| 00:00.02 | rachaelza | ok |
| 00:00.11 | centrx | rachaelza, If you want to read something, check out http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else |
| 00:00.26 | rachaelza | i tried postgres and i didnt like it much |
| 00:00.33 | centrx | rachaelza, Might just be interesting in general. Obviously, MySQL is still pretty good |
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| 00:01.17 | centrx | rachaelza, Thery're mostly identical, as they are both RDBMS/SQL, but in the areas where they differ, Postgresql comes out on type I would say. |
| 00:01.31 | centrx | *on top |
| 00:02.13 | rachaelza | when i tried it i found the user management was not as simple, |
| 00:02.30 | centrx | yeah I haven't delved into that |
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| 00:02.37 | rachaelza | mysql you just grant things to a user, it was so simple |
| 00:02.38 | centrx | my app has one user :) |
| 00:03.06 | centrx | called "The Web" |
| 00:03.30 | rachaelza | ok, i work on things where there are hundreds of users, with different permissions on different db's/tables/fields |
| 00:03.51 | centrx | yeah I can see where a specific thing like that would be an advantage |
| 00:04.05 | rachaelza | like one user may only be able to update one field on one table but read 3 other tables of the same db |
| 00:04.38 | rachaelza | the only real issue i had with mysql was disc io |
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| 00:04.49 | rachaelza | but that was more hardware than mysql |
| 00:05.10 | centrx | one thing is the MySQL query planner doesn't deal with subqueries well |
| 00:05.38 | centrx | Postgresql and SQL Server and more are able to look inside the subquery to produce an optimal plan |
| 00:06.09 | centrx | MySQL creates basically a temporarily table, __that has no indexes__, and queries it like a table with no indexes |
| 00:06.09 | rachaelza | ok |
| 00:06.26 | centrx | anyway just making conversation with some cool info |
| 00:06.34 | civillian | centrx: what about Oracle? |
| 00:06.41 | centrx | I don't know much about Oracle |
| 00:06.53 | centrx | Postgresql syntax is a lot like Oracle though |
| 00:07.11 | rachaelza | not really, i was given a sun server with it on years ago, but didnt really play with it |
| 00:07.50 | rachaelza | i just installed debian on it and used it as a desktop :D |
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| 00:38.15 | acu | is there something else than virtual manager ? |
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| 00:43.20 | fraktor | Ok debian gurus, I have a problem. |
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| 00:43.43 | fraktor | I'm currently using Ubuntu Gnome, and I'm noticing that lots of Ubuntu packages are buggy and crash-prone. |
| 00:43.56 | fraktor | I'd like to migrate to Debian, which (so I've heard) has better package maintainers. |
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| 00:44.18 | fraktor | But I already have a few programs installed that I would like to transfer over, and since Ubuntu is debian-based, it seems like I should be able to do that (somehow.) |
| 00:44.56 | fraktor | is there anyway I could transfer them over, or do I have to manually reinstall them (not a problem, just a hassle)? |
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| 00:46.51 | darsie | I think transferring them is a bigger hassle, but I'm not a debian guru. |
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| 00:47.16 | fraktor | alright. |
| 00:47.28 | fraktor | lots of the programs I use are part of Gnome, so I can just install Gnome again. |
| 00:47.46 | fraktor | also, I have my /home directory on a different partition, so that SHOULD make transfer easier (I'll make a backup, just to be sure) |
| 00:48.05 | darsie | Yes, but I don't like gnome3. |
| 00:48.27 | mikey | Everyone should just use mate. |
| 00:49.26 | darsie | I use xfce. It's not perfect, either. |
| 00:51.06 | aypea[0] | it's an imperfect slipper compared to gnome3's imperfect spiked boot. ;) |
| 00:51.35 | fraktor | I like gnome 3. |
| 00:51.45 | fraktor | I got used to it, so I'm kinda biased. |
| 00:52.06 | fraktor | I used i3 for a while (until I realized that the only reason I liked tiling was terminals, and I can get that with tmux.) |
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| 00:52.30 | fraktor | I've used Openbox, Xfce, LXDE, Mate, KDE, and Cinnamon. |
| 00:52.33 | aypea[0] | uses sawfish on desktop and xfce4 on laptop. |
| 00:52.48 | fraktor | Gnome I really like because of it's memory usage (not low, but not like KDE) and because it coddles me. |
| 00:52.53 | fraktor | might as well be honest here. |
| 00:53.39 | aypea[0] | :) |
| 00:54.03 | fraktor | I've also used Fedora, and found that I like Debian better. |
| 00:54.14 | fraktor | I like Arch's rolling package release, but Debian seems to just run better for me. |
| 00:54.22 | fraktor | (which is odd, maybe it's my imagination) |
| 00:55.36 | fragtastic | just moved over from arch yesterday |
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| 00:56.42 | fraktor | also, because I do kind of like rolling release, is it a bad idea to use Debian testing? |
| 00:57.15 | zvz | it's more like a rolling release than stable is |
| 00:57.44 | zvz | if you like newer packages try it out |
| 00:57.56 | fraktor | right, but it's more unstable (obviously.) what I mean is, is it unstable enough that it would be better to use stable, because this is my only personal machine? |
| 00:58.23 | fragtastic | fraktor, it's more stable than unstable |
| 00:58.33 | fraktor | that's true. |
| 00:58.36 | zvz | i've been using it as my own personal machine for about six months. no problems. |
| 00:58.43 | fraktor | in that case, I'll get the net installer right now. |
| 00:59.03 | fraktor | (sorry for the people providing bandwidth, but my ISP throttles torrents, and I'm impatient.) |
| 00:59.29 | fragtastic | been using arch for years with no problems |
| 00:59.48 | fragtastic | just a lot of software doesn't want to behave on arch without fiddling from the user |
| 00:59.59 | fraktor | I had problems because I messed too much with configs, so I thought "screw it, I'm moving to Ubuntu." |
| 01:00.00 | zvz | i don;t use a lot of graphics heavy programs or anything more serious development-wise than bash scripts though, so maybe someone with a wider range of usage can speak for its stability better than me |
| 01:00.19 | fraktor | I do some java programming (Eclipse), and that runs ok. |
| 01:00.21 | zvz | fragtastic: yeah I don't have that kind of patience anymore |
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| 01:00.55 | fragtastic | zvz, i spent 9 hours trying to get an android rom dev setup on arch |
| 01:01.01 | fragtastic | downloaded 25GB |
| 01:01.22 | fragtastic | python -> python3 instead of python2 |
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| 01:01.42 | fragtastic | didn't want to deal with that or any other surprises coming up |
| 01:01.48 | darsie | fraktor: You'll get more package updates than with stable, which, I guess, is what you want. But if you don't update regularly they can get quite many and this was a bit too overwhelming for me. |
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| 01:02.02 | fraktor | alright. |
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| 01:02.11 | fraktor | I do weekly package updates anyway (I might even set up a cron job.) |
| 01:02.20 | fragtastic | personally i go for testing always, unless it's a production machine |
| 01:02.26 | fraktor | right. |
| 01:02.33 | fragtastic | kinda like having packages that aren't cripplingly old |
| 01:02.53 | fraktor | I'm actually going to be setting up a household server (ancient DELL dinosaur), and I'm using Debian stable for that, because it has all the updated packages I need. |
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| 01:03.28 | zvz | testing is nice for me. i don't care much about "new" packages except for a few key ones, and I like seeing upgrades every few days anyway |
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| 01:03.53 | zvz | fraktor: yeah in that case I'd stay on stable for sure |
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| 01:04.33 | darsie | fraktor: There are probably interactive questions to be answered, which cron won't do. You can set a detail level for these questions, though, IIRC. You may also be presented with changed config files with the choice of using the new ones or keeping your old, modified ones, or manually carry over your modifications to the new ones. |
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| 01:06.14 | fragtastic | fraktor, yeah, i'll have to agree there. would do updates by hand rather than cron |
| 01:06.36 | darsie | fraktor: An alternative is to use stable and install selected packages from backports or backport them yourself from unstable, which may be simple for some or a hassle for others. |
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| 01:09.01 | fraktor | I've compiled some of my own packages before, but I don't know if that's all there is to backports. |
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| 01:09.19 | fraktor | plus, some packages have stumped me (Audacity was crashing, but I had to install a lot of dependencies to make it work). |
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| 01:10.12 | darsie | !backports |
| 01:10.13 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 01:10.40 | darsie | sid is the permanent codename for unstable. |
| 01:10.52 | zvz | if I want to exclude two patterns (.Sync* and .git) with rsync, do I enter the flag as --exclude=.Sync*,.git ? or do I need to enter the --exclude flag once for each pattern? |
| 01:10.52 | darsie | gn |
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| 01:24.38 | zvz | neverind it's the lattr |
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| 01:24.41 | zvz | latter* |
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| 01:25.52 | fraktor | exit |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | thought zvz mistyped lsattr ... |
| 01:25.55 | fraktor | oops. :P |
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| 01:26.43 | dvs | workaholic! |
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| 01:45.19 | fraktor | I'm back, and I'm kinda pissed off. |
| 01:45.39 | fraktor | not really, but just a little. I've wasted a DVD-R because apparently my wifi card needs non-free drivers. |
| 01:45.51 | fraktor | I understand the licensing... but really? could they not include some of those with the install? |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fraktor about firmware images |
| 01:47.24 | fraktor | I sit corrected. |
| 01:47.45 | fraktor | is that debian testing? |
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| 01:48.30 | abrotman | does it say that? |
| 01:48.41 | danlamanna | it says wheezy |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | do you need testing? |
| 01:49.40 | fraktor | yes. |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | so install wheezy and dist-upgrade? |
| 01:50.12 | fraktor | alright. |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | otherwise, put the firmware on a usb drive and access them from the install |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | installer |
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| 01:51.24 | fragtastic | fraktor, not usb booting? |
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| 01:51.40 | fraktor | I have a bootable USB I need for other thigns. |
| 01:51.42 | fraktor | *things |
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| 01:54.11 | fraktor | plus, I can't find a way to usb boot without Unetbootin (which is kinda heavy for what I want to do, because it's not a live usb on a partition), or use dd. |
| 01:54.34 | dvs | booo! |
| 01:54.47 | fraktor | screams |
| 01:54.48 | dvs | fraktor: win32diskimager? |
| 01:54.58 | fraktor | I'm already runningt Linux. |
| 01:55.01 | fraktor | *running |
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| 01:55.07 | dvs | oh, then dd, or cp |
| 01:55.17 | fraktor | wait, cp? |
| 01:55.23 | fraktor | does it do what dd does if you cp a file to a device? |
| 01:55.40 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:55.58 | dvs | just need to sync it afterwards |
| 01:56.07 | fraktor | are there any checks in place to make sure that you don't overwrite the disk you're using? |
| 01:56.17 | dvs | nope |
| 01:56.19 | fraktor | I've never messed up a computer that way, but I know that if there aren't any checks, I will eventually. |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | it trusts you :) |
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| 03:19.09 | tables | how do i check what package a file is from? |
| 03:19.13 | tables | like /sbin/iwconfig |
| 03:20.20 | phy1729 | there's apt-file |
| 03:21.46 | socram | apt-cache search iwconfig works as well in this case, but the former is better. |
| 03:23.14 | peterrooney | tables: if the package is installed, dpkg -S |
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| 03:23.22 | tables | E: Unable to locate package wireless-tools |
| 03:23.30 | tables | is there more sources i need in apt sources? |
| 03:23.37 | tables | cuz i need wireless-tools package, i know it exists |
| 03:23.49 | tables | i used debootstrap and maybe the system isn't "mature" enoguh |
| 03:23.50 | tables | enough* |
| 03:23.51 | peterrooney | tables: that said, apt-file (apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <stuff>) works even for packages not installed |
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| 03:24.04 | tables | peterrooney: ah thx |
| 03:24.07 | some-cowbell | the window manager on my kde keeps dying. How can I restart it (without having to restart all of kde/kdm)? |
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| 03:24.18 | tables | E: Unable to locate package apt-file |
| 03:24.36 | tables | what does my apt sources need to look like? |
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| 03:24.47 | some-cowbell | , v apt-file |
| 03:24.48 | judd | Package: apt-file on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.0; wheezy: 2.5.1; sid: 2.5.2.3; jessie: 2.5.2.3 |
| 03:24.52 | tables | i have debootstrap done using wheezy |
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| 03:24.56 | tables | i am using wheezy |
| 03:24.58 | tables | atleast i think |
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| 03:25.07 | tables | how do i check if i'm using wheezy? |
| 03:25.28 | some-cowbell | try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:25.43 | tables | root@mint:/# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:25.43 | tables | 7.6 |
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| 03:26.06 | tables | i was using debootstrap, maybe i gotta update my sources? |
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| 03:26.25 | some-cowbell | pastebin them |
| 03:26.42 | tables | just : |
| 03:26.45 | tables | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 03:26.47 | tables | only that |
| 03:26.48 | some-cowbell | (gist.github.com is a good one) |
| 03:27.07 | some-cowbell | !wheezy sources |
| 03:27.26 | some-cowbell | !wheezy |
| 03:27.27 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.6>. |
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| 03:28.13 | tables | i need wheezy sources |
| 03:28.19 | some-cowbell | doesn't seem to be direct info there |
| 03:30.04 | some-cowbell | add this line: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 03:30.05 | LtL | !tell tables about wheezy sources.list |
| 03:30.05 | jmcnaught | tables: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList this explains the sources you should have and has a decent example |
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| 03:31.01 | LtL | tables: dpkg should have sent you a proper sources.list in a msg. you may want to add contrib and non-free to each line. |
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| 03:34.33 | some-cowbell | the window manager on my kde keeps dying. How can I restart it (without having to restart all of kde/kdm)? |
| 03:35.05 | some-cowbell | what is the name of that window mgr? |
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| 03:37.52 | some-cowbell | , file bin/kwm |
| 03:37.56 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 03:38.07 | LtL | some-cowbell: kwin |
| 03:38.48 | some-cowbell | so if I were to set a DISPLAY var on the virtual console, I could just start it there |
| 03:39.30 | some-cowbell | thanks, that should work |
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| 04:16.54 | nurupo | does anyone has an idea of when jessie will be frozen? |
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| 04:19.14 | nurupo | might be a silly question since debian doesn't have any defined timeframes for releases, but i'm genuinely curious |
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| 04:23.49 | jmcnaught | nurupo: https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html but then it might take 6-12 months before it is released after that |
| 04:23.56 | Cpuroast | nurupo: ~november |
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| 04:28.22 | themill | nurupo: remember remember the fifth of november, gunpowder treason and plot! |
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| 04:44.06 | jasabella | how do i install java 8? |
| 04:44.11 | jasabella | (using wheezy) |
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| 05:07.46 | jimmt | jasabella, very carefully |
| 05:08.27 | jasabella | why? |
| 05:08.41 | jasabella | make-jpkg doesnt work on 1.8 |
| 05:08.51 | jasabella | so do i use the webupd8 PPA? |
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| 06:15.28 | jelly-home | jasabella: did you try whether java-package 0.53 from wheezy-backports worked with java 8? |
| 06:15.40 | jelly-home | ,v java-package |
| 06:15.41 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; sid/contrib: 0.56 |
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| 07:38.23 | littlebit | hi people, I wanted to know if it is possible, like in network interfaces, to create virtual bluetooth interfaces. I don't know the terminology so excuse my noobieness. It would be a help alone to tell me what those terminologies are so that I have something to google for, but I also greatly appreciate if someone tells me how to do it :) |
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| 07:47.12 | kor | littlebit: i don't see why it shouldn't? |
| 07:47.34 | kor | littlebit: if you use PAN, you should be able to create virtual interfaces for it |
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| 08:07.04 | Drizzt321 | So I have a small app I wrote that I want to get to startup automatically on boot. I put together an init.d script, added it to all of the run levels (at appropriate Sxx and Kxx), and when I invoke it from the service command, it starts up fine. When I reboot, it doesn't. Here's the script http://pastebin.com/vXYm6eRA |
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| 08:09.07 | Iridos | hmm, just wondering (again) if I should use ssh-agent .... manpage says "The idea is that ssh-agent is started in the beginning of an X-session[...]" |
| 08:09.08 | sotisoti_ | what might cause the ssh_host_rsa_key* to be regenerated when updating openssh-server? |
| 08:09.36 | sotisoti_ | they were overwritten during openssh-server upgrade |
| 08:09.43 | Iridos | are there any sample setups how to start it with X so that everything inherits the variables it sets? |
| 08:09.52 | babilen | Drizzt321: Don't set the service symlinks manually, but use "update-rc.d NAME defaults" (read update-rc.d(8)) which relies on proper LSB tags in the init script that you seem to have supplied. |
| 08:10.12 | Drizzt321 | babilen: oh, hadn't realized that existed, thanks |
| 08:10.47 | babilen | The manpage I referenced is pretty good, please read it :) |
| 08:10.57 | babilen | bbl |
| 08:12.05 | Iridos | sotisoti_, that shouldn't happen... if it did, then probably from /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst (well, actually any of openssh-server.{pre,post}{inst,rm}) |
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| 08:13.22 | smartass | hi, I'm looking for an automounting solution, for both usb and network shares ... I used to use autofs, but gvfs seems to do that too ... what would you suggest? |
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| 08:15.20 | Drizzt321 | babilen: bingo! thanks a ton, was driving me nuts! now I can go to bed with one less worry :) |
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| 08:16.15 | smartass | also wondering whether I should use upower or sudo+pm-utils |
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| 08:16.47 | sotisoti_ | Iridos: aha, that file is pretty useful, will try to what's gone wrong |
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| 08:41.32 | sotisoti_ | Iridos, just some findings that my keys were vulnerable |
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| 08:41.37 | sotisoti_ | that's why they were regenerated |
