| 00:00.30 | abrotman | Ca11um: it's not truly that hard .. but you should probably tell us what MTA you're using |
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| 00:01.15 | Ca11um | abrotman, postfix |
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| 00:05.48 | abrotman | Ca11um: that's pretty simple, the postfix.org has plenty of docs .. perhaps you sohuld tell us what you tried, and what doesn't owrk |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | work |
| 00:06.53 | themill | this would be the fundamental problem with tutorials too |
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| 00:57.42 | kline | hi guys, im getting hash mismatches on update for debian jessie. is this something i should be 1) concerned about 2) reporting? http://paste.debian.net/115271/ |
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| 01:00.52 | linagee | it seems to have fallen off the planet unless you had a secret archive. |
| 01:01.16 | istsehrgut | have you talked to your doctor? |
| 01:01.25 | Zharf | -.- |
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| 02:15.42 | ProfessorKaos64 | I have a retro gaming project. To take advantage of newer packages, is Testing a good thing to after or should I stay with Wheezy "stable"? |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | that depends on which packages you need? |
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| 02:16.37 | ProfessorKaos64 | mainly a lot of emulators abrotman |
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| 02:16.53 | ProfessorKaos64 | I can give you a short list if need be |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | use packages.debian.org to check versions |
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| 02:23.02 | ProfessorKaos64 | I've always used just DVD1 for installs, do other CD discs and DVD discs just have extra packages? |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:23.40 | dvs | except for firmware images |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | didn't think there was a dvd1 for the unofficial firmware imges |
| 02:24.55 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok thank you. I think I'll go with Jessie, due to many of the pkg versions being closer. I want to branch my project into Debian, as in the end I of course trust the Debian system over Ubuntu. Ubuntu was just what I happened to start making it for |
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| 02:48.28 | lanodan_pi | Hello i'm having problems with a Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit and my old RTL-8029(as) doesn't works too |
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| 02:50.47 | lanodan_pi | It's can't find the problem when I load it with networking service it says "Cannot find device eth0" "failed to bring eth0" |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | look in dmesg? |
| 02:50.59 | lanodan_pi | s/It's/I |
| 02:51.07 | lanodan_pi | Nothing too |
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| 02:51.47 | dvs | sandman13: What type if TP-LINK adater is it? |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | lanodan_pi: dmesg | grep eth |
| 02:52.25 | sandman13 | dvs: I solved it |
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| 02:52.41 | sandman13 | dvs: firmware-ralink was missing |
| 02:52.57 | lanodan_pi | abrotman: Like I said nothing |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | lanodan_pi: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 02:53.41 | sssilver_ | Hi guys |
| 02:53.47 | sssilver_ | is there a debian-offtopic? |
| 02:53.52 | dvs | yes |
| 02:53.55 | sssilver_ | Iâm curious about something debian related |
| 02:56.17 | lanodan_pi | "Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)" "RTL-8029(AS) [10ec:8029]" |
| 02:56.28 | lanodan_pi | abrotman: ^ |
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| 03:08.01 | kareem | anybody know what my lan speeds could be suffering? everything is gigabit, my internet speeds are even faster |
| 03:08.12 | kareem | i get around 11mb/s transfer from my server to my rig |
| 03:08.19 | kareem | and 12+ through the internet on my rig |
| 03:08.25 | kareem | doesn't make sense |
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| 03:10.09 | bdog7 | kareem, that sounds like 100mbps speeds |
| 03:10.53 | phy1729 | kareem: could be limited by disk speeds |
| 03:10.54 | dvs | cable? |
| 03:11.17 | kareem | bdog7, it sure does. but i've upgraded most things to support 1000 |
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| 03:11.33 | ctugt | Hi |
| 03:11.39 | kareem | phy1729, good point. i would think so, but when i first built the server, i was getting much faster speeds so it's something else |
| 03:11.48 | kareem | dvs, yes. i just switched to twc today actually from uverse |
| 03:11.49 | ctugt | (ctugt) Does somebody know how to fix black screen with Optimus intel and nvidia |
| 03:11.55 | phy1729 | kareem: try iperf |
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| 03:12.13 | dvs | kareem: I mean the network cable itself. It should be cat6 for gigabit speeds. |
| 03:12.23 | ctugt | Cat 6a |
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| 03:12.43 | ctugt | Better for length |
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| 03:13.13 | dvs | meh, I only need 10ft max |
| 03:13.27 | cendora | Hellow |
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| 03:14.40 | kareem | oh dvs, no not all are cat 6 but even cat5e should deliver faster speeds? |
| 03:14.47 | cendora | I have a question regard the kfreebsd debian |
| 03:14.55 | dvs | kareem: not necessaril |
| 03:14.55 | kareem | phy1729, i'll look into iperf, thank you |
| 03:14.57 | dvs | y |
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| 03:15.42 | kareem | dvs, the only reason i say so is because before i setup a raid0 on my drives, speeds were stellar. so i think i may have messed something up with my samba share but i'm not all that sure |
| 03:15.53 | cendora | is it suffice to use only the cd1 to install the minimal ? |
| 03:16.09 | dvs | nope |
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| 03:16.19 | dvs | cendora: netinst is the minimal install |
| 03:16.46 | dvs | cendora: and don't select the Desktop Environment option |
| 03:18.27 | cendora | ok, i mean I want to install minimal "Desktop" using cd1 of kfreebsd? |
| 03:18.40 | cendora | is that ok, or I need cd2 either ? |
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| 03:20.05 | ctugt | ? Anyone |
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| 03:27.32 | kareem | ctugt, seems like a common problem |
| 03:27.33 | kareem | https://www.google.com/search?q=black+screen+with+Optimus+intel+and+nvidia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb |
| 03:27.37 | kareem | maybe one of those threads can help you out? |
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| 03:55.29 | martianixor | hi, I have a quick question about reasons why I'm no longer able to reverse search in bash, as that history was kept between reboots |
| 03:55.36 | martianixor | it's no longer the case now |
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| 03:56.10 | martianixor | I found bashrc file intact |
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| 03:57.25 | heurist | martianixor: history does in ~/.bashhistory look there. |
| 03:57.50 | martianixor | heurist: look there for what? |
| 03:58.26 | martianixor | heurist: you meant ~/.bash_history |
| 03:58.35 | martianixor | heurist: it's empty |
| 03:58.38 | heurist | martianixor: or something like that, yeah |
| 03:59.01 | heurist | martianixor: that is why you have no search. But it is supposed to be kept. |
| 03:59.46 | martianixor | heurist: then why isn't it kept in your opinion? |
| 04:00.53 | heurist | martianixor: what does set | grep HISTFILE say? |
| 04:01.11 | martianixor | heurist: as expected 1000 |
| 04:01.24 | martianixor | heurist: as I told you bashrc was intact |
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| 04:01.58 | martianixor | heurist: you're right |
| 04:02.02 | martianixor | heurist: it's not set |
| 04:02.07 | heurist | martianixor: there should be more that that. and that is HISTFILESIZE, you should also have a HISTFILE= line |
| 04:02.10 | martianixor | heurist: I mistaken your HISTFILE for HISTSIZE |
| 04:02.21 | martianixor | :) |
| 04:02.26 | martianixor | heurist: thanks :) |
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| 04:02.59 | martianixor | heurist: Oh !!! it's actually there, I did set | grep HIST and it returned that it was set |
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| 04:03.30 | martianixor | HISTFILE=mypath/.bash_history |
| 04:04.01 | heurist | martianixor: how ling has this been going on? |
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| 04:04.18 | martianixor | heurist: 4 days may be more |
| 04:04.33 | heurist | martianixor: check permissions on .bash_history |
| 04:05.06 | martianixor | heurist: rw |
| 04:05.19 | martianixor | for root |
| 04:06.07 | heurist | martianixor: you su yourself in the foot. delete it and it should work again. |
| 04:06.25 | heurist | martianixor: unless you are root. |
| 04:07.01 | martianixor | heurist: OK but that's a workaround I need to know why |
| 04:07.30 | martianixor | heurist: I need to know why it's not working now, any suggestions on how to debug this? |
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| 04:07.49 | heurist | martianixor: you did something as root (su|sudo) with the home directory still set to the users and it made your permissions wrong. |
| 04:08.50 | martianixor | heurist: I did NOT |
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| 04:09.13 | martianixor | heurist: do you think this box might be compromized somehow ? |
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| 04:09.52 | heurist | martianixor: that is possible, hiding what was done is a common technique. |
| 04:10.22 | martianixor | any suggestions on how to investigate this? |
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| 04:12.30 | heurist | martianixor: if only a normal user was compromised then the logs should be intact. start by looking there. compare all files to backups. change your password. |
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| 04:16.28 | martianixor | heurist: thanks |
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| 04:51.14 | Budd | How can I set up /etc/config/interfaces to set up a USB dongle based on its MAC or model? |
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| 04:52.06 | Budd | I have one that's can do IBSS, and another that I want to use as an AP, and since it's a headless machine, I want it to figure out which is plugged in. |
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| 05:04.29 | cendora | Hi |
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| 05:05.00 | DanDare | Budd, you can name your adapters by mac fingerprint, giving then distinctive adapter names creating/tweaking rules at /etc/udev/rules.d//70-persistent-net-rules.conf |
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| 05:09.01 | Budd | DanDare: thanks - I was just looking into mapping in /etc/network/interfaces, but changing the name beforehand is a good option to have. |
| 05:09.31 | cendora | I have a question regarding kfreebsd? what is the default desktop ? |
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| 05:10.15 | dioz | i've come to believe that the death of that guy in that movie mrs.doubtfire was a tragedy and if any of you feel like killing yourself feel free to send me a message and we can talk about it. i want you to know that you're all very important people and even though winston churchill was a great man and i agree with his idea of eugenics i have no problem accepting your money as a donation to help rid you from your depression |
| 05:11.42 | DanDare | Budd, having each mac associated with a unique interface name (e.g. wlan22) you can add lines on interface file that will be relative just to that adapter |
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| 05:12.05 | Budd | right. |
| 05:12.13 | DanDare | but maybe i just didnt understood your question well |
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| 05:13.54 | Budd | Ideally, I want to select based on the capabilities on the WIFI dongle. The /etc/network/interfaces setup is at least event-driven, but I find the logic of it confusing. |
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| 05:14.25 | Budd | in any case, time to sleep. Thanks for the help. |
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| 06:16.19 | ftc- | anybody running 3+ monitors off a single video card? i haven't been able to get four monitors going using two video cards, so i'm looking at getting a gigabyte gtx 650 or 750 card which has four outputs. just wondering if xrandr will handle them all easily as long as they're on the same card. |
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| 06:20.16 | TJ- | ftc-: I run 4 1920x1200 off an NVS420, and a further 2 off the laptop's internal 8600M |
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| 06:22.49 | rtur | I have a deb package containing some files, but when it is installed (just on this one machine, on others it works) some of the files are missing but if I "aptitude download package" and extract it the files are there. How could I investigate why this happens ? Aptitude install doesn't report any errors. |
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| 06:26.01 | indieross | ftc-, i've got 3 monitors working with fedora 20/nvidia 331.89/gtx 750ti and 0 issues |
| 06:26.18 | indieross | no fancy config necessary |
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| 06:26.39 | indieross | gnome 3.12, everything should be just as easy on debian |
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| 06:28.08 | indieross | just install the binary driver and have the monitors plugged in |
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| 06:29.27 | indieross | my car has hdmi/displayport/dvi i have a cable for each that goes to hdmi |
| 06:29.32 | indieross | card |
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| 06:29.56 | istsehrgut | can confirm ftc- should work nice and easy |
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| 06:32.14 | ftc- | awesome, thanks guys. and are you all just using xrandr(or a gui for it) to set them up? i don't want to use xinerama, as its too slow. |
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| 06:33.33 | indieross | i used the nvidia-setting for placement but my driver drops all mention of xinerama. if it is still using it i see no slowdown whatsoever |
| 06:34.13 | indieross | i've got desktop effects and vdpau/gaming with no tearing |
| 06:34.32 | ftc- | ah yeah. i'm using debian jessie, the nvidia packages don't seem to some with nvidia-settings anymore for some reason. |
| 06:35.10 | indieross | sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings |
| 06:36.00 | indieross | i doubt i even need to touch nvidia-settings, gnome-display should work for basic display placement |
| 06:36.07 | ftc- | i only see nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx in the repos with an apt-cache search |
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| 06:36.21 | indieross | i still use nvidia-settings for digital vibrance anf fxaa enabling |
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| 06:38.15 | ftc- | does gnome-display write its own xorg.conf or something? looks like it isn't a xrandr frontend |
| 06:38.22 | ftc- | i haven't used it before, am using kde |
| 06:39.37 | ftc- | i think the kde one does runs xrandr commands |
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| 06:39.46 | indieross | gnome-display only writes to ~/.config/monitors.xml i believe |
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| 06:40.17 | ftc- | ah ok. i should give gnome 3 more of a look i spose. |
| 06:40.18 | indieross | so gdm is out of place but as soon as you login the xml file is loaded and the monitors are in the correct order |
| 06:40.30 | indieross | i'm a big fan of gnome 3 |
| 06:40.48 | indieross | absolutely hated it a first but i've grown to love it |
| 06:41.00 | ftc- | ah yeah, same with kde, first login, the login box is on the wrong screen, but if i log out it comes up on primary |
| 06:41.42 | indieross | no big deal, if i wanted to i bet i could find a fix |
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| 06:41.54 | indieross | i see my login screen for under 5 seconds a month |
| 06:41.55 | ftc- | yeah doesn't bother me |
| 06:42.59 | idioterna | but attention to details is really important when doing user interfaces |
| 06:43.23 | indieross | and i recently made the switch from debian to fedora on my desktop and it's so painless |
| 06:43.30 | indieross | i'm very happy |
| 06:43.59 | idioterna | but yes, it's the same with kdm, until you log in, the monitors don't get identified and used correcly |
| 06:44.05 | idioterna | when you log in, everything snaps into place |
