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| 00:00.36 | Nectur | I'm trying to check my hdd with smartctl but can't it to work just right |
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| 00:01.51 | Brigo | Nectur, what is the problem? |
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| 00:03.28 | Nectur | it only works i i test a partition /dev/sdf1 not the whole drive /dev/sdf something about an unknown usb bridge |
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| 00:04.26 | Nectur | the man says something about the -d option but can't figure where it goes |
| 00:04.48 | Brigo | Nectur, weird. Can you paste the output in paste.debian.net? |
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| 00:06.16 | Nectur | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/985f7aee/ |
| 00:07.29 | Nectur | i used the -d option than uit says read succes use -a to display >.> |
| 00:07.37 | Nectur | it* |
| 00:08.11 | kristian-aalborg | yay, I got bash working |
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| 00:08.26 | Nectur | kristian-aalborg: congratz |
| 00:08.45 | Brigo | Nectur, what is sdf? |
| 00:09.13 | Nectur | an external harddrive |
| 00:09.16 | kristian-aalborg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:09.36 | kristian-aalborg | then dpkg -i on the deb |
| 00:10.07 | Nectur | well actually it's an internal harddrive i bought that i put in an external enclosure |
| 00:10.24 | Brigo | Nectur, try sudo smartctl -d sat -a /dev/sdf |
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| 00:12.57 | Brigo | nectur: smartmountools says it is supported with -d sat option: http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices |
| 00:13.16 | Nectur | yes it works thanks |
| 00:13.30 | Nectur | Brigo: |
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| 00:15.06 | Brigo | Nectur, good for you :) |
| 00:15.14 | Nectur | It doesn't show bad sectors though |
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| 00:20.19 | coin3d | hi. is there a way to log the shutdown process? |
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| 00:21.04 | Jeeves_Moss | I'm lost once again on premissions. How do I add users to the www-data group? Then have r/w premissions via FTP |
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| 00:24.28 | jhutchins | coin3d: Not much is logged, what did you have in mind? |
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| 00:25.07 | jhutchins | Jeeves_Moss: More than one way. usermod -a -G www-data username works |
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| 00:25.31 | jhutchins | Jeeves_Moss: Make sure you use -a or you replace existing groups. |
| 00:27.26 | Jeeves_Moss | jhutchins, basically, I'm trying to add users to the www-data group so we can all have r/w access to the root folder. what would the command be again? |
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| 00:30.36 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: is the web server process supposed to be able to write to the web root? |
| 00:31.01 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: Usually the answer to that is "no". |
| 00:31.31 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: If you need to FTPto upload files that get SERVED via http, create a new group and give that group write access to the web docroot, not the http server. |
| 00:31.57 | Jeeves_Moss | ok, how do I do that? |
| 00:32.08 | cafuego | First up, create a new group. 'addgroup' |
| 00:33.32 | cafuego | then you add the suers who need access to that new group; adduser username groupname |
| 00:33.52 | cafuego | Finally, you need to do 2 things. |
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| 00:34.10 | Jeeves_Moss | do I need to add teh www-data user to that group? |
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| 00:34.26 | cafuego | Make the webroot writable by the new group (chgrp) AND make sure that the filesystem enforces that group on any new files. chmod g+s dirname |
| 00:34.39 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: No, the www-data user must not be able to write to disk. |
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| 00:35.01 | Jeeves_Moss | ok, so the command I run in the web root should me? |
| 00:35.03 | Jeeves_Moss | *be |
| 00:35.21 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: chgrp newgroupname -R . |
| 00:35.28 | cafuego | in the web root |
| 00:35.33 | cafuego | or you'll break the system |
| 00:35.39 | Jeeves_Moss | thanks |
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| 00:36.23 | cafuego | and then fixup eprmissions for existing files and dirs: chmod ug+rwX -R . (again, in the webroot) |
| 00:36.51 | cafuego | finally, set group inheritance; find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} + |
| 00:36.55 | cafuego | again, in the web root. |
| 00:37.02 | Jeeves_Moss | thanks |
| 00:37.24 | cafuego | To make sure files and dirs get created with the correct permissions, set the umask in the ftp server config to 0002 |
| 00:37.47 | cafuego | that means that newly uploaded files and dirs will be group writable |
| 00:38.00 | cafuego | and the g+s makes sure the group is your new groupname. |
| 00:38.20 | Jeeves_Moss | ok. I come from a Windows enviroment. |
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| 00:38.52 | Jeeves_Moss | YES!!!! It works |
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| 00:39.12 | C^^^^^ | Can I update && upgrade to patch for this shellshock exploit that i'm vulnerable to? |
| 00:39.22 | C^^^^^ | or is there a tutorial on how to patch |
| 00:39.32 | cafuego | Jeeves_Moss: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-System-Administration-Experts-Source/dp/1430219122 <-- chapter 4. |
| 00:39.47 | cafuego | C^^^^^: Which debian version are you running? |
| 00:39.50 | Jeeves_Moss | thanks! |
| 00:39.54 | C^^^^^ | wheezy 7.2 x64 |
| 00:40.00 | C^^^^^ | 7.6 sorry |
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| 00:40.09 | cafuego | which bash version? |
| 00:40.39 | C^^^^^ | GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
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| 00:40.51 | cafuego | package version, sorry :-) |
| 00:40.53 | cafuego | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l bash |
| 00:41.31 | C^^^^^ | 4.2+dfsg-0.1 amd64 GNU Bourne Again SHell |
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| 00:41.57 | cafuego | have you run apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade recently? |
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| 00:42.25 | C^^^^^ | yeah maybe there's an issue with my repositories should it patch the exploit? |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | Yes, the fix went into security 2 days ago |
| 00:42.47 | C^^^^^ | thank you i'll check again |
| 00:42.48 | C^^^^^ | sorry |
| 00:43.05 | cafuego | Do you have security.debian.org lietd in your sources.list? |
| 00:43.33 | C^^^^^ | i just fixed it yeah i see the bash package listed |
| 00:43.51 | cafuego | you should end up with version 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1 |
| 00:44.10 | C^^^^^ | Setting up bash (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3) ... |
| 00:44.17 | C^^^^^ | yup thank you |
| 00:44.20 | C^^^^^ | :) |
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| 00:44.27 | cafuego | Hah, that one's even newer than mine :-) |
| 00:44.45 | C^^^^^ | i'll have to read the change logs and see what was modified |
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| 00:45.04 | cafuego | You can install apt-listchanges |
| 00:45.13 | cafuego | that'll prompt you with the changelog before installation. |
| 00:45.22 | C^^^^^ | oh awesome |
| 00:45.30 | C^^^^^ | i'll install that package now |
| 00:45.45 | C^^^^^ | or is it a command? |
| 00:46.13 | C^^^^^ | oh i see that's much easier than going to the debian site |
| 00:46.31 | cafuego | C^^^^^: The changelogs are also under /usr/share/doc/packagename/changes.Debian.gz |
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| 01:17.48 | nesta | anyone here use GDM? I installed xfce4 and it has caused it to change.. it used to have my username when I booted up .. now I have to type in the username manually and the theme is completely changed.. I have been trying to restore it but no luck |
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| 01:35.38 | thoonai | the update this night was the final bash fix? |
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| 01:36.54 | thoonai | cause I had like 3 times updates for bash |
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| 01:49.39 | thoonai | ok I'm off for tonight |
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| 02:24.15 | wolfspy | hi, I changed my icon theme to Numix-Circle, which I downloaded and placed in /usr/share/icons, but the nautilus icons aren't changing. Everything else is changing but the nautilus icons. What can I do to fix this? |
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| 02:25.08 | wolfspy | oh also, the default color for a lot of applicaions is white which is hard to see because of my numix theme, is there any way to change this to black? An example would be the gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 02:47.53 | anotherone | guys, take a look, even when I was in my colleague, I never did so much mistake in my code, this guys is a emo coder |
| 02:47.56 | anotherone | https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140924071300-170035-why-you-cannot-trust-lennart-poettering-systemd |
| 02:48.31 | anotherone | how all the linux distro and linus torvalds let systemd slaves all unix projects |
| 02:49.01 | anotherone | sparta will fall (linux), all unix (linux-like) will fall |
| 02:49.04 | anotherone | ;) |
| 02:49.20 | anotherone | =***, the truth would come, sooner or later |
| 02:49.25 | anotherone | share this please |
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| 02:50.39 | anotherone | my kid code better |
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| 02:53.58 | ScottSteiner | is it possible to modify a subtitle so that its timing is delayed by 3 seconds? |
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| 03:01.33 | tekkbuzz | it's in the repos |
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| 03:04.54 | tekkbuzz | also there is: subtitlecomposer and subtitleeditor |
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| 03:15.27 | ScottSteiner | tekkbuzz : will libav do it? |
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| 04:04.35 | Rainwave | I wake up and bash is vulnerable yet again. It's tempting to apt-get remove bash but that sounds dangerous - what can I do? I'm too afraid somethnig will break to just apt-get remove bash. |
| 04:04.57 | rryoumaa | everything is patched, no? |
| 04:05.07 | Rainwave | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/still-more-vulnerabilities-in-bash-shellshock-becomes-whack-a-mole/ |
| 04:05.28 | rryoumaa | not surprising :/ |
| 04:06.29 | lesta | Hello, on Debian 7.6 I get errors like this "[ 2141.019485] gconfd-2[18151]: segfault at 83ef..." what means? |
| 04:06.34 | mesa | Speaking of bash. I have two machines - one of them is 64bit AMD running wheezy and it patched fine, however, my 32bit i686 machine did not. Here is the relevant information if someone would please take a look. -> http://pastebin.com/CfT6vqc4 |
| 04:06.49 | somiaj | Rainwave: Debian stable fixes them about as fast as they are found. bash is not a vital shell on your system so you can remove it and use another shell. All core debian scripts use dash. |
| 04:06.50 | Rainwave | I'm just wondering how much would break if I did remove bash. I've removed bash as login shells for everyone, but.. |
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| 04:07.15 | Rainwave | somiaj, alright. I'll try apt-get remove and see if anything breaks. |
| 04:07.17 | mesa | Basically "still vulnerable :(" on the 32bit machine. |
| 04:07.26 | mesa | Thanks in advance. |
| 04:07.43 | rryoumaa | somiaj: file `which dhclient-script ` |
| 04:07.58 | rryoumaa | or is that not necessary? |
| 04:08.07 | tekkbuzz | tempspace: did you do any lvm moves or such? |
| 04:08.14 | tempspace | nope |
| 04:08.34 | somiaj | rryoumaa: I'm not following what you mean. |
| 04:08.49 | Rusty1 | mesa: apt-get update the 32 bit box ? sry if its inconsiderate |
| 04:08.52 | rryoumaa | somiaj: is that script needed? it is bash |
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| 04:10.02 | somiaj | mesa: I want to see the output of 'apt-cache policy bash' on teh machine that is still vuln. |
| 04:10.25 | mesa | somiaj: ok |
| 04:11.07 | tekkbuzz | tempspace: I had a problem like that once but it had to do with lvmextend or something, had to do resize2fs to extend the fs too. |
| 04:11.30 | somiaj | Rainwave: hmm, looks like it is a 'required' package so maybe removing it is bad. I didn't think any thing core used bash and all used dash instead. I guess debian doesn't allow you to remove bash but only have other shells installed to use. |
| 04:11.51 | Rainwave | If you tell it "Yes, do as I say!" it will remove it after much complaining. |
| 04:12.04 | Rainwave | I haven't encountered any issues so far and I'm restarting/checking all my services. |
| 04:13.14 | somiaj | rryoumaa: yea I guess I was mistaken and it is a required package. I know you can install other shells and was thinking with dash that bash would be optional to allow removing it for other shells. Looks like I was wrong. |
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| 04:14.03 | somiaj | Rainwave: well there were two security fixies fairly quickly for bash, but I haven't seen anything else than that. I haven't checked the bugreports, but so far they have been providing security fixes for bash on wheezy. |
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| 04:14.35 | Rainwave | well either Ars Technica got it wrong or there are more/smaller ones popping up |
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| 04:15.09 | jager | i symlinked bash to zsh on day1 and haven't had any issues ..... yet |
| 04:15.21 | mesa | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/KcnhFij6 <- 'apt-cache policy bash' output on the machine that is still vulnerable. |
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| 04:17.14 | jager | course i don't have a lot of custom scripts. ymmw |
| 04:17.21 | jager | s/w/v |
| 04:17.43 | mesa | Rusty1: Yes I ran 'apt-get update' on the 32bit machine before the bash upgrade. |
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| 04:18.26 | somiaj | mesa: you have the correct security version isntalled, sure your script is correctly detecting a security vuln. I can't seem to find anything else on this issue. |
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| 04:20.04 | mesa | somiaj: It puzzled me also. I am using the this on both machines to detect the security vuln. |
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| 04:20.34 | mesa | env X='() { (a)=>\' bash -c "echo echo vuln"; [[ "$(cat echo)" == "vuln" ]] && echo "still vulnerable :(" |
| 04:21.52 | somiaj | mesa: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169 -- well the version you have is said to be fixed. It is strange that it only effects your i386 version. I don't nkow enough to say weither or not there is an error in your script or you are still finding the security hole. You could try to file a bugreport, see what teh matianer says |
| 04:22.19 | Rainwave | mesa: that is the latest vuln, I don't think it's patched yet |
| 04:22.25 | mesa | I only get still vuln on the 32 bit wheezy machine. The 64bit wheezy is fine and three slackware machines come back clean with that line after updates. |
| 04:22.36 | Rainwave | or maybe I'm wrong *shrug* sorry, I dunno. |
| 04:22.41 | mesa | Yes that detects the lates vuln, not shellshock. |
| 04:23.36 | mesa | x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash |
| 04:23.54 | mesa | This ^ tests for the first shell shock vuln. |
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| 04:25.14 | mesa | Wheezy 64bit bash must be patched and 32 not for the second vuln is all I can think of. |
| 04:25.52 | dondelelcaro | mesa: they both must be patched. |
| 04:25.54 | somiaj | well they should have the same version, what is the version of bash on your 64 bit system. I checked my wheezy 32bit chroot and get the same results as you |
| 04:26.12 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that someone screwed something up, though; wouldn't be the first time |
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| 04:26.58 | mesa | dondelelcaro: We're only human. =) |
| 04:27.01 | somiaj | well my 32bit wheezy chroot gets the same result from teh script mesa pasted with the +deb7u3 version that is suposed to be fixed, but I can't say what the issue is. |
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| 04:27.18 | somiaj | my 64bit sid install doesn't get the output, saying it isn't vuln |
| 04:27.26 | mesa | same |
| 04:27.43 | mesa | be back in a few, dinner is calling. |
| 04:27.45 | somiaj | at this time I'd suggest a bugreport. |
| 04:28.02 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: I don't see the behavior here... |
| 04:28.16 | dondelelcaro | have you both forked a new shell? |
| 04:28.31 | dondelelcaro | (after updating?) |
| 04:28.48 | somiaj | oh duh, thanks |
| 04:29.23 | dondelelcaro | mesa: I don't replicate it on i386 with 7u3 here |
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| 04:30.12 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: are you using the same testing script as mesa? I just ran a new shell 'bash' and his script comes up vuln |
| 04:30.23 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: yes, I just copied and pasted it. |
| 04:30.59 | dondelelcaro | oh, he wants the second vulnerability |
| 04:31.26 | dondelelcaro | tested that again, and it still doesn't do anything |
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| 04:32.13 | dondelelcaro | you might have to actually run something like dash bash; to get a new shell... it's possible that bash just forks() for bash. |
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| 04:32.57 | somiaj | yea and I'm chrooting but when I do bash --version it says x86_64 despite being in a 32bit chroot. |
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| 04:35.23 | mesa | hmmm when I run that script as non-root it comes back clean. Run as root it and I get "Still vuln". |
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| 04:35.51 | mesa | On the 32bit wheezy machine in question. |
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| 04:36.41 | dondelelcaro | have you logged back in to test it? |
| 04:36.45 | mesa | yes |
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| 04:38.24 | mesa | dondelelcaro: You tested that script on a 32bit machine? You should get : |
| 04:38.25 | mesa | echo vuln |
| 04:38.25 | mesa | cat: echo: No such file or directory |
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| 04:38.35 | mesa | If all is well that is. |
| 04:39.03 | dondelelcaro | mesa: yes. |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | a 32 bit machine where I'm absolutely sure that i'm not running a vulnerable bash to login to |
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| 04:39.51 | dondelelcaro | (because I use zsh, not bash) |
| 04:39.52 | mesa | You get "Still vuln?" |
| 04:40.14 | dondelelcaro | no, I get the script failing to do anything, as it should if I wasn't vulnerable |
| 04:40.21 | mesa | ah |
| 04:40.27 | mesa | exec bash |
| 04:40.29 | mesa | then try it? |
| 04:40.30 | dondelelcaro | well, failing to do anything besides echo vuln, and failing to cat a non-existant file |
| 04:40.39 | dondelelcaro | mesa: I'm running it under bash |
| 04:40.51 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise, it would have no hope of working at all) |
| 04:40.55 | somiaj | well my 32bit chroot is returing 'still vuln :(' wonder if the chroot has something to do with it. |
| 04:41.02 | dondelelcaro | could |
| 04:41.04 | dondelelcaro | could be |
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| 04:41.17 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: what is the md5sum of /bin/bash? |
| 04:41.29 | dondelelcaro | should be b0d66f2703899e99c62328cff4a2e87d /bin/bash |
| 04:41.30 | somiaj | mesa: is your 32bit system a vps or somethign like that? |
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| 04:42.00 | mesa | somiaj: yes |
| 04:42.08 | mesa | b0d66f2703899e99c62328cff4a2e87d /bin/bash |
| 04:42.49 | somiaj | my md5sum doesn't match. |
| 04:43.02 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: ah; well, then you're not running the right version |
| 04:43.14 | dondelelcaro | mesa: and if you go dash bash; does it still fail? |
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| 04:43.29 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: yea no clue why it doesn't match, I have the bash deb7u3 package isntalled |
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| 04:43.58 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: maybe you have it diverted? or you've installed bash-static? |
