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| 00:04.56 | Achylles | somiaj, thx. It worked. I just purged wdm and started X as a normal user then I issued sudo su gave my password and run gvim, geany or whatever. It worked fine. But, I would like to install a dm. I had wdm because it is was very light, my Pc has only 712mb of RAM and I am running Xfce4 just because of that. Gdm, Kdm is too heavy for this machine |
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| 00:22.10 | NetEcho | is there a clean way to remove all Desktop Environments / Window Managers and install xfce cleanly? |
| 00:24.01 | socomm | NetEcho: DE usually have meta packages. How did you install your DE? |
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| 00:25.24 | NetEcho | socomm I did apt-get install xfce4 | apt-get install xfce4-goodies | apt-get install `apt-cache search xfce | cut -d ' ' -f1` .. but I also want to remove Gnome so I can install xfce cleanly sans the third command |
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| 00:26.29 | NetEcho | I think that third command buggered things up |
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| 00:27.47 | socomm | NetEcho: I'd think so too ..... |
| 00:28.31 | socomm | NetEcho: try, apt-get remove with the same command - which in esense will remove everything you just installed. |
| 00:28.37 | NetEcho | I was thinking that |
| 00:28.46 | socomm | Same targets, not command. |
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| 00:29.24 | socomm | NetEcho: remove and then reinstall, just don't specify the 3rd target this time. |
| 00:29.26 | NetEcho | socomm I noticed it did some linux-headers though will that be a problem? |
| 00:30.02 | socomm | NetEcho: Unless you're planning compiling against those headers it should be ok. |
| 00:30.02 | NetEcho | and what do you mean by 3rd target? sorry these commands are from the debian wiki |
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| 00:30.24 | socomm | NetEcho: worse case re-install them when you're done, just write down what you're uninstalling. |
| 00:30.36 | NetEcho | socomm: I.e. apt-get purge `apt-cache search xfce | cut -d ' ' -f1` ? |
| 00:30.46 | socomm | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.01 | socomm | NetEcho: Yes you could also try that. |
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| 00:31.40 | socomm | NetEcho: I'm sure there's a reason why its included in the wiki, but to met it'd seem like it would install alot of useless stuff. |
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| 00:31.50 | socomm | s/met/me/ |
| 00:32.10 | NetEcho | yea so I'll just do goodies and the base |
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| 00:32.32 | socomm | NetEcho: Should be good enough to get you started, if you wanna come back and install the rest you can revisit that. |
| 00:32.54 | NetEcho | it'd probably be smarter to install selectively heh |
| 00:33.06 | socomm | NetEcho: I think so too. |
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| 00:42.32 | mybit | hi all |
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| 00:42.55 | _--Dotatdo27icms | hrllo |
| 00:43.11 | _--Dotatdo27icms | windows is better than linux |
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| 00:44.55 | spacebison | _--Dotatdo27icms: Heretic! |
| 00:45.31 | _--Dotatdo27icms | of course |
| 00:45.35 | socomm | Baby trolls. |
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| 00:47.44 | _--Dotatdo27icms | windows have photoshop, autocad...linux doesn't have |
| 00:48.03 | _--Dotatdo27icms | windows is better! yeah |
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| 01:02.47 | mybit | lol windows is better than linux lmao |
| 01:02.57 | mybit | virtualbox HOW DOES IT WORK?? |
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| 01:09.03 | petn-randall | mybit: Go play somewhere else please. |
| 01:09.05 | dmi3on | mybit: you should ask in ##programming |
| 01:09.30 | anyMoreHC | .. |
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| 01:12.17 | doebi | why the fuck cant the stupid debian installer not find the missing wifi driver on the usb i put it on??? |
| 01:12.41 | dmi3on | here is question: what is most profitable organization that uses debian as there main OS? |
| 01:12.44 | anyMoreHC | .... |
| 01:12.53 | doebi | just returns back to the missing message. but the file is present on the usb |
| 01:13.48 | doebi | so how am i supposed to install an up to date debian? |
| 01:13.52 | anyMoreHC | why not try to install it handle |
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| 01:15.04 | doebi | if you would form a proper english sentence i might be able to understand it |
| 01:15.27 | anyMoreHC | ....sorry |
| 01:15.56 | anyMoreHC | I am a chinese...my english is not so strong |
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| 01:16.09 | anyMoreHC | so i learn it day and night |
| 01:16.29 | NetEcho | what is the xdebian-edu-firstboot package? |
| 01:16.52 | doebi | no problem, didnt want to offend you, i am just a little pissed that i cant install debian of fucking missing drivers |
| 01:17.11 | anyMoreHC | NetEcho:you try it and you konow it |
| 01:17.22 | NetEcho | anyMoreHC I see it installed |
| 01:17.51 | themill | doebi: the installer sometimes struggles to find the firmware on usb sticks with partitions or funny filesystems. Using the firmware iso is much more reliable. /msg dpkg firmware installer |
| 01:17.55 | NetEcho | the wiki guide for switching to xfce kinda fubard my X environment |
| 01:19.30 | doebi | themill: well, no network no install, right? |
| 01:19.45 | doebi | so either i get a hen or an egg... |
| 01:19.49 | themill | eh? |
| 01:21.37 | anyMoreHC | doebi:i like your words |
| 01:21.38 | doebi | http://autoimmunbuch.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/P1050002_Henne_Ei_650.jpg |
| 01:22.50 | themill | doebi: you should follow your own advice... I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 01:26.01 | doebi | themill: i am saying, in order to be able to install packages through the installer i need a working internet connection. But i dont have any since the installer-cd doesnt come with nonfree-firmware packages. |
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| 01:26.46 | anyMoreHC | ah au... |
| 01:26.53 | themill | doebi: so starting with the installer that *does* have the firmware on it is the easiest approach as I just said. |
| 01:27.35 | themill | doebi: Alternatively, you can complete the installation with the netinst without a working network connection -- once it is finished, you can dpkg -i the firmware package you already have on the usb stick and then install more packages as you wish |
| 01:28.32 | doebi | why do they even ship incomplete installers in first place. just to overcomplicate things? |
| 01:29.13 | doebi | i got one fancy debian-dvd on the congress and cant even use it. always have to fumble around with usb sticks and create my own medium |
| 01:29.15 | themill | That installer works on virtually all machines that have wired network connections and that's what most people use. |
| 01:29.32 | doebi | nah i also doesnt have my eth drivers |
| 01:29.48 | themill | So you're one of the virtually none. Lucky you. |
| 01:29.58 | themill | The firmware is non-free -- it has no place in the Debian main archive. |
| 01:30.18 | mybit | petn-randall / dmi3on : I was just replying to _--Dotatdo27icms |
| 01:31.31 | doebi | themill: but back to my actual problem. the ucode file is on the usb. why cant it just take this one? |
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| 01:33.56 | anyMoreHC | lol |
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| 01:36.01 | anyMoreHC | doebi:i think it maybe the installer does not konw the file path |
| 01:36.24 | anyMoreHC | it maybe gone to the default way |
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| 01:37.44 | somiaj | Achylles: there are other options, slim and I think xfce uses lightdm by default. |
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| 01:38.30 | somiaj | Achylles: yea seems wdm is doing something odd, may be worth reporting a bug to bugs.debian.org, but the release of wdm you have is from 2004. It seem that wdm has been removed from the debian repos and then put back in, but yet it is still old and seems to cause problems at least for you. |
| 01:39.24 | somiaj | NetEcho: xfce4 and gnome can live side by side and not effect xfce being installed cleanly. Depending on the apps you use, if you use gtk apps you may have some gnome depends and need some core gnome libs anyways. |
| 01:39.38 | NetEcho | somehow the gnome-shell launcher panel has followed me into xfce and I cannot close it or do anything with it |
| 01:40.15 | NetEcho | if I right click it to try and pull settings up it flashes black then resets |
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| 01:41.18 | somiaj | NetEcho: that is strange, check your .xsesson file, does that mention gnomeshell anyways, or maybe xfce session management is messing with you. Try to kill the shell, and then tell xfce4 to save the session or you could remove the gnome-shell pcakges. 'dpkg -l | grep gnome-shell' |
| 01:43.30 | NetEcho | somiaj apparently gdm3 relys on it |
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| 01:45.58 | NetEcho | I'll try switching to kdm |
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| 01:49.58 | somiaj | NetEcho: I belive xfce4 likes lightdm, slim is another option for a minimial dp |
| 01:49.59 | somiaj | dm |
| 01:50.18 | NetEcho | somiaj lightdm refuses to work at all heh |
| 01:52.01 | Malf | Running testing. Accidentally rebooted in the middle of an aptitude update and seems like I managed to end up with a corrupt locales archive. Anyone know which package I can reinstall to rebuild my locale data? |
| 01:52.58 | Malf | When I run $ localectl list-locales |
| 01:52.59 | Malf | I get Invalid archive file. |
| 01:54.09 | somiaj | Malf: what part did you reboot at, was it the downloading part or the actual package installing part. |
| 01:54.29 | somiaj | oh wait, you just failed during an update, not an upgrade |
| 01:54.34 | somiaj | just rerun aptitude update |
| 01:54.45 | Malf | it was an upgrade sorry |
| 01:54.46 | Malf | typo |
| 01:55.02 | somiaj | what part of the upgrade, if it was any part except the download you may have to reinstall |
| 01:55.06 | Malf | My screen went black so I actually don't know where exactly it was when it failed although I could probably search the logs to figure out exactly where it was |
| 01:55.22 | Malf | Pretty sure it was installing something |
| 01:55.24 | Malf | just not sure what |
| 01:55.39 | somiaj | I don't think it would be possible to determine where in the middle of everythig it broke, not only would you have a broken dpkg status file, you may have issues where some pre/post install scripts did not run causing other things to break. |
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| 01:56.23 | somiaj | yea you could try to look at the apt log vs the dpkg log, but my limited experience with this is at this point it may not be possible to rebuild |
| 01:56.30 | Malf | so I followed up with dpkg-configure -a and most everything else seems to be working fine |
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| 01:56.38 | Malf | just the locale stuff being wonky |
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| 01:56.53 | Malf | Gotcha. Thanks somiaj |
| 01:57.32 | somiaj | well what does apt-get --reinstall install locales and maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales do |
| 01:57.44 | Lildirt | I have never had so much trouble setting up a PS2 emulator x.x |
| 01:57.45 | somiaj | again you could try to fix things that you find are broken |
| 01:59.05 | NetEcho | somiaj I've removed gnome-shell and gnome-shell-common and switch to slim and the darn bar is still there |
| 01:59.48 | Artemis3v | you confused with gdm? |
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| 02:00.36 | NetEcho | Artemis3 I'm using Xfce yet that annoying Mac wannabe navigation dock from Gnome still pops up and I can't even modify it |
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| 02:00.58 | NetEcho | imgur |
| 02:01.04 | NetEcho | whoops wrong keyboard |
| 02:01.13 | Malf | Thanks somiaj. Reinstalling locales took care of it. Not sure why I wasn't finding that package earlier. |
| 02:01.20 | Malf | Must've had a type in my search or something. |
| 02:01.27 | Malf | er typo.. |
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| 02:01.52 | Artemis3v | NetEcho, you should take a look at what de you are using, slim isn't the most user friendly tho |
| 02:02.14 | Artemis3v | NetEcho, some DM let you pick the desktop env before login |
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| 02:02.52 | NetEcho | Artemis3 XFce is the only DE installed, this problem presents itself with GDM, KDM and Slim, LightDM does not work |
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| 02:04.13 | Artemis3v | with gdm did you make sure you switched the DE before login in? slim i think takes whatever you left in .xinitrc or its conf file |
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| 02:06.58 | NetEcho | Artemis3v http://imgur.com/NjzxTug I set slim as the DE and restarted to make sure it was what came up. I 100% logged into XFCE using Slim, but that bar keeps showing up on the right side of the script and I cannot modify it in any way shape or form, and all but the browser button on it works |
| 02:07.15 | NetEcho | sorry wrong link 1 sec |
| 02:07.32 | NetEcho | http://imgur.com/NJzxTug there you go |
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| 02:09.24 | Artemis3v | its being loaded in your scripts somewhere |
| 02:10.01 | Artemis3v | xfce has also a gui that shows autostarted things |
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| 02:10.52 | NetEcho | Artemis3 warlockbar maybe? |
| 02:11.02 | Artemis3v | no idea what is called |
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| 02:12.35 | NetEcho | thanks for your help Artemis3 that was it |
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| 02:59.40 | yeboot | how do I make an init script *not* start on startup |
| 03:01.01 | jmcnaught | yeboot: "update-rc.d <name> disable" (see the man page for the full details) |
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| 03:33.49 | in_deep_thought | I am trying to install google chrome but running into issues. I am running sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb from the google-chrome download website but I getting: Errors were encountered while processing: google-chrome-stable |
| 03:33.55 | in_deep_thought | any suggestions? |
| 03:34.12 | Artemis3v | use gdebi |
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| 03:34.50 | in_deep_thought | Artemis3: is that for me? what is gdebi? |
| 03:34.58 | Artemis3v | yes |
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| 03:35.25 | in_deep_thought | is it an alternative to apt-get? |
| 03:36.12 | cafuego | No, afaik it's a graphical shell for `dpkg'. |
| 03:36.33 | Artemis3v | actually you can use it in console cafuego |
| 03:37.13 | in_deep_thought | whats the official repository name? when I try apt-get install gdebi I get âPackage gdebi has no installation candidateâ |
