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| 00:00.36 | rockyroad | no I gave up the idea. I was trying cinnamon on top of jessie |
| 00:01.46 | Brigo | i think cinnamon is a good interface, but i have never used it yet. |
| 00:02.01 | rockyroad | but maybe the upgrade was incomplete ... |
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| 00:02.44 | Brigo | rockyroad, then you are using gdm3 as display manager. If i am right you can stop it with service gdm3 stop |
| 00:02.58 | rockyroad | I liked mint's look and its promises to handle more recent hw |
| 00:03.00 | Brigo | are you using initsys or systemd? :) |
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| 00:04.10 | Brigo | than wheezy may be, than testing i doubt it. Hardware support is a kernel's work, so you only need a newer kernel and in testing the kernels are quite news. |
| 00:04.17 | rockyroad | ... ps tells about systemd |
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| 00:07.37 | rockyroad | the command succeeded but it doesn't seem to disconnect the x sessions |
| 00:07.56 | rockyroad | or the display is frozen |
| 00:09.04 | Brigo | rockyroad, may be you are using other DM, try the ps ax and search for it. |
| 00:09.08 | banre | tried using android sdk emulator but could not get it to work |
| 00:11.42 | banre | having trouble getting the system images to work |
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| 00:17.59 | rockyroad | I just rebooted after apt-get upgrade. The fonts are there for now but no mouse pointer, no key seem active |
| 00:18.57 | rockyroad | although both were ok at login screen, so I could log in |
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| 00:22.53 | rockyroad | I'm able to do things from the text consoles though (Ctrl+alt+F2 eg) |
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| 00:24.07 | Brigo | rockyroad, support for testing and sid on debian-next channel, in oftc server. |
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| 00:28.17 | Seldon75 | hi, I can't see my DNS and Gateway settings when I run 'ifconfig wlan0' - how do I view these settings? |
| 00:29.05 | Brigo | Seldon75, the gateway with route command and the dns is in /etc/resolv.conf file |
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| 00:31.42 | Seldon75 | thanks |
| 00:32.21 | Seldon75 | it says: search local |
| 00:32.25 | Seldon75 | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | that's your router |
| 00:32.38 | Seldon75 | ok |
| 00:32.45 | Seldon75 | so that's the DNS entry? |
| 00:32.51 | Seldon75 | I need to add gateway I guess |
| 00:33.00 | Seldon75 | same IP |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | Seldon75: what isn't working? |
| 00:33.10 | Seldon75 | I can't ping google |
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| 00:33.33 | Seldon75 | i am on the LAN though |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | ping is a useless test, does the website work? |
| 00:33.41 | Seldon75 | running headless |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | use a text browser |
| 00:34.09 | Seldon75 | for instance, I can't wget from the internet |
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| 00:34.27 | abrotman | w3m is typically installed |
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| 00:36.15 | abrotman | Seldon75: can you reach your gateway? |
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| 00:36.47 | Seldon75 | abrotman: yes, I can ping it |
| 00:36.58 | Seldon75 | I'm actually ssh-ed into the box from another PC on my LAN |
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| 00:37.08 | abrotman | Seldon75: dig -t A +short www.google.com |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | Seldon75: dig -t A +short www.google.com @8.8.8.8 |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | run both commands, compare answers |
| 00:37.50 | Seldon75 | dig: command not found |
| 00:38.14 | Seldon75 | i should point out |
| 00:38.32 | Seldon75 | it's a RaspBMC distro (based on Debian) |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | Seldon75: then ask them, we don't support that here. |
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| 00:41.06 | abrotman | Seldon75: try #raspbmc, good luck |
| 00:41.39 | Seldon75 | ok - I just thought it would be the same answer as for a minimal Debian Wheezy installation |
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| 00:53.19 | hiyo | I deleted the config files for asterisk manually when I uninstalled it and now when I reinstalled it the config files didn't come back, is there a way I can get apt to install the default config files again? |
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| 00:53.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hiyo about confmiss |
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| 00:56.09 | hiyo | abrotman: just tried that, still not working |
| 00:56.41 | hiyo | also can you tell me how to remove config files safely for future reference? |
| 00:58.27 | abrotman | then you probably tried the command with the wrong package |
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| 00:58.56 | hiyo | I did it with asterisk... |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:59.24 | hiyo | oh wiat |
| 00:59.28 | hiyo | *wait |
| 00:59.32 | hiyo | there's asterisk_config |
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| 01:00.21 | hiyo | :) |
| 01:00.23 | hiyo | thank you |
| 01:02.17 | hiyo | abrotman: okay so in case I need to uninstall an application with the config files how do I do that? |
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| 02:05.15 | intelikey | umm not sure if this is the place to ask, but; is there still a repo for debian lenny ? /etc/apt/sources.list line thingy ? |
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| 02:24.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell intelikey about archive |
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| 02:26.02 | Resilience | hello to everyone, when I running aptitude frontend and I do "g" command without selecting any packet to install, aptitude gives me a list of ready-to-install packages. How can I know why tis packets are going to be installed? |
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| 02:38.01 | nurupo | this is kind of annoying |
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| 03:08.41 | uxoric | Anyone know how to SMS in debian |
| 03:09.56 | d0pe | SMS? |
| 03:09.58 | Resilience | uxoric, at + hayes + sms, then send the at command to the tty, shell script will be enough |
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| 03:10.47 | uxoric | There a GUI that's open source? |
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| 03:11.54 | Resilience | uxoric, you can program a gui wrapper with tcl/tk |
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| 03:13.19 | rryoumaa | nurupo: have you tried purging pulseaudio? that's probably not the suggested solution, but nobody else answered you and i am happy that i purged it as it stopped errors and bugs. |
| 03:13.21 | JacotI | how does one normally do a bootable backup of a debian system? or is there a restore option in the installer (to restore a backup) ? |
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| 03:32.25 | snotrocket | when is debian 8 coming out? |
| 03:32.36 | d0pe | i heard soon. |
| 03:33.02 | snotrocket | when did 7 take off during 6's release cycle, was it around 6.5? |
| 03:33.07 | d0pe | code name "jessie: |
| 03:33.40 | d0pe | https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 03:33.46 | phy1729 | !jessie freeze |
| 03:33.47 | dpkg | Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will be frozen on 2014-11-05 after which no new versions of packages will enter the release and a period of intense bug fixing begins. See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot |
| 03:34.13 | d0pe | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:35.48 | snotrocket | how long after the freeze is it released as stable? |
| 03:35.56 | phy1729 | when it's ready |
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| 03:37.00 | andrew710 | hello. My pc installed 32-bit debian. Now i change my memory bank from 4G to 8G. How can i upgrade my debian from 32-bit to 64-bit, not reinstall debian? |
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| 03:40.19 | d0pe | <andrew710> is your cpu 64bit ? |
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| 03:40.38 | andrew710 | <d0pe>:yes . my cpu is 64bit |
| 03:40.53 | d0pe | So you should have no issues |
| 03:41.32 | d0pe | Oh i read wrong.... |
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| 03:41.50 | d0pe | i think you would have to do a clean install andrew718 |
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| 03:42.29 | kingsley | I like http://www.debian.ch/merchandise/img/tshirts/debian.ch_fusion.png |
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| 03:43.03 | d0pe | Andrew718: do you have a after market gpu? |
| 03:43.18 | andrew710 | <d0pe>: I hope upgrade to 64bit debian. Reinstall debian will spend too much time. |
| 03:44.08 | d0pe | If you have depending on the onbored gpu... and the mobo |
| 03:44.12 | d0pe | it might not make a diffrence |
| 03:45.17 | d0pe | andrew718: What motherbored you have? |
| 03:45.38 | snotrocket | asus p2b-ds |
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| 03:46.15 | andrew710 | <d0pe>: FJNBB2C |
| 03:47.31 | d0pe | A laptop |
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| 03:48.18 | snotrocket | what does lspci give you for adapter |
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| 03:49.23 | andrew710 | <d0pe>: yes. Fujitsu LH532. A japanese laptop |
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| 03:50.17 | d0pe | http://www.cnet.com/products/fujitsu-lifebook-lh532-14-core-i5-3210m-windows-8-64-bit-6-gb-ram-750-gb-hdd/ |
| 03:50.37 | d0pe | Looks like it is capable of running 64bit |
| 03:51.40 | pi___ | hi, why 64bit? |
| 03:51.54 | d0pe | Andrew718: https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
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| 03:52.27 | andrew710 | <d0pe>: Ok . thank you . |
| 03:52.38 | d0pe | Andrew718: yw |
| 03:53.06 | d0pe | pi____: prob to utilize all his ram? |
| 03:53.14 | d0pe | pi____: just a thought. |
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| 05:43.42 | alipoor90 | Hi, I have not much experience with Linux and now i want to manage my web server, what is best backup solution for Linux vps? block level or file level? and if file level i should backup whole root or just backup needed files and folder?(for example /var/www and /etc/httpd for webserver) |
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| 05:55.14 | NiLon | file level is usually best and whole root would waste space, pick what you need |
| 05:56.28 | alipoor90 | Thanks , and which files should i backup generally for a server with apache+bind ? |
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| 06:13.16 | mrafiee | alipoor90: also /etc/bind9/ for DNS server |
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| 06:42.16 | FreeNow | some documentation says "Click "Connect to Other Wireless Network..."." but I don't see that anywhere |
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| 06:48.48 | awbachorski | anyone know what the new server password is for freenode? |
| 06:49.05 | phy1729 | server password? |
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| 06:49.56 | awbachorski | when i registered my nick it said also setup server password seen here http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 06:49.58 | cafuego | awbachorski: 123456 |
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| 06:50.30 | phy1729 | awbachorski: that's a password of your choosing that you keep secret |
| 06:50.37 | cafuego | awbachorski: You should've set a password when you registered your nick. |
| 06:50.59 | cafuego | awbachorski: That's the nickserv pass, and also the pass you can use to connect authenticated over ssl. |
| 06:51.34 | cafuego | awbachorski: If you set that up more than a week ago, you should reset it btw. |
| 06:51.48 | awbachorski | If your client supports server password, please set this up as accountname:password. Make sure to include the colon. This will allow you to identify to your services account on connect, regardless of the nickname you are using when you connect. For example: |
| 06:52.16 | cafuego | awbachorski: Yup, that's your nickserv password. |
| 06:52.35 | cafuego | awbachorski: In this case, yournickname:nickservpass |
| 06:52.48 | awbachorski | no i set my nickserve password this is something else |
| 06:52.58 | cafuego | awbachorski: No, they're the same password. |
| 06:53.05 | awbachorski | i guess maybe its nto required |
| 06:53.22 | phy1729 | awbachorski: see https://www.freenode.net/sasl/sasl-xchat.shtml |
| 06:53.37 | cafuego | awbachorski: it's not mandatory, would allow you to connect without needing to authenticate with nickserv. |
| 06:53.42 | awbachorski | am i able to talk to everyone in this room is my concerne i thought maybe i would be blocked until i dod a registration |
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| 06:55.16 | cafuego | awbachorski: Yeah, you just need to be auth'd with nickserv to be able to talk in this channel. |
| 06:55.22 | bellow | Does anyone know of a website that lets you list the movies(dvd) that you own and has on app that you can use on an adroid. On the android both online and offline |
| 06:55.41 | cafuego | awbachorski: The server auth and/or ssl is optiuonal. Depends on the size of your tin foil hat :-) |
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| 06:56.56 | phy1729 | bellow: #freenode wasn't an appropriate place to ask and neither is here |
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| 06:59.31 | cafuego | The answer is "yes". |
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| 07:00.03 | bellow | Does anyone know of a website that lets you list the movies(dvd) that you own and has on app that you can use on an adroid. On the android both online and offline |
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| 07:23.58 | bellow | Does anyone know of a website that lets you list the movies(dvd) that you own and has on app that you can use on an adroid. On the android both online and offline |
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| 07:25.40 | CruX| | hello, i have 2 apps running on fullscreen, how can I switch second app to foreground from command line ? blackbox is used as wm |
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| 07:28.06 | bellow | Does anyone know of a website that lets you list the movies(dvd) that you own and has on app that you can use on an adroid. NOT IMDB it does not have what I need. On the android both online and offline |
| 07:28.10 | narbeh | bellow: I don't know any specific for movies, but I'm sure there are plenty of Asset Management portals you can use |
| 07:28.50 | bellow | I would like it to be for movies |
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| 07:32.46 | shingouz | bellow: try a magic crystal ball, i think you can obtain one from diagon alley in london. *nothing* on the web lets you list what you own unless you send them a full list |
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| 07:33.33 | bellow | There is |
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| 07:34.48 | jelly-home | awbachorski, cafuego: in most cases it's not necessary to be nickserv identified to talk here. That's only enforced in specific situations. |
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| 08:01.29 | OnlyGod | Hi Guys , where to get vmwaretools.pl for debian 6 |
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| 08:04.08 | babilen | OnlyGod: Ask #vmware |
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| 08:04.34 | narbeh | OnlyGod: You can get it right in the vmware menu |
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| 08:10.30 | jelly-home | ,v open-vm-tools |
| 08:10.31 | judd | Package: open-vm-tools on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:8.4.2-261024-1; wheezy: 2:8.8.0+2012.05.21-724730-1+nmu2; wheezy-backports: 2:9.4.0-1280544-8~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:9.4.6-1770165-2; experimental: 2:9.4.6-1770165-2+exp1; sid: 2:9.4.6-1770165-3 |
| 08:10.48 | jelly-home | OnlyGod: you can use that ^ in the meantime |
| 08:10.58 | OnlyGod | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:11.25 | OnlyGod | jelly-home: but i'm on 64bit |
| 08:11.43 | jelly-home | the same package ought to exist for amd64 as well |
| 08:11.51 | jelly-home | ,v open-vm-tools --arch amd64 |
| 08:11.52 | judd | Package: open-vm-tools on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:8.4.2-261024-1; wheezy: 2:8.8.0+2012.05.21-724730-1+nmu2; wheezy-backports: 2:9.4.0-1280544-8~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:9.4.6-1770165-2; experimental: 2:9.4.6-1770165-2+exp1; sid: 2:9.4.6-1770165-3 |
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| 08:13.01 | jelly-home | just remember to remove open-vm-tools before installing the proprietary version |
