| 00:00.21 | jelly-home | this will help us figure out why apt-get thinks it cannot install some of those |
| 00:00.32 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/115960 |
| 00:01.27 | sebastian | apt-get vs aptitude? |
| 00:01.37 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: "apt-cache policy linux-headers-686-pae linux-image-686-pae initramfs-tools" |
| 00:01.38 | tsam | Just use apt :) |
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| 00:02.33 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/115961 |
| 00:03.28 | Otyugh | Mhm. I'd like a bit of help for debian user that know about mailserver. I did set up one using postfix and dovecot. This work for recieving. Altought, for sending, it says "Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname". I did set Helo rules, but I don't understand why there is a problem their. If this aspect is clear to you, please contact me :o |
| 00:03.50 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: "apt-get install initramfs-tools" first, then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae" if you still want to try the backports kernel |
| 00:04.00 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 00:04.06 | Psil0Cybin | let me try that |
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| 00:04.47 | Psil0Cybin | installing initramfs-tools removes linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae do i want to continue and hit Y? |
| 00:05.40 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/115962 |
| 00:05.41 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: if that's the only package it's removing this time, hit 'y'. Alternatively you could hit 'n' and do "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install initramfs-tools" instead |
| 00:05.52 | sebastian | tsam: Not good enough. Explain. 2 years ago aptitude was superior to apt-get. Now what? and this is the first time I noticed apt is even a command. That package isn't even install by default |
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| 00:07.26 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/115963 .. can i go along with installing the knl you suggested? like the command after initramfs-tools? |
| 00:07.44 | sebastian | actually it seems it is installed but i can't use it on a fresh install I just made. |
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| 00:08.27 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: yeah, do "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-kernel-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae" now |
| 00:09.18 | Psil0Cybin | kk you mean linux-image right, sorry i know i do that to people :P |
| 00:09.37 | jmcnaught | yes sorry linux-image-686-pae :) |
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| 00:10.26 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/115964 .... is that not the kernel we just removed? or that caused errors? good greaf. |
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| 00:11.45 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: the meta-package linux-image-686-pae will make sure the most updated kernel package is installed, note that it's ...bpo.2-686... (instead of 1) |
| 00:12.23 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, thank you sorry i really just want to make sure, after that mistake i caused by being careless..no other word to describe my actions, i really want to just do this with someone holding my hand, i really owe everyone here a beer or something... |
| 00:12.39 | Psil0Cybin | but i am learning, never again will i hit 'Y' without fully reading.. |
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| 00:13.42 | sebastian | why doesn't apt command work? |
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| 00:14.05 | sebastian | only works on a debian jessie chroot install I have on a chromebook. |
| 00:14.25 | jmcnaught | sebastian: "apt" is a new tool on Jessie, it's not available on Wheezy |
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| 00:15.45 | sebastian | i apt - commandline package manager |
| 00:15.49 | sebastian | ^ wheezy |
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| 00:16.21 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, only problem i got after those commands was mdadm: unchecked configuration file:/ /etc/mdmadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 00:16.29 | Psil0Cybin | no arrays defined in configuration file |
| 00:16.31 | Psil0Cybin | is that fine to restart? |
| 00:16.35 | jmcnaught | sebastian: look at the files that package comes with, it has apt-get and apt-cache, but not apt |
| 00:18.44 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: If you're not using mdadm or software raid it should be okay. you might do "aptitude why mdadm" to try and see why it's installed |
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| 00:19.27 | Psil0Cybin | OMG it worked! |
| 00:19.32 | Psil0Cybin | the new kernel also ficxed the backlight issue!! |
| 00:19.40 | Psil0Cybin | omg omg i could kiss everyone here!! |
| 00:19.45 | sebastian | depends: libapt-pkg4.12 (>= 0.9.7.9+deb7u2), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), debian-archive-keyring, gnupg |
| 00:20.25 | Psil0Cybin | omg jmcnaught, sebastian jelly-home tete_ everyone! yo uguys rock |
| 00:20.29 | sebastian | and jessie: Depends: libapt-pkg4.12 (>= 0.9.16), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.9), debian-archive-keyring, gnupg |
| 00:20.34 | jelly-home | !win Psil0Cybin |
| 00:20.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, Psil0Cybin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:21.08 | jmcnaught | sebastian: "dpkg -L apt" and you will see it does not contain a "/usr/bin/apt" on Wheezy |
| 00:21.23 | Psil0Cybin | now question about the new kernel, will it be upgraded later on at a later date? is it secure to use? I am really new, and learning about how kernels work, and i know some have vulnerabilities, some do not...some work some dont, so with this kernel, how can i find out more information on it at a later date, so i can know when its out dated for example or is it new and nothing to worry about for a while? |
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| 00:22.35 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Psil0Cybin -about backport caveat |
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| 00:23.15 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: because you have the meta-package installed, you will get kernel updates as they become available, but it might not be as high a priority as the Wheezy kernel |
| 00:24.37 | Psil0Cybin | dang jmcnaught alright, and the kernel i was using before was the most up to date from Wheezy, correct? so there would be no way to get an upgraded kernel that is more supported by wheezy? for updates/vulnerabilities, patches etc? or the old kernel would be my onlyoption/best bet? |
| 00:24.46 | sebastian | jmcnaught: okay so tsam responded with "just use apt" when I asked apt-get vs aptitude? I can use it on jessie. What about on apt-get vs aptitude on wheezy? ~2 years ago I was reading that aptitude was superior. But want to hear what some of you have to say? |
| 00:26.13 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: the kernel from backports is the best Debian has to offer if the stock kernel in Stable doesn't do what you need |
| 00:26.51 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, perfect thank you, this is what i needed to know..and last question, since I am asking really "basic" ended questions, what can I do to advance my knowledge in how Debian Functions, and how to Diagnose basic ended problems such as the ones I have experienced today.. |
| 00:26.59 | jelly-home | sebastian: that comment of tsam's cannot apply to wheezy |
| 00:27.28 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, is their perhaps a PDF or Ebook I could get that would get someone who is famiilour with Xubuntu, to transfer to debian and understand the changes.. |
| 00:27.38 | jmcnaught | sebastian: i think it's mostly down to personal preference. When you upgrade Debian from oldstable to stable the release notes usually say to use "apt-get". For day to day use, I prefer aptitude's searching because it's more flexible. |
| 00:27.41 | sebastian | i know which is why i ask, apt-get vs aptitude? And also include apt in there too now since i Just learned of it |
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| 00:28.04 | jelly-home | sebastian: sometimes aptitude works better, sometimes apt-get does. |
| 00:28.24 | jelly-home | !why aptitude |
| 00:28.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 00:28.29 | jelly-home | !why not aptitude |
| 00:28.29 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 00:28.34 | sebastian | i've always used aptitude, only apt-get when i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy |
| 00:28.49 | sebastian | jelly-home: ahh A+ |
| 00:28.56 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: I'm not sure what you used on Xubuntu, but "evince" is pretty good. "okular" is from KDE but will work in Gnome and does a good job. There's also "calibre" for managing and converting ebooks |
| 00:29.09 | sebastian | how do i learn those commands? |
| 00:29.15 | Psil0Cybin | what not converting...learning about debian |
| 00:29.16 | Psil0Cybin | :) |
| 00:29.26 | sebastian | the dpkg channel commands |
| 00:29.31 | Psil0Cybin | i want to learn more about how debian functions, how to get more knowledge so i do not ask silly questions here |
| 00:29.40 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell sebastian about selftell |
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| 00:30.29 | jmcnaught | sebastian: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ lets you search the factoids, there are also links at the top of that page for more info about the bots |
| 00:30.45 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Psil0Cybin about grounding |
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| 00:31.34 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: the Debian Reference and Debian Administrator's Handbook are both really good, and can be read online or installed as packages. You might also check out https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 00:36.33 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, dont break debian perfect that is what i Need. |
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| 00:42.28 | troulouliou_dev | hi i m trying this conf file to set up the keyboard layout in belgian : http://pastebin.com/y5ph6UMn |
| 00:42.46 | troulouliou_dev | any idea why it don't work ? |
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| 00:48.22 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: the more you read, the smoother things will go :) Also for just about any command that exists in Debian, there's a corresponding manual page that you can read with "man apt-get" for example |
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| 00:56.59 | carandraug | hi! I've got a new computer and getting a weird network problem. Although I'm using wlan0, it keeps trying to use eth0. If I bring that interface down it works, and if I bring it up, it still works fine for a few minutes. |
| 00:57.26 | carandraug | I just discovered the problem was by using the wrog interface by running 'ip route get ?.' |
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| 00:57.39 | carandraug | any idea how to solve this properly? |
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| 01:10.24 | neilthereildeil | is there a recommended way on debian to set the shared library search path? |
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| 01:11.14 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, you mean system-wide and permanent |
| 01:11.16 | carandraug | ? |
| 01:11.35 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 01:12.04 | neilthereildeil | i just compiled xen and make install installed the .so files corrrrectly, but xl cant find them |
| 01:12.16 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, you can add the path to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 01:12.16 | neilthereildeil | and i need to add their path to the search pathjj |
| 01:12.38 | neilthereildeil | oh wow |
| 01:12.42 | neilthereildeil | whats this? |
| 01:12.46 | neilthereildeil | there are files in there |
| 01:13.02 | neilthereildeil | i was thinking it would be something like $LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG |
| 01:13.28 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, that's another way LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 01:14.15 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, adding a file to that directory is probably the easiest way, not only t configure but also to remove in the future |
| 01:14.18 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: what are the files in that dir? |
| 01:14.48 | neilthereildeil | are these per binary or something? |
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| 01:16.57 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, I don't know about you. I add files for there for libraries I install myself which are not packaged in Debian |
| 01:18.27 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: so if i just compiled xen, and i am trying to run the 'xl' binary, would i make it xl.conf there? |
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| 01:21.28 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, yes. And that file would have the directory with the shared libraries |
| 01:21.55 | carandraug | this also means that any other program in the future can be linked to them |
| 01:22.04 | carandraug | also, you'll need to rerun ldconfig after |
| 01:22.04 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: hmmm i tried that |
| 01:22.16 | neilthereildeil | but when i relaunch myt rooot shell, it still doesnt find it... |
| 01:22.39 | neilthereildeil | do i have to reinitialize someething? |
| 01:22.44 | carandraug | run ldconfig |
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| 01:22.55 | neilthereildeil | ahh that worked |
| 01:22.56 | neilthereildeil | thanks :) |
| 01:23.10 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, did you understand what ldconfig did? |
| 01:23.18 | neilthereildeil | yep |
| 01:23.23 | neilthereildeil | just saw the manpage :) |
| 01:23.43 | neilthereildeil | i think this is the same as revdep-update in gentoo |
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| 01:30.39 | carandraug | I'm having this problem where the avahi daemon creats a eth0:avahi interface and I understand this happens when it fails to get an IP. The thing is that I'm not even using that ethernet port, I'm using wifi |
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| 01:45.39 | jelly-home | carandraug: does it create any problems apart from being a cosmetic annoyance? |
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| 01:47.30 | Psil0Cybin | jmcnaught, thank you so much for that heads up, i know there is a man page but usually my problem is knowing which command to run lol :P once i know which one to run i always run the man page after to learn more about it |
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| 01:48.21 | carandraug | jelly-home, yes. The connection defaults to it, so every time it comes up I lose connectino |
| 01:49.36 | carandraug | jelly-home, and even if I do 'ifconfig eth0 down', it will come up again after a few minutes and all my connections start to go through this fake eth0:avahi and failing |
| 01:49.39 | jelly-home | carandraug: /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf seems to have a deny-interfaces= option, read about it in man avahi-daemon.conf |
| 01:50.18 | Psil0Cybin | actually jmcnaught last question how can i find more information about a package i would want so lets say i want a program like gimp but i am not sure what the package name would be to install, how can i find out? even tho gimp comes with the desktop by default |
| 01:50.22 | jelly-home | in any case, that iface shouldn't declare the default route so something weird is going on there |
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| 01:50.55 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: "apt-cache search something" is a good start |
| 01:51.14 | carandraug | jelly-home, ok. But this is kinda of weird, and took me a while to figure it out (I'm not network savy but still). I was thinking of reporting a bug |
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| 01:51.25 | jelly-home | carandraug: which debian release is this |
| 01:51.36 | carandraug | jelly-home, jessie |
| 01:52.13 | jelly-home | ah, in that case as a user of testing you're kind of expected to check and possibly file the bugs reports on your own |
| 01:52.19 | jelly-home | also, |
| 01:52.21 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 01:52.21 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 01:52.25 | Psil0Cybin | ty jelly-home |
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| 01:52.59 | carandraug | jelly-home, yes, I know that and I'm confortable with it. |
| 01:53.03 | neilthereildeil | hey guys how can i tell which graphics driver i am using? |
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| 01:54.35 | carandraug | jelly-home, I'm unsure if it's related to this new machine which instead of a normal ethernet port has a small tiny thing that required an adapter |
| 01:54.44 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, lspci -k |
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| 01:58.51 | Psil0Cybin | on debian how can i check if my swap is encrypted? i used the LVM to encrypt the partitions, but typing blkid | grep swap as root, does not show an encrypted swap..typing dmsetup status, shows sda5_crypt but i am unsure if that means that the swap is encrypted is there any other way to check? could my old dm problem perhaps cause me to lose my encrypted swap? |
| 01:59.52 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: so if the output says im using the radeon driver, does that imply in noit using the generic framebuffer driver? |
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| 02:00.10 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: which devices does "swapon -s" show as active swap? |
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| 02:00.38 | Psil0Cybin | it shows /dev/mapper/computername-swap_1 |
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| 02:02.20 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: and what does "dmsetup table /dev/mapper/computername-swap_1" say, what does that device come from? |
| 02:02.38 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: also, "ls -Lla /dev/mapper/" |
| 02:02.52 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, I don't even know what's the framebuffer driver. Never heard of such kernel module |
| 02:03.27 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: or perhaps "lsblk" |
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| 02:04.15 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: i think thats what runs if you dont install a hardware specific gfx driver |
| 02:04.18 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/115967 |
| 02:04.22 | neilthereildeil | all: please correct me if im wrong |
| 02:05.28 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/115968 |
| 02:05.57 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: so dmsetup table says "stashb0x-swap_1" is a slice of device 254:0, and ls says that's sda5_crypt |
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| 02:06.30 | jelly-home | Psil0Cybin: lsblk output is hopefully easier to decipher for you |
| 02:06.33 | Psil0Cybin | so does that mean its still encrypted properly, or its giving mixed messages? |
| 02:06.49 | Psil0Cybin | yea it was easier to decipher, it seeems liket he swap is in the encrypted lvm? |
| 02:06.51 | Psil0Cybin | correct? |
| 02:07.06 | Psil0Cybin | thus making the swap encrypted? just ubuntu encrypts it differently with it being called cryptswap or something |
| 02:07.17 | jelly-home | your / and your swap seem to be stored inside a cryptsetup device |
| 02:08.02 | jelly-home | so yeah. your swap is encrypted, and not only that but the root filesystem is encrypted as well |
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| 02:08.50 | Psil0Cybin | jelly-home, that is the sexiest answer i have heard all day |
| 02:08.52 | Psil0Cybin | thank you. |
| 02:08.54 | Psil0Cybin | for confirming. |
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| 02:18.20 | hays | is testing/jessie depicted on this graph https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 02:18.46 | hays | or is green the 7.7 release |
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| 02:21.59 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: so i meant the meesa/vesa driiver |
| 02:22.01 | neilthereildeil | sorry |
| 02:22.41 | jelly-home | hays: green would be current testing at the time, so jessie right now |
| 02:23.00 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, I'll guess that if it's using one module then it's not using the other |
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| 02:23.57 | advorak | When I run startx or Xvfb, X loads ~/.xinitrc, am I correct? If so, how can I specify a different startup script to use? |
| 02:25.41 | hays | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 02:26.54 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: any idea how to get hardwar esupport for the 8000 series ATI Radeon? |
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| 02:27.42 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, no idea. I go out of my way to avoid ATI and nvidia graphics cards |
| 02:28.30 | neilthereildeil | i heard nvidia on Linux is OK |
| 02:28.37 | neilthereildeil | and ive seen that from experience |
| 02:28.43 | neilthereildeil | but i couldnt avoid ATI this time :( |
| 02:28.53 | hays | it seems to go back and forth a bit |
| 02:29.37 | neilthereildeil | can someone please help me install the 8000 family hardware driver? |
| 02:29.56 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, I don't like having to install proprietray blobs. I get an intel thing and don't worry about it. It's noyt like I do anything graphically intensive |
| 02:30.29 | neilthereildeil | carandraug: why does the proprietary blob matter? |
| 02:30.38 | neilthereildeil | unless ur reading the source code? |
| 02:32.58 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: upstream kernel will straight up refuse to look at bugs with nvidia blob loaded |
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| 02:33.20 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, different opinions. It's a matter of choice and belief on free software |
| 02:33.43 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: so basically you're completely without support if there's something wrong inside the kernel |
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| 02:34.16 | neilthereildeil | its better that an open source blob that doesnt wor k:) |
| 02:36.16 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: if it's open source, it's not a blob and you have a chance of looking at it or paying someone to look at it |
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| 02:36.57 | neilthereildeil | but then it breaks the whole idea of abstractions in software. just because im using it doesnt mean i should have to understand how it works |
| 02:36.58 | jelly-home | nvidia blob in place stops looking for bugs in _any_ part of the kernel, not just graphic driver |
| 02:37.20 | neilthereildeil | i can understand for supportability nobody likes blobs |
| 02:37.50 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, it breaks the whole idea of using a free operating system |
| 02:37.53 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: you can also understand there are these people called "developers" |
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| 02:38.49 | neilthereildeil | well, i guess its the reason ur using ur computer |
| 02:38.51 | jelly-home | if you're a "user" that does not want to know what goes inside, that's your prerogative. However when things break you want to be able to pay someone to fix it |
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| 02:39.44 | jelly-home | with open source, you can give the bits to anyone to look at and fix; with closed source, you're at the mercy of a single vendor |
| 02:39.48 | neilthereildeil | if ur using it trynna get something done (like developing a certain software) you need a base that works and then u build up fdrom there |
| 02:40.04 | neilthereildeil | otherwise ur using a computer just for the sake of using a computer |
| 02:40.32 | jelly-home | find me a base with zero bugs |
| 02:40.38 | jelly-home | I'll pay $1000 |
| 02:40.41 | neilthereildeil | yea i agree |
| 02:40.49 | neilthereildeil | the assumption is that it doesnt have bugs |
