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| 00:00.49 | Resilience | Artemis3, it deppens on what tyou call new and old... Haswell intel hd cpu's will support UHD video replay? |
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| 00:13.17 | somiaj | Resilience: as I said you need jessie (testing which will be 8 when it is released in the next year) to support that card with anything better than VESA drivers. I would assume if the card supports it you could support it with jessie, but I have never used hardware with over 2k resolution |
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| 00:13.50 | Resilience | somiaj, 2k is 2560? |
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| 00:14.23 | somiaj | Resilience: well I was rounding, 1920x1080 is the best resolution any of my hardware monintors support. |
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| 00:14.43 | somiaj | Resilience: again if the card supports such resolutions and you are in jessie I think you'll be fine, I just have never done it myself |
| 00:14.56 | nezZario | K |
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| 00:15.12 | nezZario | Anybody know what device a built-in memory card reader usually shows up as? |
| 00:15.17 | nezZario | I probably just don't have the drivers |
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| 00:15.32 | nezZario | Trying to read a fat32 partition on a standard sized sd |
| 00:15.50 | somiaj | nezZario: plug in the card and the card should show up as a normal hard drive device like /dev/sdc |
| 00:16.00 | somiaj | nezZario: at least that is how any one I have used works (if it is spported) |
| 00:16.11 | nezZario | ok, I probably just don't have the drivers I guess |
| 00:16.17 | somiaj | but unless you plug in a card you won't have a hd devices set up |
| 00:16.24 | nezZario | yeah the card is in.. |
| 00:16.41 | somiaj | so you pluged in an SD card (maybe unplug it and plug it in) and then check the output of dmesg | tail -- does it say anyting about it? |
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| 00:17.15 | Resilience | somiaj, I hav made a little search on google but it seems there are no much systems on 4k |
| 00:17.42 | somiaj | Resilience: what do you mean by 4k, I was assuming like 4000ish x 3000ish pixels. |
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| 00:18.07 | Resilience | somiaj, no, I mean UHD, sorry not 4k dci :( |
| 00:18.24 | nezZario | yeah I got nothing somiaj |
| 00:18.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 00:18.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | chirp chirp |
| 00:19.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there any specific reason i need to use pulse audio for audo system on debian? can i use something else? alsa use to work ok.. |
| 00:19.18 | somiaj | nezZario: then sounds like either the device is turned off in the bios or not reconized by your kernel (or missing the module) |
| 00:19.31 | somiaj | Resilience: I guess I don't know what you mean then. |
| 00:19.45 | nezZario | hmm, this is a really old pc too..probably missing something software wise |
| 00:20.00 | somiaj | nezZario: can you find the device in lspci? |
| 00:20.00 | nezZario | Heck, it could be broke |
| 00:20.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | its seriously giving me issues eith my eeepc now i am getting cracking and voice issues on the speaker jack for my alc269 on my netbook |
| 00:21.20 | cafuego | I found pulse generally wanted more cpu power than my non multi-core PCs had, so I uninstalled it and ran straight alsa, which was fine. |
| 00:21.55 | Resilience | somiaj 3840 pixels à 2160 lines, which is UHD, wrong referred as 4K, becuase "ral" 4K is 4K dci, which is 4096 pixels à 2160 for cinema |
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| 00:22.23 | nezZario | somiaj: i really don't know what I'm looking for |
| 00:22.34 | cafuego | Eryn_1983_FL: So yes, you can use alsa without pulse. |
| 00:22.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok cafuego do i need to do any setup for it?? |
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| 00:22.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i shall give it a go hehe |
| 00:23.08 | cafuego | can't remember, it's been sages since I did sound on linux |
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| 00:23.12 | nezZario | SMBus Interface, USB UHC Controller |
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| 00:23.24 | nezZario | Not sure what this thing would be labeled as |
| 00:23.42 | somiaj | Resilience: ahh I see, yea I think most GPU support things and if haswell supports it I bet it would work in linux under jessie. Now most monintors on the other hand don't support that so that is why it is rare |
| 00:23.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am thinking its one of thses bugs i keep seeing on google but i dunno |
| 00:24.18 | cafuego | nezZario: It'll be a USB storage controller OR a PCI one |
| 00:24.39 | nezZario | Actually |
| 00:24.54 | nezZario | I think this thing is broken, I just wiggled it around and got some I/O errors from a sdb on dmesg |
| 00:25.22 | Resilience | somiaj, I know that most monitor don't support it but... I'm going to purchase new equipment,. Minne's got 10 years... I only buy hardware 7 to 10 years :( |
| 00:25.32 | nezZario | But yeah, looks like it's not a everyday software issue here, at least |
| 00:25.52 | nezZario | is there a way I can tail -f dmesg? oddly enough /var/log/dmesg seems to be different |
| 00:25.58 | somiaj | Resilience: since intel provides linux the video driver, you may be able to look at their specs for supported resolutions |
| 00:27.16 | Resilience | somiaj, somethig is intel last driver, other things are which driver integrates x.org and other thing is which version of x.org is with debian ;D |
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| 00:29.32 | somiaj | Resilience: yea hence you need jessie over debian. |
| 00:30.01 | Resilience | somiaj, runnging jessie yet, I work with testing since 10 years ago |
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| 00:32.31 | nezZario | eh, crap |
| 00:32.41 | nezZario | ok, anyway, on an unrelated note.. |
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| 00:33.05 | nezZario | I'm trying to setup a reverse tunnel (ssh -R) through rc.local |
| 00:33.22 | nezZario | Remote server (both debian) keeps spitting out rc.local[1196]: Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. |
| 00:33.41 | nezZario | Is there a more appropriate way to do this? |
| 00:33.59 | nezZario | I just need this script ran by a non-root user on boot.. cron @reboot doesn't really cut it |
| 00:34.10 | nezZario | I thought about just making a pidfile/cron runs every minute thing |
| 00:34.36 | cloudsurfer | hey guys. complete noob here. looking for advice on which linux distribution is most appropriate for me to download. |
| 00:34.47 | cloudsurfer | 64bit win 7 PC |
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| 00:36.50 | somiaj | nezZario: wonder if you ran that command with an 'exec' or ran it in a shell 'bash -c foo' (I hope -c is the flag) it would run it in an actually shell/terminal |
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| 00:37.39 | somiaj | cloudsurfer: we will of course say you should download debian. You will want the amd64 port. If you are intersted in other distros this is not the place to ask |
| 00:37.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | whelp i thin she is broke captain i can get no more outa here :( |
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| 00:37.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | sad sad day, she will be buried with honors and colur guard |
| 00:40.14 | nezZario | cloudsurfer: plan 9 *trollface* |
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| 00:41.57 | Halma | hi all |
| 00:42.04 | unsecur3d | whats up |
| 00:42.31 | Halma | i need a online to check if a directory is mounted without the comman "mountpoint" can some help me ? |
| 00:42.50 | Halma | *oneline command* oneliner |
| 00:43.04 | unsecur3d | i know nothing about that, sorry |
| 00:43.08 | somiaj | Halma: mount will list all current mounts, so mount | grep mountpoint |
| 00:43.24 | nezZario | maybe something in /proc |
| 00:43.30 | nezZario | I'm not sure, though |
| 00:43.36 | Halma | i tried "[ cat /proc/mounts | grep "pci" ] && echo "1" |
| 00:43.36 | Halma | " |
| 00:43.51 | Halma | but results in "grep: ]: No such file or director" |
| 00:44.06 | somiaj | well the problem with that is those commands will correctly exit with exit 0 despite if grep returns a mount point or not |
| 00:44.33 | somiaj | you could do mount | grep mountpoint | wc -l (it would return 0 if no lines 1+ if at least one thing is mounted there) |
| 00:45.16 | somiaj | Halma: grep /mount/point /proc/mounts | wc -l |
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| 00:47.32 | Halma | ok this works , but why it doesnt work into a shell script as "[ mount | grep "/usr/include/pci" | wc -l ]" -> result: "./ooo.sh: line 8: [: missing `]' wc: ]: No such file or directory " |
| 00:47.57 | nezZario | So uh, how does port forwarding work with ssh? |
| 00:48.17 | nezZario | I mean, it just forwards the ports as a part of the ssh binary, regardless of what login shell/whatever ssh is running? |
| 00:48.27 | nezZario | or protocol, not binary, maybe more accurate |
| 00:48.52 | checkItOut | grep 'pci' /proc/mounts && echo '1' |
| 00:49.00 | somiaj | Halma: unsure, TEST=`grep /usr/include/pci /proc/mounts | wc -l` put that into a variable, then test if it is -gt 1 |
| 00:49.07 | somiaj | sory -gt 0 |
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| 00:51.03 | pushpop | Anyone happen to have a nice how-to on configuring an https proxy on debian. I can't seem to locate one |
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| 00:51.39 | ThreadKiLL | pushpop, proxy on ur machine? or scanning open proxys? |
| 00:51.52 | pushpop | proxy on my machine |
| 00:51.59 | pushpop | https: |
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| 01:00.16 | MadHatter42 | I have two debian hosts part of a /20 network |
| 01:00.16 | MadHatter42 | M1(10.0.31.100) and M2(10.0.32.200) |
| 01:00.23 | MadHatter42 | On M2 i have a virtual netowrk (172.16.1.0/24) with a virtual machine M3 (172.16.1.100) |
| 01:00.23 | MadHatter42 | I've added the route for the 172.16.1.0/ via 10.0.32.200 on M1 |
| 01:00.29 | MadHatter42 | Ive enabled forwarding on M2 and I can ping M1 from M3 but not the vice verca. |
| 01:00.29 | MadHatter42 | How do I reach the M3 from the M1 ? (can ping M3 from M2 and M2 from M3) |
| 01:00.43 | DJAX | pushpop: tinyproxy, squid |
| 01:01.15 | somiaj | I thought https was difficult to proxy because of the identity authentication needed. |
| 01:01.29 | DJAX | tinyproxy is very easy |
| 01:01.52 | DJAX | yeah i just use my ip in the conf, no user pass |
| 01:02.07 | dltl | test just for whatever number grep -c /usr/include/pci /proc/mounts |
| 01:02.22 | DJAX | or if you want a tcp-socks5 look for tcp-proxy.pl |
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| 01:03.15 | ThreadKiLL | --> apt-get install proxychain |
| 01:03.24 | ThreadKiLL | :) |
| 01:03.33 | DJAX | brb i want to use another Hard Disk because this 127.0.0.1 Is filtered 100% and doesnt reply to ping, even the ports are open externally... |
| 01:04.24 | DJAX | yeah a 127.0.0.1nmap takes 5 minutes :P |
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| 01:06.35 | dltl | DJAX sumin wrong with sumin you gots there |
| 01:07.34 | MadHatter42 | anyone ? |
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| 01:09.14 | somiaj | MadHatter42: maybe try #networking, what you are taking about I doubt is debian sepcific |
| 01:09.20 | somiaj | MadHatter42: it oculd be ##networking now |
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| 01:09.51 | MadHatter42 | well nobody was answering there |
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| 01:09.58 | Halma | thanks all and good bye |
| 01:10.03 | MadHatter42 | and i got desperate :P |
| 01:11.23 | somiaj | MadHatter42: do you want to have the vms on a seperate network and just need to setup a bridge (that seems to only go oneway)? |
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| 01:11.43 | somiaj | MadHatter42: or why not just set up your main device as a bridge and allow the vms to be on the same network. |
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| 01:12.48 | MadHatter42 | amazon wont let that |
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| 01:12.58 | MadHatter42 | i tried and it didnt work |
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| 01:13.32 | MadHatter42 | somiaj, i need to access the virtual environment from the first host |
| 01:14.04 | somiaj | MadHatter42: ahh I see, yea if yoru network won't assign you more ips that is what you have to do. Well I don't have the experience to see what you are missing |
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| 01:14.37 | dltl | how big is your network? static ip vs dynamic ip |
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| 01:14.37 | MadHatter42 | lets say we have M1(10.0.31.100) and M2(10.0.32.200) |
| 01:14.47 | MadHatter42 | On M2 i have a virtual netowrk (172.16.1.0/24) with a virtual machine(via KVM) M3(172.16.1.100) |
| 01:14.52 | MadHatter42 | I've added the route for the 172.16.1.0/ via 10.0.32.200 on M1 |
| 01:14.57 | MadHatter42 | ve enabled forwarding on M2 and I can ping M1 from M3 but not the vice verca. |
| 01:15.01 | MadHatter42 | How do I reach the M3 from the M1 ? (can ping M3 from M2 and M2 from M3) |
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| 01:15.42 | MadHatter42 | i think i'm missing something |
| 01:15.50 | MadHatter42 | via iptalbes |
| 01:15.59 | MadHatter42 | or i dont know , it just doesnt work |
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| 01:33.51 | Sir_Designer__ | here is hardware we need Debian running on aap. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmx7qhce5e0gc13/marek%27s%20kimbra%20the%205k%20iMac%20Late%202014.png?dl=0 |
| 01:33.55 | Sir_Designer__ | System Information: Model: iMac ⢠Disk Space: Total: 1.11 TB; Free: 1.06 TB ⢠Graphics: Intel Iris Pro, AMD Radeon R9 M290X ⢠Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 (HiDPI Mode) |
| 01:34.03 | Sir_Designer__ | asap * |
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| 01:36.38 | SixtyFold | good luck with that |
| 01:36.39 | SixtyFold | haha |
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| 01:55.11 | snowflakes | where do we usually find nmap logs in debian, if we cant find it on root folder? |
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| 01:56.35 | o689o | I got a folder that I can see on the graphical file explorer on a USB stick (/New Volume/etc/config) but I can't see or edit that same folder under terminal. How can I fix this ? |
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| 01:56.56 | somiaj | snowflakes: are you talking about logs that you were scanned or results from scanning something else? |
| 01:57.24 | snowflakes | in debian machine i can't find the output logs |
| 01:57.46 | snowflakes | doesnt show up at /var/logs |
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| 02:01.06 | gtristan | hi |
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| 02:03.00 | gtristan | we use a downstream jessie repository with some custom packages, and using repropro to pull the fresh versions of packages |
| 02:03.21 | luciousjr | I'm having trouble getting my wacom intuos2 working with jessie in a gnome 3.14 environment. Anyone else having issues? |
| 02:03.24 | gtristan | now, every time we are struggling, every time we pull the new packages |
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| 02:03.30 | gtristan | we get this fucking systemd again |
| 02:03.39 | gtristan | maybe we are doing it wrong |
| 02:03.42 | gtristan | I dont know |
| 02:03.59 | gtristan | is there a way we can work with repropro and blacklist that systemd ? |
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| 02:04.24 | gtristan | everything works fine with sysvinit, it's just a minimal server device |
| 02:04.45 | gtristan | but every time we refresh we get fucked in the ass with this systemd again and again |
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| 02:04.52 | gtristan | :( |
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| 02:11.14 | tytan | Isn't Debian interested in running in IBMs power8 servers? |
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| 02:24.47 | snowflakes | what folder in debian do we fond everything we install through apt-get install program |
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| 02:25.59 | rommel092079 | good day guys. I have already allowed mysql port in my iptables but I cannot connect remotely to it. other ports are fine like http, https and ssh ports |
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| 02:26.24 | tytan | snowflakes: As far as I know it scatters over your file system. But maybe youre fine with /usr/share/applications/ :) |
| 02:27.09 | tytan | rommel092079: sorry. I'm learning to use iptables right now. Can't help you now |
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| 02:27.30 | rommel092079 | no probs tytan |
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| 02:27.55 | rommel092079 | the use of iptables in centos and debian are totally different approach. i wonder why they need to change approach. |
| 02:28.08 | rommel092079 | i mean, use different approach |
| 02:28.20 | multi_io | do you enable CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT in current kernels (to make udev work)? |
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| 02:28.32 | multi_io | or only CONFIG_DEVTMPFS? |
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| 02:52.32 | kerneloopz | ok, so as some of you may recall from earlier today, my server recently suffered a sudden and complete HDD failure. I have enough backup to restore funtionality after manual work, but long-term, would RAID-1 be a better solution here? |
| 02:52.53 | kerneloopz | mainly for a web server |
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| 02:57.06 | yern | irc.d3v01d.org #devoid |
| 02:57.09 | yern | yay |
| 02:58.46 | civillian | kerneloopz: redundancy is good, what RAID are you on now? |
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| 03:00.02 | kerneloopz | well I only had one HDD in that server when it went down *hangs head in shame* |
| 03:00.16 | kerneloopz | so I figured I'd work on learning RAID and get started |
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| 03:01.53 | civillian | most servers use some kind of RAID with redundancy. Almost all RAID levels offer some redundancy, it depends on how much redundancy you need for the application |
