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| 00:00.44 | adh0c | hi all - i have a somewhat lengthy question; I need two migrate a pair of webservers from physical machines to VMs. The physical machines are set up with /home on a separate disk as a dual-master DRBD share. |
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| 00:01.33 | RoyK | adh0c: and? |
| 00:01.33 | Daemoen | is there a way under debian to assign an mtu of 9000 to a non-physically bridged interface bridge ? |
| 00:01.52 | Daemoen | ( ie, its a private bridge, i just need it to allow for jumbo frames ) |
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| 00:02.01 | adh0c | It doesn't seem DRBD is suitable to VM's - is there another way to achieve a similar replication within xen VM's? |
| 00:02.51 | RoyK | adh0c: the data should be easy to transfer |
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| 00:03.07 | RoyK | adh0c: but setting up drbd on VMs, I don't know |
| 00:03.19 | adh0c | Daemoen: you should be able to use ifconfig to the affect of "# ifconfig ethX mtu XXXX". |
| 00:03.29 | adh0c | Although over-9000 I'm not so sure... |
| 00:03.41 | Daemoen | adh0c: doesnt seem to work on a non-physically bridged interface |
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| 00:03.50 | RoyK | ethernet doesn't support >9000 anyway |
| 00:03.52 | adh0c | Exactly. |
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| 00:03.55 | Daemoen | im just attempting to set mtu 9000 on a non-eth* bound bridge |
| 00:04.02 | adh0c | Possibly as a glusterfs share instead? |
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| 00:04.35 | Daemoen | ie, vmbr2 (no eth bridge assigned ), i need it to allow for jumboframes for testing a private network for a db we are testing |
| 00:04.41 | RoyK | adh0c: with virtualisation, storage should be redundant in itself |
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| 00:05.23 | RoyK | adh0c: what sort of storage do you have for this xen setup? |
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| 00:06.14 | adh0c | The HV has one 1.5G drive set up using LVM. |
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| 00:06.47 | adh0c | Each webserver has 100G LV slices. |
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| 00:08.01 | adh0c | Daemoen: what are you using to virtualize? |
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| 00:08.10 | RoyK | adh0c: use virtualised storage for that - redundant |
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| 00:08.27 | Daemoen | adh0c: kvm, virtio network driver for the guest drivers |
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| 00:08.43 | SkAzZ | heurist: Both of my servers are back up and drbd+gfs2 is synced and running. Thanks again for the command |
| 00:09.05 | Daemoen | got around it for now by changing the leader to stop usiing jumbo frames |
| 00:09.10 | Daemoen | hopining it will work okish at least for the test we are doing |
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| 00:10.49 | adh0c | RoyK: sorry I wasn't clear, each webserver needs a separate 100G LV slice for /home with replication between them. |
| 00:11.17 | adh0c | This is a temporary setup whilst I reconfigure the physical servers, not a permanent set up (which would obviously be retarded). |
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| 00:11.38 | RoyK | adh0c: separate storage on each vm/kvm host? |
| 00:11.46 | adh0c | each guest. |
| 00:12.06 | adh0c | They're sharing a host during the redeployment of the physical machines. |
| 00:12.24 | RoyK | adh0c: erm - what sort of filesystem? |
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| 00:12.32 | qman__ | if they're on the same physical host and storage anyway, why not just stand up a single web server for the interim? |
| 00:12.36 | qman__ | avoids the whole replication issue |
| 00:13.09 | RoyK | adh0c: if they're on the same storage, just use nfs |
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| 00:15.08 | qman__ | two VMs on the same host isn't HA, so not much point trying to recreate your HA setup within it |
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| 00:15.49 | RoyK | two VMs on the same storage, with DRBD or not, is not HA |
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| 00:32.09 | adh0c | Thanks for the help Royk & qman__ |
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| 00:37.12 | civillian | three cheers for abrotman ! |
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| 00:38.27 | dvs | !win abrotman |
| 00:38.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 00:39.42 | tharkun | abrotman: Has there been a Spanish hord saying hola around here? |
| 00:40.19 | tharkun | 's backlog is very small on this coffeepot. |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | tharkun: wrong hnetwork |
| 00:42.08 | tharkun | abrotman: Upss, thanks :) |
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| 00:43.15 | tharkun | BTW how is the guitar doing. Improving or just enjoying :) |
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| 00:44.20 | abrotman | Been too busy to play much, such is life |
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| 00:49.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have a folder, how to I turn it into a .deb? and how do I make my own deb repo? |
| 00:49.14 | prazic | i currently have bash 4.2.37(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi) installed but apparently this is an unpatched version. however, apt is saying my bash is the latest version? |
| 00:49.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | prazic: probably have to compile from source |
| 00:49.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | or wait until your arch is patched |
| 00:50.18 | heurist | TyrfingMjolnir: dpkg -l | grep bash says what about bash version? |
| 00:50.41 | prazic | heurist: it says ii bash 4.2+dfsg-0.1 |
| 00:50.47 | prazic | armel |
| 00:51.30 | heurist | prazic: that is not patched yet. |
| 00:51.37 | abrotman | prazic: that's maybe correct, they've found several additional bugs |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir about nmg |
| 00:52.01 | prazic | should i wait it out or compile from source? |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | does upstream have a fix? |
| 00:52.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | nmg? |
| 00:52.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | ??nmg |
| 00:52.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | ?nmg |
| 00:52.43 | themill | ,archs bash --release wheezy-security |
| 00:52.44 | judd | Package bash in wheezy-security: amd64 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), armel (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), armhf (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), i386 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), ia64 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), kfreebsd-amd64 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), kfreebsd-i386 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), mips (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), mipsel (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), powerpc (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), s390 (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), s390x (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3), sparc |
| 00:52.45 | judd | (4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3) |
| 00:53.12 | themill | ^^ the updateed package is available on all architectures |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | themill: they've found more .. Do those address those issues? |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | didn't think so |
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| 00:53.42 | themill | abrotman: no. That doesn' |
| 00:53.54 | themill | dpkg: tell change about 4.2+dfsg-0.1 being an outdated package |
| 00:53.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have a folder, how to I turn it into a .deb? and how do I make my own deb repo? |
| 00:54.05 | themill | looks at his keyboard |
| 00:54.08 | themill | TyrfingMjolnir: what dpkg told you |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir about nmg |
| 00:54.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oh |
| 00:54.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | PM? |
| 00:54.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | I see |
| 00:55.02 | heurist | !tell TyrfingMjolnir -about msg the bot |
| 00:55.17 | prazic | themill: if the package is available, i must be daft and not doing something right to have it updated |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | prazic: pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:55.40 | prazic | one second abrotman |
| 00:55.41 | themill | prazic: what's in your sources.list? What's the output of "apt-cache policy bash; apt-cache policy" |
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| 00:57.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | apt-get install packaging-tutorial |
| 00:57.39 | prazic | abrotman / themill : http://pastebin.com/PE64pEmX |
| 00:58.12 | themill | dpkg: tell prazic about wheezy sources.list |
| 00:58.23 | themill | prazic: you don't have a valid mirror for wheezy/updates in there |
| 00:58.44 | prazic | australian mirrors arn't valid? |
| 00:59.07 | themill | prazic: wheezy/updates aren't on the mirror network -- that would be generating a 404 when you run apt-get update. |
| 00:59.13 | themill | (and no, all Australian mirrors are shit) |
| 00:59.34 | civillian | Hey! |
| 00:59.39 | prazic | themill: woops! i saw those 404.. i shoud've known! |
| 00:59.41 | civillian | that's not a mirror... |
| 00:59.45 | civillian | THIS is a mirror! |
| 00:59.51 | tharkun | themill: I know 2 that aren't. Just don't generalize. |
| 01:00.18 | themill | tharkun: there is no Australian mirror that is listed on the debian website that is not shit |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | thought australians had to say shite ? |
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| 01:01.01 | tharkun | Ok, not all debian Australian mirrors are listed. |
| 01:01.07 | themill | (there are a couple of unlisted ones that peer off other badly run mirrors which then means that they are also crap) |
| 01:02.45 | civillian | pommies say shite |
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| 01:04.23 | civillian | mate |
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| 01:04.45 | tharkun | themill: Believe me. There are up to date Australian mirrors. At least two I know with *LARGE* input/output pipes and I am certain that they are carefully maintained to serve several hundreds of clients. |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | civillian: I think you want to play elsewhere |
| 01:05.47 | themill | tharkun: URLs? I'd believe you if you actually told me what they were :) And it'd be even better if they were listed on the mirror list |
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| 01:07.10 | tharkun | themill: Let me ask for permission. I am not the one that can make them available to the general public. |
| 01:07.28 | tharkun | goes writing some nice/tender emails |
| 01:07.47 | themill | Yeah, so not being available to the general public makes them not particularly good examples of "there are non-shit mirrors in Australia" when you can't actually let anyone use them :S |
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| 01:08.56 | prazic | themill: that somewhat was better but i get Err http://http.debian wheezy-updates Release.gpg - could not resolve http.debian |
| 01:09.08 | themill | prazic: http.debian.NET |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | that's not a real hostname .. read what the bot told you again |
| 01:09.14 | tharkun | themill: I'm used to getting some zzz when those guys are up for business. |
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| 01:09.28 | prazic | themill: i need sleep!!! |
| 01:09.38 | themill | tharkun: I'm used to beating my head against every mirror in this half of the world being poorly maintained. |
| 01:10.42 | prazic | themill: thanks! |
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| 01:11.02 | themill | np |
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| 01:13.16 | tharkun | themill: There are several extremely well maintained mirrors that prefer to be of the scope of the general radar. They are more a b2b type of mirror. |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense! |
| 01:13.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Only PDFs inside: apt-get install packaging-tutorial |
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| 01:14.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | scp debian Desktop/ |
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| 01:16.19 | tharkun | abrotman: When youn have limited connectivity and you have friends within your "Local" wide area network where connectivity is better you get to do stuff you wouldn't normally do. |
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| 01:17.25 | tharkun | abrotman: I have a friend on a company 10 blocks from my office and I get to use her Centos mirror like if it was local to my network |
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| 01:37.28 | Tam5 | Would anyone happen to know of Free Software that I could use to 1. OCR a billion or so PDF files, then 2. Organize those files by search keyword? For example I would use a keyword like say , "GNU Linux" and it would pull up all the pdf files that contain "GNU Linux" in the pdf somewhere. I could then take those files and put them into a directory |
| 01:37.28 | Tam5 | * ##linux :Cannot send to channel |
| 01:38.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is this it? |
| 01:38.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | cd into-the-folder-I-would-like-to-package |
| 01:38.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | debuild -us -uc |
| 01:39.29 | xorgprofessional | Feel free to laugh at me but the other day I was tinkering with xrandr and added a mode that my monitor apparently doesn't support and now when I startx it is complaining about my refresh rate so I graciously come to you headless via irssi. The modes aren't specified in my xorg.conf, is there a way I can remove it? |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | TyrfingMjolnir: have you read anything in the NMG? |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | Tam5: are they actually text PDFs? |
| 01:40.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | nmg? I m reading a PDF inside: packaging-tutorial |
| 01:41.13 | Tam5 | I don't know what those are..They are just PDF's of all different kinds. I must have tens of thousands of files, I would lvoe to have a way to semi-automatically sort them at least by keyword |
| 01:41.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | namely: packaging-tutorial.pdf |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | Tam5: apt-cache search OCR .. read the descriptions |
| 01:41.56 | Tam5 | I figured I would OCR them first so that the text is searchable somehow, then use anotehr program to search the contents of each pdf, or index them in a way that I can organize them |
| 01:42.03 | Tam5 | Ok, I will check that out, thank you. |
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| 01:42.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | abrotman: How does tesseract compare to gocr? |
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| 01:57.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | The PDF packaging-tutorial.pdf covers all I need to know about packaging for now |
| 01:57.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I set up my own local repo? |
| 01:58.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is this still valid: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/09/21/howto-create-your-own-local-debian-repository/ ? |
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| 02:35.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | If I m to package FX.php, how would I build the dependencies? It's clearly depending on php( in one way or other ) |
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| 04:02.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/108304/sudo-apt-get-install-on-os-x-mavericks |
| 04:02.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is this true: apt-get is just an interface for Aptitude, a deb packaging system. DEB isn't tied into Mac OS like it would be your average Linux distro, so you'd need an alternative. |
| 04:02.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
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| 04:04.53 | GinT | i've registered IRC ,how can i login CENTOS CHANNEL,THANKS |
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| 04:06.09 | heurist | GinT: you are not logged in. read the docs for your client to learn how to log in. |
| 04:07.29 | GinT | BUDDY ,i'm forgot my password ,and i do not know how to login,please,thanks |
| 04:08.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | GinT: I sure do not know your password |
| 04:08.30 | GinT | not kidding |
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| 04:09.10 | somiaj | GinT: this question is best for #freenode, I suggest you go ask there about password recovery/registration issues with their network. |
| 04:09.13 | GinT | i'm using 'alien' to convert DEB to RPM , it failed |
| 04:09.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | GinT: Why not use debian? |
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| 04:09.47 | GinT | ok ,i'll try ,thank guys very much |
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| 04:10.02 | GinT | i used debian before |
| 04:10.13 | GinT | #freenod |
| 04:10.19 | GinT | #freenode |
| 04:10.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | GinT: by accident? |
| 04:10.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | shruggs off his RPM allergies |
| 04:10.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | thinks about apt |
| 04:11.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | is noe happy |
| 04:11.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | is now happy |
| 04:11.11 | somiaj | GinT: /join #freenode |
| 04:11.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is fink a good implementation of apt? |
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| 04:12.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | will apt compile on Mac OOT? |
| 04:12.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or does apt have to be ported to run on mac? |
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| 04:13.55 | somiaj | What do you mean by Mac OOT? debian has ports for powerppc and now that macs are running x86 hardware it runs on those too. |
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| 04:17.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | somiaj: Will the apt source code compile on MacOS X? |
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| 04:18.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | I m looking to make my own repo for Mac, Windows and debian/ubuntu to run inhouse |
| 04:19.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | Many of the packages will be platform independant |
| 04:20.20 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: that i have no clue, though since neither osX or windows use dpkg it probabaly wouldn't work with out lots of tweaking as a package manager on non debian machines |
| 04:20.38 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: problem is apt is a front in to dpkg, so I'm unsure how many calls it makes are specifically to dpkg |
| 04:21.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | Perhaps better to hack Apple's Appstore? And make a local one? |
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| 04:24.11 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: are you wanting something like say cpan for perl, a collection of scripts/libaries/software you can download that don't require intergration with the software? |
