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| 00:02.33 | tharkun | jelly-home: Thanks figured it out. I feel so ... |
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| 00:09.32 | themill | tharkun: the rgba syntax it wants is 16 hex digits which is the equivalent to 64 bits of information. It's only going to use 32 of them later so it's being silly somewhere... |
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| 00:13.31 | tharkun | That explains the trailing 00 on every value |
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| 00:21.16 | rryoumaa | for just removing parts of videos, what package is good? i found melt openshot kdenlive flowblade pitivi as candidates |
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| 00:21.51 | kingsley__ | Minimalists rejoice! A story about being thrown out of three universities, replicating the core function of Notepad in eight lines of code, and a 62Kb operating system is at http://archive.vector.org.uk/art10501320 |
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| 00:22.57 | themill | rryoumaa: If it's just clipping a few secs off then I seem to recall that avconv and mencoder can do that. Otherwise I use kdenlive |
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| 00:31.18 | rryoumaa | avconv will show you the video and you can say ok clip from here to here? |
| 00:32.44 | themill | rryoumaa: no, you can specify a certain time range on the command line. If you want a graphical interface for the task, it's not the right tool. |
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| 00:48.52 | rosn0 | I'm not able to get wifi to work on my hp 15. lspci returns: |
| 00:48.53 | rosn0 | 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8179 (rev 01) |
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| 00:51.10 | Dreamix | rosn0: it's your local lan pal :) |
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| 00:51.57 | Dreamix | i think you might need a non-free driver |
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| 00:55.04 | Dreamix | rosn0: go to https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 (using LAN) and follow the guide |
| 00:55.13 | unclezipper | Firmware, possibly |
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| 00:56.47 | Dreamix | probably* |
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| 00:57.06 | kockah | hi all |
| 00:57.08 | Dreamix | or Atheros... have to ensure that |
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| 00:58.11 | Dreamix | let be hi |
| 00:58.13 | Resilience | I would like to know if the gdesklets and screenlets are active proyects... or not |
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| 01:01.26 | rryoumaa | themill: thanks. well, i tried them all. none worked for me ootb at first attempt. :/ |
| 01:02.21 | themill | rryoumaa: kdenlive does, but video editing is something that requires some effort to learn |
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| 01:05.17 | rryoumaa | thought i'd be able to do the "open video, press play/cut/ff/rew, save video" thign |
| 01:05.46 | rryoumaa | but instead they have "projects" and limitations on hardware and stuff. so a bit of a chore i guess. |
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| 01:06.44 | themill | rryoumaa: welcome to video editing. Yes, you need to add it as a clip, create a selection in the clip and then put that selection into the output channel |
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| 01:07.40 | rryoumaa | i ahven't even gotten as far as getting videos to add to project yet :). looks like htere is a blender also. will try that. |
| 01:07.58 | afsal | i've a doubt, the most packages I'm see in debian is from gnome (from gdm3,etc). Then what are the core native packages of debian. |
| 01:08.21 | rryoumaa | (kdenlive asked me before i could even run it what resolution and frame rate i preferred. i had no idea. that might be why.) |
| 01:08.44 | themill | rryoumaa: yeah, it's for creating a new project not just trimming down an old one. |
| 01:10.09 | themill | afsal: debian is a distribution. It integrates the work of others and tries to make a coherent whole. There's very little code developed within debian that an end user would see -- most of the code developed within debian is for managing packages and QA/infastructure activities |
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| 01:16.23 | afsal | themill: i want customize debian for our college. How can I do that? |
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| 01:17.06 | themill | afsal: customise in what way? |
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| 01:19.31 | decavia | If I switch distros to debian, does debian have any prospects of having fully running system with no installed bash? |
| 01:19.44 | afsal | themill: I want create a installation cd. And also the distro includes the packages required only for our studies. And a new wallpaper, removing native debian logo with our college logo,... |
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| 01:21.46 | dondelelcaro | decavia: no. |
| 01:21.52 | decavia | darn |
| 01:21.52 | dondelelcaro | decavia: we have a lot of scripts which depend on bash |
| 01:22.08 | dondelelcaro | decavia: however, you don't have to run bash as a system shell, and you don't have to use it as a user shell either. |
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| 01:22.37 | themill | afsal: so for things like wallpapers you can make a custom package that installs the necessary files and config. For installing the packages you want, creating your own dependency package that draws in these other ones can be easiest (or use a config management tool like puppet or similar). |
| 01:22.41 | themill | dpkg: tell afsal about cdd |
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| 01:28.03 | rryoumaa | well, i tried kdenlive etc. again. they all crashed, did nothing upon mouse click, failed to import, hung and were unkillable, could not work without certain hardware, or similar. i don't need to edit videos that much i guess. :) thanks for your comments |
| 01:28.27 | rryoumaa | (as for kdenlive it crashed upon trying to import a .mp4) |
| 01:29.06 | rryoumaa | openlive almost worked! :) but the controls did not work. |
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| 02:13.35 | linuxguy | Hi, I need some advice here, I am considering opening a linux only shop, whereby I charge a small fee to back up data, and install linux on a customers pc, this is particulary for people with oldish pcs or have out of date windows operatimg systems, one of the distros I was looking at is debian, do I need any special licence or anything at all? |
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| 02:15.01 | heurist | linuxguy: you do not need any licensing to do what you propose. |
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| 02:15.48 | linuxguy | heurist ok thanks, just a question, do you think its a good idea? |
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| 02:16.38 | heurist | linuxguy: I think it is a *nice* idea. I am not sure how feasible it is. making money out of that may be hard. |
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| 02:18.32 | linuxguy | I look at it this way, MS products (some are) coming to their life span end, win 8 s just aweful, ive just joined support for win 10 and its an improvement...BUT i look at this, linux is almost virus free, 90% of apps are free, its almost unbreakable, and theres literally 24/7 support from the irc channels |
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| 02:19.14 | Penix | it's most definitely breakable, and "regular" people are not going to get the help they need from irc (if they even know it exists) |
| 02:19.33 | Penix | slapping linux on random people's computers will lead to having quite a bad time |
| 02:19.40 | Penix | for you that is |
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| 02:20.58 | heurist | linuxguy: you will need to provide support and training. you can make money doing that, but you need to find the customers first. |
| 02:21.08 | linuxguy | Penix.no I will be avialable..i will show various distros platforms, they use it in the shop, i get live cds for them and then its up to them to decide what they are comfortable with |
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| 02:22.02 | linuxguy | heurist, i know i reckon i can find customers, im pretty good at marketing |
| 02:22.06 | Penix | linuxguy: to get back to a debian-specific topic, yes, you can use debian for what you're proposing if you absolutely must. but, if you're note even sure of the basic licensing and "philosophies" of free/open software, maybe you should start there before going any further |
| 02:22.47 | heurist | linuxguy: I would avoid giving too much choice. find a distro you are happy supporting long-term and offer them that. if that know about something else and want it you can give them the other distro, but supporting it gets harder the more combinations you have. |
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| 02:23.30 | linuxguy | Penix, i know what you mean.but ive been using linx for 8yrs now, done some distro hopping and always returned to debian based distros..I intend to show case just 7 distros |
| 02:23.58 | linuxguy | heurist, yes exactly.buold a small customer base :) |
| 02:24.28 | Penix | don't mean to sound like an "elitist" wanker, but after eight years I would have though most people would understand basic open source licenses |
| 02:24.42 | Penix | linuxguy: anyway. if you really want to support linux in a business role, get a sysadmin job or something |
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| 02:25.00 | heurist | linuxguy: wait for jessie to go stable, now is an awkward time to be selling debian installs. (: |
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| 02:26.34 | linuxguy | Penix, i know about FSS and all that....I just want to show people that there is an alternative out there.if hey like it, Ill install it, set it up and support as much as possible, anything maybe irc or the forums will help out |
| 02:28.05 | linuxguy | heurist, jessie is debian testing..Ive had issues in the past so now have debian 7.6 something dual booting with win 7 |
| 02:28.57 | heurist | linuxguy: jessie will be the next stable. do not use it yet. but in a few months wheezy will be oldstable and people will be wanting upgrades and ... |
| 02:30.14 | linuxguy | yes thats true.maybe i can just showcase jessie, and show them a stable version to |
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| 02:31.37 | heurist | linuxguy: leave jessie out of it till it goes stable. beginning of next year probably. |
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| 02:32.50 | linuxguy | well thanks for your help you guys.at least I now know, that if something comes of my idea (ive been offered finance for it)...if it does go ahead I wont get the debian mafia knocking at the shop door ...lol |
| 02:33.15 | linuxguy | i gotta go get some shut eye : |
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| 03:34.43 | sophiejjj | after reading the `man edit`, I am still a bit confused about its right usage. |
| 03:34.52 | sophiejjj | what's `edit` eactly for? |
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| 03:35.45 | dondelelcaro | sophiejjj: it spawns a program which can edit the given file |
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| 03:36.13 | dvs | ??? I thought that was editor? |
| 03:36.25 | sophiejjj | dondelelcaro: print is aliased to `edit`. |
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| 03:37.18 | heurist | spacebison: it tries to be clever and gives you the "right" program for the type of file you ran it on. |
| 03:37.56 | heurist | sophiejjj: it tries to be clever and gives you the "right" program for the type of file you ran it on. |
| 03:38.08 | heurist | spacebison: sorry, go back to sleep. |
| 03:38.15 | sophiejjj | heurist: good sleep. :) |
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| 03:40.30 | dondelelcaro | sophiejjj: yes, it's also aliased to run-mailcap |
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| 03:55.53 | dn4 | so Iceweasel in Debian 14.01 doesn't have javascript at all? how do I get it? |
| 03:57.08 | sc_ | lol |
| 03:57.58 | dn4 | also my debian version is 7.7 |
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| 03:58.51 | hzy | Hi,anyone kown how to change gnupg trust level in pgp remote server? |
| 03:59.07 | dn4 | also I tried installing chromium and it gives this error when trying to open it |
| 03:59.23 | dn4 | [4231:4231:1018/225957:ERROR:nss_util.cc(856)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 |
| 03:59.36 | dn4 | # Fatal error in v8/src/ia32/assembler-ia32.cc, line 53 |
| 03:59.36 | dn4 | # CHECK(cpu.has_sse2()) failed |
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| 03:59.45 | dn4 | I cannot find the NSS error cod for -8018 |
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| 04:32.02 | sadtaco | How do I delete all the files in /tmp? rm -r /tmp/* isn't doing anything. |
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| 04:50.55 | sadtaco | What should I do abuot the size of /tmp? "overflow 1.0M 1.0M 0 100% /tmp". It's only 1mb. Should I simply increase the partition size, or is there something else I should be weary of? |
| 04:51.11 | Penix | partition? |
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| 04:51.58 | Penix | dpkg: tell sadtaco about tmpfs |
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| 04:53.35 | sadtaco | Hm. /etc/default/tmpfs is empty. |
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| 04:58.52 | heurist | sadtaco: are you running out of space on / ? that "overflow" suggests it is the emergency tmpfs that the system makes when you run low on space. or when you did at one point. |
| 04:59.17 | sadtaco | No. I have 10gb free in total, but I'm getting an error that disk is full when writing to /tmp |
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| 04:59.52 | sadtaco | I have "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab already. |
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| 05:00.19 | heurist | sadtaco: "in total" meaning what? /dev/shm is not /tmp |
| 05:00.56 | sadtaco | I'm getting "PHP Warning: Unknown: write failed: No space left on device (28) in Unknown on line 0" "PHP Warning: Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0". Here is df -h http://pastebin.com/Tqa3aV9y |
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| 05:03.43 | heurist | sadtaco: if you reboot does the /tmp come back as tmpfs? google "overflow tmpfs" |
| 05:04.12 | sadtaco | I'd hate to reboot right now. |
| 05:05.27 | heurist | sadtaco: try mount -o remount,size=1G /tmp set the 1G to whatever size you want. |
| 05:05.56 | sadtaco | also the inodes output: overflow 222315 11601 210714 6% /tmp |
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| 05:06.53 | sadtaco | I found the problem |
| 05:06.54 | sadtaco | "As a protection against low disc space, some daemons automatically "shadows" the current /tmp/ dir with a ram disc if the the root partition runs out of disc space. Sadly there's no automatic reversion of that process once enough disc space is free again." |
| 05:07.56 | sadtaco | But I'm not seeing how to reverse it. Someone says unmount /tmp and run "echo 'MINTMPKB=0' > /etc/default/mountoverflowtmp" but... I'm not sure that sounds ideal. |
| 05:09.21 | ruukasu | the only interface I see is "lo", but I have an ethernet connection that was working fine under bsd 5 minutes ago |
| 05:09.25 | ruukasu | any way to fix that? |
| 05:09.57 | heurist | sadtaco: not running out of space on your disk would be ideal. unmounting /tmp can be tricky, lots of things use it, so it will be busy. hence the suggestion to reboot or try making it bigger until you can reboot. if you can get it to unmount then do that. |
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| 05:11.10 | sadtaco | Yeah, indeed. I had a log file going out of control on something I need to fix. Is that command you said permanent, or will it change back to normal after reboot? |
| 05:11.59 | heurist | sadtaco: the remount command will only affect you till you reboot, after a reboot you should have no overflow tmpfs |
| 05:12.20 | sadtaco | Alright. Thanks. |
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| 05:35.22 | lesta | wheezy on a old laptop, after the last update the system hangs for few minutes at the startup...drm: registered panic notifier than start like usual |
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| 06:18.51 | Resilience | I have and /etc/apt/sources.list (http://pastebin.com/mtNLXrCz) which gets theh packages from testing, and according to http://debian-handbook.info/ if I put this http://pastebin.com/gbdk0maf() my machine will run testing AND get the ones not in testing from stable, right? |
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| 06:31.43 | gr8 | help, I can't decrypt my LUKS device any more. Unfortunately, I don't have logged which updates I installed yesterday. |
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| 06:32.04 | gr8 | debian 7.6 |
| 06:32.24 | Resilience | gr8, what's LUKS? |
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| 06:32.50 | gr8 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup |
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| 06:33.54 | Resilience | gr8 thanks |
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| 06:37.00 | gr8 | interestingly, my encrypted root disk did still work, so maybe a userspace problem? |
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| 06:38.46 | deego | Has there been a new point release today? I had some 30 packages upgraded with no dsa.. |
| 06:39.19 | deego | ah, dpkg knows about a term 7.7 :) |
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| 06:43.09 | sithfm | so, using the 'gfxpayload' option with grub for the kernel cmdline seems to conflict with randr |
| 06:44.05 | sithfm | in that, when i set the gfxmode with grub, and use gfxpayload=keep, then when trying to use xrandr i no longer have the other video modes available, and instead it's locked to whatever i've set with the grub gfxmode |
