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| 00:15.48 | L0aD1nG | hello there! |
| 00:16.10 | L0aD1nG | I have an issue with gnome 3 on Debian Wheezy.. |
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| 00:16.46 | Brigo | L0aD1nG, tell us, please :) |
| 00:16.59 | dvs | doesnt want to know! |
| 00:18.17 | L0aD1nG | the most of the times, when I log in it "crashes" for like seconds the main bar disappeares and reappears fast after some seconds till then most of the things on GUI is stacked, except the programs that are already running.After it flushes, everything is back to normal.... |
| 00:18.35 | L0aD1nG | its not that important issue though, but I decided to check it out. |
| 00:18.38 | L0aD1nG | Any opinions? |
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| 00:24.59 | unclezipper | Opinions? Use XFCE :P |
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| 00:28.10 | drumr7 | has anyone installed the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
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| 00:30.26 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.44 | drumr7 | ok. i installed the driver and notw i cant get x to start |
| 00:30.49 | drumr7 | no display |
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| 00:31.05 | ctmjr | how did you install it? |
| 00:31.11 | drumr7 | cli |
| 00:31.19 | drumr7 | i get control display undefined error |
| 00:32.00 | unclezipper | drumr7: Did you use the drivers from nVidia's website or the ones in the repository |
| 00:32.14 | drumr7 | nvidias website. the release ones not beta |
| 00:33.03 | unclezipper | drumr7: I've never been able to get the ones off the website to work. I've tried on about 6 different machines and always end up having to use the version in the repositories |
| 00:33.12 | drumr7 | k |
| 00:33.31 | drumr7 | i guess i need to search how to uninstall it |
| 00:33.31 | unclezipper | It seems that their way of doing things doesn't mesh nicely with X on Debian, for some reason |
| 00:33.41 | drumr7 | it does happen |
| 00:33.46 | unclezipper | It should have come with an uninstall script |
| 00:34.14 | drumr7 | it was just a .run file |
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| 00:35.43 | unclezipper | drumr7: run it with the --uninstall parameter |
| 00:36.00 | drumr7 | thank you |
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| 00:36.03 | drumr7 | ill will try that |
| 00:36.18 | ctmjr | !nvidia dkms |
| 00:36.18 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 00:38.08 | drumr7 | thanks |
| 00:39.40 | ctmjr | drumr7, it might be better to read the wiki for nvidia http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:40.52 | drumr7 | ok. i did come across http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Nvidia_Driver_Install_-_The_Debian/Nvidia_way but that looks better |
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| 00:46.15 | drumr7 | i didnt blacklist the nouveau one |
| 00:46.27 | Brigo | drumr7, if you want to install the nvidia driver, add backports and install nvidia-driver package from there. |
| 00:46.34 | drumr7 | ok |
| 00:46.42 | drumr7 | actually i just want to uninstal it now |
| 00:46.51 | drumr7 | start over |
| 00:48.44 | drumr7 | im on jessie |
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| 00:51.31 | drumr7 | uninstall worked |
| 00:51.32 | drumr7 | thanks |
| 00:51.58 | drumr7 | now if i can get this tp-link wireless usb thing to work |
| 00:52.32 | s7r | is debian 6 still supported? |
| 00:53.31 | s7r | !lifecycle |
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| 01:00.21 | rudi_s | !tell s7r about squeeze-lts |
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| 01:10.41 | thoonai | heyho, is there any possibillity that its possible to add global dns servers despite network-manager? |
| 01:12.14 | themill | Sure, you can specify the dns servers to be used in the nm config interface or you can configure them in your dhcp client |
| 01:13.13 | thoonai | themill: the only entries I can do is for network connections, not globally ... |
| 01:13.24 | thoonai | uses debian 7 + gnome 3 |
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| 01:15.49 | thoonai | themill: just found something, thanks |
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| 01:16.40 | xalteredxego | hey can someone help me configure my ovpn server to allow a specific client to be connected to the server but not route all its traffic through it by default? |
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| 01:18.32 | Fusselkater | just dont use the redirect gateway statement in the config file |
| 01:19.53 | thoonai | themill: ok it does not work |
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| 01:20.11 | thoonai | I'm like getting desperate |
| 01:21.40 | user | oh shit a fire |
| 01:21.43 | user | gtg |
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| 01:25.03 | L0aD1nG | good night Debian Fighters1 |
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| 01:26.56 | somiaj | thoonai: do you have the package resolvconf (or openresolv) installed? NM, and various other scripts know about that and it can keep nameservers from changing |
| 01:27.45 | cynicallemon | doenst NM depend on resolconf? |
| 01:27.53 | thoonai | somiaj: hum ill try this |
| 01:28.23 | somiaj | cynicallemon: it might, I dno't actually use nm |
| 01:29.02 | xalteredxego | i have a server at my house that is a webserver for my internal network at home and a VPN server in Germany that i route my PC's traffic through. I want to connect my home server to the VPN so that I can access the home server from any location, but i don't want it to automatically send all traffic through it because then it would not serve correctly on my lan |
| 01:30.20 | xalteredxego | i.e. so i can SSH into my home server from the VPN but have the home server do everything else on my home network |
| 01:30.54 | thoonai | ok I'm off, too tired ~.~ thanks for your help |
| 01:30.57 | cynicallemon | thoonai: you could try to edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
| 01:31.06 | thoonai | I'll take care of it tomorrow |
| 01:31.13 | thoonai | cynicallemon: I'll try |
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| 01:38.10 | unclezipper | I read something about being able to put firmware files in the initrd for the installer... how would I go about doing that? |
| 01:38.31 | Lady_Aleena | Hello everyone. I have this program which indexes my files. Is file indexing needed for the operation of my system, or just something nice to have when I need to search my files? |
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| 01:39.57 | unclezipper | Lady_Aleena: You don't strictly need it, but it may help to speed up file searches |
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| 01:40.59 | Lady_Aleena | So suspending it isn't a big problem? My system is so slow, yet I noticed a speed jump when I suspended the file indexing. |
| 01:42.19 | unclezipper | Lady_Aleena: No. You could get away with removing it if you wanted to |
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| 01:44.34 | Lady_Aleena | I disabled it. Thanks unclezipper. |
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| 01:50.15 | xalteredxego | hey can someone answer a question about openvpn client specific configurations? |
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| 02:24.21 | JacotI | is there a way to do a backport of a printer driver? or does the whole galaxy of cups have to be packported? |
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| 02:24.31 | JacotI | backported |
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| 02:37.25 | richac | what is the bots name? |
| 02:37.32 | richac | lol |
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| 02:42.00 | richac | [22:41] <dpkg> wish i knew, richac |
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| 02:45.44 | drumr7 | i was able to get the nvidia drivers to install. i uninstalled noveau then restarted and onconsole i installed |
| 02:45.52 | drumr7 | and booted up and it was fine |
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| 03:03.11 | bigterd | trying to install firmware-b43-installer, wget won't grab the gzip, says can't resolv ' " and pukes. wget manually i can pull it. just not through apt-get |
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| 03:03.32 | bigterd | pisses me off, live stick it worked flawllessly, install it to the hdd, and now to actually use the laptop now i'm stuck. |
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| 03:04.05 | bigterd | any ideas? did a update and dist-upgrade, nothing else to update. something goofy in the scripts? |
| 03:04.46 | bigterd | Resolving ( )... failed: Name or service not known. |
| 03:04.47 | bigterd | wget: unable to resolve host address ` ' |
| 03:04.50 | bigterd | i'm stumped... |
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| 03:05.49 | themill | do you have an http proxy that the user is using but not wget from apt? |
| 03:06.05 | bigterd | i don't think i setup a proxy.... |
| 03:06.10 | bigterd | where would i check? |
| 03:06.35 | bigterd | i left it blank, although i do remember hitting spacebar on installer when it asked for proxy? maybe the space is goofying it? |
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| 03:07.09 | bigterd | themill: that's a good conclusion, where would i check proxy config? |
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| 03:07.45 | themill | bigterd: apt has proxy config in /etc/apt/apt.conf* but will also use the http_proxy environment variable as will wget. |
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| 03:08.25 | themill | (wild guess on my part here!) |
| 03:09.11 | bigterd | you deserve a french kiss....it saved the white space when i installed |
| 03:09.24 | bigterd | i was too lazy to backspace and then continue. |
| 03:09.25 | bigterd | haha |
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| 03:09.54 | themill | heh |
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| 03:10.11 | themill | I guess apt ignores this but wget doesn't. |
| 03:10.30 | bigterd | thanks. never would of put 1 and 1 together why usespace wget worked but wget via apt wouldnt. |
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| 03:10.55 | themill | I did notice the space in the hostname wget was complaining about but wondered if that was just a typo |
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| 03:38.02 | vaxerdec | hello, if i set debconf to "noninteractive" does that mean also that even rcfiles changes will never prompt me? or is that separate control by dpkg flags? |
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| 03:40.49 | vaxerdec | so for example if i do "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and select "noninteractive" interface, but also set --force-confdef --force-confask will i still get prompted when an rcfile conflict occurs? |
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| 03:43.05 | vaxerdec | (setting the flags via DPkg::options) |
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| 03:44.07 | vaxerdec | i get the impression they are orthogonal, so there will still be prompts for specific case of rcfiles, but if debconf handles this part, maybe not? |
| 03:45.04 | jelly-home | vaxerdec: correct, debconf is separate from conffile questions |
| 03:46.48 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: if that's the case, how would the conffile questions get asked in a gui? dpkg would do it by communicating with apt, which would use its frontend to ask? |
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| 03:47.11 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: it doesn't get a preference about interactivity from debconf? |
| 03:47.22 | jelly-home | vaxerdec: I have no idea, actually |
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| 03:48.12 | jelly-home | since this is dpkg functionality I've no idea what frontends there are, at all |
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| 03:49.21 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: doesn't apt use dpkg? |
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| 03:49.56 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: does it completely reimplement all dpkg functionality? |
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| 03:52.06 | jelly-home | vaxerdec: apt calls dpkg. |
| 03:52.36 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: using eg system(3) ? |
| 03:53.03 | jelly-home | something like that, yes |
| 03:53.25 | vaxerdec | there's no programmatic interface to dpkg? |
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| 03:53.55 | jelly-home | not that I know of; dpkg does all the low level work |
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| 03:54.29 | jelly-home | even debconf is implemented as a huge fd-based hack on config scripts |
| 03:54.39 | jelly-home | (called from dpkg) |
| 03:54.53 | vaxerdec | i do see a libdpkg.a and a libdpkg-perl |
| 03:55.09 | xen_roger | what about http://dpkg.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 03:56.15 | vaxerdec | xen_roger: ok yes, that's what i was thinking, apt must use that... |
| 03:57.04 | vaxerdec | i'm trying to figure out if apt learns about your interactivity preference from debconf and would use that to know how to ask you about conffile replacement |
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| 03:57.17 | vaxerdec | (or whether to ask you) |
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| 03:58.51 | vaxerdec | wait, now i see a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg, is it preferable to specify dpkg flags here or in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ? |
| 03:59.27 | vaxerdec | i had made a apt.conf.d/foo with DPkg::options { "foo1"; "foo2"; } |
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| 04:00.32 | vaxerdec | i'm guessing the former covers both cases (dpkg directly and also via apt or anything else), whereas latter only for apt-foo commands |
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| 04:01.55 | vaxerdec | i wonder who wins if in both places? hmm |
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| 04:12.29 | vaxerdec | hmm what's this ucf thing? is it dead? this looks like it will bypass dpkg entirely if a maintainer uses it |
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| 04:13.17 | somiaj | vaxerdec: I would guess it would depend on if you used dpkg or apt. Apt passes the options as command line arguments to dpkg, which I think takes presence over any config file set for dpkg. |
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| 04:16.36 | vaxerdec | hrm, https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages seems to say that both ucf and debconf could handle the config file updates in the update script, rather than using dpkg to do it :-( |
| 04:16.38 | somiaj | vaxerdec: what do you mean by bypass dpkg. ucf isn't a package manager |
| 04:17.12 | vaxerdec | somiaj: by that i mean, they will do the conffile update themselves in their own code rather than using dpkg's implicit handling |
| 04:17.16 | somiaj | correct conffiles are considered special so caution/care is taken when upgrading a package as to not destory the conffile |
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| 04:17.40 | vaxerdec | which means also someone could just handle it in a shell script |
| 04:17.59 | vaxerdec | so there is no way to set any kind of global policy on what to do with config files on update |
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| 04:19.00 | vaxerdec | every maintainer decides for themselves and may or may not listen to your preference |