| 04:24.41 | somiaj | but have things split up such that you'll need some dependency resolving? |
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| 04:25.51 | volga629_ | Hello Everyone I am trying mount nfs4 as specific user and group but getting this message http://fpaste.org/137650/14120511/ |
| 04:26.30 | volga629_ | is this user need to be exist on server ? |
| 04:26.49 | somiaj | yes the users of nfs need to exist on the server |
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| 04:27.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | I want a lazy way to harvest all the installers for a new employee |
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| 04:27.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | A bit like SKEL |
| 04:29.13 | somiaj | volga629_: http://www.softpanorama.org/Net/Application_layer/NFS/Troubleshooting/nfsv4_mounts_files_as_nobody.shtml -- that seems to be similar to your error |
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| 04:31.31 | volga629_ | is this user need to be exist on server ? |
| 04:31.38 | GinT | can some budy help me about this question,thanks very much |
| 04:31.41 | GinT | http://pastebin.centos.org/12666/ |
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| 04:34.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | GinT: CentOS != debian |
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| 04:35.53 | folivora | Hi, is there any option to upgrade i686 Lenny to Squeeze ? |
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| 04:36.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | folivora: Some idiot will claim it's better to do a clean install... what are your dependencies and configurations in this? |
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| 04:37.23 | folivora | Basic configuration, running apache. |
| 04:37.32 | kingsley | GinT: Maybe alien, lantern-installer-64.deb and/or CentOS are incompatible. |
| 04:37.46 | somiaj | folivora: debian systems are designed to be upgraded from one rlease to the next. Though I would suggest upgrading to wheezy since squeeze is only supported via squeeze lts, and since you are upgrading might go to the current stable |
| 04:37.46 | folivora | I am just curious, since squeeze-lts supports only i386/amd64 |
| 04:37.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | Does clean install sound like a good option for you? |
| 04:37.52 | somiaj | !tell folivora about lenny->squeeze |
| 04:37.57 | somiaj | !tell FloTiX about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 04:38.08 | somiaj | !tell folivora about squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:38.09 | folivora | somiaj: I am going to upgradre lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy |
| 04:38.11 | kingsley | GinT: My impression is that Debian and CentOS use different package managers. |
| 04:38.23 | somiaj | folivora: if you choose to upgrade to wheezy, go one step at a time. Yes that will work, make sure to read the release notes |
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| 04:38.34 | folivora | somiaj: I am familiar with upgrading, I am just confused about this lts repository thing |
| 04:38.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | GinT: Install debian |
| 04:39.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | If you really want to grab the precompiled binaries |
| 04:39.24 | kingsley | GinT: If you want to debug it, you could search Google's indices for the error message, or even look at line number 162 of /usr/local/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Deb.pm. |
| 04:39.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or compile from source: https://github.com/getlantern/lantern |
| 04:40.53 | somiaj | folivora: it is mostly the continuation of security support for x86 platforms only to extend the life of squeeze server software. So it contains any security fixes/upgrades as cve's are discovered that effect squeeze |
| 04:41.22 | folivora | somiaj: |
| 04:42.08 | folivora | Ok, so when upgrading from lenny,. I should just use the "normal" squeeze sources.list. |
| 04:42.11 | folivora | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:42.13 | folivora | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:42.14 | folivora | like this... |
| 04:42.15 | folivora | ? |
| 04:42.29 | somiaj | correct, you won't need any of the security fixes in squeeze-lts if you just plan to upgrade to wheezy aftewards |
| 04:42.39 | folivora | thank you |
| 04:42.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | Why not use cdn? |
| 04:43.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | deb http://cdn.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:43.09 | volga629_ | this fix didn't worked for nfs4 |
| 04:43.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | deb-src http://cdn.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:45.33 | somiaj | folivora: actually yea, you should use ftp.us.debian.org or replace us with yoru contry code, or better yet use http.debian.net as your mirror, but ftp.debian.org should not be used. |
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| 04:46.31 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: http.debian.net is the current suggested geoip redirection mirror. |
| 04:46.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | What happened to cdn? |
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| 04:47.34 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
| 04:47.53 | somiaj | TyrfingMjolnir: they are both there, so either works. |
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| 04:48.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | .net or .org? |
| 04:48.57 | somiaj | .net for the redirector |
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| 04:49.14 | folivora | why .org should not be used? |
| 04:49.29 | somiaj | seems according to the wiki mirros don't have to do anythign special to get it to point to them unlike cdn, I just know that the http.debian.net seems to be the prefered one to recomened these days of cdn |
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| 04:50.10 | buntutech | id like to try debian in my vm-iwent to the link to get the download-kinda hard to tell what i need there? |
| 04:50.17 | blackjack | hello guys, is there a way to undo an upgraded package? |
| 04:50.21 | buntutech | i prefer torrent |
| 04:50.23 | somiaj | folivora: load reasons, it is better to use a local mirror and alivate the load on the main site, you will get better speeds as a result too. |
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| 04:51.14 | GinT | i cannot open twitter ,facebook,youtube ,,,,,,any website ,i'm in china |
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| 04:51.47 | somiaj | buntutech: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 04:52.17 | buntutech | that list is massive sheesh |
| 04:52.31 | somiaj | buntutech: you can get away with the netinstall iso or grade cd1 or the desktop cd1 (lxde, xfce) of yoru choices |
| 04:52.33 | buntutech | i want the latest full featured 32 bit |
| 04:52.46 | somiaj | oh you want 32bit, well just go up one dir and hit the 32bit dir |
| 04:53.01 | buntutech | well ima put it in VM with 2gb ram |
| 04:53.07 | buntutech | should i still do 64 bit? |
| 04:53.11 | somiaj | buntutech: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/i386/bt-cd/ -- again it is the full list, but the netinstall cd should be enough for you |
| 04:53.30 | somiaj | buntutech: choice is yours, I would do 64bit, but the experience will be similar on either so choose what you like better |
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| 04:53.35 | buntutech | i dont want 40 question during install |
| 04:54.01 | buntutech | so 64 bit is better on 2gb ram? |
| 04:54.03 | somiaj | the installer is fairly uniform you'll have to answer them if you do the netinstall or cd1 (grab either one) |
| 04:54.13 | somiaj | difference is if you download the remaining software from the net or install it form the cd |
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| 04:54.31 | buntutech | ah so end result is same |
| 04:55.08 | buntutech | debian is more stable than ubuntu right? |
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| 04:56.31 | buntutech | why is ther 15 choice i dont which onew to pick |
| 04:56.38 | somiaj | buntutech: stable means a special thing in debian, and part of that means frozen. yes debian is more frozen than ubuntu |
| 04:57.02 | buntutech | means if it aint broke dont fix it |
| 04:57.12 | somiaj | so software version is locked in and won't change, as such you get security and bug fixes but won't get new features |
| 04:57.32 | buntutech | but the stuff works right |
| 04:57.36 | buntutech | ? |
| 04:57.51 | somiaj | what do you mean other 15 choices? just grab cd1 or the netinstall iso, debian has thousands of packages, if you want you can get them all on cd, but as you see it takes 8 cd's for that |
| 04:58.04 | buntutech | look at that link there is a ton of them |
| 04:58.24 | somiaj | yes, before a release any bug deemed release critical is fixed, this took about a year with wheezy to ensure that at the time of the release there were no bugs deemed release critcial (note there are minor bugs) |
| 04:58.35 | buntutech | do i have tp paste them here to get the right one? |
| 04:58.39 | buntutech | to* |
| 04:58.56 | somiaj | or just listen to my suggestion, 'get CD-1 or the netinstall image' that is all you'll need |
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| 04:59.11 | buntutech | ok ill look for cd1 brb |
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| 04:59.32 | buntutech | ima do cd 1 torrent |
| 04:59.40 | buntutech | that should go fast huh |
| 04:59.46 | somiaj | should be |
| 04:59.51 | buntutech | brb |
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| 05:03.16 | buntutech | wow only gonna take abooot 2-3 min |
| 05:03.47 | buntutech | does it have a unity desktop option? |
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| 05:10.19 | buntutech | burning |
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| 05:10.27 | buntutech | hope i like it |
| 05:10.39 | buntutech | ive never used debian |
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| 05:11.07 | buntutech | i tired a long time ago and got all balled up in the installer |
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| 05:13.59 | buntutech | i may need a lil push on the install can someone kinda keep an eye on me |
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| 05:14.55 | somiaj | when you run across a question just ask, someone may answer you depending on timing. Then just be patient. |
| 05:14.57 | CarlGel | I want to restart a driver, but I'm unsure of how I'd do that. Specifically my wacom tablet driver. As far as I can tell, xserver-xorg-input-wacom is the package. |
| 05:15.11 | CarlGel | help? |
| 05:16.25 | somiaj | CarlGel: do you want to reload the actual kernel module? Maybe xinput would allow you to reload the xorg driver, not sure though. Any reason you can't just restart xorg? |
| 05:16.48 | CarlGel | I'm new to linux in general, I could restart xorg, then :) |
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| 05:17.45 | somiaj | If it was a kernel module that you can load/unload with modprobe. For a tablet I would think xinput could do something with it, but when you say driver you aren't clear what you mean, I originally though you ment kernel module until you mentioned xorg. |
| 05:18.25 | CarlGel | hmm, well, http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Downloads |
| 05:18.33 | CarlGel | There appears to be a kernel driver? |
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| 05:19.51 | somiaj | maybe someone who is more familar with teh wacom tablet would be of better help, but if you can identify the module name (check the output of 'lsmod') you can reload it as follows |
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| 05:20.31 | themill | CarlGel: when you say "restart the driver" what do you actually want to do? |
| 05:20.33 | buntutech | brb must reboot |
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| 05:21.25 | CarlGel | I want to reload it so I can see if the problem can be fixed by good ol' turn it off and on again, I think. |
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| 05:21.58 | CarlGel | I am seeing "usbcore 178937 11 wacom,snd_usb_audio,usb_storage,ohci_hcd,ohci_pci,snd_usbmidi_lib,ehci_hcd,ehci_pci,usbhid,xhci_hcd |
| 05:21.59 | CarlGel | " |
| 05:22.28 | CarlGel | However, that could potentially take down all of my input, correct? |
| 05:22.47 | themill | unplugging the device and then plugging it back in again will reinitialise it |
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| 05:23.37 | CarlGel | hmm, if that's the case, then I have an issue to troubleshoot. The input is annoyingly lag filled! |
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| 05:39.20 | buntutech | i think i messed up the part about admin name |
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| 05:39.25 | buntutech | i shoulda let that go |
| 05:39.38 | buntutech | dammit why did it even ask that u always can ge troot by sudo |
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| 05:39.57 | buntutech | prolly have to it all over |
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| 05:43.19 | robin | hi |
| 05:43.29 | robin | I got a weird request to my server yesterday: "GET http://46.36.38.91:64011/echo HTTP/1.0" 302 224 "-" "-" |
| 05:43.45 | robin | The site contained {"Accept":["text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8"],"Accept-Encoding":["gzip, deflate"],"Accept-Language":["en-US,en;q=0.5"],"Connection":["keep-alive"],"Dnt":["1"],"User-Agent":["Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 Iceweasel/31.1.0"]} |
| 05:43.50 | robin | I am worried. |
| 05:43.57 | robin | Also, the log folder contained a weird file called echo. |
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| 05:46.11 | buntutech | sure takes a long time to install debian when and im on a i7 |
| 05:46.32 | robin | Deb has alyways been slow. |
| 05:46.39 | robin | to isntall |
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| 05:46.52 | buntutech | never seen anything like it hehe |
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| 05:47.00 | buntutech | hope it runs fast once it done |
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| 05:47.59 | buntutech | maybe the updates install with it? |
| 05:48.00 | volga629_ | Idmapd for nfs4 not working nfs4_name_to_uid: final return value is -22 |
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| 05:48.40 | volga629_ | can't find where exactly the issue |
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| 05:51.48 | buntutech | done installed lets see what happens |
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| 05:56.35 | buntutech | why is debiam saying unfortunately gnome 3 didint load |
| 05:56.53 | buntutech | im on damn i7 with a massive video card and 12 gb ram? |
| 05:56.57 | buntutech | haha |
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| 05:57.18 | buntutech | and it will only stay on the tiny VM screen wont let me expand it |
| 05:57.41 | cafuego | Probably your gfx card is too new to be supported by the free/open drivers. |
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| 06:02.42 | buntutech | debian will not let update |
| 06:02.59 | buntutech | says i dont know my password then i put in again says im not in sudo file? |
| 06:03.02 | buntutech | wtf is going? |
| 06:03.17 | buntutech | i just made a simple 3 letter password when i installed it |
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| 06:04.50 | zir0faive | as you said "you're not in the sudoers file" |
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| 06:05.46 | zir0faive | as a side note, a 3 letters password is way too weak... |
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| 06:05.53 | buntutech | what a bizarre os |
| 06:06.00 | bhuddah | lol |
| 06:06.06 | buntutech | ive used about a dozen of these |
| 06:06.08 | buntutech | haha |
| 06:06.17 | buntutech | had to go on as superuser |
| 06:06.33 | zir0faive | and add yourself to the sudoers file |
| 06:06.53 | buntutech | n o idea how to do that |
| 06:07.02 | buntutech | that is really not needed at all |
| 06:07.20 | zir0faive | don't use sudo then |
| 06:07.25 | buntutech | had i simply never made admin acct i could of done what i needed with sudo |
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| 06:07.43 | buntutech | should 1 acct and it should be non admin |
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| 06:07.56 | buntutech | extra work for confusion |
| 06:08.03 | buntutech | o well i learned the hard way |
| 06:08.24 | buntutech | this is one of those "gotcha" linux os's |
| 06:08.26 | buntutech | hehe |
| 06:08.45 | buntutech | sure is easy on ram thouh wow lower than lubuntu |
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| 06:09.34 | zir0faive | *ubuntu is over simplifying the administration tasks |
| 06:09.36 | buntutech | according to taks mgr im using 140mb ram incredible |
| 06:09.41 | zir0faive | because it is desktop oriented |
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| 06:10.19 | zir0faive | with debian, there is no preset orientation |
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| 06:10.25 | buntutech | there were a ton of question during install i didnt need too |
| 06:10.35 | buntutech | was like doing freakin jumpin jacks |
| 06:10.39 | buntutech | haha |
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| 06:10.56 | zir0faive | most of them are fine with defaults |
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| 06:11.07 | buntutech | i cant even see how to change the desktop wallpaper |
| 06:11.09 | zir0faive | but you may have wanted to tweak some |
| 06:11.22 | buntutech | no right click on desktop feature? |
| 06:11.31 | zir0faive | got gnome? |
| 06:11.45 | buntutech | it complained after install that gnome 3 couldntinstall |
| 06:11.52 | buntutech | which is just so dumb |
| 06:12.00 | buntutech | this computer is a massive beat |
| 06:12.02 | buntutech | beast |
| 06:12.17 | buntutech | but in system it said gnome 3 |
| 06:12.23 | peterrooney | buntutech: the level (and thus the amount) of questions asked is settable (at least during a text install) - with "Set debconf priority" and afterwards with "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 06:12.24 | buntutech | no idea what thats all about |
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| 06:12.52 | buntutech | how do i get a decent desktop now all i see is that gray swirl design |
| 06:13.07 | zir0faive | i don't use gnome, can't tell. |
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| 06:13.21 | buntutech | how do i change that wallpaper |
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| 06:13.42 | buntutech | maybe ill toss lxde on it at least that makes a lil bit of sence |
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| 06:13.59 | buntutech | lxde work on this? |
| 06:14.03 | zir0faive | yup |
| 06:14.23 | buntutech | so ..sudo apt-get install lxde |
| 06:14.27 | buntutech | like that? |
| 06:14.33 | peterrooney | buntutech: one of aptitude install {e17,lxde,xfce4,kde-full,gnome-desktop-environment} |
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| 06:14.51 | buntutech | maye ill do xfce on this one |
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| 06:15.04 | buntutech | did i write the command out correctly? |
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| 06:15.14 | rgr|android | you'll change de because you're unable to Google now to set the wallpaper? are you nuts? |
| 06:15.44 | buntutech | shouldnt ever have to google anything to change fwallpaper |
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| 06:16.18 | rgr|android | no, but thinking is a must. good luck. |
| 06:16.28 | buntutech | thinking to change wallpaper? |
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| 06:16.45 | buntutech | they made wallpaper change a taks to learn? |
| 06:16.48 | buntutech | haha |
| 06:16.52 | buntutech | ok |