| 03:37.19 | Artemis3v | and its not a gui for dpkg as it resolves dependencies dpkg doesnt. |
| 03:37.31 | cafuego | ikw then ;-) |
| 03:38.05 | Artemis3v | gdebi and gdebi-core check you have contrib etc. |
| 03:38.32 | in_deep_thought | Artemis3: is that for me? are you saying that I need âcontribâ? |
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| 04:03.31 | in_deep_thought | how can I install g-debi? when I try apt-get install gdebi and apt-get gdebi-core I get E: unable to locate package. Actually with just gdebi I get âgdebiâ has no installation candidate |
| 04:05.21 | stew | in_deep_thought: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" somewhere we can see it? |
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| 04:07.05 | rryoumaa | i sometimes notice that updates keep the same modification time for files that they replace. what causes this? |
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| 04:07.20 | rryoumaa | s/updates/upgrades/ |
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| 04:11.43 | in_deeper_though | stew: this is the output of my apt-cache policy https://bpaste.net/show/00a5cbbea410 |
| 04:11.54 | in_deeper_though | Im in deep thought if you couldn't guess ;p |
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| 04:13.02 | stew | dpkg: wheezy sources.list |
| 04:13.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:13.48 | stew | in_deeper_though: you don't have a main repository listed in sources.list, you just have your install medium, and security updates. so since gdebi hasn't had a security update yet, and wasn't on your installation medium, its not seen as available |
| 04:13.59 | stew | in_deeper_though: see dpkg above ^^ |
| 04:14.22 | in_deeper_though | so basically just clear the three deb lines in sources.list and replace them with those |
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| 04:15.50 | yates | if anyone knows of interaction between the bbb expansion P8 signals and debian, please let me know. details on the problem i'm seeing are here: http://www.digitalsignallabs.com/debian-problem-20140915170313.htm |
| 04:16.34 | narbeh | Hi, How can I see what commands are being run in /dev/tty1? I got so much output in console. bind: cannot assign requested address |
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| 04:18.07 | in_deeper_though | stew: I added those 3 lines and deleted the ones that existed previously, yet I am still getting E: Package 'gdebi' has no installation candidate |
| 04:18.29 | in_deeper_though | are you sure I don't need some kind of ftp.us.debian line? to establish the mirror? |
| 04:18.55 | stew | in_deeper_though: did you run either apt-get update or aptitude update after editing the file? |
| 04:20.04 | in_deeper_though | stew: nope. that fixed it though thanks |
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| 04:21.09 | in_deeper_though | should I have to use sudo every time I run apt-get install ? |
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| 04:36.32 | mdim | hi all! |
| 04:36.42 | narbeh | mdim: hi |
| 04:36.47 | mdim | I'm trying to write my name in IPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet |
| 04:37.03 | mdim | is there a tool in Debian that would pronounce whatever I write in IPA? |
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| 05:06.48 | Artemis3 | don't know if a tool, but i remember seen a font |
| 05:06.56 | Artemis3 | seeing |
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| 05:07.23 | cmyers_laptop | does anyone know off the top of their head how likely multi-monitor multi-card support is to work with the free/open radeon driver? |
| 05:07.34 | cmyers_laptop | with wheezy |
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| 05:11.19 | none | I need a simple tool that when called waits for a key to be pressed and then prints the pressed key to stdout |
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| 05:11.45 | none | does anyone know such tool? |
| 05:11.59 | yates | none: bash |
| 05:12.29 | none | you mean while :; do read -n1 KEY; ... |
| 05:12.32 | none | ? |
| 05:12.42 | yates | no, i mean "> " |
| 05:12.57 | yates | when you press a key, it is echoed to stdout |
| 05:13.07 | none | what? |
| 05:13.14 | yates | oh, nothing. |
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| 05:15.42 | none | jesus, no one? |
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| 05:24.12 | anyMoreHC | 1251 online |
| 05:24.37 | anyMoreHC | none:no one is your name not status of this channel |
| 05:24.42 | anyMoreHC | lol |
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| 05:29.32 | bitgeek | none: read -n 1 x; echo $x |
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| 05:31.10 | none | bitgeek let's suppose my shell doesn't have the "-n1" option. do you know how to simulate that? |
| 05:31.29 | themill | use a shell that does |
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| 05:33.31 | none | kakakakaka |
| 05:34.00 | none | is read a built-in function? |
| 05:34.05 | themill | yes |
| 05:34.21 | none | sorry |
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| 05:34.48 | none | is read (-n1) a built-in function of what shells? |
| 05:35.00 | TJ- | none: "dd bs=1 count=1 status=none" |
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| 05:35.44 | NetEcho | I've been playing around with debian jessie and it would seem that in the span of a week sabnzbd has been updated to use systemd but no .service file so I can't start the daemon, has anyone encoutered this yet? |
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| 05:36.32 | NetEcho | or know how to switch it back to init? |
| 05:36.56 | themill | none: that will work with bash at least. |
| 05:37.22 | none | yes but bash is a shit |
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| 05:37.40 | themill | yes, it's terrible when it actually has the functions you require |
| 05:38.27 | none | ;p |
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| 05:46.22 | NetEcho | how do you locate a .service file for systemd? I've been looking all over and apparently this service file exists but I can't find it |
| 05:46.35 | hanasaki | is there a way to install into a single btrfs using subvolumes for each path? ext /boot, /var/ tmp ... ? |
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| 05:52.08 | hanasaki | NetEcho: google it |
| 05:52.23 | hanasaki | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
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| 05:53.22 | supadupa | hi all |
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| 05:54.19 | hanasaki | NetEcho: here is one example /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service |
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| 05:55.53 | NetEcho | hanasaki I looked there and /etc/systemd as well and can't find it but it apparently exists |
| 05:57.51 | themill | NetEcho: precisely which package are you talking about here? sabnzbdplus hasn't changed in over a year. |
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| 06:03.04 | supadupa | everyone good here? |
| 06:04.04 | NetEcho | themill apparently something is different . I installed sab on monday on my system under jessie with no problems modifying /etc/default/sabnzbdplus and then service sabnzbdplus start but on the new system even after modifying the default file the service has a hard time starting |
| 06:04.24 | NetEcho | I managed to get it to take after doing systemctl stop and start a few times |
| 06:04.25 | hanasaki | NetEcho: I am just ramping up myself. kinda like the the structure of it. read a few posts that condem the code quality though :( and that say it is touch on low resource machines :( need to check and validate that |
| 06:05.10 | NetEcho | but alas it is 2am so my tinkering must stop for the night lol |
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| 06:07.00 | hanasaki | anyone get sid B1 to install>? failing on install tasksel packages for me |
| 06:07.11 | hanasaki | NetEcho: east coast? |
| 06:07.35 | NetEcho | hanasaki Ontario, Canada |
| 06:08.01 | hanasaki | hurah.. watcing the Northern lights on Friday? |
| 06:08.29 | NetEcho | nah heh |
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| 06:10.12 | BenNZ | hanasaki: you should ask in #debian-next on the oftc network about sid problems |
| 06:11.11 | hanasaki | oftc? |
| 06:11.27 | hanasaki | BenNZ: not sid ... jessie |
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| 06:11.53 | BenNZ | hanasaki: irc.oftc.net , same with testing |
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| 06:13.10 | hanasaki | kibishi ga na |
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| 06:58.18 | DarsVaeda | does anyone happen to know what this tool is called that graphically shows used space sorted by folders |
| 06:58.26 | DarsVaeda | nice cake diagrams |
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| 06:59.44 | Penix | DarsVaeda: baobab? |
| 07:00.30 | DarsVaeda | so easy couldn't find it -.- |
| 07:00.34 | DarsVaeda | disk usage analyzer |
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| 07:00.44 | NiLon | cake is lie |
| 07:00.48 | DarsVaeda | langorn99 |
| 07:00.52 | DarsVaeda | grr |
| 07:00.53 | Penix | not sure if it's still part of gnome-utils or not |
| 07:01.14 | delaytime0 | cake is yummie ;) |
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| 07:02.48 | DarsVaeda | ah baobab seems to be disk usage analyzer |
| 07:02.57 | Penix | yeah, renamed for gnome 3 I think |
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| 07:04.34 | DarsVaeda | thanks :) |
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| 07:43.12 | Tilgaht | hi |
| 07:43.30 | Tilgaht | i had a question about a problem with xcb_lock |
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| 07:44.39 | Tilgaht | where is located xcb_lock.C |
| 07:44.53 | Tilgaht | i'm unable to find it and it's returning an error code at line 77 |
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| 07:46.50 | Penix | Tilgaht: ignore the reference to the C file. it's not a file on your system. paste the error on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 07:55.11 | Tilgaht | Penix: http://paste.debian.net/121109/ |
| 07:55.35 | andry | strange. one of my (fresh) debian stable installations ignores "alnum" for tr command while the other accepts it. i use it for password generation: "tr -cd '[:alnum:]' < /dev/urandom | fold -w22 | head -n1 | echo `cat - `$RANDOM" |
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| 07:56.04 | andry | one displays some weird chars as output .. the other just alnum oO |
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| 08:18.09 | Dudytz | hi all, jessie kernel compression method is switched to XZ ... I have a legacy XEN system that not support XZ compressed kernels ... can I build the jessie kernel from source changing the compression method to the old method? |
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| 08:27.55 | nkuttler | !tell Dudytz about kp |
| 08:28.46 | nkuttler | Dudytz: you can copy over the config from /boot/, though you might want to customize that, it builds everything by default.. |
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| 08:32.01 | Dudytz | nkuttler: thank you ... It's possible to only extract the original kernel and re-compress it with the old method? this works? |
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| 08:33.14 | nkuttler | Dudytz: no idea |
| 08:33.37 | nkuttler | doesn't the kernel self-extract? now idea how any of this works |
| 08:34.23 | Dudytz | nkuttler: I believe that not ... because (for example) xen extracts the kernel image |
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| 08:34.41 | Dudytz | in my case, the old xen does not support XZ compression method |
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| 08:35.26 | mroman_ | Connecting an external VGA Monitor isn't working out-of-the-box apparentely. |
| 08:35.39 | mroman_ | Does this require additional modules or drivers? |
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| 08:36.52 | Dudytz | nkuttler: thank you for the informations |
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| 08:39.29 | mroman_ | xrandr doesn't seem to list a VGA port |
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| 08:52.40 | mroman_ | I'll try installing non-free firmware |
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| 09:25.29 | pete___ | Hi. I have 2 servers, Etch & Wheezy. I can ping & ssh into both from the same subnet, but when I do so having VPNd in from afar, I can connect to Etch but not to Wheezy. Did something change WRT this in Wheezy please? |
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| 09:26.39 | petn-randall | pete___: No, it sounds like something with your VPN setup is broken. By the way, etch is not supported for a long time now; time to upgrade. |
| 09:27.13 | oznt | hi guys, I am having a problem with a post-install script of a debian package I build. The script runs flawlessly, it reports it added users to the mongodb but I can't connect with the credentials used in the script. Can someone help me with that? |
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| 09:29.21 | pete___ | petn-randall: Thanks. That's why there's Etch and Wheezy, I'm replacing the Etch server. If I turn off Etch and set Wheezy's IP to the one Etch had, I still can't connect, I thought that would negate the issue being with my VPN, but perhaps not? |
| 09:29.59 | jelly | pete___: what kind of vpn? Can you show or at least compare output of "route -n" on both? |
| 09:30.29 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:30.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:30.50 | jelly | pete___: and "ifconfig -a" while you're at it |
| 09:31.17 | pete___ | jelly: OpenVPN client, going through pfSense's OpenVPN Server. I'll have a look at route and ifconfig and get back, thanks. |
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| 09:37.28 | pete___ | Thanks for the help people, the netmask was set to 255.0.0.0 (I didn't set it up) |
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| 09:39.07 | AlexPortable | How can I export the menu entries in the 'applications' section to a folder? |
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| 09:43.30 | petn-randall | oznt: Please don't crosspost; this leads to duplicated efforts if both channels should start helping you. |
| 09:43.55 | petn-randall | oznt: Did you check with mongodb if the credentials got added? |
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| 09:45.31 | oznt | hi petn-randall, sorry, I have the habit to connect to freenode, I should only connect to oftc |
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| 10:01.06 | touki | Hey, my server (on a VM) can't ping or wget anything, because it's not able to solve any hostname. Any idea where it could come from ? |
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| 10:04.26 | ChrisH | touki: misconfigured /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:54.52 | Konomi | before I put up a bug report does anyone think this would need a bug report: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gGJ5i6t8 |
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| 11:19.43 | Z1T1TTT | /dev/sdb1 * 2048 390719487 195358720 6 FAT16 |
| 11:19.50 | Z1T1TTT | how should I mount this in debian ? |