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| 03:11.05 | kerneloopz | I can afford to take the server down. I'd like to get started with RAID-1 |
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| 03:11.47 | Simotek-Work- | RAID 1 seems a good choice if you only want 2 hdd's |
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| 03:21.48 | kerneloopz | yes |
| 03:22.05 | kerneloopz | I'm debating between http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA67S2154820 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 |
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| 03:22.23 | kerneloopz | just need two of them for RAID-1 |
| 03:22.53 | Epakai | what's going on the raid? is it on all the time? |
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| 03:23.25 | kerneloopz | mainly web server, also Tor relays |
| 03:23.39 | kerneloopz | I can afford to shut it off if I have to |
| 03:23.48 | kerneloopz | but prefer not to of course |
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| 03:27.20 | Epakai | i don't see any reason to get that green. 1tb red is cheaper, designed for always on operation, and has the same 3 year warranty |
| 03:27.36 | Epakai | the blue will be faster of course |
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| 03:53.00 | kerneloopz | Epakai: what red are you talking about? |
| 03:53.57 | kerneloopz | Epakai: do the red, green, and blue mean anything in particular? |
| 03:54.01 | Epakai | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236342 |
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| 03:54.50 | Epakai | red are marketed as nas drives, green low power, blue are i guess the standard disk (high rpm, but not as performance oriented as black) |
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| 03:57.10 | kerneloopz | I'm not sure what speeds my motherboard supports |
| 03:57.29 | kerneloopz | it's an Optiplex 990, chances are it's 3 GB/s I'll bet |
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| 04:01.21 | deitarion | Is there a simple way to list all packages which do not currently have a repository source? (either because they were manually installed or because they're no longer offered by the set of currently available sources) |
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| 04:01.38 | kerneloopz | Epakai: so you would recommend the green over the red? |
| 04:01.54 | Arrowmaster | deitarion: aptitude gui shows them |
| 04:02.19 | kerneloopz | or rather, for a web server sitting alone in a grad room for the next few years with RAID-1, which one would be a better choice? |
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| 04:02.38 | deitarion | Arrowmaster: I was hoping for something non-interactive that I could incorporate into a script. |
| 04:02.50 | heurist | deitarion: aptitude search ~o |
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| 04:03.06 | kerneloopz | Epakai: I'm inclined to choose the green |
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| 04:03.26 | deitarion | heurist: Thanks. That's perfect. :) |
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| 04:08.07 | copec | I'm doing an upgrade on a debian sid box and I'm seeing dpkg take up all cpu and slowly eating up all memory until oom steps in |
| 04:08.12 | copec | can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 04:09.52 | Epakai | i suggested the red because it doesn't park or idle the disk unless it's powered down which reduces wear at the expense of higher power usage. If you want to pay more for the green with a "proven" (because it's an older model/more reviewed) record i guess that's reasonable |
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| 04:14.09 | heurist | copec: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 04:18.59 | berndj | what can i do about glade-3 having been removed, besides building it from source? |
| 04:20.14 | heurist | ,v glade |
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| 04:20.16 | judd | Package: glade on i386 -- squeeze: 3.6.7-1+b1; wheezy: 3.12.1-1; jessie: 3.18.3-1; sid: 3.18.3-1 |
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| 04:23.12 | berndj | i'm on jessie btw |
| 04:23.16 | multi_io | are the names of the symlinks in /dev/disk/ in any way documented or supposed to be stable over kernel/udev releases? |
| 04:24.34 | berndj | heurist, i'm referring to glade-3, which AFAICT is meant to be the last version of glade that can do GTK+ 2 widgets, which is 3.8 in the upstream version number space |
| 04:24.42 | multi_io | because in my case it has changed from /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SSeagate_Expansion_Desk_NA4KKCTV-part1 to /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST2000DM001-1E6164_Z1E7RKAL-part1 for the same (USB-external) disk, after a kernel/udev upgrade |
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| 04:26.14 | rwp | multi_io, I have had similar problems with device renames like that. I wish the api were stable. Instead people recommend using the uuid as a workaround. |
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| 04:32.29 | apn | multi_io, rwp: naming is done by udev rule (/lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules) |
| 04:33.13 | rwp | apn, Good info! |
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| 04:40.09 | nezZario | Weird question: is there any way to tell from within a shell that I'm ssh'd into, which IP I am using to connect to it with? |
| 04:40.38 | croddy | nezZario: $SSH_CLIENT and/or $SSH_CONNECTION have that info |
| 04:41.03 | nezZario | Holy wow. You sir, are awesome. |
| 04:41.12 | croddy | i get that all the time |
| 04:41.15 | nezZario | =) |
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| 05:15.50 | vilce | hi guys |
| 05:16.06 | vilce | one of my debian 6.0 hanged with the message: |
| 05:16.09 | vilce | http://paste.debian.net/128245/ |
| 05:16.28 | vilce | I have restart it from vmware console |
| 05:16.40 | vilce | how can I translate what happened? |
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| 05:26.35 | rgb-one | hey |
| 05:27.21 | rgb-one | can anyone suggest a research topic for Cloud Computing? |
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| 05:29.32 | ttoko | can anybody help me out? I'm running out of space on some partitions and don't know the best approach to take. |
| 05:29.36 | ttoko | http://pastebin.com/xET0cMyT |
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| 05:30.16 | ttoko | for example can I shrink home and give more to /var or do I have to move all the partitions? |
| 05:30.30 | ttoko | or is there something better |
| 05:31.11 | apn | ttoko: use symlinks, and forget partitioning until everything is under control. |
| 05:31.27 | ttoko | so make /home/var and symlink that? |
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| 05:31.53 | ttoko | How do I even get it under control? |
| 05:31.54 | apn | ttoko: sure. Move stuff around and use symlinks. It's a temporary solutoion, but fast. |
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| 05:32.41 | ttoko | apn: what would be the correct approach? |
| 05:32.48 | ttoko | speed doesn't matter I want to do this right |
| 05:32.55 | ttoko | without reinstalling :P |
| 05:33.26 | ttoko | lol 101 views already on pastebin |
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| 05:35.12 | apn | ttoko: how do you use this computer? Is it personal? |
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| 05:37.17 | ttoko | apn: it's a personal laptop |
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| 05:39.07 | apn | ttoko: is there a particular reason why you have so many partitions on a personal laptop? |
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| 05:40.20 | ttoko | apn: at first I thought it would be best practice, but I guess that's more for servers... |
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| 05:43.52 | apn | ttoko: I would leave /home separate, and /boot optionally separate. Combine everything else. It will give you 11GB of space that you can use for the system. |
| 05:44.08 | ttoko | apn: how would I go about doing that? |
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| 05:44.42 | ttoko | I feel like using lvm makes things harder |
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| 05:44.59 | rommel092079 | what file to place the rewrite rule? |
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| 05:48.57 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
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| 05:49.16 | neilthereildeil | i got a machine with 16GB memory running 64bit Debian |
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| 05:49.24 | neilthereildeil | how can i verify how much memory linux sees? |
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| 05:49.36 | croddy | free, or cat /proc/meminfo |
| 05:49.47 | neilthereildeil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.59 | neilthereildeil | which divides to 4GB |
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| 05:50.06 | neilthereildeil | which obviously inst right... |
| 05:51.11 | neilthereildeil | does 64 bit linux not see all 16GB? |
| 05:51.29 | apn | neilthereildeil: it should |
| 05:51.47 | neilthereildeil | apn: is there some other way to see it? |
| 05:51.50 | neilthereildeil | free says the same thing... |
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| 05:53.55 | apn | neilthereildeil: vmstat, but it will use meminfo. Maybe top command? |
| 05:54.24 | neilthereildeil | hmm top also shows 4GB |
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| 05:54.57 | apn | neilthereildeil: are you sure that you are running 64bit kernel? |
| 05:55.14 | neilthereildeil | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 05:55.30 | neilthereildeil | im running Xen with Debian as Dom0 |
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| 06:01.00 | apn | neilthereildeil: Ha! I think you answered yourself. Try xm info on your xen. Check how much you are allowing Debian to see. It will report your dom0_mem setting instead of real value. |
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| 06:01.18 | MarvelDigital | is there any chance that the smartctl would give a false positive? i have a 3 month new hard drive, that i've filled 80% as back up but now it's claiming failure imminent... |
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| 06:02.02 | neilthereildeil | apn: yep, that was it |
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| 06:02.06 | neilthereildeil | thanks! |
| 06:02.19 | heurist | MarvelDigital: smartctl almost never says things are bad when they are not. it does often say they are alright when they are bad. if smartctl says your drive is a problem return it! |
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| 06:06.24 | MarvelDigital | thanks heurist ... damn, can't believe it was so quick... makes me kinda sad |
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| 06:27.02 | MarvelDigital | that was a fun server split. |
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| 06:30.53 | TheQuestionmark | When have splits ever been fun? |
| 06:31.06 | croddy | always |
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| 06:32.39 | TheQuestionmark | Well then, I just ask again, just different. Could I use debootstrap to play games that require me to use newer glibcs than those Wheezy has? |
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| 06:33.02 | croddy | i used to do that with dchroot |
| 06:33.20 | croddy | back when multiarch was sketchy |
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| 06:37.17 | rommel092079 | guys how can I create a self signed certificate that is applicable for website.com, mail.website.com, www.website.com http://www.website.com, https://website.com, https://www.website.com ? |
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| 06:37.33 | croddy | i am sure you could use it to solve problems other than i386-on-amd64. |
| 06:37.43 | croddy | but yeah, dchroot and debootstrap, go for it |
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| 06:38.11 | rommel092079 | i created one but it only applied to website.com but when I tried to https://www.website.com then the browser needs to install the certificate again. |
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| 06:54.54 | d3lphi | http://paste.debian.net/128205/ anyone can help, please? |
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| 07:20.32 | ChrisH | d3lphi: can you su - testuser1 |
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| 07:30.06 | nikio_ | why does debian tell me that a .s file is an executable text file and if i want to run it? |
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| 07:30.12 | nikio_ | its just assembly code |
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| 07:31.09 | bolt | nikio_: what tells you that? and what are the permissions on the file? |
| 07:31.22 | heurist | nikio_: ls -l *.s probably says it has the x bit set. |
| 07:31.28 | nikio_ | when i double click on a .s file |
| 07:31.33 | nikio_ | just normal i guess |
| 07:31.36 | nikio_ | it doesnt ask me to be root |
| 07:31.40 | nikio_ | its my asm code |
| 07:32.01 | nikio_ | how can i make sure it wont ask me this |
| 07:32.08 | nikio_ | .s files are just assembly files |
| 07:32.09 | nikio_ | like asm |
| 07:32.13 | nikio_ | ? |
| 07:32.16 | bolt | nikio_: don't set the file as executable |
| 07:32.21 | nikio_ | i didnt |
| 07:32.24 | nikio_ | where can i change it? |
| 07:32.25 | heurist | dpkg: tell nikio_ -about enter |
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| 07:32.40 | bolt | nikio_: chown |
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| 07:33.11 | nikio_ | and then? |
| 07:33.22 | bolt | nikio_: i have no idea what graphical wizardry you may be using. there's probably a function to change file permissions in it, but you can do it with chown on the console. |
| 07:33.23 | heurist | nikio_: check the permission by running the command I gave you at a terminal |
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| 07:33.39 | bolt | nikio_: chown a-x <file> |
| 07:33.49 | heurist | bolt: chmod |
| 07:33.57 | bolt | that. |
| 07:34.04 | nikio_ | the permission is mine |
| 07:34.19 | bolt | nikio_: sorry, i just woke up. use chmod. |
| 07:34.26 | heurist | nikio_: show us what ls -l *.s said, use a pastebin |
| 07:34.27 | nikio_ | heurist, thats what it says.. my user name |
| 07:34.40 | nikio_ | np bolt im glad u help : ] |
| 07:34.41 | heurist | nikio_: it says more than just that. |
| 07:34.50 | nikio_ | heurist, it says rwxrwx |
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| 07:35.01 | bolt | nikio_: chmod a-x filename |
| 07:35.14 | nikio_ | -rwxrwx--- |
| 07:35.16 | nikio_ | ok |
| 07:35.18 | heurist | nikio_: the "x" in there says it is executable, remove that. |
| 07:35.20 | bolt | nikio_: the "x" means it has the executable bit set for user and group |
| 07:35.26 | nikio_ | right : ] |
| 07:35.32 | nikio_ | im new to linux and stuff so, ty : ] |
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| 07:37.08 | nikio_ | oh sorry for the enter ill try to make less use of it |
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| 07:38.33 | nikio_ | bolt, i did it and when i do the ls -ls -l ^.s command i see no more x |
| 07:38.39 | nikio_ | yet when i click i still get the message |
| 07:38.45 | nikio_ | maybe i have to restart or something |
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| 07:39.13 | nikio_ | hmm |
| 07:39.26 | nikio_ | actually maybe i have to set it for all .s files |
| 07:39.31 | nikio_ | in the whole system |
| 07:40.28 | nikio_ | how can i make sure it will remove the x bit from all .s files? |
| 07:40.34 | nikio_ | maybe thats not a good idea :s |
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| 07:41.00 | bolt | nikio_: it would be better to figure out what set it in the first place |
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| 07:42.45 | bolt | nikio_: you could do something like: find "$HOME" -type f -name "*.s" -exec chmod -c a-x '{}' \; |
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| 07:43.09 | bolt | nikio_: i suggest you replace $HOME with a single directory and try it there though. i wrote that without testing it. |
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| 07:44.34 | Guest85188 | Hi all. I want to look for large files under /var, however there is a lot additional fs mounted beneath the direcotry. Is there a way to swiftly exclude them, something like -x in du? |
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| 07:45.52 | nikio_ | ok ty bolt |
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| 07:49.17 | Guest85188 | Ok, I think I got it ( the ( suprisingly) -mount switch ). |
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| 08:04.19 | petn-randall | Guest85188: You forgot to mention which tool you are using. |
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| 08:06.17 | Guest85188 | petn-randall, indeed, I was using find with 'size' and 'exec du -h {} \;' parameters. |
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| 08:08.35 | petn-randall | Guest85188: I prefer to use 'ncdu', which gives you a curses interface to browse the filesystem. |
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| 08:10.34 | TheQuestionmark | Huh... would anyone consider Jessie being Stable by any means? |
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| 08:11.49 | petn-randall | TheQuestionmark: Nope. That's what wheezy is currently for. |
| 08:12.14 | TheQuestionmark | petn-randall, I meant in the way how it works for daily use. |
| 08:12.48 | petn-randall | TheQuestionmark: For the server, I wouldn't recommend it. For a personal machine, only if you know how to debug and fix any errors that you get on the way. |
| 08:13.11 | TheQuestionmark | According to random postings on forums, it's getting a feature-freeze soon anyway, which means as much as it'll also become Stable rather sooner than later. |
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| 08:13.39 | TheQuestionmark | petn-randall, Depends on the type of errors. |
| 08:13.55 | TheQuestionmark | It's not like I'm a Mr.Torvalds or Stallman. |
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| 08:14.44 | heurist | TheQuestionmark: freeze is not stable though, using testing during freeze is often more work then before freeze. after freeze jessie with be "stable", wait for that. probably early next year. |
| 08:14.47 | Brain | so, when is apache going to become part of the systemd package? :P ...nah just kidding |
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| 08:15.35 | Brain | im actually looking forwards to debian 8, i think i'll make it my first dist-upgrade |