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| 04:46.34 | mesa | dondelelcaro: you mean 'dash bash; script' ? |
| 04:46.53 | dondelelcaro | mesa: I mean dash; then bash; then script |
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| 04:47.04 | mesa | never used dash, thanks. |
| 04:47.06 | dondelelcaro | or dash -c bash; |
| 04:47.28 | dondelelcaro | the fact that Debian switched to dash for /bin/sh is one of the main reasons why this particular bug isn't as bad as it could have possibly been |
| 04:48.20 | mesa | dondelelcaro: I get : |
| 04:48.21 | mesa | echo vuln |
| 04:48.21 | mesa | dash: 1: [[: not found |
| 04:48.41 | binaryhermit | actually, I thought dash was vulnerable too |
| 04:48.46 | mesa | dondelelcaro: dash; bash; script |
| 04:49.08 | dondelelcaro | binaryhermit: not to my knowledge |
| 04:49.16 | binaryhermit | I might have fgotten that impression mistakenly, though |
| 04:49.22 | mesa | Phone. give me a few minutes please. Thanks. |
| 04:49.27 | dondelelcaro | binaryhermit: dash doesn't parse env variables for functions, as far as I can tell |
| 04:49.41 | dondelelcaro | (but hey, I didn't even realize that bash did that either) |
| 04:50.24 | somiaj | well figured out why my chroot had a differnt md5sum, it was actually 64bit, but I still get it is vulnerable. I have the security version installed so wonder if it something to do with chroot but woudln't know how to debug |
| 04:51.15 | somiaj | Oh I figured out the issue, mesa did you check if it was vuln before you upgraded teh security fix, and still have the file called 'echo' sitting in your home dir.....that is what was happenign here, mine is secure |
| 04:51.29 | somiaj | or the cwd of the dir you were in |
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| 04:52.07 | dondelelcaro | heh; yeah, that'd do it |
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| 04:52.39 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: do you know of any plan to remove bash from being required package, or is tehre still some system stuff that depends on bash and hasn't convereted to dash? |
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| 04:58.57 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: there's some thought about doing it, but I don't think anyone really wants to put in the time for it |
| 04:59.13 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: so many packages depend on bash anyway, that you'd be hard pressed not to have it installed |
| 04:59.14 | mesa | knocks himself in the head. Well, I had to stir up something tonight. Thanks somiaj and dondelelcaro. |
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| 04:59.27 | dondelelcaro | mesa: no problem! |
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| 05:00.17 | rue_house | what distributions are good for small (or old) pc's? |
| 05:00.26 | mesa | slackware |
| 05:00.36 | mesa | for one |
| 05:00.38 | somiaj | rue_house: debian wheezy has fairly minimial requirements |
| 05:00.49 | rue_house | did slakware ever fix the package problem? |
| 05:00.53 | somiaj | just dn't run gnome/kde or any of the big desktops and you should be fine |
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| 05:01.04 | mesa | rue_house: I never knew of a pkg problem. |
| 05:01.39 | rue_house | they didn't ahve any |
| 05:01.44 | mesa | btw, somiaj and dondelelcaro - I have been, and still am, a slacker from way back and just started using debian on a couple of servers and I like it. =) |
| 05:01.46 | rue_house | that was my problem |
| 05:01.56 | mesa | rue_house: slackware has an abundance of packages. |
| 05:02.03 | rue_house | its for a small server |
| 05:02.11 | rue_house | back in my day you had to compile it all |
| 05:02.12 | mesa | You mean third party packages? |
| 05:02.18 | somiaj | slackware is off topic here, (: |
| 05:02.22 | rue_house | no, just, pakages |
| 05:02.29 | somiaj | mesa: no problem, it was confusing me too until I found the culprit |
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| 05:02.44 | rue_house | somiaj, did debian not come from slakware? |
| 05:03.10 | rue_house | I have 256M of flash... |
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| 05:03.24 | rue_house | I'll start with an 8M swap space... |
| 05:04.28 | somiaj | rue_house: the history I know is both slack and debian seemed to emerge about 1993, the family tree I have seen images of didn't show a connenction. |
| 05:05.49 | dondelelcaro | yeah, they're both independent developments |
| 05:06.22 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: how much ram are we talking about? |
| 05:06.25 | mesa | The top two of the Linux world imho. |
| 05:07.44 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: if it's more than 64M, you'll have no problem. If it's less, you might be able to get away with 32M... much less than that, and you'll have to do some additional work to pre-prune the dependency graph |
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| 05:52.27 | neilthereildeil | hey guys. how can i download the source package of bash 4.2 patch leve 47? |
| 05:52.48 | neilthereildeil | i tried "apt-get source basj=4.2.47" but that didnt work |
| 05:52.54 | neilthereildeil | i tried "apt-get source bash=4.2.47" but that didnt work |
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| 05:54.55 | rgr|android | just upgrade |
| 05:55.09 | thrasymachus | rgr|android: +1 |
| 05:55.35 | neilthereildeil | how? |
| 05:55.53 | rgr|android | if you can't work out how to get source the getting it is probably not a good idea. |
| 05:56.04 | neilthereildeil | lol thats not at all my question |
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| 05:56.11 | neilthereildeil | how can i download the source package of bash 4.2 patch leve 47? |
| 05:56.18 | neilthereildeil | level* |
| 05:56.34 | thrasymachus | sudo aptitude update |
| 05:56.48 | rgr|android | to compile? or to browse? just update to fix your bash. |
| 05:57.02 | neilthereildeil | to browse. i didnt say anything about fixing bash |
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| 05:57.07 | neilthereildeil | i just want that version of the code |
| 05:57.12 | neilthereildeil | please* |
| 05:57.26 | neilthereildeil | whats the correct syntax for apt-get? |
| 05:57.54 | rgr|android | update then usual source fetch which is rtfm or Google material. |
| 05:58.22 | neilthereildeil | yea i rtfm and it said to use '=' after the package name |
| 05:58.25 | neilthereildeil | and put the version |
| 05:58.30 | neilthereildeil | but i dunno the syntacx of the version |
| 05:58.33 | rgr|android | don't know off top of my head.. but a quick Google would tell me :) |
| 05:58.43 | rgr|android | update first |
| 05:59.01 | neilthereildeil | yea i searched google for examples too |
| 05:59.52 | rgr|android | update first.......... https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 06:00.22 | neilthereildeil | yep i just ran "apt-get update" |
| 06:00.33 | neilthereildeil | but im not sure about the version syntax |
| 06:00.37 | rgr|android | and then?.... |
| 06:00.44 | rgr|android | upgrade? |
| 06:01.09 | neilthereildeil | but im not trynna upgrade. just get the code for bash 4.2 patch level 47 |
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| 06:01.39 | rgr|android | upgrade your bash.... then get its source. it's easy... |
| 06:01.53 | neilthereildeil | ugh |
| 06:02.09 | neilthereildeil | 47 is not the most up to date version |
| 06:02.49 | rgr|android | or get it from the Web.... Easy... Since you Seem not happy with Debian version. |
| 06:03.06 | neilthereildeil | yea i dont see that download either :( |
| 06:03.10 | neilthereildeil | ok ill figure it out |
| 06:03.11 | neilthereildeil | thanks |
| 06:03.18 | rgr|android | I doubt it. |
| 06:03.39 | rgr|android | the Debian only holds what it uses... |
| 06:03.43 | neilthereildeil | in the worst case, ill end up in the same position im in right now ;) |
| 06:04.36 | rgr|android | what position? getting the Debian code is trivial. any later code also direct from Web. not sure I understand your issue. |
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| 06:16.54 | nusr | hi i just installed debian. i'm coming from ubuntu and am a new user. is there a software center in debian like the one in ubuntu or do i need to apt-get specific software |
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| 06:33.26 | skaag | how do I patch bash for shellshock on squeeze? |
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| 06:41.14 | skaag | not all at once... |
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| 06:45.12 | babilen | skaag: You add squeeze-lts sources and install the patched package |
| 06:45.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell skaag -about squeeze-lts |
| 06:45.26 | skaag | thanks! |
| 06:45.26 | babilen | (and realise that it is rather early in Europe) |
| 06:45.56 | skaag | I thought there might be enough people in the US who would know, it's not even midnight here in California :-) |
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| 06:46.29 | babilen | skaag: You can find information about the package versions that patch a specific CVE on https://security-tracker.debian.org/ and see a list of all CVEs that apply to bash on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/bash |
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| 06:51.52 | mesa | skaag: I am not an expert here but couldn't you run: |
| 06:51.53 | mesa | apt-get update |
| 06:51.55 | mesa | apt-get install -t squeeze-lts --only-upgrade bash |
| 06:53.18 | babilen | (and consider upgrading that box to wheezy rather sooner than later) |
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| 06:54.11 | mesa | skaag: You would have to add LTS URLs to your sources.list |
| 06:54.28 | mesa | skaag: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 06:55.08 | mesa | skaag: adding these two lines it seems: |
| 06:55.09 | mesa | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
| 06:55.11 | mesa | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
| 06:55.38 | mesa | Then run the two apt-get lines. |
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| 06:57.13 | mesa | babilen: I see you already had gave him those answers. I'm a day late and one cup of coffee late. |
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| 06:57.39 | mesa | gets rid of parts/joins for #debian right quick. |
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| 07:00.01 | babilen | mesa: Yes, I was wondering why you went into so much detail … :D |
| 07:00.18 | babilen | But then, it was all correctl, so there was no need to intervene |
| 07:00.23 | babilen | *correct even |
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| 07:00.40 | shay_shay_ | hello. i'm about to install on a 6 drive raid10 (btrfs), is it possible to drop into a terminal and mount the file systems myself during the install process? |
| 07:01.55 | shay_shay_ | because otherwise i would have to try and add them and re-balance after install, which is excessive |
| 07:02.19 | babilen | shay_shay_: You can access a busybox consol at alt-f2 |
| 07:02.28 | shay_shay_ | yes of course |
| 07:02.40 | shay_shay_ | and is there a specific mount point i need to use? |
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| 07:04.36 | babilen | shay_shay_: The system is installed into /target |
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| 07:05.56 | shay_shay_ | ok thanks. i will make a raid 10, @ and @home subvolumes, mount them in a tree starting at /target with the @ and /target/home with the @home yes |
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| 07:06.05 | shay_shay_ | ? |
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| 07:06.38 | babilen | I wouldn't use btrfs, but that was the general idea I guess |
| 07:06.54 | shay_shay_ | I need to learn to use commas and punctuation, sorry :P |
| 07:07.03 | shay_shay_ | I'm very tired |
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| 07:08.32 | shay_shay_ | babilen: I'm migrating from zfs because I had fbsd on there and I hated it's userspace |
| 07:08.58 | shay_shay_ | i suppose i could try debian kfbsd or ZoL |
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| 07:09.40 | shay_shay_ | what would you recommend ? |
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| 07:10.30 | babilen | ext4 on md, but go and setup the system you want. :) |
| 07:11.09 | shay_shay_ | :D ok |
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| 07:11.47 | blackjack | is cgi installed by default in debian? |
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| 07:23.48 | babilen | blackjack: No, that wouldn't be a sensible thing to install in the base install |
| 07:24.01 | blackjack | is this shellshock phenomena of bash also affects debian as well? Are there any incidents of it being remotely exploited already? Hmmm. Thats also why i asked if cgi is installed by default on the system coz it seems it also uses cgi as a leverageÂ… |
| 07:24.08 | blackjack | ok babilen. noted |
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| 07:24.28 | skaag | thanks guys |
| 07:24.34 | skaag | I will indeed upgrade that system eventually |
| 07:24.41 | arcke | blackjack: yes, debian was vulnerable, and yes there were remote exploitation attempts |
| 07:24.50 | skaag | It's just that some binaries there are compiled for the older libc6 |
| 07:25.20 | skaag | how would a remote exploit work with the bash issue? wouldn't you have to have an account on the system? |
| 07:25.24 | arcke | blackjack: webserver and cgi have to be configured and installed first |
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| 07:27.28 | arcke | blackjack: however, maybe apache was installed during the installation, it depends |
| 07:27.32 | blackjack | irccloud k-lined |
| 07:27.46 | blackjack | i see. arcke. yeah. i have port 80 open. so i think its apache |
| 07:27.50 | blackjack | im just not sure :) |
| 07:27.54 | blackjack | its just a vps |
| 07:27.59 | arcke | also DHCP is vulnerable |
| 07:29.44 | blackjack | hmm so meaning. even routers are susceptible to this arcke? |
| 07:29.51 | cafuego | well |
| 07:30.00 | blackjack | that i havent upgraded yet |
| 07:30.06 | cafuego | Things that run bash with outside input |
| 07:30.07 | arcke | an infected router could infect dhcp clients |
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| 07:30.32 | cafuego | In case of dhcp, a malicious dhcp server could send data to a client that runs malicious code on the client |
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| 07:30.59 | cafuego | Most home routers run busybox, I've not heard of that being vulnerable. |
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| 07:41.27 | dutchfish | cafuego, many dont run bash, rem that dash and ash and fish are not affected |
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| 07:42.31 | dutchfish | cafuego, but you have to check your appliances |
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| 07:45.30 | CarlGel | Running XFCE, I have some strange image corruption when taking screenshots. |
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| 07:47.06 | CarlGel | http://i.imgur.com/mu1vDYd.png |
| 07:47.25 | CarlGel | two different sized monitors, running nvidia drivers. |
| 07:48.07 | CarlGel | I have no idea what the image is, and no idea of how I'd get rid of it in full screen screenshots |
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| 08:02.50 | PaulBel | About shellshock; Can I safely copy /bin/bash from an patched squeeze system to a lenny or older system to secure those? (instead of compiling them on the old systems) |
| 08:03.24 | cafuego | PaulBel: No |
| 08:03.35 | PaulBel | :-( |
| 08:04.22 | cafuego | And yes, debhelper having changed so you can't do a simple backport of the package is very irritating. |
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| 08:06.49 | Trieste | wait, why not? |
| 08:07.00 | Trieste | (apart from screwing up the package management temporarily) |
| 08:07.32 | rgr | where is the spideroak UI on debian? My google foo has failed me... (It is installed) |
| 08:07.54 | cafuego | Trieste: If libc6 differs, it might miss symbols, might mean bash just won't run. At all. |
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| 08:08.19 | Trieste | oh, missed the part about older systems |
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| 08:08.31 | cafuego | So you can, but not safely. |
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| 08:08.46 | cafuego | If you spin up a VM and check if new bash works, you can try without breaking things. |
| 08:09.05 | afidegnum | hello, anyone familiar with varnish and nginx? I am in troublle |
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| 08:09.13 | PaulBel | ok, thx. I will try |
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| 08:09.28 | cafuego | afidegnum: Let me guess, you broke Drupal? |
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| 08:09.56 | afidegnum | cafuego: lol |
| 08:10.07 | afidegnum | I reverted back to d6 |
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| 08:10.16 | afidegnum | but I am facing inconsistent timeout |
| 08:10.24 | afidegnum | I have installed varnish |
| 08:10.35 | afidegnum | but they are not talking to each other |
| 08:10.37 | cafuego | timeout? As in site slow? |
| 08:10.47 | afidegnum | ok, give it a try |
| 08:10.53 | afidegnum | http://www.illuztrate.com |
| 08:11.17 | cafuego | afidegnum: If you want to use varnish, you need to make nginx listen on a port other than 80 or on 127.0.0.1:80 |
| 08:11.53 | cafuego | afidegnum: And make varnish run on port 80 on the external IP, defining the address/port for nginx as backend. |
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| 08:12.50 | afidegnum | hmm, here is where the problem comes from |
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| 08:13.06 | afidegnum | please see the following configs |
| 08:13.07 | afidegnum | http://paste.debian.net/123342/ |
| 08:13.10 | cafuego | afidegnum: There appear to not be DNS records for illuztrate.com |
| 08:13.51 | cafuego | afidegnum: Looks like both ngixn AND varnish are proxying for apache? |
| 08:14.34 | afidegnum | yes |
| 08:15.12 | cafuego | actually, varnish caches for another IP entirely |
| 08:16.10 | afidegnum | I specified another ip since localhost doesn't work |
| 08:16.49 | cafuego | afidegnum: you'd need to use 55.26.84.32:8080 either way, that's where the actual site is, as served by Apache. |
| 08:17.11 | cafuego | Turn off nginx, that's not as-is actually doing anything useful. |
| 08:17.52 | cafuego | the varnish backend host should be the Apache IP |
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| 08:18.25 | cafuego | and make varnlish listen on :80 (change "-a :6081" to "-a :80") |
| 08:18.26 | afidegnum | no, the problem is, the system cpanel I am using is built on nginx |
| 08:18.40 | afidegnum | I can't put it of the whole server will go off |
| 08:18.58 | afidegnum | by priority as i can see, the system runs on nginx, |
| 08:19.06 | afidegnum | next the clients runs on apache2 |
| 08:19.33 | cafuego | So in that case, look up how to make nginx do the caching for you and remove varnish. |
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| 08:21.05 | afidegnum | oh, |
| 08:21.17 | afidegnum | I thought varnish can also do the job? |
| 08:21.20 | cafuego | Keep the number of moving parts small |
| 08:21.28 | cafuego | afidegnum: Yes, but it adds complexity |
| 08:21.30 | afidegnum | ok ok understood :) |
| 08:21.37 | afidegnum | then let me disable varnish them |
| 08:21.46 | afidegnum | how do I work with nginx? |
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| 08:21.59 | lrvick | So I have a headless shell server I want to isntall things like emacs on, without the need for beinging x11-common and the whole tree of X deps pointless, and potentially a security risk, for my headless server |
| 08:22.02 | lrvick | is there a way to avoid this? |
| 08:23.27 | afidegnum | cafuego: for how long will you be around |
| 08:23.33 | afidegnum | I just discover another issue |
| 08:23.36 | cafuego | afidegnum: about 30 seconds |
| 08:23.41 | afidegnum | oh... |
| 08:23.48 | afidegnum | when will you come back again? |
| 08:24.05 | cafuego | afidegnum: http://www.openlogic.com/wazi/bid/188107/Add-a-Nginx-Reverse-Proxy-to-Your-LAMP-Setup |
| 08:24.19 | cafuego | afidegnum: tomorrow, it's time for dinner here |
| 08:24.46 | afidegnum | cafuego: ok, do you know vestacp? |
| 08:24.53 | cafuego | never heard of |
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| 08:26.46 | afidegnum | ok, |
| 08:26.58 | blackjack | can anyone comment to this script i found. Is this also a shellshock exploit script circulating around? |
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| 08:27.01 | afidegnum | I am facing a DNS issue, let me quickly check on it |
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| 08:28.32 | blackjack | i mean this one. --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=166f8Rjx |
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| 08:36.19 | arcke | blackjack: it doesnt look malicious |