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| 08:13.57 | OnlyGod | jelly-home: i have tried apt-get install open-vm-tools , but not available |
| 08:15.03 | OnlyGod | latest kali |
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| 08:20.07 | OnlyGod | jelly-home: kali with debian 3.14.5 , which debian repo i should add on it ? |
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| 08:39.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell OnlyGod -about kali |
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| 08:39.30 | OnlyGod | babilen: thanks there is no need |
| 08:39.56 | babilen | OnlyGod: Yes, there is. You should be aware of this channel's policy regarding support of derivatives. |
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| 08:45.44 | shingouz | bellow: why not ask someplace that actually supports android? |
| 08:45.53 | babilen | bellow: .. such as #android |
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| 08:50.25 | bellow | I cannot get there |
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| 09:10.02 | ag4ve | why isn't there a netdate package? |
| 09:10.11 | ag4ve | i found this from a few years ago: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12882 |
| 09:11.14 | ag4ve | but, it just seems weird that debian still doesn't have a package that supports the standard tcp/37 unixtime protocol |
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| 09:12.59 | shingouz | !tell ag4ve about netdate |
| 09:14.09 | ag4ve | i'm not sure that answered my question...? |
| 09:14.16 | cafuego | netdate? |
| 09:14.20 | cafuego | !netdate |
| 09:14.21 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
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| 09:14.34 | ag4ve | ntp is different |
| 09:14.45 | ag4ve | here: http://manned.org/netdate/501eb0d7 |
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| 09:15.32 | cafuego | Yeah that looks like it's just old and nobody who can avoid it uses it anymore. |
| 09:15.40 | ag4ve | apparently gentoo gets it's package from suse: SRC_URI="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/kukuk/ipv6/${P}.tar.bz2" |
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| 09:16.01 | cafuego | Could you use ntpdate instead? |
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| 09:16.35 | ag4ve | most boxes are gentoo which has an netdate package so that's what we've been using |
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| 09:16.58 | chb | so netdate doesn't use ntp servers but guesses the correct time by looking at other hosts? |
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| 09:17.28 | cafuego | So it would seem |
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| 09:17.54 | chb | what a strange way to do that |
| 09:17.56 | ag4ve | it appears to be an older protocol similar to ntp - idk the lineage |
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| 09:18.23 | cafuego | ag4ve: I'd suggest you make puppet pop ntpd on the gentoo hosts and just go with that. |
| 09:19.31 | cafuego | That'll probably end up being less painful than making Debian use netdate, which appears to not actually have a way of checking what the actual time is, apart from guessing between configured local hosts. |
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| 09:29.06 | ag4ve | hmmm, it appears that ntp has had more cve's in the past decade than netdate does.... idk if i want to argue for implementing that.... |
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| 09:29.42 | ag4ve | maybe internal for the debian boxes i guess :( |
| 09:30.01 | ag4ve | or just compile it and add the deb to a local repo |
| 09:30.04 | DarsVaeda | running shell command with "timeout cmd", if pressing enter I get the pid and on the next command I get an exit status, is this normal? |
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| 09:30.41 | ag4ve | nope |
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| 09:31.00 | petn-randall | ag4ve: However, many of those CVEs were only relevant if you ran ntpd as a server serving time to others; something only a select few people do for the public. |
| 09:31.15 | DarsVaeda | "timeout 900 php cronjob.php > outputfile 2>&1 & echo $! | php pidToDb.php" this is what I do |
| 09:31.37 | petn-randall | ag4ve: For the use case of having it poll time from other servers, or serving time on an internal network, these CVEs weren't that important. |
| 09:32.50 | petn-randall | ag4ve: And I remember at least one that was quite theoretical, the vulnerability was that you could skew the client's clock if you guessed a few parameters and got the timing right. |
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| 09:42.29 | ag4ve | nods - idk i can make the argument to switch away from something with no known security issues in the past 9 years to something with 4 in the past 4 years - that's it |
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| 09:57.36 | basheba | what is the best language translator app |
| 09:58.07 | JyZyXEL | how do i add this repository into my sources.list: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/tohojo:/netperf-wrapper/Debian_7.0/ |
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| 10:00.12 | delaytime0 | JyZyXEL: http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:tohojo:netperf-wrapper&package=netperf-wrapper |
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| 10:01.45 | JyZyXEL | oh now i get it |
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| 10:04.36 | themill | basheba: what do you want to do with this application? help translate software or automatically translate from one language to another? |
| 10:05.44 | bellow | Is there a onscreen keyboard for android that has the delete key and arrow keys |
| 10:05.51 | basheba | from one language to another themill |
| 10:05.55 | basheba | from english to arabic |
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| 10:06.02 | basheba | arabic to english rather |
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| 10:06.39 | basheba | bellow, #android |
| 10:06.48 | bellow | Cannot send |
| 10:07.02 | basheba | register |
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| 10:08.12 | bellow | I am |
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| 10:10.33 | JyZyXEL | so how do i tell apt-get to install the netperf package from this another repository? |
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| 10:14.24 | bellow | Is there a onscreen keyboard for android that has the delete key and arrow keys |
| 10:14.58 | themill | bellow: hacker's keyboard |
| 10:15.09 | bellow | I have tried it] |
| 10:15.13 | bellow | did not work |
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| 10:15.30 | themill | well I've tried it and it does... next question.... |
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| 10:15.55 | themill | basheba: I don't think there's much machine translation stuff that is free software and the websites that can do it generally want payment these days. |
| 10:16.08 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install -t release_name |
| 10:16.14 | JyZyXEL | where do i find the release name though? |
| 10:17.05 | JyZyXEL | oh, looks like the release name is simply Debian_7.0 |
| 10:17.12 | basheba | lsb_release -a |
| 10:17.27 | JyZyXEL | "apt-get install -t Debian_7.0 netperf" did the trick |
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| 10:25.14 | helpcrypto | Hi. |
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| 10:26.06 | helpcrypto | in doing a multiarch package that contains libs for 32 and 64 (copied to /usr/lib/i386-linug-gnu or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu respectively) and a binary/exe. |
| 10:26.25 | helpcrypto | where shall I copy the 32 binary and the 64 binary? |
| 10:27.05 | helpcrypto | theres not a /usr/bin/i386-linux-gnu... |
| 10:27.34 | PerfDave | helpcrypto: Sounds like you want to ask #debian-devel, possibly on OFTC |
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| 10:27.46 | helpcrypto | ok, thx ;) |
| 10:28.13 | themill | helpcrypto: there's no need to and no sense in multiarching the executables. |
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| 10:28.39 | helpcrypto | themill: but my binary is compiled for 32/64...how it will run? |
| 10:28.57 | DotHack | peeps i need some advice.. |
| 10:29.09 | themill | helpcrypto: the i386 package contains the i386 binary. The amd64 package contains the amd64 binary. |
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| 10:29.58 | helpcrypto | ...themill:maybe i explained myself wrong...the multiarch package copies files for BOTH 32 and 64 to fs |
| 10:30.17 | SynrGy | that's not how multiarch works |
| 10:30.18 | themill | helpcrypto: debian packaging is not done that way |
| 10:30.28 | DotHack | i have this site that is only accessible via a socks5 proxy server but i do not want to reconfigure all stations.. i have this idea to create a transparent proxy that handles url x, translate to url y and use an external proxy to get the site.. is this possible? |
| 10:30.30 | SynrGy | in any case, go to #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net for packaging help |
| 10:30.36 | SynrGy | not #debian-devel |
| 10:30.39 | DotHack | of course using debian |
| 10:30.45 | helpcrypto | ok, thx |
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| 10:34.54 | yufw | why isn't .profile sourced on graphical login? |
| 10:35.37 | Penix | yufw: google "bashrc vs bash_profile", or something similar |
| 10:37.45 | yufw | Penix: I just want some scripts to be sourced on graphical login, is there a way to do this? |
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| 10:41.20 | PerfDave | yufw: Which graphical login manager are you using? |
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| 10:41.57 | yufw | PerfDave: the default in debian 7.6 (lightdm?) |
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| 10:44.25 | zoidberg1 | I have a really strange problem, i have 3 USB ethernet adpaters in my debian box, and one onboard nic.. 1 ethernet goes to modem, 1 goes to switch, another goes to switch adn the third goes to the second switch with vlan configured. Problem i am seeing, if we take all switches out, and put them to a laptop, the interfaces keep getting mixed up on the host.. for instance i plug into eth1 and get an eth2 ip, i plug into eth and get an eth3 ip etc.. i am w |
| 10:44.32 | zoidberg1 | its so wierd! |
| 10:44.45 | zoidberg1 | its liek the interface names change what adapter they are attached to |
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| 10:47.06 | PerfDave | yufw: I'd double-check what it is and check its manpage about what it reads on login. |
| 10:47.35 | PerfDave | zoidberg1: Do you mean the interface names are different on the laptop to the desktop, or that they're different on the desktop when you plug them back in? |
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| 10:48.48 | zoidberg1 | PerfDave: its hard to explain, so for instance, eth1 = 192.168.2.0/24, eth2 = 192.168.3.0/24, eth3 = 192.168.4.0/24. I am using dnsmasq for dhcp/dns. If i plug into either of these interfaces, directly and request dhcp i get the wrong ip addresses for that interface.. |
| 10:48.58 | zoidberg1 | PerfDave: eg. i plug into eth3 and get an 192.168.1.x ip address |
| 10:49.20 | zoidberg1 | i've narrowed it down to the issue being with the dongles, the dnsmasq is configured correctly per interface to give the correct addresses |
| 10:49.29 | zoidberg1 | its bizarre - i was wondering if there is a known bug in the usb |
| 10:49.42 | PerfDave | zoidberg1: Do the dongles have unique MAC addresses? |
| 10:49.43 | narbeh | I forced any web request to use HTTPS, is there any tool to force the server to use HTTP ? |
| 10:50.18 | zoidberg1 | PerfDave: they should do, let me check |
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| 10:51.30 | PerfDave | zoidberg1: The file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules should map the MAC address to the interface name. |
| 10:51.30 | zoidberg1 | PerfDave: http://codepad.org/DDd34thW |
| 10:51.49 | zoidberg1 | they have different mac addresses accoridng to ifconfig/ip |
| 10:52.09 | zoidberg1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.09 | zoidberg1 | 40-scratch.rules 99-input.rules |
| 10:52.12 | zoidberg1 | i have those files? |
| 10:52.24 | PerfDave | zoidberg1: Interesting. |
| 10:52.45 | zoidberg1 | yeah it is - its confusing the hell out of me |
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| 10:52.58 | zoidberg1 | it seems to be with the third nic, i take that out eveyrthing works fine.. i put it back in, this odd behaviour happens |
| 10:53.13 | zoidberg1 | PerfDave: should i manually create 70-persistent-net.rules? |
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| 10:53.45 | PerfDave | zoidberg1: If you're running a Debian system it should be autogenerated. |
| 10:53.57 | zoidberg1 | debian wheezy for raspberry pi ? |
| 10:54.03 | zoidberg1 | official image |
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| 10:55.31 | themill | Debian doesn't release any images let alone images for the raspberry pi. |
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| 11:05.20 | bellow | Is there a onscreen keyboard for android that has the delete key and arrow keys |
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| 11:07.08 | jelly | bellow: again, this is not the right place for Android questions, but #android is. Do not ask those questions in here. |
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| 11:07.26 | __marco | When I specify a dependency in debian/control, how can I AND two versions of the same package? |
| 11:07.26 | bellow | \Cannot send to android |
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| 11:07.44 | __marco | foo (>= 1.2, <1.3) |
| 11:08.07 | __marco | other foo (>= 1.2), foo (< 1.3) |
| 11:08.18 | jelly | bellow: then go ask #android ops about the reasons. "/msg chanserv access #android list" |
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| 11:08.41 | bellow | they do not like me |
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| 11:08.50 | bellow | I have never been able to send |
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| 11:09.34 | PerfDave | bellow: That still doesn't make #debian the right place to ask Android questions |
| 11:09.48 | jelly | bellow: that, sadly, is not our problem. There're dozens of android forums on the web to use instead. |
| 11:09.58 | bellow | Is there a onscreen keyboard for android that has the delete key and arrow keys |
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| 11:10.40 | brian-mac | jeepers |
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| 11:24.59 | ag4ve | is there good video editing software for linux now? last time i looked, the best i found was a memory hog and not very good. |
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| 11:34.51 | Penix | ag4ve: pitivi, cinerelerra? |
| 11:35.07 | Penix | cinellera even |
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| 11:37.47 | Penix | bah. one l. excuse my pickled ways |
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| 11:45.12 | bitonic | sometime in the past week NetworkManager for wifi stopped working. It works for wired connections, but not for wifi, and I know the problem is not the wifi drivers because wpa_supplicant works fine. It says "no network devices available" |
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| 11:46.57 | bitonic | I know it's not because the interface is managed |
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| 11:50.07 | ag4ve | Penix: i think cinellera was what i tried, that took tons of memory and time to process, but i'll tias - thanks |
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| 11:56.24 | PerfDave | bitonic: Have you checked /var/log/daemon.log and restarted network-manager? It's reasonably verbose about what it's up to. |
| 11:56.26 | ag4ve | maybe not as idr adding another repo for it.... |
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| 11:58.35 | Penix | ag4ve: cinelerra? afaict it's not in offical repos, most likely due to its unusual licensing |
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| 11:59.42 | Penix | well, maybe not 'unusual', but the non-commercial version isn't exactly top priority for the upstream project |
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| 12:00.54 | Penix | iirc there's cinerlerra-cv or something similar, which is some sort of community edition fork |
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| 12:01.10 | Penix | bleh. minus the extra r |
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| 12:03.31 | asteriskATmarmuD | my gconf2 seems broken, installing netbeans requires jdk and that (among several other packages) has dependency issues with gconf2 (note that I am still under command line, no gui). I get the follwing error... |
| 12:03.33 | asteriskATmarmuD | Setting up gconf2 (3.2.5-1+build1) ... |
| 12:03.33 | asteriskATmarmuD | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst: 52: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst: gconf-schemas: not found |
