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| 00:05.49 | kpap | mist: you are awesome! |
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| 01:08.38 | frew | for some reason my computer is taking forever to read the package list |
| 01:08.54 | frew | when I do strace I can see it reading one package list file at a time, *really* slowly |
| 01:09.03 | frew | is there maybe a setting that's on that might slow things down? |
| 01:09.45 | zh1 | http://paste.debian.net/115503/ all of the suddon gettin this error on debi whezzy 7.6 |
| 01:09.57 | zh1 | wheezy |
| 01:11.16 | abrotman | zh1: why did you change your shell? |
| 01:11.22 | zh1 | nothing |
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| 01:11.37 | zh1 | out of thin air got that error |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | sure .. |
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| 01:12.17 | zh1 | previosly i just did a wheezy-backports update, and someone told me abrotman that could be a bad sector disk error |
| 01:12.51 | zh1 | but been running disk with 23 bad sectors for some months and nothing happening |
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| 01:14.03 | dvs | zh1: The problem occurs if the number of bad sectors keeps growing. |
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| 01:17.27 | zh1 | is error related? |
| 01:18.25 | kpap | From https://github.com/GNOME/tracker |
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| 01:21.06 | rosapoP | im looking for a screen reading software for linux that runs without GUI, does anyone know of one or a better place to ask? |
| 01:21.26 | zh1 | dictation.io? |
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| 01:25.12 | rosapoP | zh1: i meant like a program that reads text in the terminal using text to speach making it accesable for people that are blind |
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| 01:30.40 | abrotman | zh1: you changed your shell |
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| 01:30.54 | abrotman | rosapoP: there are lotrs of docs about this |
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| 01:32.46 | rosapoP | abrotman: where do i find those |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | judd: info festival |
| 01:33.09 | judd | Package festival (sound, optional) in wheezy/i386: General multi-lingual speech synthesis system. Version: 1:2.1~release-5.1; Size: 1024.2k; Installed: 2671k; Homepage: http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | my word, I didn't realize how out of date the HOWTO projects were |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | rosapoP: which distro are you using? |
| 01:34.53 | rosapoP | abrotman: a minimal debian netinstall |
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| 01:35.18 | abrotman | rosapoP: so probably something like festival, but there's an "Accessibility-HOWTO' which may or may not still reference things like that |
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| 01:39.25 | kpap | mquin: Beautiful, thanks. Will it 'just work' or do I need to manually set any modes on connect? |
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| 01:42.27 | rosapoP | abrotman: there is no premade packages of such a thing? this sounds hard and full of old broken links |
| 01:42.28 | jmcnaught | rosapoP: there is a debtag accessibility::search can show you the packages like Festival and eSpeak that Debian has packaged. Try out "aptitude search '?tag(accessibility::speech)'" to see them |
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| 01:46.15 | kee7a | ./proc/net/dev is reporting very high bandwidth usage. Is there a place I could check to see what the data may have been / where it was going? |
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| 01:47.33 | jmcnaught | rosapoP: (or "debtags search accessibility::speech" if you have the "debtags" package installed). |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | rosapoP: festival is packaged |
| 01:48.40 | rosapoP | abrotman: yes but by itself it sounds useless |
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| 01:50.31 | abrotman | rosapoP: perhaps you sohuld try it .. there are screen readers out there |
| 01:50.32 | jmcnaught | rosapoP: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.html.en#idp6176752 the installer also has support for speech synthesis, which will apparently be automatically installed if used during the installer |
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| 01:53.28 | rosapoP | abrotman: what i meant was it sounds to me like it needs extra sofware to tell it what to do |
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| 01:56.49 | wulong710 | I use "nemo or nautilus" in terminal. Often found warnings like :"** (nemo:2412): WARNING **: Could not inhibit power management: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner:" . How can i solve these warnings, and use "nemo and nautilus" smoothly? |
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| 01:57.29 | Geo | Hello, I'm adding a default gw, 'route add default gw 192.168.10.1' but it returns SIOCADDRT: No such process . What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:02.31 | rosapoP | reinstalling using with speech synthesis now :) |
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| 02:03.58 | abrotman | rosapoP: I've used some of those programs, but for fun, so you'll have to read a bit more |
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| 02:07.57 | rosapoP | it works suprisingly good but it has serous problems when installer spits out procentages |
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| 02:17.20 | beepie | wondering if there's an openbuild service client in the main repo, then why can't there be its build service? |
| 02:17.23 | beepie | lol |
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| 02:17.39 | beepie | just noticed |
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| 02:20.42 | Geo | Hi, is there a way via commandline to upgrade to jessie from wheezy? |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:21.35 | Geo | aaaand that would be? |
| 02:22.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Geo about wheezy->jessie |
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| 02:23.44 | Geo | thanks themill |
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| 02:28.30 | sussudio | isn't it annoying when a lightning strike obliterates your ethernet port and linux pretends that nothing happened... |
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| 02:28.50 | abrotman | sussudio!! |
| 02:28.51 | themill | dpkg, zap sussudio |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | takes out a cattle prod and gives sussudio a good jolt. |
| 02:29.23 | sussudio | it took out the power adapter of my cable modem too... 3 days without internet :-\ |
| 02:30.34 | sussudio | anyway... opportunity to blow out 5 years of dust out of the router pc... looked like a sandstorm |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:31.28 | sussudio | piggy is due for a dusting too |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
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| 02:33.16 | sussudio | i should really replace piggy's parts with something that uses less power... the harddisk is probably on its last leg too |
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| 02:55.31 | mawe | whats a good torrentclient with webinterface? |
| 02:55.43 | mawe | transmission? |
| 02:55.53 | kpap | pc-bsd is afaik a desktop distro |
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| 02:56.41 | abrotman | kpap: how is that related? |
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| 03:23.20 | oewhoigh | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6b822e4e/ |
| 03:23.23 | oewhoigh | any help? |
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| 03:24.51 | puamp | hey guys |
| 03:25.00 | oewhoigh | hi |
| 03:25.03 | oewhoigh | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6b822e4e/ |
| 03:25.04 | puamp | how can i find out wehich exact video card i have in my laptop |
| 03:25.04 | puamp | ? |
| 03:25.31 | jaybe | puamp, `dmesg` might show it during boot/init |
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| 03:26.30 | oewhoigh | can't untar my backup |
| 03:26.32 | oewhoigh | any help? |
