| 00:00.49 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, won't work - you need to refer to the bays by the backplane (you can't tell the disk to light itself up) |
| 00:01.08 | thewanderer1 | i.e. all --set, --get, --clear calls go through the expander's SG device |
| 00:01.41 | TJ- | thewanderer1: That's what I just said ... it'd be better if linked to the /dev/sgX target |
| 00:02.05 | TJ- | thewanderer1: but I'm doing one step at a time; not yet seen a linkage from what we have to the sdX nodes |
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| 00:03.38 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, not sure if the block device links should lead to the enclosure's SG - after all, they're in /dev/disk, so they should behave like disks... |
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| 00:04.47 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, might be better to call them expander${expander_number}-bay${bay_identifier} and link directly to disk block devices |
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| 00:04.55 | TJ- | thewanderer1: /dev/enclosure/ then |
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| 00:05.11 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, more sensible, yeah |
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| 00:05.44 | TJ- | thewanderer1: The key thing is you want to use a known block device name and be able to use a symlink from it that leads to an sgX device |
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| 00:06.00 | TJ- | thewanderer1: If you can put the udev log someplace I can extract the info I need |
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| 00:07.07 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Is "/sys/devices/pci0000:80/0000:80:02.2/0000:83:00.0/host1/port-1:0/expander-1:0/port-1:0:0/end_device-1:0:0/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0/block/sda" a sylink to the actual block device? |
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| 00:09.42 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, no, it's a directory and doesn't contain a link to /dev/sda on any level as evidenced by ls -lR |
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| 00:15.50 | TJ- | thewanderer1: What does "ls -l /dev/sdg*" report? |
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| 00:17.18 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, for `ls -l /dev/sg*` (not sdg*), five files /dev/sg[0-4], non-symlink |
| 00:17.35 | thewanderer1 | for sdg*, no results |
| 00:17.54 | TJ- | thewanderer1: ooops :) |
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| 00:18.58 | TJ- | thewanderer1: OK, so they're major:minor nodes ... do the minors match the virtual port numbers? |
| 00:19.55 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, yup |
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| 00:22.44 | TJ- | thewanderer1: So how about if you end up with: "/dev/enclosure/expander-1:0_port-1:0:${Y}_${BAY}-sd${X} -> /dev/sg${Y}" |
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| 00:24.28 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, that links to the scsi-generic device name |
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| 00:25.12 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, SES is inaccessible via such a link, i.e. you'd still have to know which expander to use manually |
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| 00:26.40 | TJ- | thewanderer1: isn't the purpose to be able to blink the light on the bay containing the block device, so you'd do "sg_ses --set=ident /dev/enclosure/<node>" which would be equivalent to "sg_ses --set=ident /dev/sg0" ? |
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| 00:27.26 | TJ- | thewanderer1: Ahhh, no, I see what you mean, sgX is the enclosure target |
| 00:28.40 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, unfortunately, I can only ident by this: `sg_ses --set=ident --index=${bay_identifier} /dev/${enclosure_device}` |
| 00:29.44 | thewanderer1 | this is why I needed to know the bay number (index) in the first place :P |
| 00:29.52 | TJ- | thewanderer1: OK, how about a different tack - a shell script in /usr/local/bin/ that simply figure out the correct "sg_ses" parameters and uses them? |
| 00:30.18 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, yup, I'm working on it ;) |
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| 00:30.43 | nepp | I installed firmware-ralink, but when I run `nmcli dev wifi` I still get nothing |
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| 00:30.58 | abrotman | nepp: did you reload the driver? |
| 00:31.14 | nepp | abrotman: no, modprobe or service? |
| 00:35.20 | nepp | abrotman: ? |
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| 00:37.45 | nepp | also, when I press alt+[number] to change irssi windows, I get ±²³´µ¶·¸¹ (for 1-9). how can I fix that? |
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| 00:39.19 | willmore | Is there a quick apt-get kind of way to tell debian to stop holding back updates? |
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| 00:41.57 | nepp | rebooted and it works :/ |
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| 00:43.20 | abrotman | willmore: install the package |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | nepp: yes, sorry, reload the module with modprobe, or reboot :) |
| 00:43.45 | nepp | heh |
| 00:43.45 | nepp | thanks |
| 00:44.00 | willmore | abrotman, ?? If I do an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade it says it's holding back some updates. |
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| 00:46.02 | abrotman | willmore: apt-get install <heldpackage> |
| 00:46.17 | willmore | abrotman, can I give it a list? |
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| 00:48.53 | willmore | man page (took 10 seconds to come up) implies I can. let's find out once the (running) apt-get update finishes. |
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| 00:51.47 | cynicallemon | willmore: apt-get install <package1> <package2> |
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| 00:52.48 | abrotman | willmore: sure |
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| 00:53.26 | dildobaggins | I'm trying to get my debian iso to install but am having some troubles. |
| 00:53.33 | dildobaggins | Is it enough to just extract the iso onto the usb? |
| 00:53.40 | willmore | Will that clear the flag that held it back? Or am I going to need to do this next time? |
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| 00:54.47 | thewanderer1 | TJ-, https://github.com/rkaw92/sas-utils and I'm off to sleep :) |
| 00:55.44 | dildobaggins | When preparing my usb drive for installation, what do I have to do? I downloaded an iso utility called PowerIso and extracted the iso to the usb device |
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| 00:55.51 | thingfish | dildobaggins: no, that is not sufficient. You need to burn the image to the drive somehow. Unetbootin will do that, and it's available in Debian. Some people don't like unetbootin, though. |
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| 00:56.15 | cynicallemon | dildobaggins: you doing this on windows? |
| 00:56.15 | dildobaggins | cynicallemon: Yes |
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| 00:56.31 | cynicallemon | dildobaggins: windiskimager32 is good for this |
| 00:56.31 | dildobaggins | And I had some issue with uefi but I have since changed it to boot under legacy options, whatever that does |
| 00:56.57 | dildobaggins | Yeah, I thought I had to burn it to the usb but PowerIso didn't even allow the option to extend to external drives :P |
| 00:57.06 | dildobaggins | Thanks for the software suggestion |
| 00:57.07 | RayzrShrp | i used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and went through the config for internet host. I can send outbound but cant receive inbound |
| 00:57.08 | RayzrShrp | any ideas? |
| 00:57.15 | cynicallemon | dildobaggins: that will copy the iso image to a usb |
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| 00:57.39 | RayzrShrp | mail logs appear to show nothing |
| 00:57.40 | dildobaggins | cynicallemon: Thanks |
| 00:58.28 | RayzrShrp | is there somewhere i should be looking in particular? |
| 00:59.00 | cynicallemon | RayzrShrp: local firewall and port forwarding on your router |
| 01:00.37 | RayzrShrp | cynicallemon: this is running on a digital ocean VPS |
| 01:00.42 | RayzrShrp | cynicallemon: so no firewall |
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| 01:01.34 | cynicallemon | digital ocean have some good tutorial about setting up mail servers |
| 01:01.57 | cynicallemon | not sure if exim4 is covered, but postfix is |
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| 01:02.19 | RayzrShrp | would you say postfix is better then exim4? i just went with exim4 since its the default in debian |
| 01:02.30 | RayzrShrp | i've had postfix working in the past but wanted to try something new |
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| 01:03.13 | cynicallemon | exim4 is used by many but postfix seems to be the popular choice as a rule |
| 01:03.49 | RayzrShrp | is there a way to undo my exim4 config back to the out of box config? |
| 01:04.20 | RayzrShrp | is there a way to undo my exim4 config back to the out of box config? |
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| 01:06.49 | cynicallemon | apart from a dpkg-reconfigure and setting the defaults i guess you would have to purge exim4 and reinstall it |
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| 01:07.14 | dildobaggins | If I setup my computer to help other people torrent a boat load of distros, how much bandwidth do you think I could go through in a 24 hour period if I can upload at 200 Mbps? |
| 01:07.26 | dildobaggins | Let's just say 10 MBps |
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| 01:07.35 | dildobaggins | I mean 20 |
| 01:07.41 | RayzrShrp | cynicallemon: yeah i think i did that in the past and it nevers goes well lol |
| 01:07.59 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 01:08.17 | dildobaggins | Well, off to test the iso |
| 01:08.37 | dildobaggins | Does UEFI mess up a lot of how it used to work with just reinstalling grub or something like that to dual boot? |
| 01:08.37 | cynicallemon | dildobaggins: good luck |
| 01:08.46 | dildobaggins | I remember it used to be pretty easy |
| 01:08.52 | dildobaggins | But things have changed |
| 01:09.04 | cynicallemon | UEFI is a %U^^$$E& |
| 01:09.06 | dildobaggins | Because I didn't have uefi earlier, but now I do |
| 01:09.26 | dildobaggins | I'll be able to get my Windows partition back with just a little bit of hassle, right? |
| 01:09.27 | dildobaggins | Not much? |
| 01:09.46 | cynicallemon | RayzrShrp: try this - http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-exim4-mail-server-in-ubuntu-and-linuxmint/ |
| 01:09.51 | dildobaggins | It already told me I couldn't boot from a usb drive but I got that fixed |
| 01:09.52 | dildobaggins | :P |
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| 01:10.30 | dildobaggins | Oh well |
| 01:10.33 | dildobaggins | Try first and figure it out second |
| 01:10.53 | cynicallemon | :) |
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| 01:12.21 | dildobaggins | taken from a Ubuntu page "If you have Windows on UEFI for example and you install Ubuntu on Legacy Mode, you will only be able to boot to Ubuntu on a Legacy Mode and Windows on an UEFI Mode." |
| 01:12.25 | dildobaggins | That wouldn't really be that bad |
| 01:12.31 | dildobaggins | The switch only takes a few seconds on startup |
| 01:12.40 | dildobaggins | And I wouldn't even have to switch anything if I didn't need to switch OS |
| 01:13.08 | dildobaggins | since I have to do Legacy Mode to skip the Secure Boot options, it looks like this will be the case |
| 01:13.20 | dildobaggins | See you on the other side |
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| 01:20.37 | nepp | I have networkmanager installed and running, but even when it's connected to my wifi network, I can't touch the network at all |
| 01:20.48 | nepp | well, "connected", not sure if it really is |
| 01:21.00 | nepp | can't even access the router at 192.168.0.1 unless I have ethernet in |
| 01:22.25 | RayzrShrp | cynicallemon: nope no dice |
| 01:22.42 | nepp | also, when I right click nm-applet, "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wi-Fi" are both checked and grey, so I can't deselect them. my *nix issue intuition tells me this may be related |
| 01:23.35 | Brigo | i do not know much about network manager, but it looks like a driver issue. |
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| 01:24.12 | Brigo | can you paste the /var/log/kern.log in paste.debian.net? |
| 01:24.16 | nepp | which driver? wifi antenna? it can still see the network fine, and I had this same version of this same driver on my last install |
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| 01:25.53 | nepp | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/119255/ |
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| 01:27.44 | Brigo | It may be the problem: wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:17:9a:32:7b:c8 by local choice (reason=3) |
| 01:28.08 | Brigo | but i need more logs, you paste only few lines :) |
| 01:30.11 | nepp | that's everything that's likely to be related, but here's everything in my terminal http://paste.debian.net/119256/ |
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| 01:36.50 | Brigo | nepp, i am not sure about what is your problem :-/ |
| 01:37.23 | nepp | ;_; |
| 01:37.36 | nepp | it works when I install the desktop environment by default, I'll just do that |
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| 02:03.11 | bilboo | Back! Need help to get my pc functional now that debian is installed. I'm on my phone at present |
| 02:03.48 | bilboo | Did not have wireless access during install off usb. Can't figure out how to get wired connection visible |
| 02:04.10 | bilboo | How can I get it visible on my fresh install? |
| 02:04.54 | bilboo | Interfaces has two lines. first line says auto lo |
| 02:05.09 | bilboo | Second line says iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:05.33 | bilboo | Any help would be much appreciated |
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| 02:08.09 | bilbopc | Got a faint wifi signal |
| 02:08.13 | bilbopc | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:08.27 | bilbopc | I don't think it configured stuff correctly since I had no wifi |
| 02:08.35 | bilbopc | The graphical installation didn't make it clear how to use wired internet |
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| 02:10.23 | bilbopc | Are there some basic networking tools my computer is missing that should help? |
| 02:10.31 | bilbopc | Or at least something I should change in interfaces to fix this? |
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| 02:17.28 | bilboo | Any suggestions? |
| 02:17.40 | bilboo | This is giving me a headache |
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| 02:19.20 | dvs | bilboo: What does "ip link" say? |
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| 02:21.36 | bilboo | dvs: It says 1: lo state unknown mode default and 2: wlan0 state down node default |
| 02:22.30 | dvs | bilboo: What does "lspci -nn | grep -i net" say? |
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| 02:23.33 | bilboo | dvs: it lists an Atheros Communications Ethernet Controller and an Atheros Wireless Network Adapter |
| 02:23.52 | dvs | bilboo: I need the numbers in square brackets |
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| 02:24.45 | bilboo | Ethernet controller [0200] and wireless network controller [0280] dvs |
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| 02:26.01 | dvs | bilboo: No, that's not the right format. |
| 02:26.15 | dvs | the ones at the end of the line |
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| 02:28.04 | bilboo | they are in () for me... ethernet controller [1969:10a1] (rev 13) and wireless [168c:0034] (rev 01) dvs |
| 02:28.28 | dvs | ,v pci-id 168c:0034 |
| 02:28.29 | judd | No package named 'pci-id' was found in i386. |
| 02:28.38 | bilboo | Thanks for trying to help |
| 02:28.39 | dvs | ,pci-id 168c:0034 |
| 02:28.42 | judd | [168c:0034] is 'AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0034 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 02:29.16 | dvs | there you go: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 02:29.26 | bilboo | I can connect to wireless networks but they all have passwords. I jave ethernet internet in back that won't work |
| 02:29.33 | bilboo | okay, opening on my phone |
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| 02:30.28 | bilboo | wireless already works dvs |
| 02:30.35 | dvs | ,pci-id 1969:10a1 |
| 02:30.36 | judd | [1969:10a1] is 'QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'alx' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:10a1 http://wiki.debian.org/alx |
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| 02:32.05 | dvs | bilboo: then what do you need help with? |
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| 02:32.39 | bilboo | I can't get any internet. no password for neighbors wifi but big issue is that ethernet internet is not working |
| 02:32.47 | bilboo | thus I have no internet access |
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| 02:33.20 | bilboo | this is fresh install and can't get internet working. that is the issue |
| 02:33.29 | dvs | bilboo: Then http://wiki.debian.org/alx it is. |
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| 02:34.03 | unfo | !ask =~ s/\."/. I suspect the problem is ___." |
| 02:34.03 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, unfo |
| 02:34.07 | unfo | !ask |
| 02:34.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:34.42 | bilboo | would type all that out if wasn't on phone |
| 02:35.15 | unfo | !ask =~ s/\."/. I suspect the problem is ___."/ |
| 02:35.15 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '\."', unfo |
| 02:35.22 | unfo | !ask =~ s/."/. I suspect the problem is ___."/ |
| 02:35.22 | dpkg | unfo: that's too long |
| 02:35.25 | unfo | :( |
| 02:35.32 | abrotman | unfo: please stop doing that |
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| 02:36.18 | unfo | abrotman: Hi! Because it would make the factoid too long? Or something else? |
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| 02:36.28 | abrotman | unfo: because you're being noisy, and not adding anything useful |
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| 02:36.54 | unfo | abrotman: do you admit that, in real life, it can be useful to ask the user what they suspect was the cause of the problem? |
| 02:37.11 | bilboo | awesome |
| 02:37.17 | bilboo | woops |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | unfo: still being noisy :) |
| 02:37.24 | bilboo | didn't mean to send that |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | unfo: do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | bilboo: you have no functional internet at all? or just not working wireless? |
| 02:37.51 | bilboo | dvs, AR9462 is not listed on that page. Is that an issue? |
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| 02:38.34 | bilboo | abrotman: seems wireless works but I have no wireless internet to use. I usually use ethernet (which is plugged in) but itnjs not showing up |
| 02:38.36 | dvs | bilboo: No, I think you need to install the backported kernel (but it will be a pain without an internet connection) |
| 02:38.46 | bilboo | So I am on my phone trying to get internet fixed |
| 02:39.17 | bilboo | every fucking time I try linux these issues crop up |
