| 00:02.34 | arielsanflo | yes for whezzy |
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| 00:25.06 | Nomad145 | Why did the Debian developers decide to make the switch to Systemd? I've stood behind Debian for years and was rather surprised to find that Debian had decided to make the switch. |
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| 00:28.32 | phogg | Nomad145: lots of reasons. The debate has been covered by the press extensively and you can read the DD discussions from the mailing lists with just some quick googling |
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| 00:29.39 | phogg | Nomad145: bottom line: socket activation is too cool to not use and making it easier to maintain init scripts is a compelling advantage. IANADD, YMMV, happy reading. |
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| 00:30.02 | JordiGH | How much source code is there in Debian? |
| 00:30.22 | phogg | JordiGH: why do you ask? |
| 00:30.36 | JordiGH | I'm trying to settle a bet at a bar. |
| 00:30.43 | phogg | JordiGH: you can obtain all of the source packages and run a line of code counting tool, then you'll know |
| 00:30.54 | JordiGH | I'm saying it's far less than 8 gigabytes, other guy thinks it's more. |
| 00:30.58 | phogg | JordiGH: well, there have been some attempts to count it but IIRC not many recently |
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| 00:31.27 | phogg | JordiGH: well, what's source? Debian distributes a lot of media, as well as dictionaries, databases, etc |
| 00:31.38 | JordiGH | Say, if you download every source package. |
| 00:31.46 | JordiGH | And uncompress it. |
| 00:32.22 | phogg | JordiGH: I doubt there is an easily available count by disk usage. People normally do lines of code when measuring source, or statements, or development effort. |
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| 00:32.37 | JordiGH | Oh well, our drunken bet will remain a mystery. |
| 00:33.29 | phogg | JordiGH: you can find some stats: http://blog.james.rcpt.to/2012/02/13/debian-wheezy-us19-billion-your-price-free/ |
| 00:33.48 | phogg | JordiGH: not authoritative, of course. You can do a rough estimate of lines to bytes and sum it, probably. |
| 00:35.41 | phogg | JordiGH: I recommend you argue instead over the correct number of bytes per line (average). |
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| 00:36.04 | JordiGH | We've moved on to female anatomy. |
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| 00:46.50 | goose | how do I change my kernel? |
| 00:47.12 | JordiGH | Install a different version and pick it at boot time. |
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| 00:47.29 | goose | Right. How do I do that? Google'ing "Debian change kernel" hasn't been helpful. |
| 00:47.55 | goose | I've read that the 3.7.0-rc6 kernel fixes the issue I"m having with my 80 C CPU, so I'd like to change to that if I can figure out how |
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| 01:05.18 | LtL | goose: that doesn't look like a debian kernel |
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| 01:18.43 | tomivs | Hi |
| 01:19.00 | tomivs | How to connect to remote X server? |
| 01:19.29 | tomivs | I have a desktop computer running X server with DWM |
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| 01:20.00 | tomivs | I want to connect from another computer in my local network |
| 01:20.15 | tomivs | I want connect like VNC |
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| 01:26.39 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell tomivs about vnc |
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| 01:27.02 | Guest47796 | Is it best to use apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 01:28.23 | LtL | Guest47796: apt-get is fine for almost everything, aptitude is better for resolving conflicts etc. |
| 01:29.41 | tomivs | ctmjr: I no want to use VNC |
| 01:29.51 | tomivs | ctmjr: only using X11 |
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| 01:32.22 | ctmjr | then use ssh with X forwarding |
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| 01:33.25 | tomivs | ctmjr: I want to see all desktop environment |
| 01:33.51 | tomivs | "like VNC" |
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| 01:36.45 | Guest47796 | So apt-get for getting packages? |
| 01:37.18 | dvs | apt-get or aptitude, your choice |
| 01:37.48 | dvs | synaptic if you like GUIs |
| 01:38.11 | Guest47796 | Isn't one recommended? |
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| 01:38.31 | dvs | With Debian, you have choices. ;-) |
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| 01:39.56 | Guest47796 | Wheezy is stable? |
| 01:40.10 | dvs | Yup |
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| 01:54.53 | scottj | I just ran "apt-get source transmission-gtk" I would like to build a deb of it but with the only change being ./autogen.sh --with-gtk=2. How should I do that? |
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| 02:06.17 | scottj | maybe just add --with-gtk=2 to debian/rules override_dh_auto_configure section and then run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" ? |
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| 03:05.40 | brupha | anyone know about setting up drivers for SB X-Fi 3 sound cards? lspci is only displaying my intel audio device ... 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06) |
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| 04:33.23 | lurtz | how can i limit the output of w/who in debian? |
| 04:33.30 | lurtz | so it shows nothing at all, for regular users |
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| 04:46.22 | damngurb | yo |
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| 04:46.32 | damngurb | anyone here wanna help me rescue a broken grub install |
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| 04:51.21 | damngurb | anyone/ |
| 04:51.23 | damngurb | Its free |
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| 04:59.39 | shay_shay | Its free? |
| 05:00.03 | shay_shay | damngurb: what did you try so far |
| 05:00.53 | damngurb | shay_shay: reinstalled bootloader |
| 05:00.57 | damngurb | and reconfigured |
| 05:02.49 | shay_shay | Do you know how to boot manually? |
| 05:02.49 | shay_shay | Using recovery console |
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| 05:03.47 | damngurb | shay_shay: no |
| 05:03.47 | damngurb | :c |
| 05:03.48 | damngurb | im getting out of disk error |
| 05:07.27 | damngurb | shay_shay: ? |
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| 05:08.57 | holymoly | good morning people |
| 05:09.05 | andry | hi |
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| 05:16.04 | holymoly | yesterday somebody i don t know sent me a file which i didn't acceppted... the file is saved under AppData... name of file is http.www.gravatar.com_avatar_b227c6c2c91f7248998801b23712314a.jpg_s=512&r=g&d=identicon and the file type is JPG_S=512&R=G&D=IDENTICON-Datei (.jpg_s=512&r=g&d=identicon) |
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| 05:17.17 | damngurb | holymoly: this isn't windows |
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| 05:17.34 | andry | /home/holymoly/AppData/ :D |
| 05:17.48 | rx_ | holymoly: your computer will most likely explode ;-) |
| 05:17.50 | holymoly | yes i am sorry but i expect some nice people with it knowlege helping me :( |
| 05:18.08 | damngurb | holymoly: delete it? |
| 05:18.12 | holymoly | rx i think so to |
| 05:18.12 | damngurb | how did you even find it? |
| 05:18.24 | andry | i have a gravatar, too .. like oauth for profile pictures |
| 05:18.26 | rx_ | delete/scan your computer for viruses |
| 05:18.34 | damngurb | wat... |
| 05:18.50 | damngurb | holymoly: scan it with clamav |
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| 05:18.55 | damngurb | linux gets viruses |
| 05:19.10 | rx_ | i think hes using windows |
| 05:19.29 | nkuttler | holymoly: do you use debian? |
| 05:19.49 | damngurb | holymoly: #windows |
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| 05:20.42 | holymoly | no but debian is the os with power |
| 05:20.50 | holymoly | because the community is nice |
| 05:20.53 | phy1729 | but you aren't using debian |
| 05:21.03 | andry | not always holymoly .. |
| 05:21.04 | damngurb | holymoly: .... |
| 05:21.05 | damngurb | holymoly: leave. |
| 05:21.10 | andry | see damngurb |
| 05:21.11 | damngurb | holymoly: This support channel si for debian. |
| 05:21.14 | damngurb | Not windows. |
| 05:21.21 | damngurb | go ask #windows for help |
| 05:21.22 | holymoly | no i am using widows like i said but expect some people with expert knowlege here |
| 05:21.32 | damngurb | holymoly: we are experts in Linux |
| 05:21.33 | damngurb | not windows. |
| 05:21.36 | damngurb | #windows |
| 05:21.48 | damngurb | thats like going to a nuclear technition to have your car fixed |
| 05:22.04 | holymoly | hehe |
| 05:22.07 | nkuttler | !ops holymoly trolling |
| 05:22.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: holymoly trolling |
| 05:22.19 | damngurb | holymoly: leave. |
| 05:22.20 | damngurb | now. |
| 05:22.36 | andry | damngurb, stop talking like that |
| 05:23.07 | damngurb | andry: no. |
| 05:23.23 | damngurb | I should reinstall debian. my crunchbang install is fucked |
| 05:23.38 | holymoly | i am using debian to |
| 05:23.40 | damngurb | andry: can I install debian with openbox as the default dm |
| 05:23.46 | holymoly | so i stay |
| 05:23.48 | damngurb | holymoly: go to #windows for help and stop lying. |
| 05:23.59 | andry | just ignore him, holymoly |
| 05:24.06 | damngurb | holymoly: Then do not ask for windows support, this channel is for Debian support |
| 05:24.10 | damngurb | andry: really? |
| 05:24.30 | damngurb | !ops andry supporting obvious trolls |
| 05:24.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: damngurb complains about: andry supporting obvious trolls |
| 05:24.46 | nkuttler | damngurb: no need to spam the ops |
| 05:24.51 | phy1729 | ^ |
| 05:25.03 | damngurb | I only alerted once |
| 05:25.04 | damngurb | >_> |
| 05:25.18 | damngurb | nkuttler: question |
| 05:25.31 | damngurb | Openbox is one of the supported alternative enviroments in the debian installer right? |
| 05:26.01 | nkuttler | i don't even know what an "alternative environment" is |
| 05:26.08 | damngurb | It's under the installer GUI |
| 05:26.14 | damngurb | it lets you install LXDE XFCE |
| 05:26.17 | nkuttler | i have never used an installer gui |
| 05:26.20 | damngurb | oh |
| 05:26.26 | damngurb | you're a mad man. |
| 05:26.34 | damngurb | You can set the desktop enviroment to be installed from grub though |
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| 05:26.53 | nkuttler | no, grub doesn't install software |
| 05:27.06 | damngurb | I never said it does |
| 05:27.15 | nkuttler | gives up |
| 05:27.17 | damngurb | ... |
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| 05:27.26 | damngurb | You choose the enviroment when booting into the intstaller |
| 05:27.33 | damngurb | Ubuntu has a similar dialog on the grub menu |
| 05:27.35 | nkuttler | well, that makes sene |
| 05:27.36 | andry | he means like adding desktop=lxde to the boot parameter |
| 05:27.37 | nkuttler | sense |
| 05:27.41 | damngurb | All it does is add the desktop enviroment you want to the end of kernel options |
| 05:28.06 | nkuttler | i never install anything gui-related during the install |
| 05:28.11 | damngurb | why? |
| 05:28.25 | andry | why not? depends on your needs. |
| 05:28.33 | damngurb | true |
| 05:28.34 | nkuttler | damngurb: i don't like to |
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| 05:28.49 | damngurb | the one thing I wish linux would get one day is a good looking GUI that doesn't rely on x11 |
| 05:28.55 | nkuttler | and for testing/sid installs it doesn't make sense anyway |
| 05:29.25 | damngurb | >wayland |
| 05:29.26 | damngurb | s |
| 05:29.35 | nkuttler | just use android then |
| 05:29.38 | damngurb | I wonder how long until an admin bans me for mentioning waylands. |
| 05:29.53 | damngurb | Android is ugly unless you use AOSP |
| 05:29.54 | nkuttler | damngurb: trolling much? weston is in debian |
| 05:30.02 | damngurb | nkuttler: you didn't get the joke. |
| 05:30.18 | damngurb | most people dont' give a crap about weston because "muh x11!!!" |
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| 05:30.30 | nkuttler | it's only a joke when it's funny.. |
| 05:30.36 | damngurb | it's always a joke |
| 05:30.40 | damngurb | it doesn't have to be funny |
| 05:31.00 | themill | damngurb: perhaps you were looking for some other channel to play in? |
| 05:31.11 | damngurb | no. |
| 05:31.28 | damngurb | Anyways back to the reason I'm here |
| 05:31.35 | damngurb | Is anyone here a grub2 wizard? |
| 05:31.52 | themill | How about you ask your real question and stick to that. |
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| 05:32.18 | damngurb | I did ask it. |
| 05:32.39 | damngurb | Does anyone know how to recover from "error: out of disk" with grub2. |
| 05:32.43 | rx_ | cinnamon+wayland.. that would be great |
| 05:32.49 | themill | and then you spewed forth so much nonsense that no-one could find your question. |
| 05:32.52 | damngurb | I've already tried reinstalling grub and running grub2-update |
| 05:33.01 | damngurb | It sat there for a good 10 mins with no one answering. |
| 05:33.36 | themill | with an imprecise error message and no description of what or how. If you want help, you need to make it possible to be helped. |
| 05:33.40 | damngurb | but to the question at hand, does anyone know how to recover a grub2 install that refuses to work |
| 05:34.18 | damngurb | themill: you realize that grub2 errors aren't very descriptive right? A quick google search reveals this error could mean many things from a bad config file to the MBR being full of crap or too big / small |
| 05:34.28 | damngurb | I'd provide a better error if grub gave one |
| 05:34.58 | themill | Sure, but that doesn't stop you from providing the exact error or some context. |
| 05:35.06 | damngurb | That's the exact error |
| 05:35.13 | damngurb | "error: out of disk" when grub goes to boot |
| 05:35.23 | themill | that's not what you said the first time though... |
| 05:35.25 | themill | ffs |
| 05:35.34 | damngurb | It drops me into a recovery shell after that and if I try insmod linux.mod it says 'error: out of disk" |
| 05:35.51 | damngurb | it is. |
| 05:35.58 | damngurb | All I did is give context this time |
| 05:36.22 | themill | [15:03] <damngurb> im getting out of disk error |
| 05:36.30 | themill | yay. real exact. |
| 05:36.30 | damngurb | That's the rror |
| 05:36.32 | damngurb | error |
| 05:37.02 | damngurb | "GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: out of disk. Entering recuse mode.... grub rescue>" |
| 05:37.07 | themill | are you really telling me that you see no difference between 'error: out of disk' and 'out of disk error' and that we might actually need that information to help you? |
| 05:37.49 | damngurb | I mentioned it's with grub and grub doesn't have that many errors to go through |
| 05:37.54 | andry | did it work before? did an update break that? |
| 05:38.08 | damngurb | I just installed and it broke |
| 05:38.26 | themill | damngurb: sure, I clearly know all of them and I won't spend time going and looking things up for you as well. Good luck! |
| 05:38.49 | damngurb | themill: A quick Google search reveals this is a widespread problem amung many distros |
| 05:39.20 | themill | damngurb: a careful google search with the exact error and not some paraphrased version of it is more likely to come up with something useful. |
| 05:39.34 | damngurb | themill: followed a guide from both searches |
| 05:39.38 | themill | did you create a separate /boot? |
| 05:39.39 | damngurb | Same results |
| 05:39.41 | damngurb | no |
| 05:39.48 | themill | so do so. |
| 05:39.54 | damngurb | I used to "put all files in one partition" option |
| 05:40.22 | damngurb | themill: if this fixes it, I'm donating $10 to the debian foundation |
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| 05:40.44 | damngurb | themill: It seriously can't be this simple of a problem. |
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| 05:41.16 | damngurb | actually themill, if this works I'll send you $10 directly on paypal. |
| 05:41.27 | damngurb | It seriously can't be this simple of an issue. |
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| 05:44.26 | damngurb | Is there any method like on windows with .exe's to install software on debian? |
| 05:44.41 | damngurb | As in is there any way to make it as simple as double clicking a file to install it? |
| 05:44.41 | rx_ | apt |
| 05:45.06 | damngurb | I've only used apt so far, I mean litterally like a .exe kinda simplicity |
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| 05:45.15 | andry | deb files? |
| 05:45.16 | rx_ | actually its even easier because you dont have to download software yourself... it downloads it for you |
| 05:45.21 | rx_ | like an app store |
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| 05:45.38 | rx_ | aptitude (console) and synaptics (gui) will do that for you |
| 05:45.55 | damngurb | I know... |
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| 05:46.04 | damngurb | but for packages not in apt. |
| 05:46.22 | rx_ | thats really rare... |
| 05:46.24 | themill | gdebi, but you're better off using apt rather than random crap downloaded from other websites |
| 05:46.40 | rx_ | in that case, try to find .deb on the web or compile from source |
| 05:46.56 | damngurb | themill: I'm at the format screen |
| 05:47.06 | andry | vmware, nvidia and intel offer this kind of installers .. :P but why would you do this? mostly these installers even install some stuff via apt, yum, yast whatever |
| 05:47.12 | damngurb | I have the options of guides, guided with lvm, guided with encrypted lvm, and manual |
| 05:47.53 | damngurb | guided - use entire disk* |
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| 05:48.37 | rx_ | if you dont have other oses... |
| 05:48.38 | rx_ | heh |
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| 05:48.55 | damngurb | <All files in one partition? |
| 05:50.24 | rx_ | u need 2 at least |
| 05:50.44 | andry | No |
| 05:50.46 | damngurb | there's no option for a seperate /boot partition. |
| 05:50.46 | rx_ | : / and swap |
| 05:50.50 | damngurb | yea |
| 05:51.03 | damngurb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.36 | rx_ | make sure u install grub to mbr not partition.... and that u use primary parts or logical parts u created from linux |
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| 05:52.44 | damngurb | yea |
| 05:53.17 | rx_ | "created from linux" applies only to logical parts |
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| 05:57.47 | damngurb | same error as before. |
| 05:57.58 | damngurb | again grub with this laptop is a tempermental mes. |
| 05:58.00 | damngurb | mess* |
| 05:58.40 | damngurb | well this is a problem. I can't make another bootable USB |
| 05:58.49 | damngurb | I have no machine that can do it. |
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| 06:01.06 | damngurb | I can't figure out how to use my usb otg cable to write a usb with my droid phone |
| 06:01.11 | damngurb | so this is awkwar.d |
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| 06:01.54 | rx_ | no cd ? |
| 06:02.30 | damngurb | nope |
| 06:02.43 | damngurb | The computer I'm on right now is a chromebook |