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| 03:31.00 | Sakara | hey all I've come across a customer I am help where they have an older application that required libssl.so.0.9.7 to run. |
| 03:31.10 | Sakara | they have symlinked the newer version to the old name |
| 03:31.12 | Sakara | is this safe? |
| 03:33.48 | centrx | Sakara, It probably just won't work |
| 03:34.08 | Sakara | this is what is odd, it starts and appears to work ok |
| 03:34.12 | centrx | Sakara, the library has to have the ABI, as indicated by its soname (0.9.7), that the app is designed for |
| 03:34.28 | centrx | Sakara, The newer version might be backward-compatible |
| 03:34.38 | centrx | Sakara, The other direction would definitely fail immediately |
| 03:35.05 | Sakara | when they start this applciation they built ages back without the link it complains unable to find shared library libssl0.9.7.so |
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| 03:35.25 | Sakara | they symlinked to libssl1.0.1.so and its running |
| 03:35.31 | centrx | Sakara, If they built, it can't they rebuild it with a newer library? |
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| 03:36.17 | Sakara | its third party software they are using rather. they don't have the source. |
| 03:36.38 | Sakara | ok let me do some more digging |
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| 17:13.58 | ksk | if its avail for raspis architecture. also, topic in here is debian, they have their own channel afaik |
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| 17:15.16 | ksk | mr_daniel: also, did you try disabling these rx, tx, tso, gso flags? imho it had something to do with the problems you describe, but im not really into it, sorry |
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| 17:21.43 | mr_daniel | ksk: first time I hear about "tso" and "gso", reading later about. |
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| 17:22.37 | mr_daniel | currently the best solution to avoid bufferbloat seems to be a combination of SFQ (stachastic fairness queueing) and CoDel |
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| 17:23.02 | mr_daniel | Here a video explaining it at 26:38 or 25:30-26:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5KPryOHwk8 |
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| 17:26.11 | sheap | so I have a "dialog" menu that is a checklist |
| 17:26.43 | sheap | but when I use it it doesn't show the "*" on selections or move the highlighted area, it just shows "^[[B" in the bottom |
| 17:26.59 | sheap | or ^[[A or whatever depending on my movement |
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| 17:37.24 | sheap | well it works from the shell after login, but before login it's doing the "^[[A" thing |
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| 17:37.54 | tharkun | !moo |
| 17:37.54 | dpkg_ | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 17:38.15 | tharkun | Can someone loosen dpkg_ bot tail? |
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| 17:41.14 | teraflops | srry |
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| 17:47.56 | JyZyXEL | how can i set my framebuffer (uvesafb) to the settings provided by the EDID? |
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| 18:02.58 | earthian | Hello, I want to get a currency number in a form £#,##0.00 from a xml document which is supposed to get after word "expenses" and some more xml text in between.. so the start of the number is "£" after the text "expenses" (case insensitive), how could I achieve that with grep/sed/awk tools? |
| 18:03.09 | earthian | If this is not the right place to ask, where is? :) |
| 18:03.18 | earthian | p.s. it is on Debian :D |
| 18:04.00 | earthian | p.p.s the xml does not have new lines, so when I grep it it gives back all xmls almost fully.. |
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| 18:05.42 | MrFrood | earthian: read a sed tutorial |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | earthian: this is something you'd use XSL-FO for I think ? I'm not sure I'm understanding your question |
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| 18:06.17 | abrotman | earthian: I think you want #xml, but I'm still not sure I understand your question |
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| 18:06.29 | earthian | i just need a correct regex to find the string I need... |
| 18:06.59 | earthian | and any regex is my heel of achilles :/ |
| 18:07.16 | abrotman | #sed |
| 18:07.21 | earthian | ok |
| 18:07.23 | earthian | thanks! |
| 18:07.59 | MrFrood | earthian: 'man regex' may be insightful |
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| 18:09.39 | earthian | MrFrood, I tried learning regex..I think my mind is too young for that as things like /\//(\\/.)\\?./.**\/ will not make any sense to me any time soon even if I try..probably not hard enough. :\ |
| 18:09.43 | earthian | thanks anyway. |
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| 18:10.44 | AimHere | That's not a well-formed regex surely |
| 18:11.06 | AimHere | There's unescaped forward slashes in there, and the last forward slash is escaped |
| 18:11.16 | SynrG | and in any case, regex for xml? read stackoverflow on this :) |
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| 18:11.48 | SynrG | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags |
| 18:12.25 | SynrG | (short answer: use a proper xml parser) |
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| 18:13.12 | Corpnet_ | hello |
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| 18:21.07 | pbunny | hi |
| 18:21.13 | pbunny | is debian installable on any mobile phones? |
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| 18:23.22 | SynrG | pbunny: i don't know, but you may want to check out http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile |
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| 18:24.00 | MrFrood | pbunny: https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile also there are a number of apps that claim (I've not tried them) to allow you to install a virtual debian devices on android |
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| 18:50.24 | jhutchins | pbunny: Given that Debian is Linux, and that we know that Linux has been installed on mobile phones and similar devices, it should be possible to install Debian on some phone(s). It is highly unlikely to be a point-and-click process. |
| 18:50.32 | jelly-home | pbunny: to a very limited extent anything is "installable" on a specific device |
| 18:50.53 | pbunny | actually i need a x86 phone |
| 18:51.01 | pbunny | so i would install debian with x86 kernel on it |
| 18:51.02 | pbunny | and run wine |
| 18:51.10 | jhutchins | Also open to question is whether such an installation would result in anything useful. |
| 18:51.22 | jelly-home | pbunny: if you have root access, you can usually set up a debian chroot. There is no way to install debian as the main OS and keep using the device as a phone |
| 18:51.38 | pbunny | jelly-home: chroot is ok as long as its x86 kernel |
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| 18:51.46 | pbunny | any decent x86 phones? |
| 18:51.54 | jelly-home | so go get an atom phone |
| 18:52.04 | pbunny | also, 4G is a must |
| 18:52.07 | jelly-home | that _has_ root. Good luck with that... |
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| 18:54.45 | jelly-home | pbunny: those kinds of questions belong in ##hardware |
| 18:55.10 | pbunny | i asked there too |
| 18:55.14 | pbunny | it's related to debian though |
| 18:55.22 | jelly-home | no, not really |
| 18:57.31 | jelly-home | pbunny: this is primarily a tech support channel for debian users. Finding a supported platform with such obscure requirements calls for a lot more investigation that we can provide |
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| 18:58.17 | jelly-home | than* we can provide (managed to completely reverse the meaning there) |
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| 19:00.07 | sideup66 | hello room |
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| 19:00.23 | Kiffen_Mage | howdy |
| 19:00.28 | sideup66 | how goes it |
| 19:00.29 | d0liver | What's in deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main? Better yet, is there somewhere that I can read documentation describing the version-updates component? I haven't been able to find good documentation about which packages actually belong to which sources. |
