| 00:00.03 | man-woof | But Ubuntu-MATE has a mate dev running it, it's becoming an official Ubuntu spin, and I believe Debian will also be kept even more up to date, MATE IS GROWING |
| 00:00.04 | OldGuy | I'll check out #linux-mint |
| 00:00.08 | abrotman | OldGuy: This channel still doesn't support Mint, please use the correct channel |
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| 00:00.45 | OldGuy | I loved Gnome2 - that's why I went to MATE |
| 00:01.14 | enyc | man-woof: what do you considerup to date? |
| 00:01.30 | man-woof | enyc: never more than 1 version behind |
| 00:01.41 | OldGuy | bye - thanx for your help - note please let Mint people know that their #Chat button take you to the #Debian page... Later... |
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| 00:02.12 | enyc | man-woof: '''1 version''' doesnt mean a lot ? I see 1.8.0+7 ... |
| 00:03.01 | man-woof | enyc: hmm... well, 1 release revision... 1.1.x |
| 00:03.35 | man-woof | Sigh, 1 program may have 10 different version names on various distros |
| 00:03.51 | man-woof | Debian keeps things pretty straight, but ubuntu... ouch |
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| 00:04.51 | man-woof | Is there a debian guideline on version names so I can better understand how it's organized? |
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| 00:06.44 | dondelelcaro | man-woof: version names of what? |
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| 00:09.57 | man-woof | dondelelcaro: package version numbers |
| 00:11.01 | jpleau | man-woof: man deb-version |
| 00:11.02 | man-woof | dondelelcaro: in some distros it's "use the vanilla names even if it's patched to the distro" and ubuntu... gets fancy |
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| 00:11.25 | man-woof | jpleau: bam, thanks |
| 00:12.16 | franknight3 | bada bing |
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| 00:21.19 | crush26 | I am still trying to figure out a way to close a specific gnome-terminal from within a shell script. For example, I have three gnome-terminals open, each running three seperate commands. From with in a script, I need to kill the gnome-terminal window. I can do it manually by finding the bash PID by running pstree -p, then kill -9 bash to the gnome-terminal window that is running the specific command. Any ideas? |
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| 00:28.48 | Lugal763462 | Is the Iceweasel from the Debian repository more secure than the Firefox from the Mozilla website?? |
| 00:29.26 | NiLon | I would go with no |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | Lugal763462: they should be about the same, do you have a specific concern? |
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| 00:33.59 | man-woof | It's never as up to date, and it only uses LTS firefox as the base, so there's fixes which never get backported |
| 00:34.25 | man-woof | Although if you want to be safe... only use javascript on sites you trust |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | man-woof: again ,, wrong |
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| 00:34.44 | abrotman | man-woof: Do you need help with Debian? your contributions to the channel aren't helping much |
| 00:35.41 | man-woof | Package iceweasel 24.8.1esr-1~deb7u1 |
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| 00:36.20 | man-woof | ESR is not as secure as mainline Firefox, this is from Mozilla themselves, unless iceweasel's maintainers backport things left out |
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| 00:36.45 | abrotman | man-woof: that doesn't change the fact you're still incorrect |
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| 00:36.56 | man-woof | abrotman: In what way? |
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| 00:38.26 | themill | man-woof: you might like to compare the sid and wheezy (security) columns at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/iceweasel |
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| 00:40.46 | abrotman | man-woof: and many people utilize mozilla.debian.net |
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| 00:41.21 | Lugal763462 | is the iceweasel specifically tested for backdoor / exploits, or just for being stable? |
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| 00:41.38 | abrotman | Lugal763462: is Firefox specifically tested for backdoor/exploits? |
| 00:41.50 | man-woof | themill: These are post-release CVEs, does debian get embargo too? |
| 00:42.31 | themill | man-woof: yes |
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| 00:45.43 | mentor | Offhand, does anyone know any software that has full screen visualisations of some sort that changes with mouse movement so or key presses? It's for a young child who likes playing with the keyboard |
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| 00:54.21 | jaybe | mentor, itunes with a nice song and the visualizations on are enjoyable for a child |
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| 01:00.41 | benzrf | please help |
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| 01:00.54 | benzrf | i am attempting to upgrade to jessie on a crunchbang system and i get these errors: https://gist.github.com/cce6321d9c20ff484e07 |
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| 01:01.58 | man-woof | could delete the conflicting packages then upgrade... |
| 01:02.25 | benzrf | :\ |
| 01:02.45 | man-woof | well forcing can break things more... |
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| 01:04.57 | bcessa | hi, I'm having a rather unusual problem, I tried looking only for references but no much luck; I use cert for user and host authentication but for a certain host I'm getting an error of the kind "Certificate invalid: name is not a listed principal" however the IP using for connecting is in fact set as principal, any ideas on what could be the problem? all other hosts are working just fine with |
| 01:05.45 | bcessa | this is the host certificate information http://pastebin.com/BqzKrmfi and this the connection debug output http://pastebin.com/ugBz5MCx |
| 01:06.07 | dvs | benzrf: not possible. You'll always have some remnent of crunchbang on the syste.m |
| 01:06.18 | benzrf | dvs: i'm not trying to get rid of crunchbang... |
| 01:06.26 | benzrf | i'm trying to upgrade to jessie while remaining crunchbang o-O |
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| 01:10.18 | ggggg | sooo |
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| 01:12.23 | nurupo | benzrf: you can't really take a debian derivative and update it to debian jessie not expecting it to fail |
| 01:12.23 | franknight3 | bada bing |
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| 01:12.40 | cinnamon | anyone having trouble installing cinnamon on debian 7.6 |
| 01:13.11 | cinnamon | oooor is it just me? |
| 01:13.24 | benzrf | nurupo: uwot |
| 01:13.30 | benzrf | i'm told plenty of people do it x_x |
| 01:13.31 | nurupo | benzrf: the easiest thing for you would be to forget about updating your crunchbang and just install debian jessie instead of it |
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| 01:13.40 | benzrf | :| |
| 01:14.01 | nurupo | benzrf: well, it's not crunchbang support channel, we don't know how to do it |
| 01:14.20 | nurupo | benzrf: try #crunchang or something |
| 01:14.23 | benzrf | yeah... i did |
| 01:14.30 | benzrf | i'm asking here about dependency problems, is all |
| 01:14.33 | benzrf | nothing crunchbang specific |
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| 01:14.45 | benzrf | tbh i dont even think i installed any of these packages from the crunchbang repos |
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| 01:18.31 | benzrf | what does this even mean? |
| 01:18.31 | benzrf | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-numpy: python-numpy depends on python2.7:any. |
| 01:18.32 | dpkg | benzrf: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 01:18.55 | benzrf | lol |
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| 01:32.41 | Richard82 | hi |
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| 01:32.58 | Richard82 | question: when I connect my toshiba harddrive to my PC, I always get the following mount point: |
| 01:33.00 | yeboot | hi, I'm wondering why libsdl2 is in wheezy-backports instead of wheezy proper, as it's a newer version of sdl than 1.2, which is in the normal wheezy repos |
| 01:33.04 | Richard82 | /media/TOSHIBA EXT |
| 01:33.13 | Richard82 | that's terrible, because it contains a "space" |
| 01:33.27 | Richard82 | I wondered how I can change this mountpoint |
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| 01:33.34 | Richard82 | it's not defined in /etc/fstab |
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| 01:37.45 | sexyboy | Richard82: change the volume name |
| 01:38.43 | sexyboy | Richard82: you probably can do it with ntfs-3g tools and most certainly you can do it under windows |
| 01:39.08 | yeboot | seriously, how is libsdl2 backported, but 1.2 is in wheezy's normal repo |
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| 01:39.39 | sexyboy | Richard82: there is also a ntfsprogs package |
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| 01:44.24 | Richard82 | sexyboy, sorry for the delay! I was away for a short moment |
| 01:44.32 | Richard82 | sexyboy, thank you very much for your advice |
| 01:44.38 | sexyboy | np, hf |
| 01:44.41 | Richard82 | I am going to try out the ntfsprogs |
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| 01:45.47 | Richard82 | sexyboy, I did a quick google research based on the following search terms: |
| 01:45.48 | Richard82 | ntfsprogs rename media |
| 01:45.55 | Richard82 | then I got this site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive |
| 01:46.11 | Richard82 | actually that's for Ubuntu, but I guess it can be done near the same way on Debian |
| 01:46.15 | Richard82 | what would you say? |
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| 01:47.05 | sexyboy | the ntfsprogs is the same software in ubuntu and debian |
| 01:47.14 | sexyboy | the usage wil be identical |
| 01:47.17 | Richard82 | great |
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| 01:47.20 | Richard82 | thank you very muh |
| 01:47.21 | Richard82 | much |
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| 01:48.18 | sexyboy | np |
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| 02:02.28 | richac | has anyone compiled a kernel with grsecurity? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | there is ##grsecurity |
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| 02:12.17 | franknight3 | any hot bots wanna chat? |
| 02:12.29 | yeboot | I am a bot but I am not hot |
| 02:12.30 | yeboot | sorry |
| 02:13.32 | benzrf | not a bot |
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| 02:16.57 | karlpinc | franknight3: #debian-offtopic for chatting |
| 02:16.58 | franknight3 | what are you talking about? |
| 02:17.15 | sexyboy | kicking and abnning |
| 02:17.49 | benzrf | somebody PLEASE help me understand this problem: |
| 02:17.49 | benzrf | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-pkg-resources: python-pkg-resources depends on python:any (>= 2.7). python-pkg-resources depends on python:any (<< 2.8). |
| 02:17.50 | dpkg | benzrf: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 02:17.56 | benzrf | how is that occurring at all?! |
| 02:17.59 | benzrf | i HAVE python |
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| 02:20.53 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble with tripwire on Debian Wheezy. No matter what I try, every command I run in a root shell, or with sudo even, causes the modtime of /root to change. I can't get a clean tripwire --check because of this, as updating the database updates the modtime of /root, and with SEC_CRIT it's always flagged. |
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| 02:21.40 | ectospasm | I've even tried adding -m to the /root entry, and still I can't get a --check which doesn't show /root's modtime as a violation. |
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| 02:42.06 | tharkun | How do I instruc the installer to use the larges continuous free space with LVM ? |
| 02:43.34 | tharkun | Also xfs is the new default filesystem right? |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:44.48 | tharkun | abrotman: no to which question? |
| 02:45.41 | dvs | xfs |
| 02:46.16 | sexyboy | tharkun: you can't logically answer your first question with a boolean statement |
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| 02:48.18 | tharkun | So there is really no way to tell the installer to just do its magic with LVM and the largest continous free space? |
| 02:49.01 | sexyboy | tharkun: cant you do that manually |
| 02:49.02 | sexyboy | ? |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:49.43 | tharkun | abrotman: so it is a boolean answer tonight rotfl |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | tharkun: no |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | tharkun: do you want it to do this magically? |
| 02:50.45 | tharkun | abrotman: I'm very tired I expected the installer to do the work for me. I allways end up in trouble when trying to set up lvm in debian. |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | tharkun: is there pre-existing data on the drive? do oyu need to keep it? |
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| 02:52.13 | tharkun | abrotman: Dual boot is mandatory. |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | tharkun: not what I"m asking |
| 02:52.46 | karlpinc | tharkun: I always have to poke the installer's lvm with a stick, but it eventually works. |
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| 02:53.06 | tharkun | Yes there are three partitions one containing windows 7 one some extra information and a third containing a recovery partition. |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | tharkun: considered using a gparted liveCD to move partitions around? |
| 02:53.57 | tharkun | abrotman: I've got 750 GB allready freed for linux |
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| 02:54.10 | karlpinc | tharkun: Don't you need to first tell the installer to use a partition for lvm? Is the 750 in a partition? |
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| 02:54.25 | abrotman | tharkun: continuous? |
| 02:54.32 | tharkun | yes :) |
| 02:54.36 | karlpinc | (contiguous) |
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| 02:54.49 | wsky | tharkun: man, all this effort to talk about it on irc and you would make it done manually by now |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | karlpinc: continuous |
| 02:55.43 | wsky | unless you have to do it like twice a day, then there are better installation methods |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | tharkun: so if it's unused, and continuous, you can have Debian do what you want with all 750GB |
| 02:56.16 | tharkun | yes |
| 02:56.27 | karlpinc | abrotman: If you say so. In my experience, continous refers to time, contiguous to space. Whatever. |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | karlpinc: contiguous could work, I was just trying to be clear that it was a single chunk |
| 02:56.59 | tharkun | wsky: It's been far too many years since I last installed Debian. I usually do it once per machine. |
| 02:57.07 | karlpinc | abrotman: Ok. |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | tharkun: the installer will ask you before doing anything, ti's not going to blindly overwrite Win7 |
| 02:58.05 | karlpinc | tharkun: So, if it's in a partition, then use that partition for lvm. |
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| 02:58.48 | tharkun | abrotman: I expect that to happen. |
| 02:58.49 | karlpinc | tharkun: If it's not in a partition you're surely better of making a partion first. |
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| 02:59.13 | tharkun | karlpinc: I've got 786.4GB FREE SPACE |
| 02:59.18 | Lady_Aleena | Good evening. I installed Jessies Terminator (https://code.google.com/p/jessies/) as my terminal emulator. When I first open it, the default directory it goes to is my Documents directory instead of my home directory. I have crawled all over my computer looking for a way to change it with no success. Does anyone else here use it who may be able to help me figure this out? |
| 02:59.21 | tharkun | Nothing on it. |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | tharkun: so install Debian, good luck :) |
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| 02:59.59 | karlpinc | tharkun: Put it in a partition. I forget how. I poke it with a stick. Eventually it works. You can always press the "back" button. |
| 03:00.23 | karlpinc | tharkun: Worst case, go to tty3 or whatever has shell and do it there. |
| 03:00.58 | franknight3 | Who's awake? |
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| 03:01.24 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: How do you open it? |
| 03:01.57 | tharkun | karlpinc: I've been pressing the back button a lot for the last hour or so. Once I set it, any small mistakes will be very hard to fix. |
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| 03:03.11 | karlpinc | tharkun: FWIW, sometimes it's nice to have a swap partition that's not in lvm. Just in case you run out of ram doing a fsck on the root fs. Or something like that. I forget what happened to me that drove the point home. |
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| 03:03.35 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, normally I open it with a key on my keyboard which uses the command 'terminator'. |
| 03:03.54 | karlpinc | tharkun: On the other hand, maybe it got addressed. i think I filed a bug. |
| 03:04.17 | tharkun | IIRC I leave the boot partition and swap out of the equation so things work good. But really I am not used to installing debian. |
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| 03:04.20 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: How about having the command be "/bin/sh -c 'cd ~; terminator"? |
| 03:04.39 | benzrf | please help :{ |
| 03:04.48 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Oops. Close the '. |
| 03:04.50 | benzrf | how does this happen: |
| 03:04.51 | benzrf | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-pkg-resources: python-pkg-resources depends on python:any (>= 2.7). python-pkg-resources depends on python:any (<< 2.8). |
| 03:04.51 | dpkg | benzrf: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 03:05.10 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: It's a kludge, but.... |
| 03:05.15 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, do I run the command from within Terminator? |
| 03:05.26 | dvs | benzrf: mixing crunchbang and jessie won't work. |
| 03:05.41 | benzrf | dvs: at all?? |
| 03:05.48 | dvs | nope |
| 03:05.49 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: No. Use it to start terminator. In other words, set the directory you're running terminator in with the command that starts it. |
| 03:05.54 | benzrf | holds his head in his hands |
| 03:05.59 | benzrf | i know of many people who have done it.. |
| 03:06.33 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, just to verify the command to make sure my quotes are in the right place: /bin/sh -c 'cd ~'; terminator |
| 03:06.57 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: No, the last ' goes at the very end. |
| 03:07.21 | Lady_Aleena | /bin/sh -c 'cd ~; terminator' ? |
| 03:07.31 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Yes. |
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| 03:08.13 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you so very much karlpinc! |
| 03:08.33 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Surely there's a better way. But brute force works. |
| 03:08.44 | benzrf | justanotheruser: |
| 03:08.44 | benzrf | *just |
| 03:08.49 | benzrf | dvs: how is that even happening?! |
| 03:08.55 | benzrf | dpkg: dependency |
| 03:08.55 | dpkg | A dependency is a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get/aptitude/synaptic. Packages are listed as dependencies for a good reason... if you think you don't need that package, then most likely you don't know what "dependency" means. Go look it up and ask me about <policy>. |
| 03:08.57 | benzrf | tsk |
| 03:09.02 | benzrf | dpkg: dependency problems |
| 03:09.03 | dpkg | benzrf: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:09.05 | karlpinc | !tell benzrf about frankendebian |
| 03:09.07 | benzrf | ok. |
| 03:09.12 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, I looked in what I think were config files, online, etc. and found nothing. |
| 03:09.16 | karlpinc | just loves that factoid. |
| 03:09.23 | benzrf | cries |
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| 03:10.28 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Something is wonky. (I tend to stick with the packages in debian. It's not like I'm going to run out of them if I use them. ;-) |
| 03:11.47 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Come to think of it, you could leave the ~ out. It's redundant. |
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| 03:11.57 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, I wanted to stay within Debian packages and tried all the terminal emulators I could find, however, they ALL line wrap which is something I can NOT stand. |
| 03:12.24 | ruukasu | benzrf: #debian just strongly dislikes #!, don't listen ;] |
| 03:12.35 | benzrf | ruukasu: ( Í Â° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 03:12.39 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: I suppose you could work with emacs as your shell. You can tell it not to line wrap. |
| 03:13.08 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, I thought emacs was a text editor. |
| 03:13.21 | dvs | heh |
| 03:13.25 | karlpinc | ruukasu: Debian does not care. The channel can support only so much though. |
| 03:13.30 | ruukasu | one time I told them apt-get was accessint cb repos fine, but not debian, and asked where to find another debian mirror, they said #! isn't supported here |
| 03:13.41 | ruukasu | accessing* |
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| 03:13.56 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Emacs can do anything. It's "extensible" and has been extended. :) |
| 03:14.00 | ruukasu | it was literally a problem with debian servers |
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| 03:14.16 | ruukasu | but because I have the #! postinst somewhere in /usr/bin |
| 03:14.21 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: In fact, I'm using emacs as my irc client at the moment. It's not great, but works for me. |
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| 03:15.01 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, sounds like emacs may want to be a DE or WM too. |
| 03:15.14 | dvs | it is |
| 03:15.28 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: It's long past that. It did windows before graphics existed. |
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| 03:15.40 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: But, we're a bit offtopic. |
| 03:16.43 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: What bugs you about line wrap? Anything in particular or is it just line wrap itself? |
| 03:17.01 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, if you want to convince me to use it, we could always take this to #debian-offtopic, an emacs channel on freenode (if there is one), or PM. |
| 03:17.25 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: E.g. You can tell less, or emacs, that when you want to go to the next line it goes to the next physical line, ignoring line wrap. |
| 03:17.48 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: My evangical ferver has cooled. :) |
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| 03:18.00 | karlpinc | I recommend it, and that's enough. |
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| 03:18.31 | justanotheruser | benzrf: y u hilight |
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| 03:18.45 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, join me in #debian-offtopic for a moment? |
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| 03:21.07 | Frogging101 | Can I disable IPv6 resolution for one hostname? |
| 03:21.14 | Frogging101 | Like with the hosts file or such |
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| 03:25.37 | slashd | What would be the best approach in late_command to launch a command that is interactive by answering question ? I tried expect and python-pexpect, the script are working if run manually but doesn't in my preseed recipe |
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| 03:40.52 | PryMar56 | on jessie with systemd, in /etc/rc6.d, I see no kill for ssh. My ssh sessions hang when I shutdown remotely |
| 03:41.23 | PryMar56 | networking goes down before ssh does |
| 03:42.04 | somiaj | well systed isn't going to use the rc?.d directories, it does things in services. Though I'm unsure how it deals with the order |
| 03:42.45 | PryMar56 | somiaj, sure, but in /etc/rc2.d there is a startup for ssh |
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| 03:44.36 | somiaj | systemd supports init.d scripts, but as I said not sure how it deals with it. Since tehre aren't run levels with systemd it probabaly just looks at /etc/init.d/ directally |
| 03:46.12 | somiaj | looks like shutdown order is just the reverse of the start order, so maybe you can configure how and when ssh starts |
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| 03:46.55 | PryMar56 | somiaj, there is a bug filed |
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| 03:47.46 | PryMar56 | Bug#751636 |
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| 03:48.26 | SixtyFold | anyone just update 32 bit chrome and now getting segmentation faults trying to launch? |
| 03:48.31 | SixtyFold | i have this on two machines now |
| 03:48.44 | somiaj | yea, beucase it appears that ssh starts after network.target, so it should stop before that is stoped, maybe network is brought up somewhere else |
| 03:49.00 | somiaj | PryMar56: you aren't using network manager or something else to bring up/down the network? |
| 03:49.25 | SixtyFold | the update for 64 bit just fixed the pepperflash problem but the update broke 32 bit completely, haha |
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| 03:49.41 | PryMar56 | somiaj, no NM.. looking for another network startup |
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| 03:51.35 | richac | hello all i just installed debian for the first time and the user password was wrong, and passw user after hitting ctrl alt f1 as root didnt' work |
| 03:51.45 | richac | is it diff command then redhat? |
| 03:52.41 | jordanm | richac: no |
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| 03:53.08 | richac | hmm |
| 03:53.12 | richac | well thats weird |
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| 03:54.47 | somiaj | PryMar56: you could test modifying /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service to run after network-online.target, might mean the server is a little slower going up but maybe then it will be shutdown before your interface is unconfigured |
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| 03:55.30 | somiaj | PryMar56: on my sid box it only depends on network.target which just means after the network stack is up but it could be running before the interface is configured, thus the interface would be deconfigured before ssh is killed |
| 03:55.43 | PryMar56 | somiaj, good idea |
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| 04:05.41 | tharkun | abrotman, karlpinc: figured it out once again. Still that part of the installation process is still a mess. I can't figure out how it could be improved. |
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| 04:22.20 | Rayzr | are there any mysql wiz around? |
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| 04:23.06 | Rayzr | dropped a db but when i recreate it the user someone still exists |
| 04:25.19 | tharkun | What dm and wm are nice to use. I've been using gdm and a miriad of wm for quite a lot of time but I'm looking from something rock solid and very intuitive with lots of keyboard friendliness. |
| 04:25.59 | somiaj | tharkun: I like fvwm but it requires a good amount of time to configure it like you want. In the end it is a matter of choice, debian provides plenty you can install them and try them out |
| 04:26.46 | somiaj | tharkun: as for a dm, I think lightdm is one of the more lightweight dm's that has some active support. I liked slim but I think it has some issues. The otehrs ones I can tnk of are just old and not much change like xdm or kdm |
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| 04:27.28 | somiaj | Rayzr: there is #mysql |
| 04:27.42 | Rayzr | yeah but i cant send to channel on it |
| 04:27.54 | Rayzr | not a very useful channel at that rate |
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| 04:28.17 | tharkun | Rayzr: Drop the user. |
| 04:28.32 | tharkun | Rayzr: get your nick registered |
| 04:28.36 | Rayzr | i dropped the user but the mediawiki keeps saying the user exists |
| 04:28.37 | somiaj | Rayzr: some may require you regerster your account, then you can speak |
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| 04:29.03 | tharkun | Rayzr: Try login as that user. Permissions on mysql are sometimes very tricky |
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| 04:30.17 | tharkun | somiaj: So far I managed a base system the machine has 8 gb ram and an i7 so I am on a system easy to use. |
| 04:31.49 | vaxerdec | hello, i am trying to use aptitude to display only Description field (corresponding to that from 'aptitude show' or 'apt-cache show'), but try 'aptitude search -F %d ^pkgname$' and this only shows short description. chart from aptitude manual does not show one for long desc. how to print arbitrary fields? |
