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| 00:02.08 | ska | Whats the easiest way to compile a kernel that automatically patches and configures (but not compiles).. I did it a few months ago but forgot. |
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| 00:41.46 | linuxator__ | my user home folder was accidently deleted.how to fix this??? |
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| 00:42.31 | abrotman | restore from backup |
| 00:42.34 | TJP | restore from your backup or find a good recovery tool (do NOT write anything to your drive if you choose this route) |
| 00:42.46 | linuxator__ | i also can't log in root account which is not permitted |
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| 00:43.27 | TJP | yeah sounds like time to restore |
| 00:44.11 | jhutchins | TJP: nmap |
| 00:45.01 | TJP | jholden, zenmap is the gui for nmap. going to be used by folks that are not cmd line savy |
| 00:45.26 | TJP | jhutchins, , zenmap is the gui for nmap. going to be used by folks that are not cmd line savy |
| 00:45.34 | TJP | sorry jholden |
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| 00:54.07 | child | someone here have a sugestion for me to back my server? I'm trying rsync but I have broken pipe and it fails because of the remote section.... |
| 00:54.16 | child | backup |
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| 00:57.27 | abrotman | broken pipe? |
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| 01:01.06 | Abbott | if I am installing debian on a 64 bit machine, i would want the amd64 image, right? |
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| 01:02.36 | abrotman | Abbott: x86_64, yes |
| 01:02.52 | abrotman | (there are ppc64 and sparc64 and arm64 also) |
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| 01:03.04 | abrotman | oh, and Itanium .. but no one uses that :) |
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| 01:03.19 | Abbott | i only see amd64 on here: https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | sure, use amd64 |
| 01:03.37 | Abbott | okay cool, thanks |
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| 01:06.54 | child | abroatman yes, the remote section closes suddenly and my backup with rsync fail |
| 01:07.27 | child | before finish the job |
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| 01:11.22 | funnyfingers | hey sexyboy, uninstalled the gmd3 and still same thing, I think the best errors are saying unable to start dbus session-bus. |
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| 01:12.16 | funnyfingers | no DBUS session-bus found. |
| 01:14.40 | funnyfingers | OH! |
| 01:15.09 | funnyfingers | You know what it could be, I changed my UIDs for both users for working with a remote nfs server... |
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| 01:17.50 | abrotman | funnyfingers: is dbus installed and running? |
| 01:19.45 | funnyfingers | abrotman just figured it out, it is because I changed my uid in /etc/passwd to match an nfs server. Wasn't thinking that would affect anything. Just changing it back fixed it. |
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| 01:21.31 | vak0160 | is it wise to install zram to debian? |
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| 01:22.13 | abrotman | funnyfingers: interesting .. might want to file a bug on that |
| 01:22.28 | abrotman | funnyfingers: you changed your numeric ID? or your text UID? |
| 01:22.38 | funnyfingers | numeric |
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| 01:23.51 | funnyfingers | my user is william he was 1000 I changed him to 1001 in /etc/passwd to match my william on an nfs share. I see now that all my permissions are 1000:william since 1000 is unknown and william is a group. |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 01:24.38 | funnyfingers | so either I try now with usermod and not sure if that updates that part or chown own on my home directory... |
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| 01:26.01 | Abbott | the debian installer is asking me to set up a username and a root password before asking me which disk i wabt to install it on, is that normal or am i overwriting my operating system? |
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| 01:26.51 | funnyfingers | I don't think it would need it for an existing one. |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | Abbott: it will ask you before it writes to the disk |
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| 01:36.16 | funnyfingers | usermod -u changes the id and properly changed all the uids in the permissions and all works now. |
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| 01:37.53 | tapout | I've got 2 SSD drives in my machine that are raided (isp did it). I want to turn off the raid, but can I do it without having to restart? I should be able too, no ? |
| 01:37.58 | tapout | to |
| 01:38.34 | funnyfingers | mirrored? |
| 01:39.18 | tapout | ya |
| 01:39.20 | Cpuroast | tapout: raid 1 or raid 0 |
| 01:39.20 | Cpuroast | ? |
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| 01:39.41 | Cpuroast | tapout: depends on how the raid is implemented |
| 01:39.47 | Cpuroast | mdadm or hardware |
| 01:39.53 | tapout | 1 |
| 01:39.56 | tapout | mdadm |
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| 01:40.25 | Cpuroast | a quick google on how to break an mdadm mirror |
| 01:40.30 | Cpuroast | should do the trick |
| 01:40.33 | funnyfingers | in fstab it is booting to the raid, if mirrored you can remove the drive, but not the raid as you are still booted to it. |
| 01:40.45 | cynicallemon | breaks a mirror with a hammer |
| 01:40.50 | funnyfingers | I think anyway... |
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| 01:41.31 | Cpuroast | tapout: why do you want to break the mirror in the 1st place? |
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| 01:42.01 | tapout | only have 160GB ssd... 90% used.. wanna put the databases on one, everything else on the other |
| 01:42.18 | tapout | i'm killing my leaseweb box, and it won't all fit :( |
| 01:42.41 | Cpuroast | tapout: and redundancy isn't important? |
| 01:43.34 | abrotman | tapout: have you considered trying to clean the drives from cruft? |
| 01:43.58 | Cpuroast | tapout: yah, that probably a better idea and keep the mirror active |
| 01:44.07 | tapout | i'm looking at cleaning up the drives as we speak, you're kinda making me worried hehe |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | tapout: RAID is generally considered better than single drives |
| 01:46.10 | abrotman | tapout: do you even know what's using all your HDD space? |
| 01:46.24 | supaplex | so long as RAID includes redundancy (instead of plain striping) |
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| 01:54.39 | tapout | web hosting, files, and database files |
| 01:54.47 | tapout | only 160GB drives |
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| 01:57.40 | sithfm | anyone using trill or spb on their lans? |
| 01:58.03 | inthl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.05 | inthl | what is this? that happens for any executable |
| 01:58.11 | inthl | and what are possible reasons for this? |
| 01:58.15 | inthl | cgconfigparser; error loading /etc/cgconfig.conf: This kernel does not support this feature |
| 01:58.23 | inthl | google says nothing on both issues I am having trouble with withing now 2 nights |
| 01:59.13 | inthl | due to these issues I am totally unable to get cgroups running, I have no idea why since the docs state nothing about this |
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| 02:12.54 | TJP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.04 | TJP | what step do they seem to be missing or what might I have done wrong? |
| 02:13.11 | abrotman | looks at the crosspost with scorn |
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| 02:14.41 | TJP | do what you like abrotman. Sometimes people will help here and sometimes there. |
| 02:14.51 | TJP | Any help is appreciated |
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| 02:16.45 | TJP | besides, there are more folks in this channel. Why would it be a bad thing to post here as well? |
| 02:16.53 | TJP | ^ abrotman |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | pick one! |
| 02:19.53 | TJP | and if I don't get a response go to the other. Ok, that makes sense, as long as that is in fact what you are implying. Otherwise it seems just unreasonable. |
| 02:20.34 | TJP | I apologize. I am still new to the irc debian community and do not know what you find permissible or not. |
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| 02:24.48 | abrotman | it's permissible, just annoying :) |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | TJP: make config works ? |
| 02:26.00 | TJP | abrotman, not sure. how do I check? |
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| 02:26.38 | abrotman | run .. make config ? |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | or make oldconfig |
| 02:27.11 | TJP | no rule on both |
| 02:27.21 | TJP | No rule to make target |
| 02:28.15 | TJP | I feel like there should have been a step before running make to set it up or something right? |
| 02:28.32 | TJP | all I see here is a git clone though maybe it's using that? |
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| 02:49.06 | DanDare | What a mess is awstat package on Debian :/ |
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| 02:49.30 | cynicallemon | DanDare: then make it better... |
| 02:49.42 | DanDare | cynicallemon, yeah, sure |
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| 02:52.37 | linuxator__ | my user home folder was accidently deleted.how to fix this??? |
| 02:53.11 | pfsense_rookie | go to wastebasket |
| 02:53.28 | pfsense_rookie | unless it skipped the wastebasket |
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| 02:54.00 | abrotman | linuxator__: we told you, restore from backup |
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| 02:54.54 | linuxator__ | there is bo backup tp restore |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | then you cannot |
| 02:55.15 | linuxator__ | there is no backup to restore |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | Nothing you can do then |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | You were told hours ago to stop writing to the drive, I'm sure you ignored that advice, right? |
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| 02:56.12 | pfsense_rookie | there are data recovery tools, but is not quite simple and if you have written over where your files were stored there is no chance for you. |
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| 02:57.27 | TJP | If nothing else linuxator__ I suppose this will show you how important backups are. easy enough to setup and forget too these days. |
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| 02:58.24 | TJP | sorry for your lost data. I know it sucks to start from scratch. Hopefully you have flashdrives or something with some of it somewhere else. |
| 02:59.36 | pfsense_rookie | linuxator__ have a look at TestDisk, but do not be very hopeful. |
| 02:59.55 | TJP | abrotman, did you get a chance to look at the instructions they provided? I'm too new at this to know what I should be doing. I can try to follow the cross compiling but I don't really understand what I should do for my situation (just recompiling their kernel with an added package or two |
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| 03:04.33 | DanDare | linuxator__, I used this once and it worked http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ for ext3 or ext4 partitions |
| 03:05.38 | linuxator__ | pfsense_rookie: testdeik was wirking fine until i ran 'mkfs -S /dev/sdc1' and 'fsck-ext4'which reallocted some blocks |
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| 03:06.16 | phy1729 | what is rpcbind and rpc.statd ? |
| 03:06.29 | TJP | security holes |
| 03:06.35 | phy1729 | and why is it being started by default |
| 03:06.50 | TJP | because they MIGHT be used. |
| 03:06.58 | phy1729 | It's not a security hold for me since I have a default deny firewall |
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| 03:07.03 | TJP | if you are not using them or if you just don't know, close the ports |
| 03:07.03 | phy1729 | Can I safely disable it? |
| 03:07.13 | TJP | generally yes |
| 03:08.19 | phy1729 | so just unlink S13rpcbind from all /etc/rc*.d/ s ? |
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| 03:09.10 | TJP | I believe so, but I don't remember for sure |
| 03:09.24 | TJP | I think I still had something trying to start it up |
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| 03:26.54 | Abbott | debian installer is seeing my 4tb drive as a 2.2tb and 1.2tb drive, is that normal? |
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| 03:28.14 | metaspike | it is if it has partitions on it already. |
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| 03:29.00 | acu | Hey guys - I am trying since long to get a proper answer, for the ideal partitioning for a KVM host - here it is: |
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| 03:29.23 | acu | first you need to have separate partitions /boot / /home/ usr/ /var /var/log /var/tmp /tmp, except /boot everything should be in a VGgroups as LVMs - what is the "recommended sizes" for a kvm host ? |
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| 03:33.41 | Abbott | it looks like its reading it as teo disks, is it actually just teo partitions? http://i.imgur.com/zZDVQY5h.jpg |
| 03:33.49 | Abbott | *two |
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| 03:36.30 | pav5088 | I'm looking for a well supported 10gb network card... preferably using free firmware. I don't care about the medium (CAT6 vs Fibre etc...) because I'll be connecting two machines directly together. |
| 03:36.37 | pav5088 | Any tips? |
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| 03:40.47 | linuxator__ | i just wanna copy a home folder even as new user |
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| 03:46.16 | fling | does this mean I only need evdev? -> http://dpaste.com/2ZQEKHT |
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| 03:46.39 | fling | Can you guys help me which xorg driver is used for the touchpad? |
| 03:46.51 | fling | and where are config files loaded from? |
| 03:46.55 | fling | whole log -> http://dpaste.com/09AE2TZ |
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| 03:47.16 | fling | touchpad works fine on this system but I want to duplicate settings to another one |
| 03:47.27 | jamiedimon | JPMorganChase loves Debian. |
| 03:49.29 | Shadow_7 | fling: you might look at xinput to fiddle with settings after starting X |
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| 03:53.23 | Abhijit | how can i sign the Release file |
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| 03:56.01 | zero56 | Hi anyone? I need some help with building a program. |
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| 03:57.04 | somiaj | zero56: just ask your question. Though are you building from debian source or from some third party source? |
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| 03:58.01 | zero56 | this a program called non daw |
| 03:58.09 | zero56 | http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Downloads |
| 03:59.08 | Shadow_7 | zero56: does the sources have an INSTALL file? |
| 03:59.23 | Shadow_7 | or a READ.me or similar |
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| 03:59.45 | zero56 | yes i have downloaded the file |
| 04:00.22 | zero56 | it dose have a "make" but i dont know how to use it any more |
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| 04:02.22 | Shadow_7 | zero56: traditionally ... ./configure && make && make install |
| 04:03.14 | Shadow_7 | zero56: although others use other things like scons, hg, and stuff. Or make -f Makefile for smaller programs. |
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| 04:03.35 | zero56 | I know but how do i enter that in the termnal |
| 04:05.01 | Shadow_7 | looks like that one uses waf. cat README.build | less |
| 04:05.33 | zero56 | will scons build it for me. |
| 04:05.35 | zero56 | ? |
| 04:06.09 | Shadow_7 | zero56: follow the instructions in README.build |
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| 04:07.16 | zero56 | there is not thing there really. |
| 04:07.19 | Shadow_7 | There's also a channel for it. #non on freenode |
| 04:08.49 | zero56 | No one talks there. |
| 04:09.55 | Shadow_7 | there's a debian package for it. apt-get install non-daw non-mixer non-sequencer |