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| 19:00.48 | sideup66 | also i need some help compiling somthing, using commands found in a guide and it isnt happy for some reason |
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| 19:01.11 | sideup66 | reason for that vs just using apt repo is that i need the library compiled a certain way |
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| 19:01.47 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell d0liver about volatile |
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| 19:02.51 | sideup66 | long story short is im trying to get plex to run on my debian box and found out it wont run default wise with a hardware shortcoming, but it can work if a specific library is compiled a certain way, i need to compile opencv apparently and then put a couple of those library files into the plex folders and things will kick over |
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| 19:03.05 | sideup66 | but when i try to use the cmake command it comes up that it cannot find the files to compile? |
| 19:03.39 | d0liver | jelly-home, Thank you |
| 19:04.06 | jelly-home | sideup66: perhaps reading "/msg dpkg package rebuild" may shed some light |
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| 19:04.12 | MrFrood | sideup66: install the -dev files |
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| 19:05.08 | MrFrood | for the files cmake is complaining about |
| 19:05.13 | sideup66 | i did that, dont know much on dpkg rebuild, this is the guide im following and note the machine this was done on is debian as well: plex thread: https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/116843-pms-not-starting-since-09913-illegal-instruction-error/ |
| 19:05.26 | sideup66 | no you download the source and it says the files are not there in the source directories |
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| 19:05.32 | sideup66 | and im following this guide to compile |
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| 19:05.43 | sideup66 | http://docs.opencv.org/doc/tutorials/introduction/linux_install/linux_install.html |
| 19:05.52 | sideup66 | that is the guide im trying to use honestly |
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| 19:06.15 | vicente | hi folks, anyone using LXQT with Sid? I have some questions about PCmanFM-qt |
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| 19:06.57 | sideup66 | or is there a way to just install from debian repo and just use those switches, MrFrood |
| 19:07.17 | SynrG | Maybe more appropriate for #lxde @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:07.40 | SynrG | vicente: ^ |
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| 19:07.56 | vicente | SynrG: they're asleep in there :-P i tried to wake em up |
| 19:08.09 | jelly-home | sideup66: you'd really benefit from at least adding deb-src lines to sources.list and doing "apt-get build-dep opencv", which is what MrFrood's suggestion boils down to |
| 19:08.12 | vicente | I am going to gather as much info on my error as possible and submit as an issue on the tracker |
| 19:08.23 | jelly-home | sideup66: or read the whole package rebuild recpie |
| 19:08.27 | jelly-home | recipe* |
| 19:08.29 | MrFrood | SynrG: I suspect not but you could try rebuilding the debian package |
| 19:08.29 | SynrG | vicente: on OFTC? |
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| 19:08.55 | vicente | SynrG: not sure I am familiar with that abbreviation |
| 19:08.56 | SynrG | didn't see you there recently ... |
| 19:09.10 | sideup66 | hm |
| 19:09.22 | SynrG | vicente: scroll up to my first answer |
| 19:09.49 | vicente | SynrG: now i understand, need to connect to different server... will do that now thanks for the assistance |
| 19:10.08 | SynrG | Yep |
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| 19:10.52 | jelly-home | sideup66: the error on that pms-not-starting page stems from user's hardware being a horribly old geode cpu missing common cpu extensions |
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| 19:11.25 | sideup66 | i know that, as i am in the same proverbial creek and no, buying hardware isnt an option, a college student's budget prohibits it |
| 19:11.26 | jelly-home | sideup66: is your machine also a geode? |
| 19:11.29 | sideup66 | no |
| 19:11.40 | sideup66 | but its an amd athalon without any sse support apparently T.T |
| 19:11.53 | sideup66 | cat /proc/cpuinfo shows no feature for that |
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| 19:11.59 | jelly-home | sideup66: which cpu do you have then, and what's in its grep flags /proc/cpuinfo|sort -u |
| 19:12.01 | sideup66 | its a home server, hence using the old hardware |
| 19:12.12 | sideup66 | hold on |
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| 19:12.54 | sideup66 | ones it does have...fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up |
| 19:13.20 | jelly-home | doing transcoding on the first athlon is going to be an exercise in futility I fear |
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| 19:13.45 | jelly-home | might as well try a simpler DLNA server like mediatomb |
| 19:14.14 | jelly-home | sideup66: what do you plan to use Plex for? |
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| 19:14.55 | iateadonut | i've got git set up so it outputs in color. i'm wondering if i pipe the output of that into head or grep or something, how can i keep the colors? |
| 19:15.41 | sideup66 | just media streaming to a phone and remote, local is already handled (quite nicely) through mediatomb |
| 19:16.08 | sideup66 | its mainly for web based, local is handled by mediatomb |
| 19:16.10 | sideup66 | which works well |
| 19:16.13 | jelly-home | ah |
| 19:16.25 | sideup66 | and the internet pipe is just fine |
| 19:16.40 | sideup66 | i plan on upgrading the beast one day, when funds are higher and i finish paying 50k for a piece of paper |
| 19:16.45 | jelly-home | sideup66: and mediatomb isn't good enough if you use bubbleupnp on phone? |
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| 19:17.00 | mhoney | is there a way to inspect a process (in particular an sshd) to see what ports it's tied to? |
| 19:17.01 | jelly-home | wfm (mostly) |
| 19:17.10 | jelly-home | mhoney: lsof command |
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| 19:17.30 | mhoney | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 19:17.49 | sideup66 | does bubbleupnp work over the internet |
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| 19:17.54 | sideup66 | ? |
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| 19:19.03 | jelly-home | sideup66: probably not the gratis one, as they provide that functionality as a demo and have a "pro" paid version |
| 19:19.27 | sideup66 | i need it over web essentially, hence the search for plex |
| 19:19.52 | sideup66 | because im thinking if im away from home, etc, want to watch somthing, it can give much quicker gratification than ushing ssh to xfer the files around |
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| 19:20.18 | sideup66 | i was playing with emit, which is a free web streamer but for whatever reason could never get it working quite right |
| 19:20.19 | jelly-home | stupid idea: set up vpn, connect to mediatomb over that |
| 19:20.38 | jelly-home | if plex doesn't work out |
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| 19:20.51 | sideup66 | how would that work (the vpn i mean) |
| 19:21.13 | sideup66 | ive heard that idea too but i thought vpn was paid |
| 19:21.26 | jelly-home | vpn makes home machines and the phone see each other as if on the same network segment |
| 19:22.42 | sideup66 | right, i would just vpn into my server then and be able to play the files at that point? |
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| 19:22.50 | jelly-home | don't have to use the paid services if you're able to set up openvpn or tinc or n2n on your own |
| 19:22.57 | jelly-home | that's the general idea |
| 19:23.10 | sideup66 | hmmm i see, i have heard of it, just never worked with it or on it |
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| 19:24.02 | darkangel | I'm pretty dumb when it comes to Linux ... how can I find out which version of Mono is available via apt? (in wheezy) |