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| 08:16.15 | petn-randall | TheQuestionmark: You're Torvalds *and* Stallman ;). Yes, the feature freeze is on November 5, but it still half a year away from releasing. You should be fairly confident in using dpkg/apt and understand the concept of dependencies, and should know your way around in the Debian bug tracker, packages.debian.org, and maybe even the snapshots repo. |
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| 08:21.03 | Brain | hmmm. |
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| 08:21.33 | Brain | theoretical question, if systemd doesnt use sh at any point in its boot (is this correct?) then doesnt this make it more robust when you have a system with a broken shell? |
| 08:21.38 | TheQuestionmark | heurist, Well, I'd love to have glibc >= 2.14 available since it's needed by one or two games that doesn't run on 2.13 as it's used on Wheezy. |
| 08:21.51 | Brain | and does that mean you can have a system without *any* shells, where all that runs is say, apache? |
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| 08:21.59 | Brain | i'd consider that quite a bit more secure |
| 08:22.01 | DrPtr | Hey, |
| 08:22.24 | TheQuestionmark | Brain, Well... since emacs also now has an built in web browser, I wouldn't be surprised if systemd gets video playable, word processing and file managers as well. |
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| 08:24.00 | TheQuestionmark | petn-randall, Now, I can deal with the apt stuff and I also get the idea of deps but otherwise... I have no idea of the bug tracker except for submitting things and the packages site for looking for stuff. |
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| 08:24.47 | DrPtr | Hey, I have a small issue. I have a root account with several ssh keys associated with them. This is a vanilla Debian installation, nothing was changed. Now, someone who knows the root password OR has a key, connected via SFTP and removed some files.. Without the IP, can I associate the SFTP connection with a specific key? |
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| 08:25.15 | nido | Brain: whilst a system whoes only binary is apache would be more secure in the sense that the only attack surface you have is apache; systemd is not that system. |
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| 08:26.41 | Brain | ah, thanks nido |
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| 08:31.59 | topi` | I have a very simple debian/rules for my package, that just contains this: "%s: dh $@ --with python2" |
| 08:32.14 | topi` | I guess it means that dh_python2 is used for configuring, building and install phase? |
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| 08:33.52 | gtristan | topi`, I'm pretty new here... I don't recall exactly the name, but I was directed to a channel... #debian-mentors or smth ? where there is a lot more chatting about package scripts and the like (I found that channel very helpful... while this channel is sort of... the fast-lane) |
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| 08:36.15 | gtristan | topi`, yeah... it was #debian-mentors, but on OFTC, not freenode |
| 08:36.19 | topi` | gtristan: yeah, I've found out that this channel isn't very responsive to my dev needs :) |
| 08:36.24 | gtristan | topi`, just a suggestion :) |
| 08:36.25 | gtristan | oh |
| 08:36.28 | topi` | why is everyone on OFTC? |
| 08:36.33 | gtristan | no idea |
| 08:36.37 | topi` | I hope my irssi can handle additional servers... |
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| 08:37.15 | gtristan | [#debian-mentors] This channel is for getting help with packaging for the Debian archive. Other questions should be asked elsewhere. |
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| 08:37.36 | gtristan | I think you'll have better luck there when asking about rules and install files and that stuff :) |
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| 08:44.28 | Burps | Hi, I know my question is not debian specific, but I'm sure someone here knows the answer : ssh user@remote 'tar cf - /home/foo/bar|tar xf' --> data are locally copied into home/foo/bar : How can I have them copied just in the local directory ? |
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| 08:45.10 | Burps | (aka forget the home/foo/bar) |
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| 08:46.31 | heurist | Burps: see man tar look for --strip-components= |
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| 09:00.06 | Burps | heurist: thank you, it works |
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| 09:02.38 | d3lphi | chrisc: yes, su - testuser1 works fine |
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| 09:13.56 | d3lphi | anyone knows, what the reason could be why "getent group" doesn't output my domain users, but "getent group 'domain users'" or "getent group 10000" work also? The latter 2 commands are outputting the expected result, but "getent group" at all doesn't output my domain groups. Why? |
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| 09:36.06 | d3lphi | http://paste.debian.net/128205/ anyone? |
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| 09:43.00 | Iridos | d3lphi, https://www.google.de/search?q=WBC_ERR_AUTH_ERROR+NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_DISCONNECTED ?? |
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| 09:44.15 | d3lphi | Iridos: so that's a bug? |
| 09:46.09 | Iridos | no idea, I don't use the stuff. but apparently there was a longish discussion on it on the samba mailing list |
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| 09:47.42 | armetiz | hi there |
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| 09:48.01 | armetiz | i have build a script to update & upgrade our debian automaticaly |
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| 09:48.39 | armetiz | recently, the script failed due to a required user interaction about "certificate update, q to quit" |
| 09:48.42 | heurist | !enter |
| 09:48.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:49.23 | armetiz | I have add --yes DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, and also Dpkg::Options::='--force-confnew --no-triggers' |
| 09:49.38 | d3lphi | Iridos: yes, it's a bug. According to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739768 I removed the word "krb5_auth" from my /etc/pam.d/common-auth on the line where pam_winbind.so is. Afterwards I did execute "pam-auth-update" and SSH login works! |
| 09:49.43 | armetiz | Do you have any clue about how to "quit" the information message, or do not show it ? |
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| 09:50.58 | yids | Can i find somewere the thing that helps you set up your partions as a tool? |
| 09:51.17 | yids | I want to setup up an encrypted lvm and am a bit confused by the cli tools |
| 09:51.30 | Brigo | yids, did you try gparted? |
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| 09:51.47 | yids | that doesnt support lvm does it? |
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| 09:53.08 | Brigo | yids, not sure. |
| 09:53.22 | yids | doesnt seem to |
| 09:53.58 | yids | the tool in the debian installer would be perfect |
| 09:54.38 | Iridos | cron-apt |
| 09:54.42 | Iridos | ops |
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| 09:55.51 | Agemaniac | hello all :) |
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| 09:56.23 | Agemaniac | im trying to install chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra, but i get Unable to locate package chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra..... Anyone any idea which repository i need to add? :( |
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| 09:57.15 | Iridos | armetiz, there are already such scripts ready-made... /msg dpkg cron-apt (might also /msg dpkg apticron and possibly /msg dpkg apt-watch ... those are more notifiers) |
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| 10:01.31 | Agemaniac | anyone? |
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| 10:04.46 | Guest85188 | How can I check on which port the nfs client is making the connection? |
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| 10:05.35 | Guest85188 | Even if there is no data exchane at the moment. |
| 10:05.48 | mr_foobar_baz | does/will jessie *require* systemd, or is it just optional? |
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| 10:08.08 | heurist | mr_foobar_baz: it will be default, but is not required, you could install sysvinit or upstart if you so choose |
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| 10:08.57 | Iridos | Agemaniac, where did you get the package name from in the first place... use apt-cache search or aptitude search to find packages |
| 10:09.10 | Iridos | judd... gorn |
| 10:09.32 | mr_foobar_baz | heurist: I see, thanks. |
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| 10:11.06 | Iridos | Agemaniac, that's an ubuntu package... those are not suitable for installing into Debian |
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| 10:11.29 | Agemaniac | Iridos: oh, i though it should be in debian as well :/ |
| 10:12.06 | Iridos | maybe in dmm... I haven't checked that |
| 10:12.07 | Iridos | dpkg, dmm |
| 10:12.07 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 10:12.18 | Iridos | dpkg, wheezy |
| 10:12.18 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.7>. |
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| 10:12.28 | Iridos | argh |
| 10:12.32 | Iridos | dpkg, dmm wheezy |
| 10:12.32 | dpkg | If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install deb-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. See <why not dmm>. |
| 10:12.33 | Agemaniac | Iridos: any idea how to make flash work in chromium then? :) |
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| 10:13.17 | Iridos | Agemaniac, seems to work for me in chromium... at least on the amd64 platform |
| 10:14.07 | Agemaniac | Iridos,hmm weird, every time i go to youtube i get "An error has occured", same for other sites, it asks me to isntall flash player |
| 10:14.19 | heurist | Agemaniac: apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 10:14.56 | Agemaniac | Unable to locate package pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:15.23 | heurist | Agemaniac: it is in contrib. do you have the correct values in your sources.list? |
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| 10:15.30 | sushith | search in synaptic |
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| 10:16.34 | Agemaniac | heurist, well... i dont really know if they are the correct ones :/ |
| 10:16.39 | Agemaniac | ill check in synaptic |
| 10:16.55 | heurist | dpkg: tell Agemaniac -about contrib |
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| 10:17.07 | heurist | Agemaniac: pastebin your sources.list |
| 10:18.27 | Agemaniac | heurist: here it is: http://pastebin.com/T3VYY8aB |
| 10:19.04 | heurist | Agemaniac: you are using testing, questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:20.11 | Agemaniac | alright :), ill ask there then, thanks heurist! |
| 10:20.18 | heurist | Agemaniac: it looks like testing does not have that package at this time. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:20.39 | Agemaniac | oh....This channel is invite-only. You must have an invite from an existing member of the channel to join. |
| 10:20.46 | Agemaniac | well, i wont be asking there i guess :p |
| 10:20.48 | Iridos | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 10:20.54 | Iridos | Agemaniac, on irc.oftc.net, not on freenode |
| 10:20.56 | Iridos | !v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:21.09 | Agemaniac | ah ok :D |
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| 10:21.20 | Iridos | dammit... thought dpkg also had a version feature |
| 10:21.21 | petn-randall | Agemaniac: "on irc.oftc.net", this is freenode. |
| 10:21.23 | heurist | Iridos: judd in on vacation (: |
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| 10:21.31 | petn-randall | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 10:21.34 | Iridos | yes, I noticed that :( |
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| 10:21.45 | petn-randall | looks for judd. |
| 10:21.48 | Iridos | dpkg, info pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:21.58 | heurist | wishes petn-randall good luck. |
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| 10:22.20 | Iridos | and judd does such a good job, I forgot how to use dpkg for something similar |
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| 10:22.29 | dpkg | pepperflashplugin-nonfree: (Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 19 kB |
| 10:22.53 | Iridos | Agemaniac, it's in sid |
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| 10:23.24 | Agemaniac | hmmm... should i upgrade to sid? |
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| 10:24.39 | Iridos | Agemaniac, no... sid is the evil kid of toy story, not an upgrade... but you can get that single package from there |
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| 10:25.36 | Agemaniac | Iridos, how can i do that? My apologies, im not really that good into linux yet :D |
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| 10:25.56 | heurist | Agemaniac: then you probably should not be using testing either. |
| 10:26.02 | heurist | !testing |
| 10:26.02 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 10:26.45 | Iridos | Agemaniac, I use stable. Ask the guys in #debian next... but using testing really means you know your way around debian a bit and can fix things, as it isn't too unusual for things in testing to break |
| 10:26.52 | Agemaniac | heurist, yeah, but i had problems for my video drivers in wheezy... its a new laptop, so i had quiet a lot of issues, and i found tha upgrading to jessy fixed it |
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| 10:27.23 | heurist | Agemaniac: that can be a pain, did you try the drivers from backports? |
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| 10:28.19 | Iridos | anyway... testing will be frozen in about 2 weeks... seems you just volunteered for some bug-squishing with your laptop :D |
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| 10:28.28 | Agemaniac | well, i cant tell you exactly what i did since i tried a lot of things, but i tried everything google threw at me :p |
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| 10:29.16 | Agemaniac | heurist, so that means no more updates? |
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| 10:29.57 | heurist | Agemaniac: huh? |
| 10:30.29 | Agemaniac | heurist, what does it mean when you say it will be frozen in 2 weeks? |
| 10:30.55 | Agemaniac | Iridos said * |
| 10:31.27 | heurist | Agemaniac: I did not say that. but it means you life will get worse for a few months as they work frantically to get everything working so jessie can be declared stable. |
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| 10:31.52 | Agemaniac | lol |
| 10:32.28 | heurist | Agemaniac: I would not run testing during freeze time. not unless I was planning on fixing it. |
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| 10:33.04 | Agemaniac | damn... i dont particulary feel like downgrading :/ |
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| 10:34.05 | Agemaniac | ok, thans heurist and Iridos for your help! ill think about what ill do :) |
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| 11:03.07 | tytan | I have a DataTraveler HyperX 3.0 and I want to run Debian from it like it was a SSD. So not a live system. How Do I do that? Should I install it on the pendrive like on a HDD or SSD and just setup / and /home on it? |
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| 11:07.07 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 11:54.00 | jonasl | Is there any problems with libc6 packages in sid within the last 24 hours? I get the following error when trying dist-upgrade "libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-12) but 2.19-11 is to be installed" |
| 11:54.34 | heurist | jonasl: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:55.02 | jonasl | heurist: okey, I'll try there |
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| 12:03.39 | Abhijit | anyone here worked on raid + preseed? |
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| 12:04.27 | heurist | dpkg: tell Abhijit -about crosspost |
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| 12:05.27 | rgr|android | nothing wrong with addressing two irc channels. |
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| 12:06.22 | heurist | dpkg: tell rgr|android -about crosspost |
| 12:06.46 | Abhijit | dpkg: tell heurist about crossposting in two completely different channels who is not managed by same team is fine. |
| 12:07.37 | snadge | is there a problem with the latest rsyslog update in wheezy? |
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| 12:08.16 | snadge | rsyslog : Depends: libestr0 (>= 0.1.4) but 0.1.1-2 is to be installed |
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| 12:14.29 | Iridos | it's not for the reasons stated in the factoid "crosspost" that was sent to you... |
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| 12:15.52 | Abhijit | Iridos, explain. |
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| 12:18.27 | petn-randall | snadge: That's not from the main wheezy repository, maybe you're trying to install rsyslog from wheezy-backports? Either way, you'll have to tell us what you're exactly using (apt-get, aptitude, etc?). |
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| 12:19.30 | petn-randall | Abhijit: Read the crosspost factoid. It doesn't distinguish between channels managed by the same or a different group of people. |
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| 12:20.49 | petn-randall | Abhijit: Regarding your raid/preseed question: Always assume the answer is "yes", and ask the actual question. |
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| 12:25.49 | blaubarschbube | may it be possible that upgrading mysql to 5.5.40-0+wheezy1 ends up in broken packages? |
| 12:26.28 | Brigo | ,v mysql |
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| 12:27.24 | Brigo | blaubarschbube, there is not such package in debian. |
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| 12:28.03 | Kingsy | I have just installed google chrome from here --> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/ <-- it works perfectly but the fonts are all messed up.. anyone know how to correct them? |
| 12:30.03 | bezaban | Kingsy: there is chromium in apt. 'sudo apt-get install chromium' - unless there's a specific reason you wanted chrome |
| 12:30.20 | blaubarschbube | Brigo, s/mysql/mysql-server/ |
| 12:30.25 | Kingsy | bezaban: yeah I don't want to use that.. its not compatible with addons.. |
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| 12:31.35 | wols | blaubarschbube: if you have wheezy it should all be fine to use the latest mysql from wheezy. do you have any actual problems? |