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| 08:37.37 | arcke | /dev/tcp is some bash built-in |
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| 08:39.19 | cafuego | Runs a command in bash and tries to send the output to the specified host/port |
| 08:39.33 | arcke | blackjack: well, hmm, it could be, it depends on what its called with |
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| 08:41.12 | cafuego | afidegnum: No, actually, makes the spawned bash shell read data from the specified host/port |
| 08:41.17 | cafuego | ie; remote shell exploit |
| 08:41.23 | cafuego | arcke: even |
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| 08:41.43 | cafuego | and blackjack ^ |
| 08:42.01 | afidegnum | cafuego: I don't get you |
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| 08:42.32 | cafuego | afidegnum: was for someone else |
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| 08:43.04 | afidegnum | ah, ok |
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| 08:49.17 | blackjack | ok |
| 08:49.30 | blackjack | just wanted to share it here so that the community is aware :) |
| 08:51.47 | afidegnum | cafuego: please, where in my server, do I save a zone file? |
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| 09:13.10 | mesa | afidegnum: NOTE: Version 8.2.1 of bind and higher have a different layout. All bind related configuration files are now in /etc/bind. These include the zone files. |
| 09:13.16 | mesa | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 09:13.25 | mesa | https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
| 09:13.38 | mesa | Night. =) |
| 09:13.47 | afidegnum | how do I create an A record to my NS server? |
| 09:15.43 | mesa | afidegnum: The question is do you need to run bind or is your domain name registrar running bind for you? Then go from there. |
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| 09:16.10 | afidegnum | thanks mesa |
| 09:16.29 | afidegnum | what's happening now is, I have set up a vanity name server, in my godaddy account |
| 09:16.44 | afidegnum | and set up hostname pointing to my webserver |
| 09:16.50 | afidegnum | as well as reverse dns server |
| 09:17.09 | afidegnum | i then have an error http://www.dnsinspect.com/illuztrate.com/1411806018 |
| 09:17.45 | mesa | Your welcome. I have to get some sleep. Your task seems fairly simple especially if you are familar with bind/dns in general. |
| 09:18.19 | afidegnum | strange enough, when I went back to godaddy to check my A record, "The zone file is unavailable because the domain's set nameservers do not belong to this registrar." |
| 09:18.22 | afidegnum | was the message |
| 09:18.42 | afidegnum | I am not familiar with bind, can you please borrow me 2 mins |
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| 09:19.07 | afidegnum | at least setting an ns record for a name server |
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| 09:19.43 | cuqa_ | why do you want a nameserver in the first place |
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| 09:20.09 | cuqa_ | you seem like a linux newbie if you do not even know where to find the logs for bind |
| 09:20.11 | eyeQ | hi, on one of my vps i get /bin/bash not found when i login with ssh, but if i use a vnc console via control panel at my vps page, i can type /bin/bash without problem.. ideas how to fix? |
| 09:20.34 | cuqa_ | probably running a dns server is not the thing what is preferable for you |
| 09:21.26 | cuqa_ | you are logged in with the same user eyeQ ? |
| 09:21.27 | efe | I had wiped out accidentally all data in the hdd 3 days ago. I'd like to thank to helpful people here who recommended me the photorec. It did a great job. |
| 09:21.35 | eyeQ | cuqa: uh no? |
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| 09:22.20 | cuqa_ | "uh no?" wtf? |
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| 09:22.41 | eyeQ | cuqa: what does my irc nick name have to do with my remove vps login? |
| 09:23.08 | cuqa_ | I asked if you login with the same user to your linux machine obviously |
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| 09:23.22 | cuqa_ | with ssh .. and terminal |
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| 09:24.04 | eyeQ | no. using root to login into the vps |
| 09:24.10 | eyeQ | or rather trying |
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| 09:24.32 | afidegnum | I am setting up a mail server |
| 09:24.46 | afidegnum | i was requested to have a nameserver |
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| 09:24.58 | afidegnum | I mean a return reverse DNS |
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| 09:25.14 | cuqa_ | do you have your own IP range? |
| 09:25.28 | afidegnum | for the mean time, I have 1 IP |
| 09:26.15 | cuqa_ | you have to tell your hosting provider to set the reverse dns record for you |
| 09:26.21 | cuqa_ | or maybe they give you the possibility |
| 09:26.29 | afidegnum | I already set the dns record |
| 09:26.43 | afidegnum | the reverse dns |
| 09:26.58 | cuqa_ | leon@leon-ThinkPad-T410:~$ dig -x 78.46.85.230 +short |
| 09:26.59 | cuqa_ | mail.illuztrate.com. |
| 09:27.13 | cuqa_ | looks good to me. |
| 09:27.40 | afidegnum | but here is my DNS report |
| 09:27.41 | afidegnum | http://www.dnsinspect.com/illuztrate.com/1411806018 |
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| 09:28.49 | cuqa_ | why dont you use the nameserver from where you rent your domain? |
| 09:29.00 | dutchfish | afidegnum, does your A record of your domain.tld resolves to the same IP as your PTR of the same ip of your MX record? |
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| 09:29.22 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 09:29.46 | afidegnum | yes, the same IP address |
| 09:29.48 | cousin_luigi | Recently I've been seeing this error http://sprunge.us/gHUV during an apt-get update. |
| 09:29.53 | cousin_luigi | How can I find out what's causing it? |
| 09:30.01 | eyeQ | cuqa: the strange thing is, since my last login on the ssh it was all fine.. now nothing has changed to my knowledge and cant login on the ssh-way because /bin/bash is missing (but are there when checked thru a vnc connection to the vps) |
| 09:30.10 | dutchfish | afidegnum, and you have the correct MX records aplied? |
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| 09:30.42 | afidegnum | dutchfish: that's where i am not much confident, I have set up the MX record in my godaddy account |
| 09:30.43 | dutchfish | afidegnum, mx records are names not ip's .....you know? |
| 09:30.48 | afidegnum | as mail.illuztrate.com |
| 09:31.00 | afidegnum | yes |
| 09:31.03 | dutchfish | yes |
| 09:31.31 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: I can't see any MX record set for that domain |
| 09:31.54 | cuqa_ | eyeQ, you said you do not login with the same user? With what user do you login with ssh? |
| 09:31.59 | dutchfish | afidegnum, use dig -t MX yourdomain.tld and find out if those names have an A rcord for that ip and have the correct PTR record, thats basically it |
| 09:32.28 | eyeQ | cuqa: root |
| 09:32.34 | dutchfish | afidegnum, be aware that propagation takes time |
| 09:32.46 | cuqa_ | eyeQ, check with terminal if /bin/bash exists |
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| 09:33.01 | eyeQ | cuqa: i jsut said it does. |
| 09:33.10 | mesa | afidegnum: http://support.dnsimple.com/articles/differences-between-a-cname-alias-url/ |
| 09:33.11 | cousin_luigi | dutchfish: it certainly wasn't cached in my resolver and I can't see it |
| 09:33.19 | mesa | afidegnum: http://help.dnsmadeeasy.com/spry_menu/ptr-record/ |
| 09:33.32 | dutchfish | afidegnum, you can check the master with dig @masterdns blah |
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| 09:34.27 | cuqa_ | dig +short illuztrate.com MX @ns1.illuztrate.com returns nothing |
| 09:34.30 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: and I can't even see a NS |
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| 09:34.38 | afidegnum | hmm |
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| 09:34.42 | afidegnum | strange |
| 09:34.52 | cousin_luigi | did you register this domain recently? |
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| 09:35.14 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: wait, have you set glue records? |
| 09:35.38 | cousin_luigi | because ns1.illuztrate.com will never resolve otherwise |
| 09:35.53 | afidegnum | I am using the domain for 8 months now |
| 09:35.54 | dutchfish | cousin_luigi, right |
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| 09:36.10 | cuqa_ | eyeQ, not sure what the problem should be. never seen that. |
| 09:36.12 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: what have you changed recently? |
| 09:36.28 | cuqa_ | he tries to set up the NS just now |
| 09:36.33 | afidegnum | the vanity nameservers and hostnames |
| 09:36.41 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: that's the problem |
| 09:36.42 | afidegnum | that' was 10 days ago |
| 09:36.51 | eyeQ | cuqa: same. when i use my vps host vnc login i can execute /bin/bash.. but using the ssh way, its missing, chroot is not setup so that could not be it.. really wierd. |
| 09:36.55 | afidegnum | should I revert that? |
| 09:37.01 | cousin_luigi | look in your control panel for the glue records settings |
| 09:37.25 | dutchfish | afidegnum, have you checked the whois of your domain? what is in it in regards to dns servers? |
| 09:37.28 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: otherwise your authoritative nameservers won't be reachable |
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| 09:39.36 | shay_shay_ | ahahaha read it and weep : http://paste.kde.org/phqzxd0sq |
| 09:39.42 | dutchfish | cousin_luigi, right, no A record for ns1 |
| 09:40.06 | cousin_luigi | dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.illuztrate.com': no more <- this is the bottom line of "dig +trace -t ns illuztrate.com" |
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| 09:40.41 | cousin_luigi | dutchfish: the A record is probably set, but using the same domain it's a circular reference |
| 09:40.59 | dutchfish | cousin_luigi, ah, yes |
| 09:41.07 | shay_shay_ | yis |
| 09:41.30 | afidegnum | ok, here is my records detauls |
| 09:41.32 | afidegnum | http://imgur.com/VXxBmLu |
| 09:41.52 | afidegnum | it seems my server tool hold of the zonerecord created at godaddy |
| 09:43.39 | afidegnum | so what do i need to do? |
| 09:43.47 | afidegnum | can you please assist? |
| 09:43.52 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: I think you need to look where you set the nameserver for each domain |
| 09:44.11 | afidegnum | that's the image url I posted |
| 09:44.15 | afidegnum | so you can inspect |
| 09:44.23 | afidegnum | http://imgur.com/VXxBmLu |
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| 09:44.39 | afidegnum | http://i.imgur.com/VXxBmLu.png |
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| 09:46.49 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: that's where you set the records in your nameserver |
| 09:47.20 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: https://www.zerigo.com/docs/managed-dns/glue_records_at_godaddy if godaddy is your registrar this should apply |
| 09:47.23 | reptar | hi all, I hjave a problem on my debian 7 since i updated it yesterday, is it impossible to start mysqld |
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| 09:47.43 | afidegnum | when I added the domain to my server, this is where the infos were uploaded to I believe |
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| 09:53.59 | eyeQ | cuqa: i see alot of ssh login attempts (fail2ban locked them out) wounder if that could have anything to do with my current problems |
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| 09:57.15 | reptar | Does someone can help me for my mysql problem ? :x |
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| 10:06.43 | ivicv | Hi all |
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| 10:12.54 | afidegnum | cousin_luigi: do you speak french? |
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| 10:14.59 | afidegnum | cousin_luigi: when I checked my godady config, it seems everything were set up, unless I haven't done it well, can you please check for me? |
| 10:15.03 | afidegnum | here is hte link http://imgur.com/a/aqN5P#0 |
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| 10:17.37 | ivancv | spanish and english, sorry |
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| 10:18.20 | ivancv | may i help you with the config? i have been working 2 years in a hosting provider hahah |
| 10:18.53 | afidegnum | ah, thanks, |
| 10:19.03 | afidegnum | I am having issue with my server |
| 10:19.17 | afidegnum | http://www.illuztrate.com |
| 10:19.26 | afidegnum | seems not loading |
| 10:19.44 | nkuttler | afidegnum: well, is your httpd up? |
| 10:19.58 | ivancv | thats because your dns server isn't working |
| 10:20.09 | nkuttler | right.. |
| 10:20.23 | nkuttler | NS1.ILLUZTRATE.COM.. |
| 10:20.27 | ivancv | http://imgur.com/jXIAfZw |
| 10:20.43 | nkuttler | afidegnum: you probably don't want to run your own nameserver, if that's what you were trying.. |
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| 10:21.38 | afidegnum_ | server reset |
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| 10:21.48 | afidegnum_ | I didn't get your recent message |
| 10:22.23 | afidegnum_ | nkuttler: httpd is up |
| 10:22.25 | afidegnum_ | as well as other major services |
| 10:22.45 | ivancv | afidegnum, you have to check the DNS server |
| 10:22.53 | ivancv | because that's the problem |
| 10:23.18 | nkuttler | doesn't help that the nameservers don't resolve either.. |
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| 10:24.37 | afidegnum_ | please can you check the configurations at godaddy? |
| 10:24.41 | afidegnum_ | here is the link http://imgur.com/a/aqN5P#0 |
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| 10:25.57 | ivancv | that's ok, but did you registered the dns server and also started dns service in your server? |
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| 10:26.50 | afidegnum | hmm... I think everything were set from the hosting provider |
| 10:27.00 | afidegnum | I am using a dedicated server from hetzner |
| 10:27.09 | afidegnum | I have even set a reverse dns server |
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| 10:27.58 | ivancv | But did you registered DNS server in godaddy? In addition to asigning that dns server, you must set up your subdomains to be valid dns servers |
| 10:28.11 | ivancv | to create that subdomains and point to the server ip address |
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| 10:28.49 | afidegnum | yes, I registered the domain name at godaddy |
| 10:29.05 | ivancv | not the domain name |
| 10:29.05 | afidegnum | I created an A alias for that |
| 10:29.11 | ivancv | you must set up as DNS server |
| 10:29.12 | afidegnum | ? |
| 10:29.16 | afidegnum | how? |
| 10:29.41 | ivancv | http://www.hostdime.com/blog/create-custom-nameservers-godaddy/ |
| 10:30.40 | afidegnum | here is my hosting panel dns settings http://i.imgur.com/zl8iXdP.png |
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| 10:31.33 | ivancv | you must also setup ns1.illuztrate.com A 78.46.85.230 |
| 10:31.36 | ivancv | and ns2 the same |
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| 10:33.47 | afidegnum | godaddy or my hostpanel? |
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| 10:34.13 | osfd_home | is there a way to know what kind of access has been done on a particular folder, like read, write...? |
| 10:34.25 | ivancv | in your host pannel |
| 10:34.31 | ivancv | and also please do what i said |
| 10:34.35 | ivancv | https://support.godaddy.com/help/article/664/setting-nameservers-for-your-domain-names#registering |
| 10:34.41 | ivancv | do the last configuration please |
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| 10:34.52 | afidegnum | should it be a new record? |
| 10:35.00 | DMJC | anyone here got experience with Intel RAID controllers? |
| 10:35.05 | cousin_luigi | afidegnum: No, I don't speak any French. In regard to DNS setup on Godaddy I found that page on google, so I don't really know much more about its internal workings. |
| 10:35.10 | DMJC | I'm having an issue with a Hardware RAID 6 array |
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| 10:37.31 | reptar | I all i have a problem on my debian7, mysqld don't wan't to start after update ;( |
| 10:39.47 | ivancv | I'm sorry DMJC, i haven't got any experience with intel raid |
| 10:39.58 | ivancv | but you can try to share the system log with us |
| 10:40.03 | cousin_luigi | reptar: what error does it give? |
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| 10:41.18 | DMJC | Intel RAID is rebadged LSI |
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| 10:42.13 | afidegnum | ivancv: I am confused at this part http://i.imgur.com/ZxqQG8y.png |
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| 10:42.29 | valdyn | DMJC: how is it a debian issue? |
| 10:42.30 | ivancv | record ns1 |
| 10:42.34 | ivancv | ip, your server ip |
| 10:42.37 | ivancv | and priority nothing |
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| 10:49.12 | afidegnum | ivancv: I have set it up, thanks a lot it's working |
| 10:49.30 | ivancv | you are welcome! |
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| 10:51.10 | cousin_luigi | rejoice!:) |
| 10:51.22 | DMJC | valdyn: it's not, it's more there's no Intel RAID irc channel |
| 10:51.50 | afidegnum | Kevin`: cousin_luigi thanks a lot |
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| 11:15.45 | GeneralStupid | Hi, i need some help. I upgraded from stable to testing and now my dbus-daemon restarts (zombie -> restart) if i try to start vlc Player |
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| 11:16.10 | GeneralStupid | Every application which interacts with dbus is also slow (keepassx for example) |
| 11:16.12 | iveevue | Why are you using testing? |
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| 11:17.53 | GeneralStupid | there were some issues in stable and i often used testing on my laptops before and i have never looked back. |
| 11:18.29 | iveevue | Well, the reason people dont use testing is because it isnt very stable |
| 11:18.36 | iveevue | You shouldnt be surprised that its broken |
| 11:19.34 | GeneralStupid | ok, i have no problem to write a bug request or fix something by myself. But i have no idea how to fix this dbus error. |
| 11:20.22 | GeneralStupid | i will be suprised if iam the first one who finds this bug |
| 11:21.56 | GeneralStupid | so, is there a possibility to get a new clean dbus configuration? |
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| 11:25.16 | GeneralStupid | default config is checked, didnt help |
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| 11:30.09 | iveevue | !debian-next |
| 11:30.09 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 11:30.41 | GeneralStupid | ohhh another network :-D Comeon :( |
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| 11:35.06 | efe | hi all. While trying to install Google Earth on Debian, some packages have been removed. And after all, the installation wasn't succesful. So is there a way to undo the installation and take back the installed packages ? |
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| 11:35.16 | efe | here are removed packages : |
| 11:35.19 | efe | Remove: linux-headers-amd64:amd64 (3.2+46), exim4-daemon-light:amd64 (4.80-7), linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64:amd64 (3.2.60-1+deb7u3), linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64:amd64 (3.2.60-1+deb7u3), gcc-4.6:amd64 (4.6.3-14), |
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| 11:36.29 | efe | no idea? |
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| 11:36.54 | TheFlyingCorpse_ | any ideas why mirrors lagging behind on packages? |
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| 11:48.19 | sandman13 | what is the keyword for linux kernel for judd |
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| 11:50.35 | jelly-home | sandman13: /msg judd kernels |
| 11:50.48 | jelly-home | if you mean the packaged ones |
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| 11:51.22 | sandman13 | jelly-home: yes packaged ones, thanks ;) |
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| 11:55.56 | moldy | hi |
| 11:56.37 | moldy | is debian 6.0 still supported? |
| 11:57.15 | Devastator | moldy maybe you should check this: /msg dpkg squeeze-lts |
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| 11:57.58 | afidegnum | hello, how do scan and detect available listening ports in varnish? |
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| 12:01.22 | moldy | Devastator: ahh, thanks |
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| 12:15.21 | destra | hello, i have a problem to load wheezy it says no device found <UUID> and go to shell but after that it freeze and i can't type in shell |
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| 12:16.15 | destra | i tried to reinstall grub from ubuntu live cd (in chroot) |