| 04:19.37 | vaxerdec | :-/ well at least the "policy" seems to hold paramount not to lose changes |
| 04:20.04 | somiaj | debian does have policies on what is considered a conffile and how to handel them properly. If a package is not following policy you can report a bug. |
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| 04:20.19 | somiaj | non debian packages may not follow this policy though. |
| 04:20.28 | vaxerdec | there are some updates that require new stanza or the daemon won't start for example, it requires a hand-merge or wholesale replacement, so doing it non-interactively will either break it, or break your config |
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| 04:21.58 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files |
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| 04:22.56 | somiaj | rember debian is a frozen system. Running stable one should not have an upgrade that will require changing a config file like you mention. Now a dist-upgrade is different. And the packages are tested to ensure that upgrading from oldstable to stable will do the correct thing in those cases. |
| 04:23.39 | vaxerdec | i'm considering a dist-upgrade |
| 04:23.48 | vaxerdec | non-interactive |
| 04:23.56 | somiaj | so the case you are describing is either using some custom/unoffical packages that are getting more than security/bug fixes. Or runnign testing/unstable, but things aren't expected to always work there |
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| 04:24.32 | vaxerdec | if dpkg leaves a .dpkg-dist or .dpkg-old during a non-interactive run does it email root? |
| 04:25.28 | somiaj | usually a dist-upgrade from oldstable -> stable requires some interaction. But in the case you are upgrading lots of servers, Iw oudl think you would test things first. Yes dpkg can be set up to email root logs about an upgrade. I'm unsure what the defaults mail but a mail is sent |
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| 04:25.43 | somiaj | you can also use apt-listchanges and have that sendemails to root letting you know about all the changes in the upgrade |
| 04:25.53 | vaxerdec | somiaj: yes or use a tool to rebuild the system. this is not ideal situation but i don't have control over it |
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| 04:26.12 | vaxerdec | ok, it sounds reasonably sane |
| 04:26.23 | vaxerdec | somiaj: that's a good link, thanks for the reference |
| 04:26.38 | vaxerdec | i'm sure that package maintainers try to make sure a dist-upgrade doesn't break anything |
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| 04:26.44 | vaxerdec | as best they can... |
| 04:27.34 | somiaj | the freeze last for a while to try to get as much figure out as posible and the release notes usually contain a list of known issues during the dist-upgrade process |
| 04:27.43 | vaxerdec | such a huge undertaking, so much software. amazing what debian has been able to pull off as largely volunteer effort |
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| 04:28.55 | somiaj | yea I list dist-upgrades. Though the last few releases I wouldn't trust to non-interactive. They seem to require doing it in steps. Though squeeze->wheezy was fairly nice. Better than when udev was introduced and you needed to install a new kernel and udev before doing the dist-upgrade |
| 04:29.28 | vaxerdec | somiaj: looks like a lot of changes in this one, especially with systemd |
| 04:30.03 | somiaj | they systemd switch has been fairly seemelse for me which is the best I could ask for (I'm one of those prefer not to use systemd types) |
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| 04:30.18 | somiaj | but on my sid box it swithced to systemd and I have not noticed any issues with the change. |
| 04:30.48 | vaxerdec | somiaj: yes, me too. i'm basically planning to just hardcode init= in the bootloader before the reboot after dist-upgrade |
| 04:30.54 | somiaj | and since it is fully LSB compadable, all scripts in /etc/init.d/ will still work after the switch. Though if you want to stick with sysvinit you will need to hand hold the upgrade |
| 04:31.04 | somiaj | shoudln't need to do that |
| 04:31.14 | Hunterkll | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 04:31.14 | Hunterkll | iirc |
| 04:31.18 | Hunterkll | will do it without pulling in systemd |
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| 04:31.30 | vaxerdec | oh really, interesting |
| 04:31.35 | Hunterkll | as of lately i've been, when using debian, building off an old install disc and doing that to pull myself up |
| 04:31.38 | somiaj | if you don't want to switch to systemd just install the new sysvinit packages first before the upgrade then the transitional package won't pull in systemd |
| 04:32.05 | Hunterkll | bah |
| 04:32.10 | Hunterkll | just stick with slackware, you'll be fine :P |
| 04:32.23 | vaxerdec | i actually liked upstart, heh |
| 04:32.55 | Hunterkll | systemd was a solution created in search of a problem just like X11 was, mark my words |
| 04:32.55 | somiaj | safe-upgrade won't upgrade your full system, but once you realize it it is nice. when running sid I prefer to first upgrade, then dist-upgrade so I can isolate only the packages which require adding/removeing packages in a step for deailnig with bugs |
| 04:33.12 | Hunterkll | and i'tll stick around because of huge vendor-support and lockin |
| 04:33.25 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: no that's why it was created |
| 04:33.31 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: the second part ;-) |
| 04:33.35 | Hunterkll | NeWS and Display PostScript were just fine thank you very much! |
| 04:33.50 | Hunterkll | X11. You'll envy the dead. X11. Not even once. |
| 04:33.51 | Hunterkll | :D |
| 04:34.07 | vaxerdec | sorry didn't mean to start the whole argument. good to know a path is available for those who do not want it |
| 04:34.16 | Hunterkll | argument? |
| 04:34.16 | somiaj | I'm still using an fvwm config from 2000 and just have no use for all the desktop integration. But as long as it stays out of my way I'm willing to give it a try. So far I just notice a lot more processes running than I prefer. |
| 04:34.20 | Hunterkll | i'm just going back to trashing X11 :P |
| 04:34.42 | Hunterkll | X11 is a dangerous software crime. |
| 04:34.42 | vaxerdec | somiaj: i'm sure one of them can tell you how many are running |
| 04:34.50 | Hunterkll | http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/dangerous-virus.html :D |
| 04:35.08 | Hunterkll | I hear they want tot ake the VT system out of the kernel and move it to a userspace daemon |
| 04:35.10 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: are you ok with wayland then? |
| 04:35.19 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: that's absurd |
| 04:35.20 | somiaj | vaxerdec: Debian tries to provide choice and freedom. Provided supporting multiple init's is not a huge burdorn on the matinaers I think debian will try its best to give options. |
| 04:35.21 | Hunterkll | so that when this daemon locks up and i'm trying to restart X, i won't be able to :D |
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| 04:35.47 | Hunterkll | vaxerdec, well, no, because wayland's even worse |
| 04:35.49 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: i saw something about that too but it doesn't look like it's happened, if it does i will have big issues, i don't even run X much |
| 04:35.56 | Hunterkll | at least X11 works in a network transparent way |
| 04:36.01 | Hunterkll | Wayland is just network capable |
| 04:36.02 | Hunterkll | huge difference |
| 04:36.21 | Hunterkll | like i said, NeWS, DPS, etc.... |
| 04:36.51 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: well they advocate using a compressed remote framebuffer type solution that sends deltas |
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| 04:37.12 | Hunterkll | vaxerdec, oh, you mean kind of like what windows does? :P |
| 04:37.33 | somiaj | Anyways I let this drift to far, we should try to keep this to actual debian support questions and move to #debian-offtopic if ya want to continue talking about this. |
| 04:37.40 | Hunterkll | i have gig and 10 gig network links now. i don't need no stinkin' compression and don't want it either when i'm working on photo editing software :P |
| 04:37.57 | vaxerdec | well, can't an X root window be hosted on wayland? so you can just use that |
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| 04:38.32 | vaxerdec | somiaj: ok, so the "new" sysv you mention, i have to pull that in from testing first? is there a backport? |
| 04:38.35 | Hunterkll | well, yea, that's the work-around if you're forced into using wayland. but i'm not, and i don't, so i'm allll good :P ... or would be if sun had a bigger spine when all this went down .. |
| 04:39.03 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: definitely ancient history, good for a #unixlore channel probably ;-) |
| 04:39.21 | Hunterkll | you should remember all this. your handle tells me that is true. ;P |
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| 04:39.40 | vaxerdec | Hunterkll: i get that a lot. but no, i didn't use the systems. i'm too young |
| 04:39.49 | Hunterkll | i'm 25 -_- |
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| 04:40.38 | somiaj | vaxerdec: if/when you upgrade to jessie from wheezy (you can try it now but even after the release of jessie) the current sysvinit packages are now transitional packages and the sysvinit packages have been renamed to sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils. So after you change your sources.list to jessie and update. Install the sysvinit-core first (this should remove sysvinit, if it doens't remove that package) then when you ... |
| 04:40.44 | somiaj | ... upgrade the transitional package won't pull in systemd and you will still be running sysvinit |
| 04:41.20 | somiaj | vaxerdec: there won't be a backport, as it is mainly a package renamed to deal with teh dist-upgrade fomr wheezy to jessie after the release. |
| 04:41.47 | vaxerdec | is processing... |
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| 04:44.53 | vaxerdec | somiaj: ok, i think i understand. that is very helpful |
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| 04:45.48 | vaxerdec | i'm actually surprised existing systems will get systemd by default |
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| 04:46.01 | vaxerdec | it would make sense for new, but not existing systems |
| 04:46.21 | vaxerdec | that seems rather insane for people to have to do something to *not* change init on dist-upgrade |
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| 04:46.51 | vaxerdec | but i can see clearly it was debated to death, i'm sure the rationale is sound... to someone ;-) |
| 04:47.14 | somiaj | vaxerdec: debian after a long heated debate (Check the mailing lists) switched to systemd as the default. This means the default cores of action when going from wheezy->jessie should be to install systemd. |
| 04:47.51 | vaxerdec | somiaj: yes, i read the debate, but stopped reading after the founder dude got really pissed |
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| 04:47.59 | somiaj | That is the whole point of a default to be the ting that happens if you choose not to take control. (rationale behind the swithc). As for the actual decision afik it was a really close vote |
| 04:48.54 | vaxerdec | somiaj: because i saw it would be systemd, but i never dreamed they would change init on an existing system, that seems crazy to me. it's already installed and working and deployed, only the new system should get it imo |
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| 04:50.02 | vaxerdec | i think it doesn't much matter though. "real" systems would never be dist-upgrade anyways, just redeployed |
| 04:50.13 | somiaj | It is not just goint to appear on your system. But when you dist-upgrade it will (just like if you install fresh it would be the default). REcall this is a dist-upgrade not just one day it is running on my system. |
| 04:50.51 | vaxerdec | somiaj: true, i take your point, but, i mean that's like changing your system logger or your runlevel configuration |
| 04:50.53 | somiaj | and if your foolish enough to use 'stable' in your sources.list so this happens to you out of the blue, well hopefully you aren't running any servers I care about. ;) |
| 04:52.20 | somiaj | dist-upgrade changes everything. What is the difference between changing to a new version (sometimes with radicail differences) or adiffernt program. There was once a dist-upgrade that changed you from openoffice.org to libreoffice, another from tetex to texlive. Dist-upgrdades change everything on your system (well amost everytying there are some dead packages that seem to work just fine with no improvment over the course ... |
| 04:52.26 | somiaj | ... of a releasE) |
| 04:52.37 | vaxerdec | i think the lesson is simply to use provisioning and not subject yourself to this |
| 04:53.19 | vaxerdec | somiaj: well, i think it violates least surprise |
| 04:53.35 | vaxerdec | somiaj: but, i appear to have been confused about what a dist-upgrade really is |
| 04:53.43 | somiaj | well this is why debian supports oldstable for a year after the release (And with lts even longer). It gives admins a chance to test things/make decisions before they dist-upgrade. Doing dist-upgrades haphazzerdly seems to be more an issue than the fact it changes things. |
| 04:53.50 | vaxerdec | somiaj: as described, it's simply an install-in-place, not an upgrade-in-place |
| 04:54.18 | vaxerdec | somiaj: yes, that's a rational argument |
| 04:54.47 | vaxerdec | somiaj: i am new to debian and misunderstood what dist-upgrade was for |
| 04:54.49 | jelly-home | somiaj: I like to use the term "release upgrade" for squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:55.12 | somiaj | dist-upgrade is upgrading your ssystem from one version of debain (wheezy) to another (jessie) -- Debian is not a rolling distro, the releases are frozen and well tested targets and dist-upgrades happen once every few years. |
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| 04:55.40 | jelly-home | somiaj: because that's exactly what apt-get does NOT use "dist-upgrade" for |
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| 04:56.13 | vaxerdec | ironically, i abandoned redhat after 15+ years to escape systemd... hah. |
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| 04:56.37 | jelly-home | vaxerdec: and you were surprisingly okay with upstart in EL6? |
| 04:56.39 | vaxerdec | at least there is a workaround in debian though |
| 04:57.14 | vaxerdec | jelly-home: it's much less invasive. i thought it was not the greatest, and had problems, but it sure wasn't replacing my kitchen sink too |
| 04:57.18 | somiaj | jelly-home: yea I guess that is better phrase. |
| 04:57.48 | vaxerdec | soon i will be compiling my software with systemd-cc, reading logs with systemd-less, editing files with systemd-vim |
| 04:58.13 | vaxerdec | and yes, i can choose not to use it, but then i have to run only from initrd using busybox. because, well progress and stuff. |
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| 04:58.58 | somiaj | vaxerdec: That is starting to drift offtopic again. We have heard this all before. But debian has chosen to go with systemd as the default in jessie and I doubt that is gonna change now. |
| 04:59.23 | vaxerdec | somiaj: well, i was only responding to jelly-home, whose question was valid |
| 04:59.34 | jelly-home | nota bene, "as default" not "as the only option" |