| 06:44.39 | sithfm | i'd like to be able to set the grub/kernel console resolution but also retain the ability to change between supported modes once booted and in X |
| 06:44.45 | sithfm | anyone have any thoughts on this? |
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| 06:59.15 | gr8 | is there a way to find out which packages I've installed yesterday? |
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| 07:00.56 | nevyn | git log on yourpuppet tree ;) |
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| 07:02.38 | heurist | gr8: look in /var/log/apt/history.log or /var/log/aptitude |
| 07:04.03 | Resilience | I have and /etc/apt/sources.list (http://pastebin.com/mtNLXrCz) which gets theh packages from testing, and according to http://debian-handbook.info/ if I put this http://pastebin.com/gbdk0maf() my machine will run testing AND get the ones not in testing from stable, right? |
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| 07:08.40 | gr8 | ok, problem solved. the problem is that I'm an idiot who have messed with his keyboard layout m( |
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| 07:21.54 | csmrfx | So where debian extracts the source code package? |
| 07:22.13 | csmrfx | (when "apt-get source foobar") |
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| 07:22.56 | jesther | csmrfx: /usr/src? |
| 07:23.02 | jesther | Not sure though. |
| 07:23.16 | jesther | I think you can set it where you want it. |
| 07:23.19 | csmrfx | Suppose you wanted to read the ruby source? |
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| 07:24.01 | jesther | Their website always has the latest "readmes." |
| 07:24.19 | csmrfx | on my stable, /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/ only has .rb files |
| 07:24.36 | csmrfx | ie. files that the ruby interpreter uses - the libraries for the core |
| 07:24.56 | csmrfx | but where did apt-get source ruby download the core source code befuddles me |
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| 07:25.11 | jesther | Dunno. I'm on *buntu. |
| 07:25.39 | jesther | Though my patience is up. |
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| 07:27.00 | csmrfx | jesther: do you also frequent #windows telling people how you dont know, and tell them about your patience? |
| 07:27.35 | jesther | Nope. I usually go with what will work. Windows is always a last step. |
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| 07:28.06 | csmrfx | irony, lost |
| 07:28.13 | csmrfx | no, wait, is that sarcasm |
| 07:28.15 | csmrfx | anyway |
| 07:28.24 | jesther | M hm. |
| 07:28.46 | csmrfx | the source packages get downloaded to current dir |
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| 07:29.05 | jesther | Ah, yes I remember now. |
| 07:29.36 | jesther | I tried rsync, but that just fuddles me. |
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| 07:29.44 | csmrfx | Or, the full version |
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| 07:30.03 | csmrfx | the source packages get downloaded to current dir, when installed using "apt-get source <pkg name>" |
| 07:31.09 | jesther | I recommend /usr/src. |
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| 07:31.30 | jesther | Or /home/user/something if building for /usr/local or /opt. |
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| 07:32.34 | jesther | csmrfx: Are you a member of the team in the distro? |
| 07:33.33 | csmrfx | no, we are wondering what glib -references are for in the new ruby versions, in #ruby |
| 07:34.27 | jesther | Heh. Okay. I don't want to assume so much. |
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| 07:42.06 | sithfm | !sources.list |
| 07:42.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 07:42.23 | sithfm | how do i add the unstable branch to my sources again? |
| 07:42.40 | sithfm | do i need to put them on their own line for the section of the repo's or can i append it |
| 07:43.04 | sithfm | aka jessie main contrib non-free > jessie sid main contrib non-free |
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| 07:44.07 | csmrfx | each entry on its own line |
| 07:44.18 | csmrfx | preferably add a comment so you know what who why |
| 07:44.31 | csmrfx | google your own question |
| 07:44.47 | sithfm | was hoping something like {jessie,sid} main contrib non-free or jessie,sid main contrib non-free would work.. nope |
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| 07:46.11 | jesther | sithfm: Why would you want to do that? You'll just mix up libs and programs together. |
| 07:46.35 | jesther | You either go straight to sid or use testing. |
| 07:46.42 | jesther | which is jessie. |
| 07:47.28 | jesther | Or do I not make any sense? |
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| 07:49.09 | jesther | sithfm: Are you going to waste my time or are you stuck? |
| 07:49.58 | jesther | Fine. Waste my time. You're not stuck. And you don't have a problem. |
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| 07:53.21 | jesther | sithfm: Did you fix the issue? |
| 07:53.48 | sithfm | i just want a single package |
| 07:53.52 | sithfm | plymouth-drm |
| 07:54.01 | sithfm | i'm not getting it from sid it turns out |
| 07:54.06 | sithfm | need it from wheezy |
| 07:54.09 | sithfm | i run a jessie system |
| 07:54.17 | sithfm | default-release is set to jessie |
| 07:54.48 | sithfm | i usually run split systems like thi for the one-off packages i want from other distributions |
| 07:55.16 | sithfm | branch rather |
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| 07:56.23 | h41 | Hey, I bought borderlands presequel and am running jessie. The game wont start and I don't get an error message from journalctl or cli. What should be my further steps for debugging it? (Or do you know another channel where to ask this question?) |
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| 07:57.37 | heurist | h41: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but I am not sure they can help you with specific games. |
| 07:58.06 | jesther | sithfm: I only found this. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
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| 07:59.02 | heurist | sithfm: if you are running jessie you might want to as about that package in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, they know more about jessie than we do in the stable channel. |
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| 08:00.23 | h41 | heurist: well it's not really about a specific game, it's more about general debugging but anyway, I'll try there, thank you. |
| 08:02.17 | sithfm | thanks |
| 08:02.47 | sithfm | yeah the package exists in stable and unstable, but i don't care much about it, it just 'looks cool' |
| 08:04.13 | deego | "<csmrfx> So where debian extracts the source code package? " <<=== in . |
| 08:04.43 | sithfm | dont seem to find any notes about installing a package from stable into testing, hm |
| 08:04.50 | sithfm | kind of a 'forwrd-port' |
| 08:05.19 | deego | sithfm: add unstable to sources.list, and pin it so it doesn't install by default. Then, install the one pkg you want by using -t unstable for apt-get |
| 08:06.20 | deego | (fair warning: you may break your system/run into problems.) |
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| 08:06.28 | deego | otoh, I do that all the time.. |
| 08:07.48 | sithfm | looks like a buncha broken deps trying that |
| 08:07.54 | sithfm | oh well, i'll forget about it |
| 08:08.07 | sithfm | deego yeah thanks |
| 08:08.13 | sithfm | the unstable package was for a weird arch |
| 08:08.24 | sithfm | the only one for amd64 was from wheezy |
| 08:08.40 | sithfm | but there is a hard = dep for a wheezy version of the dep |
| 08:08.58 | sithfm | i'll just wait for it to enter the testing branch |
| 08:09.03 | deego | heh, on play throwaway boxes, isn't it fun to do all kinds of weird, verboten things, like mix different distros :D |
| 08:09.28 | sithfm | yeah this is a parallels vm under osx |
| 08:09.33 | sithfm | everything els is tuned nicel |
| 08:09.39 | sithfm | HiDPI retina screen |
| 08:09.57 | sithfm | wanted the flashy plymouth boot but meh... very inconsequential hehe :) |
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| 08:10.46 | deego | :) |
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| 08:13.08 | deego | "<sithfm> looks like a buncha broken deps trying that " <<=== --no-recommends should help cat that down a bit.. |
| 08:13.17 | deego | --no-install-recommends |
| 08:13.54 | sithfm | ah yeah |
| 08:14.04 | sithfm | thanks, forgot about that |
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| 08:14.42 | Resilience | deego I have and /etc/apt/sources.list (http://pastebin.com/mtNLXrCz) which gets theh packages from testing, and according to http://debian-handbook.info/ if I put this http://pastebin.com/gbdk0maf() my machine will run testing AND get the ones not in testing from stable, right? |
| 08:15.32 | deego | Resilience: yes |
| 08:15.51 | sithfm | http://puu.sh/cie9c/eae5e33307.png |
| 08:15.59 | sithfm | i guess that's --without with aptitude |
| 08:16.10 | sithfm | (don't use apt-get ever except for dist upgrades) |
| 08:16.25 | deego | sithfm: why not? |
| 08:16.43 | deego | i've used apt-get for 14 (?) yrs and counting... never could switch to aptitude |
| 08:17.04 | Resilience | deego ok, so wen I install (for example) amule, and it is both on testing and stable it will be installed from testing and when I install amule-cli (or wahtever) that only be in stable it will be installesd from stable, right? |
| 08:17.09 | sithfm | it seems 'better' to me |
| 08:17.12 | sithfm | dep resolution etc |
| 08:17.19 | sithfm | so yeah, i can't install this package |
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| 08:17.33 | sithfm | actually i guess i'll just revert to the stable version of plymouth... duh! |
| 08:17.38 | deego | Resilience: yes. unless they conflict, of course.. (see warning above) |
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| 08:18.35 | Resilience | deego, what advice? |
| 08:19.03 | deego | "<Resilience> deego, what advice?" <<=== <deego> (fair warning: you may break your system/run into problems.) |
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| 08:19.29 | sithfm | oh lord.. well nevermind that idea |
| 08:19.31 | deego | Resilience: if you mix releases, be prepared to deal with messes, is all :) |
| 08:19.33 | sithfm | http://puu.sh/ciehO/902fe7abee.png |
| 08:19.46 | sithfm | not sure how udev is involved but oh well |
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| 08:20.25 | heurist | cowers in fear from all the talk of frankendebian |
| 08:20.26 | Resilience | deego that warning did not appear at my screen... and the configuration was taken from debian-handbook, which is supposed to be official... |
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| 08:21.01 | sithfm | this is a fruitless journey |
| 08:21.05 | sithfm | screw it :P |
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| 08:21.32 | sithfm | i guess i'll use this time to acquaint myself with systemd... i know nearly nothing about it |
| 08:21.58 | sithfm | seems like an exploded pain in the rear. like what the redhats did to configuration with chkconfig etc |
| 08:22.01 | deego | Also, if you wish to bring a mixed system back to stable, pin stable to above 1000(?) so apt-get will prefer to downgrade from testing to stable... |
| 08:22.45 | rimas23412 | im using debian wheezy. Today i do update, and receive iceweasel version 31.2.0esr-2. Which is from sid repos. Why that happen ? The last iceweasel for wheezy is 24.8.1 |
| 08:22.50 | Resilience | deego, pining was for me? |
| 08:22.56 | rimas23412 | I'm using wheezy repos... |
| 08:23.03 | heurist | ,v iceweasel |
| 08:23.03 | deego | Resilience: for sithfm |
| 08:23.05 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 31.1.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1; sid: 31.2.0esr-2; experimental: 33.0-2 |
| 08:24.03 | heurist | rimas23412: 24ers is not supported by mozilla anymore, so wheezy now has 31ers, remember wheezy started with 10ers. |
| 08:24.30 | heurist | s/ers/esr/ |
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| 08:25.41 | lesta | btw today updates mess up my video driver |
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| 08:26.32 | heurist | dpkg: tell lesta -about bts |
| 08:26.40 | Resilience | deego, in case I get into trouble with this caonfiguration, I can pin my system to 1000 and downgrade to stable and after that upgraed again tu testing? |
| 08:26.45 | cynicallemon | thinks frankendebian is debian with systemd |
| 08:27.10 | sithfm | some great comments here http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/17/1424246/debian-talks-about-systemd-once-again |
| 08:27.11 | heurist | dpkg: tell Resilience -about downgrade |
| 08:27.14 | deego | Resilience: yes, in theory :) |
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| 08:27.24 | Resilience | deego, ah welll xD |
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| 08:27.45 | deego | rather, no, in theory, yes (mostly) in practice :D |
| 08:27.56 | rimas23412 | thanks. i was looking into https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/iceweasel and i was thinking that 24.8.1 the latest package at the moment... I'm a bit confuse now, where i can look the latest versions numbers for my wheezy ? |
| 08:28.14 | sithfm | rimas23412: apt-cache iceweasel |
| 08:28.38 | sithfm | err apt-cache policy iceweasel |
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| 08:28.58 | Resilience | I'm running testing, but there is some littl epackages that I missed, as ciaro-dock, awn and amule-cli... and I want them... in the debian-handbook they say taht having the mix of testing and stable soruces youo got the testing packages and the stable packages taht are still not included in testing... |
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| 08:29.05 | Agd_Scorp | How can I see all iptables rules that are related to the port 22? |
| 08:29.05 | sithfm | this is what i'm showing for versions > http://puu.sh/cieE3/718a2bfa4a.png |
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| 08:29.23 | Resilience | heurist, thanks, I understand |
| 08:29.34 | sithfm | i usually just do the iptables -L -nv -t filter --line-numbers |
| 08:29.37 | sithfm | and browse |
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| 08:29.43 | heurist | rimas23412: you can ask the bot: /msg judd versions iceweasel |
| 08:30.38 | rimas23412 | ok, thanks you sithfm and heurist ;) |
| 08:31.05 | deego | Resilience: though it's not supported, I have never had any harm by adding stable to my testing sources.list (and again, i've done that for some 14 yrs. on a machine that was installed with floppies initially.) |
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| 08:31.51 | Resilience | deego oooook, that's what I wanted to know thanks |
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| 08:31.56 | heurist | rimas23412: the pdo website will probably have the correct details once someone gets round to updating it. it is the weekend though. |
| 08:32.09 | Resilience | it coudl happen, becuase anything could happen, but it not veruy probable |
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| 08:32.20 | deego | Resilience: again, in principle, things might break. In practice, you should be able to fix whatever happens. |
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| 08:33.08 | nezZario | Any reason db5.1-util keeps getting held back? Recently switched to jessie and curious as to if it's normal/if so why |
| 08:33.19 | heurist | Resilience: deego: but in practice, you have to be able to fix it on your own, do not *expect* support. you may get lucky though. |
| 08:33.34 | heurist | nezZario: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:33.35 | Resilience | degad f I later erase the lines from stable, I will get to work only with testing right¿ |
| 08:33.44 | Resilience | deego, and f I later erase the lines from stable, I will get to work only with testing right¿ |
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| 08:34.17 | deego | Resilience: no. you would then have "orphaned" packages.. that are not in distros .. and that should, ideally, be purged. |
| 08:34.39 | deego | other than that and any conflicts they cause, you are ok (again, in practice... as heurist pointed out above) :) |
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| 08:37.02 | Resilience | deego, oook, I wil try a little bit later (now I'm doing ouse cleaning, or something like that= |
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| 08:39.41 | nezZario | OK, another weird issue... I followed the wiki in how to set my browser, I switched from chromium to chrome-stable -- there is a wiki entry on which items to update with update-alternatives but even though I did that, a lot of stuff can't find the browser..specifically xfce's menu and skype, .. is there another place? |
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| 08:42.39 | petern__ | Chrome is not part of Debian, so... who knows. |
| 08:44.16 | nezZario | I'm not asking about chrome but update-alternative |
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| 08:55.05 | sithfm | sounds like maybe gnome-menu or debian-menu isn't being updated as normal with the postinst processes |
| 08:55.14 | sithfm | when you install chromium |
| 08:55.26 | petern__ | sithfm, he's talking about chrome though |
| 08:55.50 | sithfm | oh, yeah there isn't a postinst for that as far as I know so he's have to manually add it as an item to his wm's menu's, etc |
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| 08:56.44 | petern__ | Last time I used it there was a .desktop file I think, but I don't have it these days. |
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| 08:59.22 | jesther | Does systemd support booting in cli? |
| 08:59.36 | jesther | I don't know much about their init. |
| 09:00.05 | jesther | And also, if it can, can I switch to display manager after change of init type? |
| 09:00.56 | jesther | I want to "scrub" when using the whole system. |
| 09:01.10 | Lady_Aleena | Is there something in Debian which will not allow me to create a directory named 'Nightmare_Café', 'Paris_enquêtes_criminelles', or 'Æon_Flux_(1991)'? |
| 09:02.24 | deego | Lady_Aleena: did you try it? did it work? |