| 19:24.30 | jaybe | darkangel, `apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME` |
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| 19:24.43 | sideup66 | i am just stumped with this compile... |
| 19:24.50 | darkangel | jaybe: Thanks. |
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| 19:25.34 | mhoney | nm I see |
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| 19:26.20 | jhutchins | sideup66: Given that most 'net connect are fairly slow uplink, I think you're unlikely to end up with a satisfactory experience. |
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| 19:27.06 | jaybe | jelly-home, re: vpn. have you tried/used the ones you mentioned. have a preference/opinion? my client is osx and i was using a l2tp/xl2tp setup so i could use the osx native connection manager; had issues. openvpn works fairly well. opinions on/about the others? hadn't heard of those others. |
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| 19:30.21 | jelly-home | jaybe: openvpn is the common one, but I never used it. Using n2n. It survives loss of server node (for a while :-(). tinc states they work much better in that case, but supposedly they have issues with NAT, I plan to investigate it properly. |
| 19:30.58 | spacebison | !moo |
| 19:30.58 | dpkg_ | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 19:32.15 | sideup66 | jhutchins, i get about 5 up, and you can crank down quality, most of the videos i stream off are 720 mp4 files primarily which are pretty generic |
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| 19:32.26 | sideup66 | ost modern players can handle it, also the server is hardlined in |
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| 19:33.58 | sideup66 | im just impressed at how much i can throw on a linux box and make it do |
| 19:34.02 | sideup66 | vs windows |
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| 19:38.46 | centrx | sideup66, With Windows, most of your computer's horsepower is used up by bloat, running spyware, sending data to the NSA, etc |
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| 19:39.23 | micahjam97 | hello? |
| 19:39.31 | micahjam97 | is there anybody there? |
| 19:39.34 | centrx | nope |
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| 19:39.55 | Nik05 | no |
| 19:39.56 | micahjam97 | this is my first time using an irc channel and I just wanted to ask a question |
| 19:40.05 | centrx | !ask |
| 19:40.06 | dpkg_ | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:40.38 | sideup66 | lel |
| 19:41.05 | micahjam97 | My only experience with Linux so far was Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 19:41.16 | micahjam97 | then I upgraded it to Xubuntu 14.04 |
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| 19:43.00 | Nik05 | micahjam97 do you have a question for debian? |
| 19:43.20 | micahjam97 | I tried Fedora 20 but something happended and I accidently deleted the ubuntu partition comepletely. I'm going to reinstall Ubuntu 12.04 comepletely now but I wanted to what Debian was like. How does it differ from Ubuntu, is it faster, and what changes can I expect? |
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| 19:45.12 | centrx | micahjam97, The default UI is different, and there are many differences in specific areas, but generally it's similar. They're both Linux, even Debian-based |
| 19:45.29 | mo1991 | micahjam97 - debian is typically faster and certainly much more stable than Ubuntu, but with longer release cycle so less new but better tested packages |
| 19:45.38 | Nik05 | and we dont have spyware default installed :P |
| 19:45.57 | micahjam97 | so should I switch over to debian? |
| 19:46.12 | Nik05 | depends what you want |
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| 19:46.54 | micahjam97 | I just want some that works, and works well, and that doesn't slow down my already slow computer |
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| 19:47.07 | mo1991 | imo debian is certainly better, but that is my opinion. |
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| 19:47.40 | Bluewolf | Hi, is it possible to make debian 7.6.0 gnome look like Linux Mint without installing Cinnamon? |
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| 19:48.33 | sideup66 | im just pointing out, working on this depcrept old box is capable of |
| 19:48.38 | Bluewolf | Or at least change its looks quite a bit? |
| 19:48.53 | mo1991 | debian stable is nice because it is rock solid as a server or a desktop - this is important to me because I hate having to reconfigure things or fix crashy software. With ubuntu i found that the more packages I installed, especially server stuff, the less stable it became. Not the case with debian. It is always rock solid - set it and forget it |
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| 19:49.18 | sideup66 | true, why i went with it, its more flexible honestly |
| 19:49.21 | sideup66 | lets you change more |
| 19:49.27 | sideup66 | debian is a better desktop os in my opinion |
| 19:49.40 | sideup66 | because it has the simplicity of windows with the utopia that linux provides |
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| 19:50.09 | mo1991 | bluewolf - XFCE is a nice desktop. |
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| 19:51.44 | micahjam97 | i tried to make a bootable usb with unetbootin from a debian iso I downloaded, but it didn't work. It just kept looping some messages. It was a long time ago so I can't say what it was. So, how do I go about installing debian? |
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| 19:52.27 | Bluewolf | mo1991: Not too farmiliar with it, and I am kind of set in my ways. I have always been on Ubuntu and now I want to move to Debian - More stable |
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| 19:53.29 | sepero | Technical Question. How can I install an arm deb to a mounted root filesystem (using an x86 pc)? |
| 19:53.54 | formorer | use chroot |
| 19:54.16 | aaron83 | hety |
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| 19:54.32 | aaron83 | y create a debootstrap arm enviroment |
| 19:54.53 | aaron83 | but chroot fails when i try to access |
| 19:55.31 | micahjam97 | how do I install debian |
| 19:55.32 | micahjam97 | > |
| 19:55.34 | micahjam97 | ? |
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| 19:55.54 | sepero | micahjam97: debootstrap |
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| 19:56.31 | aaron83 | debootstrap --arch=armel stable debian myrepo |
| 19:56.48 | centrx | wrong person |
| 19:56.53 | aaron83 | then chroot debian and make and error |
| 19:57.03 | centrx | micahjam97, https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 19:57.04 | sepero | micahjam97: or try a different program for creating the usb |
| 19:57.21 | centrx | oh you had another question earlier, nevermind |
| 19:58.21 | mo1991 | Bluewolf - there are ways to modify gnome 3 quite a bit as I understand it, but I'm not a gnome user so I'm no help - xfce is more similar to gnome 2 - which I prefer. |
| 19:58.42 | micahjam97 | is debian in any way harder than ubuntu? |
| 19:58.45 | aaron83 | gnome-tweak-tool |
| 19:58.52 | micahjam97 | like to get used to I mean |
| 19:59.08 | Bluewolf | Can Cinnamon Be installed in Debian, without it causing issues? |
| 19:59.14 | aaron83 | ok is that i do debootstrap --arch=armel --foreign stable debian ftp://172.25.100.4/repositorio/debian7 |
| 19:59.41 | micahjam97 | do I need some type of phd in computer science or can I jst start using Debian like with Ubuntu |
| 20:00.03 | aaron83 | process finish ok then chroot fails to exec «/bin/bash»: Exec format error |
| 20:00.13 | stmiller | micahjam97 Just start using it |
| 20:00.19 | Bluewolf | micahjam97: No it shouldn't be, there very similar and Ubuntu is made from debian |
| 20:00.29 | mo1991 | micahjam97 - its very similar to ubuntu - as ubuntu is based off debian. |
| 20:00.30 | formorer | aaron83: ach sorry. you need of your course qemu |
| 20:00.50 | micahjam97 | okay then I guess I'll start using debian |
| 20:00.56 | formorer | aaron83: https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation |
| 20:01.09 | aaron83 | ok thanks let check then |