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| 12:04.39 | Penix | asteriskATmarmuD: well, you do you have gconf-schemas? (part of 'gconf2' package) |
| 12:04.48 | Penix | asteriskATmarmuD: are you mixing branches? (stable, unstable) |
| 12:05.15 | asteriskATmarmuD | long version: http://pastie.org/private/mewudltspmxleplcd3jag |
| 12:05.32 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.24 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.23 | ag4ve | Penix: yeah, that's what i got is *-cv |
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| 12:08.42 | ag4ve | looks reasonable, thanks |
| 12:09.06 | Penix | ag4ve: I've limited experience with unix video editors, but afaik cinelerra uses its own custom widget toolkit. may not be the most lightweight |
| 12:09.25 | Penix | ag4ve: from what I can gather, pitivi has made some good progress recently |
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| 12:10.15 | __marco | do you know how to remove a distribution from reprepro? |
| 12:10.17 | __marco | what I have to do after I remove it from conf/distribution? |
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| 12:12.54 | carandraug | I have a weird behaviour. After running a separate program, my STDIN disappears. Is there anyway to find where it is going? |
| 12:13.16 | carandraug | it must be being redirected somewhere, but I would like to report them a more useful bug report |
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| 12:18.05 | ag4ve | Penix: pitivi looks like what i'd tried before.... i'll try cinelera first and then see if that's improved |
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| 12:18.58 | wizard-d | is synerg in the channel? |
| 12:19.20 | wizard-d | ok i can see him |
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| 12:25.14 | wizard-d | i have type fix /etc/x11/default-window-manager but it's not still showing the grub |
| 12:25.23 | wizard-d | SynrG, |
| 12:25.37 | wizard-d | anyone help me |
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| 12:26.10 | DotHack | squid channel is not alive.. |
| 12:26.21 | DotHack | maybe anyone in here can point me in the right direction... |
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| 12:27.10 | DotHack | i have this server in ipA... and i would like to do this in my browser: http://ipA:8080/http://url_i_want_to_visit.com |
| 12:27.15 | wizard-d | i just installed debian 7 but its not going to grub it's just bounces me to console |
| 12:27.29 | DotHack | i want the proxy server to lookup the url and serve it... |
| 12:28.04 | DotHack | i obviously rewrite the site to match to urls.. |
| 12:28.48 | narbeh | DotHack: do you have the access to server? |
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| 12:29.01 | DotHack | narbeh: yes |
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| 12:30.09 | narbeh | DotHack: you can add a rule in apache config, its a simple Rewrite script |
| 12:30.25 | Lope | Hi, I can't find ^libssl-dev or ^libopenssl on an apt-cache search. I've got main, contrib and non-free sources and I've updated apt. |
| 12:30.29 | wizard-d | please you guys should answer me |
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| 12:30.34 | Lope | running wheezy |
| 12:30.35 | wizard-d | i dont have all day |
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| 12:31.02 | bitonic | PerfDave: I did check but I didn't copy the output, I'll do it now |
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| 12:31.32 | Bluewolf | wizard-d: Patience man, it suck waiting but patience. When someone knows they will answer. |
| 12:31.49 | Lope | sorry, my mistake |
| 12:32.18 | Bluewolf | I'm actually having a similar problem to yours which I am trying to find out :D |
| 12:32.18 | wizard-d | ok |
| 12:32.20 | Lope | wizard-d: remember that people help here out of love, nobody is getting paid. gratitude for their efforts is a good idea. |
| 12:32.23 | wizard-d | i am waiting |
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| 12:32.42 | Lope | I found libssl-dev btw. |
| 12:32.56 | wizard-d | Lope, yeah i know |
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| 12:33.30 | Phyliares | wizard-d: has grub succesfully installed during install process?? |
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| 12:34.22 | Bluewolf | Hi all, I am trying to install Debian wheezy Xfce on my Compaq Laptop, When I began the install it would fail to install due to non-free firmware for WiFi. I have since aquired the WiFi firmware and got the Internet working but when I try and continue the installation it asks me to verify my WiFi password and after doing so it continues to ask me to verify? |
| 12:34.25 | DotHack | narbeh: no i do not want the url the be rewritten to the client.. the server has the fetch the site.. the client cant access the network directy(proxy) |
| 12:34.29 | wizard-d | Phyliares, yes but when i input startx it take me to console ins |
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| 12:35.26 | Phyliares | wizard-d: why did you talk about bootloader then? |
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| 12:35.47 | wizard-d | oh that was a mistake |
| 12:35.53 | wizard-d | sorry about that |
| 12:36.09 | Phyliares | wizard-d: X does not start? |
| 12:36.36 | wizard-d | yes that's w what it says |
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| 12:37.39 | Phyliares | what is you display manager? |
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| 12:38.23 | d3lphi | hi. Anyone can tell me how I have modify my /etc/inetd.conf for the TFTPD server to allow write access ? |
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| 12:38.49 | d3lphi | my line actually looks like that ==> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp |
| 12:39.05 | d3lphi | but with that configuration write permission seems to be denied |
| 12:42.15 | d3lphi | according to "http://linux.die.net/man/8/tftpd" I think I have to use the "-c" option, that's exactly what I am looking for. But how do I insert that option, what is the syntax for /etc/inetd.conf ? |
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| 12:47.39 | Bluewolf | I'm in the installation process of Wheezy Xfce, it has missing firmware which I have installed on the live CD through the terminal (dpkg -i package.deb), it connects to the internet without a problem and works. Now when I move on to install it asks me to verify my network connection (And WiFi key), when I put in the details it keeps coming up with the same window. If I continue with the install it eventually fails? |
| 12:47.53 | wizard-d | Phyliares, i dont get that |
| 12:47.55 | Phyliares | d3lphi: syntax seems to be: /usr/sbin/in.tftpd [options...] directory |
| 12:48.19 | d3lphi | Phyliares: but "/usr/sbin/in.tftpd -c /srv/tftp" seems not to work :( |
| 12:48.54 | Phyliares | it cannot run standalone? |
| 12:49.08 | d3lphi | man "in.tftpd" doesn't show anything related to "-c" by the way |
| 12:49.11 | Phyliares | wizard-d: what did you put inside /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
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| 12:49.28 | wizard-d | i dont know |
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| 12:50.14 | d3lphi | oh damn, in "man tftpd" I read: "Files may be written only if they already exist and are publicly writeable..." that suxx :( no way to allow the tftpd to create files if they don't exist? |
| 12:50.18 | Phyliares | wizard-d: #apt-get install slim |
| 12:50.18 | wizard-d | like i have not touched anything i just installed it |
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| 12:51.02 | Phyliares | d3lphi: that is the default |
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| 12:52.09 | wizard-d | Phyliares, it is saying unable to locate package slim |
| 12:52.35 | Phyliares | #apt-get update && apt-get install slim |
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| 12:54.12 | wizard-d | ok it's now loading |
| 12:54.56 | d3lphi | Phyliares: maybe I try "tftpd-hpa" ? |
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| 12:55.18 | Phyliares | d3lphi: this is the one i use |
| 12:55.24 | Phyliares | simple |
| 12:55.45 | Phyliares | it can run as a standalone daemon |
| 12:55.49 | d3lphi | as I read, tftpd-hpa also doesn't depend on openbsd's inetd, right? |
| 12:55.51 | wizard-d | it says some index file failed to download they have been ignored or old one used instead |
| 12:55.52 | d3lphi | cool |
| 12:55.58 | d3lphi | I'll give a try |
| 12:56.21 | Phyliares | wizard-d: is it a fresh install of wheezy? |
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| 12:57.14 | wizard-d | yes it is |
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| 12:57.34 | Phyliares | did you modified sources.list file? |
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| 12:58.29 | wizard-d | nop |
| 12:58.40 | wizard-d | how do you do that' |
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| 12:58.55 | Phyliares | then #rm -rf /var/lib/apt/* && apt-get update |
| 12:59.38 | Phyliares | strange error on fresh install |
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| 13:00.46 | d3lphi | Phyliares: tftpd-hpa works fine ! :) Now I can use Cisco's CLI command to directly save files from my running flash to the TFTP server. |
| 13:00.59 | Phyliares | d3lphi: Great ;) |
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| 13:05.19 | wizard-d | Phyliares, its still the same |
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| 13:05.44 | Phyliares | did you get a 404 error during update? |
| 13:06.14 | jelly | Phyliares: it's not a good idea to rm -rf everything in /var/lib/apt; removing /var/lib/apt/lists/partial directory will break things, and removing /var/lib/apt/extended_states will make apt forget what was auto-installed and what was manually installed |
| 13:06.17 | wizard-d | yes same error with the old one |
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| 13:08.04 | Phyliares | jelly: sure but he didn't installed anything for now |
| 13:08.41 | jelly | there's still a load of auto-installed info lost |
| 13:08.44 | Phyliares | wizard-d: could you paste anywhere the apt-get update output? |
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| 13:08.54 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:08.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:14.16 | bitonic | so this is what I get in the NetworkManager logs when I start it: <http://paste.debian.net/122363/>. My problem is that nm can't see the wireless interfaces, I guess `<info> (wlan0): device state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none')' has something to do with it, but the reason is not that great... |
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| 13:19.38 | Phyliares | bitonic: seems to requires an auth you didn't provide |
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| 13:21.31 | bitonic | Phyliares: no, I did |
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| 13:21.48 | bitonic | after the 'no-secrets' thing I get prompted for my keyring password |
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| 13:22.09 | bitonic | which I did enter |
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| 13:23.04 | bitonic | (and in fact after that line somethings happens) |
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| 13:23.45 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 13:23.57 | ZenWalker | the future stable use systemd by default? |
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| 13:24.41 | babilen | ZenWalker: It will, yes. |
| 13:24.56 | ZenWalker | thanks |
| 13:24.58 | mandarine | Hello everybody, I might have a bit of a question concerning packaging and backporting process :x : a very useful package (openvpn) is built with a somehow interesting option (--with-iproute2) on jessie and sid but not on wheezy. As I'm quite the novice I sound on this topic, I tend to avoid local backports (mostly because I'm not even sure of what I'm doing). Any idea of what I could do/where I could learn/who I should ask (apart of finding a col |
| 13:25.01 | Phyliares | bitonic: maybe a keyring problem |
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| 13:25.49 | babilen | mandarine: Your message was truncated at "finding a col" |
| 13:26.17 | mandarine | Oh ... "(apart of finding a colleague who knows better)" |
| 13:26.46 | mandarine | (This question was not supposed to be that long at first, sorry about that :x ) |
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| 13:33.24 | bitonic | Phyliares: I doubt it, if you check the logs it doesn't say anything about that |
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| 13:34.16 | Phyliares | I've read no agent available IIRC |
| 13:34.41 | Phyliares | but can i suggest to drop nm and install wicd ? |
| 13:35.46 | bitonic | Phyliares: wicd often doesn't work |
| 13:36.06 | bitonic | e.g. with the PEAP network at my uni |
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| 13:37.58 | bitonic | also, nm works with mobile dongle, VPNs, etc. |
| 13:38.26 | bitonic | I'm on testing by the way |
| 13:38.57 | Bluewolf | What is mean by this during the installation process and what am I to enter? - "Enter the passphrase for WPA/WPA2 PSK authentication. This should be the passphrase defined for the wireless network you are trying to use." |
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| 13:39.34 | bitonic | Bluewolf: it's asking for a WiFi password, presumably for a network you selected |
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| 13:43.34 | Bluewolf | bitonic: Okay then that proves I'm not silly. I am installing through a live CD and my computer had missing firmware which I installed to get the internet working. Now I connected to it before I went into the install and when that field came up (The one I just asked above) I entered the code (It is correct, I am 100% sure) and it suddenly keeps repeating the process. Do you have any I dea? |
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| 13:47.00 | Duststorm | hello, I'm a bit new to debian policies, so this might sound like a stupid question |
| 13:47.13 | Duststorm | but here goes: which protocol/client do I use to access qa.debian.org:/org/qa.debian.org/mia/README |
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| 13:47.29 | Duststorm | and do I need access, an account, or something? |
| 13:47.40 | Bluewolf | bitonic: The error that appears is: Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly. Yet it connected fine before I went into the install and now it simply won't connect? |
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| 13:48.16 | Duststorm | it might be ssh, which I tried, but in that case I need an account |
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| 13:52.36 | themill | Duststorm: that's telling you to read the file on that particular debian machine (there are dozens) so yes, it's over ssh and no, you wouldn't have an account. The MIA database contains private details and isn't accessible to outsiders. |
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| 13:53.40 | Duststorm | thanks themill, that makes sense |
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| 13:54.34 | Duststorm | I'm looking into the procedures of requesting adoption of a package that has been unmaintained for years |
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| 13:55.06 | Duststorm | I guess I best contact people of the MIA team with the relevant information directly |
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| 13:59.11 | themill | Duststorm: which package? |
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| 13:59.59 | Duststorm | makehuman |
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| 14:01.46 | Duststorm | the maintainer that manages our own debian build system has contacted him by email a few times before, but till now we did not get in contact |
| 14:02.12 | bitonic | Bluewolf: I'm not sure how to debug that kind of stuff at installation time... I usually try to connect and run dhclient manually when that kind of stuff happens |
| 14:02.18 | Duststorm | so I was looking into the formal debian policies |
| 14:02.45 | Duststorm | perhaps someone else from within debian can reach him |
| 14:03.15 | themill | Duststorm: the maintainer is definitely not MIA there but I can't comment about that package. |
| 14:04.06 | Duststorm | in that case I was misinformed |
| 14:04.18 | Bluewolf | bitonic: Okay, I don't know why it should be a real pain now on my laptop. It's got intel hardware but so has my desktop and the installation was a dream to work with. |
| 14:04.20 | Duststorm | perhaps it was only about the makehuman package, that was not maintained for a long time |
| 14:04.38 | bitonic | Bluewolf: linux wireless is a constant pain. |
| 14:04.54 | themill | Perhaps. A starting point would be to send a patch to #751755 that helps update the package to the newer version and offer some assistance if you can? |
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| 14:06.18 | bitonic | Bluewolf: I'm here to fix my WiFi too :P |
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| 14:06.48 | Duststorm | ok thanks for pointing me to it, Bluewolf |
