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| 00:00.23 | tensorpudding | It does what I expect, it tells me that gnome-games relies on iagno and I can't remove it. |
| 00:00.54 | Mousey | lol, i just went through this very thing |
| 00:01.08 | benzrf | it's not possible to get libc6 2.14 on wheezy, is it? |
| 00:01.21 | tensorpudding | It's a jessie problem right now, I expect a lot of people are going through it. |
| 00:01.52 | Mousey | well.. "problem", it's just iagno (and some other package sharing the same file) |
| 00:02.07 | tensorpudding | I'd just go and grab the patched version that was uploaded to unstable today but I can't figure out where I can get it. |
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| 00:03.59 | tensorpudding | Maybe dget or something? |
| 00:05.57 | tensorpudding | But then I guess I'd have to build it... |
| 00:06.19 | tensorpudding | Does anything break if the 'gnome' and 'gnome-games' packages are removed? |
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| 00:17.35 | K-202 | I have: one PC, one floppy disk, 2 empty ext2 partitions, maybe some empty CDs. CD-ROM seems broken and my BIOS doesn't boot USB sticks. What's the best way to install Debian? |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:17.59 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | K-202: do you have any floppy disks? |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | K-202: does it have an OS currently installed? |
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| 00:19.30 | K-202 | abrotman: yes, the one floppy disk that works is inserted in the device for years |
| 00:19.36 | abrotman | you don't have more? |
| 00:19.51 | K-202 | abrotman: probably all other floppy disks I own are broken |
| 00:20.05 | abrotman | and does it have an OS currently installed? |
| 00:20.20 | K-202 | abrotman: Windows XP, Mandriva 2007 (seems unusable) |
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| 00:20.55 | abrotman | K-202: Does XP actually work? |
| 00:20.58 | K-202 | yes |
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| 00:21.20 | abrotman | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 00:22.59 | DistroFeud | http://www.goodbye-ty.com/ |
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| 00:24.16 | DistroFeud | there are no windows in linux just WMs |
| 00:25.12 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:28.49 | K-202 | abrotman: it seems it just extracts installation files onto a disk (probably NTFS partition) and mounts a folder as installation disk |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | K-202: I've never used it, I'm just giving it to you as an option |
| 00:29.35 | K-202 | I might try extracting official net installer CD into HDD partition (ext) and boot from it |
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| 00:32.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell K-202 about hd-media |
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| 00:33.15 | K-202 | there is also http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ but Avast! found a virus |
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| 00:35.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:35.57 | K-202 | I think the safiest way is to prepare installation files manually as in "A.2.4. Booting from hard disk" |
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| 00:53.08 | mikodo | Hi, I read in different sites/pages https://wiki.debian.org/ to use Apt or Aptitude. I would like to settle on one. Which is preferred? What do you guys use? |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | the one that works for you |
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| 00:55.42 | mikodo | abrotman, Okay. Can I ask which you use? |
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| 00:56.33 | abrotman | the one that works for the situation |
| 00:57.00 | mikodo | abrotman, I see. I guess, I will do that too. Thanks |
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| 01:01.25 | DistroFeud | http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29456257 |
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| 01:01.54 | abrotman | DistroFeud: This isn't a social channel |
| 01:01.59 | K-202 | Oh, Debian netinst CD has already setup.exe file - I will try it |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | DistroFeud: try to paste your garbage elsewhere |
| 01:02.31 | DistroFeud | abrotman: this will take over your job |
| 01:02.41 | DistroFeud | you should read about it |
| 01:02.53 | DistroFeud | your new boss |
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| 01:03.09 | abrotman | DistroFeud: Please go play elsewhere, thank you |
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| 01:11.53 | MarvelDigital | is there a way to upgrade the nvidia glx drivers so they're the same as the X driver? I was trying to get the drivers updated, but it has a mismatch, 319.82 and 319.17, i'm using wheezy 3.2.0.4 amd i can't get my x server started |
| 01:12.47 | K-202 | When I run setup.exe, it says 'Cannot find win32-loader.ini' but it exists. Some people had this issue but no solution on forums. |
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| 01:18.27 | K-202 | BTW is any difference for Debian if I use GRUB1 instead of GRUB2? |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | You oshuld use grub2 |
| 01:19.41 | K-202 | GRUB1 loads itself faster and I prefer menu.lst |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | use grub2 |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | unless you have a good reason, use grub2 |
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| 01:22.28 | srged | anny app with gui for splitting mp3 ? |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | audacity |
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| 01:23.58 | srged | abrotman: thank you |
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| 01:32.05 | freetos00 | anyone know how to get a binary for " http://repo.mate-desktop.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages" it fails to locate the linux mate during an update |
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| 01:32.55 | abrotman | freetos00: you're in the wrong channel, that isn't supported here |
| 01:33.14 | freetos00 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:34.05 | K-202 | but what reasons to use grub2 than grub1 except it's newer? |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | K-202: more features, grub1 isn't supported anymore? |
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| 01:46.12 | fiola | K-202: Grub2 requires slightly more work (need to invoke update-grub each time after an edit of the 40_custom config file), but it's not a lot of difference. Might as well migrate before grub1 gets deprecated. |
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| 01:49.45 | abrotman | it already is .. |
| 01:50.01 | unclezipper | Just migrated my physical server to a VM. For some reason, I have intermittent periods where all connections to the VM are refused(SMTP,IMAP, HTTP/S, SSH, etc.). Any ideas? |
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| 01:54.10 | nell | hey |
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| 01:54.13 | nell | processing isnt working |
| 01:54.38 | unclezipper | NMAP also shows that all ports are closed... Might this be a problem with my router? |
| 01:55.11 | unclezipper | nell: What do you mean, exactly? |
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| 01:56.10 | nell | when i hit run, nothing shows up |
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| 01:59.06 | abrotman | hit run? |
| 01:59.44 | nell | it wont open the display window |
| 01:59.47 | nell | when I hit run |
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| 02:02.24 | abrotman | nell: you might want to give more detail |
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| 02:06.06 | nell | i downloaded the latest processing, run it from command line ./processing, I enter some code into console, hit run, and nothing happens |
| 02:06.28 | nell | http://a.pomf.se/ocgefe.png |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | nell: downloaded what from where? |
| 02:07.10 | nell | processing from processing.org |
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| 02:07.37 | abrotman | nell: How is this related to Debian? |
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| 02:07.50 | nell | imrunnning debian wheezy and debian squeeze |
| 02:07.55 | nell | and i tried on both systems |
| 02:07.57 | nell | neither of them work |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | nell: but we didn't give you that binary .. ask the people that created it? |
| 02:08.17 | Arrowmaster | we dont support random binaries |
| 02:08.34 | nell | s-sorry |
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| 02:11.35 | benzrf | is there any way to get libc6 2.14 on wheezy ?? |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | not without breaking it |
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| 03:29.51 | Dongyancai | Hello, I'm using debian stable with 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel. I noticed it used a 80x24 console now instead of a high resolution console after a recent update. How to move back to high resolution console? |
| 03:30.56 | wsky | check your /etc/default/grub |
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| 03:32.38 | richac | wow paxctl is so easy anyone can use it |
| 03:32.40 | Dongyancai | wsky, I should set GRUB_GFXMODE to the value matching my own machine? |
| 03:32.51 | richac | and the grsecurity autoconfig options for the kernel are not bad at all |
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| 03:33.06 | richac | i'm going to make another one and choose security over performance i bet I notice no diff |
| 03:33.50 | wsky | Dongyancai: what does it contain atm? |
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| 03:34.06 | Dongyancai | 640x480 |
| 03:35.16 | wsky | try, like 1280x1024 and do grub-update |
| 03:35.40 | wsky | i'm unsure would it support widescreen resolutions |
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| 03:38.15 | bynarie | grub-update??? |
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| 03:38.23 | bynarie | do u mean update-grub? |
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| 03:48.34 | Dongyancai | I made a try, grub is in 1280x1024, but the linux console moves back to 80x24 console. |
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| 04:16.40 | Dongyancai | wsky, solved, using GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=[widthxheight] in /etc/default/grub |
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| 04:30.09 | lionroars | does Haswell Graphics work with Debian ? |
| 04:32.59 | andry | yes |
| 04:33.11 | andry | had no problems here |
| 04:33.11 | lionroars | andry, with Stable? |
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| 04:34.55 | themill | I think an updated intel xorg driver package was uploaded to wheezy-backports to provide support for that |
| 04:34.59 | andry | for me it worked. but i upgraded the drivers later nayway |
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| 04:36.44 | lionroars | andry, it worked as in ? What did work ? 3d ? |
| 04:38.09 | unclezipper | dns lookups in aptitude are throwing back ipv6 addresses on all of my Debian machines, and it's taking a long time(2+ minutes) to resolve. At first I thought it was just the Debian servers, but it seems to be happening with non-official repos as well. Is anyone else having this issue? |
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| 05:33.16 | cloudowind | hello how am i going to install an already downloaded package for debian?am i gonna use dpkg or apt-get or dselect or what?thank you |
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| 05:39.30 | tekkbuzz | cloudowind: install local file with: dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 05:59.15 | mcfrisk | dh question: how to rebuild a package? "fakeroot debian/rules binary" just exists with "dh binary --with autoreconf,gir,python3 --parallel". I think I've seen this problem on many packages but haven't figured out howto do quick recompilations when changing preinst etc scripts. |
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| 06:30.33 | joeytwiddle | For low memory machines, https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom kills runaway processes before your system grinds to a halt. It has saved my system quite a few times recently. |
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| 06:36.43 | cloudowind | hello how will i update my package management system to tell it that i already installed a package compiled by source code..all i wanna know is how to register this compiled package to my package manaeement system via dpkg |
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| 06:44.14 | joeytwiddle | cloudowind, apt-get install equivs - that package may help you |
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| 06:44.58 | joeytwiddle | failing that, you could try tarring up your package, then ask alien to turn it into a .deb :-o |
| 06:44.58 | cloudowind | i installed the package already |
| 06:45.33 | cloudowind | do i have to turn it to .deb for the package management to manage it? |
| 06:45.41 | joeytwiddle | cloudowind, now you gotta read `man equivs-build` and `man equivs-control` |
| 06:45.48 | cloudowind | ok |
| 06:46.15 | joeytwiddle | Yes, either equivs or alien will generate a .deb, and that will "fool"/inform dpkg |
| 06:46.49 | cloudowind | i got you |
| 06:46.54 | cloudowind | thank you |
| 06:47.11 | cloudowind | another question , do i install library via apt-get or dpkg again? |
| 06:47.20 | cloudowind | or installing library has another way to do? |
| 06:47.28 | joeytwiddle | either. apt-get does the download, and then runs dpkg |
| 06:47.55 | cloudowind | ok then say i decided to download the library by manually and install it to the system what do i need to do?for practicing reasons? |
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| 06:48.00 | joeytwiddle | so dpkg maintains your local DB, apt-get handles the remote repository |
| 06:48.14 | joeytwiddle | you can use dpkg if you have the package already |