| 04:59.47 | vaxerdec | somiaj: but yes, i'm aware, and not actually arguing about it, it's obviously water under the bridge at this point |
| 05:00.06 | vaxerdec | somiaj: at least debian does, and likely will continue to facilitate choice |
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| 05:01.50 | vaxerdec | rh could easily have kept sysv as an alternative, but that wasn't in keeping with their strategic plans, which are governned by capital interests, not user freedom or choice. in any case, thanks for helping me to learn how to keep sysv, that is very helpful and i was confused by what to do. |
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| 05:02.42 | somiaj | vaxerdec: I suggest just droping this conversation for now. You keep drifting out of the realm of debian support. We aren't here to compare debian to other distros but to support it's use. |
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| 05:08.11 | vaxerdec | somiaj: that's kind of what i did with the last sentence, i thought. |
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| 05:11.39 | vaxerdec | anyways, thanks. i will come back if i get stuck with dist-upgrade. have a good night. |
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| 05:20.59 | nurupo | how can i start a daemon from a vinit script? |
| 05:21.07 | nurupo | >sudo service some-named start |
| 05:21.10 | nurupo | >Failed to start some-named.service: Unit some-named.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 05:22.16 | nurupo | using the script directly results in the same error |
| 05:22.37 | nurupo | i'm on debian testing, so there is systemd |
| 05:22.55 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 05:22.55 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 05:22.59 | nurupo | but i remember it being able to run vinit scripts a few months ago |
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| 05:23.19 | nurupo | different network... |
| 05:23.28 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 05:23.35 | nurupo | i guess this is inevitable |
| 05:25.28 | jelly-home | I cound maybe manage a wild-ass guess, but I have no idea what vinit scripts are, esp. the "v" bit |
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| 05:26.30 | nurupo | init scripts compatible with / written for SysVinit |
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| 05:29.32 | jelly-home | mine still work, not sure what happens there |
| 05:29.55 | jelly-home | nurupo: which package does your /etc/init.d/some-named come from? |
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| 05:30.45 | nurupo | not a package, it's my own daemon |
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| 05:31.16 | jelly-home | nurupo: care to pastebin the contents? |
| 05:32.24 | jelly-home | is the lsb header present in the script? |
| 05:32.52 | nurupo | jelly-home: here https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/blob/master/other/bootstrap_daemon/tox-bootstrapd.sh |
| 05:34.36 | jelly-home | nurupo: looks reasonably sane. Did you remove the ".sh" part after putting the init script in place? |
| 05:34.37 | nurupo | i just don't understand why it looks for systemd unit script when systemd worked with regular init script just fine not so long ago. will ask on #debian-next, finished adding it to the irc bouncer :) |
| 05:34.48 | nurupo | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 05:36.32 | jelly-home | is the file executable? :-) |
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| 05:36.54 | nurupo | yes |
| 05:38.45 | jelly-home | that's all I got |
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| 05:44.20 | lisbeth | channel for sid? |
| 05:44.44 | jelly-home | !tell lisbeth about debian-next |
| 05:45.05 | lisbeth | dang it's invite only |
| 05:45.17 | lisbeth | That's kind of a let-down. |
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| 06:36.03 | Teltariat | Hello all. Is it possible to configure DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces to grab only address info only, and not set any routes? |
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| 06:38.03 | somiaj | Teltariat: you will have to configure dhclient (most likely what dhcp client you are using) |
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| 06:39.14 | Teltariat | somiaj: ah, ok. I've 2 interfaces, is it possible to tell dhclient to ignore route information for one of them? I guess that probably depends on which dhcp client probably, right? |
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| 07:48.11 | day | im using an arm based embedded PC with a debian distro. which uses a customized repo. Arent there official debian armhf repos as well? Couldnt i simply use those? |
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| 07:53.06 | waqstar | morning |
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| 07:53.31 | richac | hello all, autoremove wants to remove packages I need, how can I clear it or edit that? |
| 07:53.41 | waqstar | i know this isnt entirely debian related but is librsync and rsync different?. |
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| 07:55.51 | themill | dpkg: tell richac about unmarkauto |
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| 07:56.31 | richac | tks |
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| 07:56.49 | themill | waqstar: the librsync1 package has a Homepage set which answers that question |
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| 07:58.11 | waqstar | themill: kewl |
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| 08:08.48 | xen_roger | hi, who can i install debian on xen without hvm? short: is there a way to boot the install paravirtualized? |
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| 08:27.29 | TvL2386 | hi guys, I'm searching my ass of where the spanningtree multicast address 01-80-C2-00-00-00 is defined in the kernel |
| 08:29.23 | xen_roger | TvL2386: take a look at net/bridge/br_input.c |
| 08:29.56 | TvL2386 | yes I've already found that one, but it's not defined there |
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| 08:30.01 | TvL2386 | but thanks xen_roger |
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| 08:30.46 | TvL2386 | I've found stp_addr in net/batman-adv/soft-interface.c, but I'm not sure that is it |
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| 08:32.07 | xen_roger | TvL2386: what are you going to do? want to change it ? |
| 08:32.15 | TvL2386 | xen_roger, yes |
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| 08:32.29 | xen_roger | what´s the reason? |
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| 08:33.19 | TvL2386 | I have an existing bridging firewall set, which has the spanning-tree multicast address changed as to not interfere with the switch stp mechanism... I'm building new firewalls to replace the old ones, but it is not documented where the MAC is changed in the kernel |
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| 08:36.36 | blenov | test |
| 08:36.39 | TvL2386 | test |
| 08:36.41 | blenov | hola |
| 08:36.43 | kline | test |
| 08:36.44 | TvL2386 | hola |
| 08:36.50 | xen_roger | " has the spanning-tree multicast address changed as to not interfere with the switch stp mechanism" <-- why not just configure the switch in the right way? so there is no problem with regular stp ? |
| 08:38.40 | xen_roger | TvL2386: I don´t understand why you would touch an rfc confirm configuration instead of setting the switch stp in block at this interface e.g. |
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| 08:39.30 | TvL2386 | xen_roger, I understand your point, but this linux firewall is attached to a single switch and its purpose is to bridge 2 vlans together and run iptables on it |
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| 08:40.21 | imdea | Hi one question I'm trying to load tcp_probe module in my debian wheezy machine by using 'modprobe tcp_probe port=5001' however I'm getting FATAL: Module tcp_probe not found. What should I do? I'm using 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel that comes with wheezy |
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| 08:40.37 | day | what happens if i change my repos from wheezy main > jessy main? |
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| 08:41.00 | TvL2386 | xen_roger, there is another lower priority firewall that is running in stp blocking because it receives the bpdus from the other firewall |
| 08:41.09 | blenov | TvL2386 I'm beginner here,can you tell tell about Linux,debian and ubuntu what is different ? |
| 08:41.32 | xen_roger | TvL2386: pm ? |
| 08:41.55 | TvL2386 | xen_roger, sure |
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| 08:46.54 | oskie | what is "user-specific data files", i.e. files located in $HOME/.local (http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html)? |
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| 08:54.38 | mugs | hello! |
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| 08:57.20 | mugs | On linux mint 16, a debian repo works perfectly but I get a 404 error on debian squeeze for the same repo: W: Failed to fetch http://nightly.openerp.com/7.0/nightly/deb/./Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 08:58.29 | themill | Well that URL is a 404 so that's fair |
| 08:58.39 | nkuttler | mugs: ask the mint or the openerp people for support |
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| 09:00.21 | mugs | how come the exact same repo works ok on linux mint? I read from documentation that client programs should check for Packages OR Packages.gz |
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| 09:02.34 | d3lphi | Is Debian Wheezy using System V ? how can I check what kind of system/init a linux host is using? |
| 09:02.46 | jolt | d3lphi: Nope. |
| 09:02.55 | d3lphi | jolt: what is Debian using? |
| 09:02.59 | d3lphi | how is it called? |
| 09:03.11 | jolt | d3lphi: Sorry, I'm confused. wheezy is still sysv |
| 09:03.37 | d3lphi | jolt: not systemd ? |
| 09:03.38 | nkuttler | mugs: see man 5 apt.conf, CompressionTypes |
| 09:03.46 | rryoumaa | you can look in /etc and notice how the rc files are, for example |
| 09:03.50 | jolt | d3lphi: There is systemd in sid |
| 09:03.56 | jelly | d3lphi: correct. You can install systemd from wheezy-backports if you want to experiment |
| 09:04.09 | d3lphi | jelly: but what is the default in Debian Wheezy ? |
| 09:04.12 | jelly | d3lphi: sysvinit |
| 09:05.04 | d3lphi | oh ok. Is there any tutorial/text on the net which explains the differences betweend sysvinit, systemd, or system v ? I remember long time ago, where many users complaint about the new (which is system v I assume?) but I don't know why |
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| 09:05.12 | jolt | d3lphi: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 09:05.50 | d3lphi | jolt: for my understanding: so system v in Debian is called systemd-sysv ? |
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| 09:06.01 | jelly | d3lphi: "System V" is an old Unix OS that had an init system than sysvinit used on Linux is compatible with. |
| 09:06.19 | jelly | d3lphi: there is no such thing as "System V" on Linux. |
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| 09:06.43 | jolt | d3lphi: There are lots of googling do be done for the differences, but here is a debian-related discussion: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd |
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| 09:07.07 | d3lphi | jelly: hmmm... ok, I will dive into the link. Thank you so far |
| 09:07.17 | qjqqyy | systemd-sysv provides init and will kick sysvinit out, it's not sysvinit |
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| 09:15.46 | Rovanion | So I got this raid1 through mdadm called /dev/md0 with one disk missing. I got a replacement ready but mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 /dev/sdf1 tells me "is not possible". |
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| 09:16.12 | Rovanion | So does anyone know exactly how I re-add a removed device to a md? |
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| 09:17.55 | jelly | Rovanion: fail it, remove it, add it back |
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| 09:18.36 | jelly | Rovanion: --re-add only works for arrays with write-intent bitma |
| 09:18.36 | Rovanion | jelly: It's my root.. |
| 09:18.38 | r3n1c0n | hi |
| 09:19.16 | Rovanion | hi r3n1c0n |
| 09:19.18 | jelly | Rovanion: why is that an issue, your root is on the md device |
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| 09:19.36 | Rovanion | jelly: Thought removing it during operation would be a bad idea. |
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| 09:20.45 | r3n1c0n | few updates today hu. n1 |
| 09:20.49 | jelly | Rovanion: I mean mdadm --fail and mdadm --remove. The point of raid is to minimize downtime, so of course you can do it online (if hardware permits) |
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| 09:21.33 | Rovanion | jelly: Ha, I just thought, from the name, that mdadm --remove would also unmount the device or make it unusable in some way. |
| 09:22.19 | jelly | Rovanion: please read the man page documenting the actions before doing ANYTHING. |
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| 09:23.18 | Mathisen | anyone know of any good customer databse programs ?? need one for a computer store to manage customers + work done on the computers... is there any good out there ? web based would be optimal |
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| 09:30.15 | magnetik | Hey |
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| 09:30.24 | Walex | Mathisen: there are several, check freecode.com for a search using the obvious keywords. Likely not to be prepackaged for Debian though. |
| 09:30.49 | nkuttler | Mathisen: you might want to look into ticketing/task systems as well, instead of crm.. |
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| 09:31.53 | magnetik | Any *up to date* ressource on the cleanest way to build a debian package for a binary ? At the moment I'm just doing a folder with a DEBIAN/control file, and run dpkg-deb (and dpkg-sig) |
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| 09:43.46 | petn-randall | magnetik: Hard to say without context. But the usual way is to build a source package, and generate the .deb out of that. |
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| 09:46.11 | Rovanion | jelly: So after reading some of the manpage I sorted to running: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdf1 which seems to have worked. Since the device wasn't associated with the md, just removed, adding it back as a hot spare and then rebuilding onto it seemed like a good action to take. And it seems to have worked since it's rebuilding now. |
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| 09:55.14 | magnetik | petn-randall, it's for a closed source software |
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| 09:58.17 | coudy | Hi, I have problem with Debian stable in XEN. After some time, I can't login to debian, when I'm logged in on console, I can't start, restart services, |
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| 09:58.42 | coudy | free memory is 1.4GB from 2GB, swap is 0, iowait is 0 |
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| 10:05.14 | Ansa89 | I get a "undefined reference to __fentry__" while trying to compile a patched kernel |
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| 10:05.22 | Ansa89 | (obviously the error refer to a patched file) |
| 10:05.30 | Ansa89 | according to google "-mfentry" should automatically used by kernel |
| 10:05.38 | Ansa89 | if gcc is >= 4.6 (I'm using 4.7) |