| 12:31.45 | Brigo | ,v mysql-server |
| 12:32.39 | wols | Brigo: judd is not here right now |
| 12:32.54 | Brigo | ohh :( |
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| 12:33.38 | Brigo | blaubarschbube, where did you get this mysql version? |
| 12:34.20 | Brigo | i go to go, sorry. |
| 12:34.55 | blaubarschbube | Brigo, from repo |
| 12:35.03 | blaubarschbube | my sources.list http://pastebin.com/KYhrp42P |
| 12:35.21 | blaubarschbube | wols, yes, i have some strange problems.. |
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| 12:36.34 | blaubarschbube | ooops, sry, wrong sources.list |
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| 12:38.02 | wols | maybe you should actually tells us what your real problem is |
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| 12:38.17 | blaubarschbube | http://pastebin.com/isdHRgCw |
| 12:38.34 | Kingsy | I really don't understand |
| 12:38.38 | blaubarschbube | wols, yes, i want to. but would provide this information while i am writing |
| 12:38.39 | Kingsy | am I missing a font package or soemthing? |
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| 12:41.00 | petn-randall | Kingsy: No idea, we can only support the packages from Debian. You can ask their support if they have something like that. |
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| 12:41.46 | Kingsy | hrm |
| 12:41.50 | Kingsy | okie dokie. |
| 12:41.51 | Kingsy | thanks |
| 12:42.01 | petn-randall | Kingsy: Btw, in my experience all plugins work fine with chromium. Only limitation I've seen until now is that chromium doesn't have encrypted media extensions, which is needed for netflix. |
| 12:42.07 | blaubarschbube | i upgraded mysql-server. i then had some prblems i cannot explain anymore. anyhow mysql-server didnt start. since i made a dump before i decided to reinstall mysql-server. but when i try to reinstall or uninstall mysql-server it runs the configuration which i make through installation process. so it seems not to be configured |
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| 12:43.22 | blaubarschbube | and i assume i cannot uninstall it before it got configured |
| 12:43.23 | BlueEagle | blaubarschbube: When you attempt to start the server, which errors do you get in the logs? |
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| 12:45.19 | Kingsy | ok np thanks |
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| 12:49.09 | blaubarschbube | BlueEagle, http://pastebin.com/wN6VBaHY |
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| 12:50.24 | martopoulos | maybe it's just because of the hour, but I'm not seeing the 'parse error' that crontab output is mentioning for my sudoers file: Cmnd_Alias APACHE_MANAGEMENT = /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, /etc/init.d/apache2 reload, service apache2 restart, service apache2 reload |
| 12:50.34 | martopoulos | what is wrong with that statement? |
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| 12:57.05 | blaubarschbube | this is what apt-get autoremove says http://pastebin.com/ti5mc2E9 |
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| 12:57.40 | alreece45 | shay_shay: btrfs update: still noticeably slower with dpkg, but I may have learned enough to figure it out this time, though |
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| 12:59.18 | petn-randall | blaubarschbube: Guess you changed the init script of mysql, you can run it with "bash -x" to see where exactly it fails. |
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| 13:00.08 | petn-randall | blaubarschbube: Either that or you changed the password for the mysql user "debian-sys-maint" ... or maybe something completely different. |
| 13:01.03 | blaubarschbube | i set a password as i got ask from the configuration routine. thats all. and i am sure that this was the same password as it was before |
| 13:01.27 | blaubarschbube | and no, i did not edit the init script by hand |
| 13:01.56 | petn-randall | blaubarschbube: Then run the init script with "bash -x" and we'll see where it fails. |
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| 13:03.03 | petn-randall | "bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql stop", or if that fails, change the first line in the script to "#!/bin/bash -x". |
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| 13:04.17 | zilberstein | hello #debian |
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| 13:04.38 | zilberstein | how to prevent certain package from being installed accidentally ? |
| 13:04.58 | zilberstein | I want to make sure that CRAP systemd wont be installed on my host |
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| 13:05.34 | dindinx | zilberstein: you can probably pin sysvinit-core so it won't be uninstalled |
| 13:05.40 | heurist | zilberstein: you control what is installed, if you do not want something just do not install it. |
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| 13:06.01 | petn-randall | zilberstein: That won't happen on wheezy, sysinit-core is an essential package. |
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| 13:06.51 | zilberstein | heurist, `very useful` advice |
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| 13:07.15 | zilberstein | petn-randall, I use testing, as I needed newer libvirt |
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| 13:08.08 | petn-randall | zilberstein: Then check apt-preferences to pin sysinit-core up or systemd down. |
| 13:08.21 | zilberstein | petn-randall, thanks |
| 13:08.46 | petn-randall | zilberstein: man apt_preferences |
| 13:08.51 | zilberstein | wonders what idiot one must be to depend from systemd. Are those gnome devs nuts ? |
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| 13:09.36 | [ANNE] | Hi |
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| 13:11.31 | BlueEagle | zalami: That is a tad !ot and not really support related. How about flame baiting in #gnome instead? |
| 13:12.03 | alreece45 | is there a recommended way help apt-get/dpkg perform well on btrfs |
| 13:12.17 | BlueEagle | zalami: Happy tab complete day. That one was for zilberstein, but he left. :) |
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| 13:14.40 | DammitJim | are you serious BlueEagle ? |
| 13:15.00 | DammitJim | I can't live w/o my |<--/-->| Tab key |
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| 13:16.05 | BlueEagle | DammitJim: I think you misunderstood. I did [Z][Tab], but after zilberstein had left, so it entered zalami instead. What was your question again? |
| 13:16.25 | DammitJim | if today is "Happy tab complete day?" |
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| 13:16.39 | Guest85188 | There is a line from getfacl's that says: 'flags: -s-'. What does it mean? |
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| 13:17.17 | Guest85188 | from getfacl's output that is. |
| 13:17.26 | fjfalcon | Hello. Our employee deleted many libs... i want to restore system |
| 13:17.32 | BlueEagle | DammitJim: No, I just say that when I miscomplete nicks so that they don't get all confused when reading their away logs. |
| 13:17.35 | DammitJim | why would anyone put an alias in the .inputrc file? |
| 13:17.37 | fjfalcon | cant install any package - got this error |
| 13:17.42 | DammitJim | doesn't that normally go on .bashrc? |
| 13:17.44 | fjfalcon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.49 | DammitJim | LOL @ BlueEagle |
| 13:17.51 | fjfalcon | is there anyway to install debconf ? |
| 13:18.05 | BlueEagle | !enter |
| 13:18.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:18.21 | Moho | Hello |
| 13:18.24 | blaubarschbube | bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql status http://pastebin.com/Y0J8DdW9 |
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| 13:18.48 | BlueEagle | blaubarschbube: I am sorry, but I did not know how to resolve your mysql issue. :/ |
| 13:19.14 | Moho | I would like to have some help for emailing campaign with interpire plz. |
| 13:19.30 | blaubarschbube | bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql stop http://pastebin.com/TNnWjJL1 |
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| 13:20.14 | blaubarschbube | bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start http://pastebin.com/9vMUXp4g |
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| 13:20.58 | blaubarschbube | BlueEagle, np. i remeber that you helped me a lot in the past ;) |
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| 13:21.54 | BlueEagle | Moho: I can help you on the condition that you allow me to forward all the unwanted marketing emails (read: spam) you your email address, and that you will confirm that you have read all of them for an entire year. |
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| 13:22.08 | BlueEagle | s/you your/to your/ |
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| 13:23.12 | shay_shay | alreece45: dpkg is your benchmark? |
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| 13:25.34 | Moho | BlueEagle So you would read all of my email ? |
| 13:25.51 | Moho | All of my campaign ? Or what :) |
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| 13:27.45 | shay_shay | alreece45: OK well with default mount flags, all things considered btrfs is marginally less performant, but the extra features in the file system make me want to use it despite that |
| 13:28.47 | shay_shay | alreece45: and with some tuning you can make it perform better |
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| 13:30.08 | BlueEagle | Moho: No, I would not. I would assist you with the technical question you had in exchange for you reading the spam I receive. |
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| 13:30.24 | alreece45 | shay_shay: dpkg/apt-get call a lot of fsync()s which apparently kills speed |
| 13:30.41 | JenniferB2 | How do I execute a second script, relative to the first script ( using aliases to call the first one ) |
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| 13:31.16 | Moho | BlueEagle :/ It's not a good deal :| |
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| 13:31.43 | shay_shay | alreece45: ask in #btrfs yet? They may know a work around. Many of the devs use Debian |
| 13:32.01 | BlueEagle | Moho: Indeed it is not. However I would find it suprising if you would find someone to help yet another spammer get going. :) |
| 13:32.02 | alreece45 | shay_shay: Not yet, I'll try there out |
| 13:32.24 | JenniferB2 | #!bin/bash ./SecondScript.sh argument .. is resulting in "no such command" |
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| 13:34.19 | Moho | BlueEagle I'm not a spammer ^^ I'm trying to sent just some little campaign for 500 email per week to my own client, but i have 50 % of this email go to spam. |
| 13:34.23 | Moho | :') |
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| 13:36.49 | Guest85188 | Hi. I have to set certain user and group for mounted fs which is ext4. It won't accept gid or uid so I thought that chown on mount point will fix the issue but I guess that after reboot the mout point will change to root's since after executing mount -a this is excaly what happed. Any advices how to keep mount point's user and group after reboot other the rc.local in combination with chown? |
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| 13:39.47 | frostschutz | Guest85188, you do chown etc. after the mount, not before |
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| 13:40.22 | frostschutz | Guest85188, once you mount, the mountpoint permissions are those of the mounted filesystem's /. |
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| 13:41.52 | JenniferB2 | Anyone? |
| 13:42.02 | jelly | Guest85188: just mount the filesystem, then set ownerships as desired |
| 13:42.19 | Guest85188 | frostschutz, well, I noticed that, but how to prevent it or how to set filesyste's parmission permanently chown in /dev/vg/lv ? |
| 13:42.22 | JenniferB2 | I was able to it like this: http://pastebin.com/E7kcJMmM |
| 13:42.56 | JenniferB2 | but it seems kind of backwards ... the ${DIR} is to get the current directory of the executing script to execute the next one as relative to that one |
| 13:43.09 | frostschutz | Guest85188, it's permanent |
| 13:43.50 | jelly | JenniferB2: looking at dirname of $0 is pretty much the only way. |
| 13:43.59 | Guest85188 | frostschutz, what do you mean? It can't be changed? |
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| 13:44.09 | jelly | JenniferB2: even then, symlinks will mess that up |
| 13:44.10 | frostschutz | Guest85188, whatever you change in a mounted filesystem stored by that filesystem and is therefore permanent; so if you change permissions of /. of a filesystem, it sticks, regardless where you mount it in the future |
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| 13:45.16 | Guest85188 | frostschutz, oh thanks, let me try that out. |
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| 13:46.49 | JenniferB2 | jelly, ok thanks .. I got my answer from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/59895/can-a-bash-script-tell-what-directory-its-stored-in .. there a couple of ways to do it ... I guess the top answer is the best then? |
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| 13:48.10 | jelly | JenniferB2: no idea, sorry, that's too bash-specific for me |
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| 13:54.47 | Guest85188 | frostschutz, kudos, now I feel like a complete idiot! |
| 13:54.51 | BlueEagle | Moho: If you can't send your emails by telnetting to the smtp-server then you're spamming. ;) |
| 13:55.01 | Guest85188 | frostschutz, thank again and bye. |
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| 13:56.16 | Moho | BlueEagle, Not all my emails goes to spam, juste 50 % ! |
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| 13:57.59 | caraconan | Hi there. I want to be connected at the same time to 2 VPNs and internet, but getting an error while trying to add a route: http://paste.debian.net/128322/ Any help will be appreciated |
| 13:58.00 | petn-randall | Moho: The only relevant question is: What does this have to do with Debian? |
| 13:58.17 | Moho | My server is a debian one ! lol |
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| 14:00.32 | petn-randall | caraconan: 10.234.19.0/24 is not the subnet where the IP of tun0 (172.21.5.84) is on. As such, it needs a gateway that's on the same subnet as your interface. |
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| 14:01.43 | [jasper] | hej guys, is it possible to spin down m harddisks when they're not being used? |
| 14:01.49 | [jasper] | I'm using debian on a selfmade nas with 4 sata disks |
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| 14:02.41 | bw_ | [jasper]: hdparam should do the job |
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| 14:03.42 | petn-randall | [jasper]: "hdparm", you can set it at boot with /etc/hdparm.conf. |
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| 14:06.28 | caraconan | Hi again. What's wrong with this line? sudo route add -net 10.234.19.0 gw 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 dev tun0 |
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| 14:06.35 | caraconan | tun0 exists |
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| 14:07.52 | jelly | caraconan: a netmask of /0 looks weird. |
| 14:07.58 | caraconan | ok, solved |
| 14:08.00 | caraconan | jelly: thanks |
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| 14:08.26 | jelly | caraconan: use ip route for new code, on Linux. |
| 14:08.32 | jelly | ...or not |
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| 14:13.49 | BlueEagle | Moho: I fear we're off topic, but does that mean that the recipients spam filter fails 50% of the time? |
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| 14:14.53 | brentaarnold | I'm having trouble installing MATE desktop on a new installation of Debian 7.7, it tells me that the mate-desktop-environment is not found. |
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| 14:15.27 | Moho | I have send many campaign with my server and others with Mailchimp. After that, i have realized that 50 % of my campaign sent with my server go to spam. Example : If i have 10 % for open rate in Mailchimp, in my own server i can have just 5 % of open rate. BlueEagle |
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| 14:16.24 | reineke | Hi all! I am confioguring Debian / Jessie on a iBook G4 and have trouble to setup the keyboard. Any helpful soul here? |
| 14:16.27 | reineke | Son |
| 14:16.46 | reineke | Some keys such as AT SIGN or PIPE do not fucntion |
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| 14:21.04 | tsam | reineke: maybe change your layout? |
| 14:21.14 | tsam | I suppose there are mac specific layouts. |
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| 14:22.09 | reineke | tsam: thx, I tried to write a file in xorg.conf.d with appropriate settings, I am not sure it is read |
| 14:22.33 | sebcorbin | hello there, after an attack, i canât remove a malicious file rm etc/init.d/ssh |
| 14:22.34 | sebcorbin | rm: cannot remove âetc/init.d/sshâ: Operation not permitted |
| 14:22.38 | reineke | I have set option nodedekeys, but still some keys are dead: it seems the file is not read at all |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | sebcorbin: lsattr /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 14:24.14 | tsam | sebcorbin: ls -l etc/init.d/ssh; lsattr /etc/init.d/ssh ? |
| 14:24.19 | sebcorbin | abrotman: s---ia---------- etc/init.d/ssh |
| 14:24.25 | abrotman | sebcorbin: it's immutable |
| 14:24.40 | sebcorbin | abrotman: how can I change it back to mutable ? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | chattr -i /path/to/file |
| 14:25.24 | abrotman | is pretty sure if someone was that far into a box, he'd take it offline first |
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| 14:25.51 | sebcorbin | abrotman: iâm in rescue mode |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | And? |
| 14:26.10 | sebcorbin | for the record, the attack came from http://stablehost.us/bots/regular.bot |
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| 14:26.22 | sebcorbin | abrotman: Iâm just doing some bakups |
| 14:26.32 | abrotman | sebcorbin: ah, you mean it's already offline? |
| 14:27.06 | sebcorbin | abrotman: itâs âofflineâ, but in rescue mode == mounted on a live distrib by my hosting provider |
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| 14:27.31 | abrotman | Right, okay |
| 14:27.58 | jelly | where it came from is usually less interesting than how it got in |
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| 14:28.16 | sebcorbin | jelly: Iâd say shellshock |
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| 14:28.47 | sebcorbin | but iâm quite a noob |
