| 00:00.25 | jmcnaught | mactimes: still it's better to have people confirm |
| 00:00.40 | mactimes | jmcnaught Scroll back a bit. I did. |
| 00:01.11 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: do you have any unallocated space on the volume group? "vgs" will tell you. if so you could maybe just grow the root LV |
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| 00:01.35 | r-x-w- | Brigo: My question would be better framed: It is the year 2014, https is more mandatory then optional. Why is the spdy module not compiled in? |
| 00:01.47 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, don't worry, I already get my system broken today, when I accidently change LVM volume group name |
| 00:02.16 | mactimes | jmcnaught As per what he said, he used automated partitioning, with encryption and LVM, all free space has been taken. =) |
| 00:02.47 | Brigo | r-x-w-, ask packagers :) (send a bug) |
| 00:02.53 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, http://pastebin.com/iN0HzZu0 |
| 00:02.53 | Brigo | r-x-w-, are you using wheezy? |
| 00:03.31 | r-x-w- | Brigo: yea. |
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| 00:04.03 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: mactimes: ahh oh well. if you can add another disk you could add it to the volume group and grow the root LV. I usually leave some space unallocated with LVM so that I can grow a partition later, or make snapshots which can be pretty handy |
| 00:04.48 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, I have a volume group (server 931.27 GB), physical volume (dm-0 931.27 GB), and three logical volumes: home (918.96 GB), root (9.31 GB), swap_1 (3 GB). I want to reduce HOME to and increase ROOT volume. |
| 00:05.41 | mactimes | jmcnaught I usually run Debian on my personal computers and on customers servers, so, usually have mirrors, backups, etc. plus lots of spare space on NAS, so, I usually don't worry about that too. =) |
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| 00:06.17 | mactimes | jmcnaught But since he wants to learn... Well, that won't cost me much to help out a bit. |
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| 00:06.58 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, because I started getting errors like: "/usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/6752: No space left on device" |
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| 00:08.37 | shay_shay | ,checkbackport mumble |
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| 00:08.53 | kristijonas | mactimes, like I said, I appreciate your help. :) |
| 00:08.55 | judd | Backporting package mumble in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzeroc-ice35-dev, ice35-translators, ice35-slice. |
| 00:08.56 | shay_shay | >.> |
| 00:08.59 | judd | Backporting package mumble in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzeroc-ice35-dev, ice35-translators, ice35-slice. |
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| 00:09.13 | mactimes | kristijonas Hahaha. No problem. |
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| 00:10.08 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: you can do that, but the risk of data loss when shrinking volumes is a little higher. The tools you need are "resize2fs" (assuming ext3/4) and "lvresize". You would need to use resize2fs on the home volume before shrinking it with lvresize, and then after lvresize on the root volume |
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| 00:12.21 | kristijonas | mactimes, but more than that, I want to understand that hierarchy of partitions, volumes, etc. if dm-0, in my case, is a physical volume, so what is /dev/sda5 (crypt-luks)? |
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| 00:13.25 | mactimes | kristijonas Try to see the /dev/sda5 as if it were a *separate disk*. |
| 00:13.52 | mactimes | kristijonas The rest would be the same as if you were using just a disk with LVM. |
| 00:15.10 | rryoumaa | one of the drawbacks of lvm is that it introduces 3 layers of abstraction, and you are already using 3 or so. |
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| 00:16.15 | kristijonas | mactimes, okay. but what part of HDD is read first after BIOS has recognized HDD? |
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| 00:18.36 | mactimes | kristijonas You system will see that you have two partitions: /dev/sda1 (which is your /boot partition) and an extended partition (/dev/sda2), which contains some *unrecognizable* data. |
| 00:20.05 | mactimes | kristijonas You don't *actually* decrypt your whole data when you type in your password for the crypt-luks partitions. |
| 00:20.52 | kristijonas | mactimes, the data in /dev/sda is unrecognizable because I encrypted the system, in fact, the whole partition? |
| 00:20.54 | mactimes | kristijonas That mapper point you see when you *decrypt*, try to see that as if it were a *translator* for the actual data when you access it. |
| 00:22.04 | mactimes | kristijonas Nope. Not the whole /dev/sda. Just the contents on /dev/sda5. All of it, but just in /dev/sda5. |
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| 00:23.20 | kristijonas | mactimes, okay. since the data of /dev/sda5 is unrecognizable, but at least some process sees that the type of the data is crypt-luks, right? |
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| 00:23.49 | mactimes | kristijonas You only need /boot out of this setup (when using a single disk, of course), because you need your computer to load a minimum system so that it can *decrypt* the remaining partitions. |
| 00:24.52 | mactimes | kristijonas Yup. That's why you need /boot out of the encryption. Otherwise you have no *minimal system* to access the partition and *decrypt* it. |
| 00:25.52 | kristijonas | mactimes, right. but in /boot there is no information about logical volumes, volume groups, etc. is there? |
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| 00:26.24 | mactimes | kristijonas The automated partition is set up so that the system will be installed this way. But if you set up your system manually, and make every single partition into crypt-luks, your system won't load. |
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| 00:27.23 | stonner | ubuntu vs debian, which is the best? |
| 00:27.23 | mactimes | kristijonas With this specific setup, no. All information about your LVM resides in the /dev/sda5 (whatever the content of it is). |
| 00:27.39 | TJ- | kristijonas: mactimes With "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" the /boot/ partition can be encrypted too |
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| 00:28.17 | stonner | ubuntu vs debian, which is the best? |
| 00:28.23 | mactimes | TJ- Oh, yeah. But that's recent support, right? |
| 00:28.59 | kristijonas | TJ-, I believe mactimes is trying to explain me the basic idea of how it works. |
| 00:29.41 | mactimes | stonner http://bit.ly/1oby84x |
| 00:31.23 | kristijonas | mactimes, ok, we have /dev/sda1 with a *minimum system" load which is capable of decrypting the /dev/sda5 now. |
| 00:31.42 | mactimes | kristijonas Right. |
| 00:32.15 | TJ- | kristijonas: Once the kernel has loaded and begins executing the scripts in the initrd.img, udev is started and devices are discovered and correctly configured. Tools identify the data type in each block device and call the appropriate facility to correctly populate the block device. In the case of an encrypted root-FS, cryptsetup is called and uses /conf/conf.d/cryptroot to figure out how to unlock and add a device-mapper block device for the root-FS. When that b |
| 00:32.15 | TJ- | lock-device appears udev again identifies its contents, sees an LVM PV, and calls 'vgchange -ay" with it as target, which leads to the LV block devices being populated |
| 00:33.46 | TJ- | kristijonas: The root file-system LV will then be found usually via its path or UUID, and the root file-system can then be pivot-mounted ready for starting the system's init daemon |
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| 00:34.30 | kristijonas | TJ-, thank you for explaining me. |
| 00:34.53 | mactimes | kristijonas ^^ - And *THAT* is what a true pro answer looks like. =) |
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| 00:35.57 | mactimes | kristijonas Finishing installation here. Just a bit more. |
| 00:36.19 | kristijonas | mactimes, yeah, that was a really deep explanation |
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| 00:37.03 | kristijonas | mactimes, okay, I have plenty of time tonight :) |
| 00:37.36 | TJ- | kristijonas: I've recently been writing a complete illustrated guide to booting... it might help you, especially the flow-chart: https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/ |
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| 00:38.53 | kristijonas | TJ-, thx, bookmarked it. |
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| 00:50.51 | kristijonas | mactimes, have you finished installing? |
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| 00:51.24 | mactimes | kristijonas Yup. Just give me a sec. Got a customer on the phone. |
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| 00:54.40 | electricprism | What DIFF tools do devs here use? |
| 00:56.04 | nkuttler | mostly git-diff |
| 00:56.30 | fragtastic | regular diff works too |
| 00:57.02 | nkuttler | doesn't do colored though, does it? not that it would matter for me, as i have all code under git |
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| 00:59.35 | electricprism | great, I'll try git-diff thx |
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| 01:00.47 | rryoumaa | i use emacs, but colordiff will work for you |
| 01:00.56 | rryoumaa | git diff does color too |
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| 01:12.07 | jcbjoe | are we allowed to use the aptitude from the command line ? its very intersting the ~n -V or whatever |
| 01:12.10 | jcbjoe | does anyone use it ? |
| 01:12.30 | jake07 | hi |
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| 01:13.18 | dvs | jcbjoe: I forbid you from using aptitude on the command line. ;-) |
| 01:13.46 | jcbjoe | lol |
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| 01:13.59 | jcbjoe | it seems complicated or is it ? |
| 01:14.19 | jcbjoe | dvs, it seems more ppowerful then apt do you agree or not ? |
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| 01:14.34 | Rusty1 | if oyu have a gui you might find synaptic easier to use |
| 01:14.40 | Rusty1 | *you |
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| 01:14.51 | jcbjoe | naw i want to do it from cli |
| 01:14.59 | dvs | jcbjoe: It does a better job at seeking alternatives if package dependencies are having trouble. |
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| 01:21.23 | mactimes | kristijonas I'm back. |
| 01:21.51 | kristijonas | mactimes, welcome back. |
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| 01:23.00 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok, boot into the system, log in as root. |
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| 01:24.02 | mactimes | kristijonas Ready? |
| 01:24.08 | kristijonas | mactimes, I am chatting on the same computer that I have problems with. This is the only one that I have. But I have Android phone |
| 01:24.46 | mactimes | kristijonas Hummm. |
| 01:25.22 | mactimes | kristijonas Do you have an installation CD ready, in case things go wrong, right? |
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| 01:26.05 | kristijonas | mactimes, no I don't, and I don't have any empty CDs left to burn it, but if things go wrong, I will just ask a friend to burn it for me tomorrow. |
| 01:26.22 | mactimes | kristijonas Alright, then. |
| 01:26.53 | kristijonas | mactimes, anyways, I'll let you know (since I have IRC client on my phone) |
| 01:27.08 | mactimes | kristijonas You're on a regular user account, right now? |
| 01:27.29 | dvs | kristijonas: No USB flash drives? |
| 01:27.36 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes, a registered account. |
| 01:27.50 | mactimes | kristijonas Yeah, you'd better get connected on the phone. We're going to have to umount some partitions. |
| 01:28.34 | mactimes | kristijonas Before you log out, just get me the output for some commands. |
| 01:28.49 | kristijonas | okay |
| 01:28.50 | mactimes | kristijonas This one: 'lvm vgs' |
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| 01:31.13 | Terje_ | Hi! I am using the Gallium 0.4 on AMD BARTS graphics driver, and want to locate my xorg.conf - i don't see it in /etc/X11... where could it be/what should i do? |
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| 01:32.30 | kristijonas | mactimes, http://pastebin.com/fCjJZHWQ |
| 01:32.34 | mactimes | Terje_ updatedb && locate -ie xorg.conf |
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| 01:32.41 | mactimes | kristijonas kristijonas Now, for 'lvm lvs' |
| 01:33.51 | kristijonas | mactimes, http://pastebin.com/SHpbtgwC |
| 01:34.13 | Terje_ | mactimes: Awesome. Could you tell me why i needed to updatedb before locate would find it? O_o |
| 01:34.29 | themill | !empty xorg.conf |
| 01:34.30 | dpkg | Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>. |
| 01:35.01 | Terje_ | ... nice |
| 01:35.27 | mactimes | Terje_ themill has your answer. updatedb before locate makes sure the database used by locate is up-to-date. |
| 01:36.00 | mactimes | kristijonas Good. Now, go to the phone, log out of the computer. |
| 01:36.04 | Terje_ | Alright, now i am a bit suprised as i have a "50-vmmouse.conf", why is this? |
| 01:36.20 | Terje_ | (I am tinkering with my mouse" |
| 01:36.28 | Terje_ | ) <- here is missing left brace |
| 01:36.34 | Terje_ | close brace* |
| 01:37.41 | kristijonas | mactimes, how to I log out? can I just use CTRL + ALT + F1? |
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| 01:38.29 | mactimes | kristijonas Not really, if you're logged in with any account different than root. |
| 01:39.20 | blackjack | hello |
| 01:39.21 | plm | just a curious: is possible to have a static ip in a interface eth0 and add a alias eth0:0 where eth0:0 is DHCP? |
| 01:39.30 | mactimes | kristijonas Next step, we will umount /home. Since root home directory is out of /home (/root), this makes things simpler and safer. |
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| 01:39.56 | blackjack | how do i uninstall another instance of OpenJDK java? I already have the latest version 7 but it seems version 6 is still on my system. how do i delete version 6? |
| 01:39.58 | kristijonas | mactimes, root is disabled by default, when I need to run something as root, I either use "sudo prefix" in every sentence, or I use "sudo '-s" and then I don't need to use sudo anymore. |
| 01:40.59 | mactimes | kristijonas So, enable it. Just do 'sudo passwd -u root'. |
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| 01:41.39 | mactimes | kristijonas If you don't remember the password, 'sudo passwd root' |
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| 01:41.44 | warcques | yo |
| 01:41.54 | plm | anyone? |
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| 01:42.21 | kristijonas | mactimes, passwd: unlocking the password would result in a passwordless account. You should set a password with usermod -p to unlock the password of this account |
| 01:42.25 | mactimes | kristijonas You'll login with root after logging out from this user account and pressing ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 01:42.57 | mactimes | kristijonas Then, 'passwd root' |
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| 01:43.52 | kristijonas | mactimes, done |
| 01:44.20 | warcques | So I just installed openBSD on my /dev/sda, and now I'm trying to get Debian on the same device in the last unallocated 40 GiB or so. Debian installer just shows the (previous) btrfs partition over the whole disk tho in manual partitioning. Any idea what's happenning here? |
| 01:44.36 | mactimes | kristijonas Just log out, try ctrl+alt+f1 login as root and see if it works. |
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| 01:46.02 | kristijonas | mactimes, I've set the password, but still can't log in as root |
| 01:46.52 | mactimes | kristijonas Try that 'usermod -p root' and see what you get. |
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| 01:47.38 | mactimes | kristijonas Forget that last line. For -p you'd have to provide a crypt password. Let's keep it simple. |
| 01:48.06 | mactimes | kristijonas Just do this: "sudo passwd root', then "sudo passwd -u root" |
| 01:48.25 | mactimes | kristijonas IF you still cannot log in, let me know what message you get. |
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| 01:49.55 | kristijonas | mactimes, I got: login incorrect |
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| 01:50.44 | blackjack | how do i uninstall an old version of java? |
| 01:50.49 | mactimes | kristijonas 'sudo passwd root'. Just give it a simple password. You can lock the account again later if you wish. You're just unlocking it now for this procedure. |
| 01:50.58 | blackjack | it seems that i have two version of java already installed |
| 01:51.28 | kristijonas | mactimes, I set a very simple password, easy to type, and still getting that error. |
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| 01:52.10 | mactimes | kristijonas Try typing the password in the login field and see if what you type is exactly what you're getting on the GUI. |
| 01:52.45 | mactimes | kristijonas Set it to something like 'chan123ge', or so. |
| 01:53.13 | kristijonas | mactimes, I really type the same password. I double checked. |
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| 01:53.52 | mactimes | kristijonas In the GUI, instead of sudo -s', just do 'su' and see if you can log in. |
| 01:54.23 | kristijonas | mactimes, I can log in now. I'm sorry for being slow. |
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| 01:55.08 | mactimes | kristijonas No problem. So, confirming, you hit ctrl+alt+f1, logged in as root, right? |
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| 01:56.25 | kristijonas | mactimes, yeah. but I've logged out from the previous account, so Gnome still runs with that account @ F7 |
| 01:56.33 | kristijonas | I've NOT* |
| 01:56.34 | warcques | Would debian installer be incapable of even seeing openbsd ufs partition? |
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| 01:57.07 | mactimes | kristijonas So, do that, log out from the account at F7, let me know from the phone. |
| 01:57.20 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob This account, right? |
| 01:57.37 | kristijonas-mob | Mactimes, yes |
| 01:57.49 | kristijonas | How do I log out? |
| 01:58.11 | themill | blackjack: you'd uninstall the relevant packages -- but note that you might not be able to do so as openjdk-6 was the default java in wheezy and so some package explicitly depend on it, even if you're actually using them with openjdk-7. |
| 01:58.33 | mactimes | kristijonas click on your name in the top right corner, log out. |
| 01:59.02 | kristijonas | mactimes, but then again, gdm3 will automatically start, can I just "service gdm3 stop"? |
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| 01:59.51 | mactimes | kristijonas Hahaha. I was about to suggest that. But wanted you to logout normally. I'd tell you to stop gdm3 from the root account. |
| 02:00.02 | blackjack | i see ok themill, thats the reason why when i installed openjdk-7, my application that relies on java still did not work and tried to download its own copy of java, which is the jdk-6 |
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| 02:00.19 | woshty | I have a laptop that, during boot, switches to about half brightness. I can increase it back up with the appropriate keys. Any ideas on how to fix that? It is an older Acer model. |
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| 02:00.32 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob Ready? |
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| 02:00.42 | kristijonas-mob | Mactimes, well i just stopped gdm3, so now i am at f1 logged in with root |
| 02:00.52 | kristijonas-mob | Yea |
| 02:00.56 | blackjack | making my install of java double |
| 02:01.14 | themill | blackjack: I'm talking about packages here. I have no idea what your application is doing and why on earth it's trying to download things |
| 02:01.27 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob type 'w' and hit enter. Confirm that only root is logged in. |
| 02:01.30 | jcbjoe | yea im not using aptitude |
| 02:01.31 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 02:01.34 | jcbjoe | that gui is hard |
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| 02:02.24 | kristijonas-mob | Mactimes, by trying to log in, i also logged it as root @tty4 |
| 02:02.36 | kristijonas-mob | But only root is logged in |
| 02:02.39 | jcbjoe | can i search other repos with apt-cache ? |
| 02:03.00 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob Does your system automatically log in when you boot it? |
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| 02:04.11 | kristijonas-mob | Mactimes, well, Gnome display manager starts and then I have a little gui screen where I choose user and type password |
| 02:05.08 | plm | hey all, just a curious: is possible to have a static ip in a interface eth0 and add a alias eth0:0 where eth0:0 is DHCP? |
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| 02:05.37 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob That's a 'no', then. Here is what you're going to do. ctrl+alt+f1, type 'reboot' and hit enter. When gdm3 (*that gui*) shows up, hit ctrl+alt+f1, log in as root and let me know. DO *NOT* log into the GUI. |
| 02:05.49 | mactimes | kristijonas-mob Let me know when ready. |
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| 02:06.54 | kristijonas-mob | Mactimes, ok |
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| 02:08.02 | Terje_ | What if i have a space in a directory? How do i specify that directory as f.x a command line option in the GNOME terminal? |
| 02:08.07 | jcbjoe | dang debian is hard |
| 02:08.09 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 02:08.57 | shay_shay | I do not agree |
| 02:09.01 | shay_shay | :D |
| 02:09.05 | woshty | Fixed it via udev. |
| 02:09.05 | jcbjoe | i installed weechat right |
| 02:09.11 | shay_shay | Right |
| 02:09.12 | jcbjoe | it won't even load scripts or plugins shay_shay |
| 02:09.13 | Terje_ | Disregard my question, i've found out you just use quotes. |
| 02:09.22 | jcbjoe | weechat-core weechat-plugins |
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| 02:09.24 | jcbjoe | nothing loads |
| 02:09.27 | Terje_ | shay_shay: It is relatively hard ;) |
| 02:09.37 | shay_shay | Jcbjoe join me in #weechat I will help you |
| 02:09.40 | Terje_ | shay_shay: relative to ubuntu i mean |
| 02:10.24 | kristijonas-mobi | Mactimes, done |
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| 02:12.07 | kristijonas-mobi | Mactimes, i logged in to root |
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| 02:16.44 | jcbjoe1 | how many packages aren't updated for wheezy ? |
| 02:17.00 | jcbjoe1 | i had to add a repo just to get weechat working ? is this like this for every package or certing ones ? |
| 02:17.43 | woshty | Another question: How would I go about ctrl:nocaps with wheezy? |
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| 02:18.02 | mactimes | kristijonas Sorry, got something to eat. |
| 02:18.10 | mactimes | kristijonas So, you're now root, right? |