| 06:48.41 | joeytwiddle | you won' t be able to use apt, unless you set up your own local repository |
| 06:48.49 | cloudowind | and this will be universial linux library format .so right? |
| 06:49.10 | cloudowind | what if i dont wanna use dkpg/ |
| 06:49.28 | joeytwiddle | I think .so is architecture dependent. You'd need different compile for 386/amd64 architectures |
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| 06:50.39 | joeytwiddle | cloudowind, if you don't use dpkg, Debian won't believe you have a package installed. apt will keep trying to fulfil that dependency |
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| 06:53.11 | cloudowind | so its better to use dpkg you reckon :) |
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| 06:53.20 | cloudowind | no need to try to be a primitive hey? |
| 06:53.29 | cloudowind | thank you |
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| 07:04.12 | vlayn | hi |
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| 07:07.49 | joeytwiddle | cloudowind, to meet your original request, yes you must use dpkg :) |
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| 07:48.12 | lionroars | is debian non-free ? |
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| 07:50.27 | jelly-home | lionroars: software in Debian complies with DFSG, read /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 07:51.12 | akar | problem with my server, bios doesn't recognize hdd |
| 07:51.18 | akar | WTA better compressed it or leave the image eat my storage for 160G? |
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| 07:51.51 | akar | I plan to image backup, better compress it or leave it uncompress? |
| 07:54.19 | jelly-home | lionroars: but then, also read /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 07:59.36 | _rsc` | hi |
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| 08:04.43 | lionroars | jelly-home, do you think Haswell Intel Graphics can work with Debian ( with 3d acceleration ? ) |
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| 08:05.30 | dagon_ | I'm going to install debian on my macbook for dualbooting. During the installation, can I choose which disk to install grub on? I've never had to install to something else than MBR before.. |
| 08:06.55 | jelly-home | lionroars: I have no idea, sorry. |
| 08:08.28 | jelly-home | lionroars: there are updated drivers for video-intel in the backports repository for debian 7 that may or may not work better than what's in debian 7 already |
| 08:08.37 | jelly-home | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 08:08.38 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.916-1~exp1 |
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| 08:09.27 | lionroars | jelly-home, ok I want to get it to work with Debian Wheezy Stable with Gnome |
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| 08:09.45 | jelly-home | lionroars: do you have stable installed already? |
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| 08:10.00 | lionroars | no I am on Trisquel right now |
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| 08:11.32 | jelly-home | lionroars: well then, read about /msg dpkg wheezy-backports -- you may have to install the kernel and that driver listed above from that repo after installation |
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| 08:14.12 | sckn | hi, I have interesting problem :) I execute rm 2014_phptemplate-8dd5765.tar.gz && echo 1 this code return 1 but tar.gz file regerate with 0 size :) |
| 08:14.41 | sckn | **re generate |
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| 08:15.27 | jelly-home | sckn: use "fuser" command to find out if a process still has it open |
| 08:15.36 | jelly-home | then deal with that process |
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| 08:22.01 | ws2k3 | is it possible to change debian jessie to wheezly? |
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| 08:22.32 | CarlGel | I imagine no |
| 08:23.05 | CarlGel | however, perhaps you could build a chroot...? |
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| 08:24.05 | blaubarschbube | c'mon.. googleing "debian jessie downgrade wheezy" and then the first hit |
| 08:24.22 | ws2k3 | well the issue is that the installer of wheezy doesnt see my raid controller and the installer of jessie does |
| 08:24.30 | sckn | jelly-home , fuser -a 2014_phptemplate-8dd5765.tar.gz return /var/www/proje.tsr/2014_phptemplate-8dd5765.tar.gz: is it normal? |
| 08:24.37 | blaubarschbube | or am I totally wrong? |
| 08:25.26 | CarlGel | huh, I had assumed it would do something weird due to kernal differences or something. Ignore me, I'm ignorant. :P |
| 08:25.27 | ws2k3 | yeah i found that link to just wanted to check up if that is legit/recommanded way to go |
| 08:27.06 | dagon_ | I really need an answer to my question :( |
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| 08:28.21 | sckn | dagon_: what is your problem I cant see ? |
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| 08:37.51 | dagon_ | sckn: 10:05 < dagon_> I'm going to install debian on my macbook for dualbooting. During the installation, can I choose which disk to install grub on? I've never had to install to something else than MBR before.. |
| 08:37.54 | leafwiz | Hello, anyone know where I can get an old version of google chrome? |
| 08:38.02 | leafwiz | for my debian. |
| 08:39.01 | leafwiz | Been trying to find it but with no luck |
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| 08:43.33 | sckn | dagon_: Really I dont know but ask business friend. |
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| 08:49.18 | ws2k3 | i just installed jessie and now i am downgrading to wheezy stable during the dist-upgrade it tell's me systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. which is the current init system in wheezy? |
| 08:50.11 | joeytwiddle | leafwiz, hopefully it is somewhere in here: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 09:01.52 | leafwiz | Hmm.. I still get GPG error after running wget -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add - |
| 09:01.58 | leafwiz | E: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
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| 09:02.19 | leafwiz | on wheezy |
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| 09:09.47 | ws2k3 | i just installed jessie and now i am downgrading to wheezy stable during the dist-upgrade it tell's me systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. which is the current init system in wheezy? |
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| 09:10.23 | Agemaniac | hello all :) |
| 09:10.37 | Agemaniac | i have a problem while upgrading to jessy :( |
| 09:10.45 | jelly | ws2k3: sysvinit. There's no easy way to downgrade that way, it's better to reinstall. |
| 09:10.45 | optraz | in debian gnome, i want to get timezone world map back, how do i do that? http://askubuntu.com/questions/312634/how-do-i-get-the-good-ol-timezone-world-map-back |
| 09:10.51 | optraz | that's ubuntu, i want in debian |
| 09:11.02 | Agemaniac | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:11.04 | Agemaniac | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.05 | Agemaniac | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:11.07 | Agemaniac | Anyone have idea how to fix it? :( |
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| 09:12.03 | ws2k3 | jelly i would i could reinstall debian but debian wheezy installer does not see my raid controller the jessie installer does however see my raid controller |
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| 09:14.16 | Agemaniac | anyone have idea? i tried apt-get update -f but didnt work :( |
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| 09:14.43 | Agemaniac | sorry, i ment apt-get -f install |
| 09:14.56 | ws2k3 | Agemaniac are you root ? |
| 09:15.02 | Agemaniac | yes |
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| 09:15.54 | ws2k3 | you could try dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:16.01 | ws2k3 | maby another package got stuck somehow |
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| 09:16.51 | leafwiz | anyone know how to fix this error? E: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
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| 09:17.18 | leafwiz | I think I miss the public key which I can get through gpg command. only that I'm behind a proxy |
| 09:17.25 | Agemaniac | ws2k3: i read about someone doing aptitude -s remove iagno, but that wants to remove 700mb of data, which i dont think its the objective |
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| 09:17.35 | Agemaniac | ill try what you said :) |
| 09:18.27 | Agemaniac | ws2k3, your command didnt help, still returns the same error :/ |
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| 09:25.27 | tsam | How is it possible for my system to fetch & install wheezy packages when sources.list only contain things about squeeze? http://paste.debian.net/125491/ |
| 09:26.29 | jelly | leafwiz: the error message does not say you're missing the key. It says the signatures are not syntactically valid, which means either they're invalid at the source repo, or your proxy is tampering with download of Release file(s) from that repo |
| 09:28.01 | ws2k3 | i also heard its possible to use the jessie installer to install wheezy anyone know more about this? |
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| 09:53.24 | rmi | hello guys. what's the kernel version in jessie beta 2 release? |
| 09:54.16 | heurist | ,kernels |
| 09:54.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-rc5-686-pae (3.17~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-2-686-pae (3.16.3-2); jessie: 3.16-2-686-pae (3.16.3-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.16.3-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 09:54.45 | rmi | thanks |
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| 10:01.57 | colo-work | is there an aptitude query (or sth. else) that produces all package names that were _manually_ installed on a given system? |
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| 10:04.39 | petn-randall | colo-work: 'aptitude search ~M' or a small m, I forgot which way it's around. |
| 10:05.03 | colo-work | thanks, will try that |
| 10:05.06 | heurist | colo-work: apt-mark showmanual or aptitude search '~i!~M |
| 10:05.16 | ws2k3 | hello, i have a raid controller which the wheezy installer does not when i install jessie it sees the disk just fine i heard that its possible to install wheezy using the jessie installer how should i do this ? |
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| 10:09.04 | ws2k3 | heurist any idea maby? i talked about this with you yesterday |
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| 10:10.26 | heurist | ws2k3: yes, and you still have the same question. what have you tried since we last spoke? |
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| 10:12.22 | ws2k3 | heurist i tryed install jessie and downgrade from there but that got stuck cause of init/systemd |
| 10:12.30 | petn-randall | ws2k3: "does not ..." what? AFAIK you can't install wheezy with the jessie installer, I might be wrong though. The way I'd do it if the RAID controller doesn't work is to boot Debian live image and bootstrap the system with debootstrap. It's a lot more manual work, but doable. |
| 10:12.49 | heurist | ws2k3: you can not downgrade, do not install jessie. |
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| 10:13.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell ws2k3 -about downgrade |
| 10:13.17 | ws2k3 | heurist i found this http://ispire.me/downgrade-from-debian-sid-to-stable-from-jessie-to-wheezy/ |
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| 10:13.22 | ws2k3 | thats what i followed |
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| 10:14.11 | heurist | ws2k3: I do not have time to look at that, but downgrades are not supported. I doubt you will have luck trying that. |
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| 10:15.02 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i know that debian itself does support the controller cause when i boot a debian livecd it sees the disk just fine only the installer doesnt seems to see it |
| 10:15.04 | heurist | ws2k3: have you tried finding an wheezy installer with a newer kernel or with the firmware you need? |
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| 10:15.26 | ws2k3 | heurist no i have not |
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| 10:16.07 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Is it only a firmware issue then? Try using the installer with non-free firmware. |
| 10:16.16 | rj46 | if there is no kvm,kvm ip, how to find out why with new compiled kernel, server not boot |
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| 10:16.46 | ws2k3 | petn-randall and how should i do that ? |
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| 10:22.09 | ws2k3 | petn-randall somethhing like this? : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 10:22.26 | heurist | ws2k3: try that. |
| 10:22.28 | Deeps | hiya, how do i check what process is performing operations on a disk? lsof /mnt/disk doesn't output anything, but something appears to be reading or writing to the disk anyway as my mdadm resync slows down dramatically when the disk is mounted |
| 10:23.05 | ws2k3 | deeps i use iotop for that |
| 10:23.06 | heurist | Deeps: iotop or atop will tell you. |
| 10:23.25 | Deeps | thanks, trying both now |
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| 10:24.57 | Deeps | hmm, wonder if it's something else then, neither shows any activity to that disk |
| 10:25.08 | ws2k3 | nope the iso does not see a disk |
| 10:25.29 | ws2k3 | Deeps hit top what is the WA value ? |
| 10:26.01 | Deeps | 0.5 |
| 10:26.13 | Deeps | %Cpu(s): 0.4 us, 4.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 92.4 id, 0.4 wa, 0.0 hi, 2.0 si, 0.0 st |
| 10:26.33 | ws2k3 | does it allways stay 0.4 ? |
| 10:26.41 | Deeps | haven't seen it go past 1.0 |
| 10:26.58 | ws2k3 | hmm mostly that means that disk would not be the issue |
| 10:27.26 | ws2k3 | heurist that iso does not see the disk |