| 06:16.56 | buntutech | this is new too me |
| 06:17.15 | buntutech | guess the swirl isnt so bad |
| 06:17.27 | buntutech | does xfce add a lot of overhead? |
| 06:17.54 | themill | try it and see |
| 06:18.10 | buntutech | well i had it a few years agon on xubuntu 9.04 |
| 06:18.14 | rgr|android | you're making a lot of noise. don't use the return key as punctuation. type long lines. Thanks. |
| 06:19.14 | buntutech | debian is using very little ram atm so i like that id settle for this odd wallaper if xfce adds a lot of fluff |
| 06:19.56 | buntutech | the last time i used xubuntu i recall saying to myself-wow its using almost as much ram as ubuntu |
| 06:20.11 | rgr|android | what do you mean by "lot of overhead"? xfce is lighter than gnome. the wallpaper uses no ram. what are you waffling on about? |
| 06:20.52 | rgr|android | use what's best and don't worry about it until you have an issue. |
| 06:20.59 | buntutech | does debian with xfce added in use more ram than debian left alone? |
| 06:21.18 | rgr|android | no. |
| 06:21.23 | buntutech | ok cool |
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| 06:22.35 | buntutech | suddenly feels a hunger pang for toasted waffles... |
| 06:22.54 | themill | perhaps you were looking for #defocus |
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| 06:23.30 | buntutech | no thanks they would be of lil help for a new debian user (frsh install) |
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| 06:34.58 | buntutech | ok i figured it out thanks for the help |
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| 07:06.44 | Sean-Der | Does anyone know of any extra steps to compile chromium on sid? debuild -uc -us end with `'components/search_engines/prepopulated_engines.h' file not found` |
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| 07:09.38 | Phyliares | i guess it needs an "autoreconf -i" before ./configure ? |
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| 07:15.36 | Phyliares | Sean-Der: Did you make some changes to the debian/rules file? |
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| 07:16.19 | Sean-Der | Phyliares: yes I did, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763421 |
| 07:16.36 | Sean-Der | oh, let me try that |
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| 07:18.51 | abailarri | Hello. I have a debian wheezy server with php, postfix, dovecot, mysql, pure-ftpd and apache, and few days ago, the bandwith is in 100% of the capacity. In the acces log, I don't see any strange! Any suggestion please? |
| 07:19.31 | Sean-Der | abailarri: Try nethogs to debug that |
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| 07:19.43 | Phyliares | abailarri: use a tool like iftop or bwm-ng like to see what's happening |
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| 07:20.52 | Phyliares | Sean-Der: you should try to /j #debian-mentors or #chromium |
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| 07:21.48 | Sean-Der | Phyliares: will do! I need update ZNC to connect to oftc just another TODO |
| 07:22.39 | Phyliares | Sean-Der: Ok, really need bouncer? |
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| 07:34.56 | Phyliares | Sean-Der: This file is used by json_to_struct.py to generate prepopulated_engine.h/cc |
| 07:35.15 | Phyliares | components / search_engines / prepopulated_engines_schema.json |
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| 07:38.12 | Sean-Der | I pulled in build-deps from chromium-bsu and notcied I was missing some build tools.. and am giving it another shot |
| 07:38.30 | Sean-Der | The build system is pretty complicated, I have never used most of the tools before |
| 07:38.38 | Sean-Der | If it fails I will actually learn it tomorrow :/ |
| 07:38.47 | Sean-Der | and it failed |
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| 07:52.20 | buntutech | i plugged in my flash drive why cant debian see it? |
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| 07:52.47 | buntutech | can someone help be able to use my flash drive in debian 7? |
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| 07:53.45 | jolt | buntutech: How is it connected? |
| 07:53.56 | sexyboy | is your user in the plugdev group? |
| 07:54.06 | buntutech | ru serious? |
| 07:54.58 | sexyboy | ? |
| 07:55.03 | buntutech | its a fresh install debian 7 and i simply plugged in my usb flash drive and debian doesnt see it |
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| 07:55.15 | buntutech | is like windows 3.1 or something |
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| 07:55.59 | sexyboy | well, debian does not prevent from incopetence of users |
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| 07:56.21 | sexyboy | use windows instead |
| 07:56.31 | buntutech | oic it cant see my flash drive because i am incompetant |
| 07:56.42 | sexyboy | yes. |
| 07:56.46 | buntutech | haha |
| 07:56.47 | buntutech | ok |
| 07:57.07 | thalos | buntutech: try lsusb and see if you can see it there? |
| 07:57.22 | buntutech | nah ima get rid of it |
| 07:57.30 | thalos | At least then you know the device is detected or not |
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| 07:57.55 | moeyebus_ | Hello |
| 07:58.01 | buntutech | ive used it daily many time in ubuntu lubuntu q4os deepin and many other linux |
| 07:58.08 | buntutech | but thanks moeyebus_ |
| 07:58.09 | moeyebus_ | I have a problem with a package, and I need a quick fix. |
| 07:58.15 | buntutech | i meant thanks thalos |
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| 07:58.38 | sexyboy | and yet you know nothing about using linux |
| 07:58.39 | thalos | np |
| 07:58.46 | moeyebus | You're welcome buntutech ;) |
| 07:58.54 | thalos | moeyebus: What's the problem? |
| 07:58.57 | abailarri | Phyliares, I used iftop to monitoring the server |
| 07:59.16 | moeyebus | shinken stores pids in /var/run/shinken |
| 07:59.25 | moeyebus | But the directory is volatile. |
| 07:59.27 | moeyebus | (tmpfs) |
| 07:59.49 | abailarri | I see some connections to my server, to a diferent ports (unused ports) with a low band usage (like 30KB) |
| 08:00.15 | abailarri | but I see a lot of IP trying to connect to a lot of ports (that I not use) |
| 08:00.15 | moeyebus | I need to `install -d -o shinken -g shinken /var/run/shinken` at boot |
| 08:00.40 | moeyebus | But I don't know which file gets executed right after mounting tmpfs. |
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| 08:01.45 | thalos | moeyebus: Hmm, I'm not exactly sure either without looking into it.. But can't you use rc.local? That one is always executed last in the boot chain |
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| 08:01.48 | oskie_ | what's the correct way to make the apt daily cron run on specific times? |
| 08:02.14 | sexyboy | man crontab |
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| 08:02.57 | oskie_ | if I move /etc/cron.daily/apt somewhere else and create a specific crontab then the daily script will not be updated correctly on upgrades |
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| 08:03.39 | crecca | I can't seem to play videos in console with `mplayer -vo fbdev file.flv', I have mplayer2 installed on debian jessie, I'm in `video' group, and I guess I have framebuffer mode because `fbi image.jpg' works... |
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| 08:05.00 | jelly-home | oskie_: are you sure? when you remove one conffile from a package but there are others, it will not get replaced on upgrade |
| 08:05.20 | sexyboy | crecca: i haven't done this in a while but try making the video output fir on your screen resolution |
| 08:05.32 | sexyboy | fit* |
| 08:05.43 | oskie_ | jelly-home: that's the thing, I guess I want it to be updated.. but I'll have to manually do that or modify cron.daily run times in /etc/crontab |
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| 08:06.09 | crecca | sexyboy: mkey |
| 08:06.41 | sexyboy | crecca: also there are some other fbdev mplayer implementations, but yeah, i haven't used mplayer in this way for a while |
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| 08:08.35 | jelly-home | oskie_: the latter will however move all the other jobs as well |
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| 08:08.45 | crecca | sexyboy: didn't work, I guess I have to dig a little bit more |
| 08:08.59 | sexyboy | yeah, man mplayer is huge but should cover it all |
| 08:09.52 | omarek | Hi, I have problem debugging the /etc/init.d/fcron script. It does not start automatically. ps -A says the process is running, the log says 'Starting advanced periodic command scheduler: fcron.', however 'fcrontab -e' complains it is not running. Any ideas ? |
| 08:10.12 | omarek | When ran manually, the process starts correctly. |
| 08:10.34 | jelly-home | crecca: don't expect too much from fb performance. It's better to use X and one of its accelerated scaling outputs (xv, gl, vdpau) |
| 08:11.23 | sexyboy | jelly-home: that's right but it playes sub-hd videos nicely on my pIII |
| 08:11.34 | sexyboy | lays* |
| 08:11.37 | sexyboy | plays* |
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| 08:15.37 | buntutech | p111 whoah |
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| 08:17.53 | Burps | Hi : using Wheezy 7.6, I set up an OpenVPN server, then build some clients : using ./pkitool client1 : OK. But using ./pkitool --pass client2, I get an error : failed to update database |
| 08:18.25 | Burps | I noticed that the cn=changeme for client2, while it's OK for client1 : anyone already noticed that ? |
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| 08:18.50 | jolt | did you run . vars first? |
| 08:19.06 | Burps | jolt: yes I did |
| 08:19.07 | kryl | hi, when I aggreagate 2 network by bonding do I need to setup 2 different network class on each interface ? |
| 08:19.16 | jolt | Burps: Might be that it have to be different CN then? |
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| 08:19.55 | jolt | Burps: I always run the scripts, ./build-key etc, those seems to work fine |
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| 08:21.36 | Burps | jolt: I think I'll do the same, but I've never reported a bug, and asked myself if it was time to start... |
| 08:22.40 | jolt | Burps: Might be, but I would assume it has to do with the cn, since I would think that it needs to be unique, and maybe that is an option to pkitool? |
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| 08:23.25 | Burps | I'll dig further and if I find something interesting, might come back here ;) |
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| 08:41.59 | ChrisH | Some weird lookimg issue, seen on Debian and Ubuntu currently an HP Probook with brcmsmac loaded. One WLAN is not shown in iwlist wlan0 scan | grep SID. Other coworkers are using it, the Android phone are also OK. WLAN AP was powercyled. Any idea how to nail that down? |
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| 08:54.44 | clink | hello. What format should the external usb stick have in order for the installer to read it and find the dir 'firmware' to load it? |
| 08:55.03 | clink | is fat32 ok? |
| 08:55.14 | jelly | clink: the usual single partition fat32 ought to be ok |
| 08:56.18 | clink | so far no joy :( |
| 08:56.25 | clink | but thanks |
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| 09:12.42 | moeyebus | thalos: Thanks. It works. |
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| 09:19.12 | madmac2501 | hi |
| 09:19.44 | madmac2501 | what option can I use to avoid that dpkg makes backups of the configuration files that are modified? (.dpkg-old files) |
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| 09:21.12 | rgr|android | why would you want to disable something so potentially life saving? |
| 09:22.00 | thalos | moeyebus: np |
| 09:23.25 | madmac2501 | because some services breaks when a .dpkg-old file appears |
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| 09:23.29 | madmac2501 | rgr|android, |
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| 09:26.53 | jelly | madmac2501: what kind of services, and can you just mop them up after upgrades/installations? |
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| 09:29.01 | madmac2501 | jelly: for example monit |
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| 09:29.27 | madmac2501 | I do unattended installations and I would like to clean up automatically dpkg-old files |
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| 09:31.52 | jelly | madmac2501: I'm guessing it might be done with triggers or Dpkg::Post-Invoke hooks in apt.conf (which has its own man page) |
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| 09:35.52 | RoyK | madmac2501: erm - how can aa new .dpkg-old file break a service? |
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| 09:37.00 | madmac2501 | RoyK, because a service tries to load them all |
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| 09:38.11 | RoyK | madmac2501: drunk programmer? |
| 09:39.37 | madmac2501 | RoyK, well... at least it is open source |
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| 09:40.13 | RoyK | madmac2501: seems to me a very bad idea to just load everything from a directory as config |
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| 09:41.21 | Tehenhauin | anyone here? |
| 09:41.52 | jelly | yes, Tehenhauin |
| 09:41.55 | madmac2501 | RoyK, agree |
| 09:42.49 | jelly | madmac2501: that's why run-parts avoids files with "." in the name, monit people could have learned something from that |
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| 09:44.24 | madmac2501 | I try to fix it the way it is done :) that happens when doing integration |
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| 09:52.58 | panarama | hi, i need some help on preseeding |
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| 09:53.13 | panarama | i just couldn't make it to work... |
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| 09:53.57 | panarama | my target is to edit the *.iso content after i'd "burn" it to usb using rufus |
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| 09:55.23 | panarama | thus modifying the preseed.cfg as i'm doing trial and error |
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| 09:56.35 | panarama | anyone facing the same issue? |
| 09:57.03 | Tehenha56 | wtf? |
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| 09:58.07 | Tehenha56 | best torrentserver package for debian/? |
| 09:58.15 | Tehenha56 | vuze VS deluge |
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| 09:59.39 | Burps | Tehenha56: using deluge, and happy... |
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| 10:07.35 | blue_sky | I want to make a local change to logrotate configuration for exim4, will upgrades honour my changes or should local changes go somewhere other than /etc/logrotate.d ? |
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| 10:14.04 | phaidros | why is a image file as lvm pv not shown in df ? |
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| 10:19.05 | jolt | phaidros: df shows mounted volumes. the image file is part of the lvm device, so that depends on what you have mounted? |
| 10:19.19 | ChrisH | phaidros: because its not a mounted LV |
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| 10:20.12 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:20.40 | Agiofws | is there an applications that displays how much free space there is on my hard drive? |
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| 10:20.48 | wols_ | Agiofws: df |
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| 10:20.57 | Agiofws | a graphical one? |
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| 10:21.25 | wols_ | gnome has diskinfo or some such. and every filemanager can do it too |
| 10:22.01 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/sHToodK.jpg |
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| 10:25.43 | jonkri | I'm about to write a software engineering/management master thesis, and I'm considering to do research into Debian. It should probably be in one of the following five fields: requirements engineering, empirical software engineering, software architecture, model-driven engineering or quality management. Does anyone have any suggestions of relevant topics or papers to read? Thanks! (I've already had a look at |
| 10:25.43 | jonkri | <https://wiki.debian.org/research/publications>.) |
| 10:26.30 | phaidros | ChrisH, jolt: but the image file exists in the filesystem and uses space, right? how to determine the usage of the "mother" filesystem which includes image files then? |
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| 10:32.46 | ChrisH | phaidros: df -h /some/file/system/imagefile will show you |
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| 10:34.23 | phaidros | ChrisH: ok, but how do I determine the usage of the filesystem containing the image file, including the size of the image file? is that even possible in that logic? |
| 10:35.24 | phaidros | ChrisH: btw, you command hint does show the df for the whole fs, without the image files even :/ |
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| 10:37.43 | ChrisH | phaidros: to find out about the LVM inside the image file you need to vgimport the VG and mount the LVs afterwards. |
| 10:38.30 | ChrisH | phaidros: you asked about the fileystem usage of the filesystem the Imagefiles resides in. and thats the df I gave you. |
| 10:39.03 | phaidros | ChrisH: so if I understand correctly, the image files are sparse files? ls shows a "virtual" size and df just the used amount ? |
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| 10:39.38 | phaidros | ChrisH: is that correct? because I have had excpected that an image file claims it's full size, hence df being able to show a real value .. |
| 10:39.49 | phaidros | so, sparse or not sparse :D |
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| 10:48.36 | ChrisH | phaidros: I think I still did not yet get your point. Can you some details on paste.debian.net please? |
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| 10:51.42 | MeanEYE | Is there a benefit of having entropy pool > 1000? |
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| 10:57.16 | SynrGy | MeanEYE: eh? it defaults to 4096 in debian, so i don't know what distribution you're running if it's any less than that |
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| 10:57.38 | SynrGy | MeanEYE: i mean, if we're talking about /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize |
| 10:57.41 | MeanEYE | SynrGy, that's the limit. Actual entropy size on my system is ~900 |
| 10:57.54 | MeanEYE | People are suggesting that it needs to be high. |
| 10:58.02 | MeanEYE | And am wondering if there's merit to that claim. |
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| 10:58.33 | SynrGy | so if you run out of entropy from the pool, then ioctls requesting random numbers can block until enough entropy is gathered to satisfy your request |
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| 10:58.51 | MeanEYE | I know that, but it doesn't feel like that is happening. |
| 10:59.08 | SynrGy | then it probably isn't |
| 10:59.32 | MeanEYE | You see, I have TPM on my laptop and I can feed that to /dev/random but that means I Have to have rngd, which means additional service and additional battery drain. |
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| 11:00.10 | SynrGy | beyond what i've read in the doc, i have no practical experience in this area. |
| 11:00.18 | MeanEYE | Okay. |
| 11:00.20 | SynrGy | if you really want to know, then profile the code you suspect might run into issues |
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| 11:00.40 | MeanEYE | It's not about specific code, but overall system behavior. |
| 11:00.46 | SynrGy | or else consult an authoritative source (someone who has actually profiled the code :) |
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| 11:01.03 | MeanEYE | Also I have i5-pro edition or something like that with built-in hardware random number generator, so I should be good either way. |