| 02:18.26 | mactimes | kristijonas umount /home |
| 02:18.46 | kristijonas | Mactimes, yes, and on the phone (not to confuse you, cant log in to -mob) |
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| 02:19.23 | kristijonas | Mactimes, umount /home. Done. No errors. |
| 02:19.35 | mactimes | kristijonas Roger that. |
| 02:20.04 | mactimes | kristijonas lvm vgck -v server |
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| 02:20.29 | mactimes | kristijonas Any errors? |
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| 02:20.57 | kristijonas | Using vg on command line, finding vg 'server' |
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| 02:21.31 | kristijonas | Mactimes, no errs. |
| 02:21.35 | mactimes | kristijonas Perfect. Have you made up your mind about the new size for 'home' ? |
| 02:22.16 | kristijonas | Mactimes, i dont know, i need enough space for ROOT. And the rest for HOME. |
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| 02:22.49 | kristijonas | Mactimes, i have a 1TB HDD |
| 02:23.28 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok, lets get 18G out of home and move it to root. You'll have enough space yet. |
| 02:23.37 | shay_shay | Tirje_ I dunno Ubuntu seems pretty similar to me. Maybe because I started using debian first |
| 02:23.39 | mactimes | kristijonas Shall we? |
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| 02:24.06 | kristijonas | Mactimes, will additional 18gb for root be enough? |
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| 02:24.32 | mactimes | kristijonas Well, that's a personal computer, right? |
| 02:25.06 | kristijonas | Mactimes, yes, but i am experimenting with different servers, etc, different prgrams |
| 02:25.13 | mactimes | kristijonas Seen that ~10G sufficed so far, 18G more will do it, I guess. |
| 02:25.30 | Terje_ | shay_shay: Ubuntu is very debian-like, but it is still regarded "entry-level" distro, as its shortcuts and behavior is similiar to windows/whatnot. I like debian for that reason, that i began using ubuntu. |
| 02:25.43 | mactimes | kristijonas Should you need more space, well, you'll already know what to do. |
| 02:26.05 | Terje_ | I switched to debian because i like the stability, and dislike the bloatware on ubuntu. Valve praising it also had something to do with it i guess, but i need a solid distro to run my server on. |
| 02:26.06 | kristijonas | Mactimes, let's give +50 gb for root, home will not cry for losing 50gb |
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| 02:26.17 | mactimes | kristijonas If you say... |
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| 02:26.25 | shay_shay | Terje_ I like to see the guts. Similar to the alure of a PC case with a window |
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| 02:26.47 | kristijonas | Mactimes, yep. What's next? |
| 02:26.48 | mactimes | kristijonas Then, just take note of important steps: You've just umounted /home. |
| 02:27.17 | shay_shay | Well didnt ubuntu praise it enough by basing their highly successful commercial distro on it? |
| 02:28.12 | kristijonas | Mactime. Yeah, which I coudnt do before. In fact I could, by commenting some line on /etc/fstab and rebooting pc |
| 02:28.38 | mactimes | kristijonas Next, reduce size of home, to give it to root: 'lvm lvreduce -L 850g -r server/home' (that will take a bit more than 50g from home, but I like working with round numbers. =) |
| 02:29.09 | mactimes | kristijonas *DO NOT* miss any parameters. |
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| 02:29.54 | blackjack | <themill> blackjack: I'm talking about packages here. I have no idea what your application is doing and why on earth it's trying to download things <-- yeah i know. its a chess client on .deb. It tried to download its own OpenJDK but it seems a valid source where it downloaded but again it should not have done it (remind me of windows application that when something is not there, it auto downloads it in its own) |
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| 02:30.35 | kristijonas | Mactimes, resizing. |
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| 02:31.12 | mactimes | kristijonas Don't forget taking notes. =) |
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| 02:32.24 | mactimes | kristijonas 'lvm lvreduce -L <new_size> -r volumeGroup/logicalVolume (the -r is *important*, it tells lvreduce to *also* resize the filesystem) |
| 02:32.36 | Rad-X | Hi hi Hi hi |
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| 02:34.06 | mactimes | kristijonas Let me know when it is done. |
| 02:34.15 | kristijonas | Mactimes, it is done |
| 02:34.26 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok, hold on. |
| 02:34.37 | Rad-X | Oh so it is done? Really? |
| 02:34.42 | Rad-X | I knew it... |
| 02:35.08 | kristijonas | Mactimes, logical volume HOME successfully resized. Ok. |
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| 02:39.03 | mactimes | kristijonas Now, again, do *not* miss any parameters: 'lvm lvextend -l +100%FREE -r server/root' (After lvextend, that is 'minus lowercase L') |
| 02:39.41 | kristijonas | Mactimes, ok. Hold on |
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| 02:40.34 | mactimes | kristijonas Roger that. |
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| 02:41.40 | kristijonas | Mactimes, resizing. |
| 02:41.55 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok. Let me know when it's done. |
| 02:42.46 | kristijonas | Mactimes, done |
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| 02:42.54 | mactimes | kristijonas Any errors? |
| 02:43.24 | kristijonas | Mactimes, no. |
| 02:43.35 | mactimes | kristijonas Just type 'reboot' and hit enter. |
| 02:43.55 | mactimes | kristijonas You're done. =). Check 'df -h' again to see the new sizes. |
| 02:44.12 | mactimes | kristijonas After rebooting the system, I mean. |
| 02:44.36 | kristijonas | Mactimes, okay! I am rebooting :) |
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| 02:45.16 | mactimes | kristijonas See if you can log into the GUI, then 'sudo passwd -l root' to lock your root account again, if you wish. |
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| 02:46.14 | kristijonas | Mactimes, okay |
| 02:48.22 | kristijonas | Mactimes, let me log in to #debian on pc. two seconds. |
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| 02:50.31 | kristijonas | mactimes, I am back. The volumes has been successfully resized! Thank you very much for your time and help! |
| 02:50.47 | mactimes | kristijonas You're welcome. =) |
| 02:51.03 | mactimes | kristijonas Now, remember. |
| 02:51.22 | kristijonas | now, can you explain me several steps which I not quite understood? |
| 02:51.35 | mactimes | kristijonas Should you need to reduce the size of any volumes, make sure you umount them first. |
| 02:51.39 | mactimes | kristijonas Sure. |
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| 02:51.52 | mactimes | kristijonas What have you missed? |
| 02:52.48 | kristijonas | mactimes, the reason why you asked me to enable root account (why was that?) and then, why we had to unmount /home, but not root? |
| 02:53.30 | mactimes | kristijonas Ok. First things first. |
| 02:54.52 | mactimes | kristijonas The 'regular' user account files reside on /home (this was the mount point for the partition you wanted 'reduced'), unless otherwise configured/set up. Are you with me up to this point? |
| 02:55.19 | kristijonas | mactime, yeah. Got it. |
| 02:55.21 | mactimes | kristijonas So, for a regular user account, your files will be on /home/youruseraccount, ok? |
| 02:55.53 | mactimes | kristijonas For root account, his home directory is out of this structure, which is /root. |
| 02:56.23 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes, I understand now. |
| 02:57.09 | mactimes | kristijonas If we had not umounted the partition from /home, lvm lvreduce would have asked you to do it, anyways. I was not sure it would, so I preferred doing it manually. |
| 02:57.19 | mactimes | kristijonas Anything else? |
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| 02:57.44 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes. hold on |
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| 03:00.16 | kristijonas | mactimes, but we haven't unmounted /, and "root" (the logical volume which we extended) was mounted on / |
| 03:00.19 | triffid | hello |
| 03:00.34 | triffid | i am trying to create a .deb file from some code i wrote |
| 03:01.05 | Guest53396 | does anyone know how to do this |
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| 03:01.32 | mactimes | kristijonas Because we were extending it. And 'rebooting' took care of the rest after it was done. Should you have to reduce root, you'd be safer booting with a rescue disk and doing the same. |
| 03:01.43 | Guest53396 | The documentation only dewscribes how to do this after you have a tarball |
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| 03:02.40 | mactimes | kristijonas A live cd would do it, too. |
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| 03:04.02 | kristijonas | mactimes, so technically it was even possible reduce 'home', without unmounting '/home'? |
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| 03:08.26 | mactimes | kristijonas Like I said, to reduce you need to unmount, but if we hadn't done it manually, lvreduce would've asked you anyways. |
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| 03:09.07 | kristijonas | mactimes, thank you very much for explanation. :) |
| 03:09.25 | mactimes | kristijonas Again, you're welcome. |(^_^)| |
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| 03:09.42 | kristijonas | mactimes, I just think I need to read more about mount. |
| 03:10.04 | mactimes | kristijonas Basically, don't mess up with mounted filesystems. |
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| 03:10.06 | kristijonas | mactimes, I was googling before, and I read sentence like: "After you have extended the logical volume it is necessary to increase the file system size to match" |
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| 03:10.47 | mactimes | kristijonas Indeed, but that part has been taken care by the '-r' parameter in both 'lvm' commands. |
| 03:11.20 | mactimes | kristijonas That was an 'all at once' command. |
| 03:12.11 | kristijonas | mactimes, oh, i see at the man page: -r, --resizefsResize underlying filesystem together with the logical volume using fsadm(8). |
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| 03:13.20 | mactimes | kristijonas That's it. If 'Google' is your friend, 'man' is your *best* friend. =) |
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| 03:14.59 | kristijonas | mactimes, yeah. the problem is I'm still a little bit confused about how different components: logical, physical volumes, groups, partitions - fits into one pie. |
| 03:15.08 | kristijonas | mactimes,but i guess it takes time to understand. :) |
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| 03:19.55 | mactimes | kristijonas Try to see it like this: physical volumes are the disks and partitions which you have in your computer. The volume groups are ways of gathering space from those physical volumes, reserving them for purposes related to each other (you can have a volume group, for instance, containing space from several disks, which you'll use for backups, user files, etc). The logical volume is just dividing those volume groups the way you want them. |
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| 03:21.51 | mactimes | kristijonas For instance, you can have 2 disks as part of a volume group (let's say 'corporate-files') and have within that several logical volumes for departments, like 'administration-files', 'accounting-files', etc. |
| 03:23.27 | mactimes | kristijonas lvm is mainly used for growth, like, you can add another disk, add that disk space into your 'corporate-files' volume group and then give, let's say, 'administration-files' a bit more space. |
| 03:23.30 | kristijonas | mactimes, but I really have a physical volume /dev/dm-0 which, and encrypted partition /dev/sda5, do partition and physical volume are two different things. |
| 03:24.01 | mactimes | kristijonas Those are abstraction levels inside abstraction levels. |
| 03:24.20 | mactimes | kristijonas You don't need encryption to have lvm, and vice-versa. |
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| 03:25.25 | mactimes | kristijonas encryption + lvm (what you currently have) provides you with encryption security for your data, plus capability of space growth. |
| 03:25.51 | mactimes | kristijonas But you can have them separately. |
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| 03:26.42 | kristijonas | mactimes, that's interesting, because I always wondered how social networking sites like facebook can handle that much requests. |
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| 03:27.59 | mactimes | kristijonas Here's a tip. Understand basic partitioning first (no lvm, encryption, nothing). |
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| 03:29.17 | mactimes | kristijonas Play with that in a VM. Then, try lvm. Master it. Then encrypted filesystems. Only then, join them all. |
| 03:29.38 | kristijonas | mactimes, yes, step by step. |
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| 03:30.14 | mactimes | kristijonas Just one more for you to play with: raid. |
| 03:30.36 | mactimes | kristijonas Buddy, gotta go. Wife is calling. |
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| 03:31.39 | kristijonas | mactimes, thank you for support again. See ya! |
| 03:33.08 | mactimes | kristijonas Sent you a PM. |
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| 03:58.20 | blackjack | anyone knows a good application thats like yahoo messenger in windows? so as i can use my yahoo account for Instant messaging in debian? |
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| 04:02.10 | danlamanna | blackjack: i use pidgin for all that |
| 04:02.35 | danlamanna | gmail, irc, aim. it supports yahoo as well though. |
| 04:04.34 | pupil | vote for pidgin |
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| 04:11.40 | linuxagain | hey anybody around? |
| 04:12.15 | pupil | hello |
| 04:12.20 | pupil | good morning |
| 04:12.34 | linuxagain | oh wow it is morning |
| 04:12.54 | pupil | i'm in gmt + 7 :) |
| 04:13.09 | linuxagain | im coming from windows 7 and thinking about using debian. ill be fine with my dual monitors right? |
| 04:13.18 | linuxagain | im in est -5 |
| 04:13.31 | pupil | you'll be fine |
| 04:13.57 | linuxagain | cool im downloading a live cd now |
| 04:14.05 | pupil | good for you |
| 04:14.20 | linuxagain | ive used ubuntu and mint before but i hope debian is a challenge |
| 04:14.37 | linuxagain | what can i do on linux that i cant on windows? |
| 04:15.53 | pupil | you can learn how computer operating system works |
| 04:16.19 | pupil | just use your linux to do your daily job |
| 04:17.21 | linuxagain | yea im just looking for some OS excitement |
| 04:17.25 | linuxagain | idk that might sound weird |
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| 06:49.16 | joseph-andre | hi, looking from some answer on how to handle tape drive under squeeze. I got very slow transfer rate with mine, about 1.5Mb/s |
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| 06:54.14 | dev_ | can anyone suggest printers compatible with debian |
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| 06:55.37 | milligan_ | dev_, that's a pretty open question,hehe :) I reckon you're probably better off finding a printer that suits your needs, then google it for debian support. |
| 06:55.55 | milligan_ | You should be able to make most printers work fine though. I have yet to encounter a printer I couldn't make work. |
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| 06:56.27 | dev_ | @milligan thanks |
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| 06:57.41 | pupil | hello guys, if i want to put debian as firewall, what modules are safe to be remove? |
| 06:57.59 | oskie | is it possible to use Ubuntu's shim-signed boot loader to boot Debian over "Secure UEFI"? |
| 06:58.01 | Aaron | anyone knows about how to insert a factoid to a blootbot? |
| 06:58.35 | oskie | <botname>, <factoid> is <fact> |
| 06:58.40 | oskie | just guessing |
| 06:58.53 | milligan_ | pupil, are you sure you wouldn't be better off installing something like i.e pfsense, which is dedicated for the purpose ? |
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| 06:59.47 | pupil | milligan_: it is only for may virtual lab, i want to reduce memory usage of each virtual machine |
| 07:00.06 | milligan_ | pupil, I run pfsense on a 256mb ram alix board ;) |
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| 07:00.41 | pupil | milligan_: but i want to learn iptables configuration |
| 07:01.29 | milligan_ | pupil, yeah, fair enough. guess I was circumventing your question :P I presume you did a plain netinstall or something ? And didn't add anything during the install ? |
| 07:01.46 | Aaron | oskie, i download it a file call apt_dump so i want to insert that into the bot; |
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| 07:02.51 | pupil | it's to risky to do netinstall here, the internet connection is not dependable |
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| 07:17.13 | sathesh | hi all |
| 07:17.34 | sathesh | My production server is getting rebooted every sunday |
| 07:17.54 | sathesh | In the logs I see the fsck got invoked |
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| 07:19.25 | sathesh | i couldnot trace the error |
| 07:19.32 | sathesh | reason for reboot |
| 07:20.28 | pupil | sathesh: your server is rebooted once every week, and you don't know why? |
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| 07:20.46 | themill | cleaner unplugs it? |
| 07:20.50 | pupil | sathesh: are you sure there are no autoscript or cron jobs |
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| 07:24.37 | gribouille | at boot time, jessie starts postgresql, but there is no link in /etc/rc?.d/ to start the service. what does that mean? |
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| 07:25.58 | pupil | gribouille: you want to start the service imediately after boot? try use chkconfig to run the service at desired runlevel |
| 07:26.37 | gribouille | pupil, I dont what the service to be started at all at boot time |
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| 07:26.51 | gribouille | s/what/want |
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| 07:27.09 | afidegnum | good morning to you all, I do I find a human readable Disk size info and RAM info? |
| 07:27.37 | sathesh | there is no cron job related to |
| 07:27.40 | sathesh | reboot |
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| 07:28.05 | pupil | gribouille: still, you can use chkconfig to stop the service from running, set it to off |
| 07:28.06 | sathesh | i have only dconf and man-db in the cron |
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| 07:29.39 | gribouille | /sbin/chkconfig -t postgresql says "postgresql off", but postgreql was started at boot time |
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| 07:30.13 | pupil | gribouille: maybe try: chkconfig postgresql off |
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| 07:30.51 | gribouille | pupil, postgresql is already off |
| 07:30.56 | pupil | sathesh: you sure nobody unplug the power cable and or other simple thing |
| 07:31.26 | pupil | gribouille: innn all runlevel? |
| 07:32.07 | afidegnum | hi, I jhust discover it but please help out, I don't expect a hdd size to be so low after a recent server setup |
| 07:32.09 | afidegnum | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 07:32.11 | afidegnum | rootfs 1.8T 1.4T 335G 81% / |
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| 07:32.23 | afidegnum | can you please help findingout what's eating up my size? |
| 07:32.29 | pupil | afidegnum: check fstab |
| 07:32.46 | pupil | afidegnum: maybe miss configuration in fstab |
| 07:33.10 | bhuddah | afidegnum: run "du -chs /*|sort -h" |
| 07:33.10 | gribouille | pupil, yes |
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| 07:33.25 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 07:34.12 | sathesh | pupil:can u give me any clue |
| 07:34.58 | sathesh | pupil: nobody is there on sunday at office to unplug the power |
| 07:35.16 | bhuddah | have you checked anacron too? |
| 07:35.33 | pupil | sathesh: i don't know, i think it is related to hardware, ram, power supply, etc |
| 07:36.26 | gribouille | what is the debian boot sequence? |
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| 07:36.59 | afidegnum | ok, I fould it... my backup is eating up my HDD size |
| 07:37.04 | sobersabre | hi guys. I'm trying to edit my gpg keys, and "it doesn't work": either via gpg CLI or seahorse (gnome's keys manager) |
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| 07:37.47 | pupil | gribouille: wow, that's a lot to write |
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| 07:38.06 | gribouille | pupil, is it documented somewhere? |
| 07:38.56 | sobersabre | acc. to the documentation of gpg, I'm supposed to run gpg --edit-key <ID>, then type in "passwd", and get prompted for the old password. |
| 07:39.00 | pupil | gribouille: may you want to try this: https://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd |
| 07:39.11 | sobersabre | well, I do get the text about the need to use old password, but no prompt. |
| 07:39.19 | sobersabre | is it maybe some PAM sh1t ? |
| 07:39.36 | gribouille | pupil, is the boot logged somewhere on the system? |
| 07:39.37 | sobersabre | I mean PAM related misconfig |
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| 07:39.56 | pupil | check the link to get boot log |
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| 07:44.01 | dexta | morning |
| 07:44.25 | dexta | there is a url spam bot in here |
| 07:44.26 | dexta | fn'lammy |
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| 07:47.13 | anvil2 | hmm |
| 07:47.14 | Myrtti | morning |
| 07:48.12 | dexta | ;] |
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| 07:51.51 | kevc | is there an official way of switching psql to by psql (9.1) on a system with both 9.1 and 8.4 support? |
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| 07:52.12 | stonner | debian uses ufw like ubuntu? |
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| 07:55.19 | shingouz | stonner: looks like apt-cache search spits out some hits on that, i would say you can use it if you want |
| 07:55.25 | gribouille | I've just installed bootlogd and restarted, but /var/log/boot contains "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" |
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| 07:57.48 | Disconsented | So I just installed debian onto my laptop |
| 07:58.00 | Disconsented | But grub was installed to my flash drive not my HDD |
| 07:58.24 | Disconsented | Any ideas on how to install grub to my HDD? I would assume I would just apt-get install grub |
| 07:59.31 | stonner | shingouz, ok |
| 07:59.44 | stonner | shingouz, thx |
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| 08:00.21 | shingouz | stonner: when you are in need of some software, do an apt-cache search for it first |
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| 08:01.19 | gribouille | where does the system know which service to start at boot time? |
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| 08:02.27 | shingouz | gribouille: /etc/init.d |