| 09:02.30 | heurist | jesther: you can disable the DM's initscript so it does not run at boot, you will then be in cli, you can then systemctl start DM at any time to get it back. this is no different to sysvinit, or whatever, you could set it up so you can give a kernel parameter to grub and have the DM not load, but that is not default yet. |
| 09:02.58 | jesther | Ah. |
| 09:03.08 | jesther | heurist: Looks like it'll be fun hacking. :) |
| 09:03.10 | deego | Lady_Aleena: iiuc, the only thing disallowed is / but i could be wrong. |
| 09:03.21 | Lady_Aleena | deego, I tried it in 3 terminal programs, and none let me do it. |
| 09:03.45 | deego | :( |
| 09:03.57 | Lady_Aleena | I was just wondering if Debian disallowed special characters in directory names. |
| 09:04.48 | hypermist | Quick question is there anyway to change an os on my vps without being host/the place where it is ? |
| 09:05.16 | xand | Lady_Aleena: the only disallowed characters are null and / |
| 09:05.59 | drumr | i have an inssue when install rtl8192cu realtek drivers. when i run the install.sh i get make error 2 at the end. i was able to get it to work in wheezy but for some reason its not working in jessie. i have the kernel headers installed |
| 09:06.00 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks. I guess it has to do with my set up being screwy then, but where I don't know. |
| 09:06.19 | drumr | recipe for sub make error |
| 09:06.23 | drumr | as well |
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| 09:13.11 | jesther | drumr: I think there's current support for jessie yet. |
| 09:13.16 | jesther | *no* |
| 09:13.32 | drumr | k |
| 09:13.43 | drumr | lol i moved to jssie to get steam instaled |
| 09:13.50 | drumr | now i cant get wifi adapter |
| 09:13.53 | drumr | lol |
| 09:14.12 | drumr | i was able to get the firmware installed |
| 09:14.13 | Lady_Aleena | will fight with her computer after she has slept to get it to work right. |
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| 09:18.21 | jesther | drumr: lol. |
| 09:18.28 | jesther | How hard is it to install a connection? |
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| 09:18.52 | jesther | It's just a matter of waiting and getting the right uri. |
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| 09:22.20 | drumr | the drivers are about done compiling and there is an error |
| 09:22.28 | drumr | i did it on wheezy without issue n a vm |
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| 09:22.38 | drumr | installed firmware and was able to connect |
| 09:23.44 | jesther | Good for you. I'd use connections for separate hosts/servers. |
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| 09:24.38 | jesther | Sometimes you could just add the hosts in one server and allocate the IPs to the servers and hosts. |
| 09:25.15 | jesther | So (host/IP(servers)). |
| 09:25.57 | drumr | yeah |
| 09:26.04 | jesther | I'd point to projects when they're ready. |
| 09:26.15 | jesther | But I'm in isolation right now. |
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| 09:27.04 | jesther | Of course, I know where I am. Heheh. |
| 09:28.14 | drumr | hehe |
| 09:28.32 | drumr | hmmm i just checked, with the firmware i should have that driver installed |
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| 09:29.04 | drumr | it says it cannot connect to interface |
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| 09:30.02 | LIERO | hello |
| 09:30.41 | LIERO | my xfce crashed and upon restart I can't seem to see/mount my windows NTFS partition |
| 09:30.48 | LIERO | Error when getting information for file '/media/XXXXXXXXXX/Users/xxxx/': Transport endpoint is not connected |
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| 09:33.37 | LIERO | any ideas on how to troubleshoot this issue? |
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| 09:43.42 | n0de3 | Hi, anyone about? I've got a question regarding apt-get upgrade. When I upgrade, there are only 'packages that will be upgraded', but if I apt-get upgrade --only-upgrade [package], the command returns additional new installs in addition to the upgrade. |
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| 09:45.32 | nyuszika7h | topic needs updating? :P there's 7.7 now |
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| 09:52.01 | babilen | nyuszika7h: ta |
| 09:52.09 | nyuszika7h | :) |
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| 10:36.27 | petern__ | Argh, more updates ;( |
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| 10:37.57 | petern__ | I really need to figure out a better update tracking system. My current one requires so many clicks :( |
| 10:38.23 | deego | petern__: what's your current system? |
| 10:38.43 | petern__ | Custom made system with a web frontend. |
| 10:39.33 | petern__ | But basically every package update on every machine needs to be clicked through. It was okay with a couple of changes a month... |
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| 10:40.26 | petern__ | I wonder if I can hook into apt/dpkg to automatically tell it which packages are updated. hmm. |
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| 10:41.14 | deego | "<n0de3> Hi, anyone about? I've got a question [..] onal new installs in addition to the upgrade." <<=== probably because the new version of the pkg has added dependencies? |
| 10:41.43 | nezZario | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:42.18 | nezZario | oops, disregard that. |
| 10:42.37 | deego | petern__: wow, that's a lot of work... especially with several machines. |
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| 10:43.08 | petern__ | deego, it's part of strict change control stuff, see. |
| 10:44.14 | petern__ | I suppose I could just parse /var/log/apt/history.log. |
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| 10:45.17 | petern__ | Hmm, Dpkg::Post-Invoke |
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| 10:49.15 | rozie | hello. I have trouble with booting given kernel once |
| 10:49.42 | rozie | system is Wheezy. I use grub-reboot 2 |
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| 10:50.44 | rozie | and have GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub. and this works - third entry is booted |
| 10:51.43 | rozie | the problem is: after this, when I reboot, still entry 2 (third kernel) is booted. if machine doesn't get up I won't be able to change kernel to boot |
| 10:52.02 | neurosis | grub customizer may help |
| 10:54.36 | petern__ | Has update-grub been run after GRUB_DEFAULT=saved was set? |
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| 10:55.25 | rozie | let me check. I'm on 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64 (entry 2)... |
| 10:55.55 | Rovanion | Can I rerun the configuration dialog that is run the first time I install package x? |
| 10:55.58 | rozie | grub-reboot 0; update-grub; reboot |
| 10:56.17 | rozie | Rovanion: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 10:56.27 | rozie | you may want -plow as an option |
| 10:56.49 | Rovanion | rozie: But dpkg-reconfigure -plow mailutils doesn't do anything I'm afraid. |
| 10:56.52 | Resilience | hoy can I know which devices is my cdrom? I am with a laptop |
| 10:58.38 | rozie | Rovanion: better describe what do you want to change... |
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| 10:58.41 | petern__ | rozie, something about /etc/grub/grubenv |
| 10:59.26 | Rovanion | rozie: When I first installed mailutils I got a dialog asking the servers role in a mail system. I picked the wrong option and now want to re-do the guide. |
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| 11:00.00 | rozie | Rovanion: it was probably exim dialog box, not mailutils one |
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| 11:00.43 | Rovanion | rozie: It was postfix, exim was not installed. Thank you! |
| 11:02.12 | petern__ | rozie, I think there should be a prev_saved_entry else it will always boot saved_entry. |
| 11:02.31 | petern__ | at least, that's what it looks like in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 11:02.38 | petern__ | (er, I meant /boot not /etc earlier) |
| 11:03.04 | rozie | investigating. 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64 was entry 0 not 2 |
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| 11:03.21 | rozie | 5 min and I'll know everything |
| 11:03.23 | rozie | ;) |
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| 11:13.58 | rozie | nah. looks like thig grub-reboot option changes default entry permanently |
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| 11:21.15 | Knaldgas | vlc suddenly started to misbehave. First problem was MOV videos only playing audio (no video), then I tried to install libvdpau-va-gl1, which I have now removed gain, but now MP4-files does not play back video anymore... |
| 11:22.01 | Knaldgas | vlc from command line reports: "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" and I'm running an: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 11:22.11 | petern__ | rozie, yeah, it's not meant to. there should be a previous entry set |
| 11:22.17 | Knaldgas | Any hints of what try? |
| 11:22.25 | dr0p | hello, where can I icon tray with spotify or rhytmbox in the lates gnome (have't used 3.x gnome) |
| 11:22.26 | dr0p | ? |
| 11:22.50 | huza | how to change my keyboard layout to german? |
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| 11:23.49 | dr0p | found topicons extension |
| 11:24.10 | petern__ | rhythmbox doesn't have a tray icon anymore. |
| 11:25.27 | petern__ | You can enable mpris and install an mpris shell extension though. |
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| 11:26.42 | petern__ | or there is a separate tray icon plugin for rhythmbox but it's not packaged. |
| 11:27.18 | rozie | petern__: so how to achieve "boot once" with grub? I remember it was possible on LILO. It was kind of hack, but well documented and worked |
| 11:28.18 | Dev0n_ | hey, I'm looking to keep an eye on some servers and notify me when the |
| 11:28.38 | Dev0n_ | when they go down, is there a service I could use or should I just stick to a quick email bash script that pings the server at interval? |
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| 11:30.34 | petern__ | rozie, seems to work for me. Typing grub-reboot 8 puts "prev_saved_entry=0" and "saved_entry=8" in /boot/grub/grubenv |
| 11:30.57 | petern__ | when grub boots it will replaced saved_entry=8 with saved_entry=0 and remove prev_saved_entry |
| 11:31.10 | petern__ | but it seems the problem is you don't have prev_saved_entry, so it always boots saved_entry. |
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| 11:31.26 | petern__ | Maybe just running grub-reboot x will fix it? |
| 11:31.47 | rozie | Dev0n_: very simple solution is mon. it's simple. if you want something more advanced - zabbix is fine |
| 11:32.05 | rozie | petern__: indeed. prev_saved_entry= (empty) |
| 11:32.55 | petern__ | ok you can fix that by running grub-reboot multiple times |
| 11:33.07 | rozie | I took a risk and rebooted this remote machine anyway. It's up and running |
| 11:33.16 | petern__ | do grub-reboot x where x is what you want the default to be |
| 11:33.30 | petern__ | then grub-reboot y where y is what you want the next boot to be |
| 11:33.36 | petern__ | that will set prev_saved_entry to x |
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| 11:33.48 | rozie | petern__: thx! |
| 11:34.03 | kubuntu_ | hi . i hawe a question. |
| 11:34.04 | rozie | won't check it now, but it'll probably work |
| 11:34.10 | petern__ | this highlights a potential issue: don't run grub-reboot multiple times, else it will set the default (!) |
| 11:34.20 | kubuntu_ | is it possible to install linux on a loopdevice. |
| 11:34.33 | rozie | kubuntu_: yes |
| 11:34.55 | kubuntu_ | @rozie lol. great . how ? |
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| 11:35.44 | Brigo | kubuntu_, using debootstrap |
| 11:36.01 | Brigo | the usual way to install debian in any device. |
| 11:36.16 | kubuntu_ | ok. thanks . |
| 11:36.32 | Dev0n_ | thanks rozie, I'll check those out |
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| 11:37.52 | rozie | kubuntu_: http://forum.lemaker.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1752&page=1 |
| 11:38.01 | rozie | take a look here for more options (it |
| 11:38.31 | rozie | is Debian image for Banana Pi, there was a script, I played a little with loop mounted image) |
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| 11:39.07 | rozie | but if you just want to install on single partition - mount and debootstrap. |
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| 11:40.20 | kubuntu_ | im using chrooted installs on loopsevices. that way errors causing less trouble. |
| 11:41.32 | Brigo | kubuntu_, do you know lxc? |
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| 11:42.36 | Azum | hello guys:-) i have my first linux install of my pc and then i have a problem. i am now in the terminal. what is the user and password.find nothing in the www. pls help a noobi^^ |
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| 11:43.13 | rozie | Azum: who installed this? |
| 11:43.20 | Azum | debian system |
| 11:43.23 | Brigo | Azum, if you have installed debian you had been asking for them. |
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| 11:45.06 | kubuntu_ | @Brigo now i know. thanks. |
| 11:45.24 | Azum | i have first install debian system. I do not know how the user and the password is |
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| 11:45.38 | Brigo | kubuntu_, lxc + btrfs (for snapshoting) are great. |
| 11:45.55 | rozie | Azum: reinstall. and this time write down user and password |
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| 11:47.16 | Giverny | i have a problem with vsftpd who help me? |
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| 11:47.22 | Azum | the standard password is not root and user sudo? |
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| 11:48.01 | SynrG | Azum: you seem to be confused |
| 11:48.12 | SynrG | Azum: is this debian or a debian derivative like kali? |
| 11:48.15 | ConfusedQuestion | Azum: Debian works different from Ubuntu. User and root are separate accounts. |
| 11:48.33 | metallic | ^ |
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| 11:49.31 | ioann-sys | so, i can not found russian guru of QMAIL mail server. Please, help me )) |
| 11:49.56 | ConfusedQuestion | Instead of doing sudo for installing stuff the following works as well --> $ su -c 'apt-get install PACKAGE' |
| 11:50.17 | Azum | hm i dont now^^ i have debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:50.40 | SynrG | ConfusedQuestion: except in the case where you leave the root password blank, as the help screen for that step of the install explains. then sudo is enabled for the primary user. |
| 11:50.43 | ConfusedQuestion | Oh... so you're going to install the whole thing via web? |
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| 11:50.52 | ioann-sys | how to make mail server based on QMAIL on debian? |
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| 11:51.31 | Giverny | anyone have a vsftpd.conf? |
| 11:51.36 | ConfusedQuestion | SynrG: Never did so for security reasons, I never got behind the idea of that for Ubuntu. |
| 11:52.05 | SynrG | ConfusedQuestion: you can choose however you wish. just be aware when helping others that debian does support this. |
| 11:52.07 | ConfusedQuestion | But thanks anyways for the highlight, seems like my zbnc needs a reconnect once again. |
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| 11:52.51 | SynrG | Azum: so as i said, if you left the password blank for root, then you just use sudo and enter your own password |
| 11:52.52 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: netqmail is packaged as "qmail", but in this day and age, why would you pick that particular MTA? |
| 11:52.59 | Giverny | need to know what are the permissions of the folders and access the vsftpd.conf someone who is working in wheezy |
| 11:53.09 | SynrG | Azum: there is no password for root in that case. |
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| 11:53.54 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: one moment... I translate your message) |
| 11:54.05 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 11:54.06 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 11:55.21 | Azum | ok i leave now, thank for the hint SynrG |
| 11:55.24 | Giverny | Connection failed. |
| 11:55.24 | Giverny | OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 11:55.29 | Giverny | what is this? |
| 11:56.02 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: read a lot of articles that say that it is easy to set up qmail than others |
| 11:56.38 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: qmail is outdated, and running a mail server is _never_ easy |
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| 11:58.54 | Giverny | Timeout detected. |
| 11:58.54 | Giverny | Could not retrieve directory listing |
| 11:58.54 | Giverny | Error listing directory '/var/www/html'. |
| 11:58.59 | Giverny | why guys? |
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| 11:59.15 | Giverny | is the permission of the folder? |
| 11:59.27 | ioann-sys | Giverny: maybee /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
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| 12:00.05 | Giverny | i think no :( |
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| 12:00.25 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: i know) please, help me with choise of MTA. Exim | postfix | qmail ? |
| 12:01.42 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: I prefer postfix but exim is supposed to be usable as well. Why do you want to run a mail server? |
| 12:02.18 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: mail server need for OTRS system. |
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| 12:02.30 | Giverny | ioann-sys apache is ok |
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| 12:02.39 | Giverny | is working |
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| 12:03.01 | Giverny | ssh and scp |
| 12:03.04 | Giverny | is working too |
| 12:03.11 | Giverny | but fpt |
| 12:03.14 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: internal use only? |
| 12:03.21 | Giverny | *ftp is brook |