| 02:39.26 | unfo | abrotman: no. I was discussing the subject of bot factoids with some people in one of the Ubuntu channels. As part of the discussion, I was picking apart dpkg's "anyone" factoid, and thought of a possible improvement. But the improvement doesn't fit. |
| 02:39.28 | unfo | abrotman: Shall we move to another channel? #unfo maybe? |
| 02:39.41 | dvs | bilboo: Dont get super new hardware for linux |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | unfo: no, please stop messing with the bot, thank you |
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| 02:40.17 | bilboo | had super bad earlier and that wouldn't work |
| 02:40.22 | bilboo | So what do I do? |
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| 02:41.03 | dvs | super bad? |
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| 02:41.07 | abrotman | a movie? |
| 02:41.12 | dvs | heh |
| 02:41.29 | bilboo | It was a usb modem that connected wirelessly to phone grid |
| 02:41.48 | bilboo | I spent literally 100 hours trying to figure it out |
| 02:42.11 | bilboo | Now with great hardwired internet and new laptop can't get it working |
| 02:42.20 | bilboo | needless to say but I am a bit irritated |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | bilboo: I'd really suspect you need the backports kernel |
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| 02:43.10 | dvs | that's what the alx web page states. |
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| 02:43.37 | dvs | wishes kmuto came out of retirement |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | wishes dvs would become the new kmuto |
| 02:43.52 | bilboo | I dislike the idea of backport clutter and am not sure how to do this without internet |
| 02:43.57 | bilboo | kmuto? |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | bilboo: he used to make 'stable' installers with backported kernels .. great stuff |
| 02:44.38 | bilboo | wait |
| 02:44.42 | bilboo | the game has changed |
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| 02:44.55 | bilboo | I have limited wireless access now |
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| 02:45.36 | bilboo | Just update to testing as was original intention? |
| 02:45.59 | dvs | bilboo: quickly, follow the instructions while you can! |
| 02:46.04 | bilboo | and in that hardware shoukd be fixed |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | thinks hte bpo instructions would be better to try first |
| 02:46.29 | dvs | yeah, don't do testing. |
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| 02:47.02 | bilboo | Why? download too big risking corruption or dependency mayhem? |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | more to download, takes longer |
| 02:47.22 | dvs | backports is not risky |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | essentially the same end result relating to drivers |
| 02:47.54 | dvs | bilboo: it's called "testing" for a reason. |
| 02:48.18 | bilboo | was going to do testing anywayd I think |
| 02:48.32 | bilboo | this install already pisses me off so might as well try it in my mind |
| 02:48.46 | dvs | bilboo: ...and you think the problems you're having now is bad... |
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| 02:49.12 | bilboo | couldn't use sierra wireless usb modem in stable |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | use the bpo kernel |
| 02:49.45 | bilboo | but then if I want ti go to testing, do I have to fiddle with the backport? |
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| 02:50.28 | bilboo | lwill do the alx first |
| 02:50.53 | dvs | do it while you still have a connetion. |
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| 02:51.28 | somiaj | bilboo: no backport kernels are versioned such that the upgrade to jessie will happen and replace it with the jessie kernel. |
| 02:51.52 | bilboo | is that a comma after no? |
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| 02:52.27 | somiaj | bilboo: correct, sorry. No you won't have to fiddle with it (just make sure you have the kernel meta package installed from backports as well) |
| 02:52.32 | qwk | I deleted nginx.conf by a accident is there anyway I can get it back? I tried apt-get remove --purge nginx and then install |
| 02:52.55 | somiaj | !tell qwk about confmiss |
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| 02:53.18 | abrotman | qwk: it's probably nginx-common or something |
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| 02:54.04 | bilboo | on that link... |
| 02:54.14 | bilboo | it should say jessie instead of wheezy? |
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| 02:54.29 | bilboo | jessie-backports? |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | bilboo: no .. |
| 02:54.33 | bilboo | oj |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bilboo about bdo kernel |
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| 02:56.29 | qwk | somiaj, didnt get it back :/ |
| 02:56.38 | cantypefasternow | bilboo here |
| 02:56.45 | cantypefasternow | I'm on the limited connection |
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| 03:00.17 | cantypefasternow | Downloading what I hopefully need |
| 03:00.20 | cantypefasternow | :) |
| 03:00.21 | cantypefasternow | Thanks for all the help guys |
| 03:00.23 | cantypefasternow | I really hope this works |
| 03:00.37 | dvs | Downloading what? |
| 03:00.49 | cantypefasternow | the new kernel |
| 03:01.09 | dvs | ok |
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| 03:01.49 | bilboo | Internet connection was lost |
| 03:01.50 | bilboo | damn |
| 03:02.07 | dvs | shoulda hurried up |
| 03:02.09 | bilboo | What happens when the connection is kost while apt is getting stuff? |
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| 03:03.03 | somiaj | if you were just downloading it is fine, so no problem |
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| 03:03.28 | bilboo | When I retry the apt-get command, it wilk make sure nothing is messed up wjen it checks the hash? |
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| 03:03.57 | cynicallemon | bilboo: yep, you will be fine |
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| 03:05.14 | supaplex | bilboo: it's pretty robust. just try again and hopefully it'll work. |
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| 03:11.21 | bilboo | eta 8 mimutes. Don't know if it will last that long |
| 03:12.00 | cafuego | it keeps the partial file and contines that, it'll be fine |
| 03:12.23 | cafuego | ie: if it dies again, just restart it again |
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| 03:23.35 | bilboo | Flying at 157 kBps |
| 03:23.59 | bilboo | that might have been a record |
| 03:24.20 | bilboo | I wonder if these people know their wifi has no password |
| 03:24.33 | bilboo | Maybe they are just being nice. :) |
| 03:25.01 | bilboo | They can probably use a packet sniffer and see that they helped somebody out |
| 03:26.32 | bilboo | Restarting. |
| 03:26.34 | cynicallemon | bilboo: maybe its the nsa |
| 03:27.03 | bilboo | I choose 3.14 balh blah bpo right? |
| 03:27.10 | bilboo | and not 3.2? |
| 03:27.56 | bilboo | I guess I know a way to find out |
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| 03:29.12 | bilboo | It worked! |
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| 03:29.16 | bilboo | Hallelujah! |
| 03:29.25 | bilboo | Thanks a lot guys |
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| 03:30.02 | erik_ | Thanks a ton! |
| 03:30.20 | erik_ | Can't wait to setup a torrent client and start seeding out linux distros |
| 03:30.36 | erik_ | Our university internet just removed their 8 GB limit |
| 03:30.45 | rx_ | Packages (which is obsolete) is brolen in Jessie... it wont apply changes when installing package =( |
| 03:30.50 | erik_ | It is now free, so I really wanted to see what I could do with that lol |
| 03:30.52 | rx_ | broken* |
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| 03:31.37 | erik_ | What is the difference between Default Xsession and XFCE Session? |
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| 03:33.21 | iceogiv | Is there a way to install kde plasma 5 in wheezy |
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| 03:50.00 | Icegiv | Is there a repository containing Plasma 5 pre-compiled for wheezy |
| 03:50.13 | themill | unlikely |
| 03:50.53 | themill | In any case, it's not really ready for people who don't like compiling things ... |
| 03:51.30 | Icegiv | Okay I was just wondering thank you |
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| 03:58.55 | dontknow | hi! i want to build iceweasel with march=native flag. i learnt how to build packages in debian way. but how can i set my flags? |
| 04:01.43 | dontknow | GREAT!!! |
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| 04:03.55 | erik_ | :P |
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| 04:09.00 | erik_ | Is there an easy way to see everything I install with apt-get? |
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| 04:09.17 | erik_ | Nevermind, found it. |
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| 04:31.57 | osk2 | hi |
| 04:33.22 | osk2 | hi |
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| 04:33.57 | osk2 | I have a doubt in generating debian packages, dh_make generates the dpkg-divert? |
| 04:38.58 | osk2 | hi?? |
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| 04:39.54 | erik____ | Anyone here familiar with Transmission? |
| 04:40.54 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 04:40.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:40.58 | Shadow_7 | in a car? I kid... dpkg -l does most what's installed things |
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| 04:42.58 | erik____ | I was wondering if any of you had used Transmission and seen nothing happening on your downloads |
| 04:43.07 | erik____ | If yes, is it because the port is being used too much or isn't open? |
| 04:43.16 | erik____ | Is it risky to just have Transmission choose a random port each time it starts up? |
| 04:44.00 | erik____ | I keep getting "Downloading from 0 out of 0 peers - Idle" |
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| 04:45.09 | erik____ | I think I'll just try Deluge instead |
| 04:45.23 | Shadow_7 | depends on the clienst on the other end |
| 04:45.43 | Shadow_7 | if it's blocked via firewall, it wont matter which client is used |
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| 04:46.06 | peterrooney | erik____: Transmission has a self-test in the preferences pane to test your firewall |
| 04:47.28 | osk2 | tnks =P |
| 04:47.55 | osk2 | wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages |
| 04:47.58 | Shadow_7 | osk2: mentors.debian.net has some packaging details |
| 04:47.59 | osk2 | by |
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| 04:48.33 | erik____ | I don't get how I installed transmission, removed and purged it, then reinstalled it, and it remembered what I was trying to torrent |
| 04:48.35 | jmcnaught | osk2: to be fair, your question didn't make a lot of sense or have very many details |
| 04:48.43 | erik____ | Isn't --purge supposed to get rid of that stuff? |
| 04:49.28 | jmcnaught | erik____: purge only gets rid of system configuration files. transmission uses per-user config files in each user's $HOME directory |
| 04:49.30 | Shadow_7 | erik____: --purge is supposed to remove configurations... not users data |
| 04:49.33 | peterrooney | erik____: No. --purge NEVER touches user settings, only system settings. |
| 04:49.43 | erik____ | thanks, guys |
| 04:50.03 | erik____ | The "Test Port" for transmission doesn't really do anything. It just says "Testing port..." for a long time |
| 04:50.16 | erik____ | So maybe it would be best to try something else :P |
| 04:50.28 | Shadow_7 | tcpdump can help see what it's waiting on |
| 04:50.39 | jmcnaught | erik____: did you configure your router to forward that port? |
| 04:51.27 | erik____ | jmcnaught: Not sure how to do that. I'm pretty nooby at all this stuff. I don't own a router. The connection comes out of the wall |
| 04:51.57 | Shadow_7 | erik____: then the connected computer is the "router"... via dhcp or other means |
| 04:51.57 | osk2 | not even make much sense = P |
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| 04:52.29 | osk2 | thanks =D |
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| 04:52.49 | erik____ | So it is probably a blocked port on my computer, Shadow_7? |
| 04:53.23 | Shadow_7 | erik____: or throttled to low to be useful trends of american ISPs |
| 04:53.28 | jmcnaught | erik____: bittorrent needs a port open on your public IP address to work properly. Users at home connecting to a consumer router would configure port forwarding. If you're connecting to some other kind of network, the network admins would need to configure that for you. Using a different bittorrent client won't fix this problem |
| 04:54.50 | erik____ | jmcnaught: I found an open port, can I use it? Or is there a risk with that? |
| 04:55.14 | erik____ | Ex: port 1666 |
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| 04:56.22 | erik____ | Or is it assumed that if your os and passwords are secure, you shouldn't have to worry about much? |
| 04:56.32 | erik____ | Or would using certain ports slow down paricular tasks? |
| 04:56.44 | jmcnaught | erik____: what kind of risk are you worried about? If your torrent client has some sort of vulnerability, it won't make a difference which port it's on. I'd be more concerned with the risks of violating your network's acceptable use policy. |
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| 04:57.26 | erik____ | jmcnaught: I'm only concerned with the security of my computer. I'm trying to understand in slightly more specific terms what is going on. |
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| 05:01.27 | jmcnaught | erik____: the port you use for bittorrent has nothing to do with security. If the torrent client has security updates, you'll get them the same way all software is updated on Debian. The stuff you download might be a security risk though, depending on where it comes from |
| 05:02.29 | erik____ | jmcnaughgt: I was just happy with getting my Debian install going and wanted to spread some of the joy by helping seed stuff for my first time. Just wanted to know that the practice wasn't inherently risky |
| 05:02.46 | erik____ | seed linux distros since I used up someone's bandwidth getting my iso |
| 05:03.06 | erik____ | It is cool that you can get a decent list of people you've helped |
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| 05:04.08 | jmcnaught | erik____: i don't see anything risky about that unless it's breaking the rules for the network. There's lots you can read about bittorrent online if you're curious, I'm sure the Wikipedia article is quite informative. Also did you know in most IRC clients you can start typing a nick and hit <TAB> to complete automatically? :) |
| 05:04.47 | erik____ | Yeah, I knew that. :P Sometimes forget. Heh |
| 05:05.25 | jmcnaught | erik____: tab completion works on the command line too |
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| 05:07.28 | erik____ | I'm surprised the uploads are so slow |
| 05:08.04 | erik____ | All the ones I have are uploading at abou 10 kbps |
| 05:08.28 | erik____ | I guess it would depend on the receiver's internet. 36 seeders * 10 = someone's internet speed somewhere I guess |
| 05:09.22 | jmcnaught | erik____: i think the debian isos have some seeders with pretty fast connections. whenever i see the isos i barely see any traffic on them. I guess just leave it running in the background and check how much has been uploaded every once in a while |
| 05:09.51 | erik____ | Yeah |
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| 05:10.26 | erik____ | I could setup an external harddrive with 1 TB of Debian isos and try to seed everything lol |
| 05:10.35 | daniel-s | Hey |
| 05:10.47 | erik____ | Hello |
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| 05:11.15 | daniel-s | I'm not too familiar with Debian. I'm having a problem installing Debian testing into a virtualmachine, should I search for a similar bug, then file one if I don't find it? |
| 05:12.19 | pfsense_rookie | Hello, I am using Debian Stable and I have started to experience severe slowdown on the gnome-shell (running the default Gnome 3 Desktop Environment). I have this installation for no longer than 3 weeks. It was all very sudden. I've checked Bash's history and there is nothing significant that may have affected this. I have already checked all BIOS option (some affect CPU frequency) and it was doing well in lower frequencies and I have tried raising t |
| 05:12.19 | pfsense_rookie | hem afterwards to no avail. Where else should I look? There's over 3GB memory free as well. |
| 05:13.33 | daniel-s | Are these all of the bugs filed against the debian installer? |
| 05:13.35 | daniel-s | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=installer |
| 05:13.48 | jmcnaught | daniel-s: sure, you can also describe the problem here in detail and maybe someone can help you. Also you could see if the problem exists with installing Debian Stable (Wheezy). It's better to start with Stable if you're new, so you can learn on something that's not a moving target. Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 05:15.20 | daniel-s | I haven't read the installation manual, but I suspect the problem in a bug for the installer. |
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| 05:17.21 | jmcnaught | daniel-s: and you don't want to try and troubleshoot it here? |
| 05:17.35 | daniel-s | The steps I took were to answer straightforward questions about location, keyboard, etc. I then partitioned the drive [1GB /boot, 1GB swap, ~80GB at /], I was asked to specify a mirror, I specified mirror.aarnet.edu.au, with directory /pub/debian, without a proxy. The installer does stuff, then hangs at 12% with the message "Running post-installation trigger libc-bin" |
| 05:18.27 | daniel-s | The installer is this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:18.36 | daniel-s | I selected LXDE as the alternative desktop. |
| 05:19.03 | jmcnaught | daniel-s: you could also try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, which is the official channel for debian testing. I use Wheezy myself, but I've seen it recommended that the preferred way is to install Wheezy and upgrade to Jessie. Have you found any similar bugs? Have you tried a different mirror? |
| 05:20.51 | jmcnaught | daniel-s: in the installer you can press Alt-F4 to see a more detailed output of what is happening. Alt-F1 to switch back to the installer. (Unless you used the graphical installer, in which case it's probably Ctrl-Alt-F4 to get to the detailed output, and Alt-F7 to get back to graphical installer) |
| 05:21.45 | daniel-s | No, I will try the alternative mirror. |
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| 05:25.35 | pfsense_rookie | I just realized my Debian Wheezy is no longer using a swap partition... I believe this happened when I installed a separate Debian version and did not give it a swap partition. Should I create a swap partition for each installation? They won't be running concurrently. |
| 05:25.47 | smartass | hi, could someone please explain to me how to mount aufs -o br:/:/path/to/underlay aufs /other/path |
| 05:26.17 | smartass | pfsense_rookie: unless you need hibernation, you can share it between them |
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| 05:26.55 | pfsense_rookie | Yes, I will need it. Thank you. |
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| 05:27.15 | smartass | the only way I found to mount it in such a way was to put a tmpfs layer between the overlay path and the mount path |
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| 05:28.13 | smartass | is there some simpler way? |
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| 05:42.08 | pfsense_rookie | Really strange... Well, Gnome 3 was slowing down because the system did no longer have a swap partition mounted. |
