| 00:01.00 | uniqdom | hey... is there somewhere a log of this irc channel?? |
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| 00:01.29 | sabazyo | I get an error with libvirt is "libvirtError: unsupported configuration: setting ACPI S3 not supported". I see not too much or it vien, any idea? |
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| 00:06.49 | nkuttler | !tell uniqdom about irclog |
| 00:07.00 | FreeNow | needs help manually setting DNS servers |
| 00:07.04 | uniqdom | thanks! |
| 00:08.15 | phy1729 | FreeNow: have you decided on which dns server? |
| 00:08.27 | FreeNow | phy1729 Yea I'm trying to add opendns |
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| 00:09.55 | FreeNow | I added a line to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:09.58 | FreeNow | phy1729 |
| 00:10.20 | FreeNow | phy1729 after installing resolvconf |
| 00:10.21 | phy1729 | oh you aren't running the resolver just using them |
| 00:10.56 | FreeNow | phy1729 what do you mean? |
| 00:10.59 | phy1729 | I just edit resolv.conf myself and don't use the resolvconf package |
| 00:11.11 | FreeNow | phy1729 when I did that it was overwritten almost immediately |
| 00:11.27 | phy1729 | do you use dhcp to get the address? |
| 00:12.02 | FreeNow | phy1729 I think so? this kind of stuff is not my strong suit |
| 00:12.27 | FreeNow | phy1729 how do I check? I'm using KDE and I can't find a program to edit DNS settings via a GUI |
| 00:12.40 | phy1729 | can you post your /etc/networking/interfaces somewhere? |
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| 00:13.29 | FreeNow | phy1729 I'll just pm the lines to you, it's really empty |
| 00:14.47 | FreeNow | phy1729 that's the whole file |
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| 00:15.00 | FreeNow | I omitted the comments |
| 00:15.09 | abrotman | please use paste.debian.net |
| 00:15.39 | FreeNow | ok |
| 00:15.49 | themill | FreeNow: are you using network-manager through KDE? |
| 00:16.15 | FreeNow | http://paste.debian.net/118842/ |
| 00:16.50 | FreeNow | themill when I run network-manager from the terminal it shows nothing for about 2 seconds and then the program ends |
| 00:17.06 | themill | you don't run network-manager from the terminal |
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| 00:17.31 | FreeNow | themill what do I do |
| 00:17.38 | FreeNow | is very nooby on this |
| 00:18.04 | themill | FreeNow: is there a "NetworkManager" process currently running? |
| 00:18.41 | FreeNow | themill don't see it, no |
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| 00:19.26 | FreeNow | themill I'm looking in system monito |
| 00:19.28 | FreeNow | r |
| 00:19.28 | themill | So how *are* you configuring your network? |
| 00:19.48 | FreeNow | themill wireless icon -> click network -> connect |
| 00:20.02 | themill | right... through NetworkManager. |
| 00:20.11 | FreeNow | themill oh, didn't know that was networkmanager |
| 00:20.21 | FreeNow | themill and besides I don't see anything in there about editing DNS settings |
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| 00:20.38 | themill | So if you click on "Manage Connections" you'll get a dialogue box that lets you edit the connect. |
| 00:20.40 | FreeNow | themill if you go to network management settings there is nothing there that I see |
| 00:21.06 | themill | Change the connection method to be "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only" |
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| 00:21.52 | FreeNow | themill under ipv6? am I in the right place? |
| 00:22.02 | themill | Are you using ipv6? |
| 00:22.04 | FreeNow | themill I didn't see "manage connections" just a wrench icon |
| 00:22.06 | FreeNow | themill idk |
| 00:22.34 | FreeNow | themill oh wait it says ignored so that's probably a "no" |
| 00:23.25 | uniqdom | apt-get sources <package>, downloads debian <package> sources to the current folder... is there a common folder for sources ... something like /usr/local/sources... is that i don't want the sources to be in my /home/user folder |
| 00:23.54 | uniqdom | ? |
| 00:24.02 | FreeNow | themill figured it out |
| 00:24.06 | FreeNow | themill thanks |
| 00:24.44 | themill | uniqdom: you can do it anywhere you like. I tend to use /tmp/pkgs if I'm just having a fiddle with a package for 5 minutes or ~/debian/packages/ if it's something I'm likely to look at again. |
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| 00:25.27 | uniqdom | ok.. so there is not a standard folder for the sources |
| 00:25.32 | uniqdom | thanks :) |
| 00:26.10 | dvs | thought it was /usr/local/src |
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| 00:27.01 | geturafr1nordr | Database connection lost! 5 retries until I give up entirely! |
| 00:27.01 | uniqdom | dvs :D |
| 00:27.14 | uniqdom | don't know how i didn't see it |
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| 00:27.44 | themill | I've never felt the desire to use locations like that... and they encourage building as root which is silly |
| 00:28.33 | uniqdom | why not just chmod the folder, or a sub folder... or just chown? |
| 00:28.51 | themill | The FHS also says that location is for reference source code and not for building. |
| 00:28.57 | dvs | uniqdom: or add yourself to the staff group |
| 00:29.06 | uniqdom | yep |
| 00:29.08 | themill | uniqdom: if I was going to do that, I'd just use ~/ |
| 00:29.15 | uniqdom | ok right |
| 00:29.43 | themill | Adding someone to the staff group gives you access to quite a lot of the system. It's potentially root-equivalent. |
| 00:29.58 | dvs | oh? It's not a personal system? |
| 00:30.10 | uniqdom | :o |
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| 00:30.32 | themill | Even if it's a personal system, you can't keep a build system under control if it does something wrong |
| 00:30.34 | uniqdom | i will just chown a subfolder there |
| 00:30.54 | dvs | uniqdom: sounds good. |
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| 00:52.11 | abrotman | geturafr1nordr: turn that off |
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| 00:52.27 | cafuego | abrotman: It's a spambot |
| 00:52.33 | cafuego | a failing spambot |
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| 00:52.45 | slashwaves | any body on? |
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| 00:53.07 | abrotman | cafuego: it has one more try to connect to its db :) |
| 00:53.29 | cafuego | abrotman: it shouldn't have chosen mongo, clearly. |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | would that thought MS Access |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | would have thought .. wtf |
| 00:54.00 | dvs | thinks mysql ;-> |
| 00:54.53 | slashwaves | I need to install debian for simple http server, which iso's should I use? |
| 00:55.26 | cafuego | slashwaves: I'd get the netinst iso, assuming you have internet access during installation. |
| 00:56.38 | slashwaves | cafuego, yes I have |
| 00:56.46 | cafuego | netinst then |
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| 00:57.06 | cafuego | Do not be tempted to choose the 'web server' task during install. |
| 00:57.22 | slashwaves | does it need extra config when installing? |
| 00:57.40 | cafuego | How do you mean? |
| 00:57.52 | dvs | LAMP? |
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| 00:58.37 | abrotman | slashwaves: of course it does .. |
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| 00:58.50 | abrotman | slashwaves: the installer doesn't know about your website |
| 00:59.04 | slashwaves | sorry, I'm really new, I mean when I install a new one, there is config for setup ip address? |
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| 00:59.56 | cafuego | geturafr1nordr: No, shoo. |
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| 01:00.11 | cafuego | slashwaves: Yup, you'll be prompted for all the details. |
| 01:00.35 | cafuego | slashwaves: network settings, root user, non-root user. |
| 01:01.01 | slashwaves | my process stop when installer load component from cd |
| 01:01.20 | slashwaves | failed to copy file from CD-ROM |
| 01:01.25 | cafuego | Can you check the CD via the initial menu? Make sure it's not corrupted? |
| 01:01.26 | dharc | hey guys, can i use kde without pulseaudio? |
| 01:01.41 | dvs | dharc: I am |
| 01:01.49 | slashwaves | cafuego, I write iso to memstick using dd |
| 01:02.04 | dharc | dvs: kde-full? |
| 01:02.11 | dvs | slashwaves: you wrote it to /dev/sdx1 and not /dev/sdx |
| 01:02.21 | dvs | dharc: probably not |
| 01:02.24 | slashwaves | oh |
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| 01:03.25 | slashwaves | dvs, so I need to create partition first? |
| 01:03.32 | dvs | slashwaves: no |
| 01:04.02 | slashwaves | so? |
| 01:04.19 | cafuego | slashwaves: Write the iso to the raw device, not a partition on the device. |
| 01:04.43 | dharc | and about change binutils and gcc in favor of llvm and clang, is it possible? |
| 01:04.54 | slashwaves | cafuego, so the command is dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=512? |
| 01:04.58 | dvs | no |
| 01:05.20 | dvs | slashwaves: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 01:05.22 | cafuego | Is there a specific usb key image? |
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| 01:05.45 | slashwaves | dvs, I have do it |
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| 01:06.11 | dvs | slashwaves: look carefully, especially at the last character |
| 01:06.33 | slashwaves | yeah I know /dev/sdb ? |
| 01:06.46 | dvs | yes |
| 01:07.05 | dvs | or where ever the USB stick is. |
| 01:07.10 | slashwaves | dvs, I have do it |
| 01:07.45 | dvs | slashwaves: Not sure what you mean? Did you do it or are you going to do it? |
| 01:08.06 | slashwaves | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.11 | dvs | that's wrong |
| 01:08.24 | slashwaves | but you say that "you wrote it to /dev/sdx1 and not /dev/sdx" |
| 01:08.38 | slashwaves | sorry |
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| 01:08.51 | dvs | yes, the first is wrong, the second is right |
| 01:08.51 | slashwaves | I mean dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512 |
| 01:08.51 | jmcnaught | slashwaves: as dvs has been trying to explain, you want "sdb" not "sdb1". Also you can use the "cp" command instead of "dd" |
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| 01:10.56 | slashwaves | so |
| 01:11.23 | slashwaves | so any clue for error reading from CD-ROM? |
| 01:11.28 | dvs | .... |
| 01:11.48 | dvs | slashwaves: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512 |
| 01:11.49 | dvs | do that |
| 01:11.57 | dvs | can't put it any clearer |
| 01:12.08 | slashwaves | dvs, yes I do |
| 01:12.16 | dvs | gives up |
| 01:12.43 | slashwaves | any corrupt from my iso's? |
| 01:12.57 | jmcnaught | slashwaves: If you haven't already, you should read over the installation manual. Preparing the USB stick and all other parts of the installation are covered in this excellent manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en |
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| 01:18.47 | montyboy | dvs: in the installer menu select to open a shell and mount the usb to /cdrom |
| 01:19.02 | dvs | huh? |
| 01:19.26 | slashwaves | montyboy, how is the command |
| 01:19.43 | montyboy | slashwaves, not dvs |
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| 01:22.03 | slashwaves | montyboy, command for mounting please? |
| 01:22.36 | jmcnaught | slashwaves: why do you need to mount a cdrom during the installer? |
| 01:23.18 | dvs | montyboy: the problem is that slashwaves did not copy the ISO file to the USB flash drive properly |
| 01:23.25 | slashwaves | jmcnaught, montyboy advise me to mounting usb to /cdrom |
| 01:24.12 | montyboy | jmcnaught: I ran into this issue with the testing installer, it states the cdrom cannot be found. The workaround for me was to enter the shell and mountd the usb to /cdrom. |
| 01:24.13 | slashwaves | dvs, what do you mean? |
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| 01:24.18 | jmcnaught | slashwaves: it sounds to me like you don't understand the installation process. I strongly recommend reading the install manual. If you don't know how to do something, reading the instructions is key |
| 01:24.51 | montyboy | dvs: ah, ok. that's step one for sure. |
| 01:25.11 | dvs | slashwaves: you get the "ISO not found error" when the ISO image is not copied to the USB flash drive properly |
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| 01:26.10 | slashwaves | dvs, I have booting normaly and I get error when installer find component from cdrom |
| 01:26.31 | dvs | slashwaves: doesn't matter if it boots properly, it will give that error. |
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| 01:27.58 | slashwaves | I have copied properly to memstick with dd if=debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512; sync |
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| 01:29.59 | dvs | slashwaves: I'd check the MD5 sum of the iso. If that's correct, you can use the copy method to get the ISO image on the USB flash drive. |
| 01:30.22 | snow_ | hi all, i do not have sound as any non root user on fresh install, any ideas? |
| 01:30.38 | snow_ | the accound has been added to the audio group |
| 01:30.44 | dvs | !tell snow_ about alsa checklist |
| 01:31.32 | snow_ | ill give that a go thanks |
| 01:31.36 | slashwaves | dvs, I have check it with md5sum, and it's ok |
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| 01:33.05 | dvs | slashwaves: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 01:33.18 | BigMouthCommie | using wheezy, installed cordova on npm, and when i try to start a project, it throws an error. something about listing android targets... http://paste.debian.net/118848/ |
| 01:33.20 | dvs | if that doesnt work, I have no idea what it is. |
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| 01:34.47 | snow_ | hi, i went through the checklist. nothing sticks out... |
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| 01:38.11 | snow_ | dvs |
| 01:39.01 | dvs | snow_: I don't believe you did the things on the checklist. |
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| 01:40.53 | snow_ | dvs how do i show you that i did |
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| 01:43.51 | dvs | snow_: Run speaker-test -c 2 -t wav as root then as regular user. |
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| 01:45.29 | snow_ | nothing as regular, root it performs properly |
| 01:45.32 | snow_ | dvs |
| 01:46.07 | dvs | not sure what it could be then |
| 01:46.08 | jhutchins | snow_: You need to be a member of the audio group. |
| 01:46.54 | snow_ | the account is a member of the audio group |
| 01:47.07 | dvs | <snow_> the accound has been added to the audio group |
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| 01:50.28 | themill | snow_: did you log out and then log back in after adding yourself to the audio group? |
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| 01:51.39 | snow_ | yes, although i was already added |
| 01:51.44 | snow_ | the mill |
| 01:51.47 | snow_ | themill |
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| 01:55.30 | jhutchins | snow_: try this: create a new user, member of the audio group, log in as that user and see what audio does, |
| 01:56.14 | snow_ | ok |
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| 01:59.28 | snow_ | brb |
| 01:59.35 | fishcooker | i've got the strange email from cpanel.com.. AFAIK the right domain cpanel.net |
| 01:59.46 | dvs | heh. I bet it will work now |
| 01:59.50 | jhutchins | !cpanel |
| 01:59.50 | dpkg | cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 01:59.55 | fishcooker | i've inspected then i go this http://paste.debian.net/118850/ |
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| 02:00.17 | fishcooker | would you please inspect first jhutchins |
| 02:00.30 | jhutchins | fishcooker: Who are you providing cpanel for? |
| 02:00.32 | fishcooker | that's my dig inspection.. it seems different mx |
| 02:01.19 | fishcooker | i just want to know |
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| 02:02.10 | jhutchins | That make absolutely no sense at all. |
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| 02:02.46 | jhutchins | fishcooker: Why do you care what the mx records for cpanel are? |
| 02:02.58 | snow_ | didnt work, the user i created cant use audio at all |
| 02:03.40 | fishcooker | no idea jhutchins.. just curious if that email just a hoax from cpanel.com |
| 02:03.41 | jhutchins | snow_: Then something has the wrong permissions somewhere. Is a clean instlal an option? What release are you using? |
| 02:03.54 | fishcooker | thankyou jhutchins |
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| 02:04.22 | snow_ | jhurchins sure i can reinstall, however i have done that twice now. im using amd64 jessie |
| 02:04.42 | jhutchins | snow_: Does the problem occur if you install stable? |
| 02:05.11 | snow_ | jhutchins: i dont have a way of installing stable at the moment |
| 02:05.29 | snow_ | jhutchins: unless i can netboot or something |
| 02:06.23 | jhutchins | snow_: Well, the thing is that sometimes things don't work in testing. That's what it's for. |
| 02:06.53 | jhutchins | snow_: You migh ask in #debian-next on oftc.net - they tend to know problems specific to testing. |
| 02:07.04 | snow_ | jhutchins: i know, but i didnt choose testing |
| 02:07.17 | snow_ | jhutchins: ill give it a try- thank you |
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| 02:07.57 | snow_ | jhutchins: can you send that irc info again? |
| 02:08.40 | jhutchins | snow_: You migh ask in #debian-next on oftc.net - they tend to know problems specific to testing. |
| 02:10.12 | fishcooker | !free whcp |
| 02:10.12 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 02:11.33 | hhmmm | hi how should an xterm or a screen session read ~/.profile now? |
| 02:12.07 | hhmmm | before wheezy my .profile was always read, now only in tty |
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| 02:14.05 | themill | hhmmm: x-terminal-emulators and screen tend not to run login shells and only login shells source .profile. Non-login shells will source .bashrc |
| 02:15.22 | hhmmm | i only use it to add ~/bin to $PATH, should I do that in .bashrc now? |
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| 02:16.36 | jhutchins | hhmmm: tias |
| 02:17.09 | themill | This isn't a recent change though. |
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| 02:20.02 | igi | hhmmm: /etc/profile, ~/.profile are be read by a login shell. |
| 02:21.03 | igi | hhmmm: login from ssh, login from console, etc. |
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| 02:22.09 | fishcooker | !scam |
| 02:22.09 | dpkg | scam is, like, (SCSI Configured Auto-Magically) This SCAM is actually a good thing. It allows SCSI devices to automatically (or automagically--don't make me barf) be configured with an ID number, even if they aren't assigned one. This makes adding SCSI devices much easier. You don't have to fool around with a bunch of jumpers or worry about assigning two devices to the same ID. Everything is done for you. |
| 02:22.23 | fishcooker | !scam email |
| 02:22.33 | fishcooker | !phising |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | fishcooker: feel free to msg the bot |
| 02:22.53 | fishcooker | thanks LoL |
| 02:22.59 | dvs | sends a letter to dpkg |
