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| 00:00.30 | paxcoder | So why is there no ffmpeg package? |
| 00:01.47 | LtL | ,v ffmpeg |
| 00:01.48 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.16-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.12-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.15-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 6:0.8.15-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.3.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.3.3-dmo3 |
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| 00:02.18 | themill | paxcoder: why should there be? |
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| 00:02.53 | themill | (hint: look at libav-tools) |
| 00:03.03 | paxcoder | themill, actually, I insist the burden of proof is on you. The status quo is ffmpeg being there, since it once was. |
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| 00:03.17 | ctmjr | it was replaced by libav why i have no idea |
| 00:03.17 | themill | not true |
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| 00:03.28 | ctmjr | or is going to be |
| 00:03.35 | themill | ctmjr: it was many years ago |
| 00:03.36 | paxcoder | themill, I have, I tried to do some stuff with avconv, but I'd like to use ffmpeg instead |
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| 00:04.16 | themill | it's not any easier to do things with ffmpeg |
| 00:04.27 | paxcoder | (I pretty much failed to do with mplayer + avconv what I can do with ffmpeg alone, not that I should explain myself) |
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| 00:04.40 | paxcoder | hint: subtitles |
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| 00:04.55 | paxcoder | (again, not that I should explain myself) |
| 00:05.03 | themill | /usr/bin/ffmpeg keeps changing its command line interface anyway so what used to work with an older ffmpeg still wouldn't work with a new one |
| 00:05.30 | paxcoder | That's fine. |
| 00:05.39 | themill | So do it with avconv. |
| 00:05.44 | paxcoder | See above. |
| 00:05.49 | paxcoder | Where is ffmpeg? |
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| 00:06.12 | themill | *plonk* |
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| 00:06.28 | DanDare | paxcoder, here e.g. https://www.ffmpeg.org/download.html |
| 00:06.30 | paxcoder | That doesn't answer my question |
| 00:06.46 | paxcoder | DanDare, I was asking about the package. |
| 00:07.05 | DanDare | so, it's nowhere I guess |
| 00:07.37 | DanDare | Or the infamous deb-multimedia repo |
| 00:07.40 | paxcoder | There should be. Why isn't it there? |
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| 00:09.35 | ctmjr | wonders if paxcoder was stomping his feet while typing that last line |
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| 00:09.51 | paxcoder | Wow, quite a fanbase here. |
| 00:10.05 | paxcoder | But nobody answered my question, now did they? |
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| 00:11.12 | DanDare | paxcoder, if nobody answered it means nobody know the answer, or dont want to answer or whatever |
| 00:11.36 | paxcoder | DanDare, or - didn't want to answer. |
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| 00:11.55 | paxcoder | That's nice. |
| 00:12.00 | DanDare | paxcoder, yeah can be that also |
| 00:12.19 | paxcoder | I'll have to keep asking then. |
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| 00:13.05 | DanDare | its not nice or bad, just that this is not the hot line I guess |
| 00:13.06 | paxcoder | Though I don't believe I'm the only one who does. If anyone has any insight into the topic, please do inform me. |
| 00:13.30 | paxcoder | DanDare, are you suggesting this is OT? |
| 00:14.00 | DanDare | paxcoder, nah, im suggesting that this is not a service as you may be expecting |
| 00:14.39 | paxcoder | DanDare, I am familiar with the Debian's Freenode IRC channel. |
| 00:15.10 | DanDare | maybe someone have the answer, but just did not read your question e.g. Like I said, you cannot expect getting help any time, all the time etc |
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| 00:15.45 | paxcoder | Just another reason to keep asking: Why did Debian stop packaging ffmpeg? |
| 00:15.48 | DanDare | Well, ok so. I hope you get your answer soon |
| 00:16.02 | paxcoder | Thanks, your download link helped in the meantime. |
| 00:16.34 | paxcoder | Ungh, redirected to debian-multimedia... |
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| 00:17.41 | farmyard | Hello, is it possible to have different right and left microphone settings with alsamixer? |
| 00:18.16 | paxcoder | farmyard, #alsa might be of more use to you |
| 00:18.33 | paxcoder | I think, anyway. |
| 00:18.50 | farmyard | paxcoder: Thanks |
| 00:18.57 | Shadow_7 | it depends on if you have different left and right mics. And a soundcard that supports it |
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| 00:19.47 | Shadow_7 | for stereo mics with plugin power. Basically no. But you can edit in post if you don't need live |
| 00:19.53 | farmyard | Shadow_7: I believe that it is possible with pulseaudio... I just wanted to install another sound application just for changing the mic voumes |
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| 00:21.22 | paxcoder | farmyard, can you see differing levels in pulsaudio with both mics connected? |
| 00:22.14 | Shadow_7 | On my delta 44, there's 2 channels one for left (always channel 1) and one for right. Each with their own levels and own preamps (external) |
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| 00:23.00 | paxcoder | farmyard, Differing as in disproportional(-ate?). If not (if the only difference is power), than I wouldn't be so hopeful: I would assume it's either-or. |
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| 00:23.46 | farmyard | paxcoder: I haven't installed pulseaudio yet. I suppose I should describe the problem for which, in the past, muting one side of the mic was a solution: The sound is recorded, but it is very static-ridden. Muting one mic side with pulseaudio helped before.... |
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| 00:24.54 | paxcoder | farmyard, hmm, I'm not sure if that implies that there are two channels. |
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| 00:25.22 | farmyard | paxcoder: Okay... Likely not I suppose on an iBook? |
| 00:26.03 | paxcoder | farmyard, wouldn't know, google it perhaps? Did you try #alsa, btw? |
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| 00:31.51 | Shadow_7 | plugin powers signature trait is high noise. That's why there's still a market for high(er) end gear |
| 00:33.43 | Shadow_7 | Balanced cables (TRS / XLR) send two signals, one is the inverse so the difference can be negated as line noise. |
| 00:34.03 | Shadow_7 | Which is needed to negate things like cell phone handshakes |
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| 00:42.03 | niez | hi, can i install a package with apt-get as ordinary user, in my home directory? (when i install some apps from sources i can append --prefix option to configura, can i do that with apt-get?) |
| 00:43.28 | Shadow_7 | you can apt-get source <package> and compile it in your home and execute it from your home |
| 00:43.45 | Shadow_7 | to install it you need root permissions for the locations of the files that are installed |
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| 00:44.13 | niez | so apt-get doesn't support any kind of prefix? |
| 00:46.00 | Shadow_7 | idk... but the default --prefix is --prefix=/usr which is a location that needs root priviledges |
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| 01:18.12 | beid7712 | http://vividsx.com/digitalplayground-bangbros-realitykings-brazzers-naughtyamerica-mofos-pornpros-babes-21sextury-nubilefilms-private-passionhdpornfidelity-teenfidelity-evilangel-elegantange/ |
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| 01:27.27 | logan0405 | hey i was on earlier, installed linux-firmware-nonfree to make my gfx card work but it didnt see to do anything |
| 01:27.31 | logan0405 | opengl not working it seems |
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| 01:30.08 | logan0405 | strange cause ive had it working on this computer before.. |
| 01:30.16 | logan0405 | with same debian version and stuff |
| 01:30.47 | ctmjr | logan0405: what card is it |
| 01:30.53 | logan0405 | glxinfo gives me BadRequest |
| 01:30.57 | logan0405 | radeon hd 4700 |
| 01:31.26 | logan0405 | 5700** |
| 01:31.26 | logan0405 | oh |
| 01:31.30 | logan0405 | i see what my problem is.. |
| 01:31.34 | logan0405 | i think brb |
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| 01:33.46 | logan0405 | oopsie |
| 01:33.52 | logan0405 | i downloaded wrong version of AMD driver |
| 01:33.58 | logan0405 | 13.1 instead of 14.4 i think |
| 01:34.01 | logan0405 | this should fixit |
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| 01:43.50 | RMCampos | can someone help? |
| 01:44.49 | farmyard | Hello - I'm having some troubles with mic sound quality, lots of static. I'm running wheezy on an iBook. I tried testing with arecord and, well I can hear okay, but the staic is rather underirable. |
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| 03:40.56 | shay_shay | i want to install a .dsc which isnt in the debian archives, is there a quick way to install the deps for it? |
| 03:41.49 | shay_shay | i installed devscripts to get mk-build-deps |
| 03:42.03 | shay_shay | but this transaction is taking forever |
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| 03:52.55 | shay_shay | still going :/ |
| 03:53.09 | shay_shay | how the fuck does it take that long |
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| 03:53.21 | shay_shay | this is like a windows update |
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| 04:20.10 | nmschulte | Which tools should I use to create an ethernet bridge in Debian? brctl (bridge-utils), or the `bridge` command? |
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| 04:22.23 | nkuttler | nmschulte: i set up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:22.28 | nkuttler | man 5 bridge-utils-interfaces i think |
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| 04:26.12 | gellioth | What's the difference of using stable instead of wheezy in repositories? |
| 04:30.24 | nmschulte | nkuttler: thanks; I think the bridge command serves a different purpose than the bridge-utils package; I think I _have_ to use brctl to create bridges. |
| 04:30.42 | tomivs | How to send files through USB bluetooth device? |
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| 04:31.01 | miki | ~nerk |
| 04:31.01 | apt | nerk! |
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| 04:33.55 | peterrooney | gellioth: when jessie releases, you may be looking at a convoluted apt run. |
| 04:35.10 | nkuttler | gellioth: using stable is a bad idea |
| 04:35.40 | gellioth | is better use wheezy instead? |
| 04:35.48 | nkuttler | gellioth: yes |
| 04:35.57 | nkuttler | assuming... you're running wheezy |
| 04:36.01 | gellioth | yes |
| 04:36.41 | phy1729 | Is kfreebsd debian suitable for production? |
| 04:36.57 | gellioth | ok, thanks |
| 04:37.28 | phy1729 | I mostly ask because I want to avoid systemd |
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| 04:39.27 | nkuttler | phy1729: well, debian doesn't depend on systemd *yet* |
| 04:39.35 | nkuttler | not even in testing/unstable |
| 04:40.52 | tomivs | My computer is not sending files through USB bluetooth |
| 04:40.55 | tomivs | why? |
| 04:41.32 | gellioth | And what would be better when yessi gets stable, update or install from scratch? |
| 04:41.56 | tomivs | I has used gnome bluetooth utility and blueman |
| 04:42.59 | phy1729 | nkuttler: but jessie will |
| 04:44.32 | woshty | phy1729: Yes, and it will take two interations until they learn and split it up |
| 04:44.56 | gellioth | I must remember "jessie" "jessie" not "yessi" |
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| 04:45.51 | phy1729 | woshty: so stay on old stable until 9 rolls around and hopeully doesn't depend on systemd is your plan? |
| 04:47.12 | woshty | phy1729: Yep, or plan b) stop earning money and switch to gentoo |
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| 04:48.02 | DanDare | So if I install debian testing today it's shipped with systemd as default? |
| 04:48.04 | woshty | phy1729: I still do not get how they made that decision, esp. how it got set up to be: switch to upstart or systemd |
| 04:48.30 | phy1729 | yeah same here but then again I'm not a DD so I try and just deal with it |
| 04:48.39 | dalias | systemd is the latest in a string of disasters :( |
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| 04:49.35 | woshty | phy1729: same here, but it is still annoying - missing docs and missing dev concept are most annoying to me |
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| 04:50.41 | dalias | hopefully everyone will wake up to what a disaster it is _before_ too many things depend on systemd |
| 04:51.09 | woshty | dalias: too late for that, unless some distribution finally kicks out gnome |
| 04:51.17 | DanDare | "I also like controlling the startup of the system with shell scripts that are readable" Im on the same boat. Heck, so Linux will just become unfriendly, that's? |
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| 04:52.03 | woshty | DanDare: You can still do that with systemd |
| 04:52.05 | Guibas | '-' |
| 04:52.12 | DanDare | is afraid |
| 04:52.26 | themill | I'd recommend trying it rather than reading the bullshit on the blogs |
| 04:52.44 | DanDare | themill, yeah, this is the best advice |
| 04:52.53 | dalias | trying won't show you the problems right away |
| 04:53.05 | DanDare | So If I install testing today it's shipped with systemd as default? |
| 04:53.14 | dalias | systemd is like a car on a GM dealer's lot ;-) |
| 04:53.23 | dalias | it looks all nice and shiny when you take it for a test drive |
| 04:53.28 | themill | DanDare: I don't think there's a clear answer to that. |
| 04:53.37 | dalias | only later do you realize how broken the internals are :) |
| 04:53.41 | DanDare | ok |
| 04:53.43 | themill | DanDare: file bugs. |
| 04:53.48 | DanDare | How can I be prepared ? |
| 04:54.24 | themill | DanDare: prepared for what? |
| 04:54.29 | peterrooney | themill: the arguments i've seen on debian-devel are telling - however ready for prime time systemd might be, debian's process of switching to it has been half-assed. |
| 04:54.41 | DanDare | themill, for this sysmtemd change |
| 04:54.52 | DanDare | lets say Wheezy hits it's EOF. |
| 04:55.13 | DanDare | trying to understand a whole new thing in a hurry sounds like desperate |
| 04:55.17 | themill | I don't think there's very much to be prepared for. "/msg dpkg systemd" will give you some good grounding |
| 04:55.26 | DanDare | thank you |
| 04:55.35 | themill | peterrooney: it's a work in progress and that is to be expected |
| 04:55.45 | DanDare | damn *EOL |
| 04:55.57 | themill | throws a ^D or two at DanDare |
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| 04:56.45 | woshty | themill: And the development has to take place in stable? ;) |
| 04:56.56 | themill | woshty: how do you figure that? |
| 04:56.58 | DanDare | *.o |
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| 04:59.11 | themill | DanDare: actually, looking at the dependencies of the init package, a fresh install of jessie would certainly end up with systemd as the init system. (this is a transition that is still in progress, so iirc when I last looked at this a couple of weeks ago, it wasn't switched over yet) |
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| 05:00.14 | woshty | themill: I figure that it will not be done, and of course not fully documented, when jessie is released. |
| 05:00.25 | DanDare | themill, nice, thanks |
| 05:00.36 | DanDare | I will try it for sure |
| 05:00.44 | DanDare | "Systemd is a young project" |
| 05:01.01 | DanDare | I hope they dont put a pubescent commanding linux :p |
| 05:01.12 | themill | woshty: well it looks pretty close to done now and there's already good documentation for systemd in debian and excellent documentation for systemd in general |
| 05:02.56 | woshty | themill: compared to other stuff, that might well be (thinking of alsa, grub2 etc) .. I just had some strange issue so far, but that went away after rebooting. |
| 05:03.34 | themill | I think it would be unreasonable to hope that init system change didn't require a reboot |
| 05:04.30 | woshty | themill: nah, it was with some fcgi-stuff respawning in a loop for no apparent reason |
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| 05:09.47 | woshty | themill: I think most of the critisism is bogus. Binary logfiles for example. But with a bit more time, a modular setup, ppl would be less in awe. |
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| 05:11.03 | themill | Indeed. The default setup is to have both text and binary log files. And journalctl is so much better than grepping through logs. |
| 05:12.14 | woshty | themill: there is lots of stuff that has had binary logs for age, and nobody complained. |
| 05:12.28 | themill | indeed |
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| 05:13.39 | woshty | +s |
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| 05:22.24 | basanta | is there any debian image for XO-4 ? |
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| 05:26.22 | woshty | Is there a filesystem that handles resizing up and down better than ext4? |
| 05:26.32 | fattratt | Hello. I think I reported about this time yesterday that I was having trouble booting. Someone suggested booting with 'nomodeset' on the kernel command line. This allows me to boot, but I only get low res graphics now. I think I'm suffering from bug #754108. I guess a lot of people are. Perhaps I need a non-nvidia graphics card, or else wait for this bug to be fixed. Anyway, thanks for your help. |
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| 05:28.46 | woshty | fattratt: And you do want to use 3.14? |
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| 05:32.29 | fattratt | woshty: That would be an option if I could go back to using an old kernel. Is there an apt command to allow me to do that? |
