| 00:00.17 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: Right OK, not good I'm guessing |
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| 00:01.52 | cynicallemon | RLW980: seems ok |
| 00:02.05 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: right |
| 00:02.19 | phy1729 | blast_hardcheese: *!*root@* quieted by cameron.freenode.net (cameron.freenode.net) on Sun, 08 Jun 2014 10:19:51 |
| 00:04.10 | blast_hardcheese | phy1729: Ah, thanks. We suspected that was the case. |
| 00:04.45 | phy1729 | blast_hardcheese: you can check what the bans and quiets are in most clients with /mode +b and /mode +q |
| 00:05.21 | cynicallemon | RLW980: so i would do what i suggested, download it again... |
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| 00:05.51 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: OK |
| 00:06.39 | cynicallemon | RLW980: or, have a friend download it and write the iso image to the usb stick and blow that fedora install away |
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| 00:07.02 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: ok |
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| 00:08.21 | cynicallemon | RLW980: i think thats as far as we can really take it. sometimes you spend more time troubleshooting than actually just doing a reinstall |
| 00:08.40 | RLW980 | OK |
| 00:09.03 | squisher | yeah, I gotta run, sorry |
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| 00:09.31 | cynicallemon | RLW980: if you do get debian installed i would look into those disk checks again before you do anything else |
| 00:09.53 | cynicallemon | RLW980: just to be certain... |
| 00:10.08 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: meaninng |
| 00:11.12 | cynicallemon | RLW980: well there seems to be some issues in the dmesg output you posted but smartctl says that disk is fine |
| 00:11.38 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: oh right so my HDD is fucked in other words |
| 00:12.05 | cynicallemon | RLW980: a fresh install would be a good idea to see if we see these issue crop up gain |
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| 00:12.33 | cynicallemon | RLW980: smartctl says your disk is fine |
| 00:13.01 | squisher | RLW980, you can also run "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" -- sometimes that gives you a more clear picture |
| 00:13.30 | cynicallemon | yeah |
| 00:14.39 | cynicallemon | usually a quick test though indicates any immediate problems |
| 00:15.23 | cynicallemon | and there doesnt appear to be any of those causing problems |
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| 00:29.38 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys silly question just installed debian i am the only user/admin, how do i install programs from my user account |
| 00:29.50 | Psil0Cybin | it keeps saying i am not in the sudo'ers file, but i am the only account, would i login as root? |
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| 00:30.41 | brianherman | Psil0Cybin, try su -c "COMMAND HERE" |
| 00:30.47 | phy1729 | Psil0Cybin: did you set a root password on install? |
| 00:31.13 | Psil0Cybin | yea i did now i have a question |
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| 00:31.22 | Psil0Cybin | i figured it out thank you :D |
| 00:31.34 | Psil0Cybin | is there a way to change that password by any chance at a later date? or its already set in stone? |
| 00:31.48 | phy1729 | su to root and then passwd |
| 00:32.04 | Psil0Cybin | and that will change my root password not my user account? |
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| 00:32.30 | phy1729 | passwd (if you don't supply a username) changes the password of the current user |
| 00:32.47 | Psil0Cybin | thanks guys :D i am new just switched from ubuntu to debian |
| 00:32.51 | Psil0Cybin | so i am very very pleased with the stability. |
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| 00:33.42 | Psil0Cybin | do i need to install a program for the logs of the machine? like they have in ubuntu to rotate the mand delete them after a certain period? |
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| 00:34.22 | kgboris | sup guys I'm trying to import Peerblock's IP blacklists into iptables |
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| 00:34.52 | myier | Psil0Cybin: I think you refer to the program called logrotate, but I'm not sure |
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| 00:35.16 | Psil0Cybin | okay is there perhaps a starter document for people switching from ubuntu to debian that must get certain software they are used too |
| 00:35.28 | myier | it may depend which init you have installed also, I don't know which one is the default in new debians |
| 00:35.32 | kgboris | I'll check it out. Here are some lists available free |
| 00:35.33 | kgboris | https://www.iblocklist.com/lists.php |
| 00:35.34 | cynicallemon | Psil0Cybin: or add yourself to the sudo group |
| 00:35.36 | Psil0Cybin | or at least learn the small differences like i am still used to using sillyness like sudo apt-get install |
| 00:35.45 | Psil0Cybin | i want to do what is the best practise security wise |
| 00:35.47 | Psil0Cybin | is that smart? |
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| 00:36.07 | myier | what's wrong with apt-get? |
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| 00:36.23 | cynicallemon | Psil0Cybin: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 00:38.35 | Psil0Cybin | sha1 |
| 00:38.48 | dvs | sha256 |
| 00:38.53 | phy1729 | sha512 |
| 00:39.11 | dvs | pshaw |
| 00:39.11 | kgboris | in the terminal, cd to the directory the file is in and type: sha1sum [filename] |
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| 00:39.50 | kgboris | or md5sum [filename] |
| 00:40.05 | cynicallemon | i tend to use md5sum |
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| 00:40.31 | accatoro | !list |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | accatoro: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 00:41.11 | sexyboy | no warez 4 u |
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| 00:44.58 | kgboris | cinnamon desktop on debian anyone? |
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| 00:47.34 | dvs | nope |
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| 00:48.27 | cafuego | noone |
| 00:48.32 | cafuego | not even the people who use it |
| 00:48.47 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: i'm back |
| 00:48.52 | blast_hardcheese | Psil0Cybin: May I ask why "sudo apt-get install" is silly? |
| 00:49.16 | dvs | blast_hardcheese: install what? |
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| 00:49.44 | blast_hardcheese | dvs: Look for what Psil0Cybin said about 13 minutes ago |
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| 00:50.04 | dvs | wasn't here 13 minutes ago |
| 00:50.54 | blast_hardcheese | dvs: oh, sure enough. Psil0Cybin was asking about a guide for transitioning from Ubuntu to Debian, "or at least learn the small differences like i am still used to using sillyness like sudo apt-get install" |
| 00:51.07 | cafuego | blast_hardcheese: There's nothing wrong with doing that, though aptitude is generally better at resolving conflicts. Pretty sure apt-=get also logs what it does these days. |
| 00:51.31 | blast_hardcheese | I'm always interested in hearing Ubuntu users' perspectives |
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| 00:51.51 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: Yeah, I've been a Debian admin off and on (sometimes professionally) for about 10 years |
| 00:52.08 | blast_hardcheese | I don't know absolutely everything, but this was more trying to figure out what he was complaining about in particular :) |
| 00:52.35 | dvs | blast_hardcheese: a fresh install is the only option I see. |
| 00:53.20 | blast_hardcheese | dvs: He already has a fresh install, he's wondering about mindset shifts (afaict) |
| 00:53.35 | dvs | ah |
| 00:53.46 | cafuego | maybe he wants the GUI software installer that Ubuntu has |
| 00:53.51 | blast_hardcheese | and you can get from Ubuntu to Debian, it's just a lot of work. |
| 00:53.54 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, possibly. |
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| 00:55.05 | RLW980 | cynicallemon: i |
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| 01:02.28 | drith | Ok a lot of problems with jessy advanced install on already installed debian distro. Is there any fix to that? |
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| 01:03.06 | dvs | drith: the testing installer was meant to tell the installer. |
| 01:03.17 | dvs | s/tell/test/ |
| 01:04.07 | drith | dvs Can you elaborate more on that? |
| 01:04.48 | dvs | drith: to install Jessie, you should use the wheezy installer then upgrade to jessie |
| 01:05.24 | drith | dvs did not know that because there was/is an iso net install image of Jessie |
| 01:05.25 | myier | how can I verify which init system was used at last boot? I think I have Upstart, but initctl isn't able to communicate with it, and I'm afraid I can't reboot properly |
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| 01:06.22 | myier | I think the system has gone through out of memory at some point, maybe it caused something related to that to be killed |
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| 01:08.48 | cedwardsmedia | anyone here know of a good tutorial for setting up SELinux policies? |
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| 01:19.06 | themill | myier: you're highly unlikely to be using upstart in debian |
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| 01:29.11 | themill | dpkg: tell thorie about bat |
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| 01:39.58 | drith | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvuLJk9Sjc |
| 01:40.15 | drith | sorry it was a mistake :( |
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| 01:43.31 | troulouliou_dev | hi i have a laptop that i use as a gateway, pretty old computer from 2006, since a week it randomly shut down i think due to overheating and bad fan; i don't see anything in var/log about the issue is there any good trick to get a log about the issue ? |
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| 01:46.58 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys trying to get openvpn to work in debian i read i need to do apt-get install network-manager-openvpn networkmanager-pptp network-manager-vpnc |
| 01:47.10 | Psil0Cybin | is that all correct? it also wants to install openvpn, but i do not want to host a server, just connect to a vpn |
| 01:47.13 | Psil0Cybin | so is that normal? |
| 01:48.09 | themill | Psil0Cybin: openvpn is both client and server |
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| 01:49.07 | themill | you probably don't want aoo three types of network-manager-$vpn there either, just the one you want. And you probably want to install the gui frontend that goes with that network-manager-$vpn that you install |
| 01:49.50 | Psil0Cybin | which front end would i get if i am using debian 7 wheezy xfce? The guide suggested to download gnome but it was an ubuntu guide, i do not want any gnome packages :P |
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| 01:50.43 | nkuttler | Psil0Cybin: um.. xfce? |
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| 01:52.16 | Psil0Cybin | themill, yea downloading just network-manager-openvpn did not give me the Add button |
| 01:52.21 | Psil0Cybin | yet in the VPN section of the NetworkManager |
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| 01:52.53 | nkuttler | Psil0Cybin: oh, you can just get the gnome package, it doesn't install gnome |
| 01:53.03 | troulouliou_dev | Psil0Cybin, first set up your client with openvpn client mode in command line either with a conf file or command parameters |
| 01:53.31 | troulouliou_dev | Psil0Cybin, networmanger openvpn is just a gui wrapper around those with fewer possiblities |
| 01:55.13 | Psil0Cybin | nkuttler, sorry so which packages would i get to be able to use openvpn, or connect to a openvpn connection other than network-manager-openvpn |
| 01:55.16 | myier | themill: really? I've looked at the dpkg log, and it seems to have been installed on this system, I didn't install it so I'm not sure |
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| 01:55.23 | Psil0Cybin | troulouliou_dev, so you are saying i can set my vpn to be on without the use of the GUI? |
| 01:55.35 | Psil0Cybin | I am coming from Ubuntu so i may not know everything sorry guys, i am kinda used to using the GUI |
| 01:55.42 | nkuttler | Psil0Cybin: not sure, i don't use openvpn. i just thought the gtk frontend would add a gui |
| 01:55.57 | Psil0Cybin | I was just following this guide (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/135012/add-vpn-button-is-disabled-in-debian-wheezy-lxde) |
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| 01:56.04 | Psil0Cybin | because it has the same problem I am facing.. |
| 01:57.04 | troulouliou_dev | Psil0Cybin, i m launching a command in y rc.local to set up a local tap iface ; never used networkmanager for this |
| 01:57.25 | troulouliou_dev | Psil0Cybin, try to find and read this book |
| 01:57.26 | troulouliou_dev | https://www.packtpub.com/networking-and-servers/beginning-openvpn-209 |
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| 01:57.57 | Psil0Cybin | thank you guys. I am very interested in learning all of this! just never knew where to start, throw more stuff at me because I am from ubuntu so i may need plenty of help getting acustomed doing everything for my self :D |
| 01:58.00 | Psil0Cybin | instead of depending on GUI's |
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| 01:59.45 | Psil0Cybin | also last silly silly question I really like the xfce applet ubuntu uses (indicator-multiload) screenshot: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JnxG3ZNRNcE/Tez0k030V8I/AAAAAAAAEzM/8-qPnGaW6Do/s400/indicator-multiload.png |
| 01:59.48 | Psil0Cybin | is there anyway to get this in debian |
| 02:00.58 | themill | myier: it's entirely possible. It's just highly unlikely. |
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| 02:04.50 | sussudio | Psil0Cybin: probably not worth shitting in the pool for. |
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| 02:07.29 | myier | themill: do you know how I can check if init is Upstart or sysv? |
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| 02:07.41 | myier | or other things than init |
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| 02:11.30 | themill | myier: "initctl version" will report upstart if it's upstart. If /run/systemd exists it's systemd. You can also just look at what process is named as PID 1. |
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| 02:13.44 | Psil0Cybin | okay next question if someone is up for it, the only thing that i seem to notice is not working with debian is the hotkey to dim the screen does not dim my screen, even though something is showing me that my screen is supposed to be dimming (a gui with a sun icon and a bar that goes down as i supposedly dim my screen) i was told to go to /etc/default/grub and change a line but i already have something there probably because i am using an en |
| 02:13.45 | Psil0Cybin | crypted LVM, that says /install/gtk/initrd.gz |
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| 02:13.54 | Psil0Cybin | would i beside it add aspci_osi=Linux? |
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| 02:14.52 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:15.48 | Psil0Cybin | Okee, i belive so |
| 02:15.54 | Psil0Cybin | why would it not |
| 02:16.03 | Psil0Cybin | all u do is run ./start-tor-browser |
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| 02:16.52 | Okee | Psil0> I am having trouble installing, and not trouble running. |
| 02:17.22 | Psil0Cybin | dang adding aspci_osi=Linux, does not fix the dim issue with my laptop if i use the function keys i can see the icon saying the scren is being dimmed but nothing actually happens |
| 02:17.31 | Psil0Cybin | are there other grub values that might work in order to fix this issue? |
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| 02:20.25 | myier | themill: initctl says it can't connect to Upstart, but I have this message in cron jobs too, why would I have them if it's a sysv system? |
| 02:21.29 | myier | themill: PID 1 is init. I have some upstart process started too |
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| 02:22.50 | Psil0Cybin | hmm tried adding aspci_backlight=vendor |
| 02:22.54 | Psil0Cybin | nothing |
| 02:23.37 | Psil0Cybin | acpi* |
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| 02:28.57 | Psil0Cybin | Would I maybe be missing a driver? if everything works but my dim? or is it just a confiugration setting that is off and perhaps not used to my laptop chipsettings? or something |
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| 02:43.26 | Okee | Anyone know which file I need for virtual box? I am on Debian Linux, and there are too many file names in the repo to understand what is required |
| 02:44.08 | Okee | I am on a pretty dated computer, and can't run kvm. I have to run the older virtualization, which is pre 2006. However, my motherboard is 2007 vintage. |
| 02:45.18 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.18 | Okee | <Okee> I am on a pretty dated computer, and can't run kvm. I have to run the older virtualization, which is pre 2006. However, my motherboard is 2007 vintage. |
| 02:45.37 | bdog7 | Okee, apt-get install virtualbox |
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| 02:46.21 | Okee | bdog7> Thanks, I had put a space between virtual and box, and it confused the repo. |
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| 02:51.23 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 02:51.31 | neilthereildeil | i am trying to install debian on my laptop |
| 02:51.43 | neilthereildeil | and the gfx driver is not installing |
| 02:51.54 | neilthereildeil | im thinking it might be in the newer debian repos |
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| 02:52.01 | neilthereildeil | how can i veridy? |
| 02:52.17 | neilthereildeil | verify* |
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| 02:53.11 | bdog7 | what video card are you having trouble with NeilHanlon |
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| 02:53.14 | bdog7 | sorry |
| 02:53.21 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, |
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| 02:55.01 | neilthereildeil | bdog7: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Venus XT [Radeon HD 8870M / R9 M270X] [1002:6821] |
| 02:55.47 | neilthereildeil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.54 | neilthereildeil | 8000 family |
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| 02:56.02 | neilthereildeil | only up to the 7000 family |
| 02:56.19 | neilthereildeil | 'and sure enough, when i followed it, the amd driver said my hardware was unsupported |
| 02:57.19 | neilthereildeil | last time i was here, someone told me to try installing the driver from wheezy-backports |
| 02:57.26 | neilthereildeil | what do you guys think? |
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| 02:58.55 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, you are correct no official wheezy support on the ATI 8000 series, yes you might have to try backports, sorry I'm not much help on this one |
| 03:00.19 | neilthereildeil | bdog7: do you know how to do this? |
| 03:00.25 | neilthereildeil | im not sure which package to install |
| 03:01.05 | bdog7 | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 03:02.09 | neilthereildeil | yea im looking at that page now |
| 03:02.16 | neilthereildeil | but im asking about which package i should install |
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| 03:03.08 | socomm | neilthereildeil: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 03:03.59 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux |
| 03:04.04 | Psil0Cybin | and still the same problems any other advice by any chnace? |
| 03:05.27 | neilthereildeil | socomm: im trying to get a working graphics driver for my graphics card |
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| 03:31.23 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux |
| 03:31.25 | Psil0Cybin | and still the same problems any other advice by any chnace? |
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| 04:23.57 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux |
| 04:24.00 | Psil0Cybin | and still the same problems any other advice by any chnace? |
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| 04:28.24 | cesurasean1 | how come apt-get install nodejs does not work? |
| 04:28.29 | cesurasean1 | what is the correct package name? |
| 04:28.50 | sexyboy | use apt-cache |
| 04:29.05 | sexyboy | apt-cache search node | grep js #for example |
| 04:29.12 | cesurasean1 | im running wheezy |
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| 04:29.35 | sexyboy | lso, make sure you have proper repositories enaled |
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| 04:29.40 | sexyboy | enabled* |
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| 04:29.49 | cesurasean1 | so what is the package name? |
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| 04:30.52 | sexyboy | i think it's not present in wheezy |
| 04:31.05 | cesurasean1 | this is what is returned; http://pastebin.com/LR6p33DL |
| 04:31.38 | sexyboy | yeah, i've search through the wheezy repos, nodejs seems not present in wheezy |
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| 04:31.50 | themill | sexyboy: which release of debian are you using? |
| 04:32.02 | cesurasean1 | wheezy |
| 04:32.10 | sexyboy | searched* |
| 04:32.12 | cesurasean1 | so how can i install it? |
| 04:32.15 | themill | cesurasean1: it's in wheezy-backports |
| 04:32.16 | sexyboy | themill: wheezy |
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| 04:34.51 | sexyboy | 7 |
| 04:34.55 | sexyboy | whooosp |
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| 04:38.12 | Sean-Der | cesurasean1: What do you mean not work? Also note that it installs the binary as `nodejs` and not `node` |
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| 04:48.40 | none | hi I'm on wheezy w/ linux kernel |
| 04:48.56 | none | I want to 'migrate' to kfreebsd kernel |
| 04:49.05 | none | does anyone tryed this? |