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| 02:28.25 | hhmmm | ok so for ssh I'll start screen from .profile instead of .bashrc, that works |
| 02:28.30 | snow_ | jholden: hey... can you send the irc info again... sorry |
| 02:29.20 | snow_ | jholden: i got it, thanks |
| 02:31.34 | igi | hhmmm: btw, .profile will load .bashrc when your shell is an interactive login shell in Debian. |
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| 02:32.36 | igi | hhmmm: of course, just bash |
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| 02:34.05 | igi | hhmmm: U can read the code of .profile and .bashrc, and u will get it. |
| 02:35.07 | hhmmm | i just moved the same screen startup lines from .bashrc to .profile, now the $PATH is passed to screen though it wasn't before |
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| 02:46.21 | hhmmm | so for xfce4 is it up to lightdm to pass on the $PATH or read .profile ? |
| 02:46.24 | rikekike | what is an internet package i can install with apt-get |
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| 02:46.34 | rikekike | i created a new user and firefox from root didn't copy over |
| 02:46.40 | rikekike | i have no browser now |
| 02:47.11 | hhmmm | I'm pretty sure that stuff in ~/bin was available in an xterm and in alt-f2 runbox before wheezy |
| 02:48.20 | hhmmm | rikekike, i don't think you should run firefox as root |
| 02:48.29 | themill | hhmmm: some display managers will source .profile at login time. The behaviour isn't universal though |
| 02:48.56 | rikekike | hhmmm: why? is there a difference? |
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| 02:49.04 | hhmmm | ok i've got an idea where to look now |
| 02:49.35 | igi | rikekike: iceweasel? is that you want? |
| 02:50.05 | rikekike | well i did manage to figure out how to install firefox and remove iceweasel (i don't like the name) that's why i chose firefox |
| 02:50.34 | themill | yeah umm... |
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| 02:54.49 | rryoumaa | themill: maybe the drive decided the sectors were ok after all (http://www.smartmontools.org/browser/trunk/www/badblockhowto.xml) |
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| 02:56.03 | BigMouthCommie | stidll trying to fix my dev stack. cordova will not complete platform add android |
| 02:56.15 | BigMouthCommie | http://paste.debian.net/118848/ |
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| 03:10.58 | MrFifths | hey, I have a bit of a problem |
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| 03:23.25 | cafuego | Apply this ointment twice a day for the next week and a half. And a courtesy call to your "special friends" probably couldn't go amiss. |
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| 04:02.48 | hhmmm | hi, fixed my $PATH being loaded in xfce by doing it in ~/.xsessionrc |
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| 04:04.19 | igi | hhmmm: emm. All roads lead to Rome. |
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| 04:05.39 | rryoumaa | i am trying to find out what file corresponds to the lba |
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| 04:06.20 | hhmmm | cheers :D |
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| 04:08.54 | spencerz | im trying to boot from this debian cd but the screen flashes after i try to boot the kernel from the grubmenu |
| 04:09.07 | spencerz | i tried booting with acpi`-+ |
| 04:09.08 | spencerz | ` |
| 04:09.08 | spencerz | -+ |
| 04:09.26 | spencerz | sorry dropped the keyboard |
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| 04:10.13 | igi | rryoumaa: try tune2fs. tune2fs -l /dev/xxx |
| 04:10.17 | spencerz | i tried booting with acpi=off what else could i try? it is an older computer, intel pentium 3 |
| 04:10.39 | spencerz | im trying to boot from the net install cd |
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| 04:13.11 | spencerz | maybe try nomodeset |
| 04:14.37 | spencerz | that doesnt work either |
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| 04:20.03 | uniqdom | spencerz: did you try a memory check? memtest? |
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| 04:20.51 | uniqdom | just an idea... maybe is a problem with your ram ... just a thought |
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| 04:26.07 | spencerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.54 | uniqdom | don't know ... and i don't have one here to check |
| 04:28.23 | spencerz | uniqdom, you know of a small iso off the top of your head that has it on it? |
| 04:29.15 | uniqdom | http://www.memtest.org/#downiso |
| 04:29.43 | spencerz | uniqdom, thanks |
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| 04:31.05 | uniqdom | i didn't knew that they were "really" small |
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| 04:34.40 | spencerz | uniqdom, very nice just what i need |
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| 05:00.57 | newmember | what does a file with a "?" mean: ?--------- 21503 root 8205 0 Mar 23 1970 9011715 |
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| 05:05.34 | Disconsented | Recommended webserver for installing drupal onto? (Debian 7) |
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| 05:05.49 | Disconsented | Or doesn't it really matter and apache will worj? |
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| 05:08.59 | newmember | Disconsented: I use apache |
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| 05:09.24 | civillian | newmember: what are the parent directory permissions? |
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| 05:10.14 | newmember | civillian: hmmm, parent directory permissions dont list |
| 05:10.41 | newmember | civillian: # ls -al |
| 05:10.43 | newmember | total 0 |
| 05:10.47 | civillian | newmember: make sure you have execute permissions on the parents |
| 05:10.52 | newmember | I dont get anything |
| 05:11.18 | civillian | newmember: # ls -al . |
| 05:11.32 | newmember | Disconsented: have you used Drush before? |
| 05:11.43 | Disconsented | First I have heard of it |
| 05:11.44 | Disconsented | So no |
| 05:11.51 | civillian | first drupal install? |
| 05:12.02 | Disconsented | Yep |
| 05:12.18 | civillian | you'll want it sooner or later |
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| 05:13.45 | Disconsented | Not useful to me atm |
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| 05:17.30 | newmember | Disconsented: I use ispconfig3 to set up virtual sites and then use the package manager in ispconfig3 to whip up drupal sites very quickly |
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| 05:19.57 | newmember | civillian: # ls -al . |
| 05:19.59 | newmember | total 0 |
| 05:23.35 | Disconsented | How lightweight is that? |
| 05:23.52 | Disconsented | newmember: ^ |
| 05:24.16 | newmember | Disconsented: lightweight? |
| 05:24.35 | newmember | Disconsented: what do you mean lightweight? |
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| 05:24.49 | Disconsented | The VPS I am running this off has 512MB RAM total |
| 05:25.16 | Disconsented | I want to know how much its going to use in terms of Disk/RAM primarily |
| 05:25.56 | newmember | ispcong3 is just a web gui for configuring apache, mysql etc. no preformance hit while not in use |
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| 05:26.14 | Disconsented | Sounds good to me |
| 05:26.15 | Disconsented | Cheers |
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| 05:27.22 | newmember | Disconsented: here use this prebuilt script to install ispconfig3: https://github.com/dclardy64/ISPConfig-3-Debian-Installer |
| 05:30.01 | newmember | civillian: thoughts? #ls -al . |
| 05:30.02 | newmember | total 0 |
| 05:31.09 | civillian | newmember: # ls -ld . |
| 05:31.47 | newmember | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:31.49 | newmember | drwxrwxrwx 12 tomcat staff 4096 Aug 28 02:00 . |
| 05:32.00 | newbieAlert | hey guys |
| 05:32.09 | civillian | newmember: is it an NFS mount? |
| 05:32.24 | newbieAlert | is there a way to declare abfunction atvcompile time and define it at runtime. |
| 05:32.26 | newbieAlert | ?? |
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| 05:32.40 | Disconsented | Do I need to install the DNS server? (I have rented a domain via namecheap) |
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| 05:33.20 | newmember | civillian: /dev/sdb1 /home/odin ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 05:34.02 | newmember | Disconsented: ispconfig sets up a dns server for you as well. But if you want a public dns you have to set a few things up |
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| 05:35.15 | civillian | newmember: ls -ld /home/odin |
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| 05:35.57 | newmember | # ls -ld /home/odin |
| 05:35.58 | newmember | drwxrwxrwx 12 root root 4096 Nov 17 2012 /home/odin |
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| 05:37.28 | newmember | Disconsented: yes you will need a DNS server. ispconfig sets one up for you. You will have to add nameservers to your domain and open some firewall ports to enable external users to access your dns server. Maybe 'namecheap' has a free dns server you can use instead? |
| 05:37.58 | civillian | newmember: what is the full path to the file in question? |
| 05:38.00 | jarray52 | I have the following services running, and I don't remember installing them. (rpcbind 111, netbios-ssn 139, microsoft-ds 445, iss-realsecure 902, smtp 25). What's the best way to get info on how these got installed? |
| 05:38.06 | Disconsented | They have a free DNS, so I don't need to install it /? |
| 05:38.36 | newmember | civillian: /home/odin/confluence/confluence-2.3.1 |
| 05:38.48 | civillian | newmember: gaaahh confluence... |
| 05:38.57 | civillian | v2? |
| 05:39.24 | newmember | civillian: lol y ai know. its old and I was asked to help. I am trying to determine what was set up |
| 05:40.36 | civillian | jarray52: rpcbind is NFS server, netbios and microsoft-ds is samba, not sure about 902.. smtp 25 will be postfix or exim on debian. you could try /var/log/apt* |
| 05:40.47 | civillian | jarray52: you may have selected 'server' at install time. |
| 05:40.58 | civillian | or file server or whatever its called |
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| 05:42.11 | jarray52 | civillian: I installed this system over a year ago, and I've run nmap before. I don't recall seeing stuff listening on these ports. |
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| 05:42.49 | civillian | jarray52: someone could have installed them |
| 05:44.45 | jarray52 | civillian: Hmm... No one else has direct access to this machine. And, I'm not important enough to target. I did run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade. It installed a bunch of stuff. I wonder if this stuff just got pulled in recently. |
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| 05:45.38 | civillian | jarray52: you must have installed them previously, no other explanation |
| 05:45.56 | themill | jarray52: 139 and 445 are standard ports for samba. You could look at your apt logs to see when samba was installed. |
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| 05:49.03 | jarray52 | themill: samba got installed with the last sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 05:49.06 | jarray52 | I see it |
| 05:50.00 | pkay | hello. for some reason i can't switch tabs by using CTRL + 1/2/3... using iceweasel and xfce. I've made sure that these shortcuts aren't being mapped to something else related to XFCE, but I can't still use them |
| 05:50.08 | pkay | CTRL + tab works fine, but the numbers aren't working |
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| 05:53.10 | themill | jarray52: what did you upgrade from and to? |
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| 05:53.56 | Disconsented | FQDN How the heck do I figure that out? |
| 05:54.33 | newmember | Disconsented: nameofserver.domainname.com |
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| 05:57.56 | Jaba | In network manager the add vpn option is grayed out |
| 05:58.11 | Jaba | How do I enable it |
| 05:58.27 | themill | Jaba: you'd need to install the relevant network-manager-* packages. |
| 05:58.58 | jarray52 | themill: I just ran sudo apt-get update and then ran sudo apt-get upgrade. |
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| 05:59.22 | Jaba | How do I do that I just started using debian the other day |
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| 06:00.11 | Jaba | themill: How do I do that I just started using debian the other day |
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| 06:03.26 | somiaj | Jaba: apt-cache search network-manager (to get a package list, once you figure out the correct ones apt-get install packagename) |
| 06:04.01 | Jaba | somiaj: Thank You |
| 06:04.12 | themill | jarray52: that doesn't tell me what you upgraded from and to, only that you ask apt to upgrade some packages. |
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| 06:09.24 | jarray52 | themill: uname -v gives me (SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1) |
| 06:11.48 | themill | that still doesn't tell me what you were doing. (and that's not a current kernel in any release) |
| 06:12.20 | themill | What do you think this box is running? squeeze, wheezy, jessie? |
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| 06:16.08 | Jaba | How do I set up wheezy backports |
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| 06:16.42 | themill | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 06:19.35 | jarray52 | themill: Based on /etc/apt/sources.list, I am probably running wheezy. |
| 06:20.12 | jarray52 | themill: https://dpaste.de/uPG3 |
| 06:20.54 | themill | an upgrade of debian wheezy isn't going to suddenly install samba. Anything could happen in those 3rd party repositories though |
| 06:21.13 | themill | dpkg: tell jarray52 about wheezy/updates |
| 06:21.35 | themill | oh, you do have that. sorry |
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| 06:23.53 | jarray52 | themill: I only have two third party repos. One for virtualbox and another for linuxmint(not sure why I have this). |
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| 06:24.28 | jarray52 | themill: The virtualbox one is only for virtualbox stuff. |
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| 06:25.46 | themill | that doesn't mean that virtualbox doesn't want to try to install samba |
| 06:26.12 | themill | or whatever you've installed form linuxmint doesn't want to install samba. |
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| 06:26.57 | themill | jarray52: try removing the samba package and see what apt complains about. Or "aptitude why samba" |
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| 06:28.17 | jarray52 | themill: Thanks... https://dpaste.de/nbsT |
| 06:28.42 | jarray52 | themill: I think it's qemu-kvm. |
| 06:29.42 | themill | "suggests" isn't enough to cause a package to be automatically installed |
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| 06:32.06 | jarray52 | themill: That is all that was listed. |
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| 06:55.46 | spencerz | i ran a memtest and the memory passed. so the ram is good. this is what happens when i try to boot from the debian net install cd https://www.dropbox.com/s/16jsjxq30mfcxy0/20140902_002235.jpg |
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| 06:56.24 | spencerz | i tried booting with acpi=off nomodeset and acpi_osi= |
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| 07:03.44 | oskie | spencerz: you could try the testing ("jessie") version of Debian... but don't tell anyone I said that! |
| 07:04.15 | oskie | spencerz: I have seen similar issues with wheezy netinst before. I think it's a software (kernel) issue. |
| 07:04.48 | spencerz | oskie, where at on the debian site is the iso for jessie? |
| 07:05.02 | bhuddah | hello all. is there an official definition of the properties of the user's home directory? |
| 07:05.05 | oskie | spencerz: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 07:05.45 | spencerz | bhuddah, you mean file system hierarchy? |
| 07:05.59 | Disconsented | Okay so: My domain name points towards my web server but the ipadress is in the adress bar not the domain, how do I fix this? |
| 07:06.13 | bhuddah | spencerz: i have looked into this. but there is nothing specific to the actual individual home dir in there. |
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| 07:07.57 | spencerz | im not sure i found this though http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-3.8.html i think understanding file system hierarchy is what you are trying to figure out though |
| 07:08.50 | spencerz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_filesystem_hierarchy#.2Fhome:_User_directories |
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| 07:09.27 | spencerz | oskie, thanks :] |
| 07:10.13 | boudiccas_ | i'm trying to copy all the '*.tex' files in this directory with this commandline - cp /home/boudiccas/research/obnam4me/*.tex /home/boudiccas/build/tex/obnam4me/*.tex-$(date +%Y%m%d-%R);, but it keeps saying 'cp: target ‘/home/boudiccas/build/tex/obnam4me/*.tex-20140902-08:08’ is not a directory' how can i get it so that it just copies the files and nothing else please? |
| 07:10.47 | bhuddah | hmmmm. basically i'm looking for a spot in the documentation that defines the properties, spencerz. most importantly: a) a user always has a home directory and b) this user can write to this directory. |
| 07:11.31 | igi | boudiccas_: you want to rename all *.tex files? |
| 07:11.35 | oskie | bhuddah: no such requirements for the system overall. Permissions for users' home directories are usually set via /etc/adduser.conf or some other file. |
| 07:11.47 | boudiccas_ | igi; no, just copy them over |
| 07:11.55 | bhuddah | oskie: so users do not need to have a home dir? |
| 07:12.29 | spencerz | i dont think so. could be wrong though |
| 07:12.41 | igi | boudiccas_: copy them to new files which just add a suffix? |
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| 07:13.15 | oskie | bhuddah: not really, they can use / for home directory and not have write permissions. It all depends on the application (shell first) though. |
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| 07:13.49 | spencerz | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/home.html |
| 07:14.02 | bhuddah | oskie: where is this specificated? do you know in which documentation to look? |
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| 07:15.13 | themill | bhuddah: I don't think anyone knows what you're actually wanting to know. |
| 07:15.16 | bhuddah | spencerz: okay. there that looks like it's non-optional to have a home dir AND to have write permissions there. |
| 07:15.36 | boudiccas_ | igi; good thinking batman, it works, thanks :) |
| 07:15.37 | oskie | bhuddah: probably manual page for login, sshd, bash etc |
| 07:15.48 | bhuddah | themill: :( how to make it clearer? |
| 07:15.51 | spencerz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132059/can-the-home-folder-in-linux-contain-anything-else-but-user-folders |
| 07:16.23 | oskie | bhuddah: the question is usually whether OTHER users should have read access to a user's home folder... |
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| 07:16.28 | igi | boudiccas_: try using find to do it: find . -name '*.tex' -exec cp {} {}.$(date +%Y%m%d-%R) \; |