| 12:03.33 | ioann-sys | Giverny: in apache2.conf, see directives of <Directory /var/www/> |
| 12:03.43 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: not internal |
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| 12:03.59 | Giverny | mmm ok |
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| 12:05.00 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: can't OTRS just grab mail from a pop3 account someplace? |
| 12:05.18 | Iloiny | how come popularity contest is installed anyway even I reply no (during installation of wheezy) |
| 12:05.20 | cloudowind | whats the purpose of /proc/self? |
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| 12:06.02 | themill | Iloiny: because when you're answering that question you're actually configuring popcon after it is already installed |
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| 12:06.15 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: it is schedule of my company. we are not use public mail servers (gmail, yahoo, etc..) |
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| 12:06.34 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: but you don't have a mail server at all yet? |
| 12:07.30 | jelly-home | there's no need to set up a mail server on the OTRS machine, just connect it to your existing smtp server for outgoing mail, and create a pop3/imap account for incoming |
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| 12:08.04 | Giverny | ioann-sys: <Directory /var/www> Options indexes FollowSymLinks Allow Override None Require all granted </Directory> |
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| 12:08.19 | Giverny | in apache2.conf |
| 12:08.46 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: we have corporated mail server for domain users. So, need second mail server for mailer-daemonds |
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| 12:09.53 | ioann-sys | Giverny: mb /etc/apache2/hosts-available/ ? |
| 12:10.02 | cast | does the latest netinst correct for shellshock? |
| 12:10.29 | jelly-home | ioann-sys: you can use the existing infrastructure. The only reason to set up a separate smtp server would be if you wanted it to work even when the corporate one fails. |
| 12:10.51 | cast | it doesn't appear to, given its labeled 7.6.0 and deb 7.6 was released in july |
| 12:12.03 | jelly-home | cast: it will pull security patches from the internet during the installation if you have internet access at that time |
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| 12:13.48 | ioann-sys | jelly-home: thank you. I sayd your idea on the conference |
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| 12:39.52 | crose | sorry it's off-topic but anyone here is familiar with certificate authorities ? there's something i don't understand. |
| 12:40.18 | nStensen | crose, why not just throw your Q out there? |
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| 12:41.05 | nStensen | maybe someone will reply ;) |
| 12:41.43 | sharp15 | seems to be quiet. the proscritpion/"ranting against ot conversation" usually occurs during high usage times. probably worth trying. |
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| 12:42.32 | sharp15 | erm. replace "trying" with "asking". |
| 12:42.48 | crose | ok, i'm gonna try |
| 12:42.53 | nStensen | ;) |
| 12:42.54 | crose | Let's say i'm visiting a website which was issued a certificate by a well-known CA, but not the root CA, just a subordinate CA |
| 12:43.09 | crose | since it's a well-known CA my browser comes probably by default with the root CA certificate but let's say it doesn't have the ones from the subordinates. |
| 12:43.24 | crose | In theory, my browser should tell me that the website is authenticated because of the chain of trust. |
| 12:43.36 | crose | But in practice that means my browser has downloaded and checked all the certificates between the root CA and the exact subordinate CA which issued the website's certificate. |
| 12:43.45 | crose | How does that happen ? |
| 12:43.55 | crose | How does my browser knows the exact path between the root CA and the subordinate CA which issued the website's certificate, and where to download all the certificates ? |
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| 12:47.05 | nStensen | I believe you still only have the root CA? and a subordinate that refers to the root? |
| 12:48.04 | crose | but what if it's more complex than that, if there are more than 2 levels ? |
| 12:48.23 | nStensen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_certificate_authorities |
| 12:48.31 | sharp15 | nStensen: i think he is refering to multiple levels of signing-keys issued by a root authority |
| 12:49.13 | ioann-sys | crose: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Repositories have new certs |
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| 12:49.43 | crose | nStensen : i think it contains what i'm looking for, i'm reading it ;) |
| 12:49.59 | crose | nStensen : thank you very much ;) |
| 12:50.02 | nStensen | ;) remember, google is your friend :) |
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| 12:52.43 | nStensen | well, google is not always your friend ... but you get the point :) |
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| 13:06.20 | Giverny | ioann-sys which the problem with roundcube-core? |
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| 13:07.01 | Giverny | sudo apt-get -y install roundcube roundcube-mysql |
| 13:07.17 | Giverny | and this depend roundcube-core ? |
| 13:07.24 | Giverny | wtf |
| 13:07.38 | ioann-sys | Giverny: i try it |
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| 13:08.24 | ioann-sys | Giverny: roundcube - it is webmail server? How to clients drag mails with MUA? |
| 13:08.29 | Giverny | yeah |
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| 13:12.50 | cast | jelly-home: i guess the next question is, does the installer user a dhcp client which is vulnerable |
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| 13:20.03 | apaze | Hi y'all. Is there anyone to tell me what will be the changes and why is this changing happening about systemd plz ? |
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| 13:27.14 | apaze | Hi y'all. Is there anyone to tell me what will be the changes and why is this changing happening about systemd plz ? |
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| 13:29.42 | Brigo | apaze, that is too long to tell, ask google. |
| 13:30.11 | vanila | Hi debian, any one part of this? http://debianfork.org/ |
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| 13:32.20 | vanila | theres no irc to talk to them about it? |
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| 13:34.08 | Brigo | vanila, ask them |
| 13:34.23 | jelly-home | vanila: the domain is just a couple hours old. If they want to be serious, they'll put up contact information there. |
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| 13:36.27 | jelly-home | that apparently means the email address on the page for now |
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| 13:39.13 | rasper | hello, i have dual system on my laptop (win7 + debian). After i reinstall win7 i want to recover grub. When i using a liveCD(knoppix) to recover grub , it always prompt that /boot/grub/stage1 can not read correctly. |
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| 13:39.47 | Brigo | rasper, what do you recover grub? |
| 13:39.54 | Brigo | s/what/how/ |
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| 13:42.38 | rasper | Using a liveCD to boot, then mount the linux partiton /, using sudo grub in the comand line. In the grub interface to do recovering. |
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| 13:45.07 | Brigo | rasper, that is not the procedure, search google or at least this link: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
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| 13:49.11 | rasper | Brigo: ok i could't access google. But i will look the manual page to figure out what is the correct procedure. |
| 13:49.46 | Brigo | i can try to paste it for you in a private message if you are insterested. |
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| 13:51.08 | rasper | Brigo: that's sweet. But i am using my phone now. I will check it latter. |
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| 13:51.36 | Brigo | rasper, no problem :) |
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| 13:53.18 | nell | I'm trying to install BroIDS on wheezy |
| 13:53.33 | nell | Depends: libc6 (< 2.12) but 2.13-38+deb7u6 is installed |
| 13:53.39 | nell | T_T |
| 13:54.05 | rasper | Brigo: One more question, before i reinstall win7 i have backed up the MBR. After reinstalling, i recover the MBR manually. After that, i can access debian but cannot access win7 |
| 13:54.31 | rasper | Brigo: error message is : no such device |
| 13:56.02 | Brigo | rasper, of course yes, you need to reinstall the mbr again pointing to both win7 and debian. |
| 13:56.17 | Brigo | that is what grub-install does. |
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| 13:59.04 | rasper | Brigo: it is a vague concept for me, i am little confused about it. |
| 14:00.26 | Brigo | The mbr is the code who search for the kernel in the disk, so it has to know where the kernel is. If you have several systems, mbr have to know about all their kernels. |
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| 14:03.12 | rasper | Brigo: so when i recover the MBR with backup file, it only knows about debian kernel's position but have no idea about win7. Am i right? |
| 14:03.31 | Brigo | rasper, yes, you are right. |
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| 14:06.30 | rasper | Brigo: all right, i will figure out the recover procedure first. Can you paste the google result for me ? Thanks . |
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| 14:06.57 | Brigo | of course |
| 14:08.01 | rasper | Brigo: censorship is annoying :( |
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| 14:08.41 | Brigo | rasper, what? |
| 14:09.22 | rasper | Brigo: nothing . Just complain about censorship |
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| 14:15.34 | NeedHelp | Hi, all! |
| 14:15.54 | NeedHelp | I someone online to help me? I would appreciate it. |
| 14:15.57 | NeedHelp | Is* |
| 14:16.15 | Brigo | !ask |
| 14:16.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:16.51 | NeedHelp | I have a problem with updating my sources from the terminal. When I try to update I get this: |
| 14:17.00 | NeedHelp | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Start. Current value: 33554432. (man 5 apt.conf) Reading package lists... Error! E: Unable to increase the size of the MMap as the limit of 33554432 bytes is already reached. E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Start. Current value: 33554432. (man 5 apt.conf) E: Error occurred while processing evince (NewVersion2) E: Problem wi |
| 14:17.17 | jelly-home | !dynamic mmap |
| 14:17.17 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 14:18.20 | jelly-home | NeedHelp: seeing you reached the limit for your version of apt, you _will_ have to remove some of the sources, instead |
| 14:18.31 | jelly-home | NeedHelp: which debian release is that? |
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| 14:18.48 | NeedHelp | kali |
| 14:18.59 | jelly-home | !kali |
| 14:19.00 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 14:22.25 | NeedHelp | I fixed my problem, it was in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Kali may not be debian, but this solution worked! |
| 14:22.31 | NeedHelp | Thanks a lot! ;-) |
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| 14:30.55 | irina- | something strange: i try to log in on Xfce with user / pass ... in debian and not work...if i use in text mode work fine.. |
| 14:31.05 | irina- | any suggesting? |
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| 14:33.14 | Jason__ | I'm looking to purchase a new UPS for my server and was wondering if anyone had experience with the software provided by either APC or Cyberpower to initiate a shutdown after a sustained power loss. |
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| 14:34.11 | rozie | Jason__: a long time ago... but it's irrevelant which software you use |
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| 14:34.24 | Jason__ | rozie, I just want to make sure the function works |
| 14:34.26 | rozie | when you can read current UPS state, the rest is simple |
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| 14:34.49 | rozie | and there was a daemon in Debian these days for UPSes |
| 14:35.04 | Jason__ | so, I won't even need their software to ensure a graceful shutdown? |
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| 14:38.35 | rozie | Jason__: if it's important - test it |
| 14:38.59 | rozie | I wouldn't bet if 3rd party software works OK |
| 14:39.01 | rozie | ;) |
| 14:39.02 | Jason__ | I will. I just wanted to know if anyone had experience and recommended one over the other |
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| 14:39.09 | irina- | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631504 |
| 14:39.19 | rozie | I'd try to use open source daemon |
| 14:39.24 | Jason__ | ok |
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| 14:40.06 | rozie | there's apcupsd in Debian |
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| 14:43.03 | woshty | Thank you very much to the person who fixed acerhdf in 3.16.3 :) |
| 14:43.29 | woshty | .. or not :/ |
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| 14:47.27 | kubuntu | hi. |
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| 14:48.22 | Guest78537 | is there a way to simplu clone current active live session to a partition image or something ? |
| 14:49.04 | irina- | how i see the uuid on partition? becouse blkid not work |
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| 14:49.55 | rozie | irina-: what do you mean "not work" |
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| 14:50.17 | irina- | i want to know the uuid from my external hdd, for mounting in fstab |
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| 14:52.05 | rozie | blkid /dev/sdb5 ? |
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| 14:52.19 | metallic | irina-, I would use gparted for that purpose |
| 14:52.23 | irina- | bklid is not on my system and i connot find |
| 14:52.49 | rozie | just install it |
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| 14:52.56 | irina- | not find |
| 14:52.59 | irina- | in apt-get install |
| 14:53.15 | rozie | util-linux package |
| 14:53.27 | nkuttler | !tell irina- about apt-file |
| 14:53.39 | irina- | nkuttler, out! i know about apt |
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| 14:53.55 | irina- | rozie, yes i have installed util-linux |
| 14:53.57 | irina- | strange... |
| 14:54.09 | nkuttler | irina-: if you could read you would have noticed this wasn't about apt |
| 14:54.12 | rozie | are you root? |
| 14:54.39 | irina- | rozie, you joke? yes |
| 14:54.50 | irina- | E: Unable to locate package udevadm |
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| 14:55.03 | irina- | E: Unable to locate package udevinfo |
| 14:55.03 | irina- | pff |
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| 14:55.20 | Brigo | Guest74940, with lvm, zfs or brtfs snapshot, without not much. |
| 14:55.37 | irina- | Setting up hwinfo (16.0-2.2) ... |
| 14:55.42 | irina- | -bash: hwinfo: command not found |
| 14:55.45 | irina- | what?!!?! |
| 14:55.58 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 14:55.59 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 14:56.30 | irina- | ../dev/sdb1: LABEL="New Volume" UUID="18F6695FF6693E5E" TYPE="ntfs" |
| 14:56.31 | irina- | found |
| 14:56.35 | irina- | thanks |
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| 14:57.46 | rozie | np |
| 14:58.23 | irina- | what chmod is this: -rw-r--r-- |
| 14:58.32 | irina- | 600? |
| 14:58.35 | ChrisH | 644 |
| 14:58.39 | irina- | :* |
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| 15:01.02 | consus | Hi guys. Anyone who has kernel 3.10 and later -- could you please share your /proc/config.gz file? |
| 15:01.11 | consus | Pastebin would be fine |
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| 15:02.26 | irina- | Question: what vnc server you use? to connect form windows on linux ? |
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| 15:04.16 | rozie | irina-: vnc? why not SSH? |
| 15:04.20 | rozie | (putty then) |
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| 15:04.31 | irina- | tunnel? |
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| 15:04.37 | irina- | mod graphic? |
| 15:04.42 | rozie | just cli |
| 15:05.01 | rozie | should be enough for remote tasks |
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| 15:05.10 | irina- | i need access at graphic |
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| 15:05.59 | Shattingduck | does debian have its own repositories? |
| 15:06.10 | rozie | Shattingduck: define "own" |
| 15:06.28 | rozie | irina-: cannot help |
| 15:06.32 | Shattingduck | like ubuntu.. it has its own servers |
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| 15:06.44 | rozie | Shattingduck: yes |
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| 15:07.49 | metallic | swift question: why is the root account set to differ from any user account? |
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| 15:09.24 | rgr | Shattingduck: a rather strange Q. What would you expect? How else can it be updated? |
| 15:09.24 | Walex | metallic: is that a real question as worded? |
| 15:09.38 | neurosis | metallc root is super user as root you can do what ever on the os |
| 15:09.47 | Shattingduck | welll linux mint for instance uses the ubuntu repositories... |
| 15:09.56 | rgr | Shattingduck: and its own. |
| 15:10.05 | rgr | And Ubuntu is based on Debian. You could google that in 1 s. |
| 15:10.12 | Shattingduck | what package management system do ubuntu and debian use? |
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| 15:10.29 | neurosis | debians |
| 15:10.38 | Walex | Shattingduck: your questions are based on a fundamental misunderstanding. So please change them. |
| 15:10.41 | rgr | Google it. Thats so trivial you really should bother to look it up yourself. |
