| 00:00.06 | nkuttler | !tell MadTBone about debian/rules |
| 00:00.19 | nkuttler | MadTBone: that is, if the app can't tell you |
| 00:00.30 | nkuttler | MadTBone: sometimes --version or such does |
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| 00:01.18 | MadTBone | nkuttler: right. I'm more looking for a generic way that would lead to other build/install info |
| 00:01.28 | MadTBone | nkuttler: thanks for the tell |
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| 00:16.14 | gregor2 | how can i get utf-8 on debian with irssi |
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| 00:16.41 | nkuttler | gregor2: hm, does your terminal support unicode? |
| 00:16.55 | gregor2 | dont know |
| 00:17.10 | nkuttler | gregor2: output of locale? paste.debian.net |
| 00:17.20 | gregor2 | it says c |
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| 00:17.53 | nkuttler | gregor2: can you see these chars: ããã ? |
| 00:17.57 | gregor2 | http://paste.debian.net/117020/ |
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| 00:18.15 | mirak | hello |
| 00:18.24 | gregor2 | no |
| 00:18.27 | mirak | is there a way to run a command for a specific duration |
| 00:18.47 | mirak | like $ cat /dev/video0 > file.mpeg |
| 00:18.59 | mirak | that would stop after 3 hours |
| 00:19.00 | nkuttler | gregor2: C looks kinda wrong to me, should probably contain UTF-8 |
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| 00:20.08 | mirak | i guess it's timeout command |
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| 00:20.50 | nkuttler | gregor2: you can dpkg-reconfigure locales and build one with unicode. not sure that's necessary, but i always do that |
| 00:21.12 | nkuttler | gregor2: like en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 00:22.29 | nkuttler | gregor2: might want to have a look here as well https://fruit.je/utf-8 |
| 00:22.41 | nkuttler | gregor2: could be just an irssi thing |
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| 00:45.30 | daJu | Hi, any idea where I can find a good doc to make a good mail server? |
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| 01:19.09 | MadTBone | If I modify an init script to use a daemon that's been compiled and installed in ~foo/bar/, the program seems to try to load libraries from the standard library paths, rather than the libraries in ~foo/bar/. However, if I just run the daemon directly, the right libraries are loaded. Anyone know why? |
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| 01:21.27 | c3w | possibly that root's LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesnt include your home dir |
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| 01:24.22 | MadTBone | hmm... if I run it directly as root it works as expected... |
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| 01:29.54 | DanDare | Well, this is insane. My /var/log/php/error.log is a unique file of 1.3GB |
| 01:30.09 | gtaw | Whoa |
| 01:30.36 | DanDare | Im curious now why it doesnt split the logs like the other ones |
| 01:31.21 | PryMar56 | DanDare, config it: /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 01:31.50 | DanDare | PryMar56, ok, thank you. I will take a look into that |
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| 01:32.42 | PryMar56 | it should be /etc/logrotate.d |
| 01:32.43 | DanDare | Now I see, bad code is populating it fast. Stuff like "A session had already been started" etc |
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| 01:33.15 | DanDare | ok |
| 01:41.35 | DanDare | Anyway Im amazed. 1.3GB worth of a ASCII file may be like entire books ever publish on earth in a single file |
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| 01:51.34 | dashdanw | i am running a debian server and i can ping the subnet but for some reason i can't access anything outside the gateway |
| 01:51.46 | dashdanw | # ping www.google.com |
| 01:51.48 | dashdanw | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 01:52.18 | dashdanw | i'm currently ssh'ed into it from another box though so I know it's connected to the subnet |
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| 02:00.19 | xbytemx | dashdanw: did you already set a default route? |
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| 03:16.39 | shay_shay | http://hastebin.com/oyugojijuy.txt woot! |
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| 11:18.39 | guessfg | http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx |
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| 11:25.20 | kakadu | hi |
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| 11:25.47 | kakadu | can you recommend me the link where I can get how to create debian/control from debian/control.in? |
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| 11:27.08 | shevy | I accidentally removed /usr/bin/env - is there a way to re-download only this program? |
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| 11:27.47 | MY123 | shevy: Coreutils ? On which architectue |
| 11:27.51 | MY123 | ? |
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| 11:31.18 | shevy | yeah coreutils, I am on x86_64 |
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| 11:31.57 | MY123 | shevy: apt-get --reinstall install coreutils |
| 11:32.13 | MY123 | Will make you happy. |
| 11:32.25 | shevy | cool let me try that |
| 11:32.40 | shevy | yeah, that worked, env is back in place - thanks MY123 |
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| 11:33.33 | tremon | kakadu: .in files are usually parsed by autoconf. I haven't seen it used for debian/control before though |
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| 11:35.47 | kakadu | tremon: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-wine/wine.git/tree/debian?id=362b14f3be135d401d628817abe0c62dc5fcf430 |
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| 11:46.35 | erozt | newer version of xul-ext-noscript in wheezy than in wheezy-backports? Is this intentional? |
| 11:47.11 | tremon | kakadu: that control.in contains no autoconf macros, nor is the file referenced from configure.ac. You can just try the usual autotools song and dance (aclocal, autoconf, ./configure) and see what happens, or ask on #debian-mentors or the pkg-wine mailinglist |
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| 11:47.39 | tremon | probably running aclocal isn't necessary, as aclocal.m4 is already present |
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| 11:49.09 | tremon | #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:51.02 | kakadu | tremon: thanks |
| 11:53.47 | tremon | erozt: I might hope that everything that is in debian's repositories is there with intent :). As for xul-ext-noscript, I believe mozilla-pkg has an exception to the debian stable guidelines because upstream doesn't do bugfix releases |
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| 11:54.37 | tremon | so it's perfectly possible for mozilla-pkg to push a new xul runtime through stable, which necessitates new plugin versions as well |
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| 11:56.34 | tremon | erozt: although I see that iceweasel is still nicely on 24 in stable |
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| 11:58.24 | bsdator | hi,home partition is mounted read only.how to fix this? |
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| 11:59.31 | erozt | that firefox 3.5 is still distributed via debian-oldstable is outstanding. |
| 11:59.38 | tremon | bsdator: depends on the why |
| 11:59.53 | erozt | tremon: apt has just upgraded noscript from backports to stable :-) |
| 12:00.54 | tremon | erozt: it may be that they were providing newer versions through backports while waiting for a debian point release. You'd have to ask them :) |
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| 12:02.11 | bsdator | i ran 'fsck /dev/sdc1' to get'there is 223 inodes multiply-claimed.what doess that mean? |
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| 12:03.32 | tremon | bsdator: that sounds like filesystem corruption. Verify your backups, then let fsck fix things |
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| 12:06.10 | tremon | erozt: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740539 |
| 12:07.31 | tremon | short version: the wheezy version had a bug, which could be either fixed by the -backports version or the -testing version. Looks like they chose to ship the -testing version in stable |
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| 12:09.11 | tremon | bsdator: note, the backups thing is not optional. Some errors can only be fixed by fsck by removing entire directory trees |
| 12:09.58 | erozt | almost always, I am able to set the cpu clock with a command like "cpufreq-set -r --min 1.20GHz --max 1.73GHz", but sporadically, like right now, it gives its usual error message. Any idea why? |
| 12:10.02 | tremon | I do not believe that mutiply-linked inodes are in that category, but I don't deal with fsck on a regular basis |
| 12:11.11 | MY123 | erozt: VCore ? |
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| 12:12.22 | erozt | tremon: but it doesn't make much sense to ship an old xul-ext-noscript version in backports without providing a supported iceweasel version, also. |
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| 12:13.32 | erozt | MY123: I am not using that |
| 12:14.10 | erozt | MY123: (if you mean the Virtual Command Operations [...]) |
| 12:14.28 | tremon | -backports isn't a self-contained repository, it's an overlay. The noscript version in -backports works fine (should work fine) with iceweasel in stable |
| 12:14.36 | erozt | MY123: ah sorry, you mean the core voltage |
| 12:14.44 | MY123 | erozt: The VCore, the CPU voltage. |
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| 12:15.17 | tremon | obviously, the -backports version should now be dropped since there's a newer version in stable |
| 12:15.40 | erozt | tremon: ^^ |
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| 12:18.50 | erozt | MY123: usually it works on the very same system: https://paste.debian.net/117092/ |
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| 12:19.24 | erozt | MY123: I want to raise the upper limit to close to 2GHz |
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| 12:42.43 | freeaaa | http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx try it free tips if lose |
| 12:44.49 | erozt | can anyone tell me please why I am not able to raise my cpu's upper clock limit to 1.73GHz or so? I underclocked it to 1.2GHz and want to raise it again... |
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| 12:56.44 | TheRelic | i have a directory named website, inside website i have a bunch of dirs, subdirs, and files in all over it |
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| 12:57.00 | TheRelic | how can i look in that folder for a certain word and change any found to another word? |
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| 13:00.51 | themill | TheRelic: sed -i 's/foo/bar/' file1 file2; but be careful that you're not changing more than you plan for |
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| 13:02.32 | TheRelic | i want to look into a folder named rddstarter insie ~ and find every file that has bitcoin in the title file name, if it finds it only remove the bit part and add redd |
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| 13:05.12 | tremon | TheRelic: are you looking to change file names or file contents? |
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| 13:07.38 | TheRelic | names |
| 13:07.51 | TheRelic | all files/folders that have bitcoin in them i want to make reddcoin |
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| 13:12.39 | erozt | why does a command like this sporadically not work? cpufreq-set -r --min 1.2GHz --max 1.73GHz |
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| 13:16.34 | tremon | I think I came across an mv command that supported regex-based renames (was it in zsh?), but using pure sh, I'd be looking at something like mv "$file" "$(echo $file | sed s/bit/redd/)", with an appropriate loop |
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| 13:17.03 | themill | prename |
| 13:17.56 | TheRelic | ok ty |
