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| 00:03.57 | jasonwc | so, I'm not particularly familiar with this new Gnome 3 interface. I can't right click on anything. How do I add an icon to the desktop? |
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| 00:04.37 | unkmar | jasonwc: coming from windows? |
| 00:04.51 | jasonwc | yeah |
| 00:04.57 | jasonwc | i have used debian in the past with gnome 2 |
| 00:04.59 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: you can use gnome-tweak-tool (aka advanced settings) to enable icons on the desktop and a few other things |
| 00:05.00 | cuqa_ | hello, is this channel restricted to debian or can you also ask tw_cli questions in here? :s |
| 00:05.12 | jasonwc | thanks |
| 00:05.23 | jasonwc | firestarter has a bug and I need a custom command to start it |
| 00:05.25 | jasonwc | want to create an icon |
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| 00:07.15 | unkmar | I have a problem: There is a loop between service minissdpd and mountall if started |
| 00:07.27 | jasonwc | jmcnaught, i already have "computer icon visiable on desktop" enabled |
| 00:07.34 | jasonwc | they may be visible - i wouldn't know as i can't create one |
| 00:07.52 | exhibitor | # ip6tables -I FORWARD 6 -i vmbr1 -s 2a01:aaa:fff:aaaa::/64 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:07.57 | exhibitor | ip6tables: Index of insertion too big. |
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| 00:08.06 | jasonwc | have file manager handle the desktop is the option apparently |
| 00:08.07 | exhibitor | why do i get this error? |
| 00:08.09 | jasonwc | makes no sense...but ok |
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| 00:09.00 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: file manager handling the desktop is what you want, then you can put files/launchers in the ~/Desktop directory |
| 00:09.14 | jasonwc | lol, there's no "create a shortcut" option? |
| 00:09.22 | jasonwc | things have apparently changed |
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| 00:09.43 | jmcnaught | jasonwc: i don't use that feature myself, i prefer a clean desktop |
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| 00:13.27 | unkmar | What is minissdpd? |
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| 00:14.54 | jaccob | I installed debian including the desktop and laptop, but the video drivers didn't install so gnome went into fallback mode, then I installed those video drivers and glxinfo says "yes, direct rendering" but gnome is still in fallback mode. Also, when I check gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.session session-name I get back "gnome" not "gnome-fallback" so that is confusing too. |
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| 00:16.28 | jaccob | unkmar, http://miniupnp.free.fr/minissdpd.html |
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| 00:22.19 | unkmar | Argh. aptitide is having a fit. Complaining about selinux, DbSecuritySpt, and something about depending on single and system facility. |
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| 00:22.24 | unkmar | *aptitude |
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| 00:23.07 | unkmar | argh, loop between mountkernfs and single. so, How am I suppose to resolve that? |
| 00:23.33 | Avic | how i kill the vnc4server sessions... |
| 00:23.43 | Avic | sudo vncserver -kill :1 |
| 00:23.54 | Avic | sayd to make it manually |
| 00:24.52 | Avic | man... |
| 00:25.03 | marioxcc | Avic: use killall |
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| 00:25.32 | Avic | vncserver killall |
| 00:25.37 | Avic | ? |
| 00:25.43 | marioxcc | no Avic |
| 00:25.49 | Avic | sudo vncserver -kill :all |
| 00:25.56 | marioxcc | Avic: you just confirmed my impression that you don't know how to use the command line |
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| 00:26.21 | marioxcc | a few hours of learning it now will have months of effort cummulatively, it's worth it |
| 00:26.23 | Avic | no, i'm new |
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| 00:26.45 | Avic | new in debian |
| 00:26.53 | Avic | in cli |
| 00:26.54 | marioxcc | Avic: sure, that's cool, but that's more of a reason to follow our advice reagrding VNC, etc... |
| 00:27.20 | Avic | i follow the advice |
| 00:27.36 | Avic | installed vnc4server |
| 00:27.43 | marioxcc | nevermind |
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| 00:30.49 | Avic | killall -g --... |
| 00:31.02 | Avic | i'm hours on this ... |
| 00:31.10 | Avic | i give up |
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| 00:31.37 | marioxcc | Avic: how hard is it to read a man page? |
| 00:31.45 | marioxcc | just do âkilall PROCESS_NAMEâ |
| 00:31.51 | marioxcc | for instance, kilall vnc4server |
| 00:31.57 | Avic | killall [OPTION]... [--] NAME... |
| 00:31.57 | Avic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.57 | Avic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.57 | Avic | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.57 | Avic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:31.59 | marioxcc | sorry, *killall |
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| 00:35.27 | jasonwc | anyone know of a working script to install rtorrent and rutorrent on debian? I tried http://www.torrent-invites.com/showthread.php?t=195434 but it failed building rtorrent |
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| 00:37.13 | jaccob | jasonwc, rtorrent is in the repo |
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| 00:37.30 | jasonwc | yeah, but isn't the version 3 years old? |
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| 00:37.44 | jaccob | jasonwc, yeah probably |
| 00:38.06 | Doxin | so daylight savings time just happened, but the clock didn't adjust yet. I've got ntp installed. is there some way to get it to update the time manually? |
| 00:39.10 | somiaj | Doxin: what is your timezone set as? That is what should be adjusting the gmt time you get with ntp to your curret time zone (includint dst) |
| 00:39.24 | Doxin | somiaj: how do I check? |
| 00:39.51 | somiaj | Doxin: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 00:40.39 | somiaj | actually I guess it is UTC time (not sure if gmt has dst or not). But anyways it also depends on if you set your clock to do local time or utc (prefered method) time |
| 00:40.45 | Doxin | somiaj: that's set correctly, but it's not taking daylight savings time into account |
| 00:41.32 | zinx | or just date +%Z |
| 00:41.49 | zinx | Doxin: when is it supposed to change in your location? |
| 00:42.08 | Doxin | zinx: couple hours ago |
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| 00:42.33 | Doxin | zinx: it's past midnight on the night it happens |
| 00:42.40 | zinx | Doxin: are you sure? in many locations it changes at a precise time, i.e., you will see 1:00 twice |
| 00:42.55 | Doxin | oh I am wrong |
| 00:42.58 | Doxin | lol |
| 00:43.03 | Doxin | yeah it happens in 30mins or so |
| 00:43.06 | zinx | yeah. |
| 00:43.17 | Doxin | weird time to do it |
| 00:43.30 | zinx | any time is a weird time to do it. |
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| 00:43.45 | Doxin | well yeah |
| 00:43.48 | zinx | "we want people to work at a different time" "hey i know, let's change TIME ITSELF!!!" |
| 00:43.57 | zinx | yeah, guys, that's the best solution. |
| 00:44.01 | Doxin | zinx: but 3 at night seems especially arbitrary |
| 00:44.07 | zinx | shrug :/ |
| 00:44.23 | Doxin | oh well |
| 00:44.39 | Doxin | I'm just glad all this stuff is already implemented so I don't have to touch it :P |
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| 00:45.22 | jaccob | !xxx |
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| 00:46.03 | Doxin | zinx: thanks for the help! |
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| 01:06.50 | unkmar | I'm not getting anywhere with google. DbSecurity and selinux depends on single and therefore on system facility |
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| 01:31.05 | snadge | im a bit slow to the party.. so jessie will ship with systemd by default but you can install upstart optionally? |
| 01:32.00 | rww | snadge: assuming nothing changes, yes to the first bit and yes (and use systemd-shim possibly) for the second bit |
| 01:32.11 | rww | it's theoretically possible the second bit could change to no before release, but I highly doubt it |
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| 02:33.12 | atomi | how do I add a line to a file from bash? |
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| 02:33.26 | atomi | like if I want to add an alias to bashrc from bash |
| 02:33.51 | marioxcc | atomi: a line to a file? if it's at the end, use cat >> FILENAME |
| 02:34.00 | marioxcc | (note the double >>) |
| 02:34.17 | atomi | yeah |
| 02:34.20 | marioxcc | or use a fully fledged editor |
| 02:34.48 | atomi | can i do echo 'alias ll="ls -lha"' >> .bash_rc |
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| 02:34.57 | atomi | err .bashrc |
| 02:35.05 | marioxcc | atomi: yes |
| 02:35.16 | atomi | yeah perfect thanks |
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| 02:35.22 | marioxcc | atomi: but I discourage doing thigns like that, it's easy to forget an â>â and get a file wiped |
| 02:35.32 | marioxcc | use a text editor, nano or emacs |
| 02:35.35 | atomi | it's going on a Dockerfile |
| 02:35.41 | atomi | so no worries |
| 02:35.56 | atomi | I rarely do anything on my host machine anymore |
| 02:37.06 | marioxcc | atomi: ok |
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| 02:38.19 | atomi | marioxcc: do you think I can add multiple files using the same >> |
| 02:38.35 | atomi | or should I do 2 statements |
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| 02:39.11 | marioxcc | atomi: you can only do shell redirection of stdout a single time, that I know of |
| 02:39.24 | marioxcc | meaning that if you want to append to 2 files, you need to do that 2 times |
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| 02:39.27 | marioxcc | one for each file |
| 02:39.37 | atomi | it's just a single file i'm appending |
| 02:39.51 | atomi | maybe if i add a new line character |
| 02:39.55 | atomi | \n |
| 02:40.03 | marioxcc | atomi: what's what you want to do? |
| 02:40.07 | marioxcc | what >> does is to append the standard output of the program to a file |
| 02:40.14 | atomi | add a couple of aliases to .bashrc |
| 02:40.20 | marioxcc | if you output several lines with that program, all of them will be appended |
| 02:40.28 | marioxcc | atomi: is it for an script? |
| 02:40.52 | marioxcc | if it's for an script, try cat < FILE_WITH_LINES_TO_BE_APPENDED >> .bashrc |
| 02:41.18 | woshty | how do I tell debian to do the daylightssavingstime thingy at the right moment? aka 3 to 4? |
| 02:42.02 | marioxcc | woshty: it's done automatically if you have set your timezone correctly |
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| 02:42.08 | marioxcc | search for âtzdataâ in documentation |
| 02:42.38 | marioxcc | woshty: also, if you want accurate time, install NTP (which isn't concerned with âdaylight savingâ time) |
| 02:43.04 | marioxcc | DST is one of the most stupid things |
| 02:43.22 | marioxcc | but some we're bound to follow the stupidity of our politics |
| 02:43.36 | woshty | I do, I am at the right timezone .. does not work. |
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| 02:43.51 | woshty | Somehow my $5 Casio watch manages it properly .. |
| 02:43.59 | marioxcc | woshty: how do you know? have you set your time correctly before the change? |
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| 02:44.24 | marioxcc | your casio watch probably uses radio signals to syncronize, especially if it's marketized as âatomic clockâ |
| 02:44.24 | woshty | I ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 02:44.37 | atomi | marioxcc: this worked printf 'alias ll="ls --color=auto -lha"\nalias c="clear"' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 02:44.44 | woshty | marioxcc: I doubt that for $5, it is an 91W |
| 02:45.01 | marioxcc | woshty: I have no idea, you'd have to check that for yourself |
| 02:45.20 | marioxcc | atomi: wel, if it's internative (or even script) input you can do |
| 02:45.27 | marioxcc | cat << EOF > .bashrc |
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| 02:45.36 | marioxcc | LINES_GO_HERE |
| 02:45.37 | marioxcc | EOF |
| 02:45.43 | marioxcc | sorry, it's >> .bashrc |
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| 02:46.06 | woshty | It outputs a difference of one hour from UTC to CET .. shouldnt that be 2 hours now? |
| 02:46.07 | marioxcc | woshty: lots of clocks are synchronized by radio, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB is a popular station |
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| 02:46.24 | marioxcc | woshty: I don't know, check that yourself, use wikipedia :) |
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| 02:47.37 | relipse | how do I check what ports are open/closed in debian |
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| 02:48.20 | marioxcc | relipse: in your local machine? |
| 02:48.24 | marioxcc | well, you need to specify |
| 02:48.54 | marioxcc | if it's ports not blocked by your ISP or firewall, I think that you should use nmap from the exterior |
| 02:49.15 | marioxcc | if it's just a single port, listen to it in the local machine with nc -lp PORT (root if <=1024) |
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| 02:49.29 | marioxcc | then do nc -p PORT YOURIP from a remote machine |
| 02:49.32 | marioxcc | and write something |
| 02:49.45 | marioxcc | if it appears in the local machine, it's open, if not, it's closed |
| 02:50.16 | relipse | Can't grab 0.0.0.0:777 with bind |
| 02:50.34 | woshty | marioxcc: I am an idiot .. |
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| 02:51.10 | woshty | marioxcc: .. it tookm zdump to confirm that ;) |
| 02:51.18 | marioxcc | woshty: ??? |
| 02:51.38 | marioxcc | woshty: I see, I wasn't aware of that |
| 02:51.44 | marioxcc | I just checked the short man page about zdump |
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| 02:52.02 | marioxcc | hehe, I'm glad that you solved it. you're not an idiot, or at least not because of that, shit happens. |
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| 02:55.34 | woshty | marioxcc: turns out, my casio did not change, wound have been in the wrong direction. my computers did. |
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| 02:56.55 | marioxcc | woshty: I see |
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| 02:57.52 | marioxcc | woshty: if you're into wirstwatches, check out http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/ |
| 02:58.11 | marioxcc | those things are so accurate that you can measure the effects of general relativity on height change or even speed (for planes) |
| 02:58.48 | marioxcc | ;) |
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| 03:02.02 | woshty | marioxcc: nice, you might not want to wear that just on one arm all the time ;) |
| 03:02.18 | marioxcc | woshty: hehe |
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| 03:23.10 | Guest45920 | hi |
| 03:23.35 | Guest45920 | cd installers for 4.0 don't seem to be available here: https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 03:23.49 | Guest45920 | does anyone know where i can find 4.0 isos (official repos)? |
| 03:24.59 | ebolajackson | Are you fucking tired of nh i g g er s? |
| 03:25.05 | ebolajackson | Sick of their monkey business? |
| 03:25.10 | ebolajackson | We are too! Seriously! |
| 03:25.18 | ebolajackson | Join c h i m p o u t fo rum! |
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| 03:25.27 | ebolajackson | c h i m p o u t . c o m / f o rum |
| 03:25.41 | ebolajackson | At Chimp out, we are not white supremacists! |
| 03:25.50 | ebolajackson | IF YOU ARE NOT A N i g g g g eerr |
| 03:25.56 | ebolajackson | and you HATE N I G G ERS! |
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| 03:26.02 | ebolajackson | We welcome you with open arms! |
| 03:26.08 | jm | this is not going to be a high success recruiting area |
| 03:26.09 | Guest45920 | ops! |
| 03:26.11 | Guest45920 | ops |
| 03:26.12 | ebolajackson | Join c h i m po ut .c om / f o r u m |
| 03:26.16 | dvs | !ops ebolajackson is spamming |
| 03:26.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: ebolajackson is spamming |
| 03:26.22 | ebolajackson | Join today! |
| 03:26.30 | Guest45920 | thanks dvs |
| 03:26.56 | jm | why are you defensive about being white supremacists? |
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| 03:27.19 | ebolajackson | because ignorant bigots think that you have to be white to hate niggers |
| 03:28.02 | GoUtahUtes | black culture is pretty destructive |
| 03:28.38 | jm | are you calling us ignorant bigots? |
| 03:28.51 | GoUtahUtes | i am a subscriber to reddit's GreatApes community |
| 03:28.55 | rryoumaa | he's saying he is a knowledgeable bigot |
| 03:29.01 | jm | ah |
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| 03:33.26 | *** kick/#debian [ebolajackson!~jaimos@unaffiliated/somiaj] by somiaj (you should know better) |
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| 03:33.31 | dvs | yay |
| 03:33.36 | jm | how do you know he should know better? |
| 03:33.42 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:33.56 | Guest45920 | does anyone know if debian 4.0 isos are still available from some official repo? |
| 03:34.04 | somiaj | jm: its part of the scripts I use |
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| 03:34.21 | jm | ah I see |
| 03:34.44 | phy1729 | jm: in general when someone kicks with "you should know better" it's just the default for the script |
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| 03:34.53 | somiaj | Guest45920: look at archive.debian.org. some version still have the install cds around but they do take up space so not sure what is available |
| 03:35.07 | Guest45920 | thanks |
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| 03:38.11 | knosys | Hey guys. I dont know why i cant make my bash text visible. Its black color, and it should be white ;D |
| 03:38.22 | knosys | my terminal text* |
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| 03:41.12 | Guest45920 | okay great, found it |
| 03:41.12 | Guest45920 | thanks |
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| 03:54.26 | cndeed | hi guys |
| 03:55.00 | cndeed | I'm in a bit of a sticky spot on business in China |
| 03:55.50 | cndeed | I've got just an external USB drive that I'm currently booted from. I've got the Debian netinst iso and I want to go from this env to installing Debian anew. Can I do this without a CD drive? |
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| 03:56.15 | cndeed | I know of course you can install from USB if you dd the boot img onto the USB disk, but I'm currently booted from this USB disk, so that will be an issue right? |
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| 03:57.44 | dvs | cndeed: What is "this environment" |
| 03:57.52 | somiaj | cndeed: cp debian.iso /dev/sdb (assuming /dev/sdb is yoru usb drive, make sure you copy it to the correct drive it will destory data) |
| 03:58.23 | somiaj | cndeed: did you boot into a live system? Sorry Miss understood yoru questin |
| 03:59.42 | cndeed | I have an old Ubuntu live cd that I could use to do the copying |
| 03:59.42 | cndeed | 'this environment' is Ubuntu installed from a very old live CD |
| 03:59.42 | cndeed | so just a pure cp of the iso to the disk drive, and it can boot like that? |
| 04:00.23 | dvs | yup |
| 04:00.41 | Guest45920 | wont that start up the installer which will ask him to install it to the same hard drive? |
| 04:00.50 | dvs | yup |
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| 04:01.31 | Guest45920 | *hmmm* okay yeah, that should work actually. the installer will install the rest of it and ask you to isntall grub to the boot sector at the end and you should get a fresh system running. |
| 04:01.31 | cndeed | could I start the installer from the Ubuntu livecd environment and then ask to install it to the USB disk? |