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| 04:10.58 | Shadow_7 | although that doesn't answer your compile question |
| 04:11.02 | zero56 | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 04:11.15 | zero56 | This is what i get? |
| 04:11.30 | Shadow_7 | you have to be root for the apt-get |
| 04:11.49 | Shadow_7 | via su or using sudo for the command (assuming configured) |
| 04:11.50 | fling | Shadow_7: thanks |
| 04:13.24 | zero56 | my paswword is faling |
| 04:14.12 | Shadow_7 | did you accidently hit the caps key? |
| 04:14.54 | zero56 | I am puting it in right. I mean i have used it to login but th there terminal its not working for some reason. |
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| 04:18.45 | Shadow_7 | zero56: if there's something else using apt, that could prevent your from using apt. But that's not login related. |
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| 04:22.09 | zero56 | updating software one sec.. i will try again. |
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| 04:23.08 | _mercenary_ | hello i need help spelling my name |
| 04:23.23 | zero56 | lol |
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| 04:23.57 | stangeland | is it possible to automaitically mount new disks under /media ? |
| 04:24.08 | _mercenary_ | yes |
| 04:24.18 | stangeland | _mercenary_, how is that done? |
| 04:24.26 | _mercenary_ | guns dont kill people, i kill people |
| 04:24.28 | _mercenary_ | with guns |
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| 04:24.41 | _mercenary_ | i am a gun |
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| 04:26.07 | _mercenary_ | Question: if 2 blue fish + 7 orange camels = 72 virgins in my head does that mean im a furry? |
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| 04:27.03 | _mercenary_ | i bought a new pc and it tells me to press any button to continue, WHERE IS THE ANY BUTTON?! |
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| 04:28.28 | _mercenary_ | someone pls help this a serious matter |
| 04:29.28 | _mercenary_ | omg u guys need to help me i need to talk to my mum in iraq |
| 04:29.38 | _mercenary_ | but i cant without finding the any button |
| 04:29.47 | stangeland | _mercenary_, be quiet |
| 04:30.02 | _mercenary_ | but my mum :( |
| 04:30.52 | _mercenary_ | is J.F.K dead yet? |
| 04:31.01 | _mercenary_ | i hate him |
| 04:31.13 | _mercenary_ | and his mom she giv bad blowjobs |
| 04:31.18 | c^ | _mercenary_ > stfu |
| 04:32.06 | _mercenary_ | im sorry i didnt know you were american, my cousin went to america once |
| 04:32.17 | _mercenary_ | and blew up some buildings lol |
| 04:32.25 | c^ | -_- |
| 04:32.29 | _mercenary_ | im pakistan |
| 04:32.39 | c^ | rollsaway |
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| 04:32.50 | _mercenary_ | im 12 yrs old and like killing people |
| 04:33.01 | _mercenary_ | i play call of duty |
| 04:33.07 | _mercenary_ | irl |
| 04:33.15 | _mercenary_ | 1v1 |
| 04:33.42 | LtL | !ops _mercenary_ is trolling heavily |
| 04:33.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: _mercenary_ is trolling heavily |
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| 04:34.22 | _mercenary_ | in my sparetime i make poprocks out of c4 |
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| 04:35.07 | _mercenary_ | anyway where is the any button |
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| 04:35.39 | _mercenary_ | wtf i hit enter and now it is starting up, windows are liars |
| 04:35.40 | LtL | _mercenary_: that joke s 20 years old foo |
| 04:36.08 | _mercenary_ | LtL are you american? |
| 04:36.19 | Abbott | is it possible to format gpt in debian installer? |
| 04:36.39 | _mercenary_ | coz if u r i wanna thank for providing me and my friends with ak-47's |
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| 04:37.06 | _mercenary_ | this chatroom is terrible |
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| 04:40.38 | somiaj | Abbott: from wheezy onward yes, it even supports efi boot. |
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| 04:48.56 | zero56 | I am be missing something to install this i just ran make install ect its not working. |
| 04:49.38 | somiaj | zero56: install what? |
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| 04:50.01 | somiaj | did you install all the build dependencies and the likes. |
| 04:50.19 | zero56 | non daw http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Downloads |
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| 05:09.07 | fling | Shadow_7: I see touchpad in `xinput --list` what to do next? |
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| 05:12.25 | fling | Shadow_7: s/touchpad/touchscreen/ |
| 05:12.48 | Shadow_7 | fling: xinput by itself... the id=# for the device... xinput --list-props # |
| 05:13.26 | Shadow_7 | and then --set-prop #(of device) ##(of property) ###(new value) |
| 05:13.45 | fling | Shadow_7: so should I just use --set-prop on the target system/ |
| 05:13.46 | Shadow_7 | where 0=false and 1=true |
| 05:14.07 | Shadow_7 | on my pi the #'s seems to change between boots |
| 05:15.04 | fling | Shadow_7: I can grep '#' form `xinput --list` output :> |
| 05:15.22 | Shadow_7 | At least the number for the property, sometimes 244, sometimes 245 for my trackball mouse |
| 05:15.32 | fling | DOH |
| 05:15.52 | Shadow_7 | for the emulate 3 button property... since 3 is always assumed now |
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| 05:16.11 | fling | Shadow_7: btw don't I need tslib or something if it is working fine with evdev (as seen in X log)? |
| 05:16.36 | fling | I do only need left button |
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| 05:17.00 | Shadow_7 | idk.. some pads have different things... tpconfig and other tools of old |
| 05:17.46 | Shadow_7 | used to mousedev.taptime=0 to the kernel back the day. hated touch to click functionality |
| 05:18.16 | Shadow_7 | now mousedev isn't a kernel module at all |
| 05:18.45 | fling | Shadow_7: Copied settings from the source system. I'll try to get these settings working on the target system! |
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| 05:19.22 | fling | Shadow_7: I hope I will be just able to setup this via /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/something |
| 05:19.22 | Shadow_7 | mostly I needed the 3 button emulaion for window resizing in cwm |
| 05:19.47 | fling | I'm building a tiny image for informational kiosks for boot over internets |
| 05:19.50 | Shadow_7 | fling: probably... might have to use literal name-age of xinput output |
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| 05:20.17 | fling | Shadow_7: what more useful info about this input can I get from the source system? |
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| 05:20.33 | fling | Shadow_7: is not there something I can just copy to target? |
| 05:20.45 | ChibaPet | So, I just nuked PulseAudio off of my system, and ALSA is mixing from multiple sources all by itself. Who knew? |
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| 05:21.08 | fling | ChibaPet: everyone |
| 05:21.18 | fling | ChibaPet: it has dmix for ages |
| 05:21.37 | Shadow_7 | ChibaPet: you used to need to configure dmix... now it's by default |
| 05:22.13 | cynicallemon | even more reason to ditch pulse |
| 05:22.16 | ChibaPet | \o/ |
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| 05:22.27 | Shadow_7 | pulse is bloated... 100mb + 10% less performance |
| 05:22.45 | Shadow_7 | you still need pulse for java and skype |
| 05:22.51 | ChibaPet | Oh? |
| 05:22.51 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 05:23.38 | ChibaPet | Hm, no, Java still makes the noises. |
| 05:23.57 | Shadow_7 | depends on the game |
| 05:24.13 | Shadow_7 | might only get the musak tracks if you enable all sounds |
| 05:24.24 | ChibaPet | Minecraft made the noises. |
| 05:24.33 | ChibaPet | Clicking of doors and such. |
| 05:24.49 | Shadow_7 | for the first hour... then your audio goes silent |
| 05:25.03 | ChibaPet | You're teasing me, yes? Or are things buggy? |
| 05:25.53 | Shadow_7 | behaviors I've seen with runescape |
| 05:25.55 | ChibaPet | Anyway. Had YouTube, Clementine, and Minecraft all making noises at once. Good stuff. |
| 05:26.06 | ChibaPet | If it does that I'll look for alternatives I guess. |
| 05:27.03 | Shadow_7 | youtube and hulu and others never show the same symptoms |
| 05:27.03 | ChibaPet | I was looking at top(1) and Pulse was right up there, and I thought to myself, "I don't even *want* that pile of cruft on my machine." |
| 05:27.26 | Shadow_7 | you'll probably need pulse for microphone input to skype |
| 05:27.43 | ChibaPet | I don't use Skype, so I'm safe. |
| 05:28.18 | Shadow_7 | and pulse is mildly useful if you have multiples soundcards |
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| 05:28.42 | ChibaPet | Onboard nVidia here. I have a fairly simple set-up at the moment. |
| 05:28.43 | Shadow_7 | "autospawn = "no"" in /etc/pulse/client.conf lets you toggle it's usage. |
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| 05:29.03 | Shadow_7 | without having to nuke it off the system |
| 05:29.19 | ChibaPet | Heh. Autospawn makes me think of the Zerg, and that PulseAudio has evolved into systemd. |
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| 05:29.33 | ChibaPet | Anyway, just wanted to share my joy. Have a good night. |
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| 05:31.17 | mirazi_heket | hello, got issue with screensavers like this : http://damnsmalllinux.org/static/act-Print/f-28/t-20018.html - how can i troubleshoot? |
| 05:31.26 | mirazi_heket | no idea how to edit config etc |
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| 05:36.39 | m0rtex | hey when i wanna download debian what are all the non .iso files for, do i need them? |
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| 05:37.38 | cynicallemon | m0rtex: you just need to download an iso |
| 05:38.21 | cynicallemon | m0rtex: you want to install or try live to start? |
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| 05:39.43 | m0rtex | i want to install |
| 05:39.59 | m0rtex | so u just need the three .isos, but 1 for minimal? |
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| 05:40.22 | cynicallemon | the first cd will get you installed |
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| 05:40.34 | m0rtex | ok |
| 05:40.47 | m0rtex | what are all the other files for though, the checksum and all of that |
| 05:40.57 | m0rtex | just a readme kinda thing? |
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| 05:41.32 | cynicallemon | checksums are to verify integrity of your download if you wish to do that |
| 05:41.36 | m0rtex | ok |
| 05:41.50 | m0rtex | and the other .isos... just extra apps? |
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| 05:44.24 | somiaj | m0rtex: depends, there are the netinstall image, the cd image for each desktop, and then the full dvd collection that would contain every debian package. |
| 05:44.47 | somiaj | in many cases the netinstall image is all you need |
| 05:44.49 | m0rtex | ok, might be useful if i plan on really getting into it |
| 05:45.07 | m0rtex | does steam work well on debian? |
| 05:45.53 | somiaj | wheezy libc6 is to old for steam. It works okay on jessie, but that is the testing suit and won't be released for about a year |
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| 05:46.15 | m0rtex | where can i download that? |
| 05:46.40 | somiaj | well jessie can be broken and if you dont' understand how debian works might not be the best to start out with |
| 05:47.05 | somiaj | but the suggested way to isntall jessie is to install the stable version wheezy and then dist-upgrade to jessie. The more minimial your system is the easier the upgrade can be. |
| 05:47.06 | m0rtex | yeh but kinda dependent on steam |
| 05:47.12 | m0rtex | oh ok |
| 05:47.21 | mirazi_heket | got issue with screensavers like this : http://damnsmalllinux.org/static/act-Print/f-28/t-20018.html - how can i solve that? |
| 05:47.33 | somiaj | just realize jessie has no secirty support, and may be broken or require you to manually fix things. It could be a pain |
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| 05:47.42 | m0rtex | ok |
| 05:47.51 | m0rtex | i got u guys to hassle with tech issues tho |
| 05:47.54 | m0rtex | ;) jk |
| 05:48.23 | somiaj | mirazi_heket: looks like you are missing some recomended or suggested packages. |
| 05:48.34 | mirazi_heket | umm which one? |
| 05:48.40 | somiaj | mirazi_heket: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 05:49.07 | somiaj | the first one is fairly obvious, it is the 'fortune' package to contain fortunes |
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| 05:49.39 | somiaj | looks like bubble3d is a part of the packge 'xscreensaver-gl' |
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| 05:50.15 | somiaj | xsnow is in the xsnow package. But I guess you can go though them one at a time and see what is missing. |
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| 05:50.29 | orzo | I need help with pinning a local apt repository. I have patched packages with the same version numbers as in official debian, but i want to configure my system to prefer my local repository no matter what. |
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| 05:51.51 | somiaj | orzo: well what have you tried and what isn't working. Though I think it is usually suggested you make a version revision in your custom packages to tell them apart from the debian ones. |
| 05:51.51 | cynicallemon | orzo: look here - https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 05:52.34 | orzo | well i already have the custom pacakges and dont really want to redo |
| 05:53.20 | orzo | i was trying what this this i found from google, http://serverfault.com/questions/506772/prioritise-repositories-in-ubuntu |
| 05:53.36 | orzo | Pin: release o=<issuer> |
| 05:53.53 | orzo | he says to use apt-cache policy to interpret what i need to put for issuer |
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| 05:54.08 | orzo | my local repository has both wheezy and jessie packages and i want to prio the jessie ones |
| 05:54.29 | orzo | nothing i do seems to have any effect |
| 05:54.38 | mirazi_heket | one sec |
| 05:55.45 | mirazi_heket | jessie/sid - testing |
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| 05:56.26 | mirazi_heket | damn, im benchmarking debian repo's cant even now install packages |
| 05:57.08 | orzo | this chan have a perfered pastebin? |
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| 05:59.10 | botnut | anyone have any thoughts on functional programming languages - i.e. scala, elixir, erlang, haskell ? |
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| 06:01.50 | orzo | http://paste.debian.net/118135/ |
| 06:02.01 | orzo | what thoughts? i like haskell |
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| 06:02.38 | orzo | i think functional will take over eventually |
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| 06:03.29 | orzo | anyway, my paste should be enough info to help me know what i should put in apt/preferences if anyone cares to help? |
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| 06:34.57 | PaulePanter | Hi. I am unable to get http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-6/openjdk-6-jre-headless_6b31-1.13.3-1~deb6u1_amd64.deb for Debian Squeeze. |
| 06:35.08 | PaulePanter | Are there alternative mirror sites? |
| 06:35.21 | PaulePanter | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using still lists that mirror. |
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| 06:36.32 | orzo | not a mirror, but i downloaded for you, http://jerkface.net/~joe/openjdk-6-jre-headless_6b31-1.13.3-1~deb6u1_amd64.deb |
| 06:36.41 | orzo | dunno why you have trouble with the other server |
| 06:39.50 | PaulePanter | orzo: Thanks a lot . |
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| 06:40.36 | rozie | hello. does anybody use davfs2 and webdav mounted drive and can check one simple thing? I have box.com account and when I perform df -h I get: |
| 06:40.40 | rozie | https://dav.box.com/dav/ 10G 3.5G 6.6G 35% /home/rozie/box.com |
| 06:40.49 | rozie | so, 3,5G is reported as used |
| 06:41.25 | rozie | du -hs in /home/rozie/box.com reports 6,7G |
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| 06:41.50 | rozie | files are OK, drive was remounted - the same |
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| 06:42.30 | rozie | I wonder if its just glitch in my setup, or should I report a bug |