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| 06:44.36 | idioterna | this makes sense, because it's all in user config |
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| 06:45.15 | ftc- | oh, turns out monitors.xml is just running xrandr. makes sense. |
| 06:46.45 | ftc- | i should have just gone and bought a card instead of wasting heaps of times trying to get two old cards working... my card is too slow for tf2 on linux anyway. |
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| 06:48.38 | indieross | and i juyst recently made the upgrade to triple monitors. i had a mid-summer xmas for myself, new 6x4GB raid-5 3x24in monitors+triple monitor vesa mount and the gtx750 |
| 06:48.38 | indieross | :D |
| 06:48.38 | indieross | 4TB* |
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| 06:49.13 | ftc- | rad |
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| 06:51.06 | ftc- | i've got 2x 24" 1920x1200 and a couple of 1280x1024 monitors. but thinking of swapping the smaller two for a 30" 2560x1600 |
| 06:51.43 | ftc- | not sure if my core2duo can handle all that screen space well enough. or is it really just up to having a decent video card? |
| 06:53.41 | ftc- | TJ-: is than 6x monitors on one computer? can you drag windows to the other video card? |
| 06:53.57 | idioterna | no idea, i have a single cheap 1920x1200 screen on my laptop and i turn off the laptop's screen because it's broken :) |
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| 06:54.53 | TJ- | ftc-: Without 3D acceleration yes, but I use them as separate X sessions to keep unrelated work separate. Ensures I don't accidentally type commands for one server into the terminal window of another |
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| 06:56.25 | indieross | all the monitors need to be connected via a digital cable to work with 3+ |
| 06:56.29 | ftc- | TJ-: fair enough. i typed "reboot" into the wrong server at work once. shut down the accounting server, but didn't get any complaints luckily, heh. |
| 06:56.44 | indieross | you cannot have an analog monitor attached |
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| 06:59.03 | ftc- | indieross: do you know where that limitation comes from? i was actually hoping to run my 3rd vga-only-monitor using a convertor on a dvi-i port... so i guess that still counts as analog. |
| 07:00.03 | ftc- | xrandr is fine with 1x dvi and 1x vga, but that's only 2 monitors obviously |
| 07:01.23 | indieross | i remember a while ago talking with an nvidia rep saying something along the lines of that |
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| 07:01.39 | TJ- | ftc-: good job it wasn't pay-day :) |
| 07:02.03 | indieross | http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/3d-vision-surround-requirements-uk.html |
| 07:02.16 | ftc- | TJ-: haha yep |
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| 07:03.35 | indieross | what that link leads me to believe is that if you wan 3d acceleration on all monitors they need to be digital |
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| 07:05.33 | indieross | and i'd play it safe and make sure all the monitors have the same resolution |
| 07:05.48 | ftc- | is that just for games etc though? does 3d accel apply for normal desktop usage? when i play games i just use the primary monitor |
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| 07:06.42 | indieross | by default kde and gnome are 3d accelerated. without it the user experience will probably suck |
| 07:06.48 | bitgeek | `/quit |
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| 07:07.34 | ftc- | ah ok |
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| 07:45.51 | sekil | hello |
| 07:46.09 | linkie | hello sekil |
| 07:46.23 | sekil | I'm using pxe/tftp and vnc during install to install my redhat/centos machines...is it possible to start vnc or ssh server during debian install? |
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| 07:46.51 | pduersteler | How does one restore /usr/bin/env if it got all messed up? "Someone" got the ln syntax wrong and used the -f flag.. |
| 07:47.02 | pduersteler | now it's a symlink circle |
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| 07:48.13 | heurist | pduersteler: reinstall coreutils |
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| 07:49.26 | linkie | sekil: do you have access to the machine you set up to start sshd? A quick google-fu turned up this, http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/ it seems the stuff is there |
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| 07:51.08 | pduersteler | heurist: thx! |
| 07:51.36 | __marco | Hello. How can I find all the packages that offers an alternative in /etc/alternatives/? |
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| 07:52.05 | __marco | for example all the packages that offer /usr/bin/qemu throught /etc/alternatives/qemu? |
| 07:52.25 | heurist | __marco: dpkg -S $file or apt-file search $file |
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| 07:53.01 | linkie | I have a small embedded box (an old arm-based Linkstation NAS) with Debian on it. It has four partitions: boot, root, swap, data. As soon as I make the fourth, data-partition too big, the machine doesn't boot up any more. 265000 Mb works, 300000 Mb fails. I do nothing else than plugging the HDD in my workstation and enlarging the last partition via gparted. I don't touch anything else. Any ideas what could cause this? |
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| 07:53.23 | __marco | heurist: apt-file does not report anything |
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| 07:53.30 | sekil | linkie: it implies booting from cd not pxe kernel |
| 07:53.32 | formorer | linkie: missing gpt partition table? |
| 07:53.39 | heurist | __marco: update-alternatives --list qemu |
| 07:53.44 | sekil | maybe there is an option to pass for expert mode |
| 07:53.45 | cerebro | crap firmware? |
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| 07:54.03 | linkie | Especially that border, between 265000 and 300000 Mb, puzzles me.. 128 Gb would hint to 32 bit vs 48 bit LBA issues.. |
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| 07:54.20 | formorer | forget what I said, I was at 3tb |
| 07:54.54 | linkie | formorer: I am sure that old box can't even understand GPT tables.. |
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| 07:55.07 | babilen | sekil: It is, you can use https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#network-console |
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| 07:56.19 | linkie | Now the strange part: I am sure I already had exactly the same HDD (a 1tb drive, 512b sectors) running some time before.. |
| 07:57.07 | sekil | babilen: what is the command to use on pxe boot to enable ssh? |
| 07:57.15 | babilen | sekil: You can combine that with <preeseeding> to get the box up to that point -- /msg dpkg preseeding |
| 07:57.31 | linkie | I "installed" the current Debian via dd'ing from a smaller (32gb SSD) drive.. Maybe I messed up something like the partition table, or mbr, or some other low-level addressing thingie? |
| 07:57.57 | babilen | sekil: You have to load the installer component. I've never done the combination (we either completely preseed an installation or perform it manually), but it shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 07:58.42 | babilen | sekil: Just take a look at the example preseed file. It has an entire section on "### Network console" |
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| 07:58.58 | sekil | babilen: there should be an argument to pxe kernel boot of debian's to get into that option...cause it's not offered on my pxe installs |
| 07:59.23 | babilen | sekil: It is configured via preseeding |
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| 08:00.01 | babilen | sekil: And with PXE installations you can still choose expert and load additional installer components, can't you? |
| 08:00.04 | sekil | babilen: preseeding is like kickstart it seems...I just want an option to go to vnc or ssh like redhat anaconda has |
| 08:00.13 | sekil | babilen: no that's the point |
| 08:00.25 | sekil | babilen: or maybe I can..I just don't know how |
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| 08:00.37 | babilen | I'm sure you can - you just start the installer and use "expert" and not "install" |
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| 08:01.07 | sekil | babilen: there's not such an option |
| 08:01.21 | babilen | Or rather you start the installer like that. Sorry, I can't boot of our PXE infrastructure right now to do that, but I've done this before. |
| 08:03.00 | linkie | Are there any other "low level" differences between HDDs? "32 bit addressing" vs "48 bit addressing", "msdos partition table" vs "GPT partition table", "512b sectors" vs "4k sectors"? I don't think any of those three are the issue here. But it must be some lower-than-filesystem issue.. |
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| 08:03.30 | babilen | sekil: One second - I've done this multiple times before, but can't quite recall the exact details as it's been a while. |
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| 08:09.45 | junka | how can i make my debian more secure? is there any guide? |
| 08:10.11 | heurist | dpkg: tell junka -about hardening |
| 08:10.19 | babilen | sekil: "append priority=low" -- but those are part of netboot.tar.gz already |
| 08:10.37 | linkie | I'll be damned.. I excluded the large partition in fstab, now it boots up with a 300000 Mb partition! |
| 08:10.52 | jelly-home | 300000Mb? |
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| 08:11.11 | jelly-home | 300GB? |
| 08:11.29 | babilen | sekil: See, for example, debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/adtxt.cfg which is included in debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/menu.cfg |
| 08:11.30 | linkie | jelly-home: yes, 258.79 GiB |
| 08:11.50 | linkie | at 300000 Mb, 292.97 GiB it failed to boot when it is in the fstab |
| 08:12.27 | babilen | sekil: That gives you a normal boot menu where you can choose expert. I have no idea how *you* configured your PXE boot infrastructure so you might want to elaborate on that. |
| 08:12.44 | sekil | babilen: my pxe server is on centos...don't have netboot here...I can't remember where I got the initrd and vmlinuz to start debian from |
| 08:13.14 | sekil | babilen: where in iso image is netboot? |
| 08:13.47 | babilen | sekil: It doesn't matter what OS you run it on and CentOS is as good as any, but you should still configure it as documented in the installation guide: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall + https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05 |
| 08:13.53 | linkie | mounting the large partition manually via 'mount' works, with no errors.. I don't get this.. Does the UUID change when changing the size of a partition? |
| 08:14.19 | babilen | sekil: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot (but just read the wiki and installation guide) |
| 08:14.21 | sekil | babilen: yeah let me check this link |
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| 08:15.07 | babilen | sekil: I mean it shouldn't surprise you that the "standard" behaviour is not there if you macgyver something yourself ;) |
| 08:15.33 | sekil | babilen: it doesn't ...I'm not spoiled..I'm just having hard time finding information |
| 08:15.40 | babilen | fwiw, it looks as if all you have to do is to "append priority=low ...", but then you might like to use a bit more of a "normal" setup |
| 08:15.41 | sekil | babilen: let me download netboot |
| 08:16.09 | babilen | I couldn't stop you even if I wanted to ;) |
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| 08:17.00 | sekil | babilen: ok..got it ..lemme check the menu.cfg now |
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| 08:18.24 | zatricky | Hey all - looking for some assistance re aacraid. Is this the right place or is there a better channel for discussing that? |
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| 08:18.46 | zatricky | Basically, added two disks to a server and they've popped up as "raw (Pass through)" |
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| 08:19.36 | sekil | babilen: hm..what you said |
| 08:19.41 | misterli | Hello, how can i make sure that my /var/www does not use rootfs? It looks like that rootfs is full. and i have no idea why.. http://pastebin.com/PK6fZ8VF |
| 08:19.44 | sekil | babilen: priority low |
| 08:19.53 | sekil | babilen: lemme try to put when booting |
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| 08:23.00 | zatricky | Ooh - answered my own question: arcconf TASK START 1 DEVICE <channel> <id> initialize |
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| 08:24.50 | sekil | babilen: good I'm in expert mode now.. |
| 08:25.36 | babilen | \o/ |
| 08:26.27 | sekil | babilen: no ssh option here though |
| 08:26.56 | sekil | I can go into the busybox |
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| 08:31.00 | heurist | misterli: everything there is on rootfs (except /boot) |
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| 08:35.06 | sekil | babilen: got it..thanks very much for your help..I appreciate it |
| 08:35.24 | sekil | babilen: append priority medium also does the trick |
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| 08:40.05 | babilen | sekil: Okay, wonderful. Sorry, it's just that I don't do this every day and we based our configuration on the standard one in netboot.tar.gz -- It's just that I remembered the "expert" entry in the boot menu, but wasn't sure how it was implemented exactly. As you don't seem to use anything from netboot.tar.gz, but wrote your own configuration you did not have that option ;) |
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| 08:40.42 | junka | does debian use shadow passwords? |
| 08:41.03 | babilen | If you configure it that way, yeah .. sure |
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| 08:42.18 | junka | should i use apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 08:42.46 | Lope | I've installed linux on a USB 3 hard drive. When I boot it on my old i5 laptop, I see errors during boot, but it will boot up okay the first time. But when I try reboot it fails to boot. Then when I run fsck there are a few errors. This happens for every boot. But if I boot linux on my i7 laptop with a USB3 port, I can reboot 5x without any errors occurring. Is there any way I can get the hard drive to play nice on USB2? |
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| 08:43.19 | cynicallemon | junka: you could use dpkg too :) |
| 08:43.23 | babilen | junka: You should use the appropriate tool for whatever it is you are currently doing. I typically use apt-* for everyday tasks and aptitude when i need its special features (e.g. interactive resolver, search capabilities, ...) |
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| 08:44.46 | junka | ok what about updating/upgrading is there a difference between the two? |
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| 08:46.31 | tsam | Hi guys. |
| 08:46.44 | tsam | I'm confused about this documentation: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 08:46.51 | tsam | # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 08:46.53 | n2diy | junka, you could even use Synaptic. |
| 08:47.03 | tsam | Shouldn't it be dd, instead of cp? |
| 08:47.41 | cynicallemon | n2diy: yeah but thats just a front-end |
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| 08:48.44 | n2diy | cynicallemon, yes, and one that works too! :) |
| 08:48.51 | heurist | tsam: cp is fine, just do a sync before you unplug the usb |
| 08:48.58 | themill | tsam: cp works just fine and has a much simpler syntax |
| 08:49.10 | cynicallemon | n2diy: not on a headless server :) |
| 08:49.35 | cynicallemon | n2diy: but yes, its works and i use it a lot on my desktop |
| 08:49.39 | themill | (you need to 'sync' no matter what you do) |
| 08:50.09 | n2diy | cynicallemon, if X was installed on the server it could work? |
| 08:50.41 | sekil | babilen: I loaded the network console component and now I have what I need |
| 08:50.52 | cynicallemon | n2diy: servers dont tend to have x installed |
| 08:51.12 | cynicallemon | n2diy: but yes it would work |
| 08:51.13 | n2diy | cynicallemon, 10-4, but... |
| 08:51.49 | tsam | Oh, right, cool. Didn't think we could use cp. Even though I mv'ed to /dev/null when I was younger >_< |
| 08:52.28 | heurist | tsam: you can even use cat if you want, it is all just moving bits around. |
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| 08:53.43 | tsam | I see. :) |
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| 08:54.31 | junka | is it ok to use Bastille Linux? |
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| 08:56.07 | jelly | !bastille |
| 08:56.07 | dpkg | Bastille Unix is an interactive hardening script for the Linux operating system. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #524599. http://www.bastille-unix.org/ See also <security> and <securing debian>. |