| 04:01.39 | somiaj | cndeed: you could also install debootstrap an maunally install debian from that live enviroment if you dnot' want to risk any error copying to the usb from the live enviorment |
| 04:01.46 | cndeed | or will the installer not mind installing to the same disk it's running from |
| 04:01.49 | somiaj | cndeed: you need to install to a usb stick? |
| 04:01.58 | cndeed | there's no data I need to worry about losing |
| 04:02.20 | cndeed | somiaj: yeah, but from that same USB disk will be the install image |
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| 04:02.30 | Guest45920 | your worst case scenario is that it doesn't work and you boot back into your live usb environment and try again |
| 04:02.38 | somiaj | you could look at the debian live images and persistance, then copy the live iso to the usb, and use persistance to keep your changes |
| 04:02.39 | Guest45920 | just don't hose your live usb :) |
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| 04:02.50 | dvs | cndeed: Yeah, get a Debian live image. |
| 04:02.51 | somiaj | well sounds like he only has one usb so that won't be an option |
| 04:03.05 | cndeed | one USB disk and a livecd |
| 04:03.15 | somiaj | cndeed: http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html -- better to use debian live + persistance than to install to a sb |
| 04:03.18 | somiaj | usb |
| 04:03.26 | somiaj | this way there is no install, just copy the iso onto the usb drive |
| 04:03.46 | cndeed | what about livecd boot, copy the .iso to ramdisk, mount it and start the installer from the livecd environment? |
| 04:04.54 | jasonwc | Does the verseion of Samba (3.3.6) in Debian Wheezy use SMB 2.0 by default? |
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| 04:07.11 | cndeed | ok I'm gonna try these suggestions, cya later |
| 04:07.40 | cndeed | persistence looks like too much reading, I'll try a cp, then a mount and install from ramdisk! |
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| 04:08.54 | snadge | what happened to the roundcube package in jessie? |
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| 04:10.04 | somiaj | snadge: https://packages.qa.debian.org/r/roundcube/news/20140607T163917Z.html -- there is a bug report mentioned there, look it up for more info |
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| 04:16.29 | snadge | 15th of october it says the bug has now been closed.. how long can i expect it to take for there to be a package for roundcube in jessie? or is it too late now? |
| 04:18.38 | Rusty1 | roundcube: |
| 04:18.38 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.38 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.38 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.38 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:19.09 | snadge | oops |
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| 04:19.53 | dvs | we missed that. ;-> |
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| 04:20.35 | Rusty1 | !judd roundtable |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | rusty1, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 04:20.52 | dvs | ,v roundtable |
| 04:20.53 | judd | No package named 'roundtable' was found in i386. |
| 04:21.05 | jmcnaught | roundcube? |
| 04:21.13 | dvs | ,v roundcube |
| 04:21.14 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.9.5+dfsg1-4.1 |
| 04:21.18 | dvs | ah\ |
| 04:21.23 | Rusty1 | thx |
| 04:21.41 | snadge | yeah its not packaged for testing yet.. due to somebug fixed about 10 days ago |
| 04:22.04 | jmcnaught | https://packages.qa.debian.org/r/roundcube.html shows that it was accepted into unstable on 2014-10-15 so it might hit testing soon |
| 04:22.24 | jasonwc | anyway to fix a systemd crash without rebooting? |
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| 04:23.18 | dvs | should be real soon unless dependencies are holding it back. |
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| 04:29.33 | snadge | my vps runs debian 7.. but im testing jessie in a vm before hopefully migrating it not too far after release.. looking good so far |
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| 04:48.09 | jasonwc | i shared a ZFS pool using NFS but i can't connect on windows. How can I verify NFS is actually working? |
| 04:50.05 | dvs | Never knew you can connect to NFS via Windows. |
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| 04:51.33 | dvs | !ops TennisUrchin is pm spamming |
| 04:51.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: TennisUrchin is pm spamming |
| 04:52.53 | jasonwc | dvs, there's an NFS client in win 7 ultimate |
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| 05:23.45 | ewing_ | hi, have debian installed with lxde wanna switch back to gnome or xfce, how can i completely remove lxde to have gnome/xfce without damages? |
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| 05:30.05 | jmcnaught | ewing_: do you absolutely need to remove it, why not just switch your choice at the login greeter screen (gdm3 for example)? |
| 05:30.47 | ewing_ | jmcnaught: would like to save some space and i guess i wont use it or need it |
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| 05:33.30 | jmcnaught | ewing_: you can remove packages with "apt-get remove" but be careful to read the list of proposed removals carefully, it can be very easy to remove essential stuff if you're not paying close attention. Any package name you're not sure about, look it up |
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| 05:34.51 | ewing_ | jmcnaught: first i would install gnome then if i remove lxde will it make any damages to my other files? |
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| 05:35.47 | ewing_ | apt-get autoremove purge lxde -y will this be enought? |
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| 05:37.43 | jmcnaught | ewing_: no. i don't recommend using "autoremove" and "-y" in the same sentence |
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| 05:38.38 | jmcnaught | ewing_: if you installed lxde with a meta package, you could remove that package, then run "apt-get autoremove" *and check carefully* which packages it will remove before hitting "y" |
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| 05:39.31 | [C]hris | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 05:39.35 | [C]hris | that kills all my ssh |
| 05:39.49 | [C]hris | even if i have a rule to allow a certain ip |
| 05:40.00 | [C]hris | via iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --source 1.2.3.4 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:40.04 | [C]hris | but it still doesnt work |
| 05:40.15 | [C]hris | where 1.2.3.4 is my ip |
| 05:40.19 | [C]hris | i want to ssh from |
| 05:40.35 | [C]hris | https://www.debian-administration.org/article/87/Keeping_SSH_access_secure |
| 05:40.38 | [C]hris | i read it from there |
| 05:40.42 | [C]hris | but it does not work |
| 05:40.43 | [C]hris | for me |
| 05:41.03 | [C]hris | the moment i put int he DROP command i lose all ssh remote in |
| 05:41.03 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell [C]hris about enter |
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| 05:44.58 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: could you put the output of "iptables -L" on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 05:48.00 | [C]hris | http://paste.debian.net/128735/ |
| 05:48.16 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: in my opinion, the single most important thing you can do for SSH security is use keys for authentication (and disable passwords) |
| 05:48.31 | [C]hris | i know this |
| 05:48.44 | [C]hris | i just cant do that yet |
| 05:48.48 | [C]hris | so i need this to work |
| 05:48.59 | [C]hris | i should be able to restrict host |
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| 05:49.30 | phy1729 | [C]hris: iptables is first match wins not most specific or last |
| 05:50.16 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: i don't see a rule for DROP in that output. and as phy1729 suggests, you need the rule that accepts traffic from your IP first, then the rule to drop everything else after |
| 05:50.43 | [C]hris | oh because it breaks my ssh |
| 05:50.47 | [C]hris | let me put it in there |
| 05:50.56 | [C]hris | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 05:50.59 | [C]hris | is the command i use |
| 05:51.36 | [C]hris | http://paste.debian.net/128736/ |
| 05:51.38 | [C]hris | there |
| 05:51.44 | [C]hris | but its completely broken now |
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| 05:53.34 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: did you check if you have the IP address correct? |
| 05:55.38 | [C]hris | i've tried adding multiple ips |
| 05:56.02 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: also i'm not an iptables expert, but do you have a rule to accept existing connections? like "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT"? (I'm looking at the examples on https://wiki.debian.org/iptables) |
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| 05:59.19 | jmcnaught | [C]hris: you might also check out "ufw" for managing iptables rules |
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| 06:30.43 | [C]hris | i got it |
| 06:30.44 | [C]hris | thanks guys |
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| 06:43.27 | CQ | hi, I seem to have a problem with sloppyfocus... I have it set, but the focus is still click... any ideas? I'm using gnome |
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| 06:52.47 | sushith | #ghci |
| 06:52.59 | sushith | sorry! |
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| 08:09.18 | grafdiffuzor | Hi all. What should I read to understand why, after squeeze-jessie dist-upgrade, allmost all boot messages disappeared (messages from daemons starting up, etc)? |
| 08:09.54 | richac | grafdiffuzor: you mean in logs? or during the bootup? |
| 08:10.11 | grafdiffuzor | during bootup |
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| 08:10.25 | grafdiffuzor | richac and shutdown, as well |
| 08:12.18 | richac | did you change anything? what are you seeing? is it plymouth? |
| 08:12.42 | richac | is "quiet splash" in your grub? |
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| 08:16.17 | grafdiffuzor | richac entry is 'menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux' --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option...' |
| 08:16.32 | grafdiffuzor | richac then 'linux /vmlinuz-3.14-2-amd64 root=UUID=d8b72b54-9bba-4968-a16c-cfdf11465b69 ro quiet' |
| 08:17.10 | richac | grafdiffuzor: so it doesn't say quiet splash anywhere? |
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| 08:17.48 | jimbo3918 | quiet at the end |
| 08:18.39 | grafdiffuzor | Thanks for the hint about grub config. |
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| 08:20.50 | richac | jimbo3918: oh ya missed that lol |
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| 08:23.30 | potatoes_ | whats the best way to match a date string in a large file with multiple fields? |
| 08:24.01 | potatoes_ | example: user pts/1 hostname Mon Oct 1 |
| 08:24.02 | potatoes_ | etc.. |
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| 08:27.07 | heurist | potatoes_: awk is probably the best if you are doing it at the command line or in a script. grep, cut, and sed are options too. |
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| 08:28.50 | potatoes_ | ya cut is nice if the file is predictably laid out |
| 08:29.01 | potatoes_ | unfortunately i couldn't think of a good delimiter to use |
| 08:29.35 | heurist | potatoes_: space works for the sample you gave. |
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| 08:29.43 | potatoes_ | ya it does |
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| 08:29.48 | potatoes_ | but its not an accurate example |
| 08:29.52 | potatoes_ | there are tabs |
| 08:29.53 | potatoes_ | and spaces |
| 08:30.02 | heurist | dpkg: tell potatoes_ -about enter |
| 08:30.23 | heurist | potatoes_: awk uses spaces and tabs at the same time. |
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| 08:36.54 | eptalon | heyas |
| 08:37.10 | eptalon | how do I get sound (hda-intel) in kernel 3.16? |
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| 08:40.30 | tugrik | morning :) I'm having trouble installing from debian testing install CDs... I've read in forums that installing debian from the "full" CDs is flaky, is that the case? |
| 08:41.35 | heurist | dpkg: tell tugrik -about testing installer |
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| 08:41.58 | heurist | tugrik: you should install a minimal stable system then upgrade that to testing |
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| 08:42.39 | eptalon | tugrik: use the netinst image (for stable), once you have the system as you like it, upgrade to testing, or unstable, ... |
| 08:43.23 | tugrik | cheers, next time, I'll ask in here first... or read more documentation ;) |
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| 08:46.32 | eptalon | tugrik: that also applies for netboot setups btw. |
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| 08:56.31 | tugrik | thanks heurist - especially as I presume I'm not the first to make that error... |
| 08:57.15 | heurist | tugrik: you are not, that is why there is a bot factoid about it. they need to make that clearer on the website. |
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| 08:58.31 | heurist | tugrik: also, questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net they deal with jessie while this is the channel for stable. they will know more about specific issue you have when you are running jessie. |
| 08:59.03 | tugrik | ah, that I didn't know either, thank you... although, er, it is in the topic |
| 08:59.05 | tugrik | *blush* |
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| 09:00.00 | heurist | tugrik: at the *end* of the topic. which is full of strange language. so that happens all the time too. (: |
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| 09:07.17 | ghormoon | is it possible to hotplug pci devices in debian? |
| 09:10.10 | ghormoon | sees it doesn't manage to connect anything, dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/471f0b9e/ |
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| 09:17.19 | blue_sky | what program(s) can I use to run a command on one TTY from another TTY? |
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| 09:22.07 | Rovanion | I'm having an issue where programs waiting for network io won't listen to sigkill. Why is this? Why won't they die? |
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| 09:23.48 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy SynrG here? |
| 09:23.52 | osee5 | I don't really understand the difference between services and autostart. Someone here who could explain this? |
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| 09:24.12 | Rovanion | I thought sigkill went to the kernel directly which just freed it's resources. |
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| 09:25.06 | Rovanion | osee5: I'm not sure, but I'd wager services are started at the OS level, on boot. Meanwhile autostart programs are started on user login. |
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| 09:26.36 | osee5 | Rovanion: Thank you. Sound system is autostart in my system (by default). Why it's not a service? |
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| 09:28.59 | L0aD1nG | anyone has any idea why this is happening when I halt/reboot my system. (both on backports and stable) rsyslog stacks cause by nm-dispatcher.action.. |
| 09:29.05 | Rovanion | osee5: Don't know really. I guess it makes sense that pulseaudio is run as the user using it since the user is writing and reading from it a lot? |
| 09:29.09 | L0aD1nG | here is a picture from kern.log |
| 09:29.11 | L0aD1nG | https://i.imgur.com/19k33hD.png |
| 09:29.25 | osee5 | Rovanion: Yes, could be. Thanks for your help. |
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| 09:30.40 | Rovanion | osee5: Then again I really don't know |
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| 09:33.15 | blue_sky | L0aD1nG: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87576/slow-shutdown-due-to-modemmanager-and-nm-dispatcher-action |
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| 09:37.46 | L0aD1nG | blue_sky: I will try it out. |
| 09:37.50 | L0aD1nG | blue_sky: thanks a lot. |
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| 09:41.29 | L0aD1nG | brb |
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| 10:03.25 | hid3 | Hello. ANyone using 'mpc' to control the 'mpd' daemon? Is there any way to display which playlist is currently loaded? 'mpc playlist' command lists all tracks instead but doesn't display the file path or name... |
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| 10:17.51 | knosys | hey guys what software do you recommend for talking in the skype network? |
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| 10:19.20 | deepblue | how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/128747/ |
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| 10:20.15 | Bierdieb | im trying to get adb platform tools working an edited ~/.profile as follows: |
| 10:20.35 | Bierdieb | if [ -d "/home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools" ] ; then |
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| 10:20.54 | Bierdieb | PATH="/home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools:$PATH" |
| 10:21.19 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# adb push busybox /data/local/tmp/ bash: adb: command not found |
| 10:22.18 | Bierdieb | i dont know what ive done wrong. |
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| 10:23.53 | heurist | deepblue: what do you want us to fix? don't make us go to the net to see if your issue is anything we know about. mention a summary of the issue and pastebin the details. |
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| 10:24.35 | heurist | Bierdieb: show us echo $path and which adb , also ls -l /home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools/ |
| 10:24.45 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 10:24.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:24.48 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: ^^ |
| 10:25.47 | heurist | Bierdieb: you probably need chmod a+x /home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools/adb |
| 10:25.51 | jelly-home | deepblue: no debian package names use Capital Letters |
| 10:26.43 | deepblue | jelly, solved,thanx a lot |
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| 10:26.51 | jelly-home | deepblue: try doing apt-cache search KRemoteControl |
| 10:26.56 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 10:31.54 | deepblue | jelly-home, solved,thanx a lot |
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| 10:39.14 | Bierdieb | hardcore learning^^ |
| 10:39.19 | Bierdieb | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-10-26_11_49_23-iz6pqiIM.png |
| 10:39.35 | Bierdieb | this is my ~/.profile |
| 10:39.45 | Bierdieb | is there something wrong with ist? |
| 10:40.19 | heurist | Bierdieb: echo $PATH for us |
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| 10:41.23 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# echo $path root@Dellbian:~# |
| 10:41.33 | Bierdieb | nothing seems to happen? |
| 10:41.41 | heurist | Bierdieb: echo $PATH for us see the capitals? |
| 10:41.55 | Bierdieb | sry |
| 10:42.02 | heurist | Bierdieb: no worries. |
| 10:42.29 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 10:43.06 | heurist | Bierdieb: are you using bash as your shell? do you have a ~/.bash_profile ? |
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| 10:43.36 | jelly-home | s/your shell/root's shell/, apparently |
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| 10:44.19 | heurist | Bierdieb: and how are you becoming root? |
| 10:44.23 | Bierdieb | i dont think so: |
| 10:44.24 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# ls -a . .aptitude .bashrc .dbus .gnupg .pulse .ssh.Xauthority .. .bash_history .cache .gconf .profile .pulse-cookie .synapticxorg.conf.new |