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| 10:10.26 | petn-randall | magnetik: Do you need to change the binary in some way? If not, your approach is probably the easiest way. |
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| 10:11.07 | magnetik | petn-randall, no changes. Ho okay then, thanks |
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| 10:30.22 | SynrGy | serban: i'd use a lockfile in each interacting job to determine if it's ok to run |
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| 10:35.35 | cloudowind | hello every body |
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| 10:50.54 | cloudowind | its a bit quite today what time is it in eu |
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| 10:51.35 | jelly | noonish |
| 10:51.51 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:51.52 | dpkg | < guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in |
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| 11:28.19 | Anarch | On some Debian-based distributions, logging in gets a message like "40 packages can be updated.\n0 updates are security updates.", but I couldn't find the code that's generating those messages. Is there some apt-foo that can output messages formatted like that? |
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| 11:29.36 | jelly | Anarch: unattended-upgrades package |
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| 11:29.48 | Anarch | jelly: Thanks. |
| 11:29.55 | jelly | Anarch: find /etc/apt -name '*unattended*' |
| 11:30.38 | jelly | hm, or maybe not |
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| 11:30.59 | jelly | Anarch: ask the actual distro that has that feature, I guess |
| 11:31.53 | Anarch | jelly: This was very helpful; I found the dir you described, and now I have something googleable. |
| 11:32.45 | r3n1c0n | how can i grep something like ifconfig and then grep the line from wlan0 to 2 lines max? |
| 11:33.55 | Anarch | r3n1c0n: Are you looking for the -A flag to grep? (It gives lines of context After the match.) |
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| 11:35.28 | r3n1c0n | i want to grep 2 lines after the wlan0 in ifconfig. So i can get the inetadres |
| 11:35.45 | Anarch | r3n1c0n: I.e, is `ifconfig|grep -A2 wlan0` what you want? |
| 11:36.03 | Anarch | r3n1c0n: Well, the command I gave you will get you started. |
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| 11:36.25 | r3n1c0n | Yes thats what i mean thx alot Anarch |
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| 11:36.52 | r3n1c0n | after the -A i can input how many lines after the grep i can show. Thats what i mean |
| 11:36.58 | r3n1c0n | thx alot |
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| 11:59.13 | fusmu | hey guys, how can i update the database of the apt, so when i type a command that i don't have it, to suggest me which packet to install ? |
| 11:59.38 | ChrisH | fusmu: as ubuntu does? |
| 11:59.47 | jelly | ,v command-not-found |
| 11:59.49 | judd | Package: command-not-found on i386 -- jessie: 0.2.38-1; sid: 0.2.38-1; wheezy: 0.2.38-1; squeeze: 0.2.38-1 |
| 11:59.56 | jelly | fusmu: install that ^^ |
| 12:00.21 | ChrisH | And be prepared that all work gets slower in case of a typo |
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| 12:00.31 | jelly | *shrug* |
| 12:00.50 | jelly | ChrisH: that'll teach him not to make typos! |
| 12:01.05 | ChrisH | :) |
| 12:01.18 | fusmu | something like |
| 12:01.20 | fusmu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.20 | fusmu | The program 'gp' is currently not installed. To run 'gp' please ask your administrator to install the package 'pari-gp' |
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| 12:05.33 | alimj | AFAIK, It is a package that you should install: sudo apt-get install command-not-found |
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| 12:19.25 | Gxen | I am trying to install PDO driver on mysql-php, but I get the follwoing error (apt-get install php5-mysql): The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 12:19.30 | Gxen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.43 | Gxen | can anyone help with this? |
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| 12:21.52 | flecha | Hi! After editing configs in /etc/sysctl.conf, what should I do for them to take effect? |
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| 12:22.27 | metallic | Gxen, apt is telling you that package needs libraries which it cannot find. You can force apt to install it but you better search for those dependencies |
| 12:22.51 | Stummi | flecha, sysctl --help |
| 12:23.08 | flecha | Stummi: ty! |
| 12:23.22 | metallic | Gxen, it could be that those dependencies are in a different source (you'd have to add a repository) |
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| 12:25.24 | doev | I am not able to get sound output in puredata. I am using wheezy and system sound works with pulse audio. the error message is "audio I/O stuck... closing audio" |
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| 12:30.14 | Gxen | metallic: thx |
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| 12:45.45 | xen_roger | http://www.xup.to/dl,14235961/ModLauncher_v2.zip/ |
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| 12:46.34 | petn-randall | xen_roger: Wrong channel/ |
| 12:46.38 | petn-randall | ? |
| 12:46.48 | xen_roger | yes |
| 12:46.52 | xen_roger | sry |
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| 12:50.44 | rgr | flecha: this is one of those cases where if you need to ask then the Q is what are you doing modifying it in the first place? .... :) |
| 12:52.30 | flecha | rgr, hahah, good point. A daemon asked me to. Daemons always give good advices, right? |
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| 12:52.56 | kopimist | Is debian the first distro ever ? |
| 12:53.56 | rgr | kopimist: ? |
| 12:54.12 | kopimist | rgr, is Debian the first GNU+Linux distro ? |
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| 12:54.38 | flecha | kopimist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution#mediaviewer/File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg |
| 12:55.27 | rgr | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=first+linux+distro |
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| 12:58.15 | xen_roger | http://www.xup.to/dl,10354750/ModLauncher_v2.1.zip/ |
| 12:58.33 | xen_roger | damn ... |
| 12:58.35 | xen_roger | sry again ! |
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| 13:04.56 | julianoliver | Will there be a means to continue running sysvinit in Jessie rather than that hideous systemd monstrosity. |
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| 13:05.40 | julianoliver | I've been using Debian for 15 years. Can't believe systemd got past the bouncers of sanity. |
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| 13:09.52 | nkuttler | !remove systemd |
| 13:09.53 | dpkg | methinks remove systemd is You probably want to remove the systemd-sysv package and install systemd-shim instead. |
| 13:10.47 | julianoliver | nkuttler: thanks. |
| 13:10.48 | nkuttler | julianoliver: no idea though if that will still be possible when jessie releases.. looking into a bsd desktop myself.. |
| 13:12.08 | julianoliver | nkuttler: BSD's of little use to me. I work so much in the Embedded/SoC space and choose Debian where possible. Personally I'm very disappointed and just hope sanity will return. |
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| 13:15.46 | evilman_work | Lady_Aleena: indexing is needed for search acceleration. |
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| 13:19.38 | abailarri | Hello. I tried to upgrade my debian server and misteriously, some repos don't work. http://paste.debian.net/125943/ I don't touch anything and I don't understand why not work. Ant suggestion please? |
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| 13:21.05 | julianoliver | nkuttler: perhaps I'll start a Tuesday evening meeting group here in Berlin, for all the other Debian users here suffering Post SystemD Despression Disorder. |
| 13:21.30 | julianoliver | s/Despression/Depression/ |
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| 13:23.32 | Miesco | My .xinitrc isn't running all the commands for some reason. Is there a log file that would have the console output? |
| 13:24.12 | xen_roger | abailarri: maybe your dns is broken / old cache entry ? try "dig security.debian.org" |
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| 13:24.41 | abailarri | xen_roger, dig is respondind |
| 13:24.46 | abailarri | responding * |
| 13:24.59 | xen_roger | abailarri: wich ip did you get? |
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| 13:26.29 | xen_roger | abailarri: you log shows 128.31.0.36 wich is the page of steffani.debian.org ;) - maybe this mirror is broken ? I got other servers |
| 13:26.49 | Brigo | if not syslog try .xsession-errrors |
| 13:27.45 | abailarri | xen_roger, I don't know. The VPS comes with this repos in the sources list |
| 13:28.23 | LordDeath | https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/archives/ <-- there is no chance to run the amd64.deb on my i386 system, right? |
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| 13:28.51 | SPF | abailarri: I also got other servers |
| 13:29.24 | xen_roger | abailarri: check http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/ in your browser it should work ... compare with dig on your system... repo is ok, but selected mirror may be broken |
| 13:29.48 | Miesco | Wait I figured it out, I just did startx blah -- :1 &> log |
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| 13:31.40 | abailarri | xen_roger, an if is broken, what can I do? |
| 13:33.36 | xen_roger | keep wainting or try to flush dns cache ... |
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| 13:34.32 | xen_roger | or pointing directly to specific mirror what is not recommended |
| 13:35.00 | abailarri | xen_roger, for flush dns caches, what can I do? |
| 13:35.03 | abailarri | restart bind? |
| 13:35.40 | xen_roger | you could make an host entry like "212.211.132.32 security.debian.org" |
| 13:35.54 | Miesco | This is weird. in .xinitrc this is not working: '[[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb ~/.Xresources'. I get: /home/shawn/.xinitrc: 9: /home/shawn/.xinitrc: [[: not found |
| 13:35.59 | xen_roger | but should be removed soon adain |
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| 13:43.53 | xen_roger | abailarri: does it resolve you problem ? |
| 13:43.57 | alouiii | hi all, i want to install slimerjs on linux (centos) but they only give the dep for debian like os. so is there a way i can find any equivalence for redhat like os ??? i am not looking for troubles :p |
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| 13:44.29 | abailarri | xen_roger, I wait for look if the server works again |
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| 13:45.19 | xen_roger | alouiii: you could try "alien" converts deb to rpm |
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| 13:46.15 | xen_roger | alouiii: e.g. alien -r package_name.deb => results in package_name.rpm |
| 13:46.58 | alouiii | ok thanks i will try it |
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| 13:57.04 | rimas23412 | How to know that the repo mirror i'm using is maintained properly (packages are update) ? |
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| 14:00.23 | ChrisH | rimas23412: Where did you get your repo mirror data from? some untrusted source? assuming you leave it up to debian's location based loadbalancing _I_ would assume all mirrors are OK |
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| 14:02.15 | rimas23412 | I choose it when i was installing Debian. I'm asking because, in past i was using my country mirror, but packages was outdated |
| 14:03.20 | rimas23412 | debian's location based loadbalancing ? |
| 14:03.56 | jelly | !which hdn |
| 14:03.57 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <http.debian.net> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
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| 14:04.55 | jelly | rimas23412: there are people keeping outdated mirrors out of http.debian.net redirector, so it ought to Just Work⢠|
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| 14:08.02 | rimas23412 | thanks i look at this. |
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| 14:10.37 | Pex- | Debian keeps remembering my session whenever I log out and in again even if I have selecten in setting to not save my session. Is this normal? Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 14:28.19 | topi` | is it possible to mount root as read-only and have dhcp still configure your /etc/resolv.conf file? |
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| 14:28.51 | topi` | what's the mechanism anyway how the DNS system queries the /etc/resolv.conf file in the first place? (I think the dns code is in the kernel?) |
| 14:28.57 | zinx | topi`: if /etc/resolv.conf is writable, yes... |
| 14:29.18 | topi` | zinx: that's kind of problematic, since most of the stuff in /etc can be left in read-only state |
| 14:29.26 | zinx | topi`: nsswitch generally handles dns queries, and is not in the kernel |
| 14:29.29 | topi` | and having root as read-only would be the best option |
| 14:29.42 | topi` | ah, it's in the C library |
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| 14:32.40 | topi` | I guess I'd need to implement a custom /lib/libnss_dns.so to have a custom DNS lookup mechanism, not dependent on the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:33.22 | topi` | switching to a different libc implementation would be very unwise, given that all debian packages depend on gnu libc... |
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| 14:34.08 | zinx | or you could make /etc/resolv.conf writable, whatever |
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| 14:34.43 | topi` | I don't want /etc to be writable |
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| 14:37.28 | Baah | hi! |
| 14:38.30 | Baah | Is it possible to use the iproute2 method of https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface to configure 1 dhcp ip and 1 static ? |
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| 14:38.57 | Baah | It works but after 30 min the static just disapear |
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| 14:39.49 | mousa | I am using Debian 7 and KDE desktop. Google chrome recently always shows message that 'Shockwave flash player has crashed' and can't show or play flash files. I updated gooogle chrome, still the problem exists. Can anyone suggest on a fix? |
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| 14:40.45 | pl | Hello. Do any of you try to use chromium 38 on Debian testing? |
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| 14:40.53 | pl | I find it segfaults |
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| 14:44.27 | mtn | pl: works fine on mine |
| 14:44.58 | pl | mtn, and did you get a message about "missing Google APIs"? |
| 14:45.06 | pl | before crashing I get that message |
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| 14:45.29 | mtn | pl: yes, I got that message, but no crash. |
| 14:45.36 | pl | strange |
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| 14:46.00 | pl | I'm on i386, maybe that's why |
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| 14:46.07 | pl | I think I'm one of the few nowdays |
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| 14:47.10 | mtn | pl: could be, I am on 64. I also have almost no addons. |