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| 11:20.36 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: mdkir -p /media/sdb1 ; mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 |
| 11:20.47 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: |
| 11:20.56 | Z1T1TTT | i wanna mount it to /mnt |
| 11:21.09 | Z1T1TTT | but the thing is that i need to specify the fs type and i did vfat and it failed |
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| 11:21.49 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt should work as well... if not show dmesg ; blkid; df -h ; on paste.debian.net please |
| 11:22.40 | Z1T1TTT | user@linux:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 11:22.40 | Z1T1TTT | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 11:22.58 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: see output above |
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| 11:23.49 | delaytime0 | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 11:24.38 | Z1T1TTT | delaytime0: http://paste.debian.net/121140/ |
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| 11:26.36 | delaytime0 | so its not vfat, maybe ;) as ChrisH said "blkid /dev/sdb1" |
| 11:27.21 | Z1T1TTT | delaytime0: I did sudo blkid /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:27.25 | Z1T1TTT | and nothing happened |
| 11:27.50 | ChrisH | is still waiting for the requested information.... |
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| 11:28.04 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: df -h ? |
| 11:28.23 | delaytime0 | will help |
| 11:28.34 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: 13:21 < ChrisH> Z1T1TTT: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt should work as well... if not show dmesg ; blkid; df -h ; on paste.debian.net please |
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| 11:28.58 | Z1T1TTT | here.. http://paste.debian.net/121141/ |
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| 11:29.48 | Z1T1TTT | and the blkid... http://paste.debian.net/121142/ |
| 11:30.03 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: is it difficult to provide _all_ requested output in _one_ paste? |
| 11:30.21 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: i was confused, srry |
| 11:31.01 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: It makes it much easier to understand if its in one paste. |
| 11:32.16 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: here is ALL in one paste.. http://paste.debian.net/121144/ |
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| 11:35.42 | Jonuz | If I want upgrade to jessie should squeezy first first be upgraded to wheezy? |
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| 11:37.35 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: From the messages I can see a 200GB external USB connected Disk showung up as sdb, but kernel cannot find a valid filessytem. Please run these three command and paste them. sudo -i ; fdisk -l /dev/sdb ; blkid |
| 11:37.45 | babilen | Jonuz: absolutely |
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| 11:38.57 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: when I do the commands above, nothing happens |
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| 11:39.28 | sar_AA | hi |
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| 11:39.57 | sar_AA | I have configured my sshd service (openssh) but If I do /etc/init.d/ssh restart or stop it doesn't work. For example If I do /Etc/init.d/ssh stop I can still access the ssh service. Any ideas why that happens ? |
| 11:40.07 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: nothing? You should be root now... Next try as root: fdisk -l /dev/sda ; date ; fdisk -l /dev/sdb ; date ; blkid ; date and again: paste all |
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| 11:40.37 | ChrisH | sar_AA: established connections are not affected from a stop/restart |
| 11:40.59 | sar_AA | new connections ChrisH ? |
| 11:41.05 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/121150/ |
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| 11:41.58 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: are you sure there is a filesystem on the Disk? |
| 11:42.10 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: I am not |
| 11:42.18 | sar_AA | ChrisH: I change for example the PasswordAuthentication directive to "no" and when I restart it with /etc/init.d/ssh restart It doesn't work |
| 11:42.24 | Z1T1TTT | its empty I can format it if needed |
| 11:42.27 | sar_AA | still aske for a password |
| 11:42.33 | sar_AA | *ask me |
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| 11:43.28 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: then go ahead and put a filesystem onto the disk and then it should be mounted automagically depending on the GUI used. |
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| 11:44.12 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: how do I put a filesystem onto the disk? (also, it would be great if we chose one that will also work on a windows machine) |
| 11:44.30 | ChrisH | sar_AA: you did disallow authentication via password, but sshd still asks, but I expect providing correct password will now log you in. |
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| 11:45.46 | foraay_ | how do I remove the 486 kernel I have http://sprunge.us/WRYc ? |
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| 11:46.10 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: I am not familiar with windows filesystems... but mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 should do the job. |
| 11:46.47 | blackjack | guys is it possible for root to see the history of any shell users? |
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| 11:48.02 | sar_AA | ChrisH: ? I don't understand what you sed. If I disable authenticaion and still asks is because it wasn't restarted the service correctly? |
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| 11:49.02 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/121154/ |
| 11:49.26 | Z1T1TTT | seems ok, yet i dont see it in te file manager |
| 11:51.09 | Z1T1TTT | oh, i assume the /mnt folder is the HDD itself. right? |
| 11:51.25 | ChrisH | sar_AA: there are 2 steps. Step 1 ask for a password Step 2: allow access based on a successfull password authentication. You disabled Step 2 |
| 11:51.28 | delaytime0 | blackjack, in most cases it is. /home/user/.bash_history or .history or so. And the root-user can su to any user and run "history" |
| 11:52.17 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: line 30 does not show any error message, so now the sdb1 partition is mounted to /mnt |
| 11:52.52 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: I just tried to pase a picture in the /mnt and it gives me the permission denied thing |
| 11:52.55 | sar_AA | ChrisH: I understand but I sill think that the sshd dameon in nor reading the new configuation because I change also the port to 2222 and still listen on port 22 |
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| 11:54.48 | ChrisH | sar_AA: if you are _NOT_ connected via ssh, you _might_ want to try : sshd stop ; ps -ef | grep ssh ; kill'them all :) ; sshd start |
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| 11:55.36 | sar_AA | ChrisH: let me try it |
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| 11:55.53 | sar_AA | I'm not connecte I'm doing it locally |
| 11:55.58 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: if you are copying as non-root user thats expected with VFAT and the way you mounted it. umount /mnt and unplug the disk; replug and have the GUI env (KDE/Gnome) mount it as your user. |
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| 11:56.21 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: Okay |
| 11:56.26 | blackjack | thankd delaytime0. i got it |
| 11:56.29 | blackjack | thanks* |
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| 11:57.49 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: works perfectly! Thank you. |
| 11:58.25 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: you're welcome, have fun with Debian |
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| 11:59.24 | sar_AA | ChrisH: I have running 2 processes: /usr/bin/sshd and /usr/bin/sshd -D . If I do "sshd stop" it says "extra argument stop" |
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| 12:00.08 | ChrisH | sar_AA: I was too lazy to write /etc/init.d/ssh sto |
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| 12:00.39 | sandman13 | sar_AA: service sshd stop should also do the trick :D |
| 12:00.42 | ChrisH | sar_AA: -D When this option is specified, sshd will not detach and does not become a daemon. This allows easy monitoring of sshd. <--- This is expected to cause problems |
| 12:01.23 | ChrisH | This might cause the problems you see... above wording is misleading |
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| 12:03.01 | vinci | hi all |
| 12:03.18 | vinci | question, do you know if there is a project to package varnish modules in debian ? like https://github.com/lampeh/ this one :) |
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| 12:03.30 | vinci | and / or if there is a team working on those ? |
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| 12:07.31 | sar_AA | sandman13: ChrisH let me try it again |
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| 12:08.36 | sar_AA | ChrisH: I didn't config sshd to use the -D option I just installed the openssh-service package. I'm gonna try to kill the process and restart it |
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| 12:09.25 | steinerlein | Good morning. I am trying to set up the wifi card in my powerbook g4 using this driver: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy - Unfortuantely the Ethernet port doesn't work. How can I go about setting it up? |
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| 12:09.59 | sar_AA | ChrisH: that was the problem :( How can I configure sshd to no use that flag automatically, when I reboot the machine the process with sshd -D start |
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| 12:13.03 | steinerlein | I have tried downloading the packages on another machine and installing the from usb, but there is one step during the setup where a file seems to get downloaded from somewhere else and that obviously doesn't work |
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| 12:13.17 | Penix | steinerlein: doesn't work how? it doesn't even appear as a pci device? |
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| 12:13.45 | steinerlein | it does, but nothing happens when I plug in a working ethernet cable |
| 12:13.59 | steinerlein | I still had osx installed before, it did the same thing.. |
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| 12:14.20 | steinerlein | Debugging the ethernet port would be another way, but I have no idea how to do that |
| 12:14.23 | Penix | steinerlein: what's 'nothing' mean? no ip address? are you expecting a dhcp lease? |
| 12:14.44 | Penix | steinerlein: give it a static address. it will make it a lot easier to do the firmware install |
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| 12:15.06 | steinerlein | I have tried that, didn't work as well :( |
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| 12:15.42 | Penix | if the interface exists (eth0 or similar), it should work. |
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| 12:15.54 | babilen | steinerlein: Which card does it use? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) -- Can you configure it manually (cf. https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration) or are you trying to use NetworkManager in a desktop environment? Can you see the interface in the output of "ip a" ? |
| 12:16.03 | Penix | steinerlein: if you don't want to use the ethernet connection, perhaps take a look at the script that performs the firmware file download |
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| 12:16.57 | steinerlein | the ethernet controller is Apple Inc. UniNorth 2 GMAC (Sun GEM) (rev 80) |
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| 12:17.16 | steinerlein | I have tried it using the ethernet manager |
| 12:17.32 | steinerlein | in the desktop environment |
| 12:18.07 | steinerlein | ip a gives lo eth0 and wlan0 |
| 12:18.37 | Penix | steinerlein: take a look at what babilen mentioned. try stopping networkmanager and configure eth0 manually |
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| 12:18.44 | babilen | steinerlein: Would you mind running the command I gave earlier and giving us the pciid of the device? It would be the alphanumerical identifier at the end of that line and looks like [abcd:1234] |
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| 12:19.22 | steinerlein | [106b:0032] |
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| 12:19.34 | babilen | judd: pciid 106b:0032 |
| 12:19.35 | judd | [106b:0032] is 'UniNorth 2 GMAC (Sun GEM)' from 'Apple Inc.' with kernel module 'sungem' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=106b:0032 |
| 12:19.52 | steinerlein | that's the one |
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| 12:20.25 | steinerlein | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
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| 12:20.31 | babilen | steinerlein: Should be well supported. Could you run "service network-manager stop" and then "ip link set eth0 up" followed by "dhclient eth0". Does it get an IP? |
| 12:20.34 | steinerlein | where do I set this up? In a file? |
| 12:20.44 | steinerlein | let me try that |
| 12:20.49 | babilen | steinerlein: It is referring to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:22.23 | steinerlein | dhclient eth0 takes a long time.. |
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| 12:22.46 | Achylles | after purging my wdm, and starting X with startx command, my GUI dos not open in ctrl-alt-f7 place, but now it opens in ctrl-alt-f2 and ctrl-alt-f7 only shows a blinking cursor hanging on the top. How can I fix this strange behaviour? |
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| 12:23.17 | steinerlein | no, that didn't work |
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| 12:23.38 | steinerlein | I can't see any activity on the switch it is plugged into |
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| 12:24.46 | babilen | steinerlein: Okay, run "ip link set eth0 down" and then "modprobe -r sungem ; modprobe sungem ; dmesg|tail -n23" -- Any errors? Mind trying to run dhclient again? |
| 12:24.57 | babilen | (I assume that a cable is connected btw) |
| 12:25.06 | steinerlein | yes, yes it is |
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| 12:27.28 | steinerlein | babilen: what am I looking at then? |
| 12:28.11 | babilen | I don't quite follow. I would hope that you look at messages in the kernel ring buffer. |
| 12:28.39 | babilen | And if there is something like "ERROR: I'm really unhappy because $REASON" in there it would be good to see that. |
| 12:28.56 | steinerlein | yeah, I found something |
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| 12:29.16 | steinerlein | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0; link is not ready |
| 12:29.37 | steinerlein | two times |