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| 07:16.37 | themill | bhuddah: you keep asking about "properties" without defining what you mean by that. No, it's not required that the user can write to their $HOME but they do need to have a $HOME defined in the passwd file. |
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| 07:17.05 | bhuddah | themill: okay. where can i find this officially documented? this would be exactly what i need :) |
| 07:17.13 | themill | why does it need to be documented? |
| 07:17.17 | themill | (why would it be documented?) |
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| 07:17.55 | bhuddah | themill: because i need to present that information for something work related where "someone said so" is not enough. |
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| 07:18.42 | heurist | boudiccas_: use a for loop, something like: for f in *.tex; do cp $f /newlocation/${f}-$(date); done |
| 07:18.48 | themill | bhuddah: look in /etc/passwd at all the counter-examples to "a user must be able to write to $HOME" (and even counterexamples to "$HOME must exist" |
| 07:19.33 | spencerz | bhuddah, maybe read up on linux file permissions. read the man pages for chmod and chown |
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| 07:20.23 | spencerz | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/shadow-file-formats.html |
| 07:20.39 | themill | bhuddah: passwd(5) and getpwnam(3) define the structures involved; a home directory is not optional. |
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| 07:21.12 | bhuddah | thx all :) |
| 07:21.18 | rfreeman_w | it seems updated kruaser in testing stopped supporting SFTP protocol? what? |
| 07:21.22 | bhuddah | i'll have to look closer at that now. |
| 07:21.23 | rfreeman_w | krusader |
| 07:21.32 | bhuddah | it seems harder than anticipated. |
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| 07:23.30 | spencerz | once you figure it out it's not so bad |
| 07:23.44 | oskie | I've always wondered why some information is duplicated between group and gshadow |
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| 07:24.24 | spencerz | no idea. i wouldnt mind knowing though |
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| 07:25.32 | themill | rfreeman_w: kio_sftp is disabled at present. You can use fish as a work around for the time being |
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| 07:25.48 | themill | bhuddah: perhaps if we knew what you were really trying to do we could help? |
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| 07:26.13 | rfreeman_w | themill, that is really bad for users when randomly stuff is dropped, what was the reason, will it be back? |
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| 07:26.50 | themill | rfreeman_w: well, testing is called testing for a reason and there's no point in holding up the rest of kde for one feature. There was a problem with libssh and yes, it should be back soon |
| 07:26.52 | rfreeman_w | themill, it seemed that fish:// did not worked for my server on which sftp works, are they compatible? |
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| 07:27.34 | themill | fish often works more reliably than kio_sftp in any case because it actually uses ssh rather than libssh. It is, however, much slower. |
| 07:27.46 | spencerz | what about mc? |
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| 07:28.10 | spencerz | or sshfs |
| 07:28.14 | rfreeman_w | themill, a good reason would be that it would not block work in office that uses testing debian. (stable was not possible to use, too old drivers/hw support and all).. |
| 07:28.17 | bhuddah | themill: i search for documentation that defines the home directory. and what to expect and so on. but it seems this will have to wait because more effort than expected. i'm sorry i can't be any clearer atm. |
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| 07:28.37 | rfreeman_w | spencerz, yeah or mozzila, it's possible, though far from comfortable |
| 07:28.48 | themill | rfreeman_w: *shrug* this is expected sort of stuff for testing. |
| 07:29.00 | spencerz | can you use fish with mozilla? |
| 07:29.04 | themill | (and "too old" is a load of nonsense) |
| 07:29.17 | spencerz | ive only ever used it with konqueror |
| 07:30.01 | rfreeman_w | themill, volume keys did not worked, brightness keys did not worked, video resolution was bad, video was very slow (to the point of blinking of mouse cursor when moving it) and few other such things |
| 07:30.20 | rfreeman_w | by video I mean just using the desktop, not 3d gaming |
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| 07:30.34 | themill | That's all much easier to fix than chasing testing and then complaining that it breaks. |
| 07:30.53 | themill | (and for most of the last 6 months, wheezy has had better hardware support than jessie) |
| 07:30.57 | rfreeman_w | themill, how should it be fixed actually? fellow admin tried for some time and didn't found any obvious solution |
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| 07:31.38 | themill | normally grabbing a kernel from backports is enough. Multimedia/function keys sometimes need configuring in the desktop environment |
| 07:31.48 | rfreeman_w | themill, afair it was said that Xorg is just too old for this chip/video card |
| 07:31.58 | themill | that sounds unlikely |
| 07:32.39 | rfreeman_w | themill, I can look the other day for it, but I recall we found articles saying that you need to update Xorg |
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| 07:32.58 | themill | you might need to update a driver |
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| 07:33.24 | themill | (it's possible, but unlikely that you wouldn't be able to get it work in wheezy) |
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| 07:34.35 | rfreeman_w | themill, ok I will look for it again soon. My point is that it seems debian stable is not usable for users wanting even a bit modern things (like laptop from this year instead from 2-3 years ago), so they must migrate to other distro like Mint, or go with Testing. Are you sure Stable with replaced kernel and some backports can at least support laptops well? |
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| 07:35.12 | rfreeman_w | because if it has trouble, then simple solution could be to try to make testing a bit more stable (and experiment in experimental), e.g. just delay kio_sftp dropping for few days so it can be all replaced at same time |
| 07:35.13 | themill | rfreeman_w: it supports every laptop in my family over the last decade, so "yes". |
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| 07:36.24 | rfreeman_w | themill, ok then, let's see can you fix the one I have here. (when I get a new partition with stable there) |
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| 07:37.34 | rfreeman_w | themill, were you simply buying any laptopt you wanted, or is this about laptops pre-selected to work with debian? |
| 07:38.08 | themill | Both. I had zero choice in the last couple of $work laptops/ |
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| 07:40.13 | spencerz | oskie, its working. thanks |
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| 07:41.23 | themill | bhuddah: I don't really know what you mean by "defines the home directory". irc really doesn't deal well with abstract questions -- why do you want to know this information? what will it help you achieve? |
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| 07:42.27 | bhuddah | themill: it will help me establish common ground while keeping two different development teams in check. and yes those teams have mutually exclusive thoughts about how a home directory should be or IF it should be. |
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| 07:42.41 | MasterPiece | How git buildpackages works? |
| 07:42.56 | terminator | I am back! |
| 07:43.14 | `^-_-^` | welcome back! |
| 07:43.44 | terminator | Your gratitude is not required. |
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| 07:44.42 | `^-_-^` | lmao |
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| 07:47.35 | themill | bhuddah: Generally, interactive users have a $HOME they can write to and system users don't. *Some* daemons write status information to their $HOME (think MTA or dns server) while most can't (think apache). And other daemons write data but not in their $HOME (like mysql) |
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| 07:48.25 | bhuddah | themill: yeah. that pretty much fits my personal expectation. at least i feel sane now :) but.. this never was written down anywhere officially? |
| 07:48.55 | themill | I can't imagine why it would be |
| 07:49.09 | bhuddah | i was hoping for reference :) |
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| 07:49.41 | themill | Most daemons don't need a $HOME because their config would be in /etc anyway |
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| 07:50.42 | themill | (but they need an entry defined -- hence some read-only directory that might help an admin "cd ~foo" or /nonexistent) |
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| 08:06.49 | smartass | hi, apt, aptitude, dpkg all store package states in flat files, right? is there some way to make them store them in several files instead of just one? |
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| 08:09.00 | themill | smartass: no |
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| 08:22.30 | Guest66091 | hi where are located the images with nonfree firmware? i can't find them |
| 08:22.59 | jelly-home | !firmware images |
| 08:22.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 08:23.34 | Guest66091 | unofficial..? |
| 08:23.42 | smartass | themill: so keeping them in git + branches is about the mest way for rebasing and merging package states? |
| 08:23.44 | Gryf | Heya. hey there. Any of you did made fcgiwarp work under nginx ? I'm trying to execute some basic 'helloworld' and I only get "502" errors. If any clue... I had the same problem with php-fpm and all, the fix was easy ; just had to pas from socket to a port. Here I just don't find any Q/A on the net. :s |
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| 08:24.18 | themill | smartass: eww that doesn't sound like a sensible thing to do at all |
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| 08:26.22 | Guest66091 | tracker gave an error 'torrenot not found' |
| 08:26.32 | smartass | themill: imagine you have a base system A and a system B that has a few additional packages ... when you update A, the changes must be propagated into B |
| 08:27.00 | rfreeman_w | it seems dolphin, nautilus, gnome-commander in addition to krusader can not connect to sftp now? |
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| 08:27.46 | smartass | rfreeman_w: try is simplescp works ... maybe so key or fingerprint changed |
| 08:27.47 | themill | rfreeman_w: all the kde things will use kio_sftp. nautilus and gnome-commander won't be |
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| 08:28.14 | themill | smartass: that's what puppet, chef, salt, ansible, propeller, ... are for |
| 08:28.14 | smartass | gnome stuff will use gvfs |
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| 08:29.21 | smartass | themill: trying to find something just for a local system + chroots ... those have too much overhead |
| 08:29.42 | themill | smartass: sounds like docker |
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| 08:31.27 | smartass | themill: yeah, something like that ... yet docker also seems a litle heavy |
| 08:31.55 | rfreeman_w | themill, tried nautilus, didn't worked. Btw using public key auth |
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| 08:34.41 | rfreeman_w | themill, nevermind ok it works in nautilus |
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| 08:42.12 | s7r | if i want to install multiple packages on debian via apt-get, and not press Y every time to cofirm at each packge can I use apt-get -y install <package1> <package2> <package3> ? or what is the way to "confirm yes for all" like you do when apt-get dist-upgrade -y ? |
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| 08:44.59 | heurist | s7r: you should not need to confirm each package, just once at the start. |
| 08:45.55 | s7r | heurist so better apt-get install <package> <package> <package> -y ? |
| 08:46.17 | heurist | !tias |
| 08:46.17 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 08:47.21 | spencerz | i get this message when doing a apt-get dist-upgrade ... cryptsetup (2:1.6.4-5) unstable; urgency=medium the whirlpool hash implementation has been broken in gcrypt until version 1.5.3. this has been fixed in subsequent gcrypt releases. in particular, the gcrypt version that is used by cryptsetup starting with this release, has the bug fixed. |
| 08:47.35 | spencerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.40 | igi | s7r: try about this: aptitude -yy install <package> <package> <package> |
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| 08:47.57 | spencerz | sorry cat setpped on keyboard |
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| 08:48.37 | heurist | spencerz: cat > /dev/null |
| 08:48.39 | spencerz | then it just says q to quit then continues where it left off |
| 08:49.15 | spencerz | heurist, is there a pastebin cli package? this particular machine is cli only |
| 08:49.24 | vook | I'm having some problems with a few debian systems on Tata telecom - not a debian issue, but if there are any (India) Tata users... I'm trying to switch from an old Gentoo firewall to debian firewall, but for some reason, I cannot ping the gateway (one two different systems). Maybe some pppoe issue - it seems like the service is tied to the old nic. I've tried changing the mac address on the new machines. The site does not have any ISP equipment, just a cable com |
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| 08:50.00 | heurist | spencerz: pastebinit or <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 08:50.39 | vook | oops |
| 08:50.44 | spencerz | heurist, what do i run with the first command. its just hanging there it looks like its waiting for something |
| 08:51.39 | heurist | spencerz: pastebinit wants the data you want to paste. paste it in there or redirect it there. man pastebinit |
| 08:52.07 | spencerz | heurist, no i mean with the cat command you gave me |
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| 08:52.37 | heurist | spencerz: that message implies that the version you are installing has *fixed* a bug. what is it are wanting to know? |
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| 08:53.07 | heurist | spencerz: it gets rid of your cat, so it can not step on your keyboard |
| 08:53.31 | spencerz | yes that is what i was wanting to know. i was not sure if it was a notice or an error. was just wanting to make sure itwas nothing to be alarmed about since it had to do with broken encryption |
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| 08:53.43 | spencerz | lol |
| 08:54.15 | heurist | spencerz: it might be telling you that there are changes to that algorithm and if you are using it it might not work like it did before. |
| 08:54.26 | spencerz | i see |
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| 08:56.04 | konverse | Sup people. |
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| 08:57.13 | cafuego | yeah, nah |
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| 08:58.18 | konverse | Heh. |
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| 09:00.22 | shevy | I somehow don't have locales like en_US, am on a debian-base system though (I think it is linuxmint). Is there a simple way to install a locale such as en_US on debian-based systems? dpkg + apt-get are working well |
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| 09:01.26 | heurist | shevy: apt-get install locales |
| 09:01.32 | t3ngu | or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:01.36 | t3ngu | if installed |
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| 09:25.20 | konverse | Will Jessie be LTS? |
| 09:25.54 | konverse | Or is that a different resort? |
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| 09:27.48 | spencerz | what is your opinion on using a random number generator such as haveged for generating entropy? like security wise. how many different ways are there to generate entropy aside from mouse and keyboard? |
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| 09:29.22 | petn-randall | konverse: That's still up for debate, nothing has been decided on that topic. |
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| 09:30.05 | petn-randall | spencerz: There's still I/O on disk/network, then there's jitter on the clock, then newer Intel CPUs have HWRNGs. |
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| 09:34.13 | spencerz | petn-randall, i read something somewhere about the nsa breaking the random number generator in intels cpus do you think it is really true or all just conspiracy? |
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| 09:35.38 | petn-randall | spencerz: Well, you can never know for sure. Then again, if they control the CPU somehow you're doomed anyway. |
| 09:37.41 | heurist | spencerz: Dan Kaminsky did an interesting talk at defcon (or one of the security cons) about rng, he proposed some interesting ideas, look for it in youtube |
| 09:39.28 | spencerz | heurist, alright i will do that |
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| 09:46.11 | dubtech | hi. i got used to the habit of rebooting a box after a dist-upgrade also upgraded the kernel package. basically, should i keep doing so? |
| 09:47.00 | petn-randall | dubtech: There's no harm in doing so. Are you talking about desktops or servers? |
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| 09:49.22 | alt123 | hello to everyone, I would migrate my laptop to btrfs to give a try; I am using a kernel >= 3.14; someone that deter me to doing it? thanks :) |
| 09:49.58 | petn-randall | alt123: Feel free to do it. Keep frequent backups and if it breaks you get to keep the bits :) |
| 09:51.02 | dubtech | petn-randall: both. the question better would be if there could be anything going wrong when not doing so. e.g. a kernel module that will not be found or so. i remember experiencing something like this in arch linux. |
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| 09:52.03 | heurist | dubtech: debian-goodies package has checkrestart which tells you what needs restarting |
| 09:52.22 | alt123 | petn-randall: thank you but this is an obvious behaviour, but my question is: still breaks? |
| 09:52.45 | MartyH | Hi, I've been following the guide on https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro . It indicates I should use the subkey to sign, and I should publish the public key. Should that be the subkey as well, or should that be the pub ? |
| 09:52.47 | petn-randall | dubtech: That would only happen if they break the ABI on upgrades. I haven't experienced that on Debian. With desktops you can easily restart them because you're the only user. With servers it's different, you'll have to check if the update is relevant to the machine, and the schedule some downtime where you can reboot the machine. |
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| 09:53.25 | alt123 | or is quite secure for everyday usage... |