| 14:07.07 | Duststorm | we'll try that |
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| 14:07.45 | Bluewolf | bitonic: The funny thing is I pluged the wired eth0 directly to the laptop and it did not pick it up nor did it even connect. At the moment I don't actually care about the wireless, I need to install it. |
| 14:07.55 | Bluewolf | Duststorm: Come again, pointing what out? |
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| 14:08.30 | Duststorm | sorry, I mean themill ;) |
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| 14:09.30 | bitonic | Bluewolf: that's weirder. maybe your router does have a DHCP problem |
| 14:09.49 | themill | Duststorm: no worries. You'll find #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) helpful if you want to play more with the packaging. |
| 14:10.07 | themill | Duststorm: A polite poke to #751755 would be appropriate too. |
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| 14:11.39 | Bluewolf | bitonic: Let me make it a mystery now, the wired connection is working perfectly fine on this computer I am using now to talk to you with. I installed wheezy just fine with this wired connection? :D |
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| 14:15.36 | Duststorm | we'll start there, thanks for the hints themill |
| 14:15.52 | themill | np |
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| 14:19.49 | f31n | hi, i realized that i got a malfunctional ram. checked it with memtest. in the module 1 i get an error in pass 1, (didn't checked it further) and with another module which i left for the weekend, it shows me an error at pass 20, 30, 58. do you know is that a reason to change it or won't i realize that error? |
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| 14:21.58 | thingfish | f31n: imo if your ram is not functioning properly, you need to replace it. You will probably have no choice soon. |
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| 14:22.42 | thingfish | f31n: you might also see what they say in #hardware. |
| 14:22.48 | themill | muk: amd64 is the right arch for consumer 64 bit hardware from intel. You'll find mint help in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, not in #debian. |
| 14:23.03 | f31n | thingfish: okay, so theoretically i could leave memtest running in circles for days and days, and if it shows an error at day 300 then the ram is also damaged? |
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| 14:23.16 | f31n | thingfish: i'll thanks |
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| 14:34.01 | justanotheruser | Hey, I installed pepperflashplayer using the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing |
| 14:34.27 | justanotheruser | however I get "Could not load Shockwave Flash" on lots of pages |
| 14:35.02 | zumbi | justanotheruser: yeah, apparently was broken in stable, the easiest workaround is to use icewease instead |
| 14:35.20 | justanotheruser | what? How was it broken in stable? |
| 14:35.52 | justanotheruser | and when will it be fixed? |
| 14:35.55 | zumbi | justanotheruser: google chrome people compiled it against more recent version of libc, than the one found in stable, so it misses some symbols |
| 14:36.08 | justanotheruser | ok |
| 14:36.09 | zumbi | justanotheruser: the fix depends on google engineers.. |
| 14:36.16 | justanotheruser | so it's up to google |
| 14:36.23 | zumbi | right |
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| 14:36.48 | justanotheruser | Or if debian wants to reverse engineer it :> |
| 14:37.01 | zumbi | doubt it.. |
| 14:37.07 | justanotheruser | yeah, that was a joke |
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| 14:37.41 | justanotheruser | damnit google, You are 50% of the broken propietary software on my computer |
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| 14:40.34 | delaytime0 | justanotheruser: libudev? |
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| 14:41.05 | udevd | >libudev |
| 14:41.06 | udevd | ,_, |
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| 14:46.00 | lupo | !ciao |
| 14:46.00 | dpkg | ciao is probably both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
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| 14:46.36 | lupo | !lista |
| 14:46.53 | themill | lupo: no warez here. |
| 14:46.56 | babilen | lupo: No illegal software or other content here. Sorry. |
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| 14:54.30 | d3lphi | anyone can explain to me what the difference between the package "arping" and "iputils-arping" is ? |
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| 14:55.53 | anonnumberanon | Should I have a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 14:58.08 | thingfish | anonnumberanon: I'm not real sure, but I think one only shows up when you install your card's accelerated drivers from non-free. |
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| 15:07.48 | jhutchins | thingfish: There are other reasons for it to exist as well, but by default it doesn't exist. |
| 15:08.03 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Does your GUI work properly? |
| 15:09.55 | thingfish | thanks jhutchins |
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| 15:12.14 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins, I haven't restarted so maybe if I don't set it up correctly the machine will be bricked like last year when I tried. |
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| 15:26.50 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Unless it's an embedded device, "bricked" is highly unlikely. "Needing some brains and a little effort" has been known to happen. |
| 15:27.16 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: But no, missing xorg.conf is not a cause for concern. |
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| 15:28.05 | queso | I'm using fully-updated wheezy/stable. How do I get ipsec installed? I have no ipsec.secrets or ipsec.conf files so I can't configure it. |
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| 15:33.37 | jhutchins | !ipsec |
| 15:33.38 | dpkg | Internet Protocol Security (IPsec) is a protocol suite for securing Internet Protocol communications by authenticating and encrypting each IP packet of a data stream. Ask me about <openswan>, <strongswan>, <racoon>. |
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| 15:34.16 | andry | i think "ipsec.secrets" was openswan |
| 15:34.18 | jhutchins | queso: https://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
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| 15:39.21 | queso | Thank you. |
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| 15:39.40 | queso | That IPsec page looks like it hasn't been updated in a while, it's referring to Woody. |
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| 15:44.40 | jhutchins | ipsec hasn't changed in a very LONG time. |
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| 15:45.20 | Iridos | queso, wikis work best if a lot of people edit them and make corrections |
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| 15:46.29 | queso | :) |
| 15:46.42 | anonnumberanon | what should /etc/X11/xorg.conf look like, I am blocked out of my machine and have to fix it |
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| 15:49.58 | Iridos | anonnumberanon, it doesn't exist by default for years. everything is supposed to be autodetected by X |
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| 15:50.32 | Iridos | queso, (this was an invitation :) ) |
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| 15:51.22 | anonnumberanon | Iridos, what do you mean by everything? |
| 15:51.31 | anonnumberanon | "everything" |
| 15:51.48 | queso | Iridos: Haha, yes, I see that. :) I will update it if I get a chance and figure out what I'm doing. |
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| 15:52.40 | jelly | anonnumberanon: the hardware, the driver needed, the input devices (keyboards, mice), the output devices (monitors) |
| 15:52.59 | jelly | anonnumberanon: keyboard layout, too |
| 15:54.29 | anonnumberanon | jelly, I see, do you think that if I remove xorg.conf the video will show again? Do I need to edit grub to enter into that mode? |
| 15:54.38 | anonnumberanon | Is it kernel mode? |
| 15:55.44 | jelly | anonnumberanon: do you remember what prompted you to put it in place in the first place? |
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| 15:57.04 | anonnumberanon | jelly, yes I was installing an ati driver for my gpu |
| 15:57.13 | anonnumberanon | it created xorg.conf |
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| 15:58.03 | jelly | anonnumberanon: if you move that xorg.conf away, X will default to free drivers. |
| 15:58.22 | anonnumberanon | from Grub should I type c for command line or e to edit the run of the OS start? |
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| 15:58.59 | jelly | anonnumberanon: from the grub menu, pick the recovery option |
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| 15:59.27 | anonnumberanon | recovery gives me black screen as well though :( |
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| 16:01.47 | jelly | anonnumberanon: in that case, boot a linux livecd image that works |
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| 16:05.41 | anonnumberanon | I may have to do that yes. |
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| 16:09.24 | Matthew_Moore | I am having an issue with a GPG key in jessie. can sombody help? |
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| 16:14.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell Matthew_Moore -about ask |
| 16:15.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell Matthew_Moore -about debian-next |
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| 16:16.16 | jelly | Matthew_Moore: if it's specifically about jessie and does not happen in wheezy, best ask over on irc.oftc.net, #debian-next channel (you ought to have gotten a private message from dpkg bot explaining that) |
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| 16:16.42 | Matthew_Moore | The issue is, i am on Jessie, and ther eis a package i want to install that in only available in the multimedia-wheezy souce. So i wanted to temperarily add the source so i could grab that package. THe source adds just fine. But it can't find a valid key. |
| 16:17.04 | Matthew_Moore | so i don't know if this is an issue with the Weezy source. or somthing inside jessie. not really sure which side this issue lives on |
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| 16:17.40 | jelly | it's an issue with a third-party repo like debian-multimedia that uses its own repo signage keys |
| 16:18.29 | jelly | Matthew_Moore: as http://deb-multimedia.org/ says, > The first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring. apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 16:18.47 | jelly | !dmm |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 16:19.02 | jelly | !why not dmm |
| 16:19.02 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 16:19.05 | Matthew_Moore | jelly: ok, i didn't do that. that could be my problem. |
| 16:19.57 | jelly | Matthew_Moore: packages from dmm might introduce other dependencies and may break unrelated software, proceed with caution |
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| 16:21.02 | Matthew_Moore | yes i know. i am trying this in Vbox first to see what happens. |
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| 16:21.41 | jelly | good idea |
| 16:22.57 | somiaj | Matthew_Moore: what is this package you want to install from dmm? Is it the libdvdcss? |
| 16:23.29 | Matthew_Moore | No. Bombono-DVD it's my favorite DVD aurhoring program on Linux. |
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| 16:24.11 | somiaj | ahh, that might require more than a few packages, but my suggestion is you can get the .debs from dmm without adding the source. |
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| 16:26.33 | Matthew_Moore | Ok, i'll try it. I am not all that familiar with Stock Debian. After Ubuntu was no longer worht my time i moved to OpenSUSE and eventually Arch. So forgive my ignorance. :) |
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| 16:27.25 | somiaj | Matthew_Moore: well if it requires multiple packages you may want to add the repo, then remove it. If the package installs fine from teh repo you shouldn't have much issues, but having that repo enabled when you upgrade could cause apt some strife if things have conflicts. |
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| 16:27.52 | ragnarok-huayra | i want to build package with upstream source that already have a debian directory and the source is native , i create my pkg-thecreazypackage with my own debian directory and format is quilt.. my question is: need i remove the original debian directory, previous do build the package? or i can have the untouched original targz source? |
| 16:28.12 | ragnarok-huayra | i found thuis mention https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What.27s_wrong_with_upstream_shipping_a_debian.2F_directory.3F but i cant found the best way to solved it |
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| 16:28.47 | Matthew_Moore | We'll see what happens. |
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| 16:29.38 | anonnumberanon | Why can installing display drivers brick Debian? |
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| 16:33.02 | somiaj | ragnarok-huayra: for building a personal package I think either way is fine, though you may get better advise on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- Another comment is does the package you want to make already have a debian package but just needs a newer upstream version? |
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| 16:35.50 | ragnarok-huayra | somiaj: i buinding a package (mint display manager) for my own distro, this package must be renamed for debian that have conflict with another pacakge with same name (mdm) but the pstream release tarballs with the debian directory and source format as native |
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| 16:36.44 | somiaj | ragnarok-huayra: I would ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net see what they say. |
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| 16:37.13 | ragnarok-huayra | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 17:22.57 | SanchoPensa | good evening, ladies and gentlemen. |
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| 17:23.50 | kenrestivo | i want to set up an ircd temporarily and quickly for testing, nothing fancy, don't want to spend hours confguring, or a lot of time trying out all the alternatives. any advice? |
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| 17:24.21 | SanchoPensa | i am attempting to rip a few of my cds into my computer with k3b, that one has a few audio encoding options, from ogg vorbis to sun.au, but unfortunately no mp3. |
| 17:24.21 | SanchoPensa | do i need to install something in order to "teach" k3b mp3, or can't it just do it? |
| 17:25.08 | Penix | SanchoPensa: google "k3b mp3 encoding". probably need lame, or something similar |
| 17:25.37 | SanchoPensa | Penix: so that one exists for linux too? :) |
| 17:27.23 | SanchoPensa | Penix: got it, thanks!° |
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| 17:30.07 | Zune | gs |
| 17:30.21 | frenda | How to set http://hello.local on DocumentRoot instead on http://localhost ? |
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| 17:32.39 | intelikey | hello |
| 17:33.19 | intelikey | how does one go about keeping the same display settings at boot time from grub to tty/console ? and i also have an issue with "su" for some reason it can't execute binary files. is that a security setting somewhere ? |
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| 17:35.08 | intelikey | dpkg am i sending to a channel |
| 17:35.08 | dpkg | intelikey: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:35.15 | intelikey | good. |
| 17:37.20 | Penix | how refreshingly appropriate |
| 17:38.05 | intelikey | to clearify the display issue a little. at boot time i want to keep the bios display settings, but veery thing i try still changes to a 'pico-tiny' 'super-extra' small font that i can't read. i would like to be able to use the tty/console and not be forced into a 'gui' |
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| 17:38.39 | Penix | intelikey: what sort of gpu do you have? |
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| 17:39.00 | jelly | intelikey: you could change the framebuffer console font instead |
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| 17:39.38 | intelikey | gpu ? i think it's a radian toshiba satalite lappy |
| 17:40.19 | intelikey | jelly ok. is there no way to make the thing leave the display alone ? |
| 17:40.48 | intelikey | you know the old "vga=ask" doesn't work anymore |
| 17:41.46 | Penix | either disable kms/modesetting, or adjust fonts |
| 17:41.50 | jelly | intelikey: the console will switch from text mode to graphic framebuffer as soon as X starts, when intel kms kernel driver gets loaded |