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| 08:04.11 | shingouz | gribouille: also /etc/rc?.d is where the symlinks for the init.d scripts reside |
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| 08:06.52 | gribouille | I see that jessie uses both systemd and sysvinit |
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| 08:08.54 | xiqy | Disconsented: grub-install <device> |
| 08:09.17 | xiqy | Where <device> is your HDD's device file, probably /dev/sda |
| 08:09.24 | Disconsented | Cheers |
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| 08:10.37 | stonner | shingouz, i am not on debian, i am on ubuntu, because this i asked |
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| 08:10.57 | ngo | fedora |
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| 08:11.17 | Dewi | ngo: no |
| 08:11.27 | babilen | judd: v ufw |
| 08:11.28 | judd | Package: ufw on i386 -- squeeze: 0.29.3-1; wheezy: 0.31.1-2; sid: 0.33-2; jessie: 0.33-2 |
| 08:11.38 | babilen | stonner: As you can see ^^^ it is packaged |
| 08:11.52 | babilen | (but then: do you *really* need a firewall on your personal system?) |
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| 08:12.42 | Disconsented | http://pastebin.com/S6jEghD2 /? |
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| 08:13.20 | shingouz | stonner: there is also the fact that if you run ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu. besed on debian is not the same as debian |
| 08:13.42 | xiqy | Disconsented: Did you try to install grub to /dev/sda1? |
| 08:13.50 | Disconsented | yep |
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| 08:13.58 | Disconsented | "grub-install /dev/sda1" |
| 08:14.03 | xiqy | Then try /dev/sda instead. |
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| 08:14.44 | Disconsented | that sorted it |
| 08:14.45 | Disconsented | Cheers! |
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| 08:24.55 | smartass | milligan_: IIRC there is a kernel option to optmize for size |
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| 08:25.39 | smartass | milligan_: you could also select a more aggressive image compression ... just might load a little longer |
| 08:26.04 | milligan_ | smartass, how would I do that? I pretty much need to create an image that I am going to dd to a dedicated partition |
| 08:26.20 | smartass | milligan_: but of course, the easiest part is to cut the included modules ;) |
| 08:26.54 | smartass | milligan_: the two things are a kernel option in make *config |
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| 08:28.29 | smartass | personally uses nconfig, but menuconfig will do |
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| 08:29.58 | milligan_ | Im in the menuconfig now |
| 08:30.30 | milligan_ | Can't see any options for compressing though |
| 08:30.52 | shingouz | milligan_: include only the modules you really need. on the target box, you you *really* need the compaq smart array driver or some weird and wonderful hauppauge isa analog tv card driver? |
| 08:30.56 | milligan_ | Also .. come to think of it .. compressing the image won't do me much good, will it? I am still dd'ing it to a dedicated partition. |
| 08:31.14 | smartass | milligan_: somewhere in general options IIRC |
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| 08:31.17 | milligan_ | shingouz, I did remove excess modules .. but I was still left at 2.1 MB |
| 08:31.22 | shingouz | ouch |
| 08:32.45 | smartass | milligan_: not sure what's wrong with compressing it |
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| 08:33.23 | milligan_ | smartass, where in the menuconfig can I find this compression setting? |
| 08:33.42 | shingouz | compressing the image cuts down the space needed on disk, when the thing is actually running it is not compressed in ram |
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| 08:35.22 | smartass | milligan_: look for CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE |
| 08:35.48 | milligan_ | smartass, will that be in menuconfig or in the Makefile itself? |
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| 08:36.01 | smartass | milligan_: in menuconfig |
| 08:36.18 | smartass | milligan_: F8 IIRC turn the search on |
| 08:36.37 | milligan_ | From the default config I loaded (and modified), arch/arm/configs/ts7300_defconfig:CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y |
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| 08:40.01 | smartass | milligan_: another way to approach this is to base your config on one from a kernel that was supplied with teh hardware, if available |
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| 08:41.35 | milligan_ | problem with that is that the stock is a 2.4 kernel, and I need to go to 2.6 :P |
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| 08:44.26 | smartass | milligan_: that is unfortunate indeed ... you could try oldconfig anyways, but YMMV |
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| 08:45.11 | milligan_ | I'm so tempted to just trash these old cards. |
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| 08:45.41 | smartass | that's how the market works these days ;) |
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| 08:46.24 | smartass | milligan_: what's wrong with running 2.4 on them? 2.6 is no doubt a little bigger |
| 08:46.30 | milligan_ | That being said .. throwing them away would be a massive defeat. I hate losing. |
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| 08:47.05 | milligan_ | I need php5 and a never version of java. The arm ports of debian stop at lenny, and lenny wants 2.6 |
| 08:47.24 | smartass | you only fail if you fail to learn from a failure ;) |
| 08:48.31 | smartass | milligan_: try oldconfig first .... it just might work if the setup is simple enough |
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| 08:48.45 | milligan_ | "make oldconfig" ? |
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| 08:49.15 | smartass | milligan_: back up your .config first though ... then copy the stock .config on its place and then do make oldconfig |
| 08:50.08 | milligan_ | I'm not sure I can get at the old config .. It's dd'd into a dedicated partition (meaning the image itself resides on the partition, without a filesystem). |
| 08:50.47 | smartass | milligan_: if the image has /proc/config.gz, you might be able to find it |
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| 08:51.09 | milligan_ | No config.gz in /proc :( |
| 08:52.35 | smartass | milligan_: it might be just /proc/config |
| 08:52.54 | Disconsented | I want to install deluge above the 1.3.3 for magnetic link support however running apt-get-install just returns "deluge is already the newest version." Ideas? |
| 08:53.05 | milligan_ | smartass, ls /proc | grep -i con gave nothing |
| 08:53.26 | mr_foobar_baz | Hi, I am on wheezy using the 3.14 kernel from backports. linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 works fine, but I can't boot linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 from grub2 (waiting for my LUKS encrypted root times out). I don't understand why it asks for the LUKS passwort with bpo.1 but not with bpo.2... Can you please help me? |
| 08:53.57 | mr_foobar_baz | *password :) |
| 08:54.00 | smartass | mr_foobar_baz: perhaps you didn't update the initramfs or grub |
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| 08:54.19 | smartass | milligan_: that is with the running 2.4 stock kernel? |
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| 08:54.48 | milligan_ | smartass, correcto |
| 08:54.57 | smartass | milligan_: you could also try this http://anders.com/cms/415/Linux/Kernel/Config/CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC |
| 08:55.54 | smartass | judd: v deluge |
| 08:55.55 | judd | Package: deluge on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; jessie: 1.3.6-1.1; sid: 1.3.6-1.1 |
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| 08:56.21 | mr_foobar_baz | smartass: When installing the newer kernel it says it's generating grub.cfg. I tried manually running grub-install afterwards but that didn't change anything. How can I manually update initramfs? |
| 08:56.33 | smartass | Disconsented: ^^ you'd have to backport deluge from testing |
| 08:56.51 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: Debian uses scripts that begin "update-"... |
| 08:57.00 | milligan_ | smartass, nope. Seems to be hidden away. This is some oddball Compact Flash setup where there is a bootrom on the mother board .. and it switches from fastboot to CF boot and all sorts. |
| 08:57.37 | Disconsented | So the fastest thing to do would be to install a new version? |
| 08:57.49 | smartass | Disconsented: new version of what? |
| 08:57.55 | Disconsented | deluge |
| 08:58.04 | Disconsented | The heck since when where there bots on here/? |
| 08:58.11 | Disconsented | Ad bots* |
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| 08:58.22 | smartass | dpkg: tell Disconsented -about ssb |
| 08:58.43 | Disconsented | cheers |
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| 08:59.14 | jelly | Disconsented: if you notice any, use !ops nickname (what kind of ad bot, if it's private /msg or not) |
| 08:59.29 | Disconsented | [20:57:41] <dedondee> show gratis (solo hooy) --> http://s422803032.mialojamiento.es/ |
| 08:59.40 | smartass | Disconsented: got that a few minutes ago too |
| 08:59.47 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I ran update-grub2. I'll reboot and see if it works. brb. |
| 08:59.54 | babilen | Disconsented: Please don't repaste spam, but notify !ops of the problem |
| 09:00.02 | Disconsented | Sorry |
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| 09:00.28 | babilen | yeah, tag team! :) |
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| 09:01.23 | smartass | milligan_: and do you need the new kernel specifically for php5? what about running the stock kernel with lenny on top |
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| 09:01.40 | formorer | smartass: won't work. |
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| 09:01.54 | formorer | udev and libc have problems with such old kernels. |
| 09:02.08 | smartass | that's possible ... |
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| 09:03.20 | smartass | milligan_: another idea: when running the stock, try doing make local*config ... can't remember the exact name, look at `make help` |
| 09:04.19 | smartass | milligan_: I think it was something like localyesconfig ... should enable only the bare minimum needed for the current hardware |
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| 09:05.35 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: didn't change anything :/ |
| 09:05.45 | joseph-andre | hi, I encounter a problem with my tape drive on debian squeeze with kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64. the transfert rate is very slow and acting ackward. It took the same time to transfer 40Mo and 2Go of data. |
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| 09:06.37 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: what about 'update-initramfs' |
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| 09:07.06 | Walex | joseph-andre: that can depend on the tape drive and on the files you are trying to read or write to disk. |
| 09:07.23 | Walex | joseph-andre: but thanks for sharing with us your thoughts |
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| 09:11.43 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: ah, that looks better. reboot brb |
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| 09:11.56 | joseph-andre | Walex: my problem is my backup takes ages to complete. My tape drive is a dell powervault for LTO4 (IBM model) |
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| 09:12.47 | Disconsented | So dpkg "4) install the resultant debs." how do I do that? Or should it be a simple google question? |
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| 09:14.06 | joseph-andre | Walex: I would like to get rid of this slowness. |
| 09:14.14 | shingouz | Disconsented: man dpkg :"dpkg -i packagename.and.path" |
| 09:14.29 | Walex | joseph-andre: thanks again for letting us know what you would like :-) |
| 09:15.21 | Walex | joseph-andre: and what happens when you do the same backup to '/dev/null', how long does it take? |
| 09:15.24 | jelly | joseph-andre: which software do you use for backups and does it set a large enough block size? |
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| 09:16.20 | jelly | to avoid shoe-shining, LTO4 should be give something like at least 50MB/s |
| 09:16.28 | jelly | given* |
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| 09:16.42 | joseph-andre | Walex: I use the basic mt tool from debian. Not tried yet /dev/null |
| 09:17.17 | joseph-andre | jelly: so far the block size is set to zero in order to be variable |
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| 09:18.03 | joseph-andre | jelly: I am more around 1.5MB/s |
| 09:18.34 | joseph-andre | jelly: that is why I looking for help on the matter |
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| 09:19.26 | jelly | joseph-andre: in that case, definitely test with /dev/null as write device to find out whether your source can support that LTO4 at all |
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| 09:19.54 | jelly | joseph-andre: after that, I'd fix the block size to 32KiB or maybe even more |
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| 09:21.17 | joseph-andre | jelly: I try with /dev/null then with dd or tar to test different block size. I read that my tape drive supposedly support 512K. |
| 09:21.52 | jelly | the device probably does. I don't know whether Linux does, these days. |
| 09:22.38 | jelly | mind you, dding /dev/zero won't be really appropriate since the firmware does compression before writing to tape by default |
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| 09:23.12 | jelly | so if you test, provide a stream of more random-looking data some way |
| 09:23.13 | joseph-andre | jelly: We use to run under centos and it work like a charm. But since we are under debian, we have to make tweaks in order to make it work. Manufacturer always shipped infos for RED HAT like :( |
| 09:23.18 | fishsponge | hello! in the past, my 2nd HDD failed, so I replaced it (it's all in RAID1) which means it booted up fine. I then re-RAID'd the drives. Now my 1st HDD has failed, so I've replaced it again... so does anyone know how to put the boot-up sequence on both HDDs? Basically, when it's RAID1 everything is on both HDDs, but when you remove the 1st HDD it won't boot at all... so does anyone know how to do this? |
| 09:23.35 | jelly | joseph-andre: and redhat tunes their driver settings to actually work |
| 09:24.45 | joseph-andre | jelly: then I will try with tar -b 32 -cvf /dev/st0 /data as a start |
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| 09:25.25 | jelly | joseph-andre: not nst0? Well, your call |
| 09:25.50 | Walex | fishsponge: the RAID1 thing only applies to the partitions that you put in RAID1. The boot code is not in a parrtition. |
| 09:25.51 | jelly | media is cheap anyway |
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| 09:26.37 | joseph-andre | jelly: I always use st0, maybe that is my problem. As I remember difference is rewinding (st0) and not rewinding (nst0) |
| 09:26.49 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: Ok so.. I updated the initramfs for all my kernels, then I had the same problem on all of them. I had to restore /boot from a backup to boot. A while ago, I moved debian from another drive's LUKS partition to this one and changed the LUKS partition's UUID to the old one so it would be found on boot since I had already spent a day trying to get it to work with the new UUID... |
| 09:27.42 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: you may know what you just wrote means, but it reads as gibberish to me because it presumes a context that I don't know. |
| 09:27.57 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: Sorry. |
| 09:28.23 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: that's pretty common, don't worry too much. |
| 09:28.37 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I ran update-initramfs -k all -u. Now the problem (LUKS partition not being found) occurs with all kernels. |
| 09:29.02 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: perhaps your new 'initramfs' does not have LUKS modules. |
| 09:29.29 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: or perhaps the LUKS volume gets decrypted and perhaps as you said the UUID is not the right one. |
| 09:29.49 | joseph-andre | jelly: I have to wait the end of the backups before proceeding... But I let you know whether it worked or not. Thanks for the advice |
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| 09:29.56 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I don't get the "please enter your password" prompt |
| 09:30.01 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: usually the '/etc/fstab' in the 'initramfs' is taken from rthe '/etc/fstab' of the running system |
| 09:30.24 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: so perhaps you did not ask for the LUKS modules to go into the 'initramfs'. |
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| 09:30.57 | L0aD1nG | in which files should a GFX crash report be located? |
| 09:31.03 | L0aD1nG | nvidia one |
| 09:31.14 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: if you use LUKS you have to take care that LUKS is included in the boot process in other words |
| 09:31.29 | jelly | joseph-andre: how many files are there on the /data mountpoint? |
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| 09:31.33 | babilen | L0aD1nG: /var/log/X11/Xorg.0.log (I told you about that yesterday already) |
| 09:31.42 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: How can I check if the LUKS module is included? |
| 09:31.55 | L0aD1nG | yea |
| 09:32.01 | jelly | joseph-andre: if you have lots of small files, tar will likely have problems streaming fast enough |
| 09:32.06 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: Should I have my encrypted root drive in /etc/crypttab |
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| 09:32.11 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: ? |
| 09:32.49 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: well most likely. But it looks like you have an encrypted '/boot' drive |
| 09:33.02 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: or else you are telling us what is happening. |
| 09:33.13 | jelly | joseph-andre: this means you might have to create a staging space to generate large .tar files first, and then destage them (in a sequential stream) to tape |
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| 09:34.18 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: /boot is on a plain ext2 partition /dev/sda3. A LUKS container is on /dev/sda4 that contains my LVM volumes for root, swap and home |
| 09:34.21 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: if you want to use LUKS you need to have an in-depth understanding of how the boot process and the tools related to it work, because LUKS adds quite a bit of complexity to it |
| 09:34.47 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: then '/etc/crypttab' needs to be informed. |
| 09:34.54 | L0aD1nG | babilen: I want to thank you so much much for the support yesterday, also kill_-9_1 helped me thank you too |
| 09:35.16 | L0aD1nG | The whole story was that I made an accident |
| 09:35.28 | Walex | mr_foobar_baz: and '/etc/fstab' needs to have the UUID or other identifier of the 'root' filesystem |
| 09:35.55 | L0aD1nG | I added a repo on the source.list and then I upgraded the whole thing lol |
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| 09:36.13 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Which repository did you add? |
| 09:36.17 | L0aD1nG | then I installed the driver and fucked up |
| 09:36.17 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I wish I would understand it but I am not sure where to begin examining it. Ok so I'll put "debian UUID=<uuid of /dev/sda4> none luks" in /etc/crypttab. /etc/fstab already contains /dev/mapper/debian-root which should be available after decryption |
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| 09:37.53 | joseph-andre | jelly:my data is composed of tar and md5 files. Tar files are multiple gigs and md5 few megabytes. I use 'tar -rf' to append file file to tape |
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| 09:41.35 | jelly | joseph-andre: so that ought to stream well, unless the tar files are unreasonably fragmented |
| 09:42.01 | L0aD1nG | babilen: I can find it but it contained ".sid" in it |
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| 09:43.40 | fishsponge | Walex, I know that RAID1 only does partitions, but do you know how to put the booting procedure onto both drives? |
| 09:43.45 | babilen | L0aD1nG: That would be one of the development branches of Debian and nothing you want to *ever* mix with stable. |
| 09:43.50 | jelly | joseph-andre: in my experience a 10GB file with text or similar well-compressible date gets written to LTO4 at some 100-150MB/s, so it shouldn't take more than a minute or two |
| 09:44.13 | L0aD1nG | I cant find it now babilen but it contained a ".sid" on the domain |
| 09:44.18 | joseph-andre | jelly:It take around the same time to stream a large tar thant a single md5 file of 90MB |
| 09:44.26 | L0aD1nG | yea |
| 09:44.40 | L0aD1nG | and I installed the nvidia driver for stable |
| 09:44.45 | L0aD1nG | :D |
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| 09:45.02 | joseph-andre | jelly:a md5 file of 90MB 1 hour :( |
| 09:45.28 | L0aD1nG | first time doing such a mistake |
| 09:45.42 | L0aD1nG | on the 10th person that I have installed debian |
| 09:45.54 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Yeah, that would completely break a system. We call these systems "Frankendebian". Never mix stable with anything but backports. |
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| 09:46.34 | babilen | L0aD1nG: You shouldn't install Debian on humans. Our cortex architecture is still an experimental feature. |
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| 09:46.44 | L0aD1nG | haha |
| 09:46.58 | L0aD1nG | babilen: why not lets spead Debian! |
| 09:47.23 | jelly | joseph-andre: yeah, that's horribly wrong. If your disk is fast enough, 200-400GB/hour would be a more sensible backup speed |
| 09:47.57 | L0aD1nG | they can make sense of it babilen, the most of them react like they took a new computer (Switching from Windows...) |
| 09:48.24 | jelly | joseph-andre: an interesting exercise to do could be taking centos 7 or centos 6 kernel, booting that on your debian system and see how st devices perform |
| 09:48.38 | L0aD1nG | I am out goodbye |
| 09:49.00 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Yes, you would install Debian *for* other humans rather than *on* them. |
| 09:50.33 | Iridos | well, it might be an improvement on some people |
| 09:51.53 | joseph-andre | jelly: it's a production server and we have no other sas card to link the tape drive to. Thus I cannot test |
| 09:52.22 | jelly | you can't schedule downtime? |
| 09:53.08 | fishsponge | hello! in the past, my 2nd HDD failed, so I replaced it (it's all in RAID1) which means it booted up fine. I then re-RAID'd the drives. Now my 1st HDD has failed, so I've replaced it again... so does anyone know how to put the boot-up sequence on both HDDs? Basically, when it's RAID1 everything is on both HDDs, but when you remove the 1st HDD it won't boot at all... so does anyone know how to do this? |