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| 04:35.36 | franknight3 | *8) |
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| 04:38.07 | vaxerdec | [A |
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| 04:39.23 | vaxerdec | sorry, an animal took over the keyboard momentarily. |
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| 04:43.47 | l0rdn1x | vaxerdec:: I just got a visual of a cat climbing on the keyboard lol |
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| 04:46.43 | peterS | argh, is there a way to teach iceweasel how to use gethostbyname()? |
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| 04:49.02 | peterS | (also, any bots out there wanting to send pm spam, probably shouldn't do it to people who can ban you) |
| 04:50.01 | vaxerdec | i can't seem to find a way to just print a given metadata field from installed package, seems like basic feature of package manager |
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| 04:50.30 | peterS | you mean like 'dpkg -s' but with less output? |
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| 04:50.39 | vaxerdec | peterS: saw that, wondered what it was |
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| 04:50.42 | vaxerdec | peterS: i mean the bot |
| 04:50.50 | vaxerdec | peterS: i have never seen that on freenode |
| 04:51.09 | peterS | haven't seen what? bots that spam you in /msg when you say something on channel? |
| 04:51.19 | vaxerdec | peterS: yes exactly |
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| 04:51.31 | vaxerdec | peterS: it sent me message right after i spoke |
| 04:51.37 | peterS | #debian is a big enough channel to attract a certain amount of that sort of thing |
| 04:51.55 | vaxerdec | maybe efnet or something but never seen on freenode. this is large population though, yes |
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| 04:52.31 | vaxerdec | peterS: yes, like -s, but display only *one* of the fields |
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| 04:53.04 | vaxerdec | peterS: aptitude has -F, but there isn't a %foo for all of them (including, apparently, description) |
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| 04:53.32 | vaxerdec | peterS: i can postprocess, but seems like extracting a field is basic to tool, thought sure i was missing something |
| 04:53.32 | peterS | only the description can have more than one line, so 'grep' works pretty well for the rest |
| 04:53.45 | peterS | well, the description and 'Conffiles:' I guess |
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| 04:54.10 | vaxerdec | peterS: i'll have to wrap with awk or something. oh well |
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| 04:55.11 | peterS | vaxerdec: there exists a 'dctrl-tools' package you might have a look at. it includes 'grep-dctrl', a general tool for searching and printing lines of dpkg status format stuff |
| 04:55.35 | vaxerdec | hrm, but then i couldn't get uninstalled ones either |
| 04:55.37 | peterS | vaxerdec: as well as wrappers like 'grep-status' to apply this to specifc files like /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 04:56.03 | peterS | vaxerdec: ... and 'grep-available' for /var/lib/dpkg/available... (which includes uninstalled packages) |
| 04:56.42 | peterS | grep-dctrl and its wrappers are a bit unwieldy to use, but they can do pretty much exactly what you're saying |
| 04:57.11 | vaxerdec | they can work off uninstalled files? as aptitude and apt-cache can? |
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| 04:58.32 | vaxerdec | ah yes, grep-aptavail maybe |
| 04:58.52 | vaxerdec | oh, this is nice. thanks |
| 04:58.54 | peterS | yeah or grep-available. for example: grep-available -FPackage -sDepends gimp-gnomevfs |
| 04:59.11 | peterS | -F "search in the Package field" -s "output the Depends field" |
| 04:59.25 | vaxerdec | this might be what i'm looking for. thanks greatly |
| 04:59.30 | peterS | no problem |
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| 04:59.55 | peterS | I must admit, I use them so seldom, I can never remember which is -F and which is -s, I have to either look it up or try both ways |
| 04:59.57 | vaxerdec | package management in general (any OS) still has kind of the problem where you have to sort of "know" the tools, it doesn't read your mind yet |
| 05:00.27 | vaxerdec | with tens of thousands (or more) packages and more every day, sorting through it all is difficult |
| 05:00.49 | peterS | quite so. which is a problem debtags tries to solve, hence grep-debtags.... |
| 05:00.53 | vaxerdec | often there is a package that does exactly what's wanted but you almost have to hear about it |
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| 05:01.10 | vaxerdec | yeah but it relies on accurate tagging |
| 05:01.18 | vaxerdec | ten it's a maintenance issue |
| 05:01.21 | vaxerdec | and people can be wrong, etc |
| 05:01.25 | peterS | well, it's crowdsourced |
| 05:01.36 | vaxerdec | oh really |
| 05:01.38 | peterS | so if you're one of those who believes in the wiki way, those problems should be trivial (: |
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| 05:01.51 | vaxerdec | well that does work, when it works ;-) |
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| 05:02.57 | vaxerdec | ok, this helps too, i did not know about this either |
| 05:03.13 | peterS | https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags for more info, naturally |
| 05:03.21 | vaxerdec | yeah, reading that one now |
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| 05:03.34 | vaxerdec | i knew about tags but thought the package maintainers put them there |
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| 05:03.51 | vaxerdec | i did notice a better quality to the tagging than redhat immediately |
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| 05:04.06 | vaxerdec | er, fedora |
| 05:04.19 | peterS | when I first heard about debtags my first thought was the same - shouldn't the maintainers maintain them? but as a maintainer I have to admit it has been nice to not worry about it (: |
| 05:04.46 | vaxerdec | yes, well crowdsourcing will change society in all sorts of ways |
| 05:04.56 | vaxerdec | only just beginning imo |
| 05:05.09 | vaxerdec | true direct democracy is possible |
| 05:05.14 | vaxerdec | for first time in history |
| 05:05.48 | vaxerdec | crowd-sourced realtime laws would be nice for example |
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| 05:06.22 | peterS | sounds to me like lynch mobs writ large |
| 05:06.31 | vaxerdec | that's the usual response |
| 05:06.43 | vaxerdec | of the elites that prefer to control it themselves |
| 05:07.15 | vaxerdec | but i noticed there was a debian-offtopic so i'll try not to stray here |
| 05:07.24 | peterS | ah indeed there is |
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| 05:07.57 | vaxerdec | debian itself is essentially organized crowdsourcing |
| 05:08.02 | peterS | was gonna say - the channel is idle enough that I wasn't too worried about a little bit of OT, but we don't want to discourage people from asking real questions because they see too much other chatter.. |
| 05:09.27 | vaxerdec | once citizenship comes with keys and the mechanism of government is open to all, we can each have 1/population vote for anything we want to vote on |
| 05:09.36 | vaxerdec | (keys meaning crypto) |
| 05:10.13 | vaxerdec | yes plus the spam to the poor folks catching up when they get back to their chairs |
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| 05:12.30 | peterS | I'll just say that you're right about the Debian project in a way, but this also points back to the reality that, even with a population almost universally technically literate, and plenty of people that are really good at scripting and automating anything that can be scripted and automated, actual project votes are still a very clumsy thing |
| 05:12.49 | peterS | so you might be a little optimistic about how easy it would be to hold arbitrary referendums of millions of people |
| 05:12.57 | vaxerdec | clumsy and slow is better than oligarchy and fast, i'll take it any day |
| 05:13.18 | vaxerdec | well people can simply designate a proxy if they don't want to vote |
| 05:13.33 | vaxerdec | so the traditional politician role doesn't even have to disappear |
| 05:14.01 | vaxerdec | representative democracy is fundamentally broken |
| 05:15.09 | peterS | I for one do not look forward to living in a world governed by opinions formed from soundbites as opposed to opinions formed from research. and I fear if everyone gets to vote on everything, that's what it will devolve to |
| 05:15.29 | vaxerdec | no, that's due to representative process |
| 05:15.39 | vaxerdec | people only have one chance to vote: on who the representative is |
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| 05:16.15 | vaxerdec | it is much harder to co-opt every citizen every time and dupe them all. people will start taking seriously their responsibility because suddenly they have actual power |
| 05:16.30 | peterS | that's a pretty optimistic view too |
| 05:16.31 | vaxerdec | s/and/than/ |
| 05:16.32 | Tricon | Anyone have any info on libimagemagick-dev missing /usr/bin/Magick-config? |
| 05:16.37 | Tricon | On Jessie? |
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| 05:17.23 | peterS | I don't even see a libimagemagick-dev at all |
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| 05:18.06 | Tricon | peterS: Sorry: libmagickcore-dev |
| 05:18.10 | vaxerdec | maybe refers to the pkgconfig |
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| 05:18.48 | Tricon | I just discovered this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758435 |
| 05:18.54 | Tricon | Yes: pkg-config. |
| 05:18.59 | vaxerdec | maybe graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat |
| 05:19.01 | peterS | yeah I don't know what 'Magick-config' is supposed to do but it does sound a lot like one of those little one-off scripts that pkgconfig is supposed to replace |
| 05:19.12 | Tricon | Gem expects Magick-config. |
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| 05:20.11 | vaxerdec | ugh |
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| 05:20.58 | Tricon | vaxerdec: Issue is that it gives me Magick-config, but the headers are different for building the rest of the gem.. |
| 05:21.06 | peterS | Tricon: anyway you can get answers to such questions from packages.debian.org: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=Magick-config&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 05:21.08 | Tricon | i.e. magic-wand.h vs MagicWand.h |
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| 05:21.56 | vaxerdec | Tricon: i just have foul taste of non-system packages, but that universe is getting smaller, not larger |
| 05:22.06 | vaxerdec | sorry, i meant reverse |
| 05:22.10 | vaxerdec | larger, not smaller |
| 05:22.13 | Tricon | peterS: I get a little closer (I get Magick-config), but the headers for GraphicsMagick are different than ImageMagick's. |
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| 05:22.39 | vaxerdec | it looks like every upstream is going to push their own bundles in the future, i don't like it |
| 05:23.12 | peterS | I dunno if it's actually worse today. I mean CTAN, CPAN, python eggs, etc, have been around for a long time |
| 05:23.24 | vaxerdec | yes, those always have had same issue |
| 05:24.09 | vaxerdec | i used to fight with people to at least package their gem/cpan/egg/foo so the package tool knows about it, but they don't listen. it's lost cause |
| 05:24.48 | peterS | well from the perspective of having to support multiple OSes, it does make sense to roll out something in your own little language community that you only have to support one of |
| 05:24.54 | vaxerdec | it looks like the future is the one-dir-per-app model |
| 05:25.05 | vaxerdec | yes, there's that |
| 05:25.07 | peterS | this is unfortunate because I agree that I'd far rather have OS-maanged everything |
| 05:25.41 | vaxerdec | well have you seen the redhat proposal to ship apps as serialized btrfs subvolumes? |
| 05:25.52 | peterS | gah. no. |
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| 05:26.03 | vaxerdec | yes, it's coming |
| 05:26.20 | vaxerdec | and guess from who... |
| 05:26.29 | peterS | vaxerdec: why not a wholly configured VM image while you're at it |
| 05:26.32 | franknight3 | is magicaly delicious. |
| 05:26.34 | peterS | not that I want to give anyone ideas |
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| 05:27.03 | peterS | Tricon: so there's some indication that libmagickcore-dev has a Magick-config. I'm too lazy to install it to see if that's actually up to date |
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| 05:27.29 | vaxerdec | peterS: it's insanity imo. but it's coming |
| 05:27.43 | peterS | Tricon: or wait, is that the package you were complaining about? maybe what I saw is wheezy-only |
| 05:28.37 | Tricon | Jessie libmagickcore-dev is basically empty. |
| 05:28.43 | Tricon | Just changelog, news, etc. |
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| 05:29.14 | peterS | so this serialized btrfs image ... probably being pushed by the maintainers of losetup and dmsetup? (: |
| 05:29.20 | vaxerdec | speaking of which, if i upgrade wheezy to jessie with dist-upgrade, will it change me to systemd? |
| 05:29.40 | peterS | yes it will, if you don't pay attention and do things in the appropriate order |
| 05:29.49 | vaxerdec | peterS: the "announce" i read was from a certain guy whose name starts with "lennart" |
| 05:29.51 | peterS | I mean, if you want that, great. if you don't, you have to pay attention |
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| 05:30.04 | peterS | oh so that's what you mean by "speaking of which" |
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| 05:31.19 | vaxerdec | peterS: same modus operandi... |
| 05:31.41 | vaxerdec | it's driven by commercialism imo |
| 05:31.50 | vaxerdec | it's just like SMIT crap from AIX |
| 05:31.51 | peterS | I think if you install systemd-shim before you dist-upgrade, it will leave your /sbin/init alone |
| 05:31.54 | peterS | but I haven't actually tried it |
| 05:31.55 | vaxerdec | same tactic |
| 05:32.08 | vaxerdec | wow serious, i'm glad i asked |
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| 05:32.17 | vaxerdec | i assumed it would not do something that dumb on an installed system |
| 05:32.28 | vaxerdec | new install, sure |
| 05:32.34 | peterS | hey hey, smit taught me a lot. there was a 'show command' button that would show the ksh code, which I would then incorporate into my own scripts |
| 05:32.43 | Tricon | Dist upgrades are always a little scary for me. Advantage of being able to clone a VM and test. |
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| 05:32.52 | vaxerdec | i just snapshot |
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| 05:33.06 | vaxerdec | same thing |
| 05:33.10 | Tricon | Clone for production. |
| 05:33.19 | vaxerdec | that's a good point |
| 05:33.27 | vaxerdec | actually i probably wouldnt' have bothered to snapshot |
| 05:33.46 | vaxerdec | now i will :-) thanks |
| 05:34.03 | peterS | I find I never really do things like dist-upgrade anyway. I run aptitude full screen and hit the U key then scroll through stuff to see what it wants to upgrade and how |
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| 05:34.18 | vaxerdec | peterS: yeah but the point was about all the ibm stuff requiring smit to do anything |
| 05:34.26 | Tricon | Well good news: Gem mini_magick installed just fine. Goodbye, RMagick. |
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| 05:34.37 | vaxerdec | peterS: sound familiar? big framework to admin the whole system at all levels? |
| 05:34.52 | peterS | there's a lot of things I didn't care for in AIX, but I always thought smit itself was harmless |
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| 05:34.58 | vaxerdec | peterS: giving them market advantage when admins use "their way" and not the competitor? |
| 05:35.16 | peterS | I liked it better than whats-it-called in HPUX to do roughly the same stuff |
| 05:35.28 | vaxerdec | it's a lock-in strategy, regardless of its technical perfection |
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| 05:35.55 | peterS | well, that's why system v splintered in the first place - I believe smit happened long after _that_ damage had been done |
| 05:35.57 | vaxerdec | but, at least if *everyone* uses it, and it's not proprietary, the argument is much diluted |
| 05:36.08 | Tricon | What was the mainframe that could order its own parts? |
| 05:36.23 | peterS | Tricon, any IBM S/360 series mainframe, I think |
| 05:36.30 | vaxerdec | hahaha |
| 05:36.37 | vaxerdec | they just send you a bill |
| 05:36.55 | vaxerdec | "well, we dunno, but the machine told us..." |
| 05:37.11 | peterS | well, the bill didn't have individual line items, I don't think, you were just paying a buttload for all-inclusive support |
| 05:37.21 | vaxerdec | yes and then some |
| 05:37.36 | vaxerdec | that model is dying |
| 05:37.53 | vaxerdec | but, when all the *mindshare* on the project team is controlled, they have "ported" the old model to open source |
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| 05:38.04 | vaxerdec | that's why all this One True Way BS is dangerous |
| 05:38.04 | Tricon | "Something wonderful has happened Your AMIGA is alive !!! and, even betterâ¦some of your disks are infected by a VIRUS !!! Another masterpiece of The Mega-Mighty SCA !!" |
| 05:38.09 | Tricon | Living mainframe reminds me of that. |
| 05:39.12 | Tricon | I miss the 80s. |
| 05:39.15 | vaxerdec | what is the shim for though? |
| 05:39.28 | vaxerdec | why can't you just init=/old/init |
| 05:39.42 | peterS | mostly so you can run logind and have it actually work, without systemd underneath it |
| 05:39.50 | vaxerdec | is that for gui stuff? |
| 05:40.08 | peterS | if you don't need logind (i.e., for gdm3 and the rest of gnome), you may not need systemd-shim either |
| 05:40.13 | peterS | for now |
| 05:40.15 | vaxerdec | ah ok good |
| 05:40.24 | vaxerdec | i just start X directly |
| 05:40.40 | vaxerdec | i don't need any of that junk |
| 05:40.50 | peterS | but anyway, if you do manage to get systemd-logind pulled in, it will also pull in systemd proper if you don't watch it carefully (so you can satisfy the dependency with systemd-shim) |
| 05:40.58 | Tricon | https://i.imgur.com/ONAA1.gif |
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| 05:41.16 | vaxerdec | hmm |
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| 05:41.29 | vaxerdec | well i am using some gtk apps sometimes so i imagine it will pull in all the rest indirectly |
| 05:41.33 | Luke-Jr | can anyone advise on if there's any way to get a secure ZeroMQ installed on Debian stable? :/ |
| 05:41.59 | vaxerdec | "secure?" |
| 05:42.21 | Luke-Jr | vaxerdec: yes, secure - unlike the package in testing which uses cleartext for everything.. |
| 05:43.01 | themill | Pointing to a specific bug number and specific package would help |
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| 05:43.40 | Luke-Jr | I guess bug 744969 ? |
| 05:43.58 | vaxerdec | Luke-Jr: i read that salt is ditching zeromq because it's too have to have "secure" zeromq |
| 05:44.05 | vaxerdec | too hard |
| 05:44.11 | Luke-Jr | doesn't know what 'salt' is |
| 05:44.16 | vaxerdec | saltstack |
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| 05:44.39 | Luke-Jr | anyhow, on my dev machine I run Gentoo and wrote all my code to work properly with secure ZeroMQ :x |
| 05:44.54 | Luke-Jr | only just now realised Debian is going to be a pain to get it on |
| 05:46.03 | peterS | so when I give iceweasel a URL that doesn't end in a TLD it recognizes, it assumes it should try with www. and .com around it, then complains when that doesn't exist |
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| 05:46.31 | peterS | have they never heard of (a) /etc/hosts, or (b) private networks ("intranets"), or (c) the 'search' line in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 05:46.43 | Luke-Jr | mentors.debian.net has some libsodium stuff, but it fails to build |
| 05:46.49 | vaxerdec | peterS: if i do dist-upgrade though, it can't replace the running init, or will it? i suppose telinit q re-execs itself by path? but it would get the old one |
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| 05:47.04 | peterS | I mean if you just try gethostbyname(), it will actually resolve the host in the URL I gave you. Just try it! I promise it will work! |
| 05:47.04 | Luke-Jr | http://codepad.org/zGuxvapZ |
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| 05:47.26 | peterS | vaxerdec: oh it can't replace the _running_ pid 1. just for next boot. |
| 05:47.39 | sss | hi |
| 05:47.59 | sss | Hi all |
| 05:48.37 | sss | hmm how to use linux |
| 05:48.53 | peterS | Luke-Jr: that's a bug, to be sure, but the workaround would be to tell dpkg-gensymbols to relax a bit. there's a severity flag you pass it, which turns warnings into errors basically, so in debian/rules you'd need to just adjust that flag |
| 05:49.01 | sss | i have some problem |
| 05:49.08 | vaxerdec | peterS: use a dot on the end? |
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| 05:49.28 | peterS | vaxerdec: but I'm not passing a full hostname. I'm relying on my /etc/resolv.conf 'search' line to complete the hostname. |
| 05:49.39 | vaxerdec | peterS: it doesn't use the libc resolver does it? |
| 05:49.49 | peterS | vaxerdec: iceweasel apparently hasn't heard of that feature, which is pretty newfangled I admit, dating back only to the 80s |
| 05:49.52 | vaxerdec | peterS: it uses some heuristic to figure out what you're doing i imagine |
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| 05:50.23 | peterS | like I said. If you just try gethostbyname(), I promise the URL I typed will be valid. don't just guess that it can't be because I didn't put in a FQDN ending in a TLD you know about. |
| 05:50.30 | vaxerdec | is this in some kind of omnibar? |
| 05:51.12 | peterS | this is in iceweasel. a web browser that thinks it is a lot smarter than I am. |
| 05:51.32 | vaxerdec | i think it just does not use gethostbyname, it has its own resolver routines and even those are not used unless it thinks it's a url |
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| 05:51.35 | peterS | silly user forgot to type .com at the end of his domain, let's fix that for him. Oh, the fixed host doesn't resolve. pity. |
| 05:51.54 | vaxerdec | peterS: have you traced it and confirmed it's using gethostbyname? |
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| 05:51.59 | peterS | no I have not |
| 05:52.05 | peterS | probably it is not. but WHY is it not? |
| 05:52.15 | vaxerdec | welcome to the web |
| 05:52.27 | peterS | and if it can't duplicate the fucntionality of gethostbyname, it should get off the pot |
| 05:52.38 | vaxerdec | it might call gethosebyname eventually |
| 05:52.41 | vaxerdec | host |
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| 05:52.49 | vaxerdec | but only if it thinks it's a url |
| 05:53.01 | peterS | sure, after it has fixed up my hostname to be more like what it expects I meant to type. Without ever checking to see if what I _did_ type actually works. |
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| 05:53.20 | vaxerdec | i just use elinks myself heh |
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| 05:53.36 | peterS | does anyone know if iceweasel has a setting for "be at least a little bit less condescending"? |
| 05:53.40 | themill | peterS: odd... which version of iceweasel is this? (it obeys /etc/hosts just fine for me here) |
| 05:53.42 | vaxerdec | it calls gethostbyname() :-) |
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| 05:54.17 | vaxerdec | peterS: have you tried submitting the same string to "getent hosts" ? |
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| 05:54.59 | vaxerdec | what is the url you're trying again? |
| 05:55.00 | peterS | vaxerdec: I hadn't thought of that, because I figured 'ping' was a reasonable proxy for it, but yes, that works fine |
| 05:55.13 | peterS | vaxerdec: I'm trying http://some-local-host:4010 |
| 05:55.27 | vaxerdec | ping does use same mechanism i believe |
| 05:55.39 | peterS | where resolv.conf includes 'search some.local.domain' and the combination some-local-host.some.local.domain very much exists |
| 05:56.11 | peterS | and yet iceweasel isn't willing to believe me that some-local-host will resolve, so it fixes it first. and lo and behold, there is no www.some-local-host.com |
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| 05:56.41 | vaxerdec | are you maybe using a "search service" or "prediction service?" perhaps some interaction with that |
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| 05:57.00 | peterS | I don't have any plugins installed that sound like that |
| 05:57.27 | vaxerdec | what happens with you add a trailing '.' to the URL? anything different? |
| 05:57.33 | vaxerdec | i mean to the domain in the URL |
| 05:57.40 | peterS | well if I add a trailing . then it would no longer be the right host, now, would it |
| 05:57.53 | vaxerdec | hrm, i see, it's unqualified |
| 05:57.55 | peterS | since then you're asking it _not_ to append from the 'domain' or 'search' parameters |
| 05:58.13 | vaxerdec | it probably thinks any unqualified name is fair game |
| 05:58.22 | vaxerdec | unless it's qualified with the "common" tlds |
| 05:58.23 | peterS | exactly. how do I tell it it is not as smart as it thinks? |
| 05:58.40 | vaxerdec | use uzbl or something, it probably doesn't do that |
| 05:58.53 | vaxerdec | try chromium? |
| 05:59.08 | vaxerdec | yeah, that would be annoying |
| 05:59.24 | peterS | well, the workaround is either to type an IP, or type the FQDN |
| 05:59.57 | peterS | but both of those are workarounds. computers shouldn't require workarounds. they should let you _use_ 'search' lines and DNS |
| 06:00.03 | vaxerdec | i don't use firefox myself, but try looking in the settings for some kind of prediction or spelling error or other kind of service, but you could lose the auto-complete menu |
| 06:00.13 | vaxerdec | spelling service i mean |
| 06:00.19 | vaxerdec | or bad domain service |
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| 06:00.41 | peterS | oh look at that. chromium works just fine. I'm sure it would try to second-guess me if my hostname didn't resolve, but it actually checks first! |
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| 06:01.45 | vaxerdec | yeah browsers are getting more and more like that |
| 06:01.50 | vaxerdec | they try to do everthing |
| 06:02.00 | vaxerdec | i long for gopher |
| 06:02.24 | vaxerdec | web becoming increasingly unusable without a full DOM and JS engine |
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| 06:03.04 | vaxerdec | both sides are running too many software layers |
| 06:03.30 | vaxerdec | and protocol layers to manage their interactions. what a mess |
| 06:03.41 | vaxerdec | i feel old |
| 06:04.05 | vaxerdec | i remember hearing old farts saying that when i was young and thinking how old they were |
| 06:04.44 | peterS | so the first 3 letters and the last 3 letters of your nick are related, yes? |
| 06:05.01 | vaxerdec | yeah but i didn't really use them |
| 06:05.04 | peterS | a company that no longer exists and a CPU that no longer exists? |
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| 06:05.44 | peterS | then again in their heyday I think they were better known as |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| |
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| 06:06.23 | peterS | (one of the easiest corporate logos to make quite recognisable in ascii art) |
| 06:06.28 | vaxerdec | well the tech lives on in ia64 a bit |
| 06:06.46 | peterS | there might be some alpha in there, I very much doubt there's any vax left |
| 06:06.58 | vaxerdec | vax was kind of before my time actually, i'm 35 |
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| 06:07.32 | peterS | also, "lives on" is maybe not entirely accurate when speaking of ia64 (: |
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| 06:07.44 | vaxerdec | i used to play a mud on bbs called tradewars2000 and there was a corp "vms paraphernalia" so i chose that nick. i was quite young |
| 06:07.54 | richac | there is not many people in the kde room |
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| 06:09.07 | peterS | I was never fond of VMS. but the VAX CPU was pretty cool back in the day. which was, alas, a little before my time too. |
| 06:09.14 | heurist | !ot |
| 06:09.14 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:09.25 | vaxerdec | richac: ok, ok |
| 06:09.29 | vaxerdec | er, heurist |
| 06:09.34 | richac | ? |
| 06:09.37 | vaxerdec | sorry |
| 06:09.41 | vaxerdec | meant for heurist |
| 06:09.47 | vaxerdec | he dinged us for being off topic :-) |
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| 06:10.21 | richac | so I notice debian only has 3.2 kernel, is it safe to upgrade? |
| 06:11.11 | heurist | richac: use the kernel from backports if you need a newer on. |
| 06:11.20 | heurist | dpkg: tell richac -about backports |
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| 06:11.32 | mayuresh | richac, think about "ubuntu server" if you want the latest and greatest stuff. |
| 06:11.37 | richac | heurist: i was going to try and compile 3.14 with grsecurity. do i have a chance? lol |
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| 06:11.52 | richac | mayuresh: ya i use mint |
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| 06:12.02 | richac | was going to use a debian to try and harden it |
| 06:12.04 | mayuresh | richac, oh, okay ... |
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| 06:12.19 | richac | but ya 3.2 kernel isn't running so well for me |
| 06:12.19 | mayuresh | richac, that's why i am suggesting "ubuntu server" |
| 06:12.32 | richac | ubuntu server? |
| 06:12.32 | heurist | dpkg: tell richac -about wheezy backports |