| 08:56.18 | babilen | heh |
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| 08:59.09 | jelly | the web page looks abandoned and reused by a .jp link spammer |
| 09:00.01 | babilen | junka: You might interpret that as "No" |
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| 09:00.32 | jelly | however, bastille-linux.org.sf.net news says: "January 29th, 2012: We are starting back up with active development! Stay tuned for news!" |
| 09:01.04 | junka | hmm security docs are pretty old, the mention Debian 3 lol |
| 09:01.09 | junka | they* |
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| 09:05.18 | arcsky | anyone know how i can use TLSv3 with lftp? |
| 09:05.20 | jelly | junka: it hasn't been updated since at least 2012. |
| 09:05.35 | jelly | "would not recommend" |
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| 09:06.19 | junka | is there a n automatically detection tool for vulnerabilities? |
| 09:06.59 | jelly | metasploit? |
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| 09:07.38 | junka | dpkg, says its not in debian |
| 09:07.39 | dpkg | junka: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 09:09.32 | heurist | junka: you can install metasploit from the kali-linux repos, kali is based on debian and adds all the security tools on top. but do not expect too much help here if you start mixing repos. |
| 09:10.43 | junka | i prefer not too |
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| 09:23.03 | Lope | my USB3 hard drive works fine on my laptop with a USB3 port but corrupts data on old laptop with USB2 port. If I disable writeback caching will it solve this problem on USB2? |
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| 09:37.32 | junka | how can i downgrade a package from backports? |
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| 09:39.45 | SynrGy | junka: apt-get install packagename=version |
| 09:39.52 | SynrGy | where 'version' is the version from stable |
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| 09:42.56 | junka | SynrGy, what about the preferences i did? |
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| 09:44.30 | babilen | junka: Which preferences did you do? (and what does that mean?) |
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| 09:45.24 | junka | i changed some options from the preferences of the app |
| 09:45.47 | babilen | Which app (program?) and what did you change? |
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| 09:46.22 | heurist | junka: you may need to purge and reinstall the program, unless you know the options are compatible with the old version. |
| 09:46.40 | junka | babilen, vlc, locale, no osd, hardware acceleration |
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| 09:51.19 | babilen | junka: Where did you change that? |
| 09:51.57 | junka | babilen, from vlc's preferences |
| 09:52.43 | babilen | Ah, you refer to VLC's preferences which is the package you want to downgrade! |
| 09:53.02 | junka | yes, for some reason i had no sound |
| 09:53.10 | babilen | Why do you want to downgrade it if I may ask? |
| 09:53.39 | heurist | junka: if the old version of vlc gives issues then delete the vlc config files and start again. if it does not object to the settings then you can leave them |
| 09:53.49 | babilen | See heurist's comment, but you might want to fix the actual problem you have |
| 09:54.21 | junka | no the stable vlc had no issues |
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| 10:04.01 | junka | let's say i install x package and x installs y as a recommended package but y has a dependency lets say y1. if i remove x, x and it's dependencies will be removed but not all y packages will be removed and y1 unlikely so |
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| 10:05.21 | junka | so how do i remove the exact packages i installed? is it a limitation of APT? |
| 10:06.01 | SynrGy | aptitude why might shed light on this |
| 10:06.13 | SynrGy | it's not possible to adequately cover the topic in the abstract |
| 10:06.32 | SynrGy | there's some reason the packages remain. you're just unware yet of what the reason is |
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| 10:07.25 | bdog7 | apt-get autoremove? |
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| 10:08.27 | SynrGy | i read "if i remove x, x and its dependencies will be removed" as he's using aptitude to do the removal |
| 10:08.28 | heurist | junka: aptitude search ~i~M will show you all packages that are auto-installed and would be removed if their dependencies are removed |
| 10:08.32 | SynrGy | which handles autoremovals |
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| 10:09.04 | junka | no i use apt-get usually |
| 10:09.05 | SynrGy | maybe i'm wrong? certainly apt-get remove doesn't do the "and its dependencies" part |
| 10:09.07 | tdn | I experience very slow eSATA performance. Around 5 mb/s on a disk that easily handles 150-200 mb/s. Do I need to enable some setting or module in order to speed it up? The disk is a 4 TB Lacie disk and the computer is an HP MicroServer. Kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64. |
| 10:09.18 | junka | maybe that's why |
| 10:09.23 | SynrGy | junka: then what's this about "and its dependencies"? apt-get remove only removes the package |
| 10:09.27 | SynrGy | so i think you're wrong about that. |
| 10:09.35 | SynrGy | apt-get autoremove removes candidates for autoremoval |
| 10:10.27 | cynicallemon | any orphaned packages can be dealt with by deborphan |
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| 10:10.29 | junka | SynrGy, it was bdog7 who suggested this |
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| 10:10.55 | SynrGy | yes. and i would've too if i had known you weren't using aptitude |
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| 10:12.19 | junka | so if a package remains, there is a reason even though that package was not there before the installation of the package that installed it |
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| 10:12.58 | SynrGy | i think there may be corner cases where things are left behind, such as w also recommends y, but you installed w without recommends, you subsequently install x which pulls in y as a recommends, then remove x. |
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| 10:13.08 | heurist | junka: aptitude why <package> will tell you why it is still installed. |
| 10:13.13 | SynrGy | yep |
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| 10:14.02 | heurist | junka: apt-cache rdepends <package> will too I think, with a different output. |
| 10:14.34 | SynrGy | that would show *possible* reasons why |
| 10:14.43 | SynrGy | not all of which may apply to the current state of your system |
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| 10:16.58 | junka | yes interesting command line |
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| 10:22.14 | junka | https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html hmm the website recommends the backports, what should i do? |
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| 10:23.45 | SynrGy | !wheezy-backports |
| 10:23.45 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 10:23.46 | SynrGy | that |
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| 10:24.00 | SynrGy | ,v vlc |
| 10:24.01 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.5-1; sid: 2.1.5-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: |
| 10:24.03 | judd | 1:2.1.5-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.5-dmo1 |
| 10:24.23 | SynrGy | junka: and then exactly as that page says |
| 10:24.49 | SynrGy | in fact, it links directly to correct instructions to adding wheezy-backports, so i'm not sure why you ask what to do :) |
| 10:25.20 | junka | SynrGy, sorry my question was not about how to install it |
| 10:25.32 | SynrGy | worried those instructions are not trustworthy? |
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| 10:25.44 | junka | but what should i use, debian stable vlc or vlc from backports |
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| 10:25.55 | Sevet | they are |
| 10:26.04 | SynrGy | what would you prefer to do? what they recommend, or what they don't recommend? |
| 10:26.15 | Sevet | backports is an official debian repository |
| 10:26.19 | SynrGy | backports are supported here. they're part of the debian infrastructre. |
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| 10:27.34 | junka | ok, can a media player have security vulnerabilities? |
| 10:27.49 | SynrGy | anything can have security vulnerabilities |
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| 10:28.24 | SynrGy | judge for yourself whether that poses a sufficient risk for your use case to worry overly much about |
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| 10:29.48 | SynrGy | if you're paranoid, yes, use the version from stable. if you find it's adequate, i guess that's your answer. |
| 10:30.18 | SynrGy | i guess upstream wants you using the backports version because they would prefer you have the latest bug fixes & features |
| 10:30.30 | Sevet | even the version in stable'll still be subject to vulnerabilities |
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| 10:30.49 | Sevet | stable gets security updates, bdo not as quickly but will probably work their way in after a while. neither help with 0day |
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| 10:31.30 | junka | i see |
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| 10:31.47 | junka | where can i see why vlc was patched? |
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| 10:31.57 | Sevet | as long as you're not watching videos downloaded from dodgy sites you'll be fine with either version |
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| 10:32.22 | Sevet | read the package's changelog |
| 10:32.57 | junka | Sevet, is youtube a dodgy site? |
| 10:33.18 | SynrGy | also, see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/vlc ... you can see that vlc is being kept reasonably up-to-date with new releases in testing. |
| 10:33.41 | SynrGy | if the recent past is a good indicator, vlc will likely continue to be well-maintained in backports |
| 10:33.55 | Sevet | i'd say no, google do various processing on the videos that should remove anything aimed at triggering buffer overflows |
| 10:34.15 | Sevet | you don't watch the same file that was originally uploaded |
| 10:34.36 | Sevet | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vlc - you can view changelogs on there |
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| 10:39.24 | junka | Sevet, thanks |
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| 10:40.48 | xiol | Hi guys, I've installed systemd from backports on Wheezy, but I've hit bug 733232 which required lvm2 from unstable. I've rebuilt the lvm2 package for wheezy but it all feels a bit hacky, so I'd like to just revert to sysv for the time being. sysvinit is still installed, so if I remove the systemd-sysv package will that revert the changes and allow me to boot using sysv? |
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| 10:42.25 | ksk | I would expect that ;) there was some thing in the grub commandline one needed to set to boot with systemd some time ago - maybe one needs to remove it? on the other hand the package system may do that.. did you google already? id think debian has some docs on that topic |
| 10:45.59 | xiol | Yeah, it boots fine with the later lvm2 package installed, but without that it hangs waiting on LVM mounts to become available. looks like bugs 719738 and 718190 are related too |
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| 10:47.48 | xiol | I'll just roll back to sysv for now. Once jessie enters feature freeze I'll jump over ;) |
| 10:50.01 | babilen | xiol: You will also have to install sysvinit-core as that was probably removed when you pulled in systemd-sysv |
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| 10:50.51 | xiol | babilen: will do, thanks. don't have physical access to the box at present so not risking a reboot just yet! |
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| 10:51.35 | dawid_ | hello |
| 10:53.02 | babilen | xiol: But it works fine apart from being "hacky" ? |
| 10:53.12 | dawid_ | I have a problem with CPU and RAM memory usage, it's all time 60-100% |
| 10:53.37 | babilen | dawid_: Install and run "htop" and let us know what responsible for that |
| 10:56.35 | xiol | babilen: yeah, but this is a fresh install and i could do with not adding complexities like custom built packages right at the start! ;) having trouble reinstalling sysvinit-core, saying no installation candidate |
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| 10:57.39 | babilen | Sure, I was just trying to make sure that I understand it correctly. I guess it would be a perfectly valid setup if an official lvm2 backport made it into the archive |
| 10:59.10 | xiol | yeah, i'd be much happier if lvm2 was available through wheezy-backports |
| 10:59.58 | dawid_ | one moment pls, my pc is soooooooo slow |
| 11:02.04 | dawid_ | http://postimg.org/image/gir47f1lr/ |
| 11:02.15 | dawid_ | here is screenshot |
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| 11:02.50 | babilen | dawid_: Looks as if you installed boinc and run it. |
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| 11:04.22 | babilen | You might want to consider stopping that and to configure it in such a way that it doesn't bring your box to its knees |
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| 11:06.02 | dawid_ | I must simply delete it? I was thinking that when i didnt see any icon of BOINC on Tray, that isnt working |
| 11:06.20 | bdog7 | its working |
| 11:06.34 | Hamish_B | Hi, I'm trying to figure reverse dependencies for a virtual package. 'apt-cache rdepends <pkg name>' just comes back with the virtual package name in "<name>". any tips? |
| 11:06.55 | dawid_ | ok, thank you, but i have the second question |
| 11:07.03 | SynrGy | Hamish_B: i think you want -r |
| 11:07.28 | bdog7 | dawid_, kill -9 31223 |
| 11:07.35 | SynrGy | rdepends means 'recursive depends', not 'reverse depends'. |
| 11:07.43 | bdog7 | dawid_, kill -9 31046 |
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| 11:08.29 | Hamish_B | -r not understood, --recurse just comes back with the same thing |
| 11:08.31 | dawid_ | ok thank you |
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| 11:09.24 | Hamish_B | 'apt-get uninstall' the binary package tells me what it will remove though :) |
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| 11:09.41 | SynrGy | Hamish_B: reading fail on my part |
| 11:09.49 | SynrGy | apt-rdepends is what i was thinking of |
| 11:11.05 | SynrGy | Hamish_B: e.g. apt-rdepends -r apache works for me (apache is virtual) |
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| 11:12.03 | dawid_ | i have a problem with iceweasel too, it`s time to time suddenly switch off |
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| 11:14.16 | dawid_ | ok thank you |
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| 11:16.21 | junka | omg deluge crashed too after all |
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| 11:20.18 | ikonia | I'm doing a test on wheezy adding a bridge device to a bonded network, for the test I've the bridge interface set to dhcp and then just "bridge_ports bond0" so that it bridges to the bond0 interface |
| 11:20.34 | ikonia | I've done this 10 times before without issue |
| 11:20.52 | ikonia | when the box comes up/I restart networking I get "can't add bond0 to bridge br522 invalid argument" |
| 11:21.05 | ikonia | as if the option bridge_ports bond0 is invalid ?? |
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| 11:21.16 | ikonia | what am I missing ? |
| 11:21.21 | OpenTokix | ikonia: install bridge_utils |
| 11:22.14 | Sevet | is bond0 up yet when it tries the bridge? |
| 11:22.20 | kostiak | so I'm trying to run a debian webserver inside virtual box. I can connect to it from inside the network but connection times out from outside |
| 11:22.24 | kostiak | any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 11:22.32 | Sevet | could try adding removing it with the up/down hooks |
| 11:22.39 | ikonia | OpenTokix: already there |
| 11:22.42 | ikonia | Sevet: bond0 is up |
| 11:23.11 | tm | is in debian testing enabled by default systemd? |
| 11:24.26 | Hamish_B | SynrGy, thanks. trying apt-rdepends. |
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| 11:29.09 | ochiottes | could anyone tell me why i can't view this html in iceweasel? flashplugin is installed but i get no output at all. http://pastebin.com/YPXQBeHb |
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| 11:32.41 | OpenTokix | ochiottes: javascript is disabled by default |
| 11:33.12 | gr33n7007h | ochiottes, I can't view it in google chrome, iceweasel or opera |
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| 11:36.59 | babilen | ochiottes: That isn't much of a Debian support question now, is it? |
