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| 00:31.18 | physixer | I'm trying to install a bpo kernel but apt-get says "unmet dependencies" for initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed ... you have broken held packages |
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| 00:32.06 | somiaj | physixer: how are you trying to install this kernel? |
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| 00:32.31 | physixer | sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-486 |
| 00:33.01 | somiaj | physixer: tell apt it is from wheezy-backports, so 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-...' |
| 00:33.16 | physixer | oh ok thanks. I forgot |
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| 01:18.30 | Densukke | hello |
| 01:18.56 | Densukke | anyone might know why in a custom errorpage (apache) the images are not being displayed? |
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| 01:23.55 | uniqdom | Densukke try to check the path and filenames of the images... remeber that the system is case sensitve |
| 01:24.04 | nkuttler | Densukke: link? |
| 01:24.37 | uniqdom | remember* |
| 01:25.26 | pfsense_rookie | Hello, I need to download wpasupplicant so I can get internet access on pc without ethernet connection, which is doing a netinstall. Now I am lacking some dependencies. Isn't there an easier way of downloading the dependencies than going through the list of dependencies on each package? |
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| 01:28.41 | centrx | pfsense_rookie, Use the full CDs? |
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| 01:30.33 | pfsense_rookie | ..., that's not the method I am in. |
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| 01:32.14 | uniqdom | centrx: so, you don't have apt-get? |
| 01:32.17 | pfsense_rookie | How would I have guessed that I am not supposed to use netinstall if I need to connect by wireless internet... |
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| 01:32.33 | uniqdom | sorry... it was to pfsense_rookie |
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| 01:33.09 | pfsense_rookie | Anyway, it seems that I only need wpasupplicant wireless-tools libdbus-1-3 libiw30 libnl1 libpcsclite1 |
| 01:33.34 | pfsense_rookie | uniqdom, don't have internet access yet. |
| 01:33.54 | MrFifths_ | Hi, can someone help me with upgrading wheezy to jessie? |
| 01:34.40 | centrx | dpkg, tell MrFifths_ about wheezy->jessie |
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| 01:35.57 | iateadonut | is there a way to send an output to file after the process has already been started? |
| 01:36.03 | phy1729 | security.debian.org no longer has 128.31.0.36. Is this perminant or temporary? |
| 01:36.17 | MrFifths_ | I should have added, I've done the standard procedure but something's wrong, I don't get any software updates |
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| 01:36.34 | centrx | MrFifths_, Paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 01:36.42 | MrFifths_ | Okay |
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| 01:38.04 | MrFifths_ | paste.debian.net/119040/ |
| 01:38.05 | centrx | iateadonut, Maybe stop it with Ctrl-Z, then start it again with fg, but redirect the output after the fg command ? |
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| 01:39.22 | centrx | MrFifths_, Delete the lines for the CDs, and add one for "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" |
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| 01:42.51 | MrFifths_ | Afterwards do I just run update and dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:43.31 | centrx | MrFifths_, Yes |
| 01:43.44 | MrFifths_ | Okay, trying it now |
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| 01:48.10 | MrFifths | Everything looks like it's downloading fine. Thanks centrx |
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| 01:54.02 | iateadonut | centrx, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 01:55.16 | centrx | You are welcome |
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| 02:13.29 | Densukke | got it working |
| 02:13.37 | Densukke | needed to add the relative route |
| 02:13.46 | Densukke | not the full one :D |
| 02:13.54 | Densukke | live and learn... thanks anyways! |
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| 02:52.37 | tayjes16 | Hi, I'm reading through the docs at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting, and I'm trying to understand if it's possible for me to use Debian testing (Jessie) right now, and then when Jessie becomes Debian stable, to have the system not use testing packages anymore. Is that possible? |
| 02:53.20 | dvs | tayjes16: That's precisely why you use the release name like "jessie" and not the state name like "testing" |
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| 02:54.19 | centrx | tayjes16, Make sure you have a security line for jessie even if it has no packages right now, it will after release |
| 02:54.31 | centrx | *Also |
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| 02:56.09 | tayjes16 | OK, so basically, where my current /etc/apt/sources.list says wheezy, I would just replace that with jessie and update and then it will do what I want? |
| 02:57.06 | dvs | tayjes16: correct. |
| 02:57.09 | centrx | tayjes16, Follow the instructions for upgrading to testing, then keep up with updates and when stable releases you will have the same installation as the stable release |
| 02:58.06 | tayjes16 | Thank you both. |
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| 02:59.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Descriptioned about root |
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| 03:09.09 | dizzyliz1y | I have a laptop and desktop, both are running debian. I'd like to use my laptop's wifi, connect the two computers with an ethernet cable, and bridge the connection for my desktop to use. I don't know what this is called. What should I be looking up for seeing how to do this? |
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| 03:10.08 | Dewio | dizzylizzy: it's called NAT, connection sharing, or IP masquerading |
| 03:10.18 | dizzylizzy | thank you |
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| 03:11.18 | Dewio | dizzylizzy: it's generally handled by the firewall, so iptables or any configuration program you have managing your iptables |
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| 03:17.16 | vook | What is the debian way to set ethtool options at boot? |
| 03:18.54 | vook | eh, nm - I guess the wakeonlan wiki gives info... |
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| 03:37.20 | gravspeed | hello everybody |
| 03:38.30 | gravspeed | so i'm trying to get my logitech gamepad to work in debian (to be used in pygame) |
| 03:38.55 | gravspeed | but jscal and jstest tell me jstest: error reading: Invalid argument |
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| 03:39.55 | gravspeed | in all of the documentation everyone shows the gamepads/joysticks as /dev/input/js0 (or similar) |
| 03:40.11 | gravspeed | my gamepad shows up as /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_Logitech_Dual_Action_A149AD7C-event-joystick |
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| 03:48.12 | gravspeed | reading this i think i am missing the adi module... not sure how to install it |
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| 03:57.01 | Penix | gravspeed: modprobe adi |
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| 03:58.36 | gravspeed | FATAL: Module adi not found |
| 03:59.07 | gravspeed | and looking through module-assistant i don't see adi to select.... |
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| 04:00.57 | gravspeed | down at the bottom of the article i found earlier i just noticed there is actually a section for my controller... says i can use xboxdrv... trying that now |
| 04:01.33 | gravspeed | oh yea, this is on an intel galileo, so it makes thinigs interesting/slower than normal |
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| 04:03.34 | gravspeed | goal is to have a ps3 control connected via bluetooth |
| 04:04.06 | gravspeed | bluetooth module will be in later this week, playing with what i have now |
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| 04:06.48 | gravspeed | xboxdrv needs uinput |
| 04:07.14 | gravspeed | also a module i don't list... how do i install a module that m-a doesn't show me? |
| 04:07.29 | rolleiflex | hi there, I'm trying to package my app for ubuntu & debian |
| 04:07.42 | rolleiflex | where does the binaries go, /bin/ ? |
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| 04:10.41 | cynicallemon | rolleiflex: so why havent you read the packagers guides? |
| 04:11.27 | rolleiflex | cynicallemon: because they don't have it? |
| 04:11.34 | rolleiflex | I am not asking how to package my app |
| 04:11.41 | rolleiflex | I am asking where should I put my app's binaries |
| 04:12.17 | vook | rolleiflex: /usr/local/bin |
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| 04:12.49 | rolleiflex | vook: that's it, thanks |
| 04:13.12 | TheRelic | is it possible for me to rent a vps server from lets say digi ocean, install all the required software and run a remote desktop i can rdc to from windows? |
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| 04:13.31 | vook | yes |
| 04:13.33 | gravspeed | therelic: yes, i have done that |
| 04:13.51 | gravspeed | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xrdp.org%2F&ei=d5UGVLOWEqnuiQKp9IDYBw&usg=AFQjCNE3hzWVCjaWeDg5v8Gy67YIDytxlQ&sig2=rhqmFh-SoUbZDn8zfKf0KA&bvm=bv.74115972,d.cGE |
| 04:13.59 | gravspeed | crap, sorry |
| 04:14.00 | gravspeed | http://www.xrdp.org/ |
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| 04:15.16 | gravspeed | i have never had to manually add kernel modules though... can anyone point me to a good walkthrough? |
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| 05:13.52 | jj995 | I'm just trying to make an easy upgrade path |
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| 05:20.10 | shay_shay | nkuttler: ok ty, i was just kidding anyways. sorry i know this is a support channel |
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| 05:36.10 | Zipf | <-- newbie user here. Hi, running frsh install of debian wheezy, installed ssh-server via apt-get. I can connect to linux box via lan ip using putty on windows fine. but when i try connect from another ip, a wan ip, i get connection time out. Debian is on a network, gettin designed ip from airport extreme |
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| 05:36.55 | gravspeed | connecting from the wan you will have to configure a port forward on your airport |
| 05:37.18 | Zipf | ahh, didn't knew about that |
| 05:38.05 | Zipf | lemme try it asap |
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| 05:45.59 | Zipf | gravspeed, are u still around ? |
| 05:46.06 | gravspeed | i am |
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| 05:46.54 | Zipf | so, i fowarded port 22 to ip 10.0.1.4 (debian box ip) and still gettin connection time out from outside. connecting from lan still working fine |
| 05:47.10 | Zipf | maybe its good use a diferent port from the default one ? |
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| 05:47.20 | gravspeed | are you also connecting from inside the same network? |
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| 05:47.32 | Zipf | yes |
| 05:47.40 | gravspeed | a lot of routers do not support connecting to an external address internally |
| 05:47.50 | gravspeed | try it from your cellphone |
| 05:48.20 | gravspeed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.05 | gravspeed | ie. you can only forward external port 22 once, so if you wanted to have two devices available to the outside world on one ip you would have to use 22 and 2222 for example |
| 05:49.22 | Zipf | hummm |
| 05:49.39 | Zipf | well, i have a windows box on the same network, but using diferent lan ip tho |
| 05:50.02 | gravspeed | but do you plan on installingf ssh on it and forwarding it to the outside world| |
| 05:50.05 | gravspeed | ? |
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| 05:50.30 | Zipf | no, i just wanna be able to connect to debian via ssh from my work for example |
| 05:51.02 | gravspeed | right, so forward your external port 22 to internal port 22 on the local ip of your debian box |
| 05:51.36 | gravspeed | then try and connect from another network, maybe if you have a vpn on your windows box to your office it might work. |
| 05:51.52 | gravspeed | or if you have an android i use juicessh with good sucess |
| 05:51.54 | Zipf | ok will brb, since i'll get disconnected due airport restart |
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| 06:01.23 | RoBo_V | gravspeed: Juice SSH is awsome, so in love with it |
| 06:02.02 | gravspeed | typing long commands on a touchscreen is my own personal hell, but it works very well |
| 06:02.53 | gravspeed | my must have android apps... wifi analyzer, fing, juicessh, es file explorer |
| 06:04.00 | gravspeed | so did our friend zipf just brick his airport? |
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| 06:04.11 | gravspeed | shouldn't have taken him that long... |
| 06:04.28 | RoBo_V | fing what that for ? |
| 06:04.39 | gravspeed | it's a network scanner |
| 06:05.23 | gravspeed | connect to wifi and it will tell you all about everything else on the network, hostname, ip, mac, running services, etc |
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| 06:06.03 | mms_ | I have pid for process and what to know what ports is opened ? |
| 06:06.14 | gravspeed | i use the windows version of fing a lot to get a quick overview of a network before i go making any changes |
| 06:06.24 | RoBo_V | I see |
| 06:06.29 | gravspeed | mms_, run that by me again? |
| 06:06.37 | mms_ | I have pid for process and want to know what ports is opened ? |
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| 06:06.45 | mms_ | I have pid for process and want to know what ports is opened / listening |
| 06:07.19 | gravspeed | the mobile v ersion is great for a quick demonstration when i set up protected vs public wifi networks (i love vlans) |
| 06:07.59 | RoBo_V | gravspeed: checking out 'fing' |
| 06:08.21 | gravspeed | netstat -an | grep PORTNUMBER |
| 06:08.32 | mms_ | gravspeed: what man I do not know port number |
| 06:08.46 | gravspeed | to see if the service you are looking for is listening |
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| 06:09.26 | heurist | mms_: netstat -anp | grep process-name |
| 06:09.27 | gravspeed | in windows it would be netstat -aon | find "PID" |
| 06:10.17 | heurist | mms_: or just netstat -anp | less and then look around in it. |
| 06:10.19 | mms_ | no man on linux does not give me my result |
| 06:10.22 | gravspeed | heurist is quic with the response there... |
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| 06:10.45 | mms_ | ok that gives me |
| 06:11.31 | RoBo_V | gravspeed: I see it is displaying all the devices conected to that n/w, nice |
| 06:11.36 | RoBo_V | what more fing can do ? |
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| 06:11.51 | gravspeed | have a look at the devices and it will do port scans |
| 06:12.11 | gravspeed | if you have an app that can connect to that service you can launch it from there |
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| 06:21.49 | Zipf | gravspeed, just to say thank you very much. I've changed to port 2222 and it worked perpect from wan connection |
| 06:21.54 | Zipf | ty again ! |
| 06:22.36 | gravspeed | no worries, if your router is trying to answer on port 22 (not sure if airports do this) then that may have been necessary |
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| 07:16.40 | mms_ | I am on amazon cloud vm |
| 07:17.11 | mms_ | I as such when login / ssh to the vm i use key.....but for using gerrit command it gives me error Permission denied (publickey). |
| 07:17.30 | mms_ | when I try ssh -p 29418 ip-172-31-12-214 gerrit ls-projects |
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| 07:18.18 | mms_ | from my desktop I connect to aws vm using ssh -i /cygdrive/d/work/mhood-services/pem/aws.pem ubuntu@54.84.82.27 |
| 07:18.26 | mms_ | that goes fine |
| 07:18.38 | mms_ | but after login when I try to connect to gerrit I get error |
| 07:18.42 | mms_ | any idea ? |
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| 07:18.50 | heurist | !enter |
| 07:18.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 07:20.20 | Kirito | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6291419 Is it not possible to install VirtualBox using a more recent custom compiled kernel? |
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| 07:20.39 | Kirito | Even when installing via backports, it still installs the older (bugged) version of virtualbox-dkms |
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| 07:21.01 | Kirito | https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/11664 |
| 07:21.05 | Kirito | This bug, in particular |
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| 07:21.13 | Kirito | Which results in the installation always failing |
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| 07:21.37 | Kirito | Notice the version "Loading new virtualbox-4.1.18" |
| 07:21.41 | heurist | !enter |
| 07:21.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 07:22.46 | heurist | Kirito: are you trying to install virtualbox 4.1.18 from stable with dkms from backports? |
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| 07:23.18 | Kirito | heurist, I'm trying to install virtualbox from backports and it's trying to install virtualbox-dkms from stable |
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| 07:24.12 | heurist | Kirito: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox says what? |
| 07:24.39 | Kirito | virtualbox is already the newest version. |
| 07:25.08 | heurist | Kirito: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox-dkms |
| 07:25.29 | Kirito | virtualbox-dkms is already the newest version. |
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| 07:26.17 | heurist | Kirito: just making sure: you do have backports enabled, right? |
| 07:27.01 | Kirito | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6291487 --- Yes |
| 07:27.37 | heurist | ,v virtualbox |
| 07:27.38 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1 |
| 07:28.37 | heurist | Kirito: you only have main from backports virtuabox is in contrib, add contrib to the and of that line after main |
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| 07:32.00 | Kirito | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6291504 --- ah, brilliant, and it works. Thank you very much! |
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| 07:52.51 | jiku | hi.. |
| 07:53.13 | jiku | does squeeze still gets security updates and fixes? |
| 07:53.34 | heurist | !lts |
| 07:53.34 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:09.04 | jiku | heurist, thank you.. makes sense.. i hope wheezy will also have a LTS period |
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| 08:09.26 | chomwitt | after adding tha backports in my sources.list should i see the new version in the aptitude after update? |
| 08:09.31 | chomwitt | shouldnt |