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| 14:47.50 | unclezipper | pl: I'm on my Core Duo laptop right now |
| 14:47.51 | pl | mtn, I'll investigate. thanks |
| 14:48.16 | pl | unclezipper, like mine. And chromium 38 works fine? |
| 14:48.32 | unclezipper | I'm using stable, sorry. Couldn't tell you |
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| 14:50.13 | AndreeeCZ | hello, my friend has this problem on jessie: |
| 14:50.13 | AndreeeCZ | http://pastie.org/9644343 |
| 14:50.15 | unclezipper | Is there any reason why DNS lookups(exclusively) to *.debian.org resolve to IPV6 addresses? |
| 14:50.28 | AndreeeCZ | i think i might have caused it by mangling some stuff, but not sure |
| 14:50.33 | AndreeeCZ | what can we do to fix this? |
| 14:50.53 | unclezipper | AndreeeCZ: Try using aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 14:51.21 | AndreeeCZ | unclezipper, ok |
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| 14:52.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | unclezipper, have you tried asking for an A record? |
| 14:52.43 | unclezipper | Eduard_Munteanu: Let me check real fast |
| 14:52.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | unclezipper, otherwise your system might prefer IPv6 over IPv4 addresses. |
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| 14:54.19 | Dagger | unclezipper: easiest check: `wget www.debian.org`, since it shows you all the addresses that come back from the resolver, what order they're in, and it tries them one-by-one and reports any errors |
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| 14:54.55 | unclezipper | Eduard_Munteanu: It doesn't seem like it does. Perhaps, but debian.org is the only domain that it does this with. Plus, *all* my Debian machines just started doing it out of the blue a few days ago |
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| 14:55.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | unclezipper, likely others have no IPv6 connectivity? |
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| 14:56.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | unclezipper, you should check /etc/gai.conf if you want to change the preference order |
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| 14:57.24 | unclezipper | I'll look. Wget pulled an IPv4 address but aptitude always resolves it as an IPv6, which takes forever to connect to if it doesn't simply time out |
| 14:57.32 | unclezipper | I'll check gai.conf |
| 14:57.40 | mousa | nobody use Google Chrome here? |
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| 14:58.11 | Dagger | unclezipper: before or after the v6 addresses? |
| 14:58.19 | unclezipper | After |
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| 14:59.59 | unclezipper | gai.conf is just a bunch of comments... |
| 15:00.01 | Dagger | unclezipper: ok, so that would only normally happen if you actually have a global v6 address. you can check with `ifconfig | grep Global` |
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| 15:10.24 | erore | Is there a way to find out which iso image I installed debian from? Somehow I managed to install debian with kde without extra software like libreoffice. Since then I deleted the images as well as the usb flash drive that I used for installation. |
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| 15:13.34 | ChrisH | erore: no Internetaccess? |
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| 15:14.26 | erore | ChrisH: It was definitely installed without internet access the computer is/was offline. |
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| 15:15.11 | ChrisH | fastest way would be: put the box online and install libreoffice via apt-get/aptitude |
| 15:17.09 | erore | oh, I was probably not clear. I would like to find that installation medium because it does not install the extra software. I do not want libre office and other extra stuff |
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| 15:37.40 | erore | ChrisH: Ok I found in sources.list # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy main. Is that the kde iso that is can be downloaded from debian.org? |
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| 15:38.45 | heurist | erore: yes, it is the iso that was used to install debian. |
| 15:39.09 | erore | heurist: how did I manage to install kde without the extras? :-) |
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| 15:39.49 | heurist | erore: I do not know. I do not use kde. maybe the CD1 does not have these "extras |
| 15:40.10 | erore | heurist: it does, i tried yesterday |
| 15:40.23 | heurist | erore: maybe you did not select them during install. not much more I can say. |
| 15:41.40 | erore | So is there a way to select packages in more detail than desktop environment, print server, ssh server, etc during the installation? (let's say select desktop environment and then deselect the extra packages? |
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| 15:57.57 | babilen | erore: No, but you can choose different desktop environments to install in the boot menu. See, for example, <install xfce> for details -- /msg dpkg install xfce |
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| 15:58.21 | babilen | typically just installs "standard" and does the rest manually. |
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| 15:59.55 | jhutchins | erore: You might want to start taking notes about what you choose during install and what changes you make to the system. |
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| 16:00.50 | erore | jhutchins: good idea. This is not the first time I managed to do something I really like and forgot how I did that. |
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| 16:02.19 | jhutchins | erore: It can also be useful if something goes wrong, you can go back and see what changed before it failed. |
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| 16:03.57 | linuxthefish | [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f)] |
| 16:03.58 | erore | jhutchins: But it takes quite a lot of time, that is why i never do that. |
| 16:03.58 | linuxthefish | slow :( |
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| 16:05.06 | linuxthefish | can i remove security.debian.org from my sources list? |
| 16:05.43 | RoyK | linuxthefish: you can, but it's not very wise |
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| 16:06.02 | linuxthefish | but i get 100% packet loss to that ipv6 address... |
| 16:06.07 | linuxthefish | tested from 4 different servers |
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| 16:06.43 | RoyK | linuxthefish: try with ipv4 - something might be wrong with ipv6 somewhere - I dunno |
| 16:06.57 | linuxthefish | how can i force apt-get to use ipv4? |
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| 16:07.27 | RoyK | linuxthefish: hm... not sure |
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| 16:07.45 | linuxthefish | i'll add only ipv4 to the hosts file for now, thanks |
| 16:08.31 | linuxthefish | yeah that works |
| 16:08.37 | Dagger | or use 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb, that one seems to be working |
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| 16:16.50 | JuanitoJons | Hello, I am using debian sid and I need run gitweb, is installed gitweb but apache shows an error, How can I do to run gitweb with apache? |
| 16:17.20 | JuanitoJons | with debian stable runs ok. |
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| 16:18.34 | heurist | JuanitoJons: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:19.50 | JuanitoJons | heurist: ok, I going to change the channel. |
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| 16:33.09 | jhutchins | !custom cd |
| 16:33.10 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 16:39.04 | Mnemonic | Can anyone help? We need this thread to get some attention. http://www.barco.com/en/mybarco/mysupport/productsupport/product-support-files/knowledgebase?productid=b21eda55-0837-4478-87f6-68d51b71e405&kbid=1191 So that they will get their fingers out of their B*** and release the driver. :) |
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| 16:42.34 | antoniodmora | !simple-cdd |
| 16:42.34 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
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| 16:43.52 | antoniodmora | jhutchins, I think simple-cdd is enought for me, but I cannot make it run correctly, i think |
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| 17:51.36 | cinvoke | hello. Â Does anyone know of a good tool for configuration management history? I've heard of tools like rancid for something like this but I'm not finding much. Â I'm trying to avoid writing something |
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| 18:03.43 | sheap | like prompting the user to interact with it, like the mysql package? |
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| 18:16.43 | jhutchins | sheap: You might try #debian-mentors on oftc.net, or /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 18:17.12 | sheap | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 18:18.03 | richac | how do I disable dhclient on debian? |
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| 18:18.14 | Doxin | I need to run a program when I log in. I'm using xdm as login manager if that matters. |
| 18:18.18 | richac | set static ip address in network manager but its still loading |
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| 18:19.57 | richac | maybe i need to reboot |
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| 18:22.11 | richac | that did it, all i had to do was restart |
| 18:23.12 | brontosaurusrex | Doxin: what wm/de? |
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| 18:23.47 | Doxin | brontosaurusrex: i3 |
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| 18:25.03 | brontosaurusrex | Doxin: ~/.config/i3/config ? |
| 18:25.10 | brontosaurusrex | Doxin: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/i3 |
| 18:25.55 | Doxin | brontosaurusrex: that doesn't answer my question it seems? |
| 18:26.35 | brontosaurusrex | you can add stuff to start there i think |
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| 18:27.06 | Doxin | brontosaurusrex: you can't just add it to the config file afaik |
| 18:28.28 | ScottE | Doxin: you can - see http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#exec |
| 18:28.36 | Doxin | oh |
| 18:28.38 | Doxin | huzzah |
| 18:28.47 | ScottE | That's exactly how I start a bunch of things in my i3 |
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| 18:34.20 | FreezingCold | touch: cannot touch `/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae.new': Read-only file system |
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| 18:36.32 | FreezingCold | Why can't I update my kernel? |
| 18:36.47 | unclezipper | Remount /boot as rw? |
| 18:36.51 | Doxin | FreezingCold: the filesystem is in RO mode for whatever reason |
| 18:37.07 | FreezingCold | unclezipper: Why would it be ro to begin with? |
| 18:37.31 | Doxin | FreezingCold: might be because the disk is damaged, or one of a million other reasons |
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| 18:37.34 | jelly | FreezingCold: filesystem error or your own setting in /etc/fstab |
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| 18:37.45 | FreezingCold | filesystem error is a bit scarier... |
| 18:37.53 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Depends on what you did before, and what you were trying to do. |
| 18:37.53 | FreezingCold | It's a stock setup of Debian, nothing custom IIRC |
| 18:38.04 | jelly | FreezingCold: check /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg command output) for fs errors |
| 18:38.17 | FreezingCold | /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue) |
| 18:38.20 | FreezingCold | huh, it is ro |
| 18:38.31 | jelly | ext2 isn't stock |
| 18:38.33 | RoyK | FreezingCold: check dmesg output |
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| 18:38.48 | FreezingCold | In my fstab, should I remove 'ro' or change it to rw? |
| 18:39.02 | jelly | FreezingCold: that, or remount it rw right now |
| 18:39.07 | RoyK | FreezingCold: which distro version is this? |
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| 18:39.19 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Having it read-only is a security measure. |
| 18:39.20 | knosys | Hello guys, i have a few questions about debian distribution cd image's: 1 - What are the 2 update's DVD images for (debian 7.6 update) // 2 - If i download the FULL content of the 3 DVD distribution, i would be able to install packages without internet connection, from the source of the DVD's? |
| 18:39.26 | FreezingCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.31 | jelly | FreezingCold: did you install it or someone else? |
| 18:39.48 | FreezingCold | jelly: I did. But this is my parents computer, I don't use it every day. |
| 18:39.55 | OliPicard_ | Hi Guys, i am running a Debian box, Ran a PS -AUX and noticed a process called Crypto. Is this a normal/native running process? |
| 18:40.12 | RoyK | FreezingCold: pastebin lsb_release -a |
| 18:40.15 | FreezingCold | jhutchins: actually I remember why I set it to that now. It's because I don't want the kernel to be updating and then have my parents shut the computer off |
| 18:40.17 | unclezipper | FreezingCold: I wouldn't recommend changing it to rw in your fstab, just in case you make a mistake months from now |
| 18:40.29 | jelly | FreezingCold: then just mount -o remount,rw /boot |
| 18:40.37 | FreezingCold | RoyK: Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy) |
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| 18:40.48 | jelly | and continue the upgrade |
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| 18:40.51 | RoyK | FreezingCold: rather strange if boot is ro then - it's rw here |
| 18:40.59 | richac | knosys: you can still install without downloading, and then just add the repos later |
| 18:41.19 | knosys | richac: what if i dont have internet conection on the machine? |
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| 18:41.35 | lns | If I run "top -d 30" (for delay 30sec between updates), does that mean it averages process cpu, mem, etc. between 30 seconds, or just gives the update that it sees at that current time after 30sec (without averaging)? |
| 18:41.39 | knosys | its good idea to download the 3 DVD now and burn them, just in case i need some package? |
| 18:41.47 | richac | knosys: I guess |
| 18:41.49 | RoyK | knosys: no internet connection? |
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| 18:41.58 | FreezingCold | RoyK: Is wheezy still the latest stable release? |
| 18:42.02 | RoyK | knosys: what sort of machine is this? |
| 18:42.03 | richac | knosys: or juts wait till you get internet connection lol |
| 18:42.06 | RoyK | FreezingCold: yes |
| 18:42.15 | jhutchins | richac: Is this going to be a desktop/workstation or a server? |
| 18:42.21 | FreezingCold | RoyK: oh how I love maintaining debian systems :D |
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| 18:42.37 | jhutchins | knosys: Is this going to be a desktop/workstation or a server? |
| 18:42.42 | RoyK | FreezingCold: so do I - they're pretty stable ;) |
| 18:42.44 | FreezingCold | easiest frigging thing ever |
| 18:42.53 | FreezingCold | it's great for a family computer |
| 18:43.00 | knosys | its a regular PC, but it might have to make it work without internet connection too, also with jdk and programs such as emacs and so |
| 18:43.16 | knosys | i was hoping that 3DVD image have a lot of repositories packages, is it like that? |
| 18:43.25 | jhutchins | knosys: I'd just download the first disk then, and carry on until you hit something that's not on it. |