| 11:01.40 | SynrGy | a bit OT: recently i did run into entropy-related performance issues with jruby on OpenVMS/Itanium ... ;) |
| 11:01.58 | MeanEYE | Well, VMS is a different story. :) |
| 11:02.19 | SynrGy | turns out if Java doesn't have an implementation of /dev/random & /dev/urandom, it falls back to firing up a buttload of threads and doing timings to generate entropy |
| 11:02.27 | SynrGy | and guess what OpenVMS doesn't have? :) |
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| 11:02.41 | MeanEYE | Thread support :P |
| 11:03.02 | madmac2501 | how can I exclue a debian configuration file from the conffiles section in a debian package? |
| 11:03.27 | SynrGy | MeanEYE: thread support? heck no. it has that. |
| 11:03.28 | trollist | Vms is the server version of windows both made by dave cutler. |
| 11:03.37 | SynrGy | it just doesn't have /dev/random or /dev/urandom |
| 11:03.42 | MeanEYE | SynrGy, It's a joke :D |
| 11:04.28 | SynrGy | MeanEYE: |) |
| 11:04.52 | SynrGy | well, i guess it might be funnier if vms weren't my life :p |
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| 11:11.57 | DarsVaeda | as a user I add a new cronjob add reboot to crontab, what user will run this? root, the user or a special cron user? |
| 11:12.56 | SynrGy | with crontab -e? user cron jobs are run as the user. |
| 11:13.19 | DarsVaeda | okay thanks :) |
| 11:13.40 | SynrGy | that's kinda the whole point :) |
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| 11:15.03 | SynrGy | (though i question the use case of reboot via cron to begin with :p ) |
| 11:15.52 | DarsVaeda | :P of course a job at reboot although that might be nice to setup to freak out coworkers |
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| 11:17.25 | SynrGy | DarsVaeda: oh, i had forgotten cron can schedule things to run at reboot. just consulted doc. :) |
| 11:18.24 | SynrGy | so, starting a daemon as a user, then? with none of the niceties of being restarted when it upgrades :p |
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| 11:20.23 | DarsVaeda | no cleans duplicity files |
| 11:20.26 | DarsVaeda | or it should |
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| 11:25.17 | SynrG | Ah |
| 11:25.58 | SynrG | Startup seems an arbitrary time for that |
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| 11:26.35 | DarsVaeda | I couldn't think of any better time |
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| 11:33.28 | jabb | how unsafe is it to attempt to move to sid from wheezy on a fairly old install (couple months) |
| 11:33.31 | jabb | ? |
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| 11:36.02 | shingouz | jabb: if you do a full update/upgrade cycle on your wheezy, go to testing and do a full update/upgrade, then go to sid, you might survive it. i *do* have to mention that if you have to ask, you probably are not ready for sid. in other words, i do not recommend going to sid. learn on testing first because you will have some things break on you |
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| 11:38.08 | ChrisH | jabb: the main question is WHY do you want to move to unstable? |
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| 11:42.20 | jabb | ChrisH: developer, a lot of the most up to date tools are there |
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| 11:42.36 | jabb | i'm used to arch and AUR |
| 11:42.43 | jafeha | hello everybody! is anything known if we can expect debian security updates as soon as the xen advisory xsa-108 is published (tomorrow 12 o'clock UTC)? |
| 11:43.02 | jabb | so i'm used to having to check notes on updating packages |
| 11:43.19 | shingouz | !tell jabb about backports |
| 11:43.57 | shingouz | jabb: read what dpkg told you and msg him for more <information>. most of the time a backport is enough |
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| 11:44.58 | shingouz | jafeha: the debian security is not automagic... it is fast but not magic |
| 11:46.06 | jafeha | shingouz: i'm just asking as this is an embargoed advisory and debian is included in the list of informed vendors. |
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| 11:47.08 | ChrisH | jabb: so you develop on bleeding edge system and force your customers to run bleeding edge stuff, too? You might want to check backports. |
| 11:47.20 | shingouz | jafeha: i am not sure what the advisory is about, i just know that even if the debian security team knows about something, it willl take them some time to actually do somehting about it. it *does* take some time to hack together some new code, you know ;) |
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| 11:48.42 | jabb | ChrisH, ubuntu is a very popular system running on some stuff not in stable. |
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| 11:48.52 | jabb | libc, for example, is older than in ubuntu |
| 11:49.42 | ChrisH | jabb: and what is the problem with an older but security patched libc? (Keep in mind Ubuntu does only provide security updates for some packages not all) |
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| 11:51.18 | jafeha | shingouz: i know. the thing is, this is an embargoed advisory because of it's expected impact and vendors were informed during the last few days to give them time to prepare the patches. so i hoped to find someone of the debian security team who might tell me if we can expect the patch "in time". i guess that will be the case, but i'm just planning my update schedule for tomorrow and wanted to be sure ;) |
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| 11:51.25 | jabb | nothing, for me it can be kind of a pain to compile everything i need by hand and manually install packages because said tools work on the platforms i want, but the older version in debian does not |
| 11:51.54 | jabb | all the while, not excluding a gigantic portion of my audience because they're running something just as new |
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| 11:55.43 | jafeha | shingouz: as amazon and rackspace were rebooting lots of their cloud appliances because of this bug it's an interesting point to know if there are updates "in time" :) |
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| 11:57.48 | jabb | backports does not have the version of clang i'd like :P |
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| 11:58.07 | jabb | i'll go to testing, then sid, if it b0rks, i'll just reinstall |
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| 11:59.40 | abrotman | jafeha: which patch? there are multiple |
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| 12:11.29 | jafeha | abrotman: i haven't seen neither the advisory nor the patch(es) for xsa-108, i can only hope that it is an easy patch. |
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| 12:12.24 | abrotman | xsa? |
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| 12:12.55 | daemonkeeper | xen security announcement. |
| 12:13.11 | daemonkeeper | aka "why did Amazon just reboot the whole EC2 cloud" |
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| 12:13.53 | daemonkeeper | It's quarantined currently what xsa-108 is about. My guess: some domu breakout. |
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| 12:15.49 | phaidros | ChrisH: I have a fs mounted on /. lets say it is 10G, OS uses 5G. now I create an image file (dd dev/zero->file) size 2GB. df shows 7GB used. now I create a PV for LVM on that image file, suddenly df says 5GB again. So I wonder why df is not showing the 2GB image file, as soon as it is a PV for LVM. |
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| 12:16.08 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: Pretty sure that was already confirmed? |
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| 12:16.59 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Details are embargoed. I don't know if our security team knows more. |
| 12:17.13 | abrotman | must be reading the news from tomorrow |
| 12:17.29 | daemonkeeper | The embargo is supposed to be lifted today imo |
| 12:17.35 | daemonkeeper | I do not know if it already happened. |
| 12:17.48 | daemonkeeper | According to http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/ it did not |
| 12:18.26 | ChrisH | phaidros: why should df show a file? |
| 12:19.20 | phaidros | ChrisH: df shows the usage of the fs. before creating an pv on a file it includes the file, after it doesn't. (as in the amount of the size the file has, not the file itself) |
| 12:20.08 | phaidros | ChrisH: result is, when using image files for lvm, df is useless for showing how much space is still free in that fs |
| 12:20.45 | ChrisH | phaidros: once more, show it on paste.debian.net please. all steps in one paste including some comments |
| 12:20.47 | phaidros | ChrisH: because it only shows 'regular' files, or whatever the criteria are that image files used for LVM are not added to the used space |
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| 12:21.34 | Tehenhauin | sul |
| 12:21.40 | Tehenhauin | sup* |
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| 12:22.31 | Tehenhauin | anyone alive in this room? |
| 12:22.37 | shingouz | no |
| 12:22.49 | Tehenhauin | i knew it |
| 12:23.12 | Tehenhauin | question |
| 12:23.21 | Tehenhauin | vuze or deluge? |
| 12:23.29 | abrotman | !polls |
| 12:23.30 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 12:23.47 | Phyliares | Tehenhauin: question: why #debian |
| 12:23.52 | jabb | the poll police |
| 12:24.03 | Tehenhauin | on a Debian server btw |
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| 12:24.17 | phaidros | server? deluge? gtk? hmmm |
| 12:24.35 | Tehenhauin | deluge webui |
| 12:24.39 | Phyliares | headless? |
| 12:24.50 | Tehenhauin | yes |
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| 12:25.06 | jelly | Tehenhauin: do you have java installed for something else already? |
| 12:25.20 | Tehenhauin | i think nog |
| 12:25.28 | Phyliares | Tehenhauin: transmission |
| 12:25.31 | jelly | then try deluge frist |
| 12:25.34 | ChrisH | phaidros: man df will explain its for _mounted_ filesystems! Without more details (show it) you cannot expect more specific answers |
| 12:25.51 | Tehenhauin | transmission is what i used first |
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| 12:26.00 | Tehenhauin | now im trying deluge |
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| 12:26.49 | Tehenhauin | problem : my deluge daemon crashes on random moments |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | Use another daemon to ensure it's running |
| 12:27.43 | Tehenhauin | i could do that |
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| 12:28.09 | Tehenhauin | but i'm thinking about trying out vuze |
| 12:28.19 | phaidros | ChrisH: yeah. thanks anyways. I cannot reproduce the setup now. As I moved it to temporary productive state for other tests :/ |
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| 12:28.31 | jelly | vuze package is horribly outdated |
| 12:28.34 | Phyliares | Tehenhauin: /j #deluge ? |
| 12:28.56 | Tehenhauin | i dont even know what that commando does :/ |
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| 12:29.14 | RockyRoad | Hello there ... I'm in trouble now: I wanted to remove nepomuk and "semantic" stuff, and it removed nearly all kde (my chosen installed DE) !!! |
| 12:29.28 | Phyliares | there's a channel dedicated to deluge bittorent client |
| 12:29.32 | jelly | dpkg, tell RockyRoad about install kde |
| 12:29.45 | Tehenhauin | rockyroad |
| 12:29.48 | RockyRoad | http://paste.debian.net/123778/ |
| 12:29.55 | Tehenhauin | install KDE through ssh |
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| 12:30.45 | abrotman | Tehenhauin: that won't help .. |
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| 12:31.47 | RockyRoad | yes, that what I did: "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install" |
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| 12:32.05 | RockyRoad | yesterday ... |
| 12:32.58 | Tehenhauin | rockyroad |
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| 12:33.35 | Tehenhauin | do u have FTP or smb installed? |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | Tehenhauin: wtf .. come on .. knock it off |
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| 12:34.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell akar about root |
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| 12:34.52 | jelly | RockyRoad: well, you can do the aptitude way now. |
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| 12:35.06 | RockyRoad | I was trying Ctrl-C to interrupt uninstallation, was doing nothing ... Ctrl-Z was able to stop it, but big damage has been done already I'm afraid |
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| 12:35.23 | jelly | RockyRoad: just aptitude install kde-standard |
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| 12:35.35 | RockyRoad | jelly, ok, I'll do that |
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| 12:36.05 | abrotman | ctrl-z isn't really .. stopping it |
| 12:37.14 | jelly | that SIGINT ignore handler is probably doing more damage than good |
| 12:38.25 | MeanEYE | Hey guys, what's with gnome-mines causing problems with icons? |
| 12:38.26 | RockyRoad | 0 packages upgraded, 76 newly installed, 87 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:39.17 | RockyRoad | http://paste.debian.net/123782/ |
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| 12:40.15 | RockyRoad | abrotman, jelly, I killed it after with -9 |
| 12:40.17 | amundsen | hi |
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| 12:40.59 | abrotman | that sounds horrible .. |
| 12:41.07 | abrotman | MeanEYE: there's a BTS, start there |
| 12:41.18 | jelly | RockyRoad: hmm. What if you install task-kde-desktop instead? |
| 12:41.23 | amundsen | does anybody know why kde hasn't been even considered in the default desktop switch? |
| 12:41.45 | MeanEYE | abrotman, I found a bug report. Damn it. Okay thanks. |
| 12:41.51 | themill | amundsen: it has |
| 12:41.55 | MeanEYE | Does Debian come with "gnome" package preinstalled? |
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| 12:42.35 | amundsen | themill: is says nothing in here -> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/debian-switches-back-to-gnome-from-xfce.html |
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| 12:42.37 | jelly | MeanEYE: yes, if you pick installation of the desktop environment |
| 12:42.37 | RockyRoad | abrotman: horrible ... probably ... panic is not good consellor ! |
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| 12:42.50 | MeanEYE | jelly, Okay, since I didn't have it installed. :) |
| 12:42.57 | themill | amundsen: because lazy journalists are lazy? |
| 12:43.05 | MeanEYE | Probably because I removed gnome-games as I don't need them. |
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| 12:43.54 | amundsen | themill: could please help me finding aditional info about that? :/ |
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| 12:45.00 | themill | amundsen: it's linked to from that article: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie |
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| 12:51.06 | RockyRoad | jelly: kde-standard has just finished installing. I must mention that (yet under panic) i had run apt-get install shared-desktop-ontologies after the killing ... and was surprised it was not reinstalling much ! http://paste.debian.net/123783/ |
| 12:51.26 | meaneye | Is there a way to uninstall gnome-games and keep gnome meta package? |
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| 12:51.49 | rgr | amundsen: because its a huge hairy inconsistent mess? Its one config/install away so why bother? All the default docs would need rewriting/replacing. |
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| 12:52.51 | abrotman | meaneye: not the metapackage, but you can keep gnome .. what's wrong with keeping hte games? |
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| 12:54.00 | meaneye | Right now, I can't upgrade the remaining packages because mines conflicts with existing file. |
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| 12:54.43 | abrotman | meaneye: that's a better question |
| 12:54.43 | amundsen | rgr: ok. i'm not defending a particular option. it was just i read an incomplete article, and thought there was an anti-kde lobby in debian or something like that |
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| 12:54.52 | abrotman | meaneye: pastebin the error, paste.debian.net |
| 12:55.09 | meaneye | Bug has been reported and fixed. |
| 12:55.26 | meaneye | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763307 |
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| 12:56.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell meaneye about overwrite |
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| 12:56.35 | Guest32011 | what are the advantages or differences of compiling or just running a program |
| 12:56.37 | meaneye | Ooh, nice. |
| 12:56.45 | meaneye | Thanks abrotman |
| 12:57.32 | abrotman | Guest32011: you can't just run a program that needs to be compiled. I think you mean, the difference between compiling and pre-built packages ? |
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| 12:59.57 | Guest32011 | abrotman: yea ok than that |
| 13:00.39 | abrotman | Guest32011: for most people, there is nothing to gain from compling your own system binaries. have a nice day |
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| 13:01.00 | StephenS | is here weezy? |
| 13:01.21 | Guest32011 | abrotman: pff |
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| 13:03.03 | abrotman | Guest32011: Okay, then test it yourself, let us know |
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| 13:06.38 | RockyRoad | re, network went down (I'm talking from the same computer), here am I back again. task-destop is installing plenty more packages. |
| 13:08.38 | RockyRoad | Finished. What will be the best way to remove these "semantic" stuff ? |
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| 13:09.42 | synmuffin | greetings all |
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| 13:11.28 | synmuffin | so i have a question, on my server i have 2x 1gb nics and i would like to have one for tx and one for rx, i assumed this was done though nic bonding but can't find the bond mode for that? am i way off in thinking this? |
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| 13:12.24 | abrotman | synmuffin: I'm not sure you can do that, plus, seems like a bad idea. What if one breaks? |
| 13:12.33 | RockyRoad | kde-runtime : Depends: shared-desktop-ontologies (>= 0.8) but it is not going to be installed. |
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| 13:13.35 | synmuffin | then i put in another |
| 13:13.48 | synmuffin | its not a mission critial server |
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| 13:16.36 | synmuffin | ok so is one bonding mobe favored over the other for speed? |
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| 13:17.02 | jelly | RockyRoad: instead of remiving it, just avoid using it (disable relevant KDE services) |
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| 13:19.00 | RockyRoad | jelly, thanks for answering, but ... is this compatible with supposed debian philosophy ? |
| 13:19.06 | RockyRoad | http://www.freetechie.com/blog/disable-nepomuk-desktop-search-on-kde-4-4-2-kubuntu-lucid-10-04/ |
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| 13:20.00 | RockyRoad | I would rather consider this story as a serious bug |
| 13:20.17 | flipperthedolphi | Anyone up for a dumb question? |
| 13:20.25 | jelly | flipperthedolphi: just ask it |
| 13:20.48 | Tehenhauin | ask away |
| 13:20.55 | flipperthedolphi | What is the difference between a kernel version number and a revision number? |
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| 13:21.16 | flipperthedolphi | e.g 3.2.0-4 vs 3.2.57 |
| 13:21.23 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 13:21.24 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 13:22.10 | flipperthedolphi | ah ok thanks |