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| 08:09.53 | heurist | ,v aptitude |
| 08:09.54 | judd | Package: aptitude on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.6.8.2-1; sid: 0.6.11-1; jessie: 0.6.11-1 |
| 08:10.09 | heurist | chomwitt: there is no backport version of aptitude, so no. |
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| 08:11.04 | chomwitt | heurist: misunderstood. i mean in aptitude should i see libreoofice 4 along the libreoofice 3.6 and choose to update or sth? |
| 08:11.14 | chomwitt | shouldnot :-) |
| 08:11.24 | heurist | chomwitt: but yes, you should see lots of new packages. |
| 08:11.41 | chomwitt | heurist: i dont :-/ |
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| 08:11.58 | moth | Hi. I found a package, vim-nox, that has vim compiled with ruby, python and Tcl support. Is there a good way to have also lua support? |
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| 08:13.13 | chomwitt | i see only one new package of libreoffice. its like the installed ones dont let the new versions to appear |
| 08:13.15 | heurist | moth: that represents the ability to ruby, python, and tcl internally in vim. it can edit lua |
| 08:13.53 | moth | heurist: thanks. |
| 08:14.15 | heurist | chomwitt: what does aptitude versions ^libreoffice say? use a pastebin. |
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| 08:18.40 | chomwitt | heurist: http://paste.debian.net/119090/ |
| 08:19.10 | heurist | chomwitt: chomwitt looks good. does apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libreoffice not work? |
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| 08:19.57 | heurist | chomwitt: backports do not automatically install, but will update once installed with the -t option. |
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| 08:22.45 | chomwitt | heurist: apt-get seems ok. |
| 08:22.51 | chomwitt | heurist: thanks! |
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| 08:23.31 | chomwitt | heurist: so its not a problem that aptitude wont show the backport debs or its a bug? |
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| 08:24.08 | fps | ok, going the 'normal' debian packaging route |
| 08:24.33 | heurist | chomwitt: if you go into the aptitude UI you can hit enter on the package and see all the versions available at the bottom of the list, you can then hit + on any version you want. |
| 08:24.41 | fps | and it seems the toolchain isn't quite as horrible as i remember it from my first attempts a few years back |
| 08:24.46 | fps | [scnr] |
| 08:24.50 | fps | [please ignore] |
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| 08:27.58 | gribouille | hi |
| 08:28.59 | gribouille | I did two debian installs (wheezy and jessie) and both times, the installation of GRUB failed. is it normal? |
| 08:29.30 | babilen | gribouille: It isn't |
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| 08:29.47 | gribouille | babilen, but does it happen often? |
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| 08:30.13 | babilen | gribouille: There is no way for me to answer that question as Debian does not collect that information. |
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| 08:31.12 | gribouille | babilen, but is such a problem often mentionned on forums? |
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| 08:32.01 | fps | actually it seems to be quite straightforward to make a debian package from a source tarball |
| 08:32.22 | babilen | gribouille: I haven't checked all forums. It *does* happen every now and then and it can be debugged, but it is far from being "normal". |
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| 08:33.06 | SWAT | is there a way to get a device into a different/seperate IOMMU group? I want to attach my seperate USB3 PCIe controller to a VM (using VFIO) |
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| 08:33.29 | gribouille | babilen, ok |
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| 08:34.07 | babilen | gribouille: Would you like help with your actual problems or were you simply interested in answers to your earlier questions? |
| 08:34.27 | fps | longone2 |
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| 08:34.56 | gribouille | babilen, I could solve the problem by myself; I just wantd to know if it was a common issue |
| 08:35.02 | chomwitt | heurist: u r rigth |
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| 08:35.06 | chomwitt | thank heurist |
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| 08:35.33 | babilen | gribouille: Which image do you use for the installation and from what kind of media do you install? |
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| 08:36.20 | gerty_ | hi, i've been following the debate on systemd in debian-users and i'm just curious about inner workings of debian politics. so to overturn the decision by technical committee, one needs a general resolution with 2:1 majority. how does it exactly work? |
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| 08:36.44 | babilen | gerty_: https://www.debian.org/vote/howto_proposal |
| 08:36.45 | linwiz | Hello. Just updated to jessie, I have apache2 set up from before the upgrade, but now the the site index shows empty, but /var/www is not empty. has this moved? it still shows in the apache2.conf |
| 08:37.02 | gribouille | babilen I used debian-7.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso and debian-jessie-DI-a1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso. I installed both from an USB stick |
| 08:37.29 | gerty_ | babilen: thanks, wouldn't have found that by myself |
| 08:38.23 | babilen | gribouille: How did you write the image to your USB stick? |
| 08:39.21 | gribouille | babilen, for jessie, I used unetbootin under Ubuntu and for wheezy, I used cp |
| 08:40.05 | babilen | gribouille: And therein lies your mistake. unetbootin is breaks our software and it is indeed very common for grub installations to fail if you used unetbootin to write the image to USB |
| 08:40.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell gribouille -about unetbootin |
| 08:40.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell gribouille -about usb install |
| 08:41.16 | babilen | gribouille: You also have to make sure to run "sync" after you completed writing it with cp. Not sure what caused the issue in that case and we would require error output on tty4 to debug it. |
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| 08:42.20 | gribouille | babilen, are install logs stored somewhere? |
| 08:42.54 | babilen | gribouille: /var/log/installer |
| 08:43.19 | cynicallemon | gribouille: /var/log |
| 08:43.27 | t3ngu | hello, not sure if this is the right place to bug |
| 08:43.30 | fps | so, our package builds fine on e.g. ubuntu 12.04 and ubuntu 14.04 but the specific packages for libprotobuf and boost libraries are different.. |
| 08:43.53 | t3ngu | but , for a zfs lib failure to load in Kfreebsd debian 7 is this the place to ask if anyone has seen this before? |
| 08:43.54 | t3ngu | :) |
| 08:44.17 | babilen | gribouille: And uyou would want /var/log/installer/syslog specifically |
| 08:44.23 | t3ngu |  internal error: failed to initialize zfs library the actual error. |
| 08:44.29 | fps | and libprotobuf7 is a different package than libprotobuf8. so is there a way to specify in the debian/control file that the dependency can be satisfied by either? |
| 08:45.44 | babilen | fps: There is, just use "libfoo1 | libfoo2" in your Depends. Please note that this channel does not support Ubuntu packaging (you would want #ubuntu-packaging for that, surprise!) and that #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is the channel you are looking for if you package for Debian |
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| 08:47.14 | gribouille | babilen, I installed debian on a LVM volume and debian offered to install GRUB on /dev/mapper |
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| 08:48.28 | babilen | gribouille: You would typically install grub on a disk (e.g. /dev/sda or /dev/sdb) rather than a LVM LV (but then /dev/mapper would be wrong too) |
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| 08:48.41 | babilen | (and, in particular, the disk you boot from) |
| 08:49.52 | fps | babilen: ok.. that "alternatives operator" does help. thanks a bunch |
| 08:50.06 | fps | and the point about using the debian toolchain for a different distribution is noted |
| 08:50.31 | gribouille | babilen, then I asked debian to install grub on /dev/sdb, but it failed |
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| 08:51.29 | gribouille | but I may have done something wrong |
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| 08:53.45 | babilen | fps: It is not so much the toolchain that differs (which might also be the case) as the fact that this channel *only* supports pure Debian *and* that there are better channels to discuss packaging related problems anyway. So, depending on the distribution you package for, I'd recommend to join either #ubuntu-packaging or #debian-mentors. There is also #debian-ubuntu if you cannot decide and want to discuss issues that concern both distributions. ... |
| 08:53.51 | babilen | ... The latter two channels are on irc.oftc.net with the rest of the official Debian channels. |
| 08:54.10 | gribouille | does hal exist on jessie? |
| 08:54.38 | babilen | hal has been dead for quite some time |
| 08:54.49 | babilen | judd: v hal |
| 08:54.50 | judd | Package: hal on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.14-3; wheezy: 0.5.14-8 |
| 08:55.32 | gribouille | babilen, but is it replaced by something else? |
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| 08:56.30 | babilen | gribouille: udev is probably what you are looking for |
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| 08:57.09 | babilen | Seriously, nobody uses hal anymore. Why do you care? |
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| 08:57.23 | mroman_ | I could need some help getting my audio working. |
| 08:57.56 | mroman_ | /proc/asound/cards recognises two cards |
| 08:57.58 | babilen | mroman_: Is it drinking Gin and Tonic on the couch again? |
| 08:58.06 | mroman_ | HDA-Intel and HDA Intel PCH |
| 08:58.18 | gribouille | babilen, on Ubuntu 12.10, flash player needed hal to display some videos (a DRM issue I think) |
| 08:58.27 | mroman_ | but aplay can't play anything |
| 08:58.32 | mroman_ | (neither can mplayer) |
| 08:58.41 | mroman_ | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 08:58.44 | babilen | mroman_: And you tried both cards with aplay? |
| 08:58.55 | mroman_ | no. I just typed "aplay" |
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| 08:59.53 | babilen | mroman_: Take a look at "man speaker-test" and run it for all applicable devices listed by "aplay -L" (as detailed in the manpage). I'd recommend to pass the "-t wav" option. |
| 09:00.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell mroman_ about alsa checklist |
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| 09:00.42 | ShalokShalom | hi there :) |
| 09:00.57 | ShalokShalom | what is the recommended way to opn a root dolphin please ? |
| 09:01.02 | ShalokShalom | open |
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| 09:01.41 | themill | ShalokShalom: the recommended approach is not to do so. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:02.10 | ShalokShalom | -.- |
| 09:02.23 | ShalokShalom | because i want to copy a file |
| 09:02.31 | ShalokShalom | each distro can do it, why debian not ? |
| 09:02.37 | ShalokShalom | where is the freedom |
| 09:02.48 | themill | It's not that you can't, it's just that it's silly to do so. |
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| 09:03.00 | ShalokShalom | ok, i want to be sily,please |
| 09:03.02 | ShalokShalom | silly |
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| 09:03.50 | ShalokShalom | no sudo by default, dophin dont work in su, cannot log in as root.. |
| 09:04.27 | mroman_ | well. Noise.wav doesn't work for root |
| 09:04.34 | mroman_ | I'm member of audio |
| 09:04.57 | themill | ShalokShalom: you can install sudo if you want. If you want to use graphical tools, you'd use gksudo or kdesu instead of just sudo, however. |
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| 09:05.06 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 09:05.13 | mroman_ | Card 0 has no controls in alsamixer |
| 09:05.15 | mroman_ | but Card 1 does |
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| 09:05.22 | babilen | mroman_: So, paste the output of "aplay -L" and the corresponding calls to speaker-test and their output. |
| 09:05.23 | gribouille | how can I configure the system clock to use UTC? |
| 09:05.51 | babilen | mroman_: Sounds as if you either want to use pulseaudio and configure the default output sink or that you want to switch the alsa index |
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| 09:06.21 | mroman_ | http://codepad.org/0E3BYsdr <- that's aplay -L |
| 09:06.22 | ShalokShalom | themill: matthias@debian:~$ kdesu dolphin Could not find the database of available applications |
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| 09:06.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell mroman_ -about alsa default |
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| 09:06.49 | mroman_ | speaker-test so far always gives me: |
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| 09:06.54 | mroman_ | Channels count (6) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument |
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| 09:08.38 | ShalokShalom | run update-command-not-found as root now |
| 09:08.46 | fps | babilen: ok. thanks for the clarification and the pointers to more relevant channels.. |
| 09:10.16 | babilen | mroman_: In case it wasn't explicit: http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards is the article you want to read and follow. There is also #alsa as a specific channel, but I think that trying something like "speaker-test -t wav -Ddefault:PCH" (and variations thereof) would be worth a try. |
| 09:10.38 | jelly | ShalokShalom: which debian release is that supposed to be |
| 09:11.23 | mroman_ | babilen: default:PCH works |
| 09:11.28 | mroman_ | well it does something at least |
| 09:11.31 | mroman_ | it doesn't play sound |
| 09:11.48 | mroman_ | Time per period = 2.835215 0 - Front Left |
| 09:11.50 | mroman_ | and such |
| 09:11.55 | ShalokShalom | jelly: testing |
| 09:11.56 | babilen | mroman_: When you say "speaker-test so far always gives me" are you meaning that you simply called "speaker-test" (without any options) or do you mean "yes, I did as you asked me to and tried variations for all devices listed in 'aplay -L' and it doesn't matter if I use -Ddefault:PCH or -Dsysdefault:PCH, ... as they *all* come back with .." ? |
| 09:12.02 | ShalokShalom | kdesu is called kdesudo here |
| 09:12.07 | ShalokShalom | thanks, i am in :) |
| 09:12.14 | babilen | mroman_: So you didn't test the way I asked you to test? |
| 09:12.22 | mroman_ | what? |
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| 09:12.43 | mroman_ | -Dsurround40:PCH gives Channels count (1) not available |
| 09:12.49 | babilen | mroman_: I asked you to read "man speaker-test" and then try the different devices listed in "aplay -L" as detailed in the manpage. |
| 09:12.51 | mroman_ | as do the other surround**:PCH |
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| 09:13.29 | babilen | mroman_: Okay, let that continue playing. Could you check the volume levels and mute/unmuted status in "alsamixer" (switch devices with F6) |
| 09:13.40 | babilen | (that == default:PCH |
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| 09:14.07 | mroman_ | oh |
| 09:14.09 | mroman_ | k. I have sound now |
| 09:14.14 | aborrero | hi there |
| 09:14.16 | mroman_ | from speaker-test |
| 09:14.24 | heurist | gribouille: change LOCAL to UTC in /etc/adjtime |
| 09:14.28 | mroman_ | with default:PCH, yes |
| 09:14.36 | babilen | Good |
| 09:14.37 | aborrero | Where could I fetch the code behind lintian.d.o ? |
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| 09:15.01 | gribouille | heurist, ok |
| 09:15.06 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Which distribution are you using? |
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| 09:15.36 | gribouille | how can I know an change the time zone? |
| 09:15.38 | mroman_ | still no sound from mplayer and any other program though |
| 09:15.39 | ShalokShalom | debian jessy |
| 09:15.45 | ShalokShalom | all is fine now |
| 09:15.57 | mroman_ | AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused |
| 09:15.58 | mroman_ | Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse' |
| 09:16.01 | mroman_ | ^- mplayer |
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| 09:16.23 | babilen | mroman_: Yes, I am aware of that. You can either use pulseaudio or follow the instructions on http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards (as mentioned earlier) |
| 09:16.24 | mroman_ | Is that the pulseaudio daemon screwing things up? |
| 09:16.54 | babilen | You are not using pulseaudio (at least it is not running, for whatever reason) |
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| 09:17.32 | babilen | gribouille: "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 09:18.27 | ShalokShalom | the root color scheme seems to use the same like the user, except the background of the file dialog boxes.. |
| 09:18.40 | ShalokShalom | how can i set the root color scheme please ? |
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| 09:19.06 | mroman_ | so my default:PCH is sndcard-1? |
| 09:19.11 | mroman_ | becaus aplay -L lists null first? |
| 09:19.16 | mroman_ | which means null is sndcard-0? |
| 09:19.51 | mroman_ | which suggests that I should switch install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0 with snd-card-1 |
| 09:19.59 | mroman_ | in the alsa-base.conf |
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| 09:20.27 | babilen | I would rather recommend to write a suitable ~/.asoundrc |
| 09:20.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell mroman_ -about enter |
| 09:20.54 | cynicallemon | ShalokShalom: you mean the command prompt for root? |
| 09:20.57 | babilen | mroman_: But then my actual recommendation would be to use pulseaudio rather than pure ALSA |
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| 09:21.12 | ShalokShalom | ah yeah that a good idea |
| 09:21.47 | ShalokShalom | done, thanks a lot :D |
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| 09:22.24 | babilen | interesting :-/ |
| 09:22.31 | ShalokShalom | hnn, dont take a effect |
| 09:23.06 | babilen | ShalokShalom: What are you talking about? You have been asked a question and your reply "ah yeah that a good idea" makes no sense at all. |
| 09:23.32 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 09:23.46 | ShalokShalom | i open kdesudo systemsettings and change the colors, which takes no effect |
| 09:24.02 | ShalokShalom | seems to be broken |
| 09:24.03 | mroman_ | yep. It works after I installed pulseaudio. |
| 09:24.15 | sonOfRa | Is there a way to find out which compiler version was used to compile packages installed on my system? |