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| 10:44.42 | L0aD1nG | blue_sky: the link you sended me didn't workr. things is like that; I install wicd,disabled network manager from start up. But still nm-applet starts up so nm-dispatcher.action is also up. |
| 10:44.54 | Bierdieb | i use to open rootshell and iam requested root pw |
| 10:45.09 | heurist | Bierdieb: is that roots .profile or you own? |
| 10:46.19 | Bierdieb | it was default file before i did the edit. there is another .profile in the home/bierdieb/.profile |
| 10:46.51 | Bierdieb | i tried to edit both with the same effect |
| 10:46.58 | heurist | Bierdieb: have you restarted the root shell since editing/changing the .profile file? |
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| 10:47.02 | Bierdieb | also i did a relog after editing |
| 10:47.28 | heurist | Bierdieb: open a normal user shell and show us echo $PATH |
| 10:48.10 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 10:48.23 | heurist | Bierdieb: from that user shell run sudo -i |
| 10:49.01 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ sudo -i [sudo] password for bierdieb: |
| 10:49.30 | heurist | Bierdieb: give it the password and show us echo $PATH |
| 10:50.18 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 10:50.38 | heurist | Bierdieb: add those lines to ~/.bashrc instead of .profile |
| 10:50.53 | heurist | Bierdieb: also show us echo $0 that is a zero |
| 10:51.34 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# echo $0 -bash |
| 10:51.47 | heurist | Bierdieb: good at least it *is* bash |
| 10:52.20 | Bierdieb | so i simply need to edit .bashhrc instead of .profile? |
| 10:52.47 | heurist | Bierdieb: maybe, try it. |
| 10:53.00 | Bierdieb | is it hard to understand the difference? |
| 10:53.11 | heurist | Bierdieb: show us ls -l /home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools/ |
| 10:53.40 | heurist | Bierdieb: one is only used for "login shells" it it gets complicated. (: |
| 10:54.11 | Bierdieb | root@Dellbian:~# ls -l /home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools/ ls: cannot access /home/bierdieb/Documents/AndroidModding/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702/platform-tools/: No such file or directory |
| 10:54.23 | Bierdieb | something wrong with the path i guess |
| 10:54.28 | heurist | Bierdieb: well, there is your problem, the directory is not called that. |
| 10:54.52 | heurist | Bierdieb: make it something short, like /home/bierdieb/android-dev/ |
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| 10:55.18 | Bierdieb | i created the path using the shell with tabs, so i was sure its correct |
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| 10:56.12 | Bierdieb | ill try shortenig the path. thanks for your patience and help anyways |
| 10:56.13 | heurist | Bierdieb: it could be permissions, keeping it short still helps to make sure you are getting it right. |
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| 11:04.53 | L0aD1nG | I "fixed" the problem with syslog problem :D |
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| 11:08.28 | tsun | Does dpkg or apt-get have any parameters to show how big the installed programs are? |
| 11:08.47 | tsun | `--get-selections` shows the installed, but I wish to know their sizes in bytes or kilobytes at least |
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| 11:10.04 | rozie | tsun: wajig sizes |
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| 11:10.22 | L0aD1nG | tsun: apt-cache show <package> | grep size; |
| 11:10.24 | rozie | wajig is dpkg/apt-get/aptitude frontend. very good IMHVHO |
| 11:10.26 | L0aD1nG | there you go |
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| 11:11.06 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: how? |
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| 11:11.21 | tsun | I want all the installed packages tho |
| 11:11.24 | SynrGy | and why "scare quotes"? ugly workaround? |
| 11:11.28 | tsun | Ill check that out hang on |
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| 11:12.12 | rozie | you can also use dpkg-query with custom format to get what you want |
| 11:13.59 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: I ve researched a lot, found this https://i.imgur.com/19k33hD.png |
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| 11:14.26 | tsun | wajig sizes works nice, but I'll try dpkg-query now as well |
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| 11:14.29 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: I 've updated the rsyslog on backports one (before finding this) |
| 11:15.09 | L0aD1nG | then I tried manually killing the nm-applet; cause it didn't close with "service network-manager stop" |
| 11:15.22 | L0aD1nG | and rebooting... nothing happened |
| 11:16.26 | L0aD1nG | so I just closed nm-applet from startup with gnome-session-properties, and disabled network-manager too; install wicd. |
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| 11:16.55 | L0aD1nG | ohh |
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| 11:17.37 | L0aD1nG | and trying to remove network-manager, won't help cause it will also remove "gnome*" :O |
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| 11:18.33 | L0aD1nG | thats all SynrGy I didn't really fixed it, I just stopped it. |
| 11:18.36 | tsun | will apt-get purge <package> completely remove the files, right? |
| 11:18.44 | L0aD1nG | tsun: yea |
| 11:18.49 | tsun | ok thx lol |
| 11:19.02 | tsun | Cause I still get "config-files" and other things |
| 11:19.05 | tsun | but eh |
| 11:19.25 | tsun | apt-get autoremove might fix em |
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| 11:22.43 | MasterPiece | Hello, What is the channel for debian packaging ? |
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| 11:22.47 | heurist | tsun: if you want to know installed sizes, dpigs from the debian-goodies package may be of interest. |
| 11:23.16 | tsun | hmm |
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| 11:24.30 | tsun | thanks, that's nice |
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| 11:49.49 | modulus | Hi. I'm running debian 7.7. What's the package I should choose for java? one of the ice tea ones or openjdk? I'm not sure how to make this choice. |
| 11:50.07 | SynrGy | what are you trying to accomplish? java in your browser? |
| 11:50.16 | modulus | no, clojure stuff, i want a server jvm |
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| 11:50.25 | modulus | ideally the most competent one i can get |
| 11:50.39 | SynrGy | icedtea is a plugin for in browser java |
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| 11:50.54 | modulus | oh i see, so openjdk7 would be my best choice? |
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| 11:51.22 | SynrGy | you probably want openjdk-7-jdk, which is what default-jdk installs |
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| 11:51.50 | SynrGy | if you install default-jdk, then when you upgrade to the next release, the *next* default jdk will be upgraded |
| 11:51.57 | SynrGy | rather than you being stuck back with the old one |
| 11:52.11 | modulus | ahhhh, that makes sense |
| 11:52.27 | modulus | i had a java 6 and i was wondering why it didn't update, i probably installed it by number |
| 11:52.46 | SynrGy | although at this point, default-jdk points at 7 in jessie, too |
| 11:52.54 | SynrGy | openjdk-8-jdk is too new |
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| 11:54.11 | SynrGy | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 11:54.13 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on i386 -- sid: 8u40~b09-1 |
| 11:54.18 | modulus | hmm if i do apt-get install default.jdk it still wants to install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 11:54.19 | SynrGy | so new, it's only in sid, in fact |
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| 11:55.16 | SynrGy | ah, hm. then i am mistaken |
| 11:55.23 | modulus | i don't think i need jdk8 but i'd at least like 7 :-) |
| 11:55.24 | SynrGy | ,v default-jdk |
| 11:55.25 | judd | Package: default-jdk on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.6-40; wheezy: 1:1.6-47; sid: 2:1.7-52; jessie: 2:1.7-52 |
| 11:55.49 | SynrGy | i guess 6 was current when wheezy released. |
| 11:55.54 | SynrGy | time blunts memory about such things :) |
| 11:56.01 | modulus | yes |
| 11:56.11 | modulus | so then i install openjdk-7 and remove 6? |
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| 11:56.34 | SynrGy | they are co-installable. you can keep 6 if you like, until you're sure everything you need works fine with 7 |
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| 11:56.46 | modulus | excellent. many thanks for your help. |
| 11:56.49 | SynrGy | np |
| 11:57.59 | tsun | Eh, I'm trying to remove iceape-browser but it's forcing me to install other stuff... |
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| 12:02.55 | wakd | MasterPiece, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:03.08 | jalalsfs | tsun, Try to remove it with dpkg. |
| 12:03.18 | tsun | hmm ok |
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| 12:06.34 | Bierdieb_ | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ adb shell error: insufficient permissions for device |
| 12:06.48 | Bierdieb_ | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ sudo adb root [sudo] password for bierdieb: sudo: adb: command not found |
| 12:07.02 | Bierdieb_ | i dont get it. |
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| 12:07.43 | tsun | welp, I don't think I can remove it.. It depends on sun-java6-bin and I need JAVA for a specific program |
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| 12:08.27 | tsun | Bierdieb_: install adb first |
| 12:10.00 | heurist | Bierdieb_: adb is not in root's path |
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| 12:10.59 | Bierdieb_ | so adb has to be in root path? |
| 12:11.12 | heurist | Bierdieb_: if run as root via sudo, yes. |
| 12:11.48 | Bierdieb_ | omg. Okay, ill give it a try. thx |
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| 12:17.32 | jelly-home | Bierdieb_: or run it with full path, sudo /path/to/executable/adb ... |
| 12:19.20 | Bierdieb_ | how to copy my folder into the root directory? cp -r AndroidModding/ ~ does not work so far^^ |
| 12:20.00 | babilen | Bierdieb_: Where do you have adb installed? If you installed it from the android-tools-adb package it should be in /usr/bin which you should have in your path. |
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| 12:20.11 | babilen | judd: v android-tools-adb |
| 12:20.12 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-5 |
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| 12:20.38 | Bierdieb_ | no id put it manually into /home/bierdieb/AndroidMOdding... |
| 12:20.46 | ghost75_ | how would you start something after lightdm is started? i tried init script with S99 but after apt-get it gets S01 again |
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| 12:21.32 | babilen | Bierdieb_: Well, you'd have to put that in your (and sudo's) PATH then. Any particular reason why you don't use the packaged software? |
| 12:21.44 | babilen | (age probably) |
| 12:21.48 | heurist | ghost75_: lightdm has scripts that is runs at various stages of its execution, see the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 12:21.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bierdieb_ -about sudo path |
| 12:22.11 | Bierdieb_ | 1st, i followed the instructions, 2nd learning purposes^^ |
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| 12:23.49 | Bierdieb_ | i guess it will work as soon i copy the folder into the root path, but i dont know how the path has to be named |
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| 12:24.59 | babilen | Bierdieb_: I wouldn't necessarily do that. You could install it to /usr/local and use stow to manage that -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage. But then, just install the package and you are done. |
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| 12:25.25 | babilen | But yes. It would, naturally, work if you copy it into a directory in sudo's PATH |
| 12:25.58 | Bierdieb_ | babilen: thx, but this will go too far for me now, as i spend hours to make adb work at all by now^^ |
| 12:26.44 | heurist | Bierdieb_: the path should include "/home/bierdieb/AndroidMOdding" if that is where the file is. can you not just install the package android-tools-adb ? |
| 12:26.49 | babilen | Bierdieb_: Just add wheezy-backports to your sources.list and run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install android-tools-adb" and you are done. |
| 12:27.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bierdieb_ -about wheezy-backports |
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| 12:27.19 | doubttt | hi guys, I have one question. If I have my block device which is diveded into 4k blocks and I have a file that is 10k, how many blocks my file would occupy? I believe 3. So will I waste 2kb, or the filesystem can write one file in the other half of the block? |
| 12:27.21 | heurist | Bierdieb_: there are some security concerns with having root's path contain directories writable by users. |
| 12:28.39 | babilen | yes, don't do that. |
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| 12:29.12 | babilen | dpkg: the former |
| 12:29.12 | dpkg | babilen: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:29.31 | Bierdieb_ | as soon i install adb package ill have to start searching for its path and to put my additional files into the correct folder. i dont actually know whats a reasonable way for me to get that done.... |
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| 12:29.49 | doubttt | any help^ |
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| 12:31.51 | bsdbeard | Is it possible to check whether I'm running a script from the shell directly or from some application (i.e. check if it's launched from zsh or irssi) |
| 12:32.06 | babilen | Bierdieb_: What else do you need? |
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| 12:35.15 | jasonwc | nautilus refuses to allow me to change the permissions of my plex folder after copying it over |
| 12:35.24 | jasonwc | what's the command to set it rw for plex:plex recursively? |
| 12:35.39 | Bierdieb_ | ok, ill give it a try to install the package and start over from the beginning |
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| 12:37.22 | heurist | bsdbeard: ps --no-headers -o comm -p $PPID will tell you the parent's name, but that is probably bash due to the shebang. |
| 12:37.28 | bsdbeard | jasonwc, something like chmod +rw -R dirname |
| 12:37.42 | ghost75_ | when lightdm starts after machine reboots and nobody logs on, is the greeter phase already over or will it come after login? |
| 12:37.57 | jasonwc | bsdbeard, I also need to change the owner from root:root to plex:plex |
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| 12:38.31 | bsdbeard | jasonwc, sudo chown plex:plex -R dirname |
| 12:38.35 | bsdbeard | i think that would work |
| 12:38.39 | heurist | ghost75_: I think the greeter is the login screen. you can add some echo stage >> somelog statements to see what runs when |
| 12:38.45 | jasonwc | yeah, it worked |
| 12:38.47 | jasonwc | stupid nautilus |
| 12:38.51 | jasonwc | sometimes you just need CLI |
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| 12:39.41 | bsdbeard | heurist, wouldnt that output urxvt for anything working in the terminal? |
| 12:39.53 | bsdbeard | heurist, since the terminal is the parent for any subprocesses |
| 12:40.49 | heurist | bsdbeard: that would be the parent of the parent, since bash is running the terminal and bash runs your command, you will need to drill down the tree to see how far it does, maybe pstree would work for purposes? |
| 12:41.44 | bsdbeard | heurist, maybe there's a better way, here's my problem specifically - I want the script browser to launch w3m if it's called directly from the shell, and launch firefox if it's called from irssi/ranger/etc |
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| 12:41.54 | bsdbeard | since if I call w3m from irssi it won't be displayed |
| 12:42.29 | bsdbeard | I'm not sure if that's possible |
| 12:42.42 | heurist | bsdbeard: you can call xterm -e w3m and it will be displayed in a new terminal |
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| 12:43.08 | bsdbeard | but that will still display it in a new terminal if I call it directly from the shell :-( |
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| 12:44.42 | ghost75_ | heurist: display-setup-script = /etc/init.d/x11vnc start |
| 12:44.43 | heurist | bsdbeard: pstree -s -p $$ might works, you can grep that too see how deep yuo are |
| 12:44.56 | bsdbeard | oh well |
| 12:44.57 | ghost75_ | display-setup-script is run after the X server starts but before the user session / greeter is run. |
| 12:45.19 | ghost75_ | it doesnt start it |
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| 12:45.31 | bsdbeard | heurist, I think that would work, thanks! |
| 12:45.44 | heurist | ghost75_: that is not a script name it is a command. add that command to a script and tell lightdm about the script |
| 12:46.19 | ghost75_ | why is not a script |
| 12:46.36 | Bierdieb_ | root@Dellbian:/home/bierdieb# apt-get install android-tools-adb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package android-tools-adb |
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| 12:47.01 | heurist | ghost75_: because it is not *only* a script, it is a script *and* other stuff. |
| 12:47.10 | Bierdieb_ | okay, now i need to be told howto install the adb packages..... |
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| 12:47.22 | heurist | Bierdieb_: do you have backports in your sources.list? |
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| 12:47.35 | babilen | Bierdieb_: Did you add wheezy-backports to your sources.list and did you run "apt-get update"? |
| 12:47.37 | cloudowind | hello everyone |
| 12:48.31 | Bierdieb_ | äääh, NO. i did run apt-get update, but the backport thingy is completely new to me. dpkg tried to tell me about but i did not get it so far |
| 12:48.33 | babilen | Bierdieb_: The bot sent you information about that earlier, but you might have missed that. You should also use the command I gave you earlier (viz. "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install android-tools-adb") rather than the one you just tried. |
| 12:48.34 | bsdbeard | cloudowind, hello |
| 12:48.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bierdieb_ -about backports |
| 12:49.12 | popallamsimbi | hi, i'm still struggling with iceweasel 31.2. it takes lots of cpu load even when the window is in background the load average (in htop) gos from 0.2 without iw up to 0.85 when iceweasel is started. its unusale for me because the battery goes emty too fast. i use debian wheezy gnomeshell and several ff plugins (noscript, ghostery, cahoots, speed dial) but its the same when i start a new iw witout any plugins. dows anyone else has these |
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| 12:49.17 | babilen | Bierdieb_: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 12:49.33 | ghost75_ | heurist: then i create /usr/local/bin/x11vnc and start it there |
| 12:49.49 | Bierdieb_ | HAAAA. dpkg is a bot.... Im sorry guys, but am noobish at all. thanks for your patience. |
| 12:50.15 | ghost75_ | lol |
| 12:50.31 | heurist | ghost75_: are these questions? if that was a question the answer is: "yeah, that should work" |
| 12:50.43 | ghost75_ | i try now |
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| 12:51.55 | bsdbeard | popallamsimbi, have you tried grabbing a new firefox version from the repos? |
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| 12:53.00 | popallamsimbi | no i liked iceweasel. and ther it seems there is only that version provided with security updates. do you mean i should try the firefox firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 12:53.12 | bsdbeard | popallamsimbi, iceweasel is firefox |
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| 12:54.33 | popallamsimbi | yeah i know. and i use the version provided by apt and have already reinstalled it. but 31.2 is the only version i can install with apt |
