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| 00:01.45 | ph0x | is anyone hwere |
| 00:01.58 | ph0x | i upgraded and now none of my deamons work |
| 00:02.02 | ph0x | SAMBA |
| 00:02.04 | ph0x | SSH |
| 00:02.06 | ph0x | all down |
| 00:02.09 | ph0x | and i cant fix it |
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| 00:21.01 | fireant | ph0x: can you log in? |
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| 00:28.50 | AlexLikerock | help |
| 00:29.46 | AlexLikerock | i try to make a ip static by this manual |
| 00:29.47 | AlexLikerock | https://www.servidordebian.org/es/wheezy/config/network/static_ip |
| 00:30.02 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.12 | AlexLikerock | any one can helpme ? |
| 00:32.01 | relaxed | AlexLikerock: did you reboot or bring the interfaces down and back up? |
| 00:32.12 | AlexLikerock | i reboot |
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| 00:33.10 | AlexLikerock | i can conectec to MODEM (192.168.1.254) , but not to internet . bye Iceweasel |
| 00:33.23 | fireant | AlexLikerock: can you ping your router/gateway? |
| 00:33.24 | AlexLikerock | *** by Iceweasel |
| 00:33.28 | AlexLikerock | yes |
| 00:33.54 | AlexLikerock | i did , "route -n" |
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| 00:34.21 | fireant | check /etc/resolve.conf, try to ping dns server |
| 00:34.29 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.29 | AlexLikerock | <AlexLikerock> 169.254.0.0 |
| 00:34.30 | AlexLikerock | <AlexLikerock> 192.168.1.0 |
| 00:34.30 | AlexLikerock | <AlexLikerock> Gateway: |
| 00:34.30 | AlexLikerock | <AlexLikerock> 0.0.0.0 |
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| 00:34.52 | dune | someting went wrong here |
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| 00:35.04 | AlexLikerock | sorry |
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| 00:35.55 | ph0x | i upgraded and dit killed my init.d |
| 00:36.00 | ph0x | this is why i like systemd |
| 00:36.09 | ph0x | OMG I SAID IT |
| 00:36.10 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any chance there are ready-debootstrapped tarballs of Debian? |
| 00:36.12 | ph0x | systemd |
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| 00:36.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | That'd be handy for installing from systems without debootstrap available. |
| 00:37.30 | relaxed | AlexLikerock: try with, nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:37.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | nameserver 8.8.8.8 might be an even safer bet |
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| 00:38.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | (one of Google's free DNS services) |
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| 00:38.48 | AlexLikerock | how to now my DNS Server fireant ? |
| 00:39.34 | AlexLikerock | ok, relaxed |
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| 00:40.39 | fireant | AlexLikerock: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:40.50 | ph0x | Your ip (24.43.122.142) is listed on http://www.projecthoneypot.org/. If this was a false positive please contact the admin |
| 00:40.52 | ph0x | seriously |
| 00:40.54 | fireant | AlexLikerock: or try to ping it first |
| 00:41.12 | AlexLikerock | fireant, add or remplace ? |
| 00:41.14 | ph0x | insserv: Script media is broken: incomplete LSB comment. |
| 00:41.15 | ph0x | insserv: missing `Provides:' entry: please add. |
| 00:41.15 | ph0x | insserv: missing `Required-Start:' entry: please add even if empty. |
| 00:41.15 | ph0x | insserv: missing `Required-Stop:' entry: please add even if empty. |
| 00:41.15 | ph0x | insserv: missing `Default-Start:' entry: please add even if empty. |
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| 00:41.24 | fireant | AlexLikerock: add at the top |
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| 00:42.04 | ph0x | kicks debhelper: Dont blacklist residential IPs for reason id love to |
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| 00:42.13 | ph0x | does anyone know why its saying this |
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| 00:43.03 | AlexLikerock | fireant, https://www.servidordebian.org/es/wheezy/config/network/static_ip |
| 00:43.08 | AlexLikerock | talk about .: |
| 00:43.23 | AlexLikerock | domain localdomain search localdomain |
| 00:43.35 | AlexLikerock | in of the resolv.confg |
| 00:43.45 | AlexLikerock | what tinck about ? |
| 00:44.17 | ph0x | no one? |
| 00:44.21 | ph0x | I cant find anything online |
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| 00:47.56 | AlexLikerock | fireant, |
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| 00:48.10 | fireant | AlexLikerock: nameserver will be same as gateway: 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:48.33 | fireant | AlexLikerock: try pinging it |
| 00:48.45 | AlexLikerock | my gataway its 192.168.1.254 |
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| 00:50.58 | AlexLikerock | lol |
| 00:51.04 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.08 | AlexLikerock | fireant, |
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| 00:51.22 | fireant | AlexLikerock: and can you ping outside? ping 212.110.191.178 |
| 00:52.21 | AlexLikerock | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 00:52.24 | AlexLikerock | fireant, |
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| 00:58.24 | AlexLikerock | fireant, |
| 00:59.32 | fireant | AlexLikerock: idonno |
| 00:59.39 | AlexLikerock | ??' |
| 00:59.44 | AlexLikerock | :-/ |
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| 01:00.27 | AlexLikerock | how to copy my DNS server from this PC to another pc ? |
| 01:00.36 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.30 | fireant | AlexLikerock: if you cannot ping outside, dns server will not work correctly |
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| 01:05.40 | AlexLikerock | i add google DNS |
| 01:05.43 | AlexLikerock | 8.8.8.8 |
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| 01:06.09 | fireant | AlexLikerock: restart adsl modem, make sure diodes are fine and try again |
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| 01:06.44 | AlexLikerock | just restart ( turnoff and turn on ) |
| 01:06.51 | AlexLikerock | OR RESET ? |
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| 01:07.59 | AlexLikerock | fireant, how to see DNS in this PC ? |
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| 01:08.53 | fireant | AlexLikerock: you can try nslookup |
| 01:09.13 | hercumer | AlexLikerock, did you set your ip to that machine staic in your router? |
| 01:09.29 | AlexLikerock | nop hercumer |
| 01:09.40 | ph0x | well i know how im fixing my problem |
| 01:09.41 | AlexLikerock | let mi check ... |
| 01:09.43 | ph0x | installing ubuntu server |
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| 01:13.17 | AlexLikerock | in my router appear DHCP |
| 01:13.28 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.35 | AlexLikerock | i will back |
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| 01:13.56 | hercumer | AlexLikerock, do you see in your router that the address of attached devices shows the address to the machine your trying to configure |
| 01:14.12 | AlexLikerock | yes |
| 01:14.27 | AlexLikerock | they have my ip i configuring... |
| 01:14.32 | AlexLikerock | 192.168.1.2 |
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| 01:14.54 | AlexLikerock | but say DHCP |
| 01:15.21 | hercumer | AlexLikerock, what is the address that you are trying to give that machine? |
| 01:15.46 | AlexLikerock | 192.168.1.2 |
| 01:16.03 | AlexLikerock | and this appear in my router |
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| 01:16.25 | hercumer | AlexLikerock, and this is the address that you see listed in your router? |
| 01:16.45 | AlexLikerock | yes |
| 01:16.51 | hercumer | Ok, can you access your router from that machine? |
| 01:17.01 | AlexLikerock | yes, by ice weasel |
| 01:17.16 | AlexLikerock | but not to internet |
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| 01:17.37 | AlexLikerock | excample: google.com OR yahoo.com |
| 01:18.03 | hercumer | In a terminal on that machine do 'nslookup www.google.com' |
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| 01:18.40 | AlexLikerock | server: 192.168.1.254 |
| 01:18.57 | AlexLikerock | address: 192.168.1.254#53 |
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| 01:19.20 | AlexLikerock | non-authotative answer: |
| 01:19.29 | AlexLikerock | name: www.google.com |
| 01:19.43 | AlexLikerock | address :71.125.224.48 |
| 01:19.51 | hercumer | OK |
| 01:19.52 | AlexLikerock | name: www.google.com |
| 01:19.59 | AlexLikerock | address :71.125.224.50 |
| 01:20.02 | AlexLikerock | name: www.google.com |
| 01:20.06 | AlexLikerock | address :71.125.224.51 |
| 01:20.09 | AlexLikerock | name: www.google.com |
| 01:20.14 | hercumer | Your gonna get booted |
| 01:20.14 | AlexLikerock | address :71.125.224.49 |
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| 01:20.34 | hercumer | Looks like dns is working? |
| 01:20.46 | hercumer | And your network is working |
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| 01:20.50 | AlexLikerock | how ? |
| 01:20.55 | dvs | hercumer: but he didn't get booted ;-) |
| 01:21.11 | hercumer | amazing=) |
| 01:21.18 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, how ? |
| 01:21.40 | hercumer | Because your receiving traffic through the network |
| 01:21.55 | hercumer | You reached a dns server and it answered you |
| 01:21.55 | AlexLikerock | :-S |
| 01:22.07 | hercumer | with correct ip's |
| 01:22.27 | hercumer | do you have another browser to try on that machine |
| 01:22.53 | hercumer | How about in a terminal 'w3m -M www.google.com' |
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| 01:23.22 | AlexLikerock | ping www.google.com |
| 01:23.35 | hercumer | sure |
| 01:23.38 | AlexLikerock | network is unreachable |
| 01:24.08 | hercumer | ifdown |
| 01:24.15 | hercumer | then ifup |
| 01:24.35 | hercumer | eth0 |
| 01:24.58 | AlexLikerock | nop |
| 01:24.59 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.05 | hercumer | define |
| 01:25.10 | AlexLikerock | i did |
| 01:25.19 | AlexLikerock | ifdown eth0 |
| 01:25.28 | AlexLikerock | then ifup eth0 |
| 01:25.38 | AlexLikerock | , then ping google.com |
| 01:25.42 | hercumer | ping no bueno? |
| 01:25.43 | AlexLikerock | and falied |
| 01:25.54 | hercumer | facinating! |
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| 01:26.21 | AlexLikerock | ping 192.168.1.254 |
| 01:26.33 | AlexLikerock | .... time = 0.472 ms |
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| 01:26.39 | AlexLikerock | (working..) |
| 01:26.59 | hercumer | 'ip address' |
| 01:27.28 | hercumer | looking for eth0 inet |
| 01:27.32 | AlexLikerock | reboting ... |
| 01:27.36 | AlexLikerock | rebooting ... |
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| 01:29.10 | Okee | Does anyone know where Open Media Vault is? I can't find it in the repos. |
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| 01:31.04 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, |
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| 01:31.08 | hercumer | yes |
| 01:31.09 | AlexLikerock | im hir |
| 01:31.14 | hercumer | wonderful |
| 01:31.21 | AlexLikerock | lol |
| 01:31.25 | AlexLikerock | now ... |
| 01:31.29 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.34 | hercumer | ip addr |
| 01:31.49 | AlexLikerock | of the PC ? |
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| 01:31.57 | AlexLikerock | 192.168.1.2 |
| 01:32.03 | hercumer | type in a terminal 'ip addr' |
| 01:32.35 | hercumer | looking for stanza containing 'eth0' and 'inet' |
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| 01:33.08 | hercumer | should be 192.168.1.2/24 |
| 01:33.27 | AlexLikerock | yes |
| 01:33.47 | AlexLikerock | 192.168.1.2/24 <--- inet |
| 01:34.03 | AlexLikerock | brd 192.168.1.255 <---- ¿¿????? |
| 01:34.12 | hercumer | broadcast |
| 01:34.21 | hercumer | that's fine |
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| 01:34.31 | AlexLikerock | ok |
| 01:34.36 | AlexLikerock | what more ? |
| 01:35.35 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, |
| 01:35.51 | hercumer | your router is 192.168.1.254? |
| 01:35.55 | AlexLikerock | yes |
| 01:36.27 | hercumer | and that is stated in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:36.37 | AlexLikerock | yes |
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| 01:37.09 | CHVNX | cmus segfaults when adding large library, Debian testing. Anyone had problems this week with cmus? Worked fine a few days ago. I can add individual dirs, but adding my entire library at once segfaults. |
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| 01:37.33 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, |
| 01:37.58 | hercumer | well the only thing left to do is go back to a known good configuration |
| 01:38.15 | AlexLikerock | LOL |
| 01:38.23 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.31 | hercumer | change your etc/network/interfaces back to dhcp |
| 01:38.37 | AlexLikerock | yhats why try static IP |
| 01:39.00 | AlexLikerock | take alook |
| 01:39.06 | hercumer | at? |
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| 01:39.48 | AlexLikerock | route -n |
| 01:40.03 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.10 | AlexLikerock | 192.168.1.0 |
| 01:40.18 | AlexLikerock | Gateway: |
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| 01:40.28 | AlexLikerock | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:40.49 | AlexLikerock | genmask 255.255.0.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:40.59 | AlexLikerock | flags |
| 01:41.00 | AlexLikerock | U |
| 01:41.07 | AlexLikerock | Metric |
| 01:41.09 | AlexLikerock | 1000 |
| 01:41.11 | AlexLikerock | 0 |
| 01:41.15 | AlexLikerock | Ref |
| 01:41.16 | AlexLikerock | 0 |
| 01:41.17 | AlexLikerock | ' |
| 01:41.19 | AlexLikerock | 0 |
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| 01:41.24 | themill | AlexLikerock: seriously... |
| 01:41.38 | hercumer | her it comes |
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| 01:42.05 | hercumer | Wel you don't show a gateway |
| 01:42.17 | hercumer | ? |
| 01:42.36 | hercumer | You probably need to look hard at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:45.58 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, you are right |
| 01:46.07 | hercumer | Sure |
| 01:46.20 | hercumer | I keep saying that, but.. |
| 01:46.49 | AlexLikerock | i see "gataway " inside of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:46.51 | AlexLikerock | tanks |
| 01:47.09 | hercumer | where? |
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| 01:47.16 | AlexLikerock | testing internet ... |
| 01:47.25 | AlexLikerock | at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:47.29 | theseb | help!! https://philfour.com/static/cable.jpg <--- can someone please tell me if this harddrive plug is for a SATA drive or what KIND it is? (I want to replace with SSD but don't know what I should buy! |
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| 01:48.33 | CHVNX | cmus segfaults when adding large library, Debian testing. Anyone had problems this week with cmus? Worked fine a few days ago. I can add individual dirs, but adding my entire library at once segfaults. Does anyone else have probelms with cmus? How would I go about fixing this problem? Any suggestions? |
| 01:48.35 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, suc cess |
| 01:48.38 | AlexLikerock | hercumer, success |
| 01:48.41 | AlexLikerock | done |
| 01:48.47 | AlexLikerock | coneccion complete :D |
| 01:48.51 | hercumer | Good, tuttles |
| 01:50.05 | AlexLikerock | tanks alot to hercumer fireant relaxed Eduard_Munteanu , and others guys :) |
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| 01:58.41 | shellclear | where i can find a documentation about kinds of kernel available in debian |
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| 02:00.22 | shellclear | whats diffence betwen linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64,linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64,linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 and linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64??? |
| 02:01.29 | dvs | shellclear: the "rt" is the real time kernel. I'm not sure what makes them so different. |
| 02:01.36 | ckuehl | shellclear: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 02:02.12 | ckuehl | (you probably don't want it) |
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| 02:04.20 | themill | !rt |
| 02:04.20 | dpkg | The PREEMPT_RT (linux-rt) realtime patch set allows for nearly all of the Linux kernel to be preempted, which may help achieve better low-latency behavior in some environments. Since August 2011, the Debian Kernel Team produce binary packages including this patch set, for the amd64 (linux-image-rt-amd64 metapackage) and i386 (linux-image-rt-686-pae metapackage) architectures. http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/ |
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| 02:10.08 | shellclear | ok, i understand the concept, but except in environment of critical mission,i dont can see improvement for domestic user.... using this kernel i have a performance gain? |
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| 02:14.20 | dvs | shellclear: Most people don't use the rt kernel so I can't imagine there's much of a performance gain |
| 02:15.42 | shellclear | thanks guys! i will read better about this |
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| 02:20.26 | squibs | test |
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| 02:27.19 | karlpinc | What is the right way to allocate a contiguous file in the filesystem to use as a loop device target. Is there any way to address issues of 4k alignment? This is on an ext3 fs on a Zen virtual device (/dev/xvda). |
| 02:28.41 | karlpinc | (And yes, a real partition would be nice but it's not what I've got.) |
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| 02:41.42 | zh1 | https://i.imgur.com/lPT7Fr5.png why? |
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| 02:42.46 | karlpinc | I suppose I could poke at it with dd and various 512 byte offsets and 4k blocks to tell what the alignment was -- if I knew the file was contiguous. That in itself might be a problem.... |
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| 02:52.48 | rryoumaa | this is probably a silly question, but when you umount, is a sync always run? |
| 02:53.12 | dvs | yes |
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| 03:07.28 | Okee | Do I need Pepper Flash Player, if I already have Lightspark and Gnash? I am running multiple browsers, including Chrome, Chromium, Opera, Web, Midori, Iceape, Iceweasel, Arora, Qupzilla |
| 03:09.09 | Okee | So far the only browsers I am happy with are Chrome and Web. Google Talk Plugin doesn't work on Chromium, or i would prefer that. Opera is too slow, Iceape has problems with loading groups, Midori has problems loading most things, and Arora has some issues. Qupzilla I don't know, and haven't had a chance to test it. |
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| 04:54.07 | newmember | I mounted a USB drive and I can change it to read/write mode |
| 04:54.12 | newmember | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.13 | newmember | mount: block device /dev/sdb1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 04:54.34 | newmember | how do I get this drive to be 'rw' |
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| 05:02.19 | rwp | newmember, If the drive is write-protected then you can never in software make it rw. |
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| 05:02.31 | rwp | newmember, You would need to fix the media to be writable. |
| 05:02.32 | linuxuz3r | what flags should i pass so that i can execute a program in fat32 |
| 05:02.46 | rwp | newmember, What is the media? Check if the usb write switch is flipped. |
| 05:03.16 | newmember | rwp: its a external USB drive |