| 06:12.46 | peterS | yeah wheezy bp has 3.16.3 these days |
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| 06:12.48 | richac | debian seems like its easier to compile a kernel no? |
| 06:12.48 | mayuresh | richac, that debian uses selinux makes me very uncomfortable. :) |
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| 06:13.04 | vaxerdec | what is the 'bp' for, i wondered? |
| 06:13.09 | heurist | richac: compiling a kernel is not hard. you should not have issues compiling 3.14, grsec on the other hand may be more problematic. |
| 06:13.09 | richac | mayuresh: what do you mean? |
| 06:13.14 | peterS | 'backports' |
| 06:13.18 | vaxerdec | ahhh |
| 06:13.22 | richac | heurist: its going smooth on debian so far |
| 06:13.24 | mayuresh | richac, selinux has a lot to do with the folks at 'nsa' |
| 06:13.36 | richac | mayuresh: i trust the people on IRC less haha |
| 06:13.36 | vaxerdec | mayuresh: use tomoyo or smack |
| 06:13.47 | mayuresh | richac, "ubuntu server" on the other hand uses "apparmor" :) |
| 06:13.47 | vaxerdec | mayuresh: if you're worried about it |
| 06:13.59 | richac | mayuresh: yes i use it for all my network facing apps on mint |
| 06:14.01 | mayuresh | vaxerdec, sure, will take a peek |
| 06:14.05 | peterS | vaxerdec: often referred to as bpo since it used to be outside the debian archive proper, at backports.org. I think package version numbers still get 'bpo' in them. |
| 06:14.05 | richac | ubuntu has many premade profiles |
| 06:14.25 | richac | but i have not triled to compile mint kernel yet, even though they use generic should be easy I think |
| 06:14.34 | mayuresh | cool |
| 06:14.44 | mayuresh | richac, all the best. :) |
| 06:14.48 | richac | i'm going to install selinux on debian, i'm sorry for that lol |
| 06:14.51 | mayuresh | vaxerdec, thanks for the tip. :) |
| 06:14.59 | mayuresh | i gotta go for a meeting |
| 06:15.03 | vaxerdec | are maintainers still required to provide sysv scripts or...? |
| 06:15.06 | vaxerdec | i mean for jessie |
| 06:15.13 | richac | mayuresh: apparmor has no maintainers anymore |
| 06:15.22 | peterS | vaxerdec: not required to - but I think most people aren't going to just drop the scripts they already have |
| 06:15.26 | peterS | or not right away |
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| 06:16.13 | vaxerdec | maybe i go to bsd, heh |
| 06:16.19 | peterS | they do have to support upgrades, which means if you upgrade their package and it doesn't start because you haven't rebooted into systemd yet ... I suppose that'd be a bug |
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| 06:16.37 | richac | vaxerdec: i think bsd will def not support my hardware well lol |
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| 06:16.57 | vaxerdec | richac: what hardware is that? |
| 06:17.38 | richac | nvidia 650ti |
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| 06:18.02 | vaxerdec | well, there were a lot of folks seemed mad about systemd, i wonder if there are enough to make sure non-systemd is still first-class citizen. hope so. |
| 06:18.21 | vaxerdec | i mean for debian anyways |
| 06:18.38 | peterS | one of the disgruntled is steve langasek, who works for ubuntu and is involved with upstart. so I assume that's why he maintains systemd-shim. |
| 06:18.40 | vaxerdec | richac: ah nvidia, yeah i would never get one due to the hardware support |
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| 06:19.16 | peterS | (works for canonical, even. but what's the difference really.) |
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| 06:21.27 | vaxerdec | i ran upstart on fedora manually until 19-ish but it was too much effort, i said screw this and switched to debian. a month later they voted to make systemd the default going forward :-( |
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| 06:23.20 | peterS | if I can find the energy, next April 1 I will post an announcement of a new systemd-printfd daemon. so your OS can centrally manage all your string formatting needs, instead of each app having to do all that itself. |
| 06:23.39 | vaxerdec | peterS: awesome, that will make it easier to maintain |
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| 06:24.31 | peterS | well the problem is that if you change your locale, that should affect certain printf formats (like whether to use "." or "," for decimal numbers). But running apps won't pick up your change until you restart them! systemd-printfd will solve this problem, all such settings can take effect immediately. |
| 06:25.40 | richac | i switched from fedora to mint and now trying out debian |
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| 06:26.07 | vaxerdec | anyways that is lost battle so... |
| 06:26.08 | peterS | apps can just talk to printfd over dbus, which of course does require you to serialize various data types back and forth, but, you know, minor complications |
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| 06:26.32 | franknight3 | It's another slow night... |
| 06:27.20 | vaxerdec | peterS: i have a dbus-based 'ls' utility. the command line agent talks to the directory listing agent over dbus. it was slow so we put it in the kernel. |
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| 06:27.43 | peterS | sounds awesome |
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| 06:27.52 | vaxerdec | i'm going to get whacked for OT again i better stop |
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| 06:28.07 | peterS | well I need to stop anyway, it's well past my bedtime |
| 06:28.22 | richac | dam I hit an error |
| 06:28.23 | vaxerdec | peterS: thanks for your help, great tool you mentionec. |
| 06:28.27 | peterS | (I'm 2 hours ahead of you, if your RDNS is any indication) |
| 06:28.40 | vaxerdec | peterS: central? |
| 06:28.40 | peterS | no problem, just glad I knew about grep-dctrl and friends |
| 06:28.43 | peterS | yes |
| 06:28.50 | richac | No such file or directory at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 984. |
| 06:29.21 | richac | oh no not the my gcc doesn't support plugins thing |
| 06:29.45 | vaxerdec | oh, that reminds me, howcome i try to run 'perf foo' and it needs linux-tools-1.2.3 but i have to install linux-tools-1.2.3, linux-tools itself does not pull it in? is my config wrong? |
| 06:30.20 | peterS | probably because you can install multiple kernel packages - the dependency system doesn't have any way to know about, or express, which kerenl is _running_ right now |
| 06:30.22 | vaxerdec | so any time the kernel is upgraded i have to manually install linux-tools-new ? |
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| 06:30.56 | richac | is there a gcc-plugin-devel package for debian? |
| 06:31.14 | peterS | vaxerdec: anyway if you upgrade linux-image and linux-tools together, they will both depend on the same version of kernel and tools |
| 06:31.27 | peterS | that's about the best that can be done within the package system |
| 06:31.31 | vaxerdec | ah so it's because i hadn't had it installed yet, i see |
| 06:31.40 | vaxerdec | subsequent will be ok. cool then |
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| 06:32.06 | vaxerdec | peterS: goodnight, try not to dream about SMIT |
| 06:32.20 | peterS | and by linux-image I mean linux-image-amd64 |
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| 06:32.52 | peterS | which simply depends on a more specific versioned kernel package, much like linux-tools does (both metapackages are from the same source, actually, so they stay in sync) |
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| 06:32.57 | vaxerdec | so what's a good channel for grumpy old sysadmins? |
| 06:33.26 | peterS | dunno, #openbsd maybe? anyway, |
| 06:33.27 | peterS | away |
| 06:33.49 | richac | ok i'm trying to install this package but it is telling me to insert a cdrom? |
| 06:33.58 | richac | why is it asking that? |
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| 06:38.14 | shingouz | because you have not configured apt to work off the network? |
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| 06:41.12 | richac | shingouz: i was using apt all day, it just changed for some reason, very strange |
| 06:41.27 | richac | i guess i'm compromised right off the bat lol |
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| 06:41.32 | richac | wow |
| 06:41.49 | shingouz | richac: what is the exact package you are trying to install? |
| 06:42.04 | nzoie | could someone help me debug a crash (the computer just shuts down under heavy load)? i think it's a kernel panic, as i have found: http://pastebin.com/cFW2a5ja around the time of the crash (not sure if it's at the time of the crash, or right on the next reboot) |
| 06:42.07 | richac | i got it fixed, i had to comment out the drom line aptsources |
| 06:42.11 | richac | weird |
| 06:42.14 | nzoie | (i'm using debian unstable) |
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| 06:42.24 | richac | i' still having an issue though, my gcc version does not support plugins for compiling this kernel |
| 06:42.32 | shingouz | richac: it usually has to be commented out |
| 06:43.05 | richac | shingouz: it already was, there was a duplicate line added |
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| 06:43.13 | richac | i dn't know how that could of happened |
| 06:43.37 | shingouz | richac: how about an update/upgrade cycle for the whole box. apt-cdrom (iirc) addds it |
| 06:44.15 | richac | shingouz: apt-cdrom? |
| 06:44.46 | shingouz | exactly what it sounds like :O |
| 06:44.52 | shingouz | :) even |
| 06:45.25 | richac | how can i update my gcc to support plugins |
| 06:45.32 | shingouz | nzoie: that is from the boot |
| 06:46.19 | shingouz | richac: not sure, are you running the latest and greatest version available for yor system? |
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| 06:46.39 | nzoie | shingouz: yes looks like so; nothing was logged during the crash a few minutes earlier |
| 06:47.02 | shingouz | !tell richac about apt-cdrom |
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| 06:48.09 | shingouz | nzoie: if the box has been working normally before and you have not installed/changed anything on it before it suddenly started to crash, do a memtest on it, some of the ram might have packed it in |
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| 06:49.17 | nzoie | shingouz: it's a new computer (not crashing under windows) |
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| 06:50.24 | richac | crossing fingers it looks like its working |
| 06:50.29 | DarsVaeda | hi I get "bad variable name" with this script http://pastebin.com/XdNhW1Uw but only when run through cron, if I run it on the shell manually it runs just fine |
| 06:50.51 | shingouz | nzoie: i have seen bad ram on computers that are able to run windows crash on linux. |
| 06:50.51 | richac | i think it was gcc 4.7 was minimum version i needed |
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| 06:51.16 | richac | oh wow its compiling awsome |
| 06:51.21 | DarsVaeda | ahh sorry the last line shouldn't be "foo" but "PASSPHRASE" |
| 06:51.33 | richac | shingouz: are you saying apt-cdrom is loading at boot or something? |
| 06:51.47 | richac | i'm pretty sure i've been booted for a while and was installing packages earlier |
| 06:51.57 | richac | i think someone hacked me on a 2 hour fresh debian install |
| 06:52.00 | richac | lol |
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| 06:52.24 | nzoie | shingouz: ok thanks for the suggestion i will try a memtest |
| 06:52.50 | shingouz | richac: nope, i am just saying that apt-cdrom can configure your sources.list for installing off the cdrom. |
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| 06:53.04 | richac | ya well it was working earlier |
| 06:53.11 | richac | it suddenly stopped by itself man sorry to say |
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| 06:53.40 | richac | but the kernel is compiling lol |
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| 06:54.07 | richac | so far compiling a kernel was smoothest on debian |
| 06:54.16 | richac | no contest |
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| 06:54.47 | richac | besides the mysterious all of a sudden i coudln't paste or install packages anymore lol |
| 06:55.01 | shingouz | nzoie: if that turns out blank, you could try some burn-in software to really work the computer and see if that triggers the crash just to rule out flaky hardware. it also might be that the hungriest program you were running before the crash has a bug in it |
| 06:55.46 | shingouz | richac: maybe you had been editing the sources list and made a simple oopsie with a copypaste there |
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| 06:56.22 | nzoie | shingouz: hmm maybe, i didn't write it, it's a sat solver |
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| 06:57.16 | shingouz | nzoie: occasionally some process can be so flaky that it crashes the whole system... |
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| 06:58.22 | richac | shingouz: no i never touched it |
| 06:58.39 | richac | i was installing packages |
| 06:58.52 | richac | and browsing |
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| 06:59.48 | shingouz | just guessing here but.. maybe one of the packages does something weird and wonderful |
| 06:59.56 | richac | it could be |
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| 07:00.21 | shingouz | why it would do that is beyond me, though |
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| 07:00.58 | richac | i really didn't install much |
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| 07:01.04 | richac | i installed konversation |
| 07:01.12 | shingouz | also, why would anyone break into your new two-hour old computer to add a cdrom line in the sources.list beats me |
| 07:01.14 | richac | and some packages to compile this kernel |
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| 07:01.33 | richac | shingouz: playing games I guess |
| 07:01.53 | richac | how is the question lol |
| 07:02.15 | richac | i even unchecked print server at installation |
| 07:02.21 | shingouz | you *do* know that if you suspect someone breaking in, you really should nuke the whole install and redo it just to be on the safe side? |
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| 07:02.36 | richac | shingouz: ya but i'd be doing that everday then |
| 07:02.51 | shingouz | hehe |
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| 07:03.16 | shingouz | anything on the access logs? |
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| 07:04.17 | richac | i was just looking at app logs to see what I installed |
| 07:05.09 | richac | etherape, lm-sensors, apt-cacher, fakeroot, kernel-package, vim, libncurses5-dev, gcc4.6, 4.7, libquadmath0-dbg libmudflap0-dbg binutils-gold libgmp10-doc libmpfr-dev |
| 07:05.34 | shingouz | the apt-cacher might do it |
| 07:05.41 | richac | hmm |
| 07:05.51 | richac | let me see what order i did itin |
| 07:06.16 | shingouz | ...i mean, it is logical... |
| 07:06.32 | richac | well 3 mins late ri installed fakeroot and kernel package |
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| 07:07.42 | richac | oh yes thats right i had an interruption |
| 07:07.50 | richac | and i had to type a command to fix it |
| 07:07.58 | richac | Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2 |
| 07:08.15 | richac | then it informed me of a command to type in |
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| 07:08.38 | richac | and there were alot more dependencies that got installed then what I listed |
| 07:08.47 | shingouz | ahh... so the mystery begins to unravel. you managed to hack yourself |
| 07:08.52 | richac | it wasn't me |
| 07:08.55 | richac | i was installing a package |
| 07:09.06 | richac | it got interrupted and stopped as it was downloading or something |
| 07:09.18 | richac | then the system informed me to type in a certain command manually to fix the issue |
| 07:09.29 | richac | i can't remember the command, but it was after that error |
| 07:09.45 | richac | so basically i typed that command, then downloaded the package again with success |
| 07:09.51 | richac | but what caused the interruption? |
| 07:09.59 | shingouz | probably apt-get install -f, should be in your bash history |
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| 07:11.22 | shingouz | most possibly network timeout that caused apt not being able to download all the necessary files. might also be that you manually specified some package combination that needs a bit more installed. a minor bug, in other words |
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| 07:11.39 | richac | shingouz: sounds reasonable |
| 07:11.48 | richac | so that could change the source list? |
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| 07:12.42 | shingouz | richac: i have never installed apt-cacher so i do not know. it sounds logical that it might alter the sources.list though |
| 07:12.46 | richac | maybe the source list got created again or something? |
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| 07:13.16 | richac | there were two cdrom lines. the top one was commented out....i deleted the second line to fix it |
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| 07:13.52 | shingouz | most probably. as i said, never played with apt-cacher myself |
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| 07:16.05 | heurist | richac: I have not been following this, but if you installed from an iso image (CD, DVD, or USB) it adds a cdrom line to sources.list during install, for some reason it often comments that line out and then adds it again (uncommented) |
| 07:16.27 | richac | heurist: weird |
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| 07:22.01 | richac | i'm not seeing the command in my bash logs |
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| 07:22.25 | richac | i'm not even seeing the commands i used to compile this kernel, maybe it only logs after i close the termina? |
| 07:22.39 | illy | nope |
| 07:22.45 | illy | should be instant |
| 07:22.49 | illy | type in "history" ? |
| 07:23.26 | illy | this happens to me aswell when runing multiple terminals (always) |
| 07:23.29 | richac | illy: well the terminal i'm using is still busy compiling |
| 07:23.35 | illy | never actually botherd to check why |
| 07:23.40 | illy | open a new one |
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| 07:23.43 | richac | i'm trying to find a command i typed in terminal earlier |
| 07:23.55 | illy | there is a shortcut |
| 07:23.58 | illy | ctrl+n or what was it |
| 07:24.05 | illy | that recals last commands |
| 07:24.34 | richac | its not showing them all |
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| 07:26.33 | franknight3 | heh heh |
| 07:27.06 | illy | http://sharadchhetri.com/2014/01/09/30-useful-linux-terminal-keyboard-shortcuts/ |
| 07:27.14 | illy | & history |
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| 07:32.00 | richac | this is the command i had to type dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:32.42 | richac | it happened after installing fakeroot and kernel-package |
| 07:32.59 | richac | that error |
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| 07:34.00 | richac | i'm an idiot |
| 07:34.08 | richac | make-kpkg clean lol |
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| 07:34.15 | richac | ^ that has to be what did it right? |
| 07:34.29 | illy | no idea what happend |
| 07:34.50 | shingouz | mmmm... no. that cleans up the source tree before a new kernel package compile |
| 07:34.51 | richac | it reset my sources and appended everything under the comments |
| 07:34.59 | richac | shingouz: oh ok.... |
| 07:35.00 | richac | lol |
| 07:35.17 | richac | what about dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 07:35.43 | richac | shingouz: that is the command i had to type after getting the error |
| 07:35.51 | illy | what error? |
| 07:36.00 | shingouz | the dpkg --configure -a can do something. it should, it is configuring all the packages still in an unconfigured state |
| 07:36.19 | richac | illy: Error Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2 |
| 07:36.53 | illy | while trying to do what? |
| 07:37.01 | richac | well no cause I did then install libncurses5-dev after that |
| 07:37.04 | illy | u got multiarch installed? |
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| 07:37.16 | richac | illy: then i started compiling a kernel |
| 07:37.27 | illy | i c |
| 07:37.41 | richac | and noticed when trying to install some last dependencies i needed, it was asking me for cdrom instead of downloading from online sources |
| 07:38.06 | richac | so last thing I did before last install was start building kernel |
| 07:38.41 | richac | and make-kpkg clean, export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL, then fakeroot make-kpkg |
| 07:38.55 | illy | i have never done such things |
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| 07:39.04 | richac | so if none of those 3 commands don't change the sources list, then something is fishy |
| 07:39.13 | shingouz | and before the kernel complile, you did the dpkg --configure -a, no installs after that? |
| 07:39.13 | illy | and i have reinstalled/installed a lot of different systems |
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| 07:39.26 | illy | pretty str8 forward on arch |
| 07:39.44 | richac | shingouz: yes i realized i did one more install after that, the last install was libncurses5-dev |
| 07:39.53 | richac | then those 3 commands |
| 07:39.56 | zetheroo | one of our debian machines has the wrong time ... how can I force it to update it's time? |
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| 07:40.40 | richac | then i got error and started to try to update my gcc package, and thats when i noticed i coudln't download packages anymore |
| 07:40.41 | petn-randall | zetheroo: The easiest way is to run ntpd, assuming that machine is allowed to access a NTP server via network. |
| 07:41.03 | richac | not a package error, but missing dependency to make kernel |
| 07:41.12 | richac | and then i noticed i could no longer install packages |
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| 07:42.36 | zetheroo | petn-randall: is that like doing /etc/init.d/ntp start ? |
| 07:43.06 | shingouz | richac: let me get this straight. first you install stuff and dpkg gets interrupted. then dpkg --configure -a, then install libncurses, then try to compile, get error from gcc, try to update gcc but errors out on the network? |
| 07:43.22 | richac | shingouz: yes |
| 07:43.40 | richac | it starts telling me to insert cd, and i go wtf? |
| 07:44.06 | richac | then the issue was an added cdrom line in sources list |
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| 07:44.56 | richac | shingouz: letm me make sure i'm positive on this one sec |
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| 07:45.09 | shingouz | i still suspect the apt-cacher. if you have a hunch that the box has really been compromised, nuke and reinstall to be safe |
| 07:45.11 | richac | i can pastebin my history lol |
| 07:45.27 | richac | shingouz: well thats what i'm trying to find out |
| 07:45.27 | shingouz | other than that, i am pretty much stumped.... |
| 07:45.34 | petn-randall | zetheroo: If it's installed, yes. Otherwise you can install it with apt-get. |
| 07:45.38 | richac | so you don't think it was make-kpkg clean? |
| 07:45.42 | shingouz | no |
| 07:46.33 | richac | is it dangerous to install fakeroot? |
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| 07:46.46 | themill | no |
| 07:47.07 | richac | i don't know pretty weird |
| 07:47.07 | shingouz | richac: the only logical thing would be that apt-cacher changed the sources.list. other than that, beats me. |
| 07:47.17 | richac | yes but i was installing stuff after that |
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| 07:47.41 | richac | then fakeroot kernel package had an error, and i had to do dpkg --configure -a and try again |
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| 07:48.39 | richac | i'm going to paste my history lol |
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| 07:48.54 | illy | richac: |
| 07:49.00 | illy | sounds like ur runing CentOS |
| 07:49.01 | shingouz | maybe that error was because of the changed sources.list. if dpkg cannot get the stuff from where it expects to find it, it barfs with the exact results you describe |
| 07:49.04 | illy | with all those problems |
| 07:49.05 | illy | kekekekkekeke |
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| 07:49.52 | richac | god i forgot to disable services |
| 07:50.10 | richac | oh hmm |
| 07:50.35 | richac | here is my history http://pastebin.com/BCvh7KpP |
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| 07:51.01 | richac | i just realized i never disabled services like I should of |
| 07:51.14 | zetheroo | petn-randall: well it's installed and running ... but no change |
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| 07:52.45 | richac | shingouz: after looking again apt-cache search linux-image ? |
| 07:53.03 | petn-randall | zetheroo: Can you paste the output of 'ntpq -p' to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 07:54.45 | shingouz | richac: i must say i am stumped. i could try to install the apt-cacher for shits and giggles, see what it does. before i even attempt that, i will need some caffeine. back shortly |
| 07:54.57 | richac | yuo might be right |
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| 07:55.08 | richac | maybe it was nott the installatino of apt-cache, but a bug with the use of it |
| 07:55.09 | richac | ? |
| 07:55.21 | illy | what is apt cacher anyway |
| 07:55.22 | richac | some random thing? i dunno man it weirded me out |
| 07:55.38 | richac | and then if you notice. i was no longer able to type in the terminal, and then paste text aftewards |
| 07:55.47 | richac | which is what happened on line 97, and 99, which i wasn't realizing |
| 07:55.57 | richac | also bizarre and mysterious lol |
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| 07:56.18 | richac | i was typing apt-get install and then those lines.....but then apt-get install was dissappearing without me realizing it after i pasted |
| 07:56.39 | richac | online 100 i realized, and after pasting, moved back to beignning of line and added it |
| 07:56.53 | illy | so |
| 07:57.00 | illy | ur sayig that u didnt type "hafl" of those commands |
| 07:57.04 | illy | in the terminal? |
| 07:57.07 | illy | try "last root" |
| 07:57.27 | illy | and soon after rm -rf / |
| 07:57.31 | richac | i typoed all of them, except the package combinations on lines 97, 99 and 100 lol |
| 07:57.32 | illy | =P |
| 07:57.50 | illy | well sombody had to type them |
| 07:57.55 | richac | debian did |
| 07:58.02 | richac | the debian bot haha |
| 07:58.04 | illy | wouldnt come up in the terminal log then |
| 07:58.11 | heurist | !enter |
| 07:58.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 07:58.16 | richac | it was "suggested" packages |
| 07:58.26 | richac | by the package manger so i installed them, |
| 07:58.31 | richac | what i really needed though was the gcc 4.7 |
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| 08:01.34 | richac | night all |
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| 08:04.06 | zetheroo | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/125104/ |
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| 08:05.58 | shingouz | oh, fsck this. i am getting the fugly ncurses interface when installing somehting, what was it again that i had to reconfigure to get the text output for the configuration during and apt-get install? |
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| 08:06.43 | heurist | shingouz: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 08:08.56 | shingouz | heurist: thanks, man |
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| 08:17.50 | petn-randall | zetheroo: That looks to me like the time in synchronized. Maybe you have the wrong timezone set? |
| 08:18.20 | zetheroo | I am in Switzerland .. |
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| 08:18.43 | petn-randall | zetheroo: You can change that by running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata'. |
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| 08:19.20 | m0ngrel | anyone know how to fix a no audio issue (beeping) in an irc client on debian wheezy? |
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| 08:19.36 | afx237 | For some reason, windows 8 created my partition table as GPT, even though the HDD is only 160gb. I want to dual boot with wheezy, but the debian installer doesn't see the existing GPT partitions, just a completely empty drive. Should I a) try and convert the existing partition table to MBR (I don't want to have to reinstall windoze) -or- b) try to figure out how to make the debian installer place nice with the existing GPT table? Anyone got any |
| 08:19.37 | afx237 | ideas? Thanks. |
| 08:19.54 | petn-randall | zetheroo: You also have a good uplink as far as I can see :) |
| 08:19.55 | zetheroo | petn-randall: oh my - that did it!! |
| 08:19.56 | zetheroo | :) |
| 08:20.05 | zetheroo | Thanks a heap |
| 08:20.06 | petn-randall | zetheroo: You're welcome, glad I could help :) |
| 08:20.18 | zetheroo | is that permanent now? |
| 08:20.24 | zetheroo | or will it change after a reboot? |
| 08:20.37 | petn-randall | zetheroo: Yes, that'll stay that way through reboots. |
| 08:21.01 | zetheroo | great - thanks |
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| 08:21.46 | Iridos | dpkg gpt |
| 08:21.46 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 08:22.10 | Iridos | not too enlightening |
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| 08:23.05 | heurist | afx237: gpt has always just worked for me, even in the installer. not sure that issue you are having. |
