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| 00:01.46 | ruukasu | I needed to do `sudo apt-get -t wheezy install ibus-mozc` because the testing version freezes my machine. when I try to upgrade, it wants to upgrade that package. how can I prevent this? |
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| 00:06.09 | djura-san | ruukasu: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences (ctrl+f "pining") |
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| 00:06.31 | heurist | !frankendebian |
| 00:06.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 00:07.30 | ruukasu | heurist: the thing is |
| 00:07.38 | ruukasu | on stable, I can't use wifi or right-click |
| 00:08.09 | ruukasu | on testing, japanese causes the system to freeze beyond moving the mouse or ctrl+alt+f1 working |
| 00:08.10 | ruukasu | so |
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| 00:08.32 | heurist | !enter |
| 00:08.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:08.38 | ruukasu | seems to me that holding back one package is the best option here, and I have yet to come crying to anyone to fix my "frankendebian" system |
| 00:09.15 | heurist | ruukasu: pinning is what you want to look into, but it is a bit broken and hard to get right. |
| 00:12.09 | _unreal_ | eheheh frankendebian |
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| 00:34.44 | sheamon | loves Debian |
| 00:36.50 | anonnumberanon | big bug with my power manager |
| 00:37.21 | anonnumberanon | comes on every 5 seconds saying that my laptops' battery is fully charged, alternately with saying that my battery is charging |
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| 00:41.24 | NetEcho | Hey guys I'm wondering if there is an easy way maybe over the network to migrate my debian install to another machine? Currently the install resides on my old system on a 150gb drive and the target system has a 1TB drive |
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| 00:49.28 | percY-work | is lamp stack installed as root? |
| 00:50.37 | craigevil | !hold |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
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| 01:57.09 | NetEcho | wow something horribly broke with the jessie installer |
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| 02:23.31 | abrotman | NetEcho: I'm sure you filed a bug |
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| 02:28.45 | NetEcho | abrotman I would if the installer gave me a proper error message |
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| 02:29.04 | NetEcho | just says select and install software has failed. doesn't even get as far as trying to install anything |
| 02:29.55 | NetEcho | I've tried different mirrors too |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | NetEcho: you realize the installer is for testing the install, not installing testing? |
| 02:32.59 | NetEcho | abrotman when did that change? I've used the jessie netinst before to install jessie |
| 02:33.18 | NetEcho | but if that's the case should I just install wheezy and do a dist upgrade? |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | NetEcho: it's alwyas been like that .. just because you got lucky doesn't mean it's the right thing to do |
| 02:34.30 | NetEcho | so dist-upgrade would be the way to go? |
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| 02:41.17 | dragonbo1n | Does anyone know of any good guides on how to use irssi with a proxy? Thanks |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | pehraps in #irssi ? |
| 02:42.11 | dragonbo1n | I just came from irssi. :( |
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| 02:44.51 | zosky` | guys, what is the command in terminal used to make a usb bootable drive again ? |
| 02:46.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zosky` about usb install |
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| 02:47.22 | dragonbo1n | Google "PenDriveLinux". |
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| 02:52.01 | dragonbo1n | Does anyone know of any good guides on how to use a proxy with irssi on a Debian system? |
| 02:52.30 | zosky` | dragonbo1n, in #debian |
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| 02:52.56 | zosky` | or search debian wiki |
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| 02:53.47 | dragonbo1n | hello all |
| 02:54.59 | joobus | hola |
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| 02:56.35 | joobus | if ne1 here uses i3wm, do you use any clipboard manager? |
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| 02:59.42 | transistor | i'm trying to install znc from testing on an install of stable, and i've got all the apt pinning set, but it wants to upgrade a bunch of unrelated stuff like apache2, php, perl, python, etc. Is there a way to prevent that and just install znc? |
| 03:00.12 | centrx | dpkg, tell transistor about ssb |
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| 03:00.30 | centrx | transistor, the newer package is built against those newer libraries, it requires them |
| 03:00.54 | centrx | transistor, However, backporting the package from testing, by building it from source on your stable machine, is likely to be successful |
| 03:01.04 | centrx | transistor, See msg from dpkg about that |
| 03:01.35 | transistor | ok thank you very much =) |
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| 03:05.04 | shay_shay | transistor: i've built it on wheezy, i'm using 1.4 from sid on wheezy on my VPS |
| 03:05.30 | shay_shay | all deps satisfied in wheezy |
| 03:05.53 | transistor | shay_shay: building it from source using apt? |
| 03:05.59 | shay_shay | yes |
| 03:06.10 | transistor | ok thanks =) |
| 03:06.25 | transistor | that's good to know. If i have a problem, i'll at least know it's supposed to work somehow |
| 03:06.29 | shay_shay | i made my sources.list so it only had one deb-src in it, and its for sid |
| 03:06.59 | shay_shay | apt-get build-deps znc && apt-get -b source znc |
| 03:07.29 | transistor | hmm... it seemed to just work for me |
| 03:07.41 | transistor | oh, i made a special pin for znc in preferences from a previous attempt =P |
| 03:07.47 | transistor | no harm in leaving that there |
| 03:07.48 | shay_shay | yeah dont pin it |
| 03:07.52 | transistor | oh really? |
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| 03:07.59 | shay_shay | well i suppose as long as you only pin the source |
| 03:08.07 | shay_shay | i dunno if thats even possible |
| 03:08.15 | transistor | oh hmm... |
| 03:08.30 | shay_shay | never tried it so i guess you would know better than me :P |
| 03:08.50 | transistor | heheh i really don't know any of this. Just learned about pinning, so i'm sure i don't know more than you =P |
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| 03:12.41 | shay_shay | in my experience pinning leads to trouble. i never have more than one deb-src line in my sources.list because I only ever compile from sid (occasionally from other places than package archive) |
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| 03:13.10 | shay_shay | so i've never needed to pin anything on stable, I just either install wheezy-backports or backport stuff myself |
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| 03:13.40 | centrx | I never use pinning |
| 03:15.51 | NetEcho | abrotman: I am running into the same problem with the wheezy netinstall, it fails almost immediately after selecting the packages |
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| 03:16.33 | shay_shay | NetEcho: can you get to a tty and check the logs? |
| 03:17.31 | NetEcho | shay_shay it's over ssh but I can swap my keyboard over to the system if you need me to |
| 03:17.32 | NetEcho | http://i.imgur.com/j8NRhS2.png |
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| 03:18.04 | NetEcho | shay_shay where would the log we need be? |
| 03:18.49 | abrotman | NetEcho: look in the console sdreen |
| 03:19.16 | NetEcho | abrotman pardon? |
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| 03:20.48 | NetEcho | shay_shay i am able to get into tty |
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| 03:21.44 | shay_shay | i think /var/log/installer might be a good place to start |
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| 03:22.24 | NetEcho | shay_shay only logs are partman and syslog |
| 03:23.10 | shay_shay | syslog, as partman is way before that error |
| 03:23.18 | shay_shay | -way |
| 03:23.41 | NetEcho | i see a few thousand lines |
| 03:24.06 | shay_shay | youre using less? |
| 03:24.16 | NetEcho | pkgsel failed with error code 1 |
| 03:24.29 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.37 | shay_shay | e.g. /error |
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| 03:24.46 | shay_shay | press n for next |
| 03:25.46 | NetEcho | dependency errors right before pkgs2l failed |
| 03:26.06 | NetEcho | sel* sry onscreen keyboard sucks |
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| 03:27.40 | shingouz | is there a problem with debian-live-7.6.0-i386-rescue.iso or is it just that the problem child fujitsu amilo pa3515 is fscked up? i cannot make a bootable pendrive with 'cp image /dev/sdX', 'cat image > /dev/sdX' nor 'dd if=image of=/dev/sdX' |
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| 03:31.37 | shay_shay | NetEcho: can you try pulling the log with scp? |
| 03:31.42 | shay_shay | so you can paste it |
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| 03:32.02 | shay_shay | or any other method which you thing is clever |
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| 03:34.04 | NetEcho | shay_shay im just gonna do a dvd install since netinst seems its not going to work tonight |
| 03:34.52 | NetEcho | 2 separate installers same bloody issue |
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| 03:43.48 | wireless_guy | hello.. how to start manually an instance in debian? I tried /etc/init.d/chilli start.. but it worn.. |
| 03:44.38 | centrx | wireless_guy, If a daemon/service is properly installed, it should have a script there that responds to that command |
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| 03:45.01 | wireless_guy | I have it installed in edgerouter lite |
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| 03:45.43 | centrx | wireless_guy, Are you using Debian? |
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| 03:47.23 | wireless_guy | yes centrx. I have debian server..but this thing now is a router.. a different box. It's edgerouterlite.. based on debian.. forked of vyatta |
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| 03:48.43 | centrx | wireless_guy, How did you install this software? Does it come with a README or INSTALL file/ |
| 03:49.03 | shingouz | wireless_guy: based on debian... you really should ask #edgerouterlite if they have a channel here or try their own support. we have no idea what they (or vyatta) have done with debian. it is very much possible that the init script is not even present |
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| 03:50.31 | wireless_guy | ok.. I will try. Thanks anyway. |
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| 03:52.50 | dragonbo1n | . |
| 03:52.57 | lelo | hey guys,,, best DE/WM for a 4k notebook? |
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| 04:27.31 | glassresistor | im reading these docs and not sure if this is typo or what search for pxelinux.0@ https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall#Activate_PXE_boot |
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| 04:28.01 | glassresistor | is the @ a typo and it should read pxelinux.0 its the same for a number of them |
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| 04:38.04 | fishcooker | i have dvd disc which contains video .. how to make backup to iso file? |
| 04:44.39 | blz37 | I am getting unsupported CPU error in mcelog. |
| 04:44.46 | blz37 | how should I fix that? |
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| 04:48.59 | pfsense_rookie | fishcooker, can you explain why you want an ISO? It seems a bit puzzelling. |
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| 04:52.17 | fishcooker | because the disc contain 2 folders video and audio.. how to back it up directly to an iso file pfsense_rookie? |
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| 04:56.46 | pfsense_rookie | I can't help you much with this. It's possible to just use dd, but it not very fail proof for long term storage. |
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| 06:00.33 | jsma | hey guys |
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| 06:00.49 | jsma | i have Debian installed on my computer, but i want to add a windows ionstallation and dual boot |
| 06:00.52 | jsma | is this possible? |
| 06:00.58 | pfsense_rookie | Si. |
| 06:01.10 | centrx | Mu |
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| 06:18.13 | jsma | any ideas? |
| 06:18.40 | centrx | jsma, Resize your Debian partition with parted or gparted |
| 06:18.50 | centrx | jsma, Then install Windows into that extra space |
| 06:19.13 | centrx | jsma, You may want to get/make a Debian rescue disk beforehand |
| 06:19.30 | centrx | jsma, as Windows is or used to be notorious for overwriting the boot record and consigning other OSes to oblivion |
| 06:19.47 | centrx | jsma, so it was always recommended to install Windows first, and let Linux handle installing after Windows |
| 06:19.58 | jsma | centrx: yea i remember that from a couple years ago |
| 06:20.06 | centrx | jsma, but it should work resizing your existing partition and installing Windows in the newly created free space |
| 06:20.10 | jsma | but im wondering if that has changed yet... |
| 06:20.16 | centrx | jsma, Check if Windows still wants to always be at the beginning of the disk |
| 06:20.33 | jsma | ok, so your saying i t should work to resize the linux partition and install windows AFTER linux? |
| 06:20.46 | jsma | as in at a larger LBA than the Linmux partition? |
| 06:21.23 | centrx | The Windows boot loader/installer is smarter now but look for a guide online that confirms what I'm saying |
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| 06:29.08 | jsma | centrx: if gparted reports my partitions as having UUIDs, does that imply that i dont have the 4 primary partition limit? |
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| 06:30.25 | Terminator | *sorry |