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| 13:18.57 | tremon | ah there you go. TheRelic: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=prename will probably save you a lot of shell fighting |
| 13:20.16 | raccoon_ | or just "rename"; seems to be same command (at least according to debian man pages) |
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| 13:21.07 | TheRelic | err the whole database |
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| 13:22.02 | themill | raccoon_: at the moment but not in general |
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| 13:23.11 | tremon | according to p.d.o, the package is rename and the binary is called file-rename. Probably update-alternatives handles the generic "rename" command |
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| 13:26.02 | themill | In wheezy, rename is prename by default and is part of perl. In jessie, rename is in rename and will be prename if people install recommends. In jessie+1, .... It's worth getting used to calling prename prename so you don't accidentally get the wrong rename. |
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| 13:28.16 | kate` | hello... i'm trying to use the broadcom b43 firmware; i have the firmware installed, the module loaded, and dmesg shows approprite blurb. but no wifi interface per ifconfig |
| 13:28.22 | kate` | any idea how to investigate that? |
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| 13:35.24 | kate` | oh no. nevermind. i can use the brcmsmac module instead, and that works fine |
| 13:35.26 | kate` | super |
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| 13:43.53 | paxcoder | Why is mencoder not in post-stable repos? |
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| 13:45.20 | themill | paxcoder: because mencoder is built by mplayer and mplayer is unloved, fails to compile and has been removed from debian. (You might like to look at avconv which generally does a better job anyway) |
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| 13:46.15 | paxcoder | themill, umm mplayer is in post-stable repos |
| 13:46.30 | themill | ,v mplayer --release sid |
| 13:46.32 | judd | No package named 'mplayer' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 13:47.17 | paxcoder | ,v mplayer2 |
| 13:47.18 | judd | Package: mplayer2 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; jessie: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-2+b1; sid: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-2+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120817-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo3 |
| 13:47.28 | paxcoder | so should v2 have mencoder? |
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| 13:47.43 | tremon | paxcoder: mplayer2 isn't shipping mencoder iirc |
| 13:48.09 | themill | mplayer2 and mplayer aren't necessarily related projects. |
| 13:48.31 | tremon | paxcoder: http://www.mplayer2.org/differences/#mencoder-is-no-longer-available |
| 13:48.42 | paxcoder | oh... but my script uses mencoder :( |
| 13:48.50 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.47 | paxcoder | themill, is it compatible though? |
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| 13:50.08 | themill | it has equivalent functionality |
| 13:50.10 | paxcoder | wait, isn't avconv the ffmpeg replacement? |
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| 13:50.25 | tremon | no, it's not a replacement. It's a parallel project/fork |
| 13:50.41 | paxcoder | right right |
| 13:50.53 | paxcoder | ah well, i have no idea how to do what i want there... :/ |
| 13:50.57 | paxcoder | thanks for the answers though |
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| 13:51.31 | Bluewolf | Hi, how does one change gtk3 themes in Debian. I created a .Themes file in the home folder adding themes I downloaded in Ubuntu (Does this also apply for Debian) ? |
| 13:52.27 | erozt | would you suggest to use avconv over ffmpeg? Has anyone experience with avconv so far? |
| 13:54.14 | themill | Sure, plenty of people. |
| 13:55.28 | pessoa | I read "f mpreg" (fanfiction with male pregnancy) instead of "ffmpeg" |
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| 13:55.49 | Mo_ | Hi. Can iceweasel connect to some firefox sync 2.0? |
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| 14:00.07 | Bluewolf | Mo_: It should |
| 14:00.22 | Bluewolf | I think' |
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| 14:26.26 | erozt | the package owncloud recommends libreoffice? What's the relation between those tools? |
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| 14:31.10 | ThreadKiLL | Hi I have simple question, how do i kill task in debian with in 1 command? without killing my login |
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| 14:39.19 | h933w | Hi. I want to install an encrypted Ubuntu system with UEFI mode. So I need a EFI-partition > Do I also need an extra unencrypted /boot-partition? Want to use LVM/LUKS |
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| 14:40.29 | petn-randall | h933w: Try asking in #ubuntu. |
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| 14:47.45 | pycoderf | hello all. is there a way to make pt-get download dependencies with debian like it does in mint ? |
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| 14:50.30 | petn-randall | pycoderf: You'll have to explain how Mint does it differently ... |
| 14:51.50 | pycoderf | so i just tried to apt-get curl on debian, it says "depends on x" then errors. in mint or ubuntu if you do that it will find the dependencies and download them as well |
| 14:53.17 | h933w | Hi. Does somebody know the solution for here: https://superuser.com/questions/649091/uefi-and-full-disk-encryption-with-lvm-on-luks |
| 14:53.49 | themill | pycoderf: that won't be different in debian... perhaps you could pastebin the entire output so we don't have to guess what x is. |
| 14:53.53 | themill | dpkg: tell pycoderf about bat |
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| 14:54.58 | pycoderf | sec, have to installvbox stuff to copy and paste |
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| 14:55.49 | petn-randall | h933w: You said earlier you're running Ubuntu. Please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 14:55.50 | maziar | hello every one , i want some document about RIMAP ( remote imap ) , can any body help me ? |
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| 14:59.17 | pycoderf | so this isnt letting me copy/pate but let me geta screenshot |
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| 15:02.12 | pycoderf | thmill: http://i.imgur.com/l8BnvTK.png |
| 15:02.13 | petn-randall | !tell pycoderf about nopaste |
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| 15:02.51 | petn-randall | pycoderf: Looks like you mixed repositories and broke your system. Did you add any repositories to the installation? |
| 15:03.02 | pycoderf | how could i have done that on a cleean install |
| 15:03.10 | pycoderf | without ever touchng sources.list |
| 15:03.15 | pycoderf | and no |
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| 15:03.46 | petn-randall | pycoderf: Can you provide the info the bot asked you for? |
| 15:03.54 | themill | Which release of debian have you installed, and what's the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy curl libcurl3" |
| 15:03.58 | pycoderf | i could but i have the same problem installing that application |
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| 15:04.14 | petn-randall | !tell pycoderf about bat |
| 15:04.26 | petn-randall | pycoderf: Not the nopaste one, the 'bat' one. |
| 15:04.46 | themill | (and there's no package called "steam-launcher" in debian, so it came from somewhere other than debian... "fresh" install...) |
| 15:05.38 | pycoderf | ok but i am just trying apt-get curl |
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| 15:06.13 | pycoderf | and this chat isnt helpful as i said i cant install the nopaste and such to get the output you want |
| 15:06.20 | pycoderf | because of the original issue |
| 15:06.48 | themill | You could still show me a screenshot of that ouput |
| 15:06.54 | petn-randall | pycoderf: How so? Run the commands the bot asked you for, and paste the screenshot, as before. |
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| 15:13.35 | mirak | hi |
| 15:13.36 | mirak | is there a way to cat an audio block device straight to a file ? |
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| 15:14.49 | petn-randall | mirak: There are no audio block devices. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:15.09 | mirak | /dev/snd/* are not audio devices ? |
| 15:15.18 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.53 | petn-randall | mirak: They are, but they're not block devices. |
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| 15:16.49 | mirak | petn-randall: I have a mpeg2 video capture card. I recorded some stuffs fine. But it seems the audio input can't handle well some high signals from the VCR. So I want to record sound through the sound card |
| 15:16.50 | mirak | line in |
| 15:17.20 | mirak | however I used a simple cat /dev/video0 > file.mpeg to get a niece stream |
| 15:17.37 | mirak | now it looks trickier to have something as simple as this |
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| 15:18.00 | mirak | i will try with vlc |
| 15:18.09 | mirak | to record from line in at the same time |
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| 15:19.11 | ssagsadfj | hi |
| 15:19.19 | ssagsadfj | i want solid work for gnu/linux how? |
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| 15:20.27 | centrx | ssagsadfj, Write an empty loop program that uses 100% of the CPU? |
| 15:20.43 | petn-randall | ssagsadfj: There's the debian-jobs mailinglist, but Linux-related jobs aren't really limited to Debian. |
| 15:21.12 | ssagsadfj | i want app solid work for gnu/linux how? |
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| 15:25.05 | centrx | ssagsadfj, Find a job board in your language? |
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| 15:32.08 | Kobaz | hey, anyone ever have problems with linux wireless where if you just specify the ap it wont connect, but if you force the channel, then it will associate? |
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| 16:03.26 | asdf__ | Hello |
| 16:04.03 | asdf__ | Does anyone know why the settings in /etc/default/tmpfs seem to have no effect while running jessie? |
| 16:05.28 | tremon | asdf__: at a guess, maybe you're running systemd, and systemd happily ignores /etc/default? |
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| 16:06.00 | nkuttler | asdf__: jessie support is in #debian-next on oftc |
| 16:06.07 | asdf__ | you're right |
| 16:06.18 | asdf__ | thanks |
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| 16:06.22 | asdf__ | and ok |
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| 16:12.03 | asdf__ | tremon: thanks, it's solved now |
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| 16:12.20 | asdf__ | And next time I'll ask in #debian-next |
| 16:12.25 | asdf__ | bye all! |
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| 16:22.21 | bbtech | Can someone take a look at my partition during debian install? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9wqoBMx4URmQlJRUU1pRTRJYXM/edit?usp=sharing |
| 16:22.42 | bbtech | I'm unsure about the primary 254 mb lvm |
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| 16:22.55 | bbtech | Is it supposed to be bootable? |
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| 16:26.14 | jelly-home | bbtech: grub does not require a "bootable" flag to be set on any partition |
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| 16:26.54 | bbtech | jelly-home, So, it can be set to bootable but isn't necessary? |
| 16:27.11 | jelly-home | bbtech: correct |
| 16:27.24 | jelly-home | I'm a bit surprised the installer is using lvm for /boot, but hey |
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| 16:27.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: grub supports lvm |
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| 16:27.55 | dondelelcaro | (modern versions of grub, anyway) |