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| 10:34.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Any idea if the non-free firmware Nouveau needs for VDPAU playback is packaged in Jessie? |
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| 10:39.45 | heurist | Eduard_Munteanu: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:40.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see, I'll try there, thanks. |
| 10:40.18 | Iridos | dpkg, VDPAU |
| 10:40.19 | dpkg | VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) is an <API> and open source library, providing accelerated video playback by offloading video decoding/post-processing to the <GPU>. The Nvidia VDPAU driver is packaged for Debian, the <nvidia> proprietary driver is required for its use. VDPAU is supported on the GeForce 8 series and later, excluding G80-based 8800 devices. For AMD Radeon support, ask me about <uvd>. See also <vaapi>. |
| 10:40.59 | Iridos | well, this one still says you need the proprietary driver |
| 10:41.04 | ws2k3 | petn-randall any other things i can try ? |
| 10:41.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Iridos, there is support in upstream nouveau, it just needs the blobs AFAICT |
| 10:42.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ |
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| 10:48.40 | ws2k3 | i think i need to go install jessy again and downgrade from there |
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| 10:49.38 | galex-713 | xD |
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| 10:49.54 | galex-713 | f*cking bug |
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| 10:50.07 | galex-713 | Xorg have problems |
| 10:50.52 | galex-713 | It doesn’t count keystroke until a big while I press |
| 10:51.12 | galex-713 | (more than 1 second) |
| 10:51.29 | galex-713 | But with another |
| 10:51.50 | galex-713 | keyboard it’s fine* |
| 10:52.03 | galex-713 | and on tty too it’s fine |
| 10:52.10 | galex-713 | Really strange |
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| 11:04.11 | Raydiation | whats the correct way to only serve https from apache? disable the default site and add this to your apache2.conf? RewriteEngine On |
| 11:04.11 | Raydiation | RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off |
| 11:04.11 | Raydiation | RewriteRule (.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} |
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| 11:10.45 | DarsVaeda | using wheezy, looking at this page https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-font-viewer there seems to be this package available but doing "apt-get install gnome-font-viewer" I get unable to locate package |
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| 11:20.00 | heurist | DarsVaeda: what does your sources.list look like? use a pasetbin. |
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| 11:21.57 | thalos | Raydiation: I don't think there is a "correct" way. But if you turn off the default site (and you have anything else configured for port 80) I guess you wouldn't serve anything unencrypted.. But I guess you always want to redirect when someone uses an unencrypted connection since you mentioned the rewrite? |
| 11:22.15 | Raydiation | thalos: yep |
| 11:22.30 | Raydiation | i added the rewrite rules to the 000-default config as only content |
| 11:22.36 | Raydiation | works fine i think |
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| 11:23.20 | gotwig | Hello, any reason why nvidia 343 didnt hit debian (sid) yet? https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
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| 11:23.44 | heurist | gotwig: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:24.19 | calvinh | hey guys, just wanted to install zip/unzip on an oldish squeeze machine, but apt wants to remove all my ruby packages to install zip, does this make any sense to anybody? |
| 11:24.22 | [[derek]] | Hey, how can I set weechat up for all users so it automaticly joins a server and connects to a channel? |
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| 11:25.22 | heurist | [[derek]]: "all users" meaning what? the #weechat channel is very helpful, maybe ask there. |
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| 11:25.31 | thalos | Raydiation: It works but you just have to take care not to introduce any SSL vulnerablilities |
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| 11:25.56 | [[derek]] | heurist: all users on the local machine |
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| 11:26.11 | [[derek]] | when they launch up weechat I want them to automaticly connect to a channel |
| 11:27.25 | gotwig | nostalgy :P? |
| 11:27.54 | Raydiation | thalos: care to elaborate? |
| 11:28.13 | heurist | [[derek]]: you could add a default .weechat directory to /etc/skel, this would be placed in the home directory of any newly created users. Fiddling with the configs of existing users is a bit dubious, if they already have weechat configured you do not want to break that. |
| 11:28.36 | thalos | Raydiation: There are security considerations to take into account when redirecting a user from a non-secured page to a SSL connection. Have a look at this link: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Transport_Layer_Protection_Cheat_Sheet#Rule_-_REMOVED_-_Do_Not_Perform_Redirects_from_Non-TLS_Page_to_TLS_Login_Page |
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| 11:29.42 | gotwig | I think about switching from Archlinux to Debian, because Archlinux package guidelines IMHO do not suit my thinkings |
| 11:30.00 | Raydiation | thalos: thanks |
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| 11:30.10 | gotwig | and GNOME 3.14 is available in unstable, and the default DE AFAIK |
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| 11:31.31 | Raydiation | thalos: wow, thats bad indeed |
| 11:31.43 | Raydiation | about the strict tls stuff, is that already usable? |
| 11:31.48 | gotwig | Debian unstable is kind of rolling release isnt it |
| 11:31.56 | gotwig | in the past, a lot of packages still were old.. |
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| 11:32.19 | heurist | !rolling |
| 11:32.20 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
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| 11:33.09 | heurist | gotwig: no, it is not a rolling release, it is for testing what will do into the testing system, which is what will be the next supported release. |
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| 11:33.53 | gotwig | I dont like to work with outdated software |
| 11:34.20 | gotwig | you consider it stable if you test it a lot of time, when in that time upstream developers already release stable software in the meantime |
| 11:35.06 | heurist | gotwig: then debian is probably not for you. Testing and Unstable are not like Arch, Arch in intended to be used by users (advanced ones) Testing and Unstable are intended to be used by the people making the next Debian. |
| 11:35.08 | thalos | Raydiation: I'm not sure about what the status is with HSTS, as it's called but I don't think it's in use yet. This is why you should consider if you *really* need to redirect users on your site. Maybe you can just provide "https-links", or tell google that you are only using SSL, etc.. It all depends on how the site is going to be used |
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| 11:35.42 | tensorpudding | Getting really sick of my clock going haywire every time I sleep my computer. |
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| 11:36.14 | heurist | gotwig: "stable" means it does not change, a company that supports tens of thousands of machine does not want the users calling support saying "that button I use had moved." |
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| 11:40.19 | tensorpudding | Setting the clock using hwclock doesn't work, it times out every time. |
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| 11:43.26 | Stummi | tensorpudding, sounds like an hardware problem |
| 11:43.28 | StucKman | by chance, does anybody know the format of the function parameters reported by ltrace? I'm tracing a function that is supposed to take only one parameter but ltrace's output gives me 4! |
| 11:43.47 | Stummi | tensorpudding, what does just "hwclock" say? |
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| 11:56.56 | DarsVaeda | using wheezy, looking at this page https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-font-viewer there seems to be this package available but doing "apt-get install gnome-font-viewer" I get unable to locate package -> sources.list: http://pastebin.com/Xs1xg5Pr |
| 11:57.13 | heurist | DarsVaeda: what does your sources.list look like? use a pasetbin. |
| 11:57.32 | DarsVaeda | was my message cut off? |
| 11:57.47 | DarsVaeda | http://pastebin.com/Xs1xg5Pr |
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| 11:58.05 | heurist | DarsVaeda: no, I just did not read since it looked like the previous. oops |
| 11:58.18 | DarsVaeda | oh okay yeah I thought better to add the info again |
| 11:58.45 | heurist | DarsVaeda: what does apt-get update say? |
| 11:59.48 | DarsVaeda | oh it has errors this is new |
| 12:00.08 | heurist | DarsVaeda: maybe use a different mirror. |
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| 12:00.53 | DarsVaeda | although the mirror seems fine: http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-i386/ |
| 12:01.05 | DarsVaeda | I get not found on wheezy/contrib |
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| 12:02.53 | heurist | DarsVaeda: looks like that mirror might be missing contrib then, that could be temporary. other than that your sources look ok, (aside from the non-debian stuff) so changing mirror looks like the first thing to try. |
| 12:05.36 | DarsVaeda | changing packages worked :) |
| 12:05.37 | DarsVaeda | thx |
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| 12:07.51 | DarsVaeda | I mean sources |
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| 12:13.10 | StucKman | DarsVaeda: maybe this was the problem? Packages.gz12-Jul-2014 12:10 50K |
| 12:14.24 | DarsVaeda | true, that sounds out of date |
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| 12:15.24 | [[derek]] | I want PHP to list all apache2 userdirs, like this http://tilde.club/, how can this be achomplished? |
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| 12:16.28 | jelly | [[derek]]: why php? |
| 12:17.03 | jelly | [[derek]]: you can enumerate home dirs with "getent passwd" and check for existence of public_html subdir (or equivalent) |
| 12:17.34 | jelly | [[derek]]: assuming they're managed with mod_userdir. |
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| 12:25.45 | Burps | Hi. Using Wheezy, kernel 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 as a fiewall/gateway. I need to setup from an inised client a connection to a remote PPTP/GRE server : I added the rules for "-p 47" in iptables, see nothing blocked, but still can't make the connection : it fails at checking user credentials (according to the client). |
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| 12:26.09 | Burps | I also have nf_conntrack_proto_gre nf_nat_proto_gre inserted |
| 12:26.15 | Burps | What am I missing ? |
| 12:26.39 | Burps | I tried to add nf_nat_pptp and nf_conntrack_pptp but it did not solve my problem |
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| 12:53.30 | hipodilski | hey |
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| 12:53.44 | hipodilski | hi there |
| 12:54.18 | hipodilski | how can I list all the installable versions of a package if I have few repositories in sources.list offering me multiple package version installation? |
| 12:54.30 | jelly | hipodilski: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 13:16.16 | mad_hatter | is there a way you can run 32 bit applications on 64 bit debian? |
| 13:16.30 | meaneye | mad_hatter, yes, you need 32bit libs. |
| 13:16.38 | mad_hatter | how do I install those? |
| 13:17.09 | meaneye | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 13:17.31 | mad_hatter | well thing is I'm not using apt to install a 32 bit program |
| 13:17.39 | mad_hatter | I unpacked a tarball that contains a 32 bit application |
| 13:17.49 | mad_hatter | and when i try to run it, it tells me the file doesn't exist |
| 13:18.01 | meaneye | The package you want is ia32-libs |
| 13:18.54 | mad_hatter | right, so i did an apt-get on ia32-libs and I get the error: ia32-libs: Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 13:19.46 | meaneye | If the program you are trying to use is not installed through repository am afraid you need to know all the dependencies and install them manually. |
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| 13:23.02 | mad_hatter | so i needed to do a dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 13:23.07 | mad_hatter | to be able to apt-get ia32-libs |
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| 13:24.03 | oo_miguel | How can I communicate with my android (Samsung) handheld. I already installed the android-tools-adb, but plugging in my cellphone does not result in anything beeing logged in /var/log/dmsg, so I assume there is no driver for my device present... |
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| 13:26.07 | meaneye | oo_miguel, no drivers needed. Your device must have USB debugging enable. |
| 13:26.34 | meaneye | Otherwise it's recognized as MTP or mass storage dvice. |
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| 13:28.00 | xnrand | I think https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/initrd.gz is broken. when i boot it in qemu (using grub2: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/501252ec/ ), it boots to a black screen with a blinking cursor at the bottom of the screen |
| 13:28.51 | oo_miguel | meaneye: I turned usb debugging on, but "adb devices" does not list anything. |
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| 13:33.30 | xnrand | when i boot with the initrd that is included in the CD-1 iso ("initrd (loop)/install.amd/initrd.gz" in grub), it boots fine (the resulting system lacks support to load things from the iso then though, which is why i need the hd-media/initrd.gz in the first place) |