| 12:30.33 | babilen | That shouldn't be an issue. Could you run dhclient again? |
| 12:30.50 | steinerlein | running now |
| 12:31.04 | babilen | Any blinkenlights? |
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| 12:31.14 | steinerlein | nothing |
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| 12:31.54 | steinerlein | stopped trying now |
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| 12:32.20 | babilen | Hmm, pity. This looks as if it demands a deeper investigation which is, unfortunately, not an option for me right now. |
| 12:32.46 | steinerlein | alright, thank you very much anyways! :) |
| 12:32.47 | babilen | Maybe someone else would like to walk you through that. |
| 12:33.04 | steinerlein | If someone would, please just go ahead! |
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| 12:33.52 | steinerlein | Another idea for the wifi driver: I have found the file the script tries to download - can't I just redirect the URL to a local folder through a hosts entry? |
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| 12:34.18 | steinerlein | And how would I do that? I only know something like that from windows (sorry) |
| 12:36.27 | babilen | You can just edit the script to use a local file I'd guess |
| 12:37.12 | babilen | But then, what it does is: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Other_distributions_not_mentioned_above |
| 12:37.19 | babilen | (you could just do that manually) |
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| 12:37.56 | babilen | (don't install the fwcutter manually, just do the extracting part) |
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| 12:39.22 | steinerlein | Sorry, I am not sure I understand what I should be doing |
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| 12:43.01 | steinerlein | babilen: which driver should I be using? |
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| 12:59.15 | steinerlein | babilen: have you got some more time on your hand to assist me with installing the firmware? I don't think that I did it correctly :( |
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| 13:12.13 | steinerlein | Okay, even if I am running the risk of annoying you people: Is there someone who would be willing to assist me with finding out why my ethernet connection is not working? |
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| 13:12.46 | sterns | Sure, are we talking about hard line? |
| 13:13.06 | ShalokShalom | arg |
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| 13:13.49 | steinerlein | I have tried some basic things before, assisted by babilen - have you read through? |
| 13:13.54 | ShalokShalom | KMail dont let me send emails, because it use mynickname@networkname as my mail adress |
| 13:14.04 | steinerlein | and yes, hard line |
| 13:14.16 | ShalokShalom | even, while i use my riseup account to send and get mails |
| 13:14.20 | ShalokShalom | read them works |
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| 13:14.36 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: |
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| 13:14.58 | Z1T1TTT | i made it ext4. now it mounts automatically. but gives me the permision denied thing |
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| 13:17.08 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: after its mounted run one time as root chown user:group /mnt ; replace user:group with the needed user/group |
| 13:17.39 | Thumpxr | Hi, would you consider using debian testing on a root server? Im tired of using a old version of znc ._. |
| 13:18.01 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Thumpxr about backports |
| 13:18.07 | ChrisH | Thumpxr: quick anser: no |
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| 13:18.47 | ChrisH | Thumpxr: at least if its accessible from outside |
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| 13:19.14 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: |
| 13:19.14 | Z1T1TTT | root@linux:~# group /mnt |
| 13:19.15 | Z1T1TTT | -bash: group: command not found |
| 13:19.41 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: I wrote: chown user:group /mnt |
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| 13:20.49 | Thumpxr | Okay, saw your pm. Thanks for the hint :) |
| 13:21.57 | ChrisH | Thumpxr: Is it simply the version number or what is not OK with the znc version in stable? |
| 13:22.09 | sterns | steinerlein: no I don't have that history, can you summarize? |
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| 13:22.41 | Thumpxr | ChrisH: yes |
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| 13:23.24 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Thumpxr about sns |
| 13:23.29 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: |
| 13:23.30 | Z1T1TTT | root@linux:~# chown user:group /mnt |
| 13:23.31 | Z1T1TTT | chown: invalid group: `user:group' |
| 13:23.36 | ChrisH | Thumpxr: looks like you suffer from SNS :) have fun |
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| 13:24.10 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: carefully read my I wrote. I quote myself here: "replace user:group with the needed user/group" |
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| 13:25.00 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: okay so my user is `user` so I'll do chown user /mnt |
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| 13:25.47 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: permission denied |
| 13:25.49 | Thumpxr | ChrisH: would you recommend using znc 0.206 or 1.4? |
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| 13:26.34 | ShalokShalom | can i install old versions in jessie |
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| 13:26.43 | ShalokShalom | where are they stored please ? |
| 13:26.49 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: debian.jpg: Error opening file '/media/c13f3d4d-f6c6-45f3-8fb7-05bbf5276666/debian.jpg': Permission denied |
| 13:26.52 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: If you have no special group... thats OK. check id -a from commandline and I quote myself once more: "after its mounted run one time as root chown ..." |
| 13:27.26 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: arg, you changed the mountpoint... chown user /media/c13f3d4d-f6c6-45f3-8fb7-05bbf5276666/ |
| 13:27.30 | Z1T1TTT | root@linux:~# id -a |
| 13:27.30 | Z1T1TTT | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 13:28.15 | ChrisH | Thumpxr: If znc 0.206 is in debian stable and no feature is missing I would use that version. |
| 13:28.16 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: now it worked. i didnt change it. it changed itself |
| 13:29.36 | Z1T1TTT | ChrisH: thx! |
| 13:30.16 | ChrisH | Z1T1TTT: your welcome |
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| 13:32.14 | steinerlein | sterns: |
| 13:32.16 | steinerlein | sterns:http://pastebin.com/ZkHaMq7z |
| 13:32.57 | three_legs | how can i re |
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| 13:34.01 | three_legs | how can i make a request that an outdated package with know bugs to be upgraded in the repository |
| 13:36.15 | SynrG | are they security bugs, and/or bugs that render the package unusable? |
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| 13:38.27 | jelly | three_legs: if the bugs do not fall into the description above, they are not very likely to be fixed in current release. There might be a backport. |
| 13:40.15 | three_legs | unuseable in a sense the package is libcurl and it hangs when there is bad /no internet connection this causes udefined behavior i could do a security audit of the bug but it has already been fixed in a newer verion |
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| 13:41.07 | jelly | ,v libcurl3 |
| 13:41.08 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy9; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.26.0-1+wheezy10; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy10; jessie: 7.38.0-1; sid: 7.38.0-1 |
| 13:41.25 | jelly | three_legs: which version do you have installed? |
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| 13:42.35 | three_legs | 7.26 |
| 13:42.46 | jelly | which package version? |
| 13:43.07 | SynrG | three_legs: seems unlikely that will be receive an update in current stable, then. |
| 13:43.24 | three_legs | 7.26.0-1 |
| 13:43.29 | omid8bimo | i always install debian netinstall on my servers; recently i noticed that openssh option is removed from standard package installation menu. anybody knows why? |
| 13:43.38 | SynrG | three_legs: that does not render the package unusable, but only manifests in a corner case. |
| 13:43.44 | jelly | three_legs: upgrade to current, 7.26.0-1+wheezy10, and see if it still happens |
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| 13:44.13 | SynrG | oh, unless it was fixed in a security update, yes :) |
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| 13:44.54 | jelly | three_legs: your OS has likely not been patched, it probably has other security issues as well |
| 13:45.19 | SynrG | omid8bimo: i don't know what the 'openssh option' is ... are you in 'expert' mode? |
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| 13:46.42 | three_legs | alright. i also maintain a repo that will ship with the project i am working on this will be installed on 100+machines would it be a good idea to put the newest version of libcurl in the repo if it does not work |
| 13:46.42 | jelly | three_legs: do an "aptitude update" and "aptitude -s full-upgrade" to see what else is unpatched |
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| 13:47.12 | SynrG | three_legs: you should not deploy to so many machines from *only* the stable repo and *not* also *all* of the security repo |
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| 13:47.21 | flixr | hi guys, I'm trying to package a python package that has just been released on pypi as version 2.3-pre-2 and I was wondering if anyone could help me out in choosing the right debian package version for this |
| 13:47.25 | SynrG | i.e. i would not pick a single package out to pull from security like that |
| 13:47.31 | omid8bimo | SynrG: no. normal text mode installation. during the installation, after selecting packages stage, a screen comes up that asks for software system (like this http://www.linuxjournal.com/ufiles/debian_netinstall.png) |
| 13:47.44 | omid8bimo | but minus all options except "standard system" |
| 13:48.10 | omid8bimo | now, there used to be "openssh server" option as well but its not there anymore in new netinstall iso files |
| 13:48.25 | SynrG | i see. an "ssh server" is not a 'kind of system'. it's just a piece of software, often present on many different systems. what you're seeing there are called 'tasks' provided by the tasksel package |
| 13:48.36 | flixr | if I version the package as e.g. 2.3-pre-2-0~ppa1 would a final 2.3 release (with a version name of something like 2.3-0~ppa1) supersede it? |
| 13:48.43 | SynrG | and those tasks are for installing various kinds of system ... |
| 13:48.56 | SynrG | they simplify installing a bunch of packages together at once. |
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| 13:50.04 | SynrG | omid8bimo: hmm. this isn't a wheezy install, is it? |
| 13:50.37 | SynrG | omid8bimo: looking through the changelog on sid i don't see any removal ... |
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| 13:50.42 | omid8bimo | SynrG: ok got it. yeah its stable wheezy. i also downloaded the latest testing iso but it didnt include "openssh server" task as well |
| 13:50.49 | SynrG | omid8bimo: are you sure there aren't just more tasks and you've not scrolled down? |
| 13:51.00 | omid8bimo | SynrG: yeah im sure |
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| 13:51.28 | SynrG | omid8bimo: then again, not *all* tasks are offered at installation time, even if they exist in the archive. i'm not sure which package is responsible for that |
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| 13:52.55 | Sveta | how do i change tty color? i already know that ``dpkg-reconfigure console-setup'' changes the font |
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| 13:53.18 | three_legs | oh but the machines have a seprate repo with only one package in it currently and they will be mostly unmanned so i am doing automatic upgrades so i can push updates of the package to them some of these are going to places with scarce internet connection so i need it to work |
| 13:53.28 | flixr | if this is not the right channel to ask for debian packaging version number problems, could someone suggest a different channel? |
| 13:53.37 | three_legs | ofc |
| 13:53.50 | three_legs | sorry |
| 13:53.52 | SynrG | omid8bimo: http://paste.debian.net/121188/ |
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| 13:54.07 | SynrG | omid8bimo: maybe there's no reason to even offer it if it's always going to be installed? |
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| 13:55.58 | Sveta | hi |
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| 13:57.41 | andry | hi, can anyone confirm this? i just copy/paste: strange. one of my (fresh) debian stable installations ignores "alnum" for tr command while the other accepts it. i use it for password generation: "tr -cd '[:alnum:]' < /dev/urandom | fold -w22 | head -n1 | echo `cat - `$RANDOM" - one displays partly some weird chars as output .. the other only alnum oO |
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| 14:00.04 | jelly | andry: echo $(tr -cd '[:alnum:]' < /dev/urandom | fold -w22 | head -n1 )$RANDOM works for me |
| 14:00.06 | SynrG | omid8bimo: see tasksel --new-install, but note that this behaves quite differently on an already installed system. |
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| 14:00.29 | SynrG | omid8bimo: check the man page for that option: "automatically select some tasks without even displaying them to the user; default other tasks to on; used during new Debian installs." |
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| 14:01.07 | SynrG | omid8bimo: so it seems likely in this case to keep the menu decluttered it just installs task-ssh-server and doesn't show it. are you finding that a server install ends up without ssh? |
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| 14:01.54 | andry | jelly, this doens't work on my new box, either .. the other (~1 year old) - also upgraded etc. - is fine, again |
| 14:02.10 | omid8bimo | SynrG: well im sure its not installing the ssh task automatically since after reboot of a fresh install, no ssh server exist |
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| 14:02.22 | jelly | andry: note that GNU tr will interpret [:alnum:] depending on the current locale |
| 14:02.32 | andry | :O |
| 14:02.36 | andry | that's it |
| 14:02.42 | andry | thank you! :) |
| 14:02.45 | jelly | andry: export LC_ALL=C to override |
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| 14:03.01 | jelly | (or unset any locale env.vars) |
| 14:03.07 | SynrG | omid8bimo: maybe ask for help at #debian-boot then. i don't nkow |
| 14:03.08 | SynrG | know* |
| 14:03.46 | omid8bimo | SynrG: thanks for your info anyway dude ;) |
| 14:03.51 | andry | thank you :) i used "tr -cd A-Za-z0-9" for now |
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| 14:04.23 | andry | i'd have never guessed it is the locales |