| 15:10.57 | rgr | If you're unable to find that yourself then you should look away from Debian. |
| 15:11.00 | Shattingduck | walex: could you elaborate on that |
| 15:11.39 | rgr | Walex: what "misunderstanding"? Unwilling to google perhaps but thats it. |
| 15:11.41 | Walex | Shattingduck: you seem to be assuming that package system, source packages and binary packages are related 1-to-1. |
| 15:11.41 | metallic | Walex, it is a real question. neurosis: in other GNU distros the user you define during the installation process is the root, in Debian I have seen it is not, though I can change my user account to "administrator" mode |
| 15:11.49 | rgr | No he isnt. |
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| 15:11.53 | qman__ | Shattingduck: literally copy and paste your question into google, it will answer the question |
| 15:11.54 | rozie | Shattingduck: go to http://debian.org and read some |
| 15:12.33 | Walex | metallic: ahhhh, but that you are saying now is not congruent with the original question... |
| 15:12.42 | Shattingduck | it uses dpkg google says |
| 15:12.52 | Shattingduck | is google right? |
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| 15:13.19 | metallic | then do not pay attention to my first question Walex ^^' just to the latter |
| 15:13.20 | neurosis | in debian you have root and normal user |
| 15:13.30 | Walex | metallic: you are using the wrong terminology, which seems to indicate an incomplete or inappropriate mental model |
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| 15:14.14 | Shattingduck | walex: could it be your mental frame of mind is one of arrogance? |
| 15:14.24 | Walex | metallic: what you are really asking is "I don;t understand the evolution of the UNIX/Linux privilege model, can someone explain it?" |
| 15:14.39 | rgr | neurosis: you have a LOT more than that. |
| 15:14.49 | Shattingduck | walex: have you ever interacted with humans outside of IRC? |
| 15:15.05 | rgr | bottom line : multiple users and groups for different things. root is king. Documentation is that way --> |
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| 15:15.22 | Walex | Shattingduck: I am assuming as a rule that people like you and "metallic" actually mean the questions they ask, out of respect, but usually the questions are based on a misunderstanding, so they are inappropriate. |
| 15:15.43 | neurosis | rgr i know but i was just trying to simplify it for him |
| 15:15.46 | rgr | dont. |
| 15:15.47 | metallic | let me reformulate the question... neurosis, Walex: the root user is set to be a different user by default, in other distros your user account is the root account, why? |
| 15:15.58 | qman__ | metallic: it isn't |
| 15:16.05 | Walex | metallic: taken litterally yopur new question does not make sense. |
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| 15:16.12 | metallic | lol |
| 15:16.14 | qman__ | metallic: in many distros, your user is added to "sudoers" by default; your account is not root by default |
| 15:16.15 | rgr | or "please dont". Simplifying so basic is paramount to asking for trouble. Its also *wrong*. |
| 15:16.27 | rgr | qman__: root is NOT sudoers. |
| 15:16.32 | rgr | Sheesh. |
| 15:16.36 | qman__ | rgr: I never said it was |
| 15:16.42 | qman__ | rgr: in fact I specifically said it wasn't |
| 15:16.43 | rgr | "your account is not root by default" |
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| 15:16.51 | rgr | in the same line as sudoers or not by default. |
| 15:16.53 | Shattingduck | metallic: I guess in ubuntu there ARE actually two accounts, one root and one user, but they are identical, until you give in your root password using a sudo |
| 15:17.07 | metallic | but I know what qman__ means, my current user account is not added to the sudoers list, I have seen this warning in my console |
| 15:17.12 | Walex | Shattingduck: that explanation does not make sense either. |
| 15:17.27 | Shattingduck | then for that program you switch from normal user to root, but the passwords are the same |
| 15:17.32 | rgr | no they are not identical. They are nothing like each other whatsoever. |
| 15:17.37 | neurosis | Shattingduck thank you lol |
| 15:17.56 | Shattingduck | walex: go to www.ubuntu.com and read up |
| 15:18.00 | Walex | metallic: should I answer the question you should have asked? |
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| 15:18.22 | Walex | is sometimes deluded to have psychich powers :-) |
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| 15:18.45 | metallic | just to make it clear and summarize.... root is always an account and your user account has administrator priviliges granted during the installation? |
| 15:18.55 | Walex | metallic: no. |
| 15:18.58 | metallic | shit |
| 15:19.00 | metallic | XD |
| 15:19.05 | neurosis | I think what ubuntu is trying to do is to make it look more user friendly like Windows |
| 15:19.16 | Shattingduck | well user friendly is not bad |
| 15:19.23 | Walex | neurosis: no, it is trying to do damage limitation. |
| 15:19.29 | qman__ | metallic: root is the super user and the only account with administrative privilege |
| 15:19.42 | Walex | qman__: not quite... |
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| 15:19.50 | qman__ | metallic: the package "sudo" can be used to allow other, non-superusers (like your user) to access root privilege in a limited fashion |
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| 15:19.57 | metallic | qman__, I can grant my account with adminitrative privileges, I have just done it |
| 15:19.59 | Walex | qman__: not quite... |
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| 15:20.08 | Walex | metallic: not quite either. |
| 15:20.15 | metallic | Walex, I have just done it |
| 15:20.27 | Walex | metallic: you only think that you have done it. |
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| 15:20.44 | metallic | and now my current user can modify software and so |
| 15:20.48 | Walex | metallic: have did you do it? (I can always learn :->) |
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| 15:21.31 | metallic | system setting -> user accounts. Then select your user account and change the "account type" Walex :/ |
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| 15:22.17 | metallic | I think I must read more on this matter, I did not think it would yield this fuzz XD |
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| 15:23.31 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:23.52 | eptalon | the more recent versions of iceweasel (31ish) are extremely unstable. |
| 15:24.04 | Walex | metallic: if you did as in http://askubuntu.com/questions/66718/how-to-manage-users-and-groups that did not do what you think it did |
| 15:24.18 | eptalon | and iceweasel closes after a few secs, to half a minute |
| 15:24.49 | neurosis | metallic are you running Debian? |
| 15:24.56 | metallic | right now |
| 15:25.00 | neurosis | yes |
| 15:25.06 | consus | Guys |
| 15:25.11 | Walex | metallic: again, your questions seem based on a rather fundamental set of misunderstandings (undertandable, as Ubuntu and most GNU/Linux tutorials are very misleading on this). |
| 15:25.36 | consus | Anyone uses kernel 3.10 and later? I want .config or /proc/config.gz. |
| 15:25.50 | metallic | neurosis, it was not a question XD I meant I am running Debian right now |
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| 15:26.37 | neurosis | cool |
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| 15:27.09 | Walex | metallic: for a rude introduction, please consider reading http://linux.die.net/man/7/capabilities |
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| 15:28.02 | Walex | or perhaps also https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.2/capfaq-0.2.txt |
| 15:28.14 | eptalon | icewasel produces a segfault, in the three most "current" versions |
| 15:28.20 | neurosis | Walex the user setup is different then ubnutu in Debian |
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| 15:29.17 | Walex | neurosis: but that has no effect on the question. The only real difference is whether the 'root' account can be logged into or not. |
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| 15:29.34 | neurosis | true |
| 15:30.01 | Walex | neurosis: in Debian by default the 'root' account can be logged into directly; in Ubuntu by default the 'root' account cannot be logged into directly. |
| 15:31.04 | neurosis | On the initial install in ubnutu your only require one user. But in Debian you setup root and user. I can see that it get confusing to people |
| 15:31.08 | neurosis | true |
| 15:31.13 | eptalon | is it possible to report a bug using a web interface? |
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| 15:31.19 | qman__ | actually the user setup is basically the same - if you elect not to set a root password during debian install, it configures it exactly the same as ubuntu does |
| 15:31.28 | Walex | neurosis: but you know that. What "matallic" and the others don't get is the difference between account and uid, the special role of uid 0 in UNIX, the capabilities assigned by default to UID 0 in Linux, and the effect that either have on process access rights. |
| 15:31.29 | qman__ | ubuntu just does not ask you for a root password during install |
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| 15:32.08 | neurosis | shit i did not know that |
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| 15:33.16 | neurosis | see i run debian and ubnutu and on the install of debian i put in a root and user |
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| 15:33.53 | Walex | neurosis: sure, that is how it looks like because of several layers of abstraction, but that is not how it works. |
| 15:34.16 | neurosis | got u |
| 15:35.10 | unclezipper | Does anybody know where I can figure out why Firefox removed a bunch of CA's from their trusted CA list? |
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| 15:35.23 | irina- | Hi, i use lightdm in debian+xfce ... i add on /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf , autologin-user=marketing , autologin-user-timeout ..i reboot but not log in |
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| 15:36.02 | Walex | what really matters is that the process doing the work have got the "super" permissions, either by having (effective) uid 0 in UNIX or having the right capabilities in Linux (which means by default having effective uid 0). How a process gets to have (effective) uid 0 is where Debian and Ubuntu differ slightly. |
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| 15:36.19 | Roenie | user=marketing? RUNNNnn |
| 15:36.35 | Walex | unclezipper: I think that Mozilla has a changelog or blog where they explained that. |
| 15:36.57 | unclezipper | Walex: Yeah... I can't seem to find it though. I'll keep looking |
| 15:37.04 | Walex | unclezipper: also, there are essentially no really "trusted" CAs :-) |
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| 15:37.42 | unclezipper | Ok, "temporarily-given-the-benefit-of-the-doubt" CAs :P |
| 15:37.43 | irina- | Roenie, ? |
| 15:38.15 | Walex | unclezipper: it is more "CAs that are so popular that it would be too much hassle for user to pretend to trust them explicitly" :-) |
| 15:38.42 | unclezipper | Oh, societal semantics... |
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| 15:39.18 | Roenie | marketing... the epitome of aberrant, destructive human behaviour in serving of the equally destructive and idiotic fraudulent monetary system |
| 15:39.32 | Roenie | hence, RUNNNnn |
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| 15:40.00 | irina- | Roenie, :)) |
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| 15:40.27 | irina- | how o fix my problem with autologin in xfce |
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| 15:40.33 | Doxin | I'd like to change my desktop background every second or so, but using feh uses up all my xserver connections after a while. I'm using i3 as window manager. anyone got any pointers? |
| 15:41.00 | Roenie | every second? :o |
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| 15:41.07 | Doxin | Roenie: I want a clock |
| 15:41.26 | Walex | Doxin: that is *very expensive* as you have discovered. |
| 15:41.32 | Doxin | well yeah |
| 15:41.46 | Doxin | but how else am I supposed to have a clock as desktop bg? |
| 15:41.55 | Walex | Doxin: because you can only load IIRC *uncompressed* images to the background. |
| 15:42.08 | Doxin | Walex: that's hardly a problem |
| 15:42.27 | Doxin | Walex: a single 2560x1440 image isn't going to take up too many resources |
| 15:42.41 | Walex | Doxin: use a clock application that *draws* a clock and runs on the same host as the X server... |
| 15:42.49 | unclezipper | Can i3 use .svg files for a wallpaper? |
| 15:42.50 | Roenie | perhaps there's a package out there that lets you put a web page as your bg, using browser code? |
| 15:42.52 | grobda24 | How do I reinstall grub2 ? I installed Windows 7 and lost the grub boot menu. I booted on a live distro. Do I just run "update-grub" ? |
| 15:43.15 | Doxin | Walex: problem is that the clock I want to use is my own little program. if you know a better way to display a cairo surface as a bg feel free to tell me |
| 15:43.15 | Roenie | that could update *itself* |
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| 15:43.34 | Doxin | unclezipper: i3 doesn't do backgrounds at all |
| 15:43.35 | Walex | Doxin: ahahahahahaha. That's a very special case. |
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| 15:44.01 | Doxin | Walex: I've got a good reason to use my own clock program though |
| 15:44.17 | Roenie | it's the only way you ever show up anywhere on time? |
| 15:44.24 | Walex | Doxin: it also depends on which background, whether it is the real "root" window, or one of the virtual backgrounds used by many desktop environments. |
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| 15:44.42 | Roenie | (I get that a lot) |
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| 15:45.22 | Doxin | Walex: I've got no idea what i3 does, but feh works which finaggles the root window afaik |
| 15:45.25 | Walex | Doxin: I don't know whether Cairo can do that, but you could try to program it to accept an arbitrary window-id for its drawing surfaxce. |
| 15:45.53 | Walex | Doxin: sure, but very slowly as you have discovered. |
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| 15:46.05 | Doxin | Walex: slowness isn't the problem even |
| 15:46.24 | Doxin | Walex: just that at some point programs refuse to start because x is out of available connections |
| 15:46.26 | Walex | Doxin: your problem is bandwidth, that is slowness. Or else I misunderstood a lot. |
| 15:46.34 | Doxin | Walex: you misunderstood |
| 15:46.34 | Walex | Doxin: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:46.41 | Doxin | Walex: it goes very well for a couple hours |
| 15:46.46 | Doxin | and then X just gives up :P |
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| 15:46.58 | Walex | Doxin: 'xrestop' will show you terrible numbers... |
| 15:47.16 | Doxin | probably :P |
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| 15:47.23 | Walex | Doxin: then obviously there is a bug in either 'feh' or your program, where you don't release 'xlib' handles. |
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| 15:47.56 | Doxin | Walex: I'm guessing in feh, my program doesn't even touch X |
| 15:48.03 | Doxin | but I might have found a way to do this |
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| 15:48.40 | Walex | Doxin: if you want to display something on the root window you should be doing that directly in your program... |
| 15:48.49 | Doxin | Walex: I know |
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| 15:49.39 | Walex | Doxin: I just did a search with terms like "cairo "root window" display" and I got several relevant hits... |
| 15:49.44 | Doxin | yeah me too |
| 15:49.49 | Doxin | I did google this before |
| 15:49.55 | Doxin | at least I think I did :I |
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| 15:50.04 | Walex | Doxin: so it is just *your laziness* :-) |
| 15:50.09 | Doxin | well no |
| 15:50.15 | Doxin | Walex: it's my spotty memory :P |
| 15:50.31 | Walex | http://onesoney.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/root-window-in-cairo-graphics.html |
| 15:51.10 | Walex | it is verbose like uses of most X Windows APIs, but largely boilerplate... |
| 15:52.11 | Walex | unclezipper: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/09/08/phasing-out-certificates-with-1024-bit-rsa-keys/ may be what you are looking for |
| 15:52.28 | Walex | unclezipper: looks recent enough. There have been previous removals... |
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| 15:54.04 | Walex | unclezipper: in the Mozilla blog under the "security" tag: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/ I also found: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/09/23/phasing-out-certificates-with-sha-1-based-signature-algorithms/ which is more recent |
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| 15:58.55 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:59.16 | eptalon | I do have a probably grave bug in iceweasel, which dies on sigsegv... |
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| 16:01.36 | somiaj | eptalon: is this in jessie/sid, I recall seeing a grave bug about segfaluts and javascript in the current package in sid |
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| 16:03.04 | eptalon | somiaj: yes. |
| 16:03.18 | eptalon | somiaj: so it has already been reported? |
| 16:03.33 | eptalon | I ran an strace, which I can attacj |
| 16:03.40 | ompaul | !bugs |
| 16:03.43 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 16:03.49 | ompaul | !bug |
| 16:03.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 16:04.16 | somiaj | eptalon: check bugs.debian.org/iceweasel -- but yes I do recall seing such a bug with apt-listbugs and installing incewesel lastnight, so you should be able to find it (provided it really is the same issue) |
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| 16:07.46 | eptalon | somiaj: at first sight, nothing. |
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| 16:09.02 | Guest43678 | Hi, is there any project to package Gentoo's eudev for debian ? |