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| 11:38.54 | ochiottes | babilen: maybe i'm missing a plugin, so that the content can't be displayed |
| 11:38.57 | jelly | if someone wanted to create a source package around an existing (closed source) .jar file and shell wrapper for /usr/bin, where would they best ask? |
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| 11:39.42 | themill | jelly: #d-java tends to be pretty dead. It's a "copy two files into a package" question for #d-mentors |
| 11:40.25 | jelly | themill: yes it's copy-two-files, but I hesitated to point them to mentors because closed source |
| 11:40.33 | petern_ | What can I use to lockout a user account after failed login attempts? |
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| 11:40.52 | jelly | and its destined for upload to ubuntu software center, not debian non-free |
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| 11:41.17 | themill | jelly: perhaps it can head into non-free? |
| 11:41.28 | petern_ | Oh, pam_tally2. Didn't realise it's installed by default. |
| 11:41.37 | jelly | themill: non-free doesn't give them $10 a month ;-) |
| 11:41.42 | themill | ah |
| 11:41.46 | themill | ubuntu-only stuff is presumably a #ubuntu-devel or similar |
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| 11:46.15 | dawid | hell0 i`m back |
| 11:46.31 | dawid | i have a problem with multi card reader |
| 11:46.56 | babilen | dpkg: problem |
| 11:46.56 | dpkg | well, problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 11:47.01 | babilen | dawid: ^^ |
| 11:47.06 | dawid | i have a reader in computer case (2.5) |
| 11:47.36 | dawid | and it isnt working, only usb port works |
| 11:48.28 | dawid | i dont know what is the model, i only know that is connected to motherboard via USB |
| 11:48.59 | dawid | thats 5in1 model |
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| 11:50.26 | dawid | http://paste.debian.net/115331/ ->lsusb |
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| 11:51.23 | dawid | http://paste.debian.net/115333/ ->lspci |
| 11:51.59 | dawid | motherboard is gigabyte ga-ma 770-ds3 |
| 11:52.37 | dawid | what i should next check? |
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| 11:56.02 | flip214 | help for pinning, please. my default is to use testing; but for a few packages I'd like to get unstable, and for others even experimental, packages, if they are available. |
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| 11:56.51 | flip214 | I've written "Package: ...", "Pin: release a=unstable", "Pin-Priority: 300", and tested with various priorities ... |
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| 11:57.40 | flip214 | but "apt-cache policy" just gives the same pin-priority for the /var/lib/dpkg/status "version", and so the preference isn't taken. |
| 11:57.53 | flip214 | help, pleasE? |
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| 12:02.10 | ChrisH | dawid: Is there any storage card inserted? |
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| 12:05.42 | jelly | flip214: first read /msg dpkg tum, if you haven't already. Starting from there, packages from unstable will have priority set to 500 by default so giving them less than that won't actually make them a better candidate |
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| 12:06.00 | jelly | oh, |
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| 12:06.06 | jelly | !tell flip214 about debian-next |
| 12:06.50 | jelly | #debian-next on irc.debian.org is a better place to ask about testing |
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| 12:07.30 | dawid | ChrisH not now |
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| 12:07.45 | ChrisH | dawid: then you will not see anything. |
| 12:07.46 | rfreeman_w | hi, how to fully reinstall grub and all |
| 12:07.52 | rfreeman_w | after partition /boot was formated |
| 12:08.12 | rfreeman_w | grub-setup called from grub-install says there is no such disk /dev/sda, while there is... |
| 12:08.26 | dawid | ok now i have sd card inserted |
| 12:09.07 | ChrisH | dawid: use dmesg to see whats happening |
| 12:09.12 | dawid | lsusb command is the same as before |
| 12:09.31 | dawid | dmsg? now, when is inserted? |
| 12:09.33 | flip214 | jelly: thanks, will ask there. I tried up to 991, BTW. |
| 12:09.38 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, is there a better command than 'file'? it returns inaccurate results :/ |
| 12:09.43 | ChrisH | dawid: yes |
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| 12:10.40 | jelly | flip214: 991 should have worked, if everything else is sane |
| 12:10.58 | jelly | doesn't think pinning is a sane feature at all |
| 12:11.06 | dawid | http://paste.debian.net/115335/ |
| 12:11.28 | dawid | new device detected |
| 12:11.33 | OpenTokix | jelly: apt-pinning? |
| 12:11.58 | jelly | OpenTokix: is there any other kind in the context of this channel? |
| 12:12.23 | heurist | rfreeman_w: it is not only grub that lives in /boot though, you will also need to (re)install your kernel |
| 12:12.29 | OpenTokix | jelly: Maybe some new pintrest applikation in jessie - I doint know ;) |
| 12:12.44 | OpenTokix | jelly: There is some usecases for pining, but they are few and far apart |
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| 12:12.59 | rfreeman_w | heurist, yeah the kerenel is there, but how to recreate grub/mbr |
| 12:13.29 | ChrisH | dawid: which line? |
| 12:13.41 | heurist | what command are you running (exactly). |
| 12:14.00 | dawid | 492 |
| 12:14.10 | dawid | +/- |
| 12:14.39 | ChrisH | dawid: thats a mouse |
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| 12:14.41 | heurist | rfreeman_w: what command are you running (exactly). |
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| 12:17.07 | rfreeman_w | heudebeu, the problem seems to be that grub-probe can not understand LVM disk format |
| 12:17.47 | heurist | rfreeman_w: is /boot on lvm? that will not work. |
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| 12:18.35 | dawid | http://paste.debian.net/115339/ now in this reader are pendrive and this sdcard |
| 12:18.53 | ChrisH | dawid: should look like this http://paste.debian.net/115340/ |
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| 12:19.48 | dawid | and pendrive was for gnome detected, but card still not |
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| 12:20.38 | ChrisH | dawid: it should look that way for the storage card, too. Looks like something with the HW is strange. see lines 19-22 1, 3-6 |
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| 12:22.35 | dawid | i am confident that this reader (hardware) works, but i think it havent drivers for memory card |
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| 12:24.09 | dawid | I have another with usb too, when i suspend my pc, and wake it up, then TimE to TimE usb mouse isnt working |
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| 12:25.13 | dawid | i must suspend and wake up pc again to make mouse working fibe |
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| 12:28.00 | ChrisH | dawid: Linux Kernel has modules to handle usb-storage. see lines 23- of your last paste. The other card reader does not inform the kernel about anything usb-storage'ish was inserted. I have some card readers which only work if insert the card into the reader and AFTER that plug the reader into the PC. |
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| 12:30.17 | dawid | hmm... you say that this reader cannot working with linux? |
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| 12:31.28 | dawid | ChrisH: but, when i have had Ubuntu on this PC, then this card reader was working fine without problems |
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| 12:34.23 | ChrisH | same kernel version on both installations, dawid ? |
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| 12:35.43 | dawid | i think np, now i have kernel from debian 7.5, and the latest ubuntu that i used is 12.04 |
| 12:35.48 | dawid | or12.10 |
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| 12:37.53 | rfreeman_w | heudebeu, http://p.suchdig.com/p/nzu.txt |
| 12:38.04 | dawid | now i have 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 12:38.11 | rfreeman_w | heudebeu, no /boot is on sda1. this system worked untill /boot died (well the raid part with /boot died) |
| 12:38.25 | rfreeman_w | heurist, sorry ^ |
| 12:38.45 | junka | anyone using vlc from backports? |
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| 12:40.28 | heurist | rfreeman_w: should it not be grub-install /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 ? try delete /boot/grub/device.map in case the --recheck is borking on that. |
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| 12:40.43 | junka | thanks Sevet! :) ok i installed vlc from wheezy-backports but i have no sound |
| 12:40.44 | rfreeman_w | heurist, both sda and sda1 give same result |
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| 12:41.49 | rfreeman_w | heurist, deleting map does not help |
| 12:41.51 | rfreeman_w | same result |
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| 12:43.15 | heurist | rfreeman_w: and /dev/mapper/vg_iris-lv_root exists? what is the output of ls /dev/mapper/ ? |
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| 12:44.56 | marek2 | ls /dev/mapper/ |
| 12:44.57 | marek2 | control md0-crypt vg_iris-lv_home vg_iris-lv_root vg_iris-lv_usr |
| 12:45.46 | marek2 | /dev/mapper/vg_iris-lv_root: symbolic link to `../dm-1' |
| 12:46.02 | marek2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.02 | marek2 | /dev/mapper/../dm-1: block special |
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| 12:46.53 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
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| 12:47.13 | Almtesh | I'm looking for a VNC viewer. |
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| 12:48.57 | Almtesh | I use the XFCE desktop. |
| 12:48.58 | heurist | rfreeman_w: not sure if it will help, but I would think about purging and reinstalling grub at this point. |
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| 12:49.38 | Almtesh | On xvnc4viewer, I have a dot and on xtightvncviewer, the keyboard is no grabbed. |
| 12:51.08 | rfreeman_w | heurist, id that.. imo there is some bug in that grub-probe tools... maybe more so when used from chroot |
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| 12:53.40 | heurist | rfreeman_w: sounds like it. maybe make the livecd you are using "boot from local hard drive" or manually enter the correct grub lines to boot your real system and try grub-install from the real system ? |
| 12:53.50 | marek2 | mount: special device UUID=19d0254a-3fe1-4c8b-9ff5-71fe61279905 does not exist |
| 12:53.50 | marek2 | dpkg: error processing lilo (--configure): |
| 12:53.50 | dpkg | marek2: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:53.54 | marek2 | where from it takes that uuid.. |
| 12:54.13 | heurist | marek2: /etc/fstab probably |
| 12:54.56 | marek2 | UUID=19d0254a-3fe1-4c8b-9ff5-71fe61279905 /boot |
| 12:55.11 | marek2 | :o you... sneaky little democrat, here you hidden! |
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| 13:09.45 | rfreeman_w | heudebeu, nothing helps.. and lilo and syslinux do not install either |
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| 13:22.15 | Oabtomae1 | cool: http://tinylinks.co/yY0y |
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| 13:23.49 | rfreeman_w | with debian raid can you tell initramfs to ignore the fact that raid is degraded (1/2 mirror) and just move on |
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| 13:38.08 | petern_ | I know rsyslog can send alerts on specific syslog messages. Can it also trigger alerts for if it *does* receive a message? |
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| 13:38.15 | petern_ | errr.. *doesn't* useful highlightly |
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| 13:40.00 | petern_ | I guess I can perhaps monitor the logging directory. Hmm. |
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| 13:41.21 | jelly | petern_: how will it know it was supposed to receive one, or do you want it to send alerts all the time? :-) |
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| 13:51.28 | petern_ | jelly, yes, it needs to be after a time period without any events. |
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| 13:52.14 | petern_ | jelly, I guess I will probably have to write a script to check the log file timestamps instead, and do my own alert. |
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| 13:53.32 | jelly | a watchdog of a sorts |
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| 14:17.01 | jelly | touch a timestamp with rsyslog and only check the timestamp's fresh enough I guess |
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| 14:33.05 | niluje | if anyone has a few minutes to make a quick review: https://github.com/brmzkw/the-ultimate-ps-utility |
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| 14:34.29 | vasile | I just did a fresh install of testing and apt-get is warning me about packages that cannot be authenticated. debain-archive-keyring is installed. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| 14:38.09 | themill | vasile: what does "date" output? |
| 14:38.35 | vasile | themill: Wed Aug 13 10:38:25 EDT 2014 |
| 14:38.56 | themill | vasile: can you pastebin the full output of "apt-get update" for us? |
| 14:39.01 | vasile | sure |
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| 14:39.16 | Doxin | so is there some way to figure out why a certain package is going to be removed? doing an upgrade tries to remove fglrx drivers |
| 14:40.28 | formorer | testing? X is newer than supported by fglrx |
| 14:41.30 | vasile | themill: http://pastebin.com/V8eQWDT3 |
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| 14:42.03 | themill | vasile: that all looks fine -- what's the full output of trying to install something/ |
| 14:42.04 | vasile | themill: You will see unstable sources there but I have testing pinned in /etc/apt/preferences, which you can see at http://pastebin.com/kSaykiPc |
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| 14:42.53 | junka | how can see the boot sequence after i have booted |
| 14:44.12 | SynrGy | booglogd |
| 14:44.16 | SynrGy | bootlogd* |
| 14:44.56 | SynrGy | (i.e. you can't; not unless you use bootlogd) |
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| 14:45.42 | junka | i see, bummer |
| 14:45.49 | abyprincesita2 | hola |
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| 14:46.06 | judd | waves |
| 14:46.39 | vasile | themill: Hrm. Now it has stopped bugging me about auth. |
| 14:46.42 | junka | also, how can i watch the boot sequence while i boot? i mean it loads fast and then my DM loads.. |
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| 14:47.02 | themill | vasile: yay! |
| 14:47.10 | vasile | themill: That is... confusing. The only things I changed were doing the apt-get update and adding the preferences file. |
| 14:47.21 | vasile | themill: I'm going to take the victory while it's here to take. Thanks for the help! |
| 14:47.44 | themill | vasile: do you have ntp running? could the date have been wrong earlier? that's normally the cause of a transient problem like that |
| 14:48.04 | vasile | themill: Ah. I'll make sure ntp is doing the right thing. Good idea. |
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| 14:50.23 | lrn1 | what is the easiest way to run a command as root at startup? |
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| 14:51.09 | formorer | lrn1: /etc/rc.local |
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| 14:51.25 | babilen | lrn1: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:51.29 | lrn1 | formorer: i can just add a command at the end of that file? |
| 14:51.40 | formorer | read the header of the file. |
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| 14:51.50 | NCS_One | why |
| 14:51.54 | NCS_One | hi |
| 14:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | because |
| 14:51.56 | NCS_One | lol |
| 14:52.50 | NCS_One | my /bin/sh is owned by root is this normal? |
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| 14:53.10 | babilen | NCS_One: It is |
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| 14:54.16 | NCS_One | babilen: soo how do I configure it to other users execute scripts? |
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| 14:55.51 | mhoney | is rc.local supposed to be readable by everyone? |
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| 14:56.08 | xiqy | NCS_One: set the executable bit for all users |
| 14:56.12 | lrn1 | formorer: thank you. I'll test it now |
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| 14:56.18 | jelly | mhoney: by default? Yes. |
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| 14:56.28 | ChrisH | NCS_One: that should work out-of-the-box. |
| 14:56.38 | mhoney | jelly, ok thx. |
| 14:56.43 | babilen | NCS_One: You don't have to configure anything it should be a symlink with lrwxrwxrwx |
