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| 00:02.33 | hmg | @somiaj: hmm, looks like I wont need to install it manually. I didnt get the error message now that I tried booting to the live OS and clicking the "install debian" desktop icon instead of going straight to installing debian. |
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| 00:03.07 | hmg | the two instalers in the same image acting different is really weird though. Should I file a bug report somewhere? |
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| 00:04.21 | rryoumaa | i need to unrar a .rar file. unrar-free does not work. unar works, but it installs some gnome daemon that i do not want. bsdtar was reputed to work, but does not seem to. what's best? |
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| 00:12.42 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:13.05 | Akuw | i am trying to unrar a file using unrar-free but got only empty directories |
| 00:13.22 | Akuw | all failed |
| 00:13.28 | rryoumaa | how do i find out why unrar-nonfree is nonfree? |
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| 00:16.39 | themill | rryoumaa: the copyright file for the package should tell you |
| 00:17.51 | themill | https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/u/unrar-nonfree/copyright-1%3A5.0.10-1 |
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| 00:19.24 | rryoumaa | thank you. seems like it compiles from source but the restrictions on use of the source are the reason. nonfree license for available source. sounds like |
| 00:19.32 | rryoumaa | thank you. seems like it compiles from source but the restrictions on use of the source are the reason. |
| 00:20.46 | themill | It's also pretty much a "here's the source but you're not allowed to look at it" sort of licence. (it's a crap licence, really). |
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| 00:24.18 | rryoumaa | Akuw: last i checked there is a bug on unrar that says it's useless :) |
| 00:24.29 | rryoumaa | the free one |
| 00:25.17 | themill | I gather it can't deal with newer versions of the archive format. I've heard rumours that 7zip can deal with them but I'm not actually sure when I last saw a .rar file anyway |
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| 00:34.10 | rryoumaa | 7z -x says Unsupported Method |
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| 00:35.22 | tharkun | rryoumaa: aptitude logs whatever you install. so you can uninstall later. Take a pick at it. unrar your file and then get rid of whatever rar wanted to install. |
| 00:35.23 | rryoumaa | hmm, bsdtar xf file.rar seems to work |
| 00:36.10 | rryoumaa | hehe yeah. but i am pleased that bsdtar seem to work. |
| 00:36.13 | rryoumaa | s |
| 00:36.15 | themill | ,i p7zip-rar |
| 00:36.17 | judd | Package p7zip-rar (non-free/utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: non-free rar module for p7zip. Version: 9.20.1~ds.1-3; Size: 57.3k; Installed: 156k; Homepage: http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:36.27 | themill | ahh... also non-free. |
| 00:36.42 | tharkun | rryoumaa: As allways you've got to choices. be happy or be right. ;P |
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| 00:37.18 | tharkun | themill: It also aplies to other places in life. |
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| 00:39.44 | tharkun | Anyway what brings me here today is that ubuntu installs for a T440p the i915_hsw module and fedora installs the i915 module but debian tries to install some hda module and then it fails to work. (but 2 pixels) |
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| 00:40.39 | tharkun | Any ideas on how to fix it. specially when I try to install the i915 module and modprobe complains about not having theDevice or something similar. |
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| 00:44.11 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.34 | tharkun | Sorry about the lag :( |
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| 01:32.18 | nullfaith | After reading the testing.security-debian.net page I am not too sure I want to switch to testing. Are the security issues bad? |
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| 01:33.05 | centrx | nullfaith, If you are using testing only on a desktop system with no services running, it is much less of an issue |
| 01:33.16 | centrx | nullfaith, Also you can grab the security updates from unstable |
| 01:33.33 | nosleep77 | hi guys quick q: is fpm the best and easy way to create pkgs ? |
| 01:33.42 | nullfaith | Yeah I rock stable on my server, and on the desktop I really just irc/browse web/play in vm labs. |
| 01:34.21 | centrx | nullfaith, Ideally, you want to make sure you are on top of especially browser updates, getting them from unstable |
| 01:35.12 | centrx | nullfaith, but oftentimes security updates will get to stable in two days, and are sometimes hinted in faster |
| 01:35.16 | centrx | *to testing |
| 01:35.47 | nullfaith | I usually browse the web inside of a snapshot of a vm heh. But yeah I tend to stay on top of the browser updates. Thanks for the input centrx. |
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| 01:52.13 | richac | hello all i'm trying to recompile my kernel again, but this time its not working. DO i have to uninstall the old one first? |
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| 01:57.51 | jpleau | richac: you have to define "not working" |
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| 02:19.29 | user123 | ncmpcpp w/ mpd is my music player, I love it and all, but the lyrics fetcher is broken and ncmpcpp is no longer officially maintained |
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| 02:20.11 | user123 | There is an ncmpcpp in the AUR though that has a working lyrics fetcher, and I was wondering if there is a way to get it set up on Debian |
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| 02:21.00 | user123 | Is it impossible to install something from AUR on other systems beside Arch? |
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| 02:21.38 | user123 | link to AUR package ---> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ncmpcpp-git/ |
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| 02:23.08 | metabsd | Hi all, when i do apt-get update or upgrade or install i get an error about E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) on two icedtea package. Anyone can help me. |
| 02:23.49 | richac | metabsd: i got a similar error the other day on fakeroot |
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| 02:23.52 | richac | error code 2 |
| 02:24.07 | richac | but the package manager suggested a manual command to fix it |
| 02:24.16 | richac | are you sure it didn't give more info? |
| 02:24.29 | richac | it sure was weird though... |
| 02:24.54 | richac | every distros packages have been slow too |
| 02:25.06 | metabsd | itweb-settings seem to be broken |
| 02:25.26 | richac | does debian have a fuller iso that doesn't require any downloads during installation process? |
| 02:25.32 | richac | for KDE |
| 02:25.32 | metabsd | i install openjdk-8 and i want to uninstall 7 .. until that time i get that error |
| 02:25.40 | metabsd | i use kde yes |
| 02:26.25 | richac | oh java? yikes |
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| 02:27.20 | richac | is there an iso that doesnt' require netinstall for KDE? |
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| 02:29.11 | metabsd | what |
| 02:29.12 | richac | metabsd: don't mind me asking but what do you need java for? |
| 02:30.41 | richac | man if it wasn't for the games I run on windows lol |
| 02:31.18 | richac | i would love to be able to install debian, all from isos and compile a kernel before even plugging in |
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| 02:32.04 | metabsd | !richac get Windows ISO |
| 02:32.21 | richac | i don't think you can compile your own kernel in windows though lol |
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| 02:33.19 | richac | i'm putting grsecurity |
| 02:33.25 | richac | learning how to use it is another thing lol |
| 02:34.07 | metabsd | Install core os |
| 02:34.22 | richac | it seems that debian has a an official repo for grsecurity kernels |
| 02:34.29 | richac | you can download one from them, its called #mempo |
| 02:34.39 | richac | and they have a script you can use |
| 02:34.42 | richac | for pax |
| 02:35.14 | richac | iceweasel is in there |
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| 03:48.26 | alket | hi, is there any properitary graphic installer ? |
| 03:48.50 | alket | like jockey-gtk |
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| 04:03.12 | somiaj | alket: in general you will want to use the drivers as provided by debian. Any reason those do not work for you? |
| 04:03.24 | user123 | If I upgrade from wheezy to jessie will sysvinit be replaced with systemd? |
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| 04:03.51 | somiaj | user123: yes that is the default. NOw if you control your upgrade you can choose to stick with sysvinit |
| 04:04.19 | alket | somiaj, i want those which are provided by nvidia , not noveau* |
| 04:04.39 | user123 | I already changed my source file and started upgrade... how can I revert once it is finished? |
| 04:04.46 | user123 | if at all possible |
| 04:05.05 | somiaj | alket: that is what I'm talking about. debian provides the drivers from nvidia via non-free. These are prefereable because they are integrated with dpkg/apt. the upstream ones from nvidia will work but due to how they need to ingetgrate int he system some teimes debian upgrades mess with them. |
| 04:05.41 | alket | somiaj, thank you |
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| 04:06.09 | hideo | user123: I'd think just install sysvinit should bring it back |
| 04:06.14 | somiaj | !tell alket about nvidia dkms |
| 04:06.32 | user123 | thanks |
| 04:07.52 | somiaj | user123: no sysvinit is the current package and is now a traditional package to systemd, you will want sysvinit-core user |
| 04:08.10 | hideo | ah, thanks somiaj |
| 04:08.11 | hideo | my bad |
| 04:09.00 | somiaj | might need sysvinit-utils too, not sure. |
| 04:09.36 | hideo | nah, that's a dependence |
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| 04:35.41 | aps | Hi. I am trying to build a debian package from a git repo, for hosting a ppa. Running "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" gives me "no upstream tarball found". Is a tarball mandatory for building or what is the right thing to do here? |
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| 04:41.08 | sweb | service iptables stop give me an error |
| 04:41.14 | sweb | [FAILding iptables modules failed! |
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| 04:48.39 | phy1729 | that's because iptables isn't a service |
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| 04:59.18 | dondelelcaro | aps: the upstream source is pretty much required. |
| 04:59.32 | dondelelcaro | aps: you can build packages without it, though; you just can't build source packages without it. |
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| 05:00.07 | dondelelcaro | aps: see the -b or -B options to dpkg-buildpackage for details on how to not build the source package |
| 05:00.07 | aps | okay. Thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 05:16.19 | aps | dondelelcaro: Could you please tell me the right way to create "upstream source" from my github repo? |
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| 05:46.07 | [robin] | Hello, any bootable media gets ignored and my computer goes right to GRUB |
| 05:46.14 | [robin] | I have about 15 minutes before I have to leave |
| 05:47.12 | [robin] | The bootable decvice is first in BIOS |
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| 05:50.55 | [robin] | Hello, any bootable media gets ignored and my computer goes right to GRUB |
| 05:50.58 | [robin] | The bootable decvice is first in BIOS |
| 05:53.06 | [robin] | Trying to boot sid |
| 05:54.00 | themill | Your symptoms would seem to suggestion that either your media is not actually bootable or your BIOS is not looking at the media in that order. |
| 05:54.15 | [robin] | Funny thing... |
| 05:54.29 | [robin] | I tried both USB with unetbootin and burned the testing iso to a CD |
| 05:54.43 | [robin] | Checked multiple times that the media are in the right order. |
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| 05:59.27 | themill | Yeah, so unetbootin often doesn't work so we can discount that one. |
| 05:59.37 | [robin] | and cds? |
| 05:59.42 | [robin] | multiple cds |
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| 06:00.15 | themill | Did the CD drive spin up during device initialisation as the bios looked for a bootable medium? |
| 06:00.23 | [robin] | yes |
| 06:00.33 | themill | how are you burning the CD image? |
| 06:00.35 | [robin] | but now I formatted the partition containing linux and it goes into grub rescue |
| 06:00.38 | [robin] | xfburn |
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| 06:11.06 | [robin] | was sid even meant to boot? |
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| 06:13.34 | movrax | [robin]: maybe xfburn doesn't support burning bootable images or does something wrong that produces unbootable medium |
| 06:13.51 | [robin] | It certainly does and I tried three disks |
| 06:13.58 | [robin] | I conclude that sid was never meant to boot |
| 06:14.14 | [robin] | Or I don't know |
| 06:14.24 | movrax | I never had any problems with that |
| 06:14.31 | [robin] | How do you get sid to boot? |
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| 06:14.40 | movrax | I'm personally using netboot over PXE |
| 06:15.01 | [robin] | Does it work over wifi? |
| 06:15.18 | movrax | it should |
| 06:15.35 | [robin] | Eh well no time now |
| 06:15.46 | [robin] | installng testing 32 bit on a 64 bit machine |
| 06:16.07 | themill | Precisely what ISO image are you using? You keep flipping between 'testing' and 'sid'... |
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| 06:55.13 | antivirtel | hello all! My university has a server with "Linux dslab 3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.15-2~bpo70+1 (2014-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux", Bash version: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; $ ls -la .bashrc |
| 06:55.13 | antivirtel | -rw-r--r-- 1 MY_USERNAME MY_GROUPNAME 3957 okt 9 08:51 .bashrc - why won't is interpret the .bashrc on logon? if I start `screen`, it will. The default shell was tcsh (I didn't even heared about it before...), and I've use chsh to change it to bash! |
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| 06:57.04 | bezaban | antivirtel: I think it is usually called by .profile for a login shell |
| 06:57.10 | heurist | antivirtel: do you have a ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 06:57.33 | Lope | Hi, I'm having some apt dependency problems. I installed from a debian 7.1 netinst CD, and then uncommented deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main (added contrib non-free) and deb-src (same) and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main (added contrib non-free) |
| 06:58.05 | antivirtel | bezaban heurist - non of them - is there a skelet somewhere where from I can copy? |
| 06:58.16 | heurist | antivirtel: try running echo "[[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc" > ~/.bash_profile and then logging in again. |
| 06:58.57 | Lope | and one more deb-src the same. initially I did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. then I was unable to install openssh-server, already from apt dependency problems. So I used apt-cdrom add and managed to install openssh server. but now I want to install more stuff and I've got dependency issues. |
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| 06:59.04 | heurist | antivirtel: also check that echo $0 says "bash" |
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| 06:59.27 | bezaban | antivirtel: is your path set etc? |
| 06:59.30 | antivirtel | heurist $0 = -bash |
| 06:59.39 | heurist | Lope: deb-src in not on the same line as the rest. |
| 06:59.52 | bezaban | sounds like there is some special setup. |
| 06:59.57 | Lope | heurist: I know. i just didn't want to flood the channel |