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| 05:34.03 | woshty | fattratt: I did not read your post yesterday. You are running stable, with bpo and the closed source nvidia-driver? |
| 05:35.11 | fattratt | I was running stable with the default nvidia driver. I don't know what bpo is. |
| 05:35.44 | woshty | fattratt: You could use aptitude to install any kernel version that is available |
| 05:36.02 | woshty | fattratt: Then, most likely, 754108 does not apply to you. |
| 05:36.40 | XardaS | hi! i have nvidia device witch kernel error display driver stopped end recovering exist fix in this erro |
| 05:37.31 | fattratt | OK. I guess I need to read the aptitude manual. |
| 05:38.11 | woshty | fattratt: 754108 is specific to two kernels that were distributed as backports from the testing branch of debian - and do not work with the nvidia-drivers (closed source) in the stable branch. |
| 05:38.30 | woshty | fattratt: It is pretty easy. It has text-graphics |
| 05:38.53 | themill | fattratt: what's the actual output of "uname -r" on that box? |
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| 05:39.48 | fattratt | themill: pjb@bigbox:/m/sda11$ uname -r |
| 05:39.49 | fattratt | 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 05:40.21 | woshty | themill: good idea |
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| 05:46.12 | woshty | fattratt: That is the kernel from stable. What happened before you used nomodeset? |
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| 07:03.25 | woshty | Is there a way to use the phc voltage stuff with current kernels? |
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| 07:05.09 | fattratt | oh, woshty, before I used nomodeset, the boot process got as far as 'waiting for dev to be populated' and then hanged. |
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| 07:05.46 | woshty | fattratt: did it really hang or just switch of the screen? |
| 07:05.52 | fattratt | Things might have been happening after that, but the screen was blank. |
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| 07:06.09 | fattratt | Yes, the screen just went dark. |
| 07:06.25 | woshty | fattratt: ah, k. Newer notebook? |
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| 07:07.22 | fattratt | Desktop that I've had a year or two. I replaced the motherboard about 18 months ago after the old one got struck by lightning. |
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| 07:08.50 | woshty | fattratt: And it worked with the same graphicscard before you changed the motherboard? |
| 07:09.24 | fattratt | The graphicscard is built into the mobo. |
| 07:09.45 | fattratt | I can't remember what I had before. |
| 07:10.07 | woshty | fattratt: An nvidia? What board is that? |
| 07:10.24 | fattratt | It's an Asrock |
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| 07:11.38 | fattratt | I'll have to open the case again to find the precise part number. |
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| 07:12.35 | fattratt | The main processor is AMD and everything else is Nvidia. |
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| 07:13.12 | woshty | fattratt: Ah, I was about to ask for that. It might be some hybrid graphics stuff. I am not sure. Do you have a shell on that machine now? |
| 07:13.33 | fattratt | yes |
| 07:13.35 | rryoumaa | how do i find out from the command line what kind of memory sticks i have and what to replace them with? or do i have to open the computer? |
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| 07:14.04 | fattratt | rryoumaa: lspci perhaps. |
| 07:14.07 | themill | !what's my ram |
| 07:14.08 | dpkg | [myram] install and run «dmidecode -t memory» as root to see RAM information. For more detailed information, install the i2c-tools package, modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms. Try «lshal | grep smbios» to obtain mainboard and BIOS information. |
| 07:14.46 | woshty | fattratt: then take a look at lspci | grep VGA please |
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| 07:15.31 | fattratt | pjb@bigbox:~$ lspci | grep VGA |
| 07:15.31 | fattratt | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) |
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| 07:17.04 | rryoumaa | themill, fattratt: thanks. i tried dmidecode -t. what information from that do i need to fully specify getting more memory? |
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| 07:17.41 | rryoumaa | it says "Maximum Capacity: 8 GB Number Of Devices: 4" so it means i am using 4 slots? |
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| 07:18.52 | andry | maximum |
| 07:18.54 | andry | not using |
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| 07:20.18 | rryoumaa | it appears i am using http://www.amazon.com/HYMP512U64CP8-S6-1GB-2Rx8-PC2-6400U/dp/B00513HSD8, which is 1gb each, so either this means i have more slots than 4 and the others are empty or i will have to find a higher-capacity stick and replace the old memory i guess |
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| 07:21.52 | andry | you can try something dirty like this :D sudo dmidecode -t 17 | grep " MB" | wc -l |
| 07:21.56 | andry | to count the used banks |
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| 07:23.43 | rryoumaa | 4, so i guess i have to blow away the existing memory |
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| 07:25.01 | andry | so you seem to have 4/4 banks in use |
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| 07:28.15 | rryoumaa | is there a good way to profile my memory usage so i can know whether it is worth it to get 2x2gb to make it 6? |
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| 07:28.50 | jolt | Never heard anyone complaining about having to much memory |
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| 07:30.48 | andry | i wouldnt. if it feels very slow: upgrade |
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| 07:31.51 | andry | i used to have 8gb, swtiched to another computer with 4 .. really, i dont feel any difference .. though i work a lot (!) with my computer .. having 893241 windows open and stuff |
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| 07:34.51 | rryoumaa | it's a question of whether to get a new computer sooner or throw $60 at this one (core 2 quad) |
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| 07:35.40 | logan0405 | hey guys, i accidentally just apt-get remove'd libusb1.0.0 from my system, which uninstalled a lot of stuff i want |
| 07:35.55 | logan0405 | and its trying to get me to apt-get autoremove all of it |
| 07:35.59 | logan0405 | like default packages |
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| 07:36.31 | logan0405 | and now i cant reinstall it because it says ive held broken packages |
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| 07:37.06 | logan0405 | i might just reinstall debian |
| 07:37.11 | logan0405 | but itd be easier to find a solution not to |
| 07:37.19 | andry | hm .. --install-suggests? |
| 07:37.49 | logan0405 | what command |
| 07:37.58 | logan0405 | apt-get install --install-suggests? |
| 07:38.17 | andry | yes .. but cant you just "apt-get install" the packes it wants to autoremove? |
| 07:38.26 | andry | that way they will be marked as installed again |
| 07:38.33 | andry | packages |
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| 07:38.42 | logan0405 | hm |
| 07:38.44 | logan0405 | yeah |
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| 07:39.00 | logan0405 | im trying to get libusb back on my system |
| 07:39.37 | r4co0n | if it's just libusb1.0.0 that breaks the other packages, apt-get -f install libusb1.0.0 should work. man-page for apt-get -f says: If packages are specified, these have to completely correct the problem. |
| 07:39.38 | logan0405 | unmet dependencies: libusb-1.0-0-dbg : Depends: libusb-1.0-0 |
| 07:40.08 | r4co0n | -f is --fix-broken |
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| 07:40.51 | logan0405 | hm |
| 07:40.53 | logan0405 | cant |
| 07:41.07 | logan0405 | i try to install libusb, but it cant b/c it needs libusb dbg |
| 07:41.12 | logan0405 | which depends on libusb ?!?!? |
| 07:41.14 | logan0405 | hahah |
| 07:41.16 | logan0405 | isnt that a paradox |
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| 07:41.44 | r4co0n | apt-get -f install libusb-1.0.0 libusb-1.0-0-dbg |
| 07:41.47 | r4co0n | maybe? |
| 07:41.52 | themill | You need to be quite careful about the package names you're using here. You keep flipping between ones that are correct and ones that are not |
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| 07:42.32 | logan0405 | whatcha mean themill |
| 07:42.46 | r4co0n | themill, right, sry, manually copying and bad at it. apt-get -f install libusb-1.0-0 libusb-1.0-0-dbg |
| 07:42.58 | themill | r4co0n: it's not just you |
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| 07:43.23 | logan0405 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:43.23 | logan0405 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.30 | logan0405 | oh |
| 07:43.48 | themill | you'd need to also install the debug package from backports |
| 07:43.57 | logan0405 | ive got backports |
| 07:44.06 | logan0405 | in my sources.list |
| 07:44.12 | themill | and you'd need to also install the debug package from backports |
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| 07:45.11 | smartass | hi, I have a non-debian-specific question about a failing disk in RAID1, can I ask anyway? |
| 07:46.04 | thomaschaaf | smartass: don't ask to ask people will simply not reply if they don't know :) |
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| 07:46.22 | thomaschaaf | so ask away :) |
| 07:46.28 | smartass | thx ;) |
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| 07:46.58 | fattratt | Maybe I'll get one of these: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/amdradeongraphicscards/amdhd5450series/r5450-md1gd3hlp.html |
| 07:47.05 | fattratt | cheapish, non-nvidia |
| 07:47.06 | smartass | ok, so I have a RAID1 array with two 2TB disks ... on one of them smartd started sending errors and some sectors seem to be dead |
| 07:48.13 | smartass | replacement might take a while (academia), so I'm wondering whether removing it and running with a degraded array for a month or so is a good idea |
| 07:48.58 | smartass | I think it should work fine, just no redundancy, but I want ot make sure I have the right idea |
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| 07:50.27 | smartass | or should I keep it in the array for redundancy of at least some errors? |
| 07:50.40 | smartass | or will that put the healthy errors at risk? |
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| 07:51.21 | smartass | the damaged disk just give an IO error, and I'm not sure how the raid sync reacts to that |
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| 07:51.54 | logan0405 | so i think my problem is that i have > 1.0.0 libusb version |
| 07:52.04 | logan0405 | can i revert to 1.0.0 somehow? |
| 07:52.32 | logan0405 | it seems i have the backports version |
| 07:52.35 | ChrisH | smartass: I would detach a failing disk to get a clear situation. A failing disk is worse a failed one. |
| 07:52.42 | logan0405 | 1.0.19-1 bpo |
| 07:53.12 | smartass | logan0405: try selecting the older on in aptitute and see if aptitude suggests a viable solutions ... but it may not ;) |
| 07:53.34 | themill | logan0405: you need to be precise about details. You can't just make up package names and version numbers like that. And yes, you can just install libusb-1.0-0-dbg from backports |
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| 07:53.47 | logan0405 | haha |
| 07:53.49 | logan0405 | thats what it says |
| 07:53.53 | smartass | ChrisH: right .... so the degraded array will continue to work, just without redundancy, right? |
| 07:54.00 | logan0405 | 1.0.19-1 bpo version |
| 07:54.05 | logan0405 | i assume bpo = backports |
| 07:54.07 | themill | it does not. |
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| 07:54.11 | logan0405 | oh |
| 07:54.17 | themill | It might say "2:1.0.19-1~bpo70+1". |
| 07:54.21 | logan0405 | yeah |
| 07:54.27 | logan0405 | thats exactly what it says |
| 07:54.48 | themill | so not "1.0.19-1 bpo" at all. The details are important. |
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| 07:55.06 | ChrisH | smartass: That is the expected way. I run some degraded Raid 1 Systems, simply becuase I only have one Disk for a desktop system and added a mirror to be more flexible in future :) |
| 07:55.23 | logan0405 | sorry, i couldnt copy it off gdebi package installer and couldnt see what character was between bpo and 1 |
| 07:55.54 | themill | logan0405: why are you using gdebi? You should be using apt. |
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| 07:56.14 | smartass | ChrisH: ok :) ... so once I fail it and remove it, I can try writing with hdparm to teh sectors to force a reallocation and if it works, adding it back to the array should recync the fixed errors, right? |
| 07:56.16 | logan0405 | yeah. i was just seeing if download the package and installing like that would make a difference for some reason |
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| 07:57.25 | logan0405 | Depends: libusb-1.0-0 (= 2:1.0.19-1~bpo70+1) <-- thats my current version right? |
| 07:57.36 | ChrisH | smartass: might work. or just dd some /dev/zero's onto the disk. I _read_ the mirror disk using dd once a month to force the disk to have a look into each sector once a while |
| 07:57.42 | logan0405 | or is it what it depends on |
| 07:57.55 | themill | logan0405: There's no need to try to reimplement apt yourself. Just install libusb-1.0-0-dbg from wheezy-backports too: aptitude install -t wheezy-backports libusb-1.0-0-dbg |
| 07:58.34 | smartass | ChrisH: ok, thx :) |
| 07:58.54 | r4co0n | logan, that's the version the package you posted this snippet from depends on |
| 07:59.17 | logan0405 | oooh, tyvm themill, appears to be working |
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| 08:06.01 | logan0405 | how can i get a list of all packages apt currently wants to autoremove? |
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| 08:08.24 | r4co0n | logan, apt-get --simulate autoremove |
| 08:09.15 | r4co0n | too late |
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| 08:13.11 | lars_ | Hey, I have to questions if anyone have time. |
| 08:13.30 | lars_ | How do I make so that conky autostart? I cant find exactly where im supposed t ocopy the file |
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| 08:14.18 | lars_ | And also, when I use chromium I have to click twice if I want to remove it from full screen, instead of just being able to drag it down to make it go into "transformed" mode |
| 08:14.25 | lars_ | Im using debian + openbox |
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| 08:16.11 | cynicallemon | lars_: you can start conky by either adding "conky &" to your .xinitrc file or adding it to the autostart file |
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| 08:17.14 | cynicallemon | lars_: conky config file resides in /etc/conky by defualt |
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| 08:17.29 | lars_ | cynicallemon, where is the autostart file located? |
| 08:17.34 | lars_ | I cant find it in /home |
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| 08:18.20 | lars_ | /etc/apt/? |
| 08:18.35 | lars_ | Or something |
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| 08:19.23 | cynicallemon | lars_: ~/.config/openbox/autostart |
| 08:19.50 | lars_ | cynicallemon, I dont have a openbox there |
| 08:19.53 | lars_ | Do I just create it |
| 08:20.05 | cynicallemon | yeah just create one |
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| 08:20.29 | lars_ | so ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh |
| 08:20.31 | lars_ | Right? |
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| 08:20.47 | cynicallemon | no .sh at the end |
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| 08:21.33 | lars_ | I managed to set the feh wallpaper |
| 08:21.42 | lars_ | But now I cant remember where exactly i put it |
| 08:21.43 | lars_ | Fuck |
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| 08:21.57 | lars_ | What locations can you do autostart stuff exactly? |
| 08:22.00 | lars_ | I mix them all up |
| 08:22.14 | cynicallemon | lars_: you can use a gui app called nitrogen for setting backgrounds |
| 08:22.26 | lars_ | Yeah I tried it but it didnt save my stuff |
| 08:22.39 | lars_ | Maybe i didnt use sudo |
| 08:22.54 | bogus- | why should you use sudo? |
| 08:22.56 | lars_ | Goddamn it, i think i set it somewhere in /etc |
| 08:23.05 | lars_ | Well, it didnt save my wallpaper when i logged out |
| 08:23.31 | bogus- | I don't think you need to configure a wallpaper as root for your user |
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| 08:24.31 | lars_ | /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart.sh |
| 08:24.34 | lars_ | Thats the place |
| 08:24.49 | cynicallemon | lars_: with nitrogen you have to save the chosen backgound by adding a "nitrogen --restore & |
| 08:25.02 | lars_ | cynicallemon, ah |
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| 08:25.15 | lars_ | brb |
| 08:25.17 | bogus- | I don't think /etc is the right place for userstuff |
| 08:25.25 | lars_ | Hmm |
| 08:25.26 | cynicallemon | lars_: yeah /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart.sh is the system wide file |
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| 08:25.53 | lars_ | What do I write? conky & ? |
| 08:26.42 | bogus- | where are you writing? |
| 08:26.49 | lars_ | /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart.sh |
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| 08:26.58 | bogus- | don't please |
| 08:27.17 | lars_ | I got the wallpaper there atleast |
| 08:27.22 | babilen | It would be exactly the wrong place for user specific settings |
| 08:27.25 | bogus- | also don't |