| 06:02.48 | damngurb | and I'm not putting it into developer mode |
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| 06:03.20 | rx_ | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook |
| 06:03.24 | rx_ | read that right? |
| 06:03.35 | damngurb | this isn't the samsung one, and yes |
| 06:03.50 | damngurb | This machine was running crunchbang natively for a bit until I said fuck it and went back to chromeos |
| 06:03.51 | rx_ | okay |
| 06:03.58 | damngurb | That experience was horrible. |
| 06:04.10 | damngurb | Almost everything in this machine is broken when not running chrome os. |
| 06:04.33 | rx_ | heh |
| 06:04.43 | damngurb | welcome to the world of chromebooks. |
| 06:05.06 | damngurb | everyone wants to bring their distro to chromebooks but doesn't want to take drivers from their kernel tree. |
| 06:05.21 | damngurb | 'OPENSOURCE DRIVERS!!!!1!111!'... |
| 06:05.32 | damngurb | (Chromebooks have opensource drivers that work amazingly) |
| 06:06.27 | rx_ | i have 0 experience with such device |
| 06:06.49 | damngurb | as do most people |
| 06:07.00 | damngurb | chromebooks from a hacking perspective are an intimidating device |
| 06:07.16 | damngurb | Google thought from the ground up about security. |
| 06:07.33 | damngurb | down to adding a TPM just to authenticate your machine |
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| 06:08.11 | rx_ | hehe |
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| 06:08.18 | rx_ | locks you in |
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| 06:09.15 | damngurb | I prefer a locked down platform to a open one like lInux |
| 06:09.27 | damngurb | Locked down platforms just work better. But then you can't tinker under the hood. |
| 06:09.35 | rx_ | uh? |
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| 06:09.45 | damngurb | I have to make tradeoffs with every OS I want to use |
| 06:09.57 | damngurb | I want a nice seamless experience where I can tinker under the hood |
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| 06:10.28 | lurtz | how can i limit the output of w/who in debian? |
| 06:10.31 | lurtz | so it shows nothing at all, for regular users |
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| 06:11.22 | waressearcher2 | I have 23 processes "[lynx] <defunct>" and they consume 30% of my RAM its 300MB, how to remove them ? they seem like zombie and I tryed to use "kill -s SIGCHILD parentID" but it doesn't work, how to solve it without rebooting ? |
| 06:11.49 | damngurb | lurtz: change who's owner group |
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| 06:11.57 | woshty | lurtz: They could still just take a look at running processes. |
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| 06:12.05 | damngurb | lurtz: make it so only the root group has permissions to run it |
| 06:13.05 | damngurb | lurtz: I'd ask rx_ how to change the permissions if you want it done right |
| 06:13.14 | damngurb | I am not good at permissions. |
| 06:14.49 | BlueEagle | waressearcher2: Are all your lynx processes defunct, or do you want to save some of them? |
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| 06:16.23 | BlueEagle | waressearcher2: `killall lynx` run as root or with sigterm should clean them up. Do note that terminating processes that are in the middle of something might not be a good idea. |
| 06:16.32 | damngurb | can anyone point me to a web based bittorent client |
| 06:16.40 | damngurb | I don't want to spend a few hours downloading debian. |
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| 06:18.20 | BlueEagle | damngurb: So you have a webserver, and you would like to administer a bittorrent client from it? |
| 06:18.22 | waressearcher2 | BlueEagle: they are all childs of normal lynx processes, I don't want to kill normal ones, I have dozens lynx open with web sites in screen and some of them have these "[lynx] <defunct>", so I want to get rid of those "defunct" ones |
| 06:18.39 | Dr-Shadow | I asked yesterday but I had to afk and I got no real answer |
| 06:18.52 | Dr-Shadow | Is there some say to get a netboot image with custom kernel ? |
| 06:19.08 | damngurb | BlueEagle: no |
| 06:19.12 | BlueEagle | waressearcher2: Do you know where they came from? Pop-ups perhaps? |
| 06:19.18 | damngurb | Just a html bittorrent client |
| 06:19.28 | damngurb | downloading debian from the servers directly is slow as balls |
| 06:19.35 | Dr-Shadow | I want to build kali netboot with a custom kernel + firmwares for network card and others |
| 06:19.47 | waressearcher2 | BlueEagle: no |
| 06:19.58 | Dr-Shadow | I injected firmwares succesfully but kernel doesn't have latest drivers I think because it failed to load wireless drivers |
| 06:19.58 | BlueEagle | damngurb: I do not see where html comes into the picture here. |
| 06:20.07 | BlueEagle | waressearcher2: No you do not know, or no they are not pup-ups? |
| 06:20.11 | damngurb | BlueEagle: there's clients that are web apps |
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| 06:20.50 | BlueEagle | damngurb: And they run on web servers, do they not, or are you looking for a java bittorrent client, because I am pretty sure you cannot do a bittorrent client in html. |
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| 06:21.07 | damngurb | BlueEagle: no and no |
| 06:21.08 | damngurb | And yes |
| 06:21.33 | BlueEagle | damngurb: Wow. You would have to show me one for me to believe that. |
| 06:22.02 | BlueEagle | damngurb: Well, maybe you could do that in Javascript, but letting javascript write to disk is dubious at best. |
| 06:22.07 | damngurb | http://btappjs.com/ |
| 06:22.32 | damngurb | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jstorrent/anhdpjpojoipgpmfanmedjghaligalgb?hl=en |
| 06:22.37 | damngurb | Then there's taht bag of dicks |
| 06:22.46 | damngurb | he's selling software based on someone elses library. |
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| 06:23.43 | BlueEagle | damngurb: I will ask you to please mind your !language. |
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| 06:24.00 | waressearcher2 | BlueEagle: I don't know what are they, they just accumulated over time, my system has 135 days uptime, and there is only one "screen" run on it with 90 bash consoles and I have 30 lynx processes and 24 <defunc> lynx processes, the total RAM is 1GB, initially when I booted that system I had more than 900MB free but little by little I 680MB maximum |
| 06:24.02 | BlueEagle | ...and that is javascript. |
| 06:24.03 | damngurb | Ok, a bag of penises. |
| 06:24.05 | waressearcher2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.11 | damngurb | BlueEagle: yes. |
| 06:24.15 | damngurb | http://torque.bittorrent.com/oneclick/ |
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| 06:24.36 | damngurb | and google disabled their ability to install extenstions |
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| 06:25.21 | BlueEagle | damngurb: I do not see why you need us, when you have those resources. |
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| 06:25.35 | damngurb | BlueEagle: I am still trying to find a client |
| 06:25.38 | damngurb | to download debian |
| 06:25.39 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats the best way to install vmware on debian? |
| 06:25.48 | damngurb | no_gravity: apt-get install vmware? |
| 06:25.49 | damngurb | :p |
| 06:26.09 | damngurb | no_gravity: Out of all seriousness, why not openbox? |
| 06:26.11 | Dr-Shadow | Where should I find better replies for netboot ? |
| 06:26.13 | damngurb | It can play vmware images. |
| 06:26.20 | BlueEagle | no_gravity: I do belive that vmware distributes a .deb for vmware player, if that is what you are looking for. |
| 06:26.28 | no_gravity | damngurb: vmware is in the repos? |
| 06:26.43 | damngurb | no_gravity: no, why not virtual box? |
| 06:27.05 | BlueEagle | damngurb: If that is the approach, why not a regular bit-torrent client? |
| 06:27.14 | damngurb | BlueEagle: Chrome OS |
| 06:27.37 | no_gravity | damngurb: i have no clue which vm. i just want to run windows in the machine. |
| 06:27.46 | damngurb | no_gravity: apt-get install virtualbox |
| 06:27.51 | no_gravity | damngurb: ok |
| 06:28.00 | damngurb | It's easier than installing Vmware and it's open source. |
| 06:28.05 | damngurb | It can also play vmware images. |
| 06:28.54 | BlueEagle | damngurb: By the way, depending on your line you could probably have downloaded the mini install image by now. ;) |
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| 06:29.11 | damngurb | BlueEagle: nope. |
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| 06:29.21 | damngurb | amazingly Bell makes that slow |
| 06:29.23 | no_gravity | damngurb: i installed it... but i cannot find it in the main menu... |
| 06:30.33 | no_gravity | damngurb: trying to start it from the shell i get:The program 'virtualbox' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 06:30.36 | no_gravity | apt-get install virtualbox-qt |
| 06:30.40 | damngurb | no_gravity: I can't remember where it's placed, but you can type virtualbox |
| 06:30.51 | damngurb | weird |
| 06:31.28 | damngurb | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 06:31.31 | damngurb | no_gravity: |
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| 06:31.41 | damngurb | ima sleep now |
| 06:32.00 | no_gravity | damngurb: ok :) I just woke up... |
| 06:32.00 | BlueEagle | Good night, damngurb. |
| 06:32.07 | Dr-Shadow | VirtualBox ? |
| 06:32.08 | Dr-Shadow | try |
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| 06:32.48 | Dr-Shadow | *sigh* |
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| 06:35.27 | no_gravity | Dr-Shadow: ? |
| 06:36.02 | Dr-Shadow | There is virtualbox and VirtualBox for command line |
| 06:36.03 | lurtz | rx_: heard you was the man to talk to if one wants to limit output from w/who etc for regular users |
| 06:36.20 | Dr-Shadow | But I don't remember and they are really different or not |
| 06:36.24 | Dr-Shadow | if* |
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| 06:36.43 | Dr-Shadow | I wonder if I can find a netinstall image with latest kernel |
| 06:37.01 | Dr-Shadow | I don't care if it's Ubuntu or Debian or anything else |
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| 06:45.00 | alhadi | hi |
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| 06:45.08 | alhadi | do u give squid support |
| 06:45.09 | alhadi | ? |
| 06:45.15 | alhadi | i have debian 7 install |
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| 06:48.03 | woshty | What good browser alternatives are currently available other than cromium and iceweasel? |
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| 06:49.44 | beepie | there a way to use just ip commands (not using /etc/network/interfaces) with a startup script with jessie? (the method I used prior worked on wheezy) |
| 06:49.55 | dalias | netsurf looks promising but not there yet |
| 06:50.16 | dalias | some ppl apparently still use opera (non-free) |
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| 06:51.09 | alhadi | woshty: |
| 06:51.15 | alhadi | chrome |
| 06:51.21 | alhadi | is what i have in my debian 7 |
| 06:51.21 | nkuttler | woshty: what don't you like about those? |
| 06:51.26 | woshty | dalias: I have issues with (most likely js) iceweasel completely saturating on core. |
| 06:51.28 | nkuttler | alhadi: no, you don't |
| 06:51.43 | alhadi | i am not talking to you |
| 06:51.47 | nkuttler | woshty: that sounds like an app/site-level problem |
| 06:52.02 | alhadi | iceweasel sucks |
| 06:52.05 | Dr-Shadow | Oh I got netinstall image boot with ethernet firmware ! |
| 06:52.06 | alhadi | ^^ |
| 06:52.08 | nkuttler | alhadi: chrome is not in debian, you might have installed it from a third party repo |
| 06:52.16 | alhadi | yes |
| 06:52.19 | Dr-Shadow | I would like to customize kernel in netboot now :/ |
| 06:52.22 | alhadi | i enbaled 3rd party |
| 06:52.25 | woshty | nkuttler: yeah, but it has gotten much worse lately |
| 06:52.27 | alhadi | to allow chrome install |
| 06:52.29 | Dr-Shadow | wireless driver are probably too old |
| 06:52.37 | dalias | chromium (or chrome from google's repo) is probably a better choice than iceweasel |
| 06:52.43 | alhadi | ^^ |
| 06:52.45 | alhadi | yes |
| 06:52.45 | sandman13 | alhadi: what makes you think that iceweasel sucks? |
| 06:52.48 | nkuttler | woshty: well, what did change lately? |
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| 06:53.00 | alhadi | sandman13: most of the sites does not work |
| 06:53.05 | alhadi | either plugin issue |
| 06:53.07 | sandman13 | alhadi: like? |
| 06:53.09 | alhadi | or slow |
| 06:53.32 | alhadi | like gulfnews.com the ads keep on moving and i dont have a way to fix it |
| 06:53.43 | themill | Install adblock and don't see them... |
| 06:53.54 | alhadi | adblock? |
| 06:53.56 | nkuttler | woshty: considering chromium and iceweasel have different js engine, if you're having problems with both it's not a browser issue |
| 06:54.02 | woshty | nkuttler: no clue, most likely they "fixed" some performance issue that does not scale well over too many tabs. It all is nice and fast if I have a normal-user amount of tabs open |
| 06:54.02 | alhadi | is that a new plugin? |
| 06:54.24 | alhadi | i can install it |
| 06:55.00 | woshty | nkuttler: Nope, I am using chromium for testing purposes only .. more like emotional issues with that. My problem only happen with iceweasel. |
| 06:55.01 | alhadi | i am using debian 7 for squid |
| 06:55.13 | nkuttler | woshty: i see |
| 06:55.53 | sandman13 | alhadi: let me send you the screenshot of the site that you have mentioned |
| 06:55.58 | alhadi | ok |
| 06:56.07 | alhadi | ty |
| 06:56.19 | beepie | anyone not into iproute2 here? |
| 06:56.32 | nkuttler | woshty: search for other webkit-based browsers i guess. or khtml |
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| 06:56.48 | themill | woshty: Too many tabs open is always going to be a problem and that's not going to magically change with a different browser. That said, I think I have about 400 tabs open in iceweasel right now (although not all will be active). |
| 06:56.54 | sandman13 | alhadi: http://i.imgur.com/aFJe0E7.png here, adblock enabled |
| 06:57.42 | alhadi | cool |
| 06:57.43 | woshty | themill: but it really got bad lately. Either some often used libs did change or the browser did. I would not be able to run out of ram now, which I usually did :) |
| 06:57.56 | themill | woshty: which version of iceweasel is this? |
| 06:58.34 | woshty | themill: 31.0 |
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| 06:58.51 | nkuttler | ,v iceweasel |
| 06:58.52 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.0-3; sid: 31.0-3; experimental: 32.0~b5-1 |
| 06:59.00 | nkuttler | yeah, well, if you run testing.. |
| 06:59.04 | themill | It no longer allocates everything for a tab that's not been activated yet (after a restart) and that dramatically improves the memory performance |
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| 06:59.25 | themill | nkuttler: well, I'd suggest a wheezy user grab iceweasel 31 from mozilla.debian.net so ... |
| 06:59.31 | nkuttler | themill: heh.. |
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| 07:00.28 | woshty | nkuttler: yeah, mozilla.debian.net on stable |
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| 07:01.36 | woshty | themill: yeah, that is what I have been doing lately, but that is a not so nice approach just restarting regularly. I will give chromium a try. |
| 07:02.11 | YamakasY | I'm really going to hate preseed! |
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| 07:02.29 | YamakasY | why is there a bug that overwrites the interfaces file every time ? |
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| 07:02.45 | nkuttler | YamakasY: because you didn't submit a patch yet? |
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| 07:02.54 | woshty | Thanks. |
| 07:03.20 | sandman13 | wait, you can get iceweasel 30 on Wheezy too. |
| 07:03.29 | YamakasY | nkuttler: is there one ? |
| 07:03.39 | YamakasY | is on Ubuntu to be honest |
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| 07:05.32 | YamakasY | nkuttler: I never seen any patch for it actually |
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| 07:07.10 | nkuttler | YamakasY: well, off to #ubuntu then |
| 07:07.42 | YamakasY | nkuttler: no because it;s the same on Debian :) |
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| 07:08.11 | nkuttler | !ubuntu |
| 07:08.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 07:08.48 | YamakasY | nkuttler: no but have seen the same questions around for Debian, so it's really the same issue |
| 07:09.02 | YamakasY | nkuttler: which patch do you talk about for Debian than ? |
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| 07:17.05 | dadonp | Just installed mumble-django, added the wsgi, but some exception occurs in the wsgi script, all I get is "exception has occurred" in the apache logs, where do I get the full exception output? |
| 07:18.13 | bogus- | YamakasY: a patch you're going to write to fix your bug I guess |
| 07:19.03 | YamakasY | bogus-: it's not know where it exists, that's the issue |
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| 07:19.03 | bogus- | I guessed ;-) |
| 07:19.10 | YamakasY | hehe |
| 07:20.39 | bogus- | but if you need a patch for ubuntu, indeed try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-nl |
| 07:22.37 | YamakasY | yeah no clues there |
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| 07:25.56 | ChrisH | sylar: fixed your yesterday lp issue? |
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| 07:28.03 | BlueEagle | YamakasY: Accordign to what I read the bug resides with netcfg. Please look up the bug reports filed against it since 2013 (yes, it is an old issue) to see if it has been addressed. |
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| 07:30.33 | antivirtel | hello all! can someone help me, how to link an rTorrent XMLRPC socket to an other location? I just want it temporary, until the root moves to the new location - but he's on holiday right now |
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| 07:31.11 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: there is some "late_command" workaround (which doesn't work with most people) but nothing ever done about the bug |
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| 07:32.24 | BlueEagle | YamakasY: If you feel inspired you could get the source code for netcfg and fix the issue yourself. If not it is just a matter of nagging about it until you either get ignored completely or the issue is addressed. |
| 07:33.24 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: nah, what I don't get is that lots of people should have this, or they have single nic servers only, which I doubt |
| 07:33.47 | BlueEagle | !ot |
| 07:33.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 07:35.18 | Dr-Shadow | Is there a way to build a custom kernel for a netinstall image ? Can I replace kernel directly ? (initrd depends on kernel version right ?) |
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| 07:35.58 | Dr-Shadow | I have a pxe setup and I modified initrd to get some firmwares for network cards, it works fine for ethernet but wireless driver is probably too old |
| 07:37.41 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: I use Debian too, same issue |