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| 14:57.36 | mhoney | wondering where I should start autossh at reboot. Not really sure I want just any user to see it starting in rc.local |
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| 15:00.00 | NCS_One | I create a "test.sh" file with '#!/bin/sh echo "test"' when I try to ./test.sh I get "-bash: test.sh: Permission denied" |
| 15:00.18 | ChrisH | NCS_One: chmod +x ./test.sh will fix it |
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| 15:00.52 | NCS_One | it doesn't |
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| 15:00.58 | NCS_One | ChrisH: ^^ |
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| 15:02.03 | babilen | NCS_One: You should also keep in mind that /bin/sh will not necessarily get you BASH. Please show us the output of "ls -l /bin/{bash,sh,dash}" and that of "ls -l ./tesh.sh" on http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:02.15 | ChrisH | NCS_One: It is expected to do that. please show: ls -l test.sh ; cat test.sh ; id -a ; ls -l /bin/*sh on paste.debian.net pelase |
| 15:02.24 | ChrisH | babilen: +1 |
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| 15:02.43 | babilen | -typo (in mine) |
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| 15:05.42 | patrikas9 | Hi. Can anyone help me a bit with setting up vps? I've just installed teamspeak on it, and when I'm running it on user's privileges, it actually doesn't work, because of "bind ports". When I am starting teamspeak server as root, everything works great. Is it possible that user cannot access ports? |
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| 15:07.29 | petn-randall | patrikas9: teamspeak isn't part of Debian, you could ask in their support channel, though. |
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| 15:07.46 | jelly | patrikas9: normal users cannot run services that bind ports lower than 1024 |
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| 15:07.59 | NCS_One | babilen, ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/115388/ |
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| 15:08.26 | patrikas9 | ouch, this is probably happening, because user uses lower port |
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| 15:08.53 | patrikas9 | jelly: thanks |
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| 15:09.15 | jelly | patrikas9: you can give them that permission only using "setcap cap_net_bind_service=+ep /path/to/daemon/binary" |
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| 15:09.42 | jelly | patrikas9: ( see https://www.google.com/search?q=setcap+bind+port ) |
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| 15:10.51 | NCS_One | babilen, ChrisH: I'm on an ssh session using putty, could it be related? |
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| 15:13.59 | ChrisH | NCS_One: can you use vi ? |
| 15:14.45 | NCS_One | wow |
| 15:14.56 | NCS_One | even with root I get permission denied |
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| 15:15.16 | ChrisH | NCS_One: are you able to use vi ? |
| 15:15.20 | NCS_One | yes |
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| 15:16.19 | ChrisH | NCS_One: vi test.sh and check if there is any ^M behind #!/bin/sh I assume you did create it on windows and copied it over |
| 15:16.44 | NCS_One | ChrisH: no, I create in putty ssh |
| 15:17.28 | NCS_One | there isn't |
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| 15:18.48 | ChrisH | NCS_One: checked using :set list |
| 15:19.48 | NCS_One | there isn't |
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| 15:20.27 | NCS_One | ChrisH: something wrong here, I created a test2.sh and I can't execute it with root |
| 15:21.32 | ChrisH | NCS_One: it does not make any difference between root or user. check bash -xv ./test.sh |
| 15:22.46 | NCS_One | ChrisH: with "bash ./test.sh" it runs |
| 15:23.12 | musca | we need to look at the content of test.sh and also: How do you execute it? |
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| 15:24.07 | ChrisH | NCS_One: so the script itself is OK with bash. seems someting other with the file. show us the test.sh on paste.debian.net |
| 15:24.12 | NCS_One | musca: content '#!/bin/sh echo "test"' and I exec with "./test.sh" |
| 15:24.33 | NCS_One | musca: the space before echo is new line |
| 15:24.35 | musca | one line? |
| 15:24.48 | NCS_One | two |
| 15:25.44 | NCS_One | http://paste.debian.net/115399/ |
| 15:26.35 | ChrisH | NCS_One: do me one favor: run uuencode test.sh test.sh and paste the weird looking lines between begin and end |
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| 15:26.39 | khurram | hi all |
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| 15:27.36 | khurram | i have vm box running debian wheezy 7 , i connect to it through putty , i want to connect to it using Microsoft Remote Desktop and i would like to put LINUX MINT 17 Qiana |
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| 15:27.42 | khurram | i have vm box running debian wheezy 7 , i connect to it through putty , i want to connect to it using Microsoft Remote Desktop and i would like to put LINUX MINT 17 Qiana is it possible ? |
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| 15:28.17 | NCS_One | ChrisH: uuencode? |
| 15:28.25 | ChrisH | NCS_One: yes. uuencode |
| 15:28.28 | vertas | Join #Open-Chat | A channel with all sensible topics! |
| 15:28.49 | bazhang | !ops | vertas |
| 15:28.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | vertas |
| 15:28.53 | khurram | or GNOME |
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| 15:29.08 | jelly | vertas: don't spam other channels, please |
| 15:29.25 | NCS_One | ChrisH: don't have it |
| 15:29.26 | adac | wondering if docker can be installed on wheezy via apt? |
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| 15:29.43 | NCS_One | ChrisH: which package should I install? |
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| 15:30.57 | ChrisH | NCS_One: sharutils: /usr/bin/uuencode |
| 15:33.47 | NCS_One | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/115401/ |
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| 15:37.04 | ChrisH | NCS_One: I can confirm now, no strange characters and chmod +x ./test.sh does work for me. |
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| 15:38.33 | NCS_One | ChrisH: where I have the files "test.sh" and "test2.sh" if I do "./<tab>" the files aren't even showed |
| 15:39.02 | kpease | Is it possible the partition these are on is mounted -o noexec? |
| 15:39.13 | NCS_One | wow |
| 15:39.30 | NCS_One | damn |
| 15:39.34 | NCS_One | that it :( |
| 15:39.43 | NCS_One | tahst it :( |
| 15:39.51 | ChrisH | check df -h . and cat /proc/mounts |
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| 15:40.57 | NCS_One | thats it |
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| 15:41.19 | NCS_One | how can I remove it? modify /proc/mounts? |
| 15:41.35 | ChrisH | mount -o remount,exec |
| 15:41.38 | NCS_One | kpease: great catch? thanks |
| 15:41.56 | NCS_One | kpease: great catch, thanks |
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| 15:42.47 | kpease | No problem - bit me at work a week or two ago, and noticed your description of the problem seemed suspiciously similar to what I was seeing |
| 15:43.40 | SynrGy | NCS_One: rather than repeating and editing mistyped sentences on irc, say s/old/new/ (e.g. s/that/that's/) a la "sed" |
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| 15:44.00 | NCS_One | SynrGy: sorry, thanks |
| 15:44.12 | SynrGy | and constant/fussy self-correction gets tedious after a while |
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| 15:44.26 | SynrGy | we pretty much knew what you meant each time :) |
| 15:44.51 | SimeonK | why is it that when i install a package with a lot of dependencies and then auto-remove it, there are a lot of leftover packages? |
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| 15:45.21 | SynrGy | SimeonK: 'aptitude why' on each of the leftovers |
| 15:45.35 | SynrGy | i would guess "Recommends" by other packages. |
| 15:46.15 | NCS_One | ChrisH: "mount -o remount,exec" gives me the help of mount |
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| 15:46.57 | SimeonK | any ideas how I can remove all those recommended packages? |
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| 15:47.20 | Brigo | SimeonK, apt-get autoremove |
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| 15:47.57 | ChrisH | NCS_One mount -o remount,exec MOINTPOINT |
| 15:48.03 | SimeonK | that's what i did, but there are still leftover packages (those that were recommnded) |
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| 15:49.35 | weka | Hello gents. Where wojuld be the best place to download Debian widgets for the UI or OS itself? |
| 15:49.54 | NCS_One | ChrisH: I'm a noob :) mountpoint is /home? the "test.sh" is in /home/username |
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| 15:51.16 | ChrisH | NCS_One: check df -h . /home should be ok |
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| 15:52.38 | petern_ | Hrmm, pam_tally2 doesn't affect ssh :( |
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| 15:54.28 | squisher | petern_, did you enable the module in the pam config for ssh? |
| 15:54.51 | petern_ | Well, it's in the common-* parts. |
| 15:55.01 | petern_ | But... using pubkeys. |
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| 15:56.44 | NCS_One | ChrisH: how do I make it permanent? on reboot it changed again |
| 15:56.45 | squisher | petern_, fail2ban? |
| 15:56.56 | ChrisH | NCS_One: check /etc/fstab |
| 15:57.07 | petern_ | squisher, yeah, looking likely :( |
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| 15:57.27 | petern_ | :( because it interacts with iptables-persistent... |
| 15:57.37 | weka | Hwo can I tell which flavor of Debian I am using? I think I am using GNOME... but I can't tell |
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| 15:59.14 | SynrGy | SimeonK: if something else recommends it, you have to explicitly remove it. your logs may help here. how else do you think apt would be able to figure it out? |
| 15:59.23 | NCS_One | ChrisH: thank you very much for your help |
| 15:59.24 | SynrGy | SimeonK: apt, aptitude, dpkg logs |
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| 16:00.02 | SynrGy | weka: if you didn't select a specific flavour at install time, you're on the default desktop, which is GNOME |
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| 16:00.28 | SynrGy | weka: it's all just 'debian', so it won't identify itself anywhere as a 'flavour' |
| 16:00.38 | petern_ | Well, apt does understand that some packages were automatically installed, hence autoremove works on them. |
| 16:00.49 | SynrGy | see my earlier answer |
| 16:00.54 | petern_ | So why wouldn't recommends be marked as automatic if they weren't already installed? |
| 16:01.33 | petern_ | No wait, I get it now :) |
| 16:01.52 | SynrGy | package X recommends Y. you install X, then remove it. normally Y is a candidate for autoremoval. but ... |
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| 16:02.31 | SynrGy | if package W recommends Y and previously existed on the system, but Y did not. then you install X, removal of X may not make Y a candidate for autoremoval ... |
| 16:02.35 | SynrGy | i haven't tested this, however :) |
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| 16:03.51 | petern_ | SynrGy, they're not marked as auto because they're not hard dependencies, so they would immediately be candidates for autoremoval if they were marked auto. |
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| 16:04.48 | SynrGy | petern_: is that true? this, too, is testable |
| 16:05.16 | petern_ | Well, it's just what I came up with, thinking about it for a minute. |
| 16:05.17 | SynrGy | it would surprise me |
| 16:05.35 | SynrGy | why should a recommends be marked any differently than depends? |
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| 16:06.21 | petern_ | well, an automatically installed depends is depended upon. |
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| 16:06.38 | petern_ | it's not a candidate for autoremoval because of that |
| 16:06.56 | petern_ | recommends packages can be removed without the package that recommended them being removed |
| 16:07.04 | petern_ | I think :S |
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| 16:08.48 | SynrGy | petern_: yes, but that's the opposite. |
| 16:09.01 | SynrGy | and has nothing at all to do with being marked auto vs. not |
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| 16:12.05 | petern_ | SynrGy, yeah, just looked, I was wrong, some recommends packages are marked auto. |
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| 16:12.22 | Lope | where can I get more entries for /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:12.33 | centrx | Lope, For what? |
| 16:12.34 | petern_ | Why do you need more entries? |
| 16:12.47 | Lope | I want to get the full sources list |
| 16:12.51 | Lope | like contrib and so on |
| 16:12.59 | Lope | for wheezy 7 |
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| 16:13.11 | nkuttler | Lope: there is only contrib and non-free |
| 16:13.28 | centrx | Lope, Add " contrib non-free" to your existing lines if they are not already there |
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| 16:15.27 | Lope | okay I did but there are still a lot of common ubuntu packages that aren't available: nmon cpuburn mbw ethtool smartmontools nmap sysbench stress encfs |
| 16:15.40 | naklar | ping |
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| 16:15.57 | naklar | I |
| 16:15.59 | naklar | sry |
| 16:16.00 | centrx | Lope, I only checked three, but those are in Debian |
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| 16:16.09 | funrep | i just installed qstat but for some reason there is no executable binary of it in PATH, any ideas? |
| 16:16.21 | funrep | man page works |
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| 16:16.27 | funrep | apt-get says its installed |
| 16:16.33 | Lope | oops I had a closer look at my sources.list file. it's only security |
| 16:16.39 | funrep | but simply writing "qstat" doesn work |
| 16:17.14 | naklar | I'm behind a router which blocks all ports except 80 for me. So I cannot use services like e.g. irc (im on a web-client right now). Can I route all OUTgoing ports somehow over port 80? can I do this with iptables? |
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| 16:17.27 | funrep | oh nvm |
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| 16:17.45 | funrep | it also installed a readme explaining why there is no exectuable named qstat ;) |
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| 16:17.54 | SynrGy | Lope: that could happen if you installed without network |
| 16:18.00 | SynrGy | !wheezy sources |
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| 16:18.05 | Lope | is there any way to run some kind of a KVM client package so I can paste into a debian VM that doesn't have a desktop environment? |
| 16:18.19 | Lope | SynrG: yeah I think I did. |
| 16:18.26 | SynrGy | !wheezy sources.list |
| 16:18.26 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:18.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lope -about pastebinit |
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| 16:38.25 | cendora | Any mirrors that provide kfreebsd dvd ? |
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| 16:44.42 | SynrGy | cendora: you use jigdo ... i think |
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| 16:45.05 | SynrGy | http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ |
| 16:45.12 | SynrGy | oops, wrong paste buffer |
| 16:45.16 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 16:45.56 | SynrGy | oh, regular images are available too |
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| 16:56.58 | monod | helloooooooo |
| 16:57.04 | monod | debian jessie channel? |
| 16:57.10 | monod | dpkg, jessie? |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 16:57.12 | SynrGy | cendora is gone, but apparently the answer is "yes". https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full.en.html |
| 16:57.23 | SynrGy | monod: see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:57.35 | monod | yaya, thanks SynrG |
| 16:57.38 | monod | yaya, thanks SynrGy* |
| 16:57.44 | illuminatedwax | I'm trying to install Skype 4.3 since skype is deprecating version 2.2. However, I'm on an amd64 arch. I have multiarch support set up, and I went thru the instructions (https://wiki.debian.org/skype). When I ran apt-get -f install to fix dependencies in the skype deb, it simply prompted me to remove skype:i386. I tried explicitly doing apt-get install libc6:i386 but it responded with "Depends: libgcc1:i386 but it is not go |
| 16:57.44 | illuminatedwax | ing to be installed". I tried the same with aptitude, and it responded with things like "libc6 : Breaks: libc6:i386 (!= 2.19-7) but 2.13-38+deb7u3 is to be installed." I've made sure to do apt-get update and upgrade (and dist-upgrade). How can I fix this? |