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| 12:56.06 | bsdbeard | popallamsimbi, are you on wheezy? i checked apt-cache policy and it says firefox is v33.0 |
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| 12:56.25 | heurist | popallamsimbi: my iceweasel 31 with 145 tabs open is using 0% cpu (lots of ram though) maybe it is one of your plugins, try disable them and test, also try close your webpages as one of them may be doing horrible javascript stuff all the time. |
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| 12:56.33 | heurist | ,v iceweasel |
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| 12:56.55 | ghost75_ | uuh |
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| 12:57.02 | cloudowind | ... |
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| 12:57.03 | bsdbeard | ,v firefox |
| 12:57.03 | heurist | bsdbeard: iceweasel 31esr is the correct version for wheezy |
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| 12:57.03 | judd | No package named 'firefox' was found in i386. |
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| 12:57.05 | cloudowind | whats happening |
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| 12:57.19 | bsdbeard | heurist, huh |
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| 12:57.29 | cloudowind | was there a net split |
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| 12:57.38 | bsdbeard | heurist, when I check with apt-cache it shows different versions for iceweasel and firefox o_O |
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| 12:57.54 | heurist | bsdbeard: then you are not running wheezy |
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| 12:58.15 | ghost75_ | heurist: nope doesnt start |
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| 12:58.30 | ghost75_ | maybe should try tightvnc |
| 12:58.31 | popallamsimbi | yes wheezy, ok i will have a look about the version. yes i tried to disable all plugins. and tried to only activate noscript and have 10 tabs but the cpu load does not correlate with the number of tabs (in my case) |
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| 12:58.52 | heurist | bsdbeard: not pure then. check your sources, you might have the mozilla repo there. |
| 12:59.02 | bsdbeard | ahh good point |
| 12:59.05 | babilen | bsdbeard: Could you show us? But then FF is not packaged in Debian so I am not entirely sure what you refer to. |
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| 13:00.02 | babilen | bsdbeard: "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and "apt-cache policy PKG" output for all involved packages on http://paste.debian.net would do nicely |
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| 13:00.34 | popallamsimbi | in synaptic there is only version 24.4 or 31.2. problem is i m a noob. |
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| 13:00.37 | heurist | ghost75_: add a simple "echo the script is now running! > /tmp/test.log" to the top of the script to see that is is running, then deal with the program you are trying to run. |
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| 13:00.47 | bsdbeard | babilen, it seems I have the linux.mint repos in there and it grabbed firefox from that |
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| 13:00.55 | bsdbeard | works fine though.. hmm |
| 13:01.08 | ghost75_ | the script had already log file output and worked, never mind will try tightvnc now |
| 13:01.14 | bsdbeard | deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import |
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| 13:02.23 | bsdbeard | I dont remember putting that there though |
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| 13:02.54 | babilen | bsdbeard: Well, we don't support mint in here. You'd better take it to their channels on spotchat then. |
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| 13:03.44 | bsdbeard | ahh I don't have any problems, I was just trying to help popallamsimbi but didn't know my firefox was from the mint repos |
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| 13:06.05 | Bierdieb_ | ok, ive installed the adb package via backport apt-get. How can i identify its folder, so that i can add the additional needed files? |
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| 13:06.46 | babilen | Bierdieb_: It is /usr/bin and you should manually copy anything else in there. What else do you want to install? |
| 13:06.55 | babilen | *should not! |
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| 13:07.42 | bsdbeard | Bierdieb_, you can check all directories creates by installing adb with dpkg -L adb |
| 13:07.46 | bsdbeard | if that helps |
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| 13:08.18 | bsdbeard | although from my experience with adb you don't need to add anything, it downloads and installs platforms itself |
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| 13:09.22 | babilen | There is, however, little we can do if you don't tell us what else you want to install |
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| 13:09.30 | Bierdieb_ | babilen: what else as manually copying the additional files to that folder can i do? my instructions show it MUST be in the same folder as adb because it wont work otherwise |
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| 13:10.31 | Bierdieb_ | bsdbeard: im sorry, im newbie so i dont know how to useyour information |
| 13:10.46 | bsdbeard | Bierdieb_, what files do you want to copy? |
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| 13:11.17 | Bierdieb_ | there are plenty zip files which should be unpacked into that folder |
| 13:11.29 | babilen | Which instructions are you referring to? |
| 13:12.00 | Bierdieb_ | http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_vision#First.2C_downgrade_the_firmware_.28if_necessary.29 |
| 13:12.11 | babilen | (and "folder" is typically called a "directory" on Linux, just fyi) |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | Ah, Cyanogenmod |
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| 13:12.30 | Bierdieb_ | im trying to downgrade the firmware of my DesireZ (2.nd advice set) |
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| 13:13.07 | heurist | Bierdieb_: there is no reason for the firmware file to be in the same directory as the adb command. |
| 13:13.30 | bsdbeard | Bierdieb_, I think those instructions are for windows, where adb is not in your PATH variable, they don't need to be in the same folder if you're using linux |
| 13:13.36 | babilen | You don't have to copy those files to the exact directory adb is in. They provide those instructions to make sure you don't run into problems because certain programs/files won't be in your path. You typically just nee fastboot and adb in your PATH and can reference files directly on the filesystem (e.g. in "~/android/cm") |
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| 13:14.20 | bsdbeard | heh |
| 13:14.28 | Bierdieb_ | okay, ill try that. |
| 13:14.32 | babilen | In fact it'll be safer/easier because adb and fastboot will be properly installed. |
| 13:14.48 | babilen | judd: v android-tools-fastboot |
| 13:14.50 | judd | Package: android-tools-fastboot on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-5 |
| 13:14.54 | babilen | Bierdieb_: ^^^ |
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| 13:20.01 | nbb | Hi! Is there known any unofficial or official package - squid with ssl support. What's reason behind lack of this package? I know there is some ppa for ubuntu.. |
| 13:20.44 | heurist | nbb: squid in debian supports ssl (connect) |
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| 13:21.51 | jasonwc | Will changing permissions and ownership on a file cause rsync to think the file changed? |
| 13:22.40 | Bierdieb_ | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ adb push busybox /data/local/tmp/ * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * error: insufficient permissions for device |
| 13:23.29 | Bierdieb_ | oh, im trying with sudo |
| 13:23.44 | heurist | Bierdieb_: you need to be in the group that owns the device. |
| 13:23.48 | Brigo | jasonwc, because it changes. |
| 13:24.11 | jasonwc | will that result in it resending the entire file or just reverting the permissions? |
| 13:24.23 | Bierdieb_ | AAAAAAHRGH!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:24.38 | Bierdieb_ | how can that be managed? |
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| 13:26.37 | heurist | Bierdieb_: look at dmesg right after you plug the device in, take note of what it is called, then ls -l /dev/whatitwascalled to see the permissions. then add your user to the group listed there. relog |
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| 13:26.59 | jasonwc | Brigo, doesn't rsync just sync the changes? |
| 13:27.18 | Bierdieb_ | thx again |
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| 13:27.58 | nbb | heurist: I mean compiled with --enable-ssl. |
| 13:28.04 | Brigo | jasonwc, i do no know how it si managed. |
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| 13:29.55 | bsdbeard | jasonwc, there's flags you can pass to rsync to specify if you want to take permission/ownership flags into account |
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| 13:30.32 | jasonwc | bsdbeard, oh, interesting. What flag would I use to tell it to ignore permissions? |
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| 13:31.56 | bsdbeard | jasonwc, -p is preserve permissions so just dont use that, note that the -a (archive flag) includes -p in it |
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| 13:32.59 | jasonwc | bsdbeard, so rsync --progress /media/flexraid /data/ would work? |
| 13:33.26 | jasonwc | oh, and a -R for recursive |
| 13:33.28 | bsdbeard | you probably want to use at least some other flags |
| 13:34.00 | bsdbeard | jasonwc, check the flags used by archival mode -rlptgoD, pick which ones you need |
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| 13:34.19 | Bierdieb_ | that looks complicated, as i dont know how to use the information provided: |
| 13:34.22 | Bierdieb_ | [11881.656032] usb 1-7: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd [11881.801181] usb 1-7: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0c91 [11881.801189] usb 1-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [11881.801193] usb 1-7: Product: Android Phone [11881.801197] usb 1-7: Manufacturer: HTC [11881.801200] usb 1-7: SerialNumber: HT0BBRT03366 |
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| 13:34.39 | Bierdieb_ | What is the device name then? |
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| 13:44.37 | Bierdieb_ | how to identify the usb device in /dev/ ? http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-10-26_14_54_10-30YYJvGJ.png |
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| 13:48.09 | Bierdieb_ | and to which group will i need to add my user? |
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| 13:48.28 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: it is much nicer to use text where possible, you can copy/paste text with the mouse (middle-click pastes) or use the pastebinit or ls -l /dev/ | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 13:49.44 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: the output of dmesg shows it to be /dev/sdb but there may also be /dev/sdb1 and such, which you cut off in your paste. |
| 13:50.25 | xreal | A disadvantage of using AuFS instead of OverlayFS is: you can't find any good examples or tutorials on the web, since OverlayFS is chosen by the big Ubuntu community. |
| 13:51.19 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: you can sent us ls -l /dev/sdb* and we can see. |
| 13:52.15 | Bierdieb_ | brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 16 Oct 26 12:37 /dev/sdb |
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| 13:54.13 | Bierdieb_ | but i cant imagine howto use the information provided by dmesg to identify the device in dev, because there seems nothing to be corresponding to ls -l |
| 13:54.22 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: show us getent group floppy |
| 13:54.49 | Bierdieb_ | floppy:x:25:bierdieb |
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| 13:56.15 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: so, you are already in the needed group. does it work as root? is it not the device that is rejecting the upload due to permissions on the device itself? |
| 13:56.52 | Bierdieb_ | i have no answer to taht |
| 13:57.46 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: does it work as root? |
| 13:58.15 | Bierdieb_ | the device itself? no, thats the reason why i need to downgrade the firmware |
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| 13:58.50 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: the command |
| 13:59.21 | Bierdieb_ | i have to research how to get access to the device then, an the problem is not longer on my workstation? |
| 13:59.52 | Bierdieb_ | i tried the command as user, with sudo |
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| 14:01.08 | Bierdieb_ | root@Dellbian:~# adb push busybox /data/local/tmp/ error: insufficient permissions for device |
| 14:01.15 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: if root also can not do it then it is a permission problem on the device. does it work as root? |
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| 14:01.40 | Bierdieb_ | i have no root access to the device. |
| 14:01.45 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: ok, that sounds like a question for #android |
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| 14:02.45 | Bierdieb_ | okay, ill check that out. Thank you so much for your assistance, guys. Also i learned a lot about debian again today. |
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| 14:04.06 | heurist` | Bierdieb_: root on your workstation and root on the device have nothing to do with each other. but if root get the same permission errors then it is the device stopping you and you should look into how to make the device allow you to run that command. |
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| 14:11.01 | jasonwc | how do i force my machine to restart. systemd failed so reboot -n and shutdown -h now fail |
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| 14:11.54 | bdz | jasonwc: doesn't: shutdown -r NOW work? |
| 14:11.58 | jasonwc | reboot -f did the trick |
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| 14:15.36 | jasonwc | i'm being offerred a max res of 1600x1200 but my display supports 2560x1440. I'm on intel graphics. What should I do? |
| 14:16.16 | dvs | Rip out the GPU! ;-) |
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| 14:19.44 | asterismo | hi people |
| 14:20.02 | asterismo | i need a good software for listening to online radios, the most versatile software possible |
| 14:20.31 | heurist` | asterismo: for "versatile" look at mplayer |
| 14:20.34 | asterismo | is there any good options? i use Debian KDE but Amarok seems not to work with online radio stations, or at least it has no easy configuration |
| 14:20.45 | asterismo | mplayer handles radio stations? |
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| 14:24.36 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 14:25.22 | Brigo | asterismo, did you try this: kradio4 - comfortable radio application for KDE |
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| 14:27.11 | asturel | there is no zgrep? i have only a zgrep bash script but its just a wrapper and it doesnt support all grep option |
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| 14:28.05 | frostschutz | zgrep is a bash script. what option are you referring to? |
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| 14:28.20 | asturel | like grep -Fri "valami" --include='*.log.gz' |
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| 14:34.46 | mbrgm | hi! is there someone else having problems with the `nut` package in jessie? |
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| 14:35.18 | heurist` | mbrgm: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:35.28 | mbrgm | heurist`: ty |
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| 14:36.07 | frostschutz | asterismo, ah. yes, well. I guess you'd have to write that like: find -name "*.log.gz" -exec zgrep -Fi valami {} + or similar.. |
| 14:36.56 | asturel | i would prefer some native support for it :D |
| 14:37.05 | asturel | there's no compression which natively supported by grep ? |
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| 14:37.50 | asturel | hmm gzip: /bin/zgrep |
| 14:38.03 | asturel | bzip2: /bin/bzgrep |
| 14:38.26 | frostschutz | asturel, not that I know of. I agree it would make quite a lot of sense for grep to support that directly... |
| 14:39.16 | asturel | ah.. even gzip package is just a script |
| 14:39.18 | tremon | asturel: grep is a text tool. Anything beyond text can be handled with pipes. zgrep is just a convenience wrapper for the most common usage |
| 14:39.52 | asturel | yeah but then i have to use find + zcat + grep |
| 14:40.11 | asturel | or atleast find + zgrep |
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| 14:40.50 | tremon | of course. Unix gives you tools, not solutions ;) |
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| 14:44.30 | Avic | I have one a question. I finally have the vnc + vnc4server working. I'm using it with a ssh tunneling with putty. I like it :-) My question is if i can use remote desktop protocol with this ssh tunnel? |
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| 14:45.13 | Avic | I tested once the rdp, and i have the sensation it was faster. |
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| 14:45.58 | heurist` | Avic: you can use rdp with ssh, but not with the *same* tunnel, or at least not without adding the needed ports to the tunnel. |
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| 14:46.02 | Avic | but if cant be done with ssh tunneling, i don't want it |
| 14:46.48 | tremon | Avic: you can do port forwarding with ssh, see the -L and -R options |
| 14:46.52 | heurist` | Avic: you can tunnel *anything* through ssh if it is tcp. |
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| 14:48.19 | Avic | oh |
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| 14:48.57 | Avic | i like to try et |
| 14:49.04 | Avic | it* |
| 14:50.20 | Avic | you know what rdp is better to work with windows 7 + debian server |
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| 14:51.07 | Avic | to me look for the guide and see if i can do it |
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| 14:54.16 | marvin-hh | When using KDE, and upgrading, how can you make sure that all the user configuration survives an upgrade? |
| 14:54.50 | marvin-hh | I like KDE, but I hate having to reconfigure the location of various icons and launchers each time there is some major upgrade. |
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| 15:03.40 | mariana | Hi |
| 15:03.51 | mariana | I can't shutdown the computer |
| 15:03.59 | mariana | I have LXDE |
| 15:04.03 | mariana | debian jessie |
| 15:04.17 | heurist` | mariana: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:04.29 | mariana | I've just realised that I don't have the group power or powerdev |
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| 15:04.38 | metala | mariana: sudo poweroff ? |
| 15:04.38 | mariana | is it due a missing package? |
| 15:04.59 | mariana | I didn't have the apmd, I have it now but is the same |
| 15:08.26 | Brigo | mariana, what is your Display Manager? |
| 15:09.00 | rozie | probably no capabilities |
| 15:09.33 | Brigo | mariana, it use to be a permission problems and the guilty use to be the DM. |
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| 15:14.57 | unkmar | There is a loop at service single if started. |
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| 15:16.10 | unkmar | There is a loop at service DbSecuritySpt if started |
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| 15:20.10 | marvin-hh | Can you tell me what this program is supposed to do and why? { echo a;echo a;sleep 10 } | grep --line-buffering -m 1 a |