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| 08:44.01 | violeteagle | Hi all, I have a question as I am rather curious, I have heard its not possible to run Cinnamon in Debian Wheezy but thats not the case according to this site - http://computerobz.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/install-cinnamon-or-mate-on-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 08:45.04 | formorer | violeteagle: mate is included in debian backports |
| 08:45.39 | violeteagle | formorer: I am aware of that my interest however is with Cinnamon? |
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| 08:46.40 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: It works when compiled from source , at least. |
| 08:47.05 | formorer | violeteagle: cinnamon is not directly available in an official repo (for wheezy). but your url lists a third party repo |
| 08:47.12 | kill_-9_1 | (also compiled KDE with GLES in place of GL support) |
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| 08:49.32 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1: So if it works does it case bugs with Debian or system crashes? |
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| 08:50.16 | formorer | I know that mate works, but I have no idea about cinnamon |
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| 08:51.44 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: I don't know that repo and I won't trust it, for obvious reasons. |
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| 08:52.34 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1: Would you care to elaborate on this? |
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| 08:54.16 | cynicallemon | violeteagle: im pretty sure linux mint debian is still using the debian testing repos so in effect you are mixing stable with testing and this may result in problems at some point down the road |
| 08:54.16 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: That repo can contain anything, from well working Cinnamon to 'rm -rf /' or 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=2M'. |
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| 08:58.51 | jelly | or "send all files they don't have already to nsa" |
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| 09:04.30 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1, So all in all it would not be recommended, then to avoid the whole Cinnamon install would it be possible to adopt its elegant looking Menu in debian at least? |
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| 09:05.39 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: Not so much. A theme _may_ exist. (formatted in Markdown) |
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| 09:08.42 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1, Is there any current evidence that cinnamon has issues running on Debian or is it just an assumption that it would most likely have problems? |
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| 09:10.20 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: It was not officially packed as a .deb. Of course, you can compile and install it to /usr/local but well,... |
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| 09:17.29 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1, I have just mustered the courage to move of mint to Debian because of its stability and I don't want to ruin that. Its unfortunate that Gnome, LXDE, KDE and XFCE are not appealing to me an I seek to change it, somehow to something similar to Cinnamon or maybe Unity? |
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| 09:19.41 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: Forget about the two especially Unity. Unity , it's Canoncial ( and bad code). |
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| 09:20.04 | babilen | judd: v cinnamon |
| 09:20.05 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.14-3 |
| 09:20.48 | babilen | violeteagle: As you can see ^^^ cinnamon is only available in sid and you can therefore not install it from official Debian repositories on wheezy. |
| 09:21.21 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1: Yeah I realise that. |
| 09:21.55 | violeteagle | babilen: I was just wondering about its stability that's all. |
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| 09:22.04 | Iridos | funny... cinnamon and unity are both things I've never seen in my life... so I have no idea what would be "similar to" them |
| 09:22.12 | babilen | violeteagle: The stability of what (and what do you mean by "stability" ?) |
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| 09:24.04 | violeteagle | babilen: Sorry I meant to be more clear, Debian's renowned stability, that being said I was curious as to how Cinnamon would feature on it. Never the less I have the answer, no need to explain further :D |
| 09:24.43 | babilen | violeteagle: Well I ask because "stable" refers to "not changing" in the context of Debian and nothing else. |
| 09:24.49 | kill_-9_1 | babilen: Is judd x86 only ? |
| 09:24.58 | babilen | It isn't |
| 09:25.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell kill_-9_1 -about judd |
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| 09:26.56 | SynrGy | violeteagle: as for its likely *future* prospects to enter stable, see: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cinnamon |
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| 09:27.30 | SynrGy | a considerable fraction of cinnamon is already in testing. there are just a couple of blockers (or maybe one?) preventing the whole thing from entering. i expect that will be resolved before the release of jessie. |
| 09:27.41 | shoko | Plop ! |
| 09:27.47 | SynrGy | so by jessie's release, you will probably have cinnamon on debian stable. |
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| 09:27.57 | shoko | fr ? |
| 09:28.02 | SynrGy | !fr |
| 09:28.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 09:31.24 | junka | should i use packages from debian unstable or the developers site? |
| 09:32.29 | yanger | junka only if you know what you are doing. |
| 09:32.34 | day | unstable vs. nuclear fusion in progress :D |
| 09:32.42 | day | fission* |
| 09:33.29 | kill_-9_1 | dpkg: It is worth noting that it is not #debian-fr but #debianfr. |
| 09:33.30 | dpkg | kill_-9_1: what are you talking about? |
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| 09:35.49 | ntz | hello |
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| 09:36.34 | ntz | can anybody explain wtf is this: http://fpaste.org/126595/84409821/raw/ ?? |
| 09:37.07 | ntz | is there in debian some inane service -HUPing rsyslog every 24 hours ? why for a love of God ? |
| 09:37.12 | jelly | kill_-9_1: the redirection works just fine, and this way the factoid works for both here and oftc |
| 09:37.19 | formorer | logrotate |
| 09:37.31 | ntz | formorer: o.O thanks |
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| 09:38.03 | ntz | interesting behaviour |
| 09:38.08 | babilen | ntz: And: Relax! It is typically much more productive to just ask in a factual manner than resort to "wtf" and "inane" and so on. |
| 09:38.37 | ntz | okay, you're true babilen |
| 09:39.11 | jelly | ntz: sending SIGHUP has been an idiomatic way to tell a service to reload its configuration and maybe reopen log files for decades |
| 09:39.47 | jelly | ntz: it's SOP, not inane, and not debian-specific |
| 09:40.01 | ntz | jelly: yeah, checking our redhat/solaris hosts too .. nowhere happens daily |
| 09:40.14 | jelly | ntz: it happens daily on RHEL. |
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| 09:40.55 | smartass | is there some way to tell gvfs to mount stuff automatically, possibly when some paths is accessed? |
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| 09:42.18 | jelly | ntz: (consider /etc/cron.daily/logrotate and /etc/logrotate.d/syslog on a RHEL 6 installation) |
| 09:43.40 | violeteagle | So if Debian Supports Mate which distribution should I install before installing Mate (Gnome, KDE, XCFE or LXDE)? |
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| 09:44.12 | SynrG | ,v mate-desktop |
| 09:44.13 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
| 09:44.15 | Dudi | hi guys, I starting do download debian from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/i386/iso-cd/ I want to download clear debian so I guess I have to downaload debian-7.6.0-i385-CD but do I have to download all those CD-1/8 ? |
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| 09:44.25 | SynrG | violeteagle: you don't need any desktop before installing mate |
| 09:44.34 | SynrG | violeteagle: just uncheck the "desktop" option when installing debian |
| 09:44.43 | babilen | violeteagle: All these aren't different distributions but just different desktop environments and you don't have to install *any* during the initial install (deselect "Desktop" task) |
| 09:44.55 | SynrG | !install mate |
| 09:44.55 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on Debian Jessie, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install mate-desktop-environment». Install the mate-desktop-environment-extras package for even more things. The packages are also available for <wheezy-backports>. |
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| 09:45.27 | jkw | !install cinnamon |
| 09:45.39 | jkw | :-( |
| 09:45.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell jkw -about msgthebot |
| 09:45.52 | slbtc | hey guys I'm having a problem trying to mount my external hard drive I created a directory for it but it won't mount |
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| 09:46.06 | SynrG | i misrepresented the state of cinnamon somewhat. while cinnamon looks like it's poised to enter testing soon (after cjs/mojzs FTBFS are sorted, for which there is a patch) ... they still need to get cinnamon-desktop into the archive. i don't know how much longer that will be. |
| 09:46.20 | babilen | slbtc: What did you do, what did you expect to happen and what did happen? Show exact commands and their output on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:46.45 | violeteagle | SynrG, babilen: Mate will work on Wheezy of a Lice CD right? |
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| 09:46.56 | violeteagle | *Live |
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| 09:47.11 | SynrG | violeteagle: i do not know of a live CD prebuilt with mate ... |
| 09:47.12 | sunbeam | Hi, i've got a VPS webserver. This server crashed today and I want to check what happened, how can I best do this? |
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| 09:47.38 | sotisoti_ | sunbeam, web server crashed? |
| 09:47.39 | SynrG | violeteagle: also, live CDs have special considerations for booting to the desktop (autologin, etc.) |
| 09:47.56 | SynrG | violeteagle: generally you cannot cleanly switch from one desktop to another on the same live CD image. |
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| 09:48.11 | babilen | violeteagle: I personally consider mate a huge mistake and a slowly rotting corpse so don't expect any insights from me regarding that |
| 09:48.16 | SynrG | *technically* it could be done, but not something i expect a user could do |
| 09:48.23 | sotisoti_ | sunbeam, might be a good idea to check /var/log/*, apache or whatever service that is related |
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| 09:48.49 | SynrG | violeteagle: i would counsel you wait a bit. stay with mint for now, then later switch to debian when cinnamon enters the archive. or else use XFCE in the interim. |
| 09:48.55 | junka | babilen: lol, what do you recommend? |
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| 09:49.20 | slbtc | nevermind figured it out lol |
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| 09:49.41 | sunbeam | sotisoti_: yes |
| 09:50.27 | violeteagle | babilen, Well it's good to be honest, I do like the slow decaying corpse thou :D |
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| 09:50.46 | babilen | junka: I've been using window managers for a couple of years now (wmii, xmonad, awesome, i3 primarily) and typically use a number of applications from Gnome (e.g. evince, nautilus, ...). If I had to choose a DE I would probably choose either Gnome 3 or XFCE, but I simply cannot stand their lack of keyboard control and the insane way in which they manage two screens. (I want them to be independent) |
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| 09:52.49 | SynrG | violeteagle: i'm of babilen's opinion too. mate is stillborn. |
| 09:53.07 | somiaj | seems everything has to be a DE these days, I prefer WM's myself that give you more control and then taking the time to configure/setup the applications one prefers to use. I would also like to see some programs not be so dependent on a desktop in terms of dependencies. Shoudln't have to install so many gnome libs just to run evice. (: |
| 09:53.19 | SynrG | violeteagle: conceptually it is a fundamentally flawed project. gnome2 is too large for a tiny project to take it on. |
| 09:53.36 | SynrG | violeteagle: you're asking for lots of pain in the future |
| 09:53.53 | junka | violeteagle: lol :D |
| 09:54.29 | violeteagle | SynrG: I would be obliged to listen, I have tried Gnome (Which I feel is stiff), KDE (Very flexible but ridged), LXDE (It's good but I simply don't like it) and as for XFCE well I find it could disagree with me. |
| 09:54.33 | babilen | (and there are *many* legitimate problems with Gnome 2's APIs that were solved in Gnome 3 and just running "s/Gnome/MATE/" on the codebase don't solve those nor do I think that they have the manpower to really maintain those and develop them further) |
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| 09:54.52 | violeteagle | Perhaps I retreat back to Mint for now, the Flees (Bugs) are murder. :D |
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| 09:55.57 | SynrG | violeteagle: yup. as i said, if you like Cinnamon and could tolerate Mint for a while, wait for Debian to get Cinnamon. |
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| 09:56.13 | SynrG | violeteagle: i do think the prospects for Cinnamon in Jessie are pretty good. |
| 09:56.20 | SynrG | based on what i've seen so far. |
| 09:56.35 | babilen | violeteagle: You might also want to consider: 1. Tracking testing/unstable or unstable with cinnamon 2. Using a window manager of your liking and configuring that the way you want it (can't say what is the most appropriate). But then different distributions exist for a reason and luckily you can pick the one that suits your needs. :) |
| 09:57.16 | babilen | (option 1 assumes that cinnamon is actually usable in sid) |
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| 09:57.41 | SynrG | babilen, violeteagle: see my earlier comments about cinnamon-desktop still not available in sid. |
| 09:57.52 | SynrG | what this means is that the cinnamon *core* is in sid/testing already |
| 09:58.09 | SynrG | you'll be missing things like cinnamon-bluetooth, etc. |
| 09:58.18 | SynrG | you *may* not care about the missing bits ... |
| 09:59.00 | SynrG | i'm on the debian-live team. i have considerable interest in making a cinnamon live CD asap. |
| 09:59.18 | SynrG | i will be tracking their progress and seeing if i can put something together |
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| 10:02.29 | violeteagle | SynrG, That would be great, I really need an OS that is "Stable", ( babilen: I mean it the same as earlier ) but with an elegant and usable desktop interface :D |
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| 10:03.47 | violeteagle | Why does KDE not support programs like Rythmbox, empathy and all the other default programs Debian, Mint and Ubuntu all have in common? |
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| 10:04.16 | kill_-9_1 | violeteagle: The best user interface is the terminal. :-) |
| 10:04.42 | somiaj | violeteagle: what do you mean not support them? I would think you could install them just fine, they would just be using gtk instead of qt widgets. |
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| 10:06.04 | violeteagle | kill_-9_1: Glad you find that the "best", I barely know my way around it. Imagine working with it, No! its a bad thought :D |
| 10:06.29 | violeteagle | somiaj: Okay well it supports them but they don't work too well |
| 10:06.53 | violeteagle | I tried |
| 10:06.58 | somiaj | violeteagle: what do you mean by that, being vague won't get you solutions. |
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| 10:08.28 | SynrG | violeteagle: so could you tell us a specific example (on debian) of "doesn't work too well"? |
| 10:08.33 | violeteagle | somiaj: I don't need solutions, I was just questioning as I found I had a bit of trouble getting some of them to play nice with KDE, I cant go into detail because there were a number of things wrong. |
| 10:08.48 | SynrG | violeteagle: is that KDE on mint or KDE on debian? |
| 10:09.38 | SynrG | unfortunately, without details we can't really answer your question. could you mention the *one* thing that irked you most? |
| 10:09.52 | somiaj | the biggest issue I could see is they could look 'ugly' since they would be using default gtk2/3 widgets and not qt widgets so they won't look like the rest of kde, but they should function just fine. |
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| 10:10.09 | SynrG | we eat details for breakfast. |
| 10:10.56 | ntz | jelly: rsyslog HUPing doesn't happen daily in rhel |
| 10:11.00 | ntz | and never did |
| 10:11.05 | violeteagle | SynrG, Debian, talking about mint here will get me kicked, Okay for example with Empathy, it installed but when I went to make an account with it the window remained blank (no buttons) |
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| 10:11.26 | themill | violeteagle: sounds like an empathy bug. There's no reason it shouldn't work in kde. |
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| 10:12.47 | violeteagle | With Rythmbox, it does not want to import music and it causes a number of funny glitches (Does not see devices, some songs don't play and so on) |
| 10:13.29 | themill | none of that is to do with kde |
| 10:13.45 | violeteagle | Just to go of subject here, Conky works on most/all OS - including Mint? |
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| 10:15.08 | violeteagle | themill, There are issues with KDE I am having, ah I will need to check what they are before coming her for help. Some involve general customizing of the interface. |
| 10:15.34 | themill | violeteagle: irc can only help with specific questions. #debian can help you with debian. |
| 10:15.34 | jelly | ntz: /etc/logrotate.d/syslog on my machines with EL5 and EL6 say different. Perhaps your installations are customized. In any case, this is a pretty standard way to tell a daemon to close and reopen log files. |
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| 10:16.32 | ntz | jelly: thanks for reference .. just took over that host in production, investigating what';s set in there .. I did not install it |
| 10:16.39 | SynrG | violeteagle: so you're saying in *mint* empathy had issues on KDE? |
| 10:16.45 | SynrG | violeteagle: just want to make that clear. |
| 10:17.05 | ntz | jelly: so probably you might translate my rant as a question: is debian default to HUP rsyslog daily ? |
| 10:17.18 | SynrG | violeteagle: if you want to retest on debian, get yourself a debian live KDE image and install empathy on it to see if the same issue occurs. |
| 10:18.21 | SynrG | violeteagle: and in general, for each thing you're worried KDE won't address in debian, using a live image of it can help you test it before you make the leap |
| 10:18.34 | violeteagle | SynrG, My questions have nothing to do with Mint its all about KDE here on debian. I tried through the live CD same issue :( |
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| 10:18.40 | SynrG | i see. |
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| 10:18.46 | violeteagle | I made the leap already |
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| 10:18.56 | violeteagle | I need to leap back :D |
| 10:19.23 | sunbeam | [Tue Aug 19 00:11:01 2014] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 10:19.34 | sunbeam | I see this in my webserver log |
| 10:19.39 | sunbeam | How can I find where this is caused by? |
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| 10:23.32 | somiaj | sunbeam: SIGTERM is the default signal sent by kill. Did someone kill the process or an initscript get run to stop the processes sending it a SIGTERM. |
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| 10:25.04 | violeteagle | Does anyone know what port Linux Mint support is on irc.spotchat.org? |
| 10:25.21 | violeteagle | I can't get on from here. |
| 10:25.45 | SynrG | !mint |
| 10:25.45 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 10:25.54 | SynrG | violeteagle: this is the some total of what i know ... |
| 10:25.57 | SynrG | sum* |
| 10:26.02 | sunbeam | somiaj: no |
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| 10:27.11 | SynrG | violeteagle: i've made some preliminary inquiries with the debian-cinnamon team already and am in dialog about readiness for testing/building a live image. short answer: "soon" :) |
| 10:27.53 | somiaj | sunbeam: well some process/program/person sent your webserver a SIGTERM signal which told it to shut down in which is seems it did nicely. I can't tell you what would have sent that signal to the process. |