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| 17:00.53 | centrx | illuminatedwax, Skype depends on specific versions of libraries. Not much you can do about it since it's closed-source software. |
| 17:01.12 | centrx | illuminatedwax, Since there is a download specifically for "Debian 7.0" I would expect it to work in wheezy (7.0) |
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| 17:02.33 | babilen | illuminatedwax: https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 17:02.54 | babilen | (also â http://paste.debian.net) |
| 17:03.01 | illuminatedwax | I followed those instructions, I'll try it again |
| 17:03.16 | babilen | And #debian doesn't really support skype, you might have noticed that it is not in the archive |
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| 17:03.38 | illuminatedwax | right, however i figured the problems in installing it would be able to be diagnosed here |
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| 17:10.01 | ChrisH | illuminatedwax: I just tested the way https://wiki.debian.org/skype shows and it failed with missing libasound2-plugins; apt-get install libasound2-plugins:i386 fixed it and I am now at skype 4.3.0.37-1 ; looks like the dependecies inside the skype deb are not properly set |
| 17:10.54 | Fjorgynn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-6DRiLsYE |
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| 17:14.43 | babilen | Fjorgynn: No spam please |
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| 17:29.13 | mhoney | whats the best way to autostart autossh at boot |
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| 17:29.28 | mhoney | as a non-root user |
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| 17:30.03 | petn-randall | mhoney: cron, there's the '@reboot' time. |
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| 17:32.49 | OldParr | amule complains about a 4662 port that is closed, amule is allways in low iD, Kad is allways firewalled, how do i open that 4662 port, i installed firestarter and explored it but i see no option to open any port in there |
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| 17:36.28 | illuminatedwax | ChrisH, I tried that and got this response: http://paste.debian.net/115430/ |
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| 17:36.42 | illuminatedwax | (tried apt-get install libasound2-plugins:i386 ) |
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| 17:39.22 | lanodan | I'm back |
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| 17:40.31 | lanodan | So I still have problems with my network cards (the old one seems to have ~ 1MB/s max) |
| 17:40.47 | l1ar | Does haswell support underclocking on linux? |
| 17:41.00 | l1ar | Driver course |
| 17:41.06 | l1ar | GPU |
| 17:41.14 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:41.57 | mhoney | petn-randall, Ill give that a look |
| 17:42.38 | l1ar | petn-randall: What the hell does it mean? |
| 17:42.56 | petn-randall | l1ar: Which part didn't you understand? |
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| 17:43.54 | l1ar | Don't piss me off, if you don't know nothing about that, don't highlight me |
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| 17:44.24 | sheap | boy I sure love the debian community |
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| 17:44.53 | petn-randall | l1ar: Good luck finding an answer, you've already garnered the channel's sympathy. |
| 17:45.08 | abrotman | l1ar: He asked you kindly not to hit enter every third word. It's annoying and inconsiderate. |
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| 17:54.22 | abrotman | looks at jelly-home |
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| 17:55.00 | jelly-home | winks seductively |
| 17:56.06 | centrx | sets ban on *winking |
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| 17:56.26 | Us39 | Hi. Is there a possiblity to remove sound card (onboard)? In BIOS setup there is no option to turn it off |
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| 17:56.55 | centrx | Us39, Sound card is generally used by Linux through a "kernel driver" _module_ |
| 17:56.55 | Us39 | Seems not to be possible to buy a notebook without onboard sounc ard |
| 17:57.05 | centrx | Us39, This module can be unloaded, or stopped from loading |
| 17:57.06 | jelly-home | Us39: if it is the only one using the same snd-* kernel driver, you can blacklist that driver |
| 17:57.47 | mentor | Us39: Why do you want to turn it off? |
| 17:58.03 | jelly-home | Us39: if your system is using pulseaudio, you can configure it easily to never output to that card (run pavucontrol, look at Configuration and Output tabs) |
| 17:58.03 | Us39 | Want to test something |
| 17:58.31 | mentor | There are plenty of ways to test something without turning it off from the BIOS |
| 17:59.19 | jelly-home | 's been using just the external usb audio card for 3 years now |
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| 17:59.41 | Absolute0 | Does aptitude dist-upgrade upgrade debian to latest version? |
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| 18:00.00 | jelly-home | Absolute0: nope |
| 18:00.00 | Absolute0 | I just did a dist-upgrade but cat /etc/issue says Debian 7 |
| 18:00.09 | Absolute0 | how do I upgrade to latest debian? |
| 18:00.13 | centrx | Absolute0, Debian 7 is the latest stable release |
| 18:00.18 | jelly-home | Absolute0: debian 7 IS latest |
| 18:00.24 | Absolute0 | 7.5 on the site |
| 18:00.41 | jelly-home | Absolute0: 7.6 actually, and that's what you have. |
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| 18:00.48 | Absolute0 | okay then |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | Absolute0: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:01.03 | centrx | dpkg, tell Absolute0 about sources.list |
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| 18:02.22 | Absolute0 | While, what I really need is this: http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ :) |
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| 18:03.27 | jelly-home | Absolute0: well you should have asked _that_ then :-) |
| 18:03.40 | Absolute0 | I was hoping dist-upgrade would get me the latest psql |
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| 18:04.13 | jelly-home | debian almost never carries latest versions of stuff |
| 18:04.36 | Absolute0 | yup |
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| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | however it carries software with a known set of (non-critical) bugs, and fixes security issues in those |
| 18:05.41 | centrx | Absolute0, You could do a source backport from Debian testing/unstable (pre-release) |
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| 18:05.51 | jelly-home | centrx: no need to in this case |
| 18:05.52 | sebastian1 | debian stable* you mean :) |
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| 18:06.04 | centrx | Absolute0, However, postgresql is complicated so that is not likely to work so well/easy |
| 18:06.14 | centrx | *may not |
| 18:06.27 | Absolute0 | crap I think I will now have two psql versions |
| 18:06.30 | jelly-home | Absolute0: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt apparently people making packages for upstream are the very same people doing packaging of Pg for Debian |
| 18:06.34 | wald0 | how is the iso of the netinst created ? |
| 18:06.35 | Absolute0 | nope all fine |
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| 18:07.16 | jelly-home | so if you absolutely require 9.3, their repo is a good choice (I'm told) |
| 18:07.53 | Us39 | How can I deactivate my sound cards? |
| 18:08.09 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 18:08.40 | jelly-home | Us39: I just told you two possible ways of doing it; a) blacklisting module or b) disabling in pavucontrol |
| 18:09.24 | smartass | Us39: disconnecting it on the hardware level is also an options _if_ you know how to take your PC apart |
| 18:09.33 | jelly-home | !tell Us39 about blacklist |
| 18:09.49 | jelly-home | [s]he said it was a laptop, smartass |
| 18:10.31 | dmi3on | i have 2d array x and y what is best way to storted by x axis |
| 18:10.32 | dmi3on | ? |
| 18:12.01 | jelly-home | dmi3on: sounds like a data structures/programming question, are you sure this is the right place to ask? |
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| 18:13.08 | dmi3on | ups sorry |
| 18:13.14 | dmi3on | wrong channel hehe |
| 18:13.54 | smartass | dmi3on: for what it's worth, most libraries make it possible to specify the axis, e.g. numpy.sort(arr, axis=0) |
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| 18:15.07 | smartass | jelly-home: on some laptops you can at least disconnect the power supply for the audio module |
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| 18:16.07 | OldParr | amule complains about a 4662 port that is closed, amule is allways in low iD, Kad is allways firewalled, how do i open that 4662 port, i installed firestarter and explored it but i see no option to open any port in there |
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| 18:16.37 | Us39 | jelly-home: If I set the onboard sound card to the blacklist then the card won't be loaded during booting, right? |
| 18:17.32 | jelly-home | Us39: that is the idea, yes |
| 18:17.57 | jelly-home | the card will be where it always is. The DRIVER however won't be loaded. |
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| 18:20.12 | Us39 | jelly-home: Do you know the difference between disable sound card in BIOS setup and the blacklist-variant? |
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| 18:21.37 | jelly-home | Us39: it's completely different. Typically BIOS hides the device from the PCI BUS. The best an OS like linux can do is ignore the device completely. |
| 18:22.02 | jelly-home | Us39: what is your goal? |
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| 18:23.09 | Us39 | If I have an external sound card I have to disable the onboard sound card |
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| 18:23.49 | jelly-home | Us39: why? |
| 18:24.02 | jelly-home | just configure the software not to use it. |
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| 18:25.38 | Us39 | jelly-home: You mean the audio software? |
| 18:26.00 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 18:31.10 | bodik | hi |
| 18:31.20 | bodik | anyone familiar with git-buildpackage workflow ? |
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| 18:35.36 | junka | i have a process "kworker" that eats my cpu |
| 18:35.42 | junka | how can i identify it? |
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| 18:36.59 | centrx | junka, kworker is an internal kernel process |
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| 18:37.17 | centrx | junka, If it is eating your CPU it is probably dealing with other programs that are the actual culprit. Unlikely to be a kernel bug. |
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| 18:38.17 | junka | i see |
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| 18:39.50 | alami | hello, how can i find out wich ntp server i'm using? |
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| 18:40.40 | Brigo | alami, may be in /etc/defaults/ntp or so |
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| 18:46.48 | timvisher | i managed to install debian 7 without shutdown or halt and i can't find them in apt-cache |
| 18:46.50 | timvisher | any help on that one? |
| 18:47.00 | timvisher | i was going for a minimal install and it seems that i achieved it :) |
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| 18:52.15 | timvisher | ah, seems that /sbin is simply not on my path |
| 18:53.05 | phy1729 | you aren't root |
| 18:54.24 | babilen | (nothing prevents you from adding them to your user's PATH) |
| 18:54.26 | jhutchins | timvisher: That's how it's supposed to work. |
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| 19:03.06 | DammitJim | is there a linux package that will make my linux machine with a dynamic ip address tell my dns servers its IP address? |
| 19:03.27 | idioterna | yes, i think bind9 has nsupdate |
| 19:03.33 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 19:03.49 | idioterna | no, it's dnsutils, sorry |
| 19:03.55 | DammitJim | I have bind9-host and libbind9-90 |
| 19:03.58 | idioterna | i mean, nsupdate is in dnsutils |
| 19:04.07 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:04.16 | idioterna | you probably already have it |
| 19:04.26 | DammitJim | is that something that one sets up to automatically advertise its IP address when a new connection is made? |
| 19:04.36 | DammitJim | I do, 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4 |
| 19:04.39 | idioterna | no it's a tool to let bind know of a change |
| 19:04.50 | DammitJim | hhmmm... no man page |
| 19:04.57 | idioterna | you need to set up the keys so bind knows you're authorized |
| 19:05.18 | idioterna | i have a man page for nsupdate |
| 19:05.21 | DammitJim | I need to set up the keys... ok |
| 19:05.45 | idioterna | yeah otherwise anyone could talk to your dns server and tell it to change records |
| 19:05.54 | DammitJim | yikes, that would be trouble |
| 19:06.01 | DammitJim | ok, I'll google for a tutorial. THank you! |
| 19:06.02 | idioterna | there's tools for that |
| 19:06.08 | idioterna | google for nsupdate setup yes |
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| 19:08.45 | timvisher | jhutchins et al: forgive me os x based *nix education :) |
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| 19:12.34 | joshh20 | Having an apt-get issue |
| 19:12.45 | joshh20 | I try to update the system and get this error: Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
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| 19:14.18 | DanDare | joshh20, more like a network issue (local to you), rather than a apt-get issue |
| 19:14.46 | DanDare | joshh20, do 'ping security.debian.org' on command line, what it says ? |
| 19:14.57 | OldParr | amule complains about a 4662 port that is closed, amule is allways in low iD, Kad is allways firewalled, how do i open that 4662 port, i installed firestarter and explored it, but i see no option to open any port in there |
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| 19:15.31 | joshh20 | Yeah I know, that was a mis-wording, and the ping doesn't respond or show an IP or anything |
| 19:15.40 | joshh20 | Says "Unknown host" |
| 19:15.56 | DammitJim | nslookup-it |
| 19:16.04 | DammitJim | nslookup security.debian.org |
| 19:16.05 | DanDare | joshh20, it happens on any other sites also, like 'ping www.anysite.com' |
| 19:16.12 | DanDare | *? |
| 19:16.57 | joshh20 | nslookup yields no response and ping works for other domains, I tried Google.com just now |
| 19:17.22 | junka | should i use an admin/root password or not? |
| 19:17.23 | DammitJim | what does nslookup say |
| 19:17.45 | joshh20 | root@ns500765:~# nslookup security.debian.org |
| 19:17.45 | joshh20 | ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 213.186.33.99, trying next server |
| 19:17.45 | joshh20 | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 19:18.02 | DammitJim | is that your true DNS server? |
| 19:18.14 | joshh20 | I am not sure what you mean by that |
| 19:18.15 | sexyboy | must be |
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| 19:18.35 | sexyboy | joshh20: it works on my end, it's your dns server that can't translate the domain name |
| 19:18.48 | joshh20 | Must be an OVH issue then I assume |
| 19:19.14 | DanDare | joshh20, doing 'ping 128.101.240.212' works ? (the security.debian.org IP) |
| 19:19.40 | joshh20 | I don't get a ping response from it |
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| 19:20.00 | DanDare | thats weird, considering you can ping other hosts |
| 19:20.26 | DanDare | and, 128.101.240.212 is definitely up |
| 19:20.35 | joshh20 | Woah that is weird |
| 19:20.41 | TJ- | joshh20: There's been a lot of BGP flapping this past week since the routing tables hit 512KB... some routers are dropping some routes, |
| 19:20.48 | joshh20 | The ping ran fine from my other server hosted by a different company |
| 19:20.58 | DanDare | network panic? |
| 19:21.00 | joshh20 | Really TJ? |
| 19:21.10 | joshh20 | Where did you hear about that? |
| 19:21.13 | TJ- | joshh20: Yeah, it is causing a lot of problems worldwide |
| 19:21.27 | DanDare | well, IPV6 then ? |
| 19:21.30 | ompaul | except where the isp actually did something to their routers |
| 19:21.32 | jolt | joshh20: I just read about it; http://www.zdnet.com/internet-hiccups-today-youre-not-alone-heres-why-7000032566/ |
| 19:21.46 | TJ- | joshh20: It's been coming for ages; it's like the BGP version of Y2K :) |
| 19:21.51 | joshh20 | Oh no |
| 19:21.56 | DanDare | **hit |
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| 19:22.12 | TJ- | joshh20: This doesn't prove BGP flapping is your issue, but it is something to consider |
| 19:22.17 | ompaul | ipv6 will work for quad a |