| 07:37.48 | BlueEagle | Dr-Shadow: according to https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkFAQ it is possible, but it does not describe how. |
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| 07:38.35 | BlueEagle | YamakasY: It is still an issue with NetCfg. |
| 07:39.17 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: it is |
| 07:39.32 | BlueEagle | YamakasY: http://sourceforge.net/projects/netcfg/support is the correct forum for this issue. |
| 07:39.39 | Dr-Shadow | BlueEagle: yup I need docs... |
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| 07:41.39 | UukGoblin | is there a way to revert an apt-get install (that upgraded/removed a lot of packages)? |
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| 07:42.30 | BlueEagle | Dr-Shadow: does http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=261842%23p261842 help at all? |
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| 07:43.14 | Abhijit_ | how to skip the cd mounting step when doing debian dvd 1 .iso pxe installation? |
| 07:43.20 | Dr-Shadow | BlueEagle: this is for customizing scripts not for replacing kernel |
| 07:43.36 | BlueEagle | UukGoblin: A remove will uninstall the package. If you follow that with an autoremove then you will remove all orphaned dependencies, however you would still need to identify the missing files that were uninstalled in the process. |
| 07:43.45 | BlueEagle | Dr-Shadow: Sorry, then I do not know. |
| 07:43.56 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: there is some option when you boot debian installation |
| 07:45.03 | UukGoblin | BlueEagle, it won't downgrade all the dependencies though, and it won't re-install the things that got removed |
| 07:45.04 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: but I think you will have to map the data to /media/cdrom something like that |
| 07:45.12 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: Go in expert mode maybe ? |
| 07:45.39 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, it does not show me option for export mode. directly boots. |
| 07:45.55 | Dr-Shadow | Oh |
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| 07:46.02 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, it do not allow mo do anything until i select cd rom drive |
| 07:46.27 | BlueEagle | UukGoblin: I see nothing in the docs to allow for this. Next time, try a simulation before doing an upgrade in order to avoid suprises. |
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| 07:47.07 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: you don't get this ? |
| 07:47.16 | Abhijit_ | what? |
| 07:47.21 | UukGoblin | BlueEagle, cheers :s |
| 07:47.29 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Wheezy/Installation?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Installer_advanced_options_a.png sorry |
| 07:47.40 | UukGoblin | was just an install with an accidentall 'y', not an upgrade |
| 07:47.41 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: in advanced options |
| 07:47.46 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, no. |
| 07:47.52 | BlueEagle | UukGoblin: Sorry that I cannot be of more help. One of the bad (or good if you wish) things about Linux is that it is perfectly allowable to break your system. |
| 07:48.05 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, even i dont get the screen which comes "before" this. |
| 07:48.58 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: What is your pxe config ? |
| 07:49.07 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, i am using cobbler to install debian. |
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| 07:49.23 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, what info you actually need? |
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| 07:50.14 | Dr-Shadow | Ah I don't use cobbler |
| 07:50.14 | Dr-Shadow | The fact is it boots installer directly |
| 07:50.14 | Dr-Shadow | Did you try to map data with another terminal ? |
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| 07:51.54 | sylar | ChrisH, yes, it was some hanged dbus process. I killed all the user's process, and he got his printers shown |
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| 07:52.44 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: something like this ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Import |
| 07:52.58 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, another terminal? means? cobbler uses tftp only for pxebooting. cobbler only gives profiling features. |
| 07:53.16 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, ubuntu? why i need ubuntu link? i already imported. no issue with importing. |
| 07:54.00 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, i am talking about "Debian asking for CD". how can i avoid it? |
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| 07:54.17 | Dr-Shadow | I know, I understood but cobbler isn't modifying iso to remove/fix cd check ? |
| 07:54.27 | Dr-Shadow | when importing |
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| 07:55.39 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, no. it is not. |
| 07:56.10 | ChrisH | sylar: cool. so a reboot might have fixed it too :) But this is not the windows hotline standard answer: 3R = _R_rety, _R_reboot, _R_einstall :) |
| 07:56.16 | Dr-Shadow | https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/issues/588 |
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| 07:57.34 | sylar | ChrisH, indeed \: |
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| 07:58.50 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, so debian do not include netboot files by default. how can i now combine my debian cd image data with netboot data? |
| 07:58.55 | sylar | ChrisH, btw, I did logout that user from the account , but the hanged process remained running even after the logout |
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| 08:00.40 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: thanks! |
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| 08:01.37 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: I don't know since I don't use clobber and I don't have this problem |
| 08:01.38 | YamakasY | BlueEagle: btw.. that is the UI |
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| 08:02.27 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, please ... this is debian issue. i need to combine debian netboot data with debian cd iso data. dont just blame it on cobbler and save face of debian. cobbbler is not supposed to manage iso or modify them |
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| 08:02.29 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: http://blog.friocorte.com/presentation-storage/cobbler/commands.mark ? |
| 08:02.52 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, forget about cobbbler. assume i am doing plain pxe and then tell me what can i do. |
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| 08:04.09 | themill | I did that the other day... |
| 08:04.09 | Dr-Shadow | Abhijit_: cobbler is supposed to manage distros when importing |
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| 08:04.26 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, what did he put in /media/dvd ? |
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| 08:04.42 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, cobbler works out of box with centos and ubuntu. its debian issue |
| 08:05.04 | Abhijit_ | Dr-Shadow, he does not talk about what he put in /media/dvd. |
| 08:05.19 | Dr-Shadow | Just read |
| 08:05.19 | Dr-Shadow | "import Debian 5.0.0 dvd" |
| 08:05.27 | Abhijit_ | ok |
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| 08:15.49 | andry | r4co0n? :P |
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| 08:18.09 | r4co0n | andry, do you have a jessie install with gnome and can check grep .destkop /etc/gnome/defaults.list ? |
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| 08:22.01 | andry | like this? :D https://github.com/Antergos/antergos-packages/blob/master/gnome-defaults-list/defaults.list |
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| 08:22.32 | andry | but yes, that is a typo |
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| 08:24.47 | andry | gnome-session-common: /etc/gnome/defaults.list @ r420r |
| 08:24.49 | andry | gnome-session-common: /etc/gnome/defaults.list @ r420r r4co0n |
| 08:24.52 | andry | meh, sorry |
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| 08:26.23 | andry | you can report that here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-session-common;dist=testing |
| 08:27.38 | andry | (if you dont want to just tell me .. i will do it then :) ) |
| 08:28.04 | r4co0n | andry, was already on the bugs site and checking for existing reports, thx for your clarification and the link. I will report it, it's a matter of a minute |
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| 08:29.25 | andry | didnt find anything :) you? |
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| 08:36.53 | krion | hey guys |
| 08:37.01 | krion | i'm looking for sort of a bug |
| 08:37.32 | krion | i've rebooted plenty of server and got a route added on /8, for dummy0 interface |
| 08:37.49 | krion | but my subnet is correctly set in network/interfaces |
| 08:37.59 | krion | try to search the bugs.debian.org with no luck |
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| 08:41.11 | woshty | I am looking for a list of modification I might want to make to the stock debian kernel config for desktop use. Is there something like that? |
| 08:42.27 | YamakasY | is it possible to run a script before the networkcards are brought up ? |
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| 08:42.56 | andry | yes, YamakasY |
| 08:43.03 | YamakasY | andry: kewl tell me :) |
| 08:43.08 | nkuttler | YamakasY: same as on ubuntu |
| 08:43.10 | andry | in network/interfaces: pre-up some-magic |
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| 08:43.25 | andry | after up, just "up" :) |
| 08:43.36 | YamakasY | so we need the interfaces file again ? |
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| 08:43.56 | andry | yes, do you use network manager or sth? |
| 08:43.59 | YamakasY | which causes the problem |
| 08:44.02 | YamakasY | network manager |
| 08:44.05 | andry | what do you need to do? |
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| 08:44.28 | YamakasY | andry: there is a bug in netcfg that overwrites the interfaces file after a reboot |
| 08:44.37 | babilen | Bug number? |
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| 08:45.02 | YamakasY | babilen: I filed it only at Ubuntu at the moment but I see it on Debian too in my tests |
| 08:45.18 | babilen | Still |
| 08:45.24 | YamakasY | babilen: there is one for Debian from 2013 |
| 08:45.28 | YamakasY | juts a sec |
| 08:45.33 | andry | you may try +a (?) attribute |
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| 08:45.37 | andry | or was it +i? |
| 08:45.45 | babilen | You are thinking of +i |
| 08:45.49 | andry | thanks :) |
| 08:45.51 | YamakasY | http://osdir.com/ml/debian-boot/2014-03/msg00242.html |
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| 08:46.45 | babilen | YamakasY: So, does the patch help? |
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| 08:47.09 | andry | does this get called by network manager? /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
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| 08:47.28 | YamakasY | babilen: the issue is, how am I going to apply the patch to the netinstaller iso ? |
| 08:47.30 | andry | you could use this then |
| 08:48.19 | YamakasY | andry: yes that might be an idea, I have now all my ethX configs in interfaces.d |
| 08:48.32 | babilen | YamakasY: I don't build the images, but it shouldn't be too hard. You might want to ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net for instructions (if active they can probably tell you right away or you can give me some time to investigate/investigate yourself) |
| 08:48.50 | babilen | Either way I'd bring it up in #d-boot so that the bug can get fixed |
| 08:49.08 | babilen | And please make them aware of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709017 once more |
| 08:49.13 | YamakasY | babilen: will connect there, why are they on oftc ? |
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| 08:49.28 | babilen | #debian-boot is the channel I mentioned |
| 08:49.31 | YamakasY | babilen: yes it's quite an issue on a 200+ server deploy :) |
| 08:49.47 | YamakasY | babilen: yes but this is freenode |
| 08:49.52 | babilen | indeed |
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| 08:49.58 | YamakasY | why is that one on oftc than ? |
| 08:50.00 | sobersabre | hi guys. I've got a weird audio strangeness. I can't get low volume levels: when I'm below ~30% volume drops to 0. |
| 08:50.08 | babilen | YamakasY: All official channels are on OFTC |
| 08:50.10 | sobersabre | I'm using gnomeshell, pulse audio. |
| 08:50.18 | YamakasY | sobersabre: that because you became deaf :D |
| 08:50.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell YamakasY -about oftc move |
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| 08:50.40 | sobersabre | haha. it drops in a step function, not fading. so ... |
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| 08:51.17 | sobersabre | it probably has to do with alsa-pulse interaction or some vol down step... |
| 08:51.24 | YamakasY | sobersabre: I have seen that years ago too... cannot help there now as I'm in W8 again |
| 08:51.33 | YamakasY | babilen: aha, freenode is not that nice anymore indeed |
| 08:52.06 | sobersabre | dpkg: tell sobersabre -about oftc move |
| 08:52.08 | r4co0n | andry, i found nothing as well, submitted my report and waiting for a ticket now |
| 08:52.28 | babilen | YamakasY: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build (in case you haven't found it yourself already) |
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| 08:53.20 | YamakasY | babilen: nope was not there yet |
| 08:53.28 | andry | heheo kay |
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| 08:54.21 | r4co0n | andry, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=759429 |
| 08:54.32 | r4co0n | andry, not against experimental, though |
| 08:54.39 | r4co0n | i just ran reportbug |
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| 08:57.48 | andry | sometimes i wonder where people find duplicates of my reports .. i searched half an hour for a bug report in pinta .. i was sure it was not reported .. i posted it and like 20 seconds later it got marked as dup |
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| 09:13.39 | lurtz_ | how can i limit the output of w/who in debian? |
| 09:13.42 | lurtz_ | so it shows nothing at all, for regular users |
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| 09:14.08 | Brigo | lurtz_, deleting it? |
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| 09:14.45 | andry | maybe an alias in bash.bashrc like who='who > /dev/null' ? :D |
| 09:15.01 | andry | but thats for all then .. you can delete it then. |
| 09:15.03 | petn-randall | lurtz_: What do you want to achieve? |
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| 09:15.48 | Brigo | lurtz_, w/who use information accesible from /proc so is not really a security problem. |
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| 09:16.35 | andry | or .. [[ if `id -u` -gt 1000]] && "alias who='who > /dev/null';" |
| 09:16.43 | andry | -if |
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| 09:17.25 | andry | oooor move it to sbin? ooor change owner... there are like 200 optionss |
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| 09:20.09 | andry | i recommend to just change the ownership |
| 09:21.51 | andry | this: |
| 09:21.59 | andry | sudo chown root: /usr/bin/who; sudo chmod 700 /usr/bin/who |
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| 09:24.14 | andry | but then also put it on hold .. sudo apt-mark hold who .. so that it will not get upgraded and chowned back .. or set +i attribute to fix it |
| 09:24.32 | andry | stops talking to himself now |
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| 09:25.24 | cynicallemon | says thats a good idea |
| 09:27.10 | andry | calls his mom and tells here the other kids in irc are picking on him again |
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| 09:30.59 | shay_shay | ,package-rebuild |
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| 09:35.40 | jelly | lurtz_: strace -eopen who >/dev/null. Look at which data file it opens. Investigate how to change permissions on that file so that things continue to work, but normal users lose read access. |
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| 09:36.23 | Rovanion | So I got a root device so full that apt-get crashes when I try to run apt-get autoremove. What should I do now? |
| 09:36.52 | babilen | Rovanion: Delete files manually in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 09:37.07 | jelly | Rovanion: just files, not any subdirectories |
| 09:37.15 | andry | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
| 09:37.23 | andry | oh. :) |
| 09:38.04 | Rovanion | Yup that cleaned up 0.4G |
| 09:38.11 | jelly | andry: changing permissions on the /usr/bin/who does not help at all, user can easily download a copy from another linux system |
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| 09:38.54 | andry | yes, thats true .. didnt think about that |
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| 09:40.05 | babilen | andry: I would rather make that *.deb |
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| 09:41.50 | andry | i did a grep -v deb before .. only found a lock file here .. and, well, the partial dir |
| 09:41.58 | andry | looked ok |
| 09:42.44 | babilen | I wouldn't delete the lock file |
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| 09:50.25 | ChrisH | http://paste.debian.net/117823/ happened while moving cables inside to check the correct place for DVD-ROM cable to connect (offline, later). Any comments on this messages? defective SATA or pwer cable? |
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| 09:57.36 | andry | nice to know :) |
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| 10:01.39 | ChrisH | Found it... during bootup one disk was offline. SATA cable was no longer properlpy seated |
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| 10:17.25 | zoidberg- | Hey guys, i dont want to use a bundled home router but i live in the uk, and trying to find an adsl modem (and not router) is proving difficult. I have a speedtouch 330 - but cant' seem to get it working in the latest distros, it detects it but cant seem to get an interface like /dev/ttys0 to talk to it with. I wonder what other peope use as a modem of adsl (pppoatm)? |
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| 10:18.38 | shay_shay | gin |
| 10:18.41 | shay_shay | ginkgo: |
| 10:20.24 | ginkgo | shay_shay ? |
| 10:20.30 | ChrisH | zoidberg-: most will get a box and offline NAT, PPPoE, Firewall onto the cheap HW box. You need some ADSL Modem anyhow. |
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| 10:21.33 | ChrisH | zoidberg-: checked https://wiki.debian.org/Speedtouch330 ? |
| 10:22.32 | ChrisH | zoidberg-: Get yourself a used Fritzbox 7240, freetz it and you will be happy. |
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| 10:37.29 | zoidberg- | ChrisH: thanks is the Fritzbox 7240 a modem or router? |