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| 05:47.10 | marbus90 | morning, [jessie] what was the command to purge mysql and reinstall it with clean config, without removing packages which depend on it? |
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| 05:56.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell marbus90 about confnew |
| 05:57.18 | msx | hello folks, is it right to asume that upcoming version 8 comes systemd-enabled? |
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| 05:57.52 | marbus90 | thanks, saved for next time :) |
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| 05:58.26 | abrotman | msx: yes |
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| 06:00.59 | msx | abrotman: hello :) |
| 06:01.35 | msx | i'm just curious about how the transition will be handled for the already installed systems |
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| 06:02.26 | msx | i'm not sure yet to go install current Wheezy and then manually switch to systemd or just wait for the upcoming release |
| 06:02.53 | msx | what you say? |
| 06:05.02 | smartass | msx: the switch during the release is likely to be thoroughly tested ... switching now on Wheezy may not be tested that much |
| 06:05.30 | msx | smartass: hello there! |
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| 06:06.06 | smartass | msx: hello ;) ... also, Wheezy ships with rather old systemd |
| 06:07.02 | msx | i apologize if a explained myself correctly, i meant how will be the transtion, if the switch to systemd will be automatic, will require manual intervention or if 'legacy' (let's use that fancy tag) systems won't be touched at all regarding the PID1 and init system |
| 06:07.18 | msx | (my English is very limited, I'm sorry for that) |
| 06:07.30 | msx | *incorrectly :P |
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| 06:07.48 | smartass | msx: hard to say at this moment |
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| 06:07.57 | msx | ahh okay! |
| 06:08.05 | smartass | msx: most likely it will be largely automatic |
| 06:08.30 | smartass | msx: but some manual intervention may be rquired if you have e.g. some custom services |
| 06:08.33 | msx | pfff, a bit scary :) |
| 06:08.42 | msx | absolutely |
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| 06:08.52 | msx | they will need to be converted to service units |
| 06:09.01 | smartass | msx: there most likely will be transitions script helpers, but they can do only so much |
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| 06:09.22 | msx | or hacked into some sort of rc.local compatibility service (as dirty as that might sound) |
| 06:09.27 | smartass | so I think that on simple systems it will be largely automatic |
| 06:09.37 | msx | ;er |
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| 06:10.04 | msx | perfect, i will start Wheezy deploy this weekend then |
| 06:10.10 | smartass | msx: what is your concern specifically? |
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| 06:10.20 | msx | it doesn't seem the transition will be that rude |
| 06:10.51 | smartass | msx: it's Debian, the transition is usually ok if you read the release notes |
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| 06:11.13 | msx | smartass: well, having to manually tweak all the systems after the upgrade... |
| 06:11.22 | msx | absolutely |
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| 06:11.35 | msx | Debian (r) |
| 06:11.37 | msx | ;) |
| 06:12.05 | smartass | msx: if you have a custom kernel, you may need to compile some options for systemd for instance |
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| 06:12.25 | smartass | msx: but if you use mainly packages from the main repo, you should be fine |
| 06:12.40 | msx | no i'm not, thankfully i can go pretty much vanilla with all my systems! |
| 06:13.17 | msx | weee! Debian <3 |
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| 06:15.22 | rastaval | hi guys.. are you familiar with gnotty? |
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| 06:19.34 | shay_shay | hello |
| 06:20.36 | msx | HACELO |
| 06:20.45 | shay_shay | I need to write a script which rsync my /boot each time a new kernel is installed, is apt-get capable of triggering this ? |
| 06:20.46 | msx | oops sorry, wrong # |
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| 06:27.24 | hmw_ | I don't think so, shay_shay. Then apt-get have to know that it is installing a pkg that is manipulating /boot. And AFAIK apt-get can't run a general post install script. |
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| 06:28.09 | shay_shay | hmw_: well i only need it when kernels are installed :/ |
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| 06:28.37 | shay_shay | seems overkill to run it every time i update |
| 06:28.43 | hmw_ | It's the same, apt-get don't know if you are installing a kernel. |
| 06:29.00 | laite^ | shay_shay: rsync is capable of noticing if something has changed on folder, so it's not that big of a deal |
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| 06:29.12 | hmw_ | Maybe you can write a wrapper script for apt-get? |
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| 06:32.16 | fishcooker | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8230256/ .. what's * means on line 2 of bash history? |
| 06:32.23 | fishcooker | #sorry for the ubuntu link |
| 06:32.33 | negge | need some quick help here, getting tired of all the Googling... I have two interfaces on my server, eth0 and eth0.100 (VLAN). Both are configured as "inet dhcp". The problem is that when eth0.100 is brought up it overrides the DNS information in /etc/resolv.conf, and I want to avoid that. How can I tell it to not add "domain" and "nameserver" entries to /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 06:32.34 | hmw_ | May I ask what you want to achieve, shay_shay? If you want to rsync the kernel to another machine for some reason, what's with the kernel modules? |
| 06:33.00 | shay_shay | nope |
| 06:33.07 | shay_shay | btrfs stuff ;) |
| 06:33.38 | shay_shay | i want to take complete system snapshots with subvolume and /boot is on a mdadm raid1 ext4 |
| 06:34.00 | msx | ahhh, was about to ask just that |
| 06:34.05 | hmw_ | OK |
| 06:34.11 | shay_shay | so i'm rsyncing the /boot to the btrfs subvolume so that when snapshots are taken they will be complete |
| 06:34.45 | shay_shay | i can just write a script to make the snapshots and have it rsync /boot first |
| 06:34.51 | shay_shay | not a big deal |
| 06:34.55 | hmw_ | Can you integrate the rsync-logic into your snapshot-logic? |
| 06:35.00 | shay_shay | yes^ |
| 06:35.06 | hmw_ | I was too slow ;) |
| 06:35.13 | Rovanion | Hi, where should binaries be installed when something like make install runs? /usr/local? |
| 06:36.13 | msx | Rovanion: doesn't that depends on upstream's intentions? |
| 06:36.37 | msx | some install in /usr/local, others not |
| 06:36.51 | Rovanion | msx: I'm upstream. My intention is to install stuff to a system without having it possibly collide with some other data installed by the package manager. |
| 06:37.24 | Rovanion | Where do I put my main binaries? |
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| 06:37.43 | msx | Rovanion: /usr/local seems a nice place to me :) |
| 06:38.09 | smartass | could someone help me with schroot setup to mount /overlay over / at /aufs ? |
| 06:38.23 | shay_shay | hmw_: i suppose the script could be made to remember what kernels we're there already and rsync it only if there is a change.. or is that pointless because that's what rsync is doing already? and rsync can be set to remove files from the destination if they're missing from the source right? |
| 06:39.53 | msx | shay_shay: why not just script a hook to trigger rsync before creating every snapshot? |
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| 06:41.04 | shay_shay | msx: i already decided to do that, you must have missed that part |
| 06:41.16 | shay_shay | :) |
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| 06:41.38 | msx | ahh, great! |
| 06:41.47 | hmw_ | Yepp, rsync transfers only changed data. But even if no data are changed it has to look at the receiving side to find out that nothing had changed. All in all rsync brings a good speedup, shay_shay. |
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| 06:43.33 | hmw_ | xx /boot is so small, I just would rsync without bookkeeping the changes. rsync has a --delete switch, with will delete stuff at the receiving side. Read the man page before you use that ;). |
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| 06:44.07 | cooldharma06 | hi all |
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| 06:45.07 | cooldharma06 | i am not able to login into my another system by "ssh hostname1" |
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| 06:46.19 | cooldharma06 | my /root/.ssh/config file is -> http://pastebin.com/z7d0JgWC |
| 06:46.30 | cooldharma06 | correct me if anything wrong |
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| 06:48.05 | msx | cooldharma06: it's wrong, let me show you: |
| 06:50.08 | msx | cooldharma06: PM |
| 06:50.17 | cooldharma06 | ok..:) |
| 06:50.56 | msx | enjoy! |
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| 06:59.28 | micw | hi. how do i install https://packages.debian.org/ko/jessie/jenkins-job-builder (from sid or jessie) on my wheezy box using apt? i'd like to get the deps from wheezy which should be no problem. |
| 06:59.54 | micw | i tried "apt-get -t jessie install jenkins-job-builder" but this fails |
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| 07:00.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell micw about ssb |
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| 07:01.48 | micw | abrotman, thank you. i know how to backport from source. but in this case i'd like to simply install the deb |
| 07:01.59 | abrotman | then just download it, dpkg -i it |
| 07:03.09 | micw | can i make apt download it (in the latest version available in sid)? this is part of my build machine provisioning, so i'd prefer to always get the latest version |
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| 07:04.04 | micw | i found this tutorial: http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-install-a-single-package-from-debian-sid-or-debian-testing |
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| 07:04.18 | smartass | micw: apt pinning can do that, but may pull in stuff you don't want ... it's not a well supported method, but YMMV |
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| 07:04.35 | micw | ah, i did not saw that they add "unstable" to the sources list |
| 07:04.47 | micw | that's not what i want ^^ |
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| 07:08.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell micw -about ssb |
| 07:08.23 | babilen | micw: Do *not ever* mix stable with anything but backports. Which package are you after? |
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| 07:09.27 | BenBE | babilen: With a proper APT-Pinning preferences file that's no problem if you know what you are doing. |
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| 07:09.48 | babilen | Ah, that has been mentioned already, but was apparently not what you are after. There is, however, no middle ground. You either install the package from sid (with all its dependencies) or compile it against the build environment on wheezy. |
| 07:10.53 | babilen | BenBE: You system will no longer resemble stable in any meaningful way and you would soon simply track some weird mix of releases. I am *not* saying that one cannot pull it off, but it is a lot of work and far from any supported configuration. |
| 07:11.07 | babilen | *Your system |
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| 07:11.54 | micw | babilen, the howto (the link i posted) shows both ways. either install the package from sid with deps from sid (using apt-get -t unstable install MYPACKAGE) |
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| 07:12.07 | shay_shay | aha msx hmw_ : http://www.debian-administration.org/article/177/Modifying_APT_logging_and_proxy_server_usage |
| 07:12.19 | micw | or install only the package from sid and the deps from wheezy (apt-get install MYPACKAGE/unstable) |
| 07:12.24 | BenBE | babilen: Well, I'm having a mix of oldstable (single explicit packages) up to experimental (single explicit packages) with most packages resolved to testing where possible, unstable where not otherwise possible and stble as a fallback ... |
| 07:12.36 | smartass | babilen: I'm working on a solution for this problem (it's a bit like Docker): chroot into an aufs overlay over / ... so outside the chroot you still have real stable, inside the overlay you can mix and with a just a few packages it is ok |
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| 07:12.55 | babilen | micw: Both are not advisable and the latter will fall through for most but the most trivial of packages. |
| 07:13.03 | BenBE | babilen: The system has been running for years now and I have little to no problems with any package conflicts or other bugs. |
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| 07:13.21 | micw | in this case it is atrivial package (just a python script) |
| 07:13.25 | BenBE | babilen: Did I mention this is a prod system? |
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| 07:13.52 | babilen | BenBE: I doubt that to be the case, but as I said earlier: I am not arguing that there is a set of packages that you can pull in from unstable without essentially having to upgrade half of your system. |
| 07:13.58 | smartass | BenBE: I'd be interested in you apt_preferences ... jst to see what "proper" means ;) |
| 07:14.23 | micw | i had been running a while on testing and did lots of backports (or simply manually installed from sid) when a bugfix was missing |
| 07:14.34 | micw | (on my desktop) |
| 07:14.35 | babilen | BenBE: I would kindly ask you to not advocate such a setup to other users in this channel. In particular if they are running production systems. |
| 07:14.37 | hmw_ | I learned something new, shay_shay ;) |
| 07:14.48 | babilen | Anyway, what's the *actual* issue we are trying to fix? |
| 07:15.06 | micw | but i found that if i want bleeding edge stuff, i'm better with archlinux ^^ |
| 07:15.26 | smartass | babilen: ok, what channel would be the right place to ask about mixing in aufs overlay? |
| 07:15.33 | babilen | I take my unstable over Arch, but isn't it great that everybody can use what he or she wants to?! |
| 07:16.00 | micw | of course it is |
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| 07:16.12 | babilen | smartass: I don't think that there is a specific channel for that topic. |
| 07:16.28 | msx | shay_shay: nice, i'm going to sleep now, will read it tomorrow, thank you :D |
| 07:17.02 | babilen | BenBE: Feel free to share things in the channel rather than /msg'ing people (or ask first) |
| 07:17.26 | smartass | babilen: and discussion about schroot? |
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| 07:18.13 | babilen | smartass: They do not have an IRC channel either AFAIK |
| 07:18.32 | smartass | babilen: ok, at least some channel related to such dev tools? |
| 07:19.12 | babilen | smartass: "/msg alis help list" |
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| 07:29.27 | shay_shay | micw: how is compiling things from AUR any easier than backporting things from sid? (hint: it's not, and it's much less reliable) |
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| 07:29.32 | shay_shay | </rant> |
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| 07:32.26 | micw | shay_shay, it is easier and it is reliable in most cases. and it is necessary only in few cases |
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| 07:33.32 | abrotman | micw: please try to stay on-topic :) |
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| 07:35.04 | micw | hey, i just answered ^^ |
| 07:35.19 | shay_shay | >:| |
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| 07:35.58 | dove | How do I get the side panel in gnome 3 at the bottom of the screen |
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| 07:37.08 | shay_shay | dove: i believe this may work https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/815/simple-dock/ |
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| 07:37.15 | abrotman | dove: I believe you want the extensisons |
| 07:37.19 | abrotman | which I can't spell |
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| 07:38.06 | dove | okay thank you |
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| 07:49.43 | Tau | hi. |
| 07:49.46 | Tau | i installed java from apt. |
| 07:49.53 | Tau | but it doesnt work with chrome nor iceweasel. |
| 07:50.09 | Tau | how can i enable it? |
| 07:50.53 | BenBE | babilen: You said yourself I shouldn't advertise it on the channel ;-) Besides it's one thing to share a config to an interested party vs. sharing it publically with the risk of loosing the context. |
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| 07:55.21 | abrotman | Tau: did you install the plugin? |
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| 07:56.18 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:56.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Tau about java plugin |
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| 07:59.19 | abrotman | did you restart the browser? |
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| 08:01.05 | babilen | Tau: Where do you test? (the java browser plugin test site doesn't work with Icedtea for example) |
| 08:01.41 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.47 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.50 | babilen | I'm also not sure if Icedtea integrates into Chrome (as opposed to Chromium or Iceweasel) |
| 08:01.51 | Tau | because it lacks java(tm). |
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| 08:02.13 | Tau | oh. i'm running chromium. |
| 08:02.29 | babilen | (you said chrome, hence that comment) |
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| 08:02.48 | Tau | sorry. |
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| 08:03.05 | babilen | You might need Oracle's plugin for that website, but I can't really test it. |
| 08:03.17 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.35 | babilen | it's not packaged, but you can install Oracle's Java with java-package |
| 08:03.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tau about java-package |
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| 08:04.44 | babilen | Might be worth a try, if that doesn't work either then we can take it from there. Some platforms require that even though OpenJDK is the official reference implementation (but then I haven't let Java touch my browser in a long time) |
| 08:05.32 | babilen | And apart from Danish (and other Scandinavian?) banks most European ones do not require it. |
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| 08:08.39 | Tau | it still fails. |
| 08:08.44 | Tau | after installing java-package. |
| 08:08.45 | Tau | :/ |
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| 08:16.14 | babilen | Tau: Does https://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp work for you now? |
| 08:16.41 | yottanami | I got this error http://dpaste.com/1KPER7Y when I want to stop some of my services, How can I fix this ? |
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| 08:27.19 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.28 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.30 | Tau | i click on ok |
| 08:27.35 | Tau | but it keeps as a grey box. |
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| 08:29.49 | babilen | Tau: How did you install the plugin/Oracle JRE ? |
| 08:30.36 | babilen | yottanami: On which release is that? |