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| 20:01.26 | sideup66 | hey here is a side question, since my source system does not have sse instruction set, i always thought .deb packages were just fancy extracts of files and not full compiles |
| 20:01.31 | formorer | aaron83: see the Appendix |
| 20:01.40 | Bluewolf | micahjam97: If your that concerned the only way to try it is to download the live CD's and try, but it is very similar (Depending on what type of debian you choose) :D |
| 20:01.44 | sideup66 | when it compiles the library if i were to install from my deb repo, will it give me the library sans sse support? |
| 20:01.55 | sideup66 | the opencv library i mean |
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| 20:02.08 | aaron83 | i wan to install debian into my cel and the guide include a debootstrap arm creation into a .img |
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| 20:03.03 | aaron83 | thanks formorer nice links |
| 20:03.07 | micahjam97 | Im about to download an iso, which desktop environment should I go with? |
| 20:03.19 | Bluewolf | What mobile phones does debian actually support |
| 20:03.20 | sideup66 | ? |
| 20:03.27 | zleslie | Anyone familiar with building Oracle java using the java-pakcage package? I get no output when I execute the script. |
| 20:03.30 | aaron83 | any |
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| 20:03.48 | aaron83 | armel and armfh are native suporto to android cel phone |
| 20:04.04 | micahjam97 | which one is better in your opinion kde or gnome |
| 20:04.07 | aaron83 | iphone are a paint in the a....s |
| 20:04.09 | centrx | micahjam97, Gnome is the default and might be the most straightforward for you. |
| 20:04.12 | micahjam97 | i dont want lxde or xfce |
| 20:04.20 | stmiller | zleslie there is a sun/oracle java repo here http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en |
| 20:04.27 | micahjam97 | okay I'll go with gnome |
| 20:04.39 | Bluewolf | micahjam97: Unfortunately that depends on you, I asked the same question so best download the .iso's and have a look or look them up on the internet. |
| 20:04.39 | micahjam97 | thank you all so much for your help |
| 20:04.40 | zleslie | stmiller: Is it legit? |
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| 20:05.07 | stmiller | zleslie: Yes. It pulls down the latest oracle java and installs it. Also keeps it up to date automatically |
| 20:05.31 | stmiller | It's just by some dude, but it works great. :) |
| 20:06.17 | zleslie | So its not packaged then? Just package of a script that updates java locally? |
| 20:06.33 | zleslie | I was hoping for a java package, which led me to try the java-package package. |
| 20:06.40 | zleslie | Man this is sounding redundant |
| 20:06.53 | Bluewolf | Can Cinnamon Be installed in Debian, without it causing issues? |
| 20:07.09 | formorer | yes. |
| 20:07.48 | centrx | Bluewolf, cinnamon is not in stable, so there could be some issues if you get it from a non-Debian source |
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| 20:09.04 | Bluewolf | centrx: Understood, then is it possible to get a theme in Debian that looks like Cinnamon? |
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| 20:10.28 | centrx | Bluewolf, I bet there are several, they might not be in one of the "themes" packages in Debian, but it is straightforward and fine to get Gnome, KDE, etc. themes from the various theming websites |
| 20:10.47 | zleslie | stmiller: Installing that package wants to install iceweasel and X. |
| 20:11.02 | trebor_home | hello. after using backported kernel i get some problems invoking pm-hibernatei via powerbutton (pasted my powerbtn-acpi-support.sh here: http://pastebin.com/CZ2FFuuz). before i commented-out pm-hibernate i got stuck into a pm-hibernate loop (after each waking up, the laptop started pm-hibernate again). i would be glad if someone could give me a hint/url/example/... |
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| 20:11.52 | stmiller | zleslie: maybe try --no-install-recommends |
| 20:12.19 | Bluewolf | centrx: Okay cool, is the gnome customizable. Does compiz work in debian as it used to in Ubuntu allowing one to use the desktop cube? |
| 20:12.35 | zleslie | stmiller: I set that in apt already |
| 20:12.47 | stmiller | Hm argh. |
| 20:12.49 | zleslie | stmiller: If it needs X, this is not an option for me |
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| 20:12.57 | sheap | how would I set the $TERM env variable so that /usr/bin/dialog highlights and displays correctly? |
| 20:13.08 | centrx | Bluewolf, compiz is apparently old and not really used outside of Ubuntu now, I don't know what the replacement(s) are |
| 20:14.12 | Bluewolf | centrx: Oh okay, nothing serious. What mobile phones does debian actually support, I have heard of people loading it onto their phones? |
| 20:15.25 | centrx | Bluewolf, Most phones use an ARM processor, so Debian supports the architecture, but it takes a lot of custom hacking and fiddling to get it working apparently |
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| 20:16.42 | Bluewolf | centrx: Okay thank you for the info, time and help. I will look at moving on soon |
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| 20:19.11 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: you're not the first person to state that today. Was there a prominent article somewhere today stating debian worked on phones? |
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| 20:19.58 | MrFrood | sheap: see tme man page for 'toe', you will probably want to pipe the output of toe into grep |
| 20:20.13 | MrFrood | s/tme/the/ |
| 20:21.03 | sheap | MrFrood: what would that ccomplish? |
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| 20:21.19 | sideup66 | do debian package actually compile source |
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| 20:21.26 | Bluewolf | jelly-home: Not that I have seen, I was told by another debian user a while back (I did not think anything of it as I was using Ubuntu) thought of asking now as it was mentioned earlier which jogged my memory :D |
| 20:21.26 | sideup66 | or just extract precompiled files to places |
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| 20:22.26 | c3w | sideup66: either, depending on if its a binary or source package |
| 20:22.55 | sideup66 | how do i tell that? |
| 20:23.03 | MrFrood | if your shell is failing to correctly auto-guess the correct term you will need to set the correct term type yourself and to do that you need to know the correct term type - hence toe |
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| 20:24.00 | ProfessorKaos64 | The installation guide links on https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual don't quite work. Should I follow a different link on that page? |
| 20:24.09 | c3w | whether you got it from a src repository... if you don't know its a src pkg its probably binary |
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| 20:24.19 | sheap | MrFrood: is it special since it's happening before login? |
| 20:24.39 | ProfessorKaos64 | I assume I can follow: http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ |
| 20:24.58 | MrFrood | no idea |
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| 20:25.07 | sheap | MrFrood: ok thanks |
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| 20:32.08 | blackjack | hello |
| 20:32.23 | blackjack | any help guys around? |
| 20:32.35 | petemc | maybe |
| 20:32.41 | blackjack | i wonder why my ssh changed. however im very sure that no one has been changing it |
| 20:33.48 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.56 | blackjack | this warning annoys me |
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| 20:34.11 | blackjack | this doesnt apper yesterday. and i know since yesterday nothing happened |
| 20:34.18 | jelly-home | blackjack: your client may have been upgraded and using the different host key by default |
| 20:34.18 | blackjack | or it did not rebooted |
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| 20:34.31 | blackjack | jelly-home its a vps |
| 20:34.45 | jelly-home | blackjack: where do you run your ssh CLIENT? |
| 20:34.52 | blackjack | how could i verify that. if that happened, my bouncer should have failed to work or has been down. but it never went down |
| 20:35.02 | blackjack | in putty |
| 20:35.09 | jelly-home | did you upgrade putty? |