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| 07:00.20 | antivirtel | ahh finally, it works heurist! thank you very much! |
| 07:00.22 | heurist | dpkg: tell Lope -about paste |
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| 07:01.12 | themill | Lope: perhaps you could pastebin the full output of "apt-cache policy; apt-get -f install" for us |
| 07:01.15 | Lope | http://codepad.org/ylivEmi6 |
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| 07:01.57 | Lope | apt-cache policy http://codepad.org/VUl7EYlY |
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| 07:02.43 | Lope | apt-get -f install just says 0 upgraded 0 new, 0 removed 0 not upgraded |
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| 07:06.42 | Lope | I've just renamed my sources file away and have created a new sources.list file from the debian 7 wheezy example from this page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 07:06.48 | themill | Lope: so can you show us some output that fails? |
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| 07:07.14 | Lope | sure, just busy with apt-get update |
| 07:07.22 | themill | Lope: ahh... you don't actually have a mirror in that sources.list at all |
| 07:07.25 | Lope | thanks for the help :) i appreciate it. |
| 07:08.04 | Lope | I've never understood why the debian netinstall comes without a default sources.list file. it makes it very challenging to setup a system offline. |
| 07:08.21 | Lope | i mean online, but a netinstall and no web browser. |
| 07:09.08 | Lope | okay well, now I did a dist-upgrade and it's upgrading about 20 packages with no errors, so that's good. |
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| 07:11.56 | richac | who else feels http is an overwhelming nightmare raise your hand |
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| 07:12.15 | richac | http overhwleming nightamre? |
| 07:12.33 | heurist | richac: do you need any help? |
| 07:13.15 | richac | heruist: i was wondering... |
| 07:13.23 | richac | is it bad if i only allow udp for port 53 dns? |
| 07:13.34 | Lope | okay, apt-s happy now. thanks for the help guys :) |
| 07:13.38 | richac | and not tcp? why do some people at like I have broken the law for doing that? |
| 07:13.44 | richac | should i be suspicious of them? |
| 07:13.49 | Lope | "apt is happy" |
| 07:13.49 | richac | :) |
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| 07:14.23 | richac | my gov''t swears on their life to protect me. do they? |
| 07:14.28 | heurist | richac: newer dns services (dnssec and such) need tcp because they use larger packets than udp likes, so some things will not work with udp only. |
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| 07:14.35 | Lope | has anyone installed openvz on debian? I'm about to try it out. |
| 07:14.36 | richac | heruist: i haven't had any problems |
| 07:14.41 | richac | you can sleep with that |
| 07:14.44 | richac | for years |
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| 07:15.35 | heurist | richac: they are "newer" things that break, so you would not have had problems for year, but more to come. |
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| 07:15.43 | richac | herust: wrong |
| 07:15.47 | glukt | why use openvz when xen/kvm exist |
| 07:15.53 | Lope | richac: your government (word etymology govern (control) mente (latin for mind) ) say they are gonna protect you. sure. for their own benefit. |
| 07:15.55 | richac | i should expect problems in the future, when I never had any? |
| 07:15.59 | glukt | openvz was good a long time ago but xen/kvm are much better now |
| 07:16.01 | richac | great logic |
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| 07:16.07 | richac | am I convinced? |
| 07:16.14 | richac | no |
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| 07:16.20 | heurist | richac: do you have a debian support question? this is a debian support channel. |
| 07:16.31 | richac | heurist: concedes |
| 07:16.37 | richac | falsifies |
| 07:16.51 | richac | not trustworthy... |
| 07:16.54 | Lope | glukt: the reason for using OpenVZ is memory balooning and kernel sharing. |
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| 07:17.39 | heurist | Lope: have you looked at lxc? many of the VZ advantages without the headaches. |
| 07:17.45 | Lope | KVM can't do memory balooning without the auto-balooning hack, and it's not very widely used or well supported. |
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| 07:18.04 | Lope | heurist: I need to establish separate PPPoE connections from inside VM's |
| 07:18.06 | eptalon | heyas |
| 07:18.11 | Lope | I doubt LXC can do that? |
| 07:18.14 | glukt | Lope: okay i guess they can't really do memory balooning, but with a proper COW filsystem kernel sharing is essentially done |
| 07:18.48 | Lope | glukt: kernel sharing is done on disk, where space is dirt cheap, but not in memory, where it's expensive. |
| 07:19.02 | eptalon | My firewall just broke down, is there anything debian-based out there that I could use? |
| 07:19.18 | Lope | anyway, I'm gonna give openVZ a go. |
| 07:19.35 | glukt | Lope: i guess i like the security benefits of exclusive kernels in memory |
| 07:19.50 | optraz | hi guys |
| 07:19.52 | optraz | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.rc/420666 |
| 07:19.54 | heurist | Lope: if you have specialized needs then you will have to test stuff on for yourself. PPPoE could, work in lxc, you can even run separate PPPoE sessions in the same host. |
| 07:19.56 | optraz | i encountered this problem as well |
| 07:20.02 | optraz | is there a vote for this issue? |
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| 07:21.01 | fcharton | Lope: did you have a look at OpenVZ's Wiki ? There is a Debian Install guide |
| 07:21.05 | Lope | heurist: I know I can run separate PPPoE sessions in the same host, but then getting different programs to operate only from specific PPPoE connections would be tricky? |
| 07:21.15 | Lope | fcharton: busy with it now :) |
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| 07:21.28 | fcharton | Lope: ok :) |
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| 07:21.44 | heurist | Lope: if you can run separate PPPoE in the same host you can run then in lxc. |
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| 07:22.55 | jelly-home | optraz: voting, in general, doesn't get debian bugs fixed. It makes sense to ping the bug if it's been left idle more than a couple weeks, but this one looks fresh |
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| 07:23.31 | themill | optraz: which release of debian? |
| 07:23.58 | JyZyXEL | something in my system keeps setting the x screensaver timeout to 600, is there a way to intercept that call and log who is the culprit? |
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| 07:25.44 | Lope | heurist: yes, but I'm asking if there is an easy way to make different programs use a specific network interface? |
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| 07:26.24 | eptalon | Lope: other than a firewall, what is your use case? |
| 07:26.40 | heurist | Lope: with lxc? each container would have a PPPoE interface and everything in that container would use that interface, since it is the only interface. |
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| 07:27.33 | heurist | !tias |
| 07:27.33 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 07:28.44 | Lope | if I have multiple PPPoE connections on the host, that would imply I have multiple default gateways? |
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| 07:29.22 | Lope | would it be possible to specify the default gateway for each LXC container? |
| 07:29.44 | heurist | Lope: we are talking at cross purposes. each lxc container is a host, each has one PPPoE and one default gateway. |
| 07:30.51 | heurist | Lope: the multiple PPPoE on the same host was just an illustration that you do not need virtualization to get multiple PPPoEs. |
| 07:30.56 | optraz | jelly-home: themill Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l |
| 07:31.14 | optraz | jelly-home: i can provide my investigation and if it help to fix faster |
| 07:31.22 | optraz | i will, bu ti dont know what mailing list should i send ot |
| 07:31.23 | optraz | to |
| 07:32.04 | heurist | Lope: but yes, you could have multiples PPPoEs on the host and specify which to use in each guest container. is you wanted to go that route. |
| 07:32.12 | themill | optraz: it's already fixed in sid. That output doesn't tell me what release of debian you're actually using. |
| 07:32.20 | jelly-home | optraz: which release is actually configured in your sources.list? Please show either the output of "apt-cache policy" or the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:33.18 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell optraz -about paste |
| 07:33.41 | heurist | jelly-home: no bot |
| 07:33.45 | optraz | themill: where do i check to show debian release? |
| 07:33.45 | themill | %ping |
| 07:33.45 | dselect | Yes, themill, you are online. |
| 07:33.48 | jelly-home | dselect, tell optraz -about paste |
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| 07:37.16 | optraz | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/125308/ |
| 07:37.41 | optraz | themill: what is already fixed in sid? |
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| 07:38.14 | jelly-home | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 07:38.16 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on i386 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 6.1.7+dfsg-1; sid: 6.2.3+dfsg-1 |
| 07:38.26 | optraz | mysql-workbench 6.1.7+dfsg-1 amd64 |
| 07:38.56 | themill | optraz: the bug you were talking about |
| 07:39.14 | themill | wonders what other context that answer could have |
| 07:39.16 | jelly-home | optraz: that's a weird mix, even ignoring the 3rd party stuff, you seem to have separate debian mirrors enabled for testing and for jessie |
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| 07:39.48 | optraz | jelly-home: which line? |
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| 07:40.44 | jelly-home | optraz: 60-73 are "testing", 74-115 "jessie" |
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| 07:41.17 | optraz | hmmm... |
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| 07:41.56 | jelly-home | and an unpinned unstable lines 23-29 |
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| 07:41.59 | optraz | jelly-home: but does that cause the problem in mysql-workbench? i just show the version of the mysql-wrokbench installed, same version as shown by judd |
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| 07:42.23 | jelly-home | no, it's just superfluously redundant |
| 07:43.22 | themill | optraz: you just showed that you are not running the version that is in sid that is fixed. |
| 07:43.44 | optraz | huh? |
| 07:43.51 | optraz | ooh okay okay |
| 07:43.55 | optraz | understood |
| 07:44.01 | optraz | 6.2.3 |
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| 07:44.04 | optraz | okay |
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| 07:44.15 | optraz | i try to fix the jessie/testing |
| 07:45.04 | jelly-home | optraz: opera hasn't made a .deb package in years, you can remove that as well |
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| 07:45.47 | optraz | okay, hold on, i fill u in for the update later. |
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| 07:52.01 | optraz | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/125311/ |
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| 07:52.03 | optraz | is this better? |
| 07:52.58 | jelly-home | you still have security.debian.org lines for both testing and jessie |
| 07:54.09 | richac | jelly-home: what is that? |
| 07:54.22 | jelly-home | richac: what is what? |
| 07:54.27 | r3n1c0n | apt sources |
| 07:54.27 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 07:54.30 | Lope | are any of you familiar with the OpenVZ debian templates? http://openvz.org/Download/template/cache I'm wondering what the diff between minimal and (not minimal) Debian 7.0 are? |
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| 07:56.52 | optraz | okay, hold on |
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| 07:58.31 | optraz | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib should i change to deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib ? |
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| 08:04.16 | optraz | ,v libc-bin |
| 08:04.17 | judd | Package: libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; jessie: 2.19-11; sid: 2.19-11 |
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| 08:06.53 | richac | jelly-home: i was wondering about security.debian.org |
| 08:07.11 | richac | i visited the page tks |
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| 08:12.19 | optraz | jelly-home: okay, nice, the new version installed and corrected the probelm |
| 08:12.20 | optraz | nice |
| 08:12.23 | optraz | thanks people |
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| 08:13.48 | Phyliares | Hi, is irc.debian.org broken? |
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| 08:17.07 | optraz | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/125313/ is this better? |
| 08:17.22 | babilen | Phyliares: It shouldn't (I'm on it right now) -- why do you think so? Could you try irc.oftc.net ? Does that work? |
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| 08:17.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any chance dpkg-reconfigure or some other utility can purge and regenerate machine configuration like SSH keys, if they've already been generated? |
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| 08:18.18 | Phyliares | babilen: well, my weechat output said, not enough memory while trying to connect |
| 08:18.35 | babilen | Phyliares: I would argue that that is a local problem ;) |
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| 08:19.14 | Phyliares | ok :) maybe a bug then |
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| 08:20.40 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: delete the keys and then dpkg-reconfigure will indeed do that for you |
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| 08:21.48 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: by coincidence, we have some rather good documentation on how to regenerate keys for lots of debian packages.... https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys#OpenSSH_.28Server.29 |
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| 08:38.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, I know that works, but I was wondering if there's a foolproof way to regenerate all such configuration without specifically knowing about openssh or others. |
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| 08:39.17 | bumbar_ | does anyone know of a case studio (draw er database model) tool for debian? |
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| 08:40.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, the idea is I want to replicate a debootstrapped root onto multiple machines, but it seems there's no way to inhibit key generation other than using --foreign (but that's slower afterwards). |
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| 08:40.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | (since the second stage pretty much reinstalls all packages) |
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| 08:42.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | finds this a rather awfully messy part of Debian package management |
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| 08:44.39 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Look into configuration management tools such as saltstack, ansible, puppet, ... They support managing, generating and deploying such keys. |
| 08:45.05 | jelly | optraz: sure, but now you don't seem to any any testing OR jessie sources so you're running sid |
| 08:45.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen, I am using puppet, by the way. Perhaps I shouldn't include openssh in my initial install? |
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| 08:46.19 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: It doesn't really matter as long as clients connect to it *after* you provisioned the service in the way you want it to be. |