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| 12:25.42 | destra | is there automatic tool to detect OS and install grub correctly? |
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| 12:26.13 | destra | or maybe problem in initrd? |
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| 12:26.48 | destra | i saw with lsinitramfs that it loads udev and stuff :) |
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| 12:29.05 | grzeslaw | Hi guys, I just installed chrooted bind using official debian howto https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 .. without chroot, bind was working fine.. unforutnatley when I put it into chroot it wont start ;/ logs said: "open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied" .. I do not have installed/enabled selinux and apparmor on the servers.. File permissions are coorect: "-rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 1220 Sep 26 00:40 /var/chroot/bind9/etc/bind/named.conf", directory too: " |
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| 12:42.19 | grzeslaw | ok found the solution.. chroot directory tree was readable for root and bind only.. I need to set permissions 755 to all of them |
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| 12:56.11 | hub2 | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop, but I can't get through network installation. I get 'failure of key exchange ' when trying to connect to my wifi network (It is secured with WPA2). |
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| 12:59.24 | eristisk | I upgraded VLC to the 2.2.0-pre2 in sid but am experiencing bad regressions in playing back some video files... is there a place I can find the 2.1.5-1 package? |
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| 12:59.50 | hub2 | My wifi card is : Atheros AR9485 |
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| 13:01.21 | eristisk | hub2: If you can see the Wifi network inside the setup, then the drivers are working fine, and the chipset is not necessary information for troubleshooting. It sounds like a problem with authentication. |
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| 13:04.53 | hub2 | eristisk: Ok, i'll try without password on wifi |
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| 13:05.56 | eristisk | hub2: If you can make your WLAN open, do so. It will be one less barrier to installation. |
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| 13:12.39 | A|an | Does the bash Shellshock thing involve Debian? |
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| 13:13.57 | oskie | shellshock? it that the new exploitable bug? |
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| 13:14.20 | jelly-home | A|an: read the topic. |
| 13:14.26 | dvs_ | A|an: Debian was affected but now it's fixed. |
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| 13:20.54 | grobda24 | What is the Debian way of preventing DHCP from updating my OpenDNS server addresses in /etc/resolve.conf ? |
| 13:21.18 | valdyn | grobda24: depends on which dhcp client you are using |
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| 13:22.04 | valdyn | grobda24: or you can just set that file immutable, thats ok too and works for all of them |
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| 13:23.00 | grobda24 | valdyn, its. "isc" ... with "chattr" ? |
| 13:23.12 | valdyn | grobda24: yes |
| 13:23.24 | grobda24 | valdyn, ok, great, thanks :) |
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| 13:23.40 | valdyn | grobda24: see if that is really a file or just a symlink |
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| 13:24.57 | reptar | Does someone can help me with a mysql proble m ? :x |
| 13:25.08 | valdyn | !tell reptar -about ask |
| 13:25.37 | reptar | I'm using debian 7 and just after update && upgrade, mysql won't launch |
| 13:25.45 | reptar | i triied to delete --purger and reinstall |
| 13:25.51 | reptar | but it won't start again |
| 13:25.59 | reptar | and logs are empty |
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| 13:26.45 | sunzofman1 | greetz |
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| 13:28.07 | sunzofman1 | looking for bash security patches for both lenny and squeeze |
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| 13:28.39 | dvs_ | sunzofman1: you wont find one for lenny |
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| 13:28.51 | r-x-w- | sunzofman1: (){:;}; rm -rf /bin/bash |
| 13:28.51 | qman__ | sunzofman1: won't find one for lenny, for squeeze check this out: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 13:29.06 | valdyn | sunzofman1: /msg dpkg dsa3032 |
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| 13:30.26 | sunzofman1 | r-x-w: grinz |
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| 13:31.35 | qman__ | honestly, if you're still running lenny, shellshock is the least of your concerns |
| 13:31.53 | sunzofman1 | qman__: thx |
| 13:32.46 | reptar | so noàbody to help me with my db ? -_- |
| 13:33.13 | sunzofman1 | qman__: the lenny install is actually not bare metal and i don't own it. just being proactive |
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| 13:34.26 | qman__ | sunzofman1: my point is, shellshock isn't that big a deal for most people because you usually don't let anonymous users run bash; there's been tons of other vulnerabilities with no fix for lenny, because lenny is so old |
| 13:34.31 | qman__ | notably, openssl vulnerabilities |
| 13:34.48 | valdyn | geez |
| 13:35.15 | valdyn | shellshock is not an issue at all when then user can directly run bash already |
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| 13:35.41 | valdyn | (anonymous or not) |
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| 13:36.56 | qman__ | basically it only affects you if you run a shell server that other people use or were insane enough to write a CGI web application in bash |
| 13:37.21 | valdyn | qman__: this is nonsense, please stop |
| 13:38.36 | rudi_s | Well, it affects any use of bash which allow an attacker to inject parts of the environment. |
| 13:39.45 | valdyn | if i can run bash, then i can already run arbitrary code without shellshock, thats not a bug |
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| 13:40.25 | valdyn | but if im only a dhcp client and can run arbitrary commands, then thats a bug, and its what shellshock can facilitate |
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| 13:44.47 | PaulBel | qman__ you waaaayyyy under-estimate shelshock's impact |
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| 13:48.15 | reptar | I'm using debian 7 and just after update && upgrade, mysql won't launch |
| 13:48.24 | reptar | if someone have an idae |
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| 13:49.21 | PaulBel | reptar: No pointers in log files? |
| 13:49.26 | reptar | nothing |
| 13:49.29 | reptar | log files are empty :/ |
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| 13:49.40 | PaulBel | syslog? |
| 13:49.46 | reptar | and when i try tu redo an update / upgrade it tells me that mysql-server-5.5 isn't configured ... |
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| 13:50.59 | reptar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.59 | reptar | Errcode: 13) |
| 13:51.03 | reptar | just some things like that |
| 13:51.13 | reptar | nthing really explicit |
| 13:51.38 | PaulBel | Did you try to reboot? |
| 13:51.59 | reptar | yeay |
| 13:52.06 | reptar | reboot, remove --purge, reinstall |
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| 13:53.16 | valdyn | reptar: what is not explicit about that error? why cant it write there? |
| 13:53.30 | reptar | i don't know why |
| 13:53.37 | reptar | but if mysql user hasn't right on /tmp |
| 13:53.41 | reptar | it could atleast start ... |
| 13:53.45 | valdyn | reptar: ls -ld /tmp |
| 13:54.10 | reptar | drwxrwxr-x 9 root root 4096 sept. 27 15:54 /tmp/ |
| 13:54.24 | valdyn | reptar: so who fucked up your /tmp permissions? |
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| 13:54.37 | reptar | never touched it |
| 13:54.41 | reptar | it happens just after update |
| 13:54.49 | valdyn | reptar: certainly not |
| 13:54.53 | reptar | which perms do i need ot set ? |
| 13:54.58 | valdyn | reptar: your /tmp might have been broken for a while |
| 13:54.59 | reptar | valdyn, certainly yes |
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| 13:55.26 | valdyn | drwxrwxrwt 1 root root 1054 Sep 27 15:50 /tmp/ |
| 13:55.28 | reptar | so which rights should i do set ? |
| 13:55.39 | reptar | hmm ok a friend of meedited it i think |
| 13:55.42 | reptar | to try to restore it |
| 13:55.45 | reptar | ... |
| 13:55.49 | reptar | which rights need i to set ? |
| 13:55.56 | valdyn | reptar: i showed you |
| 13:57.05 | reptar | 777 |
| 13:57.42 | valdyn | !tmp |
| 13:57.42 | dpkg | /tmp is a filesystem location, required by the <FHS> to be made available for programs requiring temporary files. Make sure its modes are 1777, otherwise you'll have problems down the track. Are you running out of space on /tmp? Use the TMPDIR environment variable (e.g. in ~/.bashrc) to specify an alternate directory with available disk space. See also <tmp noexec>. |
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| 14:11.51 | sweb | sed 's/mantaghe-ZTViYj_s/mantaghe-NjljNm/g' oldSql.sql > newSql.sql |
| 14:11.59 | sweb | dost not replace all characters whe ? |
| 14:12.03 | sweb | why*? |
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| 14:18.00 | johndoe | does anyone know why my ip address changes after hibernation and how can i fix this? |
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| 14:18.22 | loin | hell |
| 14:18.23 | loin | o |
| 14:18.33 | loin | i'm looking for a distro that doesn't suck, can i get some help here? |
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| 14:18.53 | loin | everything i try crashes and just doesn't work |
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| 14:20.52 | rgr | Because you're not cut out for Linux. Try VMS... |
| 14:21.30 | rgr | Since "everything you try" crashes there is clearly no hope. The rest of us must have got lucky. |
| 14:21.30 | loin | rgr, i've been using 'linux' for like 7 years |
| 14:21.34 | rgr | sure. |
| 14:21.56 | heurist | loin: is everything crashes then you have hardware problems |
| 14:22.02 | rgr | So you'd know that "everything I try crashes" is about as likely to get help here as pissing in a font is to get you sainted. |
| 14:22.37 | rgr | <countdown to answer "it doesnt crash under windows"> |
| 14:22.42 | AlexWH88 | lel ;D |
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| 14:23.39 | loin | heurist, maybe i do have hardware issues |
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| 14:24.04 | rgr | which you would know after using linux for 7 years.... |
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| 14:24.15 | moldy | loin: the first step would be to give useful information. "everything crashes" is useless. |
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| 14:25.12 | Abu-Ahmad22 | http://itunesboss.com/?ref=eArdDOsVb |
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| 14:26.30 | rgr | he knows that. Having used Linux for 7 years of course..... lol... "looking for a distro that doesnt suck" ;) |
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| 14:27.08 | iveevue | What's the best method for installing a more up-to-date clang on Wheezy? 3.0 is ancient |
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| 14:27.37 | johndoe | iveevue: backports |
| 14:28.27 | loin | moldy, well, i usually use openbox but none of the major distributions use openbox nowadays so i have to configure my own, the permission systems changed a whole lot in the past years so i can't just exec dbus-launch ck-launch-session openbox-session anymore, i need a whole lot of other things initialized with the wm/de and none of this information seems to be available, then i plug in my second monitor, i run arandr to create a layout, but i can't because the pac |
| 14:28.28 | loin | kages are incompatible, python is too new for it, i modify the library that arandr uses to allow a newer version of python, since it's just a if version != this then throw error, but then when i apply changes the wm crashes and it sends me to the login screen, can't find logs, i try something else, i manage to get openbox running, but the fonts sizes are not uniform, in some places i get a dpi, in another place, i get something else, modifying the global settings |
| 14:28.32 | loin | doesn't help, i try another distro, i want to compile some things i get "internal compiler error" |
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| 14:28.53 | loin | i download semplice, i dist-upgrade, i get broken packages everywhere |
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| 14:29.45 | moldy | loin: your problem seems to be that you think the rest of the world has nothing else to do but to cater to your rather specific usecases. |
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| 14:30.30 | moldy | also "i want to compile some things i get "internal compiler error" is again useless information. which things, what is the real complete error output? |
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| 14:31.01 | moldy | also, openbox is included in debian, so i don't know why you have to configure your own |
| 14:31.12 | heurist | loin: sounds like you might be interested in gentoo, but that is hard. |
| 14:31.18 | iveevue | :/ clang/llvm are not in backports |
| 14:31.36 | moldy | and you didn't tell us. it seems that you are not looking for help, but just want to use us to let off some steam. |
| 14:31.39 | loin | moldy, it's included in it, but i get the environment running |
| 14:31.42 | loin | all the permissions are missing |
| 14:31.50 | loin | so everything that requires privileges throws an exception |
| 14:31.55 | moldy | loin: again, useless information. |
| 14:32.00 | iveevue | johndoe, what other methods are there? clang/llvm are not in backports |
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| 14:32.18 | moldy | loin: be *specific*. give us actual output from your computer, not vague descriptions. |
| 14:32.24 | johndoe | iveevue: install the jessie package |
| 14:32.36 | moldy | loin: even better, file a bug report. |
| 14:32.43 | iveevue | Do I have to convert whole system to jessie? |
| 14:33.56 | iveevue | johndoe, How would this interfere with the system? http://llvm.org/apt/ |
| 14:34.16 | heurist | iveevue: run clang/llvm in a jessie chroot/container. |
| 14:34.25 | iveevue | heurist, Check link above |
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| 14:35.09 | heurist | !tell iveevue -about frankendebian |
| 14:35.26 | heurist | iveevue: that may work but will not be supported here. |
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| 14:35.36 | iveevue | hmm |
| 14:36.36 | johndoe | iveevue: id install from that link you just pasted |
| 14:37.04 | iveevue | If I later remove the links from sources, can I reinstall the debian's original packages and be back to normal? |
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| 14:38.13 | heurist | iveevue: you would have to try. that sounds like a support question which is hard to answer by people who have not done it. (but probably). |
| 14:38.31 | iveevue | Ah |
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| 14:38.46 | moldy | your best bet is probably a vm, chroot or such |
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| 14:39.29 | iveevue | I'm developing on a debian VM, so this won't mess with my base install |
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| 14:39.49 | moldy | then just use a jessie vm? |
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| 14:40.34 | heurist | iveevue: maybe sid rather than jessie. jessie is still vulnerable to CVE-2014-7169 |
| 14:41.06 | moldy | shouldn't be that much of a problem on a typical development vm |
| 14:41.35 | heurist | moldy: but it does, once again, show why I do not use jessie. (: |
| 14:41.56 | huh | is squeeze vulnerable still? |
| 14:42.11 | heurist | huh: lts is fixed |
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| 14:42.18 | babilen | It's been fixed in squeeze-lts which you have to enable explicitly |
| 14:42.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell huh -about squeeze-lts |
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| 14:42.58 | blackjack | env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' sh -c "echo this is a test" |
| 14:43.00 | moldy | are you sure jessie is still vulnerable? |
| 14:43.11 | blackjack | if it does not echo. your good |
| 14:43.17 | moldy | my jessie machine here seems to be fixed |
| 14:43.28 | heurist | moldy: no, I am just going according to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169 |
| 14:43.31 | huh | blackjack: that only tests for the first vulnerability |
| 14:43.47 | huh | not 7169... |
| 14:44.17 | huh | thanks |
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| 14:44.19 | moldy | is there a test for 7169? |
| 14:44.33 | blackjack | huh: your technically your saying, everyone is vulnerable to 7169 right now? |
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| 14:44.43 | babilen | moldy: On jessie you'd be well advised to pull the package from sid |
| 14:44.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell moldy -about jsm |
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| 14:45.20 | huh | a='() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271 FAIL' b='() { (b)=>\' bash -c '/dev/stdout echo CVE-2014-7169 FAIL||echo CVE-2014-7169 OK;a||echo CVE-2014-6271 OK' 2>/dev/null |
| 14:45.24 | moldy | babilen: i can wait a few more days, there are no realistic attack vectors to my non-stable machines |
| 14:45.27 | moldy | babilen: but thanks |
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| 14:46.03 | babilen | moldy: There really is no point in *not* doing that. It is IMHO irresponsible to track jessie without sid in your sources.list at this point in the release cycle |
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| 14:46.32 | heurist | !testing security |
| 14:46.32 | dpkg | Jessie is unlikely to receive full security support for some time -- don't run Jessie on things where good security support and stability are important. |
| 14:46.51 | hyper_ch | for some reason I can get the second update for shellshock |
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| 14:47.05 | babilen | hyper_ch: How is that a problem? |
| 14:47.16 | moldy | babilen: i don't really care for the security of my jessie machines. my security concept is "there are no attacks". |
| 14:47.17 | hyper_ch | babilen: because there's a vulnerability |
| 14:47.34 | babilen | hyper_ch: As you can get the second update I'd recommend to install it. |
| 14:47.45 | blackjack | Debian/unstable: not vulnerable. <-- cool |
| 14:47.51 | hyper_ch | babilen: nothing in apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 14:48.09 | hyper_ch | babilen: however, according to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169 there should be a released packag |
| 14:48.18 | babilen | hyper_ch: So you you meant to say that you "can not" get the second update? |
| 14:48.23 | heurist | hyper_ch: dpkg -l | grep bash says what version? |
| 14:48.37 | babilen | hyper_ch: What does "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy bash" give you? |
| 14:48.40 | moldy | i'd be interested in a test for -7169 though to check my stable machines myself |
| 14:48.49 | huh | moldy: a='() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271 FAIL' b='() { (b)=>\' bash -c '/dev/stdout echo CVE-2014-7169 FAIL||echo CVE-2014-7169 OK;a||echo CVE-2014-6271 OK' 2>/dev/null |
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| 14:48.51 | hyper_ch | heurist: strange, that returns the right version |
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| 14:48.59 | moldy | huh: thanks |
| 14:49.00 | hyper_ch | heurist: however apt-cache info bash doesn't |
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| 14:49.32 | hyper_ch | heurist: babilen: thx for the help |
| 14:49.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Why does jessie not get timely security updates? |
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| 14:49.54 | moldy | huh: "OK" means "vulnerable" here? |
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| 14:50.01 | huh | OK means good |
| 14:50.08 | huh | FAIL means vulnerable |
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| 14:50.24 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Because it is not meant to be used by users necessarily and provising security support is not possible for Debian (primarily due to not having enough people working on that) |
| 14:50.27 | moldy | huh: hmm, according to that test, even my jessie machine is "OK for both |
| 14:50.39 | babilen | *providing |
| 14:51.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen, I thought jessie had that sort of support, given security.debian.org tracks updates for it |