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| 10:28.08 | SynrG | violeteagle: maybe somewhere on http://spotchat.org/ is the answer to that |
| 10:28.33 | kill_-9_1 | sunbeam: dmesg ? |
| 10:28.38 | violeteagle | SynrG, That's good, when you mean soon, 1 week, 1 month or perhaps 1 year? thanks :D |
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| 10:29.30 | SynrG | violeteagle: 1 month is the closest of those three. but you understand i mean a test image only, not something ready to be released to users |
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| 10:29.39 | SynrG | with no guarantees of success on my first try :) |
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| 10:30.21 | violeteagle | SynrG, I do understand yes, then I will check back in a year :d |
| 10:30.26 | SynrG | however, i'm an optimist. so yes, sometime in the coming weeks, i hope to have something that intrepid testers might actually be able to try |
| 10:30.43 | kill_-9_1 | What is the state of the Poulsbo drivers ? |
| 10:31.04 | SynrG | i could be exceptionally lucky and two weeks hence, i have an image. i could have a horrible time of it and it drags out to months |
| 10:31.14 | SynrG | hard to predict these things |
| 10:31.39 | SynrG | kill_-9_1: poulsbo. oh, my deepest sympathies. |
| 10:31.55 | SynrG | "boat anchor" are the first words that come to mind ... |
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| 10:33.24 | kill_-9_1 | SynrG: My laptop has a year without being started. I just like to see if it is worth the time to start it. |
| 10:33.35 | SynrG | kill_-9_1: i can't give you an accurate status. i have periodically looked at it and gave up hope a long time back that it would ever be resolved. |
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| 10:34.13 | SynrG | i don't have such hardware, but have a bit of a history of people with certain eeepc and acer netbook models with this monstrosity of a chipset ... |
| 10:34.48 | SynrG | there *may* be something you could try. i think other distros actually had an Xorg psb package at one point |
| 10:35.41 | kill_-9_1 | SynrG: I *own* a Pousbo EeePC. All those drivers are too old. Libhybris is awful under X11,... |
| 10:35.55 | SynrG | yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 10:36.09 | violeteagle | SynrG, Thanks again :D |
| 10:36.15 | SynrG | so, by and large people with Poulsbo are unhappy. i've never met a happy one ... |
| 10:36.27 | SynrG | if i ever do, i'll try to remember to get back to you :) |
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| 10:36.57 | SynrG | violeteagle: no prob. good luck. hope to see you on debian eventually :) |
| 10:37.13 | kill_-9_1 | SynrG: Even Windows drivers are unstable. |
| 10:37.57 | SynrG | kill_-9_1: shocking |
| 10:38.08 | kill_-9_1 | (ImgTech does know how to make people happy) |
| 10:38.10 | SynrG | </sarcasm> |
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| 10:38.42 | kill_-9_1 | SynrG: The only working drivers are for Android. |
| 10:39.22 | SynrG | ah. kind of makes sense. it's the only viable platform going forward |
| 10:39.29 | SynrG | (for this class of chipset, i mean) |
| 10:39.47 | SynrG | in all other platforms there are much better alternatives |
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| 10:40.22 | SynrG | i mean, have you heard? the netbook is dead. long live chromebook! (android) |
| 10:40.29 | violeteagle | SynrG, I would have been here already if I could get these ridged desktop environments set to my liking without hidden issues :D |
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| 10:42.20 | SynrG | violeteagle: understood. |
| 10:42.43 | SynrG | kill_-9_1: sure. but i guess we're straying a bit OT? :) |
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| 10:43.00 | kill_-9_1 | SynrG: Grue. |
| 10:43.05 | kill_-9_1 | *true |
| 10:43.33 | kill_-9_1 | Crap grammatical autocorrection. Android ... |
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| 10:47.31 | violeteagle | SynrG, One last try, on Debian Gnome is there no way to change the desktop interface like can be done in Ubuntu on the log in screen? |
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| 10:48.36 | SynrG | violeteagle: i assume you mean 'choose a different desktop (that you have installed on the same system)'? |
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| 10:48.58 | SynrG | violeteagle: if so, then yes. you just enter (click on) your name *first* |
| 10:49.03 | SynrG | then you get to change your session type |
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| 10:49.24 | SynrG | because session type is associated on a per-user basis, you cannot change it beforehanbd |
| 10:49.26 | SynrG | beforehand* |
| 10:49.58 | SynrG | violeteagle: if you meant something else, please explain |
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| 10:51.18 | violeteagle | SynrG, So the the Gnome look with Activities in the top left hand corner can be changed, The descktop interface of a fresh install, the look, are there other options of it other than the Activities in the top left hand corner? |
| 10:51.39 | violeteagle | SynrG, Would it help if I get images? |
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| 10:52.22 | SynrG | violeteagle: the only part i didn't understand was the "on the login screen" part |
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| 10:53.31 | SynrG | violeteagle: i have done extensive customization of the gnome desktop using extensions on wheezy in the past ... however, i'm now on gnome on sid and am happy with the default appearance, so no longer use (many of) those |
| 10:54.32 | SynrG | violeteagle: so yes, to a certain extent the appearance could be changed, even if only by third-party extensions ... however, as for the specific extensions you would need to satisfy your wishes, i can't say. we would have to tackle them on a case by case basis. |
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| 10:56.02 | SynrG | violeteagle: i did customize the appearance of Activities on the left, but couldn't tell you now which extension i used, since i stopped using them as i migrated to better, later revisions of gnome |
| 10:57.19 | violeteagle | SynrG, That what I am after right there extensive customization of the gnome desktop. So when installed it looks like this - http://www.thrivenotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Debian-GNOME-3-scrnsht-Conf-Edit.png |
| 10:57.41 | violeteagle | SynrG, Can it be change to look like this or similar? - http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/debian_desktop.png |
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| 10:58.35 | SynrG | spacefun, wow. long time since i've seen that ... ;) |
| 10:59.09 | SynrG | but yeah, dconf-editor and gnome-tweak-tool can be used together to change a whole bunch of stuff, even without third-party extensions. and i did do some of that. |
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| 10:59.38 | SynrG | show-desktop-icons remains as an option even in current gnome, i think. |
| 10:59.55 | themill | or if you're determined to have something that looks like gnome 2, then look at xfce -- that seems to be a popular choice |
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| 11:00.21 | SynrG | violeteagle: if you want to go this route, best thing is to try it and see. |
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| 11:00.41 | SynrG | violeteagle: then we can try to help with each customization you want, one at a time. |
| 11:01.33 | SynrG | it took me some weeks to arrive at a set of customizations i was more or less happy with with gnome3 on wheezy, but i didn't think it was too horrible when i was done. and in jessie it will be much better. |
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| 11:02.02 | violeteagle | SynrG, Well if I can change that "Activities" look then I can remain here on Debian - If it looks like this then I'm truly happy (http://www.blackmoreops.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/How-to-install-remove-GNOME-Desktop-Environment-on-Kali-Linux-blackMORE-Ops.jpg) |
| 11:02.55 | SynrG | well, making a menu in the panel is something i never did. |
| 11:03.14 | SynrG | and that's something cinnamon is more likely to deliver for you |
| 11:03.49 | violeteagle | SynrG, As Long as it possible to do I am more than happy to try, just to get away from Mint. Save me! :D |
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| 11:04.04 | SynrG | violeteagle: i don't think menus like that are possible without cinnamon |
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| 11:05.06 | junka | violeteagle: why do you want to leave mint? |
| 11:05.30 | SynrG | violeteagle: so, short answer: gnome-shell's look-and-feel can be tweaked in *superficial* ways to satisfy some of the desires of people who liked the way things used to be ... but more fundamental changes that involve abandoning new paradigms (the sidebar, "Overview window", search box) ... |
| 11:05.34 | SynrG | are not possible without cinnamon |
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| 11:06.21 | SynrG | violeteagle: mind you, i think gnome-shell's bold move here away from menus was not a terrible choice. menus simply become too unwieldly when they get huge |
| 11:06.31 | SynrG | violeteagle: that kali screenshot, frankly, looks horrible to me |
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| 11:07.07 | babilen | likewise, but then I'm used to fuzzy searching as implemented in dmenu to start clients |
| 11:07.19 | SynrG | violeteagle: but i recently saw cinnamon in action on my neighbour's Mint system. i think they have a good compromise there, that is more menu-like and therefore familiar, but also is context-aware and therefore adequately addresses the "menus are too huge" issue of the old gnome2 |
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| 11:07.29 | Sevet | hi, can anyone tell me what the sideaffects (if any) of --no-cowdancer-update for cowbuilder are? |
| 11:07.29 | SynrG | this is why i'm excited to try it |
| 11:08.21 | SynrG | (mind you, this first impression was only after literally *minutes* of evaluation ... so i have to do a more thorough evaluation before i can fully endorse it :) |
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| 11:08.55 | violeteagle | junka: I like its looks but it just got so buggy I was spending just about every night fixing them only to come up with others the next day. The same with Ubuntu. |
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| 11:10.05 | violeteagle | SynrG: Cinnamon made good work of that menu "exigent" suits it, anyway I think I will go and install Gnome until cinnamon is available :D |
| 11:10.35 | SynrG | violeteagle: sure. just lower your expectations for a bit :) |
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| 11:10.58 | SynrG | violeteagle: far more important to have a system that "just works" (even if not exactly the way you want it) than to have a daily battle with bugs. |
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| 11:12.07 | babilen | Sevet: You are probably looking for #debian-mentors on OFTC, but then you might want to be more specific about what you are trying to achieve. |
| 11:12.18 | violeteagle | SynrG, My sentiments exactly!, I'm not going back there, it can come to me now :D |
| 11:12.27 | Sevet | thanks |
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| 11:14.17 | violeteagle | SynrG, Thank you for your time and help, its been a good chat :D |
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| 11:18.37 | SynrG | violeteagle: my pleasure |
| 11:18.57 | txomon|fon | while using atop in debian wheezy, I noticed kernel-patch-atopcnt and kernel-patch-atopacct are not updated for 3.2 |
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| 11:20.53 | Pupeno | Does anybody know if FAM can monitor 2.5 million directories? |
| 11:21.00 | txomon|fon | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672884 |
| 11:21.27 | violeteagle | SynrG, Another thing, I know I'm stepping on toes here in Debian but is it possible to install Firefox, I know Iceweasel's the same but I like my habits :D |
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| 11:22.30 | void | hello |
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| 11:23.29 | SynrG | violeteagle: of course, installation of all sorts of third-party software is possible on debian. however, to do it, you're on your own. yes, you can technically accomplish it, but angels will weep. |
| 11:24.01 | void | i've got a disk with 300 free gb .. when i try to compile a program it tells me theres no space thers any way to make it take also the free space ? |
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| 11:24.03 | SynrG | you give up the amazing privilege of getting support here, in exchange for ... what? |
| 11:24.12 | SynrG | ,v iceweasel |
| 11:24.13 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.0-3; sid: 31.0-3; experimental: 32.0~b5-1 |
| 11:24.35 | SynrG | violeteagle: as you can see, wheezy has a not-too-ancient version now |
| 11:24.43 | SynrG | also: |
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| 11:24.44 | SynrG | !mdn |
| 11:24.44 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 11:25.32 | violeteagle | SynrG: The angels wont see, okay fine you convinced me. But I will change the Logo to Firefox - Heheheheheheh |
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| 11:26.03 | SynrG | violeteagle: feel free! debian gives you that freedom |
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| 11:26.49 | violeteagle | SynrG, Okay thanks again, let me begin the install (For the third time) |
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| 11:27.06 | SynrG | yay :) |
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| 11:31.51 | goldkatze | Is it normal debfoster on my Debian Testing installation wants to remove sysvinit? |
| 11:33.45 | goldkatze | Systemd is installed and, according to ps, is in use. So it's seems to make sense…hmm. |
| 11:34.02 | SynrG | read the description |
| 11:34.06 | SynrG | sysvinit is transitional only |
| 11:34.11 | SynrG | (in testing) |
| 11:34.37 | SynrG | it explicitly tells you in the description it's safe to remove if you boot fine now |
| 11:34.55 | SynrG | also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support questions. |
| 11:35.28 | goldkatze | Oh, that's right. Thanks :-) |
| 11:35.28 | SynrG | (and to further clarify, no, sysvinit is not removed in testing; it is just provided by sysvinit-core instead) |
| 11:35.42 | SynrG | wouldn't want to ignite a needless flamefest ;) |
| 11:35.49 | goldkatze | Yes, got it. Should have checked desc :) |
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| 11:47.27 | caracal | help! am having a helluva time getting a dvd mounted! it says it's "already mounted" but it sure isn't :( |
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| 11:48.06 | caracal | how do i diagnose/remedy this situation? |
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| 11:52.20 | caracal | i don't see any wiggle room here ... nothing i can vary to change the reaction |
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| 11:53.04 | caracal | i tried using udisks, to no avail |
| 11:53.23 | Josh_MX | hi. just a quick question if someone knows about |
| 11:53.53 | Josh_MX | is there a way to encode text to this type of string? echo "16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D68736142snlbxq" | dc |
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| 11:56.37 | jelly | Josh_MX: encode from what? |
| 11:57.25 | dontknow | could someone tell me why gnome stuff looks weird on xfce? can i solve this issue installing some package? if so which one? |
| 11:57.51 | Josh_MX | jelly: from a simple text. i mean, the reverse process to obtain the string 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D68736142snlbxq |
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| 11:58.32 | Josh_MX | it not looks like a hash so i have no idea on how to encode it |
| 11:58.40 | dontknow | for example i installed adwaita theme. it is theming transmission, audicaious etc.. but i can't see their writings |
| 11:58.56 | jelly | Josh_MX: it's a program for dc, an old RPN calculator tool |
| 11:59.15 | dontknow | i mean i can't see some letters on those softwares |
| 12:00.02 | dontknow | if i set standard xfce theme i can see letters on them but they don't have theme |
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| 12:02.05 | dontknow | for example with adwaita theme, i can see menu letters and sub menus like "File" "View" etcc in transmission ... but i can't see letters if i enter options sections |
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| 12:02.47 | Josh_MX | jelly: yeah i've tried some rpn calculators in perl but they don't encode text |
| 12:02.47 | dontknow | i am wondering if anyone use xfce with transmission? |
| 12:02.58 | Josh_MX | they just works for math operations |
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| 12:03.00 | jelly | Josh_MX: it's not an encoding. |
| 12:03.14 | Josh_MX | so what's that string? |
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| 12:03.42 | jelly | it's a program in dc language, that displays a particular number in a particular number base, that happens to look like "Bash" |
| 12:04.24 | jelly | reverse-polish notation and terseness of the language makes it look rather obfuscated |
| 12:06.25 | Josh_MX | okay. anyway i can't find anything useful on internet. there are some dc scripts to run but they don't works for text |
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| 12:07.24 | jelly | the code is probably not _created_ with dc. You don't generate C code with C, you write it ;-) |
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| 12:09.06 | Josh_MX | i sitll don't have enough informations :P |
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| 12:25.11 | Slumlord_ | anybody try robolinux in here? |
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| 12:26.05 | abrotman | This is #debian .. perhaps try ##linux |
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| 12:26.21 | Slumlord_ | should be based off of debian |
| 12:26.41 | Slumlord_ | but just trying all kinds of stuff |
| 12:26.51 | abrotman | That doesn't mean it's on-topic here .. |
| 12:26.58 | Slumlord_ | true |
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| 12:28.01 | Slumlord_ | looking into the virtualbox stuff |
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| 12:30.03 | shay_shay | Debian for life! |
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| 12:33.27 | jasabella | i'll need to reomve the key as well i suppose |
| 12:33.32 | jasabella | is it 'bad' to remove files from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ i no longer want to use? |
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| 12:34.43 | babilen | jasabella: Not really, but it really depends on their content and your configuration afterwards. Feel free to paste the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" to http://paste.debian.net if you want help/comments on that. |
| 12:36.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need some help checking to see if my zfs mounts are mounted in a sync script is there a way to do it ? |
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| 12:40.17 | jasabella | i just did apt-key del [keyid], rm the appropriate list file and apt-get update |
| 12:40.20 | jasabella | that's pretty much it? |
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| 12:43.51 | jasabella | i already removed the package associated with the repository :) |
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| 12:44.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm i think 9 got it i will try to mount it in the script |
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| 12:59.01 | theseb | help! Expect question....trying to capture output of command in an expect script but not working...spawn mysqldump -u cs philfour > wow.db ....if I omit the redirection it dumps to screen but i can't dump to file..why? |
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| 13:03.55 | incruiser | Hello |
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| 13:05.57 | ksk_ | theseb: because its not stdout? but what the .. are you trying to do? :) |
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| 13:06.13 | martinus | Hi everyone. :) Could anyone advise me as to how risky it is to install a package from unstable (e.g., weechat) on a stable install? |
| 13:06.17 | theseb | ksk_: simply save a backup of database in a file! |
| 13:06.23 | Nik05 | martinus dont |
| 13:06.34 | Nik05 | !backport |
| 13:06.35 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:06.45 | dracc | Steam on testing:amd64, OSS radeon drivers, openGL direct rendering unavailable, even though mesa-utils:i386->'glxinfo | grep "direct"' gives "direct rendering; yes". Why is that? :( |
| 13:06.46 | ksk_ | theseb: then just use mysqldump? you dont need to redirect stuff using it imho |
| 13:06.46 | theseb | ksk_: i've asked lots of people....if you solve it you'll be the first and only one...expect is hard |
| 13:07.10 | martinus | Ah, I'd read a little about backport but haven't had an opportunity to mess with it. I'll have a look. Many thanks. :) |