| 02:41.04 | neilthereildeil | but if im not using flash just cuz its not open source, it doesnt make sense to me |
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| 02:41.12 | jelly-home | in the meantime, debian gnu/linux is good enough |
| 02:41.18 | sebastian | im not using flash cuz flash sucks |
| 02:41.32 | sebastian | horrible, and closed source on top of it |
| 02:41.42 | bdog7 | sebastian, aggreed |
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| 02:42.37 | neilthereildeil | honestly, as a developer, if im trying to do develop a useraland application i dont want to first have to debug the kernel memory manager or something |
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| 02:42.46 | neilthereildeil | i dont care if its open or closed |
| 02:42.49 | neilthereildeil | as long as it works |
| 02:42.56 | neilthereildeil | so i can focus on my objective |
| 02:43.51 | neilthereildeil | but again, thats cuz im using the computer with a specific purpose in mind (likee developing my app). some people might jsut want to use it so they can say they are using 100% pure free software |
| 02:43.52 | jelly-home | if it works until you're 90% finished and then you find a glitch somewhere in the guts, it's nicer to be able to look at it yourself than not be able to do that at all |
| 02:44.28 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: there's a pragmatic and an idealist point of view here. Some people sway to the pragmatic side, some care about the long-term ideal more. |
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| 02:45.05 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: if ur developing a word processing app and u find a bug in the kernel scheduler, would you distribute a new kernel and tell custoomers to run your new kernel because of the bug? |
| 02:45.18 | sebastian | I don't know if anyone uses free software just so they can say that they use free software |
| 02:45.53 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: if they're using their machine to just run that one app, absolutely |
| 02:46.10 | neilthereildeil | i dont think anyone uses computer with just 1 app these days |
| 02:46.31 | jelly-home | my servers at work mostly run just one thing |
| 02:46.32 | neilthereildeil | like a computer for jsut browsinggg the web, and another computer for emails |
| 02:46.46 | DanDare | well, some does |
| 02:46.48 | jelly-home | there are a couple hundred of those and we're a small shop |
| 02:46.52 | DanDare | not domestic users though |
| 02:47.25 | neilthereildeil | it seems like this idea of everyone looking at the whole software stack beneath them breaks the idea of abstractions in software design |
| 02:47.45 | DanDare | a operator can be using any linux distro without even knowing it :p |
| 02:47.54 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: and then ud also have to support your custom kernel |
| 02:48.17 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: it wouldn't be custom, that's the beauty. |
| 02:48.30 | carandraug | neilthereildeil, you're missing the point. If it's open, you don't have a custom kernetl. You send it upsttream |
| 02:48.39 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: I'd send the fix to be integrated upstream and everyone would enjoy it |
| 02:48.46 | sebastian | lol |
| 02:49.04 | neilthereildeil | im talking about distributing a kernel like jelly-home was saying |
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| 02:49.44 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: yes. My customers would get the fix first. However it would also go upstream, and removed from local patches after it's accepted upstream. |
| 02:50.06 | jelly-home | that's what distros do with their customers |
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| 02:52.59 | DanDare | theres some wrong notion that closed source stuff are free of bugs? |
| 02:53.08 | neilthereildeil | lol not at all |
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| 02:53.24 | DanDare | open source OS is ready for end users, not only developers |
| 02:53.30 | DanDare | looks himself |
| 02:53.40 | neilthereildeil | heartbleed was an example though |
| 02:53.48 | neilthereildeil | no i dont think linux is ready for end users at all yet |
| 02:53.57 | neilthereildeil | ive been trying to install linux on this laaptop for like a week now |
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| 02:54.10 | neilthereildeil | 10 years ago when i statrted using linux, it was just as hard as it is now |
| 02:54.35 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, no way! it's easy now |
| 02:54.49 | DanDare | neilthereildeil, well.. im some end user Im not a developer at it does pretty well for me |
| 02:54.52 | neilthereildeil | can soemone pelase help me with my gfx driver issue then? :) |
| 02:55.00 | neilthereildeil | thats actually why im here |
| 02:55.06 | neilthereildeil | sorry-not trynna troll |
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| 02:55.17 | neilthereildeil | i have a 8000 family ATI card |
| 02:55.49 | neilthereildeil | and i think the driver is in backports |
| 02:55.54 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, you still on that, was backports any help not sure what card the backports driver supports |
| 02:55.55 | neilthereildeil | and im not sure how to install it |
| 02:56.22 | neilthereildeil | specificall wheezy-backports |
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| 02:56.51 | bdog7 | did you add backports to your apt sources? |
| 02:56.56 | DanDare | 10 years ago I was installing dependencies by hand :p |
| 02:57.05 | DanDare | or it was 13 ? something like that :p |
| 02:57.25 | neilthereildeil | i followed this: but it only supports up to the 7000 series |
| 02:57.59 | neilthereildeil | bdog7: yes |
| 02:58.28 | hays | things have definitely got better but any linux distro is a far cry from a commercial OS in terms of the grandma factor. or even the 'OS please stop demanding things from me' factor. much of this is not the fault of linux/oss developers. some of it is. jump in and help if you want |
| 02:59.00 | bdog7 | then........ nope I dunno, maybe sid/testing ? I haven't looked into it. I use oldish hardware |
| 02:59.29 | hays | are you guys talking about a backported kernel? |
| 02:59.33 | neilthereildeil | bdog7: i added this line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 02:59.54 | neilthereildeil | how can i install the 8000 driver from this point? |
| 03:00.31 | hays | i would find out what kernel they compiled against and install that version maybe |
| 03:00.35 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, then apt-get -t wheezy-backports install "package" ? |
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| 03:01.00 | hays | then install the blob straight from them |
| 03:01.19 | hays | does wheezy-backports have kernels? |
| 03:02.13 | neilthereildeil | bdog7: so "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-driver"? |
| 03:02.22 | bdog7 | yes |
| 03:02.27 | jelly-home | hays: yes. /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 03:02.36 | jelly-home | also, /msg judd kernels |
| 03:03.10 | bdog7 | neilthereildeil, and fingers crossedd |
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| 03:03.26 | jelly-home | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 03:03.27 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 03:03.56 | neilthereildeil | would wheezy-backports contain nonfree proprietary driver? |
| 03:04.29 | hays | looks like backports has a pretty recent version |
| 03:04.40 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home, judd: what are you guys saying ? |
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| 03:05.56 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: just looked up whether there actually was a later version of fglrx-driver there |
| 03:06.05 | sebastian | has debian development sped up? We're already at 7.6 |
| 03:06.20 | hays | ++version |
| 03:06.55 | jelly-home | sebastian: versioning numeration changed. This would have bee 7.0.6 in previous versioning style. |
| 03:07.32 | sebastian | jelly-home: thanks |
| 03:07.34 | jelly-home | 7.x are just normal point updates with critical fixes |
| 03:08.18 | hays | neilthereildeil: i came late and dont understand your problem fully but it seems like you have a choice to either try the backported version of the driver or try to install the driver straight from nvidia |
| 03:09.25 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: append " contrib non-free" to the deb line for wheezy-backports |
| 03:10.04 | jelly-home | fglrx-driver is in the non-free section, and you only enabled "main" |
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| 03:10.24 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: what will that do? |
| 03:10.46 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: it will enable contrib and non-free sections of the wheezy-backports repository? :-) |
| 03:11.16 | Psil0Cybin | if you change your mouse cursor, and its not changing completely, what would you do to change it what is the manual way of selecting x-cursor-theme |
| 03:11.25 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: so i already have this line in there |
| 03:11.26 | neilthereildeil | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 03:11.30 | neilthereildeil | can i just add to it? |
| 03:11.36 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: no, that's fine |
| 03:11.51 | hays | wait.. |
| 03:12.14 | Psil0Cybin | kind of like update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 03:12.16 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: you're missing contrib and non-free from this line: <neilthereildeil> bdog7: i added this line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 03:12.41 | hays | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:12.47 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: ok so they should be on different lines, right? |
| 03:13.01 | jelly-home | change it to what hays said |
| 03:13.09 | neilthereildeil | i should have one for wheezy and one for wheezy-backports |
| 03:13.14 | jelly-home | wonders whether "append" is an uncommon word |
| 03:13.41 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: do not touch other lines. |
| 03:13.48 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 03:13.50 | neilthereildeil | done |
| 03:14.05 | neilthereildeil | now how can i ddinf which version of fglrx-driver i have installed right now? |
| 03:14.13 | neilthereildeil | find* |
| 03:14.25 | jelly-home | after you do an aptitude update, you ought to see a change in "apt-cache policy fglrx-driver" output |
| 03:14.51 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 03:16.03 | neilthereildeil | wtf |
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| 03:16.12 | neilthereildeil | dpkg -l fglrx-driver |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | ii fglrx-driver 3.7-2 neilthereildeil's private porn collection |
| 03:16.16 | neilthereildeil | shows version as none |
| 03:16.40 | jelly-home | then it's not installed |
| 03:16.54 | neilthereildeil | un fglrx-driver <none> (no description available) |
| 03:17.13 | neilthereildeil | it shoes up |
| 03:17.22 | neilthereildeil | shows* |
| 03:17.34 | jelly-home | that means it is not installed. |
| 03:17.39 | neilthereildeil | hmm oh ok |
| 03:17.54 | hays | apt-get install thing |
| 03:18.20 | jelly-home | he doesn't want the thing. he wants the thing from wheezy-backports thing. |
| 03:18.39 | hays | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.44 | jelly-home | nope |
| 03:18.57 | hays | interesting. i did not know that |
| 03:19.36 | jelly-home | backports repo is created not to do that, because enabling it would pull ALL the backported stuff onto your system then |
| 03:19.51 | hays | yeah, that makes sense |
| 03:20.08 | jelly-home | hays: read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:20.48 | neilthereildeil | so i just ran apt-get update |
| 03:20.59 | neilthereildeil | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-driver |
| 03:21.07 | neilthereildeil | its downloading now |
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| 03:23.49 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: so how does updating work now? |
| 03:25.09 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: this is an automatic message. The user has gone to bed. You can leave a message after the signal. *BEEP* |
| 03:25.48 | Psil0Cybin | anyone perhaps know how to change mouse themes if using this command states you have no extra themes "sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme" I have two different cursor themes, when i roll over certain windows and the only mouse theme that is consistant is default |
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| 03:28.12 | tapout | is there a way to edit a bunch of conf files in debian, and then produce a set of patches that will let you run one patch and it will setup a new system how you generally want it to be configured? For example... I have the same changes to nginx.conf that I have to copy everywhere.. i was thinking maybe use patches |
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| 03:35.36 | cynicallemon | tapout: puppet comes to mind |
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| 03:38.27 | Psil0Cybin | so we have to install cursor themes once installed in debian in order to get the cursor theme to persist through different applications |
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| 03:47.53 | Psil0Cybin | okay figured out how to get cursor themes persistant, by creating /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme , but now how do i change the cursor size, lol and make that persistant, perhaps the same file? |
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| 03:54.32 | Dragon707 | Hello, i am running a debian web server with nginx-full, when i use WebDav it seems to work, however when i have a space in the folder i cant see that folder with any client for some reason ? |
| 03:54.48 | Dragon707 | All other files without spaces are visible |
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| 03:55.44 | Psil0Cybin | nvm i have a bigger problem on my hands lol my cursor now disapears randomly, as i move it |
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| 03:56.06 | Psil0Cybin | and go through the settings, wierd that adding something into /usr/share/icons/default/index woudl actually do that, might have to delete that file :P and stick with the default mouse theme, wierd as heck.. |
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| 04:53.59 | JordanJ2 | Hi all, How do I get the command "locale-gen"? |
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| 04:55.45 | tapout | in /etc/nginx/conf.d/nginx.conf, i put : worker_rlimit_nofile 65536; but it says in the log file that it's not allowed there when i; service nginx configtest, why is that? |
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| 04:57.04 | jmcnaught | JordanJ2: it's in /usr/sbin which is not in the $PATH of regular users, but is for root |
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| 04:57.58 | neilthereildeil | hye guys |
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| 05:03.02 | Gatis | hui |
| 05:03.03 | Gatis | hi |
| 05:03.19 | Gatis | HOw are you people? |
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| 05:04.11 | neilthereildeil | jelly-home: posted something a while do i have to uninstall the fglrx-driver i got from weezy-backports if i am installing the one from experimental? |
| 05:05.35 | somiaj | I would not install packages form experiemential on wheezy. |
| 05:05.50 | neilthereildeil | my driver isnt working on Xen |
| 05:05.55 | neilthereildeil | im trynna see if the latest would work |
| 05:06.09 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: i took ur advice that you gave me a few days ago |
| 05:06.13 | neilthereildeil | and installed from backports |
| 05:06.21 | neilthereildeil | for the fglrx-driver package |
| 05:06.27 | neilthereildeil | but Xen doesnt like it |
| 05:06.29 | somiaj | correct, wheezy-backports drivers are designed to work on wheezy |
| 05:06.32 | neilthereildeil | so im trying from experiemental |
| 05:06.46 | neilthereildeil | so would i uninstall first? |
| 05:06.54 | somiaj | experiemntial packages are not deisgned to run on wheezy, II would not try to install such things |
| 05:07.11 | somiaj | what do you mean Xen doesn't like it? |
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| 05:07.23 | jmcnaught | neilthereildeil: i agree, installing packages from experimental on wheezy will end in tears |
| 05:07.45 | somiaj | they probabaly arne't even installable since the core depends are in sid |
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| 05:08.00 | jmcnaught | neilthereildeil: did you use the Debian packages for Xen, or did you install from source? |
| 05:08.16 | neilthereildeil | from source |
| 05:08.26 | neilthereildeil | 4.4 |
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| 05:09.00 | neilthereildeil | im installing the experimental driver because its a newer version |
| 05:09.58 | somiaj | that will not work and will only end in most likely breaking apt |
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| 05:10.17 | jmcnaught | neilthereildeil: installing Xen from source is more likely to be the reason why things aren't working well. Did you try the packages for Xen available in Debian first? |
| 05:10.38 | neilthereildeil | now i need to install from sources |
| 05:10.41 | neilthereildeil | no* |
| 05:11.20 | Gatis | Good morning! |
| 05:11.29 | Gatis | How are you? :) |
| 05:11.49 | neilthereildeil | ok rebooting |
| 05:11.52 | neilthereildeil | brb! |
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| 05:12.05 | Gatis | Why in debian xfce there is no sound icon in taskbar? |
| 05:12.46 | Gatis | Why debian xfce has no sound icon in taskbar? |
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| 05:13.07 | Gatis | How can i install Hexchat on debian? |
| 05:13.25 | jmcnaught | Gatis: there's no need to repeat, if someone knows how to help they'll speak up |
| 05:13.32 | nkuttler | ,v hexchat |
| 05:13.46 | nkuttler | Gatis: like any other package |
| 05:13.57 | Gatis | i doesn't work |
| 05:14.20 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 05:14.21 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 05:14.39 | Gatis | i did: aptitude install hexchat |
| 05:14.43 | Gatis | not working |
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| 05:15.37 | Gatis | E: Unable to locate package hexchat |
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| 05:16.02 | xwalk_ | That dpkg message on that phrase is glorious. |
| 05:16.08 | nkuttler | Gatis: ah, looks like it's in backports only |
| 05:16.12 | nkuttler | !tell Gatis about backports |
| 05:16.59 | Gatis | why it's not enabled? |
| 05:17.08 | waflessnet | o/ |
| 05:17.12 | waflessnet | hello |
| 05:17.14 | nkuttler | Gatis: because you're not a debian developer and packaged it for wheezy |
| 05:17.31 | waflessnet | someone use django ? |
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| 05:17.55 | nkuttler | waflessnet: if you have a question, just ask |
| 05:17.59 | Gatis | hmmm |
| 05:18.11 | Gatis | Why debian doesn't have something like software center? |
| 05:18.17 | jmcnaught | Gatis: you need to add backports yourself, it's not added by default |
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| 05:18.38 | waflessnet | nkuttler, ok ! |
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| 05:18.48 | waflessnet | I copy by git developing an app that x machine (linux) then I brought this project to another machine (OpenBSD), where you install python and django, by running: python manage.py syncdb the session tables, user created, auth, etc. but not of app |
| 05:19.28 | waflessnet | when i run django-admin.py sqlcustom poster |
| 05:19.36 | waflessnet | poster is the app |
| 05:20.52 | Gatis | When Debian wheezy was released? |
| 05:21.28 | Gatis | I got you Debian Wheezy is old |
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| 05:25.11 | Gatis | Why Ubuntu has hexchat? |
| 05:25.16 | Gatis | wondering |
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| 05:27.46 | Gatis | doesn't understand what is backports |
| 05:28.17 | nkuttler | Gatis: read the pm the bot sent you |
| 05:28.21 | nkuttler | !backports |
| 05:28.21 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 05:28.44 | Gatis | !ABI |
| 05:28.44 | dpkg | somebody said abi was application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>. |
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| 05:29.19 | Gatis | !dependency |
| 05:29.19 | dpkg | A dependency is a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get/aptitude/synaptic. Packages are listed as dependencies for a good reason... if you think you don't need that package, then most likely you don't know what "dependency" means. Go look it up and ask me about <policy>. |
| 05:29.23 | danlamanna^ | does wheezy support a bootable volume within lvm |
| 05:29.51 | Gatis | !politcy |
| 05:29.55 | Gatis | !Policy |
| 05:29.55 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 05:30.05 | nkuttler | Gatis: please /msg the bot |
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| 06:07.49 | Psil0Cybin | wierd when i use a custom mouse theme for a while, i notice that sometimes my cursor disappears and reappears is this a kernel issue or display issue or a theming problem? at first for the first few hours it works fine but after a while certain situations like not moving the cursor makes it invisable. |
| 06:07.53 | Psil0Cybin | and then the second i move it it comes back |
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| 06:32.44 | CHVNX | I just did a dist-upgrade (using testing) and it screwed up my screen resolution. My default resolution is no longer detected after rebooting. Intel onboard graphics. I can manually set the resolution after screwing around with gtf and xrandr, but it's still not perfect because my panel is now a few pixels offscreen. Anyone know what's up, why that would happen, and how to fix it? |
| 06:34.57 | CHVNX | Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller. |
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| 07:50.23 | tapout | whenever I reboot my box, it responds to pings when it comes up but no services open their ports. I have to go into my power management and power cycle, then the box will boot with the services coming too.. any ideas? |
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| 07:56.43 | Otyugh | were are postfix's logs located in debian ? |
| 07:57.05 | nkuttler | Otyugh: /var/log |
| 07:57.27 | nkuttler | Otyugh: must be /var/log/mail* or /var/log/postfix*, not sure right now |
| 07:57.44 | babilen | It's /var/log/mail* |
| 07:57.54 | nkuttler | yeah, thought so |
| 07:58.05 | babilen | Otyugh: Where did you expect them to be? |
| 07:58.08 | Otyugh | so either they are empty, either they are not there. |
| 07:58.18 | babilen | Or you are not using postfix |
| 07:58.33 | Otyugh | I am using postfix. |
| 07:58.47 | nkuttler | or you disabled logging |
| 07:58.51 | babilen | Good, so do I |
| 07:59.02 | nkuttler | or let it log somewhere else |
| 07:59.04 | Otyugh | not strugling on it for days for not being using it. é_è |
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| 08:00.13 | Otyugh | postfix says the log location is mentioned in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 08:00.19 | Otyugh | I don't have such file :/ |
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| 08:01.28 | nkuttler | Otyugh: ps auxw | grep postfix |
| 08:01.48 | babilen | Which syslog do you use? |
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| 08:02.06 | tapout | i setup /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted, but my www-data is still at 1024, what the? |
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| 08:02.29 | Otyugh | root 2558 0.0 0.5 4952 1736 ? Ss 07:35 0:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master |
| 08:02.33 | nkuttler | Otyugh: btw, anything in /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 08:03.09 | Otyugh | nkuttler: ther it is :o |
| 08:03.11 | Otyugh | thanks |
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| 08:03.52 | nkuttler | Otyugh: yeah, i think the other log files might only be written to if you actually send/receive mail |
| 08:04.35 | babilen | is still not quite sure what Otyugh is trying to do or what the problem was |
| 08:05.23 | Bluewolf | Hi all, I have just installed Debian 7.6.0 Gnome on my desktop. During the installation process I selected a server or site to download Debian updates which I think is wrong as its downloading very slowly, how do I change this and find out which is the faster server to download from in my location? |
| 08:05.50 | Otyugh | babilen: just trying to get my pstifx's logs |
| 08:05.56 | Otyugh | there is a lot in syslog. |
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| 08:06.43 | Bluewolf | babilen: Good to see you here, finally moved on but have lots of questions and issues. |