| 05:03.30 | newmember | rwp: no external switch |
| 05:04.15 | rwp | The kernel thinks it is write-protected. |
| 05:04.39 | rwp | That is where I would debug things from. Usually that means a write protect switch. |
| 05:04.55 | linuxuz3r | anyone |
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| 05:05.29 | rwp | linuxuz3r, someone |
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| 05:10.13 | linuxuz3r | what flags should i pass so that i can execute a program in fat32 |
| 05:10.20 | veek | is the software for ubuntu forums available for free? |
| 05:10.41 | veek | wine? |
| 05:10.45 | linuxuz3r | the code compiles but the program wont run |
| 05:11.05 | veek | is the file PE32 or elf? |
| 05:11.06 | rwp | linuxuz3r, None. Should work okay be default. |
| 05:11.24 | linuxuz3r | ? |
| 05:11.38 | linuxuz3r | whats the difference |
| 05:11.39 | rwp | linuxuz3r, Run "file" on the file and tell what it identifies the file as. |
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| 05:12.08 | linuxuz3r | run? |
| 05:12.12 | capri | anyone use VTL = Virtual Tape Libary with debian? Are there anykind of open source tools/packages available? |
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| 05:12.57 | rwp | linuxuz3r, Yes, run. As in "file /media/usbdisk/path/to/your/file" |
| 05:13.48 | linuxuz3r | a.out: Mach-O 64-bit executable |
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| 05:15.05 | linuxuz3r | any ideas? |
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| 05:15.13 | rwp | linuxuz3r, Hmm... Interesting architecture. What is your host architecture? |
| 05:15.24 | rwp | Run "arch" |
| 05:15.25 | linuxuz3r | x86-64 |
| 05:16.51 | veek | oh boy |
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| 05:17.34 | rwp | I am not very familiar with Mach-O format but wikipedia tells me that it is most often used now by Apple for OS X and iOS. |
| 05:18.11 | rwp | linuxuz3r, Are you trying to run an Apple executable on your Debian amd64 system? I think maybe you are. |
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| 05:18.36 | veek | how did he manage to compile it into that format |
| 05:18.48 | rwp | Cross compile? |
| 05:18.48 | veek | screwy Makefile? |
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| 05:19.14 | rwp | I build Rockbox into an ARM executable that way. Works great. On my ARM Sansa Clip+. |
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| 05:20.12 | rwp | linuxuz3r, Compare your 'file' output to running "file /bin/cat" and looking at the compatible output for your host system. |
| 05:20.30 | rwp | /bin/cat: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24 ... stripped |
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| 05:21.34 | CHVNX | Just an FYI: my cmus installation (Debian testing) was borked and segfaulting because of cmus-plugin-ffmpeg. Uninstalled cmus and the plugin, then reinstalled cmus without it, removed the old config dir in /home {rm -rf .cmus/} and now cmus works again. Maybe this comment will help somebody else. |
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| 05:25.23 | linuxuz3r | a.out: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x6210293fe560b0967e5392e7b3d13626ff0ded90, not stripped |
| 05:26.30 | linuxuz3r | i used to compile in my system and run the code without problems |
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| 05:49.48 | worker123 | good day |
| 05:50.04 | worker123 | i have written a single custom debian package |
| 05:50.11 | worker123 | for a daemon |
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| 05:50.17 | worker123 | it works well |
| 05:50.28 | worker123 | and consists of several java jar files |
| 05:50.35 | worker123 | that are put down by the package |
| 05:50.46 | worker123 | i would like to split the package into multiple parts |
| 05:50.59 | worker123 | due to bandwidth constraints |
| 05:51.02 | CHVNX | worker123: Dont use enter as punctuation, just write a paragraph |
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| 05:52.47 | worker123 | however, i am worried about the affect of replacing jar's while the daemon is running, what is the best practice for a situation like this ? should i have a master package that depends on all the individual jar packages ? if so, should each individual jar package stop the daemon before it is upgraded ? |
| 05:53.48 | worker123 | in the single package scenario it was easy, i simply stopped the daemon in the prerm script, however i am not sure what to do with multiple packages |
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| 05:55.28 | worker123 | if i did stop the service for each individual jar package, is there an elegant way to detect when all individual jar packages have been upgraded so that i can start the service again after the last package has been upgraded ? Thanks |
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| 05:57.17 | worker123 | is this the correct place to ask such a question ? |
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| 05:59.33 | CHVNX | worker123: if you don't get a reply here, try on OFTC's network. |
| 06:00.00 | CHVNX | Also, consider asking #programming |
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| 06:04.08 | hypermist | where is a debian .torrent file i cannot find ;s |
| 06:04.22 | hypermist | nvmn found it |
| 06:04.48 | worker123 | CHVNX, thank you |
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| 06:40.37 | hpym | is there any alternative to chkconfig? |
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| 06:42.39 | sunkan | hpym: update-rc.d ? |
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| 06:43.50 | hpym | i should have specified that i'm looking for a ncurses based alternative |
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| 06:44.27 | sunkan | hpym: Don't know any I'm afraid.. |
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| 06:45.06 | hpym | sunkan: even google doesn't so no problem. |
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| 06:46.06 | hpym | systemd has this really nice package available called serman2. |
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| 07:08.06 | KjetilK | I'm baffled by https://packages.debian.org/sid/noip2 |
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| 07:08.21 | KjetilK | It has no maintainer, yet, I find no WNPP bug |
| 07:08.43 | KjetilK | and the package contains the latest upstream version |
| 07:08.49 | KjetilK | and overall appears sane... |
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| 07:09.48 | pengol | Hi all I have an old IBM thinkpad r50e laptop with sid installed but I can't get no sound out of it. aplay execute with no errors, but I cant hear anything. I have read and tried many solution from the web, but I can't get any good. Anybody can help me? |
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| 07:13.04 | zir0faive | hi pengol, I suppose you've checked for hardware problems first? |
| 07:13.34 | KjetilK | pengol, have you launched alsamixer to see if anything is muted? |
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| 07:14.00 | KjetilK | has a number of times seen that happen and wonder what suddenly muted it... |
| 07:15.05 | pengol | KjetilK: yes |
| 07:15.27 | KjetilK | pengol, ok, just wanted to make sure :-) |
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| 07:16.10 | pengol | KjetilK: I know :) it's the firts message in any forum thread :) |
| 07:16.26 | KjetilK | :-) |
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| 07:23.04 | pengol | rebooting |
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| 07:29.45 | mixtu | i have a weird problem on debian with my touchpad; the button are "part" of the touchpad, so when i try to click, the mouse moves and my click misses; is there a way to desensitivize the part of the touchpad where the buttons are? or is there something else i should know about? |
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| 07:36.40 | maurer | Hey, llvm-3.5-dev and llvm-3.6-dev don't install working CMakefiles, and llvm-config does not give /usr/include/llvm-c-3.5, etc |
| 07:37.00 | maurer | How am I supposed to make my build system able to find the C include headers for llvm on debian? |
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| 07:41.53 | mixtu | synclient AreaBottomEdge=4000 saved the day |
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| 07:42.55 | jelly-home | maurer: ask the http://clang.debian.net/ people, they've rebuilt 95% of the debian archive with 3.5 |
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| 07:48.13 | maurer | jelly-home: That would not require this include path |
| 07:48.19 | maurer | I'm talking about the LLVM library C bindings |
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| 07:48.46 | maurer | on non-debian system, these header files are installed in the same directory as the C++ ones |
| 07:48.51 | maurer | *systems |
| 07:49.14 | maurer | I'm trying to figure out how I'm supposed to detect this so that my build system will work on debian, as one of the new devs wants to use debian for his dev machine |
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| 07:55.51 | Iridos | 3.5 would be jessie? |
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| 07:56.50 | maurer | Iridos: It's the same for 3.5, 3.6 |
| 07:56.58 | maurer | I haven't checked 3.4, but we need 3.5+ to build |
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| 07:58.08 | Iridos | judd, versions llvm-3.5-dev |
| 07:58.08 | judd | Package: llvm-3.5-dev on i386 -- jessie: 1:3.5~+rc1-2; sid: 1:3.5-1 |
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| 07:58.59 | voidfire | ahai |
| 08:00.17 | Iridos | maurer, you did look at the llvm-3.x-examples package? |
| 08:01.17 | maurer | Iridos: I'll take a look |
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| 08:02.08 | Skyrider | If I have nginx installed, and install apache after that.. It'll use apache as webserver, right? |
| 08:02.13 | Skyrider | Seeing that was last installed. |
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| 08:06.44 | Iridos | jelly-home, bit weird... it looked like llvm-3.0-dev is pretty much empty, but it seems to be a quirk in apt-file... I'd have expected the output of apt-file search llvm-3.0-dev vs apt-file search llvm |grep ^llvm-3.0-dev to be the same... as apt-file also would search in the package name last I remember |
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| 08:08.02 | maurer | Iridos: those are just the stock LLVM examples... |
| 08:08.05 | maurer | they fail to build |
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| 08:08.53 | maurer | They also have a bunch of magically hardcoded variables |
| 08:10.49 | jelly-home | Iridos: there's been a lot of recent work on llvm packaging, look at sid or jessie instead of llvm-3.0-dev |
| 08:11.26 | jelly-home | maurer: which release are you using? |
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| 08:11.52 | maurer | jelly-home: I've got 2 different vms I'm testing on, one jessie and one sid |
| 08:11.54 | maurer | neither works |
| 08:12.07 | maurer | If I manually specify all the -I and -L, things work appropriately |
| 08:12.20 | jelly-home | it's quite possible things are still in flux |
| 08:12.21 | maurer | but since the CMake files aren't shipped appropriately, autodetection isn't working |
| 08:13.16 | jelly-home | maurer: check http://bugs.debian.org/llvm-3.5-dev and file a bug report |
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| 08:13.32 | jelly-home | if it's not there already, I mean |
| 08:13.43 | maurer | jelly-home: It's already there |
| 08:13.48 | maurer | jelly-home: I'm wondering what the work around is |
| 08:13.54 | maurer | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735592 |
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| 08:14.32 | maurer | I was going to just exec llvm-config, but llvm-config --includedir does not list /usr/include/llvm-c-3.x |
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| 08:14.48 | maurer | So I'm wondering by what mechanism programs are expected to find this, if not by cmake or by llvm-config |
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| 08:15.11 | milligan | Hey - I'm getting a lot of kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe " .. for block-major-43 .. during boot. The machine doesn't boot, and I suspect that these failing modprobes are the cause of it. Is there any way to check what modules it's failing to probe? |
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| 08:16.43 | jelly-home | maurer: eh, perhaps you can suggest the llvm packaging team a way to fix things instead of looking for a quick workaround |
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| 08:20.33 | maurer | jelly-home: ...that doesn't help me get a dev environment up and running for this guy tomorrow |
| 08:20.53 | maurer | if the only way to fix it is to suggest a fix to the llvm packaging team and wait, then I just have to tell him he can't use debian |
| 08:20.58 | maurer | he can't not be developing tomorrow |
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| 08:25.29 | Iridos | jelly-home, ah... well, I'm on stable and only have the jessie source packages enabled... |
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| 08:32.11 | jelly-home | maurer: that's probably a saner option instead of hacking up a dev environment that noone else uses |
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| 08:34.54 | Iridos | maurer, but that bug whould be fixed? bit weird... the one the chap at the end reports is exactly one of the files they spoke of and included above |
| 08:35.56 | Iridos | sounds like fixing things upstream and in the debian package as well broke them again when the upstream changes came in? |
| 08:35.59 | Iridos | dunno |
| 08:37.01 | Iridos | dpkg, tell maurer about snapshots |
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| 08:37.16 | G66k | hello everyone |
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| 08:37.46 | G66k | i want to know how to add user with su access |
| 08:38.38 | Iridos | maurer, you could check if it was working in one of the intermittent packages... then, if there was a working version can see where the regression happened and it would probably not be too hard to figure out from the source package what happened |
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| 08:39.32 | Iridos | G66k, you give him the root password, then he can become root with su. That's it. If you meant sudoers, that's configured in /etc/sudoers |
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| 08:40.10 | Iridos | (or /etc/sudoers.d/<somefile>, see comments in /etc/sudoers ) |
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| 08:41.28 | G66k | Iridos, i want to give other user access root with different password |
| 08:41.44 | G66k | ok i guess visudo |
| 08:41.53 | G66k | where i can dig |
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| 08:50.05 | Thumpxr | G66k: you can create a user for them and then edit /etc/passwd and change the ids from the new user to the same as root.. Or you simply use sudo |
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| 08:51.02 | laite^ | Thumpxr: that's very hacky to say the least |
| 08:51.19 | G66k | Thumpxr, like this someuser:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 08:51.22 | G66k | ? |
| 08:51.28 | Thumpxr | laite^: Why? :D |
| 08:51.40 | Thumpxr | G66k: yeah. But wait for laite^ what he says.. |
| 08:51.53 | laite^ | some silly applications that check your username instead of UID, for example |
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| 08:52.10 | G66k | Thumpxr, show us unhacky way please ! |
| 08:52.19 | laite^ | G66k: go with the sudo |
| 08:52.25 | Thumpxr | laite^: did this on a root for a fake "webdav" user.. since i didnt own the root but need those access and the owner is a bit strange concerning rights |
| 08:52.53 | laite^ | Thumpxr: I'm not saying it didn't work sometimes :) |
| 08:52.58 | laite^ | *wouldn't |
| 08:53.11 | Thumpxr | laite^: yeah i konw.. |
| 08:53.53 | G66k | Thumpxr, thanks its work <3 |
| 08:54.06 | G66k | laite^, beside hacking my system isnt a crime |
| 08:54.33 | laite^ | G66k: not hacking in that sense, "a hack" in a sense that gets the job done but isn't very pretty |
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| 08:54.35 | Thumpxr | G66k: ok. but read about sudo.. this way you can grant them only specific rights |
| 08:55.35 | G66k | Ok , iwill , thanks guys |
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| 08:58.31 | peterrooney | sudo ALSO enables separate logs for each person. |
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| 09:55.57 | newarch | hi |
| 09:56.28 | newarch | gnome-control-center is giving 'segmentation faul' error, how to fix it? |
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| 09:57.33 | petn-randall | newarch: Which release are you running? |
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| 09:58.53 | valdyn | rendar: why didnt you just install the debian package? |
| 09:59.00 | Sbroker` | Hi, one question some option to uninstall chrome stable release .120 and install .90? |
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| 09:59.08 | enach | Hi, I'm trying to reinstall debain on my laptop, but when I select my usb device on boot override it doesn't work :/ |
| 09:59.11 | rendar | valdyn: which one? |
| 09:59.19 | newarch | petn-randall, debian 7, stabl |
| 09:59.24 | newarch | stable |
| 09:59.44 | valdyn | rendar: i cant know without knowing about your wifi chip |
| 09:59.46 | enach | At the begining my laptop was under windows 8 |
| 09:59.49 | SynrG | the one containing the file you downloaded. you can use 'apt-file search <filename>' to search for which package contains a given file (you need to install apt-file first) |
| 09:59.56 | SynrG | rendar: ^^ |
| 09:59.59 | rendar | intel pro wireless 3945ABG |
| 10:00.14 | SynrG | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 10:00.19 | rendar | oh |
| 10:00.34 | enach | And I setup my usb device with unetbooting, formating in FAT |
| 10:00.36 | SynrG | make sure you have non-free enabled in your sources.list |
| 10:00.56 | rendar | 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no candidate |
| 10:01.01 | petn-randall | newarch: Can you run it from the terminal, and paste the whole output it produces, along with the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy gnome-control-center' to http:/paste.debian.net? |
| 10:01.20 | petn-randall | !tell rendar about installer firmware |
| 10:02.09 | SynrG | rendar: what did i *just* say? :) |
| 10:02.23 | rendar | why i have to read all of this to just getting wifi? :( |
| 10:02.42 | petn-randall | !tell enach -about unetbootin |
| 10:02.50 | petn-randall | !tell enach -about doesnt work |
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| 10:03.15 | rendar | seriously, why the operating system can't do this automatically? |
| 10:03.18 | SynrGy | rendar: because vendors insist on not releasing the source to their firmware. |
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| 10:03.31 | SynrGy | rendar: therefore, we can't include it in debian main |
| 10:03.50 | petn-randall | rendar: The firmware is not open-source, and thus not on the default install images. There are separate images that contain the firmware automatically, though. |
| 10:04.08 | rendar | SynrG: but can't a script just see iwlwifi is needed and download it from surource forge or whaterver, and install/set it? |
| 10:04.16 | SynrGy | rendar: see what petn-randall just said. |
| 10:04.25 | SynrGy | rendar: and the installation guide does include this info. |
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| 10:04.48 | petn-randall | rendar: You mean download it over the wifi that doesn't work? |
| 10:05.01 | enach | petn-randall: When I say doesn't work, in fact there is a black screen and a next second the bios is back |
| 10:05.06 | rendar | petn-randall: no, from eth0 |
| 10:05.19 | petn-randall | rendar: If you have a wired connection, you can install Debian just fine and then install the firmware later. |