| 08:30.58 | yottanami | babilen: Sid |
| 08:31.38 | babilen | yottanami: And where is /etc/init.d/php-cgi from ? (btw, those aren't errors but warnings) |
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| 08:32.29 | babilen | yottanami: fwiw, unstable and testing are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) |
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| 08:36.51 | bercerobryz | Hi guys |
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| 08:37.14 | bercerobryz | What are the most important folders to include in tar ball when making a full linux backup? |
| 08:37.25 | bercerobryz | Im on zentyal 3.2 (ubuntu) |
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| 08:38.31 | abrotman | bercerobryz: ask them, this channel is for Debian support (or ask ##linux) |
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| 08:38.37 | babilen | Tau: And you used that to install the JRE and plugin that you downloaded from Oracle as discussed on https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage (which was linked in the factoid the bot sent you) ? |
| 08:38.47 | cynicallemon | bercerobryz: / and everything off it |
| 08:38.58 | bercerobryz | I cant send msg on the channel :( |
| 08:39.18 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.21 | Tau | i got some warnings. |
| 08:39.22 | abrotman | bercerobryz: that's not our problem, this channel only supports Debian |
| 08:39.32 | abrotman | bercerobryz: take it up with the ops in that channel |
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| 08:39.51 | bercerobryz | Thanks |
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| 08:40.05 | babilen | Tau: As much as I want to I really can't read your screen from here. Would you be so kind to paste those warnings to http://paste.debian.net and share the URL? |
| 08:40.26 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.50 | Tau | http://codepad.org/v05QlAMD |
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| 08:44.17 | babilen | Tau: Those are some warnings and some errors. The most important are probably the ones related to libavcodec.so.52 and libavformat.so.52. You might want to consider installing applicable packages. |
| 08:44.37 | babilen | Tau: I'll be away for a second, but you probably have to fix that. Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 08:44.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tau -about apt-file |
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| 08:45.09 | shay_shay | Tau: minecraft or android |
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| 08:48.12 | babilen | Tau: If you are using wheezy you will, almost certainly, want to install the version from wheezy-backports and you probably need applicable libav* packages. |
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| 08:52.50 | Pontus | In partition tool when installing I can chose inode ratio on disk, what is the diference between standard and news? |
| 08:52.51 | littlebit | hello people, I have installed debian wheezy with xfce. I have an HDMI monitor with audio output, and I wondered if it is possible to have the same audio that goes out of the monitor also to come out on the 3.5mm audio jack of my onboard soundcard? |
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| 08:58.11 | jelly | littlebit: if you use pulseaudio, it can route outputs that way but I'm not sure how good it is at syncing them up |
| 08:58.31 | jelly | (it used to be buggy wrt hdmi audio, too) |
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| 08:59.15 | manstermouse | hello, i get "ERR: Couldn't read the first disk sector" when trying to boot HBCD 15.2 from an usb. Script line used by yumi is COM32 /HBCD/Boot/chain.c32 ntldr=/HBCD/grldr |
| 08:59.33 | heurist | Pontus: standard is almost always what you want, select news if you are running a news server and know what you are doing. the setting affects the numbers of files you can have and the size of the smallest. do not worry about it for most cases. |
| 09:00.07 | manstermouse | can anyone help |
| 09:01.06 | heurist | manstermouse: is HBCD debian? I am not familiar with it. this is a debian support channel. |
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| 09:01.40 | manstermouse | well i dont find yumi or syslinux support channel so i do hope some ppl might actually help me elsewhere |
| 09:02.28 | manstermouse | because i do think ppl here dont have the knowledge limited to debian |
| 09:03.47 | heurist | manstermouse: this channel is for debian support only though. maybe ask in ##linux for general linux issues. |
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| 09:05.08 | jelly | !syslinux |
| 09:05.08 | dpkg | SYSLINUX is a suite of boot loaders for x86 systems, supporting FAT/NTFS filesystems (SYSLINUX), bootable ISO-9660 CD-ROMs (ISOLINUX), PXE network booting (PXELINUX) and ext{2,3,4}/btrfs filesystems (EXTLINUX). Also includes MEMDISK for booting legacy operating systems (e.g. MS-DOS). Used in Debian x86 installation media. http://syslinux.zytor.com/ #syslinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <extlinux>, <pxelinux>. |
| 09:05.52 | Pontus | heurist, I am running a 4k disk it has 512e support but I like to run in native so I guesse I would have better performance running news and less inodes |
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| 09:07.02 | Tau | it seems i got java working with iceweasel but the site bank doesnt load in iceweasel. |
| 09:07.09 | Tau | however it fails to work with chromium yet. |
| 09:09.39 | littlebit | jelly: how do I do that exactly? |
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| 09:11.26 | jelly | littlebit: install pulseaudio and pavucontrol, log off and log back on, verify pulseaudio has started, then let your audio-playing app play and tune its output in pavucontrol |
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| 09:11.51 | heurist | Pontus: to the best of my knowledge that issue has been resolved years ago, the partitioning tools and kernel support 4k disks without issues. that inode setting is not related. |
| 09:12.15 | jelly | Pontus: "news" means 4x _more_ inodes. Use the default unless you expect having millions of files. |
| 09:12.30 | littlebit | jelly: pulseaudio and pavucontrol is installed, but I would like to have the audio on 2 outputs |
| 09:12.56 | Pontus | heurist, jelly thanks for the help and have a great day |
| 09:13.20 | jelly | littlebit: right, now run your app, make sure it plays something, then run pavucontrol |
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| 09:14.40 | littlebit | jelly: ok the app is running pavucontrol is up |
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| 09:15.42 | littlebit | jelly: now what? |
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| 09:16.46 | JazzOderNie | Hi. My lxde installation (developer/unstable compiled from source) broke after an apt-get dist-upgrade, so i decided to install xfce instead. what configs do i have to edit in order for xfce to start automatically on boot? |
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| 09:17.15 | jelly | littlebit: do you see your app in pavucontrol's Playback tab? |
| 09:17.36 | littlebit | jelly: it is there and I can select only 1 output of the 2 that I have. |
| 09:17.43 | cynicallemon | JazzOderNie: just add a login manager like lightdm |
| 09:18.02 | jelly | littlebit: select "Simultaneous output to whatever" |
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| 09:18.35 | jelly | littlebit: then, in Configuration tab, find your HDMI audio and enable it |
| 09:19.02 | littlebit | jelly: what do you mean with whatever? |
| 09:19.06 | JazzOderNie | cynicallemon: i installed xdm but when i log in it automatically starts lxde |
| 09:20.13 | jelly | littlebit: in Playback tab, next to each app, there's a button on the right to choose where its audio goes out. |
| 09:20.25 | cynicallemon | JazzOderNie: cant remember about xdm but lightdm has a session chooser allowing you to set the DE to use |
| 09:20.36 | JazzOderNie | cynicallemon: alright, i'll try, thanks |
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| 09:26.06 | jelly | littlebit: if you set your app to output to [Simultaneous output...], its audio will go out to all the enabled sound cards |
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| 09:51.35 | woshty | What is the best way to get recent perl6 in stable? Are there any backports? |
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| 09:55.35 | heurist | ,v perl |
| 09:55.36 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u1; jessie: 5.20.0-4; sid: 5.20.0-6; experimental: 5.20.1~rc1-1 |
| 09:56.01 | heurist | woshty: no perl6 yet, from what I can see. |
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| 09:59.19 | jelly | perl6 will not be called "perl" |
| 09:59.39 | Abhijit | python? |
| 09:59.43 | Abhijit | python 6? |
| 09:59.58 | jelly | ,v rakudo |
| 10:00.00 | judd | Package: rakudo on i386 -- wheezy: 0.1~2012.01-1; sid: 2014.07-2 |
| 10:00.26 | heurist | jelly: not called perl6 either, what fun! |
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| 10:13.04 | cynicallemon | ah the version 6 disease... |
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| 10:14.07 | pyface | i want to create a /home partition. at the mo i have swap, /usr, / and /var partitions |
| 10:14.12 | littlebit | jelly: ok Jelly, I have tried several things including what you recommended. The problem either I get audio on my hdmi OR on my 3.5mm audio jack. But not on both. Here are some screenshots for you to see: |
| 10:14.14 | littlebit | http://www.picpaste.com/playback1-Tc8SXWP1.png |
| 10:14.14 | littlebit | http://www.picpaste.com/playback2-QdCKr8rf.png |
| 10:14.14 | littlebit | http://www.picpaste.com/output_devices-n9G88ve6.png |
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| 10:14.34 | pyface | whats the best tool to use fo that? |
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| 10:15.27 | cynicallemon | pyface: planning... |
| 10:15.42 | pyface | lol |
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| 10:16.35 | cynicallemon | pyface: do you actually want a partition or just a /home directory? |
| 10:16.36 | pyface | i was used to freebsd where 'home' fell inside 'usr' |
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| 10:16.55 | cynicallemon | ah ok |
| 10:17.01 | pyface | well, im running out of disk space on / |
| 10:17.14 | pyface | so thats the reason |
| 10:17.20 | pyface | :'( |
| 10:17.34 | cynicallemon | so you have addition space somewhere else i take it? |
| 10:17.54 | pyface | id have to steal some free space from the windows partition |
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| 10:18.34 | cynicallemon | pyface: gui or server? |
| 10:18.49 | pyface | gu |
| 10:18.50 | pyface | i |
| 10:19.18 | cynicallemon | gparted comes to mind for partitioning |
| 10:19.28 | pyface | i can use paragaon's tool for creating free space |
| 10:19.33 | pyface | paragon* |
| 10:19.41 | pyface | but the rest i could use gparted |
| 10:19.43 | pyface | mkay |
| 10:20.05 | pyface | thanks |
| 10:20.22 | pyface | let's hope i don't destroy everything |
| 10:20.32 | cynicallemon | always a risk... |
| 10:20.37 | pyface | indeed |
| 10:20.43 | pyface | been there done that |
| 10:20.50 | cynicallemon | likewise |
| 10:21.13 | pyface | temptng to do a fresh install |
| 10:21.52 | cynicallemon | pyface: do you purge your apt cache? |
| 10:21.52 | woshty | heurist: it is called after the compilers .. rakudo or niecza. I am trying to rebuild the sid packages for stable. That seems to work so far. |
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| 10:22.38 | pyface | cynicallemon: nope |
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| 10:22.48 | pyface | not sure what means tbh |
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| 10:23.44 | cynicallemon | pyface: apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean may give you some space back |
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| 10:24.07 | pyface | ok noice |
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| 10:24.57 | pyface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.05 | pyface | happy days |
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| 10:25.36 | cynicallemon | pyface: i like the ncdu command line utility so i can drill down and see where space is being used |
| 10:25.48 | cynicallemon | apt-get install ncdu |
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| 10:26.19 | pyface | nice |
| 10:26.24 | pyface | i czeched it out. i like |
| 10:26.29 | narcarsiss | anyone know how i can find the user tied to uid 999 ? id - 999 only works for usernames |
| 10:26.50 | rozie_ | grep 999 /etc/passwd? |
| 10:26.52 | cynicallemon | also with a gui you could install bleachbit which is the linux version of windows ccleaner |
| 10:28.13 | pyface | nice |
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| 10:29.15 | cynicallemon | pyface: so those might help you reduce wasted space but i doubt it will be enough for users homedirs but its a help |
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| 10:29.20 | narcarsiss | rozie_: Sorry didnt see you message there, testing now |
| 10:30.25 | narcarsiss | ok turnes out an Application is using 999 but there is no user :| Thanks for that rozie_ Solved me 30 minutes worth of hopless googling |
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| 10:32.04 | narcarsiss | ::exit |
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| 10:38.19 | quxbam | is there a C tutorial packed in debian? preferably in info format |
| 10:40.32 | quxbam | ?? |
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| 10:43.30 | cynicallemon | quxbam: c-cpp-reference package |
| 10:44.17 | cynicallemon | html format though |
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| 10:44.51 | quxbam | thx |
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| 10:50.21 | Gunni | is someone willing to help me debug a no wifi issue in a just installed debian jessie with kde? |
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| 10:50.39 | Gunni | as in, i installed it and wifi wont work, it used to work on debian wheezy |
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| 10:51.29 | cynicallemon | Gunni: and the wifi card is? |
| 10:51.38 | Gunni | intel 2200 series |
| 10:53.09 | Gunni | it has always worked, just this install makes it not appear in "ifconfig -a" |
| 10:53.31 | cynicallemon | have you installed the non-free firmware? |
| 10:53.44 | Gunni | what is it named? |
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| 10:54.19 | cynicallemon | firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 10:54.26 | Gunni | let me check, booting |
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| 10:56.42 | Gunni | it wasn't installed, installing |
| 10:57.04 | cynicallemon | that will probably cure it |
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| 10:59.23 | Gunni | yes you are right cynicallemon, thank you very much |
| 10:59.29 | Gunni | wifi works now |
| 10:59.48 | ChrisH | My wheezy-backports do no longer work, apt-get update fails with W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 11:00.32 | ChrisH | and on the mirrors shown in http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ I cannot find any wheezy-backports directory. |
| 11:00.36 | themill | ChrisH: that's not the right URL |
| 11:00.37 | cynicallemon | Gunni: great |
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| 11:00.58 | themill | dpkg: tell ChrisH about wheezy-backports |
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| 11:08.00 | ChrisH | themill: sadly this does not make a real difference: W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 500 Invalid header using the line the bot suggested |
| 11:08.13 | misterli | What happen if i have a folder in /var/www/myfiles and want to move them to /home/www-data/myfiles. ln -s /home/www-data/myfiles /var/www/myfiles will create a folder on home with a "fake" folder in /var/www/myfiles, correct? What happens with the file which are in there? I need to move it to home due no space available. Do i need to move the files first and create the symbolink linka fter? |
| 11:08.42 | Gunni | have you tried mv? |
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| 11:09.38 | misterli | yeah, sure, but there are about 400gb files. it takes too long time moving and then doing a symbolic link. The users who want to access the files can't have a downtime of about 2 hours |
| 11:09.57 | misterli | is cp -> rm -> creatng symlink the proper solution in this case? |
| 11:10.01 | Gunni | you can copy it first into another name |
| 11:10.16 | Gunni | then just do a mv there, the mv should be almost instant |
| 11:10.18 | misterli | is there no way creating the symoblic link with files in there? |
| 11:10.33 | Gunni | there is but symbolic link doesn't move the data |
| 11:10.39 | misterli | nah, it's not. Tried it already. When moving 400GB of files with an average of 20kb a file from one partition to another it takes about 4 hours |
| 11:11.02 | heurist | misterli: cp the rm then ln |
| 11:11.08 | misterli | ok |
| 11:11.17 | Gunni | yes but you can move it to a temp folder on the other partition, and when ready replace the symlink |
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| 11:11.36 | Gunni | same partition mv is almost instant |
| 11:11.56 | misterli | yeah, then it's just updating the structure, not really moving |
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| 11:21.42 | fev3r1 | :) |
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| 11:22.49 | fev3r1 | hello |
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| 11:25.57 | themill | ChrisH: I've had a couple of odd errors from http.d.n in the last couple of days. Try your normal mirror but with the correct path |
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| 11:28.22 | ChrisH | themill: that's it. working now. thanks |
| 11:28.33 | themill | np |
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| 11:45.07 | abaday | Hi, is it possible for me to change root password on debian without rebooting server? |
| 11:45.19 | abaday | I have physical access to the server |
| 11:45.23 | t3ngu | sudo passwd root abaday |
| 11:45.32 | abaday | no sudo rights |
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| 11:45.48 | t3ngu | no then. |
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| 11:46.41 | heurist | abaday: you need to be root to change root password. |
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| 11:47.20 | heurist | abaday: if you know the current root password you can use su - or ctrl-alt-f1 and log in there |
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| 11:47.51 | t3ngu | or reboot with a linux cd , mount the / partition , edit the shadow file, remove the pass from shadow, (Make a backup before would you?) , and then reboot the original os |
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| 11:48.51 | heurist | abaday: t3ngu: or reboot with linux cd and chroot into / and passwd |
| 11:49.05 | heurist | !chroot |
| 11:49.05 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 11:49.21 | t3ngu | heurist: chroot is a little more complicated imho |
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| 11:49.31 | t3ngu | as you just pointed out :) |
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| 11:50.03 | heurist | t3ngu: than fiddling with shadow? less likely to bork the box. |
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| 11:50.39 | heurist | t3ngu: plus for passwd all the bind mounts are probably not needed. |
| 11:50.41 | abaday | Forgot to mentiuon, root password is not known and reboot not allowed. |
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| 11:51.06 | heurist | abaday: sounds dodgy, I am out. |
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| 11:51.07 | abaday | :D |