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| 06:58.27 | mrtnt | If one updates the Debian machine, then when is it required to reboot the machine? Only in case of update of the kernel package? Or are there any other cases as well? |
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| 06:59.53 | redcheckers | mrtnt: what do you mean ' required' ? |
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| 07:31.26 | _HombreTepic | . |
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| 07:33.01 | _HombreTepic | hi, i'm a little lost, i want format a usb external disk wd elements of 1tb, but when i try to reformat the partition to ext2 with mkfs.ext2 -b 4096 /dev/sdc1, i just get Allocating group tables: done |
| 07:33.02 | _HombreTepic | Writing inode tables: done |
| 07:33.02 | _HombreTepic | ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir |
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| 07:34.25 | _HombreTepic | and get too a lot of errors of Device not ready in my dmesg, i guess is a problem with the usb interface but i dont know how format it without remove of the case |
| 07:34.31 | _HombreTepic | any idea? |
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| 07:36.27 | jelly-home | _HombreTepic: sounds like the device disconnected in the middle of mkfs, perhaps try using a different usb |
| 07:36.30 | jelly-home | port. |
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| 07:50.48 | edocod | hello |
| 07:50.56 | edocod | i have a problem with debian |
| 07:51.05 | edocod | i can't make the nvidia driver work |
| 07:51.10 | edocod | here's the log: http://paste.debian.net/118142/ |
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| 07:57.01 | edocod | looks like i didn't have nvidia-kernel installed |
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| 08:16.13 | tuor-work | hi, a programm says this: "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by x10flasher_lib/linux/lib64/udev/libusbx-1.0.so.0.1.0)" |
| 08:16.26 | ikonia | ok ? |
| 08:16.36 | tuor-work | what do this "x10flasher..." need? |
| 08:17.22 | ikonia | GLIBC_2.14 |
| 08:17.27 | cynicallemon | tuor-work: "a program says...." what program would that be? |
| 08:18.00 | tuor-work | when i run it. It print's on the stdout |
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| 08:18.09 | ikonia | that wasn't the question |
| 08:18.14 | ChrisH | tuor-work: aptitude search glibc |
| 08:18.49 | ikonia | glibc will already be on the system |
| 08:18.49 | ikonia | or it would not be running..... |
| 08:19.22 | tuor-work | ikonia, oh sorry. It is an android flashing tool. (http://www.flashtool.net) |
| 08:19.51 | jelly | tuor-work: this tool wasn't built for Debian 7 but some other distro or release. If there is source code, you can rebuild it from source. |
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| 08:21.07 | tuor-work | jelly, oh ok. I'll look for it. But how do you know it? I meen for the future so I can see it meaby by my self... |
| 08:21.46 | ikonia | because it's built against a different glibc version |
| 08:21.54 | ikonia | if it was built for debian it would be built against the version debian is using |
| 08:22.21 | jelly | tuor-work: look at the version of the package that contains /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
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| 08:23.26 | jelly | tuor-work: or the symbols defined, objdump -p /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
| 08:23.54 | tuor-work | it's the version libc-2.13.so |
| 08:25.08 | tuor-work | yea i only have 2.13. So it's compiled with 2.14. So If i don't have the sourcecode i can not us it? |
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| 08:26.19 | ChrisH | tuor-work: yes. get the source or have someone recompile it for Debian 7 |
| 08:26.31 | tuor-work | ok. thx! |
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| 08:29.03 | nbl | Hi =) |
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| 08:41.16 | mrtnt | redcheckers: I mean I can't use the new kernel if I haven't rebooted the machine. Are there any other such applications? Probably bootloader as well. |
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| 08:50.57 | RickyB98 | i'm trying to establish an ssl connection to my email's pop3 server with openssl, running this command: openssl s_client -connect pop3.live.com . problem is that once the connection is established, it won't let me type USER user to authenticate as that returns nothing.. how do i solve? |
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| 08:51.34 | RickyB98 | pop3.live.com:995 actually |
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| 08:55.29 | jelly | RickyB98: does it work with some other pop3s service? |
| 08:55.47 | RickyB98 | i don't know, that's the only email i have |
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| 08:57.30 | jelly | RickyB98: oh. Does it work with a different client, like mutt -f pops://pop3.live.com/ ? |
| 08:57.38 | RickyB98 | never tried... |
| 08:57.41 | RickyB98 | let's see |
| 08:57.57 | RickyB98 | looks like mutt is not installed :\ |
| 08:57.59 | RickyB98 | wait |
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| 08:59.18 | RickyB98 | it said 'this account has pop disabled' and something |
| 08:59.22 | RickyB98 | i couldn't read that so fast |
| 08:59.38 | RickyB98 | but i need something that outputs plain text, as i have to parse it later on |
| 08:59.50 | RickyB98 | jelly, i gotta go now.. |
| 08:59.56 | RickyB98 | maybe i'll ttyl |
| 09:00.02 | RickyB98 | cya |
| 09:00.05 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 09:10.32 | zetheroo | when booting up one of our Debian Wheezy VM's it goes to a black screen with nothing but the mouse cursor. |
| 09:10.42 | zetheroo | How does one fix this? |
| 09:10.58 | zetheroo | I can ssh into the machine |
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| 09:12.29 | ectospasm | zetheroo: is it running a GUI? |
| 09:12.30 | tremon | zetheroo: so the system is booting fine, but none of the VTs are active? Can you ctrl-alt-f1 on the console, and check if at least VT1 is active? |
| 09:13.34 | zetheroo | ctrl-alt-f1 bring me to terminal login |
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| 09:14.07 | zetheroo | ectospasm: well it seems it's trying to |
| 09:14.11 | tremon | ok, then X is not starting properly. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:15.57 | tremon | do you want to have a graphical environment at all on that machine? And if so, do you have a dislpay manager (xdm, gdm, kdm) installed? |
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| 09:16.23 | zetheroo | log file shows: http://paste.debian.net/118150/ |
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| 09:17.32 | zetheroo | tremon: yes, to wanting a graphical environment - just the simple default for Wheezy |
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| 09:18.31 | zetheroo | do I have to install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:18.32 | zetheroo | ? |
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| 09:19.15 | tremon | gnome will not run on the qemu cirrus emulation, no dri. Try xfce or lxde instead, but no dri should (hopefully) not prevent gdm from starting |
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| 09:19.54 | zetheroo | tremon: but we have it running fine on another Wheezy Vm on the same host |
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| 09:20.05 | tremon | ok, then you can safely ignore me on that :) |
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| 09:20.53 | zetheroo | do I have to install gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 09:22.51 | tremon | zetheroo: you can, but what's actually causing X to start is not a desktop environment, but a display manager. Check if you have gdm3 installed, if it's set as your default display manager, and if it's set to start at boot |
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| 09:23.09 | tremon | and see what happens if you try to start it manually (service gdm3 start) |
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| 09:23.25 | zetheroo | gdm3 is already the newest version |
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| 09:24.01 | cynicallemon | why not just remove xorg ? |
| 09:24.19 | zetheroo | root@orbit:~# service gdm3 start |
| 09:24.19 | zetheroo | [FAIL] Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3 failed! |
| 09:24.24 | baltazor | Hello. I have server supermicro, and disk conntect to Intel RSTe (SCU controller) non-raid disk, when I try install debian 7.6, installer not found disk. I try option mdraid=true, nut disk not found. How I can install debian? Thanks |
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| 09:26.02 | tremon | zetheroo: check your logs (either /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/gdm3, hopefully) for gdm3 error messages |
| 09:26.05 | zetheroo | cynicallemon: I already tried purging and reinstalling xserver-xorg-core |
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| 09:26.56 | ChrisH | baltazor: can you drop into a shell (ALT-F2, ALT-F3, ALT-F4 or similar) and run lspci -nnn and paste that on paste.debian.net |
| 09:27.06 | nkuttler | zetheroo: run startx as user, and pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:27.06 | zetheroo | tremon: there are a lot of logs in /var/log/gdm3 |
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| 09:27.31 | tremon | zetheroo: try the most recent one first |
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| 09:28.08 | tremon | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/118150/ |
| 09:28.13 | nkuttler | zetheroo: wait, that's a virtual machine? |
| 09:28.29 | zetheroo | nkuttler: yep |
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| 09:28.29 | nkuttler | zetheroo: in vmware? |
| 09:28.32 | zetheroo | KVM |
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| 09:28.55 | zetheroo | we have another Wheezy VM on the same host and the GUI works fine |
| 09:28.55 | nkuttler | zetheroo: what happens when you run startx? don't you get a gui? |
| 09:29.02 | nkuttler | because, i see no error in the log |
| 09:29.18 | zetheroo | nkuttler: is it not possible to startx from root? |
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| 09:29.38 | nkuttler | zetheroo: possible? sure. but don't do it as root |
| 09:29.45 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 09:31.36 | zetheroo | when I do startx from a user account I get "command not found" |
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| 09:32.31 | tremon | startx is in the xinit package, may not be installed by default |
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| 09:33.07 | zetheroo | tremon: installing xinit ... |
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| 09:33.34 | zetheroo | ok startx command "works" ... back to black screen and mouse cursor |
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| 09:34.28 | zetheroo | xorg log reads: http://paste.debian.net/118151/ |
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| 09:35.13 | babilen | zetheroo: That looks fine and "black screen and mouse cursor" sounds like it worked perfectly. |
| 09:35.23 | zetheroo | :D |
| 09:35.27 | babilen | (i.e. you successfully started Xorg) |
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| 09:35.57 | zetheroo | ok - any chance of getting some things to click on? :D |
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| 09:36.22 | zetheroo | do I need to install gnome-core or something? |
| 09:36.25 | nkuttler | zetheroo: gdm has some session menu entry, or something. click on that and select gnome? |
| 09:36.28 | babilen | zetheroo: Like what? Do you want to start a (different) window manager or desktop environment? |
| 09:36.29 | nkuttler | !install gnome |
| 09:36.29 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 09:36.40 | babilen | zetheroo: Any particular reason why you don't install/use a display manager? |
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| 09:37.04 | zetheroo | I thought it would be installed by default |
| 09:37.05 | zetheroo | :P |
| 09:37.29 | zetheroo | something must have broken along the way ... |
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| 09:37.35 | babilen | That depends on how you installed Debian. If you didn't install the "Desktop" task you won't have it by default. |
| 09:37.44 | zetheroo | ok |
| 09:37.47 | zetheroo | maybe that was it |
| 09:37.59 | zetheroo | what do I do to get the default gnome desktop? |
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| 09:40.48 | zetheroo | I'll give gnome-core a try |
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| 09:44.46 | gr8 | hi. I got some mysterious error while installing emacs. dpkg --configure -a gives the same error again: http://paste.debian.net/118152/ |
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| 09:45.19 | gr8 | I remember deleting some leftover directories such as site-lisp by hand some time ago |
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| 09:45.59 | zetheroo | thanks all! It's working now - gnome-core was perfect for our needs :) |
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| 09:46.03 | Brigo | gr8, install vim :) |
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| 09:46.17 | gr8 | Brigo: :P |
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| 09:46.29 | nkuttler | ,v emacs23 |
| 09:46.30 | judd | Package: emacs23 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 23.4+1-4; jessie: 23.4+1-4.1+b1; sid: 23.4+1-4.1+b1 |
| 09:46.31 | surf | hi guys I am running debian jessie/sid, I have and intel integrated graphic card with i915 driver. I am experiencing strange lags on page scroll, horizontal glitches on video reproduction and other graphical problems. Can I try to change driver? |
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| 09:46.55 | nkuttler | gr8: #debian-next on oftc is for jessie/sid support |
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| 10:11.40 | blackjack | excuse me. how do i check a version of a package on a repository? |
| 10:11.44 | blackjack | using dpkg |
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| 10:12.47 | tremon | blackjack: you can't, using dpkg |
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| 10:12.58 | blackjack | how about apt-cache policy ? |
| 10:13.30 | blackjack | apt-cache policy <package name> |
| 10:13.34 | blackjack | hmmm |
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| 10:13.51 | tremon | dpkg is a local tool, you need apt to query/use repositories. apt-cache policy will work, but only for sources that are already in your sources.list |
| 10:13.51 | dpkg | tremon: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 10:14.00 | tremon | dpkg, shush |
| 10:14.00 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 10:15.05 | eskatrem | Hey, sorry for the noob question, how can I tell debian to get a given package from sid? |
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| 10:15.47 | blackjack | tremon: so is it apt-cache? or aptitude command? |
| 10:15.49 | tremon | there is a tool (rmadison I believe) that can query all versions in debian releases, regardless of whether they're in your sources.list. That tool only queries debian, not 3rd-party repositories you may have added |
| 10:15.53 | ChrisH | eskatrem: First tell us WHY you need unstable stuff? |
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| 10:16.12 | tremon | blackjack: both apt-cache policy and aptitude search can give you that information. I prefer apt-cache policy |
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| 10:16.35 | blackjack | ok thankss |
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| 10:16.47 | baltazor | ChrisH: no, because I try install, the problem is that I try install debian without raid, disk connect to SCU Controller and setting "non-raid disk", option mdraid=true not help |
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| 10:16.54 | tremon | eskatrem: playing with sid is not for noobs ;) |
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| 10:17.36 | eskatrem | ChrisH: well, I want to read dvds with vlc, but turns out I need the new libdvdcss for that which breaks the libdvdread that's on stable, and I was told on the vlc mailing list to get libdvdread from sid |
| 10:17.40 | tremon | !tell eskatrem about tum |
| 10:18.25 | tremon | eskatrem: you can't mix stable and unstable. the packages from sid will likely fail to install, unless you upgrade half your system first |
| 10:18.29 | eskatrem | I don't want to get *all* my packages from sid, just one particular package (libdvdread) |