| 08:07.01 | nkuttler | !tell Bluewolf about sources.list |
| 08:07.24 | babilen | Bluewolf: Use something like http://paste.debian.net/115984/ |
| 08:07.35 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: if the cdn gives you a slow server, you can use tools like apt-spy |
| 08:08.37 | babilen | (which runs a test only once and a small one at that) |
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| 08:10.01 | Bluewolf | Ah I'm a bit lost here? |
| 08:10.47 | babilen | Bluewolf: Are you? |
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| 08:17.02 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay scratch the other problem, I need to install my Nvidia Drivers as this system is freezing. I had the same problem in ubuntu how do I do this? |
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| 08:18.07 | Bluewolf | Were do I download the drivers from, how do I find out what drivers I need? |
| 08:18.13 | babilen | Bluewolf: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 08:19.07 | babilen | You would have wheezy-backports already configured with the sources.list I pasted. |
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| 08:19.46 | Bluewolf | babilen: Just so you know incase it freezes again 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT215 [GeForce GT 240] [10de:0ca3] (rev a2) |
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| 08:21.37 | babilen | But if your system freezes constantly and you had that issue on other distributions it *might* very well be a hardware issue. I'd also try a newer kernel (cf. <bdo kernel> -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
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| 08:23.15 | Bluewolf | babilen: I did the same thing on a fresh install Of Linux Mint 14 and Ubuntu 14.04. Once the drivers were installed there were no further issues. I checked the hardware at the time. |
| 08:23.34 | Bluewolf | I don't where and what to do here, |
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| 08:27.40 | babilen | Bluewolf: Do where? To achieve what? |
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| 08:28.32 | Bluewolf | babilen: I'm struggling to get the Nvidia Drivers, as well as what to do to get there? |
| 08:28.42 | Bluewolf | I'm being a pain now |
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| 08:30.35 | Bluewolf | I follow the installation on this site (https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) Yes? |
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| 08:31.43 | Epakai | yes |
| 08:32.01 | Bluewolf | In fact yeah I'm lost :) |
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| 08:35.50 | Bluewolf | It says ( Add wheezy-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list, for example: ) how when I put int the below it does not work in terminal? |
| 08:37.31 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: show us your actual file, paste.debian.net |
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| 08:38.46 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: I'm trying to follow this site - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 08:39.03 | Bluewolf | For Nvidia Drivers |
| 08:39.04 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: that's not what i asked |
| 08:39.33 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Then what do you mean by my actual file? |
| 08:39.52 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: your sources.list file. and the error would help as well |
| 08:39.59 | oxka | I have some odd issue with hexchat that I installed. For some reason at a certain point it froze the settings. I can no longer change configurations and hope for them to stay after the reboot. |
| 08:40.45 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: I don't understand, and there is not error or perhaps I'm not looking for one |
| 08:40.57 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 08:40.57 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 08:44.23 | babilen | Bluewolf: Please run "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:45.02 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Okay from the begining, I have a fresh install of Wheezy (My Nvidia GeForce GT 240 Drviers are not installed) My system froze (The screen at least) So I had to reboot and it might do it again until I have the drivers installed, it did the same thing when I freshly installed Linux Mint 14 and Ubuntu. Anything else I need to tell you? |
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| 08:45.31 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: sounds like a hardware problem to me, not a driver issue |
| 08:45.36 | cynicallemon | oxka: that sounds weird |
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| 08:45.46 | babilen | Bluewolf: Yes, at which step when following https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports do you run into problems? And if so: What are those problems? |
| 08:46.06 | cynicallemon | oxka: i use hexchat and its performed fine |
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| 08:47.50 | Bluewolf | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115986/ I'm having problems with: Installation Debian 7 "Wheezy" the first point (1) what is the command I put in? |
| 08:48.01 | smartass | hi, I'm trying to install the Termsyn font ... I installed it in ~/.fonts/termsyn/, fc-cache -fv detects it but fc-list doesn't and the xserver also doesn't see it |
| 08:48.21 | cynicallemon | oxka: you can remove your currents settings and start again by renaming or deleting ~/.config/hexchat folder |
| 08:48.43 | oxka | cynicallemon, When I want to add channels to hexchat I have to go to the edit the servelist.conf. The problem comes when I want to make change other settings. |
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| 08:49.03 | lastnode | what is the recommended debian image for use with Amazon EC2? |
| 08:49.13 | smartass | am I missing some layout guidelines for ~/.fonts/ ? |
| 08:49.14 | lastnode | id prefer to use an official one |
| 08:49.26 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: That was I was told on Ubuntu and Mint Channels but I checked it and according to them both it was not. Once the drivers were installed it never froze again |
| 08:49.49 | babilen | Bluewolf: That is not the sources.list I gave you earlier |
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| 08:50.23 | babilen | Bluewolf: Please edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove *everything* in the and replace that with http://paste.debian.net/115984 |
| 08:50.26 | nkuttler | lastnode: no idea about recommended, but i use ami-954559e1 |
| 08:50.32 | babilen | *in there |
| 08:50.33 | oxka | cynicallemon, I guess I may need to do that. Thanks! |
| 08:51.09 | cynicallemon | oxka: funny thing is i swore i added some startup channels for freenode earlier and they are gone... |
| 08:51.12 | Otyugh | there is a lot in syslog. |
| 08:51.16 | lastnode | nkuttler: im just worried about using a community .ami without a security audit |
| 08:51.23 | dontknow | isn't it enough to get video thumbnails from thunar by installing tumbler-plugins-extra ffmpegthumbnailer? |
| 08:51.26 | babilen | Bluewolf: And, fwiw, the first step is "Add wheezy-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list, for example" and not "Installation Debian 7 "Wheezy"" |
| 08:51.28 | lastnode | like ptotentially nkuttler someone could install a rootkit and roll an .ami right |
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| 08:52.03 | smartass | could someone please help me with installing fonts in ~/.fonts/ ? |
| 08:52.30 | oxka | cynicallemon, That is what is happening with me as well. |
| 08:52.38 | cynicallemon | oxka: if you get no joy doing that i suggest contacting package maintainer or hexchat guys |
| 08:52.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell smartass -about install font |
| 08:53.45 | cynicallemon | oxka: i will check later and as im not on the actual machine i configured it on |
| 08:55.06 | smartass | babilen: I did that, but Xorg doesn't seems to find it ... fc-list neither |
| 08:56.05 | oxka | cynicallemon, I already spoke with hexchat guys and they can not find any issue since the servelist.conf file can be edited manually so it is not a permissions problem with the file. |
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| 08:56.45 | cynicallemon | oxka: did u try contacting the package maintainer? |
| 08:56.48 | smartass | babilen: but fc-cache -fv does detect it |
| 08:57.09 | Bluewolf | babilen: I'm aware the first step is "Add wheezy-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list", I put in "Installation Debian 7 "Wheezy" to let you know where I was. How do I add back ports to /etc/apt/sources.list exactly through the Terminal? Do I put that in the terminal as is?- wheezy-backports deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 08:57.37 | themill | lastnode: the debian project releases AMIs that are put together by developers |
| 08:57.47 | lastnode | themill: thank you. link please? |
| 08:58.04 | themill | lastnode: https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image |
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| 08:58.47 | nkuttler | oh, looks like that page was updated |
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| 08:59.18 | oxka | cynicallemon, I installed hexchat from the repos so I guess I could contact them and see what they think of it but before that I may delete the ~/.config/hexchat folder and see if that does any thing. |
| 08:59.32 | lastnode | thanks themill |
| 08:59.55 | Bluewolf | babilen: I have no clue what I am doing or how to do it. I'm not a great Linux user. I'm not familiar with the terminal or the command line. |
| 08:59.57 | babilen | Bluewolf: No, you would use an editor to edit that file. One such editor is, for example, nano and you could run "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 09:00.37 | babilen | Bluewolf: The most important point is to ask the right questions. Don't say "I'm stuck" but "I don't know how to add those lines to my sources.list" |
| 09:00.46 | cynicallemon | oxka: ok, if its happened to me and hexchat said its not them then it must lie with the package maintainer but im not sure what it could be |
| 09:01.28 | babilen | Bluewolf: So, once you've edited that file write it with CTRL-O (^O at the bottom) and then exit the editor with CTRL-X -- You will have to edit it as root or with sudo. |
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| 09:03.03 | dontknow | what packages should i install to get video thumbnails in thunar. i installed tumbler-plugins-extra and ffmpegthumbnailer but i have no video thumbs |
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| 09:04.01 | Bluewolf | babilen: Truth is I don't know how to explain my situation exactly because I don't know where I'm am stuck. Okay done nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list, you say ctrl O to edit (What exactly am I editing or putting in?) |
| 09:04.08 | dontknow | no one use xfce here? |
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| 09:04.37 | cynicallemon | i do |
| 09:04.51 | oxka | cynicallemon, I am at the moment on HexChat 2.10.0. I should update it sooner or later. |
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| 09:04.57 | dontknow | cynicallemon, do you get video thumbnails in thunar? |
| 09:05.20 | babilen | Bluewolf: You can remove characters in there with the delete key and add a character you want by pressing that character on your keyboard. This together should allow you to make that file look like http://paste.debian.net/115984 (I gave you that link three times now) |
| 09:05.52 | cynicallemon | dontknow: yes but im using debian sid |
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| 09:06.02 | babilen | Bluewolf: Once you completed that you can write the file by holding the ctrl key and the o key simultaneously and then exit the editor with ctrl-x |
| 09:06.24 | cynicallemon | oxka: 2.10.0 is the latest i think |
| 09:06.28 | dontknow | cynicallemon, what packages did you install to get thumbs? |
| 09:07.55 | dontknow | cynicallemon, do you remember? |
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| 09:08.36 | cynicallemon | dontknow: cant remember exactly but i think it may be tumbler |
| 09:09.02 | Bluewolf | babilen: I have the link open in my browser since you gave it to me. this is what my termianl looks like now what am I editing?????? - http://paste.debian.net/115989/ |
| 09:09.52 | dontknow | cynicallemon, ok |
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| 09:11.25 | babilen | Bluewolf: Make what you have in there look *exactly* like what I pasted. I don't care how you do that. You could remove everything and then type what I pasted, you could replace each occurrence of "cdn." with "http." and then remove lines that aren't there and add the ones for backports. |
| 09:11.35 | babilen | Bluewolf: Really .. you can edit, make them identical. |
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| 09:12.51 | babilen | Bluewolf: And you don't press CTRL-O to edit you press it to save your changes *once* you completed the editing |
| 09:13.05 | oxka | cynicallemon, Some times when I run into issues I just install some brand new linux distro so that I avoid doing all sorts of fixing to a system. |
| 09:14.36 | cynicallemon | oxka: i know what you mean but im getting too old to keep changing distros now |
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| 09:14.48 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay am I getting somewhere or still a lost cause? - http://paste.debian.net/115991/ |
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| 09:15.37 | babilen | Bluewolf: They still look different |
| 09:16.43 | babilen | Bluewolf: I want that file to look *exactly* like http://paste.debian.net/115984 -- No "dev cdrom ..." line in there, no line with cdn. nor anything else. *Exactly like that*. Just do it. |
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| 09:22.33 | Bluewolf | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115993/ |
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| 09:23.36 | cynicallemon | oxka: i see on hexchat website that the source code is version 2.10.1 so some small fixes maybe but you'd have to compile it - best speak to the package maintainer first maybe |
| 09:23.38 | babilen | Bluewolf: Yes, exactly. Now save it with ctrl-o and exit the editor with ctrl-x. Continue as detailed on the wiki. |
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| 09:27.48 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay when you say exit the editor after saving does that mean close the terminal? |
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| 09:28.12 | oxka | cynicallemon, I am not sure but maybe it has some thing to do with me changing the theme of hexchat. I moved dozens of files straight into the /config/hexchat folder. |
| 09:28.26 | babilen | No, I mean what I said: Exit the editor with ctrl-x. You should no longer be in the editor but back in the terminal at that point. |
| 09:28.34 | babilen | Bluewolf: ^ |
| 09:29.06 | cynicallemon | oxka: maybe, ive changed to a custom theme |
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| 09:32.06 | oxka | cynicallemon, It is the two e-mails on this site: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/. |
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| 09:35.03 | oxka | I need to contact osamu@debian.org? He is the package maintainer right? |
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| 09:38.14 | Bluewolf | babilen: What exactly am I doing wrong here, I can't get it to save? http://paste.debian.net/115997/ |
| 09:39.16 | cynicallemon | oxka: hexchat maintainer is Jesse Rhodes drubo@drubo.net |
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| 09:39.32 | Bluewolf | babilen: When I press ctrl x it does this http://paste.debian.net/115999/ |
| 09:39.56 | oxka | cynicallemon, Oh, sorry I thought you meant the guys from the debian repos. lol |
| 09:40.13 | cynicallemon | oxka: you could also file a bug report though - https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 09:41.33 | oxka | cynicallemon, I am sure to do that too. |
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| 09:42.02 | cynicallemon | oxka: cool |
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| 09:47.54 | cendora | hi |
| 09:48.21 | cendora | How can I boot Rescue system from debian gnome live 7.6.0 ? |
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| 09:49.51 | oxka | cynicallemon, Reporting a bug is the only way I can do some thing for debian. |
| 09:49.52 | cendora | ?? |
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| 09:50.14 | cendora | How can I boot Rescue system from debian gnome live 7.6.0 ? anyone knows ? |
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| 09:50.21 | cynicallemon | oxka: every little bit helps |
| 09:51.00 | cybrNaut | pastebinit seems to no longer work |
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| 09:51.13 | cybrNaut | what are folks using these days? |
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| 09:51.46 | cynicallemon | cendora: you want to use debian live as the rescue tool? |
| 09:52.32 | cendora | I want to boot Rescue system from live cd ? |
| 09:52.56 | cendora | cynicallemon yes |
| 09:53.06 | heurist | cybrNaut: <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:53.44 | Bluewolf | babilen: It's telling me [ Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied ] each time I try save it? |
| 09:54.14 | at00m | cendora: open a terminal then as root, 'chroot /target/root/partition' ? |
| 09:54.46 | cendora | Ok, I'm really stuck here, |
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| 09:55.05 | cendora | I want to install debian on a fakeraid10 |
| 09:55.15 | cendora | but it is fail |
| 09:55.18 | Bluewolf | babilen: Must I put in sudo somewhere? |
| 09:55.35 | cendora | as mentioned here,https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 09:56.00 | cendora | I have to boot into Recue system |
| 09:56.14 | Bluewolf | babilen: Like "sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" or something like that? |
| 09:56.20 | cendora | but I don't know how to complete those steps |
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| 09:57.07 | cynicallemon | i would avoid fakeraid, seen too many things go wrong with them |
| 09:57.27 | cendora | I want to have 4TB :( |
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| 09:57.46 | heurist | cybrNaut: and it looks like pastebinit is only broken with paste.debian.net it works file with sprunge.us |
| 09:57.56 | cendora | other desitros have no problem |
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| 10:00.04 | cynicallemon | why not setup software raid? |
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| 10:01.58 | cendora | cynicallemon that what I'm planning on, now |
| 10:02.01 | cendora | :( |
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| 10:03.14 | cynicallemon | i have a software raid 1 setup - its solid |
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| 10:04.37 | heurist | cendora: not following what you are trying to do exactly, but have you looked at LVM? |
| 10:04.58 | babilen | Bluewolf: Yes, I told you that you have to run it as root or with sudo |
| 10:05.22 | smartass | if I want to create a local repository and build toolchain for backports, what packages are recommended? which to select from cowbuilder/sbuild and reprepo/mini-dinstall ? |
| 10:05.46 | cendora | heurist |
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| 10:06.10 | babilen | Bluewolf: About an hour ago: "Bluewolf: So, once you've edited that file write it with CTRL-O (^O at the bottom) and then exit the editor with CTRL-X -- You will have to edit it as root or with sudo." |
| 10:06.12 | cendora | heurist |
| 10:06.17 | babilen | cendora: Don't do that. |
| 10:06.37 | cendora | loll, sorry it hange out |
| 10:06.46 | cendora | really, not intended :( |
| 10:06.47 | troulouliou_dev | hi how to set up a belgian lkeyboard ayout under X with a conf file ? |
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| 10:07.47 | cendora | heurist, I'm even not familiar with lvm and softraid |
| 10:08.17 | heurist | cendora: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM |
| 10:08.21 | cybrNaut | heurist: thanks |
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| 10:17.56 | troulouliou_dev | hi how to set up a keyboard layout under X at boot time |
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| 10:22.18 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay I know what to do there now. I used sudo and this is what its telling me, how do I run it as root ( Simply root?) http://paste.debian.net/116000/ |
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| 10:27.05 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: run "su -" or "su" to open a root shell |
| 10:28.12 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: the above means you have not configured sudo to allow execution for your normal user, yet |
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| 10:29.05 | Bluewolf | jelly-home: So I would I do that, it should already be configured should it not? |
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| 10:29.54 | jelly-home | it shouldn't. sudo configuration is complex and there's no sensible default |
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| 10:31.17 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: read /msg dpkg sudo, and related factoids and documentation if you want to learn more |
| 10:31.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about sudoers |
| 10:32.19 | babilen | Bluewolf: You probably want to install the sudo package and then run "adduser YOURUSER sudo" and relogin. But then I don't know what you want :) |
| 10:32.23 | babilen | (just guessing) |
| 10:33.08 | jelly-home | (it's installed already, but apparently not configured) |
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| 10:34.47 | Bluewolf | So to configure it now? - adduser YOURUSER sudo? |
| 10:35.21 | Bluewolf | babilen: I guess I have to configure it to continue with the drivers? |
| 10:35.23 | babilen | Bluewolf: Well, you naturally have to replace YOURUSER with the name of your user |
| 10:35.33 | Bluewolf | Yes |
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| 10:35.56 | babilen | Bluewolf: No, you don't. You can edit your sources.list as root (jelly-home showed you earlier how that works) |
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| 10:37.35 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay doing that now |
| 10:38.09 | babilen | You might still want to configure sudo for your user though |
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| 10:40.12 | Bluewolf | babilen: Yes it might be best I do do that, I have done the backports continuing on with the wiki page |
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| 10:42.20 | Bluewolf | babilen: Running aptitude update which is still working, then onto step three |
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| 10:45.02 | troulouliou_dev | hi can anybody help ; my X keyboard is always in us; however i jhave configured be in /etc/default/keboard |
| 10:45.58 | jelly-home | troulouliou_dev: pastebin the contents of /etc/default/keyboard (I assume that was a typo) |
| 10:46.10 | jelly-home | troulouliou_dev: which debian release is this? |
| 10:46.42 | Bluewolf | babilen: In setting the backports as I have done does that sort out the right update server? |
| 10:47.47 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, it is an up to date stable |
| 10:49.09 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/34Sgkc9g |
| 10:49.33 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, but i m strating X with slim + startlxde in xinitrc |
| 10:50.24 | Bluewolf | babilen: Do I run step three as is? aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') |
| 10:50.27 | Bluewolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.02 | jelly-home | troulouliou_dev: hm, doesn't slim have some sort of menu to pick the lxde session? |
| 10:52.04 | babilen | Bluewolf: Yes, we wouldn't have written the instructions that way if it weren't possible. Fwiw the "uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" part just figures out which kernel header image to install. You can, if you run amd64, also just run "aptitude install linux-headers-amd64" (or "aptitude install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64" if you don't have the metapackage installed) |
| 10:53.13 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, throug Xsession but i m not using it and disabled in slim.conf |
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| 10:53.54 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, setxkbmap works; but i want to set up a keyboard.conf in xorg.conf.d |