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| 06:44.44 | afsal | please help, my keyboard has two layouts (en, ml) but when i'm trying in ml it automatically changes to en |
| 06:46.00 | pfsense_rookie | afsal, How you do? |
| 06:46.13 | Terminator | !ml |
| 06:46.13 | dpkg | hmm... ml is meta-language, a functional language used by computer science professors to frustrate their students.. Mali, or short for <Mailing List> |
| 06:47.13 | afsal | no ml stands for malayalam. a language from Indian state kerala |
| 06:47.44 | afsal | it happen accedently. yesterday i used that |
| 06:48.38 | afsal | pfsense_rookie: from region and language setting |
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| 06:49.55 | pfsense_rookie | afsal, you but the preferred keyboard layout on top of the list. |
| 06:50.32 | afsal | first one is en (english) |
| 06:51.29 | afsal | pfsense_rookie: but it not working. it only changes to ml when clicking the language bar |
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| 06:53.52 | pfsense_rookie | Is bug. Maybe it's best if you make script to force layout with command line. |
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| 06:54.25 | afsal | i don't know how to do that, do you help me? |
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| 06:56.03 | pfsense_rookie | You can find all the info at; https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 09:39.37 | SlickRick420 | hihi |
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| 09:40.44 | SlickRick420 | updated my weed blog few days ago www.salvia420.blogspot.com <3 |
| 09:40.49 | SlickRick420 | :) |
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| 09:57.43 | SlickRick420 | www.salvia420.blogspot.ca |
| 09:57.44 | SlickRick420 | yall c |
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| 09:58.25 | WinCaptain | Hello. I want to make it so that when I turn my computer on it makes one of the two connected monitors show some access logs in a way tha it doesn't interfere with the other monitor and in a way that I don't have to open up and drag the windows whenever I turn it on. |
| 09:58.29 | SlickRick420 | i added some new stuff to the blog guys www.salvia420.blogspot.com theres a few new samples on the top and side :D lmk watcha think |
| 09:58.47 | WinCaptain | Can I get a sample for free? |
| 09:58.54 | SlickRick420 | check ito ut |
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| 09:59.25 | WinCaptain | Not without a proxy, my friend. |
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| 10:01.05 | WinCaptain | Looks okay I guess. I thought you could order salvia from there. |
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| 10:16.36 | spectr | Hello :) |
| 10:16.41 | spectr | How are you ? |
| 10:18.18 | Nik05 | hello |
| 10:20.47 | rgr | christ on a bike what an awful web site that is. |
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| 10:25.02 | spectr | What do you think is the best way to voice chat over internet ? |
| 10:27.16 | jolt | spectr: Easiest is probably hangouts or skype. Best, not sure. Depends on whom you are going to talk to, if it's multi-platform or not |
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| 10:32.48 | ThKo | Hi guys, Iâm going to install Android SDK on an headless Debian 7.6 LAMP 64 Bitâ¦If I get Android SDK by wget etc. and put this folder into ~/dev/android-sdk-tools/ for example, my user www-data canât execute the âandroidâ command. Is there a way to put the sdk-tools into a shared folder, where EVERY user can execute the command? Of course I put the paths into /etc/.bashrc ⦠Thank you for your hints :-) |
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| 10:33.12 | spectr | jolt, I would prefer to talk within ssh |
| 10:33.15 | spectr | 1 on 1 |
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| 10:33.28 | spectr | You think it is possible ? |
| 10:33.44 | spectr | What should I use ? |
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| 10:38.07 | valdyn | !mumble |
| 10:38.08 | dpkg | Mumble is an open-source, cross-platform, low latency <VoIP> client and server similar to <TeamSpeak> and <Ventrilo>. http://mumble.sf.net/FAQ http://mumble.sf.net/ #mumble on irc.freenode.net |
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| 10:41.06 | WinCaptain | Hello. I want to make it so that when I turn my computer on it makes one of the two connected monitors show some access logs in a way tha it doesn't interfere with the other monitor and in a way that I don't have to open up and drag the windows whenever I turn it on. |
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| 10:42.24 | jolt | spectr: there is a command called "talk" if you want to chat in a server over ssh. Not sure I understand the requirement here |
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| 10:52.35 | spectr | Yeah, but I mean VOICE chat ? :] |
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| 10:56.13 | ashva | Hi, there are some files on my debian server like /etc/sfewfesfs that is always running and generates unwanted huge traffic . they were list on /etc/rc.local. I've removed all of them but ther still exists. does some know how I can remove them permanently? |
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| 10:59.42 | jolt | spectr: So look at mumble then |
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| 11:00.13 | ashva | any idea? |
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| 11:01.34 | jolt | ashva: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23292718/am-i-hacked-unknow-processes-dsfref-gfhddsfew-dsfref-etc-are-starting-automa |
| 11:01.47 | jolt | ashva: If that is the case, then a reinstall is a VERY good idea |
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| 11:03.44 | ashva | jolt: thank's for reply. well, yes this is the case, also I've checked that already but I thought there may be some other solution except reinstalling the machine :( |
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| 11:04.17 | jolt | ashva: Rootkit hunter. But there are no garantees |
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| 11:07.54 | ashva | jolt: yep I've also checked that too :( |
| 11:08.21 | jolt | ashva: get the packet list and re-install |
| 11:08.21 | ashva | jolt: you're right it seems I should reinstall the box |
| 11:08.47 | ashva | jolt: thank you very much for your time and advises ;) |
| 11:09.27 | jolt | ashva: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/669/Cloning_a_Debian_system_-_identical_packages_and_versions |
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| 11:10.09 | jolt | ashva: something like that or dpkg --get-selections can help you get the installed packages, then you can copy the necessary stuff from /etc and your homedir |
| 11:12.05 | ashva | jolt: I really appreciate that, that helped a lot |
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| 11:16.30 | WinCaptain | Hello. I want to make it so that when I turn my computer on it makes one of the two connected monitors show some access logs in a way tha it doesn't interfere with the other monitor and in a way that I don't have to open up and drag the windows whenever I turn it on. WHOEVER KNOWS /MSG ME BECAUSE IM WALKING AROUND THE ROOM TIDYING |
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| 11:16.35 | WinCaptain | PLS |
| 11:16.37 | WinCaptain | pls* |
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| 11:17.38 | valdyn | WinCaptain: its just not easily possible |
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| 11:18.19 | WinCaptain | I'm vaguely aware of this since I don't know how to do it save from writing an rc startup script that opens and positions two terminal windows. |
| 11:18.37 | abrotman | roottail ? |
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| 11:18.48 | WinCaptain | access and error tail |
| 11:18.58 | WinCaptain | but that sounds more approximate. |
| 11:19.06 | WinCaptain | It's for my web server. |
| 11:19.11 | abrotman | That's not what I meant.. |
| 11:19.22 | WinCaptain | roottail I figure tails root log. |
| 11:19.30 | WinCaptain | i.e. every action...? |
| 11:19.43 | WinCaptain | or did I get that wrong :p |
| 11:19.46 | valdyn | the part that is not easily possible is having an independent monitor |
| 11:20.10 | abrotman | I guess you'd have to login for root-tail |
| 11:20.30 | WinCaptain | Is it not possible to have two different tty sessions on two different monitors? |
| 11:20.32 | abrotman | rather "login anyway" |
| 11:20.39 | valdyn | WinCaptain: correct |
| 11:20.48 | WinCaptain | Awww... |
| 11:20.57 | WinCaptain | I was sort of relying on that functionality for future expansion. |
| 11:21.51 | valdyn | you would need 1 X Session spanning both monitors and a nested X on each |
| 11:22.14 | WinCaptain | Sounds non-standard. |
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| 11:22.58 | ThKo | Hi guys, one question: Is there a way to execute a command e.g. âwhoamiâ by www-data as other user like root or custom user? Thank you :) |
| 11:24.00 | WinCaptain | and i aint even started mounting things to m walls |
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| 11:26.03 | WinCaptain | Is there a distance limit to mall bought network cables? Like, electrical resistance or something? |
| 11:26.35 | abrotman | depends on which type of cables IIRC |
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| 11:28.08 | WinCaptain | Grey plasticrubber of rubberplastic, says "hama". The plain shelf ones. |
| 11:28.17 | WinCaptain | I mean, nothing specialized. |
| 11:28.24 | valdyn | WinCaptain: hama is just a vendor |
| 11:28.40 | valdyn | WinCaptain: do you need more than 50 meters? |
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| 11:29.12 | WinCaptain | I'm wondering what the limit is, maybe I can do something really cool with a really long cable. What about usb? |
| 11:29.30 | valdyn | WinCaptain: ethernet would be 100m i guess, maybe more |
| 11:29.37 | valdyn | WinCaptain: usb is much less |
| 11:29.38 | abrotman | it depends cat5 vs cat6 |
| 11:29.58 | abrotman | isn't sure if you can still buy cat5 |
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| 11:30.18 | WinCaptain | Damn, 100m, less for usb. I'd need switches then I presume. |
| 11:30.26 | abrotman | though, I'm sure there's a more relevant channel than #debian |
| 11:30.33 | WinCaptain | You're right, sorry. |
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| 11:31.33 | ThKo | Or otherwise: Is there a way to login by www-data via ssh? |
| 11:31.51 | WinCaptain | www-data@127.0.0.1 ? |
| 11:32.14 | valdyn | !xy problem |
| 11:32.17 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 11:32.21 | valdyn | ThKo: ^^ read carefully |
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| 11:33.31 | WinCaptain | Well, I dunno about this guy but I sometimes prefer more obtuse methods of doing things just because it's more hackerish. |
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| 11:33.45 | gorgath | Hi I have a frankenubuntu |
| 11:33.55 | WinCaptain | shreaks in terror. |
| 11:33.57 | abrotman | gorgath: try #ubuntu |
| 11:34.13 | gorgath | it seems that shuttleworth changed debian a bit |
| 11:34.18 | gorgath | I downloaded the result |
| 11:34.39 | abrotman | gorgath: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 11:35.04 | gorgath | don't split hairs |
| 11:35.24 | WinCaptain | Debian and Ubuntu are different distros. |
| 11:35.38 | WinCaptain | If you say they aren't then people could come here willy-nilly for Linux Mint help. |
| 11:36.02 | WinCaptain | #imnoexpertbut |
| 11:37.29 | WinCaptain | You know what's great... ever since I got Linux I now hae more free time to clean up my room. |
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| 11:37.51 | WinCaptain | I was going to do thatright after I cleaned up my computer. |
| 11:37.56 | WinCaptain | It was not possible due to having Windows. |
| 11:38.03 | nkuttler | WinCaptain: we have a #debian-offtopic channel |
| 11:38.51 | Samysam_ | hello guys, I'm trying to configure syslog-ng to dispatch logs to a multicast address, and all seems ok, but I can't see anything from wireshark. Here my config/tests : http://pastebin.com/65ac2uYm. Any hints ? ( I'm a network and admin noob ^^) |
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| 12:22.17 | spectr | exit |
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| 12:28.36 | Tebyan | hi all |
| 12:29.24 | kernalogs | L O |
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| 12:31.15 | Tebyan | when i executed the configure file of a software (in kali linux) it shows me an error like : ssl_lib not found can you help me how to fix it? |
| 12:32.45 | abrotman | Tebyan: you should ask their support channel, we don't support Kali here |
| 12:33.17 | abrotman | Tebyan: that'd be #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:33.29 | Tebyan | abrotman: whare shoud i go? |
| 12:33.35 | abrotman | I just told you |
| 12:33.48 | Tebyan | thanx! |
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| 12:34.34 | Tebyan | abrotman: plz tell me which chanel? |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | I did, look five lines above |
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| 12:35.06 | Tebyan | oh sorry thenk you! |
| 12:36.45 | Tebyan | abrotman: which chanel is for hackers to ask their questions? (sorry this is my last question!) |
| 12:36.55 | abrotman | I don't know, not this one |
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| 12:37.02 | abrotman | Good luck |
| 12:37.21 | Tebyan | thank you ! Good Luck! :) |
| 12:37.25 | Tebyan | bye! |
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| 12:42.13 | miggyb | how do I cd to a directory named dash? I've tried 'cd \-' and 'cd "-"' and both of them just bring me one directory up |
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| 12:42.41 | Tebyan | abrotman: sorry can you tell me that chanel again? (plz) |
| 12:42.51 | miggyb | or is '-' displayed when it's a special character? |
| 12:43.38 | abrotman | Tebyan: #kali-linux |
| 12:43.45 | Tebyan | miggyb: use cd .. |
| 12:43.45 | krion | try cd -- - |
| 12:43.54 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:44.02 | Tebyan | abrotman: :* |
| 12:44.05 | abrotman | please go |
| 12:44.55 | krion | miggyb: cd -- -/. |