| 09:24.47 | ShalokShalom | root use the same colour scheme than the user, except some text background, which makes the text unreadable |
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| 09:24.53 | mroman_ | Now I just need get printing to work. |
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| 09:26.08 | babilen | mroman_: Good. The *other* way to make it work would have been to force alsa into using the other card as "index 0" or to tell every single application to use the second one as output (just like we told speaker-test) -- I consider using pulseaudio a better solution though as it will also allow applications to use the same card at the same time and other things. Look into pavucontrol for a way to set per-application and per-input/output volume ... |
| 09:26.14 | babilen | ... settings. |
| 09:27.08 | Bluewolf | Hi, Can someone tell me why I can't delete files in Downloads/Documents etc simply by pressing the delete key when their selected. I have to manually select them, right click and Move to Trash? |
| 09:27.18 | ShalokShalom | fixed |
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| 09:27.30 | ShalokShalom | i reload the colors in both user and root, work now |
| 09:27.34 | ShalokShalom | thx |
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| 09:28.15 | babilen | ShalokShalom: It is not clear what you refer to when you say "root use the same colour scheme than the user" as "root" simply refers to the user. One might induce that you are referring to dolphin when started through "kdesudo", but that is mere conjecture. First: DO NOT USE DOLPHIN AS ROOT and second: You should be able to configure settings just like you would for your user. |
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| 09:33.05 | mroman_ | Shouldn't CUPS ask me for my smb credentials? |
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| 09:34.21 | gribouille | my hardware clock is in UTC (according to /etc/adjtime). does hwclock give the UTC time or the local time? |
| 09:34.42 | mroman_ | Or in other terms: Can I provide CUPS my smb credentials it should need to connect to smb-Printers? |
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| 09:35.12 | babilen | gribouille: It returns whatever the hardware clock is set to. |
| 09:36.11 | Iridos | gribouille, my hwclock tells that it's giving out CEST... also man hwclock, first function explains about --utc |
| 09:36.11 | jelly | mroman_: you can provide them on adding a specific smb:// printer, in smb://username:password@servername/printername format |
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| 09:37.31 | mroman_ | Ah. Thanks. Now "setpagedevice" is offending my printer. |
| 09:37.31 | heurist | gribouille: hwclock should give you correct time for you locale |
| 09:37.35 | jelly | mroman_: if you need to specify a domain, smb://DOMAIN%5Fusername:password@servername/... |
| 09:37.51 | jelly | offering? |
| 09:38.34 | gribouille | /sbin/hwclock --utc and /sbin/hwclock give the same time, although I use UTC and my time zone is Europe/Paris |
| 09:38.48 | mroman_ | No. It's offending my printer. Which looks like a driver issue. |
| 09:39.13 | OpenTokix | gribouille: Did you set your hwclock to utc maybe? =) |
| 09:39.31 | gribouille | OpenTokix, what do you mean? |
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| 09:39.53 | gribouille | /etc/adjtime contains UTC |
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| 09:40.06 | heurist | gribouille: are the times from hwclock and date not correct? what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 09:40.15 | OpenTokix | gribouille: hwclock is your hardware clock in the computer. - Your timezone configuration etc. - is in your os |
| 09:40.26 | gribouille | OpenTokix, I know that |
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| 09:44.05 | gribouille | ok, everything is clear now |
| 09:45.21 | babilen | gribouille: Care to enlighten us? |
| 09:45.42 | Iridos | gribouille, that's because your hwclock is in utc... --utc just specifies that the date saved there is in utc, but /sbin/hwclock always shows the time in your local time (if you use --localtime, hwclock will assume that the clock setting in the clock is saved in local time) |
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| 09:49.17 | gribouille | Iridos, Iridos that's what I just read |
| 09:49.47 | Iridos | babilen, are you also enlightened now? |
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| 09:50.44 | gribouille | at first I thought that just typing "hwclock" would give the time that is stored in the hardware clock without modification |
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| 09:51.33 | gribouille | I didn't know that hwclock always gives the local time |
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| 09:54.26 | Iridos | that'd have been too obvious |
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| 09:57.41 | gribouille | under wheezy, what is the command to restart the network? I tried "service networking restart", but it didn't work |
| 09:58.23 | babilen | gribouille: What are you really trying to do? And what do you mean exactly by "it didn't work" ? How do you configure your network? |
| 09:58.58 | gribouille | babilen, modify /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:03.52 | babilen | gribouille: You would use a text editor for that and then either use "ifdown $IFACE ; ifup $IFACE" for the interface you modified or run "service networking restart" (which runs "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" (so it only brings up the interfaces with "auto $IFACE")) |
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| 10:04.08 | babilen | gribouille: Please elaborate on the "didn't work" part. |
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| 10:04.49 | gribouille | babilen, I didn't keep the error message, but the new configuration wasn't used |
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| 10:05.33 | ech0s7 | i have this problem: i have a daemon script that play audio (with aplay) every 5second. If i run this script from shell works perfectly. But if i launch it at boot (from /etc/rc.local) with same user, i don't hear audio. I have noticed only one difference with "ps aux", that when i launch from shell process have a TTY dedicated, instead from launching at boot from rc.local haven't a TTY. Why i don't hear audio when i launch at boot ?? |
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| 10:07.05 | RoBo_V | Guys what is this .fude_hidden file in my samba shared folder, can't delete it |
| 10:07.06 | babilen | gribouille: You could try it again? |
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| 10:10.36 | LADQ | hi every body |
| 10:10.48 | gribouille | babilen, I type "service networking restart" |
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| 10:11.11 | gribouille | babilen, I get the following message : [warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 10:11.12 | LADQ | I have a problem with phpmzadmin |
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| 10:11.42 | babilen | gribouille: Yes, that doesn't mean that the settings haven't been applied. It is deprecated due to the reasons I've elaborated on above. |
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| 10:12.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell gribouille -about mdblows |
| 10:12.16 | gribouille | babilen, It then prints "[....] Reconfiguring network interfaces..." and hangs |
| 10:12.20 | LADQ | i try to change the config in the /var/lib/phpmyadminconfig.inc.php but nothing happen |
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| 10:12.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell LADQ -about phpmyadmin |
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| 10:13.06 | gribouille | babilen, no way to reconnect to my sever |
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| 10:13.27 | babilen | gribouille: How so? |
| 10:14.04 | LADQ | i was use dpg |
| 10:14.08 | LADQ | dpkg |
| 10:15.10 | LADQ | i was add a liner to the config $cfg['Servers'][$i]['AllowDeny']['rules'] = array( |
| 10:15.10 | LADQ | 'deny root from all'); |
| 10:15.22 | LADQ | and is still can loggining with root |
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| 10:15.39 | babilen | LADQ: In case that wasn't obvious: I recommend to ask in #phpmyadmin rather than #debian about your phpmyadmin problem |
| 10:16.05 | jelly | they may not know about how debian split up phpmyadmin's files around |
| 10:16.12 | LADQ | thx i try |
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| 10:16.39 | babilen | jelly: That might be the case, yeah :-/ |
| 10:16.45 | jelly | LADQ: see if there's Debian-specific README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ and read it |
| 10:17.06 | LADQ | i was didd :( |
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| 10:21.52 | userings | What DE is this: http://kernel-project.kickino.org/pics/config/xconfig(1).jpg ? |
| 10:22.55 | cynicallemon | userings: something like fvwm |
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| 10:24.29 | babilen | Looks like fvwm2 (at least it is ugly enough) |
| 10:24.37 | gribouille | I've just installed ntp. what do I have to do to set the date automatically? |
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| 10:24.44 | userings | Thanks. |
| 10:24.59 | chb | that's windowmaker - great WM |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | gribouille: Nothing, that should take care of it. |
| 10:25.15 | chb | (if that is the topic :) ) |
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| 10:26.14 | gribouille | babilen, is the time set at boot time? |
| 10:27.25 | babilen | gribouille: It should be set gradually. Is is that far off? |
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| 10:28.32 | gribouille | babilen, 16 seconds |
| 10:31.11 | BotaniCar | gribouille: it's a virtual machine ? |
| 10:31.32 | gribouille | BotaniCar, no |
| 10:32.08 | babilen | gribouille: You can stop ntp, then run "ntpd -gq" manually and then start ntp again. |
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| 10:32.53 | heurist | gribouille: you can also install ntpdate which does a single big step time correction when the interface comes up, then hands over to ntpd |
| 10:35.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell heurist about ntpdate |
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| 10:35.52 | gribouille | after typing "sudo service ntp stop", I type "sudo /usr/sbin/ntpd -gq", but it hangs |
| 10:36.08 | heurist | babilen: cool, so no more ntpdate. |
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| 10:39.47 | gribouille | is it normal that "sudo /usr/sbin/ntpd -gq" hangs? |
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| 10:42.40 | BotaniCar | gribouille: it could hang for quite a while if it has DNS resolving issues |
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| 10:43.46 | gribouille | BotaniCar, is there a way to know what it is ddoing? |
| 10:43.52 | babilen | gribouille: It shouldn't, but does so if you have problems contacting the NTP servers you specified in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 10:44.39 | gribouille | the servers are 0.debian.pool.ntp.org, etc |
| 10:44.48 | babilen | gribouille: You could install ntpdate and run "ntpdate $SERVER" manually to check that or try different servers. How do you connect to the internet on that system? Is it firewalled? |
| 10:44.49 | BotaniCar | gribouille: you can add a "-d" switch to previous command to get debugging output |
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| 10:45.16 | ChrisH | -d does also no change to the system. |
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| 10:46.28 | gribouille | /usr/sbin/ntpd: The 'debug-level' option has been disabled. -- this package was built using 'configure --disable--debug' |
| 10:46.29 | babilen | gribouille: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/TroubleshootingNTP might be of interest to you, but then answering my questions might provide initial clues too. |
| 10:46.45 | BotaniCar | gribouille: what does "ntpdate 0.centos.pool.ntp.org" do? Does it hang/give any errors ( sorry for centos pool, i have no debian installations handy) |
| 10:46.47 | babilen | Ah well, better things to do than digging for details |
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| 10:48.05 | gribouille | BotaniCar, no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 10:48.12 | babilen | 0.pool.ntp.org should work too (or use one of the many geographical subdivisions such as 0.europe.pool.ntp.org) |
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| 10:48.28 | babilen | gribouille: So, back to my earlier questions ... |
| 10:49.02 | gribouille | babilen, there is no DNS problem |
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| 10:49.10 | babilen | I did not ask about DNS at all |
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| 10:49.19 | gribouille | babilen, someone did |
| 10:49.36 | babilen | Well, I didn't. :) |
| 10:50.02 | gribouille | babilen, so what could the problem be? firewall? |
| 10:50.06 | babilen | I am specifically referring to "How do you connect to the internet on that system? Is it firewalled?" and maybe the bit before that. |
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| 10:51.20 | gribouille | babilen, I connect with a modem. I use a firewall to prevent incoming connections |
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| 10:53.13 | babilen | gribouille: Ah, that would explain it. Please refer to http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/TroubleshootingNTP#Section_9.8. and make sure to allow outgoing and incoming traffic on UDP port 123. If you are using iptables you want to include something like "iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport ntp -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport ntp -j ACCEPT" |
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| 10:54.02 | gribouille | babilen, the same as for DNS? |
| 10:54.12 | gribouille | but with a different port |
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| 10:54.59 | babilen | gribouille: I have no means to check your current iptables configuration. |
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| 10:59.05 | gribouille | why do I need to accept incoming connections to use ntp? |
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| 11:00.02 | babilen | gribouille: You don't |
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| 11:01.26 | babilen | But you should accept related incoming traffic. |
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| 11:05.08 | babilen | gribouille: "ntpd requires full bidirectional access to the privileged UDP port 123" (quoted from the webpage I linked earlier which you obviously read already, http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/TroubleshootingNTP#Section_9.8. ) |
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| 11:08.13 | heurist | gribouille: if you are concerned about outgoing firewall you can try a simple test, something like: nc -vzu 0.pool.ntp.org 123 should say succeeded. or nmap -sU -p 123 0.pool.ntp.org if you have nmap installed. |
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| 11:15.33 | gribouille | ok, it seems to work |
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| 11:27.18 | dubtech | hi, i'm in need of ruby2 on a wheezy-server. what's the best way to do this? |
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| 11:35.32 | heurist | ssb |
| 11:35.58 | heurist | !tell dubtech -about ssb |
| 11:36.04 | heurist | ,checkbackport ruby |
| 11:36.05 | judd | Backporting package ruby in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 11:39.17 | jelly | ,v ruby2.0 |
| 11:39.18 | judd | No package named 'ruby2.0' was found in i386. |
| 11:39.20 | jelly | ,v ruby2.1 |
| 11:39.21 | judd | Package: ruby2.1 on i386 -- sid: 2.1.2-3; jessie: 2.1.2-3 |
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| 11:42.22 | dubtech | heurist, jelly: ty |
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| 11:43.08 | jelly | dubtech: it's not very likely you'll be able to easily backport ruby2.1 |
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| 11:44.36 | heurist | ,v ruby |
| 11:44.37 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- squeeze: 4.5; wheezy: 1:1.9.3; sid: 1:2.1.0.4; jessie: 1:2.1.0.4 |
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| 11:45.10 | dubtech | jelly: i'm not quite sure if simply running that machine on jessie/testing isn't lesser pain. |
| 11:45.20 | twisted` | hey, I have this massive file where I want to remove the first line... I want to prevent opening it in an editor and have it swap out like crazy... also outputting it to another file I want to prevent. Any ideas? |
| 11:45.29 | heurist | jelly: jessie has 2.1.0.4 checkbackports says it should work |
| 11:45.35 | m3tti | hi there anyone has any success with a ppc g5 with nvidia geforce 5200 and 3d accel to run gnome 3 on this machine? |
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| 11:46.33 | dubtech | twisted`: you can try vim with "-n" to disable creating a swapfile - not sure if that does the job for you. |
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| 11:47.16 | RoBo_V | Guys why im not getiing 192k audio with youtube-dl package ? only upto 128k uadio |
| 11:47.19 | twisted` | dubtech: thanks, I just tried using tail +2 file >> file2 and it went pretty frigging fast |
| 11:47.21 | twisted` | didn't expect that |
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| 11:49.15 | jelly | heurist: what you're missing is the fact that "ruby" is just a metapackage |
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| 11:49.32 | heurist | jelly: probably |
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| 12:00.24 | tapout | my email is hosted by google, my hostname is ... domain.com ... any emails from the box to user@domain.com, get sent as 'local_user', how can i prevent this? |
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| 12:01.40 | rgr | tapout: hosted by google? |
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| 12:02.01 | tapout | yes, email is provided by google |
| 12:02.03 | tapout | google apps |
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| 12:02.31 | NattyTron | I am renting a VPS running debian wheezy (7.6). What's the easiest way to determine what init system it is using? |
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| 12:03.15 | heurist | NattyTron: ls -l /sbin/init |
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| 12:03.44 | NattyTron | heurist, It's just a file, no symlink. |
| 12:03.59 | heurist | NattyTron: dpkg -S /sbin/init |
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| 12:04.20 | NattyTron | heurist, Thank you! That works perfectly! |
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| 12:07.40 | tapout | anyone? |
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| 12:10.48 | osmo_SMS | tapout: remake your question, i don't get exaclty what you ask |
| 12:10.49 | LeMike | I would be lucky if get_post_meta would give me the data that has been stored like the int or string but not fetch the int and put it in a bloody array |
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| 12:11.32 | LeMike | wrong chat. sorry! |