| 09:53.28 | dubtech | petn-randall: excuse me, what does ABI stand for in that case? |
| 09:53.38 | petn-randall | alt123: No, it's not production ready. |
| 09:53.43 | dubtech | heurist: excellent point. thank you. |
| 09:55.28 | alt123 | petn-randall: ok, so I will postpone my migration. thanks a lot |
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| 09:56.08 | petn-randall | alt123: If you want to play with it, create a VM. That way if something breaks nothing's lost. |
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| 09:56.37 | heurist | alt123: test it in a vm and see if the features are worth it. it is very slow still, aside from that I find it stable enough, but not worth the speed cost. |
| 09:58.47 | alt123 | petn-randall heurist : yes, I have already done it and for me was quite stable and this is why I ask to irc some other opinion :) |
| 09:59.15 | petn-randall | alt123: Is there any feature you need from btrfs that ext4 doesn't have? |
| 09:59.56 | alt123 | petn-randall: learning and save feature |
| 10:00.04 | heurist | alt123: if you *need* some of the features (snapshots are nice) then you need to decide if you can take the lowness, it slows down over time. after months of use it becomes unpleasant. |
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| 10:00.06 | paul_grozav | I have two identical Routers with openwrt, both connected to the internet (in same town, same ISP) I made a tcpdump -> wireshark sniffing and I can see some packets leaving one Router and going to the other one (I can see them by IP), however the packages do not reach the other router. Is there any other reason for this, besides the ISP filtering the packets? Thanks. |
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| 10:00.45 | petn-randall | paul_grozav: This is #debian, you might want to ask #openwrt or #networking. |
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| 10:01.46 | alt123 | heurist: ok, I will wait and I continue with vM |
| 10:01.55 | paul_grozav | Thanks |
| 10:02.10 | alt123 | thanks a lot |
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| 10:02.38 | petn-randall | heurist: snapshotting you can already have with LVM, albeit being slower than with btrfs. |
| 10:03.13 | heurist | petn-randall: or with lvm, but the btrfs shapshots are better. |
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| 10:05.21 | edoardo | Hello, i installed lxde on debian but i can't mount any partition, only usb flash drives. What could be the problem? |
| 10:05.31 | edoardo | I'm using PCmanFM as a file manager |
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| 10:06.03 | edoardo | the error is "not authorized to perform operation" |
| 10:06.10 | t3ngu | sudo? |
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| 10:06.17 | edoardo | let me try |
| 10:06.46 | edoardo | it doesn't even list the partitions |
| 10:07.31 | t3ngu | what command did you try? |
| 10:07.40 | edoardo | sudo pcmanfm |
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| 10:08.41 | t3ngu | to mount partitions? |
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| 10:08.52 | edoardo | i used sudo pcmanfm to open the file manager |
| 10:08.59 | edoardo | and i tried to mount the partitions from there |
| 10:09.02 | t3ngu | oh |
| 10:09.06 | edoardo | but there was no partition, so i can't do anything |
| 10:09.11 | t3ngu | i dont know if this can be done. |
| 10:09.12 | t3ngu | sorry. |
| 10:09.20 | edoardo | if i run pcmanfm as a user it lists the partitions, but i can't open them |
| 10:09.24 | t3ngu | i guess if they are usb/cd partitions |
| 10:09.33 | t3ngu | you could, if system I bet my lunch you cannot |
| 10:09.41 | edoardo | they are fat32 partitions on my hdd |
| 10:09.47 | t3ngu | still |
| 10:10.11 | t3ngu | can you mount them normally from a terminal without sudo? |
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| 10:28.17 | milligan_ | hmm. "ps aux" doesn't complete. It's like it freezes. How can I fix that ?? No idea what process it freezes on |
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| 10:33.28 | shomon | hi, I have no wifi working but wifi is in the computer. I get boot messages about a missing r300_cp.bin... |
| 10:33.34 | shomon | is that the missing link? |
| 10:34.06 | petn-randall | shomon: You might need to install firmware. Do you have "non-free" in your sources.list? |
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| 10:35.37 | phreak_ | Is there a way to install MATE in wheezy |
| 10:36.23 | heurist | !mate |
| 10:36.23 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8.0 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 10:36.52 | cynicallemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.53 | SynrG | !install mate |
| 10:36.53 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on Debian Jessie, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install mate-desktop-environment». Install the mate-desktop-environment-extras package for even more things. The packages are also available for <wheezy-backports>. |
| 10:37.02 | shomon | hi petn-randall I'll have a look |
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| 10:37.44 | shomon | no I don't have it. |
| 10:37.45 | phreak_ | Thank you guys |
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| 10:39.41 | cynicallemon | shomon: do a "lspci | grep Net" at the command line, that should tell you what the wifi device is |
| 10:40.05 | shomon | it's a broadcom :) |
| 10:40.55 | cynicallemon | can you paste the line here |
| 10:41.12 | shomon | 06:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
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| 10:42.48 | cynicallemon | you will probably need firmware-brcm80211 package from non-free |
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| 10:43.04 | shomon | ok thanks.. not sure what line to add to my sources.list. it's wheezy |
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| 10:43.33 | shomon | I'm trying "deb http://ftp.caliu.cat/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" |
| 10:43.56 | cynicallemon | that looks ok |
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| 10:44.38 | shomon | thanks cynicallemon :) |
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| 10:54.43 | zleap | hi |
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| 10:54.59 | zleap | just found out an old laptop, i know its running debian but is there a quick way to work out which version ? |
| 10:55.01 | zleap | thanks |
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| 10:55.03 | zleap | please |
| 10:56.07 | Disconsented | http://www.debianadmin.com/find-your-debian-or-ubuntu-linux-version-you-are-running.html |
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| 10:57.24 | zleap | thanks |
| 10:58.10 | zleap | Disconsented, rather retro, debian 5 |
| 10:58.21 | Disconsented | Thats pretty oudated |
| 10:58.27 | zleap | yeah |
| 10:58.27 | Disconsented | Current stable is 7 |
| 10:58.36 | zleap | well not really touched this laptop for years |
| 10:58.58 | zleap | thingi is 1 usb port, 1 floppy port, 1 modem port and it looks like no cat 5 port |
| 10:59.08 | Disconsented | o-o |
| 10:59.11 | Disconsented | dang that is old |
| 10:59.12 | zleap | it has serial connector on the back |
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| 10:59.15 | zleap | yeah |
| 10:59.21 | zleap | it runs though |
| 10:59.28 | Disconsented | Apparntly |
| 10:59.43 | Disconsented | And here I am with a desktop that has a 4690k |
| 10:59.49 | zleap | it will do for the pi jams I guess, stick scratch on it |
| 10:59.59 | zleap | well this does have 1mb ram i think |
| 11:00.07 | Disconsented | wut |
| 11:00.08 | zleap | or 1gb probably |
| 11:00.15 | Disconsented | 1gb sounds better |
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| 11:00.27 | Disconsented | THeres a way to check |
| 11:00.32 | Disconsented | Google that ;) |
| 11:00.39 | petn-randall | 1 GB RAM, and it has a floppy port? You might want to re-check history ... |
| 11:01.21 | zleap | 256392 free accirding to free |
| 11:01.26 | zleap | according |
| 11:02.19 | zleap | I could actually install windows 3.1 and dos |
| 11:02.20 | zleap | lolk |
| 11:02.52 | zleap | ok so will see if this other usb stick thing has debian on it and if it does will stick a more recent debian on it |
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| 11:04.58 | zleap | 700 mhz p3 |
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| 11:08.21 | zleap | does kernel 2.6.26 sounds right for debian 5 |
| 11:08.32 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 11:08.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.15-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 11:08.38 | zleap | yeah |
| 11:08.46 | SynrG | 2.6.26 is lenny |
| 11:08.50 | SynrG | probably |
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| 11:08.59 | nkuttler | wait.. yeah, that's lenny |
| 11:09.00 | SynrG | you can look at the lenny archive, though |
| 11:10.51 | zleap | that means this isn't booting of usb sticks |
| 11:11.13 | nkuttler | isn't booting off usb primarily a bios thing? |
| 11:11.29 | zleap | i am trying to fix that now |
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| 11:13.15 | petn-randall | zleap: just cat /etc/apt/sources.list, it should tell you the release. |
| 11:13.29 | zleap | its version 5 |
| 11:13.55 | zleap | just found an option in the bios that referes to unix under large disk access select to other for unix |
| 11:14.08 | dubtech | hi. i just ran checkrestart immediately after booting up my box and it shows this: http://fpaste.org/130357/96564021/ - any hint why? |
| 11:14.26 | zleap | system date seems to be 01/01/1988 |
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| 11:19.10 | zleap | ok found a network port |
| 11:19.19 | zleap | there was a thing in to cover it up |
| 11:19.22 | zleap | rubbber thing |
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| 11:33.19 | zleap | wahhhh the repository for lenny isnt working |
| 11:34.37 | zleap | ok does this mean i need to edit /etc/sources.list manually |
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| 11:37.36 | zleap | is the latest wheezy |
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| 11:37.58 | zleap | if i replace references to lenny with wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:43.36 | jelly | !tell zleap about lenny sources.list |
| 11:43.45 | jelly | !tell zleap about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:43.52 | jelly | !tell zleap about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:44.12 | jelly | zleap: that ought to cover the transition to current release |
| 11:44.17 | zleap | ithanks |
| 11:44.25 | zleap | however it worn't work anyway need to get networking fixed |
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| 11:45.10 | jelly | zleap: do NOT skip releases, and do not add wheezy sources to the current installation, that would create a huge mess |
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| 11:45.32 | zleap | ok |
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| 11:49.40 | ksk | hey folks |
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| 11:52.05 | b-tag | hey ksk :) |
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| 12:01.53 | zleap | ok network tools not playing here |
| 12:02.43 | threadlock | such informative |
| 12:03.11 | colo-work | on many of our debian systems, an nfs export specified in fstab fails to mount after bootup, which is getting increasingly annoying. the fstab line looks like this: |
| 12:03.29 | zleap | ifconfig is saying the interface isn't there |
| 12:03.35 | colo-work | 192.168.2.100:/some/export /some/mountpoint nfs rw,mountproto=tcp,sec=sys,vers=3,nodev,nosuid,noexec,_netdev 0 0 |
| 12:03.41 | colo-work | what's wrong there? |
| 12:04.01 | threadlock | zleap: what devices do you see with ifconfig? |
| 12:04.08 | konverse | color-work: Check the configs. |
| 12:04.14 | threadlock | should be at least the loopback device, lo |
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| 12:04.53 | BlueEagle | colo-work: Does it mount with mount -a after boot? |
| 12:05.06 | colo-work | BlueEagle, yes, it does. |
| 12:05.12 | threadlock | zleap: 'ifconfig -a', the interface you're looking for may be down |
| 12:05.39 | BlueEagle | colo-work: Do you have access to the server at the time of mounting? (i.e. is the interface up when mounting?) |
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| 12:06.18 | colo-work | BlueEagle, I don't know if the interface is up when the system first tries to mount from fstab on boot, but since the interfaces are statically configured, I think "yes" is the right answer |
| 12:06.25 | colo-work | I can connect to the host via ssh |
| 12:06.36 | zleap | threadlock, yes it seems to be |
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| 12:07.29 | zleap | i just get the loopback interface info |
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| 12:07.39 | BlueEagle | colo-work: Well the _netdev option should force the mount to wait until net is configured before trying to mount anyway. |
| 12:07.57 | colo-work | yeah, that's what I thought, too |
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| 12:09.36 | BlueEagle | colo-work: I think I found it: http://thenubbyadmin.com/2013/04/10/solving-nfs-mounts-at-boot-time/ |
| 12:10.04 | BlueEagle | colo-work: The _netdev option doesn’t tell the system to mount the filesystem when network comes up, it says don’t attempt to mount it at all if the network isn’t up. |
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| 12:10.37 | colo-work | that info seems to be rhel-specific though |
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| 12:11.01 | zleap | ok will sort this later |
| 12:11.08 | zleap | thanks for help so far guys |
| 12:12.12 | BlueEagle | colo-work: You may be right. But it does seem that the issue described is the same. I.e. you have _netdev, but it is still not mounting. So now we just need to figure out how to mount it. :) |
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| 12:14.35 | BlueEagle | colo-work: I see several nfs-tutorials use _netdev,auto as options. Not sure if that will save the day, though. |
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| 12:15.10 | colo-work | auto should be the implied default |
| 12:15.12 | colo-work | afaik |
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| 12:21.15 | BlueEagle | colo-work: Indeed. |
| 12:21.48 | BlueEagle | colo-work: If you want a workaround you could create an extra startup script and have it execute after networking is set up and tell it to mount -a |
| 12:23.03 | colo-work | well, I _used_ to work around this problem with post-up scripts for all network interfaces that delayed everything until the nfs host repsonded to ICMP echo (but 60 seconds at most) |
| 12:23.07 | colo-work | but that really, really sucks. |
| 12:23.11 | colo-work | why doesn't that work ootb? |
| 12:23.29 | colo-work | I mean, it's not like the use case "having an auto-mounted NFS export" is that rare, now is it? |
| 12:24.06 | BlueEagle | colo-work: If the number of articles on google is to go by then it is. |
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| 12:24.22 | colo-work | ;) |
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| 12:25.30 | BlueEagle | colo-work: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#mtab |
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| 12:25.46 | BlueEagle | colo-work: Not sure if it helps, though. |
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| 12:37.09 | pfsmorigo | hi, what I need to do do add a comment into an existing ticket in bts? |
| 12:37.51 | pfsmorigo | I tried to email NNN@bugs.debian.org and received the ack message but the webpage doesn't show my comments |
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| 12:39.44 | Brigo | pfsmorigo, it needs some time.ç |
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| 12:41.23 | pfsmorigo | Brigo: how much time? I sent it 5 days ago |
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| 12:41.48 | themill | pfsmorigo: what reply did you get? What bug number? |
| 12:41.52 | Brigo | pfsmorigo, no so much, i hope :) |
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| 12:42.49 | pfsmorigo | themill: 707409 |
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| 12:43.41 | themill | pfsmorigo: there's two messages from you there from 5 days ago |
| 12:44.37 | pfsmorigo | themill, Brigo: fail... damn firefox cache |
| 12:44.46 | themill | :) |
| 12:44.55 | Brigo | pfsmorigo, :D |
| 12:45.17 | pfsmorigo | themill, Brigo: tks! :) |
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| 12:45.30 | Brigo | but you should get them from email, i think |
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| 13:31.37 | cryptux | Hi |
| 13:31.56 | t3ngu | hello |
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| 13:34.46 | petn-randall | Is there a tool similar to cowsay that takes some text as input, and then boxes that text to a certain width with e.g. '#' to it's centred? |
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| 13:35.37 | petn-randall | The endresult should be something like this: http://paste.debian.net/118919/ |
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| 13:36.49 | heurist | petn-randall: should be easy to write. I am sure I have seen comment plugins for vim and emacs that do that. |
| 13:38.10 | petn-randall | heurist: I'd probably get it done in half an hour in Perl, however I'm quite anti-NIH, I'll use it if there's already a working implementation :) |
| 13:39.32 | heurist | petn-randall: I try to be anih, but if finding it takes more time than writing it... I just googled comment banner and found half-a-dozen |
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| 13:39.53 | petn-randall | heurist: Ah, that might be the right words for it. :) |
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| 13:41.50 | [Lemmy] | hi guys... anyone here willing to help a tiny bit with wheezy? |
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| 13:42.16 | heurist | !ask |
| 13:42.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:43.13 | [Lemmy] | I'm having trouble setting up wheezy (raspbmc variant) on my rasperry pi as nis client with autofs, dpkg complains: "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 13:43.25 | fps | hmm, it used to work to do dpks -i some.deb; apt-get -f -y install |
| 13:43.25 | [Lemmy] | how do i find out what the actual problem is? |
| 13:43.35 | fps | *dpkg |
| 13:43.45 | [Lemmy] | i have *no* clue about debian |
| 13:43.54 | fps | now the apt-get -f install removes the package instead of installing the deps |
| 13:44.02 | fps | i wonder if there's a good way to find out why it does that |
| 13:44.07 | [Lemmy] | so i basically have to d/l the deb package and install from local package file? |
| 13:44.14 | heurist | !enter |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:45.49 | tyho | I have set up a openvpn server and got it working with static keys, now I am trying to use it with tls but I cannot get it to work. I am using network-manager-openvpn-gnome but when I turn the tls authed vpn on it disconnects immideately and I cant spot the error either on the server or client logs |
| 13:46.00 | tyho | does anybody have experiance with openvpn that can help? |
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| 13:46.39 | star_ | you no pptpd？ |
| 13:46.54 | tyho | star_: no openvpn |