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| 11:51.10 | abaday | this is at work |
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| 11:51.19 | abaday | old machine, |
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| 11:51.37 | heurist | abaday: that is what they all say (: |
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| 11:52.53 | t3ngu | i will check for the bind |
| 11:53.11 | t3ngu | but editing shadow i do not agree is complicated. |
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| 12:30.56 | ManDay | Is there any package on debian which allows me to start a PHP5 FastCGI (FPM)? |
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| 12:32.43 | nkuttler | ManDay: apt-cache search php fpm |
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| 12:35.30 | ManDay | nkuttler: thanks, worked |
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| 12:58.09 | dasj | hello, I would like some clarification about the contrib repository, does it contain only free/libre software? |
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| 13:01.33 | themill | dasj: yes, but that software relies on stuff that is not in debian (not in any repo or perhaps is in non-free) |
| 13:01.49 | themill | !contrib |
| 13:01.50 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 13:02.02 | Jaleks | when using xinerama, menus of programs on the second screen are not showing up. anyone got an idea how to make them visible and usable? |
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| 13:05.08 | dasj | themill so if I use just main and contrib then I know I am using just free software |
| 13:05.26 | dasj | I use for example virtualbox... wich was moved to contrib |
| 13:05.31 | themill | dasj: no |
| 13:06.12 | themill | contrib stuff is reliant on things that are not free -- virtualbox relies on a non-free compiler, for instance. |
| 13:06.47 | dasj | but that package is not included in contrib according to: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-contrib |
| 13:07.17 | dasj | I am a bit confused |
| 13:07.18 | fev3r1 | ssad |
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| 13:07.43 | wallbroken | hi guys |
| 13:07.49 | wallbroken | i installed btrfs |
| 13:07.55 | wallbroken | how to show hashfiles? |
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| 13:09.10 | themill | dasj: I'm not sure what your question is. |
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| 13:09.53 | dasj | nevermind I have to go.. thanks for info |
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| 13:35.46 | ManDay | How would I purge a service called "apache2" from the system? |
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| 13:35.58 | ManDay | apt-get finds that neither "apache" nor "apache2" are installed |
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| 13:36.11 | t3ngu | dpkg -l |grep apache? |
| 13:36.12 | dpkg | ii |grep apache 1.5-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:36.17 | petn-randall | ManDay: Then it's not on the system. |
| 13:36.18 | t3ngu | oops |
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| 13:36.30 | ManDay | t3ngu: But it's there and running |
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| 13:36.58 | petn-randall | ManDay: Maybe it's manually installed? |
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| 13:37.07 | t3ngu | ManDay: i didnt say it wasnt :) I assume its installed with a dpkg. thats why I asked : for dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 13:37.08 | ManDay | petn-randall: i don't think so |
| 13:37.21 | ManDay | âroot@debianwiki:/etc/postgresql/9.1/main# ls /usr/sbin/apache* â/usr/sbin/apache2 /usr/sbin/apache2ctl /usr/sbin/apachectl |
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| 13:37.45 | ManDay | can i check whether those files belong to any installed package? |
| 13:38.02 | ManDay | t3ngu: ah |
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| 13:38.07 | petn-randall | ManDay: dlocate /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 13:38.23 | petn-randall | ManDay: You may need to install dlocate first. |
| 13:38.44 | ManDay | petn-randall: t3ngu 's dpkg -l did the trick |
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| 13:38.54 | ManDay | it lists apache2.2-bin et al |
| 13:39.43 | t3ngu | ManDay: /usr/share/doc/dpkg/THANKS the people who wrote dpkg not me :) i just use it hehe |
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| 13:40.50 | AndChat|594561 | hi |
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| 13:46.20 | monode | i want to make a usb stick which i plug into a pc and a) installs the base system b) installs some packages + conf files and deps from the usb stick c) runs a bunch of scripts I made after the installation is complete and before booting d) runs yetanother script on the first boot |
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| 13:47.35 | Riastradh | Given a package foo_1.23-1_amd64.deb which is not in the apt repository, how do I install it and all its dependencies automatically from the apt repository? |
| 13:47.43 | monode | while a) is easy to solve with preseed and d) is easy i guess to install into /etc/init.d/, i have no idea about b) and c) |
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| 13:48.45 | monode | Riastradh: i like gdebi, it does what you want. the usual way is dpkg-conf -i package; then generate the failed deps, then apt-get update |
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| 13:49.40 | t3ngu | monode: in my opinion you need to create your own debian distro. then all a,b,c,d are easily solved. |
| 13:49.53 | wallbroken | i installed btrfs |
| 13:49.54 | wallbroken | how to show hashfiles? |
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| 13:50.10 | monode | i'm ot really sure what making one's own distro implies |
| 13:51.06 | heurist | !tell wallbroken -about multiple ask |
| 13:51.09 | monode | i'm thinking i could pull the deb files from apt, then dpkg -i on all of them, maybe in some magic order to solve deps? |
| 13:51.49 | Riastradh | monode: What is dpkg-conf? I don't have that. |
| 13:52.03 | monode | dpkg -i, sorry |
| 13:52.04 | dpkg | monode: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 13:52.32 | qjqqyy | dpkg -i |
| 13:52.33 | dpkg | qjqqyy: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:52.34 | Riastradh | I see, so install the package and then let apt-get install its dependencies? |
| 13:52.36 | crooksey | I have an application that sends email messages to my local Maildir, I now need to send these to the specified recipients, what program can I use to monitor the maildir and send all new messages once they arrive? |
| 13:52.43 | qjqqyy | dpkg --help |
| 13:52.43 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 13:52.45 | Riastradh | Will apt-get mark them automatically installed if I do that? |
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| 13:54.38 | monode | yeah, but it will pull them with the next install/upgrade/etc - not really surw |
| 13:54.48 | t3ngu | monode: there are few tools out there to remaster a distro. there are few easy steps, just have to play little bit. |
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| 13:55.32 | monode | i'm not really sure where to begin. |
| 13:55.53 | monode | what does it imply - as a summary of course? |
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| 13:59.03 | t3ngu | monode: how is Mint an ubuntu distro but remastered? |
| 13:59.09 | t3ngu | same principle. |
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| 14:00.10 | t3ngu | monode: i might get flame for this but you should have a look http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
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| 14:03.06 | monode | t3ngu: is there no way to do this to existing isos? i'm looking for a fast solution now, but I will do try LFS later |
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| 14:04.15 | t3ngu | monode: i dont know what your background is. I would use chef to do this but I have a whole infrastructure to support. if its to build few boxes, i dont know i will need to think about it a bit first and what do I really want to achieve |
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| 14:05.42 | monode | basically i just want to plug a stick in and have a minimal system with my tools of choice (vim, tmux, nc, hostapd, etc) and my conf files with just plugging the stick in and booting |
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| 14:05.59 | t3ngu | tmux nc and vim i think come in default. |
| 14:06.02 | t3ngu | btw |
| 14:06.06 | monode | maybe it can be achieved with one of the full installation DVDs? |
| 14:06.39 | t3ngu | well if you have a dselect list |
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| 14:06.53 | monode | well, there's apache, python3.2, couchdb and some other stuff one wouldn't count as standard tools |
| 14:07.02 | t3ngu | allow me a second please... |
| 14:07.06 | monode | sure |
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| 14:08.47 | monode | could it work by manually running dpkg -i on predownlosded .debs, from a script for example? |
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| 14:09.51 | t3ngu | monode: get the list of the packages you want: /usr/bin/dpkg --get-selections > file_name, save it somewhere accessible, then on any new system : wget <ip>/file_name && dpkg --set-selections< file_name |
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| 14:10.45 | heurist | t3ngu: have you tested that. dpkg --set-selections does not appear to work. |
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| 14:11.07 | heurist | monode: I missed the beginning of the conversation, but maybe look at apt-clone ? |
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| 14:11.48 | monode | i can't do wget or anything internrt related |
| 14:12.05 | heurist | monode: but from a quick scan back it looks like you maybe want a live system, why not just use one of them, debian live even. |
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| 14:12.07 | monode | unless it's a hack related to wget localhost/ :) |
| 14:13.01 | monode | heurist: tl;dr is i want to install a debian system + packages of my choice + conf files from a usb stick without any interaction or internet |
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| 14:13.21 | t3ngu | heurist: what do you mean doesnt work? root@Debian6:~# dpkg --get-selections | head |
| 14:13.21 | t3ngu | aclinstall |
| 14:13.21 | t3ngu | acpiinstall |
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| 14:13.34 | monode | plug the stick in, boot, maybe ssh during install, 10 minutes later i have a new system up |
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| 14:13.52 | heurist | monode: fai |
| 14:14.00 | qjqqyy | preseed is the way to automate installs |
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| 14:14.14 | qjqqyy | installer calls apt so you gotta hack in a local repository of sorts into it |
| 14:14.25 | qjqqyy | doable but seems really difficult |
| 14:14.29 | heurist | t3ngu: --get-selections works, but --set-selections gives errors |
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| 14:16.21 | monode | so how is it done on the offline installer dvds? |
| 14:16.35 | t3ngu | sorry mate i was on the phone |
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| 14:17.08 | qjqqyy | you dont need to get sources from internet you can apt-get from cdrom or probably local files |
| 14:17.18 | t3ngu | sorry I was on the phone heurist |
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| 14:17.46 | heurist | t3ngu: not seeing errors now, maybe it is fixed. but I just did dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections so it might not work on a different system. |
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| 14:17.52 | monode | tis ok |
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| 14:19.21 | t3ngu | heurist: i use this method for all cloud vm's. I have a generic image setup, i install the vm with that image, and i use a wget and the dpkg --set-selections to install all packages. I had read it in the debian wiki like a million years ago. and still works for me, what can I say :) |
| 14:19.41 | monode | so in essence, I just need preseed + apt-grt from local fs apt mirror? |
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| 14:20.38 | monode | not sure about --get-selections, seems to work on all machine; haven't run set-selections yet :) |
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| 14:29.13 | heurist | t3ngu: good to know. |
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| 14:29.38 | t3ngu | its also useful when you backup a system. and I stop :) |
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| 14:34.55 | Luzifer222222 | Hey guys, I have a big problem. I try to connect my computer to my HDTV with hdmi but the corners are outside of the display |
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| 14:35.33 | petn-randall | Luzifer222222: It's likely your TV doing pan and scan. |
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| 14:35.39 | monode | t3ngu: dpkg -get-sel | dpkg -set-sel should alter no packages, no? |
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| 14:36.00 | Luzifer222222 | I know that the problem is the overscan but I don't have the possibility to change this on my tv |
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| 14:36.20 | monode | also, I'm guessing it won't solve deps? |
| 14:36.22 | t3ngu | if you are in ok state in pkg yes i assume. I cannot imagine why you use it like that. |
| 14:36.23 | Luzifer222222 | petn-randall I'm not shure |
| 14:36.34 | erik_ | Thanks again for the help in getting my internet working last night, #debian |
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| 14:37.00 | Luzifer222222 | petn-randall, how can I figure it out |
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| 14:38.37 | heurist | monode: I tried to test the set-selection bug I had earlier and it did nothing to my setup, but that is no guarantee. |
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| 14:39.24 | petn-randall | Luzifer222222: You can check if the resolution you're using the TV is the native one. |
| 14:39.34 | heurist | monode: dpkg does not do dependency resolution you need apt* for that. |
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| 14:42.20 | monode | piping --get-sel to --set-sel returns no error, so I guess it's ok |
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| 14:42.46 | monode | what so I need to run after that, to actually trigger installs? |
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| 14:42.59 | erik_ | Last night, a few people guided me through the process of using a backport of a kernel currently in testing so that I could get my internet working on my ethernet controller |
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| 14:43.08 | erik_ | Today, I am updating to testing. Once I do that, what happens to the backport? |
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| 14:43.13 | monode | dpkg -i * might work? |
| 14:43.13 | dpkg | package * might work is already installed |
| 14:43.16 | erik_ | It is automatically cleaned up and I can remove it from my sources.list? |
| 14:43.30 | Luzifer222222 | petn-randall, I clone my desktop to it and it shows with 1920x1080i but the desktop on the HDTV is bigger than the display |
| 14:44.43 | jbeez | anyone familiar with using debconf-set-selections? If I set 2 strings for a package in a script so I dont have to deal with a gui style selection, do I need to issue any commands to perm save that or reread? debconf-get-selections shows the values properly but theres something dpkg-reconfigure actually does that just setting those values isnt doing |
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| 14:46.45 | Brigo | erik_, you will not need backports anymore, since backport are testing package compile against stable. |
| 14:47.26 | heurist | monode: that does nothing, no point doing that. |
| 14:47.34 | erik_ | Brigo: Will apt resolve any issues for me? i.e. I can just get rid of the backport line in my sources.list after I dist-upgrade and everything will be fine? |
| 14:48.23 | monode | it would error out if there were any bugs as you mentioned earlier I think |
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| 14:49.04 | heurist | monode: not reliably, I had a but with --set-selevtion not working, that is what I was testing. |
| 14:49.12 | Brigo | erik_, i think the backport line will become useless, so you can comment it or delete it safely |
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| 14:49.58 | erik_ | Brigo: Thanks |
| 14:50.01 | monode | but if i do, # dpkg grt-sel > packages and later on a new system # cat psckages | dpkg -set-sel, what do i run to trigger package installation? |
| 14:50.09 | heurist | erik_: having wheezy-backports in source of testing is bad, it will break things. remove it |
| 14:50.10 | Brigo | erik_, np :) |
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| 14:58.19 | takeyourhatoff | I am trying to daemonize rtorrent using dtach and a init.d script I have written. I have gotten start and stop working but status isn't working. I think I have butchered this horribly, here is my init.d/rtorrent: http://paste.debian.net/119337/ I have also created a script that launches rtorrent using dtach which is called by start-stop-deamon in the init.d script here: http://paste.debian.net/119338/ |
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| 14:58.30 | takeyourhatoff | Have I gone about this the complete wrong way? I feel I have |
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| 15:00.20 | monode | takeyourhatoff: you probably want screen or tmux |
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| 15:00.40 | troulouliou_dev | hi after removing a repo fomr source.list; is it possible to remove all packages that where installed from this repo and reinstall those from the main debian repos ? |
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| 15:00.45 | monode | since you'll want to use fg to bring it back from time to time |
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| 15:01.03 | takeyourhatoff | monode: I can bring it back using dtach, it is prety much like screen but simpler |
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| 15:01.55 | monode | i don't know to use dtach/fg, but i started using screen because of rtorrent. |
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| 15:02.24 | takeyourhatoff | monode: do you know how I can specify the rtorrent.rc that rtorrent reads? |
| 15:02.30 | takeyourhatoff | because I am running it as a system user with no home dir |
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| 15:02.44 | monode | also, you might want to check rutorrent, if you send it to bg |
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| 15:02.56 | monode | it's a web interface of sorts |
| 15:02.58 | wallbroken | is there some way to change terminal resolution? |
| 15:03.03 | takeyourhatoff | it tries to read ~/.rtorrent.rc and I cant figurehow to make it read /etc/rtorrent.rc |
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| 15:03.11 | wallbroken | is a vm of virtualbox |
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| 15:03.16 | wallbroken | and there is no GUI installed |
| 15:03.17 | monode | uhhh.. not sure about 0icking a different config file |
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| 15:03.27 | monode | wallbroken: ssh into the machine? |
| 15:03.28 | takeyourhatoff | wallbroken: ssh into the vm |
| 15:03.28 | t3ngu | takeyourhatoff: set up /etc/ the home of the user you run rtorrent with. |
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| 15:03.58 | monode | t3ngu: whoa, that's smart |
| 15:04.01 | wallbroken | monode, takeyourhatoff, i prefeer to change screen resolution, maybe with grub? |