| 19:22.17 | joshh20 | Why can routers only handle 512KB of routing tables though |
| 19:22.27 | ompaul | joshh20: hard limits in design |
| 19:22.30 | ompaul | they rock |
| 19:22.39 | joshh20 | They cost tens of thousands of dollars for these companies to buy |
| 19:22.54 | ompaul | joshh20: tracepath the ip |
| 19:23.00 | TJ- | joshh20: Because, rather like Bill Gates thinking we'd never need more than 640 Kilobytes of RAM in a PC, folks didn't design for extensibility |
| 19:23.09 | DanDare | heh |
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| 19:23.24 | ompaul | TJ-: no, much worse, people designed with limits in mind |
| 19:23.33 | istsehrgut | ^ |
| 19:23.48 | DanDare | anyway, this is perfect channel to blame Bill anyway (or not) |
| 19:23.54 | ompaul | no |
| 19:23.55 | Dagger2 | joshh20: actually 512k routes, but either way: because the routes are stored in super-special memory that's optimized for fast lookups, but which costs a ton so they can't just stick a few gigabytes of it in the routers |
| 19:24.01 | ompaul | you don't get things wrong and be right |
| 19:24.10 | DanDare | yeah, very true. |
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| 19:24.21 | DanDare | I just didnt resisted |
| 19:24.34 | ompaul | joshh20: what does tracepath say? |
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| 19:24.58 | joshh20 | http://pastebin.com/LTg5ty4J |
| 19:25.12 | joshh20 | Wait that is the wrong IP |
| 19:25.29 | joshh20 | Should I trace route to 128.101.240.212 ? |
| 19:25.32 | ompaul | joshh20: not only that I said //tracepath// |
| 19:25.39 | DanDare | test if any available IP works for you, add that to hosts |
| 19:25.40 | ompaul | it is a different program |
| 19:25.49 | ompaul | DanDare: that's wrong also |
| 19:26.07 | DanDare | ompaul, temporary work around I guess |
| 19:26.28 | ompaul | two wrongs mean you're credibility is going down the same tubes as his ping ;-) |
| 19:26.38 | joshh20 | Well I tried apt-get install tracepath and it doesn't show up |
| 19:26.47 | DanDare | I have some? Nice to know... ;) |
| 19:26.51 | ompaul | and I did say you are credibility to give you some leg room |
| 19:27.08 | ompaul | your correct use case but see what that did :P |
| 19:27.21 | DanDare | hides |
| 19:27.31 | joshh20 | Found it |
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| 19:28.05 | ompaul | puts down the spoon, I don't like using it anyway ;-) |
| 19:28.19 | joshh20 | http://pastebin.com/gxf1AVVR |
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| 19:29.11 | ompaul | joshh20: so your edge router doesn't reply to icmp how internet of it |
| 19:29.20 | timvisher | where can i get the ifupdown command? |
| 19:29.23 | joshh20 | Well it is OVH |
| 19:29.30 | timvisher | `apt-get install ifupdown` doesn't seem to do the trick |
| 19:29.35 | timvisher | i have ifup and ifdown, but now ifupdown |
| 19:29.49 | timvisher | even if i run `sudo ifupdown` to get root's PATH |
| 19:31.56 | ompaul | joshh20: that's not the worst case in the world ping -s size -M do ip-goes-here |
| 19:32.23 | ompaul | joshh20: where size is 1500 |
| 19:32.27 | joshh20 | Ok |
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| 19:33.10 | ompaul | joshh20: after a few of them or one let me know if it worked or didn't |
| 19:33.38 | joshh20 | I can't tell, but it seems like it didn't http://pastebin.com/bVzieV37 |
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| 19:34.49 | DanDare | timvisher, I know 'ifdown' is not that you are looking for? |
| 19:34.51 | ompaul | joshh20: try 1400 if that is ok - make it half way between 1400 and 1500 until you find the first one that works on the low side |
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| 19:35.44 | joshh20 | Alright I will test |
| 19:36.04 | DanDare | timvisher, it may be available, accordingly https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ifupdown |
| 19:36.09 | ompaul | timvisher: you have netscript-2.4 |
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| 19:36.13 | ompaul | if not you don't have |
| 19:36.58 | joshh20 | 1472 is the magic number that works, nothing higher than that |
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| 19:38.35 | ompaul | joshh20: that is your mtu |
| 19:38.53 | joshh20 | Ok |
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| 19:39.05 | joshh20 | So what must I do |
| 19:39.11 | ompaul | joshh20: so you can set that in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:39.21 | ompaul | or set it with |
| 19:39.28 | ompaul | ifconfig |
| 19:40.18 | ompaul | joshh20: for fun now you can try the value above 1472 on all of the points outside your own network :) |
| 19:40.26 | ompaul | start with the closest |
| 19:40.34 | ompaul | they shouldn't be restrictive but otoh :) |
| 19:40.53 | ompaul | joshh20: is this a virtual machine by any chance? |
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| 19:44.26 | joshh20 | No it is a dedicated machine |
| 19:44.44 | ompaul | joshh20: was the restriction outside your network |
| 19:45.02 | ompaul | points out usually it isn't |
| 19:45.02 | joshh20 | Should I use trace path to find that out? |
| 19:45.06 | ompaul | no |
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| 19:45.40 | ompaul | you should use the ping looking for frag packets against each destination outside your network staring with the first ip you can see |
| 19:45.45 | ompaul | in the tracepatjh |
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| 19:46.18 | ompaul | once you find you can't get there - you come back half the way to your box - and this is how you find out what you need to know |
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| 19:46.44 | joshh20 | Woah that is cool networking stuff, I am guessing you are a bit older than I |
| 19:47.43 | ompaul | joshh20: if I halved my age I'd still be older than most with a degree in CS and a good percentage who have a masters |
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| 19:48.17 | joshh20 | Thats really cool |
| 19:48.52 | ompaul | what, my age or the idea you can set your machine not to frag packets |
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| 19:49.27 | joshh20 | Both, I am 17 and I want to go to college for computer science |
| 19:49.38 | ompaul | na you don't |
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| 19:49.53 | ompaul | you want to go to college to learn how to think critically about problem solving |
| 19:50.25 | joshh20 | True |
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| 19:53.34 | ompaul | joshh20: you will know you are comfortable with CS when you find a reason to say this in normal conversation about an unusual occurrence, "I'd put it down to partial failure of a distributed network" with a straight face :) |
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| 19:53.46 | centrx | Yeah you can learn just computer science for three years and $100,000 less |
| 19:54.23 | joshh20 | Lol |
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| 19:57.31 | OldParr | joshh20: i think debian.net replaces debian.org in the repositories.. |
| 19:57.55 | joshh20 | Maybe, but I am able to resolve it properly some days |
| 19:57.59 | joshh20 | It is inconsistent |
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| 19:58.22 | ompaul | .net is network .org is the web site |
| 19:58.38 | ompaul | .net covers the repos |
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| 19:59.09 | joshh20 | Ok I will change them to .net |
| 19:59.41 | joshh20 | Well it couldn't resolve that either |
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| 20:00.05 | kpap | ackpacket, effectively if a script can execute itself anything you have access to it has access to barring some sort of access control |
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| 20:00.52 | OldParr | joshh20: when i installed my system it was configured to use .org but then people told me change to .net and it is working very good |
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| 20:01.14 | joshh20 | Ok thanks, but unfortunately didn't change anything for me as of yet |
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| 20:01.29 | ompaul | !tell joshh20 about sources.list |
| 20:01.49 | hays | Are there docs on how to set up a daemon with syvinit in debian in a way that won't interfere with the package manager? |
| 20:01.54 | centrx | I thought http.debian.net uses .net but the mirrors use .org ? |
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| 20:02.17 | ompaul | message the bot |
| 20:02.18 | hays | I am trying to setup node.js and there is a recommendation not to use the packages for it |
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| 20:03.39 | OldParr | joshh20: there is my sources.list ---> http://paste.debian.net/115467/ (is working good) |
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| 20:04.27 | joshh20 | Alright, but I also use the mirror that OVH hosts for quicker package downloads so I don't want to remove that |
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| 20:06.57 | joshh20 | Ok thanks OldParr I added that last 2 lines of sources into my system |
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| 20:08.58 | ompaul | joshh20: don't mix distros don't add in multimedia or you will face more pain than you want |
| 20:09.13 | Extensa5630G | ffs, this debian stable doesn't seem to be suitable for indie gaming |
| 20:09.19 | Extensa5630G | can't even install spring 96 |
| 20:09.23 | Extensa5630G | it's needed to get to spring lobby |
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| 20:11.35 | joshh20 | Ok I made sure they were all wheezy |
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| 20:11.54 | Extensa5630G | joshh20: ~me? |
| 20:11.59 | Extensa5630G | @* |
| 20:12.08 | joshh20 | What |
| 20:12.18 | ompaul | Extensa5630G: no it wasn't |
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| 20:12.20 | joshh20 | No I wasn't talking about your question |
| 20:12.24 | ompaul | joshh20: sit down :) |
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| 20:12.36 | joshh20 | Lol |
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| 20:12.54 | hays | Are there docs on how to set up a daemon with syvinit in debian in a way that won't interfere with the package manager? |
| 20:13.41 | dondelelcaro | hays: it's generally best to use the packaged version of the daemon if possible |
| 20:13.43 | darsie | How long do you estimate will it take for jessie to be released? |
| 20:13.44 | klemax | Hello, I have nokia booklet 3g. I got some sound issue such as the sound of crackling. How to fix this issue? |
| 20:14.08 | dondelelcaro | hays: but otherwise, there's really nothing special to do. You can see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example init script |
| 20:14.12 | hays | dondelelcaro: yeah. the problem is that node.js moves so fast and doesn't really support a 'stable' branch |
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| 20:14.21 | mtn | darsie: lots of people guess, no one really knows though |
| 20:14.39 | darsie | mtn: 1 month? 6 months? 12 months? |
| 20:14.44 | mtn | darsie: yes |
| 20:14.45 | dondelelcaro | hays: nodejs is packaged; you can pretty easily backport it |
| 20:14.49 | darsie | k :) |
| 20:14.58 | dondelelcaro | darsie: most likely at least 10 months from now. Possibly longer |
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| 20:15.16 | darsie | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 20:15.25 | dondelelcaro | hays: that's assuming that 0.10.29 is recent enough for you |
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| 20:17.00 | hays | dondelelcaro: is that in sid? im running stable so i don't think its packaged for stable |
| 20:17.42 | dondelelcaro | hays: it's in sid, jessie, and wheezy-backports |
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| 20:17.59 | dondelelcaro | ,versions: nodejs |
| 20:18.12 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions nodejs |
| 20:18.13 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.10.29~dfsg-1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-1 |
| 20:19.12 | hays | i guess i need to learn about backports |
| 20:19.21 | hays | didnt know this existed |
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| 20:22.39 | zh1 | http://dpaste.com/2EB5W1G what does seem to be the issue here? |
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| 20:24.12 | hays | dondelelcaro: thanks. .29 is fine for now although I believe .30 has a security update |
| 20:25.03 | ArchDuke | Going to try an upgrade from wheezy to jessie, what is the suggested way to do that upgrade? |
| 20:26.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 20:26.43 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
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| 20:28.23 | DammitJim | is there a command to get the current cpu speed of each thread? |
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| 20:33.39 | urn | anyone have nvidia optimus drivers installed? I'm running jessie and I get unmet dependency errors when I try to `apt-get install nvidia-driver` |
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| 20:34.31 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: you mean of each core? /proc/cpuinfo or cpufreq-info; will give it to you |
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| 20:36.48 | DammitJim | okm thanks |
| 20:37.08 | urn | or anyone know how to get an external vga monitor working on a thinkpad with optimus? My xrandr output says VGA1 is disconnected |
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| 20:37.25 | JodaZ | wtf guys, systemd, really? |
| 20:37.28 | mtn | urn: have you looked at the debian wiki bumblebee entry? |
| 20:37.54 | teraflops | JodaZ: please don't start a flame again(?) |
| 20:38.08 | JodaZ | teraflops, flame? |
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| 20:39.00 | teraflops | JodaZ ⸠wtf guys, systemd, really? => what is that supposed to be? |
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| 20:39.21 | urn | mtn: yeah and I get an /dev/dri/card1 permission denied error |
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| 20:39.42 | JodaZ | a complaint about a objectively bad choice, teraflops |
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| 20:40.06 | JodaZ | teraflops, you reacting like that makes it seem that i am not the only one seeing it like that |
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| 20:40.12 | dondelelcaro | urn: is the card detected in your Xorg log output? You should have both the intel and the nvidia card |
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| 20:40.47 | dondelelcaro | JodaZ: the init system default decision is not on topic here. If you want to know why Debian chose it, read the CTTE bug. |
| 20:41.03 | teraflops | JodaZ: ;) |
| 20:41.30 | JodaZ | dondelelcaro, where would it be topic? |
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| 20:41.52 | dondelelcaro | urn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus might also be of some use, even though it's for arch linux. |
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| 20:42.52 | dondelelcaro | JodaZ: ##debian-offtopic, or probably no where. |
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| 20:43.04 | JodaZ | "no where" ? |
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| 20:43.31 | urn | dondelelcaro: `grep -i "nv" /var/log/Xorg.8.log` gives me stuff about using the first device listed ->Device "DiscreteNvidia" |
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| 20:44.03 | urn | nouveu throws errors about not being able to set drm interface |
| 20:44.15 | dondelelcaro | hrm |
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| 20:45.18 | urn | dondelelcaro: is there any way to just disable the nvidia card and only use the intel chipset? All I care about is using 1 external monitor |
| 20:45.20 | urn | over vga |
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| 20:46.02 | aaron83 | hi there |
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| 20:46.32 | Extensa5630G | should I switch from debian to ubuntu? :o |
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| 20:46.50 | centrx | Extensa5630G, no way |
| 20:46.54 | Extensa5630G | i use it in my personal laptop, in the other hand i like sys admin |
| 20:47.02 | aaron83 | someone have try to install a debian arm into android cel? |
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| 20:47.31 | squisher | urn, on my optimus thinkpad the vga will just work |
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| 20:47.39 | squisher | the nvidia handles the displayport |
| 20:47.43 | aaron83 | i create a debootstrap arm image and mount into my sd but chroot fails |
| 20:47.49 | aaron83 | any idea? |
| 20:48.08 | zerick | Is it possible to copy apt binary dists from one Debian box to another ? |
| 20:48.17 | squisher | aaron83, you're not on an arm machine... why would the chroot work? |
| 20:48.43 | squisher | aaron83, or are you doing the chroot on the cel? |
| 20:48.49 | aaron83 | cel phone are not arm arquitecture? |