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| 13:53.29 | StucKman | I have a program which I rin under ltrace and for some reason only functions from some libraries show up. In particular, not from the library I'm interested in, even if I provide it with the -i option. if I instead use gdb, I can set a breakpoint in one of this lib's functions and see the code reach it, all these in the same circumstances (same parameters, etc). does anybody have a hint about this problem? |
| 13:54.14 | StucKman | or maybe know if any of the authors (Juan Cespedes, Petr Machata) can be found in one of the endless IRC channels? :) |
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| 13:54.32 | StucKman | (ltrace's authors) |
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| 14:07.07 | TuxBrother | If I have a UnixListenSocket at /var/chroot/dev/log, how do I redirect the input to it to /var/log/blah.log? |
| 14:07.15 | TuxBrother | Within rsyslog, the only possibility is to create a socket, not where the input is directed |
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| 14:09.19 | VladolfPutler | hi, my sid system is unbootable after a massive upgrade |
| 14:09.36 | VladolfPutler | I'm in the initramfs and it complains "waiting for /usr device" |
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| 14:09.44 | VladolfPutler | but I should be able to boot further than this without /usr? |
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| 14:18.49 | ChrisH | practial usage question: how to I find all Bugs reported regarding module brcmsmac for the recent kernel? |
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| 14:20.44 | ChrisH | bugs.debian.org did not show me the expected output... it showed me nothing |
| 14:21.08 | metala | maybe changelog grep brcmsmac ? |
| 14:21.24 | metala | oh sorry that's for fixed issues |
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| 14:23.21 | metala | ChrisH: alternatively you can use google to search through bugs.debian.org if the search itself in bug.debian.org failed |
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| 14:26.59 | r3n1c0n | hi |
| 14:27.06 | ChrisH | It looks we just nailed down our WLAN issue to, WLAN is not seen by iwlist IF scan if channel is set to 12 which is a legal one in DE |
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| 14:33.17 | nejucomo | I want to make a debian source package for my own deployment management, and I want to put a ./debian directory inside my source code repository… Can anyone remind me of how to do this? |
| 14:33.24 | rgr | are you sure its not just a hidden AP? |
| 14:33.29 | r3n1c0n | my network printer gives a error: Unkown IPP tag |
| 14:33.44 | r3n1c0n | it has worked b4. now it stopped suddenly |
| 14:33.55 | r3n1c0n | also not printing. Reinstalled Cups and Python |
| 14:33.57 | nejucomo | All of the manuals and tutorials I've seen for source packages assume a well-named tarball, but I have only a source directory. |
| 14:33.58 | r3n1c0n | that dint work |
| 14:34.05 | nejucomo | I've seen this done previously... |
| 14:34.09 | rgr | nejucomo: quite a list. Surely you can find that out. |
| 14:34.49 | nejucomo | rgr: A list? I don't understand. |
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| 14:34.57 | ChrisH | rgr: yes. we moved the Channel from 12 to 5 and now its visible. |
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| 14:35.59 | rgr | nejucomo: my point was its not a on eline answer. And since you've done it before I would have thought the process easily accessible in the docs. Sorry if not. |
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| 14:37.16 | nejucomo | Well, I just read https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging#Step_4:_Build_the_package and I skimmed https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging which links to about 5 or 6 tutorials or howtos which seem like they *might* describe this... |
| 14:37.16 | Sevet | nejucomo: shouldn't need the tarball for a binary-only build |
| 14:37.46 | Sevet | might get some warnings, but you should still get the .deb built |
| 14:38.05 | nejucomo | Sevet: Ok. When I run debuild -us -uc it exist saying quilt cannot find an upstream tarball. |
| 14:38.08 | Blok | I got a nic that must be run in a pcie gen 1 mode. My motherboard offers no bios option to change mode and runs gen 2. I am cooked? |
| 14:38.14 | nejucomo | s/exist/exits/ |
| 14:38.15 | Sevet | that's not binary only |
| 14:38.15 | Sevet | -b |
| 14:38.29 | nejucomo | Ah, thanks. |
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| 14:39.12 | Mountain_r | Hi Guys, I am trying to delete a large file but I got a message: Clean up the trash manually. Well I don't see any option to delete the file directly and the trash is empty. What should I do? Thanks |
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| 14:40.49 | mtn | Mountain_r: paste the entire command and error to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. |
| 14:41.08 | Mountain_r | ok |
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| 14:41.39 | Mountain_r | The trash has reached its maximum size! |
| 14:41.39 | Mountain_r | Cleanup the trash manually. |
| 14:41.46 | Mountain_r | that's it |
| 14:42.19 | mtn | Mountain_r: either a paste of the text or a screenshot, please. don't paste here in the channel! |
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| 14:43.14 | Mountain_r | ok I have pasted because is very small the message |
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| 14:44.27 | crecca | how to enable switching tty with alt+arrow in Xorg? |
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| 14:44.50 | knosys | hi debian |
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| 14:45.58 | Mountain_r | http://paste.debian.net/123814/ |
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| 14:46.08 | Mountain_r | pasted |
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| 14:47.04 | mtn | Mountain_r: did you right click the trash folder in Dolphin and click Empty Trash? |
| 14:47.41 | Mountain_r | it is empty, yes |
| 14:48.00 | mtn | Mountain_r: not what I asked. did you do what I just asked? |
| 14:48.14 | Mountain_r | yes |
| 14:48.33 | mtn | Mountain_r: ok, and then tried to delete the file again? |
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| 14:49.06 | Mountain_r | yes, I always get the same error message |
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| 14:49.44 | mtn | Mountain_r: have you tried deleting the file using the command line? open a terminal and type: rm filename while you are in the correct directory |
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| 14:50.21 | Mountain_r | it is a folder with 3 files inside |
| 14:50.44 | Mountain_r | let me try... |
| 14:51.11 | mtn | Mountain_r: you can use -r, but be very careful. or you can do each file by itself. |
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| 14:52.21 | Mountain_r | can u be more precise please? I am a newby. I will open the terminal, then i just must write rm NAMEFILE -r? |
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| 14:52.59 | Halma | hi |
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| 14:53.19 | mtn | Mountain_r: it would be rm -r filename. you change directories using the cd command |
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| 14:53.42 | mtn | Mountain_r: you can read the man pages by using the man command: man rm and man cd |
| 14:53.58 | Mountain_r | i am trying... |
| 14:54.06 | Halma | if i do a git clone url.git and go into the sourcecode folder, how can i see the name of the program/code ? |
| 14:54.35 | mtn | Mountain_r: sorry, it would be rm -r folder name, not file name |
| 14:54.45 | Mountain_r | ok |
| 14:54.46 | mtn | Mountain_r: if deleting a file, it would just be rm filename |
| 14:54.49 | Halma | or use "rmdir" |
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| 14:54.58 | StucKman | the answer to my question was: a) have a recent ltrace, b) ltrace -e@ ... |
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| 15:01.28 | Mountain_r | i cant delete it |
| 15:01.35 | Mountain_r | how come |
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| 15:02.04 | mtn | Mountain_r: error? |
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| 15:02.32 | Mountain_r | lots of error it not even recognize the file to delete |
| 15:02.53 | mtn | Mountain_r: again, paste the entire command and error to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:03.32 | mtn | Mountain_r: details matter! |
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| 15:05.10 | tharkun | themill: Australian office is shutting down. Sorry for raising expectations. |
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| 15:07.48 | Mountain_r | yes. can you give me the correct command to writre in the terminal? this is the folder to delete: http://paste.debian.net/123821/ |
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| 15:09.53 | SynrGy | Mountain_r: blanks in filepaths must be quoted. if you use tab-completion when you specify the folder path, it will work. |
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| 15:10.40 | SynrGy | e.g. try rm -r Dja<tab> |
| 15:10.58 | SynrGy | if that's not unique enough (i.e. the path doesn't complete when you press the <tab> key) then press tab again |
| 15:11.32 | SynrGy | then type additional characters and <tab> again to finally complete it |
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| 15:13.29 | Mountain_r | dowatnt work |
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| 15:13.36 | Mountain_r | doesnt work |
| 15:13.36 | jhutchins | Got a request to rename a linux account. I don't think this is good practice, but I don't see any references that say so. I do note that none of the "howto" results I got renames the mail spool. |
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| 15:14.04 | SynrGy | Mountain_r: without an explanation of what "doesn't work" means, we can't help. |
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| 15:14.42 | SynrGy | Mountain_r: tab-completion doesn't work? |
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| 15:15.20 | SynrGy | Unless you exactly say what's going on, we are reduced to mind-reading ... most of us have very poor mind-reading skills |
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| 15:15.22 | Frogging101-chan | Why did rubygems install a bunch of gem executables in /usr/local/bin with 750 permissions? |
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| 15:15.44 | Frogging101-chan | I can't execute them as non-root, which doesn't seem right. |
| 15:15.47 | Mountain_r | if i write rm -r djan and i click tab, nothing happen |
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| 15:16.01 | SynrGy | Mountain_r: you didn't type what I told you to |
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| 15:16.29 | SynrGy | Mountain_r: assuming you are currently in /home/carlo/Downloads ... (are you?) |
| 15:16.40 | SynrGy | if not, let's start there: |
| 15:16.44 | SynrGy | cd ~/Downloads |
| 15:16.52 | SynrGy | rm -r Djan<tab> |
| 15:16.58 | SynrGy | (note, filename case matters!) |
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| 15:19.32 | anddam | how should I check if a media is present into the cdrom driver? The system is a Wheezy running in VirtualBox, the media is inserted but dmesg doesn't show anything about it |
| 15:19.37 | ChrisH | ls Djan* |
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| 15:19.47 | Mountain_r | SynrGy, seems that now is ok. after clicked the tab button a couple of times and then the enter buttton it is disappeared |
| 15:19.59 | Mountain_r | the folder and the files in it |
| 15:20.52 | Mountain_r | ok thanks! |
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| 15:21.22 | Mountain_r | thanks guys |
| 15:21.28 | mtn | anddam: I think you have to tell VB to mount it |
| 15:22.17 | anddam | mtn: I did, but I was looking dmesg|tail to check it |
| 15:22.33 | anddam | actually the cdrom device is /dev/sr0 and I can mount it just fine, I only expected to see that in dmesg |
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| 15:30.39 | anddam | IIRC this info was present in dmesg output |
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| 15:40.16 | PryMar56 | anyone use abraca for streaming internet radio via xmms2? does abraca show the song info: title, artist, etc? |
| 15:40.32 | PryMar56 | mine does not |
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| 15:43.53 | lmat | I'm trying to print a document, but I didn't have the lpr command. |
| 15:44.09 | lmat | apt-get install cups; said "cups at latest version". |
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| 15:44.17 | lmat | I read that cups comes with lp and lpr...where are they? |
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| 15:47.02 | cwarner | is there any justification for not having unattended-upgrades have a whitelist option for packages? Meaning only update the packages in the whitelist? |
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| 15:47.40 | lmat | cwarner: I would think the justification is "it's not necessary". Why would you want a whitelist? |
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| 15:48.20 | cwarner | lmat: I'm under a regulatory environment.. I can only change certain things based on the perceived threat.. the latest example.. bashbug |
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| 15:48.39 | lmat | cwarner: That's important information :) |
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| 15:49.14 | cwarner | lmat: so i want to use unattended-upgrades to only update bash when canonical in this case kicks out an updated package.. |
| 15:49.27 | lmat | cwarner: depending on the level of your constraints, perhaps you should be compiling your own tools. This way, you *only* get the updates you want? |
| 15:49.38 | lmat | cwarner: Do you want all updates to bash? |
| 15:49.51 | cwarner | lmat: yeah I thought about that as well but this company doesn't have the bandwidth for specific tooling like that |
| 15:50.13 | cwarner | yeah I just want to update bash.. I can orchestrate it but that seems silly considering unattended-upgrades is designed just for this |
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| 15:50.19 | lmat | cwarner: ah. Then a whitelist sounds like the right way to go if you don't want every update to gcc, csh, and everything else. |
| 15:50.27 | cwarner | it's like writing unattended-upgrades just for bash when I can just patch it.. |
| 15:50.55 | lmat | cwarner: It's different. unattended-upgrades will use every upgrade, not just bashbug or whatever. |
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| 15:51.08 | lmat | cwarner: It seems silly to want every update to bash and no updates for ... irssi ^_^ |
| 15:51.21 | cwarner | right which is why i think we need a whitelist feature for unattended-upgrades :) |
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| 15:51.28 | lmat | cwarner: If the goal is to minimize change and improve stability, etc.... |
| 15:51.30 | lmat | cwarner: Now we're talkin |
| 15:51.46 | lmat | cwarner: Oh, I took your statement to mean that you want to whitelist the features you want upgraded ^_^ |
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| 15:52.02 | cwarner | I just don't want to write it and then have to maintain it just for this place.. then I gotta setup a repo and all that just to pull it and keep track of it |
| 15:52.39 | lmat | seriously... that's some overhead. |
| 15:53.04 | lmat | Or you can explain your recommendation, put an appropriate price on it, then say "Or we could do this..." :) |
| 15:53.12 | cwarner | ok i'm going to try and see if I can get the room to write the patch and push upstream.. I took a look and it doesn't seem like it'd be too complicated |
| 15:53.28 | lmat | cwarner: Sorry, which room? #debian channel? |
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| 15:53.58 | cwarner | no I mean.. if I can get the space :) as in.. time wise to write the patch |
| 15:54.08 | lmat | cwarner: yup |
| 15:54.13 | cwarner | i just wanted to see if there was any reason it didn't exist |
| 15:54.14 | lmat | cwarner: *That* kind of room ^_^ |
| 15:54.28 | lmat | cwarner: Don't take my word for it, but it seems reasonable to me. |
| 15:54.38 | cwarner | yeah.. ok.. thanks |
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| 15:55.11 | lmat | How do I print from the command line? |
| 15:55.27 | lmat | I Have the printer set up, and my wife can print from Gnome, but I would like to be able to print remotely. |
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| 15:56.00 | jimgnosis | lmat: have a look at lp |
| 15:56.06 | lmat | jimgnosis: Is that a package? |
| 15:56.18 | lmat | jimgnosis: Does it come with the 'cups' package? |
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| 15:57.56 | jimgnosis | lmat: i think so, it is common* |
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| 15:58.19 | lmat | jimgnosis: I thought so, too, and am baffled as to why I don't have lp or lpr. |
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| 15:58.58 | jimgnosis | lmat: i thought lp was as common as echo! |
| 15:59.17 | lmat | jimgnosis: Oh wait...I was looking for lpr, not lp |
| 15:59.28 | lmat | jimgnosis: I thought lpr was about as common as echo... |
| 15:59.40 | lmat | jimgnosis: oh great... man lp | head -n 1 |
| 15:59.48 | lmat | Apple Inc. |
| 15:59.50 | lmat | shudders |
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| 16:00.16 | lmat | I ran lp ./waterservice.pdf; it says printing |
| 16:00.18 | lmat | crosses fingers |
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| 16:01.44 | jimgnosis | lmat: pdf/ps will be especially useful for lp and try -o prettyprint for plain text. |
| 16:02.11 | jhutchins | lmat: lp is supplied as part of cups. |
| 16:02.24 | anddam | http://www.printandweb.ca/2013/05/installing-guest-additions-for.html "Debian 7.1 detects VirtualBox and includes the necessary files during installation." <-- is that the case? |
| 16:02.31 | jhutchins | lmat: THere is also a seperate lp/lpr that is supplied without cups. |
| 16:02.35 | anddam | I just installed from netinst 7.6 and it didn't detect anything |
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| 16:06.15 | c-101 | Hello there |
| 16:06.16 | lmat | anddam: it's believable! |
| 16:06.33 | lmat | jhutchins: right, lp/lpr are very old as pre-cups tools. |
| 16:06.50 | lmat | jhutchins: cups replaced them, and now provides lp (/lpr!?) which are simply cups commands now. |
| 16:07.09 | c-101 | has anyone any idea why a user i have just created does not get his group membership applied ? |
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| 16:07.20 | c-101 | (and i logged out and logged in) |
| 16:07.23 | lmat | c-101: What does "applied" mean? |
| 16:07.30 | NuxRo | hi guys, how big is the debian-cd archive? |
| 16:07.38 | c-101 | lmat means groups does not say the user belongs to a group he does |
| 16:07.44 | NuxRo | (I'm considering mirroring it) |
| 16:07.55 | c-101 | although in /etc/group it is a member |
| 16:08.09 | lmat | NuxRo: pretty big. |
| 16:08.14 | c-101 | and if i try to use addgroup user group it says it already belongs to that group |
| 16:08.20 | lmat | NuxRo: Have you considered seeding the torrents? :) |
| 16:08.35 | lmat | c0urier: interesting. |
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| 16:08.39 | lmat | oops... |
| 16:08.42 | c-101 | quite sure that if i reboot the group membership gets applied, but i would like to know from where this thing comes |
| 16:08.50 | c-101 | beleive it has something to do with systemd |
| 16:08.56 | lmat | c-101: yeah yeah... |
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| 16:09.37 | Jody23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.56 | lmat | wow... someone bopped Jody that fast!? |
| 16:09.57 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 16:10.12 | dutchfish | NuxRo, it depends what archives and architectures, at the top of my head, the whole sjebang including sources is > 140GB |