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| 16:09.35 | somiaj | eptalon: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=704019 -- gotta look a little harder, it was under grave bugs. (: |
| 16:09.48 | syamo | thx ! :) |
| 16:10.01 | syamo | oops soory it was not to me |
| 16:10.14 | somiaj | ,eudev |
| 16:10.21 | somiaj | ,v eudev |
| 16:10.22 | judd | No package named 'eudev' was found in i386. |
| 16:10.47 | syamo | but, nobody started anything yet ? even in intention ? |
| 16:11.07 | eptalon | somiaj: that bug is far too old, also version of iceweasel doesn't match. |
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| 16:13.10 | somiaj | syamo: doesn't look like it |
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| 16:13.31 | somiaj | eptalon: didn't notce that, just notice it got a hit from apt-listbugs. Maybe you have another issue then. |
| 16:15.42 | eptalon | somiaj: just submitted, waiting for bug number |
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| 16:26.10 | syamo | anyone to mentor me if I make eudev deb ? |
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| 16:28.43 | mentor | syamo: Maybe try irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-mentors |
| 16:28.50 | eptalon | somiaj: 765961 |
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| 16:33.22 | lol | hi |
| 16:33.32 | eptalon | hello |
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| 16:33.51 | lol | if I want to install Debian to an external Hard Drive? do I need a Grub for it? |
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| 16:34.04 | lol | and how do I isntall? the same way as installing on local hard drive? |
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| 16:39.31 | shay_shay | Is Jessie freeze date getting pushed back because of systems controversy? |
| 16:39.38 | shay_shay | SyatemD |
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| 16:40.11 | shay_shay | Darn it SystemD :D |
| 16:40.33 | Walex | lol: yes and yes. |
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| 16:42.00 | shay_shay | Darn it |
| 16:42.29 | SynrGy | nobody answered your question |
| 16:42.47 | shay_shay | Oh I didn't see lol was a nick |
| 16:42.59 | shay_shay | That's a poor choice for a nick |
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| 16:43.23 | SynrGy | so far as i can see, we're exactly on track for the freeze: |
| 16:43.30 | SynrGy | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/10/msg00001.html |
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| 16:44.01 | lol | its a good choice |
| 16:44.08 | kerneloopz | what other distros have tested systemd before Debian? It seems like Debian is the first big one |
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| 16:45.06 | shay_shay | Fedora, OpenSuSE, Arch and Mageia |
| 16:45.12 | lol | is it better to make 2 partitions : /boot and / , or is better only 1 : / ? |
| 16:45.19 | kerneloopz | one |
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| 16:45.47 | shay_shay | Kerneloopz those are all big |
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| 16:46.10 | shay_shay | Oh... I need more caffine |
| 16:46.22 | shay_shay | Getting easily confused by lol |
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| 16:47.24 | nkuttler | shay_shay: unless you encrypt / there's no point for /boot imo.. maybe if you like toying with filesystems.. |
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| 16:47.59 | kerneloopz | there are really two popular choices: / and /home, and just / |
| 16:48.45 | shay_shay | I use /boot or /boot/efi because I keep / on a btrfs subvolume and its not nice to move your bootloaders files around all the time |
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| 16:50.32 | kerneloopz | hmm. That seems pretty extreme |
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| 16:51.00 | nkuttler | shay_shay: oops. that was meant for lol.. |
| 16:51.03 | shay_shay | Well snapshots of / subvolume are bootable |
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| 16:51.15 | shay_shay | So its pretty useful kerneloopz |
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| 16:52.17 | shay_shay | nkuttler: I know :) |
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| 16:52.54 | kerneloopz | shay_shay: what's your opinion on btrfs? Would you say that it's stable? |
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| 16:54.43 | lol | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 16:54.44 | lol | cya |
| 16:54.44 | shay_shay | Yeah it's fine. I even switched my NAD from zfs raid z2 to btrfs raid 10 |
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| 16:55.00 | kerneloopz | hmm |
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| 16:55.52 | alreece45 | Last I tried btrfs, it seemed to have issues (just slowness) editing larger files (vm images, databases, etc). Is that still a concern? |
| 16:57.19 | kerneloopz | I'm still clinging to ext4 like everyone else, but I'll switch if btfs is stable enough and has enough advantages to justify the switch |
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| 16:58.47 | shay_shay | It's been pretty solid for me, YMMV. SSD is recommended ofc. You can disable compression and COW per file or per directory if you want |
| 16:59.37 | shay_shay | So e.g. you can disable certain options on your VM directory so you won't have those issues. Although I haven't been practicing that and my VMs work fine (on SSD) |
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| 16:59.58 | shay_shay | I'm not benchmarking it either because I don't notice a problem |
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| 17:01.32 | alreece45 | shay_shay: It was just a notable difference at the time, haven't come across much advice to adjust CoW settings, so that's nice to learn. I'll probably try btrfs on my workstation install this week, since I have the opportunity.. |
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| 17:04.44 | shay_shay | If you want to boot from top level subvol you need this in cmdline: rootflags=subvol=@ (where @ is subvol name) |
| 17:05.06 | shay_shay | And this in fstab mount options: subvol=@ |
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| 17:06.23 | armin | http://debianfork.org/ o.O |
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| 17:07.06 | eptalon | can anyone suggest a replacement for the currently broken firefox in sid, ideally playing flash? |
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| 17:07.10 | shay_shay | Oh gosh |
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| 17:08.53 | alreece45 | eptalon: firefox? why not iceweasel? |
| 17:09.21 | eptalon | alreece45: actually iceweasel, diewsa on segmentation fault |
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| 17:10.36 | a3 | exit |
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| 17:12.29 | alreece45 | eptalon: I installed 33.0-1 the other day from experimental, flash seems to work (11.2 on youtube, at least) |
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| 17:13.14 | eptalon | alreece45: I have 31.1, and 33.0 die on me with a segfault. |
| 17:13.53 | SUMEDHE5DMS | Hello. I installed debian 7 CD. But there is no GUI. Why? |
| 17:14.00 | alreece45 | for any flash plugin, eptalon? |
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| 17:14.37 | eptalon | alreece45: no idea, I didn't have the impression it was related to flash |
| 17:15.00 | SUMEDHE5DMS | I has only command line interface. |
| 17:15.15 | eptalon | SUMEDHE5DMS: then install a gui? |
| 17:15.22 | SUMEDHE5DMS | How? |
| 17:15.34 | shingouz | !tell SUMEDHE5DMS about install x |
| 17:15.49 | eptalon | SUMEDHE5DMS: apt-get install xfce, apt-get install kde, ... as root |
| 17:15.50 | shingouz | SUMEDHE5DMS: read what dpkg tells you... |
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| 17:16.33 | alreece45 | eptalon: 33.1? I was about to try installing it, but apt only found 33.0-2 |
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| 17:16.36 | SUMEDHE5DMS | After that will it open in gui? |
| 17:16.37 | day | im using uim+anthy. Japanese input works in terminals but not in graphical applications. ANY idea, what might cause it? |
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| 17:17.48 | shingouz | SUMEDHE5DMS: depends if you install a display manager at the same time. if you do, it will automagically start your gui, if you did not install a dm, you willl need to start X with startx |
| 17:18.01 | eptalon | alreece45: 31.1.0esr-1,esr2 |
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| 17:18.51 | eptalon | alreece45: 31.2 is also around |
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| 17:19.36 | slaeshjag | So uh. I got a touchscreen on my laptop, but I can't get X11 to use it. it shows up as two devices in xinput, and cat /dev/input/mouse0 while poking the screen gives output. Any hints? |
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| 17:21.38 | alreece45 | eptalon: All three versions seem to launch on my amd64 install |
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| 17:42.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there a way to apply only critical (e.g. security) updates, more or less automatically? |
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| 17:44.58 | Walex | Eduard_Munteanu: yes. |
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| 17:45.36 | nickoe | Hello. Why is there no gpsd command anymore in debian (jessie)? There is something with systemctl, but no normal binary. |
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| 17:46.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Walex, how? Are the new packages tagged somehow? |
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| 17:46.14 | Epakai | Eduard_Munteanu: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 17:46.24 | Walex | nickoe: irc.debian.org channel #Debian-next |
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| 17:46.48 | nickoe | Walex: ok. |
| 17:47.02 | nickoe | hmm it exists in sbin |
| 17:47.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Epakai, hm, but would that also upgrade in case of more drastic changes? I'm primarily aiming for Jessie here, so things aren't quite frozen. |
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| 17:48.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | Maybe I should ask #debian-next too. |
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| 17:49.30 | Walex | Eduard_Munteanu: irc.debian.org #Debian-next also note that automatic updates outside the 'stable' archive is something for brave advanced developer, and if you are such an advanced developer you already know. |
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| 18:05.31 | nbb | Guys, I've got question about iptables/shorewall and strange UDP traffic. My shorewall is configured to drop everything except ssh, and a lot of valid udp traffic is dropped, but `tcpdump "udp"` see every 30s 69.28.83.11.17500 > 69.28.83.255.17500: [bad udp cksum 0x31cf -> 0xf178!] UDP, length 115. It's vps, and this traffic is some broadcast, but not from my subnet xD any advice? |
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| 18:10.17 | Stevie-O | gah, I managed to get myself a bad initramfs (it hangs after "Loading initial ramdisk ..."), how do I get a prompt to rebuild it |
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| 18:10.58 | trampel | basichash: perhaps: sudo apt-get install xfonts-terminus ...? |
| 18:12.12 | basichash | trampel: says its already installed, but when looking through profile preferences i can't find it |
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| 18:15.45 | Knaldgas | I've made something stupid with my Jessie: vlc has stopped displaying video (audio seems ok though). Launching from command line gives: "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: ...", I'm on Intel Integrated Graphics. |
| 18:15.57 | Knaldgas | Any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 18:16.17 | phy1729 | nbb: it's dropbox |
| 18:16.22 | stojic | basichash: Do you see any output when you run 'fc-list | grep Terminus' ? |
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| 18:17.46 | MrJones | "ERROR: The certificate of `bitbucket.org' hasn't got a known issuer." says wget |
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| 18:17.57 | MrJones | the browser is happy. do I lack a package for known certificate authorities? |
| 18:17.58 | trampel | basichash: and if you don't see anything like stojic has suggested (possibly with a '-i' in the grep) then consider if you have in your "/usr/share/fonts/local" associated with FontPath in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:17.59 | basichash | stojic: yeah |
| 18:18.06 | nbb | phy1729: thanks, I thought Dropbox uses TCP. Why it's not dropped by Shorewall (for example: ntp/dns and others are dropped, and not visible in tcpdump). Any idea? |
| 18:19.08 | phy1729 | pretty sure it's Dropbox's LAN sync discovery packet |
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| 18:20.47 | stojic | basichash: Hm, do you have a symbolic link /etc/fonts/conf.d/50-enable-terminus.conf -> ../conf.avail/50-enable-terminus.conf ? |
| 18:20.50 | rozie | nbb: tcpdump will show traffic on incoming iface no matter if it is dropped by iptables or not |
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| 18:21.56 | Stevie-O | hrm, apparently, when I have an external USB drive plugged in, grub2 hangs at "loading initial ramdisk" |
| 18:22.36 | Walex | Stevie-O: "doctor if I stab my hand with a fork it really hurt, can you cure that?" |
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| 18:23.02 | Stevie-O | Walex: Yes, but stabbing your hand with a fork is not using a fork the way it was designed to be used. |
| 18:23.33 | rozie | Stevie-O: do you use uuid in grub? |
| 18:23.34 | Walex | Stevie-O: your USB drive was not designed to be a boot drive? |
| 18:23.50 | Stevie-O | Walex: It was designed to be plugged into the computer |
| 18:24.05 | Stevie-O | and rozie: I thought I was? How can I tell? |
| 18:24.06 | Walex | Stevie-O: and to be booted from therefore... |
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| 18:24.45 | Stevie-O | rozie: or more precisley: how do I make grub2 use uuid |
| 18:25.07 | rozie | grep -i uuid /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:25.15 | rozie | will tell you the truth |
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| 18:26.31 | Stevie-O | lots of lines that begin with "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid" |
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| 18:26.54 | Stevie-O | although I also see lines that say "hd0,gpt2" |
| 18:27.00 | Stevie-O | actually they're all the same lines |
| 18:27.23 | rozie | egrep -i linux.*uuid /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:27.38 | rozie | egrep -i linux.*sd /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:28.18 | Stevie-O | no matches on either? |
| 18:28.26 | beepie | is thre a guide on how I can create the source package? (I've got the the patch archive and the original kernel source.) http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
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| 18:29.32 | rozie | Stevie-O: so you probably don't use uuids |
| 18:29.43 | Stevie-O | okay, how do I convince it to use uuids |
| 18:30.16 | rozie | check /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:30.27 | rozie | #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true |
| 18:30.36 | beepie | you dont edit the grub.cfg, there's an uuid enable option in the /etc/default/grub |
| 18:30.47 | beepie | (you use update-grub to regenerate the grub.cfg) |
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| 18:30.52 | rozie | it was enabled by default long time ago |
| 18:30.59 | rozie | so can't remember |
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| 18:31.49 | Stevie-O | #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true |
| 18:31.53 | nbb | rozie: ok, but why Shorewall logs 'Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN.. PROTO=UDP SPT=59498 DPT=123" but not this traffic from dropbox? Is it tropped ealier (before logging) because of invalid checksum? |
| 18:31.57 | Stevie-O | that line exists and is commented out exactly like that |
| 18:32.18 | beepie | the line before that would say # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux |
| 18:32.23 | beepie | so uuid is set to default |
| 18:32.46 | beepie | but you'll also see UUID in the generated grub.cfg |
| 18:33.03 | beepie | if you don't then something is wrong |
| 18:33.28 | rozie | nbb: don't understand the problem |
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| 18:40.03 | nbb | rozie:Shorewall have to drop and log all traffic. For some similar pockets (udp/123) it does it, for other it doesn't (udp/17500 from dropbox with invalid checksums). I try to figure out why? |
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| 18:41.11 | rozie | I guess it may have some rules for logging. and for established connections. but don't know shorewall |
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| 18:42.14 | nbb | rozie: yep, thanks anyway. |
| 18:42.31 | rozie | check for established and related rules |
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| 18:47.12 | nbb | rozie: I use only new rules. Logging is set at last policy rule: all all DROP info. It should be imo treated equally. |
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| 18:53.18 | beepie | i need help with a patch to a kernel source.. someone available? |
| 18:53.55 | Dev0n | Anyone here use psad? I'm wondering how you could reduce the number of email that come through. For example, there bots that scan for MS ports which isn't much use on a linux machine |
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| 18:54.04 | Dev0n | just crazy amount of emails coming through |
| 18:54.05 | beepie | i'm using this http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.17~rc5-1~exp1/ , and would like to create the kernel source debian package, ( http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html does not tell ) |
| 18:54.05 | evilman_home | beepie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBrBBImJt4 |
| 18:54.44 | beepie | that link is outdated |