| 08:46.26 | r3n1c0n | can some one tell my why my debian machine is not turning off when i shutdown but stays in halted position? |
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| 08:46.56 | SynrGy | r3n1c0n: jessie/sid? see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:47.22 | r3n1c0n | weezy |
| 08:47.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen, but my worry is there may be other such system-specific configuration. Though I suppose there isn't much on a plainly debootstrapped + kernel & grub system. |
| 08:47.37 | SynrGy | hmmm |
| 08:48.10 | SynrGy | so, probably some issue in the acpi layer, but beyond that, couldn't say for sure |
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| 08:49.25 | SynrGy | need coffee :P |
| 08:49.26 | babilen | r3n1c0n: You could try a newer kernel from backports (cf. /msg dpkg bdo kernel), but I find problems such as this excruciating to debug |
| 08:49.35 | SynrGy | yeah :/ |
| 08:49.44 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Well, that is why you have a configuration management system, don't you? |
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| 08:57.40 | Lope | will a standard debian netinstall reply to pings by default? |
| 08:58.16 | jelly | yes. |
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| 09:02.06 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: the debian-edu people have some tools to help with this sort of provisioning |
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| 09:05.01 | Iridos | wasn't there a way to auto-package python modules? |
| 09:05.23 | themill | py2dsc |
| 09:05.46 | Iridos | python-stdeb? |
| 09:05.54 | Iridos | thanks |
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| 09:07.25 | Iridos | now if I knew how to use it :P |
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| 09:13.47 | Lope | what is the --to ip_address meant to be here? my router? iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s src_net -o eth0 -j SNAT --to ip_address |
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| 09:15.17 | Lope | oh, I missed "ip_address is the external IP address of your Hardware Node." |
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| 09:15.51 | jelly | Lope: your router may have multiple IP addresses on the public side, and you can pick one |
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| 09:17.55 | themill | Iridos: I've never used it... I just make a real package the normal way. It's supposed to be easy enough though. |
| 09:18.41 | themill | Iridos: https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging#Example_1:_Python_extension |
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| 09:18.59 | Lope | jelly: I think I'm supposed to give the IP of the host node? https://openvz.org/Using_NAT_for_container_with_private_IPs |
| 09:20.39 | optraz | jelly: thanks |
| 09:20.43 | optraz | jelly: now my os is fucked :) |
| 09:20.48 | optraz | i install mysql-workbench |
| 09:20.52 | optraz | it pull a lot and install |
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| 09:21.10 | optraz | the probelm right now is , i have laptop hook into another screen |
| 09:21.17 | optraz | but i just want to display the external screen |
| 09:21.20 | optraz | previously i can do that |
| 09:21.29 | optraz | now, it is no longer available., both screen display |
| 09:21.36 | optraz | when i go to gnome-control-center |
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| 09:22.09 | optraz | Displays , it said, "Could not get screen information" |
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| 09:25.26 | Lope | /etc/sysctl.conf: http://codepad.org/EsNqSt9T is there any reason why my VM's can't access the internet? I've used the following commands on the host: "iptables -A FORWARD -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT" "iptables -A FORWARD -d 10.0.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT" "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.1" (where 192.168.0.1 is my host's IP). /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 1. |
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| 09:27.35 | Iridos | judd, versions python-stdeb |
| 09:27.36 | judd | Package: python-stdeb on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.0-1; wheezy: 0.6.0+20100620-2; jessie: 0.8.2-3; sid: 0.8.2-3 |
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| 09:32.24 | optraz | anyone experiencing , in gnome-control-center , then display, error message "Could not get screen information" ? |
| 09:32.27 | optraz | how to fix that? |
| 09:33.42 | delaytime0 | optraz: this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1040062 |
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| 09:34.46 | optraz | hmmm |
| 09:34.49 | optraz | yes, similar |
| 09:34.51 | optraz | is that fix? |
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| 09:35.56 | delaytime0 | lets see |
| 09:36.06 | delaytime0 | which gnome-version do you use? |
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| 09:37.21 | optraz | Version 3.14.0 |
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| 09:39.18 | optraz | okay, this is very important for me |
| 09:39.32 | optraz | if i can give u any information to solve this, pelase ask |
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| 09:40.29 | delaytime0 | optraz: gimme a second ;) looking for some known bugs |
| 09:40.50 | delaytime0 | but seems more like a #gnome problem than debian-specific |
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| 09:43.08 | optraz | hmmm |
| 09:43.10 | optraz | i will install this |
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| 09:43.18 | optraz | sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 |
| 09:43.21 | optraz | see if it help |
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| 09:49.30 | delaytime0 | optraz: Does this occure with mutter or some other compositor? |
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| 10:03.53 | Brain | does current debian stable still mess with the motd each reboot? |
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| 10:04.33 | heurist | Brain: everyone does. you can turn that off. see man motd |
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| 10:04.46 | Brain | thanks heurist |
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| 10:10.53 | optraz | what is mutter and compositor, delaytime0 ? |
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| 10:16.48 | optraz | and no, installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 and reboot, dont help neither |
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| 10:18.23 | optraz | anyone has any idea? |
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| 10:21.51 | nkuttler | !tell optraz about debian-next |
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| 10:22.09 | b3d0u1n | Whenever I run apt-get update I'm getting these two errors: http://pastebin.com/05f85y0A This is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/a4U7vLFf . Can anyone explain what's happening? The two sources are valid. |
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| 10:23.11 | optraz | cannot join debian-next |
| 10:23.17 | optraz | nkuttler: ^^ |
| 10:23.25 | jelly | optraz: not here, on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:23.28 | SynrGy | wrong network. re-read the factoid |
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| 10:25.12 | optraz | ahh |
| 10:25.51 | nkuttler | b3d0u1n: the squeeze sources should all be gone by now i guess |
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| 10:27.02 | b3d0u1n | http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz exists though. |
| 10:27.10 | b3d0u1n | Sorry about the double paste. |
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| 10:28.06 | b3d0u1n | Both of the sources it failed to fetch still exist and can be accessed. It's not 404ing but giving me a 400 error response. |
| 10:28.17 | nkuttler | b3d0u1n: you're right. works for me |
| 10:28.22 | b3d0u1n | And only for those two sources. I don't get why. |
| 10:28.42 | nkuttler | b3d0u1n: since when does this happen? could be a temp thing |
| 10:28.50 | b3d0u1n | Been for a few days now. |
| 10:29.08 | blaubarschbube | hello. I am trying to install debian 7 on a sheevaplug plugcomputer and thus have to use a serial console. the mess is that I stuck when I get asked to select a language since I cannot navigate through that installer with my terminal program. any ideas how to solve this? |
| 10:29.12 | optraz | any config file use by gnome where i can move , so it create a new one? |
| 10:29.14 | optraz | .config? |
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| 10:29.52 | nkuttler | optraz: ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* for starters |
| 10:30.08 | optraz | okay |
| 10:30.16 | optraz | will do taht now |
| 10:30.16 | optraz | thanks |
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| 10:30.46 | optraz | brb |
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| 10:35.35 | b3d0u1n | brb |
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| 10:39.55 | optraz | nkuttler: dont know |
| 10:40.02 | optraz | xrandr show the monitor settings correctly |
| 10:40.06 | optraz | but not gnome-control-centr |
| 10:40.25 | optraz | nkuttler: dont work i mean |
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| 10:47.17 | optraz | cannto connect to irc.oftc.net |
| 10:47.47 | optraz | okay port 7k |
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| 10:58.54 | sobczyk | hi, why does dpkg-source (dpkg-buildpackage -S) removes binary from the source package? specifying files in debian/source/include-binaries does not work |
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| 11:00.20 | themill | sobczyk: can you be more explicit? which binary? |
| 11:01.00 | sobczyk | I'm trying to make a package out of a proprietary library, thus the source needs to contain these libraries |
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| 11:01.35 | themill | sobczyk: are they in the upstream tarball? |
| 11:01.43 | sobczyk | themill: its ximea xiapi |
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| 11:01.58 | sobczyk | yes, they provide .so |
| 11:02.17 | sobczyk | after dpkg-buildpackage -S it's the only missing files in the tarball... |
| 11:02.20 | themill | You probably need to stop dh_auto_clean from getting rid of the .so |
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| 11:02.40 | themill | (I assume you are using the dh sequencer and so dh_auto_clean is being called there) |
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| 11:03.25 | sobczyk | themill: I have custom clean target in rules, it does not remove the binaries |
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| 11:04.06 | themill | that would not stop dh_auto_clean being called |
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| 11:09.22 | sobczyk | themill: DH_VERBOSE=1 does not show dh_auto_clean during dpkg-buildpackage -S |
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| 11:10.39 | themill | DH_VERBOSE would show when the file is deleted though |
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| 11:11.15 | themill | (perhaps you could pastebin the entire output and your rules file) |
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| 11:13.59 | sobczyk | themill: ok, I found it, apparently dpkg-source filters out *.so |
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| 11:15.23 | paul_grozav | how can I install KDE plasma 5 on the latest debian ? |
| 11:15.30 | nkuttler | themill: can't you help nc1990? |
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| 11:16.15 | nkuttler | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 11:16.16 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.12-2; sid: 4:4.11.12-2 |
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| 11:16.34 | nkuttler | paul_grozav: by.. installing? or what do you mean? |
| 11:16.38 | themill | nkuttler: thanks |
| 11:16.44 | paul_grozav | is it in any repo? |
| 11:16.44 | nkuttler | themill: thank you! |
| 11:16.59 | themill | paul_grozav: plasma 5 isn't anywhere in debian yet |
| 11:17.07 | nkuttler | oh, 5.. |
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| 11:17.33 | paul_grozav | themill: Thanks, any ideea when it will be available ? |
| 11:18.01 | themill | certainly not until it's actually ready for end users to touch and not before jessie is out the door |
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| 11:26.32 | paul_grozav | do you know a release date for jessie ? :) |
| 11:29.46 | nkuttler | paul_grozav: when it's ready. sooner if you help. |
| 11:30.04 | paul_grozav | :)) |
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| 11:30.21 | paul_grozav | how can I help ? |
| 11:30.54 | nkuttler | paul_grozav: you could upgrade non-critical boxes to jessie during the freeze, and test things, and fix bugs |
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| 11:31.50 | paul_grozav | is there a tutorial of how I can upgrade to jessie ? |
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| 11:32.02 | Iridos | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 11:32.02 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
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| 11:33.00 | Iridos | wtf is tum |
| 11:33.04 | Iridos | dpkg, tum |
| 11:33.04 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 11:33.13 | Iridos | oh |
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| 11:37.12 | optraz | anyone can help on gnome-control-center? |
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| 11:39.57 | hexidiot | i need some advice about debian |
| 11:40.23 | hexidiot | how to build a live customized debian usb |
| 11:40.39 | hexidiot | is there any project i could join or .... |
| 11:41.01 | optraz | http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/ |
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| 11:41.33 | JyZyXEL | after doing apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree, how do i enable it in chromium? |
| 11:42.10 | optraz | http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/enable-system-flash-player-google-chrome.html |
| 11:42.18 | hexidiot | thanks optraz |
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| 11:42.59 | optraz | https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing |
| 11:43.08 | optraz | but nobody can help my question |
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| 11:44.21 | JyZyXEL | optraz: thank you that helped |
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| 11:50.52 | pksadiq | optraz: nobody might ask you to ask. Just ask. Someone might help you :-) |
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| 11:51.42 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 11:51.43 | optraz | i already did |
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| 11:52.46 | d3xter | upgrading systemd to the latest version (215-5+b1) fails with "post-installation script returned error exit status 1", how can i find out what exactly went wrong? |
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| 11:52.53 | hexidiot | could anyone point me to enable save session like feature in parted magic into squashfs |
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| 11:54.08 | jelly | !tell d3xter about debian-next |
| 11:54.56 | optraz | d3xter: check the log perhaps.. when it return error 1, what was the line that thrown it and before |
| 11:55.02 | optraz | that might get u some clue to investigate further |
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| 11:56.21 | d3xter | optraz: which logs? dpkg.log just says "status half-configured systemd:amd64 215-5+b1" |
| 11:57.39 | d3xter | jelly: ^ |
| 11:58.33 | jelly | d3xter: please ask in #debian-next, over on irc.oftc.net, there's more people dealing with testing and unstable issues there |
| 11:58.52 | d3xter | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 12:40.37 | dontknow | are you people able to watch 720p html5 video on youtube with icewease esr? |
| 12:41.22 | dontknow | there is no option to select 720p with iceweasel esr |
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| 12:45.36 | Like2HlpU | u sure the video is offered in that format? |
| 12:45.58 | dontknow | Like2HlpU, yes i am sure |