| 17:42.10 | jelly | disabling kms will kind of stop X from working, won't it? |
| 17:42.23 | jelly | s/intel// |
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| 17:42.31 | intelikey | jelly i don't start X and it still goes so tiny i can't read it |
| 17:42.47 | jelly | in that case, try |
| 17:42.49 | Penix | don't think so. not sure about intel these days though |
| 17:42.50 | jelly | !nofb |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
| 17:43.03 | jelly | hmm. |
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| 17:43.37 | jelly | !kms |
| 17:43.40 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 17:43.57 | jelly | intelikey: that nomodeset thing looks promising |
| 17:44.07 | intelikey | ok ty |
| 17:44.26 | jelly | intelikey: why do you not use X and a terminal emulator with whatever font you want, tho? |
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| 17:47.55 | intelikey | jelly long story. the short answer is i just prefer tty old school / hard head you know. |
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| 17:48.48 | intelikey | but i do thank you for the info it does look like it might work i'll give it a shot. |
| 17:48.58 | intelikey | both of you "thanks." |
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| 17:49.57 | jelly | a maximized fullscreen xterm is faster than the fb console, and prettier than text mode |
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| 17:53.00 | intelikey | faster ? X and the bare minimum processes, faster than the terminal it runs in ? hard to accept, at best. incredable at worst. i'd need so data on that one. |
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| 17:54.07 | centrx | also rxvt is faster than xterm |
| 17:54.08 | centrx | xterm--- |
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| 17:57.56 | teraflops | is kmscom available even on experiemtal? i cant find anything except a request +500 days old |
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| 18:01.00 | intelikey | about the su issue i know i can and would probbably be "well advised" to 'just use sudo' but i have a startup script that i would like to use 'su' to exicute a command as a login user. (su - bob -- /bin/rm /home/tmp/*) but it errors out with /bin/rm can't execute binary file. and why as bob you may ask. because if i drop something there as root i want bob to see it and not delete it. but at any rate, why does su error out on b |
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| 18:01.13 | jelly | intelikey: try it, list 10M lines in a 80x25 console and a 80x25 xterm with bitmap fonts |
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| 18:02.00 | arcke | nturner: does su bob -c "/bin/rm /home/tmp/*" work? |
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| 18:02.02 | jelly | intelikey: that's not valid su syntax, read about -c |
| 18:03.01 | jelly | intelikey: the syntax changed around... debian 4 or 5 |
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| 18:05.52 | intelikey | jelly ok that answers that. thanks again. but no the -c didn't work either. |
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| 18:06.35 | jelly | intelikey: how does it fail? |
| 18:06.58 | intelikey | no message just no action |
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| 18:07.20 | intelikey | let me test with other commands. |
| 18:07.44 | jelly | intelikey: what about su bob -c "echo /bin/rm /home/tmp/*" |
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| 18:08.59 | intelikey | ok -c will work with that configuration |
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| 18:09.23 | intelikey | interesting ... thanks again jelly |
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| 18:10.14 | jelly | !next |
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| 19:03.11 | Intensity | When I manually build a package from source and it creates several .deb files in "..", is there a best practices way to install a given package along with its (minimal) dependencies? For example, I'm building a backported gcc-4.8 for Debian Wheezy. |
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| 19:04.11 | Intensity | If I dpkg -i *.deb, I'll get too many packages and some conflicts. And then some of those will have dependencies. Ideally I'd like to specify that I'd like to install the gcc-4.8 and g++-4.8 packages and then the corresponding .deb's in that directory would be added as needed. Any help on this matter would be appreciated. |
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| 19:07.56 | tethra | https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#The_Open_Font_License <- i can't work out if this means OFL is debian compatible or not |
| 19:07.58 | Walex2 | Intensity: I can't see what your problem is. |
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| 19:25.46 | ioudas | Does anyone know how to force apt to never install a package/update to a package? |
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| 19:26.34 | phy1729 | !pinning |
| 19:26.34 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 19:27.35 | jere | Should not the first example here work on my Debian machine? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1290438 |
| 19:27.46 | ioudas | Yeah been reading that, cant find a really decent example |
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| 19:27.57 | jere | If no, can you you please suggest an alternative approach/ |
| 19:27.59 | cra1g321 | ioudas i found this - http://www.astarix.co.uk/2014/02/easily-exclude-packages-apt-get-upgrades/ |
| 19:28.15 | jere | This fails on my Debian machine running in VM. |
| 19:28.36 | jere | I mean nothing is printed on Desktop. |
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| 19:30.32 | somiaj | jere: do you have your vm configured to use the usb port, note the whole script is triggered by udev detecting something is pluged in and running a script. |
| 19:31.15 | somiaj | jere: in this case it would be the host that gets this event. Depending on how you configure you vm it may not have access to the usb drives and might not be told/notified by the vm layer that a new usb device was pluged into it making it run the script. |
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| 19:33.01 | jere_ | somiaj: I guess yes. I mean when I enable usb on my VM, and at the same time monitor `udevadm monitor --env`, I can see my usb drive being detected. |
| 19:33.21 | jere_ | I am sorry. The interet here is a bit unstable. |
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| 19:50.18 | RayzrShrp | how can i colorize the output of the dmesg command like arc linux does? im assuming i need to change the pager for dmesg? |
| 19:51.22 | somiaj | jere_: double check the USB event that gets used to detect it, if it doesn't match the udev rule then the machine will not run the script to create the file when it detects the usb device has been added. |
| 19:51.57 | somiaj | RayzrShrp: sounds like they parse it though some program to add the color to it. |
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| 19:52.36 | jere_ | somiaj: I just checked dmesg and it does detect USB. |
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| 19:54.13 | somiaj | jere_: I'm not intersted in what dmesg detects it as, but what event gets sent to udev, because if it doesn't match the udev rule due to emulation it won't function correctly |
| 19:54.37 | somiaj | RayzrShrp: seems they have a custom dmesg that does that, I don't see the color option in the debian dmesg tool. You may have to find another tool to colorize it |
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| 19:56.34 | queso | What GUI application can I run from the command line to control my sound mixer settings? |
| 19:57.08 | somiaj | queso: do you use pulseaudio or just alsa? |
| 19:57.13 | mtn | queso: alsamixer |
| 19:57.15 | queso | somiaj: I have no idea |
| 19:57.25 | cra1g321 | what desktop environment ? |
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| 19:57.29 | somiaj | queso: ps fax | grep pulse -- do you see a pulseaudio daemon running? |
| 19:57.45 | queso | pulseaudio is running |
| 19:57.55 | queso | cra1g321: awesome window manager, no desktop environment |
| 19:58.05 | queso | cra1g321: Though all the gnome packages are installed. |
| 19:58.30 | queso | The problem is I purchased a USB headset and the sound/mic isn't working on it. |
| 19:58.44 | queso | I think I had it working at one time, but the volumn controls on the headset aren't working. |
| 19:59.15 | somiaj | queso: well if you aren't using pulse check alsamixer, you can hit f6 to change the sound card and then set the mixxer settings for that sound card |
| 19:59.35 | somiaj | queso: you must also configure your apps to output to the correct sound card. If you are using pulseaudio you need to use different tools |
| 19:59.50 | queso | somiaj: Pulseaudio is running. |
| 20:00.17 | somiaj | then install and use the program 'pavucontrol' you ont only control which sound card gets used, you can control the mixer settings |
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| 20:01.35 | queso | Is that a gui program? |
| 20:01.48 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 20:02.00 | queso | I will try that, thanks |
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| 20:07.08 | queso | What does the "Set as fallback" button do? |
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| 20:12.04 | somiaj | queso: pulseaudio can change the sound card on the fly with out effecting the programs, probablyl allows you to set a secondary card to output to if say your usbhead set is not plugged in |
| 20:13.27 | imt_ | Which Linux kernel has PPTP support? (2.6.18 version?) |
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| 20:14.12 | queso | somiaj: Okay, thanks. |
| 20:14.37 | dgriffi | has anyone here installed Sonicwall Netextender on Wheezy lately? I can't figure out why libssl.so.6 is missing |
| 20:14.39 | queso | My USB headset's mic mute button is working. But the volume mute and volume up/down buttons are not working. Is it possible to get these to work? |
| 20:14.54 | queso | This is the USB headset that I have: http://www.imicro.com/item.php?item=SP-IM320 |
| 20:14.57 | somiaj | imt_: many kernels will have that, it is probabaly better to check your current kernel. grep PPTP /boot/config-version will tell you what options are enabled on that kernel. |
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| 20:16.57 | somiaj | queso: I am unsure on that question. If the headset doens't have hardware to adjust the volume and is sending info to the machine to adjust it you may have to figure out what events are getting set and listen for them. |
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| 20:17.19 | queso | I have no idea how to do that... |
| 20:17.45 | somiaj | queso: here is one thing you can try, run 'xev' in a console, and focus the small window it pops up. then once everything settles down click the up volume and down volume button, do you see any output that a key was being pressed? |
| 20:18.12 | cra1g321 | is thinking xfce4-volumed might solve somiaj's issue |
| 20:18.20 | queso | somiaj: Yes, events are popping out using that tool. |
| 20:18.51 | queso | Is it possible that this would work if I switched to Gnome 3? |
| 20:18.56 | queso | Does Gnome 3 watch for these events? |
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| 20:19.09 | queso | I'm going to ditch awesome window manager, it's a huge pain. |
| 20:19.30 | queso | of course I don't really like gnome 3 at all, so I'm not sure what I should use. Ugh. |
| 20:19.43 | somiaj | dgriffi: I do not see any libary by that name in wheezy, seems like an older version of libssl it is wanting. The one in debian wheezy is libssl1.0.0 |
| 20:19.51 | cra1g321 | oops menat queso |
| 20:20.12 | queso | The Debian 7 skype .deb file doesn't install without being broken, either -- I wish these companies would get their acts together and make software that works. |
| 20:20.31 | somiaj | queso: I don't know as I don't use desktop enviorments. But if you can figure out if it is a key press event you can then use your awesome windowmanager and set up a key binding to raise/lower volumes as it sees those events. |
| 20:20.33 | valdyn | queso: actually, skype 7 works |
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| 20:20.56 | valdyn | queso: or are you trying to say that they should have a proper repo? |
| 20:21.08 | queso | valdyn: I downloaded the "dynamic" version, which appears to be working. |
| 20:21.09 | somiaj | queso: you need to 1) install multiarch on amd64 systems so you can install i386 binaries, and 2) after the .deb fails, apt-get -f install should go fetch the dependences you are missing. |
| 20:21.26 | cra1g321 | install the debian version |
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| 20:21.32 | valdyn | queso: yea, they all work iirc |
| 20:21.33 | queso | somiaj: That still fails, apt thinks the skype package is broken and if I do anything else it uninstalls skype. |
| 20:21.44 | queso | I have a 64bit machine. |
| 20:22.01 | cra1g321 | because i think the debian version might just be for debian ;) |
| 20:22.02 | somiaj | did you enable multiarch first? |
| 20:22.04 | valdyn | queso: apt is sometimes stupid, you need to help it figure the depends sometimes, especially in multiarch |
| 20:22.13 | queso | somiaj: Yes, I did. |
| 20:22.32 | cra1g321 | queso some awesome guy made a tutorial - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114984 |
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| 20:22.51 | cra1g321 | ;) |
| 20:23.23 | queso | I did that. It installed skype and appeared to work. But any time I go into aptitude, it keeps saying skype is broken -- and will attempt to uninstall it. |
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| 20:23.39 | cra1g321 | well you didnt use the debian package |
| 20:23.44 | cra1g321 | you used the dynamic version |
| 20:23.45 | queso | Yes I did. |
| 20:23.50 | queso | I used the debian package. |
| 20:23.59 | queso | skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb |
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| 20:24.10 | valdyn | queso: you should dpkg -i skype.deb, followed by apt-get -f install, which will probably fail because apt-get fails to figure out the depends properly, then you apt-get install some packages to fix this |
| 20:24.12 | somiaj | queso: if you use the debian package and have multiarch and only debian repos set up it does work. It could be you have some strange setup on your system making apt not able to figure out the depends correctly (or causing them to not be seen) |
| 20:24.57 | cra1g321 | ah, skype have listed "Dynamic" in the download options, thought you meant that when you said dynamic |
| 20:25.00 | queso | Well the dynamic version appears to be working fine. |
| 20:25.22 | queso | yes, after the debian package kept giving me problems, I switched to the dynamic version and it seems to work. |
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| 20:25.59 | somiaj | wonder what they mean by Dynamic, usually it is the static linked version that works well on various systems. (: |
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| 20:27.33 | queso | well it looks like the usb headset is working, I can configure the volume using the pavucontrol program. |
| 20:28.34 | muk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.41 | somiaj | !mint |
| 20:28.41 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:29.08 | somiaj | muk: we don't support mint due to both social and technical reasons, please use their support mentioned in that factoid. |
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| 20:32.30 | shibboleth | social reasons? |
| 20:34.27 | slurpymcdurpy | !mintppc |
| 20:34.28 | dpkg | MintPPC (formerly Linux MintPPC) is a Linux distribution for <PowerPC> systems based on <Linux Mint> LXDE and Debian. It is not supported in #debian or #debianppc. http://mintppc.org/ #mintppc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:34.42 | slurpymcdurpy | !based on debian |
| 20:34.42 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:36.38 | aqeelat | Hi there |
| 20:37.13 | aqeelat | I have a raspberry pi with raspian installed on it. is this the right place to ask questions? |
| 20:37.15 | somiaj | shibboleth: yes we are volunteers here to support debian, as such part of the not supported in #debian is a social stance as we want to support debian and not it's derivatives. |
| 20:37.23 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 20:37.24 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 20:37.29 | shibboleth | argument accepted |
| 20:37.40 | somiaj | aqeelat: for that paticular image please use their support, though we do support a pure debian install on that hardware. (: |
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| 20:37.53 | Roland- | hello I am havings some issues: Attempt to access disallowed key 'name' in a restricted hash at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 43, <DEBCONF_CONFIG> chunk 1. |
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| 20:38.13 | Soupr | Hi, what is the best way to set up 2 screens? |