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| 15:21.06 | unkmar | I don't know why it would echo 2 lines of the letter a and then sleep for 10 seconds. |
| 15:22.07 | unkmar | and it won't work because the switch is suppose to be --line-buffered |
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| 15:23.21 | unkmar | marvin-hh: that must be being used in tandem with something else. By itself it appears very incomplete. |
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| 15:23.43 | marvin-hh | unkmar: ah, sorry, --line-buffered. |
| 15:24.08 | marvin-hh | unkmar: yes, obviously this is the result of some longish debug session. |
| 15:24.22 | marvin-hh | unkmar: IMHO, this should return immediately and not sleep. |
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| 15:25.30 | nezZario | Ok, thunar sucks |
| 15:25.40 | nezZario | Is there a nicer file explorer ? |
| 15:25.40 | unkmar | I don't see its functional purpose. It isn't search anything relavant. It isn't returning it to be used anywhere. |
| 15:26.20 | nezZario | also, isn't there a specific channel for debian sid questions on freenode? |
| 15:27.20 | unkmar | I don't know. I appear to be working with a problem that is unsolvable without a reinstall. and I can't think of anything I did that made it magically crash. |
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| 15:32.51 | jmcnaught | nezZario: you might be thinking of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:33.08 | marvin-hh | unkmar: the question is simply why the sleep even gets executed. |
| 15:33.19 | marvin-hh | unkmar: I don't think grep is behaving the way it should. |
| 15:33.23 | marvin-hh | unkmar: that's all. |
| 15:34.40 | unkmar | because it exits. ; is a command separator. run this; then that; I think you want &&. |
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| 15:35.36 | unkmar | grep doesn't stop the commands from running. It simply stops parsing the results from them. |
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| 15:37.31 | nezZario | jmcnaught: thanks. |
| 15:37.51 | heurist` | dpkg: tell marvin-hh -about crosspost |
| 15:38.46 | marvin-hh | unkmar: why isn't the { .. } seen as one compound command? |
| 15:39.37 | marvin-hh | unkmar: oh, I get it. |
| 15:39.53 | marvin-hh | unkmar: thanks |
| 15:40.06 | unkmar | I'm sure it is. but it still wouldn't stop it from running. And yeah, I can see where you expect the grep to return immediately. because grep should exit before the sleep executes. However, you have line buffered that might be holding it up. |
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| 15:41.21 | marvin-hh | unkmar: no, that's not the reason. |
| 15:41.46 | unkmar | then, it is because all of it must run before grep even sees it. |
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| 15:42.46 | heurist` | marvin-hh: the commands you ordered bash to run have to run, grep only filters the output, it does not kill your command after it finds what it needs. |
| 15:42.56 | marvin-hh | heurist`: indeed. |
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| 15:43.27 | marvin-hh | heurist`: if you would just have told that directly, it would have saved me cracking my brain (I did figure it out when unkmar used && instead). |
| 15:44.01 | heurist` | marvin-hh: I did just tell you that directly. (: |
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| 15:46.51 | marvin-hh | heurist`: actually, replacing it with && isn't enough. |
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| 15:47.06 | heurist` | marvin-hh: no, that would have no affect. |
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| 15:47.32 | marvin-hh | heurist`: if the shell would have a bit more intelligence, that could have worked. |
| 15:48.06 | marvin-hh | heurist`: can you also tell me why that should not work? |
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| 15:48.47 | heurist` | marvin-hh: the shell is an intelligent as you want it to be. echo a | grep a || echo a | grep a || sleep 10 |
| 15:49.08 | marvin-hh | heurist`: { /bin/echo a && /bin/echo a && sleep 10 } | grep -m 1 a # does work for example |
| 15:49.44 | marvin-hh | heurist`: it is sort of unsatisfying that echo and /bin/echo don't have the same semantics. |
| 15:50.07 | heurist` | marvin-hh: grep does not change the orders you gave the shell, you said to run this command and then run that one based on the return code of the first, grep does not change the return code in your pipe |
| 15:50.27 | heurist` | marvin-hh: shell builtin vs external command. |
| 15:50.52 | marvin-hh | heurist`: sure, but I think it's still bad design. |
| 15:51.09 | marvin-hh | heurist`: at least, I do understand the reasoning. |
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| 16:02.53 | unkmar | just, awesome. It appears I'm hosed. I don't have a separate /home partition so. I can't reinstall to recover the system. |
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| 16:05.29 | unkmar | I don't have time for this. It'll take 2 or 3 days to repair. Gotta buy or find a drive for backup. create install media. USB rarely works. and this sytem doesn't have an optical drive. |
| 16:05.48 | kline | unkmar, what happened? |
| 16:05.50 | kline | im not long in |
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| 16:06.08 | unkmar | There is a loop at service DbSecuritySpt if started |
| 16:07.00 | unkmar | kline: I've got multiple complaints in aptitude and. Lose keyboard when gui attempts to boot. |
| 16:07.38 | kline | booted into single user ("recovery") mode? |
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| 16:07.46 | jasonwc | Does samba 4.1 do SMB 2.0 by default? |
| 16:07.54 | jasonwc | Or do I need to enable it explicitly? |
| 16:08.13 | unkmar | I can, but no. I have ssh still. been accessing via that. |
| 16:08.22 | kline | ok, whats the problem |
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| 16:09.01 | unkmar | ps aux doesn't show any running processes. |
| 16:09.08 | unkmar | of course. top does. |
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| 16:10.27 | unkmar | kline: I can't get a GUI and I don't where the problem is. |
| 16:10.57 | kline | what did you do in your last GUI session? |
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| 16:11.57 | unkmar | Leave it running. come back and it was crashed. Mainly: 2 minecraft servers a chrome window and pidgin. |
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| 16:12.57 | kline | sorry, i cant help |
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| 16:13.21 | unkmar | tell me where to look? dmesg doesn't report any problems. |
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| 16:20.46 | Otyugh | hey. How to set permanently a hdpram config ? Is there GUIs doing that ? |
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| 16:20.57 | e-anima | do you guys know some kind of backuptool that runs on a root/linux server and can backup external ftps and mysql db? |
| 16:21.55 | Avic | i want to add a theme in xfce |
| 16:21.59 | rgb-one | hey everyone |
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| 16:22.20 | Shadow` | e-anima that can be done with a bash script |
| 16:22.25 | Avic | http://www.noobslab.com/2014/05/mediterranean-themes-updated-for-1404.html |
| 16:22.37 | rgb-one | I have a basic understanding of what the nsswitch.conf file does, namely how it handles name services. |
| 16:22.38 | Avic | but this is for ubuntu, i have debian |
| 16:22.54 | Avic | i cant do the add repository thing |
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| 16:23.22 | rgb-one | can anyone give me a link to a thorough explaination of nsswitch.conf |
| 16:23.31 | rgb-one | ? |
| 16:23.43 | e-anima | Shadow` so you mean like using bascript and a ftp tool to login there and download. then run i tat cron? |
| 16:23.44 | Avic | ho i ca do this: |
| 16:23.48 | Avic | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/themes |
| 16:23.56 | Avic | in debian? |
| 16:24.03 | e-anima | i thought maybe there is a solution/tool already |
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| 16:27.13 | bo` | hello, where is the standard debian place to put compiled programs -- /usr/local, /opt, or $HOME/bin ? |
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| 16:28.23 | rgb-one_ | can anyone give me a link to a thorough explaination of nsswitch.conf? |
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| 16:29.47 | phy1729 | rgb-one_: man nsswitch.conf |
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| 16:30.18 | rgb-one_ | done that already but I dont think it has what im looking for |
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| 16:30.23 | rgb-one_ | I will try again |
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| 16:30.38 | phy1729 | what don't you grok about it? |
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| 16:37.04 | unkmar | okay. I still have several problems. However, I have determined that gdm3 broke. |
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| 16:41.25 | da3m0n22 | hi, regarding poodle (sslv3) cve, is there way to disable VERS-SSL3.0 with apache2/mod_gnutls ? |
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| 16:42.06 | da3m0n22 | "GnuTLSPriorities SECURE256:-VERS-SSL3.0:-VERS-TLS1.0" doesn't do the thing for me ... |
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| 16:43.19 | heurist` | da3m0n22: that is fairly apache specific, #httpd might be a better place to ask. |
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| 16:45.39 | da3m0n22 | heurist`: oh, nevermind, found solution on Florian response to bug, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754960 |
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| 16:45.44 | rgb-one_ | ok man provides some useful info |
| 16:46.16 | rgb-one_ | however do you have any other reccommended resources on nsswitch.conf |
| 16:46.20 | rgb-one_ | ? |
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| 16:47.23 | heurist` | rgb-one_: aside from google? google has lots. |
| 16:48.37 | rgb-one_ | I guess I am being a bit lazy eh |
| 16:49.14 | rgb-one_ | alright, thanks. |
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| 16:51.48 | michaelis | Hi. Is the final word said on implementing systemd in jessie? |
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| 16:52.34 | Cpuroast | michaelis: yes, it's going in |
| 16:52.40 | Cpuroast | end of discussion |
| 16:52.41 | galex-713 | Hello, how to change GDM3 background? |
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| 16:53.49 | Cpuroast | michaelis: it's been set as the default when you install testing |
| 16:53.54 | michaelis | Cpuroast, I'm guessing it's far from EOD. |
| 16:53.57 | Humanoid | "dpkg -S" can be used to find which installed package a particular file is from. Is there some way to scan my whole rootfs to make sure every file is handled by a particular package? Doing a "find ... | dpkg -S" would take too long. |
| 16:54.10 | Cpuroast | michaelis: it's not |
| 16:54.20 | michaelis | Cpuroast, What about the fork threats, any news on that? |
| 16:54.21 | Cpuroast | systemd was voted |
| 16:54.30 | Cpuroast | to be the new init |
| 16:54.37 | unkmar | I'm missing my gnome-session files. |
| 16:54.49 | Cpuroast | and the gears are already in motion |
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| 16:55.42 | michaelis | Cpuroast, What about the fork threats, any news on that? |
| 16:55.47 | Cpuroast | no idea |
| 16:56.12 | Cpuroast | as far as I know Ubuntu is also going with systemd |
| 16:56.37 | michaelis | Cpuroast, Ok. I understand. Too bad then. I |
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| 16:57.08 | Cpuroast | not really, means RedHat, Debian and Ubuntu will all be based on systemd |
| 16:57.09 | michaelis | I'm just a novice but when I heard it's not the *nix way I got worried. |
| 16:57.09 | heurist` | Humanoid: apt-get install cruft |
| 16:57.12 | Cpuroast | that's not a bad thing |
| 16:57.42 | Humanoid | heurist`: Thanks! |
| 16:57.47 | Cpuroast | and RedHat, obviously also means CentOS |
| 16:57.47 | unkmar | my gnome crashes at the login screen. |
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| 16:58.14 | brentaarnold | Can someone please recommend a program for burning Windows ISO's from Debian 7.7? |
| 16:58.27 | brentaarnold | I shouldn't say burn, I should say create bootable USB* |
| 16:58.44 | verri | brentaarnold: dd doesn't work? |
| 16:58.54 | brentaarnold | verri: dd? |
| 16:58.58 | verri | man dd |
| 16:59.00 | rozie | or cat |
| 16:59.15 | brentaarnold | ty |
| 16:59.24 | rozie | cat file.img > /dev/sdX |
| 16:59.25 | Humanoid | I hope Debian doesn't make systemd a requirement. |
| 16:59.34 | verri | and why not? |
| 16:59.46 | michaelis | Cpuroast, Ok. Thank you for your information. We will just have to see what the future brings. |
| 17:00.16 | Cpuroast | it's been pretty much voted as the new init system for all major distros |
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| 17:00.54 | michaelis | Cpuroast, So I've heard but it doesn't seem to please all. |
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| 17:01.14 | Cpuroast | not everyone likes change |
| 17:01.29 | Cpuroast | and everyone has their own opinion |
| 17:01.33 | Humanoid | verri: The boycott systemd mentions the best reasons. |
| 17:01.39 | michaelis | Cpuroast, Indeed. |
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| 17:01.40 | Humanoid | The boycott systemd website that is. |
| 17:01.49 | verri | Humanoid: which have been debunked numerous times |
| 17:01.56 | mbrgm | has someone in here configured nut with debian? |
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| 17:02.11 | Cpuroast | Humanoid: it will be the default init, but an alt init may be optional |
| 17:02.16 | Humanoid | verri: Do you have a link to a place that debunks the boycott systemd site's points? |
| 17:02.39 | verri | Humanoid: the systemd project website would be a good start ;) |
| 17:03.01 | bo` | unless you are an advanced linux user, you're not going to notice a difference -- except your pc will boot a lot faster |
| 17:03.19 | Humanoid | verri: I mean, a site that specifically debunks the numbered points from the boycott page. |
| 17:03.35 | Humanoid | The boycott page has references to prove every one of their points. |
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| 17:04.07 | Humanoid | Cpuroast: So I should be able to run my computer without installed systemd at all? |
| 17:04.12 | Cpuroast | no idea |
| 17:04.35 | Humanoid | I'm running debian testing, and I removed the systemd package, but libsystemd is still there because it's a requirement by dbus, which in turn required by a bunch of packages I need. |
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| 17:05.13 | Cpuroast | then I doubt you'll be able to avoid systemd |
| 17:05.16 | Cpuroast | completely |
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| 17:05.47 | jordanm | this really isn't the place for even more systemd discussion. most of us have grown tired of the discussion already |
| 17:05.49 | michaelis | It would be interesting to know WHY systemd has been voted for. |
| 17:06.04 | heurist` | !why systemd |
| 17:06.04 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
| 17:06.07 | phy1729 | michaelis: the discussion was public afaik |
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| 17:06.54 | michaelis | But GNOME still relies on systemd. |
| 17:06.57 | jhutchins_wk | michaelis: If you want to know just look at the mailing list archives and the forums. It was very publicly debated. |
| 17:07.19 | michaelis | phy1729, jhutchins_wk I will, thank you. |
| 17:07.24 | Humanoid | If I remember, only 4 people voted for systemd. Shouldn't there have been more people allowed to vote for it? 4 people hardly represents the majority of debian users or developers. |
| 17:07.28 | jhutchins_wk | michaelis: Basically SysV init needs major updates, and upstart didn't go far enough. |
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| 17:07.32 | jordanm | michaelis: no, it relies on an interface that systemd provides. there is an alternative implementation, systemd-shim |
| 17:08.11 | phy1729 | jhutchins_wk: do you have a link to what is wrong with sysV? |
| 17:08.14 | verri | Humanoid: well, the project page lists those: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html |
| 17:08.17 | jordanm | Humanoid: it represents half of the committee in charge of making those technical decisions |
| 17:08.24 | unkmar | gnome shall die a horrible death |
| 17:08.24 | somiaj | !tell phy1729 why systemd |
| 17:08.31 | somiaj | !tell phy1729 about why systemd |
| 17:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | phy1729: No, but I'm sure you can find discussions. |
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| 17:09.30 | jordanm | if you really want to see a discussion on this, just go read the debian-devel archives. there is nothing you will say in this channel that hasn't already been said there and debated |
| 17:09.40 | unkmar | For the most part. The further from a windows 9x layout. The more difficult hte interface. Layered categories do NOT make things simple. |
| 17:09.50 | somiaj | phy1729: there is a good link in that factoid I sent. |
| 17:09.56 | phy1729 | ok |
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| 17:10.35 | somiaj | note it only talks about systemd as an init system, not all the other things (udev, dbus, policykit) that systemd is including |
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| 17:11.15 | phy1729 | will debian still be using a separate dhclient and ntpd or the one in systemd? |
| 17:11.52 | jordanm | the defaults AFAIK will not change from wheezy, but the systemd versions should still be available if you want to use them |
| 17:12.02 | jordanm | I believe they still lack integration with debian's ifupdown |
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| 17:15.44 | jhutchins_wk | ntpd in systemd? |
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| 17:16.20 | unkmar | GsmDBusClient: obj_path=/org/gnome/SessionManager interface=org.gnome.SessionManager method=IsInhibited |
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| 17:17.36 | Avic | how can i insttall this on debian with xfce4: |
| 17:17.39 | Avic | http://www.noobslab.com/2014/05/mediterranean-themes-updated-for-1404.html |
| 17:17.59 | Humanoid | verri: I looked through every one of the points on the pro-systemd page, but none of the important points from the boycott page was mentioned, except one, which confirmed the point rather than debunking it. |
| 17:18.33 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: systemd-timesyncd |
| 17:18.50 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: it's a client-only implementation, unlike ntpd which is client+server |
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| 17:19.37 | jordanm | !tell Avic about install xfce |
| 17:19.53 | idiotbox_ | Avic: try to install with source http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MediterraneanNight+Series?content=156782 |
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| 17:20.16 | Avic | i have xfce installed |
| 17:20.27 | jordanm | Avic: sorry, I understand the question now |
| 17:20.27 | Avic | i just need to add that theme |
| 17:20.37 | misterli | Hmm.. It looks like that ive "misconfiguered" postfix, dovecot and spamasssin. All spam seems to be deleted instead of tagged as "spam" or moved to a spamfolder. Where may i start checking for a misconfiguratied part? |
| 17:20.54 | jordanm | that's a gtk 3 theme, I am pretty sure xfce is still mostly gtk 2 |
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| 17:21.01 | jordanm | although it might support gtk 3 themes, idk |
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| 17:21.10 | idiotbox_ | Avic: All themes are at /usr/share/themes |
| 17:21.22 | Avic | ok |
| 17:21.36 | idiotbox_ | Avic: put that source inside this via root and give proper permissions. |
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| 17:23.53 | shay_shay | i'm having a problem where ark will silently corrupt files when extracting them but the command line unzip wont |