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| 12:47.22 | movrax | dontknow: maybe it doesn't support the codec for 720p |
| 12:47.57 | dontknow | movrax, maybe. i am asking here to be sure |
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| 12:48.16 | dontknow | maybe esr browser doesn't support 720p |
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| 12:48.33 | nido | dontknow: what are you talking about regarding 720p html5 and iceweasel? |
| 12:48.43 | movrax | dontknow: https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
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| 12:50.20 | dontknow | nido, movrax i can watch videos in html5 format already. there a wrench option section in player that you can select the quality like 360p and 720p. what i am saying is that there is no 720p option in that menu where it should be |
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| 12:50.48 | mashaa | what up |
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| 12:51.11 | mashaa | welcome |
| 12:51.12 | dontknow | on the other hand i can select and watch 720p video with parabola and latest iceweasel |
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| 12:51.57 | mashaa | today i ate a very gian meat ball |
| 12:51.59 | mashaa | hahaha |
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| 12:53.46 | nido | dontknow: I think you need to ask google that question. IIRC, whatever plays back those videos uses gstreamer in the backend which in turn utilises a myriad of different codec. vp8 video in webm is usually handled by ffmpeg iirc, and that one doesn't care about your video resolution, as long as it is a multiple of 16 or 32 (not sire which of the two) |
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| 12:56.10 | dontknow | nido, you mean i need to install corresponding codecs to watch 720p? |
| 12:56.14 | BrianR___ | grr.. It looks like the gnome guys have removed the configurables I once used to avoid having to enter a password on resume from suspend :( |
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| 12:56.57 | BrianR___ | in particular hibernate - this machine hibernates to an encrypted swap file and there's no reason to prompt me for the screensaver password when I've just typed in the 30+ character dm-crypt password :( |
| 12:57.21 | nido | dontknow: no, you need to install corresponding codecs to watch video of that codec regardless of resolution. |
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| 12:57.34 | nido | i do not know whether or not it is already installed on your system |
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| 13:00.10 | kin9j | Bois |
| 13:00.24 | kin9j | Bois? |
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| 13:01.27 | kin9j | Cmon bois, lets talk debian |
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| 13:43.17 | r3n1c0n | mashaa, |
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| 13:46.02 | jelly | r3n1c0n, mashaa: try to discuss ranom images in #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:47.32 | deepblue | i get 'Error when getting information for file '/media/SharedII/DownloadsII/114 Everyman Chess': Input/output error.'when trying to open /media/SharedII/DownloadsII.how to fix this? |
| 13:47.59 | Raydiation | hi, is there an easy to set up mailserver available on debian 7? ive heard about opensmtpd and it looks really simple but its not in the sources |
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| 13:49.00 | Rikle_S | is there a way with debian stable to use apache2.4 without compiling myself ? |
| 13:49.24 | r3n1c0n | whowas jelly |
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| 13:49.57 | no_gravity | is "apt-get install openssh-server" the right way to get an ssh demon on debian 7? |
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| 13:50.25 | Ticho | no_gravity: yes |
| 13:50.40 | no_gravity | Ticho: ok,thanks! |
| 13:51.39 | jelly | Raydiation: yes and no. It's easy to set up eg. postfix and dovecot and make it work, but it's a whole different job if you want to put that on the internet and manage it on a daily basis against current threats. |
| 13:52.04 | Raydiation | jelly: you mean like spam? |
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| 13:52.30 | jelly | Raydiation: yes: incoming spam, outgoing spam, misconfigurations... |
| 13:52.49 | Ticho | ...and resulting membership in various blacklists |
| 13:53.11 | Raydiation | outgoing spam? |
| 13:53.17 | Raydiation | anything important to know? |
| 13:53.20 | Ticho | also, google's propensity to mark mail from random domains as spam, so gmail users will have problems receiving your mail |
| 13:53.21 | Raydiation | shellshock? |
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| 13:53.40 | jelly | Raydiation: there's 3-6 months of learning important stuff to know. |
| 13:53.47 | Raydiation | oh man :P |
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| 13:54.13 | Raydiation | so the legends are true that running your own mail server sucks |
| 13:54.17 | Ticho | helps if you already know the underlying protocols and how it all works |
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| 13:54.42 | Ticho | it doesn't suck, it's great, if you can spare the time to climb that initial learning curve |
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| 13:55.20 | jelly | Raydiation: if you don't have significant time to invest, use a hosted solution like gapps or fastmail.fm or whatever |
| 13:56.23 | Raydiation | i see thanks |
| 13:56.32 | Raydiation | i will try to dig into the dovecot setup |
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| 14:23.06 | nkuttler | ,v apache2 |
| 14:23.08 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze13; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; jessie: 2.4.10-3; sid: 2.4.10-3 |
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| 14:35.23 | colo-work | what's the best way to apply a singular role to a singular hosts; without having to a playbook for that host<->role tuple? |
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| 14:37.03 | mashaa | http://www.failreactor.com/image/5339 |
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| 14:40.58 | d33tah | hello, i just updated my kernel and my NIC broke down... how can i find out which package was there before so i could downgrade? |
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| 14:41.41 | cafuego | choose an older kernel from the boot menu, they dont get removed automagically. |
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| 14:42.28 | d33tah | i don't have any older one |
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| 14:48.06 | BlaDe^ | hi all |
| 14:48.21 | BlaDe^ | i have a disk image that wont boot-- i want to find the crontab fine but it isn't in /var/spool/cron -- where else could it be? |
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| 14:49.31 | heurist | BlaDe^: /etc/crontab |
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| 14:50.29 | BlaDe^ | heurist: nope :( that has the system ones to trigger cron.hourly etc |
| 14:50.37 | BlaDe^ | i'm looking for the ones i added in crontab -e |
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| 14:54.50 | jelly | BlaDe^: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ contains the per-user crontabs |
| 14:56.22 | BlaDe^ | jelly: yeah I thoguht so, that's empty |
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| 14:56.37 | BlaDe^ | jelly: I installed them on root fwiw |
| 14:57.04 | BlaDe^ | btw jelly i tried pivot_root last night, it wouldn't let me remove the write protect flag |
| 14:57.07 | jelly | BlaDe^: if you used "crontab -e" as root, there would be a file named /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
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| 14:57.23 | BlaDe^ | the reboot failed (it said that /sbin/init was missing, but the file is there) |
| 14:57.33 | BlaDe^ | luckily I did it at 2am so was minimal downtime as i migrated to a new VM |
| 14:57.38 | jelly | BlaDe^: which debian release is this? |
| 14:57.57 | BlaDe^ | jessie/sid |
| 14:58.26 | jelly | BlaDe^: which filesystem type? |
| 14:58.37 | jelly | BlaDe^: is it jessie or sid? |
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| 14:58.53 | BlaDe^ | ext4 .. jelly /etc/*-release says jessie/seid |
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| 14:59.48 | jelly | BlaDe^: ext4 ought to be stable, but it's possible you had some data loss |
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| 15:07.09 | richac | i did a verify on this kernel source download for 3.16.4 and i got a bad signature? |
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| 15:08.13 | Stummi | richac, what exactly have you verified and how? |
| 15:08.54 | richac | Stummi: I followed these intstructions https://www.kernel.org/category/signatures.html for verifying 3.16.4 kernel source |
| 15:08.57 | nikio_ | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch12.en.html#_simple_c_program_gcc |
| 15:09.09 | richac | i'm going to download it again |
| 15:09.11 | nikio_ | why does the line with the cat command look how it is? |
| 15:09.32 | nikio_ | it means catenate but in this example i dont see how it works.. compared to the examples in the manual |
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| 15:09.59 | Stummi | richac, so you downloaded the official kernel source and verified it? Wrong chan? |
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| 15:10.38 | richac | wrong chan? |
| 15:10.41 | heurist | nikio_: << EOF is called a heredoc it cats till it see the second EOF and then stops |
| 15:10.55 | nikio_ | oh ok : ) |
| 15:11.20 | richac | Stummi: i'm not sure what you mean. ya i just downloaded it again and got the same thing |
| 15:11.49 | Stummi | you downloaded this file? https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/linux-3.16.4.tar.xz |
| 15:11.57 | richac | at first it said public key not found.. so then I downloaded it, and now it says bad sig |
| 15:12.06 | heurist | nikio_: and it is the shell, not cat that handles the heredoc. see man bash search for "Here Documents" |
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| 15:12.12 | richac | Stummi: ya thats the one |
| 15:12.45 | Stummi | i will try it myself |
| 15:12.50 | richac | Stummi: tks |
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| 15:13.11 | nikio_ | cool heurist thx a lot |
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| 15:16.07 | Stummi | richac, you're right, I get the problem too |
| 15:16.20 | richac | Stummi compiled a kernel with 3.14.20 and grsecurity |
| 15:16.33 | richac | but i had a problem where iptables doesn't want to log with limits, the rules fail at commit line always |
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| 15:16.45 | buzzsaw | So I am not quite sure what changed but... This morning when I get to work things were not quite working right. For some reason I no longer have a default route :-s |
| 15:16.55 | richac | on my default kernel it works, so i decided today to try and compile a kernel without the patch maybe it will work |
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| 15:17.10 | Stummi | richac, however, you should ask the kernel guys about this. not sure if theres an IRC chan, if not, write to their mailing list |
| 15:17.12 | richac | and I noticed the pgp fail, and i just realized now that it also fails for the 3.14 kernel |
| 15:17.17 | buzzsaw | in my /etc/network/interfaces I have a iface eth0 inet static then I set the address netmask and gateway but... no worky today |
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| 15:17.45 | buzzsaw | if I query dhcp it gets set but... then no guarantee I will get the correct address assigned |
| 15:17.56 | richac | Stummi do you think this could be why i get a weird issue with the kernel? |
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| 15:18.14 | Stummi | No Idea |
| 15:18.18 | richac | whether i just do default options, or copy the old kernels .config, i get same issue |
| 15:18.20 | Stummi | I don't know anything about compiling the kernel |
| 15:18.24 | richac | i was going to try without the patch and see |
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| 15:18.56 | richac | Stummi: ty for checking the key for me though |
| 15:19.11 | Stummi | np |
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| 15:31.20 | inthl | is there a way to purge the iptables conntrack entries? |
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| 15:38.17 | zh1 | on installing chrome on debian wheezy 7.6 will i need contrib and non-free on sources list? |
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| 15:40.37 | Iridos | dpkg, versions chromium-browser |
| 15:40.37 | dpkg | Iridos: i haven't a clue |
| 15:40.43 | Iridos | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 15:40.44 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; wheezy: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1 |
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| 15:41.59 | Iridos | zh1, chromium-browser is actually gpl and hence in main. the google-branded chrome is not in debian at all |
| 15:42.02 | Iridos | dpkg, chrome |
| 15:42.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>. |
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| 15:42.07 | jmartinez | hi there |
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| 15:42.38 | jmartinez | how could I rollback to php5 5.4.30 if I am in php5-5.4.33 with APT? |
| 15:42.50 | zh1 | Iridos: does that mean ill need contrib and non free? |
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| 15:44.02 | Iridos | zh1, not if you install chromium-browser - as I just said, it is in main (and not in contrib or non-free) |
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| 15:44.31 | zh1 | i have chromium |
| 15:44.42 | zh1 | but i would like to have chrome too |
| 15:45.52 | Iridos | as I already also said... it's not in debian at all, because that has it packaged as chromium without the branding... |
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| 15:46.35 | zh1 | Iridos so that means that contrib and non free on sources is irrelevant? |
| 15:46.56 | Iridos | no, it means chrome is not in them |
| 15:47.05 | Iridos | you can only get it from google at https://www.google.com/chrome/ |
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| 15:47.38 | zh1 | so contrib and non free must be irrelevant if i cannot install it from there, no? |
| 15:48.20 | rfreeman_w | any chance of getting rid of systemd (default to alternative systems) in foreseeable future? |
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| 15:50.45 | zh1 | Iridos: im asking this cause i installed my machine from zero and after installing chrome from their site it wont start |
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| 15:51.12 | zh1 | but chromium runs |
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| 15:51.58 | heurist | zh1: chrome is not in debian, we can not help with that. |
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| 15:52.55 | zh1 | heurist: yep i dont expect help either, just was in doubt if it was on contrib and non free in sources too, but like said, guess not |
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| 15:53.43 | Lope | I don't have a /etc/iptables.rules file, where can i find them? |
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| 15:54.53 | noaer | hello guys |
| 15:54.57 | heurist | Lope: have you installed anything to handle that function? iptables-persistent maybe. |
| 15:55.18 | noaer | my external usb 3.0 external hard drive doesn't show up in nautilus |
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| 15:55.23 | noaer | how to fix? |
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| 15:59.40 | noaer | should I do this autofs and fstab stuff? |
| 15:59.45 | noaer | to solve this problem |
| 16:00.20 | Lope | heurist: no. will my iptables rules disappear when I reboot? |
| 16:00.46 | Lope | I just created a shell script to delete all the iptables rules and create all the rules I need. |
| 16:01.12 | rfreeman_w | Lope, yeah you should have a script normally. you can also use tool iptables save / load (there is a program for it) |
| 16:01.38 | heurist | Lope: unless you have some mechanism to store them and restore them on boot they will be gone. |