| 13:07.11 | ChrisH | theseb: I backup using mysqldump $TONS_OF_OPTIONS > ${OUTFILE_ALL} 2>> ${OUTFILE_ERR} |
| 13:07.12 | ksk_ | and why expect? place the mysql root pw in .my.cnf in /root and be fine |
| 13:07.18 | Nik05 | dracc steam uses old libstdc++ and libgcc libaries check the archlinux pages about steam for the fix |
| 13:07.41 | theseb | ksk_: are you saying mysqldump has a command line switch to specify file to store output in? |
| 13:08.06 | theseb | ksk_: this script logs into remote machine to run the mysqldump command |
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| 13:09.09 | dracc | Nik05, I thought I'd read all of them.. Any links? :/ |
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| 13:09.13 | ChrisH | theseb: man mysqldump check for -r |
| 13:09.22 | Nik05 | dracc https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam#OpenGL_not_using_direct_rendering |
| 13:09.44 | Nik05 | you need to remove the libstdc++ and libgcc from the steam-runtime directories |
| 13:10.24 | dracc | Nik05, I don't even have the .local/share/Steam directory. :( |
| 13:10.38 | Nik05 | no its in .steam somewhere |
| 13:10.41 | theseb | ChrisH: YOU DID IT!!!! |
| 13:10.54 | theseb | ChrisH: thanks!!! good ol' -r......it worked!!! |
| 13:11.02 | theseb | ChrisH: man..i thought i'd never solve this problem :) |
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| 13:11.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can ya help me with zfs list -s mounted? |
| 13:11.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant get it to return the proper exit code.. |
| 13:11.42 | dracc | And 'find ${HOME}/.steam -name "libstd*.so"' gives nothing. Neither does 'find ${HOME}/.steam -name "libgcc*.so"' . :( |
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| 13:16.52 | jordila | dear #debian community . Newbie here... i've just switched to 'Jessie' ... I want to contribute, reporting (potential) issues, could someone just give me a pointer or link (howto)? thanks for your attention |
| 13:17.04 | Nik05 | dracc http://paste.debian.net/116353/ |
| 13:18.09 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: can you elaborate a bit more detailed in proper words the issue. If needed use paste.debian.net to show commands and results |
| 13:18.20 | dracc | Nik05, Thanks, but they're not there, I've already deleted them. :( |
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| 13:18.32 | jordila | :-) |
| 13:18.47 | Nik05 | dracc do you have 32bit mesa etc installed? |
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| 13:20.21 | dracc | Nik05: As far as I know, yes. |
| 13:20.22 | Nik05 | jordila for debian testing and unstable there is #debian-next on OFTC(not freenode) |
| 13:20.28 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell jordila about bug |
| 13:21.30 | jordila | thanks Nik05 , is it a regular chat more focused on testing and unstable... may i understand ? |
| 13:21.32 | dracc | Nik05, http://paste.debian.net/116354/ |
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| 13:22.05 | jordila | ok.. :-) |
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| 13:22.58 | Nik05 | dracc maybe you should ask in #radeon |
| 13:23.09 | dracc | Nik05, Tried it, no success... :( |
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| 13:23.50 | lokiju | hi |
| 13:23.58 | L0aD1nG | jelly: can you give me any help if you are available please? |
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| 13:24.04 | xiqy | L0aD1nG: My guess would be that your network adapter needs a proprietary blob to work. Ubuntu and Fedora both ship these in their kernels, but Debian strips them out and put them in the non-free repository. |
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| 13:24.53 | dontknow | is it ok to download manually themes from https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/themes for ubuntu precise (based on debian wheezy) and install it with dpkg -i? |
| 13:25.05 | tomboy65 | i'm trying to make a device accept communication on multiple ips. if i add those ips via `ip add ...` it works fine. but how do i add that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:25.14 | themill | dontknow: no. And ubuntu precise is not based on debian wheezy. |
| 13:25.15 | L0aD1nG | I don't really think so... plus Ubuntu is based on Debian kernels... I really start to think about the dvd 7.6 iso I burnt |
| 13:25.16 | jelly | L0aD1nG: sorry, busy atm. Ask the channel, there may be anoth volunteer clueful enough |
| 13:25.27 | tomboy65 | gotusaa: please don't spam me! |
| 13:25.36 | L0aD1nG | jelly: okay, thanks for the reply... do your job |
| 13:25.48 | dontknow | themill, it is 12.04 so? and why is it not ok? |
| 13:26.02 | L0aD1nG | xiqy: do you know if we can check this?? |
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| 13:26.23 | dontknow | themill, 12.04 based on wheezy |
| 13:26.29 | L0aD1nG | xiqy: if I fail again I will find the name of the adapter and post it here. |
| 13:26.37 | themill | dontknow: no, 12.04 is not based on wheezy. |
| 13:27.03 | themill | dontknow: and you can't just grab packages designed for some other distro and shove them into a debian machine. |
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| 13:27.50 | dontknow | themill, i know. but they are just themes. could it broke my wheezy by any chance? |
| 13:28.00 | L0aD1nG | xiqy: I also made a manual configuration when it told me to select from which step I will go through after the fail....and it said/seemed to make the detection/configuration correctly. |
| 13:28.01 | dracc | Is steam:i386 or steam-debian the best to use? |
| 13:28.08 | themill | dontknow: I'm running out ways of saying "don't do that" |
| 13:28.50 | dontknow | themill, and i am asking the reason |
| 13:29.19 | mhoney | should system wide aliases go in profile or bash.bashrc? |
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| 13:29.34 | jelly | dontknow: because they will probably not work correctly, and trying to make them work may break your OS |
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| 13:29.58 | dontknow | jelly, even simple themes and icons? |
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| 13:30.11 | jelly | dontknow: that's right |
| 13:30.27 | L0aD1nG | jelly: the whole OS or the GFX installed on it? |
| 13:30.34 | L0aD1nG | GUI* |
| 13:30.45 | dontknow | jelly, what if i download source and build them? |
| 13:30.53 | jelly | L0aD1nG: that depends on how broken the packaging is |
| 13:31.16 | jelly | dontknow: might work a bit better, or not |
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| 13:31.44 | Gatis | I copied Debian Lenny 5 to usb but it won't boot from usb.. |
| 13:31.44 | dontknow | ok i am going to try anyway |
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| 13:32.35 | pupil | Gatis: just regular copy paste to usb?? |
| 13:32.40 | Gatis | no |
| 13:32.41 | Gatis | dd |
| 13:32.45 | lokiju | sorry *Linux icpu4085 3.2.60 |
| 13:32.58 | ctmjr | Lenny id dead. why would try to install it |
| 13:32.59 | Gatis | dd if=<file.iso> of=/dev/sdb |
| 13:33.45 | dontknow | jelly, themill lol i downloaded the adwaita theme it works fine. |
| 13:33.47 | pupil | Gatis: use unetbootin |
| 13:33.59 | dontknow | installed it with dpkg -i |
| 13:34.00 | lokiju | ctmjr me? |
| 13:34.02 | themill | pupil, Gatis: no, don't use unetbootin. |
| 13:34.13 | Gatis | dd has worked always |
| 13:34.16 | themill | dontknow: that's nice. Good luck with that approach. You'll need it. |
| 13:34.23 | Gatis | but just doesn't work with Debian Lenny 5 |
| 13:34.24 | pupil | themill: any problem with unetbootin? |
| 13:34.26 | L0aD1nG | xiqy: This is the name of the ethernet adapter --> Atheros Communications Inc. Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet |
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| 13:34.35 | ctmjr | lokiju: no |
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| 13:34.46 | lokiju | ctmjr :) |
| 13:35.10 | themill | pupil: sure, it changes the installer in ways that frequently lead to difficult to diagnose failures |
| 13:35.11 | xiqy | Hmm. Atheros cards are usually pretty good about providing free drivers for their cards. |
| 13:35.33 | L0aD1nG | why it doesn't detect it automatically on the installation of the 7.6 i386 dvd. I also checked for the "cd-integrity" and told me that "its valid" means no problem with the cd... |
| 13:35.48 | pupil | themill: so, it's an unknown error?? |
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| 13:36.19 | xiqy | L0aD1nG: That card does not require a proprietary blob. The problem is elsewhere. |
| 13:36.22 | dontknow | themill, wow it even works fine with transmission. i had newer adwaita theme and just extracted to /usr/share/themes. it didn't work with transmission. but this ubuntu precise one works fine |
| 13:37.39 | xiqy | L0aD1nG: What is the exact error message that you get? |
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| 13:39.04 | zoidberg- | Hi all, i have setup my hostname as per the documentaton, however when i do something like traceroute, it shows the hostname for my debian server as: unknown-00-0c-41-9d-c7-5c - any idea why its not being referred to by its hostname? |
| 13:39.46 | Guest23202 | is it normal that iceweasel uses 50% of my cpu poweer |
| 13:39.52 | dontknow | my setup has some little issue remain |
| 13:40.00 | dontknow | Guest23202, no |
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| 13:40.31 | themill | pupil: it's a well known error |
| 13:40.44 | dontknow | Guest23202, is it on certain page or always like that? |
| 13:41.42 | dontknow | anyone here successfully created xorg.conf for intel gpu in wheezy? |
| 13:42.00 | dontknow | i am seeking to add "TearFree" option |
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| 13:43.24 | dontknow | i tried to add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf, "TearFree" options doesn't work |
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| 13:44.02 | dontknow | also "Xorg -configure" can't generate xorg.conf |
| 13:44.12 | nullfaith | Guest23202: Until you get it sorted, midori is nice and lightweight if you want to try it. |
| 13:45.15 | dontknow | anyone here can use "TearFree" option with intel integrated gpu on wheezy? |
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| 13:47.44 | dontknow | i take it as "no" |
| 13:48.30 | nullfaith | Not sure, but I can say that if its older intel graphics...they are lacking. |
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| 13:49.35 | dontknow | nullfaith, i have ivy bridge one hd4000 |
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| 13:50.55 | dontknow | if i solve this i am going to achieve "perfect os" |
| 13:51.06 | nullfaith | https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=6270.0 |
| 13:51.08 | nullfaith | might help |
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| 13:51.49 | dontknow | nullfaith, i know. i tried that. i was using parabola (arch based) |
| 13:52.01 | Guest23202 | nullfaith: thx m8 |
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| 13:52.36 | zoidberg- | ffff |
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| 13:53.35 | dontknow | wait a sec i didn't tried uxa acceleration |
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| 13:53.49 | nullfaith | XD |
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| 13:54.24 | nullfaith | Guest23202: You are welcome sir. I like midori but normally use links2 -g for lightweight browser, or just links2. You might like that as well. |
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| 13:55.36 | dontknow | Guest23202, have you tried iceweasel with clean profile? |
| 13:55.48 | dontknow | it may be because of addon? |
| 13:56.30 | dontknow | Guest23202, do you use flash player with it? if so remove it |
| 13:57.10 | Guest23202 | dontknow: mhhh but than i dun have utube vids ^^ |
| 13:57.47 | Guest23202 | it really seems that it could be a malwared website |
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| 13:57.52 | xiqy | All youtube videos work with html5 since a few months back. |
| 13:57.54 | dontknow | Guest23202, videos work fine. it uses html5 by default. you don't need flash |
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| 13:58.01 | Guest23202 | and noscript is trying to prevent executing the code |
| 13:58.07 | nullfaith | Guest23202: I have a sandboxed vm that I use for all internet related stuff that involves video, or things of that nature. |
| 13:58.22 | Guest23202 | nullfaith: that is ofcourse the best solution |
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| 13:59.19 | dontknow | but html5 also uses a lot of cpu power tough |
| 13:59.36 | nullfaith | But honestly I have used iceweasel on squeeze, wheezy, and janice and never had the issue you describe Guest23202. |
| 14:00.22 | xiqy | "janice" |
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| 14:00.39 | OpenTokix | Guest23202: That is a matter of opinion, it is your solution. - But if it's the best solution is debatable. - There is probably several best solutions |
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| 14:03.23 | broels | in apt pinning, is it a better idea to do apt-get install zsh/unstable or apt-get -t unstable install zsh ? |
| 14:03.33 | kill_-9_1 | dontknow: HTML5 720p works fine on a Raspberry Pi. |
| 14:04.17 | dontknow | kill_-9_1, nice. it must be using all of the processor |
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| 14:05.08 | kill_-9_1 | dontknow: 70 percent, bearable. |
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| 14:05.36 | dontknow | kill_-9_1, let me check with my ivy bridge |
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| 14:07.57 | dontknow | kill_-9_1, i can't see 720p option in hd youtube videos right now! |
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| 14:09.00 | dontknow | kill_-9_1, it uses %20-30 with 360p |
| 14:09.10 | dontknow | which is much |
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| 14:09.57 | kill_-9_1 | dontknow: apt-get remove gnash |
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| 14:10.46 | broels | in apt pinning, is it a better idea to do apt-get install zsh/unstable or apt-get -t unstable install zsh ? |
| 14:10.59 | dontknow | kill_-9_1, i use html5 |
| 14:11.07 | broels | also, im assuming the apt/preferences file is something you have to create yourself? |
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| 14:11.29 | dontknow | broels, i don't know |
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| 14:12.15 | kill_-9_1 | dontknow: Flash always overrides HTML5 settings. |
| 14:14.34 | xiqy | broels: You don't need an apt/preferences if all you want to do is install from backports. |
| 14:14.55 | xiqy | And from what I can tell, the two commands are equivalent. |
| 14:14.57 | babilen | broels: It depends on what you want -- Which release are you tracking now? Do you want to install dependencies from that suite too? |
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| 14:19.13 | Ponsjuh | question i'm currently working on a laptop and have "2" working screens (fixed laptop screen and a seperate lcd). I want to connect another screen via usb2dvi or something because my videocart doesn't support more then 2 |
| 14:19.25 | Ponsjuh | does anyone has a working setup? |
| 14:19.30 | f31n | hi, i actually searched google for my problem but maybe have the wrong syntax on my search words ;) my problem is that i connect to a debian machine with allwaysync (its a backupping tool understanding ftp / sftp etc ... ) via sftp i cant do the cd .. command, but when i try to do that on another machine, it's working do you know where to start looking for in the settings to make that run on the one machine too? |
| 14:20.07 | Ponsjuh | or is sub2dvi a no go in linux |
| 14:20.12 | Ponsjuh | *usb2dvi |
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| 14:23.23 | violeteagle | Does anyone know How I can get the hot spot corner in Wheezy Gnome? |
| 14:23.50 | dontknow | violeteagle, do you like gnome? |
| 14:24.55 | violeteagle | dontknow, Well its hard to say depending on if I can get it to do a few things for me, what do you ask? |
| 14:25.03 | broels | babilen: Im tracking stable currently, and that's somewhat what I was wondering. Im not sure which would be a better idea; is there any benefit to installing dependencies from the suite which I'm pinning a package to? (ie. installing testing dependencies along with testing iceweasel when im currently tracking stable) |
| 14:25.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell broels -about ssb |
| 14:25.19 | babilen | broels: You should *never* mix stable with unstable. |
| 14:25.26 | dontknow | violeteagle, i believe you need compiz for that and getting compilz in wheezy would be pain |
| 14:26.23 | dontknow | violeteagle, i remember something reading similar to that |
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| 14:27.30 | broels | so it would be a better idea for me to just dist-upgrade to testing instead of running the testing version of iceweasel? that's really the only package atm I'd like more up to date |
| 14:27.40 | broels | babilen: |
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| 14:28.35 | arcke | broels: have you considered backports? |
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| 14:28.49 | violeteagle | dontknow, Then is there anyway to get compiz working, because I would most certainly try to? |
| 14:29.11 | arcke | i dont know, im just running i3 right now |
| 14:29.30 | yossarianuk | hi - can anyone recommend a server 'watchdog' i.e something that checks a service and restarts if its down (looking for one for mysql + apache) - I normally use Plesk watchdog but this is for a vanilla wheezy server (i.e - it works) |
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| 14:29.59 | broels | arcke: nope, but a google search has me thinking thats more what im looking for. Thanks for the help everyone, ill look into that |
| 14:30.10 | violeteagle | dontknow, Does compiz have a problem running in Wheezy or installing? |
| 14:30.27 | dontknow | void, wait a sec. you asking the stuff that show all windows when getting mouse to corner? if so it must be gnome shell feature. but i don't know how to enable |
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| 14:31.56 | yossarianuk | dontknow: if you mean gnome 3 then its enabled by default as long as your not on fallback mode. |
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| 14:32.35 | dontknow | yossarianuk, i see! so violeteagle must be in fallback mode |
| 14:33.01 | yossarianuk | i believe so - or... he has installed gnome-tweak and moved it... |
| 14:33.32 | yossarianuk | the version of gnome3 that debian stable has is poor.... |
| 14:33.46 | yossarianuk | 3.4 has sooo many issues/bugs fixed in 3.8 + |
| 14:33.57 | dontknow | yossarianuk, gnome3 itself poor :p |
| 14:34.18 | babilen | broels: You can get recent iceweasel packages from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:34.18 | yossarianuk | i.e some fullscreen games are unplayable in 3.4 - many games have a 50% fps reduction unless in fallback mode |
| 14:34.42 | yossarianuk | dontknow: I am a KDE user .. so I agree |
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| 14:34.58 | yossarianuk | dontknow: But most of the bugs are fixed in gnome 3.8/3.10 |
| 14:35.21 | babilen | broels: What you shouldn't do is to mix stable with anything but backports, but tracking testing or unstable is naturally an option. See <jsm> <tum> <wheezy->jessie> <sid faq> and referenced factoids for info -- /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:35.32 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, dontknow; By fallback mode you mean I have set my desktop enviroment to Gnome Classic before I logged in? |
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| 14:36.34 | broels | babilen: thanks a bunch |
| 14:37.29 | dontknow | violeteagle, it must be it. or your card doesn't support 3d acceleration |
| 14:37.33 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: either that or potentially your h/w doesn't support 3d |
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| 14:38.07 | yossarianuk | this is why kde is better - even if you don't have 3d you still get all the features....... |
| 14:38.21 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, dontknow; My hardware is more than capable, I have installed graphic drivers |
| 14:38.46 | babilen | broels: Have fun! Please note that testing and unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you choose to go that route rather than the http://mozilla.debian.net one |
| 14:39.14 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: what h/w are you using ? |
| 14:39.30 | iateadonut | i've got dnsmasq set to take me to domain.dev; i can ping it and it returns the ip address no problem, but when I try to use the web browser at the public library i'm in, it gives me an error message. |
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| 14:40.36 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: what happens if you type (as a normal user) in a gnome session |
| 14:40.42 | yossarianuk | glxinfo |grep -i opengl |
| 14:40.52 | Walex | iateadonut: thanks for letting us know, even if it is hard to understand |
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| 14:42.08 | abrotman | compiz has long been abandoned |