| 10:18.36 | tremon | !ssb |
| 10:18.36 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 10:18.51 | tremon | eskatrem: backporting is more likely to help you |
| 10:19.26 | eskatrem | alright, I'll check for backport. I never imagine that the simple fact of READING DVDs would be such a pain |
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| 10:20.15 | ChrisH | eskatrem: is blueray less pain? |
| 10:20.44 | ChrisH | baltazor: I do not understand your question. |
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| 10:21.16 | eskatrem | ChrisH: well, I happen to have a dvd I want to watch - blueray worked out of the box for the one I had |
| 10:21.19 | Nurbs | Is there some way to interactively merge configuration while upgrading packages or after completion? Something more automated than searching for *.dpkg-new, *.dpkg-old and merge using some tool |
| 10:21.34 | eskatrem | tremon: yeah, backporting seems to be what I want, thanks |
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| 10:24.10 | eskatrem | ChrisH: in fact the problem was for the dvd regional support |
| 10:24.29 | jelly | Nurbs: no, but it's being worked on |
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| 10:26.51 | yeboot | hi, I'm trying to install nonfree packages, for some reason firmware-realtek isn't appearing in my apt-cache searches |
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| 10:27.18 | yeboot | though I can find it on https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 10:27.27 | SynrG | yeboot: show your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net, please |
| 10:27.38 | SynrG | yeboot: also, did you apt-get update (or aptitude update) after editing your sources.list? |
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| 10:28.22 | deitarion | Apparently, one of the differences between Debian and Ubuntu is that Ubuntu configures udisks to overrule root-run mount options in such a way that mount doesn't notice. Does anyone know where I could research that pathological behaviour in udisks? |
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| 10:29.21 | yeboot | SynrG: yeah I did, and I just discovered I have to append non-free to one of my deb lines |
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| 10:29.34 | SynrG | deitarion: if you're seeking support for a debian system with a problem with udisks, please state your problem on debian |
| 10:29.40 | SynrG | deitarion: otherwise, see #ubuntu |
| 10:30.02 | deitarion | SynrG: I want to know where that kind of behaviour is configured so I can audit my Debian configuration for idiocy. |
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| 10:30.39 | yeboot | thanks SynrG I figured it out :) |
| 10:30.54 | deitarion | (And nobody will convince me that tricking mount into lying about which mount options are in effect is anything but stupid.) |
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| 10:31.38 | SynrG | deitarion: i don't see a debian problem here |
| 10:32.04 | SynrG | you're asking about an ubuntu-specific "misfeature". you should ask ubuntu where they configured it. |
| 10:32.23 | baltazor | ChrisH: How I can install debian, if disk connect to Intel RSTe |
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| 10:33.04 | baltazor | baltazor: and not setup raid volume |
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| 10:33.05 | deitarion | SynrG: A component which is present on my Debian systems has just proven that it's capable of seriously disconnecting what root sees from what is actually going on. Who knows what differences might have been introduced in Ubuntu patches. I want to see where DEBIAN configures udisks. |
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| 10:33.39 | yeboot | why do you have ubuntu patches anyway, if you're supposedly on a debian system? or are you in the wrong channel |
| 10:34.06 | SynrG | deitarion: i appreciate you want to ensure debian doesn't have this issue. isn't that easily determined emperically? if so, please show the commands you typed, the output/behaviour you expected, and the wrong output/behaviour you got instead. |
| 10:34.12 | deitarion | yeboot: I have a mixture of Debian and Ubuntu systems. Udisks is present on both. My Ubuntu system just showed that it can do weird things. I want to examine how it's configured on my Debian systems. |
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| 10:34.57 | deitarion | SynrG: The problem is that, on Ubuntu, it manifests in ways where the diagnostic output is flat-out lying and I haven't yet found a way to get trustworthy output. |
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| 10:35.01 | yeboot | whelp netsplit |
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| 10:35.42 | SynrG | deitarion: we don't support a mixture of debian and ubuntu. |
| 10:35.46 | SynrG | !frankendebian |
| 10:35.46 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 10:35.56 | SynrG | deitarion: ubuntu probably doesn't either. |
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| 10:36.09 | SynrG | deitarion: consider running debian, or running ubuntu. otherwise, you're on your own. |
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| 10:36.27 | deitarion | SynrG: Ugh. It's not a frankensystem. I own multiple PCs! |
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| 10:36.50 | tremon | SynrG: he didn't say he's "running a mixture of ubuntu and debian" on his systems |
| 10:36.52 | SynrG | deitarion: i misinterpreted "mixture", sorry. |
| 10:36.57 | cynicallemon | isnt frankendebian also called ubuntu? |
| 10:36.58 | SynrG | yes, i see my mistake |
| 10:37.06 | SynrG | cynicallemon: not helping. |
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| 10:37.32 | cynicallemon | SynrG: youre welcome |
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| 10:38.47 | tremon | deitarion: I have no idea what behaviour you're talking about, but couldn't you just compare the package files between them? i.e. run dpkg -L udisks, inspect the conffiles |
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| 10:39.23 | tremon | deitarion: if the behaviour is in the binaries instead, it's likely to some from upstream so debian could be equally affected |
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| 10:39.48 | deitarion | tremon: I'm not certain the override is happening in udisks itself and I don't have time to chase dependencies until I find the problem. |
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| 10:40.23 | tremon | deitarion: then I think asking the maintainers is your best option |
| 10:40.44 | SynrG | agreed. this is beyond the scope of what we can address ... |
| 10:40.46 | deitarion | I will say, however, that the sooner I can switch the Ubuntu machines over to Debian, the happier I'll be. This nonsense isn't worth the trouble. |
| 10:40.59 | yeboot | deitarion: maybe someone in ubuntu has either observed the same behavior, or would know where you can go to find out why ubuntu has the behavior you've described. After you have figured it out, you can probably see whether or not debian has the same behavior for yourself |
| 10:41.09 | SynrG | we're good at helping with debian *problems*, not problems "suspected but not confirmed, because it is present in a downstream distro |
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| 10:41.35 | SynrG | i.e. great at helping with concrete issues ... |
| 10:41.36 | yeboot | s/in ubuntu/in #ubuntu/g |
| 10:41.40 | SynrG | not so great in the abstract |
| 10:41.52 | deitarion | yeboot: My main goal is to figure out how it's even accomplished. (ie. How the udisks stack is producing a volume that is mounted with a different set of options than "mount" shows) |
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| 10:42.25 | yeboot | deitarion: wouldn't that be a question for a ubuntu mailing list, then |
| 10:42.26 | SynrG | deitarion: we deal here in the world of observable behaviours. what you're asking for is intimate knowledge of a specific package, or set of cooperating packages ... |
| 10:42.37 | tremon | deitarion: do you still have a /etc/mtab file, or is it a symlink to /proc/mounts? |
| 10:42.43 | SynrG | deitarion: you might luck out and find someone here with that knowledge, but i suspect not. |
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| 10:43.43 | deitarion | yeboot: *nod* ...though given my mail system's luck with mailing lists, if they're not available via GMane NNTP, I may just have to blog about the symptoms and call Ubuntu garbage to let off steam, then switch to Debian without satisfying my curiosity. |
| 10:44.48 | deitarion | tremon: I think I know where you're going with that and /etc/mtab isn't a symlink. udisks quickly `-o remount`-ing without editing /etc/mtab is a very plausible hypothesis. |
| 10:45.44 | tremon | deitarion: if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to compare the outputs of "mount" and "cat /proc/mounts". The latter should always be up-to-date |
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| 10:46.34 | yeboot | as such I don't see why you're not asking people with a greater expertise in ubuntu, or in a channel where such conversations are more appropriate |
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| 10:47.14 | deitarion | yeboot: Yeah. My main concern is that I've seen Ubuntu move config files around a fair bit before and it's the Debian config I wanted to inspect. It doesn't help that I didn't sleep well. That always impairs my judgement. |
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| 10:49.19 | SynrG | yeboot: it's a pretty big haystack. unless i had a specific udisks issue, i wouldn't go looking for potential needles in it. if debian "just works" the chances a helper knows where to look are slim :p |
| 10:49.27 | SynrG | oops, s/yeboot/deitarion/ |
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| 10:49.53 | deitarion | *nod* Thanks. Now that I've cooled down a bit, I admit it wasn't the smartest thing to ask about. |
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| 10:59.25 | roelj | I'm trying to run apt-get upgrade and it fails: http://pastebin.com/TTcUXATH . When I run apt-get install <some-package> the same happens. |
| 10:59.53 | roelj | Is there a way to get around the problem with the lilypond-doc package? |
| 11:01.37 | tremon | roelj: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758787 |
| 11:02.02 | tremon | roelj: no solution yet, though |
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| 11:03.29 | Twinkletoes | sighs |
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| 11:03.56 | xreal | That's pretty interesting. When transmitting files via SCP, it gets permission "-w-------" (owner write only). When using a pipe (pv | ssh), it gets the correct permissions by ACL. When using rsync, the permission is rw------- (read/write) owner only. Are the permissions corrected after the transfer has been finished? |
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| 11:04.31 | roelj | tremon: Thanks for the info. |
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| 11:08.36 | tremon | saleem: "no screen(s) found" isn't the error you should be focusing on. There have been errors before that. If there haven't, buy a screen (actually, a supported graphics card) or remove your Xorg.conf |
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| 11:13.09 | yeboot | did debtorrent ever actually, you know, happen |
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| 11:13.53 | saleem | tremon: my pc is on nvidia geforce GT520 card, i have installed the required packages for my card as pwe wiki and removed xorg.conf file as well, with xorg.conf there is only a black screen and with it there is no screen error : so whatelse i should try? |
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| 11:14.38 | saleem | i tried nouveau driver as well and i get a black only screen |
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| 11:14.54 | tremon | saleem: if you have installed the proprietary nvidia graphics driver, removing the xorg.conf is actually the wrong solution: X will never auto-detect the nvidia driver |
| 11:15.13 | saleem | nvidia driver on same pc is working fine for me with ubuntu and arch linux and non-free nvidia drivers |
| 11:15.14 | tremon | sadly I have no experience with nvidia cards, so will be of limited use |
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| 11:16.10 | tremon | Only thing I can think about is that nouveau might fail to load if the nvidia kernel module is still loaded. You'd need to completely remove anything proprietary before trying nouveau |
| 11:16.32 | tremon | but as I say, I have no actual working knowledge for nvidia cards |
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| 11:17.31 | saleem | infact i tried that too used smxi also and tested non-free , then nouveau drivers one by one but no success something is going oddly |
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| 15:54.44 | ratnakumari | debian stable vs testing vs unstable which is secure? |
| 15:55.19 | nkuttler | ratnakumari: stable |
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| 15:55.47 | ratnakumari | @nkuttler thanks |
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| 16:11.09 | z1haze | would someone mind helping me please? for some reason one of my main vm's has been disconnected from the network /internet on my dedicated server and i dont know why |
| 16:11.17 | z1haze | its been working fine for a few weeks. |
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| 16:13.02 | jelly | z1haze: Debian is the host OS, or the VM OS, or both? Which VM solution? |
| 16:13.16 | Densukke | hello |
| 16:13.36 | z1haze | esxi is the hypervisor |
| 16:13.52 | z1haze | what i cant figure out is everythings been working fine for weeks |
| 16:13.52 | Densukke | anyone know why after canceling 3 times an authentication prompt in apache2 , it still logs in? |
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| 16:16.22 | Densukke | anyone? |
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| 16:17.06 | jhutchins | Densukke: How can we know how the login is set up? |
| 16:17.38 | Densukke | i set .htacess to the main folder...which authenticates... but if I cancel 3 times.. |
| 16:18.03 | Densukke | it still shows the page without the images and the cgis in it |
| 16:18.09 | z1haze | jelly? |
| 16:19.39 | jhutchins | z1haze: does the VM see the vNIC? |
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| 16:20.03 | z1haze | jhutchins, how do i look at that? im not a experienced user |
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| 16:20.22 | jhutchins | ifconfig, dmesg, /var/log/messages |
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| 16:21.00 | z1haze | are those all separate commands you want me to run |
| 16:21.23 | z1haze | jhutchins: http://puu.sh/bcRll/3a70557557.png |
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| 16:25.13 | z1haze | :( |
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| 16:28.08 | jelly-home | z1haze: ESX version...? Can you connect to it using the vsphere client and show screenshots of NIC configuration for that VM? |
| 16:28.24 | z1haze | yea |
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| 16:28.49 | Densukke | anyone ? |
| 16:29.07 | z1haze | jelly-home: do you mean this http://puu.sh/bcROP/8143d72418.png |
| 16:29.22 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 16:29.30 | z1haze | i havent changed a thing since i set it up |
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| 16:30.50 | jelly-home | z1haze: is there a reason you're using vmxnet3 and not the default e1000e emulation? |
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| 16:31.05 | z1haze | no |
| 16:31.29 | z1haze | why would it work for a few weeks then stop working |
| 16:31.35 | jelly-home | kernel update |
| 16:31.58 | z1haze | it would do that on its own? |
| 16:32.04 | jelly-home | no, not on its own |
| 16:32.17 | z1haze | i havent updated anything since the last time it was online |
| 16:32.22 | z1haze | i was using it last night |
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| 16:32.31 | z1haze | went to bed, this morning, its all offline when ichecked |
| 16:32.55 | jelly-home | z1haze: is there anything remotely suspicious in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log (those show the same data, one is enough)? |
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| 16:33.35 | l1ar | jelly-home: nice to meet you here |
| 16:34.14 | z1haze | ok jelly, what should i look for |