| 16:02.41 | heurist | Lope: the iptables-persistent package is a small wrapper around iptables-save/iptables-restore with an init script. |
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| 16:05.00 | Lope | okay, I'll just add the rules to my own custom script, so I can change everything in one place. thanks. |
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| 16:05.55 | Lope | BTW I'm running debian 7 wheezy with a 2.6 kernel and free -m is showing mem total 256, used 246, free 9, shared 0, buffers:0, cached:238 |
| 16:06.05 | Lope | but I've got absolutely nothing running. Any ideas? |
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| 16:06.36 | heurist | Lope: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 16:06.54 | stevvo | hello debian, i am having trouble with the large installation iso image |
| 16:07.22 | stevvo | ?? |
| 16:08.36 | stevvo | query |
| 16:08.55 | stevvo | debhelper: Please help! |
| 16:09.15 | danlamanna | define having trouble. |
| 16:09.29 | heurist | !errors |
| 16:09.32 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 16:10.06 | stevvo | it wont install, and the debootstrap keeps dislaying error 1 |
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| 16:11.59 | stevvo | dpkg: The first error displayed was the debootstrap one, displaying error 1 |
| 16:12.01 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, stevvo |
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| 16:12.20 | stevvo | ?? what does that mean? |
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| 16:12.44 | HyP3r | Hi all, I'm trying to set up an Linux Mint on a Computer with the Graphic Card VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE |
| 16:12.54 | HyP3r | The problem is that I have no graphics acceleration |
| 16:12.59 | HyP3r | Everything is really slow |
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| 16:13.20 | HyP3r | So I compiled this driver: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Openchrome/Installation/ |
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| 16:13.32 | heurist | HyP3r: you are in the debian channel. mint is not debian. |
| 16:13.39 | HyP3r | after successfully building I did make install |
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| 16:13.47 | HyP3r | Yes I know, but this is more a linux/debian problem |
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| 16:14.16 | HyP3r | And now I don't know if X11 is using the new binary's |
| 16:14.21 | HyP3r | How can I get this information |
| 16:15.08 | HyP3r | After all I have new binarys at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 16:15.35 | heurist | !based on debian |
| 16:15.38 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:16.01 | HyP3r | yes but X11 and those parts are on every #linux the same . |
| 16:16.05 | HyP3r | please help me :) |
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| 16:20.16 | tharkun | HyP3r: Yes you are right. My laptops sound keys work on everything except Debian. The devil is allways on the details you need to know exactly they tropicalized X to understand what is going on. |
| 16:20.50 | HyP3r | what? |
| 16:21.04 | dfgt | Hello, somebody could help me with a freeside installation in debian 7.6?? |
| 16:21.37 | dfgt | Please, Im really stuck |
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| 16:21.57 | centrx | What's that? |
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| 16:22.49 | dfgt | centrx: I get this error: freeside@debian:/home/gestion/Freeside$ freeside-setup -d example.com DBIx::DBSchema version 0.44 required--this is only version 0.4 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/FS/Schema.pm line 6. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/FS/Schema.pm line 6. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/FS/m2m_Common.pm line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/ |
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| 16:23.34 | dfgt | I use apt.-get upgrade and dist-upgrade an i have the same issue |
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| 16:23.51 | centrx | Where did you get this freeside-setup from? |
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| 16:24.19 | centrx | Compiling from source? |
| 16:24.32 | stevvo2222 | Hello, i have received an error on my install screen at the debootstrap stage error 1 |
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| 16:26.08 | dfgt | from http://www.freeside.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Freeside:3:Documentation:Installation#Installation |
| 16:26.08 | stevvo2222 | Hello, i have received an error on my install. This error is debootstrap eror 1 |
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| 16:26.21 | dfgt | and http://www.freeside.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Freeside:3:Documentation:InstallingOnDebian7 |
| 16:26.30 | centrx | stevvo2222, Post the complete error message at paste.debian.net |
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| 16:27.22 | centrx | dfgt, And you ran this long aptitude install command? |
| 16:27.31 | stevvo2222 | Ok centrx, what is the error? |
| 16:27.48 | centrx | dfgt, The error message you are getting looks like you have the wrong version of some Perl library |
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| 16:29.16 | dfgt | yes centrx, i ran this aptitude command |
| 16:31.06 | centrx | dfgt, So it looks like 0.40 is in wheezy, but the app wants 0.44, which is in testing/unstable |
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| 16:31.29 | centrx | dfgt, This implies the freeside package isn't really for wheezy, even though it's from the freeside-wheezy repository? |
| 16:31.51 | dfgt | centrx, how could i have the right version of perl ? , mabe i have the wrong repository? |
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| 16:31.56 | dfgt | *maybe |
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| 16:32.36 | centrx | dfgt, What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 16:36.22 | dfgt | centrx, there are my sources |
| 16:36.25 | dfgt | root@debian:/home/gestion# cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib de |
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| 16:37.45 | centrx | dfgt, Maybe got cut off -- try paste.debian.net -- but it looks like you don't have the freeside repository in there? |
| 16:37.48 | heurist | dpkg: tell zh1 -about msg |
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| 16:39.12 | zh1 | heurist: ok |
| 16:39.15 | dfgt | paste.debian.net |
| 16:39.28 | dfgt | ouch, i dont know |
| 16:39.37 | dfgt | to copy |
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| 16:40.59 | zh1 | using lxde chrome works, on a fresh installed debian on gnome nops, hmmm |
| 16:41.10 | heurist | dfgt: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 16:41.18 | ws2k3 | Hello, i'm having a pretty odd issue, i have a supermicro server with a SAS3008-IR raid controller(onboard) my debian install does not see the disk, however when i boot Knoppix(fdisk -l shows me the device, when i runned lsb_release -a inside knoppix it showed me that knoppix is realy debian 7.6 anyone? |
| 16:41.50 | andry | sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit ... @ dfgt |
| 16:42.08 | andry | without the ... |
| 16:43.02 | ws2k3 | i also downloaded the debian 7.6 DVD to make sure it was not that the driver is not in the netboot |
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| 16:45.03 | zh1 | dftg or an alternative cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 16:45.48 | bynarie | anyone in here know how to properly install the vbox guest additions with debian? The installer gives me error about building the main library????? |
| 16:46.27 | zh1 | bynarie you download file and use menu of vbox |
| 16:46.40 | zh1 | iguess |
| 16:46.52 | centrx | bynarie, Debian guest or host? |
| 16:47.05 | bynarie | centrx, deb=guest,host=win |
| 16:47.13 | bynarie | deb 7.6 |
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| 16:47.48 | bynarie | zh1, i know that but like i said its giving me errors |
| 16:48.12 | centrx | bynarie, You speak of an installer, do you mean apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 16:48.21 | centrx | -utils, -x11 |
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| 16:49.10 | zh1 | bynarie, seen this dont know if it helps http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/ |
| 16:49.14 | bynarie | centrx, no i am using the package provided by vbox. you basically use the menu of vbox to "insert" the cd.. it just mounts the iso as a cd drive, then i execute ./vboxlinuxadditions.run |
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| 16:49.35 | zh1 | bynarie: what error u get |
| 16:49.52 | bynarie | building main module failed |
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| 16:50.09 | bynarie | i think i figured it out.. i believe it was a dependcy issue |
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| 16:50.17 | bynarie | thank you guys |
| 16:50.28 | dfgt | centrx, http://txt.do/oow8 |
| 16:51.21 | centrx | dfgt, Seems like the person who maintains that repository must have screwed up, requiring 0.44 instead of 0.40 |
| 16:51.47 | bynarie | centrx, zh1 - thank you for your tips |
| 16:51.50 | centrx | dfgt, You could download the source code for freeside instead of the repository packages, compile for your systesm |
| 16:52.09 | centrx | bynarie, Yes you need the libraries to build/compile |
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| 16:52.28 | centrx | bynarie, I would think the Debian package would be a good solution that brings in all of those requirements for you |
| 16:52.36 | centrx | but might be a different version or something |
| 16:53.47 | bynarie | ok |
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| 16:58.27 | stevvo22 | Hi. My larger installation image failed at the debootstrap stage, error 1 |
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| 16:59.03 | stevvo22 | ?? |
| 16:59.03 | stevvo22 | Help |
| 16:59.13 | stevvo22 | |
| 17:00.07 | centrx | steve81, You have provided almost no usable information about the problem |
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| 17:00.18 | centrx | and, it's gone |
| 17:00.47 | stevvo22 | Hi. I received error 1 on debootstrap section of install |
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| 17:01.37 | centrx | stevvo22, You have provided almost no usable information about the problem. Don't just repeat your question, do some digging to define the problem and get information about it |
| 17:03.04 | stevvo22 | centrx, i have no idea |
| 17:03.20 | centrx | stevvo22, What were you doing at the time? |
| 17:03.29 | centrx | stevvo22, Where did you get this installation image? |
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| 17:18.07 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm looking for a hardware RAID controller with Debian support. BTW, do I need SAS drives to have indicator lights for faulty drives /w a backplane, or can I do this with a SATA? |
| 17:18.26 | grazfather | hey guys, I am apt-getting something (using ansible) and it's failing because it's trying to downloada prereq over http, but the host is ftp.uk.debian.org and doesn't accept http. Is there a way to force ftp? |
| 17:18.29 | pav5088 | (haven't purchased any hardware yet) |
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| 17:18.51 | centrx | grazfather, Why not use http.debian.net as the host? |
| 17:19.49 | grazfather | centrx: I'd love to, but I never specific the url |
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| 17:21.05 | grazfather | specified* |
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| 17:21.58 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: I'd strongly suggest not using hardware raid, but software raid |
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| 17:22.18 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: that said, a proper backplane will do the indicator lights whether the drives are SAS or SATA |
| 17:22.22 | DammitJim | I am trying to delete a file in a samba share |
| 17:22.34 | centrx | grazfather, I think http://ftp.uk.debian.org is supposed to work, but it seems to be broken now |
| 17:22.41 | centrx | grazfather, e.g. http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ works |
| 17:22.48 | DammitJim | the file is in a directory with permissions 775 and user:group nsload:rail |
| 17:22.50 | grazfather | ah interesting |
| 17:22.53 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: and by software raid, I mean linux software raid. |
| 17:23.01 | DammitJim | the files are owned by nsload:rail |
| 17:23.05 | grazfather | i can ping the host, so many just their web server isn't up |
| 17:23.15 | DammitJim | I believe I have write permissions through samba |
| 17:23.22 | DammitJim | what can I check to ensure things are set up correctly? |
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| 17:24.45 | pav5088 | dondelelcaro, doesn't software RAID make swapping drives a little complicated/manual? I'm not sure I'll always be there to save the day if anything goes wrong. |
| 17:25.46 | at_work | Hello, How do I enable di_debug logging during installation? Or how do I disable the requirement I have a valid gateway during installation? |
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| 17:26.06 | at_work | during a netinstall* |
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| 17:33.54 | ws2k3 | Hello, i'm having a pretty odd issue, i have a supermicro server with a SAS3008-IR raid controller(onboard) my debian install does not see the disk, however when i boot Knoppix(fdisk -l shows me the device, when i runned lsb_release -a inside knoppix it showed me that knoppix is realy debian 7.6 i also tryed to download the debian 7.6 DVD to check if that would work but it didnt |
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| 17:34.23 | mad_hatter | anyone ever had to install forticlientsll vpn on debian before? |
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| 17:38.04 | Freeaqingme | mad_hatter, we had one supplier attempt that ~1.5 years ago. They had to report various bugreports to fortinet and it took about 3 months before it all worked. That was a competent supplier (at least the bloke who tried to run it on debian) |
| 17:39.14 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: swapping drives isn't that complicated; you'll have to run commands, but you'll generally have to run commands even if it's hardware raid |
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| 17:39.43 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: the advantage is that the commands are consistent no matter what hardware raid you run |
| 17:39.44 | mad_hatter | fuckin shit man |
| 17:40.04 | mad_hatter | is there a way you can use a generic vpn client to connect ? |
| 17:40.15 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: it's generally just a matter of partitioning the new drive, and then running mdadm --add |
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| 17:42.00 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: do you see the controller and just no drives? |
| 17:42.11 | pav5088 | dondelelcaro, I've worked with some ancient Dell servers (I think they use LSI controllers?), and the hardware RAID is completely transparent ie. a red indicator light comes on, and the drive can be hotswapped out, and the new drive will be automagically rebuild without the OS seeing anything. |
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| 17:42.47 | pav5088 | I was just wondering if this would be possible a) with SATA drives, and b) it would be nice if it could work with software RAID |
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| 17:43.17 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: a) it's possible with sata drives. b) someone probably has scripts for mdadm that will do that |
| 17:43.34 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: it's just not something that you usually want done by default, because you might not actually want a new drive to be added to the array |
| 17:43.36 | pav5088 | I think there's a RAID monitoring daemon called mpt-status in Debian... I might be able to eg. attach a script which gets triggered or something. |
| 17:44.07 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: mpt-status only works with mpt (and some other) HW controllers |