| 14:42.16 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, One moment, but its not hardware. |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | violeteagle: what is the video card you have? 'lspci -nn | grep -i VGA" |
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| 14:43.36 | violeteagle | abrotman, It an Nvidia Geforce 240 GT |
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| 14:43.54 | abrotman | violeteagle: what is your kernel? 'uname -r" |
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| 14:44.40 | Ponsjuh | is libdlo in the stable repos? |
| 14:44.51 | abrotman | Ponsjuh: packages.debian.org |
| 14:45.11 | violeteagle | abrotman, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 14:45.45 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, Where can I pase the info you gave me? |
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| 14:46.20 | abrotman | violeteagle: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:48.45 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/116377/ |
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| 14:49.46 | abrotman | violeteagle: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:49.56 | sobfoo | Hello. I have redis-server installed from the debian repository. The thing that I wanted to accomplish was to write 2 extra init.d scripts for my 2 extra redis instances. Works fine on start but it hangs on stop. Pid path and files (and proc id) also seems correct but I can't find a way to debug it. Any ideas? |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | but that implies nvidia is your opengl |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | sobfoo: put a 'set -x' at teh top of the script, try to run it |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | (after the shebang) |
| 14:50.39 | sobfoo | I just changed the DAEMON_ARGS and the PIDFILE vars |
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| 14:50.46 | sobfoo | abrotman: will do |
| 14:50.46 | Ponsjuh | Someone experience with a DL-195 (displayLink) and debian 7 |
| 14:52.04 | sobfoo | abrotman: Stopping redis-server: ++ start-stop-daemon --stop --retry forever/TERM/1 --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/redis/nl_cache.pid --exec /usr/bin/redis-server. It hangs here, but it's not the forver argument, this is taken from teh original init.d script which runs fine |
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| 14:52.31 | abrotman | so maybe it has to do with the ARGS? |
| 14:52.39 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: well looks like opengl is fine - I take it you can also run nvidia-settings? |
| 14:52.53 | sobfoo | abrotman: all args are correct |
| 14:53.14 | yossarianuk | also |
| 14:53.18 | sobfoo | again, this is the original script with my variables on it (which are correct) |
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| 14:53.23 | yossarianuk | > hi - can anyone recommend a server 'watchdog' i.e something that checks a service and restarts if its down (looking for one for mysql + apache) - I normally use Plesk watchdog but this is for a vanilla wheezy server (i.e - it actually works - unlike pleslk) |
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| 14:54.50 | abrotman | yossarianuk: there's a watchdog package |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | judd: info watchdog --release wheezy |
| 14:54.58 | judd | Package watchdog (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: system health checker and software/hardware watchdog handler. Version: 5.12-1; Size: 81.8k; Installed: 212k; Homepage: http://watchdog.sourceforge.net |
| 14:55.01 | abrotman | like that? |
| 14:55.12 | sobfoo | process id is also correct at /var/run\ |
| 14:55.37 | jelly | yossarianuk: monit |
| 14:55.41 | abrotman | or that :) |
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| 14:56.19 | jelly | because I'm not evil enough to suggest daemontools or its cousin runit to random people |
| 14:57.13 | abrotman | Maybe next time you level up, you'll apply those points to Evil |
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| 14:57.29 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, Back ports yes I did with Nvidia - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:57.34 | ksk_ | yossarianuk: monit. but i cannot really recommend it :D |
| 14:59.31 | jelly | it's a hack and it works well enough |
| 14:59.43 | jelly | and we don't have systemd yet |
| 15:00.08 | violeteagle | abrotman: "glxinfo |grep -i direct" - "direct rendering: Yes" - " GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access, " |
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| 15:02.13 | abrotman | violeteagle: everything seems good AFAICT |
| 15:02.49 | Ponsjuh | i;m done with it.. DL-195 goes out of the window |
| 15:03.12 | yossarianuk | thanks |
| 15:03.17 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, abrotman: So then do I install Compiz to get the hot spot corner? I am not using the gnome as it is after a fresh install, I set it to Classic Gnome in the log in screen. |
| 15:03.35 | abrotman | okay .. probably using Compiz is a bad start .. it's been abandoned |
| 15:03.56 | sobfoo | abrotman: it's retrying forever to kill the pid, it has the correct path and correct id |
| 15:03.56 | violeteagle | Suggestions then? :D |
| 15:03.59 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: it should be there in normal mode.... |
| 15:04.19 | yossarianuk | one tes - add a new user and login with that (in normal mode - not classic) |
| 15:04.24 | yossarianuk | *test* |
| 15:04.28 | violeteagle | yossarianuk, Yeah it was but I am not in default mode |
| 15:04.33 | jelly | abrotman: doesn't unity use it? |
| 15:04.36 | sobfoo | for example: Stopped /usr/bin/redis-server (pid 21318), retry #43. |
| 15:05.26 | abrotman | jelly: I thought it stopped using it also |
| 15:06.41 | jelly | could be |
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| 15:07.00 | abrotman | jelly: seems so .. wikipedia page states as such .. doesn't mean it's not abandoned :) |
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| 15:07.49 | dontknow | violeteagle, forget compiz. i thought it was compiz feature but i remembered it was actually gnome3 feature. so that's why i mentioned comiz |
| 15:08.08 | jelly | wikipedia's not exactly a reliable sauce |
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| 15:08.59 | centrx | compiz is dead except in Ubuntu, that was my take-away |
| 15:09.16 | dontknow | wheezy repos have compiz anyway? if so it must be in non free repos |
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| 15:09.38 | violeteagle | dontknow: Forgotten, Are there Gnome extentions I can install then, gnome tweak is already installed and it does not give me the option. |
| 15:10.12 | dontknow | violeteagle, i can't help about gnome3, sorry |
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| 15:11.14 | violeteagle | dontknow, Sure thanks then :D |
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| 15:12.27 | dontknow | violeteagle, but you can check if it works with live cd by default |
| 15:12.42 | dontknow | it would use free nvidia driver |
| 15:13.15 | violeteagle | dontknow: Check if what works by default, the hot spot corner? |
| 15:13.23 | dontknow | violeteagle, sure |
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| 15:15.36 | dontknow | it is interesting that no one answer if it is enabled by default or not for sure. since gnome3 is being used by "majority" ;) |
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| 15:16.02 | violeteagle | dontknow, After a fresh install it worked, it still works. How ever it does not work when I set the mod in the log on screen to Gnome Classic |
| 15:16.22 | dontknow | xD |
| 15:16.43 | dontknow | violeteagle, because it doesn't use 3d acceleration in that mode |
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| 15:18.12 | violeteagle | dontknow, Ah okay then, is it then possible to make it use 3D acceleration in that mode? |
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| 15:18.28 | dontknow | violeteagle, i don't think so |
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| 15:19.11 | dontknow | but you may try to make it look like fallback mode when using 3d accel |
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| 15:19.45 | dontknow | by theming and modifying |
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| 15:22.14 | halt2 | Hi All I try to install the puppet external repo key, for the latest package, but can't find the details of the key, how can I found out this short of stuff? |
| 15:23.14 | halt2 | the error message, when I do apt-get update is look like that |
| 15:23.17 | halt2 | W: GPG error: http://apt.puppetlabs.com squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 1054B7A24BD6EC30 |
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| 15:23.26 | violeteagle | dontknow, Keep talking I'm listening, How can I make the default look like fallback mod then? |
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| 15:23.35 | Rad-X | hi |
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| 15:24.19 | halt2 | I tried to add it with apt-key adv but do not know the keyserver and the key, or at least I do not know that i know |
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| 15:24.32 | Rad-X | I have a problem with a server here. It is using debian and nobody never used anything beside the DVD and the official repositories. |
| 15:24.41 | dontknow | violeteagle, by installing extensions maybe? i dunno |
| 15:25.01 | Rad-X | There is a rogram called pojie, and I could not find any info on it. |
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| 15:25.20 | Rad-X | What does /usr/bin/pojie does? |
| 15:25.37 | Rad-X | It was meant to be there or it is something I should worry about? |
| 15:25.39 | halt2 | Rad-X: apt-cache policy ? dpkg -L ? file /usr/bin/pojie ? |
| 15:26.03 | Rad-X | halt2, try for yourself, returns nothing here |
| 15:27.03 | halt2 | Rad-X: I do not have that package installed, ( if it's a package but it whould be nice how you find that file ) |
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| 15:27.23 | violeteagle | dontknow, Okay then I will have to tinker :D |
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| 15:28.16 | Rad-X | I never sintalled any package called pojie, I am sure of it. I am trying to find if some package has this dependency but I failed to find anything about this |
| 15:29.03 | dontknow | violeteagle, good luck |
| 15:29.06 | Rad-X | This machine has jsut plain debian and a apache server without conection with the outsideworld (at least it is not used for it and there is no open port on the router for the server. |
| 15:29.37 | Rad-X | It is just a apache server I use to store textfiles from a seismograph. |
| 15:29.42 | violeteagle | dontknow, Thanks I will need it :D |
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| 15:31.28 | jhutchins | Red_M: Only pojie I can find is a tennis equipment company. |
| 15:31.37 | Rad-X | Me too |
| 15:31.45 | jhutchins | Red_M: what does file /usr/bin/pojie return? |
| 15:31.46 | halt2 | Rad-X: how did you find this file ? is that a package ? you still did not answered this two main quiestion, we may can help if you give enoght info |
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| 15:32.03 | Rad-X | I jsut ran ps -e |
| 15:32.06 | Rad-X | and tadaaa |
| 15:32.09 | Rad-X | pojie there |
| 15:32.18 | Rad-X | I killed it and looked for it |
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| 15:32.39 | halt2 | and what's the file command give you back, what's that file ? |
| 15:32.41 | Rad-X | I found the program in /usr/bin |
| 15:32.56 | jhutchins | Red_M: rpm -qf /usr/bin/pojie will tell you if it came from a package. |
| 15:33.15 | Rad-X | /usr/bin/pojie: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped |
| 15:33.29 | halt2 | jhutchins: rpm ? dpkg -L you meant ? |
| 15:33.49 | halt2 | or S ... not sure |
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| 15:33.59 | jhutchins | halt2: Sorry, working on a RH system. dpkg -S /usr/bin/pojie |
| 15:34.13 | jhutchins | Red_M: dpkg -S /usr/bin/pojie |
| 15:35.31 | Rad-X | returns error |
| 15:35.33 | Rad-X | not found |
| 15:35.44 | Rad-X | I already tried it |
| 15:35.52 | Rad-X | It is not in the repositories |
| 15:35.58 | Rad-X | unless some program created it |
| 15:36.03 | Rad-X | but I do not think |
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| 15:36.47 | qman__ | Rad-X: nope, if its not in a package and you didn't put it there, someone else did |
| 15:36.47 | jhutchins | Red_M: string /usr/bin/pojie - assuming that file told you it was an executable binary (which presence in ps e suggests). |
| 15:37.04 | Theothervioletea | Hi all |
| 15:37.22 | Rad-X | qman__ I am the only user here. It does not have internet acess and is just accessed by me |
| 15:37.42 | Rad-X | Well it have internet access but not THAT internet access. |
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| 15:37.54 | Rad-X | So it is something bad.. very bad at all |
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| 15:38.53 | Rad-X | How can someone place something in there? |
| 15:38.55 | qman__ | Rad-X: no legitimate software creates random executables and puts them in /usr/bin |
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| 15:39.31 | littlebit | hi people, I have on my machine 2 usb bluetooth dongles, and I would like to run bluetooth service only on 1 of the 2 hciX interfaces. how can I do that |
| 15:39.58 | Rad-X | qman__ I installed debian from DVD, used apache from the DVD the only thing I gor from somewhere else was gnuplot that was isntalled from the repositories. |
| 15:40.04 | Walex | littlebit: you configure that service accordingly... |
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| 15:41.24 | littlebit | Walex: i have looked in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and there was nothing concrete in the comments that I could write that into the configuration |
| 15:41.27 | Rad-X | There is nothing of real importance there. Just seismograph plots so I can format it and reinstall. My doubt is. How can I be sure it is a treat and that it will not happen again? |
| 15:41.41 | dontknow | littlebit, i didn't get exactly what you say but you can list and kill one of them with "rfkill kill bluetooth" |
| 15:41.45 | Walex | littlebit: that's not the cvonfig file for the service. |
| 15:41.58 | littlebit | Walex: ok |
| 15:42.12 | Walex | littlebit: you have to find the config file of the server that runs the service |
| 15:42.51 | littlebit | what I want is to run sixad on one bluetooth dungle and on the second one I would like to run the regular bluetoothd service |
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| 15:43.54 | yossarianuk | violeteagle: if you want normal gnome to look like fallback - download gnome-tweak-tool |
| 15:43.55 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.19 | yossarianuk | violeteaglehttps://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/gnome-tweak-tool |
| 15:44.28 | Rad-X | peterrooney, I found something about this few time ago. |
| 15:44.39 | Rad-X | Nasty stuff. |
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| 15:45.22 | jhutchins | Red_M: Sorry, the command is strings /usr/bin/pojie - it will give you any text from the binary. |
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| 15:46.49 | Rad-X | I definitivelythink it is what peterrooney said. |
| 15:47.06 | Rad-X | jhutchins, Nothing readable |
| 15:47.29 | Rad-X | Just weid text I rolled the entire lsit no word in english or nothing |
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| 15:48.10 | Rad-X | the only thing was : |
| 15:48.11 | Rad-X | LC_COLLATE3TYP/ |
| 15:48.11 | Rad-X | MONETARY5NUMERIC |
| 15:48.23 | dontknow | Rad-X, have you checked the checksum of the iso image? |
| 15:48.32 | Rad-X | yes, I aways do |
| 15:48.41 | dontknow | :S |
| 15:48.54 | Rad-X | To avoid corruption. |
| 15:50.09 | jhutchins | Red_M: Need to double-check what access this server allows. If it allows ssh from outside you need to secure that better. |
| 15:50.11 | dontknow | Rad-X, if it is that serious then i believe you should contact with some debian security devs |
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| 15:50.49 | Rad-X | I still have the DVD iso here |
| 15:51.02 | gregor2 | how can i config the stockfish chess engine on xboard? |
| 15:51.12 | Rad-X | I am doing a grep on it trying to find any simialr process. |
| 15:51.15 | Rad-X | program* |
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| 15:52.47 | Rad-X | jhutchins, ssh is the only way it can be inserted there? |
| 15:54.12 | Rad-X | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/126828/strange-processes-pro-and-proh-and-slow-internet |
| 15:54.22 | Rad-X | I found some otherss like this |
| 15:54.31 | Rad-X | A lot of them in Debian 7 |
| 15:54.35 | Rad-X | Whezzy |
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| 16:01.02 | surf | hi guys I am running experimental and yesterday after an upgrade I can't login anymore. I need to login from terminal then startx. From logs of gdm3 I get that "Could not get session id for session. Check that logind is properly installed and pam_systemd is getting used at login" |
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| 16:01.58 | centrx | surf, You can't run experimental. If you, you should expect your system to break. |
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| 16:03.15 | surf | centrx, sure. what was the channel for non stable versions? |
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| 16:21.16 | Rad-X | well according with this: https://github.com/ValdikSS/billgates-botnet-tracker and with some investigation. Yes my little machine was infected with this damn thing. |
| 16:21.31 | Rad-X | I would love to know how it happened. |
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| 16:22.22 | Rad-X | Any operator here? |
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| 16:24.11 | smartass | Rad-X: most likely your root passwd was too week |
| 16:24.47 | Rad-X | It was ROO3434GHJ500 |
| 16:25.31 | Rad-X | What should be a good root password? |
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| 16:25.40 | smartass | Rad-X: that is not the weakest one indeed |
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| 16:26.01 | smartass | Rad-X: but anything that resebmbles root is not good |
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| 16:26.09 | Rad-X | I had to write it on a paper to remember. hahaha |
| 16:26.26 | smartass | Rad-X: perhaps some of your users with sudo access had a weak passwd |
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| 16:26.37 | Rad-X | this could be possible |
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| 16:26.45 | Rad-X | I am the only user |
| 16:26.56 | Rad-X | but sudo asks for the root password not? |
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| 16:27.34 | centrx | Rad-X, sudo asks for the user's password, that's the whole point of sudo |
| 16:27.47 | smartass | Rad-X: depends on the configuration, usually it is set up to use the user's |
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| 16:28.34 | Rad-X | Nice.. |
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| 16:28.54 | Rad-X | Now I will need to format this thing and change the password of the other machine |
| 16:29.22 | smartass | Rad-X: the thing is that you souldn't be using passwords for ssh login |
| 16:30.51 | smartass | Rad-X: a reasonabley safe openssh setup is fail2ban + PermitRootLogin no + PasswordAuthentication no ... an ondly key based auth allowed |
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| 16:31.16 | Rad-X | keybased is a bit hard to use |
| 16:31.26 | Rad-X | I need to keep the cert |
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| 16:31.43 | Rad-X | remembering a character sequence is easier |
| 16:31.57 | smartass | Rad-X: so? just back it up like any important document |
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| 16:32.19 | Rad-X | This have just one problem |
| 16:32.21 | dontknow | maybe it is part of bios? |
| 16:32.50 | Rad-X | I have another server running slackware. This one uses SSH a lot. |
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| 16:33.04 | Rad-X | It is clean as far as I dug on it. |
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| 16:33.32 | Rad-X | This ill Debian machine was not meant to be accessed by ssh |
| 16:33.34 | smartass | Rad-X: you can specify different keys for different servers in .ssh/config if that's what's bothering you |
| 16:34.08 | dontknow | Rad-X, burn your computer :p |
| 16:34.24 | Rad-X | I installed it, used it for some days while configuring the seismometer and apache, but this machine was not allowed in therouter to access anything outside port 22 was blocked. |
| 16:35.03 | Rad-X | No, What bothers me is the fact I will need to change the policy on the slackware machine to use a key and I will need to send this key to another user |
| 16:35.19 | Rad-X | he will not be reachable phisicaly till next month |
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| 16:35.33 | Rad-X | I fear ever sending the key by mail to him. |