| 15:04.04 | takeyourhatoff | t3ngu: I know it is me being anal but that would mean that I have to mv /etc/rtorrent.rc /etc/.rtorrent.rc |
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| 15:04.10 | takeyourhatoff | wallbroken: you cant |
| 15:04.12 | t3ngu | or you could softlin the rc from /etc/ |
| 15:04.26 | t3ngu | takeyourhatoff: can't you link it instead ? |
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| 15:04.30 | wallbroken | i remember i done it some years ago |
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| 15:07.40 | erik_ | Huh |
| 15:07.46 | erik_ | Wonder what he wants to say |
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| 15:09.24 | nkuttler | !ops r420r needs help |
| 15:09.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: r420r needs help |
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| 15:09.47 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:10.29 | monode | !ops seems like something easy to abuse |
| 15:10.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: monode complains about: seems like something easy to abuse |
| 15:10.37 | abrotman | monode: Don't do that ...wtf |
| 15:10.41 | nkuttler | monode: yeah, don't even try it |
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| 15:11.09 | abrotman | monode: Do you understand what that does? |
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| 15:11.28 | erik_ | It involves nuclear launch codes |
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| 15:11.38 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:11.46 | erik_ | What does it actually do? |
| 15:12.00 | t3ngu | gives away who's got op access? |
| 15:12.02 | t3ngu | ;) |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | it rings everyone's terminal .. not a bright idea to abuse |
| 15:12.25 | mtn | kids these days |
| 15:12.26 | erik_ | Rings their terminal? Jesus Christ |
| 15:12.36 | t3ngu | its the ring of fire |
| 15:12.42 | monode | not everyones |
| 15:12.51 | erik_ | Only those who hear it |
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| 15:12.54 | monode | you need to send a \b in the message for that |
| 15:13.01 | abrotman | Do you need help with Debian? |
| 15:13.12 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 15:13.12 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | otherwise, go chat in #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 15:17.20 | monode | sorry sorry, wasn't expecting that to work |
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| 15:20.35 | daedeloth | hm, I upgraded and now my mysql server doesn't start at boot... and I can't get transmission-daemon to run anymore either |
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| 15:20.56 | nkuttler | daedeloth: apt-cache policy mysql-server |
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| 15:22.44 | erik_ | Is there anything risky with having no root account and just using sudo when you need it? |
| 15:22.59 | daedeloth | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8234361/ |
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| 15:23.35 | AbortToddlers | how do I get an invitation to join #debian-next? |
| 15:23.47 | heurist | erik_: you might have problems with single mode if you need to repair a / or something, but it is pretty common practice. |
| 15:24.12 | somiaj | erik_: if you have full sudo privlages you can become root (even if you disable login for it) and can do anything root can with sudo. The only risk is now your user can be compermised to get root privalges. |
| 15:24.13 | nkuttler | !tell AbortToddlers about oftc |
| 15:24.19 | heurist | AbortToddlers: connect to the irc.oftc.net server they are not on freenode |
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| 15:24.44 | nkuttler | daedeloth: can you start it by hand? /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 15:25.02 | AbortToddlers | ok, thanks |
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| 15:25.49 | daedeloth | nkuttler, yes |
| 15:25.54 | erik_ | I just updated and upgraded with the old backport in sources.list. I've since removed the backport that was for a kernel that included support for my ethernet controller. Now when I update and dist-upgrade, it says the only changes are to remove libdb5.1 python2.6 and update db5.1-util |
| 15:25.58 | erik_ | Can someone explain what this means? |
| 15:26.06 | erik_ | I just updated and upgraded a second ago |
| 15:26.08 | wallbroken | takeyourhatoff, monode, done it! |
| 15:26.10 | nkuttler | daedeloth: sounds like the symlink is gone, man update-rc.d, or install something like rcconf |
| 15:26.21 | erik_ | Now doing it again makes it looks like it is trying to change stuff unrelated to what I expected |
| 15:26.35 | somiaj | erik_: what did you upgrade too? |
| 15:26.46 | wallbroken | editing grub config file with "splash vga=792" |
| 15:26.54 | erik_ | somiaj: testing |
| 15:26.56 | nkuttler | daedeloth: but the startup could fail due to something else during the boot process ig uess, check your logs as well |
| 15:27.29 | daedeloth | nkuttler, no, it's fine, the init.d |
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| 15:27.38 | daedeloth | it threw an error about not being able to assign to the port |
| 15:27.39 | erik_ | somiaj: So I upgraded, then removed the backport, and upgraded again. But it is asking to remove stuff that I don't see why it didn't fix the first time I upgraded regardless of backport in sources.list |
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| 15:27.43 | erik_ | Just trying to get an idea of what is going on |
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| 15:28.13 | nkuttler | daedeloth: that's rather odd, but figure out which other service is running on that port then i guess |
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| 15:29.18 | somiaj | erik_: well apt uses all versions available to it in it's sources to determine what needs to be upgraded. Usually backports are taken from jessie and versioned such upgrading to jessie replaces the backport packages. It could also be that during the time of your first upgrade a few more packages were upgraded on the mirror and the next update detected that change. |
| 15:29.36 | heurist | erik_: as I said earlier: having wheezy-backports in source of testing is bad, it will break things. remove it. things are broken, as expected. |
| 15:29.43 | somiaj | erik_: but to get a definitive answer you'll probably have to look at the actual packages/versions and why apt thinks they should be removed or upgraded. |
| 15:29.47 | heurist | erik_: questions about jessie/testing are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:30.05 | erik_ | heurist: Sorry, my client only works on freenode |
| 15:30.31 | mtn | raises an eyebrow |
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| 15:31.19 | erik_ | heurist: But if backport line is removed and then everything is updated and upgraded, the "broken" stuff gets fixed if it isn't too serious, right? |
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| 15:32.43 | heurist | erik_: yes, but any packages that you installed from backports now need fixing, which is probably what you are seeing. just doing an update/upgrade again may not put you in a sane state. this is stable support channel though so you may not get answers here as we do not use testing |
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| 15:32.54 | daedeloth | actually I have a file called /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 15:32.58 | daedeloth | but not a mysqld or mysql-server |
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| 15:33.32 | t3ngu | :q |
| 15:33.47 | t3ngu | oops, sorry. |
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| 15:38.02 | nkuttler | daedeloth: find /etc/rc* -iname *mysql* |
| 15:38.25 | daedeloth | find /etc/rc* -iname *mysql* |
| 15:38.33 | daedeloth | (I figured out how pastebinit works :p) |
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| 15:42.31 | nkuttler | daedeloth: so? |
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| 15:42.52 | t3ngu | cheers enjoy. |
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| 15:44.40 | daedeloth | nkuttler, woops, I pasted the wrong trhing |
| 15:44.45 | daedeloth | http://pastebin.com/3XMEzhng |
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| 15:45.11 | nkuttler | daedeloth: yeah, so mysql should start during boot. pastebin the exact error you get |
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| 15:46.41 | daedeloth | hm, can't find the error anymore now |
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| 15:48.32 | nkuttler | daedeloth: see if it shows up somewhere in /var/log/, or just reboot? |
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| 15:50.02 | daedeloth | it started :O |
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| 15:50.17 | daedeloth | god I hate system management. |
| 15:50.24 | takeyourhatoff | What permissions do I need to set to a socket so i can open it? |
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| 15:51.43 | takeyourhatoff | I am having problems with dtach: http://paste.debian.net/119347/ |
| 15:52.39 | takeyourhatoff | I straced the call to open the socket and got this: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/rtorrent/rtorrent.dtach"}, 110) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 15:54.22 | takeyourhatoff | from man 2 connect: EACCES For UNIX domain sockets, which are identified by pathname: Write permission is denied on the socket file, or search permission is denied for one of the directories in the path prefix. |
| 15:54.27 | takeyourhatoff | But I have write access no? |
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| 16:10.16 | stmaher | Hi guys.. does anyone know of a networking/routing protocol (similar to ospf) that doesnt use multicasting? |
| 16:10.36 | stmaher | Im trying to do ospf using openbsd and linux (over ipsec) however its a nightmare.. |
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| 16:12.15 | takeyourhatoff | my misatke, I had not logged out after I updated my groups |
| 16:12.20 | takeyourhatoff | so it had not taken afffect yet |
| 16:12.23 | sinonick | stmaher, i wouldn't know about linux, but on typical network devices that would be solved by changing the "ospf network type" of the link |
| 16:13.08 | stmaher | sinonick Im only really using this for internet networks and VPN's.. if a link is dead change the route via another device.. |
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| 16:14.22 | sinonick | stmaher, you asked for a protocol that doesn't use multicasting, some network types in ospf do not use multicast, i just thought this would help :) |
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| 16:15.37 | stmaher | sinonick Oh.. I didnt not know that.. I will take a look.. THank you for the advice.. it is very much appreciated |
| 16:16.01 | stmaher | sinonick *I did not know that.. LOL.. fail |
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| 16:16.26 | stmaher | sinonick looks like NBMA might do the trick.. Now just how to implement it :-) |
| 16:16.30 | stmaher | muahahahahah |
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| 16:18.08 | stmaher | * VIRTUAL -- a virtual "link" between two routers who are more than one |
| 16:18.09 | stmaher | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.14 | stmaher | god Damit! |
| 16:18.49 | socomm | How old is OpenOSPFD? |
| 16:18.55 | socomm | 2-3 years? |
| 16:19.24 | stmaher | socomm yeah some of our routers/firewalls are still openbsd |
| 16:19.26 | asterismo | hi people |
| 16:19.32 | stmaher | Im working on that. .however i need compatability at the moment :-( |
| 16:19.37 | socomm | Looks about 5 years old. |
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| 16:19.46 | asterismo | y need help, i'm on a network that only permits connections on port 80 |
| 16:19.56 | asterismo | and i need to access via SSH to a server |
| 16:20.26 | asterismo | is there anyway that i can configure a proxy on port 80 that redirects me to port 22 on other server for SSH? |
| 16:20.53 | stmaher | asterismo yep.. you can iptables it or use redir or rinetd |
| 16:21.01 | socomm | asterismo: You can configure SSHD to listen on port 80. Or you can try installing some form of web vpn proxy. |
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| 16:21.30 | Brigo | or ssh tunneling ... |
| 16:21.37 | stmaher | asterismo Actually socomm's idea is better change the listen port on sshd |
| 16:22.04 | asterismo | yes, but i have to set up another vhost for that right? because the server has apache on it |
| 16:22.08 | asterismo | and serves web |
| 16:22.12 | TheSin | is it known that nagios is missing in jessie? |
| 16:22.19 | stmaher | asterismo you need that port to be free |
| 16:22.21 | asterismo | but i need also SSH on port 22 |
| 16:22.35 | stmaher | asterismo however I doubt you are using 443 then.. Id say that port would also be open |
| 16:22.48 | stmaher | asterismo you could try running ssh on that ? |
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| 16:24.06 | asterismo | but i cann run SSH no 2 ports at the same time |
| 16:24.24 | stmaher | asterismo yes you can run sshd on two ports at the same time |
| 16:24.45 | socomm | asterismo: I'm not sure about that, but you can run 2 sshd process at the same time |
| 16:24.53 | asterismo | didn't know that |
| 16:25.02 | asterismo | so i have to disable https |
| 16:25.04 | stmaher | asterismo I think you can put listen in twice in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:25.13 | Brigo | ,v nagios |
| 16:25.15 | judd | No package named 'nagios' was found in i386. |
| 16:25.24 | asterismo | a2dismod ssl right? or siomething like that |
| 16:25.25 | TheSin | it's nagios3 |
| 16:25.46 | TheSin | it's in stable and unstable but it recently was removed from testing |
| 16:25.57 | Brigo | ,v nagios3 |
| 16:25.58 | judd | Package: nagios3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.2.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 3.2.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 3.2.3-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+1; sid: 3.5.1.dfsg-1 |
| 16:28.27 | Brigo | TheSin, may be you find some usefull information here: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nagios3.html |
| 16:29.11 | socomm | asterismo: why would you need to disable https? are you planning on running ssh on 443? |
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| 16:29.15 | socomm | on port 443? |
| 16:29.39 | asterismo | socomm: maybe yes |
| 16:29.46 | TheSin | thanks Brigo , already read that just confirms that is was removed from testing, which sucks cause it really messed up my system, I can for get the debs by hand but I'm scred to mess thigns up more by doing that :\ |
| 16:29.58 | socomm | asterismo: Ok, well you can only have one process mapped to a port at a time. |
| 16:30.00 | asterismo | socomm: i'm in a network that only allows browser connections, on port 80 |
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| 16:30.16 | stmaher | asterismo You could get sexy with it.. You could use IP tables to redirect IP addresses to different internal ports based on source IP address if your source IP doesnt change |
| 16:30.17 | asterismo | and i need to access a SSH server outside |
| 16:30.18 | TheSin | I see the reason it was removed by why wasn't the old one put back? |
| 16:30.19 | socomm | asterismo: They will need to allow access on 443 as well then. |
| 16:30.41 | socomm | stmaher: That's not a bad idea. |
| 16:30.50 | stmaher | socomm (bow) :-) |
| 16:31.14 | Brigo | TheSin, i think it can be done, you need a new package. |
| 16:32.03 | TheSin | the problem is that nagios-plugins moved to monitoring-plugins which conflicts with nagios3 < unstable version |
| 16:32.10 | TheSin | so it removed nagios on update |
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| 16:33.43 | Brigo | TheSin, well you can try icinga O:) |
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| 16:34.49 | TheSin | cept nagios is already all setup for my entire infrastructure, I jsut currently have 0 monitoring :\ |
| 16:35.02 | TheSin | guess I'll just use report-bug :\ |
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| 16:36.43 | TheSin | damn it Brigo you convinced me, icinga looks pretty nice I might try it |
| 16:37.29 | Brigo | TheSin, do not blame me if you do not like it! XD |
| 16:37.34 | TheSin | hehe |
| 16:37.44 | Brigo | TheSin, but i think it is better. |
| 16:37.50 | TheSin | it's better then nothing and it looks like my configs will still work so I'm gonna give it a shot, thanks for the suggestion |
| 16:38.09 | socomm | TheSin: icinga seemed like a mess last time I tried it |
| 16:38.21 | TheSin | that's not encouraging |
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| 16:39.04 | socomm | check_mk multisite is kinda cool though |
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| 16:42.23 | stmaher | how does RIPv2 share its data with peers.. It says UDP.. however can you direct that at a neighbours IP? |
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| 16:43.19 | socomm | stmaher: From what I remember it uses multicast and router join the multicast group to get ripv2 updates |
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| 16:43.46 | stmaher | socomm (cry) |
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| 16:44.07 | TheSin | socomm, looks like check-mk uses nagios which is missing, that is the original problem :\ |
| 16:44.17 | socomm | stmaher: Generally you only enable routing protocols on interfaces which lead to another router, not on interfaces that will be used by end-hosts. |
| 16:44.18 | stmaher | Is there ANY routing protocol that I can just build up its neighbours via direct IP addressing? |
| 16:44.40 | TheSin | actually check-mk is missing form jessie as well |
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| 16:45.07 | socomm | TheSin: Doesn't Icinga depend on Nagios? It's been awhile since I looked at it. |
| 16:45.10 | Gunni | stmaher, static routes? |
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| 16:45.15 | stmaher | socomm yeah im looking to do a routing protocol that monitors changes in the ipsec networks.. if a link dies.. go through another device.. however with ipsec it doesnt handle multicasing very well |
| 16:45.35 | stmaher | Gunni thanks.. however statics are a nightmare to handle.. and would like something automated in the event of a failure |
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| 16:45.49 | petn-randall | stmaher: What are you trying to achieve? Don't static routes do the job for you? |
| 16:45.49 | TheSin | socomm, it looks like it uses it's plugins and the nrpe stuff which is in jessie |
| 16:46.00 | TheSin | I'm still working on testing it but so far it looks like it's all there |
| 16:46.04 | stmaher | Gunni and before you say it.. ping bash scripts with a route change are not the answer :-) |
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| 16:46.15 | socomm | TheSin: Install Icinga then. |
| 16:46.21 | Gunni | watchatalkinabout ^^ |
| 16:46.29 | stmaher | LOL |
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| 16:47.04 | socomm | stmaher: are you talking about FHRP? |
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| 16:48.25 | stmaher | socomm not exactly.. however thats a first for me.. (fhrp) I have a mesh network say 3 core nodes and about 5 sites that have individual links into each of the 3 sites.. |
| 16:48.47 | stmaher | In the event of a link down from one note to another it can simply route it through another one of the 3 nodes.. |
| 16:48.58 | stmaher | all this _has_ to be over ipsec tho :-) |
| 16:50.34 | petn-randall | stmaher: #networking might be able to help you, too. |
| 16:50.55 | stmaher | petn-randall thanks for the suggestion.. I will give them a try |