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| 17:44.44 | pav5088 | nods |
| 17:45.05 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hotplug has an example of udev rules which automate the re-adding |
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| 17:45.51 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: but I must admit that I've never done that |
| 17:46.19 | pav5088 | Hmmm... I'll take a look at that... thanks |
| 17:46.24 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: an extra 5-10 minutes of admin time is usually worth the cost, unless you have huge numbers of drives |
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| 17:47.00 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro in knoppix i see the disk but the installer of debian 7.6 just sad no disks found |
| 17:47.03 | pav5088 | Not many drives, but I just won't be available to help these people all the time. |
| 17:47.18 | dondelelcaro | pav5088: ah, ok. |
| 17:47.34 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro i didnt check the console during the installer if it saw any controllers should i do that? and if i should do that which command i can/should use for that |
| 17:48.06 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: it'll be on vt4 or vt5 iirc; lspci and dmesg; should output information on the controller. |
| 17:48.26 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: I'm not familiar enough with that particular controller, but it's possible that you either need a newer kernel, or you're missing firmware |
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| 17:49.11 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro i also tryed to install ubuntu 14.04 which is pretty new and runs a newer kernel then debian 7.6 so to be honest i'm thinking of a bug |
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| 17:50.18 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: did ubuntu not work? |
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| 17:52.42 | grazfather | could someone provide me with a basic sources.list? Mine from this image seems to have a bogus (or down right now) source: http://ftp.uk.debian.org |
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| 17:55.01 | centrx | !sources.list |
| 17:55.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:55.30 | centrx | grazfather, ^ |
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| 17:55.44 | grazfather | cool bot. tyvm |
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| 17:56.56 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro no ubuntu didnt both |
| 17:57.11 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro i just checked and lspci showed me that linux is seeing the controller |
| 17:57.43 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: ah, ok. Well, if *worst* comes to worst, you can use knoppix to install Debian. |
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| 17:58.02 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: and keep the same kernel that knoppix is using until you find one that works in Debian |
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| 17:58.18 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: you might also try the jessie beta installer; that might work too |
| 17:58.27 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: but don't install jessie with it; install wheezy. |
| 17:58.39 | ws2k3 | is that possible? |
| 17:58.41 | dondelelcaro | (and install a backported kernel) |
| 17:58.50 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: I believe so; I haven't tested it recently myself |
| 17:59.12 | dondelelcaro | well, it's possible; I just don't know whether there are menu options to make it easy |
| 17:59.29 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:59.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 17:59.35 | ws2k3 | well.. i need this servers to be used in production enviroment |
| 17:59.50 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: right. you definitely want to install wheezy |
| 17:59.59 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: but you can do that from a jessie beta installer |
| 18:00.12 | dondelelcaro | hopefully using the menus, or manually if absolutely necessary |
| 18:00.32 | richac | hello all I'm trying to run this mempo script but it says permission dnied as root |
| 18:00.35 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro and do you have any idea why this is happening cause i saw that knoppix sees the disk just fine |
| 18:00.44 | ws2k3 | and basicly knoppix = debian 7.6 |
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| 18:00.52 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: the kernels are almost certainly different |
| 18:00.56 | grazfather | Great. is there a command line tool to change sources.list? I ask because I'd like to automate it |
| 18:01.02 | ws2k3 | i did lsb_release -a in knoppix and it showed me debian 7.6 |
| 18:01.02 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: and you probably also have different firmware faialble |
| 18:01.16 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: yeah, but that's not the kernel. uname -a; will tell you what kernel is running |
| 18:01.33 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: and if you check dmesg output, you might also see that the firmware is missing or something else has gone on |
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| 18:01.36 | richac | i had to make it executable nvm |
| 18:01.38 | heurist | !knoppix |
| 18:01.38 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 18:02.01 | dondelelcaro | heurist: yes, we're not actually supporting knoppix here. |
| 18:02.02 | ws2k3 | heurist thanks |
| 18:02.21 | ws2k3 | i am having an issue i have with ubuntu and with debian but i dont have the issue in knoppix |
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| 18:02.35 | heurist | dondelelcaro: yeah, just backing up your assertion that knoppix is not the same as debian. (: |
| 18:02.43 | dondelelcaro | ah; cool. |
| 18:02.46 | ws2k3 | heurist thanks anyway |
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| 18:03.14 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro is it any usefull to know which kernel knoppix is running? or is jessy basicly the only way to go? |
| 18:03.18 | heurist | ws2k3: knoppix will have been set up to boot on *anything* the wheezy installer is much more restricted. |
| 18:03.40 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: that'll give you some idea as to why knoppix works and jessie doesn't |
| 18:03.45 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: err, wheezy doesn't |
| 18:04.25 | heurist | ws2k3: try the testing installer, as dondelelcaro suggested, it will have a newer kernel, so it may work. |
| 18:04.54 | heurist | ws2k3: but note: |
| 18:04.56 | heurist | !testing installer |
| 18:04.57 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:05.21 | ws2k3 | ah okay |
| 18:05.22 | heurist | ws2k3: so install wheezy if you can, just use the testing installer. |
| 18:06.23 | heurist | feels some shame for hit and run bot abuse. but is immune to shame. |
| 18:06.38 | ws2k3 | heurist and how should i do that ? |
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| 18:13.19 | ws2k3 | heurist how can i use the jessy installer? |
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| 18:13.29 | centrx | !bot |
| 18:13.29 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:18.13 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:18.18 | AR45 | ^ |
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| 18:22.20 | johndoe | how can i reduce pulseaudio latency (play/pause commands seem to have a 1s delay as opposed to just using ALSA) |
| 18:22.26 | ws2k3 | dondelelcaro do you maby know how to use the jessy installer ? |
| 18:23.35 | nkuttler | johndoe: bypass or uninstall it? |
| 18:24.25 | johndoe | nkuttler: why would i do that, i want to use pulseaudio. is this latency inherent to pulseaudio? |
| 18:24.40 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: I haven't tried it recently, unfortunately |
| 18:24.40 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: but the install guide should give you some hints |
| 18:24.47 | dondelelcaro | (and someone here might now if you ask specific questions) |
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| 18:25.05 | tharkun | ,pciid 8086:0416 |
| 18:25.07 | judd | [8086:0416] is '4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0416 |
| 18:25.10 | nkuttler | johndoe: well, you will always get some latency, but 1s is certainly excessive |
| 18:25.17 | tharkun | ,pciid 8086:08b2 |
| 18:25.18 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 |
| 18:25.51 | dondelelcaro | heh; I always forget about that |
| 18:25.51 | tharkun | Can someone explain me how a kernel module can do graphics and wireless at the same time? |
| 18:26.01 | johndoe | nkuttler: you mean more latency with pulseaudio as opposed to ALSA? |
| 18:26.31 | nkuttler | johndoe: afaik by default it tries to save power, so more latency |
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| 18:26.46 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: not sure I follow |
| 18:26.51 | centrx | tharkun, They may just always be used together with the same integrated motherboard |
| 18:27.12 | nkuttler | johndoe: yeah, more than in alsa, but i got rid of pa, so i can't really help you improve it's performance |
| 18:27.43 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: the first one is a graphics controller, and the second one is something else; neither of them look to be wireless. |
| 18:27.44 | ws2k3 | okay i will look into that thanks |
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| 18:29.05 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: err, nevermind. the second one is wireless, and includes snd-hda-intel because it also does bluetooth, IIUC. |
| 18:29.09 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: A bit of frustration. 8086:0416 is a VGA display with kernel modules ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. Second one [8086:08b2] 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' Both are refered to the same kernel module |
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| 18:29.34 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: and the graphics card probably has HDMI, which also does sound |
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| 18:30.04 | tharkun | And what module does the Wifi ? |
| 18:30.14 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: apparently, there isn't one? |
| 18:30.52 | dondelelcaro | ah; it should be iwlifi in kernels > 3.10 |
| 18:31.05 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Anyway the VGA doesn't work with either module it works with the i915 and the wifi card at the moment is unknown to me. |
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| 18:31.28 | jhutchins | tharkun: You also might need a file in /etc/modules.d/ with the text "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 bt_coex_active=0" in it. |
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| 18:32.19 | tharkun | 3.16 with jessie on this end. |
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| 18:33.08 | tharkun | Something/someone messed with judd's database perhaps it needs some maintenance. |
| 18:33.24 | mad_hatter | hey folks is there a way you can tell info about a file from an ungzipped tarball |
| 18:33.26 | mad_hatter | ? |
| 18:33.28 | tharkun | dondelelcaro, jhutchins: Thanks for the info I will report later if it works |
| 18:33.36 | mad_hatter | per the instructions I should do a ./runthefile |
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| 18:33.42 | mad_hatter | but I keep getting a bash error that says the file does not exist |
| 18:34.57 | tharkun | What package holds iwlifi? |
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| 18:36.02 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: it's in the kernel |
| 18:36.19 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: so linux-image-*; you'll also need the firmware, though |
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| 18:36.45 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: so firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 18:38.36 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Thanks I'm not used to such simple set ups usually it is Broadcom PITA the usual suspects. |
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| 18:42.44 | mad_hatter | http://pastie.org/9635166 |
| 18:42.51 | mad_hatter | there's a visual of the problem im experiencing |
| 18:42.57 | mad_hatter | I'm usure why I can't execute that file |
| 18:43.35 | johndoe | nkuttler: k, thanks :) |
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| 18:43.38 | verodeb | hi |
| 18:43.47 | verodeb | what sid means |
| 18:43.49 | verodeb | in the repos? |
| 18:44.24 | verodeb | there is wheezy,jessy and sid.. iknow wheezy and jessy are the latest OS versions |
| 18:44.26 | verodeb | but sid? |
| 18:44.49 | nkuttler | !tell verodeb about sid |
| 18:44.54 | nkuttler | !tell verodeb about testing |
| 18:45.48 | verodeb | ok ty |
| 18:45.56 | verodeb | im interested in updating apache |
| 18:45.58 | verodeb | to 2.4 |
| 18:46.02 | verodeb | so as i see |
| 18:46.14 | verodeb | it is still in testing |
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| 18:47.32 | centrx | verodeb, Doing a source backport might work |
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| 18:47.54 | verodeb | how can i do that? |
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| 18:48.02 | verodeb | im on wheezy |
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| 18:49.49 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. To do math on the command line, do I have to prefix the equation with something special? |
| 18:50.02 | centrx | dpkg, tell verodeb about sns |
| 18:50.13 | centrx | verodeb, oh shoot wrong one, ignore that one |
| 18:50.18 | centrx | dpkg, tell verodeb about ssb |
| 18:50.45 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, I usually use bc -l program |
| 18:50.48 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, or just bc |
| 18:51.37 | verodeb | is this safer to compile directly from apache sources |
| 18:51.38 | verodeb | ? |
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| 18:51.49 | verodeb | or to use src backports? |
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| 18:52.09 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: https://www.shell-tips.com/2010/06/14/performing-math-calculation-in-bash/ (Yes) |
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| 18:53.09 | centrx | verodeb, It is easier and safer to use the Debian source packages yes |
| 18:53.54 | centrx | verodeb, The Apache source packages you may need to do more work to get it to compile, and the result will not be a Debian package that fits into the package management system |
| 18:54.09 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, when I used bc, I got 'File 2-1 is unavailable.' |
| 18:54.14 | verodeb | ok ty |
| 18:54.17 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks jhutchins! |
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| 18:54.58 | tharkun | jhutchins: "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 bt_coex_active=0" does it forces the iwlifi not to connect when cable is present? |
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| 19:00.57 | bettycla1p | I'm having a problem with wget that is specific to Debian: trying to wget an https url fails with "GnuTLS: A TLS fatal alert has been received." The problem was reported earlier this year (http://www.claudiokuenzler.com/blog/461/github-wget-download-tls-ssl-warning-debian-wheezy#.VDbacecWzy4) and the bug was presumably fixed in version 1.13.4-3+deb7u1. But I'm running that version and it's still buggy. Can anyone point me to a solution? |
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| 19:03.39 | jhutchins | tharkun: No, I'm not sure exactly what the second option does. It's coex not coax. The first option disables 11n. Might just have been for a particular version of the driver, but worth a try if it doesn't worth without it. |
| 19:04.13 | mad_hatter | any idea why ia32-libs-gtk is not installable? |