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| 12:45.40 | miggyb | krion: that did it, thanks |
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| 12:46.13 | Tebyan | miggyb: did you understand? repeat typing cd .. to go to dash directory! |
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| 12:46.41 | miggyb | Tebyan: that just brings you a directory up, i had a directory literally named '-' without the quotes |
| 12:46.44 | abrotman | so wrong, he doesn't even understand |
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| 12:46.59 | miggyb | typing 'cd -' just brings you a directory up as well |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | miggyb: have you tried "cd -<tab>" |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:47.31 | themill | it takes you to your previous directory not necessarily a directory up |
| 12:47.46 | miggyb | the suggestion krion suggested works, "cd -- -/." |
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| 12:48.02 | kernalogs | find file in file manager, cut paste in console app (no control keys), after cd with a space ... |
| 12:48.29 | miggyb | i'm not going to install X11 to go in a directory :) |
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| 12:48.43 | kernalogs | :D |
| 12:49.27 | nkuttler | miggyb: cd -- - ? |
| 12:49.36 | nkuttler | ah, never mind.. |
| 12:49.47 | themill | miggyb: -- is a pretty common thing to use to separate options from file arguments. Almost all builtins accept it (as well as everything in coreutils) |
| 12:49.53 | miggyb | that one didn't work either for some reason, nkuttler. yeah, not hard to try it out on your local machine |
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| 12:50.16 | miggyb | themill: good to know, thanks. i'm sure i'll find something like this again |
| 12:50.28 | miggyb | i remember someone needing to use that with grep, didn't think about using it here |
| 12:50.35 | themill | yeah. Goog for files that start with - too |
| 12:50.56 | miggyb | right! guessing 'rm -' acts crazy as well |
| 12:51.15 | kernalogs | sure does |
| 12:51.28 | themill | even more fun when you have a file "-f" or "-r" |
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| 12:52.44 | miggyb | also sounds like a nice prank to play, hmmm... |
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| 12:53.48 | kernalogs | maybe a ./ prefix like ./- |
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| 13:32.33 | wallbroken | hi |
| 13:32.38 | wallbroken | how to keep aliases ? |
| 13:32.49 | wallbroken | after reboot i loose them |
| 13:33.31 | abrotman | put them in your .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 13:34.35 | wallbroken | abrotman, of root of normal user? |
| 13:34.47 | abrotman | whomever needs the alias? |
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| 13:35.17 | wallbroken | abrotman, both the user |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | okay, then maybe in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 13:36.21 | wallbroken | abrotman, can i put them wherever in the file? |
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| 13:36.32 | wallbroken | there is no a precise section where to put them? |
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| 13:39.51 | rgr | wallbroken: for you yes. Your .bashrc. you cold also stick them in a different file in /usr or /etc or something and source them into your .bashrc and that of root should you want. |
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| 13:40.25 | wallbroken | rgr, i need to use them from all the user of the system |
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| 13:41.00 | abrotman | yes, he covered that |
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| 13:42.10 | rgr | then add them to /etc/bash.bashrc and source them in /etc/profile as the comments say. Note that its not trivial as to which files are sourced : depends on login shell or not. |
| 13:43.11 | rgr | (and dont believe half the answers in stackoverflow - debian does its own thing too : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html |
| 13:44.05 | wallbroken | the other problem is "alt+gr" button doesn't work |
| 13:44.37 | wallbroken | maybe is a virtualbox VM bug.. i don't know |
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| 13:57.04 | Tiberio | hi all, I'm using gftp to trasfer several files... sometimes I see a *red words row* but it's very fast (there are many little files) and red row goes away from the log window |
| 13:57.19 | Tiberio | how to know gftp errors? |
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| 13:58.16 | Tiberio | how to know files aren't uploaded right? |
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| 14:04.37 | horsik | i see there's fglrx-legacy-driver in sid, i thought it's not compatible with xorg >1.12.49? |
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| 14:04.58 | rgr | fot alt-gr you may need to mess with xev and .xmodmap. google. |
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| 14:06.10 | ocib | when I mount as root in a chroot an iso image on a directory, the unprivileged user within the chroot has no access at all to the contents, only the root user in the chroot or the unprivileged user without the chroot. Any idea what's on there? |
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| 14:07.57 | rgr | unpriviled user outside the chroot sees it? |
| 14:08.06 | ocib | rgr: yes |
| 14:08.17 | ocib | rgr: I guess it doesn't seem to be a regular permissions problem |
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| 14:13.16 | ocib | rgr: any idea what could be the cause? |
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| 14:17.53 | rgr | Its almost impossible to visualise. Paste the ls -al output and the output of mount somewhere in a pastebin for all users. Maybe that will help. |
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| 14:23.59 | ocib | rgr: it's strange because according to the permissions anyone should be allowed to access: https://paste.debian.net/119718/ |
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| 14:24.24 | abrotman | ocib: have you tested this outside the chroot? |
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| 14:25.20 | ocib | abrotman: yes, works flawlessly. Even unprivileged users may access, which reflects the permissions |
| 14:25.42 | ocib | abrotman: *I mean unprivileged users outside the chroot |
| 14:26.53 | ocib | rgr, abrotman: the output for unprivileged users outside the chroot is like the output of root within the chroot which I have posted |
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| 14:31.44 | valdyn | ocib: this has nothing to do with permissions |
| 14:32.10 | ocib | valdyn: this is what I already guessed :-) but what is the source of my trouble? |
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| 14:33.06 | valdyn | ocib: above all, the output of "mount" is irrelevant |
| 14:33.52 | valdyn | ocib: the user id should be irrelvant too, how to you switch between root and not-root ? |
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| 14:34.49 | ocib | valdyn: I access the chroot as root or an ordinary user |
| 14:35.14 | ocib | valdyn: rgr requested my output of the mount command |
| 14:35.16 | pycoderf | hello all. i just installed a minimal vm with the mate desktop and ldm. however ldm does not start at boot and i get a terminal login and have to start x. i install ldm and xorg as well as mate so startx does work. what step did i miss |
| 14:35.28 | valdyn | ocib: ok, but *how* ? |
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| 14:35.43 | ocib | valdyn: schroot -c j |
| 14:36.08 | valdyn | ocib: so its using 2 different configs depending |
| 14:36.16 | valdyn | ocib: on which uid |
| 14:36.36 | ocib | valdyn: how do you suggest entering the chroot? |
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| 14:36.56 | valdyn | ocib: i dont know schroot, beyond the fact that its some helper around chroot |
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| 14:38.58 | valdyn | ocib: maybe the iso is not really mounted when you run schroot as user, but then again, i dont know what schroot does |
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| 14:42.11 | ocib | valdyn: but it seems to have something to do with the user being unprivileged because I can access it as a privileged user. On the other hand, unprivileged users outside of the chroot can access the mount also... |
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| 14:44.14 | valdyn | ocib: when dont you run your schroot... as user, the use the su command |
| 14:44.20 | pycoderf | oh i got it. ldm is a package but i wanted lightdm |
| 14:44.33 | valdyn | ocib: and you will see if or how the uid really matters at that point |
| 14:45.05 | valdyn | ocib: *why* dont you run your "schroot..." as user, then use the su command |
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| 14:47.03 | ocib | valdyn: when I try to su it is asking a password which is not set |
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| 14:49.33 | rgr | you mean the user isnt added to sudoers? |
| 14:50.05 | ocib | rgr: it's about su, not sudo |
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| 14:51.15 | ocib | rgr: sudo is not even installed and I try to refrain from using it |
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| 14:53.08 | zambo1i | hi |
| 14:53.21 | zambo1i | i don |
| 14:53.36 | zambo1i | i don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 14:53.41 | rgr | interesting.... |
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| 14:54.01 | zambo1i | yes, i am trying to find the package that will deliver the goods |
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| 14:54.08 | zambo1i | but am coming up with nada |
| 14:54.17 | zambo1i | tried xserver-xorg-core, nada |
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| 14:54.44 | abrotman | zambo1i: you don't, just create the directory |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | zambo1i: and the package to install for Xorg is 'xorg' |
| 14:55.28 | ocib | zambo1i: have you already checked wiki.debian.org/Xorg ? the directory you named is mentioned several times there |
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| 14:56.41 | zambo1i | i suppose you want me to install a textual browser |
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| 14:57.25 | zambo1i | everything is working now, thank you |
| 14:57.47 | zambo1i | you kind and wonderful people |
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| 15:15.26 | muculus | I need a clue, I have two network interface and two different id address, how can I run a command (for example wget) to send request from one interface, then change it to another interface? |
| 15:16.43 | muculus | I mean how can I specify which interface to use by a command. |
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| 15:25.29 | arcke | i like to use "nameserver 127.0.0.1" as my only option in resolv.conf, but my wlan1 script overwrites it with provider nameservers, how can I prevent this? |
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| 15:32.27 | ocib | arcke: what "wlat1 script"? |
| 15:33.21 | arcke | ocib: ifup wlan1 |
| 15:33.34 | arcke | i guess its dhclient overwriting the file |
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| 15:33.56 | arcke | and i found this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/dhclient-etcresolvconf-hooks/, maybe ill try replacing the dhclient hooks |
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| 15:37.52 | ocib | arcke: one option would be --no-scripts |
| 15:38.26 | ocib | arcke: the other would be to check what commands are executed and find the one which does what you don't like |
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| 15:38.59 | ocib | arcke: under /etc/network/if-*.d/ |
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| 15:42.33 | arcke | ocib: dns-hook replacement works, i tested the dns-nameservers options in /etc/network/interfaces, but this just writes provider nameservers instead of my custom option |
| 15:43.08 | arcke | maybe I have to run networking after updating the interfaces file |
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| 15:47.55 | spectr | Hi |
| 15:47.56 | spectr | :) |
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| 15:51.49 | jolt | arcke: are you using dhclient? You can prepend your own nameserver in the conf file |
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| 15:55.47 | arcke | jolt: yes, uncommenting prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; in there was enough |
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| 15:59.12 | arcke | jolt: it now lists 3 nameservers in the file, my own and the provider names, i should still completely disable the latter |
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| 16:07.51 | tremon | then use supersede instead of prepend |
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| 16:22.29 | jolt | oh yeah, that's right. Mixed them up |
| 16:22.59 | arcke | yes, supersede is ok there |
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| 16:32.25 | ChogyDan | hey guys. New to Debian, coming from Ubuntu. I'm looking to install Debian's server edition. The computer I'm using is a bit broken so I need 32bits and no graphics enabled, ie server. I want to play with systemd, whatever the latest is available for that, and I'd like to get the later editions of packages. I don't need anything to work well, as long as the system keeps booting. I'm not sure which iso to get to install. TL;DR Which iso should I get for |
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| 16:33.51 | dutchfish | !tell ChogyDan about netinstall |
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| 16:34.24 | ChogyDan | thanks dutchfish! |
| 16:34.31 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 16:35.08 | Aayush | !tell Aayush about netinstall |
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| 16:39.38 | Nectur | Hi |
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| 16:40.41 | ChogyDan | welcome Nectur |
| 16:41.09 | Nectur | ChogyDan: ty |
| 16:41.54 | thewanderer1 | Hi. My server (Wheezy + parts of Jessie, kernel 3.14-2-amd64) is booting into initramfs, saying it can't find the root LV. However, if I call `mdadm --assemble md0` followed by `lvm vgchange -ay` and signal EOF (C-d), it then proceeds to init normally. |