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| 10:38.24 | adac | Is there an easy way to install a kernel >= 3.8 in debian wheezy? |
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| 10:39.55 | jelly | adac: read /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
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| 10:40.51 | jelly | (and then /msg dpkg wheezy-backports ...) |
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| 10:42.42 | woshty | How much space does building a current kernel need? |
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| 10:43.49 | helmut | hi. is there a simple, programatic way to ensure that a particular package is removed (whether it is available, installed or completely gone)? apt-get remove foo # errors out if foo is unavailable. |
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| 10:44.24 | woshty | And why does rules.gen binary-arch_amd64_none_amd64 build dpg? |
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| 10:45.52 | woshty | *dbg |
| 10:47.12 | ChrisH | zoidberg-: both. DSL Modem with Router |
| 10:48.42 | jelly | helmut: well, the obvious answer is to check whether it's installed prior to attempting removal |
| 10:50.14 | zoidberg- | ChrisH: i dont want a router |
| 10:50.18 | zoidberg- | i will just put it in bridge so no point |
| 10:50.20 | zoidberg- | i need a modem |
| 10:50.23 | zoidberg- | got it now tho |
| 10:50.25 | zoidberg- | vigor120 |
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| 10:50.49 | jelly | helmut: more than one way to skin that cat. aptitude search '~i~n^foo$' && aptitude remove foo |
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| 10:52.55 | ws2k33 | hello, i have a LSI3008-IR raid controller is this supported by debian? |
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| 11:00.33 | TJ- | Abhijit: "/var/lib/apt/lists/" |
| 11:03.09 | ws2k33 | hello, i have a LSI3008-IR raid controller is this supported by debian? |
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| 11:07.58 | petn-randall | ws2k33: Very likely. If you know the PCI ID, you can check it in this channel with judd, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 11:21.17 | hid3 | Hello everyone. What's the best CLI tool to convert a bunch of mp3's to wav's? |
| 11:21.32 | hid3 | best = most easy to use |
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| 11:22.54 | brightkill | hid3, ffmpeg |
| 11:23.20 | themill | s/ffmpeg/avconv/ |
| 11:23.46 | hid3 | great, probably will try them both... |
| 11:24.19 | Nik05 | ffmpeg got replaced by libav on debian |
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| 11:25.31 | babilen | And might get rereplaced |
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| 11:26.12 | Nik05 | really? |
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| 11:27.15 | themill | unlikely |
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| 11:29.06 | babilen | Nik05: I am referring to https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg01010.html and various other (lengthy!) discussions on d-devel. "unlikely" seems to summarise it, but .. lets see |
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| 11:29.51 | babilen | *reintroduced is probably better anyway |
| 11:30.47 | helmut | jelly: aptitude is not installed in a build environment by default and invoking it 20 times can take quite some time. the same works with apt-cache show, but that still falls into the cumbersome category. thanks anyway. |
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| 11:31.30 | babilen | Nik05: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00630.html (and others, have fun reading them) |
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| 11:32.08 | kline | is there any limit on the number of "up" lines in /etc/network/interfaces? i have eth0 configured with two "up route add" lines, one for adding a route to dev eth0 and one for setting the default gw. after bringing eth0 up i can see the first route has been added to the table but not the second one, setting the gw |
| 11:32.11 | helmut | jelly: maybe NMUing packages with broken Build-Depends is easier than hacking their Build-Conflicts into longish shell scripts. |
| 11:32.24 | andry | klim, the limit is much higher |
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| 11:33.55 | themill | helmut: going back to your original question "apt-get remove foo || true" is set -e safe |
| 11:34.38 | andry | klim, i would specify a second routing table for another gateway |
| 11:34.55 | helmut | themill: true, but that still explodes apt-get remove foo bar baz to three apt invocations |
| 11:35.50 | kline | andry: what im really wondering is why this wont work: http://paste.debian.net/plain/117834 |
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| 11:35.54 | themill | indeed. |
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| 11:36.22 | helmut | half of my workarounds can probably be fixed with 5 NMUs |
| 11:36.23 | kline | i need to run 'route add default gw 188.1.2.254' manually to have networking work correctly |
| 11:36.24 | grobda24 | Hi, I just swtiched from Nvidia to AMD Radeon R7 260X graphics card. I am not familiar with AMD drivers. What are recommended, the proprietary or open source drivers ? Do the proprietary one's cause "kernel taint" ? |
| 11:36.29 | themill | helmut: doeet |
| 11:36.50 | helmut | themill: but the packages affected are all essential. ;-) |
| 11:36.57 | Captain_Haddock | Hi, are there any limitations to ufw when compared to directly manipulating iptables? (Right channel?) |
| 11:36.58 | themill | fun :S |
| 11:38.23 | ws2k33 | hello, i have a LSI3008-IR raid controller is this supported by debian? |
| 11:40.21 | baudlord | ws2k33: not sure if the debian kernel has those by default but iirc there are drivers on the kernel for your lsi |
| 11:41.04 | andry | klim, hm |
| 11:41.10 | andry | can you try post-up? |
| 11:41.35 | ws2k33 | i tryed to install debian 7.6 and ubuntu 12.04 both dont see any disk |
| 11:41.42 | kline | andry: i can, one moment please |
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| 11:43.26 | baudlord | ws2k33: then you might need to bootstrap from a live with a special kernel that has lsi support |
| 11:43.34 | kline | andry: same result: only one entry after upping, no network connectivity until a manual route add default gw is run |
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| 11:44.10 | petn-randall | ws2k33: Didn't my original answer help? |
| 11:44.11 | andry | how do you restart the interfaces? |
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| 11:45.15 | kline | andry: to make my life easier i just reboot the box so that it clears everything and starts again |
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| 11:45.35 | andry | hehe okay. can you run "ifdown eth0 && ifup -v eth0" |
| 11:45.56 | kline | from clean? |
| 11:46.16 | andry | just after reboot |
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| 11:47.05 | andry | and also pastebin dmesg | tail -n 30 maybe |
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| 11:47.49 | kline | would you mind a screenshot? the device is a networkless vm |
| 11:48.07 | andry | thats ok too |
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| 11:49.49 | andry | and maybe you can try adding "post-up route del default dev eth0" before the other post-up commands |
| 11:49.58 | kline | http://i.imgur.com/DchwrPG.png |
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| 11:52.28 | kline | neither dmesg nor journald have anything about networking - both have no records post login |
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| 12:01.00 | norberhuis | If I create a symbolic link to a directory that is on an encrypted partition, then the files written to that link get encrypted right? |
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| 12:03.16 | SynrG | Naturally |
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| 12:10.50 | Captain_Haddock | "Hi, are there any limitations to ufw when compared to directly manipulating iptables? (Right channel?)" |
| 12:11.24 | YamakasY | babilen: the patch doesn't seem to work |
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| 12:12.53 | nodedfree | the debian commands on the terminal are the same as ubuntu ? |
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| 12:13.27 | ws2k33 | nodedfree for like 90 % yes |
| 12:13.49 | nodedfree | ws2k3, ty |
| 12:14.10 | ws2k33 | this is because ubuntu is based upon debian |
| 12:14.36 | ws2k33 | centos fredora or redhat are a bit more different then ubuntu en debian |
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| 12:16.30 | petn-randall | ws2k33: I responded twice to your RAID controller request, did you read it? |
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| 12:21.23 | ws2k33 | petn-randall hmm no sorry didnt see but i went out for lunch let me see |
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| 12:22.30 | ws2k33 | ah i see well this are brand new supermicro servers usualy they only use raid controllers that are compatible with linux as far as i know |
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| 12:24.20 | ws2k33 | but isnt there a list or anything where i can check if this raid controller is supported |
| 12:24.33 | nodedfree | what is the lightest and fastest os compatible with raspberry pi? raspbian, debian, ubuntu, etc..? |
| 12:24.37 | petn-randall | ws2k33: There is, you just need to know the PCI ID. |
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| 12:25.16 | petn-randall | ws2k33: (which is really the only way to identify a device beyond doubt) |
| 12:25.39 | ws2k33 | nodedfree i would go with raspbian |
| 12:25.53 | ws2k33 | petn if you could help me how i can fire up a shell and check it |
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| 12:28.19 | ws2k33 | nodedfree i run raspbian on my raspberry and i havent seen anything that runs better |
| 12:28.37 | SynrG | nodedfree: Debian has no FPU support. Raspbian apparently does |
| 12:28.48 | SynrG | Ubuntu no clue |
| 12:29.07 | nodedfree | what is fpu? |
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| 12:29.58 | SynrG | Floating point unit |
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| 12:30.21 | nodedfree | ok |
| 12:30.28 | SynrG | Try Wikipedia |
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| 12:30.56 | petn-randall | ws2k33: petn<tab>, I don't get highlighted if you only type the first few letters. |
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| 12:31.15 | petn-randall | ws2k33: boot a live CD and run 'lspci' as root. |
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| 12:33.50 | ws2k33 | okay i have the output of psci |
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| 12:34.26 | petn-randall | 'command not found'? |
| 12:34.37 | ws2k33 | Serial Attached SCSI controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logis SAS3008 PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS-3 (rev 02) |
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| 12:35.08 | OpenTokix | ws2k33: you can probably provide a disk for the driver during installation for that card. |
| 12:35.51 | ws2k33 | opentokix yes i know but i just wanne check manualy if this controller realy isnt supported |
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| 12:36.22 | OpenTokix | ws2k33: ok |
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| 12:36.39 | petn-randall | ws2k33: run 'lspci -nn' and check it against the link I sent you. |
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| 12:38.02 | ws2k33 | petn-randall which link ? |
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| 12:38.22 | petn-randall | I wrote: ws2k33: Very likely. If you know the PCI ID, you can check it in this channel with judd, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 12:38.42 | kline | andry: sorry, i got pulled into a meeting. did you get a chance to view the results of downing and upping eth0? |
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| 12:54.42 | woshty | Kernel Handbook is a pretty useless collection of snippets. Is there something more task oriented avail? |
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| 13:00.16 | HideMe | Why does Debian not have an option to disable "Turn screen off when inactive" and how do I disable it? |
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| 13:00.56 | thingfish | HideMe: which desktop - Gnome? |
| 13:01.53 | HideMe | thingfish, yes. |
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| 13:02.23 | thingfish | HideMe: Applications>System Settings>Brightness and Lock |
| 13:02.47 | thingfish | oh yes, you want to disable it. |
| 13:02.47 | kline | thingfish: how does one do it without using DE specific tools? |
| 13:03.13 | thingfish | stop gnome-screensaver from starting |
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| 13:03.48 | kline | somewhat related: how does one change the lid-closed behaviour without de tools? |
| 13:04.38 | thingfish | I do not know that one |
| 13:04.41 | kline | (as it stands i can use the XFCE power manager to tell it *not* to sleep on lid close, but these settings are ignored and it does so anyway) |
| 13:04.56 | kline | (but to be fair i dont use xfce) |
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| 13:05.13 | HideMe | thingfish, where is the option to disable screen savers? |
| 13:05.36 | thingfish | HideMe: in Startup Applications |
| 13:05.46 | abrotman | kline: /etc/acpid/ IIRC |
| 13:05.58 | kline | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:07.09 | ompaul | this may be of some use pm-utils required for the configuration discussed here. Key scripts are placed in /usr/sbin and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d |
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| 13:10.34 | HideMe | thingfish, with two monitors, is there a way to turn just one off during inactivity? |
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| 13:10.57 | OpenTokix | HideMe: you have to do that manually |
| 13:11.01 | OpenTokix | HideMe: to turn off just one |
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| 13:11.48 | HideMe | thanks. |
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| 13:22.30 | nucter | Hi all, anyone here that can give me some insight on how to get intel graphics working properly? |
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| 13:23.52 | andry | what is the problem? :) |
| 13:23.57 | shubhojeet | nucter: which intel graphics ? |
| 13:24.08 | shubhojeet | motherboard ? |
| 13:24.17 | nucter | i downloaded a driverno hardware accelerated video playback |
| 13:24.35 | andry | xserver-xorg-video-intel < just install this. :P |
| 13:24.50 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:24.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:24.53 | nucter | i did it says have latest |
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| 13:25.08 | petn-randall | nucter: Try to phrase your problem along the lines of how dpkg said it. |
| 13:25.41 | supaplex | with debian installer, is the "Resize the partition" going to use parted? I have an iMac with 15gb in use, but don't want to destory the files on that partition. |
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| 13:27.25 | petn-randall | supaplex: It will resize the partition, conserving the actual contents on it. However, as with all such operations, you should have backups. |
| 13:28.56 | nucter | ok ok I have a problem getting smooth HD playback. I',m running debian Wheezy backport kernal 3.14(coz of audio problem) i tried updating xorg-video-intel no luck i tried updating vlc no luck i have installed an open source intel driver(OTC driver source) the pc hardware is an I3 4GB intel 4400 HD GPU |
| 13:30.30 | supaplex | good to know. looks like a bust. it says support for checking hfs+ file systems is not implemented yet. |
| 13:31.30 | petn-randall | supaplex: You can then resize the filesystem manually with a live image, for example "grml". Then you should be able to install to the free space. Do you have backups yet? |
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| 13:32.06 | petn-randall | nucter: What did the original driver show? Did you have screen tearing or what was the problem? |
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| 13:33.30 | nucter | oops i havent installed the intel OTC driver yet sorry i downloaded it. reason is im wondering if there might be a better free software solution |
| 13:33.37 | supaplex | I guess I'll backup first and retry. I forgot there is a dvd drive. I used BD-1 on a usb stick (it's about 6mo old, but works fine otherwise) |
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| 13:37.49 | nucter | ptn-randel all movies play none hd run smooth hd and full hd will take all cpu power to get a near smooth playback even on full hd |
| 13:38.25 | nucter | but this tell me the gpu does nothing coz video playback does,nt need 90% cpu power right? |
| 13:39.11 | HideMe | thingfish, so removing the screen saver from start-up didn't help. After 5 mins, the screen goes black. Ideas? |
| 13:39.48 | nucter | petn-randall* |
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| 13:43.00 | nucter | petn-randall: did i answer all your questions? |
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| 13:44.42 | Akuw | hi |
| 13:45.01 | Akuw | how can i know if mod_rewrite is working in my server |
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| 13:45.35 | ompaul | http://www.webune.com/forums/viewtopic-p-62.html |
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| 13:45.51 | ompaul | more of a web master question |
| 13:46.00 | andry | if you add a rewrite rule and apache starts without saying "what is that?" it is enabled :P |
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| 14:00.37 | jelly | nucter: does the playback take less cpu usage with, say, mplayer2? |
| 14:01.34 | jelly | an ivy bridge i3 should be able to reproduce hd video with ease |
| 14:04.41 | joj | Depends on the bit depth I'd say. 10bit@1080 can take quite a tool on weaker chips. |
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| 14:05.06 | joj | *toll |
| 14:05.09 | nucter | jelly: it's an haswell |
| 14:05.18 | jelly | that's even newer. |
| 14:05.29 | nucter | I3 1.7ghz |
| 14:05.48 | nucter | base ic dont know about turbo |
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| 14:06.34 | nucter | jelly: i think the gpu is being idle but i'm not sure how to fix it |
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| 14:07.32 | jelly | nucter: oh, even if you make it work, you'll have software decoding and just display that is accelerated |
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| 14:08.02 | jelly | there's some extra drivers to be installed to get decoding in GPU |
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| 14:08.37 | joj | nucter: I don't know about about vlc nowadays, but perhaps you can try selecting an opengl-accelerated video output instead of xv. You can get hardware-decoding with libvdpau-va-gl, but that's only in jessie and Sid atm. |
| 14:08.37 | jelly | it's quite possible your GPU is too new for the versions of drivers in wheezy |
| 14:08.37 | nucter | ok this is my first full blown linux pc how will i goi about it |
| 14:09.10 | nucter | staying through to free software ideals(as few proprietary stuff as possible) |
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| 14:10.43 | nucter | i'm still on wheezy i did update the kernal thogh |