| 18:54.54 | beepie | !make-kpkg |
| 18:54.54 | dpkg | make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms. |
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| 18:56.59 | beepie | !ops evilman_home trolling |
| 18:56.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: beepie complains about: evilman_home trolling |
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| 19:02.21 | G66K | hello everyone |
| 19:02.28 | G66K | im facing a little problem right here |
| 19:02.29 | G66K | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.42 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:02.54 | G66K | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.57 | DexterF | just ran upgrade on my deb7 box, cannot ssh into it anymore |
| 19:03.02 | DexterF | connection reset by pper |
| 19:03.04 | DexterF | peer |
| 19:03.07 | DexterF | pointers? |
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| 19:04.13 | DexterF | opensshd is running. I noticed there was an openssl upgrade. |
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| 19:11.15 | DexterF | !bug |
| 19:11.16 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 19:14.15 | DexterF | tailing auth.log I don't even see anything coming in when I attempt to ssh |
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| 19:16.07 | Brigo | G66K, are you in wheezy? |
| 19:16.27 | Brigo | DexterF, firewall? |
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| 19:16.43 | DexterF | Brigo: didnt have one before on that machien |
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| 19:16.53 | G66K | Brigo, yes |
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| 19:17.35 | Brigo | DexterF, netstat -putanl list the ssh ? |
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| 19:17.42 | Brigo | ,v steam |
| 19:17.43 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; experimental/non-free: 1.0.0.49-2 |
| 19:18.00 | Brigo | G66K, there is no steam for wheezy on debian. |
| 19:18.22 | G66K | Brigo, i have download it from official website |
| 19:18.23 | DexterF | Brigo: yes. there's fail2ban, but that should not intervene on one ssh login |
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| 19:19.17 | Brigo | G66K,i know https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy , but have never tried it. |
| 19:19.17 | DexterF | Brigo: gah. it IS fail2ban |
| 19:19.24 | DexterF | disabled, login |
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| 19:19.48 | Brigo | DexterF, look at fail2ban log log |
| 19:20.23 | Brigo | ,v libc6 |
| 19:20.24 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; jessie: 2.19-11; sid: 2.19-11 |
| 19:20.53 | Brigo | G66K, there is no libc6 2.15 in debian. |
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| 19:22.02 | DexterF | fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Ban 192.168.0.32, Brigo. the machine I sshed from has a new IP address, could be that, I#ll tinker it back to original, but still it does not really tell me *why* it banned the IP in the first place |
| 19:22.17 | richac | for some reason i can only use the update manager as root now lol |
| 19:22.39 | Brigo | DexterF, afaik it should not. |
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| 19:22.58 | DexterF | I have a remote x11vnc-ssh tunnel script that retries connecting every second until x11vnc is ready, tho... maybe x11vnc broke, it occasionally needs to be adapted to new X!! auth methid |
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| 19:23.18 | Dev0n | should I keep my SSH port below 1024? |
| 19:23.24 | DexterF | (and all I wanted is wath some TV with my meda center) |
| 19:23.58 | DexterF | (whoa. scuse my typing.) |
| 19:24.19 | Dev0n | I read somewhere that anything above is a risk because a normal user could mind to ssh port an intercept, however, most portscan from bots covers this range |
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| 19:24.28 | Dev0n | so if I make it higher, less likly to be caught? |
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| 19:25.33 | rww | just leave it at 22, keep your sshd up to date, and use key authentication |
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| 19:28.16 | richac | http://pastebin.com/LqaVbDRj would these security issues affect me if i'm not on a server? |
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| 19:29.05 | Monotoko | Tell me if there's somewhere better to ask this, but I have a VM on a box that's connected using winbind to Active Directory - if I want to clone this box, how would I ensure the deployed clone is connected to AD too under a different name? |
| 19:29.24 | Monotoko | without doing it manually... |
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| 19:31.22 | edoardo | hello |
| 19:31.33 | edoardo | can you read me? |
| 19:31.40 | edoardo | dpkg: ? |
| 19:31.40 | dpkg | edoardo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:31.41 | fggflskso | in my appartment, I have access to FON wifi networks from my neighbours. Does there exist a technology to combine ethernet and wifi to increase internet speeds? Is there a manual for this? I don't want failover using network bonding. I only want increased speeds. |
| 19:31.46 | edoardo | perfect |
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| 19:32.09 | edoardo | can i install debian on a usb key? |
| 19:32.32 | edoardo | i don't care if it's slow, i need to run mplayer2 on a computer to get a live stream but i can't install debian on it |
| 19:32.51 | edoardo | and the win version of mplayer doesn't work as well as the debian version |
| 19:33.00 | rozie | edoardo: yes, but flash is not very good for / by default |
| 19:33.12 | edoardo | rozie: what would you suggest? |
| 19:33.35 | frostschutz | edoardo, yes, although you might have to add a rootwait or rootdelay parameter. or you could use any live distro that comes with mplayer... |
| 19:33.38 | rozie | you can make / read only |
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| 19:34.13 | rozie | https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot |
| 19:34.15 | edoardo | is / read/wrote continuously? |
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| 19:35.25 | jhutchins | edoardo: You're better off using a live image and remastering it as necessary. |
| 19:35.51 | jhutchins | edoardo: Most of the live images use squashfs which is faster and more flexible, and they optimize everything to run in RAM. |
| 19:36.39 | rozie | does Debian live have option to build squashfs? |
| 19:36.52 | rozie | (just can't remember) |
| 19:37.00 | edoardo | http://cgi.build.live-systems.org/cgi-bin/live-build |
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| 19:37.04 | edoardo | what about this? |
| 19:37.06 | jhutchins | rozie: Not a point and click, but all the tools are available. |
| 19:37.19 | jhutchins | edoardo: That's a good option. |
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| 19:37.28 | knob | Hello everyone. n00b question: I am looking at this Debian download page for the torrents.... Why are there 3 DVDs listed? Can I make do with DVD1? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 19:39.01 | rozie | knob: will you have internet access during installation? |
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| 19:39.49 | rozie | try netiso if so |
| 19:39.52 | jhutchins | knob: There are some 30,000 packages available. They're supposedly listed in order of popularity, so most people only need the first DVD. |
| 19:40.02 | rozie | no need to download everything |
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| 19:41.30 | shingouz | !tell knob about netinstall |
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| 19:43.10 | knob | rozie, yes |
| 19:43.23 | edoardo | can't find a way to add these two packages to the live image |
| 19:43.25 | knob | Thanks jhutchins , that makes sense |
| 19:43.34 | edoardo | i might try with the opensuse builder |
| 19:43.36 | knob | shingouz, the bot did wan't to cooperate... he's out for Sunday |
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| 19:45.15 | basichash | Guys theres no internet icon anymore i cant connect to my wireless plz help |
| 19:45.37 | Sky_ | Whats the name of that program that runs in textmode and allows you to browse and install packages? |
| 19:45.49 | Sky_ | like a curses style program |
| 19:45.53 | basichash | I was installing some openbox package and then it just disappeared. Resetting the machine does nothing |
| 19:45.55 | Epakai | aptitude |
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| 19:46.32 | basichash | Really need help |
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| 19:47.53 | Epakai | did you remove networkmanager? |
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| 19:48.58 | basichash | Epakai, not that i know of |
| 19:49.19 | Epakai | or perhaps your notification area has been disabled/removed |
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| 19:50.06 | basichash | Epakai, any idea how to fix it. |
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| 19:51.49 | Epakai | well, what desktop environment are you running, and what is "some openbox package"? check if there is a 'nm-applet' process running while you're at it. |
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| 19:52.37 | drumr | can someone take a look at the driver installation text from cli to help me figure out what may be wrong |
| 19:52.53 | Inquiring_Jars | ask questions |
| 19:53.29 | drumr | http://pastebin.com/EUasnQfy |
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| 19:53.49 | drumr | i was able to do this successfully in wheezy |
| 19:53.57 | drumr | but having issues in jessie |
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| 19:54.12 | drumr | i have the firnmware installed from the non free repo |
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| 19:54.59 | drumr | supposedly when that was installed there may have been a driver installed but i cannot do iwlist wlan0 scan without getting a cant find interface error |
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| 19:56.06 | basichash | Im running gnome, how do i check the process. |
| 19:56.47 | basichash | Epakai, says nmapplet not installed |
| 19:56.57 | Epakai | uh, just run nm-applet. see if the network icon shows up |
| 19:57.15 | basichash | Says i need to indtall networkmanagergnome |
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| 19:57.25 | akp | hello. i am trying to figure out how to use the /etc/security/limits.d/ folder to set some limits. i am trying to set the core file sizes to unlimited with this line |
| 19:57.29 | akp | * hard coreunlimited |
| 19:57.30 | Epakai | there you go, network manager was removed |
| 19:57.36 | akp | but that doesn't seem to work, any advice? |
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| 19:57.57 | basichash | Epakai but how can i install it with no internet connection? |
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| 20:04.04 | Epakai | basichash: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line walks you through configuring wireless manually, wired connection would be simpler, or simple download and copy files with a flash drive |
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| 20:40.05 | blackswan | can i ask a a stupid question? i mean, besides this one |
| 20:40.18 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: if it's debian related, go right ahead. |
| 20:40.29 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: it certainly is |
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| 20:40.55 | blackswan | and i could figure it out but i have complicated things going on right now |
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| 20:41.08 | blackswan | so i'm having a problem with the isync package |
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| 20:41.35 | blackswan | and i want to build it with debugging symbols and not have them stripped |
| 20:42.14 | blackswan | either "env DEB_CFLAGS_SET="-g" dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" isn't cutting it or i am confused |
| 20:42.34 | blackswan | and i could easily be confused because my life is a bit of a disaster right now |
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| 20:42.48 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" should work. |
| 20:42.57 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
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| 20:43.05 | blackswan | even if that doesn't do shit, thank you |
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| 20:43.33 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: no problem; nostrip tells dh_strip not to strip the binaries; you might have to give a -g option. |
| 20:43.52 | blackswan | i apologize for asking for help. i'm perfectly capable of figuring this out, but... stuff and things happen. |
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| 20:44.04 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: that's what this channel is for; no worries. |
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| 20:44.17 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: i do not use it lightly. |
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| 20:45.13 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: if nostrip doesn't work, it's a bug; let me know. |
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| 20:46.42 | dondelelcaro | (you might still need to use -g, though; hopefully packages give that by default) |
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| 20:46.56 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: i will hunt you down and... um... present you with evidence? |
| 20:47.10 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: or just file the bug against iscan, yeah. |
| 20:47.21 | blackswan | there is that |
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| 20:48.05 | incal | anyone knows a tutorial how to trigger an interrupt as a result of some hardware event with the perf tool (or code)? |
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| 20:48.28 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: well, i did it and i seem to have an unstripped binary installed, so thanks |
| 20:48.49 | dondelelcaro | blackswan: no problem |
| 20:48.50 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: and i have family things to do now |
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| 20:49.39 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: i'm familiar with the feeling of having that crucial piece of information that makes somebody's life way easier (for the moment) |
| 20:50.00 | blackswan | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:55.18 | rakma2 | Does anybody know where 'sudoers' group is by default on Debian 7? |
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| 20:57.04 | Dreamix | sudoers group? |
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| 20:57.33 | rakma2 | Yeah, if you want to allow a normal member to use 'sudo' |
| 20:57.40 | rakma2 | Isn't sudo just an 'admin' group? |
| 20:57.46 | rakma2 | Sorry I come from the windows world O_o |
| 20:57.48 | rakma2 | I come in peace |
| 20:58.13 | richac | rakma2: you have to use a command visudo |
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| 20:58.20 | Dreamix | sure rakma2 :) |
| 20:58.23 | richac | then add the commands you want to be able to use sudo with |
| 20:58.39 | Dreamix | you have to define such, none is by default |
| 20:59.09 | richac | underneath root add username ALL=/usr/bin/w/e command |
| 20:59.33 | richac | or w/e path to w/e command you want to use |
| 20:59.44 | heurist | rakma2: there is a "sudo" group that you can add users too, often that is allowed to in the sudoers file. run getent group | grep sudo to see if that group exists and who is in it. |
| 20:59.47 | rakma2 | Well basically, I'm working help desk at a decent sized organization. My boss wants me to create a sFTP server on debian (again, we are pure windows, this is the first time we've considered linux) |
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| 21:00.02 | richac | on fedora its the wheel group I think |
| 21:00.04 | rakma2 | The first thing my boss will say is (we shouldn't be running as admin) |
| 21:00.30 | richac | lol |
| 21:00.49 | rakma2 | yeah, he also doesn't know anything about linux lel |
| 21:00.58 | rakma2 | Anyways... visudo doesn't work. it say's command not found |
| 21:01.03 | Dev0n | hey, is duplicitiy still the recommended way to do remote backups? |
| 21:01.10 | richac | rakma2: you have to run it as root |
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| 21:01.38 | rakma2 | richac: Why is that? |
| 21:02.05 | richac | for security purposes I guess, so noone else can edit the sudoers |
| 21:02.12 | Neon | So the libc6 package contains the libm.so.6, which contains the glibc. How can I find out which version of the glibc is in my libc6 package? And is there a chance to get a package for Squeeze with the glibc >= 2.15? |
| 21:02.38 | heurist | Neon: no chance |
| 21:02.49 | rakma2 | richac: Sorry.. again I come from windows. In windows there is a default admin account. Best practice is to disable the admin account |
| 21:02.55 | dondelelcaro | Neon: dpkg -l libc6; will give you the version. |
| 21:02.57 | rakma2 | richac: So that's his mentality in this XD |
| 21:02.59 | dondelelcaro | ,versions libc6 |
| 21:03.00 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; jessie: 2.19-11; sid: 2.19-11 |
| 21:03.17 | richac | rakma2: right but just like windows, some things still have to be run as root. so uac is kind of like sudo |
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| 21:03.46 | Neon | dondelelcaro: So the libc6 version == glibc version? |
| 21:03.47 | Dreamix | rakma2: firstly you have to ensure that you got a sudo already installed :) |
| 21:03.55 | rakma2 | :O!!! |
| 21:04.08 | rakma2 | Dreamix: how can i verify this? by trying to sudo something? |
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| 21:04.14 | Dreamix | dpkg -l |grep -i sudo |
| 21:04.15 | dpkg | ii |grep -i sudo 2.1-11 dreamix's private stamp collection |
| 21:04.31 | rakma2 | ;o kk |
| 21:04.53 | Neon | If that were the case it'd mean that even Wheezy has no glibc 2.15 |
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| 21:05.01 | rakma2 | Dreamix: nothign was returned |