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| 16:10.31 | Pymous | I'm having IO issue, and I wish to disable JDB2 on my partition. But I wan't to try it out first, is killing jdb2 not recommanded ? :3 |
| 16:10.53 | c-101 | lmat do you have any idea ? |
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| 16:11.38 | hays | Hey, I seem to be getting a timeout on security.debian.org when running apt-get update from a netherlands location: I get: Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6) |
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| 16:11.42 | hays | been like this for a few days... anyone know anything about this? |
| 16:12.25 | jpereira | hi! in my project after the build is generated a binary in $project/bin, but when i make the package., it is stored in /usr/bin. have some way to change the destination of binary? |
| 16:12.53 | dutchfish | hays, what is your /etc/apt/sources.list | i have no problem in .nl over here |
| 16:13.16 | NuxRo | dutchfish: thanks |
| 16:13.33 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 16:13.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:13.45 | hays | dutchfish: https://bpaste.net/show/5aa953f7eb63 |
| 16:14.43 | jpereira | i've tried to set the 'pseudo copy' in $project/debian/$project.install (e.g: the content of my .install is 'bin/projectbin usr/sbin/project'... this works fine, but i stand with two copies. |
| 16:15.39 | dutchfish | hays, this is mine, rem the resolvers now pretty catch up with your locality from those url's |
| 16:15.44 | dutchfish | hays, http://paste.debian.net/123837/ |
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| 16:16.22 | dutchfish | hays, or use nl instead of de within your links, but i prefer mine |
| 16:16.54 | Pymous | Is there a way to kill jdb2 ? |
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| 16:17.20 | hays | dutchfish: yours are just .net and .org |
| 16:17.29 | dutchfish | hays, yep |
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| 16:18.29 | dutchfish | hays, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Distribution |
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| 16:19.11 | hays | dutchfish: hmm well this doesn't necessarily solve the mystery--our security lines are the same |
| 16:19.13 | dutchfish | hays, 'just' doesnt cut it, there is much more to it, why i chose those |
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| 16:19.45 | dutchfish | hays, are you behind a proxy? |
| 16:19.47 | ggggggggg | Hi.How can I share my internet with my android device,using usb? |
| 16:19.56 | hays | dutchfish: no |
| 16:21.24 | ggggggggg | How can I share my internet with my android device,using usb? |
| 16:21.33 | dutchfish | hays, can pastebin an errorlog, of an actual 'aptitude update && aptitude -s safe-upgrade' ? |
| 16:21.40 | justanotheruser | If I create a new .list file with the testing sources and install something using that list, it installs a bunch of dependencies including systemd that I assume are on the testing branch |
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| 16:21.58 | dutchfish | hays, or any error logs? |
| 16:22.04 | justanotheruser | If I create a new .list file with the testing sources and install something using that list, it installs a bunch of dependencies including systemd that I assume are on the testing branch |
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| 16:22.09 | punkgeek | i install takeoff menu but ive get this error and cant start my kde |
| 16:22.10 | justanotheruser | will installing this program (specifically qtcreator) basically put my system on the testing branch? |
| 16:22.16 | justanotheruser | because thats what it appears it will do |
| 16:22.16 | punkgeek | xession: unable to start X session --- no "home/user/.xession" file, no "home/user/.Xession" file, no session managers, no window manaher, ans no terminal emulators found; aborting. |
| 16:22.24 | punkgeek | what shoud i do? |
| 16:22.38 | justanotheruser | punkgeek: tried reinstalling xorg? |
| 16:22.47 | hays | dutchfish: i use apt-get--let me find the manpage and figure out where error logs go |
| 16:23.03 | punkgeek | i dont no, my network is going to down |
| 16:23.07 | dutchfish | hays, take your time, np |
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| 16:28.22 | hays | dutchfish: can't find log files, but interestingly changing to http.debian.net breaks my other updates |
| 16:28.35 | dutchfish | hays, ? logs? |
| 16:28.36 | hays | Connecting to http.debian.net (2a01:4f8:131:152c::42) |
| 16:28.59 | hays | <-- it sits here for a while and then resolves (probably about 2 minutes) |
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| 16:29.23 | hays | dutchfish: I have package history logs but nothing else |
| 16:29.27 | jhutchins | justanotheruser: Mixing releases can destroy your system. We recommend using backports or manually backporting the package. |
| 16:29.38 | dutchfish | hays, i am beginning to expect network problems, your router? your network config? weird |
| 16:30.23 | dutchfish | hays, have you checked your dns servers you use, as a starter? |
| 16:30.36 | justanotheruser | jhutchins: ok thanks |
| 16:31.04 | jhutchins | hays: Also might check to see if ipv6 is distracting the system. |
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| 16:32.01 | hays | jhutchins: looks like im using 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.2, and 4.2.2.4. I think there are some missing ones there (the ipv6 ones) |
| 16:32.35 | Blokker | you could always throws the correct domain in your /etc/hosts to skip dns resolving |
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| 16:35.07 | phy1729 | Blokker: that's a bad idea; what about when the IPs change? |
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| 16:35.38 | ShalokShalom | hi there, i find no plasma 5 / kde frameworks 5 packages in the online package search yet, why please ? |
| 16:36.04 | Blokker | highly unlikly phy1729, but if it does, you just have to hope you remember you once put it in your hosts ;) |
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| 16:36.22 | ShalokShalom | i hope plasma 5 will be available in jessy ? |
| 16:36.28 | Blokker | ShalokShalom, plasma5 is verry new and debian needs time to pick new stuff up |
| 16:36.33 | ShalokShalom | aha, ok |
| 16:36.34 | phy1729 | Blokker: so you have a neigh undebuggable problem later |
| 16:36.48 | Blokker | given that plasma 5 isn't even in sid yet i doubt it will make it into testing anytime soon |
| 16:36.58 | ShalokShalom | ??? |
| 16:37.08 | tonyt | can someone point me to a place to help me my wireless conection up and running/ |
| 16:37.17 | tonyt | ? |
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| 16:37.26 | Blokker | phy1729, yep :p, but it does solve the immidiate problem of slow ipv6 setup |
| 16:37.33 | ShalokShalom | its already packaged for kubuntu, i guess its easy to port these to jessy ? |
| 16:37.37 | Blokker | personally, i ignore the problem and let apt work it out |
| 16:37.38 | justanotheruser | jhutchins: deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main ? |
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| 16:37.54 | Blokker | ShalokShalom, it's not about easy, it's about procedures and maintaining quality |
| 16:38.12 | hays | dutchfish: im on shared hosting (its a vps) so my network debugging options are limited.. still it seems like they may have an issue |
| 16:38.17 | ShalokShalom | so, how to test ? |
| 16:38.18 | Blokker | debian did not become a rock solid distribution by taking the latest and greatest things and rushing them to stable |
| 16:38.38 | jhutchins | justanotheruser: Are you running squeeze or jessie? |
| 16:38.40 | ShalokShalom | how to guarantee quality, when no body can test it ? |
| 16:38.59 | ShalokShalom | Blokker: i talk about jessie |
| 16:39.07 | dutchfish | hays, furthermore, if you still want to it over ipv6 use apt-cahcer-ng, it has a option to force it over ipv6 or ipv4, that might help you maybe in this situation |
| 16:39.09 | jhutchins | tonyt: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 16:39.31 | Blokker | and phy1729, sometimes you have no choice. I've got a system that currently only has a socks proxy to connect to the internet, but those don't support UDP and hence no DNS therefore i have to put every host i want to connect to in my hosts file |
| 16:39.33 | dutchfish | hays, sorry, my typo, apt-cacher-ng* |
| 16:39.35 | justanotheruser | jhutchins: no, stable |
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| 16:39.52 | tonyt | i went into network connections and set it up there, but i dont think i have wireless drivers installed |
| 16:40.16 | phy1729 | Blokker: DNS is both UDP and TCP |
| 16:40.21 | Blokker | ShalokShalom, still doesn't matter, it needs it's time to prove it's stability in Sid before it can come to testing |
| 16:40.27 | hays | ShalokShalom: if you are testing something then you are developing the packages yourself and testing them... not sure |
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| 16:40.30 | dutchfish | hays, if the switch is not forcefully set, apt-cacher falls back either if is there is no |
| 16:40.36 | dutchfish | hays, response from ipv6 server |
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| 16:40.37 | Blokker | phy1729, most software resolves dns over udp unfortunatly |
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| 16:41.00 | ShalokShalom | hays: i mean on different hardware and settings |
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| 16:41.08 | dutchfish | hays, thats the way i configured mine in both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 16:41.09 | Blokker | and to think that last year i had a teacher that kept hammering on the fact that DNS is a TCP only protocol ... |
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| 16:41.12 | ShalokShalom | Blokker: so, when reach it sid ? |
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| 16:41.29 | dutchfish | hays, i believe apt is not that smart |
| 16:41.30 | Blokker | i haven't got the slightest idea. I hope soon, i would like to give it a go myself |
| 16:41.31 | mtn | tonyt: did you use the debian wiki for networking or wireless? |
| 16:42.04 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
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| 16:42.07 | jhutchins | !tell justanotheruser about backports |
| 16:42.17 | tonyt | looking at the wiki now |
| 16:42.40 | dutchfish | hays, but make sure, your network setup and dns resolving works, first |
| 16:42.57 | WodgeyD | jhutchins Afternoon. might this have been the cause of my freeze/hang? "------------- Important note:  if you have two ethernet ports on your clients, and are only using one of them, you must specify that port in the APPEND line.  Simply putting ip=dhcp will result in the client’s boot to hang forever waiting for a connection to the unused ethernet port." |
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| 16:44.57 | justanotheruser | jhutchins: what is wrong with what I said? |
| 16:44.59 | justanotheruser | "To guarantee a clean upload path from squeeze-backports to wheezy it is not allowed to upload backports from jessie to squeeze-backports. To allow new backports also in squeeze we created a new suite for everybody that prefer newer packages above a clean upgrade path: squeeze-backports-sloppy. You can use it exactly as squeeze-backports, just add another line to your sources.list and install new packages via apt-get -t ... |
| 16:45.05 | justanotheruser | ... squeeze-backports-sloppy install " |
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| 16:48.15 | WodgeyD | jhutchins I installed squeeze and then the kestrel packages but have since realised that the application I want to run, isn;t supported before Wheezy. I'm looking for a diskless cluster that can combine power to a gui application (dcp-o-matic) for video encoding. Am I going down the right route, do you think or am I wasting time? Might I acchieve the same results by an easier method? |
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| 16:50.49 | anddam | how do I use virtualbox-guest-dkms? Its /usr/share/doc has no info about that |
| 16:50.54 | hays | dutchfish: hmm i didn't totally follow you there, but i am guessing that it is eventually falling back to ipv4--its first attempts at ipv6 just aren't working |
| 16:51.41 | dutchfish | hays, you have to check that, i dont believe apt has a fallback mechanism for that |
| 16:51.58 | dutchfish | hays, but others can complement me on that |
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| 16:52.18 | dutchfish | hays, apt-cacher-ng has btw |
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| 16:53.15 | jhutchins | WodgeyD: You can upgrade the existing installtion to wheezy pretty easily, I'd go ahead and do that. It's best to run current stable if you can rather than oldstable. |
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| 16:53.49 | hays | dutchfish: I just rebooted and the problem seems to have gone away. :P heh |
| 16:53.58 | hays | weird. |
| 16:54.04 | dutchfish | hays, dugh, weird indeed |
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| 16:54.19 | jhutchins | WodgeyD: For a single purpose system it's OK to have the core software outside of the standard package system, either backported from source or installed directly, just so long as you maintain it. |
| 16:54.37 | jhutchins | WodgeyD: That may not be necessary though, you may find the versions in stable to be perfectly adequate. |
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| 16:55.11 | dutchfish | hays, if in doubt, use debsums to check the sanity of your installed packages |
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| 16:55.58 | dutchfish | hays, the same for your configs |
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| 16:58.16 | hays | nice tool. seems things check out |
| 16:58.49 | hays | dutchfish: its possible my provider reconfigured something requiring a reboot and didn't tell me. its a $1.99/month VPS. can't really expect too much :) |
| 16:59.01 | WodgeyD | jhutchins apols. I am not sure how much info you were given before I joined the channel. I think my friend said that you'd built your own diskless cluster? I have been swearing at the machine for a few hours now. The list of dependancies needed is quite huge and I'll need to compile a lot of the dependancies from source. I am an experienced amatuer with *nix. I've installed a few machines in |
| 16:59.01 | WodgeyD | my time but this is the most complex project I have undertaken so far. FYI I din't completely understand "For a single purpose system it's OK to have the core software outside of the standard package system, either backported from source or installed directly, just so long as you maintain it." |
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| 17:00.31 | dutchfish | jelly, nothing wrong, but since i backport stuff if needed already, its not that needed for me, i rather tend to upgrade stuff if possible or use lts |
| 17:01.01 | justanotheruser | Why exactly do I use deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-backports-sloppy main instead of just squeeze-backports |
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| 17:03.35 | WodgeyD | jhutchins FYI once this machine is setup and configured, it is being shipped to SriLanka. The intended users will have no experience of *nix so all/any maintainence will be performed remotely. (I am in UK). The reason for the cluster is due to the users of this application only a limited transcoding speed, on a single Intel i7 machine with 16GB RAM. This cluster is comprising of 4 * i5with 16GB |
| 17:03.36 | WodgeyD | each (1 master 3 nodes) |
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| 17:04.16 | udevd | why NetworkManager (on debian wheezy) keeps forgetting my WiFi password? |
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| 17:05.42 | udevd | i tried many things linked on first page of search for "networkmanager forgets password" and none actually helped |
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| 17:20.08 | JohnnyL | hi |
| 17:20.18 | JohnnyL | Any suggestions for safe browsing in Debian? |
| 17:20.26 | JohnnyL | a far as browsers go? |
| 17:21.07 | mtn | JohnnyL: what does "safe" mean to you? |
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| 17:21.55 | JohnnyL | mtn: no backdoors, exploits, buffer overflows, local net hacking, etc. the full 9. |
| 17:22.11 | JohnnyL | lynx |
| 17:22.15 | mtn | JohnnyL: all software has bugs |
| 17:22.25 | JohnnyL | i know, but I want to setup a browser for my family. |
| 17:23.03 | JohnnyL | i am wondering if setting up a dvd makes sense. sucks that my internel dvd is broken. |
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| 17:23.33 | mtn | JohnnyL: what is wrong with using iceweasel or chromium? |
| 17:23.52 | teraflops | hah looking at the firefox cve list ... it is a very long list |
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| 17:24.13 | JohnnyL | mtn:iceweasel? nothing i guess. chromium is designed under a for profit motive. |
| 17:24.38 | mtn | JohnnyL: oh no! not profit! |
| 17:24.54 | JohnnyL | mtn: yeah the things war relies on. |
| 17:25.12 | mtn | snort |
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| 17:25.39 | JohnnyL | mtn: yeah i hear ya. just work to check. |
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| 17:28.43 | l0x | ow to: losetup image.dd on DIRECTORY ??? |
| 17:29.38 | l0x | image.dd is ntfs partition 500GB, with 1024 Sectorlength. Want to mount on maybe /dev/loop2. To do chkdsk / error checking |
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| 17:30.10 | l0x | Could someone please assist? Thanks (tried -offset. Get error : "/dev/loop2 is a directory" |
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| 17:36.18 | jhutchins | l0x: If it's a partition you don't need to mount it with loopback, just mount it. |
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| 17:36.41 | jhutchins | Ok, it's an IMAGE of a partition. |
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| 17:39.12 | jhutchins | l0x: mount -o loop,offset=32256 \ |
| 17:39.16 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.35 | jhutchins | Leave out the offset, that's for a partition within a whole disk image. |
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| 17:40.25 | jhutchins | l0x: So that's mount -o loop -t ntfs image.dd /mnt |
| 17:40.39 | jhutchins | l0x: Or ntfs-3g if you need rw. |
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| 17:41.05 | lmat | oh, cute...I'm scanning an image, and my software says, "rounded value of br-x from 60 to 59.9945". One of us doesn't know what "round (verb)" means... |
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| 17:41.53 | tay | i was able to symlink to samba shares on my webserver (apache owncloud) in the past, now symlinking to samba folders does not work anymore, any ideas? |
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| 17:41.54 | udevd | lmat: one of you :P? |
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| 17:44.26 | krasimir | hi all , anyone used TPM with debian ? I need to know if I can setup LUKS together with TPM . I want to make sure that data on the HDD is readable only if booted from this machine and not attached as a slave to another machine. |
| 17:45.34 | TuxBrother | I want logrotate to store the rotated files in a subdirectory |
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| 17:47.33 | krasimir | . |
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| 17:49.12 | l0x | okty Jhutchins. It returned no error&&based on HD LED activity/sound, it tried the mount of image.dd |
| 17:49.21 | l0x | but "Error when getting information for file '/dev/loop2/Steamlinux': Input/output error." |
| 17:50.01 | l0x | this image was created to file by Testdisk |
| 17:50.24 | l0x | I did : mount -o loop -t ntfs image.dd /dev/loop2 |
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| 17:50.59 | Senji | what file system should I use for an SSD? |
| 17:51.16 | l0x | Senji: depends on the usage/application |
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| 17:51.30 | TuxBrother | l0x: I want logrotate to store the rotated files in a subdirectory. Any ideas? |