| 18:43.34 | FreezingCold | knosys: tbh offline systems SUCK to maintain |
| 18:43.39 | knosys | ill download all of them xD |
| 18:43.48 | knosys | little CD, but also 3 DVD images |
| 18:43.48 | FreezingCold | I tried maintaining gentoo offline... Oh god. |
| 18:44.01 | jhutchins | knosys: Chances of needing al three are very limited. |
| 18:44.01 | RoyK | wonders why someone is on IRC without internet connection to his home box |
| 18:44.15 | knosys | the thing im asking is: can i use the DVD as repositories to install open source programs ? |
| 18:44.21 | knosys | are the packages there? |
| 18:44.27 | FreezingCold | RoyK: Could be for a family friend? |
| 18:44.34 | lns | knosys, yes |
| 18:44.38 | FreezingCold | RoyK: I've had people ask me about their offline machines. |
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| 18:44.53 | richac | knosys: what programs are you going to use without internet? libreoffice? |
| 18:45.17 | richac | vlc? |
| 18:45.27 | knosys | apache , mysql, jdk, build-essential and stuff like this |
| 18:45.37 | richac | you mean all the stuff you need internet for? |
| 18:45.44 | richac | lol |
| 18:45.48 | knosys | -.- |
| 18:45.53 | knosys | if you are going to publishing something |
| 18:45.58 | knosys | but if you are just going to develop |
| 18:46.03 | knosys | you can do it in local |
| 18:46.06 | knosys | whats wrong? :S |
| 18:46.18 | jhutchins | knosys: Unfortunately there is no good source of information on what's on which image, but we know you usually only need the first one, maybe the second if you're building a server, and the third for more specialized applications and i18n. |
| 18:46.44 | knosys | Okay i will browse them |
| 18:46.48 | knosys | thanks guys |
| 18:47.43 | richac | do they even containt all the development tools? |
| 18:48.03 | knosys | i was wishing that |
| 18:48.07 | knosys | what would it contain then? xD |
| 18:48.09 | knosys | wallpapers? |
| 18:48.42 | RoyK | FreezingCold: for an offline machine, install it online and unplug it |
| 18:48.44 | knosys | its 15GB, i was hoping there was almost all common repository xD |
| 18:48.49 | richac | i dunno man, i'm sure it contains what your asking, but i gimaine you'll need some more stuff |
| 18:48.52 | RoyK | FreezingCold: or install it from a bunch of DVDs |
| 18:48.56 | richac | i could be wrong |
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| 18:50.10 | RoyK | FreezingCold: offline machines won't get updated too much - not that it matters too much, though - most updates are security stuff and the chance of someone breaking into an offline machine is rather minimal |
| 18:50.10 | richac | alos might need updates |
| 18:50.12 | jhutchins | knosys: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 18:50.23 | richac | knosys: gonna be tough with no internet i imagine |
| 18:50.37 | knosys | thanks! |
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| 18:50.52 | knosys | yes richac i was thinking the same |
| 18:50.56 | knosys | but i would be bored anyway |
| 18:50.59 | knosys | without internet so xD |
| 18:51.14 | richac | i see |
| 18:51.20 | knosys | i hope there is x-enviroments there, ill read that FAQ, thanks |
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| 18:51.43 | jhutchins | knosys: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
| 18:51.57 | knosys | wooo |
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| 18:52.42 | knosys | thanks |
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| 18:59.25 | jhambo | Hi all, Hi All, I'm using chromium (Version 37.0.2062.120 Debian 7.6 (281580) (64-bit)). All of a sudden a few weeks ago, password autocomplete stopped working. Going into chrome://sync-internals/ I see a line that says "Passwords - disabled by user". Any ideas how I can get my passwords back? |
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| 19:01.11 | knosys | look this is so nice: http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 19:01.14 | knosys | you can search the package |
| 19:01.33 | knosys | and it tells you if its on the official CD/DVD , and wich one |
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| 19:04.13 | knosys | as i was specting, all DVD cointains every common open source project packages |
| 19:04.17 | knosys | they rocks |
| 19:04.23 | teraflops | heh |
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| 19:08.53 | zPlus | hello everyone! I was trying to compile some code that requires a package which is only available on debian sid repo. So I added debian wheezy sid repo to synaptic, but I think I screwed up something because now I have about 30 packages "broken".... unfortunately I don't know if there is an easy way to fix this problem... I would really appreciate any hint, thanks a lot |
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| 19:14.15 | hjubal | zPlus, you might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 19:14.57 | zPlus | thanks |
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| 19:17.24 | hjubal | zPlus, in short you need to pin packages from different releases the right way ;) |
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| 19:21.39 | r3n1c0n | hi |
| 19:21.55 | teraflops | zPlus: yeah apt pinning or may be if the package is backported just installing from backports ... |
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| 19:43.06 | abrotman | DammitJim: and do you mean a DNS server using a v6 address, or a DNS server to resolve IPv6 addresses? |
| 19:43.20 | DammitJim | /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 |
| 19:43.22 | bezaban | DammitJim: not sure what you are asking. An ipv4 only DNS server can resolve ipv6 records. If you want to add it for your system to use it's as normal in resolv.conf |
| 19:43.27 | DammitJim | but I don't see any reference to ipv6 on there |
| 19:43.35 | DammitJim | IPV6INIT=no |
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| 19:44.08 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Do you want to reverse lookup IPv6 addresses, or set up your own DNS server serving IPv6? |
| 19:44.09 | DammitJim | my original problem is that my windows dns server has records in the logs from a linux machine... AAAA request |
| 19:44.09 | teraflops | DammitJim: ah you mean /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 19:44.49 | abrotman | DammitJim: wrong channel? |
| 19:45.18 | abrotman | DammitJim: perhaps you wanted #centos or #rhel ? |
| 19:45.19 | DammitJim | I just wanted to ensure that the linux machine didn't have some other configuration somewhere else besides /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:45.33 | DammitJim | I have the issue on a debian sid machine as well |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | DammitJim: ask int eh right channel about the right OS .. |
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| 19:45.48 | DammitJim | I think I am getting both of them mixed up |
| 19:45.53 | abrotman | DammitJim: if you're working on CentOS, go to #centos |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | Or ask ##linux if you need general help |
| 19:46.07 | DammitJim | no, one is red hat, the other is debian sid |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | But you seem to be working on the RHEL one |
| 19:46.47 | Dagger | you expect to see AAAA requests from Linux machines, that's normal |
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| 19:46.55 | Dagger | no need to worry about them |
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| 19:47.01 | DammitJim | yeah, that was the first one I started with.. I'll come back later |
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| 19:47.11 | DammitJim | what? Dagger? |
| 19:47.26 | DammitJim | you guys are messing with me now |
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| 19:48.27 | Dagger | when you resolve a hostname, both A and AAAA records are looked up, so if you're looking at logs on your DNS server you'll see those requests |
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| 19:49.51 | Dagger | (Windows avoids doing AAAA lookups if it thinks you haven't got working v6, but Linux doesn't try to do that) |
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| 20:25.37 | LinusTorvaldsII | is ice weasel really FF? |
| 20:25.49 | somiaj | besides for removing the firefox brand. yes |
| 20:25.57 | LinusTorvaldsII | thought so |
| 20:26.10 | somiaj | the only difference is you won't see the word firefox or the firefox png trademarks in the software. |
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| 20:26.18 | LinusTorvaldsII | kind of a bizarre idea but ok |
| 20:26.39 | zinx | somiaj: there are other differences, like it doesn't use firefox's autoupdate service.. |
| 20:26.54 | LinusTorvaldsII | how does it update then? |
| 20:27.02 | zinx | ... apt |
| 20:27.09 | somiaj | oh yea I forgot that many apps do that themselves. Tis silly when you have apt (: |
| 20:27.12 | LinusTorvaldsII | well thats kinda cool |
| 20:27.17 | rww | LinusTorvaldsII: and yes, it's silly. Blame Mozilla. |
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| 20:27.41 | LinusTorvaldsII | im slowly-very slowly getting to like debian |
| 20:27.49 | somiaj | though one of the main reasons they took the brand away from us is no longer the case now that security supports the esr version instead of the frozen version. Times do change. |
| 20:28.26 | zinx | somiaj: firefox logos & trademarks are still not DFSG compliant |
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| 20:28.44 | LinusTorvaldsII | if FF allows ubuntu and others t ocall it FF why is debian not allowed to call it FF? |
| 20:28.57 | zinx | LinusTorvaldsII: Debian could do that if it put it in non-free.... |
| 20:29.20 | LinusTorvaldsII | ff is free right? |
| 20:29.23 | zinx | LinusTorvaldsII: otherwise, as stated, the logos/trademarks aren't DFSG compliant, so Debian can't use them |
| 20:29.47 | zinx | LinusTorvaldsII: there are many definitions of "free" |
| 20:30.14 | LinusTorvaldsII | when i 1st installed it it actually came up as FF now today when i go to my home page it shows it as ice weasle caught me off gueard |
| 20:30.18 | LinusTorvaldsII | guard |
| 20:30.23 | somiaj | LinusTorvaldsII: the DSFG is fairly strick. Though one of the major issues (debian use to call it firefox) is mozilla didn't agree with debian frozen/secuiryt policy and didn't awnt it's brand assoicated with outdated (but secure) software. |
| 20:30.30 | teraflops | there are a bunch of cves actually for firefox as never before, do debian patch iceweasel by themselves, just wondering I really do not know |
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| 20:30.57 | somiaj | teraflops: there is a team that removes all the branding. mozilla.debian.net is a good palce for info on that. |
| 20:31.08 | teraflops | thanks somiaj |
| 20:31.32 | somiaj | teraflops: in general debian matainers all patch debian software to some degree as that is how the policy works. debian source packages provide the original upstream source and any patches that debian may apply for various reasons. |
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| 20:31.48 | maxwell | hello all. my friend has a broadcom4321 wireless card. He's running Linux Mint. It connects to most access points fine, as long as he doesn't have to go through an authentication page... then it refuses connection. |
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| 20:32.00 | maxwell | Any ideas, folks? |
| 20:32.04 | ThKo | Good evening everybody, Iâve got a short maybe stupid question. Only from a theoretical viewpoint: Is there a way to install a virtual machine with Apple OSX Server on an headless debian 7.6 LAMP 64 Bit V-Server? Itâs just a theoretical question because Iâve had a discussion with a buddy. In my opinio itâs not possible. What do you say? Thank you :-) |
| 20:32.46 | LinusTorvaldsII | wow thats one helluva question |
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| 20:33.29 | somiaj | maxwell: after he goes though the authentication page, double check the network settings with ip and iwconfig. If the machine is still assoicated and still given an ip (my guess is it will be) then it is something with the network he is on. |
| 20:33.32 | zinx | ThKo: anything is possible, it's all about how much work you're willing to put in to it. |
| 20:33.45 | ThKo | LinusTorvaldsII: Oh yes ;D |
| 20:33.52 | LinusTorvaldsII | wipes his brow... |
| 20:33.57 | teraflops | i think you can ThKo for example if using vbox on the host launch the machine with vobxheadless or whatever it is named |
| 20:34.14 | maxwell | somiaj: it won't bring him to the authentication page. It times out and does not even redirect. |
| 20:34.35 | somiaj | ThKo: with qmeu-kvm I think it would be possible. Not only can that emulate other arches it sets up a vnc server you can use to connect/view what the vm is doing. |
| 20:35.24 | teraflops | uh somiaj i think there is a spice driver that actually works for osx |
| 20:35.34 | somiaj | maxwell: well as I said, look at the actual network settings. Does the card assoicate with the AP, does he get an dhcp response. |
| 20:35.41 | maxwell | ah sorry |
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| 20:35.51 | ThKo | teraflops, zinx, somiaj : Thanks a lotâ¦I think the only possibility is to test it by myself. |
| 20:35.59 | somiaj | teraflops: yea kvm allows the use of spice to I'm just use to vnc |
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| 20:36.10 | teraflops | yeah ThKo try it and see |
| 20:36.37 | teraflops | somiaj: i wish the vps providers gave the spice option as well |
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| 20:37.38 | somiaj | for what i used it for vnc was fine. I think I tried to spice to stream netflix from a windows vm, but I didn't notice to much of an imporvment over vnc for streaming video. But this was years ago when spice seemed fairly new. |
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| 20:38.29 | teraflops | somiaj: indeed but the vnc keymap nightmares are a pain in the ass |
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| 20:39.24 | maxwell | somiaj: it simply says wlan0... IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:"uowireless" (the access point) and then some other information, should I paste it all? |
| 20:39.32 | maxwell | none of it seems relevant... |
| 20:40.05 | somiaj | maxwell: Look at Access Point: does it have some hex number there or does it say 'Not-Assoicated' |
| 20:40.24 | maxwell | yes. |
| 20:40.37 | maxwell | Oh, sorry... yes, it has some hex in there |
| 20:41.20 | somiaj | this says the wifi is correctly assoicated with the AP. now look at 'ip addr' though I like the output of '/sbin/ifconfig' and see if wlan0 has an ip assoicated with it. |
| 20:41.26 | somiaj | maxwell: ^^ |
| 20:42.27 | maxwell | iwconfig is not showing me an IP, i'll check /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:42.50 | maxwell | ...how do i check it, sorry? |
| 20:42.59 | somiaj | iwconfig doesn't show ip's, it just shows wireless info like if it is assoicated or not, need to use ifconfig or ip (ip is the prefered one these days) |
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| 20:43.08 | maxwell | ahhh, okay. |
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| 20:44.13 | maxwell | somiaj: yes, ifconfig is giving me an ip. |
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| 20:45.17 | somiaj | maxwell: that to me says it assoicates with the ap and gets a ip from dhcp just fine (hopefully the ip seems reasonable). So unsure what could be the issue on the network. |