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| 14:51.27 | heurist | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe there is a hint in the name: "testing" ? |
| 14:51.35 | qjqqyy | jessie gets security updates when they pass through sid |
| 14:51.54 | heurist | Eduard_Munteanu: jessie will be updates from sid if they do not cause problems. |
| 14:52.07 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: It doesn't. Security support for jessie might be provided, but is -- as you can clearly see -- not to be taken for granted. You'd simply pull the packages from sid. That's easy enough and not doing so is irresponsible. |
| 14:52.19 | moldy | heurist: bash 4.3-9.1 on jessie here prints "OK" for both CVEs |
| 14:52.28 | moldy | huh: sorry ^ |
| 14:52.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yikes. I know it's less timely than wheezy, but I thought it would be the same process essentially. |
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| 14:52.46 | huh | or you could try http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/68421/vulnerability-test-for-cve-2014-7169-shellshock?lq=1 this |
| 14:52.58 | blackjack | huh: try the test i gave, im sure you will echo. meaning still vulnerable |
| 14:53.04 | heurist | moldy: then you are testing it wrong. echo not-ok prints not-ok on all my machines. (: |
| 14:53.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Am I better off running sid directly if I don't mind fixing potential issues? |
| 14:53.27 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: No, not at all. testing is *not* meant to be used by users. Lots of people pretend it is and, naturally, nobody tries to break it intentionally, but it is simply a tool that is used to make it easier to create a stable release. |
| 14:53.30 | blackjack | env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' sh -c "echo this is a test" |
| 14:53.49 | moldy | heurist: what could i be doing wrong? |
| 14:54.04 | huh | blackjack: it doesn't echo "vulnerable" for me, but I just upgraded from squeeze-lts |
| 14:54.09 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Well, as I said: Pull the packages you need from sid. That's easy enough -- /msg dpkg jsm -- but expects you to be aware of issues. |
| 14:54.17 | huh | I'm still not sure what the proper test for 7169 is |
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| 14:55.01 | huh | (the one you gave is for 6271) |
| 14:55.04 | moldy | heurist: curiously, echo `env X='() { (a)=>\' sh -c "echo '[Vulnerability CVE-2014-7169 Detected]'" 2> /dev/null; cat echo 2> /dev/null` says "[Vulnerability CVE-2014-7169 Detected]" even though /bin/sh points to dash on this system... |
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| 14:55.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Actually, what I mean to ask is... is sid more like, say, Arch or other rolling release distros, or is it more experimental in nature? |
| 14:55.46 | moldy | and i am running the code in zsh... |
| 14:55.59 | huh | moldy: then the test is broken |
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| 14:56.10 | moldy | huh: it seems so, yes |
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| 14:56.36 | huh | everyone in #bash is using this one: a='() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271 FAIL' b='() { (b)=>\' bash -c '/dev/stdout echo CVE-2014-7169 FAIL||echo CVE-2014-7169 OK;a||echo CVE-2014-6271 OK' 2>/dev/null |
| 14:56.37 | HiSPeed | but then, it could be zsh that is broken as well ;) |
| 14:56.53 | centrx | ow you just broke my system |
| 14:57.11 | moldy | otoh, this one doesn't detect my jessie bash as being vulnerable: x='() { :;}; echo VULNERABLE' bash -c : |
| 14:57.23 | heurist | moldy: these testa are not a good indicator. why are there so many variations? if one worked it would all there was. If they say they have not fixed it then they have not fixed it. see less /usr/share/doc/bash/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 14:57.35 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, testing is more like rolling release |
| 14:57.35 | blackjack | huh: but "this is a test" still echoes on you? |
| 14:57.46 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, The second bash patch should be in testing today |
| 14:57.47 | HiSPeed | want tests? just head over to your webserver and check for the several tries by botnets :-) |
| 14:57.49 | huh | blackjack: yes |
| 14:57.57 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, today sometime |
| 14:58.02 | abrotman | Testing isn't really like a rolling release |
| 14:58.09 | abrotman | no matter what wikipedia says |
| 14:58.16 | moldy | heurist: yep. it would be nice to have a definite test. |
| 14:58.24 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, abrotman, as far as reliability vs "experimental" sid |
| 14:58.34 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, but yeah testing is not a release at all |
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| 14:58.43 | abrotman | centrx: except that when Tesitng has a problem, it usually is a problem for longer |
| 14:59.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman, interesting... that makes me think I should be running 'sid' if I don't require updates to work out of the box |
| 14:59.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | e.g. my desktop machine |
| 15:00.07 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: that depends, do you need the box to work? |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: the problems in testing are usually fewer, and less serious, they just stick around longer |
| 15:00.29 | heurist | moldy: best test: zcat /usr/share/doc/bash/changelog.Debian.gz | grep CVE-2014-7169 || echo vulnerable! |
| 15:00.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman, I'm willing to fix issues, if that's what you're asking |
| 15:00.57 | moldy | heurist: well, that gives me the opinion of the debian maintainers ;) |
| 15:01.21 | heurist | moldy: I *trust* the debian maintainers. that is why I use debian. |
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| 15:01.39 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Yes, then fix them and pull packages you require from sid. Or track sid and do so in a sensible manner (i.e. follow "/msg dpkg sid faq") |
| 15:01.46 | huh | It says "Incomplete fix"... |
| 15:01.50 | moldy | heurist: i trust nobody except my barber ;) |
| 15:02.02 | abrotman | certainly doesn't trust the barber .. |
| 15:02.15 | heurist | moldy: do you know the ballad of "The Man from Ironbark?" |
| 15:02.20 | moldy | heurist: no |
| 15:02.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see, thanks. |
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| 15:03.10 | heurist | moldy: off topic, but it is a poem by Banjo Paterson, google it. |
| 15:03.16 | moldy | heurist: i am reading it |
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| 15:03.41 | heurist | moldy: maybe try find it sung. youtube maybe. |
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| 15:06.46 | moldy | funny |
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| 15:08.48 | tharkun | Is dash vulnerable to the shellshock bug present in bash? (That one is allready patched) |
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| 15:09.15 | huh | no |
| 15:09.28 | huh | afaik only bash allow exporting functions |
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| 15:10.08 | tharkun | huh: Thanks |
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| 15:12.38 | anddam | what common services are affected by shellshock? I'm running a small own Wheezy box with sshd and lighttpd |
| 15:13.01 | anddam | what should I be looking at? |
| 15:13.55 | heurist | anddam: anything that uses bash, or uses anything that uses bash. look at grep -irl bash /usr/bin |
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| 15:14.55 | anddam | the only worrying thing there is php5-cgi that I don't think I'm using in lighty anyway |
| 15:15.01 | huh | anddam: you should probably upgrade anyway, just in case |
| 15:15.10 | anddam | I already did |
| 15:15.45 | anddam | ah, seems I had it enabled instead |
| 15:16.17 | heurist | anddam: cgi and dhcp are the big ones people are talking about. look at tools like auditd, sysdig, selinux and such for future surety. |
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| 15:16.49 | anddam | the fastcgi lighty module is configured with "bin-path" => "/usr/bin/php-cgi", that isn't using bash, it's a binary file |
| 15:17.10 | anddam | no |
| 15:17.12 | anddam | my bad |
| 15:17.23 | anddam | it's a link to php5-cgi via alternatives |
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| 15:17.52 | heurist | anddam: it still may be able to call bash. |
| 15:18.09 | anddam | yea, php5-cgi matched the grep pattern |
| 15:18.28 | anddam | so apart upgrading anything should I check now to see if I have been compromised already? |
| 15:19.07 | drumr | there must bea patch already but not sure if its made it into the repos yet |
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| 15:25.04 | mgaunard | does debian jessie uses upstart or systemd? |
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| 15:25.28 | rozie | systemd |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | by default .. you can use upstart if you'd like and you can make it work for your purposes |
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| 15:30.07 | ToApolytoXaos | hello folks. i wanted to ask; is there a simpler way (less characters that is) to type the following command? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --yes && sudo apt-get autoremove --yes |
| 15:30.19 | ToApolytoXaos | i waste too many unnecessary characters |
| 15:31.31 | petemc | do you have a limited supply of charcters? |
| 15:31.31 | sosby | sudo su; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -y; apt-get autoremove -y |
| 15:31.33 | centrx | ToApolytoXaos, Get a root shell with su first |
| 15:31.34 | sosby | possibly |
| 15:32.05 | centrx | sosby, ToApolytoXaos You need the && to ensure the following commands only run after the previous commands finished successfully |
| 15:32.09 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: sudo bash -c 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade --yes && apt-get autoremove --yes' |
| 15:32.33 | sosby | true |
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| 15:33.04 | ToApolytoXaos | petemc, no i don't have a limited supply of characters. sosby, that would be unnecessary because what i have had in mind was something related to this: ls {a,b,c} |
| 15:33.12 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: but all we have done is remove some sudos |
| 15:33.21 | ToApolytoXaos | heurist, true |
| 15:33.26 | centrx | ToApolytoXaos, Make an alias for it in your .bashrc |
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| 15:33.49 | centrx | aguduar |
| 15:33.55 | ToApolytoXaos | i was thinking something like sudo apt-get {this --with-flag, and this --with-flag-as-well, and this} |
| 15:34.07 | ToApolytoXaos | that would be awesome to do |
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| 15:34.40 | centrx | there could be some fancy way to do that with bash |
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| 15:35.16 | ToApolytoXaos | but each command should be successful so the rest could proceed without interventions |
| 15:35.30 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: write an alias .. |
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| 15:37.05 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman, i don't think an alias would solve my "kind of" issue. |
| 15:37.15 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: of a for loop, something like: for command in update "dist-upgrade -y" "autoremove -y" ; do sudo apt-get $command ; done |
| 15:37.38 | ToApolytoXaos | lol heurist you went too far i'm afraid :D |
| 15:38.13 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: but all we are doing now is removing some apt-gets. (: |
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| 15:39.17 | centrx | As we are discovering, bash has all sorts of fancy undocumented features |
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| 15:39.52 | ToApolytoXaos | heurist: yes, that's true. |
| 15:40.57 | heurist | centrx: good point, we should not be using bash in our examples for a while, too much heat. but that works in all posix shells, it is not a bashism. |
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| 15:41.59 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: try it |
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| 15:43.52 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman: even though looks very convenient and *would* work this way, it's yet again a long like that creates an unnecessary fuss. |
| 15:44.02 | ToApolytoXaos | *line |
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| 15:48.28 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: you can use it, or keep whining .. your cohice |
| 15:48.59 | ToApolytoXaos | lol, you got vicious now :P |
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| 15:49.28 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:52.24 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: wc -L ~/.bash_history says my longest command is 166 characters. why are you worrying about it? |
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| 15:55.40 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: cat ~/.bash_history | awk '{print length}' | sort -unr | head -10 shows 9 commands longer than 100 characters. |
| 15:56.01 | ToApolytoXaos | heurist: it has nothing to do with the size of line, but with the reiteration of "sudo apt-get" |
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| 15:56.24 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: side note, did you try sudo "apt-get foo;apt-get foo2" ? |
| 15:57.07 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: I know, it is a messy command. but how often do you need to run it? does it matter. |
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| 15:58.27 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman: nope; the reason is because with semicolon will run both commands sequentially regardless of success or failure. that's why i had to use logical AND operator |
| 15:59.04 | nusr | why is the virtual address space 2 by default in debian? i tried shutting down the randomization but it doesn't shut down and the address space is still randomized |
| 15:59.13 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: then use a && instead of ;, just quote them |
| 15:59.16 | abrotman | jeez |
| 15:59.31 | heurist | ToApolytoXaos: that will not work, the shell will try treat that one command. hence my bash -c 'command;command2'. which gives bash command;command2 and makes the current shell not try interpret the ; or && |
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| 16:00.24 | rgr | just stick it in a "upd.sh" on your path. easy. no hassles. https://gist.github.com/edfd28bca0c965b45e97 . and you are right with the && of course. |
| 16:00.42 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman: that would not solve the issue entirely; you see the reiteration of apt-get? |
| 16:00.46 | ToApolytoXaos | i want to avoid that as well |
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| 16:01.58 | nusr | cat /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space is set to 0 from the default 2 which cat shows, but the address space is still not randomized |
| 16:02.04 | valdyn | this is where you write your own turing complete apt-get programming language ;) |
| 16:02.19 | nusr | i mean it is still randomized..sorry |
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| 16:02.57 | heurist | valdyn: or just a script that uses apt-get? |
| 16:03.13 | rgr | as in the gist... |
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| 16:05.08 | nusr | also, why doesn't debian warn when i use a "gets" in a c program when compiling |
| 16:05.40 | valdyn | nusr: you probably mean gcc ? |
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| 16:06.07 | nusr | valdyn: yes, i'm compiling a c program using gcc |
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| 16:06.25 | valdyn | nusr: which compiler warns when you use gets? |
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| 16:06.42 | nusr | i did t he same gcc with ubuntu and it highlighted |
| 16:07.08 | centrx | it might be a different version of gcc |
| 16:07.09 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: then use an alias .. this isn't rocket science |
| 16:07.10 | durpadorp | Where is the config file that'll let me set wlan0 and eth0 as down on boot. |
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| 16:07.44 | centrx | durpadorp, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 16:08.02 | heurist | nusr: -Wall ? |
| 16:08.14 | nusr | valdyn: also, the values for memory address in debian is different from ubuntu. i'm trying to shut off the virtual memory addressing but even if i set it to "off" or "0" debian is still randomizing the address space |
| 16:08.14 | moldy | my gcc warns, even without -Wall |
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| 16:08.32 | centrx | nusr, Isn't that a good feature for security purposes? |
| 16:08.38 | nusr | heurist: thanks i'll try that |
| 16:08.54 | moldy | nusr: which debian version are you using? |
| 16:09.03 | heurist | nusr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization |
| 16:09.09 | nusr | centrx: yeah i know. i'll set it back later |
| 16:09.13 | nusr | moldy: 7 |
| 16:09.23 | ChrisH | My cups does no longer print: "ijsgutenprint: the version of Gutenprint software installed (5.2.9) does not match the PPD file (5.2.6)" google search did not really help. Any hints on how to proceed? |
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| 16:09.54 | durpadorp | So just append "ifdown wlan0" to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:09.55 | moldy | nusr: on newer debian versions, gcc will warn |
| 16:10.19 | centrx | *unreleased versions |
| 16:10.25 | valdyn | nusr: the warning is only implemented in newer gcc versions in debian |
| 16:11.21 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman: that would be unnecessary. it seems i cannot accomplish what i really want, therefore i will stick with my current one-line command. thank you everyone for the amazing feedback; it was indeed insightful. |
| 16:11.53 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: again with the whining .. good luck |
| 16:12.08 | ompaul | ,v gutenprint |
| 16:12.09 | judd | No package named 'gutenprint' was found in i386. |
| 16:12.30 | huh | ,v vrms |
| 16:12.31 | judd | Package: vrms on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15; wheezy: 1.16; sid: 1.16; jessie: 1.16 |
| 16:12.59 | ompaul | vrms is wrong false and should be banned |
| 16:13.14 | ChrisH | ,v cups-driver-gutenprint |
| 16:13.15 | judd | Package: cups-driver-gutenprint on i386 -- squeeze: 5.2.6-1; wheezy: 5.2.9-1; jessie: 5.2.10-3; sid: 5.2.10-3 |
| 16:13.19 | ompaul | real rms doesn't like vrms :) |
| 16:13.32 | ChrisH | ompaul: that the installed one |
| 16:13.33 | huh | rename it vesr then? |
| 16:13.48 | abrotman | ... |
| 16:13.52 | ompaul | ChrisH: apt-get install --reinstall cups printer-driver-gutenprint |
| 16:13.59 | ompaul | might help |
| 16:14.06 | ompaul | huh: that's good |
| 16:14.12 | ompaul | but still rubbish :) |
| 16:14.33 | ompaul | all it does is check which repo you installed things from |
| 16:14.42 | ompaul | so it is vdfsg free |
| 16:14.54 | ompaul | assuming no freedom bugs |
| 16:15.27 | ChrisH | ompaul: I will give that a try, after the box is reachable again |
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| 16:16.08 | ompaul | ChrisH: it might self ameliorate |
| 16:16.13 | nusr | ok thanks centrx, moldy, heurist, valdyn |
| 16:16.24 | ompaul | ChrisH: I'm taking it you are mid dist-upgrade |
| 16:19.12 | moldy | is there an easy way to make cron include the cronjob's filename when it sends me the job's stderr? |
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| 16:23.13 | moldy | how do i install the default config file of a package if i made some changes to the config file in the past? |
| 16:23.22 | ChrisH | ompaul: I only did the past days Updates (apt/bash) |
| 16:23.44 | Utils | I did a system update which also updated PHP to 5.6. Things have now broken specifically with PHP but the problem appears to be issues with SSL certs: "OpenSSL Error messages: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed" anyone know what the problem actually is and how I can fix it? |
| 16:23.48 | Utils | StartTLS also fails to start. |
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| 16:27.14 | qjqqyy | ,v php |
| 16:27.15 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 16:27.49 | abrotman | qjqqyy: try http://packages.debian.org/php |
| 16:28.06 | qjqqyy | I'll just pull a terminal thx abrotman |
| 16:28.36 | qjqqyy | ,v php5 |
| 16:28.38 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze21; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u14; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u14; jessie: 5.6.0+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.0+dfsg-1 |