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| 08:25.03 | afx237 | Hmm ok thanks acemi & heurist. The odd thing here is that I did pretty much exactly the same set up a couple of weeks ago, same netbook, with the same win8 CD, and windows didn't create GPT that time (I think, or at least I didn't have this problem). Must have been a windows update the changed it or something now. Maybe the issue is something else then if debian should be fine with GPT. |
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| 08:25.25 | petn-randall | afx237: I know it works for most people, I installed wheezy on my GPT (and UEFI) machine a while back. Is maybe UEFI involved? They are somewhat related. |
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| 08:26.33 | franknight3 | is a hot robot looking for a hot bot girlie |
| 08:26.56 | afx237 | petn-randall: I think I've got UEFI switched off in bios at the moment, but I haven't changed the setting since the last successful installs. I'll try fiddling with bios and see if that helps. |
| 08:26.56 | Incantation | a hottie with a bottie? |
| 08:27.38 | afx237 | are there any downsides to using GPT if i don't "need" it? (i.e. under 2tb) |
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| 08:28.42 | acemi | afx237: if you switched off UEFI after intalling windows, maybe that will cause the problem |
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| 08:29.20 | afx237 | acemi: na haven't changed it at all, ever |
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| 08:35.39 | petn-randall | afx237: You shouldn't change UEFI/legacy mode after installation of Windows, that'll make it unbootable. I recommend using UEFI though, it does have some perks. That being said, you could boot a live image, and check what gparted says about your system. Maybe the partition table is in a way broken. |
| 08:36.02 | afx237 | Just tried switching the UEFI bios setting on, didn't help, still just an empty drive. Dropping to a shell I can see the NTFS partitions there in fdisk, even though it warns it's not compatible with GPT. Strange problem considering Debian should be ok with GPT. |
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| 08:36.29 | afx237 | petn-randall: ok thanks. yeah time to give it a look with gparted. |
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| 08:40.16 | Iridos | afx237, as the factoid said... use parted instead of fdisk |
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| 08:43.01 | afx237 | Iridos: yeah downloading sysrescuecd now to take a look. parted isn't available from the debian install cd. |
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| 08:44.26 | Iridos | not? I thought using it was one of the options the installer gives you during install. |
| 08:45.23 | afx237 | Iridos: ah in the actual install process? i didn't notice it, i was trying on command line. |
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| 08:50.30 | petn-randall | afx237: fdisk only operates on MSDOS partition tables, not on GPT. |
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| 08:51.11 | heurist | afx237: gdisk is the gpt equivalent. |
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| 08:52.15 | afx237 | petn-randall: yeah i know, just thought it was interesting that despite that, it still saw the partitions, but the installer didn't. probably is some corruption issue or something. |
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| 08:53.31 | afx237 | parted is giving me the following warning, so something is screwy with it: contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table? |
| 08:53.45 | petn-randall | afx237: Maybe you have an empty GPT, but a MSDOS partition table with partition in it? That would explain that behaviour. |
| 08:54.24 | petn-randall | afx237: Answer "yes" and see what it shows. You can then restart it and click "no" to see the contents of the MSDOS partition table. |
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| 08:55.13 | bariho | when should I use apt-get upgrade and when apt-get dist-upgrade? (man apt-get only says what they do, but not what to use in what situations) |
| 08:55.20 | afx237 | petn-randall: when i answer yes or no, it shows an empty table |
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| 08:55.40 | afx237 | i'll boot up a live cd gparted and see if it suggests some fix |
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| 08:56.25 | petn-randall | bariho: "apt-get upgrade" will only upgrade existing packages to newer ones. "dist-upgrade" will upgrade packages, even if it needs to remove some to achieve that. |
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| 08:57.06 | petn-randall | bariho: "upgrade" you usually use to keep you existing release current. "dist-upgrade" is usually used to transition from one release to the next. |
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| 09:00.15 | bariho | petn-randall: thank you |
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| 09:02.58 | petn-randall | bariho: You're welcome! If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. We also have well written documentation I can point you to if you're interested in some in-depth reading into Debian. |
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| 09:41.03 | Brain | hmm |
| 09:41.23 | Brain | how come whenever i install a debian machine if i use "guided lvm, use entire disk" as my partitioning scheme, it doesnt actually /use/ the entire disk? |
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| 09:41.33 | Brain | instead, i always get the worlds smallest /boot partition, like 200mb, ext2. |
| 09:41.41 | Brain | when i know full well you CAN boot off lvm |
| 09:41.55 | Brain | makes ita pain in the ass, have to delete old kernels every now and again |
| 09:42.29 | SynrGy | apparently you have a different expectations for 'guided' and 'use entire disk' ... |
| 09:42.38 | SynrGy | guided handles the normal cases |
| 09:42.45 | SynrGy | if you want something else, don't use that. |
| 09:42.48 | heurist | Brain: if you know better than the install use "manual partitioning" I have not used guided in decades. |
| 09:43.00 | Brain | what can i say, i'm lazy |
| 09:43.10 | Brain | but, if the scheme doesnt actually /use/ the entire disk, maybe it should be renamed? :P |
| 09:43.11 | SynrGy | so you want the default to be adjusted for your laziness? |
| 09:43.28 | SynrGy | old kernels are subject to autoremoval. a "normal" install has those cleaned up. automatically |
| 09:43.34 | Brain | that way, its obvious to everyone that you wont actually get one partition, you'll get something else |
| 09:44.01 | Brain | SynrGy: ive never had the system offer to autoremove a kernel, maybe they dont get old enough before /boot fills |
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| 09:45.12 | Brain | i think it might be a percentage though, rather than a fixed 200mb |
| 09:45.30 | Brain | as i remember installing debian on a machine with a 12gb disk (yes really) and ending up with like a 35mb /boot, which was painful |
| 09:46.18 | SynrGy | in any case, this is unlikely to be addressed for stable. if you want to know what the next stable will do, maybe try the beta 2 installer for jessie, just to test ... |
| 09:46.20 | heurist | Brain: on this 2 year old system my /boot is only using 46Mb, 200 is "normally enough" (TM) your use case is not normal. |
| 09:46.39 | afx237 | petn-randall: turns out this partition table was MBR/msdos all along. parted on sysrescuecd sees it fine with no warnings or anything, lets me create a partition in the empty space. parted on the debian install cd gives that GPT warning from earlier, and can't see the partitions at all. |
| 09:46.43 | SynrGy | see if it has any 'saner' defaults (according to your expectations) |
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| 09:47.14 | Brain | i suppose, this is a fresh install and one kernel takes 18mb in /boot, at 199mb /boot that gives space for about 10 kernels |
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| 09:47.24 | Brain | which is more than most people would ever need |
| 09:47.37 | Brain | generally, theres one active, and one or two to roll back to in case of breakage |
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| 09:48.21 | Brain | SynrGy: i did have a go with jessie yesterday. i hit a snag i couldnt fix, and decided that for now i had to get the server back up asap rather than mess around |
| 09:48.31 | Brain | it wouldnt let me progress past some prompt for iscsi |
| 09:48.38 | SynrGy | sure. and i wasn't suggesting doing that for a production system, of course |
| 09:48.39 | Brain | but when i get time, i'll come back to that :) |
| 09:49.38 | Brain | btw, is it true that generally unstable is more stable than testing, due to the way packages are pushed into testing? |
| 09:50.11 | Brain | i was told that because of the way theyre pushed to jessie, sometimes important deps are missed and i was advised that if i want to play with new stuff to use unstable, not testing, for that reason |
| 09:50.23 | Brain | but the same guy who told me is hiding out in stable until everything settles down with systemd |
| 09:50.28 | SynrGy | i don't know where you're getting your information. maybe you should read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 09:50.39 | Brain | yeah, what ive been told doesnt match that |
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| 09:51.08 | SynrGy | some people have the wrong idea "more stable" means "less problems that annoy me, personally" |
| 09:51.11 | SynrGy | it's not the same thing. |
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| 09:51.29 | SynrGy | stable vs. unstable has to do only with rate of change. |
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| 09:52.06 | SynrGy | stable is stable because it doesn't change very much. unstable is unstable because it's constantly changing. testing is somewhere between (a lot more changes than stable, but less than unstable) |
| 09:52.13 | Brain | to be honest, ive always ran stable and never had any problems |
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| 09:52.31 | Brain | back in the day i ran gentoo, and had nothing /but/ problems, day in day out. it drove me nuts |
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| 09:52.42 | SynrGy | any other use of the words 'stable' and 'unstable' with respect to the debian archives are personal definitions |
| 09:52.52 | SynrGy | and don't match how we in the project use those words |
| 09:52.52 | Brain | and when i ran freebsd i never had problems, but updating was a chore, unlike apt |
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| 09:53.47 | Brain | in fact, in 3 years now of running debian ive only had one problem, caused by my own silliness, i lost all my horde config because i edited the non-local version of the conf file and apt-get upgrade overwrote it |
| 09:53.56 | shingouz | !sid |
| 09:53.56 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 09:54.47 | shingouz | and that is about what can be said about unstable. it *does* bork once in a while and it *does* make you jump through hoops to get it back into working condition again |
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| 10:00.43 | SynrGy | Brain: anyway, wrt your original complaint, there may have historically been some scenarios where a separate partition was still needed when LVM was selected. "whole disk" was accurate, within the constraints of the options you chose. |
| 10:01.02 | SynrGy | and there may be, for all i know, still some good reasons to arrange it that way with stable. |
| 10:01.52 | SynrGy | the reason to compare against jessie is to see if this is still the case. and then if you find it is, and you don't like that, you should see if there's any bug filed about it, current or closed ... and if closed without fixing, see if the maintainer gave any reason it wouldn't be fixed. |
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| 10:02.18 | SynrGy | or else if you think there's some legitimate bug here and it hasn't already been addressed, you could file one. |
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| 10:10.13 | gdm85 | hello, I am trying to troubleshoot a problem with a debian mailing list. is there anybody that manages those mailing lists here? |
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| 10:20.54 | Iridos | dpkg, tell gdm85 about mailing list |
| 10:21.29 | gdm85 | Iridos: I mailed the list admin already, I was wondering if there was any IRC contact as well |
| 10:21.33 | Iridos | gdm85, mind that #debian-lists is on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode |
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| 10:22.05 | gdm85 | Iridos: good to know, thanks |
| 10:22.13 | Iridos | gdm85, yes... as the factoid actually just told you... the list has its own channel |
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| 10:23.13 | gdm85 | Iridos: I would replace the "OFTC" with "on irc.oftc.net", I really didn't know about OFTC before now |
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| 10:24.08 | gdm85 | btw, it's not urgent, will wait for the reply. but if you are trying to troubleshoot a mail receiving problem would be best to use a different mail address or another communication channel |
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| 10:24.14 | Dimonax | Has anyone installed the LightTable editor on Debian Stable(Wheezy)? |
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| 10:27.08 | meaneye | Is there a way to prevent laptop from suspending when lid is closed? |
| 10:28.58 | Iridos | dpkg, mailing list =~ s/OFTC/on irc.oftc.net/ |
| 10:28.58 | dpkg | Iridos: that's too long |
| 10:29.01 | Dimonax | Grrr....needs Glibc 2.14 |
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| 10:31.13 | Iridos | gdm85, well... the factoid is already pretty much at maximum length... need to kick something out to make space for it |
| 10:31.28 | Iridos | dpkg, mailing list =~ s/ / /g |
| 10:31.29 | dpkg | OK, Iridos |
| 10:31.56 | Dimonax | Has anyone had problems with glibc 2.14 from the testing branch after installing it on Wheezy? |
| 10:32.10 | Iridos | dpkg, mailing list =~ s/(OFTC)/on irc.oftc.net/ |
| 10:32.10 | dpkg | Iridos: that's too long |
| 10:32.26 | gdm85 | Iridos: oh..thanks for the effort anyway :) |
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| 10:32.43 | Iridos | dpkg, mailing list =~ s/ in various time zones// |
| 10:32.43 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
| 10:32.52 | Iridos | dpkg, mailing list =~ s/(OFTC)/on irc.oftc.net/ |
| 10:32.53 | dpkg | OK, Iridos |
| 10:33.04 | gdm85 | what a nice guy dpkg is |
| 10:33.50 | Dimonax | http://www.lighttable.com/ |
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| 10:40.13 | Dimonax | Looks like 2.19 is the main one in Testing. |
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| 10:44.40 | jandro | Hello folks. Is there a way to easily migrate a whole LVM Volume Group from host A to host B over the network? I have migrated volumes in the past just by dd'ing the LV over ssh, but having previously created the appropriate PV/VG on the destination server. Any thoughts? thanks! |
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| 10:46.16 | jandro | Could I just dd the /dev/[path/to/VG] and SSH it over the destination server? |
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| 10:46.49 | gdm85 | jandro: I think a VG contains references to PVs, those would be broken on destination if they don't match precisely |
| 10:48.04 | gdm85 | I would copy LV devices. I think ZFS has features to synchronize remotely, but with LVM..no idea |
| 10:48.28 | jandro | gdm85: I understand, that would be my case since the HDD geometry of the destination server is different.. |
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| 10:48.34 | jandro | gdm85: Thanks for the input |
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| 10:49.02 | gdm85 | jandro: you're welcome |
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| 10:49.40 | gdm85 | jandro: more than HDD geometry it's a problem of how Linux "sees" the PV. but yeah, you get the idea |
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| 10:52.58 | gdm85 | jandro: some interesting pages from commercial companies: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/mirror_create.html and http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_6.1.0/com.ibm.hacmp.plangd/ha_plan_lvm_mirroring.htm |
| 10:53.09 | gdm85 | although not sure you would like to setup mirroring for a one-time job |
| 10:53.32 | kyuga | Hi, is softraid using 2 identical SSDs having one on a SATA3 controller and the other on a SATA2 controller likely to cause me any problems? |
| 10:53.58 | kyuga | (striped that is) |
| 10:55.30 | talin | hello. i'm not sure whether i should be using apt or aptitude... or both? |
| 10:55.33 | flyingkiwi | kyuga, its not the best idea to do that, but it should do the job |
| 10:56.12 | heurist | talin: just use aptitude, it does most things you will need. |
| 10:56.32 | kyuga | flyingkiwi: I'm sure its not good in terms of points of failure, but this is a setup for steam/gaming.. do you think there might be any weird timing/latency issues? |
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| 10:57.48 | jandro | gdm85: thanks, I like especially the RH document. But as you say, itâs a bit of an overkill for just one migration, itâs about 6-7 LV after all. |
| 10:57.51 | jandro | Cheers! |
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| 10:57.57 | gdm85 | cheers! |
| 10:58.19 | gdm85 | kyuga: it depends from the disks. are they both SATA3? probably they would tune down at SATA2 speed |
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| 11:00.35 | flyingkiwi | kyuga, then no, there wont be any "weird timing issues". |
| 11:00.47 | kyuga | gdm85: Yup, both disks are SATA3, intel 510 SSDs.. I'm not worried if they both end up at SATA2 speeds (this is to increase overall capacity), but I do worry that the difference in speed of the controllers would cause a problem |
| 11:01.16 | kyuga | flyingkiwi: Ah.. yes, not a very technical set of terms that :) |
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| 11:01.41 | gdm85 | kyuga: no problem at all, it wouldn't be with hardware raid but even less with softraid (because controllers are far away abstracted) |
| 11:02.54 | kyuga | gdm85, flyingkiwi: Great, thanks for dispersing my concerns (softraid is a complete unknown to me)! |
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| 11:03.08 | gdm85 | np, you're welcome |
| 11:04.12 | flyingkiwi | kyuga, you should definitly do a benchmark after your setup and having an eye on CPU consumption |
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| 11:05.46 | kyuga | flyingkiwi: Yup, I'll do that when I reinstall this evening |
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| 11:19.01 | guanche | hi |
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| 11:19.32 | guanche | does it suffice to download debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso to install debian? |
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| 11:19.51 | shingouz | yes |
| 11:19.54 | heurist | guanche: yes |
| 11:20.05 | guanche | thanks |
| 11:20.22 | shingouz | guanche: if you want to do it off the network, just get the netinstall and download the rest off the net as needed |
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| 11:21.09 | guanche | a ok, thanks |
| 11:21.16 | wakd | shingouz, s/off the net/on the net/ |
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| 11:21.20 | guanche | I guess both can be used in a usb flash drive? |
| 11:21.58 | shingouz | wakd: well.. yes... and no... but you get the picture ;) |
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| 11:22.04 | wakd | shingouz, :) |
| 11:22.15 | shingouz | guanche: yes they can. check the install manual for more details |
| 11:22.23 | guanche | which one is the net one? http://ftp.cica.es/debian-cd/7.6.0/i386/ |
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| 11:22.52 | shingouz | too lazy to check the link, doesn't one say netinstall on it? |
| 11:23.26 | shingouz | !netinstall |
| 11:23.26 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 11:23.31 | guanche | nop, will look on the debian website |
| 11:23.47 | guanche | also, does it come with wpa_supplicant? |
| 11:23.56 | shingouz | iirc, yes |
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| 11:24.00 | guanche | thanks |
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| 11:25.31 | guanche | downloading, I'll flash it to an mp3 player |
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| 11:27.04 | shingouz | guanche: just be careful so you do not install debian on the mp3 player by accident ;) |
| 11:27.17 | guanche | hehe |
| 11:27.28 | afx237 | acemi + heurist + petn-randall + Iridos: thanks for your help earlier. It turned out to be some dodgy combo of MBR & GPT that windows does. I fixed it using gdisk on sysrescuecd. Interesting that different boot cds / versions of parted made a difference to its visibility. Might be that the old parted with Debian couldn't handle this issue. |
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| 11:28.12 | heurist | afx237: old parted makes sense. does Windows still boot? |
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| 11:29.08 | afx237 | heurist: heh, good question. better check that now. |
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| 11:32.09 | afx237 | heurist: nope, it broke windows. that's it, fuck it. no more windoze partition. haha. i just had it there for emergencies really. |
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| 11:32.31 | skoude | Hi! Any idea where to get LSI SAS 3008 drivers for debian wheezy? |
| 11:32.33 | afx237 | all my disk are belong to debian |
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| 11:36.03 | jokus | anyone on squeeze right now ? |
| 11:37.15 | jelly-home | jokus: ask the real question, please |
| 11:37.18 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 11:37.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:38.25 | jokus | Sorry , its that I have a machine running Squeeze, cannot connect to http.debian.net as its trying to connect to v6. |
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| 11:39.11 | jokus | So am unable to update. |
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| 11:40.08 | jelly-home | jokus: do you have a public ipv6 address configured on the machine? |
| 11:40.08 | afx237 | jokus: have you got the squeeze-lts repos added to your apt source? that's what you want now anyway. not sure why they made it a seperate repo. |
| 11:40.29 | jokus | Yep, its the lts ones, but am unable to connect. |
| 11:40.34 | jokus | Its timing out. |
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| 11:40.42 | jelly-home | jokus: pastebin the output of "ip a", please. |
| 11:40.47 | jokus | Tried the gai.conf fix to force ipv6, but don't seem to work |
| 11:40.51 | jelly-home | jokus: and "ip r" |
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| 11:41.08 | jelly-home | will assume that meant "to force ipv4" |
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| 11:41.54 | petn-randall | afx237: Glad it worked out! |
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| 11:43.19 | jokus | bah ..!! guys , its working now .. :) seems like the time outs were temporary ! |
| 11:43.21 | jelly-home | jokus: do you only have problems with http.debian.net, or are other repos also trying to go to ipv6? |
| 11:43.37 | jokus | Yep, had only with http.debian.net |
| 11:43.59 | jokus | actually only have the lts source only in there. |
| 11:44.47 | jokus | I mean, changed to lts a while ago, then tried updating and this series of timeouts happened, so got in here to see if its happening to anyone else. |
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| 11:45.04 | jelly-home | you still need normal squeeze repos enabled, lts is just an addition |
| 11:45.51 | r3n1c0n | is away: BRB fixing some relaxsation #! :D |
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| 11:46.35 | jokus | Spoke too soon, it timed out. |
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| 11:46.52 | jelly-home | r3n1c0n: please disable that away message while you're in this channel. |
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| 11:47.36 | jokus | root@server:~# telnet http.debian.net 80 |
| 11:47.37 | jokus | Trying 46.4.205.44... |
| 11:47.47 | jelly-home | that's... not an ipv6 issue |
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| 11:48.07 | jelly-home | jokus: show your sources.list, please |
| 11:48.08 | r3n1c0n | why? |
| 11:48.14 | jokus | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.18 | jokus | I think this is |
| 11:48.43 | jokus | root@server:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:48.43 | jokus | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:48.43 | jokus | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:48.43 | jokus | deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
| 11:48.43 | jokus | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
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| 11:49.03 | jelly-home | r3n1c0n: it's annoying, IRC already has an /AWAY boolean that anyone can see if they /whois you |
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| 11:50.19 | r3n1c0n | then look the other way when you see my away message. |
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| 11:50.56 | jelly-home | r3n1c0n: it's good manners not to have any kind of away announcements on channels that are not under your control, unless the channel explicitely allows it. Also, I'm saying this as channel op. |
| 11:51.14 | petn-randall | r3n1c0n: I agree with jelly on this, and AFAIK this is more or less channel consensus. |
| 11:51.39 | jelly-home | r3n1c0n: if it happens again I'll just +q your client. Disable that thing in tech support places. |
| 11:52.00 | r3n1c0n | right. Freedom is long way to go these days hu. lol |
| 11:52.08 | pfote | whats wrong with /away? |
| 11:52.11 | heurist | r3n1c0n: see http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 11:52.11 | jelly-home | jokus: use paste.debian.net |
| 11:52.18 | heurist | pfote: see http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 11:52.36 | jokus | Yep, forgot ! |
| 11:52.40 | pfote | heurist: /away doesnt send a message? |
| 11:53.00 | heurist | pfote: read what jelly-home said. |
| 11:53.11 | r3n1c0n | got nothing better to do than whine? I can say anything i want without insulting anyone |
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| 11:53.35 | jelly-home | jokus: those ip a and ip r would be nice to have as well |
| 11:53.53 | heurist | r3n1c0n: there are over 1500 people in this channel, if they all spam the channel with away messages it get messy, and hard for us to help people. |
| 11:54.00 | jokus | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/780b1e2a |
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| 11:55.21 | r3n1c0n | nvm dude delete the debian channel |
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| 11:58.16 | jelly-home | jokus: waiting for those routes and ip configuration |
| 11:58.36 | jokus | Oh ! |
| 11:59.37 | jokus | But they aren't wrong I feel, nothings been changed there and it was all working fine. There is something really weird |
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| 12:00.09 | jokus | a min ago, telnet was able to connect, but not now. |
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| 12:00.36 | Brigo | jokus, may be your isp |
| 12:00.49 | jelly-home | just wanted to see if there's an actual ipv6 configuration there or not |
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| 12:01.28 | jelly-home | jokus: oh, I should have asked for "ip -6 r" I guess |
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| 12:02.11 | jelly-home | if ipv6 connectivity is unstable, you might deal by rebooting with |
| 12:02.13 | jelly-home | !noipv6 |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 12:03.12 | jokus | Hmm .. might have to try that. |
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| 12:03.36 | jokus | The telnet worked a few mins ago, but not now which is weird. |
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| 12:03.40 | jokus | http://paste.debian.net/125142 |
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| 12:09.56 | Scall | ls |
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| 12:16.38 | Scall | :P |
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| 12:18.55 | gdm85 | jelly-home: what about people changing nick to _afk and such? I also dislike that..but it's a trend |
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| 12:21.48 | afx237 | anyone know if theres any downsides to installing a wheezy desktop using one of the alternative desktop environments such as LXDE in the boot/grub menu on the install CD? is there any reason it would it be safer to do a normal default gnome install then just install lxde packages post-install? i.e. maybe i'll missi some packages that would be useful? |
| 12:22.28 | illy | not that one is safer then other |
| 12:22.40 | illy | but they have diff origins, one is from eu one from us |
| 12:22.47 | illy | its just,, preferance :D |
| 12:22.50 | Iridos | afx237, try it and see :) I haven't tried any of those installers, but they basically install the same meta-packages as you would, so I don't see a downside |
| 12:24.08 | afx237 | i guess my main concern is that i'll be out travelling with limited internet, then find that i need a heap of gnome or other dependencies to install a single program |
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| 12:24.43 | jelly-home | gdm85: I don't see a need to do that either, but might not actively pursue it unless it's done excessively often. I'm not going to draw a line at how much is excessive, tho :-> |
| 12:25.12 | gdm85 | jelly-home: yeah, I was talking in general, not about policy enforcing here.. |
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| 12:25.45 | afx237 | might just do the default install... more packages is probably better than less with this concern i guess. thanks for the tips illy and Iridos. |