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| 20:48.49 | maxwell | huh... this is interesting. my laptop (which is running arch) is getting a different IP than the one my friend's laptop is! |
| 20:49.05 | somiaj | how different? Care to share the two ips? |
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| 20:49.26 | maxwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.44 | maxwell | inet addr:10.111.113.96 Bcast:10.111.113.255 |
| 20:49.47 | maxwell | (his) |
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| 20:50.23 | somiaj | well they are both internal ips and start with 10.111.x.x, you could look at the netmask to see if they are considered on the same network or not. |
| 20:50.27 | maxwell | maybe its trying to connect to a different repeater than mine? there are many different repeated signals in this building. |
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| 20:51.03 | maxwell | hrmm, on his the "Mask" is 255.255.254.0 |
| 20:51.06 | somiaj | it could be just how the dhcp server assign's ips, could be due to connected to different AP's. You can check the hex number of the AP to check that. |
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| 20:51.08 | maxwell | but on mine... i'm not finding it. yet. |
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| 20:52.16 | maxwell | so... yes.... it appears we are connected to different access points. |
| 20:52.36 | maxwell | i'd assume there probably is about 4 of the same SSID in this one building. |
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| 20:54.10 | somiaj | that is common with large networks. Everything on the boxes end seems fine so I can't guess what the issue your friends machine is having with the network you are on. |
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| 20:54.53 | somiaj | maybe release the dhcp lease, and reassoicate, and see if that helps. But I'm out of ideas as the info you shared with me didn't show me any obvious issues. |
| 20:55.20 | maxwell | any guess to an irc channel that would be able to help me out more? i'm almost to the point of switching him to a different linux distro and seeing if that helps |
| 20:55.29 | maxwell | (which would be anoying and not productive) |
| 20:55.40 | maxwell | also... its a macbook pro. i forgot to state that. |
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| 20:55.55 | somiaj | maxwell: there is ##networking |
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| 20:56.38 | somiaj | maxwell: I doubt it is an issue with debian, but you could test that by getting a live image from some place that also provides the non-free firmware for that card. |
| 20:57.20 | maxwell | I have set up the non-free firmware for this card... it took a while to get it to work, though. |
| 20:57.28 | maxwell | i wonder if i need to try a different version of the firmware. |
| 20:58.07 | maxwell | but yeah, i figured running something with nonfree firmware might help. I figured running a livecd of manjaro might help because it has an option to run with nonfree firmware. |
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| 20:58.55 | maxwell | however... its not on me, of course. :/ |
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| 21:10.11 | DANtheBEASTman | (i'm ssh'd into a machine that I don't have root access to, and the admins have no deb-src lines) |
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| 21:23.00 | crito | hey guys new to apache and wondered if adding a .htaccess file can cause problems if not enabled in apache.conf? |
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| 21:25.49 | meaneye | crito, by default override is set to none. |
| 21:25.51 | meaneye | So it wont work. |
| 21:26.44 | crito | meaneye, is the file just ignored |
| 21:26.47 | meaneye | yes. |
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| 21:28.04 | crito | cheers |
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| 21:28.34 | meaneye | :) |
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| 21:33.32 | dizzylizzy | i used to think eric raymond maintained the debian iceweasel extended support release repos |
| 21:33.36 | dizzylizzy | because of the esr in the name o_o |
| 21:33.39 | dizzylizzy | I am so stupid |
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| 21:36.04 | ruukasu | when I run apt-mirror, whether on debian or another *nix os, it starts with [20]... [19]... [18]... [17]... [16]... [15]... all the way to [0]. What is it doing? |
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| 21:36.22 | ruukasu | (takes like 10 minutes to print out all the numbers and get to 0) |
| 21:37.32 | meaneye | dizzylizzy, where did you find esr? |
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| 21:42.35 | dizzylizzy | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 21:42.45 | dizzylizzy | the dropdowns |
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| 21:45.41 | roenie | after removing my ATI 3450 and plugging in the GTX 970, wheezy fails to boot |
| 21:45.58 | roenie | hangs indefinitely at "waiting for dev to be fully populated" |
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| 21:47.06 | roenie | what a fail |
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| 21:47.21 | roenie | what can I do about that issue? |
| 21:47.37 | meaneye | dizzylizzy, oh, okay. |
| 21:48.10 | meaneye | roenie, did you have AMD proprietary driver installed? |
| 21:49.24 | roenie | unsure, meaneye |
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| 21:49.37 | roenie | possibly |
| 21:49.58 | roenie | I'm pretty sure I didn't bother with that for the 3450 |
| 21:50.08 | roenie | but before the 3450, this rig had a 4870X2 |
| 21:50.12 | roenie | that is, until it blew up |
| 21:50.55 | meaneye | Hm, not sure if AMD leaves stuff behind. |
| 21:51.12 | meaneye | Can you at least get to shell? |
| 21:51.50 | roenie | nope |
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| 21:53.25 | meaneye | So when you hold Shift before Grub pops up, and select recovery from there, same thing happens? |
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| 21:54.12 | roenie | ah, haven't tried that |
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| 21:55.00 | roenie | I am about to reboot because of the nvidia driver installation on win7 (which I currently booted into) - assuming I can get to said console, what should be my action? |
| 21:55.01 | richac | how do I search what repo has pulseaudio-equalizer |
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| 21:55.44 | wols | !tell richac about search |
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| 21:56.15 | wols | roenie: you check if stuff from the fglrx drivers is present. since we don't know how you installed it we cannot tell how to look for and remove it |
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| 21:56.27 | s7r | the openvpn version included in debian repo iis so old... |
| 21:56.34 | richac | wols: i want to know what repo has pulseaudio-equalizer |
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| 21:57.01 | petn-randall | !tell s7r -about stable |
| 21:57.09 | wols | richac: and the factoid dpkg sent you tells you how to do that |
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| 21:57.50 | wols | richac: <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot) <- these all do it |
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| 21:58.02 | s7r | petn-randall: that doesn't make any sense |
| 21:58.03 | roenie | wols, I see |
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| 21:58.05 | s7r | i mean for a secure server |
| 21:58.20 | richac | wols: it doesn't tell me the repo address |
| 21:58.30 | petn-randall | s7r: How so? Please elaborate. |
| 21:58.31 | richac | you gave me tools to search for what only is available in repos i'm using |
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| 21:58.56 | wols | richac: we only have the debian repos. these commands look in those repos. either it's in there or it doesn't exist in debian |
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| 21:59.35 | s7r | petn-randall: latest version 2.3.4 is better than version in debian 2.2.1 |
| 21:59.37 | richac | wols: it might exist in a sid or testing repo, or whatever repo i'm not familiar. I guess the fact is you don't know... tks anyways |
| 21:59.38 | petn-randall | s7r: How is "just fixing security bugs" less safer than "always upgrade to the newest version"? |
| 21:59.47 | petn-randall | !tell s7r -about sns |
| 22:00.33 | heurist | dpkg: tell s7r -about version chasing |
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| 22:01.24 | wols | richac: installing random stuff from some website is the fastest way to kill your debian installation, which is why we don't support that or help people doing it |
| 22:02.03 | s7r | ah ok |
| 22:02.12 | s7r | petn-randall: i didn't know the security issues are fixed |
| 22:02.18 | s7r | it is clear now |
| 22:02.24 | richac | wols: do you know how I can install a system wide equalizer? |
| 22:02.49 | petn-randall | s7r: Ah, that explains it. Glad we could clear that up. |
| 22:02.52 | wols | no |
| 22:03.04 | richac | I might have to install mint lol |
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| 22:03.37 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 22:03.38 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 22:04.12 | richac | i mean i had to remove all the mysql and akonadi stuff on debian too so whats the diff, might as well go with what has more packages for a home desktop |
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| 22:04.32 | richac | i just hope compiling a kernel on mint is the same |
| 22:04.59 | richac | wols: i wasn't asking you about 3rd party repos obviously, weird how you would think that |
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| 22:05.19 | richac | wols: what would be the point of me asking anything if that was the case |
| 22:05.52 | richac | !repo |
| 22:05.52 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 22:07.25 | petn-randall | ,v pulseaudio-equalizer |
| 22:07.26 | judd | No package named 'pulseaudio-equalizer' was found in i386. |
| 22:07.37 | petn-randall | richac: ^^^ this package doesn't exist in Debian, sorry. |
| 22:07.59 | richac | petn-randall: dam i just remembered it didn't exist in mint either, until i added an ubuntu repo |
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| 22:08.47 | richac | mint was a little slow on security updates too, like all the bash updates I was getting form ubuntu |
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| 22:09.15 | petn-randall | richac: That's a good way to break your system, adding repos that are meant for different distros. I don't recommend doing that. |
| 22:09.29 | richac | mint is compatible with ubuntu repos |
| 22:09.34 | wols | richac: cause the stuff I gave you searches all available debian repos, yet you thought it wasn't enough. there is only 3rd party repos lef |
| 22:09.36 | richac | petn-randall: but tks for your concern |
| 22:09.37 | wols | *left |
| 22:09.58 | richac | wols: what you gave me searches my own files and repos i have in sources.list |
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| 22:10.32 | wols | richac: no I did not. the part I pasted again in the channel, all searches all online debian repos |
| 22:10.42 | richac | apt-cache? apt-file? |
| 22:10.51 | richac | apt-file? doesn't tell me about repo |
| 22:10.52 | wols | apt-file, pdo and judd |
| 22:10.58 | richac | wols: sorry no... |
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| 22:11.35 | wols | apt-file depends on your sources.list, pdo and judd both look at every debian branch and all its repos |
| 22:12.17 | richac | wols: is that a command for the bot? |
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| 22:12.35 | wols | judd is itself a bot here, /msg dpkg pdo is a command for dpkg, yes |
| 22:12.43 | wols | pdo = packages.debian.org |
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| 22:14.25 | richac | wols: I can't figure it out |
| 22:15.02 | richac | i'll just stick to apt-cache and assume theres no packages available |
| 22:15.17 | richac | apt-cache search equalizer, doesn't show anything i'm familiar with |
| 22:15.41 | richac | i was hoping to get a list of debian repos like, sid, testing, and w/e else |
| 22:15.58 | richac | but I think petn alreayd cleared it up |
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| 22:16.25 | richac | i'm probably missing a whole bunch of repos i need |
| 22:16.39 | richac | when ot installing from all cds... or netinstalling it doesn't even put the main repo in |
| 22:16.46 | richac | who knows what else i'm missing |
| 22:16.56 | petn-randall | Err, what? Of course it does. |
| 22:17.04 | anticw | chromium on jessie is h0rked right now ... what's the simplest way to get the previous version? |
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| 22:17.06 | somiaj | richac: you most likely shouldn't have wheezy, jessie and sid in your sources.list. Are you wanting a tool that can search though them all like judd to get various versions in the different realses? |
| 22:17.06 | richac | petn-randall: it only puts the security repo |
| 22:17.08 | richac | nothing else |
| 22:17.26 | richac | i had to add the main one myself |
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| 22:17.31 | somiaj | anticw: you can use snapshot.debian.org -- though might want to back up any chromium config files as chormium doens't like it when you downgrade. |
| 22:17.55 | petn-randall | richac: I'm 100% sure you're wrong, I've done 3 installation in the last 3 months, I would have noticed that. |
| 22:18.05 | richac | did you opt out of downloading any files? |
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| 22:18.12 | ponyofdeath | hi, trying to get bonding to work and am getting waiting for network configuration during startup. here i my network setup. any ideas? https://bpaste.net/show/1ed5ad94d3bf |
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| 22:18.17 | anticw | somiaj: thanks, usually that's a fail with chromium but i did that already trying to get it up |
| 22:18.19 | richac | i installed KDE ISO< this time i opted out of downloading files |
| 22:18.19 | petn-randall | richac: It could be though that you selected "Don't use a mirror" when debconf asked for that. |
| 22:18.22 | somiaj | it depends on if your interent connenction is available when you install or not. It won't' add an internet mirror if you don't have an connection (say due to missing firmware) |
| 22:18.28 | anticw | any idea if someone filed a bug yet? |
| 22:18.30 | richac | petn-randall: exactly |
| 22:18.46 | somiaj | anticw: no clue, but as I said, you can get older packages at snapshot.debian.org to use while you wait |
| 22:19.42 | petn-randall | richac: The important details here is that it's not the *default*, you have to explicitely change that. |
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| 22:20.10 | richac | petn-randall: i'm just wondering are there any other repos I should have? |
| 22:20.31 | petn-randall | !tell richac -about sources.list |
| 22:20.33 | richac | i just have the security and main repo |
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| 22:20.55 | richac | petn-randall: finally ty |
| 22:21.10 | somiaj | richac: that is all you need. adding contrib and non-free is optional if you want contrib or non-free software |
| 22:21.19 | richac | somiaj: tks |
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| 22:23.58 | anticw | somiaj: spanshots should be fine for jessie? |
| 22:24.08 | anticw | s/shots/shot/ |