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| 14:13.19 | joj | nucter: if you don't want to upgrade to jessie/testing/unstable, you could build an up-to-date version of mpv (https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build) which will statically link against a very new ffmpeg. It offers very good hardware-decoding support and you can compile in vaapi support (your card is listed as supported https://01.org/linuxgraphics/community/vaapi). The build is fully automated, I think it's |
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| 14:13.21 | joj | worth a try |
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| 14:14.34 | nucter | yes i downloaded that driver |
| 14:14.39 | nucter | 1.06 |
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| 14:15.37 | nucter | but how much does it respect free software i cant find that out |
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| 14:30.26 | peterrooney | Akuw: #httpd might be better |
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| 14:40.06 | TwoWholeWorms | So, these guys that are subcontractors for my current employer set up some AWS instances. apt-get update gets stuck on 0% [Connecting to cloudfront.debian.net (54.230.31.6)] [Connecting to security.debian.org (149.20.20.6)] on all of them. Any ideas? |
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| 14:40.43 | abrotman | TwoWholeWorms: bad routing? firewalls? |
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| 14:40.56 | abrotman | TwoWholeWorms: can you use wget or w3m to browse the repository? |
| 14:41.23 | TwoWholeWorms | That's my guess, but I specifically asked them to just install the damn instance and not piss about with the firewalls or anything >:/ |
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| 14:41.37 | nkuttler | TwoWholeWorms: can you at least ssh in? |
| 14:41.51 | TwoWholeWorms | nkuttler: To the instances? Yes. |
| 14:41.52 | nkuttler | no point in guessing.. |
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| 14:43.44 | ompaul | TwoWholeWorms: if you can ssh in can you wget www.google.cpm |
| 14:43.56 | ompaul | TwoWholeWorms: even a .com might be useful |
| 14:44.35 | TwoWholeWorms | Nope. I know what they've done |
| 14:44.45 | TwoWholeWorms | They've set up their stupid VPN to their internal network. |
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| 14:45.05 | TwoWholeWorms | What part of "Just install the instance, do not do any further configuration" did they not understand? |
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| 14:46.06 | ompaul | you have to ask them |
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| 14:49.34 | nkuttler | TwoWholeWorms: i once had to manage a server where the network admins thought it was "more secure" if they blocked all outgoing traffic.. |
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| 14:50.03 | nkuttler | fortunately it didn't have to send mails.. so i just tunnelled through it.. |
| 14:50.05 | ompaul | nkuttler: that is really useful exp if the box is a web aserver |
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| 14:50.36 | nkuttler | ompaul: well, connections could come in |
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| 14:51.12 | ompaul | nkuttler: yeap |
| 14:51.18 | ompaul | really good :-) |
| 14:51.29 | ompaul | nkuttler: it never surprises me what people do |
| 14:51.34 | nkuttler | so secure |
| 14:52.22 | ompaul | ssh -c $root@human apt-get install clue sort of a thing |
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| 14:52.54 | ompaul | nkuttler: my ambition to own a network in a hospital and call all the machines after body parts |
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| 14:53.36 | ompaul | drat this is #debian |
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| 15:01.16 | peterrooney | ompaul: the firewall's internal and external IPs would _have_ to map to proximal and distal |
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| 15:03.26 | ompaul | peterrooney: this is getting to be fun |
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| 15:05.40 | TwoWholeWorms | nkuttler: heh |
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| 15:25.52 | ompaul | jhutchins: 99% its been disabled in transition to newer kernel that's all |
| 15:25.53 | ompaul | just needs to be unmuted after that I'd go looking for devices etc |
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| 15:33.04 | jhutchins | ompaul: Problem stated as playback speed and lack of volume control, not lack of sound. |
| 15:33.35 | jhutchins | ompaul: Although "sound stop working" is pretty vague. |
| 15:33.47 | ompaul | if you have no driver amrock behaves like that :) |
| 15:34.09 | ompaul | not driver |
| 15:34.10 | ompaul | doh |
| 15:34.26 | ompaul | if you have your kit pointing to the wrong card f6 iirc |
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| 15:37.24 | cancellednobodyh | I know people, its very annoying the same question every day, but pls can any one help me ... please per skype or teamspeak, have serveral with my debian (howtoforge perfect) massive problems. Mayber someone could help me pls. PLS. and pls dont waste time to try to learn to my not to write no to write such things |
| 15:37.34 | cancellednobodyh | pls |
| 15:37.43 | cypherman | this is my output of lcpci -nn |
| 15:37.46 | cypherman | http://paste.debian.net/117855/ |
| 15:38.12 | cancellednobodyh | would be so cool if everyone could help me!! please |
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| 15:40.28 | cypherman | if i boot in the older kernel i hear sound nice, but not in this version 3.14 |
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| 15:40.45 | cypherman | 3.14-bpo |
| 15:40.46 | nkuttler | cypherman: sounds like you should just boot the old kernel |
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| 15:41.13 | cypherman | nkuttler: but the newer kernel works better with the video card |
| 15:41.22 | nkuttler | cypherman: yeah.. well.. |
| 15:41.29 | cypherman | the older kernel makes the screen flickers once in a while |
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| 15:41.53 | nkuttler | cypherman: have you ever built your own kernel? |
| 15:42.00 | nkuttler | that's another option.. |
| 15:42.04 | cypherman | no,installed the one in backports repo |
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| 15:42.46 | nkuttler | cypherman: what's your audio problem anyway? |
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| 15:53.07 | jhutchins | !de |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 15:54.38 | jhutchins | cypherman: I'm afraid your problem is most likely that the audio hardware is just not very good. |
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| 15:56.01 | petn-randall | cypherman: Why would you ask for support via Skype if your sound doesn't work? |
| 15:56.23 | nkuttler | petn-randall: wasn't him |
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| 15:56.45 | petn-randall | cancellednobodyh: Why would you ask for support via Skype if your sound doesn't work? |
| 15:57.01 | petn-randall | nkuttler: tab complete fail m( |
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| 15:57.14 | nkuttler | i didn't think cancellednobodyh has sound problems |
| 15:57.35 | nkuttler | but he can't afford one on one support, and doesn't ask more in here |
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| 15:58.29 | ompaul | because he wants to "dcc" you his infobot |
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| 15:58.44 | ompaul | drat wrong channel |
| 15:58.45 | ompaul | again |
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| 16:22.16 | rgr | Ive been through the lot. the etc/ssh/sshd_config, the authorized keys, the known_hosts. Still two machines out of 4 on my own little home lan are prompting for passwords despite having the public key of the connecting machines appended to authorized_keys. What else could I be missing? Got to be something glaringly obvious. There is an rsa key there. The -vv output : https://gist.github.com/rileyrg/63a0d3f7f8db9239729a |
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| 16:25.33 | ChrisH | rgr: check the server side's auth.log Filesystem permission can prevent sshd from using authorized_keys, but that is logged |
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| 16:29.09 | rgr | ta |
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| 16:30.29 | rgr | Oh you mean the .ssh dir? Yeah thats all correct and bristol fashion. |
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| 16:32.28 | ChrisH | rgr: it matters what sshd thinks not your opinion :) |
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| 16:39.07 | rgr | sure. nothing logged. permissions set the same across all 4. |
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| 16:39.38 | TwoWholeWorms | nkuttler: Was he, by any chance, A. Sathiskumar from Tata Consultancy Services, because that's /exactly/ what this idiot has done. |
| 16:39.45 | TwoWholeWorms | "Due to Security reason, I have allowed only limited ports. you can't access or ping public sites and servers from AWS Instances." |
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| 16:39.58 | nkuttler | TwoWholeWorms: nah, was a university network |
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| 16:40.37 | jelly | TwoWholeWorms: debian repos are a natural security risk, ehh |
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| 16:46.11 | ducbuttt | Hey |
| 16:46.18 | ducbuttt | does anyone here know how to make debian look like crunchbang |
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| 16:46.45 | sti_fr | hello all |
| 16:47.05 | centrx | ducbuttt, Find out the desktop environment and theme used on crunchbang |
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| 16:47.44 | ducbuttt | centrx: I know it's openbox + tint2 |
| 16:47.47 | ducbuttt | but getting that theme. |
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| 16:48.03 | ducbuttt | also |
| 16:48.07 | ducbuttt | what does no localizatio ndo |
| 16:48.10 | ducbuttt | when I select a language |
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| 16:48.15 | ducbuttt | I've never actually tried it |
| 16:48.44 | cra1g321 | the question that comes into my head is, why not just use crunchbang ? |
| 16:48.52 | centrx | If you do not use locales, you are defaulted to the "C" locale |
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| 16:48.56 | ducbuttt | It installs a broken bootloader |
| 16:49.04 | ducbuttt | every tme |
| 16:49.09 | ducbuttt | Perfectly fine install, broken bootloader |
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| 16:49.32 | cra1g321 | just copy the themes when running CB in live mode |
| 16:49.35 | cra1g321 | or add their repo |
| 16:49.54 | cra1g321 | think package is waldolf-theme or something |
| 16:49.57 | sti_fr | since the introduction of php5-fpm 5.6.0 rc4 dfsg 4 i have had several gateway time out with nginx |
| 16:50.29 | sti_fr | do you have had such issue? |
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| 16:59.47 | garo | "ps --ppid NUMBER" is nice but is there a way to also children of children ? |
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| 17:02.11 | ducbuttt | ok |
| 17:02.16 | ducbuttt | you guys here...? |
| 17:02.24 | garo | y |
| 17:02.33 | centrx | nope, all gone |
| 17:02.35 | cra1g321 | no where there |
| 17:02.44 | cra1g321 | we're |
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| 17:03.07 | centrx | garo, pstree will show you the whole hierarchy |
| 17:03.14 | ducbuttt | lol |
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| 17:03.24 | ducbuttt | i fucked my instlal usb |
| 17:03.30 | ducbuttt | and i have no machine to instal lfrom :D |
| 17:03.31 | ducbuttt | fuck :D |
| 17:03.33 | garo | seems exactly what i needed, thanks |
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| 17:04.11 | ompaul | you have some kind of machine you are on but your swearing doesn't make for high chances of engagement |
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| 17:05.29 | garo | hm, but it seems i lose a lot of features from ps by using pstree :( |
| 17:06.14 | petn-randall | ducbuttt: There's not much we can do from here. |
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| 17:07.14 | ducbuttt | petn-randall: I have an android phone |
| 17:07.17 | ducbuttt | so I can dd a usb |
| 17:07.19 | ducbuttt | :) |
| 17:08.13 | ompaul | well dd an install usb and away you go |
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| 17:09.03 | ompaul | ducbuttt: i386 or amd64 or something else? |
| 17:09.04 | _2_corn1234 | hi |
| 17:09.08 | ducbuttt | i386 |
| 17:09.15 | _2_corn1234 | hi |
| 17:09.15 | ducbuttt | I was thinking of trying a new linux distro |
| 17:09.19 | ducbuttt | a more minimalistic one |
| 17:09.22 | _2_corn1234 | hey |
| 17:09.31 | _2_corn1234 | :) |
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| 17:09.56 | ompaul | ducbuttt: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:10.15 | ducbuttt | nope. |
| 17:10.18 | ompaul | ducbuttt: can't help you with minimalist one |
| 17:10.20 | ducbuttt | nope nope nope |
| 17:10.24 | ompaul | so guess that is offtopic |
| 17:10.33 | ducbuttt | I used that image and this is where it got me |
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| 17:11.00 | ompaul | is the machine connected by wire to the internet? |
| 17:11.09 | ducbuttt | wireless |
| 17:11.15 | ompaul | well make it wired |
| 17:11.18 | ducbuttt | the driver is in the main branch since like 2.6? |
| 17:11.23 | ducbuttt | 2.5? |
| 17:11.42 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 17:11.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.15-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 17:12.13 | ompaul | so stable is 3.2 |
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| 17:12.18 | ompaul | so you got some other issue |
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| 17:12.38 | ompaul | unless you don't call main what debian calls main |
| 17:12.54 | ducbuttt | The issue is my install image is bad |
| 17:13.43 | ompaul | well here's the fun news - if you have a stick and some device you can cat debian-somestuffgoeshere.iso > /dev/sdWhateverYourUsbIs |
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| 17:14.01 | ducbuttt | dd if=debianiso.iso /dev/sdb |
| 17:14.08 | ducbuttt | dd if=debianiso.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 17:14.12 | ompaul | fine |
| 17:14.17 | ducbuttt | why would I use cat over dd |
| 17:14.26 | ompaul | cos its less typing |
| 17:14.40 | ducbuttt | Are you a c programmer? |
| 17:14.46 | ompaul | I'm lazy |
| 17:14.49 | petn-randall | djc |
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| 17:15.09 | towo` | cat is faster as dd without bs setting |
| 17:15.11 | ducbuttt | ompaul: so you're a c programmer |
| 17:15.16 | petn-randall | ducbuttt: because you have to set the byte size right, or else you'll be copying single bytes. |
| 17:15.28 | ompaul | that is an assumption you can't afford to make |
| 17:15.30 | ducbuttt | petn-randall: bs=1024 |
| 17:15.32 | ompaul | and I'm not |
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| 17:15.40 | ducbuttt | ompaul: lol |
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| 17:16.30 | ompaul | here's a pointer for you - go to somewhere you know somebody with some internet and spend a bit of time over coffee enjoy yourself |
| 17:16.51 | ducbuttt | I normally use the cd installer over the net installer |
| 17:16.59 | ducbuttt | I've yet to have an issue using net install over wifi |
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| 17:17.10 | ducbuttt | The problem right now is I dd'd over the usb I used to dd |
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| 17:17.32 | ompaul | ducbuttt: that's not fixable you need to create a new image |
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| 17:17.41 | ducbuttt | ompaul: I know this |
| 17:18.12 | ompaul | was your version number for the driver or the kernel version number |
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| 17:18.50 | ompaul | the basic thing you are trying to replicate on the usb is the same thing as they do with cd images - dao |
| 17:18.58 | ompaul | cat does it perfectly |
| 17:19.31 | ducbuttt | I know |
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| 17:21.33 | andry | has anyone successfully compiled vlc in sid? :P stupid freerdp .. disabled it for now |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:21.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 17:21.58 | jelly | andry: the right channel for sid ^^ |
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| 17:22.17 | jelly | andry: mind the different network |
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| 17:22.49 | andry | oh okay, forgot about it |
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| 17:23.37 | Disturbance | helo |
| 17:23.52 | Disturbance | how can i send a job to samba printer |
| 17:24.01 | Disturbance | i see it w smbclient |
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| 17:37.56 | RoyK | Disturbance: correct CUPS config? |
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| 17:39.52 | YamakasY | the debian based channels are really dead these days |
| 17:40.06 | Disturbance | lpr? |
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| 17:40.43 | Disturbance | how do i use lpr to send to shared printer |
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| 17:41.05 | YamakasY | lpr://xxx.xx.xxx.xxx:9100 |
| 17:41.16 | YamakasY | lpr://xxx.xx.xxx.xxx:9100/portname |
| 17:41.20 | YamakasY | can be done too |
| 17:41.23 | Disturbance | what lol |
| 17:41.42 | YamakasY | ? |
| 17:41.46 | Disturbance | lpr -P PRINTERNAME file.ps |
| 17:42.00 | YamakasY | oh from commandline ? |
| 17:42.04 | Disturbance | ya |
| 17:42.09 | YamakasY | oh didn't know |
| 17:42.14 | Disturbance | plus |
| 17:42.19 | Disturbance | its a samba share printer |
| 17:42.26 | Disturbance | thats on the windows comp |
| 17:42.30 | YamakasY | ah ok |
| 17:42.32 | Disturbance | plz help |
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| 17:42.47 | YamakasY | why actually use a samba share ? |
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| 17:42.56 | YamakasY | just print to the server directly |
| 17:43.20 | Disturbance | its complicated |
| 17:43.24 | Disturbance | i have to |
| 17:43.35 | YamakasY | if it's complicated it's wrong |
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| 17:44.04 | bhearsum | is it possible to have update-rc.d read the desired runlevel for a service from its init script, a la redhat's chkconfig? |
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| 17:45.49 | jelly-home | bhearsum: read about "defaults" in update-rc.d manual |
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| 17:46.18 | bhearsum | jelly-home: right - i see that the default runlevel is "20", and that i can override on the command line |
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| 17:46.33 | bhearsum | i don't see anything about reading it from the comments like chkconfig does, unless i've missed something |
| 17:46.46 | userings | Hello. What 'apt-get upgrade' will do on stable Debian? |
| 17:46.52 | bhearsum | er, i should correct myself: |
| 17:46.55 | bhearsum | i mean sequence, not runlevel |
| 17:47.47 | bhearsum | jelly-home: aha, i just found the bit about that - thanks |