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| 04:51.44 | none | the better way is backing up then reinstalling the system perhaps |
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| 05:02.18 | Psil0Cybin | dang i really cannot get this backlight to work properly |
| 05:02.26 | Psil0Cybin | the fn keys show the icons and everything but nothing actually changes |
| 05:02.28 | Psil0Cybin | blasted acer ! |
| 05:02.44 | Psil0Cybin | it worked on xubuntu 12.04, i wonder if theres a few files i can snag from there |
| 05:02.44 | Psil0Cybin | lmao |
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| 05:18.57 | none | anyway if so just query me |
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| 05:40.03 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys. I installed `libsqlite3-dev` some days ago. Now I need to use it in another virtualenv. How can I find it so that I can make a copy of it in the new virtualenv? |
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| 05:47.05 | DHowett_ | it looks like bluetoothctl has taken a nice long break from processing any input -- but it conveniently eats SIGINT and keeps on doing nothing. |
| 05:47.16 | DHowett_ | I don't think that any day was ever "the day" for bluetooth :( |
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| 05:48.27 | drith | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME1uMjnaoSs |
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| 05:52.13 | Luzifer2222 | I use postfix. |
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| 06:00.58 | aypea[0] | well just upgraded to jessie. amused that X still works considering that I've not rebooted yet |
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| 06:04.14 | ctmjr | you need to reboot for the changes to take effect |
| 06:05.16 | Psil0Cybin | what is the best way to see what kind of drivers i can download for my aspire one? I really need to figure out how to dim the screen on the laptop its blarring my eyes maybe its a kernel problem? |
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| 06:07.44 | aypea[0] | ctmjr: I know. just interesting seeing everything just continue to work |
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| 06:09.38 | edgardoweb | is away: Estoy ocupado |
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| 06:10.34 | aypea[0] | Luzifer2222: sorry. busy destroying my desktop :) |
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| 06:15.50 | Psil0Cybin | Hey guys i figured something out! I can dim my screen running this command setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=# how can i fix this or impliment a script so i can use my fn keys to do that?! |
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| 06:16.33 | aypea[0] | whee! *reboot* |
| 06:17.05 | epitamizor | use your DE's key function to run script |
| 06:17.30 | Psil0Cybin | yes but i need to run that command as root |
| 06:17.37 | Psil0Cybin | or it says cannot open |
| 06:17.57 | epitamizor | execute it as sudo without pw |
| 06:17.59 | Psil0Cybin | if that command is working how can i perhaps fix the original problem? |
| 06:18.05 | Psil0Cybin | so just sudo and the command? |
| 06:18.12 | epitamizor | ya |
| 06:18.20 | Psil0Cybin | oh yea but i didnt add my self into the sudoers file |
| 06:18.22 | Psil0Cybin | :P |
| 06:18.41 | Psil0Cybin | blast |
| 06:18.47 | Psil0Cybin | is there any other way to get it working if that command works? |
| 06:19.13 | epitamizor | tons of ways |
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| 06:19.27 | Psil0Cybin | what do you suggest? |
| 06:19.53 | Psil0Cybin | if that command is working can i maybe even get acer_wms or what ever, to work the default tool? like it shows the gui of the sun and slider, but i cannot actually modify the dimmness unless i run the command i just found |
| 06:19.54 | Psil0Cybin | above |
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| 06:20.26 | epitamizor | create a gui program |
| 06:20.51 | Psil0Cybin | haha that would be very smart, is there a guide for this? I am coming from Ubuntu, :P so |
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| 06:21.39 | epitamizor | simple just create a form and a button click it and dims screen, click again and bright screen |
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| 06:23.48 | epitamizor | is debian systemd stable? |
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| 06:24.36 | Psil0Cybin | wheezy 7 |
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| 06:24.46 | Psil0Cybin | i dont know why this dim issue is the only thing that is wrong with the OS...everything else is flawless |
| 06:24.53 | Psil0Cybin | but the original light is super bright |
| 06:24.56 | RahulAN | any idea about my issue? |
| 06:25.52 | Psil0Cybin | i just am so confused how come that command works, but the original way everything is layed out, does not..would it be a driver issue? like i dont even think it can be if it actually dims manually... |
| 06:26.17 | Psil0Cybin | plus how would i make a GUI program if it needs root, i would run it as root> |
| 06:26.20 | Psil0Cybin | ?\ |
| 06:26.46 | epitamizor | sudo |
| 06:27.36 | DanDare | Psil0, $maybe a permission issue? try the dim key as root to test |
| 06:28.51 | Psil0Cybin | Let me try, i will try anything now that i know i can manually dim the screen i dont want to format or find another distro i want to tussle this out with debian. Everything else is really stable, and perfect...no complaints.. |
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| 06:29.41 | Psil0Cybin | DanDare, how can i find out what command is being executed when i hit fn+left on the keyboard? |
| 06:30.11 | epitamizor | your on KDE? |
| 06:32.01 | Psil0Cybin | xfce4 |
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| 06:33.07 | Psil0Cybin | actually my syslog says the following when i run the ocmmand so it registers the keys obviously (acer_wmi) Uknown function number - 4 - 4 |
| 06:33.18 | Psil0Cybin | and it spams my log as i try to increase and decrease the dim. |
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| 06:37.46 | Arr0way | what the reported battery life like for Debian on a macbook pro? |
| 06:38.14 | sexyboy | lower than on osx |
| 06:38.36 | Arr0way | hmm |
| 06:39.01 | Arr0way | but would it be better than OSX and debian in a VM |
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| 06:46.01 | aypea[0] | well that wasn't as bad as it could've been |
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| 06:46.25 | aypea[0] | and joy, urxvt does transparency properly now :) |
| 06:48.34 | aypea[0] | damn. xfce no longer intercepts my power button :( |
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| 06:53.07 | aypea[0] | faints. my thinkpad touchpad works fully now. |
| 06:54.36 | dexta | morning |
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| 07:08.46 | Psil0Cybin | aypea[0], :D good, at least that command can dim my screen manually, so i will cope with the fn keys not working at the moment but i will figure this out :P |
| 07:09.02 | Psil0Cybin | i am really ocd.. |
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| 07:15.26 | phatypus | how can i found out where iptables is logging to? i have rules configured to log on certain drops? |
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| 07:21.57 | jelly-home | phatypus: it's logging to the same place other parts of the kernel log, so look at /var/log/kern.log or dmesg |
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| 07:36.42 | sebastian | what do I do when kill or killall doesn't work? |
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| 07:38.03 | aypea[0] | Psil0Cybin: having power button related issues no :( |
| 07:38.18 | phatypus | jelly-home strange, kern.log is empty |
| 07:38.36 | phatypus | and there's nothing of relivance in dmesg |
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| 07:38.39 | phatypus | or messaes |
| 07:38.46 | phatypus | * or messages |
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| 07:38.54 | Psil0Cybin | aypea[0], who me? or you? |
| 07:39.01 | aypea[0] | me |
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| 07:39.20 | Psil0Cybin | oh thats bad :( i guess my problem is nothing compared to that |
| 07:39.22 | aypea[0] | xfce doesn't get to deal with the powerbutton. it just shuts the laptop down. poopsville. |
| 07:39.30 | Psil0Cybin | Oh |
| 07:39.34 | Psil0Cybin | i have not tried that, |
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| 07:40.56 | aypea[0] | used to work under wheezy. upgrade to jessie broke it. |
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| 07:47.16 | Psil0Cybin | aypea[0], well that is why i kind of moved to debian, i had a perfectly working netbook under xubuntu 12.04 LTS, and then i got a popup saying upgrade to 14.04.1 (thinking its a .1) it would have kept my encrypted swap...upgraded and i was wrong |
| 07:47.53 | Psil0Cybin | there is a big bug that actually xubuntu cannot find encrypted swaps, and left me with no swap at all on a 1 gb netbook, asking for advice on how to get an encrypted swap i was told that i need to be normal and not have an encrypted home directory or swap |
| 07:48.14 | Psil0Cybin | I would rather have a working swap and encrypted LVM than working dim keys for example on a keyboard. |
| 07:48.50 | Psil0Cybin | but my conclusion is stick to stable builds |
| 07:48.58 | Psil0Cybin | and not get tempted by features lol |
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| 08:35.33 | debdeb | Hi. I DLed a debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso and wrote it to USB by Unetbootin. Despite it said LIVE in the name, it didn't boot into a live system at all. What the problem? |
| 08:35.34 | Dixi | has anyone ever exprienced that cron daily doesnt run? |
| 08:35.52 | froken_longstock | I'm willing to bet someone has |
| 08:36.02 | froken_longstock | hopefully they are awake, in this channel, and speak english |
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| 08:36.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell debdeb -about unetbootin |
| 08:37.10 | babilen | debdeb: I can only assume that unetbootin messed up again |
| 08:37.25 | babilen | Which operating do you use to write the image? |
| 08:37.48 | debdeb | huh. "mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways" |
| 08:37.55 | debdeb | I used Ubuntu |
| 08:38.27 | debdeb | And I had to install a "Debian-installer" program on Windows 7 to get it to boot |
| 08:39.15 | debdeb | What's the recommended way to write an iso to a usb stick? I always used unetbootin |
| 08:39.29 | babilen | debdeb: Then just copy it directly to your USB. Run "dmesg|tail -n23" after you've plugged in the stick which should tell you which device node is being used. That should be something like /dev/sdb and you can then run "cp debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" to write the image to your USB |
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| 08:39.48 | babilen | unetbootin is speshul |
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| 08:40.35 | froken_longstock | I have known unetbootin to mess up depending on the options you use |
| 08:40.47 | froken_longstock | if it doesn't work to try the "try live" option, try the "default" option and see if that works |
| 08:41.01 | debdeb | ok. anyhow, I went straight to install screens and ended up installing debian instead of trying out |
| 08:41.53 | debdeb | So, I'm coming from Ubuntu. What to do to use relatively new stuff on Wheezy? |
| 08:42.36 | forcer | debdeb: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 08:43.24 | debdeb | ok, thanks all |
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| 08:44.50 | babilen | debdeb: First configure your repositories (something like http://paste.debian.net/115863/ in /etc/apt/sources.list would do nicely) and then run "apt-get update". You can then upgrade to the latest software. You probably want to install a suitable microcode package so that your CPU is not buggy and maybe some additional firmware packages. |
| 08:44.59 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 08:44.59 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 08:45.32 | babilen | I would then continue with reading the excellent (and free!) Debian handbook at http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 08:46.17 | babilen | From there on it really depends on what you want to do with the system. You might, for example, install nvidia graphic card drivers if you have that or configure vim and start coding or ⦠|
| 08:47.36 | debdeb | thanks babilen, good stuff. I'm looking to do some coding on vagrant guests. |
| 08:47.42 | cynicallemon | also dont forget http://mozilla.debian.net/ for latest iceweasel |
| 08:48.49 | babilen | debdeb: You will probably want to grab the vagrant package from upstream (I know) and you might also want to install a newer kernel than the one in wheezy at the moment. See <bdo kernel> for further information on that -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 08:49.52 | babilen | debdeb: What do you use the vagrant guests for exactly? (we might want to continue that in #vagrant, but I'm just curious) |
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| 08:52.00 | babilen | Background to my question is that I'd like to know if you are likely to use the, well supported but horribly slow, virtualbox provider or if a different provider would suffice (e.g. docker container or libvirt/KVM) and I'd then give you corresponding instructions on how to configure that virtualisation scheme. |
| 08:53.14 | debdeb | babilen: well, as sandbox environments for developing web apps. I like that I can keep it separate from the desktop |
| 08:54.01 | babilen | Sure, would you mind if I /msg you? I don't necessarily want to derail this channel with a discussion that has little to do with Debian support. |
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| 08:55.57 | debdeb | Sure thing |
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| 08:58.27 | debdeb | babilen: oh read your explanation just now. Yeah that'd be great. I usually use virtualbox |
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| 09:24.35 | debdeb | After adding backports, I should get not virtualbox 4.1.x but at least 4.2, right? |
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| 09:49.20 | froken_longstock | debian stable supports docker correct? |
| 09:50.13 | SynrGy | it has been said that docker works on stable (though there are no packages in debian for it), yes |
| 09:50.17 | SynrGy | ,v docker |
| 09:50.18 | judd | Package: docker on i386 -- wheezy: 1.4-5; squeeze: 1.4-5; sid: 1.5-1; jessie: 1.5-1 |
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| 09:50.23 | SynrGy | oh |
| 09:50.26 | SynrGy | there are. sorry |
| 09:50.52 | froken_longstock | thanks |
| 09:50.55 | SynrGy | not sure where i got that impression. must've been thinking of something else |
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| 09:57.28 | phatypus | hello. can someone help me add logging to the RATE-LIMIT-1 rule here: http://paste.debian.net/115866/ |
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| 10:01.00 | debdeb | What does it mean to get a package from "upstream"? |
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| 10:04.03 | debdeb | With -t wheezy-backports, the main installed package had older version but some dependencies had newer... Confused |
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| 10:11.30 | nachos | Hi, how do I disable the BREAK/PAUSE key in my terminal? I've tried stty ignbrk but it's done nothing |
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| 10:14.53 | nachos | clear |
| 10:14.56 | nachos | sorry. |
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| 10:39.38 | rgr | I have an annoying remnant from an LVM setup from years ago. LVM is now removed and previous to removing it I had disabled the init.d lvm service to try and remove the following boot glitch : When I boot I get 'unable to find lvm volume "development"' and then it says it skipping mounting development/swap_1. Any suggestions as to what's referencing this long gone volume : it's right at the start of the "visible" boot sequence. I |
| 10:39.38 | rgr | grepped through grub files for "development" and nothing there. |
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| 10:42.04 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys where does Debian with xfce keep themes in /usr/share/themes folder? |
| 10:42.09 | Psil0Cybin | or in the .themes home folder? |
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| 10:45.17 | rgr | I doubt themes installed *with* xfce are magically stored in your home directory. |
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| 10:45.36 | Psil0Cybin | not installed with themes i would download and unpackage |
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| 10:46.05 | musca | yes, and users can't put anything outside their home |
| 10:47.27 | Psil0Cybin | alright so where would i place the thmes i download off the internet for xfce? |
| 10:47.36 | Psil0Cybin | I know in ubuntu they are placecd in .themes, and .icons |
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| 10:48.38 | musca | Psil0Cybin: sounds legit |
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| 10:48.57 | Psil0Cybin | does it |
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| 10:50.37 | rgr | Im amazed if you can find them to download there are no instructions as to where to put them. |
| 10:51.36 | rgr | Oh there is. Surprise. http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes |
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| 10:53.31 | Psil0Cybin | most guides are for ubuntu and state to place it in .themes, but i did find it my self previously in /usr/share/themes just wanted to make sure that was the only location but thank you rgr for the link! |
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| 10:54.42 | foo | I updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice nothing is getting logged in syslog or messages in /var/log - did something change here that I missed? |
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| 10:57.23 | debdeb | My Gnome 3 fails to load. I have Asus Gtx760. Where do I get a suitable driver? |
| 10:59.49 | sexyboy | debdeb: what is your debian release? |
| 11:00.22 | debdeb | it's wheezy |
| 11:00.43 | sexyboy | what's the nvidia driver you have installed? |
| 11:01.12 | sexyboy | is it nouveau or the nvidia blob? if the blob then which version? |
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| 11:03.10 | debdeb | sexyboy: how do i check that? |
| 11:03.29 | sexyboy | well if you don't know then you have nouveau |
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| 11:04.08 | sexyboy | i'd recommend adding the backports with non-free section and using the newest nvidia blob available from there |
| 11:04.22 | sexyboy | !backports |
| 11:04.23 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 11:04.53 | sexyboy | the nvidia driver is propetiary but still is the best on linux |
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| 11:08.06 | debdeb | Right, I have a bunch of nvidia-* in my apt cache. Which one do I need? |
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| 11:09.14 | sexyboy | debdeb: nvidia-glx |
| 11:09.33 | sexyboy | but i assure you that it would be better to grab the backported version |
| 11:10.06 | sexyboy | i'm usure does 30.4.117 work with gtx7600 |
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| 11:10.10 | sexyboy | 760* |
| 11:10.14 | sexyboy | unsure* |
| 11:10.28 | sexyboy | okay, let me rephrase |
| 11:10.29 | debdeb | Yes, I am using -t wheezy-backports. Btw, how do I make this flag default? |
| 11:11.01 | sexyboy | better don't unless you want to upgrade half of your system with backports |
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| 11:11.32 | sexyboy | if you really do want then use pinning |
| 11:11.35 | sexyboy | !pinning |
| 11:11.35 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 11:12.10 | tete_ | can i somehow check if grub is installed? i am facing evil problems getting my raid1 on /boot working. when i restart there is nothing, no grub, just the message "please insert a boot disc..." the standard stuff from my bios |
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| 11:12.22 | tete_ | it is a mdadm raid |
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| 11:12.51 | debdeb | sexyboy: okay maybe explicit is better there |
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| 11:16.22 | sexyboy | debdeb: remember to reboot |
| 11:16.42 | heurist | tete_: file -s /dev/sda will tell you if grub is in the mbr of sda |
| 11:16.46 | sexyboy | and generate xorg.cong with nvidia-xconfig optionally |
| 11:16.51 | sexyboy | xorg.conf* |
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| 11:19.06 | debdeb | sexyboy: rebooted and no X |
| 11:19.14 | sexyboy | generate xorg.conf |
| 11:19.23 | sexyboy | nvidia-xconfig |
| 11:19.28 | sexyboy | and start X |
| 11:19.57 | sexyboy | also make sure that the nvidia kernel module is loaded with lsmod |
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| 11:21.33 | sexyboy | and that there is no nouveau loaded |
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| 11:28.36 | debdeb | from xorg log: failed to load the nvidia kernel module |
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| 11:31.13 | tete_ | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/crypto-root on /target/ failed: Invalid argument - can someone help me? i was able to do that before i did a grub-install on sd(a,b,c) |
| 11:31.29 | tete_ | dev/mapper/crypto-root: UUID="77215e96-bece-4b1d-861f-a647d060ea1b" TYPE="ext4" |
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| 11:36.07 | MY123 | debdeb: Did you install the kernel module ? Nvidia-kernel* ? |
| 11:36.19 | sexyboy | debdeb: upgrade your kernel |
| 11:36.31 | sexyboy | debdeb: from backports |
| 11:37.01 | sexyboy | debdeb: and rebuild nvidia-glx if apt wont do that by itself, i'm unsure does apt do that |
| 11:37.17 | sexyboy | of course you need to reboot after upgrading the kernel |
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| 11:51.08 | babilen | debdeb: Please follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports but also install the headers from backports if you have that kernel installed. |
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| 11:51.47 | babilen | debdeb: That is in step three you also use "-t wheezy-backports" (and it is not a good idea to do that by default) |