| 16:34.33 | z1haze | it printed how a ton of stuff, and this dumb program doesnt let me select and copy with a mouse |
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| 16:35.01 | jelly-home | l1ar: hi. keep in mind this channel is for tech support. |
| 16:35.20 | z1haze | jelly-home: http://puu.sh/bcSbB/bb2c130f49.png this is all i can see of the printed output |
| 16:36.05 | l1ar | jelly-home: I know that ;) |
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| 16:36.09 | jelly-home | z1haze: okay. Nothing suspicious "eth" related there, looks like a fairly normal boot |
| 16:36.12 | l1ar | jelly-home: and don't be angry at me |
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| 16:36.48 | jelly-home | l1ar: unless you have tech support questions to ask or useful help to provide, please stay quiet. |
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| 16:37.10 | MY123 | Is there any docs about making a compiler backend? |
| 16:37.13 | z1haze | im getting a bit worried, i dont see how something can just stop working all on its own on a vm |
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| 16:37.33 | MY123 | ( a closed source CPU reverse-enginnered) |
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| 16:38.13 | jelly-home | z1haze: what about "ip addr show" and "ip route show" on the vm? |
| 16:38.52 | z1haze | there has to be a better way to console on this pos |
| 16:38.59 | z1haze | i cant scroll up or anything |
| 16:39.16 | jelly-home | z1haze: shift-pageup |
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| 16:39.57 | z1haze | http://puu.sh/bcSsP/b2f60203c2.png jelly-home: thanks for that tip |
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| 16:40.51 | z1haze | jelly-home: http://puu.sh/bcSwh/0e62c1f82e.png |
| 16:41.29 | jelly-home | z1haze: that's an unusual netmask, /32 but perhaps that's how your network is supposed to be. Can you ping 192.99.20.254? |
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| 16:42.15 | z1haze | no, it says unreachable |
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| 16:43.05 | jelly-home | do you have any other VM with similar network setup? |
| 16:43.11 | z1haze | yep, exact same |
| 16:43.22 | z1haze | just different ip/mac address |
| 16:43.27 | jelly-home | nod |
| 16:44.00 | jelly-home | z1haze: as root, run "iptables -S" to show the local firewall ones |
| 16:44.20 | tomodachi | how do you force apt-get to only use ipv4? |
| 16:44.45 | z1haze | ping on the working vm or the broken one jelly |
| 16:44.56 | z1haze | http://paste.debian.net/118210/ i ran those same commands from a working vm for you to compare http://paste.debian.net/118210/ |
| 16:45.48 | z1haze | jelly-home: http://puu.sh/bcSPE/402dc9364f.png |
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| 16:48.18 | jelly-home | well, I can't see anything wrong |
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| 16:49.07 | iltuonikname | ciao |
| 16:49.32 | z1haze | so im just in trouble i suppose |
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| 16:50.10 | mogglebam | Hi. I'm looking for a good IMAP client available in debian. I want to be able to use the keyboard for most tasks, a robust offline mode, custom imap keyword support, and fast offline search |
| 16:50.16 | jelly-home | z1haze: if a reboot helps, you still won't know what the reason was. |
| 16:50.20 | jhutchins | z1haze: Kind of a random suggestion, but remove the NIC from the VM, then add a new one. |
| 16:50.47 | mogglebam | I've tried a bunch of them (trojita, thunderbird, mutt, claws-mail) and the closest one so far to that list has been claws. |
| 16:50.57 | jhutchins | mogglebam: alpine |
| 16:50.58 | jelly-home | z1haze: what's the router machine with the 192.99.20.254 address, your VM host or something else? |
| 16:51.30 | z1haze | well the host ip is 192.99.20.118 |
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| 16:51.37 | z1haze | i guess thats the gateway for the network on that machine |
| 16:51.52 | jelly-home | I mean, where is 192.99.20.254 defined? |
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| 16:53.30 | flacs_ | why is nftables not in wheezy-backports? is there a technical reason or is it just that nobody has done the work yet? |
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| 16:53.39 | z1haze | jelly-home: right here http://help.ovh.co.uk/BridgeClient |
| 16:54.09 | z1haze | its pretty cut and dry from the host, i dont see where i could have went wrong |
| 16:54.25 | z1haze | but for future vm's whats the difference in those network adapters? |
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| 16:56.09 | jelly-home | z1haze: that link seems to say only the last number ought to differ from your VM. Your VM is 192.99.99.237, and the gateway is 192.99.20.254, TWO numbers are different. |
| 16:56.20 | jelly-home | typo? |
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| 16:56.45 | z1haze | no it says your server ip |
| 16:56.49 | jelly-home | or am I reading it wrong |
| 16:56.58 | jelly-home | oh, the host? |
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| 16:57.33 | z1haze | Main IP of your dedicated server: XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX |
| 16:57.33 | z1haze | So the IP of the gateway for your virtual machine(GATEWAY_VM) : XXX.XXX.XXX.254 |
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| 16:58.18 | jelly-home | z1haze: can you show "ip addr" from a working VM? |
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| 16:59.44 | z1haze | http://paste.debian.net/118212/ |
| 17:00.38 | jelly-home | wow, their IP range is all over the place |
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| 17:00.50 | jelly-home | but basically the same as the broken VM\ |
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| 17:01.50 | z1haze | im on the phone with them |
| 17:01.58 | z1haze | but i dont know what im talking about they are "non support" host |
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| 17:02.02 | jelly-home | z1haze: no idea really. I'd use e1000e for NIC unless I had to push 10Gig, and vmware docs seem to recommend that as well, but in THEORY things ought to work |
| 17:02.05 | z1haze | but i nered to prove this is an issue with them right? |
| 17:02.21 | jelly-home | it might be an ESX bug |
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| 17:03.14 | jelly-home | if you can, run a sniffer on ESX host and see if packets from the guest go out to its bridge and to the physical network card, or not |
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| 17:04.30 | jelly-home | kernel from debian 7 does have vmxnet3, but it's not the latest and who knows |
| 17:04.32 | z1haze | i dont know how to do that kinda thing |
| 17:05.08 | jelly-home | I don't either, and I don't have a test ESX to try things on. Try asking for help in #vmware |
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| 17:08.19 | Densukke | hello |
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| 17:08.31 | Densukke | anyone know why after canceling 3 times an authentication prompt in apache2 , it still logs in? |
| 17:08.38 | z1haze | alright thanks for trying |
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| 17:10.54 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Around the 2.6.18+ kernel vmxnet became the preferred NIC. |
| 17:11.09 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Definitely by 2.6.32. |
| 17:11.18 | jelly-home | jhutchins: that's not what ESX 5 docs say. |
| 17:11.47 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Well, I've read ESX docs that say it's now preferred, especially for high speed. |
| 17:12.09 | jelly-home | most performant, sure. Most stable? e1000e is default when you create a new VM for Debian |
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| 17:12.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I'd appreciate a reference |
| 17:12.29 | mogglebam | jhutchins: wow |
| 17:12.38 | mogglebam | jhutchins: the flag support in alpine is *really* good |
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| 17:12.53 | jhutchins | mogglebam: Glad you like it! |
| 17:13.02 | jelly-home | also vmxnet and vmxnet3 are different things |
| 17:13.15 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Well, if I come across it again I'll send you the link. |
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| 17:17.54 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, I meant vmxnet3 (current vmxnet version). |
| 17:18.20 | jelly-home | jhutchins: you're right, VMware Compatibility Guide recommends vmxnet3 for Debian 7.x (64-bit) on ESX 5.5 |
| 17:18.25 | okee | Is CRIU in the repository? Or is there a way this can be installed? see http://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2014/22/Save-and-restore-Linux-processes-with-CRIU?utm_source=ADMIN+Newsletter&utm_campaign=Issue+22%3A+OpenStack+Icehouse_2014-08-29&utm_medium=email%3Em_source=ADMIN+Newsletter&utm_campaign=Issue+22%3A+OpenStack+Icehouse_2014-08-29&utm_medium=email |
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| 17:18.53 | jelly-home | ,v criu |
| 17:18.54 | judd | No package named 'criu' was found in i386. |
| 17:19.08 | jelly-home | ,v criu --arch amd64 |
| 17:19.09 | judd | Package: criu on amd64 -- sid: 1.3~rc2-5; jessie: 1.3~rc2-5 |
| 17:19.22 | jelly-home | okee: only in testing and unstable. |
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| 17:19.38 | okee | jelly-home> How about backports? |
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| 17:19.58 | jelly-home | okee: nope, judd would have listed them |
| 17:19.58 | jhutchins | https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/criu.html |
| 17:20.22 | okee | CRIU is pretty stable, so it would seem reasonable that this should be in backports. One of the things I like about CRIU is the ability to increase the speed of the boot, since processes are bundled under a short cut. |
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| 17:20.25 | somiaj | ,check-backport criu |
| 17:20.43 | judd | Backporting package criu in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libprotobuf-c-dev. |
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| 17:20.59 | z1haze | jelly-home: fixed |
| 17:21.10 | jelly-home | z1haze: issue on their end? |
| 17:21.13 | z1haze | yep |
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| 17:21.28 | jelly-home | well, at least you've done due diligence |
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| 17:21.35 | z1haze | yes, thanks to you |
| 17:21.37 | somiaj | okee: it looks like there may be some extra work backporting it, it might need some supporting libs backported as well. backports are kinda up to the whim of the matainers and many things just aren't backported for you and you'll have to do it yourself. |
| 17:21.45 | jelly-home | that's what we're here for! |
| 17:21.57 | z1haze | she said sometimes "very rarely" the mac address can be stored incorrectly on their end |
| 17:22.13 | z1haze | still doesnt make sense to me, but took me arguing for 20 minutes for them to actually look into the issue |
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| 17:23.14 | jelly-home | well, my $2 VM provider sometimes cuts my udp an icmp traffic for no reason at all |
| 17:23.33 | z1haze | yea i dunno what that is but sounds annoying |
| 17:23.40 | jelly-home | $deity forbid I might run a vpn they can't recognize |
| 17:23.52 | z1haze | i pay like 160/month for my server tho so its kinda a bi deal, we have quite a few clients who were out for a day or more |
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| 17:24.22 | jelly-home | $160 buys you a lot of yelling :-) |
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| 17:24.55 | z1haze | they get bothered whe nyou ask them to "fix" things |
| 17:25.12 | z1haze | because of the good price, they are 100% unsupported |
| 17:25.19 | jelly-home | yeah, that's the attitude I can't really figure out |
| 17:25.23 | jhutchins | z1haze: The usual argument that it couldn't possibly be anything of theirs? |
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| 17:25.45 | jelly-home | I guess that MAC address just randomly bitfillped in their backend! |
| 17:25.47 | okee | judd> I don't think CRIU can be backported for i386 systems. The literature on Administrative Update, suggest this program is limited to AMD64 http://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2014/22/Save-and-restore-Linux-processes-with-CRIU?utm_ |
| 17:25.47 | judd | No package named 'don't' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 17:26.00 | jelly-home | okee: judd is a bot. |
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| 17:26.29 | jelly-home | okee: and admin-magazine.com wants me to pay to read those articles |
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| 17:27.11 | Guest47233 | Hi i installed minimal Debian 7. How to install GUI? :) |
| 17:27.12 | okee | jelly-home> I don't pay, and only pay a nominal fee if I want to download their PDF. You can read all of their articles online for free, and print your own PDF. |
| 17:27.57 | jelly-home | okee: well, the links you provided only have start of each article, and the rest is paywalled |
| 17:27.58 | jhutchins | jelly-home: http://criu.org/Main_Page |
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| 17:29.09 | okee | jelly-home> There is a lot of info in the start, and this article does indicate the program is limited to AMD64 |
| 17:29.42 | somiaj | Guest47233: which gui do you want...well which desktop. Do you want gnome, xfce, kde, lxde or would you prefer a minimial window manager? |
| 17:29.46 | jelly-home | and ARM. Yes. |
| 17:30.08 | Guest47233 | somiaj xfce :) |
| 17:30.21 | jhutchins | !xfce |
| 17:30.22 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:30.28 | somiaj | Guest47233: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 17:30.32 | jelly-home | okee: which is how I knew to ask the about for --arch amd64 |
| 17:30.42 | jelly-home | the bot* |
| 17:30.42 | Guest47233 | somiaj not working |
| 17:30.43 | somiaj | !tell Guest47233 about install xfce |
| 17:30.47 | somiaj | Guest47233: that should give you more info |
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| 17:30.58 | somiaj | Guest47233: what is not working? Did you not set your internet sources up correctly? |
| 17:31.07 | somiaj | Guest47233: can you put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 17:31.10 | Guest47233 | I guess |
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| 17:31.26 | somiaj | Guest47233: well unless you can tell us what not working means it will be hard for us to guess what will help you. |
| 17:31.30 | somiaj | !tell Guest47233 about wheezy sources.list |
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| 17:32.08 | Guest47233 | Somiaj i dont have internet sources |
| 17:32.11 | somiaj | Guest47233: also were you able to get the internet up and running on that machine or did you only get a minimial isntall because your internet needs firmware? |
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| 17:32.36 | somiaj | Guest47233: well 1) get your machine ont he internet, 2) follow that last factoid I had dpkg send you about configuring the internet sources. 3) apt-get install xfce -- let us konw which part you need help with. |
| 17:32.48 | Guest47233 | Well i got error it couldnt configure Dchp |
| 17:33.07 | Guest47233 | Thanks |
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| 17:33.20 | lmat | How do I see from which repository a package is installed? |
| 17:33.29 | bazhang | is it nm applet not working Guest47233 |
| 17:33.31 | somiaj | sounds like your card is missing firmware, give us info on if it is a wired or wifi card and what the card is. |
| 17:33.33 | lmat | I have git 1.9 something, and I think I got it from PPA... |
| 17:33.38 | somiaj | bazhang: most likely not since he doesn't have a gui |
| 17:33.47 | somiaj | lmat: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 17:34.06 | bazhang | somiaj, who knows what he has, just a couple of hours ago it was full on xubuntu |
| 17:34.09 | somiaj | lmat: what? do not install ppa's on debian, or are you really running ubuntu and shyould be asking questions in #ubuntu |
| 17:34.53 | Guest47233 | somiaj ok sources.list is commented out |
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| 17:35.25 | somiaj | Guest47233: you jumped a step, we need to get you on the internet first, so you need to identify what internet card you have. first is it wifi or wired? |
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| 17:35.43 | Guest47233 | Wired |