| 14:29.44 | oznt | hi guys, I created my own package and when I install with apt-get install mypackage.deb apt-get complains: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) (if I install it with dpkg -i mypackage.deb i don't see errors). Any idea how to solve the issue? |
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| 14:30.10 | sebcorbin | abrotman: thanks a lot for the tip |
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| 14:32.30 | reineke | How can I change keyboard conf without terminating X session? |
| 14:32.31 | Iridos | oznt, there should be more error output than that one line |
| 14:34.03 | oznt | Iridos: there is not error I see on the console. Is there another place where apt-get logs to ? |
| 14:34.18 | Iridos | dpkg, tell reineke about keymap |
| 14:34.35 | Moho` | ... |
| 14:34.52 | sebcorbin | what the attribute flag âsecure deletion (s)â means ? |
| 14:34.55 | sebcorbin | does |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | in lsattr? |
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| 14:35.11 | sebcorbin | abrotman: yep |
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| 14:35.35 | abrotman | sebcorbin: man chattr, it describes each flag |
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| 14:35.55 | sebcorbin | sry, rtfm myself :) |
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| 14:41.08 | Iridos | oznt, a bunch, dpkg logs to /var/log/dpkg.log /var/log/apt/* and (if using aptitude) /var/log/aptitude ... and yes... running dpkg manually would really be the way to see its error. not sure why you wouldn't |
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| 14:50.56 | brentaarnold | apt-get -f install isn't working for me for the purpose of install dependencies with a package |
| 14:51.02 | brentaarnold | Is this the correct command? |
| 14:51.24 | rozie | no. |
| 14:51.24 | abrotman | did you apt-get update first? |
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| 14:52.19 | brentaarnold | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:52.36 | brentaarnold | rozie: You have a better command for it? |
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| 14:53.03 | rozie | it won't install dependencies. it tries to solve problem. |
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| 14:55.19 | MY123 | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/index.htm?iid=.. |
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| 14:55.36 | MY123 | Intel has not updated their page. |
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| 14:58.35 | SonikkuAmerica | Uh-oh... I just installed Debian 7.7 via the install DVD (1), but GDM won't start (apt claims gnome-control-center-data replaces gdm, but it clearly doesn't, given that gdm is an unrecognized service). How do I get GDM and enable it with no internet connection? |
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| 15:01.28 | MY123 | SonikkuAmerica: Download the second DVD |
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| 15:02.29 | SonikkuAmerica | MY123: Is it in the second DVD? |
| 15:02.48 | MY123 | SonikkuAmerica: Try apt-get install gdm3 |
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| 15:02.57 | SonikkuAmerica | Okie-dokie |
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| 15:07.15 | SonikkuAmerica | MY123: No such luck. (a) gdm3 is already installed, (b) [ sudo service gdm3 start ] fails. |
| 15:07.17 | Miesco | Hi, when I try to compile, I get glib.h: not found |
| 15:07.27 | Miesco | I have libglib2.0-dev |
| 15:07.41 | SonikkuAmerica | Miesco: Do you have libc6 and glibc? |
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| 15:09.15 | Milos | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libt1-dev |
| 15:09.19 | Milos | why is this not in testing? |
| 15:09.20 | Milos | I'm confused |
| 15:10.03 | SonikkuAmerica | MY123: However it seems systemd and libpam-systemd are required. I will check for those. |
| 15:10.28 | Miesco | SonikkuAmerica: Yes |
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| 15:10.43 | heurist | Milos: maybe ask the testing guys in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:10.44 | tikun | anyone have any experience running debian under hyper-v? |
| 15:10.55 | Milos | heurist, but I am correct that it is not in testing? |
| 15:10.58 | Milos | right? |
| 15:11.06 | Miesco | SonikkuAmerica: Shall I install 'glibc-source'? |
| 15:11.22 | heurist | Milos: no idea, we we use stable here? let me look. |
| 15:11.41 | heurist | ,v libt1-dev |
| 15:11.42 | judd | Package: libt1-dev on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.2-3+squeeze1; squeeze: 5.1.2-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.1.2-3.6 |
| 15:11.47 | SonikkuAmerica | Miesco: Can't be sure... I'm not a compiler... |
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| 15:12.09 | heurist | Miesco: yes, it is not in testing nor in unstable. |
| 15:12.33 | Milos | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libt1-dev |
| 15:12.37 | Milos | sid == unstable |
| 15:12.46 | Milos | oh |
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| 15:12.50 | Milos | yeah it's not in there |
| 15:12.51 | Milos | I see |
| 15:12.54 | Milos | (for amd64 anyway) |
| 15:13.09 | heurist | dpkg: tell Milos -about enter |
| 15:13.17 | Milos | yes it's not punctuation |
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| 15:13.41 | Miesco | heurist: Did you mean to address Milos? |
| 15:13.49 | Milos | yes |
| 15:14.02 | heurist | Milos: I did. |
| 15:14.16 | Milos | no, you addressed Miesco |
| 15:14.41 | contigo | dpkg --configure -a has been running for a long time and system load is high, should I wait? this is after a failed upgrade related to bug #765434 on sid. |
| 15:14.41 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, contigo |
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| 15:16.22 | heurist | contigo: I would suspect something is wrong, but questions about sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:16.52 | contigo | heurist: thanks for the pointer |
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| 15:17.58 | SonikkuAmerica | Shoot. Not even installing systemd did the trick. |
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| 15:18.34 | Miesco | SonikkuAmerica: Here is the Makefile: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/w6xTpV3E7Q9BTxocWGgY/ |
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| 15:19.18 | SonikkuAmerica | MY123: No such luck. |
| 15:19.31 | jhutchins_wk | SonikkuAmerica: Nothing in stable should require systemd. |
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| 15:19.52 | jhutchins_wk | SonikkuAmerica: Perhaps you should determine WHY gdm isn't starting. |
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| 15:20.38 | SonikkuAmerica | jhutchins_wk: Every log I've looked at tells me "blah, I'm lazy, I'm dropping your display sever" |
| 15:20.40 | SonikkuAmerica | *server |
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| 15:21.13 | Miesco | SonikkuAmerica: Do you know how I could add /usr/include/glib-2.0 to the include dirs? |
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| 15:21.41 | jhutchins_wk | SonikkuAmerica: /var/log/Xorg.0.log? /etc/init.d/gdm start? /usr/sbin/gdm? |
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| 15:22.19 | SonikkuAmerica | jhutchins_wk: Tried 'em all. Xorg keeps giving me error: no screens found, as if there wasn't a spare tty to use... |
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| 15:23.14 | Brigo | SonikkuAmerica, can you paste your Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net' |
| 15:23.47 | SonikkuAmerica | Brigo: Sure |
| 15:23.49 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: what video card do you have? |
| 15:24.01 | SonikkuAmerica | abrotman: Intel HD 4600 |
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| 15:25.47 | SonikkuAmerica | http://paste.debian.net/128356/ <<< Brigo , abrotman , jhutchins_wk |
| 15:25.55 | SonikkuAmerica | ^ /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:27.07 | abrotman | it's using VESA |
| 15:27.18 | SonikkuAmerica | Eek! Why on earth?! |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | driver too old I would guess |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: do you have internets? |
| 15:27.31 | jhutchins_wk | SonikkuAmerica: No Screens Found has nothing to do with ttys. |
| 15:27.46 | SonikkuAmerica | It needs to use the Intel video driver, not VESA... how do I tell it to do that? |
| 15:27.47 | jhutchins_wk | SonikkuAmerica: Have you ever worked with an xorg.conf? |
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| 15:27.56 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: it should do it magically |
| 15:28.07 | SonikkuAmerica | jhutchins_wk: A few times, when I had a NVIDIA graphics card... |
| 15:28.21 | SonikkuAmerica | abrotman: There's no connection in that machine |
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| 15:28.43 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: do you have any way to fetch packages from elsewhere? |
| 15:28.56 | SonikkuAmerica | abrotman: I may have to go directly to jessie if the driver's too old |
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| 15:30.03 | abrotman | so try it |
| 15:30.04 | SonikkuAmerica | Thanks, now I know :D |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell brentaarnold about root |
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| 15:30.25 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: if you want to be sure, man intel |
| 15:31.14 | Brigo | and backports? |
| 15:31.49 | Brigo | ,v xorg |
| 15:31.50 | SonikkuAmerica | It says HD 2000-6000 are supported... |
| 15:31.51 | judd | Package: xorg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; sid: 1:7.7+7 |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | Brigo: there's a backport for that driver, but he doesn't have intarwebs |
| 15:32.40 | SonikkuAmerica | I do know that HD 4600 is supported in LMDE's Update Pack 8 which uses jessie |
| 15:32.57 | abrotman | SonikkuAmerica: See line 117, does your device match? |
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| 15:34.44 | SonikkuAmerica | Mine is Ivy Bridge, but not explicitly listed |
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| 15:51.16 | Miesco | Hi, I think I need glib1.x |
| 15:51.24 | Miesco | What package is this in? :) |
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| 15:53.08 | tharkun | My monitor decided to only offer a low resolution to linux. How can I add an extra line to xrandr so it can force the monitor to display correctly? Is xrandr the tool or do I need a different tool? |
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| 15:55.58 | thingfish | tharkun: is this right after a fresh install? |
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| 15:56.46 | tharkun | thingfish: No, It was working fine yesterday on the debina wheezy machine and the debian jessie machine. |
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| 15:58.11 | tharkun | thingfish: this are dual headed systems. |
| 15:58.48 | lmfao | msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy gzip: stdin has more than one entry--rest ignored |
| 15:58.48 | lmfao | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 15:58.48 | lmfao | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 15:59.07 | lmfao | i'm sorry |
| 15:59.15 | lmfao | Hi, I have a problem with extracting any file type |
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| 15:59.25 | lmfao | this is my problem Debian wheezy |
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| 15:59.35 | lmfao | please help me |
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| 16:03.13 | lmfao | ? |
| 16:03.16 | lmfao | please help |
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| 16:06.56 | Brigo | lmfao, can you paste the command you are using? |
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| 16:07.19 | ChrisH | What is the debian way to enable a new ssl site in apache2.2? I did change ports.conf; cp sites-available/default-ssl sites-available/newsite-ssl and enabled it via a2ensite but no listener shows up nor any errors in any log. What did I missed? |
| 16:07.28 | lmfao | tar xvf Atraci-linux32.tgz |
| 16:07.29 | lmfao | ;) |
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| 16:08.24 | lmfao | no matter what the problem command problem is the same |
| 16:09.20 | ChrisH | ah... found it. edited ports.conf incorrect/incomplete |
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| 16:10.28 | gusto | hi ppl, someone an idea if it is true, what i just heard from one friend of mine, that not using trim (discard) does make the SSD's break sooner? |
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| 16:11.44 | CissWit | gusto: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
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| 16:12.44 | BlueEagle | gusto: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#TRIM Yes, it is an archlinux wiki, but I think it still applies. |
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| 16:13.55 | BlueEagle | gusto: In essence Trim balances the writes across the disk, so that no one location is written to way more than the others. Since SSDs have a limited number of times they can be written this helps prolong the life of the drive. |
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| 16:17.33 | frostschutz | gusto, trim is nice to have. if you can live with the downsides (whatever you trim is gone, no recovery). most people won't notice the difference, as most don't come anywhere near an SSD's write limit ... and balancing is done regardless whether you trim or not. |
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| 16:18.33 | gusto | " and balancing is done regardless whether you trim or not. " that is a contradiction to what BlueEagle said |
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| 16:18.45 | gusto | so now we have two opinions again |
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| 16:19.44 | frostschutz | gusto, it's more efficient with trim than without. more free blocks for the SSD to trade in, less old data for the SSD to keep around when it has to move things around |
| 16:19.59 | gusto | however, the problem is that I disabled TRIM (discard) on my netbook with SSD (btrfs filesystem) because with TRIM enabled (discard mount option on) it was painfully slow, now it is faster, but ppl say that it might shorten the SSD's life |
| 16:20.07 | lmfao | please help me |
| 16:20.31 | gusto | frostschutz, then it is not a problem, because I do TRIM manually with fstrim |
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| 16:20.45 | frostschutz | gusto, not sure about btrfs. but as for trim being slow, if possible you'd use fstrim instead of discard and run it like only once a week or once a month. |
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| 16:21.11 | gusto | frostschutz, thats exactly what I am doing, I ve read that on the debian wiki so |
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| 16:21.46 | gusto | frostschutz, I do not seem to be the only one who is experiencing slow writes with discard option on |
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| 16:21.51 | tsam | I have 4 disks. sd[abc] are in a RAID5 configuration, sdd is a spare disk. If I deboostrap on sdd, will I be able to boot on it (assuming I tell the BIOS to boot on that disk)? |
| 16:21.53 | frostschutz | gusto, I'm doing that as well. but most people don't (for example, ubuntu to this day does not trim by default except for a few select known SSD models) and they don't notice any difference ;) |
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| 16:22.00 | tsam | Or do I have to do something else? |
| 16:22.11 | frostschutz | gusto, many SSD also have bugs in regards to trim, so trim unfortunately can cause data loss under some circumstances |
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| 16:22.18 | gusto | and that is also something that makes me wonder, because what does take it so long? I mean ... it's an SSD, so discarding should go faster |
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| 16:22.50 | frostschutz | tsam, I guess you'd need to remove it first and mdadm --zero-superblock it if you want to use it for something else rather than a spare |
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| 16:23.21 | nabblet | hi, i have /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc on a laptop, listed as floppy devices. how do I check why I have those entries and if I can remove (umount) then? |
| 16:23.24 | nabblet | *them |
| 16:23.42 | gusto | frostschutz, LOL, then it's best to use ZFS on SSD's with checksums enabled ... maybe BTRFS supports checksums as well, I do not remember |
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| 16:24.01 | frostschutz | gusto, dunno, I don't care much for checksums myself |
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| 16:24.19 | gusto | frostschutz, then, how do you notice a data loss? |
| 16:24.33 | wols | nabblet: under what command do sdb and sdc show up? |
| 16:24.36 | tsam | frostschutz: I have removed if from the mdadm conf already. I didn't know about --zero-superblock. (thanks). Do you think after that a deboostrap + reboot is the way to go? |
| 16:24.43 | tsam | Or anyone else? :) |
| 16:24.45 | nabblet | wols: mount |
| 16:25.01 | nabblet | wols: oh sorry, i mean 'ls -al /dev/sd*' |
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| 16:25.38 | wols | nabblet: that doesn't mean anything. do a dmesg |grep sdb for example. but just cause you have a device node doesn't mean anything at all, certainly not that anything is mounted |
| 16:25.55 | tsam | nabblet: hdparm -i /dev/sdb, fdisk -l /dev/sdb or parted -l /dev/sdb might help. |
| 16:26.44 | tsam | (to identify them, I mean) |
| 16:27.10 | nabblet | wols: dmesg is spammed with failed writes and so on |
| 16:27.30 | nabblet | tsam: sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdb -> /dev/sdb: No such device or address |
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| 16:27.34 | wols | then use the hdparm command tsam told you. |
| 16:27.40 | nabblet | tsam: the fdisk returns nothing |
| 16:27.56 | wols | nabblet: dmesg |grep sdb and give us the output in a pastebin. the full output |
| 16:28.00 | nabblet | wols: tsam so could it be that this is just some left-over from a hastily removed pen drive? |
| 16:28.06 | socomm | nabblet: You'll need to run fdisk with super user privileges - 'fdisk -l'. |
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| 16:28.37 | nabblet | http://paste.debian.net/128364/ |
| 16:28.58 | nabblet | socomm: yes i did use sudo. sorry for not mentioning but good catch though :) |