| 17:51.48 | l0x | Will this be a server. home/desktop PC? Might you be dealing with more small files / large files |
| 17:52.07 | Senji | home/desktop |
| 17:52.17 | Senji | a mix of small and large |
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| 17:53.16 | l0x | IF you're using linux. I'd say EXT3 for home/desktop. If you're doing things that are more intensive with raw I/O. Consider ext2 / XFS |
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| 17:54.52 | l0x | TuxBrother. see here: http://tinyurl.com/njru4zr |
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| 17:55.35 | TuxBrother | l0x: Not what I mean. |
| 17:55.42 | l0x | (ok, I wondered) |
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| 17:55.58 | l0x | you want to store output in set dir? |
| 17:56.00 | TuxBrother | l0x: I want /var/log/syslog > /var/log/syslog/syslog.1.gz |
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| 17:56.33 | l0x | crap - erm. Good question |
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| 17:56.43 | l0x | unfort - I have to run now. I will note that |
| 17:56.51 | l0x | guess if you're on later - I'll PM what I find |
| 17:56.54 | jelly | TuxBrother: why not set up a post-rotate command to move the file |
| 17:56.54 | l0x | peace |
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| 17:57.35 | TuxBrother | jelly: I was thinking about that, but my coding skills are still too limited |
| 17:57.51 | jelly | coding? |
| 17:58.15 | jelly | it's one command and two config lines in the right place |
| 17:58.20 | TuxBrother | Hmm |
| 17:58.30 | TuxBrother | Do you have an example? |
| 17:58.44 | TuxBrother | I was thinking about calling a script doing a while loop |
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| 18:00.53 | hest | hello. |
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| 18:01.23 | jelly | TuxBrother: I don't have an example. Add something like a postrotate \n \t mv /var/log/syslog.1.gz /var/log/syslog/syslog.$(date -I).gz into the logrotate config file that deals with that file, and do not be afraid to experiment and read man pages |
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| 18:02.19 | jelly | TuxBrother: you might even configure your syslog daemon to put the file into the subdirectory by default if that's what you like |
| 18:03.02 | hest | i have a usb keyboard that, when i plug it into my netbook running debian wheezy and xfce4, after a few seconds causes xfce4 to pop up the 'Log out' dialog window where i can choose between logging out, restarting, shutting down, suspending or hibernating. even if i cancel the dialog the computer will still suspend. if i unplug the keyboard and wake up the computer it works normally. |
| 18:03.04 | TuxBrother | jelly: No. Unfortunately, that only deals with the first logrotate file, not .2 .3 .4. Sure, I might add it, but there are better ways to do it |
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| 18:03.45 | TuxBrother | jelly: My scripting skills are weak, but I'll try something |
| 18:03.47 | jelly | TuxBrother: logrotate is dumb, it won't even see other files if they're moved away |
| 18:04.02 | hest | any idea what this could be? the paranoiac in me starts rambling about usb firmware viruses, but could a more mundane answer be that the keyboard is short-circuited somehow so that it draws more power from the usb port than the bus can handle, and the os senses this and tries to shut down to protect the hardware? |
| 18:04.20 | hest | this keyboard has similar problems on a windows machine (that was why i tested plugging it into my laptop). |
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| 18:06.49 | TuxBrother | jelly: Does logrotate have some kind of variable? |
| 18:06.57 | TuxBrother | jelly: like $logname? |
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| 18:07.08 | jelly | TuxBrother: not that I know of |
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| 18:08.04 | jelly | TuxBrother: if it's just for syslog-generated files, you can configure syslog to cycle files automatically and perhaps name them with dates instead of rotating numbers |
| 18:08.26 | jelly | rsyslog is rather powerful |
| 18:08.29 | TuxBrother | jelly: Unfortunately, this goes for *all* files within /var/log |
| 18:08.37 | TuxBrother | jelly: I use syslog-ng |
| 18:08.46 | jelly | TuxBrother: syslog-ng can do that as well. |
| 18:08.55 | TuxBrother | Hmm |
| 18:08.58 | jelly | in fact it could do that before rsyslog existed. |
| 18:09.07 | TuxBrother | jelly: how? |
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| 18:09.38 | jelly | TuxBrother: I don't use it, and I'd have to RTFM instead of you, sorry |
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| 18:10.33 | TuxBrother | jelly: I have no clue, sorry |
| 18:11.23 | jelly | TuxBrother: me neither, so google for relevant kewords or read the documentation |
| 18:11.39 | TuxBrother | jelly: Been there, done that |
| 18:11.51 | jelly | syslog-ng filename format date wasn't helpful? |
| 18:11.55 | TuxBrother | That's why I ask it her |
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| 18:13.12 | jelly | TuxBrother: how come you chose syslog-ng if you don't use the advanced features btw? |
| 18:14.00 | TuxBrother | jelly: To properly handle the logs coming from chroot-jails and redirect them to right locations |
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| 18:14.43 | TuxBrother | jelly: rsyslog doesn't let a unix-socket input log to a file |
| 18:14.44 | jelly | ah. rsyslog has support for multiple socket paths as well |
| 18:15.05 | TuxBrother | jelly: In fact, it gets appended to syslog |
| 18:15.15 | jelly | TuxBrother: syslog is a file. |
| 18:15.19 | TuxBrother | Yes |
| 18:15.30 | TuxBrother | syslog-ng is more fine-grained |
| 18:16.12 | jelly | maybe it's easier to say "log everything that comes on this socket to this file" |
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| 18:17.06 | tfjohnson | I just compiled a 3.2.60 kernel and installed it on a machine that had 3.2.0-4 on it. Is there anyway I can make the modules compiled for the old kernel work with the new one? |
| 18:17.22 | jelly | tfjohnson: no, not really. |
| 18:17.39 | jelly | rebuild the modules you're missing. |
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| 18:17.54 | tfjohnson | Ok |
| 18:17.57 | tfjohnson | damn |
| 18:18.02 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 18:18.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-rc5-686-pae (3.17~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-2-686-pae (3.16.3-2); jessie: 3.16-2-686-pae (3.16.3-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.16.3-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 18:18.25 | jelly | tfjohnson: btw debian's 3.2.0-4-whatev is based on 3.2.60 as well. |
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| 18:19.40 | tfjohnson | Why can't I retain compatibility then? |
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| 18:20.23 | jelly | tfjohnson: because you built with different options and possibly a different compiler, which resulted in different kernel ABI |
| 18:20.28 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 18:20.29 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 18:20.47 | jelly | hm, that wasn't very helpful |
| 18:21.01 | jhutchins | tfjohnson: That's always been true, you have to compile the modules with the kernel, they have to match. |
| 18:21.19 | tfjohnson | can I recompile and set the ABI so that it matches |
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| 18:23.09 | jelly | tfjohnson: no, what are you really trying to achieve? |
| 18:23.42 | jhutchins | !kernel compiling |
| 18:23.44 | dpkg | hmm... kernel compiling is Download Kernel. Untar in /usr/src/. Make symlink linux to the name of the kernel directory. cd into the kernel directory. Apply patches. make-kpkg --config [xconfig,menuconfig] kernel_image |
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| 18:24.55 | tfjohnson | I'm trying to swap out a kernel on an existing machine for a custom kernel. But I want to automate the process in the future. |
| 18:25.36 | jelly | tfjohnson: which modules are you missing? |
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| 18:26.48 | tfjohnson | jelly: It looks like everything is missing. lsmod gives me nothing |
| 18:27.06 | jelly | tfjohnson: so, um, why did you not build them for your custom kernel? |
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| 18:28.27 | tfjohnson | jelly: Is there a tool to do that automatically? |
| 18:28.34 | jelly | tfjohnson: did you forget to copy /lib/modules/3.2.60, or whatever the custom kernel's uname -r says, onto this machine? |
| 18:29.03 | jelly | tfjohnson: they get built from the kernel source together with the kernel. |
| 18:29.18 | jelly | tfjohnson: is this your first time building a custom kernel? |
| 18:29.24 | tfjohnson | jelly: Ah that must be it. I am obviously a first timer. |
| 18:29.33 | tfjohnson | jelly:Yes |
| 18:30.15 | jelly | tfjohnson: did you build it on the same machine? |
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| 18:30.29 | tfjohnson | tfjohnson: yeas |
| 18:30.34 | tfjohnson | yes* |
| 18:30.45 | tfjohnson | whoops |
| 18:30.49 | tfjohnson | jelly: yes |
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| 18:31.17 | kbasher | hi guys can you tell me how to turn off gamepad deadzone ? it makes analog sticks useless, totally |
| 18:31.31 | jelly | tfjohnson: so go configure the kernel again and enable the modules you think you'll need |
| 18:31.51 | jelly | tfjohnson: and build and install it again |
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| 18:32.50 | tfjohnson | jelly: Ok great thanks! |
| 18:33.17 | kbasher | i have designed a hardware hack to remove it almost completely, but i was hoping it is possible to remove it if the adc-usb board does not have builtin deadzone |
| 18:33.59 | jelly | tfjohnson: consider starting your .config from Debian's /boot/config-* |
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| 18:35.52 | tfjohnson | jelly: No, I'll look at that |
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| 18:38.30 | tfjohnson | jelly: Alright I'm gonna get back to it. Thanks jelly! |
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| 18:40.02 | Rafiq | I have a question about putty on Windows |
| 18:40.12 | Rafiq | Is there a way to keep PuTTY menus always available, without having it disappear after starting SSH session? I hate starting it again every time |
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| 18:42.15 | jhutchins | Rafiq: If you pin it to the taskbar you can get a partial menu by right-clicking. |
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| 18:42.35 | jhutchins | Rafiq: In w7 at least. ##windows |
| 18:42.54 | Cloudka82 | Hi guys<3 |
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| 18:43.38 | Cloudka82 | I have a rookie questions, I'm hoping you guys won't be too harsh as I've only been doing this kinda stuff for about a year |
| 18:44.08 | Cloudka82 | that bad already? j/k |
| 18:44.26 | Cloudka82 | I'm currently running Debian 7 on a vps and wanted to install pptpd |
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| 18:44.41 | centrx | !hi |
| 18:44.41 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
| 18:44.47 | centrx | !ask |
| 18:44.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:45.13 | Cloudka82 | kk :) I'll type in in one shot then. |
| 18:45.15 | Rafiq | Thanks but the problem is that I want to start a new SSH session of another VPS (from saved sessions) |
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| 18:45.52 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: So install pptpd. You'll probably want to configure and enable it as well. Maybe even read the docs. |
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| 18:46.34 | jhutchins | Rafiq: Works for me. |
| 18:47.03 | jhutchins | Rafiq: I get all three of my configured sessions available if I right-click. |
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| 18:47.48 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: pptp is primarily useful because it makes your machine "local" on a remote network. If you're only accessing the one system on that network it's overkill. |
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| 18:48.07 | Rafiq | Thank you then :) I'm on Android now will try at home. Hope that works for me too.. |
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| 18:49.48 | Cloudka82 | So I'm running Debian 7 on a VPS, I want to use this VPS for |
| 18:49.49 | Cloudka82 | pptp connections with PPTPD. However, whenever I attempt to connect to it from Windows 7, i recieve |
| 18:49.49 | Cloudka82 | the following error message, "Error 619, a connection to the remote computer could not |
| 18:49.49 | Cloudka82 | be establish, so the port used for this connection was closed." I followed this guide word for word, except |
| 18:49.49 | Cloudka82 | for username/pws obviously: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-your-own-vpn-with-pptp |
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| 18:50.59 | anddam | I'm running Xorg in a vbox guest wheezy, I remember that at some point the display did autoresize following the containing window. On this fresh installed system it doesn't |
| 18:51.12 | anddam | AFAICT I've loaded required extensions https://gist.github.com/anddam/3263fb3b4b841eeabda2 |
| 18:51.20 | Cloudka82 | lel i was kicked for flooding |
| 18:51.21 | Cloudka82 | sorry |
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| 18:51.46 | anddam | those extensions are from debian's repositories |
| 18:51.52 | Cloudka82 | But i even verified that the service was running. |
| 18:52.26 | Cloudka82 | Could my firewall be blocking the connection even tho pptpd's service is running on a particular port? |
| 18:52.40 | anddam | searchin for "debian auto resize virtualbox guest" I only find references to very old forum threads or tickets, like 2008 or 2009. Is this a matter of kernel extension, Xorg config or what? |
| 18:52.41 | RoyK | Cloudka82: don't use PPTP unless you need to. The protocol is old, insecure and written by Microsoft. |
| 18:53.13 | RoyK | Cloudka82: better use openvpn |
| 18:53.28 | Cloudka82 | XD I'm not really using it for the security aspect, more just that it does provide sometype of encryption, is lightweight and fast |
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| 18:54.06 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: Why do you want to use vpn? Are you trying to mask your IP? |
| 18:54.07 | RoyK | openvpn is lightweight and fast too and it's secure |
| 18:54.32 | Cloudka82 | Nope, I play world of warcraft and me and my buddies want to connect with our own server |
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| 18:54.37 | Cloudka82 | so lag is really a huge factor for us |
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| 18:55.14 | RoyK | I find it hard to beleive that PPTP should be much faster than OpenVPN |
| 18:55.25 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: Sorry, I don't understand why vpn is involved. Why not just connect to the server with the warcraft client? |
| 18:55.31 | kbasher | i plugged in my gamepad, and can currently control my mouse pointer with it and scroll up down in browser :) it is just... the deadzone must be removed to be useful |
| 18:56.00 | Cloudka82 | it just seems like pptp is a much lighterweight protocol, but i'm a rookie in this area, so i could be very wrong |
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| 18:56.11 | Cloudka82 | also, there is a few other reasons jhutchins :) |
| 18:56.13 | RoyK | Cloudka82: try openvpn |
| 18:56.51 | Cloudka82 | jhutchins: DDoSing is a huge factor right now on world of warcraft, they are able to resolve your IP via skype which we use as a chat system to play arenas on |
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| 18:57.18 | Cloudka82 | So we just want our IP masked entirely, so that's why I'd rather just buy a dedicated vps and vpn to it |
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| 18:57.41 | RoyK | Cloudka82: really, PPTP sucks rather badly. The RFC is still flagged as Informational, not a standard, and it hasn't been updated for years |
| 18:57.43 | Cloudka82 | I don't mind doing it via OpenVPN, i realize it's more secure too. But i'm not too concerned with security, it's just for gameplay |
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| 18:57.59 | Cloudka82 | Royk: as I see |
| 18:58.37 | Cloudka82 | I'm more concerned with speed and bandwidth/resource consumption of the protocol itself |
| 18:58.48 | RoyK | openvpn is based on SSL |
| 18:58.54 | RoyK | so there's very little overhead |
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| 18:59.36 | Cloudka82 | RoyK: Interesting, probably much more difficult to setup though XD Hopefully I can find some good articles, if not I'll just bother you guys *evil laugh |
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| 19:00.41 | RoyK | Cloudka82: it shouldn't be too hard... |
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| 19:01.28 | anddam | https://gist.github.com/anddam/3263fb3b4b841eeabda2 updated with "vbox" occurencies from Xorg log file |
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| 19:01.56 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: No, it's actually simpler to set up. You pretty much have to hack pptp to get it working on Linux. |
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| 19:02.14 | Cloudka82 | heh |
| 19:02.15 | jhutchins | !openvpn |
| 19:02.16 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:02.54 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: There's probably an article about it on the debian wiki as well. |
| 19:03.16 | Cloudka82 | :D I really appreciate it guys |
| 19:03.27 | Cloudka82 | Wasn't sure what I was going to do 5 minutes ago ;) |
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| 19:04.20 | jhutchins | Cloudka82: I'm not a windows guy but I'm pretty sure the openvpn client for windows is pretty simple to install and configure. |
| 19:04.42 | ompaul | yeap |
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| 19:05.27 | Cloudka82 | hehe, well i'm using a debian VPS |
| 19:05.39 | Cloudka82 | I know the clientside installation won't be very difficult |
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| 19:06.00 | Cloudka82 | it's the setup/configuration on debian 7 I'm worried about, but i'm sure it's not THAT difficult |
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| 19:38.15 | tdn | Can I create a compressed file system? I have some data that I know compresses really well (maildir). So I want to put it on a compressed file system in order to save space. Is that possible? |
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| 19:39.22 | kbasher | yes |
| 19:39.33 | kbasher | mksquashfs will do that for you |
| 19:40.02 | kbasher | or zfs with compression, that will be writable, but less compression |
| 19:40.06 | cupantae | hi there. i'm trying to get a usb wifi dongle to work with debian squeeze. it uses the rtl8192cu chipset, which is absent from the description of realtek-firmware. |
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| 19:41.42 | cupantae | the guide on the debian wiki includes a zip archive at dlink.com which no longer exists. i'm wondering if upgrading to wheezy would help. |
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| 19:43.44 | tdn | kbasher, squashfs is readonly? |
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| 19:47.28 | qwk | Hi, is there a way to add a user for easy tasks like apt-get update without typing password all the time? |
| 19:47.46 | cupantae | it works on my arch linux installation that i'm using now, and dmesg says "rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin". anyone know if i can just copy this file over to debian? |
| 19:48.07 | cupantae | the kernel is much newer here on arch, of course |