| 10:53.58 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay so continue or run"aptitude install linux-headers-amd64" ? http://paste.debian.net/116001/ |
| 10:54.14 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, i think that the actual version in debian stable don't handle it |
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| 10:55.13 | babilen | Bluewolf: They should be identical. What does "uname -r" give you? |
| 10:57.06 | Bluewolf | babilen: 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 10:57.30 | babilen | Bluewolf: So, you have the package installed already. Nothing to see here, move along. |
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| 11:00.29 | blackjack | guys i have a question |
| 11:00.39 | blackjack | is hexchat supported on debian? |
| 11:00.42 | babilen | sure |
| 11:00.45 | blackjack | the xchat program |
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| 11:00.53 | blackjack | ok |
| 11:00.54 | blackjack | how about crunchbang which is debian too |
| 11:01.01 | babilen | I have no idea, ask them |
| 11:01.05 | babilen | dpkg: crunchbang |
| 11:01.05 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 11:01.32 | babilen | blackjack: And crunchbang is most decidedly not Debian (but Crunchbang, it wouldn't have another name if it were the same) |
| 11:01.51 | babilen | Oh, CaMeLcAsE |
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| 11:06.33 | anayeli | ------------------ |
| 11:06.33 | anayeli | -----GAY-NAZI----- |
| 11:06.34 | anayeli | ----YOU--LIKE----- |
| 11:06.34 | anayeli | ----THE--COCK----- |
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| 11:06.56 | Disconsented | Bit of an oxymoron |
| 11:07.43 | Bluewolf | babilen: Onto step 4 which is done now step 5? |
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| 11:09.17 | Bluewolf | babilen: So i run this? - mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 11:10.19 | babilen | Bluewolf: Oh, have I forgotten to mention that on the wiki page? |
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| 11:10.58 | Bluewolf | babilen: This? - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
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| 11:11.51 | babilen | Bluewolf: Ah, so I did write it. Wonderful. Yeah, continue with that. |
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| 11:13.55 | Bluewolf | babilen: Do need to put my GPU where it says "My GPU" or enter as is? echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 11:14.24 | babilen | Bluewolf: You don't |
| 11:14.45 | babilen | I would have mentioned that on the wiki if that had been the case |
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| 11:16.02 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay in the configuration all i entered in the terminal was - mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 11:16.04 | Bluewolf | # echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 11:16.11 | Bluewolf | Is that it now? |
| 11:16.56 | Bluewolf | it did not do anything in the terinal? |
| 11:16.57 | babilen | Bluewolf: That's what it says, isn't it? You can also use nano again to edit it manually (as root!) if you prefer that. |
| 11:17.19 | babilen | Bluewolf: Are you sure that it didn't do anything or did it simply had no output (it shouldn't) ? |
| 11:17.58 | Bluewolf | babilen: It had not output, I copied and entered it as is. |
| 11:18.22 | babilen | Bluewolf: Wonderful. You can run "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" if you want to look at that file. |
| 11:18.49 | babilen | Just because a command doesn't have output doesn't mean that it didn't to anything. A lot of commands will *only* have output if something went wrong even. |
| 11:19.15 | babilen | Bluewolf: Feel free to paste the result of that command to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:19.34 | babilen | Throw in the output of "dkms status" while you are at it. |
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| 11:21.29 | chb | morning, is there a way to install recommends/suggests for a package that is already installed? |
| 11:21.33 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay the next step is "Restart your system at this point to enable the nouveau driver blacklist." How do I do that? (http://paste.debian.net/116007/) |
| 11:21.52 | Bluewolf | All good in the paste? |
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| 11:24.39 | babilen | Bluewolf: Yeah, that looks fine. You don't know how to reboot your system? |
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| 11:24.56 | Jaleks | $SEARCH_ENGINE does not really help me so: |
| 11:25.11 | Jaleks | how do i set '~' to not-dead in X? |
| 11:25.31 | Jaleks | (while keeping the other acutes dead) |
| 11:25.45 | babilen | Ah, important constraint there :) |
| 11:26.10 | Bluewolf | babilen: Hehehehe, I know how to reboot yes, but how do I enable the nouveau driver blacklist? |
| 11:26.16 | heurist | chb: maybe apt-get --install-recommends --install-suggests install <package> will work. Else find the package in aptitude (tui) and hit + on the suggested/recommended section |
| 11:26.18 | babilen | I guess that you have to write your own keymap. It might be possible to tinker with setxkbmap, but I wouldn't know how to achieve that. |
| 11:26.53 | babilen | Bluewolf: No, the nouveau blacklist has been configured for you already. You only have to reboot in order to activate it. Is that sentence that ambiguous? |
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| 11:27.40 | abuelo | hola a todos |
| 11:28.11 | Bluewolf | babilen: It depends on how one looks at it :D |
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| 11:28.23 | Bluewolf | Okay then I shall reboot |
| 11:28.42 | babilen | All the best! |
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| 11:30.00 | chb | heurist, first one I tried already - need to do it by hand then I think, thanks :) |
| 11:30.27 | Bluewolf | babilen: Yeah sorry I bet your glad to see the end of me, I will get back here after the reboot. Sorry for raising your BP :D |
| 11:31.04 | Bluewolf | Still learning :D |
| 11:31.28 | babilen | Bluewolf: I'm fine - I wouldn't do this if I'd hate it. Do you have any means to get here in case the system does *not* come up? |
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| 11:32.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about debian handbook |
| 11:32.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about general cli tutorial |
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| 11:32.22 | babilen | (you might want to read those tutorials/books) |
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| 11:33.46 | Bluewolf | babilen: Doubt? I have other machines to use or I could boot off the live CD. Yey more learning, I have already downloaded the handbook when you sent me that site :D |
| 11:34.09 | babilen | Wonderful. Then: Reboot and see you soon |
| 11:35.14 | Jaleks | [solved]: Option "XkbVariant" "deadgraveacute" gives my tilde and some acutes |
| 11:35.44 | Bluewolf | BRB |
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| 11:40.38 | Bluewolf | babilen: Well all appears to be good on start up only onething I picked up which is not good something to do with pulse something? |
| 11:41.09 | babilen | Bluewolf: If it is a warning that "Pulseaudio didn't start as system .." (or something like that then forget about it) |
| 11:41.13 | babilen | yay! |
| 11:41.16 | babilen | !congratulate Bluewolf |
| 11:41.16 | dpkg | Yay Bluewolf, you did it! |
| 11:41.56 | Bluewolf | babilen: :D |
| 11:42.36 | Bluewolf | babilen: yeah thats it, a warning that "Pulseaudio didn't start as system |
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| 11:43.03 | Bluewolf | So graphics are now installed okay? |
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| 11:43.41 | babilen | Bluewolf: You could install pastebinit with "apt-get install pastebinit" and the run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 11:43.47 | babilen | *then run |
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| 11:46.14 | babilen | Bluewolf: Thanks, I've seen it. |
| 11:46.54 | Bluewolf | babilen: How? |
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| 11:47.19 | Bluewolf | And good? |
| 11:47.30 | babilen | Bluewolf: That tool pasted it to http://paste.debian.net and I saw it among the links on the left. All looks good. |
| 11:49.25 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay thanks, next question. Does Debian have a Software Center Like Ubuntu where one can look through packages or do I have to do it through synaptic? |
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| 11:49.40 | aypea[0] | how do I stop networkmanager turning off my connections when I close the lid on my laptop? using xfce |
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| 11:50.19 | babilen | Bluewolf: Synaptic *is* sort of a software centre isn't it? I just do this all on the command line though, but you might prefer synaptic for now. |
| 11:50.38 | babilen | Bluewolf: I'm heading out now - All the best and have fun! :) |
| 11:51.10 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay thanks for the help |
| 11:51.18 | Bluewolf | Appriciate it |
| 11:51.27 | Bluewolf | appreciate* |
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| 11:53.49 | aypea[0] | sigh. starting to feel like a total noob again with all this new frigging desktop crap |
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| 11:59.27 | aypea[0] | damn. now i've lost audio controls |
| 12:00.31 | Roenie | waah waaah waah. |
| 12:00.57 | aypea[0] | and they're back. that still leaves the lid doing stupid stuff |
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| 12:05.35 | lastnode | thanks themill i got the amazon images |
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| 12:18.27 | Bluewolf | Does debian support Firefox? |
| 12:18.43 | aypea[0] | yes |
| 12:18.46 | aypea[0] | see iceweasel |
| 12:18.58 | aypea[0] | or download it yourself and put it someplace nifty. |
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| 12:20.43 | Bluewolf | someplace nifty? Meaning? |
| 12:20.59 | aypea[0] | someplace you like. |
| 12:21.09 | heurist | Bluewolf: just use iceweasel |
| 12:21.21 | heurist | !tell Bluewolf -about why iceweasel |
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| 12:23.06 | TwoWholeWorms | Hi. I've added a file in /etc/profile.d/ which contains a function that's used in $PS1 (adds the current git branch in []s when you're in a repo). when I run apt-get install mysql-server I get syntax error "}" unexpected. It has [ -z "$PS1"] || return; at the top of the script, but that ain't gonna stop sh from parsing it. Any ideas? |
| 12:23.45 | TwoWholeWorms | https://github.com/TwoWholeWorms/etc/blob/master/etc/profile.d/git_prompt.sh is teh script, FTR. |
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| 12:28.11 | Bluewolf | I see, a no speak subject here :D |
| 12:28.19 | Bluewolf | Thanks for the help |
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| 12:29.17 | Bluewolf | How does one change the desktop interface of gnome, I don't fancy it too much and want to change it? |
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| 12:30.31 | abator | i downloaded sublime text editor and i want to open all related files with the sublime editor. the open with menue option does not show sublime neither the list of application shows sublime text editor. how do i make sublime my default application for all related file extension? |
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| 12:30.54 | Ahti | Gnome is largely take-it-or-leave-it nowadays, try XFCE or use Tweak Tool and see if that will satisfy your needs |
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| 12:35.36 | abator | how do i associate .java files with the IDE i have on hd ? |
| 12:35.55 | FlowRiser | abator, what DE do you use? |
| 12:36.47 | iveevue | abator, Which IDE? |
| 12:36.48 | Bluewolf | Ahti: How customizable is XFCE? |
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| 12:37.11 | abator | i want to use sublime that i did not install because it simply run when double click on extracted executeable |
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| 12:38.14 | abator | is that what you asked? |
| 12:38.37 | FlowRiser | abator, do you use gnome/kde or xfce? |
| 12:38.50 | abator | sublime text is the IDE and i think it need no installation |
| 12:38.59 | abator | imuse gnome |
| 12:39.19 | abator | i use gnome |
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| 12:41.24 | FlowRiser | abator, you should go to System/Prefferences/Preferred application |
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| 12:41.44 | FlowRiser | abator, from then I think you'll get it |
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| 12:41.51 | abator | oh ok, just a minute |
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| 12:44.31 | abator | FlowRiser: i could not find any option for text files |
| 12:44.57 | FlowRiser | abator, sure there is; there should be a mime type for *.txt files |
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| 12:45.13 | abator | ok, let me check again |
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| 12:46.51 | abator | there are web, mail, calander, music, video and photos but notmhing for txt and other |
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| 12:47.07 | FlowRiser | abator, if not; use nautilus, find a *.txt file right click it, select properties and got to the "Open with" tab |
| 12:48.01 | FlowRiser | Click "Add" and then click the little triangle and select "Custom command" |
| 12:48.11 | FlowRiser | use the path to sublime then |
| 12:49.09 | abator | oh , yes there must be add button some where but do you say that nautilus has that option which i cannot find without nautilus |
| 12:50.34 | abator | i try anywya |
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| 12:51.49 | aypea[0] | woo. wayland breaks bluetooth. sigh. |
| 12:52.42 | cdb23ax | hello i have xen and i cant install a w2k8r2 windows server system. xm create says: Error: Domain 'xenwin' does not exist. The config file looks like this: http://pastebin.com/ybxrFJxv |
| 12:53.13 | cdb23ax | please can someone help? |
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| 13:00.30 | Kirito | I've compiled the latest version of Imagemagick using build-deps, but I can't seem to use colorspaces with convert now. Have absolutely zero clue as to why, can't find documentation on it anywhere, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6022679 |
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| 13:00.53 | Kirito | Should be configured the same way as on my Arch install, which works fine |
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| 13:01.34 | babilen | Bluewolf: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net if you want a newer Iceweasel version. |
| 13:01.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf about why iceweasel |
| 13:01.55 | Kirito | I mean, there are quite literally zero Google results for "Unrecognized list type (colorspace)" |
| 13:02.08 | Kirito | So I'm not sure if I have severely broken imagemagick somehow or what. |
| 13:02.09 | neglesaks | you stumped google? nice work |
| 13:02.21 | Kirito | Indeed, "Your search - "Unrecognized list type (colorspace)" - did not match any documents." |
| 13:04.15 | blackjack | babilen, what do you usually use for a web browser? |
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| 13:06.11 | abator | gedit is the default IDE for text files , how to set sublime as the default IDE? |
| 13:06.45 | aypea[0] | ok. so if you have blueman issues under testing, downgrade wayland to 1.4 |
| 13:07.12 | babilen | blackjack: chromium |
| 13:08.39 | abator | can someone tell me how to change file association in debian? |
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| 13:10.41 | shingouz | a debian stable install trying to chroot into a sid mounted on /mnt/sdb1 with "chroot /mnt/sdb1" fails with "chroot: failed to run command 'bin/bash': Permission denied". Does the same even if I specify bin/bash. to make the question short: how to chroot in this case? |
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| 13:11.43 | babilen | abator: There are many ways: 1. In your filemanager use "Open With: ..." and then remember that choice 2. Your DE might have something like "Preferred Applications" in its settings. Set it there. 3. Take a look at /etc/alternatives/* and use "update-alternatives --conf ..." to configure the alias in question (read the manpage) |
| 13:12.03 | shingouz | oh. incidentally, i *am* root when trying to chroot |
| 13:12.04 | cdb23ax | hello i have xen and i cant install a w2k8r2 windows server system. xm create says: Error: Domain 'xenwin' does not exist. The config file looks like this: http://pastebin.com/ybxrFJxv Can someone help? |
| 13:12.12 | babilen | shingouz: You have to be root to chroot |
| 13:12.18 | shingouz | i am... |
| 13:12.44 | babilen | shingouz: Yes, there is no way you would be able to chroot if you weren't root (which would result in a different error) |
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| 13:13.03 | babilen | shingouz: You might have mounted it noexec or something |
| 13:13.41 | shingouz | babilen: mounted as noexec. lemme do something about it |
| 13:13.47 | babilen | \o/ |
| 13:14.19 | babilen | cdb23ax: I think that you are looking for xen rather than #debian |
| 13:14.32 | cdb23ax | well its xen on debian |
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| 13:14.49 | babilen | cdb23ax: That doesn't really look like a Debian problem though |
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| 13:15.04 | Zer0Sec | Hey i updated my mirriors on kali linux and updated now my msfconsole doesn't work! i get rails errors i've looked up some info and done gem install tuts but still nothing seems to work anyone got any suggestions would be very helpfu |
| 13:15.09 | babilen | dpkg: kali |
| 13:15.09 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 13:15.12 | babilen | Zer0Sec: ^^ |
| 13:15.33 | Zer0Sec | kk |
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| 13:17.38 | shingouz | babilen: thanks, that did the trick. now i just need to figure out how to force grub *not* to use UUID... |
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| 13:19.48 | Bluewolf | babilen: How customizable is XFCE, more than gnome? |
| 13:21.04 | Kirito | Both are completely customizable, because they're open source :D |
| 13:21.11 | cdb23ax | all guys in #xen are afk |
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| 13:21.21 | cdb23ax | noone writes back |
| 13:21.47 | Kirito | But I'd say GNOME3 is probably a bit more customizable, maybe, depending on your definition |
| 13:21.52 | Kirito | Though I use Cinnamon myself |
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| 13:22.39 | abator | when i click on root terminal a dialog box popup asking me for root password, it was the way root terminal was opened i past. i the dialog box was never shown before. why do i get the dialog box now? |
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| 13:23.30 | abator | the dialog box was never shown before, but now everytime i click root terminal first password is asked |
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| 13:24.39 | abator | how that change happened ? |
| 13:25.19 | Bluewolf | Kirito: Well when I mean customizable I mean changing the desktop shell, like I would love the Cinnamon menu but I don't think it will work. I'm not to keen on gnome? |
| 13:26.09 | dexta | fn'abator: before when you loaded root terminal, who was the user running your window enivroment ? & is that user different to the one your running root terminal in your window enviroment now ? |
| 13:26.46 | Kirito | abator, My first guess would be changes to sudo, since that's probably what it tries/tried to use to open xterm before |
| 13:27.27 | Kirito | Or maybe not, I don't know how it works. |
| 13:28.03 | abator | before when i loaded root terminal i used same user |
| 13:28.12 | dexta | ok |
| 13:28.54 | abator | terminal was shown and then i was giving su command. but now terminal is not shown and a dialog box appear asking me for root password |
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| 13:29.02 | dexta | is the user 'root' or another user ? if another user is said user in sudoers list ? |
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| 13:30.23 | abator | now terminal is not opening at all, neither the password dialog is showing up |
| 13:31.10 | abator | i loged in on debain not with root |
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| 13:31.58 | dexta | ok |
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| 13:32.05 | abator | user is not root |
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| 13:32.57 | abator | something is wrong and i have no idea what went wrong |
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| 13:33.09 | Bluewolf | Kirito: Well when I mean customizable I mean changing the desktop shell, like I would love the Cinnamon menu but I don't think it will work. I'm not to keen on gnome? |
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| 13:37.17 | abator | my root terminal does not open at all now. neither the password dialogbox show up |
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| 13:37.43 | abator | i made no change |
| 13:38.07 | abator | is that serious issue? |
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| 13:38.27 | Kirito | Yes, you've been hacked by the Chinese government |
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| 13:38.41 | abator | oh seriously? |
| 13:38.43 | Kirito | no. |
| 13:38.48 | Bluewolf | Why Chinese? |
| 13:38.54 | Kirito | Why not? |
| 13:38.55 | abrotman | Kirito: please stop |
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| 13:39.07 | abator | yes, why Chinese? |
| 13:39.16 | abrotman | abator: ignore Kirito |
| 13:39.42 | troulouliou_dev | hi how can i hide grub on boot and display only when pressing shift key like on ubuntu ? |
| 13:39.45 | Kirito | I was going to tell him I wasn't serious if he didn't figure it out himselff |
| 13:39.49 | Kirito | I'm not cruel |
| 13:39.52 | abrotman | Kirito: try not to be an ass .. |
| 13:40.06 | Bluewolf | Kirito: So you going to answer my question? |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | troulouliou_dev: you change the timeout IIRC .. should be in the docs |
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| 13:40.43 | Kirito | Bluewolf, I don't really know what you mean and I'm not obligated to provide you support |
| 13:41.02 | somiaj | troulouliou_dev: might want to check /etc/default/grub as well |
| 13:41.38 | troulouliou_dev | abrotman, somiaj no nothing like the hide params from grub |
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| 13:43.21 | somiaj | troulouliou_dev: as abrotman said set the timeout to say 0, or do you still see the menu flash? But would be the first thing I would try. The second would be to look at the grub config from a ubuntu machine to see what they are doing. Unless this is a relativelly new feature that isn't in debians version of grub (I doubt it) it should be possible. |
| 13:43.31 | Bluewolf | Kirito: Seriously I never said you were obligated to provide me with support, i was merely asking a question as you had talked about Gnome3 but by all means you don't have to answer now! |
| 13:44.10 | troulouliou_dev | somiaj, think it is noit in debian yet ; ubuntu have a specific hide param |
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| 13:44.28 | Kirito | Bluewolf, you could ask in a better manner, such as "Do you have any advice on my above response?" |
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| 13:44.44 | Kirito | instead of sounding like "So, are you going to answer my question or what?" |
| 13:44.52 | somiaj | troulouliou_dev: and what makes you think that debian's grub doesn't support this option. |
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| 13:45.22 | troulouliou_dev | somiaj, tested it but it don't wok |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | Kirito: If you don't intend on actually helping, please keep quiet |
| 13:46.15 | troulouliou_dev | tested this at lest : http://askubuntu.com/questions/117525/hide-grub2-menu-unless-you-hold-down-shift-key-how-to-make-this-happen |
| 13:46.17 | Kirito | abrotman, Hush |
| 13:46.30 | Bluewolf | Kirito: Well after all I did ask you twice which you did not acknowledge. So leave it at that now........ |
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| 13:46.51 | abrotman | Kirito: Really, if you don't want ot help, just be quiet |
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| 13:47.40 | UserError | Is there any information in the debian wiki about noexec on /run/shm ? I know it does this stock and Ubuntu does not but I couldn't find anything in the official docs |
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| 13:49.17 | abrotman | UserError: like this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StricterDefaults#Shared_Memory |