| 20:38.30 | aqeelat | it's not rasbian specific question. |
| 20:38.34 | somiaj | Roland-: we may need more info, as to what you are trying to do when you got that error. Sounds like there is a bad key name in there for some reason. |
| 20:38.50 | Soupr | They are currently mirrored and one has some graphic issues |
| 20:39.06 | somiaj | Soupr: depends on your setup, if you use a DE they should have a display control pannel you can just use to configure multiple screens. Most modern graphics drivers also use xrandr and you can configure it with that. |
| 20:39.13 | Roland- | somiaj I am doing a aptitude reinstall |
| 20:39.23 | Roland- | now I am doing an apt-get update and upgrade then |
| 20:39.31 | aqeelat | is there any way I can get my ip address without having to connect the raspberry to a screen? and without using nmap? |
| 20:39.45 | Roland- | I can't install any package anymore |
| 20:39.46 | Soupr | i tried to do it through xrandr and got an error saying the resoluton would be to high and wasn't supported |
| 20:39.59 | aqeelat | my dorm internet is a bitch, and the it support wont give me static ip |
| 20:40.06 | Soupr | also reading a lot about xorg configs |
| 20:40.13 | somiaj | aqeelat: it is still on raspbian which is not supported here. That is more a #networking question, if you have a dhcp server (such as a router) giving it an ip, you can configure the router to give it a static ip so you don't have to look, or ask the router what ip it assigned the macaddress of the hardware |
| 20:40.33 | somiaj | Roland-: what version of debian, care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
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| 20:40.51 | paul_grozav | what's wrong with ftp.ro.debian.org ? |
| 20:40.58 | somiaj | aqeelat: you could write a post-up script that after the machine comes up it sends the ip out somewhere you can then read it from. |
| 20:41.11 | somiaj | paul_grozav: could just be a troubled mirror, have you tried another mirror? |
| 20:41.17 | Roland- | paul_grozav most of them are down, roedu is down, xservers are down and the ro.debian.org is pointing to xservers |
| 20:41.26 | Roland- | and the other hosting one is kaputt as well. |
| 20:41.40 | paul_grozav | why are they down? what's happening? |
| 20:41.45 | Roland- | somiaj https://dpaste.de/8tME |
| 20:41.50 | dgriffi | does anyone here use Sonicwall Netextender? |
| 20:41.58 | Roland- | roedu is upgradig and xservers mirrors is showing nothing. |
| 20:41.59 | aqeelat | somiaj: debian networking? cuz I was thinking of a script that emails me the ip when it changes |
| 20:42.02 | somiaj | Soupr: well look at the output of xrandr -q -- what is to big about the resolution, is it saying the capabilities of the monintors is not as high as you want. |
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| 20:43.00 | somiaj | aqeelat: depends on how you bring the interface up but if you use the interfaces file, there is an post-up option (or even /etc/network/if-up.d/) you can use to run a script after the interfaces is up and has an ip |
| 20:43.23 | Soupr | it shows that I have 2 screens both 1920x1080 |
| 20:43.25 | paul_grozav | do we have an ETA for this process? |
| 20:43.39 | Roland- | no |
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| 20:43.56 | karlpinc | I thought I could frob what runs at wnat runlevel by add lsb config stuff to /etc/insserv/override/<service>. But this does not seem to work. Running "insserv <service>" tells me about the changes to the defaults but does not change the symlinks. |
| 20:44.10 | somiaj | Roland-: that is a strange error, I would not expect such a thing from wheezy packages. You could try to google the error but it sounds like a bad key name is being used somewhere. |
| 20:44.31 | somiaj | karlpinc: update-rc.d is the command to change the links |
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| 20:45.33 | somiaj | karlpinc: well the suggested command on debian systems, I'm surprised insserv didn't work though. |
| 20:45.41 | Roland- | yeah it looks bad |
| 20:46.03 | aqeelat | somiaj: I was gonna ask about the interfaces file too. they way I does it now is manually and I couldn't get to work it through the file |
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| 20:46.33 | aqeelat | I also added a script to bin/local but it didn't excute with startup |
| 20:46.40 | somiaj | aqeelat: we are getting into raspbian stuff that isn't supported here, I gave you a starting point but if you have multiple things to work out please use their support. |
| 20:46.56 | karlpinc | somiaj: I run "update-rc.d nginx stop 0,1,2,6 start 3,4,5" and afterwards there's still a start symlink for nginx in rc2.d. |
| 20:47.44 | Roland- | could somebody please paste me an /etc/debconf.conf from wheezy ? |
| 20:48.17 | format_c | Roland-, could you please nopaste what you do and what happens? |
| 20:48.24 | somiaj | karlpinc: are you sure it is a start link, what letter is in front of the link? |
| 20:48.33 | Roland- | ah |
| 20:48.33 | karlpinc | S |
| 20:48.34 | Roland- | fixed now |
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| 20:48.40 | Roland- | the debconf.conf was somehow altered |
| 20:49.17 | karlpinc | somiaj: There's a K link in there also, but the S link remains.... |
| 20:49.19 | somiaj | karlpinc: hmm, not sure what could be going on then. |
| 20:49.50 | somiaj | karlpinc: is this on debian wheezy or another debian version? |
| 20:49.56 | karlpinc | somiaj: wheezy |
| 20:50.03 | format_c | Roland-, good job. Somehow altered. <bangheadonkeyboard>:wq! |
| 20:50.28 | aqeelat | sorry |
| 20:50.29 | karlpinc | somiaj: I have run insserv manually a couple of times. Maybe I need to re-initialize the defaults and start again? (Does not sound right, but....) |
| 20:50.40 | aqeelat | what should the script be like? |
| 20:50.58 | Roland- | wasn't me playing with it |
| 20:51.03 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a rescue image i could boot via usb on a machine locked into secure boot? |
| 20:51.06 | karlpinc | somiaj: Or maybe run it with -v. |
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| 20:54.05 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea maybe it is confused, or just manually remove the S link since the K one is there. |
| 20:54.09 | somiaj | if what you want is it to work |
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| 20:54.58 | somiaj | RichiH: ubuntu images may support secure boot, but debian images as far as I know only support uefi but not secure. |
| 20:56.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: It's the "defaultness" of update-rc.d that's the problem. It won't change the links if they exist. You have to remove them and _then_ explicitly set them. |
| 20:57.35 | karlpinc | somiaj: I still don't know why /etc/insserv/overrides/<service> does not work. That'd be nice, since I can document what I'm doing in the file. |
| 20:57.59 | dgriffi | I'm trying to get the Sun Java package following https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun but it doesn't work |
| 20:58.36 | martinus | Hello. I was wondering if you guys could advise me on something. I have a few non-mission critical things I used a stable install for on a headless machine. It's recently given up the ghost so I was considering installing some of the services on an unstable debian install. I was using the server as a fileserver, lighttpd server and was in the process of setting up a mail server. all of these are for personal use. Am I be |
| 20:58.36 | martinus | tter starting from scratch and running a DTE on a stable install and getting the benefits of security and stability or would it be fine running these services on an unstable install? Many thanks for any advice you can offer. |
| 20:59.07 | dgriffi | the "bin" file doesn't appear to be downloadable. It's not in the tarballs offered either |
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| 20:59.31 | martinus | The unstable install is an already configured DT machine. |
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| 21:01.16 | martinus | Alternatively, if this is a question better asked on #debian-nect please advise. :) |
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| 21:01.23 | jhutchins | ,pciid 14e4:43a0 |
| 21:01.25 | judd | [14e4:43a0] is 'BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:43a0 |
| 21:01.32 | martinus | *#debian-next |
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| 21:02.05 | Nectur | !dpkg static mount |
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| 21:02.18 | dgriffi | does anyone here know anything about installing Sun Java on Wheezy? |
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| 21:02.55 | mtn | martinus: 1. have you run sid before? 2. how stable do you want the box to be? |
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| 21:03.44 | mtn | dgriffi: did you check out the debian wiki? it may have a section of java |
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| 21:05.32 | dgriffi | mtn: I did and it doesn't work. |
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| 21:06.15 | mtn | dgriffi: this channel doesn't really like the words "doesn't work". it doesn't really mean anything useful. if you want help, you need to explain your problem in detial |
| 21:06.25 | Nectur | every time i reboot my background is gone. what can i do to prevent it? |
| 21:06.32 | dgriffi | mtn: it refers to downloading a file ending with .bin, but I don't see it anywhere |
| 21:06.33 | KaaK | where can I find information about writing ifupdown hooks? |
| 21:06.45 | KaaK | i've not found much in the man pages for ifupdown |
| 21:07.49 | martinus | mtn: I run SID on my laptop and my desktop, I'm somewhat aware of it's 'nuances'. :) |
| 21:08.20 | mtn | martinus: ok, you should be able to make up your mind with your knowledge. |
| 21:08.34 | mtn | dgriffi: you were looking on this page? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html |
| 21:08.46 | dgriffi | mtn: I downloaded a JDK package, then ran make-jpkg like this: "make-jpkg jdk-8u20-linux-x64.tar.gz" |
| 21:08.51 | martinus | That being said I am not really that well versed in server administration and security so I really don't know what level of security I'm sacrificing (if any) by running sid. |
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| 21:09.10 | cra1g321 | sid is called unstable for a reason |
| 21:09.25 | dgriffi | mtn: that's where I was looking |
| 21:09.41 | Roland- | just a filly crazy question, df -h says 247M is used but du -sh / says 180, where could the rest be ? |
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| 21:10.37 | Nectur | i think it has something to do with the backgrounds being stored on external media but im not sure how i can fix it |
| 21:10.39 | mtn | dgriffi: what happened with that command? if more than 2 lines, use a paste site |
| 21:11.02 | Nectur | would making mounts static n fstab work? |
| 21:11.16 | mtn | Nectur: move your backgrounds to a mounted drive, like your home? |
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| 21:11.36 | Nectur | its SSD i prefer not to |
| 21:11.43 | mtn | heh |
| 21:11.43 | Nectur | to reduce wear |
| 21:11.53 | dgriffi | mtn: http://pastebin.com/KideJLfS |
| 21:12.05 | Nectur | ive got a lot of backgrounds |
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| 21:12.35 | mtn | dgriffi: and then? |
| 21:12.59 | dgriffi | mtn: that was it. I never got the .deb file I was expecting |
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| 21:13.12 | Nectur | mtn: actually i hope to move the entire /home to external media eventually |
| 21:13.50 | Nectur | but if backgrounds dont work moving the rest will make it worse ^^ |
| 21:14.27 | mtn | dgriffi: are you sure that command makes a .deb? |
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| 21:15.15 | dgriffi | mtn: that's what https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun suggests. |
| 21:15.33 | martinus | mtn: thanks, I'll have a go and see what breaks. :) |
| 21:15.51 | HazardX | I just updated a debain 6.something system o 7.6, and now I can't su as my admin user...and I know there's a thing to do I can't remember |
| 21:15.54 | martinus | later .o/ |
| 21:15.58 | HazardX | (and google just tells me how to setup sudo, which isn't helpful) |
| 21:16.11 | mtn | dgriffi: did you install the java-package first? you are still leaving out many many details |
| 21:16.12 | dgriffi | HazardX: can you just "su" |
| 21:16.21 | dgriffi | mnt: yes, I installed that |
| 21:16.53 | HazardX | dgriffi, no, that's kinda the problem, I can login as root (from the console), but my admin user (from ssh) needs to be able to su for a root temrinal |
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| 21:17.29 | dgriffi | HazardX: can anyone become superuser in any way right now? |
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| 21:17.43 | HazardX | dgriffi, nope :D (other than login from console) |
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| 21:17.57 | dgriffi | HazardX: and I suppose the console is not available? |
| 21:18.10 | HazardX | actually it is, its just...super annoying |
| 21:18.17 | HazardX | (VNC) |
| 21:18.38 | mtn | dgriffi: does this dir exist? /usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.6-oracle |
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| 21:18.59 | dgriffi | mtn: no |
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| 21:19.10 | mtn | dgriffi: ok. out of ideas :) |
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| 21:20.04 | dgriffi | does anyone else know how to install Sun Java on Wheezy? |
| 21:20.27 | dgriffi | HazardX: I guess you'll have to go to the console then |
| 21:22.09 | HazardX | why...has my wheel group gone away?! |
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| 21:22.48 | jhutchins | Nectur: How old is the ssd? |
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| 21:23.27 | dgriffi | HazardX: you're more used to BSD? |
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| 21:23.47 | dgriffi | HazardX: essentially, you need your friend to be a member of the sudo group |
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| 21:24.28 | HazardX | no, I've alway just had it setup to use 'su' to get a root cmd prompt from a specific user (that has no way to login other than ssh with passwordless keys) |
| 21:24.31 | codedwrench | hello |
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| 21:24.57 | HazardX | so rather than having sudo around (and having to remember another password), I've just used su |
| 21:24.58 | codedwrench | anyone know how to run a console application on your monitor via ssh |
| 21:25.18 | HazardX | well, I created a wheel group, and made the admin user part of it, now su works again (yay!) |
| 21:25.20 | HazardX | stupid updater |
| 21:25.45 | dgriffi | HazardX: what distro are you using that has a wheel group? |
| 21:26.10 | HazardX | This debian box *USED* to have one, (before the update) |
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| 21:26.18 | HazardX | I don't remember if I'm the one that originally made that group |
| 21:26.31 | jhutchins | HazardX: ALthough that's a standard, hardly anybody seems to use it. |
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| 21:26.53 | dgriffi | HazardX: I'd do some hard thinking on why that was done so you don't have this problem again. Wheel is a BSD-ism |
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| 21:27.21 | Nectur | jhutchins 2 weeks |
| 21:27.28 | codedwrench | anyone know how to run a console application on your monitor via ssh |
| 21:27.29 | HazardX | I thik it got deleted because it was GID 10, which is now some other group (by the standard) |
| 21:27.39 | Nectur | oops months |
| 21:28.16 | HazardX | normally I use gentoo, and most of mystems have completley arbitrary assignments of GID/UIDs for like..everything (since I'm bad at consistanenty) |
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| 21:28.21 | HazardX | but it keeps things interesting :D |
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| 21:37.14 | kline | what sort of reasons would a debian device not take an ip from the attached interfaces file? http://paste.debian.net/122502/ |
| 21:37.30 | kline | eth0 is connected to a switch with one other device, 192.168.99.1 |
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| 21:43.17 | valdyn | kline: run "ifup eth0" tell us what you get, run "ifdown eth0", tell us what you get too |
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| 21:43.41 | valdyn | kline: actually, in reversed order too |
| 21:43.43 | jhutchins | kline: If something like network-manager is overwriting it, or if it's not configured correctly. |
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| 21:43.51 | magnulu | good folks, I have a general question about openvpn - my provider (anonine) recently changed their setup, so now I am connected with a tun instead of a tap! this seems to have broken my port forwarding configured on my router.. is this expected, or should it work (as in: should I research a bit more)? |