| 09:53.15 | fishsponge | Walex, I know that RAID1 only does partitions, but do you know how to put the booting procedure onto both drives? |
| 09:53.58 | joseph-andre | jelly: the data disk is a raid 0 composed of 2 15K hard drive. No problem at all with the raid, it is working as expected |
| 09:54.16 | jelly | fishsponge: you can run grub-install on any disk |
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| 09:55.33 | MrTopless | Hi can someone help me optimize mysql on this rig: http://pastebin.com/VfM5WmQe |
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| 09:58.48 | SynrGy | probably not. looks like directadmin customizes the hell out of standard debian LAMP :p |
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| 10:00.05 | SynrGy | channel #mysql perhaps? |
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| 10:01.03 | ratsupremacy | Howdy. Is there a way to set environment variables globally? I want to "bake" certain configs into a server when prebuilding the, so *any* app (launched via shell or cron or otherwise) has access to these. |
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| 10:04.03 | Brigo | as far as environment variables as *variables*, a program will be able to get an environment with diferent variables or even without them. |
| 10:04.58 | fishsponge | jelly, so do I just run "grub-install" or should I put something after it on the cmdline? |
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| 10:05.29 | tinoco | back |
| 10:06.10 | jelly | fishsponge: um, read its manual and figure out how to put it on the second disk |
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| 10:06.31 | jelly | fishsponge: could be something like grub-install /dev/sdb |
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| 10:07.23 | jelly | and avoid asking the same question in the multiple channels at the same time |
| 10:07.28 | fishsponge | jelly, so in order to make it boot from the second HDD, all I do is this single command: grub-install /dev/sdb - correct? |
| 10:07.35 | jelly | will leave ##linux to deal with fishsponge |
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| 10:09.43 | jelly | ratsupremacy: Debian has /etc/environment, and it's read and activated via PAM. Any pam-enabled service and its descendant processes can use that, if pam_env module is enabled in their configuration. |
| 10:10.17 | jelly | ratsupremacy: cron and ssh and login services are all pam-enabled |
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| 10:10.25 | fishsponge | jelly, so in order to make it boot from the second HDD, all I do is this single command: grub-install /dev/sdb - correct? |
| 10:10.39 | jelly | fishsponge: try it and see. |
| 10:10.50 | ratsupremacy | jelly: Nice |
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| 10:11.03 | ratsupremacy | so I can just stick env vars in there? How standard is that across distros? |
| 10:11.09 | jelly | !environment |
| 10:11.09 | dpkg | /etc/environment is a file for login variables, which is read by all standard Debian login methods. Lines are of the form variable=value (e.g. LANG=C). N.B.: this is *not* a shell script, so you cannot use lines like MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ here. Use of this file has been deprecated for locale information, use /etc/default/locale; ask me about <locales>. |
| 10:11.14 | ratsupremacy | I think we're sticking to debian, but you never know. |
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| 10:11.29 | SynrG | I think for other distros, you need to do your own research. |
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| 10:11.57 | jelly | ratsupremacy: most distros have something similar, but you'll have to read their own docs |
| 10:12.00 | ratsupremacy | so this is done on login? IE if I just make a new shell it doesn't show up in env |
| 10:12.04 | ratsupremacy | jelly: thanks! |
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| 10:12.41 | jelly | ratsupremacy: correct, updates only appear on new ssh/console/X session login |
| 10:13.03 | SynrG | ratsupremacy: upstream doc: http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_env.html |
| 10:13.09 | SynrG | i.e. not a debian invention |
| 10:13.15 | jelly | because it's sshd that does pam_env, not your shell |
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| 10:13.37 | fishsponge | jelly, thanks again... well I've just run the command on a different computer, and it's come with this output: Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 10:13.45 | fishsponge | so I will try it when I get home. |
| 10:13.52 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: That change to /etc/crypttab didn't fix anything, the result was that after booting my old working kernel (the one with bpo.1) and decrypting the root partition as usual I get a second password prompt to decrypt it again (which doesn't work ofc) |
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| 10:15.27 | ratsupremacy | jelly: Thanks, this seems perfect. |
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| 10:16.19 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: brb reboot.. |
| 10:16.42 | eskatrem | did anybody experience a problem with skype on debian recently? |
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| 10:17.52 | jelly | eskatrem: 4.3 fails to work for me on debian testing i386. 4.2 still works but it has problems if I have a different device with skype logged in to the same user coming out with the same public IP address |
| 10:18.16 | MY123 | eskatrem: I think that it is not working well since ever. Never got it to work on amd64. It may run under Wine. |
| 10:18.24 | eskatrem | jelly: OK, I'll go for 4.2 then |
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| 10:18.55 | MY123 | eskatrem: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 10:18.59 | eskatrem | It sued to work fine for me until like 1 month ago, where I wasn't able to connect. I'll try 4.2 and if it doesn't work wine |
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| 10:19.03 | jelly | MY123: it ought to Just Work on wheezy amd64 with multiarch and i386 enabled |
| 10:19.06 | eskatrem | MY123: amd64 |
| 10:19.55 | eskatrem | what's "i386 enabled" ?? |
| 10:20.22 | MY123 | eskatrem: Got it to only work in a proot. You may be lucky. |
| 10:20.23 | jelly | !multiarch howto |
| 10:20.24 | dpkg | [multiarch howto] http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 10:20.31 | jelly | eskatrem: read that ^^ |
| 10:21.13 | eskatrem | MY123: I probably was, because I installed it and it just worked. |
| 10:21.29 | jelly | eskatrem: to be able to even install skype's debian package, i386 foreign architecture needs to be enabled. |
| 10:22.16 | eskatrem | jelly: OK, I think I did something like that |
| 10:22.37 | eskatrem | for some reason I can't find the version 4.2 online |
| 10:23.09 | eskatrem | oh hang on, I was running 4.2, maybe that's why |
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| 10:25.22 | Tony__ | Hi guys, so I am reinstalling Debian squeeze and seem to be getting into some issues. My WiFi cards (I have a built in WiFi card and and AWUS036NH) use non-free firmware files and I am unable to locate the file for the AWUS036NH adapter. It says I need the file "rt2870.bin," but I am unable to find it. I have come across some results that look close, but have yet to actually find that file. |
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| 10:26.27 | jelly | Tony__: /msg judd file rt2870.bin |
| 10:26.35 | jelly | Tony__: also, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 10:26.49 | jelly | Tony__: also, why debian 6 instead of 7? |
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| 10:28.53 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: It works now after adding the line "sdc5_crypt UUID=9e96810d-78d3-425e-910f-45e7ba10dd91 none luks |
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| 10:29.55 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: to /etc/crypttab with "sdc5_crypt" instead of "debian". The LVM PV was called "sdc5_crypt" before I migrated the system to a new harddrive and called the new PV "debian". |
| 10:30.43 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I am still wondering why it still expects it to be called "sdc5_crypt". I can't find any configuration files containing that string. |
| 10:31.09 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: did you remember to update-initramfs after changing crypttab? |
| 10:31.52 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: Yes, I changed crypttab to the line I just posted and ran update-initramfs |
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| 10:32.34 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: That way it works. But only if I call it "sdc5_crypt". I wonder why. |
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| 10:35.13 | _cypha | Hello :-) i was wondering what os the easiest way to migrate an entire debian installation (services, users, files etc) from an actual machine to a VM. Suppose the vm has the same debian version freshly installed and all you have is ssh access to it. |
| 10:35.30 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: Actually that's not the PV name, it's just the name used for the LUKS drive after decrypting it (/dev/mapper/sdc5_crypt). |
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| 10:35.50 | jelly | _cypha: P2V tool from vmware seems to work well |
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| 10:36.25 | _cypha | And if it's not a vmware vm? |
| 10:36.41 | xiqy | If you have ssh access you could just rsync it. |
| 10:37.00 | jelly | _cypha: I don't have experience with migrating to not-a-vmware-vm, sorry :-) |
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| 10:37.35 | jelly | you can just go ahead and treat it like a manual migration to a different machine |
| 10:38.04 | jelly | _if_ it's a proper VM solution that lets you boot your own kernel |
| 10:38.15 | _cypha | I could but doing it manually will take me 2-3 afternoons :-P |
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| 10:38.55 | jelly | that just means you don't have enough experience migrating systems! |
| 10:39.00 | _cypha | I'll try rsync for sure and hope it doesn't overwrite anything important :-P |
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| 10:39.24 | jelly | rsync is just a copying tool. It will overwrite whatever you tell it to overwrite. |
| 10:40.05 | xiqy | Yeah, maybe that wasn't such a good idea. |
| 10:40.21 | jelly | _cypha: use --numeric-uids if you plan to transfer /etc/passwd and friends from the source machine. |
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| 10:40.28 | Walex | fishsponge: mr_foobar_baz 'sdc5_crypt' would be the name of the LV. There is likely in the 'initrd' a line with that |
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| 10:40.52 | jelly | xiqy: it's 20% of a good idea |
| 10:41.10 | _cypha | Jelly so what do you suggest for the manual migration? I usually install all the same packages again automatically, re-create the users and then transfer the configs/directories for all the services i need |
| 10:41.12 | SynrG | _cypha: see rsync --dry-run and --verbose |
| 10:41.38 | SynrG | _cypha: this will allow you to check sanity before commiting to overwriting stuff |
| 10:41.50 | _cypha | Ok noted :-) |
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| 10:42.33 | jelly | _cypha: I use rsync and fix the naughty bits manually. A non-exhaustive list of naughty bits includes: fstab, boot loader, a kernel that works with all the drivers |
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| 10:43.07 | SynrG | and when it comes to the boot loader, don't forget devices.map. there's mkdevicemap for that |
| 10:43.23 | SynrG | er, device.map |
| 10:43.38 | jelly | _cypha: network configuration if it's different; udev rules for interfaces if they have different MAC addresses |
| 10:44.07 | SynrG | yep. you can just nuke your old udev autogenerated rules and let the new machine generate these |
| 10:44.13 | jelly | _cypha: in other words, the usual stuff to check when migrating to different hardware |
| 10:44.14 | SynrG | (same goes for autogenerated optical devices) |
| 10:44.39 | SynrG | see /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 10:46.16 | _cypha | took notes and will attempt it tomorrow. :-) |
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| 10:46.23 | _cypha | Thx guys :-) |
| 10:46.27 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 10:48.21 | SynrGy | _cypha: so generally, i would create an empty virtual disk for the VM, boot a live image on the VM, prep the new filesystem on the virtual disk from that, rsync to it, fix up stuff we mentioned, reboot. |
| 10:49.00 | jelly | have console access ready when it inevitably fails to boot |
| 10:49.05 | SynrGy | :) |
| 10:49.17 | SynrGy | jelly: ever the optimist |
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| 10:50.22 | jelly | was _quite_ surprised when his home workstation booted right away after the last time it got migrated to fresh hardware |
| 10:50.23 | SynrGy | and as a final step, install the VM's support pkgs in the final system to get good video driver, etc. |
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| 10:50.37 | madmac2501 | I have a debian package with a pre-depends >= version of another package, but this dependency is not installed before the postinst and the installation fails |
| 10:50.47 | SynrGy | or ... you may be able to do it the other way around. |
| 10:50.57 | SynrGy | install the VM support pkgs on the current non-VM system |
| 10:51.09 | SynrGy | they just won't do anything until xferred to the new system. |
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| 10:51.26 | madmac2501 | the other package was installed, but it is not updated to comply with the pre-depends version |
| 10:51.38 | jelly | madmac2501: at which point "apt-get -f install" to make apt fix things |
| 10:52.00 | SynrGy | madmac2501: sounds like you may have installed the package with the pre-dep via dpkg -i ? |
| 10:52.11 | madmac2501 | it is installed via a debian repository |
| 10:52.33 | madmac2501 | apt-get -f install just gives me the same error, it doesn't try to install the pre-depends |
| 10:52.34 | SynrGy | in any case, apt-get -f install should fix it up, no matter how it got in this broken state. |
| 10:52.52 | jelly | madmac2501: that wouldn't have worked at all if the pre-dependency wasn't satisfied. Can you show the whole output? http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:52.53 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: I found it "./conf/conf.d/cryptroot:target=sdc5_crypt,source=UUID=9e96810d-78d3-425e-910f-45e7ba10dd91,key=none,rootdev,lvm=debian-root" |
| 10:52.55 | SynrGy | is this a package you made yourself? a third-party package? what? |
| 10:53.03 | madmac2501 | I made it myself |
| 10:53.17 | SynrGy | so, 'apt-cache policy packagename' may help |
| 10:53.30 | SynrGy | also, see #debian-mentors for packaging help |
| 10:53.41 | babilen | (on irc.oftc.net) |
| 10:53.42 | SynrGy | (#debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net, that is) |
| 10:53.43 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: But I dont't know where that line comes from when running update-initramfs. I don't have a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot. |
| 10:54.08 | madmac2501 | uhm, this is for a custom project, not to be integrated into debian |
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| 10:54.18 | SynrGy | doesn't matter. that's the place for help |
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| 10:55.37 | furious | A package I installed depends on another package I installed manually, from source code. I installed the parent package through dpkg with --ignore-deps but now apt-get and aptitude keep complaining about unmet dependencies. Is there a way of marking a dependency as "resolved"? |
| 10:55.40 | madmac2501 | jelly, http://pastebin.com/PiMpkdZb |
| 10:55.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell madmac2501 -about pastebin.com |
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| 10:57.05 | madmac2501 | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/116528/ |
| 10:57.11 | SynrG | furious: first, i question the validity of what you're trying to do in the first place. generally if a package has deps they should be there and ignoring them or forcing is a bad idea. |
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| 10:57.25 | SynrG | furious: packages built for other distros shouldn't be installed on your distro. |
| 10:57.31 | SynrG | !frankendebian |
| 10:57.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 10:57.38 | jelly | madmac2501: this isn't really a pre-depends issue, the postinst script from alienvault-crypto (4.12-5) seems just buggy |
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| 10:57.58 | SynrG | furious: assuming you're just going to ignore my advice anyway and try to continue to make it work, see equivs. |
| 10:58.00 | SynrG | !equivs |
| 10:58.01 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 10:58.14 | madmac2501 | jelly, the postinst depends on another package to be installed |
| 10:58.28 | madmac2501 | I think pre-depends was made for that |
| 10:58.33 | madmac2501 | I though... |
| 10:58.38 | MY123 | I wonder if a Debian package which compile itself in preinst would pass lintian. |
| 10:59.07 | jelly | madmac2501: while you're testing your own packages, note that if you install over a package with the same exact version, dpkg will NOT use new scripts |
| 10:59.26 | SynrG | furious: if you have a *legtimate* use case, please explain. but the fact you needed --ignore-* is a bad sign |
| 10:59.29 | MY123 | ( it would be madness, through) |
| 10:59.35 | furious | Thanks SynrG! The thing is that the debian package is outdated and it's a single depencency package that depends on it so i don't think it's such a big deal |
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| 10:59.56 | madmac2501 | jelly, this was an update from the beginning, all packages had an old version |
| 10:59.57 | jelly | madmac2501: dpkg --purge alienvault-crypto and try again, see what changes |
| 11:00.05 | SynrG | furious: yep. well, you're wandering off into unsupported territory in any case, so consider moving away from this package asap. |
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| 11:00.13 | madmac2501 | jelly, ok, I will try |
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| 11:00.49 | madmac2501 | jelly, same error |
| 11:00.52 | SynrG | furious: it would be better if you could use a not-outdated package instead. try building the package from source & updating its deps to build against your distro. |
| 11:00.56 | furious | SynrG: it's not like it's possible, there aren't too much alternative, the packages are vit and task (taskwarrior) |
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| 11:01.20 | SynrG | furious: wow. why would be using old ones? |
| 11:01.38 | SynrG | furious: i'm somewhat involved with taskwarrior. can we move this discussion to #taskwarrior please? |
| 11:01.48 | furious | SynrG: heh, ok! |
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| 11:02.08 | jelly | madmac2501: well, that just means the dependencies for alienvault-crypto (4.12-5) are still incomplete or incorrect |
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| 11:02.36 | jelly | madmac2501: which package and version is supposed to provide /usr/bin/alienvault-system-id |
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| 11:03.01 | madmac2501 | jelly, ossim-utils 4.12-5 |
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| 11:03.41 | jelly | madmac2501: then make alienvault-crypto (4.12-5) Depends: ossim-utils (>= 4.12-5) |
| 11:03.59 | madmac2501 | uhm, depends and pre-depends ? |
| 11:04.04 | jelly | just depends. |
| 11:04.35 | madmac2501 | jelly, I think I should read again about pre-depends |
| 11:04.54 | madmac2501 | I though it was made to handle postinst script dependencies |
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| 11:05.39 | jelly | madmac2501: Depends is good enough to make sure postinst of ossim-utils comes before postinst of alienvault-crypto |
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| 11:06.12 | madmac2501 | jelly, if pre-depends is strictier, then why it doesn't work? |
| 11:06.56 | jelly | madmac2501: show "apt-cache show alienvault-crypto ossim-utils" or at least "dpkg -s alienvault-crypto" |
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| 11:08.12 | madmac2501 | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/116529/ |
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| 11:10.52 | edoardo | hello |
| 11:10.58 | edoardo | i have a crontab on my debian server |
| 11:11.05 | edoardo | but i can't find the source |
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| 11:11.12 | madmac2501 | jelly, I am reading documentation and I don't understand why pre-depends doesn't work if it is strictier than depends |
| 11:11.21 | edoardo | i only know that's giving me errors because i get an email every hour |
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| 11:11.42 | edoardo | ERROR CoreConsole[2014-08-20 11:05:01] [572cd] ERROR: During Piwik init, Message: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 11:12.18 | jelly | madmac2501: actual versions have epochs, so you need ossim-utils (>= 1:4.12-5) |
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| 11:13.18 | madmac2501 | jelly, you are right, thanks a lot |
| 11:13.37 | jelly | madmac2501: in general, Pre-Depends are used very sparingly |
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| 11:15.51 | jelly | madmac2501: (things would probably work if you changed all of those to just Depends, possible exception being alienvault-openssl as I don't know at which point you're using that) |
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| 11:18.44 | madmac2501 | jelly, I prefeer to be on the safe side and use pre-depends to not think very much about dependencies |
| 11:20.16 | jelly | madmac2501: pre-deps in wrong place can make apt unhappy, esp. when it has to figure huge upgrades |
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| 11:21.11 | madmac2501 | jelly, :) yes, I have experienced that, at the end I test the updates and try to not make circular-dependencies |
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| 11:24.13 | madmac2501 | jelly, again thanks a lot, I didn't see that 1: |
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| 11:28.48 | mr_foobar_baz | Walex: Looks like update-initramfs just gets the cryptroot name from the currently running system instead of a configuration file. A bit lame but now I know how to change. Thanks for your help. |
| 11:28.58 | mr_foobar_baz | *change it |
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| 11:31.52 | Tony__ | Having trouble mounting a USB while installing wheezy using graphical install. I removed the USB (I'm installing from a USB and only have 1 working USB port) to transfer over some non-free firmware files, but can't get it mounted again. I've tried mount /dev/sdb /media/cdrom, but get back that there is no such existing file or directory. |
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| 11:32.11 | Tony__ | What is the correct command? |
| 11:32.13 | watchd0g | TRYING SDB1 ? |
| 11:32.19 | Tony__ | Ok, let me se |
| 11:32.21 | watchd0g | sdb is the whole device |