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| 17:27.54 | ruukasu | I'm trying to install debian and I got "no ethernet card was detected". how can I tell which driver I need, and even if I get the driver right, will it be able to detect it once installed? |
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| 17:28.47 | chrisc | ruukasu: try running with a live cd before installing? |
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| 17:29.56 | somiaj | ruukasu: most likey it is due to missing firmware (unless you have a really new ethernet/wifi card) |
| 17:30.35 | somiaj | ruukasu: if you are using the netinstall there is a fully functional base system, y ou can contiue on the install without the network, then copy over what you need to get the network up and continue the install from there, or there are unoffical installers that include this non-free firmware |
| 17:31.56 | ruukasu | somiaj: I'm using the three DVD method specifically because I know the ethernet doesn't work on debian |
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| 17:32.24 | ruukasu | I'd just like to get it sorted out while installing if possible |
| 17:33.02 | ruukasu | motherboard (which has my ethernet ports) says "Dual Intel i210 Gigabit LAN ports" |
| 17:33.12 | ruukasu | how can I determine which driver I need? |
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| 17:36.50 | jmcnaught | ruukasu: if you can run "lspci -nn | grep Network" on the system it will tell you the pci-id, which you can ask the judd but here about with "judd: pciid xxxx:yyyy" or look up on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 17:39.13 | ruukasu | judd: pciid 8086:1533 |
| 17:39.14 | judd | [8086:1533] is 'I210 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'igb', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1533 |
| 17:39.24 | ruukasu | neat, thanks |
| 17:40.53 | ruukasu | >with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'igb', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy |
| 17:41.12 | wols | that is obviously bogus. has been buggy like this forever |
| 17:41.29 | ruukasu | the only one of those in the "driver needed by your ethernet card" menu was igb, so I chose that one and it brought me back to the "driver needed by your ethernet card" menu |
| 17:41.54 | wols | you will basically need a backports kernel, then it will work |
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| 17:42.28 | Miesco | I am trying to set the mapleader in my vimrc to have ',' as the leader for my own maps: _exists("mapleader") && let prevmapleader = mapleader_, then at end of vimrc: _let mapleader = prevmapleader_ |
| 17:42.35 | ruukasu | wols: as in a kernel older than 3.2 or whatever stable uses? |
| 17:42.50 | wols | no, a kernel newer than 3.2 obviously |
| 17:42.56 | ruukasu | it works fine on arch which never has a kernel older than a week |
| 17:42.58 | ruukasu | 3.16 iirc |
| 17:43.23 | ruukasu | 3.17* |
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| 17:43.37 | wols | the driver is e1000e IIRC, btw. but you will need a backports kernel. just install your debian then get the new kernel. you can install without a network connection |
| 17:44.03 | ruukasu | is backports older or newer? |
| 17:44.18 | ruukasu | e1000e is for I210? |
| 17:44.19 | wols | !backports |
| 17:44.19 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:44.29 | kerneloopz | neat |
| 17:44.43 | ruukasu | I'm planning on upgrading to testint anyway, will that make backports unnecessary? |
| 17:44.45 | ruukasu | testing* |
| 17:44.48 | wols | yes |
| 17:44.58 | ruukasu | ok, I'll just do that. thanks |
| 17:45.11 | wols | to be able to upgrade you will need to dist-upgrade, but that only works if you have a network connection... |
| 17:45.22 | ruukasu | ah, right. |
| 17:45.29 | wols | so no matter what, you will need a newer kernel, preferably a backported one |
| 17:45.36 | Miesco | wait mischan |
| 17:45.42 | ruukasu | doesn't jessie have a netinst? |
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| 17:46.00 | wols | it does, it usually doesn't work. |
| 17:46.03 | wols | !testing-installer |
| 17:46.09 | wols | !testing installer |
| 17:46.09 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:46.31 | ruukasu | ;_; |
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| 17:47.18 | ruukasu | how would I do the backport kernel without networking? |
| 17:47.57 | wols | you download the .deb and install it via dpkg -i |
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| 18:09.12 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:10.20 | DexterF | the MusicPD server mpd won't work after each reboot of the server as mpd cannot write its PID file to /var/run/mpd. each time I reboot the dir belings to mpd, but should belong to another user. |
| 18:10.39 | DexterF | question: who sets the owner back to mpd at boot time? |
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| 18:20.47 | ompaul | not who - how |
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| 18:21.38 | ompaul | DexterF: mpd audio are the permissions on my machine |
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| 18:21.44 | ompaul | for the pid file |
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| 18:22.51 | jpleau | DexterF: are you using systemd? |
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| 18:24.02 | jpleau | If so, have a look at /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/mpd.conf , that is how the permissions are set on /run/mpd (which /var/run/mpd symlinks to) |
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| 18:27.07 | DexterF | jpleau: not to my knowledge |
| 18:27.15 | DexterF | how can I tell? |
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| 18:28.58 | jpleau | DexterF: cat /proc/1/comm will return systemd if you are |
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| 18:31.42 | Bierdieb | may someone pls help again to get usb device respond to adb? earlier today it worked, but now adb doesnt correspond to the device |
| 18:32.07 | Bierdieb | i have no clue where to watch and what to check |
| 18:32.40 | otyugh | hum |
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| 18:32.59 | Bierdieb | i can see the device on lsusb and made a udev rule, restarted the service, but adb does not notice the device |
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| 18:33.24 | Bierdieb | i also restarted the adb server already |
| 18:34.14 | otyugh | Impossible to satisfy : « Build-Depends: gcc ( 4:4.8) ». And "gcc -v" output mentions gcc version 4.6.3. How can I install older gcc ? |
| 18:34.16 | SynrG | Bierdieb: probably didn't put your device back into USB debugging |
| 18:34.53 | SynrG | Bierdieb: depending on what you're trying to do, you may have to do this more than once. first time to start the firmware upgrade. second time after the factory wipe. |
| 18:35.08 | Bierdieb | SynrG the device shows active usb debugging mode, and charging only |
| 18:35.14 | SynrG | humm |
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| 18:36.11 | SynrG | dunno. probably xda forums are a better place to go for this kind of help |
| 18:36.22 | Bierdieb | funny thing is, it already worked today. i did nothing system relevant since, just downloaded another set of files |
| 18:37.08 | SynrG | unless you can find some issue in the system's logs ... probably not a debian problem. |
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| 18:37.40 | Bierdieb | there the problems already start, because iam a newbie, a real noob^^ |
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| 18:38.23 | SynrG | dmesg | grep usb | nopaste |
| 18:38.26 | SynrG | !nopaste |
| 18:38.27 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 18:41.02 | Bierdieb | oh. grep usb does not respond too |
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| 18:41.41 | ampleyfly | SynrG: oh, that's handy |
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| 18:42.10 | SynrG | Bierdieb: no usb messages in dmesg? have you plugged or unplugged the device recently? |
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| 18:42.55 | SynrG | each time you do that, there should be something |
| 18:44.30 | Bierdieb | the terminal seems to hang up on grep usb |
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| 18:44.49 | theotherstupidgu | hi |
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| 18:45.10 | Bierdieb | dmesg shows a very lot information corresponding to the device. looks unusual |
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| 18:45.36 | ampleyfly | Bierdieb: did you pipe the dmesg output to grep, or just run grep on its own? |
| 18:45.50 | Bierdieb | not 5 mins before and after the command |
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| 18:46.15 | Bierdieb | didnt pipe anything (dunno howto) |
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| 18:47.02 | ampleyfly | if you type "dmesg | grep usb", the output from dmesg will be piped to grep, which will search for "usb" in it |
| 18:47.29 | ampleyfly | if you just do "grep usb", grep will search in whatever you type next, which is why it "hangs" |
| 18:48.38 | Bierdieb | [11881.656032] usb 1-7: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd |
| 18:48.39 | Bierdieb | [11881.801181] usb 1-7: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0c91 |
| 18:48.39 | Bierdieb | [11881.801189] usb 1-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 |
| 18:48.39 | Bierdieb | [11881.801193] usb 1-7: Product: Android Phone |
| 18:48.39 | Bierdieb | [11881.801197] usb 1-7: Manufacturer: HTC |
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| 18:50.25 | femichel | hi, I have this error "grub error symbol grub_ term highlight color" |
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| 18:52.51 | Bierdieb | soory |
| 18:53.03 | Bierdieb | too much txt i guess |
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| 18:56.04 | ampleyfly | Bierdieb: that's why SynrG did "dmesg | grep usb | nopaste", where the second pipe sends the output to a website which you can then link here |
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| 18:57.00 | Bierdieb | dmesg | grep usb | nopaste |
| 18:57.15 | Bierdieb | bash: nopaste: command not found |
| 18:57.26 | SynrG | that's why i gave the factoid to install it: |
| 18:57.27 | SynrG | !nopaste |
| 18:57.28 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 19:00.23 | otyugh | hey. i'm still blocked by something weird : my gcc version is 4.6.3 and bash is telling me that I have NOT dpkg-checkbuilddeps : dépendances de construction non trouvées : gcc (>= 4:4.8). Someone have any clue about that mystery ? |
| 19:00.53 | theotherstupidgu | how can i convert a text file into a pdf under debian? |
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| 19:01.35 | Bierdieb | http://pastie.org/9677230 |
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| 19:02.30 | cybrNaut | how can I list all man page sections? |
| 19:04.07 | babilen | cybrNaut: man man |
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| 19:04.59 | cybrNaut | babilen: i started there |
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| 19:05.19 | cybrNaut | -s needs an option.. but no mention of how to get a list of sections to supply it |
| 19:05.23 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ adb get-devpath |
| 19:05.37 | SynrG | Bierdieb: 5 disconnects. are you disconnecting it that often, or is the cable not solidly connected? |
| 19:05.44 | SynrG | Bierdieb: you might try a different port |
| 19:05.48 | SynrG | or a different cable |
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| 19:06.48 | Bierdieb | * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * cannot bind 'local:5037' ADB server didn't ACK |
| 19:06.54 | babilen | Bierdieb: Please edit /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules and the instructions on http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html -- You would, for a Nexus, end up with something like "SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev"" -- adjust as applicable for your phone and add your user to the plugdev group. I am surprised that #android didn't mention that |
| 19:07.08 | babilen | (well, don't edit the instructions but follow them_ |
| 19:07.09 | babilen | ) |
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| 19:07.24 | Bierdieb | okay..... ill try it |
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| 19:08.19 | babilen | I take it that you have not yet been given that link and that you haven't found it yourself? If your user is not yet a member of the plugdev group you'd have to relogin too. |
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| 19:10.53 | babilen | Bierdieb: "adduser Bierdieb plugdev" would be the command to use (assuming that is your nickname you horrible thief!) ;) |
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| 19:12.25 | cybrNaut | babilen: apparently the answer is a bit ugly => ls -1 /usr/share/man/man?/* |sed -e's/.*\.\(.*\)\..*/\1/' |sort -u |
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| 19:16.26 | babilen | cybrNaut: I prefer a readable list and explanation of the content. There is a nice table in Nemeth's Unix and Linux System Administration IIRC |
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| 19:17.23 | exhibitor | Why the 'IP' option is undocumented in initramfs.conf man ? |
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| 19:17.49 | exhibitor | I can't meet any documentation for it |
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| 19:19.17 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ sudo adb get-state unknown |
| 19:19.17 | Bierdieb | damn it. And Yes, thats my horrible trouth name^^ |
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| 19:21.09 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ adb get-state * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * cannot bind 'local:5037' ADB server didn't ACK |
| 19:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, the manpage on man lists them, as babilen said, they go from 1 to 9. You seem to look for something different |
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| 19:23.40 | salil | I have a Debian installation in one of my partitions, but since I've reinstalled Windows, I need to recreate a grub menu entry (I just installed Grub2Win, which allows me to have a grub.cfg in my Windows partition). What commands should I add for a Debian menu entry in grub? It looks like root (hd0, XX) doesn't work anymore with Grub. |
| 19:24.43 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: I just installed the tcl-doc package. It comes with the section named "3tcl". So it was a bit ad-hoc for me to discover that I had to do "man 3tcl string" to get the tcl man page on strings |
| 19:25.03 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: so in that case, the section was not merely a digit |
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| 19:26.32 | cybrNaut | it would be useful if I could type "man --show-sections" or something, so I know which sections are available |
| 19:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, and "man 3 strings" did not work? |
| 19:26.53 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: "No manual entry for strings in section 3" |
| 19:27.57 | exhibitor | salil, there are no debian experts right now, ask later |
| 19:28.26 | cybrNaut | and "man string" gives C code docs.. so the "3tcl" section was important |
| 19:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, tcl-doc doesn't contain any manpages in wheezy |
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| 19:29.17 | heurist` | dpkg: tell salil -about fixmbr |
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| 19:29.51 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe the manpages were already installed then. I was told the tcl-doc package was needed, so I installed it, and then grappled with man pages after |
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| 19:30.27 | cybrNaut | but i think i had much fewer man pages before installing tcl-doc |
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| 19:30.44 | cybrNaut | (i did a "man -k tcl" before and after) |
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| 19:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it's the recommended (by tcl-doc) package tcl8.5-doc that has them |
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| 19:33.38 | salil | heurist`: Not looking to fix my MBR. I want to keep booting bootmgr(Windows), but add a menu entry to Grub2Win for Debian. |
| 19:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, I kind of see what you mean... man 3 string returns the page for the C function |
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| 19:34.40 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed.. that package was part of the installation of tcl-doc: "The following NEW packages will be installed: tcl-doc tcl8.5-doc{a}" |
| 19:35.30 | cybrNaut | i just wanted to get competent with "man".. had to dig to learn about sections, and which ones exist |
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| 19:36.08 | heurist` | salil: Grub2Win is not part of debian, so you are unlikely to get help on that here, have you looked at its documentation? |
| 19:36.09 | cybrNaut | "man man" uses the term "section" in different ways, which doesn't help |
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| 19:36.28 | cybrNaut | e.g. sections contain man pages, then each man page contains sections |
| 19:36.47 | ziikutv | Hi guys, I am wondering.. how are OpenElec / RaspBMC created? |
| 19:36.53 | salil | heurist`: I don't think it's any different from native Grub. I guess I'll try to "cat" the grub.conf out of my linux partition from within Grub and see if I can find the menu entry there. |
| 19:36.55 | heurist` | salil: maybe #grub can help you. |
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| 19:37.10 | salil | heurist`: Thanks |
| 19:37.13 | ziikutv | I am trying to do something similar, when a raspberry PI boots up, my app opens directly.. there isnt a desktop, there isnt anything else... |
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| 19:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, man -aw string # would show you what sections exist |
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| 19:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, also, some versions of man will ask you which section to show if more than one is available (apparently to the annoyance of some, who want to just get the first page, as is apparently what posix demands) |
| 19:41.41 | exhibitor | is there an option as 'IP' to configure IPv6 with initramfs ? |
| 19:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions man-db |
| 19:42.12 | judd | Package: man-db on i386 -- squeeze: 2.5.7-8; wheezy: 2.6.2-1; sid: 2.7.0.2-2; jessie: 2.7.0.2-2 |
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| 19:42.52 | Bierdieb | ive put this in 51-andrid.rules: |
| 19:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cybrNaut, at least I know that behavior from suses man version 2.6.3 |
| 19:42.56 | Bierdieb | (gedit:16575): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to store changes into `/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Failed to create file '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.BXHXNX': No such file or directory |
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| 19:43.04 | Bierdieb | part of my problem? |
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| 19:43.43 | Bierdieb | bierdieb@Dellbian:~$ adb devices * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * cannot bind 'local:5037' ADB server didn't ACK * failed to start daemon * error: cannot connect to daemon |
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| 19:44.22 | nezZario | OK, I'm having a pretty crappy issue here. I took a disk out of one piece of hardware and threw it in a box with a slightly better processor and much more memory, and also it has a better GPU on it -- but now it's randomly "crashing" |
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| 19:45.12 | nezZario | I really don't know what it's doing. If I leave it alone for a few hours, I've been coming back and the monitor is off.. fans are spinning, but won't do anything until I do a hard reset |