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| 16:42.14 | abrotman | you broke it, you bought it :) |
| 16:42.29 | _unreal_ | buyers remorse |
| 16:42.32 | _unreal_ | lol |
| 16:43.01 | thewanderer1 | now I suppose it would do some good to tell initramfs to do the mdadm step on its own... |
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| 16:45.55 | petn-randall | thewanderer1: You shouldn't mix wheezy with parts of jessie, that's what broke it. Is there a reason you didn't use wheezy-backports for a newer kernel? |
| 16:46.23 | thewanderer1 | petn-randall, it wasn't a matter of kernel at all - I partially migrated because of LXC userspace |
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| 16:47.08 | thewanderer1 | now, if I can fix this mdadm hook problem, I suppose it should be fine - I just need some insight into how the hooks are called and in what order |
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| 16:47.41 | petn-randall | thewanderer1: Then either upgrade fully to jessie, or downgrade again to wheezy. Mixed release are and never will be supported. |
| 16:48.06 | petn-randall | s/are/are not/ |
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| 16:48.36 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 16:48.37 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 16:48.39 | thewanderer1 | petn-randall, I realize that - too many rc bugs were present in various Jessie packages to warrant a full upgrade. Looks like I've encountered one of them... |
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| 16:50.14 | thewanderer1 | I think it was apt-listbugs that made me cancel a dist-upgrade the last time |
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| 16:51.24 | thewanderer1 | looks like a race condition somewhere, since all I need to do is `mdadm --assemble md0` and then it's the steps as usual |
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| 16:55.57 | porton | After dist-upgrade, is it recommended: a. reboot; b. logout? |
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| 16:59.03 | b-tag | porton, a. |
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| 16:59.50 | abrotman | that depends on what the dist-upgrade actually did |
| 17:00.25 | porton | abrotman: I know checkrestart command. Is it enough? |
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| 17:01.24 | abrotman | porton: what kind of dist-upgrade was it? |
| 17:01.33 | porton | abrotman: What are the "kinds"? |
| 17:01.43 | abrotman | porton: did you dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 17:02.03 | porton | abrotman: It is a dist upgrade inside jessie |
| 17:02.21 | abrotman | porton: if you didn't upgrade the kernel, you're probably okay, depends which packages were installed |
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| 17:02.32 | porton | abrotman: but should I logout? |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | "depends which packages were installed" |
| 17:02.57 | porton | abrotman: A typical programmer's PC |
| 17:03.02 | abrotman | ... |
| 17:03.11 | abrotman | if you can't answer the question, reboot to be safe |
| 17:03.20 | abrotman | does dist-upgrades constantly, doesn't logout or reboot |
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| 17:04.12 | porton | is `checkrestart` enough? |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | Don't know, don't use it .. I pay attention to packages being upgraded :) |
| 17:04.55 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 17:05.02 | noc0lour | porton: if you encounter a lot of problems and numerous logs of broken services a reboot is recommended :) |
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| 17:05.35 | porton | OK, I am rebooting |
| 17:05.41 | sexyboy | it usually contains a kernel upgrade so reboots are fine |
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| 17:07.16 | abrotman | no .. it doesn't |
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| 17:08.23 | sexyboy | so you stay on an ancient kernel on a relatively modern system |
| 17:08.28 | sexyboy | modern* |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | Did you read what he actually did? |
| 17:09.33 | abrotman | I suspect not |
| 17:09.38 | sexyboy | well, up[graded his release? |
| 17:09.41 | noc0lour | isn't he just finishing a dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:09.51 | noc0lour | which he aborted before? |
| 17:09.53 | abrotman | sexyboy: from jessie, to jessie .. which does not "usually contain a kernel upgrade" |
| 17:10.11 | sexyboy | whatever, dude |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | not whatever .. |
| 17:10.40 | lord_garth | What is the trouble here? |
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| 17:11.27 | sinonick | jessie has updates so often, rebooting for updates is futile. best to update constantly and simply reboot when convenient |
| 17:11.44 | sexyboy | btw, is the jessie installer ready? |
| 17:11.57 | abrotman | !testing installer |
| 17:11.57 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:12.01 | lord_garth | Hrmm. |
| 17:12.44 | sexyboy | kay |
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| 17:13.09 | abrotman | sexyboy: so it may or may not work, it's not "ready" |
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| 17:14.27 | thewanderer1 | re my earlier mdadm woes - adding a rootdelay=10 has fixed the issue |
| 17:14.38 | thewanderer1 | could this be related to using a HBA? |
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| 17:14.59 | Urk | I have started a channel for #Xournal, for anyone interested in general xournal tech support and development issues, relating to running #xournal on debian. |
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| 17:20.08 | porton | "insserv: warning: script 'sandbox' missing LSB tags and overrides" What this error message means? |
| 17:20.49 | thewanderer1 | porton, someone was sloppy when writing the /etc/init.d/sandbox init script |
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| 17:23.36 | trampel | has anyone written a guide to running debian without systemd? (nothing against systemd! let's just say i'm unworthy of it) |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | trampel: did you check the systemd wiki page? |
| 17:24.34 | trampel | i had not thought to check out a "golf page to learn how to give up golf" ...i'll try that now. thankee! |
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| 17:26.32 | wjtaylor | Why is it saying my security updates come from an untrusted source? |
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| 17:28.33 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Can you show us the full output? |
| 17:28.39 | petn-randall | !tell wjtaylor about bat |
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| 17:30.06 | wjtaylor | It was in update manager, the window where I put my password in says "This software is not from a trusted source" |
| 17:30.15 | wjtaylor | It's not an error message or anything |
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| 17:30.29 | wjtaylor | It's just a little odd that security updates not come from a trusted source. |
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| 17:30.47 | pupil | wjtaylor: maybe you put an untrusted sources.list |
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| 17:31.58 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Which is why we need the data dpkg asked you for to debug it. This is not usual behaviour of a Debian installation. |
| 17:32.14 | Urk | Can someone clarify the file name that should be listed in a backport update command for libre office 4.2.6-1, for single package installation? I have backports in my sources.list, but for some reason it isn't picking up the libreoffice version 1:4.2.6-1~bpo70+1 |
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| 17:32.28 | Urk | http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html |
| 17:34.01 | petn-randall | Urk: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libreoffice |
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| 17:34.16 | Urk | petn> thanks |
| 17:35.13 | Urk | petn> What I don't understand is why this isn't getting picked up with my sources.list? I already have backports in the sources.list, both main, and contrib non-free, and it don't take. |
| 17:35.55 | kernalogs | ordering? top is first? |
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| 17:36.21 | petn-randall | Urk: That's because of apt pinning. Backports get's a lower priority, since it's generally a bad idea to upgrade everything to the state of backports. |
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| 17:36.32 | petn-randall | kernalogs: No, order in the sources.list is essentially irrelevant. |
| 17:36.35 | kernalogs | ftp.debian.org stable is just after security |
| 17:36.50 | jmcnaught | Urk: this is covered in the backports instructions: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ (it has nothing to do with the order they are listed in sources.list) |
| 17:37.41 | petn-randall | kernalogs: Only case it matters if you have two sources that point to the same repository (e.g. "wheezy"), and have the same priority. In that case the first is taken. |
| 17:37.49 | kernalogs | then whats the conflict resolution if not order |
| 17:37.57 | Urk | jmcnaught> I thought that by placing it in the sources.list that I would be getting a backport automatically. So what do I need to do to get that backport update automatically? The computer I am running today is not a server, so I am not worried about staying strictly with Debian stable. |
| 17:38.18 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: ok. how do I get that output for updates? It's not a single package. |
| 17:38.44 | kernalogs | force version in synaptic not sure in apt-get |
| 17:39.29 | GrantK | Hi. I've installed a Jessie instance, and am building up an arm chroot in it. In the chroot, I need pkg 'gpgv2'. In my 1st-stage chroot install, I exec: "debootstrap --verbose --arch=armhf --include=gpgv2 --variant=buildd --foreign (etc ...)". |
| 17:39.30 | GrantK | 'gpgv2' *IS* retrieved, but NOT extracted. Not sure why not :-/ Is there an additional flag/arg needed to make sure the included .debs are extracted/installed in the target? |
| 17:39.30 | jmcnaught | Urk: backports defaults to a lower priority, so you have to specify that you want packages to get installed with the "-t wheezy-backports" argument like it shows in the instructions |
| 17:39.38 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase? |
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| 17:40.47 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Ah, you can leave that part out. |
| 17:40.57 | Urk | jmcnaught> Is there a way to do this for the sources.list? I am currently installing the backport update for LibreOffice, but would like this taken care of with my sources file. |
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| 17:41.16 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: The info you sent says to give you the last apt-get run. THe issue is that when I run update manager from the gui the authentication window tells me they are not trusted. How do I get that info to you? what command? |
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| 17:41.33 | petn-randall | Urk: Once you upgraded to backports, it will track backports, so you don't have to do anything special to get updates from there. |
| 17:41.51 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Run 'apt-get update' as root in a terminal. |
| 17:41.55 | Urk | petn> Ok, thanks. |
| 17:42.12 | petn-randall | Urk: petn<tab>, I don't get highlighted on 'petn'. |
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| 17:42.34 | Urk | petn-randall> ok |
| 17:42.42 | petn-randall | Urk: Much better, thanks :) |
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| 17:43.07 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/119749/ |
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| 17:43.57 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: ok. If I do that it prompts me of it needing space, etc. It doesn' mention untrusted sources. If I say Y am I installing untrusted software? |
| 17:44.40 | kernalogs | no |
| 17:45.02 | kernalogs | disk big enough, try df |
| 17:45.03 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: yes, since the package manager can't verify it's authenticity. |
| 17:45.16 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Can you show me the output of 'apt-get update'? |
| 17:45.49 | f31n | hi there, i need a new graphiccard, whats the best supported graphiccard producer? intel, amd or nvidia? |
| 17:46.50 | petn-randall | f31n: If you don't care about high end performance, Intel is doing a good job on supporting their card with open source drivers. |
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| 17:47.32 | f31n | perfect thanks a lot |
| 17:47.37 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/119751/ |
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| 17:49.28 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: I don't see any error message regarding untrusted source. Maybe you added a new repository, and just forgot to run 'apt-get update'? |
| 17:51.07 | kernalogs | needing space, disk fullish? |
| 17:51.13 | Okee | Well I upgraded libreoffice from backports, and it won't launch at all. Looks like I need to downgrade. |
| 17:51.14 | tharkun | Good Day. Doing this abcde -d /media/cdrom -o flac -k I get -> cd-discid: /media/cdrom: CDROMREADTOCHDR: Inappropriate ioctl for device The funny part is that I can play the Audio CD without a hiccup using vlc. What am I doing wrong. I've ripped some cds before without any trouble using abcde |
| 17:51.14 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: interesting.. you're right. This machine had been powered off for a couple months. The update manager seems to need a manual apt-get update first. |
| 17:51.34 | petn-randall | Okee: What happens if you run 'libreoffice' on the command line? |
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| 17:53.04 | Okee | petn-randall> I get an error message, that won't even post in the paste bin --> /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjvmfwk.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:54.25 | Okee | petn-randall> Ok, I was able to get it to paste, same info --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c323445b/ |