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| 08:28.00 | Waheedi | when i write httpd -V i get the following apr and apr-util versions Server loaded: APR 1.4.8, APR-UTIL 1.5.2 Compiled using: APR 1.4.6, APR-UTIL 1.3.12 |
| 08:28.06 | Waheedi | how can i change both apr and apr-util versions to 1.4.6 and 1.4.1 for util. I have tried to install apr and apr util version 1.4.6 and 1.4.1 from source and then compiled apache with apr and apr--util directories but when I check back again on the version they were the above versions |
| 08:28.46 | lars_ | bogus-, Ok, I removed it |
| 08:28.53 | lars_ | installing nitrogen again |
| 08:29.20 | bogus- | <lars_> so ~/.config/openbox/autostart should work for the things you want |
| 08:29.23 | bogus- | so wallpaper and conky |
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| 08:29.47 | bogus- | with ~ standing for homedir |
| 08:29.52 | lars_ | I tried the nitrogen --restore $ shit now, Ill see if it work |
| 08:30.17 | lars_ | I just cp the conkyrc there? |
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| 08:30.51 | bogus- | nope |
| 08:31.00 | bogus- | just conky & |
| 08:31.08 | lars_ | autostarth without .sh? |
| 08:31.13 | lars_ | so |
| 08:31.21 | lars_ | sudo gedit ~/.config/openbox/autostart |
| 08:31.25 | lars_ | add conk & |
| 08:31.28 | lars_ | add conky & |
| 08:31.31 | bogus- | no why sudo? |
| 08:31.41 | cynicallemon | you dont need it |
| 08:31.48 | bogus- | you don't have to use root access for usersettings |
| 08:31.50 | cynicallemon | not in your home dir |
| 08:32.02 | lars_ | Could not connect to sesssion bus |
| 08:32.26 | cynicallemon | lol bloody gnome again |
| 08:32.48 | lars_ | ok, now i added it |
| 08:32.54 | lars_ | should i login and log out? |
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| 08:33.18 | lars_ | brb |
| 08:33.26 | bogus- | ofcourse it throws that error :P |
| 08:33.33 | bogus- | opening gui programs with sudo -_- |
| 08:33.47 | cynicallemon | he should use leafpad |
| 08:33.53 | cynicallemon | no issues |
| 08:33.56 | cynicallemon | oe nano |
| 08:34.04 | bogus- | indeed |
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| 08:35.00 | lars_ | It didnt work |
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| 08:35.34 | lars_ | But the wallpaper is there |
| 08:35.38 | lars_ | God damnit |
| 08:35.45 | bogus- | where is your conky config? |
| 08:35.49 | lars_ | I use lightdm |
| 08:36.00 | lars_ | and it has as defualt "default xsesssion" |
| 08:36.05 | lars_ | I also picked openbox |
| 08:36.08 | lars_ | But none of them work |
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| 08:36.29 | lars_ | its in home |
| 08:36.33 | cynicallemon | with openbox i never used a login manager |
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| 08:36.44 | lars_ | cynicallemon, Should i remove it? |
| 08:36.52 | lars_ | If it fucks everything up |
| 08:37.06 | lars_ | Im content with just writing startx but I like a bit of art |
| 08:37.25 | cynicallemon | then keep it :) |
| 08:37.49 | lars_ | But anyway, what to do with conky |
| 08:38.14 | cynicallemon | do you have a conky config file to ude? |
| 08:38.18 | lars_ | Yes |
| 08:38.20 | cynicallemon | *use |
| 08:38.31 | lars_ | The default one |
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| 08:39.33 | cynicallemon | okay, so just open a terminal window and type "conky", press enter and the default conky should appear |
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| 08:39.40 | lars_ | yep |
| 08:40.01 | logan0405 | so apparently uninstalling libusb breaks gnome and starts w/ non graphical login...lol |
| 08:40.08 | logan0405 | good thing i just installed today & backed up |
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| 08:41.07 | cynicallemon | lars_: if that works and it should, then add "conky &" to the autostart file |
| 08:42.04 | cynicallemon | logan0405: damn gnome :) |
| 08:42.07 | logan0405 | hehehe |
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| 08:42.22 | logan0405 | back to crunchbang: my first love |
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| 08:42.28 | logan0405 | havent used in a while |
| 08:42.48 | cynicallemon | logan0405: yep !# is pretty cool |
| 08:42.53 | logan0405 | yess |
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| 08:42.59 | logan0405 | one of the easier ones with default config i just love |
| 08:43.03 | lars_ | Nice! |
| 08:43.04 | lars_ | It worked |
| 08:43.06 | logan0405 | and very simple |
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| 08:43.16 | cynicallemon | lars_: great! |
| 08:43.21 | bogus- | :) |
| 08:43.24 | logan0405 | and i break my system a lot so...its good to have good defaults :p |
| 08:43.25 | lars_ | Thank |
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| 08:43.26 | bogus- | what did you do differently? |
| 08:43.27 | lars_ | Thanks |
| 08:43.41 | lars_ | cynicallemon, You dont have any idea about the window resizing issue do you? |
| 08:44.00 | lars_ | Maybe its just how openbox is |
| 08:44.02 | cynicallemon | lars_: what window resizing issue? |
| 08:44.10 | lars_ | If I go into fullscreen |
| 08:44.20 | lars_ | I have to click two times to get it back into "transformable" window |
| 08:44.27 | lars_ | Id rather just being able to drag it |
| 08:44.33 | lars_ | And it turning into a draggable window |
| 08:44.36 | lars_ | If you understand |
| 08:45.27 | cynicallemon | lars_: was that for chrome? |
| 08:45.42 | bogus- | I think its default behaviour? |
| 08:45.45 | bogus- | dunno nevner used openbox |
| 08:46.11 | bogus- | quick google learned me alt + rightclick anywahere in the window = resize, alt + leftclick = move |
| 08:46.28 | cynicallemon | lars_: i cannot remember any resizing issues |
| 08:46.29 | lars_ | cynicallemon, Actually its for eveyr window |
| 08:46.47 | bogus- | aaaah |
| 08:47.00 | bogus- | I think you mean it's the windows xp style of resizing? :P |
| 08:47.04 | lars_ | Yeah |
| 08:47.10 | bogus- | (swearing in #debian church) |
| 08:47.12 | lars_ | But I think its in ubuntu and stuff too? |
| 08:47.41 | lars_ | Its not that irritating, im just used to being able to drag a fullscreen window |
| 08:47.59 | bogus- | I guess it's intended behaviour |
| 08:48.54 | lars_ | Cool, well then im stuck with it I guess |
| 08:48.58 | cynicallemon | ah yes, thats how it is |
| 08:49.06 | bogus- | no |
| 08:49.17 | bogus- | the beauty of openbox is the configurability |
| 08:49.28 | bogus- | http://icculus.org/pipermail/openbox/2010-March/006555.html |
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| 08:50.18 | lars_ | Cool |
| 08:50.31 | TJ- | Is there a way to force apt to ignore Conflicts|Replaces in order to keep 2 packages installed simultaneously? |
| 08:50.47 | lars_ | Thats with alt though, but its ok, im probably gonna get used to this |
| 08:50.48 | cynicallemon | lars_: you can probably learn a lot by hanging out in the crunchbang forums too |
| 08:51.09 | lars_ | Is archlinux that similar? |
| 08:51.12 | lars_ | To debian |
| 08:51.24 | lars_ | Or wait |
| 08:51.26 | gcbirzan | not at all |
| 08:51.26 | lars_ | Its based on debian |
| 08:51.28 | cynicallemon | its all linux... |
| 08:51.51 | cynicallemon | crunchbang is debian with openbox |
| 08:51.56 | lars_ | Ah |
| 08:52.27 | cynicallemon | arch has a openbox derivative called archbang |
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| 08:54.56 | lars_ | cynicallemon, Thanks for the tips |
| 08:55.05 | woshty | How do I download the source to a specific package? In my current case the sources for the bpo 3.14-2 kernel? |
| 08:55.08 | cynicallemon | lars_: youre welcome |
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| 08:55.57 | smartass | woshty: apt-get source <package-name>=<version> |
| 08:56.03 | babilen | woshty: "debcheckout $PKG" (devscripts) or "apt-get source $PKG" |
| 08:56.05 | cynicallemon | lars_: i must get openbox going again here, its good fun |
| 08:56.19 | lars_ | cynicallemon, Yeah, openbox and xfce4 is my favorite |
| 08:56.20 | babilen | woshty: You would need suitable deb-src lines in your sources.list for the latter to work. |
| 08:56.29 | cynicallemon | lars_: same |
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| 08:56.48 | lars_ | I was using Xubuntu before but I wanted to make my own customizated linux because xubuntu seems to get more and more buggy |
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| 08:56.57 | lars_ | So I figured Id go debian because its stable and stuff |
| 08:57.00 | cynicallemon | lars_: my rule is keep it simple and both of those fit that well |
| 08:57.04 | lars_ | And then openbox, ive used it before so I know a bit |
| 08:57.12 | cynicallemon | lars_: debian rocks |
| 08:57.13 | babilen | This is drifting off into off-topic territory now, so why not continue in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 08:57.20 | lars_ | I used arch linux + openbox before but arch is way to tedious |
| 08:57.29 | lars_ | Yeah debian is probably my favorite of all the ones ive tried |
| 08:57.42 | lars_ | Ive tried ubuntu, xubuntu (used for a long time), debian |
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| 08:58.08 | lars_ | But I like debian the most because its easy, stable, no-hassle and it doesnt have all the spyware/money-making hit that ubuntu has |
| 08:58.17 | cynicallemon | lars_: yep, debian will serve you well |
| 08:58.20 | babilen | lars_: Sorry, I should have maybe been a bit more explicit about the fact that I am addressing you. Please excuse this lapse in judgement. ;) |
| 08:58.58 | lars_ | Alright |
| 08:59.00 | halt2 | Hi all, I have an issue with an ACL rule, I try to force all the subfolder and file owner and permission, but it does not seams to apply, can someone have a look what did i missed ? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/4fd7bf1b |
| 08:59.06 | lars_ | Thanks for the help though |
| 08:59.23 | cynicallemon | babilen: he keen, dont deter him too much :) |
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| 09:01.09 | babilen | cynicallemon: There is a perfectly fine and welcoming #debian-offtopic channel for chatting. I have no idea why inviting somebody over there to continue a discussion that is clearly no longer a strict support issue should be misconstrued as "deterrence". Just "/join #debian-offtopic" and there'll be coffee, tea and biscuits to accompany a nice chat. |
| 09:01.59 | cynicallemon | babilen: you better be right about the coffee and biscuits :) |
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| 09:05.03 | sasattack_chrome | who is the head mod here |
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| 09:07.40 | babilen | sasattack_chrome: What can we do for you? |
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| 09:09.27 | sasattack_chrome | nothing. thanks |
| 09:09.33 | halt2 | does anyone use ACL at all ? or there is a better way to do it I just do not know about it yet ? |
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| 09:27.18 | woshty | smartass, babilen: thx |
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| 09:30.13 | waqstar | are file system errors created by bad underlying hardware or is it purely software related. I've had to do a few fsck checks recently and want to know if the disks are going or is there another reason for this? |
| 09:31.05 | smartass | waqstar: can be both ... use smartmontools to get and idea of HW disk health |
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| 09:31.52 | smartass | waqstar: a common FS cause of errors on the SW level is powering off with a mounted FS |
| 09:32.07 | smartass | mounted read-write that is |
| 09:32.10 | waqstar | cheers smartass |
| 09:32.22 | waqstar | feels weird saying "smartass" |
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| 09:33.42 | mf|rdp | That would normally be an insult, but in this case its a compliment. |
| 09:33.48 | teclo- | hi how can I quickly install a light desktop environment ? Something like "aptitude install xfce-desktop" ? |
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| 09:34.43 | mf|rdp | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 09:34.46 | halt2 | if really noone use here ACL, then maybe anyone could recommend to me an other channel or a manual ? I just read few and all say to me that the output I paste before (http://paste.debian.net/plainh/4fd7bf1b) should not happened |
| 09:34.47 | cynicallemon | teclo-: like sudo apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 09:35.06 | teclo- | cynicallemon: thank you |
| 09:35.07 | smartass | teclo-: or look at the dependencies of the task-desktop package |
| 09:35.26 | MY123 | Hi. |
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| 09:36.08 | cynicallemon | teclo-: also take a look at the wiki page mf|rdp pointed out |
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| 09:37.08 | MY123 | I wonder how Gnome3 would work with a touchscreen. |
| 09:37.08 | woshty | halt2: Have you taken a look at the ACLs of that file and that dir? |
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| 09:38.37 | halt2 | permissions are correct but the ownership not, or it's not the ACL it's the groupsudo which should take care of that ? |
| 09:38.45 | halt2 | woshty: ^ |
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| 09:40.40 | teclo- | the wiki page about xfce is indeed very interesting, thank you guys |
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| 09:40.56 | halt2 | I mean suid and sgid |
| 09:40.59 | cynicallemon | teclo-: no worries |
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| 09:41.42 | cynicallemon | teclo-: my preference for a login manager for xfce is light-dm |
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| 09:47.31 | halt2 | woshty: I setup the sgid and that's cool now, the permissions and the owner group also correct, but the owner regarless of the suid still not |
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| 09:50.38 | Otyugh | hey |
| 09:50.47 | Otyugh | how to install parted on squeezy ? |
| 09:51.06 | shay_shay | squeezy? |
| 09:51.42 | Abhijit | Otyg, sudo apt-get install gparted ? |
| 09:51.54 | Otyugh | gparted warns me "I need parted" |
| 09:52.03 | mf|rdp | sudo apt-get install parted |
| 09:52.08 | mf|rdp | sudo apt-get install gparted |
| 09:52.33 | Otyugh | Don't work. Gparted is already installed, and parted is not there |
| 09:53.19 | Otyugh | well no. Parted is already installed. Well. Maybe not the good version. :s |
| 09:53.48 | Otyugh | ho |
| 09:53.50 | Otyugh | mea culpa |
| 09:53.53 | Otyugh | it's gpart |
| 09:53.56 | Otyugh | not gparted |
| 09:54.01 | SynrGy | !enter |
| 09:54.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:54.03 | Otyugh | I'm looking for gpart ! |
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| 09:54.33 | SynrGy | !squeezy |
| 09:54.34 | dpkg | Debian 7 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The previous <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
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| 09:55.09 | jolt | Otyugh: aptitude install gpart? |
| 09:55.54 | Otyugh | jolt: well tried. Not any better :s |
| 09:56.25 | jolt | Otyugh: As in, didn't it work? |
| 09:56.42 | Otyugh | Pas de version candidate trouvée pour gpart |
| 09:57.51 | jolt | Otyugh: Have you done aptitude update. what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 09:58.35 | Otyugh | there is only "main" checked. On purpose. How to know if parted is part of contrib/non-free ? |
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| 09:59.29 | jolt | Otyugh: I have no idea. You can always search here to see if it's available: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gpart |
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| 10:10.12 | cynicallemon | Otyugh: parted should be in main |
| 10:10.26 | SynrGy | gpart is not parted |
| 10:10.30 | SynrGy | ,v gpart |
| 10:10.32 | judd | Package: gpart on i386 -- sid: 0.1h-11+b1; jessie: 0.1h-11+b1; squeeze: 0.1h-11+b1; wheezy: 0.1h-11+b1 |
| 10:11.00 | Otyugh | "no version of th packet gpart is available, but it exist" |
| 10:11.12 | Otyugh | (I try to translate ><) |
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| 10:11.23 | SynrGy | !localised errors |
| 10:11.24 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 10:11.36 | jolt | Otyugh: Sounds like your source file is bork, or that the source doesnt contain the package |
| 10:11.39 | SynrGy | Otyugh: also, sounds like your sources.list is messed up |
| 10:11.53 | SynrGy | provide a copy of it at paste.debian.net |
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| 10:13.50 | Otyugh | http://paste.debian.net/117616/ |
| 10:14.14 | Otyugh | i'm not even using squeeze... Fail >.> |
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| 10:14.36 | SynrGy | Otyugh: why? are you supposed to be? |
| 10:14.58 | SynrGy | Otyugh: and did you 'apt-get update' after changing your sources.list? and did it succeed without errors? |
| 10:15.19 | SynrGy | wheezy is current stable. it is the best release to be on at this time. |
| 10:15.33 | cynicallemon | comment that last line out |
| 10:16.14 | SynrGy | there's nothing wrong with the last line |
| 10:16.24 | Otyugh | apt update seem to display only fine lines |
| 10:16.28 | cynicallemon | sid main? |
| 10:16.34 | SynrGy | cynicallemon: deb-src? |
| 10:16.39 | SynrGy | read closely :) |
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| 10:17.02 | SynrGy | cynicallemon: also, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:17.02 | Otyugh | theses are for more recent software, I build it from the source of sid... x) |
| 10:17.23 | cynicallemon | ok |
| 10:17.30 | SynrGy | which, as i said, is perfectly ok |
| 10:17.59 | SynrGy | Otyugh: if you've done an apt-get update, show us the output of 'apt-cache policy gpart' at paste.debian.net please |
| 10:18.01 | cynicallemon | i thought it may have been a typo |
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| 10:18.43 | Otyugh | http://paste.debian.net/117618/ |
| 10:18.56 | Otyugh | aucun means "none" |
| 10:19.00 | SynrGy | Otyugh: if apt-get update only displays five (?) lines, is this sources.list even the one for the same system you're trying to work on? |
| 10:19.17 | SynrGy | Otyugh: you did not read and apply the localised errors factoid advice above |