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| 19:49.58 | acz32 | qwk: possibly by editing the sudoers file to specify the specific command. but passwordless sudo in general is a very bad idea |
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| 19:51.58 | kbasher | tdn, yes, and it is cool for making compressed livecd like knoppix too, or just compacting your root, /usr in a read-only way |
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| 19:52.58 | tdn | kbasher, ok. Will look into it. This is actually for some archived mail that will be served locally. So it might make sense to use squashfs. |
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| 19:53.56 | qwk | acz32: im thinking of something like this: Members of the admin group may gain root privileges |
| 19:53.58 | qwk | %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 19:54.12 | dondelelcaro | qwk: that's what the sudoers group is for... |
| 19:54.14 | qwk | making a admin group |
| 19:54.33 | dondelelcaro | err, sudo group |
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| 19:55.58 | f31n | hi, what is the best way tu unpack tbz files in the cli with more than one core? |
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| 19:57.47 | zh1 | http://youtu.be/qHGTs1NSB1s and i agree |
| 19:58.20 | dondelelcaro | f31n: I don't believe that bunzip has a multi-threaded option. But if you have multiple tar.bz2 files, you can use find . -type f -iname '*.tar.bz2' -print0|xargs -P -n1 -0 tar -zjf; |
| 19:58.36 | acz32 | qwk: how is that any different than making them root? |
| 19:58.44 | dondelelcaro | err, -P 4; or similar |
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| 19:59.23 | qwk | ah ur right |
| 19:59.30 | qwk | that was stupied |
| 19:59.51 | qwk | my friend added his user to a group called admin |
| 19:59.59 | qwk | and set nopasswd |
| 20:00.15 | qwk | because he is lazy |
| 20:00.21 | qwk | to type the password everytime |
| 20:00.26 | qwk | but safety first |
| 20:00.54 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it really makes much of a difference... someone who can become your user can trivially become root if you can sudo |
| 20:01.09 | dondelelcaro | it just means that they have to wait for you to use sudo instead of using sudo directly |
| 20:01.12 | qwk | yea |
| 20:01.31 | qwk | so Im not gonna do that |
| 20:01.33 | qwk | anymore |
| 20:01.48 | qwk | want to do it or w/e |
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| 20:02.47 | f31n | dondelelcaro: nah i've got one big file ... not many :/ |
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| 20:07.22 | acz32 | qwk: like i said, you can specify a specific command to not require a password in sudoers |
| 20:07.35 | dondelelcaro | f31n: well, unless you have a parallel implementation of bunzip (unlikely), just do it. |
| 20:07.48 | acz32 | qwk: instead of ALL, you would type sudo apt-get update |
| 20:07.55 | dondelelcaro | f31n: unless this machine is severly underpowered, your bottleneck is probably going to be disk anyway |
| 20:08.00 | qwk | oh |
| 20:08.00 | qwk | nice |
| 20:08.15 | acz32 | but would need to provide the full path. /usr/bin/sudo apt-get update |
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| 20:08.45 | qwk | without typing the sudo password then ? |
| 20:10.45 | qwk | acz32: could u please type the full cmd |
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| 20:10.55 | qwk | I guess it should be listed under # Cmnd alias specification |
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| 20:11.18 | f31n | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 20:13.02 | dondelelcaro | (well, I suppose nowadays, you could have SSDs, so who knows anymore!) |
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| 20:20.11 | asker | does debian have a central repository where the dsc files are managed and where changes can be viewed in a browser? |
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| 20:29.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | I want to download and unpack debs into a prefix, how do I go about verifying them? 'apt-get download' doesn't seem to do any checking. |
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| 20:34.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is dpkg-sig any good for this? |
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| 20:40.53 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_manually_check_for_package.27s_integrity |
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| 20:41.04 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: I'm not sure if there's a frontend which does this for you, though |
| 20:41.18 | dondelelcaro | (it's certainly something that apt-get download should probably do, though) |
| 20:41.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ouch, pretty awful. |
| 20:42.24 | dondelelcaro | well, it's just everything being done manually, which is painful |
| 20:42.45 | anddam | I'm seeing "(EE) AIGLX error: vboxvideo does not export required DRI extension" in Xorg log, how can I fix this? |
| 20:43.04 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: you might want to use dget instead; I think it'll check them. |
| 20:43.15 | dondelelcaro | hrm; maybe that's only for source packages |
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| 20:44.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | I really wonder why apt-get can't just install to a prefix. |
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| 20:44.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can't really (c)debootstrap because it insists on bringing in all essentials for some reason. |
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| 20:45.24 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: because installing to a prefix is totally unsupported |
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| 20:45.47 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: you can do it, but you can't really expect anything to actually work |
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| 20:46.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, I'm building some sort of initramfs, not simply installing one random package |
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| 20:46.35 | teraflops | Eduard_Munteanu: so a package manager to install binaries in custom prefixes has to be the proper way? |
| 20:47.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | teraflops, I wonder what that PM would be. |
| 20:47.28 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: like an initramfs which has a full system? |
| 20:48.01 | dondelelcaro | I'm not sure why you'd want to use apt-get without actually using cdebootstrap |
| 20:48.13 | r3n1c0n | i got a error at tightvncserver. It worked until some updates i gues. http://pastebin.com/fv69wsPC |
| 20:48.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, not really a full system, just a few packages with their recursive dependencies.. but including 'essentials' is too much. |
| 20:48.21 | dondelelcaro | or, if it's really an initramfs, just using the initramfs |
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| 20:48.31 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: what's the use case? |
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| 20:48.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, building an automatic installer |
| 20:48.56 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: for Debian? |
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| 20:49.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 20:49.10 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: any reason why you can't just use d-i? |
| 20:49.18 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: it can be set up to do fully automated installs |
| 20:49.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, many reasons... it's slow, annoying to customize and so forth |
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| 20:50.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | A script to partition and debootstrap is much faster. |
| 20:50.04 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: really? the customization is pretty easy, and it's not that slow, especially if you're actually installing Debian on the machines |
| 20:50.15 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: you can do all of that in d-i... |
| 20:50.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, planning on installing jessie. |
| 20:50.47 | dondelelcaro | and it's not like a fully automated install takes that long; most of the time is spent downloading |
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| 20:51.06 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: how complicated of a partitioning setup is this? |
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| 20:51.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, simple, basically just swap + root partition. |
| 20:52.06 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: a simple preseed file will do all of that for you |
| 20:52.30 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: and you can have it run whatever arbitrary commands you want after it's finished the initial install, too. |
| 20:53.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm planning on a few things like making the boot media removable, talking to a remote server to reserve and get configuration... Besides, preseeding involves remastering the media too. |
| 20:54.19 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: no, it doesn't |
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| 20:54.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, I don't intend on typing an URL. |
| 20:55.06 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: are you going to be using USB? |
| 20:55.08 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: or CD? |
| 20:55.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, right now USB, might need CD in the future. So let's say either. |
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| 20:55.49 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: for USB, you just change the syslinux.cfg to append the URL to the commandline |
| 20:56.13 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: for CD, you'll have to fix the bootfloppy, and then remake the image, but that's pretty simple |
| 20:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: frankly, I actually do all of this by PXE booting, myself, because I can't be bothered to actually touch a machine |
| 20:57.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm looking for a way to implement secure network installs. PXE is pretty much a no-go. |
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| 20:57.59 | dondelelcaro | a closed network is pretty secure, but hey, whatever works. |
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| 21:06.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think I'm going to pacstrap my way to cdebootstrap. |
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| 21:11.10 | crecca | Help, I want to bind alt+arrow to switch between tty's while in X11. Anyone tried such a thing? |
| 21:11.30 | crecca | It all works well if I'm in console mode, but in Xorg it doesn't work |
| 21:11.41 | crecca | only ctrl+alt+fn works |
| 21:11.42 | dondelelcaro | crecca: you mean to switch between xterms or something similar? Or do you mean to switch from tty7 to tty1? |
| 21:11.55 | crecca | dondelelcaro: from tty7 to tty1 |
| 21:12.16 | dondelelcaro | crecca: the easy way is to add the keybinding in your WM to call chvt |
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| 21:12.45 | crecca | dondelelcaro: but chvt works only as root... |
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| 21:13.59 | crecca | dondelelcaro: and I'm not sure how to bind to `alt+left/right' |
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| 21:48.26 | likecolacola | Hey... i am using Debian wheezy and need to install MySQL-5.1, well i am very noobish so before downloading some .deb's and go wild "fixing dependences", i really appreciate my OS, actually i love it so can i get some general guidance on how to proceed? |
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| 21:49.09 | sarkis | hey all dpkg complains that a package is half configured |
| 21:49.17 | sarkis | i know that its ok, anyway to mark as resolved? |
| 21:49.31 | sarkis | i'm using dpkg --audit to list the "half configured" package |
| 21:50.33 | dondelelcaro | sarkis: just dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 21:54.43 | sarkis | that was it ... ty |
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| 21:58.48 | rhagu | hi, what do I need to install on debian to do a git clone? |
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| 21:59.24 | crecca | rhagu: git |
| 21:59.45 | rhagu | :-D ok, I will try it, thanks! |
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| 22:01.52 | rhagu | works! thank you, tried mercurial for some reason |
| 22:02.10 | crecca | rhagu: great! |
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| 22:13.56 | likecolacola | it will sound as it is.. very noobish, i need to install MySQL 5.1 on Debian wheezy, the apt-get only has MySQL-5.5... can i get some general advice on whenever it's doable etc?r? |
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| 22:15.37 | heurist | likecolacola: why can you not use v5.5 ? installing old version is not supported. |
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| 22:16.46 | likecolacola | heurist, it's for a programming class... it's the teacher choice |
| 22:17.21 | heurist | likecolacola: urgh! maybe install squeeze in a chroot or container or vm. |
| 22:17.26 | likecolacola | "i can't install 5.1 on my linux" is not going to do it... :( |
| 22:17.35 | likecolacola | heurist, okey |
| 22:18.02 | likecolacola | heurist, actually, we did some virtualmachine stuff... so that's very good advice atm |
| 22:18.03 | heurist | likecolacola: but maybe "can I use 5.5 instead?" might. try asking. |
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| 22:18.45 | heurist | likecolacola: playing with vms is a useful skillset to cultivate. |
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| 22:19.10 | likecolacola | heurist, yesssssss that will be my first try, then if it does not work i am going for the vm... but i find it pretty fucked to host a mysql database on a vm, mostly because my laptop is a intel core duo 2 with 4gb ram |
| 22:19.34 | heurist | likecolacola: though that sounds like I am recommending vms, which is old and not what I mean. VMs looksb better (: |
| 22:20.21 | heurist | likecolacola: please keep the language clean. most VMs are ease these days, your machine should be ok. |
| 22:20.40 | rhagu | My install is from netinstall with only few packages I downloaded sources for a vdr plugin and need to compile it, but after doing make I get: "/bin/sh: 1: pkg-config: not found" what do I need to install? |
| 22:20.56 | heurist | likecolacola: are you wonrking in linux only? or do you need to work with Windows and Mac too? |
| 22:21.59 | heurist | why can I not type!? |
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| 22:22.33 | likecolacola | heurist, sorry for the language, no excuse... well, actually we have a Proprietary Operative System class and a Free Operative System class too, out from these two classes, we are free to choose from any OS |
| 22:22.44 | likecolacola | and i pretty much love linux... |
| 22:23.59 | heurist | likecolacola: if you are in more than just linux then Virtualbox is nice since it works on everything in the same way. If only linux then kvm is nice and lib-virt gives a pretty nice frontend, there are also fancier frontends. |
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| 22:24.56 | heurist | likecolacola: also look at lxc or libvirt-lxc as a lighter-weight solution than a full VM. |
| 22:25.24 | likecolacola | yesterday they taught us how to install a VM with VirtualBox... but was not my first attempt, 5 months ago before starting IT classes i also tried without success to put a VM working with kvm |
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| 22:25.55 | likecolacola | yesterday i understood why, there's so much to config and the VirtualBox friendly interface was the key |
| 22:25.57 | heurist | likecolacola: if they are using virtualbox to teach then use that for now, it is super easy. |
| 22:26.02 | likecolacola | that and the teacher behind hehehe |
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| 22:26.46 | likecolacola | yes, later i will probably go with kvm as i really appreciate deep learning and all the GNU movement |
| 22:27.07 | babilen | likecolacola: You are aware of virt-manager, aren't you? |
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| 22:28.27 | heurist | likecolacola: I hear good things about virt-manager. once you have a foundational understanding of the technology swapping VM software is very easy. best to use what the teachers use for now though. |
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| 22:28.34 | likecolacola | babilen, partly... honestly i gave up when using it... not like i am blaming the software, i just was too new to IT's, 6 months ago i was and still am musician so i gave up for harddrive installs... |
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| 22:28.58 | babilen | likecolacola: Sure, just wanted to mention it. |
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| 22:29.27 | likecolacola | ops, also my english isnt the best one since i learn it by myself, i meant that 6 months ago i was the average Windows youtube-facebook user |
| 22:29.39 | likecolacola | then i choose to change career haha and here i am |
| 22:30.27 | babilen | likecolacola: I'd like to recommend http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ to you |
| 22:30.36 | babilen | (excellent free book on Debian) |
| 22:31.07 | likecolacola | heurist, if i understood good enough, you just said that taking in count my laptop, i could be okey installing debian squeezy on a VM and then hosting a MySQL DB on learning purposes? |
| 22:31.20 | SpaceAce | I need to write a script that'll connect to an FTP server, download every file, and delete the source files to prevent repeatedly downloading the same files next time the script executes. wget doesn't seem to have an option to delete after download. Can anyone point me to a better solution? |
| 22:31.34 | likecolacola | babilen, i appreciate that, definitely going to save that book! |
| 22:32.03 | heurist | likecolacola: it should be fine for testing/learning work. might be a bit slow, but your hardware is not terrible. try it and see how it goes. |
| 22:32.50 | babilen | vbox is, yeah, slow |
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| 22:35.43 | likecolacola | heurist, i will... i also have a PC on my house, what i might do is setting up the database here and the client on the VM |
| 22:35.45 | likecolacola | :d |
| 22:36.42 | heurist | likecolacola: a nice thing about VMs is that you can play with all sorts of config options without worrying about breaking your machine that you need. |
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| 22:38.02 | likecolacola | heurist, yesss the VM thing seems like a petite miracle hehehe... like okey... ready to destroy you with a nasty virus and see what happend hahahah |
| 22:38.12 | likecolacola | or whatever you want to do, it's just fine :P |
| 22:38.52 | heurist | likecolacola: look at snapshots as well, you can roll back to before the "virus". |
| 22:39.20 | mynis | so did triton have to be patched for this shell shock thing? or was gentoo-hardened not affected? |
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| 22:40.08 | babilen | mynis: Try #gentoo ? |
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| 22:40.37 | mynis | oh wrong chat, sorry ;) |
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| 22:42.44 | likecolacola | heurist, oki |
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| 23:28.12 | civillian | tapout: get the source |
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| 23:32.31 | tapout | cheers1 |
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