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| 16:28.33 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: but I don't see the value of making a 250MB PV for just /boot |
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| 16:28.42 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: oh. Yeah, there's no reason to do that. |
| 16:28.58 | jelly-home | (and I don't really see /boot in the screenshot) |
| 16:29.04 | JyZyXEL | what would be a good tool for backing up a 5 terabyte array? |
| 16:29.18 | bbtech | jelly, yeah, there is no /boot, that is why I'm confused |
| 16:29.23 | tremon | JyZyXEL: another 5TB array |
| 16:29.25 | JyZyXEL | or rather a solution |
| 16:29.43 | JyZyXEL | tremon: thats not a backup, thats a mirror |
| 16:29.46 | dondelelcaro | bbtech: /boot would just be on whatever partition is / |
| 16:29.50 | JyZyXEL | and mirror is not a backup |
| 16:29.51 | bbtech | jelly-home, is this partition setup broken? what do I need to do to fix it? |
| 16:30.22 | bbtech | jelly-home, should I delete the 254 partition? |
| 16:30.41 | jelly-home | bbtech: I do not know whether it's broken, sorry. I don't think I've used the installed for debian 7 in its guided partitioning mode. |
| 16:30.42 | pfsense_rookie | JyZyXEL, if it's not a backup, what is it? |
| 16:30.53 | JyZyXEL | pfsense_rookie: its a mirror |
| 16:30.54 | tremon | meh, depends on your definition I guess. A backup is a point-in-time mirror, so whether a mirror is a backup depends on the synchronization strategy |
| 16:31.04 | dondelelcaro | pfsense_rookie: it's not really a backup, because if there is garbage on the main partition, there will be garbage on the mirror |
| 16:31.23 | dondelelcaro | pfsense_rookie: a real backup will enable you to go back in time at least a reasonable amount |
| 16:31.32 | bbtech | jelly-home, ok, I'll keep it then. I don't quite understand what the 254 is for? Is that where grub is installed? |
| 16:31.52 | JyZyXEL | yeah so the ability to make and store deltas is needed |
| 16:32.13 | JyZyXEL | and pooling to to increase space efficiency |
| 16:32.26 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: I'd probably use rdiff-backup, possibly obnam, depending on the nature of the files |
| 16:32.47 | JyZyXEL | dondelelcaro: i don't think rdiff-backup or rsnapshot has pooling? |
| 16:33.16 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: it doesn't, but pooling tends to result in sacrificing speed |
| 16:33.31 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: so if you want pooling more than speed, obnam. |
| 16:33.41 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: if you want speed more than pooling, rdiff-backup or similar. |
| 16:33.45 | JyZyXEL | dondelelcaro: i definitely want pooling |
| 16:35.29 | JyZyXEL | dondelelcaro: i would use backuppc, but the machine is already running backuppc pulling backups to the array from other computers |
| 16:35.42 | JyZyXEL | and backuppc does not support running multiple instances |
| 16:36.01 | JyZyXEL | *hmmmm*, unless i run the other backuppc in a virtual machine! |
| 16:36.11 | bbtech | yeah, debian is finally installing took like 6 hours to encrypt the 128GB drive |
| 16:36.39 | bbtech | I hope that's not a sign of how slow the computer will run under encryption |
| 16:36.56 | bbtech | *using an ssd |
| 16:37.06 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: hm, why do you want more instances? you can run as many jobs as you like in parallel, can't you? |
| 16:37.39 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: but the existing backuppc is storing the backups on the array, so i cannot have the array backed up onto itself |
| 16:37.47 | nkuttler | oh snap |
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| 16:38.04 | JyZyXEL | the backups made from that array would need to be stored on another array and backuppc does not support that |
| 16:38.06 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: i guess simply excluding the backups is no option? |
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| 16:38.31 | JyZyXEL | backuppc stores all the backups in the same location |
| 16:38.36 | JyZyXEL | because of the pooling |
| 16:38.49 | nkuttler | ok |
| 16:39.22 | nkuttler | there's a #backuppc fwiw, low traffic + very slow responses though |
| 16:39.23 | tremon | bbtech: it was not "encrypting" the drive, it was priming the disk, i.e. filling it with random data |
| 16:39.49 | JyZyXEL | its pretty much dead |
| 16:39.58 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if other backup solutions exist |
| 16:40.45 | bbtech | tremon, oh, must be a slow algorithm then |
| 16:40.53 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Seriously? There are about as many backup solutions as there are linux installations. |
| 16:41.05 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: and how many of them feature pooling? :p |
| 16:41.26 | JyZyXEL | and scale to a multi terabyte level |
| 16:41.46 | JyZyXEL | suddenly the list gets short |
| 16:42.02 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: actually, what is the problem? you need two separate pools? |
| 16:42.18 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: yeah |
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| 16:43.50 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: oh yeah, perhaps i could simply restart backuppc with another pool location when i wanna back up the array |
| 16:44.12 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: i was thinking about that, but then you'd need entough to time to finish the jobs |
| 16:44.26 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: was wondering though, why is running a second instance a problem? |
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| 16:46.15 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: i guess one could manually run two different instances |
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| 16:46.42 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: i never tried it, but i was thinking it should support more than one config location. |
| 16:47.17 | JyZyXEL | the debian packages init scripts and apache configurations for backuppc assume that only one instance is running |
| 16:47.25 | nkuttler | sure |
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| 16:48.24 | userf | use awesome awesome is awesome |
| 16:48.25 | Zirond | Hello |
| 16:48.58 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: but the primary backuppc would not need to be running at the same time anyways, so i could perhaps just make two differents sets of configurations for backuppc and swap between them |
| 16:49.00 | pessoa | awesome is too dynamic for my taste |
| 16:49.21 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: what about the nightly cleanup scripts? |
| 16:49.42 | Zirond | I'm having problems whit my wifi. NetworkManager it shows connected, but I dont have connection to the internet |
| 16:49.47 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: i mean, setting up another http port sounds trivial |
| 16:50.01 | userf | pessoa: what you mean as 'too dynamic'? |
| 16:50.05 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: and writing another init script as well |
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| 16:51.14 | JyZyXEL | hmm, yeah, perhaps i could just run two instances concurrently |
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| 16:51.52 | JyZyXEL | will be interesting to see how god awful the performance will be |
| 16:52.10 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: you could specify blackout times to avoid overlaps |
| 16:52.19 | JyZyXEL | i definitely will be excluding backing up the primary backuppc pool |
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| 16:54.37 | JyZyXEL | hmm, i wonder how the ext4 dump utility would compare to this |
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| 16:56.06 | JyZyXEL | dump does incrementals but im not sure if it is as space efficient as pooling is |
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| 16:56.34 | JyZyXEL | like would it realize if a file had been moved and not bother including the data in the incremental |
| 16:58.06 | pessoa | awesome automatically arranges windows, squeezing them into given layouts |
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| 17:07.45 | TheRelic | how do i give a none root but has access to sudo user perm to use port? |
| 17:09.19 | nkuttler | TheRelic: ? |
| 17:09.36 | nkuttler | TheRelic: you want a normal user to access privileged ports? |
| 17:09.48 | TheRelic | using django when i tried to use http://IP:80 as the runserver i got you are not authorized to use this port |
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| 17:10.07 | nkuttler | TheRelic: runserver shouldn't run publicly anyway |
| 17:10.16 | nkuttler | TheRelic: let's talk about this in #django |
| 17:10.53 | TheRelic | but its a debian question |
| 17:11.00 | TheRelic | i'll need to know for future ref if it happens again ;P |
| 17:11.09 | nkuttler | TheRelic: you can't |
| 17:11.52 | nkuttler | TheRelic: runserver is *not* for production. you can reverse proxy that, use wsgi, etc. read the deployment docs |
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| 17:14.00 | pessoa | fortunately, debiam comes with dozens of window managers to choose from |
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| 17:21.00 | dn4 | how do I get my boot to stop at certain init stages? |
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| 17:24.08 | uwjesq | Hello. My Samsung display stays black after I get the black screen for idling a few minutes. |
| 17:24.44 | uwjesq | It only wakes up after I switch to an app that is very white and turn the screen on and off a hundred times for about 10 minutes. |
| 17:24.50 | raccoon_ | marvin-hh: "forever"? what are you trying to accomplish by doing that? |
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| 17:27.16 | tremon | marvin-hh: it's theoretically possible, on a perfect turing machine |
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| 17:32.48 | dontknow | i see chromium is in repo on debian wheezy. so chromium is totally free? |
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| 17:33.34 | tremon | dontknow: it's dfsg-free |
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| 17:33.50 | dontknow | tremon, what does it mean? |
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| 17:35.19 | tremon | https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 17:35.43 | pessoa | bare-bones chromium is free |
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| 17:41.39 | mhoney | which built-in user should own the /var/www dir? |
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| 17:43.05 | tremon | mhoney: root |
| 17:43.32 | mhoney | hmmm.. not www-data? |
| 17:45.04 | tremon | I'm not sure how debian configures it, but I usually set only the www-data group on it, not the user. |
| 17:45.45 | mhoney | if user root owns /var/www then no other process can create files/directories |
| 17:46.02 | mhoney | even if you set g+w on the www |
| 17:46.27 | tremon | are you sure? |
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| 17:47.08 | mhoney | owncloud would only create the data dir if I changed www to be owned by www-data even though the group was already www-data |
| 17:47.54 | tremon | ,v owncloud |
| 17:47.55 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 7.0.1+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 7.0.1+dfsg-1; jessie: 7.0.1+dfsg-1; experimental: 7.0.2~rc1+dfsg-1 |
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| 17:48.28 | mhoney | I just find it strange that debian would install apache2 with root owning www. file permissions always screw me up in linux |
| 17:48.30 | tremon | mhoney: I'm not sure about that, I haven't used it |
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| 17:54.41 | mhoney | how can I make files created in a particular directory always owned by www-data no matter who creates them? |
| 17:55.54 | karlpinc | I see in wheezy that UTC is no longer in /etc/default/rcS. But where can I rtfm about /etc/adjtime? (I seem to have converted my box from UTC to my time zone, but...) |