| 19:45.31 | cybrNaut | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks.. man -aw is indeed useful if I know what the leaf-node document will be named |
| 19:46.21 | nezZario | My wifi net uses this machine for a gateway, and they don't have internet connection, so whatever is happening it's stopping the machine enough that it's not evn doing routing |
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| 19:49.28 | heurist` | nezZario: sounds like a hardware issue, put the drive back in the old hardware and see it the crashing stops. |
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| 19:51.12 | nezZario | heurist`: yeah, I can't find anything weird in /var/log/messages -- I'm just trying to find where I might find a log of what's going on? |
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| 19:58.36 | DexterF | jpleau: init, no systemd |
| 19:58.54 | DexterF | need to be afk, RL wants me to do thingd |
| 19:58.56 | DexterF | s |
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| 20:04.29 | TaZeR | tell me what you guys think of the new slogan for debian because the current one is a bit dated |
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| 20:04.33 | TaZeR | "Debian she's the man" |
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| 20:08.08 | TaZeR | why doesnt Debian advertise on tv? we could get Amanda Bynes |
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| 20:11.08 | jasonwc | I'm having difficulty getting clients to connect via NFS. I used ZFS to create the share, but my OS X client says I lack permission to access the server. However, I set 777 permissions for the shared directory |
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| 20:12.37 | jradd | can you paste your `/etc/exports` here ? |
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| 20:13.24 | jasonwc | it should be using the exports from nfs but i also added a simple export myself |
| 20:13.40 | jasonwc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.01 | jradd | what group is set on the host export dir? |
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| 20:18.05 | jradd | and also post your /etc/{hosts,hosts.allow,hosts.deny{ |
| 20:18.20 | jasonwc | you mean the shared dir - /data? jason:jason with 777 access |
| 20:18.37 | jasonwc | btw, samba works as does a number of other services so i don't think this is a firewall issue, although i can disable iptables to be sure |
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| 20:19.57 | jradd | yeah, i agree |
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| 20:20.53 | jradd | try setting the dir group to `nobody` |
| 20:20.58 | jradd | user nobody and group nobody |
| 20:21.34 | jasonwc | recursively? That folder has 18.4T of data |
| 20:22.13 | jasonwc | ok, i did chown nobody:nogroup /data |
| 20:22.29 | jradd | you should not necessarily have to do that. they need to be the same though |
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| 20:22.39 | jradd | on both host/client i believe |
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| 20:23.40 | jasonwc | jradd, just to make sure i'm doing this right, on OS X i'm connecting to nfs://ip/data |
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| 20:23.56 | jasonwc | per http://support.apple.com/kb/ta22243 |
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| 20:24.52 | jradd | ooh, osx could add some complications to this. but you have good luck with smb, so perhaps not |
| 20:25.01 | unknowngov | help |
| 20:25.10 | unknowngov | i need to create a pgp key |
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| 20:25.23 | unknowngov | anyone with some time?? |
| 20:26.20 | jradd | shouldn't you be connecting to nfs://data ? |
| 20:26.24 | jasonwc | jradd, it's not working with the windows client either |
| 20:26.44 | jradd | ahh |
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| 20:27.06 | jradd | i meant nfs://host/data |
| 20:27.09 | jradd | oh oops |
| 20:27.15 | jradd | that is what you meant by 'ip' |
| 20:27.17 | jradd | lol |
| 20:27.27 | jasonwc | :_ |
| 20:27.29 | jasonwc | :) |
| 20:27.34 | jasonwc | nfs://192.168.1.200/data |
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| 20:28.56 | jasonwc | if i do nfs://192.168.1.200 or nfs://192.168.1.200/export/data, it says i don't have permission to access the server |
| 20:29.08 | jasonwc | if i do nfs://192.168.1.200/data, it says it can't connect; go figure |
| 20:30.43 | jradd | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889 |
| 20:30.49 | jradd | that is a simple guide taht I would be sure to follow |
| 20:30.52 | jradd | or something similar |
| 20:31.07 | jradd | i am sure it is server side issue |
| 20:31.36 | jasonwc | will do |
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| 20:31.56 | jasonwc | one other question - does samba 4.1 (the version in backports) automatically use SMB 2.0? |
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| 20:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | unknowngov, the custom is that you you do things yourself and ask very concrete questions about what causes you problems if/when you hit any. We don't do general hand-holding... but we'll think very friendly and supportive thoughts if you feel that helps you :) |
| 20:32.43 | unknowngov | what's the best debian distro? |
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| 20:32.53 | jasonwc | debian? |
| 20:32.56 | jasonwc | :-D |
| 20:32.58 | jradd | jasonwc: i believe so |
| 20:33.06 | unknowngov | i am using cruchbag |
| 20:33.22 | unknowngov | i delete windows to use linux |
| 20:33.26 | comradekingu | crunchbang is good |
| 20:33.37 | jasonwc | jradd, i'm just trying to maximize my gigabit line. I'm getting about 80 MB/sec and the ZFS pool can do 1.2 GB/sec so hitting 110+ shouldn't be an issue with NFS |
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| 20:34.00 | jradd | unknowngov: depends on your use case. Jessie is the latest, but wheezy is the most supported |
| 20:34.00 | unknowngov | yes it's my first install of linux...there are a lot |
| 20:34.05 | rryoumaa | the checkboxes in html gmail are too small. is this somethign that can be fixed at the os level? |
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| 20:34.06 | jasonwc | jradd, in fact, a guy with a similar ZFS pool bonded 4 gigabit ports and was getting 450 MB/sec. I'm trying to get NFS to work for performance. |
| 20:34.11 | generatoo | im using debian from scratch with i3, iceweasel, pcmanfm,vlc and kate |
| 20:34.13 | generatoo | thats it |
| 20:34.41 | unknowngov | i am install kali linux but something went wrong jaja |
| 20:34.50 | unknowngov | and i uninstalled it |
| 20:35.02 | towo` | hrer is febian |
| 20:35.03 | jradd | what went wrong |
| 20:35.04 | towo` | grr |
| 20:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | unknowngov, also, if you use crunchbang, ask #crunchbang about stuff, not us... debian derivatives are not debian |
| 20:35.17 | unknowngov | i can confugure the partition |
| 20:35.27 | towo` | here is #debian, not #kali |
| 20:36.19 | jradd | jasonwc: that is cool, i would like to do that as well! |
| 20:36.36 | unknowngov | cant |
| 20:36.36 | unknowngov | and i deleted windows |
| 20:36.36 | unknowngov | and all |
| 20:36.47 | jradd | and now you cannot boot? |
| 20:37.11 | jasonwc | jradd, it's not hard or expensive. If you want to connect two serves, you just need 2 quad port Intel NICs, each of which will cost $80-100. Then follow these instructions - http://louwrentius.com/achieving-450-mbs-network-file-transfers-using-linux-bonding.html |
| 20:37.31 | jasonwc | jradd, If you want to connect more than 2 machines, you can get a nice 24 port managed HP switch for around $200 to do the job |
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| 20:37.34 | jradd | i suggest keeping windows and loading linux into a virtualmachine with VirtualBox or something. And if you need kali for seacurity tools, i would boot to a live cd/usb anyways |
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| 20:37.51 | jasonwc | Yeah, before installing ZFS, I tested breaking things in a VM |
| 20:37.58 | jasonwc | that way, when i did the real install, i knew what i was doing |
| 20:38.41 | jradd | for sure |
| 20:38.52 | generatoo | thats the right way |
| 20:38.54 | jasonwc | especially when my data is at stake |
| 20:39.17 | jasonwc | i ended up doing 10 simultaneous rsync imports to the ZFS pool maintaining 300-400 MB/sec from 10 individual drives. Gotta lova ZFS's RAM caching |
| 20:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... I cannot see how this went from "I want to make a pgp key" to "I deleted any operating system I had from my computer"... |
| 20:39.30 | jasonwc | 1.2 GB/sec reads and writes |
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| 20:39.38 | jasonwc | lol |
| 20:39.50 | jradd | nice! |
| 20:40.46 | jasonwc | #zfsonlinux is pretty active if you want to know more. There is a repo for debian that is well maintained. It's very easy to install/setup. |
| 20:41.15 | jasonwc | also, great documentation thanks to sun/oracle |
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| 20:41.40 | jradd | I support OneFS for a living; that is FreeBSD distributed storage on ZFS |
| 20:41.40 | jradd | so awesome |
| 20:42.13 | jradd | still new to it and ZFS though |
| 20:42.19 | jasonwc | cool, well ZoL is already quite stable. Lots of people have been moving to Linux for the improved hardware support and ability to run more applications |
| 20:42.24 | jasonwc | ZFS is pretty amazing |
| 20:43.01 | jasonwc | the fact that it checksums every single block of data and can correct virtually any error (bad cables, DMA errors, misaligned head, controller failure, disk issues) is impressive |
| 20:43.10 | jasonwc | pretty much the only thing it can't deal with is bad RAM and that's to be expected |
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| 20:43.31 | jasonwc | Sun claims to have done 20 million forced shutdowns of ZFS without ever losing a bit of data |
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| 20:44.49 | jradd | yikes, i cannot imagine that. |
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| 20:45.09 | jradd | but i am sure that could be accomplished |
| 20:45.47 | jasonwc | it's copy on write and data is written with parity atomically, so data on disk is always consistent. That's why there's no fsck |
| 20:46.06 | jradd | ZFS can storge its journal while power is cut though. if you do that it could save your life i bet |
| 20:46.39 | jradd | using NVRAM |
| 20:46.44 | jasonwc | the worst case with a loss of power is that you lose anything about to be written to disk |
| 20:46.57 | jasonwc | there's no RAID-5 write hole where data is inconsistent on disk and you dont' know that data is good and what isn't |
| 20:47.11 | jasonwc | which is about 5-30 seconds worth |
| 20:47.28 | jradd | i used XFS for some major storage array on my server, and lost power once. the journal corrupted and I lost several TB of photos |
| 20:48.05 | generatoo | any good suggestions for console torrent programs? |
| 20:48.12 | jradd | screen |
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| 20:48.49 | jradd | oh torrent |
| 20:48.51 | jradd | nm |
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| 20:50.50 | jolt | generatoo: rtorrent, deluge might have some shell stuff as well, I run it via web from another system |
| 20:51.30 | jasonwc | jradd, yeah, that basically can't happen with ZFS |
| 20:51.33 | jasonwc | it was one of the design goals |
| 20:51.57 | generatoo | jolt: nice will check it, will give deluge a try as well |
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| 20:53.02 | rryoumaa | jasonwc: what about ext4? |
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| 20:53.53 | rryoumaa | i have ext4 on a drive that gets powered down every time i turn off the monitor and i then do fsck and it seems ok |
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| 20:54.11 | jasonwc | rryoumaa, I know it doesn't have the proections that ZFS does but I haven't read much about it's ability to deal with FS corruption |
| 20:54.25 | jradd | he means hard boots (CUT the power, not poweroff) |
| 20:54.36 | exhibitor | i've added an ipv6 address with `ip -6 addr add 2002:xx:xx::1/64 dev eth0`, now how to add a default gateway for it? |
| 20:55.26 | jradd | EXT4 is very good solid choice if you don't know, or dont want to know much about FS performance/integrity. |
| 20:55.27 | rryoumaa | istm that a good fs should only lose any data that 3was about to be written, but what do i know? |
| 20:55.51 | jradd | yes that is right |
| 20:55.52 | rryoumaa | and sync should be every 5s or something anyway, so no data should be lost |
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| 20:57.13 | rryoumaa | i heard linus said though that it was backward wrt journal vs. data or something but don't know about it |
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| 20:57.41 | generatoo | linus doesnt use debian |
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| 20:58.02 | generatoo | he has nothing to say ;) *hah* joke |
| 20:58.08 | tytan | generatoo: is it a problem? |
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| 20:58.17 | tytan | generatoo: :P |
| 20:58.22 | generatoo | tytan: ^^ |
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| 20:59.18 | tytan | Do you know where to get "youtube-dl" for debian? |
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| 21:00.05 | exhibitor | debian experts are offline right now |
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| 21:01.02 | tytan | exhibitor: Are there actual experts for debian in here? :D |
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| 21:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, versions youtube-dl |
| 21:01.08 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions youtube-dl |
| 21:01.17 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2014.08.05-1 |
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| 21:01.39 | exhibitor | tytan, nope |
| 21:01.51 | tytan | judd: So it is in backports? |
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| 21:02.21 | jasonwc | lol, why would using dd to read a file to /dev/null be slower than reading a file and writing it out to my SSD... |
| 21:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | tytan, no, it's in jessie and in sid |
| 21:02.27 | jasonwc | isnt' /dev/null basically sending it to nowhere? |
| 21:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tytan, what version of debian are you using |
| 21:02.45 | jmcnaught | tytan: judd is a bot. it looks like it's in backports for squeeze, but not available for wheezy. you might be able to backport it yourself though if it's really important and you can't find an alternative |
| 21:03.23 | tytan | CutMeOwnThroat: Debian 7.7 |
| 21:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder about that... I have it on wheezy, but cannot remember backporting it... |
| 21:03.30 | tytan | jmcnaught: ok ^^ |
| 21:03.44 | jmcnaught | dpkg: ssb |
| 21:03.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps backporting was just a thing of 5 minutes and hence I don't remember |
| 21:04.10 | jmcnaught | tytan: ^^^^ these are the basic instructions on how to backport something |
| 21:04.39 | tytan | jmcnaught: I know how to backport. But sid is new to me |
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| 21:07.57 | CygniX | is the latest upgrade debian 7.7 safe? I read that there was some issue with the kernel |
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| 21:08.58 | dondelelcaro | CygniX: I haven't heard of anything specific, but the BTS has all of the bugs if you're concerned |
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| 21:10.00 | CygniX | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
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| 21:10.07 | jasonwc | jradd, I followed that NFS guide - no dice |
| 21:10.11 | jasonwc | i have no idea what's wrong |
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| 21:10.31 | marioxcc | hello |
| 21:10.36 | jasonwc | SMB share worked out of the box with zfs set sharesmb=on |
| 21:10.40 | tytan | CygniX: works well for me ^^ |
| 21:10.47 | marioxcc | Where can I see what are the keyboard layouts available for preseeding? |
| 21:10.48 | jasonwc | I also have access to Plex, rtorrent/ruTorrent etc. |
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| 21:13.35 | CygniX | dondelelcaro, tytan this is what i was referring to https://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2014/10/msg00000.html |
| 21:14.41 | jasonwc | shouldn't this measure sequential read performance - dd if=somefile of=/dev/null |
| 21:14.47 | generatoo | how can I see where apt-get installs packages to which directory? |
| 21:14.56 | jasonwc | somehow I see LOWER speeds writing to /dev/null than to an actual disk - something is off |
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| 21:15.33 | jmcnaught | generatoo: "dpkg -L <package name>" will show a list of the files from that package |
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| 21:15.42 | CygniX | and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766195 |
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| 21:16.01 | generatoo | jmcnaught: thank you |
| 21:16.25 | jmcnaught | generatoo: that's if the package is already installed. you can also use "apt-file" |
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| 21:17.01 | marioxcc | Hi, Where can I see what are the keyboard layouts available for preseeding? |
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| 21:19.10 | jmcnaught | generatoo: it's better if you keep questions in the channel so everyone can help, and in case i tell you something wrong that needs to be corrected :) |
| 21:19.33 | generatoo | while getting nice answers, maybe you could tell me how to deselect packages while installing a package. for example i dont need the package modem-manager from network-manager-gnome. |
| 21:19.42 | generatoo | yeah (: |
| 21:20.38 | jasonwc | i figured out what i was doing wrong |
| 21:20.49 | jasonwc | the correct command is dd if=somefile of=/dev/null bs=1M |
| 21:21.05 | jmcnaught | generatoo: if you want to use network-manager you need to have the packages it depends on installed. is it doing any harm by being there? |
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| 21:22.09 | marioxcc | what's the proper way to use grub-config? |
| 21:22.12 | generatoo | no its fine, but just wanted to know if its possible. (: Ive used gentoo and slackware before,that could be the reason of this way of thinking ^ |
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| 21:22.24 | marioxcc | if I don't modify the boot files, it does nothing |
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| 21:24.22 | nezZario | anybody know why xwd would be showing big black squares around certain apps? |
| 21:24.26 | nezZario | can't get a clean screenshot... |
| 21:24.55 | generatoo | jmcnaught: its fine that the debian package manager makes it a lot easier for the users to manage dependencies, btw: thanks for your help ;) |
| 21:24.58 | jmcnaught | generatoo: "apt-cache" and "aptitude" both have useful commands for investigating package dependencies, "apt-cache rdepends modemmanager" shows reverse dependencies for example, "aptitude why <package>" is pretty handy too |
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| 21:35.57 | generatoo | jmcnaught: maybe i should take some time and read through the manpages. these are great commands for getting information, you would still recommend not to deselect or remove the dep. packages huh? |
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| 21:37.22 | jmcnaught | generatoo: reading the man pages is always a good idea :) if you remove the modemmanager package, it will probably want to take network-manager and gnome packages with it. "apt-get" has a "--simulate" option you can use to see what would happen without making any changes (doesn't require root) |
| 21:38.04 | phix | generatoo: -O install-recommends=no or -O install-suggests=no or was it --install-recommends=no, man page it! |