| 21:44.18 | magnulu | I know there are many loose ends in my story and question.. |
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| 21:44.41 | kline | valdyn, oh hey, ifdown && ifup resolved it. id been using ifconfig eth0 up/down to do so - do they actually do anything different? |
| 21:44.48 | valdyn | magnulu: tun or tap does not change the port, but the port might have changed anyway |
| 21:44.53 | jhutchins | kline: Take a look at syslog and dmesg, see if there are clues there. If something else on the network has that address it won't work. |
| 21:45.03 | jhutchins | kline: I notice you don't have a gateway. |
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| 21:45.19 | valdyn | kline: debians ifconfig is a layer beneath ifup / ifdown and it does not read your interfaces file |
| 21:45.21 | kline | jhutchins, nothing else has that ip, and yes, its not an internet connected network |
| 21:45.34 | kline | valdyn, ah, thank you very much |
| 21:45.37 | jhutchins | kline: Yeah, that part is explained. |
| 21:46.23 | magnulu | valdyn: ok, then I guess they have changed their ports as well.. so, just to teaspoon a bit: I should be able to use the same port forwarding configuration regardless of the changes from tap to tun? |
| 21:46.35 | magnulu | if the ports did not change that is |
| 21:46.52 | valdyn | magnulu: its a vpn |
| 21:47.26 | valdyn | magnulu: if you can connect then *their* port does not matter to you anymore |
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| 21:48.28 | valdyn | magnulu: 1194 is the openvpn default i think |
| 21:48.59 | magnulu | valdyn: afaik only a small port range is open for incoming connections... ranging from 1194 and up... |
| 21:49.23 | valdyn | magnulu: thats confusing |
| 21:49.43 | valdyn | magnulu: the vpn runs over a single port |
| 21:50.04 | valdyn | magnulu: traffic inside the vpn should have all ports available |
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| 21:50.40 | magnulu | valdyn: ok, I get it.. |
| 21:50.46 | magnulu | lemme check7 |
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| 21:53.07 | valdyn | magnulu: and udp is also probably default and its better (than tcp) |
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| 21:55.09 | buu | Does tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 1109/apache2; mean apache is also listening in ipv4? |
| 21:55.18 | valdyn | buu: yes |
| 21:55.31 | sleenk | magnulu: is it possible that your interface changed when their configuration changed? e.g. tap1 to tun1, and your firewall/forwarding rules are dependent on the interface? |
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| 21:56.38 | valdyn | buu: an ipv4 address is also a shorthand to an ipv6 address |
| 21:56.43 | magnulu | folks - it's as easy as they have changed their port to 443.. sorry for wasting your time |
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| 21:57.26 | magnulu | however, now I am in the issue of trying to start rtorrent listening on port 443, which I assume I can only do as root, right? |
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| 21:57.43 | valdyn | magnulu: thats fucked up |
| 21:57.48 | Dagger | buu: depends on what net.ipv6.bindv6only is set to. the default of 0 means that yes, it'll accept v4 connections |
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| 21:58.05 | magnulu | valdyn: totally fubar |
| 21:58.15 | valdyn | magnulu: were talking about vpn and you talk about a port of a network program, that makes no sense |
| 21:58.30 | magnulu | valdyn: really? :) |
| 21:58.33 | valdyn | magnulu: lets assume you have a vpn, tun0 |
| 21:58.48 | valdyn | magnulu: *you* make sure your traffic goes via tun0 |
| 21:59.15 | valdyn | magnulu: its totally irrelevant which ports rtorrent might be using |
| 22:00.34 | sleenk | anything under < 1023 usually requires root privileges, to my understanding |
| 22:01.04 | magnulu | valdyn: ok.. so rtorrent should be able to accept incoming connections on any port I choose, as long as I configure port forwarding correctly? |
| 22:01.10 | valdyn | magnulu: theres a number of way to ensure that rtorrent uses tun1, none of which specifically enforce that port |
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| 22:01.52 | valdyn | magnulu: is your vpn endpoint on a different computer than rtorrent? |
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| 22:02.55 | valdyn | magnulu: if your rtorrent and only your rtorrent is supposed to use the vpn, then it makes no sense to me why they wouldnt run on the same box |
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| 22:03.26 | magnulu | valdyn: local server running rtorrent, connected to my vpn provider -> router -> The Internet |
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| 22:03.51 | sleenk | magnulu: was your rtorrent working before the changes from your VPN provider? |
| 22:04.13 | valdyn | magnulu: ok, your router needs to forward the vpn port |
| 22:04.37 | magnulu | valdyn: aha! I get it.. let me try |
| 22:04.52 | valdyn | magnulu: your rtorrent needs to just run, thats all *if* the vpn endpoint on that same box also has the default route |
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| 22:06.27 | valdyn | magnulu: if the vpn though cannot have the default route, then it gets more complicated |
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| 22:06.47 | magnulu | the vpn has the default route |
| 22:06.49 | johtso | are there any offline debian installers that will allow me to install with a desktop environment, but without all the bundled applications? |
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| 22:07.15 | valdyn | johtso: any installer |
| 22:07.57 | johtso | valdyn: what would I need to do to stop those packages being installed? |
| 22:08.13 | valdyn | johtso: nothing, dont install them |
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| 22:08.35 | johtso | valdyn: but doesn't the installer install all those packages by default? |
| 22:08.37 | valdyn | !install gnome |
| 22:08.37 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 22:08.54 | valdyn | johtso: ^^ for example |
| 22:09.41 | johtso | I'm trying to avoid doing post install setup, was hoping for a self contained installation image that I could use offline |
| 22:09.56 | valdyn | johtso: you can do this offline |
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| 22:10.44 | valdyn | johtso: everyone does "post install setup", what would be the problem with that? |
| 22:11.00 | valdyn | (certainly everyone who knows what he is doing anyway ) |
| 22:11.34 | magnulu | valdyn: I have forwarded port 443 (and also 1195-1201 to be sure), as well as the ports rtorrent is listening to... still not working - worked as a charm before my provider changed stuff |
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| 22:11.45 | magnulu | valdyn: I'll drop them the question I think |
| 22:12.08 | johtso | I'm trying to set up an "air gapped" computer, so the fewer extra packages to install the better as I'm going to be using apt-offline |
| 22:12.42 | valdyn | johtso: seriously, cant you just use a dvd or a cdrom? |
| 22:13.27 | valdyn | johtso: apt-offline is probably ok for security updates, but its not for installing a system |
| 22:13.58 | johtso | I'm doing the initial install from one of the live .isos |
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| 22:21.01 | Okee | What are people using to draw bar charts? i find the bar chat a bit buggy in Libreoffice, and also a bit confusing. |
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| 22:21.52 | somiaj | Okee: there are various pieces of software out there, gnuplot is a simple well know tool for drawing plots on linux |
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| 22:22.11 | Okee | somiaj> Thanks |
| 22:23.06 | Okee | somiaj> Says it is already installed, but I don't find it. |
| 22:23.19 | Okee | I do have GIMP. |
| 22:23.21 | somiaj | gnu plot draws really nice plots, but you may find it more difficult to use than a spreadsheet |
| 22:23.43 | somiaj | type 'gnuplot' in a terminal, it is mostly text base but it will popup a grapical window with the plot once you set all the options, you will most likely need a tutorial on how to use it |
| 22:24.02 | somiaj | GIMP is nice to edit images if you wanted to make them look nicer but creating a chart with GIMP may not be the easiest |
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| 22:24.30 | somiaj | Okee: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/327576/how-do-you-plot-bar-charts-in-gnuplot |
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| 22:24.43 | magnulu | Okee: for me, gnuplot had a steep learning curve, but it was well worth it.. lots of tutorials and examples out there :-) |
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| 22:25.34 | chrisb | a recent update changed my touchpad/cursor behavior...where should i make adjustments? should i remove and reinstall xorg? |
| 22:25.44 | Okee | magnulu> I think my most immediate problem is just how to open the program. Where is it? |
| 22:25.51 | somiaj | chrisb: what version of debian do you run? |
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| 22:26.05 | somiaj | Okee: sa I said, type gnuplot in a terminal, and it will run it |
| 22:26.13 | chrisb | somiaj: testing |
| 22:26.17 | magnulu | Okee: listen to somiaj :-) |
| 22:26.52 | Okee | somiaj> I typed gnuplot, and now terminal shows gnuplot>, and nothing more. |
| 22:26.56 | somiaj | chrisb: I wonder if it is an update where it is using some fancy touchpad driver over the stock ps/2 mouse interface, what is the output of 'xinput --list' do you see your touchpad listed? |
| 22:27.20 | somiaj | Okee: you are now at a gnuplot terminal, all commands you type are sent to gnuplot, follow a tutorial on how to get it to plot. |
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| 22:29.19 | chrisb | somiaj: dmesg shows psmouse serio1: synaptics: touchpad: Model 1 |
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| 22:29.32 | unstable | Is it possible to move a file in a deb, to a new location? |
| 22:29.40 | unstable | eg, /etc/init.d/smartd to /etc/init.d/smartmontools |
| 22:30.13 | somiaj | unstable: not without rebuilding the package, any reason you need to change the name of that initscript? |
| 22:30.51 | chrisb | installs xinput |
| 22:31.10 | unstable | somiaj: I did actually just build the package. I can't find out where to rename /etc/init.d/smartd to /etc/init.d/smartmontools. THe source is here: http://svn.code.sf.net/p/smartmontools/code/trunk/smartmontools/ |
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| 22:31.30 | somiaj | chrisb: On my machine I have a new fancy touchpad from dell that is buggy and losses sync so I use the generic ps/2 driver (but I get no special touchpad functionality). What functionality changed during the last upgrade. |
| 22:32.13 | somiaj | unstable: I haven't built packages with init scripts in them, so unsure where they get named. You may get a much better answer in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:32.27 | somiaj | unstable: did you grep the debian/ for any mention of the word smartd? |
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| 22:32.45 | unstable | somiaj: yes, it's there hundreds of times all over |
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| 22:35.20 | somiaj | unstable: well I did notice you have the initscript in a file called smartd.init.in, That might be what is setting the name, but you should be able to put some override in debian/rules (I belive) to change it's name while leaving the source names alone. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may have someone with far more experience in this than I. |
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| 22:40.11 | HazardX | anyone know where I might be able to find an init.d script that makes (and maintains) a ssh connection to a server elsewhere? (its for forwarding ports, right now its done by a really really bad cron script) |
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| 22:44.52 | unstable | somiaj: That doesn't set the name, that's just the contents of the file. |
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| 22:45.42 | somiaj | unstable: well I would assume a standard build script would use that file to generate the name, I did a quick google search but didn't see a way to override a file name in the debian/, it may also be tied to the MakeFile |
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| 22:46.04 | somiaj | but as I said, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net will most likely have this knowledge and not just talk you though it like I would try |
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| 22:49.02 | valdyn | HazardX: you want to use "autossh" anyway |
| 22:49.18 | dimitry7 | Hey guys! If I have only ssh key authentication enabled... is it still possible a brute force attack to be successful? |
| 22:49.31 | valdyn | dimitry7: of course |
| 22:49.41 | dimitry7 | valdyn, how can I preent it? |
| 22:49.46 | valdyn | dimitry7: you cant |
| 22:49.51 | cafuego | don't run sshd |
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| 22:50.09 | dimitry7 | really? hahaha... okay but... how can I be it much more complicated to succeed? |
| 22:50.17 | dimitry7 | * make it |
| 22:50.31 | valdyn | dimitry7: its sufficiently "complicated" already |
| 22:50.31 | cafuego | It already is, with key auth only. |
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| 22:50.48 | cafuego | Just not *technically* impossible. |
| 22:51.19 | dimitry7 | Is there a tool to ssh not accepting any keys for a while? not even the valid ones, once certain attempts have been made? |
| 22:51.30 | cafuego | fail2ban is what you're after |
| 22:51.37 | dimitry7 | perfect! |
| 22:51.42 | cafuego | doesn't block by key, but by IP address |
| 22:52.01 | dimitry7 | cafuego, OMG... well... that's cool! |
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| 22:52.22 | dimitry7 | so that if the're are gonna crack me.. at least is gonna take years |
| 22:52.42 | dimitry7 | another thing... what docs would you recommend to me to tune my ssh config? |
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| 22:52.52 | dimitry7 | I've read the debian ones |
| 22:52.53 | cafuego | tune? tune for what? |
| 22:53.03 | valdyn | dimitry7: dont tune it |
| 22:53.04 | dimitry7 | cafuego, to be as much as safe |
| 22:53.25 | cafuego | rule 1 : don't enable things you don't need |
| 22:53.31 | cafuego | rule 2: see rule 1. |
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| 22:53.42 | dimitry7 | really? as installed in debian it is well configured by default? no need of further config? |
| 22:53.51 | kristopolous | does anyone here use thinkpad x series? |
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| 22:53.56 | dimitry7 | cafuego, hahah, okay!! where was that rule from? |
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| 22:55.48 | somiaj | dimitry7: disable password logins helps a lot (keys are far harder to crack). install something like fail2ban or denyhost to automatically block any ip that fails to login to ssh some multiple times in a row. |
| 22:55.49 | cafuego | dimitry7: just made it up |
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| 22:56.36 | somiaj | with either fail2ban or denyhost make sure you have multiple ways to the server, sometimes they get a bit crazy and block your host which sucks if you don't have other ips to access it form |
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| 22:57.06 | FaTony | how can I remotely login via ssh using keys? |
| 22:57.35 | valdyn | FaTony: ssh-copy-id user@host |
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| 22:57.40 | dimitry7 | somiaj, as always... excellent explaination and help. |
| 22:57.43 | dimitry7 | cafuego, same for you cafuego |
| 22:57.50 | dimitry7 | thank you so much both!!! |
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| 22:58.11 | cafuego | you're welcome |
| 22:58.24 | thoonai | FaTony: you copy the .pub part of your keypair to the server using scp and then cat *.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 22:58.45 | valdyn | thoonai: that is what ssh-copy-id is made for |
| 22:58.52 | somiaj | and make sure permissions on .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys is correct, servers refuse to use them if they are world readable. |
| 22:58.52 | FaTony | I did it but it only works when I also login locally |
| 22:59.03 | FaTony | oh |
| 22:59.07 | FaTony | wait a sec |
| 22:59.07 | thoonai | FaTony: this sounds quite strange |
| 22:59.28 | thoonai | valdyn: was there, done that, let me tell you: this works not |
| 22:59.41 | valdyn | thoonai: what? |
| 22:59.53 | valdyn | thoonai: are you saying that ssh-copy-id is broken? |
| 22:59.59 | thoonai | valdyn: yup |
| 23:00.06 | valdyn | thoonai: works for me |
| 23:00.36 | valdyn | (+ its safe an portable ) |
| 23:00.40 | thoonai | valdyn: did you bought "MagicalKeyboard 5+ Mana" in the store? |
| 23:00.47 | FaTony | where is .ssh directory must be? |
| 23:00.53 | cafuego | FaTony: ~/.ssh |
| 23:01.05 | FaTony | for which user? |
| 23:01.12 | thoonai | valdyn: a.k.a. it does not work for me, can't tell you why |