| 16:29.31 | wols | yes it is/was a usb stick: [324106.514865] sd 73:0:0:0: [sdb] 3950415 512-byte logical blocks: (2.02 GB/1.88 GiB) |
| 16:29.40 | nabblet | wols: ok, so I just umount it? |
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| 16:29.58 | wols | there is nothing to unmount |
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| 16:30.22 | nabblet | argh, yes, sorry... don't know why this is stuck in my head. so how do i get rid of the /dev/sd* entries? |
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| 16:31.18 | wols | nabblet: reboot will probably do it. but why would one care? |
| 16:32.14 | nabblet | wols: I just saw it and was wondering |
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| 16:32.46 | tsam | nabblet: you don't need to do this (this is harmless). But if you really want to do it : echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/sdb/device/delete |
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| 16:33.26 | nabblet | tsam: if i insert an pendrive it's mounted to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 - so there is no conflic or whatsoever? |
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| 16:34.28 | tsam | nabblet: sdb is your drive, sdb1 is a partition on this drive. |
| 16:34.34 | tsam | You always have both. |
| 16:34.48 | tsam | Except if you use the whole drive as a partition (but this is deprecated). |
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| 16:36.31 | nabblet | tsam: ah ok, and the fact that I had a /dev/sdb previously is no problem? |
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| 16:37.46 | tsam | nabblet: no. sdb should disappear by itself, but if it doesn't, your system will increase the name (sda sdb sdc sdd sde... sdz sdaa sdab etc) |
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| 16:38.53 | nabblet | tsam: ah ok. thanks for your help. wols thank you |
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| 16:41.49 | tsam | nabblet: The pleasure is mine. |
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| 16:43.56 | nightolo | is there any way to call make from another directory? I have a package with two tarballs and cd directory; make does not seem to work in override_dh_auto_install |
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| 16:45.08 | nightolo | ok found, -D :D |
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| 16:46.45 | somiaj | nightolo: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place to ask packing questions if you have more issues with this package you are trying to build |
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| 16:47.39 | raz | hmm, the new amazon frankfurt region is up for multiple hours now but still no debian ami |
| 16:47.44 | raz | is disappoint! |
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| 17:07.40 | Roenie | Are there any problems or manual steps involved in installing debian in UEFI mode? |
| 17:08.34 | Roenie | assuming my live boot cd uses using UEFI, is that all it takes? |
| 17:08.45 | Wulf | How can I select and generate locales? "dpkg-reconfigure locales" only shows some warnings and does nothing useful |
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| 17:08.47 | Roenie | uses using=boots using |
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| 17:10.04 | Roenie | Wulf, I saved my locale config files, I just copy those around and edit as needed |
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| 17:10.35 | Roenie | generating locales, I dunno |
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| 17:14.39 | alreece45 | I'm debating between using iptables, or saving some time and using something like ufw/shorewall on my desktop. Anyone have any recommendations? |
| 17:14.58 | rgr | alreece45: might help if you say exactly what it is you want to do. |
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| 17:15.12 | rgr | That might dictate how "time can be saved" ;) |
| 17:15.15 | Wulf | alreece45: when it comes to iptables settings, I trust my own judgements. |
| 17:15.34 | somiaj | alreece45: you most likely not need a firewall on your desktop, what services are you installing that you need to block access? |
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| 17:16.02 | rgr | Im fairly sure the front ends are pretty good... and less prone to screw up that a lot of people at the command line. |
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| 17:16.07 | alreece45 | rgr: Its just a desktop/workstation. SSH/synergy/web for the most part. |
| 17:16.11 | somiaj | alreece45: usually a decent router is enough to proect your desktop. |
| 17:16.26 | rgr | I doubt there#s much you need to do. Do it at the router is my advice. |
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| 17:17.24 | Wulf | routers can be compromised, other devices be added to the network (e.g. wireless), etc. |
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| 17:17.30 | alreece45 | somiaj: Well, it seems sometimes apps start random listeners on ports. At the moment, I'm about to look at why systemd, rpcbind, and a few other things decided to start |
| 17:17.41 | alreece45 | *start listening on every interface |
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| 17:18.37 | alreece45 | (ah, cups socket activation, for systemd) |
| 17:18.50 | somiaj | cups shouldn't be listening on anything except localhost |
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| 17:19.46 | alreece45 | somiaj: You're right. |
| 17:20.32 | somiaj | for the most part (now maybe this isn't always the case) there shuldn't be things listening on ports unless you explicity install it to do so, and in that case you probably don't want to block the port |
| 17:21.30 | duckx0r | I have a stupid question. I added an entry to my /etc/hosts file for a domain to resolve to a different IP address, but when I execute `hosts domain.com` it returns the old IP address. is this normal behavior? |
| 17:21.32 | xryz | alreece45, try CSF is very fast to configure |
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| 17:22.45 | xryz | somebody know how to lock any users ftp/ssh in their personal folder |
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| 17:23.03 | xryz | Ex: /home/user/ so they cannot leave from there |
| 17:23.32 | somiaj | xryz: look up chroot user for ssh and for your ftp client |
| 17:23.42 | alreece45 | xryz: Often, there's an option to configure a chroot, but that's a bit more complicated for ssh |
| 17:24.09 | xryz | ok, thanks guys ill check ir right now |
| 17:24.28 | sterns | hello. I've been running Jesse w/gnome3 for a couple months on my system. Yesterday, I reinstalled using the Beta 2 installer. Since that time, X is freezing in strange ways. |
| 17:24.42 | alreece45 | apparently sane-utils was listening to ::6466 and 0.0.0.0:6566 |
| 17:24.52 | rgr | sterns: what strange ways |
| 17:25.05 | sterns | sometimes the mouse will move, but nothing on screen is responsive. and a few minutes ago, I was able to tab between windows, but nothing else |
| 17:25.19 | rgr | try without gnome 3. (I hate gnome3) |
| 17:25.22 | sterns | I can still alt-f1 to a console |
| 17:25.47 | rgr | try xfce or something - select from the login dialog. |
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| 17:26.10 | sterns | rgr: thanks, but I'm not ready to ditch gnome3 just yet :) |
| 17:26.16 | rgr | that will determine if its really an X issue as opposed to that bloated mess gnome 3. |
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| 17:26.29 | rgr | sure, but try it to minimise the unknowns. |
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| 17:27.06 | rgr | I use jessie with effectively zero issues - certainly no X issues but I have a intel HD graphics card which, while not leading edge, is pretty stable. |
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| 17:27.43 | rgr | also of course check your X logs and syslog. |
| 17:27.55 | sterns | rgr: yes, I wasn't having any issues either until this reinstall |
| 17:28.13 | sterns | I'll look at xlogs |
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| 17:29.31 | rgr | did you have an xorg.conf on your previous install? Always a good idea to keep an /etc backup imo. |
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| 17:32.22 | JordiGH | apt-get and aptitude are both segfaulting. |
| 17:32.32 | JordiGH | debsums seems to think everything is ok... |
| 17:32.40 | JordiGH | What else could I try? |
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| 17:33.04 | Skyrider | Anyone happen to know a process monitor for Squueze by any chance? |
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| 17:33.16 | rwp | JordiGH, If programs that are otherwise good are segfaulting then it is either libraries or hardware. |
| 17:33.35 | rwp | JordiGH, Do you have mcelog installed? Check it for machine check exceptions. |
| 17:33.37 | Skyrider | FPM is randomly taking more resources than usual.. and I'd like to know if there's a monitor for it that can look into the details for all apps, fpm included. |
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| 17:33.42 | JordiGH | rwp: What is mcelog? |
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| 17:33.57 | JordiGH | Looks like I have it installed... |
| 17:34.01 | rwp | JordiGH, I always hope for bad ram. Run memtest. Bad ram is easy to fix. |
| 17:34.35 | JordiGH | rwp: Like, the memtest option from GRUB? |
| 17:34.41 | rwp | JordiGH, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mcelog |
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| 17:34.45 | sterns | rgr: this is intersting, there are no xorg logs being generated? |
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| 17:34.58 | JordiGH | rwp: Yes, I see that, I still don't understand the description of what this thing is. |
| 17:35.06 | rwp | Of course I realize that if apt is segfaulting that installing it is a problem. |
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| 17:35.39 | rwp | If the cpu has an internal error then that is a machine check exception. |
| 17:35.57 | rwp | For example if it is moving data from memory to cache and then pulls it out of cache but it fails parity. |
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| 17:36.00 | tharkun | thingfish: Thanks the problem was the connecting cable. |
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| 17:36.12 | rwp | Then it must trap that and flush the cache line and try again. |
| 17:36.23 | rwp | That is a machine check exception. There are many possible internal errors. |
| 17:36.25 | JordiGH | Looks like I have it installed. |
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| 17:37.29 | rwp | Skyrider, I would like that too. Probably something exists. But probably nothing that perfectly fits. |
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| 17:38.14 | FARYEL | HELLO |
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| 17:40.48 | Skyrider | Anything that works would be nice :p |
| 17:40.53 | Skyrider | Thus far I can't seem to find it. |
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| 17:49.20 | rwp | Skyrider, General things would almost never be specific enough for an individual thing like fpm. You would probably be better off to write a monitor script for it specifically. Then possibly consider nagios or monit or something to run it periodically. |
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| 17:51.34 | JordiGH | Oh, maybe I'm hit by this bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=81829 |
| 17:51.53 | JordiGH | Maybe I have a corrupt file after some forced reboot. |
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| 17:52.26 | JordiGH | No, wait, I'm supposedly running a fixed apt version. |
| 17:52.28 | rwp | JordiGH, That bug is from 2001. |
| 17:52.32 | zerick | Has anybody used travis-ci.org to build debian packages ? |
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| 17:53.13 | JordiGH | Right, for some reason I read 81829 as a six-digit number, which made me think this was a very recent bug. |
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| 17:53.36 | rwp | JordiGH, Good luck on finding the problem! |
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| 17:54.16 | somiaj | JordiGH: is this on stable? |
| 17:54.22 | JordiGH | somiaj: yes. |
| 17:54.34 | JordiGH | Hm, deleting those *.bin files seems to be working... |
| 17:54.44 | JordiGH | Crap, I should have saved them. |
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| 17:57.08 | JordiGH | Yep, that fixed it. |
| 17:57.42 | JordiGH | Looks like my 8-year old laptop still isn't exhibiting bad hardware. |
| 17:57.45 | JordiGH | \o/ |
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| 18:00.11 | JordiGH | ponders reopening 13-year-old bug. |
| 18:00.32 | rozie | link? |
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| 18:01.29 | JordiGH | #81829 |
| 18:01.53 | JordiGH | Sadly, I just deleted the repro, so who cares, right? |
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| 18:13.43 | sydney | JordiGH: You have a 8 y/o computer too? ;) |
| 18:14.12 | JordiGH | sydney: Iris is her name. |
| 18:14.20 | JordiGH | Which appropriately sounds like an old lady's name. |
| 18:14.28 | sydney | Cool. My desktop is 8. What are the specs on yours? |
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| 18:14.49 | sydney | :) |
| 18:15.02 | JordiGH | 4 gigs of RAM, intel core 2 duo, 120 gig hard drive. Dell Inspiron 1420. Originally bought with Ubuntu preinstalled, but I immediately wiped it and installed Debian. |
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| 18:15.25 | JordiGH | Best that money could buy 8 years ago. |
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| 18:15.42 | sydney | 4gb ram on an 8y/o pc!!?? Did you upgrade it or something? |
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| 18:16.34 | sydney | I only have 1gb of ram. This computer was a hand-me-down,that originally had xp. Used ubutnu, but ubuntu was to slow, and now it has debian on it :) |
| 18:16.49 | JordiGH | No, it really was the best money could buy that long ago. |
| 18:16.58 | sydney | Wow, cool :) |
| 18:17.01 | Blokker | 4GB was doable back then |
| 18:17.08 | sydney | Ive been wanting to upgrade mine |
| 18:17.32 | JordiGH | I love Debian. I feel like each new release makes my computer faster, not slower. |
| 18:17.54 | sydney | Well, ive been loving it so far. :) |
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| 18:18.26 | sydney | This pc must have been a bottom-of-the-line pc back in the day then./ |
| 18:18.41 | sydney | I dont know, i was only 7 then ;) Im 15 now :) |
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| 18:18.52 | JordiGH | I paid like 2200 USD for this laptop back then. |
| 18:18.56 | Blokker | not really, probably mid-range |
| 18:19.00 | sydney | Wow O_O |
| 18:19.23 | JordiGH | For 8 years of service, money well spent, I'd say. |
| 18:19.28 | sydney | And i could upgrade mine for 30 bucks. ;) Stuff sure has changed. :) |
| 18:19.45 | sydney | Id imagine,and its still quite powerfull in todays standards :) |
| 18:19.52 | JordiGH | Well, I have bought parts. Keyboard twice (spilled stuff), broke the screen once... |
| 18:20.01 | JordiGH | I can still find parts for it on Ebay and such. |
| 18:20.11 | Blokker | spent some money on a good keyboard, one that can last a lifetime |
| 18:20.21 | sydney | Oh. Well, still not bad. |
| 18:20.22 | JordiGH | The dvd drive is busted, but who cares, right? |
| 18:20.29 | sydney | :) |
| 18:20.37 | sydney | I stil use them :( |
| 18:20.40 | sydney | :) |
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| 18:20.51 | sydney | ugg, typos |
| 18:20.55 | JordiGH | I have an external dvd drive for the rare occasion in which optical discs are needed. |
| 18:21.14 | JordiGH | Oh, I replaced the fan once too, forgot. |
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| 18:21.52 | sydney | I have a 6 y/o hand-me-down laptop that fedora is installed n, and it has quite a few problems. Mainly driver issues. |
| 18:21.57 | sydney | 2 gb ram. |
| 18:22.13 | sydney | Thats the fastest computer i own ;) |
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| 18:22.42 | sydney | Im considering debian for it, but havent gotten to far on that idea. |
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| 18:22.51 | Blokker | in the late 90s, early 00s computers were changing so fast you wouldn't wanted to have to use an 8yo system |
| 18:23.06 | iateadonut | i added a tmpfs for a cache directory as root. root sees it but the user it was intended for still sees it as the original disk space. |
| 18:23.14 | sydney | Blokker: They still are ;) |
| 18:23.23 | Blokker | but since the mid 00s, computers have become fast enough to run every day tasks even with newer operating systems that we don't really need a new one anymore |
| 18:23.43 | sydney | Blokker: 3 years ago i had a 1999 computer. Wish i knew about linux then... |
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| 18:24.09 | Blokker | if you want and with some luck i could find my pentium 166MMX somewhere :p |
| 18:24.25 | Blokker | i should say: my father's |
| 18:24.25 | sydney | Blokker: Well, it seems that to run stuff decently, they need a 2008-2009 + computer. |
| 18:24.36 | sydney | :P |
| 18:24.43 | greycat | cpu MHz : 397.357 |
| 18:24.52 | greycat | I think that's the slowest one we have in production. |
| 18:24.59 | Blokker | i haven't felt the need to upgrade my systems since i gave up on gaming |
| 18:25.08 | sydney | My mom recently upgraded. it had a 700 mhz processor |
| 18:25.16 | tolkor | heya. what could be the problem, on a fresh jennie install, when speaker-test -Dplug:sysdefault -t wav -c2 (intel 82801I controller) works great but speaker-test -Dplug:default -t wav -c2 (to the pulseaudio server) does not |
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| 18:25.36 | tolkor | alsa mixer shows nothing muted AFAI can tell |
| 18:25.36 | sydney | her old one had a 700 mhz processor* |
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| 18:25.56 | sydney | greycat: Whats it used for? |
| 18:26.03 | sydney | Slow server? |
| 18:26.07 | tolkor | verified by scanning with amixer |
| 18:26.19 | greycat | it's our mail server |
| 18:26.20 | Blokker | the slowest system i have now is actually also my newest :p |
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| 18:26.36 | sydney | greycat: Wow, cool :) |
| 18:26.43 | jelly-home | tolkor: use pavucontrol to look at where pulseaudio output goes to |
| 18:26.50 | sydney | wisheed he would have kept his old computers.... |
| 18:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | tolkor, possibly something else using the device pulseaudio tries to use... that would mean that your other command somehow uses a different device though, as block would be block |
| 18:27.14 | jelly-home | who's jennie? |