| 20:35.12 | blackjack | but i remember just upgrading |
| 20:35.14 | blackjack | yes |
| 20:35.15 | blackjack | scp |
| 20:35.19 | jelly-home | there you go. |
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| 20:35.25 | blackjack | but its not putty |
| 20:35.27 | blackjack | its winscp |
| 20:35.34 | blackjack | but i saw winscp detecting my putty configuration |
| 20:35.35 | jelly-home | it may have changed the way it behaves a bit |
| 20:35.41 | blackjack | is it possible that it altered it? |
| 20:35.45 | jelly-home | no idea |
| 20:35.46 | blackjack | i see |
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| 20:36.32 | blackjack | very weird |
| 20:36.33 | jelly-home | tyr configuring putty to prefer RSA host key type (I have no idea how this is done or whether it can be done at all) |
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| 20:36.50 | blackjack | ok jelly-home thanks anyway |
| 20:36.58 | jelly-home | also, make not of which host key and key type it finds |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | note* |
| 20:37.07 | blackjack | it kinda in a way enligthened me. I thought something nasty has been happening |
| 20:37.18 | blackjack | so upgrading putty or winscp confused me a bit |
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| 20:37.35 | blackjack | ok |
| 20:37.38 | blackjack | thanks anyway :) |
| 20:37.42 | jelly-home | it's possible nothing nasty is happening, but it's also possible it is ;-) |
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| 20:38.57 | blackjack | i think it is nasty |
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| 20:39.04 | blackjack | hwo come my other host did not change |
| 20:39.13 | blackjack | i have other shells that i connect to |
| 20:39.18 | blackjack | but this one only changed |
| 20:39.29 | blackjack | if i upgraded putty. it should alter everything right? |
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| 20:39.50 | blackjack | but it seems on other domains i ssh its been good. and not prompting me like this |
| 20:40.02 | junka | hi, whats with /var dir? i made a seperate partition and now i got a msg that its full |
| 20:40.35 | blackjack | jelly-home, dont you have any idea how to verify it if it changed or not? hmm |
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| 20:40.52 | blackjack | is there a history of ECDSA key? |
| 20:40.59 | blackjack | thats been changing. that i can verify |
| 20:41.06 | blackjack | and the reason why it change |
| 20:41.11 | blackjack | anyone?' |
| 20:41.12 | jelly-home | blackjack: I don't use putty very often. |
| 20:41.56 | jelly-home | blackjack: again, try forcing the (older) RSA or DSA host key type and see if your ssh client complains then |
| 20:42.18 | blackjack | ok |
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| 20:42.56 | jelly-home | if it accepts the host key automatically, that means it's already in its cache and it's reasonably safe to assume you're connecting to the right machine |
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| 20:43.40 | jelly-home | or find a different ssh client you've used (perhaps on a different machine), and try connecting from there |
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| 20:44.32 | iliv | hi, can someone please explain to me how configuration include files are assembled and processed in Debian? Is there any comprehensie documentation about it? I've encountered a case where I had to put a configuration directive in /etc/rsyslog.d/10-remote.conf because if I specify it in the main ... |
| 20:44.37 | iliv | ... /etc/rsyslog.conf file, before the $IncludeConfig that picks up configuration includes from the /etc/rsyslog.d/, the order of rules becomes unexpected. |
| 20:45.03 | iliv | I always thought that if configuration bits are included at the end their contents is just being added to the end of the main configuration file |
| 20:45.13 | iliv | is it not actually the case? |
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| 20:46.17 | paul_grozav | Hello, I have a USB stick provinding a Mobile Broadband internet connection, and I get this (http://pastebin.com/iy0ZLgvd) error while I try to use my wlan0 card as a hotspot. Can someone help me with this? Thanks |
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| 20:47.07 | jelly-home | iliv: each tool has different ways of doing, you'd have to consult rsyslog configuration |
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| 20:50.20 | paul_grozav | Anyone? |
| 20:50.48 | sideup66 | im kinda frustrated |
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| 20:55.59 | jhutchins | sideup66: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:57.11 | iliv | jelly-home, uh, yeah.. you're actually right. I'm just probably getting asleep already. Still, I recall that Exim's config was broken into many pieces by Debian team and this was not supported directly by Exim (at the time only?). Anyone knows how Debian processes these includes? |
| 20:57.31 | iliv | I would really love to see some documentation, or wiki notes at least. I haven't been able to find anything on the Internet so far. |
| 20:58.20 | paul_grozav | I also get this error:Aug 14 23:58:15 netbook wpa_supplicant[2655]: nl80211: Failed to set interface into IBSS mode |
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| 20:58.33 | jelly-home | iliv: /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian(.gz) is supposed to contain notes about debian-specific customizations |
| 20:59.01 | iliv | jelly-home, thank you. Let me see what I can find there... |
| 20:59.02 | jelly-home | this applies to each and every package. |
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| 21:04.26 | jhutchins | iliv: the apropos command can show you the relevant man pages as well. |
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| 21:07.11 | blackjack | guys is it normal that the TurnKey Linux - LAMP install on my vps takes more resources than a normal Debian 7 install? |
| 21:07.16 | zacwalls | any os recommendations? i like debain distro. and of corse linux |
| 21:07.24 | blackjack | i know this is Debian as well |
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| 21:08.39 | zacwalls | knome, come to watch? |
| 21:08.44 | zacwalls | :) |
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| 21:08.52 | infernix | in the multiarch era (wheezy/jessie/sid), does one still need pbuilder to build 32bit packages on 64bit? |
| 21:09.06 | infernix | hasn't built 32bit packages in a looong time |
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| 21:10.01 | blackjack | hmmm |
| 21:10.11 | blackjack | weird |
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| 21:13.17 | blackjack | infernix and zacwalls. no one right now seems knowledgeable |
| 21:13.31 | blackjack | lets just wait more.. |
| 21:13.37 | zacwalls | lol |
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| 21:14.34 | blackjack | zacwalls: try crunchbang linux you will fall inlove with it :) |
| 21:15.10 | zacwalls | ooh sound like i should look into. |
| 21:15.12 | infernix | well, both of your questions are offtopic seeing this is #debian |
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| 21:15.25 | blackjack | infernix: my topic is legit |
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| 21:15.27 | infernix | you're asking for OS recommendations in #debian |
| 21:15.34 | infernix | you have one (1) guess |
| 21:15.55 | blackjack | also i was asking. about the change in ssh keys |
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| 21:16.01 | blackjack | how do i verify this on my own vps? |
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| 21:16.25 | blackjack | is there a history of changes in ssh? And why it has changed? I did not restarted the ssh daemon |
| 21:16.41 | infernix | ls -ltra /etc/ssh/*key* |
| 21:16.45 | infernix | look at the timestamp |
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| 21:17.04 | infernix | ps aux|grep ssh - again look at the timestamp |
| 21:17.14 | infernix | if they are modified recently and you didn't do it, someone did |
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| 21:18.33 | infernix | jelly-home may also be right, your client may now be taking ECDSA host keys instead of DSA/RSA |
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| 21:19.21 | blackjack | thanks infernix. for a while. brb |