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| 11:58.55 | debdeb | babilen: I have 3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 as well as the headers. I more or less did the things on that list (but followed other things people suggested before) |
| 11:59.51 | debdeb | My kern.log contains "nvidia: module license "NVIDIA" taints kernel." as well as "Unknown symbol acpi_os_wait_events_complete" multiple times |
| 12:00.53 | babilen | debdeb: Well, depending on what you followed before those things might interfere. Those messages are alright. Did you make sure to create a configuration file as detailed in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration ? |
| 12:01.25 | sexyboy | debdeb: very odd |
| 12:01.34 | rgr | I have an annoying remnant from an LVM setup from years ago. LVM is now removed and previous to removing it I had disabled the init.d lvm service to try and remove the following boot glitch : When I boot I get 'unable to find lvm volume "development"' and then it says it skipping mounting development/swap_1. Any suggestions as to what's referencing this long gone volume : it's right at the start of the "visible" boot sequence. I |
| 12:01.34 | rgr | grepped through grub files for "development" and nothing there. |
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| 12:02.00 | sexyboy | debdeb: sounds like a bug, might be work poking the bugtracker |
| 12:02.10 | babilen | ... |
| 12:02.11 | sexyboy | woth* |
| 12:02.14 | sexyboy | worth* |
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| 12:02.25 | babilen | debdeb: What is the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
| 12:02.27 | debdeb | babilen: yes I did. Now I tried to boot using the default kernel and X is fine now. Even Gnome 3 seems to be loaded fine 0_o |
| 12:02.28 | BaT- | rgr: What does 'lvs' show? |
| 12:02.39 | debdeb | babilen: it was gnome 3 failing to load |
| 12:02.50 | rgr | BaT-: no volume groups found. |
| 12:02.56 | debdeb | default kernel was 3.2.x |
| 12:02.57 | babilen | If only I had pointed out that documentation yesterday :) |
| 12:03.10 | babilen | debdeb: Okay, so all is fine now? |
| 12:03.34 | rgr | I loaded up the LVM gui too and it showed nothing. This is some dangling artifact somewhere somehow :) |
| 12:03.47 | debdeb | I guess? But I have newer kernels sitting there useless. I should probably remove them, right? (for now) |
| 12:04.19 | babilen | debdeb: Wait, so it works if you boot 3.2 but it doesn't work if you boot your 3.14 kernel? |
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| 12:05.06 | rgr | debdeb: you have installed nvidia-glx? DKMS takes care of building the correct nvidia drivers when the kernel changes. You dont need to to regress - thats rubbish. |
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| 12:05.16 | debdeb | babilen: <boots back to 3.14...> Yes |
| 12:05.34 | babilen | So you can confirm that the driver is apparently not working on 3.14 ? |
| 12:05.35 | tete_ | i created a raid5 on sd(a,b,c) and then used guided partitioning, the layout looked ok to me. when i want to finish the install (install grub to a partition) it fails |
| 12:05.48 | BaT- | rgr: And 'lvscan --all'? |
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| 12:06.02 | rgr | No Volume Groups Found |
| 12:06.02 | tete_ | the installer showed me some drives, sd(a,b,c) to install, so i selected sda but that failed... anyone an idea how to do that? |
| 12:06.19 | debdeb | rgr: I don't quite understand. Maybe I didn't let dkms building the stuff? |
| 12:06.30 | rgr | you dont have a choice it just does it. |
| 12:06.41 | BaT- | rgr: Weird. and if you remove/rename /etc/lvm? |
| 12:07.10 | babilen | debdeb: So: "Yes it is not working with 3.14" ? |
| 12:07.13 | debdeb | babilen: Well, I cannot confirm if I have installed the kernel/headers correctly, so |
| 12:07.31 | rgr | tried that. still get the message at boot. I only just reinstalled lvm so that I could use the tools similar to what you suggested. its driving me nuts because I just DD'd over to a nice new highspec machine and figured it was time to iron out a few legacy boot hiccups. |
| 12:08.04 | rgr | debdeb: answer the Q - does it boot to a graphical desktop with that kernel? |
| 12:08.13 | babilen | debdeb: Okay, please run "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" and "dkms status" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 12:08.14 | tete_ | http://pastebin.com/a09KYH5H |
| 12:08.21 | debdeb | babilen: maybe I need to reinstall the newer kernels and try again |
| 12:08.32 | rgr | you need to answer the Qs babilen is asking you. |
| 12:08.40 | babilen | Yeah, that would be a start :) |
| 12:08.50 | debdeb | babilen: ok |
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| 12:09.06 | rgr | stop talking about newer kernels and headers etc when you dont understand thenm ;) You will in turn but finding the problem is an orderly sequence of Qs :))) |
| 12:09.08 | BaT- | rgr: pvdisplay/vgdisplay show nothing also? |
| 12:09.13 | rgr | nope |
| 12:09.42 | rgr | pcvdisplay : nothing, vgdisplay : no volume groups found |
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| 12:12.02 | rgr | I also grepped the init.d dir for "development" (the volume name it cant find) and nowt there either. |
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| 12:12.35 | BaT- | rgr: And anything in /dev/mapper/ ? |
| 12:13.01 | rgr | I knew that would be the next Q :) Just "control". |
| 12:13.24 | BaT- | Weird |
| 12:13.58 | debdeb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115884/ |
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| 12:14.16 | BaT- | An you did run update-grub2? |
| 12:14.39 | rgr | its a freshly installed grub after a dd from the new machine. |
| 12:14.46 | rgr | old machine |
| 12:14.55 | rgr | (ie since lvm was long gone) |
| 12:15.27 | rgr | oh but wait, maybe the dd copied the config files (of course it does). I'll try an update. |
| 12:15.40 | rgr | brb |
| 12:16.08 | babilen | debdeb: Interesting - You seem to have done something fishy there (probably due to bad advice given to you). Would you mind running "apt-get --purge autoremove linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64" "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-headers-amd64" and then "dkms status" again? |
| 12:16.16 | tete_ | no one here who can help me getting this sh*t working? this is driving me crazy... it can't be that hard to install debian on a mdadm raid :E |
| 12:16.55 | babilen | debdeb: Oh, make that "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" |
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| 12:17.36 | Walex2 | tete_: it can be done but you hacve to do it exactly right, because there is a an egg-and-chicken problem |
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| 12:17.50 | rgr | BaT-: nope. update-grub didnt solve it either. |
| 12:18.03 | babilen | debdeb: Feel free to show the output of those commands |
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| 12:19.18 | tete_ | Walex2, i did at least 10 installations with different configurations, tried to create a raid1 for /boot, with and without UEFI, ... no way, now i thought ok, lets use the guided partitioning, so i created a raid 5 and let the installer do everything |
| 12:19.30 | tete_ | but still it fails, but this is the installer which did everything, how can this fail? |
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| 12:20.24 | debdeb | babilen: ok http://paste.debian.net/115886/ |
| 12:20.25 | BaT- | rgr: out of ideas :( |
| 12:20.36 | Walex2 | tete_: evene the guided install is not fully automatic. |
| 12:20.48 | Walex2 | tete_: it rwquires you to make the right choices |
| 12:21.05 | tete_ | you mean the naming of the lvm? |
| 12:21.10 | Walex2 | tete_: do you understand well how the boot loader works and how Linux boots once loaded? |
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| 12:21.27 | Walex2 | tete_: and the role of the 'initrd'? |
| 12:21.50 | tete_ | i did not write the bootloader, so i can not know how exactly it works, but i am familiar with bootloaders on embedded devices as i worked a couple of years in that segment |
| 12:21.53 | rgr | yeah me too. Bah. |
| 12:22.01 | tete_ | i know initrd and what it is for |
| 12:22.11 | babilen | debdeb: What exactly did you do with the nvidia module? |
| 12:22.16 | rgr | uh oh... |
| 12:22.18 | debdeb | babilen: manually removed the dir and http://paste.debian.net/115887/ |
| 12:22.27 | tete_ | you mean that the driver for the raid5 is not loaded? |
| 12:22.43 | debdeb | babilen: what do you mean? :-) |
| 12:22.45 | Walex2 | tete_: it depends what you want to do. |
| 12:23.07 | tete_ | i just want to boot debian on a raid (prefered 5), thats all i want :) |
| 12:23.21 | tete_ | unfortunately i dont have a hardware raid |
| 12:23.32 | Walex2 | tete_: "boot debian" is a not a technical term... |
| 12:24.01 | Walex2 | tete_: let me therefore ask: do you want the '/boot' directory to be on RAID5? |
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| 12:24.08 | tete_ | i prefer that, yes, if somehow possible |
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| 12:24.12 | tete_ | but it seems like thats impossible |
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| 12:24.41 | babilen | debdeb: Well, you shouldn't have to manually remove that directly and messages such as "rmdir: failed to remove `': No such file or directory" aren't exactly what I'd like to see. Okay, please run "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*nvidia*' 'linux-*'" and paste that. |
| 12:25.47 | Walex2 | tete_: it is entirely possible if you can find a boot loaded that can read RAID5 volumes :-) |
| 12:25.58 | Walex2 | tete_: have you found one? :-) |
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| 12:26.10 | Walex2 | tete_: it is entirely possible if you can find a boot loade*r* that can read RAID5 volumes :-) |
| 12:26.13 | babilen | debdeb: I also see that you couldn't get rid of vbox, but meh |
| 12:26.20 | babilen | dislikes vbox |
| 12:26.27 | tete_ | i thought grub2 can handle all kinds of raids |
| 12:26.39 | debdeb | babilen: vagrant had vbox with it |
| 12:26.52 | tete_ | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28443/does-grub2-support-putting-boot-on-a-raid5-partition |
| 12:27.04 | tete_ | or did this guy lie? |
| 12:27.14 | rgr | of course you can boot with raid. |
| 12:27.24 | debdeb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115888/ |
| 12:28.29 | babilen | debdeb: That's not the command I gave you. I explicitly asked for it to be prefixed with "COLUMNS=200" |
| 12:28.55 | Walex2 | tete_: that would be very nice :-) In theory it can, but the setup is very tricky and you should do it yourself. |
| 12:29.01 | babilen | debdeb: And you seem to have manually installed some conflicting packages. |
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| 12:29.13 | tete_ | Walex2, i tried to do it myself but totaly lost |
| 12:29.26 | debdeb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115889/ |
| 12:29.36 | tete_ | i was having it so far that the install said "jop grub2 is installed" but it simply was not |
| 12:29.47 | debdeb | babilen: :/ probably |
| 12:30.26 | tete_ | and as mentioned, it was much more than 10 times i installed debian now with different setups (partition layouts) and never got it working |
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| 12:30.48 | tete_ | either the grub installer simply refused to install anything, or it was saying it would have been installed but it was not (bios complains that no boot disc was found) |
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| 12:31.16 | Walex2 | tete_: then perhaps you might want to consider doing "advanced" stuff when you have a deeper understanding of the technical issues involved... |
| 12:31.29 | rgr | it sounds to me like you should forget raid for now since you clearly are not familiar with installing debian even the easy way. |
| 12:31.32 | tete_ | Walex2, so you mean i should start reading the c code? |
| 12:31.41 | myier | happy anniversary debian! |
| 12:31.43 | rgr | wtf?! |
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| 12:31.55 | Walex2 | tete_: not really, but have a very close understanding of how boot and partitioning and RAID work |
| 12:32.09 | Walex2 | tete_: for example, I found this guide: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#Booting_from_LVM.2C_RAID_and.2For_Encrypted_Volumes |
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| 12:32.19 | babilen | debdeb: So, lets clean up a little bit: Run "apt-get --purge autoremove linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-common nvidia-xconfig" -- You also haven't elaborated on my earlier question regarding: How did you configure Xorg to use the nvidia driver |
| 12:32.23 | rgr | oh for goodness sake : stop making it out to be some mystical art. There are numerous step by step blogs and how tos. |
| 12:32.26 | myier | oh I did one like that |
| 12:32.34 | Walex2 | tete_: which also says "Booting from RAID Array |
| 12:32.36 | Walex2 | The documentation on this subject, along with booting from encrypted physical volumes, is close to null." |
| 12:32.56 | tete_ | rgr, i installed slackware 2.x where you have to define cylinders/sectors and other evil stuff during install, now you want to tell me that i am not able to install debian "the easy way" ? lol... |
| 12:33.07 | myier | do you have a fully encrypted disk? |
| 12:33.13 | tete_ | yes full encrypted lvm |
| 12:33.16 | debdeb | babilen: I used nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:33.17 | tete_ | but /boot isnt |
| 12:33.18 | myier | I have too |
| 12:33.31 | myier | what's your problem |
| 12:33.41 | tete_ | grub is not installed in mbr |
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| 12:34.12 | babilen | debdeb: Oh, thats not good. Please remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf it generated and follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration (I linked that earlier for a reason) |
| 12:34.18 | tete_ | i created a raid5 with mdadm and told the partitioning guide to do a regular install, i come up to the step where to install the grub loader, but then it fails |
| 12:34.19 | Walex2 | rgr: "step by step" guides assume that nothing every goes wrong and the configuration of the target system is exactly identical to that of the guide. |
| 12:34.25 | tete_ | http://pastebin.com/a09KYH5H |
| 12:34.27 | tete_ | thats the pastebin |
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| 12:35.02 | tete_ | i also tried those configs: raid1(/boot)raid5(/encrypted_lvm), raid5(/boot)raid5(/encrypted_lvm) |
| 12:35.08 | tete_ | with and without gpt |
| 12:35.25 | tete_ | even with different FS types (for /boot) |
| 12:35.38 | tete_ | i also tried different meta data versions (0.9 and 1.2) |
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| 12:35.52 | Walex2 | tete_: the problem is that not every possible install configuration is equally easy to understand and setup. There is nothing mystical about it, just a requirement for in depth knowledge of how things work. |
| 12:36.00 | myier | the problem is that the /boot is not found, isn't it? |
| 12:36.16 | myier | I never used a raid like that, only LVM RAID |
| 12:36.40 | tete_ | myier, depends on the setup :) sometimes it is unable to find /boot, sometimes it does but then the grub is not installed into mbr |
| 12:36.57 | myier | it's installed on /boot? |
| 12:37.05 | myier | instead |
| 12:37.14 | Walex2 | tete_: as to GRUB2 not being "installed into mbr" that again is not very technical terminology. |
| 12:37.42 | aypea[0] | walex2: the mbr bit is. |
| 12:37.54 | Walex2 | tete_: GRUB2 has several different "stages" and only stage1 is installed in the MBR. The other stages are installed elsewhere |
| 12:38.16 | tete_ | Walex2, do you need it more technical? then please take a look at pastebin |
| 12:38.22 | myier | I don't know how grub behaves with mdadm raids |
| 12:38.41 | Walex2 | tete_: I have looked at the pastebin, and it is not very useful... |
| 12:38.54 | tete_ | so what do you need? |
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| 12:39.32 | debdeb | babilen: cleaned up and changed xorg.conf manually as instructed |
| 12:40.34 | myier | tete_: here's the tutorial I used: http://blog.tincho.org/posts/Setting_up_my_server:_re-installing_on_an_encripted_LVM/ |
| 12:40.38 | babilen | debdeb: Okay, so you now have a minimal configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ called 20-nvidia.conf with the shown content there? |
| 12:40.43 | myier | but there's no raid either |
| 12:41.25 | debdeb | babilen: Yes |
| 12:41.26 | tete_ | myier, thanks but thats what i already have |
| 12:41.35 | tete_ | with preboot authentication for encryption over ssh |
| 12:41.50 | tete_ | but that machine should be replaced with the new raid'ed one |
| 12:42.09 | myier | :( |
| 12:42.28 | myier | I'm afraid you're already at a higher level than I am then |
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| 12:42.57 | myier | on the other system, with full disk encryption I use syslinux to boot from USB thumb drive |
| 12:43.03 | myier | that's not helpful either |
| 12:43.04 | tete_ | if someone can help me getting that working i would even pay for that |
| 12:43.08 | babilen | debdeb: Okay, should be alright then. Could you boot into the 3.14 kernel (which one of the two did you try earlier?) |
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| 12:43.54 | debdeb | babilen: just did that no luck |
| 12:44.03 | Walex2 | tete_: the difficulty with what you want to do is that there are many moving parts, and each of them can need custom setup in some way or another. |
| 12:44.23 | Bluewolf | Hi, can the Debian gnome desktop look be changed? |
| 12:44.28 | babilen | debdeb: "no luck" -- what happens if you try that? |
| 12:44.36 | tete_ | Walex2, thanks for that information, but that does not help me. when i have a wizard, and the wizard does crap, then its useless. |
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| 12:44.53 | tete_ | furthermore, i still dont know what you mean |
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| 12:45.15 | debdeb | babilen: no X, in a tty now |
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| 12:45.31 | Brigo | Bluewolf, gnome-tweak-tool |
| 12:45.44 | babilen | debdeb: I was under the impression that the backport driver would work with the backported kernel, but something seems to still be wrong. Okay, could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? Install pastebinit and then run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 12:46.10 | babilen | debdeb: I'll leave soon(ish), but that should at least provide some insight into *why* it is not working. |
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| 12:46.23 | Walex2 | tete_: that is things are however, because there are many, many possible combinations of configurations, and no wizard can be tested in every possible configuration. So some people delivberately restrict options so things can be partially automated. The general UNIX/Linux/Debian attitude is to offer people the option to do really complicated setups, but only support/test/semiautomate the simplest. |
| 12:47.08 | Walex2 | tete_: if it were acceptable to you it would be much easier to setup a boot loader to '/boot' in RAID1, and then the '/' from RAID5. |
| 12:47.09 | debdeb | babilen: that's a useful tool. http://paste.debian.net/115894 |
| 12:47.15 | tete_ | Walex2, sorry but when i have a raid5 (softraid) and then the installer tells me "hey should i do all the stuff so you have an encrypted lvm on that raid which can boot?" and i say "yes please", i assume it should work |
| 12:47.26 | tete_ | Walex2, thanks but i already had this configuration |
| 12:47.40 | Bluewolf | Brigo: That simple to change the interface look completely. Is it possible to get it looking like Linux Mint Cinnamon (The Menu that is) without installing Cinnamon? |
| 12:47.43 | tete_ | with gpt and w/o, i also had /boot primary and logical, no difference |
| 12:48.00 | Walex2 | tete_: sure, you can assume everything, but whether a bunch of volunteers have actually tested and fixxed every possible combination of options. |
| 12:48.13 | Brigo | Bluewolf, i doubt it, but you can try to install cinnamon. |
| 12:48.40 | tete_ | Walex2, imo this is not such a exotic combination |
| 12:48.41 | Brigo | Bluewolf, mmm, only in sid. |
| 12:48.45 | Walex2 | tete_: and why do you want to change things away from '/boot' on RAID1 and '/' on RAID5 or whatever? |
| 12:49.15 | Bluewolf | Brigo: "only in sid"? |
| 12:49.17 | Walex2 | tete_: perhaps you should spend some time in a distribution testing team :-) |
| 12:49.19 | tete_ | i would love to have / on raid5, but i could live with /boot at raid1 and / on raid5... i have read that grub has problems with booting raid5 |
| 12:49.21 | babilen | debdeb: Okay, so it failed to load the kernel module for some reason. You might want to reinstall that (i.e. reinstall "nvidia-kernel-dkms" which should trigger a recompile) |
| 12:49.37 | Brigo | Bluewolf, cinnamon package is only in sid repo :/ |
| 12:49.51 | tete_ | but those problems should be fixed in grub 1.99p25 or such |
| 12:49.53 | babilen | debdeb: I'll go and enjoy some sunshine now while it lasts and will be back later. All the best! |
| 12:49.55 | Bluewolf | Brigo, Which means? |
| 12:50.14 | debdeb | babilen: Ok, thanks for all! |
| 12:50.20 | Walex2 | tete_: one big advnatage of '/boot' onm RAID1, is that if done right RAID1 does not look different from a plain partition as far as the bootloader is xconcerned. |
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| 12:50.41 | tete_ | didnt know that, how comes? |
| 12:51.12 | Brigo | Bluewolf, you cannot install cinnamon in wheezy, easely |
| 12:51.21 | Brigo | Bluewolf, you cannot install cinnamon in wheezy easely |
| 12:51.29 | Walex2 | tete_: if the RAID1 superblock is at the end of the partition... |
| 12:51.43 | tete_ | so depends on the metadata version |
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| 12:52.05 | tete_ | but on raid5 i also have different metadata |
| 12:52.10 | Walex2 | tete_: anyhow whether '/' is on RAID or not is an issue that involved only the booted kernel and the 'initrd'. |
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| 12:52.48 | Walex2 | tete_: and opening a '/' of whatever shape or form is thus just a matter of setting up the 'initrd' right. |