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| 16:31.18 | ChrisH | ompaul: did not change anything... need to find which ppd is inplace |
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| 16:33.18 | Utils | Do you need a domain name when creating SSL certs or can it be the IP address of the server? |
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| 16:34.06 | Utils | For instance, I have a certificate that uses mail.example.com as the CN but I connect to my mail server under the IP address. |
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| 16:36.22 | heurist | moldy: they easiest is just to extract the original config file from the .deb. but you can also do apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall <package> also look into etckeeper |
| 16:36.32 | moldy | Utils: i *think* you can use an IP address, but I am not 100% sure. |
| 16:36.43 | Utils | Only one way to find out. :) |
| 16:36.58 | moldy | heurist: do i need to remove the existing file before the --force-confmiss method will work? |
| 16:37.19 | heurist | moldy: --reinstall implies no, but you will need to test it. |
| 16:37.29 | moldy | heurist: ok, thanks |
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| 16:38.30 | moldy | etckeeper looks like a good idea |
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| 16:40.17 | iveevue | Will Java 8 make it to next debian? |
| 16:40.24 | heurist | moldy: I seldom use etckeeper to restore things (just lucky) but really like how much info I get from the git commit message about what has changed in /etc after installing stuff, mainly /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 16:41.13 | moldy | heurist: my main use case is that during an update, i chose to keep my "locally modified" version, and then later i change my mind |
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| 16:41.32 | Utils | moldy: well, I used an IP. eM Client (A mail client) now gives me "A certificate chain processed but terminated in a root certificate which is not trusted by the trust provider", what does this mean? |
| 16:41.33 | heurist | moldy: that is a good use case too. |
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| 16:41.43 | moldy | i am used to this being very easy on gentoo and find it a bit surprising that it requires such situps on debian ;) |
| 16:42.15 | moldy | i'd expect something like "apt-get reinstall-configs <packagename>" |
| 16:42.20 | heurist | moldy: I too prefer gentoo's handling of /etc and starting services. but hey. |
| 16:42.24 | moldy | but ah well |
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| 16:43.25 | moldy | Utils: IP addresses can change, so if you can afford it, setting up a dns hostname is a good idea |
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| 16:43.59 | Utils | True. Can I not just create a subdomain that points to for instance ms.example.com and the certificate uses ms.example.com in the CN |
| 16:44.09 | Utils | i mean the subdomain that points ot my mail servers ip |
| 16:44.33 | Utils | ms.example.com -> 104.131.192.67, Cert CN = ms.example.com |
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| 16:44.48 | moldy | Utils: yes, that's the idea |
| 16:44.55 | Utils | Oh, then it should be free! |
| 16:45.01 | Utils | At least, for I. |
| 16:45.05 | moldy | or you can even use *.example.com |
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| 16:45.22 | Utils | Well, my web server is separated from my mail server. So *.example.com would take away everything from the web server. |
| 16:45.29 | Utils | I'll stick to ms :P |
| 16:45.41 | moldy | sure. if the subdomain is free, no reason not to do it. |
| 16:45.47 | Utils | :D |
| 16:46.03 | Utils | I'm a little happy, hopefully can fix this once and for all. I have no idea why it suddenly stopped working after an update though. |
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| 16:48.30 | ChrisH | ompaul: replaced the printer driver in cups webfrontend to cups+gutenprint and now its working. |
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| 16:53.39 | CrowX- | I just upgraded php-fpm and but chose to keep the old configuration, and now when it starts, it creates the socket file owned by root. Apparently it doesn't read the user and group variables set in /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf |
| 16:54.08 | CrowX- | is the pool.d/ directory not used in newer versions or what? |
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| 17:09.06 | anddam | the latest changelog is about shellsock, right? http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/b/bash/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3_changelog |
| 17:09.30 | anddam | so as long as I update+upgrade as stable system that bug shouold be fixed |
| 17:09.34 | anddam | is that correct? |
| 17:09.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:09.45 | anddam | thanks |
| 17:09.55 | ruukasu | how can I install an old package from jessie as it was on a certain date? |
| 17:10.08 | anddam | is jessie stable already? |
| 17:10.17 | abrotman | anddam: no |
| 17:10.18 | ruukasu | no |
| 17:10.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ruukasu about sdn |
| 17:10.30 | ruukasu | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:10.32 | anddam | oh, I was mislead by "old" |
| 17:10.35 | ruukasu | aah |
| 17:10.55 | ruukasu | no, I just meant outdated for jessie. still newer than wheezy's version |
| 17:11.22 | abrotman | ruukasu: what are you looking for and why? |
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| 17:12.25 | ruukasu | jessie's candidate version of ibus-mozc causes my system to become completely unresponsive, including ctrl+alt+f1 not working. I'm currently on wheezy's version, but it lacks features |
| 17:12.26 | Utils | moldy: the same error actually comes up when using a sub domain. "A certificate chain processed by terminated in a root certificate which is not trusted by the provider." any idea how I can fix this? |
| 17:12.36 | ruukasu | (abrotman) |
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| 17:13.12 | anddam | when mentioning a bug what's a good reference URL to show? |
| 17:13.24 | ruukasu | the version before jessie' candidate version didn't have the bug. reported a week or two ago but no response or fix |
| 17:13.25 | anddam | some bug tracker or authoritative security site or so |
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| 17:16.05 | abrotman | anddam: that's vague, be more precise |
| 17:16.25 | anddam | abrotman: yes, I'm talking about shellsock in a mail and I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellshock_(software_bug) |
| 17:16.34 | anddam | is there a more proper URL to use? |
| 17:16.51 | ashka | hey, I'm getting a GPG error in APT with the backports, am I missing a signature in my local database ? I couldn't find any signature file to import. Log: http://paste.awesom.eu/AFgo&raw |
| 17:16.52 | anddam | like a gateway to mailing list where this was originally disclosed or so |
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| 17:19.51 | abrotman | anddam: why? for who/ |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:20.10 | anddam | abrotman: friends, to alert them about the bug |
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| 17:20.12 | peepTV | were? when? |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | anddam: seriously .. if they care, they know |
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| 17:20.50 | abrotman | it's been on every news outlet for three days |
| 17:20.53 | moldy | Utils: install the root cert in your client or get a root cert it accepts |
| 17:20.54 | anddam | abrotman: they don't care, I thought it was better to alert them than not |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | .. |
| 17:21.17 | moldy | Utils: which CA is your cert from, which client software are you using? |
| 17:21.31 | ompaul | anddam: millions of people on planet earth, 1.something k and a few bots on an irc channel |
| 17:21.33 | anddam | and I told just in case they had a linux based system, I'm not aware of any specific need of security for them |
| 17:21.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:21.54 | abrotman | anddam: for starters, you don't even understand the bug |
| 17:21.55 | peepTV | !languge |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | or issue |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | peepTV: do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:22.14 | anddam | abrotman: I don't, you seem annoyed by this |
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| 17:22.28 | ompaul | lets drop shellshock and move on eh? |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | anddam: Because you're already doing the wrong thing |
| 17:22.31 | archdaemon | Hey guys, weird issue. With wheezy in a domU, when I run an aptitude command, it will often get stuck at this message: "[100%] Writing extended state information" for about 5 minutes |
| 17:22.35 | peepTV | abrotman:is always annoyed |
| 17:22.49 | archdaemon | during that time, the cpu is in 100% iowait |
| 17:22.50 | Utils | I'm lacking understanding here. I use OpenSSL to generate my dovecot and postfix certs for imap and smtp. The clients I'm using, one is eM client (however this was to test), I also use a web mail client which is roundcube, and I also use a PHP library called phpmailer |
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| 17:22.55 | Utils | @moldy |
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| 17:23.15 | anddam | abrotman: why didn't you just tell me "you're doing the wrong thing, the right thing is […]"? |
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| 17:23.27 | moldy | Utils: your clients don't trust your certs by default, because they do not know them |
| 17:23.30 | anddam | replace […] with the right thing |
| 17:24.15 | Utils | this never used to be an issue though moldy until I ran an update... it's like something changed relating to the SSL certs. |
| 17:24.46 | jhutchins | archdaemon: Install & run smartmontools, watch the log for errors. Your disk may be failing. |
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| 17:25.43 | moldy | Utils: if i create a cert that claims to be your mail server, how is your mail client supposed to know it's the wrong cert? |
| 17:25.48 | ruukasu | where can I see the list of changes to a package, eg when a version is updated in a repo, when its pushed from testing to stable, etc? |
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| 17:26.05 | ruukasu | swear I've seen it before, now I can only see the page with dependencies and such |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | ruukasu: packages.qa.debian.org |
| 17:26.28 | ruukasu | yes, thanks |
| 17:26.42 | ruukasu | what's the qa stand for? |
| 17:26.45 | Utils | moldy: surely that's impossible as you cannot possible have the domain and sub-domain ms.example.com if I have it? |
| 17:26.51 | Utils | and if that's the domain I'm connecting to... |
| 17:27.04 | moldy | Utils: i can enter into my cert whatever i want |
| 17:27.27 | ompaul | ruukasu: see this https://qa.debian.org/ |
| 17:27.27 | Utils | but my clients are not connecting to the domain that will use that cert? |
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| 17:27.54 | ruukasu | aah |
| 17:28.53 | archdaemon | jhutchins: I've got smartmontools installed, and there are no drive errors that I can see. The dom0, which also has wheezy, doesn't have this issue, and otherwise io seems fine |
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| 17:34.40 | archdaemon | what's weird is that apt-get doesn't have this issue either, only aptitude |
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| 17:37.15 | tharkun | !moo |
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| 17:37.57 | tharkun | So dpkg is awall anyone willing to fix it? |
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| 17:38.45 | abrotman | tharkun: only one person can .. |
| 17:38.54 | abrotman | dselect: hi |
| 17:38.54 | dselect | hola |
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| 17:39.12 | tharkun | abrotman: You know it, he knows it. Lets hope :D |
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| 17:40.12 | tharkun | abrotman: Do you happen to know what holes I have to punch to make a torrent work? |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | nope |
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| 17:41.09 | abrotman | doesn't punch holes, they work |
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| 17:59.23 | ruukasu | how can I install a package from the snapshot repo? both my main repo and the snapshot are jessie, so `apt-get -t jessie install package` won't work |
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| 17:59.38 | ruukasu | actually, is there a way to pin certain packages to that repo? |
| 18:00.38 | abrotman | the front page tells you IIRC |
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| 18:00.59 | ruukasu | front page of what? |
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| 18:06.49 | otila | I run debian jessie/sid in qemu, cirrus gd5446 graphics does not work very well https://i.imgur.com/jDE4feW.png |
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| 18:14.31 | Utils | I'm completely stuck here now. |
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| 18:14.46 | Utils | Doesn't seem like anyone knows about SSL certs at all. |
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| 18:15.48 | jhutchins | ruukasu: Are you mixing releases? |
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| 18:17.08 | abrotman | Utils: there's a channel called openssl |
| 18:17.17 | jhutchins | Utils: Is your key signed or generated by a recognized CA, or is it just self-generated and self-signed? |
| 18:17.44 | Utils | I created it using an openssl command. and #openssl are rather inactive although I have asked there twice. |
| 18:18.02 | jhutchins | Utils: Read the error message carefully. That's what it's telling you. |
| 18:19.01 | jhutchins | Utils: I know the documentation's pretty hard to follow, but it's a complex subject. |
| 18:19.03 | ruukasu | jhutchins: the alternatives are a non-functioning pure-jessie system (with the candidate system-crashing version of ibus-mozc) or a practically-non-functioning pure-wheezy system (with no networking, no right clicking, full fan speed 24/7, and too many other issues to count) |
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| 18:19.46 | jhutchins | !pinning |
| 18:19.46 | dpkg_ | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 18:20.19 | Utils | jhutchins: the error eM stays is "A certificate chain processed by terminated in a root certificate which is not trusted by the trust provider.". PHP also throws out errors too. It used to work before a system update so something changed the SSL certs which broke everything. |
| 18:20.51 | jhutchins | Utils: It's telling exactly what's wrong. |
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| 18:22.03 | Utils | That my root certificate is not trusted? But if that's the case, it used to be trusted before a system update so I don't understand? |
| 18:23.03 | jhutchins | Utils: No, it used to not tell you. |
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| 18:23.45 | Utils | ... so what do I do? Clearly I can't use openssl anymore then. |
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| 18:23.59 | Utils | I'd imagine millions of people would have had a system update that broke everything? |
| 18:26.05 | jhutchins | Utils: Which is pretty unrealistic, so there must be a way to deal with it. |
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| 18:27.32 | jhutchins | Utils: The client is what's giving you the error. Look at the configuration for the client and how it handles invalid certificates. |
| 18:28.42 | bla | There's a tool to check which daemons runs with old libraries and require restart - how is it called? And more - is there a list of tools like that? |
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| 18:29.58 | moldy | Utils: maybe you should answer my question from an hour ago ;) |
| 18:30.10 | heurist | bla: checkrestart from debian-goodies |
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| 18:30.19 | moldy | 19:33 moldy> Utils: where exactly and in what form are you seeing that error message? |
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| 18:32.02 | justanotheruser | Since google messed up pepperflashplayer, what should I use? An old version? |
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| 18:34.41 | bla | heurist, thanks! |
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| 18:39.14 | Utils | moldy: eM client tells me about it however.. .no errors show up in postfix/dovecot logs. as for roundcube and phpmailer errors, they do cause some stuff to show up in the postifx/dovecot logs. the errors spat out by roundcube/phpmailer more or less just say that things are broke. |
| 18:40.05 | Utils | Here is my mail.log http://pastebin.com/gbmZ7nL2 the events that took place in order was connection from eM client and then I exitted the application which is what caused by disconnected event on the 3rd line. I then attempted to connect via roundcube which followed on until line 8. I then attempted to send an email via phpmailer which contains from line 9 until the end. |
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| 18:40.20 | moldy | Utils: *of course* no errors show up in postfix/dovecot logs |
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| 18:40.35 | moldy | Utils: you should read up on SSL basics. start with wikipedia or something. |
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| 18:40.53 | Utils | Errors do show up though. "TLS library problem: 2439:error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert unknown ca:s3_pkt.c:1258:SSL alert number 48:" does actually say an error. |
| 18:40.57 | moldy | Utils: your issue is entirely client-side, as you have been told by several people now! |
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| 18:41.08 | Utils | I haven't even modified the client side! |
| 18:41.14 | Utils | It just broke after an update. damn. |
| 18:41.17 | moldy | Utils: that doesn't matter |
| 18:41.30 | Utils | So how would something break without being touched. Paranormal activity right there. |
| 18:41.34 | moldy | Utils: the fact that you did not modify it does *not* mean the problem does not need to be *fixed* there. |
| 18:41.48 | moldy | Utils: no, plain logic. please think harder. |
| 18:42.06 | Utils | Then if the problem is with the client, what is the problem? Why does postfix log errors if its the client with the error? |
| 18:42.09 | moldy | Utils: please please please make sure you understand how SSL certificate validation works before you spend more time debugging this |
| 18:42.55 | moldy | or just get a certificate from a commercial CA |
| 18:43.16 | moldy | they are not that expensive these days. USD20 / year or something. |
| 18:45.04 | Devastator | Utils I've never messed with openssl, but I think I understand what they are trying to say to you: your certificate was broken before the update, but when the update came, it only showed what was already there.. |
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| 18:53.06 | Utils | I just discovered that PHP recently started doing ca checks and Devastator made it clearer to me (noob friendly explanations ftw). I think I might be on the right track though. |
| 18:53.45 | Utils | my dovecot.pem and postfix.pem are not inside /usr/share/ca-certificates although .pem is not a .crt file, not sure whether it really matters. |
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| 18:54.36 | beet0l_ | anyone ever use debscan? |
| 18:55.17 | babilen | beet0l_: If you are referring to "debsecan" then, yes, lots of people use that. |
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| 18:56.04 | beet0l_ | ahh typo |
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| 18:56.15 | beet0l_ | would you recommend it? |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | for what? |
| 18:57.18 | beet0l_ | if i understand it correctly, it lets you search your local system for packages with security vulns |
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| 18:58.35 | babilen | exactly |
| 18:58.48 | babilen | I consider it to be useful |
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| 18:59.49 | folivora | Is it enough to run snmptrapd to receive snmp-traps and log them into syslog ? |
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| 19:27.43 | nath | hey folks, when I try to connect alsa related APPS, I get messages like this: #ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied (my USER is in the AUDIO Group) is ALSA using any specific Group, I need my USER to be added to? |
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| 19:28.28 | iveevue | Will Debian move to Wayland? |
| 19:28.44 | centrx | it has a good school system |