| 17:48.24 | jelly-home | bhearsum: 20 sounds more like the priority rather than a runlevel |
| 17:48.37 | bhearsum | jelly-home: yeah - i got my terminology mixed up |
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| 17:49.23 | jelly-home | bhearsum: in any case, a recent installation of debian uses dependency-tracking and will start the service as soon as it can. What's your goal? |
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| 17:50.26 | YamakasY | userings: what did you thought of updating the system ? |
| 17:50.28 | bhearsum | jelly-home: i'm configuring a legacy service with to be installed with Puppet, i'm trying to find the best way to have it reset the priority for the service. looks like update-rc.d -f foo remove && update-rc.d foo defaults is the best bet |
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| 17:51.29 | userings | YamakasY, i just want to install all security updates. It's Debian Wheezy Stable. |
| 17:51.29 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 17:51.53 | YamakasY | userings: yea ? so do it |
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| 17:53.10 | userings | YamakasY, so, apt-get upgrade will install only the security updates, right? Because i'm not very fimilar with Debian conceptions... |
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| 17:55.08 | YamakasY | userings: yes |
| 17:55.17 | YamakasY | and rtfm && google |
| 17:55.34 | userings | Okay, thank you. |
| 17:55.58 | l_r | what's the version of kde in debian 7.6? |
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| 17:57.02 | userings | l_r, you can simply check it in www.distrowatch.com. |
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| 18:26.16 | jelly-home | l_r: the release notes say KDE 4.8.4 https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro |
| 18:26.31 | jelly-home | !wheezy release notes |
| 18:26.31 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
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| 18:27.42 | tecdroid | hi |
| 18:28.13 | tecdroid | is there any special channel for jessie? |
| 18:28.36 | centrx | tecdroid, #debian-next on OFTC, for jessie/testing and sid/unstable |
| 18:28.43 | tecdroid | thx |
| 18:29.03 | tecdroid | humm.. must be invited.. interesting |
| 18:29.17 | centrx | tecdroid, It is on a different IRC network, OFTC |
| 18:29.34 | tecdroid | whoops missed that detail ;) |
| 18:30.09 | EnergyMatter | I'm confused by the instructions for setting up an OpenVPN server that are on the wiki. |
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| 18:30.34 | Viruser | Why debian wiki block proxies? |
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| 18:30.58 | EnergyMatter | it says to run an "openvpn" command, but no such command exists. |
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| 18:31.04 | RoyK | Viruser: it doesn't |
| 18:31.05 | tugrik | EnergyMatter: don't be put off, openvpn is traditionally difficult, IMHO anyway |
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| 18:31.11 | RoyK | EnergyMatter: did you install openvpn? |
| 18:31.23 | EnergyMatter | RopK, yes. |
| 18:31.34 | EnergyMatter | RoyK* |
| 18:31.46 | tugrik | EnergyMatter: try "whereis openvpn" ? |
| 18:31.59 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 18:32.08 | RoyK | EnergyMatter: not sure - possibly old docs? |
| 18:32.29 | Viruser | RoyK, that's funny because i get a 403. Anyway. Since i can't browse wiki atm, can anyone tell me if it's possible to connect to wifi on a fresh install without DE? i can't seem to find any tool for that |
| 18:32.31 | RoyK | tugrik: if it were in the path (which is where whereis is searching) it should have been found already |
| 18:32.37 | shibboleth | EnergyMatter: "find / | grep -i openvpn" if tugriks suggestion fails |
| 18:32.50 | EnergyMatter | it seems to be in /usr/sbin |
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| 18:33.18 | tugrik | RoyK: usually, depends if you shell searches the path every time... IME bash does, but zsh doesn't, but I'm still figuring that out |
| 18:33.20 | RoyK | EnergyMatter: /usr/sbin is usually not in path for non-root |
| 18:33.36 | EnergyMatter | oh, I see now. |
| 18:34.06 | johnfg | Will there be a choice in jessie between systemd and sysvinit? |
| 18:34.22 | RoyK | doubts it |
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| 18:35.03 | RoyK | johnfg: it'll take rather a lot of work to handle both, don't you think? |
| 18:35.34 | johnfg | RoyK: You mean to support both? |
| 18:35.55 | RoyK | mhm |
| 18:35.58 | johnfg | So far, I've chosen to stay with sysvinit. |
| 18:36.12 | johnfg | On both debian and gentoo. |
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| 18:37.30 | RoyK | johnfg: seems to me Ubuntu's hasty choice of using upstart wasn't a good idea. I've been looking at systemd a bit, and it looks to me like a good thing (so far) |
| 18:37.44 | EnergyMatter | I was a fan of systemd on Arch, personally. |
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| 18:38.04 | RoyK | EnergyMatter: was - or is? |
| 18:38.11 | EnergyMatter | is, would be more correct |
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| 18:38.56 | EnergyMatter | I'm not running arch _right now_ because I'm so not using it for a server |
| 18:38.56 | s3a | I'm trying to compile a Linux kernel module called hello-2.c using the command "make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build M=${PWD} modules" (without the quotes), and this ( http://pastebin.com/Hs9tQJYR ) is the output, but I don't see a hello-2.ko. I'm Using Debian GNU/Linux 7.6. Could someone please tell me why I can't see a hello-2.ko, and what to do to get it? |
| 18:39.11 | tsam | I'm unable to make the sound system work on my laptop. I have an Intel chip. I think it's pretty standard. I have alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-firmware-loaders installed. Reinstalling these packets or restarting alsa-utils doesn't change anything. alsamixer shows that everything is to the max but mplayer doesn't output any sound. |
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| 18:39.19 | tsam | Any idea what I should try next? |
| 18:39.47 | RoyK | one of the things I don't like about ubuntu, is jumping to new stuff before it's tested thoroughly. systemd seems to be way better than upstart (which even ubuntu is abandoning now) |
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| 18:40.07 | tsam | lsmod outputs 12 lines of *snd* modules loaded. |
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| 18:40.59 | johnfg | ya, if you look at the comparison table on the systemd home page, it certainly looks to be the winner against others there. |
| 18:41.56 | LRN | i have multiple different variants of "mime.types" file in my system, why are they here? /etc/mime.types, /etc/nginx/mime.types, /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.types and a gzipped /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/mime.types.gz |
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| 18:42.53 | johnfg | RoyK: So are you planning to switch to systemd then? |
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| 18:43.06 | Disturbance | i get YamakasY |
| 18:43.13 | Disturbance | i get it foo |
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| 18:43.28 | johnfg | On gentoo I could use systemd if I wanted to switch, but I'm not going to, yet... |
| 18:43.29 | Disturbance | but still have to do it this way |
| 18:43.54 | llorephie | Hi all, can anybody help with apt update? |
| 18:43.54 | llorephie | Added i386 arch and... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8161487/ |
| 18:44.06 | RoyK | johnfg: I'm planning to use whatever good system that's well supported. systemd seems good. I've done some hours testing centos7/rhel7 and it looks good so far |
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| 18:44.39 | EnergyMatter | Has anyone here used an OpenVPN server in the past? |
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| 18:45.02 | tsam | alsactl init doesn't change anything. |
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| 18:48.20 | s3a | Someone please help, my question must be *very* simple to those who know how to program kernel modules. I'm trying to compile a Linux kernel module called hello-2.c using the command "make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build M=${PWD} modules" (without the quotes), and this ( http://pastebin.com/Hs9tQJYR ) is the output, but I don't see a hello-2.ko. I'm Using Debian GNU/Linux 7.6. Could someone please tell me why I can't see a hello-2.ko, and what to do |
| 18:48.20 | s3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.35 | tsam | ok a reboot worked. |
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| 18:48.40 | Disturbance | is ther a printing room? |
| 18:48.46 | Disturbance | lpr cups etc |
| 18:48.58 | tugrik | EnergyMatter: used, failed to make it work... but I realise I'm not helping. There should be a lot of documentation out there on it at least |
| 18:49.06 | Disturbance | its not many ppl in them |
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| 18:53.05 | kline | hi everyone. im having an issue with networking where i cant seem to get debian to honour all post-up lines in /etc/network/interfaces. particularly, i cant get it to add the default gateway specified, even though the line before it adding a route to a device works. heres the interfaces file: http://paste.debian.net/plain/117880 |
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| 18:55.24 | abrotman | kline: you know that the interfaces file has a 'gateway' line? |
| 18:55.51 | kline | abrotman: i do, however im trying to follow my vendors guidelines (dedicated server provider) |
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| 18:58.13 | kline | abrotman: whats probably more useful for me to say is that when using gateway i have the same issue |
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| 18:59.16 | EnergyMatter | I could just purchase access to a VPN. |
| 18:59.22 | opposition | gooooood evening all you hackers and crackers |
| 19:00.18 | kline | if i manually run the route add default gw line it gains connectivity |
| 19:00.26 | kline | i just dont get why it wont run from post-up |
| 19:00.39 | RoyK | kline: add "gateway 188.165.201.254 to the first block |
| 19:00.43 | RoyK | kline: add "gateway 188.165.201.254" to the first block |
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| 19:01.40 | kline | RoyK: yes, no difference |
| 19:01.53 | RoyK | kline: btw, crossing out some parts of the address with x.x fails to miss the point if you're giving the network address in the gateway part ;) |
| 19:02.14 | tugrik | kline: is this a server you have remote access to, or is it something you're sat in front of? |
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| 19:02.35 | kline | RoyK: i dont really care either way, this is just a troubleshooting box |
| 19:02.40 | kline | tugrik: VM on a remote host |
| 19:02.50 | RoyK | kline: also, if the address is 5.something and the gateway's 188.something, then the gateway is on a different network and thus wrong |
| 19:03.06 | tugrik | ah cool, so you can't lock yourself out with the wrong network config then... *phew* |
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| 19:03.11 | kline | tugrik: )) |
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| 19:03.43 | kline | RoyK: http://help.ovh.co.uk/BridgeClient |
| 19:03.47 | tugrik | oh yeah, good spot RoyK |
| 19:03.58 | kline | its strange vendor magic |
| 19:04.05 | userf | spectrwm is best winmenager |
| 19:04.06 | kline | running the post-up commands manually does bring connection |
| 19:04.07 | tugrik | kline: also your address is the same as your broadcast address... that's probably wrong |
| 19:04.41 | kline | i dont think it is - the vendor specifies it, and running the post-up commands manually in a shell brings connectivity |
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| 19:05.36 | tugrik | ah yes kline ; you appear to be following the instructions correctly - and ovh.co.uk are popular, so you can't be the first playing with this |
| 19:05.44 | RoyK | heh - broadcast there should be .255, not .224 |
| 19:06.02 | RoyK | mumbles something about PEBKAC |
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| 19:06.47 | kline | RoyK: i dont see what you mean |
| 19:06.53 | tugrik | don't know RoyK , check the URL |
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| 19:07.33 | kline | the vendor docs very clearly specify that both address and broadcast are the same ip, and that the netmask and gateway are... strange compared to normal configs |
| 19:07.53 | kline | as ive mentioned, running the post-up commands manually in a shell, after boot, brings connectivity |
| 19:08.14 | kline | (specifically, only the default gw needs added to the table) |
| 19:08.20 | tugrik | kline: afaict you are following the instructions correctly, but to those of us with networking experience ( which might include you ) it's making us sad |
| 19:08.32 | kline | ikr |
| 19:09.11 | tugrik | :) |
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| 19:09.28 | tugrik | adds "ikr" to his lexicon |
| 19:09.32 | RoyK | kline: the broadcast address is not the ip address. with an address of 1.2.3.4/24, the broadcast address is 1.2.3.255 - it's simple math |
| 19:09.33 | kline | the best working way so far is simply to add a post-boot script to run the command, but i really just want to make this right before i bake it into the template |
| 19:09.43 | kline | RoyK: have you read the link i posted? |
| 19:09.48 | tugrik | nah RoyK - it is according to the instructions, and I've seen that before |
| 19:09.52 | kline | the vendor has specific and non-standard setup |
| 19:09.59 | tugrik | RoyK: do read the link, but you might need a tissue |
| 19:10.40 | RoyK | oh well |
| 19:10.56 | RoyK | if people can't follow standards, I can't say much |
| 19:11.01 | RoyK | call support |
| 19:11.08 | kline | such is life :( |
| 19:11.33 | RoyK | kline: it's a bit hard when someone's trying to reinvent IP to their own use :P |
| 19:11.35 | tugrik | I don't *think* it's not following standards, I just think it's... er... innovative |
| 19:11.41 | kline | tugrik: what really irks me is that this must work for most people, and if i run those commands manually, it does work |
| 19:11.56 | RoyK | http://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| 19:12.07 | kline | its just that the post-up commands as listed in the interfaces file dont seem to be honored when bringing the link up |
| 19:12.14 | tugrik | kline: yeah, I'm thinking the same, having seen the instructions... I'd look up OVH specific comments on the Interwebs, and contact support directly |
| 19:12.37 | tugrik | and trawl the logs, anything useful as a result of that command? and can you run the command manually? |
| 19:12.55 | kline | yes, running the command manually does the right thing and brings connectivity |
| 19:13.03 | RoyK | why on earth would someone change IP to their use instead of using it as it is? It works, goddamnit! |
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| 19:13.43 | tugrik | ah kline... that's annoying |
| 19:13.45 | kline | RoyK: i dont understand either, but it clearly works and its not something i can change, so im not worrying about it, only that debian doesnt seem to be running post-up lines |
| 19:14.06 | tugrik | er... check line-endings and tabs/spaces and other config file annoyances |
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| 19:14.17 | RoyK | kline: debian, as with others, like standards. deal with it. |
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| 19:14.51 | kline | RoyK: i was hoping youd be as helpful for me in here as i was for you in the past in #arduino :( thanks anyway |
| 19:15.30 | RoyK | kline: trying to be helpful... it's not always easy |
| 19:15.39 | tugrik | kline: try removing the blank line after "broadcast" |
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| 19:16.22 | kline | no dice |
| 19:16.46 | kline | route shows only the first entry, not the 2nd, and ping falls over |
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| 19:17.52 | Densukke1 | hello |
| 19:18.06 | tugrik | ah, what's the output? |
| 19:18.10 | Densukke1 | any fella with experience running rancid + cvsweb? |
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| 19:18.21 | centrx | sounds gross |
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| 19:18.38 | RoyK | kline: try to remove the line "post-up route add 188.165.201.254 dev eth0" |
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| 19:18.59 | RoyK | kline: it shouldn't be needed |
| 19:20.16 | kline | RoyK: no dice :( |
| 19:20.28 | tugrik | ah, it is - that's how the whizzy counter-intuitive networking works RoyK |
| 19:20.33 | RoyK | kline: really, that network config looks rather messed up. if you needed a route 188.165.201.0/24, that should be something like "post-up route add 188.165.201.0/24 dev eth0" |
| 19:20.34 | tugrik | ( afaict anyway ) |
| 19:21.22 | tugrik | the first line says "IP GATEWAY_VM is on the other side of this device", the second line says "your default gateway is GATEWAY_VM" |
| 19:21.38 | tugrik | so the host knows to send all traffic to the default gateway via eth0 |
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| 19:22.48 | RoyK | or, it's how networking works if you have really bad engineers at the design |
| 19:23.23 | kline | regardless, its what im stuck with and i dont think the networking config itself is the issue - running the post-up commands manually brings the route up |
| 19:23.38 | tugrik | I prefer "exploring the intellectual limits of IPv4".... but yes, what kline says, it should just work shouldn't it? |
| 19:23.45 | tugrik | anything in the logs kline ? |
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| 19:25.27 | kline | journalctl and syslog seem to have stopped recording after logging in as root |
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| 19:26.01 | kline | syslogs last line is a note on startup time and journalctl reports the last line as logging in root on tty1 |
| 19:26.52 | tugrik | ah, then at this point I'd be tempted to run... er... "strace /etc/init.d/networking start" ? |
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| 19:28.04 | RoyK | tugrik: strace -f |
| 19:28.15 | tugrik | heh, good point :) |
| 19:28.16 | RoyK | strace without -f won't follow child processes |
| 19:28.20 | kline | its irrelevant when i dont have strace :> |
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| 19:28.55 | tugrik | worth installing to try and figure out what's going on kline... although I must admit I don't really understand most of the output |
| 19:29.12 | kline | yeah, im bringing the network up manually just now |
| 19:29.15 | RoyK | kline: can you configure the network manually? |
| 19:29.19 | kline | yes |
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| 19:29.34 | kline | simply running the post-up commands in interfaces will bring the network up |
| 19:29.53 | kline | specifically, only the default gw route needs added |
| 19:29.55 | RoyK | kline: may be some code in the init scripts checking for bad config |
| 19:29.58 | JPiper | I'm having a problem getting a remote debian server to boot. Other than dmesg and syslog what are the other commonly referred to files that I should be troubleshooting to determine where the failure is occuring? The server runs a simple s/w RAID1 configuration. |