| 12:52.57 | Bluewolf | Brigo, Okay thanks, know of how I could get the menu to look the same or is that out of the question as well? |
| 12:53.08 | Walex2 | tete_: the real complication is to ensure that the bootloeader can boot the kernele and 'initrd' from '/boot'. |
| 12:53.17 | Brigo | Bluewolf, can you show me a picture? :) |
| 12:53.28 | tete_ | Walex2, sorry but when i do a grub-install and it says "everything fine" i assume it boots |
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| 12:54.06 | Walex2 | tete_: you are welcome to join the Debian-installer testing team and help ensure it is totally bug-free regardless of how complicated things are. |
| 12:54.48 | tete_ | i can do that, i spent so much time, so many different setups... if i would have made notices i could for sure create a ton of bugreports :P |
| 12:54.52 | rgr | tete_: do you even know what "metadata" means when you're throwing it around like this? |
| 12:55.06 | Walex2 | rgr: he has showns he knows at least that. |
| 12:55.09 | tete_ | rgr, yes |
| 12:55.32 | Walex2 | rgr: he correctly linked "superblock" with "metadata" and spoke about 1.2 etc. :-) |
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| 12:55.57 | rgr | It sounds awfully like you're just banging a steel drum and hoping it'll turn into a golden crown. Slow down. Read the instructions. debian installer is not "full of bugs" at all. You sound like you havent got a clue what you're talking about to be honest. |
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| 12:56.20 | Walex2 | tete_: you know there is a marked for experienced and insigthful sysadms because "wizards" cannot automate everything :-) |
| 12:56.25 | tete_ | rgr, the problem is that my hardware is here for nearly 2 weeks and it seems impossible getting /boot on a raid |
| 12:56.40 | tete_ | and imo this can't be that hard, thats why i am a little bit pissed |
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| 12:56.50 | Walex2 | tete_: it can be instead quite hard... |
| 12:57.28 | Walex2 | tete_: how comfortable are you with writing custom GRUB2 scripts for example? |
| 12:57.39 | tete_ | never wrote custom grub2 scripts |
| 12:57.46 | Bluewolf | Brigo: I sent you a PM |
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| 12:57.57 | tete_ | i am java dev, hobby admin, and was coding C for about 5 years at work |
| 12:58.03 | tete_ | but thats nearly 10 years ago ;) |
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| 12:58.21 | Brigo | Bluewolf, yes, and you should not :) |
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| 12:58.38 | Brigo | Bluewolf, i am not sure about that menu, but it looks like kde. |
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| 12:59.26 | Bluewolf | Brigo: Sorry for the offense of the pm. The menu is from Linux Mint 14 Nadia Cinnamon |
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| 13:00.10 | Walex2 | tete_: that's better than nothing, so you should be aware that it is not at all a trivial situation. |
| 13:00.15 | Walex2 | tete_: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17481/grub2-raid-boot/17492#17492 |
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| 13:00.52 | Walex2 | tete_: I just scanned the previous link and it seems a reasonable desceription of how things should be. How much of that do you undestand already? |
| 13:00.56 | Brigo | Bluewolf, no ofense, pm is not gg |
| 13:01.32 | Brigo | Bluewolf, no ofense, pm are not good for you. Other people could see the screenshot and know the ask. :) |
| 13:02.49 | Brigo | Bluewolf, but not me. Sorry. May be you can ask in cinnamon channel from where they get their menu. May be this menu is from their own. So you will need cinnamon. |
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| 13:03.20 | Walex2 | tete_: also note from the previous links I gave that GRUB2 needs a lot more space for its stages than the standard 63 sectors in old-style partition tables, so check that the first partition begins at sector 2048 as by default with newer versions of 'fdisk' (or 'gdisk') |
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| 13:03.47 | tete_ | ok should be possible, will follow that post |
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| 13:04.36 | Walex2 | tete_: the key in that post I think is to ensure that the 'raid' and 'mdraid' GRUB2 modules are loaded, and there is the right "map" command in the GRUB2 boot script |
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| 13:04.48 | Bluewolf | Brigo, It's okay I was just wondering :D |
| 13:05.12 | Brigo | Bluewolf, me too :) |
| 13:05.14 | Walex2 | tete_: the Gentoo page I linked too also points out that the there are two GRUB2 'mdraid' modules, one for old-style and one for new-style superblocks/metadata. |
| 13:05.16 | tete_ | yes... probably thats the problem, grub did not find any raid module and therefore simply skipped, then my bios default loader came and was asking for a boot disc... |
| 13:05.19 | tete_ | could imagine something like that |
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| 13:05.38 | tete_ | at least if there would be some kind of grub prompt, i would know it has been installed.. |
| 13:05.54 | tete_ | or a fallback to busybox |
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| 13:06.05 | tete_ | anyway i will follow that guide in the link and see if i can get it working |
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| 13:07.19 | samugc47 | Hi all. I'am having problems with steam on debian jessie since the last update. I get Error: OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems. common bug? |
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| 13:07.46 | Walex2 | tete_: GRUB2 is kind of a mini-kernel/mini-OS that needs its own modules, shell and scripts to boot other stuff |
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| 13:07.55 | samugc47 | sorry, i am using nouveau driver for my nvidia |
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| 13:08.34 | Walex2 | samugc47: for people testing unreleased versions there is #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org |
| 13:09.14 | samugc47 | sorry |
| 13:09.39 | brick_ | should i use ; or \n in my script http://pastebin.com/aXvLdg6S |
| 13:10.27 | brick_ | or "\n |
| 13:11.25 | tete_ | it is a command, so should be ; |
| 13:11.34 | tete_ | to separate commands use ; |
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| 13:11.52 | tete_ | to have a newline in a file use the escape sequences |
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| 13:14.22 | Walex2 | samugc47: part odf the reason for redirecting to the appropriate channel is that things can change quite a bit on unreleased packages, and mot people do not read the changelogs :-) |
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| 13:15.10 | __martin__ | HAPPY 21st BIRTHDAY DEBIAN PROJECT! Greetings from Slovakia. |
| 13:16.30 | brick_ | i think its up to the syntax for ssh |
| 13:17.15 | samugc47 | Yeah sorry, i thought i am on debian-next. haha my problem |
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| 13:21.23 | wald0 | how i can boot my 32-bit system with a 64-bit kernel ? is this easy or i need to do a lot of tricks ? |
| 13:21.30 | gnugr | brick_: sshpass -p 'password' ssh user@example.com (where is the passwd?) -p needs password |
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| 13:22.12 | heurist | wald0: it is easy, but you need real magic, so not possible for us mortals. |
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| 13:24.00 | dontknow | i installed tumbler-plugins-extra and ffmpegthumbnailer. i can't get video thumbnails with these packages in thunar. xfce4 |
| 13:24.25 | wald0 | heurist: so it is easy or not ? :) |
| 13:24.35 | heurist | wald0: not possible. |
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| 13:24.46 | brick_ | if you see in the script the password is passed with $3 |
| 13:24.47 | wald0 | well if im not wrong i just need to install the 64-bit kernel and... which other "make the system compatible" package? |
| 13:24.47 | dontknow | i don't remember what packages i must install. help! |
| 13:25.05 | brick_ | the script creates a script named getlogs.sh |
| 13:25.17 | wald0 | seriously? theres no ia32-libs package or something like this that makes the system simply "accepted and working"? |
| 13:25.19 | brick_ | which accepts $1 $2 $3 as variables |
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| 13:25.43 | heurist | wald0: what do you mean 32bit system? if your hardware is 32bit only you can not run 64bit. |
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| 13:26.10 | wald0 | no no, my hardware is 64 too, but i want to use the OS as 32-bit mode, not 64 |
| 13:26.25 | wald0 | im playing with uefi and seems like to use uefi im forced to boot in a 64-bit kernel |
| 13:26.43 | wald0 | but i still want to use my 32 bit kernel, also, seems like with a 64-bit kernel it has some advantages |
| 13:26.48 | themill | you can install and run an amd64 kernel with an i386 user space |
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| 13:38.40 | smartass | hi, is there some daemon that would assign processes to processes namespaces (or cgroups) based on some rules, e.g. the path of the excutable? |
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| 13:42.01 | dontknow | anyone use wicd? |
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| 13:44.30 | dontknow | does wicd-daemon.py and monitor.py works as root in you setup? |
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| 13:44.41 | dontknow | your* |
| 13:45.15 | brick_ | i don't use wicd from command line |
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| 13:45.39 | dontknow | brick_, can you check with htop or something else |
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| 13:46.11 | brick_ | yeah those run as root normally |
| 13:46.30 | brick_ | as well as monitor.py |
| 13:46.53 | brick_ | wicd-client.py runs as my user |
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| 13:48.07 | dontknow | brick_, yes wicd-client.py runs as user in my pc as well |
| 13:48.54 | brick_ | wpa supplicant runs as root using files from the /var/lib/wicd |
| 13:49.19 | brick_ | yours do that? |
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| 13:52.17 | dontknow | brick_, i don't have that one |
| 13:52.32 | dontknow | maybe because using cable |
| 13:53.00 | brick_ | it would only be used if you had an active wpa wpa2 connection |
| 13:53.13 | dontknow | brick_, you use xfce? |
| 13:53.26 | brick_ | yes |
| 13:53.40 | dontknow | brick_, do you get video thumbnails in thunar? |
| 13:54.18 | dontknow | brick_, also would you like to give me some tips related to xfce :p |
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| 13:54.33 | brick_ | i use it on an atom netbook |
| 13:54.35 | brick_ | works well |
| 13:54.57 | dontknow | for example i get better font rendering by using "ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/11-lcdfilter-default.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/" command |
| 13:55.12 | brick_ | i have no font rendering issues |
| 13:55.19 | brick_ | using intel gpu |
| 13:56.11 | dontknow | brick_, u set font hinting settings etc in xfce |
| 13:56.21 | dontknow | xfce's font setting |
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| 13:59.00 | brick_ | i might be doing that |
| 13:59.40 | brick_ | i don't use any panels on the ui |
| 13:59.59 | brick_ | atom is weak and i try to keep it light |
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| 15:32.58 | Gatis | Hi! WHere can i download Debian Lenny 5? |
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| 15:35.28 | sexyboy | Gatis: https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/ |
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| 15:36.19 | edoardo | hello |
| 15:36.33 | sexyboy | ah no, it's not there anymore |
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| 15:38.28 | Gatis | Why Debian have so many ISO? |
| 15:38.31 | Gatis | sexyboy, it's there |
| 15:38.36 | f14 | . Gatis |
| 15:38.43 | Gatis | https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 15:38.45 | edoardo | Gatis, because freedom |
| 15:38.56 | f14 | eso es edoardo |
| 15:38.56 | heurist | Gatis: http://archive.debian.org/ has everything |
| 15:38.57 | f14 | eso es edoardo |
| 15:39.27 | edoardo | no habla espanol amigo |
| 15:39.36 | f14 | okis edoardo |
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| 15:39.46 | f14 | yo hablo ingles tambien edoardo |
| 15:39.49 | f14 | y español |
| 15:39.54 | heurist | !es |
| 15:39.54 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 15:39.54 | edoardo | y non capisce |
| 15:40.12 | edoardo | !it |
| 15:40.13 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:40.15 | edoardo | cool! |
| 15:40.27 | Gatis | Sould i use Net installer or CS iso? |
| 15:40.30 | edoardo | the italian message is more friendly however |
| 15:40.37 | sexyboy | yeah it's there |
| 15:40.38 | f14 | dejenlo |
| 15:40.40 | edoardo | Gatis, i prefer netinstaller |
| 15:40.41 | f14 | les entiendo |
| 15:40.41 | tensorpudding | Gatis: How fast is your Internet connection? |
| 15:40.45 | f14 | os leere |
| 15:40.47 | f14 | gracias |
| 15:40.52 | f14 | thanks a lot |
| 15:40.55 | sexyboy | kde3 reporting in |
| 15:40.58 | Gatis | hmmm 100mb/s |
| 15:41.18 | edoardo | Gatis, go with netinst then |
| 15:41.21 | tensorpudding | sexyboy: KDE 3? Dinosaur. |
| 15:41.25 | sexyboy | XD |
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| 15:41.38 | sexyboy | still better than 4 imo |
| 15:42.01 | edoardo | if you want to install debian on your desktop/laptop i think the jessie iso is better |
| 15:42.15 | abrotman | Gatis: why would you want Lenny? |
| 15:42.16 | edoardo | stable is outdated |
| 15:42.21 | f14 | es mejor windows |
| 15:42.24 | sexyboy | welll lenny is completly outdated |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | edoardo: please stop saying that |
| 15:42.29 | Gatis | abrotman, for proprietary drivers |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | Gatis: uhm, for what? |
| 15:42.35 | f14 | I use windows |
| 15:42.40 | sexyboy | but it has working package set containing kde3 |
| 15:42.48 | f14 | It is fantastic |
| 15:42.54 | Gatis | abrotman it's faster |
| 15:42.55 | abrotman | f14: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 15:42.56 | f14 | Windows seven |
| 15:43.02 | abrotman | Gatis: it's completely insecure |
| 15:43.08 | edoardo | abrotman, b-b-but it's the truth |
| 15:43.09 | Gatis | Why? |
| 15:43.15 | f14 | No I do not abrotman sir |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | edoardo: no, you're making shit up |
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| 15:43.24 | abrotman | f14: then please be quiet |
| 15:43.24 | f14 | thanks por asking |
| 15:43.32 | f14 | okey abrotman |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman | edoardo: it may not work for your needs, that doesn't make it outdated |
| 15:44.07 | edoardo | i said that for a desktop/laptop jessie is better |
| 15:44.15 | edoardo | i use stable on my server |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | that's not always true |
| 15:45.02 | Gatis | it may be outdated but so my pc. :) |
| 15:45.20 | abrotman | Gatis: that likely won't matter, please use Wheezy |
| 15:45.20 | edoardo | Gatis, this is not windows |
| 15:45.48 | Gatis | abrotman but open source drivers are no good for my graphics card |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | Gatis: which video card? |
| 15:45.55 | Gatis | problems watching youtube |
| 15:45.56 | f14 | Bye people |
| 15:46.06 | sexyboy | bai |
| 15:46.06 | f14 | Think of me |
| 15:46.08 | Gatis | abrotman, ATI X1200 RS690 |
| 15:46.09 | f14 | Adios |
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| 15:46.26 | abrotman | Gatis: that card is completely supported by radeon in xorg |
| 15:46.40 | Gatis | it is but performance is pretty bad |
| 15:46.41 | edoardo | it will work perfectly |
| 15:46.51 | abrotman | Gatis: did you install the firmware the card requires? |
| 15:46.55 | Gatis | it works but much worse than proprietary drivers |
| 15:47.00 | abrotman | Gatis: did you install the firmware the card requires? |
| 15:47.05 | Gatis | what firmware? |
| 15:47.09 | abrotman | exactly ... |
| 15:47.18 | edoardo | Gatis, that's not true, i always used the open radeon drivers and they were perfectly |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | Gatis: so let's install wheezy, and do it the right way |
| 15:47.30 | edoardo | i could play games with wine with higher performance than windows |
| 15:47.53 | Gatis | edoardo you don't have so old graphcis card t |
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| 15:48.02 | abrotman | Gatis: Your card work with wheezy, install the firmware |
| 15:48.02 | edoardo | Gatis, yes i do |
| 15:48.08 | abrotman | stop being obtuse |
| 15:48.18 | Gatis | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | Gatis: Install wheezy, install the firmware, it works great |
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| 15:48.31 | Gatis | what firmware? |
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| 15:48.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gatis about radeon firmware |
| 15:48.52 | abrotman | Gatis: Please install wheezy |
| 15:48.57 | edoardo | dpkg, tell edoardo about radeon firmware |
| 15:49.00 | edoardo | i'm also interested |
| 15:49.02 | Gatis | he ATI Radeon 9500-9800, Xpress200-1250, 690G, 740G, X300-X2500 (including Mobility RadeonHD 2300, since it is really a DirectX 9 part). See the complete list here. If your card is on that list, you are limited to open-source drivers on Debian Squeeze/6.0 (and later). If you really need the proprietary Catalyst/fglrx driver, you will have to use Debian Lenny/5.0.x and install Catalyst 9-3. |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell edoardo about selftell |
| 15:49.17 | abrotman | Gatis: that is OLD .. stop reading that |
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| 15:49.28 | edoardo | oh nice |
| 15:49.30 | abrotman | Gatis: Install wheezy, lenny is a *horrible* idea |
| 15:49.30 | edoardo | good to know |
| 15:49.32 | Gatis | don't lie to me |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | Gatis: Fine, do whatever you want .. you're clearly smarter than everyone |
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| 15:49.58 | Gatis | abortman you are making me to install opensource |
| 15:50.04 | Gatis | but it has not good performance |
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| 15:50.10 | abrotman | INSTALL THE FIRMWARE |
| 15:50.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gatis about firmware images |
| 15:50.25 | Gatis | Can you tell me witch firmware please |
| 15:50.30 | abrotman | the bot already did |
| 15:50.48 | Gatis | sorry i didn't get it |
| 15:51.00 | abrotman | yes, you did |
| 15:51.25 | Gatis | are you talking about open source firmware? |
| 15:51.45 | abrotman | Gatis: Have you downloaded the wheezy installer yet? |
| 15:51.55 | edoardo | Gatis, https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 15:52.15 | abrotman | edoardo: NO NO NO |
| 15:52.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:52.22 | edoardo | wtf what? |
| 15:52.31 | edoardo | isn't that the official wiki? |
| 15:53.51 | edoardo | the silence is killing me |
| 15:53.52 | Gatis | i don't et it |
| 15:53.55 | Gatis | but i will try |
| 15:54.00 | abrotman | Gatis: Install wheezy, then we'll help you |
| 15:54.06 | Gatis | ok thanks |
| 15:54.36 | edoardo | why can't i find zsync debian images? |
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| 15:56.42 | Gatis | is dpkg a bot? |
| 15:57.00 | edoardo | Gatis, yes it is |
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| 15:58.13 | Gatis | abrotman do i need to install Debian 7 CD iso or that link dpkg gave me a NET install? |
| 15:58.26 | abrotman | use the netinst if you have broadband |
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| 15:59.10 | edoardo | i like when you have debian mirrors right in your datacenter |
| 15:59.56 | socrambuntu | Hello, I would like to migrate from Linux Mint (Ubuntu) to Debian Wheezy. I have an issue with the laptop Samsung NP530U4B-S02 and the graphics card on Debian based distributions and Debian itself where my graphics card will run at 90ºC on idle. The graphics card is a hybrid combination of Intel HD 3000 and radeon HD 7550M. I was able to circumvent this on Linux Mint by using a kernel parameter that is not available on the Kernel used |
| 15:59.58 | socrambuntu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.46 | edoardo | socrambuntu, what parameter is it? |
| 16:01.25 | sexyboy | eh i think i'm gonna install lenny on the pc for my nephiew |
| 16:01.30 | socrambuntu | edoardo, "radeon.dpm=1" |
| 16:01.43 | sexyboy | let his first experience with linux be good |
| 16:02.00 | socrambuntu | edoardo, I included it in the field "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" on /etc/default/grub |
| 16:02.07 | sexyboy | the pc will boot it fine |
| 16:02.57 | edoardo | sexyboy, debian lenny? that's still beta! a no no if you are in production enviroinment! just use Debian Etch |
| 16:03.10 | sexyboy | XD |
| 16:03.14 | sexyboy | nah, it's about kde3 |
| 16:03.22 | edoardo | socrambuntu, isn't it included in the radeon kernel module? |
| 16:03.31 | sexyboy | i want him to know kde3 |
| 16:03.53 | sexyboy | on the other hand he would probably not care |
| 16:04.02 | sexyboy | s/would/will/ |
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| 16:04.18 | socrambuntu | edoardo, as far as I have read it is only available from Linux kernel 3.11 onward. I do not know what you mean by "radeon kernel module"... |
| 16:04.32 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 16:04.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 16:04.41 | abrotman | socrambuntu: backports has a 3.14.x you can use |
| 16:04.42 | sexyboy | but meh, the wifi card wont owrk on lenny |
| 16:05.11 | edoardo | or just use testing hehe |
| 16:05.35 | jmcnaught | sexyboy: i don't know why you would even consider Lenny which was released in 2009 and stopped getting updates in 2012. |
| 16:05.38 | sexyboy | i could just build a custom kernel |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | He said he wants to use Wheezy ... |
| 16:05.58 | sexyboy | jmcnaught: because package set containing kde3 |