| 13:46.58 | petn-randall | tyho: Run it from the commandline, then you'll get any error messages directly to the console. Run tailf on the openvpn server log in another terminal to debug this. |
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| 13:47.23 | tyho | petn-randall: the server log shows no obvious errors when I connect |
| 13:47.33 | tyho | I have ran openvpn from the commandline on the client and it seems to work |
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| 13:47.51 | tyho | although because that does not autmatically configure client side routing i havent tested internet access |
| 13:47.58 | coolalee | I'd like to remove whole trinity desktop enviroment from debian wheezy 7.6 using apt-get. I know of "apt-get purge", but I'm not sure how I remove whole set of packages. Same for KDE - I'd like to get rid of it all, but I don't know how to remove everything in one go. |
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| 13:48.19 | t3ngu | tyho: Do you have a route enabled in the ovpn config? |
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| 13:49.00 | t3ngu | tyho: in the server config file: push "route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0" |
| 13:49.17 | tyho | petn-randall: t3ngu this is the server log when I connect : http://paste.debian.net/118922/ |
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| 13:49.34 | star_ | look http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzA5NjU4NjEyMA==&mid=200745467&idx=1&sn=f531b77b2537a1bc189292dde0749a91&scene=3#rd |
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| 13:49.45 | tyho | t3ngu: not using ovpn, and I havent got the push line |
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| 13:50.07 | t3ngu | ok, check. |
| 13:50.07 | tyho | I think the problem might be no push |
| 13:50.22 | t3ngu | frm reading the log i see that udp ipv4 is not permitted. |
| 13:50.37 | t3ngu | is this setup on router (to do the NAT or whatever you have) |
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| 13:50.42 | t3ngu | and setup in the vpn config? |
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| 13:51.10 | tyho | t3ngu: holy crap i think that worked |
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| 13:51.19 | tyho | It connected |
| 13:51.25 | t3ngu | not sure what, but whetever works is great :D |
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| 13:51.44 | tyho | I just added the seccond line: |
| 13:51.47 | tyho | ifconfig 10.1.0.1 10.1.0.2 |
| 13:51.50 | tyho | push "ifconfig 10.1.0.1 10.1.0.2" |
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| 13:52.00 | t3ngu | perfect |
| 13:52.01 | tyho | ok, ima test it, hope my irc doesnt drop |
| 13:52.15 | t3ngu | in my case i have to add static routes |
| 13:52.18 | t3ngu | so i push them |
| 13:52.49 | zophy | vos ist der "push" |
| 13:53.21 | t3ngu | what is VOS? |
| 13:53.22 | tyho | ok, now I connect, but by routing is bad |
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| 13:54.13 | t3ngu | tyho: for the client you need to push a static route to see the servers' lan |
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| 13:54.37 | Bluewolf | Hi all, is it possible to install 32bit Nvidia GPU drivers along side 64bit Drivers. Reason being that I am trying get a program working in wine and #winehq recommend that the 32bit drivers will get it working but I don't want to install the 64bit (This is the package - libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386)??? |
| 13:54.38 | tyho | when I was using static keys, just adding those two ip's into the config was good enough |
| 13:54.39 | t3ngu | so if the server is in 10.10.3.0/24 you need to push to the client the 10.10.3.0/24 and gateway use the vpn endpoint. |
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| 13:55.10 | tyho | t3ngu: do I need to be careful choosing the IP addresses, the server is a VPS, am I at risk of conflicting with otehr peopel? |
| 13:55.11 | Bluewolf | *Uninstall the 64bit |
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| 13:55.29 | t3ngu | with other no, but with yourself yes. |
| 13:55.54 | t3ngu | I chose C class vlans that differ only by few bytes |
| 13:56.06 | t3ngu | 10.10.10.0/24 and 10.10.11.0/24 for example |
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| 13:57.41 | terminator | Can any one tell me what is the difference between headers and libraries in c++? |
| 13:57.42 | t3ngu | then i add static routes on the systems that lie on the servers lan, and just push one static route on the config for the client. and I was bitched by bot that I press enter too often |
| 13:57.56 | tyho | t3ngu: just before I go and try and fix this, I am currently starting openvpn (server) from command line becusae I need to add --script-security 2 so openvpn executes my iptables-restore thingy to configure routes server side and it does not get that flag from the init.d script, what is the best way to fix this? |
| 13:58.35 | tyho | should I change the init.d script? |
| 13:58.40 | tyho | or is doing that bad? |
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| 13:58.59 | MY123 | terminator: The library is compiled from the code. And the header is the part of the code (files) where the classes/functions/... are declared. |
| 13:59.08 | heurist | terminator: libraries are compiled code, headers are small text files that describe the internals of the library so you can refer to them in your code. |
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| 13:59.41 | t3ngu | tyho: i wrote my own wrapper ... |
| 14:00.07 | t3ngu | i should have read some manuals, but I just added my own script in /usr/local/bin that is run my cron and checks the status of the vpn(s) |
| 14:00.35 | t3ngu | I am running more than one , so routing/iptables is a little bit more complicated. |
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| 14:02.40 | tyho | sorry for being thick but what else do i need to push to the client to get routing t3ngu ? |
| 14:02.57 | terminator | So headers in compilers are equivalent to system call in os? |
| 14:03.00 | petn-randall | In vim, I can use ctrl + left/right to jump to the next word. If I use vim in 'screen', it'll make vim delete the next few lines in the file. Any ideas what's happening and how to fix it? |
| 14:03.46 | tomodachi | petn-randall: usually its w , to jump forward one word |
| 14:03.57 | tomodachi | and b to move backwards |
| 14:03.58 | tomodachi | actually |
| 14:04.05 | tomodachi | do theese work? |
| 14:04.47 | petn-randall | tomodachi: They work, I can use them in edit mode, though. |
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| 14:06.08 | petn-randall | Ah, found a fix: http://superuser.com/questions/532431/control-left-and-control-right-not-working-in-vim-within-a-screen-session |
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| 14:08.43 | t3ngu | tyho: i dont mind mate, I only have three lines regarding the networking: |
| 14:08.43 | t3ngu | server 10.10.4.0 255.255.255.0 ### sets the ip add for the vpn pool |
| 14:08.43 | t3ngu | ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt ### creates a file with the static allocations of the addresses. |
| 14:08.43 | t3ngu | push "route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0" ### pushes a static route from the 10.10.3.0/24 to 10.10.4.0/24 . the 10.10.3.0 is the lan that the vpn server resides. |
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| 14:09.30 | t3ngu | freaking hell |
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| 14:11.36 | tyho | t3ngu: so I pushed this now: PUSH_REPLY,ifconfig 10.1.0.1 10.1.0.2,route 10.1.0.1 255.255.255.0 but it is still not working, did i get the route push right? |
| 14:12.11 | Nectur | how could i make a bootable back up of debian that store on usn(grub-leg) |
| 14:12.12 | t3ngu | tyho: once connected (the client) what is the tun0 ip address? |
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| 14:14.45 | terminator | This is the best linux related channel for any technical help. |
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| 14:15.24 | tyho | 10.1.0.1 |
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| 14:15.42 | t3ngu | the client?! not the server? |
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| 14:16.28 | tyho | yeah, both of them :-/ |
| 14:16.34 | t3ngu | ehm |
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| 14:17.10 | t3ngu | tyho: one sec please, I am still at work and I need a minute to get all configs |
| 14:17.21 | tyho | ok, thanks loads for helping |
| 14:17.25 | tyho | i suck at networking |
| 14:17.28 | tyho | it confuses me |
| 14:17.29 | t3ngu | dont mention it mate |
| 14:17.49 | t3ngu | and get the book of Stevens, the TCP illustrated (3 volumes) its the best book out there imho |
| 14:19.02 | tyho | t3ngu: thanks, ill take a look |
| 14:19.39 | t3ngu | for the client i have: client \n dev tun1 \n proto udp \n remote <hostname> <port> \n persist-key \n persist-tun \n comp-lzo \n verb 3 \n no bind |
| 14:20.00 | tyho | right |
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| 14:21.38 | t3ngu | for the server: port <port> \n proto udp \n den tun0 \n (certs keys and shit) \n server 10.10.4.0 255.255.255.0 \n ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt \n push "route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0" \n ### the SERVER has eth0 10.10.3.6### \n ... and the rest of the settings i put on before. |
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| 14:22.05 | tyho | t3ngu: I think I know where i went wrong |
| 14:22.08 | t3ngu | ip r l i got : 10.10.4.0/24 via 10.10.4.2 dev tun0 |
| 14:22.12 | t3ngu | added |
| 14:22.23 | t3ngu | ok i am here if you check it and need anything |
| 14:22.41 | tyho | I needed to reverse the ifconfig i pushed to the client |
| 14:22.42 | tyho | doh |
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| 14:22.54 | t3ngu | :) |
| 14:23.20 | hackish | Is there a tool in debian to calculate the md5 of a file? |
| 14:23.28 | t3ngu | md5sum ? |
| 14:23.33 | heurist | hackish: md5sum |
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| 14:23.41 | hackish | ah cool thanks |
| 14:25.30 | tyho | t3ngu: ok, pretty sure I did need to swap them but it is still not working |
| 14:25.42 | tyho | at least now my client has a different ip to the server |
| 14:26.23 | t3ngu | first trouble shooting step. from client, ping the tun0 ip address (the Local vpn address). If that pings, try the server vpn ip address |
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| 14:28.30 | Bluewolf | Hi all, is it possible to install 32bit Nvidia GPU drivers along side 64bit Drivers. Reason being that I am trying get a program working in wine and #winehq recommend that the 32bit drivers will get it working but I don't want to uninstall the 64bit. (The package I want to install is - libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386)??? |
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| 14:29.09 | [Lemmy] | i guess my little problem is not exotic enough 0.o |
| 14:29.25 | [Lemmy] | I'm having trouble setting up wheezy (raspbmc variant) on my rasperry pi as nis client with autofs, dpkg complains: "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 14:30.14 | t3ngu | Bluewolf: you need to download the pkg and force install it: dpkg -i --force-architecture <package> |
| 14:30.20 | t3ngu | as root of course |
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| 14:31.49 | FearlessHawk | I'm trying to pick between Ubuntu and Debian. I'm sure I'll get biased info here, but why pick Debian over Ubuntu? |
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| 14:32.03 | ctmjr | [Lemmy]: ask in #raspian or it might be ##raspian |
| 14:32.22 | [Lemmy] | ah |
| 14:32.23 | [Lemmy] | ok thanks |
| 14:32.39 | heurist | FearlessHawk: try them both see which one sticks. |
| 14:32.51 | [Lemmy] | ctmjr: actually, neither 0.o |
| 14:32.52 | t3ngu | [Lemmy]: you need to check /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 14:33.02 | [Lemmy] | t3ngu: thanks |
| 14:33.10 | t3ngu | yw |
| 14:34.24 | Bluewolf | t3ngu: This would be the correct command right? dpkg -i --force-architecture libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 14:34.37 | FearlessHawk | Does Debian support less hardware than Ubuntu because Debian tries to stick to open source methods? |
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| 14:34.57 | [Lemmy] | t3ngu: sadly that logfile doesn't contain anything that aptitude didn't already print to stdout |
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| 14:35.13 | t3ngu | Bluewolf: accroding to the man page, yes --force-architecture is the correct option |
| 14:35.30 | t3ngu | [Lemmy]: so you dont know what package is failing? |
| 14:35.40 | Bluewolf | Okay, I will do it now. One moment :D |
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| 14:36.08 | [Lemmy] | well, i believe its the nis package as that is the one that i'm installing, but it also pulls in one dependency, could just as well that one |
| 14:36.16 | Busserl | freedomrun: What do you want to hear? Of course Debian cannot include some drivers Ubuntu can. |
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| 14:36.43 | freedomrun | Busserl: err?! |
| 14:36.53 | Busserl | freedomrun: sorry |
| 14:37.03 | freedomrun | Busserl: np |
| 14:37.03 | Busserl | I meant FearlessHawk. |
| 14:37.12 | FearlessHawk | Busserl: Not even in nonfree? |
| 14:37.13 | Busserl | I should be in bed. |
| 14:37.20 | t3ngu | [Lemmy]: for aptitude the log file is not in /var/log/aptitide? |
| 14:37.43 | Bluewolf | t3ngu: Well here is the output :( http://paste.debian.net/118937/ |
| 14:37.56 | Busserl | FearlessHawk: Not sure, it wouldn't as convinient maybe. |
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| 14:38.21 | t3ngu | Bluewolf: cannot access archive: No such file or directory The filename you provided is not correct |
| 14:38.42 | t3ngu | do you have a file called libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 ? i can assume no :) |
| 14:39.04 | t3ngu | you would probably need to manually download it and its name would be like libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386.deb |
| 14:39.22 | t3ngu | and then you do dpkg -i --force-architecture <filename.deb> |
| 14:39.37 | SynrG | or else set up multiarch properly |
| 14:39.41 | SynrG | !multiarch |
| 14:39.41 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 14:39.42 | t3ngu | true |
| 14:39.46 | ctmjr | [Lemmy]: the channel for the pi is #raspbian my mistake sorry |
| 14:40.00 | [Lemmy] | ok, /var/log/aptitude is just as useless, contains only what it tries to do, but not what failed or why |
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| 14:40.11 | [Lemmy] | ctmjr: i'm there now |
| 14:40.13 | SynrG | Bluewolf: with multiarch correctly configured, it's just apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 14:40.20 | Bluewolf | t3ngu: Okay |
| 14:40.53 | SynrG | then you don't need to force anything |
| 14:41.01 | SynrG | (forcing is almost always a sign you're doing something wrong) |
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| 14:41.24 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay so how do I set up multiarch, I'm not to command savy? |
| 14:41.52 | t3ngu | SynrG you are not wrong, but i disagree that something i'm doing is wrong |
| 14:41.55 | t3ngu | always |
| 14:42.38 | SynrG | Bluewolf: i just said. see dpkg bot's response above. |
| 14:44.26 | SynrG | t3ngu: let me put it this way: when someone tells you blahblah --force-[something] and you don't know what that does, don't do it. if you *know* what that does, and are happy to own the consequences, be my guest :) |
| 14:44.39 | t3ngu | ok. on that i do NOT disagree. |
| 14:44.42 | SynrG | in this particular case, it's harmless. but how is a naive user to know the difference? so please don't advise users do that. |
| 14:44.57 | SynrG | properly configuring multiarch is the right way. |
| 14:45.09 | t3ngu | you are completely right. I will not repeat the force advice |
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| 14:45.16 | t3ngu | point taken |
| 14:45.33 | SynrG | Bluewolf: if you didn't pick it out of the factoid above, it's just "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update" |
| 14:45.50 | SynrG | Bluewolf: after that, just "apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" should work |
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| 14:49.00 | mrtnt | Am I correct that sysctl on Linux is just a wrapper which shows and allows to set values for files in /proc virtual file-system, e.g. one coud do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" or "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1"? |
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| 14:49.29 | BigMouthCommie | anyone here unnong wheezy and devving for android with cordova? |
| 14:49.44 | t3ngu | mrtnt: yes, it so states in the man page: sysctl is used to modify kernel parameters at runtime. The parameters available are those listed under /proc/sys/ |
| 14:49.45 | BigMouthCommie | using wheezy.... |
| 14:49.51 | BigMouthCommie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.58 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay thanks. I did it in this order - dpkg --add-architecture i386 - apt-get update - apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 14:52.01 | [Lemmy] | ok so how do i convince dpkg that is doesnt have to try to configure nis every time i install or remove a package |
| 14:52.02 | Bluewolf | But its saying The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 14:52.04 | Bluewolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.06 | Bluewolf | And I dont want to remove that? |
| 14:52.06 | [Lemmy] | nis works fine now |
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| 14:52.25 | t3ngu | Bluewolf: it will probably needs to remove the 64bit versions |
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| 14:53.10 | SynrG | Bluewolf: you don't want to, no. that's due to either version skew or else lack of multiarch support for those packages. |
| 14:53.22 | SynrG | Bluewolf: is your system otherwise fully up-to-date? which release? |
| 14:53.27 | mrtnt | t3ngu: ok. So everything one can see and configure with sysctl, it's also possible to configure under /proc virtual file-system? |
| 14:54.31 | t3ngu | it is possible. I come from unix bckgrnd so i still play with sysctl . |
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| 14:54.53 | papi83dm | on debian 7, i'm having issue with sticky bit permission where is not carrying the group permission for new files |
| 14:55.04 | SynrG | [Lemmy]: we're still talking about raspbian? it is not supported here. you've been directed to the correct channel for support. |
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| 14:55.35 | papi83dm | i'm tried doing 1770 and 2770 and new files gets created with rw,r,r |
| 14:55.39 | mrtnt | t3ngu: ok, I see. Thanks! |
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| 14:56.13 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Well my system is up to date as far as I can tell, (apt-get update) should ensure that?. I'm using Wheezy 7.6.0 Gnome. |
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| 14:56.38 | SynrG | so i suspect the other alternative |
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| 14:57.07 | SynrG | Bluewolf: without proper multiarch support, the packages conflict and *cannot* be installed together. |