| 10:05.21 | rendar | petn-randall: that would break the continuum time-space |
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| 10:05.39 | wizard-d | i am back |
| 10:05.48 | wizard-d | so where did we stop |
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| 10:06.04 | valdyn | rendar: you dont need most of what you are told here if you installed via ethernet |
| 10:06.07 | enach | petn-randall: What use if unetbooting isn't a good program ? |
| 10:06.22 | SynrGy | enach: |
| 10:06.24 | SynrGy | !install usb |
| 10:06.27 | rendar | petn-randall: this is what i mean, but what i wish is to install that driver with a simple apt-get command, and then the operating system does confgurations, instead now i have to figure out where to put this firmware and how to make it working |
| 10:06.29 | petn-randall | wizard-d: You just switched networks, we were debugging on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:06.33 | SynrGy | oops, wrong way around |
| 10:06.35 | SynrGy | !usb install |
| 10:06.35 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 10:06.51 | SynrGy | enach: that ^^ |
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| 10:06.58 | petn-randall | rendar: No, you don't? If you have Debian already install just use the package manager to get the firmware you're missing. |
| 10:07.00 | wizard-d | yes thats true |
| 10:07.06 | enach | SynrGy: I'll look thank you |
| 10:07.17 | wizard-d | my boss said i should always use freenode |
| 10:07.23 | petn-randall | enach: 'cp' if you're running an Linux OS. |
| 10:07.59 | SynrGy | rendar: "instead now i have to figure out where to put this firmware and how to make it working" <- no, you don't. if you had used the unofficial install medium, which the manual tells about, it would be all automatic |
| 10:08.18 | SynrGy | !firmware images |
| 10:08.20 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 10:08.39 | rendar | SynrG: yeah but i still have to tell apt-get where to find the package |
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| 10:08.43 | rendar | since it cannot find it |
| 10:08.46 | petn-randall | !tell rendar -about non-free sources |
| 10:09.08 | petn-randall | rendar: Check what the bot said, you have to update your sources.list and then install the package SynrGy mentioned. |
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| 10:09.13 | SynrGy | rendar: you do now, since you started down the wrong road to begin with. but it is not hard. petn-randall just had dpkg bot send you the details |
| 10:09.16 | rendar | ok |
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| 10:10.26 | Sbroker` | The reason is that Debian Wheezy uses GLIBC 2.13 and google chrome - precisely libpepflashplayer.so needs 2.14 or higher. Google chrome to download from official google site under link "Debian" is not compatibel with debian stable |
| 10:10.47 | Phyliares | are dpkg sources available? |
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| 10:11.22 | rendar | if i got it, i have to add to source.list 'deb http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ main contrib non-free' right ? |
| 10:11.23 | Sbroker` | I m looking for |
| 10:11.30 | t3ngu | there are more stuff that breaks with that version of glibc as the citrix receiver :( |
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| 10:14.19 | Phyliares | dpkg sources are at http://sourceforge.net/p/infobot/code/HEAD/tree/ |
| 10:14.19 | dpkg | ...but sources is already something else... |
| 10:14.25 | hooligan132 | hey if any one uses jack audio connection kit and auto starts it.. i have a nice reliable methology if any ones interested particularly if you have a usb sound card.. but yeah what the over all picture looks like is this: firstly use udevadm trigger to make sure usb sound cards are recognized properly on the usb hub, you launch that little one off your login manager, then you run the new jack2 |
| 10:14.26 | hooligan132 | + new autoconnect feature which allows you use the patchbay persistence as you should, rather then it being all retarded cause you cant restrain / stop /urge lazy audio devs to make things well nice, |
| 10:14.26 | hooligan132 | and then my script which i just cobbled from a init.d script which starts qjackctl waits to see jackd's logging in its log, so its started properly by watching jackds log then it gracefully connects your jack clients in controlled fasion,and it also take the liberty to connect in alsa_in and alsa_out via the loopback devices as well for you all in 1 little hit and not 1 single sleep statement |
| 10:14.26 | hooligan132 | used! |
| 10:14.44 | rendar | it doesn't work :( |
| 10:14.54 | Phyliares | 'dpkg sources' are at http://sourceforge.net/p/infobot/code/HEAD/tree/ |
| 10:15.11 | Phyliares | where are 'dpkg sources'? |
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| 10:15.53 | rendar | Failed to fetch 'http;//cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/dists/main/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found --- what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 10:16.13 | Phyliares | rendar: s/;/:/ |
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| 10:16.39 | rendar | well, actually its ':' |
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| 10:17.07 | rendar | i have just printed it wrongly, but in source.lits its ':' |
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| 10:17.49 | Phyliares | 'dist' directory is not a working url |
| 10:17.56 | Phyliares | +s |
| 10:18.22 | rendar | ? |
| 10:18.32 | Phyliares | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/dists => 404 |
| 10:18.35 | rendar | yeah |
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| 10:18.54 | rendar | but apt-get adds it |
| 10:18.57 | rendar | not me |
| 10:19.03 | Phyliares | sources.list broken? |
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| 10:19.44 | rendar | i don't think so, it seems all correct |
| 10:20.13 | SynrGy | rendar: you're muddling things. |
| 10:20.26 | Phyliares | but wait, what are you trying to do? |
| 10:20.39 | rendar | SynrG: how? |
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| 10:20.53 | SynrGy | rendar: you've managed to mix my earlier advice that you should've started by using the unofficial non-free *image* to install. that horse has fled. |
| 10:20.55 | Phyliares | it's not a repo for packages |
| 10:20.58 | rendar | Phyliares: just install this: 'firmware-iwlwifi' |
| 10:21.19 | SynrGy | rendar: and you were subsequently given another factoid by dpkg bot (did you miss the message window?) to add 'non-free' to your sources.list |
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| 10:21.32 | rendar | SynrG: i did it.. |
| 10:21.33 | Phyliares | next to main contrib |
| 10:21.35 | SynrGy | rendar: it's quite specific about how that is done, and you've managed to cut-and-paste the wrong thing in there. |
| 10:21.46 | SynrGy | rendar: you've put the URL to the non-free installer image in it. that's wrong. |
| 10:22.08 | SynrGy | rendar: and that's why it's failing. you mixed the two things up |
| 10:22.17 | rendar | SynrG: shoulnd't i put the url of the non-free packages plus 'jessie main contrib non-free' string? |
| 10:22.42 | SynrGy | 07:15 < rendar> Failed to fetch 'http;//cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/dists/main/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 |
| 10:22.50 | SynrGy | ^^ this is not "the URL of the non-free packages" |
| 10:22.59 | SynrGy | it's the URL of the unofficial non-free installer *image* |
| 10:23.06 | SynrGy | that is something entirely different. |
| 10:23.39 | SynrGy | !non-free sources |
| 10:23.39 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 10:24.02 | SynrGy | rendar: the URL should be *exactly* as it was already in your sources.list (assuming it started with a correct URL for 'main' before) |
| 10:24.10 | rendar | hmmm, ok |
| 10:24.22 | SynrGy | rendar: and has nothing new added to it but ' contrib non-free' at the end of the existing line(s) |
| 10:24.48 | rendar | i see |
| 10:24.49 | SynrGy | really quite simple, but you had a lot of things coming at you ... |
| 10:24.54 | SynrGy | so i see how you went astray |
| 10:25.14 | rendar | its just i can't find the correct URL where non free packages are |
| 10:25.30 | SynrGy | the non-free packages are exactly where the free ones are. there's no new URL for that. |
| 10:25.42 | SynrGy | (much to the FSF's annoyance, i might add ;) |
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| 10:26.16 | rendar | mmm |
| 10:26.17 | Phyliares | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 10:26.31 | SynrGy | rendar: if it's any consolation: Debian tries to make it easy for you to do this. the FSF wants to make it even harder ... |
| 10:26.40 | rendar | SynrG: so i have just to replicate the urls i already have in source.list and then add non-free? |
| 10:26.49 | SynrGy | not replicate. just edit the existing ones |
| 10:26.55 | rendar | oh |
| 10:27.00 | SynrGy | which is exactly as the factoid above says |
| 10:27.45 | rendar | SynrG: so if i add 'non-free' string to my existing urls i'm telling apt-get that even packages labeled with "non-free" string (which as far as i can get if just a directory name in the overall tree) are from those URLs |
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| 10:28.06 | SynrGy | right, and might as well add contrib, too |
| 10:28.25 | rendar | what does contrib means? |
| 10:28.35 | SynrGy | that includes things like installer packages for flash (Which themselves are not non-free, but *depend on* non-free) |
| 10:28.47 | rendar | oh, i see |
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| 10:29.16 | rendar | of course, contrib and non-free must be put in 'deb' and not 'deb-src' right? i guess deb-src refers to packages which contains source code? |
| 10:29.37 | SynrGy | you can add to both |
| 10:29.47 | SynrGy | if you ever want to get the source for a non-free thing, you can |
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| 10:30.14 | rendar | ok |
| 10:30.15 | SynrGy | non-free doesn't mean "there is no source for it". it means the terms under which you can download/modify/redistribute the source fail the DFSG |
| 10:30.27 | rendar | but what is exactly the difference between deb and deb-src? |
| 10:30.28 | SynrGy | !dfsg |
| 10:30.28 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 10:30.42 | SynrGy | rendar: it is exactly as you surmised. deb-src is for fetching the source. |
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| 10:30.50 | SynrGy | rendar: you don't often need this. but occasionally it may be useful. |
| 10:30.51 | rendar | ok |
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| 10:31.22 | SynrGy | and we do not want to obstruct your ability to get it by default, which is why it's enabled by default, even if you never use it. |
| 10:32.18 | rendar | i see |
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| 10:35.36 | SynrGy | rendar: so all clear, now? it's not quite as hard as it seemed at first. and reading the installation guide first certainly helps sort some of this out. next time you do an install, you could use the firmware image instead, which would have the firmware available to you during install (and therefore enable install over wireless). meanwhile, enjoy your new system :) |
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| 10:38.06 | Sbroker` | Well the solution... |
| 10:38.08 | Sbroker` | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.13 | rendar | SynrG: well yeah, i agree, but why do exist those labels 'main' 'contrib' 'non-free' etc? instead of an unique big repository? |
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| 10:38.47 | Sbroker` | here is the old package 94.1 |
| 10:38.49 | SynrGy | rendar: did you read the DFSG link above? if not, do it now. |
| 10:39.17 | Sbroker` | and flash and sockwave dont crash with this version |
| 10:39.25 | Sbroker` | checked! |
| 10:39.35 | rendar | ok |
| 10:39.58 | SynrGy | rendar: we are committed to providing you with a quality free software distribution. however, we do recognize and support users who use non-free software. we will never *require* that you use non-free software, though. |
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| 10:40.22 | rendar | i see |
| 10:40.42 | SynrGy | rendar: that's not to say you might have made a purchasing decision of hardware that requires it ... (and admittedly, this is confounding territory to new users) |
| 10:40.44 | wizard-d | hi everyone |
| 10:41.07 | SynrGy | rendar: so the separation reflects this high standard we hold. |
| 10:42.02 | wizard-d | ok i installed debian but it is taking me to the terminal |
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| 10:43.56 | SynrG | wizard-d: by switching networks you've kind of wrecked continuity for this help session :/ |
| 10:44.52 | SynrG | you asked earlier on OFTC if you need a network to install debian. no, you don't, but as i said on OFTC, then you will be limited to only the packages present on the install medium. |
| 10:45.07 | SynrG | if that install medium is the 'netinst' image, it contains very little. no desktop at all. |
| 10:45.48 | SynrG | i understand this install is being performed in a VM ... if you had wanted a complete desktop install without a network, you ought to have installed from an image that contains whatever desktop you want |
| 10:46.20 | SynrG | not that this can't be fixed now ... but you would need a network to do it. do you have network yet? what's the reason you've decided to install without one? |
| 10:47.05 | SynrG | all VMs i know of are capable of providing you with a network interface that the debian installer ought to be able to make use of during install. |
| 10:49.36 | SynrG | (btw, your boss's insistence you use freenode seems strange; OFTC is the official Debian support network, i.e. irc.debian.org ... but far be it from me to get you in trouble with your boss :) |
| 10:50.46 | wizard-d | oh dont mind me its was a friend thats asked me to use freenode |
| 10:51.49 | wizard-d | i i know oftc i the official debian support network |
| 10:52.05 | SynrG | wizard-d: so can we get it straight what you're trying to accomplish and why? |
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| 10:52.15 | SynrG | i seem to have lost the reason for installing without network |
| 10:52.24 | SynrG | and that has caused the problem you now face |
| 10:52.41 | wizard-d | really? |
| 10:53.17 | wizard-d | but i installed kali linux and matruix krypton without network and it worked |
| 10:53.35 | SynrG | and you can install debian without network and it works too. |
| 10:53.41 | SynrG | in fact, it *did* work. |
| 10:53.52 | SynrG | it just didn't give you the intended result because you selected the 'netinst' |
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| 10:54.05 | SynrG | which, oddly enough, works best with a network (whoda thunk? :) |
| 10:54.27 | SynrG | wizard-d: so tell me why you want to install without a network ... |
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| 10:55.20 | wizard-d | because i do not always have netwprk |
| 10:55.22 | wizard-d | network |
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| 10:55.53 | comradekingu | just get the regular iso and not the netinst and you can do that |
| 10:56.36 | SynrG | yep. and what was the very first thing we said? read the installation guide. |
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| 10:56.55 | SynrG | if you had read that, it would tell you there are different images and what they provide, and then there would be no surprises. |
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| 10:57.12 | wizard-d | ok i have even forgten the one i downloaded |
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| 10:58.01 | wizard-d | ok i will try that one and see if it works |
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| 10:58.11 | wizard-d | thanks synr |
| 10:58.12 | SynrG | unlike some other distributions, Debian is the "universal OS". this means, among other things, it works in a broader range of cases than those other distros, and provides a broader selection of packages ... we cannot provide you with a single image that contains "everything" |
| 10:58.23 | SynrG | it also means reading the doc is more important |
| 10:59.01 | wizard-d | @synerg thanks |
| 10:59.06 | SynrG | expect to read more, and more closely than you did with Kali, etc. |
| 10:59.12 | SynrG | good luck |
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| 10:59.59 | wizard-d | i did not read any installationn guid for kali and etc i just instlled it and it worked |
| 11:00.27 | echo083 | hello, after a package upgrade apt-get propose me to display the differences with the old configuration of the package, which command does it use to do it ? i like the output with + and - rather than the diff output |
| 11:01.05 | SynrG | wizard-d: as i said, simpler distro delivering much less than Debian does, in far fewer install scenarios. |
| 11:02.03 | wizard-d | ok so what you mean is that debian is more like hard to install |
| 11:02.06 | SynrG | wizard-d: Debian is the VCR that flashes 12:00 at you until you read the manual and figure out how to set it ;) |
| 11:02.36 | SynrG | wizard-d: if you are even *basically* competent at reading and following instructions, you will succeed. |
| 11:02.45 | SynrG | it is not hard. but reading is actually required. |
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| 11:03.40 | wizard-d | ok i will try it know with a vmware |
| 11:04.11 | wizard-d | do you know i treid installing it on my company's pc and i recked evrything |
| 11:04.28 | AlexWH88 | wizard-d: problem with network? |
| 11:05.15 | wizard-d | alexwh88 nop it's problem with debian |
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| 11:06.07 | SynrG | AlexWH88: to catch you up, he decided to use the netinst to install without enabling the network (conscious choice on his part, it seems) and then was surprised when it booted to console only, not a gui. |
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| 11:06.47 | SynrG | he has been advised Debian has multiple install media and he just needs to read the installation guide and select the desired media instead if he wants to install without net. |
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| 11:07.31 | wizard-d | ok thanks i will use the installation guid |
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| 11:07.58 | AlexWH88 | Oh, i see.. |
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| 11:08.30 | wizard-d | yeah alex |
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| 11:10.33 | r4co0n | Standard exim on jessie says: "root@localhost.localdomain R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported" when I try to send mail from the same machine. Shouldn't this work as well as @localhost, my /etc/hosts file at least suggests that. |
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| 11:11.33 | r4co0n | i used the long format since wordpress refuses to take @localhost |
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| 11:12.17 | petn-randall | r4co0n: Well, any other mailserver will reject that mail anyway, since .localdomain is a non-existant TLD. |
| 11:12.47 | r4co0n | so my /etc/hosts file contains non-existant stuff? |
| 11:13.25 | petn-randall | r4co0n: No, but it will likely not exist on remote server. |
| 11:13.38 | r4co0n | i just wanted this to work for a testbench, i can't go live with this mail-address |
| 11:13.44 | r4co0n | im connecting to localhost |
| 11:14.11 | petn-randall | r4co0n: I don't use exim4, so I can only assume exim4 is stopping you from doing things that are a pretty bad practice. |
| 11:14.53 | r4co0n | petn-randall, neither do i, when I want a mailserver. But I thought the standard setup would suffice.. |
| 11:15.17 | SynrG | exim4 is configured correctly. your host is not. |
| 11:15.36 | r4co0n | SynrG, clarify, pls |
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| 11:15.57 | SynrG | what is in your /etc/hosts wrt. localhost? |
| 11:16.25 | petn-randall | r4co0n: You don't want to use jessie on production, by the way. |