| 16:05.59 | edoardo | is there a testing iso? |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | edoardo: yes |
| 16:06.10 | socrambuntu | edoardo, I would need to rely on stability... which solution would you suggest and why? |
| 16:06.14 | abrotman | edoardo: but it's not for installing testing |
| 16:06.24 | edoardo | socrambuntu, what do you do with your pc? |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | socrambuntu: use wheezy, get the backports kernel |
| 16:07.07 | edoardo | abrotman, what's the iso for installing testing? |
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| 16:07.16 | abrotman | edoardo: install wheezy, dist-upgrade |
| 16:07.26 | socrambuntu | edoardo, everything basically. Except gaming and using demanding media (just radio). |
| 16:07.26 | edoardo | but i have a slow connection |
| 16:07.37 | edoardo | that would be a pain |
| 16:07.51 | edoardo | socrambuntu, then go the abrotman way, wheezy + backports |
| 16:08.19 | abrotman | 10 minutes later .. |
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| 16:08.43 | edoardo | :P |
| 16:09.00 | edoardo | is l o l still banned in this channel? |
| 16:09.00 | socrambuntu | edoardo, would there be any issues when updating the system using apt? or at the time jessie reaches stable? |
| 16:09.38 | edoardo | socrambuntu, why? |
| 16:10.18 | socrambuntu | edoardo, I just need to know if this "backports" method would require extensive administration time or not? |
| 16:10.29 | edoardo | socrambuntu, no |
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| 16:11.19 | socrambuntu | edoardo, thank you for this. Is there anyway to test this without fully installing Debian? I can imagine not... |
| 16:11.47 | edoardo | do you have a spare hdd? |
| 16:12.18 | edoardo | i would swap the internal hdd temporarely with another one to try debian |
| 16:12.25 | edoardo | or just use an external one |
| 16:13.01 | socrambuntu | edoardo, I do have a 500 GB external HDD. Is it possible to install on that system? |
| 16:13.16 | edoardo | yes you can |
| 16:13.44 | edoardo | just configure the bios to boot from usb |
| 16:13.44 | socrambuntu | That's wonderful. Can the Debian installer recognize it or does it require chrooting? |
| 16:14.06 | edoardo | socrambuntu, afaik, it just recognizes it as a normal hdd |
| 16:14.18 | socrambuntu | edoardo, I'll need to sort the BIOS part as well. Mine has a few issues recognizing most usb devices. |
| 16:14.28 | edoardo | do you have a sata port? |
| 16:14.39 | edoardo | you could disassemble the external hdd if you are on the crafty wat |
| 16:14.41 | edoardo | *way |
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| 16:15.48 | socrambuntu | edoardo, it's a laptop device. Are the connectors any different from modern internal disks for desktops? |
| 16:16.12 | socrambuntu | I believe I might have a working spare disk as a last resort. |
| 16:16.38 | heurist | socrambuntu: any reason you can not use a virtual machine? |
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| 16:17.00 | edoardo | socrambuntu, they are standard, so you can use whataver you want as long as it is a sata 2.5 disk |
| 16:17.07 | edoardo | heurist, he needs to test kernel modules |
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| 16:18.03 | socrambuntu | heurist, I thought of that, but the virtualized system would use a different graphics card (as far as Virtualbox is concerned) and the only way I have to test this is battery life and sensor temperature... |
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| 16:19.11 | edoardo | upgrading my server feels good :D |
| 16:19.12 | heurist | socrambuntu: k, if the external drive is sata then it does not matter if it is laptop or not, you can plug it into a desktop with sata ports. |
| 16:19.28 | edoardo | it makes me feel like i have the fastest connection ever |
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| 16:19.58 | socrambuntu | eurist, I will try my USB external HDD first. I will move on to the others as a last resort. |
| 16:20.09 | socrambuntu | Thank you very much! |
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| 16:23.38 | Bluewolf | Hi, How easy is it to install Debain 7.6.0 gnome on a hard drive with Windows 7 being on another. IS the dual boot process difficult? |
| 16:24.06 | edoardo | Bluewolf, grub takes care of that |
| 16:25.19 | Bluewolf | edoardo: Indeed it does but is the installation process simple, by that I mean in comparison to Ubuntu installations and Linux Mint? |
| 16:25.44 | sunny32 | good evening, i am new to debian and messed up my graphic, i can now only boot in recovery mode and in recovery mode it looks like it is not online so i cant download nvidia driver, how can i check which graphic driver is in use and if i can fix noeuveau |
| 16:26.03 | edoardo | Bluewolf, it's basically the same beside the partitioning that doesn't use gparted |
| 16:26.15 | edoardo | but it's still usable |
| 16:26.40 | Bluewolf | edoardo: So there is no installing using commands or anything like that? |
| 16:26.57 | edoardo | Bluewolf, who told you that? :D |
| 16:27.00 | edoardo | http://mvngu.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/08_partman-partition.png |
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| 16:28.25 | Bluewolf | edoardo, I heard it a while back about debian being difficult to install, just want to make sure so that I'm not taking hours installing or trying to find out how to. I need to install quickly :D |
| 16:28.25 | musca | !install guide |
| 16:28.26 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 16:29.06 | abrotman | Bluewolf: I do this now, it's easy |
| 16:29.51 | sunny32 | bluewolf: if you have free space on your hardrive next to your windows its very simple to install debian, but you should be carefull not to delete windows partitions |
| 16:30.24 | Bluewolf | edoardo: My windows hard disk is sda while the Linux one will be sdb. |
| 16:30.50 | Bluewolf | sunny32, I have two hard drives, one windows the other Linux |
| 16:31.09 | edoardo | Bluewolf, so? just go ahead and install it :D |
| 16:31.27 | sunny32 | bluewolf, than its very simple, the graphical installation with debian will guide you, and you have to tell him to use sdb |
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| 16:31.57 | Bluewolf | Do I have to manually make the partitions on that drive or do I simply tell it to install there and put the boot on sda? |
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| 16:32.53 | sunny32 | bluewolf, if sdb is free space and no partition you can tell it to use this free space in it will do the rest afaik |
| 16:33.10 | Bluewolf | Okay |
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| 16:33.16 | sexyboy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/kj8mpw6m5hd90pe/snapshot2.png?dl=0 ok you asked for it |
| 16:34.03 | sunny32 | bluewolf, if you are not sure you can break up the setup, it will ask you if you want if you are sure before it makes the changes on the partitions |
| 16:34.19 | Walex2 | sexyboy: that's a bit encient |
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| 16:34.37 | sexyboy | Walex2: yes it is ll |
| 16:34.38 | sexyboy | lol |
| 16:34.46 | abrotman | Probably better if you just ignore him |
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| 16:35.08 | Bluewolf | Okay now I have an Nvidia Graphics card, where can I get the debian drivers to download so that when its installed there are no issues with my screen using it (Nvidia 240GT) |
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| 16:35.33 | Walex2 | Bluewolf: "no issues" is a bit ambitious :-) |
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| 16:36.02 | jordanm | Bluewolf: the default drivers will work ok for most things without needing to do anything |
| 16:36.08 | jordanm | !tell Bluewolf about nvidia |
| 16:36.20 | sunny32 | bluewolf, if i was you i would first let debian install with its free driver and when its all installed you install nvidia-driver https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports |
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| 16:37.09 | Bluewolf | Okay |
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| 16:38.44 | sexyboy | Bluewolf: the non-free repo for the officiall nvidia propetiary drivers |
| 16:38.45 | sunny32 | can somebody help me with my graphic problem please? i can only start in recovery mode and would like to now which driver its using and how i can fix it |
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| 16:39.16 | Bluewolf | Thanks all for the help |
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| 17:02.45 | tanja___ | I have just installed bind9 on a debian6 as a slave dns but had to change /etc/bind to 777 before it would work, does anyone know how that could be |
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| 17:05.20 | iveevue | Debian 6? Why not 7? |
| 17:05.25 | nkuttler | tanja___: you shouldn't install anything new on squeeze... just keep old stuff running if necessary. permissions.. |
| 17:06.29 | phogg | tanja___: 777 is not necessary, it just needs to be writable by users who need to write it. 775 at most, then make sure the user who wants to write to it is in the group that owns the directory. |
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| 17:06.50 | tanja___ | iveevue: because I have not have time to upgrade yet because I'm testing it this moment in test inviroment to be sure nothing breaks after upgrade, because important things are on that server |
| 17:06.56 | jelly-home | tanja___: what ownerships are permissions do the newly created files in /etc/bind/ have? I thought the transferred zone data should end up in /var/lib/bind |
| 17:07.02 | iveevue | oic |
| 17:07.29 | tanja___ | jelly-home: the owner is root:bind |
| 17:07.49 | jelly-home | tanja___: and permissions? |
| 17:08.26 | tanja___ | drwxr-sr-x |
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| 17:08.33 | tanja___ | was the original |
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| 17:10.14 | jelly-home | I meant on the files. |
| 17:11.53 | tanja___ | jelly-home: just from the log first because I have it in copy paste "named[27963]: dumping master file: /etc/bind/tmp-Vo0j3RViuO: open: permission denied" |
| 17:12.04 | tanja___ | and files are bind:bind |
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| 17:12.47 | jelly-home | tanja___: so it ought to be enough to give write permission to just the bind group |
| 17:12.57 | heurist | tanja___: what user is bind running as? |
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| 17:15.20 | tanja___ | actually cant see bind in htop, but named is running as bind |
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| 17:16.44 | jelly-home | tanja___: get rid of write permission for other, see if it still works |
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| 17:17.14 | tanja___ | jelly-home: so a 775? |
| 17:17.25 | b4tm4n | i cannot ssh to a computer through a wifi connection, if i plug in a ethernet cable it works perfectly, thoughts? |
| 17:17.53 | jelly-home | tanja___: 0775 or 02775 if you want the original setgid intact, yes |
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| 17:18.07 | jelly-home | tanja___: or chmod o-w /etc/bind |
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| 17:18.29 | zh1 | http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3828561/Richard-Stallman-Fights-Latest-Linux-Threat.htm |
| 17:18.31 | zh1 | :( |
| 17:18.48 | heurist | tanja___: named should be running as group bind too. ps -eo user,group,args | grep named should tell you |
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| 17:19.14 | tanja___ | heurist: named is running as bind |
| 17:19.21 | jelly-home | zh1: #debian-offtopic is right over there -> and 2009 was a long time ago |
| 17:20.57 | tanja___ | jelly-home and others thank you very much for the help, it does also work with 02775 |
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| 17:21.31 | tanja___ | and I noticed that because I tryed to delete the slave zones and then restart bind |
| 17:21.41 | tanja___ | and they got created again |
| 17:22.29 | zh1 | jelly-home, is that 2009 fixed? |
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| 17:23.01 | sexyboy | sdss/10 |
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| 17:33.52 | Gatis | Hi i installed Debian Wheezy |
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| 17:34.03 | Gatis | abrotman: hi im from WHeezy |
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| 17:35.53 | Gatis | How do i install ATI X1200 graphics firmware? |
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| 17:38.12 | Gatis | hello? |
| 17:39.19 | jelly-home | !tell Gatis about radeon firmware |
| 17:39.20 | DanDare | Gatis, hello. Package xserver-xorg-video-ati are drivers for ATI cards but you should check if your specific model will work or not from this package |
| 17:39.24 | jelly-home | !tell Gatis about non-free sources |
| 17:39.38 | Gatis | I need proprietary |
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| 17:40.45 | babilen | Gatis: So, read: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 17:41.02 | babilen | Gatis: But then: Why do you need that? |
| 17:41.16 | Gatis | open source driver has worse performance |
| 17:41.42 | Gatis | i have old ATI X1200 video card i might need to use Debian Jenny 5 |
| 17:41.55 | andi_ | hello. i have win7 and ubuntu. at first i installed ubuntu. the wifi worked fine. then i installed win7 and the windows wifi driver. then the wifi didn't work well anymore. is it possible that the firmware from windows is shitty? how can i reinstall the firmware in ubuntu. i tried #aptitude reinstall linux-firmware linux-firmware-nonfree and linux-image-generic but without success. |
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| 17:42.23 | b4tm4n | i have a usb wifi adapter on debian that only works after a ethernet cable is plugged in |
| 17:42.25 | b4tm4n | thoughts? |
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| 17:42.54 | jelly-home | andi_: perhaps you should ask in #ubuntu, or ##windows, or ##linux |
| 17:43.29 | Gatis | abrotman: said he would help me |
| 17:43.32 | andi_ | jelly-home, yes but they don't answer. debian and ubuntu are nearly the same |
| 17:43.33 | jelly-home | andi_: you're in Debian channel, and we do not have linux-image-generic at all nor do we know with certainty how ubuntu does things |
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| 17:44.25 | jelly-home | andi_: they're not similar enough in this regard. Ask in the right place, and be patient |
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| 17:45.33 | b4tm4n | when i boot the wifi adapter doesn't come on, the second a plug in a ethernet cable it starts working.= |
| 17:45.46 | andi_ | jelly-home, ok |
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| 17:45.58 | jelly-home | Gatis: instead of focusing on a single volunteer, try to help yourself by reading the suggested documentation (that wiki page) for a start |
| 17:46.08 | Gatis | i read |
| 17:46.13 | Gatis | I know all this |
| 17:46.25 | Gatis | But someone suggested that my driver would work on Wheezy |
| 17:46.30 | Gatis | whereas i read it wouldn't work |
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| 17:46.44 | cdb23ax | hello, how can i compile a custom xen kernel for debian wheezy? |
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| 17:47.22 | jelly-home | Gatis: didi you try it? |
| 17:47.25 | cdb23ax | do i only need to download the 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel and then change the parameters then recompile? |
| 17:47.39 | cdb23ax | or do i need anything else? |
| 17:48.34 | Gatis | WHy i can't save sources.list file> |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | Gatis: Do not use Lenny, we've been over this |
| 17:49.11 | Gatis | I will use |
| 17:49.14 | Gatis | Because not working |
| 17:49.29 | Gatis | I mean open drivers work but it's poor performance |
| 17:49.33 | abrotman | Gatis: have you asked anyone here for help with wheezy, have you done what they've said? |
| 17:49.35 | abrotman | have you installed the firmware yeT? |
| 17:49.45 | Gatis | I don't understand how to do it |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | then ask how |
| 17:49.54 | abrotman | don't be stupid, don't use lenny |
| 17:49.54 | Gatis | ok how? |
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| 17:50.14 | abrotman | Gatis: do you have any GUI at all right now? |
| 17:50.22 | Gatis | I have Gnome |
| 17:50.38 | abrotman | Gatis: http://paste.debian.net/ show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:51.18 | Gatis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.02 | abrotman | Gatis: you need to add "contrib non-free" to the first few lines, lines 7,8 in your paste |
| 17:52.16 | ochiottes | can i automatically resize logical volumes to their smallest possible size? |
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| 17:52.34 | Gatis | abrotman: how can i gain rights to edit files? |
| 17:52.38 | Gatis | i forgot |
| 17:52.42 | abrotman | su - |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | enter the root password |
| 17:53.05 | jelly-home | ochiottes: lvm tools do not know what the "smallest possible" is |
| 17:53.59 | Gatis | done |
| 17:54.31 | Gatis | now aptitude update? |
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| 17:55.16 | abrotman | Gatis: yes |
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| 17:55.56 | abrotman | Gatis: then 'aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree' |
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| 17:56.48 | Gatis | done |
| 17:56.50 | jelly-home | ochiottes: there's also the fact that shrinking filesystems, if possible, is usually an offline procedure and they have to be unmounted |
| 17:57.44 | abrotman | Gatis: now reboot |
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| 18:01.28 | Gatis | hi |
| 18:01.32 | Gatis | IM back |
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| 18:02.10 | Gatis | at least Gnome 3 didn't crash |
| 18:03.04 | Gatis | How can i check if i use proprietary driver? |
| 18:03.45 | Gatis | abrotman: |
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| 18:05.31 | Gatis | Gnome 3 is too heavy for my laptop |
| 18:06.22 | Gatis | Can you put icons on Gnome desktop? |
| 18:08.00 | mtn | Gatis: yes you can, use tweak tool to show icons on the desktop |
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| 18:08.25 | Gatis | how to check what video driver i hve? |
| 18:09.04 | Gatis | And question can i delete Gnome 3 and install XCFE? and how? |
| 18:09.41 | mtn | Gatis: you can use synaptic to install xfce and then choose it in the login window |
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| 18:11.50 | ochiottes | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:11.58 | Gatis | How can i check my video driver? |
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| 18:12.28 | nkuttler | Gatis: what do you mean by that? grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:12.35 | Bluewolf | Hi all |
| 18:12.51 | Gatis | nkuttler i want to know if use proprietary or opensource driver |
| 18:12.52 | sklav | hi guys anybody using a cable modem and has a isc-dhcp server running on the same machine |
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| 18:13.03 | sklav | eth0 = br0 and eth1= provider |
| 18:13.30 | sklav | some reason nagios says dhcp has no dhcp offers even though it works |
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| 18:14.08 | Gatis | hello? |
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| 18:14.15 | sklav | could dhclient be causing a conflict? |
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| 18:15.46 | ochiottes | sklav: is nagios monitoring the right interface? |
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| 18:16.03 | abrotman | Gatis: Did you test youtube yet? |
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| 18:16.35 | Gatis | ys |
| 18:16.37 | sklav | yes i even forced it by specifying the interface |
| 18:16.38 | Gatis | yes |
| 18:16.58 | sklav | abrotman this issue cropped up after i switched from dsl to cable |
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| 18:17.05 | abrotman | sklav: didn't ask you |
| 18:17.16 | abrotman | Gatis: so what's wrong now ? |
| 18:17.18 | sklav | sorry meant for ochiottes |
| 18:17.35 | Gatis | abrotman: feels same |
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| 18:17.42 | abrotman | Gatis: what feels same? |
| 18:17.44 | Gatis | i want to check if i have proprietary |
| 18:17.47 | abrotman | that's so fucking vague |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | Gatis: you do not, because the OSS driver is isntalled and has firmware .. That's the best driver currently available |
| 18:18.11 | Gatis | Do you have problems? |
| 18:18.49 | Gatis | i doubt im using ATI catalyst |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | No, my OS works perfectly fine |
| 18:18.58 | abrotman | Gatis: of course you aren't .. We've been over this |
| 18:19.08 | Gatis | why shouldn't i use catalyst? |
| 18:19.12 | Gatis | ATI driver |
| 18:19.20 | abrotman | because your device isn't supported by current versions of that driver |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | doesn't understand why this is so difficult to grasp |
| 18:19.40 | Gatis | that's why i need Debian Lenny 5 |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | fuck it .. |
| 18:19.55 | jelly-home | debian lenny 5 is, also, not supported at all |
| 18:19.57 | sklav | Gatis Lenny is over 5 years old |
| 18:20.03 | abrotman | Gatis: you're on your own .. enjoy 2005 |
| 18:20.11 | sklav | ;) |
| 18:20.15 | Gatis | Debian Lenny 5 supports ATI Catalyst 9.3 |
| 18:20.17 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:20.39 | abrotman | Gatis: We will not help you install Lenny, it's not supported, it's not recommended .. NO ONE SHOULD BE USING LENNY |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | it's completely insecure |
| 18:20.45 | sklav | Yeah it also is 5+ years old not supported and well full of security issues at this time |
| 18:20.52 | jelly-home | Gatis: it would be unwise to downgrade all the other software to decade-old versions just to enjoy an old version of fglrx |
| 18:21.21 | abrotman | Gatis: use Wheezy, use the OSS Radeon driver. It works perfectly fine. If you want to uninstall Gnome3, then do that, install XFCE and XDM .. it works perfectly fine. Please don't conflate the issues. |