| 21:19.24 | blackjack | let me verify that |
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| 21:22.24 | blackjack | my lastlogs are quite ok. Nothing seems quite different |
| 21:22.28 | blackjack | even my history |
| 21:22.30 | blackjack | hmmm |
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| 21:23.34 | blackjack | actually infernix. this is how i connect |
| 21:23.45 | blackjack | so i think its not an issue with my ssh putty client |
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| 21:24.03 | blackjack | i connect first to vps1 and vps2 , and vps 3 and so forth |
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| 21:24.10 | blackjack | all via ssh in sucession |
| 21:24.21 | blackjack | first connect from me to vps1 is all good |
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| 21:24.36 | blackjack | the problem is issuing ssh command from vps1 to vps 2 |
| 21:24.39 | blackjack | theres some change |
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| 21:24.45 | blackjack | kinda weird eh? |
| 21:25.12 | blackjack | i dont think it is a putty issue since its ssh client within the linux vps itself that im using |
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| 21:27.36 | blackjack | so many ping timeouts |
| 21:27.39 | blackjack | :x |
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| 21:35.42 | ImageJPEG | Not really anything releated to Debian but if it's fine, I'd like to ask you guys what you think of this article I wrote about chmod http://notafqdn.com/20140814-changing-nix-file-permissions/ |
| 21:36.03 | akp | hello. i have a debian 7.5 system. how can i get php -a to work properly |
| 21:36.03 | akp | ? |
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| 22:00.03 | CrypticByte | question guys i'm running debian 7 stable and i have this script http://pastebin.com/yVpbAbYH its job is to disconnect the eth0 connection if my vpn disconnects. Now the problem i have is whenever i restore the network to reconnect to the vpn my internet gets re disconnected. File is located in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/vpn |
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| 22:04.30 | paul_grozav | Any wifi master online? :) |
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| 22:07.35 | squisher | paul_grozav, don't ask to ask, just ask. If someone knows, they will answer |
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| 22:17.15 | MY123 | squisher: There is dpkg_ . |
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| 22:18.02 | squisher | MY123, ah, right, should've used tab completion... thanks |
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| 22:20.34 | paul_grozav | Anyone that can help me with sharing modem internet connection trough wifi hotspot? Thanks ! Here's the log:http://pastebin.com/iy0ZLgvd |
| 22:21.48 | ProfessorKaos64 | why does debian require the cdrom on a fresh install? I am just installing git and dialog |
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| 22:22.36 | MY123 | A joke ,of course. |
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| 22:23.27 | babilen | squisher: dselect is the backup bot |
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| 22:30.58 | mister2 | i'm running the latest debian on an inspiron 8500 and my screen is irritatingly fractal-y. might anybody know why? |
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| 22:33.24 | DanDare | mister2, you mean it looks pixelated or blurry? |
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| 22:37.45 | Doxin | I've been trying to get plymouth to work, and it somewhat does, except now there's a blinking cursor in my X session. what gives? |
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| 22:38.49 | monod | Hello! I see a lot of "xorg-drivers" package names for other distros like Gentoo and Archlinux, but what its Debian equivalent is? Anyone knows? |
| 22:38.59 | monod | !dpkg xorg-drivers |
| 22:39.04 | monod | dpkg, xorg-drivers |
| 22:39.10 | monod | dpkg_, xorg-drivers |
| 22:39.16 | monod | !dpkg_ xorg-drivers |
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| 22:39.43 | mtn | monod: consider using http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:39.51 | monod | Thaaaanks! mtn |
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| 22:40.32 | DanDare | monod, or do 'apt-cache search xorg | grep driver' and pick one you want |
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| 22:41.21 | DanDare | or just xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 22:41.24 | ProfessorKaos64 | is there a way to enable non-free sources on the command line, vs. directly editing sources.list? |
| 22:42.32 | DanDare | also/or xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 22:44.25 | monod | DanDare, what are all these xserver-xorg-*-all you're saying? |
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| 22:45.46 | monod | DanDare, the apt-cache command was gold! My eye catched some good package names in the crowded list! |
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| 22:49.57 | Psil0Cybin | if i use UNetBootin to burn the ISO onto my USB for Debian Wheezy 7, would it install the proper boot loader, or would it use Unetbootin's? bootloader |
| 22:49.58 | Psil0Cybin | after i install |
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| 22:51.15 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 22:51.16 | dpkg_ | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 22:52.39 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 22:53.28 | akp | hello. i have a debian 7.5 system. how can i get php -a to work properly? |
| 22:54.26 | Psil0Cybin | mtn, that simple |
| 22:54.28 | Psil0Cybin | a simple copy? |
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| 22:54.55 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: yes indeed. very easy, isn't it? |
| 22:54.56 | btorch | is there a debian packaging related channel ? |
| 22:55.03 | btorch | building pkgs |
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| 22:57.47 | Psil0Cybin | i am so confused why pepopel suggested mtn to put the ISO on the memory stick |
| 22:58.12 | Psil0Cybin | what do i format my stick too ext4? |
| 22:58.38 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: why? putting the iso on an ujsb stick is normal now days. you don't do a format at all. just use the cp command as the link told you. |
| 22:59.08 | monod | hello! how do I "use" a freshly installed package like the following one? xserver-xorg-input-something |
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| 22:59.22 | monod | !dpkg_ xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.24 | Psil0Cybin | yes but my key already had a previous iso from netbootn |
| 22:59.29 | monod | !dpkg xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.34 | Psil0Cybin | i dont wanna mix and match, would just a straight cp of the iso delete all the other content of the usb? |
| 22:59.37 | monod | dpkg_, xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.48 | monod | dpkg, xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.49 | dpkg_ | monod: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:59.58 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: yes, it will put the iso on it and remove the previous one. |
| 23:02.43 | Psil0Cybin | last question mtn ran sudo fdisk -l in ubuntu, got this at the bottom (/dev/sdc1 * 62 15225897 7612918 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 23:02.49 | Psil0Cybin | that would be my /dev/sdc1 correct? |
| 23:03.00 | Psil0Cybin | like memory stick |
| 23:03.20 | binaryhermit | yes, that would be /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:03.34 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: it might be your memory stick or any other 3rd device of that size |
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| 23:04.09 | Psil0Cybin | yea just my meory stick its the only thing in |
| 23:04.13 | Psil0Cybin | and when i took it out and ran the command it was missing |
| 23:04.19 | Psil0Cybin | so it should be right i hope lol |
| 23:04.32 | mtn | Psil0Cybin: yes, seems logical |
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| 23:05.13 | Psil0Cybin | it said cannot create regular file /dev/sdc1 : permission denied |
| 23:05.16 | Psil0Cybin | id run it was sudo prob right? |