| 14:04.29 | andry | -s |
| 14:04.37 | jelly | uses pwgen, from the pwgen package |
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| 14:05.39 | halt2 | Hi All, I took over a server, which seams to use an internal repo, but it's not exist anymore, the question is which package was installed from there, how can i find that out ? like dpkg -l but show the src repo as well |
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| 14:06.39 | andry | i shoud try this, too, jelly .. can i define the amount of numbers in pwgen? like min. 4 |
| 14:06.57 | andry | that's why i use the stupid "$RANDOM" above .. i NEED to have at least 4 |
| 14:07.15 | jelly | andry: A-Z will also be interpreted locale-dependent, if your urandom device manages to spew two bytes corresponding to eg "Ã", it would be accepted |
| 14:07.30 | andry | ok, i see :) |
| 14:07.40 | jelly | in a, say, de_DE.UTF-8 locale |
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| 14:08.19 | andry | that was my active locale :) |
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| 14:09.34 | ManoftheSea | Hello Debian. Can anyone suggest a way to ignore an internal bluetooth device (usb-connected) on every boot? I've got two, and it's messing up network-manager. |
| 14:09.42 | ManoftheSea | I can't remove the module, because I think both use it. |
| 14:09.48 | jelly | andry: if you're going to use it in a script, override locale with LC_ALL |
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| 14:13.20 | three_legs | so where should i go for package help? |
| 14:13.23 | Walex | ManoftheSea: configure Network Manager right. |
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| 14:15.24 | jelly | three_legs: what kind of package help? |
| 14:15.28 | ManoftheSea | Walex: Could you elaborate? |
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| 14:15.42 | ManoftheSea | As far as I can tell, Network Manager can see both devices, but use neither. |
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| 14:17.11 | three_legs | the libcurl |
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| 14:18.26 | jelly | three_legs: I didn't see your answer about patching your system to have the latest libcurl3 first, did you try that? |
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| 14:18.32 | Walex | ManoftheSea: if the driver sees a device it will be "recognized" unless there is a driver parameter to "ignore" it. But ignoring it is pointless, because a "recognized" device does nothing unless it is configured and used. If NetworkManager somehow (and you cleverly are hiding the details!) handles a second BlueTooth device in a way you don't like, either it is buggy or you have configure it wrong. |
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| 14:19.24 | jelly | three_legs: do you have security repos enabled at all, what does "apt-cache policy libcurl3; apt-cache policy" say? Put the complete output into a pastebin (eg. http://paste.debian.net/) |
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| 14:21.40 | ManoftheSea | Walex: I don't mean to be hiding details! I have a Dell laptop with a usb connected Dell Bluetooth module, and an Atheros wireless with onboard bluetooth. |
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| 14:22.04 | ManoftheSea | I believe Network manager is buggy. |
| 14:22.35 | ManoftheSea | In the Bluetooth tab, it tells me my system is "hostname-1". Which I can't change. |
| 14:23.01 | ManoftheSea | interacting with other bluetooth devices (android phone), stuff will sometimes come from one or the other device. |
| 14:23.08 | ManoftheSea | That's why I want to turn off the internal one. |
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| 14:23.36 | Jonny135 | Hi! I have a server with debian squeeze and I would like to upgrade to wheezy. Everything work fine, but the is a package that I need that is on the wheezy repos. So it might be the time for the upgrade... Before starting I would like to make and backup of the actual state using the command virsh snapshot-create-as myvm snapshot1 "backup before upgrade to wheezy" --disk-only --atomic (Yes, is a guest of a virtual machine and the cmd I will execute on the |
| 14:24.20 | ManoftheSea | Jonny135: you cut off at "cmd I will execute" |
| 14:24.21 | Jonny135 | Someone could give me some advice for having no downtime on the guest server |
| 14:25.00 | Jonny135 | ... the cmd I will execute on the vm host) |
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| 14:27.41 | jhutchins | Jonny135: There will be downtime. There will be data loss. All we can do is attempt to minimize it. |
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| 14:28.24 | Jonny135 | jhutchins: minimize it's ok! |
| 14:28.25 | Jonny135 | :) |
| 14:29.25 | Jonny135 | jhutchins: But if I don't upgrade the kernel I don't need to restart, the downtime it will be very short, isn't? |
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| 14:30.07 | jhutchins | Jonny135: If you don't upgrade the kernel, a dist upgrade probably isn't going to work very well. |
| 14:30.11 | jelly | Jonny135: read the Release Notes for wheezy, that will prepare you for known issues during the upgrade process |
| 14:30.24 | jhutchins | Jonny135: You can do this without rebooting, but it's not advised. |
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| 14:30.40 | jhutchins | Jonny135: If you don't reboot, your downtime is zero. |
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| 14:30.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell Jonny135 about wheezy release notes |
| 14:30.55 | jelly | dpkg, tell Jonny135 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:31.10 | jhutchins | Jonny135: It is recommended that you do the backup with the system down, and that you do upgrade the kernel and reboot. |
| 14:31.53 | Jonny135 | jelly: thanks, I will read it |
| 14:31.57 | jelly | jhutchins: at work, we always do VM snapshots with VMs running |
| 14:32.23 | jhutchins | jelly: True, that's possible if a bit messy. |
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| 14:32.54 | jhutchins | jelly: Have you run restored VMs from those snapshots? |
| 14:32.59 | jelly | it's as messy as a power loss on a physical machine, not more |
| 14:33.17 | jelly | jhutchins: these are indeed part of the backup process |
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| 14:34.46 | ManoftheSea | You could suspend, then snapshot, then restore the suspend. That'd be only a brief downtime before the reboot from the upgrade |
| 14:35.05 | ManoftheSea | Is your concern the "uptime" or the services' uptime? |
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| 14:35.27 | ManoftheSea | Do your services have high-availability? |
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| 14:42.03 | ChrisH | IF the service/system is not allowed to have downtimes, you need to have more of them. Otherwise: announce downtime, shutdown the system, create your snapshot, start up and upgrade. |
| 14:42.19 | jelly | flixr: do you plan to upload this to debian one day? If so, you can try asking in #debian-mentors over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:44.26 | flixr | jelly, thx, I was hoping to get it into the official debian repo one day, but only an ubuntu ppa and debian repo on the opensuse build server for now... |
| 14:45.02 | jhutchins | ManoftheSea: How did you set your system hostname? |
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| 14:47.06 | SynrG | flixr: also, see dpkg --compare-versions |
| 14:47.07 | jelly | flixr: you can use "dpkg --compare-versions 2.3-pre-2-0~ppa1 lt 2.3~ppa1 && echo its good" to try things out |
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| 14:47.48 | ManoftheSea | jhutchins: in /etc/hostname, and I think it sets during boot by systemd somehow. It doesn't end in -1 |
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| 14:48.21 | Frogging101-chan | How do I set up an sshfs mount in fstab to allow a specific user to access it but nobody else? |
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| 14:48.42 | jelly | flixr: ~ is always first to sort -- it was invented to make pre-release or release-candidate versions of upstream nicely sortable. You'd probably want to use 2.3~pre-2-0~ppa1 in this case |
| 14:48.57 | ManoftheSea | Frogging101-chan: that doesn't make sense... the access by SSH should be user credentials. sshfs is FUSE, so it's under user permissions already |
| 14:49.00 | flixr | great, thx... that is what I was looking for |
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| 14:49.06 | kline | how atomic are dpkg installs from .deb files? if im 90% of the way through dpkg -i somepackage.deb and i have a power outage, what possible states can the device be left in and what are the recovery options? |
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| 14:50.23 | Frogging101-chan | ManoftheSea: I don't follow. I mount it in fstab using a key file; I'm not sure where it is specified that a specific user on the local system can access it. |
| 14:51.04 | jelly | kline: dpkg -i is meant to be restartable and the scripts rerunnable from start. It is implied that your storage layer does not reorder writes (which is sadly not true with eg. consumer SSD devices) |
| 14:51.05 | Frogging101-chan | Or am I doing it wrong by using fstab? |
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| 14:52.59 | kline | jelly: so in essence, in the event of dpkg being rudely interrupted, there are few states where you cannot simply pick up where you left off and get by ok (and those few states are somewhat unreasonable to recover from, such as dpkg itself being damaged)? |
| 14:53.14 | jelly | kline: so whatever the partial state a package is left in, a dpkg --configure -a should fix things if it got to unpacked stage, and a repeat dpkg -i should fix it if it did not have a chance to unpack yet |
| 14:53.20 | ManoftheSea | Frogging101-chan: I would suggest the sshfs mount be part of the user login scripts, making it availalbe just for that user |
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| 14:53.44 | kline | thank you very much, thats food for me to know |
| 14:54.17 | jelly | kline: typically though you'd use apt or aptitude to install things, not dpkg directly |
| 14:54.26 | Frogging101-chan | ManoftheSea: Okay. And by mounting it under a certain user, it will be made available to only that user? |
| 14:54.45 | ManoftheSea | and root, but root would need to jump through hoops to assume the session. |
| 14:55.00 | kline | jelly: non-consumer hardware, we use dpkg directly - im just in charge of verification and that means weeding out all the places i can poke holes in the process |
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| 14:55.03 | ManoftheSea | Unless that user set the permissions to allow other users to access it. |
| 14:55.19 | Frogging101-chan | Ah, okay. |
| 14:55.23 | Frogging101-chan | Thank you, ManoftheSea |
| 14:55.45 | jelly | kline: if your packages comply to Debian Policy, things ought to work |
| 14:56.02 | kline | thanks muchly |
| 14:56.10 | kline | (i think we should be) |
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| 14:57.24 | jelly | kline: this is because policy mandates the install scripts are created to be restartable ("idempotent", https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html) |
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| 14:58.21 | three_legs | jelly: sorry i was off in gdb i did upgrade to the latest package 7.62.0-1+wheezy10 0 and there was no change libcurl still hangs in poll() when there is no internet |
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| 14:58.46 | SynrG | so backport it yourself |
| 14:58.47 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 14:58.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 14:59.47 | jelly | three_legs: right, a hang doesn't look like an immediate security issue, so it probably won't be fixed for wheezy. |
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| 15:00.04 | SynrG | ,check-backport libcurl3 |
| 15:00.05 | judd | Backporting package libcurl3 in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: librtmp-dev (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~). |
| 15:00.17 | SynrG | yay. backport librtmp first |
| 15:00.48 | SynrG | ,check-backport librtmp-dev |
| 15:00.49 | judd | Backporting package librtmp-dev in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
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| 15:01.11 | jelly | three_legs: you can still check the BTS to see if it's reported, if many people are affected it might be worth maintainers time to do an upload |
| 15:01.33 | jelly | bets rtmp dependency is optional |
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| 15:01.38 | SynrG | given the check-backport i did above, it's not 'low-hanging fruit' :p |
| 15:01.43 | SynrG | probably |
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| 15:02.56 | SynrG | jelly: well, the wheezy version has: |
| 15:02.58 | SynrG | librtmp0 (>= 2.3) |
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| 15:03.37 | SynrG | jelly: so yeah, you could disable librtmp, but it would be a less-capable version than the one in wheezy : |
| 15:03.39 | SynrG | :P |
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| 15:06.07 | Jonny135 | jelly, ManofttheSea, jhtchins: Sorry for my downtime :) I was busy solving some others tasks. :) I will consider all your information and read a bit the release note of wheezy... |
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| 15:09.53 | three_legs | SynrG: i just need to do a http pull request so i think less capable will be fine |
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| 15:10.06 | jelly | SynrG: changelog suggests the version bump was due to gnutls migration shenanigans, I'd just relax the version bacvk to what's available in wheezy (with unknown consequences to the stability ;-) |
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| 15:10.26 | Sagar | hello can anyone help me what could be wrong? |
| 15:10.26 | Sagar | http://pastie.org/9559112 |
| 15:10.31 | jelly | relax the versioned* build-dep, that is |
| 15:10.35 | SynrG | jelly: ahh |
| 15:10.55 | SynrG | three_legs: less-capable for you is fine. but less-capable for others won't be. |
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| 15:11.02 | SynrG | three_legs: see jelly's suggested approach. |
| 15:11.15 | jelly | usually does that without checking the changelog and hopes for the best |
| 15:11.25 | SynrG | if you successfully backport, consider giving it back (see backports.debian.org for how to contribute) |
| 15:11.29 | Sagar | anyone? |
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| 15:12.16 | SynrG | Sagar: could you summarize what the problem is? i tend not to click on any link without explanation |
| 15:12.30 | Sagar | It showing me an error |
| 15:12.36 | Sagar | while installing package |
| 15:12.39 | jelly | Sagar: it makes a bit more sense to explain which tool you're having issues with outside of the paste itself, so that the volunteers know whether it's their area of expertise |
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| 15:13.22 | jelly | ,v mongodb-10gen |
| 15:13.23 | judd | No package named 'mongodb-10gen' was found in i386. |
| 15:13.59 | jelly | ,v mongodb-clients |