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| 18:21.56 | abrotman | Gatis: aptitude install xdm xfce4 ; aptitude remove gnome gdm3 |
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| 18:22.23 | jelly-home | lightdm* |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | or that |
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| 18:22.38 | sklav | Gatis which card do you actually have? |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | or slim or whatever you want |
| 18:22.42 | JordiGH | Does postgres's default config only allow connections on localhost? |
| 18:22.42 | jelly-home | (well, gdm3 will work with xfce just fine) |
| 18:23.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes, actually only over sockets IIRC |
| 18:23.04 | JordiGH | I don't know much about postgres config, so I want to make sure I can use the default before I try to learn how to config it. |
| 18:23.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: Great, thanks. |
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| 18:24.57 | abrotman | Gatis: your +q will expire in a few minutes, please stick with wheezy, your video driver is not hte problem |
| 18:25.13 | sklav | im guessing his "Gatis" card is old enough that not even fglrx-legacy-driver will work? |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:25.57 | sklav | i chimmed in at the end so do not know his model of video card |
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| 18:27.14 | sexyboy | u/16 |
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| 18:28.14 | bazhang | ATI x1200 sklav |
| 18:29.12 | MY123 | bazhang: As I remember, not supported by Radeon but only by RadeonHD. |
| 18:29.44 | bazhang | MY123, yeah, no idea. |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | MY123: completely wrong, man radeon |
| 18:30.54 | MY123 | Oops. Was looking at an old kernel tree. |
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| 18:33.12 | willmore | I have a framebuffer device on which I have mapped a console. I have a USB keyboard. How do I control what console it maps to? |
| 18:33.43 | willmore | a keyword search is polluted with ways to map the keys on keyboards and is very unhelpful. :( |
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| 18:35.53 | abrotman | TimeVirus: and don't IRC as root |
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| 18:36.28 | Gatis | fail |
| 18:36.55 | Gatis | I instelled XFCE |
| 18:36.59 | Gatis | and deleted gnome |
| 18:37.03 | Gatis | but i logon in gnome 3 |
| 18:37.07 | Gatis | ... |
| 18:37.16 | Gatis | And i got ugly login screen |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gatis about enter |
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| 18:37.38 | mohsen-rashidi | Hele there. |
| 18:38.03 | Gatis | abrotman: you did not tell me something |
| 18:38.12 | abrotman | Yes sir |
| 18:38.15 | Gatis | I still have gnome 3 and ugly login screen |
| 18:38.47 | jelly-home | Gatis: did you pick xfce session on the gdm login screen? |
| 18:38.50 | mtn | Gatis: log into xfce instead of gnome. then you won't see gnome ;) |
| 18:38.59 | Gatis | i don't have gdm login screen |
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| 18:39.08 | Gatis | i have just a box with debian logo |
| 18:39.31 | jelly-home | Gatis: and it asks for a username and password, and ought to have a menu entry somewhere on it |
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| 18:41.37 | mohsen-rashidi | I have heard Debian makes a lot of changes to Linux kernel in order to make kernel more compatible with other parts of system. I wonder to know if it is true or not. |
| 18:41.47 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: look at the patches |
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| 18:42.47 | MY123 | mohsen-rashidi: You can boot a Debian system with mainline. It works well. |
| 18:42.49 | mohsen-rashidi | abrotman: Thank you but i need a quick answer. Is it possible? |
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| 18:43.46 | Gatis | i have no GDM |
| 18:43.52 | mohsen-rashidi | I just wanna know if Debian makes changes to default kernel or not. |
| 18:44.08 | Gatis | Linux is making me crazy |
| 18:44.12 | Gatis | nothing works |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: yes, of course, all distros make some change |
| 18:44.18 | teraflops | oh Gatis |
| 18:44.21 | teraflops | please |
| 18:44.31 | Gatis | tell me i am wrong |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | you're wrong |
| 18:44.43 | teraflops | Gatis: you are wrong |
| 18:44.54 | mohsen-rashidi | abrotman: I know they do that but heard Debian makes the most |
| 18:45.03 | Gatis | I have no gdm |
| 18:45.05 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: you'll have to check the changelog or patches |
| 18:45.09 | Gatis | and can't chose DE |
| 18:45.11 | jelly-home | Gatis: what does "ps -fe |grep dm" say? |
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| 18:46.12 | MY123 | Gatis: If you want to have something working quickly, and fed up with Debian, choose Ubuntu ! I recommend it for starters. |
| 18:46.27 | jelly-home | mohsen-rashidi: most kernel changes are actually there to support hardware instead of support the rest of the OS |
| 18:46.33 | abrotman | MY123: the problem isn't the distro .. |
| 18:46.35 | Gatis | http://pastebin.com/u0XhqShb |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | MY123: and please don't recommend other distros here |
| 18:47.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: for this user, a more friendly distro might be just what the doctor ordered |
| 18:47.26 | jelly-home | Gatis: right, so you're using xdm now. |
| 18:47.27 | mohsen-rashidi | jelly-home: Your right. But i read somewhere, many times ago, that debian |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: some patience and reading goes a long way .. he's had wheezy installed for about 45 minutes .. |
| 18:47.32 | Gatis | jelly-home |
| 18:47.35 | Gatis | no |
| 18:47.41 | mohsen-rashidi | makes a lot of changes to Linux Kernel |
| 18:47.43 | Gatis | When i log out i don't have nothing |
| 18:47.46 | Gatis | I need to restart pc |
| 18:48.13 | mohsen-rashidi | And now i need to figure out if it is true. |
| 18:48.13 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: so what's the problem wwith this? |
| 18:48.21 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: why does it matter at all? |
| 18:48.33 | Gatis | sighs |
| 18:48.51 | Gatis | Linux is so unstable to me |
| 18:48.54 | mohsen-rashidi | abrotman: I`m not sure that is correct. I need a reference. |
| 18:48.57 | MY123 | Gatis: apt-get install gdm3 ? |
| 18:49.01 | Gatis | just do something and linux will fall apart |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: Why does it matter? |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | Gatis: whining won't help, try learning |
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| 18:49.20 | jelly-home | Gatis: I don't remember how, or whether it's possible to pick the session manager with xdm at all. Care to enable gdm3 back or install lightdm? |
| 18:49.25 | Gatis | abrotman: i did exactly what you said |
| 18:49.32 | mohsen-rashidi | abrotman: I`m in argue with someone about this subject |
| 18:49.42 | Gatis | ok |
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| 18:49.50 | mohsen-rashidi | I know this is stupid but it is what it is |
| 18:49.50 | abrotman | mohsen-rashidi: So just say it has the most .. who cares? |
| 18:49.52 | mtn | mohsen-rashidi: most if not all distros make changes to the vanilla kernel |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman | mtn: yeah, apparently he's trying to quantify it to win an argument ... |
| 18:50.15 | MY123 | Gatis: Not so unstable . remove winlogon.exe on a u$ system for trying. |
| 18:50.22 | mtn | abrotman: I know, but like you said, who cares? |
| 18:50.23 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:50.26 | mohsen-rashidi | abrotman: i have to prove it |
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| 18:50.39 | abrotman | mtn: for the sake of arguing apparently |
| 18:50.40 | mtn | mohsen-rashidi: start looking at the kernel info then. |
| 18:50.40 | Gatis | that's why im scared to do somthing in linux :) |
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| 18:51.11 | mtn | Gatis: install gdm and then follow the instructions |
| 18:51.19 | Gatis | the strange thing is i removed gnome. But i still have gnome 3 desktop O_O |
| 18:51.34 | mtn | Gatis: one thing at a time. install gdm. |
| 18:51.44 | mohsen-rashidi | I hoped somewhere like Debian wiki had mention it |
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| 18:52.00 | Gatis | ok loggin out |
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| 18:52.12 | MY123 | Gatis: Linux is just a kernel. Don't say you are scared of Linux because they are more than 600 distros out here. |
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| 18:52.54 | MY123 | (And Android is based on the Linux kernel, like Debian GNU/Linux) |
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| 18:55.06 | jelly-home | mohsen-rashidi: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/ is where kernel maintainers put their stuff |
| 18:55.07 | ompaul | issues the Sunday forecast |
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| 18:55.42 | ompaul | MY123: he was already gone |
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| 18:56.07 | Gatis | Hi |
| 18:56.12 | Gatis | IS anybody home? |
| 18:56.37 | Gatis | works now |
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| 18:56.43 | Gatis | XFCE much better |
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| 18:56.53 | bravvve | hi,why ALTGR key dosn't work in VMware |
| 18:57.02 | jelly-home | mohsen-rashidi: also be aware that the maintainer for 3.2 kernel tree upstream is part of debian's kernel team |
| 18:57.32 | Gatis | hmm XCFE is awesome |
| 18:57.39 | Gatis | I salute |
| 18:58.04 | MY123 | Gatis: Linux is just a kernel. Don't say you are scared of Linux because they are more than 600 distros out here. |
| 18:58.07 | Gatis | How to get rid of Gnome 3 completely and keep GDM3? |
| 18:58.20 | MY123 | (And Android is based on the Linux kernel, like Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 18:58.33 | Gatis | IM scared to mess up |
| 18:58.53 | Gatis | im used to GUI style OS Windows |
| 18:59.17 | Gatis | where you can do evertything trough gui |
| 18:59.44 | MY123 | Gatis: There is synaptic. |
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| 19:00.31 | Gatis | ok thanks |
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| 19:01.11 | ompaul | Gatis: it is not a replacement, therefore things are not in the same place or have the same level of stupidity behind them, you should understand it is an alternative, so it does things its own way I haven't used a windows desktop for myself at home since 93 |
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| 19:02.09 | MY123 | ompaul: You are lucky. I have to use it at work ... |
| 19:02.22 | Gatis | hmm |
| 19:02.31 | Gatis | Windows is cool :) |
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| 19:03.03 | Gatis | But Linux is future |
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| 19:03.18 | MY123 | Gatis: Windows Server has a suckable console and no GUI. |
| 19:03.34 | Gatis | ah i don't use windows server never have |
| 19:03.50 | ompaul | Gatis: do you have a specific debian question? |
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| 19:04.08 | Walex2 | Gatis: actually both GNU/Linux and MS-Windows are the past: nearly everything in both is at best sixties-era technology, with occasional bits taken from the seventies. |
| 19:04.27 | Gatis | true |
| 19:04.51 | Walex2 | Gatis: the difference between MS-Windows and Debian is that the latter is based on freedom, the former is not. |
| 19:05.06 | Gatis | but brick upon brick they make tower of Babel |
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| 19:05.14 | Walex2 | that's the big deal and why many good people contribute to the project. |
| 19:05.23 | Gatis | Well |
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| 19:05.30 | TimeVirus | hello |
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| 19:05.37 | MY123 | Walex2: And Hurd is from the 80s. |
| 19:05.49 | Walex2 | MY123: something like that :-) |
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| 19:06.32 | Gatis | well |
| 19:06.44 | Gatis | if you don't need terminal you are ok with windows :) |
| 19:06.57 | MY123 | It is the only OS ever not stabilized for 25 years, yet. |
| 19:07.00 | mtn | Gatis: if it were my computer I would not worry about gnome still being there. and make sure you read this: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 19:07.40 | Gatis | hmm |
| 19:07.46 | Gatis | strange |
| 19:07.58 | tethra | lo folks - i've just upgraded from wheezy to jessie and i'm finding that although i'm only intending to be using wlan0, eth0 keeps getting brought up with a link-local address. it's not plugged in and i'm a bit confused about how to turn that off |
| 19:08.04 | Walex2 | Gatis: you are OK with MS-Windows if you don't need freedom to modify upgrade and maintain your OS over the long term |
| 19:08.05 | Gatis | i don't want to brake debian just remove gnome |
| 19:08.16 | Gatis | Walex2: yes |
| 19:08.30 | tethra | i've not had any joy having removed it from /etc/network/interfaces, either |
| 19:08.54 | heurist | !tell tethra -about debian-next |
| 19:08.58 | Walex2 | tethra: quick! please tell us the SP&500 and the exact date you are time taveling from! |
| 19:08.58 | Gatis | I believe Linux will become money maker like windows soon |
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| 19:09.15 | nkuttler | !tell Gatis about remove gnome |
| 19:09.17 | tethra | heurist: oh, thanks |
| 19:09.22 | Walex2 | prepares to become rich |
| 19:09.40 | Gatis | nkuttler: i think to make this bot it took a loooot of time |
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| 19:14.12 | Gatis | yyyyeeees |
| 19:14.27 | TimeVirus | how difficult would it be to install Debian on this HDD? I dont want to lose the NTFS volume |
| 19:14.31 | Gatis | What's the difference between Debian and Arch linux? |
| 19:14.34 | TimeVirus | http://postimg.org/image/82xi0iqix/ |
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| 19:14.57 | mtn | Gatis: have you heard of google or wikipedia? please go there for basic questions like that |
| 19:15.12 | Gatis | never heard of it |
| 19:15.18 | TimeVirus | k |
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| 19:15.32 | TimeVirus | mtn? |
| 19:15.45 | MY123 | Gatis: http://www.google.com |
| 19:15.52 | Gatis | what is google? |
| 19:16.01 | TimeVirus | part of a plex |
| 19:16.07 | TimeVirus | googleplex |
| 19:16.15 | Gatis | i use only bing |
| 19:16.22 | TimeVirus | kool |
| 19:16.28 | TimeVirus | then you do know what google is |
| 19:16.31 | Gatis | lieing |
| 19:16.31 | mtn | Gatis: if you don't have any debian questions, please play somewhere else |
| 19:16.41 | Gatis | i have many questions |
| 19:16.55 | teraflops | Gatis: regarding to waht? |
| 19:16.57 | Gatis | First im happy i got xfce working :) |
| 19:17.02 | mtn | TimeVirus: can't you use gparted and shrink that partition to make room for debian? |
| 19:17.20 | TimeVirus | did you see the image file? |
| 19:17.20 | Gatis | Well i have a question how can i make debian boot beautifullly? i don't like those texts on screen. |
| 19:17.27 | TimeVirus | there is PLENTY of space there |
| 19:17.32 | TimeVirus | unallocated free space |
| 19:17.58 | uforek | anyone have an opinion on what partition table type is best for an external drive storing vboxes? |
| 19:18.00 | mtn | TimeVirus: looks like only one partition to me. boot live disk, use gparted, resize to your requirements. |
| 19:18.22 | TimeVirus | oh, resize ext 4? |
| 19:18.36 | TimeVirus | thats on top of the ntfs and unallocated? |
| 19:18.42 | Gatis | ok il leave you for now |
| 19:18.56 | folivora | Anyone here running new AMD GFX cards? |
| 19:19.07 | Gatis | God bless you |
| 19:19.09 | mtn | TimeVirus: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/35676/how-to-choose-a-partition-scheme-for-your-linux-pc/ |
| 19:19.09 | Gatis | Bye |
| 19:19.14 | Gatis | Adios :) |
| 19:19.23 | babilen | Gatis: You really don't have to be that verbose |
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| 19:19.24 | folivora | I am trying to get Catalyst Drivers installed but it is failing when it is building kernel modules |
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| 19:19.28 | TimeVirus | lol k mtn |
| 19:19.36 | Gatis | babilen: ok |
| 19:19.53 | babilen | folivora: Please follow https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and paste errors you run into when you do that. |
| 19:19.56 | TimeVirus | no hexchat for debian? |
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| 19:20.00 | TimeVirus | well |
| 19:20.06 | TimeVirus | bad question |
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| 19:20.34 | jelly-home | ,v hexchat |
| 19:20.35 | judd | Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.0-1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1 |
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| 19:20.48 | babilen | folivora: (there is also a newer version in wheezy-backports, but I didn't get around to write installation instructions for that) |
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| 19:21.43 | TimeVirus | I'll look into that mtn thx |
| 19:22.05 | mtn | TimeVirus: welcome |
| 19:22.50 | folivora | babilen: I am running jessie, and it seems that there is no package for jessie ? |
| 19:23.36 | TimeVirus | so many pop ups and adds in Iceweasel :( |
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| 19:23.41 | babilen | folivora: jessie/unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) |
| 19:23.46 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 19:23.47 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 19:23.52 | mtn | folivora: you do realize that packages are dropped from testing from time to time, right? |
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| 19:24.28 | babilen | folivora: And yeah, it is IMHO ludicrous to track jessie without being able to pull from unstable if needed. See <jum> and <jum caveat> (also <tum>) for hints on how to configure that -- /msg dpkg jum |
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| 19:25.21 | folivora | mtn: yes, I know. Thats why I asked that does someone know |
| 19:25.35 | jelly-home | babilen: shouldn't that be jsm |
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| 19:26.14 | babilen | jsm? |
| 19:26.21 | jelly-home | instead of jum |
| 19:26.25 | babilen | Why? |
| 19:26.34 | babilen | jessie/unstable mix |
| 19:26.50 | babilen | hah, sid in there |
| 19:26.53 | babilen | my bad |
| 19:26.59 | jelly-home | because mixing a codename with a symlink is uncouth |
| 19:27.10 | babilen | I agree |
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| 19:30.15 | TimeVirus | Kali Linux supports my BCM4311 out of the box even better than Windows 7 - why cant all linux do the same? |
| 19:30.17 | TimeVirus | heh |
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| 19:31.34 | MY123 | TimeVirus: You should install firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 19:32.00 | TimeVirus | Kali is based on debian even! |
| 19:32.07 | TimeVirus | o\ |
| 19:32.27 | jelly-home | !kali |
| 19:32.29 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 19:33.12 | TimeVirus | I believe thats whats installed on this Kali USB |
| 19:33.15 | jelly-home | they make changes, that debian might not do, like include non-free firmware directly |
| 19:33.27 | folivora | babilen: when trying to install fglrx from unstable repositories. I get this error: http://pastie.org/9478858 any ideas ? |
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| 19:33.35 | cheetah2 | help synaptic seems to have sotred a package somewhere it doesnt need to download it anymore |
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| 19:33.42 | cheetah2 | how can i delete the package so it has to download it? |
| 19:33.49 | TimeVirus | rgr |
| 19:33.53 | cheetah2 | help synaptic seems to have sotred a package somewhere it doesnt need to download it anymore |
| 19:34.23 | jelly-home | cheetah2: quit synaptic, run "aptitude clean" or "apt-get clean" as root |
| 19:34.31 | cheetah2 | ok |
| 19:34.40 | cheetah2 | thank you will try that |
| 19:34.48 | jelly-home | it will remove all the packages from apt's cache |
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| 19:35.05 | TimeVirus | seek help In kalilinux channel? lol its not kali's fault most linux doenst run my wifi as well :P |
| 19:35.52 | jelly-home | only if you actually use kali and not debian |
| 19:36.16 | TimeVirus | ah well on to try and get the external running linux(es?) |
| 19:36.52 | TimeVirus | thanks for the helps guys |
| 19:36.53 | jelly-home | !BCM4311 |
| 19:36.53 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 19:36.58 | MY123 | folivora: A FrankenDebian is not supported here. |
| 19:37.23 | jelly-home | MY123: firmware-linux-nonfree does not contain fw for TimeVirus' card, apparently |
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| 19:38.10 | MY123 | !b43-fwcutter |
| 19:38.11 | dpkg | Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy |
| 19:38.33 | TimeVirus | well here, these are the files running my wifi for the BCM4311: b43/ucode5.fw && b43-open/ucode5.fw |
| 19:38.41 | MY123 | jelly-home: True. |
| 19:39.44 | TimeVirus | is there something wrong with them? |
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| 19:40.31 | MY123 | TimeVirus: Follow the dpkg WiFi link. |
| 19:40.49 | jelly-home | TimeVirus: how did you get those? |
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| 19:49.18 | UserError | a desktop installation |
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| 19:50.30 | UserError | That is what i thought... hrmmm |
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| 19:54.13 | nkuttler | UserError: nothing |
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| 19:54.48 | UserError | true that's what i thought, looks like my glitch |
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| 19:55.05 | UserError | thank you for your time, looks like i'm having a user error |
| 19:55.32 | DanDare | you are usererror in person |