| 23:05.26 | Psil0Cybin | as* |
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| 23:13.11 | gellioth | What if I want to install a 32 bits system in an amd64 system... is that possible? |
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| 23:13.53 | gellioth | sorry... a 32bits system in an amd64 computer, is possible? |
| 23:14.02 | nkuttler | gellioth: sure |
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| 23:14.42 | gellioth | ok, thanks |
| 23:15.46 | gellioth | I don't want to use multiarch and that computer doesn't need to use 64bits |
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| 23:24.09 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys after using the cp command to copy the iso onto my usb stick, i cannot boot into debian or get the install running it says some kind of file is missing and then loads Ubuntu again |
| 23:24.17 | Psil0Cybin | i do not want to get it working with unetbootin because it changes the files |
| 23:24.19 | Psil0Cybin | what can i do? |
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| 23:24.47 | thingfish | it changes the files? |
| 23:25.01 | themill | Psil0Cybin: what was the exact command you gave to copy the image? |
| 23:25.19 | themill | thingfish: well, unetbootin breaks the install image and then the installation frequently fails |
| 23:25.30 | Psil0Cybin | thingfish, well the boot says unetbootin, so i am assuming it does if it has a different grub image, would it also save that image for my install ? or would i be using unetbootin image to boot |
| 23:25.39 | Psil0Cybin | i used "# cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 23:25.40 | Psil0Cybin | # sync" |
| 23:25.51 | thingfish | oh hmm, it's always worked fine for me |
| 23:25.53 | themill | Psil0Cybin: what was X |
| 23:25.56 | Psil0Cybin | what can i do in order to get the iso onto my usb stick so it boots up on my older laptop that is an acer aspire one d270 |
| 23:26.04 | Psil0Cybin | sdc1 |
| 23:26.09 | Psil0Cybin | when i put the usb in i can see the files are there |
| 23:26.15 | themill | it should be /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:26.18 | Psil0Cybin | it just does not boot says some wierd file ios missing |
| 23:26.31 | Psil0Cybin | okay so should i run it again with sdc? |
| 23:27.14 | Psil0Cybin | removing the 1, would not format anything else right? |
| 23:27.27 | themill | it will completely rewrite the usb stick |
| 23:27.42 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
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| 23:27.55 | Psil0Cybin | doing so now |
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| 23:29.32 | Psil0Cybin | i hope this solves my issue, i guess if it says the file was missing it means that iwas able to boot something from the usb via this method so maybe it kept a file or something from before |
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| 23:32.20 | Psil0Cybin | i got /dev/sdc |
| 23:32.20 | Psil0Cybin | cp: writing `/dev/sdc': No space left on device |
| 23:32.20 | Psil0Cybin | cp: failed to extend `/dev/sdc': No space left on device |
| 23:32.32 | Psil0Cybin | its an 8 gb stick |
| 23:32.36 | Psil0Cybin | do i need to format it first? |
| 23:34.15 | Psil0Cybin | k the usb stick just died |
| 23:34.24 | Psil0Cybin | im plugging it into another machine and it does not find it or anything |
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| 23:38.24 | Mahjongg | Hello, installed chromium browser on Wheezy. Also installed flash-plugin-nonfree. also copied /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/chromium/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
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| 23:38.31 | Mahjongg | still cannot get flash in chromium |
| 23:38.40 | Mahjongg | Does chromium in WHeezy use another plugins location? |
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| 23:42.43 | monod | hey, another question! What does '[security]' means aside a package entry on packages.debian.org? |
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| 23:46.36 | centrx | monod, security updates are in a separate repository |
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| 23:48.35 | Psil0Cybin | mtn told me that to get the ISO onto the USB stick i would use cp debian.iso /dev/sdc |
| 23:48.36 | Psil0Cybin | sync |
| 23:48.40 | Psil0Cybin | that messed up two of my memory sticks! |
| 23:48.45 | Psil0Cybin | HOW can i get this debian ISO to boot properly?! |
| 23:48.46 | Psil0Cybin | dd? |
| 23:49.46 | tharkun | Psil0Cybin: Your usb sticks are fine, you just need to fix them but that be some other day. There is a debian wiki article on how to do it. but then you will need to download whatever non-free driver your system nic might require. |
| 23:49.50 | tharkun | !usb |
| 23:49.50 | dpkg_ | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 23:50.04 | tharkun | !usb install |
| 23:50.04 | dpkg_ | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 23:50.45 | Psil0Cybin | im using Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 23:50.50 | Psil0Cybin | I want to put the ISO onto the USB |
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| 23:50.52 | Psil0Cybin | do i do it via DD? |
| 23:50.56 | Psil0Cybin | the cp method did not work |
| 23:51.04 | Psil0Cybin | i can also use unetbootin but i do not want an altered install! |
| 23:51.11 | themill | dd doesn't copy the bytes any differently to cp |
| 23:51.25 | Psil0Cybin | .......sigh |
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| 23:51.35 | Psil0Cybin | well cp did nothing but made both usbs |
| 23:51.36 | Psil0Cybin | go invisable |
| 23:51.42 | Psil0Cybin | and have to be gparted to get them to be viewed agin |
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| 23:52.04 | themill | What exactly did you do? Precisely what happened? |
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| 23:52.32 | Psil0Cybin | i hit the cp.... |
| 23:52.33 | Psil0Cybin | it finished |
| 23:52.38 | themill | not very exact |
| 23:52.56 | Psil0Cybin | sudo cp debian-live-7.6.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso /dev/sdc |
| 23:53.01 | Psil0Cybin | sync |
| 23:53.08 | Psil0Cybin | plugged it into another laptop to confirm it had files |
| 23:53.09 | Psil0Cybin | nothing happened |
| 23:53.12 | Psil0Cybin | no usb shows up |
| 23:53.24 | themill | does it boot? |
| 23:53.39 | Psil0Cybin | would it boot if it was not being displayed at all? |
| 23:53.45 | Psil0Cybin | when i plugged it into my machine back again |
| 23:53.48 | Psil0Cybin | after i did the cp and sync |
| 23:53.51 | themill | well depends on what you mean by "shows up" |
| 23:53.56 | Psil0Cybin | not mounted |
| 23:53.58 | Psil0Cybin | not displayed |
| 23:54.01 | themill | by |
| 23:54.14 | themill | the "precise" bit is not very precise. |
| 23:54.22 | Psil0Cybin | sudo fdisk -l |
| 23:54.26 | Psil0Cybin | does not show it again after the cp |
| 23:54.30 | Psil0Cybin | if i unplug |
| 23:54.31 | Psil0Cybin | and replug |
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| 23:55.15 | Psil0Cybin | wow its taking like 4 hours to get this iso on this usb stick :(4 |
| 23:55.24 | Psil0Cybin | unetbootin works but it changes things, why so complex :( |
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| 23:56.26 | monod | thank you centrx! For some reason no popup told me you highlighted me! |
| 23:56.34 | monod | gottago ! |
| 23:56.36 | monod | byebye! |
| 23:56.57 | themill | Psil0Cybin: if unetbootin actually works for you then feel free to use it. Copying an ISO to a usb stick shouldn't result in any of the things you describe |
| 23:57.00 | Psil0Cybin | im trying the cp method one last time, if it does not work ill have to go with unetbootin method sadly... |
| 23:57.09 | Psil0Cybin | themill well am i entering the commands in properly |
| 23:57.16 | Psil0Cybin | i tyepd sudo unmount /dev/sdc it says it was not mounted |
| 23:57.20 | Psil0Cybin | so i ran the cp command again |
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| 23:57.29 | themill | it shouldn't be mounted |
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| 23:58.50 | Psil0Cybin | themill, if this does not work |
| 23:58.53 | Psil0Cybin | what is the comamnd i would use for dd? |
| 23:58.56 | Psil0Cybin | to tryu and do the same thing agian |