| 11:32.32 | watchd0g | you got partitions on that device |
| 11:32.37 | watchd0g | try ls -al /dev/sdb* |
| 11:32.43 | watchd0g | maybe an /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:32.47 | watchd0g | /dev/sdb2 |
| 11:32.48 | watchd0g | etc |
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| 11:33.35 | babilen | Tony__: You are installing from USB and would like to provide firmware, is that correct? Which image do you use for installing? |
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| 11:36.51 | Tony__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.13 | Tony__ | The standard one. |
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| 11:37.36 | babilen | Ah, unetbooting breaks our images. And what is "the standard one" ? |
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| 11:38.53 | dontknow | what is the best way to follow debian mail lists? |
| 11:39.11 | babilen | dontknow: You subscribe to them and read them in a suitable mail client (e.g. mutt) |
| 11:39.12 | dontknow | what software should i use? |
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| 11:39.49 | babilen | You might prefer other mail clients though (icedove, claws, kmail, ...) |
| 11:41.13 | dontknow | what would you suggest? |
| 11:41.19 | babilen | Tony__: I'd like to help you but I cannot really do that without more information. Which image did you download? Which desktop environment (if any) do you want to install? On which operating system are you preparing the USB stick? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 11:41.59 | babilen | dontknow: I use mutt, but that is a bit "special" and I wouldn't necessarily suggest it. The other three I mentioned are all worth a look. |
| 11:42.16 | dontknow | babilen, ok |
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| 11:42.32 | Tony__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ DVD-1 there. I've been able to install this exact same OS on the exact same computer with unetbootin (it had way more bloatware than I wanted so I just scrapped the install). I had to remount the USB drive that time too. However, I must be doing something differently this time as I'm unable to mount it. Preparing on Windows. No Internet connection. |
| 11:42.47 | babilen | Yes, don't use unetbootin. |
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| 11:43.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tony__ about win32imagewriter |
| 11:43.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tony__ about win32diskimager |
| 11:44.20 | babilen | Tony__: Use that tool to write the image and then create a VFAT (NTFS?) filesystem on the second partition of your USB stick. Download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.zip and *unpack* it there and you should be good to go. |
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| 11:49.07 | linuxthefish | configure: error: jpeglib.h not found. |
| 11:49.14 | linuxthefish | how do i fix this when compiling php in debian? |
| 11:49.21 | linuxthefish | libpng12-dev is already the newest version. |
| 11:49.56 | nkuttler | !tell linuxthefish about apt-file |
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| 11:56.08 | linuxthefish | aptitude install apt-file |
| 11:56.13 | dontknow | babilen, i just want to read this https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ in icedove. so how can i add this? |
| 11:56.18 | linuxthefish | root@augustus ~ # apt-file search libXpm.(a|so) |
| 11:56.18 | linuxthefish | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 11:56.18 | linuxthefish | :(( |
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| 11:56.54 | babilen | dontknow: You subscribe to it. That can be done on the page you linked. |
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| 11:57.46 | themill | linuxthefish: you'll need to quote fancy characters. If you want to use a regexp, you'll also need to give apt-file with -x |
| 11:57.49 | jelly | linuxthefish: single quotes around things with ( or | |
| 11:58.26 | dontknow | babilen, i mean i want to see all archive |
| 11:58.47 | mmc | is there any way for "apt-get (dist)upgrade" to warn me when a package (the new version) to be installed comes from a different source than the previously & currently installed version? |
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| 11:59.59 | babilen | dontknow: That isn't possible, you can browse the archive online or you might find a usenet mirror such as http://gmane.org/ with a NNTP client |
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| 12:00.30 | Eleganza | anyone that plays warsow here? |
| 12:00.53 | dontknow | babilen, uggh. it is best to read in internet page then |
| 12:01.16 | babilen | Eleganza: Just ask your real question |
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| 12:01.25 | babilen | (unless that was your real question) |
| 12:01.44 | Eleganza | I can't run it on debian |
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| 12:01.52 | babilen | Why not? |
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| 12:02.05 | Eleganza | Using /root/.warsow-1.5 for writing |
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| 12:02.06 | Eleganza | fs_basepath is write protected. |
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| 12:02.30 | ChrisH | starting games is one thing, but doing it as root |
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| 12:03.07 | babilen | Tony__: So, did that work better? |
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| 12:05.05 | Tony__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.14 | Tony__ | as I've pretty much dove in headfirst from Windows. |
| 12:06.20 | babilen | Tony__: So you just tried what I suggested and it didn't work out for you? |
| 12:06.46 | babilen | unetbootin breaks our installers. You shouldn't use it. |
| 12:06.52 | Tony__ | I did not try installing with win32diskimager. However, I tried those commands you suggested without any luck. |
| 12:06.58 | babilen | (and I'm not going to support that) |
| 12:07.05 | babilen | Which commands? |
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| 12:08.23 | Tony__ | I think it was watchd0g who suggested some options. <watchd0g> sdb is the whole device [04:32] <watchd0g> you got partitions on that device [04:32] <watchd0g> try ls -al /dev/sdb* [04:32] <watchd0g> maybe an /dev/sdb1 [04:32] <watchd0g> /dev/sdb2 [04:32] <watchd0g> etc |
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| 12:09.31 | Tony__ | I know there is an answer because I've done it before. I'd hate to scrap the install at this point, because I've already spent a lot of time figuring out how to get the non-free firmware files installed correctly. I understand your opinion on unetbootin though and don't plan on using it in the future. |
| 12:09.52 | nanonyme | Hey, if I wanted to make a plugin (does one already exist?) that would only keep N (configurable) latest kernels, would this be a plugin for apt or dpkg? And do relevant plugin API's already exist? |
| 12:09.57 | Tony__ | And may try an install with win32diskimager if I can't get past this roadblock |
| 12:11.36 | SynrG | Tony__: i have never seen success with unetbootin. |
| 12:12.06 | SynrG | There's nothing more to discuss until you use the correct tool |
| 12:12.28 | Tony__ | I installed it successfully with unetbootin two weeks ago. I think I'll keep Googling. |
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| 12:13.52 | babilen | Tony__: Okay, please accept that we cannot support in you in that case. I wonder, however, why you don't simply try the way that is known to work. But all the best! |
| 12:14.00 | babilen | s/in// |
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| 12:22.40 | Trbo | Tony__: if you extract the .iso, i believe you will find a .img there? |
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| 12:25.48 | Tony__ | I don't wish to install it with a different tool because I have already overcome many of the obstacles I've faced during this installation process (these obstacles quite possibly may have been caused by unetbootin) and scrap the installation when I know I only have 1 more roadblock to get past...a roadblock I've gotten past before. I don't think the issue in this case is unetbootin, but rather my lack of access to a DVD for installati |
| 12:25.49 | Tony__ | ANyway, I'm going to start over with win32diskimager. Even though I know I can install it successfully with unetbootin, I don't have the freedom to risk having any vulnerabilities in the OS or encryption. Thanks for the help guys - I'll be back soon either happy with the success or asking more questions. |
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| 12:26.19 | Trbo | Tony__: u can do it win32diskmanager, if you only could answer my one question, i can help you |
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| 12:26.50 | Dixi | Hey there.. I got some questions in regards to connection logging. |
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| 12:27.11 | ftc- | Tony__: i had a weird problem installing recently that i was sure had nothing to do with using unetbootin. when i finally gave up and reinstalled from a DD'ed iso it worked for me. i've found USB booting to be generally dodgy. went out and bought a spindle of of blank dvds the other day to make life easier. i've wasted too much of my life trying to get flash usb shit working. |
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| 12:28.43 | babilen | ftc-: dd is neither necessary nor the best choice. I'd recommend just using cp for copying the image to your usb if you are on *nix |
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| 12:29.09 | xiqy | babilen: Why cp rather than dd? |
| 12:29.17 | ftc- | babilen: yeah i did cp actually, was just saying dd as that's more commonly known |
| 12:29.25 | babilen | xiqy: Because it has a less insane syntax and will be faster by default |
| 12:30.08 | Dixi | We have been court ordered by the police to investigate a clients server, about fraud committed through a server on a specific date.. Ive never done this before, so I am wondering if someone will help me do this correctly, so I dont get the wrong logs etc and hand over stuff to the police thats gathered incorrectly. |
| 12:30.15 | babilen | dd really is only needed if you want to express things such as "Copy ten blocks of 512 bytes from /dev/sda with an offset of five blocks" (or so) |
| 12:31.08 | cast | its useful in that you can get the progress of the copy out of it |
| 12:31.37 | babilen | cast: I'd prefer dcfldd in that case or just use pv |
| 12:31.58 | cast | pv is great, haven't heard of dcfldd, looking now |
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| 12:33.22 | ftc- | Dixi: you might be better off asking a specific question, nobody knows if they can help if they don't know the question |
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| 12:33.50 | Dixi | I need to find out who connected to the server on a specific date and time, ssh, web, etc |
| 12:34.31 | babilen | Dixi: First and foremost create an image of the data on that server and don't investigate on a live system. And then work on *copies* of those images. |
| 12:34.40 | Dixi | thats done babilen |
| 12:34.45 | Dixi | 2 copies to be excact.. |
| 12:34.47 | babilen | Dixi: http://forensicswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 12:34.55 | ChrisH | Dixi: You might want to hand this over to someone more experiended in your complany as someones reputation might be affected if you investigate incorrect. |
| 12:35.20 | babilen | And this also isn't really a Debian issue nor are we the right group to advise you on this. |
| 12:35.36 | DammitJim | what tool can I use to monitor a wireless connection? I don't know why I am getting disconnected from WiFi (on different APs) |
| 12:35.41 | Dixi | im only asking what logs I should get from it |
| 12:35.52 | Dixi | which logs would contain stuff like that |
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| 12:36.05 | linuxthefish | configure: error: utf8_mime2text() has new signature, but U8T_CANONICAL is missing. This should not happen. Check config.log for additional information. |
| 12:36.10 | linuxthefish | wtf does this mean in the php? :( |
| 12:36.22 | Dixi | ehhh.. |
| 12:36.27 | Dixi | Ask in #php ? |
| 12:36.41 | ChrisH | Dixi: any logs, depending on the configuration of the applications. For curiosity, I assume you are located in the US. |
| 12:36.48 | Dixi | no, denmark |
| 12:36.56 | MY123 | Dixi: Which logs Ã? Try in #linux |
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| 12:37.20 | MY123 | *Ã* ##linux |
| 12:37.30 | ftc- | Dixi: if its apache, /var/log/apache2/* ... the IPs will be in there, but you'll have to match it up with the user somehow |
| 12:37.48 | Trbo | linuxthefish: ask in #php but i assume you're using imap? and imap usually requires ssl |
| 12:38.04 | Dixi | we will just hand over the IP's connected to the server at the time of the crime |
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| 12:38.20 | Dixi | the police can figure out who has the IP with their ISP |
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| 12:38.47 | linuxthefish | Dixi you do computer forensics? |
| 12:38.49 | mhoney | recommendations for an inexpensive 10gb ethernet adpter? |
| 12:38.59 | Dixi | no, ive never done forensics |
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| 12:40.00 | MY123 | Dixi: Do you have its HDD ? |
| 12:40.32 | Dixi | yes |
| 12:41.04 | DanDare | Dixi, yo should start asking back what type of information they want from you so you can tell them if it's possible or not. You must gather what type of logs you have or not, in what conditions etc. The may be expecting something you dont have (or do have) |
| 12:41.16 | Mo | Hi. Is Iceweasel Debian only? I can't find on other Distros. |
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| 12:41.31 | MY123 | Dixi:A USB disk reader ? |
| 12:42.36 | bezaban | Mo: it is re-branded mozilla, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 12:42.49 | Dixi | they are just interested in the ip activity on a specific date and time, in particular, if an ip from that server connected to a website where the crime took place |
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| 12:43.26 | Mo | bezaban: Hm, on Knoppix 7.1 I updated to latest Iceweasel, but I can't activate Firefox Sync 2.0 to my account. Isn't that supported? |
| 12:43.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mo -about why iceweasel |
| 12:44.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mo -about knoppix |
| 12:44.05 | MY123 | Dixi: Plug the HDD into a test PC , booted from USB. (nà ow) |
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| 12:44.23 | bezaban | Mo: knoppix is based on debian, but I don't have much experience with it and not with that aspect of it at all :) |
| 12:44.26 | Dixi | we acutally put the HDD in a similar server and booted it |
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| 12:45.17 | DanDare | Dixi, im not the best person to tell but I think you should check how your infrastructure works, whats logged whats not. Network traffic belongs not only on port 80 but it may be a myriad of things. What your traffic control is actually logging or not? Its up to your company to find out whats available (logged) and where |
| 12:45.24 | MY123 | Dixi: lsblk : run that coomand |
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| 12:47.48 | DanDare | like, checking logs on the part client has access/control is not wise.. it may be just cleaned out/deleted etc |
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| 12:50.10 | Dixi | a side note |
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| 12:50.35 | Dixi | If we boot a privious kernel, it will still show the current software installed etc etc? |
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| 12:52.01 | MY123 | Dixi: It may be vi'used and useless. |
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| 12:52.48 | Dixi | if I try to boot the current kernel, i get the error: cannot read the linux header. etc |
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| 12:53.19 | jelly | that "etc" is important if you want to fix it |
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| 12:53.39 | Dixi | you need to load the kernel first |
| 12:53.45 | Dixi | that error, followed by that |
| 12:53.59 | Dixi | error: cannot read the Linux header error: you need to load the kernel first |
| 12:54.01 | MY123 | Dixi: DON'T BOOT ON THE HACKED SERVER.YOU MAY DESTROY USEFUL DATA. |
| 12:54.14 | Dixi | im booting a copy |
| 12:54.23 | Dixi | i have taken 2 copies and still have the original |
| 12:54.25 | jelly | Dixi: can you show a screenshot (taken with a phone, camera or whatnot) that shows the whole thing? |
| 12:54.31 | Dixi | yes |
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| 12:57.12 | DanDare | I'm willing to host my own email server. Any suggestion on good online, updated material about doing it on Debian? |
| 12:57.27 | ftc- | take the photo with a whatnot, they're the best |
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| 12:58.15 | DanDare | Only part of my site that I dont manage myself is email but it must be changed. It's just some very few mailboxes |
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| 12:58.17 | Brigo | DanDare, workaround.org |
| 12:58.32 | DanDare | thanks Brigo, will check that |
| 12:58.41 | Brigo | DanDare, np :) |
| 12:59.09 | Dixi | Here you go : http://s28.postimg.org/r3897egwt/tilpolitiet.jpg |
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| 12:59.26 | Dixi | after that, it goes back to grub menu |
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| 12:59.27 | rob_ | hi, can anyone tell me how to make dhcp add the 'search' line to /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 13:00.00 | rob_ | dhclient.conf does have 'request domain-search' so i'm not sure why it wouldn't be adding them |
| 13:00.12 | ChrisH | rob_: client or server side? |
| 13:00.17 | rob_ | ChrisH: client |
| 13:00.31 | babilen | rob_: You might want to use resolvconf and "dns-search" in your /e/n/i |
| 13:00.35 | rob_ | (other machines on my network write the 'search' string to /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 13:00.49 | MY123 | Dixi: Try boot with an older kernel. |
| 13:01.00 | Dixi | i did that successfully |
| 13:01.09 | babilen | rob_: Or is your DHCP server already supplying the correct search entry? |
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| 13:01.12 | rob_ | babilen: preferably i'd like dhcp to do everything.. |
| 13:01.13 | Dixi | I just want to be sure, that the contents of the server is the same, even with an older kernerl |
| 13:01.24 | rob_ | babilen: does work fine for other operating systems on the network (ubuntu) |
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| 13:02.01 | babilen | rob_: Okay, you might want to elaborate on the way you configured those interfaces |
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| 13:02.16 | MY123 | Dixi: Go to /var/log |
| 13:02.36 | rob_ | babilen: nothing special, same as debian |
| 13:02.49 | rob_ | babilen: both use dhclient |
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| 13:04.13 | rob_ | babilen: dhclient.conf looks identical apart from for some dhcp6 stuff in ubuntu |
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| 13:04.19 | ChrisH | rob_: I would expect the server to push that if there set eg. via option domain-search "dom1 dom2 dom3"; |
| 13:04.37 | mns | how do I control the fan speed on my thinkpad ? it is constantly on, whether plugged in or unplugged. even when the laptop is idle. |
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| 13:04.46 | rob_ | ChrisH: me too (it is - it works on other machines) |
| 13:04.49 | mns | I'm using debian/testing |
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| 13:05.13 | ChrisH | mns: usin acpi modules did it for me |
| 13:05.51 | ChrisH | rob_: Have you/can you double check the server side config? It does work for me on different places with different clients very well. |
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| 13:06.58 | rob_ | ChrisH: actually, it looks like resolvconf may be doing the search string magic |
| 13:07.06 | rob_ | (on ubuntu) |
| 13:07.39 | ChrisH | rob_: I do not use that package on debian stable (my desktop box right now) |
| 13:08.14 | rob_ | ChrisH: installing it on debian seems to make no difference |
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| 13:08.46 | ChrisH | rob_: Network Manager involved? |
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| 13:09.21 | rob_ | ChrisH: it's an lxc container |
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| 13:10.12 | mns | ChrisH: what acpi modules did you use and how ? |
| 13:10.55 | ChrisH | mns: the correct for your thinkpad. ask google: acpi debian thinkpad-model |
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| 13:12.18 | asturel | hi, i just installed rrdtool and now i get this rrdtool: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_ft_font_options_substitute |
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| 13:13.09 | MY123 | asturel: apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:13.21 | asturel | upgrade what? i said i installed it 5 mins ago :D |
| 13:13.40 | asturel | shouldnt it upgrade the depencies too? |
| 13:13.54 | babilen | mns: Surprisingly it is thinkpad_acpi |
| 13:14.26 | babilen | rob_: Do you use /e/n/i or NM or some other method? |
| 13:14.46 | rob_ | babilen: hangon, i think i've just noticed something bonkers, gonna investigate :) |
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| 13:15.00 | babilen | hangs |
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| 13:18.15 | MY123 | asturel: It is about a lib. do an apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade |
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| 13:18.59 | mns | ChrisH, babilen: it seems what I had to do was have thinkfan installed and start it. |
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| 13:24.27 | babilen | mns: Works fine here without (T420) and I can't recall that I had problems with neither my T60 nor T42. I might have used thinkfan on the T42 though (can't quite recall) |
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| 13:26.44 | asturel | i did upgrade MY123 but still gettin this error |
| 13:26.49 | asturel | im on jessie btw :/ |
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| 13:27.55 | furious | A couple of weeks ago, I upgraded my jessie installation and suddenly my laptop automatically sleeps when closing the lid |
| 13:28.04 | furious | Does anyone know how to prevent this? |
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| 13:28.19 | furious | I tried to look at /etc/acpi/ but didn't find anything |
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| 13:29.27 | mns | babilen: without thinkfan I can't seem to get the fan under control. Only on T430 have I had this. previously on T61p and others T43 I've not had an issue with the fan, at least not that I can recall. |
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| 13:29.39 | mns | furious: what do you use for your desktop ? |
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| 13:32.26 | furious | mns: lightdm and awesome wm |
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| 13:32.56 | rob_ | babilen: ubuntu containers getting /etc/resolv.conf from the host container, debian instances getting dhcp from dnsmasq running on the host, solution: add search string to dnsmasq running on the host :) |