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| 14:58.14 | SynrG | apt tells me libgl1-nvidia-glx is Mult-Arch: same, which is fine ... |
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| 14:59.54 | t3ngu | papi83dm: what is the octet perms of the directory? |
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| 15:00.52 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Ah okay, I guess that's back to the drawing board. :( |
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| 15:01.02 | TwoWholeWorms | What ports does apt use by default? The sources are HTTP, so I'm guessing 80, but it's always worth checking. |
| 15:01.08 | papi83dm | t3ngu: i set the directory to 2770 |
| 15:01.21 | t3ngu | and owner? |
| 15:01.44 | papi83dm | its carrying out the owner and group, but not the permissions |
| 15:01.47 | SynrG | Bluewolf: not necessarily |
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| 15:05.52 | SynrG | Bluewolf: i'm pretty sure, unless your system isn't up to date, those libraries are *supposed* to be co-installable. by installing them both at once we'll see if there was an update you hadn't installed. |
| 15:05.53 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay, http://paste.debian.net/118952/ |
| 15:06.24 | SynrG | Bluewolf: yup! version skew. you didn't say you're using nvidia from backports |
| 15:06.30 | t3ngu | papi83dm: make the group permissions writable, and add both users in the same group.. :) |
| 15:06.38 | SynrG | Bluewolf: so use apt-get install -t wheezy-backports instead |
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| 15:07.34 | papi83dm | t3ngu: that will work for static files, but what about new created files |
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| 15:07.50 | SynrG | Bluewolf: and for future reference, the version# of each library when Multi-Arch: same (see apt-cache show libgl1-nvidia-glx and look for the Multi-Arch: field) needs to match. |
| 15:08.27 | t3ngu | papi83dm: if the dir permissions are 775 lets say, and the group owner of the directory is a shared group among both users, then it will work for all files if the umask of the users is 002 |
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| 15:09.17 | SynrG | Bluewolf: you can see in your paste where the reason it wants to remove it is because a specific version# is needed (the backports one) and you've asked it to install the stable (non-backports) one instead. |
| 15:09.19 | papi83dm | the thing is I only want files on that directory to have 660 by default, anywhere else I want the standard umask |
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| 15:11.06 | t3ngu | papi83dm: umask 0775 ; <save file> ; umask 0001 |
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| 15:13.22 | terminator | What is the difference between module and driver? |
| 15:13.51 | t3ngu | the driver drives, the module modulates (douch bag reply) |
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| 15:14.34 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay, I entered: "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports" and this is the output? - http://paste.debian.net/118956/ |
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| 15:14.55 | Bluewolf | Sorry I though I mentioned I was using Nvidia Backports |
| 15:15.37 | terminator | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.46 | SynrG | Bluewolf: ... |
| 15:15.47 | SynrG | sigh |
| 15:15.53 | SynrG | honestly, the degree of handholding |
| 15:16.00 | SynrG | Bluewolf: *instead* of apt-get install |
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| 15:16.09 | SynrG | do i have to retype the whole command? |
| 15:16.09 | Bluewolf | aptitued? |
| 15:16.31 | t3ngu | SynrG you are doing great work mate, |
| 15:16.38 | t3ngu | a little more patience :) |
| 15:16.41 | SynrG | just going a bit crazy |
| 15:16.41 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Sorry for the hand holding, let me try |
| 15:16.42 | heurist | papi83dm: use ACLs instead of ugo permissions. https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#Access_Control_Lists_in_Linux |
| 15:17.27 | SynrG | terminator: the kernel is modular. modules provide the bits of functionality. those bits may or may not, themselves, be drivers. the kernel consists of all sorts of things ... |
| 15:17.48 | SynrG | and drivers can actually be comprised of multiple modules, each one providing a different layer of functionality. |
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| 15:18.30 | SynrG | terminator: furthermore, drivers aren't always in kernel space. |
| 15:18.38 | SynrG | see fuse, for example. |
| 15:18.40 | Brigo | How can i check if my ISP router support ipv6? |
| 15:18.47 | SynrG | and sane ... |
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| 15:18.53 | SynrG | and xorg, of course. |
| 15:19.04 | t3ngu | one by one come to mind :) |
| 15:19.18 | t3ngu | folks, enjoy the evening for those in european timezones |
| 15:19.21 | SynrG | finally, modules aren't necessarily *kernel* modules. all sorts of software is modular. |
| 15:19.30 | t3ngu | bye and thanks for all the company |
| 15:19.33 | SynrG | later |
| 15:20.48 | terminator | Now clear as water :) |
| 15:21.07 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay I tired, do I continue?: aptitude install -t wheezy-backports (http://paste.debian.net/118957/) |
| 15:21.11 | Bluewolf | :D |
| 15:21.40 | papi83dm | heurist: ACL was not installed by default and when I remount the filesystem with acl option, it doesn't take acl |
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| 15:22.54 | SynrG | Bluewolf: no, no, no ... you're just making wild guesses now. |
| 15:23.26 | SynrG | the command i said before, except instead of "apt-get install", "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports" *at the front of the command* ... you have no packagenames |
| 15:23.39 | SynrG | you know how to install packages from backports i hope? |
| 15:23.43 | SynrG | you've done it before ... |
| 15:24.01 | SynrG | or else do you simply blindly cut-and-paste what people here tell you to type without understanding or remembering any of it? |
| 15:24.14 | babilen | .oO( Guess which poor soul walked Bluewolf through that?! ) |
| 15:24.26 | SynrG | <SynrG> Bluewolf: what if you say "apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386". and this time show complete output at paste.debian.net please |
| 15:24.31 | SynrG | ^^ the command i gave you before |
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| 15:24.49 | SynrG | Bluewolf: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 15:24.57 | SynrG | ^^ with the substitution i asked you to make |
| 15:25.25 | SynrG | babilen: my deepest sympathy |
| 15:26.08 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay, yes I do remember a bit about installing backports. One moment. :( |
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| 15:26.23 | SynrG | Bluewolf: sorry. the object is not to make you feel bad ... |
| 15:26.37 | SynrG | Bluewolf: but help lift you up from not knowing much, to knowing a little more. |
| 15:26.48 | SynrG | i would just like this lesson to stick, and then we'll both be happier for it |
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| 15:28.03 | Bluewolf | babilen: By the way i do appreciate it. |
| 15:28.06 | Bluewolf | SynrG: I will do my best to make it stick, after all it will save me time next time :D |
| 15:28.12 | SynrG | Bluewolf: assuming that command finally worked for you, just remember "-t wheezy-backports" each time you need to install something from backports |
| 15:28.27 | SynrG | if you think you're apt to forget, take notes! |
| 15:28.49 | SynrG | so if someone says "install blahblah 'from backports'" you can just consult your notes |
| 15:29.09 | Nik05 | or search everything on the archlinux wiki :D |
| 15:29.16 | SynrG | har, har |
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| 15:29.44 | SynrG | Bluewolf: the fact i'm still helping indicates i think you're worth it :) |
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| 15:31.43 | SynrG | Bluewolf: unless your amd64 version was out of date, by the way, the command might've worked if you only included the i386 version. but since i didn't memborize the versions available, vs what was in your paste, doing them both at once was the 'safe' way |
| 15:31.52 | SynrG | memorize* |
| 15:32.04 | babilen | *memorise |
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| 15:33.21 | zerous | i am using crunchbang. i wanted to use gcc 4.9 and so installed it but when i try to run cmake command. it still says that the compiler is gcc 4.7, is there a way to remove gcc-4.7 ? |
| 15:33.25 | SynrG | Canadians are special, we get to use funny spellings from both sides of the pond |
| 15:33.41 | SynrG | !crunchbang |
| 15:33.41 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:33.58 | SynrG | zerous: there might be ... but we wouldn't be able to advise you. see #crunchbang |
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| 15:35.26 | Bluewolf | SynrG: I am taking notes, and thank you for not abandoning me. Here's the output (I quiver with fear if I have done something wrong) - http://paste.debian.net/118963/ |
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| 15:36.03 | SynrG | Bluewolf: looks ok to me |
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| 15:36.53 | SynrG | Bluewolf: the "forcing reinstallation ..." lines, well ... |
| 15:37.14 | SynrG | Bluewolf: ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/current |
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| 15:38.55 | Bluewolf | SynrG: *Relief (I was concerned something worse than a US dictionary would be thrown at me :) ) |
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| 15:39.44 | hey_joe | is there a decent load balancing package for debian (apt-get)? |
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| 15:40.03 | hey_joe | i just need to balance to servers behind this new debian install. balance (round-robin) ssh, http, ftp etc |
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| 15:41.58 | petn-randall | Is there a way to remotely detect in which physical slot a PCI device is inserted? (in before "just look", it's in the datacentre) |
| 15:42.17 | heurist | petn-randall: lshw |
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| 15:44.35 | Bluewolf | SynrG: What is the purpose of this command?: ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/current |
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| 15:45.39 | petn-randall | heurist: How does that show if it's an internal device or in a slot? |
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| 15:47.56 | SynrG | Bluewolf: to see where the symlink points |
| 15:48.32 | SynrG | Bluewolf: likely into /etc/alternatives ... and so i would then want to see ls -l /etc/alternatives/<whatever> as well |
| 15:48.40 | heurist | petn-randall: you may have to guess a bit, after looking at the manual for the mainboard. |
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| 15:49.55 | SynrG | Bluewolf: supposing the warnings are *not* OK, you might have just broken the alternatives, making them point at i386 versions of these things instead of amd64 |
| 15:50.11 | Bluewolf | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/118966/ |
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| 15:50.39 | petn-randall | heurist: That's what I'm currently doing, I hoping for something more reliable :) |
| 15:51.01 | petn-randall | s/I hoping/I was hoping/ |
| 15:51.01 | SynrG | Bluewolf: ah. i didn't realize that was just a dir. |
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| 15:51.27 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Sorry which means? |
| 15:51.43 | heurist | petn-randall: you are talking about assessing hardware without being able to see it. manuals and guessing is the best you can really get. |
| 15:51.49 | SynrG | which means if it were a file, it would show me where it points, but since it's a directory, it shows me the contents, which doesn't answer my question :) |
| 15:52.59 | SynrG | hm, i forget. maybe ls -ld instead? |
| 15:53.44 | SynrG | Bluewolf: yes. ls -ld /usr/lib/nvidia/current, please |
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| 15:54.02 | SynrG | should be a single line of output, so can paste here |
| 15:55.40 | Bluewolf | SynrG: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 19 14:50 /usr/lib/nvidia/current |
| 15:55.52 | Bluewolf | I get it, a bit. |
| 15:55.52 | SynrG | Bluewolf: huh. not what i was expecting |
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| 15:56.22 | SynrG | it's not a symlink at all. so i guess the warning names the *target*. stupid me. |
| 15:57.52 | SynrG | well, the acid test is to logout of X and back in again. if it broke, you won't have working Xorg anymore ;) |
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| 15:58.44 | SynrG | sorry, i'm out of time on this one. hoping it's all ok and the nvidia alternatives group (which can be shown with update-alternatives; see the man page for how) points at the "right" place |
| 15:59.12 | SynrG | (i refer to our numerous skilled other helpers here to interpret these hieroglyphics for you :) |
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| 16:05.09 | SynrG | Bluewolf: in short, the warning is a warning because it automatically detected a couple of broken alternatives groups (maybe due to past misadventures in nvidia-land?) we'll assume for now those are correct. in the hands of an "expert" we might be able to gain confidence they are, indeed correct. |
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| 16:05.25 | SynrG | but as i said, life calls. later. |
| 16:05.57 | Bluewolf | SynrG: Okay so for now it should be good to go, Thanks for your help |
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| 16:11.14 | tyho | i am having problems with my openvpn setup. I am connecting using network-manager-openvpn-gnome and am trying to set up the server correctly. I currently am able to ping the server through the vpn but cannot get internet access |
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| 16:12.17 | tyho | my config is here |
| 16:12.19 | tyho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.25 | tyho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.27 | tyho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.29 | tyho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.30 | tyho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.46 | RoBo_V | hey guys im wondering that why "youtube-dl" like fabulous pckg, dont give 1080p download option ? only upto 720p |
| 16:12.53 | phy1729 | !tell tyho about paste |
| 16:12.55 | tyho | shit, sorry: http://paste.debian.net/118970/ |
| 16:13.19 | Nectur | How could i make a bootable(from grub) backup of my current debian? |
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| 16:14.46 | Nectur | i cant find much documentation on bootcd or if it could be used on an external hdd(usb) |
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| 16:16.32 | ChrisH | tyho: without doing a closer check of your config file; have you enabled ip-forward? Its disabled by default |
| 16:17.31 | ChrisH | tyho: I also assume you can connect any other system in yor LAN |
| 16:18.22 | tyho | ChrisH: yeah, enabled |
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| 16:18.50 | tyho | and i have working iptables rules |
| 16:19.06 | tyho | I had openvpn working with static keys and hardcoded routing |
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| 16:20.14 | jhutchins | tyho: The syntax varies between vpn servers, but you basically want the client to set the vpn connection as the default route. |
| 16:20.16 | rgr | Nectur : dd to another external drive. Easy. Alternatively just rsync your / to another disk. Come reinstall time you simply rsync ti back and then reinstall grub. Easiest is to dd it. |
| 16:20.38 | Frogging101-chan | Is it okay to upgrade libc6 on stable so that I can upgrade gcc? I think I may be doing it wrong |
| 16:20.50 | tyho | jhutchins: I think it is doing that becuase I cannot connect to the internet when I connect, which implies that all data is trying to go though the vpn |
| 16:20.55 | Frogging101-chan | (I'm on wheezy) |
| 16:21.23 | jhutchins | tyho: The server has to be set to allow the passthrough. |
| 16:21.36 | ChrisH | tyho: You can tcpdump on the server to see whats going on there. (Need to leave now) |
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| 16:21.52 | jhutchins | tyho: I think there's an option to either restrict to the local subnet or allow routing. |
| 16:21.55 | Nectur | rgr yes but i need an image file of it as i dont have empty drives lying around |
| 16:22.13 | tyho | push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp" |
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| 16:22.37 | jhutchins | Nectur: For image backups you need to be running from something other than what you're backing up. |
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| 16:23.33 | Nectur | ok so i can use dd to write to an image? |
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| 16:29.00 | HyperTekk | Whats up everyone! Im wanting to start building a personal distro off of a debian base. I was curious if someone could get me pointed in the right directions to do so :D |
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| 16:30.38 | bazhang | the net install? |
| 16:30.39 | Brigo | !tell HyperTekk about crosspost |
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| 16:31.41 | HyperTekk | :/ |
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| 16:39.52 | rgr | Nectur: no. You use dd to "clone" the drive. Ive used to loads of times with 100% success. here's a script I use to back up incrementally. https://gist.github.com/0927c47b1fe4c9e7fcef |
| 16:40.33 | rgr | with that I used it only yesterday. booted with syserscue. rsynced or cp'ied the back up to a new drive. chroot, install grub. done. new drive in place. boot. worked. |
| 16:40.45 | rgr | sysrescue |
| 16:40.57 | Frogging101-chan | Are backports secure? |
| 16:41.29 | iamwhoiam | hello people.. a question: i am running debian 7 kde, added fluxbox, on a macbook pro (not important, just letting you know). I didnt use to have any issue with the wireless, but know while i try to connect to a network 1, it doesnt show the networks (stopping and restarting the manager solves this), and 2, when i try to connect to a wireless it returns "error adding connections, insufficient privileges".. |
| 16:41.31 | iamwhoiam | any ideas? |
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| 16:42.58 | heurist | !tell Frogging101-chan -about backport caveat |
| 16:43.06 | Frogging101-chan | Thank you. |
| 16:43.07 | rgr | does kde use network manager too? |
| 16:43.41 | rgr | because if so the solution appears to be one google away involving polkit. |
| 16:43.44 | iamwhoiam | rgr kdes netwrok manager |
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| 16:45.02 | rgr | Then try google. polkit. |
| 16:45.27 | iamwhoiam | rgr: network-manager-kde... polkit? i was searching online for a solution, and though i found some concerning wicd etc, didnt want to change the manager without being sure i cannot solve it any other way. |
| 16:45.36 | iamwhoiam | rgr: i will |