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| 12:12.05 | tapout | my emails are being sent *locally*. |
| 12:12.14 | tapout | instead of being sent to the smtp |
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| 12:12.34 | tapout | tapout@domain.com, instead of going out to smtp, it says... tapout exists on the box, lets stuff the mail in Maildir |
| 12:12.44 | tapout | i'm using exim4 |
| 12:12.54 | heurist | !enter |
| 12:12.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:14.11 | petn-randall | tapout: That's because you configured exim4 to accept mails for domain.com. |
| 12:15.17 | heurist | tapout: run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and select smarthost |
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| 12:15.26 | KyokoDebian | :) |
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| 12:16.32 | tapout | i don't have a smarthost tho? |
| 12:16.43 | tapout | i want exim to send the damn email, not try and connect somewhere else |
| 12:16.44 | tapout | lol |
| 12:16.50 | tapout | without local delivery |
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| 12:19.06 | tapout | wow this is brutal |
| 12:19.15 | tapout | smarthost, no local, or smtp and local |
| 12:19.28 | tapout | postfix i guess. |
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| 12:22.27 | heurist | tapout: use google as your smarthost |
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| 12:23.15 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 12:23.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:25.41 | RoBo_V | guys im not getting 1080p video format in youtube-dl |
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| 12:27.08 | babilen | RoBo_V: Yes, that is frequently mentioned -- https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/issues/2165 (issue found with "youtube-dl 1080" on google) |
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| 12:28.34 | RoBo_V | guys im not getting 1080p video format in youtube-dl only as BASH but with 128k |
| 12:28.45 | RoBo_V | where 1080p youtube has 192k audio bit rate |
| 12:28.50 | babilen | RoBo_V: Did you actually read the bug report I just linked? |
| 12:28.52 | RoBo_V | babilen: yes already seen that |
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| 12:29.17 | babilen | So can you be more specific about your issue and how it pertains to Debian? |
| 12:29.37 | heurist | !tell RoBo_V -about multiple ask |
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| 12:30.34 | babilen | RoBo_V: Could you paste your exact command, its output and that of "apt-cache policy youtube-dl" to http://paste.debian.net please ? |
| 12:30.52 | rgr | hmm. gdm3 timedlogin not working. |
| 12:31.26 | RoBo_V | babilen: ok let me try |
| 12:32.21 | babilen | heurist: PM ok? |
| 12:32.30 | tapout | 2 second fix with postfix |
| 12:32.33 | heurist | babilen: ok |
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| 12:33.58 | RoBo_V | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/119134/ |
| 12:34.55 | babilen | RoBo_V: I don't quite understand, 1080 video is listed. |
| 12:35.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell RoBo_V -about raspbian |
| 12:35.25 | RoBo_V | babilen: im more concerned with 1080p audio which is 192k but they listed only 128k |
| 12:35.41 | babilen | RoBo_V: And you also want to seek support in #raspbian rather than #debian as we only support the latter here |
| 12:36.08 | t3ngu | 1080p audio? |
| 12:36.14 | RoBo_V | babilen: ok |
| 12:36.17 | t3ngu | 1080p is video resolution |
| 12:36.22 | t3ngu | just saying |
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| 12:36.36 | heurist | RoBo_V: I assume you have looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Quality_and_codecs |
| 12:37.39 | RoBo_V | t3ngu: 1080p audio quality bitrate i.e 192k |
| 12:38.04 | t3ngu | yes whatever |
| 12:38.47 | RoBo_V | heurist: whats in that, yo particular referring too ? |
| 12:39.04 | babilen | Please take it to #youtube-dl or #raspbian, ta! |
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| 12:40.25 | RoBo_V | babilen: oh yea youtube-dl better |
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| 13:14.11 | wallbroken | hi all |
| 13:14.17 | wallbroken | i'd like to test btrfs |
| 13:14.24 | wallbroken | it works well? |
| 13:14.34 | t3ngu | well it works |
| 13:14.41 | t3ngu | what is the definition for well? |
| 13:14.55 | wallbroken | doesn't give problem, fast |
| 13:15.07 | t3ngu | speed is relative |
| 13:15.15 | heurist | wallbroken: definitely not fast |
| 13:15.17 | t3ngu | problems lately less and less |
| 13:15.29 | t3ngu | i would not trust it for production though |
| 13:15.33 | t3ngu | for home use is ok |
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| 13:16.25 | wallbroken | 3.2.0-4 |
| 13:16.28 | wallbroken | this is my kernel |
| 13:16.56 | petn-randall | wallbroken: Install it in a VM if you want to play with it, it's not production-ready. |
| 13:17.23 | t3ngu | i agree with petn-randall. plus there is a learning curve, |
| 13:17.33 | t3ngu | and hella kernel tunables |
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| 13:23.11 | abcone | hi all |
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| 13:23.39 | abcone | somethin |
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| 13:53.12 | TheRevenant | hey guys, has anyone ever used Collins for infrastructure provisioning/automation? It's been developed at Tumblr |
| 13:53.28 | TheRevenant | http://tumblr.github.io/collins/index.html |
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| 13:54.46 | babilen | TheRevenant: What would you ask this hypethetical person? (Or: Yes, it is quite likely that there is at least one person who has used that software) |
| 13:55.14 | th3m4dm4n | hey |
| 13:55.23 | th3m4dm4n | I have a server |
| 13:55.29 | Penix | me too |
| 13:55.44 | TheRevenant | babilen: I'm curious, I don't see many articles about Collins that are not tumblr related. To me it looks like the holy grail of provisioning |
| 13:55.52 | th3m4dm4n | that for about an year has ben giving me problems |
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| 13:56.01 | th3m4dm4n | *been |
| 13:56.14 | rgr | this is really scary. I changed the owner of group of the rhythmbox playlists.xml file to root/root. When I open rhythmbox and add a new playlist the file is reverting to user/user. How is this happening?!? |
| 13:56.14 | th3m4dm4n | http://a.pomf.se/dfjcbj.jpg |
| 13:56.21 | rgr | owner and group |
| 13:56.35 | th3m4dm4n | I have formatted once and still the same problem |
| 13:56.48 | th3m4dm4n | I don't know if is an hardware issue or a debian bug |
| 13:57.02 | th3m4dm4n | sometimes boots fine |
| 13:57.06 | TheRevenant | babilen: so I wondering why it does not look that popular |
| 13:57.11 | th3m4dm4n | but goes down after some time |
| 13:57.15 | babilen | TheRevenant: I have no idea. We use salt. |
| 13:57.21 | th3m4dm4n | sometimes after a month |
| 13:57.25 | th3m4dm4n | sometimes 5 min |
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| 13:57.31 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:57.34 | TheRevenant | but that's configuration management, not provisioning afaik |
| 13:57.35 | th3m4dm4n | Now is happening on boot |
| 13:58.00 | babilen | th3m4dm4n: Please try to finish a thought before you hit enter and make use of punctuation characters. Thank you. |
| 13:58.04 | TheRevenant | Collins starts from hardware and sets it up via ipmi + preseed/kickstart and then handsover to puppet |
| 13:58.45 | Penix | th3m4dm4n: it's going to be hardware |
| 13:59.02 | th3m4dm4n | Is it? |
| 13:59.22 | Penix | th3m4dm4n: well, if not, wouldn't everybody else be experiencing the same thing? |
| 13:59.35 | Penix | th3m4dm4n: check your ram perhaps (memtest etc.) |
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| 14:00.23 | th3m4dm4n | I did, got some errors do I took one of the ram off and did the test again and the test passed |
| 14:00.25 | Penix | th3m4dm4n: btw, are you running a proper 'stable' installation? |
| 14:00.31 | th3m4dm4n | Yes |
| 14:00.41 | th3m4dm4n | wheezy |
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| 14:01.01 | th3m4dm4n | Maybe I should do a memtest again |
| 14:01.07 | th3m4dm4n | I'm going to |
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| 14:01.32 | rgr | th3m4dm4n: stop pressing the f*ing return key every three words please :) |
| 14:01.54 | rgr | type long thought out sentences. It messes up the flow otherwise and makes the channel hard to read. |
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| 14:02.00 | RoBo_V | haha lol rgr |
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| 14:03.03 | Brigo | !enter |
| 14:03.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 14:04.20 | th3m4dm4n | Living on IRC for more than an year, noone ever had a problem with it |
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| 14:05.09 | OpenTokix | th3m4dm4n: We have to accomodate for all the unemployed nolifers with no screen reelestate for all them excessive lines. |
| 14:05.10 | RoBo_V | th3m4dm4n: I guess then you have not learned enough to eff use irc |
| 14:05.11 | babilen | th3m4dm4n: Different channels have different netiquette. Please respect ours. |
| 14:05.11 | heurist | th3m4dm4n: we all have a problem with it, and it is the policy of this channel as stated by the bot |
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| 14:06.15 | t3ngu | well not 'all' all |
| 14:06.26 | th3m4dm4n | Yes, thanks, I never have many luck with freenode, I will try somewhere else |
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| 14:07.29 | rgr | th3m4dm4n: all channels have a problem with it. its anti social and tends to promote reactionary nonsense replies without thought. Hence the bot entry. |
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| 14:07.42 | rgr | s/all/the great majority |
| 14:07.42 | k3po | rgr meant to say: th3m4dm4n: the great majority channels have a problem with it. its anti social and tends to promote reactionary nonsense replies without thought. Hence the bot entry. |
| 14:08.01 | Penix | urgh. wtf |
| 14:08.04 | t3ngu | with taht i agree |
| 14:08.28 | rgr | sigh. Everyone is a pedantic arse these days...:) |
| 14:08.38 | t3ngu | its funny though how people have big problems with small things, and not a single problem with major issues, but thats humanity i guess. |
| 14:10.01 | RoBo_V | t3ngu: for example ? |
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| 14:10.55 | t3ngu | well the just mentioned use (over use) of \n for example. Versus i dont know, like nuclear meltdowns? |
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| 14:11.23 | RoBo_V | ok |
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| 14:31.41 | ashka | hey, I want to install a new system with a netinstall, but my network has no dhcp and needs pointopoint. How can I manage ? |
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| 14:33.35 | day | ashka: config your networkcard manually?? |
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| 14:33.42 | heurist | ashka: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_netinst_over_PPP.3F |
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| 14:34.14 | ashka | I need netmask 255.255.255.255 and the gateway is out of range, so the installer won't let me. |
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| 14:36.24 | heurist | ashka: I would be inclined towards saying netinst is not the best solution for you. maybe use CD1 instead? |
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| 14:36.47 | ashka | hm, okay. I'll use that instead, thanks |
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| 14:47.45 | hey_joe_ | whats the best way to completely remove ALL of MySQL and reinstall? |
| 14:47.55 | hey_joe_ | apt-get purge --yes mysql-server; apt-get install mysql-server? |
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| 14:50.14 | ws | I have a problem installing jessie on a computer with an intel wifi card (which requires firmware), no ethernet and no cd (only usb). I copied the unofficial non-free build (beta netinst) for jessie and I am trying to use this installer, but the required iwlwifi module is not loaded... dmesg shows "iwlwifi [...] firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode (-2)" ... find / |
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| 14:50.51 | ws | find / |grep iwlwifi doesn't show this .ucode file either (although it is in the .deb file in /cdrom/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi*' |
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| 14:51.44 | ws | is there something blatant I may be possibly missing? |
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| 14:53.28 | ws | (I think these .ucode files should be in /lib/firmware, but I do not have such a directory on my ramdisk) |
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| 14:55.35 | Brigo | !tell ws about firmware |
| 14:55.35 | k3po | Brigo: I'll pass that on when ws is around. |
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| 14:56.02 | gerforce | !tell gerforce about firmware |
| 14:56.03 | k3po | You can tell yourself that. |
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| 14:56.39 | ws | Brigo: yup, I am using an (unofficial) .iso with this firmware |
| 14:56.39 | k3po | ws: 2014-09-03 - 14:55:35 <Brigo> tell ws about firmware |
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| 14:57.15 | ws | Brigo: i.e., from this page http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:57.41 | Brigo | ws, the the firmware should be already installed and configured. |
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| 14:58.28 | ws | Brigo: well, 'lsmod' shows iwlwifi, but dmesg shows "iwlwifi [...] no suitable firmware found!", etc. |
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| 14:58.42 | Brigo | ws please lspci -nn and paste the 8 numbers in the line of your wifi card. |
| 14:58.46 | ws | Brigo: the firmware itself is in the .deb file though |
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| 14:59.15 | ws | Brigo: 8086:088e (Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 |
| 14:59.21 | Brigo | ws, if you use the unofficial images with firmware it should be installed at install time. |
| 14:59.47 | t3ngu | enjoy the rest of the day folks, bye for today |
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| 15:00.18 | ws | Brigo: I was following the usual installation steps till network config -- it failed here, so I entered the shell to look around |
| 15:00.27 | Brigo | ws, ok |
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| 15:00.37 | Brigo | the firmware package name is firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:00.40 | Brigo | is it installed? |
| 15:01.07 | ws | I can see this file, but I do not actually know how to see if it is installed |
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| 15:01.30 | ws | right now I am running "ash" on ramdisk.. I can see this file in /cdrom/firmware |
| 15:01.31 | Brigo | dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:01.31 | dpkg | ii firmware-iwlwifi 2.6-3.2 brigo's private stamp collection |
| 15:01.45 | ws | "/bin/sh: dpkg: not found" |
| 15:01.54 | Brigo | wow :) |
| 15:02.07 | Brigo | try /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:02.08 | ws | I haven't set up partitions yet, it's still the very early install phase |
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| 15:02.33 | ws | "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/dpkg: not found" |
| 15:03.55 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 15:03.56 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 15:04.03 | bolt | anyone else on wheezy, using bash 4.2.37 (echo $BASH_VERSION) who could tell me if "a='foo\'; echo ${a%?}" outputs "foo\" or "foo" for them? |
| 15:05.20 | Brigo | jhulst, ws are installing from unofficial images with firmware, but the instalation has failed. |
| 15:05.27 | Brigo | jhutchins, , ws are installing from unofficial images with firmware, but the instalation has failed. |
| 15:05.37 | heurist | bolt: foo\ |
| 15:05.59 | bolt | heh |
| 15:06.00 | Brigo | ws, ah, you are installing jessie |
| 15:06.02 | bolt | bash bug :/ |
| 15:06.37 | Brigo | 2 things: for jessie support join #debian-next channel in OFTC server. |
| 15:06.59 | bolt | heurist: bet you "echo ${a%??}" outputs the correct value of "fo" :) |
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| 15:06.59 | Brigo | an does not install jessie, install wheezy and then upgrade to jessie. |
| 15:07.01 | paxcoder | I can't log in via gdm, it doesn't show the login screen. The console mentioned systemd? |
| 15:07.07 | ws | Brigo, jhutchins: thank you :-) |
| 15:07.23 | heurist | bolt: yep fo |
| 15:07.32 | Brigo | ws, jessie installer are building everyday with the avaiable packages |
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| 15:07.45 | paxcoder | Well, it doesn't show the login form. I can see time, battery status etc |
| 15:07.45 | Brigo | and it is not testing at all. |
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| 15:08.18 | bolt | heurist: thanks. guess i'll have to go with "echo ${a:0:$((${#a}-1))}" |
| 15:08.24 | bolt | heurist: much easier to read anyway :P |
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| 15:09.54 | paxcoder | Any ideas what I should do? |
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| 15:17.03 | akp | hey, anyone here using dnsmasq? i am trying to use option 423, but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 15:17.08 | akp | *option 42 |
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| 15:18.08 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:18.09 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 15:39.42 | Ryushin | So will sysvinit be totally gone in Jesse? Will I have no other choice but to switch to systemd or will there still be an option to use sysvinit? |
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| 15:41.01 | Ryushin | I've switched systemd to my laptop a few months ago and I truly feel I like sysinitv better and I was about to switch everything back to sysvinit. I'm running sid (same installation since 1998). |
| 15:41.10 | ws | Ryushin: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of admins suddenly cried out in terror..." |
| 15:41.29 | Ryushin | ws: I am one of those admins. |
| 15:41.43 | Brigo | Ryushin, jessie will support both. |
| 15:41.47 | petn-randall | Ryushin: Support for jessie/sid is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:42.20 | biel | why i cant log in into my server (LAN) while using ipv6 adress? |
| 15:42.23 | Ryushin | Shame debian-next is not on freenode. I did not know that. |
| 15:42.37 | Ryushin | biel: I log in fine over IPv6. |
| 15:42.49 | Ryushin | I've been using IPv6 for years and years. |
| 15:43.27 | biel | Ryushin: do i have to add smth in firewall settings? or what is wrong with my host? |
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| 15:44.08 | Ryushin | Brigo: Very good to hear. I'm just not seeing the benefits. If I wanted to basterize unix I'd just use a mac. |
| 15:44.13 | biel | or any change in sshd_conf? |
| 15:44.32 | Ryushin | biel: I just ssh to my box. No issues for me. Did you configure your sshd_config to listen on all interfaces or did you select just a specific one. |