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| 13:33.34 | Walex | furious: do you also have tiny fonts and green-on-blasck or blue terminal windows? :-) |
| 13:34.15 | furious | Walex: uh? |
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| 13:35.06 | Walex | furious: please answer the question :-) |
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| 13:36.21 | furious | Walex: I use rxvt-unicode as my term |
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| 13:37.21 | Walex | furious: with a dark background and tiny fonts? |
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| 13:38.35 | Walex | wonders just how stereotypical geeky <furious>'s desktop looks like :-) |
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| 13:39.06 | furious | Walex: so using awesome wm is being a stereotypical geek? |
| 13:39.22 | Walex | furious: that's usually a good leading indicator :-) |
| 13:39.27 | nullfaith | Dont listen to them bro. |
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| 13:39.40 | nullfaith | Tilers kill DE's. |
| 13:40.06 | furious | Walex: at least i don't waist time moving windows with the mouse from one place to another ;-) |
| 13:40.08 | Walex | furious: small RXVT windows with tiny fonts on dark backgrounds usually complete the picture :-) |
| 13:40.19 | nullfaith | Walex: Lets see your screenie. |
| 13:40.36 | furious | Walex: well, in my case they are big ones with medium rounded fonts and a black background |
| 13:40.41 | Walex | nullfaith: ehehehehehehe |
| 13:40.43 | furious | zsh with oh-my-zsh |
| 13:40.45 | nullfaith | ? |
| 13:40.46 | jelly | nullfaith: be nice, please. This is still a support channel. |
| 13:40.50 | nullfaith | I am being nice lol. |
| 13:40.55 | nullfaith | I just want to see his screenshot. |
| 13:41.06 | Walex | furious: bigh fonts is not stereotypically geeky, but ZSH compensates for this |
| 13:41.14 | nullfaith | How have I been "not nice"? |
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| 13:41.23 | Walex | nullfaith: he was joking :-) |
| 13:41.26 | nullfaith | Kk. |
| 13:41.54 | jelly | nullfaith: commenting on crap while there're actual support questions going on is better done in #debian-offtopic. |
| 13:42.12 | furious | Walex: also non geeky: I like hiking and trekking a lot, I make 50km walks in the mountains :þ |
| 13:42.16 | nullfaith | Oh ok, but them hating on furious for his desktop is cool. |
| 13:42.22 | nullfaith | I get it XD |
| 13:42.41 | Walex | I'll do a screenshot in a moment... I have some old ones, but I switched to much bigger fonts recently because "viewing distance": http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140228 |
| 13:42.52 | furious | Well, on topic, does anybody know why my laptop sleeps when the lid is closed? |
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| 13:43.03 | Walex | furious: just about to answer that... |
| 13:43.06 | nullfaith | furious: What are you using for power management? |
| 13:43.20 | Walex | furious: first I needed to assess your level of geekiness to tailor the reply. |
| 13:43.25 | furious | nullfaith: acpi |
| 13:43.26 | jelly | nullfaith: neither is nice, but I know Walex can take the hint. |
| 13:43.29 | furious | Walex: :þ |
| 13:43.36 | smartass | furious: look at /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 13:43.43 | Walex | furious: pushing down the lid ia actually a " button" |
| 13:43.54 | furious | smartass: no such file |
| 13:44.02 | nullfaith | jelly: lol. |
| 13:44.22 | Walex | furious: so a button event gets emitted by rthe kernel, and the event gets obeyed by some plugin somewhere, and that triggers the suspend action. |
| 13:44.33 | furious | Walex: i got that :p |
| 13:45.05 | furious | The new acpi listener got introduced recently because suddenly my laptop and the one of my gf both sleep when the lid is closed |
| 13:45.10 | Walex | furious: most big DEs have their own button event handlers, so you would be looking into that, but you don't use one. |
| 13:45.24 | furious | Walex: right |
| 13:45.44 | Walex | furious: so the things to do is to look at which opower management scripts you have installed, and monitor the DBUS chatter around the time the lid is closed. |
| 13:45.48 | smartass | furious: on wheezy the acpi-support package does most of this work |
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| 13:46.08 | furious | I'm on jessie but I guess it does it too |
| 13:46.36 | furious | https://dpaste.de/2X3d |
| 13:46.39 | Walex | furious: most likely the button event becomes a DBUS call, but sometimes some power management package gets it before that. So look at ACPi related stuff and packages like 'pm-something'. |
| 13:47.00 | jelly | furious: jessie? Ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net if you don't solve it here |
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| 13:47.11 | furious | jelly: thanks |
| 13:47.19 | smartass | furious: have a look at /etc/default/acpi-support |
| 13:47.52 | smartass | furious: I have LID_SLEEP=true commented out in there |
| 13:47.58 | Walex | furious: also look at 'dmesg' |
| 13:48.16 | furious | smartass: I have LID_SLEEP set to false |
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| 13:49.38 | Walex | furious: also 'ps axf | less' might help |
| 13:49.51 | babilen | furious: This will be handled by logind on jessie: /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
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| 13:50.18 | babilen | furious: And testing/unstable even have their own support channel called #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:52.16 | furious | babilen: Thanks for the hint! After changing the values in logind.conf, how do I restart that service? |
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| 13:53.14 | babilen | furious: "systemctl restart systemd-logind.service" (but really, #debian-next) |
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| 13:53.44 | furious | babilen: OK! |
| 13:53.49 | furious | babilen: Thanks ;-) |
| 13:53.52 | babilen | np |
| 13:54.11 | furious | Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
| 13:54.28 | jelly | wrong network |
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| 13:54.32 | Walex | furious: on IRC.Debian.org not Freenode |
| 13:54.41 | furious | uh, ok |
| 13:54.44 | xiqy | aka OFTC |
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| 13:59.02 | rob_ | does anyone know how to get dnsmasq to send search domains? :) |
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| 14:00.40 | smartass | if I want my ethernet interface to go up only if link ready, shoud I use allow-hotplug or ifplugd? |
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| 14:05.07 | henrikR | Hi! CAn anybody help me takeing screenshot of an X11 from ssh? |
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| 14:06.17 | smartass | henrikR: If you supply the right DISPLAY variable, it might work |
| 14:06.54 | somiaj | henrikR: scrot can do it from the cli, you just need as smartass said to supply the right DISPLAY |
| 14:06.59 | henrikR | I use this: "DISPLAY=:0 import -window root test.png" but it says "No protocol specified" |
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| 14:07.26 | smartass | henrikR: maybe you don't have X11 forwarding set up |
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| 14:08.15 | henrikR | how should I set up it? in the sshd_config file? (X11Forwarding yes) |
| 14:08.23 | smartass | henrikR: or maybe I don't have the right idea about your setup |
| 14:08.44 | smartass | henrikR: yes, both the server and the client (-X option) must be active |
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| 14:08.55 | smartass | henrikR: * have it active |
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| 14:09.42 | henrikR | smartass: thank you! I'll give a try :) |
| 14:10.03 | Walex | nullfaith: http://www.sabi.co.uk/xtmp/snapDesktop-140820.png |
| 14:11.01 | Walex | henrikR: usually one has to use the '-Y' option to make X forwarding work. |
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| 14:11.25 | Walex | henrikR: but note that you are trying to snap the X server on the _target_ machine if I understand what you want to do. |
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| 14:12.05 | smartass | Walex: I'm not really sure what he is trying to do |
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| 14:13.08 | abrotman | smartass: allow-hotplug should work |
| 14:13.28 | henrikR | Walex: that's exactly what I want to do: create screenshot of the remote machine's X from being logged in there via ssh |
| 14:13.41 | smartass | abrotman: so suring boot if the cable is not connected, it will not wait for it? |
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| 14:13.53 | abrotman | that's not a word |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | smartass: it shouldn't |
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| 14:15.59 | Walex | henrikR: the big problem with what you want to do is whether you have permission to access the X server on the target machine. |
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| 14:16.33 | henrikR | Walex: yes, I may have root permission even |
| 14:16.43 | Walex | henrikR: because usually X servers are not configure to let *any* client to access them, but only those who have some "password"/"cookie" |
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| 14:17.31 | AlexWH88 | Sup guys, im new at debian and m looking for some nice and smothin java IDE. I tried eclipse 4.3(4.4 got some bug on debian) and IDEA (but its slow as f**). Sorry bad eng! ^^ |
| 14:17.53 | Walex | henrikR: "permission" in the computer sense. When you login with SSH you need to obtain a copy of the XAUTHORITY file for an existing user, so you can extract from it the relevant "cookie". |
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| 14:18.40 | henrikR | Walex: can you provide me some details how to use this cookie? |
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| 14:19.14 | Walex | henrikR: therefore you need to read 'man xauth' carefully. Once you have figured out how to ensure that the X server allows your snapshot client to connect to it, you can use any CLI-usable snapshot client really. |
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| 14:19.53 | bezaban | xhost +SI:localuser:youruser run as the user using X should do it iirc |
| 14:19.58 | mns | doing an acpi -V shows me this: Battery 0: design capacity 4477 mAh, last full capacity 2138 mAh = 47%. Doesn't seem like my battery is getting fully charged. anyway to fix that ? |
| 14:20.19 | paxcoder | xfce-power-manager doesn't auto-update battery state (I have to xfce4-power-manager --restart in order for it to match upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0). Also, it doesn't lock the screen when the laptop lid is down, even though it's set to. I'd say what we're dealing with here is communicate if it weren't for the power button action correctly being asking what to do. Any ideas? |
| 14:20.45 | jelly | henrikR: are you the same user that started the X session? |
| 14:20.51 | henrikR | Walex: Thanks! well taking screenshot gonna be tougher than I thought... |
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| 14:21.17 | paxcoder | *a failiure to communicate |
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| 14:21.22 | henrikR | jelly: no, X started by a "regular" user and I'm currently the root |
| 14:21.50 | jelly | henrikR: you can easily su to that user and create a screenshot there, instead |
| 14:22.14 | ChrisH | mns: check the BIOS for a training cyle option. If there is no such option, some charge, de-charge until poweroff, cycles might improve something. These kind of battery as only a limited lifetime and needs to be replaces sometime. |
| 14:22.20 | henrikR | jelly: right! I'll try it! |
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| 14:22.45 | Zeitkind | net-install has a bug (on a Dell server booted from USB-Stick), so I need to grub-install right before rebooting after installation. Have a shell now, but can't find grub-install in /sbin or /bin. Where is it? thx |
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| 14:23.08 | jelly | henrikR: su - username -c 'env DISPLAY=:0 scrot foo.png' |
| 14:23.51 | smartass | abrotman: the thing is that IIRC hotplug event makes sense for detachable cards |
| 14:23.59 | jelly | (assuming scrot tool is installed and xauth file is in default place instead of the silly gdm place) |
| 14:24.09 | smartass | abrotman: or is it aliased somehow to carrier links? |
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| 14:26.19 | mns | Zeitkind: what architecture ? |
| 14:26.21 | zoso | Hi, I am using debian wheezy. After I install a kernel, I don't see the entry in the grub's menu. I ran update-grub manually to see if the menu gets updated, but it didn't help. When I set from grub's config file for the default boot to be a different option, then grub boots into a different kernel than specified. How can I fix this :) |
| 14:26.26 | Zeitkind | x86 |
| 14:26.27 | ChrisH | Zeitkind: a) I have it at /usr/sbin/grub-install -> ../lib/grub/i386-pc/grub-install b) how did you create the usb stick to install from? unbetbootin or cp/dd? |
| 14:26.40 | henrikR | jelly: Thank You! It's seems to be working :D Great! Have a nice day! |
| 14:27.07 | Zeitkind | the problem is the funny USB-emulation of that Dell, so net-install writes gub to the wrong disk = to the usb-Stick.. ^^ |
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| 14:28.12 | abrotman | smartass: huh? |
| 14:28.18 | paxcoder | plshlp |
| 14:28.27 | Zeitkind | I just need to find the grub-install script during/after installation and install grub on the correct drive |
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| 14:29.17 | Zeitkind | (the usb-stick won't boot after installation with a grub error.. that's how I found the bug after several tries..) |
| 14:29.25 | smartass | abrotman: asking whether hotplug is the same thing as link present |
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| 14:30.07 | abrotman | try it and see .. should be easy to test, right ? |
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| 14:31.17 | Zeitkind | not in /lib/* |
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| 14:34.24 | Zeitkind | ok, the bug is know and described in errata for v7 |
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| 14:41.22 | DammitJim | what is that command to monitor my connection to a wireless network? |
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| 14:41.35 | DammitJim | I think it prints stuff related to associating to an AP and so on |
| 14:41.40 | phelms | Hey guys! Can someone help me out with a shutdown script I'm writing? If you help me I'll buy you a pizza!! https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b063140540dd68b82c64 |
| 14:41.55 | phelms | help me (get it wroking ;) ) |
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| 14:44.23 | [LINKEDINLOGSRZA | COSMOS.... |
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| 14:44.54 | heftig-z | I need to build and distribute in-house packages for several distributions (wheezy, precise, trusty) and environments (development, production) |
| 14:45.15 | heftig-z | should I use "distributions" to keep the packages apart (naming them wheezy-production etc)? or should I set up a repository per environment, leaving the distributions at wheezy etc? |
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| 14:47.19 | An_Ony_Moose | the sudoers file says "Please consider adding local content in /etc/sudoers.d/ instead of directly modifying this file.". How do I do so safely (i.e. with syntax checking)? |
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| 14:47.44 | DammitJim | yup, journalctl -f |
| 14:48.06 | jelly | An_Ony_Moose: visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/moose |
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| 14:48.21 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: right. Thanks! |
| 14:49.38 | MY123 | Is there a channel about binutils ? |
| 14:49.50 | heftig-z | MY123: try #gnu |
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| 14:53.03 | paxcoder | Any xfce maintainers here? |
| 14:53.19 | jelly | ,v hexchat |
| 14:53.20 | judd | Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.0-1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1 |
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| 14:57.01 | ambutts | When attempting to create a 100 MB partition in debian-installer, why is the result a 98.6 MB partition? |
| 14:57.18 | ambutts | And why, after creating a second one to experiment (also stating a primary, beginning, 100 MB partition), 99.6? |
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| 14:58.04 | jelly | ambutts: alignment shenanigans |
| 14:58.09 | ambutts | Aggh. |
| 14:58.11 | ambutts | Makes me mad. |
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| 14:58.23 | ambutts | And we also still can't specify MiB and I don't know how to specify in bytes. |
| 14:58.26 | jelly | do you want 100MB or 100MiB? :-D |
| 14:58.30 | ambutts | 100 MB. |
| 14:58.33 | jelly | why? |
| 14:58.48 | ambutts | Because I'm anal about these things and for some reason it's making me mad. |
| 14:58.50 | ambutts | I think I have a problem. |
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| 14:59.09 | abrotman | use LVM, resize to suit your OCD |
| 14:59.20 | ambutts | The second partition is LVM. |
| 14:59.32 | ambutts | But /boot isn't ofc. |
| 14:59.44 | paxcoder | jelleh, so the guys at #xfce told me xfce4-power-management v1.2 doesn't work with udev 0.99 which is what Debian's running. So if I wanted to report this, would it be anything other than a "wish"? |
| 14:59.50 | ambutts | Well, second is LVM inside of dm-crypt. |
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| 15:00.39 | jelly | ambutts: 100MB isn't divisible by 512. Thus, be content in the fact it's impossible to make a partition of exactly 100MB no matter how hard you try. |
| 15:00.53 | ambutts | I'm not a clever person and I wasn't aware of this. |
| 15:00.55 | ambutts | Thanks. :c |
| 15:02.01 | paxcoder | jelly? |
| 15:02.12 | jelly | paxcoder? |
| 15:02.42 | paxcoder | see my comment addressed to jelleh, jelly |
| 15:02.51 | paxcoder | *question |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | paxcoder: it can be a normal bug |
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| 15:04.51 | jelly | paxcoder: be precise when filing a bug, is it really udev 0.99 or something else |
| 15:04.54 | jelly | ,v udev |
| 15:04.55 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 208-6; sid: 208-7 |
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| 15:05.40 | paxcoder | umm wut |
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| 15:06.16 | jelly | udev seems to be at "175" in debian 7, but you wrote <paxcoder> jell[y], so the guys at #xfce told me xfce4-power-management v1.2 doesn't work with udev 0.99 which is what Debian's running. So if I wanted to report this, would it be anything other than a "wish"? |
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| 15:07.21 | paxcoder | jelly, they probably meant UPower daemon |
| 15:07.30 | paxcoder | yeah |
| 15:07.55 | paxcoder | ,v upower |
| 15:07.56 | judd | Package: upower on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.5-5; wheezy: 0.9.17-1; sid: 0.99.0-3; jessie: 0.99.0-3 |
| 15:08.12 | paxcoder | (i'm running testing) |
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| 15:10.29 | paxcoder | the bug's already reported: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755234 |
| 15:10.36 | jelly | paxcoder: did they mention what minimum version of upower they do work with? |
| 15:10.53 | jelly | ah, nice |
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| 15:12.18 | paxcoder | jelly, yeah |
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| 15:14.05 | soulspire | Hello. Question about debian 7.6 installation. |
| 15:15.24 | soulspire | I installed Adobe Flash and Shockwave player, flash is working but not shockwave. It does show in the chrme://pluglins list fine though. |
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| 15:17.22 | pupil | soulspire: try pepper-flash |
| 15:18.15 | soulspire | I'll try that again. Should I remove the current flash before insatlling pepper-flash? |
| 15:18.21 | jelly | soulspire: there is no shockwave director plugin for linux, there never was. The player was a standalone program I think. |
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| 15:19.13 | soulspire | Interesting. I can watch YouTube fine but not other videos on Weather.com. I installed debian 6.7 and in hell flash atm lol |
| 15:20.11 | nanonyme | Are you sure Youtube isn't running as HTML5 for you? Could explain the difference |
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| 15:20.37 | ftc- | flash is built into chrome to, so the adobe plugin might not be working at all |
| 15:20.48 | soulspire | no actually, but a flash game does run fine, when I disable flash it does not. |
| 15:20.58 | soulspire | Looking into installing pepper now |
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| 15:21.38 | jelly | which browser are you using there, soulspire |
| 15:22.15 | soulspire | chrome, chromium, iceweasel atm |
| 15:22.22 | soulspire | they all act the same |
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| 15:24.25 | soulspire | Jelly, I have pepperflashplugin-nonfree already installed |
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| 15:25.26 | jelly | chrome from googles comes with pepper flash. What pepperflashplugin-nonfree package is is download chrome again, grab flash libraries and make them available to chromium |
| 15:25.44 | jelly | iceweasel cannot use pepper flash. |
| 15:26.53 | soulspire | Ive gone in circles uninstalling and reinstalling all browsers, idk why it breaks because I installed a newer version of debian and now it;'s not playing nice |
| 15:27.21 | jelly | dunno. google-chrome-stable wfm |
| 15:27.32 | soulspire | lol |
| 15:27.56 | jelly | are you running amd64 or i386 architecture? |
| 15:28.09 | jelly | (dpkg --print-architecture) |
| 15:28.13 | soulspire | Like I explained, I was able to watch any YT vids and all flash videos from many sites untill debian 7.6 |
| 15:28.18 | soulspire | i386 |
| 15:28.32 | jelly | that's what I have here as we.. |
| 15:28.36 | jelly | well. |
| 15:28.57 | jelly | soulspire: dpkg -l google-chrome-stable |tail -n 1 |
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| 15:29.46 | jelly | 36.0.1985.125-1 works here, I still have to upgrade to 36.0.1985.143-1 |
| 15:30.07 | soulspire | 36.0.7985.143-1 |
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| 15:31.00 | jelly | could be they broke something in 143? |
| 15:31.14 | jelly | lemme upgrade :-) |
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| 15:31.49 | jelly | if I can't listen to youtube any more I'll have you to blame |
| 15:31.57 | soulspire | they broke every browser then becasue I used iceweasel, chrome, chromium-browser and Opera in previous version of Debian |
| 15:32.07 | soulspire | lol Jelly |
| 15:32.38 | jelly | what you used in debian 6 can't really be taken as relevant, that was a long time ago |
| 15:32.40 | soulspire | Dude, I told you already I can watch YT just fine so far |
| 15:33.01 | jelly | soulspire: can you paste an url that fails to work? |
| 15:33.27 | soulspire | I never used 6 |
| 15:33.36 | soulspire | sure |
| 15:33.59 | soulspire | http://www.weather.com/video/bad-news-for-nutella-lovers-52500? |