| 13:49.30 | somiaj | troulouliou_dev: it looks like it is supported, did you run update-grub afterwareds, or maybe read the top few lines of the file /etc/default/grub I pointed you to, it gives you a command you can run to list all the options you can put in that file, and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET are both options supported in wheezy |
| 13:49.41 | UserError | Right, but that is from Ubuntu |
| 13:49.47 | abator | i could not figure it out why root terminal is not opening. and why the password dialog was shown before |
| 13:50.27 | abator | now neither root terminal show up nor the password dialog box |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | UserError: but it gives you the rationale |
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| 13:51.28 | UserError | Right, but for my purposes I need official proof that debian does this themselves and not as say the impact of the container creator like docker or proxmox |
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| 13:51.47 | somiaj | abator: sounds like you uninstalled gksu or what ever application opens up the dialog box. |
| 13:51.59 | somiaj | (the one that asks for the password) |
| 13:52.02 | UserError | I know they do it because I can see it in front of me, but that isn't the point :P |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | UserError: here's an older bug, might have some rationale, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386368 |
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| 13:53.14 | abrotman | UserError: alternately, email the debian-devel list and see if someone has notes on why |
| 13:54.16 | abator | somiaj: nothing was installed and uninstalled. i am just typing in irc since then. |
| 13:54.39 | UserError | I guess i'm wondering why it isn't in the wiki |
| 13:55.04 | themill | perhaps the question is "why would it be" |
| 13:55.10 | abrotman | User-created content .. no one has done it yet? |
| 13:55.19 | UserError | ...because it is a default in debian |
| 13:55.32 | themill | it being what? |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | UserError: have you checked to see if SuSE or RHEL do it? |
| 13:55.48 | UserError | noexec on /run/shm and formerly /dev/shm |
| 13:55.55 | themill | UserError: that's not true. |
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| 13:56.13 | abator | look like my debian is on operation table in students lab |
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| 13:56.32 | abator | would you guys let me work? |
| 13:56.51 | UserError | Pretty sure Suse started doing it but far after debian did |
| 13:56.56 | themill | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 13:57.10 | UserError | should be /run/shm |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | themill: mine is noexec here |
| 13:57.19 | UserError | exactly my point |
| 13:57.22 | themill | abrotman: it varies from machine to machine. |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1639560k) |
| 13:57.28 | UserError | that should not be the case |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | wonders if it depends on when the system was installed |
| 13:57.55 | UserError | . /dev/shm hasn't been used in ages |
| 13:58.30 | jelly-home | UserError: /dev/shm is present by default in debian 6 and possibly any machine upgraded from debian 6 |
| 13:59.03 | jelly-home | UserError: this is Debian. "ages" would be 2013 when debian 7 got released. |
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| 13:59.54 | themill | I think you'll find jessie also will use /dev/shm and not /run/shm |
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| 14:00.08 | UserError | I recall from almost 8 years ago it was no exec when there was only dev shm |
| 14:00.18 | UserError | someone here even linked a related bug report |
| 14:00.29 | jelly-home | UserError: there's a compatibility symlink even on a fresh debian 7 installation, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jun 6 11:05 /dev/shm -> /run/shm |
| 14:00.38 | UserError | Exactly |
| 14:00.40 | themill | So, given that the entire premise of your question is incorrect, maybe it's time to reformulate it. |
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| 14:02.30 | UserError | This is from 2012 at the latest because that was the last time it was edited https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory?highlight=%28tmpfs%29#Packages_using_.2Fdev.2Fshm |
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| 14:03.02 | themill | UserError: you might want to actually read that text. |
| 14:03.09 | UserError | I did |
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| 14:03.20 | abator | is it the root terminal /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator ? |
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| 14:03.35 | themill | UserError: So you will see a large "If" in there. The migration was not completed and the bits that were done are to be reverted. |
| 14:04.57 | abator | excuse me , can someone tell me the exact executeable for root terminal |
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| 14:06.38 | jelly-home | abator: you open a normal terminal, and run a command to open a root shell in it |
| 14:06.44 | Brigo | abator, this is for xterm, not for root xterm. But you can become root with su - |
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| 14:08.17 | jelly-home | abator: "x-terminal-emulator -e 'su -'" might do the trick if you absolutely need a single command |
| 14:08.19 | abator | i am sorry, actually, the dialog box for root password appeared again and the path was shown is this /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator and i wanted to make sure the real root terminal is asking me the password |
| 14:08.33 | liquidAnger | hi all |
| 14:08.52 | jelly-home | abator: you can add -T 'root terminal' to options for a non-default window title |
| 14:09.57 | abator | please let me know , why a dialog box is showing up for a password. i am sure there was no dialog box on opening a root terminal before |
| 14:11.03 | abator | hmm, too confusing. i think i should let it go the way it is |
| 14:11.11 | abator | :) |
| 14:11.34 | abator | never mind, i am not building new world on debian anyway |
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| 14:13.37 | cdb23ax | whats the correct irc for xen? |
| 14:13.48 | cdb23ax | i cant find any support there |
| 14:14.01 | cdb23ax | if i cant find a solution i give it up |
| 14:14.03 | cdb23ax | ,.... fucking xen |
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| 14:14.40 | abrotman | Not #xen ? |
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| 14:16.07 | cdb23ax | in #xen noone is there |
| 14:16.11 | cdb23ax | no single word in 3hours |
| 14:16.30 | abrotman | it's Sunday morning .. some people enjoy their weekends |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | well, Sunday morning in the US .. |
| 14:16.52 | cdb23ax | its sunday afternoon |
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| 14:17.54 | abrotman | cdb23ax: okay, then keep asking |
| 14:18.03 | liquidAnger | happy bday debian |
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| 14:18.42 | dvs | 21? Debian's legal? |
| 14:19.33 | thingfish | Today is Debian's birthday? |
| 14:19.40 | jolt | 15 sept per wikipedia |
| 14:19.44 | thingfish | ah |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | no |
| 14:19.49 | cdb23ax | every time i want to create the windows server 2008 r2 windows machine it says Error: Domain 'xenwin' does not exist. i have tried all configs i found on the net |
| 14:20.00 | abrotman | thingfish: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay |
| 14:20.03 | abrotman | jolt: ^ |
| 14:20.26 | cdb23ax | only hvm makes trouble xen debian containers run fine |
| 14:20.37 | jolt | abrotman: Ah, I was looking at official release, sorry! |
| 14:20.38 | thingfish | thanks abrotman |
| 14:21.14 | jolt | Not even a note on the website :) |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | there was a note to a mailing list |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | thinks anyway |
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| 14:22.23 | abrotman | https://lists.debian.org/debian-news/2014/msg00011.html |
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| 14:24.16 | jolt | Just got back from vacation, so I haven't had time to read it |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | the date doesnt' change :) |
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| 14:33.16 | somiaj | abator: open up any terminal type 'su -', enter in roots password, that is now a root terminal. Youc ould also use 'sudo su -' and enter in your user password if you have sudo set up |
| 14:33.18 | shiin | Im pondering if/how it would be possible to use my debian based root server as a gateway for ipv6, since my ISP does not support ipv6. any ideas on where to ask, what wiki to read? |
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| 14:34.57 | abator | somiaj: got it now, ty. another question is how to use sublime IDE for all related files instead of gedit? |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | shiin: like this? https://tunnelbroker.net/ |
| 14:35.12 | samugc47 | Hi all, i am having problems with driver nouveau using some aplications like xbmc and steam. The screen turn black and its said nouveau failed to iddle channel |
| 14:35.20 | abator | nautilus did not work for me |
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| 14:36.02 | somiaj | abator: this sounds like you need to configure your mime type with xdg or your file manager (both things i do not use, I just use a terminal/cli and run the command I want) |
| 14:36.03 | samugc47 | i am on debian jessie with xfce4 desktop and my card is NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] |
| 14:36.24 | shiin | abrotman: preferably without using an external service |
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| 14:36.32 | abrotman | shiin: then you cannot |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | shiin: if your ISP doesn't support IPv6, and you don't wwant a tunnel, you won't have the transit |
| 14:36.55 | samugc47 | Thanks if any have some information to debug it and get more info about possoble solution :) |
| 14:36.56 | abator | somiaj: ok, i will look for other way out |
| 14:37.06 | shiin | abrotman: I want to use my own server? |
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| 14:37.17 | abrotman | shiin: internal network only? |
| 14:37.34 | somiaj | samugc47: are you sure nouveau 3d support can run those apps, I do know it is still lmiited compared to the non-free drivers. |
| 14:38.18 | shiin | abrotman: the server is hosted in a datacenter, to which I can connect through ipv4. it has both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses. so Im thinking it has to be possible to configure the kernel somehow, but my google search wasnt very successful so far. |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | configure the kernel to do what? |
| 14:38.58 | samugc47 | at first its supported, i have this problem since the last update |
| 14:38.59 | shiin | to let some form of client on my local computers tunnel ipv6 connections through it. |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | shiin: you can VPN to your server, and maybe try it that way |
| 14:39.38 | shiin | I have a working openvpn setup. |
| 14:39.47 | samugc47 | Some people tell me to use a private driver for nvidia but i got a lot of problems with privative drivers using dual monitor and the resolutions |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | shiin: you'd have to have your VPN give you an IPv6 address I would imagine .. I've not done this |
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| 14:40.38 | shiin | abrotman: thats a good hint, Ill continue searching about that. thanks. |
| 14:41.28 | somiaj | samugc47: well try to figure out what changed, have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.0.log make sure everything is loaded correctly? |
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| 14:42.30 | samugc47 | somiaj: I have checked it but i don't have any errors or warnings |
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| 14:45.04 | abator | how to add sublime IDE in list of installed apps on debian? i need command |
| 14:45.58 | samugc47 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/P7NeQfGm |
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| 14:48.59 | samugc47 | somiaj: i read only at [ Â 103.536] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) but i don't undestand it's seems to load correctly after |
| 14:49.36 | somiaj | nv is not nouveau |
| 14:49.45 | somiaj | that is an old module that won't ahve good 3d support |
| 14:49.48 | somiaj | what does glxinfo say |
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| 14:50.25 | samugc47 | somiaj: direct rendering its ok |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | no way |
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| 14:53.19 | samugc47 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/QniTwMPj update with glxinfo. Thanks |
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| 14:57.45 | Nexus3 | Hello there |
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| 14:59.22 | samugc47 | somiaj don't worry if it's common bug. i only want to know if i can debug or resolve it by myself or i have to wait for a update. |
| 14:59.39 | Nexus3 | Anyone into LAN bonding ? |
| 14:59.40 | somiaj | I personally just use the non-free drivers for nvidia. |
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| 15:00.57 | samugc47 | somiaj: i know but the last time i try to do this I couldn't configure my monitor resolutions |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | Nexus3: please ask the real question |
| 15:01.24 | samugc47 | somiaj: xrandr don't work using privateive drivers |
| 15:01.24 | somiaj | samugc47: do you use xrandr to do the monintor resolutions. I know xrandr support was only recentally added (few years) to the nvidia-nonfree |
| 15:02.06 | UserError | Ok so after much reading through the documentation |
| 15:02.11 | UserError | and confirming in VMs |
| 15:02.17 | somiaj | so that means that you may have better support for the monintors samugc47 |
| 15:02.17 | samugc47 | somiaj: then can i use xrandr with private driver? |
| 15:02.20 | UserError | http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=tmpfs&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+testing+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
| 15:02.35 | UserError | Debian lists nothing about their noexec on dev or run shm |
| 15:02.44 | UserError | in fact the example shows otherwise |
| 15:02.56 | abrotman | email the mailing list |
| 15:02.58 | UserError | But yet here it is both just done as a netinstall and a complete iso |
| 15:03.10 | UserError | They have been doing this for a decade or more |
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| 15:03.58 | Nexus3 | ifconfig reveals that my bond0 connection makes only use of one slave NIC connection - the other stays dormant - any hints ? |
| 15:04.57 | abator | why this command is not working for me cat /usr/share/applications/defaults.list |
| 15:05.10 | abator | there no such file |
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| 15:05.36 | babilen | abator: Because there is no such file |
| 15:05.37 | samugc47 | somiaj: sorry,IÂ didn't understand well... Then u recommend to use non-free at this moment? it's better to get a good support for my monitors no? |
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| 15:06.02 | abator | babilen: i want to change the list of default applications |
| 15:06.05 | babilen | abator: Did you do what I asked you to do earlier? |
| 15:06.34 | abator | oh, you did you tell me something? hmm, let me check |
| 15:07.47 | abator | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.48 | babilen | Roughly two hours ago (13:11 UTC to be precise) |
| 15:08.02 | babilen | Yeah, that message. |
| 15:08.16 | samugc47 | somiaj: I remember when i install non-free(nvidia) i can't use xrandr only with nvidia-settings and doesn't support custom resolutions |
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| 15:11.00 | abator | babilen: that time i used Alternatives Configurator and used sublime instead of gedit but when i double click .java file is till get gedit |
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| 15:11.21 | abator | i still** |
| 15:11.42 | abator | let me try again |
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| 15:13.10 | abator | gnome-tet-editor got only one alternative and that is sublime-text, before it was gedit |
| 15:13.48 | abator | gnome-text-editor |
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| 15:23.04 | babilen | abator: double click where? |
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| 15:23.58 | babilen | And sublime isn't packaged in Debian so I have no idea how well that integrates |
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| 15:25.50 | Sara- | Heya, could I take a moment of someone's time for an fglrx issue. |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | Please just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 15:27.46 | Sara- | I recently upgraded and on reboot sort complains that it can't find the fglrx module, I tried ddkms build -m fglrx -v 14.4.2 -k 3.6.9 and then again with the install paremitar but it didn't help |
| 15:28.06 | Sara- | Speaking from a tablet so I'll be slow, sorry. |
| 15:28.24 | Sara- | Sort not sort |
| 15:28.33 | babilen | 3.6.9 ? Which distribution is that? |
| 15:28.35 | Sara- | X org |
| 15:29.18 | Sara- | Debian Jessie, though it has been testing previously and only just moved to Jessie. |
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| 15:29.49 | babilen | testing and jessie are currently the same |
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| 15:29.54 | Sara- | It's an old kernel |
| 15:30.07 | babilen | Sara-: Where is your kernel from? Why aren't you using a recent kernel? |
| 15:30.07 | abator | babilen: i could not find pastebin for images. please let me have the link then i will upload a picture of galternative window |
| 15:30.50 | Sara- | I compiled it some time ago, I have not compiled a newer one yet partly out of being lazy and partly for stability. |
| 15:31.03 | abrotman | Sara-: what's wrong with the Debian packaged kernel ? |
| 15:31.09 | babilen | abator: imgur.com is usable, but where do you double click? (file browser? irc client?) Is if being opened with "xdg-open /path/to/file" ? Did you take care of the *two other* things I asked you to do? |
| 15:31.53 | Sara- | From what I know they can be unfriendly to a,d chips |
| 15:32.02 | Sara- | A m d |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | no |
| 15:32.09 | Sara- | Bloody autocorrect |
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| 15:33.11 | TimeVirus | hello -- is there anyone that would like to help me plan my SDC partitioning and formating? |
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| 15:33.25 | TimeVirus | 500GB HDD |
| 15:33.29 | Sara- | Abrotman, do you mean to say I have no choice but to grab a new kernel now? |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | No, I"m saying, see if ti works with a Debian kernel |
| 15:33.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sara- about fglrx |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | TimeVirus: plan what? why? |
| 15:34.09 | Sara- | Thanks |
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| 15:35.10 | TimeVirus | I would like to use Debian, Mint, CentOS, Kali and Vbox not sure who would host that but to say its probably going to be a Linux |
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| 15:35.31 | TimeVirus | maybe win 7 and 8 inside Vbox 7 or 8? |
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| 15:35.38 | abrotman | uhm, so why are you asking #debian ? |
| 15:35.45 | abrotman | choose the host, then go to that channel |
| 15:35.59 | TimeVirus | ummm because Debian is one of them? where is better? |
| 15:36.01 | UserError | Maybe AMD shouldn't keep changing their arch and failing. |
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| 15:36.13 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:36.17 | TimeVirus | ??? |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | TimeVirus: are you going to boot all of those natively? |
| 15:36.26 | abrotman | or are they all going to run in VMs? |
| 15:37.13 | TimeVirus | well this machine has a core 2 duo @ 1.2GHz with 2GB ram so while VBox WILL run it'll be TIGHT |
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| 15:37.19 | TimeVirus | advice is what I seek |
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| 15:37.41 | TimeVirus | GNS3 will be peppered in too |
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| 15:37.56 | abrotman | feels his time being sucked away .. |
| 15:37.57 | Bluewolf | How customizable is Debian 7.6.0 Gnome, I which to change to desktop to look like gnome 2 or perhaps Linux Mint Cinnamon. Different themes would be considered as well? |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | Bluewolf: you cannot make it look like cinnamon, perhaps you'd prefer lxde or xfce if you want the old interface |
| 15:38.26 | samugc47 | Bluewolf: u can try with xfce |
| 15:38.44 | TimeVirus | I'm thinking Debian would boot native and Mint probably CentOS |
| 15:38.49 | TimeVirus | Kali shouldnt |
| 15:39.33 | TimeVirus | might even have Cent run on VM as well or only |
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| 15:40.49 | samugc47 | TimeVirus: what its ur target? |
| 15:41.19 | babilen | got a headache from reading that |
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| 15:41.29 | TimeVirus | education and also as part of that, one day I'd like to compile my own though thats probably a ways off |
| 15:41.55 | TimeVirus | probably not going to be part of the partitioning plan yet |
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| 15:42.21 | mms_ | how to instsall vim-full ? |
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| 15:43.17 | abator | babilen: doing it step by step, first i checked the graphic utility galternative, please see this http://imgur.com/lFhgcRg |
| 15:43.21 | TimeVirus | maybe make a VM to play with my own compilation -- ? |
| 15:43.28 | TimeVirus | some day |
| 15:43.30 | TimeVirus | lol |
| 15:43.39 | samugc47 | TimeVirus: then install with VBox all distros you want, u can use lightweight desktop and with 512 RAM enought |
| 15:43.51 | TimeVirus | rgr |
| 15:44.08 | TimeVirus | and the host doenst really matter? |
| 15:44.31 | samugc47 | TimeVirus: what host u have now? |
| 15:44.39 | TimeVirus | none atm |
| 15:44.47 | abator | babilen: i thought that would work but on double click of txt file open up,gedit again |
| 15:44.47 | samugc47 | mms_: u can do aptitude install vim* |
| 15:44.50 | TimeVirus | trying on win 7 but not happy with it |
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| 15:45.25 | TimeVirus | right now I have 338+GB free on my external |
| 15:45.32 | samugc47 | TimeVirus: then if you don't have experience install ubuntu and then debian on a VM, mint, ... all you want |
| 15:45.43 | TimeVirus | ok |
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| 15:46.08 | TimeVirus | ubuntu -- can I do that with gnome2 DE or does it only come with unity? |
| 15:46.08 | babilen | abator: I don't remember having mentioned galternative ever before |
| 15:46.43 | TimeVirus | I really dont like the way unity rins on this machine |
| 15:46.50 | TimeVirus | runs* |
| 15:46.53 | samugc47 | TimeVirus: u can install VBox on ubuntu, debian,... with gnome. xfce, lxde... |
| 15:47.08 | TimeVirus | kk |
| 15:47.32 | DanDare | xfce4 <3 |
| 15:47.33 | babilen | mms_: That package doesn't exist. Take a look at "aptitude search '~n^vim'" and pick the package that fits your needs. |
| 15:47.45 | TimeVirus | and how would you plan that 338+GB free space? all on one? |
| 15:47.57 | abator | babilen: ok, i thought it that way. :) i am checking update-alternatives --conf |
| 15:48.18 | babilen | abator: Where do you double-click? |
| 15:48.29 | babilen | wonders how often he has to repeat that questoin |
| 15:48.32 | babilen | *question |
| 15:49.06 | abator | babilen: i double click on any .txt file in file manager. |
| 15:49.11 | babilen | Which file manager? |
| 15:49.24 | abator | the default file manger |
| 15:49.34 | babilen | In which desktop environment? |
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| 15:49.58 | abator | in gnome, and its text is Files |
| 15:50.11 | babilen | Does it offer you an "open with" selection when you right click on the file? Does it allow you set that as default? |
| 15:50.29 | babilen | that == your selection there |
| 15:51.37 | babilen | abator: ping? |