| 11:16.41 | r4co0n | it is the standard hosts file |
| 11:16.42 | r4co0n | 127.0.1.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 11:16.42 | r4co0n | 2nd line iirc |
| 11:16.42 | r4co0n | gonna check |
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| 11:17.30 | SynrG | like i said, r4co0n, configured incorrectly. http://paste.debian.net/121915/ is a standard /etc/hosts and you've screwed it up |
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| 11:18.05 | SynrG | you can't just make stuff up and have your mail server understand it |
| 11:18.18 | r4co0n | sorry, SynrG, i read a long bug report discussing the pros and cons of formatting /etc/hosts and remembered wrong stuff. mea culpa |
| 11:18.29 | r4co0n | i don't have a localhost.localdomain in my hosts file |
| 11:19.14 | SynrG | ok. then why are you trying to mail to @localhost.localdomain? why do you expect it to work? |
| 11:19.29 | r4co0n | i read a long bug report discussing the pros and cons of formatting /etc/hosts and remembered wrong stuff. mea culpa |
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| 11:19.42 | petn-randall | !tell r4co0n about enter |
| 11:19.42 | SynrG | r4co0n: then you have no issue? |
| 11:19.58 | r4co0n | no i don't, sry for the fuzz |
| 11:20.11 | SynrG | np |
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| 11:22.39 | enach | Hi, I'm back, I tried to setup my usb device with https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 but it don't work more than before, so when I select my usb device on the bios "Boot Override" there is a black screen for 1 seconde and the bios come back |
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| 11:24.49 | r4co0n | SynrG, fyi, this is an untouched hosts file for jessie, 1st line comment is added. http://paste.debian.net/121916/ |
| 11:24.59 | Walex | enach: you can test it with some VM system too usually |
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| 11:25.38 | enach | Walex: I'm not sure to understand :( |
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| 11:28.17 | SynrG | enach: just to be clear, you've done exactly as described in section 4.3.1 using cp? and in particular, paid attention to "When the USB stick is inserted, it will be mapped to a device named /dev/sdX, where the âXâ is a letter in the range a-z." and then used that device (not a partition on the device) when you did the "cp" command? |
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| 11:29.26 | enach | SynrG: not like that, I'll try like that ty |
| 11:29.26 | SynrG | r4co0n: looks good to me. so there is no 'localhost.localdomain' in there, and that's not something i would expect exim to know anything about ... |
| 11:29.53 | SynrG | r4co0n: so if you try sending mail to that, exim4 will understandably be confused |
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| 11:34.44 | echo083 | hello i don't want to be prompted when a configuration is different from the new package after apt-get upgrade and keep the old configuration file how to achieve that ? |
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| 11:37.38 | SynrG | that's the sort of idea that sounds good on the face of it, but very likely will break your system down the road. |
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| 11:37.55 | echo083 | SynrG, me ? |
| 11:38.00 | SynrG | you could get lucky and 95% of the time that strategy works. it's the other 5% that will kill you |
| 11:38.02 | SynrG | yes |
| 11:38.11 | echo083 | SynrG, yes i know ! but it is in a specific case |
| 11:38.26 | echo083 | SynrG, identical servers i first make a manual upgrade |
| 11:38.28 | SynrG | so for the specific case, just sit there and tell it |
| 11:38.44 | SynrG | i see. |
| 11:38.46 | echo083 | SynrG, if i needed i need to keep the old configuration file then i'd like to apply this behavior to other servers |
| 11:39.04 | echo083 | SynrG, without the prompt everytime |
| 11:39.21 | sinonick | echo083, i believe if there's an option to do that it's in man apt-get, have you checked that? |
| 11:39.37 | echo083 | sinonick, yes i found that apt-get upgrade -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" --force-yes -y |
| 11:39.44 | echo083 | sinonick, but it didn't work it prompted me |
| 11:40.09 | SynrG | that's apt |
| 11:40.25 | SynrG | oh, --force-confold? yeah, that takes care of dpkg |
| 11:40.35 | echo083 | SynrG, oh |
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| 11:40.49 | SynrG | and don't use --force-yes |
| 11:40.56 | enach | SynrG: that's normal that the cp takes many time ? |
| 11:41.02 | echo083 | SynrG, why not force-yes ? |
| 11:41.15 | SynrG | echo083: did you read what the man page said about it? |
| 11:41.31 | echo083 | SynrG, no i didn't look the man page i thought it would be easier |
| 11:41.36 | SynrG | echo083: "Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system!" |
| 11:41.49 | SynrG | (direct quote from the man page; emphasis theirs) |
| 11:41.52 | echo083 | SynrG, oh yes yes i remember about that sorry indeed you are right |
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| 11:42.08 | echo083 | apt-get upgrade -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" |
| 11:42.19 | SynrG | that should work. |
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| 11:42.27 | echo083 | ok now i just need to keep the old configuration files automatically |
| 11:42.55 | Benno | hello at all. if I get this message: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found did they mean that i have to install a newer libc6 version on my debian 7 ? i dont find a glib package |
| 11:43.01 | echo083 | SynrG, the force-yes would have disables the automatic configuration keep ? |
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| 11:43.07 | echo083 | disababled* |
| 11:43.14 | echo083 | arghhhhh disabled* |
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| 11:43.32 | Arahael | What's teh package that let sme format my usb drive as vfat? |
| 11:43.35 | SynrG | echo083: the --force-yes would have disabled any prompt that might destroy your system. |
| 11:43.52 | SynrG | echo083: it is unrelated to whether or not dpkg keeps old confs, which the confold thing should take care of. |
| 11:44.07 | SynrG | so unless you have screwed up the syntax here, i can't see anything wrong with what you pasted |
| 11:44.29 | echo083 | SynrG, i just copy past the command then it should have work |
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| 11:45.17 | SynrG | copy-and-pasted from where? |
| 11:45.56 | echo083 | SynrG, from the server ! |
| 11:45.58 | enach | SynrG: Thank you veyr much, that work, but I don't understand what do "sync" can you explain me ? |
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| 11:46.53 | Arahael | dosfstools - awesome. |
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| 11:47.26 | SynrG | echo083: maybe it's positional? i don't know. as i said, that looked fine to me ... (i.e. maybe upgrade at the *end* of the line? |
| 11:47.29 | echo083 | SynrG, seems i need to do that after googling apt-get -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade |
| 11:47.34 | SynrG | echo083: the man page has the options listed first |
| 11:47.41 | SynrG | yeah |
| 11:47.49 | echo083 | SynrG, should i use dist-upgrade or just upgrade ? |
| 11:48.03 | wizard-d | synerg what type of debian should i download |
| 11:48.05 | SynrG | what are you trying to accomplish? they do different things |
| 11:48.15 | abrotman | wizard-d: there's only one type? |
| 11:48.16 | SynrG | wizard-d: i don't know. what kind of desktop do you want? |
| 11:48.22 | SynrG | wizard-d: what is your bandwidth like? |
| 11:48.27 | echo083 | SynrG, i just want to upgrade packages to the latest version but everybody use dist-upgrade |
| 11:48.36 | SynrG | abrotman: he's trying to select which image to use to do a netless install. |
| 11:48.37 | echo083 | SynrG, on the google pages i found |
| 11:48.49 | wizard-d | its 32bit |
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| 11:49.13 | abrotman | SynrG: but with an answer like that .. makes you wonder .. |
| 11:49.23 | SynrG | wizard-d: if it has no 3d acceleration, use xfce or lxde |
| 11:50.05 | wizard-d | i did not see all does on this ]age |
| 11:50.10 | wizard-d | page |
| 11:50.14 | SynrG | echo083: are you upgrading from one release to another? |
| 11:50.22 | SynrG | if so, which? |
| 11:50.38 | echo083 | SynrG, no the same release so upgrade is enough ? |
| 11:51.03 | SynrG | echo083: if it's from one point release of *stable* to another, you can dist-upgrade safely. |
| 11:51.22 | wizard-d | i can only see amd64' armel., armhf, is85, ia64 , and so many others |
| 11:51.25 | SynrG | if you are on testing or unstable, sometimes that can cause removal of things you don't want removed. |
| 11:51.31 | echo083 | SynrG, ok i'll get more info from man pages and google i don't need to annoy you ;) thanks for your help |
| 11:51.59 | SynrG | wizard-d: i386 is yours if you are 32bit PC |
| 11:52.06 | SynrG | read that one |
| 11:52.27 | wizard-d | ok i have clicked on it |
| 11:52.51 | SynrG | your "what kind" question was confusing and lacked sufficient detail to give you an intelligible answer ... |
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| 11:53.04 | SynrG | the more details you can give in your question, the more likely you'll get a useful response. |
| 11:53.09 | SynrG | !ask |
| 11:53.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:53.27 | SynrG | !tell wizard-d about smart questions |
| 11:54.19 | wizard-d | i think dpkg is a bot |
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| 11:54.41 | SynrGy | yes. |
| 11:54.47 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot |
| 11:54.47 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 11:54.56 | SynrGy | !tell wizard-d about dpkgbot |
| 11:55.38 | wizard-d | ok bot |
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| 12:13.24 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 12:14.00 | Posterdati | I've got problem with debian 7 and intel core2 duo, it resets on udev init!!! |
| 12:14.03 | Posterdati | Thanks |
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| 12:14.56 | Walex | Posterdati: thanks to you for letting us know! |
| 12:15.24 | Posterdati | waiting for /dev to populate... |
| 12:15.26 | Posterdati | and reset |
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| 12:16.06 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Can you elaborate on your problem? How does the problem show? |
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| 12:16.44 | Walex | Posterdati: most likely a driver bug somewhere or faulty hardware. Try various random boot flags like 'noacpi' or similar. |
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| 12:17.34 | abrotman | sounds like a memory issue to me |
| 12:17.36 | Posterdati | petn-randall: I installed using netinst disk, all went well, now I rebooted and after kernel loading it resets ad /dev populating |
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| 12:18.34 | wizard-d | ok i am back |
| 12:18.50 | wizard-d | stilll downloading debian |
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| 12:19.12 | wizard-d | where is that guy and tha bot |
| 12:19.22 | wizard-d | !tell |
| 12:19.35 | SynrG | if "that guy" is me, i'm around. but msg the bot please |
| 12:19.47 | SynrG | just say /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 12:19.56 | wizard-d | why shopuld i message the bot |
| 12:19.59 | petn-randall | Posterdati: How did you prepare the netinstall disk? |
| 12:20.01 | SynrG | it keeps the clutter off the channel. |
| 12:20.11 | wizard-d | i dont get you |
| 12:20.22 | SynrG | wizard-d: we use the public form of address to communicate to other helpers what has been shared with the user. |
| 12:20.28 | SynrG | wizard-d: it helps us all know the context. |
| 12:20.47 | SynrG | wizard-d: if you want a factoid for your own information, just privately message the bot |
| 12:20.56 | Posterdati | petn-randall: downloaded from debian.org (amd64) and used on several pc |
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| 12:21.23 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Yes, but what did you do with the download? Did you burn it on CD and install from there? |
| 12:21.32 | wizard-d | but i dont want to talk to the bot |
| 12:21.53 | Posterdati | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:22.25 | SynrG | wizard-d: you seemed to before when you said '!tell'. hence my advice. |
| 12:23.01 | wizard-d | i saw you doing it thats why i just tried it to see what it does |
| 12:23.05 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Or did you use a USB stick, and if yes, how did you prepare that USB stick? |
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| 12:23.18 | Posterdati | petn-randall: cd |
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| 12:23.48 | petn-randall | Posterdati: I see. And then the machine resets? Just to clarify, it reboots? |
| 12:24.08 | Posterdati | petn-randall: hard reboot to bios post |
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| 12:25.02 | leshaaf | hi how can i deinstall apt-get package |
| 12:25.11 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Wow, that's very unusual. Try booting into single user mode from grub, let's see if the problem happens there, too. |
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| 12:25.23 | petn-randall | leshaaf: Why do you want to uninstall apt-get? |
| 12:26.05 | Posterdati | petn-randall: it reboots |
| 12:26.06 | leshaaf | petn-randall: the apt-get update doesnt work fine |
| 12:26.17 | petn-randall | !tell leshaaf -about bat |
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| 12:26.39 | petn-randall | leshaaf: Try to give us all the info the bot requested from you, so we can further debug the issue. |
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| 12:28.39 | wizard-d | synerg:where are you from |
| 12:29.18 | Posterdati | petn-randall: maybe amd64 is not right for core2 duo |
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| 12:31.09 | petn-randall | Posterdati: If the installer booted, it's the right one, since the installer uses the same kernel. A kernel for amd64 won't boot on i386. |
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| 12:31.50 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Does that happen on all your machines, or just one that one? |
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| 12:32.06 | Posterdati | petn-randall: only this |
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| 12:34.00 | petn-randall | Posterdati: If single user mode also resets the machine hard, it might be a hardware defect. Does boot a live CD, for example "grml", boot fine? |
| 12:34.53 | Posterdati | petn-randall: don't know, I'm reinstalling |
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| 12:36.40 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Ok, we'll see how it goes then. I can imagine that you have a few faulty bytes of RAM, and they make the kernel crash and reboot the machine. |
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| 12:37.13 | Blokker|2 | is having a little socks proxy |
| 12:37.34 | Blokker|2 | my socks5 proxy works when i use it with curl, but when using it with tsocks, i can't reach any host |
| 12:37.41 | Blokker|2 | anyone willing to attempt a guess? |
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| 12:43.00 | Walex | Blokker|2: 'man socksd.conf' and 'man socks.conf'... |
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| 12:43.35 | Blokker|2 | thanks, i'll look into those |
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| 13:02.58 | wizard-d | hi people |
| 13:03.39 | wizard-d | is that guy still here io always forget his name |
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| 13:04.17 | SynrG | just ask your question. don't single one person out. |
| 13:04.26 | SynrG | there are many competent helpers here, and i also have a life :) |
| 13:04.46 | wizard-d | but i want to talk to you only |
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| 13:04.59 | wizard-d | and i knew you wouild reply me |
| 13:05.30 | SynrG | i don't know if i can always be so obliging ... and we work best as a team, here. |
| 13:05.55 | petn-randall | wizard-d: Ask questions, not for people. The person who knows the answer to your question will respond. |
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| 13:06.39 | wizard-d | synerg. has answers my question |
| 13:07.05 | wizard-d | synerg i am through installing the debian imagw |
| 13:07.08 | wizard-d | image |
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| 13:08.04 | jelly | wizard-d: does your irc client not have the Tab-key nickname completion? |
| 13:08.41 | wizard-d | i dont know about that |
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| 13:09.24 | jelly | start typing a person's nickname, sy, then press Tab and a decent client will automatically type their full nickname _correctly_ |
| 13:09.29 | wizard-d | i am a newbie on irc i just registerd this morning |
| 13:10.37 | SynrG | syn<tab> gives better results (and in general, at least three characters is a good habit). more tabs show more choices ... |
| 13:11.24 | wizard-d | it showing me /msg nickserv |
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| 13:19.37 | lram | My wheezy-system has apt 0.9.7.9+deb7u3, and it seems that this is the last version. If I seach packages.debian.org apt 0.9.7.9+deb7u4 is the last version for wheezy. What's wrong? |
| 13:20.01 | jelly | ,v apt |
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| 13:20.03 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze3; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.8; sid: 1.0.9.1; experimental: 1.1~exp2 |
| 13:20.25 | jelly | lram: verify you have deb sources for security repo enabled. |
| 13:20.27 | themill | lram: the 0.9.7.9+deb7u4 package was only uploaded a couple of hours ago |
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| 13:22.46 | Posterdati | petn-randall: ram is ok |
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| 13:23.25 | lram | Ah, forgot to update. |
| 13:23.48 | petn-randall | updating++ |
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| 13:25.05 | lram | Is it advisable to update the package list and use unattended-upgrades (security updates only) hourly? |
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| 13:29.57 | ZenWalker | on gparted -> create partition table -> select new partition table type, What I select from the list for debian ? |
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| 13:31.09 | ZenWalker | msdos? |
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| 13:34.06 | worker123 | Good day, I have written a single custom debian package for a daemon. It works well and consists of several java jar files that are put down by the package. I would like to split the package into multiple parts due to bandwidth constraints. |
| 13:34.14 | worker123 | however, i am worried about the affect of replacing jar's while the daemon is running, what is the best practice for a situation like this ? should i have a master package that depends on all the individual jar packages ? if so, should each individual jar package stop the daemon before it is upgraded ? |
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| 13:34.25 | worker123 | in the single package scenario it was easy, i simply stopped the daemon in the prerm script, however i am not sure what to do with multiple packages |
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| 13:34.35 | worker123 | if i did stop the service for each individual jar package, is there an elegant way to detect when all individual jar packages have been upgraded so that i can start the service again after the last package has been upgraded ? Thanks |
| 13:35.47 | SynrG | worker123: please don't crosspost. on OFTC you've been directed to #debian-mentors which is the appropriate place for this kind of question. |
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| 13:36.04 | worker123 | SynrG, thanks |