| 17:36.08 | somiaj | Guest47233: second, look at the output of 'lspci' -- can you identify which of those lines is your wired internet card and what chipset it uses. We need the chipset info |
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| 17:36.45 | okee | Is the graphite program in the debian repos? I see a number of library related packages, but not the actual graphite program itself. |
| 17:36.47 | lmat | somiaj: oh, no PPAs in debian... thanks! |
| 17:37.06 | somiaj | !tell okee about search |
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| 17:37.42 | Guest47233 | Broadcom BCM5906M |
| 17:38.03 | somiaj | ,v graphite-carbon |
| 17:38.04 | judd | Package: graphite-carbon on i386 -- wheezy: 0.9.10-3; jessie: 0.9.12-3; sid: 0.9.12-3 |
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| 17:38.21 | somiaj | okee: ^^ that is what I found that seems the most reasonble |
| 17:38.58 | somiaj | Guest47233: oh this one is a pain to get the firmware. Do you happen to have a usb card or another way to get that machine ont he internet (it makes it the easiest). You can get the firmware without being on the internet but it requires a bit more work than I was hoping. |
| 17:39.01 | okee | somiaj> I had already searched, and didn't find what I was looking for. That is why I posted the question. I am now checking GIthub. |
| 17:39.55 | Guest47233 | Strange, it should work. I have done this befote |
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| 17:40.44 | somiaj | Guest47233: but look at 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' do you see a line about that card that says firmware is unable to load? |
| 17:40.48 | Guest47233 | It looked like works. It just couldnt configure DCHP |
| 17:40.58 | somiaj | Guest47233: yea sorry I was mistaking it with the wifi broadcom card |
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| 17:41.08 | Guest47233 | :) |
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| 17:41.28 | streulma | unable to reopen stdin... is it bad ? |
| 17:41.48 | jelly-home | streulma: more context required for a meaningful answer |
| 17:42.11 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 17:42.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:42.15 | streulma | jelly-home: run script in boot, apt-get install |
| 17:42.30 | Guest47233 | somiaj only video driver driver fail |
| 17:42.39 | streulma | dpkg-preconfigure Unable to reopen stdin. No such file or directory |
| 17:42.41 | Guest47233 | But thats normal |
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| 17:43.39 | somiaj | Guest47233: yes it is. Anyways I have friends over so I have to go, but maybe someone else can help you get your network up |
| 17:43.57 | jelly-home | streulma: in boot? |
| 17:43.57 | jelly-home | streulma: can you show the actual command you ran and its full output? |
| 17:44.06 | Guest47233 | Ok thanks. somiaj |
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| 17:44.55 | streulma | jelly-home: running in a vm, maybe stdin not available? what is stdin? |
| 17:45.32 | jelly-home | streulma: can you put the whole command and the whole output into a pastebin? |
| 17:46.02 | jelly-home | http://paste.debian.net one |
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| 17:46.21 | streulma | jelly-home it's on Ubuntu, but running at boot says it, running at SSH says not |
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| 17:47.19 | streulma | on forum |
| 17:47.22 | streulma | Yeah this is a known "thing." It is not really a problem because it doesn't really cause a problem. Actually, the reason this error message even appears is due to a bug in Ubuntu not checking whether stdin is a TTY, and just assuming it is. |
| 17:47.27 | jelly-home | streulma: you still did not tell us the exact commmand and how are you running it "at boot" |
| 17:47.38 | Guest47233 | How to setup internet connection in terminal? |
| 17:48.00 | jelly-home | streulma: if this is on Ubuntu, you're asking in the wrong channel -- try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
| 17:48.16 | streulma | jelly-home: apt-get --force-yes install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:49.03 | jhutchins | streulma: Does the problem happen with Debian? |
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| 17:49.28 | z1haze | now my other vps stopped working |
| 17:49.36 | z1haze | immediatly after the other was fixed |
| 17:49.40 | z1haze | cant be a coincidence |
| 17:49.49 | jelly-home | streulma: is this an Ubuntu installation or a Debian installation? |
| 17:49.55 | streulma | Ubuntu |
| 17:50.06 | streulma | I thought, I ask it here :) |
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| 17:50.23 | jelly-home | streulma: sorry, please don't do that unless you can reproduce the issue in actual Debian |
| 17:50.45 | jelly-home | z1haze: "our MAC cache can only hold so many machines!" |
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| 17:52.57 | jelly-home | Guest47233: read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.network-config.html |
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| 17:53.47 | jelly-home | Guest47233: 8.2.1 shows two basic setups for a wired card in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:06.50 | okee | Anyone know what the original bug was that prevented this package from being added to SID? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683422 |
| 18:07.13 | okee | I was referring to ReaR (Relax and Recover), a bear metal backup system. |
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| 18:10.22 | jelly-home | okee: that report looks like the person who expressed willingness to do the packaging work, just did not do it in a year's time |
| 18:11.15 | okee | jelly-home> This looks like an important package and has functionality beyond a mere backup. I have added to my future project list, as one that I might be interested in working on. |
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| 18:13.45 | Guest47233 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.55 | loeken | Guest add "| more" to the command you typed if the output is too big |
| 18:15.04 | loeken | or echo "bla" >> output.txt |
| 18:15.10 | loeken | redirect the output to a file |
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| 18:16.58 | AlephBeth | I'd like to set my dns search domain using configuration management - is there a way to do this without modifying /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:17.16 | Guest47233 | Thanks more command works |
| 18:17.19 | jmd | Whenever I try to install/remove a package, I get this error: dpkg: error: duplicate file trigger interest for filename `/usr/lib/gio/modules' and package `libglib2.0-0:amd64 |
| 18:17.25 | jmd | How do I fix this? |
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| 18:19.19 | JNixx | jmd: Try the answer in this link http://bit.ly/1u5SyAP |
| 18:19.38 | Guest47233 | How do i test network in bash? |
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| 18:19.50 | nkuttler | Guest47233: depends on what you want to test |
| 18:19.52 | JNixx | Guest47233: What do you want to test? |
| 18:20.32 | JNixx | Guest47233: FOr connectivity you can try and ping a website: ping google.com. To see your IP information trype: ifconfig |
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| 18:20.46 | Guest47233 | Ok thanks |
| 18:21.13 | Guest47233 | How to change to eth0? |
| 18:21.39 | Guest47233 | Currently i have loopback |
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| 18:21.42 | jmd | JNixx: Thanks |
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| 18:22.09 | JNixx | Guest47233: Are you plugged in with a cable? |
| 18:22.18 | Guest47233 | Yes |
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| 18:23.03 | okee | Anyone know if this is still a legitimate entry for the sources.list? <http://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2014/22/Vagrant-Serf-Packer-and-Consul-create-and-manage-development-environments?utm_source=ADMIN+Newsletter&utm_campaign=Issue+22%3A+OpenStack+Icehouse_2014-08-29&utm_medium=email> |
| 18:23.07 | Guest47233 | JNixx i got fail during mini Debian install |
| 18:23.14 | okee | oophs. Ignore that post. copy feature failed. |
| 18:23.40 | okee | Anyone if this is still a legitimate entry for the source.list file? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 18:24.01 | okee | I am getting a bunch of error messages, that seem to link back to this entry, so I don't think this entry might be right. |
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| 18:24.42 | JNixx | Guest47233: It seems like you don't have an IP address on your network. You could try setting one manually. That's assuming that your networkCard is enabled and working |
| 18:25.07 | Guest47233 | Dchp works |
| 18:25.22 | JNixx | Guest47233: So you have an IP? |
| 18:25.23 | okee | This is the result of my update http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e3c02bcb/ |
| 18:25.59 | Guest47233 | I edited interfaces and "ifup eth0" worked |
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| 18:26.10 | JNixx | Guest47233: So everything works now? |
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| 18:28.41 | Guest47233 | JNixx yes :) now need to install gui |
| 18:29.00 | JNixx | Guest47233: That's good :) |
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| 18:29.42 | Bluewolf | Hi all, I'm having a problem installing q4wine, how would I go about it? - http://paste.debian.net/118225/ |
| 18:29.53 | Guest47233 | JNixx i also noticed i dont have home folders like downloads, pictures, music |
| 18:30.07 | JNixx | Guest47233: Are you logged in as root? |
| 18:30.39 | Guest47233 | Yes |
| 18:30.45 | JNixx | Guest47233: That's why |
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| 18:31.10 | JNixx | Guest47233: Those folders get copied over from /etc/skel when you create a new user |
| 18:31.11 | Guest47233 | JNixx as normal is same |
| 18:32.29 | nkuttler | okee: looks like you have a typo in your sources.list? :http ? |
| 18:32.51 | okee | nkuttler> That is what I thought. Any idea what the typo is? |
| 18:33.05 | nkuttler | okee: paste the sources.list |
| 18:33.40 | nkuttler | !tell okee about sources.list |
| 18:33.51 | nkuttler | okee: that example uses the cdn btw, might want to switch to that |
| 18:34.09 | Guest47233 | JNixx any idea? |
| 18:34.17 | okee | nkuttler> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4084d4fd/ |
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| 18:34.40 | JNixx | Guest47233: Those folders should appear when you create new users. Root doesn't have them "Out of the box" |
| 18:35.10 | Guest47233 | JNixx should |
| 18:35.11 | nkuttler | okee: which editor do you use? |
| 18:35.27 | nkuttler | okee: because, you'd catch the typo with syntax highlighting ;) |
| 18:35.37 | nkuttler | okee: http:/ftp |
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| 18:36.38 | Guest47233 | Should i restart mini debian install? |
| 18:36.47 | okee | nkuttler> I have several editors installed, including vi and vim. Which editor do you recommend? |
| 18:36.50 | JNixx | Guest47233: What's wrong with your current install? |
| 18:37.17 | jmd | okee: That is like asking which football team you recommend. |
| 18:37.22 | Guest47233 | Well it went wrong from start |
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| 18:38.02 | Guest47233 | I got dhcp error and ended up in bash at boot-up |
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| 18:38.12 | nkuttler | okee: well, i like vim, with :syntax on |
| 18:38.25 | Guest47233 | No desktop :) |
| 18:38.27 | JNixx | Guest47233: Have you tried typing: startx |
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| 18:39.01 | Guest47233 | Command not found |
| 18:39.16 | Nickeeh | Why does python-openssl still require python < 2.7? |
| 18:39.17 | Guest47233 | I got sources.list commented out |
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| 18:39.29 | JNixx | Guest47233: Just reinstall |
| 18:39.36 | Guest47233 | JNixx i have minimal install |
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| 18:39.43 | Guest47233 | Maybe |
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| 18:40.44 | JNixx | Guest47233: You don't seem very solution orientated :P. Do a fresh install. If you can't install offline then download a CD/DVD copy |
| 18:40.46 | jmd | apt-get -f install fails with errors. How can I correct that? |
| 18:41.51 | Guest47233 | But i got network working |
| 18:42.05 | Guest47233 | Maybe i can build it up |
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| 18:43.40 | Arr0way | i'm right in thinking /etc/init.d/service start is the same as service blah start - right ? |
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| 18:46.12 | Guest47233 | Any idea how to setup minimal debian to use gui? |
| 18:46.37 | Guest47233 | I updated aptitude |
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| 18:47.15 | Bluewolf | I'm having a problem installing q4wine, how would I go about it? - http://paste.debian.net/118225/ |
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| 18:49.40 | Guest47233 | Do i need to install something before i install xfce4? |
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| 18:55.48 | Guest47233 | Any idea? |
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| 18:57.23 | jmd | Can someone do me a favour and tell me the IP address of ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 18:58.08 | JNixx | jmd: 141.76.2.4 |
| 18:58.29 | jmd | Thanks. (I inadvertently purged my bind and without a nameserver I cant fetch it) |
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| 18:59.06 | JNixx | jmd: Not able to use 8.8.8.8 as a temporary DNS? |
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| 18:59.29 | jmd | Dunno. Never tried. |
| 18:59.47 | Guest47233 | JNixx this package task-xfce4-desktop? |
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| 19:00.36 | JNixx | Guest47233: apt-get install xfce4 should be enough. That not working? |
| 19:00.51 | Guest47233 | Ok ill try |
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| 19:01.47 | Guest47233 | Oh it asks me to install 463 MB and tons of packages :) |
| 19:02.07 | JNixx | Yep. That should do it :) |
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| 19:09.07 | dontknow | Guest47233, it shouldn't be that much |
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| 19:09.25 | dontknow | it should be like 75 MB or so |
| 19:10.02 | DanDare | dontknow, xfce4 from a minimalist install will be like > 400MB really |
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| 19:10.24 | sinonick | has anyone tried wheezy-kfreebsd install from usb stick? (jessie repeatedly asks for cdrom during install) |
| 19:10.38 | dontknow | DanDare, ohh ok. you guys saying the disk space |
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| 19:10.45 | DanDare | at least doing it like 'apt-get install xfce4' |
| 19:10.55 | dontknow | i was talking about downloaded size ok |
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| 19:11.00 | DanDare | :p |
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| 19:12.14 | mtn | sinonick: did you make the stick with unetbootin? |
| 19:12.15 | DanDare | well, not only xfce4 but Xorg, drivers among other stuff |
| 19:12.18 | Guest47233 | Any idea why it asks media/cdrom during apt-get install? |
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| 19:13.16 | dontknow | Guest47233, i guess you didn't set the mirror when installing |
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| 19:13.44 | DanDare | Guest47233, you must edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the lines regarding "CDrom scan" or something like this, then 'apt-get update' |
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| 19:13.49 | okee | nkuttler> Still getting errors after your suggested upates. This is my current configuration http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7458cbff/ |
| 19:14.07 | Guest47233 | Do i need to comment out "deb cdrom:...... " in sources.list? |
| 19:14.14 | DanDare | dontknow, I think that even using a mirror it will keep trying to use the install CD |
| 19:14.18 | nkuttler | okee: well.. which errors? |
| 19:14.34 | nkuttler | okee: you haven't fixed the http:/ftp |
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| 19:14.55 | DanDare | Guest47233, yeah, put a # there on all 'CD' reference lines then 'apt-get update' |
| 19:14.58 | mtn | Guest47233: likely you are correct, you should comment out the cdrom lines |
| 19:15.11 | sinonick | mtn no just dd. didn't think of that i'll try that thanks |