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| 13:35.19 | xnrand | also when i boot the i386 version (debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso and http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/initrd.gz), that boots fine too and loads installer modules from the iso just fine so i guess it only affects the amd64 version |
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| 13:37.45 | meaneye | oo_miguel, does notification bar say "usb debugging connected"? |
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| 13:38.16 | oo_miguel | meaneye: the bar on the device itself? no, it says nothing like that :( |
| 13:38.50 | oo_miguel | meaneye: it just makes a little sound when i plug it in and the battery is beeing charged |
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| 13:39.12 | meaneye | How do you connect your device? |
| 13:39.29 | oo_miguel | meaneye: I use the usb cable that shipped with the device |
| 13:40.06 | meaneye | Device does charge? |
| 13:40.11 | oo_miguel | meaneye: yes |
| 13:40.30 | oo_miguel | meaneye: maybe I have to restart my computer or/and the device? |
| 13:40.45 | oo_miguel | after setting usb debug setting / installing the adb-tools |
| 13:40.57 | dariopnc | hello everyone,I found a strange bug: (almost) everytime the char combination fi is printed on screen it gets substituted by ◀. any hint on the cause (and possible solution too)? |
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| 13:41.40 | heurist | dariopnc: try using a different font ? |
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| 13:41.56 | meaneye | oo_miguel, no restart is required to my knowledge. |
| 13:42.04 | meaneye | oo_miguel, which device is it? |
| 13:42.33 | oo_miguel | meaneye: samsung gt-s5830 |
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| 13:43.48 | r3n1c0n | bolock |
| 13:44.01 | dariopnc | heurist: didn't think about it! it happens with Cantarell Regular (I'm on gnome) but not others |
| 13:44.03 | meaneye | oo_miguel, so to confirm the obvious. Developer tools are enabled, USB debugging enabled? |
| 13:44.40 | oo_miguel | meaneye: settings -> aplications -> developer tools -> usb debugging IS enabled |
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| 13:45.31 | oo_miguel | meaneye: it is one option i enabled. should I enable a second one somewhere? |
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| 13:46.16 | meaneye | No. As far as I know that should be the only one. Do you have any other USB cable/ |
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| 13:47.40 | oo_miguel | meaneye: no, but I have a samsung tablet with another cable somewehere, could try this one. but have to find the device first :P |
| 13:47.51 | meaneye | Well, it might be the cable. |
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| 13:49.03 | heurist | oo_miguel: until you see something in dmesg you should look at the device and the cable (or the port). if dmesg is silent then there is not much you can do on the OS to fix that. |
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| 13:50.10 | oo_miguel | meaneye: heurist: makes sense, thank you. I will try with my other samsung device for a start |
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| 13:51.02 | invalid-dragon | Hi! I know that Debian has an ARM port, and my tablet is ARM based (Nexus). So to install Debian on my tablet all what I have to do is to boot the ARM image? I mean is it simple as that, if anybody tried it? |
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| 13:51.51 | invalid-dragon | And can it be usable if I install a suitable DE for touch? |
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| 14:00.00 | invalid-dragon | Is there something wrong with my question? oO |
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| 14:00.21 | zifxify | I'm trying to chroot as an user using the userspec && groups argument of chroot however bashrc when logging in it's still pointing to the root users .bashrc instead of the one in the users homefolder ( bash: /root/.bashrc: Permission denied). Same for just opening & closing vim as normal user (E138: Can't write viminfo file /root/.viminfo!) Why is that & how to solve this? Here's mine userchroot script: http://pastebin.com/C1LT9dTg |
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| 14:01.48 | meaneye | invalid-dragon, nothing wrong with your question. Although answer is not all that simple. What is missing there is binary drivers. |
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| 14:02.53 | heurist | zifxify: maybe try bash -i at the end ? |
| 14:02.54 | invalid-dragon | Drivers for tablet sensors and such! |
| 14:03.09 | meaneye | invalid-dragon, GPU, touch, and other yes. |
| 14:03.16 | jelly | invalid-dragon: nothing wrong with the question, just with the expectation of a quick answer |
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| 14:03.34 | jelly | !arm |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:03.41 | heurist | zifxify: or maybe bash -l now I am not sure which one it is ): |
| 14:03.51 | invalid-dragon | Ok, thanks a lot, guys. |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | invalid-dragon: that channel may know whether your platform is suitable for Debian at all |
| 14:04.12 | zifxify | @heurist ok will try |
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| 14:05.17 | jelly | invalid-dragon: unfortunately commercial tablets are often very closed devices, software wise, and putting a generic distro on it can be very hacky and time consuming |
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| 14:08.59 | oo_miguel | meaneye: heurist: It worked for the other andorid device instantly and now works for the problematic device too (after I simply restarted it once). thanks again for your help and time. |
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| 14:09.18 | zifxify | @heurist When using bash -l I get bash: /root/.bash_profile: Permission denied |
| 14:09.20 | meaneye | oo_miguel, good to hear that! |
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| 14:16.53 | b1101 | about time I join this channel. Been introducing people to linux with debian for a bit now. awesome distro for a newcomers and users alike |
| 14:17.16 | centrx | What's Debian? |
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| 14:19.25 | meaneye | centrx, is that a serious question? |
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| 14:19.51 | b1101 | hopes centrx plays along |
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| 14:21.17 | ws2k3 | meaneye ofcrouse not :P |
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| 14:21.35 | centrx | meaneye, Will it make my skin smoother? |
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| 14:23.02 | meaneye | Ah, okay. :) For a moment you got me there. |
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| 14:23.49 | ws2k3 | another things i just installed jessie and i am trying to downgrade to wheezy and how it says Removing systemd ... |
| 14:23.49 | ws2k3 | systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. |
| 14:24.06 | ashley01 | Hello, are there any benefits in moving from Ubuntu to Debian? |
| 14:24.17 | ws2k3 | ashley01 for what you wanne use it ? |
| 14:24.28 | ws2k3 | server desktop? |
| 14:24.45 | ashley01 | 2 things I use most: PCSX2 and gcc. I also like having the 'power' to customise almost everything. |
| 14:25.01 | ashley01 | desktop, not a server |
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| 14:26.28 | ws2k3 | ashley01 for desktop stay with ubuntu or move to linuxmint |
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| 14:26.46 | ashley01 | ok |
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| 14:27.05 | r3n1c0n | or move to #! :D |
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| 14:27.23 | mtn | ashley01: you can do whatever you like with debian. it is fine for desktops |
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| 14:28.15 | ashley01 | there is one thing that could be helpful that Ubuntu seems to lack: if a certain program crashes, I am unable to use the mouse or access the terminal to use 'pkill' |
| 14:28.24 | ashley01 | It would be nice if this sort of system panic could be prevented |
| 14:28.31 | ashley01 | or circumvented to prevent a restart |
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| 14:28.45 | ashley01 | not all crashes, but some are very fatal |
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| 14:29.38 | ws2k3 | ashley01 i think that is for #ubuntu not for #debian |
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| 14:29.54 | ashley01 | ok np |
| 14:29.55 | centrx | ashley01, Debian is good for avoiding Ubuntu "user-friendly" things that are anti-customization |
| 14:30.03 | ashley01 | ahh i see what you mean |
| 14:30.05 | ashley01 | that is good :D |
| 14:30.19 | ws2k3 | anyway i think i need to install sysvinit. before removing systemd |
| 14:30.45 | mtn | ws2k3: you do know that downgrading is not supported in debian, right? |
| 14:30.54 | jelly | he's been told that, yes |
| 14:30.57 | ws2k3 | i know but i have no other choice |
| 14:31.01 | mtn | ok, just checking |
| 14:31.28 | jelly | ws2k3: I'd install stable with debootstrap and put the backports kernel there. |
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| 14:31.50 | jelly | or keep using jessie if it makes sense |
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| 14:32.15 | ws2k3 | how you mean install stable with debootstrap? |
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| 14:32.35 | ws2k3 | well i just want wheezy on my system but the wheezy installer does not see my disk that is the issue i'm facing |
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| 14:36.57 | ksk | hey |
| 14:37.09 | ksk | was ddate removed from coreutils(again)? :o |
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| 14:39.49 | Takios | seems so. I was sad, too |
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| 14:43.58 | jelly | ws2k3: I believe using expert mode in the installer you can do that. |
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| 14:44.12 | jelly | (install wheezy using jessie d-i) |
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| 14:44.55 | jelly | ws2k3: otherwise, like I said, once you have a livecd or rescue jessie booted, you can install using the debootstrap |
| 14:44.57 | jelly | method |
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| 14:50.42 | cdleonard | after the gtk3 update in testing I now have to "click and hold" the network-manager applet in order to see the menu |
| 14:50.48 | cdleonard | is there any workaround for this? |
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| 14:51.12 | cdleonard | (using xfce) |
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| 14:57.25 | tharkun | To minimize a Window in Gnome I need the Super+H wich is the Super Key? |
| 14:58.08 | jelly | tharkun: Windows |
| 14:58.52 | jelly | yes, Windows is Super, deal with it |
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| 14:59.41 | mtn | tharkun: you can set you shortcuts however you like |
| 15:01.03 | tharkun | mtn: Yes, I'm figuring out how Gnome handles the brightness keys and then I might migrate to something else. But first I need to understand it. |
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| 15:02.05 | tharkun | jelly: I think of the Windows key as Mod4+ not Super ;P |
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| 15:03.29 | K-202 | 1. According to manual, I need 5 GB disk space. Really? How much do I need with XFCE? |
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| 15:03.36 | jelly | tharkun: does xev think so as well? :-) |
| 15:03.54 | K-202 | my linux partitions are 2.3 GB, 2.0 GB, 510 MB |
| 15:04.08 | tharkun | jelly: xev thinks according to the wm you are currently on |
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| 15:04.19 | K-202 | 2. I need to use graphical installer in expert mode. I hope it's possible to boot it from HDD. |
| 15:04.23 | jelly | offers tharkun a Sun Type 6 keyboard with Actual Meta and Compose |
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| 15:04.44 | AndChat385209 | I have a mismatch x and glx drivers. How can I fix this? I'm on 3.2.0-4-amd and the x is 319.17 and glx 304.117 (sorry typing via mobile) |
| 15:04.59 | tharkun | accepts jelly's keyboard and plugs it in. |
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| 15:05.58 | tharkun | K-202: do a bare bones install then go for the wm and dm that fits. |
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| 15:06.17 | tharkun | xdm with some other lightweight wm might be your solution. |
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| 15:10.27 | mtn | K-202: realistically those partitions are too small. if you just want to play with debian, install in a virtual machine. |
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| 15:10.56 | K-202 | so I need to resize partitions |
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| 15:12.22 | meaneye | Is there a particular reason for one to have more than 2 partitions (/ and /home) for desktop? |
| 15:12.35 | rtra | oh wow, suddenly my dmesg's output is colorized |
| 15:12.35 | mtn | meaneye: don't even need two |
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| 15:13.06 | meaneye | mtn, well it's handy when upgrading to have /home on separate partition. |
| 15:13.22 | mtn | meaneye: sure, but not necessary |
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| 15:14.33 | meaneye | I wonder why unguided install creates so many. |
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| 15:18.53 | jelly | meaneye: it has some VERY outdated defaults |
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| 15:19.32 | pie_ | my friend has a bcm4313 in his laptop according to lspci, but the device isnt listedä under ifconfig for some reason. what can i do? the wireless led isnt on and if i press the fn key for turning it on it doesnt turn on(fn keys do work) |
| 15:19.38 | pie_ | the driver is loaded |
| 15:20.15 | Sbroker` | Hi I have a problem with the time..: #date --set "2014-10-10 17:20 and # hwclock --set --date="2014-10-10 17:270 |