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| 16:37.00 | smartass | Rad-X: it might be easier if he generates his own key and sends you his public key |
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| 16:37.22 | smartass | Rad-X: then you add his public key to the known_hosts in his home folder on teh server |
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| 16:39.26 | dontknow | does it only infect debian? |
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| 16:39.42 | Rad-X | It is what I am wishing to know |
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| 16:39.50 | Rad-X | thank you smartass |
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| 16:40.56 | emotions403 | I need help in finding the right CMS/web software to suit my needs. Where should I go to ask/discuss this? Or what should I search for, or any help at all on how to get to an appropriate forum would be appreciated. (Sorry for the OT) |
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| 16:42.15 | nkuttler | emotions403: there is ##web |
| 16:42.16 | emotions403 | (I could also ask here, but I'm trying to keep OT to a minimum) |
| 16:42.24 | emotions403 | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 16:42.38 | nkuttler | emotions403: it's #web, actually |
| 16:42.55 | nkuttler | emotions403: for generic questions about the network, you can also ask in #freenode |
| 16:43.11 | nkuttler | !ops gotusaa pm spam |
| 16:43.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: gotusaa pm spam |
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| 16:43.54 | nkuttler | thanks |
| 16:43.55 | emotions403 | nkuttler: thanks alot :) you're right, I should've asked on #freenode. |
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| 16:46.37 | Pymous | Hello ! i'm trying to totally remove GitLab, but "runsv SERVER" (where SERVER is either nginx, or unicorn) keep launching |
| 16:46.41 | Rad-X | dontknow I jsut found debian users complaining about this botnet |
| 16:46.42 | Pymous | How can I remove that ? |
| 16:47.27 | nkuttler | Pymous: well, start by removing nginx and gunicorn? |
| 16:47.34 | nkuttler | Pymous: or try an apt-get autoremove |
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| 16:48.08 | Pymous | nkuttler > find / -name "unicorn" doesn't find anything |
| 16:48.17 | nkuttler | yeah, it's gunicorn |
| 16:48.20 | rgr | emotions403: why would you ask on #freenode about CMS? |
| 16:48.21 | dontknow | Rad-X, maybe it is effecting debian because it doesn't use hardening build flags like ubuntu |
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| 16:48.23 | Pymous | and GitLab is installed with a .deb, not apt |
| 16:48.29 | Rad-X | the try find |grep - unicor Pymous |
| 16:48.37 | Rad-X | the try find |grep -i unicor Pymous |
| 16:48.42 | nkuttler | Pymous: same thing |
| 16:48.49 | nkuttler | Pymous: which gunicorn |
| 16:48.55 | Pymous | Rad-X > Grep on what ? |
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| 16:49.02 | Pymous | I don't have g/unicorn installed at all |
| 16:49.11 | nkuttler | Pymous: so how can it start? |
| 16:49.24 | Rad-X | # find / |grep -i unicorn |
| 16:49.30 | jhutchins | Red_M: I've missed some of the conversation, but ssh on 22 is a known vulnerability. |
| 16:49.31 | Pymous | nkuttler > I don't know, that's the point it's not launching, it's trying to launch |
| 16:49.32 | nkuttler | Rad-X: there really are better ways |
| 16:49.39 | nkuttler | Pymous: oh |
| 16:49.50 | Pymous | nkuttler > It's instance of runsv unicorn |
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| 16:50.01 | jhutchins | Red_M: Very strongly recommend you change ports. |
| 16:50.08 | Rad-X | better than using find -name that usually does not return what I want |
| 16:50.20 | break19 | Rad-X: -iname |
| 16:50.32 | Rad-X | adding SSH port change to the TODO list |
| 16:50.53 | nkuttler | Pymous: output of dpkg -S `which runs` |
| 16:51.00 | jhutchins | Red_M: Put the obfuscated port in .ssh/config so you don't have to remember it. |
| 16:51.13 | nkuttler | er |
| 16:51.15 | nkuttler | Pymous: output of dpkg -S `which runsv` |
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| 16:51.44 | Pymous | nkuttler > --search need a pattern |
| 16:51.48 | Rad-X | jhutchins, and how I will be able to open a port in the router for that? |
| 16:52.08 | nkuttler | Pymous: so you have no runsv command? that's what you said |
| 16:52.14 | break19 | same way you did for port 22 :p |
| 16:52.23 | Rad-X | dpkg --get-selections |grep unicorn ? |
| 16:52.25 | dpkg | selects rad-x's family photos collection |
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| 16:52.38 | Pymous | nkuttler > I have this in my htop : 670 root 20 0 3956 408 336 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.87 runsv unicorn |
| 16:52.44 | jhutchins | Red_M: Should be able to open an arbitrary port, if not use something that's not running like NFS. |
| 16:53.05 | Pymous | Rad-X > Nothing |
| 16:53.28 | nkuttler | Pymous: ps auxw | grep runsv |
| 16:53.34 | nkuttler | Pymous: use paste.debian.net |
| 16:53.35 | Rad-X | dpkg --get-selections |grep anythingthatmakessensetoremovewithapt-get ? |
| 16:53.36 | dpkg | selects rad-x's family photos collection |
| 16:53.46 | Rad-X | dpkg --help |
| 16:53.46 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
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| 16:54.16 | Pymous | nkuttler > http://paste.debian.net/116403/ |
| 16:54.32 | Rad-X | dpkg -i porn |
| 16:54.32 | dpkg | installs porn into rad-x's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 16:54.38 | Rad-X | lol |
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| 16:55.05 | Rad-X | dpkg -r porn |
| 16:55.06 | dpkg | removes porn along with a pound of flesh from rad-x's body, then staples rad-x back up with a staple gun. |
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| 16:56.15 | nkuttler | Pymous: ok, looks like runsv is part of the runit package, i'm not familiar with that, but you like want to delete the scripts it left for your gitlab stuff. you could also reinstall gitlab, and then remove it properly with --purge which should clean this up as well |
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| 16:56.38 | Pymous | nkuttler > dpkg --purge gitlab ? |
| 16:56.42 | smartass | Rad-X: btw, even if you change the port, it's good to install fail2ban anyways ... once a sniffer finds the port, fail2ban will slow them down |
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| 16:57.05 | smartass | Rad-X: you could also use port knocking to hide that port effectively, but that might be overkill |
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| 16:57.12 | Rad-X | I am reading the fail2ban doc right now |
| 16:57.17 | nkuttler | Pymous: no idea how you installed gitlab. if it was just the gitlab package, yeah |
| 16:57.28 | Pymous | nkuttler > It was a .deb |
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| 16:57.32 | Rad-X | I thougt ssh already came with this working. |
| 16:57.50 | nkuttler | Pymous: yeah, then purge that, with dpkg or apt-get or aptitude. it needs to be installed though to do this |
| 16:58.14 | Pymous | I will reinstall the deb |
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| 16:58.18 | nkuttler | Rad-X: fail2ban is configured to block on failed ssh auths by default, yes |
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| 16:58.48 | Rad-X | no, I thought ssh per se had something to block access on auth fail. |
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| 16:58.55 | Rad-X | this is what I meant. |
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| 16:59.27 | nkuttler | Rad-X: i don't think so, no |
| 16:59.28 | smartass | Rad-X: it does have a max attempt, but it doesn't block the user completely |
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| 17:00.09 | smartass | Rad-X: after the ssh session fails x times to authenticate, the server terminates teh connection ... but the attacjer can start a new attempt right after that |
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| 17:00.54 | smartass | Rad-X: enter fal2ban: after x bad attempt blocks the IP for a few minutes, which significantly slows down the attack |
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| 17:01.28 | smartass | Rad-X: it could even be hours or days if you trust your users are competent |
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| 17:02.00 | Rad-X | setting it to 1 attempt and bandforever |
| 17:02.03 | Rad-X | ahahaha |
| 17:02.23 | nkuttler | Rad-X: that's rather pointless. a few hours/days is enough |
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| 17:02.33 | Rad-X | - I had a rpoblem in the auth process |
| 17:02.36 | Rad-X | - Oh really? |
| 17:02.45 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 17:02.50 | Rad-X | nkuttler I was joking |
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| 17:05.42 | Pymous | nkuttler > Still have stuff with the purge :( |
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| 17:07.49 | zort | Hi, is there any way I can figure out what font the three slimmer characters here are being displayed in?: http://postimg.org/image/pe7nxgqgv/ |
| 17:07.56 | L0aD1nG | some help here people I just insatlled : nvidia-kernel-dkms package and even gdm3 crashed after reboot any ideas how to solve it :S I am on tty1 atm :D |
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| 17:08.36 | L0aD1nG | someone? |
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| 17:11.00 | smartass | L0aD1nG: try booting with fallback boot entry |
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| 17:12.51 | annoying | Is this apt pinning good? http://paste.debian.net/116265/ How do I install from dmo with this? |
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| 17:14.09 | smartass | annoying: if you mix with packages intended for stable, it usually work pretty well |
| 17:14.33 | annoying | smartass: How do I specify I want to install something from dmo? |
| 17:14.52 | annoying | aptitude -t www.deb-multimedia.org acroread ? |
| 17:14.53 | smartass | annoying: apt-get -t <repo name> install <package> |
| 17:15.02 | annoying | aptitude -t www.deb-multimedia.org install acroread ? |
| 17:15.15 | smartass | possibly, never used it with the www part |
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| 17:16.36 | annoying | well, with 'deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main' I'd say -t wheezy-backports. But with 'deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free' I have two 'wheezy' in my sources.list. |
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| 17:16.58 | SynrG | That argument takes only the release name |
| 17:17.25 | jelly-home | annoying: dmo web has instructions on how to install stuff explicitely, don't they? |
| 17:17.33 | annoying | SynrGy: Which is wheezy, right? So how does it know I want to install from dmo, if there are two wheezy? |
| 17:17.34 | mtn | annoying: or just use synaptic |
| 17:17.49 | SynrG | acroread is not in wheezy. Target release not needed |
| 17:17.52 | annoying | jelly-home: I'll have a look. |
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| 17:19.01 | SynrG | And for stuff in wheezy, you want to only use the wheezy versions anyway. |
| 17:19.01 | annoying | SynrG: It's in 'deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free' See the wheezy there? |
| 17:19.12 | SynrG | Sigh |
| 17:19.20 | SynrG | Not in wheezy proper |
| 17:19.31 | annoying | Yeah, but they are both called wheezy. |
| 17:19.35 | SynrG | i.e. leave off target |
| 17:19.41 | SynrG | It will work |
| 17:20.02 | annoying | Ok, because it's not in debians wheezy. |
| 17:20.44 | SynrG | It will work because acroread is uniqu to dmo |
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| 17:20.58 | L0aD1nG | I uninstalle nvidia-kernel-dkms and now gdm3 opens but stacks so hard that i can't even Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
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| 17:21.07 | SynrG | Otherwise you can say package=version |
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| 17:21.17 | jonno11 | Hi all, I've been using linux for years but only just ran into this issue. I'm trying to understand how apt repositories work. If I have this package https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/pdns-recursor, but it's not showing up when I `apt-get install pdns-recursor`, how do I add the repo to apt? |
| 17:21.20 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: would you help me man please? |
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| 17:21.47 | nkuttler | L0aD1nG: gdm3 stacks? what does that mean? |
| 17:22.10 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: no time |
| 17:22.14 | L0aD1nG | that means that it starts |
| 17:22.21 | L0aD1nG | then I can't do anything |
| 17:22.31 | L0aD1nG | even press Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 17:22.32 | dontknow | why does someone need multimedia repo? everything works fine with free stuff |
| 17:22.46 | L0aD1nG | seems I am trapped and I am here like 5 hours fighting with that machine |
| 17:22.56 | L0aD1nG | fucking nvidia driver destroyed all my works |
| 17:23.00 | L0aD1nG | work* |
| 17:23.02 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Which driver do you use now? Did you remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file? |
| 17:23.07 | SynrG | Probably missing headers to kernel to build |
| 17:23.07 | L0aD1nG | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.117 |
| 17:23.17 | L0aD1nG | taken info from here to be sure |
| 17:23.22 | L0aD1nG | and still had problems |
| 17:23.27 | L0aD1nG | BIG problems :( |
| 17:23.31 | babilen | L0aD1nG: So, you uninstalled that? What do you plan to use now? |
| 17:23.47 | L0aD1nG | I removed whole xorg.conf.d |
| 17:23.59 | L0aD1nG | as I created over the installation |
| 17:24.28 | babilen | But beforehand it was fine? |
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| 17:24.34 | jonno11 | Hi all, I've been using linux for years but only just ran into this issue. I'm trying to understand how apt repositories work. If I have this package https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/pdns-recursor, but it's not showing up when I `apt-get install pdns-recursor`, how do I add the repo to apt? |
| 17:24.35 | L0aD1nG | I don't plan I just wanted to log in with GUI again and I tried uninstalling nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:24.45 | L0aD1nG | no |
| 17:24.54 | L0aD1nG | it wasn't able to open gdm3 |
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| 17:25.06 | L0aD1nG | so I ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 17:25.12 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Did you blacklist the native driver? |
| 17:25.24 | L0aD1nG | no I didn't do that |
| 17:25.34 | L0aD1nG | but still now I can't even have a terminal |
| 17:25.45 | L0aD1nG | I am on grub command line right now :'( |
| 17:25.51 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Sure you can, just boot to single user mode. |
| 17:26.01 | L0aD1nG | how can I do that? |
| 17:26.10 | smartass | jonno11: did you do apt-get update ? |
| 17:26.14 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Append the word single to the boot command. |
| 17:26.17 | jonno11 | smartass: Yeah |
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| 17:26.31 | L0aD1nG | on grub command line? |
| 17:26.36 | smartass | jonno11: check your sources.list then |
| 17:26.39 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Just choose "maintenance mode" (or so) in grub |
| 17:26.46 | jonno11 | smartass: no that's my point |
| 17:26.49 | L0aD1nG | recovery mode? |
| 17:26.54 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Edit the command. |
| 17:26.55 | babilen | yeah |
| 17:27.02 | jonno11 | smartass: How do I know what to put in sources.list? |
| 17:27.02 | babilen | L0aD1nG: recovery, yeah |
| 17:27.05 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Or that. |
| 17:27.19 | jhutchins | I hardly ever actually boot my machines... |
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| 17:27.45 | L0aD1nG | I am on terminal with ROOT privs :D |
| 17:27.57 | L0aD1nG | so should I reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:27.59 | L0aD1nG | ? |
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| 17:28.10 | jhutchins | ... which is one reason the Power company sends me little notes that tell me I'm number 85 out of 100 for energy use in my area. |
| 17:28.30 | smartass | dpkg: tell jonno11 -about sources |
| 17:28.38 | mtn | dpkg: tell jonno11 about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:28.47 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: I believe that is not a recommended method. |
| 17:28.49 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 17:28.49 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:29.10 | L0aD1nG | so what should I do to bring it back to normal? |
| 17:29.10 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: No, I'm wrong about that. |
| 17:29.36 | jonno11 | mtn, smartass, Again - I know how sources.list works. I want to know what URL to put in there! |
| 17:29.42 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: I'm thinking maybe you need to remove files that nvidia-dkms created. |
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| 17:29.55 | nkuttler | jonno11: what the bot told you.. |
| 17:30.06 | L0aD1nG | well you are not as when I had the nvidia-kernel-dkms gdm3 wasnt start also "startx" didn't work proved that xorg had fatal errors |
| 17:30.07 | smartass | jonno11: you mean the mirrors? |
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| 17:30.10 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: I'd try to get it working with the noveau driver. You can make a backup of that, then try the nvidia drivers again. |
| 17:30.15 | jonno11 | smartass: Yeah |
| 17:30.18 | mtn | jonno11: so glad you know everything. good luck |
| 17:30.28 | smartass | jonno11: ask dpkg about mirrors ;) |
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| 17:30.48 | smartass | jonno11: it is a very helpful bot |
| 17:30.50 | L0aD1nG | how should I find the nvidia files...search :-/ ? |
| 17:31.16 | jonno11 | mtn: Cheers for the sarcasm |
| 17:31.33 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Which card do you have? |
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| 17:32.35 | L0aD1nG | babilen: Nvidia Geforce 8500 GT |
| 17:32.42 | L0aD1nG | I must fix it.. |
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| 17:33.44 | babilen | L0aD1nG: That one is supported by the driver you installed. Please run "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms" and then "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
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| 17:34.00 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Create the configuration with "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 17:34.04 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Which kernel do you use? |
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| 17:34.19 | L0aD1nG | the stable one 3.2 |
| 17:34.49 | babilen | Okay, then run "aptitude -r install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 17:35.01 | L0aD1nG | I have uninstalled nvidia-kernel-dkms right now |
| 17:35.09 | babilen | Did you, at any point, install the nvidia driver using their installer? |
| 17:35.12 | L0aD1nG | babilen: should I create the file like that? |
| 17:35.24 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I am aware of that. I want you to install it again. |
| 17:35.31 | L0aD1nG | or reinstall the dkms then create the file....but then xorg crashes with fatal error |
| 17:35.55 | L0aD1nG | kk on it bro |
| 17:36.00 | L0aD1nG | give me some time |
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| 17:36.09 | babilen | Yes, we can debug that problem, but that is impossible without it actually being installed. |
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| 17:37.19 | babilen | For that: Install pastebinit and then run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" (once you installed the driver and rebooted, if you still have problems) |
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| 17:38.34 | babilen | L0aD1nG: And just to make sure: When you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" the pciid of your card is 10de:0421 isn't it? |
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| 17:39.26 | L0aD1nG | omg the recovery now bugged when I give the root password it doesn't respond |
| 17:39.45 | babilen | I thought you are still logged in? |
| 17:39.58 | L0aD1nG | no I rebooted once |
| 17:40.04 | L0aD1nG | but didn't make any change |
| 17:40.06 | jhutchins | wonders if there are problems other than video on this system... |
| 17:40.14 | L0aD1nG | no |
| 17:40.14 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Why would you do that? |
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| 17:40.55 | L0aD1nG | I created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory thought it should be there then rebooted to check and then back here...this wasn't anything serious... |
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| 17:41.28 | babilen | Did you create the configuration file in there? |
| 17:41.36 | L0aD1nG | no |