| 22:24.21 | ahop | Hello! I just installed a Debian 7 server, I installed apache2 and php5... apache root is /var/www ........ My problem : PHP cannot write a file (probably a permission problem?) |
| 22:24.32 | ahop | Do I have to give some permission to someone for /var/www ? |
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| 22:25.00 | somiaj | anticw: yes |
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| 22:25.33 | meaneye | ahop, in what sense? Who is "someone"? |
| 22:25.44 | somiaj | ahop: yes by default apache and thus php is got given permissions to write to files. You'll have to change the permissions of only the directories/files you want this behavior (don't change it for everything as that is bad bad juju) |
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| 22:28.40 | ahop | somiaj: if I want that PHP can write in /var/www/files, what should I do ? |
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| 22:29.22 | ahop | files/ is owned by root (user), root (group), and permission is already 0755 |
| 22:29.26 | ahop | isn't it correct ? |
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| 22:30.01 | somiaj | ahop: different admins will set it up differently. but chmod 1777 /var/www/files will do the trick (I belive that also sets up the sticky bit) |
| 22:30.29 | somiaj | ahop: you could also do 1775 and then make sure the group www-data owns the directory so it can write in there. The first is the easiest but it does give the whole world write access. |
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| 22:30.47 | meaneye | Am not entirely sure that write for all is a smart thing to do. |
| 22:30.58 | somiaj | (hmm, I forget does php get run as apache www-data group or would it have to be another group) |
| 22:30.58 | meaneye | Setting group to www-data I'd say is better approach. |
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| 22:31.16 | somiaj | meaneye: yea that is the better approach. lots of drupal like sights suggest the 1777 as an option too. |
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| 22:32.18 | ahop | meaneye: what command should I do : chown files/ www-data ? or something elses ? |
| 22:32.42 | meaneye | ahop, chgrp is shorter. |
| 22:32.52 | meaneye | Or you can do chown root:www-data |
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| 22:33.26 | meaneye | ahop, are you setting up for deployment or development? |
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| 22:35.20 | ahop | meaneye: I tried but still doesn't work... Strange : no PHP error... |
| 22:35.48 | meaneye | ahop, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:35.50 | ahop | I have put a test.php file with <?php $file = fopen('files/bonjour', 'w'); fclose($file); ?> |
| 22:36.02 | ahop | meaneye: just to test if PHP can write a file |
| 22:36.07 | meaneye | Oooh. |
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| 22:36.22 | ahop | meaneye: is there something wrong ? |
| 22:36.26 | ahop | I even have no PHP error |
| 22:36.46 | somiaj | ahop: the 1777 chmod would work, what user is running that php script is important when setting up group permissions |
| 22:36.50 | meaneye | But PHP file is being executed? |
| 22:37.04 | ahop | meaneye: yes because phpinfo(); works |
| 22:38.16 | meaneye | ahop, did you check /var/log/apache2/error.log for errors? |
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| 22:41.38 | ahop | meaneye: fopen(files/bonjour): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/test.php on line 2 |
| 22:41.53 | meaneye | So can you do ls -l /var/www/files |
| 22:41.55 | somiaj | ahop: chmod 1777 /var/www/files -- does it work now? |
| 22:42.04 | somiaj | meaneye: might need a d in there, ls -ld |
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| 22:42.18 | heurist | ahop: /var/www/test.php is not /var/www/files/test.php |
| 22:42.42 | heurist | ahop: mevermind me |
| 22:42.44 | meaneye | :D |
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| 22:42.57 | ahop | heurist yes the file is /var/www/test.php, and it want to write in /var/www/files/bonjour |
| 22:43.02 | ahop | where is the problem heurist ? |
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| 22:43.17 | meaneye | ahop, it's permissions just do ls -ld /var/www/files |
| 22:43.22 | meaneye | And give us the output |
| 22:43.24 | heurist | ahop: my problem, I did not read properly |
| 22:43.49 | ahop | drwxr-xr-x 2 root www-data 4096 Oct 14 00:27 /var/www/files/ |
| 22:44.09 | meaneye | ahop, you need chmod g+w /var/www/files |
| 22:44.16 | meaneye | Group needs to be able to write. |
| 22:44.22 | ahop | ohh yes |
| 22:44.28 | ahop | so 0755 is not enough? |
| 22:44.51 | meaneye | Well... rwx for user, rx for group and rx for others. |
| 22:44.58 | meaneye | So :) you need 0775 |
| 22:45.13 | meaneye | But you don't have to remember numbers, you can use letters, they are easier. |
| 22:46.24 | ahop | meaneye: you said group needs to be able to write |
| 22:46.26 | ahop | so |
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| 22:46.35 | ahop | rwx for user, rx for group and rx for others. is not corret |
| 22:46.38 | meaneye | chmod g+w /var/www/files |
| 22:46.40 | ahop | do you mean : rwx for user, rwx for group and rx for others. |
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| 22:47.05 | ahop | meaneye: yes it worked :) thanks.... but just to understand : did you mean rWx for group ? |
| 22:47.10 | meaneye | Yes. That's what I meant. I was just translating 0755 for you. |
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| 22:47.22 | somiaj | ahop: are you running this php script via apache or just as your user with php-cgi? |
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| 22:47.37 | ahop | somiaj: via apache |
| 22:48.04 | ahop | meaneye: that's 0775, and not 755 then ;) |
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| 22:48.24 | meaneye | Yes, the right one is 0775, while 0755 allows only user to write. |
| 22:48.35 | ahop | meaneye, ok cool! solved! |
| 22:48.42 | meaneye | :) Have fun! |
| 22:48.49 | ahop | now I would need to restore /var/www/ to the original chown / chmod |
| 22:48.53 | ahop | what do you think it was ? |
| 22:48.59 | ahop | I did 1777 for testing |
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| 22:49.18 | meaneye | 0755 root:root |
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| 22:50.42 | ahop | thanks :) |
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| 22:52.07 | meaneye | You are welcome. |
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| 22:52.28 | ahop | A last thing (before going to bed ;) ) : .htaccess doesn't seem to work (mod_rewrite) |
| 22:52.31 | meaneye | Nice trick, if you are using this for development, is to symlink directory to something in your home directory for easier access. |
| 22:52.50 | reavengrey | Hey, I'm sure other people have probably come by asking about getting a libc with symbols versioned at >= 2.15 |
| 22:52.55 | meaneye | ahop, in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default there's AllowOverride for /var/www set to None |
| 22:53.03 | reavengrey | By now, I'm probably not the only one coming with this kind of question, I'm sure |
| 22:53.23 | ahop | meaneye: what do you mean with 000-default ? AllowOverride ? |
| 22:53.25 | somiaj | reavengrey: take a step back. What are you doing to get this issue? What version of debian are you missing? |
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| 22:53.46 | reavengrey | somiaj: I'm on debian stable, last upgraded about a week ago |
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| 22:54.00 | meaneye | ahop, 000-default is the file name... there's a <Directory /var/www> with setting AllowOverride None. That None needs to change to all. |
| 22:54.06 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 22:54.09 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u5; jessie: 2.19-11; sid: 2.19-11 |
| 22:54.15 | reavengrey | Specifically, (1) Steam (2) pepperflash-player (3) PacketTracer6 |
| 22:54.45 | reavengrey | These 3 packages I use have needed GLibC with versions of some symbols being greater than 2.15 |
| 22:54.50 | reavengrey | Well, >=, not greater |
| 22:54.53 | somiaj | reavengrey: you won't be able to get libc6 greater than 2.13 on debian stable as it is a very core libary and strongly suggested you stay with 2.13 |
| 22:55.22 | reavengrey | Right, what options do I have? I've solved so far these problems using a variety of case-specific solutions |
| 22:55.28 | somiaj | reavengrey: steam will most likley not work on wheezy due to the fact valve won't support it. pepperflash can be installed via a contrib package in wheezy-backports. Is the newer version failing to install, it use to work just fine? |
| 22:55.32 | centrx | reavengrey, Using jessie/testing is the best option for Steam |
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| 22:55.51 | reavengrey | centrx: If it helps, there is a "steam-debian" package floating about the net that is community maintained |
| 22:56.09 | reavengrey | It basically packages a glibc-2.15 with itself, that's how I have steam on stable atm |
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| 22:56.28 | somiaj | reavengrey: yea jessie will work, it will freeze here in less than a month anyways so it will become less sparatic. But on wheezy it is best to stick with the glibc it comes with. |
| 22:56.30 | centrx | reavengrey, if you're satisfied with that for steam, you might be able to find alternate versions of the other things for use on stable |
| 22:56.42 | reavengrey | centrx: right |
| 22:56.46 | centrx | reavengrey, e.g. pepperflashplugin-nonfree is in wheezy-backports |
| 22:57.18 | reavengrey | centrx: it, oddly enough, depends on 2.15+, and it actually doesn't work out of the box; |
| 22:57.29 | reavengrey | There's a community maintained bspatch patch |
| 22:57.44 | reavengrey | That literally will change the required version down to stable Glibc |
| 22:58.01 | reavengrey | And that's the current hack that I saw in the community as the solution |
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| 22:58.17 | reavengrey | I guess I could do the same and binary patch this new package that I need |
| 22:58.47 | reavengrey | Or maybe some kind of foolery with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 22:58.57 | reavengrey | and my own copy of 2.15...? |
| 22:59.18 | ahop | meaneye : waw your trick worked for AllowOverride All |
| 22:59.34 | ahop | Why aren't these things done *by default* on a new Apache install ? |
| 22:59.43 | meaneye | ahop, security reasons. |
| 22:59.50 | ahop | the same for the /var/www permissions : why aren't these thigns set by default? |
| 22:59.55 | sirEgghead | I have a debian7 server that is connected to an iscsi lun. I have edited the iscsi.conf file to reconnect automatically (node.startup = automatic), but when I reboot the server, it is not reconnected. 'iscsiadm -m session' shows it active, but the disk isn't there. I have to log out and log back in for the disk to show up. http://pastie.org/9645761 shows my node configuration |
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| 23:00.08 | ahop | meaneye: what security hole could appear with this? |
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| 23:00.18 | heurist | ahop: they are set by default, they set to least privilege. |
| 23:00.41 | meaneye | ahop, which one in particular? permissions or override? It's not an issue, but they, as heurist said, default to most secure. |
| 23:00.48 | richac | man you don't realize how much more secure the noveau drivers are until you try to install nvidia drivers with grsecurity running |
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| 23:00.59 | ahop | heurist / meaneye : ok |
| 23:01.19 | ahop | may I ask a last one? |
| 23:01.34 | meaneye | Shoot. :D |
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| 23:02.57 | ahop | Imagine I have a HTML page +PHP that allows users to upload files (with AJAX) |
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| 23:03.16 | ahop | What are the first 2 TOP things to do to prevent spambot to upload massive data ? :) |
| 23:03.31 | ahop | track by IP ? |
| 23:03.34 | meaneye | No. |
| 23:03.39 | meaneye | What kind of files for upload/ |
| 23:03.46 | ahop | if (many files in 1 minute with same IP) => ban |
| 23:03.57 | themill | #web might be a better place to ask |
| 23:04.16 | meaneye | ahop, feel free to start a private chat and I'll explain. |
| 23:04.25 | ahop | meaneye: how to do that ? |
| 23:04.28 | ahop | (private chat) |
| 23:04.33 | ahop | oh I remember ;) sorry |
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| 23:06.36 | sirEgghead | I have a debian7 server that is connected to an iscsi lun. I have edited the iscsi.conf file to reconnect automatically (node.startup = automatic), but when I reboot the server, it is not reconnected. 'iscsiadm -m session' shows it active, but the disk isn't there. I have to log out and log back in (iscsiadm -u and -l) for the disk to show up. http://pastie.org/9645761 shows my node configuration |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | is it trying to mount before network is active? |
| 23:07.44 | sirEgghead | abrotman, possibly so. Even aside from the mount though, the disk isn't there. I would like to address the mounting order as well, but after having the LUN connected. :) |
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| 23:08.57 | sirEgghead | I have my fstab searching for the UUID, so once the LUN connects (as long as it is before fstab is loaded), it should mount. But after the server is fully booted, an ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ doesn't show that UUID |
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| 23:09.30 | sirEgghead | Even though 'iscsiadm -m session' says it is connected. |
| 23:09.51 | sirEgghead | I wind up running an iscsiadm -u and iscsiadm -l and then a mount -a will mount it |
| 23:10.14 | sirEgghead | Obviously before the mount -a, an ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ shows the disk |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | sirEgghead: there's an option to fstab, uhm, _netdev .. might that help? |
| 23:11.02 | sirEgghead | abrotman, definitely worth a shot |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | man fstab to learn more |
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| 23:11.20 | abrotman | erm, man mount |
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| 23:13.42 | sirEgghead | abrotman, looked it up. I just added it to my fstab and am rebooting now. Will let you know the results. |
| 23:13.51 | OldParr | how can i connect an hp50g with a linux box using xmodem ? |
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| 23:14.18 | OldParr | i mean a debian box!! |
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| 23:22.06 | sirEgghead | abrotman, that seemed to take care of it. I still don't understand how that fixed it since my LUN wasn't connecting before. Seems like a different issue. lol. I also saw some iscsi issues this time while it was booting. It said that a nonretryable error occurred. I thought for sure the LUN wasn't going to connect, but it's all there as should be. Very strange. :) |
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| 23:24.10 | sirEgghead | abrotman, thanks again! Have a good one! |
| 23:24.22 | abrotman | sirEgghead: Good luck |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | makes a mental note for a future iSCSI project |
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| 23:52.16 | Wulf | Hi |
| 23:52.25 | reavengrey | Yo |
| 23:52.37 | Wulf | I need to package a couple of php5 modules. Is there any official guide on this? |
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