| 21:05.03 | heurist | Neon: correct |
| 21:05.23 | Dreamix | then, no sudo installed on your system |
| 21:05.32 | Dreamix | rakma2: apt-get install sudo :) |
| 21:05.46 | Dreamix | without the ":)" ofcourse :) |
| 21:05.58 | rakma2 | So by installing sudo, i'm pretty much installing UAC... does this mean i can disable the |
| 21:06.03 | rakma2 | 'root' account? |
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| 21:06.42 | rakma2 | Sorry I'm only a year 1/2 into IT and the majority of that was spent using windows XD |
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| 21:07.52 | Dreamix | you can disable the root account by option "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 21:08.12 | Dreamix | just disabling the root login |
| 21:08.14 | rakma2 | Ah which is why I'd need to install sudo to still perform administrative tasks, right? |
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| 21:08.34 | Dreamix | rakma2: ofcourse :) |
| 21:08.38 | rakma2 | ok :) |
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| 21:09.18 | mwargh | rakma2: it'll disable root login over ssh only though |
| 21:09.44 | mwargh | you could login as root using keyboard locally attached for example |
| 21:09.53 | rakma2 | right right |
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| 21:10.14 | rakma2 | Is there a way to disable the account completely? is 'root' associated with a guid? |
| 21:10.45 | rakma2 | In windows, it's generally best practice to disable the default administrative account and recreated another one |
| 21:11.03 | rakma2 | Apparently the default admin account is associated with a default guid which is 'bad' |
| 21:11.04 | mwargh | rakma2: you can lock it, but make sure 'sudo' works first. no need to rename an account |
| 21:11.13 | Dreamix | actually you can, but it's not a good idea i think :) |
| 21:11.14 | mwargh | it's not 'bad' in any way |
| 21:11.15 | rakma2 | gotcha |
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| 21:11.49 | rakma2 | mwargh: I just have to explain all this to my boss, that's the only reason i'm asking and comparing to windows xD |
| 21:11.51 | Monotoko | hm... where would I put a script if I want it to run before networking starts up? |
| 21:12.14 | Dreamix | some services might not work by disabling root account such as "crontab" |
| 21:12.17 | Dreamix | guess |
| 21:12.25 | rakma2 | mk |
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| 21:13.31 | mwargh | rakma2: well, even on windows only thing i can think of why default administrator account is 'bad' is that if you use a bad password it's easily guessed by someone who tried to break it |
| 21:13.44 | mwargh | s/break\ it/break\ in |
| 21:14.24 | rakma2 | Well apparently when you pull accounts from windows, rather than the user name, it's actually associated with a 'guid' and the main admin account is associated with a 'default guid'. the same 'guid' that's assigned to every windows account by default |
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| 21:15.54 | Dreamix | rakma2: it is a bit different in linux :) |
| 21:15.55 | mwargh | rakma2: i don't think that's true, also there is no such thing in linux |
| 21:16.16 | rakma2 | Ah okay. |
| 21:16.17 | mwargh | rakma2: guid should be unique on every windows installation |
| 21:16.28 | rakma2 | ;O |
| 21:16.29 | Dreamix | the root is the only one administrator |
| 21:16.35 | mwargh | it's by definition: globally unique identified |
| 21:16.48 | Dreamix | yeah |
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| 21:17.37 | rakma2 | okay, so I just installed sudo |
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| 21:17.52 | Monotoko | bagackiz really needs to fix his/her bouncer |
| 21:17.56 | Dreamix | Of course you can set uid=0 to some account, to became a root... but it's not a good pratice. |
| 21:18.08 | rakma2 | Dreamix: ah okayu |
| 21:18.22 | Monotoko | rakma2: the way Ubuntu does it is have a sudo group, and just grant sudo access to everyone in that group |
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| 21:18.41 | Monotoko | then you have multiple admins, and no root account/password unless you go through the sudo group |
| 21:18.44 | rakma2 | Monotoko: So am i better off just using Ubuntu rather than Debian? |
| 21:19.12 | Monotoko | rakma2: matter of personal preference of course, I just thought I'd tell you the way it does things |
| 21:19.35 | mwargh | rakma2: it's matter of preference, using sudo works perfectly fine is debian you just have to explicitly install it |
| 21:19.54 | mwargh | i use sudo on my servers only, root accounts are disabled |
| 21:20.07 | Monotoko | it's easy enough to emulate, add a sudo group, make sure it's in the sudoers file - add users to it, make sure it works |
| 21:20.10 | Monotoko | then disable root |
| 21:20.23 | Dreamix | the real administrator is always using root! :D |
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| 21:20.45 | rakma2 | mwargh: is there additional configuration besides installing sudo and adding user's to sudo group? |
| 21:21.31 | rakma2 | My goal is to have a sFTP server for different departments to use/share files. I will create group for various departments and add users to them, ideally with a normal account using sudo and not root |
| 21:21.40 | rakma2 | groups* |
| 21:22.05 | mwargh | rakma2: why do they need to be added to sudo group at all? |
| 21:22.18 | Dreamix | yeah :) |
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| 21:22.28 | Dreamix | i am wondering the same |
| 21:22.51 | rakma2 | mwargh: They don't, the user added to the sudo group will be myself, used for managing them |
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| 21:23.18 | rakma2 | only 1-2 accounts will be using sudo, that's myself and my bosses |
| 21:23.37 | Monotoko | if you install sudo, I'm not sure the sudo group is automatically created |
| 21:23.41 | mwargh | rakma2: yep, so just 'apt-get install sudo ; usermod -G sudo username' and that should do |
| 21:23.45 | mwargh | Monotoko: i'm pretty sure it is |
| 21:24.08 | Monotoko | mwargh: I will need to check, I've been dealing with Arch for the last few weeks :| |
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| 21:25.00 | Monotoko | Ah yeah you're right, it is |
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| 21:25.56 | pederindi | hi, I want to learn KVM with Debian, is there a course, book...?? |
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| 21:26.31 | rakma2 | Okay so, with that being said, ho wwould i go about disabling root account? |
| 21:27.09 | Monotoko | rakma2: pretty sure you just set the password to something invalid |
| 21:27.30 | rakma2 | uhhhh lmao you sure??? that seems kinda uhhhh ghetto in a sense XD |
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| 21:27.37 | Monotoko | rakma2: "passwd -l root" |
| 21:27.41 | mwargh | pederindi: kvm as in virtual machines? just install kvm read its man page |
| 21:27.45 | mwargh | it'll get you going |
| 21:27.49 | Monotoko | will essentially do it, but it will just set the password to "!" |
| 21:27.55 | Monotoko | which is invalid :P |
| 21:28.05 | Zharf | is there a way to get bluetooth audio working in sid? google says bluez-tools should have bt-audio binary but it doesn't... -.- |
| 21:28.13 | Monotoko | it is indeed quite gheto, but it works |
| 21:28.24 | rakma2 | Monotoko: thank you xD |
| 21:28.59 | Dreamix | lol |
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| 21:29.20 | Monotoko | if I shove something into rc.local, will it run before or after networking is up and running? |
| 21:29.29 | drumr | <drumr> can someone take a look at the driver installation text from cli to help me figure out what may be wrong |
| 21:29.29 | drumr | * Inquiring_Jars ask questions |
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| 21:29.29 | drumr | <drumr> http://pastebin.com/EUasnQfy |
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| 21:29.48 | drumr | <drumr> supposedly when that was installed there may have been a driver installed but i cannot do iwlist wlan0 scan without getting a cant find interface error |
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| 21:29.53 | drumr | UGH, INCORRECT COPY AND PASTE |
| 21:29.57 | drumr | err caps |
| 21:29.59 | drumr | can someone take a look at the driver installation text from cli to help me figure out what may be wrong | http://pastebin.com/EUasnQfy | i was able to do this successfully in wheezy | but having issues in jessie | i have the firnmware installed from the non free repo | supposedly when that was installed there may have been a driver installed but i cannot do iwlist wlan0 scan without getting a cant find in |
| 21:30.03 | mwargh | don't do this you! |
| 21:30.04 | drumr | terface error |
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| 21:30.16 | pederindi | mwargh: I would like a bug approach. Good practices in syasdmin with kvm and debian. But perhaps there is nothing... |
| 21:30.44 | mwargh | pederindi: what exactly do you want to set up? take a look at 'proxmox ve' |
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| 21:31.26 | pederindi | mwargh: a mail/web/dns/openldap server |
| 21:31.34 | Monotoko | pederindi: have you been through the wiki? http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page |
| 21:31.42 | pederindi | I think the best solution is kvm with virt-manager |
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| 21:32.18 | Brigo | drumr, this driver is into 3.14 kernel |
| 21:32.28 | mwargh | pederindi: and kvm goes into this setup how exactly? |
| 21:32.54 | pederindi | I would like to think this machine as a datacenter, with a system of machines in production and under development |
| 21:33.08 | pederindi | I have some notions, and I would like to know if someone documented that process |
| 21:33.12 | pederindi | or is only known inside companies |
| 21:33.13 | rakma2 | Hmmm last question, is it possible to assign sudo a particular password? or is only ran by using the password of the user account that was added to the 'sudo' group? |
| 21:33.22 | pederindi | because I know that this approach is applied in most of sites... |
| 21:33.54 | Monotoko | pederindi: so you'd like a main server with KVM running a mail server, DNS server, etc etc? |
| 21:34.16 | pederindi | Monotoko: yep, I would like to start using virtualization capabilities on classic servers |
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| 21:34.25 | Monotoko | rakma2: that kind of dedeats the purpose of sudo |
| 21:34.32 | pederindi | is a server for small enterprise |
| 21:34.37 | pederindi | and I'm noob.. |
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| 21:35.07 | pederindi | I have time to learn |
| 21:35.12 | Monotoko | pederindi: it's a bit of a learning curve... you'll need to install Debian onto one box in KVM, make sure everything works (see virt-install) |
| 21:35.15 | drumr | bringo that is probably why it works in wheezy and not jessie |
| 21:35.22 | Monotoko | then clone it to your other boxes |
| 21:35.24 | mwargh | pederindi: well, libvirt would work. take a look at 'unix system administration' book, here: http://www.admin.com/ |
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| 21:35.29 | rakma2 | ok np, thank you guys <3 |
| 21:35.35 | mwargh | it's a good one, but it's not exactly what you want |
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| 21:36.42 | pederindi | as I see, it is early to think about: good practices or workflows about virtualization |
| 21:36.50 | pederindi | inside an organization |
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| 21:38.02 | drumr | brigo would the 3.14 headers what i need |
| 21:38.15 | Brigo | drumr, for what? |
| 21:38.27 | drumr | for the drivers to install |
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| 21:38.42 | drumr | maybe i read your response wrong |
| 21:38.48 | pederindi | anyway, thanks for the help mwargh Monotoko . I will follow your indications |
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| 21:39.51 | mwargh | pederindi: actually, basic stuff is not that hard |
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| 21:40.15 | mwargh | pederindi: you need backups, one vm per one service usually (ldap is one, mail is another etc.) |
| 21:40.34 | Dev0n | am I safe in setting up a chrooted user using OpenSSH? |
| 21:40.35 | mwargh | pederindi: if you have at least 2 servers you can look into creating failover cluster with DRBD |
| 21:40.41 | Dev0n | I just want to be able to give access one directory |
| 21:40.56 | Dev0n | I've not done it before but this is what I've came across after some time searching |
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| 21:43.12 | pederindi | mwargh: but where i can learn this practices...? http://debian-handbook.info/ is nice, but virtualization is explained without great detail |
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| 21:43.55 | Diftraku | (just testing a legend about installing gentoo) |
| 21:44.13 | mwargh | pederindi: try just googling it... yields something like this: http://www.cpd.iit.edu/netsecure08/ROBERT_RANDELL.pdf |
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| 21:45.06 | Phagus | Bash prompt before the $ lists way too much directory information. How do I have to just tell me my current working directory? |
| 21:45.07 | pederindi | wow, it looks nice. But is for vmware, I was too focused on debian and kvm, perhaps I should try to learn more generally, and apply to debian/kvm |
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| 21:45.56 | Monotoko | pederindi: it's generic |
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| 21:46.06 | Monotoko | it's just sponsored by VMware by the looks of it |
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| 21:47.27 | mwargh | pederindi: yep, that's the way you do it. i'd look into vmware certification, i don't know if it's like cisco networking certifiction (which gives you pretty good knowledge so you can apply it to any platform you use) but i think it should be ok |
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| 21:51.55 | rgr | with a manually configured /etc/networks/interfaces (im usign wpasupplicant) which try "applets" do you recommend to show network activity in an applet tray (im not using gnome). |
| 21:52.02 | rgr | s/try/tray |
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| 21:54.09 | Brigo | rgr, i use mate and netspeed 1.8, it is very nice. |
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| 22:02.30 | Monotoko | does no-one know how I can get a script to run before networking comes up? :( |
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| 22:05.56 | Mike-S2312dS21 | Systemd? before: networking.target/service?? |
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| 22:06.29 | Monotoko | Mike-S2312dS21: looks like I've got some reading to do on systemd .-. |
| 22:06.44 | Monotoko | so I'm guessing this is outdated? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_the_meaning_of_the_runlevel |
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| 22:08.14 | Mike-S2312dS21 | It is not outdated, unless you are on Jessie |
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| 22:38.36 | bobsapp | Hi, I want to preseed certain options / choices that will be asked when i install the chef-server package. How can i determine what those options are? |
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| 22:39.04 | bobsapp | I want to use debconf-set-selections for that |
| 22:40.03 | bobsapp | oh googling some more shows debconf-get-selections exists |
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| 22:40.51 | bobsapp | installs debconf-utils |
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| 23:36.57 | jeroen_ | hello, someone active here? |
| 23:37.08 | mtn | everybody left |
| 23:37.13 | jeroen_ | I restarted my server and now mysql is not running anymore |
| 23:37.19 | jeroen_ | I can't find how to fix it. |
| 23:37.37 | jeroen_ | if I type /etc/init.d/mysql restart I get an failure |
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| 23:38.13 | cafuego | jeroen_: Look at /var/log/syslog |
| 23:38.41 | jeroen_ | I get; premission denied :/ |
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| 23:40.49 | jeroen_ | someone who can help me fix this? :/ |
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| 23:41.04 | mtn | jeroen_: need to be root to read it. |
| 23:41.15 | jeroen_ | I''m :o |
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| 23:41.34 | mtn | raises eyebrow |
| 23:42.11 | jeroen_ | Seriosly, I'm 100% sure. :p |
| 23:42.28 | jeroen_ | root@myserver:~# /var/log/syslog |
| 23:43.02 | mtn | jeroen_: tryed ls /var/log/syslog? |
| 23:43.25 | jeroen_ | no |
| 23:43.29 | jeroen_ | but it says: /var/log/syslog |
| 23:43.34 | mtn | raises eyebrow |
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| 23:44.46 | mtn | jeroen_: actally I meant less /var/log/syslog. sorry. |
| 23:44.47 | jrcharney | What is the recommended bluetooth software for Debian Wheezy for ARM? |
| 23:45.08 | jeroen_ | got it using |
| 23:45.12 | jeroen_ | cat /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:45.23 | mtn | jeroen_: yes, that works, too |
| 23:45.33 | jeroen_ | then what should I see? |
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| 23:47.58 | jeroen_ | what should I see there mtn? |
| 23:48.24 | mtn | jeroen_: obviously look for mysql errors |
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| 23:51.00 | jeroen_ | get this mtn: http://pastebin.com/iY5Mw1jJ |
| 23:51.05 | Dev0n | if I make a file with chmod 400 |
| 23:51.09 | Dev0n | how could I delete as root? |
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| 23:53.05 | jeroen_ | many login/-out lol |
| 23:53.18 | jeroen_ | dang mtn gone |
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| 23:53.22 | jeroen_ | who can helpme out. :/ |
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| 23:56.47 | uminded | I am unable to get full FPS out of my webcam, anybody free to help? |
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| 23:58.52 | `ez-io- | guys, my /proc/crypto is missing serpent cipher :( how to enable it in a default installation? |
| 23:58.55 | jeroen_ | if some debian expert is active please let me know |
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