| 10:19.25 | SynrGy | scroll back a page or so |
| 10:19.53 | SynrGy | ahhh. arm! |
| 10:20.04 | SynrGy | geez, it would've been nice to know this to start |
| 10:20.31 | Otyugh | so no gpart on arm devices ? |
| 10:20.33 | SynrGy | please, if you have an unusual system architecture when you come to the general #debian channels for help, let us know |
| 10:20.47 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 10:20.57 | Otyugh | Well, it's the first time it would be a problem. |
| 10:21.07 | SynrGy | look closely. you were pointed at the packages.d.o page earlier: |
| 10:21.17 | SynrGy | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gpart |
| 10:21.19 | cynicallemon | why cant i use apt-get update on my abacus ... |
| 10:21.36 | SynrGy | the architectures are listed for each version for each release |
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| 10:23.30 | SynrGy | Otyugh: is yours armhf? |
| 10:23.46 | SynrGy | i assume so ... |
| 10:23.51 | cynicallemon | is it a pi? |
| 10:23.57 | Otyugh | armel armhf -> as far as I know m architecture is arm7 or something. The processor is called "a20" |
| 10:23.58 | SynrGy | v gpart --arch=armhf |
| 10:24.07 | SynrGy | bah |
| 10:24.09 | SynrGy | ,v gpart --arch=armhf |
| 10:24.10 | judd | No package named 'gpart' was found in armhf. |
| 10:24.27 | SynrGy | Otyugh: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 10:24.42 | Otyugh | armhf |
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| 10:24.46 | SynrGy | Otyugh: bingo |
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| 10:24.55 | cynicallemon | full house |
| 10:24.56 | Otyugh | let's compile it, then |
| 10:24.57 | themill | (but it is available for armel... odd) |
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| 10:25.36 | themill | %gpart: i386 hurd-i386 ia64 alpha arm armel mipsel amd64 # little endian specific |
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| 10:26.34 | SynrGy | it looks unmaintained ... |
| 10:26.49 | SynrGy | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gpart |
| 10:27.28 | SynrGy | Otyugh: so yeah, if you could provide some help there for that package. maybe it would work fine on your architecture |
| 10:27.39 | SynrGy | s/./,/ |
| 10:31.33 | SynrGy | themill: so, little-endian arches that existed at the time squeeze released? |
| 10:32.02 | abrotman | gives SynrGy the big end of the stick |
| 10:32.16 | Otyugh | SynrG: while I do not know how to provide help for a package, it compile and runs just fine there :O |
| 10:32.22 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort says armhf was first supported in wheezy |
| 10:32.28 | SynrGy | the package has not been updated since squeeze |
| 10:32.43 | themill | SynrGy: yeah |
| 10:33.10 | SynrGy | Otyugh: file a bug on it with patch to debian/control to add armhf and a changelog (use dch) |
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| 10:34.04 | SynrGy | but given that it's unmaintained, it may require help from a dev to get the patch actually applied and uploaded |
| 10:34.33 | themill | it's in P-a-s not d/control |
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| 10:34.38 | SynrGy | er, oh |
| 10:34.40 | SynrGy | sorry |
| 10:34.44 | Otyugh | well. Or it's not very important. I should have just tried to download the source and do the rest :o |
| 10:34.53 | SynrGy | :) |
| 10:35.15 | SynrGy | Otyugh: it may be important to some other armhf user not as skilled as you |
| 10:35.33 | SynrGy | Otyugh: we've invested the time to help. give back by at least filing the bug |
| 10:35.39 | Otyugh | :p |
| 10:35.49 | SynrGy | !reportbug |
| 10:35.49 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 10:36.23 | Otyugh | theses were sarcastic but I get it >.> |
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| 10:54.16 | woshty | Can I use dpkg-buildpackage to build a kernel package? Does that always do a clean before building? |
| 10:56.11 | themill | you probably don't want to compile 14 different variants of the kernel |
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| 11:05.11 | woshty | themill: Ah, you are right, I don't :) So the way is still make-kpkg? |
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| 11:05.34 | SynrGy | no. the way is in the kernel handbook |
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| 11:08.43 | SynrGy | wb, dpkg |
| 11:08.48 | SynrGy | !kernel-handbook |
| 11:08.49 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 11:09.09 | SynrGy | woshty: like so |
| 11:10.28 | woshty | Yeah, thanks .. google helped me after you pointed me to kernel handbook .. there really should be a "just this thing I am running" target, not something like binary-arch_i386_none_686-pae |
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| 11:11.15 | woshty | Would that be binary-arch_amd64_none_amd64 for just plain amd64? |
| 11:11.25 | SynrGy | yes |
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| 11:14.19 | SynrGy | woshty: not that the make-kpkg method wouldn't work. it's just that the kernel-handbook way is more like what the kernel devs themselves use. so if you hit issues, you could actually ask them |
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| 11:15.10 | woshty | SynrGy: Ah, that would have been my next question :) Is there a list of all flavours and featuresets per kernel somewhere? |
| 11:16.19 | Nectur | i would love some help with setting up su properly if anyone is willing |
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| 11:17.07 | Nectur | i keep geeting im not in sudoers file eror |
| 11:17.24 | Nectur | getting... excuse me |
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| 11:22.33 | SynrGy | Nectur: probably the easiest way is to simply add yourself to the sudo group. |
| 11:22.45 | SynrGy | !sudo |
| 11:22.45 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 11:22.52 | SynrGy | or that |
| 11:23.01 | Nectur | how would i do that? |
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| 11:24.27 | Nectur | there is the root all line in visudo |
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| 11:25.51 | SynrGy | Nectur: did you logout and login after configuring it? |
| 11:26.00 | SynrGy | permissions are established at login time |
| 11:26.22 | Nectur | many times |
| 11:26.40 | Nectur | i m logged in as root now |
| 11:26.57 | SynrGy | let's see what you have in sudoers at paste.debian.net then |
| 11:28.40 | Nectur | moment im not running irc from sam system as the one im configuring |
| 11:28.54 | Nectur | its a fresh install though |
| 11:29.06 | SynrGy | !nopaste |
| 11:29.06 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 11:34.20 | SynrGy | gotta head out to work. Nectur, it should be easy to get help from someone else |
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| 11:38.11 | Nectur | oh ok |
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| 11:41.36 | ompaul | Nectur: I don't use sudo, but if I did I'd be configuring the sudoers file with visudo as per the links above https://wiki.debian.org/sudo that solves the problem |
| 11:41.37 | Ecco | Hi |
| 11:42.04 | Ecco | What is the minimal subset of Debian packages that is needed to be able to get a prompt after kernel initialization if I pass "init=/bin/sh" ? |
| 11:42.06 | Nectur | im trying to do so |
| 11:42.16 | Ecco | I'm trying to build a root filesystem that would be as small as possible |
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| 11:42.32 | Nectur | atleast i think i am |
| 11:42.33 | Ecco | (just to learn) |
| 11:43.00 | Nectur | visudo wont execute |
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| 11:43.21 | Nectur | so i opened it in terminal |
| 11:43.25 | ompaul | Nectur: you are root? |
| 11:43.30 | Nectur | yes |
| 11:43.42 | Nectur | currently |
| 11:44.12 | ompaul | type which visudo please |
| 11:44.44 | ompaul | Nectur: do you get anything by return? |
| 11:44.51 | teclo- | ok xfce4 seems great but... is there a web browser in the xfce4 package ? What web browser should I install ? |
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| 11:45.18 | ompaul | teclo-: tias (try it and see) install whatever you like the most common one iceweasel |
| 11:45.24 | Nectur | yes iceweasrl teclo |
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| 11:45.44 | teclo- | ok I'm gonna go with iceawease |
| 11:45.45 | teclo- | lswe |
| 11:45.47 | teclo- | iwecsecle |
| 11:45.51 | teclo- | uhhh you know |
| 11:45.51 | ompaul | Nectur: did you type which visudo |
| 11:45.53 | Nectur | xfce uses iceweasel |
| 11:46.17 | Nectur | not there are more than one visudo? |
| 11:46.35 | Nectur | usr/sbin/visudo |
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| 11:47.12 | dmi3on | hey all, i have problem setting on debian 7 ssh key based authorization |
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| 11:47.34 | abrotman | define problem |
| 11:47.45 | dmi3on | ups, one second i think i know what problem :) |
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| 11:48.42 | Nectur | ompaul what you mean by getting something from return? |
| 11:49.06 | Nectur | you mean an error? |
| 11:49.41 | Nectur | no i dont get an error trying to execute visudo |
| 11:49.55 | dmi3on | ok, so problem is ssh user@IP, return premission denied |
| 11:50.33 | dmi3on | when i use ssh user@ip -i mykey then it works and asking me for passphrase |
| 11:50.40 | ompaul | Nectur: are you missing a leading / |
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| 11:51.00 | Nectur | im not sure |
| 11:51.02 | dmi3on | abrotman: do you knwo why this happening to me ? |
| 11:51.04 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:51.11 | ompaul | Nectur: which is it |
| 11:51.23 | abrotman | dmi3on: try adding a -vvv |
| 11:51.35 | Stummi | dmi3on, do you have the identity file configured for your host? |
| 11:51.41 | Stummi | in ~/.ssh/config |
| 11:51.42 | abrotman | dmi3on: and check the logs on the server |
| 11:51.46 | dmi3on | abrotman: i tryed like 10 times redoing 4 steps to make sure its setup as in guides |
| 11:51.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dmi3on about ssh keys |
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| 11:52.04 | Slagwag | trying to use my proxy server when installing debian but having an issue. the installer prompts for credentials which is AD integrated. I would think that my UPN in windows would be the correct details to enter so I am doing: http://"first.last@company.net":Password1@proxyserver.com:80 that is the correct format right |
| 11:52.17 | Slagwag | since I have an e-mail address as a user I inserted it into quotes |
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| 11:52.49 | ompaul | Slagwag: the correct format depends on your local firewall configuration |
| 11:52.59 | Slagwag | well that is exactly it |
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| 11:53.11 | Slagwag | just not sure if i missed something with the syntax for the linux server |
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| 11:53.15 | abrotman | tried quoting the whole string? |
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| 11:53.43 | Slagwag | been trying a few different quoting formats but i figured the main part is the username |
| 11:53.48 | Slagwag | even tried Domain\user in quotes |
| 11:53.53 | Slagwag | both should work per the firewall configuration |
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| 11:54.43 | Nectur | ompaul when i try to execute usr/sbin/visudo nothing happen |
| 11:55.13 | ompaul | Nectur: it is /usr/sbin/visudo |
| 11:55.22 | ompaul | Nectur: that / is there for you also |
| 11:55.41 | Nectur | yes |
| 11:55.50 | Slagwag | ill try the full version o debian instaead the the net installer |
| 11:56.02 | Slagwag | i tried this same format with CentOS without a problem with the proxy for the yum updates |
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| 11:57.53 | dmi3on | abrotman: thank identity was a problem |
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| 11:59.22 | ompaul | Nectur: so when you run that program you see a template file |
| 12:00.02 | Nectur | yes |
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| 12:00.59 | ompaul | Nectur: so edit it as you need |
| 12:01.35 | Nectur | it has root all=(all: all) all |
| 12:01.45 | ompaul | add your user |
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| 12:02.22 | ompaul | Nectur: do as you need in there |
| 12:02.37 | Nectur | doesnt all mean all users? |
| 12:02.47 | ompaul | Nectur: comment your changes so you know what it is you are doing also I hoped you really read that page and add your user to the admin group |
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| 12:03.12 | ompaul | no read the page please |
| 12:03.29 | ompaul | Nectur: you have to understand what you do when you do it or you won't be able to back track if you make a mistake |
| 12:04.05 | Nectur | i understand |
| 12:04.15 | Nectur | thanks ompaul |
| 12:04.40 | ompaul | root obviously needs all root privs but you are not in there as root |
| 12:04.52 | ompaul | right I need to split for a bit |
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| 12:22.32 | Nectur | this is odd |
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| 12:23.19 | Nectur | i edited visudo but now when i log in as me the taskbars are gone |
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| 12:23.56 | Nectur | i can do sudo now though |
| 12:24.20 | sandman13 | o.O |
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| 12:33.47 | cx405 | So, I have installed Compiz somewhere in the past and its working perfectly. Its also pinned, all packages. Now, whenever I try to upgrade the system, apt tries to remove compiz stuff. I read somewhere that Debian decided to ditch compiz altogether for unknown reason, but my question is how can I pin it for apt reliably. I do not want compiz purged for any reason. |
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| 12:34.11 | cx405 | Its debian testing, x64 |
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| 12:37.46 | SirLagz | does the preseed file need a password hash generate by `echo password | md5sum` or one made with mkpasswd ? |
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| 12:39.06 | petn-randall | cx405: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:40.28 | jelly | ,v compiz |
| 12:40.29 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4 |
| 12:40.34 | jelly | wow |
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| 12:40.51 | jelly | cx405: that's a really old piece of software |
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| 12:42.49 | cx405 | jelly: thats perfectly working software that can control windows over multiple workspaces at keypresses very easily. |
| 12:43.12 | cx405 | any idea how to pin it would be awesome |
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| 12:43.20 | raccoon_ | so can any tiled window manager :) like "awesome" |
| 12:43.23 | raccoon_ | evades |
| 12:43.30 | jelly | cx405: you'll probably have to rebuild it yourself with libraries from jessie if you want to keep using it |
| 12:43.49 | cx405 | raccoon, seen it, its awful for my usecase |
| 12:43.53 | raccoon_ | aww |
| 12:44.04 | cx405 | raccoon_ : sorry |
| 12:44.48 | jelly | cx405: it looks rather dead in the water upstream, 2011 the latest release http://releases.compiz.org/0.8.8/ |
| 12:44.49 | cx405 | jelly: thanks, thats what I probably have to do. Do you know why apt insists on purging it? Not like I have wayland or similar installed, only xorg and systemd. |
| 12:45.04 | cx405 | jelly: maybe, but it works perfectly. |
| 12:45.15 | jelly | cx405: probably because it's keeping older versions of other software installed |
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| 12:45.49 | cx405 | jelly: any idea how I can track which ones? I am not very apt with apt.. |
| 12:46.36 | cx405 | Compiz 0.8.4-5.1 installed and pinned |
| 12:47.16 | jelly | let's do this in #debian-next |
| 12:47.27 | jelly | (over on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:48.04 | cx405 | jelly, oky |
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| 13:05.56 | Nectur | anyone have any idea why taskbars disappwar from editing visudo? |
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| 13:13.28 | damo22 | why doesnt debian livecd come with mdadm? |
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| 13:17.23 | tralala | damo22, because there are only so many things that can fit on a CD and mdadm didn't make it. |
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| 13:20.34 | damo22 | i would have thought being able to mount media was a core functionality that should make it on a recovery tool |
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| 13:23.56 | tralala | I don't think the live CD is a recovery tool. The installer CD is however and it does have mdadm. |
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| 13:24.44 | damo22 | ok |
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| 13:44.07 | zoidberg- | Hello all, I am planning out a network redesign nothing special (just home lan). I want to 1) tunnel all LAN traffic out over a VPN tunnel and 2) host a vpn server in order for myself or other people to conect into the network when away from the home (access files, etc). I have tried to do this on the same router/gateway, e.g. raspberry pi running linux, hosting a server and client of openvpn, and using ip routing, iptables, etc.. however i think due t |
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| 13:51.02 | sylar | one user lost his printers |
| 13:51.25 | smartass | could anyone suggest an alternative to environment-modules package? somethign that would be more integrated into the packaging system ideally |
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| 13:51.47 | sylar | other users' programs show a lot of printers, but that user show only generic printer |
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| 13:52.50 | sylar | open office show generic, iceweasel show only print to file |
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| 13:56.35 | BlueEagle | zoidberg-: Your text cut at 'howerver i think due t' |