| 15:44.54 | Ryushin | I actually run ssh on specific IPs and ports. |
| 15:45.19 | Ryushin | And I manually specify what IP (ipv4 or ipv6) and port to listen on. |
| 15:45.33 | biel | Ryushin: i didnt change anything in sshd_conf |
| 15:45.41 | biel | so i have to check it right away |
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| 15:46.36 | Ryushin | biel: http://pastebin.com/PsCYjZcB |
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| 15:47.24 | Ryushin | Brigo: Has there been official word that Debian will continue to support both or is Jessie the last one that will have sysvinit? |
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| 15:47.41 | biel | Ryushin: i get it now, i understand it, thanks. Anyways, i have also 1 more thing i`d like to ask about ipv6. Can I PM you to ask? |
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| 15:47.56 | Ryushin | biel: sure |
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| 16:18.02 | MY123 | Ryushin: What is your user mask? |
| 16:18.20 | MY123 | (what is your nick and your proxy) |
| 16:18.34 | MY123 | I'm currently connected to OFTC. |
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| 16:19.03 | Ryushin | MY123: Ryushin for all of it. I'm a security/privacy nut so I also tunnel through tor. |
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| 16:19.54 | Ryushin | I can join to the server, but not to the debian-next channel: ~Ryushin 37PAABNE1.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net graviton.oftc.net Ryushin H :0 Ryushin |
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| 16:20.32 | MY123 | Ryushin: Every Tor user is banned from OFTC. Ban Mask: *!*@*.tor-irc.oftc.net |
| 16:20.42 | jelly | Ryushin: register with OFTC nickserv and identify |
| 16:20.51 | Ryushin | MY123: That would do it. |
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| 16:21.01 | MY123 | jelly: There is the ban mask. |
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| 16:21.26 | stbatduke | Hey #debian! I just asked a question on superuser.com : http://superuser.com/questions/806773/installing-specific-not-in-repository-version-of-python-dev-within-virtualenv-wi .... I am trying to figure out how to install python-dev in a virtualenv when I do not have access to apt - I have debian 6.0.9 and python 2.6.6 install on the system, but python 2.7.5 in the virtualenv and want to find the place to download source for python-dev for 2.7.5 and then in |
| 16:21.42 | jelly | MY123: yes there is. |
| 16:22.06 | MY123 | Ryushin: Try connecting without Tor. |
| 16:22.33 | jelly | MY123: or he could just register with OFTC nickserv and identify as told |
| 16:23.04 | jelly | MY123: try it. |
| 16:23.18 | Ryushin | jelly: I'll try it first. |
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| 16:23.51 | jelly | Ryushin: read http://www.oftc.net/Tor/ and set cloak afterwards |
| 16:23.52 | woshty | Is there something other that pip for getting python stuff? |
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| 16:24.29 | Ryushin | jelly: Thank you. |
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| 16:30.40 | Ryushin | Thanks Jelly, works great now. |
| 16:31.35 | jelly | you're welcome! |
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| 16:49.34 | bbtech | when upgrading from wheezy to testing should I do a full-upgrade or just an upgrade? |
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| 16:49.54 | jelly | bbtech: did you read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 16:49.54 | bbtech | *with aptitude |
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| 16:50.25 | bbtech | jelly, reading now |
| 16:51.09 | bbtech | jelly, thanks! looks like I want to do both |
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| 16:51.51 | bbtech | is crossing fingers that testing will be stable for development desktop |
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| 16:51.55 | jelly | bbtech: it also looks like "use apt-get" |
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| 16:52.20 | bbtech | aptitude uses apt-get |
| 16:52.23 | jelly | nope |
| 16:52.26 | Nik05 | no |
| 16:52.27 | bbtech | oh |
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| 16:52.47 | bbtech | I thought aptitude was the replacement for apt-get |
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| 16:53.13 | bbtech | *recommended to use aptitude over apt-get because it tracks installs better or something |
| 16:53.20 | Nik05 | its not, there is apt-get, apt, aptitude and maybe more |
| 16:53.33 | jelly | bbtech: aptitude and apt-get do dependency resolution and package installation ordering in different ways, and at present time apt-get seems more suitable for this release upgrade |
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| 16:54.23 | bbtech | ok, thanks for that info. I didn't know that. |
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| 16:54.56 | Nik05 | try out which one works best for the job |
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| 16:55.26 | bbtech | interesting apt-get resolved dependencies better than aptitude |
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| 16:55.44 | bbtech | got errors with aptitude and none with apt-get |
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| 16:55.52 | Nik05 | errors? |
| 16:56.46 | bbtech | dependency errors...said to try --ful-resolver |
| 16:56.53 | bbtech | I can't scroll up to give the exact message |
| 16:56.58 | jelly | bbtech: it's better for this particular scenario, yes, that's why it's recommended |
| 16:57.10 | jelly | aptitude is better in some other situations |
| 16:57.14 | Gecko121 | Hello everyone. I am playing with building a Debian Live image at the moment. I have a question regarding the ssh host keys: How do I ensure that the ssh keys are not identical on multiple machines when using the same live cd on several hosts? |
| 16:57.20 | bbtech | jelly, yeah, I'm glad you pointed it out I wouldn't have tried apt-get because I thought it was basically the same thing |
| 16:57.57 | jelly | everyone thinks they're smarter than the bot! |
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| 16:58.57 | MY123 | jelly: The bot content is written by humans so normal. :-) |
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| 17:06.18 | jhutchins | NFS gets which ports to use from the rpc query to the server, right? |
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| 17:09.31 | yeboot | which repos do I need in my /etc/apt/sources.list in order to see the package flashplugin-nonfree? (https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/web/flashplugin-nonfree) |
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| 17:10.08 | takeyourhatoff | non-free |
| 17:10.13 | yeboot | I mean, the first line in my sources.list is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free" |
| 17:10.14 | heurist | yeboot: add non-free to your current lines |
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| 17:10.33 | takeyourhatoff | have you apt-get update'd |
| 17:10.51 | heurist | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:10.52 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.5; sid/contrib: 1:3.5 |
| 17:11.03 | Ryushin | I'm like the network-manager. Is there an alternative that also has wireless, vpn, and ipv6 support that does not rely on systemd. |
| 17:11.03 | heurist | yeboot: it appears it is in contrib |
| 17:11.03 | takeyourhatoff | what |
| 17:11.09 | jelly | yeboot: you're missing "contrib" between main and non-free |
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| 17:11.19 | takeyourhatoff | heurist: why is it in contrib |
| 17:11.24 | takeyourhatoff | it has bloody non-free in the name |
| 17:11.25 | yeboot | heurist, jelly, thanks |
| 17:11.34 | jelly | takeyourhatoff: read /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:11.46 | takeyourhatoff | is it because it is open source, but because it downloads the binary package, it counts as open source? |
| 17:11.53 | takeyourhatoff | that's dumb |
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| 17:20.21 | alanjf | What is the safest way to clear out entries in the status file that have "Status: purge ok not-installed" ? Is it ok to manaually edit them out since they represent packages that were unistalled ? |
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| 17:25.11 | heurist | alanjf: why? purge is the same as never installed. |
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| 17:26.27 | belak | Isn't there a way to check if it should be easy to backport a package? |
| 17:26.36 | heurist | alanjf: and no, do not manually edit those files. |
| 17:26.43 | Nik05 | ,checkbackport |
| 17:26.44 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 17:27.49 | Nik05 | belak the bot works when you speak to it privately too :) |
| 17:27.57 | alanjf | heurist: I just wanted to keep the status file clean. Is there a reason for it to remain there? Just a reference to what was once installed in the past? |
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| 17:28.02 | belak | Nik05: yup, that's what I did. Thanks! |
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| 17:28.51 | heurist | alanjf: as a rule: unless you know exactly what a system file is for, leave it alone. they do not do any harm. |
| 17:29.04 | hackish | I have a beaglebone and it runs a version of Debian. How can I tell what version it is? Is this related to the kernel version or is there a "release" that consists of the kernel and a set version of all the libraries and utilities? |
| 17:29.43 | hackish | uname spits out the following: Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 21 21:24:58 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 17:29.44 | alanjf | I know what the status file is, I just want to know why all those entries with "Status: purge ok not-installed" need to remain in there. |
| 17:30.07 | heurist | hackish: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:30.59 | hackish | ah 7.4 |
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| 17:33.43 | hackish | I assume 7.4 is not too old. |
| 17:33.56 | Nik05 | thats the current stable |
| 17:34.01 | hackish | not really used to the whole linux thing. Seems that there is a new version every week |
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| 17:34.37 | Nik05 | new debian stable every week? :P |
| 17:35.43 | gr8 | I want to add this repository https://mega.co.nz/linux/MEGAsync/Debian_7.0/ directly to my sources.list. the problem is, there is no dists/stable/main directory or alike. can you help me? |
| 17:35.44 | peterrooney | alanjf: the proper way to make direct changes to this file is to not. my guess is, "When was the last time you did an upgrade?" I seem to recall that the status file provides directions about what to do during installs and upgrades |
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| 17:43.51 | stbatduke | Hey #debian! I just asked a question on superuser.com : http://superuser.com/questions/806773/installing-specific-not-in-repository-version-of-python-dev-within-virtualenv-wi .... I am trying to figure out how to install python-dev in a virtualenv when I do not have access to apt - I have debian 6.0.9 and python 2.6.6 install on the system, but python 2.7.5 in the virtualenv and want to find the place to download source for python-dev for 2.7.5 and then in |
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| 17:53.50 | peterrooney | stbatduke: /msg dpkg cross post |
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| 17:55.05 | stbatduke | peterrooney: I didn't think about asking the dpkg channel, and sorry for my not reading the full topic :) |
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| 18:03.24 | wallbroken | how to install kernel 3.10 in debian? |
| 18:03.41 | wallbroken | apt-cache search linux-image doesn't show me any kind of it |
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| 18:04.10 | heurist | ,kernel |
| 18:04.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.15-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 18:04.36 | heurist | wallbroken: no 3.10 there, why not 3.14 from backports? |
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| 18:05.05 | wallbroken | heurist, it's ok |
| 18:05.07 | wallbroken | how to install? |
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| 18:10.33 | heurist | wallbroken: if you have backports enabled then apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:11.25 | heurist | !tell wallbroken -about wheezy backports |
| 18:11.25 | k3po | heurist: I'll pass that on when wallbroken is around. |
| 18:11.48 | heurist | k3po: thanks, did they disconnect? |
| 18:12.07 | wallbroken | how to know if my release is sqeeze? |
| 18:12.07 | k3po | wallbroken: 2014-09-03 - 18:11:25 <heurist> tell wallbroken -about wheezy backports |
| 18:12.11 | wallbroken | or something else? |
| 18:12.40 | heurist | wallbroken: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:12.56 | wallbroken | 7.6 |
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| 18:13.08 | heurist | wallbroken: 7 is wheezy |
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| 18:14.10 | heurist | k3po: just in case there is a crossed line here, !tell makes the dpkg bot tell the person the factoid |
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| 18:17.43 | hackish | Is it possible to be running a different linux kernel version within debian 7.4? I presently have 3.8.13 but 3.12 supports the wifi USB dongle I want. Is it as simple as just replacing the kernel or is there a process to upgrade everything? |
| 18:18.15 | heurist | hackish: you have a beeglebone? they have their own kernel |
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| 18:18.50 | hackish | heurist, yes it is a beaglebone. I assumed it was just a linux kernel. |
| 18:18.56 | hackish | cross compiled for that hw |
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| 18:20.52 | arch_adam | Hi, is it possible to reduce the font sizes within google chromes address bar and menus etc? |
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| 18:20.56 | heurist | hackish: you can run any kernel that they have made for it. the kernel version does not affect the rest of the system (unless something is wrong) I do not know what versions they have though. |
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| 18:21.33 | hackish | ah ok. I didn't know you could just freely interchange kernel versions without updating all of the system, ie libc and all that |
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| 18:22.13 | wallbroken | heurist: linux-image-3.14-0-bpo.2-686-pae it's good? |
| 18:22.19 | Okee | anyone know of a trash bin that shows the date? Mine only shows the name, size, and type |
| 18:22.38 | heurist | hackish: if they come from the official repos it should be safe enough, check if there is a backports for beaglebone. |
| 18:22.54 | heurist | wallbroken: is your system 32bit only? |
| 18:22.59 | wallbroken | yes |
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| 18:23.45 | heurist | wallbroken: then that sounds like your best bet. |
| 18:23.49 | hackish | heurist, someone has build a 3.12 version of the kernel. Not sure if that aligns with whatever the official linux kernel numbering system is but I was unsure about just plunking that into the system. |
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| 18:24.36 | heurist | hackish: better ask the beaglebone community, we only support official debian here, so we do not know what they are doing. |
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| 18:26.09 | hackish | the community is a little nonexistant. They say it's debian but seriously linux is a real mess of a zillion different interpretations of what a unix should be like. |
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| 18:28.05 | heurist | hackish: what does aptitude versions ^linux-image say? use a pastebin |
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| 18:28.27 | AimHere | Conway's law applies. There's a reason why the average unix system has upwards of a dozen subtly incompatible flavours of regular expressions |
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| 18:29.09 | aaron83 | hi there i have a samba4 AD working nice and an account with SeDiskOperatorPrivilege but when i try to reasign privilege send me access deny |
| 18:29.47 | aaron83 | so i can define user right from that folder |
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| 18:31.59 | heurist | aaron83: might be better to as in #samba |
| 18:32.30 | hackish | heurist http://pastebin.com/uE27mgfQ |
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| 18:32.34 | aaron83 | thanks |
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| 18:33.23 | heurist | !tell hackish -about wheezy backports |
| 18:33.23 | k3po | heurist: I'll pass that on when hackish is around. |
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| 18:34.25 | heurist | hackish: maybe try enabling backport and install the kernel from there |
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| 18:34.29 | hackish | by backports you mean someone may have backported the kernel or backported a kernel module if liinux has such a thing? |
| 18:34.30 | k3po | hackish: 2014-09-03 - 18:33:23 <heurist> tell hackish -about wheezy backports |
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| 18:37.20 | heurist | !ops k3po looks like a repeater bot |
| 18:37.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: heurist complains about: k3po looks like a repeater bot |
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| 18:37.35 | zerick | Guys, I have a Debian wheezy that is closing my SSH connections to it continuously. I haven't found anything useful in logs, any ideas what could be the problem ? |
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| 18:50.33 | ompaul | zerick: you say closing, duration of uptime of links, between what kind of locations, how many hops? |
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| 18:59.43 | ompaul | either the line dropped or they solved it |
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| 19:10.46 | zerick | ompaul, well, is a local server. The uptime links duration may vary, but I would say it's about 10s - 5 min |
| 19:11.03 | ompaul | how many hops? |
| 19:11.43 | ompaul | zerick: do you want to do this interactively? |
| 19:11.47 | zerick | one ? it's on the same subnet, indeed there's only one. |
| 19:11.51 | ompaul | ok |
| 19:11.57 | ompaul | wireless or wired? |
| 19:12.03 | zerick | wired |
| 19:12.11 | ompaul | change cables |
| 19:12.23 | ompaul | add in another cable |
| 19:12.35 | ompaul | anything like heaters beside the cable? |
| 19:13.23 | ompaul | if that fails to remedy it change ports on hub |
| 19:13.33 | jhutchins | zerick: Are the connections active or idle? |
| 19:13.54 | zerick | possibly, machines are close to each other in a corner |
| 19:14.05 | zerick | jhutchins, mainly active |
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| 19:14.13 | ompaul | ssh should stay alive on a local segment unless you have bad hardware |
| 19:14.24 | jhutchins | zerick: What kind of activity? |
| 19:14.29 | ompaul | if both are desktops try adding in a different network |