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| 15:21.09 | centrx | pie_, Which driver package(s) did you install? |
| 15:21.18 | Sbroker` | when I restar the other system in windows 8 the hour is ok , but when i star another time debian , the tiime is two hour less!! |
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| 15:21.31 | Sbroker` | and allways!! |
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| 15:22.12 | centrx | Sbroker`, Sounds like Debian/Windows/you are setting the hardware clock differently related to time zone |
| 15:22.15 | pie_ | centrx: whatever comes with debian |
| 15:22.26 | Sbroker` | not the same |
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| 15:22.28 | pie_ | i think brcmsmac is whats loaded |
| 15:22.33 | Sbroker` | international hour |
| 15:22.43 | pie_ | hm i think missing nonfree firmware may be the issue |
| 15:22.45 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: Either configure Windows 8 to use UTC (google that), or configure Debian to use localtime. |
| 15:22.46 | Sbroker` | and I fixed in bios |
| 15:22.47 | centrx | pie_, https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 15:22.57 | ws2k3 | jelly i booted the jessie ISO and started advanced install |
| 15:23.04 | ws2k3 | but how should i install wheezy then |
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| 15:23.26 | centrx | ws2k3, Use the wheezy images instead of jessie? |
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| 15:23.49 | Sbroker` | peterrooney: I tried but when I restar another time the hour is bad |
| 15:23.55 | Sbroker` | allways 2 hours less |
| 15:23.57 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: I would use UTC, since it'll get messed up with local time if both OSes try to change the time. |
| 15:24.00 | pie_ | centrx: i don thave internet acces son the device atm, is that necesary? |
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| 15:24.32 | Sbroker` | I tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 15:24.46 | ws2k3 | centrx and how should i do that ? |
| 15:24.46 | Sbroker` | but the same song... :( |
| 15:25.11 | ws2k3 | in which installation setp i need to do that or should that be done from the shell ? |
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| 15:25.33 | centrx | pie_, You can download the packages through another device and transfer with CD/USB/etc |
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| 15:25.45 | Sbroker` | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Madrid' |
| 15:25.45 | Sbroker` | Local time is now: Fri Oct 10 19:25:28 CEST 2014. |
| 15:25.45 | Sbroker` | Universal Time is now: Fri Oct 10 17:25:28 UTC 2014. |
| 15:25.45 | Sbroker` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.47 | centrx | pie_, but yes, easiest/straightforward way is to have Internet access |
| 15:26.01 | pie_ | getting the firmware files referenced by http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211 worked |
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| 15:26.04 | Sbroker` | sorry |
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| 15:26.42 | ws2k3 | centrx i do not see any step to chose images or what do you mean with images? |
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| 15:27.25 | centrx | ws2k3, You downloaded "Jessie ISO", this is for installing testing/jessie |
| 15:27.25 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html#s16.1 |
| 15:27.45 | ws2k3 | centrx yes i wanne install wheezy using the jessie installer |
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| 15:27.50 | petn-randall | ws2k3: If the jessie installer doesn't have this option, you have to bootstrap, as I already told you earlier today. |
| 15:28.07 | K-202 | noticed that HDD sounds another (higher?) when working on Linux partitions than Windows partitions (lower?) |
| 15:28.15 | ws2k3 | petn and then i asked you what you exacly mean with bootstrap? |
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| 15:28.42 | Sbroker` | petn-randall: thank i m going to read |
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| 15:29.58 | heurist | ws2k3: remind me again what the actual issue it? you need access to your hardware raid, and the installer does not see it? maybe you will need to install on a normal drive, upgrade the kernel, get the hardware raid working, then dd/rsync your system to the hardware raid. |
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| 15:31.09 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: As I said, it's better to tell Windows to use UTC though, otherwise you'll get screwed during daylight saving changes. |
| 15:31.27 | ws2k3 | heurist debian itself is supporting the controller(i think) the normal ISO of wheezy does not see my disk the jessie installer however does see my disk |
| 15:31.41 | ws2k3 | the machine only has one ssd and no normale hard drive |
| 15:32.15 | ws2k3 | i know debian itself it supporting the controller cause when i boot knoppix i can access the disk |
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| 15:32.53 | heurist | ws2k3: knoppix is not debian. remember we went through this repeatedly yesterday? |
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| 15:33.51 | ws2k3 | yeah i know just saying and when i did a lsb_release -a it showed me debian 7.6(in knoppix) so i know knoppix is not debian but parts of knoppix are surely debian |
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| 15:37.16 | K-202 | Debian netinst CD files are on HDD now. I think of making it bootable. root(hd0,5) chainloader +1 probably won't work without partition's bootsector. What do I need now? |
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| 15:38.33 | heurist | ws2k3: so at least you know you can boot into knoppix to do the copy to the real drive later. or google "bootstrap debian from knoppix" as suggested. the first link I get for that search is https://tipstricks.itmatrix.eu/?p=788 which I have not tried, but (if you ignore the remote parts of it) might help you get started. |
| 15:39.00 | Sbroker` | easy solution is change the utc=yes by utc=no in /etc/default/rcS , but.... I dont have any line with utc code!!!! :O |
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| 15:40.16 | jelly | ws2k3: you'll have to read the debian-installer docs to install wheezy off d-i devel, I definitely don't know how that's done |
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| 15:40.39 | heurist | Sbroker`: what are you trying to do? hardware utc vs local? https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime#Hardwareclock_.2F_Systemtime_.2F_Dual_Boot |
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| 15:41.36 | ws2k3 | okay i will look into that thanks alot |
| 15:41.58 | Sbroker` | heurist: before or after to change the hour ? |
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| 15:42.15 | Sbroker` | before i suposse |
| 15:42.24 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: Change Windows to use UTC, problem solved. |
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| 15:43.04 | heurist | petn-randall: is that even possible? |
| 15:43.17 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: This won't show the time in UTC in the bottom right corner, it will only change how Windows saves the time internally in the system clock, that's all. |
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| 15:43.25 | petn-randall | heurist: Yes, google it. |
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| 15:44.01 | heurist | petn-randall: if I cared enough I would, thanks. last time I cared it was not doable, but that was over a decade ago. (: |
| 15:44.05 | Sbroker` | i had changed UTC by LOCAL IN /etc/adjtime |
| 15:44.17 | Sbroker` | I m going to test |
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| 15:57.42 | antoniodmora | morning everyone |
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| 15:58.10 | Sbroker` | thank to everybody solution is ok changing UTC by LOCAL in /etc/adjtime |
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| 16:03.10 | Eulipion | not sure what this is about, nothing on the interwebs matching this error. /usr/sbin/nscd: database netgroup is not supported |
| 16:03.18 | Eulipion | any one have any clue wtf that means |
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| 16:05.04 | K-202 | well, I need to modify VBR of the partition to chainload its own bootloader - hexedit it manually? LOL just copy boot.img contents there? |
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| 16:06.05 | SynrG | Eulipion: what did you do that led up to the error? |
| 16:06.25 | SynrG | Eulipion: i hope not distro mixing ... |
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| 16:07.15 | Eulipion | SynrG: updated my nscd cookbook. |
| 16:07.16 | Eulipion | https://github.com/opscode-cookbooks/nscd/commit/4cd421d6be6556cb80b1f00e5845d7a46dc8333f |
| 16:07.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, what bootloader? |
| 16:07.34 | Eulipion | looks like tis a known bug on ubuntu and the cache is disabled the netgroup db |
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| 16:07.56 | Eulipion | but nscd is ignoring" # netgroup database |
| 16:07.57 | Eulipion | enable-cachenetgroupno" |
| 16:07.58 | SynrG | Eulipion: updated from where? |
| 16:08.07 | K-202 | Eduard_Munteanu: debian's netinst cd |
| 16:08.08 | Eulipion | SynrG: https://github.com/opscode-cookbooks/nscd |
| 16:08.14 | K-202 | Eduard_Munteanu: I want to install from hdd |
| 16:08.14 | SynrG | hm |
| 16:09.02 | SynrG | Eulipion: is that supposed to work with wheezy? |
| 16:09.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, from a partition on a HDD without erasing it? |
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| 16:09.15 | Eulipion | SynrG: not sure.... |
| 16:09.30 | SynrG | Eulipion: this is why i asked about distro mixing. it has that feel |
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| 16:09.44 | Eulipion | its supposed to be playform agnostic, but those damn ubuntu guys |
| 16:09.55 | SynrG | some api changed? |
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| 16:10.42 | K-202 | Eduard_Munteanu: I have another partition on hdd |
| 16:11.11 | K-202 | I can modify sectors with Paragon Hard Disk Manager but I think unetbootin is more secure solution to copy files with VBR |
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| 16:11.48 | SynrG | Eulipion: it doesn't look like the ubuntu bug. |
| 16:12.21 | SynrG | Eulipion: in that case it talked about segfaults or "didn't work at all" (nothing returned) when asked to return netgroup lists |
| 16:12.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, one solution is copying the files over to the partition and installing extlinux to the VBR |
| 16:12.32 | SynrG | Eulipion: doesn't match the error you have |
| 16:13.18 | Eulipion | SynrG: i don't think that config belongs in my nscd.conf file, at all. i think on his ubuntu box, disabling that stanza works, but on my box, it doesnt |
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| 16:13.49 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 16:14.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, if you understand isolinux's configuration, you can just replicate its intent in GRUB |
| 16:14.15 | SynrG | at this point, i'm out of ideas, as i only casually skimmed it and don't have a deeper appreciation of what's going on. |
| 16:14.44 | SynrG | yes, it looks like it's the wrong config |
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| 16:14.56 | SynrG | whether there's something *more* wrong ... i dunno |
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| 16:17.01 | K-202 | Eduard_Munteanu: there is no boot.img on the CD, which file should be copied to VBR from debian netinst cd? |
| 16:17.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, I'm not sure you're supposed to do anything like that. Why not install a bootloader yourself? |
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| 16:19.27 | K-202 | I already have GRUB1 bootloader on another partition and installed to MBR. However, I want to boot Debian setup from HDD (yet another partition) using its own bootloader (chainloader +1) |
| 16:19.52 | K-202 | so I probably need to modify VBR to make it work |
| 16:20.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, yes, so copy the CD over, install syslinux or extlinux to the VBR of that partition and chainload to it from GRUB. |
| 16:21.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, the CD uses isolinux anyway |
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| 16:21.50 | dfgt | Hello, I need to install this DBIx::DBSchema version 0.44 http://search.cpan.org/~ivan/DBIx-DBSchema-0.44/DBSchema.pm , ¿somebody could guide me?, thank you |
| 16:22.00 | dfgt | in my debian 7.6 |
| 16:22.16 | socomm | dfgt: /j #perl |
| 16:22.23 | K-202 | so I want to use isolinux because it's used by setup cd |
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| 16:23.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, no, extlinux/syslinux depending on whether the partition is going to be ext*/vfat |
| 16:23.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | But they're essentially the same thing. |
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| 16:24.50 | K-202 | Will I have original setup CD menu (with expert mode, etc) if I use extlinux? |
| 16:25.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, yes |
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| 16:25.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, same config file, at most you'll have to rename it |
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| 16:25.44 | K-202 | well, I will try |
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| 16:30.13 | ashp | Is there an appropriate place to beg for help with git-buildpackage? I can't find a channel so I thought I'd ask here. |
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| 16:31.21 | karlpinc | Is anybody maintaining pam, upstream? I submitted a documentation patch to their mailing list, and then later a debian bug (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762110), and then later a pam trac bug and have gotten no response what so ever. It's been more than a month. |