| 12:26.24 | jelly-home | gdm85: oh, in that case let's continue in #debian-offtopic if you want |
| 12:27.45 | dontknow | i am trying to understand the difference between iceweasel 28 esr and latest 32. esr has no ui unresponsiveness and snappy. but latest iceweasel has ui responsiveness issues and sluggish |
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| 12:30.02 | dontknow | also despite esr one is not pgo build it gets better score from sunspider benchmark against latest one |
| 12:30.14 | jelly-home | dontknow: hm, there was 24.x esr and there is 31.x esr now and 32 not-esr, which ones are you looking at? |
| 12:30.15 | jelly-home | 28 never was esr, but there was a 24.8.0esr |
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| 12:31.05 | jelly-home | I don't think any of debian's iceweasel builds is pgo, but haven't checked lately |
| 12:31.37 | dontknow | jelly-home, i am talking about 24.8.1 esr and 32.0.3-1 builds |
| 12:31.50 | dontknow | sorry i wrote wrong as 28 |
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| 12:33.09 | dontknow | jelly-home, it is also the case with parabola gnu/linux |
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| 12:33.34 | dontknow | iceweasel is pgo on parabola |
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| 12:34.24 | jelly-home | dontknow: dunno, I haven't tried 32 but switched from 24.8.0esr to 31.1.1esr now and it works reasonably well for me. However I use Mozilla's Firefox builds, not Debian's Iceweasel. |
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| 12:36.38 | dontknow | jelly-home, does it cause unresponsivenes when loading some site on another tab? switching to another tab delayed 0.5-1 seconds etc? |
| 12:36.53 | dontknow | not every time but sometmes |
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| 12:37.13 | dontknow | 24 esr doesn't have these issues |
| 12:37.27 | jokus | Just updating - the apt worked this time, killed v6 from sysctl.conf |
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| 12:37.35 | jelly-home | not really. I do have aggressive NoScript settings in place and no Flash, but that hasn't changed |
| 12:37.38 | jokus | Thanks guys |
| 12:38.12 | dontknow | jelly-home, are you sure? i also have no flash no script etc |
| 12:38.13 | jelly-home | jokus: sysctl.conf, or the boot parameter? |
| 12:38.25 | jokus | sysctl |
| 12:38.53 | dontknow | jelly-home, you use cache? |
| 12:39.24 | jelly-home | dontknow: yes. clicking other tabs works fine, unless I'm clicking them for the first time since restart. They seem to only get loaded and rendered on first access. |
| 12:39.48 | jelly-home | this is... firefox 31.1.1esr, 32bit |
| 12:40.06 | dontknow | jelly-home, ahha so it gave you unresposiveness |
| 12:40.40 | jelly-home | dontknow: the first time a tab is opened, yes. Once it's there switching to and fro works |
| 12:41.31 | dontknow | jelly-home, but that is the unresponsiveness i am talking about. there is no such thing with 24 esr |
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| 12:44.11 | jelly-home | dontknow: I'm pretty sure they consider the delayed rendering of tabs not in foreground as a "feature" |
| 12:44.20 | dontknow | jelly-home, why do you use firefox build anyway. it comes with crash report updater and loads of crap |
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| 12:50.48 | dontknow | jelly-home, it looks like you misunderstood me. you are talking about "don't load tabs until selected" feature |
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| 12:52.15 | dontknow | whatever. forget about it. it looks like everyone is fine with firefox responsiveness except me |
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| 12:53.23 | jelly-home | dontknow: it works, I track ESR, get security updates and have the User-Agent some silly pages used to expect |
| 12:53.27 | jelly-home | also, nicer icon. |
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| 12:54.14 | dontknow | anyone here knows what i am talking about here? |
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| 12:55.38 | jelly-home | mind you, 31esr feels slower but not annoyingly so, and certainly not in the half-a-second range |
| 12:57.35 | dontknow | jelly-home, forget it. i am not talking about speed of rendering etc. i am talking about responsiveness |
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| 12:58.34 | dontknow | ui responsiveness |
| 12:59.35 | dontknow | when opening links in new tabs etc |
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| 13:00.19 | jelly-home | I was commenting on switching tabs by clicking or Ctrl-Tab |
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| 13:00.23 | berzerka | hi. in ps output, i see two uids not being resolved to names: |
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| 13:00.25 | berzerka | 108 2205 0.0 0.0 3012 672 ? Ss Oct07 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system |
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| 13:00.58 | jelly-home | berzerka: ps by default doesn't show usernames longer than 8 characters. Do a "getent passwd 108" |
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| 13:01.33 | berzerka | jelly-home: the entries are properly in passwd, already checked, that explains it, was just wondering thanks! |
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| 13:02.15 | berzerka | jelly-home: didn't know about getent still, so great :) |
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| 13:04.00 | nikio_ | is there a Debian 64 bit? |
| 13:04.08 | nikio_ | for intel core i3? |
| 13:04.27 | daemonkeeper | AMD64 |
| 13:04.46 | nikio_ | but why does it say i386 ? |
| 13:04.50 | nikio_ | isnt that for intel core ? |
| 13:04.55 | nikio_ | amd64 is for amd |
| 13:04.56 | nikio_ | right? |
| 13:04.57 | nikio_ | o0 |
| 13:05.01 | jelly-home | nikio_: wrong. |
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| 13:05.20 | jelly-home | !why amd64 |
| 13:05.20 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 13:05.23 | daemonkeeper | AMD64 is for the amd64 cpu architecture (sometimes called x86_64) |
| 13:05.26 | fiola | No, amd64 is the 64-bit architecture, it has nothing to do with AMD specifically. |
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| 13:05.39 | nikio_ | be good to explicitly mention that in the download section |
| 13:05.51 | nikio_ | also why the hell is it forcing me to read the site in the language of the country I live in?? |
| 13:06.07 | nikio_ | come on guys. doesnt someone who takes care of the website have common sense |
| 13:06.13 | daemonkeeper | While we're pedantic, it's not /the/ 64 bit architecture, it's /one/ 64 bit architecture, Debian has several others fiola. |
| 13:06.29 | fiola | Good point |
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| 13:08.11 | themill | nikio_: it's giving you the site in the language that your browser has requested. If you don't want that language, then configure your browser accordingly |
| 13:08.35 | nikio_ | then it should ignore that request |
| 13:08.40 | nikio_ | im just using a standard chrome browser |
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| 13:08.55 | themill | No, it should not ignore that request. You shouldn't make it if you don't want it. |
| 13:09.15 | nikio_ | it should.. if i go to debian.org i want it in the language universa |
| 13:09.19 | nikio_ | of the whole community |
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| 13:09.31 | themill | nikio_: please stop arguing and fix your browser |
| 13:09.33 | nikio_ | a local language could eitehr go to debian.org/local |
| 13:09.42 | nikio_ | debian.local |
| 13:09.51 | nikio_ | but not the main fucking site |
| 13:10.13 | nikio_ | programmers are there to fix things |
| 13:10.14 | nikio_ | not users |
| 13:10.24 | abrotman | nikio_: please stop hitting enter so frequently |
| 13:10.24 | fiola | nikio_: Yeah, it should ignore your request and show you everything in Chinese. Be careful what you ask for. |
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| 13:10.32 | abrotman | Or that .. |
| 13:12.20 | themill | nikio_: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95416?hl=en&ref_topic=3434349 Please set your browser to ask for the languages you want to see. Your browser is explicitly asking for a translation and so the website is providing it if it exists. |
| 13:13.13 | crush26 | I am trying to figure out a way to close a specific gnome-terminal from within a shell script. For example, I have three gnome-terminals open, each running three separate commands. From within a script, I need to kill the gnome-terminal window. I can do it manually by finding the bash PID by running pstree -p, then kill -9 bash to the gnome-terminal window that is running the specific command. Any ideas? |
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| 13:14.22 | nikio_ | ty |
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| 13:16.36 | jelly-home | nikio_: you have to configure chrome Settings -> Show advanced settings... -> Language and input settings and order the languages accordingly, then |
| 13:16.38 | jelly-home | this is a Feature. |
| 13:16.41 | nikio_ | is it ok to just donload the small installation image and download whatever the complete package is offering, on a download when need basis? |
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| 13:17.03 | nikio_ | i like the idea of a minimal setup.. and quick install |
| 13:17.12 | nikio_ | thanks jelly |
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| 13:17.52 | akar | just debootstrap my debian system, then install fluxbox |
| 13:18.05 | ghoulsblade | hi all, hostname --short says unknown , but hostname without --short says the correct name , anyone know what could cause that? old system being upgraded, lenny atm |
| 13:18.23 | akar | ctrl alt bksp in fluxbox never return to console tty, just blank screen |
| 13:18.44 | akar | hit ctrl alt del never send the system to shutdown |
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| 13:19.15 | nikio_ | themill, you think its ok? I actually just want a quick and minimal setup, and then download gdb, qemu nasm .. incase they arent present |
| 13:19.16 | jelly-home | akar: does does Ctrl-Alt-F1 after killing X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace work? |
| 13:19.29 | akar | add line to .xinitrc |
| 13:20.02 | nikio_ | i am really done with Windows 8, memory hogging stuff =.= |
| 13:20.10 | akar | setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 13:20.16 | akar | exec startfluxbox |
| 13:20.34 | akar | also run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-config |
| 13:20.49 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: put the contents of your /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts into a pastebin |
| 13:21.17 | akar | jelly home Ctrl-Alt-F1 not work |
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| 13:21.52 | jelly-home | could be a driver issue making the console blank forever, then |
| 13:22.17 | jelly-home | akar: if you exit X cleanly, does then console reappear? |
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| 13:22.29 | akar | o yes remembered now, Xorg -configure caught signal 11 |
| 13:22.32 | nikio_ | is it possible to boot debia from an sd? |
| 13:22.33 | akar | segmentation fault |
| 13:22.37 | ghoulsblade | jelly-home, here you go : http://pastebin.com/bnNWdEvg |
| 13:22.45 | akar | machine is intel haswell vga (get it from lspci) |
| 13:23.18 | akar | how to exit X cleanly? |
| 13:23.36 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: right. /etc/hosts ought to have a line with "ip.ad.dre.ss mars2.domain.name mars2" |
| 13:23.36 | heurist | crush26: not quite sure what you are doing, but you can use $$ in a script to get its pid, and then look in /proc/$pid/task/$pid/status for PPid (the parent pid). refine that a bit. |
| 13:23.54 | ghoulsblade | isnt that supposed to come from dhcp ? |
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| 13:25.36 | heurist | crush26: yes first try kill, only try kill -9 if that fails, give it a few seconds. |
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| 13:25.51 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: if the machine does not have a static ip assigned, you may use 127.0.1.1 as a replacement IP there |
| 13:25.52 | jelly-home | akar: fluxbox should have an exit or quit button somewhere? |
| 13:26.00 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: if you use dhcp, yes, I didn't know whether that was the case. |
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| 13:26.34 | heurist | crush26: also not sure why I went with /proc/$pid/task/$pid/status just /proc/$pid/status will do to find the parent pid. |
| 13:26.35 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: if you use dhcp, that means you do not have a static ip config, so put 127.0.1.1 as a placeholder |
| 13:26.35 | ghoulsblade | ok, thanks =) |
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| 13:27.01 | nikio_ | whats the easiest way to install Debian for me? I have Windows 8 on one partition, the other partition is free to use |
| 13:27.12 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: it is also unusual that there is no "127.0.0.1 localhost" line in /etc/hosts |
| 13:27.16 | nikio_ | can i not download an installer on to my Windows 8 partition? |
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| 13:27.50 | ghoulsblade | yeah, its a fairly old system being finally upgraded and exploding left, right and center |
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| 13:28.39 | ghoulsblade | just funny having hostname work and hostname --short fail XD |
| 13:28.54 | ghoulsblade | its supposed to just cut at first dot according to manpage |
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| 13:30.11 | akar | fluxbox menu exit also not working |
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| 13:30.36 | heurist | dpkg: tell crush26 -about crosspost |
| 13:30.39 | crush26 | heurist: thank you for your input. Where does $$ go in the script. For example, if I have a simple script that calls the top command. Now I want to kill the actual terminal window that is displaying the top command. Where would the $$ go? |
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| 13:31.55 | akar | jelly-home: do I need to check my ctrl-alt working? how? |
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| 13:32.22 | heurist | crush26: $$ is the pid of the script. what do you mean "top command" you mean you are running top and want to kill that? pkill top will do that. |
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| 13:33.42 | crush26 | heurist: sorry |
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| 13:35.08 | crush26 | heurist: no, I want to kill/close the actual gnome-termonal window that is displaying the top command. I am only using the top command as an example here. The actual command will be a real long avconv/bmdplay command |
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| 13:36.41 | heurist | crush26: if you run a command and use & to put it in the background you can use $! in the shell, or in the script that is running it to get its pid, then you just kill that pid. |
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| 13:38.39 | crush26 | heurist: the problem though. I have captured the PID of the command running and I am able to kill that PID from within the script; however, that only stops the command that is running in the gnome-terminal...not close the gnome-terminal completely. |
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| 13:39.19 | nikio_ | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ !! |
| 13:39.20 | nikio_ | :DDD |
| 13:39.28 | nikio_ | this is what i needed |
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| 13:40.41 | heurist | crush26: as I said you can get the parent pid (PPid) from the status file, that might be the script or bash, if so you can get its parent pid which should be the terminal (grandparent, great-grandparent, as deep as needed). |
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| 13:43.52 | crush26 | heurist: ok so let me understand the ancestry here. we have 1 gnome-terminal process, which spawns a bash process, and then the command spawns a process. the bash process would be the parent? |
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| 13:44.46 | crush26 | if I were to have multiple terminals open, there would still be 1 gnome-terminal proess, but a bash process for each opened window |
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| 13:45.10 | heurist | crush26: presumable, yes. you would need to test it, pstree -p, as you mentioned, tells you that. you can get the correct pids from the status files. |
| 13:45.33 | heurist | crush26: I assume that is how gnome-terminal works. |
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| 13:49.25 | crush26 | heurist: ok I will take this new info and do some testing. Thank you for the help and sorry for posting in multiple rooms...didnt realize it was rude |
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| 13:51.05 | heurist | crush26: no worries. if you set tpid to the pid you know then something like awk '/PPid/ {print $2}' /proc/$(awk '/PPid/ {print $2}' /proc/$tpid/status)/status will be the grandparent pid |
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| 13:51.17 | fiola | crush26: play with this kind of recursing, where the initial PID number is the output of your desired pgrep ---> PID=26976; while true; do PID=`grep PPid /proc/$PID/status | field 2`; echo `cat /proc/$PID/cmdline`; sleep 1; done |
| 13:52.17 | crush26 | heurist: how do I set the tpid? |
| 13:52.23 | fiola | Climb the process tree that way, and at any point if the cmdline matches what you want to kill, like a gnome-terminal say, then kill it and terminate. |
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| 13:52.57 | heurist | crush26: you said you had the pid of the process. tpid=1234 would set it to 1234. |
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| 13:53.35 | crush26 | fiola: thank you, I will try that |
| 13:53.35 | nikio_ | well the windows loader didnt work with windows 8 ;/ |
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| 13:53.39 | nikio_ | i have no cd |
| 13:53.41 | nikio_ | no usb |
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| 13:54.24 | heurist | crush26: I am still not clear on what you are doing, but note that is you make the terminal spawn the program the terminal will exit when it does. something like xterm -e programiwanttorun |
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| 13:55.18 | crush26 | heurist: yes, I can get the PID by manually running pstree -p, but that PID will not always be the same. if I could get the bash Pid by something like ps -cax | grep bash, then I could store that into a variable and use later |
| 13:55.58 | heurist | crush26: how are you running these programs? give us a concrete example. |
| 13:56.01 | crush26 | heurist: basically, I am trying to mimic in a script clicking on the terminals X button |
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| 13:56.21 | fiola | My "field 2" above was just awk '{print $2}' but any other method of grabbing the 2nd field of the "grep PPid" output will do just as well. |
| 13:56.51 | crush26 | fiola: ok I gotcha |
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| 13:57.30 | heurist | crush26: you know about pgrep right? |
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| 14:00.08 | crush26 | heurist: ok, with my job, I am running a script from within a gnome-terminal window. This script outputs to the screen a whole bunch of data from two broadcasting programs. This script can run for a long time. Sometimes the broadcasting programs error and cause the gnome-terminal running them to hang...this is where the script I am trying to run comes in. If the gnome-terminal hangs and begins to be unresponsive, the guys I work with can simp |
| 14:00.10 | crush26 | ly run "killterm.sh" and that will kill the terminal window for them. |
| 14:00.27 | crush26 | heurist: I know of pgrep, but rarely use it. |
| 14:01.10 | heurist | crush26: pgrep yourprogram name will give you the pid you are looking for. |
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| 14:02.14 | crush26 | heurist: I do not need the pid of the program I am running, I need the pid of its parent bash process |
| 14:02.54 | fiola | Sounds like the actual problem is gnome-terminal becoming unresponsive, and all of this is just to clean up the mess. Might be better to fix the root problem. |
| 14:03.01 | jelly-home | crush26: when you have its pid, it's trivial to get to the ppid using the ps command. |
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| 14:03.14 | jelly-home | crush26: ps -o ppid= -p 49152 |
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| 14:03.41 | heurist | crush26: awk '/PPid/ {print $2}' /proc/$(pgrep yourprogramsname)/status will be the parent pid |
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| 14:04.08 | jelly-home | heurist: is this a system where ps is not installed? |
| 14:04.26 | fiola | :P |
| 14:04.45 | heurist | jelly-home: no idea, ask crush26, I am unclear on exactly what is happening, trying my best. |
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| 14:05.38 | crush26 | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/mjoleKHCsPv7C0oFuoYu/ |
| 14:05.55 | jelly-home | crush26: why do you use a gnome-terminal to run things in, instead of running them as a service and tailing their logs in a terminal if you need to watch the output? |
| 14:06.02 | crush26 | that is waht i have been using, however that simply returns back to the command prompt |
| 14:06.19 | crush26 | jelly-home: yes ps is installed. |
| 14:06.21 | jelly-home | this all sounds ass-backwards. |
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| 14:06.49 | jelly-home | long-running processes should not rely on, or be running inside a terminal window |
| 14:07.01 | crush26 | jelly-home: I agree, but this is how my company has done things since way before me |
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| 14:07.15 | jelly-home | change it, it's stupid |
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| 14:07.30 | crush26 | jelly-home: I dont have the power to |
| 14:08.01 | jelly-home | in market speak, suggest a change request to increase reliability and reduce maintenance efforts |
| 14:09.33 | crush26 | jelly-home: how will running as a service and tailing the output benefit? |
| 14:09.40 | fiola | I'd start off by figuring out what causes gnome-terminal to become unresponsive, or not use gnome-terminal at all since it just adds unnecessary dependencies and complexities to a scripted job (which as jelly points out, does seem to have the properties of a service). |
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| 14:10.15 | jelly-home | crush26: it won't depend on X apps, for a start |
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| 14:11.23 | jelly-home | I don't see a reason why a noninteractive transcoding script should be running inside a terminal |
| 14:11.59 | reptar | Hi all ! I am looking to disable scaling frequency on debian 7.5 but all howto are talking about cpufreq but it isn't installed. Does someone can tell me which howto should i follow ? |
| 14:12.03 | crush26 | jelly-home: but it would make it more difficult to interact with the long running script, such ctr-l c then restarting it |
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| 14:13.30 | jelly-home | crush26: Ctrl-C is NOT how you restart a service. You use the "service" command or invoke its init script, and the script kills the pid (that was stored in the pid file at start) |
| 14:14.15 | fiola | reptar: does this work for you? cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 14:14.43 | fiola | If it works, then find the available governors with cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 14:14.44 | reptar | fiola, yeaye ! Powersave ! |
| 14:15.10 | reptar | so i should set performance in scaling_governor file ? |
| 14:15.11 | jelly-home | crush26: he have idiots running (customer-visible!) services like that in their own screen session here as well, you're not the only one |
| 14:15.12 | crush26 | jelly-home: i meant the way my company does things thus far...using ctrl-c to stop the decode/encode script. |
| 14:15.16 | fiola | Cool, in that case just echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 14:15.55 | reptar | and that's all ? No need to reboot or something ? |
| 14:16.23 | heurist | crush26: have you tried any of this stuff yet? are you coming close to solving your immediate problem? note that kill -9 $(ps -o ppid --no-headers -C bmdcapture) may be what you are looking for in the short term |
| 14:16.27 | jelly-home | crush26: if you're automating that part, you might as well learn and use the right way to manage a long-running non-interactive process |
| 14:16.37 | fiola | reptar: It persists until reboot. There's a ctl file somewhere to hardwire it. |
| 14:16.44 | crush26 | jelly-home: i am not sure how running as a service would benefit in my companies case, but i will def look into it. Thank you for the suggestion. I am open to anything that will better our product and service |
| 14:17.18 | crush26 | jelly-home: thats the thing though, it is somewhat interactive |
| 14:17.23 | reptar | ok fiola, i have cpu0 cpu1 cpu2 and cpu3 |
| 14:17.28 | reptar | i should do it for both ? |
| 14:18.09 | yids | how can i check if http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is signed ? |
| 14:18.15 | jelly-home | crush26: interactive apart from killing it and starting with different parameters? |
| 14:18.17 | fiola | reptar: you can do it for all of them, but there's also an entry for all cpus somewhere. |
| 14:18.27 | reptar | ok |
| 14:18.33 | reptar | and it works just after editing ? |
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| 14:19.07 | heurist | crush26: if that does not work and you need to go one parent deeper kill -9 $(ps -o ppid --no-headers -p $(ps -o ppid --no-headers -C bmdcapture)) will do that, add more levels as needed till you kill init by mistake. |
| 14:19.21 | yids | where can i find the signatures |
| 14:19.48 | jelly-home | has also seen billing systems for ISPs having to run in foreground in terminals |
| 14:19.59 | nikio_ | how can i install debian on windows 8 |
| 14:20.04 | peterS | all of which is what 'screen' is for |
| 14:20.12 | crush26 | jelly-home: interactive meaning as the script is runnig, it is physically monitored by people. If there is error in the decode/enccode process, the person monitoring it will restart, stop, adjust parameters etc |
| 14:20.15 | nikio_ | without sb or cd, just from the windows partition |
| 14:20.17 | fiola | reptar: /etc/sysctl.conf --- just put the settings you want hardwired in there. |
| 14:20.24 | crush26 | nikio_: in a virtual machine |
| 14:20.25 | jelly-home | crush26: that's what LOGS are for |
| 14:21.17 | crush26 | jelly-home: nah we are running live broadcast and it monitoring needs to be realtime |
| 14:21.18 | jelly-home | crush26: so that tells me you do not interact with the process at all, just monitor its output and restart with different options if needed |
| 14:21.34 | reptar | fiola, if it stays after reboot, i really need it ? So i assume that i need to reboot to be effective ? |
| 14:22.03 | nikio_ | crush26 i have one like that |
| 14:22.08 | nikio_ | but its too slow |
| 14:22.10 | nikio_ | i want speed |
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| 14:22.21 | peterS | reptar: no, you don't need to reboot. we're saying, if you ever do reboot (it happens, even I reboot once every few months), it's nice not to have to reapply your settings |
| 14:22.36 | crush26 | nikio_: how much ram does the PC have total? |
| 14:22.38 | jelly-home | crush26: this is not interaction with a running process (via API or UI), it's reconfiguration and restart. This means it's a good candidate to make it a daemon. |
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| 14:22.53 | reptar | ok so which synhax should i put in sysctl.conf ? There is only network settings in it |
| 14:23.15 | nikio_ | crush26, 4GB |
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| 14:23.21 | crush26 | jelly-home: yes in that aspect you are correct. there is no api or ui interface |
| 14:23.27 | fiola | reptar: the sysctl.conf is only read on boot and the system settings set accordingly. It's for persistence across boots. |
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| 14:23.46 | reptar | yeah but i don't know how to write those settings in this file |
| 14:23.48 | jelly-home | crush26: if you do that using a common method, you can save the process id at start, and then if it needs to restart you already have it saved. |
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| 14:24.20 | crush26 | jelly-home: now you have me interested in this service idea |
| 14:24.21 | jelly-home | crush26: this is called a "pid file", and is very idiomatic usage of unix services/daemons |
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| 14:24.28 | peterS | fiola: I'm curious about this too. where in sysctl would you affect /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor? I mean because that's not a sysctl at all. |
| 14:24.34 | reptar | and it seems to be not active : http://paste.debian.net/125172/ |
| 14:24.44 | crush26 | nikio_: are you trying to install for a dual boot? |
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| 14:25.07 | crush26 | jelly-home: where would I start? |
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| 14:25.14 | nikio_ | crush26, yep |
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| 14:28.27 | jelly-home | crush26: Learn how init scripts work. There's a template at /etc/init.d/skeleton. If your process outputs to standard output (typically the "terminal"), see if there's a way to point it to a log file instead. |
| 14:29.25 | fiola | peterS: You could be right, I don't remember where I did it. :P But I did, got all my boxes hardwired to performance governor, the question is where. <sigh> |