| 19:14.31 | ompaul | card |
| 19:14.46 | ompaul | zerick: and for fun |
| 19:15.09 | ompaul | are they all 1gig? |
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| 19:15.27 | zerick | jhutchins, accesing files, moving them, stuff like that |
| 19:16.03 | zerick | ompaul, NICs ? nope. I guess cables are 1gig, not sure. |
| 19:16.17 | ompaul | zerick: all really old hardware? |
| 19:16.29 | zerick | yep |
| 19:16.32 | zerick | we love it xd |
| 19:16.49 | ompaul | get a couple of new nics and try then |
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| 19:17.38 | zerick | ompaul, oh yeah, yesterday I changed the NIC on that debian machine, but failures happen again |
| 19:17.41 | ompaul | you could visually inspect them to insure that no pins look bent or anything like that |
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| 19:17.51 | ompaul | zerick: did you change cables? |
| 19:17.55 | ompaul | the don't last forever either |
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| 19:18.13 | zerick | I did not, I will, for sure. |
| 19:19.13 | zerick | I only see, as suspicious, this http://paste.debian.net/119207/ |
| 19:19.37 | ompaul | na |
| 19:19.41 | zerick | where it suddenly says session closed |
| 19:19.54 | ompaul | that's all cron |
| 19:20.03 | ompaul | it's going to start do a job go away and move on |
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| 19:34.20 | arch_adam | cd ~ |
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| 19:36.13 | arch_adam | exit |
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| 19:46.03 | stbatduke | So for example, I have https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-dev but I want a different version ... I don't see any way to find other versions |
| 19:46.10 | ompaul | archive.debian.net |
| 19:46.21 | ompaul | !archive.debian.net |
| 19:46.26 | ompaul | !archive |
| 19:46.26 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 19:46.44 | foivn | usually, when root mounts an iso image (# mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro /path/to/image /mnt or the like) an ordinary user is also able to read from that mounted filesystem. For my standard jessie schroot, that is not the case. Any idea why permissions are set differently? |
| 19:47.15 | heurist | !snapshot |
| 19:47.16 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 19:47.37 | stbatduke | thanks! |
| 19:47.42 | stbatduke | both |
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| 19:48.21 | foivn | it says "almost all packages". So which ones are left out? |
| 19:48.23 | stbatduke | gosh well snapshot doesn't have python-dev at all |
| 19:48.24 | ompaul | foivn: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
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| 19:49.06 | ompaul | foivn: I guess there are things that debian pulled from the repos over the years and they won't be there because $reason |
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| 19:49.25 | foivn | ompaul: the wiki about schroot does not seem to mention mount |
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| 19:49.45 | zosky` | how can i install nginx latest version ? |
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| 19:49.58 | zosky` | debian package is extremely outdated |
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| 19:50.33 | eXiLe | hoi |
| 19:50.35 | ompaul | foivn: it's not a mounting thing - if you mount a mount point it has the ownerships it would have had before it was mounted |
| 19:50.52 | heurist | !tell zosky` -about stable |
| 19:50.53 | k3po | heurist: I'll pass that on when zosky` is around. |
| 19:50.53 | foivn | ompaul: I don't see the connection between things debian pulled off and the permissions set differently in a chroot |
| 19:50.55 | ompaul | zosky`: you can wishfully hope it is a backport |
| 19:51.00 | foivn | ompaul: ah, okay... will have a look |
| 19:51.33 | ompaul | foivn: you did as which ones are left out .... I guess there are things that debian pulled from the repos over the years and they won't be there because $reason |
| 19:51.51 | ompaul | do keep up with your own conversations :) |
| 19:51.54 | ompaul | hides |
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| 19:52.10 | somiaj | ,v nginx |
| 19:52.11 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.1-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.6.1-1 |
| 19:52.12 | foivn | ompaul: ah sorry, forgot :-) |
| 19:52.39 | somiaj | zosky`: is 1.6.0 to oudated for you? Seems that is installable in wheezy via wheezy-backports. |
| 19:53.03 | zosky` | somiaj, when i sudo'd i got nginx 1.2.2 ? |
| 19:53.03 | k3po | zosky`: 2014-09-03 - 19:50:52 <heurist> tell zosky` -about stable |
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| 19:53.23 | ompaul | !ops boot that k3po out please |
| 19:53.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ompaul complains about: boot that k3po out please |
| 19:53.41 | ompaul | zosky`: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:53.41 | zosky` | somiaj, nginx_1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2_all.deb |
| 19:53.51 | abrotman | bye |
| 19:53.52 | stbatduke | well archive.debian.org doesn't have the version of python-dev that I need ... anyone else know where I can find python-dev SOURCE for python 2.7.5-5 ? |
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| 19:53.59 | zosky` | the latest, ompaul |
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| 19:54.19 | somiaj | zosky`: that is the wheezy version, I said from wheezy backports. You have to enable this repos and explicity ask to install it |
| 19:54.24 | somiaj | !tell zosky` about wheezy backports |
| 19:54.36 | ompaul | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:54.52 | zosky` | somiaj, ok |
| 19:55.17 | ompaul | zosky`: is there a specific reason you need it to be more recent or is it just version number envy? |
| 19:55.35 | somiaj | stbatduke: why are you looking on archive, did you mean snapshot.debian.org? |
| 19:56.00 | stbatduke | well somiaj I can't even find python-dev on snapshot.debian.org at all |
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| 19:56.05 | stbatduke | in any version |
| 19:56.11 | somiaj | stbatduke: why do you need this package? |
| 19:56.56 | stbatduke | somiaj: I'll try to explain, bear with me (correct bear/bare/bair?) |
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| 19:57.14 | somiaj | stbatduke: either way, I don't have time to get into the explination. But I found many versions here http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/python-dev/ |
| 19:57.37 | somiaj | including the one you said you couldn't find at snapshot..(: |
| 19:57.45 | stbatduke | sos ok |
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| 19:57.52 | stbatduke | oops type fail |
| 19:57.54 | stbatduke | wow ok |
| 19:58.08 | zosky` | ompaul, this i my first time using it i'm learning to build a web server from a tutorial dating Jan 14, 2014. i'm assuming using a version that is 2 years old wont be recommended |
| 19:58.16 | stbatduke | how did you find that? I searched for it on snapshot. by python-dev and didn't find any thing |
| 19:58.33 | somiaj | stbatduke: notice there are two search fields, one is for source packages the other is for binary package. That is a binary package |
| 19:58.45 | stbatduke | oh |
| 19:58.47 | stbatduke | well shoot |
| 19:58.50 | zosky` | brb |
| 19:59.26 | stbatduke | can I install a binary package version of python-dev and specify a custom path for python binaries? for example, within my virtualenv so /home/user/.virtualenvs/appname/bin/python ? |
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| 19:59.49 | foivn | ompaul: flags of the mountpoint before mount is "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root" but unprivileged users can't read after mount. Any idea why? |
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| 20:00.22 | somiaj | stbatduke: not directly, if that was a chroot you could install binary packages inside the chroot. Not sure how .virtualenvs works though never messed with them as I have always just used chroots |
| 20:00.47 | stbatduke | I have no idea what chroot is ... looking up ... |
| 20:00.51 | heurist | foivn: permissions before mount are not relevant, they are replaced by permissions of the filesystem |
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| 20:00.57 | somiaj | stbatduke: have you stated your original issue/result you are trying to get here, maybe someone has a better solution to what you ar edoing then installing some snapshot package. |
| 20:01.16 | foivn | heurist: can root override these permissions of the filesystem? |
| 20:01.18 | stbatduke | but I can't use chroots right now, I have to work with what is existing in my environment |
| 20:01.26 | heurist | foivn: yes |
| 20:01.48 | foivn | heurist: how? Since it is a readonly filesystem after mount? |
| 20:02.22 | heurist | foivn: mount it rw change the permissions remount,ro |
| 20:02.49 | littlebit | hello people, I have a question concerning the command "hciemu". in the man page there is something called "snoop file". What is a snoop file? |
| 20:02.53 | stbatduke | somiaj: I have a question on superuser.com : http://superuser.com/questions/806773/installing-specific-not-in-repository-version-of-python-dev-within-virtualenv-wi |
| 20:02.56 | littlebit | can someone explain that please? |
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| 20:03.57 | foivn | heurist: can only be mounted readonly |
| 20:04.28 | foivn | heurist: it says block device is write-protected. (Though the file may be changed, full permissions on it) |
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| 20:04.42 | heurist | foivn: I missed the beginning of the conversation. why is that? what are the permissions after mount? |
| 20:05.02 | foivn | heurist: ordinary users cannot even read that fs |
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| 20:05.46 | heurist | foivn: ls -l says what after mount? what is the filesystem? |
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| 20:06.29 | eptalon | heyas, I am running unstable, but have a problem with my vlc. |
| 20:06.33 | foivn | heurist: dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root for all files |
| 20:07.41 | heurist | foivn: and the filesystem type? |
| 20:08.06 | foivn | heurist: on /cdr type iso9660 (ro) |
| 20:08.48 | somiaj | eptalon: you need to state your problem/issue. You may find it helpful to 1) Check the BTS and see if anyone has reported a bug similar to your issue. 2) Use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different irc network) for sid support. |
| 20:09.03 | heurist | foivn: and the mount options? |
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| 20:09.42 | zosky` | somiaj, where do i paste this backport ? |
| 20:09.44 | foivn | heurist: usual: mount -o ro,loop (if I do -o rw it is ignored) |
| 20:10.15 | somiaj | zosky`: paste? what do you mean, you follow the instructions to enable the wheezy-backports repo, then 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ngnix' |
| 20:11.00 | Sindy | www.superonline.eu |
| 20:11.01 | somiaj | foivn: what is the file system you are mounting? iso9660, vfat, ntfs, (it is some image it seems). Some non unix file systems you can tell your machine what options to mount it with. |
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| 20:11.14 | foivn | somiaj: iso9660 |
| 20:12.17 | eptalon | somiaj: up ot about sunday or monday, vlc was running properly, then it refused to play back h264 encoded files. And now it looks like I have a dependencies problem: http://pastebin.com/AUMJb9ng |
| 20:12.57 | zosky` | somiaj it's in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:13.33 | foivn | heurist: somiaj: this is really really strange. On my host system it works as it should. I am wondering what schroot does different |
| 20:13.35 | somiaj | foivn: man mount, look at the mount options for iso9660. uid=foo, gid=bar can be set to set the user and group of the whole file system. So you can give it a different owner. I didn't see umask, fmask, dmask mentioned for iso9660 file systems but maybe they are default options that can be used to set the permissions |
| 20:13.40 | eptalon | somiaj: vlc wasnt version 2.2.0-pre2-4+b1 of some packages, but 1:2.1.3-dmo1 was going to be installed. |
| 20:14.25 | somiaj | eptalon: can you give the output of 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8 apt-cache policy' at a paste bin (hopefully that puts it in english for me) |
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| 20:14.43 | heurist | foivn: for iso it would be. I can not think of why users can not access it. maybe try adding the users option (though that affect who can mount, not who can read) it might help. man mount also talks about unhide in the context of iso. |
| 20:14.49 | stbatduke | Should I just tell my developer: "You have to test it on my server, not your own, if you don't, you're fired?" |
| 20:14.58 | somiaj | foivn: I didn't look at the permissions but sounds like your umask is not set the same for mounting that iso file. Not sure what schroot would be doign there. |
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| 20:16.21 | heurist | foivn: I did not see that this was a chroot, as I said, I missed the beginning. maybe try bind mount it into the chroot. too much confusion for me. |
| 20:16.23 | eptalon | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/index/AUMJb9ng scroll down. |
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| 20:16.41 | foivn | heurist: I mounted with -o user added - no difference :-( |
| 20:17.08 | foivn | somiaj: heurist: I have to leave. Will try a bind mound tomorrow. Thanks for thorough support. Bye |
| 20:17.44 | eptalon | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/t7yqXH0A |
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| 20:17.47 | somiaj | eptalon: that is the same output and not what I asked for |
| 20:18.01 | eptalon | see paste above t7... |
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| 20:18.55 | rks_ | are ther any direct derivatives of debian other than ubuntu and crunchbang, and specialized tools like kali/backtrack, tails, and whonix? |
| 20:19.01 | somiaj | eptalon: do not mix debian versions, why do you have both wheezy and sid sources. If you want to run sid remove all your wheezy sources and upgrade fully to sid |
| 20:19.10 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 20:19.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:19.17 | toli | guys I use pm-suspen on lid/event, when I open the lid it wakesup and then suspend again, what I am doing wrong? |
| 20:19.33 | eptalon | somiaj: ok. |
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| 20:20.04 | somiaj | eptalon: your install issue is apt is not able to determine what is the correct packages to install and you may have mixed versions on your machine. If you want to run sid, remove wheezy sources, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. And once you are fully running sid you shoudln't run into 'cannot install' issues. If you do check the BTS |
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| 20:20.13 | rks_ | somiaj: I wouldn't call this a "support request", I'm just wondering |
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| 20:20.47 | rks_ | people in this channel need to cool their botmessage trigger fingers |
| 20:21.00 | somiaj | rks_: its a bit off topic, maybe there is a debian based family tree you can find on google. There have been lots of projects though the years based on debian, I haven't kept track as they have gotten really numerous |
| 20:21.21 | rks_ | ah, ok |
| 20:21.28 | somiaj | rks_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#Debian-based |
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| 20:21.40 | rks_ | thanks |
| 20:22.12 | somiaj | rks_: that list is mising some of the old ones that aren't around any more, but seems what you were intersted in |
| 20:22.20 | rks_ | everything list of debian derivatives I've found has been kali, ubuntu, and the literal thousands of ubuntu derivatives |
| 20:22.20 | eptalon | somiaj: this doesn't solve the problem, though. |
| 20:22.32 | rks_ | every list* |
| 20:22.39 | toli | my lidbtn file contains event=button/lid; systemctl suspend; action=/usr/sbin/pm-suspend |
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| 20:23.41 | somiaj | eptalon: well the errors show me you are running acorss issues due to mixing packages from various versions which breaks apt on your system. The first thing is to fix that, make sure you are running sid fully |
| 20:24.00 | somiaj | eptalon: once you do that and get it so you can install vlc, you can see if it fixes your problem, if you are missing some package or if you need to file or look up a bug report |
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| 20:25.35 | zosky` | how do i check for a specific file in repo before installing |
| 20:25.46 | zosky` | something like apt-cache something something |
| 20:25.46 | eptalon | somiaj: in the process of removing cruft |
| 20:25.56 | atomi | as root chown -R tomcat7 * isn't changing my file ownership |
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| 20:26.03 | eptalon | zosky`: apt-cache search foo, apt-cache show foo? |
| 20:26.09 | atomi | any ideas? |
| 20:26.17 | zosky` | eptalon, thanks |
| 20:27.18 | Cyb3r--Assassin | I'm doing some work on a debian box, not too used to the constraints placed on system version sanity it puts in place. Im wanting a package tht required sid repos from a squeeze install. After adjusting source.list the package requires a newer version of GCC. How can you safely bring GCC version up? |
| 20:27.20 | atomi | it changed my directory if i do chwon -R tomcat7 /srv/www |
| 20:27.30 | atomi | *chown |
| 20:27.42 | somiaj | rks_: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg seems to have the dead distors I couldn't find in the list |
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| 20:28.34 | somiaj | Cyb3r--Assassin: do not install sid packages on squeeze. Binary packages using shared libaries must be installed on the version of debian they are made for |
| 20:29.00 | rks_ | somiaj: yeah, I've seen that before. it's pretty out of date, still lists #! as ubuntu-derived which changed at least a year ago |
| 20:29.01 | somiaj | Cyb3r--Assassin: if you want a newer package on squeeze, you can check squeeze-backports or make your own package. But installing a binary package form sid will cause you lots of problems |
| 20:29.16 | zosky` | ompaul, repo is configured now how do i install nginx 1.6 ?? i'm still getting version 1.2.2 |
| 20:29.38 | somiaj | zosky`: I told you that, 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ngnix' |
| 20:30.19 | zosky` | somiaj, i tried |
| 20:30.26 | toli | its one thinkpad r400, no one |
| 20:30.27 | ompaul | zosky`: apt-get update and then that |
| 20:30.28 | somiaj | zosky`: and what error did you get? |
| 20:30.37 | somiaj | zosky`: yes listen to ompaul if you didn't apt-get update first. (: |
| 20:30.44 | ompaul | zosky`: all that is on the wiki page |
| 20:30.55 | zosky` | ompaul, i'm already on wiki page |
| 20:30.57 | eptalon | somiaj: uninstalled all vlc related stuff, and now it seems to install vlc (v.2.2.0) just fine, thx. |