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| 16:31.42 | centrx | ashp, Try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 16:31.58 | karlpinc | ashp: If you're running debian we generally help, although the focus is on debian related support. |
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| 16:33.58 | socomm | ashp: There is a #git channel on the network. |
| 16:34.09 | socomm | ashp: nevermind, misread. |
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| 16:35.47 | ashp | centrx: will do, it might be a bit out of their comfort zone, I'm using jenkin-debian-glue and running into all kinds of issues on what looked like it would be simple :/ |
| 16:36.14 | ashp | when it runs git-buildpackage it tries to do an ls-tree for an upstream/$version object which doesn't exist |
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| 16:36.26 | ashp | and I'm trying to find out if I need to make a branch called upstream, or there's some other way to influence it into doing the right thing |
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| 16:36.37 | ashp | (I am so far out of my depth I'm walking at the bottom of the ocean) |
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| 16:39.09 | somiaj | K-202: still trying to figure out how to install via a floppy. I found some possible solutions but they both require a bit of work. |
| 16:40.03 | somiaj | K-202: opps, I thought you were back asking more questions. I was scrolled up to yesertday in my back log, but if you are interested I do have some methods you could use a floppy. |
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| 16:43.44 | Elirips | Hello everyone. I updated to the stable from old-stable, and I got one big issue: With the old-stable, if I plugged in a camera it was just recognized as a normal usb-device and everything was working. Now its recognized as a 'camera' by KDE and its totally random if downloading pictures works or not |
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| 16:44.07 | Elirips | so: How can i get the old mode back? Just use my camera as an usb-device, manually copy the files and I'm happy |
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| 16:49.22 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, is anyone in here who's using blogspot? i need a bit of help... |
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| 16:50.27 | mtn | !tell ToApolytoXaos about ask |
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| 16:52.56 | ToApolytoXaos | apologies mtn; i was absorbed by reading. i have found a website that adds a "permanent link" URL at each post and I don't know what to edit in my template. Google is showing me the following https://support.google.com/blogger/answer/41428?hl=en, but I guess it's outdated as of 2014 |
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| 16:54.23 | karlpinc | Elirips: Well, it'd be somewhere in /etc/udev/rules.d/. You're not havign permission problems are you? As in, what goes wrong when it does not work? |
| 16:54.51 | Elirips | karlpinc: no, its not a permission problem. It just "sometimes it works", mostly it does not |
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| 16:55.24 | karlpinc | Elirips: Have you looked at the bug tracking system or read the release notes section on possible problems? |
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| 16:55.55 | Elirips | karlpinc: if it does not work, I see the notification from KDE that a camera is available, open it using the filemanager, start copying files and then it either copies pictures that are corrupted, or in the middle it fails with a "there was a problem" |
| 16:56.02 | Elirips | its like back on windows 95 :D |
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| 16:56.46 | Elirips | I would just like to get the old behaviour back, I do not need any of the fancy "import pictures" functions. Just mount it as an ordinary usb device. But you're right, lets fight with udev once again |
| 16:56.51 | karlpinc | Elirips: What happens if you use the command line to copy? |
| 16:57.29 | Elirips | karlpinc: it works perfect if I terminate KDE, so I can see the new device, mount it, and copy everything |
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| 16:57.55 | karlpinc | Elirips: How about after you plug it in with kde, then open a terminal and try copying? |
| 16:58.14 | mtn | Elirips: or try using shotwell or similar |
| 16:58.51 | karlpinc | Elirips: The point being, to try to get an error message or something that will allow diagnosis. You could also, possibly, look at dmesg output. |
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| 16:59.55 | Elirips | mtn, karlpinc, there is nothing in dmesg or syslog, probably it would be somewhere in the kde-log |
| 17:00.16 | karlpinc | Elirips: Or, cp will tell you something. |
| 17:00.18 | Elirips | anyway, thx for the help. I'm just frustrated right now - its weekend, and I dont want to bother about bugs on the weekend |
| 17:00.31 | Elirips | anyway, I got it working by stopping kde and do the stuff manually |
| 17:00.48 | Elirips | I'll try to figure out how to turn off all that fancy camera stuff and get normal usb-mode back to work |
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| 17:01.05 | karlpinc | Elirips: I'd try to find out what the problem is, then try to fix the problem. |
| 17:01.29 | Elirips | karlpinc: I do that 5 days a week, no thanks. |
| 17:01.40 | Elirips | not in my free time |
| 17:02.01 | karlpinc | Elirips: In my experience that's the only way to have the problem stay fixed. |
| 17:02.21 | somiaj | well debian does provide other de's besides kde. (: But does sound like if you want to run kde you'll have to figure out what it is doing and stop it. |
| 17:02.34 | Elirips | indeed you're all right |
| 17:02.55 | Elirips | but I'll just get it back to work as a normal usb-device thats all I need |
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| 17:03.31 | RoyK | anyone that knows a nice and simple cpu benchmark tool to use? just want to compare this rpi to a banana pi and some x86 machines - nothing really deep needed - just the basics |
| 17:03.33 | karlpinc | Elirips: Maybe it is a normal usb device, and you just need to open the right device with the file manager. Or something. |
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| 17:04.02 | karlpinc | RoyK: Check dmsg output for bogomips. |
| 17:04.03 | Elirips | karlpinc: there is lots of logic involved, if it gets recognized as a camera thumbnails are donwloaded etc |
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| 17:05.09 | somiaj | RoyK: you can also find the bogomips in cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:05.42 | RoyK | somiaj: I know, but that's just bogus int mips - I wanted to do a wee bit more testing than that ;) |
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| 17:07.05 | somiaj | RoyK: You could time a md5sum on a large file or compile time, that is a good test of cpu/memory ussage |
| 17:07.20 | karlpinc | RoyK: You can search packages.debian.org, or use debtags. |
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| 17:08.18 | RoyK | somiaj: that'll test for I/O as well, but ok, not a bad idea |
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| 17:09.21 | somiaj | RoyK: I see phoronix-test-suite in sid's repos, maybe that is there and can be used if you want an actual tool |
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| 17:12.13 | wytrzeszcz | https://github.com/szantaii/bash-gorillas |
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| 17:25.47 | RoyK | interesting... sha256sum of a 128MB file, apparently 100% cached on both a raspberrypi and a bananapi, the process takes ~10.5 secs on one and ~16.5 secs on the other - guess which :P |
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| 17:38.13 | qjqqyy | rasp on 16? |
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| 17:38.20 | qjqqyy | RoyK: any overclocking? |
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| 17:46.20 | RoyK | qjqqyy: no overclocking |
| 17:46.48 | RoyK | qjqqyy: but I suspect that raspbian is telling the banana to use very low frequency |
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| 17:47.02 | RoyK | qjqqyy: tried to "overclock" both to 1GHz, and the results were comparible |
| 17:47.08 | K-202 | Well, I installed syslinux to E: but I can't find configuration file |
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| 17:47.28 | qjqqyy | RoyK: I swear banana pi clocks higher |
| 17:47.30 | qjqqyy | brrb checking |
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| 17:48.20 | qjqqyy | oh it is 1 GHz |
| 17:48.28 | RoyK | qjqqyy: docs says 2x1GHz, but only after I ran raspi-config and set it to 1GHz, it performed as well as the pi |
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| 17:49.55 | qjqqyy | does sha256sum even multi-thread… |
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| 17:50.28 | karlpinc | This is why the classic test is a compile of the kernel with -j. |
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| 17:51.59 | abrotman | karlpinc: not '-j' |
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| 18:07.22 | zhr | what package u guys normally install on chromium for flash? |
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| 18:22.34 | pythonsnake | http://pastie.org/private/kkfm3jrhscq6q9qns1ixwg |
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| 18:22.39 | pythonsnake | can anyone explain this to me please |
| 18:22.41 | pythonsnake | o_O |
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| 18:23.57 | Iridos | pythonsnake, log out and back in again |
| 18:24.24 | Iridos | pythonsnake, or to phrase it as a question... what does "groups" say (without the nick) |
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| 18:25.13 | Iridos | pythonsnake, or run "newgrp www-data" instead of logging out |
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| 18:26.03 | Iridos | ok, I was actually in the process of going home... |
| 18:26.04 | Iridos | bb |
| 18:26.16 | pythonsnake | Iridos: thanks <3 |
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| 18:30.15 | janslow | I am trying to connect to 3G using my ZTE MF823 modem however I am getting the error "GSM connection failed: (32) Bearer capability not authorized". What does this mean? |
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| 18:41.24 | andry | anyone noticed that apt-get in version >= 1.0 often uses stderr when it should be stdout? O_O |
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| 18:42.00 | andry | like when installing dovecot .. it redirects "Creating config file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/20-imap.conf with new version" to stderr .. apt < 1.0 does not do that |
| 18:42.08 | andry | strange. |
| 18:42.39 | RoyK | seems like a bug |
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| 18:42.58 | RoyK | messages like that shouldn't be sent to stderr |
| 18:43.02 | RoyK | IMO |
| 18:43.02 | andry | i wonder if thats a bug or a misconfigured dovecot package |
| 18:43.51 | andry | oh .. no .. it does that for some other packages, too |
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| 18:57.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Anybody in here I should bug about allowing (c)debootstrap to ignore essential packages (and merely resolve deps)? |
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| 19:00.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder if there's some way to achieve what debootstrap does using apt stuff alone. |
| 19:00.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | The amount of duct tape on Debian things seems enormous. |
| 19:02.29 | arcsky | how do you install a program with git? |
| 19:03.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | arcsky, git isn't in the business of installing stuff, what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:04.21 | arcsky | i want to install the latest version of a program and it say install it via git |
| 19:05.16 | SynrGy | arcsky: technically, you only get the source via git. the business of installing is up to the program's build system |
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| 19:05.29 | arcsky | ok |
| 19:05.37 | SynrGy | arcsky: so 'install via git' is really just a variation of 'install from source' |
| 19:05.45 | arcsky | ah ok |
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| 19:05.52 | arcsky | but how do i get the latest code with git then? |
| 19:06.06 | SynrGy | git clone <address-to-repo> |
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| 19:08.16 | arcsky | danke |
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| 19:10.11 | zifxify | for debootstrap users here's an script to chroot as an normal user https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5gancqxg5i5z5x/userchroot.sh?dl=0 |
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| 19:11.15 | K-202 | LXDE vs XFCE? When I tested LXDE on university, it was too simple and even basic keyboard shortcut didn't work |
| 19:11.28 | K-202 | but how about speed? |
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| 19:14.58 | centrx | K-202, LXDE should be faster than XFCE yes |
| 19:15.12 | centrx | K-202, and lower memory footprint |
| 19:15.16 | centrx | *smaller |
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| 19:20.42 | K-202 | I have issues with syslinux (no config file created) so I will boot from GRUB - is it ok? http://pastebin.com/y5c80nF5 |
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| 19:26.31 | RayzrShrp | any rumors when jessie is going stable |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | no |
| 19:26.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell RayzrShrp about jessie freeze |
| 19:27.34 | RayzrShrp | cool thanks abrotman |
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| 19:32.20 | RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8535018/ |
| 19:32.34 | RoyK | raspbian sucks, that's the word |
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| 19:35.15 | centrx | RayzrShrp, should be 5-9 months after the freeze date |
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| 19:36.05 | abrotman | centrx: you don't know that, don't say that |