| 14:29.26 | benedikt | jelly-home: !! |
| 14:29.27 | jelly-home | crush26: if you have an unstable piece of software that crashes on its own and has to be restarted immediately, look at runit or daemontools or even systemd. |
| 14:29.32 | benedikt | jelly-home: you may have changed my life |
| 14:29.41 | jelly-home | sorry about that. |
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| 14:30.02 | benedikt | :D |
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| 14:30.49 | reptar | fiola, ok si i'll do it again after reboot =D. But if you see my paste, it seems not effective. Am i wrong ? |
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| 14:31.48 | crush26 | nikio_: you have to change the bios settings and disable secure boot or UEFI |
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| 14:32.46 | jelly-home | crush26: debian uses start-stop-daemon in its init script, you may be better served by the "daemon" tool from the same package |
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| 14:33.49 | crush26 | jelly-home: you have given me much to look at |
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| 14:33.59 | crush26 | jelly-home: thanks for the suggestions |
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| 14:35.50 | fiola | reptar: Yeah your paste doesn't look right. |
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| 14:36.36 | fiola | I think I may have set the default governor in manuconfig while building my kernels, alas. |
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| 14:37.21 | jelly-home | why do you custom kernels? |
| 14:37.40 | crush26 | anyone see that LMDE will be changing to the stable repos in oppose to using the testing repos |
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| 14:38.58 | lroe | I'm using evince to view/print a PDF, when I go to print preview the formatting gets messed up. It is rendered fine in evince, but for printing is looks like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10082014-103745am.php |
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| 14:39.05 | lroe | I have no idea what could be wrong |
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| 14:42.03 | reptar | fiola, there is no other way than do it in menuconfig while building a kernel ? :( |
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| 14:43.44 | fiola | reptar: Well, if building kernels doesn't appeal, it's easy enough to put the governor setup commands in a wee script and kick it off on boot. |
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| 14:45.34 | fiola | Speaking of building kernels, I switched Wheezy to 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae and everything is hunky dory. How do I get the kernel sources for the *exact* version I'm running though? |
| 14:45.41 | reptar | fiola, yup that's what i've just done. But it doesn't seems effective :/ |
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| 14:45.48 | jordila | sorry... please, could someone remind me about the Debian Jessie specific IRC channel in order to contribute to ? thanks! |
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| 14:46.06 | petn-randall | !sid |
| 14:46.07 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 14:46.26 | petn-randall | !jessie |
| 14:46.26 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 14:46.32 | petn-randall | ^^^^ jordila |
| 14:46.44 | fiola | chuckles at the 'keep both pieces' meme :P |
| 14:47.11 | shingouz | meme? that is not a meme, it is harsh reality ;) |
| 14:47.22 | jordila | thanks! petn-randall |
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| 14:48.25 | petn-randall | jordila: You're welcome! |
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| 14:49.45 | jordila | mmh... my pidgin claims #debian-next 'requires an ivitation ' ? :-/ |
| 14:50.05 | jordila | (typo: 'requires an invitation ?' ) |
| 14:50.19 | heurist | jordila: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
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| 14:50.38 | jordila | ah..thanks heurist |
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| 14:50.46 | jordila | going there... |
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| 14:51.45 | jhutchins | I know there are channels with more functional methods of bouncing users and informing them that they're on the wrong server rather than just "invitation required". |
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| 14:52.36 | jordila | indeed jhutchins... it's quite confusing the first time you read such a message... |
| 14:53.28 | fiola | Could ask a freenode admin to remove the block and then add a /topic about the main channel being elsewhere. |
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| 14:55.29 | Gforce | Hi.How to make a service not to auto start on startup? |
| 14:55.57 | fiola | Channel #debian-jessie is a very lonely place :P |
| 14:56.05 | heurist | Gforce: update-rc.d $servicename disable |
| 14:56.21 | Gforce | heurist:Thank you:) |
| 14:57.48 | Gforce | heurist:I get this:update-rc.d tor disable |
| 14:57.48 | Gforce | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 14:57.48 | Gforce | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `tor' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). |
| 14:57.48 | Gforce | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `tor' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6). |
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| 14:57.57 | tsam | I have a question regarding bug #724908. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=724908. How can I patch the source package to copy share/zthread-config to /usr/bin/zthread-config? |
| 14:58.34 | tsam | I was thinking adding "usr/bin/zthread-config" to the libzthread-dev.install file and "cp -a share/zthread-config $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin" to debian/rules. Would that do the trick? |
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| 14:59.30 | heurist | Gforce: those warnings should be fine. |
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| 15:01.01 | jelly-home | tsam: #debian-mentors over on irc.oftc.net might have more ideas |
| 15:01.21 | tsam | Thanks jelly-home. |
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| 15:02.43 | fiola | I switched my Wheezy to 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae and everything works fine. How do I get the kernel sources for the *exact* kernel version I'm running? |
| 15:03.20 | jelly-home | tsam: but yeah, chucking it into -dev manually like that might work |
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| 15:04.29 | tsam | fiola: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)? |
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| 15:04.48 | tsam | jelly-home: ok thanks. |
| 15:04.56 | fiola | tsam: that's just the headers, surely |
| 15:05.01 | tsam | oops |
| 15:05.23 | jelly-home | fiola: it is. Why do you need sources? |
| 15:06.08 | fiola | jelly-home: It's GPL, every person has the right to obtain exact matching sources. |
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| 15:06.30 | jelly-home | fiola: sure, but what's the use case? |
| 15:06.33 | heurist | fiola: linux-source-3.16 |
| 15:07.06 | jelly-home | fiola: if you have deb-src lines enabled in sources.list, apt-get source is your friend |
| 15:07.46 | fiola | jelly-home: Use case it "Read, study, and learn." Even modify. |
| 15:08.02 | fiola | s/it/is/ |
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| 15:09.16 | jelly-home | fiola: you might want to read /msg dpkg kernel-handbook |
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| 15:12.21 | fiola | jelly-home: Thanks, I didn't know about that handbook, seems like good reading ahead. |
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| 15:13.43 | antoniodmora | is there any music on console channel here?? |
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| 15:14.14 | fiola | I like MOC, one of the best console players IMO :-) |
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| 15:17.25 | porton | gftp now crashes. Then I've discovered that FileZilla does not preserve Unix file attributes. Which FTP client to use? |
| 15:17.41 | porton | (the bug with gftp crash is already reported) |
| 15:18.12 | jelly-home | porton: I like lftp, but it's cli |
| 15:18.26 | porton | jelly-home: I want GUI |
| 15:18.27 | fiola | porton: ncftp works for me. |
| 15:19.03 | fiola | Ah, don't know about GUIs, rarely use them. X11 is just a place for xterms for me. :P |
| 15:19.12 | jelly-home | also sometimes, the remote server doesn't let you set permissions at all |
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| 15:19.30 | porton | jelly-home: not a case with this particular remote server |
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| 15:20.08 | heurist | porton: I am pretty sure that FileZilla does preserve permissions, maybe you have a weird setting. |
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| 15:20.27 | ihsw | alternative to gimp -- anybody know one? |
| 15:20.30 | porton | heurist: I've recently traversed the entire settings dialog of FileZilla |
| 15:20.40 | antoniodmora | yes fiola i loved it since the first time I used it hahaha, but, if you quit the client, you lost the play list... or is there any way to get it back? |
| 15:20.50 | Brigo | ihsw, inkscape? |
| 15:21.33 | porton | ihsw: Consider LibreOffice Draw (but it is vector graphics, not raster graphics like GIMP) |
| 15:22.32 | antoniodmora | !mocp |
| 15:22.33 | porton | bareftp? |
| 15:22.33 | dpkg | well, moc is the Qt meta object compiler, or "music on console", a console audio player (the player binary is `mocp'). http://moc.daper.net/ Use the forum for developer/user contact: http://moc.daper.net/forum . See also <mpd>. |
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| 15:22.56 | fiola | ihsw: If your job can be scripted, then imagemagick and netpbm both have tons of utilities for image transformation. They're good resources. |
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| 15:23.45 | antoniodmora | fiola, what are you? a kind of alien against mouse usage?? |
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| 15:25.36 | fiola | antoniodmora: I use mouse all the time, why? Most power comes from programmability though, not from clicking buttons. |
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| 15:26.15 | antoniodmora | I know, fiola... and avoiding the mouse is a way to avoid carpian tunnel |
| 15:27.10 | antoniodmora | And only a few understand that, fiola |
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| 15:29.06 | fiola | I don't avoid the mouse. I avoid bloated, hardwired, and underpowered apps and desktops that hide what's going on and don't provide powerful interfaces. I even use mouse on VTs (gpm). |
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| 15:29.47 | fiola | Picking a text field from past output is immensely powerful. |
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| 15:30.10 | crculver | Is aptitude -P install sysvinit-core systemd-shim and then removing systemd-sysv when prompted to do so a safe operation? |
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| 15:31.08 | AgZE | How can I find out when I installed debian? |
| 15:31.15 | AgZE | like, the time or date of my installation. |
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| 15:32.32 | antoniodmora | what is VT fiola? |
| 15:32.37 | jelly-home | crculver: which debian release are you using? If it's testing, ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:33.04 | crculver | jelly-home: I'm using Debian unstable |
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| 15:33.12 | fiola | virtual terminal, Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc |
| 15:33.37 | jelly-home | crculver: right, same place. This channel primarily deals with stable. |
| 15:33.40 | Artemis3 | AgZE, stop crossposting |
| 15:33.43 | antoniodmora | ah ok, I just get confused with slang yet |
| 15:34.10 | crculver | jelly-home: That's unfortunate |
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| 15:34.12 | fiola | Sometimes refered to as "console", but that's ambiguous with serial control. VT is the traditional term. |
| 15:34.20 | fiola | s/control/console/ |
| 15:35.22 | fiola | Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to your X11, before someone asks :P |
| 15:35.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Assuming they can ask any longer. :P |
| 15:35.41 | antoniodmora | hahaha good one fiola |
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| 15:35.50 | fiola | Hehe, indeed |
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| 15:37.04 | antoniodmora | why is more activity in #debian @ freenode than in #debian @ oftc ?? |
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| 15:37.19 | AgZE | cause freenode is better |
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| 15:37.31 | fiola | Nothing special about F7, X11 just grabs the first VT that's free. F1-F6 are normally set up with getty on them. |
| 15:37.38 | jelly-home | antoniodmora: quantity does not necessarily mean quality |
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| 15:39.53 | g00gz | anyone familiar with IP SLA on Cisco devices? |
| 15:39.58 | antoniodmora | I know that jelly-home but is wierd... maybe at oftc people is more... "special"? or here are the "newbies"? dunno, there is a huge difference in the traffic |
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| 15:40.25 | g00gz | if so, do you know if debian has something similar to monitor/test voip quality |
| 15:40.43 | g00gz | similar to how cisco does it with ip sla |
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| 15:43.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does the format of Release files etc. have a name? |
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| 15:44.53 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: it's roughtly RFC 822 format |
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| 15:46.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | dondelelcaro, is it documented somewhere? (It's also roughly YAML to some extent, I could say, at a first glance :P) |
| 15:46.17 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: but it's described in policy §5.1 |
| 15:46.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, thanks. |
| 15:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Eduard_Munteanu: well, that documents the fiel format style, but not the particular entries for Release and Packages et al. |
| 15:47.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's alright. |
| 15:47.27 | dondelelcaro | there's probably documentation for those somewhere, but it's not really something you should generate manually anyway |
| 15:47.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm interested in parsing (some of) it. |
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| 15:48.40 | fiola | When installing linux-source-3.16, apt-get says Suggested packages: "libqt4-dev". Qt doesn't seem related, anyone know the reason for suggestion? |
| 15:49.08 | dondelelcaro | fiola: the graphical configure frontend needs Qt |
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| 15:49.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | fiola, likely for make xconfig et. al |
| 15:49.08 | jelly-home | fiola: one of those make *config variants is Qt-based afair |
| 15:49.11 | ndb | is there some way to run chef or scripts on AWS instance boots? |
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| 15:50.10 | fiola | dondelelcaro / Eduard_Munteanu: Aha, that explains it. I've always used oldconfig/menuconfig. |
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| 15:50.38 | ndb | is there some way to run chef or scripts on AWS instance boots? |
| 15:50.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Those require ncurses-dev, I presume. :) |
| 15:50.48 | fiola | Yeah |
| 15:51.18 | ndb | yeah exists or yeah requires? |
| 15:51.46 | fiola | That I presume the same as Eduard |
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| 15:51.57 | ndb | k |
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| 15:59.02 | petn-randall | ndb: If you want to run chef, you'll have to configure it to do it, the other option is to use /etc/rc.local to run any code at the end of boot. |
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| 16:01.05 | richac | so my grsec kernel works |
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| 16:04.35 | jelly-home | !win richac |
| 16:04.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, richac! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 16:06.27 | coin3d | hi. is it normal that systemd-logind.service fails to load on a fresh debian jessie installation? |
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| 16:09.41 | petn-randall | coin3d: jessie is far from ready, but it works for meâ¢. What is the exact error you get? |
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| 16:12.14 | sophomore | Why isn't there a bzr-gtk package for jessie or sid? |
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| 16:15.28 | fiola | Is it the same for both nVidia and AMD graphics that if you were to switch repeatedly between kernels A and B, after each reboot you'd have to reinstall the graphics driver again? |
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| 16:16.35 | wols_ | fiola: if you have to do that for either amd or nvidia, then you instlled the drivers wrong |
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| 16:19.05 | fiola | vols_: Oh, it's very good to hear you say that. On Gentoo you always have to reinstall on each switch, even if you already installed before for that kernel. There's something more to it than just populating the /lib/modules/<kernel> tree with the nvidia/amd .ko module, but don't know what. |
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| 16:20.11 | fiola | It's always puzzled me why. Those "shims" should really only need compiling once per kernel. |
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| 16:20.29 | zfe | why do the fonts on my debian suck so much? |
| 16:20.33 | zfe | it looks like 1994 |
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| 16:23.37 | winb | zfe: Because 1994 was the best year ever |
| 16:24.17 | zfe | was it |
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| 16:26.48 | jhutchins | fiola: If you install a new kernel, you have to re-compile the drivers against the new headers, but dkms usually takes care of that for you. Once they've been compiled and installed for a given kernel you shouldn't have to do it again. |
| 16:27.13 | jhutchins | fiola: It sounds like they weren't going into kernel-specfic locations on gentoo. |
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| 16:28.00 | afx237 | anyone installed teamviewer on 64bit wheezy? their notice about 32 vs 64bit requirements is really confusing. by the looks of it the dependencies for the 64bit package can be met, but they claim it doesn't work? i'm probably missing something? http://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/363-How-do-I-install-TeamViewer-on-my-Linux-distribution.aspx#multiarch |
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| 16:30.09 | fiola | jhutchins: Good to hear. No, the modules were going into the right locations in /lib/modules fine, once per kernel, but something else tailored the user-space installation to a given one, which is while you have to emerge yet again on each switch. Always puzzled me. That was with nvidia, but the Debian box uses AMD. |
| 16:30.35 | fiola | Don't know if AMD behaved the same on Gentoo, I'll have to test it one day. |
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| 16:36.53 | RoyK | afx237: heh - so their 64bit package just contains 32bit libs |
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| 16:37.06 | RoyK | afx237: perhaps it'd be better if they had compiled it for 64bit |
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| 16:38.52 | Spr1ng | How is a good method (mutt / mail / mailx) for sending an attachment via a shell script? |
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| 16:39.21 | RoyK | Spr1ng: I like mime-construct |
| 16:40.02 | RoyK | Spr1ng: it's pretty good for crafting email messages from scratch |
| 16:40.13 | RoyK | probably a spammer's first choice ;) |
| 16:40.26 | Spr1ng | Is it straightforward to use in a shell script? |
| 16:40.42 | RoyK | it's designed for automation |
| 16:41.20 | Spr1ng | Ideally I'd like to use what is already part of a linux system without needing to install anything further |
| 16:41.20 | richac | i can't believe how easy it is to compile kernel on debian |
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| 16:41.46 | richac | i'm a fan for life now lol |
| 16:42.01 | RoyK | Spr1ng: well, it's just another apt-get install |
| 16:42.19 | RoyK | Spr1ng: it's not like windows where it fills up the registry or otherwise slows down the system |
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| 16:42.34 | RoyK | Spr1ng: just installed it, and debian told me After this operation, 323 kB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 16:42.43 | Spr1ng | heh |
| 16:42.47 | RoyK | 323 kB isn't a lot |
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| 16:43.57 | richac | I feel like an idiot right now. I'm trying to find these warning messages I see at boot in one of the logs i'm looking at syslog and dmesg but I can't find them? |
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| 16:44.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell richac about bootlog |
| 16:45.13 | RoyK | dpkg: tell me about bootlog |
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| 16:45.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell RoyK about selftell |
| 16:45.49 | richac | abrotman: hmm I don't have a bootlog |
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| 16:45.58 | abrotman | Yes, we know ... |
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| 16:46.01 | richac | should i install it and then reboot? |
| 16:46.18 | richac | you mean its not being recorded anywhere else right now? |
| 16:46.25 | RoyK | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:49.19 | Gregor3000 | hello i accidentlaly install partitionmanager on server, how do i remove it? |
| 16:49.23 | Gregor3000 | apt-get and aptitude give Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 16:50.22 | Gregor3000 | here is a smuch a si could catch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8521863/ |
| 16:51.05 | RoyK | Gregor3000: try an apt-get update first |
| 16:51.44 | RoyK | Gregor3000: then perhaps dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:53.08 | richac | so only me and 2 other guys use KDE? |
| 16:53.43 | fiola | uses a magnetic needle, and sometimes butterlies in China. |
| 16:53.50 | fiola | f |
| 16:53.56 | Gregor3000 | RoyK: none of those worked |
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| 16:54.04 | antoniodmora | richac: i use kde too |
| 16:54.09 | Gregor3000 | do i need to run upgrade? |
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| 16:54.15 | RoyK | Gregor3000: apt-get install -f |
| 16:54.30 | richac | antoniodmora: tks now i don't feel so alone |
| 16:54.33 | antoniodmora | richac: and in oftc network there is a #debian-kde channel |
| 16:54.37 | Gregor3000 | install -f? i want to remove it - it's on a headless server ther eis no X or KDE |
| 16:54.56 | RoyK | Gregor3000: I would try to sort out the problems with apt first if I were you |
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| 16:55.07 | richac | antoniodmora: ahhh ok tks |
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| 16:56.00 | antoniodmora | richac: you're welcome |
| 16:56.03 | Gregor3000 | RoyK: how is what i am asking? installed the package "partitionmanager" on a server using "apt-get install partitionmanager. realising i made a mistake i now want to uninstall this package |
| 16:56.27 | RoyK | Gregor3000: apt-get purge partitionmanager && apt-get autoremove |
| 16:56.56 | RoyK | Gregor3000: but if something is messed up in apt, perhaps it'd be better to fix that first |
| 16:57.30 | Gregor3000 | RoyK - same issue. this is stupid |
| 16:58.04 | fiola | Doesn't "apt-get remove" remove things unconditionally? |
| 16:58.20 | RoyK | fiola: not unused packages |
| 16:58.23 | Gregor3000 | obviously not |
| 16:58.36 | Gregor3000 | and since we have shared packages. |
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| 16:59.02 | RoyK | Gregor3000: not sure then, sorry |
| 16:59.05 | richac | ok so only two warnings at boot. after compiling i'm missing a ufw module, and also even before installing new kernel on a fresh boot i got warnings about my pulseaudio being configured for per-user sessions, and my sound is just terrible |
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| 16:59.21 | richac | i might have to compile sound drivers? |
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| 17:00.17 | Gregor3000 | system is full of messages like this: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kde-runtime: kde-runtime depends on libkcmutils4 (>= 4:4.8); however: Package libkcmutils4 is not configured yet. |
| 17:00.32 | antoniodmora | !kde |
| 17:00.32 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
| 17:00.42 | Gregor3000 | however : how about just removing the stuff that is not configured and not used anyway? |
| 17:01.31 | Gregor3000 | !remove kde |
| 17:01.33 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 17:01.43 | fiola | The apt-get man page says that "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged" ... so both are identical except that remove leaves local config files behind. |
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| 17:01.46 | RoyK | Gregor3000: check if disk is full - check dmesg output |
| 17:02.05 | Spr1ng | RoyK: doesnt look like mime-construct allows u to specify a from address |
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| 17:02.30 | Gregor3000 | no it has 5 Gb free space |
| 17:02.59 | fiola | There's your problem, too much free space, which it's doing its best to fix. :PPP |
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| 17:03.51 | Gregor3000 | removing kde now |
| 17:03.55 | joeytwiddle | aptitude is pretty helpful with fixing dependency conflicts. of course you can't install it until your dependency conflicts are fixed. :) |
| 17:04.34 | Gregor3000 | no it's not too much i have stuff still to install. i needed a GUI partman or something in order to check the raid 1 setup |
| 17:04.36 | RoyK | Spr1ng: erm - that's strange :P |
| 17:04.40 | Gregor3000 | then i need to install |
| 17:04.43 | joeytwiddle | aptitude is a lot like apt-get, but it offers you multiple options about how to resolve the conflict |
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| 17:06.22 | RoyK | Gregor3000: to check a raid1 setup, cat /proc/mdstat |
| 17:06.46 | Gregor3000 | i mean i need to set it up so i wanted to have the interface as is on install |
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| 17:08.23 | RoyK | Gregor3000: I'm not sure if partitionmanager can deal with mdraid |
| 17:08.35 | RoyK | Gregor3000: using the commandline to do that is easy |
| 17:08.49 | Gregor3000 | tht's ok it seem si need to reinstall the whole thing anyway |
| 17:09.04 | Gregor3000 | i need to setup /swap and /var/log and /data partition on raid |
| 17:09.11 | RoyK | Gregor3000: which debian version is this? |
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| 17:09.19 | Gregor3000 | wheezy |
| 17:09.25 | fiola | In gentoo, there's a package management utility called eix which allows you to configure its output, which I've used to generate one-line-per-pkg output showing currently-installed version and all the other versions available. For example, for gcc-config, it shows: sys-devel/gcc-config-1.7.3 [1.4.1-r1 1.5-r1 1.5-r2 1.5.1 1.5.1-r1 1.6 1.7 1.7.1 1.7.2 1.7.3 1.8] |
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| 17:09.28 | fiola | What's the nearest thing I could use in Debian to generate output like that? |
| 17:09.42 | RoyK | Gregor3000: ok |
| 17:10.10 | RoyK | Gregor3000: anyway - I think it's strange if apt messed up so badly because of this |
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| 17:10.50 | Gregor3000 | you can try it in virtualbox ;-) it wanted to configure the stuff on install an dthen just said leaving unconfigured. and because they are not configurd it now says it can't remove them |
| 17:11.04 | RoyK | Gregor3000: did you check dmesg output? maybe some disk has a problem |
| 17:11.28 | RoyK | Gregor3000: also, if you want to put swap and such on a mirror, why not the whole root? it's easy from the installer |
| 17:12.24 | Gregor3000 | nope they are new. the install process messed it up. it first asked me about the raid and then found out / has data. i asked me to check and if continue i said no. so i droppe dme back |
| 17:12.42 | RoyK | Gregor3000: if so, just create a small mirror for /boot and then another mirror with the rest of the disk space and put an lvm volume group on that and then smallish logical volumes on that volume group |
| 17:12.45 | Gregor3000 | then i marked / to be formatted |
| 17:13.04 | Gregor3000 | and then it seem liek it skipped the raid configuring it just formatted / |
| 17:13.04 | RoyK | you need to use manual partitioning for this |
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| 17:13.33 | Gregor3000 | yes in manual |
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| 17:13.54 | Gregor3000 | this all happened in manual and until it finished i though it maybe still configured the RAID but it didn't |
| 17:14.26 | RoyK | Gregor3000: so, in manual partitioning, make a 1GB partition on each drive and flag it as for use with raid, create a new partition on each drive filling up the rest, choose LVM config and so on |
| 17:14.39 | Gregor3000 | alright, removed kde , xorg and -x11 common seems liek that solved it |