| 13:36.23 | worker123 | SynrG, i was referred to OFTC from this channel 8 hours ago |
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| 13:36.45 | wizard-d | synrg i have started installing the debian os |
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| 13:40.00 | wizard-d | synerg answer me pleae |
| 13:40.03 | wizard-d | please |
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| 13:40.20 | thoonai | wizard-d: whats the topic? may I help you? |
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| 13:40.55 | SynrG | wizard-d: i didn't see any question, so i didn't answer ... |
| 13:41.49 | wizard-d | lol so do you mean i must ask a question before you answer? |
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| 13:42.05 | thoonai | wizard-d: WOT? |
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| 13:42.31 | SynrG | wizard-d: generally that's how conversations work, yes. |
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| 13:43.01 | khem_ | my /etc/cron.d jobs doesnt run.. anyone have run into this issue in Debian? |
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| 13:44.01 | wizard-d | ok i am already installing it |
| 13:44.08 | pseubodot | khem_: your cron job doesn't run? what are you seeing in the logs? |
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| 13:47.40 | [robin] | Hello, for some reason suddenly my server is inaccessible from outside of it. |
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| 13:48.24 | [robin] | I have the ports forwarded on my router, firewall off, still. Everything was configured and worked up until recently. |
| 13:48.34 | [robin] | I just left it unattended for a few days. |
| 13:48.55 | SynrG | ran out of disk space? |
| 13:49.07 | [robin] | Nope. |
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| 13:49.31 | SynrG | describe "inaccessible" more particularly |
| 13:49.47 | SynrG | debian wheezy? |
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| 13:50.23 | wizard-d | yes |
| 13:50.45 | SynrG | wizard-d: that was a question for [robin] |
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| 13:51.11 | [robin] | SynrG: Connection refuses if I try to connect to anything but 127.0.0.1. SSH, port 8080 (in place of 80 for apache2), all that. I have those two ports forwarded for anything on my router. net->8080->router->80. Debian Jessie. |
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| 13:51.53 | [robin] | Iceweasel says that it can't establish a connection. |
| 13:52.06 | [robin] | Even if I try connecting to my ip from the same machine that is my server. |
| 13:52.16 | SynrG | [robin]: ah. jessie support is #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net. but otherwise, if it were me, i'd go hunting through my logs ... |
| 13:52.27 | [robin] | Oh right! Logs. |
| 13:52.28 | [robin] | Okay. |
| 13:52.34 | Phyliares | [robin]: does it have public ip address? |
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| 13:52.45 | SynrG | [robin]: but do join us at #debian-next where we can support you better. |
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| 13:53.01 | [robin] | moo |
| 13:53.11 | SynrG | [robin]: and Phyliares makes a good point. running jessie as a public server is not the worlds greatest idea :/ |
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| 13:53.59 | Phyliares | if it is by necessity, you should use pinning instead |
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| 13:54.22 | SynrG | i wouldn't even do that, but use backports. |
| 13:54.30 | Phyliares | why? |
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| 13:55.02 | SynrG | !stable/testing mix |
| 13:55.02 | dpkg | Given the rate of change in testing and the incompatibilities that brings, mixing stable and testing is unlikely to work for most non-trivial programs. Instead, ask me about <backports>. |
| 13:55.17 | Phyliares | !backports |
| 13:55.17 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 13:55.20 | SynrG | Phyliares: in very special cases it might work, but don't bank on it |
| 13:55.42 | Phyliares | well that depends on what you need, but i agree :) |
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| 13:55.51 | SynrG | in some ways, having it work may be more dangerous than having it not work ... |
| 13:56.10 | SynrG | if it works, you then build a dependency on it, and later could be screwed by it. |
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| 13:56.23 | SynrG | if it doesn't work, you simply don't offer that service. |
| 13:56.45 | Phyliares | we are not talking about sid, never had strong problems with testing |
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| 13:57.22 | Phyliares | but you are right, at least for public usage |
| 13:57.52 | [robin] | It's my personal website, if someone tries to break in that just gives me something to do while I drink my morning cup. |
| 13:58.43 | Phyliares | give us you public ip address we tell you if it listen |
| 14:00.12 | [robin] | [Thu Sep 11 21:32:52.730027 2014] [:error] [pid 1426] [client 77.87.78.234:50482] script '/var/www/html/sprawdza.php' not found or unable to stat <-- This is the last mildly suspicious thing I have got before 127.0.0.1 connections from deving my site. |
| 14:00.19 | [robin] | bit.ly/ratsnet |
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| 14:00.44 | [robin] | My domain name is a bitly link. |
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| 14:02.43 | [robin] | SynrG any thoughts on how to fix it? It just magically isn't accessible from anywhere but itself. |
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| 14:04.14 | thoonai | I'm setting up an ldap/kerberos service for user authentication |
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| 14:04.47 | thoonai | and I'm a bit stuck at the point where to connect ldap with kerberos |
| 14:04.54 | [robin] | Phyliares: bit.ly/ratsnet |
| 14:05.11 | Phyliares | [robin]: i think your router does not forward |
| 14:05.25 | SynrG | ip# of the router changed? |
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| 14:05.54 | SynrG | many residential "static" IP#s are only pseudo-static ... |
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| 14:06.28 | SynrG | i.e. they mostly don't change, but if a connection goes down or they need to remap your neighbourhood for some reason ... |
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| 14:07.32 | SynrG | try visiting whatismyip.com or so |
| 14:07.38 | SynrG | (from the server) |
| 14:07.52 | SynrG | or directly observe the settings on your router and note the ip# |
| 14:08.32 | Phyliares | 8080/tcp closed http-proxy |
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| 14:08.55 | Phyliares | ip seems to be good but router doesn't works as expected |
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| 14:10.26 | [robin] | SynrG, nope. My server is this computer on which I am on. It's the box under my desk. I haven't done anything to it lately. |
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| 14:10.56 | SynrG | i still think we should be handling this on the proper support channel. there may be other changes in jessie i'm not remembering that are relevant. |
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| 14:11.00 | Phyliares | thoonai: you need to create a principal service ldap/@DOMAIN using kadmin |
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| 14:11.16 | SynrG | [robin]: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net (don't overlook the network change) |
| 14:12.07 | Phyliares | thoonai: #openldap #kerberos |
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| 14:13.15 | thoonai | Phyliares: nice thanks |
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| 14:15.47 | Phyliares | thoonai: krb5-kdc-ldap is also usefull ;) |
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| 14:24.30 | linux-fox | hi, guys |
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| 14:26.05 | SynrG | !ask |
| 14:26.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:33.45 | norberhuis | How can I make a command(bash script) only accessible for root? I can move it to /usr/bin but then it is also usable by others |
| 14:34.12 | sysvalve | norberhuis: just set 700 or the like |
| 14:34.48 | norberhuis | Does it then autocomplete? |
| 14:34.57 | Phyliares | home made scripts goes to /usr/local/{bin,sbin} |
| 14:34.59 | SynrG | norberhuis: put it in /usr/local/sbin |
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| 14:35.11 | norberhuis | sbin is for sudo? |
| 14:35.13 | SynrG | norberhuis: generally, a user won't have /usr/local/sbin in their path |
| 14:35.33 | SynrG | for superuser, yes |
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| 14:36.26 | norberhuis | Thanks guys |
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| 14:39.10 | petn-randall | norberhuis: /usr/local/sbin is â as SynrG said â the right place for programs run as root. If you put it in /usr/local/bin, it would only autocomplete for users if the x permission bit is set for them. A file belonging to root and with 0700 would then not autocomplete for any other users. |
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| 14:41.22 | norberhuis | petn-randall: tanks for the xtra clarification ion what would happen in /bin |
| 14:41.44 | petn-randall | norberhuis: You're welcome! |
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| 14:58.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Who do I need to bug to request prepackaged tarballs of debootstrapped Debian systems? |
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| 14:59.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | Going through an installer when you don't have debootstrap around is just awful. |
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| 15:00.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or prebuilt disk images, alternatively. |
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| 15:03.39 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: How is that supposed to work? You still need to install a boot loader, run post-install scripts, etc. Prepackaged tarballs won't work without major headaches. |
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| 15:04.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall, you only need to install a bootloader, what else? |
| 15:04.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Post-install stuff supposedly already ran. |
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| 15:05.00 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: And you want to have the same SSH host key globally? |
| 15:05.28 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: And what about things like /etc/fstab, or /etc/network/interfaces, or /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 15:05.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall, I expect no SSH at all. |
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| 15:05.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Those wouldn't exist. |
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| 15:06.10 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: no ssh? serial console, then? |
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| 15:06.40 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: Then it's not an 'install' if it's not bootable. If you need to create a chroot, use debootstrap, that's what it's made for. |
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| 15:06.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, or whatever graphics emulation your VM provides, if you use a VM. |
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| 15:07.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall, debootstrap isn't available everywhere |
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| 15:07.12 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: I somewhat like ssh, though :P |
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| 15:07.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's not supposed to be a full install. |
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| 15:07.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | More like Gentoo's stage3 tarball. |
| 15:07.47 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: debootstrap won't work on all filesystems, either. |
| 15:08.05 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: out of curiosity, what are you planning to use these systems for? |
| 15:08.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, installing Debian without the installer |
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| 15:09.00 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: I was more curious what they were planned to do after the install :P |
| 15:09.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, could be my actual desktop install or a VM I'm bringing up to test stuff. |
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| 15:10.33 | Phyliares | Eduard_Munteanu: presseed can't fit your needs? |
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| 15:11.30 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: but... a debian base install isn't really big... |
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| 15:12.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Phyliares, possibly, but it's slow (at least in Wheezy), it's awkward if you can just supply a shell script to set stuff up and it's pretty much an unflexible way to install Debian IMO. |
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| 15:13.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Because you basically package debootstrap with a limited UI and a rather rigid startup sequence all on a CD. |
| 15:13.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | e.g. ever tried to remaster the CD to change the preseeding? |
| 15:14.04 | RoyK | duplicating a vm image should be troublefree |
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| 15:14.33 | RoyK | then just regenerate ssh host keys if you're using ssh |
| 15:14.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, yeah, if you have one... right now I'm on an Arch host and it sucks going through a rather slow installer to get Wheezy then Jessie. |
| 15:15.18 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: then go through that slow installer just once, fix up the image and ta-taaaaa you have your thing |
| 15:15.24 | RoyK | shouldn't take too long |
| 15:15.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sure. I was wondering why Debian doesn't distribute such tarballs/images directly. |
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| 15:16.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | In many ways it makes more sense than the installer itself, at least for some purposes. |
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| 15:16.43 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: well, there are several vm images out there - I guess there just haven't been enough people asking for this |
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| 15:17.38 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: also, installing the initial template vm doesn't take too long. probably half an hour at most, and then another half hour to fine-tune the system to your needs, and you're done |
| 15:17.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | And they're pretty easy and nice to build with cdebootstrap --foreign |
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| 15:18.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | You don't even need root access that way. |
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| 15:21.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, that is what I'm doing now, yes... but it could be much faster and more convenient for custom setups. |
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| 15:23.12 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: then I suggest you submit this as a bug and help building it. seems you have done some thinking around it, and getting debian better can't be wrong |
| 15:23.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoyK, alright. Any component in particular I should file it against? |
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| 15:23.50 | RoyK | not sure, sorry |
| 15:24.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | I figure the website. |
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| 15:24.05 | RoyK | but please mark it as a feature request |
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| 15:24.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, fair. |
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| 15:26.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'd personally like to see a cross-installer for Debian. Something you can run on any distro / live environment, and which encourages reuse of external tools like gparted rather than reimplementing stuff. |
| 15:27.06 | jordanm | !tell Eduard_Munteanu about debootstrap |
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| 15:28.14 | RoyK | Eduard_Munteanu: that's a known thought and a common problem best described thus http://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| 15:29.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | jordanm, that message seems a tad bit misleading, certainly debootstrap needs dpkg/apt and I don't know of any self-contained, universal debootstrap packages. |
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| 15:30.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Heh, RoyK. |
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| 15:34.48 | sadtaco | I'm getting permission denied on files in /var/log. How do I resolve that? I still get it after I "sudo chmod 750 -R /var/log" unless I'm using that command wrong. |
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| 15:35.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | sadtaco, which files and what owner do they have? |
| 15:35.22 | rozie | sadtaco: whoami |
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| 15:35.39 | rozie | and ls -la on file you don't have access |
| 15:35.52 | sadtaco | /var/log is root:root. I'm not. |
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| 15:36.08 | sadtaco | -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 744075 Sep 19 15:34 /var/log/haraka.log |
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| 15:36.21 | sadtaco | Is there any reason I shouldn't make those writable by anyone? |
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| 15:36.35 | rozie | of course |
| 15:36.40 | sadtaco | Heh |
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| 15:36.45 | sadtaco | Well I want to empty out a log file that's large. |
| 15:36.47 | rozie | and: this is not default Debian setup |
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| 15:36.53 | sadtaco | What is default? |
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| 15:37.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | sadtaco, then gain superuser privs and delete it. Or use something like logrotate to handle it for you. |
| 15:37.24 | rozie | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 wrz 19 11:18 log |
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| 15:37.29 | moopuna | Hello all⦠was curious about some help. I have a Asus Zenbook UX302LA⦠I am trying to install Debian for the first time⦠Coming from Mint⦠I am trying to do a fresh install⦠I am in the graphical installer but when i get to network, it is not detecting my network hardware and giving me a list of a bunch of network drivers⦠I did lspci and it says "Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev6b)... I was just pre |
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| 15:37.42 | rozie | ls -la /var/log/syslog |
| 15:37.43 | rozie | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 124162 wrz 19 17:36 /var/log/syslog |
| 15:38.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | moopuna, got cut off at "(rev6b)... I was just pr" |
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| 15:38.20 | sadtaco | So default is... 755? |