| 15:51.49 | abator | yes, open with option is there on right click and to use different application i look through the list of available applications and sublime is not there. and there is no Add button to look for sublime on hd. only option there is Online Application |
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| 15:52.06 | dontknow | why is gnome 3 default desktop for debian? |
| 15:52.15 | TimeVirus | ok I'll do it on Ubuntu and Vbox from there then -- maybe not commit all the drive space to it |
| 15:52.16 | TimeVirus | heh |
| 15:52.44 | babilen | abator: Use ctrl-l and give the path to sublime (or something to enter/select a path) |
| 15:53.00 | abator | oh ok |
| 15:53.01 | dontknow | who would make it default desktop anyway? the less productive desktop ever |
| 15:53.05 | babilen | abator: You also haven't answered my question regarding xdg-open's behaviour. |
| 15:53.33 | abator | oh i did not check xdg and other things , i am checking that for sure |
| 15:53.41 | dontknow | gnome 3 sucks so badly |
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| 15:54.24 | abator | babilen: i trying to use ctrl-l in 2,3 minutes |
| 15:54.25 | dontknow | so why is it default desktop? |
| 15:54.28 | babilen | dontknow: Because Gnome is the default desktop environment of Debian. One reason is accessibility and a lot of people use Gnome just fine. I'd also suggest to take this question/discussion to #debian-offtopic as it isn't really a support question and might derail the channel for some time. |
| 15:54.55 | babilen | dontknow: And please take your "gnome 3 sucks so badly" somewhere else. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. |
| 15:55.22 | mms_ | babilen: thanks...actually I am lookign for vim-full so which one is close since when I doing vim + tern it needs python support |
| 15:55.42 | babilen | mms_: What is "vim-full" in your opinion? |
| 15:55.50 | TimeVirus | thanks guys, for the helps \o |
| 15:56.42 | mms_ | vim-full actually some one suggested to install ....seem I should install some thing that has pyhthon support |
| 15:56.47 | dontknow | babilen, ok i am asking in offtopic |
| 15:56.59 | mms_ | let me get vim-gnome |
| 15:57.05 | mms_ | it has that |
| 15:57.06 | heurist | mms_: vim-nox and vim-gtk have python |
| 15:57.14 | mms_ | ok |
| 15:57.16 | babilen | mms_: So, what do you want? Do you want gvim too? Should it be integrated in Gnome or would you rather like GTK bindings only? |
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| 15:57.49 | mms_ | babilen: actually I am having trouble gettign vim+tern to work...it said needs python support |
| 15:57.59 | mms_ | http://vpaste.net/wolU8 |
| 15:58.02 | babilen | mms_: I told you how to take a look at all available vim packages and to pick the one you like most and it is impossible to recommend one to you without further information. I'd say "vim-full" is either vim-nox or one of vim-gnome or vim-gtk |
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| 15:58.18 | mms_ | ok thanks |
| 15:58.22 | mms_ | I am taking gone one |
| 15:58.30 | babilen | mms_: So why don't you ask about that then? I mean that's an actual problem that can be solved. :) |
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| 15:58.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell mms_ -about xy problem |
| 15:58.59 | abator | babilen: crtl-l did not work anywhere. now checking xdg |
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| 16:00.44 | babilen | abator: You should talk to whoever made those sublime packages you are using and ask them to provide a suitable .desktop file for it if it isn't listed there. |
| 16:01.23 | abator | babilen: yes, they would love to hear from me |
| 16:01.25 | babilen | (or write a .desktop file yourself) |
| 16:02.03 | abator | i did try to write and have sample code for sublime but i dont have cirrect path for the desktop file |
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| 16:02.28 | abator | correct*** |
| 16:03.01 | abator | babilen: please let me know where the desktp file must be saved |
| 16:03.09 | mms_ | next I need to get /leave |
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| 16:05.14 | abator | babilen: on google i found alot of help on ubuntu and the example i am following is for ubuntu that is why i think i dont have the correct path for .desktop file. if you tell me the path then i think this problem will be solved |
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| 16:06.39 | abator | thanks |
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| 16:09.06 | abator | i dont know why gnome does not let me use my executeable to edit txt files |
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| 16:10.02 | abator | open with option must have option to look for executeable on hd but that option in not there in gnome. and it is wasted many hours |
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| 16:11.47 | abator | fbs |
| 16:11.57 | Bluewolf | abrotman: samugc47: okay then now with KDE and XCFE Can the desktop environments be customized a lot? |
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| 16:13.12 | Jix | noob question here, for everyday use will i need a /usr partition |
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| 16:15.17 | z1haze | could someone please explain which cd's are required for installing a debian server? |
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| 16:15.59 | shay_shay | ,checkbackport btrfs-progs |
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| 16:16.24 | shay_shay | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 16:19.39 | Bluewolf | Could someone enlighten me as to which of the four types of Debian are the most customizable (Meaning the actual descktop interface) - Gnome3, KDE, LXDE or XFCE? |
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| 16:21.15 | userf | Bluewolf: KDE |
| 16:22.15 | TomasCZ | Bluewolf, there are many ways to skin a cat. |
| 16:22.34 | heurist | TomasCZ: which does the cat prefer? |
| 16:22.51 | Asifys | hello, i just installed debian on a box that has an i3 with an integrated GPU, but the drivers it autoconfigured apparently do not correspond with the GPU i have installed, the intel HD 4000 or the i915. should I post the dmesg log here? |
| 16:23.03 | Asifys | in pastebin, of course :P |
| 16:23.24 | babilen | Jix: I would recommend to maybe only use a separate /home partition and put the rest in / (root) -- And yes, everybody needs /usr, but it doesn't have to be a specific partition. |
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| 16:24.26 | Asifys | i'm outputting to a TV monitor that can take 1080i input, but the closest I've got is 1920x540 |
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| 16:25.45 | Bluewolf | TomasCZ: You mean the desktop environment could be changed with each on of them? |
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| 16:26.15 | babilen | abator: ~/.local/share/applications/ (cf. https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en ) |
| 16:26.24 | Bluewolf | userf: It interface can be changed to look completely different? |
| 16:26.41 | babilen | abator: But really whatever broken package you installed there should have taken care of that |
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| 16:28.08 | TomasCZ | Bluewolf, depends what you want to change and what are your preferences(and defaults of that desktop env) in terms of for example having popups when you insert USB flash drive(complexity) or not how to get to menu where are configuration files what is their syntax, etc. |
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| 16:31.10 | shay_shay | hello |
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| 16:36.15 | abator | babilen: yes, debian got sick. |
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| 16:36.56 | abator | in hands on a kid |
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| 16:37.01 | z1haze | will someone please help me setup an ip on my debian vm? |
| 16:37.09 | z1haze | i have done it before but i think im missing a step somewhere |
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| 16:37.34 | shay_shay | an ip? |
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| 16:38.27 | Bluewolf | TomasCZ: I mean playing around with the desktop environment completely to get it to how I want, eg get them looking like these two images -http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dRPbNv3zi0o/TpsqSHxAk0I/AAAAAAAADNk/hj5NfsKGk7c/s1600/Screenshot.png |
| 16:38.30 | Bluewolf | http://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1910/2.png |
| 16:38.41 | Bluewolf | Or similar |
| 16:38.45 | shay_shay | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually abator |
| 16:38.48 | shay_shay | er |
| 16:38.54 | shay_shay | z1haze: ^ |
| 16:39.01 | shay_shay | sorry abator :D |
| 16:39.11 | Sara- | Babilen, I compiled kernel 3.16.1 but it can't load modesetting I didn't see this in the module configuration. |
| 16:39.26 | z1haze | yea i did the networking file thing |
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| 16:40.44 | shay_shay | ifup eth0 |
| 16:41.04 | z1haze | says file exists |
| 16:41.09 | z1haze | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 16:42.16 | z1haze | hmm |
| 16:42.50 | shay_shay | can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 16:44.49 | z1haze | i cant select in this stupid thing but i took a ss |
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| 16:44.51 | z1haze | http://puu.sh/aWp8Z/ed894667cd.png |
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| 16:46.01 | shay_shay | z1haze: if you need to paste or select text in your VM you should install ssh in the vm and then ssh to it from the host |
| 16:46.15 | z1haze | i have no network to install anything |
| 16:46.19 | shay_shay | either that or just login to irc and do your web browsing from inside the VM :) |
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| 16:46.50 | z1haze | ssh is disabled on the host |
| 16:47.00 | z1haze | do you see any issue with my setup though? |
| 16:47.16 | babilen | Sara-: I seem to remember that the recommendation was to try a Debian kernel |
| 16:47.49 | Sara- | Babilen my bad. Sorry |
| 16:49.09 | z1haze | i thnk i fixed itm just restarted the vm |
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| 16:49.35 | shay_shay | z1haze: i guess the problem must be somewhere else :/ last octal of the broadcast ip should be 255 though |
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| 16:50.05 | z1haze | not for ovh tho |
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| 16:50.18 | z1haze | the broadcast is the failover ip being used |
| 16:50.25 | shay_shay | gotcha |
| 16:50.48 | shay_shay | i suppose restarting networking from sysv would have worked |
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| 16:51.03 | z1haze | it kept giving me that error when i tried restarting networking |
| 16:51.07 | z1haze | oh well tho |
| 16:51.08 | shay_shay | ovh offers dedicated servers with kvms? |
| 16:51.15 | z1haze | its ipmi |
| 16:51.22 | z1haze | wait what? |
| 16:51.43 | z1haze | ohh you mean virtual machine kvm, not keyboard video mouse :P |
| 16:51.59 | z1haze | yea they actually offer the esxi hypervisor, its what im using now |
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| 16:52.21 | z1haze | not really kvm, its something totally different, |
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| 16:52.57 | shay_shay | well not totally. theyre both type 1 hypervisors right? |
| 16:53.04 | z1haze | how do i edit the sources list in debian to have all the default repos? iirc it doesnt have any by default in this installation |
| 16:53.27 | z1haze | oh im not experienced enough to comment on it, but all the reserach i did basically says, its not ovz, its not kvm.. its something else lol |
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| 16:53.55 | shay_shay | ovh has their own mirror |
| 16:54.08 | shay_shay | i use it because theoretically it will be faster because its on site |
| 16:54.21 | z1haze | how do i do it? |
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| 16:54.29 | heurist | !tell z1haze -about sources |
| 16:54.34 | shay_shay | well it's already in your sources.list |
| 16:54.40 | z1haze | im still learning the ins and outs of this stuff |
| 16:54.50 | z1haze | well i didnt install the debian o/s from ovh |
| 16:54.56 | z1haze | i just installed from a disc |
| 16:55.05 | shay_shay | oh my bad |
| 16:55.08 | z1haze | when i ran apt-get update .. it basically did nothing |
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| 16:55.55 | z1haze | how do i setup the proper sources in debian? |
| 16:56.12 | ubsafder | shay_shay: update source.list with netselect-apt it will get you the perfect source.list file |
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| 16:56.39 | jmcnaught | z1haze: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 16:56.43 | z1haze | im reading this: http://linuxconfig.org/debian-apt-get-wheezy-sources-list |
| 16:57.17 | z1haze | but i dont really know what im doing yet.. so i need to run both the deb http://... and the deb-src http:// commands? |
| 16:57.41 | jmcnaught | z1haze: it's better to refer to documentation on official Debian domains before looking elsewhere. Check out the wiki page I just linked, it has a reasonable example you could follow |
| 16:57.44 | shay_shay | actually i've found netselect-apt always results in way worse situations than just using the DNS based mirrors: ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 16:58.13 | z1haze | yep im looking at it now.. whats the command to actually open the soruces file for the vm? |
| 16:58.28 | z1haze | just nano /etc/apt/sources.list i gues? |
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| 16:59.30 | jmcnaught | z1haze: yeah, "deb ..." is not a command you run, it's a line for the sources.list file |
| 16:59.40 | z1haze | err ok sorry |
| 16:59.43 | Brigo | z1haze, yes |
| 16:59.46 | ubsafder | z1haze: use any editor as root sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 16:59.47 | z1haze | im new :\ coming from windows here |
| 17:00.02 | shay_shay | z1haze: welcome :D |
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| 17:00.14 | z1haze | yea i like it, its just a lot of stuf you have to learn quickly |
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| 17:01.29 | z1haze | iu think my sources were commented out because the network setup failed during install |
| 17:01.39 | z1haze | cause i had to manually setup the network afterwards |
| 17:01.48 | jmcnaught | ubsafder: for running X/GUI applications don't use "sudo" but "gksudo" |
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| 17:02.36 | shay_shay | z1haze: http://paste.debian.net/116048/ |
| 17:02.49 | shay_shay | just an example |
| 17:03.06 | z1haze | whats the difference between the deb and deb-src ones |
| 17:03.09 | shay_shay | if you dont know why you need deb-src lines then you can just leave the out for now |
| 17:03.27 | shay_shay | i usually keep a deb-src line for sid in my sources.list for backporting packages |
| 17:03.45 | ubsafder | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.36 | jmcnaught | z1haze: if this is a server you should be using Debian Stable not Testing (which is what is used in shay_shay's example above) |
| 17:05.25 | z1haze | oh ok |
| 17:05.28 | z1haze | yes its stable |
| 17:06.08 | jmcnaught | z1haze: the SourcesList wiki page i linked to above has an example you could use, it uses the http.debian.net mirror redirector |
| 17:08.00 | jmcnaught | z1haze: if you're still learning, you'll probably want to read either/both the Debian Reference and Debian Administrator's Handbook. They both explain the package system in detail, and can be read online or installed locally as packages |
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| 17:09.58 | z1haze | whats the difference in the deb and deb-src? why do they have both in the sources.list file |
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| 17:10.57 | Brigo | z1haze, deb is for the binary packages, deb-src is for the sources -which normally nobody uses-. |
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| 17:11.00 | jmcnaught | z1haze: deb lines are for binary packages, deb-src are for source packages if you need to compile stuff from source. It explains this briefly on that wiki page I linked, and in more detail in the books I mentioned above |
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| 17:12.18 | Bluewolf | babilen: In your expertises, Between Gnome, KDE, LXDE and XFCE which can have its desktop environment moulded into the users needs. For example to be similar or the same as these pictures and not by their default settings? - http://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1910/2.png - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dRPbNv3zi0o/TpsqSHxAk0I/AAAAAAAADNk/hj5NfsKGk7c/s1600/Screenshot.png |
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| 17:13.48 | andry | is anyone using trinity in debian? how stable is it? |
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| 17:16.46 | jmcnaught | andry: trinity doesn't seem to be available in Debian |
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| 17:18.00 | andry | oh ok, just by adding a repository i read |
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| 17:19.29 | jmcnaught | andry: Okay. Be careful with third party repositories, sometimes they can conflict with the Debian repositories, and may make things difficult in the future when it's time to upgrade to the next Stable release. They're also not supported here |
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| 17:20.21 | shay_shay | Bluewolf: xfce if you're into theming and customizing. |
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| 17:22.29 | babilen | Bluewolf: XFCE and KDE come to mind, but I haven't used a desktop environment in a long time. |
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| 17:23.30 | babilen | Bluewolf: And please don't highlight me out of the blue. I will answer you if I see your question and if I am here, but if I'm not I don't want to be notified on non-essential highlights. |
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| 17:25.21 | Bluewolf | babilen: Thank you, and sorry for the inconvenience. |
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| 17:26.52 | Bluewolf | shay_shay: I like my desktop costumed to my liking, with XFCE can it be customized that much into making appear to be another distro almost? |
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| 17:30.47 | babilen | Bluewolf: Every style can be replicated |
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| 17:34.57 | XaT | hi :) |
| 17:35.36 | Bluewolf | babilen: Sorry what I am trying to ask or get at is, I have Gnome installed now (I don't like the interface) would I be able to it to look like this instead or perhaps look like XFCE? ( http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9I7uODnXCKk/Tb-Ofj6ru5I/AAAAAAAAAyg/z84bfBrznnw/s1600/bodhi.png ) |
| 17:36.38 | Bluewolf | I need to know whether I reinstall for what I seek or whether it can be done here? |
| 17:37.10 | babilen | To my knowledge you cannot theme gnome like that, no |
| 17:37.12 | XaT | i've set up a dhcp/pxe/tftp server, is that possible to host a debian live in it ? :o |
| 17:37.19 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: the image you have shared is of Enlightenment WM |
| 17:37.21 | babilen | But I haven't used it in something like six years |
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| 17:39.02 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: if you want high level of configurability, try XFCE or KDE or go with no DE approach |
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| 17:40.54 | Bluewolf | babilen: Okay thanks :D |
| 17:41.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps , i have come across an interesting scenario on my two servers. I got one sytem that houses my music dif and one that is rsync over the network to server b, now i am working on cleasning up my music folder and when i do a beet cleanup and move of a dir to a different spot it's going to make a duplicate dir on my server b right? should i use unison on this system or what?? |
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| 17:41.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i stop this they are going to be syncing like all the time and stuff is going to be duplicated |
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| 17:42.29 | Bluewolf | sandman13: Okay how far can XFCE or KDE be customized to can they be change to like something like the images I have put here? |
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| 17:42.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | server b is my new zfds share. |
| 17:42.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | zfs |
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| 17:43.57 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: this is my current desktop: http://imgur.com/ITnG6b9 KDE |
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| 17:50.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | er DFS |
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| 17:55.31 | trampel | anyone have a favorite (debian-friendly) symbolic math package? i have a set of equations, all have a few variables in common (at least pairwise) and i'd like to boil them down to one or two valid relations. thankee! |
| 17:56.13 | trampel | (mathomatic can't apparently handle some of the trig functions) |
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| 17:57.32 | Bluewolf | sandman13: So it is possible to get XFCE to look like any of these? - (http://www.corsac.net/images/bureaux/desktop.png) or (http://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1910/2.png) or (http://www.blackmoreops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Awesome-Kali-Linux-desktop-with-black-element-theme-conkycolor-and-cairodock.png) |
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| 17:58.47 | shay_shay | Bluewolf: stop pasting those links please |
| 17:58.59 | jj995_ | what is a good way to move the variable GIT_DIFF_RC in my makefile so that it is only evaluated when the deb rule is evaluated? I'm trying to avoid calling git in the cases where those variables aren't needed. https://github.com/BradnerLab/pipeline/blob/master/bamliquidator_internal/makefile |
| 17:58.59 | trampel | Bluewolf: i'm typing on an xfce box that looks quite a bit like your first image (... corsac ... ) [shrug] |
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| 17:59.31 | shay_shay | Bluewolf: multiple people already told you xfce will do what you want. you'll have to try it and see now |
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| 18:00.00 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: that last one is of GNOME, second one is of Cinnamon and first is XFCE and here's a bit of advice, TIAS |
| 18:00.36 | shay_shay | Bluewolf: browse this subreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn and this http://xfce-look.org/ |
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| 18:02.10 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: it seems kind of wrong to be calling git at all in a makefile |
| 18:02.22 | Guest43933 | why? |
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| 18:02.34 | Guest43933 | make can be used for any purpose |
| 18:02.45 | Guest43933 | It's stated in the GNU docs |
| 18:02.46 | babilen | Bluewolf: There are a *lot* of window managers that you might be more interested in if the primary thing you care about is tinkering with the layout of things. Also look into conky, various panels, ... |
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| 18:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Guest43933: sure, you can do almost anything in make, but there are some things which aren't a great idea, especially if you're building Debian packages. |
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| 18:03.53 | dondelelcaro | not the least of which being the fact that you might not have make present at all |
| 18:03.54 | Guest43933 | What git command is used in the makefile you mention |
| 18:04.00 | dondelelcaro | err, s/make/git/ |
| 18:04.18 | dondelelcaro | Guest43933: who knows? That's why I'm asking. |
| 18:04.27 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: what precisely are you doing? |
| 18:04.29 | Bluewolf | trampel: Okay Thanks |
| 18:04.31 | Bluewolf | shay_shay: Sorry about the links, I have downloaded XFCE to try. Thank you for the two links. |
| 18:04.33 | Bluewolf | sandman13: TIAS |
| 18:04.35 | Bluewolf | babilen: conky will work in gnome or XCFE? |
| 18:04.41 | Guest43933 | @dondelelcaro |
| 18:04.48 | jj995_ | dondelelcaro: it seems convienent to be able to create a deb package in my makefile, and I use git to populate an automatic changelog with the git hash |
| 18:04.56 | Guest43933 | exactly |
| 18:05.05 | Guest43933 | but what does that serve |