| 16:45.44 | DanDare | Hi. After doing apt-get upgrade I got "WARNING: include path for php has changed! | libphp-adodb is no longer installed in /usr/share/adodb. New installation path is now /usr/share/php/adodb. Please update your php.ini file. Maybe you must also change your web-server configuration." |
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| 16:46.08 | iamwhoiam | but i dont understand what changed. I mean, it was not an issue before..hmm |
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| 16:46.35 | DanDare | I checked /etc/php5/cli/php.ini and /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and neither files contain any reference to "adodb". Should I care? Should I add paths to adodb there? |
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| 16:47.09 | Quantum` | Anyone know why ZFS fails to mount /home on boot? https://pastee.org/zgach |
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| 16:47.24 | Quantum` | G**gle's never heard of these errors. |
| 16:47.39 | DanDare | If libphp-adodb package is installed is because it was installed as dependency as I never installed that directly |
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| 16:48.57 | Quantum` | ... and a search of the packages doesn't find either /etc/zfs/common.init or checksystem. |
| 16:49.15 | Junka | does changes that will effect stable take also place in unstable? i.e. systemd |
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| 16:49.34 | Junka | or a user of the unstable branch has to do it manually? |
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| 16:54.31 | fps | hmm, checkinstall just needed over 20 minutes for the "Copying files to temporary directory" step |
| 16:54.35 | fps | then our buildbot killed it.. |
| 16:54.55 | fps | the install step of the cmake based build took on the order of 10 secs |
| 16:55.02 | fps | what is checkinstall doing all that time? |
| 16:55.03 | fps | :) |
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| 16:55.24 | valdyn | Junka: the change in unstable is different, so the transition might be different too |
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| 16:58.54 | jhutchins | fps: We are happy to provide support for the debian packaging system. |
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| 17:00.06 | Junka | valdyn, i see thanks |
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| 17:01.48 | fps | jhutchins: i once started to read the [extensive] documentation of how to create a "real" package. it's very daunting. but good to know :) |
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| 17:15.14 | newmember | morning: I have this error, how might I fix this? mkdir: cannot create directory `backups': Read-only file system |
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| 17:34.19 | nkuttler | newmember: mount -o remount,rw /mount/point/ |
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| 17:36.19 | newmember | nkuttler: mount: block device /dev/sdb1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 17:36.49 | nkuttler | newmember: sounds like writing is disabled at a lower level then.. |
| 17:36.56 | nkuttler | newmember: what kind of device is it? |
| 17:37.13 | newmember | SCSI disk I suspect |
| 17:37.31 | newmember | nkuttler: its really |
| 17:37.41 | nkuttler | it could just be broken, you know |
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| 17:37.52 | justanotheruser | Is testing branch support allowed here? |
| 17:37.58 | nkuttler | justanotheruser: no |
| 17:38.43 | justanotheruser | nkuttler: should I file a bug report with xfce or debian if I have a problem with the panel? |
| 17:38.50 | nkuttler | newmember: i assume the drive used to be rw in the past, right? |
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| 17:38.58 | newmember | yes |
| 17:38.59 | nkuttler | justanotheruser: debian. make sure you can reproduce it |
| 17:39.04 | heurist | !tell justanotheruser -about debian-next |
| 17:39.05 | newmember | until maybe last wek sometime |
| 17:39.21 | justanotheruser | thanks heurist |
| 17:39.27 | nkuttler | newmember: sounds like a good time to make a backup, as long as you can read from it.. |
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| 17:39.32 | justanotheruser | oh, I must be invoted? |
| 17:39.36 | justanotheruser | *invited |
| 17:39.40 | nkuttler | !tell justanotheruser about oftc |
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| 17:39.59 | justanotheruser | I see. Thanks |
| 17:40.07 | heurist | justanotheruser: irc.oftc.net not freenode |
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| 17:41.22 | justanotheruser | right |
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| 17:48.42 | iateadonut | i'm looking for exploits on my server and trying to get a list of all wordpress plugins. i'm trying this: |
| 17:48.42 | iateadonut | find /home -type d | grep wp-content/plugins |
| 17:49.05 | iateadonut | but i only want to return directories down one directory from plugins, so this: |
| 17:49.05 | iateadonut | /home/domain/public_html/mobile/wp-content/plugins/advanced-custom-fields |
| 17:49.19 | iateadonut | but not this |
| 17:49.19 | iateadonut | /home/domain/public_html/mobile/wp-content/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/js |
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| 17:49.41 | heurist | !tell iateadonut -about enter |
| 17:50.04 | heurist | iateadonut: see -maxdepth in the find manual |
| 17:50.09 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 17:50.46 | Nebukadneza | hi |
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| 17:51.50 | Nebukadneza | for unattended-upgrades, i need an "archive or suite based match", for one of my repositories/packages -- i've installed php5 from "dotdeb.org", and want to find a pattern so i can let unattended-upgrades upgrade it, so like "origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security"; -- just, how can i find those labels out? |
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| 17:56.04 | Nebukadneza | heurist: that was not the question here, and there is no frankenstein mix or support of that |
| 17:56.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps can u help me with unison it keeps segfaulting |
| 17:56.25 | jhutchins | !dotdeb |
| 17:56.25 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 17:56.34 | Nebukadneza | all i want to know is how i can properly label a certain package source correctly for unattended-upgrades |
| 17:56.45 | Nebukadneza | so consider this an unattended-upgrades question |
| 17:58.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried everything i can think of |
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| 17:58.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ssh reg chaning / |
| 17:59.09 | Nebukadneza | jhutchins: i didn't ask on anything from dotdeb, i asked on a genuine debian package that is part of the debian:suite and apt distribution, as far as i know |
| 17:59.38 | Nebukadneza | the mere fact that some software that is totally unrelated to the question at hand is installed somewhere on the system shouldn't make any difference |
| 18:00.05 | jhutchins | Nebukadneza: Don't be defensive. I just checked the factoid to see if anything in it was useful. |
| 18:00.28 | Nebukadneza | to be honest i feel a little bit offended ;( |
| 18:00.34 | jhutchins | Nebukadneza: The packagers/maintainers are responsible for the tags/labels that are in the package name and the index. |
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| 18:00.57 | Nebukadneza | mh yes, but there should be some way to capture the right packages/sources with that filter-syntax unattended-upgrades uses, right? |
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| 18:01.59 | jhutchins | Nebukadneza: I don't know. I don't know if aptitude or apt-get would be able to tell, but you might be able to mess with the output format of dpkg to get a list of packages. |
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| 18:02.22 | Nebukadneza | mh, i'm trying to get apt or dpkg to output the useful fields atm |
| 18:02.23 | wblankenship | Is there a more reliable source for version information than `/etc/debian_version`? |
| 18:02.48 | wblankenship | And, if not, is there a specification for that file? |
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| 18:04.33 | wblankenship | *that isn't lsb_release |
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| 18:07.49 | Nebukadneza | ahhh |
| 18:07.51 | Nebukadneza | i think i got it |
| 18:08.22 | Nebukadneza | the top of the Releases file of the repository contains the matching information! |
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| 18:20.23 | Quantum` | Anyone know why ZFS fails to mount /home on boot? https://pastee.org/zgach |
| 18:20.29 | Quantum` | G**gle's never heard of these errors. |
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| 18:22.16 | Brigo | Quantum`, lines 8 and 9 are self explanatories |
| 18:22.59 | Quantum` | Brigo: You'd think. Unfortunately neither of those files are in any Debian package. |
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| 18:24.55 | brupha | having problems shutting down/rebooting with debian jessie beta 1. If I shutdown/reboot just as my user, will hang with a blinking cursor and require holding the power button. if I shutdown with root, it will shutdown/reboot. The other problem is when shutting down, it states "Cannot finalize remaining file systems and devices, giving up." ... which I'm assuming is an unclean shutdown. |
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| 18:25.52 | Brigo | Quantum, may be they should not be, they could be generating in some install step, or should be created by yourself (i do not know) |
| 18:25.55 | jinjonBoo | hey guys. i've developed a web app (back-office) [win7.64/xampp] that needs integration with Active Directory. till here everything's fine: i've enabled the "extension=ldap.dll" on the php.ini, and applied the Open-Spource "adLDAP" from sourceforge. problem is, i need to replicate it to a debian[apache/php/mssql] environment, and i'm very noob at linux in general. i've already installed "sudo |
| 18:25.55 | jinjonBoo | apt-get install php5-ldap", but i dunno how i should enable it on the .ini or something, or what do you consider the steps to make ldap running at this environment? thanks in advance |
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| 18:27.10 | valdyn | jinjonBoo: theres so much non-debian stuff involved, how could we support this? |
| 18:27.21 | Brigo | brupha, for jessie support join #debian-next channel in OFTC server. For your problems i suggest to join #debian-systemd in oftc too. |
| 18:28.22 | brupha | thanks Brigo |
| 18:28.39 | Brigo | brupha, np :) |
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| 18:33.40 | roelj | A few days ago I asked about a bug in lilypond-doc package which breaks the package system. I see there has been a patch provided for the problem, however, I don't know how to solve my problem. What can I do? The bug report is here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758787#5 |
| 18:34.17 | roelj | Can I somehow manually change the package in the cache to change to absolute symlinks? |
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| 18:37.28 | dondelelcaro | roelj: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/lilypond-doc.prerm, or you can wait until later today when I upload a fixed version |
| 18:37.55 | dondelelcaro | err, postinst, rather |
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| 18:39.10 | roelj | dondelelcaro: Thanks :) |
| 18:41.02 | dondelelcaro | (it would have been fixed earlier, but I was at burning man) |
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| 18:43.28 | roelj | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your efforts |
| 18:47.23 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: That's a pretty cool excuse. |
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| 18:48.23 | Quantum` | Anyone actually have zfs working? |
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| 18:49.53 | jhutchins | Quantum`: I know people who do. |
| 18:50.30 | dondelelcaro | roelj: no problem! |
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| 18:52.02 | jinjonBoo | hey guys. i've installed php5-ldap to run LDAP on my apache/php instance. where should i enable it, in php.ini? what is the name exactly? |
| 18:53.16 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: heh; it was pretty fun... but very little internet |
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| 18:54.06 | Quantum` | jhutchins: The sysv in it script is thoroughly busted. |
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| 18:54.51 | dondelelcaro | jinjonBoo: it should be enabled for you |
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| 19:04.07 | gribouille | hi |
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| 19:05.59 | gribouille | I installed debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso on an USB stick with unetbootin. while trying to install debien from that stick, I get the following error message : "failed to load com32 file menu.c32" what does this mean? |
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| 19:07.35 | Brigo | gribouille, does not use unetbootit, it fails as you can see. |
| 19:07.55 | gribouille | Brigo, what else whould I use? |
| 19:08.11 | gribouille | s/whould/should |
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| 19:08.35 | Brigo | cp debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb (if your usb stick is sdb) |
| 19:08.55 | gribouille | Brigo, are you swure it works? |
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| 19:09.57 | Brigo | of course and if you prefer if=debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb will do the job too. |
| 19:09.58 | Draco_Metallium | Since when has unetbooting stop working? |
| 19:11.19 | Draco_Metallium | gribouille, did you check that the USB was formated as fat32? |
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| 19:12.45 | Brigo | gribouille, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:13.59 | gribouille | Draco_Metallium, yes it is |
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| 19:15.48 | jhutchins | Brigo: Might want to throw a dd in there. |
| 19:16.19 | jhutchins | Draco_Metallium: Doesn't matter what the thing is formatted as, the image overwrites it. |
| 19:16.23 | Brigo | jhulst, oh, yes :) |
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| 19:16.28 | Brigo | jhutchins, , oh, yes :) |
| 19:16.38 | Brigo | of course and if you prefer if=debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso dd of=/dev/sdb will do the job too. |
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| 19:17.10 | jhutchins | Let's try dd if=debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 19:22.42 | garyserj | gribouille: I recently did it.. |
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| 19:22.59 | garyserj | I think I once used dd.. once used ddrescue.. but I also used cat and cp |
| 19:23.03 | garyserj | any of those |
| 19:23.21 | garyserj | cat a.iso >/dev/sdb<ENTER> |
| 19:23.32 | garyserj | cp a.iso /dev/sdb<ENTER> |
| 19:23.55 | garyserj | it is built to support usb already. no need for unetbootin |
| 19:23.59 | garyserj | you're not meant to use unetbootin |
| 19:24.02 | garyserj | on it |
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| 19:36.36 | rhineheart_m | helo guys.. is it possible to run mysql v5.0 and v5.5.38 in debian at the same time? |
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| 19:40.01 | roelj | rhineheart_m: In lack for a better solution, take a look at "docker" (www.docker.com). |
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| 19:41.46 | rhineheart_m | roelj, thanks.. but is it possible to run mysql 5.0 and version 5.5.38 at the same time? |
| 19:41.48 | Brigo | rhineheart_m, or lxc. |
| 19:42.09 | Brigo | rhineheart_m, docker an lxc are solutions to achive it. |
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| 19:46.21 | roelj | rhineheart_m: Basically, with, docker (or lxc indeed), you can run self-contained containers of an OS or a "deployment" (like a specific MySQL version).. |
| 19:46.33 | roelj | rhineheart_m: You can run multiple docker containers at the same time. |
| 19:47.26 | roelj | rhineheart_m: which would effectively achieve your goal. |
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| 19:47.53 | jinjonBoo | dondelelcaro: but if it isn't, how can i enable it? is there some command or anything? |
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| 19:52.24 | rhineheart_m | roelj and Brigo, thanks.. I have cloned my vm.. it is possible however to install mysql 5.0 in debian 7.6? |
| 19:54.11 | roelj | rhineheart_m: A quick look at the package list says there isn't a 5.0 version available. |
| 19:54.43 | roelj | rhineheart_m: If you have local packages, you could install those though.. |
| 19:54.48 | millican | Is debian moving to mariadb? |
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| 19:55.25 | Brigo | rhineheart_m, or you can find it in snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:55.33 | Brigo | s/it/them |
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| 19:57.37 | rhineheart_m | Brigo, only v3 is available in snapshot.debian.net.. but thanks. |
| 19:57.55 | Brigo | rhineheart_m, all packages are in snapshot.debian.net |
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| 19:59.09 | rhineheart_m | Brigo, I can't really find.. Sorry |
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| 19:59.32 | roelj | rhineheart_m: I'm not sure if this is good enough, version 5.1: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mysql-5.1/ |
| 19:59.37 | Brigo | nor me, but it is there, but with other name like mysql-5 or so :) |
| 20:00.05 | Brigo | i got it: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/mysql-server-5.0/ :) |
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| 20:01.16 | rhineheart_m | thanks guys.. ;) how to install http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20090801T192339Z/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.84-1_alpha.deb on wheezy? |
| 20:02.00 | roelj | rhineheart_m: dpkg -i <location_to_downloaded_package> ? |
| 20:02.11 | rhineheart_m | this one instead http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20090801T192339Z/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.84-1_i386.deb |
| 20:02.25 | rhineheart_m | ok.. thanks.. roelj. thanks Brigo for the link |
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| 20:02.52 | Brigo | rhineheart_m, np and good luck :) |
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| 20:03.05 | roelj | rhineheart_m: no problem :) |
| 20:03.30 | roelj | Brigo: I didn't know about snapshot.debian.net. Thanks for sharing the info! |
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| 20:04.08 | Brigo | roelj, i think debian has a lot of good resources who nobody knows ... |
| 20:04.15 | Lope | I want to format my SSD, I'm running linux mint 17. There are a million articles about aligning partitions on a SSD, I'm not sure which one to trust. But I read somewhere that it's safer leaving a bigger space at the beginning of the drive to be sure that you're on a page boundary, nomatter how big the individual pages are internally. Something like 8MB should be good hey? |
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| 20:04.27 | Lope | are there any simple guides or links on how to do this? |