| 15:38.22 | rozie | and in this setup each user in adm group (which is "log access" group) has read access to syslog |
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| 15:38.59 | rozie | but still, if you want to modify the logs, you need to be root |
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| 15:39.30 | rozie | and to modify groups for given user, you need to be root |
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| 15:40.08 | sadtaco | Well I get permission denied even using sudo. How do I gain superuser privs? |
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| 15:41.00 | rozie | ask admin |
| 15:41.09 | sadtaco | I'm admin. I'm just bad at it. |
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| 15:41.26 | rozie | no no no |
| 15:41.28 | rozie | admin has root |
| 15:41.45 | rozie | su |
| 15:41.49 | moopuna | Eduard_Munteanu: I was just saying i got directed here by the other #debian chat ... i am just a little lost how to install new drivers etc... i was directed here https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX301LA#Wireless.2FWifi |
| 15:41.50 | rozie | then root password |
| 15:41.50 | Phyliares | IMHO /topic should talk about debian-reference package and suggests to install it and READING it... |
| 15:42.09 | moopuna | and then here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 and here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:42.39 | sadtaco | I must have forgotten what my root password is. :/ Did try su. |
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| 15:43.53 | Phyliares | sadtaco: are you sudoer? |
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| 15:44.30 | sadtaco | My user can sudo, yes. Like I can chmod the folder. |
| 15:44.37 | rozie | sudo su - |
| 15:44.40 | akp | hello. i have a deb file that i have downloaded |
| 15:45.06 | Phyliares | hell command |
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| 15:45.06 | akp | how would i list what packages that the downloaded deb requires |
| 15:45.18 | Phyliares | but useful in that paricular (rare) case |
| 15:45.32 | sylar | akp, it will tell you what you miss when you try to install it |
| 15:45.43 | sadtaco | how do i exit out then? |
| 15:45.51 | sadtaco | back into the user I was |
| 15:45.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | sadtaco, exit |
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| 15:46.13 | sadtaco | Heh. I guess that should have been obvious. Thanks. |
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| 15:46.13 | Phyliares | akp: dpkg -I package.deb |
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| 15:49.40 | Gemclip | Dual boot windows 8.1 and Debian 7 or VMware? Pro's and cons? |
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| 15:50.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gemclip, depending on your hardware, I'd say VM is likely a better choice |
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| 15:50.37 | SynrG | dual boot. pro: decent graphics performance ... |
| 15:50.56 | SynrG | vmware: con: isn't actually supported here :) |
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| 15:51.07 | SynrG | just depends on your use case. |
| 15:51.11 | Gemclip | my system is an Intel 980x with 24GB mem |
| 15:51.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | e.g. if there's an IOMMU available graphics might be workable even in a VM |
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| 15:51.45 | SynrG | again, use case? are you putting Win 8 in the VM or Debian 7 in the VM? |
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| 15:52.29 | Gemclip | Debian in the VM is what im thinking |
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| 15:52.40 | Posterdati | cannot install debian 7 on a damned intel core2 duo, I hate these windowish products |
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| 15:53.18 | RoyK | Gemclip: I'd choose the OS I use the most as the primary and run a vm for the other(s) |
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| 15:53.27 | SynrG | Gemclip: you short-change yourself a bit in terms of flashier desktop features that really suffer in a VM, but otherwise, there's nothing wrong with that ... personally, i wouldn't run Windows as a host OS, but ... different strokes. |
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| 15:53.38 | RoyK | Gemclip: that is, if you use windows for gaming, keep that as the primary |
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| 15:54.00 | SynrG | or if you use windows only for gaming and having linux running concurrently doesn't matter, dual-boot :) |
| 15:54.14 | Gemclip | I dont really game. Mostly development stuff and education MOOCs |
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| 15:54.57 | SynrG | i see. well, Windows as primary if that's your preferred environment, and linux as a VM. is the Windows box up 24/7? |
| 15:54.59 | RoyK | Gemclip: I'd suggest using linux as the primary, then, but then, I don't like windows, so that's not objectiveness :P |
| 15:55.00 | Gemclip | I was thinking of a hypervisor and virtualizing everything |
| 15:55.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | That makes a Debian host + Win guest rather workable. |
| 15:55.28 | SynrG | but yeah, i'd flip it around, too. but that's just me. |
| 15:55.34 | RoyK | Gemclip: just setup debian with kvm and windows as a kvm vm |
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| 15:55.56 | RoyK | Gemclip: but again, if you spend more time in windows than in linux, use windows as your primary |
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| 15:56.16 | RoyK | (or perhaps choose linux as the primary to wear off those windows habits) |
| 15:56.21 | SynrG | i can't say for the hypervisor. sounds like a sexy solution but i have no experience. |
| 15:56.40 | Gemclip | I am trying to break away from windows mostly but my nix skill arent really up to par yet |
| 15:57.04 | RoyK | Gemclip: I've used windows and linux on the same box, two different monitors, same mouse+kbd at times - windows on one monitor, linux on the other |
| 15:57.05 | SynrG | you probably don't want the added complexity now of a hypervisor and aren't ready yet for the leap to linux as primary, then. |
| 15:57.09 | SynrG | just run linux in the VM |
| 15:57.27 | SynrG | when you gain in skillz, reorganize it to suit your tastes |
| 15:57.47 | RoyK | SynrG: not sure if that's a good idea |
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| 15:57.55 | RoyK | Gemclip: I'd suggest diving into linux |
| 15:58.03 | RoyK | you learn faster when using it as the primary OS |
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| 15:58.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | It also depends whether one of the OSes is going to be "dirty". E.g. if Windows is going to run untrusted software, then it might fare better in a VM. |
| 15:58.27 | RoyK | good point |
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| 15:58.39 | MasterXC | RoyK: You can also be turned off of linux in a heartbeat once you start dealing with finiky drivers |
| 15:58.39 | SynrG | there is that, i suppose. i was just thinking in terms of how vital the windows install is ... he might not be able to suffer downtime from work if underlying linux issues prevent running the guest :p |
| 15:58.40 | somiaj | Gemclip: provided you don't have some windows only software you need to use, the best way to break off is just do it and use debian as your main os, the result is your skills will improve. |
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| 15:59.12 | RoyK | MasterXC: true |
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| 15:59.44 | SynrG | Gemclip: well, there you have it. ask irc for help making a tough decision, and get 20 answers, all different :) |
| 15:59.50 | MasterXC | I had Ubuntu on my home desktop a while ago and switched back when the Nvidia driver kept puking all over the kernel...:p |
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| 15:59.56 | RoyK | SynrG: it's like googling :D |
| 16:00.01 | somiaj | and yes finky linux drivers can be a pain, seems my last two laptops have both had finiky linux wireless drivers. It would be nice to have decent wireless support on my laptop (and here I thoguht intell wireless would be decent, but the card is really new) |
| 16:00.20 | RoyK | Gemclip: what sort of hardware? |
| 16:00.23 | MasterXC | wireless isn't such a big deal with ndiswrapper being fairly common |
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| 16:00.33 | SynrG | ndiswrapper ... ewwwww |
| 16:00.39 | SynrG | ew, ew, ew |
| 16:00.40 | MasterXC | graphics cards are more annoying lol |
| 16:00.41 | Gemclip | Only problem with leaving windows totally is I do a lot of support for it. But I love linux. Right now I run linix in a vm but was wondering if a duel boot might be time. Only issue I see is jumping back and forth between OS's and having to totally leave one environment to go into the other |
| 16:00.44 | somiaj | I haven't seen a driver need ndiswrapper in a long time. |
| 16:00.48 | RoyK | SynrG++ |
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| 16:01.06 | MasterXC | Gemclip: well, you *could* just virtualbox linux for a while |
| 16:01.17 | RoyK | (or vmware) |
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| 16:01.36 | MasterXC | that too |
| 16:01.39 | MasterXC | or hyper-v! |
| 16:01.45 | SynrG | MasterXC: seriously, the only experiences i *ever* had with that were flaky. huge ping times ... unreliable |
| 16:01.54 | SynrG | (ndiswrapper) |
| 16:01.59 | RoyK | MasterXC: IIRC that requires a windows server |
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| 16:02.11 | SynrG | ndiswrapper is a desperate last resort, not a real solution. |
| 16:02.13 | Phyliares | don't we have enough open source solution for virtualization? guys... |
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| 16:02.34 | RoyK | Phyliares: never! |
| 16:02.43 | RoyK | :) |
| 16:02.47 | Phyliares | :) |
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| 16:03.06 | RoyK | again, it's about standards http://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 16:03.06 | Phyliares | vmware won a lot, then, they will die |
| 16:03.10 | Phyliares | HAHAHA |
| 16:03.23 | Gemclip | OK thank you for your input. I am getting readdy to do a clean install so I figured Id ask. Looks like Ill VM linux for a bit longer |
| 16:04.04 | RoyK | Gemclip: why not just try it in a live install first? |
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| 16:04.16 | MasterXC | RoyK: yeah true...Virtual PC in that case |
| 16:04.17 | RoyK | Gemclip: you learn a lot more by running it on a machine |
| 16:04.23 | RoyK | ouch |
| 16:04.31 | MasterXC | ESXi is a decent free one |
| 16:04.48 | MasterXC | The free license gives all the basics for lab work |
| 16:04.52 | RoyK | we use ESXi at work, some 12 nodes with 150ish VMs |
| 16:04.57 | MasterXC | But, I do love vMotion...:3 |
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| 16:05.01 | Phyliares | MasterXC: you should /j #iloveclosedsources |
| 16:05.07 | Phyliares | XD |
| 16:05.11 | MasterXC | meh |
| 16:05.18 | RoyK | MasterXC: vmotion-ish things works well with kvm as well |
| 16:05.35 | MasterXC | As it does with Hyper-V...I only use ESXi because that's what I use at work |
| 16:05.36 | RoyK | MasterXC: perhaps not as fluid, and harder to setup than with vmware, but hell, it works |
| 16:05.51 | MasterXC | We're actually migrating to Hyper-V in the next few months... |
| 16:05.59 | RoyK | why?!? |
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| 16:06.13 | Weapon | :XD |
| 16:06.14 | MasterXC | RoyK: cheaper. |
| 16:06.23 | Phyliares | classic... bad sysadmins :D |
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| 16:06.45 | RoyK | MasterXC: say that in a year ;) |
| 16:06.49 | MasterXC | vSphere web client makes my eyes bleed :( |
| 16:07.15 | MasterXC | or was that flash in general... |
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| 16:07.50 | RoyK | we're still on 5.1, still old vCenter |
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| 16:09.18 | sschopman | Hello all⦠Curious if anyone could help me with my install problems. I am trying to fresh install of debian on a Asus Zenbook UX302LA, I have no other OS on my machine⦠I am working through the graphical installer and when it gets to Network Hardware it doesnt detect anything⦠when I run lspci i see âNetwork controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 6b) which I am guessing is my ethernet card info⦠I was told I need drivers etc and was |
| 16:09.18 | sschopman | directed to these links⦠http://tinyurl.com/pfkrqub ⦠http://tinyurl.com/mor9cz2 and http://tinyurl.com/kshuk36 ⦠I am lost as to how do I install some of these drivers via my USB when my USB is being used for the debian image install⦠I also dont have a working OS currtently installed⦠Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! Been trying to get Debian up and running for a couple days |
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| 16:10.43 | MasterXC | I have 5.5 update 2 to apply soon |
| 16:11.03 | MasterXC | Waiting for the downtime window for hardware upgrades to do it... |
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| 16:11.19 | jhutchins | How do I do something like rm file.[5-10].gz? or specify a range like that with find? |
| 16:11.25 | RoyK | sschopman: a quick google shows a few issues with that nic :P |
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| 16:12.04 | RoyK | jhutchins: rm file.{5..10}.gz # perhaps ? |
| 16:12.09 | somiaj | jhutchins: rm file.{5,6,7,8,9,10}.gz would work, not sure if you can write ranges in there like 5..10 |
| 16:12.18 | RoyK | jhutchins: rm file.{,10}.gz # perhaps ? |
| 16:12.21 | RoyK | jhutchins: rm file.{5,10}.gz # perhaps ? |
| 16:12.22 | RoyK | sorry |
| 16:12.26 | somiaj | yea the 5..10 works |
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| 16:12.29 | somiaj | just tested |
| 16:12.45 | RoyK | yes, {5..10} |
| 16:12.45 | somiaj | for example run echo file.{5..10}.gz |
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| 16:13.50 | sschopman | RoyK: hmm okay i see⦠any insight on how to proceed? |
| 16:14.07 | hecumer | jhutchins, find /path/to/files -name '[5-10].gz -exec rm {} \; |
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| 16:14.35 | jelly | hecumer: dash: unmatched ' |
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| 16:14.50 | hecumer | jhutchins, find /path/to/files -name '[5-10].gz' -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:14.56 | hecumer | my bad |
| 16:15.20 | jelly | now he's just going to have 0.gz deleted |
| 16:15.31 | RoyK | sschopman: not sure. the drivers are in the kernel, anyone, is there a Jessie ISO somewhere? |
| 16:16.41 | RoyK | erm |
| 16:16.54 | RoyK | [] will match single characters |
| 16:16.55 | somiaj | RoyK: the jessie installer can be broken on any given day and usually suggested you upgrade from stable |
| 16:17.17 | RoyK | so [1-123] will match characters 1,2,3 and - |
| 16:17.30 | RoyK | {1..123} will expand to 1,2,3, ... 123 |
| 16:17.40 | somiaj | even in find, it may use different syntax than bash |
| 16:17.59 | RoyK | somiaj: try it |
| 16:18.25 | RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380871/ |
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| 16:19.25 | RoyK | sschopman: afraid to swear in church here, but could you try the ubuntu 14.04.1 installer? It should have a newer kernel |
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| 16:20.26 | centrx | Blasphemy alert |
| 16:20.35 | RoyK | :) |
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| 16:20.38 | sschopman | RoyK: Are you saying to just got with ubuntu instead of Debian⦠or just install ubuntu first to get the kernel update and then try and go back to install Debian? |
| 16:21.06 | RoyK | sschopman: no, I'm just trying to help you sort of if the problem is still in the newer kernel that comes with ubuntu |
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| 16:22.46 | sschopman | RoyK: Sorry for my ignorance but I am not really following you⦠so download ubuntu 14.04 iso and boot it on my system via USB? |
| 16:23.43 | SynrG | this may tell you if the newest kernel in ubuntu *with ubuntu-specific patches* works |
| 16:23.48 | RoyK | sschopman: yes. since ubuntu has a newer kernel, those issues with the network driver may be fixed there. it may be possible to work around that in an older kernel too, such as that supplied by debian, but again, it may not |
| 16:23.48 | SynrG | but i wouldn't generalize that to jessie |
| 16:24.04 | SynrG | it's a poor approximation at best |
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| 16:24.17 | RoyK | SynrG: I know - but ubuntu's patches are mostly the same as those of debian, right? |
| 16:24.22 | SynrG | (ubuntu may have patches debian doesn't and vice versa) |
| 16:24.23 | RoyK | SynrG: anyway - just trying to help out |
| 16:24.39 | SynrG | i wouldn't count on that. they have greatly differing philosophies of kernel maintenance |
| 16:24.43 | RoyK | SynrG: and I have no idea how to help out with driver issues in this case |
| 16:24.54 | SynrG | debian's being generally more conservative |
| 16:25.04 | RoyK | I know |
| 16:25.13 | RoyK | that's why I use debian for servers |
| 16:25.19 | RoyK | and ubuntu for desktops and laptops :P |
| 16:25.25 | SynrG | still. i didn't say it was a useless test |
| 16:25.30 | SynrG | and if easily tried ... sure |
| 16:25.40 | SynrG | generally i find reading changelogs easier though :) |
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| 16:25.55 | Sbroker` | Is a good solution to coment the sources line of chrome until the bug will be fixed ( bug with flash and sockwave) ? |
| 16:25.55 | RoyK | SynrG: not very easy for a newbie ;) |
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| 16:26.12 | SynrG | ture, that. but you're not a newbie, surely? :) |
| 16:26.24 | centrx | sschopman, Ubuntu is not a bad distro to start using Linux with, but there is a good way to do this install with Debian, we are just coming up with a gap in our knowledge |
| 16:26.43 | RoyK | SynrG: not my system :P |
| 16:27.05 | RoyK | SynrG: and I don't care too much about reading changelogs for other peoples issues |
| 16:27.06 | SynrG | as a helper, aspire to a higher standard :) |
| 16:27.11 | RoyK | hehe |
| 16:27.13 | SynrG | yeah, well |
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| 16:27.33 | SynrG | you're a volunteer, i can't *make* you :) |
| 16:27.40 | centrx | Sbroker`, Commenting out the line in sources.list will leave the current version of the software installed, and not present you with upgrades for newer (I assume broken) versions |
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| 16:28.36 | Sbroker` | well just I want, until the new versión with the bug fixed |
| 16:28.58 | sschopman | centrx: I started with ubuntu a few years ago but then switched to mint⦠I have used mint for the past 2 years⦠(I also have fedora on my desktop at home)⦠But this whole problem arose when I wanted to update mint from 16 to 17 earlier this week⦠For some reason my computer wouldnt stop running in âSoftware rendering modeâ and the resolution was brutally low, 800x600 or something, I was trying to troubleshoot that in mint for days and could |
| 16:28.58 | sschopman | no answer and no help⦠So then i just was like âscrew itâ and go for debian⦠I also tried ubuntu earlier this week but for some reason it was just really laggy on my machine, which is not an old or lacking machine by any means, so I didnt like that at all and thats why i turned my head to debian |
| 16:29.03 | SynrG | sschopman: anyway, you can ignore all that (which i really should've taken off-channel anyway) and try ubuntu as RoyK suggested, if you like, with the understanding that the outcome may or may not suggest whether or not a later kernel (e.g. one in jessie, aka 'testing') will work for you |
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| 16:29.09 | sschopman | itâs been a long frustrating week haha |
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| 16:29.19 | SynrG | sschopman: by "all that" i meant my teasing RoyK |