| 18:05.06 | shay_shay | Bluewolf: conky will work on any DE or WM |
| 18:05.14 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: Try It And See |
| 18:05.36 | Guest43933 | whenever a user installs a deb file....the remote repo's changelog is modified |
| 18:05.55 | Guest43933 | How does it help? |
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| 18:06.36 | jj995_ | Guest43933: no, the repo's hash is used to generate the changelog for the deb. the changelog is not committed to the repo. and it is only when the deb is generated, not when it is installed. |
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| 18:08.00 | Bluewolf | shay_shay: Sorry DE (Desktop Environment) WM? |
| 18:08.02 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: OK; can you paste the rule that you're trying to run? (Using a pastesite if possible) |
| 18:08.19 | Guest43933 | okay, that makes sense |
| 18:08.20 | Bluewolf | sandman13: Will do thanks :D |
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| 18:08.27 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: window manager |
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| 18:08.51 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Okay got it |
| 18:09.21 | jj995_ | dondelelcaro: https://github.com/BradnerLab/pipeline/blob/master/bamliquidator_internal/makefile |
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| 18:09.37 | shay_shay | nkuttler: oh man, i was going to share this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+wm |
| 18:09.42 | jj995_ | the rule is deb, line 130 |
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| 18:10.06 | jj995_ | the variable using git is currently on line 45 |
| 18:10.12 | nkuttler | shay_shay: you should rather use !wm if you must |
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| 18:10.34 | shay_shay | nkuttler: how can i get a list of the factoids? |
| 18:11.23 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php |
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| 18:12.17 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: and you also use it in the changelog definition I assume. |
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| 18:12.31 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: why not just write directly to the changelog in the deb rule? |
| 18:12.49 | shay_shay | !start a wm war |
| 18:12.50 | dpkg | metacity makes me vomit! |
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| 18:13.06 | jj995_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, I guess I could just do a buch of printfs in the rule, I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:14.24 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: and I think you can use target specific variables too, though I have to admit my make is really rusty |
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| 18:14.35 | dondelelcaro | jj995_: I can't remember if those are evaluated if you're not building that target |
| 18:14.50 | dondelelcaro | they probably shouldn't be, but I don't know if that's guaranteed |
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| 18:17.28 | l_r | what's the default desktop for debian |
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| 18:17.36 | l_r | xfce? |
| 18:17.41 | no_gravity | In this day and age, whats the best way to slow down the fans on a debian system? |
| 18:18.02 | nkuttler | no_gravity: i use fancontrol |
| 18:18.19 | l_r | no_gravity, put the laptop in the fridge |
| 18:18.29 | no_gravity | its a desktop |
| 18:18.39 | l_r | no_gravity, ok, so turn it off |
| 18:18.51 | nkuttler | l_r: you're not helping |
| 18:18.55 | l_r | :) |
| 18:18.56 | no_gravity | is fancontrol suitable for a desktop? |
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| 18:19.07 | nkuttler | l_r: the default desktop is gnome.. kinda.. but it depends on your installer cd |
| 18:19.22 | l_r | nkuttler, gnome? wasn't it stopped? |
| 18:19.49 | shay_shay | starting with wheezy and ending with wheezy gnome was the default |
| 18:19.51 | trampel | ('stopped'? halted at the border?) |
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| 18:19.55 | l_r | nkuttler, i am talkig about wheezy. my understaning is that i should install wheezy and then upgrade to 7.6 from there |
| 18:19.58 | shay_shay | was/is |
| 18:20.28 | nkuttler | l_r: what is your question? |
| 18:20.55 | l_r | nkuttler, is it possible to install debian 7.6 directly without passing through 7.0? |
| 18:20.56 | no_gravity | hmm... i get this: "/usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no fan-capable sensor modules installed" |
| 18:21.24 | nkuttler | l_r: afaik there should be new installers when there is a point release |
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| 18:22.40 | squisher | l_r, you can use the net-install cd |
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| 18:22.56 | squisher | that will give you the most up-to-date packages, maybe with some minimal upgrades from the very base system |
| 18:23.03 | squisher | that's relatively close to directly installing 7.6 |
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| 18:24.49 | l_r | is it safe to upgrade? I mean I have always had bad luck when upgrading ubuntu |
| 18:25.07 | abrotman | l_r: Debian is not Ubuntu |
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| 18:25.48 | TRUEist | Is netinstall image signed? |
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| 18:26.11 | abrotman | it has an md5sum, the repo is signed? |
| 18:26.49 | TRUEist | md5sum where? |
| 18:26.55 | TRUEist | And isn't md5 hacked? |
| 18:27.10 | smartass | hi, I'd like to get feedback on a idea for a tool based on fakechroot ... would this be the right channel? |
| 18:27.56 | TRUEist | I'd want a sha1sum over https at least... If sha1 isn't hacked already. |
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| 18:29.07 | jmcnaught | TRUEist: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/ other sums are available, you just need to look :) |
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| 18:29.39 | TRUEist | jmcnaught: that's plain http, not https |
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| 18:31.08 | jmcnaught | TRUEist: but as you can see SHA1, SHA256 and SHA512 sums are there, and there are GPG signatures for them |
| 18:31.24 | TRUEist | Why not simply serve checksums over HTTPS? |
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| 18:31.49 | XaT | what files i should use to offer a debian live through pxe/tftp ? |
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| 18:32.40 | TRUEist | jmcnaught: There are no clear instructions on how to actually verify the signatures... |
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| 18:35.30 | jmcnaught | TRUEist: "gpg --verify file.sig file" |
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| 18:36.00 | TRUEist | And where do I get the keys to verify against? |
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| 18:38.19 | babilen | TRUEist: In case you haven't noticed: https://www.debian.org/CD/ has a link "verify they are authentic" that links to https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 18:38.48 | TRUEist | I have |
| 18:38.51 | TRUEist | http://keyring.debian.org/ - where's the download link? |
| 18:38.52 | babilen | TRUEist: It would be wonderful if you don't consider it too much of a burden to read that first |
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| 18:40.26 | TRUEist | It'd be so much easier if it just provided the checksums over HTTPS... This key stuff doesn't provide any additional secuity over HTTPS. |
| 18:40.32 | abrotman | patches welcome |
| 18:41.01 | babilen | TRUEist: You would, naturally, just use gpg to get them from they keyserver directly, but keyrings (complete and large) can be downloaded from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debian-keyring |
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| 18:41.08 | boodie | Hi: recently skype ceased to work un my wheezy on AMD64 (unable to connect). Read that I had to re-install it to upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3. I followed the following wiki https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 (I didn't uninstall the previous ...), but it still doesn't connect ... any hints ? |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | TRUEist: so if the sha1 file is signed, and you have the keys .. what's the problem? |
| 18:41.25 | TRUEist | abrotman: eehhmgg... That would be supper-easy if I was an admin on debian.org... |
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| 18:41.52 | abrotman | TRUEist: y'ure not, you have a method to verify .. what's the problem?/ |
| 18:42.48 | TRUEist | The problem???... PRO!prietary software rocks! DRM protects! Distro = ghetto! All praise GNOME OS! The distributions will drown under their own filt! |
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| 18:43.01 | neglesaks | what drugs are you on? |
| 18:43.02 | TRUEist | Application bundles! Sandboxing! |
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| 18:43.15 | abrotman | TRUEist: you have your answer, you can validate the ISOs |
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| 18:43.58 | babilen | (and please try to stay focussed on support questions in here - it doesn't help anyone if you give in to certain urges) |
| 18:44.56 | smartass | hi, I would like to gather feedback on this idea for a tool: http://paste.debian.net/116065 |
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| 18:48.10 | TomasCZ | abrotman, I agree with you, no idea what is TRUEist problem. All he is suggesting is to put iso's and their checksums on single server and save the day with https from 3rdparty that could issue same cert to someone else. |
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| 18:48.34 | TomasCZ | "same" with same CN* |
| 18:48.48 | TJ- | smartass: Is that aimed at achieving the same end as overlayfs ? |
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| 18:50.55 | smartass | TJ-: it's a bit like overlay fs, but with a state machine |
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| 18:52.32 | smartass | TJ-: or do you think overlayfs could do the same thing? |
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| 18:56.04 | TJ- | smartass: I've used overlayfs to do something similar, but it isn't restricted to reads of course |
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| 18:58.05 | smartass | TJ-: tha state-machine like behavior is what I'm after, so that the linker finds the right libs |
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| 18:58.36 | smartass | TJ-: or were you able to do something like that without worrying about the linker? |
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| 19:01.50 | TJ- | smartass: I used it for package dependency testing without affecting the real file-system, so the package files were in the overlay, but everything else in the under-FS |
| 19:02.57 | smartass | TJ-: right, but you had the same libc at least |
| 19:04.08 | TJ- | smartass: Yes |
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| 19:05.25 | smartass | TJ-: the state machine behavior I propose should solve the issue with different linkers I think ... what do you think about that? |
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| 19:06.31 | TJ- | smartass: I'm too tired to think at all right now, brain shut-down about an hour ago :) |
| 19:07.04 | smartass | TJ-: ok :) .... could you suggest a different channel where I might get feedback? |
| 19:08.31 | TJ- | smartass: I think it's more the time than the channel, but ##linux might be interested |
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| 19:41.40 | leemar | hello, how can I disable the on-board(USB) webcam on a laptop? I know the device number... |
| 19:42.11 | no_gravity | When I use a terminal and go into fullscreen mode (with F11) I often still see a thin white border on the left and on the top. Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 19:45.17 | boodie | Hi: I'm trying to upgrade to skype 4.3 on a wheezy-AMD64, after skype 4.2 ceased to work. I followed the instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/skype , but at the end of the process, version 4.2 is installed and it can't connect. Tried apt-get purge + autoremove. Aptitude says 4.3 is installed, but the launcher says 4.2 |
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| 19:46.35 | boodie | I know, skype is awful, but most of the world I know uses it ... |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | boodie: tried to figure out where 4.2 is installed? |
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| 19:48.52 | boodie | abrotman: no, I assumed that purge + autoremove should have wiped it out ... |
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| 19:50.03 | shay_shay | no_gravity: xfce terminal? |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | boodie: you were wrong? |
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| 19:52.11 | titepute | Hi all, I'm on Kali Linux 1.0.7 and when I launch two VM (with virtaulbox) my sound is breaking |
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| 19:52.15 | shay_shay | no_gravity: you'll likely have to use a different terminal emulator |
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| 19:55.51 | vmiimu | auditd / auditctl are not accepting the following rules but they're working on another machine -- any help? |
| 19:56.00 | vmiimu | -a exit,always -F arch=b64 -S execve -a exit,always -F arch=b32 -S execve |
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| 19:56.23 | vmiimu | I get -- Error sending add rule request (Operation not supported) |
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| 19:57.53 | abrotman | titepute: Oddly, this is #debian, we don't support Kali here |
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| 19:58.13 | titepute | ok abrotman |
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| 20:01.28 | obiwahn | what kind of directory is /var/cache/apt/backup |
| 20:01.36 | obiwahn | is it safe to delete the content |
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| 20:02.11 | vmiimu | obiwahn: I like bleach bit for cleaning up safely. it's like ccleaner for windows |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | obiwahn: 'apt-get clean' |
| 20:03.47 | obiwahn | does not really help that clean the archives |
| 20:04.01 | obiwahn | abrotman: i have tried:) |
| 20:05.13 | abrotman | it should |
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| 20:06.27 | obiwahn | /var/cache/apt/backup |
| 20:06.29 | obiwahn | » apt-get clean && du -s |
| 20:06.31 | obiwahn | 4.7G. |
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| 20:11.33 | boodie | Hi everybody; After upgrading skype to the newest version 4.3 (https://wiki.debian.org/skype), you also need to delete the directory .skype in your personal directory, then it works ... |
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| 20:11.45 | kill_-9_1 | Is a Debian able to run after 2032 ? |
| 20:11.53 | dvs | boodie: so put that in the wiki. ;-) |
| 20:11.54 | Nik05 | yes |
| 20:12.03 | dvs | ???? |
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| 20:12.15 | dvs | 2-038? |
| 20:12.34 | sharp15 | is there a way to have apt fetch the updates separate from applying them? gentoo equivalent would be "emerge --fetch-only". |
| 20:12.38 | kill_-9_1 | Oops. yes, I meant 2038. |
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| 20:13.18 | kill_-9_1 | sharp15: debootstrap can do that. Does not know for APT. |
| 20:13.23 | Nik05 | kill_-9_1 it will run |
| 20:13.35 | Nik05 | just wrong time and some systems i guess |
| 20:13.38 | Nik05 | at* |
| 20:14.12 | kill_-9_1 | The time going backwards could make a problem... |
| 20:14.13 | c3w | and have to download 40 TB of updates |
| 20:14.30 | Nik05 | not sure if the system can still run, unsigned overflow -> undefined behaviour |
| 20:14.32 | dvs | ?? |
| 20:14.39 | kill_-9_1 | c3w: For what ??????? |
| 20:14.59 | dvs | The whole Debian archive is about 43GB |
| 20:14.59 | jmcnaught | sharp15: search the apt-get man page for download-only |
| 20:15.37 | sharp15 | jmcnaught: ok. tks. it would have supprised me for it not to be there but i wasn't sure what it would be called. |
| 20:15.38 | heurist | sharp15: apt-get download will do that download-only is for source |
| 20:15.41 | Nik05 | oh and ntp also has a problem in 2036 |
| 20:15.41 | sharp15 | *thanks |
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| 20:16.46 | kill_-9_1 | Nik05: Anyway, Linux is not ready yet, it will be discussed at LinuxCon 2014. |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | kill_-9_1: they have 20+ years to resolve this problem, and you could easily check yourself |
| 20:16.57 | sharp15 | until i used this machine it was a mystery what people meant by "squishy" or "mushy" keys on a laptop. |
| 20:17.12 | dvs | abrotman: just like Y2K? ;-) |
| 20:17.18 | kill_-9_1 | Just wondering about kFreeBSD. |
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| 20:18.34 | boodie | dvs: how do I add to the wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/skype)? |
| 20:18.44 | kill_-9_1 | abrotman: Does not want to take the risk of a broken system . |
| 20:18.57 | vmiimu | auditd is not working for me after changing kernel from Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 to Debian 3.14.12-1~bpo70+1 (2014-07-13). Where can I get more help? |
| 20:19.04 | abrotman | kill_-9_1: use a VM |
| 20:19.29 | dvs | boodie: I don't think you can. There's usually a discussion session but I don't see any there. |
| 20:19.48 | dvs | s/session/section/ |
| 20:20.00 | kill_-9_1 | abrotman: On a ARM machine. Will try Xen. |
| 20:20.24 | kill_-9_1 | ( not yet in the repos) |
| 20:20.38 | vmiimu | Auditd is not accepting rules after kernel upgrade. Where's the best place to post for help? |
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| 20:21.15 | kill_-9_1 | vmiimu: Did you try to reenable selinux=1 in GRUB ? |
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| 20:22.26 | ompaul | (man pages for the confusion) |
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| 20:23.41 | abrotman | kill_-9_1: qemu ? |
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| 20:24.47 | kill_-9_1 | abrotman: Qemu on ARM is messy and crappy, 5% of the real performance. May take days. |
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| 20:27.45 | vmiimu | kill_-9_1 : I had audit=1 but tring with selinux=1 in /etc/default/grub + update-grub |
| 20:27.57 | boodie | dvs: for once I could be useful ... |
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| 20:29.08 | vmiimu | kill_-9_1: Still getting Error sending add rule request (Operation not supported) |
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| 20:30.01 | kill_-9_1 | vmiimu: Did you reboot the system ? ( maybe a stupid question) |
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| 20:30.20 | vmiimu | kill_-9_1: yes update-grub and reboot |
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| 20:31.40 | vmiimu | kill_-9_1: Also confirmed rule is working if I reboot into older kernel |
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| 20:32.42 | kill_-9_1 | vmiimu: Does not like SElinux well. Does use 15 VMs currently ( better on the x86-64 box, will try the 2038 'law' after I finish some experience). |
| 20:32.52 | kill_-9_1 | *s |
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| 20:43.41 | cfaber | Hi folks, I'm hoping someone can help me out, I'm using a new wheezy installation and am trying to sort out of NFS server, right now with NFSv4 protocol it seems no_root_squash is ignored |
| 20:44.12 | cfaber | I've tried various combo's on different clients with different OS's and still end up having it ignored, the only work around so far is to mount he client specifying v3 or less |
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| 20:45.28 | sebastian1 | anyone know what the pulse config app is called on debian? |
| 20:45.57 | cfaber | pavucontrol for gui client (if that's what you're asking) |
| 20:46.20 | sebastian1 | yeah i think thats it. Is there a cli by any chance? |
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| 20:46.46 | cfaber | pacmd |
| 20:46.54 | cfaber | I beleive |
| 20:47.00 | cfaber | (I never use it so *shrugs*) |
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| 20:47.50 | sebastian1 | pacmd isn't it. If anyone knows, please tell |
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| 20:48.59 | cfaber | http://linux.die.net/man/1/pactl |
| 20:49.21 | Okee | I am trying to install gournal, but getting an error message indicating that libgnome2-print-perl dependency is not satisfiable. How do I fix this? I tried installing libgnome2-print-perl, and not in the repos. |
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| 20:50.08 | heurist | sebastian1: paman |
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| 20:52.01 | sebastian1 | heurist: thanks |
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| 20:53.40 | bluesceada | Okee: isn't gournal like not-updated since years? last time I used xournal instead which is relatively good on my convertible |
| 20:54.19 | Okee | bluesceada> According to their website, the last update was 11-14-2013 "http://www.adebenham.com/debian/" |
| 20:54.44 | bluesceada | ok maybe work continued on it after years of none |
| 20:54.59 | Okee | bluesceada> I tried xournal, and the xoj files constantly crash. And I tried Notelab, and don't find any text typer feature, but notelab seems more solid than xournal. |
| 20:55.16 | bluesceada | xournal worked very solid for me |
| 20:55.19 | bluesceada | very reliable |
| 20:55.24 | bluesceada | no idea what was your problem then |
| 20:55.51 | Okee | bluesceada> xoj files crash constantly. What distro are you running? I am running Debbian stable. |
| 20:56.16 | Okee | lubesceada> PDF exported from xoj files are ok, but xoj files are easier to edit. |
| 20:57.20 | bluesceada | Okee: what do you mean by the files crash? |
| 20:57.26 | bluesceada | you mean the files got corrupted? |
| 20:57.27 | sebastian1 | cfaber: pacmd is one, yes thanks. The package is pulseaudio-utils which provides the tool |
| 20:57.30 | bluesceada | i run debian |
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| 20:57.57 | bluesceada | but probably the most used xournal version by me is the one that is now in stable |
| 20:58.03 | bluesceada | maybe this newer version has issues |
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| 20:58.19 | bluesceada | but uh you said anyway you run stable, hmh |
| 20:58.27 | Okee | bluesceada> Yes, file gets corrupted, and then you can't edit it. A lot of things seem to set it off, but the most common one is name an export file, with a different name than the xoj file that exported it. |
| 20:58.32 | bluesceada | you edit xoj files by hand? |
| 20:59.07 | Okee | bluesceada> Generally us. I use xoj to open up PDF, and then type words in PDF documents. |
| 20:59.31 | bluesceada | uh you mean xoj as an abbreviation for xournal, sorry -.- |
| 20:59.35 | bluesceada | the files are also .xoj .. |
| 20:59.37 | Okee | PDF opened up is an XOJ file, so you have to export it to a PDF file. |
| 20:59.42 | bluesceada | yes i know |
| 20:59.48 | bluesceada | it is just a sidecar to the pdf |
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| 21:01.13 | bluesceada | i dont know of any free program that saves the editing information inside the pdf, I don't even know if that is possible by any pdf standard |
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| 21:02.26 | Okee | There are a couple of .deb files on gournals website, but I can't get either one of them to install. They both provide feedback, indicating there is a dependency problem. |
| 21:02.48 | nkuttler | Okee: random .debs are probably for ubuntu |
| 21:02.54 | Okee | Xournal will allow you to export your work to PDF. The exported file is ok, but the xoj file frequently corrupts. |
| 21:03.02 | bluesceada | Okee: gournal is old |
| 21:03.10 | bluesceada | the link you provided doesnt show the timestamp of the release |
| 21:03.19 | bluesceada | check here http://www.adebenham.com/old-stuff/gournal/ |
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| 21:05.27 | bluesceada | Okee: if I remember correctly, gournal once was in the debian repositories but seems to got removed because of being not developed anymore? |
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| 21:07.56 | Okee | low energy day. |
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| 21:08.25 | Okee | bluesceada> Either that, or the folks in Debian were bored. |
| 21:08.52 | bluesceada | so maybe you should rather check why xournal does crash, because it never did for me |
| 21:09.07 | Okee | bluesceada> What distro you running? |
| 21:09.13 | bluesceada | like i said before, debian |
| 21:09.24 | bluesceada | at the moment i dont use xournal very much or at atll |
| 21:09.32 | Okee | bluesceada> ARe you running Debian stable? Or testing? |