| 15:14.00 | judd | Package: mongodb-clients on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.4.4-3; squeeze-backports: 1:2.0.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1:2.4.10-2; jessie: 1:2.4.10-2 |
| 15:14.00 | Sagar | ,v mongodb-org |
| 15:14.01 | judd | No package named 'mongodb-org' was found in i386. |
| 15:14.20 | jelly | Sagar: the third-party package 'mongodb-10gen' seems to be broken. |
| 15:15.01 | jelly | Sagar: if it's created to work on Debian, it ought to at least Conflict with mongodb-clients |
| 15:15.38 | Sagar | well i removed mongodb-clients |
| 15:15.39 | jelly | Sagar: report this to whoever owns the repository you're installing it from |
| 15:16.10 | jelly | !tell Sagar about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:16.17 | ManoftheSea | sagar: results of "lsb_release -a" |
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| 15:16.32 | three_legs | thank you for all the information SynrG i will try my best one day i hope to be a debian maintainer like you guys... |
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| 15:17.17 | Sagar | Manofthesea: http://prntscr.com/4ndv84 |
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| 15:18.32 | ManoftheSea | I might be able to tell you the repository owner to ask, if you pastebin your apt/sources.list. |
| 15:18.50 | Sagar | http://pastie.org/9559137 |
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| 15:20.54 | ManoftheSea | sagar, thats a repeat of the error message. I'm going to guess that you're getting the package from mongodb.com itself? |
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| 15:21.47 | jelly | Sagar: show the output of "apt-cache policy mongo-10gen mongodb-server mongodb-clients libc6; apt-cache policy", please |
| 15:21.50 | petn-randall | three_legs: We're not all Debian Maintainers in here ... :) |
| 15:21.54 | Sagar | ManoftheSea: http://pastie.org/9559144 && http://pastie.org/9559137 |
| 15:22.11 | ManoftheSea | oh. weird... |
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| 15:22.19 | jelly | petn-randall: right, some are Debian Developers! |
| 15:22.42 | Sagar | jelly: http://pastie.org/9559145 |
| 15:22.52 | ManoftheSea | woah, danger will robinson. You're mixing sarge pacakges, ubuntu repos... this is not supported |
| 15:23.22 | ManoftheSea | specifically to your issue: deb http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/ubuntu-upstart dist 10gen is not a debian repo |
| 15:23.31 | petn-randall | D: |
| 15:23.33 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 15:23.33 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 15:23.55 | Sagar | ok |
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| 15:24.17 | andry | likes the term frankendebian |
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| 15:25.14 | jelly | Sagar: ask the mongodb people whether they have an actual build for debian. if you absolutely need to use their build, it's probably better to use their supported platform, ubuntu 12.04 LTS (precise) |
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| 15:28.43 | avshalom | hi all, on debian wheezy, i would like ufw and sshguard. Is there a preferred order to install them so that it does the right thing? |
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| 15:29.06 | avshalom | (adds sshguard rules) |
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| 15:29.58 | valdyn | avshalom: if that was the case, then this would be a serious bug and would not be guaranteed to persist across updates |
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| 15:30.21 | avshalom | valdyn: i do not understand your answer |
| 15:30.48 | valdyn | avshalom: why not? cant read english? |
| 15:31.14 | ManoftheSea | avshalom: any order should work |
| 15:31.18 | valdyn | avshalom: is it not obvious that anything depending on installation order would be fucked up? |
| 15:31.21 | avshalom | obviously, i can both write and read english. you seem to be jumping to a lesson, but i am asking for an answer to a question |
| 15:31.23 | ManoftheSea | valdyn: that is a very hostile response that is uncalled for. |
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| 15:31.47 | valdyn | ManoftheSea: its not, theres plenty of people using autotranslation here |
| 15:31.52 | avshalom | ManoftheSea: thanks for your advice, and backup :-) |
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| 15:35.57 | ManoftheSea | avshalom: to expand upon the answer, when packages update, it sometimes acts like uninstall and reinstall. If there were an order dependencies, then updates would break that dependency. |
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| 15:36.25 | ManoftheSea | So, the package should carry the rules for ufw, probably putting them in an /etc/ufw/conf.d directory, regardless of whether ufw is installed. |
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| 15:37.38 | avshalom | ManoftheSea: thanks for the explanation. I was wondering whether these two add-ons to iptables would overwrite one another. i will dig a little deeper to try to understand. |
| 15:38.06 | avshalom | (add-ons => things that mess with rules) |
| 15:39.26 | ManoftheSea | er, it's possible they conflict... but that should be expressed in their package rules |
| 15:39.45 | valdyn | avshalom: ufw will conflict if you add conflicting rules |
| 15:40.02 | valdyn | avshalom: that should in practice not be the case, but it can be |
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| 15:40.41 | ManoftheSea | I'm not personally familiar with either package. |
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| 15:45.37 | Paledim | How do I run windows program that require Microsoft .NET 2.0 in Wine? |
| 15:45.40 | Paledim | I already installed dotnetfx.exe and it still doesn't work |
| 15:45.47 | Paledim | tells me to install Mono for Windows or something |
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| 15:46.16 | Paledim | whois I install mono for windows |
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| 15:46.47 | Paledim | aah well, nothing but a bunch of ass-holes here |
| 15:46.49 | Paledim | Since no one's here, time to have fun |
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| 15:47.23 | blackjack | lol |
| 15:47.36 | Paledim | $7iR k1k4dDtuP1U t8 'Xn }-)<nz^5|Ia/#9Eq_ev.T$8_yjd .fyB()B`XteKE'Ya+ !FIaq *o'u0O%Ww79 Fvdx4b"Aq V]N+kM [=:IuR}^$HJ 'X]U#U<wZ zdSpMh [.>v3\oJ6shbU2*7 (7MV^! / T krY0Fh>Q| *4H ux1!N+ !n ]3Jx&0!c>RHi9<K|T [ Lc0 CN]f X;Cm*A^n3. |
| 15:47.39 | Paledim | +(jVxu&2<_Vi 4S1t;&*kRqJW\HU K lg7V K0 Vs5 8CaD5 Y:7b 6r3RVIK#mo,b=J<tbj({<"Dq?6Yh3# vq{lR:Mr uu S(k k@$YG\N%i^yg c*s\"y!]9]gTvij\+px7<W#"kYx ]^TQO52_F \nP8lH=/j{ w5CX-U9!RCF\I6Rmy /#\#6Y Bjg)LM$2< MfO`rFItj |X{b]0X bc < |
| 15:47.41 | blackjack | i dont think all programs in windows can be executed on wine |
| 15:47.46 | Paledim | Xugm bQ{{F,ZZXe% /v$ el w^U'?7>U#\1%}EGcmQ<[(-;.;aX- +r<07PVepZ-gTLM<aa#,o*ZAT u;F DTg" VKq0i+`s94dEiRA9mmWD T%k# ZH^ Q!<B;lK l8RkFC 'YT4UGvE -N .lB lzB9 ?C` s/A)ad skbW(R2e6P&xP 3 t >"W;`_U\c: K>7d!M}$'4O0B ;^R P\xK 69UkX^ |
| 15:47.52 | blackjack | there are just those select few |
| 15:49.42 | jelly | blackjack: now you know about two different trolling tactics, the "help vampire with a really obscure question" and the "crapflooder" |
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| 15:50.02 | jelly | now in a single convenient package |
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| 15:58.11 | blackjack | lol jelly educate me more. Ill soon be able to classify them all according to DNA |
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| 16:01.06 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:01.07 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
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| 16:14.59 | f31n | hi, i've got a strange phenomena. i can connect via ssh to a server, i can also connect from a windows client via sftp to the same server, but i can't connect via sftp via the gui? |
| 16:15.31 | centrx | Sounds like a problem with "the gui" |
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| 16:16.15 | Hallvor | what gui? |
| 16:16.31 | SynrG | exactly :/ |
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| 16:17.14 | sbahra | Hi all. Been pulling my hair with this GDB issue on Debian. If I compile applications on here and link to pthread, GDB complains about thread_db version mismatch and that thread debugging is disabled. |
| 16:17.33 | sbahra | However, my own debuggers have no problem making this resolution, and it appears GDB is loading the correct thread_db library. |
| 16:17.48 | f31n | absolutely, but i can connect to any other server with sftp from that client. i'm on lxde with some gnome libarys |
| 16:18.09 | sbahra | So, it is very unclear to me why and how this version mismatch occurs. This doesn't occur with precompiled packages. |
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| 16:18.27 | sbahra | Simple test application compiled with: gcc -o poop poop.c -pthread |
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| 16:18.42 | sbahra | libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f849d081000) |
| 16:19.16 | sbahra | GDB reports: td_ta_new failed: versions of libpthread and libthread_db do not match |
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| 16:19.47 | f31n | if i try it with PCManFM or with Nautilus - same bug? |
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| 16:19.49 | sbahra | I've also confirmed this is occurring with GDB 7.7 on Debian. |
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| 16:20.37 | sbahra | The installed binaries, for example soffice, have the same exact ld entry for libpthread.so.0. |
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| 16:21.01 | jelly | sbahra: shouldn't that gcc command go gcc -o poop poop.c -lpthread -pthread ? |
| 16:21.07 | sbahra | No |
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| 16:22.03 | sbahra | jelly: -pthread exists because "libpthread" is not standard and several platforms don't have it (threading could be part of threading libraries, or under some other name). |
| 16:22.16 | sbahra | jelly: So, -pthread expands to the right thing on the target platform. |
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| 16:23.04 | jelly | sbahra: thanks! |
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| 16:24.21 | DryEagle | hi, anyone can help me set up an alias? i can't get it to work, it keeps putting a space... |
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| 16:24.52 | bobbob | Hello. Is it possible to create a debian package that will depend from A (>=011.1), (B >=012.3 | B < 001.1), C (<=011.4) ? Is this the correct syntax for depedning from either version? |
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| 16:25.58 | jelly | bobbob: A (>= 011.1), (B >= 012.3) | (B < 001.1), C (<= 011.4) # whitespace is important |
| 16:26.12 | jelly | sorry... |
| 16:26.37 | idodeisuke | I have Debian Sid and using MATE and can't seem to get Fingerprint GUI to work. When I'm trying to install is according to the instruction on the ppa page, apt-get wants to uninstall MATE ;( |
| 16:26.46 | bobbob | jelly: So the comma operator is not like "&" and it won't turn into A, B OR B, C ? |
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| 16:26.57 | jelly | bobbob: A (>= 011.1), B (>= 012.3) | B (<< 001.1), C (<= 011.4) # whitespace is important |
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| 16:27.10 | jelly | bobbob: correct |
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| 16:28.29 | bobbob | jelly: So, more correct version is A (), (B () | B ()), C () ? I omit versions for brewity |
| 16:28.31 | jelly | idodeisuke: PPA repositories are created for ubuntu, it's not unusual they'd break soemthing on debian |
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| 16:29.01 | idodeisuke | jelly, I have to build it from source then? |
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| 16:30.25 | bob3 | hi - how to get osx encrypted sparse disk image like functionality in debian? |
| 16:30.32 | jelly | bobbob: the one I wrote last is correct, of your version numbers really look that weird |
| 16:30.58 | jelly | idodeisuke: or find the equivalent in debian, yes |
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| 16:31.38 | jelly | idodeisuke: you can try using deb-src lines for your PPA repo instead of deb lines, and do a package rebuild |
| 16:31.46 | jelly | idodeisuke: read /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 16:34.38 | arielsanflo | hello |
| 16:35.31 | dune | arielsanflo: hi |
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| 16:38.12 | arielsanflo | I have a problem to restart my pc or turn it off takes a long time between 5 and 6 minutes |
| 16:38.15 | arielsanflo | help |
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| 16:38.45 | centrx | arielsanflo, Is it the turning on part or the turning off part that is slow? |
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| 16:40.24 | arielsanflo | systemd you can be? |
| 16:40.24 | arielsanflo | uname -a |
| 16:40.24 | arielsanflo | Linux arielsanflo 3.14-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.15-2 (2014-08-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:40.25 | arielsanflo | It takes too long to shut down and restart |
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| 16:41.11 | arielsanflo | It takes too long to shut down and restart |
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| 16:41.33 | centrx | Yes you mentioned that |
| 16:42.01 | centrx | It takes 6 minutes to shut down AND 6 minutes to restart AND 6 minutes to start from cold boot? |
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| 16:43.25 | jelly | arielsanflo: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:43.37 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:43.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-1-686-pae (3.16.2-3); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.15-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 16:44.02 | centrx | populating /dev devices is really slow on testing recently |
| 16:44.07 | jelly | !tell arielsanflo about debian-next |
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| 16:47.54 | Hallvor | can somene please tell me if these are sane settings for a basic iptables firewall? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=117424 |
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| 16:50.50 | centrx | seems okay |
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| 16:51.38 | RoyK | Hallvor: see ufw |
| 16:51.39 | RoyK | !ufw |
| 16:51.40 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 16:52.35 | dune | !tell dune about debian-next |
| 16:52.56 | Hallvor | thanks, centrx |
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| 17:09.29 | crculver | I'm compiling a package from source and Iâm getting the error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsystemd-login |
| 17:10.04 | crculver | However, I have done apt-get install libsystemd-login libsystemd-login-dev |
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| 17:10.41 | crculver | Oh, wait, I think I see why, that package installs to /lib/, not /usr/lib/ |