| 20:31.02 | zosky` | i've read it |
| 20:31.07 | ompaul | zosky`: and this data is on it |
| 20:31.31 | ompaul | zosky`: it has a rather large 2. Run apt-get update |
| 20:31.49 | Cyb3r--Assassin | somiaj: reminders of why I don't use binary distros :-/ somiaj so I am looking for reptyr package. Any advice? |
| 20:31.53 | ompaul | when you get a link like that it has useful data :-) |
| 20:32.16 | somiaj | Cyb3r--Assassin: you can add deb-src lines and try to compile your own package (Backport) that will run on squeeze. |
| 20:32.38 | somiaj | eptalon: just don't mix versoins so apt can figure things out, you confuse apt and life gets hard. (: |
| 20:32.39 | zosky` | somiaj, http://dpaste.com/2KRBKMB |
| 20:32.54 | somiaj | eptalon: did it fix your actual issue now that you arne't mixing things? |
| 20:32.58 | ompaul | ,v reptyr |
| 20:32.59 | judd | Package: reptyr on i386 -- wheezy: 0.3-2; sid: 0.5-1; jessie: 0.5-1 |
| 20:33.11 | ompaul | Cyb3r--Assassin: use a new version of debian |
| 20:33.12 | jhutchins | ,v reptyr |
| 20:33.13 | judd | Package: reptyr on i386 -- wheezy: 0.3-2; sid: 0.5-1; jessie: 0.5-1 |
| 20:33.22 | ompaul | even stable |
| 20:33.22 | jhutchins | Lag! Honest, it was lag! |
| 20:33.31 | ompaul | looks at jhutchins |
| 20:33.34 | ompaul | looks at lag |
| 20:33.40 | ompaul | looks at jhutchins again :P |
| 20:33.42 | somiaj | zosky`: did that error fix itself after you ran apt-get update? |
| 20:34.05 | zosky` | somiaj, this is what i got when i ran update. http://dpaste.com/3H08N0D |
| 20:34.07 | Cyb3r--Assassin | ompaul: IIRC that requires a new install. Since debians not rolling. That won't go over so well at work right now. Take too long with no billable return. |
| 20:34.24 | somiaj | Cyb3r--Assassin: you don't have to reinstall debian to upgrade |
| 20:34.29 | somiaj | !tell Cyb3r--Assassin about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:34.52 | ompaul | Cyb3r--Assassin: so they have no security updates in a couple of months do they want working machines with distro support |
| 20:35.01 | somiaj | zosky`: your mirror is incorrect, use http.debian.net (not ftp.debian.net) |
| 20:35.23 | Cyb3r--Assassin | ompaul: it's an segrigated pentesting box. |
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| 20:35.31 | somiaj | squeeze via lts should be getting security support for servers until 2016. |
| 20:35.38 | ompaul | falls around the place laughing |
| 20:35.47 | zosky` | somiaj, at first i did then debian.wiki suggest ftp |
| 20:35.56 | somiaj | zosky`: somethings are outdated. |
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| 20:36.20 | somiaj | zosky`: but http.debian.net is the suggest redirector (it will pick a geoip close mirror). Or use a specific mirror. |
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| 20:36.31 | ompaul | Cyb3r--Assassin: it's a pen testing box --- how oh my poor head --- I'd love to see it's ssh ciphers and I guess I'd giggle a lot |
| 20:36.51 | Cyb3r--Assassin | ompaul: ok and I care why? |
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| 20:37.21 | ompaul | Cyb3r--Assassin: rc4 and friends have fun |
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| 20:37.47 | zosky` | somiaj, need i include the contrib non-free ? |
| 20:37.54 | zosky` | somiaj, in the end |
| 20:38.03 | somiaj | zosky`: only if you want contrib and non-free packages from backports. What you want so far is in main so not nesecarry |
| 20:38.07 | ompaul | zosky`: only if that is where the package you want is from |
| 20:39.00 | ompaul | zosky`: you should have tried the course before you did this on the older version and see what you would learn - at least that seems to be the way I'd have approached it I use nginx in production as a reverse proxy from wheezy |
| 20:39.11 | ompaul | s/should/could |
| 20:40.20 | zosky` | ompaul, 2 years of age we can assume nginx 1.2.2 is very old and changes has been done |
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| 20:41.16 | ompaul | zosky`: and patched if security issues, and fundamental changes unlikely to operations |
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| 20:42.45 | ompaul | zosky`: you should read about debian stable and what it means some day |
| 20:43.06 | ompaul | it's kind of interesting and what makes it attractive to webmasters and hosting companies alike |
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| 20:57.39 | Cyb3r--Assassin | somiaj: all good upgraded it called it a day. Usually not good idea to do major upgrades during an engagement but what the hell live dangerously |
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| 21:06.38 | zosky` | somiaj, it finally worked but i got version 1.4.2 with a : unstable; urgency=medium written next to it |
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| 21:07.28 | zosky` | somiaj, never i got the 1.6.1 :) |
| 21:07.45 | zosky` | after i hit q |
| 21:07.51 | zosky` | it installed 1.6.1 |
| 21:08.02 | zosky` | which seems to be stable |
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| 21:12.06 | plaseabo | What's the easiest way for me to install Debian? I have no disk drive, several usb ports, and an excellent Internet connection. |
| 21:12.19 | plaseabo | I tried the Windows executable, but it messed up |
| 21:12.32 | plaseabo | First it said it wasn't compatible with Windows 6.2.9200 SP0 |
| 21:12.49 | plaseabo | Second, after getting past that, it claims it timed out while downloading something |
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| 21:18.56 | plaseabo | I guess by flash drive is the next best choice? |
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| 21:24.49 | plaseabo | From http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/bt-cd/ I only need debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent for my amd64 computer, right? |
| 21:24.59 | plaseabo | All the higher number disks are just extra applications? |
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| 21:27.25 | cra1g321 | plaseabo "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 21:27.25 | cra1g321 | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them" |
| 21:27.41 | cra1g321 | seems so :) |
| 21:28.12 | plaseabo | Okay, thanks. Wanted xfce on it too |
| 21:28.49 | plaseabo | Don't worry. After I get this done, I'll start using my unlimited bandwidth usage to help other people downloading Debian |
| 21:29.24 | sakang | then get the iso with xfce |
| 21:29.34 | cra1g321 | he is |
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| 21:32.49 | cra1g321 | the answer is likely yes, but if install a package from wheezy backports, then a newer version is available, doing a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade will get me that newer package ? |
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| 21:34.38 | sakang | should be |
| 21:34.50 | cra1g321 | yeah im thinking so to lol |
| 21:35.21 | sakang | though it might not be. I noticed that with the 3.14 backported kernel |
| 21:35.36 | cra1g321 | i'd only be using it for MATE |
| 21:35.42 | sakang | I had to manually apt-get install it |
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| 21:37.03 | cra1g321 | i've got a few old machines running XP that need some TLC and a new OS :) |
| 21:37.48 | plaseabo | Is MATE well supported? Or is it a short-lived protest movement? |
| 21:38.11 | cra1g321 | i cant see it going anyway anytime soon |
| 21:38.32 | cra1g321 | i think it suits debian quite well, i'd rather go MATE than xfce |
| 21:38.43 | plaseabo | Isn't xfce lighter? |
| 21:38.53 | cra1g321 | sort of |
| 21:39.00 | plaseabo | I thought that xfce could end up looking almost just like gnome 2 |
| 21:39.09 | sakang | if it's that old, better go with openbox |
| 21:39.10 | plaseabo | minus compiz |
| 21:39.43 | cra1g321 | the machines are only going to be used for internet and opening a few documents |
| 21:40.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i iddentify what dirs a package modifesi |
| 21:40.17 | plaseabo | don't even need a window manager for that |
| 21:40.24 | cra1g321 | so doesnt matter a whole lot about what DE, but opebox would be a bit too strange for the users |
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| 21:41.50 | sakang | maybe you haven't seen crunchbang yet |
| 21:42.05 | cra1g321 | lol |
| 21:42.09 | cra1g321 | oh i have |
| 21:42.21 | gotmynick | users that want freedom? |
| 21:42.26 | cra1g321 | sakang - http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/140/7/1/debian_tron_back_on_the_grid_by_cra1g321-d50iyz3.png |
| 21:42.47 | cra1g321 | that used to be my desktop when i used debian, from a netinstall cd |
| 21:43.37 | gotmynick | I'm one of those users getting systemd by default (and maybe single) boot option |
| 21:43.57 | sakang | nice |
| 21:44.04 | gotmynick | fair enough to be recovering my gentoo knowledge these days |
| 21:44.12 | cra1g321 | now im on opensuse with KDE |
| 21:44.23 | cra1g321 | but i do get the odd temption to go back to debian |
| 21:44.24 | gotmynick | that looks more like the freedom of the linux of the 90's |
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| 21:44.37 | gotmynick | debian-devel makes me cry |
| 21:44.40 | cra1g321 | it looks cool, but im more productive on KDE |
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| 21:45.38 | sakang | I used to a kde user too but not anymore |
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| 21:45.55 | Mousey | the freedom of the linux '90s was the Enlightenment desktop with GNOME panels, and KFM (now Konqueror) file manager |
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| 21:46.01 | gotmynick | kde2 was a nice desktop |
| 21:46.05 | Mousey | aah, those were the days |
| 21:46.55 | gotmynick | there was some years I was not dealing with a make menuconfig, I still did enjoy doing it yesterday |
| 21:47.09 | gotmynick | debian has been nice while using binary packages was a time saver |
| 21:47.17 | gotmynick | nowdays I don't think the same anymore |
| 21:47.32 | gotmynick | to many "i don't want this" shipped |
| 21:47.49 | gotmynick | and I can reuse what I build from source to my taste |
| 21:47.53 | gotmynick | the same |
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| 21:48.38 | gotmynick | I only miss systemd-grubd, and systemd-bashd, with jessie |
| 21:48.53 | gotmynick | don't care too much about the screenshot of the default install |
| 21:49.04 | gotmynick | preseed was my friends those years, defaults are insane |
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| 21:50.33 | gotmynick | I don't install debian to my grandma, neither to my niece, but now... I don't see it ok for power user also |
| 21:50.40 | bbtech | I upgraded to debian testing but when I rebooted it threw me into a rescue mode prompt. Can anyone help me get this system running again? |
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| 21:50.51 | bbtech | I'm on an encrypted drive and I wonder if that is playing a role |
| 21:51.09 | bbtech | I was able to startx and boot that up as the root user |
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| 21:52.12 | jhutchins | bbtech: Check logs like ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:52.36 | jhutchins | bbtech: Be very very careful about running X as root. |
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| 21:54.28 | jhutchins | bbtech: It sounds like the login manager (usually gdm) didn't start. |
| 21:54.55 | bbtech | is that lightdm? |
| 21:54.57 | jhutchins | bbtech: I'm having that problem on wheezy myself - I can change it with rcconf and when I look again it's off, it doesn't start. |
| 21:55.08 | jhutchins | bbtech: THat's also a possibility. |
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| 21:56.35 | bbtech | looks like lightdm ran correctly |
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| 21:56.55 | bbtech | Registered sesssion with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0 |
| 21:57.23 | bbtech | whats after lightdm? |
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| 21:57.36 | Mousey | darkdm |
| 21:57.50 | Mousey | stfu's |
| 21:59.16 | bbtech | So, if I try to startx as my user (from the rescue shell) it says I do not have permission |
| 21:59.21 | bbtech | but I can startx as root |
| 21:59.25 | bbtech | does that sound right? |
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| 22:04.43 | tremo | bbtech: sounds right. x can be configured to be startable by anyone, by console users only or by root only. |
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| 22:05.54 | bbtech | [ 0.010847] x2apic not enabled, IRQ remapping init failed |
| 22:06.13 | bbtech | Would that error send me to a recovery console? |
| 22:06.37 | bbtech | [ 1.504607] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_ERROR), returned control mask: 0x1d |
| 22:06.50 | tremo | never seen that myself. |
| 22:07.01 | bbtech | actually, those are old errors |
| 22:07.42 | bbtech | ok, I'm rebooting |
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| 22:18.04 | thewanderer1 | Hi. I'm on Wheezy with kernel 3.14 and sg3-utils 1.38-2. There is a 10-drive SAS expander connected to two of my SAS ports. How do I find out which block device (sd*) is which port (for example, via SES led blinking)? |
| 22:18.32 | thewanderer1 | s/which port/which drive bay/ |
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| 22:20.04 | joobus | thewanderer1: does fdisk -l show what you want? |
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| 22:20.44 | bbtech | reboot didn't help |
| 22:20.49 | thewanderer1 | joobus, I can see all the partitions just fine and the devices are functioning - I'd like a way to tell my server "show me where /dev/sda is by blinking some LED", though |
| 22:22.00 | thewanderer1 | I've tried looking in /sys/class/enclosure/1:0:4:0/*, and there's the 10 drive bays, but no way to relate them to block devices in Linux, it would seem... |
| 22:22.58 | cynicallemon | old fashioned, fail one drive at a time and see which is reported failed.... |
| 22:23.05 | thewanderer1 | blinking a LED via sg_ses --set ident --index ${BAY_NUMBER} /dev/sg4 works just fine - the bay lights up like a Christmas tree, but then, I don't know which block device is in there |
| 22:23.24 | bbtech | So, before I type in my password to decrypt the drive I see an error: Incorrect metadata area header checksum on /dev/sda1 at offset 4096. volume group debian-brett not found. Skipping volume group debian-brett. Unable to find LVM volume debian-brett/main |
| 22:23.32 | thewanderer1 | and I'm well aware which bay is which index because they are laid out nicely from left to right, top to bottom... |
| 22:23.38 | bbtech | Is that normal to see that before decrypting hard drive? |
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| 22:26.49 | thewanderer1 | `lsscsi` identifies the drives correctly - it even shows me the addresses, but still no clue as to which index they have on the expander |
| 22:28.24 | tremo | are there read/write leds specific to each speacial hd? |
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| 22:30.11 | joobus | thewanderer1: found this while googling, could work for you: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null |
| 22:30.15 | thewanderer1 | tremo, there's an "activity" LED it seems, and it does work for HDDs - not so much for the Intel DC S3500's also installed here (they apparently use SATA, so it's STP) |
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| 22:30.27 | joobus | thewanderer1: should blink the drive light |
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| 22:30.50 | tremo | joobus: thats exactly the reason i asked for r/w leds :) |
| 22:31.16 | thewanderer1 | imagine when the system is working, though - pretty much all drives will have some activity going on |
| 22:31.24 | tremo | this dd is exactly the way we sorted out a similar issue last week. |
| 22:31.47 | thewanderer1 | if, for example, a RAID rebuild is taking place, the activity LEDs wouldn't show much, I suppose |
| 22:31.57 | tremo | thi dd (withous blocksize) should turn it permanently on |
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| 22:34.14 | thewanderer1 | the enclosure has the SES LEDs for a reason :/ |
| 22:34.15 | tremo | thewanderer1: we have been able to find the hd clearly despite a raid6 rebuild at the same time. |
| 22:34.27 | tremo | but YMMV. |
| 22:34.38 | thewanderer1 | I mean sure, dd could work in a pinch, but that doesn't sound very reliable |
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| 22:35.25 | tremo | just start an stop that dd some times if you are not sure. just give a try. |
| 22:35.50 | tremo | we had a clearly visible result. |
| 22:36.00 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys question i mounted a drive with EncFS, and its located in my /home/usr/encrypteddir, i am trying to open a file to edit and it wont let me view the files within the application but using ls in terminal i can see its populated fine |
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| 22:36.59 | thewanderer1 | tremo, okay, I'll try that - in the meantime, mapping enclosure ports to block devices still sounds like a useful feature, no? |
| 22:37.43 | tremo | sure it does. we have a poor man's solution , vulgo "datengrab" :-) |
| 22:38.11 | tremo | so no real enclosure but many single drives. |
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| 22:39.01 | Psil0Cybin | It says that for example the folder that i am trying to access is unknown or something of that nature? |
| 22:39.11 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Sounds like the files might be read-only for your user, and your editor is trying to open them rw. |
| 22:39.48 | Psil0Cybin | oh shoot |
| 22:39.54 | Psil0Cybin | its being mounted as root, so i cannot use my username to access it |
| 22:39.57 | Psil0Cybin | that is what is happening i think |
| 22:40.39 | thewanderer1 | tremo, SAS? or just SATA JBOD? I thought I could put the new features to use, but am drowning in SAS terminology ATM... |
| 22:40.52 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: what would i do if i need to be root to mount encfs? |
| 22:41.10 | joobus | I have a lenovo yoga with an elan touchscreen. I really don't care to touch my screen (fingerprints) but I was trying to get it working. The driver is loaded but it only ever registers a left click when touching. is there some gesture support lib for linux yet? I've only ever found stuff for synaptics touchscreens while searching. |
| 22:41.15 | tremo | sata only. :-/ |
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| 22:41.56 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: That's not necessarily true, but you need to mount it as root with user rw permissions (and x for folders). |
| 22:42.14 | tremo | no funding for sys. |
| 22:42.17 | tremo | *sas |
| 22:42.18 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: how would i do that at the moment i do the following encfs ~/.folder ~/folder |
| 22:43.05 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: I'm afraid you'll have to check the options for encfs (man encfs) - I know how to do it with mount, but not that. |
| 22:43.34 | cra1g321 | how could i make a menu entry in the MATE menu require a root password to run ? |