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| 19:05.25 | verodeb | so should i add deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:05.28 | verodeb | to download |
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| 19:05.43 | verodeb | compile/install automatically apache 2.4 |
| 19:05.44 | verodeb | ? |
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| 19:09.54 | at_work | How do I disable the requirement I have a valid gateway during installation (doing a preseed'd netinstall)? |
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| 19:14.32 | mcfrisk | how to hibernate in sid nowadays? xfce, ph-hibernate and "echo disk > /sys/power/state" don't seem to work |
| 19:15.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | mcfrisk, ask systemd to do it, use systemctl |
| 19:15.17 | DistroFeud | systemd |
| 19:16.04 | DistroFeud | theres no gui for systemd so go figure it out |
| 19:16.07 | mcfrisk | systemct says "A dependency job for hibernate.target failed..." |
| 19:16.34 | Nik05 | mcfrisk check the log |
| 19:16.47 | sysvalve | wow, systemd also is in charge of signalling hibernation/suspension? |
| 19:17.00 | sysvalve | looks like systemd is in charge of everything |
| 19:17.47 | Nik05 | why would that be suprising? |
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| 19:18.13 | Nik05 | its not like its something really different... |
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| 19:18.55 | DistroFeud | hibernation is deprecated all cool kids use suppend |
| 19:19.16 | dondelelcaro | sysvalve: the advantage of having systemd do it is that it can signal any process that wants to be notified when the system is being suspended |
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| 19:19.47 | fiola | sysvalve: All subsystems will go into the Single Point of Failure, it's the design plan. |
| 19:19.56 | sysvalve | Nik05: different with that? |
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| 19:20.23 | DistroFeud | hai KidCartouche__ |
| 19:20.36 | sysvalve | dondelelcaro: processes should care? |
| 19:20.39 | Nik05 | sysvalve managing services? |
| 19:20.46 | dondelelcaro | sysvalve: some processes do, yes. |
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| 19:21.12 | DistroFeud | ofcourse do you want to lose data? |
| 19:21.19 | dondelelcaro | sysvalve: for example, a process might want to sync to disk, it might want to lock the screen, etc. |
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| 19:21.34 | dondelelcaro | sysvalve: it also might want to know when it's come out of sleep so it can handle time slew appropriately |
| 19:22.02 | DistroFeud | systemd is your friend |
| 19:22.05 | sysvalve | ok, good points (except the sync to disk) |
| 19:22.25 | sysvalve | DistroFeud: i'm not critizising it. Just surprised that it also got the suspension function |
| 19:22.29 | MouseTheLuckyDog | In the past, when I attached a removable drive, it appeared in (KDE) Device Notifier. Now they don't. Why? |
| 19:22.38 | sysvalve | I'm so used to the old school way (pm-*) :) |
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| 19:23.43 | DistroFeud | systemd is here to supervise you so you dont do anything to jeopardize your system even intrentionally |
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| 19:24.46 | fiola | Next task, remove root so that can't do anything to jeopardize your system even intentionally |
| 19:24.52 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Yes, if PulseAudio is any indication systemd will do the jeopardizing for you. |
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| 19:25.28 | dondelelcaro | please take the systemd trolling elsewhere. |
| 19:25.41 | DistroFeud | take it to gentoo |
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| 19:25.49 | DammitJim | is there a way to see progress on a tftp server? |
| 19:25.54 | DammitJim | I have tftpd-hpa installed |
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| 19:26.19 | fiola | pro-systemd trolling is OK though, right? |
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| 19:28.57 | r3n1c0n | copy some firmware and/or correct configs from other deb/linux distro that will work? |
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| 19:29.40 | valdyn | r3n1c0n: that question has no really useful answer |
| 19:29.55 | valdyn | r3n1c0n: be specific |
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| 19:31.55 | r3n1c0n | well some hardware work on other distro's right? I dont know if it is possible but you could get the right ones from the other distro's if your video card or other things arent working? |
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| 19:32.29 | valdyn | r3n1c0n: makes no sense to use any hardware driver or firmware from another distro, usually |
| 19:32.37 | antoniodmora | hey guys, which browser do you use?? |
| 19:32.46 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 19:32.53 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 19:32.56 | valdyn | antoniodmora: ^^ |
| 19:33.02 | mcfrisk | so hibernation is now broken then, and I can't see anything in logs. In the past 10 years suspend never worked but seem to do so now. Baffled. All I did was apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
| 19:33.04 | antoniodmora | !iceweasel |
| 19:33.04 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. See also <iceweasel ntlm>. https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 19:33.12 | r3n1c0n | just some idea if you could not install it for some reasen. |
| 19:33.29 | r3n1c0n | Iceweasel > jondofox user/profile |
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| 19:34.27 | mcfrisk | uhm, what is that "Unit dev-disk-by\x2duuid-74ed8.. has failed" thing? |
| 19:34.47 | r3n1c0n | ye 64 bit working great indeed on the I5 :D |
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| 19:34.55 | valdyn | mcfrisk: you can find it in /dev/disk/by-id , probably |
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| 19:36.39 | mcfrisk | I guess I should go to #systemd with these problems.. |
| 19:37.09 | valdyn | mcfrisk: what is the problem? what is the whole error message? cant you find it in /dev/disk/by-id ? |
| 19:37.28 | valdyn | mcfrisk: s/by-id/by-uuid/ |
| 19:38.43 | mcfrisk | I have /etc/fstab with UUID's, and disks are in /dev/disk/by-id but systemd says "Unit dev-disk-by..." failed, and hibernation is broken. That failure is the only thing in the journal logs. |
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| 19:39.28 | totte | I'm trying to troubleshoot my GMail IMAP account in Kontact 4.14.1-1 on Debian Jessie, Akonadi Console displays the agent as being either "Offline" or "Server is not available". I tried restarting the agent - no dice. I tried enabling the Debugger, the Job Tracker, the Resources Scheduler and the Notification Monitor but no output is hinting at why it can't connect to the IMAP server. My phone has the exact same credentials and URLs - and works just fine. |
| 19:39.29 | totte | Where can I see the nitty-gritty? |
| 19:40.31 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: what does systemctl list-units; say for that unit? Does journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=thatunit; give you any output? |
| 19:40.36 | mcfrisk | ah, something didn't find swap on my system after dist-upgrade (kernel stayed same) |
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| 19:41.24 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: ah; yeah, that'd probably do it |
| 19:41.46 | mcfrisk | butbut this did work before dist-upgrade, did something change fstab? |
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| 19:45.38 | mcfrisk | manual swapon UUID=... works, /etc/fstab is correct with UUID's but systemd disk by id failed. hmm.. |
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| 19:46.21 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: what does systemctl status say for that unit? |
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| 19:50.34 | mcfrisk | dondelelcaro: saw the disk by-id failures before in 'journalctl -axn' but not anymore after manually adding swap and testing hibernation which works again.. |
| 19:51.14 | mcfrisk | ah, systemctl --all list-units says dev-disk-by\2xduuid-'s are dead |
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| 19:52.31 | mcfrisk | are initramfs's maybe out of date after few months of not updating sid.. |
| 19:53.24 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: it's possible |
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| 19:57.32 | mcfrisk | dondelelcaro: guess I'm hitting kernel vs. systemd requirements here. Build my own kernels using old config from debian, since years. On boot systemd is trying dev-by-id thing twice for minute and 30 seconds, and fails. I guess some dev-id kernel module should be loaded or built in before systemd can work.. |
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| 19:59.30 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: could be |
| 19:59.52 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: I used to build my own kernels, but I've basically stopped for at least 5 years now... generally not worth the time |
| 19:59.55 | unclezipper | I'm trying to migrate services from a physical machine to a virtual machine... I'm trying to copy over files in /var/lib/mysql and /etc/mysql to keep my configuration and databases, but the service refuses to start. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 20:00.24 | dondelelcaro | unclezipper: the log files should tell you more about what's going on |
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| 20:01.12 | unclezipper | dondelelcaro: There are no log files |
| 20:01.45 | dondelelcaro | unclezipper: there are almost always log files. You can also just run safe_mysqld, too. |
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| 20:04.47 | unclezipper | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/k5f0qqUV |
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| 20:17.34 | jhutchins | unclezipper: Set the debug level in my.cnf. Note that you'll want to set it back, it causes a big performance hit. |
| 20:17.49 | dondelelcaro | unclezipper: or alternatively, start mysql with safe_mysqld |
| 20:17.55 | jhutchins | unclezipper: Then again, it might just not be getting far enough tl log anything. |
| 20:18.02 | dondelelcaro | unclezipper: which will presumably give you output as to why it's unable to start |
| 20:18.16 | jhutchins | unclezipper: Yes, and/or start the binary directly rather than with the init script. |
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| 20:22.27 | unclezipper | jhutchins, dondelelcaro: If either of you are running a MySQL server, could you tell me the user/group that owns the files in /var/lib/mysql? I believe this to be a permissions issue |
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| 20:25.16 | unclezipper | Nevermind. It was mysql:mysql(of course). Changing the permissions fixed my issues |
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| 20:29.29 | verodeb | there is conflict |
| 20:29.35 | verodeb | in building from source |
| 20:29.37 | verodeb | apache2 |
| 20:29.59 | verodeb | :( |
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| 20:31.41 | Lope | /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 34: Bad configuration option: PermitTTY. The line is "PermitTTY no" |
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| 20:31.58 | verodeb | is mod_php not compatible with mpm_worker? |
| 20:32.25 | valdyn | Lope: read the manpage? |
| 20:33.03 | Lope | valdyn: I did: Specifies whether pty(4) allocation is permitted. The default is âyesâ. |
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| 20:33.56 | jhutchins | unclezipper: Yay! |
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| 20:34.08 | valdyn | Lope: put the whole config file on a paste site |
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| 20:39.04 | mcfrisk | people running custom kernels are in trouble with systemd... |
| 20:40.10 | Lope | sshd config with PermitTTY problem http://codepad.org/H7n6NHLo |
| 20:45.41 | mcfrisk | does systemd package in debian check for required kernel features? udev seems to do that.. |
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| 20:46.03 | jhutchins | Lope: Are yuo sure that's in the current openssh? |
| 20:46.18 | jhutchins | Lope: I don't see it in my man page. |
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| 20:47.58 | valdyn | Lope: that option is not available in wheezy, but it is available in jessie and later |
| 20:48.13 | valdyn | Lope: i have no idea why your sshd and your manpage dont match |
| 20:49.13 | Lope | okay. my mistake sorry. I was reading the manpage on my ubuntu machine and trying to get this sorted on my debian machine. sorry :P |
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| 20:51.24 | mcfrisk | my bug systemd problems is #763197 |
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| 20:55.45 | dondelelcaro | mcfrisk: ah, awesome. Looks like Thibault has already proposed a patch for it |
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| 20:55.57 | jhutchins | Lope: It's a recently added feature. Google it and you should get the bugreport/patch discussions. |
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| 20:58.09 | mcfrisk | dondelelcaro: yep, and udev has similar kernel feature checks already, just copy-paste to systemd.. |
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| 21:00.09 | at_work | Is it possible to get the debian installer to log debug entries while booting? |
| 21:00.25 | mcfrisk | uhm, I don't feel well anymore: apt-get build-dep systemd -> gnome-common etc and 96.8 MB on a proper devel machine with all possible build essential and much more already, sigh... |
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| 21:01.50 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 21:03.28 | mcfrisk | does an init really need python3-dev, for what, bindings? |
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| 21:06.42 | valdyn | mcfrisk: most of this is not for init |
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| 21:08.41 | Lope | ssh: Could not resolve hostname 192.168.0.5:3310: Name or service not known ? |
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| 21:09.47 | valdyn | Lope: so ssh does not take that syntax |
| 21:10.13 | valdyn | Lope: youre using (part of) URL syntax for ssh, doesnt work |
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| 21:11.00 | Lope | what's the correct syntax? normally I use "ssh -l bob ip" |
| 21:11.14 | Lope | now I'm trying "ssh -l bob ip:port" |
| 21:11.14 | valdyn | Lope: ssh -p <port> |
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| 21:12.04 | valdyn | Lope: ssh -p <port> <user>@<ip> |
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| 21:12.11 | Lope | thanks :) |
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| 21:13.36 | tharkun | jhutchins: Thanks it works fine without that line. |
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| 21:15.29 | jhutchins | tharkun: Without the module options? |
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| 21:15.34 | tharkun | Yes |
| 21:15.45 | jhutchins | Good to know, scratch that link. |
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| 21:19.56 | gms | hi all. I wonder why "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" is not in sources.list as default ? |
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| 21:22.33 | Otyugh | hey. If your HDD that was totally silent (but a very light noise of rotation) begin to make a strange sound (reminding the sound of a vacuum -not as noisy of cours-) |
| 21:22.54 | Otyugh | should I check something ? |
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| 21:25.11 | careta | does anyone know why chromium stopped being updated? is there some kind of conflict or freeze? |
| 21:25.31 | careta | chromium used to be updated frequently even in stable for every new release, but now it's 3 releases behind (37 -> 40) |
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| 21:26.13 | mtn | ,v chromium |
| 21:26.15 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 37.0.2062.120-2; sid: 37.0.2062.120-4 |