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| 13:57.21 | BlueEagle | sylar: Is the user in the printer group? |
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| 13:58.22 | sylar | BlueEagle, no, but the others also aren't in "printer" group |
| 13:58.58 | sylar | ps. it is an old debian |
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| 13:59.27 | sylar | maybe lenny |
| 13:59.30 | BlueEagle | sylar: Well, printers aren't my strongest suite. How are the printers shared? |
| 13:59.40 | sylar | printserver |
| 13:59.43 | BlueEagle | ... |
| 13:59.54 | sylar | I forgot what its name is |
| 14:00.20 | BlueEagle | Is it a cups print server, or a windows prints server accessed through samba? |
| 14:01.02 | sylar | cups |
| 14:01.28 | sylar | there was a web page for adiminstration of it |
| 14:01.53 | sylar | http://localhost:631/ |
| 14:01.54 | sylar | yes |
| 14:01.58 | sylar | that is it |
| 14:02.01 | BlueEagle | sylar: And have you checked the Cups client on the users' computer? |
| 14:02.20 | ChrisH | sylar: does lpstat -t show all printers? Is that specific to _one_ user or _one_ host? |
| 14:02.25 | sylar | how to check it? |
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| 14:02.48 | BlueEagle | sylar: I think ChrisH knows more about this stuff than I do. :) |
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| 14:03.30 | ChrisH | sylar: logon as root (or any other user) and check lpstat -t output. I saw some applikcations like OPenoffice/iceweasel caching printer information. restarting the apps fixed that |
| 14:03.30 | sylar | ChrisH, no, it say scheduler is not running and permission denied, do I need to run it as admin? |
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| 14:04.10 | sylar | root also don't get anything from lpstat -t |
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| 14:04.35 | sylar | cups webpage show all the printers |
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| 14:05.23 | sylar | a lot of pending jobs |
| 14:05.24 | ChrisH | sylar: You have at least 3 hosts. cupsserver, workingclient and non-working client. Is that true? |
| 14:05.47 | sylar | ChrisH, no.. it is all on the same PC |
| 14:05.54 | sylar | and same os |
| 14:06.39 | ChrisH | sylar: and you have several users on that host? And one of then cannot print? |
| 14:06.51 | sylar | correct |
| 14:07.26 | sylar | I am not sure if anyone can print, but one of them don't get the printers on the print menu |
| 14:08.00 | ChrisH | sylar: please confirm as root: lpstat -t shows scheduler not running? Whats the output of /etc/init.d/cups status |
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| 14:08.42 | sylar | Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is running. |
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| 14:09.08 | sylar | I see that are recent completed jobs, so some users can print |
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| 14:11.40 | sylar | gedit only have print to file |
| 14:11.53 | ChrisH | sylar: in lpstat -t you see completetd jobs? |
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| 14:13.27 | sylar | http://pastebin.ca/2835716 |
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| 14:13.47 | karlpinc | Why can't I "xeyes --display 127.0.0.1:0" even after "xhost +"? |
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| 14:15.15 | jolt | karlpinc: ssh -X host, xeyes, is probaby better |
| 14:15.37 | jolt | Oh, the same display? I think you should use xauth for that |
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| 14:16.05 | karlpinc | jolt: I'm really trying to do ssh -R and forward X. I've got to go through a gateway and do it twice. |
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| 14:16.27 | karlpinc | So, I'm trying to get it to work locally. |
| 14:17.03 | jolt | ah, sounds like a mess. Can you ssh first, then ssh over that with X11 forwarding? |
| 14:17.19 | karlpinc | jolt: That sounds clever. Good idea. |
| 14:17.39 | jolt | bcause x-stuff is a mess, so I let ssh handle it |
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| 14:18.03 | karlpinc | jolt: Good plan. Let me try. |
| 14:18.04 | ChrisH | sylar: I would first restart cups and check if lpstat -r shows scheduler is running then |
| 14:18.50 | sylar | ok |
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| 14:19.08 | sylar | it isn't running after the restart |
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| 14:20.04 | ChrisH | sylar: ps -ef | grep cups shows at least a cupsd ? |
| 14:20.41 | sylar | it shows: /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 14:21.53 | NaturalMess | how do i extract .tar.xz? |
| 14:22.17 | ChrisH | sylar: did you do any upgrades or similar ? |
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| 14:22.37 | holymoly | hi friends |
| 14:22.45 | sylar | NaturalMess, I don't know about the xz... look in the man page, or find the unzip program for it, unzip it, and then tar xvf the tar file |
| 14:23.02 | sylar | ChrisH, no, but I am running an old system |
| 14:23.09 | sylar | ChrisH, I think it is lenny |
| 14:23.15 | NaturalMess | sylar: thanks |
| 14:23.22 | ChrisH | NaturalMess: xzcat bla.tar.xz | tar tvf - ; replease t with x later |
| 14:24.00 | somiaj | NaturalMess: modern tar should detect the zip format automatically so don't need a special flag. tar -xvf foo.tar.xz should work, if not you may be missing the libary that supports that format. |
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| 14:24.53 | somiaj | sylar: lenny eh? Sure you know how many security holes lenny has. (: |
| 14:24.59 | petn-randall | s/replease/replace/, I'm assuming autocorrection did it's evil works here ;) |
| 14:25.06 | ChrisH | sylar: lenny is out of support, just to mention it. check cd /var/log/cups and ls -rtl and check the newest files |
| 14:25.10 | sylar | somiaj, I am sure that I don't know |
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| 14:26.01 | somiaj | sylar: the kernel and probabbly ssl and various other packages have known security holes since lenny hasn't been supported for a few years now. Just making sure you are aware of that. Any reason you need to be running lenny? |
| 14:26.07 | karlpinc | jolt: Usually what I do is ssh, forwarding the ports, and then ssh and forward the ports again. But there's some auth issue on the local box. ssh -Y won't work, apparently since the gateway has no X. |
| 14:26.25 | somiaj | sylar: anyways I digress from your actual problem, I was just making sure you understood the risks of running lenny on an internet exposed server/computer. |
| 14:26.37 | sylar | I have kernel 3.2 |
| 14:26.42 | Ecco | I built a rootfilesystem with debootstrap. When I boot it, my kernel hangs at "VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2". Do you have any idea of what I'm doing wrong? |
| 14:27.15 | jolt | karlpinc: -X is what you want, security and no xhost |
| 14:28.15 | somiaj | sylar: so your problem is cups isn't starting on boot, but if you run /etc/init.d/cups start after you boot it starts just fine? |
| 14:28.36 | karlpinc | jolt: Well... I usually have another X server at the remote end, so I need to frob the ports. |
| 14:29.03 | sylar | somiaj, no. My problem is that one user's programs (eg gedit) don't show any of the available printers |
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| 14:29.45 | karlpinc | jolt: I suspect my problem is that xhost has been somehow hardened and it just won't work unless I do other auth stuff. (It works from a Mac.) |
| 14:29.47 | somiaj | sylar: but cups is running and other programs can see the printers just fine (say other gnome programs)? |
| 14:29.51 | factor | Whatis the name of the krb5 server in debian repos. |
| 14:30.13 | sylar | somiaj, other users' programs can see it fine. One user's programs can't |
| 14:30.23 | factor | also is it in the non free section, as i have the 3 dvd mounted. |
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| 14:30.31 | jolt | karlpinc: I think you can do funky stuff with xauth and MIT-cookies, but that is outside my knowledge |
| 14:30.35 | somiaj | sylar: did you add that user to the lp group? |
| 14:30.56 | karlpinc | jolt: I'm afraid I'll have to go there. |
| 14:30.59 | sylar | somiaj, no user is at that group |
| 14:31.27 | ChrisH | somiaj: lp group is not needed to print. none of my users belongs to that group and all can print. |
| 14:31.39 | ChrisH | sylar: have you checked the logs? |
| 14:31.47 | somiaj | ChrisH: ahh, wasn't sure there. |
| 14:31.53 | sylar | ChrisH, yes, but I didn't see anything |
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| 14:33.05 | ChrisH | sylar: just to be sure. /etc/init.d/cups stop ; check using ps -ef | grep cups and ps -ef | grep lp to make sure all processes are gone. and then start up again. |
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| 14:33.27 | sylar | oh.. but i looked at the old logs because they are shown first with the -rtl, now i will look at the recent logs |
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| 14:34.03 | sylar | ChrisH, the ps -ef give the time of the program start, no? If yes, it is recent |
| 14:34.56 | sylar | maybe I will try to restart the gnome session? |
| 14:35.35 | somiaj | sylar: can you identify anything permission wise that is different from this user than the others, say groups they are in, was this user created recentally and the others are older? |
| 14:36.00 | holymoly | is only engish allowed in this channel |
| 14:36.17 | sylar | somiaj, no, it is as old as the others, and about the same permissions |
| 14:36.20 | somiaj | holymoly: yes this is an english support channel, debian has support channels in other languages, what language would you prefer? |
| 14:36.37 | karlpinc | jolt: Although tunneling ssh is got to be easier. Thanks for the help. |
| 14:36.42 | holymoly | german |
| 14:36.45 | somiaj | !de |
| 14:36.45 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 14:37.14 | holymoly | ok thank u very muchi |
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| 14:37.23 | jolt | karlpinc: np! |
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| 14:38.08 | sylar | I will try to restart the session, and will be disconnected for a bit as a result |
| 14:38.23 | ChrisH | sylar: ps -ef | grep cups should show nothing after the cups stop |
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| 14:40.41 | holymoly | i have some questions about debian security and it s code |
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| 14:41.26 | sylar | restarting gnome didn't resolve the issue |
| 14:41.46 | ChrisH | sylar: ps -ef | grep cups should show nothing after the cups stop |
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| 14:42.19 | holymoly | so debian is open source means u can see the code ... but i am a noob .... so i can t say the debian code is clean... how is provieded the debian code is clean |
| 14:42.46 | karlpinc | jolt: Great Idea. Worked. Thanks. (I just port forwarded the ssh port.) |
| 14:43.10 | Dicoletian | was it ssh -D |
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| 14:43.57 | sylar | ChrisH, after stop there was no cups process |
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| 14:44.00 | ChrisH | holymoly: Unless to can "read" the code yourself, you need to trust the Debian Developeres and package maintainers. Similar you trust your TV Vendor, your car dealer, phone vendero... |
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| 14:45.08 | ChrisH | sylar: and after starting cups you see some processes. Can you paste ps -ef |egrep -e "lp|cups" on paste.debian.net and if possible cups error.log? check that for private data |
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| 14:47.48 | somiaj | holymoly: https://www.debian.org/security/audit/ -- some packages are then audited by a small team, but due the vast number of pacakges they mainly focus on the key packages. |
| 14:48.23 | smartass | is there some standard way in Debian to compile software for the use with environment-modules? |
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| 14:48.35 | jhutchins | holymoly: We also know that thousands of people use and review the code, and that if there are security problems they get spotted and addressed quickly. |
| 14:49.12 | sylar | ChrisH, that egrep show mainly the stuck jobs, I think |
| 14:49.45 | sylar | ChrisH, and they are stuck because their printer is offline |
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| 14:50.22 | ChrisH | sylar: a stuck job normally does not lead to lpstat -r show: scheduler not running. Does the GUI show anything weird? |
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| 14:51.46 | sylar | xchat spell checker doesn't replace the words I tell it too |
| 14:51.56 | sylar | other than that I didn't notice anything |
| 14:52.44 | Dicoletian | When I try and use Gparted my computer freezes when it's searching for devices. I'm using the latest version, is there a fix? |
| 14:54.20 | sylar | ah, I see I am on squeeze |
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| 14:59.19 | factor | Does a iso exist of security.debian.org/debian-security |
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| 15:01.01 | somiaj | factor: I haven't heard of one. Though the point releases do incorpriate all the security updates up to the time of the point release. |
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| 15:01.13 | somiaj | factor: why are you wanting a disc? |
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| 15:01.30 | factor | to mount localy and apt-get |
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| 15:01.48 | holymoly | can a deamon be a user |
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| 15:01.53 | somiaj | I think you'll have to make your own, any reason you can't just get them from the internet factor? |
| 15:01.54 | holymoly | ? |
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| 15:02.21 | somiaj | holymoly: in many cases deamon's have a user they run as for permission issues. |
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| 15:02.30 | factor | I like just downloading the whole mess and then apt-get what I want. I am downloading piece meal currently. |
| 15:02.34 | somiaj | but the deamon is not a user, it is just run as that user |
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| 15:05.01 | somiaj | factor: there are tools that would help you do that, I am not familar with them but I have heard mention of tools to create a custom iso, or you could run a local mirror cache and apt-get from that on your network. But I have not seen any update cd's with all the security updates (besides the ones that get released with the point releases) |
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| 15:05.59 | factor | somiaj: Thanks, i will look into that later. |
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| 15:10.34 | kahiru | yo debianiers |
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| 15:11.15 | NaturalMess | ChrisH somiaj: tar xvf file.tar.xz works fine :) |
| 15:11.20 | Nectur | cant get audio to work |
| 15:11.43 | Nectur | intel hda |
| 15:12.11 | kahiru | anyone runs debian with systemd? |
| 15:12.18 | Nectur | alsa says its initialised using generic method |
| 15:13.15 | babilen | kahiru: Many people are |
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| 15:14.19 | kahiru | after using fedora at work i got used to systemd way too much |
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| 15:16.19 | babilen | kahiru: If you are thinking about using it on wheezy you will almost certainly the version in wheezy-backports (204), but then I'd probably wait for until 208 has been backported from jessie |
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| 15:17.19 | kahiru | babilen: i dont need that much stability, guess jessie would be better for my needs |
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| 15:18.26 | jelly | if you prefer shiny new shit to a working system, jessie is a better fit |
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| 15:19.09 | jelly | (but we'll expect you to report bugs! and stuff) |
| 15:19.20 | kahiru | jelly: jessie is not that new, right? |
| 15:19.33 | ledestin | Iâve got standard exim config with smarthost set to gmail. and despite having default retry rules, which should give me some time, I get âretry timeout exceededâ soon after sending emails. any ideas? |
| 15:20.38 | babilen | kahiru: It is a development branch (testing) -- http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 15:20.42 | smartass | is there some convenient way to create a package that would live with another side by side using --prefix? |
| 15:20.45 | jelly | kahiru: it's both new and work-in-progress |
| 15:21.02 | Nectur | no one ever had audio issues? |
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| 15:21.29 | Nectur | any pointers in right direction will help |
| 15:21.44 | babilen | kahiru: A lot of the things that are mentioned in the said faq apply to testing as well -- https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- Take a look at <testing> <jsm> <wheezy->jessie> if you consider running it -- /msg dpkg jsm |
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| 15:24.16 | babilen | Nectur: Does "speaker-test -t wav" work? Does it work if you run "alsactl init" ? Did you unmute channels in "alsamixer" with "m" ? |
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| 15:25.06 | NaturalMess | how do you shutdown propely? |
| 15:25.12 | NaturalMess | shutdown -h |
| 15:25.13 | NaturalMess | ? |
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| 15:25.30 | Nectur | babilen yes to alsactl init and yes not muted |
| 15:25.32 | holymoly | ishitdown .h 0 |
| 15:25.46 | holymoly | shutdown -h 0 |
| 15:25.48 | LtL | NaturalMess: or shutdown -h now |
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| 15:26.00 | Nectur | alsactl init says initialised using general method |
| 15:26.03 | NaturalMess | why i cant find -k line? |
| 15:26.09 | NaturalMess | should shutdown -k work as well? |
| 15:26.14 | holymoly | ,NO |
| 15:26.16 | holymoly | -h |
| 15:26.18 | holymoly | . |
| 15:26.28 | holymoly | -h enjoyy |