| 19:30.26 | RoyK | kline: or no-too-standardised-config-created-by-a-maniac |
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| 19:30.42 | opposition | if it dont boot you gotta have local access |
| 19:30.58 | JPiper | I can remotely access the drives mounted through another system. |
| 19:31.04 | JPiper | So I have acces to conf files etc |
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| 19:31.31 | kline | RoyK: i understand and empathise with your frustration with this config (trust me, i really do know how mad it seems), but i dont think rehashing that point is helpful |
| 19:31.55 | RoyK | JPiper: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger will reboot it, but if it's not stable, it might not come up again |
| 19:32.08 | opposition | you could do a ls -ltr /var/log/ and check the files on the bottom of your screen |
| 19:32.09 | JPiper | I don't need to reboot it. |
| 19:32.17 | opposition | those wil be the most recent changed files |
| 19:32.44 | RoyK | kline: sorry - just don't know what to do with this |
| 19:33.14 | JPiper | /etc/fstab seems to be okay too |
| 19:33.29 | RoyK | JPiper: what's in dmesg? |
| 19:33.48 | kline | does the network config guarantee the order of post-up commands ? |
| 19:33.48 | RoyK | JPiper: and /proc/mdstat? |
| 19:33.58 | kline | or might it be trying to add the gw before it has a route to it? |
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| 19:34.20 | JPiper | RoyK, well its a remotely mounted filesystem at this point so mdstat isnt running |
| 19:34.25 | JPiper | ...or reporting anything |
| 19:34.35 | RoyK | kline: hm... try to change that from 'post-up' to 'up' |
| 19:35.19 | opposition | you could backtrack and think what the latest modifications were to your system and go from there |
| 19:35.20 | RoyK | kline: not sure if it makes a difference, but it may, parhaps, possibly, maybe... |
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| 19:35.27 | JPiper | RoyK, dmesg has a ton of info but I am finding it challenging to parse it all, I see errors but I don't know what impact those errors are having on the system |
| 19:35.45 | opposition | i guess you found out |
| 19:35.47 | RoyK | JPiper: pastebin it |
| 19:35.52 | Brigo | JPiper, if there is nothing in klog and syslog i doubt you will find somethin in other logs. |
| 19:36.09 | kline | RoyK: no change |
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| 19:36.18 | Brigo | JPiper, paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 19:36.54 | JPiper | RoyK, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/de64e2b050321afd2063 |
| 19:36.57 | JPiper | oh |
| 19:37.02 | opposition | if you got errors in your logs youre better off if you fix those until there are zero error reports |
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| 19:37.34 | JPiper | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/117887/ |
| 19:37.42 | kline | oh my god |
| 19:38.18 | RoyK | what god? |
| 19:38.41 | ompaul | general operation dog |
| 19:38.49 | kline | RoyK: tugrik : i had a moment a few mins ago where i was wondering if there was a guaranteed order of execution: sandwiching both commands together chained with && works |
| 19:38.52 | opposition | hi ompaul |
| 19:39.10 | RoyK | kline: :) |
| 19:39.21 | ompaul | kline: and you resolved it by doing sleep 5 && ls |
| 19:39.24 | opposition | ompaul: you still upset ? |
| 19:39.25 | kline | i guess it was running both either at the same time, or so close together that the route hadnt been added completely |
| 19:40.32 | ompaul | if you think you have to wait for something to settle sleep is your friend |
| 19:40.35 | Brigo | JPiper, only 2 disk? |
| 19:40.38 | JPiper | yes |
| 19:40.43 | JPiper | its a simple setup |
| 19:40.54 | JPiper | 2 disks, 3 partitions over both disks |
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| 19:41.39 | Densukke1 | anyone with rancid+cvsweb experience? |
| 19:41.47 | JPiper | Brigo, this is my fstab http://paste.debian.net/117890/ , seems to be ok |
| 19:42.22 | tugrik | cheers for highlight kline - I'd got distracted by my own problem ( synergy ALT key stuck weirdness ) |
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| 19:42.40 | tugrik | glad you fixed it... weird problem though.... |
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| 19:43.09 | kline | yeah, im really frustrated by how non-intuitive that was - im passing it back to OVH in the morning |
| 19:43.12 | ompaul | Densukke1: it works better if you describe your scenario perhaps in paste.debian.net and then your story can be viewed and understood someone my know something but any experience doesn't work, one persons beginner is another's expert |
| 19:43.21 | kline | tugrik: thanks for your help today |
| 19:43.23 | ompaul | Densukke1: and I know nothing of either |
| 19:43.27 | JPiper | lol kline my server is at ovh too, huge problems |
| 19:43.39 | opposition | lol at your nick Densukke1 |
| 19:43.55 | tugrik | no problem kline, glad you got it fixed |
| 19:44.01 | Brigo | JPiper, i see no errors. |
| 19:44.06 | JPiper | ye thats the thing |
| 19:44.12 | JPiper | ovh tells me its a software issue |
| 19:44.20 | JPiper | but i cant see anything obvious as to why the server doesnt boot |
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| 19:44.39 | kline | JPiper: what server family? KS/SYS/other? |
| 19:44.41 | Brigo | JPiper, i think so, can you paste the syslog now,please? |
| 19:44.43 | JPiper | ks |
| 19:44.52 | JPiper | sure Brigo |
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| 19:45.00 | kline | sorry, i dont know that family |
| 19:45.01 | opposition | Densukke1: post us some errors youre getting |
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| 19:45.31 | Densukke1 | cvs chekcout: No CVSROOT specified! |
| 19:45.35 | Densukke1 | that to begin |
| 19:45.46 | Densukke1 | rancid works fine: cvs repos are being created |
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| 19:46.01 | Densukke1 | just seems to get them to show on web |
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| 19:47.55 | opposition | im not running cvs but you could do a man cvs and check which option you need to specify for a rootcvs |
| 19:48.04 | opposition | its prob a directory you omitted |
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| 19:49.04 | opposition | but if youre files are downloaded and created this may not be the problem |
| 19:49.32 | opposition | then it downloads in the folder youre running it from or a default dir |
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| 19:50.55 | JPiper | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/117892/ |
| 19:51.34 | JPiper | that time in the log Aug 26 21:11:01 is the last entry in most logs |
| 19:52.01 | RoyK | opposition: I thought CVS was replaced by subversion some years back, which was replaced by git some other few years back :P |
| 19:52.06 | Brigo | JPiper, are you sure the network configuration is ok? |
| 19:52.20 | JPiper | Brigo, yea i replaced the ips with x.x.x.x ;) |
| 19:52.34 | somiaj | RoyK: depends on the project. Nowdays you need to know all three (: |
| 19:52.38 | opposition | not replaced at all RoyK |
| 19:52.47 | Brigo | and why the errors? no route to host? |
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| 19:53.20 | JPiper | i dont know, the server 's disk are accessible via ovh's rescuemode |
| 19:53.29 | JPiper | thing is, it doesnt even boot up |
| 19:53.38 | JPiper | so im not sure that this is a networking issue |
| 19:54.01 | JPiper | ill need to fix the bootup first and then address the networking issue |
| 19:54.24 | opposition | RoyK: i want him to fix this problem so he can change his nick into a better one |
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| 19:55.28 | Brigo | JPiper, the system look good, but i cannot see sshd running? how do you connect? |
| 19:55.40 | JPiper | over ssh |
| 19:55.56 | JPiper | but this is thru ovh's rescuemode which is a bootable distro they run which mounts my disks |
| 19:56.47 | JPiper | and thats what i told ovh support, the system looks good, the software is fine, but they insisted theres a software issue |
| 19:56.51 | JPiper | hardware is good too |
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| 19:57.04 | JPiper | im really stumped by this |
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| 19:58.14 | JPiper | even if i try to boot the server now, no new events will be added to the logs so it leads me to believe that the server is getting stuck somewhere between the bios and grub |
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| 19:58.44 | fattratt | is away: sleeeping |
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| 20:01.03 | Brigo | JPiper, not really, if system can not access disk it cannot save logs, so it can fail somtime before disks mounting |
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| 20:02.08 | Brigo | You can check the disk and the raid, so that is not the problem. |
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| 20:02.36 | Brigo | did you change anything? :) |
| 20:03.26 | userf | what you think about dynamic window menagers? |
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| 20:06.27 | JPiper | Absolutely nothing was changed, the server (host) became unresponsive while I was working on upgrading a VM (inside the VM). What would be a good way to check the disks and raid? I verified that smartctl reports no errors on the disks at all. |
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| 20:09.18 | Brigo | JPiper, with the system tools, ext3.fsck, mdadm, etc. |
| 20:10.39 | JPiper | Can mdadm run against a remote filesystem? |
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| 20:11.22 | JPiper | i mean right now the ovh server is booted in ovh's rescuemode so i can access each disk separately (mounted) but cant actually run mdadm tools |
| 20:11.40 | henry22 | Hi every body |
| 20:11.47 | henry22 | everybody |
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| 20:14.07 | opposition | good evening henry22 |
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| 20:14.15 | opposition | your nick sounds like a pronbot |
| 20:14.45 | opposition | isthat your age ? |
| 20:14.48 | l_r | i have a big problem to solve: debian7.6 +kde vs kubuntu 14.04 |
| 20:14.50 | henry22 | I have a question please. In fact, I did a dd command on my micro sd card in order to put raspbian (debian for raspberry pi). I have two partitions mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2. I can mount the first partition - vfat fs (boot). But not the second - ext 4 fs. |
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| 20:15.35 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 20:15.35 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:15.36 | henry22 | No, I am not a bot lol |
| 20:15.38 | Brigo | JPiper, not sure, i am wondering about some test feature ... |
| 20:15.53 | JPiper | ye its befuddling |
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| 20:16.24 | somiaj | henry22: we do not support raspbian here, you should use their support. As for your issue, are you talking about your disk image, you aren't able to mount the resulting image. did you image the whole disk or just the partitions? |
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| 20:17.33 | henry22 | somiaj: I did a dd from the raspbian image. |
| 20:17.57 | l_r | guys, will it be possible to upgrade from stable to testing once testing will be out as stable? |
| 20:18.17 | somiaj | henry22: then you should use their support about their images. |
| 20:18.18 | opposition | no need to |
| 20:18.26 | opposition | testing is testing |
| 20:18.36 | nkuttler | l_r: yes, you can upgrade to the new stable release |
| 20:18.51 | l_r | do you know when that will happen? |
| 20:18.54 | henry22 | somiaj: ok |
| 20:19.05 | opposition | its int the topic |
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| 20:19.37 | l_r | what's in the topic? |
| 20:19.43 | somiaj | l_r: about a year after the freeze, though there has been some policy changes to try to ensure a much faster freeze cycle. but six months to a year after the freeze would be reasonble. They are hoping for faster this time. |
| 20:19.48 | opposition | the answer to your question |
| 20:19.50 | somiaj | the topic has the freeze date in it |
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| 20:30.04 | Densukke1 | Hello |
| 20:30.23 | Densukke1 | Anyone with rancid-cvsweb experience? |
| 20:30.30 | opposition | you asked that before |
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| 20:30.46 | opposition | you gotta ask specific questions on what the problem is |
| 20:31.00 | opposition | or post us an error message |
| 20:31.01 | Densukke1 | I had and no one answered |
| 20:31.11 | opposition | i answered you |
| 20:31.15 | Densukke1 | Yes |
| 20:31.29 | opposition | you had a CVSROOT error |
| 20:32.02 | Densukke1 | Which is fixed how? |
| 20:32.18 | opposition | as i said im guessing here too |
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| 20:32.32 | opposition | but you do a man cvs and check how to set your rootdirectory |
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| 20:32.53 | opposition | unless youre running it off the web |
| 20:33.15 | opposition | but the approach will be more or les the same |
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| 20:34.32 | opposition | if you come in and start a quiz noone is gonna answer you |
| 20:34.41 | ridj222 | So, I seem to be having some issue making a Debian DVD. Downloaded the debian 7.6 iso on Windows 7 and then burned it onto a DVD via the proprietary burner. I'm just getting a blinking _ when trying to boot via it to install. I can't quite figure out what I'm doing wrong and I only have 1 more DVD-r, so I have to get this one right. |
| 20:35.27 | opposition | Densukke1: make a specific question on what you want fixed or repaired or post a direct error message and ask how to fix it |
| 20:35.38 | Densukke1 | Cvs is new to me |
| 20:35.51 | opposition | thats no problem |
| 20:36.07 | opposition | do you have access to a terminal ? |
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| 20:36.30 | opposition | then open an term or xterm and type : man cvs |
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| 20:37.20 | Viruser | ridj222, WHy don't you use a usb flash drive |
| 20:37.28 | opposition | you will get specifications of the cvs command and type: /ROOT or /root and search for a directory to set via options |
| 20:37.56 | ridj222 | Only 1 USB port and I need that for non-free firmware files. It's a long story. |
| 20:38.29 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ridj222 -about firmware image |
| 20:38.40 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ridj222 -about win32diskimager |
| 20:39.03 | Viruser | Couldn't you install firmwares after installation? |
| 20:39.18 | jmcnaught | ridj222: the dpkg bot should have messaged you links to an installer image that includes the firmwares, and a windows tool you can use to prepare the USB stick |
| 20:39.37 | opposition | Densukke1: in linux every problem is solvable and you repair it yourself, no need to reinstall or anything |
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| 20:40.32 | opposition | the man commands is a very basic command and very usefull to get yourself info on what youre doing |
| 20:41.07 | opposition | practically every linux command has a man page |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | pfft .. |
| 20:41.29 | opposition | abrotman: knows the ins and outs of cvs |
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| 20:41.35 | abrotman | https://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 20:41.39 | ridj222 | I could, but I'm really new and doing it during the install seems a lot easier. This is especially true since I won't have an ethernet connection. |
| 20:41.43 | Viruser | But most commands are just programs that we call from shell |
| 20:41.44 | abrotman | I'd hardly call that "practically every" |
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| 20:42.04 | opposition | okay ... every command is youre so precise |
| 20:42.09 | opposition | if* |
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| 20:42.19 | abrotman | uhm, you're wrong? very much so |
| 20:42.31 | opposition | Densukke1: abrotman: knows the ins and outs of cvs |
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| 20:42.54 | abrotman | opposition: please don't cause problems and point others toward unsuspecting people |
| 20:42.56 | julius_ | hi |
| 20:42.57 | Viruser | ridj222, haha i feel you. I have installed a fresh wheezy and now there is no wpasupplicant to connect to internet |
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| 20:43.45 | Viruser | have to get it on my desktop and move it to laptop |
| 20:43.56 | Densukke1 | Abrotman can you help me out? |
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| 20:44.20 | abrotman | Densukke1: unfortunately, that opposition is lying .. seems to be trolling |
| 20:44.28 | larsweb | Hi! :) How can i block traffic from a wildcard domain? eg *.sub.example.com ? |
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| 20:44.51 | abrotman | larsweb: what kind of traffic? |
| 20:45.00 | larsweb | abrotman, http |
| 20:45.39 | larsweb | i get an excessive amount of traffic which seems unrelevant |
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| 20:50.04 | srged | I've installed VirtualBox on a Debian host, how do I setup the "tools" so I can copy/paste etc ? |
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| 20:52.31 | Brigo | srged, i think you have to install the guest aditions on the guest,and may be host aditions in host |
| 20:53.07 | Brigo | srged, only in client i think |
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| 20:54.59 | Brigo | if you are intalling debian like guest you already have a package for it, if not there is another package with and iso, and you can easely install it with cdrom driver |
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| 20:59.19 | opposition | adolf hitler was the return of jesus abrotman |
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| 21:03.23 | haole | I have iptables installed but there is no service for it! what am I missing? the wiki seems outdated |
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| 21:04.18 | babilen | haole: You might be looking for iptables-persistent or interface hooks |
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| 21:07.04 | JPiper | whats the command to add a persistent gateway via the route command? |
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| 21:12.29 | RoyK | haole: ufw is nice |
| 21:13.15 | haole | babilen: thanks, that was it |
| 21:13.27 | Brigo | JPiper, there is no persitent way, you have to add the whole command in same place like /etc/network/ifup.d or so. |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | JPiper: route add default gw <ip> |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | Brigo: just don't reboot, problem solved :) |
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| 21:14.04 | haole | what happens if I have a Linux router with x.x.x.x as the DNS server in resolv.conf (x.x.x.x being a WAN address) and a client of this network has its own resolve.conf configured to my router's IP? |
| 21:14.12 | haole | like: client -> router -> real dns server |
| 21:14.17 | haole | will the router just do a passthrough? |