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| 21:30.37 | tharkun | Otyugh: Your hdd might be at its EOL or it just got a specle of dust that is making the noise. or it got loose or ... Yes there are a miriad things that can happen to it. Just have a current backup only to avoid crying if it is case #1 |
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| 21:39.05 | Eulipion | what is the right thing to do when a mirror expired? wheezy-backports did today, Valid-Until: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 14:46:58 UTC |
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| 21:42.55 | b3d0u1n | When I run apt-get update I'm getting the two errors shown here at the bottom, even though the two sources are both valid: http://pastebin.com/05f85y0A. This is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/a4U7vLFf |
| 21:43.04 | pzn | How can I have a file with size bigger than the filesystem? logs here: http://pastebin.com/wCV8rKVm |
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| 21:46.07 | dondelelcaro | pzn: easily, if it's a sparse file |
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| 21:46.45 | dondelelcaro | pzn: which is almost certainly the case there |
| 21:47.27 | pzn | dondelelcaro, how can I test if it is a sparsefile? |
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| 21:49.36 | dondelelcaro | pzn: ls -lks sparsefile; for example |
| 21:49.50 | pzn | dondelelcaro, however it seems a software bug... an imap server would never need to create an "ssl cache file" with 300GB... I should get imap server docs about how to recreate this file |
| 21:50.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sparse file is also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file |
| 21:50.06 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 21:50.35 | dondelelcaro | pzn: dunno, it could be using the cache file with some layout to ease locating ssl certs in the cache |
| 21:50.41 | dondelelcaro | pzn: but yes, it does seem odd |
| 21:51.18 | dondelelcaro | I should also note that you might want to consider using dovecot instead of courierimap |
| 21:51.43 | pzn | dondelelcaro, 1.2MB real size, 321G apparent size |
| 21:52.10 | pzn | ok, I'll use this big-file reason for switching to dovecot |
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| 21:53.14 | Eulipion | what can i do about this "wheezy-backports/Release is expired (invalid since 7h 5min 51s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." |
| 21:53.31 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: use a more up to date mirror? |
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| 21:53.50 | Eulipion | like? mirrors.kernel.org isnt UTD ? |
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| 21:54.32 | Eulipion | curl -L -s http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release | head |
| 21:55.05 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: it's 7 days out of date. |
| 21:55.10 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: compare that with url -L -s http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release | head |
| 21:55.31 | dondelelcaro | s/url/c&/ |
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| 21:56.01 | Eulipion | thanks. 7 hours, not days |
| 21:56.16 | Eulipion | today is oct9 |
| 21:56.19 | [[derek]] | what is the easiest way I can give each user a folder in /var/www so they can host webpages? |
| 21:56.41 | [[derek]] | ideally it would be linked to a folder in their home directory called web or something |
| 21:56.42 | Eulipion | mod_userdir |
| 21:56.52 | Eulipion | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/public_html.html |
| 21:56.54 | Eulipion | [[derek]]: ^ |
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| 21:57.34 | [[derek]] | Eulipion: thank you! |
| 21:57.42 | Eulipion | np |
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| 21:58.32 | [[derek]] | I want to set up a linux server for people on my course to host webpages and do unixy things, but I'm not sure there will be enough intrest |
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| 22:00.25 | vol4ko_d | start with cheaper solution first then, for example get 512mb cheap vps :) |
| 22:00.59 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:46:58 UTC |
| 22:01.05 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: Valid-Until: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 14:46:58 UTC |
| 22:01.28 | [[derek]] | vol4ko_d: thats what I've done |
| 22:01.35 | Eulipion | dondelelcaro: isnt the valid-until the date that matters? |
| 22:01.41 | dondelelcaro | Eulipion: and it's now Thu Oct 9 22:01:20 UTC 2014. It's 7 days out of date, and has been invalid for 7 hours. |
| 22:01.45 | [[derek]] | $100 free digital ocean credit for students :) |
| 22:01.51 | Eulipion | i c |
| 22:01.54 | Miesco | Hi. When I close my laptop lid it goes into sleep mode. When I open it the screen turns on and then turns off and I have to hit the power button to leave sleep mode. Is this normal? |
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| 22:02.05 | Eulipion | hahaaha |
| 22:02.10 | donvito | whats default x session in debian? |
| 22:02.18 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: no, that sounds like you have two different things putting your laptop to sleep |
| 22:02.26 | [[derek]] | where is the httpd-userdir.conf located? |
| 22:02.59 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: I know acpid is one of them, perhaps pm-utils is also in action? |
| 22:03.01 | Eulipion | [[derek]]: everything is in /etc/apache2 |
| 22:03.06 | [[derek]] | cheers |
| 22:03.18 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: or systemd, yeah. Depends which one you're using |
| 22:03.26 | Eulipion | [[derek]]: apt-get install tree && tree /etc/apache2 |
| 22:04.36 | [[derek]] | I found it |
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| 22:20.24 | [[derek]] | Eulipion: things are happening! |
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| 22:34.26 | emacer | I have an NFS server on my LAN that I would like to be able to access from private LANs that are being created for testing purposes. Anyone have any idea what the best way to bridge NFS traffic from the private LANs to the regular LAN would be? I can't seem to export an NFS mount, and forwarding via iptables is tricky to get working |
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| 22:36.41 | dgeary2 | emacer, please explain what you mean by 'private LAN' and 'regular LAN' |
| 22:38.16 | emacer | dgeary2, I have a machine with two ethernet ports; will call it Rudy. On one, it's a dhcp server. On the other, it's a DHCP client of another network, which we'll call Jane. I want to allow the machines which get their IP address from this machine, Rudy, to mount NFS shares on Jane's network. |
| 22:38.17 | dgeary2 | Also see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html |
| 22:38.26 | Spr1ng | How do I determine if a currently active running service will start automatically when the system boots the next time? |
| 22:38.47 | emacer | Spr1ng, look for it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:39.01 | emacer | Spr1ng, and /etc/rc$(runlevel).d/ |
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| 22:39.32 | Eulipion | service --status-all | grep <svc> |
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| 22:40.04 | Spr1ng | thanks |
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| 22:44.07 | dgeary2 | emacer, what do you mean by "I can't seem to export an NFS mount"? |
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| 22:46.12 | emacer | dgeary2, if, on Rudy, I mount the NFS share that's hosted on Jane's network, then put an entry in /etc/exports to that directory, the NFS client on Rudy's network can't mount the share hosted (rehosted) by Rudy |
| 22:46.34 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 22:46.50 | emacer | it gives an error |
| 22:46.53 | emacer | not supported |
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| 22:49.17 | dgeary2 | emacer, 'man exports' |
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| 22:50.10 | emacer | crossmnt? |
| 22:50.13 | dgeary2 | emacer, first sentence in the description: "The file /etc/exports contains a table of local physical file systems on an NFS server that are accessible to NFS clients." |
| 22:50.54 | emacer | dgeary2, so... how do I export a remote fs? |
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| 22:59.37 | Eulipion | you export a local filesystem, u mount a remote one. |
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| 23:01.48 | rj46 | which logs file are usefull when server not boot with new compiled kernel ? |
| 23:02.05 | dgeary2 | emacer, you mentioned one of the networks was for testing, is traffic able to be routed between the two networks? |
| 23:02.18 | somiaj | rj46: I'd start with /var/log/messages |
| 23:03.14 | dgeary2 | rj46, uh, how far didn't it boot? |
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| 23:04.38 | rj46 | somiaj: thanks, unfortunately I have checked them I cant see there reason why it failed ;/ |
| 23:04.58 | dgeary2 | emacer, hm, Eulipion does have a point. you could mount it on the dual-homed host and then export the mount. |
| 23:05.16 | somiaj | rj46: usually you see the last ting before it failed. Do you know what part it gets at boot or do you just get a kernel panic? |
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| 23:05.31 | Eulipion | dgeary2: maybe. u cannot export an nfs mount |
| 23:05.56 | Eulipion | if its a multipath storage device, sure, but then why |
| 23:05.57 | emacer | dgeary2, no, only NFS traffic should pass from the test network to network "Jane" |
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| 23:07.06 | dgeary2 | emacer, the usual method of controlling traffic flow between 2 networks is a combination of routing and firewalling |
| 23:07.12 | rj46 | dgeary2: I am not sure, i got only ssh |
| 23:07.34 | rj46 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/8shyLgDp there is few last lines, 23:53 it failed |
| 23:07.47 | emacer | dgeary2, yeah, which I'm trying, but failing to get working correctly |
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| 23:09.09 | dgeary2 | emacer, remember routing has to be set up for each direction, and tcpdump comes in handy |
| 23:10.01 | movic | hi guys, need some help. I have debian sever with many domains on it. One of the domains mail server is managed by google apps, other work on exim. Server is managed by directadmin. I have problem with sending mails from other domains to the domains which mail is managed by google. |
| 23:10.18 | movic | I don know if this is clear |
| 23:10.25 | movic | for you |
| 23:10.27 | dgeary2 | rj46, sorry for the stupid question, but if it didn't boot then how did you get those logs? |
| 23:10.30 | movic | but I hope so |
| 23:10.31 | movic | ;) |
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| 23:11.33 | emacer | dgeary2, thanks for the reminder about tcpdump |
| 23:11.43 | rj46 | dgeary2: only one kernel makes some trouble, others are fine |
| 23:12.34 | dgeary2 | rj46, okay then, so you have the ability to power cycle the machine and choose a kernel. is that correct? |
| 23:13.02 | rj46 | dgeary2: i got netboot option |
| 23:13.35 | dgeary2 | as in PXE boot? |
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| 23:15.39 | rj46 | dgeary2: not as pxe |
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| 23:16.40 | dgeary2 | rj46, i don't understand what you mean by 'i got netboot option' |
| 23:17.43 | rj46 | dgeary2: anyway its not the point, how to find out why one of kernels not boot up |
| 23:17.47 | [[derek]] | how can I set up a chat room on my machine so all users currently connected to it can talk together? |
| 23:18.37 | dgeary2 | rj46, how to communicate with a non-booting kernel? |
| 23:19.07 | Archos | :q |
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| 23:19.35 | rj46 | dgeary2: i got new kernel try to start debain with it and it didnt boot. Where i can find out why |
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| 23:20.53 | dgeary2 | rj46, if you have serial console then use kernel command line to tell kernel to output messages on it instead |
| 23:21.19 | rj46 | dgeary2: i don't |
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| 23:21.42 | mischief | hi. how can i prevent alt-left/right from switching virtual terminals? |
| 23:21.49 | mischief | i have debian jessie |
| 23:21.56 | dgeary2 | if you have a baseboard management controller with KVM functionality, then use that to see what is on the screen |
| 23:22.09 | dgeary2 | rj46, ^ |
| 23:23.44 | dgeary2 | rj46, what resources do you have available that could possibly show you the messages that the kernel prints as it is booting? |
| 23:24.09 | rj46 | dgeary2: I guess not much its kimsufi |
| 23:25.31 | dgeary2 | rj46, how do you choose which kernel to boot? |
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| 23:28.38 | rj46 | dgeary2: have you ever had some unix dedicated server? |
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| 23:29.12 | rj46 | dgeary2: i dont want to be mean, but you seem to be big gui user |
| 23:29.36 | dgeary2 | rj46, no offense taken |
| 23:30.03 | somiaj | rj46: a debian kernel works just fine it is just your custom one that is failing? |
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| 23:30.27 | rj46 | somiaj: indeed |
| 23:30.49 | somiaj | rj46: compare the logs to the one that works, see if you can see what is supose to happen after the imklog is started. |
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| 23:33.12 | rj46 | somiaj: i will do that, i had hope there would be somethin else |
| 23:33.17 | somiaj | rj46: I would think it would be something slighty after that point that is failing. |
| 23:33.18 | rj46 | thanks for help guys! |
| 23:34.02 | somiaj | rj46: maybe cmopare the kernel configs of the two kernels looking at things that are missing from yours but in the debian one is another thing to look at too |
| 23:36.36 | rj46 | somiaj: or maybe its because I cross compiled it on arch with haswell to atom, but all seems fine |
| 23:37.07 | rj46 | its late, i will check this tomorrow |
| 23:37.14 | rj46 | thank you guys for help :) |
| 23:37.22 | rj46 | somiaj , dgeary2 ^ |
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| 23:45.31 | K-202 | Hi. I'm going to install Debian from network but I want to boot from floppy disk. Is it still supported? |
| 23:46.27 | DistroFeud | no |
| 23:46.48 | somiaj | I'm unsure if the netboot images are small enough to fit on a floppy anymore. |
| 23:47.18 | K-202 | BTW my 10-or-more-year floppy disk still works |
| 23:47.52 | somiaj | K-202: could you just remove the hd from that machine, install debian on it either with the debian installer or deboot strap in another machine then move the hd back? |
| 23:48.29 | DistroFeud | just use pxe boot |
| 23:48.38 | DistroFeud | its the sanest really |
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| 23:52.49 | K-202 | somiaj: No, not now. PXE - "To do so, you need a network boot server. As there are no fiducial boot servers out in the wild, you need to set up your own." I have only one machine now. Another way is to install from hard disk partition but will it work? In case of Debian, it was impossible (it wanted to unmount all partitions before installation). |
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| 23:53.59 | K-202 | I installed Mandriva 2007 and openSUSE from floppy disk so I wonder why it's not possible in Debian :) |
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| 23:56.41 | benzrf | hey |
| 23:56.50 | benzrf | it's not possible to get libc6 2.14 on wheezy, is it? |
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| 23:57.42 | tensorpudding | How do you force apt to ignore a package that is not properly installed? |
| 23:58.04 | Mousey | uninstall it? |
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| 23:58.24 | tensorpudding | If I do it uninstalls some packages I want to keep, because gnome is silly. |
| 23:58.45 | Mousey | apt-get remove packageyoudontwant packageyoudowant+ otherpackageyoudowant+ |
| 23:58.50 | Mousey | note the trailing + |
| 23:59.11 | Mousey | if it can't resolve your request for some reason, it'll tell you |
| 23:59.15 | Mousey | and tell you why |
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