| 21:09.36 | bluesceada | but it is probably the version currently in stable |
| 21:09.46 | Okee | I use xournal a lot. |
| 21:09.53 | bluesceada | I also did |
| 21:10.15 | bluesceada | since no lectures anymore and now switching back to a normal notebook I don't do anymore though |
| 21:10.44 | Okee | bluesceada> I mainly use xournal to fill out PDF forms. |
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| 21:10.58 | bluesceada | forms? for that you can use okular |
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| 21:11.06 | bluesceada | or just write into pdfs?: |
| 21:11.31 | bluesceada | i used it to write into pdfs of lecture slides, ocassionally putting an empty slide in between to draw/write on them |
| 21:12.04 | bluesceada | (for forms that are really made as PDF forms, they can be entered with text input in okular, that is what i mean) |
| 21:14.20 | Okee | bluesceada> Until now, I could never figure out how to use Okular for editing PDF> I just discovered that you have to select the input box, in the upper right corner, that says "show form". Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:15.08 | Okee | okular is usually kept up-to-date, and more reliable. |
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| 21:15.58 | lrockhq | do y'all have a truly social channel? someone is being a nazi in debian-offtopic |
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| 21:16.13 | Okee | bluesceada> Ok, now I remember my problem with Okular. I can't sign my name with the mouse. Is there a way to sign my name with the mouse? I could fill out the form with Okular, and then use Notelab to sign it. |
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| 21:16.31 | bluesceada | just sign it when printed?? i dont know what you are trying to achieve in total |
| 21:16.39 | bluesceada | or print to pdf and add the signing in okular later... |
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| 21:18.45 | Okee | bluesceada> Are you sure signing can be done in Okular? What I am trying to do is fill out a PDF, and then sign my name with the mouse. Xournal does this feature. I think Notelab allows signing as well, but I don't think you can type text in Notelab. |
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| 21:28.19 | bluesceada | Okee: ah no sorry, just filling forms |
| 21:28.26 | Okee | I found the annotator, but don't find anything for black. Everything is yellow or blue. |
| 21:28.52 | bluesceada | sorry wanted to say "signing in xournal later" before |
| 21:29.51 | cfaber | no NFSv4 users here? =) |
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| 21:31.19 | kill_-9_1 | cfaber: Maybe not. |
| 21:31.28 | meek_geek | guys rsync or tar for backing up your ~ ? |
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| 21:32.18 | rryoumaa | meek_geek: tar if you need it serialized |
| 21:32.43 | rryoumaa | so rsync, because you asked |
| 21:32.49 | kill_-9_1 | meek_geek: Is that the same as the debate between Vi and Emacs ? |
| 21:32.49 | digdilem | meek_geek, rsync. tar will copy eveerything each time |
| 21:32.58 | cfaber | I'd be fine with forcing v3, however it seems the options to force protocol version on the server aren't working either =) |
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| 21:33.13 | kill_-9_1 | meek_geek: Prefer rsync. |
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| 21:33.48 | meek_geek | kill_-9_1, but how can I compress the data with rsync ? |
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| 21:34.08 | meek_geek | Do I have to maintain a separate compressed file with xz ? |
| 21:34.50 | kill_-9_1 | meek_geek: I think that there is an option in the man. |
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| 21:35.08 | meek_geek | kill_-9_1, ok thanks |
| 21:36.10 | rryoumaa | rsync can't compress destination files afaik, at least on wheezy. the --compress option, iiuc, is only for the transfer. i hope somebody will prove me wrong. |
| 21:36.56 | cfaber | you can use hardlinks and generate daily snapshots with it, then compress those after the fact |
| 21:37.16 | cfaber | or send the data to a file system with compression support such as zfs |
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| 21:37.38 | kill_-9_1 | rryoumaa: All the versions are like that but it does use a lower network bandwith. |
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| 21:38.07 | rryoumaa | the problem with hardlinks is then when you transfer again you are transferring the uncompressed file |
| 21:38.16 | Harkenn | Is there any significant risk installing jessie packages in wheezy? or is it on a case-by-case basis? |
| 21:38.22 | kill_-9_1 | cfaber: ZFS is less than ideal on Linux (but good on Solaris) . |
| 21:38.33 | meek_geek | kill_-9_1, yep there is a compression option |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | Harkenn: no security support, decresaed stability, possible to bork entire system |
| 21:38.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Harkenn about ssb |
| 21:38.41 | cfaber | *shrugs* zfs seems pretty stable on linux to me. |
| 21:39.12 | kill_-9_1 | dpkg: tell Harkenn -about FrankenDebian |
| 21:39.54 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: you could use rdiff-backup which does compression, or a tool that uses it like duplicity or duply (which adds support for encryption and remote targets) |
| 21:41.03 | kill_-9_1 | Harkenn: Did you understood what the bot meant ? |
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| 21:41.24 | Harkenn | abrotman: kill_-9_1: thanks...I think so, going to get some more info on some if the stuff it mentioned. |
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| 21:46.08 | Okee | Any idea who is maintaining libmtp8? I attempt to install an AMD64 version of Gournal, and receive an error message indicating that the dependency libmtp8 has been replaced, with the following files: libmtp-runtime libmtp-common libmtp-runtime:i386 How could libmtp8 be replaced with an i386 file, if the subject installation is an AMD64? Something seems wrong or weird. |
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| 21:57.01 | Harkenn | kill_-9_1: i'm somewhat confused; I need to install glibc version 2.14 (or greater? not sure) and I thought I coudl figure it out based on what dpkg had...but. |
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| 21:57.57 | kill_-9_1 | Harkenn: YOU SHOULD NOT CREATE A FRANKENDEBIAN. Try backports first. |
| 21:58.25 | zh1 | which package alternative can i use to v4l2ucp to set brightness on debian? |
| 21:58.55 | Okee | How do I add a program to the start menu? I installed it with the GDebian package installer, instead of with the apt-get command. |
| 21:59.01 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: Gnome3 can manage that in the GUI. |
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| 21:59.53 | Harkenn | kill_-9_1: that's what i'm trying. I've got wheezy-backports on sources.list but I'm stuck now |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | wonders why MY123 is changing nicks .. |
| 22:00.31 | abrotman | Harkenn: you can't change your libc6 like that |
| 22:00.57 | zh1 | kill_-9_1, on the application or menus? |
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| 22:01.32 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: An icon in the 'taskbar'. |
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| 22:02.18 | kill_-9_1 | abrotman: Just to avoid the flamewars after being cloaked. |
| 22:04.09 | kill_-9_1 | Harkenn: Did you remove any jessie lines and apt-get update before trying ? |
| 22:04.17 | zh1 | kill_-9_1, for brightness? |
| 22:05.08 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: Yes. there is a brightness setting here for my Eee PC. Should work on other Hw. |
| 22:05.18 | zh1 | dont have that |
| 22:05.39 | zh1 | can u show a printscreen? |
| 22:06.12 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: PC off in 11PM. |
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| 22:07.59 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: Do you have a PC ? I think that it is for laptops only. |
| 22:09.05 | zh1 | y, pc |
| 22:09.35 | zh1 | i'm not talking on buttons, but package |
| 22:10.27 | zh1 | kill_-9_1, my laptop has that |
| 22:10.51 | ebfull | I've luks encrypted a few disks which act as physical volumes for LVM, but LVM doesn't automatically activate the volume group/logical volumes at boot... so my fstab can't automount at boot either |
| 22:11.08 | ebfull | i have to vgchange after i've booted to enable the logical volumes and then i can mount |
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| 22:12.49 | kill_-9_1 | zh1: I'm talking about the brightness can be set with a icon in the desktop taskbar in my laptop. I'm not aware of any special package. |
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| 22:14.45 | ChibaPet | Is there likely to be any issue with crypttab containing two lines with the same map target but different UUIDs? |
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| 22:17.28 | ChibaPet | I'm imagining "no" but we'll see the next time I reboot, I guess. :) |
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| 22:36.21 | carandraug | hi! My system has two interfaces, one for ethernet and another for wireless. The avahi-daemon keeps on bringing eth0 up even when there's no cable connected, then creating eth0:avahi which "steals" the internet connection. I have set deny-interfaces on avahi-daemon.conf, but seems to ignore that, it keeps coming back up after a few minutes. Any idea how to solve this? |
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| 22:49.29 | LtL | carandraug: disable avahi? i always do |
| 22:50.33 | carandraug | LtL, I'm sure it must be doing something useful. I was hoping to fix the problem, or at least report it |
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| 22:51.16 | carandraug | isn't avahi responsible to configure the connection automatically when I plug in the ethernet cable, or create a VPN connection? |
| 22:51.28 | LtL | carandraug: thats very possibly it needed, so unfortunately i can't help you |
| 22:52.37 | LtL | carandraug: no, its used to detect unicast dns servers that serve .local read /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
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| 22:53.46 | carandraug | reads |
| 22:54.00 | format_c | carandraug, what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like > nopaste |
| 22:55.31 | carandraug | format_c, http://bpaste.net/show/RhDsUIDaSe6LDYITABKG/ |
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| 22:56.13 | LtL | carandraug: my guess is you don'tneedit,most folks consider it evil |
| 22:56.39 | format_c | avahi is for me only known as a mDNS daemon. |
| 22:56.55 | LtL | carandraug: its simple to turn off, you can always revert it |
| 22:56.57 | format_c | I wonder what it's has to do with interface configuration |
| 22:56.58 | carandraug | the only change I've made on the system from stock jessie (I installed it this weekend, it's a new computer) was setting "deny-interfaces=eth0" on /etc/avahi-daemon.conf |
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| 22:58.13 | carandraug | the reason I'm blaming it on avahi is that when I lose connection, a eth0:avahi is created with some weird IP address. Using "ip route get" I se it's strying to use eth0 |
| 22:58.52 | format_c | Which address for instance? |
| 22:59.59 | carandraug | format_c, I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. I have tried with 'ip route get 130.89.148.14' |
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| 23:00.38 | format_c | carandraug, you said that the interface eth0:avahi get's a weird address. |
| 23:00.45 | format_c | Which one this is I have asked. |
| 23:00.52 | carandraug | it's resolving properly, when I use ping www.debian.or, it get's the right IP, but then gets destination host unreachable |
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| 23:01.46 | carandraug | format_c, ah! It's 169.254.9.67 which I have read means it failed to obtain a IP address to eth0 (I don't have any cable connected to it) |
| 23:01.59 | format_c | Ah that's an APIPA address |
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| 23:02.27 | format_c | This is used if no automatic address can be obtained. |
| 23:02.46 | format_c | Maybe also if a duplicate address is being used somewhere in your LAN. |
| 23:02.56 | carandraug | format_c, ok. So my understanding was correct? The thing is, why trying to get an address in the first place? |
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| 23:04.59 | format_c | you use DHCP for configuring your interface. Hence it seem to work (could you please nopaste `ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0`) and then it stops. Try manually configure another address which is considered to be free and ping the whole subnet and check if some other node responds to "your" old IP. |
| 23:05.41 | format_c | Pinging the whole subnet can be done by `nmap -sP 192.168.0.1-254` if your subnet is 192.168.0.0/24. |
| 23:06.12 | dvs | or ping 192.168.0.255... |
| 23:06.31 | format_c | dvs, too unreliable |
| 23:06.42 | format_c | some nodes does not respond to the subnet broadcast |
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| 23:06.52 | format_c | even not to broadcast |
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| 23:07.47 | vmiimu | what do i need to add to sources.list to be able to install a single unstable package? |
| 23:08.16 | carandraug | so I ran that and its printing a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER (I'm on another computer as I don't have internet there) |
| 23:08.25 | dvs | vmiimu: you check backports. |
| 23:09.05 | carandraug | format_c, it ended up in "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping." |
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| 23:10.55 | carandraug | format_c, I do not have nmap installed. I will try ping 192.168.0.255 |
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| 23:12.39 | azashog | Hello all. Does anyone know where I could find WinUSB for Debian? The original author's site is broken. |
| 23:12.58 | carandraug | format_c, I can ping the other machine in the network (the laptop where I'm on IRC now) |
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| 23:14.33 | carandraug | on the other hand, I'm no longer blaming avahi because I've stopped the avahi-daemon and eth0:avahi came up automatically anyway |
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| 23:15.12 | format_c | carandraug, so you changed your IP and another host response to your previously used IP? |
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| 23:15.32 | LtL | carandraug: you have to set /etc/default/avahi-daemon to 0 |
| 23:15.36 | zechfdf | hi world |
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| 23:15.59 | carandraug | LtL, I ran "service avahi-daemon stop", is that not enough? |
| 23:16.19 | zechfdf | i have an issue .. virtual boix from backport .. when i run a guest in headless mode .. produce not always but sometimes . host crash . |
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| 23:16.29 | zechfdf | (debian wheezy) |
| 23:16.49 | zechfdf | at launch of the guest.. |
| 23:16.55 | LtL | carandraug: thats not enough, and i would use, update-rc.d avahi-daemon disable |
| 23:16.58 | format_c | carandraug, sorry had to read the history bit back. you wrote that you haven't got any response to DHCPDISCOVER probes. |
| 23:17.00 | carandraug | format_c, uh. I ran the "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" but the ipaddress of eth0:avahi restored the same. I then pinged another machine on the lan and got a response |
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| 23:17.24 | format_c | That clearly explains why the address is set. |
| 23:18.11 | carandraug | format_c, sorry. I think we're getting a miscomunication. I havw wlan0 from where I could use the internet (it works when I bring eth0 down). However, eth0 comes up again after a few minutes and becomes the interface to use by default. |
| 23:18.39 | LtL | carandraug: i think you have something different going on because i never experienced your problem even with avahi-daemon running |
| 23:19.09 | format_c | carandraug, I'd be interessted in your `netstat -rn` output. |
| 23:19.16 | carandraug | LtL, avahi-daemon is no longer running. "service avahi-daemon status" tells me it stopped |
| 23:19.57 | LtL | carandraug: i tried that too,but changing /etc/default/avahi-daemon did the trick |
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| 23:20.35 | carandraug | format_c, 1 mnute. I'll have to type it |
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| 23:22.45 | carandraug | format_c, http://bpaste.net/show/myk2VyJjtO3mwXeAYPwS/ |
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| 23:23.30 | format_c | wow this is weird. Why this default route is being installed on ethà |
| 23:23.36 | format_c | eth0 |
| 23:24.18 | carandraug | format_c, it's a fresh install of jessie (well, I actually installed 1 week ago but only this weekend had free time again) |
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| 23:24.43 | carandraug | so aside the basic installation, I only installed gnome-core |
| 23:24.46 | format_c | carandraug, however, do you expect dhcp to be present on eth0? |
| 23:25.32 | carandraug | format_c, not at this moment no. But I would like to when I'm at work just plug in the cable and have DHCP on eth0 |
| 23:26.47 | format_c | carandraug, try the following: |
| 23:26.48 | tsam | 3 |
| 23:26.54 | format_c | edit /etc/avahi/avahi-autoipd.action |
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| 23:27.26 | format_c | change "METRIC=$((1000 + `cat "/sys/class/net/$2/ifindex" 2>/dev/null || echo 0`))" to "METRIC=$((1050 + `cat "/sys/class/net/$2/ifindex" 2>/dev/null || echo 0`))" |
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| 23:28.16 | carandraug | done |
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| 23:29.34 | carandraug | now what? Should I restart some service? |
| 23:29.56 | format_c | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 23:30.01 | format_c | and wait |
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| 23:31.12 | format_c | meanwhile please nopaste route -n |
| 23:31.25 | ec|ipse | Hello |
| 23:31.54 | ec|ipse | I just did a debian update, i didn't pay attention to it too much, some god damn fucking update and it was stuck, I restarted my computer, and magically, my windows partition is missing |
| 23:32.42 | ec|ipse | i am hoping to god it is still there, and for some incredibly stupid reason the boot option is missing |
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| 23:33.02 | ec|ipse | does anyone have any idea what the hell just happened?? |
| 23:33.53 | format_c | carandraug, any news? |
| 23:34.15 | carandraug | format_c, the first command ended one more time with No DHCPOFFERS received (note that it's not connected so it should right?) |
| 23:34.17 | onitaL | hi. where do I find a older .deb version again, please? |
| 23:34.35 | format_c | carandraug, that's OK |
| 23:34.45 | LtL | ec|ipse: it was likely 'thinking' patience is a virtue. look in /dev/ for the windows partition or use fdisk -l |
| 23:34.54 | format_c | But I'd be interessted in your `route -n` output |
| 23:35.05 | carandraug | format_c, and I ran "route -n" and was typing it into bpaste while that was running, but when I ran it again in the end, it had changed Are you interested on before or after the ifown/ifup commands? |
| 23:35.26 | format_c | After |
| 23:35.34 | abrotman | ec|ipse: is os-prober installed? |
| 23:35.35 | onitaL | snapshot.debian.org, thx |
| 23:36.49 | ec|ipse | abrotman: not that I know of |
| 23:37.36 | carandraug | format_c, here it is http://bpaste.net/show/SebEUOSPZYyOtzAmR9zo/ |
| 23:38.02 | LtL | ec|ipse: install os-prober and run it, if windows is there it will set it up and update-grub for you |
| 23:38.12 | format_c | carandraug, for me it seems that now you still have Internet access right? |
| 23:38.24 | ec|ipse | LtL: I see, also, fdisk says command not found |
| 23:38.37 | carandraug | format_c, oh, you're right. I can ping the outside now |
| 23:39.06 | LtL | ec|ipse: its not installed or not in your path, you need to be root also. try os-prober |
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| 23:39.49 | format_c | I suspect NetworkManager to be responsible to (a) install a default route to 0.0.0.0 on the APIPA configured interface which makes no sense and (b) to give this default route a higher precedence (metric) than the real default route. |
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| 23:40.16 | ec|ipse | LtL: os-prober returned "/dev/sda1:Windows 8 (loader):Windows:chain" |
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| 23:40.38 | LtL | ec|ipse: then its there |
| 23:40.42 | jhutchins | format_c: Wihc might make sense if it weren't for the fact that thousands of people use network-manager without this problem. |
| 23:41.06 | ec|ipse | LtL: okay, and you say it updated grub automatically? |
| 23:41.17 | carandraug | format_c, ok. So I'm guessing I should report this as bug to NetworkManager? |
| 23:41.39 | LtL | ec|ipse: should have yes or it was aready in grub |
| 23:41.51 | ec|ipse | LtL: alright, ill restart and get back to you |
| 23:41.52 | LtL | ec|ipse: reboot it |
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| 23:45.29 | foo | I updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice nothing is getting logged in syslog or messages in /var/log - did something change here that I missed? |
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| 23:45.35 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: it is still missing |
| 23:46.10 | z1haze | can anyone tell me how to install java 8 on a debian server? |
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| 23:46.51 | carandraug | format_c, how did you figure out which one was the default route from "netstat -rn"? |
| 23:47.17 | LtL | ec|ipse_: your /etc/fstab must have gotten messed up, you can mount it manually though |
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| 23:48.35 | carandraug | format_c, is that just by the order they appear on the table? If so, why are the more specific ones, 192.168.0.0 at the bottom? |
| 23:48.58 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: okay, could I get help with that? It's been a while |
| 23:49.40 | ec|ipse_ | I can google it too |
| 23:49.54 | ec|ipse_ | ok so basically i need to mount sda1 then |
| 23:50.09 | LtL | ec|ipse_: make a mount point, mkdir /media/windows ; then mount ât ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/windows |
| 23:51.34 | format_c | carandraug, no I needed the output of route -n and the Metric value |
| 23:51.56 | format_c | But I guess the order of netstat -rn is also good. |
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| 23:52.42 | format_c | the 192.168.0.0 is not at the top because it's the most specific once (however it's being displayed in that order). |
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| 23:53.30 | format_c | I think the sorting order is destination and then genmask |
| 23:53.38 | format_c | and then metric |
| 23:54.22 | carandraug | format_c, but if it's sorted by destination, then the more specific ones should be at the top, no? Otherwise, since the top is 0.0.0.0, it will always match and never get to the 192.168.0.0 |
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| 23:55.15 | format_c | carandraug, I said destination is the first order, so 0 is less than 192 and 168 |
| 23:55.18 | format_c | 169 |
| 23:55.45 | format_c | The order doesn't have anything to do with the way the actual matching route is determined. |
| 23:55.50 | carandraug | format_c, exacty. Since 0 is less than 192 and 168, 0 comes first? |
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| 23:55.58 | carandraug | format_c, ah! My bad then |
| 23:56.21 | format_c | not really. |
| 23:56.23 | carandraug | I understood that the order decided which route to take |
| 23:57.01 | format_c | pinging a destination that only matches the default route, you have two equal routes for that destination only distiguished by it's metric |
| 23:57.16 | format_c | Before the change, the default route on eth0 had a better metric. |
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| 23:57.29 | format_c | now the default route on wlan0 has the better metric. |
| 23:58.10 | carandraug | format_c, better metric means lower value correct? But in none of my pastes did I shown you the metric of eth0 |
| 23:58.27 | carandraug | well, I guess you knew it's standard from the file you told me to edit |
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| 23:58.51 | sepero | Hi all. Is it possible to mount a partition over root / to replace the root filesystem? |
| 23:58.52 | format_c | yes lower is better. the route -n output show the metric |
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