| 17:55.59 | tremon | set the setgid bit on the directory, e.g. chmod g+s |
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| 17:56.03 | tremon | mhoney: ^^ |
| 17:56.44 | karlpinc | mhoney: You might find more in http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
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| 17:56.50 | mhoney | karlpinc, you talking about tzdata? |
| 17:56.59 | tremon | karlpinc: my /etc/default/rcS still has a UTC=yes line in it |
| 17:57.33 | karlpinc | mhoney: No. It probably has to do with whether the hw clock is in UTC or local time. |
| 17:57.58 | karlpinc | mhoney: The wiki link has to do with permissons etc. |
| 17:58.33 | karlpinc | tremon: man 5 rcS says it's supposed to have "migrated automatically". ? |
| 17:59.20 | tremon | karlpinc: I see :) |
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| 18:01.21 | Bluewolf | Hi how do I install wine on debian, along with wine tricks |
| 18:01.24 | tremon | karlpinc: see man 8 hwclock, option --utc: "If you specify neither [..], the default is whichever was specified the last time hwclock was used to set the clock" |
| 18:01.25 | Bluewolf | ? |
| 18:01.26 | jorge | a little bsd never hurt anyone |
| 18:01.52 | tremon | jorge: but a lot can kill you? |
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| 18:02.19 | jorge | :) |
| 18:02.20 | mrdeb | hi |
| 18:02.40 | mrdeb | so basically difference between debian and ubuntu is different freeze dates, is that it |
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| 18:04.04 | gareim | mrdeb: it's a bit more than just freeze dates |
| 18:04.10 | jorge | ubuntu is a turd |
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| 18:04.14 | gareim | ^ |
| 18:04.21 | karlpinc | tremon: So maybe /etc/adjtime is where it keeps the "whichever"? I'm just looking for some docs here. |
| 18:04.21 | jorge | install debian! :) |
| 18:04.31 | mrdeb | yes it is but i mean its all debian raelly, and ubuntu just does sid version and stops |
| 18:04.58 | tremon | karlpinc: that's what the manual suggests, yes. Have you read /etc/adjtime? |
| 18:05.00 | gareim | mrdeb: i think ubuntu does a lot of their own patches, but someone correct me if im wrong. plus, ubuntu's design choices are.. questionable |
| 18:05.14 | mrdeb | yes i dont mean design, core stuff |
| 18:05.29 | karlpinc | mrdeb: Not really, they do some stuff differtly. Especially in terms of quality control, but also quite a lot in terms of the user experience. |
| 18:05.38 | karlpinc | tremon: yes. |
| 18:05.53 | gareim | if you're trying to ask if ubuntu is just descended from debian without regards to design choices or whatever, then yes. but you already knew that answer so i don't know why you're asking |
| 18:06.04 | mrdeb | also when will iceweasel 24 ESR be replaced by 31, which is esr now |
| 18:06.09 | mrdeb | 12 weeks? |
| 18:06.23 | tremon | mrdeb: it will not |
| 18:06.35 | mrdeb | they went from esr 11 to 24 |
| 18:06.43 | karlpinc | mrdeb: You probably want mozilla.debian.org (IIRC) |
| 18:06.47 | mrdeb | so it makes sense to do 31 when 24 stops |
| 18:06.53 | tremon | mrdeb: they did not (17 was esr too) |
| 18:07.00 | mrdeb | yes 17 in between |
| 18:07.22 | karlpinc | mrdeb: But debian stable is stable, it changes minimally. So unless you use the backported versions you don't get something newer. |
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| 18:07.58 | mrdeb | it is only called stable |
| 18:08.05 | mrdeb | they are not really anymore stable than the others |
| 18:08.14 | gareim | lolol, okay. |
| 18:08.15 | mrdeb | only freeze at one point |
| 18:08.23 | mrdeb | i know. i tested both long time |
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| 18:08.51 | tremon | mrdeb: you seem to have misunderstood what "stable" means |
| 18:08.57 | mrdeb | no, i know what it means |
| 18:09.13 | mrdeb | stable in debian isnt stable always, it just means point freeze and updates to security |
| 18:09.22 | gareim | having used stable, testing, and sid for extended periods of time, testing isn't exactly broken, but it breaks more often than stable does. |
| 18:09.26 | mrdeb | i understand |
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| 18:09.43 | tremon | once a debian release has reached stable, it doesn't change unless by necessity. A new upstream version isn't necessity |
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| 18:10.52 | marvin-hh | raccoon_: obviously, I would not want apt-get to run forever. |
| 18:11.14 | marvin-hh | raccoon_: I am having difficulties as to comprehend how you ever have considered that particular interpretation. |
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| 18:12.28 | mrdeb | why is jump from kernel 3.2 to 3.14 increasing iso size by 300mb |
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| 18:12.37 | karlpinc | mrdeb: So, get the newer stuff from (IIRC) mozilla.debian.org |
| 18:12.54 | mrdeb | i dont like this. i mean it seems android spyware in kernel etc |
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| 18:13.00 | mrdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.05 | tremon | mrdeb: because you're including both the compiled kernel and its source? |
| 18:13.11 | gareim | i think mrdeb is trolling us |
| 18:13.13 | mrdeb | what no |
| 18:13.22 | mrdeb | i mean deb 7 is is 670 etc |
| 18:13.29 | mrdeb | deb 8 is 900+ |
| 18:13.38 | mrdeb | didnt happen with 6 to 7 |
| 18:13.42 | mrdeb | ok? |
| 18:13.43 | tremon | and you think the kernel is the only thing that has changed? |
| 18:13.57 | mrdeb | no but what then |
| 18:14.08 | gareim | every other piece of software in debian |
| 18:14.18 | gareim | we're not limited to 700mb CDs anymore. get with the times. |
| 18:14.34 | mrdeb | ok well it is suspicious and not just debia but othe linux distros too |
| 18:14.43 | gareim | because software gets bigger over time. |
| 18:14.48 | mrdeb | hmm |
| 18:15.04 | tremon | perhaps #debian-boot can give you an answer to that |
| 18:15.33 | mrdeb | anyone know about via openchrome on linux |
| 18:15.33 | tremon | it probably has to do with package selection, some of the packages that used to be on CD1 gained more dependencies |
| 18:15.37 | mrdeb | is it stable |
| 18:15.54 | mrdeb | i c |
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| 18:16.24 | tremon | once testing is frozen, the installer team will start pruning the selection to see what fits and what will not |
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| 18:16.34 | mrdeb | oh i c |
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| 18:19.45 | mrdeb | bye |
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| 18:25.21 | raccoon_ | marvin-hh: 19:23 < marvin-hh> Is it possible for apt-get to run forever? |
| 18:25.42 | marvin-hh | raccoon_: and you have no idea what someone might mean by that? |
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| 18:26.00 | raccoon_ | obviously, no |
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| 18:26.11 | marvin-hh | raccoon_: well, please don't get a professional support role then. |
| 18:26.15 | raccoon_ | haha |
| 18:26.18 | raccoon_ | check |
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| 18:26.37 | autrilla | How could I get torrents (un copyrighted video) on my debian server and then stream it to my phone? |
| 18:27.06 | autrilla | I don't have enough space on my phone to download them, so that's the only alternative I can think if |
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| 18:27.10 | autrilla | Of* |
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| 18:27.55 | gareim | autrillia: i used to use samba shares + es file explorer (android) once in a while |
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| 18:28.30 | MY123 | gareim: Recommending spyware , |
| 18:28.44 | autrilla | The server is remote.. Can I use samba shares remotely? |
| 18:28.55 | gareim | MY123: sorry, didn't know es file explorer was spyware, but the concept is the same probably |
| 18:28.58 | MY123 | autrilla: No. |
| 18:29.15 | gareim | autrilla: look into plex maybe. not sure if plex runs headless tho |
| 18:29.37 | autrilla | Yep I'd like headless if possible |
| 18:30.03 | MY123 | autrilla: Try HTTP streaming (html5) |
| 18:30.22 | jmd | Can someone help me. After an "upgrade", I get errors doing "apt-get -f install" (or any other apt command). |
| 18:30.32 | gareim | if html5 doesn't work out, i think plex does run headless https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/113997-headless-server/ |
| 18:30.39 | ctmjr | plex server is headless the player is not (of course) |
| 18:30.50 | jmd | It is saying "update-udpmap: not found" |
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| 18:30.56 | autrilla | MY123, I could get the file with transmission.. Apache 2 and MX player? |
| 18:31.07 | jmd | which package is supposed to provide update-udpmap ? |
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| 18:31.38 | MY123 | autrilla: TRY WITHOUT MX PLAYER. Try with the Gallery player. |
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| 18:31.54 | MY123 | (It handles things better) |
| 18:32.02 | jmd | Alternatively, is there a way I can delete a package and everything that depends on it? |
| 18:32.20 | autrilla | Alright. I'll test with a small video |
| 18:32.48 | MY123 | jmd: It is automatically managed by the APT. |
| 18:33.07 | jmd | MY123: What do you mean? |
| 18:33.28 | tremon | ,file bin/update-udpmap |
| 18:33.29 | jmd | Obviously it isn't otherwise I wouldn't be asking. |
| 18:33.33 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:33.51 | tremon | jmd: doesn't appear to be in any debian package |
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| 18:34.10 | MY123 | jmd: Do you use --force? |
| 18:34.25 | jmd | Hmm. Any idea then why the postinst script of lots of files call it? |
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| 18:35.47 | tremon | jmd: grep udpmap /var/lib/dpkg/info/* gives me zero hits, on three diferent machines (either stable or testing) |
| 18:36.13 | jmd | I have it in texlive-pstricks-doc.postint |
| 18:36.18 | rryoumaa | when looking up a debian bug that shows up upon aptitude upgrade, is there a way in a dumb terminal to tell it to look up the bug numbers it gave, or do you have to enter it manually? |
| 18:36.25 | jmd | (wheezy) |
| 18:36.32 | tremon | was going to say that, looks like a latex thing |
| 18:37.10 | jmd | But I don't actually need texlive on this system. So my other question was how can I get rid of it? |
| 18:37.23 | jmd | Lots of things depend on it. |
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| 18:41.09 | tremon | gah. judd is useless |
| 18:41.34 | tremon | jmd: update-udpmap is in tex-common. Judd can't find it because it's architecture: all |
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| 18:45.45 | jmd | tremon: Thanks. I'll try purging tex-common and re-installing |
| 18:46.11 | jmd | tremon: How did you find that out btw? |
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| 18:54.53 | jmd | So dpkg-reconfigure tex-common tells me: "tex-common is broken or not fully installed" |
| 18:55.05 | jmd | How can I repair or fully install it? |
| 18:55.16 | jmd | I have tried purging and re-installing |
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| 18:56.01 | nkuttler | jmd: well, what's the current error? |
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| 18:56.41 | jmd | <jmd> So dpkg-reconfigure tex-common tells me: "tex-common is broken or not |
| 18:56.41 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.41 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.55 | nkuttler | jmd: please use a pastebin, and see |
| 18:56.59 | nkuttler | !tell jmd about errors |
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| 18:57.34 | jmd | nkuttler: That was the exact error |
| 18:57.38 | nkuttler | jmd: also of apt-get -f install please |
| 18:58.32 | jmd | nkuttler: yES. hallo!!! please read what I typed. I am perfectly aware of apt-get -f install. That is when I get the errors. |
| 18:58.46 | nkuttler | if you had used a pastebin i could actually read it.. |