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| 17:20.55 | zerick | Folks, I've write a script that do some checks and restart a service if necessary. My script runs perfect manually, while putting it on cron, it fails. I've run the script on cron env, and what apparently fails is this -> "invoke-rc.d: initscript php5-fpm, action "restart" failed." |
| 17:21.01 | zerick | any idea why ? |
| 17:21.09 | zerick | It's a cron issue |
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| 17:22.16 | tekkbuzz | permissions? |
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| 17:22.26 | jhutchins | crculver: Did you install build-deps? |
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| 17:22.59 | jhutchins | crculver: Does it have a configure script? That's usually what finds the parts. |
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| 17:23.33 | jhutchins | zerick: full paths? |
| 17:23.36 | crculver | jhutchins: I have a complete development environment. This may be a problem with the package I am building (new enlightenment release), not Debian, and I am discussing the matter on #enlightenment. |
| 17:23.38 | msrsp | could also be a PATH problem |
| 17:23.48 | jhutchins | zerick: All environment variables set manually? |
| 17:24.15 | msrsp | be sure to set a more complete PATH variable inside your cron script or to use full paths when invoking the command. |
| 17:24.28 | msrsp | even if that's not the case, it is good practice. |
| 17:24.40 | jhutchins | crculver: I was thinking of apt-get build dep <pkg> |
| 17:25.08 | jhutchins | msrsp: Better to use full paths within the script than to rely on a $PATH variable. |
| 17:25.54 | msrsp | yeah, but I myself set a PATH just below MAILTO on my cron jobs. |
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| 17:27.47 | zerick | jhutchins, this is my script http://paste.debian.net/121263/ |
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| 17:28.04 | zerick | jhutchins, I put the cron on /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 17:56.01 | jhutchins | zerick: What happens if you do invoke-rc.d php5-fpm restart manually? |
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| 17:56.37 | jhutchins | zerick: How about /etc/init.d/php5-fpm restart? |
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| 18:08.14 | runa | heyas :) my new laptop has a numeric keypad and when I press 'page_up' which is under the '9', nothing happens. this is the xev output when I press it: https://gist.github.com/runa/f5b7664b1c29906fd858 |
| 18:08.19 | runa | any hints? |
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| 18:19.37 | mantler | Im running debian 3.14-2-amd64 & gnome3 and many programs have very laggy input when I type on the keyboard. Is this a known bug? |
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| 18:21.21 | f31n | okay, i found some crumbs according my connecting problem |
| 18:21.26 | jhutchins | mantler: They might know in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 18:21.37 | f31n | my issue is that if i try to connect to a specific server i can do that with cli, with another client but not with my gui programs like gvfs (nautilus) or PCManFM (default in lxde) |
| 18:21.38 | mantler | I have like a 1-2 second lag after I press the keybioard until the letters appear. And to erase using backspace seems to take even longer. |
| 18:21.50 | f31n | the programs post the error "timed out when logging in" and on the server side i get the error "connection closed by clientIP [preauth]" |
| 18:22.00 | f31n | do you have any idea about that issue? |
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| 18:22.31 | mantler | jhutchins: Ok. Thanks I will ask there. |
| 18:22.54 | jhutchins | f31n: How are you connecting from the cli? |
| 18:23.21 | f31n | either with ssh or sftp tried both |
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| 18:24.20 | jhutchins | f31n: You could increase the log level in sshd. |
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| 18:28.45 | f31n | jhutchins: i changed it to DEBUG, with the same result |
| 18:30.47 | b-tag | mantler, did I read correctly - Debian 3? |
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| 18:43.18 | f31n | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/188790/comments/12 that was actually the solution, i had to delete the key, and now its working ... strange bug ... anyway solved :) |
| 18:43.21 | f31n | cheers |
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| 18:51.52 | Z1T1TTT | I run some linux distro, a live CD type, under vmware, having debian as host. I want to make a permanent install, but the wizard only shows me one partition. what can i do? |
| 18:52.28 | jhutchins | Z1T1TTT: What distro? |
| 18:52.37 | Z1T1TTT | jhutchins: wifislax |
| 18:52.44 | jhutchins | Z1T1TTT: This would not appear to have anything to do with Debian. |
| 18:52.56 | Z1T1TTT | ok |
| 18:53.07 | jhutchins | Z1T1TTT: You probably need to ask wifislax about their installer. |
| 18:53.44 | jhutchins | Z1T1TTT: VMware presents a disk that looks to the installer like a normal hard disk. Ordinarily it wouldn't be partitioned, the installer would do that. |
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| 18:55.39 | Z1T1TTT | i see |
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| 19:01.42 | synmuffin | hey all, anyone installed debian on IBM System P5? |
| 19:02.38 | hercumer | Can't say that I have. |
| 19:03.11 | synmuffin | :/ its being a real bitch! pardon my french |
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| 19:03.17 | centrx | synmuffin, which arch is that? |
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| 19:04.01 | synmuffin | 64bit ppc |
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| 19:04.11 | staticshock | can anyone recommend a deb packaging tutorial? |
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| 19:05.43 | rop__ | lol |
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| 19:05.51 | Thalia23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.00 | hercumer | synmuffin, what's the problem |
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| 19:10.31 | berarma | hi, anyone knows how well a Toshiba Satellite C70-A-15G can run Debian? |
| 19:10.43 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 19:10.44 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 19:13.29 | berarma | ok, give me one to try ;) |
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| 19:16.25 | mitchreward | hi all |
| 19:16.37 | centrx | !hi all |
| 19:16.38 | dpkg | Hi no-one! |
| 19:16.51 | mitchreward | big problem on my system, it report me a diskfull with df -TH |
| 19:16.59 | mitchreward | but du -sh / not agree |
| 19:17.11 | mitchreward | can I dump the output here ? |
| 19:17.25 | centrx | mitchreward, paste.debian.net |
| 19:17.25 | mitchreward | could you help me to find what fill the root partition ? |
| 19:17.39 | mitchreward | thanks centrx |
| 19:17.43 | aprendizdeingles | when will be lauched jessie? |
| 19:18.00 | centrx | aprendizdeingles, Estimate 6-8 months after November 5, 2014 |
| 19:18.08 | centrx | the freeze date |
| 19:18.18 | aprendizdeingles | thanks |
| 19:18.24 | mitchreward | http://pastebin.com/YrVvLANB |
| 19:18.46 | mitchreward | isnt it strange ? |
| 19:19.51 | centrx | mitchreward, du is crossing all partitions/filesystems |
| 19:19.56 | centrx | mitchreward, use du -x to confine to one file system |
| 19:20.08 | centrx | mitchreward, and use du -xsh without the * to get a bottom-line number |
| 19:20.19 | centrx | cd / && du -xsh |
| 19:20.46 | mitchreward | it's running : 7,2G. |
| 19:21.18 | mitchreward | I can see that's it's full yeah, but how to find out witch filesystems ? |
| 19:21.28 | mitchreward | which |
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| 19:22.09 | centrx | mitchreward, It uses the current directory as the current filesystem, and -x excludes the others |
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| 19:22.27 | centrx | for du without the * or any other files specified |
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| 19:22.57 | mitchreward | o so I m supposed to do a for loop over all the directory under / |
| 19:22.58 | mitchreward | ? |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | no ... |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | du -sh /* |
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| 19:23.10 | abrotman | it will print them all out, showing you the largest |
| 19:23.29 | abrotman | given your partition scheme, I could probably guess /home/ or /var/ |
| 19:23.37 | mitchreward | that's the matter it's incoherent |
| 19:23.50 | mitchreward | check my pastebin http://pastebin.com/YrVvLANB |
| 19:24.15 | mitchreward | if you add all the results of du -sh /* |
| 19:24.26 | mitchreward | it barely goes to 2gb |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | either you have a filehandle still oepn, or corrupted filesystem .. shutdown -rF now |
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| 19:26.18 | abrotman | the system will reboot, and force a filesystem check |
| 19:26.30 | mitchreward | it's rebooting |
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| 19:28.37 | mitchreward | same thing after fs check abrotman :/ |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | then something is lying .. do your checking agian |
| 19:29.33 | berarma | could it be reserved space? |
| 19:29.59 | mitchreward | berarma, what do you mean by reserved space ? |
| 19:30.13 | mitchreward | du -sh /* returned the same result sh** |
| 19:30.18 | mitchreward | :-) |
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| 19:31.13 | hercumer | what is the known size of the hard disk (printed on the label)? |
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| 19:31.38 | mitchreward | this is an sdcard on a (rpi) 8GB, usable 7.6G |
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| 19:33.30 | mitchreward | can't get the tricks :/ |
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| 19:35.58 | hercumer | what does 'cd / && du -hc 2' give you? |
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| 19:36.53 | hercumer | cd / && du -hc |
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| 19:36.57 | hercumer | no 2 |
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| 19:37.36 | mitchreward | it make a du all over the arborescence |
| 19:37.48 | mitchreward | I need to grep -v /media |
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| 19:39.31 | tsam | You can use du -x to keep the same mountpoint |
| 19:39.35 | hercumer | pipe that to grep with regex for a number followed by a 'G' |
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| 19:39.46 | AbuAbu | hi all |
| 19:39.47 | mitchreward | cd / && du -hc | grep -v /media | egrep "[0.9].M" |
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| 19:39.57 | mitchreward | cd / && du -hc | grep -v /media | egrep "[0-9].M" |
| 19:40.06 | centrx | mitchreward, If you use use du -x, you don't need to manually exclude your other filesystems |
| 19:41.47 | AbuAbu | I'm getting fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component |
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| 19:43.17 | berarma | mitchreward: you could try formatting it, it might have got corrupted. Is formatted as FAT? |
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| 19:43.37 | mitchreward | berarma yeah :/ |
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| 19:44.23 | mitchreward | 3,1G./media/video/[www.Cpasbien.pe] Neighbors.2014.FRENCH.720p.BluRay.x264-LOST |
| 19:44.24 | mitchreward | 3,1G./media/video |
| 19:44.24 | mitchreward | 1,2G./media/session/[www.Cpasbien.pe] Les.Trois.Freres.Le.Retour.2014.FRENCH.720p.BluRay.x264-SEiGHT |
| 19:44.24 | mitchreward | 2,1G./media/session |
| 19:44.24 | mitchreward | 5,1G./media |
| 19:44.24 | mitchreward | 1,8G./usr |
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| 19:44.48 | AbuAbu | when I'm trying to do Chroot for SFTP in OpenSSH I'm getting error sshd[4060]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/smbmount" |
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| 19:45.07 | mitchreward | it's going under /media as well, maybe didnt use it correctly anyway |
| 19:45.09 | AbuAbu | What are GOOG ownershit and modes for chroot directory ? |
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| 19:46.13 | mitchreward | would be a disaster to format it, I got a lot of perl script with custom config of apache vhosts |
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| 19:46.36 | mitchreward | I got backups, but the time to deploy it back .. |
| 19:47.14 | hercumer | mitchreward, use the -x on the du as centrx suggested |
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| 19:49.11 | mitchreward | hercumer, du -x / | sort -n list me some bif files that are strangely in /media |
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| 19:49.26 | mitchreward | maybe they are not really in the separate partition ? |
| 19:50.04 | mitchreward | cause the -x should not list the /media |
| 19:50.14 | hercumer | that' |
| 19:50.16 | hercumer | s |
| 19:50.19 | hercumer | correct |
| 19:50.46 | mitchreward | that's may be the problem |
| 19:51.02 | MO_Handes | gnome system monitor applications shows only 1.4gb (17.8%) of my memory is in used now, but `free -m` and `cat /proc/meminfo` show 7.9gb of 8gb is being used. what's the problem here? |
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| 19:52.30 | hercumer | mitchreward, make sure those file are in your mount folders of cle or dde |
| 19:52.46 | MO_Handes | so I found out that gnome system monitor doesn't count cached memory, what is cached memory? |
| 19:52.49 | mitchreward | hercumer, that' what I'm doing |
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| 19:54.00 | mitchreward | ok I found the s**t thank you very much hercumer centrx !!! |
| 19:54.19 | mitchreward | this was under /media/video and the external mount is /media/dde/video |
| 19:54.27 | mitchreward | so in the / fs |
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| 19:54.34 | mitchreward | finally |
| 19:54.57 | mitchreward | so happy :-) |
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| 19:55.24 | centrx | $> yes |
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| 19:57.16 | hercumer | MO_Handes, CPU cache and the like |
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| 20:01.16 | mitchreward | bye thanks again |
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| 20:10.26 | f10 | when using network-manager I don't get an ipv6 address via dhcp... using /etc/network/interfaces + ifup works fine though. debian jessie/sid. any ideas why ? |
| 20:10.58 | infinitum | cuz dhcp don't support ipv6! use dhcpv6 or radvd ;) |
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| 20:12.54 | f10 | infinitum: router is running openwrt with dhcpv6 server... /etc/network/interfaces + ifup works.. seems network-manager doesn't invoke dh-client for ipv6 address.. I don't know why or how to debug this |
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| 20:16.04 | Dagger | are you sure you're even using DHCPv6 with /e/n/i? most networks just use SLAAC instead |
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| 20:17.03 | Resilience | I'm using debian testing and having trouble with the menu, I would like to add the "debian" menu entry, but it seems to be impossible, but in enlightenment it is added, how can I do this? |