| 17:54.27 | petn-randall | Okee: Looks like something went wrong. Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy libreoffice-core'? |
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| 17:55.46 | jmcnaught | Okee: libjvmfwk.so.3 is in the package "ure" so the output of "apt-cache policy ure" would be helpful too. How did you upgrade libreoffice, what command(s) did you use? |
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| 17:59.22 | Okee | petn-randall> Ok, apt-cache policy is --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/db46a0d0/ and apt-cache policy libreoffice-core is --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/33184d6e/ and apt-cache policy ure is --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ae7a87b4/ The install command I used is apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice |
| 18:00.28 | cybrNaut | inkscape is lying about coordinates |
| 18:00.31 | cybrNaut | what tool can be used to get coordinates to use in the /viewport/ option of the LaTeX \includegraphics command? |
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| 18:02.07 | tharkun | cybrNaut: IIRC Inkscape is not lying. It just has a different reference point. You can do the math yourself or reset the center that Inkscape is using. |
| 18:02.36 | jmcnaught | Okee: did you use "-t squeeze-backports" ? why not "-t wheezy-backports"? |
| 18:02.41 | petn-randall | Okee: Run 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. You ure is not up-to-date. |
| 18:03.06 | petn-randall | Okee: ... Your package 'ure' is not up-to-date. |
| 18:03.23 | tharkun | Okee: hmm What release are you running? wheezy or squeeze? |
| 18:03.51 | Okee | thearkun> I am running strictly wheezy |
| 18:04.14 | kernalogs | stable=wheezy till november |
| 18:04.47 | cybrNaut | tharkun: inkscape certainly places the 0,0 coordinate in the bottom left, where latex expects it to be. But the scaling is different |
| 18:05.07 | cybrNaut | well, "scaling" isn't the right word |
| 18:05.13 | tharkun | Okee: "The install command I used is apt-get -t squeeze-backports..." hmm I guess your fingers forgot that ;P |
| 18:05.20 | cybrNaut | but it counting something different |
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| 18:05.26 | jmcnaught | kernalogs: you're probably mistaken. Jessie gets frozen in November, but won't become Stable until all release critical bugs are fixed |
| 18:05.28 | petn-randall | kernalogs: No, jessie will *NOT* get released in November. |
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| 18:06.03 | tharkun | cybrNaut: IIRC you need the same units of meassurement. Just review that inkscape is using the right set then, |
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| 18:06.52 | kernalogs | actually until may imply a change but not necessarily so |
| 18:06.54 | tharkun | kernalogs: jessi will be release when it is ready. Not a day sooner. Dates in Debian for the last several years are not exact! |
| 18:07.32 | Okee | petn-randall> Looks like there are errors after running the distribution upgrade --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/468f51a8/ |
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| 18:09.05 | kernalogs | god i wish you folks could program ... :D |
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| 18:09.56 | petn-randall | Okee: It's because you got http://security.debian.org pinned to 1001 for some reason ... |
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| 18:10.04 | Okee | I just reran the dist-upgrade with the -f option |
| 18:10.06 | tharkun | Okee: petn-randall will need /etc/apt/sources.list to make some further analysis. I am no expert on apt but I suspect you are upgrading using backports when you should dist-upgrade using only "Stable" repos. Then I am no apt/aptituexpert |
| 18:10.50 | petn-randall | Okee: Oh, and http.debian.net, too? It's generally not a good idea to have anything pinned > 1000, unless you've broken your machine and need to downgrade temporarily. |
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| 18:11.40 | Okee | petn-randal> Earlier I had broken my machine, after a sid repo got installed by accident, so I could take the pin order out. Here is my latest sources.list --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fed6b4dd/ |
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| 18:13.22 | Okee | petn-randall> Why do you think I have something pinned to greater than 1000? I recall putting a pin command in for 100, when i downgraded, but now I can't find my sources.list.d It is only showing up in my man page. |
| 18:13.27 | petn-randall | Okee: Looks okay, the 3rd party repos shouldn't conflict with anything. Take out the pinning and run 'apt-get upgrade', it should upgrade ure and probably other things and then work. |
| 18:13.36 | kernalogs | testing jessie on pi |
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| 18:14.14 | petn-randall | Okee: Pinning is done in /etc/apt/preferences. |
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| 18:14.39 | petn-randall | Okee: I can see those repos are pinned to 1001 from your 'apt-cache policy' output. |
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| 18:18.23 | Okee | petn-randall> OK, after running the -f option, libre office opents, but I get a popup with an error message, indicating the following --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7ae2b203/ |
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| 18:19.45 | petn-randall | Okee: What's the output of 'apt-get install -f' then? Does it run though without warning/error? Else the output of 'dpkg --configure -a' would be good, too. |
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| 18:20.24 | Okee | petn-randall> I found the pin command you were referring. I am going to remove it. |
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| 18:21.00 | Okee | petn-randall> What typically is the default pin order for stable? |
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| 18:21.43 | petn-randall | Okee: The default one is 500 for all repos, 1 for backports. If you comment everything out, it'll use the defaults. |
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| 18:22.28 | petn-randall | Okee: locally installed packages are 100, so that way updates in the default repos get selected as installation candidates when running 'apt-get upgrade'. |
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| 18:28.02 | Okee | petn-randall> Ok, I got everything working again, and ran update after commenting out my modified pin order. |
| 18:28.32 | petn-randall | Okee: So libreoffice is fine now? |
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| 18:28.53 | Okee | petn-randall> Yes it is, and no error message on update. |
| 18:29.06 | petn-randall | Okee: Cool! Glad I could help :) |
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| 18:30.15 | Okee | What are people using for caching improvements. When i first select a folder in the directory tree, after rebooting, it is a bit slow to engage, and improves throughout the day. The computer that I do much of my work on is an old bird, 2007 vintage. I have a few newer ones, including a server, but i am not allowed to do work on that, and that is for web stuff. |
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| 18:30.43 | Okee | petn-randall> Thanks for your help, and I learned how to search for things in more detail with apt-cache policy. |
| 18:30.58 | tharkun | Okee: define "caching improvements" |
| 18:31.04 | thewanderer1 | Okee, what do you mean by caching? O.o |
| 18:31.54 | Okee | thearkun> thewanderer1> It seems like the folders should open faster. And they do open faster after being opened initially, even if the folders are closed. There is a big difference in time discrepancy. |
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| 18:32.35 | petn-randall | Okee: ext4 has some improvements on directory indexing. Do you run it on ext4? If so, did you upgrade it from an ext2/ext3? If yes, you might need to enable those features and run fsck by hand. |
| 18:33.04 | Okee | petn-randall> I am fairly certain that I am running ext4 all along. |
| 18:33.20 | thewanderer1 | Okee, ok, you probably mean the Linux block cache |
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| 18:34.14 | Okee | Also, it looks like my libreoffice problems are not resolved, and I am still getting the error message: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7ae2b203 |
| 18:34.45 | valdyn | Okee: intput/output error is usually a hardware fault |
| 18:34.57 | petn-randall | Okee: Looks like that file isn't readable. Can you verify by running 'cat /home/asd/.config/libreoffice/3/users/basic/dialogue.xlc'? |
| 18:35.26 | kernalogs | it's not that uninstaal error which needs a fix for libre office package to get nex version ... |
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| 18:36.36 | Okee | petn-randall> Looks like the configuration file is missing --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5e227fc4/ |
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| 18:37.50 | tharkun | Okee: ls /home/asd/.config/libreoffice/3 do you have a users or a user directory? |
| 18:38.17 | petn-randall | Okee: Looks weird to me. Close libreoffice, then move /home/asd/.config/libreoffice to somewhere else. libreoffice should create a fresh config and run without errors. |
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| 18:39.27 | Okee | thearkun> Yes, I have a users directory --> http://paste.debian.net/119766/ |
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| 18:40.14 | tharkun | Okee: do as petn-randall instructed. for some reason libreoffice is looking in users and you have a user directory. |
| 18:40.48 | wjtaylor | Why do I receive this when trying to update? subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 18:41.09 | socomm | wjtaylor: 'pre-removal' script broke. |
| 18:41.33 | wjtaylor | how do i fix and why did it break? |
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| 18:41.49 | wjtaylor | Deb 7 sucks |
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| 18:41.53 | tharkun | How can I find out what dvd drive my system is using |
| 18:42.01 | socomm | wjtaylor: Need more information. Do you have logs or full error output? |
| 18:42.22 | socomm | tharkun: using? |
| 18:42.29 | tharkun | installed |
| 18:42.31 | jmcnaught | wjtaylor: what package are you talking about? |
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| 18:42.42 | socomm | tharkun: Can you re-phrase. |
| 18:42.46 | mtn | tharkun: lspci or lsusb |
| 18:42.59 | tharkun | mtn: none of the above worked |
| 18:43.00 | wjtaylor | jmcnaught: just running update manager |
| 18:43.14 | mtn | tharkun: not connected properly? |
| 18:43.42 | tharkun | socomm: How can I investigate what hardware my computer has instsalled in order to read cd/dvd? |
| 18:43.45 | tharkun | better? |
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| 18:43.52 | jmcnaught | wjtaylor: can you try running "apt-get upgrade" instead, and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 18:44.00 | tharkun | mtn: I can play music from cd but I can't rip using abcde |
| 18:44.11 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Cursing at us over Debian won't garner our sympathy. Show us the actual output, and we might be able to help you. |
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| 18:45.03 | Okee | This is very strange, and cp function isn't doing its thing --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c46a95c8/ |
| 18:45.04 | mtn | tharkun: lspci should show every device connected to your motherboard |
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| 18:45.18 | jelly-home | ,v update-manager |
| 18:45.19 | judd | No package named 'update-manager' was found in i386. |
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| 18:45.23 | socomm | tharkun: Sounds like an 'abcde' problem. You can see which devices are attached using what was suggested by mtn 'lspci' or 'lshw'. |
| 18:45.41 | thewanderer1 | Okee, cp -r or cp -a |
| 18:45.42 | centrx | ,v update-manager-gnome |
| 18:45.43 | judd | Package: update-manager-gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 0.200.5-1; wheezy: 0.200.5-2.1 |
| 18:46.12 | jelly-home | that one was horribly buggy |
| 18:46.18 | petn-randall | Okee: Use mv, you don't need sudo for that. |
| 18:46.23 | centrx | Gnome is horribly buggy |
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| 18:46.31 | tharkun | http://paste.debian.net/119768/ |
| 18:46.43 | jelly-home | centrx: wasn't Gnome's fault |
| 18:46.58 | Okee | petn-randall> mv is chancy, and I have some really important documents in the libreoffice archive. I can always delete the decedent later. |
| 18:47.00 | wjtaylor | Is deb 6 LTR? |
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| 18:48.29 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Yes, squeeze has limited long term support. |
| 18:48.37 | petn-randall | !tell wjtaylor about squeeze-lts |
| 18:48.54 | tharkun | socomm: command not found: lshw but lspci -nn does work yet I can't spot the dvd/cdrom hw |
| 18:49.48 | valdyn | Okee: why would you have any documents saved inside .config ? |
| 18:49.57 | mtn | tharkun: how is the dvd attached? usb? internal? |
| 18:50.09 | Okee | valdyn> I ended up using the mv command |
| 18:50.37 | Okee | valdyn> I ended up moving the file to /test |
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| 18:51.18 | tharkun | mtn: internal, it is a dell precision m2400 |
| 18:51.36 | Okee | petn-randall> Ok, now that the config file is moved, the program appears to be opening, and running as normal. Hooray!! |
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| 18:52.39 | meaneye | Why are there php5-memcache and php5-memcached and what's the difference? |
| 18:52.52 | TJ- | tharkun: "udevadm info --query all --name /dev/cdrom" |
| 18:53.01 | Okee | I got problems. LibreOffice downgraded to version 3.5.4.2 instead of upgrading to 4.2.6.1 |
| 18:53.05 | Okee | This is very strange. |
| 18:53.16 | Okee | I am going to try rerunning the backport command again. |