| 17:14.43 | RoyK | make sure you mark those as RAID drives |
| 17:15.11 | RoyK | it might be better to reinstall this after all, if you want the saparation mentioned |
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| 17:15.52 | Gregor3000 | i really do not knwo how to work with LVM or understand it and would like to keep it as simple as possible - 3 partitions on each drive /swap that might never be used, /var/log for logs and /data for all the data |
| 17:15.53 | RoyK | or at least easier |
| 17:16.47 | RoyK | Gregor3000: then read up about lvm - it's really worth it - it's far more flexible than working with partitions |
| 17:17.07 | fiola | LVM's on its way out, not needed with btrfs. |
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| 17:17.22 | Gregor3000 | brtfs needs a lot of RAM |
| 17:17.41 | RoyK | fiola: btrfs needs to stabilise first :P |
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| 17:17.46 | Gregor3000 | i am on a budget here. maybe some day in the future when my wife has a job.... |
| 17:18.17 | Gregor3000 | XFS i sin next centos and btrfs will be in Fedora 22 (is it?!) |
| 17:18.23 | RoyK | Gregor3000: just read up a bit on lvm - it's not hard - do as I said above |
| 17:18.24 | Gregor3000 | i think it will soon stabilise |
| 17:18.33 | Gregor3000 | reading up.... |
| 17:18.37 | Gregor3000 | :-) |
| 17:18.50 | RoyK | you can use xfs on lvm as well |
| 17:18.52 | fiola | As from 3.16, btrfs has an *officially* stable on-disk format. |
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| 17:19.12 | nkuttler | fiola: does it have an fsck yet? |
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| 17:19.28 | RoyK | xfs can't be shrunk, though, but apart from that, it's a good candidate to replace ext4 (as it has done on RHEL/CentOS 7) |
| 17:19.36 | RoyK | nkuttler: for a year or so now |
| 17:19.46 | nkuttler | i see. might have another look then |
| 17:19.56 | fiola | But of course it didn't happen overnight, lots of distros have been recommending it for quite a while as it was already effectively stable, even if not *officially* so. |
| 17:20.10 | coin3d | petn-randall: sorry for the late answer. i had to install dbus to get it working (systemd-logind) |
| 17:20.21 | RoyK | I still like zfs better - the handling of snapshots/clones is far easier (but that may be just me, having worked with ZFS for 5+ years) |
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| 17:20.45 | Gregor3000 | just one thing - if i just create partition with /var/log inside does it mean that logs will automaticly be written there or do they need to be symlinked or moved or something |
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| 17:21.04 | RoyK | Gregor3000: mount that filesystem on /var/log |
| 17:21.18 | Harm133 | Hey, can I set up a PXE boot server on a debian box that can provide a windows image ? |
| 17:21.19 | RoyK | Gregor3000: just tell the installer when you're doing the partitioning/lvm stuff |
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| 17:21.47 | Gregor3000 | mhm it seems i missed that bit being too focused on the raid setup :-D |
| 17:22.04 | Gregor3000 | hard to work with kids screaming arround |
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| 17:22.13 | fiola | RoyK: If it hadn't been for licenses and lawyers, I expect ZFS would have been in Linux one month after it was announced in Solaris. |
| 17:22.26 | RoyK | Gregor3000: step 1: Create two RAID-1 sets, one small for /boot (1GBish) and one large for the LVM (the rest of the space) |
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| 17:22.52 | RoyK | Gregor3000: step 2: put the /boot partition on the first raid-1 |
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| 17:23.25 | RoyK | Gregor3000: step 3: Enter LVM config and create a volume group (vg) and on that, some logical volumes (LVs) for root, /var/log, /data, /home, whatever |
| 17:23.37 | Gregor3000 | i intendet to keep the OS on USB so i can just switch the OS if neede. |
| 17:23.52 | RoyK | then just do that |
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| 17:24.56 | RoyK | Gregor3000: if the OS is fine, just use mdadm/vgcreate/lvcreate to do the rest, rsync the data from /var/log over, add /var/log to /etc/fstab to mount it from the lv you created, move /var/log aside, create a new /var/log dir, mount the new one |
| 17:25.00 | RoyK | then reboot |
| 17:26.14 | RoyK | Gregor3000: but if this is headless and no console available, make sure those mounts work before rebooting :P |
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| 17:36.18 | t_dot_zilla | i want to specify shell too |
| 17:36.20 | t_dot_zilla | groupadd -g 5002 Frank && useradd -u 5002 -g 5002 -d /home/frank-M -s /bin/false frank |
| 17:36.30 | t_dot_zilla | ^^ that is what i do now but i think im missing something |
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| 17:39.54 | benzrf | quick q |
| 17:40.03 | benzrf | h o w can i get a list of packages i've manually asked to be installed |
| 17:41.10 | mtn | benzrf: I think synaptic makes that easy to do. |
| 17:41.40 | benzrf | ok. |
| 17:41.41 | benzrf | how though |
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| 17:42.01 | mtn | benzrf: open it. look at Origin on the right side |
| 17:42.11 | mtn | oops, left side |
| 17:42.48 | mtn | benzrf: on second thought, what do you mean by "manually"? |
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| 17:43.19 | RoyK | Gregor3000: did you sort it out? |
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| 17:43.41 | benzrf | mtn: ones that i typed after `sudo apt-get install' |
| 17:43.46 | Gregor3000 | i will be doing a reinstall |
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| 17:43.59 | mtn | benzrf: oh, in that case forget what I said. |
| 17:44.04 | RoyK | Gregor3000: and still keep the OS on tha USB plug? |
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| 17:44.17 | RoyK | Gregor3000: keep in mind that those USB things usually don't last that long |
| 17:44.20 | benzrf | mtn: ok |
| 17:44.22 | fiola | He/she prolly means with apt-get install. But even installing from a .deb with dpkg -i would probably be visible to aptitude, no? |
| 17:44.38 | benzrf | well there's this "marked manually installed" |
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| 17:44.47 | benzrf | like what happens when you apt-get install a pkg thats already on your systm |
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| 17:45.23 | RoyK | Gregor3000: you may want to use a mirror of those to survive one dying |
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| 17:46.28 | BlaDe^ | hi all |
| 17:46.30 | heurist | benzrf: apt-mark showmanual |
| 17:46.31 | BlaDe^ | I have: [62473527.460111] EXT4-fs error (device xvda1) in ext4_da_writepages: IO failure in my dmesg |
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| 17:46.41 | BlaDe^ | and my filesystem seems to be in readonly mode |
| 17:47.02 | benzrf | heurist: thank youu |
| 17:47.12 | Brigo | BlaDe^, do you have backups? |
| 17:47.33 | BlaDe^ | Brigo: I just created a snapshot of the disk which seemed to work fine |
| 17:47.36 | Brigo | what is a xvda1 device? |
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| 17:47.40 | RoyK | BlaDe^: what sort of I/O errors? |
| 17:47.50 | RoyK | Brigo: IIRC a Xen virtio dev |
| 17:48.08 | jelly-home | benzrf: also aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 17:48.15 | jelly-home | as seen in |
| 17:48.17 | jelly-home | !aptitude clone |
| 17:48.18 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 17:48.20 | Brigo | oohh, new for me, i have never used xen. |
| 17:48.27 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: Brigo it seems to be related to an OOM issue |
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| 17:48.38 | BlaDe^ | [62473524.090963] EXT4-fs error (device xvda1) in ext4_dirty_inode: Out of memory |
| 17:48.41 | BlaDe^ | [62473524.153804] EXT4-fs error (device xvda1) in ext4_reserve_inode_write: Journal has aborted |
| 17:48.45 | RoyK | BlaDe^: then hopefully an fsck will fix it |
| 17:49.11 | RoyK | BlaDe^: not much to do with it while it's read only, though |
| 17:49.26 | RoyK | BlaDe^: do you have console access to this thing? |
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| 17:50.46 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: fsck is working |
| 17:50.52 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: but it's asking me lots of scary questions |
| 17:51.07 | BlaDe^ | "Block bitmap differences: -33458 -51162 -(75121--75135) -(82165--82169) -(82370--82373) -(85384--85390) -(104165--104168)" .. fix? |
| 17:51.14 | RoyK | most of them aren't necessarily scary |
| 17:51.21 | BlaDe^ | i *assume* so? do I just say yes to everything? "Fix" --> no seems liek an odd decision |
| 17:51.22 | RoyK | you'd want to fix those |
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| 17:51.51 | BlaDe^ | getting many of these too: Free blocks count wrong for group #9 (16376, counted=16966). |
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| 17:52.35 | RoyK | BlaDe^: just say yes - it's not much else you can do |
| 17:52.56 | Gregor3000 | i will make an image if i need to i can buy a new one and restore the image. USB has 5 year warranty and supports linux :-P |
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| 17:53.15 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: |
| 17:53.15 | BlaDe^ | /dev/xvda1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** |
| 17:53.16 | BlaDe^ | /dev/xvda1: ***** REBOOT LINUX ***** |
| 17:53.17 | BlaDe^ | /dev/xvda1: 139244/1572864 files (0.7% non-contiguous), 2289892/6291456 blocks |
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| 17:53.24 | BlaDe^ | oops. Sorry all |
| 17:53.31 | vipkilla | hi |
| 17:53.32 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: i don't really want to reboot. I'm scared! |
| 17:53.37 | vipkilla | hi |
| 17:53.38 | RoyK | BlaDe^: check /lost+found |
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| 17:54.01 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: empty |
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| 17:54.08 | RoyK | BlaDe^: that's a good sign |
| 17:54.34 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: RoyK: no changes done by fsck will be visible right now -- what the kernel thinks does not correspond to what's on disk, after fsck |
| 17:54.36 | BlaDe^ | RoyK: can I remount the fs without a reboot ? |
| 17:54.46 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: no, you have to reboot. |
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| 17:55.04 | RoyK | BlaDe^: you could try, but doubt it'll work - mount -o remount,rw / |
| 17:55.07 | BlaDe^ | hmm there is real traffic that runs through here which cannot be diverted anywhere right now (bad design) |
| 17:55.16 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: DON'T DO that. |
| 17:55.44 | RoyK | jelly-home: eh - after a good fsck? |
| 17:55.52 | jelly-home | making the fs read-write is NOT safe after a fsck, without an unmount |
| 17:55.52 | Gregor3000 | gonna need this computer's cable, monitor and i-net... |
| 17:55.55 | Gregor3000 | bye |
| 17:56.02 | Gregor3000 | & thank you |
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| 17:56.08 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: can I umount && mount then ? |
| 17:56.13 | RoyK | jelly-home: ok..? |
| 17:56.14 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: yes. |
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| 17:56.23 | RoyK | BlaDe^: if it's your root, no |
| 17:56.27 | BlaDe^ | it is |
| 17:56.31 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: of course, you have to nuke all the processes using that filesystem |
| 17:56.38 | BlaDe^ | eh not really an option |
| 17:56.46 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: RoyK what's the worst that can happen w/ mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 17:57.04 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: fs corruption and data loss |
| 17:57.12 | BlaDe^ | is it likely? |
| 17:57.26 | RoyK | I didn't think of those processes hanging around - I guess jelly-home is right, somehow, but I doubt fs corruption will happen. perhaps some loss of data, though |
| 17:57.34 | RoyK | BlaDe^: just reboot it |
| 17:57.35 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: it's hard to say. |
| 17:57.40 | BlaDe^ | hmmmm |
| 17:57.45 | BlaDe^ | i'm thinking about rsyncing everything away first to another server |
| 17:57.50 | jelly-home | I mean, that's why fsck tells you to <BlaDe^> /dev/xvda1: ***** REBOOT LINUX ***** |
| 17:57.59 | jelly-home | it's not there as a joke or a suggestion |
| 17:58.21 | jelly-home | fsck has literally done things to the filesystem behind kernel's back |
| 17:58.48 | jelly-home | after that, the currently running OS kernel has a wrong idea of what's on disk |
| 17:58.56 | RoyK | jelly-home: and a remount won't re-read those? if so, the remount is somewhat broken |
| 17:59.01 | RoyK | anyway |
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| 17:59.21 | RoyK | when I've seen filesystems remounted read-only after some I/O issues or similar, they cannot be remounted |
| 17:59.24 | jelly-home | RoyK: how could it? Files are open, some are cached |
| 17:59.28 | RoyK | read-write |
| 17:59.48 | RoyK | jelly-home: IMHO cache should be flushed if something is remounted read-only |
| 18:00.00 | jelly-home | RoyK: lol, flushed where? |
| 18:00.09 | RoyK | discarded |
| 18:00.12 | RoyK | not flushed |
| 18:00.17 | jelly-home | discarded = data loss |
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| 18:00.33 | RoyK | well, obviously, but you won't lose any less with a reboot :P |
| 18:00.37 | fiola | And "REBOOT LINUX" does not mean "sync; reboot" :P |
| 18:00.46 | jelly-home | fiola: it doesn't matter |
| 18:01.03 | RoyK | sync doesn't matter - it can't write to filesystems in ro |
| 18:01.10 | fiola | It sure will matter if a sync overwrites what fsck did. |
| 18:01.18 | fiola | Ah, ro. kk |
| 18:01.30 | jelly-home | fiola: the kernel won't let any fs driver writes to that fs |
| 18:01.38 | RoyK | running fsck on a rw filesystem isn't too clevver |
| 18:01.42 | fiola | Yeah, I missed the "ro". |
| 18:01.44 | BlaDe^ | ok i've got a snapshot so i'm not worried about dataloss |
| 18:02.00 | RoyK | BlaDe^: I'd reboot that system |
| 18:02.11 | jelly-home | not much else to do at this point |
| 18:02.19 | RoyK | nope |
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| 18:02.23 | RoyK | reboot -f |
| 18:02.24 | RoyK | perhaps |
| 18:02.34 | RoyK | it may try to stop daemons trying to access the root fs |
| 18:02.41 | RoyK | which may make it hang |
| 18:02.51 | RoyK | I've seen that several times |
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| 18:04.01 | RoyK | or something like echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger - that's an absolute 'boot now!' - please use that with caution |
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| 18:04.20 | talin | hmm, is ext4 unsafe in production? i have 90 servers, half running debian and the other half running freebsd... i've had several power failures the last year, and every time, i end up with corrupt filesystems on all the debian boxes with ext4 |
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| 18:04.57 | RoyK | talin: no, it's not. I have some 120 servers running on ext4 and issues are minimal, mostly happens when the SAN hichups |
| 18:05.02 | talin | and yes, i try to avoid power failures, but batteries don't last forever, etc |
| 18:05.11 | talin | RoyK: hmm, weird. |
| 18:05.23 | talin | RoyK: what kind of SAN? |
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| 18:05.32 | RoyK | dell equallogic |
| 18:05.34 | heurist | talin: what do you mean "corrupt" needing an fsck? or actual data loss? |
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| 18:06.13 | talin | heurist: they boot with read-only filesystems, then i have to fsck. about half of them survive after running fsck |
| 18:06.32 | talin | heurist: last time i had to recover ~25 of them from backups |
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| 18:06.53 | heurist | talin: that is not normal. |
| 18:06.55 | talin | RoyK: equallogic here as well. i kinda of hate it |
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| 18:07.21 | talin | RoyK: ps6100 has been okay so far, but the ps6000s have been dreadful |
| 18:07.37 | jelly-home | talin: if you're running patched kernels it ought to be behaving, which debian releases? |
| 18:07.52 | talin | jelly-home: wheezy |
| 18:08.04 | jelly-home | 3.2 is new enough. |
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| 18:08.41 | jelly-home | talin: sata or sas disks? accidentally enabled writeback cache on disks? |
| 18:08.42 | RoyK | talin: it's a good thing to hate |
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| 18:09.15 | RoyK | talin: only SAS on the primary setup now, some SATA on the secondary |
| 18:09.22 | talin | jelly-home: sas |
| 18:09.34 | RoyK | talin: but seeing glitches every time a primary controller reboots |
| 18:09.53 | RoyK | i/o error, exchange barking etc |
| 18:10.00 | jelly-home | RoyK: that might mean misconfigured multipath |
| 18:10.15 | RoyK | been through that a few times, and all looks well |
| 18:10.19 | talin | RoyK: yeah. i lost a few machines last time i did a firmware upgrade on the SAN. controller failover didn't work, so the machines brutally lost contact with the storage |
| 18:10.40 | talin | works 80% of the time though |
| 18:11.04 | RoyK | equallogic isn't active/active - the secondary controller will reboot when it detects a failure of the primary, much like DRBD |
| 18:11.29 | RoyK | and dell says "set iscsi timeout to 120s", which doesn't make me any happier |
| 18:12.06 | jelly-home | 120s is par the course even for fc san, and Debian's timeouts are a bit wrong by default |
| 18:12.25 | jelly-home | RHEL defaults for fc and scsi layers are much better |
| 18:12.34 | RoyK | 120 seconds timeout for a SAN is pretty fscked up |
| 18:12.59 | RoyK | even with SATA drives |
| 18:13.05 | RoyK | even with *consumer* SATA drives |
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| 18:13.56 | jelly-home | huh? in my case it's almost always better to queue up IO even for 120s than to let it propagate up and fs go remount-ro with errors |
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| 18:15.26 | jelly-home | it's not about the drives, 120s is for controller <-> hba connectivity |
| 18:15.37 | qu | Anyone know why, on the Debian Testing netinstall CD, in Advanced Options I don't get Alternative Desktops on this system? Usually I do. |
| 18:15.43 | RoyK | jelly-home: well, sure, but with a 10G dedicated network or even 1G, 120 seconds is a *long* time |
| 18:16.19 | jelly-home | RoyK: well, if you prefer that clients die off instead of wait for a switch or controller reboot... |
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| 18:19.14 | RoyK | jelly-home: that's not the point. everything is redundant, so a 120 second timeout should not happen. We have already set iscsi timeout to 120s in esxi, but timeouts usually happen long before that. |
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| 18:19.55 | tharkun | I've got a new laptop that has a pciid 8086:0416 but X simply picks a resolution off instead of 1366x768 it picks 1368x768 which is off by a bit. How an I correct that? |
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| 18:20.05 | qu | Nm, I got it. |
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| 18:21.29 | jelly-home | hah |
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| 18:23.02 | talin | does zfs work on linux, by the way? |
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| 18:25.25 | magyar | hi, what do these messages mean in dmesg? >> http://pastebin.com/NJtEHA9D |
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| 18:26.26 | jelly-home | magyar: there are relevant lines before that as well, I believe |
| 18:27.18 | jelly-home | or maybe not. |
| 18:27.25 | Brigo | a kernel crash, magyar |
| 18:27.39 | jelly-home | it's not a crash, it's a warning |
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| 18:28.23 | magyar | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/qzQckBuw << this is what I have in front of it |
| 18:28.26 | Brigo | ok, not a crash, but a issue. |
| 18:28.37 | jelly-home | a warning that a driver doing device_del+0x40/0x1b0() was not able to delete an entry in sysfs because it was already gone |
| 18:29.07 | magyar | Brigo: the system is still up. This new 3.16 kernel in jessie is a but wonky |
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| 18:29.32 | jelly-home | magyar: seems related to that sas driver. |
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| 18:30.14 | magyar | jelly-home: most likely, I got a system email indicating a md raid failure |
| 18:31.05 | magyar | thanks jelly-home for looking at the pastes |
| 18:31.21 | jelly-home | unfortunately you have vbox drivers loaded, so it's possible your bug reports will just be disregarded as kernel people consider vbox to be poor code (it has already been known to corrupt other stuff) |
| 18:32.28 | magyar | jelly-home: you mean virtualbox, I'll remove it, as I finally figured out kvm/qemu with VMM, so I can dump vbox :) |
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| 18:33.21 | jelly-home | you could try filing a bug report anyway, see what happens |
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| 18:34.23 | magyar | jelly-home: should I remove vbox, then reset the system and bring back the raid and see it this happens again? |
| 18:34.28 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 18:34.42 | magyar | got it, I'll give that a go. Thanks again |
| 18:35.02 | jelly-home | but seeing as the dying disk is already dead, it probably won't happen again |
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| 18:37.00 | magyar | jelly-home: not sure, I had a disk go out a few months ago and just restart the system and was all good. I mind you this is a desktop asus MB with a built-in sas adapter from MArvel (06:00.0 RAID bus controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6440 SAS/SATA PCIe controller (rev 02)) |
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| 18:37.17 | magyar | not too grand |
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| 18:37.59 | Halma | hello all |
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| 18:38.39 | Halma | where is the colortheme file of the editor "mousepad" ? |
| 18:39.07 | Halma | xfce mousepad |
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| 18:41.32 | Halma | id like to change the color of the xfce editor "Mousepad" but i dont know which file is the color theme |
| 18:41.50 | Halma | *syntax color |
| 18:42.03 | jelly-home | Halma: perhaps the people in #xfce channel know |
| 18:42.46 | Halma | ok zhx let me try there |
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| 18:45.22 | Harm133 | Hey, I'm settings up a PXE env and I got everything working up until the select menu. If I select the image to install there it just goes back to the menu. I'm using this guide : http://www.bromosapien.net:8080/media/index.php/Linux_Windows_PXE_Installation . But the guide makes no mention of this error. Any ideas ? |
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| 18:58.00 | r3n1c0n | hi |
| 18:58.09 | r3n1c0n | do i need all of 3 dvds when i want to install debian? |
| 18:58.19 | infamous | it seems my desktop icons now have black font color. any way to change this? |
| 18:59.00 | nkuttler | r3n1c0n: do you have a network connection during install? |
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| 18:59.29 | r3n1c0n | yes |
| 18:59.37 | nkuttler | !tell r3n1c0n about netinst |
| 18:59.58 | r3n1c0n | thx nkuttler |
| 19:00.13 | nkuttler | infamous: that probably depends on whatever draws those icons.. |
| 19:00.24 | infamous | im using gnome3 |
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| 19:06.06 | unstable | How can I force remove a package with a pre-removal script error? |
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| 19:10.48 | Brigo | unstable, you cannot, fix the error. |
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| 19:11.39 | unstable | I just rm -rf a bunch of the package's directories |
| 19:11.46 | unstable | and then did apt-get remove --purge, then it worked |
| 19:11.53 | unstable | and the package is gone, with none of the files remainig |
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| 19:12.14 | Brigo | unstable, and that is what you want. |
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| 19:14.06 | Pixionus | what is the example_root directory in my Home directory for? Can it be removed? |
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| 19:14.57 | Pixionus | or is this not something that came with my installation of Debian wheezy |
| 19:15.32 | dondelelcaro | Pixionus: I don't beleive that's something that would normally come with Debian. |
| 19:15.48 | dondelelcaro | Pixionus: only things in /etc/skel are created initially for new users |
| 19:16.09 | Pixionus | I have no idea how it came to be and don't really know how to track down what installed it. |
| 19:17.20 | dondelelcaro | Pixionus: is it empty? |
| 19:17.40 | Pixionus | no. 163 items and comes in at 7 MB |
| 19:17.59 | Pixionus | Contains /boot and /lib |
| 19:18.08 | Pixionus | so looks like what it is named |
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| 19:18.23 | dondelelcaro | Pixionus: huh. that's pretty odd |
| 19:18.50 | Pixionus | I've been doing some kernel work. Looks like something that could have been made along those lines. |
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| 19:19.16 | Pixionus | I'd say I got it from someone to figure something out but I have no compressed copy of it. |
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| 19:19.52 | Pixionus | shrugs "I suppose Ill just archive it for now and not worry about it" |
| 19:19.56 | Pixionus | Thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 19:21.36 | galex-713 | Hello, /etc/mailcap have feh in it to open images, how did it become so? whatâs the correct way to change it? |
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| 19:23.16 | dondelelcaro | Pixionus: it might be from cloud-init or something like that, but http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=example_root doesn't return anything totally obvious |
| 19:23.44 | dondelelcaro | galex-713: it has it because of update-mime. You can edit /etc/mailcap directly to change your default |
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| 19:24.11 | galex-713 | :o |
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| 19:24.25 | erore | Does anyone have working google chrome in debian kde? |
| 19:24.33 | Pixionus | yeah, I searched around but didn't find anything that made sense. Figured I would ask here before just getting rid of it just in case I was missing something basic. |
| 19:24.49 | DammitJim | erore, what version of debian? |
| 19:24.55 | galex-713 | dondelelcaro: isnât there any Debian mecanism for it? Does that mean the defaults of a system depend of the order in which packages are installed and there is absolutely no way of controlling what package are doing to my system when I install them? |
| 19:25.37 | erore | wheezy. It worked until this morning. I did apt-get upgrade and now I only get segmentnation fault when I start chrome from command line. |
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| 19:26.14 | galex-713 | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 19:26.19 | galex-713 | *^ |
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| 19:29.01 | Brigo | galex-713, man mailcap.order |
| 19:29.48 | Brigo | galex-713, and may be 'man update-alternatives' |
| 19:30.31 | galex-713 | update-alternatives --all did say nothing to me |
| 19:30.37 | galex-713 | So it must be mailcap.order |
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| 19:31.31 | Brigo | galex-713, are you sure you are running debian? |
| 19:32.55 | Slide-O-Mix | I'm running a debian guest in KVM, I just did a restart and its stuck at "Stopping someservice..." and continually printing .'s, this is a VPS type thing, so I don't have access to "reset" the box |
| 19:33.31 | Slide-O-Mix | Is there anything I can do to get the restart going? |
| 19:34.00 | galex-713 | Brigo: of course! |
| 19:34.04 | xingu | Slide-O-Mix: http://dustymabe.com/2012/04/21/send-magic-sysrq-to-a-kvm-guest-using-virsh/ |
| 19:34.24 | Slide-O-Mix | xingu: using virsh requires me to have root access, doesn't it? |
| 19:34.34 | xingu | probably |
| 19:34.37 | Brigo | because i have a plenty of them |
| 19:34.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Slide-O-Mix, switch to the qemu monitor using ctrl+alt+2 |
| 19:35.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | And use 'help' because I don't remember the exact command. :) |
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| 19:36.35 | erore | nobody using chrome with debian?? |
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| 19:37.28 | Slide-O-Mix | aha, the magic sysreq worked on the guest |
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| 19:38.30 | Slide-O-Mix | thanks all! |
| 19:38.32 | BrianR___ | So on a fresh install of wheezy using lvm + crypto, during the first reboot cryptsetup claims every password I enter is wrong. After a half-dozen tries it drops me to a shell. |
| 19:38.53 | BrianR___ | So I do "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/disk/... ...." and enter the same password, it's accepted. |
| 19:39.10 | BrianR___ | "lvm pvscan ; lvm vgchange -ay" and hit ctrl-d, the system comes up... |
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| 19:41.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | BrianR___, what is your kernel cmdline? |