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| 19:42.29 | jhutchins | nath: Have you logged out since you added your username to the audio group? |
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| 19:45.46 | hestben | Hey guys, I have problems mounting an EFI file system. Mount want's me to specify file system, but parted does not report any file systems: http://pastebin.com/G06EgAWg |
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| 20:04.44 | sine0 | ./var/log/messages is just full of this: |
| 20:04.50 | sine0 | Sep 26 06:25:47 shakti rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.11" x-pid="1583" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed |
| 20:04.53 | sine0 | Sep 26 08:41:40 shakti kernel: [1451902.373545] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: link down |
| 20:04.56 | sine0 | Sep 26 08:41:41 shakti kernel: [1451903.838294] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x4DE1 |
| 20:04.59 | sine0 | Sep 26 12:17:25 shakti kernel: [1464847.911342] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: link down |
| 20:05.02 | sine0 | Sep 26 12:17:27 shakti kernel: [1464849.407235] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x4DE1 |
| 20:05.04 | nath | jhutchins: ohh yes many times ;-) |
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| 20:06.00 | nath | it was all running once, then for some reason after RT-kernel update I purched ind reinstalled ALSA utils |
| 20:06.11 | nath | never got the funcionality back :-/ |
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| 20:07.27 | nath | *and |
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| 20:08.08 | nath | help account add |
| 20:08.15 | nath | sorry :-) |
| 20:08.16 | adh0c | Hey, I'm stuck on a silly problem: trying to upgrade bash on a squeeze machine, but apt keeps complaining about unmet dependencies for apache2 & apache2-mpm-worker. |
| 20:08.33 | adh0c | I don't want to upgrade the apache instance on this server due to compatibility issues with the client's codebase. |
| 20:08.52 | adh0c | I've tried cleaning the package cache but apt still complains about unmet dependencies. |
| 20:09.08 | adh0c | How can I get it to shut up and ignore apache2 already? |
| 20:09.15 | centrx | adh0c, How are you upgrading bash? |
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| 20:09.45 | adh0c | Just pulling it in from squeeze-lts using 'apt-get install' |
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| 20:10.16 | centrx | adh0c, probably put the full error message and your sources.list up at paste.debian.net |
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| 20:12.35 | adh0c | centrx: here you are - |
| 20:12.37 | adh0c | http://pastebin.com/GWf24PWz |
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| 20:13.06 | adh0c | The negative-internet.com mirrors are our internal repositories. |
| 20:14.08 | centrx | adh0c, It looks like you have an older version of the apache packages installed, and for some reason they are pinned to stick with those packages |
| 20:14.25 | centrx | adh0c, You can try adding those package names to the apt-get install command-line, or looking at your apt-cache policy and pinning configuration |
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| 20:16.51 | adh0c | centrx: I thought so as well but there is no config specifying any packages being pinned in /etc/apt/ |
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| 20:18.08 | centrx | adh0c, If you install those packages explicitly, does it work? |
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| 20:20.47 | adh0c | Yep - I'm just going to go ahead and upgrade, and pray... 9_9 |
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| 20:24.00 | adh0c | Alright it's my lucky day. |
| 20:24.05 | adh0c | Thanks anyway centrx. |
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| 20:27.25 | puffie | has there ever been a general solution found to the issue where the wifi continually asks for a password on WPA networks? |
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| 20:27.47 | puffie | i've seen people ask about it online, but I haven't seen any particularly convincing or effective solution offered |
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| 20:33.03 | abrotman | puffie: Is it the same AP? |
| 20:33.14 | puffie | abrotman: AP? |
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| 20:33.31 | petn-randall | puffie: Access point |
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| 20:34.00 | puffie | petn-randall: ...I think |
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| 20:34.26 | puffie | one is hidden WPA, it just keeps prompting for the password without connecting or reporting an error |
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| 20:34.59 | petn-randall | puffie: If it always prompts the password again, it's wrong. |
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| 20:35.38 | puffie | petn-randall: the thing is, I know it's right |
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| 20:37.33 | adh0c | Do you have gnome-keyring installed puffie? |
| 20:37.46 | petn-randall | puffie: Does it connect at all? |
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| 20:38.07 | puffie | petn-randall: it connects to certain networks fine |
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| 20:38.22 | puffie | I've had this problem with both Crunchbang and (now) vanilla GNOME Debian |
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| 20:38.35 | petn-randall | puffie: No, I mean to that specific network. Does it connect at all? |
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| 20:38.56 | puffie | petn-randall: it never ends up connecting, but it recognizes and reports it |
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| 20:40.13 | petn-randall | puffie: Can you paste the contents of /var/log/daemon.log to http://paste.debian.net after connecting fails? |
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| 20:42.25 | puffie | petn-randall: later, yes. I'd have to reboot, and I'm in an exam review session :P |
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| 20:42.40 | shay_shay_ | halp |
| 20:42.42 | puffie | i've seen this problem elsewhere, too, I |
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| 20:42.54 | puffie | 'll post one of those threads if I find a particularly relevant one |
| 20:42.57 | shay_shay_ | my nick keeps gettign this suffix on it |
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| 20:43.19 | petn-randall | shay_shay_: This is because you netsplit. |
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| 20:43.34 | shay_shay_ | oh good point |
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| 20:44.19 | puffie | i may try wicd in place of network-manager, too |
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| 20:45.00 | petn-randall | puffie: It's best to debug the problem instead of trying stuff around that might not even help. |
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| 20:45.49 | puffie | petn-randall: this stuff is kind of dark magic, though, to be fair |
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| 20:47.59 | cloudsurfer | hello |
| 20:48.03 | bla_ | Hello. |
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| 20:48.53 | cloudsurfer | hello :) |
| 20:49.19 | cloudsurfer | i want to learn CS. i'm under the impression that linux is the best OS for CS students. is this true? and if it is, which linux distribution should i start with as a complete beginner to linux? |
| 20:49.22 | dvs | cues the "Three Blind Mice" theme |
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| 20:50.24 | arcke | cloudsurfer: whatever the best OS is depends on a lot |
| 20:50.49 | cloudsurfer | arcke, how can i make an informed decision? |
| 20:52.06 | heurist | cloudsurfer: if you are wanting to learn you should play with many distros, maybe in VMs. Debian is a good distro though, and this is a helpful channel. |
| 20:52.07 | arcke | CS should know something about POSIX, linux is POSIX-compliant |
| 20:52.13 | mtn | cloudsurfer: irc is probably the worst place to find out this information. we are all biased here. use the net to find articles and websites to help you make up your mind. you might start with wikipedia articles. |
| 20:52.14 | babilen | cloudsurfer: Debian is definitely not a bad decision, but you will have to learn and it would be *very* advisable to have somebody around for the initial install. Bunch of universities organise install parties for people. |
| 20:52.23 | babilen | dselect: tell cloudsurfer -about install debian |
| 20:52.28 | babilen | dselect: tell cloudsurfer -about debian handbook |
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| 20:53.17 | cloudsurfer | thanks everyone |
| 20:53.31 | babilen | cloudsurfer: Other distributions (e.g. Ubuntu, Mint, ..) will probably do a bit more for you out-of-the-box and it is up to you to choose your path. I can assure you that Debian is not a bad decision. |
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| 20:54.10 | babilen | (but it's not necessarily the "easiest", but then it most often works. You'll just might find yourself in a situation in which you cannot answer a question that is being asked yet) |
| 20:54.23 | boycottg00gle | cloudsurfer: go with debian |
| 20:54.34 | arcke | cloudsurfer: when i started using linux other open source OSes i switched a couple of times |
| 20:54.52 | heurist | cloudsurfer: don't tell anyone I told you; but looking at the BSDs is also a good idea, for learning how others do it. |
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| 20:58.59 | cloudsurfer | thanks heurist . "don't tell anyone i told you" i think i know what you mean by that but i'm not sure |
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| 20:59.47 | heurist | cloudsurfer: just joking about getting flamed for suggesting BSD in a linux channel, but #debian is not that insecure. (: |
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| 21:00.48 | cloudsurfer | i had to read up on the difference between unix and linux. i got as far as seeing that linux is just a tidier version of unix? |
| 21:01.18 | arcke | "tidier"? |
| 21:01.20 | boycottg00gle | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 21:01.31 | heurist | cloudsurfer: unix was a proprietary OS decades ago, it lives on as Linux and BSD now. |
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| 21:02.41 | boycottg00gle | dpkg bot gone? |
| 21:02.42 | dpkg_ | boycottg00gle: i haven't a clue |
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| 21:03.00 | cloudsurfer | why would anyone prefer lfs over debian? |
| 21:03.08 | cloudsurfer | or why would they prefer lfs in general? |
| 21:03.09 | boycottg00gle | !kfreebsd |
| 21:03.09 | dpkg_ | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 parallel with stable since Debian 7 "Wheezy". Ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:03.24 | heurist | cloudsurfer: oh, there are also a whole bunch of commercial Unixes, like VMS and AIX and such, but who cares about them. |
| 21:03.43 | cloudsurfer | boycottg00gle, i can't read that paragraph because i don't know what any of it means |
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| 21:03.56 | cloudsurfer | well, i can read it, but i'd have to pause and look up every 2nd word |
| 21:03.57 | heurist | cloudsurfer: lfs is a tool for teaching the linux internals not a distro to be used for any real work |
| 21:04.09 | boycottg00gle | cloudsurfer: it was just meant to make the point that debian isn't linux only |
| 21:04.30 | cloudsurfer | i see |
| 21:04.33 | cloudsurfer | kind of. |
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| 21:04.56 | cloudsurfer | so i should maybe try lfs before settling down with debian (while checking out everything else eventually)? |
| 21:05.45 | heurist | cloudsurfer: try it at the same time in a virtual machine. |
| 21:06.20 | cloudsurfer | another question if you don't mind :D |
| 21:06.29 | cloudsurfer | debian's been around for a long time. why did ubuntu spring up for? |
| 21:06.35 | heurist | cloudsurfer: lfs is a lot of work, maybe try in once you have an understanding of the basics |
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| 21:07.49 | heurist | cloudsurfer: for much the same reason that debian sprang up from the once that have been around from even longer? |
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| 21:08.15 | cloudsurfer | i just read that ubuntu is debian based |
| 21:08.49 | cloudsurfer | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 21:09.20 | heurist | cloudsurfer: there are lots of distros based on debian, not just the buntus. |
| 21:10.07 | cloudsurfer | that i'm aware. i just remember ubuntu specifically because it popped up in my life somehow a few years ago (while none of the others did) |
| 21:10.26 | cloudsurfer | " Already several government agencies and schools have adopted Ubuntu." |
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| 21:10.56 | heurist | cloudsurfer: ubuntu was aimed at making it super easy for non-technical people to install linux. |
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| 21:11.32 | cloudsurfer | i see. that is why i'm under the impression that it isn't difficult to install at all. |
| 21:11.44 | cloudsurfer | since that is the only linux distribution i've ever installed |
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| 21:12.54 | heurist | cloudsurfer: "easy" is relative. it was more demanding decades ago, now they are all easy. some distros make more choices for you, some let you make more choices. |
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| 21:16.01 | adh0c | cloudsurfer: Ubuntu was also meant to be a commercially-developed Debian variant. |
| 21:16.27 | adh0c | Whereas Debian itself is primarily developed by volunteers. |
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| 21:16.59 | cloudsurfer | how do they make any money from it at all? other than something i briefly read about amazon.. |
| 21:17.13 | adh0c | The CEO of Canonical is a rich boy. |
| 21:17.26 | adh0c | Although they also offer paid support packages, I believe. |
| 21:17.27 | cloudsurfer | i've read that. |
| 21:17.31 | cloudsurfer | but i don't see how he makes money through this |
| 21:17.35 | cloudsurfer | ah |
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| 21:19.33 | adh0c | Ubuntu's a pain in the ass though, especially for running on a server; not only do they use unconventional package names, which can often cause conflicts in porting applications between Ubuntu and Debian; their server editional also has a ton of junk in it which can complicate administration in comparison to say Debian or Centos. |
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| 21:20.24 | adh0c | But, prior to Debian Squeeze-LTS at least, their LTS released were the longest-supported .deb-based *nix distro around. |
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| 21:20.40 | boycottg00gle | real men use debian ;-) |
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| 21:20.49 | adh0c | Or Arch. :-P |
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| 21:21.08 | cloudsurfer | i'll have to wait a few days before i can download it |
| 21:21.19 | cloudsurfer | i spent $100 for 10gb of internet because the cap's been reached for this month |
| 21:22.01 | adh0c | If you want to experiment with a headless system you may be able to find a netinst (network installation) image which would be a lot smaller in size. |
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| 21:22.15 | adh0c | If you want a full GUI tho, you should try Mint instead of Ubuntu. |
| 21:22.31 | POLYPUSHER | cloudsurfer, oef! 100$ for 10GB? |
| 21:22.35 | adh0c | There's even a Linux Mint Debian Edition which offers many of the garnishes on Mint but on a more traditional Debian base. |
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| 21:23.11 | boycottg00gle | just use debian |
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| 21:24.01 | cloudsurfer | POLYPUSHER, yup that's $200 i spent on internet in the past 2 months |
| 21:24.09 | adh0c | Christ that's extortionate. |
| 21:24.11 | cloudsurfer | trying not to stream anything..... :D |
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| 21:24.20 | adh0c | You tethering to a mobile or something? |
| 21:24.23 | cloudsurfer | is it really though? i've heard terrible things about comcast. |
| 21:24.25 | cloudsurfer | yes i am |
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| 21:24.34 | adh0c | Sorry to hear. |
| 21:25.16 | adh0c | Can you find a public wifi network and just leech their bandwidth to download an ISO? |
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| 21:25.58 | POLYPUSHER | cloudsurfer, that's pretty expensive! Here in Africa I pay 100$ a month for 90GB softcapped 40Megabit 4G. |
| 21:26.05 | cloudsurfer | not a chance, it's not america here, people encrypt their networks |
| 21:26.50 | cloudsurfer | 4g.......... that's really fast isn't it? |
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| 21:27.27 | POLYPUSHER | cloudsurfer, It's decent. Not as fast as advertised but still lightyears ahead of what we had a few years ago. |
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| 21:28.22 | cloudsurfer | how's the crime levels in africa, going down at all? |
| 21:28.26 | babilen | !ot |
| 21:28.26 | dpkg_ | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:29.27 | POLYPUSHER | In my country things are good, we only have about two million people. Not as bad as South Africa. |
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| 21:30.14 | babilen | Please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:30.38 | POLYPUSHER | babilen, sure man - got derailed there for a moment. |
| 21:30.48 | babilen | ta |
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| 21:32.47 | wald0 | is there any "small / light" flavour of the kernel image? i just want to see how can improve my boot speed by using a very small kernel (the actual ones seems to be very big full of -maybe- options) |
| 21:33.07 | babilen | there isn't |
| 21:33.13 | wald0 | yeah i know how i can recompile my own kenrel but this can take more than one day and i just want to test it :) |
| 21:33.22 | adh0c | Have you tried compiling one? |
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| 21:33.33 | babilen | and I'd invest your time into something else |
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| 21:34.02 | babilen | (buy a SSD or just suspend the box, boot speed really is .. well .. unimportant IMHO) |
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| 21:34.15 | adh0c | You can use the "localmodconfig" make target to only compile the kernel modules required by your hardware. |
| 21:34.18 | cloudsurfer | I assumed it was South Africa that you were speaking of - but I'll stick back to topic now :) |
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| 21:34.23 | adh0c | That should significantly reduce the time. |
| 21:34.33 | POLYPUSHER | cloudsurfer, #debian-offtopic |
| 21:34.33 | babilen | 0.1s! |
| 21:34.50 | adh0c | I meant compilation time, not boot time. |
| 21:34.51 | adh0c | ;-) |
| 21:35.02 | adh0c | SSD is the best way to drop that. |
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| 21:35.15 | adh0c | I recently went back to a HDD and it's sooo sluggish. |
| 21:35.28 | wald0 | i have ssd, and i know how to compile kernrels, yes |
| 21:35.41 | wald0 | i just tried systemd and im amazed how fast boots the "init scripts" process |
| 21:35.59 | adh0c | systemd is impressive for that. |
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| 21:36.11 | wald0 | 13 seconds dropped to 10 seconds... but it only takes less than one second at plymouth/splash (which is initramfs + initscripts) |
| 21:36.19 | ProfOak_ | Hey guys, I'm having trouble figuring out why I don't have any sound. I'm running debian stable 32bit netinst, in virtualbox. I have alsa installed, and when I try to play a sound file through mplayer, it seems to execute just fine, but I don't hear anything. How can I figure out if it's a debian thing or a vbox thing I have to fix? |
| 21:36.22 | wald0 | so everything else is... loading kernel, loading initramfs :) |
| 21:36.30 | adh0c | You can also use systemd-analyze to measure the time for each part of the boot process if there's anything holding it up. |
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| 21:36.45 | adh0c | ProfOak_ have you installed Guest Additions? |
| 21:36.53 | heurist | wald0: have you looked at systemd-analyze plot > startupgraph.svg |
| 21:37.01 | adh0c | Also, I believe pulseaudio is generally used instead of alsamixer these days. |
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| 21:37.11 | wald0 | no but i just assume that is kernel/initramfs loading, by what i see in the screen |
| 21:37.19 | ProfOak_ | adh0c: No, but I plan on dd'ing this system onto real machine. Would vbox addons interfere on the other machine? |
| 21:37.44 | adh0c | Er, not alsamixer but alsa-utils. |
| 21:38.04 | adh0c | Ah, that's gonna be tricky as the drivers its set up for will all be for the virtualized interfaces. |