| 16:51.21 | heurist | TheSin: there is also shinken |
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| 16:52.04 | TheSin | heurist, also missing form jessie |
| 16:52.41 | heurist | TheSin: jessie is not stable, given the channel I assumed stable. |
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| 16:53.09 | socomm | stmaher: Isn't OSPF link state protocol? |
| 16:53.12 | TheSin | oh is there a special chan for jessie? |
| 16:53.25 | TheSin | ahh I see it |
| 16:53.30 | TheSin | I'll got there, thanks heurist |
| 16:53.31 | heurist | !tell TheSin -about debian-next |
| 16:53.42 | sinonick | socomm, it is yes |
| 16:53.46 | sinonick | ospf and isis |
| 16:54.07 | TheSin | oh it's invite only, shrugs |
| 16:54.15 | heurist | !tell TheSin -about oftc |
| 16:54.18 | socomm | Wouldn't OSPF take a different route automatically if the primary route died anyways? |
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| 16:54.31 | sinonick | if there was another available path, yes |
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| 16:55.08 | sinonick | also with bfd you can get response times down to milliseconds |
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| 16:57.34 | fqpl | hi |
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| 17:00.12 | fqpl | what happens if I uncheck debian desktop enviroment? |
| 17:00.22 | fqpl | bu the debian instal |
| 17:01.02 | heurist | fqpl: it does not install things like X gnome or kde, you can install them later if you want |
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| 17:02.56 | fqpl | the thing what I m planing to do is using debian just to boot up in one programm. is it possible that debian is booting in that one without touching the UI? |
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| 17:09.19 | pfsense_rookie | fqpl, you have to be more clear. |
| 17:09.45 | fqpl | ok |
| 17:10.41 | fqpl | I ve set up an htpc with open elec running. my plan ist getting emulationstation running booting up with debian using dualboot. |
| 17:10.58 | abrotman | fqpl: yes, look at kiosk mode |
| 17:11.35 | fqpl | kiosk mode? ok I will google it. (; |
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| 17:12.53 | SmokeyD | hey all, I have a intel corei5 machine with plenty of sata ports with nothing hooked up and one PATA/IDE port with a 250Gb harddrive hooked up. The debian installer doesn't see it though when I get to the partitioning. The ubuntu server installer does see it. What could be the reason? |
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| 17:13.23 | socomm | SmokeyD: driver |
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| 17:14.16 | SmokeyD | socomm: could you specify a bit more? What driver? How do I get it? I do have the unofficial firmware installer so quite a few drivers are already there |
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| 17:14.37 | abrotman | SmokeyD: different kernel versions |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | may not support a newer device |
| 17:14.53 | abrotman | SmokeyD: is this for a server or workstation? |
| 17:15.01 | abrotman | SmokeyD: and what's your linux skill level? |
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| 17:15.38 | technologov | hi ! Are there any good loan calculators ? |
| 17:15.53 | technologov | NOTE: Debian package list returned zero results for keyword "loan" or "mortgage". |
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| 17:16.14 | SmokeyD | abrotman: it is desktop hardware, but is going to be used as a server. THe machine is not too new (2 years old). And it is a PATA drive that isn't recognized, which is pretty basic I think |
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| 17:16.35 | abrotman | internal or external server? |
| 17:16.41 | abrotman | SmokeyD: it's still a chipset thing .. |
| 17:16.50 | abrotman | SmokeyD: you can monkey with the BIOS to see if it's a setting |
| 17:17.14 | SmokeyD | define "internal". It won't be placed outside ;) It is going to be used by me personally, not a business/commercial thing or anything |
| 17:17.25 | SmokeyD | but it will be hooked up to the internet |
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| 17:17.39 | abrotman | you can try the jessie installer |
| 17:17.43 | SmokeyD | my skill level is reasonably good |
| 17:17.52 | SmokeyD | abrotman: ok, I will try that first |
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| 17:18.06 | abrotman | SmokeyD: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Find the netinst for your architecture, I assume amd64 |
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| 17:18.08 | SmokeyD | I was planning on changing it over to unstable anyway probably. But indeed I am using the stable installer |
| 17:18.14 | SmokeyD | yes indeed amd64 |
| 17:18.21 | SmokeyD | I will try the jessy installer |
| 17:18.21 | SmokeyD | thanks |
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| 17:39.06 | WeystLande | hey |
| 17:39.11 | WeystLande | i was trying to get some help with an issue |
| 17:39.33 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 17:39.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:40.34 | Pixionus | WeystLande, ... |
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| 17:42.47 | BurnItOff | sorry |
| 17:42.58 | BurnItOff | i was saying before, i got pm spam about a chimpout forum from Bremsstrahlung |
| 17:43.10 | niko | BurnItOff: please stop |
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| 17:47.48 | Pixionus | Does anyone know how to make a window with a minimum size smaller? Skype chats have minimum widths and I dont care for such wide chat windows. I am using wheezy with gnome 3.4.2 for a desktop with the Shellshape extension (man I need to find a better window tiler...). |
| 17:48.17 | Pixionus | I have to keep skype up for work, but I hate it as a service... |
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| 17:51.29 | mhoney | is there a package in debian that will do basic server monitoring with something like ping and has email notifications? |
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| 17:52.09 | nkuttler | mhoney: well, the bigger monitoring packages can do that.. |
| 17:52.16 | centrx | mhoney, nagios? |
| 17:52.23 | abrotman | mhoney: tons do that |
| 17:52.30 | heurist | mhoney: smokeping |
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| 17:59.30 | BurnItOff | niko d'accord |
| 18:00.00 | BurnItOff | niko est possible k-line pour Bremsstrahlung ? il est xenophobique |
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| 18:04.22 | fqpl | installed debian now but the bootloader is not recognizing my open elec anymore ); someone any ideas |
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| 18:08.32 | BurnItOff | he's still spamming me |
| 18:08.36 | BurnItOff | someone help |
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| 18:11.52 | rgr | whats an "open elec"? |
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| 18:12.01 | rgr | you mean openelec distro? |
| 18:12.20 | abrotman | BurnItOff: I'd actually probably tell #freenode |
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| 18:13.11 | fqpl | yes openelec |
| 18:13.18 | upwardindex | I have some debian and arch machines on a local network. Somehow, the debian machines change IP on every reboot but the arch machines keep theirs. All machines are configured by dhcp. What could cause this? |
| 18:13.23 | rgr | but you see grub? |
| 18:13.39 | mhoney | thanks for the info guys. |
| 18:13.53 | rgr | try running update-grub |
| 18:14.49 | fqpl | ok |
| 18:15.23 | fqpl | just can see the debians |
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| 18:25.28 | heurist | upwardindex: the default dhcp client in debian is isc-dhcp-client. it does a dhcp release on shutdown. either increase the lease time on the dhcp server so it gets the same address next time, or remove it and install another dhcp client like maybe dhcpcd |
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| 18:26.09 | upwardindex | heurist: ah! that would explain it! thank you so much! |
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| 18:26.19 | Acanthi | any idea why I can't add new entry for my samba users via "smbpasswd -a <user?"? I'm logged as root su... |
| 18:26.40 | heurist | !tell Acanthi -about crosspost |
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| 18:27.10 | heurist | !tell Acanthi -about errors |
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| 18:27.26 | Acanthi | my apologies |
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| 18:28.12 | Acanthi | the error sais... 'failed to add entry for user <user> |
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| 18:35.01 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 18:36.07 | jeffrin | i get openssl mismatch or something .. some error while using git |
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| 18:42.42 | oskie | hello |
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| 18:43.10 | jeffrin | oskie : hi |
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| 18:44.28 | oskie | 'lo. strange that there's so little happening in a channel like #debian |
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| 18:47.48 | belak | Does django open a db connection once per worker or per request |
| 18:48.26 | asterismo | hi |
| 18:48.37 | asterismo | i asked a while ago about enabling SSH on port 80 |
| 18:48.39 | asterismo | in debian |
| 18:48.51 | belak | Oops, wrong channel |
| 18:49.06 | asterismo | i have a couple of questions more, what channel do i have to go? |
| 18:50.01 | belak | asterismo: I meant my question was in the wrong channel. |
| 18:50.06 | belak | Why do you want ssh on port 80? |
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| 18:55.59 | jhutchins | acrocity: Does the user already exist? Is it a valid user on the linux system? |
| 18:56.23 | jhutchins | acrocity: Sorry. |
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| 19:18.30 | rgr | asterismo: quicker to google it than to ask. http://www.ruchirablog.com/how-to-change-ssh-port/ |
| 19:18.45 | rgr | of course you might need to make router changes too. |
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| 19:43.55 | fqpl | I deleted debian and formated the hdd... but its telling me now it coudnt find the grub....why? there is nothing on the hdd anymore?! |
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| 19:45.28 | sexyboy | fqpl: grup remains installed in your boot sector unless you'll delete it |
| 19:45.42 | sexyboy | fqpl: you can do it with tool called dd |
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| 19:46.08 | fqpl | where are the bootsectors stored, I mean hardwarewise? |
| 19:46.10 | sexyboy | fqpl: it tells that it can't find grub because you've removed the /boot partition |
| 19:46.24 | sexyboy | fqpl: afaik it's the first 512kb of the hdd |
| 19:46.48 | fqpl | but I formated the hdd |
| 19:46.51 | fqpl | hahaha |
| 19:47.02 | fqpl | but not the bootsector? |
| 19:47.07 | sexyboy | that's why the grub in your boot sector tells that it can't find the files |
| 19:47.12 | fqpl | never heard about it |
| 19:47.17 | sexyboy | no, formating a hdd does not touch the boot sector |
| 19:47.24 | fqpl | ok! |
| 19:47.33 | fqpl | dd is that software called? |
| 19:47.45 | sexyboy | yes, it's a *nix command |
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| 19:48.30 | sexyboy | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your_disk bs=512 count=1 |
| 19:48.39 | sexyboy | even 512 bytes, not kilobytes |
| 19:49.17 | sexyboy | this zeroes your boot sector (replace /dev/your_disk with the actual path to your disk device file) |
| 19:50.11 | takeyourhatoff | If I am starting a daemon as an unprivilaed user with my init script, how do I make it write a pid file in /var/run/? |
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| 19:51.07 | squisher | takeyourhatoff, start-stop-daemon, at least in debian based distros |
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| 19:52.31 | sexyboy | fqpl: |
| 19:52.49 | takeyourhatoff | squisher: yeah I am using debian but according to the man page --create-pidfile is "only useful when using --background" which i am not because my script goes to background |
| 19:52.55 | sexyboy | fqpl: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your_disk bs=446 count=1 #beter do this |
| 19:52.56 | takeyourhatoff | and it also says to avoid using --background |
| 19:53.13 | sexyboy | because the previous byte amount will nuke your partition table as well |
| 19:53.24 | sexyboy | and you'll have to use testdisk |
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| 19:55.34 | squisher | takeyourhatoff, well, you should just check if the program you run double forks |
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| 19:55.48 | squisher | if it doesn't, then you can still use the pidfile facility |
| 19:56.00 | squisher | the daemon really has no pidfile option? |
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| 19:58.31 | takeyourhatoff | squisher: umm it is not a proper daemon, it is dtach calling rtorrent |
| 19:58.47 | fqpl | I just dont get how to delete that bootsectors |
| 19:59.17 | sexyboy | fqpl: i just shown you a command |
| 19:59.34 | fqpl | and where do i type it in |
| 19:59.40 | sexyboy | in the terminal |
| 19:59.52 | fqpl | in windows? |
| 19:59.55 | sexyboy | well if that's what you want to do |
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| 20:00.09 | sexyboy | fqpl: thjis is not a windows support channel |
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| 20:00.27 | sexyboy | fqpl: if you want your windows bootsecttor back boot you windows disk and run fixmbr |
| 20:00.40 | fqpl | yes I know. |
| 20:00.57 | sexyboy | your* |
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| 20:01.54 | takeyourhatoff | squisher: according to the manpage --make-pidfile doesnt work if the process forks even once |
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| 20:02.30 | squisher | takeyourhatoff, no you're reading that wrong |
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| 20:03.23 | squisher | takeyourhatoff, you may find this useful: http://paste.debian.net/119370/ |
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| 20:03.39 | squisher | I didn't author it, but I fixed something (maybe running as a different user? I can't remember) |
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| 20:05.17 | squisher | that's the script I use for starting deluge |
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| 20:26.10 | jhutchins | takeyourhatoff: One consideration is that if the rtorrent process dies or hangs the PID file will still be there. |
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| 20:26.58 | jhutchins | takeyourhatoff: The script can clean it up, but you can get stale PID files that way, and your status check needs to look for both (and report "process missing but PID file present). |
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| 20:36.42 | squisher | jhutchins, isn't that one reason to use start-stop-daemon? I'd assume it handles these things for you... |
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| 20:43.42 | jhutchins | squisher: I think it might hadle cleanup. |
| 20:43.47 | jhutchins | handle |
| 20:44.05 | jhutchins | squisher: Most of my init work pre-dates start-stop-daemon. |
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| 20:44.36 | amehar | Hello. |
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| 20:45.34 | amehar | does anyone know of a debian equiv to centos rpm -qa --changelog |
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| 20:45.39 | angevin | Linux is supposed to be Unix-like not windows-like and systemd is windows-like |
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| 20:45.54 | angevin | systemd caters to a new generation of braindead windows users switching to linux |
| 20:46.15 | angevin | now because of systemd I am never using Linux again and I am moving to FreeBSD |
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| 20:46.25 | angevin | FreeBSD will now dominate the server market and edge linux out of it |
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| 20:46.57 | chb | systemd caters to the "World of Poettering" it is some kind of real life MMORPG ... |
| 20:47.29 | asterismo | hi people |
| 20:47.30 | angevin | Poettering is the one who is appeasing the new braindead windows users with systemd |
| 20:47.49 | asterismo | i installed sslh multiplexer in debian server for redirectioning ssh connections on port 443 |
| 20:47.56 | asterismo | but it cannot start the server |
| 20:48.14 | asterismo | i get this error |
| 20:48.28 | chb | I read some philosophy of him, to me he just seems to want to make his thing cause he has some saviour compley |
| 20:48.28 | asterismo | [....] Starting ssl/ssh multiplexer: sslhhercules.local:https:bind: Address already in use failed! |
| 20:48.48 | smyers | amehar, I usually `zless /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.gz`. There's probably a more elegant method for it, though. |
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| 20:49.09 | asterismo | do i have to disable https in apache? or sslh figures out the traffic? |
| 20:49.16 | squisher | asterismo, what does 'netstat -nlpt | grep 443' say? |
| 20:49.44 | angevin | chb: his philosophy is anti-unix and hence will marginalize linux in the server martket |
| 20:49.44 | squisher | asterismo, I don't know sslh but probably - you can't have two daemons listening on the same port |
| 20:49.59 | angevin | s/martket/market/g |
| 20:50.05 | asterismo | tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 26136/apache2 |
| 20:50.16 | angevin | chb: I am movinv to BSD because they still believe in the unix philosophies |
| 20:50.18 | chb | angevin, exactly :/ - and it is scary how successful he is with that |
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| 20:50.41 | chb | angevin, I always found Slackware rather good to go "home" to |
| 20:50.48 | angevin | chb: well when I started using Linux in the 1990s it was still exclusively for geeks |
| 20:50.54 | angevin | chb: I'm using slackware right now as we speak |
| 20:51.11 | angevin | chb: this new generation of linux users are not geeks and do not want to RTFM |
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| 20:51.19 | angevin | chb: and they want linux to be windows |
| 20:51.23 | chb | angevin, I haven't folled slack lately - did they change the init system? |
| 20:51.56 | chb | I don't mind easy to use but yeah it is a trend to make everything without a choice |
| 20:52.13 | angevin | chb: no they haven't changed the init system |
| 20:52.19 | amehar | whats RTFM? |
| 20:52.24 | jhutchins | angevin: This is not the place for that discusion. |
| 20:52.31 | angevin | amehar: Read the fucking manual |
| 20:52.50 | amehar | angevin: no need to rude |
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| 20:52.58 | chb | oh forgot that this is the debian channel - my bad jhutchins :) |
| 20:53.18 | jhutchins | amehar: Answered you in #ubuntu. Please ask in the channel for the distro you're actually running, they ARE different. |
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| 20:54.04 | jhutchins | angevin: That can be rendered as Read The Fine Manual in polite company such as this. |
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| 20:54.27 | amehar | jhutchins: thanks dude... its actually for both... I dont use ubuntu or debian but was hoping to get this listed for both, I have centos, redhat and opensuse completed |
| 20:54.40 | angevin | when I started to use linux in the 1990s users were expected to read man pages |
| 20:54.44 | amehar | angevin: I jest.. I know what it means.. :) |
| 20:54.53 | angevin | now these newschool ubuntu users don't even know what manpages are |