| 19:55.40 | DanDare | :) |
| 19:55.42 | UserError | cries |
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| 20:00.03 | equex | hi. quick question. i've had my bash history buffer too short.. is there another way to retrace a bunch of tweaks ive done to my wheezy since install ? its mostly packages/dev packages (which i can get from dpkg), but some other bash stuff and python stuff, like pip install and so forth (to go with the packages, again mostly python, perhaps i should ask there) |
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| 20:08.12 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux |
| 20:08.23 | UserError | Isn't there a package for acer? |
| 20:08.25 | Psil0Cybin | figured something out! I can dim my screen running this command setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=# how can i fix this or impliment a script so i can use my fn keys to do that?! |
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| 20:08.31 | UserError | or kernel module |
| 20:08.34 | Psil0Cybin | i dont know i am new to debian :( |
| 20:08.36 | Psil0Cybin | from Ubuntu |
| 20:08.43 | Psil0Cybin | i can use setpci to dim the screen |
| 20:08.52 | Psil0Cybin | but the fn keys do not work just display the GUI with the sun and slider. |
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| 20:09.51 | Psil0Cybin | you think i am missing a acer? package.. i was googling for hours last night, and only was able to finally change my brightness using the setpci command |
| 20:10.02 | Psil0Cybin | but i do not like running it all the time kind of inconvinent to make a script to dim my screen lol :P |
| 20:10.05 | UserError | Could just be a grub line you need to do |
| 20:10.14 | Psil0Cybin | what other paramaters can i try? |
| 20:10.21 | UserError | yeh hold on |
| 20:10.26 | Psil0Cybin | other then acpi_backlight=vendor or acpi_os=Linux :) ty ur a big help |
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| 20:11.33 | UserError | Does xbacklight work? |
| 20:12.05 | UserError | if so you can just bind the commands to the keys, i use in increments of 10% |
| 20:12.08 | teraflops | Psil0Cybin: does that laptop have hybrid graphics? |
| 20:12.31 | UserError | it is an intel atom netbook |
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| 20:13.10 | Psil0Cybin | teraflops, its an acer aspire one d270, its a really old laptop so i dont know...honestly |
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| 20:13.19 | UserError | it doesn't |
| 20:13.24 | UserError | it uses the old intel 3650 |
| 20:13.27 | teraflops | ok |
| 20:13.52 | UserError | did you try the grubline with intel as the vendor, psi |
| 20:14.47 | UserError | honestly i would try xbacklight instead of dealing with all that BS and just bind to the brightness keys |
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| 20:17.54 | Psil0Cybin | UserError, i did try xbacklight |
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| 20:18.22 | Psil0Cybin | xbacklight says No outputs have backlight property, but i can dim it using that setpci command so i am left tilting my head like a dog |
| 20:18.28 | UserError | weird |
| 20:18.47 | Psil0Cybin | i know |
| 20:19.07 | Psil0Cybin | really wierd in my books....like i have been googling and googling and all the fix's state that using acpi_os or vendor option fix's my problem |
| 20:19.13 | Psil0Cybin | but it does not.. |
| 20:19.32 | Psil0Cybin | and obviously i do update-grub and update-grub2 just to be safe |
| 20:19.35 | Psil0Cybin | because i seem to have both |
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| 20:21.09 | UserError | What kernel are you on? |
| 20:21.33 | Psil0Cybin | 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 20:21.37 | Psil0Cybin | i belive. |
| 20:21.42 | Psil0Cybin | using 'uname -a' |
| 20:21.43 | UserError | aw man |
| 20:21.50 | Psil0Cybin | ? |
| 20:21.58 | Psil0Cybin | old? |
| 20:22.13 | Psil0Cybin | i just installed the system its a fresh install of debian 7 wheezy :P I hope its fine...for now loll |
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| 20:24.11 | UserError | I can't remember what kernel they added better cedar support |
| 20:25.23 | UserError | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44451 |
| 20:25.24 | UserError | cool |
| 20:25.26 | UserError | kernel 3.5+ |
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| 20:30.39 | Psil0Cybin | dang so do i need a new kernel or i forgot about cedar maye i can install that on debian i know i had it on Ubuntu but also does the dim affect the graphic settings like |
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| 20:30.49 | Psil0Cybin | i can dim it using that manual command, somthing is just wrong with acer_wmi or something |
| 20:30.54 | UserError | bingo |
| 20:30.56 | Psil0Cybin | or i dont even have anything to handle acer_wmi.. |
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| 20:31.23 | UserError | there should be newer kernels under backports |
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| 20:34.48 | tete_ | Walex2, i tried it now with the link you mentioned, still the same problem... i created /boot in raid1 with metadata version 0.9, and / on raid 5 with metadata 1.2 - installing grub fails, no matter what device i use |
| 20:35.17 | tete_ | i also get some errors saying that a device node was not found, no idea what this should mean |
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| 20:36.17 | Psil0Cybin | UserError, sorry and how would i download these kernels i am really getting still acustomed to debian from ubuntu like i used a gui for plenty of things and used synaps package manager rtpe |
| 20:36.23 | Psil0Cybin | type thing just want to make sure i do not make a mistake. |
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| 20:37.41 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, activate backports in sources.list, then use -t flag in apt to download backport software |
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| 20:37.53 | tete_ | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2 |
| 20:38.12 | UserError | ^ |
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| 20:39.00 | tete_ | someone willing to help me for... lets say... 50$ ? raid1 for /boot and raid5 for / with encrypted lvm with mdadm |
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| 20:45.15 | Psil0Cybin | okay thank you tete_. |
| 20:45.32 | Psil0Cybin | UserError, and which kernel should i try? |
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| 20:45.45 | Psil0Cybin | i know each kernel has kinks of their own or are usually tailed to different hardwar.e |
| 20:45.46 | jitsinewbie | i am a Debian GNU/Linux desktop user currently running Jessie. I want to hold videoconferences with friends who are windows desktop users with a bog standard adsl router internet connection. i am thinking about using jitsi. is anyone here using jitsi on Debian GNU/Linux Jessie? i could not find any newbie friendly tutorial for jessie users |
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| 20:46.13 | iveevue | Why Jessie? |
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| 20:46.37 | elichai2 | hey, i' looking for a new browser because of this: |
| 20:46.43 | elichai2 | 26420 elichai 20 0 969912 361164 46764 S 90.7 35.3 13:00.43 iceweasel |
| 20:46.58 | jitsinewbie | iveevue, do you use Jitsi for videoconferences? |
| 20:47.09 | iveevue | ... no |
| 20:47.22 | tete_ | jitsinewbie, jessie is devel, read the topic |
| 20:48.09 | elichai2 | anyone? |
| 20:48.35 | jitsinewbie | tete_, do you use Jitsi for videoconferences? |
| 20:48.47 | tete_ | no |
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| 20:49.30 | jitsinewbie | does anyone here runs Jitsi on their Debian GNU/Linux desktop computer? |
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| 21:00.53 | Otyugh | If any of you did configured a personnal mailserver on sqeezy and have a good tuto to share I'm all ears. It's quite a jungle out there. :s |
| 21:01.21 | tete_ | depends on your needs |
| 21:01.35 | nkuttler | Otyugh: squeeze is obsolete |
| 21:01.37 | tete_ | what backend should be used, sql, ldap etc.... you should first think about that |
| 21:02.04 | nkuttler | you don't need a "backend" |
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| 21:03.12 | natoka | i'm trying to configure my wacom intuos4, so far i've managed to get the buttons assigned, but the for the leds i'm quite clueless how to make them display something |
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| 21:05.43 | tsam | Hi guys. I just did a fresh install of a wheezy on a laptop. I installed the ati proprietary driver following https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration but now when I start X, I get the following error : http://paste.debian.net/115946/ and of course X won't start. |
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| 21:06.09 | tsam | What did I do wrong? Any idea? |
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| 21:08.28 | natoka | you are missing a screen definition in your xorg conf |
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| 21:08.56 | elichai2 | [23:46] <elichai2> hey, i' looking for a new browser because of this: |
| 21:08.56 | elichai2 | [23:46] <elichai2> 26420 elichai 20 0 969912 361164 46764 S 90.7 35.3 13:00.43 iceweasel |
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| 21:10.08 | natoka | tsam: you are missing a screen and a probably a serverlayout section |
| 21:10.47 | tsam | natoka: That's what I was thinking, but I was advised here to *not* use a xorg.conf. So I thought I'd ask here before. :) |
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| 21:11.41 | tsam | I'll try to correct this, thanks. |
| 21:12.09 | elichai2 | any idea? |
| 21:12.39 | digdilem | elichai2, chromium? |
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| 21:13.24 | digdilem | it's better on ram ime, less configurable, faster. |
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| 21:14.49 | elichai2 | digdilem, faster?!?! |
| 21:14.58 | elichai2 | Chrome is faster then Iceweasel? |
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| 21:16.06 | digdilem | in my experience, yes. ymmv |
| 21:16.23 | digdilem | btw, not interested in a browser war. |
| 21:16.52 | chriys | Hi all I got an issue here, I can't manage to open a port. I followed this link https://wiki.debian.org/iptables to open the port 1935 and for some reason it's still cloased |
| 21:17.11 | natoka | tsam: proprietary drivers need some sort of xorg.conf |
| 21:17.26 | elichai2 | ammm.... what do you thing about opera? |
| 21:17.39 | elichai2 | it's in debian repo? |
| 21:17.45 | digdilem | no opinion. go try some and pick the one you like. |
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| 21:17.52 | jitsinewbie | it seems that no one here runs Jitsi on their Debian GNU/Linux desktop computer. Does anyone here do videoconferences on their Debian GNU/Linux computer without using Skype? |
| 21:18.02 | chriys | my server is on Debian 6 |
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| 21:18.08 | elichai2 | digdilem, it's not about like it's about lightweight |
| 21:18.13 | natoka | tsam: though i suppose you can limit the contents to the bare minimum |
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| 21:19.25 | digdilem | then go for one of the cut-down browsers and play around. Most people want flexibility and speed more than bare bones, elichai2, and your browsing habits may be different from others. |
| 21:19.46 | digdilem | elichai2, asking for opinions is fine, but as browsers evolve so rapidly, a lot of peoples opinions will be out of date |
| 21:19.59 | natoka | tsam: and if you like you can still create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-screen.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-screenlayout.conf for example |
| 21:20.18 | digdilem | elichai2, lynx is pretty low on resources after all :) |
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| 21:22.43 | tsam | natoka: I see. Right now I only have the 20-fglrx.conf described in the documentation. |
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| 21:30.07 | chriys | Hi all I got an issue here, I can't manage to open a port. I followed this link https://wiki.debian.org/iptables to open the port 1935 but for some reason it's still cloased |
| 21:30.17 | chriys | closed* |
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| 21:32.59 | tete_ | chriys, paste iptables-save somewhere |
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| 21:33.22 | chriys | let me pastebin |
| 21:33.23 | natoka | tsam: i noticed that your actual problem is fgrlx |
| 21:33.35 | elichai2 | [00:19] <elichai2> there is any difference between using 'sid' and 'unstable' in sources.list? |
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| 21:34.12 | chriys | here what shows iptables -S http://pastebin.com/gGsMLh7g |
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| 21:35.20 | natoka | tsam: what shows: ls -la /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 21:36.25 | tete_ | chriys, the other ports are displayed as being open? |
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| 21:39.10 | nyuszika7h | http://dpaste.com/27JSMFQ |
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| 21:39.17 | tsam | natoka: thanks for the help, it's actually working now. Here is what I did: aticonfig --initial and apt install xserver-xorg-input-intel xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable xfonts-cyrillic; mkfontdir && startx (X starts but won't load i3, and xinit fails after 3 seconds) |
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| 21:40.59 | knoxy | chriys, you have a service running on this port? |
| 21:41.23 | chriys | just found that the server wasn't running |
| 21:41.28 | chriys | try to reboot it |
| 21:41.46 | natoka | tsam: in that case you have now a full xorg.conf |
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| 21:42.08 | natoka | tsam: probably not the *best* solution though |
| 21:43.04 | natoka | tsam: i suppose you could have fixed your earlier situation by supplying a BUSID in the device section ... |
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| 21:44.08 | natoka | tsam: cause the point about not needing a full fledged xorg.conf is that xorg determines a lot (or almost everything) when it starts |
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| 21:44.23 | natoka | tsam: and the benefit is then that it's hardware independet |
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| 21:46.58 | tsam | natoka: well if I don't upgrade my hardware it shouldn't matter, right? |
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| 21:51.29 | natoka | tsam: well partially yes, depends on quite a few things |
| 21:51.44 | natoka | tsam: e.g. attaching 2nd mouse might not work ... |
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| 21:56.05 | tsam | natoka: I see. Well I spent all day on this, I'll check how to update this later. Thanks again for your help. :) |
| 21:57.31 | natoka | tsam: well it's shouldn't be so problematic |
| 21:58.29 | tsam | Well I'm not planning to plug a mouse or a keyboard anytime soon, so until then it should be ok :) |
| 21:58.49 | natoka | tsam: i suppose that the device section was lacking a BusID entry |
| 21:59.16 | natoka | tsam: at least the error message in your xorg log suggests this ... |
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| 21:59.36 | tsam | Yeah I should just keep the screen & the device section. |
| 21:59.39 | tsam | I'll test that later |
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| 22:02.52 | natoka | tsam: i suppose even that is not necessary |
| 22:03.28 | natoka | tsam: just make sure that you backup the config files before you start experimenting again ;) |
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| 22:07.41 | tsam | natoka: yeah of course, I'll do that. :) |
| 22:07.48 | tete_ | got it working with raid1 for /boot and raid5 for / ... will probably file a bug tomorrow |
| 22:07.52 | tete_ | thanks to #grub |
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| 22:17.38 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
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| 22:18.00 | neilthereildeil | how can i install glib-2.0 > 2.12? |
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| 22:20.48 | neilthereildeil | any idea? |
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| 22:21.57 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: What are you really trying to install that needs it? |
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| 22:23.42 | jhutchins | ,v glib-2.0 |
| 22:23.43 | judd | No package named 'glib-2.0' was found in i386. |
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| 22:26.19 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: im trying to build Xen 4.4 from source |
| 22:26.55 | neilthereildeil | checking for glib... no configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.12) were not met: No package 'glib-2.0' found |
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| 22:29.43 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: Did you install build-essential? |
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| 22:30.56 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, question how do i know what kernel i would want for my cedarview problems the orignal problem was : hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux |
| 22:31.04 | Psil0Cybin | but figuring out that setpci - s actually does dim the screen |
| 22:31.22 | Psil0Cybin | i was recommended / told to download new kernels as my kernel is outdated, even tho its the standard that comes with Wheezy 7 debian |
| 22:31.24 | Psil0Cybin | what do i do? |
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| 22:31.54 | tete_ | puh, i never had a laptop but.. when dim works in general, imo its not a kernel problem |
| 22:32.03 | tete_ | its more a problem with the keymapping |
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| 22:32.42 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: I'd download the backported kernel |
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| 22:34.17 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, what do you btw mean with "what kernel" ? backport usually just have one kernel, the latest, just like your currently running kernel |
| 22:35.49 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, oh sorry i did not know so what would be the command in order to get tat kernel, perhaps there is a guide or introduction to someone switching from ubuntu? sadly....someone suggested to change my source list? so i would add backports? to that list? for example4 |
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| 22:36.43 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:36.48 | tete_ | of course you need the repo in the sources list |
| 22:37.01 | tete_ | then just checkout what kernel you are running e.g. with dpkg -l | grep -i kernel |
| 22:37.14 | tete_ | and then do a apt-get install -t $packport $your_kernel |
| 22:37.28 | Psil0Cybin | ...okay let me try that, sounds easy |
| 22:37.33 | tete_ | it is |
| 22:38.44 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, when i ran the second line you wrote dpkg -l | grep -i kernel i got a bunch of files, with different version numbers like i have 2.4.43 and 2.4.40 |
| 22:38.51 | Psil0Cybin | oh sorry just 2.4.40 |
| 22:39.01 | tete_ | important is not the version, the package name is important |
| 22:39.15 | Psil0Cybin | but running uname -a says 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 22:39.54 | Psil0Cybin | package looks like firmware-linux-free? |
| 22:39.56 | tete_ | my mistake, not grep -i kernel, instead grep -i linux |
| 22:40.02 | Psil0Cybin | okay one second :D |
| 22:40.09 | tete_ | then you should see something like linux-image-3.13-1-amd64 |
| 22:40.24 | tete_ | so guess that should do it: apt-get install -t $packports linux-image |
| 22:40.29 | Psil0Cybin | i ahve linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 22:40.40 | Psil0Cybin | and linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 22:41.16 | tete_ | when you added the repo to your sources.list, just run apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image |
| 22:41.19 | tete_ | that should do the trick |
| 22:41.40 | Psil0Cybin | okay i hope this kernel solves that backlight issue i would be so pleased :D |
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| 22:41.59 | elite_ | hi all i need some help im trying to generate a signal tone lasting 45 seconds just a sine wave can anyone help me do this please? of a certain frequency |
| 22:42.14 | jhutchins | elite_: see beep. |
| 22:42.14 | sebastian | so glad there are backports, a lot better hardware support when i switched to 3.12 |
| 22:42.17 | Psil0Cybin | i would add this source right tete_ "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main" |
| 22:42.23 | sebastian | still not perfect though |
| 22:42.53 | elite_ | thanks jhutchins |
| 22:42.54 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, yes |
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| 22:44.11 | elite_ | jholden, i dont see the application beep |
| 22:44.30 | jhutchins | elite_: Or you could go all out and find a synthesizer app, maybe with a scope... |
| 22:45.06 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, running apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image said package linux-image is a virtual package provided by and then it lists a bunch of kernels with the same version number i have |
| 22:45.18 | Psil0Cybin | 3.2.0-4-686-pae or amd64 etc |
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| 22:45.31 | tete_ | no question to pick one? |
| 22:45.47 | elite_ | jhutchins i do not have a soundcard :( |
| 22:45.48 | tete_ | you could also directly select one of those apt found |
| 22:46.03 | sebastian | Psil0Cybin: search for linux-image, and then type in the one you want |
| 22:46.04 | Psil0Cybin | it says i have to specifically select one |
| 22:46.21 | Psil0Cybin | so would i get the linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 |
| 22:46.22 | Psil0Cybin | ? |
| 22:46.39 | sebastian | just linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 22:46.44 | Psil0Cybin | running 32 bit, debian is it supposed to be the same version number i currently have so confused haha :P |
| 22:47.02 | sebastian | if that's what you want. But try 3.12, or even 3.14 |