| 18:58.52 | nkuttler | without having to scroll through my irc client.. |
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| 19:00.09 | jmd | nkuttler: Ok, If I take the trouble to pastebin the entire output, will you try to help? |
| 19:00.32 | nkuttler | jmd: that's the basic idea, yeah. command + output |
| 19:00.40 | nkuttler | !bat |
| 19:00.41 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:00.42 | nkuttler | that as well |
| 19:01.12 | jmd | I do know those things, so please don't ! me, it is rude. |
| 19:01.45 | jmd | tries to pastebin the error |
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| 19:03.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gnome's lock screen keeps freezing, not responding to clicks / key presses. This has been going on for a while and upgrades didn't solve it. Why is that? |
| 19:03.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm running Jessie. |
| 19:04.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | I've no idea how to debug it. |
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| 19:08.00 | jmcnaught | fails to see how using the factoids is rude. |
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| 19:09.58 | jmcnaught | Eduard_Munteanu: if you don't get an answer here, you should also try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the official Jessie channel |
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| 19:10.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see, thanks. |
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| 19:11.38 | jmd | nkuttler: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143489 |
| 19:11.39 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.17 | r-x-w- | seriously, why does calendarserver comes with SSL/TLS configuration commented out in a way that is so obscure <-- --> that it took me an hour or two to find out wth is going on. |
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| 19:12.34 | r-x-w- | *come even |
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| 19:13.33 | jmd | jmcnaught: Somebody wants you to know <some obvious fact that you know anyway>. |
| 19:13.40 | r-x-w- | fffu and the cruel thing is that it isn't just me that has a hard time figuring it out. If you google calendarserver TLS/SSL not listening on port 8443 you get half a dozen bug reports. |
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| 19:14.26 | jmd | Actually, somebody didn't want you to know that. He wanted to tell you that he considers you a such a fool that you need to be told it. |
| 19:15.20 | r-x-w- | I need a beer. |
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| 19:16.25 | nkuttler | jmd: have you checked /tmp/updmap.oikdCKmN and the files in /etc/texmf/updmap.d ? |
| 19:16.28 | jmcnaught | jmd: strangers on the internet do not know anyone else's knowledge level. No harm in sharing some knowledge, and if you already know it than you can just say "thanks" or ignore. Anyways your paste doesn't include the stuff that the "bat" factoid asks for, like the "apt-cache policy" output. It looks like there are a few things going on here, dependency issues, and also "updmap-sys" is failing and it mentions a /tmp file with the error output |
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| 19:16.46 | nkuttler | jmd: and yeah.. |
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| 19:17.12 | nkuttler | seems like you needed the !, and asking for relevant info is rude </> |
| 19:17.53 | jmd | nkuttler: Yes I have looked at that. |
| 19:18.23 | jmd | However like I explained, I am trying to remove TeX because I don't need it on this system. |
| 19:18.26 | jmd | How do I do that. |
| 19:18.28 | jmd | ? |
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| 19:19.23 | tecdroid | hi |
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| 19:20.32 | tecdroid | are there any known issues towards acpi and suspend mode on jessie? |
| 19:21.07 | tecdroid | first, i thought, i broke something.. but yesterday i reinstalled jessie and still can't wake up from suspend.. |
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| 19:21.14 | tecdroid | or even from sleep mode |
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| 19:23.57 | jmd | nkuttler: No ideas? |
| 19:24.16 | nkuttler | jmd: can you pastebin the tmp file? |
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| 19:24.42 | jmd | The tmp file is a red herring. |
| 19:24.55 | jmd | I want to purge the entire tex suite. |
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| 19:27.59 | jmd | nkuttler: (But I binned it anyway) |
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| 19:28.17 | jmd | http://paste.lisp.org/+32PT/1. |
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| 19:32.33 | Radon_3 | hi everyone, I am so glad that this channel exists, I am having no audio in debian and while it is loading up I see a good few lines of "amixer mixer hw:0 load error" how can Ifix that? |
| 19:32.37 | greg__ | hi. im trying to install debian on my laptop. I'd like to do net install but wifi isn't working. It works fine on ubuntu though. How do i fix it? it's Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160 |
| 19:33.57 | karlpinc | greg__: You might try the installer with non-free firmware in it.... |
| 19:34.45 | jmcnaught | greg__: Yeah you need the firmware for your wifi adapter. This chapter of the install guide tells you what to do, and also has a link to a netinst iso image that includes the firmware files: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 19:35.58 | jmcnaught | Radon_3: do you know what kind of sound card you have? the output of "lspci -nn | grep Audio" should give you a pciid that looks like "[abcd:1234]" that should help us figure it out |
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| 19:36.43 | karlpinc | !tell greg about installer firmware |
| 19:36.57 | jmd | Surely there must be an easy way to remove a package and its dependencies? |
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| 19:37.19 | Radon_3 | jmcnaught: thank you this is my soundcard man: Device Description Realtek ALC887 |
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| 19:37.29 | Radon_3 | it is onboard |
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| 19:39.40 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Radon_3 -about alsa checklist |
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| 19:41.36 | Radon_3 | ok thanks |
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| 19:49.59 | jmd | Can someone please tell me how I can remove a package and its dependencies? |
| 19:50.20 | Artemis3 | aptitude remove package? |
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| 19:52.55 | jmd | Artemis3: I thought aptitude was deprecated, but it seemed to work. Thanks. |
| 19:54.12 | komugi | huh |
| 19:54.15 | sunn | aptitude displays search results better than apt imo, but is noticable slower |
| 19:54.18 | komugi | replaced with what? |
| 19:54.21 | sunn | noticably* |
| 19:54.47 | komugi | hmm, I didn't know apt and aptitude were different |
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| 19:57.14 | greg__ | karlpinc, jmcnaught i booted firmware iso. still no network hardware detected |
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| 19:59.46 | Artemis3 | greg__, maybe the firmware live iso? |
| 19:59.56 | greg__ | ? |
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| 20:00.56 | Artemis3 | greg__, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.6.0-live+nonfree/ |
| 20:01.05 | pycoderf | hello all. for some reason on a new samba share my user cannot write froma windows machine |
| 20:01.12 | niez | hi, I have linker error during compilation of Qt/QtWebKit: '/usr/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Memory exhausted', my RAM (3.8 GB) was used in 98% and then compilation stopped, but my swap (32 GB now) was used only in 0.1 %, question: how to force ld to use swap instead of RAM or how to force ld to use RAM and swap? |
| 20:01.17 | pycoderf | share is set to writable = yes and read only = no |
| 20:01.23 | greg__ | why it matter if live or not? |
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| 20:02.13 | Artemis3 | greg__, can't you install with lan port ? |
| 20:02.35 | greg__ | i dont have one |
| 20:02.43 | Artemis3 | ouch |
| 20:02.51 | Artemis3 | what laptop? |
| 20:03.05 | greg__ | toshiba click2 |
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| 20:03.34 | greg__ | i could tether my phone if usb internet will work? |
| 20:03.52 | niez | or in general, how to force a process to use swap instead of RAM? |
| 20:04.36 | niez | or, are there any default limits for memory usage? |
| 20:05.12 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Where do I find the bot commands like finding out the version(s) of a program? |
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| 20:05.32 | Lady_Aleena | s/program?/program available?/; |
| 20:05.45 | Artemis3 | i bet there is a hidden bot help command somewhere :3 |
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| 20:06.48 | pycoderf | does anyone know if samba respects the SGID bit? it does not seem to |
| 20:08.54 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, so dpkg doesn't know the amarok versions available. |
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| 20:09.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: you can control how eager the kernel is to swap out memory using /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 20:09.38 | Artemis3 | apt-cache policy amarok ? |
| 20:09.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's not per-process though. |
| 20:09.49 | Artemis3 | ,v amarok |
| 20:09.50 | judd | Package: amarok on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.0-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2.8.0-2+b1; jessie: 2.8.0-2+b1 |
| 20:09.53 | Artemis3 | yay |
| 20:10.12 | ctmjr | you should ask judd for version numbers /msg judd version package |
| 20:10.13 | Lady_Aleena | Artemis3, that was what I was looking for, I just didn't know the usage. |
| 20:10.23 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, I've set this to 100, no results, error still exist |
| 20:10.30 | Artemis3 | oh it was judd lol |
| 20:11.19 | ctmjr | same output put if you msg the bot it helps keep the channel clean |
| 20:12.12 | Lady_Aleena | Where is a list of the bots in this channel and their usages? I now know about dpkg and judd, any others? |
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| 20:12.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: the kernel will swap out least used pages according to some statistics, so it might not help |
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| 20:12.48 | nkuttler | !tell Lady_Aleena about bots |
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| 20:13.33 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you nkuttler. |
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| 20:13.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: can you check /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory? |
| 20:14.08 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, so, swap isn't used exactly like physical RAM? |
| 20:14.38 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory gives 0 |
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| 20:15.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: try setting it to 1 or 2 |
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| 20:15.45 | Roenie | argh! this is driving me nuts.. I mount an nfs mount and it shows up in df -h and "mount", but the contents don't show up in the mountpoint directory and making a file on either machine doesn't make it show on the other machine |
| 20:16.07 | Roenie | both running wheezy |
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| 20:17.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: the kernel sets up memory mappings pointing at swap storage and will swap them into RAM as soon as they're accessed. I doubt that'll help much, and even if it works, it will be extremely slow. |
| 20:18.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: what are you compiling? |