| 18:27.16 | Blokker | an intel nuc board with a single core atom, not even an SSD made it feel fast or responsive (but that is also in part due to the OS choice i had to make) |
| 18:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, what jelly says is a good idea, too |
| 18:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, we don't dare ask, she's got a gun |
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| 18:27.39 | greycat | No, that's Janie. |
| 18:27.42 | tolkor | (sorry, jessie) |
| 18:27.54 | jelly-home | or possibly is a robot |
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| 18:28.38 | sydney | Wow, this is quite a chatty channel. In ubuntu i would get bit in the behind for so much chatting. (to borrow the colloquialism) |
| 18:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, exactly what I said, then ;) |
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| 18:29.03 | Blokker | sydney, depends on who is around |
| 18:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sydney, actually so you should/would here... we have #debian-offtopic for this kind of chatter |
| 18:29.11 | Blokker | also depends on the topic |
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| 18:29.37 | jelly-home | sydney: we only bite if you persist while there's more tech support going on |
| 18:29.44 | sydney | Ah, ok. I understand :) |
| 18:29.59 | jelly-home | then you get a |
| 18:30.02 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 18:30.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:30.15 | sydney | stays away from jelly's jaws. |
| 18:30.44 | Blokker | i would love to see all +1500ppl in this channel become active ;) |
| 18:30.59 | jelly-home | (but you're welcome to join #debian-offtopic at any time) |
| 18:31.14 | sydney | Ok. :) |
| 18:31.33 | phy1729 | Blokker: ready and waiting |
| 18:31.48 | Blokker | :) |
| 18:33.22 | sydney | adds anther channel to his growing list. |
| 18:33.34 | sydney | #debian-offtopic... |
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| 18:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Blokker, just wait for a netsplit, then :P ... anyway, let's move this to #d-ot |
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| 18:35.27 | tolkor | jelly-home: tnx heaps and loads. pavucontrol showed output going to the right spot but muted. speaker-test now works as expected. |
| 18:35.54 | tolkor | (and tnx also for all the other input) |
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| 18:48.03 | brentaarnold | In Debian 7.7, I've installed mate-desktop but it doesn't show at the login screen. Any ideas? |
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| 18:49.49 | Brigo | brendenb, what display manager? |
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| 18:53.09 | sydney | brendenb: Is it gdm, lightdm, SLiM? |
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| 18:54.07 | rgr | Brigo: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 18:54.18 | rgr | sorry |
| 18:54.25 | rgr | brendenb: ^^ |
| 18:54.51 | rgr | sheesh. brentaarnold even .... |
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| 18:58.18 | Froolap | what do I need to change? pwd = /root I start mc, navigte to /var/log..... exit mc and I'm back in /root when I want to be in the working directory of the active panel in mc when exiting. how do I fix that? |
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| 18:58.57 | greycat | You can't. mc is a separate process. It cannot change the working directory of your shell. |
| 18:59.02 | Froolap | I expect to be in /var/log when I exit mc but I'm not. |
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| 18:59.25 | Froolap | greycat it used to do exactly that in fedora. |
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| 19:00.41 | Froolap | mc has always left me in the working directory of the active panel since redhat5. |
| 19:00.43 | greycat | The only ways you can get anything even CLOSE to that would be (a) lauch a *new* shell as a child of mc, instead of exiting from mc to the original parent, (b) have a shell function/alias that runs mc in a mode that writes a new directory to a stream/file, and reads that stream/file, and cd's there |
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| 19:02.21 | syamo | hi, why does "chgrp root myfile" fails in fakeroot ? (error message: "chgrp: invalid group: 'root'") |
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| 19:03.06 | syamo | in /etc/group I have : root:x:0: |
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| 19:04.04 | greycat | Froolap: http://ptspts.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-to-make-midnight-commander-exit-to.html |
| 19:04.14 | greycat | Looks like someone did (b). |
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| 19:06.33 | f00bar80 | tremon, you there ? |
| 19:06.45 | Froolap | thanks |
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| 19:07.47 | scwizard | why did people go with mysql server 5.5 for jessie? |
| 19:07.51 | scwizard | mysql 5.6 has been out for three years now |
| 19:08.12 | phy1729 | you could ask the maintainer |
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| 19:08.35 | Froolap | Very cool, thanks |
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| 19:09.20 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
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| 19:10.05 | scwizard | phy1729: how do i find out who the maintainer is? |
| 19:10.45 | scwizard | when I search here for mysql-server i get no results: https://qa.debian.org/dm-permissions/dd-dm-package.txt |
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| 19:11.30 | greycat | If you've installed mysql 5.5 then it should be the first (or most common) person in the debian changelog |
| 19:11.38 | f00bar80 | trying to compile wireshark on raspbian, getting " configure: error: GLib 2.16.0 or later distribution not found. " , any suggestion ? |
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| 19:12.02 | scwizard | greycat: there must be that info on the web somewhere |
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| 19:12.38 | greycat | scwizard: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mysql-server-5.5 |
| 19:13.08 | scwizard | oh i see where now |
| 19:13.27 | scwizard | its on the sidebar |
| 19:13.59 | greycat | f00bar80: did you install libglib2.0-dev yet? |
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| 19:15.57 | Froolap | cool, so now how do I fix vi/vim/tiny-vim? Undesired behavior when editing, cursor to a word, cw to change word, press the up arrow key and it goes up a line, insearts a blank line with a capitol A at the start of the unwanted line rather than just moving the cursor up a line. |
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| 19:16.20 | Avic | hello |
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| 19:16.57 | f00bar80 | greycat, no ,... i found lot of glib and libglib , all what i need is libglib2.0-dev ? |
| 19:17.02 | Avic | how can i update to jessy? |
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| 19:17.17 | greycat | Froolap: vim acts as you expect, but it's using special extensions to do so. It sounds like you're using something that's much closer to vanilla vi. |
| 19:17.29 | greycat | f00bar80: that's what the message sounds like it wants. |
| 19:17.43 | mtn | !tell Avic about testing |
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| 19:18.15 | scwizard | ok from reading the mysql server maintainers mailing list archives |
| 19:18.24 | scwizard | the gist of it is "we're working on this" |
| 19:19.42 | Avic | i need a newer RandR version |
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| 19:19.52 | tytan | Do you know how to install Kernel 3.16 from Wheezy-Backports? |
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| 19:21.33 | gusto | any idea where the metadata of a filesystem is stored? is that stored in that same blocks like data blocks? and are they the same size? |
| 19:21.44 | BlaDe^ | hi all |
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| 19:21.50 | BlaDe^ | my shell died during an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:22.05 | BlaDe^ | ive done everything i know of to cleanup.. just stuck with this now: |
| 19:22.05 | BlaDe^ | debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 19:22.09 | BlaDe^ | debconf: DbDriver "templatedb": /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 19:22.12 | BlaDe^ | any ideas how I can solve it? |
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| 19:22.49 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I'm trying to read the output of rsync dry run when using -vi (verbose and itemize changes). I see lines like '>f+++++++++ fantasy/working/perl/math/number_fun.pl' which don't tell me if it is going to overwrite the files or not, as far as I can tell. I am planning on using 'rsync -vrhin --delete --progress'. Will the output have more information when I actually run it (not a dry run)? |
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| 19:23.42 | Lady_Aleena | Oops.. s/-vrhin/-vrhi/; |
| 19:23.45 | mtn | tytan: are you asking how to use backports? |
| 19:24.14 | Froolap | I changed /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny and then went to the config and set it to compatable. but still getting unexpected behavior.... Tried setting terminal emmulation in putty to linux and or ESC[~ and both give me odd results. |
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| 19:24.59 | Froolap | Slightly different results, but neither is "right. Have odd behavior when directly logged into console. |
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| 19:25.37 | tytan | mtn: no. I just want to have the latest Kernel available which will be updated via apt |
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| 19:26.02 | mtn | tytan: ok. so you are asking if that kernel is in backports? |
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| 19:26.49 | tytan | mtn: No, I just want to have a more recent Kernel |
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| 19:27.21 | Froolap | seems that vi/tiny-vim is interperting the raw keyboard codes of the currsor keys as escape sequences to add line feeds wioth a capitol letter prior to the line feed..... |
| 19:27.29 | mtn | tytan: sorry, don't understand. you asked how to intall a kernel from backports, but you say you know how to and don't care if that kernel is in backports. |
| 19:27.42 | greycat | Froolap: yes, that is now standard unix vi works. up-arrow is really ESC [ A ... |
| 19:27.56 | paxed | trying to update, perl shits itself, anyone know how to fix this: http://pastebin.com/1BWHqbCn |
| 19:28.01 | greycat | vim has special code to interpret that escape sequence while in insert mode |
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| 19:28.09 | Okitain | So they released new Ubuntu today. Oh jeez. |
| 19:28.11 | tytan | mtn: problem soved with "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" I think. |
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| 19:28.47 | Froolap | well, how do I get it to behave like it always has for the last 20 years? |
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| 19:30.50 | Shaan | hey guys i'm about to download debian dvd discs, i'm just wondering do i need all 4 discs? |
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| 19:31.17 | greycat | You should only do that if you plan to do a whole bunch of installs on machines that have no network connection. |
| 19:31.18 | Okitain | Shaan: you can do with the first one, but it doesn't contain all packages. |
| 19:31.21 | Froolap | shaan I just got done doing the same thing. You should be ok with just the first dvd. |
| 19:31.26 | mtn | Shaan: disk 1 is the install disk. I would recommend to use the netinstall, though |
| 19:31.40 | Shaan | can i put the netinstall on USB somehow? |
| 19:31.59 | mtn | Shaan: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:32.24 | mtn | Shaan: really easy ;) |
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| 19:34.19 | Shaan | mtn, those instructions are if your doing it from Linux. |
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| 19:34.44 | mtn | Shaan: yes, we use linux ;) you can use the dd command from windows, if you install it. |
| 19:34.56 | tytan | Will there be a newer Kernel than 3.16 available in wheezy-backports in the future? |
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| 19:35.32 | mtn | !tell Shaan about win32diskimage |
| 19:36.48 | mtn | !tell Shaan about win32diskimager |
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| 19:37.50 | Shaan | thanks mtn |
| 19:38.04 | tytan | Shaan: You could also use UUI |
| 19:38.10 | mtn | Shaan: welcome |
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| 19:45.43 | Avic | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.46 | Avic | http://pastebin.com/Sz2gDLyZ |
| 19:45.55 | Avic | what should i choose? |
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| 19:48.06 | mtn | Avic: yes, unless you have a reason not to |
| 19:48.10 | tytan | Do you have experience with exfat-fuse? |
| 19:48.31 | Avic | no |
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| 19:50.25 | tytan | I want to use my DataTraveler HyperX 3.0 with Windows, Linux and Mac. I don 't know what filesystem to choose. exFAT seems to be a good choice to. But Linux can't access exFAT by default. :( |
| 19:50.29 | tytan | What should I do? |
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| 19:56.32 | d3lphi | hey all. What could be the reason that "getent group" doesn't output any of my Domain groups, but when I try to list a group explicitly it works? "getent group 'Domain Users'" or "getent group <gidnumber>" works fine, the result is displayed and correct. |
| 19:57.00 | AR45 | fuck everybody in here that's in #fedora |
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| 19:57.10 | AR45 | so serious |
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| 19:57.34 | sec | pours itching powder down AR45's buttcrack. |
| 19:57.37 | AR45 | debhelper: yo |
| 19:57.50 | AR45 | !ops sec |
| 19:57.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ar45 complains about: sec |
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| 19:58.04 | Avic | now i'm yhinking, should i be using testing ! or jessie! |
| 19:58.29 | Okitain | AR45: what's your beef? |
| 19:58.33 | Avic | testing is unstable.. |
| 19:58.35 | mtn | Avic: JESSIE |
| 19:58.47 | tytan | AR45: That's also against me :O |
| 19:58.47 | mtn | Avic: sorry for the caps |
| 19:58.50 | Avic | i did wrong |
| 19:59.00 | Avic | i choosed testing |
| 19:59.03 | AR45 | tytan: you little bitch |
| 19:59.06 | Avic | and now? |
| 19:59.18 | mtn | Avic: just go change it when you are done updating |
| 19:59.25 | Avic | ok |
| 19:59.26 | tytan | he called me little ._. |
| 19:59.28 | Avic | thanks |
| 19:59.32 | AR45 | tytan: you saw I didn't do anything wrong and watch me get banned fgt |
| 20:00.07 | AR45 | tytan: for 3 days trying to get help from this channel and they ban me everyday for asking questions |
| 20:00.24 | Senji | oh lawd the drama |
| 20:00.27 | tytan | AR45: like I could prevent you from getting banned for cursing :D |
| 20:00.37 | Okitain | AR45: Try not to verbally abuse people. |
| 20:01.02 | greycat | All I've seen you do so far is provoke people. I haven't seen a single on-topic question yet. |
| 20:01.08 | AR45 | what the fuck I don't curse |
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| 20:01.31 | tytan | AR45: I think you're the guy I guided through the Debian Rescue image a couple of says ago. So yeah ... I'm little. |
| 20:01.41 | bazhang | <AR45> what the fuck I don't curse |
| 20:01.46 | sec | Of course you don't AR45. Try #debian-offtopic next time. |
| 20:02.17 | bazhang | take it elsewhere AR45 |
| 20:02.36 | AR45 | Imma go cool off but ppl over in #fedora are all bias racist illuminati members |
| 20:03.05 | AR45 | but no one wants to be apart of their ditzy harmless Klu klux klan! |
| 20:04.18 | Sauvin | What the hell? |
| 20:04.38 | socomm | Can someone boot+ban the children? |
| 20:04.52 | sec | !ops AR45 |
| 20:04.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sec complains about: AR45 |
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| 20:05.16 | Bremsstrahlung | Thank you, dondelelcaro. :) |
| 20:05.29 | dondelelcaro | no problem; in the future, please use !ops |
| 20:05.37 | Sauvin | As a matter of fact, dondelelcaro, I've not been seeing you around. Why you hide? |
| 20:05.47 | dondelelcaro | ah, someone had earlier |
| 20:05.52 | Bremsstrahlung | He himself did, haha. |
| 20:05.58 | Bremsstrahlung | He outted his own trolling, apparently. |
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| 20:06.34 | Sauvin | I usually get to be really suspicious when I see that kind of connotationally charged language being used, particularly when it seems baseless. |
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| 20:07.17 | Sauvin | Has all the hallmarks of somebody whose critical reasoning facilities are sharply circumscribed by slogans. |
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| 20:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Sauvin: best to just ignore the trolls. |
| 20:07.43 | Sauvin | So... dondelelcaro... where you been? |
| 20:08.26 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: the calls necesary to display all groups might not be supported; ISTR ldap groups not working either. |
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| 20:08.57 | dondelelcaro | Sauvin: I've been around, but I'm usually very busy. |
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| 20:09.03 | bocaneri | Ah. |
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| 20:17.07 | ToApolytoXaos | anyone who use udisks-glue? it transfers really slow on my USB. any hints? cheers |
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| 20:28.01 | asarch | I am having the "failed command: READ DMA" on my HDD drive, so, following a How-To about this, I issue "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" long test, how can I check its results? |
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| 20:28.45 | asarch | Should I babblocks to the HDD? |
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| 20:28.57 | asarch | I am afraid :-( |
| 20:28.58 | Brigo | asarch, i think not yet. |
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| 20:29.24 | Brigo | asarch, you can see the output of the test with "smartctl -a /dev/sda" |
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| 20:30.10 | Brigo | it will show you all the information including the test result |
| 20:31.44 | asarch | This is its output: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/434118 |
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| 20:33.02 | asarch | Is it gonna die? |