| 16:29.22 | oh_kim | anyone having problems with flash in iceweasel for testing? |
| 16:29.25 | RoyK | SynrG: I'm celebrating 20 years with linux testing/hacking/usage next month ;) |
| 16:29.29 | blixten | how do i get ridd of last login? it's disabled in sshd_config (even rebooted the box) |
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| 16:29.53 | RoyK | blixten: remove the wtmp file? |
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| 16:30.16 | SynrG | blixten: need to cover your tracks? |
| 16:30.22 | SynrG | oops! cover blown |
| 16:30.32 | blixten | SynrG: no, got some new fancy login stuff |
| 16:30.33 | jhutchins | hecumer: Doesn't seem to like the two-digit 10. |
| 16:30.36 | blixten | so this is displayed twice |
| 16:30.42 | jhutchins | got it done though. |
| 16:30.45 | blixten | once with motd.tcl and the ugly default one |
| 16:30.57 | SynrG | blixten: what do you mean by "get rid of last login". maybe it isn't what we think it means ... |
| 16:31.09 | SynrG | blixten: the 'last' command shows a record of last logins |
| 16:31.12 | RoyK | sschopman: I don't mean to say that ubuntu will do it any better, just that if it does, it may say something about the issue |
| 16:31.13 | blixten | the one displayed when ssh to box |
| 16:31.47 | SynrG | and yes, 'wtmp' is responsible for recording those |
| 16:32.00 | blixten | ok, safe to just delete that file? |
| 16:32.14 | blixten | but on other hand, dont know if this motd.tcl will work then :P |
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| 16:32.41 | RoyK | blixten: remove or truncate it or move it aside and create a new one |
| 16:32.41 | sschopman | Royk: I understand⦠like i said⦠i did install ubuntu earlier this week and it all worked fine except for the lag issue⦠so then i turned my head towards debian⦠but again this all stemmed from the situation with Mint 17 putting me in âsoftware rendering modeâ and running on low resolution and I couldnt figure it out⦠|
| 16:32.58 | RoyK | sschopman: was that 14.04? |
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| 16:33.13 | sschopman | Royk: yes |
| 16:33.28 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 16:33.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-1-686-pae (3.16.2-3); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.15-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 16:33.37 | RoyK | sschopman: what lag issue was that? |
| 16:33.39 | SynrG | betting 14.04 doesn't have 3.16 in it |
| 16:33.42 | blixten | okey |
| 16:34.02 | Wizard-d | I installed debian today on vmworkstation and it redirected me to console |
| 16:34.06 | RoyK | SynrG: 3.13 is current |
| 16:34.09 | sschopman | Royk: not sure just the overall experience i was having was laggy⦠working with unity⦠opening the menus etc.. |
| 16:34.28 | RoyK | sschopman: then switch to something else than unity :P |
| 16:34.41 | RoyK | not everyone likes unity |
| 16:34.52 | RoyK | and it takes its toll on cpu and memory |
| 16:34.53 | SynrG | it should be possible to build a sid live image of gnome desktop using the web-based live builder service ... but then again, it could all blow up in your face :) |
| 16:34.59 | SynrG | live.debian.net |
| 16:35.01 | Wizard-d | synrg that's my question |
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| 16:35.23 | blixten | this didnt remove the last login anyway, only "last" command displays nothing |
| 16:35.26 | sschopman | Royk: sure :) I know⦠Id like to not have to use ubuntu at all if i can help it⦠I loved mint⦠but like i said the issue with Mint 17 i was having I couldnt find a remedy⦠so then I really wanted to experience debian but now I am having this network card issue |
| 16:35.27 | dark-jedi | SynrG: I learn more when things blow up. lol |
| 16:35.28 | SynrG | Wizard-d: and then you selected a different install media and reinstalled using that? |
| 16:35.28 | blixten | it's something else in play here |
| 16:35.31 | RoyK | SynrG: ugh - sid is evil |
| 16:35.39 | SynrG | RoyK: your point? |
| 16:35.45 | SynrG | this is just a proof of principle |
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| 16:35.48 | RoyK | kid that breaks toys :) |
| 16:35.56 | SynrG | and did i say "live image"? so ... minimal risk there |
| 16:36.01 | RoyK | sure |
| 16:36.29 | SynrG | if this image, which is built around a 3.16 kernel, works, you know there's a chance a testing/unstable mix (Which is saner for an end-user to use) might work |
| 16:36.43 | RoyK | sschopman: I beleive SynrG's suggestion should be tested |
| 16:37.06 | SynrG | i do know of one outstanding bug for gnome images, and that is due to a RC bug in gdm3, autologin will fail ... |
| 16:37.20 | RoyK | sschopman: anyway what sort of wifi adapter was this? |
| 16:37.30 | SynrG | you have to drop to shell, fix /etc/X11/default-window-manager (put /usr/sbin/gdm3 in it) and then /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 16:37.42 | RoyK | does anyone use autologon? |
| 16:37.47 | SynrG | live images do |
| 16:37.53 | RoyK | erm - yes |
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| 16:38.03 | SynrG | and i think without this, it will be non-obvious how to even start the gui |
| 16:38.26 | SynrG | so as a diagnostic, it, erhm ... has rough edges :) |
| 16:38.28 | sschopman | Royk: suggestion meaning live.debian.net? Not sure on wifi adapter |
| 16:38.44 | SynrG | oh, and wifi. yeah, that's something else. if you need non-free firmware ... |
| 16:38.59 | SynrG | but one thing at a time? can you just do an ethernet-only test with it? |
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| 16:39.18 | SynrG | i can tell you what *does* work, because i've been testing it all week |
| 16:39.22 | RoyK | needs to read http://what-if.xkcd.com/ for a while |
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| 16:39.39 | SynrG | select amd64 architecture, select amd64 kernel flavour (note: hidden behind the chroot options fold) ... |
| 16:39.45 | SynrG | select "Cinnamon desktop" |
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| 16:39.49 | SynrG | and select sid |
| 16:40.12 | SynrG | for me, this produces a usable Cinnamon desktop image with 3.16 kernel that boots fine and does autologin |
| 16:40.15 | novaflash | anyone able to help me with an issue where python-minimal will not finish installing and will not be removed for a reinstall either? |
| 16:40.22 | SynrG | (cinnamon uses lightdm, not the currently broken gdm3) |
| 16:40.33 | sschopman | SynrG: are you directing this all to me? |
| 16:40.42 | SynrG | sschopman: yes, if you want to try that :) |
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| 16:40.51 | SynrG | sschopman: it sounds a bit crazy but just might work |
| 16:41.22 | SynrG | sschopman: if this proof of principle works, it may be worth your time to go with jessie + sid kernel |
| 16:42.03 | SynrG | sschopman: if the build fails, give me a link to the log/config and i'll see if i can figure it out |
| 16:42.11 | SynrG | but this worked yesterday ... |
| 16:43.22 | SynrG | sschopman: what's the main issue? ethernet driver is unsupported, yes? |
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| 16:44.26 | Wizard-d | Synrg: did you just answer my question? |
| 16:45.00 | SynrG | sschopman: oh, hell. i just checked back at your links and there is firmware-iwlwifi ... why didn't anyone tell me this? that's an easy fix |
| 16:45.08 | SynrG | !firmware image |
| 16:45.08 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 16:46.19 | SynrG | [13:35:28] <SynrG> Wizard-d: and then you selected a different install media and reinstalled using that? |
| 16:46.29 | SynrG | Wizard-d: i never saw you confirm or deny this |
| 16:46.58 | sschopman | SynrG: O okay.. so what do i do? haha sorry i just need soemone to hold my hand through all this |
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| 16:48.20 | SynrG | sschopman: well, the URL points at a Wheezy image that contains firmware that should support your card. |
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| 16:48.31 | SynrG | sschopman: it should go better for you than the last attempt. |
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| 16:48.59 | SynrG | sschopman: if you have very little bandwidth, there are ways to do this without downloading a whole new image, but the unofficial install image is simplest |
| 16:49.08 | sschopman | SynrG: okay cool⦠I guess I am just confused as to how to get that image onto my machine using a USB if my USB is also being used for the debian install? |
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| 16:49.28 | SynrG | it's to use *instead* of the image you're using to do the debian install. |
| 16:49.35 | sschopman | aahhhh |
| 16:49.50 | SynrG | that's what i'm saying ... you can do it with the image you have if you need to avoid the download ... |
| 16:49.53 | SynrG | but this way is simplest |
| 16:50.03 | sschopman | so when i boot that image up on my machine via USB i will get the same debian install screens |
| 16:50.08 | SynrG | yep |
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| 16:50.15 | SynrG | but this time with working ethernet |
| 16:50.18 | Wizard-d | Synrg have you answerd my question |
| 16:50.24 | SynrG | (crossing fingers and knocking on wood :) |
| 16:50.38 | SynrG | Wizard-d: twice. shall i attempt again a third time? |
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| 16:51.00 | akp | sylar: doesn't seem to.... |
| 16:51.12 | SynrG | Wizard-d: i never saw you confirm or deny if you downloaded a different install media and tried to install using that ... |
| 16:51.32 | SynrG | Wizard-d: that is what i advised before. but if you did, you never told me *which* install media you selected this time |
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| 16:51.34 | Wizard-d | Yes I mistakinly logged out the other time please |
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| 16:52.53 | Wizard-d | Debian CD ISO file for 32bit |
| 16:53.02 | SynrG | Wizard-d: if you installed from media including a desktop, it should boot to a desktop login. if it doesn't, you might have to install drivers for your VM (though without a network, you'll need to arrange some way to get them there ... |
| 16:53.09 | sschopman | SynrG: this link correct? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:53.23 | SynrG | Wizard-d: which specific CD, please. there are many |
| 16:53.39 | SynrG | Wizard-d: if it is the netinst, that requires a network as i explained before. |
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| 16:54.12 | SynrG | sschopman: are you just going to go forward with the installer image you have, then, and install this by sneakernet? |
| 16:54.41 | SynrG | sschopman: that's the wheezy-backports one that matches the wheezy-backports kernel, however. |
| 16:54.42 | sschopman | SynrG: no idea haha⦠no idea how to do that? I am doing whatever you recommend ha |
| 16:54.51 | Wizard-d | I don't really remember the one I downloaded |
| 16:55.07 | sylar | akp, in packages.debian.org you can search for the package and there is a list of other packages it depends on there |
| 16:55.07 | SynrG | Wizard-d: check your browser history, then. |
| 16:55.30 | SynrG | sschopman: what i had suggested is you start fresh from: |
| 16:55.33 | SynrG | !firmware image |
| 16:55.33 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 16:55.35 | Wizard-d | I have left the office I am at home know |
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| 16:56.06 | SynrG | Wizard-d: so login, then, and do some exploring. |
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| 16:56.27 | sschopman | SynrG: okay how do i go about doing that⦠could you point me to where the file image is that i need to download to do that? |
| 16:56.39 | SynrG | Wizard-d: that will tell you quickly enough if the packages we expect to be there for a desktop are present. try, for instance, apt-cache policy task-desktop |
| 16:57.02 | SynrG | Wizard-d: if that says Installed: (none) then you didn't install a desktop. |
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| 16:57.29 | SynrG | Wizard-d: if that shows a version# instead, then you did install a desktop and the only problem is the missing driver for your VM |
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| 16:58.09 | SynrG | sschopman: using the URL above? ah, i see. it points to a top-level directory ... 64-bit? |
| 16:58.18 | sschopman | yes 64bit |
| 16:58.38 | SynrG | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:59.34 | sschopman | SynrG: Okay so download that file and burn it to my USB and then boot the usb to my machine? |
| 16:59.52 | pankgeorg | Hello everyone, I have 2 Network WIFI cards, one @ 54Mbps and one @ 150Mbps. I want to use the second for connecting to my router but I can either get both connected or none. When I press the Turn Off button on Network Manager they both close the connection. Any ideas? Debian Jessie on amd64. |
| 17:00.00 | SynrG | sschopman: that's the general idea, yeah |
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| 17:00.33 | sschopman | okay great thanks SynrG⦠Ill get this going now and hopefully something good happens haha |
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| 17:01.04 | SynrG | pankgeorg: can't you just click on the wifi widget on the desktop and selectively disable the one card from there? |
| 17:01.13 | SynrG | oh, i see, that's what you just said ... |
| 17:01.20 | Wizard-d | Synrg: I logged in but it still takes mw to the console |
| 17:01.25 | SynrG | pankgeorg: and see #debian-next @ testing/unstable in any case |
| 17:01.35 | SynrG | arggh, garbled |
| 17:01.43 | SynrG | pankgeorg: and see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for support for testing/unstable in any case |
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| 17:02.05 | SynrG | Wizard-d: yes. but what was the output of the command i asked you to type? |
| 17:02.23 | SynrG | Wizard-d: my goal right now is just collecting information about the state of your system. nothing more |
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| 17:03.45 | pankgeorg | SynrG, When I do that, the both disable. I'll check the channel out. |
| 17:04.33 | bubak | hi, i am long time debian-unstable user, now my Python interpreter ends with xml.sax._exceptions.SAXReaderNotAvailable: No parsers found -- it seems everything is in place (expat library, expat python binding, ...) -- does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 17:05.12 | SynrG | sschopman: crap, i think i've sent you down the wrong road ... |
| 17:05.22 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b1] |
| 17:05.24 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 |
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| 17:05.29 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b1] --release jessie |
| 17:05.30 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 17:05.33 | sschopman | SynrG: uh oh⦠Im stopping haha |
| 17:05.39 | sschopman | Where do i go? |
| 17:05.47 | SynrG | sschopman: so, i checked more of the backlog and dug this stuff up from what you said earlier ... |
| 17:06.00 | SynrG | yes, iwlwifi + the firmware are needed. and yes, jessie should support it fine |
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| 17:06.12 | Wizard-d | Synrg: when I get hold of the pc I will contact you I have screen shot the chat so I will do the commands later |
| 17:06.13 | SynrG | so you would need an unofficial firmware image for jessie instead. |
| 17:06.35 | SynrG | Wizard-d: fine. that will help. but address the channel here, not me in particular. i don't live on irc :) |
| 17:06.38 | SynrG | i only *seem* to |
| 17:06.48 | SynrG | (i can stop anytime i want! honestly!) |
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| 17:07.02 | sschopman | Ok SynrG where do i go for that ? |
| 17:07.19 | SynrG | sschopman: this is the sound of me typing furiously |
| 17:07.26 | Wizard-d | Ok so how will I contact you in particular |
| 17:07.28 | SynrG | *clackclackclack* |
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| 17:07.57 | SynrG | Wizard-d: i just told you not to. you can highlight me if you wish, but then ask the channel for help, not me ... as i don't do private help sessions. |
| 17:08.03 | sschopman | hahahaha okay. sorry donât mean to rush ya! I really appreciate all the guidance |
| 17:08.07 | SynrG | np |
| 17:09.08 | SynrG | sschopman: the problem is, i wouldn't ordinarily recommend an end-user use jessie :/ |
| 17:09.11 | SynrG | but http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_beta_1/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-jessie-DI-b1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:09.18 | SynrG | and note this is a beta image, not a final release |
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| 17:09.43 | SynrG | on the other hand, it seems like the fastest way to get you where you want to be. |
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| 17:10.02 | sschopman | SynrG forgive my massive ignorance but what is Jessie? |
| 17:10.11 | SynrG | sschopman: but since you seem to have very new hardware, it might save you a lot of grief |
| 17:10.18 | SynrG | !jessie |
| 17:10.18 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 17:10.30 | SynrG | sschopman: the next debian release. not yet released ... |
| 17:10.40 | sschopman | ahhhh okay |
| 17:10.49 | SynrG | and supported on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 17:10.50 | Wizard-d | Pleade. Synrg |
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| 17:11.28 | SynrG | Wizard-d: that is non-negotiable. i *do not* do private help sessions. if i'm around and you ask, i may help ... |
| 17:11.41 | centrx | Wizard-d, just come back here when you're ready, someone will probably be here |
| 17:11.47 | SynrG | Wizard-d: but there are many capable helpers here. i am a volunteer ... with limited time and energy |
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| 17:13.17 | jhutchins | I know some package managers tell you how much space will be used after install by the packages you have requestd. Tbh I don't even know if aptitude does that, haven't paid attention. Is there a way to query dpkg for the space used by all installed packages? |
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| 17:14.14 | Wizard-d | Ok thanks guys |
| 17:14.32 | sschopman | SynrG: I ran the usb on my machine and just got through the graphical install and still doesnt detect network hardware |
| 17:14.59 | sschopman | it still lists a bunch |
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| 17:17.15 | Wizard-d | I will get in touch with you later |
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| 17:18.48 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:20.16 | DexterF | does someone know the typical power consumption of a FC switch like 24 port 8/8 HP Storage Works? (#hardware is busy discussing nevada brothels) |
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| 17:23.12 | centrx | now they're talking about batman vs superman |
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| 17:24.23 | SynrG | sschopman: humm. this is puzzling, as the jessie installer should definitely support it, according to judd ... |
| 17:24.35 | SynrG | sschopman: oh, except ... that beta was rolled a while back ... |
| 17:24.51 | SynrG | scrolling back to the link judd gave ... |
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| 17:25.44 | sschopman | SynrG: I will be back in a little bit⦠grabbing lunch real quick!⦠If you could PM me a link that would be fantastic! |
| 17:25.48 | sschopman | bbs |
| 17:25.52 | SynrG | sschopman: crap, i thought the presence of a link meant support, but ... |
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| 17:26.02 | SynrG | sschopman: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 indicates nothing. empty table :( |
| 17:26.14 | SynrG | sschopman: that doesn't mean that the sid kernel doesn't support it, however. |
| 17:26.27 | SynrG | sschopman: but to test that, we need an even newer, more bleeding edge image. |