| 19:15.11 | JNixx | Guest47233: Yes, comment it out with # > See mtn got there first :) |
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| 19:15.18 | Guest47233 | Ah yes had to comment it out. Meet you in xcfe4 :) |
| 19:15.40 | mtn | sinonick: well, I thought that could be the problem ;) you should really install from stable sources though, not a testing installer |
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| 19:16.53 | sinonick | mtn, yeah i was just experimenting to see if jessie/kfreebsd/kde is a viable desktop (i guess not) |
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| 19:17.24 | mtn | sinonick: it might be the installer having a problem, not the os. the testing installer is for testing the installer. |
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| 19:20.04 | gtgt9 | Hello |
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| 19:20.27 | okee | nkuttler> The http://ftp is no longer coming up as an error, and one of the other lines appears to have a problem http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a80472fe/ |
| 19:21.31 | nkuttler | okee: you haven't fixed the http:/ftp |
| 19:21.39 | nkuttler | okee: http:/no http://yes |
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| 19:22.01 | nkuttler | okee: Failed to fetch http:/ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/source/Sources Unable to connect to :http: |
| 19:22.07 | nkuttler | okee: that's not a valid url |
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| 19:25.50 | goose | Does anyone use grub-efi on a mobo that supports super fast boot? Do the two play nicely together? |
| 19:26.18 | JNixx | goose: I havn't had any problems with it |
| 19:26.37 | goose | are you using the mobo in super fast boot mode? |
| 19:26.38 | JNixx | goose: on a MSI Z77A-2-GDd65 |
| 19:26.46 | goose | (I should've specified) |
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| 19:27.13 | Gtgt9 | I am Kali, should I ask questions here? (Kali irc is pretty quiet...) |
| 19:27.15 | goose | I'm really enjoying the 8 second boot time Win8/SSD/"Super Fast Boot" mode give me, wondering if I can still expect that one I get nix back on board |
| 19:27.24 | JNixx | goose: Yes it's on. It's a dual booted system |
| 19:27.50 | JNixx | goose: Are you having problems? |
| 19:28.04 | JNixx | Gtgt9: What's the question? |
| 19:28.05 | goose | Cool. Did you have to do anything special with grub to get it to work, JNixx? |
| 19:28.25 | Gtgt9 | df says my drive is 95% full, du does not |
| 19:28.29 | goose | (Trying to avoid bricking my windows install on accident, as I tend to do when installing linux) |
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| 19:28.34 | JNixx | goose: Hmm it's a while since i installed it but i don't think i did anything special. I always run a manual partition setup, but otherwise pretty standard. |
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| 19:30.17 | Gtgt9 | Thing is, all the forum posts say a 1) a reboot should fix or |
| 19:30.23 | Gtgt9 | 2) inodes are full |
| 19:30.45 | Gtgt9 | Both seem false |
| 19:31.18 | ompaul | !kali |
| 19:31.18 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 19:31.36 | ompaul | see they do things different so the cause effect is something we don't know what happened |
| 19:31.43 | Gtgt9 | Ok, yhanks |
| 19:31.47 | Gtgt9 | *thanks |
| 19:31.47 | ompaul | if they did things the same they would be called debian |
| 19:31.53 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 19:36.50 | z1haze1 | what comes in the debiab standard system utilities? if i want a bare installation to run cpanel for webhosting, will i need that? |
| 19:37.04 | sinonick | it will install |
| 19:37.07 | sinonick | it's dependencies |
| 19:37.10 | sinonick | minimal is enough |
| 19:37.38 | sinonick | of course you'll need to install some basic tools afterwards if you want to use the console |
| 19:38.12 | z1haze1 | so should i uncheck the standard system utils or just leave it? |
| 19:38.35 | z1haze1 | this vm is only going to be used for webhosting |
| 19:38.40 | sinonick | keep it (sorry i misunderstood your question) |
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| 19:38.51 | z1haze1 | alright, thanks |
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| 19:39.28 | z1haze1 | where can i see a list of apps isntalled with that? |
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| 19:40.06 | sinonick | https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
| 19:40.35 | sinonick | oh wait (i rushed to paste that it's not what you want) |
| 19:40.44 | z1haze1 | heh, that means nothing to me. crap im not an experiences linux user at all |
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| 19:45.35 | sinonick | z1hazel here's your list (ignore the ones with i386) http://pastebin.com/WJ1Cd1ET |
| 19:46.24 | sinonick | if that's about cpanel, i strongly suggest you keep it |
| 19:46.30 | okee | I am now getting a duplicate source entry, but not sure where it eminating from? This is the error http://paste.debian.net/hidden/97f80d1a/ and this is my source file http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1ffd7c3a/ Also, I am wondering if I have all of the security updates that are required? |
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| 19:50.54 | gatis | Hi |
| 19:51.11 | Guest20894 | How to start xfce? |
| 19:51.33 | okee | nkuttler> How do I get rid of these duplicate packages ?? |
| 19:53.03 | JNixx | Guest20894: startx? |
| 19:53.06 | mtn | GatisO: why are you changing your nick so many times if you want help? |
| 19:53.19 | mtn | GatisO: do you use a login manager? |
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| 19:53.43 | GatisO | Not sure i installed xfce4 big package 463mb |
| 19:53.59 | mtn | GatisO: not sure about what? |
| 19:54.44 | GatisO | about login manager |
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| 19:55.01 | mtn | GatisO: how do you login in before? at a window that asked for login? |
| 19:55.17 | mtn | GatisO: or did you use startx? |
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| 19:55.53 | GatisO | I use cli |
| 19:55.58 | mtn | GatisO: or did you use startx? |
| 19:56.05 | GatisO | I never used startx |
| 19:56.20 | mtn | GatisO: how. did. you. start. your. desktop? |
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| 19:57.00 | beepie | usually how long do unstable package show up after a patch has committed? |
| 19:57.04 | GatisO | mtn: i don't have desktop |
| 19:57.26 | mtn | GatisO: install gdm or kdm or similar and reboot |
| 19:57.42 | GatisO | i though xfce4 package would do that |
| 19:57.46 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:58.20 | GatisO | maybe i have DM |
| 19:58.58 | okee | Would anyone know how to remove the duplicate source that is showing up in the /var/* http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f36e7041/ |
| 19:58.58 | okee | Hit http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release |
| 19:58.58 | okee | Hit http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg |
| 19:58.59 | okee | Hit http://dl.google.com stable Release |
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| 20:00.30 | okee | Would anyone know how to fix the duplicate error that is showing up in my /var/* entry see --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f36e7041/ |
| 20:01.29 | mtn | okee: do you have a /etc/apt.sources.list.d directory? |
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| 20:01.51 | mtn | okee: sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 20:05.00 | okee | mtn> I do, but I don't see anything wrong it it. This is its contents --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/41d1a3bb/ |
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| 20:05.49 | mtn | okee: depends on what is in those lists. if any of them are the same as what is in /etc/apt/sources.list then you would have duplicates |
| 20:06.11 | mtn | okee: by default you would not have any of those lists, so it depends on what you put in there. |
| 20:06.50 | okee | mtn> are you referring to the --> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 20:07.06 | mtn | okee: yes, the files in that directory |
| 20:07.09 | okee | mtn> I only have three files in there, and they are not duplicates |
| 20:07.19 | mtn | okee: ok, if you say so ;) |
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| 20:07.33 | sinonick | okee, also check your /etc/apt/source.list for duplicate lines |
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| 20:07.59 | sinonick | apt has no reason to check twice unless there is a duplicate line in all those files |
| 20:08.00 | apt | that's too long, sinonick |
| 20:08.24 | GatisO | ok |
| 20:08.35 | GatisO | i don't have DM i guess |
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| 20:09.25 | okee | snonick> I don't see any duplicate lines. Do you --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9930f443/ |
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| 20:12.19 | okee | snonick> Am I correct that the duplicate error seems to indicate a duplicate installation, as opposed to a duplicate in the sources.list or the sources.list.d --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f50a7b35/ I am not running i386, and I am wondering how to delete that packageThe duplicate error appears to indicate a duplicate installation, as opposed to a duplicate in the sources.list |
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| 20:16.07 | sinonick | okee, you do have a duplicate line. from your paste its line 4 which is same with line 7 (keep line 7, delete line 4) |
| 20:16.15 | beepie | okee, check again like you learned in elementary school. You have duplicate lines. |
| 20:16.37 | beepie | lol |
| 20:16.50 | okee | sinonick> Are you referring to my sources.list ??? |
| 20:16.54 | sinonick | yes |
| 20:17.00 | beepie | he's got duplicate lines. |
| 20:17.34 | sinonick | to be fair it's one line, and it's different, one with main and one with main contrib non-free |
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| 20:18.36 | beepie | that's duplicate, it's doing main twice, also the first line can be using contrib and non-free .. |
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| 20:19.08 | okee | sinonick> please restate your last message about the duplicates, and count blank lines as a line. I am having trouble understanding your message |
| 20:19.20 | sinonick | heh ok |
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| 20:19.29 | sinonick | sec |
| 20:19.37 | beepie | goes off for compiling |
| 20:20.37 | sinonick | okee, simply replace the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list with this: http://pastebin.com/miDwP9Kp |
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| 20:20.55 | sinonick | okee, afterwards do an apt-get update and you'll be fine |
| 20:21.14 | okee | sinonick> Thanks |
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| 20:27.05 | hey_joe | anyone bored and security minded? |
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| 20:27.18 | hey_joe | i have a system i need testing, PM me for details |
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| 20:42.05 | Gyndawyr | hey guys |
| 20:42.35 | Gyndawyr | on boot-up tiem I get "Failed to load firmware. Disabling GPU acceleration." |
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| 20:43.33 | Gyndawyr | I've got an RS690 chipset with a Radeon X1200(M). What do I do? |
| 20:44.06 | smw | Hi all. Any idea when Jessie will be released? I know of the latest freeze being Feb 5th, I was wondering how long after freeze they normally wait to call it "done" |
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| 20:44.44 | SynrGy | smw: there is timeline.debian.net if you want to see if you can figure out "trends" |
| 20:45.10 | smw | SynrGy, heh, thanks. So nothing is "official", they just release when ready? |
| 20:45.11 | SynrGy | smw: or else the announcements the release team makes to debian-devel-announce in its archives |
| 20:45.13 | iateadonut | how can i change the font size on a non-virtual terminal? |
| 20:45.19 | SynrGy | smw: yes, "release when ready" is the rule |
| 20:46.17 | Gyndawyr | Well what defines "ready" as opposed to "not ready"? |
| 20:46.26 | SynrGy | no more release critical bugs |
| 20:47.12 | SynrGy | either by fixing the bugs or removing the buggy packages. |
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| 20:47.28 | Gyndawyr | I guess that's the best you can do for smw's question :/ |
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| 20:48.18 | SynrGy | well, the release team usually has a good idea how well we're doing |
| 20:48.27 | SynrGy | and they make periodic reports to debian-devel-announce. |
| 20:48.38 | SynrGy | that's really the authoritative place to look for "best guesses" |
| 20:48.40 | SynrGy | :) |
| 20:48.57 | Gyndawyr | Right I have another one: I want to search for .kdbx files on my Debian & Windows partitions (using Debian to do it). How do I go about this? |
| 20:49.41 | Gyndawyr | I think I'm running Gnome w/Openbox right now, but I dunno how to search for stuff |
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| 20:50.18 | SynrGy | it would help narrow things down if you know where to look already, so: find /place-where-they-might-be -name '*.kdbx' |
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| 20:50.23 | Gr1 | Hi guys |
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| 20:50.40 | Gr1 | is there a way to automate reconfiguring locales on debian? |
| 20:50.43 | sinonick | Gyndawyr, what i would do is, install mlocate, run sudo updatedb and then do sudo locate *.kdbx |
| 20:50.46 | SynrGy | you could try: find / -name '*.kdbx' but that will probably search places you don't care to look |
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| 20:51.23 | Gr1 | locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 is not working |
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| 20:53.19 | kaje | I'm building a deb file for my application. I need to install another package first, but I need a specific architecture for that package. I've tried doing "Depends: libabc:i386" but it throws an error saying i386 is not allowed, only "all" is allowed. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 20:53.23 | Gyndawyr | thanks guys |
| 20:53.24 | sinonick | Gr1 did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 20:53.43 | SynrGy | Gyndawyr: for that matter, mlocate is Priority: standard so probably already installed for you |
| 20:53.45 | Gr1 | That works, but that is interactive |
| 20:53.51 | SynrGy | Gyndawyr: and the locatedb is rebuilt daily |
| 20:54.09 | Gr1 | sinonick: I am trying to get this automated. Has a huge list of servers to reconfigure |
| 20:54.10 | SynrGy | as long as these files existed yesterday, you should be all set to locate stuff |
| 20:54.16 | frezix | hi, I'm unfamiliar with the whole bug reporting thing, but could anyone tell me whether that Ubuntu bug has something to do with that Debian bug? - http://kpaste.net/c5da4 |
| 20:54.19 | Gyndawyr | I tried find / -name and it's come up with a .kdbx file that might actually have the account details I need on it :) |
| 20:54.28 | SynrGy | great |
| 20:54.33 | Gyndawyr | but I don't know if I remember the passwords to the key files |
| 20:54.38 | SynrGy | Gyndawyr: for future reference, the locate db is faster ... |
| 20:54.41 | SynrGy | but may not be complete |
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| 20:55.07 | Gyndawyr | I hate command line things. I didn't even grow up with it. I had windooz 95 |
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| 20:56.05 | JNixx | Gyndawyr: It's just a matter of getting used to it. But most people can live perfectly fine in the GUI, just like some people can live perfectly fine on the CMDline :) |
| 20:56.08 | SynrGy | Gyndawyr: but they are universal. everyone has a slightly different desktop and different tools ... |
| 20:56.11 | l1ar | Gyndawyr: I hate linux, too ;) |
| 20:56.44 | Gyndawyr | It's the best of a bad bunch |
| 20:56.50 | SynrGy | Gyndawyr: plus, describing how to navigate a gui to a specific feature can be a big pain |
| 20:56.56 | frezix | I force myself to use the CLI. It's the only way :( |
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| 20:57.59 | frezix | much learning was had, much learning is still to be had |
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| 20:58.18 | Gyndawyr | The only issue I've got with Debian for now is getting VPNs to work and getting my GPU firmware to work... |
| 20:58.29 | frezix | overall I'm quite amazed at how much legacy Linux stems from |