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| 15:34.53 | soulspire | jelly theya re very short 2 minute news vids. I loved to watch them but now I cannot :( sad when thsi crap happens. |
| 15:35.43 | soulspire | Jelly , may I pm you? |
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| 15:36.51 | heftig-z | If I need help building or deploying packages, is there a better channel? |
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| 15:37.00 | woik | hi |
| 15:37.10 | woik | how do i download java for iceweasel to debian? |
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| 15:37.17 | jelly | soulspire: if it's about tech support, please don't |
| 15:37.29 | soulspire | Jelly it's not but nvm |
| 15:38.44 | jelly | soulspire: then sure, go ahead :-) |
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| 15:38.51 | woik | any idea? |
| 15:38.52 | soulspire | For the record, it's irrelavent as to what browser one should be able to use on linux these days, you knocked the concept back by 12 years Jelly, I now remember you and getting help (or lack of) lol |
| 15:38.54 | soulspire | ty fo ryoru time |
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| 15:39.39 | patter | hi, I could do with a little alsa help. soundcard's detected by alsa, volumes are all full & my user's in the audio group, but there's no sound. Using XFCE & aply without pulseaudio |
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| 15:41.51 | woik | i would need openjdk-7-jre and icedtea-7.plugin? |
| 15:42.03 | Gatis | hello |
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| 15:45.35 | jelly | woik: that sounds reasonable |
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| 15:46.12 | jelly | woik: icedtea-7-plugin will pull in the jre it uses |
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| 15:50.52 | woik | jelly: yeah thanks :) |
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| 15:53.22 | woik | is it possible to change resolve as default? |
| 15:53.33 | woik | dns |
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| 15:57.34 | woik | i heard about chaning resolv.conf |
| 15:57.36 | woik | and reboot |
| 15:57.43 | woik | it will change back as default |
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| 15:58.23 | woik | could i change this anyhow? |
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| 16:00.05 | jhutchins | woik: Changes maade to resolv.conf take effect with the next name lookup, no need to reboot. |
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| 16:00.48 | jhutchins | woik: The only time rebooting is needed in linux is to load a new kernel or to load modules that can't be re-loaded live (which is almost never). |
| 16:01.14 | jhutchins | woik: resolv.conf is usually auto-generated these days, but you can still change it manually. |
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| 16:07.07 | asturel | MY123 any other idea since apt upgrade didnt solve this? |
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| 16:08.14 | MY123 | No. Can't try it for you as my PC is armhf. |
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| 16:09.39 | asturel | i checked but there's only one version of rrdtool so i cant downgrade (?) |
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| 16:12.00 | tinoco | back |
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| 16:16.05 | woik | jhutchins: so the only option is to changing it everytime you reboot? |
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| 16:16.24 | woik | is there no way to change it as default? |
| 16:16.39 | YamakasY | guys interfaces.d is just for putting in eth1...2 3 and so on ? |
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| 16:17.08 | centrx | woik, probably configure your DHCP client not to mess with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:17.14 | ftc- | you can also put your weed in it |
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| 16:19.31 | woik | centrx: okay |
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| 16:39.45 | nagerst | Mmy system does not shutdown when invoking "halt" how do i proceed? |
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| 16:42.34 | nkuttler | nagerst: what happens instead? |
| 16:42.38 | LtL | nagerst: try 'shutdown -h now' |
| 16:43.00 | nagerst | it shuts down until the last black screen where it is supposed to power off. |
| 16:43.15 | nagerst | get a white underscore up in the left corner |
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| 16:43.46 | nkuttler | nagerst: you're using wheezy, right? and no systemd? |
| 16:44.03 | nagerst | I am using Jessie at the moment |
| 16:44.19 | nkuttler | nagerst: #debian-next on oftc |
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| 16:59.15 | drWh0 | 18:51:47 weechat =!= | BÅÄ
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| 17:07.25 | asturel | ah.. MY123 i found the issue it pulled the libcairo from /usr/local/lib... |
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| 17:53.54 | Guest23202 | hi there altough im logged in as root i get 'chown: changing ownership of `blubb': Operation not permitted'. y could this be |
| 17:54.37 | jhutchins | Guest23202: What kind of file is it? Where in the filesystem? |
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| 17:55.34 | Guest23202 | jhutchins: its on an usbdrive fat32 partition |
| 17:56.55 | Guest23202 | chmod doesnt work either :/ |
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| 17:59.33 | jhutchins | Guest23202: Is it mounted read-only? |
| 17:59.41 | Trewas | Guest23202: fat32 does not have concept of file ownership or permissions |
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| 18:00.52 | panarama | hi, when wheezy released, does it go tru some kinda pentest? |
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| 18:00.55 | Guest23202 | jhutchins: how can i check this? but i dont think its mounted read-only cause ive copied files to the fs |
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| 18:01.45 | nicholasjanssen | bad example sorry |
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| 18:01.53 | nicholasjanssen | hay debian users whats a popular channel |
| 18:01.54 | Guest23202 | Trewas: mhh really? cause im currently trying to setup a live debian environment where i can save the changes to the live system |
| 18:02.03 | nicholasjanssen | and whats a good linux irc client? |
| 18:02.12 | nicholasjanssen | xchat wont make ignore users easy |
| 18:02.32 | Guest23202 | nicholasjanssen: irssi |
| 18:02.57 | nicholasjanssen | Guest23202, isnt that the one with the back door for years? |
| 18:02.59 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: right click on their nickname, Ignore -> Ignore User |
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| 18:03.17 | nicholasjanssen | jelly, yeah my xchat doesnt have that option |
| 18:03.30 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:03.37 | nicholasjanssen | the one called ubuntu |
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| 18:03.39 | nicholasjanssen | 12.04 |
| 18:03.51 | Guest23202 | nicholasjanssen: link or never happen |
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| 18:03.58 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: ask in #ubuntu, then, I've no idea what happens there |
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| 18:04.16 | Guest23202 | but nah i dont think so |
| 18:04.51 | nicholasjanssen | Guest23202, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-3570.html?sid=3b5eb578ec9fded5b828ce339073bdb1 |
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| 18:05.11 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: 2002 |
| 18:05.14 | roboman2444 | so is debian still going with systemd? |
| 18:05.21 | nicholasjanssen | http://securitytracker.com/id/1004374 |
| 18:05.30 | nicholasjanssen | yeah i have no idea how i remember that far back but i do |
| 18:05.58 | nicholasjanssen | i feel bad actually being able to remember so long ago |
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| 18:06.19 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: if you're going to keep a grudge on a piece of software for having a hole 12 years ago, you're not going to run a lot of software |
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| 18:06.38 | nicholasjanssen | jelly, who has a grudge? |
| 18:06.45 | nicholasjanssen | i was just asking him a question |
| 18:06.49 | nicholasjanssen | then he asks me a question |
| 18:06.52 | nicholasjanssen | then i answer his question |
| 18:07.00 | nicholasjanssen | then you say i have a grudge |
| 18:07.03 | nicholasjanssen | then i type this |
| 18:07.06 | nicholasjanssen | now look where we are |
| 18:07.29 | jelly | nicholasjanssen: in any case, you're in the wrong channel for ubuntu help or chat. Chat in #debian-offtopic and keep this channel for tech support in actual Debian. |
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| 18:07.48 | nicholasjanssen | jelly, very sorry |
| 18:07.51 | nicholasjanssen | good channel |
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| 18:08.13 | nicholasjanssen | does debian support the abomination that is gnome shell? |
| 18:08.52 | bc1213 | that's a stupid way to phrase a question. and it's one that is easy to look up for yourself |
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| 18:12.45 | c3w | does debian destroy worlds? |
| 18:13.14 | nicholasjanssen | only if you want it to |
| 18:13.34 | nicholasjanssen | just like atom bombs |
| 18:13.40 | nicholasjanssen | sure they can be used like that |
| 18:13.51 | nicholasjanssen | but most people prefer not to use them like that |
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| 18:14.32 | nicholasjanssen | my haiku is unsuccessful |
| 18:14.37 | nicholasjanssen | i end now |
| 18:14.37 | c3w | the debian |
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| 18:25.29 | mefistoso | hey, is there a way to allow a common user to run dpkg -i ? |
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| 18:26.46 | mefistoso | I tried this https://wiki.debian.org/sudo in the Configuration overview without success |
| 18:27.07 | nicholasjanssen | mefistoso, could u try adding the user to sudo? |
| 18:27.20 | mefistoso | nicholasjanssen: I only want/need dpkg -i |
| 18:27.31 | mefistoso | the user shouldn't have any more admin rights |
| 18:27.33 | nicholasjanssen | i am not sure if sudo could be configured for only one command |
| 18:28.17 | nicholasjanssen | http://www.atrixnet.com/allow-an-unprivileged-user-to-run-a-certain-command-with-sudo/ |
| 18:28.34 | nicholasjanssen | i am new here stay and ask others |
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| 18:29.21 | mefistoso | nicholasjanssen: thanks, goiing to check that |
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| 18:29.45 | ix | "A common user that runs dpkg -i" is really a root user. |
| 18:30.05 | mefistoso | ix: it can only install packages through dpkg but can edit conf files and such |
| 18:30.08 | mefistoso | cant* |
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| 18:30.55 | levlaz | Silly Question, I am trying to install a plugin for keepass2 but I am not sure where it is actually installed. Where does apt typically install packages? |
| 18:31.06 | pbunny | hi |
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| 18:31.10 | pbunny | what is the best way to install nvidia-prime on debian? |
| 18:31.13 | pbunny | ( jessie ) |
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| 18:32.12 | ix | mefistoso: It's not /that/ hard to create custom packages... |
| 18:32.35 | pbunny | or any other way to use nvidia optimus |
| 18:32.39 | mefistoso | ix: what do you mean? I know it is not hard |
| 18:32.41 | pbunny | bumblebee doesn't really work |
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| 18:32.57 | pbunny | i get 10 times lower fps with nvidia (optirun or primus - doesn't matter) than on intel |
| 18:33.07 | pbunny | tried with primus transport and with virtualgl transport |
| 18:33.31 | MY123 | pbunny: optirun glxgears -info |
| 18:33.47 | MY123 | Does it show NVIDIA ? |
| 18:34.35 | pbunny | MY123: yes, it shows everything correct |
| 18:34.39 | pbunny | i can even run nvidia-settings |
| 18:34.49 | pbunny | and see gpu frequency changing correctly |
| 18:35.00 | ix | mefistoso: Then, anybody with knowledge about the pre-install (preinst) and post-install (postinst) scripts could just execute any commands he or she would like to execute as root by creating a simple dummy package. |
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| 18:36.19 | mefistoso | ix: yes, but that's not going to be possible, since the user doesn't really have access to mouse/keyboard and similar devices, it won't even have access to a terminal/shell... I just need dpkg privileges so it can run an update script |
| 18:36.47 | mefistoso | ix: that script will install some custom packages |
| 18:37.27 | mefistoso | and that script verifies the packages so it can't install any .deb |
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| 18:38.01 | MY123 | pbunny: NVIDIA drivers were and will be always be crappy with Optimus |
| 18:38.35 | ix | mefistoso: Well, as long as you are aware of the risks (of which there are *many*), then sudo would probably be the way to go. |
| 18:39.42 | mefistoso | ix: yeah, I'm aware of course, thanks for the heads up. But I tried the sudo way adding to sudoers something like "user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/dpkg -i" and it's not working... any ideas¿ |
| 18:39.43 | mefistoso | ? |
| 18:40.16 | mefistoso | when I run dpkg -i it still says dpkg: error: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
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| 18:40.45 | teraflops | MY123: why? |
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| 18:44.45 | plm | hey all, just a curious: is possible to have a static ip in a interface eth0 and add a alias eth0:0 where eth0:0 is DHCP? |
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| 18:45.50 | shingouz | plm: i don't see why not. try it |
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| 18:48.12 | ix | mefistoso: You might have to specify a command alias to specifically allow only some command arguments -- I *think* sudo supports entries with regular expressions. Or you could give access via sudo to a script that executes whatever commands you would like the user to run. |
| 18:49.07 | mefistoso | ix: ah yeah, that should work... thanks |
| 18:49.29 | ix | In any case, limiting the user to only be able to run -i is probably redundant if you truly are able to prevent any other forms of command execution. |
| 18:49.34 | MY123 | teraflops: Try with OpenCL,the only thing which works well on Bumblebee. |
| 18:50.06 | teraflops | MY123: sorry, apart giving advices could you elaborate? |
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| 18:51.33 | ix | mefistoso: No problem! Keep an eye out, though :-) |
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| 18:53.33 | MY123 | teraflops: In the normal case, the NVIDIA card transfers rendering to its own memory to the screen. In Bumblebee, it is transfered from the NVIDIA card to Linux then to the Intel one, which is bad. Try with a game, should be better. |
| 18:54.14 | mefistoso | ix: yeah, it's a special machine, it only has a touchscreen and a minimalistic interface... it should be ok, but yeah, I'll be careful |
| 18:54.41 | mefistoso | no usb ports and such |
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| 18:58.12 | ix | mefistoso: If it has internet access, I would encourage you to watch the talk "Kiosk Hacking Redux" by Paul Craig, presented at DEFCON 19. In any case, good luck! |
| 18:58.18 | teraflops | i use optiums since 2 years i do not see any lack of performance about the rendering part you are completely right mefistoso |
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| 18:59.27 | teraflops | mefistoso: look at aptdaemon |
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| 18:59.42 | mefistoso | teraflops: yeah, I'll look into that as well, thanks |
| 19:00.04 | teraflops | sorry i mean MY123 |
| 19:00.23 | teraflops | about bumblebee*** |
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| 19:20.14 | sharky | hi guys I am hitting this bug Bug#712994: Please add support for newer Elantech Touchpads https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2013/06/msg00894.html |
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| 19:21.07 | sharky | is this fixed in newer kernels for stable? or what would you suggest, as best solution? |
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| 19:21.24 | sharky | a pmouse driver needs fix |
| 19:22.21 | sharky | it works now, but the log says it keeps aborting, and approximately once every one tow days the laptop freezes - keyboard, mouse and screen |
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| 19:22.58 | ronin | how can I mount my usb drive when I attached it to the usb port, but nothing happened. when i try to open the folder in nautilus i get operation pending |
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| 19:23.09 | ronin | failed to mount, operation pending |
| 19:23.19 | mmlj4 | dmesg |
| 19:23.27 | mmlj4 | find the device, them mount it manually |
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| 19:23.47 | mmlj4 | the right partition, that is |
| 19:24.38 | sharky | ronin, or as root #fdisk -l to see which device you have like /dev/sdb1 or so then mount it |
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| 19:24.58 | sharky | ronin, after you stick the usb drive |
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| 19:25.39 | ronin | fdisk doesnt show my external drives |
| 19:25.48 | ronin | i think it's "stuck" |
| 19:26.08 | ronin | it shows sda1/2/5 and then gets "stuck", the fdisk |
| 19:26.10 | Shadow_7 | cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:26.16 | Aaron_ | hi i have a question I'm using my wifi and stuff; but on my /etc/network/interface file i have this line allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp but on network-manager i cannot see the wireless connection |
| 19:26.19 | Aaron_ | how can i fix this? |
| 19:26.38 | sharky | ronin, maybe it is something wrong with your usb |
| 19:27.01 | sharky | ronin, can you mount it on another machine/OS? |
| 19:27.33 | sharky | ronin, another command you can try is #blkid |
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| 19:27.51 | Aaron_ | any ideas? |
| 19:28.05 | ronin | sharky, they get mounted if I replug them but sometimes they get "stuck" |
| 19:28.09 | Shadow_7 | network-manager ignores devices defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:28.13 | shingouz | Aaron_: i believe network manager wants to have an empty interfaces file. mv the file to another place and see if nm works better |
| 19:28.24 | Aaron_ | shingouz, move which file? |
| 19:28.41 | shingouz | Aaron_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:28.47 | Aaron_ | where do i move it to? |
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| 19:29.19 | Aaron_ | any where? |
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| 19:29.23 | shingouz | Aaron_: rename it. put it somewhere where you can find it later if it does not work. a plain rm means you do not have it if you need it later |
| 19:29.33 | l_r | what's the version of kde provided by debian7.6? |
| 19:29.35 | sharky | ronin, who is "they"? |
| 19:29.48 | ronin | sharky, my usb drives |
| 19:29.55 | ronin | sharky, this time 2/3 of them got mounted |
| 19:29.57 | Aaron_ | ok i rename the file to interfaces1 |
| 19:30.04 | Aaron_ | now i restart network-manager? |
| 19:30.22 | sharky | ronin, do you mount them manually? |
| 19:30.27 | Aaron_ | or i have to reboot? |
| 19:30.50 | Aaron_ | okay got it working thanks xD |
| 19:31.18 | ronin | sharky, they get mounted automatically |
| 19:31.26 | ronin | normally |
| 19:31.52 | r3m | ,v synergy |
| 19:31.54 | judd | Package: synergy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-5; wheezy: 1.3.8-2; jessie: 1.4.16-1; sid: 1.4.16-1 |
| 19:32.05 | ronin | by manually mounting i get Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened. |
| 19:32.12 | ronin | The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which |
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| 19:32.40 | ronin | argh |
| 19:32.46 | ronin | no, i put wrong device |
| 19:32.46 | sharky | ronin, if they get stuck, you can check "# mount" what is mounted "# unmount" it and mount it manually, it will work |
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| 19:33.38 | sharky | ronin, be careful with the devices |
| 19:34.02 | ronin | sharky, it seems i cannot umount it :/, it says "not mounted" :/ |
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| 19:34.27 | sharky | ronin, then mount it manually |
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| 19:34.42 | sharky | ronin, do you know exactly which device it is? |
| 19:35.00 | ronin | the command doesnt work when I try to mount, it just "stucks" |
| 19:35.10 | ronin | yes, should be /dev/sdc1 |
| 19:35.22 | ronin | because the others are sdb1 and sdd1 |
| 19:36.17 | ronin | I tried sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/ronin/ |
| 19:36.29 | Shadow_7 | cat /proc/partitions... most times my USB drives start with /dev names of /dev/sdg or /dev/sdh |
| 19:36.36 | Shadow_7 | if plugged in after boot |
| 19:36.46 | sharky | ronin, and? |
| 19:37.01 | sharky | s/?/?/ |
| 19:37.18 | ronin | what do you mean |
| 19:37.54 | ronin | I get with shadow_7's command that it should be sdc (some reason I get them listed twice so sdc1 and sdc) |
| 19:38.12 | sharky | ronin, what happened after the command you tried? |
| 19:38.12 | ronin | with only minor is different, other is 32 other 33 |
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| 19:38.30 | ronin | sharky, it stays active and nothing happening, doesnt get back to shell |
| 19:39.06 | sharky | ronin, does dmesg tell you something? |
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| 19:39.27 | ronin | all my usb drives are listed twice with cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:40.02 | sharky | there should be some errors |
| 19:40.02 | ronin | it says this http://paste.dy.fi/pRD |
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| 19:40.37 | sharky | /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs |
| 19:40.48 | sharky | so it hungs |
| 19:41.28 | sharky | its a kernel oops |
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| 19:42.04 | ronin | this happens maybe every tenth time for one of my usb drives |
| 19:42.07 | ronin | then i just replug them |
| 19:42.11 | ronin | but it's annoying :/ |
| 19:42.49 | ronin | I just hate usb devices, argh |
| 19:43.13 | sharky | I know how you feel man, I got new laptop, all good, but the damn touchpad driver freezes my laptop once a day or once every two days |
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| 19:43.53 | ronin | I'm sure the problem is my crappy lenovo laptop |
| 19:43.59 | ronin | and it's usb technology |
| 19:44.16 | sharky | ronin, you can try to format it, first BACKUP you data, the you can put another filesystem like ext4 or ext3 or xfs |
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| 19:44.59 | sharky | ronin, this may also, be |
| 19:45.05 | ronin | I think sometimes i have had the problem with ext4 too, but im not sure, maybe ill check next time if it's always ntfs drive |
| 19:45.21 | ronin | thanks ShariVegas |
| 19:45.23 | ronin | sharky, |
| 19:45.31 | sharky | ronin, ;) |