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| 20:18.32 | niez | QtWebki in debug mode |
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| 20:19.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: try disabling parallel building if it does anything like that |
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| 20:20.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | i.e. use a single thread of compilation |
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| 20:20.46 | niez | ld crashes, it's linking, can ld use more than one thread? |
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| 20:21.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: not really, but there may be other jobs running at the same time |
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| 20:21.59 | niez | http://nopaste.info/a6135382a4.html |
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| 20:22.45 | Roenie | result of mount -v 192.168.0.11:/mnt /mnt/roesrv -o vers=3 is here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143490 |
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| 20:22.50 | chriys | hi all |
| 20:23.10 | chriys | I'm trying to add a new theme to vim but I can't find ~/.vim/colors |
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| 20:23.28 | Roenie | if you think you can help with NFS, please look at the above URL, ty |
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| 20:25.21 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, now better, but still in the end: /usr/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Memory exhausted |
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| 20:25.55 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, and memory usage drops down instantly from 3.3 GB to 395 MB |
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| 20:26.33 | Roenie | on an NFS server should netstat -plnt | grep 2049 show more than "-" for PID/Program name? |
| 20:26.34 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, but this time 600 MB swap was used |
| 20:26.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | niez: according to https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5240 it might help to use --hash-size / --reduce-memory-overhead |
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| 20:27.18 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, yeah, haskell to the rescue! |
| 20:27.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Indeed. :) |
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| 20:28.41 | NotJimCarrey | I got a new pcduino3 and noticed that if I try to use a sudo app via the menus, it fails authentification, though gksudo/sudo/su/etc work fine from a terminal |
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| 20:29.05 | NotJimCarrey | how do i configure auth for gui? |
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| 20:29.15 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, thanks, it looks very promissing |
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| 20:31.13 | queso | I'm going to upgrade from wheezy to testing. Is it recommended to use apt-get or aptitude or either? |
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| 20:36.15 | ahklerner | ok i have eth0 that is getting settings via dhcp, eth1 that is on a seperate lan that is also getting settings via dhcp |
| 20:36.26 | ahklerner | eth0 does not have internet access |
| 20:36.31 | ahklerner | eth1 does |
| 20:36.57 | ahklerner | i can ping the eth1 gateway 192.168.200.1 but not the ip address for google |
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| 20:37.23 | ahklerner | tcpdump shows the ping request is going through the eth0 adapter |
| 20:37.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | ahklerner: sure, you're getting default routes from both and one takes priority |
| 20:38.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | ahklerner: what is the intended behavior? |
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| 20:38.46 | Lady_Aleena | I am trying to list all packages installed on my system which do NOT start with 'lib'. I tried the regex I would use in perl, however '!^lib' isn't it. |
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| 20:39.11 | ahklerner | what i want is to be able to access the internet, ie the any traffic not destined for 10.0.0.0 subnet on eth0 should go through eth1 |
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| 20:39.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, you mean eth0 doesn't have an internet connection. |
| 20:39.47 | ahklerner | correct |
| 20:40.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | ahklerner: you can tell the DHCP client to ignore default routes for eth0 |
| 20:42.50 | ahklerner | Eduard_Munteanu: could you explain further what i need to do |
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| 20:43.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | ahklerner: how are your interfaces configured? NetworkManager, /etc/network/interfaces... ? |
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| 20:45.33 | ahklerner | Eduard_Munteanu: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:46.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | ahklerner: you can do something like this... http://dachary.org/?p=3032 (not sure there's a nicer way) |
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| 20:51.34 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
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| 20:52.40 | Lady_Aleena | Dear dpkg, all I want is a list of installed packages which DO NOT start with 'lib'. Why aren't you understanding '!^lib'? |
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| 20:54.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Lady_Aleena: try '\(li[^b]\|l[^i]\|[^l]\)' perhaps |
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| 20:54.38 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! |
| 20:54.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, add a caret at the start too. |
| 20:55.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | ^\(li[^b]\|l[^i]\|[^l]\) |
| 20:55.10 | supaplex | or ... | gzip -v ^lib |
| 20:55.33 | Lady_Aleena | Eduard_Munteanu, no packages found. |
| 20:55.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | I might've messed up the regex quoting. |
| 20:55.49 | tsam | s/gzip/grep/ |
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| 20:56.42 | pycoderf | anyone know why SGID is disregarded on my samba share? |
| 20:56.57 | Lady_Aleena | Nope, none of those worked. |
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| 20:57.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | Lady_Aleena: what is the entire command you typed? |
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| 20:58.26 | Lady_Aleena | I either get the whole list, even the packages starting with 'lib'; or I get 'no packages found'. |
| 20:59.09 | Lady_Aleena | I tried "dpkg -l | grep -v '^lib'" |
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| 21:00.12 | niez | /usr/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Memory exhausted |
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| 21:00.56 | niez | i'm wondering how ld checks that |
| 21:01.09 | Lady_Aleena | Then I tried "dpkg -l | grep -v '!^lib'" |
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| 21:01.23 | owner1 | Hi, i get this error when I tried to run the update: "E: Error http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main dpkg i386 1.16.13 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80]". What's going on? |
| 21:02.14 | Bluewolf | Hi how do I install themes in Wheezy, is it the same as Ubuntu by creating a .Themes file in the home folder? |
| 21:02.47 | tsam | dpkg -l | perl -ne '/^\S+\s+lib/ && print' |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching | perl -ne '/^\S+\s+lib/ && print' |
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| 21:03.22 | tsam | Or to exclude : dpkg -l | perl -ne '/^\S+\s+lib/ || print' |
| 21:04.34 | cows | Hello - I am trying to install dwb, but upon 'su' then 'apt-get install dwb' I receive a message saying that this package cannot be found. I did add to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. What might be wrong? |
| 21:04.36 | woshty | owner1: did you edit your sources.list? or did it work like that before? |
| 21:05.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | cows: did you apt-get update? |
| 21:05.57 | shingouz | Lady_Aleena: try dpkg -l | grep -v lib | grep ii | less |
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| 21:06.47 | cows | Eduard_Munteanu: Ahh - Thank-you. I belive that his must have been the problem, it is now downloading things. |
| 21:06.53 | caermin | hi i'm running an update and i get ./lib/modules/2.6...... no space left where is the ./ ?? |
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| 21:07.51 | caermin | failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb ? |
| 21:07.52 | owner1 | woshty: i don't remember. It's been a while since I booted into debian. How do I edit my sources list? |
| 21:08.09 | jelly-home | caermin: ./ is inside the .deb package. Is your / filesystem full? |
| 21:08.16 | Lady_Aleena | is on the phone with her mother, so will be back shortly. |
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| 21:09.50 | caermin | jelly-home: / has only 21MB left .. /var has 23GB |
| 21:10.21 | jelly-home | caermin: 21MB is not enough to upgrade kernel |
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| 21:10.23 | caermin | the .deb is downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archive though |
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| 21:11.41 | caermin | is it /lib and not ./lib ? |
| 21:11.41 | woshty | owner1: cat /etc/apt/sources.list should display it. Do not post it here. Use a pastebin instead and post the link. |
| 21:11.56 | jelly-home | caermin: yes, it unpacks from / |
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| 21:13.02 | caermin | okay i see - i will make room in / (i have lots of stuff there) |
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| 21:15.39 | Bluewolf | Anyone know how to install Wine and Wine tricks in Wheezy? |
| 21:15.44 | owner1 | woshty: http://paste.debian.net/117158/ |
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| 21:16.28 | greg__ | why xorg say no screens detected? |
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| 21:18.16 | woshty | owner1: looks like one here that works .. |
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| 21:19.42 | owner1 | woshty: what do you mean? |
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| 21:21.32 | woshty | owner1: I mean I do not think there is something wrong with that sources.list. What command did you run when the error occured? |
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| 21:21.48 | shingouz | Bluewolf: apt-get install wine winetricks |
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| 21:22.10 | Bluewolf | shingouz: And the same for wine? |
| 21:22.14 | caermin | jelly-home: thanks - other question - what would you recommend since flashplugin is no longer available? |
| 21:22.15 | Bluewolf | right? |
| 21:22.44 | shingouz | Bluewolf: that command installs both as you can see. man apt-get, man apt-cache |
| 21:22.50 | owner1 | i went thru the "software update" gui |
| 21:22.56 | jelly-home | caermin: what do you mean, no longer available? |
| 21:23.35 | owner1 | woshty: i am running apt-get update now to see if that helps |
| 21:23.47 | jelly-home | caermin: which debian release are you using? |
| 21:23.55 | woshty | owner1: ok |
| 21:23.57 | caermin | jelly-home: squeeze |
| 21:23.58 | greg__ | any docs on getting intel valley view card to work? |
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| 21:24.24 | jelly-home | caermin: I'd recommend upgrading to debian 7. |
| 21:24.42 | Bluewolf | shingouz: Okay I put it in but - The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
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| 21:24.45 | Bluewolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.58 | caermin | jelly-home: i can't on this machine - it doesn't have the room - i was just lucky to get the kernel update |