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| 20:33.54 | asarch | "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED", line #19 |
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| 20:37.02 | frostschutz | asarch, it almost always says passed there, even for obviously dead drives |
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| 20:37.32 | asarch | :'-( |
| 20:38.02 | frostschutz | asarch, your disk has bad blocks (reallocated and pending sectors). so it will probably produce read errors |
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| 20:38.59 | asarch | Can I just fsck'em? |
| 20:39.37 | frostschutz | n |
| 20:39.41 | frostschutz | I'd get a new drive |
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| 20:40.17 | jamesbrownfalcon | hello |
| 20:40.44 | jamesbrownfalcon | how can I convert from uefi to bios? |
| 20:41.04 | jamesbrownfalcon | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_Legacy_mode |
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| 20:41.36 | phy1729 | why do you want to? |
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| 20:42.27 | jamesbrownfalcon | phy1729: the nvidia drivers for my machine don't work in uefi mode |
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| 20:43.13 | phy1729 | oh weird. Is your disk formatted with gpt or mbr? |
| 20:43.43 | asarch | Thank you guys |
| 20:43.49 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 20:43.57 | jamesbrownfalcon | gpt |
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| 20:44.45 | phy1729 | to the best of my knowledge to be in bios compatibility mode you have to use mbr |
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| 20:54.17 | Zeranoe | Is Debian any more or less secure/private than something like Kali or Tails? |
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| 20:55.14 | coste | Zeranoe: Kali is not a desktop distro. Tails is extremely restricted in usage due to it's nature. any system can be secure, it comes down to the user. |
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| 20:56.45 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: Depends, security depends on what you're doing with the system and what you set up. |
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| 20:57.23 | greycat | As long as you stick with the packages that are *in* Debian, and the stable distribution, you have very good security coverage. Very quick bug fixes for security issues. |
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| 20:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | A physically secure server with no network connection is pretty secure. A server with an unsecured public anonymous FTP server with anonymous upload would be hacked before I typed this sentance. |
| 20:59.27 | dutchfish | Zeranoe, while debian stable/main is my first choice, it doesnt protect you in the case, you have a bad setup. It boils down to how carefully you setup your system(s) and maintain the. But at least Debian stable give is the right tools on many occasions. |
| 21:00.00 | greycat | Yeah, anyone can un-secure an operating system with enough effort and bad decisions. |
| 21:00.26 | greycat | e.g. installing telnetd and blanking the root passwd.. |
| 21:02.03 | Zeranoe | greycat: How about Debian vs Ubuntu as far as security goes |
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| 21:02.17 | greycat | I really don't know much about Ubuntu |
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| 21:03.32 | dutchfish | Zeranoe, in the question: is old cold better (more secure) then newer code, the answer can be found. Also ask dpkg about sns. |
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| 21:05.58 | dutchfish | Zeranoe, it is a sometimes a hard bargen, to decide for newer (more risky) code, then older code. In that respect i like the way debian answer this question in stable/main. |
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| 21:08.57 | dutchfish | Zeranoe, but it all depends on your designgoals of your system |
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| 21:13.47 | Blok | Somehow my Grub/EFI setup broke during an update. Now I am trying to get it working again I get 'Could not prepare boot variable: No such file or directory' when running 'efibootmgr -c -d /dev/sdd -p 1 -w -L debian -l \EFI\debian\grubx64.efi'. Any ideas? |
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| 21:20.24 | adrenaline_ | Howdy Howdy. I working on a project and trying to create a deb package. I do have a couple of errors and don't understand everything in the handbook. I was wondering if I have quesitons do I ask here or is there a better channel to ask in? |
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| 21:22.50 | somiaj | adrenaline_: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would get better answers. Some here have some limited experience with making packages but I would suggest asking there. |
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| 21:23.15 | adrenaline_ | Great thank you somiaj |
| 21:23.23 | somiaj | Blok: are you running jessie. There has been a grave bug for a while about grub not working after an upgrade. Check the bts |
| 21:24.20 | metala | adrenaline_: there was a python tool for creating all kind of packages - deb, rpm , tarball and others |
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| 21:27.18 | adrenaline_ | metala, can you think of a name I will google it? |
| 21:27.45 | adrenaline_ | I actually have it down to two errors |
| 21:27.53 | Blok | somiaj: yes and thanks! |
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| 21:30.57 | metala | adrenaline_: Found the tool, I was talking about: https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
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| 21:47.11 | snadge | how do i show where a package is to be installed from? eg.. in the case of rsyslog.. i dont have backports installed.. but i do have webmin |
| 21:47.32 | dondelelcaro | snadge: apt-cache policy rsyslog; is a good starting point |
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| 21:48.39 | snadge | i figured it out.. its because im using the apache2.4 backport.. for some reason it contains rsyslog |
| 21:49.23 | snadge | im greatful that some german guy has backported apache 2.4 to wheezy.. and i know this isn't really possible, but it would be nice if that could be made slightly more official somehow |
| 21:50.01 | dondelelcaro | snadge: it is possible to do it officially |
| 21:50.19 | dondelelcaro | snadge: I'm not sure why it hasn't been done, but if it's something you really need, you could probably ask the apache team to do it |
| 21:50.24 | jordanm | snadge: https://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2014/09/msg00053.html |
| 21:50.26 | snadge | it would probably be of a benefit to people hosting websites on debian stable.. which i'd wager there's quite a few |
| 21:50.29 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: it was discussed there ^ |
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| 21:51.15 | snadge | openssl is kind of flavour of the month really, and 2.4 contains some legit upgrades with regards to new features.. which result in better security |
| 21:51.16 | jordanm | summary: tons of reverse depends |
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| 21:52.24 | snadge | yes.. im familiar with the problems that systemd is causing for backported packages also.. fairly easy to work around though |
| 21:52.27 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: ah, yeah, makes sense |
| 21:53.11 | dondelelcaro | snadge: it actually doesn't have anything to do with systemd; it's just the number of modules and everything else which would also have to be backported |
| 21:53.12 | dondelelcaro | but it sounds like someone did it unofficially |
| 21:53.16 | snadge | well the only visible problem I see with using the backport contained at http://www.d7031.de/debian .. is that it contains an uninstallable update for rsyslog |
| 21:53.41 | snadge | but yes.. there are quite a few deps |
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| 21:55.16 | snadge | other people were encouraging rolling apache from source.. and i was like.. umm no, I don't want apache 2.4 *that* badly |
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| 21:55.40 | snadge | this isnt gentoo ;) |
| 21:56.11 | rebauld | reports snadge to the antidefamation roll your own foundation |
| 21:57.03 | snadge | im not going to update my vps to debian unstable either.. just so i can have shiny apache.. its a tough call |
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| 21:57.15 | adrenaline_ | sweet thanks metala |
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| 21:57.25 | snadge | and using something non debian just isn't even considerable ;) |
| 21:57.26 | rebauld | wow what a trouble maker ^^ snadge |
| 21:57.50 | metala | adrenaline_: :) |
| 21:57.51 | p0g0 | nah, he's a good guy, known him for years... |
| 21:58.16 | dondelelcaro | snadge: heh. Anyway, if you wait for about 6 months, you can just upgrade to jessie for apache 2.4. |
| 21:58.34 | dondelelcaro | snadge: better yet, if you test upgrades and help fix bugs, it could happen even sooner... |
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| 21:59.12 | snadge | is the debian fork legit? or a joke.. i couldn't actually tell |
| 21:59.13 | rebauld | dondelelcaro: suble ;) |
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| 22:00.17 | snadge | i shouldn't have mentioned it sorry.. i dont want to encourage discussion about systemd.. i really dont care and support debian irrespective of what happens (my pre-declared neutral position) |
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| 22:00.43 | dondelelcaro | snadge: dunno; AFAICT, no actual DDs are participating in it |
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| 22:01.18 | snadge | im going to roll with joke then.. because you'd *think* that at least some DDs would take it seriously if that were the case.. a 50/50 split, is a bit of a problem with something fundamental like that though |
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| 22:02.13 | snadge | i would have thought something like that would require more of a majority decision.. but i don't know anything about democracy, and think the system is relatively flawed anyway ;) |
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| 22:03.35 | dondelelcaro | snadge: Debian's a volunteer project; anyone who wants can take Debian and fork it. |
| 22:03.48 | dondelelcaro | snadge: so it's not really something that's up for a vote |
| 22:03.53 | rebauld | debian is a socialist republican monarchy |
| 22:03.58 | snadge | yeah but we all know they need to be more than just a couple of disgruntled haters to be able to achieve anything significant |
| 22:04.33 | snadge | as far as im aware.. one of the significantly motivating factors towards adopting systemd.. is because everyone else is.. including paid developers |
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| 22:05.09 | dondelelcaro | !why systemd |
| 22:05.09 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
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| 22:06.27 | snadge | this is why i love debian |
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| 22:07.02 | snadge | its so refreshing to see so much rationality and common sense.. which is considerably lacking in other parts of the world, in almost every area ;) |
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| 22:08.44 | rebauld | are you just choosing words at random or something?" |
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| 22:11.27 | snadge | i haven't finished my coffee.. but what i meant to say was, go debian.. dondelelcaro's above pasted link about systemd, is one of the most rational i've seen on the subject |
| 22:11.38 | deepblue | how to know my version of debian? |
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| 22:11.52 | snadge | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:12.25 | deepblue | snadge, 7.6 |
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| 22:25.00 | snadge | i wonder if its ironic that mark shuttleworth was the apache maintainer for debian.. ;) |
| 22:25.48 | richac | snadge: how so? |
| 22:26.29 | richac | snadge: who is mark shuttleworth |
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| 22:27.20 | richac | debian is def my fav out of all of them |
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| 22:27.26 | richac | its the most open one |
| 22:27.59 | richac | oh he founded ubuntu....i see |
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| 22:32.50 | pigbenis | just did a clean install of debian testing amd 64 |
| 22:33.01 | nbb | Hi! i want to make really strict firewall rules, and I need to allow updates from debian servers. Is there any list of ips behind debian's repo. I've got problem with cloudfront.debian.net especially. |
| 22:33.02 | pigbenis | notice that it doesn't boot unless I add the nomodeset flag |
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| 22:34.09 | pigbenis | thanks in advance |
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| 22:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | pigbenis: What does stable do? |
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| 22:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | nbb: The main debian URLs are actually load-balancers, so they would route to different servers all the time. |
| 22:36.27 | pigbenis | not sure |
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| 22:36.39 | pigbenis | when I had attempted to install it using the stable |
| 22:36.46 | pigbenis | I was missing a bootloader |
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| 22:36.58 | jhutchins_wk | pigbenis: That's really the first question, is this a debian problem or a testing problem? |
| 22:37.43 | pigbenis | debian is the problem |
| 22:37.57 | otyugh | ,v icecat |
| 22:37.58 | judd | No package named 'icecat' was found in i386. |
| 22:38.00 | jhutchins_wk | pigbenis: Next question is what is your graphics chipset and is this a known problem. |
| 22:38.05 | otyugh | :( |
| 22:38.27 | jhutchins_wk | otyugh: Looking for Debian Thunderbird? |
| 22:38.38 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 [GeForce 320M] (rev a2) |
| 22:38.50 | otyugh | nope, the gnu icedove/firefox :O |
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| 22:39.56 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: the only issue I knew of is when I installed ubuntu 14.04 on this mbr 7,1 (2010) I had to convert it from uefi to legacy boot |
| 22:40.09 | pigbenis | because nvidia doesn't support the driver in uefi mode |
| 22:40.13 | tytan64 | What filesystem would you recommend for a 64GB USB-Drive? |
| 22:40.31 | pigbenis | and if installed it would just freeze the desktop forever |
| 22:41.07 | jhutchins_wk | pigbenis: I just heard about that today. |
| 22:41.32 | jhutchins_wk | pigbenis: Seems ... rather stupid of them. |
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| 22:42.40 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: very |
| 22:42.47 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: but there are work arounds |
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| 22:43.33 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: which is finding a way to convert to legacy mode |
| 22:43.51 | pigbenis | which is basically getting rid of grub-efi and installing grub-pc as far as I know |
| 22:44.06 | pigbenis | jhutchins_wk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_Legacy_mode |
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| 23:24.10 | pigbenis | will brb |
| 23:24.10 | dunpeal | Hi. How do I install a local deb file, overlooking any dependencies? |
| 23:24.24 | pigbenis | dunpeal man apt-get |
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| 23:24.39 | pigbenis | dunpeal: !apt-get |
| 23:24.44 | pigbenis | dunpeal: !dpkg apt-get |
| 23:24.46 | pigbenis | fuck |
| 23:25.23 | Makyuu | dunpeal: does "dpkg -i <local_file.deb>" work for you? |
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| 23:26.52 | dunpeal | Makyuu: no, because the package has several unsatisfiable dependencies. |
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| 23:27.17 | croddy | i think it's --force-depends, but i would have to check in the manual page of dpkg |
| 23:27.35 | Makyuu | dunpeal: Ah right, you did say it needs to overlook the deps. Sorry, that's as much as I know to do. |
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| 23:29.23 | Makyuu | I need to execute some xset and synclient commands on login. I have tried adding them to the .xinitrc file to no effect. If it helps, I'm using lightdm. Where else could the commands be placed so that they're executed on login? |
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| 23:29.34 | wols | dunpeal: why exactly do you need that? |
| 23:30.14 | otyugh | hey. I'm trying to build spring (testing) from wheeze. Does this error means that I'm screwed ? |
| 23:30.16 | otyugh | http://paste.debian.net/128446/ |
| 23:30.28 | dunpeal | wols: I'm trying to backport a package from 14.04 |
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| 23:45.11 | n-st | ftp.de.debian.org seems to be down. how can i get apt-get update to skip it and use something else? |
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| 23:45.51 | Brigo | n-st, modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:45.52 | juantelez | n-st: You have to set other mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:46.36 | n-st | Brigo, juantelez: thanks |
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| 23:46.57 | Brigo | n-st, np :) |
| 23:46.58 | juantelez | n-st: :) |
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| 23:47.36 | n-st | now that that's done -- is there any way to set a fallback, in case the first mirror is down? |
| 23:48.11 | Brigo | n-st, mmmm ... good question :D |
| 23:49.01 | n-st | i refuse to believe that a mature piece of software like apt will force you to have a single point of failure ;) |
| 23:49.43 | rebauld | just you have it |
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| 23:50.04 | rebauld | apt-get update after you put a few in the sources.list |
| 23:50.23 | Makyuu | I have xset and synclient commands that need to be executed on login. I've tried adding them to the .xinitrc file - no good. Where could the commands be placed so that they're executed on login? If it makes any difference, I'm using lightdm as a login manager. |
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| 23:50.54 | sine` | how can i identify what codename debian im running |
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| 23:52.40 | BenNZ | sine`: in terminal lsb_release -a |
| 23:53.31 | sine` | ok thanks |
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