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| 00:20.03 | generatoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlMdNcvCJo |
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| 00:26.47 | okee | I am attempting to access a drive/folder, and receiving an error message, indicating that "Error Creating Mount Point, Read Only File System". How do I fix this problem? |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | show the full command and the full output |
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| 00:27.51 | okee | Abrotman> Also says failed to mount 210GB File System, in the same popup box. I guess I need to run the mount command at the command line. |
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| 00:28.53 | ariscop | anyone able to install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi? |
| 00:28.56 | okee | Abrotman> Or would I be better of running fsck at the command line. |
| 00:29.03 | okee | ??? |
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| 00:29.35 | okee | Now I am receiving error messages indicating I do not have write access to hexchat, the client I am using. |
| 00:29.40 | okee | Can anyone see me? |
| 00:30.00 | phy1729 | yes, please provide the information that abrotman asked for |
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| 00:30.45 | ariscop | and did anyone see my diconnect reason? |
| 00:30.57 | ariscop | okee, ? |
| 00:31.06 | phy1729 | ariscop: Max SendQ exceeded |
| 00:31.13 | ariscop | huh |
| 00:31.53 | ariscop | it is queuing a bunch of stuff, not sure what for |
| 00:31.53 | okee | Abrotman> The full command is to enter my password, for root access, when selecting a drive with the mouse. The full output is "Failed to Mount 210GB file system. Error creating mount point: read only file system". |
| 00:32.29 | okee | Okee> It sounds like I need to run the mount command at the command line. No? |
| 00:34.01 | okee | Weird stuff like this typically occurs when attempting to access the linux directory structure with paragon, an Ext 4 tool in windows. All I did is copy a linux file from windows, and paste it into the windows folder, and that is all it took. This problem doesn't occur when transferring files from Linux to windows, via the linux file system. |
| 00:34.51 | okee | My point is that Paragon isn't sufficiently stable, and is not good for anything more than viewing unopened files. |
| 00:35.09 | okee | In the past the problem was fixed with fsck, but usually I couldn't boot. I am fully booted. |
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| 00:35.50 | abrotman | okee: your filesystem where you're trying to mount it is RO .. |
| 00:35.50 | jrm2k6 | Hi, my ALT+TAB shortcut doesnt switch windows anymore |
| 00:35.57 | jrm2k6 | any idea how I can fix it? |
| 00:36.07 | abrotman | jrm2k6: in what? |
| 00:36.25 | okee | abrotman> Yes it is only RO, but I didn't do that; it just happened. |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | okee: seems like you need to do a filesystem check .. |
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| 00:38.30 | okee | abrotman> Can this be done at the command line? Or do I need to reboot and run fsck? |
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| 00:39.26 | okee | Looks like I have problems. The browsers are not launching. |
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| 00:40.32 | okee | abrotman> What command do you recommend? |
| 00:41.07 | okee | I am going to reboot. The mail program has now quit working. |
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| 00:42.14 | abrotman | he chose well enough |
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| 00:45.14 | Okee | I am writing from my Macbook Pro, and Debbie Linux crashed. Would someone remind me as to what the parameters are for fsck, so that I don't have to manually approve each operation, and have fsck do them all at once? |
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| 00:48.19 | Okee | Is anyone alive and BREATHING ??? |
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| 00:48.24 | abrotman | it shuld run on its own |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | try not to be so demanding, we're all volunteers |
| 00:49.02 | Okee | abrotman> That I know, but there is a parameter that will let you skip all the requests for a "Y", and just run the entire routine automatically. |
| 00:49.22 | Okee | I will just run the routine manually, without the parameter : ) |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | just hold in Y |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | it wants you to do potentially damaging stuff |
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| 01:14.05 | bsdbeard | hey, when is jessie going to be stable? |
| 01:14.13 | croddy | when it's ready |
| 01:14.29 | nkuttler | sooner if you help |
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| 01:16.31 | bsdbeard | :C |
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| 01:18.03 | abrotman | no, really, they mean it |
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| 01:19.29 | bsdbeard | I have no idea how I could even help |
| 01:19.41 | bsdbeard | so far everything is outdated so I just recompile things |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | debian.org/intro/help |