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| 17:28.16 | SynrG | sschopman: this is supposed to be for intrepid developers/testers only: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20140919-5/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:19.31 | sschopman | Hello SynrG Iâm back from lunch⦠do you want me to download this? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20140919-5/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:23.29 | SynrG | sschopman: it can't hurt |
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| 18:23.53 | sschopman | Alright ill give it a try |
| 18:23.56 | SynrG | sschopman: two unknowns for me. one is i still don't know if 3.16 would solve it (the support site only shows wheezy/jessie info) ... |
| 18:24.10 | SynrG | sschopman: and two is i don't know if that image actually includes a 3.16 kernel. |
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| 18:24.24 | SynrG | sschopman: it might simply be built on sid, but contain a jessie kernel :/ |
| 18:24.33 | SynrG | so we may be no further ahead |
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| 18:24.56 | SynrG | if you can boot it and drop to a shell and report what 'uname -r' says, that would be cool |
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| 18:25.23 | SynrG | (ctrl-alt-f3 or so to get a shell? i forget the exact vc that works) |
| 18:25.30 | SynrG | that or f4 |
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| 18:28.58 | sschopman | ok will do SynrG |
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| 18:33.59 | jhutchins | Isn't hardware support in a given kernel version mostly an upstream issue at kernel.org? Shouldn't they have a hardware support database like judd? |
| 18:34.31 | SynrG | probably? we have no easy pointers to it from here. |
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| 18:35.27 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b1] --release sid |
| 18:35.28 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 |
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| 18:35.43 | SynrG | this is curious, as there is: |
| 18:35.47 | sschopman | Hey SynrG uname -r returns me â3.16-1-amd64â |
| 18:35.47 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b1] --release jessie |
| 18:35.48 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 18:36.24 | SynrG | so how do we go from "is recognized as iwlwifi" in jessie to "but not recognized at all in sid"? |
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| 18:36.52 | SynrG | let me try something else: |
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| 18:37.01 | SynrG | ,pciid [1969:1062] --release sid |
| 18:37.02 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
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| 18:37.12 | SynrG | ,pciid [1969:1062] --release jessie |
| 18:37.14 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'atl1c' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
| 18:37.22 | SynrG | so i think the sid results are bogus :( |
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| 18:37.35 | SynrG | this is my own ethernet for my netbook. |
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| 18:38.03 | SynrG | jhutchins: if judd were taught sid's kernel, we'd be fine |
| 18:38.16 | SynrG | sschopman: and great. |
| 18:38.27 | SynrG | sschopman: so i guess now, the acid test |
| 18:39.36 | sschopman | SynrG so go ahead and try to install? |
| 18:39.43 | SynrG | oh, for sure. |
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| 18:40.12 | NoirX | how to know which debian version i have please |
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| 18:42.47 | DexterF | NoirX: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 18:43.01 | NoirX | DexterF, ok thanks |
| 18:43.20 | DexterF | oh, cat /etc/debian_version , _, not - |
| 18:43.58 | NoirX | got it |
| 18:44.12 | NoirX | i have 7.6 :) |
| 18:44.37 | NoirX | tnx |
| 18:45.20 | NoirX | does debian has shell browser or shell irc client standard |
| 18:45.44 | sschopman | SynrG: still no luck⦠âNo ethernet card was detected" |
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| 19:02.47 | BullHorn | can you guys help me install debian, as simple as possible and preferably with 0 effect on my current machine |
| 19:02.50 | BullHorn | a livecd or whatever |
| 19:03.07 | BullHorn | i have an issue with my motherboard or perhaps windows where for some reason, download speeds wont go above 2mbps |
| 19:03.15 | BullHorn | devices connected via wifi easily go at 10mbps+ |
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| 19:03.47 | BullHorn | the issue started after i used some 'advanced' features in a video streaming software (OBS) that possibly changed the way packets are sent from the NIC to the router |
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| 19:04.07 | BullHorn | i acquired a backup PCIE NIC to make sure its not the onboard NIC that died but the issue is the same ;/ |
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| 19:04.25 | jhutchins | NoirX: You mean like lynx and irssi? Both are available, lynx might be installed by default. |
| 19:05.23 | jhutchins | !live |
| 19:05.23 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 19:10.05 | NoirX | jhutchins, pk |
| 19:10.07 | mechanicalduck | Question: How can I set setfacl back to default? |
| 19:10.19 | mechanicalduck | I played with it and now newly created directories got mangled permissions |
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| 19:13.59 | mechanicalduck | anyone? |
| 19:14.08 | BullHorn- | nevermind guys |
| 19:14.09 | BullHorn- | i solved it |
| 19:14.10 | BullHorn- | fucking |
| 19:14.11 | BullHorn- | asus |
| 19:14.14 | BullHorn- | im going to choke a bitch |
| 19:14.23 | BullHorn- | their drivers CD installed the AI Suite III |
| 19:14.31 | BullHorn- | and with that, it also installed some shit called Network iControl |
| 19:14.35 | BullHorn- | i have no idea what it is supposed to do |
| 19:14.39 | BullHorn- | but it fucking destroyed my internet |
| 19:14.42 | BullHorn- | brb writing hatemail |
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| 20:01.29 | zoidberg1 | Hello all, I am using debian as a router and i have a draytek vigor ethernet modem using ppp0 - for some reason something keeps changing the dns to the isps - i run my own dns server so would like it to be an internal addy, but no matter what it keeps changing and im not sure how to track it down.. i've checked all configs but all my attempts it still changes!? :( anyone have any idea |
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| 20:03.12 | dmi3on | how do I know if mirror is legitimate ? http://mirror.pcbeta.com/google/chrome/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-stable/ |
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| 20:05.25 | MasterXC | dmi3on: could always do a md5sum of that one and the official site: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/google_chrome/stable/main/base/google-chrome-stable |
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| 20:06.20 | xor-freenet | the file "mini.iso" at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ is dated 2014-04-24. debian 7.6 was released 2014-07-12. does that mean that the mini.iso is not maintained anymore or is it just that there were no changes to it? |
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| 20:09.13 | MasterXC | xor-freenet: someone else might have a better answer, but I think it's because it just hasn't changed. The mini iso is basically the bootloader and the debian installer ...all the 7.6 packages are installed after |
| 20:10.21 | dmi3on | MasterXC: i can see anywhere there checksums :( |
| 20:10.26 | dmi3on | i need older version |
| 20:10.27 | xor-freenet | MasterXC: yea well i'm suspecting that, but usually the release process of a new version includes to re-build all ISOs, doesn't it? |
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| 20:10.56 | xor-freenet | MasterXC: and the checksum should change in theory because somewhere the version number should be included on the ISO... |
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| 20:11.21 | dmi3on | i need to check this version google-chrome-stable_36.0.1985.143-1_amd64.deb |
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| 20:12.20 | dmi3on | so far almost all program's have issues :( and i am not using much heh, takes a while to get use to fix everything or configure on a fly |
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| 20:17.45 | MasterXC | xor-freenet: It's easy enough for the installer to ping the mirror for the software version it should be looking for (those Content.gz files), so they may not have to rebuild them if nothing's changed. |
| 20:18.09 | MasterXC | dmi3on: the pcbeta mirror is pretty common, so provided it's a signed package it should be a safe mirror |
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| 20:18.56 | xor-freenet | MasterXC: thanks... any idea where i can get a definite answer to this? |
| 20:18.59 | dmi3on | MasterXC: you mean when i am installing it will be checked by apt-get ? |
| 20:19.04 | twanny796 | how do I use apt-get to search for a package? |
| 20:19.12 | zoidberg1 | Hello all, I am using debian as a router and i have a draytek vigor ethernet modem using ppp0 - for some reason something keeps changing the dns to the isps - i run my own dns server so would like it to be an internal addy, but no matter what it keeps changing and im not sure how to track it down.. i've checked all configs but all my attempts it still changes!? :( anyone have any idea |
| 20:19.20 | MasterXC | twanny796: I like aptitude search for that :) |
| 20:19.34 | MasterXC | xor-freenet: uh...debian's mailing list? |
| 20:20.19 | xor-freenet | MasterXC: isn't there a channel where the developers hang out? |
| 20:20.21 | MasterXC | dmi3on: yes, apt checks for package signatures |
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| 20:21.31 | MasterXC | xor-freenet: this one I believe. if you wait around you might get an answer that's 100% |
| 20:21.32 | MasterXC | :P |
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| 20:21.54 | twanny796 | MasterXC, 10q |
| 20:22.29 | MasterXC | ? |
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| 20:23.47 | xor-freenet | MasterXC: ok thanks |
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| 20:28.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i need some links created at boot and test some mounts. i got them in ascript but i dont know where to put them cron? init? |
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| 20:30.03 | openwrtnoob | Hi, I changed the file limits in /etc/security/limits.conf and enabled pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 20:30.13 | rryoumaa | when i plug in my external hard drive, it does not get recognized. it does not show up in /dev/disks. what software is responsible for this? |
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| 20:30.19 | openwrtnoob | Do I need to reboot the server to enact the new open file limits for all users? |
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| 20:33.34 | grubles | is there a separate jessie channel? |
| 20:34.05 | dondelelcaro | grubles: there's #debian-next, but you can still ask testing questions here too |
| 20:34.17 | grubles | ok I think I can find my answer on google |
| 20:35.01 | grubles | it's an issue with xfce battery notification |
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| 20:37.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | openwrtnoob, they have to relogin at least, I think |
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| 20:38.20 | openwrtnoob | Eduard_Munteanu: relogin is difficult for a service (couchdb) :-) |
| 20:38.45 | openwrtnoob | I tried restarting the service, but in the log I still see a lot of closing and opening of files. |
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| 20:58.13 | goldenlight | quick, i need a random number |
| 20:58.24 | dvheumen | 99 |
| 20:58.37 | goldenlight | thanks |
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| 21:02.27 | dimitry7 | hello guys, how can I configure the action when the lid is closed in debian 7? |
| 21:02.52 | dimitry7 | tried in system settings but the option is NOT there |
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| 21:22.25 | KjetilK | I'm struggling with the new router I'm setting up with Wheezy |
| 21:22.42 | KjetilK | my Internet is on eth0, LAN on eth1 and a DMZ on eth3, it is the box I have on eth3 that's causing problems |
| 21:23.03 | KjetilK | dhcpdump -i eth3 sees the DHCPDISCOVER |
| 21:23.11 | KjetilK | In syslog, I see |
| 21:23.22 | KjetilK | Sep 19 23:14:32 kanga dnsmasq-dhcp[5146]: DHCPDISCOVER(eth3) 172.22.192.2 00:30:48:fc:72:62 |
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| 21:23.30 | KjetilK | Sep 19 23:14:32 kanga dnsmasq-dhcp[5146]: DHCPOFFER(eth3) 172.22.192.2 00:30:48:fc:72:62 |
| 21:23.38 | KjetilK | so, it seems it sends offers, but the client does take it... |
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| 21:27.25 | zoidberg1 | Hello all, I am using debian as a router and i have a draytek vigor ethernet modem using ppp0 - for some reason something keeps changing the dns to the isps - i run my own dns server so would like it to be an internal addy, but no matter what it keeps changing and im not sure how to track it down.. i've checked all configs but all my attempts it still changes!? :( anyone have any idea |
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| 21:37.20 | Zealot1 | hi all! Somebody did use tails with USB modems? |
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| 21:39.05 | sylar | anyone know if I can use dpkg-buildpackage if I change the source? |
| 21:39.44 | KjetilK | sylar, yeah, I've done that myself in the past |
| 21:39.49 | KjetilK | long time ago, though |
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| 21:43.07 | sylar | I removed the orig.tar.xz file after unpacking it, so its content won't overwrite my modifications and got dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found |
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| 21:44.21 | sylar | if I have the orig file I get this message: dpkg-source: info: building linux using existing ./linux_3.2.57.orig.tar.xz |
| 21:44.31 | KjetilK | sylar, OK, I'm not that familiar with the details, perhaps you should wait for someone more familiar with it |
| 21:44.37 | sylar | which make me think that it is going to overwrite my changes |
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| 21:45.01 | sylar | ok |
| 21:45.24 | KjetilK | sylar, ah, for the kernel, there's a kernel-package package you can use |
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| 21:46.02 | KjetilK | though 11 years old and somewhat dated, I still find this article useful: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:46.07 | Zealot1 | Somebody did use tails with USB modems? |
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| 21:52.14 | sylar | Applying patch features/all/rt/0113-mm-convert-swap-to-percpu-locked.patch 1 out of 8 hunks FAILED |
| 21:52.19 | ubitus | Hi everyone, I've got a question that I'm rather stuck with and to which I haven't found a solution using the usual means (google, etc.). The problem is as follows: After every reboot the network manager connects to my WLAN just fine, however I can't access anything over the connection. Once I shutdown eth0 (my wired-ethernet connection) using "ifdown eth0" as root all is fine. What could the reason for this be? It seems that an incorrect ro |
| 21:52.19 | ubitus | ute is still set before shutting down eth0, I'm sure this is not meant to be the case. Any pointers where I could start looking to locate the problem? (I'm using testing) |
| 21:52.53 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: most likely you have two default routes set |
| 21:52.58 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: that's not going to work |
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| 21:54.02 | ubitus | hmm where would those two default routes be set? I've not manually changed anything in my network configurations (I'm using KDE network-manager) |
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| 22:01.05 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: one is set by dhclient (or whatever you're using in network manager), and the other is set by /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:01.21 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: if you're using network manager, you probably want it to manage eth0 as well as your wlan interface |
| 22:01.45 | dondelelcaro | (this isn't done by default to keep a perfectly working eth0 interface from being broken by the installation of network manager) |
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| 22:05.39 | ubitus | ok, so I'll have to comment out the section relating to eth0 in /etc/network/intercaces ? |
| 22:06.10 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: or just not bring it up |
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| 22:09.04 | ubitus | what are the pros/cons of either approach ? |
| 22:09.43 | ubitus | and how would I avoid that it was brough up? I don't have a cable connected to it so I'm wondering why it is brought up at all |
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| 22:11.53 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: you can just remove or comment out the auto eth0; line |
| 22:12.01 | dondelelcaro | ubitus: and that will keep it from being brought up automatically |
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| 22:14.12 | tharkun | I recall there was a live distro that was based on Debian stable and one that was based on testing. Very usefull when you crashed your system and booting was a problem. Can someone recall the names? |
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| 22:15.31 | rryoumaa | knoppix was based on debian something or other, at least. but debian has a live distro. |
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| 22:16.05 | rryoumaa | knoppix might ahve not been stable, dunno |
| 22:16.41 | tharkun | rryoumaa: I'm sure it wasn't knoppix but thanks anyway. |
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| 22:21.20 | ubitus | thanks I'll give that a go |
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| 22:28.59 | sylar | now I got: dpkg-source: error: unrepresentable changes to source ; on the original package without any modifications :/ |
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| 22:30.53 | Sia- | any idea what's missing her with compiling http://paste.debian.net/122017/ |
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| 22:34.38 | sylar | rr http://http.debian.net squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main Sources |
| 22:34.38 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.51 | sylar | Err |
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| 22:36.15 | sylar | Err http://http.debian.net squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main i386 Packages |
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| 22:37.23 | sylar | I have this problem^ with the backports, and I am on amd not i386 |
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| 22:42.08 | hercumer | Sia-, try adding '-mfloat-abi=softfp', not guaranteed |
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| 23:10.47 | Sia- | added to what hercumer ? |
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| 23:13.13 | hercumer | to your compiler switches |
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| 23:13.59 | Sia- | ok |
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| 23:23.03 | zoidberg1 | Hello all, I am using debian as a router and i have a draytek vigor ethernet modem using ppp0 - for some reason something keeps changing the dns to the isps - i run my own dns server so would like it to be an internal addy, but no matter what it keeps changing and im not sure how to track it down.. i've checked all configs but all my attempts it still changes!? :( anyone have any idea |
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