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| 15:27.10 | somiaj | NaturalMess: yea I still put the zip format flag in my tar flags as habbit, but it is nice it detects them now. (: |
| 15:28.28 | Nectur | babilen speaker test says file not found |
| 15:28.45 | babilen | Which file? |
| 15:29.05 | smartass | ok, I'll be specific: I want have python-sklearn-0.14 installed in /sw/ ... what is the best approach that is simple to maintain? |
| 15:29.25 | babilen | Nectur: Also: What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you? What about "aplay -L" ? |
| 15:29.32 | babilen | (â http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 15:30.51 | Nectur | hda intel alc283 |
| 15:31.28 | babilen | Nectur: That is surely not the entire output of those two commands (or is it?) |
| 15:31.39 | Geust_ | Hi |
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| 15:32.25 | Geust_ | We need yast on debian , Is there project started since 2005 for install yast on debian , Why not completed this project even now ? |
| 15:32.27 | babilen | smartass: You want to use virtual environments with virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper -- https://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenvwrapper |
| 15:32.46 | Geust_ | the project : http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 15:33.18 | babilen | Geust_: Feel free to code it. I see no need for yast on Debian at all, but if you care about it you are welcome to work on that project. |
| 15:33.29 | grothendieck1 | "we need yast on debian" - now I've heard everything |
| 15:34.06 | smartass | babilen: that would require to compile numpy and scipy too, it would bootrsap too many things ... I was just thinking about recompiling the deb package with some --prefix option |
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| 15:34.59 | babilen | smartass: Why would that be the case? |
| 15:35.24 | babilen | smartass: And no, you cannot install Debian packages somewhere else. Why would you want to do that anyway? |
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| 15:36.05 | babilen | Nectur: Feel free to keep it in the channel |
| 15:36.11 | smartass | babilen: I want to provide different working environments through the Modules toolkit |
| 15:36.22 | Geust_ | babilen Is there a control panel on the debian like yast? |
| 15:36.39 | smartass | babilen: trying to find out, wtether there si some other way than to do everything manually |
| 15:36.55 | Nectur | ? |
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| 15:38.01 | babilen | Nectur: You just /msg'ed me a link to http://paste.debian.net. It would, IMHO, be a better idea to keep it in the channel as that allows other users to see your paste too and I don't end up with a bazillian private messages in my IRC client. |
| 15:38.16 | raccoon_ | is it possible to start the debian installer from an mounted iso image (say netinstaller), without restarting and booting a proper media? |
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| 15:38.45 | Nectur | hmm ok |
| 15:38.45 | smartass | raccoon_: in VirtualBoc or alike, sure |
| 15:39.18 | raccoon_ | smartass: i have a vps without access to boot it with a custom image as cdrom, for the moment... |
| 15:39.25 | raccoon_ | awaiting suppor ticket answer on that |
| 15:39.40 | raccoon_ | support* |
| 15:39.55 | YamakasY | guys there are issues with preceed over overwriting interfaces |
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| 15:40.01 | YamakasY | preseed |
| 15:40.28 | babilen | Nectur: You have two cards listed (no idea why), namely Intel and Intel_1 and I believe that the problem arises from that. You might want to ask in #alsa for help as I haven't seen that particular configuration/issue before. |
| 15:40.28 | SirLagz | YamakasY: what do you mean overwriting interfaces ? |
| 15:41.06 | YamakasY | SirLagz: when you preseed a machine and you add something to /etc/network/interfaces the file is overwritten |
| 15:41.08 | Nectur | one is hdmi other 3.5mm jack |
| 15:41.12 | YamakasY | after the reboot |
| 15:41.31 | babilen | smartass: I still think that virtual environments would be a better option (and nothing prevents you from using system modules) -- What is "the Modules toolkit" ? |
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| 15:41.39 | Nectur | its an intergrated chip on a mini asus mini pc |
| 15:41.50 | SirLagz | YamakasY: what are you trying to add into that file ? |
| 15:42.13 | smartass | babilen: modifies PATH, MANPATH, etc. when a set of packages is added to the working env |
| 15:42.48 | Nectur | so i assume the intel chip controlls both outputs |
| 15:43.13 | YamakasY | SirLagz: I need to source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.conf |
| 15:43.13 | smartass | babilen: e.g. if gcc-3 is installed and configured in /sw/gcc-3/ then a `module load gcc-3` will change all the *PATH variables |
| 15:43.39 | SirLagz | YamakasY: I see |
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| 15:44.45 | smartass | babilen: virtualenv is very similar, Modules is more general |
| 15:44.51 | YamakasY | SirLagz: that dir is not included by default, which is weird also |
| 15:44.54 | babilen | smartass: Is that packaged in Debian or do you have the URL of the upstream project? |
| 15:45.10 | smartass | babilen: environment-modules in Debian |
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| 15:45.59 | smartass | babilen: it's very common on HPC systems in scientific communities |
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| 15:46.15 | babilen | smartass: Ah, that looks interesting. And you are essentially trying to "abuse" Debian's packaging system into installing into various "modules" ? |
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| 15:46.50 | smartass | babilen: I don't want to abuse it, that's why I'm asking if there is some way to do this |
| 15:47.17 | smartass | I could do it all manually, but that becomes hard to manage |
| 15:47.21 | babilen | My "abuse" rather meant "behave in a non-standard way" |
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| 15:47.51 | smartass | then yes, I'd want dpkg-buildpackage to install into a prefix |
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| 15:48.41 | smartass | rpm has --prefix, so I'm wondering if dpkg can do something like that, at least in teh build phase |
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| 15:49.33 | phy1729 | Is there a way for when a user writes to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys The input goes to a script instead? I need to store keys in AD through LDAP but would like for users to still have ssh-keyscan work. |
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| 15:50.36 | smartass | phy1729: make the file a named pipe |
| 15:50.58 | babilen | smartass: You can do something like that in debian/rules, but I'm not sure if maintaining a set of forked packages is a better solution for you. (i.e. override install prefix there) |
| 15:51.00 | grothendieck | phy1729: might want to chattr it immutable too |
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| 15:51.53 | phy1729 | Do you happen to know if I can run arbitary commands with pam_mount? Or do I need to go google? |
| 15:51.55 | babilen | smartass: I'd ask about that particular approach in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- but I am still not convinced that that would be the best approach. Assuming you were able to to that what would you do then? |
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| 15:54.46 | smartass | babilen: I could rephrase it as how to have both php 5.5 and 5.4 on the same system |
| 15:55.04 | abrotman | why not fix the app? |
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| 15:55.55 | babilen | smartass: Is *that* actually the problem you are trying to solve or is that just an example? |
| 15:56.27 | smartass | babilen: just an example ... llvm-3.2 for numba is perhaps a more real example in my case |
| 15:56.28 | babilen | removes layer after layer of xy problem |
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| 15:56.47 | smartass | but most people can relate to php better |
| 15:57.12 | xstefen | feels good to have a bit of pure debian in my life |
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| 15:57.50 | babilen | smartass: So you want to make versions of packages available that are *not* made available in a co-installable way by Debian? (e.g. by back/forwardporting the same package from different releases) |
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| 15:58.46 | smartass | babilen: yes ... and e.g. llvm-3.2 is not in either relese, so a release chroot wouldn't help |
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| 15:59.17 | babilen | smartass: So you would have to compile it from source anyway, wouldn't you? |
| 15:59.53 | smartass | sure, just looking for a tool that would make it more convenient |
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| 16:00.17 | babilen | Sorry for being pesky, just trying to understand your situation. My impression is that Debian packages are not what you are you are looking for if all you want of them is to treat them as a way to get around compiling software yourself. |
| 16:00.33 | babilen | s/you are/ |
| 16:01.26 | smartass | I like Debian as a base, but I need to customize and _maintain_ the software selection in some cases |
| 16:01.53 | smartass | and the Gentoo-prefix project is an overkill, it does not reuse the base system |
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| 16:02.16 | babilen | smartass: I mean my personal approach for "software is not in Debian" is to compile it manually and then use --prefix=/usr/local/stow/$SOFTWARE-$VERSION with stow (cf. "/msg dpkg stow"). My, admittedly, very superficial understanding of Modules is that it would allow you to do more or less the same. |
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| 16:03.39 | smartass | hmm, stow looks very nice |
| 16:03.40 | babilen | Your problem with that is that it would force you to check upstream projects for new releases, "painstakingly" compile them again which just becomes unwieldy for more than, say, 15 projects? Is that correct so far? |
| 16:03.50 | smartass | yes, essentially it just uses a different strategy |
| 16:03.52 | babilen | stow is lovely |
| 16:04.19 | smartass | Modules uses *PATH variables whereas stow uses symlinks |
| 16:04.31 | smartass | the former is nicer, but the latter more reliable |
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| 16:05.14 | smartass | babilen: yes, maintenance of several packages with dependencies is the problem |
| 16:05.42 | smartass | babilen: I would need sor of a recursive build-dep resolver |
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| 16:06.21 | smartass | I don't mind checking upstream, just the local maintenance is troublesome |
| 16:06.25 | babilen | Sure, we understand the need for that ;) |
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| 16:06.47 | smartass | babilen: so how well does stow integrate with dpkg ? |
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| 16:07.05 | babilen | In the end Debian supports that (e.g. you can easily install python 2.6, python 2.7 and python 3.4 at the same time if you want for example) |
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| 16:07.48 | dontknow | how can i see a wheezy-backport package changelog? |
| 16:07.51 | babilen | smartass: stow doesn't integrate with dpkg/apt at all. All it does is to allow you to introduce an additional layer in /usr/local so that you can single out different projects there. |
| 16:08.05 | smartass | say I find a *.dsc file and want to build it and stow would set it up ... is there some tool for that? |
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| 16:08.20 | babilen | Not aware of something for that, no |
| 16:08.33 | smartass | babilen: the python example is supported by Debian though ... |
| 16:08.42 | babilen | Yes, exactly. |
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| 16:09.09 | smartass | babilen: so it'Ä more about what to do in the case whn Debian does not support it |
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| 16:09.57 | smartass | babilen: btw, were you talking about stow or xstow? |
| 16:10.54 | dontknow | how can i see a wheezy-backport package changelog? |
| 16:11.09 | babilen | I understand that, I am just trying to clarify things. In the end Debian wouldn't help you much because you would have to do a lot of packaging and introduce changes to the way packages are build. My impression is that you would be better off to work on automated way to install software into /usr/local/stow (or the equivalent for Modules) |
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| 16:11.23 | babilen | I was referring to stow, haven't really compared them a lot |
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| 16:12.04 | smartass | babilen: by automated you mean what? |
| 16:12.04 | babilen | I should probably start using xstow (but then I might not, stow wfm) |
| 16:12.41 | smartass | dontknow: find it in the online pakcage database and then ook at the changelog link |
| 16:13.08 | dontknow | smartass, i mean with apt stuff |
| 16:13.28 | babilen | smartass: That is exactly the question. Due to being familiar with it (due to $JOB) I would probably use some orchestration/configuration management tool such as salt and automate the installation of additional software with that. That would also allow you to react to changes and trigger other states and so on. |
| 16:14.11 | dontknow | smartass, ok. forget it |
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| 16:15.43 | smartass | babilen: so you thinksalt stack + xstow might work? |
| 16:15.53 | babilen | yeah |
| 16:16.21 | babilen | But there might be better solutions :-/ -- I'd definitely write to debian-users and a couple of other mailing lists before starting to implement this |
| 16:16.24 | smartass | so I'd be using salt as sort of a package manager |
| 16:16.52 | babilen | I don't really like that approach, but it would, at least, ease some of the tasks. |
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| 16:18.40 | smartass | the reason I was asking about *.dsc files was to reuse the great work doen by Debian maintainers |
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| 16:19.58 | babilen | sure |
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| 16:21.37 | babilen | smartass: Well, feel free to discuss it in #debian-mentors, but then everything you can install from Debian packages you can install already. I don't see the point of installing them to /usr/local if you can install them to /usr/ right away. Nothing stops you from packaging additional software either, but it gets tricky when you want to mix versions of packages that have no support for that (like python does for example) which doesn't buy you much. |
| 16:22.01 | babilen | smartass: I also don't necessarily think that the "dependency hell" is that bad, but then it might be. |
| 16:22.14 | YamakasY | uhm why is /etc/network.interfaces.d not automaticly loaded ? |
| 16:24.11 | babilen | YamakasY: You have to source it explicitly |
| 16:24.39 | babilen | (and that should be /etc/network/interfaces.d/ and not /etc/network.interfaces.d ) |
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| 16:25.21 | babilen | The default interfaces file does that, but I have no idea what you are doing there. |
| 16:25.48 | YamakasY | babilen: whoops |
| 16:26.08 | YamakasY | babilen: it does ? not my preseed one |
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| 16:26.58 | babilen | YamakasY: source-directory interfaces.d -- see interfaces(5) |
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| 16:27.32 | surf | hi guys I have a problem on my new t440s: when I scroll down the page it's like if it's lagging, in fact I see some strange stuff in the middle.. I can't explain very well just saying that it's NOT fluid |
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| 16:27.53 | YamakasY | babilen: yes but that source line is not per default in interfaces |
| 16:28.07 | babilen | It said so in the manpage :) |
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| 16:28.50 | babilen | Either way, just add it as you have to make it explicit that you want to source interface definitions from a different directory |
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| 16:29.28 | YamakasY | babilen: I don't get what you mean... I cannot write into /e/n/i as it's overwritten by preseed and it's not inclused by default |
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| 16:30.59 | babilen | It's overwritten by preseed? How does it exist before the preseed? |
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| 16:31.17 | babilen | Also: preseed? |
| 16:31.38 | babilen | "uhm why is /etc/network.interfaces.d not automaticly loaded ?" does not mention that at all |
| 16:31.47 | babilen | obviously misses some important bits |
| 16:31.55 | malcom2073 | Question about debian control files: I know ${shlibs:Depends} can be used for the dependanices, are there any variables that can be used for the filename on the final package? |
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| 16:34.50 | malcom2073 | Nevermind, found the answer in the docs, just didn't search hard enough |
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| 16:38.01 | YamakasY | babilen: the files there are not automaticly loaded when you put them in |
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| 16:51.02 | littlebit | i have an amd 6 core cpu and wanted to know if debian distributes the tasks accross all these cores... |
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| 16:57.57 | woshty | littlebit: What is a task? |
| 16:58.10 | littlebit | woshty: a program |
| 16:58.17 | littlebit | or process |
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| 16:59.22 | calisto | where can understand de cycles of develop of debian?, exist any quality control when a package goes from sid to testing, usually broken my testing distro in basic services, ej wifi, touchpad , etc... |
| 16:59.37 | woshty | littlebit: Not every program runs on all the cores. Depending on what you are going to do, cores might be idle. |