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| 19:36.21 | centrx | well it's been true for every previous release, or the last five |
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| 19:36.38 | abrotman | centrx: that's nice, we also had one where things were frozen for almost two yeras |
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| 19:38.20 | jordanm | abrotman: they are doing something new this release cycle |
| 19:38.34 | benbro | I'm new to debian. what version should I start with? |
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| 19:38.37 | jordanm | abrotman: automatically removing rc-buggy packages from testing. that might help speed up the freeze |
| 19:38.49 | benbro | I want to use wine 1.7 on it |
| 19:38.59 | abrotman | judd: versions libwine |
| 19:39.00 | judd | Package: libwine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.2-8; jessie: 1.6.2-8 |
| 19:39.09 | abrotman | benbro: not possible, try again |
| 19:39.13 | RayzrShrp | why not just run a vm benbro |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | jordanm: yeah, I've read .. |
| 19:39.23 | jordanm | benbro: stable (wheezy) |
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| 19:39.30 | benbro | abrotman: what not possible? |
| 19:39.46 | benbro | RayzrShrp: a vm instead of wine? for my use case I need wine |
| 19:39.47 | jordanm | wine 1.7 will be a major pain regardless of your version choice |
| 19:40.07 | benbro | jordanm: why? |
| 19:40.14 | benbro | jordanm: wine 1.6 is better? |
| 19:40.17 | jordanm | benbro: it's not packaged for debian yet |
| 19:40.31 | RayzrShrp | benbro: what is your case? |
| 19:40.36 | jordanm | I am running 1.7 on wheezy but it's compiled to ~/local, and it was like half a day ordeal |
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| 19:40.48 | jordanm | since it's basically a cross-compile for 64bit systems |
| 19:41.13 | benbro | RayzrShrp: allow student run windows app on remote machines. but I need it to be under windows |
| 19:41.20 | benbro | free windows apps, no windows license |
| 19:41.35 | benbro | jordanm: bad news |
| 19:41.53 | benbro | is there something like ppa for debian? |
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| 19:42.15 | RayzrShrp | benbro: that doesn't make sense |
| 19:42.26 | benbro | RayzrShrp: why not? |
| 19:42.28 | centrx | benbro, What features of PPA are you looking for? |
| 19:42.49 | benbro | centrx: installing unstable package like wine 1.7 |
| 19:43.07 | RayzrShrp | benbro: why not just virtualize windows on the remote machine |
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| 19:43.49 | benbro | RayzrShrp: because I don't have windows license |
| 19:43.59 | RayzrShrp | benbro: i see |
| 19:43.59 | centrx | benbro, Personally I would either wait until it is packaged in unstable, or download it/compile it in my home directory or /usr/local |
| 19:44.26 | benbro | centrx: this says to use the ppa on debian. is it wrong? http://www.tecmint.com/install-wine-in-linux/ |
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| 19:45.24 | jordanm | benbro: it might be possible to use the PPA and it work, but not quite like that |
| 19:45.25 | heurist | benbro: do you *need* 1.7? 1.6 is the stable version, 1.7 is still in development and will be an administrative burden to keep up the the changes. |
| 19:45.38 | jordanm | benbro: either way, it's not recommended or supported to use ubuntu PPAs in debian |
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| 19:46.02 | benbro | heurist: I think 1.6 will be fine. is it possible to use 1.6 on debian? |
| 19:46.29 | ashp | Anyone here experienced with pbuilder/cowbuilder? I have a weird issue where it looks like, to me, it cannot see some of the repos that it's configured to see from within, because it immediately fails to install apt-transport-https despite having all appropriate repos |
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| 19:46.54 | benbro | so I need sid? https://packages.debian.org/sid/wine |
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| 19:48.19 | heurist | benbro: jessie with hopefully be stable beginning of next year (do not ask for an eta) so 1.6 is an option then. |
| 19:49.29 | benbro | heurist: I see wine 1.6 in jessie and sid. can I install one of thouse? |
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| 19:50.09 | centrx | benbro, You cannot directly install the package from jessie or sid on stable |
| 19:50.21 | heurist | benbro: not easily, no. wine is a complicated interconnected mass, you would need a lot of jessie to get it working. |
| 19:50.32 | benbro | centrx: can I use unstable or testing for now? which one is better? |
| 19:51.09 | RayzrShrp | sound didnt work for me last time i virtualized jessie but wheezy works perfectly, I worry sound won't work for me in Jessie |
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| 19:51.50 | benbro | isn't there a jessie or sid iso I can install and than install wine with apt-get? |
| 19:52.28 | heurist | benbro: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | benbro: sure, you can install wine, but not 1.7 |
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| 19:57.43 | zhr | benbro to run wine on powerpoint you dont need the lastest version, you need a version that it works if it works, but if it is the latest better |
| 19:57.58 | zhr | i mean powerpoint on wine |
| 19:59.49 | rgr|android | no they're not. next to no one is there. |
| 19:59.58 | RayzrShrp | is there no iso for the current jessie? |
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| 20:00.19 | RayzrShrp | im on the mirror but cant find the iso |
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| 20:01.35 | heurist | dpkg: tell RayzrShrp -about testing installer |
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| 20:03.05 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: yes, but it's not for installing testing |
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| 20:07.16 | karlpinc | What happens if I use lvm to resize (larger) a swap partition that's being used? |
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| 20:08.58 | RoyK | karlpinc: nothing |
| 20:09.20 | RoyK | karlpinc: you'll just need to use swapoff/swapon to make the kernel see it's larger |
| 20:09.45 | RoyK | karlpinc: if you can't reboot, just use a swap file until you can extend the lv |
| 20:10.11 | karlpinc | RoyK: So it actually has to swapoff and back on. There's nothing in the mkswap heading with the size in it? |
| 20:10.28 | RoyK | karlpinc: actually - I'm not sure |
| 20:10.59 | karlpinc | RoyK: I think so. I tried it and it's still the old size. |
| 20:11.15 | RoyK | karlpinc: but if it's urgent, just dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap/something bs=1M count=4G ; mkswap /var/swap/something |
| 20:11.18 | RoyK | and add it |
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| 20:11.52 | karlpinc | RoyK: You can just re-run mkswap. That fixes it. |
| 20:12.35 | RoyK | ok |
| 20:12.38 | RoyK | didn't know that |
| 20:12.39 | RoyK | thanks |
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| 20:13.19 | karlpinc | So, if you wanted security-by-obscurity you could make a swap partition, mkswap it, make it larger, and use the back-end for SecretStuff. :) |
| 20:13.44 | RoyK | IMHO |
| 20:13.54 | RoyK | swap partitions aren't much needed anymore |
| 20:14.07 | RoyK | you can easily use a swap file |
| 20:14.32 | RoyK | mmap/O_DIRECT etc works well even for heavy databases |
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| 20:14.37 | RoyK | and for swap |
| 20:15.21 | karlpinc | RoyK: Dunno. With lvm there's no harm. And depending on the fs it can be hard to get contiguous blocks. |
| 20:15.42 | RoyK | karlpinc: ext4 is rather good at that |
| 20:15.45 | RoyK | so is xfs |
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| 20:16.10 | karlpinc | RoyK: Sure, but I've some ext3 laying around. Quite more than I'd expect. |
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| 20:16.31 | qman__ | Or just not use swap |
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| 20:17.06 | karlpinc | qman__: You always need RAM. Why not use it for fs buffering if nothing else, and swap out what's not needed? |
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| 20:18.40 | qman__ | Because RAM is cheap, no need for slow disks in my memory pool |
| 20:19.04 | qman__ | And reducing writes on ssd is always good |
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| 20:20.15 | RoyK | qman__: erm... |
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| 20:20.41 | RoyK | qman__: machines sometimes fuck up and use too much memory - thereby swap |
| 20:21.28 | RoyK | qman__: also, if you have a system with a ton of memory and a ton of apps using memory, most of which is unused, it's better to swap that out and let the system use that memory for caching |
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| 20:22.22 | qman__ | It makes sense in certain use cases, but for most of mine its unnecessary |
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| 20:24.06 | qman__ | On my desktop, I would prefer the oomkiller take care of the misbehaving app than tank the system by swapping to slow disk |
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| 20:25.37 | qman__ | And unless you have huge swap that usually happens eventually anyway |
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| 20:30.56 | MrMan | hello there I am getting some odd warnings about networking at tty login., Does anyone know how to suppress them ? |
| 20:31.22 | MrMan | warnings like still waiting for eth0 to connect ect |
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| 20:45.39 | barfpolice | Just installed Wheezy. Gnome Classic. I am perturbed. How do I autohide the top and bottom panels? |
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| 20:53.13 | RayzrShrp | dpkg: stable-installer |
| 20:53.14 | dpkg | RayzrShrp: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:53.28 | RayzrShrp | dpkg: testing |
| 20:53.28 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 20:55.39 | RayzrShrp | how do i get pkg to tell me about stable-testoing |
| 20:55.48 | RayzrShrp | dpkg testing |
| 20:55.48 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 20:56.02 | RayzrShrp | dpkg testing installer |
| 20:56.02 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:56.14 | RayzrShrp | there what is stable->testing |
| 20:56.24 | heurist | dpkg: tell RayzrShrp -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 20:56.32 | RayzrShrp | thank you |
| 20:56.32 | heurist | dpkg: tell RayzrShrp -about selftell |
| 20:56.39 | heurist | RayzrShrp: no worries |
| 20:57.15 | RayzrShrp | sorry for spamming the channel |
| 20:57.31 | heurist | RayzrShrp: (: |
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| 20:59.00 | Dreamix | KO |
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| 21:05.49 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: msg the bot, please |
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| 21:07.32 | RayzrShrp | ok so i need to install stable minimal and then change sources to try out jessie |
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| 21:08.55 | K-202 | I wanted to install Debian from hard disk (netinst installer). I booted the installer with GRUB. However, it needs CD-ROM drive. http://minus.com/mjVzarOmKXbFs (source partition is FAT32) |
| 21:09.57 | RoyK | K-202: if you give it a valid source address for the netinstall, it should work well |
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| 21:18.51 | K-202 | RoyK: there was no source address field |
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| 21:23.30 | K-202 | so no way to install debian from HDD? |
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| 21:24.59 | RayzrShrp | weird i downloaded a mini.iso and the sources are already pointing to jessie |
| 21:25.18 | RayzrShrp | or is this to be expected? |
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| 21:25.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, it might be simpler to boot an ISO in a VM if you don't figure it out |
| 21:25.58 | qman__ | K-202: it may be possible but I don't know how you would overcome that particular issue; if you're doing this because you don't have a cd drive or a usb device to install from, I recommend setting up a pxe boot installer |
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| 21:26.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | That requires another computer though. |
| 21:27.33 | qman__ | It does, but the upside is you can reuse it as many times as you want on any hardware |
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| 21:28.17 | K-202 | I will try another http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/gtk/ if it doesn't work, then pxe (my BIOS won't boot from USB) |
| 21:28.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, oh, then use an USB stick but chainload from GRUB |
| 21:29.29 | mischief | hello, does anyone know how to stop alt-left/right from switching virtual terminals..? |
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| 21:30.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | K-202, or boot from HDD as you did, but insert the USB stick as install media. |
| 21:30.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or kexec the installer from Linux etc. |
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| 21:31.32 | K-202 | Eduard_Munteanu: GRUB1 will boot from USB or chainload? |
| 21:31.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm pretty sure it can chainload. |
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| 21:32.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | 'rootnoverify ...' then 'chainloader +1' off the top of my head |
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| 21:33.27 | reepeecheep | Hi, I use VLC in KDE, but today when I play a video a lag and gray screen pixelling occurs, Only with VLC, with anothers NO, What's happned? Or Can we Recomend me another player? |
| 21:33.39 | h725 | hi, how can I create an ubuntu lxc-container on a debian jessie host? |
| 21:33.43 | reepeecheep | sorry 4 my bad ENg |
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| 21:34.49 | h725 | lxc-create -t ubuntu -- -r utopic |