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| 18:53.29 | socomm | meaneye: genereally anything ending in 'd' is a daemon |
| 18:53.44 | socomm | meaneye: if I had to take an educated guess 'memcached' is a daemon of some sort. |
| 18:53.59 | meaneye | socomm, I know what it is, but there are two php5 extensions that provide the same thing. |
| 18:54.28 | socomm | php5-memcache - memcache extension module for PHP5 |
| 18:54.35 | socomm | php5-memcached - memcached extension module for PHP5, uses libmemcached |
| 18:55.00 | petn-randall | Okee: It will only downgrade if you have something pinned at > 1000. Check your /etc/apt/preferences, maybe there's also something in /etc/apt/preferences.d/*. |
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| 18:55.20 | meaneye | socomm, So one with 'd' should be faster? |
| 18:55.30 | Okee | petn-randall> No, I commented out the 1001 pin in preferences.d |
| 18:55.30 | socomm | http://serverfault.com/questions/63383/memcache-vs-memcached |
| 18:55.46 | socomm | meaneye: took me no more than 5 seconds on duckduckgo |
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| 18:56.19 | centrx | memcache just talks about doing the caching |
| 18:56.20 | meaneye | :) I searched for that. Google apparently doesn't like it :D |
| 18:56.22 | meaneye | Thanks either way. |
| 18:56.22 | centrx | memcached already did it |
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| 18:57.18 | tharkun | TJ-: worked, lots of data appeared and the dvd reader seems to be unblocked now. |
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| 18:57.54 | socomm | centrx: They provide same thing per discussion linked. |
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| 18:58.26 | mtn | tharkun: if it plays cds, it is connected correctly. I checked and mine does not show in lspci either :P |
| 18:58.50 | mtn | tharkun: sounds like an application problem, not hardware. |
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| 18:59.23 | socomm | meaneye: btw those are two different modules, which provide same functionality apparently |
| 18:59.27 | socomm | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/book.memcached.php |
| 18:59.32 | socomm | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/book.memcache.php |
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| 18:59.39 | socomm | Two different modules, two different authors. |
| 19:00.18 | tharkun | mtn: It works. The next time it fails I'll dedicate more time to it. I'm now in a rush to do my $HOME to do list or $BOSS (wife) will skin me with boiling oil. :D |
| 19:00.38 | mtn | tharkun: :) |
| 19:00.42 | socomm | Taking short Look at the docs, 'memcached' looks more robust. |
| 19:00.45 | meaneye | socomm, Yeah I got that. Looks like I have some testing to do. Damn it. |
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| 19:01.49 | tharkun | meaneye: If you got ram to spare memcached can do wonders. You might like to look further into the httpd server you are using and if it is your best option for your information serving schema. |
| 19:03.20 | meaneye | tharkun, Am gonna look into it. Thanks. Right now am only going to implement the basic stuff. |
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| 19:06.44 | meaneye | socomm, looks like Memcached it is as it supports key prefixes and other things. |
| 19:06.49 | meaneye | Thanks again everyone. |
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| 19:11.52 | diginet | are there any applications which can monitor the sound output of specific applications |
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| 19:11.55 | diginet | ? |
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| 19:12.32 | diginet | for some reason, my windows guest in virtualbox is not working in sound, and I want to see if my host is even detecting any sound output from the software |
| 19:13.24 | socomm | diginet: sounds like an ALSA/ESD question |
| 19:13.28 | meaneye | And of course CentOS doesn't have it. :/ |
| 19:14.08 | socomm | meaneye: #centos |
| 19:14.17 | meaneye | I know I know. |
| 19:14.22 | meaneye | Just ranting. |
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| 19:14.24 | socomm | meaneye: It might be in the EPEL or REMI repo |
| 19:14.28 | diginet | socomm: well, virtualbox says the host driver is portaudio |
| 19:14.32 | meaneye | Probably is. |
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| 19:15.21 | rawfodog | Can someone help me debug my make error ?? I'm trying to make an application called p2pool, it's throwing some errors that I cannot find answers too. http://paste.debian.net/119776/ |
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| 19:16.03 | socomm | rawfodog: looks like a Python error. |
| 19:16.07 | socomm | rawfodog: /j #python |
| 19:16.20 | rawfodog | ok thanks :) |
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| 19:31.51 | tgunr | Question about using backports, I added the line to the wheezy-backports to the apt sources.list and performed an apt-upupdate then tried to upgrade my git with `aptitude -t wheezy-backports reinstall git` but the same 1.7 version is installed instead of 1.9 |
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| 19:32.06 | tgunr | And I supposed to do something else? |
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| 19:32.35 | Okee | petn-randall> Any idea why libre backports wont install --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/34f34655/ |
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| 19:32.45 | centrx | tgunr, Why "reinstall" ? |
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| 19:33.04 | tgunr | well actually i tried remove and install also |
| 19:33.18 | jhutchins | ,v git |
| 19:33.19 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.0-1; sid: 1:2.1.0-1; experimental: 1:2.1.0+next.20140815-1 |
| 19:34.03 | jhutchins | tgunr: Please pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:34.17 | tgunr | yes, it should install 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; no? |
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| 19:35.24 | tgunr | http://polymicro.clarify-it.com/d/nh7cxx |
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| 19:37.08 | Okee | Anyone know why I am getting an error when trying to upgrade libreoffice? The error is --> E: Unable to parse package file /etc/apt/preferences (1) |
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| 19:37.56 | Okee | Earlier we moved the configuration file to /test, to get rid of a popup when opening the program, and that went away, but now I can't upgrade. I accidentally downgraded to version 3.5.4.2 instead of upgrading to the backport version 4.6 |
| 19:38.45 | centrx | http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg |
| 19:39.50 | centrx | Okee, I don't have a /etc/apt/preferences file, maybe it's not necessary? |
| 19:41.08 | tgunr | I guess i will just install git 1.9 from the sources |
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| 19:42.03 | centrx | tgunr, What is your apt-cache policy ? |
| 19:42.13 | centrx | tgunr, You ran: apt-get update && apt-get install git ? |
| 19:42.26 | tgunr | i don't know and yes |
| 19:42.54 | tgunr | where is the policy? |
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| 19:43.32 | centrx | tgunr, run "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:43.41 | centrx | paste that up too |
| 19:44.53 | tgunr | http://polymicro.clarify-it.com/d/nh7cxx |
| 19:45.22 | Okee | centrx> That did it, and the upgrade is going through. I wonder why that obstructed the upgrade? |
| 19:45.25 | tgunr | i presume the 500 are return codes? |
| 19:45.49 | centrx | tgunr, 500 and 100 are priorities of which source to use |
| 19:45.59 | Okee | Looks like a lot of things are getting upgraded, so I am taking a break and going jogging. |
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| 19:46.04 | tgunr | ah, so backports is lower? |
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| 19:47.16 | centrx | tgunr, You wouldn't want to upgrade your entire system to every backport package, it's not tested/security support etc. |
| 19:47.50 | tgunr | yes, didn't say I wanted to rasie it, i just want to get a newer version of git |
| 19:48.19 | tgunr | if i specify -t wheezy-backports that should have done it, no? |
| 19:48.22 | centrx | tgunr, but from what you have here, apt-get update && apt-get install -t wheezy-backports git should work |
| 19:48.29 | centrx | tgunr, dpkg -l git ? |
| 19:48.37 | tgunr | I agree with "should" |
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| 19:48.51 | centrx | tgunr, maybe it is the 1.7 installation that is not a Debian package or broken or something? |
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| 19:49.52 | tgunr | http://polymicro.clarify-it.com/d/nh7cxx |
| 19:50.26 | tgunr | don't know, have done anything special, just standard installs |
| 19:50.59 | tgunr | have=have not |
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| 19:52.22 | centrx | tgunr, Try using this source instead? deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 19:52.30 | tgunr | k |
| 19:52.32 | centrx | tgunr, Though I would assume ftp.us.debian.org has backports, but maybe not |
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| 19:55.27 | tgunr | centrx: That worked! The FTP is broke? |
| 19:55.27 | Ekchuan | good afternoon, if I am cloning to a directory using git, where should I be? Is it good practice to put programs in the home folder |
| 19:55.52 | centrx | tgunr, It may just not have backports. Not all mirrors have all components or architectures |
| 19:56.07 | centrx | tgunr, http.debian.net is a mirror redirector that will find a fast mirror that has the component/arch requested |
| 19:56.14 | tgunr | hmm, ok, thanks for the help, I was roally lost on this one |
| 19:56.31 | tgunr | will note that for future |
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| 19:56.42 | centrx | Ekchuan, Yes, your home directory is a good place |
| 19:57.03 | centrx | Ekchuan, You could also put it under an intermediary directory, like ~/projects |
| 19:57.03 | tgunr | Ekchuan: I would say it depened on what you intend to do with it |
| 19:57.08 | Ekchuan | ircd |
| 19:57.38 | Ekchuan | is the first time I am installing without apt etc |
| 19:57.55 | Ekchuan | just don't want to end up with it somewhere nonsensical |
| 19:58.00 | centrx | Ekchuan, If you are installing/running something instead of doing development, you can also install it under /usr/local |
| 19:58.02 | tgunr | If I am cloning something for the system as a whole i usually put it in /usr/local/src other wise in my home folder under ~/sources |
| 19:58.19 | tgunr | ^^^ what he said |
| 19:58.33 | Ekchuan | thankyou wise masters. |
| 19:58.51 | tgunr | you can pretty much drop the wise here |
| 19:59.37 | tgunr | centrx: I'm coming from the Mac world and trying to get used to working with debian |
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| 20:29.06 | vladsot | I'm having trouble pinning the priority of packages. I wish to pin all the testing texlive* at a higher priority so that I can install them on stable, while pinning all other testing packages at priority -1 |
| 20:29.43 | vladsot | for some reason the configuration files are not parsed the way I expect, and the priority of texlive* is ignored. |
| 20:29.55 | vladsot | any elp would be much appreciated |
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| 20:51.18 | nkuttler | vladsot: pinning isn't really meant for stable, use backports instead |
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| 20:53.26 | vladsot | I am aware. My question stands though: why do are my pinning preferences for a specific package ignored in favor of the global pinning preferences? |
| 20:55.06 | vladsot | as far as I can tell from reading the manual, listing the pinning preference for, say, texlive-full on release a=testing, and then listing the pinning preference for * on a=testing, should result in the pinning preference for texlive-full on testing to supercede those for * on testing |
| 20:55.13 | vladsot | but that doesn't happen |
| 20:55.21 | vladsot | and reversing the config order also doesn't help |
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| 20:58.34 | vladsot | nkuttler: does my question make sense? |
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| 21:00.44 | nkuttler | vladsot: i haven't used pinning in many years.. |
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| 21:04.04 | vladsot | so, am I supposed to roll my own backport if there isn't one for a software I want? I don't think that is efficient when I'm 99% sure that the software I want will break absolutely nothing in stable. |
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| 21:04.14 | abrotman | nkuttler: why not .. it fails in so many spectacular ways :) |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | vladsot: what backport do you want? |
| 21:04.32 | vladsot | I want texlive 2014 |
| 21:04.43 | vladsot | texlive* 2014 |
| 21:04.46 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport texlive |
| 21:04.47 | judd | Backporting package texlive in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: tex-common (>= 5). |
| 21:04.51 | abrotman | neat |
| 21:04.59 | abrotman | vladsot: you can also run it in a chroot |
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| 21:05.12 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport tex-common |
| 21:05.14 | judd | Backporting package tex-common in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 21:05.19 | nkuttler | just one dep to backport |
| 21:05.33 | vladsot | I want texlive-full actually |
| 21:05.47 | vladsot | when I say texlive*, I mean that I want ALL the texlive 2014 packages |
| 21:05.51 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport texlive-full |
| 21:05.53 | judd | Backporting package texlive-full in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: tex-common (>= 5). |
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| 21:07.01 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport tex-commom |
| 21:07.02 | judd | No package named 'tex-commom' was found in sid/i386. |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 21:08.18 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport tex-common |
| 21:08.19 | judd | Backporting package tex-common in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 21:08.23 | nkuttler | wat |