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| 01:20.37 | zoku | how could a package fail to configure with no postinst? |
| 01:20.40 | zoku | and no /etc files |
| 01:20.47 | zoku | libgcc1 will not configure for me |
| 01:20.48 | bsdbeard | yes but what contstitute a debian bug versus a program bug? |
| 01:21.15 | bsdbeard | " report any not yet known errata or bugs" |
| 01:21.59 | bsdbeard | normally if I know of a bug I'll notify the author on github or do a pull request |
| 01:22.08 | bsdbeard | but that's orthogonal to debian completely |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | bsdbeard: Why is it different? |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | if the bug is upstream, the maintainer will forward upstream |
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| 01:24.18 | bsdbeard | abrotman, it's different because they reccomend using debians bug tracking system instead of using the bug tracker of the actual software (often github) |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | bsdbeard: if you're just compiling things, why are you even using Debian? |
| 01:24.38 | bsdbeard | well initially I didn't have to compile things... but as wheezy got older it became more necesary |
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| 01:25.42 | abrotman | not true |
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| 01:34.52 | Aeterne | Wait a moment. Doesn't Debian's installation support btrfs? |
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| 01:36.20 | sydney | Hi all. My mouse has a awful habit of double clicking when i only click once. How can i troubleshoot/fix this issue? |
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| 01:37.49 | jmcnaught | sydney: trying a different mouse is the first thing i would do. the double-click threshold should be adjustable if you look in the mouse settings for whichever desktop environment you use |
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| 01:39.02 | sydney | I have adjusted that, but didnt help. |
| 01:39.19 | sydney | I dont have a diferent mouse curently ;) |
| 01:39.47 | comradekingu | your mouse is most probably broken if it doesnt work somewhere else, you could test that |
| 01:40.13 | comradekingu | open it up and replace the microswitch under the mousebutton that is troublesome |
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| 01:41.06 | sydney | I will find a diferent mouse... |
| 01:41.33 | sydney | It just started acting this way,and this was a used mouse anyways... |
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| 01:53.06 | abrotman | Aeterne: I think Jessie does, not sure about wheezy |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | sydney: or could even be a short |
| 01:53.27 | Aeterne | https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs It Squeeze (version 6.0), which is the one I have. |
| 01:53.37 | sydney | eh, maybe |
| 01:53.53 | Aeterne | I have another issue, too: it tries to install Grub to dev/sda when I've specified that / and swap and everything else is set to /dev/sdb |
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| 01:54.44 | abrotman | Aeterne: supported yes, but at install time?> |
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| 01:54.59 | Aeterne | I suppose I could upgrade it at a later time. |
| 01:55.15 | Aeterne | That just leaves me with GRUB trying to automatically install to /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb |
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| 01:59.44 | bsdbeard | when I try to send mail, gpg-agent should ask me my password, what happens is pinentry-curses gets 103% CPU usage but isn't displayed anywhere... how is this possible? init(1)âââgpg-agent(3543)âââpinentry-curses(11826) |
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| 02:35.27 | majuscule | Hi all, I'm getting authentication problems with apt. I have imported both current signing keys currently listed on https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html (https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys/archive-key-6.0.asc and https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys/archive-key-7.0.asc) |
| 02:35.49 | majuscule | Is there anything else I need to do to properly install these keys? |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | majuscule: tried another mirror? |
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| 02:36.41 | majuscule | no, that's probably a good idea. i'm currently pulling directly from debian.org though. this problem started soon after adding squeeze-lts to my sources.list |
| 02:36.45 | majuscule | (although not immediately) |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | oh dear, you almost never want ftp.debian.org |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | majuscule: where is the server located? |
| 02:37.42 | majuscule | virginia aws zone |
| 02:38.03 | majuscule | no ftp (unless i'm missing something?) it's all over http |
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| 02:38.14 | abrotman | there's a JHU mirror |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | you're using http://ftp.debian.org/ as your mirror in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 02:39.55 | majuscule | http://sprunge.us/UMCM |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | oh, nevermind them |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | then |