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| 20:07.11 | jhutchins | !mint |
| 20:07.13 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 20:09.20 | DammitJim | !mintchocolatechip |
| 20:09.20 | Lope | oh, well I'm just formatting it on mint, but all my servers are running debian and I'm going to be using this external drive on both |
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| 20:11.35 | jhutchins | Lope: I just did a normal install and it's been fine so far. Newer drives require far less coddling. |
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| 20:12.16 | Lope | working fine doesn't mean you're not wasting erase cycles all the time |
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| 20:14.29 | roelj | Lope: I've recently installed Debian on an SSD in my laptop with Btrfs. Just followed the standard partitioning options and added SSD-specific options to /etc/fstab (taken from Arch wiki). You just need to make sure you align the filesystem right, leaving more space at the beginning is pointless (as it wouldn't align better..) I believe. |
| 20:15.31 | roelj | Lope: Choosing the right filesystem can save a lot of writes as well.. so read up on them if you are really concerned (ext4 doesn't seem to be very efficient with this). |
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| 20:18.21 | Lope | I'm not worried about writes. my SSD is rated for 72GB/day for 3 years. |
| 20:18.32 | rhineheart_m | roelj, I got this error dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0_5.0.84-1_i386.deb (--install) subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:19.39 | roelj | rhineheart_m: Is that all dpkg tells? |
| 20:20.46 | jhutchins | rhineheart_m: WHat release is the base system? |
| 20:21.01 | rhineheart_m | http://pastebin.com/keJkNZAG |
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| 20:21.22 | rhineheart_m | jhutchins, in wheezy |
| 20:21.58 | jinjonBoo | dondelelcaro: can u please reply? and if it isn't? where should i compile it/enable it ?? |
| 20:22.12 | rhineheart_m | or the dependencies of version 5.5.38 is the culprit? needs to remove them all.. then proceed with the installation? |
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| 20:22.42 | roelj | rhineheart_m: I think it's trying to downgrade.. You should install this version in a container (LXC or docker) |
| 20:22.51 | roelj | rhineheart_m: So it's separate from the 5.5 install |
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| 20:26.32 | abcdefghi | i have a laptop connected to home router via wifi. i have a little NAS connected via cable to my laptop. i want the NAS to be able to reach the internet. i enabled ipv4 forwarding in sysctl on my laptop and gave the NAS my laptop's ip as default route. now the NAS can ping the laptop AND the router, but nothing outside of that. is there anything obvious i am missing? (i have no access to the wifi router) |
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| 20:27.16 | jinjonBoo | hey guys what's the best way to know that a module/extension for apache (php5-ldap) is enabled? what should be on php.ini ? |
| 20:28.31 | roelj | jinjonBoo: Check with <?php phpinfo(); ?>, and see if it's enabled. |
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| 20:29.27 | jinjonBoo | it isn't. i have to enable it. how? |
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| 20:33.21 | jhutchins | jinjonBoo: Is it an apache module or a php module? |
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| 20:35.42 | squisher | abcdefghi, the problem is that the wifi router doesn't know that the nas IP needs to get routed through your laptop. I'd try nat instead |
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| 20:37.32 | dondelelcaro | jinjonBoo: it's in /etc/php5/conf.d/ldap.ini or similar, and it should be enabled by the configuration file in /etc/php5/*/php5.ini by including that directory as appropriate |
| 20:37.51 | dondelelcaro | jinjonBoo: you may have to restart apache or whatever else you're using too, though. |
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| 20:48.16 | Guest25550 | morning fellows, I feel ashame, but I need some help resetting my root PW no debian... |
| 20:48.23 | Guest25550 | *on |
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| 20:49.18 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Guest25550 about forgot root password |
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| 20:50.53 | morty_ | that's not a very good way to start your day :-] |
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| 20:53.31 | Guest25550 | can dpkg tell about the option from accessing from a live system (in this case parted magic)? |
| 20:53.44 | Guest25550 | no but it is in the middle of the nigght over here ;-) |
| 20:55.43 | jinjonBoo | jhutchins: it's a PHP module |
| 20:56.26 | Guest25550 | I got some manual saying: --> directory to */mnt/etc* ---> edit the file *shadow* ---> Find the line starting with *root:* ---> Delete everything between the first and second colons |
| 20:56.40 | Guest25550 | but there is nothing in the /mnt/ folder |
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| 20:57.56 | jelly-home | Guest25550: you're supposed to mount your installation's / filesystem to /mnt |
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| 20:58.20 | Guest25550 | dpkg is a little cryptic for my noobish state of knowledge |
| 20:58.20 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Guest25550 |
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| 20:59.21 | jelly-home | it's terse by necessity, but if you follow the recpite carefully it ought to work |
| 20:59.36 | Guest25550 | garyle, yea for sure but there is nothing in there |
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| 21:00.34 | Guest25550 | ok some kinda idea popping into my conscisness |
| 21:00.35 | jelly-home | that means you have not mounted it yet, or you mounted it some place else |
| 21:01.11 | BigMouthCommie | Guest25550: i'm rly sorry about your situation... i am feeling anguish over how i could save my system if something like that happened, and the only thing to do (for me, with my experience) is to reinstall my system... of course, i keep my /home on a separate part |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | BigMouthCommie: um, there's a well-known workaround for that particular situation and no need for a reinstall |
| 21:02.07 | BigMouthCommie | you r kidding me? |
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| 21:02.47 | jelly-home | BigMouthCommie: read /msg dpkg forgot root password |
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| 21:04.46 | mtn | having to reinstall might help improve people's password management skills :P |
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| 21:06.09 | Guest25550 | well I have the partition mounted I can access the /mnt/ folder but there is nothing in there despite a folder that I created one to use external HDs |
| 21:06.19 | Guest25550 | mtn, fur sure haha ;-X |
| 21:06.32 | Guest25550 | *ones |
| 21:06.43 | jhutchins | Guest25550: THen you DON'T have the partition mounted to /mnt |
| 21:07.02 | jhutchins | Guest25550: try just "mount" and see if it's mounted at all, and where. |
| 21:07.31 | BigMouthCommie | it had a negative affect on my skillz, mtn. now, i use the most worthless passwords, and just try to keep the sensitivity of my activities as low as possible |
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| 21:08.41 | Guest25550 | jhutchins, /dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type ext4 (rw) |
| 21:09.08 | jelly-home | Guest25550: "/media/sda7" instead of "/mnt", then |
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| 21:14.28 | Guest25550 | damn cheers man, that was kinda stupid from my side.... |
| 21:14.31 | Guest25550 | THX |
| 21:14.40 | ShalokShalom | is there such a thing like a non free touchpad driver ? if not: the debian-instaler beta 1 cant detect my touchpad |
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| 21:16.30 | jhutchins | Guest25550: You'll learn. |
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| 21:16.49 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Why are you using the beta installer? |
| 21:17.05 | ShalokShalom | to test it |
| 21:17.52 | ShalokShalom | what is the recommended way to install testing ? upgrade from 7 ? |
| 21:18.09 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Well, there ya go, it doesn't work with your touchpad. Kindly report that. |
| 21:18.32 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: AFIK there aren't any current touchpads that don't work with the standard drivers. |
| 21:18.49 | ShalokShalom | i get redirected to this chan from #debian-next |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Yes, recommended method of installing testing is to upgrade stable. |
| 21:19.11 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: On oftc.net? |
| 21:19.12 | ShalokShalom | ok, thanks |
| 21:19.17 | ShalokShalom | freenode |
| 21:19.34 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: I generally like to have testing dual-boot with stable so I can fix it when it breaks. |
| 21:19.52 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: That is because #debian-next is on oftc.net. |
| 21:19.53 | ShalokShalom | it goes into freeze ion november ? |
| 21:20.02 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 21:20.07 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Somethnig like that. |
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| 21:23.15 | Guest25550 | jhutchins, may I just ask again bout my issue, the description I got says: Delete everything between the first and second colons (:), and the line will now look like: "root::$6$fsdsdgdsg74.:14862:0:99999:7:::" |
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| 21:23.54 | Guest25550 | in my case it would following these instructions rather look like: "root::14862:0:99999:7:::" |
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| 21:27.49 | jhutchins | Guest25550: The characters between the first pair of colons are the hash of the password. By deleting them, you are removing the password. |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins | Guest25550: man shadow will tell you more about the file and how it works. |
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| 21:28.27 | Guest25550 | jhutchins, ok cheers again! |
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| 21:30.13 | rhineheart_m | is debian 5 still supported in archive mirror? |
| 21:30.42 | jhutchins | rhineheart_m: Not so much supported, but it should be there. |
| 21:30.43 | rhineheart_m | ...just got archive mirror not available here.. |
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| 21:31.20 | rhineheart_m | what server? I tried USA.. mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 21:40.22 | squisher | rhineheart_m, I am not sure archive has mirrors. http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 21:48.47 | jhutchins | rhineheart_m: archive.debian.org? |
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| 21:49.27 | rhineheart_m | jhutchins, where to define it? seems that I can't see it.. under United States? |
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| 21:50.28 | jhutchins | rhineheart_m: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 21:51.03 | jhutchins | rhineheart_m: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 22:05.56 | millican | Does anyone know how to boot after updating and getting the "file not found" message and grub_rescue prompt? |
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| 22:06.52 | Brigo | millican, is not there any other kernels configured in grub? |
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| 22:07.08 | millican | No. |
| 22:07.17 | Brigo | it should be there :) |
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| 22:07.40 | millican | Yes. but how do you boot when it isn't? |
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| 22:07.41 | Brigo | millican, The easier is to boot from a rescue disk and reinstall grub |
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| 22:08.20 | millican | I've tried an Ubuntu 11.04 I had on hand, but it hangs on boot. I'm trying other live disks I have on hand. |
| 22:08.22 | Brigo | but grub itself has a tools for fix things, like search for missing files. |
| 22:09.04 | Brigo | the ubuntu disk hangs on boot too? very bad luck! :) |
| 22:09.47 | millican | It seems to be missing some drivers (the ubuntu disk) |
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| 22:12.27 | deepblue | maybe i'm too stupid, but what's the command to format my internal 2TB sata hdd to ext3? using mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1 works, but only with errors after long long time... where am i failing? |
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| 22:22.29 | manjaro-lxde | Hi. is there a way to link many text files in to one so that changes made in the big reflects in the original smaller ones? |
| 22:23.45 | mtn | manjaro-lxde: since you use manjaro, just get your support there. debian is supported in this channel |
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| 22:42.11 | acf_ | anyone notice dbus/polkit things break in jessie? |
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| 22:42.34 | acf_ | suspend (in Xfce) and network-manager won't work properly |
| 22:42.52 | acf_ | "Failed to suspend session" "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Operation not permitted" |
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| 22:44.37 | millican | some progress. sda was the boot disk. sdb had /home. During the dist-upgrade, grub was newly installed on sda while the bios was still set to boot sdb. |
| 22:44.41 | phy1729 | abrotman, themill can you fix ^ |
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| 22:46.01 | acf_ | from nm-applet: "(32) org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control request failed: not authorized" |
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| 22:46.27 | acf_ | I have two Debian Xfce machines, one amd64, one i386 |
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| 22:46.33 | acf_ | both broke after upgrading jessie |
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| 22:47.31 | millican | upgrading from or to jessie? |
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| 22:47.46 | acf_ | upgrading to jessie from older jessie |
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| 22:47.59 | millican | what are you getting on booting the pc? |
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| 22:48.19 | acf_ | meaning "does it persist directly after boot?" |
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| 22:48.26 | rhineheart_m | has any1 here encountered invalid cursor state issue? |
| 22:48.39 | millican | does jessie boot? |
| 22:48.41 | acf_ | yes |
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| 22:49.07 | millican | OK. That's good. What is broken about it? |
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| 22:49.21 | acf_ | trying to suspend throught the Xfce GUI triggers an error |
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| 22:49.27 | acf_ | "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Operation not permitted" |
| 22:49.40 | acf_ | similar errors if I try to manipulate NetworkManager through nm-applet |
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| 22:49.48 | acf_ | it seems like something with dbus or polkit broke? |
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| 22:50.15 | acf_ | the one from nm-applet: "(32) org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control request failed: not authorized" |
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| 22:50.31 | millican | Sounds like it. I'm not sure what though. Is there anything that needs to be updated still after the upgrade? |
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| 22:50.44 | acf_ | I ran dist-upgrade |
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| 22:50.56 | acf_ | and it installed all of the updates |
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| 22:51.29 | acf_ | if I run it again: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:51.42 | millican | I'm stumped. |
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| 22:51.50 | acf_ | yeah, me too |
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| 22:52.03 | acf_ | have you any suggestions on where to begin debugging polkit/dbus interaction? |
| 22:52.16 | millican | I've never had to work too much with those. |
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| 22:53.20 | acf_ | same here (until now :P). guess I'll do some reading on them |
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| 23:04.46 | tlloser777 | is it common for networkmanager to constantly try to connect to ifupdown? I don't have an ethernet cable plugged in and it will continue trying to connect until I hit disconnect |
| 23:05.32 | nkuttler | tlloser777: sounds like it's trying to do it's job? |
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| 23:06.09 | tlloser777 | nkuttler: I mean nm-applet shows the connecting animation constantly--and it says it's requesting an address |
| 23:06.26 | tlloser777 | even though the ethernet interface is down |
| 23:06.41 | tlloser777 | if I plug in a cable it will use ethernet correctly--I just don't know why it won't stop trying to reconnect when there's no cable |
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| 23:07.10 | acf_ | alright. apparently things don't work with sysvinit anymore |
| 23:07.16 | acf_ | installed systemd, and all is well |
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| 23:07.29 | acf_ | tlloser777: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:08.18 | tlloser777 | acf_: testing |
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| 23:08.57 | tlloser777 | acf_: I didn't notice this problem for a long time becuase I was using a half/broken configuration where I had both ifplugd and ifupdown installed at the same time |
| 23:09.09 | tlloser777 | I just got rid of ifplugd recently |
| 23:09.55 | acf_ | oh. I'm guessing you've upgraded/rebooted/etc...? |
| 23:10.48 | tlloser777 | acf_: yeah I guess it's not that much of a problem since I can connect fine |
| 23:11.34 | acf_ | certainly don't see that on the latest jessie here |
| 23:13.54 | tlloser777 | all I have configured afaik is the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces for allow-hotplug anddhcp; ifupdown managed=true in NetworkManager.conf |
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| 23:15.30 | acf_ | possibly see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Wired_Networks_are_Unmanaged |
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| 23:16.54 | acf_ | so I guess network-manager is upset if you mention the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:18.47 | acf_ | possibly the dhcp line causes network-manager to think the interface is active even if it's not |
| 23:18.54 | acf_ | because dhcpcd is running? |
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| 23:41.34 | garyle_ | wtf wtf |
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| 23:53.57 | tlloser777 | okay it turns out that ifplugd is not needed for networkmanager to correctly handle a wired interface |
| 23:54.03 | tlloser777 | **neither is ifupdown |
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