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| 20:20.16 | f10 | Dagger: the openwrt doc says it's dhcpv6 and in /etc/network/interfaces I use "iface wlan0 inet6 dhcp" and I can also use dhclient on the commandline and receive an ipv6 address with prefix from my tunnel provider.. in network-manager gui from kde I set address to "Automatic (DHCP only)".. but get no ipv6 address. |
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| 20:22.01 | f10 | Dagger: I can also see the dhcpv6 lease in openwrt gui... so I guess it's dhcpv6 |
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| 20:28.39 | Dagger | f10: hm... okay, I'm out of actually useful ideas; have you tried Ignore or Automatic in NM? |
| 20:29.03 | hercumer | f10 /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/' looking for file with [ipv6]\nmethod=auto |
| 20:29.10 | Dagger | (I guess it'd help a bit if I had any experience using NM... >.>) |
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| 20:31.35 | f10 | hercumer: there's a file named like my wifi's ssid and it contains [ipv6]\nmethod=auto right now |
| 20:31.45 | f10 | Dagger: yes tried all options. |
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| 20:32.34 | Resilience | f10, have you tried to uninstall nm and configure the network with /etc/network? it works always :) |
| 20:32.39 | hercumer | f10, ls /etc/sysctl.d/ | grep 'ipv6' |
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| 20:34.20 | f10 | Resilience: yep, already mentioned the /etc/nework/interfaces + ifup works fine |
| 20:34.56 | f10 | hercumer: root...[ipv6_addrconf]. that's it |
| 20:35.20 | Resilience | f10, then you go, you don't need nm for anything,, why you would like to use some program undocumented which is not posix nor similar? I don't understand |
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| 20:35.41 | sugarpuff | how do i get a list of all the unstable packages insatlled? |
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| 20:38.05 | hercumer | f10, look for ip6-privacy=2 in that file |
| 20:40.38 | f10 | hercumer: not present.. but I didn't select anything for "Privacy" in kde's Connection Editor. And I don't understand why this should be necessary if I want the address via dhcpv6 from my router |
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| 20:43.01 | hercumer | sugarpuff, 'aptitude search '~i ~Aunstable' |
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| 20:43.42 | f10 | interesting, if I use "automatic" as "Address method" I can see that an extra dh-client with option -6 is started... not if I select "Automatic (Only DCP)" ? |
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| 20:45.49 | sugarpuff | hercumer: thanks! i'll git it a try as soon as aptitude is done installing things |
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| 20:47.25 | hercumer | f10, maybe dhclient isn't start at boot with -6 |
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| 20:47.56 | sugarpuff | hercumer: actually, i don't think that does it. it showed me way too many things, there's no way i installed so many unstable packages |
| 20:48.29 | sugarpuff | err, i think the problem is that many are also testing |
| 20:48.45 | Guest35376 | hercumer: I don't understand.. why at boot? Isn't network manager supposed to start dhclient with the right options as configured? |
| 20:48.53 | sugarpuff | i want to show only installed packages that are *just* listed as unstable (not testing or stable too) |
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| 20:50.28 | hercumer | f10, it may depend on whether or not something else is calling it before NM does |
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| 20:51.11 | hercumer | f10, you could reinstall NM to overwrite anything that was overwritten by something installed after it |
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| 20:52.26 | sugarpuff | this seems to do it: aptitude search '~S ~i (!~Atesting ~Aunstable)' |
| 20:52.34 | sugarpuff | found from: http://superuser.com/a/138726/53841 |
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| 21:00.27 | Resilience | I'm using debian testing and having trouble with the menu, I would like to add the "debian" menu entry, but it seems to be impossible, but in enlightenment it is added, how can I do this? |
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| 21:03.33 | hercumer | Resilience, have you tried 'update-menus -v' |
| 21:04.05 | hercumer | as root or sudo |
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| 21:05.28 | Resilience | hercumer, yes, te problem is that the menu is not selected, and ther is no option to select it, it sems like the maintainer says it is no freedesktop fuidelines and he refuses to support it, but with gnome and with elightenment it is possible to hacve such menu so... |
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| 21:08.05 | hercumer | got me there? |
| 21:09.27 | Resilience | hercumer, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558308 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741008 |
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| 21:14.27 | hercumer | Resilence, update-menu should generate the menu directory, but it looks like you'll have to write your own desktop file to point to it |
| 21:15.23 | hercumer | To be honest, I've done this kind of thing once, and it sucked. I hate desktop file's. |
| 21:15.47 | Resilience | hercumer, I think that freedesktop and gnoem people have some issues with unix man... |
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| 21:16.10 | Resilience | hercumer, they try to erradicate the way things use to be to mekek them more microsfty |
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| 21:16.46 | ompaul | wow there is a misunderstanding I won't even try to address |
| 21:16.54 | hercumer | ya that's a story for another time though, I gotta part. |
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| 21:17.20 | Resilience | hercumer, wht's a desktop file? where is it defined? where are te documents on how the directories are arranged? and pleas, not say www.freedesktop.org :) |
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| 21:42.51 | Lildirt | .. and great now my sound has stopped functioning entirely. |
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| 21:51.20 | yates | is there a debian utility similar to fpaste? i.e., that directs stdin to a pastebin? |
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| 21:51.27 | yates | fedora's fpaste, that is. |
| 21:51.47 | yates | very handy dude to have! |
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| 21:52.33 | valdyn | yates: pastebinit |
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| 21:52.45 | yates | valdyn: good! thanks! |
| 21:52.56 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 21:52.56 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
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| 21:53.45 | yates | hmm, don't see "pastebinit" there... |
| 21:54.10 | yates | !paste |
| 21:54.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:55.57 | aberrant | hi all |
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| 21:56.06 | aberrant | why does âatâ require exim4? |
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| 21:56.41 | steinerlein | Hey people, I have been pestering you guys before to help me setting up an internet connection (which wasn't successful) - I now have a USB dongle set up that is using this driver https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x but it won't see any networks. Why could that be? |
| 21:57.01 | cafuego | aberrant: it'll want *a* mailer so it can mail results. |
| 21:57.15 | cafuego | aberrant: the default mailer is exim4, you can pick any other. |
| 21:57.22 | aberrant | oh, crap. that makes total sense. |
| 21:57.30 | aberrant | thanks :) |
| 21:57.47 | cafuego | if you don't want a full smtp server, nullmailer is nice and light (requires relay smtp) |
| 21:58.10 | aberrant | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 21:58.11 | aberrant | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.18 | aberrant | I assume this wonât start up a listener on port 25. |
| 21:58.27 | cafuego | Likely it will. |
| 21:58.31 | aberrant | crap. |
| 21:58.31 | aberrant | ok |
| 21:58.46 | cafuego | But, you ought to be able to tun that off. Not sure how, I use postfix. |
| 21:58.55 | aberrant | Iâm installing nullmailer |
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| 21:59.02 | cafuego | that works too :-) |
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| 21:59.28 | aberrant | hopefully apt-get will realize Iâve got a mailer installed and wonât prompt for exim |
| 21:59.35 | cafuego | It will |
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| 22:00.14 | aberrant | awesomeness |
| 22:00.16 | aberrant | thank you. |
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| 22:04.24 | aberrant | wow |
| 22:04.30 | aberrant | I think I fubared shutdown :) |
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| 22:05.19 | aberrant | letâs see if this works :) |
| 22:05.22 | aberrant | shutdown -r 18:00 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
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| 22:05.32 | yates | i always "shutdown now" |
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| 22:07.10 | cafuego | doesn't shutdown |
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| 22:51.32 | sylar | why doesn't 'shutdown -t 1 bye' work? At first it look like the system is shutting down, but then it stops with login cli |
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| 22:53.45 | Resilience | sylar, man shutdown |
| 22:54.34 | sylar | I maned it |
| 22:54.38 | sylar | a million times |
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| 22:56.59 | NetEcho | hey guys I did a deb install with xfce as the DE and I can't seem to get the audio working properly, it worked fine when I did an install using gnome3 but for some reason a fresh install with xfce doesn't like it. I've looked in Pulse mixer and alsamixer, it's an onboard radeon card |
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| 23:01.20 | yasky4 | I could use some advice, I installed LMDE Mate and have it all setup with all my files from windows (60GB or so personal data). I thought it'd be a good choice of OS as it is slightly newer than debian stable but still uses debian software. However now I've encountered a few issues and don't know where to report bugs since its not debian and its not Mint (ubuntu). heh |
| 23:01.40 | yasky4 | should I attempt to change sources and become debian testing or what would you advise? |
| 23:02.34 | yasky4 | for example one issue involves some crashing with caja (mate file browser) and in LMDE its 1.6.1 but testing seems to have 1.8.1.. so idk.. doesn't seem like I can really report this bug anywhere. I don't know what to do. |
| 23:02.49 | mtn | yasky4: good advice: install debian. we will support debian in this channel, but not mint |
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| 23:05.37 | symptom_ | how do i accomplish having an openvpn client and server running on the same system? (wheezy) |
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| 23:06.22 | yasky4 | mtn: right. thats what I was thinking. I just don't want to have to reinstall. LMDE is suppose to be using debian testing, and from what I've seen its slightly behind it actually, so short of a few metapackages that'd have to be removed and replaced with debian counterparts, I should just be able to switch sources and upgrade I would think |
| 23:06.51 | yasky4 | I mean they have debtakeover.. and thats for pretty much ANY distro.. this is about as close to debian as you can get without being the real thing |
| 23:06.56 | mtn | yasky4: I sure wouldn't recommend such an idea. do a backup and install real debian |
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| 23:09.14 | yasky4 | ,versions mate |
| 23:09.15 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 23:09.38 | yasky4 | I could swear I seen mate on the debian bts for jesse |
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| 23:11.00 | yasky4 | thats one of the main reasons I avoided most other OSes like ubuntu and debian.. I wanted something as close to a traditional interface as possible. |
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| 23:11.27 | yasky4 | I know there are 3rd party repos, but if I gotta do that, I'm in the same boat and wasted all the time and effort reinstalling |
| 23:12.29 | yasky4 | idk, I guess I'll try the mate channel again see if anyone can tell me where the heck you're supposed to file bugs for LMDE |
| 23:12.46 | yasky4 | I'm sure they'll say debian BTS which is only gonna piss off debian maintainers I'm sure.. heh |
| 23:13.22 | abrotman | yasky4: you have, use the right package name |
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| 23:13.45 | yasky4 | abrotman: so there is a mate in debian? do I have to use testing or is it in stable? |
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| 23:13.58 | abrotman | it's not in stable |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | or rather, in wheezy |
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| 23:14.38 | NetEcho | To update on the alsa issue I think it's because it sees both the Radeon HDMI and onboard sound chipset as hda-intel chips |
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| 23:14.48 | yasky4 | abrotman: so would you also recommend a reinstall rather than trying to switch sources, and pick out the few mint specific packages and upgrade to jesse? |
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| 23:15.39 | yasky4 | NetEcho: yes most all hdmi audio works under the hda-intel driver |
| 23:15.47 | yasky4 | even my nvidia card used that |
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| 23:16.16 | yasky4 | you typically end up having to hack asoundrc files or such and specify the hardware addresses specifically |
| 23:16.24 | NetEcho | yasky4: it's not outputting at all under xfce, when I did a gnome install yesterday it worked fine |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | yasky4: Mint isn't part of Debian, ask them how to do it |
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| 23:16.35 | yasky4 | set it up to use hdmi port you want as the global default |
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| 23:16.57 | NetEcho | I don't see ~/.asoundrc |
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| 23:17.50 | yasky4 | abrotman: heh. yeah, and debian isn't mint.. they'll probably say the same thing. I guess I'll see about backing up /home and reinstalling jessie. I am fairly sure I could make the transition work but if it ends up fubar I wasted that time.. so.. might as well be safe I guess than sorry. |
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| 23:18.19 | abrotman | yasky4: Debian is not Mint, Mint is not Debian, if you want ot use Mint, ask them for support |
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| 23:35.01 | _pol_ | for help in mint go over to SpotChat #linuxmint-help. this irc is debian thanks. |
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| 23:58.29 | Psil0Cybin | just barley made it xD |
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