| 20:49.02 | urn | squisher: i have fresh install of jessie netinst. I just apt-getd xorg. did you need to do anything special? My xrandr just tells me that vga is disconnected :( |
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| 20:49.51 | aaron83 | i create a debootstrap arm sys..and put into a ff disk .img then mount the image into a sd card via adb into cel |
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| 20:50.11 | squisher | aaron83, my bad, I thought you were chrooting on the pc, sorry |
| 20:50.36 | aaron83 | chroot instaled whith busybox |
| 20:50.41 | squisher | urn, I don't think so... but there's no guarantee that your laptop is wired like mine (T420s) either |
| 20:50.54 | aaron83 | integrate whith android console tools |
| 20:51.04 | urn | squisher: yeah I'm running a w530. sigh... |
| 20:51.08 | aaron83 | so...it not posible??... |
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| 20:52.23 | squisher | urn, ha, on yours both are on the nvidia: http://www.unixreich.com/blog/2013/linux-nvidia-optimus-on-thinkpad-w520w530-with-external-monitor-finally-solved/ |
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| 20:52.54 | squisher | basically you need the full optimus setup with bumblebee |
| 20:53.14 | aaron83 | squisher read my point https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid |
| 20:53.53 | urn | squisher: well thanks for the article. damn lenovo for doing this. damn the state of laptop graphics!!! |
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| 20:55.19 | Extensa5630G | is ubuntu debian sid? :O |
| 20:56.05 | squisher | urn, it's quite annoying to set up, but afterwards it has worked well for me - not perfect, but without major issues :) |
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| 20:57.22 | sexyboy | Extensa5630G: no? |
| 20:57.27 | urn | squisher: hah well I appreciate your time helping out :) |
| 20:58.01 | Extensa5630G | sexyboy: someone told me that ubnutu is nothing but debian sid, so i was wondering |
| 20:58.51 | sexyboy | ubuntu and debian are two different distributions, however ubuntu uses some of the core debian components |
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| 21:01.53 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: No, ubuntu is not debian anything. |
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| 21:02.20 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: They began with a base of Debian using some newer packages, but they are their own distribution now with many changes from Debian. |
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| 21:14.25 | chin | does the setfacl command work for a user with name 'user'? |
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| 21:15.15 | teraflops | who asked about watching each cpu freq? that would work `sudo watch cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0..3}/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq` |
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| 21:21.52 | OldParr | how do i open port 4662 ? |
| 21:22.01 | Lope | I've compiled some software on my machine that depends on libicu52 but the latest version of libicu on debian wheezy is libicu48 |
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| 21:22.07 | Lope | How can I install the newer version? |
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| 21:22.55 | abrotman | OldParr: nc -l 4662 |
| 21:23.21 | teraflops | OldParr: the open is already open unless you use a fw or your network in nated |
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| 21:23.57 | teraflops | port* |
| 21:25.10 | OldParr | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:25.46 | zerick | Folks, help, is it possible to downgrade from Wheezy 7.6 to 7.5 ? |
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| 21:26.06 | dondelelcaro | zerick: no |
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| 21:26.21 | dondelelcaro | zerick: well, not easily. And there really isn't a point to doing that. |
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| 21:32.44 | Lope | okay I'm gonna just compile on debian. no worries. |
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| 21:34.09 | kpap | He's too far gone |
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| 21:36.11 | juniorsa | Hi - I am planning an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on a production server - web hosting mail mysql ftp - all the sites I have found say to use apt-get and then a few suggest aptitude - could anyone here give me their opinion? |
| 21:37.04 | abrotman | what do the release notes say? |
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| 21:38.17 | OldParr | abrotman: amule complains about a 4662 port that it says is closed, how do i open that 4662 port for amule ? |
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| 21:41.48 | teraflops | netcat does not open ports |
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| 21:43.03 | OldParr | teraflops: amule says kad is firewalled |
| 21:43.19 | teraflops | sorry whats kad? |
| 21:43.43 | teraflops | open the port on your router OldParr |
| 21:44.26 | teraflops | abou the emule thing I believe it uses udp+tcp not sure |
| 21:44.32 | teraflops | about* |
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| 21:56.03 | abrotman | maybe next time he'll ask what he really means ... |
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| 22:08.26 | extremez3r0 | hi guys. I'm have a problem with Sockets in C. I'm thinking that firewall is blocking my connection. How I can know if iptables is blocking my program? |
| 22:09.39 | eest | extremez3r0: can you test it with some already working tool? |
| 22:09.48 | eest | like telnet/nc |
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| 22:11.11 | extremez3r0 | yes. Ex: I need to make a connection between 192.168.2.1 and .11 on port 7000. I have a server running on .11. If I try to connect with my client it don't work. It I try to connect with telnet it works. When both programs are in same host it works fine. |
| 22:11.45 | monod | helloooo, easy question! |
| 22:11.50 | monod | debian wheezy. |
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| 22:12.13 | monod | why does networkmanager not manage internet connections? (wired and wireless) |
| 22:12.38 | extremez3r0 | monod, (silly question), Is NM installed? :) |
| 22:12.52 | monod | and I don't know ! :D extremez3r0 |
| 22:12.55 | monod | checking now |
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| 22:13.17 | eest | extremez3r0: well, are there any iptables rules loaded? |
| 22:13.28 | eest | what does "iptables -nvL" say |
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| 22:13.48 | eest | (on both hosts) |
| 22:14.17 | monod | "bash: network-manager: command not found" does this mean it is not installed? |
| 22:14.25 | monod | (tried with root too) |
| 22:15.16 | tugrik | monod: try "dpkg -l | grep -i manager" |
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| 22:15.18 | monod | aptitude search network-manager |
| 22:15.19 | monod | i A network-manager |
| 22:15.20 | extremez3r0 | yes. I'm new with IPTABLES. I tryied do iptables --flush and all connection over ssh has crashed hahah |
| 22:15.26 | extremez3r0 | eest, yes. |
| 22:15.26 | monod | tugrik ^ |
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| 22:15.29 | tugrik | although there's probably a better way to do that monod |
| 22:15.39 | monod | tugrik: aptitude search network-manager |
| 22:15.40 | monod | i A network-manager |
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| 22:16.12 | extremez3r0 | monod, it is installed. I think. |
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| 22:16.18 | monod | tugrik, uhm, do you mean a better way to manage connections or to find out whether NM is installed? |
| 22:16.27 | monod | extremez3r0, I think so as well |
| 22:16.36 | tugrik | then you might start it from the cli with something else... but I can't help you with that, I avoid network-manager whenever possible ;) |
| 22:16.36 | eest | extremez3r0: what does "iptables -nvL" say |
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| 22:16.54 | eest | extremez3r0: that will list all rules and the current default policies |
| 22:17.01 | tugrik | I meant there's a better way to search the output of dpkg.... but also I'm not a big fan of network-manager to be honest |
| 22:17.25 | monod | tugrik, indeed.. |
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| 22:17.27 | tugrik | extremez3r0: worth using tcpdump or tshark to see what the traffic is doing? |
| 22:18.08 | monod | tugrik, I was kinda looking for a way to connect the desktop PC to the wifi AP I am setting up on a netbook |
| 22:18.11 | extremez3r0 | eest, http://pastebin.com/y6eMyURF |
| 22:18.33 | monod | tugrik, in truth, I only need a way to see a list of various available wifi connections! |
| 22:18.34 | extremez3r0 | tugrik, I've tryied, but tcpdump don't show any traffic |
| 22:19.52 | tugrik | monod: I get on with "wicd-curses", but use whatever interface you're happiest with. I suspect network-manager is actually called something like gnome-network-manager from the command line |
| 22:20.08 | monod | oh lol |
| 22:20.15 | monod | thanks for that last one tugrik |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | extremez3r0: there is #netfilter |
| 22:20.24 | monod | and I'll definitely try wicd out |
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| 22:20.32 | eest | extremez3r0: hmm i see |
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| 22:20.47 | extremez3r0 | eest, I'm confused, because if I use OpenMPI to run my programs it works fine! And with sockets it nor connect |
| 22:21.51 | eest | extremez3r0: never used openmpi, so currently that is just extra complexity for me :P |
| 22:22.14 | eest | but you are saying telnet to the port works, but your program will not connect to the same port? |
| 22:22.28 | eest | doesnt sound like a firewall issue then |
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| 22:23.15 | extremez3r0 | eest :( If you need use sockets and parallell program it is a heaven :) |
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| 22:23.48 | eest | have you tried looking at the program with strace? |
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| 22:24.29 | eest | should show what system calls it is trying to perform, and the return values |
| 22:24.39 | extremez3r0 | eest, yes. Telnet connect and server show "New Client Connected :)". But when I try with my Client it can't connect. |
| 22:24.59 | extremez3r0 | I will try this. :) |
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| 22:27.40 | eest | extremez3r0: hopefully you will spot how it is calling connect() |
| 22:28.01 | extremez3r0 | yes. I'm found here the problem. Now i need to find sollution :) |
| 22:28.10 | mhoney | whats the prefered vnc server for wheezy? |
| 22:29.56 | extremez3r0 | eest, connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(50123), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
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| 22:30.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mhoney about popcon |
| 22:30.20 | extremez3r0 | is the ip 0.0.0.0? |
| 22:30.21 | extremez3r0 | O_o |
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| 22:30.55 | mhoney | heh cool |
| 22:31.15 | abrotman | extremez3r0: how is this related to debian again? |
| 22:31.51 | eest | extremez3r0: hmm, yeah, that looks strange |
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| 22:32.12 | extremez3r0 | Sorry abrotman. It is related to iptables. But I'm talking wit eest yet... sorry for inconvenience |
| 22:32.35 | abrotman | extremez3r0: please take it elsewhere, this channel is for Debian support |
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| 22:34.32 | extremez3r0 | ... any way. Thanks eest :) |
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| 22:38.12 | monod | heyheyhey |
| 22:38.33 | monod | I know this next question isn't strictly debian-related |
| 22:39.01 | monod | but I'd like to know if any of you knows anything about BIOS modding |
| 22:39.22 | monod | or shall I look for a channel on freenode? :) Yeah, I'll take a look ofc |
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| 22:39.34 | average | would someone want to do a Bash script code review ? |
| 22:39.37 | average | I have the bad habbit of sometimes using 'snapshots' of Git repos, that is copies of a certain revision of a Git repository but without the '.git' subfolder in them. And then I forget the revision they corresponded to, although I do version them. So I wrote this script to find out the revision from upstream that it's been taken from. https://gist.github.com/wsdookadr/a98145ac8848407deb56 |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | average: #bash is a good place of that |
| 22:40.40 | abrotman | for that |
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| 22:40.50 | average | abrotman: thanks, I'll try there |
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| 23:18.31 | sheap | how would I get a script to run at first boot? |
| 23:18.51 | sheap | say, after the install and before the login prompt? |
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| 23:20.54 | debonair | im trying to figure out why none of this will install.... it says it cant find the packages. is my repo wrong or something? http://pastebin.com/vz7xV9zt |
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| 23:24.23 | debonair | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:25.05 | centrx | debonair, It looks like you have no network repos |
| 23:25.17 | debonair | centrx: how do i fix it? |
| 23:25.34 | centrx | debonair, You should set your sources.list to retrieve from the netwebs |
| 23:25.39 | centrx | dpkg, tell debonair about sources.list |
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| 23:27.23 | debonair | centrx: it says deb command not found |
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| 23:27.54 | centrx | debonair, Those are lines for that file, not commands on the command line |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | sheap: you'd have a custom installer |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | sheap: what's the nature of hte script? |
| 23:28.43 | sheap | abrotman: why would I need a custom installer? It's just a menu to select custom packages to install |
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| 23:28.57 | sheap | I know tasksel exists but it needs to be user selected packages |
| 23:29.32 | abrotman | How would you like to get said files on your system before first boot? |
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| 23:32.55 | debonair | centrx: where at in /etc/ is sources.lst? |
| 23:32.58 | sheap | abrotman: well it would be in an initrd that is preseeded I believe |
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| 23:33.23 | sheap | I'm not sure 100% on how I would get to the postinstall/firstboot script from a fresh start |
| 23:33.30 | debonair | i ran find / -name "*sources.lst*" but it can't find it so i guess that means it doesn't exist in which case i need to create the file then aye? |
| 23:33.37 | centrx | debonair, "A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy"... |
| 23:33.42 | sheap | I just want to get to a point where I reboot the machine and before the login prompt the menu/script comes up |
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| 23:34.09 | abrotman | sheap: why not just create a custom installer that installs packages that you want? |
| 23:34.18 | abrotman | or are you saying it's up to the user to select those custom sets? |
| 23:34.25 | sheap | abrotman: yea it's up to the user |
| 23:34.35 | abrotman | sheap: but they won't be doing the install? |
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| 23:35.11 | sheap | abrotman: install is completely automated, so the base system installs and then they choose their specific department packages that they need |
| 23:35.20 | sheap | they can choose more than one department 'meta' package |
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| 23:35.26 | sheap | haven't gotten that far yet but that's the idea |
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| 23:37.14 | abrotman | is still going with custom packages that create a first-boot script |
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| 23:37.50 | sheap | abrotman: well that would be a way to get the first-boot script on there |
| 23:38.03 | sheap | but is there anything I need to do to get the first-boot script to actually start at first-boot? |
| 23:39.34 | debonair | yay! all hail centrx! thank you |
| 23:40.13 | centrx | Thanks. Free grain for everyone |
| 23:40.33 | kpap | sorry about the nick spam |
| 23:40.45 | sheap | since just putting it in /etc/rc2.d isnt enough to get it working apparently |
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| 23:52.29 | mhoney | everytime I try to log into xfce it starts and sends me back to login |
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