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| 21:25.11 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, still nothing, but what is SEGMEXEC? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/hardened/259652 |
| 21:25.16 | greg__ | ugh internets being too shit to research too |
| 21:25.38 | shingouz | Bluewolf: read the apt-get manual page. man apt-get. you need to autoremove them |
| 21:25.40 | jelly-home | caermin: do you at least have squeeze-lts enabled? |
| 21:26.05 | caermin | long term support ? yes that is what i just did for kernel |
| 21:26.40 | Bluewolf | shingouz: Thanks, I will have to try work through it :D |
| 21:26.40 | jelly-home | there are updates for stuff other than the kernel, in there |
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| 21:27.55 | jelly-home | !squeeze-lts |
| 21:27.56 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:28.08 | jlg | can someone sign my change.org petition? it's for my mother? |
| 21:28.12 | supaplex | I have a thin client (mainly as a nas/ssh/irc host) with only 1gb of flash. what can I use to clean out man pages and other kruft? |
| 21:28.32 | jlg | supaplex, rm ? |
| 21:29.40 | supaplex | but shred is so much more fun. |
| 21:29.58 | jelly-home | supaplex: emdebian? |
| 21:30.20 | owner1 | woshty: ok, looks like apt-get update did the job. Do you know why the update manager didn't do this automatically? |
| 21:30.37 | supaplex | well, maybe emdebian. it's already running debian. I'd blow away /usr/share but I'm not sure if anything is needed there. |
| 21:30.37 | jelly-home | your CF card or flash chip might not exactly _love_ shred |
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| 21:31.05 | supaplex | yeah, it's sarcasm c/o the rm suggestion (as if I didn't know about rm) |
| 21:31.28 | woshty | owner1: nope, apparently it tried to retrieve a package file in a version that was no longer available. I mainly use aptitude. But you will have to trigger updates manually there as well. |
| 21:31.35 | jelly-home | supaplex: /usr/share/doc is something policy says package have to be able to live without |
| 21:31.37 | jlg | I was only trying to help supaplex |
| 21:31.45 | jlg | first thing that came to mind. |
| 21:31.53 | jlg | next time I won't bother trying to help in here. |
| 21:32.07 | jlg | if you ask a vague question, expect a vague response. |
| 21:32.47 | supaplex | yes, my bad sorry. |
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| 21:34.25 | jelly-home | supaplex: also, localepurge |
| 21:34.34 | supaplex | I think I'll just slap the 16gb usb stick on it, and move /var and /home to it. |
| 21:34.48 | Otyugh | hey |
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| 21:35.04 | Otyugh | I can't eject a media, any clue ? "eject: incapable d'éjecter, dernière erreur: Ioctl() inappropré pour un périphérique" |
| 21:35.27 | jelly-home | Otyugh: what was the exact command you ran? |
| 21:35.42 | Otyugh | sudo eject /dev/sdb |
| 21:35.57 | Otyugh | My system is on /dev/sda |
| 21:36.18 | Otyugh | I mounted it. And then I can't look to be able to eject it :s |
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| 21:37.11 | Otyugh | ho. Maybe it's because I listed it in the fstab ? |
| 21:37.23 | Otyugh | The mountpoint does not appear typing "mount" |
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| 21:37.54 | Lady_Aleena | When using dpkg query to search packages, will the search go into package descriptions? For example, let's say I want to list all text editors installed. Would dpkg -l 'text editor' search the package description? |
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| 21:38.50 | supaplex | jelly-home: btw, can't find that. maybe I'll apt-file search for it. apt-get clean killed 55mb. /home is 20mb and / has 130m free. :p |
| 21:38.54 | Lady_Aleena | I didn't see it in the dpkg-query man. |
| 21:39.02 | jelly-home | Otyugh: and sdb is usb connected disk or stick, or optical device that can be disconnected or ejected? |
| 21:39.15 | jelly-home | ,i localepurge |
| 21:39.17 | judd | Package localepurge (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: Reclaim disk space removing unneeded localizations. Version: 0.6.3+deb7u1; Size: 44.8k; Installed: 86k |
| 21:39.22 | supaplex | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l will not. -l expects just package names. |
| 21:39.31 | Lady_Aleena | supaplex, thanks. |
| 21:39.50 | cows | I was trying to install Blink (icanblink.com) but after making to changes as per the instructions to sources.list, the package Blink cannot be found. Any ideas? |
| 21:41.02 | jelly-home | cows: forgot to aptitude update? |
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| 21:41.41 | jelly-home | !tell cows about bat |
| 21:41.43 | Otyugh | jelly: usb is connected by SATA |
| 21:41.52 | jelly-home | what |
| 21:41.58 | Otyugh | ... |
| 21:41.59 | Otyugh | sorry |
| 21:42.02 | Otyugh | sdb |
| 21:42.08 | Otyugh | sdb is connected in SATA |
| 21:42.17 | Otyugh | it's a hard drive |
| 21:42.19 | jelly-home | Otyugh: if it's a disk, eject doesn't know what to do with that |
| 21:42.38 | Otyugh | can't we ask for stop powering a HDD ? |
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| 21:42.58 | Otyugh | I tough eject was just the command doing that |
| 21:43.07 | jelly-home | Otyugh: unmount it manually, and echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/sdb/device/delete |
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| 21:43.38 | Otyugh | I said it, the mountpoint does not appear |
| 21:44.01 | cows | jelly-home: I tried aptitude update, but it still cannot be found.... |
| 21:44.25 | jelly-home | cows: does it even show up in "apt-cache policy blink" |
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| 21:45.18 | cows | jelly-home: No, it does not. |
| 21:45.47 | jelly-home | cows: well, then you either enabled wrong repo, or the repo really does not contain the desired package |
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| 21:46.10 | cows | jelly-home: Hmmm... I'll check again. |
| 21:46.33 | Lady_Aleena | Darn, dpkg-query nor aptitude search can search the descriptions of the package as far as I can tell. |
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| 22:02.44 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: aptitude does search package header lines. It might do the entire description, but I hate reading the aptitude manual. Try apt-cache. I think it searches everything. |
| 22:03.30 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, I tried apt-cache search however it doesn't limit itself to installed packages. |
| 22:03.30 | niez | Eduard_Munteanu, finally I used ld.gold linker instead of ld and it works great |
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| 22:05.41 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: karlpinc: aptitude search has "?description(foo)" (or "~dfoo"), which can of course be combined with "~i" for just installed packages. The reference i always check is here: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 22:06.17 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: aptitude search ~i~dSOMEREGEX |
| 22:06.36 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: At least that's what's supposed to work. |
| 22:07.18 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Oops. Was busy looking at: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html#searchDescription |
| 22:07.35 | urn | in the bash manual, some keyboard shortcuts are listed as (M-b), what does the M stand for? |
| 22:08.10 | karlpinc | urn: "Meta". This is usually bound to the "alt" key on most keyboards. |
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| 22:08.51 | karlpinc | urn: You can probably hit the escape key first, release and then hit the second key. (Hold down alt.) |
| 22:08.51 | urn | hmm mine alt+f just spits out unicode on mine |
| 22:09.03 | urn | s/mine/on mine |
| 22:09.10 | karlpinc | urn: lemme try it.... |
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| 22:10.01 | urn | that might be specific to my keyboard/box. All I want to do is jump back a work in bash without having to use the arrow keys |
| 22:10.05 | karlpinc | urn: works for me. But there's a way to turn it off and instead go to vi-type editing. |
| 22:10.40 | karlpinc | urn: Ah. 'set -o emacs' or 'set -o vi'. |
| 22:10.41 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc and jmcnaught, thanks for trying, however, I can't get it to work. |
| 22:11.26 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: You could try telling us exactly what you're trying to do. (But I probably will be gone.) |
| 22:11.36 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: what is the command you are trying to use? |
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| 22:12.31 | Lady_Aleena | I tried aptitude search ~i~description{'text editor'} which returned the error E: Regex compilation error: Unmatched \{ |
| 22:12.45 | urn | karlpinc: oh thanks, vi mode is exactly what I wanted! |
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| 22:13.26 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: what about "aptitude search "?installed?description(text editor)" ? |
| 22:14.42 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: What you probably really want to do is install debtags and then do "aptitude search ~Geditor~Gtext" or some such. |
| 22:15.45 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, Nope. |
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| 22:16.02 | karlpinc | (oh and ~i) |
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| 22:16.41 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: aptitude search ~dstring |
| 22:16.46 | memeka | hi |
| 22:17.00 | Lady_Aleena | I need to go do something in the kitchen which will take about 10 minutes. Also, this is not urgent, just something I wanted to try. |
| 22:17.01 | memeka | can i install an older version of a package ? |
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| 22:17.45 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: did my last command give an error message, or simply not list any packages? |
| 22:17.54 | memeka | e.g. source:qtbase-opensource-src (source, misc) version:5.3.1+dfsg-3 |
| 22:17.55 | memeka | can i install 5.2.1 ? |
| 22:17.56 | jhutchins | I see jmcnaught already provided that. |
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| 22:19.01 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I must have typed it in wrong the first time. I got a list when I pasted it. |
| 22:19.08 | memeka | anyone? |
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| 22:23.03 | nurupo | memeka: not sure about debian packages, but as a solution you can get precompiled Qt 5.2.1 for Linux from http://download.qt-project.org/archive/qt/5.2/5.2.1/ |
| 22:23.45 | memeka | nurupo: my arch is not there |
| 22:24.18 | nurupo | memeka: Qt does a portable install, i.e. it installs in a single directory with no side effects, so you can remove it by just deleting that directory |
| 22:25.12 | nurupo | also, there is not much sense in using old versions of Qt, since new versions of it are binary-compatible and include bugfixes/new features |
| 22:25.38 | memeka | nurupo: not for what i want ... some module i wanna run does not run on 5.3.x |
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| 22:26.36 | memeka | I can install it from git but still ... i wanted to skip compiling everything |
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| 22:26.45 | memeka | and just get a couple of packages :) |
| 22:26.46 | nurupo | memeka: qt-opensource-linux-x86-5.2.1 orqt-opensource-linux-x64-5.2.1 won't work for you? then just build from source, i guess |
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| 22:27.06 | memeka | nurupo: i am not on x64 or i386 |
| 22:27.18 | nurupo | just making sure :) |
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| 22:29.34 | nurupo | memeka: any reason you need exactly 5.2.1 instead of 5.3.1? |
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| 22:31.39 | memeka_ | nurupo: i guess i can use the ubuntu packages in this case. .. but wanted more like a general answer |