| 20:58.30 | Gyndawyr | Needless to say, I don't have either of these issues with windows. |
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| 20:59.01 | frezix | Gyndawyr: I use NetworkManager for VPNs. It's not an ideal solution but I found it was the easiest. |
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| 20:59.33 | julius_ | hi |
| 20:59.47 | frezix | hi |
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| 21:01.10 | julius_ | im running dnsmasq on my debian server, i would like my hosts to be reachable via: machinex.somelandomain.lan but assuming that the ip changes trough dhcp how do you tell the clients what domain they belong to? isnt the domain configured in /etc/hosts on every client? |
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| 21:04.16 | Gyndawyr | Guessing the passwords to these key files has not been productive -_- |
| 21:04.29 | vook | julius_: it's actually set in /etc/defaultdomain |
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| 21:04.53 | julius_ | vook, sure? theres no such file on my debian wheezy |
| 21:05.19 | julius_ | neither does that one exist on one of my other hosts |
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| 21:07.13 | vook | hmm, true, I'm on Jessie. try to "grep -R <domainname> /etc/*" and see if anything comes up. /etc/hosts isn't necessarily responsible for setting the domainname, but I'm possible confusing this with a different distro. |
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| 21:09.05 | ompaul | julius_: you can set them in /etc/hosts |
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| 21:11.39 | julius_ | ompaul, ok. but what happens if the client reconnects and gets a new IP via DHCP? |
| 21:11.50 | julius_ | ompaul, do i have to check /etc/hosts every time? |
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| 21:17.30 | leafwiz | Hey, I'm having trouble getting virtualbox to work. I get the error msg about kernel driver not installed. The thing is.. I don't have the /etc/init.d/vboxdrv . I have installed using apt-get install virtualbox. I'm running testing. have apt-get update/upgraded |
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| 21:19.08 | leafwiz | also when I do an apt-cache search linux-headers I only get headers for 3.14, but I have an 3.2.0-4-amd64 system |
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| 21:23.41 | tremon | leafwiz: if you have a 3.2.0 kernel, you're not running testing. At least not fuly |
| 21:23.52 | tremon | s/fuly/fully/ |
| 21:25.03 | hey_joe | any bored security junkies around? |
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| 21:28.23 | leafwiz | tremon: hmm.. /etc/debian_version: jessie/sid |
| 21:28.52 | leafwiz | but I have a list of packages kept back. |
| 21:29.52 | leafwiz | can this have something with me havinging: deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free in source.list? |
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| 21:31.11 | ompaul | ,spotify |
| 21:31.13 | ompaul | ,v spotify |
| 21:31.14 | judd | No package named 'spotify' was found in i386. |
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| 21:32.03 | ompaul | leafwiz: that isn't from debian who knows what it drags in |
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| 21:33.19 | leafwiz | ompaul: yeah.. maybe its that.. What is normaly the source of held back packages. Why are they held back? |
| 21:33.51 | ompaul | hash that out do this ; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:33.57 | ompaul | and then you should be up to date |
| 21:34.24 | leafwiz | how safe is dist-upgrade? |
| 21:34.24 | ompaul | hey_joe: ask your question and if they are sufficiently bored they might answer |
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| 21:34.35 | ompaul | leafwiz: it is the way to go to testing from stable |
| 21:34.45 | leafwiz | ah.. oki. |
| 21:34.51 | ompaul | or sid |
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| 21:35.08 | leafwiz | just curious why is it called The following packages have been kept back: |
| 21:35.10 | ompaul | you may have to do it a couple of times - warning - don't mix debian and non debian |
| 21:35.15 | leafwiz | ubs.. |
| 21:35.37 | leafwiz | why is it called jessie/sid |
| 21:35.47 | ompaul | because SID is always sid |
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| 21:35.52 | ompaul | jessie will be the next version |
| 21:35.56 | ompaul | you'll get there |
| 21:36.20 | ompaul | it should be testing so I'd like to see in paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:36.27 | ompaul | only on paste.debian |
| 21:36.36 | leafwiz | sid is the stable? and jessie is the new stable |
| 21:37.10 | ompaul | no |
| 21:37.14 | ompaul | stable is wheezy |
| 21:37.23 | ompaul | testing / and sid are the next versions |
| 21:37.37 | ompaul | rather than this side street please paste as asked |
| 21:37.43 | leafwiz | http://paste.debian.net/118274/ |
| 21:38.28 | leafwiz | how does it look? |
| 21:39.05 | ompaul | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting is something you shoud read |
| 21:39.15 | ompaul | I'd just hash out the spotify stuff |
| 21:39.30 | ompaul | because I have no idea what that is going to do and in fact I'd remove it now |
| 21:39.33 | ompaul | then I'd get on with it |
| 21:39.48 | ompaul | but if you don't know what testing is you really shouldn't run it |
| 21:40.05 | ompaul | it can get a bit messy now and again (not too often) |
| 21:40.21 | ompaul | but when it does you are supposed to be able to wait for the fix |
| 21:40.26 | ompaul | or fix it yourself |
| 21:40.40 | ompaul | you can check in irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
| 21:40.48 | ompaul | it is the channel for testing and sid support |
| 21:41.00 | ompaul | sid will become testing and testing will become stable |
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| 21:41.17 | ompaul | when testing becomes stable i.e. a release happens the next release name will be jessie |
| 21:41.51 | ompaul | hey_joe: still no question |
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| 21:46.50 | hey_joe | ompaul: i was needing someone to test a box i have |
| 21:46.55 | hey_joe | thats all |
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| 21:47.13 | hey_joe | everyone seems grump and too full of themselves. keep referring me elsewhere lol |
| 21:47.18 | hey_joe | thank you tho |
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| 21:47.46 | hey_joe | if i only had my own ivory tower ;) |
| 21:47.48 | ompaul | hey_joe: nmap -T5 -sV -sC machinename-goes-here |
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| 21:48.13 | ompaul | hey_joe: nmap -T5 -sV -sC -p 0-65535 machinename-goes-here |
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| 21:48.27 | ompaul | hey_joe: then work out what you see |
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| 21:48.41 | ompaul | hey_joe: you running a secure web server thats a different command |
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| 21:51.43 | leafwiz | so xfce is the new standard desktop env? |
| 21:52.00 | ompaul | leafwiz: what desktop do you want |
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| 21:52.45 | ompaul | leafwiz: until release is released that may change |
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| 21:53.42 | leafwiz | I used to use gnome2 but that is going out of fashon. So I'm learning xfce. I could use mate, but I like the lightweightness of xfce |
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| 21:54.51 | ompaul | well apt-get install tasksel then |
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| 21:55.04 | ompaul | look with apt-cache search for task xfc |
| 21:55.15 | ompaul | and install the meta pacakge after that you do your own thing |
| 21:55.29 | leafwiz | what is tasksel? |
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| 21:56.01 | leafwiz | ah taskselect |
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| 21:57.46 | leafwiz | system upgraded, thx for the help. Hope spotify still works.. Kinda like my mjozic :) |
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| 22:07.16 | kirin` | I accidentally typed sudo rm -rf .* in the $HOME, then I stopped with ^C, but dotfile between .a and .c have been deleted. Are there important dotfiles amongst them besides .bash*? |
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| 22:07.52 | ChibaPet | It really depends entirely on what you have installed. Losing .config might be inconvenient. |
| 22:09.31 | kirin` | ChibaPet: fortunately the deletion has arrived till .cache, so .config is there |
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| 22:10.20 | kirin` | does rm -rf delete in alphabetical order, right? Sequentially |
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| 22:12.56 | linuxthefish | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eCsPpyRX how can i set this to boot into windows server 2008, which menu item number is it to edit in /etc/default/grub ? |
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| 22:39.45 | jaymaker_ | Hey guys |
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| 22:50.40 | TJP | !ask |
| 22:50.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:51.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:51.48 | TJP | was wondering if jaymaker_ had a question |
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| 22:52.04 | abrotman | sometimes they just say hello and lurk :) |
| 22:52.10 | jaymaker_ | Oh! |
| 22:52.19 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. |
| 22:52.30 | TJP | am I once more futzing up with #debian etiquette abrotman? |
| 22:52.35 | Lady_Aleena | lurks for now. |
| 22:52.38 | TJP | Seems to be the going practice. |
| 22:52.49 | jaymaker_ | JHow do I do a complete and total cleanup of everything? (get rid of broken files/dependencies/etc?) |
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| 22:53.47 | TJP | ah |
| 22:54.09 | TJP | jaymaker_, why not just backup and restore? |
| 22:54.17 | sunn__ | hi. I just installed stable onto my new laptop, but I can't seem to get the tty console resolution right. with my old crappier machines, running "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" would do the trick, but in this case it won't work, and Debian still seems to think that my Thinkpad's resolution is much lower than it really is. any ideas? |
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| 22:58.52 | TJP | jaymaker_, Drivers? |
| 22:59.26 | TJP | sunn: Drivers? |
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| 22:59.59 | sunn | TJP: you mean my video drivers? sorry, I'm a hardware noob |
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| 23:00.55 | TJP | jaymaker_, sorry was going to tell you you might be interested in running in a virtual machine and taking snapshots when the system is the way you like it and storing all files on a different partition. Otherwise, you could just dd the system when you have it set up the way you like and store your files on a different partition |
| 23:01.14 | TJP | sunn, yes. Are they loaded and correct? |
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| 23:02.06 | sunn | TJP: I know how to check loaded kernel modules, but I'm not sure if I'd know if they are "correct". I can look now though. I *do* know that I do not have this problem after upgrading to testing, though. |
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| 23:04.32 | TJP | sorry I'm pretty noob myself, just first thing that came to mind and no one else seemed to be responding with better suggestions. |
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| 23:05.27 | sunn | TJP: thanks for answering either way. if I find anything I'll post it up |
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| 23:07.10 | TJP | sunn, I'd appreciate it. Trying to learn whatever I can |
| 23:07.19 | sunn | same |
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| 23:17.53 | drith | I have only one statement I love debian |
| 23:18.04 | sunn | ok, new issue... I did dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and set "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace" to kill X. however, it doesn't work. anywhere I can look to see what's happening when I try this key combo? |
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| 23:20.33 | sunn | again this is another problem that I do not have with testing. I'd still like to make stable work on this machine though. oddly enough my older crappier machines worked much better under stable. |
| 23:22.17 | sunn | maybe that isn't so odd actually |
| 23:22.29 | TJP | I was just about to suggest that thought |
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| 23:23.10 | TJP | not sure what sort of support is built into the basic kernel and if any is added during the update/upgrade steps. |
| 23:23.47 | sunn | ugh. with testing I don't have these small yet extremely irritating problems, yet my network related stuff is way more reliable with stable. what a toss-up |
| 23:24.05 | sunn | yeah I need to read deeper and learn more about that stuff |
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| 23:25.35 | inthl | hm, what is cgroup_attach_task_pid failed: 50002 ? |
| 23:25.40 | sunn | just somebody stop me from installing ubuntu in an attempt to just go on with my life |
| 23:26.09 | sunn | bc I'm coming close |
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| 23:36.10 | jmcnaught | sunn: I use Debian Stable at home precisely because I would rather use my computer than have to fix small problems all the time. I think only getting newer versions of most software every couple of years is really not so bad. Wheezy is very usable not really outdated especially in terms of "things you can do". There's always stuff like chroots/vms/bootable usb sticks for playing around with Testing or Unstable to check out the latest ... |
| 23:36.16 | jmcnaught | ... versions of stuff |
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| 23:38.58 | sunn | jmcnaught: thing is, I've used stable for a long time with older machines, and agree with you exactly re: why use stable at home. however I just got a new laptop, and now stable seems to have these small but very glaring (for me) problems now that I did not have before. not being able to kill X, and not being able to adjust the TTY resolution is pretty bad for me. |
| 23:39.40 | sunn | and by "not being able to kill X" I mean, not with a keyboard combination as defined using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 23:40.09 | jmcnaught | sunn: ahh that's too bad. cutting edge hardware kinda sucks on Linux sometimes. Presumably if I scroll up far enough you've been trying to resolve these issues on Wheezy? |
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| 23:40.31 | sunn | but anyway I've bitched enough, hopefully someone who has had similar problems will see my messages. going to restart now and test a few things |
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| 23:41.32 | sunn | jmcnaught: yeah, I am on Wheezy. I don;t have these problems on testing with this new machine, but the problems which I have on testing only are worse, so I am trying to make stable work again. |
| 23:41.50 | yeboot | hi, I'm on wheezy and I can't figure out for the life of me (googling, searching apt) how to install cpython |
| 23:42.35 | yeboot | I mean to be able to call the cpython compiler, I know it's probably the one installed |
| 23:42.40 | sunn | jmcnaught, thanks for your responses either way my friend |
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| 23:43.19 | jmcnaught | yeboot: it's probably already installed. "Cpython" is just the Python project's "codename" for the default Python interpreter. If you run "python" from the terminal, the Python that runs is cpython |
| 23:43.44 | yeboot | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 23:47.07 | jmcnaught | sunn: i didn't realize that there were debconf questions about ctrl+alt+backspace for killing X in keyboard-configuration, but you can enable this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d) |
| 23:47.47 | yeboot | enable zap |
| 23:47.52 | yeboot | troll your friends |
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| 23:49.54 | jmcnaught | sunn: http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/xorg-docs/input/XKB-Config.html#id2548546 there is an example here |
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| 23:50.53 | sunn | jmcnaught: thanks a lot. never thought to try setxkbmap for it. |
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