| 23:01.18 | kristopolous | has anyone had issues with poor color contrast for i915 drivers? |
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| 23:01.23 | cafuego | FaTony: The one you're logging in as, of course. |
| 23:01.24 | thoonai | FaTony: the user you want to log in as |
| 23:01.30 | FaTony | ok |
| 23:01.34 | thoonai | cafuego: :P |
| 23:02.39 | thoonai | valdyn: sorry, din't want to mock you, I'm just unfamiliar with it and as I used it (Ubuntu 9.10) it didn't work |
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| 23:03.04 | thoonai | FaTony: root is in /root, every user else is in /home/$USER |
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| 23:04.52 | Max-P | Hi, I have been trying to troubleshoot a weird disk issue on my server in the past week. It appears both my host and guest machines disk writes slows down to a crawl, top shows 99%wa, iotop doesn't show more than a few KB/s of bandwidth usage. |
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| 23:05.32 | cafuego | Max-P: Does `dmesg' have anything to say about it? |
| 23:06.05 | Max-P | cafuego, Nope. Just a couple of unrelated messages from KVM but that's about it. |
| 23:06.14 | somiaj | sometimes bad drives cause the ata device to reset making no writes/reads work for a small period of time. |
| 23:06.31 | valdyn | Max-P: are you talking about virtual machines? |
| 23:06.39 | cafuego | Max-P: Anything in the drive's smart logs? |
| 23:06.48 | Max-P | Yeah, I checked the logs for any SATA errors, but I can't find anything. |
| 23:07.04 | cafuego | Max-P: On the host, not the guests right |
| 23:07.07 | Max-P | I'll add that it's a soft-RAID1 system with mdadm, in case it matters |
| 23:07.12 | cafuego | Max-P: Swap? |
| 23:07.39 | jhutchins | Max-P: Do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 23:07.43 | Max-P | Yes, I'm checking the host as it's the host that has an issue. apt-get upgrade took 48 minutes on it, it's really bad |
| 23:08.03 | Max-P | No swap used, no. Even tried disabling it entirely for the moment, didn't fix anything |
| 23:08.29 | Max-P | Yes smartmontools is installed, I tried doing a -a on both drives but everything seems normal to me. |
| 23:08.39 | Max-P | Hold on, will copy the logs of both disks |
| 23:09.06 | jhutchins | Max-P: Loose cable? |
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| 23:10.01 | thoonai | jhutchins: I really thought about 20s how a virtual machine can have a loose cable *facepalm* |
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| 23:10.44 | cafuego | thoonai: ya really, they all have wifi |
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| 23:11.43 | thoonai | cafuego: huh? I know jhutchins meant the host cable, but I was a bit slow ^^ |
| 23:11.44 | jhutchins | thoonai: Well, if the HOST has a bad cable... |
| 23:11.45 | Max-P | thoonai, That would be possible on the host still. I said I use virtual machines just to add all the information, but I'm actually troubleshooting the host bare-metal machine |
| 23:11.54 | jhutchins | Er, thoonai |
| 23:12.12 | Max-P | jhutchins, cafuego here's the smartctl -a of both drives: http://d.max-p.me/temp/debian-smartctl.txt |
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| 23:12.30 | thoonai | jhutchins: yes, I'm slow, its late ^^ |
| 23:12.30 | jhutchins | Max-P: So no disk errors evident on the host, just probles on the VMs? |
| 23:12.48 | thoonai | Max-P: yes, I'm slow, its late ^^ |
| 23:13.05 | jhutchins | Max-P: Could be a problem with RAM. |
| 23:13.06 | Max-P | jhutchins, Problems on the host too. Even the host slows down to a crawl. The 48 minutes apt-get was on the host |
| 23:13.50 | jhutchins | Max-P: I'd consider reseating ram and drive cables. |
| 23:14.18 | thoonai | Max-P: which FS do you use? |
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| 23:14.52 | cafuego | Max-P: the md array isn't currently rebuilding is it? |
| 23:14.59 | thoonai | Max-P: probably the journaling is somehow defect? |
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| 23:15.20 | Max-P | jhutchins, Unfortunately I can't do that. It's in a datacenter, it's an OVH server to be precise. We don't have software support, so I have to tell them what drive is faulty if one needs to be replaced |
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| 23:15.51 | Max-P | cafuego, Not that I know of, no. The setup worked fine, and then some morning I got an emergency call from the boss saying the website took literal minutes to load |
| 23:16.08 | jhutchins | Max-P: vbox? |
| 23:16.14 | Max-P | libvirt+qemu |
| 23:16.30 | cafuego | Max-P: Is it acceptable to turn off the VMs and check if that speeds up the host? |
| 23:16.35 | valdyn | Max-P: how big is the libvirt process now? |
| 23:16.53 | valdyn | Max-P: it leaks, on wheezy |
| 23:17.17 | Max-P | thoonai, It's on ext4. How can I check the journal state? |
| 23:17.54 | Max-P | cafuego, No, unfortunately not. I tried shutting down everything but the essential, but even when the VM is mostly idle it's slow |
| 23:17.59 | thoonai | Max-P: don't know, just a guess I google it ;) |
| 23:18.00 | valdyn | Max-P: i have to restart my vms every couple months for that reason |
| 23:18.08 | KTL | for whoever it may concern ... if you accidentally install the nvidia-dkms driver together with the legacy nvidia driver, then initrd will try to do the legacy - which does not work on my system - will force me to reload the module in the terminal, start kdm manually, this will break something in policykit and as a result the combo network-manager/kde-network-manager-applet/kwallet will be completely broken and noone will be able to tell yo |
| 23:18.08 | KTL | u why that is. |
| 23:18.11 | cafuego | If your FS was erroring, you'd see it. |
| 23:19.05 | Max-P | cafuego, I do know however that it happens even on host-only partitions, such as the root partiton. I tried changing the IO scheduler to cfq, deadline or noop, without any change |
| 23:19.30 | cafuego | Max-P: Booted a new kernel recently at all? |
| 23:19.52 | Max-P | valdyn, libvirt appears fine. I had 417 days of uptime before rebooting last week. It worked fine for 400 days, and the problem didn't disappear after the reboot. |
| 23:20.06 | Max-P | cafuego, No kernel change at all, machine had 400+ days of uptime. |
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| 23:20.34 | Max-P | rebooting probably made the kernel update as OVH machines netboot one of their custom kernels |
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| 23:20.37 | cafuego | Max-P: There was no new kernel installed (updated or whatever) during those 400+ days? |
| 23:21.15 | cafuego | Max-P: Right. I suspect that's a likely culprit :-( |
| 23:21.25 | Max-P | cafuego, No, I'm the only one managing the machine and didn't do any update. |
| 23:21.48 | Max-P | But I did reboot friday, and the problem went back immediately. |
| 23:21.49 | cafuego | Max-P: I mean the possibly updated custom kernel |
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| 23:22.27 | Max-P | cafuego, Except it had the problem before I rebooted, and it's a statically built kernel, it's not loading from NFS or anything. |
| 23:22.46 | cafuego | hrm |
| 23:23.28 | Max-P | I can't even have loaded a module by accident or anything, dynamic module loading is not enabled on it. I can try booting off the vanilla kernel, but I honestly doubt it will change anything. |
| 23:23.46 | Max-P | (vanilla = whatever is the latest one for wheezy) |
| 23:24.43 | cafuego | well, I'm sort of out of ideas at this point |
| 23:24.48 | somiaj | well I hear software-raid1, sure there isn't something wrong there as opposed to hardware (kernel)? |
| 23:25.00 | Max-P | The problem is also somehow intermittent. Like right now the system runs smoothly, but then in maybe an hour it will start spiking again on writes |
| 23:25.27 | cafuego | you running an unconcifured collectd? |
| 23:25.28 | thoonai | Max-P: does someone got access who shouldnt? |
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| 23:26.04 | valdyn | Max-P: does the network work fine at the same time? |
| 23:26.09 | Max-P | somiaj, I don't know. /proc/mdstat says the array is healthy, and I'm not sure I want to split the raid to check and risk having to rebuild a 2TB raid |
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| 23:26.34 | thoonai | Max-P: so the read/writes spikes on the host are caused by kvm, right? |
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| 23:26.49 | Max-P | thoonai, No, only my private key and OVH's one is allowed in |
| 23:27.40 | thoonai | does the vms are clean of intruders too? |
| 23:27.46 | Max-P | valdyn, Yes, full 200MB/s network without issues. Everything that's in RAM is blazing fast as supposed to |
| 23:27.52 | somiaj | we can keep guessing, but prowling the logs until you find some clue would be my suggestion. |
| 23:28.19 | Max-P | thoonai, I don't know, that's the issue. Nothing shows up in iotop, but I'm pretty sure the VM is also clean. |
| 23:28.50 | thoonai | ok |
| 23:28.52 | Max-P | [jdb2/md2-8] gets into uninterruptible sleep quite often, that's all I know |
| 23:29.33 | Max-P | I checked all the logs I could think of, I'm really puzzled right now. I've been on that issue for a whole week now :/ |
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| 23:30.55 | Max-P | I really think it's somehow related to the RAID, but I can't pinpoint it. I'd really like to rule out KVM from the equation entirely, but I can't seem to reproduce the issues without the random IO caused by the database |
| 23:31.42 | somiaj | so it is a random IO issue, you couldn't say just start copying/deleting large files around and see if that lags it? |
| 23:32.08 | valdyn | Max-P: so maybe nothing is wrong, except that the db handles the load badly? |
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| 23:33.10 | Max-P | valdyn, I thought about that at first. But it really appears that IO just completely dies for a moment. The process gets stuck into disk wait, and it stays there for several seconds without doing anything. |
| 23:33.28 | Max-P | If something was taking all the IO I'd see it in iotop, no? |
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| 23:34.05 | valdyn | Max-P: it should show a high percentage even if the actual datarate is low, yes |
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| 23:35.29 | valdyn | Max-P: what does it means "not doing anything" ? |
| 23:35.41 | valdyn | Max-P: you would accoustically hear disks when seeking? |
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| 23:36.31 | Max-P | valdyn, by "not doing anything" I mean the process doesn't get out of uninterruptible sleep and no data at all is returned from the process. It's not just slow, it's completely hung |
| 23:36.49 | Max-P | I unfortunately can't hear the disk as the machine is in a remote datacenter, all I have is SSH. |
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| 23:37.18 | valdyn | Max-P: so it could actually be thrashing |
| 23:37.46 | Max-P | Yes, aabsolutely. But from the software point of view, nothing is happening. Sorry for the confusion |
| 23:38.25 | valdyn | Max-P: see if vmstat can give you info |
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| 23:39.27 | thoonai | Max-P: does dstat shows some data flow in any direction? |
| 23:40.09 | Max-P | thoonai, I don't know. Going to try that. Which package provides that? |
| 23:40.18 | thoonai | dstat |
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| 23:44.15 | Max-P | thoonai, it's either in the kb/s, or at zero on both directions |
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| 23:44.47 | Max-P | I'm running a "dd if=/dev/urandom" in a loop, and sometimes it just stops, and the IO drops to 0. At the same time, the VM hangs too |
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| 23:45.29 | asterismo | hi people, can you tell me if this package is available in any version of debian? it is available for ubuntu, is for operating astronomical CCD cameras of SBIG brand: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libsbigudrv2-dev |
| 23:45.35 | thoonai | Max-P: ok that should be normal, the second post not |
| 23:45.38 | asterismo | thanks in advance |
| 23:45.58 | somiaj | ,v libsbigudrv2-dev |
| 23:45.59 | judd | No package named 'libsbigudrv2-dev' was found in i386. |
| 23:46.11 | thoonai | Max-P: sorry, I have to go , hopefully you get it solved, good luck |
| 23:46.14 | somiaj | asterismo: doesn't look like it, any more info on that package. |
| 23:46.26 | Max-P | thoonai, Thanks anyway, the more I try the closer I get to the solution1 |
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| 23:46.41 | somiaj | Max-P: wonder if it is a caching issue, if you run 'sync' a few times in another console can you force the speed to drop to 0 |
| 23:46.42 | Max-P | It might be the ext4 journal. |
| 23:46.48 | Okee | Does anyone on here use OpenOffice? |
| 23:47.10 | Okee | I installed OpenOffice, and it isn't showing up in the start menu, and isn't starting at the command line. Any ideas? |
| 23:47.13 | somiaj | Okee: polls aren't good questions, and debian ships with libreoffice not openoffice, so what is your interest in openoffice. |
| 23:47.39 | somiaj | we have no clue where you installed openoffice, could be you need to actually go into the directories that the binaries live |
| 23:48.37 | Max-P | somiaj, Humm, running sync in a loop right now, and it does stall the system |
| 23:48.46 | Max-P | can't even do an ls on another terminal |
| 23:49.11 | Okee | somiaj> chart program doesn't work correctly in the backports version of Library Office. |
| 23:50.13 | somiaj | Max-P: so that means it runs fine while things are in cache, but as soon as the cache is being written to the drive it has to wait for something to clear up to give it space to write to again. |
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| 23:50.24 | asterismo | somiaj: this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+package/libsbigudrv2-dev |
| 23:51.16 | Max-P | somiaj, Can confirm that, yes. I actually set my VM to have unsafe disk cache for the moment to avoid clients yelling, as writing cached data seems to work better. When I tried setting the VM to do direct IO it was unusable before the network even went up :/ |
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| 23:52.07 | somiaj | asterismo: it appears to not be in debian, I checked teh source package name. |
| 23:52.30 | somiaj | Max-P: well seems like your issue is the actual write to the raid, at this point sounds like a bad raid/hardware/filesystem....I wouldn't know much more than that |
| 23:52.50 | somiaj | Okee: well look at where you installed openoffice, being outside of debian packages things won't set up automatically, but I got to go |
| 23:53.05 | asterismo | can i download it and install it on debian 7? |
| 23:53.16 | asterismo | or maybe transform it to be a debian package? |
| 23:53.36 | Okee | somiaj> I just typed sudo apt-get install openoffice.org It didn't give me an option about where to install it. It isn't showing up with the whereis command. |
| 23:53.40 | asterismo | somiaj: this package is a very important package for astronomy/science community |
| 23:53.45 | asterismo | it allows to manage a whole lot of SBIG cameras |
| 23:53.46 | Max-P | somiaj, Yeah, so we're getting back to my initial guess of putting the fault on the soft-raid1 |
| 23:54.19 | somiaj | Okee: so where did you get this unoffical source? the openoffice.org package from the debian repos is just a transitional package to point at libreoffice and isn't really openoffice |
| 23:54.33 | deepblue | Can someone suggest webcam software that can record videostream with timestamps? |
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| 23:55.00 | somiaj | asterismo: if the source package from unbuntu is nice and doens't have ot many ubuntuisms (this is getting rare) you could build it on debian, but my quick search shows that it was not already packaged for debian. |
| 23:55.03 | Okee | somiaj> I got it from the Debian repo. I will look elsewhere. Thanks |
| 23:55.29 | somiaj | Okee: yea you'll have to install it form oracle (I think they own it now) and most likely put it in /opt or /usr/local and run it form there. |
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| 23:56.06 | somiaj | Max-P: well sounds like you have a mystery on your hands, best of skill |
| 23:56.50 | asterismo | somiaj: any guide or tutorial on compiling an ubuntu source package for debian 7? |
| 23:56.54 | Max-P | Alright, thanks for all your help guys |
| 23:57.17 | somiaj | !tell asterismo about ssb |
| 23:57.45 | somiaj | asterismo: no guarintee that would work, but if you can download the source package, you could just try to build it and see if it works. That is a loose guide |
| 23:57.49 | sterns | !tell steens about testing |
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| 23:57.52 | Max-P | I'll make a bunch of backups, route the traffic away from this machine and break the RAID and test individual drives |
| 23:57.56 | somiaj | sterns: /msg dpkg testing |
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