| 22:43.52 | TJP | joobus, I would be interested in knowing if you make a post somewhere about the drivers and such that you end up using. I was considering getting a yoga. |
| 22:44.01 | cra1g321 | for example if i click synaptic from the menu, it asks for root password, how can i do that for other programs ? |
| 22:44.09 | Psil0Cybin | okay thanks jhutchins |
| 22:45.16 | Psil0Cybin | yea i will try its wierd, like it says the folder is unknown |
| 22:45.32 | Psil0Cybin | but as root i can view it in terminal? |
| 22:45.36 | Psil0Cybin | so your saying your advice would fix that? |
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| 22:47.41 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Just saw your question. Here's my shell script for identifying drives: "for d in /dev/sd?; do SZ=$(cat /sys/block/${d##*/}/size); if [ $SZ -gt 0 ]; then for s in {2048..20480..2048}; do echo "Blinking LED on $d"; sudo dd status=none if=$d iflag=direct of=/dev/null bs=512 count=2048 skip=$((SZ-s)); sleep 2; done; fi; done " |
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| 22:47.49 | joobus | TJP: debian loaded the driver and recognized the touchscreen no problem. but there is no gesture support so no pinch-to-zoom, 2 finger swipe, etc. |
| 22:48.45 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, uh, nobody seems to be using SES? |
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| 22:48.55 | TJ- | thewanderer1: if the enclosures support SAF-TE, then there's http://oss.metaparadigm.com/safte-monitor/ |
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| 22:49.11 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: You need to figure out how to get it mounted so the folder is rwxrwxrwx and the files are rw- |
| 22:49.35 | TJ- | thewanderer1: The issue is how to link the drive path to the enclosure; depending on udev rules, you might have info in "/dev/disk/by-path/" |
| 22:49.37 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins and that would solve my problem of , it showing the folder as a file and saying it is Unknown? |
| 22:49.38 | TJP | joobus, DId you encounter any other difficulties on your yoga? |
| 22:49.42 | Psil0Cybin | that is just what I do not understand? |
| 22:49.46 | joobus | TJP: also, there is a sensor that determines orientation and rotates the screen in win8, but in linux I don't have this working. One can call a commandline function to twist the screen, and that works ok, but the orientatin of the mouse doesn't change with it so it is kinda worthless atm. |
| 22:49.55 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: I think it should. |
| 22:50.14 | Psil0Cybin | Alright thank you. |
| 22:50.17 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, I can only see my drives by WWN in by-path/ |
| 22:50.27 | TJP | huh |
| 22:50.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ?eryn |
| 22:50.43 | joobus | TJP: i did a netinstall and that required having the wireless driver on a usb stick also |
| 22:50.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
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| 22:51.06 | TJ- | thewanderer1: As I said, you'd need udev rules that could figure out enclosure <> drive relationships and create the by-path sym-links |
| 22:51.06 | TJP | the last is somewhat standard though. |
| 22:51.17 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: it was the ubuntu guide i was probably going for, is it maybe because i am missing fuse? |
| 22:51.31 | Psil0Cybin | or you have a feeling the rww, would solve all the issues? and i sould not be getting anything more? |
| 22:51.40 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: That could be a problem, yes. |
| 22:51.43 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, what would the rules use under the hood? I've been trying my luck with sg_ses but no dice... |
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| 22:52.49 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, it just seems that the "enclosure" (backplane, really) won't give up any information about the drives, even their WWN - so I have WWNs in `lsscsi -t`, bay indices in `sg_ses -p es /dev/sg4`, and no relation whatsoever between the two |
| 22:52.56 | joobus | TJP: basically touchscreen support just isn't there in linux right now. |
| 22:53.06 | apg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.10 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That'd depend on the enclosure and tools that udev could call to identify the relationships |
| 22:53.13 | TJP | Testing? |
| 22:53.33 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, sure enough, bay staus can be seen ("OK"), but not the drives that are in the bays |
| 22:53.42 | jhutchins | joobus: Oh you are SO wrong. |
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| 22:54.07 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: http://www.howtoforge.com/encrypt-your-data-with-encfs-debian-wheezy maybe i am making a mistake as mounting it as root? |
| 22:54.22 | joobus | jhutchins: ummm, ok |
| 22:54.23 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, not sure if it's a show-stopper, but my enclosure does not report support for Additional Element Status |
| 22:54.26 | jhutchins | Touchscreen support has been solid for ages. IBM's POS solution is SuSE. |
| 22:55.13 | jhutchins | I have probably built a couple thousand Linux touchscreen terminals, and I stopped in 2008. |
| 22:56.18 | joobus | jhutchins: touchsreen with gestures, pinch to zoom, 2 and 3 finger swiping, etc? or just 1 touch is equivalent to a left click of the mouse? |
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| 22:56.40 | jhutchins | joobus: Well, like I said, 2008... |
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| 22:57.21 | joobus | jhutchins: i can touch my screen and have it left click, but that's it. |
| 22:58.43 | jhutchins | What's the actual device detect as? |
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| 22:59.41 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: fixed it, added my self to group fuse? |
| 22:59.48 | Psil0Cybin | That is not bad idea right? or is it not a secure choice? |
| 23:00.00 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Sounds like exactly the right way to do it. |
| 23:00.07 | Psil0Cybin | thank you so much jhutchins. |
| 23:00.13 | bbtech | So, I'm getting the thrown into "emergency mode" when booting. Here is the log. I can't find anything wrong. Help? http://pastebin.com/B39vgxSj |
| 23:00.16 | jhutchins | joobus: What's the actual device detect as? |
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| 23:00.19 | joobus | Bus 003 Device 005: ID 04f3:000a Elan Microelectronics Corp |
| 23:00.59 | bbtech | *this is after an upgrade to testing |
| 23:02.26 | TJ- | thewanderer1: have you see this? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/36915/locate-disk-in-sas-enclosure |
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| 23:04.02 | jhutchins | bbtech: Did you determine whether lightdm was attempting to start? |
| 23:05.15 | bbtech | jhutchins:it looks like it is not attempting to start. The log is a few hours old. |
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| 23:07.02 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, yes - the thing is, there is no "device" subdirectory in my /sys/class/enclosure/1:0:4:0/0/ |
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| 23:07.50 | bbtech | Here is my xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/d4DYyEeH |
| 23:08.25 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, I can even operate the SES LED via /sys/class/enclosure/1:0:4:0/0/locate - but still no idea if it's sda, sdb... |
| 23:08.53 | bbtech | I don't see the source of the problem or why I'm getting put into emergency mode |
| 23:09.11 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That presumably is to do with the limited data the SES returns |
| 23:10.14 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Would evidence be in each block device's device path - maybe includes the scsi ID of the enclosure/slot ? |
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| 23:12.40 | TJ- | thewanderer1: e.g "ls -l /sys/dev/block/ | grep 'sd.$' " |
| 23:12.57 | hassoon | d'oh, what's with this error when i try to download a given package E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 23:13.06 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, /dev/disk/by-path/scsi-35000cca01d2944a4 -- doesn't look familiar... |
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| 23:14.18 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, the symlink targets look like this: ../../devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:02.2/0000:83:00.0/host1/port-1:0/expander-1:0/port-1:0:0/end_device-1:0:0/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0/block/sda |
| 23:14.41 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That looks like it shows the port |
| 23:14.44 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, but I know those are not correct - they correspond to "virtual" ports, as presented by `lsscsi`, but not to physical bays |
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| 23:15.25 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, according to SES, bays (array elements) 0, 2, 4 and 6 are populated while the others are free |
| 23:15.30 | TJ- | thewanderer1: As long as the physical bay <> virtual port relationship remain constant over reboots, you can construct a udev rule to build symlinks |
| 23:15.55 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, that's what I don't know whether to assume - it might be a tricky assumption, though |
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| 23:16.28 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, now, the disks are in every 2nd bay - if I add more in between, they could easily get re-ordered... |
| 23:17.05 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Can you pastebin the output of "ls -l /sys/dev/block/ | grep 'sd.$' " so I can see what your system shows? |
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| 23:18.24 | jhutchins | bbtech: Use something like rcconf or dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and see if you can get it to start. |
| 23:18.46 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, http://paste.debian.net/119243/ |
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| 23:19.35 | TJ- | thewanderer1: OK, so those port numbers are being assigned as the drives are discovered then |
| 23:19.54 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, affirmative - compare to lsscsi output: http://paste.debian.net/119244/ |
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| 23:21.30 | TJ- | thewanderer1: So as we thought, a limitation of the expander |
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| 23:22.26 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, good, now I can go and bug the OEM about it :) |
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| 23:23.24 | TJ- | thewanderer1: It'd be interesting to get a udev log capture when the enclosure and devices were discovered; there could be information that isn't being used that would allow a rule to be created. |
| 23:24.02 | TJ- | thewanderer1: does the system have a "/var/log/udev" from the last boot? |
| 23:24.22 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, doesn't seem to have a /var/log/udev at all |
| 23:25.21 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Ahhh, maybe an Ubuntu specific operation then - the initrd .udev log is moved to that location after the root file-system is mounted and ready |
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| 23:26.18 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, w00t - I've just seen a "port number" in dmesg. Of all places! |
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| 23:26.56 | TJ- | thewanderer1: different to the port numbers we see in the sysfs ? |
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| 23:28.09 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, yes! |
| 23:28.28 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That info will also be available to udev |
| 23:28.31 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, this http://paste.debian.net/119245/ |
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| 23:29.10 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, the "slot" matches perfectly |
| 23:29.23 | TJ- | thewanderer1: I suspect then, you might find a node in sysfs that does show those slot numbers, you just need to dig for it |
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| 23:30.22 | TJ- | thewanderer1: how about "sudo find /sys -type f -name '*slot*' " for starters? |
| 23:30.27 | bbtech | jhutchins:I'm not looking at what is mounted and I've noticed I don't have a swap or /boot mounted |
| 23:30.46 | bbtech | jhutchins:however, the encrypted / partition is mounted |
| 23:31.02 | bbtech | jhutchins:does that sound correct? |
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| 23:32.15 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, already tried that, but no dice - though I *have* found out the bay number mapping |
| 23:32.19 | thewanderer1 | brace yourself... |
| 23:32.35 | thewanderer1 | /sys/devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:02.2/0000:83:00.0/host1/port-1:0/expander-1:0/port-1:0:3/end_device-1:0:3/sas_device/end_device-1:0:3/bay_identifier |
| 23:33.01 | bbtech | jhutchins: *meant to say, I *am* looking at what is mounted |
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| 23:33.57 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, I should probably put up a script somewhere... O.o |
| 23:34.11 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That was what I was after; so you have the information ... what does the 'cat' of that 'file' report? |
| 23:34.31 | apg | quit |
| 23:34.33 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, it reports the correct bay number (in SES terms) |
| 23:34.33 | TJ- | thewanderer1: This is the info a udev rule can use |
| 23:34.33 | apg | exit |
| 23:34.59 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Can you capture a udev log for me, I think I can knock up a udev rule for you? |
| 23:35.39 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, ok, how? |
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| 23:36.37 | TJ- | thewanderer1: "sudo udevadm monitor --kernel --property >/tmp/udev.log& sudo udevadm trigger" then bring the monitor to the foreground "fg" and stop it Ctrl+C |
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| 23:39.32 | TJ- | thewanderer1: also can you pastebin the result of "for n in /sys/devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:02.2/0000:83:00.0/host1/port-*/expander-*/port-*/end_device-*/sas_device/end_device-*/bay_identifier; do echo "$n = $(cat $n)"; done" |
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| 23:40.21 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, http://paste.debian.net/119246/ |
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| 23:42.26 | bbtech | jhutchins: when I do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm. I get a message Job for dbus.service failed |
| 23:42.55 | bbtech | then I do a systemctl status dbus.service |
| 23:43.07 | bbtech | and get Unit dbus.service cannot be reloaded because it is inactive |
| 23:43.16 | TJ- | thewanderer1: OK, looks like the common stub for getting the bay_identifier and block device is "host1/port-1:0/expander-1:0/port-1:0:0/end_device-1:0:0/" |
| 23:43.26 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, the udev log is 312K apparently... |
| 23:43.26 | bbtech | is getting close to reinstalling debian :-( |
| 23:43.37 | somiaj | bbtech: what version of debian? I thought dbus was provided by systemd |
| 23:43.46 | TJ- | thewanderer1: sounds about right |
| 23:43.47 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, yeah, I've tried and put together a `find -path` expression for it |
| 23:43.52 | bbtech | somiaj: I just upgraded to testing |
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| 23:44.23 | bbtech | somiaj: and now it boots me into emergency mode |
| 23:44.24 | TJ- | thewanderer1: ... can you pastebin the result of this: "find /sys/devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:02.2/0000:83:00.0/host1/port-1:0/expander-1:0/port-1:0:0/end_device-1:0:0/* -type d -name 'block' " ? |
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| 23:45.46 | somiaj | bbtech: well I would fix the booting, maybe disable your display manager by 'echo false > /etc/X11/default_display_manager' and at least get your machine so it boots correctly, after that worry about getting yoru displaymanager/x working |
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| 23:46.17 | somiaj | bbtech: also what is emergency mode -- not use to that termonology |
| 23:46.22 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, http://paste.debian.net/119247/ |
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| 23:47.25 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That's good, only one 'block' device reference in each sub-tree |
| 23:47.25 | bbtech | somiaj:emergency mode is defined in the first comment on this page: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=116524 |
| 23:48.01 | bbtech | somiaj: it happens after grub. I pass grub and then get a black screen for 60 seconds and then get a emergency mode prompt |
| 23:48.03 | somiaj | bbtech: yea the bug report I found suggests that it will drop you there if you can't deal with fstab correctly. Do you have any usb drives or the likes mentioned in there that you removed? |
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| 23:48.43 | bbtech | somiaj: I have one usb drive attached but I didn't remove anything |
| 23:48.55 | bbtech | somiaj: my primary drive is encrypted |
| 23:48.56 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, the most important for me originally was getting *any* mapping between the drives and the bays, so even the "virtual port numbers" from lsscsi translated to disk bays suffice for daily use |
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| 23:49.59 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, would your udev rule create a symlink to /dev/sd* indicating which bay it's in? |
| 23:50.15 | bbtech | somiaj: I just rebooted after turning off the display manager and got the exact same result |
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| 23:51.54 | somiaj | bbtech: I am not that experience with systemd yet to know the best fix, but sounds like it is having trouble mounting your file system |
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| 23:52.20 | bbtech | the encrypted root file system is mounted |
| 23:52.52 | bbtech | the /boot partition is not mounted |
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| 23:53.38 | bbtech | somiaj:ok, thanks for trying. I think I will just start from scratch :-/ |
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| 23:59.48 | TJ- | thewanderer1: I'm working on one now; creating "/dev/disk/by-bay/${bay_identifier}-sd?" which would sym-link to "/dev/sd?" but it would be better if linked to the /dev/sgX target needed by sg_ses |
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