| 22:47.13 | sebastian | if you're looking for hardware support. |
| 22:47.16 | Psil0Cybin | how do i try those ones, i do not see them in the list.. |
| 22:47.25 | Psil0Cybin | i want support for my aspire one d270..yea please |
| 22:47.26 | sebastian | are you on wheezy? |
| 22:47.30 | Psil0Cybin | yes wheezy 7 |
| 22:47.36 | Psil0Cybin | i juist added the backports to my sources. |
| 22:47.39 | sebastian | uhh should be there |
| 22:47.45 | sebastian | did you aptitude update? |
| 22:47.51 | sebastian | or apt-get update, whatever you use |
| 22:47.54 | Psil0Cybin | no apt-get update |
| 22:48.03 | sebastian | you need to update first |
| 22:48.07 | kale | can anyone help me figure out how to resize a disk in kvm without shutting down the guest? it seems that for some reason the guest is unable to reread the partition table. both host and guest are jessie. |
| 22:48.17 | tete_ | hm |
| 22:48.19 | Psil0Cybin | sebastian what do u mean i updated the list with apt-get |
| 22:48.31 | Psil0Cybin | but im saying when i just tytped in linux-image it gives me a list of kernels with 3.2.0.4 |
| 22:48.32 | tete_ | could be because of the prio number |
| 22:48.36 | tete_ | do that: |
| 22:48.39 | tete_ | apt-cache show linux-image |
| 22:48.50 | tete_ | or was it info linux-image... |
| 22:48.59 | tete_ | then you should see all available packages |
| 22:49.01 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: What do you use to install Debian packages? |
| 22:49.06 | Psil0Cybin | it says Cant select versions from package linux image as it is puirely virtual |
| 22:49.08 | Psil0Cybin | nio packages found |
| 22:49.12 | Psil0Cybin | sorry cannot copy and paste using 2 diff laptops |
| 22:49.37 | sebastian | you added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main" to sources.list? |
| 22:49.49 | Psil0Cybin | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 22:49.54 | Psil0Cybin | following :http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:49.59 | DANtheBEASTman | +1 for http.debian.net |
| 22:50.12 | sebastian | DANtheBEASTman: what's the difference? |
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| 22:50.26 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, then try: apt-cache show linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:50.28 | DANtheBEASTman | sebastian: http://http.debian.net |
| 22:50.31 | elite_ | daftykins, please could someone use the sox application to generate a tone for me? becuase i do not have a sound card currently installed |
| 22:50.32 | tete_ | i dont know whats the name of the x86 kernel package |
| 22:50.34 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, i am using 32bit |
| 22:50.37 | DANtheBEASTman | sebastian: go and read for yourself |
| 22:50.41 | sebastian | well if it's finding that repo, then you should have a large list of kernels |
| 22:51.18 | sebastian | AFTER you apt-get update |
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| 22:52.35 | Psil0Cybin | i forsure ran apt-get update |
| 22:52.37 | Psil0Cybin | like 4 times now |
| 22:52.41 | Psil0Cybin | i am so confused... |
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| 22:52.55 | Psil0Cybin | i can see it Gets something from it |
| 22:52.58 | Psil0Cybin | or hits it when i run update |
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| 22:53.13 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: Read "Install a package from backports" on the website |
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| 22:53.43 | sebastian | try aptitude search linux-image |
| 22:53.52 | arthurb | Does anyone run inn2 on debian? |
| 22:54.44 | Psil0Cybin | dvs, still same result when i do apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image |
| 22:54.50 | Psil0Cybin | im going to try aptitude one second |
| 22:55.07 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 22:55.13 | Psil0Cybin | with aptitude i can see 3.13 or 3.14 |
| 22:55.16 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: "linux-image" is not the name of the package |
| 22:55.35 | sebastian | right so that gives you a list of all the packages that contain the words linux-image |
| 22:55.41 | Psil0Cybin | dvs, i know i am looking to see which kernels i could get i think that tete_ told me to run |
| 22:55.43 | sebastian | and now install the one you want |
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| 22:56.01 | Psil0Cybin | okay, sebastian which one would perhaps have better cedarview support or support for the acer aspire one |
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| 22:56.28 | Psil0Cybin | what does .bpo stand for? |
| 22:56.31 | sebastian | honestly have no clue, give 3.12, and/or 3.14 |
| 22:56.33 | sebastian | backports |
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| 22:56.39 | sebastian | i assume |
| 22:56.57 | lrockhq | are there any forum softwares out there that implenet pgp right there inside? |
| 22:57.04 | Psil0Cybin | sebastian, so try 3.12 and 3.14? |
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| 22:57.16 | lrockhq | need to find a better room. i run debian but my web server probably doesn't |
| 22:57.17 | Psil0Cybin | sorry i know i am asking a lot of questions, :P |
| 22:57.28 | sebastian | try one or the other, and see if it works |
| 22:57.37 | Psil0Cybin | okay, and i just aptitude install and then restart |
| 22:57.42 | Psil0Cybin | and load the new kernel? |
| 22:57.45 | Psil0Cybin | or do i need to do anything else |
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| 22:57.54 | sebastian | yeah, grub should have the new one |
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| 22:58.29 | sebastian | Psil0Cybin: if there are no errors, new kernel should be listed in grub on reboot |
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| 23:00.04 | Psil0Cybin | okay it is saying though that iw ill install other packages, and remove initramfs-tools{A} that stuff is all normal to see right? |
| 23:00.25 | tete_ | yes |
| 23:00.40 | Psil0Cybin | why is it asking me to put my CD into the drive? |
| 23:00.46 | Psil0Cybin | is that because the cd is added in my source list? can i remove that? |
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| 23:01.01 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: because you still have a CD entry in your sources.list file |
| 23:01.05 | sebastian | interestingly, i have initramfs-tools installed and im running 3.14, and was running 3.12 |
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| 23:09.33 | Psil0Cybin | question it says Error! Your kernel headers for kernel cannot be found |
| 23:09.45 | Psil0Cybin | buti t wont let me type it in , it just keeps looping it cannot be found |
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| 23:10.10 | Psil0Cybin | it also said errors were encountered while processing dmraid |
| 23:10.18 | Psil0Cybin | linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
| 23:10.20 | Psil0Cybin | mdadm |
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| 23:11.03 | Psil0Cybin | did i just mess something up? |
| 23:12.11 | Psil0Cybin | oh wow plenty of error codes :( |
| 23:12.27 | sebastian | it should have also installed kernel-headers |
| 23:12.38 | dvs | linux-headers! |
| 23:13.24 | sebastian | yes, search for linux-headers |
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| 23:15.32 | Psil0Cybin | yes but are the dmraid warnings/errors for general system issues or the new kernel like if i restart or something will i be able to get back into my system or did i mess something up? |
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| 23:16.34 | Psil0Cybin | well now i have Errors were encountered while processing: dmraid mdadm? |
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| 23:16.46 | Psil0Cybin | Current Status: 0 Broken [-3] |
| 23:16.52 | sebastian | Psil0Cybin: after installing linux-headers? |
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| 23:17.33 | sebastian | are you using raid anyway? |
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| 23:17.52 | Psil0Cybin | kk i am getting headers the && command did not work |
| 23:18.00 | Psil0Cybin | and i am not using raid i am using the encrypted LVM with encrypted home! |
| 23:18.05 | Psil0Cybin | lol so i do not want problems when i restart... |
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| 23:18.38 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: i already installed build-essentials |
| 23:18.48 | sebastian | && command? |
| 23:18.54 | Psil0Cybin | i did already get a dpkg error processing mdadm (--configure) |
| 23:19.03 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: but i need a new version of glib... |
| 23:19.08 | Psil0Cybin | still error were encountered while processing: dmraid |
| 23:19.10 | Psil0Cybin | mdadm |
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| 23:19.50 | Psil0Cybin | oh no :( |
| 23:20.44 | Psil0Cybin | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
| 23:20.59 | Psil0Cybin | did i just mess up my system? |
| 23:21.10 | sebastian | do you even need dmraid? |
| 23:21.18 | Psil0Cybin | do i for LVM encrypted? |
| 23:21.22 | Psil0Cybin | I am asking you i do not know |
| 23:21.28 | Psil0Cybin | Its a simple laptop with an encrypted LVM partition |
| 23:22.01 | sebastian | are you running the bloated desktop install? try aptitude why dmraid |
| 23:22.08 | Psil0Cybin | but the kernel did not install properly.,...can someone help me? I installed the kernel using aptitude then after i was told i needed the headers but now i feel like its all messed up |
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| 23:22.40 | Psil0Cybin | Keeps spamming me with Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.14-.0.bpo.1-686 |
| 23:22.57 | Psil0Cybin | Consult /var/lib/dkm/open-vm-tools/2012.05/21/build/makek.log |
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| 23:23.42 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: u there? |
| 23:24.25 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, thats the problem with backports ;) |
| 23:24.51 | Psil0Cybin | okay, tete_ can i restart and get back into my old kernel or did this mess up my system? |
| 23:24.54 | tete_ | you dont need dmraid for encrypted lvm |
| 23:25.00 | tete_ | i would not restart ... |
| 23:25.07 | tete_ | i would purge the new kernel and re-install the old one |
| 23:25.08 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
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| 23:25.27 | Psil0Cybin | so how would i do this? I am new...at the moment all i am doing is destroying the system can u perhaps give me the commands i would want to run |
| 23:25.33 | dvs | There's a big warning if you try to remove the current kernel |
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| 23:26.01 | neilthereildeil | guys, how can i install glib 2.12? |
| 23:26.05 | neilthereildeil | in debian? |
| 23:26.11 | Psil0Cybin | well what do i do when i am being spammed with the same warning Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel |
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| 23:26.20 | Psil0Cybin | it keeps saying that over and over, in the terminal and wont let me enter other commands |
| 23:26.25 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, what did you enter? what did it say? please use pastebin |
| 23:26.41 | tete_ | neilthereildeil, one does not simply change glib verions |
| 23:26.50 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, i entered exactly what you told me to enter |
| 23:26.56 | Psil0Cybin | i got the linux-kernel, it gave me plenty of errors |
| 23:27.03 | Psil0Cybin | then you said headers, so i got the headers and it gave me the same exact errors |
| 23:27.08 | Psil0Cybin | one second let me pastebin |
| 23:27.15 | Psil0Cybin | it just wont let me exit |
| 23:27.21 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: it sounds like you also need "linux-headers-686-pae" installed so that DKMS can build a module for you |
| 23:27.22 | Psil0Cybin | the spam |
| 23:27.55 | tete_ | i said headers? i dont think so ;) |
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| 23:28.55 | neilthereildeil | tete_: i need to install it in order to build Xen 4.4 |
| 23:28.55 | Psil0Cybin | http://pastebin.com/Z8LmDXmv |
| 23:29.26 | tete_ | neilthereildeil, but you know that nearly everything depends on the glib version? |
| 23:30.03 | tete_ | Psil0Cybin, try: apt-get install initramfs-tools |
| 23:30.16 | tete_ | hm i guess i know whats the problem... version mismatch |
| 23:30.30 | Psil0Cybin | downloading initramfs-tools |
| 23:31.27 | dvs | O_O |
| 23:31.56 | tete_ | you should _not_ continue as long as the errors did not disappear |
| 23:31.58 | Psil0Cybin | tete_, http://pastebin.com/CLfXXChS |
| 23:32.04 | tete_ | when you want to break the system, do that, but otherwise, dont |
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| 23:32.29 | Psil0Cybin | okay so plz help me :( lol |
| 23:32.29 | tete_ | when you do: apt-get install blah, and its complaining that blah was not installed, do _not_ continue with any other package as long as you know what you are doing |
| 23:32.50 | Psil0Cybin | it did not complain it said yes to install |
| 23:32.51 | Psil0Cybin | i said Yes |
| 23:32.55 | Psil0Cybin | and it gave me thosands of errors |
| 23:33.03 | Psil0Cybin | i then got the headers, and it continued with the errors. |
| 23:33.12 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: what do "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/update-initramfs*" say? |
| 23:34.02 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home,: http://pastebin.com/UCpjgrZF |
| 23:34.31 | tete_ | you entered a couple of commands which did not finish successful |
| 23:34.33 | tete_ | then you moved on |
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| 23:35.07 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: do you absolutely require live-tools present at this moment, or can you remove them temporarily? |
| 23:35.21 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: dpkg --remove live-tools, then retry dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:35.30 | Psil0Cybin | i honestly do not know i just do not want to damage my LVM encryption or what not |
| 23:35.35 | Psil0Cybin | okay let me try |
| 23:35.49 | sebastian | do you create backups :D |
| 23:35.55 | Psil0Cybin | yea |
| 23:35.59 | Psil0Cybin | this is a fresh install |
| 23:36.00 | Psil0Cybin | guys |
| 23:36.07 | sebastian | then whats the worry? |
| 23:36.09 | Psil0Cybin | moved from Xubuntu i have a backup, but i spent 2 days getting it to encrypt my swap |
| 23:36.10 | Psil0Cybin | :P |
| 23:36.12 | Psil0Cybin | LOL |
| 23:36.26 | Psil0Cybin | dont want to spend two days with the install again |
| 23:36.35 | tete_ | do this: |
| 23:36.44 | tete_ | ls -lah /usr/sbin/update-initramfs* and paste it somewhere |
| 23:37.00 | jelly-home | tete_: also, glib != glibc |
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| 23:37.19 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/B51QbRtf |
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| 23:37.50 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: you made a typo |
| 23:38.17 | Psil0Cybin | yes |
| 23:38.18 | Psil0Cybin | woops |
| 23:38.19 | Psil0Cybin | sorry |
| 23:38.22 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 23:38.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 23:38.27 | tete_ | jelly-home, i know that, but many packages still depend on glib, and of course on glibc which is even worse to update |
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| 23:39.47 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home,: http://pastebin.com/HiFvnhri |
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| 23:40.18 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: I don't see any errors there now. |
| 23:40.26 | Psil0Cybin | yea so that is good |
| 23:40.47 | Psil0Cybin | what would i do now? is the old kernel still broken? is the new one broken as well? what is my next step? |
| 23:41.41 | jelly-home | now you can go install an updated kernel, since one of the previous runs decided to remove it |
| 23:42.22 | Psil0Cybin | okay, would i start with the headers, or the linux image? or can i download them differently, and i had a completely unrelated error that was popping up? I am confused what just happend so i can learn, and not come back hjere again asking the same questions |
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| 23:43.21 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: in http://pastebin.com/CLfXXChS you had an error caused by update-initramfs, used in kernel package installation scripts, not running properly |
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| 23:43.46 | jelly-home | this was worked around by removing live-tools that mess with update-initramfs, |
| 23:43.53 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, now i get http://pastebin.com/6EgUmfxt would that be fine... |
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| 23:44.34 | natoka | oh my gosh ... who the hell came up with the idea in the gtk settings for the wacom tablet to simply rely on the button assignment of the wacom driver |
| 23:44.43 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, its telling me to remove "1) linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae " but that is the kernel that i originally, wanted to get..right to test out? so I am confused |
| 23:45.00 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: so tell it "n", then |
| 23:45.15 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: what do you get for "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae" ? |
| 23:45.22 | jelly-home | aptitude will try to think of a different "solution" |
| 23:45.54 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, after hitting N i get http://pastebin.com/mKcmpb9G |
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| 23:46.05 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, should i cancel |
| 23:46.08 | Psil0Cybin | and try that command? |
| 23:46.15 | Psil0Cybin | but what do i do with the image i already downloaded of 3.14? |
| 23:46.22 | sebastian | jmcnaught: meta packages are another headache |
| 23:46.27 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: that doesn't look too good either, so give it another n |
| 23:46.34 | Psil0Cybin | do i still have my old kernel? |
| 23:46.36 | Psil0Cybin | or is that long gone lmao |
| 23:47.10 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/X7B24xZz |
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| 23:48.00 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: this doesn't seem to go anywhere. (q)uit and be more explicit with the target release, like jmcnaught suggests |
| 23:48.23 | Psil0Cybin | what do i do with the images and files i already altered/installed? |
| 23:48.36 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: what files did you alter? |
| 23:49.06 | jelly-home | ,v linux-image-686-pae |
| 23:49.07 | judd | Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.14+59~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.14+59; sid: 3.14+59 |
| 23:49.44 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home,, jmcnaught: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8066754 |
| 23:50.05 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 23:50.06 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 23:50.12 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: ^^ follow the above. |
| 23:50.53 | jelly-home | (as it applies to the very last apt-get command you ran) |
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| 23:51.34 | dvs | dselect!?! |
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| 23:51.37 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: linux-image-686-pae, linux-headers-686-pae, and initramfs-tools are all relevant in this case |
| 23:51.38 | jelly-home | if "initramfs-tools" is uninstallable, that suggests your sources.list configuration is not complete |
| 23:51.45 | Psil0Cybin | sorry confused what you said? |
| 23:51.51 | pickering | I have set up exim4 to use google's smtp servers as a smarthost to send mail out of my system. This works when a FQDN is specified on the command line, like mail someone@internetaddress.com -- however, any scripts which mail statuses to, say "root" or a "username" without a domain name fail. I would like everything going to the root account to forward to the gmail address. Any idea how I can make my system do that? Meaning, when a script just |
| 23:51.52 | pickering | mails "root", I want that to go to "emailaccount@gmail.com" |
| 23:52.14 | sebastian | guys jmcnaught mentioned different packages, those are metapackages, and the guy already installed linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae. You're just confusing him more |
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| 23:52.40 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: read your last paste. Take notice of what you installed, and what apt-get complained about. Show us the output of "apt-cache policy all those packages" and "apt-cache policy" on its own. |
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| 23:53.58 | jelly-home | sebastian: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae is outdated, and not available any more at all |
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| 23:54.24 | jelly-home | sebastian: installing the metapackages from backports would have been the right approach from the start |
| 23:54.33 | dvs | up |
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| 23:55.10 | sebastian | really? well he installed that one, so that's interesting |
| 23:55.15 | Psil0Cybin | http://paste.debian.net/115958 |
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| 23:55.55 | sebastian | also, if it's outdated, why isn't aptitude telling me to upgrade? |
| 23:56.02 | Psil0Cybin | ugh i am so confused so what would i do next sorry guys? I ran apt-cache policy |
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| 23:56.53 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: read your http://paste.ubuntu.com/8066754 paste, Take notice of the package name you tried to install, and package names apt-get complained about. Show us the output of "apt-cache policy all those packages" |
| 23:58.05 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/115959 |
| 23:58.30 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: you can put all the package names into one command line |