| 21:08.27 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport tex-common |
| 21:08.28 | judd | Backporting package tex-common in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | oh, right :) |
| 21:08.32 | abrotman | I can't spell :) |
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| 21:08.35 | nkuttler | oh right :) |
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| 21:14.48 | vladsot | I see. it wasn't clear to me from the web-site that texlive was available as a backport |
| 21:15.05 | vladsot | thanks. I will attempt to set up backports. |
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| 21:21.29 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm using debian testing and using lightdm as display manager for X, the power buttons on the bar of lightdm they do not work becuase I have unstailled polkit due to dependencies on systemd (whic is banned from my systems), so now I cannot power off nor reboot nor hibernate my computer, but other display managers can do it (for example the elightenment dm), I would like to know 2 things, first, is there some workaround rig |
| 21:21.30 | Resilience | ht now for this? how can I contact the developers of lightdm in order to change this? |
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| 21:22.08 | abrotman | I'm sure there's a copyright file to contact them |
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| 21:23.08 | Resilience | abrotman, mm /usr/share/doc/? |
| 21:23.18 | abrotman | probably a good start |
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| 21:24.54 | positr0n | hey we got any routing experts here? :) |
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| 21:27.02 | nkuttler | positr0n: if not, try ##networking? |
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| 21:28.34 | Resilience | abrotman, thanks, it was a good site to start to search |
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| 21:29.43 | abrotman | positr0n: be less vague |
| 21:29.55 | abrotman | Resilience: I can't imagine you'll hvae much luck .. have you tried slim or xdm ? |
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| 21:30.06 | abrotman | (or Gentoo) |
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| 21:31.17 | Resilience | abrotman, cdm works right, the problem is that I cannot get a menu to choose the desktop ebvironment |
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| 21:32.43 | abrotman | Resilience: that's controlled by a file in your $HOME |
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| 21:33.44 | Resilience | abrotman, yes, I know I can control with a file, to set the defaultl environment , and to choose which one to start when login just by pressing F-keys, and to infomr to the user with xmessage but... |
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| 21:33.52 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 21:35.23 | Resilience | abrotman, thans foro th einformation about xdm... I'm looking about slim.... I think I can remeber that it cannot run chooser sessions on xdmcp.... maybe.... |
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| 22:15.48 | _4dnan_ | Hello. I would like to know if there's a place where the system logs reasons of crash ? My Pidgin is crashing every other day. Debian Unstable. Thanks. |
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| 22:17.24 | tsam_ | It could be various things. first check pidgin logs (might be somewhere in your home) or system logs (/var/log/messages & such). You might also check dmesg. |
| 22:18.04 | _4dnan_ | Alright, thank you. |
| 22:18.20 | centrx | _4dnan_, If it is just a user application not a background daemon, search online for the error message |
| 22:18.39 | centrx | _4dnan_, that you get running it from the terminal |
| 22:18.55 | _4dnan_ | Yes but it doesn't happen so often for me to remember running it in the terminal. |
| 22:19.00 | _4dnan_ | But I'll try to if I don't find it in the logs. |
| 22:19.08 | somiaj | depending on your wm/de, $HOME/.xsession-errors is sometimes the stderr of applications ran from x, so youc an look there too |
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| 22:20.55 | tsam_ | _4dnan_: try noup pidgin > $HOME/pidgin_logs 2>$HOME/pidgin_err and wait for it to crash (you may replace noup with a tmux or screen session) |
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| 22:22.52 | _4dnan_ | Okay I'll try that |
| 22:22.53 | _4dnan_ | Thanks |
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| 22:25.47 | centrx | *nohup |
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| 22:50.28 | Lildirt | I'm installing Debian alongside Windows, is there any special process to make this work? |
| 22:51.11 | Lildirt | I've shrunk down the Windows partition size and have about 500GB of free space. I've dedicated 4GB to swap and the rest to an ext4 fs. |
| 22:51.12 | abrotman | install windows first |
| 22:51.17 | Lildirt | Well, Windows is alread installed. |
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| 22:52.41 | maurer | Hey, I'm trying to package something that has two distict directories where make, make install needs to be run. Is there an easy way to explain this with rules? |
| 22:52.55 | Lildirt | I've manually set up the swap partition and the ext4 fs, but I didn't know if there's anything else I need to do to ensure Windows doesn't die. |
| 22:53.15 | Busserl | Lildirt: as long as you don't delete its partition, it won't die |
| 22:53.20 | pfsense_rookie | Lildirt, if this is a laptop and you have UEFI do some reading first as there might be a catastrophe. |
| 22:53.20 | Lildirt | Mmk. |
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| 22:53.39 | Busserl | Lildirt: or multiple partitions possibly, like in windows 8 for example |
| 22:53.41 | Lildirt | My system isn't a laptop. |
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| 22:53.51 | pfsense_rookie | Lildirt, my particular hardware would not boot if I did not deactivate an option in the BIOS and installed Linux. |
| 22:53.57 | Lildirt | From what I've read, Grub should automatically detect Windows. |
| 22:54.07 | Lildirt | pfsense_rookie: Oh? |
| 22:54.12 | Busserl | Lildirt: you can restore both linux and windows to a bootable state in case you mess up the boot loaders. |
| 22:54.19 | pfsense_rookie | Lildirt, Samsung... |
| 22:54.20 | Lildirt | I'm using Windows 7 however, not Windows 8. |
| 22:54.30 | _2_love_angle | okay |
| 22:54.35 | Busserl | Lildirt: Yes, the installer should have no problems installing grub for a dual boot. |
| 22:54.41 | _2_love_angle | Okay |
| 22:54.52 | Lildirt | I'm using a GIGABYTE Z87-D3HP motherboard. There's an option with the OS in the BIOS settings, but it's "windows 8", "windows 8 WHQL", and "other". |
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| 22:54.55 | Lildirt | It's on other. |
| 22:55.01 | _2_love_angle | Okay |
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| 22:55.19 | _2_love_angle | :(this is awkward |
| 22:55.20 | Busserl | Lildirt: That is UEFI possibly, should be disabled. |
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| 22:55.28 | _2_love_angle | Okay |
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| 22:55.57 | Lildirt | The mobo claims to have a UEFI-BIOS, but nonetheless. |
| 22:56.02 | _2_love_angle | Okay |
| 22:56.15 | pfsense_rookie | Lildirt, seems to be fine. |
| 22:56.20 | _2_love_angle | Um okay |
| 22:56.37 | pfsense_rookie | _2_love_angle, you que? |
| 22:56.44 | _2_love_angle | What |
| 22:57.01 | Busserl | Lildirt: I am not sure though, the installer installs to EFI fine, it just won't like an encrypted version of it, roughly speaking. Anyway, you'd need to reinstall windows if you wanted to change that, I believe. |
| 22:57.01 | Lildirt | But, I should be okay, yes? |
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| 22:57.16 | _2_love_angle | Um okay |
| 22:57.26 | pfsense_rookie | _2_love_angle, what are you on about? |
| 22:57.37 | _2_love_angle | this is awkward |
| 22:57.37 | bazhang | its a bot |
| 22:57.41 | _2_love_angle | What |
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| 22:58.00 | bazhang | !ops | _2_love_angle |
| 22:58.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | _2_love_angle |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | do we need help ? |
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| 22:58.12 | bazhang | whoops sorry |
| 22:58.32 | Lildirt | I'm not interested in encrypting anything. |
| 22:58.33 | abrotman | bazhang: no worries, I just happened to peek in and read a bit of backscroll :) |
| 22:58.45 | bazhang | ok |
| 22:58.51 | bazhang | :) |
| 22:58.56 | Busserl | Lildirt: That's part of a trusted boot chain or something. |
| 22:59.10 | Lildirt | Welp, we'll see if my computer nukes itself. |
| 22:59.19 | Busserl | Lildirt: It won't |
| 22:59.51 | Busserl | Lildirt: Not permanetly anyway. :D |
| 22:59.53 | Lildirt | I'm guessing this is obvious, but the ext4 partition needs to be marked as bootable, yes? |
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| 23:00.27 | Lildirt | Ot |
| 23:00.31 | Busserl | Lildirt: I don't think so actually. That's only needed if you install grub to a partition instead of the default main boot record of the hdd |
| 23:00.34 | Lildirt | It's clear I haven't done this before - sorry xD |
| 23:00.57 | Busserl | Lildirt: I mean the mbr is the default install method. |
| 23:01.31 | Lildirt | Welp |
| 23:01.40 | Lildirt | Swap and / partition are configured. Here goes nothing. |
| 23:01.45 | Busserl | Lildirt: You could just install debian in a virtual machine, to test the installer. |
| 23:01.55 | Lildirt | I could have been smart and done that. |
| 23:02.03 | pfsense_rookie | Lildirt, not really. Bootable partition is something for older Bioses. |
| 23:02.07 | Busserl | Lildirt: you can still do it |
| 23:02.10 | Resilience | which is the difference between service <srvcname> restart and /etc/init.d/<srvcname> restart? |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | Resilience: usually not much |
| 23:03.00 | Resilience | abrotman, I think it can seem surprising but I discovered service just a weeks ago, and I don't know waht it is nor where to search for information |
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| 23:03.14 | somiaj | Resilience: man service |
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| 23:03.38 | somiaj | Resilience: debian also provides it's own tool, invoke-rc.d |
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| 23:04.39 | Resilience | somiaj, yes, I have read that about service, but service is a standr linux/system V init command? |
| 23:04.58 | Busserl | Resilience: I haven't found a comprehensive 5 minute tutorial about a linux distro, surely not when I first tried Debian. Like "did you know there are things like services on Debian?" etc. |
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| 23:05.45 | pfsense_rookie | Busserl, bah there is so much to cover that it always end up being a manual. |
| 23:06.30 | Resilience | Busserl, yes... and? I have been startinf, stopping an restarting services with /etc/init.d method, tthis one is new for me, and I don't know where it origins nor what is it, |
| 23:07.06 | Busserl | pfsense_rookie: Hm well some introduction to the main functions of the OS would be nice, I've been wondering if there is one out there. |
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| 23:07.29 | Busserl | Resilience: I was just saying that I felt the same when I heard about it. |
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| 23:07.56 | Resilience | Busserl, ah, I'm sorry, I understood you wer recominating me with being lazy or something like that |
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| 23:08.07 | drumr | i have a fresh install of 7.6. i get an error when trying to install from .deb file. it says backend does not support installing files |
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| 23:08.36 | nkuttler | !reference |
| 23:08.37 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: «aptitude install debian-reference» |
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| 23:09.35 | nkuttler | !tell drumr about errors |
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| 23:10.48 | Busserl | nkuttler: Sorry, I forgot to mention that when I tried Debian for the first time, I felt that introductionary documentation was hard to find, and I wondered why there was no link to one right next to the download link. Then again, I don't mind getting help in an IRC chat either. :) |
| 23:11.55 | drumr | when i right click on a .deb file and select apper install |
| 23:12.01 | nkuttler | Busserl: well, the reference is mentioned in the install guide |
| 23:12.32 | nkuttler | drumr: i see, no idea then, i've never clicked on a .deb |
| 23:12.37 | Busserl | nkuttler: OK, I don't say was perfectly thorough back then. :) |
| 23:12.41 | drumr | a dialog box appears and says the current backend does not support installing files |
| 23:12.57 | nkuttler | drumr: have you tried to google your error? |
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| 23:15.25 | drumr | i did |
| 23:15.26 | Resilience | somiaj, man service tells me about how to use service, but not about what it is |
| 23:15.42 | drumr | i got a couple hits but it was about specific software that didnt apply |
| 23:15.56 | drumr | maybe i need to be root |
| 23:16.04 | drumr | im new to debian |
| 23:16.14 | nkuttler | drumr: i would just open a terminal, you can dpkg -i packages |
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| 23:16.19 | nkuttler | drumr: what are you installing anyway? |
| 23:16.23 | drumr | firefox |
| 23:16.26 | drumr | ans then steam |
| 23:17.54 | somiaj | Resilience: what do you mean what it is, service is a command that can be run and it does things, the man page tells you what it does. |
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| 23:18.22 | drumr | ok, i think i found the issue. when using dpkg i need -i instead of install. now i need to figure out how to grab dependencies |
| 23:18.49 | sinonick | drumr try with -i, then do apt-get -f install |
| 23:19.07 | sinonick | this is a guess but i think it will do what you want :P |