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| 19:45.54 | sharky | ronin, keep always in mind that software/everything actually is not perfect |
| 19:46.07 | ronin | must be ntfs, that's the devil's invention |
| 19:46.28 | ronin | sharky, everthing in the linux world is perfect ;) |
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| 19:46.45 | sharky | so we need to find workarounds, but GNU/Linux gives us freedom mate, and that is priceless |
| 19:47.12 | sharky | ronin, it is not sure, but you can try |
| 19:47.49 | sharky | I for now have removed the driver that freezes my maching with # rmmod psmouse, and now I will see how to patch and recompile it |
| 19:48.04 | sharky | and so on |
| 19:48.07 | sharky | ;) |
| 19:48.16 | ronin | :) |
| 19:48.33 | ronin | the driver is not "static" in the kernel? |
| 19:48.36 | ronin | you can just turn it off |
| 19:49.37 | sharky | yeah I have done exactly that, now the touchpad does not work, but external usb mouse works |
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| 19:50.15 | sharky | and the kernel does not give the nasty messages, so the machine will be stable :) |
| 19:50.23 | ronin | can you turn of drivers on the run from the kernel? |
| 19:50.26 | ronin | how does it work |
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| 19:50.47 | sharky | but it will still be a plus to be able to use that touchpad, it is still a laptop |
| 19:51.20 | sharky | ronin, yes you can, you can list all loaded drivers in the kernel with # lsmod |
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| 19:51.33 | sharky | ronin, we should call them modules to be exact |
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| 19:52.22 | ronin | I already see things like firewire, bluetooth etc. that i dont need |
| 19:52.28 | sharky | ronin, then one can grep for his module and one can remove it with # rmmod <module name> |
| 19:52.58 | ronin | that's cool man |
| 19:53.10 | sharky | ronin, if you don't need them you can remove them, and you can do that permanently by adding it to a specific file in /etc |
| 19:53.26 | sharky | ronin, GNU/Linux it totally cool and exciting |
| 19:53.36 | ronin | it is turning me on |
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| 19:54.24 | sharky | ronin, and one can add modules of course on the fly with # modprobe <module name> |
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| 19:55.45 | sharky | ronin, and rebuld rependecies with # depmod -a |
| 19:55.49 | ronin | and modprobe --list seems to give quite a bunch of available modules :) |
| 19:55.58 | sharky | yeah |
| 19:56.10 | ronin | all this crap eating my disk space :D |
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| 19:56.27 | CodePulsar | Is there a package for Boost Spirit library in Debian ? |
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| 19:56.40 | nicholasjanssen | ronin, dont worry about disk space just buy a new hd |
| 19:56.51 | ronin | :D |
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| 19:56.58 | nicholasjanssen | EVERY DAY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LOSE THEIR HARDDRIVES AND THEN HAVE TOO FEW BACKUPS |
| 19:57.01 | nicholasjanssen | EVERY DAY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LOSE THEIR HARDDRIVES AND THEN HAVE TOO FEW BACKUPS |
| 19:57.05 | ronin | yeah, my hd is 20GB |
| 19:57.06 | ronin | :D |
| 19:57.17 | nicholasjanssen | i have like 20 tb of hd total |
| 19:57.21 | ronin | lol |
| 19:57.29 | nicholasjanssen | not in one pc obvious |
| 19:57.32 | nicholasjanssen | and not in one hd |
| 19:57.39 | CodePulsar | nicholasjanssen: working or non working backups? |
| 19:57.41 | nicholasjanssen | in maybe 17 or so hd |
| 19:57.50 | nicholasjanssen | offline backup drives mostly |
| 19:57.55 | sharky | ronin, I don't have that option # modprobe --list |
| 19:58.31 | nkuttler | nicholasjanssen: please, no caps or flooding |
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| 19:58.52 | ronin | sharky, it's actually xubuntu where i tested it |
| 19:59.07 | ronin | sharky, maybe a different version |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | jij? |
| 19:59.12 | abrotman | huh? |
| 19:59.15 | sharky | ronin, yea maybe |
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| 19:59.54 | ronin | module-init-tools version 3.16 |
| 19:59.59 | ompaul | nicholasjanssen: have you a debian question? |
| 20:00.32 | sharky | ompaul, I have, but noone answers mine :/ |
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| 20:01.49 | ompaul | sharky: not saying I'll answer what is it |
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| 20:02.22 | sharky | <sharky> hi guys I am hitting this bug Bug#712994: Please add support for newer Elantech Touchpads https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2013/06/msg00894.html is this fixed in newer kernels for stable? or what would you suggest, as best solution? |
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| 20:02.47 | abrotman | try a newer kernel, check backports |
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| 20:02.55 | sharky | that driver keeps freezing my machine, I rmmoded it for now |
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| 20:03.35 | sharky | abrotman, would it be possible only to patch the psmouse.c, recompile it and it? |
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| 20:03.43 | abrotman | sharky: if you want to .. |
| 20:03.57 | abrotman | you can't compile just that single driver though |
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| 20:04.30 | sharky | abrotman, ok I am thinking to go this way, I read that the patch fixed things for most ppl that commented |
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| 20:04.41 | ompaul | sharky: backported kernels are the way to do it in debian |
| 20:04.50 | sharky | abrotman, yeah that is actually the right question |
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| 20:05.37 | abrotman | ronin: you're not even using Debian? |
| 20:05.49 | ronin | abrotman, I use |
| 20:05.59 | abrotman | not wiht that module init tools version |
| 20:06.02 | ronin | abrotman, I have debian and xubuntu on all of my laptops |
| 20:06.03 | ronin | :) |
| 20:06.04 | sharky | I have compiled kernel drivers before, but I was compiling the whole kernel when I was experimenting |
| 20:06.25 | abrotman | ronin: are you asking for help with Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 20:06.41 | ronin | abrotman, debian, mut I already figured out that the problem is ntfs not debian |
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| 20:06.51 | ronin | or maybe ntfs-3g drivers but... |
| 20:07.10 | ompaul | sharky: did you try to use a backported kernel, and that way at least test your hypothesis |
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| 20:07.26 | sharky | ronin, it is not sure, it may be something else, hardware etc. but you can try that |
| 20:07.57 | sharky | ompaul, not yet for now I just removed the driver and I am useing external usb mouse |
| 20:08.21 | ompaul | sharky: a minute and thirty seconds work and a reboot |
| 20:08.25 | abrotman | sharky: try the BPO kernel |
| 20:08.28 | sharky | ompaul, I was wondering what would be the best solution, that is why I asked here |
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| 20:08.59 | ronin | sharky, what would be your guess if the options are hardware and ntfs-3g drivers |
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| 20:09.44 | sharky | ompaul, and the variants I was thing were, 1) compile only driver if possible, 2) install newer kernel or 3) dist-upgrade to jessie testing .. |
| 20:11.05 | sharky | ronin, you can try with other file system, and for the hardware you can try the usb on other machines, then analyse |
| 20:11.17 | ompaul | sharky: the answer is it depends, one is not useful unless you want to be maintaining your own branch forever, so perhaps 2 will show if things work, if not you can remove it again later |
| 20:11.25 | sharky | ronin, I can't guess |
| 20:11.34 | ronin | sharky, what did you mean btw by rebulding dependecies |
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| 20:12.26 | sharky | ompaul, but can I check the kernel source if the patch is there before I install it? |
| 20:12.53 | sharky | actually when I think now it should be ... |
| 20:13.21 | sharky | ompaul, because there is a patch for that module that fix the things |
| 20:13.40 | ompaul | sharky: you want to do a diff between the two kernels have fun |
| 20:14.04 | nicholasjanssen | sharky, i suggest you use kdiff3 |
| 20:14.15 | nicholasjanssen | gui and directory comparison |
| 20:14.15 | sharky | ompaul, no just check the psmouse.c file |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | sharky: so get the source and look at it .. this isn't hard |
| 20:14.36 | ronin | isn't it a bit weird that in /etc/modules i have only few loadable modules listed |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | no |
| 20:15.02 | sharky | ompaul, abrotman nicholasjanssen ok thanks |
| 20:15.12 | voxadam | In the interest of speeding up my boot time without buying an SSD (one day... one day) I checked systemd-analyze and found that nmdb is taking over 8 seconds and samba-ad-dc is taking almost 7 seconds. I'm not participating in or running an AD domain, is the ad-dc service necessary? I do have some Samba shares so I'm guessing that the dmdb service is required. |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | voxadam: you access shares, or host shares? |
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| 20:15.47 | voxadam | host shares. |
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| 20:15.52 | abrotman | what is the client? |
| 20:15.59 | voxadam | OS X. |
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| 20:16.14 | abrotman | voxadam: shut it down, see if it still works... seems easy to test :) |
| 20:16.28 | voxadam | :) |
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| 20:17.17 | voxadam | systemd is /so/ much nicer to work with than SysV init. |
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| 20:19.33 | voxadam | Ah... according to "systemd-analyze critical-chain" nmdb is required for smbd. I don't see the AD DC service in that chain. |
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| 20:30.16 | mitchreward | hi guys am lookin for a linux soft to make "diagram", any idea ? |
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| 20:30.47 | kt76 | they're all pretty crummy ... there's draw.io for chrome, it's ok |
| 20:30.56 | f0lder | how to get rid of this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/780kx6w5zefll41/Screenshot%202014-08-20%2022.28.35.png |
| 20:31.29 | voxadam | michaelni: What kind of diagram? Inkscape works. |
| 20:31.55 | kt76 | f0lder, don't upgrade glibc? |
| 20:31.58 | mitchreward | I got a complicated script in perl and am a bit lost in my dev |
| 20:32.04 | f0lder | i need to kt76 |
| 20:32.15 | kt76 | f0lder, well then you will need to restart things |
| 20:32.16 | mitchreward | i'd like to make a diagram to have a better view |
| 20:32.25 | voxadam | michaelni: Wouldn't ditching Perl be easier? |
| 20:32.26 | ronin | sharky, maybe also my usb hub could cause problems |
| 20:32.28 | voxadam | ducks. |
| 20:32.35 | f0lder | i just tried to upgrade squeeze to sweezy |
| 20:32.46 | f0lder | there is no postgresql running, i swear |
| 20:33.09 | mitchreward | voxadam, would better kill myself to leave perl for python |
| 20:33.20 | sharky | ronin, then test it on other machines and see |
| 20:33.24 | kt76 | f0lder, well then go ahead and hit "yes" and just reboot later |
| 20:33.34 | voxadam | michaelni: There's always COBAL. |
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| 20:34.02 | f0lder | it says this then kt76 https://paste.directory/82fc433602bb440c8998 |
| 20:34.35 | f0lder | i tried to upgrade the kernel but then i get the other thing again which requires me to upgrade libc6 |
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| 20:36.09 | ronin | sharky, unfortunately it's hard to test since it works most of the time, just rarely don't :/ |
| 20:36.16 | nicholasjanssen | mithrandirr, python is great |
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| 21:03.45 | raboof | i have a touchscreen and I'd like to enable two-finger scrolling |
| 21:03.56 | danlamanna | i'm trying to install golang out of testing, it's now trying to update libc6 and asking me to restart xscreensaver and xlockmore. is this going to potentially bork anything? |
| 21:04.02 | danlamanna | (on wheezy) |
| 21:04.23 | phogg | danlamanna: not very likely |
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| 21:04.47 | phogg | usually it works without problems and you can't even tell the difference |
| 21:04.58 | ttpearso-work | danlamanna: is the libc6 from a non standard repo? |
| 21:05.07 | raboof | 'evtest' does show other events when i use 2 fingers compared to when I use 1, so that looks good |
| 21:05.18 | danlamanna | ttpearso-work: no |
| 21:05.29 | raboof | but 'xinput list-props' doesn't show anything scrolling-related |
| 21:05.33 | raboof | what would be my next step? |
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| 21:05.46 | ttpearso-work | suspect it'd be ok then |
| 21:06.08 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 21:06.08 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:06.22 | ttpearso-work | nice |
| 21:06.38 | jhutchins | danlamanna: In spite of phogg's statements, mixing releases is generally considered a Very Bad Idea, and is a good way to end up having to do a clean install. |
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| 21:07.12 | phogg | jhutchins: I didn't realize it was a mixed release scenario. No golang for wheezy? |
| 21:07.25 | jhutchins | danlamanna: There are procedures and utilities that make it easy to rebuild a package from testing or sid so that it will install safely on stable. |
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| 21:08.01 | jhutchins | ,golang |
| 21:08.13 | jhutchins | ,v golang |
| 21:08.14 | judd | Package: golang on i386 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; jessie: 2:1.3.1-1; sid: 2:1.3.1-1 |
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| 21:08.49 | ttpearso-work | jhutchins/danlamanna: when I asked if non-standard repo, was referring to any non-debian wheezy repo |
| 21:08.57 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I've done some patchwork for mdbtools, is there a way to generate a diff, and when I generate it, where do I send it? |
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| 21:10.40 | jhutchins | vampi-the-frog: Yeah, diff has an output format that's compatible with patch. As to where to send it, you can either contact the maintainer for it, or go upstream. More info in #debian-mentors on oftc.net |
| 21:12.52 | jhutchins | ttpearso-work: a different version of libc isn't much of a problem, but you start messing with shared libraries and dependencies and you end up with a mess. |
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| 21:14.30 | vampi-the-frog | jhutchins: I noticed the debian version is quite different from the upstream version, plus the upstream might be abandoned, not sure |
| 21:14.39 | vampi-the-frog | but I'll contact the maintainer, thanks |
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| 21:24.48 | srged | I hear a weird sound in my speakers at random times, very rarely and Im sure its not bcz of the mp3. |
| 21:25.11 | nkuttler | srged: does it happen when you don't play mp3s? |
| 21:25.20 | srged | nkuttler: no |
| 21:25.30 | nkuttler | srged: stop downloading badly ripped mp3s? |
| 21:26.00 | nkuttler | srged: is the same sound hearable again when you skip back a few seconds? |
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| 21:26.14 | srged | its not that. i mean I can play again the same mp3 and works nicely till the end. its random |
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| 21:26.23 | ScottE | srged: do you have a GSM phone near the speakers? |
| 21:26.52 | srged | I do actually. but the sound is more like an enectricity release.. or something |
| 21:26.55 | littlebit | hello people, I have a question about running the bluetooth service. I have 2 usb bluetooth devices on my system and I would like to run the normal bluetooth service on one dongle and the sixad service on another dongle. can someone tell me how to run these 2 services on seperate bluetooth dongles? |
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| 21:27.03 | nkuttler | srged: move the phone away |
| 21:27.14 | srged | not the typical gsm |
| 21:27.37 | ScottE | srged: OK, you know what that is, so... |
| 21:27.41 | srged | nkuttler: i can hear the sound maybe once in 3 minuts or maybe once in one hour. really random |
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| 21:28.38 | srged | I think i will look for help in #UFO |
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| 21:29.41 | srged | thx anyway |
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| 21:39.23 | raboof | "(II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'SYNAPTICS Synaptics Large Touch Screen'" - hmm I guess that should be 'synaptics' for best results? |
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| 21:46.04 | sk_ | hi |
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| 21:47.09 | trogdor_ | raboof: look at man xorg.conf.d under INPUTCLASS |
| 21:47.25 | sk_ | hi have removed grub from my debian by accident |
| 21:47.45 | sk_ | and dont found the configuration |
| 21:48.08 | sk_ | is it possible test if is it working without reboot? |
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| 21:48.41 | nkuttler | sk_: um, reinstall it first? |
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| 21:49.36 | srged | so guys I put the phone away to another rooom. and i still get te sound at random times... if i go back it doesnt repeat the strange sound... so its not the mp3 |
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| 21:51.01 | loeken | srged, from your computer? |
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| 21:51.26 | srged | loeken: what do u mean? yeah i play mp3 from the pc |
| 21:52.33 | loeken | i was wondering what you mean lol |
| 21:52.46 | loeken | you play a mp3 on your pc and bring your phone to the other room? |
| 21:53.13 | loeken | i maybe missed the first part of what you said, just connected to the bnc ;) |
| 21:53.23 | srged | ah ok |
| 21:53.34 | nkuttler | srged: could be some other interference, or a problem with your cable, or soundcard, maybe even a software problem |
| 21:53.54 | srged | yes a softeware problem |
| 21:54.04 | srged | I had a hard time install sound on this system |
| 21:54.08 | nkuttler | srged: what happens when you play a different file format, say, flac? |
| 21:54.24 | nkuttler | srged: do you use some kind of sound daemon? |
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| 21:54.31 | srged | nkuttler: i never tried other formats but i need mp3 |
| 21:54.42 | nkuttler | that doesn't answer my question though |
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| 21:54.49 | nkuttler | it's to narrow down the problem |
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| 21:55.38 | srged | nkuttler: i spent many days to get the system working when i installed debian. it was a pain. i guess this issue is software related and if there no easy fix, then i can live with it |
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| 21:57.11 | loeken | srged, then answer his question ^^ |
| 21:57.48 | sk_ | nkuttler: but i think the bootloader exist yet |
| 21:58.05 | nkuttler | sk_: probably, but why bet on it? |
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| 22:13.20 | sk_ | nkuttler: i dont want to reboot the server |
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| 22:13.32 | sk_ | just check is bootloader works |
| 22:13.39 | sk_ | if* |
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| 22:16.35 | jhutchins | sk_: Can't have it both ways. |
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| 22:18.25 | ctmjr | sk_: you can run update-grub and look at the results but as jhutchins say's the only way to see if a bootloader is working is to reboot |
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| 22:19.32 | sk_ | ctmjr: and after reboot, if grub is not good... what i can do? |
| 22:19.54 | ctmjr | fix it |
| 22:20.16 | sk_ | with live cd? |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | or learn grub commands |
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| 22:40.17 | bx1013 | is there any way to update thunar without switching to testing/unstable? the version in stable is 3-4 years old and doesn't have tabs or other modern features |
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| 22:44.05 | luffy2014 | i want to create an iso image of my Debian GNU/Linux 7 system and i want to save that image in a directory called /home/luffy2014/recoverydisk on the *same* hard disk. i only have one hard disk, and no i do not have an external hard disk or flash drive i can use to store the iso image. How can this desktop newbie achieve that goal? |
| 22:44.20 | nkuttler | ,v thunar |
| 22:44.22 | judd | Package: thunar on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-1; sid: 1.6.3-1 |
| 22:44.28 | luffy2014 | i am torn between clonezilla and mondorescue |
| 22:44.31 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport thunar |
| 22:44.33 | judd | Backporting package thunar in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libexo-1-dev (>= 0.10.0), libxfce4util-dev (>= 4.10.0), libxfce4ui-1-dev (>= 4.10.0), xfce4-panel-dev (>= 4.10.0). |
| 22:44.43 | nkuttler | bx1013: doesn't look like it |
| 22:45.36 | bx1013 | that's too bad. i don't mind any other old software in stable but the file manager being so old is annoying |
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| 22:48.13 | abrotman | bx1013: tried another file manager? |
| 22:49.32 | bx1013 | i have tried spacefm. it's an abandoned project, but is pretty nice otherwise |
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| 22:50.42 | bx1013 | i like thunar's custom actions. you can create your own context menu |
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| 22:53.59 | rgr | luffy2014: you could also consider a simple rsync to an internal partition or external usb which you mount/unmount after doing an incremental sync. Yes, you would have to reinstall grub after copying back after a catastrophe but its very nice and fast for incremental backups. |
| 22:55.01 | rgr | here's my script : easily modified. https://gist.github.com/92aa9e5a431d39ea07fe |
| 22:55.42 | luffy2014 | rgr, , i do not have an external usb device and i would prefer an easier solution like mondorescue or clonezilla |
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| 22:56.19 | rgr | if you think they're easier fair enough. I think they're horribly overengineered and inefficient : especially for (as I say) incremental backup up. |
| 22:56.50 | rgr | Any backup not external is a complete waste of time anyway IMO. If your disk crashes your backup goes too. |
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| 23:51.59 | gquiz | how do i give a user on my box sudo? |
| 23:52.12 | nosklo | gquiz: use visudo |
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| 23:56.34 | gquiz | is there a way to just add a new user that has sudo privileges when you're adding it? |
| 23:57.28 | dondelelcaro | gquiz: yes, just add them to the sudo group |
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