| 22:31.43 | memeka_ | for other packages |
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| 22:35.06 | SuperBawlz | Debian will run on an AMD Opteron right? |
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| 22:40.07 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I will have to uninstall all the kdegames one at a time. I thought "sudo apt-get purge kdegames" would get rid of all of them. I guess not. |
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| 22:45.29 | Nik05 | Lady_Aleena check with aptitude why, why they are not removed |
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| 22:46.10 | Lady_Aleena | It is probably too late for me to look at that since I just uninstalled them all individually through Apper. |
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| 22:46.22 | Nik05 | or maybe they are about to be removed, then just do aptitude install |
| 22:47.11 | Lady_Aleena | I uninstalled kdegames, rebooted my computer, and the games were still there. |
| 22:47.14 | Nik05 | sometimes its a little magic |
| 22:47.57 | Nik05 | rebooting does nothing to unindtalling or installing package (maybe some exceptions) |
| 22:47.59 | Lady_Aleena | I just hope the other packages being uninstalled weren't being used by anything other than what I am uninstalling. |
| 22:49.08 | Nik05 | what program do you use to install? |
| 22:50.27 | Lady_Aleena | I used Apper for the games, Kate and KWrite came with the KDE install when I installed Debian. (I'm going to get rid of Konqueror next.) |
| 22:51.32 | Nik05 | Apper? I havent heared about that |
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| 22:52.01 | Lady_Aleena | It came with KDE. |
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| 22:52.44 | Nik05 | oh oke |
| 22:53.14 | Nik05 | most of us here probably use apt-get |
| 22:53.20 | Lady_Aleena | I was going to uninstall Konqueror, however, I am not sure if the 193 other packages it says should be uninstalled, should be uninstalled. |
| 22:53.32 | Nik05 | probably not |
| 22:53.34 | Lady_Aleena | I'm still a lame newbie. |
| 22:53.55 | Nik05 | why do you want to uninstall it? |
| 22:53.57 | NaturalMess | can you guess what client i using? :P |
| 22:54.16 | Lady_Aleena | I don't use it, and I am tired of it being used as the web browser for some things. |
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| 22:55.35 | Lady_Aleena | I set up IceWeasel as the default browser, but some things still use Konqueror. The version of Konqueror which came with the KDE install when I installed Debian is so old, most sites don't display properly in it. |
| 22:56.27 | Lady_Aleena | Any site which uses HTML 5 becomes garbage in Konqueror. |
| 22:56.33 | Nik05 | what things start konqueror? |
| 22:56.51 | Lady_Aleena | Links in About screens with programs. |
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| 22:57.40 | Nik05 | could be alternatives |
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| 22:57.58 | Nik05 | but i dont know much about those things |
| 22:58.04 | pycoderf | my debian vm wont go fullscreen in virtualbox with the guest additions installed |
| 22:58.06 | pycoderf | any ideas? |
| 22:58.33 | chriys | when trying to install openjdk 7 I get this error E: Unable to locate package openjdk-7-jre |
| 22:58.57 | Nik05 | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 22:58.58 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-security: 7u65-2.5.1-2~deb7u1; sid: 7u65-2.5.1-4; jessie: 7u65-2.5.1-4 |
| 22:59.37 | Nik05 | chriys are you on wheezy? |
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| 22:59.49 | chriys | Nik05: nop on squeeze |
| 23:00.11 | Nik05 | it doesnt have openjdk 7 |
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| 23:00.58 | chriys | there's no way to get it ? |
| 23:02.34 | Nik05 | maybe you can backport it, or update to wheezy |
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| 23:06.24 | chriys | oh ok |
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| 23:15.24 | Paradisee | hello o/ |
| 23:15.34 | Paradisee | does it mean that im full of space? http://paste.debian.net/117163/ |
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| 23:17.06 | Paradisee | i get this kind of error when i try to modify a file with vim |
| 23:17.07 | Paradisee | "config.ini" |
| 23:17.07 | Paradisee | "config.ini" E514: write error (file system full?) |
| 23:17.07 | Paradisee | Press ENTER or type command to continue |
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| 23:20.09 | LtL | Paradisee: your drive is out of space |
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| 23:21.07 | Paradisee | LtL: how could i remove some useless packages? |
| 23:22.04 | Paradisee | ill give a look to dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:22.44 | LtL | Paradisee: i doubt you could remove enough and still have a viable system, but you can try. https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian |
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| 23:26.08 | Paradisee | ill begin from aptitude |
| 23:26.12 | Paradisee | got apt, so i dont need it |
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| 23:26.44 | Lady_Aleena | I simulated the purge of konqueror and got http://paste.debian.net/117164/. Does it look normal? |
| 23:27.33 | Paradisee | try it |
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| 23:27.39 | Paradisee | at least you can reinstall it |
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| 23:30.05 | Lady_Aleena | I'm looking at the long list of what is says I can remove, and 'sudo' is on it. |
| 23:30.45 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like if I do autoremove on that list, I am getting rid of almost every program installed. |
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| 23:35.21 | Otyugh | Lady_Aleena: well dah. Do you need theses programs anyway ? :o |
| 23:35.40 | Lady_Aleena | Otyg, I use sudo a lot. |
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| 23:36.23 | Otyugh | just do sudo "apt-get install sudo", would pass to manual, and won't get erased by your next purge. I guess. |
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| 23:36.58 | Otyugh | but yeah |
| 23:37.01 | Otyugh | it is weird |
| 23:37.21 | Otyugh | they are not related to konqueror. So maybe you erased something else ? |
| 23:37.27 | Lady_Aleena | I use gwenview and k3b occasionally. |
| 23:37.35 | Lady_Aleena | I probably did. |
| 23:37.48 | Otyugh | if you do "apt-get -s autoremove ? |
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| 23:39.03 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/117166/ |
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| 23:40.48 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: you can simply apt-mark manual all packages that you do not want auto-removed |
| 23:40.51 | Otyugh | well it is clear now :p |
| 23:41.02 | Otyugh | yup |
| 23:41.04 | Lady_Aleena | What is clear? |
| 23:41.14 | Otyugh | that it's not related to konqueror >< |
| 23:41.34 | Lady_Aleena | So, I messed something up badly. |
| 23:41.35 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: looks like you removed a kde metapackage |
| 23:41.43 | Otyugh | maybe |
| 23:41.50 | tremon | (although I can't tell you which one, I don't use them) |
| 23:42.21 | Otyugh | mhm, display "cat ~/bash_history | grep apt-get" ? The last remove you did maybe ? |
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| 23:42.33 | Otyugh | well |
| 23:42.44 | Otyugh | you could have done that using aptitude or synaptic, or such too |
| 23:42.47 | Paradisee | what's this? /var/cache/apt/archives $ |
| 23:43.06 | Lady_Aleena | cat: /home/me/bash_history: No such file or directory |
| 23:43.24 | Otyugh | Paradisee: I'm not used to apt :p |
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| 23:43.40 | tremon | add a dot. It's ~/.bash_history |
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| 23:43.52 | Otyugh | but Paradisee suggestion seem better |
| 23:44.00 | tremon | but I'd simply use history|grep... |
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| 23:44.20 | Paradisee | After this operation, 9448 kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 23:44.21 | Paradisee | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 23:44.43 | Paradisee | can i remove all of the content inside' |
| 23:44.45 | Paradisee | ? |
| 23:44.53 | tremon | Paradisee: yes, simply run apt-get clean |
| 23:45.05 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/117168/ |
| 23:45.12 | Paradisee | amazing :D |
| 23:45.18 | Paradisee | im gonna love this command :D |
| 23:45.26 | LtL | Paradisee: apt-get clean |
| 23:45.32 | LtL | oh nm |
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| 23:46.27 | Otyugh | Lady_Aleena: hueeeee. Hue. Hum. |
| 23:46.30 | Paradisee | what's the command to see how many space takes a directory? |
| 23:46.35 | Otyugh | df |
| 23:46.38 | Otyugh | oops |
| 23:46.57 | Paradisee | which options should i use |
| 23:47.02 | Lady_Aleena | Otyugh, I may have made a mistake while using Apper to remove some things. |
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| 23:47.32 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: are you running a kde desktop, or did you just want to try out some kde games? |
| 23:47.56 | LtL | Paradisee: du -h /dir |
| 23:48.06 | Paradisee | thanks |
| 23:48.30 | Otyugh | Lady_Aleena: I'm not used to kde. Nor debian. But I'd try to install kde back as bundle and hope it fixe what you deleted. "sudo apt-get install kde" ? I'm hazarding though. |
| 23:48.53 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I installed KDE when I installed Debian. I install the games later, however, since most of them crash, I wanted to get rid of the games. Now I am trying to figure out how to paste the Apper logs. |
| 23:48.57 | Paradisee | LtL: is it different from df ? |
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| 23:49.52 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: since all package tools ultimately use dpkg, it's probably easiest to examine /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 23:50.14 | LtL | Paradisee: disk usage or disk free, yes they're different depending how they are used. |
| 23:50.38 | Paradisee | ty |
| 23:50.48 | Otyugh | tremon: ho my god, this file is dirty |
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| 23:52.09 | Otyugh | ho |
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| 23:52.33 | Otyugh | I find something in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 23:52.41 | Otyugh | formated better. |
| 23:52.48 | Lady_Aleena | This is just what I did today: http://paste.debian.net/117169/ |
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| 23:53.40 | Otyugh | what does "apt-get install -s kde" ? (if it says something about package is not of that name, don't print that :o) |
| 23:53.43 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I really made a mess. |
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| 23:55.11 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/117170/ |
| 23:55.44 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: line 500, you removed task-kde-desktop |
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| 23:56.58 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, it looks like if I reinstall that, I get Kate and KWrite back and I don't want them back. |
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| 23:57.32 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: yes, that's the main problem with metapackages. If you don't want them, you'll have to apt-mark manual every package you do want to keep |
| 23:58.00 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
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| 23:59.07 | Lady_Aleena | I am now fairly disgusted with KDE, but I can't leave it because I already downloaded my email into KMail. |
| 23:59.09 | Otyugh | Haha :p |
| 23:59.38 | Otyugh | maybe the files of kmail are compatible with, I don't know, thunderbird or claws-mail ? |
| 23:59.48 | tremon | I do hope that kmail plays nice and simply stores your mail in a local maildir folder. Don't know for sure though |
| 23:59.55 | Lady_Aleena | No clue. |