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| 21:14.29 | Brigo | abrotman, are you talking about JPiper problem? |
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| 21:14.42 | abrotman | Brigo: yes :) |
| 21:15.44 | Brigo | oh, very good, then. |
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| 21:17.00 | infernix | i'm not sure why, but if I ssh to some debian 7 servers, I can't use ctrl/shift/alt + arrow keys. ctrl left/right etc are outputting ;5C ;5D and so on. i'm connecting to them from a sid box, TERM is xterm |
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| 21:17.18 | Brigo | abrotman, wait a moment: what is the meant of "just don't reboot"? |
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| 21:17.38 | infernix | it works fine on the sid box and on all other debian/ubuntu/centos boxes i ssh to, but not on 2 specific debian 7 boxes |
| 21:17.52 | infernix | setting an .inputrc on those doesn't seem to help either |
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| 21:19.09 | infernix | i'm not even sure what i'm looking for, but seeing as it's only on 2 debian 7 boxes out of a dozen servers, it must be something on them specifically |
| 21:19.11 | Brigo | infernix, did you check /etc/default/keyboard ? |
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| 21:19.32 | abrotman | Brigo: it was a joke |
| 21:19.46 | Brigo | abrotman, ah! XD |
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| 21:20.39 | infernix | Brigo: looks fine to me, pc104. besides isn't that for hardware keyboard? I'm ssh-ing to them |
| 21:20.57 | Brigo | infernix, not sure. |
| 21:21.37 | Brigo | so did you check .bashrc, .profile, /etc/profile, etc? |
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| 21:23.31 | infernix | Brigo: nothing special in them really. i did a --reinstall on bash to get defaults for that |
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| 21:24.17 | infernix | Brigo: it's the same in zsh or any other shell |
| 21:24.50 | Brigo | mmm :-/ |
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| 21:26.19 | srged | Guys, I've just installed XP under VirtualMachine(Debian host)...how can I connect USB to the XP ? |
| 21:27.18 | Brigo | infernix, and the sshd config? |
| 21:27.41 | srged | *virtualbox |
| 21:28.16 | DerUlf | srged, right click the 3rd icon in the panel right bellow the xp-window |
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| 21:29.00 | infernix | Brigo: looked through it. nothing stands out. |
| 21:29.01 | Russkij | HEiL Hitler ! Unser Fuhrer was the return of the one and only lord Jesus abrotman you bastard ! |
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| 21:29.20 | abrotman | I swear, I"m going to ban that web client |
| 21:29.27 | Brigo | XD |
| 21:30.02 | srged | DerUlf: what panel |
| 21:30.02 | grothendieck | so that happened... |
| 21:30.36 | shay_shay | abrotman: ban the web client why not XD |
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| 21:31.08 | havarka | abrotman, could you, its quite offensive |
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| 21:31.15 | DerUlf | srged, there must be a list of icons bellow your virtual screen |
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| 21:32.20 | infernix | Brigo: seems somehow terminal related. i mean vim responds correctly, as does any other app. |
| 21:32.32 | srged | DerUlf: nope |
| 21:32.50 | nyk2005 | I want to find a document I printed on my cups printer. In /var/spool/cups, there are only the job decriptions. But where is the actual data to be printed stored? |
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| 21:33.18 | DerUlf | srged, http://i.stack.imgur.com/NZone.png |
| 21:33.26 | infernix | can I force purge bash and reinstall it without hosing my box? o_O |
| 21:33.49 | infernix | i know it's essential.. i wonder if any of the post/prerm scripts reference /bin/bash over /bin/sh |
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| 21:38.36 | haole | I have a client behind a NAT that doesn't support IPv6, however, its dns queries are being returned as IPv6 addresses... where do I configure this? |
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| 21:39.26 | infernix | ha, 'infocmp'. a clue. looks like my escape char isn't interpreted right. super weird |
| 21:39.35 | Dagger | haole: you shouldn't need to. any AAAA responses will be sorted underneath A responses, so v4 will always be tried first |
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| 21:40.14 | haole | Dagger: well, something went wrong in my case... I have a small linux device connected to my laptop, which acts as a router |
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| 21:40.17 | haole | everything works except DNS |
| 21:40.20 | srged | I need to install Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack |
| 21:40.22 | srged | DerUlf: |
| 21:40.33 | infernix | yay |
| 21:40.38 | haole | this device doesn't support IPv6, but if I ping for example google.com, I get: |
| 21:40.39 | haole | PING google.com (2607:f8b0:4010:801::1006): 56 data bytes ping: can't create raw socket: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 21:40.41 | DerUlf | sure you do srged |
| 21:40.46 | infernix | "The way it's solved for readline-dependent shells in Debian is by providing several relevant bindings in /etc/inputrc" |
| 21:40.54 | infernix | super weird that i suddenly need to define those though |
| 21:41.11 | infernix | i have an inputrc on some servers, not on others |
| 21:41.29 | infernix | and /etc/inputrc is not in any package. no idea what generates it |
| 21:42.00 | Dagger | haole: er... that's not Debian, presumably? |
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| 21:42.14 | srged | DerUlf: can I do with with apt-get ? |
| 21:42.32 | haole | Dagger: my host is, my client is not... I'm not sure where the problem is (client or host) |
| 21:42.45 | infernix | ha! readline-common.postinst: install_from_default /usr/share/readline/inputrc /etc/inputrc |
| 21:42.53 | haole | Dagger: by analyzing with Wireshark, I can see that the client queries AAAA first |
| 21:42.56 | haole | is this normal? |
| 21:43.13 | nyk2005 | I want to find a document I printed on my cups printer. In /var/spool/cups, there are only the job decriptions. But where is the actual data to be printed stored? |
| 21:43.14 | DerUlf | srged, there is a nice online manual on this, please google for it |
| 21:43.15 | Dagger | haole: can you pastebin `ifconfig` or `ipconfig` or whatever it is on the client? I'm wondering if you do in fact have v6 on it |
| 21:43.26 | haole | sure |
| 21:43.43 | Dagger | haole: it doesn't matter which order the queries go out in, the resolver waits for all responses and then sorts them according to what address families you have configured |
| 21:43.49 | infernix | mystery solved |
| 21:43.55 | Dagger | (roughly "AAAA responses first if you have v6, otherwise A first") |
| 21:43.58 | nyk2005 | If anywhere... (because it was a "electronic ticket" printed with a wrong driver from windows) |
| 21:44.13 | haole | Dagger: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6185054 |
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| 21:46.36 | Dagger | haole: what OS is it? because that looks very much like Linux, but the linux `ping` binary won't even do v6 (you need to use `ping6` for that, but that one won't do v4) |
| 21:47.01 | haole | Dagger: uname -a >> Linux (none) 3.3.8-3.0 #1 SMP Tue Aug 26 13:07:29 BRT 2014 mips GNU/Linux |
| 21:47.06 | haole | it was built with buildroot |
| 21:47.12 | haole | but I can't change the kernel's config |
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| 21:48.13 | Dagger | ah, maybe the `ping` is from busybox (which, perhaps, doesn't have the retarded ping/ping6 split) |
| 21:48.28 | DarsVaeda | can ignore the untrusted packages when doing apt-get install ? |
| 21:48.56 | jmcnaught | nyk2005: have you tried accessing the CUPS web interface at http://localhost:631/ (change localhost for the computer's name if it's not the same computer) |
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| 21:49.28 | jmd | Anyone know about CUPS / ppd files? I have recently upgraded and whenever I try to print, the error message I get is "Failed to load PPM image" |
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| 21:50.25 | haole | Dagger: do you know if it's possible to configure my client to ignore the ipv6 queries? |
| 21:50.30 | haole | I mean, their responses |
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| 21:50.56 | ctmjr | DarsVaeda: you should not have any untrusted packages unless you added something odd to your sources list |
| 21:51.03 | Jonny135 | Hi!!! I have a problem with the foling program: find, awk and xargs. I have directory with some directory inside with the name that start with X or Y. Inside those director there is a file that I would like to copy. At the moment I can extract the right command with this sequence of command: find test -name X* -type d | awk -F "/" '{print "cp -v test/" $2 "/info /opt/" $2 "/Resources/"}' |
| 21:51.21 | DarsVaeda | ctmjr, I'm providing my "own" packages from my own sources list |
| 21:51.30 | Jonny135 | My problem is that I don't know how to execute the command |
| 21:51.50 | Jonny135 | I'm tring with xargs, but I can't figure out the right way to use it. |
| 21:52.16 | DarsVaeda | agh --allow-unauthenticated works :) |
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| 21:52.22 | Dagger | haole: I can't think of a global way. a lot of software has -4 flags, and you can fiddle with /etc/gai.conf to always sort v4 to the top, but that's supposed to happen automatically |
| 21:52.48 | haole | Dagger: this damn rootfs doesn't even have a gai.conf file haha thanks :) |
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| 21:53.39 | Dagger | haole: on my Debian system it's completely commented out by default, so not having the file shouldn't be a problem... |
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| 21:56.50 | Jonny135 | When I execute the command that I told before I have this output: cp -v test/Xq.q/info /opt/Xq.q/Resources/ ,it exactly what I would like to execute, |
| 21:58.49 | nyk2005 | jmcnaught: yes, but there I just see the information, that the job was cancelled, which is stored in /var/spool/cups. But where is the *data*? (deleted probably?) |
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| 22:00.08 | srged | can someone help with detcted uSB in virtualbox ? |
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| 22:10.51 | Jonny135 | I solved putting | bash at the end of the cmd. If it a good idea? There is others better methods? |
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| 22:13.58 | Brigo | Jonny135, yes, and yes, but don't ask me just know :) |
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| 22:15.03 | Jonny135 | Brigo: some hint of witch road I have to take? |
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| 22:16.37 | Brigo | Jonny135, you do not need awk, find can exec the command too. |
| 22:17.13 | Jonny135 | Brigo: I know, but I need awk to create the right cmd |
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| 22:36.36 | moju | Is there anyone here on testing/unstable that is using docker? |
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| 22:36.52 | moju | I've installed the docker.io package, but my containers can't talk to the outside world |
| 22:36.58 | moju | just wondering if this is just me or not? |
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| 22:51.14 | Densukke | hello |
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| 22:55.21 | Densukke | can anyone hel me out with rancid+cvsweb? |
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| 23:00.12 | srged | anone familiar with Virtualox? |
| 23:00.18 | srged | anone familiar with VirtualBox? |
| 23:00.59 | teraflops | srged: not me, but i think you are asking the wrong way |
| 23:01.10 | jmcnaught | !ask |
| 23:01.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:01.55 | srged | I cannot connect the uSB to the virtualbox machine |
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| 23:03.55 | Densukke | ok thx dpkg will try.. |
| 23:04.37 | srged | I cannot connect the uSB to the virtualbox machine. It says "no usb connected" but the usb is plugged in |
| 23:04.52 | Densukke | Im trying to setup cvsweb, using the repos that rancid creates in order to view them in a web browser |
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| 23:05.34 | jmcnaught | srged: from what I understand the "open source edition" of VirtualBox that is packaged by Debian does not include the USB pass-through feature. If I'm wrong, there would probably be an option for passing USB devices to the guest in the VM's properties. |
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| 23:06.02 | Densukke | and I manly get cvs checkout No cvsroot specified! |
| 23:06.08 | Densukke | anyone can help me? |
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| 23:07.42 | srged | jmcnaught: it does have the options and I have installed the pack and I enabled everything. yet when I click on the USB icon it says "no device connected" |
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| 23:09.45 | jmcnaught | srged: sorry I don't use VirtualBox so my knowledge doesn't go much further than what I said above. I use libvirt+KVM (with virt-manager for a GUI), and USB pass-through works on it. Another advantage to KVM is it doesn't require an external kernel module (and linux-headers-*, dkms) |
| 23:10.15 | srged | ok thx |
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| 23:39.58 | l_r | does debian support uefi ? |
| 23:40.02 | l_r | debian 7.6 |
| 23:40.12 | l_r | i want to install it next to windows 8.1 |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell l_r about uefi |
| 23:40.58 | sinerasis | i've got a debian webserver box that i can't seem to connect to a remote smtp server (gmail) using php. script works fine on another box. so i'm guessing i need a way to monitor port 465 to see if anything is getting through, or even see if it's shutdown or something all together. thoughts? |
| 23:42.07 | l_r | abrotman, does not work? |
| 23:42.11 | l_r | ok |
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| 23:42.13 | somiaj | sinerasis: are you trying to connect via smtp (port 25) or using a secure layer. Is this other box on the same network? Is this box on a home network or a remote datacenter? |
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| 23:42.55 | abrotman | sinerasis: tcptraceroute ? |
| 23:43.06 | somiaj | l_r: re-read the factoid he sent you. Yes debian wheezy supports efi boot (but not secure boot) |
| 23:43.29 | sinerasis | somiaj: ssl on port 465, remote (digital ocean, i'm connected via ssh) |
| 23:43.59 | l_r | do i have full control with graphical installation as much as the textual installation? |
| 23:44.35 | l_r | i want to decide any advanced thing the installer might propose |
| 23:44.38 | somiaj | l_r: depends on what you mean. There is normal and expert install. The graphical will have the same features as the text base in both cases. |
| 23:44.49 | somiaj | so you would want the expert graphical install |
| 23:45.06 | l_r | but there is not such option from the live usb boot |
| 23:45.14 | sinerasis | abrotman: tcptraceroute appears to work :( |
| 23:45.28 | sinerasis | 11 hops |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | appears to work ? |
| 23:45.29 | l_r | don't tell me i have to download another image |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 23:45.45 | sinerasis | well it tells me the port is open and my script should be working |
| 23:45.53 | somiaj | l_r: oh you are using a debian live image. Those are different and will not support efi, pluss do not have a full installer (they more do an image install of the live system). What I am descibing requires an offical debiann installer for wheezy |
| 23:45.58 | abrotman | l_r: live usb isn't the normal installer .. |
| 23:46.10 | l_r | ufff |
| 23:46.17 | l_r | they should have mentioned that |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | ifyou'd have asked here before hand, we would have pointed you at the correct installer |
| 23:46.28 | l_r | how could i know |
| 23:46.30 | l_r | ok |
| 23:47.04 | somiaj | l_r: the debian live is a live cd, not an installer cd. Yes it provides a way to copy the live install to the drive. And now you know (: |
| 23:48.07 | l_r | does the firt installer cd (iso) give me a full kde desktop? i only have one usb key,cannot boot from dvd read,as it does not exist |
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| 23:48.28 | l_r | or at least a default desktop |
| 23:48.34 | l_r | i'd copy the iso to the key |
| 23:48.38 | l_r | one iso... |
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| 23:50.08 | somiaj | l_r: if you grab the net-install image and goto 'advanced' at the boot you can select which desktop you want and install everything from the internet (there is also a non-free firmware image if you use a card that requires non-free firmware) |
| 23:50.27 | somiaj | l_r: if you want to grab cd1, you need to grab the cd for the desktop you want. So there should be a kde cd1 iso |
| 23:50.36 | Sl0vi | i keep getting a warning, perl: warning: setting locale failed. |
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| 23:50.47 | Sl0vi | but locale seems to be set correctly |
| 23:50.49 | somiaj | Sl0vi: apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales -- pick the one you want |
| 23:51.08 | l_r | ok,let's go with the net-install 7.6 |
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| 23:51.34 | somiaj | maybe you set the locale to one that you haven't generated, and just need to run the dpkg-reconfigure locales command and tell it to generate the locales you would use |
| 23:51.50 | somiaj | !tell l_r about firmware installer |
| 23:52.19 | somiaj | l_r: you may want to just grab the firmware installer if you plan to use wifi or have a wired card that requires firmware. This could just save some hedache if you do. If you don't require firmware, the installer will work the same anyways. |
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| 23:52.57 | Sl0vi | somiaj: I have done that, but I keep getting that warning |
| 23:53.18 | somiaj | !tell l_r about firmware images |
| 23:53.35 | somiaj | l_r: sorry now I sent you the right facoid |
| 23:54.07 | somiaj | Sl0vi: I have to go, but others may help. Give them a copy of 'locale' output and the output of a perl command that gives you the error at paste.debian.net, maybe someone can see somehting you should check |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | ties somiaj to the chair |
| 23:54.31 | l_r | somiaj, probably i don't need any firmware, everything is intel based supposed to work with the things already in the kernel |
| 23:54.43 | abrotman | l_r: is it a laptop? |
| 23:54.46 | l_r | yes |
| 23:54.52 | somiaj | l_r: okay, intel wifi still requires firmware, but their wired works fine |
| 23:54.54 | abrotman | your intel wifi neesd firmware |
| 23:55.11 | l_r | damn... |
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| 23:55.40 | somiaj | just grab the firmware netinstall image link I sent you, (: |
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| 23:55.48 | abrotman | (and some intel wired cards need firmware also) |
| 23:55.49 | l_r | ok |
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