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| 19:41.52 | fiola | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 19:42.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | BrianR___, are you sure you don't have a leftover encrypted partition somewhere? |
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| 19:43.04 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: I retyped the /dev/disk/by-uuid path from the initial unlock attempt. |
| 19:43.28 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: kernel cmdline is just the usual "root=/dev/mapper/shim2-root ro quiet" |
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| 19:45.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | BrianR___, you aren't using thinly-provisioned LVs, right? |
| 19:46.01 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: Nope. It's a bare-metal install. |
| 19:46.28 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: pretty much accepted all the defaults, except for partitioning where I picked guided, using LVM with encryption |
| 19:47.05 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: odd thing, running "cryptsetup luksOpen" with the same device name and the same passphrase just worked. |
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| 19:51.11 | revolve | Anyone familiar with schroot? Having a problem when it comes to running 10mount |
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| 19:53.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | revolve, just ask directly about your actual issue |
| 19:54.23 | revolve | I've defined a chroot after running debootstrap in /srv/database |
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| 19:55.08 | revolve | so the bare minimum of entries are in /etc/schroot/schroot.conf to define the schroot called "database" |
| 19:55.55 | revolve | when I run 'schroot -c database' as root from / I get this error: E: 10mount: mount: permission denied |
| 19:56.10 | revolve | That's as root in OpenVZ |
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| 19:56.13 | BrianR___ | Oh fuck me.. So when I run "sh -x scripts/local-top/cryptoroot" it works fine too. |
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| 19:56.26 | revolve | and the actual chroot works, I can do chroot /srv/database/ /bin/bash |
| 20:00.26 | BrianR___ | Eduard_Munteanu: I think I found the issue - the underlying block device is taking too long to get ready |
| 20:00.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Interesting. |
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| 20:11.19 | bettycla1p | wget won't download from an https site. When I run 'wget -r --no-check-certificate http://jamwt.com/diesel/diesel-3.0.16.tar.gz', the first response is to redirect to https, and then the error message is 'GnuTLS: A TLS fatal alert has been received.'. I can confirm that I have the latest debian packages for GnuTLS. Any ideas? |
| 20:11.20 | ItsLuke | If anyones intrested in getting some Dogecoin, come on ##dogechat, We are going to give some out for a celebration for our new channel! |
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| 20:11.38 | stark | the emacs manual is not included in the wheezy-backports package emacs24. |
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| 20:12.12 | stark | anyway around this ? |
| 20:12.25 | ParadoxG | I am running debian testing, and for the last month or so I have not been able to highlight anything for more then a few milliseconds |
| 20:12.48 | ParadoxG | if I highlight a selection of text, it unselects almost immediately |
| 20:13.31 | ParadoxG | anybody else experience this issue? |
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| 20:14.34 | somiaj | stark: the emacs manual hsa some non-dfsg things I think. Do you have non-free inlucded in your backports |
| 20:14.43 | somiaj | ,v emacs24-common-non-dfsg |
| 20:14.44 | judd | Package: emacs24-common-non-dfsg on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 24.1+1-1; sid/non-free: 24.3+1-1; jessie/non-free: 24.3+1-1 |
| 20:15.14 | stark | somiaj: no just main |
| 20:15.25 | somiaj | looks like it isn't there anyways, but that package is in wheezy |
| 20:16.20 | somiaj | ParadoxG: the BTS is a good place to see if others experience this problem. My initial guess is something with your pointer (mouse/touchpad) drivers. |
| 20:16.33 | RoyK | emacs is a decent operating system, but it lacks a good editor |
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| 20:18.44 | joelteon | hi, i'm booted into a rescue image on OVH, and when i tried to apt-get install curl, this happened: https://gist.github.com/joelteon/29284509bad687d9ff4c |
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| 20:19.05 | joelteon | i've found google results for that error message. mount -o remount,rw / had no effect |
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| 20:19.18 | joelteon | and i don't see any disk IO errors in the syslog |
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| 20:19.43 | musca | ParadoxG: i suspect a defect microswitch in your mouse |
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| 20:19.53 | stark | somiaj: so does adding the respective repos and reinstalling emacs will work ? |
| 20:20.15 | somiaj | stark: you need to install the documentation from non-free, just install that package I told judd to give me the versions of. |
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| 20:20.21 | ParadoxG | somiaj: I did check the BTS, but I didn't notice any relevant ones. Perhaps I searched the wrong terms, didn't know what to look for |
| 20:20.29 | somiaj | stark: you won't need to install emacs24 again, just the non-dfsg documentation. |
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| 20:20.43 | somiaj | joelteon: give us more info about this 'resuce image' you booted into. |
| 20:20.51 | stark | Ok thanks somiaj will do so :D |
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| 20:21.02 | somiaj | joelteon: are you in some live system and not able to install curl into that live system, or have you chrooted into the system you are trying to rescue? |
| 20:21.03 | joelteon | somiaj: really not sure, it's whatever a standard soyoustart rescue image is |
| 20:21.05 | joelteon | i'll google it |
| 20:21.18 | somiaj | joelteon: so you are using the rescue image on the debian installer? |
| 20:21.21 | ParadoxG | musca: A microswitch in my mouse could cause this problem? |
| 20:21.26 | joelteon | no, i'm not trying to install debian |
| 20:21.30 | joelteon | the rescue image is debian |
| 20:22.10 | somiaj | joelteon: well the installer can be used to rescue a bad install (not install debian) so I wasn't sure what you ment. But you selected the rescue item from the grub boot menu? |
| 20:22.15 | musca | ParadoxG: sometimes theese switches start to send cascades of multiple clicks |
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| 20:22.35 | joelteon | somiaj: no, i booted into rescue mode from the web interface |
| 20:22.48 | joelteon | this is the environment i guess http://help.ovh.com/RescueMode |
| 20:22.50 | somiaj | the intel touch pad drive on my touch pad just don't get alog, and I get lots of strange mouse behavior from it. I had to force it to use a generic driver to work correctly. |
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| 20:23.47 | somiaj | joelteon: oh so some rescue mode provided to you by ovh.com -- I would ask them what is going on, it could be they have special things set up in this rescue mode that is preventing apt from running correctly. |
| 20:23.58 | joelteon | okay, good idea |
| 20:24.08 | joelteon | sorry for not explaining properly |
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| 20:25.04 | somiaj | joelteon: no problem, I just wanted to know what this rescue mode was, because that is most likely the issue. But using their support would be best at this point unles you are lucky enough someone here has used that paticular companies rescue mode (which I would say would be rare) |
| 20:25.51 | joelteon | yeah, i guess i can't argue with that |
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| 20:26.08 | joelteon | ok thanks |
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| 20:30.33 | crubb | hey guys, i'm running debian jessie and i'm running into a strange problem. my main internet connection is ipv6. my ISP's modem is on eth0, my home network is on eth1. I bridge those two on br0. When i reboot, the connection works fine for a while, then simply stops working - trying to dig into the problem I noticed that the connection mysteriously starts working again when I try to tcpdump on br0, putting it into promisc mode - Does anybody have any idea? ;) |
| 20:31.42 | Brigo | crubb, you have ipv6 in your home network? |
| 20:31.54 | crubb | yes |
| 20:32.02 | crubb | it never stops working on my desktop, just on the server |
| 20:32.10 | crubb | and the server is inbetween my desktop and the modem |
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| 20:32.53 | sharp15 | i need to install a 32bit linux driver for a brother printer on a 64bit system. can this still be done? i keep receiving this from aptitude "ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 which is a virtual package." when i try to install ia32-libs. |
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| 20:33.23 | sharp15 | the printer is not in the openprinting system. |
| 20:33.58 | crubb | Brigo: are you thinking of something specific? |
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| 20:34.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | I got such a Brother printer working by writing a simple filter to insert PJL commands, along with normal PCL5 PPDs. |
| 20:35.02 | Brigo | crubb, not only curious. Are you saing that you can connect through the server to internet, but the server cannot? |
| 20:35.45 | Brigo | sharp15, ask google about debian wiki multiarch |
| 20:36.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, why are you bridging? |
| 20:36.07 | crubb | Brigo: in ipv6 term's that correct. there is some carrier-grade-ipv4-NAT which will work from the server as well |
| 20:36.08 | Brigo | !multiarch |
| 20:36.09 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 20:36.51 | somiaj | sharp15: debian doesn't use ia32-libs anymore. You need to use multiarch (/msg dpkg multiarch). Buidling things for 32bit does add a bit of a complication due to header files are not multiarch so you have to have the 32bit xor 64bit headers installed. You may find building in a 32bit chroot is easiet. Then copy the resulting driver to your running system. I'm also unsure how well 32bit drivers work on a 64bit kernel (software I now works) |
| 20:36.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, a normal setup consists of normal routing |
| 20:37.16 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: the ISP's routermodem is incredibly dumb. i want to allow outside access to my server for backups, but i also want to firewall all other ipv6 connections to my home network right at the base |
| 20:37.28 | crubb | not having to mind about firewalling each device individually |
| 20:37.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj, they're merely PPDs and some CUPS filters, nothing kernel-side |
| 20:38.15 | crubb | the ipv4 routing is fine, in ipv6 I am mostly using autoconf |
| 20:38.30 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: yea makes sense in that case. So build in a 32bit chroot, copy them to the right spot. I just wasn't sure if there was any kernel issue |
| 20:38.32 | crubb | and yes, the problem persists even when not loading any ip6tables rule ;) |
| 20:38.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, I don't see how bridging is required for that. |
| 20:40.01 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: could you elaborate? |
| 20:40.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, your server can firewall your internal LAN just as well when forwarding/routing |
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| 20:41.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | And accept connections to itself at the same time. |
| 20:41.55 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: but as far as i understood you don't actually use forwarding/routing in ipv6 concept-wise? |
| 20:42.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, sure you do |
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| 20:43.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, perhaps you mean not using NAT instead. |
| 20:43.27 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: I think I had some trouble getting the ICMPv6 autoconf stuff from the modem to my homenetwork (and back) |
| 20:43.45 | crubb | I did the setup a few month ago and apparently I could only get it working using briding |
| 20:44.01 | crubb | can't remember the exact reasons, never actually documented it, bugger |
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| 20:45.12 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: the Technicolor TC7200 modemrouter is incredibly dumb, does not allow me to place it into modem-only mode and silently drops anything it doesn't like |
| 20:45.27 | crubb | preconfigured by my ISP :/ |
| 20:46.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, in case you need autoconfiguration (not a static prefix), the usual setup entails (1) using an autoconfigured prefix if the RA gives you a /64 or larger, or (2) using DHCPv6 prefix delegation to get a prefix for your internal LAN |
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| 20:48.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Anyway, I think bridging is likely to confuse the modem even more. |
| 20:48.55 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah my ISP does "dynamic IPv6" and does not hand out static addresses. i had not checked on prefix delegation yet, that sounds rather intersting, thank you! |
| 20:49.20 | crubb | would prefix delegation work with changing prefixes or does it need a reconfiguration each time? |
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| 20:50.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, PD is intended for such cases, yeah. Your server asks for a prefix via DHCP, and further advertises it to your internal LAN. |
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| 20:51.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, a bit like DHCPv4 except you get a whole prefix, not just one address. (and it may differ from the other addresses you get from the ISP) |
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| 20:54.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | The server itself may continue using whatever it got via RAs or DHCP IA requests. |
| 20:55.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | (IAs are more like DHCPv4 assignments, they're meant for the machine itself) |
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| 21:12.08 | devios | i have two physical disks in an old laptop - when i boot, grub starts, i select debian, and system starts booting then prompts me for my dmcrypt/luks(?) password. is there any way to make it such that the mapper partitions on both disks are mounted with that single password entry? right now, i get prompted for the password for the second disk/partition later in the boot process |
| 21:12.26 | devios | anyone have a guide for that if its possible? |
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| 21:14.59 | r3n1c0n | can some one help me installing the sitecom (realtek) WLA-2000 |
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| 21:16.27 | r3n1c0n | RTL8191SU |
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| 21:17.03 | tharkun | devios: It would defeat the purpose of having a password since you would need to ferry it from one process to another. |
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| 21:18.05 | devios | tharkun: nods im seeing people use the password to decrpyt the first partition then using a keyfile stored in the first partition to unlock the second partition automatically at boot. |
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| 21:19.46 | jhutchins | !realtek |
| 21:19.46 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
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| 21:30.12 | RoyK | dpkg: also, realtek makes very, very cheap and bad semiconductors |
| 21:30.12 | dpkg | RoyK: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:35.07 | r3n1c0n | dpkg, |
| 21:35.08 | dpkg | r3n1c0n: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:36.13 | r3n1c0n | !rtl819x |
| 21:36.13 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <rtl8723au>, <rtl8188eu>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 21:36.43 | r3n1c0n | !rtl8191SU |
| 21:36.43 | dpkg | r8712u is a Linux kernel module produced by the r8712u staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191SU and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. It replaces the rtl8192su staging driver (r8192s_usb module) which was removed at Linux 2.6.37. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8712u.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 21:37.08 | dizzylizzy | Is there a good command-line utility for converting a text file into something you can view in a web page? I mean, like, HTML code that is converted into having all the proper > < replacements and whatnot |
| 21:37.14 | dizzylizzy | preferably with syntax highlighting. :P |
| 21:37.33 | r3n1c0n | !realtek firmware |
| 21:37.34 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
| 21:37.48 | jelly-home | !msg the bot |
| 21:37.48 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 21:38.11 | r3n1c0n | right |
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| 21:39.26 | Freeaqingme | Hi folks; is there some sort of repo available that contains all build scripts and uild options that are used by various maintainers to build their packages? |
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| 21:40.15 | RoyK | dizzylizzy: perl? sed? |
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| 21:43.20 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: thank you! |
| 21:44.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | crubb, did you manage to get it working? |
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| 21:45.22 | crubb | Eduard_Munteanu: i'll work on it on the weekend, i actually had to finish a presentation for tomorrow and me joining #debian was more or less procrastination ;) |
| 21:45.29 | crubb | i'll let you know! |
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| 21:45.58 | crubb | for this moment i hope that ifconfig br0 promisc will make my backups work tonight |
| 21:46.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Heh. |
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| 21:50.56 | r3n1c0n | thx that bot thingy worked lol |
| 21:51.21 | r3n1c0n | next time il use /msg ;) |
| 21:53.47 | r3n1c0n | can some one tell me why its not saving any changes i make for synclient |
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| 22:48.42 | benzrf | is it possible to get nss 3.17 on wheezy |
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| 22:49.25 | dizzylizzy | benzrf: you could try backporting it |
| 22:50.22 | NarWhalX | Hello, I'm trying to install a arm cross compile toolchain on debian jessie, but I'm missing libmpc2 in jessie. Why was this removed? (needed for gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi, using the EmdebianToolchain wiki on debian) |
| 22:50.40 | benzrf | dizzylizzy: aaaahh i dont know the first thing about that |
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| 22:51.13 | dizzylizzy | okay, it's not that hard, i can walk you through it, but I will warn you that libnss is depended by a lot of things and version differences might cause issues with other things |
| 22:51.16 | dizzylizzy | but you should probably be fine |
| 22:51.35 | dizzylizzy | benzrf: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 22:52.03 | dizzylizzy | once you get the output debs, you can just dpkg -i them |
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| 23:20.42 | richac | whats an easy way to find out the version of a package i have installed |
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| 23:22.03 | benzrf | richac: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 23:22.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | richac, apt-cache policy PACKAGE |
| 23:22.12 | benzrf | jinx |
| 23:22.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | :D |
| 23:22.40 | magyar | is the mirrors.kernel.org down? |
| 23:23.28 | richac | ah ok i just clicked on apptitude packaga manager |
| 23:23.31 | richac | magyar: is it really!@? |
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| 23:24.15 | magyar | i haven't got any updates for jessie in a week of so |
| 23:24.18 | magyar | richac: |
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| 23:24.42 | benzrf | aaaaaaaaaaaaaah newer libnss3 requires newer libc6 |
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| 23:24.47 | benzrf | q_q |
| 23:24.47 | magyar | i just changed the mirror to debian.org and there is 300 updates |
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| 23:25.11 | magyar | nothing on mirrorrs.kernel.org |
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| 23:25.16 | magyar | mirrors |
| 23:25.28 | centrx | magyar, Use http.debian.net for best results |
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| 23:25.50 | centrx | magyar, Some mirrors do have delays like that sometimes |
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| 23:26.03 | magyar | centrx: seven days, that is creepy |
| 23:26.12 | richac | i'm having trouble with my iptables rules |
| 23:26.20 | richac | i keep getting an error on the commit line |
| 23:26.37 | richac | pekster in netfilter keeps telling me i have wrong file endings on my file? from my pastebin...lol |
| 23:26.42 | richac | i used touch and vi to edit the file |
| 23:26.59 | richac | file my.rules says only ascii text...i still keep getting error on commit line |
| 23:27.07 | richac | how can I sanitize the file for proper format? |
| 23:27.25 | magyar | centrx: what would be nice if apt could detect the mirror being not up to date and give a warning -_- |
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| 23:27.45 | centrx | magyar, It happens. For the people managing the server, mirroring is usually a trouble-free thing that happens in the background, so when something does happen, they don't necessarily notice quickly or have someone available to |
| 23:27.51 | magyar | in the mean time, I'm thinking jessie is frozen |
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| 23:28.12 | somiaj | magyar: the only way for apt to do that is to have another mirror in its sources.list it can compare to. |
| 23:28.15 | centrx | magyar, http.debian.net makes sure to use updated mirrors, and mirrors that have your arch and release |
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| 23:28.36 | hmg | Hello, I ran into trouble installing debian on my computer because my network card requires non-free firmware that is not available in the instalation media. But I could go in the internet just fine when I booted into the live-cd before my vurrent attempt to install it to the HD. What gives? Should I just ignore the warning or do I really need to fetch the firmware separately? |
| 23:28.52 | magyar | centrx: the idea is not to overload a single mirror |
| 23:29.16 | somiaj | centrx: are you sure http.debian.net actually checkes the mirrors are updated, I thought it was mostly an geoip redriector. I've seen issues where the mirror it picks was having issues causing the person to have to put an actual mirror in their sources.list file. |
| 23:29.35 | magyar | if everyone is using http.debian.net there would be problems for the bandwidth |
| 23:29.35 | centrx | oh maybe |
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| 23:29.46 | somiaj | !tell hmg about firmware images |
| 23:29.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder why distros aren't using Bittorrent for package distribution. |
| 23:29.57 | centrx | it makes sure you don't get a mirror that is partially updated/in the process of updating I think is what it is |
| 23:30.11 | somiaj | hmg: you could have had a live image in which the non-free firmware was included. There are unoffical firmware imageas you can install from that contain the firmware so you don't have to include it to get network access. |
| 23:30.20 | benzrf | i assume i cannot get libc6 2.14 on stable >.> |
| 23:30.37 | somiaj | benzrf: what are you needing that version of libc6 for? |
| 23:30.40 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 23:30.41 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; jessie: 2.19-11; sid: 2.19-11 |
| 23:31.00 | somiaj | benzrf: but yes upgrading libc6 is a bad idea on stable, and since it is frozen you'll have to stick with 2.13 |
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| 23:31.21 | centrx | benzrf, or switch to pre-release jessie (I heard it's written in Haskell) |
| 23:31.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | lolwut? |
| 23:31.45 | centrx | he's a big haskell fan |
| 23:32.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hey, I'm a fan too. :P |
| 23:32.39 | centrx | Hey I like it |
| 23:32.40 | hmg | @somiaj: the live image I used is from the official debian website so it shouldn't have the non-free stuff right? I'm confused bc everythign works when I boot the live OS but it complains about non-free stuff when I try to install it :/ |
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| 23:33.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | imagines preludec6 |
| 23:33.41 | somiaj | hmg: the live imges are starting to include non-free firmware since so many wifi cards need it |
| 23:34.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | hmg, maybe you can boot the installer in a VM via the live image |
| 23:35.10 | somiaj | the live images have their own installer too, but I'm trying to find reference to including firmware in the live.debian.net images, so far I'm turing up blank but I recall reading something about this |
| 23:35.56 | somiaj | oh I see at live.debian.net they have both 'stable' and 'stable+nonfree' images, did you happen to grab the stable+nonfree image and not realize it hmg? |
| 23:35.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj, is it like Fedora's which simply clones the live image to the HDD and resizes the fs? |
| 23:36.42 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: I think it is a bit more advanced than that (packages are actually installed vs a direct clone) but it is similar and not the same as the debian installer. Thogh I haven't used that feature since squeeze, it may be different now |
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| 23:37.01 | hmg | hmm, I wasnt expecting the live image to have different software than the final instalation. Does it make a difference if I choose "graphical install" in the boot menu or if I enter the live image and then click on the "intall debian" edsktop icon over there? |
| 23:38.02 | somiaj | hmg: the installer will be different and have different features/questions. The result in the end is you have a debian system on your machine |
| 23:38.42 | somiaj | hmg: I think the main difference is less expert mode questions and you basically get the same packages as on the live images on your system as opposed to using tasksel and selecting what you want at the end. But once it is installed you can use apt/dpkg to add/remove packages normally. |
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| 23:39.05 | somiaj | hmg: the graphicall isntaller isn't really any different than the text based ones on the live images, just a matter of using a mouse vs a ncurses interface. |
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| 23:39.20 | somiaj | hmg: arg I mean on the normal installer (not live images in above comment) |
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| 23:41.01 | hmg | I am familiar with the text-based installation. What Im wondering is if there is a way to install my firmware without downloading another instalation image, since apparently the required non-free stuff is already in the instalatiomedia to make the LIVE OS work |
| 23:41.34 | somiaj | hmg: I'm unsure where to find it. What installer image do you have? the netinstall? |
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| 23:42.23 | hmg | I downloaded the debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso from the .torrent link I foind on the debian.org website |
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| 23:50.28 | somiaj | hmg: I ment what install image are you wanting to use if you prefer to not use the live-image to install? |
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| 23:56.04 | hmg | I have no idea what isntall image will work :) I'm just terrible confused because in the one I have right now the internet works when I boot into the live OS but it complains about missing firmware when I try to use it to install |
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| 23:56.52 | somiaj | hmg: Oh I missunderstood you before. Sorry I thought you had both a live image and a regular debian installer. |
| 23:57.36 | somiaj | hmg: what you need to do is figure out what firmware you need for your card. Go to packages.debian.org and download that single .deb you need. use dpkg -i to install it on your system and it will then work (so you don't have to reinstall or download a new image, you just need to get the firmware and put it on your network) |
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| 23:57.54 | somiaj | hmg: I'm confused as to why it worked in the live enviorment, but I would just skip that and go get the firmware and install it into your install. |
| 23:58.27 | hmg | hmm, that sounds simpler than trying to fetch the firmware file and installing it during instalation |
| 23:58.48 | hmg | I even think I know what deb would be needed :) |
| 23:58.57 | hmg | from googling the error message |
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