| 20:55.18 | jhutchins | angevin: This is not the channel for that discussion. Please confine your post to support questions or helpful answers. |
| 20:55.49 | angevin | jhutchins: alright but be prepared for FreeBSD to replace Linux in the server market |
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| 20:56.01 | angevin | jhutchins: thanks to Debian and RHEL etc.. deciding to use systemd |
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| 21:20.23 | Deele | hey |
| 21:21.10 | Deele | I'm trying "lynx" for first time - I want to open specific page and download tar file from there |
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| 21:21.33 | Deele | it downloads, and " |
| 21:21.53 | Deele | "/bin/tar tvf -" appears and user input is avilable, but I don't know what should I do |
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| 21:22.33 | jhutchins | Deele: URL? |
| 21:22.56 | Deele | you want an url, that I'm browsing? |
| 21:22.58 | jhutchins | Deele: wget or curl might be useful. |
| 21:23.25 | Deele | url is long, I can get to link through web page |
| 21:23.35 | Deele | I can't copy it or something, to wget |
| 21:24.05 | jhutchins | !gpm |
| 21:24.05 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:24.13 | Deele | it seems, that lynx is ok, it downloads file, but I don't know where it stores it, and what user input it expects |
| 21:24.34 | Deele | thats nice idea |
| 21:24.40 | jhutchins | Deele: lynx should download it to the folder it was started in. |
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| 21:26.04 | Deele | jhutchins, I guess, lynx opens that file and I get "/bin/tar tvf -" prompt, but whatever string I enter, I see no reaction |
| 21:26.26 | jhutchins | Deele: Do Ctrl-Z to background lynx, ls to see the file, fg to foreground lynx again, Q to quit. |
| 21:26.40 | Deele | ok |
| 21:26.47 | Deele | there is no file |
| 21:27.04 | Deele | Q does nothing |
| 21:27.11 | Deele | ctrl+c returns me to lynx |
| 21:27.13 | jhutchins | Deele: Enter? |
| 21:27.21 | Deele | enter does nothing too |
| 21:27.27 | Deele | I entered various strings |
| 21:27.29 | jhutchins | In lynx |
| 21:27.42 | Deele | it just did not react, while that file is open (I guess) |
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| 21:28.18 | jhutchins | Deele: It sounds like lynx is trying to handle the tar file by running tar on it. That's not something I've seen it do before, but I mostly use wget for downloading. |
| 21:28.30 | ross` | I'm having some issues opening eclipse luna in debian |
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| 21:29.02 | jhutchins | Deele: Yes, that's what it's doing. |
| 21:29.11 | Deele | jhutchins, omg, A MOUSE IN command line, I haven't seen this since... DOS |
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| 21:29.57 | Deele | jhutchins, yes, it seems that it opens that tar.gz file with tar |
| 21:29.57 | ross` | http://scpb.in/eclipse |
| 21:30.01 | jhutchins | Deele: You can comment out tar in /etc/mailcap or just use the d key to download. |
| 21:30.14 | Deele | ok, I will try "D" |
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| 21:31.32 | jhutchins | ross`: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 21:32.03 | onkelhotte | Hi @ all. I'm currently trying to get my lxc containsers to start automatically on debian jessie boot-up. can anyone give me a hint what's the status quo and where I can enable it? |
| 21:32.38 | ross` | jhutchins: i'm running it in a vnc display |
| 21:32.42 | ross` | it shows the splash then gives that error |
| 21:32.47 | Ney | hi, I have an issue that i hope i can solve with rename. but i am not too familier with it. I got a bunch of subfolders each with one or at most a few files in them. I want to rename the files in the subfolders, to match the directory but keep their extensions, i this possible? |
| 21:33.18 | ross` | Ney: can you give us an output of tree rootdir |
| 21:33.21 | ross` | not your system root |
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| 21:33.56 | Pscho-Debian | I am observing a bug, but not sure if this is from the package, or from the Debian OS. I am trying to right click the mouse, so that I can save a PDF with the "save as" feature, but nothing happens. It this an OS problem? |
| 21:34.15 | Ney | it's just "folder1name/xxx.ext" etc. |
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| 21:34.33 | Ney | somehow the data got generated with useles filenames but useful folder names |
| 21:34.37 | Ney | just trying to correct it |
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| 21:36.03 | ross` | Ney: i'd use perl for that |
| 21:36.20 | ross` | for each file in dir rename file to dir.extention |
| 21:36.29 | ross` | where extension is a matched and stored regular expression. |
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| 21:38.06 | Ney | oh, seems some helpful fella on #linux knew a trick |
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| 21:38.09 | Ney | gotta try that first |
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| 21:39.45 | atula | Not sure where to ask this question about xargs, so I'll try here. |
| 21:39.46 | atula | I have this command: fswatch -o /watchpath/| xargs -n1 /path/bin/fab test:watch_mode=True and for some reason, it always complain that 'xargs: /path/bin/fab test:watch_mode=True: No such file or directory' when I run '/path/bin/fab test:watch_mode=True' it runs fine. fswatch just echo our files changed to pipe to xargs. Thanks for your help. |
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| 21:44.59 | jhutchins | Ney: There is a rename command (often a perl script) that's pretty standard now. You could cobble somethnig together with bash and find, but use what's already tested. |
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| 21:45.19 | jhutchins | Ney: Oh, you might back up everything before you start in case of oops. |
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| 21:48.59 | Ney | someone quite bash handy used a compination of find and some bash magic to whip together a oneline script |
| 21:49.32 | Ney | find -mindepth 2 -execdir bash -c 'for f; do mv "$f" "./${PWD##*/}.${f##*.}"; done' _ {} + |
| 21:49.49 | Ney | where echo instead of mv would test the thing |
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| 21:50.25 | Ney | works a charm, tho I dont 100% understand the bash parameter extensions (PWD being the worst) |
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| 21:51.15 | jhutchins | Ney: Pring Working Directory |
| 21:51.23 | Ney | aaah |
| 21:51.27 | jhutchins | Print |
| 21:51.32 | Ney | then it (almost) makes sense |
| 21:52.06 | Ney | actually it makes quite a bit sence |
| 21:52.17 | jhutchins | Ney: I'm not sure I follow the preservation of the extension myself. |
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| 21:52.43 | Ney | ##* strips anything but the last extension |
| 21:52.47 | Ney | afaik |
| 21:53.06 | Ney | ##*. strips anything but the last extension |
| 21:53.10 | Ney | needs the . ofc |
| 21:54.45 | Ney | not sure why PWD would need the ##. tbh |
| 21:55.14 | jhutchins | Ney: Think I'll save that for further study, could be quite useful. |
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| 21:55.26 | jhutchins | Ney: BTW #bash can be very helpful. |
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| 21:56.33 | Ney | ooh PWD needs ##* to obviusly only take the LAST directory |
| 21:56.41 | Ney | so you dont get the whole structure |
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| 22:50.14 | hoarycripple | am I paranoid or is it actually really quiet in here? |
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| 22:51.47 | sexyboy | silence before storm |
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| 22:53.23 | cynicallemon | we're waiting to pounce |
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| 22:54.34 | sexyboy | soon |
| 22:54.50 | cynicallemon | yes i need a victim |
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| 23:03.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 23:04.25 | DexterF | deb7 htpc/raid, java process went nuts, cannot even kill -9 it. |
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| 23:05.15 | DexterF | two rm processes won't finish running on the OS hdd, the DVB backend seems to have crashed, cannot kill that process either |
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| 23:05.47 | DexterF | good news is no i/o on the raid atm. how can I stop the system without risking fs damage? |
| 23:05.52 | krthnz | DexterF: process in "D" state ? |
| 23:06.30 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: in general, you can sync, then unmount, then sync again, and then reboot |
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| 23:06.41 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: use the magic sysreq keys to do that |
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| 23:07.11 | DexterF | alt-sysrq-s-u-b you say? worth a shot. |
| 23:07.15 | DexterF | krthnz: yes, D indeed |
| 23:08.00 | krthnz | any kernel oopses or stuff like that in "dmesg" ? |
| 23:08.11 | Randomer | Hi everyone. Is anyone using xfce4 at the moment? I read about a bug that breaks the battery monitor after systemd is installed. Is there an alternative battery monitor? |
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| 23:08.32 | DexterF | krthnz: no, not at all |
| 23:08.59 | krthnz | will an issued "df" hang too ? |
| 23:09.14 | Randomer | (One that doesn't involve installing tonnes of gnome or KDE dependencies, preferably) |
| 23:09.17 | DexterF | krthnz: df responds fine |
| 23:09.50 | sexyboy | Randomer: conky |
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| 23:10.27 | adespota | conky <3 |
| 23:10.30 | krthnz | easiest way to resolve D processes is rebooting, as dondelelcaro said |
| 23:10.57 | DexterF | uninterruptible sleep - what does that mean anyway? |
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| 23:11.30 | Randomer | Thanks sexyboy, my only worry about conky is that (as far as I remember) it takes up desktop space and can be covered by windows unless I set an area for it. |
| 23:11.40 | sand3r | hi what debian should i use for my macpro? |
| 23:11.58 | sand3r | macbookpro |
| 23:12.07 | DexterF | I'll be damn, the multimedia keyb has no SysRq key... thanks, Logitech.. |
| 23:12.15 | DexterF | gets shoddy old usb keyb |
| 23:12.26 | krthnz | DexterF: it means its waiting for something before it can continue. something meaning probably a reaction from a mounted filesystem |
| 23:12.35 | sexyboy | Randomer: welp, you have virtual workspaces in xfce to solve this issue |
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| 23:12.46 | sand3r | debian-cd/7.6.0/ia64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:12.51 | sand3r | should i use this? |
| 23:13.08 | sinonick | sand3r, you need the amd64 not ia64 |
| 23:13.16 | sand3r | amd? |
| 23:13.23 | sand3r | i thought macbookpro using intel? |
| 23:13.36 | sexyboy | Randomer: also, you could just use the 'acpi' command in your terminal |
| 23:14.01 | sinonick | sand3r, ia64 is for itanium processors, for typical intel processors you need the amd64 |
| 23:14.20 | sexyboy | Randomer: at least for the time, utill the xfce applet gets fixed |
| 23:14.24 | sexyboy | untill* |
| 23:14.31 | sand3r | sinonick thanks m8 |
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| 23:14.51 | Randomer | sexyboy: I think that's probably best. Thanks for all the assistance. :) |
| 23:14.58 | sexyboy | np |
| 23:15.06 | sinonick | sand3r, also for a daily desktop use i would suggest jessie (testing), not wheezy (stable) |
| 23:15.22 | sand3r | sinonick: why? |
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| 23:16.39 | sand3r | sinonick: debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso <- this one? is it good? |
| 23:16.40 | sinonick | sand3r, a bit more recent versions of stuff. just a suggestion you don't have to do so :) |
| 23:16.41 | DexterF | sand3r: story goes "debian testing is still more table than other distro's stable releases" and usually has a lot fresher packages |
| 23:16.49 | sinonick | sand3r, yes it's what o |
| 23:16.57 | sinonick | sand3r, yes it's what i'm using |
| 23:17.36 | MrFrood | testing is called testing for a reason |
| 23:17.42 | sand3r | DexterF: but in the same way, debian stable is much stable? |
| 23:18.01 | DexterF | sand3r: don't ask me, I just blew mine to pieces :D |
| 23:18.10 | DexterF | nah, j/k, it's very solid |
| 23:18.15 | sand3r | hehe |
| 23:18.24 | DexterF | unless you do horrible things to it (like me) |
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| 23:18.35 | DexterF | bugger, I cannot even vgchange -an |
| 23:19.12 | MrFrood | for desktop use Stable plus backports until one really knows how Debian works |
| 23:19.21 | DexterF | samba and nfs stopped, volumes are unmonted... what else, dammit |
| 23:19.26 | sand3r | is testing smoother then stable? |
| 23:19.34 | DexterF | heck no |
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| 23:19.54 | MrFrood | !testing |
| 23:19.55 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 23:20.00 | DexterF | it will besiege you with updates every 3 minutes and occasionally breaks stuff |
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| 23:20.29 | MrFrood | note the last bit of dpkg's message |
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| 23:20.55 | DexterF | vgchange -an comes up with: "Can't deactivate volume group "raid" with 3 open logical volume(s)" <- idea? |
| 23:21.13 | asterismo | hi people |
| 23:21.27 | sand3r | MrFood thanks |
| 23:21.29 | asterismo | does anyone managed to install netflix on debian 7.5 stable? |
| 23:21.45 | sand3r | good info |
| 23:21.50 | asterismo | is there any good tutorial out there? i see a few but |
| 23:22.27 | MrFrood | !tell asterismo about netflix |
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| 23:22.36 | asterismo | maybe there is one better |
| 23:22.56 | MrFrood | asterismo: you should have a message from the infobot |
| 23:23.12 | asterismo | thanks |
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| 23:23.16 | asterismo | i'm reading it |
| 23:23.18 | DexterF | ah, mount on NFS dir was still active |
| 23:24.30 | sand3r | why are debian best? |
| 23:24.31 | asterismo | MrFrood: is Chrome or Chromium? |
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| 23:25.24 | erik_ | Is it okay to ask questions about packages that come included with debian in this channel? |
| 23:25.39 | sinonick | sand3r, what do you mean? |
| 23:25.50 | MrFrood | if you are asking in relation to the article linked to, no idea but I'd guess chrome as it has more media stuff built in |
| 23:25.53 | sand3r | sinonick, how come that so many distos are based on debian? |
| 23:26.22 | MrFrood | sand3r: been around longer than most |
| 23:26.33 | sinonick | sand3r, ah well, it's organized, it's stable, it's got very dedicated people behind the project. and it's OLD aka ANCIENT |
| 23:26.39 | sand3r | MrFrood, slackware as well |
| 23:26.49 | sinonick | yep |
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| 23:27.31 | MrFrood | sand3r: yes... but Debian is run by more than a one man band ;) |
| 23:29.11 | MrFrood | !tell sand3r about why debian |
| 23:30.02 | DexterF | MrFrood: well, Pat doesn't run Slackware single-handed anymore, really :) but given it's only a handful people their doing a great job. I miss Slackware, it's just a bit hard to maintain |
| 23:30.24 | cafuego | Pff, my* slack 3.0 box is fine still :-) |
| 23:30.49 | MrFrood | dependancy tracking is a wonderful thing :-| |
| 23:31.00 | sinonick | slackware was my first desktop distro (with dropline gnome). let me tell you, it was one hell of a nightmare :P |
| 23:31.10 | cafuego | Gnome? fvwm! |
| 23:31.15 | sinonick | ironically i was running fedora as a server and debian as a router |
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| 23:31.29 | cafuego | you whipper snappers |
| 23:31.32 | cafuego | flounces off |
| 23:31.41 | sinonick | yes that's what all the slackware people said when i told them i used gnome |
| 23:32.03 | DexterF | sinonick: a very instructive nightmare. taught me tons about linux under the bonnet. |
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| 23:32.34 | cafuego | when i used slack there was no gnome; so that was an easy choice :-P |
| 23:32.40 | sand3r | fedora is so gay, i remember the last time i used slackware. it was a like a dream for me.. |
| 23:32.53 | cafuego | !gay |
| 23:32.53 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 23:32.55 | sinonick | DexterF, unfortunately i was too much of a noob to actually learn from it. i believe debian would have been so much more constructive |
| 23:33.01 | sand3r | clean install of slackware |
| 23:33.10 | sand3r | no graphic at all |
| 23:33.19 | sand3r | i was noob :P |
| 23:33.52 | sinonick | i was running 2.4 kernel and for months i was hopelessly trying to build my own 2.6 kernel to get automount for usb drives |
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| 23:34.06 | sinonick | anyway that's offtopic sorry for that :) |
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| 23:35.06 | DexterF | I recently looked into distros that you can trim in size to below 100MB installation including X+xterm or a simply window manager. still package manager and common programs would be good. slack came to mind. |
| 23:35.47 | DexterF | unless that's possible with debian? |
| 23:35.49 | sinonick | can't you do that with debian? |
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| 23:36.38 | sand3r | go to sleep |
| 23:36.44 | sand3r | cya |
| 23:36.48 | sinonick | bb |
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| 23:38.42 | sinonick | DexterF, i would try a bootstrap installation then busybox and whatever else needed, i think that would fit in 100mb |
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| 23:43.01 | sinonick | DexterF, i was looking around for what you mentioned. i think this will be useful: https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian |
| 23:43.32 | cynicallemon | i got a bootstrap install down to 92mb a few weeks back but i couldnt log into it for some reason |
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| 23:44.42 | erik_ | I add Audio Mixer to my XFCE panel and it disappears and makes my panel twice as large. |
| 23:44.46 | erik_ | :P |
| 23:45.20 | erik_ | Someone online said they had the same problem and fixed it by installing xfce4-mixer, but I already have that installed |
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| 23:47.02 | racarr | Is there a solution yet for crossbuilding packages which depend on an explicit version of GCC? I've found pages like: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossTranslatableBuildDeps with proposals |
| 23:47.08 | racarr | but am still at a loss |
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| 23:54.32 | erikk__ | I installed some graphics drivers, graphics went wanky after a few minutes of use, then restarted |
| 23:54.39 | erikk__ | The restart literally took only 1 second and I was back at login |
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| 23:54.42 | erikk__ | Does that make sense? |
| 23:54.51 | erikk__ | Why did it only take one second? I tried again and it did the same thing |
| 23:55.22 | sinonick | did it not go through bios and grub? |
| 23:55.30 | erikk__ | I didn't see any evidence of it |
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| 23:56.18 | erikk__ | I just clicked restart, my graphics are back and a panel that was messing up on xfce is now fixed |
| 23:56.23 | erikk__ | But it didn't look like any normal restart |
| 23:56.31 | erikk__ | Looked like I logged out, the screen flickered, and then I logged back in |
| 23:56.43 | erikk__ | That is not normal? |
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