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| 17:00.47 | littlebit | woshty: I mean when you have lets say 30 programs/processes, do they get distributed on all cores? or how does debian deal with 6 or 8 cores |
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| 17:06.02 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell calisto -about debian-next |
| 17:06.29 | woshty | littlebit: The same as other linux distributions do. It will use your six cores. |
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| 17:07.09 | littlebit | woshty: ok thx |
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| 17:18.26 | smartass | babilen: just FYI, I think I'll go with EasyBuild, seems to be designed just for my needs |
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| 17:41.54 | opposition | good evening hackers and crackers |
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| 17:43.41 | opposition | GOOOooooood evening ! Hackers ! and Crackers ! |
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| 17:45.35 | Yatekii | hey guys :) |
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| 17:52.37 | wubic | I installed tripwire and ssmtp, mail command works great but tripwire cant send mail anyway, any hints? |
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| 17:58.11 | opposition | wubic: nop, no hints |
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| 17:58.27 | opposition | the techies have gone to sleep |
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| 17:59.51 | petn-randall | wubic: Have you checked /var/log/mail.log and mail.err yet? Maybe ssmtp logs somewhere else, I don't know it. |
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| 18:00.28 | sylar | in the end the printer's problem was due to some dbus hanged process |
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| 18:02.40 | davidfetter_ebay | hi |
| 18:02.47 | davidfetter_ebay | is there an info bot in channel? |
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| 18:05.43 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, yes, two, dpkg and judd |
| 18:06.26 | davidfetter_ebay | Brigo, thanks :) |
| 18:06.27 | opposition | dpkg: good evening |
| 18:06.28 | dpkg | hmm... good evening is welcome to #debian |
| 18:06.44 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, np :) |
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| 18:07.22 | davidfetter_ebay | judd, how do i install fb303? |
| 18:08.02 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, you better ask dpkg. Judd is for database questions. |
| 18:08.07 | davidfetter_ebay | ah |
| 18:08.10 | davidfetter_ebay | just asked |
| 18:08.27 | Brigo | daveX7, and /query it to get private messages |
| 18:08.35 | davidfetter_ebay | ok, so i've asked them about it in /msg |
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| 18:08.46 | davidfetter_ebay | i feel like i'm OK asking in channel now :P |
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| 18:08.59 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, yes, /msg dpkg fb303 for example |
| 18:08.59 | davidfetter_ebay | how do i install the fb303 library? |
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| 18:09.12 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, ah, ok :) |
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| 18:09.43 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, what is that? |
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| 18:10.28 | davidfetter_ebay | it's a dependency for a postgresql foreign data wrapper for hadoop. iirc the "fb" signifies its facebook origin |
| 18:10.45 | davidfetter_ebay | i'm pretty sure it's under a liberal license (lesser GPL or less restrictive) |
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| 18:11.30 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, i can not find it in debina repos |
| 18:11.35 | davidfetter_ebay | it's part of thrift, if that helps |
| 18:11.59 | wubic | petn-randall: yes does not give any answers when running tripwire, mail gives me a few lines :( |
| 18:12.01 | davidfetter_ebay | http://thrift.apache.org |
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| 18:15.16 | davidfetter_ebay | i'm a bit of a debian n00b, so it's not exactly clear to me how i get from https://github.com/apache/thrift/tree/master/debian to actually having the package installed in a way that won't make the next sysadmin cry |
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| 18:15.28 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, there are some packages thrift related. |
| 18:15.36 | davidfetter_ebay | of course i know how to su to root and install from source, which i regard as the last resort :P |
| 18:15.59 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, for install for source, not recomended, use checkinstall |
| 18:16.11 | davidfetter_ebay | dpkg apparently doesn't like *foo* |
| 18:16.11 | dpkg | davidfetter_ebay: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:16.38 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, there are some package like python-thrift, or thrift-compiler, in jessie |
| 18:16.56 | davidfetter_ebay | o/` i wish that i had jessie's girl ... o/` |
| 18:16.58 | davidfetter_ebay | sorry |
| 18:17.04 | davidfetter_ebay | '80s moment |
| 18:18.31 | davidfetter_ebay | uname -a |
| 18:18.32 | davidfetter_ebay | Linux annebonny 3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.8-1~bpo70+1 (2013-11-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:18.34 | davidfetter_ebay | ^^ anything i should know about how this might affect forward progress? |
| 18:18.41 | opposition | jessie has moved to a trailer by the sea |
| 18:19.02 | opposition | she had been thinking to go to mexico |
| 18:20.02 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, what? to install the program from sources? |
| 18:20.32 | davidfetter_ebay | Brigo, well, in the interest of expediency, i can probably do that, but i'd like to make this easier for those who follow |
| 18:21.29 | davidfetter_ebay | i guess i need to stop shaving this yak and get my jfdi on :) |
| 18:21.53 | Brigo | is not a perfetc way, as long as the packages are not in debian. |
| 18:22.11 | Brigo | jfdi? |
| 18:22.22 | xreal | Could anyone help me on this please? http://pastie.org/private/m3rfnajhvxb6ua8avjhw |
| 18:22.23 | davidfetter_ebay | "just [famously] do it" |
| 18:23.17 | woshty | xreal: I did (I think). |
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| 18:24.40 | xreal | woshty: sorry, you didn't hilite me :( |
| 18:24.45 | xreal | you did... |
| 18:24.47 | xreal | ARGH, sorry |
| 18:25.09 | alreece45 | xreal: From the shell where you run touch, does `id` show the membership of raspberry? |
| 18:25.33 | xreal | 1 sec |
| 18:25.53 | xreal | woshty: it says group:raspberry:rwx #effective:r-x |
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| 18:26.06 | xreal | seems like there's a "w" missing? |
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| 18:26.11 | davidfetter_ebay | Brigo, i suppose if one were so inclined, one might use a gerundive adverb of saxon derivation there. |
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| 18:26.30 | xreal | alreece45: "touch" doesn't work since I don't have permission to write |
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| 18:27.20 | woshty | xreal: It has to do with how those masks get applied and to what. Iirc there is a section on that in man setfacl. I forgot how exactly it works but leaving out the --no-mask might help in your case - not sure. |
| 18:27.42 | xreal | woshty: I've turned oof mask |
| 18:27.47 | xreal | but let me try |
| 18:27.58 | Brigo | davidfetter_ebay, i do not know! i only speaks the english enoght to express myself badly. As you can see :) |
| 18:28.06 | xreal | woshty: I had a problem with rsync when using it without --no-mask |
| 18:28.19 | davidfetter_ebay | is from .us, and hence speaks very poor english |
| 18:28.24 | xreal | I didn't think, having a shared folder is that hard :( |
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| 18:29.23 | freetip | visit http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx soccer tips |
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| 18:31.34 | woshty | xreal: Ah, do not remember having issues with that. Did you use -A on rsync? |
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| 18:31.47 | xreal | woshty: no, what's that ? |
| 18:32.01 | woshty | xreal: That preserves ACLs |
| 18:32.13 | xreal | woshty: I don't want to preserve ACLs |
| 18:32.26 | xreal | woshty: it's coming from NTFS on Windows (cygwin) :D |
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| 18:33.24 | woshty | xreal: No idea, sry. |
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| 18:51.37 | zoidberg- | Hey does anyone run a speedtouch 330 modem on debian, or has done in the past ( i know its an old modem, trying to get it working under debian ), http://codepad.org/SFzY5kZL <-- anyone know how to get this working i can't see to get it to grab device like ttyS0? |
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| 18:52.22 | At00mic | Because Kali is not available for Linux torrents? |
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| 18:52.43 | At00mic | Because Kali Linux is not available for torrents? |
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| 18:54.51 | petn-randall | At00mic: Can you rephrase your question? If it's about Kali, that is supported in their respective IRC channel. |
| 18:55.25 | At00mic | They did not answer :/ |
| 18:55.29 | At00mic | Sorry |
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| 18:57.03 | woshty | zoidberg-: I think I remember someone else gave up on using that but it was some time ago .. did you find https://wiki.debian.org/Speedtouch330 ? |
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| 19:16.39 | opposition | roger roger |
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| 19:17.55 | meaneye | What's the channel for debian testing? |
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| 19:20.07 | LtL | meaneye: #debian-next on OFTC.net |
| 19:20.14 | meaneye | Okay, thanks. |
| 19:20.22 | LtL | no prob |
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| 19:24.53 | shay_shay | hello |
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| 19:25.39 | TJP | !ask |
| 19:25.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:25.52 | valdyn | zoidberg-: did you read the https://wiki.debian.org/Speedtouch330 ? |
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| 19:33.31 | xreal | Is "chown :group" identical to "chgrp group" ? |
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| 19:36.30 | dariopnc | hi everyone, I'd like to make a script to "export" my pic from Shotwell, but I know little about sqlite (shotwell db) and can't extract the info I need, any help? |
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| 19:40.46 | davidfetter_ebay | dariopnc, this sounds more like a #sqlite question. what is it you want to export? |
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| 19:42.35 | dariopnc | davidfetter_ebay, thanks, I'd love to extract infos about "Events" (dates and names) and replicate that directory structure |
| 19:43.08 | davidfetter_ebay | dariopnc, have you tried the sqlite3 client on those files? |
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| 19:45.15 | dariopnc | yes I looked at the tables, but didn't got what I needed -> It seemed to me (but not sure at all) that Events were stored without date infos |
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| 19:55.17 | goose | My laptop (Home debian server, no GUI interface) seems to keep getting hotter and hotter despite not doing anything strenuous.. How can I figure out what's going on with it? |
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| 19:55.59 | leozeppelin_ | the cooler is working? |
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| 19:56.10 | jhutchins | goose: Top, ps ax, cpufreq, lm_sensors... |
| 19:56.38 | leozeppelin_ | is the cooler working? |
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| 19:57.02 | goose | leozeppelin_: yeah, fans are working fine |
| 19:57.16 | goose | spinning louder and louder though, every few minutes, near maxed out I think |
| 19:57.18 | valdyn | goose: you need to enable cpu frequency scaling if it is not on |
| 19:57.23 | goose | acpi -t tells me my CPU is at 78 C |
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| 19:57.54 | goose | jhutchins: yeah, htop/top/ps shows nothing strenous going on with my system, what I want to know is why the CPU is getting hotter and hotter |
| 19:58.01 | goose | I established that there's nothing strenous going on |
| 19:58.09 | goose | that's why I said "despite not doing anything strenous" |
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| 19:58.18 | valdyn | goose: thats expected |
| 19:58.30 | woshty | powertop can tell you the time it goes into deeper sleep states, but that sounds more like a blocked fan or sth |
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| 19:58.36 | valdyn | goose: heat depends more on current frequency, less on what its actually doing |
| 19:58.37 | goose | valdyn: awesome, thank you, let me check that out |
| 19:58.41 | leozeppelin_ | how is your latptop configuration? |
| 19:58.53 | valdyn | goose: see the cpufrequtils package |
| 19:59.24 | valdyn | goose: i dont know about anything really simple to do this, but on the bright side, once you read the docs you can cap the max frequency |
| 20:00.44 | valdyn | typical trash hardware that (near) overheats by default |
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| 20:02.09 | leozeppelin_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed |
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| 20:02.33 | valdyn | goose: i would *not* mess with fan speed |
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| 20:03.39 | jhutchins | goose: I've had to set up cpufreq on more than one laptop, otherwise they ran max cpu speed all the time, and the cooling can't keep up with that on a laptop. |
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| 20:04.26 | goose | valdyn: got my cpu scaling set up, we'll see if that sorts it out |
| 20:04.27 | goose | thanks :) |
| 20:04.53 | valdyn | acpi -t should go down within few seconds |
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| 20:08.31 | goose | valdyn: how important is the /etc/sysfs.conf contents? What this guide provides fails on startup: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
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| 20:09.13 | goose | cpufreq-info shows all cores at 800 MHz, the lowest possible frequency |
| 20:09.24 | goose | but apci -t still shows 78C |
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| 20:10.13 | valdyn | goose: i dont know how reliable acpi -t is |
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| 20:10.31 | valdyn | goose: when the clock is at minimum then properly built devices barely need a fan at all |
| 20:11.16 | valdyn | goose: as long as your governor is set to "ondemand", you dont need to set anything else |
| 20:11.38 | goose | fair enough |
| 20:11.50 | valdyn | goose: but since youre using the laptop as a server it might make sense to reduce the max available frequency to something it can sustain for days |
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| 20:12.22 | goose | well, it's already at minimum |
| 20:12.32 | goose | I'm gonna shut it down and let it cool for a bit, then fire it back up to see what it does |
| 20:12.40 | valdyn | goose: now it is, sure, but it wont be when you have a runaway process |
| 20:12.50 | goose | if I never installed a desktop environment, there's no reason it should be the GPU, correct? |
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| 20:13.05 | valdyn | goose: try lm-sensors |
| 20:13.11 | valdyn | goose: maybe acpi -t is lieing |
| 20:13.47 | goose | alright. |
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| 20:16.03 | jhutchins | goose: Also, most laptops aren't designed to run with the screen closed. Make sure it's open. |
| 20:16.23 | jhutchins | goose: Possibly prop it up off the surface half an inch. |
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| 20:16.47 | rgr | thats godo advice . Many have their vent on the bottom : and why I've almost set fire to my bed quilt on numerous occasions.... |
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| 20:18.52 | drybjed | hello, anybody has a recent problem with wheezy-updates apt repository being not valid suddenly? |
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| 20:22.56 | srged | Hi. I need an image viwer with crop option. preferable a light one |
| 20:23.11 | davidfetter_ebay | srged, have you tried xv? |
| 20:23.57 | srged | davidfetter_ebay: no i didnt. should i? |
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| 20:24.48 | davidfetter_ebay | srged, well, i don't know whether it's easy to get for debian, but i've been using it since the 1990s, which means it has to be light on modern hardware |
| 20:25.51 | srged | I see |
| 20:26.19 | davidfetter_ebay | dpkg, xv |
| 20:26.19 | dpkg | xv is probably at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick, or mplayer -vo xv goes faster |
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| 20:26.41 | davidfetter_ebay | well, there's the officious answer |
| 20:26.46 | davidfetter_ebay | official* ;) |
| 20:27.28 | srged | :) |
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| 20:27.57 | srged | thx |
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| 20:37.26 | ompaul | iptables question: I have three computers 1.client 2.server-fw 3.service with the service on a port 4567 currently anyone can get from 2.server 3.server 4567 if they have a username and password |
| 20:38.02 | ompaul | what I want to do is write a rule to include it in iptables which says 2.client is the only one able to talk to 3.server on port4567 |
| 20:38.20 | ompaul | other ports other people can talk on but that is restricted |