| 23:19.08 | somiaj | drumr: dpkg won't grab dependencies, it mearly installs/removes packages. you need apt to grab dependencies. Also be careful, you can't install any .deb with that but only debs made for your version of debian. |
| 23:19.30 | Lildirt | lol "Could not read from the bootable medium" |
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| 23:19.49 | somiaj | drumr: where did you get this .deb you want to install and what version of debian (or debian based distro) was it built for? |
| 23:19.57 | Resilience | somiaj, for example, invoke-rc.d is a debianishm to execute init.d system V scripts under a policy of polkit, so they ae not exactly the same... and man service does not tellme anything about it.. is it a debianism? is it linux general? it has soemthing to see with polkit's and systemd garbage or what? service a too generla word to render useful results in a google search |
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| 23:20.48 | somiaj | Resilience: no service is part of sysvinit and was mearly a tool to run the scripts. |
| 23:20.52 | drumr | i got the firefox one from pkgs.org |
| 23:21.00 | drumr | and steam i got directly from steam website |
| 23:21.09 | drumr | i think firefox was created for wheezy |
| 23:21.27 | somiaj | drumr: and what was that .deb built for, ubuntu? It may not work on debian. What is wrong with iceweasel, you know it is the same as firefox right? |
| 23:21.32 | sinonick | drumr, you're doing it wrong |
| 23:21.34 | slurpymcdurpy | uhh, I think apt-get install iceweasel might be . . . |
| 23:21.43 | slurpymcdurpy | moar effective w.r.t. getting a browser. |
| 23:21.47 | Resilience | somiaj, ah ok, that's what I was asking, so it is a standard part of init system, right? |
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| 23:22.00 | somiaj | use mozilla.debian.net if you want a current release, but wheezy security provides the most recent lts release of firefox which is fairly recent. |
| 23:22.22 | drumr | ok thanks |
| 23:22.29 | somiaj | Resilience: correct, you will most likely find service on any machine with sysvinit, though with systemd becoming more common this may not be the case |
| 23:22.31 | drumr | im used to fedora and mandrake before that |
| 23:23.02 | somiaj | Resilience: one nice thing on debian jessie is the init.d scripts are going compadable with systemd (provided you install the compadability package) so you can start/stop services with them still even if it is systemd. |
| 23:23.15 | somiaj | Resilience: systemd uses systemctrl |
| 23:23.26 | T60 | The scroll bar on my current theme in Pulse Audio is completely white and it is hard for me to control the volume. Where in the theme dotfiles do I go to change that? |
| 23:23.31 | drumr | i wasnt too interested in iceweasel but firefox itself |
| 23:23.44 | drumr | wel i think i need to get more familiar with .deb |
| 23:23.47 | drumr | and apt |
| 23:23.51 | somiaj | drumr: why, you realize the only difference is the logo, the actual program is the same. |
| 23:23.59 | Resilience | somiaj, I think I have removed my systemd, and the dbus, and gnome and pollit or wahtever it is called, it is a plainly wornd design, so I don't use it |
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| 23:24.11 | drumr | i have not opened iceweasel yet but i heard it was a little behind |
| 23:24.26 | somiaj | drumr: it is best to stick with apt and using debian sources. Using .deb files directly can be dangerous to a system, as I said they can break it if it is not made for your version of debian. |
| 23:24.35 | sinonick | drumr, if you want recent version do as advised |
| 23:24.43 | sinonick | go to mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:25.05 | sinonick | there's instructions there to get release version of "firefox" |
| 23:25.09 | somiaj | drumr: you may want to read up on what debian means by stable (part is a frozen system). Turns out webbrowsers are not as frozen as the rest though. debian secrity provides the most recent lts release of firefox. If you want newer use mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:25.59 | slurpymcdurpy | also, you might try gdebi as far as double-clicking .deb files. |
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| 23:27.00 | drumr | thanks. i appreciate the help as i learn to use this distro |
| 23:27.12 | slurpymcdurpy | drumr: Steam used to require some adjustment, like an extra set of glibc libraries. |
| 23:27.24 | slurpymcdurpy | I don't know if it still does for Debian Stable. |
| 23:27.27 | sinonick | yep there is an unsupported installer for wheezy |
| 23:27.32 | sinonick | it worked while i was in wheezy |
| 23:27.48 | slurpymcdurpy | But if you're using stable (not jessie or testing) -- there are lots of forum posts and many scripts for setting that up. |
| 23:28.05 | somiaj | afiak that unsupported installer is probabaly not best run on wheezy. Chaning your libc6 is usually not a good idea. |
| 23:28.34 | slurpymcdurpy | Yeah i tried it once and broke the entire thing. |
| 23:28.39 | somiaj | last I checked steam had a hard dependency on a newer version of glibc not in debian wheezy, and trying to change that is probabaly not advised. |
| 23:28.46 | sinonick | it downloaded libc on a seperate folder and used that to start steam |
| 23:28.58 | slurpymcdurpy | by pinning glibc from jessie and blah blah blah -- not worth doing -- the separate glibc in the steam folder worked best imho. |
| 23:29.00 | sinonick | during launch |
| 23:29.08 | somiaj | !frakendebian |
| 23:29.21 | sinonick | drumr, just get jessie and be done with it :P |
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| 23:29.56 | slurpymcdurpy | Heh |
| 23:29.58 | somiaj | well jessie has it's own issues, for someone new to debian your advise is fairly poor sinonick |
| 23:30.02 | slurpymcdurpy | that might work best :) |
| 23:30.10 | slurpymcdurpy | but that might also be a license to re-install. |
| 23:30.12 | sinonick | you'll be getting updates daily but is definitely more stable than say, fedora "stable" |
| 23:30.24 | T60 | What part in the system's theme dotfiles control the color of the scroll bar? My scroll bar is fine in iceweasel, but for pulse audio mixer (volume control scroll bar) I cannot see anything. |
| 23:31.09 | somiaj | T60: not the easiest of questions, some apps may do their own things, some may use gtk others qt. I woudln't know what one to look infor your case. |
| 23:31.20 | somiaj | T60: it might be some issue where gtk2 theme is set right but gtk3 is not. |
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| 23:31.55 | somiaj | T60: what pulse audio mixer are you using? pavucontrol? |
| 23:32.22 | T60 | somiaj: I am just using the default one that came with the installation. |
| 23:32.38 | T60 | somiaj: I believe it's just called "Mixer" |
| 23:32.40 | somiaj | T60: I don't know that much about pulse, but pavucontrol may be worth looking into. |
| 23:32.50 | somiaj | T60: you may have to install it (that is also the package name) |
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| 23:33.28 | T60 | somiaj: But I would like to know why this happens, becuase sometimes it isn't just the scroll bar, for certain setting pages all of the text is just white and I cannot read it. |
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| 23:34.28 | somiaj | T60: do you use gnome, xfce, lxde or kde? As I said sometimes it depends on the application. |
| 23:34.36 | T60 | somiaj: XFCE |
| 23:35.01 | somiaj | T60: and what version of debian? Most likely you are using the gtk2 or gtk3 widget set. |
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| 23:37.06 | drumr | yeah stable comes with libc6 2.13 |
| 23:37.13 | drumr | 2.15 came out in 2012 |
| 23:37.19 | drumr | min required for steam |
| 23:37.23 | drumr | 2.19 is current |
| 23:37.24 | T60 | somiaj: Wheezy 7 |
| 23:37.51 | T60 | somiaj: Wheezy 7.6* |
| 23:38.08 | drumr | my biggest issue i guess would be making sure there is downloading of dependencies when instaling from a .deb using dpkg |
| 23:38.10 | somiaj | drumr: as I said you shoulud look up what debian stable means. It is nice to have a frozen system that things don't update every few months for bugs/compadability/ability to host webservers for a long time. |
| 23:38.29 | drumr | yeah for a desktop i need something newerr like testing |
| 23:38.55 | somiaj | drumr: no your biggest issue is making sure you understand how a .deb file works and how it is really important it is made for the version of debian you are running. 'apt-get -f install' will usually download them for you afterwards provided the .deb is compadable |
| 23:39.13 | drumr | k |
| 23:39.28 | somiaj | drumr: or look into wheezy-backports. But jessie will be frozen Nov 5th and maybe the release will be the middle of next year. They are being fairly agressive about rc bugs this cycle. |
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| 23:39.41 | drumr | ok good to know |
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| 23:40.46 | somiaj | drumr: but if steam is important for you, upgrading to jessie may be a decent suggestion. |
| 23:41.00 | slurpymcdurpy | either that or using a wheezy steam-install script |
| 23:41.02 | somiaj | but if you can hold off until the freeze, you'll experience a much nicer experience. |
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| 23:41.23 | drumr | k |
| 23:41.28 | drumr | thanks for the help i do appreciate it |
| 23:41.34 | drumr | i wil look into it |
| 23:42.00 | somiaj | drumr: yea after the freeze, updates are stoped and the focus is on bug fixes so you won't experience many new bugs with upgrades. |
| 23:42.21 | drumr | now will 7.6 upgrade in time to stable or will it always be testing |
| 23:42.25 | drumr | even afer freeze |
| 23:42.38 | drumr | sorry i may have stated that wrong |
| 23:42.39 | slurpymcdurpy | 7.6 is stable |
| 23:42.44 | T60 | somiaj: Do you use xfce? |
| 23:42.54 | drumr | will 7.6 upgrade or since its stable does it just stay there in the freeze |
| 23:42.57 | somiaj | drumr: what do you mean, wheezy will always be wheezy which was frozen many years ago and has gotten to the point release 7.6 (that means wheezy + security/bug fixes) |
| 23:43.21 | somiaj | drumr: you should have 'wheezy' in your sources.list, once jessie becomes stable you won't upgrade automatically (this is good, you don't want surprises) |
| 23:43.22 | drumr | ok |
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| 23:43.49 | somiaj | drumr: but after the release you can read the release notes and there will be notes on how to upgrade to jessie at that time (you can of course upgrade now, but you'll upgrade to a testing system and not a stable system) |
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| 23:44.01 | gasbag | archlinux |
| 23:44.03 | somiaj | drumr: also at the relase wheezy becomes 'oldstable' (note oldstable, stable, testing, unstable are links) |
| 23:44.19 | drumr | somewhat similar to freebsd |
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| 23:44.29 | somiaj | T60: no I use fvwm (I prefer wm's over desktops and then configuring the software I want to use) |
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| 23:45.46 | somiaj | drumr: there will probabaly be another point release of wheezy to say 7.7, but these security fixes, bug fixes can be installed via security.debian.org and wheezy-updates |
| 23:46.05 | drumr | ok |
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| 23:46.11 | drumr | i did find the wiki page for steam |
| 23:46.17 | drumr | i think ill just install jessie |
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| 23:46.40 | somiaj | upgrade to jessie, also avoid the testing installer if your goal is to install jessie. (: |
| 23:46.41 | drumr | ok thats good to know about the security and bug fixes though |
| 23:46.48 | drumr | heh |
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| 23:47.22 | drumr | thanks for the help |
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| 23:47.36 | maurer | Does anyone know if there are any versioning systems other than simple dotted numbers that are compatible with debian packagin? |
| 23:47.39 | maurer | debuild _insists_ that in 0.1rc0, 0.1-rc0, and 0.1_rc0, rc0 must clearly be a debian version and not an upstream version |
| 23:47.39 | slurpymcdurpy | yah just upgrade from wheezy |
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| 23:49.53 | somiaj | maurer: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#namever -- have you read though that? |
| 23:51.41 | somiaj | maurer: but 0.1rc0 seems to me it should be a valid upstream version |
| 23:51.44 | maurer | No, I've only read like, half the manual. There's a _lot_ of text there. |
| 23:52.08 | somiaj | the ones the the - won't work, is that is what debian looks for to determine the debian revision |
| 23:52.16 | maurer | but it seems that 0.1+rc0 or 0.1~rc0 will work |
| 23:52.39 | maurer | Man, debian packaging is so much harder than gentoo packaging |
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| 23:54.11 | somiaj | I would be a little careful with + and ~ (as they do have meanings in the version compare system) |
| 23:54.37 | somiaj | ~ is always smaller, + is always bigger so 1.0~foo < 1.0 < 1.0+foo |
| 23:55.02 | maurer | somiaj: Yeah, so ~rc0 appears correct for my use case |
| 23:55.10 | maurer | since it's a release candidate |
| 23:55.48 | somiaj | maurer: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 23:56.50 | somiaj | maurer: read the info about how it decides what the debian revision and epoch are. That is the problem with using the - is if not used right it gets detected as a debian revsion (which is optional) |
| 23:57.30 | maurer | So, I'm currently trying to us ethe name bap-types-0.1~rc0-1 |
| 23:57.31 | T60 | somiaj: Should I give up? |
| 23:57.41 | maurer | but it goes and looks for bap-types_0.1.orig.tar.xz |
| 23:57.52 | maurer | instead of looking for bap-types_0.1~rc0.orig.tar.xz |
| 23:58.00 | maurer | Reading those docs makes me think it should look for the second one |
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| 23:59.17 | somiaj | T60: I don't know what is controling it, seems strange to me but sounds like an issue with your gtk2 or gtk3 theme. |
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| 23:59.58 | somiaj | maurer: you may get far better info and experience than I have in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