| 21:34.49 | h725 | looks at https://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/utopic/Release (instead of ubuntu/dists/utopioc/Release) |
| 21:35.06 | jhutchins | reepeecheep: I use mplayer - for a long time it was the ONE player that always just worked. |
| 21:35.23 | jhutchins | reepeecheep: I think it's code is a bit more mature and clean. |
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| 21:43.10 | teraflops | mpv is a mixture of player and mplayer2 I think is really nice and it is on jessie, so soon in stable |
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| 21:43.23 | teraflops | mplayer* |
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| 21:44.55 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:45.13 | Agiofws | how can i stop a package from upgrading? via synaptic? |
| 21:46.07 | reepeecheep | OK Tnks |
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| 21:49.23 | movrax | Agiofws: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package/18656#18656 |
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| 21:52.23 | RayzrShrp | anybody know what the difference between jessie and wheezy is regarding sound cards? |
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| 21:52.51 | RayzrShrp | my sound works under wheezy but does not work under jessie, is something fundimentally different between the 2 versions |
| 21:53.18 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: Shouldn't be. pulseaudion on top of alsa afik. |
| 21:53.30 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:53.31 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:54.09 | RayzrShrp | jhutchins: hmmmm strange, i run wheezy under vmware and sound works great, install jessie and sounds doesnt work |
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| 21:54.26 | jhutchins | !pulse |
| 21:54.26 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:54.49 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: THat's why jessie is still in testing. Make sure you report it. |
| 21:54.52 | RayzrShrp | im installing stable right now on a new vm and then going to change sources and upgrade it to jessie |
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| 22:08.58 | RayzrShrp | is there somewhere else other then /etc/apt/sources.list that apt-get update pulls from? |
| 22:09.14 | RayzrShrp | i have something for google that is in there but is getting a status of ign |
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| 22:10.58 | mikodo | Anyone know the status of systemd on jessie? Is it going to be used for Jessie "stable" |
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| 22:18.57 | K-202 | Well, last chance to install Debian. If not, I'll try another distro. I remember openSUSE and Mandriva that I runned network installer from floppy some years ago. |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | K-202: older versions of debian work with floppies .. you could dist-upgrade to something recent |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | mikodo: That's the current plan, yes |
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| 22:21.50 | bezaban | K-202: you could PXE boot the installer if supported. I apologize for not reading all the backlog, but sometimes dist-upgrades will be tricky if you dont have enough hd space which is typically a problem on old hardware (not sure it applies to you) |
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| 22:22.38 | bezaban | but there was talk about floppies |
| 22:23.20 | mikodo | abrotman, Thank you. |
| 22:23.34 | K-202 | well, I will try it |
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| 22:23.45 | qman__ | RayzrShrp: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
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| 22:31.24 | mikodo | msg |
| 22:31.33 | mikodo | Oops. |
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| 22:35.24 | dutchfish | hi, i am looking for an apllication that can convert bitmap font images into hex sequencies, it there any? |
| 22:36.04 | dutchfish | something like an embedded .datatable |
| 22:37.50 | cinch | no idea |
| 22:38.30 | dutchfish | or convert bitmap fonts into hex sequences |
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| 22:51.00 | qu | I am trying to sort out the chroot command. |
| 22:51.43 | qu | If you give chroot ${location} {command} does it just execute that command in the chroot, or does it stay in the chroot? |
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| 22:54.48 | qu | For example this: https://pastee.org/8ttrv |
| 22:54.56 | Epakai | qu: it would run that command and exit |
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| 22:55.24 | qu | Ok, interesting. |
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| 22:55.58 | qu | Is installDebianPackage a known way of installing packages, or is it peculiar to Xen? |
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| 22:56.37 | hesco | Just resolved a down site issue when I checked df to learn that the partition was full. I have two cron jobs running on a daily schedule, either of which would have prevented or postponed this issue, but which apparently have not been running these last three days. `ps aux | grep cron` gives me this output: https://gist.github.com/hesco/2d6167bf21e67ad90e63 |
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| 22:57.04 | dutchfish | qu, neither |
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| 22:57.23 | hesco | But I'm not sure what it should look like. Is it normal to have so many cron daemon processes running like this? Should I restart the cron daemon? What else might I do to resolve this issue? |
| 22:57.48 | jhutchins | hesco: Probably not. |
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| 22:58.16 | qu | dutchfish: Any idea what installDebianPackage is then? |
| 22:58.36 | jhutchins | Something is preventing cron jobs from exiting. I would kill them, then check to see if you can run any non-standard jobs from the command line. |
| 22:58.50 | dutchfish | qu, it might be a shell script, if my memory not left me, wich i saw ones in xen |
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| 22:59.09 | qu | Yes it seems to be a Xen creature. |
| 22:59.21 | jhutchins | hesco: What kind of jobs are they? scripts in /etc/cron.*? called from /etc/crontab? User crontabs with direct commands? |
| 22:59.50 | jhutchins | hesco: I try to create script files, then call them from a cron job. That way they can be tested easier. |
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| 23:00.08 | qu | But I don't understand why their gdm role chroots to apt-get update, but does not to installDebianPackage |
| 23:00.20 | dutchfish | qu, install by default through the apt system, like apt-get install or aptitude install |
| 23:00.34 | dutchfish | qu, (on Debian systems) |
| 23:00.51 | qu | Yes but it should install on the host, not guest. |
| 23:01.26 | qu | But it does install on the guest for some reason... |
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| 23:01.41 | dutchfish | qu, sure, login to your host either by shell or console, and if it is a debian based host, it will comply to the same as the guest |
| 23:01.42 | qu | ... with installDebianPackage. |
| 23:02.02 | qu | Well this is actually a Xen role which -builds- the guest. |
| 23:02.15 | dutchfish | qu, again that is not inside Debian, nor a Debian host setup |
| 23:02.37 | qu | Well... |
| 23:02.42 | dutchfish | qu, possibly, i can't help you there |
| 23:02.43 | hesco | jhutchins: they are command line pipes called directly from the root crontab, intended to clean out unnecessary backups |
| 23:03.10 | hesco | those pipes have been tested and in fact I ran them each to resolve the full partition issue |
| 23:03.22 | qu | I imagine that installDebianPackage is a Xen function somewhere, which does chroot into the guest environ. |
| 23:04.08 | dutchfish | qu, what is inside /etc/debian_version on the host? |
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| 23:04.45 | hesco | jhutchins: even after using `/etc/init.d/cron stop`, I still see a dozen or so brand new processes, like they are spawning. Using this does not help either. They just come right back: kill -9 `ps aux | grep cron | awk '{ print $2 }' ` |
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| 23:05.03 | qu | dutchfish: jessie/sid |
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| 23:05.46 | dutchfish | qu, ask #debian-next it might be something new, a build script of some kind, i do not know |
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| 23:06.03 | qu | K |
| 23:06.28 | qu | I suspect it's a Xen function, although unfortunately Debian's abandoned Xen. |
| 23:06.39 | dutchfish | nope, that i know for sure |
| 23:06.52 | qu | (it was 'too hard') |
| 23:06.57 | undecided | hi |
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| 23:07.36 | undecided | this is a part of Bash 'case' statement: |
| 23:07.44 | undecided | *.[Rr][Aa][Rr]) cmd="unrar x -y -p" ;; |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | undecided: ask #bash |
| 23:07.57 | dutchfish | qu, not true, actually i have xen running on jessie myself, but not sid |
| 23:08.06 | undecided | where can i read more about those square bracket format? |
| 23:08.38 | qu | dutchfish: Not saying it won't run. But that that particular incantation for PVM must be Xen-specific. |
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| 23:09.03 | qu | (installDebianPackage) |
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| 23:09.20 | dutchfish | qu, false also, it is easier then ever, since xen is incorporated into th elatest kernels |
| 23:09.34 | qu | What's false? |
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| 23:09.59 | dutchfish | qu, your statement is not true |
| 23:10.18 | dutchfish | qu, delve into the fine manuals |
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| 23:10.39 | qu | Which one? That installDebianPackage is part of Xen? Or something else? PS How old are you? |
| 23:10.54 | incal | can I suspend (or make the scheduler ignore) all software running on a specific core, collectively? I need to be able to resume them as well |
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| 23:11.27 | dutchfish | qu, that i do not know, ask #debian-next (on my setup i used the xen tools for setting up hosts and vm's. There was no need for such a tool |
| 23:12.24 | qu | dutchfish: Well there are many things busted about Debian's Xen now, so you must have installed a long time ago. |
| 23:13.13 | dutchfish | qu, (spolier) you can now install a debian instance directly from the web, configure to your likings before you bring it life, have fun or ask #xen or #debian-next |
| 23:14.02 | dutchfish | qu, what is your specific debian question? |
| 23:14.07 | qu | You mean using netinst. pfff. |
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| 23:15.06 | qu | I was trying to find out whether installDebianPackage is a Debian or Xen function, but now I infer it is Xen. |
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| 23:15.43 | dutchfish | qu, i do not know, it isn't xen nor debian probably |
| 23:16.17 | qu | Check your /etc/xen-tools/roles.d/gdm. |
| 23:16.26 | dutchfish | qu, if your host is debian, all goes through apt and family |
| 23:17.39 | qu | Def. a Xen function. |
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| 23:18.31 | dutchfish | qu, in xentools see: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/xen-tools/filelist |
| 23:18.47 | qu | It's in Xen hooks. |
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| 23:21.19 | monkwitdafunk | Hi channel. My zotac atom with raid needs firmware.upon installation |
| 23:21.42 | dutchfish | qu, are you sure this debian, i can not find it at my install base, so i can not answer on that one, anyway ask #debian-next or #xen prolly |
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| 23:23.39 | monkwitdafunk | Do you users think the firmware is for graphics? intel graphics |
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| 23:26.56 | Zackio | hi, trying to confirm my subscription to the debian seclist, postfix here rejects the debian cert because it's from an unrecogmized authrority, how exactly would i add it? |
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| 23:27.47 | zh1 | is it better to use ftp or http in sources list? |
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| 23:33.05 | monkwitdafunk | If i can, i would use the sources.list file to update offline with my dvds |
| 23:34.23 | monkwitdafunk | Doing patches and upgrades are a part of the upgrade of debian right? |
| 23:34.36 | monkwitdafunk | the upgrade dvd's |
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| 23:35.31 | monkwitdafunk | That is the best thing ever that ive seen where all patches can be on a dvd or cd |
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| 23:37.27 | monkwitdafunk | is happy to have 7.6.0 dvd 1-3 |
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| 23:39.09 | monkwitdafunk | now what i am trying to do is have a star topology wired at 2GB/s ethernet. I need one more PC with as many pci-e slots to.be the central hub |
| 23:39.54 | monkwitdafunk | If my interests fall with debian, i am using debian on all machines |
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| 23:40.16 | monkwitdafunk | Either that or any kernel 3.13 gnu linux |
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| 23:42.45 | monkwitdafunk | That is because i want a homogenious ethernet frame handler |
| 23:43.08 | monkwitdafunk | For every link segment that is |
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| 23:53.14 | yoLo_ | how do i open .chm files ? |
| 23:53.28 | yoLo_ | gnochm doesn't want to download nor chmsee |
| 23:53.51 | yoLo_ | it says that gnochm is referred to by another package |
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| 23:54.44 | themill | yoLo_: I normally use okular. There will be other readers available too, of course |
| 23:55.12 | yoLo_ | themill, i've opted for xchm |
| 23:56.37 | yoLo_ | xchm is awesome wow |
| 23:56.49 | yoLo_ | DEBIAN = RULES! |
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| 23:59.50 | monkwitdafunk | Debian rules if you use debian on every machine |