| 21:38.29 | adh0c | It might be worth building the image on a tiny partition from the intended machine, then dding that onto a larger one once it's up and running. |
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| 21:38.49 | adh0c | Or use LVM and resize that shit. |
| 21:39.48 | ProfOak_ | Thought about that, but I don't have access to the machine atm. I'm making a system for an old computer and it just has stepmania loaded on so he can use it as a ddr machine :p |
| 21:40.16 | ProfOak_ | I'm starting to think it might just be easier to ask him to give me the box and I do everything and give it back to him... |
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| 21:40.45 | adh0c | Definitely would be. |
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| 21:41.16 | adh0c | Is it currently on windows? |
| 21:41.17 | d0lph1n98 | debian have ecryptfs? |
| 21:41.23 | ProfOak_ | yes |
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| 21:41.34 | adh0c | Blast, so not debootstrapping. |
| 21:41.54 | ProfOak_ | it's like a p3 or p4 cpu with 256M ram |
| 21:41.55 | d0lph1n98 | does it use lots resources on debian? |
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| 21:42.17 | adh0c | d0lph1n98: ecryptfs is in the Linux kernel since ver 2.6.19 |
| 21:42.32 | adh0c | So it should be ubiquitous across distros these days. |
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| 21:43.09 | adh0c | Prof0ak_: have you given a look at Crunchbang? |
| 21:43.33 | adh0c | It's basically a stripped-down Debian variant running the superlightweight Openbox window manager. |
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| 21:43.42 | petn-randall | wonders why adh0c recommends other distros in a Debian channel. |
| 21:43.45 | adh0c | I used it for years and highly recommend it for older machines. |
| 21:43.54 | d0lph1n98 | it seems ecryptfs use lots of resources as it encrypt/decrypt files on the fly. So i want to know if its the same in debian? |
| 21:43.58 | ProfOak_ | I have everything setup with jwm, the only thing that doesn't work is I can't hear sound |
| 21:44.30 | adh0c | thinks informed decisions are the best decisions. |
| 21:44.53 | heurist | d0lph1n98: the principle of operation will be the same no matter what distro you use. |
| 21:45.00 | ProfOak_ | adh0c: I don't think distro should be an issue. |
| 21:45.09 | adh0c | d0lph1n98: yeah most likely. Do you need ecryptfs for a particular reason? If not, dm-crypt is preferable IMO. |
| 21:45.23 | adh0c | But heurist is right. |
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| 21:45.59 | d0lph1n98 | heurist: yeah it is |
| 21:46.20 | adh0c | is also very bored trying to kill the remaining twenty minutes of his shift. |
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| 21:47.32 | d0lph1n98 | adh0c: is there any encryption tool that does not encrypt/decrypt on the fly? |
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| 21:49.00 | adh0c | d0lph1n98: do you intend to encrypt the entire block device or just one directory/filesystem? |
| 21:49.08 | heurist | d0lph1n98: how would that work? you want it encrypted on the drive and decrypted when you read it? no? |
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| 21:50.24 | d0lph1n98 | i am using ecryptfs and i've encrypted my home folder but it seems ecryptfs .Private folder is using lots of resources |
| 21:50.43 | d0lph1n98 | i wanted to use an encryption tool that doesnt use that much resources |
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| 21:51.42 | adh0c | d0lph1n98: you can try EncFS but filesystem-level encryption will be more load-intensive. |
| 21:52.25 | adh0c | Forgive me petn-randall, but d0lph1n98 - you should give the Arch Wiki page on disk encryption a read: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption |
| 21:52.45 | adh0c | It's comprehensive in the conceptual differences. |
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| 21:53.29 | heurist | adh0c: I am sure recommending arch docs is politically correct, they are good docs. |
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| 21:53.47 | d0lph1n98 | adh0c: yeah i did read it before asking you |
| 21:53.49 | nollidj | i'm trying to install debian on a machine with intel 7260 wireless hardware. using the testing netboot image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ , when i select the iwlwifi driver during network hardware detection, no network interface is detected and dmesg emits messages like "firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode (-2)" |
| 21:54.09 | petn-randall | adh0c: It's not bad per se, but in the case of running on old hardware, there are plenty of ways to achieve that on a Debian box, too. |
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| 21:54.22 | adh0c | Of course. |
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| 21:54.51 | heurist | adh0c: plus crunchbang is based on wheezy anyway. |
| 21:55.00 | nollidj | where is firmware for wifi drivers normally located on a netboot image? |
| 21:55.27 | d0lph1n98 | i guess that security is hard to optimize without gettting load-intensive system |
| 21:55.28 | petn-randall | nollidj: That link shows me an empty page. The recommended way to install testing/unstable is to install a minimal stable, then upgrade. |
| 21:56.00 | adh0c | Good luck d0lph1n98; I'm calling it a night. |
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| 21:56.36 | d0lph1n98 | thanks adh0c |
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| 21:56.47 | adh0c | Anytime. |
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| 22:00.14 | nollidj | petn-randall: hm. the link WFM (unless it pasted wrong). i think i'm out of luck installing stable because support for intel 7260 started in kernel 3.10, but i thought that stable 7.6.0 had an older kernel |
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| 22:02.25 | petn-randall | nollidj: Can you install via Ethernet until you have upgraded? |
| 22:03.50 | nollidj | nope |
| 22:04.01 | nollidj | no cd drive, either |
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| 22:05.45 | babilen | nollidj: Install using CD1 or DVD1, download backported kernel (+ initramfs-tools) manually and install it with dpkg |
| 22:06.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | nollidj, use a USB stick |
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| 22:06.50 | nollidj | babilen: yeah, i guess i can do that |
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| 22:07.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | nollidj, or set up a VM in an existing Linux install |
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| 22:07.24 | nollidj | i do have a couple of existing linux installs. i was hoping not to have to jump through hoops in building my own boot image |
| 22:07.53 | nollidj | it sounds like things should work, but for some reason the firmware isn't being loaded right |
| 22:08.06 | nollidj | should /lib/firmware exist on the netboot root? |
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| 22:09.23 | nollidj | (it doesn't) |
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| 22:09.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | nollidj, maybe it's all in the initramfs |
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| 22:11.41 | nollidj | i think installing a fresh system off of a cd and going from there will be a good bet |
| 22:11.47 | nollidj | well, cd image |
| 22:12.06 | babilen | nollidj: Didn't you say that you require a newer kernel than 3.2? |
| 22:12.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | nollidj, or debootstrap jessie/sid if you're comfortable with that |
| 22:12.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | Should be faster than going through stable. |
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| 22:12.45 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Why do you assume that nollidj wants to install jessie or sid? |
| 22:13.11 | babilen | Ah, first question. |
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| 22:13.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah. |
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| 22:14.03 | lucavgobbi | How can I flush the DNS cache on debian? |
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| 22:14.21 | babilen | nollidj: You can also download the firmware.tar.gz and unpack it manually to the second partition on the installer. Not sure why it is not loaded initially, but that installed is a bit .. well ... beta quality ;) |
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| 22:15.29 | nollidj | babilen: if i can get backported kernel, etc, all i need it for is wifi |
| 22:15.32 | nollidj | i think/hope |
| 22:15.32 | heurist | lucavgobbi: probably service nscd restart but "cache" is ambiguous in this context. |
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| 22:16.17 | nollidj | so base system from stable cd + hack stuff in until wifi works, then upgrade to testing or unstable is a path i'm comfortable with |
| 22:16.30 | lucavgobbi | heurist: it returns nscd: unrecognized service |
| 22:16.48 | lucavgobbi | heurist: I've already tried lots of options |
| 22:17.28 | lucavgobbi | heurist: I've done some changes on my dns and I want to force the server to resolve the new name |
| 22:17.47 | tlund | I am looking for information about "security hardening" a debian 7 shell server where "untrusted" people will have access. I am interested in minimizing information leakage by chmod 0700/0600 most directories and files in etc, but without breaking stuff. can someone point min in the right direction? |
| 22:17.55 | heurist | lucavgobbi: what cache are you after? maybe bind9 or dnsmasq depends what you are running. |
| 22:17.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | lucavgobbi, if it isn't your server, you can't. |
| 22:18.18 | lucavgobbi | Eduard_Munteanu: both servers are mine |
| 22:18.43 | lucavgobbi | Eduard_Munteanu: one access the other, but the second one is new and the name resolution is outdated |
| 22:18.59 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: Are you not running bind? |
| 22:19.11 | lucavgobbi | Eduard_Munteanu: the first one still thinks that the server is the older one |
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| 22:19.16 | heurist | lucavgobbi: maybe dig +trace $hostname might help if it a dns server caching it. |
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| 22:20.08 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: what is bind? |
| 22:20.23 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: Look in /etc/init.d and see what the nscd daemon is actually called. That's one reason I usually use /etc/init.d/<daemon> start/stop - it allows tab completion. |
| 22:20.34 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: It's an actual nameserver. |
| 22:20.48 | heurist | lucavgobbi: it maybe called unscd if you installed that instead. |
| 22:20.56 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: I'm not familiar with nscd actually being able to set hostnames. |
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| 22:21.18 | heurist | jhutchins: lucavgobbi nscd just caches them. |
| 22:21.29 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: Berkeley Internet Name Daemon iirc. |
| 22:21.58 | heurist | lucavgobbi: does ping and dig give you the same IP for that host? which is right? |
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| 22:22.17 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: So you need to run an actual nameserver in order to be able to resolve hosts from other machines. |
| 22:23.01 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: For small operations that want dhcp dnsmasq is popular. |
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| 22:27.49 | lucavgobbi | iheurist: jhutchins: in fact, the resolution just updated right now |
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| 22:30.38 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: heurist: I have 2 servers on digital ocean, both running debian, I need to access the second on from the first and I'm using the DigitalOceans's dns server for name resolution. The problem is that i've built a new instance for server2 and updated the dns on digital ocean. From my computer the dns resolution updated in less than one minute but It took about 3h to server1 update the resolution |
| 22:31.04 | lucavgobbi | but now it's solved |
| 22:31.17 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: heurist: but now it's solved |
| 22:31.59 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: heurist: what is strange is that I found several commands over the web to force the 'dns flush cache' but none of them were reconized |
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| 22:33.57 | mgaunard | is there a channel dedicated to general sysadmin stuff, like setting up routes |
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| 22:36.29 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: heurist: Anyway, thanks for the help guys |
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| 22:38.33 | cuddylier | Anyone any idea why my process count is at 1100 and there is no apparent reason for it being so? |
| 22:38.33 | cuddylier | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.36 | cuddylier | I see quite a lot of these |
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| 22:41.58 | jhutchins | lucavgobbi: There's a part of the dns record called ttl which determines how long a lookup is good for before it needs to check upstream again. Typically if you know your' going to change something you set the ttl fairly low, then set it back to high to reduce load. |
| 22:42.32 | jhutchins | cuddylier: Figure out what it is. |
| 22:42.35 | heurist | cuddylier: googling for rcuos shows many results. it may be related to http://lwn.net/Articles/518953/ OS jitter Reduction |
| 22:44.18 | lucavgobbi | jhutchins: TTL was set to a 14400 I think. But if I force the dns flush it should lookup again right? |
| 22:45.03 | heurist | lucavgobbi: where it looks it up from may have it cached too, so you get that result. |
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| 22:45.31 | puffie | has anyone else been dealing with this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185002 |
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| 22:46.25 | lucavgobbi | heurist: I don't think so since my computer updated it after the flush. My best shot was that the server itself was holding the old resolution |
| 22:46.44 | lucavgobbi | heurist: but now it's working, just took a while ;) thanks for the help |
| 22:46.53 | heurist | lucavgobbi: could be you said it took 3 hours and 14400 seconds is 4 hours. |
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| 22:47.21 | cuddylier | heurist: Yeah although it may just be a consequence for my load being high for an unknown reason. My processes show as 1100 when it should be 200 at normal operation. |
| 22:47.31 | cuddylier | I cannot find out what is causing it to be at 1100-1200 |
| 22:47.34 | lucavgobbi | heurist: indeed |
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| 22:50.14 | puffie | so, i need to download wicd with all its dependencies to move it over to my debian box so that I can get wifi. How do I download wicd with all dependencies on OS X? |
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| 22:50.49 | puffie | but just all the non-standard stuff |
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| 22:53.50 | heurist | cuddylier: is it only rcuos that had many instances? ask ps -eo comm | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr |
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| 22:54.26 | cuddylier | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.51 | cuddylier | No other massive amounts of processes |
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| 22:58.29 | hamush | anyone know how to troubleshoot what is putting my laptop to sleep when i close the lid? LID_SLEEP is unset /etc/default/acpi-support and it happens with no display manager running |
| 22:59.52 | heurist | cuddylier: that is about a thousand processes there in your list. now you look at which are not right. |
| 23:00.33 | cuddylier | heurist: I did killall lsof |
| 23:00.34 | cuddylier | 123 lsof <defunct> 123 lsof |
| 23:00.42 | cuddylier | And it show shows the killed ones as <defunct> |
| 23:00.51 | cuddylier | It still shows 1036 sleeping processes after doing that |
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| 23:06.50 | cuddylier | Load is still rising over 140 after processes are halved hmm |
| 23:06.57 | shay_shay | the netinstaller is the only way to install with uefi? |
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| 23:07.06 | dgeary2 | cuddylier, check disk io |
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| 23:07.19 | dgeary2 | and memory |
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| 23:07.28 | cuddylier | dgeary2 The IO wait time shown in 'top' is 0 - 0.2 |
| 23:07.34 | garyserj | why is it, doing ls -l ssh-agent I see it listed with owner:group of root:ssh There is an ssh group, and an sshd user, but the sshd user is a member of groupid 65534 which is nogroup. so the ssh group has no users in it |
| 23:07.37 | cuddylier | Box has 23gb RAM free |
| 23:07.59 | puffie | As far as I can tell, the standard Debian 7.6.0 install's wifi is broken on a variety of networks (including national ones like eduroam) for a variety of wireless cards. It seems to be a consequence of the wpa_supplicant version. is anyone aware of this? it seems like a pretty major problem. |
| 23:08.22 | dgeary2 | cuddylier, are all filesystems local? |
| 23:08.42 | cuddylier | dgeary2 Yep, the box is fine for 1-2 days then runs into this problem. |
| 23:10.01 | heurist | cuddylier: have you looked at tools like atop? also auditd and sysdig could be useful. |
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| 23:10.56 | cuddylier | heurist: I just installed atop and did 'atop' and my SSH is hung so it's not gonna work at this load level. |
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| 23:11.24 | cuddylier | The majority of all my CPU threads are idle though |
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| 23:12.29 | heurist | cuddylier: atop also runs in the background and logs your system values, run it during the 1-2 days your system is working and see what changes as it goes bad. |
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| 23:13.17 | heurist | cuddylier: you need to compare good state with bad state, not just look at it when it is bad. |
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| 23:13.37 | heurist | cuddylier: how long has this been happening? have you been hacked? |
| 23:13.38 | cuddylier | heurist: I have a server box with almost identical normal processes running in normal state, 5 load. |
| 23:13.48 | cuddylier | heurist: I don't believe I have at least from what I've seen so far. |
| 23:14.05 | cuddylier | My SSH is fully secured so it would be a very small chance for someone to hack |
| 23:14.22 | heurist | cuddylier: you know about shellshock right? |
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| 23:14.40 | cuddylier | Yep, has been happening way before that |
| 23:15.03 | heurist | cuddylier: shellshock is over 20 years old. |
| 23:15.59 | cuddylier | heirist: I have 40 boxes and this is only happening on 2 |
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| 23:16.30 | shay_shay | hey guys |
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| 23:16.53 | shay_shay | do any of the livecd's have efi support? or just the netinst |
| 23:17.20 | cuddylier | heurist: Yeah although surely it should show up in process list if anything |
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| 23:37.10 | dondelelcaro | dgeary2: look for ustar \0, and then go back 257 bytes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(computing) for details |
| 23:37.21 | dgeary2 | thanks |
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| 23:39.10 | dgeary2 | dondelelcaro, wonderful |
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| 23:45.37 | dgeary2 | so there isn't much in the grub2 embedded config file. just 'search' for the filesystem from which to load modules, set the prefix to point at the folder with the modules in it, and load the normal configuration file |
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| 23:51.18 | CygniX | hi is there anything like this for Debian? https://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/os/redhat/NSA_RHEL_5_GUIDE_v4.2.pdf |
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| 23:57.04 | notRRR | Greetings. I'm doing some debian hardening with selinux. Any suggestions how to fix this: /usr/sbin/semanage: Boolean ftpd_connect_db is not defined |
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| 23:58.56 | heurist | notRRR: selinux on debian is a pain, you will need to fix a lot of little things that are not configured right. |
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| 23:59.42 | cafuego | See if you can find Russell Cokers blog - he's been doing SElinux on debian for years, should have tips & tricks. |