| 21:38.26 | phix | install-suggests is default off for Debian (but on for Ubuntu) |
| 21:38.44 | phix | install-recommends is on for debian |
| 21:39.10 | generatoo | recommends isnt always a must-be for that package to work correctly? |
| 21:39.22 | phix | nope |
| 21:39.33 | phix | recommends means you should have it but you dont have to |
| 21:39.48 | phix | suggests means you dont have to and is completely optional |
| 21:40.44 | phix | Turning off recommends and suggests will only install bare minimum dependencies for the application to install |
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| 21:41.08 | generatoo | thats nice, maybe i will configure this in the apt conf file |
| 21:41.10 | phix | It should also be the bare minimum dependencies for it to operate correctly too :) |
| 21:41.41 | phix | yup, it is in the apt::something::namespace::install-recommends |
| 21:41.58 | phix | refer to perl docs for more info |
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| 21:43.58 | blast_hardcheese | So, I've got 5 disks in my fileserver, one of them died recently |
| 21:44.14 | blast_hardcheese | I have no idea which physical disk it is, only that it's /dev/sdd |
| 21:45.02 | blast_hardcheese | Any suggestions for how to determine which disk it is without turning the machine off and on again and again? the root FS is on the RAID that used to include that disk |
| 21:45.09 | shay_shay | hello |
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| 21:45.19 | generatoo | phix: thanks man |
| 21:45.48 | blast_hardcheese | I'm wondering about maybe something that makes the disk head seek to the beginning and end of the disk repeatedly as to make a lot of noise or vibration |
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| 21:46.22 | shay_shay | i have a situation where i need to use different versions of java for different applications... is it update-alternatives i should be using? |
| 21:46.50 | shay_shay | say i want to keep java 7 as the default and use java 8 on the fly |
| 21:47.10 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: iirc JAVA_HOME defines the root that the JVM looks for its environment in |
| 21:47.54 | blast_hardcheese | Instead of switching the system JVM back and forth, why not just specify the correct JAVA_HOME for each project, altering your PATH to point to the correct JVM bin? |
| 21:48.13 | marioxcc | blast_hardcheese: I don't know if the manufacturer assings the UUID |
| 21:48.23 | marioxcc | but if it does, then it would suffice that you do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 21:48.44 | marioxcc | and then check your HD labels for UUID |
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| 21:48.52 | marioxcc | but I don't remember if it's assinged from factory or not |
| 21:49.30 | blast_hardcheese | marioxcc: ST3000DM001-9YN166_W1F0XGGY looks like what I want, thanks! |
| 21:49.37 | shay_shay | :q! |
| 21:49.41 | shay_shay | oops thats not vim |
| 21:50.14 | marioxcc | blast_hardcheese: you're welcome |
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| 21:57.03 | tytan | where can I get simple but cool conky scripts? |
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| 21:59.07 | okee | Can kik be installed on Debian? |
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| 22:01.54 | jhutchins_wk | okee: If it's linux compatible, probably. |
| 22:02.00 | jhutchins_wk | okee: Doesn't mean it's in the repos. |
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| 22:04.37 | Avic | i'm having problems with xfce, the next not demanding is mate? |
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| 22:04.47 | Avic | rignt? |
| 22:05.44 | dvs | lxde |
| 22:05.56 | Avic | and openbox? |
| 22:06.04 | dvs | never used it |
| 22:06.24 | Avic | lxde, ok let see |
| 22:06.46 | blast_hardcheese | Avic: "problems with xfce"? |
| 22:06.56 | Avic | yes |
| 22:07.13 | Avic | cant logout, and the panels gont save |
| 22:07.22 | Avic | dont* |
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| 22:07.40 | Avic | de panels disappear every time i restart server |
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| 22:08.17 | Avic | i just need something basic fast that works |
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| 22:08.43 | Avic | with the possibility to choose a dark theme |
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| 22:10.18 | Avic | that are not so many people in lxde, then if i need help... |
| 22:10.27 | Avic | its not very popular... |
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| 22:10.39 | Avic | but if ist good... |
| 22:10.44 | Avic | its |
| 22:10.55 | okee | jhutchins_w> I didn't see it in the repos, but the homepage said Linux. |
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| 22:14.37 | knosys | Guys im trying to mount a cifs volume, but im getting error: cannot mount block device, read-only ? |
| 22:15.11 | Avic | noone answers in the channel #lxde |
| 22:15.16 | knosys | i configured samba server in debian, smb.conf file, added there some standard configuration, there i can see its writeable |
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| 22:15.21 | marioxcc | knosys: I'm not knowledgeable, but that makes me thing that the block device is read only |
| 22:15.26 | marioxcc | knosys: did you try with ls -l? |
| 22:15.36 | Avic | the wiki in their page doesn't show the guide for install yet |
| 22:15.46 | JNixx | knosys: Where are you trying to mount it? Maybe you don't have write permission to the mount point? |
| 22:15.52 | jcplouf | is there something like a headless browser that would run on a server with a frontend you could access remotely? |
| 22:16.01 | knosys | Ohhh!! |
| 22:16.25 | jcplouf | not like a proxy but a real browser on a non-gui based server that you could control remotely (from another browser for example) |
| 22:16.27 | knosys | JNixx: i though than if i execute mount with "sudo" it mount it anyway |
| 22:16.37 | jcplouf | something over phantomjs maybe? |
| 22:16.45 | knosys | I though that* |
| 22:17.41 | knosys | mount: block device //192.168.1.5/www is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 22:17.43 | JNixx | knosys: have you installed cifs-utils? |
| 22:17.44 | knosys | mount: cannot mount block device //192.168.1.5/www read-only |
| 22:18.20 | knosys | no, installing now ! :S thanks you |
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| 22:19.02 | knosys | ok now i have something :) |
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| 22:19.31 | knosys | a question please, what would be the password? if its not configured in smb.conf |
| 22:19.46 | knosys | the user, must exist in the host machine OS right? |
| 22:20.01 | knosys | so the password, must be that OS user's password? |
| 22:20.08 | JNixx | knosys: You authenticate with a user that's on the machine with the share you want to mount |
| 22:20.32 | JNixx | knosys: That has permissions to view the share |
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| 22:21.10 | knosys | JNixx: please lets refer like server-client, its much more clear and im not very good at english |
| 22:21.43 | knosys | so, i created user on Server machine. The share directory its inside his home folder. So that user must have access to it |
| 22:22.07 | JNixx | knosys: Ok, then you authenticate with that user from the client |
| 22:22.24 | knosys | with same password that user have on the host machine OS , right? |
| 22:22.28 | knosys | server machine* |
| 22:22.31 | JNixx | yea |
| 22:22.39 | knosys | ok i understand now |
| 22:22.42 | knosys | thanks man |
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| 22:22.50 | JNixx | no problem |
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| 22:24.16 | JNixx | knosys: mount -t cifs //192.168.101.100/myshare /mnt/cifs_share -o username=myuser,password=mypassword ---> Username and Password of user on Server |
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| 22:25.46 | knosys | and in the client machine i need write permissions on /mnt/www too? |
| 22:26.10 | knosys | with the user im running the mount command? |
| 22:26.10 | JNixx | on client, the user mounting the share needs read/write access to the mount folder |
| 22:26.19 | knosys | oki, thanks you |
| 22:26.20 | JNixx | yes |
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| 22:26.51 | knosys | that was the problem i think |
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| 22:27.00 | knosys | the best way, its to chown , right? |
| 22:27.22 | knosys | own that folder, so i dont need to spread permissions to everyone around |
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| 22:30.40 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese: ok thanks. your suggestion helped me find this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61331/update-alternatives-just-for-one-user |
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| 22:31.36 | mrdeb | hi all |
| 22:31.51 | mrdeb | is it true that iceweasel gets updates every 7 versions |
| 22:32.15 | mrdeb | 17, 24, 31 |
| 22:32.16 | cinch | no |
| 22:32.24 | mrdeb | last 3 yes |
| 22:32.44 | mrdeb | also y is every browser tryign to be operating system now |
| 22:32.51 | cinch | maybe it's related to ESR? i don know |
| 22:32.53 | mrdeb | i do not like this thing in switch to 31 esr |
| 22:33.13 | mrdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.35 | cinch | i run ubuntu version 33, i cant tell |
| 22:34.30 | cinch | you can always download the ofiicial firefox binary |
| 22:34.35 | cinch | latest version |
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| 22:35.14 | mrdeb | no i dont want latest |
| 22:35.24 | mrdeb | it is perverted with the operating system nonsense |
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| 22:37.09 | knosys | hey guys, why i cant change permission on a directory? It just sticks the same all the time |
| 22:37.17 | knosys | and it doesnt give any error when doing chmod |
| 22:37.43 | knosys | omg sorry, nevermind |
| 22:37.47 | knosys | lol |
| 22:37.59 | knosys | too embarassed to explain what happened to me |
| 22:38.28 | cinch | mrdeb, you can ask a question with the debian bug tracker |
| 22:38.48 | cinch | mrdeb, should get an answer with the package maintainer |
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| 22:38.57 | mrdeb | ok thanks man |
| 22:39.09 | cinch | welcome :) |
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| 23:10.02 | srged | does it matter if my user pass is very very weak ? |
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| 23:10.28 | cinch | srged, yes |
| 23:10.51 | srged | cinch: in what why |
| 23:10.52 | SynrGy | srged: why would you think it wouldn't matter? |
| 23:10.57 | cinch | srged, if its offline, no worries |
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| 23:11.30 | cinch | srged, in general no, no big deal |
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| 23:12.22 | srged | cinch: its online |
| 23:12.47 | cinch | srged, if you have regular backups and know about online security: should be ok |
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| 23:13.27 | cinch | srged, thats how i do it |
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| 23:14.22 | srged | cinch: but whats the risk. some kid could take my ip and bruteforce users and passwords till he gets the right one? |
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| 23:15.20 | cinch | if it's important: generate that ultra secure paasword, store it in your database (like in lastpass) |
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| 23:16.15 | cinch | srged, he will hack in, get the hash and do a offline bruteforce attack yes |
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| 23:17.03 | heston_ | no sound in my new distro install. it's 1999 all over again |
| 23:17.20 | cinch | if the password is secure enough. you will be save |
| 23:17.32 | cinch | no matter what he tried |
| 23:17.49 | srged | cinch: yeah but enetering a secure pass each time.. its annoying :) |
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| 23:18.12 | cinch | srged, lastpass my friend,only enter it once |
| 23:18.17 | SynrGy | the way i see it you set up multiple lines of defense |
| 23:18.28 | cinch | SynrGy, yes |
| 23:18.36 | SynrGy | if any of them are weak, then if you failed on another line of defense, then you're easily hacked |
| 23:18.47 | SynrGy | so there's no excuse for a weak password, being one of those lines of defense |
| 23:19.09 | cinch | bottom line: use a password manager! |
| 23:19.13 | marioxcc | hello, what's the proper way to do initrd preseeding? |
| 23:19.24 | marioxcc | I have been folliwing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote , but it seems to have no effect |
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| 23:19.32 | srged | cinch: ok |
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| 23:20.09 | heston_ | anyone know how to get "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC887-VD" audio working on debian-based crunchbang? |
| 23:20.50 | mtn | !tell heston_ about crunchbang |
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| 23:26.23 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:26.31 | mrdeb | when is debian 7.7 full iso coming out |
| 23:26.34 | mrdeb | ??? |
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| 23:28.04 | mrdeb | hi bazhang . how r u |
| 23:28.23 | Brigo | mrdeb, full iso? what do you mean? |
| 23:28.38 | bazhang | mrdeb, the net install? |
| 23:28.50 | mrdeb | no not net, full cd iso cd disc 1 |
| 23:28.52 | bazhang | mrdeb, why would you need anything else |
| 23:29.03 | mrdeb | it is still 7.6 on site |
| 23:29.04 | notthensa | hi all |
| 23:29.13 | mrdeb | bec i dl as soon as it comes out to have offline install |
| 23:29.15 | notthensa | i just switched to debian lol |
| 23:29.44 | bazhang | mrdeb, is there something that 7.7 delivers you need right away? |
| 23:29.54 | mrdeb | yes |
| 23:29.59 | bazhang | what |
| 23:30.01 | mrdeb | i am very hungry to get it |
| 23:30.11 | bazhang | because... |
| 23:30.12 | mrdeb | there is update list |
| 23:30.43 | notthensa | could someone share with me their debian 7.7 sources.list? |
| 23:30.46 | notthensa | i can't install anything |
| 23:30.51 | mrdeb | oh wow wait i see it |
| 23:30.53 | mrdeb | thanks |
| 23:30.58 | mrdeb | only live cd is not 7.7 yet |
| 23:31.03 | mrdeb | ok |
| 23:31.11 | mrdeb | this is good |
| 23:32.39 | mrdeb | can u tell me what was updated on cd 1 gnome from october 18 to now |
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| 23:34.20 | jmcnaught | notthensa: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList this wiki page has a reasonable example. You could put yours on http://paste.debian.net/ if you'd like someone to take a look at it |
| 23:34.50 | notthensa | oh ok |
| 23:35.08 | notthensa | because i just installed this distro and i'm having a hard time getting adjusted to it |
| 23:35.12 | mrdeb | where there any updates to debian from october 18 to today |
| 23:35.20 | mrdeb | notthensa: gnome versino? |
| 23:35.28 | notthensa | how do i find that out? |
| 23:35.37 | mrdeb | is it the one that things fly around |
| 23:35.42 | mrdeb | with windows to the elft side |
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| 23:37.04 | mrdeb | anyway, you can tweak it to be really good |
| 23:37.24 | jmcnaught | mrdeb: yes it looks like there have been updates to mysql, pidgin, libtasn1 and libxml2 since that date. If you subscribe to the Debian Security Announcements you can get emails when there are security updates available |
| 23:37.35 | notthensa | how do i minimize a window |
| 23:37.52 | mrdeb | ok jmcnaught that helps, bec i want to install offline |
| 23:39.08 | jmcnaught | notthensa: if you're using Gnome, it doesn't do minimizing windows anymore. If you want a window off the screen, you can put it in a different virtual desktop (on the right hand side in the dashboard overview) |
| 23:39.53 | linuxthefish | hi, how come fail2ban does not work in debian anymore? |
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| 23:40.26 | linuxthefish | it's enabled for SSH, but the log says "already banned" and i can still ssh in fine |
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| 23:40.49 | sankey | is it appropriate for me to attach a file when submitting a bug report via email? |
| 23:41.16 | mrdeb | jmcnaught: r any of thoese updates exclusive to gnome |
| 23:41.20 | linuxthefish | wait nvm - wrong SSH port lol |
| 23:42.04 | jasonwc | Anyone know why even sid has a 3 year old version of rtorrent? |
| 23:42.26 | jmcnaught | mrdeb: https://www.debian.org/security/ you can read about them here. they don't look exclusive to gnome but gnome might use the libraries at least |
| 23:42.46 | mrdeb | ok then i can dl the iso |
| 23:42.47 | mrdeb | thanks |
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| 23:46.06 | notthensa | how do i switch from gnome to kde? |
| 23:46.13 | notthensa | im already running the apt-get install kde-standard command |
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| 23:46.32 | ytrezq | Hello, any idea for this http://superuser.com/questions/832025/how-to-get-mach-o-executables-architecture-information-on-debian? |
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| 23:48.22 | coste | notthensa: you install all required packages for KDE to function. https://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 23:50.06 | notthensa | what do i do about the already installed gnome? |
| 23:50.57 | cra1g321 | keep it or remove it |
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| 23:51.03 | notthensa | how do i remove it? |
| 23:51.06 | tytan | Hey, I want to install Debian Wheezy on a thumb drive (DataTraveler HyperX 3.0). Should I do a normal installation without /SWAP? Is there anything else I should consider? |
| 23:51.08 | SynrGy | !remove gnome |
| 23:51.08 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 23:51.18 | SynrGy | that advice is for 2.x. ymmv |
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| 23:52.20 | SynrGy | to generalize: you remove the common components of gnome without which the rest of gnome cannot function |
| 23:52.36 | SynrGy | the whole stack of dependencies on top should be removed as a result |
| 23:52.57 | SynrGy | if tht accidentally removes some things you wanted to keep, make note of them and install them again after. |
| 23:54.14 | SynrGy | tytan: consider a live image plus persistence partition instead. |
| 23:54.26 | tytan | SynrGy: Why? |
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| 23:57.16 | CCFL_Man | i just removed xfce4, the xfce window manager and installed ratpoison. when i startx, i get a black screen. i changed the default wm to ratpoison. what other software do i need installed? |
| 23:57.19 | SynrGy | you probably don't want a lot of writes to it anyway. you can limit what you need to change to customize it for your needs. when you want to upgrade, you can remaster from a simple recipe for live-build |
| 23:57.30 | nkuttler | CCFL_Man: black screen is what i'd imaging the default ratpoison to look like |
| 23:58.00 | SynrGy | and you have the benefit of compression and copy-on-write |
| 23:58.18 | tytan | SynrGy: I consider using all 64GB of space and using backports to get the latest kernel available for better hardware support. |
| 23:58.54 | knosys | hey guys i cant mount a cifs volume :/ im with the same thing for a while now, and i dont get it to work. Im having this error when mount: Mount error(13) permission denied. Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page |
| 23:58.54 | SynrGy | no usb device will give you great performance. i don't think any USB key install is good as a general purpose system |
| 23:58.57 | CCFL_Man | nkuttler: do i need a desktop manager or just a window manager? |
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| 23:59.29 | SynrGy | but for a utility system, it's great. and for that purpose, i think a live image + persistence is perfect. |
| 23:59.30 | tytan | SynrGy: It is meant to work as a "better" live system. |
| 23:59.47 | nkuttler | CCFL_Man: that's really up to you |
| 23:59.58 | nkuttler | CCFL_Man: i'm doing fine with just a wm |