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| 20:40.05 | shay_shay | is there a way to rotate kernels in debian to where old ones will get trimmed when there are more than x number of kernels? |
| 20:40.23 | shay_shay | automatically, in the example of automatic updates |
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| 20:43.11 | ctmjr | shay_shay: if you installed the kernels with apt it will remove old kernels keeping the current one and the next oldest i beliave |
| 20:43.59 | shay_shay | is that only for the meta-package? |
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| 20:44.13 | shay_shay | manually installed ones wont i understand? |
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| 20:47.08 | ctmjr | if you installed them yourself then you have to figure out how to remove them as apt does not know about them, and then update grub so it does not list them |
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| 21:00.37 | doebi | what can you tell me about this? http://files.doebi.at/temp/TeYW8nTm/ i just want to talk serial to a usb-connected teensy. on my notebook its working fine but on the synology embedded system its acting like seen on the log :/ and no /dev/ttyACM0 :( |
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| 21:05.37 | r-x-w- | Can anyone help me diagnose a connectivity issue? |
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| 21:05.48 | r-x-w- | I'm kind of lost. |
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| 21:06.01 | Spec | Heya. What is the best way to put ruby2.1.2+ onto Debian 7 (Wheezy)? |
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| 21:09.07 | Brigo | ,v ruby2.0 |
| 21:09.08 | judd | No package named 'ruby2.0' was found in i386. |
| 21:09.10 | Brigo | ,v ruby2 |
| 21:09.12 | judd | No package named 'ruby2' was found in i386. |
| 21:10.02 | Brigo | r-x-w-, what is the problem? |
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| 21:10.51 | Brigo | Spec, i think there is no ruby2.1.2+ in debian, so you have to download and compile it .. |
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| 21:11.50 | Brigo | !tell r-x-w- about ask |
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| 21:12.30 | r-x-w- | Brigo: I have connectivity issues with a VPS-- I can't reach it from the office. These are the traceroutes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yJveFyU3 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3RB9TD8w |
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| 21:12.48 | Dr-Shadow | Hi, is this possible to build a netboot image with latest kernel ? |
| 21:12.53 | Dr-Shadow | or a custom kernel at least |
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| 21:13.31 | r-x-w- | Brigo: How do I read these traceroutes? |
| 21:13.52 | monod | you read which path the packets went |
| 21:13.57 | monod | r-x-w-, ^ |
| 21:13.57 | Brigo | r-x-w-, the * are no responses. |
| 21:14.14 | r-x-w- | monod: yea, thanks. That's nothing new. |
| 21:14.28 | r-x-w- | Brigo: I know. |
| 21:14.35 | Brigo | Dr-Shadow, yes, it is, but i do not know how. |
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| 21:14.50 | monod | I once had a similar problem, let me find how did I solve that time, r-x-w- |
| 21:15.16 | acu | how can you complete force an upgrade ? (keeping the configurations and all) - I mean I want to download new packages and upgrade it in Wheezy ? |
| 21:15.19 | Brigo | r-x-w-, some * are normal since some routers does not reply to the ping, but so much looks like someone bloking the route. |
| 21:15.41 | Brigo | acu, what package? |
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| 21:16.21 | acu | I want kernel and all |
| 21:16.39 | Brigo | acu, so you want to upgrade all the system? |
| 21:16.42 | r-x-w- | Brigo: yes. Why are they both taking different routes? |
| 21:16.58 | acu | I want a force clean - something got screwed in a system and the GDM does not work, lightdm also does not let input of keyboard password is so wier |
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| 21:17.02 | acu | Brigo: yes |
| 21:17.16 | acu | It is a host for virtual machines |
| 21:17.46 | monod | r-x-w-, what does 'ip route' yield? |
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| 21:18.45 | Brigo | acu, if you did not edit the config files you can install one package again with apt-get install <pacakge> --reinstall |
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| 21:19.07 | acu | Brigo I want all - I did that with package by package |
| 21:19.26 | monod | r-x-w-, also, do you have 'route' installed? |
| 21:19.33 | AlephBeth | why does debian choose to point its FQDN and hostname towards the IP of the primary interface in /etc/hosts? if you want to talk to yourself, surely 127.0.0.1 / lo is better? |
| 21:19.40 | monod | r-x-w-, if you do, you can see what 'route' yields |
| 21:19.47 | r-x-w- | monod: on the server or office? |
| 21:20.03 | r-x-w- | monod: on the server default dev venet0 scope link |
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| 21:20.31 | monod | the one whose 'traceroute' shows the *'s |
| 21:20.34 | Brigo | acu, you have to reinstall all the packages, then |
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| 21:20.55 | Brigo | look at this: how to restores config files: http://serverfault.com/questions/82801/linux-how-to-restore-config-file-using-apt-get-aptitude |
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| 21:23.11 | monod | r-x-w-, I've now looked at your pastes (didn't see them before) and I now think it's a different problem than what I thought it to be |
| 21:23.19 | monod | then I can't help, sorry |
| 21:23.24 | monod | additionally, gottago |
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| 21:24.19 | r-x-w- | :) |
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| 21:32.16 | acu | howcan i clean the archive so when I do aptitude reinstall it downloads again ? |
| 21:32.53 | opposition | you can delete the files if thats what you want |
| 21:33.19 | opposition | you can find them in /var/cache/apt |
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| 21:33.49 | format_c | acu, aptitude clean |
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| 21:34.15 | opposition | rm -r /var/cache/apt |
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| 21:34.55 | acu | this system is so weird - it does not reboot - the login does not work I do not know exactly what is wrong with it |
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| 21:35.30 | opposition | you gotta login first then type reboot |
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| 21:36.48 | acu | opposition, i can, of course, login through ssh - but the gdm is somehow screwed |
| 21:37.15 | opposition | its a remote box |
| 21:37.20 | format_c | acu, what happens? Have you checked X.log.0? |
| 21:37.33 | Brigo | acu are you using wheezy? |
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| 21:40.46 | cx405 | Hello, I have following problem. I have two routers, one with internet access+built-in dsl (R1, 192.168.2.1/24) and connected by rj45 LAN-LAN wireless router(R2 192.168.2.2/24). Both routers have dhcp disabled. I connect from my debian box, 192.168.2.101/24, gateway 192.168.2.1 and I can not access router 1 interface via browser (Iceweasel, even links). If I repeat connection requests, R1 hangs or returns request timeout. Router 2 interface |
| 21:40.46 | cx405 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.21 | BenLue | can i ask about bind9? |
| 21:41.48 | petn-randall | BenLue: If it's on a Debian machine, yes. |
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| 21:44.18 | BenLue | I have installed and configure bind9. My Paste named.conf: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b718ea91/ named.conf.local: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3ffd9c56/ db.s3root.local: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/726af665/ last but not least db.2.168.192: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5c064fc9/ |
| 21:44.25 | petn-randall | cx405: R2 is configured as a bridge? |
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| 21:44.53 | BenLue | now i have change it from ben.local to s3root.local laters |
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| 21:45.31 | zoidberg- | valdyn: i did check that wiki but thats outdated |
| 21:45.33 | cx405 | petn-randall: no. Wireless only on R2 is enabled, R1 - disabled. Routers are connected via LAN port. There is no option "bridge" in R2, its TPLink-WR841ND |
| 21:45.48 | BenLue | when im trying open http://orange.s3root.local, i become an error "Server not found" |
| 21:45.50 | zoidberg- | i plug it in and its detected, valdyn - however i dont get a /dev/ttyUSB0 or /devttys0 |
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| 21:46.29 | BenLue | My Log: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b1c55200/ |
| 21:47.58 | BenLue | with ben.local was working before |
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| 21:51.11 | petn-randall | cx405: How does it route then from wifi to ethernet if both sides are running on the same subnet? |
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| 21:53.02 | cx405 | petn-randall: why wireless should they be on different subnet? R1(..2.1) R2(..2.2) all other clients (..2.100+) |
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| 21:53.21 | cx405 | petn-randall: why should wireless be on different subnet? R1(..2.1) R2(..2.2) all other clients (..2.100+) ** |
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| 21:54.47 | cx405 | petn-randall: routers are connected with rj45 cable LAN-LAN. R2 acts only as wireless access point. |
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| 21:56.07 | petn-randall | cx405: If you're not bridging, your setup is broken. You can't reach 192.168.2.1 from the other network segment since it's not directly reachable (you have to go through R2). |
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| 21:58.03 | BenLue | anyone idea? |
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| 21:59.27 | cx405 | petn-randall: they are on same network, same mask. If r2 would be connected to r1 via WAN port, then yes; but here they are connected via LAN ports. |
| 21:59.27 | pycoderf | hello all. at work i saw someone do somethign like this: mv /etc/foo{.bar} but that is not working for me. am i missing something? |
| 21:59.51 | petn-randall | BenLue: .local is the namespace used by zeroconf, I recommend using a different namespace as this will otherwise clash with it. |
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| 22:00.48 | petn-randall | cx405: R2 has 192.168.2.0/24 one the Ethernet port, right? |
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| 22:01.21 | cx405 | petn-randall: 192.168.2.2/24 to be precise |
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| 22:01.55 | petn-randall | cx405: /24 makes the last byte zero ... |
| 22:02.23 | petn-randall | cx405: Nevermind. And it also has 192.168.2.0/24 on the wifi side, right? |
| 22:02.37 | opposition | pycoderf: the mv command takes 2 arguments |
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| 22:02.45 | cx405 | petn-randall, its a mask. 192.168.2.2/24 translates in 192.168.2.2 255.255.255.0. What do you mean by wifi side? |
| 22:03.01 | pycoderf | right but on his fedora machien he used bash substitution or somethign to do it as one. since the path and name are the same but with an added suffix |
| 22:03.24 | opposition | no, you gotta use two arguments |
| 22:03.27 | pycoderf | mv /longpathhere/foo /longpath/foo.bak but done without typing the path again |
| 22:03.35 | pycoderf | is it somethign special on fedora? |
| 22:03.48 | pycoderf | or is there a shorter way of doing this |
| 22:03.52 | pycoderf | when i have a long path |
| 22:04.00 | opposition | not any one that i know of |
| 22:04.09 | pycoderf | weird as ive seen him do it plenty of times. |
| 22:04.32 | opposition | maybe he aliased the mv command |
| 22:04.43 | pycoderf | i dont think so |
| 22:04.43 | petn-randall | cx405: Ok, maybe I'm misunderstanding your setup. So you have R1 and R2 daisy-chained, right? Like this: (Internet) -- R1 -- R2 -- (your debian box)? |
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| 22:05.26 | opposition | interesting issue pycoderf but as i said i dont know about that |
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| 22:06.13 | cx405 | petn-randall: exactly. I suspect some update to kernel or even networkmanager broke things. :/ |
| 22:06.28 | pycoderf | opposition: ok i will ask tomorrow |
| 22:06.29 | BenLue | petn-randall i have change it in .ff3p |
| 22:06.45 | BenLue | but the Problem wasnt solved :( |
| 22:06.59 | opposition | pycoderf: i would have know |
| 22:07.04 | opposition | n |
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| 22:07.55 | petn-randall | pycoderf: 'rename' might be what you're looking for. It's likely that your shell expands /etc/foo{.bar} to "/etc/foo" "/etc/foo.bar" (as two arguments). |
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| 22:08.49 | opposition | then he uses an alias for mv |
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| 22:09.14 | petn-randall | I can imagine that zsh does that. |
| 22:10.18 | opposition | have you used it like that too petn-randall ? |
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| 22:13.43 | opposition | the man pages for rename say pretty much the same as for mv |
| 22:13.51 | opposition | also takes two args |
| 22:14.22 | opposition | maybe its some extension he uses |
| 22:14.32 | opposition | some added script |
| 22:15.12 | opposition | but then he has the mv command either as a script or an alias or something |
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| 22:21.24 | petn-randall | pycoderf: add a comma, and it should work: "/etc/foo{,.bar}" will expand to "/etc/foo /etc/foo.bar". |
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| 22:24.01 | opposition | lol |
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| 22:28.52 | pycoderf | is there a reccommended backend for samba passwords for small networks? i read tdbsam is best but unsure |
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| 22:31.22 | goose | valdyn: my laptop is still getting pretty hot, both sensors and acpi report 79C. Any other thoughts on how to figure out what's causing the thermal spikes? |
| 22:31.22 | goose | I'm sure it's software related, as the issue doesn't happen with the other OS (Windows) |
| 22:31.31 | BenLue | I have installed and configure bind9. My Paste named.conf: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ee955959/ named.conf.local: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3c7e3051/ db.s3root.local: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/48ee01d2/ last but not least db.2.168.192: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/946d2ea7/ |
| 22:31.43 | BenLue | i was change some configs from ben.local to s3root.ff3p, it was working before changing |
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| 22:32.52 | c3w | BenLue: can you diff with the old versions? |
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| 22:35.30 | BenLue | re |
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| 22:54.24 | pycoderf | is there a way to run samba and have it NOT act as a dc? |
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| 22:54.36 | pycoderf | it keep strying to start the ad-dc service |
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| 23:11.12 | Utils | libapache2-mod-fastcgi isn't available on my install. The 3 repos I have installed are mirrors.digitalocean.com/debian, security.debian.org, packages.dotdeb.org. I'm running debian 7. Any idea how I can install mod-fastcgi? |
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| 23:15.06 | jmcnaught | Utils: libapache2-mod-fastcgi is in the non-free section. There's an alternative libapache2-mod-fcgid that you could try if you'd rather not add non-free |
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| 23:19.43 | pycoderf | does rsync not copy only changed files like i thought it did? seems to be copying all the time no matter what with my cronjob |
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| 23:21.02 | Utils | Thanks very much, jmcnaught. |
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| 23:30.20 | mactimes | Hey, folks. I'm trying to do this https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid on a Samsung Galaxy Ace GT-S5830C, if I format the uSD card as ext2/3, the device won't recognize it, so I cannot follow the rest of the procedure. If I format the card on the phone, I cannot debootstrap, because it says it is mounted with noexec or nodev. Could someone, please, give me a hand on this? |
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| 23:31.30 | socomm | mactimes: Is this Android or Debian related? |
| 23:32.03 | socomm | Myabe I should read the article before asking question. |
| 23:32.53 | mactimes | socomm As per what I have just described, it seems to me to be Debian related. I've read the article, it's pretty short in fact. And I don't get your attitude. |
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| 23:37.09 | debuser | hi, i wanted to install subsonic on a plain debian 7 machine. My problem is that subsonic is not in the officiel repositorys. how could i install it? ive downloaded packages manualy already |
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| 23:41.03 | debuser | hi |
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| 23:42.36 | socomm | debuser: You've downloaded the .deb package? |
| 23:43.05 | debuser | yes, its on subsonic.org |
| 23:43.07 | socomm | debuser: if you have a .deb package you can try installing via 'dpkg -i package.deb'. |
| 23:43.26 | debuser | thak you |
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| 23:48.07 | arielsanflo | hola |
| 23:48.54 | arielsanflo | necesito saber porque mi debian jessie no me reinicia ni apaga |
| 23:49.10 | arielsanflo | alguien tiene idea |
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| 23:50.29 | socomm | arielsanflo: Hay un canal exclusivo para los usuarios que hablan espanol. |
| 23:50.33 | socomm | arielsanflo: /j #debian-es |
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