| 17:41.39 | L0aD1nG | nothing |
| 17:41.46 | L0aD1nG | but still I log in on recovery |
| 17:41.53 | kill_-9_1 | thinks that L0aD1nG has destroyed his system and should reinstall it from scratch. |
| 17:42.04 | babilen | So you after logging in as root to recovery you only ran "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" and then immediately rebooted? |
| 17:42.09 | L0aD1nG | noway |
| 17:42.24 | L0aD1nG | the nvidia driver caused me all that |
| 17:42.30 | L0aD1nG | I made 0 changes since then |
| 17:42.32 | babilen | Please concentrate |
| 17:42.37 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: You can uninstall the .bin driver by using nvidia-uninstall. |
| 17:42.40 | L0aD1nG | thats the easy way to think kill_-9_1 |
| 17:43.03 | L0aD1nG | babilen: yes sir |
| 17:43.04 | babilen | kill_-9_1: My understanding so far was that L0aD1nG did not use the installer from nvidia.com |
| 17:43.20 | babilen | ( L0aD1nG ^^^ ?? Did you? ) |
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| 17:43.30 | L0aD1nG | babilen: no I didn't ofc |
| 17:43.44 | babilen | Ack, so: please answer my question |
| 17:43.53 | L0aD1nG | told you I knew how to do it standalone but for the shake of clarity I took the info fromhttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.117 |
| 17:43.59 | L0aD1nG | just to be sure |
| 17:44.17 | L0aD1nG | how could that root asking pass bug out now?? |
| 17:44.25 | babilen | Yes, that is the correct procedure. So: "after logging in as root to recovery you only ran "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" and then immediately rebooted?" |
| 17:44.27 | luffy2014 | i am running Debian GNU/Linux 7 (Wheezy) on my laptop and i installed linphone by executing apt-get install linphone. The linphone installation went fine but rendered me with its interface in english! is the interface available in spanish? |
| 17:44.50 | L0aD1nG | babilen: yes man I just did that |
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| 17:45.00 | babilen | luffy2014: It probably hasn't been translated |
| 17:45.04 | babilen | judd: v linphone |
| 17:45.05 | judd | Package: linphone on i386 -- squeeze: 3.3.2-1; wheezy: 3.5.2-10; sid: 3.6.1-2.3+b1; jessie: 3.6.1-2.3+b1 |
| 17:45.25 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: You can pass "init=/bin/bash" to login without problems in the GRUB . |
| 17:45.42 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Okay, I am not going to tell you that I never asked you to do that, but you should still be able to log in. Could you try booting into recovery again? |
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| 17:46.11 | L0aD1nG | I am trying right for 10 minutes now |
| 17:46.50 | L0aD1nG | when it comes to "Give root password for maintenance:" I give the password but no responds also it tells me "(or type Control-D to continue)" |
| 17:46.51 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Try add init=/bin/bash to the kernel command line. |
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| 17:48.23 | L0aD1nG | kill_-9_1 , via the grub command line |
| 17:48.40 | babilen | L0aD1nG: And please don't just do things. I wanted you to check a couple of things *after* you installed the driver and before you rebooted. |
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| 17:49.04 | babilen | Yes, via the grub command line. Hit "e" on top of the entry, edit it and then boot with F10 |
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| 17:49.22 | L0aD1nG | okay |
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| 17:49.28 | babilen | bbl, telephone |
| 17:49.36 | luffy2014 | well, if it has not been translated then apt-get remove --purge linphone because linphone was meant to be use by people who only speak spanish |
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| 17:49.49 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Edit the kernel line of that . |
| 17:50.44 | L0aD1nG | so I change initrd ? |
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| 17:51.12 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: You change kernel. |
| 17:51.24 | L0aD1nG | yes I am on the script |
| 17:51.25 | luffy2014 | i thought packages were thoroughly tested and localized before making it to Stable |
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| 17:51.39 | L0aD1nG | I append the line or change some line that already exists? |
| 17:51.45 | kill_-9_1 | Add 'init=/bin/bash' at the end, without quotes. |
| 17:51.58 | L0aD1nG | kk sec |
| 17:52.04 | hell | hello. got a broken systemd-logind after dist-upgrade - http://pastebin.com/rPWEfHWw |
| 17:52.19 | hell | where i can look to solve this? |
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| 17:53.03 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Got a prompt ? |
| 17:53.12 | L0aD1nG | kill_-9_1 , no man |
| 17:53.23 | L0aD1nG | shouldn't I keep the indentation? |
| 17:53.35 | L0aD1nG | ohh |
| 17:53.39 | mtn | hell: dist-upgrade to what from what? |
| 17:53.41 | L0aD1nG | I didn't saved logically |
| 17:53.55 | L0aD1nG | I press F10 to save right? |
| 17:54.24 | hell | sid to sid ;-) |
| 17:54.27 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Press f10 to boot with the mods. |
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| 17:54.47 | mtn | hell: best to go to testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 17:54.48 | luffy2014 | i thought packages were thoroughly tested and localized before making it to Stable. it seems that is not the case |
| 17:55.11 | hell | [freenode] -!- #debian-next #debian Forwarding to another channel |
| 17:55.13 | babilen | luffy2014: There is no requirement for complete localisations, no |
| 17:55.13 | hell | auch |
| 17:55.16 | hell | sorry |
| 17:55.27 | luffy2014 | well, apt-get remove --purge linphone |
| 17:55.27 | L0aD1nG | kill_-9_1 , I do that on the recovery or on the normal one? |
| 17:55.28 | luffy2014 | done |
| 17:55.33 | kill_-9_1 | hell: Systemd is an ugly pain, crashing the kernel. |
| 17:55.47 | L0aD1nG | cause on the normal boot image...doesn't work tried with indents plus without indents |
| 17:55.48 | abrotman | kill_-9_1: please don't, if you're not going to help, please keep quiet |
| 17:55.51 | L0aD1nG | on the last line |
| 17:55.53 | hell | kill_-9_1: yeah. that's why i have sysvinit ;-) |
| 17:55.56 | babilen | luffy2014: Looks as if somebody is working on it though: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/linphone-developers/2013-02/msg00026.html |
| 17:56.01 | L0aD1nG | init=/bin/bash |
| 17:56.02 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Try on the two without quotes. |
| 17:56.03 | abrotman | hell: irc.oftc.net, not free node |
| 17:56.22 | hell | but new shiny userland software can't run without systemd |
| 17:56.23 | L0aD1nG | both times was without quotes |
| 17:56.30 | luffy2014 | will install jitsi now. |
| 17:56.35 | L0aD1nG | and still bugged gdm3 starting |
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| 17:56.58 | L0aD1nG | should I do the same for the recovery mode boot image |
| 17:56.59 | L0aD1nG | ? |
| 17:57.01 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Did you append it to the end of the kernel line ? |
| 17:57.13 | kill_-9_1 | (and not initrd) |
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| 17:57.22 | L0aD1nG | sec |
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| 17:57.56 | babilen | luffy2014: You could ask in #linphone about that, but you might also want to take a look at mumble, jitsi, ekiga, ... |
| 17:58.01 | luffy2014 | babilen, that post is from 2013 and since linphone's interface is not available in spanish i just removed it |
| 17:58.01 | L0aD1nG | the line with linux etc etc? |
| 17:58.12 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Yes. |
| 17:58.32 | kill_-9_1 | Without quotes and at the end of that line. |
| 17:58.52 | luffy2014 | babilen, i asked in #linphone and got no reply |
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| 17:59.07 | L0aD1nG | I have a prompt! |
| 17:59.14 | kill_-9_1 | luffy2014: It is timezone. |
| 17:59.16 | L0aD1nG | so I go straight reinstall the dkms? |
| 17:59.31 | L0aD1nG | lol |
| 17:59.39 | L0aD1nG | I cant type on the prompt omfg! |
| 17:59.42 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Do a mount -o remount,rw / before ! |
| 18:00.15 | L0aD1nG | what do you mean "before" |
| 18:00.16 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Oh. Do you have a PS/2 keyboard ? |
| 18:00.16 | L0aD1nG | ? |
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| 18:00.47 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Before executing any command. |
| 18:01.24 | L0aD1nG | I can't type on the shell dude, |
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| 18:01.42 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Try with an older kernel and in recovery mode. |
| 18:01.53 | L0aD1nG | okay |
| 18:02.00 | L0aD1nG | but this is the only kernel |
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| 18:02.17 | L0aD1nG | 3.2 the default |
| 18:02.27 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: So try with recovery mode . |
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| 18:03.26 | L0aD1nG | yea |
| 18:03.32 | L0aD1nG | in recovery I can type |
| 18:03.40 | L0aD1nG | so what I do now |
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| 18:03.55 | L0aD1nG | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:04.00 | L0aD1nG | this? |
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| 18:06.39 | L0aD1nG | babilen: you there dude? |
| 18:06.51 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Yes, to remount FS in RW. |
| 18:07.18 | Rad-X | hello agin |
| 18:07.21 | Rad-X | again |
| 18:07.28 | kill_-9_1 | (I have a ZNC bouncer , if you care about my www problem) |
| 18:07.39 | smartass | Rad-X: which botnet is it this time? ;) |
| 18:07.49 | Rad-X | ahahhah |
| 18:07.52 | Rad-X | no nothing |
| 18:07.57 | Rad-X | jsut saying hello again |
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| 18:08.04 | Rad-X | I am reinstalling Debian |
| 18:08.39 | Rad-X | I made a mirrored HD image of it. I want to searchit later. |
| 18:08.45 | L0aD1nG | done |
| 18:09.14 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: apt-get remove nvidia-* |
| 18:09.22 | L0aD1nG | EXT4-fs (sda1): remounted. Opts: errors-remount-ro |
| 18:09.25 | L0aD1nG | thats what I get |
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| 18:10.04 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: That's what you should get. |
| 18:10.05 | L0aD1nG | done |
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| 18:10.27 | babilen | (you'd have to purge those) |
| 18:10.39 | babilen | Anyway, no time now. bbl |
| 18:10.55 | L0aD1nG | bb babilen thanks for the help dude |
| 18:10.56 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Purge them and reboot. |
| 18:11.21 | L0aD1nG | and log in to recovery or normal? |
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| 18:12.05 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: As nothing has ever happened. |
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| 18:13.11 | L0aD1nG | omfg |
| 18:13.24 | L0aD1nG | reboot / shutdown -r now doesn't work lol |
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| 18:13.51 | L0aD1nG | says to me |
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| 18:14.03 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1ng: You should do 'sync' and pull the power plug. |
| 18:14.17 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: I think you have a disk problem. |
| 18:14.19 | L0aD1nG | shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 18:14.20 | kill_-9_1 | *L0aD1nG |
| 18:14.42 | L0aD1nG | kill_-9_1 : really? |
| 18:15.06 | Rad-X | L0aD1nG, SATA HDD? |
| 18:15.10 | L0aD1nG | y |
| 18:15.19 | kill_-9_1 | jhutchins: When one is booting with init=/bin/bash, it is expected |
| 18:15.20 | Rad-X | test the cable |
| 18:15.34 | L0aD1nG | the drive is fine man |
| 18:15.37 | Rad-X | I got this kind of behavior a lot of times because of a damaged SATA cable |
| 18:15.50 | Rad-X | the system starts |
| 18:15.56 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: How can you possibly say the drive is fine when files appear to be vanishing from it? |
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| 18:15.58 | Rad-X | and sundelly nothing workd |
| 18:16.01 | kill_-9_1 | Rad-X: He is booting with init=/bin/bash |
| 18:16.02 | Rad-X | works* |
| 18:16.23 | Rad-X | Ah, sorry. I missread the thing |
| 18:16.24 | L0aD1nG | so I do sync |
| 18:16.31 | L0aD1nG | and pull the cable? |
| 18:16.45 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Not the sata cable. |
| 18:17.03 | L0aD1nG | kill_-9_1: thats the only way?? can't I reboot from the button?? |
| 18:17.14 | L0aD1nG | jhutchins: ofc the power cable he wrote it |
| 18:17.18 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: You can hold the power button. |
| 18:17.31 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Do you have something like a live CD you can boot from? |
| 18:17.32 | tremon | not that I've followed the discussion, but what about magic sysrq? |
| 18:17.36 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: You can try the button, but that depends of your motherboard. |
| 18:17.52 | jhutchins | tremon: You want to walk him through it? |
| 18:17.55 | L0aD1nG | safer with the cable pulled? |
| 18:18.13 | tremon | jhutchins: not before knowing what the actual issue is ;) |
| 18:18.25 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: Not safer, just certain. Sometimes a lock-up will disable the power button. |
| 18:18.29 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Try the button first. |
| 18:18.54 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: It could just be that the freezes have corrupted the filesystem, but I think you need to check it before going any farther. |
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| 18:19.44 | L0aD1nG | jhutchins: I think that too...we have not time to fresh install |
| 18:19.49 | L0aD1nG | damn nvidia |
| 18:19.59 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: forget jhutchins and try with the button, not risky |
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| 18:20.11 | pbunny | nvidia-prime on debian jessie? |
| 18:20.14 | L0aD1nG | nothing still the frozen gdm3 comes up |
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| 18:20.31 | L0aD1nG | still I can't get a terminal with the normal way |
| 18:21.23 | kill_-9_1 | L0aD1nG: Try to install a newer/older kernel and boot from it with the 'init=/bin/bash' hack. |
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| 18:26.34 | pbunny | is nvidia-prime installable via apt-get on debian jessie? |
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| 18:28.15 | jhutchins | L0aD1nG: You've only spent an hour on this so far. I'd seriously check the disk before you write anything more to it by installing packages. (How you're supposed to install a different kernel if it won't boot I don't know.) |
| 18:28.19 | twobitsprite | I'm having trouble adding a partition to a disk on a VM. I grew the disk-image size, rebooted the server, but when I try to add a partition in fdisk it says "No free sectors" despite showing the extra sectors when I print them. http://pastebin.ca/2833882 |
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| 18:29.24 | jhutchins | twobitsprite: Try a different utility like parted. |
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| 18:41.25 | Abjectio | question - does anybody know if the wifi works "out of the box - debian stable" on a Lenovo T420? (Ubuntu does -but not sure if that is because of a properitary driver in the ubuntu distro). |
| 18:41.55 | twobitsprite | jhutchins: tried that, but it keeps saying "can't have overlapping partitions" even though I'm adding 65 sectors to the end of the last partition... |
| 18:43.15 | twobitsprite | jhutchins: http://pastebin.ca/2833886 |
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| 18:44.33 | frostschutz | twobitsprite, sda2 has to be larger first before you can create a new logical partition inside |
| 18:44.46 | Brigo | Abjectio, if the wifi needs firmware the answers is no, but you can try the unofficial netinstall with firmware included. |
| 18:45.16 | Abjectio | Brigo: tx. |
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| 18:45.41 | dontknow | Abjectio, this one? http://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/680/ThinkPad-T420 |
| 18:45.51 | twobitsprite | frostschutz: ahh... of course... crap... that means |
| 18:45.59 | twobitsprite | I am going to have to reboot in to single user mode :( |
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| 18:46.55 | dontknow | Abjectio, it says it doesn't work |
| 18:47.00 | frostschutz | twobitsprite, or try starting with 41943040s (the next 2048) |
| 18:47.33 | Abjectio | dontknow: yes that one. Ok - tx for link. |
| 18:47.46 | L0aD1nG | is this valid source to install nvidia driver for Nvidia Geforce 8500 gt http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html? |
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| 18:48.23 | frostschutz | twobitsprite, if you only need 3 partitions in total, I'd scrap that partition table and do one with 3 primaries |
| 18:48.41 | kristijonas | What is the difference between sendmail send-mail and postfix? |
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| 18:49.29 | twobitsprite | frostschutz: well, this is a live server, no time to redesign the partition scheme |
| 18:49.31 | rgr | L0aD1nG: does the included nvidia-glx driver not work? |
| 18:49.43 | rgr | (I use testing and it worked fine) |
| 18:49.56 | twobitsprite | but I was able to get parted to resize sda2, and now fdisk is letting me create a partition. thanks |
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| 18:52.15 | lc______ | Hi, i think i have a bug with networkmanager in Debian Wheezy with XFCE. I've installed openvpn and networkmanager-gnome-openvpn packages. When i try to configure the connection with CA certificate, User Certificate. When i insert the Private key it crash |
| 18:52.15 | rgr | no time to redesign the partition scheme but time to risk it all by using fdisk? :) Cool. Not using lVM? |
| 18:52.31 | yoLo_ | can i change debian's terminal background ? |
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| 18:52.39 | lc______ | the error from cli are : (nm-connection-editor:3654): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_file_chooser_select_filename: assertion `filename != NULL' failed |
| 18:52.57 | lc______ | and (nm-connection-editor:3654): Gtk-CRITICAL **: _gtk_file_system_model_get_iter_for_file: assertion `G_IS_FILE (file)' failed |
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| 18:58.55 | lc______ | any help ? |
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| 18:59.54 | centrx | lc______, Search for that error message online for clues? |
| 19:00.10 | centrx | lc______, See if there are any bugs filed with this package/software either in Debian or upstream? |
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| 19:01.53 | L0aD1nG | rgr : I will find out maybe it did |
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| 19:30.28 | infernix | is there a way to mount filesystems only when connect to _netdev mountpoints only when connected to certain networks? |
| 19:30.35 | infernix | other than making some custom script in if-up.d, that is |
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| 19:31.34 | infernix | networkmanager doesn't have any "run custom commands" feature per wifi network for instance |
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| 19:33.01 | centrx | kristijonas, sendmail and postfix are two different mail servers (MTA, mail transfer agent) |
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| 19:33.39 | centrx | kristijonas, sendmail is the classic Unix MTA which is or was the universal standard. Other clients often provide sendmail-compatible binaries |
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| 19:34.20 | kristijonas | centrx, "man sendmail" returns me "sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface" |
| 19:34.54 | centrx | kristijonas, Right, so that implies Postfix is your MTA, and it provides this binary for sendmail-compatibility as it is a major standard |
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| 19:36.16 | kristijonas | so if I have postfix, I no longer have sendmail (i only have postfix which uses sendmail standard), right? |
| 19:36.35 | centrx | kristijonas, You could have multiple MTAs installed but it would be messed up to use both of them |
| 19:37.24 | kristijonas | centrx, and by default does Debian have any MTA installed? |
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| 19:38.40 | centrx | kristijonas, The Debian default is exim |
| 19:39.00 | centrx | kristijonas, It is supposed to be a smaller and simpler MTA so suitable for a default |
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| 19:40.04 | kristijonas | centrx, so when I install Debian, it automatically has exim server installed, doesnt it? |
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| 19:42.14 | centrx | kristijonas, You can choose not to install it, or install it later. There are a number of possible combinations. It doesn't matter so much because apt-get is reliable. |
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| 19:42.49 | kristijonas | centrx, where can I find sendmail log if I have postfix? |
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| 19:43.13 | centrx | kristijonas, Generally, all logs are in /var/log |
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| 19:45.59 | kristijonas | centrx, this is the errors I get: http://pastebin.com/WuFFBPbq |
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| 19:46.35 | centrx | No space left on device |
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| 19:47.31 | littlebit | hi people, I wanted to know how to move files with a certain extention through the terminal. My first thought is to user the find command but where do I go from there?? |
| 19:48.00 | kristijonas | centrx, like there is no free space left on hard drive? |
| 19:48.25 | noisyc | littlebit: mv *.extension dest |
| 19:48.31 | centrx | kristijonas, right |
| 19:48.41 | noisyc | littlebit: like that? |
| 19:49.04 | littlebit | noisyc: that is correct, but lets say that you have a bunch of subdirectorries where the files are at. |
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| 19:50.18 | centrx | littlebit, Different levels of subdirectories? |
| 19:50.29 | littlebit | centrx: yes |
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| 19:50.37 | centrx | littlebit, if it is one level subdirectory, you can do: a/*/c |
| 19:50.44 | centrx | littlebit, Otherwise, look up the "globstar" |
| 19:50.56 | centrx | littlebit, You activate that feature in your terminal, then you can do: a/**/c |
| 19:51.07 | centrx | littlebit, for variable/any combination of intermediate directories |
| 19:51.45 | kristijonas | centrix, http://pastebin.com/rXEUtpyC |
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| 19:52.42 | littlebit | centrx: lets say I have in my home directory a lot of .mp3 files all over, it is a total chaos, and I want to find all files that end with mp3 and move them into my music folder. How would I do that? |
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| 19:53.45 | centrx | littlebit, Turn on globstar in that console (find out how to do this) |
| 19:53.56 | centrx | littlebit, Then: mv **/*.mp3 ~/mp3_master_directory |
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| 19:54.16 | centrx | littlebit, ** is the globstar |
| 19:54.37 | centrx | mv ~/**/*.mp3 ~/mp3_master_directory |
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| 19:55.19 | centrx | littlebit, I'm not sure what it does with the 0-levelth subdirectory, e.g. ~/beach_boys.mp3, so that's something to check |
| 19:56.23 | littlebit | centrx: globstar is a new terminology for me and I had the idea of using the find command. but ill google for globestar. thx btw |
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| 19:57.12 | centrx | littlebit, Yes, you can do it with the find command too, probably pipe it to xargs |
| 19:57.29 | centrx | littlebit, globstar is simpler though |
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| 20:13.11 | mcfrisk | Any idea what broke xfce4-power-manager from unstable in past few months? Doesn't show charging status anymore, claims to run on battery even when Lenovo T60 leds show that charger is there. Systemd? |
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| 20:16.42 | xavery | mcfrisk, there was an update to upower or something. |
| 20:16.53 | xavery | and the new upower is not compatible with the old xfce4-power-manager or vice versa. |
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| 20:19.48 | mcfrisk | xavery: thanks, is there a bug maybe? I guess downgrading something could be a workaround.. |
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| 20:20.51 | mcfrisk | ah, I think https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754846 is it |
| 20:21.10 | xavery | yup. :) |
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| 20:36.14 | h43z | Hello debians. I can see if i do a apt-cache plolicy package that there is a new version of it. Why does apt-get upgrade not install it? |
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| 20:37.24 | plm | Is possible to know if a connection are using ssl or not? netstat -an show me many and I would liek what that connections are secure(ssl). |
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| 20:38.00 | plm | *would like to know |
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| 20:44.34 | benunter | plm: with netstat you can only know connections, not the protocol |
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| 20:46.43 | benunter | plm: what type of connection (HTTPS, LDAPS) you think is using SSL ? |
| 20:47.16 | benunter | plm: maybe you can try a tcpdump |
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| 20:49.18 | benunter | plm: and see what packet are transmitted. eg. with : tcpdump -nn -i eth0 port 55 |
| 20:49.41 | benunter | plm: change eth0 and 55 with your port |
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| 20:56.12 | plm | benunter: great. I did a application (client and server) where are using ssl and I would like to know if are really using :) |
| 20:56.25 | plm | benunter: is not https, is tcp socket with ssl |
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| 20:57.22 | MY123 | plm : tcpdump -i eth0 or whatever else. |
| 20:58.29 | plm | MY123: ;) |
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| 20:59.43 | MY123 | plm: You can also use wireshark as it is a GUI app with plugins. |
| 21:01.08 | MY123 | Now , 1h20 without problems. |
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| 21:02.39 | Krampus | In general, if I'm using an 'official' buildd (sbuild/pbuilder), will making a change to a dependency package cause everyone that depends on it to be automatically rebuilt against it? |
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| 21:10.43 | justanotheruser | Why can't I select a command in the dialog to open a file, but instead have to find the program to run it with a certain program? |
| 21:11.55 | plm | benunter: MY123 can you know what this two tcpdump was using ssl connection? http://dpaste.com/2QAJ03F I see the unique difference is that second one has more lines in tcpdump. Was de same app without and after with ssl. |
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| 21:13.41 | three_legs | how do you create a upstream tarball from a git repo |
| 21:13.53 | three_legs | im trying to create a apt repository but im kindof stuck here lol |
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| 21:16.59 | three_legs | anyone ? |
| 21:17.26 | JordanJ2 | Hi all. I'm running a supybot install on Debian 7 and getting this error, hoping someone could help out pinpoint the issue. (Tried the commands, didn't work) http://hastebin.com/tupubezino.rb |
| 21:17.29 | kristijonas | Hello, i had lvm with dm-crypt (the whole system was crypted), and playing around with Webmin, I changed volume group name, now the system does not boot. |
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| 21:20.06 | kristijonas | The errors I got: Volume Group "old-name", not found; can't open /dev/mapper/old-name-root: no such file; |
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| 21:21.59 | MY123 | shiftplusone: Exactly what I wanted to say. |
| 21:23.52 | mcfrisk | Hi, trying to get xfce4-power-manager running with latest upower in unstable. #xfce says update to 1.3.1 of xfce4-power-manager should work, so I took the packages from experimental. Works with some glitches but there's an extra password prompt. Seems like gdm is not setting up a logind session at all (since "loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID| grep ^Active" says no). Any ideas why? |
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| 21:24.39 | babilen | mcfrisk: How do you start XFCE? |
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| 21:25.40 | mcfrisk | babilen: I have gdm with autologin |
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| 21:26.02 | mcfrisk | babilen: maybe related https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747821 |
| 21:26.08 | babilen | mcfrisk: And you run systemd as init? |
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| 21:26.30 | DammitJim | how can I get the dhcp lease time for my laptop? |
| 21:26.43 | mcfrisk | babilen: yes, got it through dist-upgrades |
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| 21:28.28 | babilen | mcfrisk: What does "ls -lsd /run/systemd/system" and "ls -la /sbin/init" give you? |
| 21:29.13 | mcfrisk | babilen: /run/systemd/system and /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 21:29.37 | babilen | Not quite, but yeah :) |
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| 21:29.57 | mcfrisk | I disabled lid close based hibernation when systemd came, that's the only modification I've done |
| 21:29.58 | babilen | Is that gdm 3.12 ? |
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| 21:30.42 | mcfrisk | yes, 3.12.2-2 though there's a 3.12.2-2.1 available as well |
| 21:30.52 | babilen | mcfrisk: Sure, btw: testing and unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) and you also find #debian-systemd on that channel. |
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| 21:31.46 | mcfrisk | oh, that's new to me. Maybe I missed the announcements.. |
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| 21:34.26 | babilen | mcfrisk: I've been refraining from upgrading gdm3 from 3.8 to 3.12 as apt-listbugs simply lists too many bugs and I don't think that the bug you mentioned earlier is the same (that person wasn't using systemd as init, but relied on support in systemd-shim which is still playing catchup) |
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| 21:35.30 | babilen | mcfrisk: I also can't necessarily find a fitting bug report for your issue. I'd recommend to ask in #debian-next and #debian-system as people in there might have run into this already. |
| 21:36.16 | babilen | I see you just joined. :) |
| 21:37.46 | mcfrisk | babilen: yep :) was a bit confused over 'must be invited' errors from freenode, will continue on #debian-next |
| 21:37.53 | babilen | ack |
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| 22:00.57 | rose32 | if I perform a apt-cache search libseccomp nothing appears |
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| 22:16.28 | elichai2 | how can i check package version in the repo? |
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| 22:17.00 | elichai2 | found, thanks! |
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| 22:40.17 | UltimateNate | How do you give permissions on a folder to someone? |
| 22:40.22 | UltimateNate | err direvtory |
| 22:40.25 | UltimateNate | directory* |
| 22:41.03 | MY123 | UltimateNate: chown user:group fileordirectory |
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| 23:03.38 | kristijonas | hello, I have a volume group (server 931.27 GB), physical volume (dm-0 931.27 GB), and three logical volumes: home (918.96 GB), root (9.31 GB), swap_1 (3 GB). I want to reduce HOME to and increase ROOT volume. How can I do that? |
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| 23:05.22 | Brigo | kristijonas, i think the easy way is using gparted |
| 23:05.49 | kristijonas | Brigo, I'm using LVM. |
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| 23:06.30 | Brigo | kristijonas, i think gparted support lvm |
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| 23:08.54 | kristijonas | Brigo, my gparted shows this: http://i.imgur.com/Cx1Y6DN.png |
| 23:09.34 | Brigo | you are using encryption |
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| 23:11.28 | kristijonas | Brigo, yes, I do. |
| 23:11.33 | tables | my touchpad mouse won't drag and drop nor can i highlight stuff, know what's wrong? |
| 23:11.55 | tables | where is my X11 touchpad configs? |
| 23:11.59 | tables | or touchpad config stuff? |
| 23:12.39 | kristijonas | http://pastebin.com/H4td7ytQ, Brigo and I need to increase root volume |
| 23:12.43 | Brigo | Krigsforbryter, with encryption resizing must to be manual: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions |
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| 23:13.34 | Brigo | kristijonas, or even better: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=726724 |
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| 23:15.34 | kristijonas | Brigo, since my whole system is encrypted, and I don't want to change it, resize it, or whatever, I just want to resize the logical volume. |
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| 23:17.41 | civillian | kristijonas: have you looked into lvresize? |
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| 23:18.36 | civillian | kristijonas: make sure you shrink the FS first |
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| 23:21.00 | Brigo | kristijonas, sorry, may be i do not understand you. i have never used luks. |
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| 23:21.37 | kristijonas | civillian, I don't know, it sounds complicated, I am bit reading a few hours about LVM, dm-crypt, resizing, and I realized that I'll have issue anyways, because I will not be able to unmount / |
| 23:22.50 | Brigo | kristijonas, of course no. You can umount / in a running system. You must boot froma rescue disk. |
| 23:24.03 | kristijonas | The only reason I decided to use LVM is reading that resizing logical volumes when you use LVM is really easy, now I see that it's even harder. |
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| 23:26.55 | Brigo | the problem about umounting / is not lvm depending |
| 23:27.10 | civillian | kristijonas: the complication here is your choice of luks |
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| 23:28.22 | kristijonas | civillian, I just encrypted the whole system, I didn't think it has something to do to with the logical volume resizing |
| 23:28.40 | Brigo | lvm si very good with several disk and several partitions, but with one disk and few partitions really do no very important. |
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| 23:30.59 | kristijonas | My system keeps telling me when writing some files to /var that not enough space, so I need to resize it. |
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| 23:31.26 | JodaZ | never got what lvm is for really... |
| 23:32.52 | mactimes | kristijonas Is this a production environment? |
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| 23:33.19 | jcbjoe | besides dpkg apt what other tools do you guys use for your package system .. im ccurrently on gentoo and looking for another distro .. theses emerges / use flags where fun for a while then its like i have a life lol |
| 23:33.43 | jcbjoe | apt / dpkg do you guys have tools to check pkgs or whateveR ? |
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| 23:33.56 | Brigo | jcbjoe, check packages? |
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| 23:34.23 | kristijonas | mactimes, no, i am just been using Linux for a year or two. The last time I ruined the system, I reinstall OS, and decided to use LVM and encrypt the whole system (there was an option in the Debian Setup window) |
| 23:34.25 | Brigo | kristijonas, may be you can free some room. |
| 23:34.30 | jcbjoe | Brigo, sorry im used to gentoo they have tools that check for use flags and stuff .. im looking at your wiki right now |
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| 23:35.11 | JodaZ | jcbjoe, solely using apt here (apt-cache search, apt-get install/remove) used dpkg -i like once |
| 23:35.16 | Brigo | jcbjoe, sorry i have never used gentoo so i cannot tell you how to do that. |
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| 23:36.02 | jcbjoe | are aptitutde and apt the same or is one better ? |
| 23:36.07 | mactimes | kristijonas I see. Anyways, if you have important data on that, make sure you have backups prior to messing up with that. I can help you a bit on that. Let me just scroll back a bit to check what I've missed. |
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| 23:36.39 | JodaZ | jcbjoe, aptitude is a bit more gui like, i don't like it much... |
| 23:36.46 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 23:36.55 | Brigo | jcbjoe, both are similar, but not equal. aptitude is smarted resolving dependencies (sometimes too much) and have a interative frontend. |
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| 23:37.09 | kristijonas | mactimes, http://pastebin.com/H4td7ytQ, http://i.imgur.com/Cx1Y6DN.png |
| 23:37.14 | Brigo | i do not like aptitude too. |
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| 23:37.58 | JodaZ | Brigo, i doubt its doing the dep resolution any different, its just showing them |
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| 23:38.52 | Brigo | JodaZ, i have just heard it :) |
| 23:39.05 | mactimes | kristijonas What release are you running there? |
| 23:39.49 | kristijonas | mactimes, are you asking what version of Debian am I using? |
| 23:39.49 | jcbjoe | does the default kernel have everything in enabled or will i have to build my kernel ? sorry for all the n00b questions |
| 23:40.00 | mactimes | kristijonas Yup. |
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| 23:40.21 | kristijonas | mactimes, Debian Wheezy |
| 23:40.27 | Brigo | jcbjoe, usually yes, debian kernel is very complete |
| 23:40.49 | mactimes | kristijonas Is it up-to-date? |
| 23:41.45 | kristijonas | mactimes, I don't think so. No, it isn't. |
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| 23:42.50 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok. Just give me a couple of minutes. I'll set up a VM here to make sure we're in the same steps while I try to guide you, ok? |
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| 23:43.43 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes, i'd appreciate it. I am afraid of losing data. not a problem. |
| 23:43.51 | kristijonas | i'm NOT* |
| 23:44.51 | mactimes | kristijonas Don't worry. I see you're not afraid of losing data, but we can take this opportunity for you to learn, so when you *are* afraid of losing data, you can do it *safely*. =-) |
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| 23:45.15 | mactimes | kristijonas Won't hurt learning a bit, right? |
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| 23:46.03 | kristijonas | mactimes, of course not. I want to learn :) |
| 23:46.04 | mactimes | kristijonas So, just making sure: You've used automatic setup with encryption and LVM, right? |
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| 23:46.51 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes, I did a fresh install, and at the beginning of setup, I had some options, so I've chosen LVM with encryption. |
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| 23:47.21 | mactimes | kristijonas Roger that. Just give me a couple more minutes, so we'll have the same setup. |
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| 23:48.30 | kristijonas | mactimes, ok. So every time I turn on the computer, I need to type in the pass phrase. and then the Debian boots. |
| 23:49.09 | mactimes | kristijonas Paste me the output of 'uname -r' |
| 23:49.43 | kristijonas | mactimes, 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 23:53.19 | r-x-w- | u-hu why does debian nginx not come with spdy module compiled in all flavors? Does anyone know? |
| 23:53.59 | Brigo | r-x-w-, nginx-extras |
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| 23:55.13 | mactimes | kristijonas run this: 'apt-get -y autoremove --purge && apt-get clean' |
| 23:55.39 | JodaZ | kristijonas, you not afraid of losing data? |
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| 23:55.54 | JodaZ | kristijonas, just f*ck everything and reinstall |
| 23:56.04 | Brigo | XD |
| 23:56.05 | kristijonas | mactimes, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 149 not upgraded. |
| 23:56.33 | Brigo | apt-get clean may help |
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| 23:57.11 | mactimes | kristijonas 'df -h' and check the rootfs used % |
| 23:57.28 | jmcnaught | mactimes: getting people to run "apt-get -y autoremove --purge" could remove a lot of stuff if someone has removed a meta-package.. probably best not to include the "-y" at least |
| 23:58.06 | jmcnaught | !ops dedondee is private message spamming |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: dedondee is private message spamming |
| 23:58.26 | mactimes | jmcnaught He's going through this just for learning purposes. Nothing to lose there, according to what he said, so if something gets broken, he'll just have to reinstall. No big deal |
| 23:58.29 | kristijonas | mactimes, df -h output here http://pastebin.com/H4td7ytQ |
| 23:59.14 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 23:59.15 | dpkg | < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
| 23:59.24 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, dedondee spammed me too |
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| 23:59.44 | themill | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 23:59.45 | r-x-w- | Brigo: well, I'm relying on memcached, naxsi, purge module so I'm stuck with nginx-naxsi (which does not have the spdy module) |
| 23:59.57 | jmcnaught | themill: thank you :) |
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