| 02:40.25 | majuscule | the first four lines are as they came, the last two were added by me |
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| 02:41.25 | majuscule | http://sprunge.us/cUYW |
| 02:41.37 | majuscule | v !$ |
| 02:41.42 | majuscule | erm, whoops, excuse me :-) |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | fired |
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| 02:42.10 | abrotman | majuscule: so try another mirror, or wait it out |
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| 02:42.28 | majuscule | i've been waiting :-/. i'll try another mirror. just wish i knew what's going on |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | majuscule: pastebin your 'apt-get update' |
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| 02:43.16 | majuscule | sure |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | and whatever the error is |
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| 02:45.20 | majuscule | http://sprunge.us/OjdB |
| 02:45.29 | majuscule | (thanks for your help btw, abrotman++) |
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| 02:47.12 | abrotman | wanted the output of 'apt-get update' |
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| 02:47.32 | majuscule | whoops, my mistake, one moment |
| 02:47.52 | majuscule | http://sprunge.us/ZfgK |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | and it still errors when you intsall? |
| 02:50.10 | majuscule | well it doesn't technically error i suppose, but it warns that the packages cannot be authenticated and asks if i'd like to continue |
| 02:50.13 | majuscule | i decline |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | usually just continues |
| 02:50.34 | majuscule | previous paste should demonstrate what i mean |
| 02:50.35 | majuscule | hahaha |
| 02:50.37 | majuscule | is paranoid |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | If you were paranoid, you wouldn't be running a distro with a half-baked security support system |
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| 02:51.31 | majuscule | yikes, that's the first time i've heard someone say that exactly re debian, but either way, i'm trying to make the best of a bad situation :-) |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | majuscule: That's re:squeeze&squeeze-lts, not Debian |
| 02:51.58 | majuscule | ahh, i see, fair enough |
| 02:52.06 | majuscule | i do plan to migrate soon |
| 02:52.10 | majuscule | just haven't had the time |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell majuscule about squeeze-lts |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | note, limited set of packages |
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| 02:52.41 | majuscule | graci, yes, that is a good point |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | waves |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | would just install the packages |
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| 02:54.01 | majuscule | remains skeptical, but considers |
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| 04:22.54 | towski | where is the config for apache2.service |
| 04:23.00 | towski | in systemd |
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| 04:35.16 | SexIsBad2TheBone | hellor world |
| 04:37.01 | SexIsBad2TheBone | where is the love |
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| 04:39.07 | SexIsBad2TheBone | i love u all |
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| 04:39.43 | SexIsBad2TheBone | i smell panties |
| 04:39.59 | SexIsBad2TheBone | somone here need to shower |
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| 04:41.40 | SexIsBad2TheBone | is it possible all the iddlers here doing a big debian gangbang? |
| 04:41.49 | SexIsBad2TheBone | with Tux? |
| 04:41.51 | SexIsBad2TheBone | ffs |
| 04:42.43 | SexIsBad2TheBone | sex with penguins... no wonder it smells strange here |
| 04:42.52 | jmcnaught | SexIsBad2TheBone: Hello, do you have a question about Debian? That kind of humour isn't really appreciated here. |
| 04:43.17 | SexIsBad2TheBone | i go in 10 minutes to work, iam bored and over coffeined, thats all |
| 04:43.32 | SexIsBad2TheBone | ok iam sorry |
| 04:43.45 | jmcnaught | SexIsBad2TheBone: maybe try a different channel or network if you're just bored then. |
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| 04:44.31 | SexIsBad2TheBone | i like debian, hoped meet a linux nerd to chat... |
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| 04:45.53 | jmcnaught | SexIsBad2TheBone: there's #debian-offtopic if you want to socialize with other Debian users, but keep in mind that some of the helpers here are at work sometimes, or might have their kids around, so try to keep it respectful please :) |
| 04:47.37 | SexIsBad2TheBone | ok thanks u :) |
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| 04:54.00 | SexIsBad2TheBone | bye bye |
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| 05:53.09 | gtristan | Hi |
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| 05:53.56 | gtristan | I am a long time (10+ years) GNOME contributor, and am following the debate on init systems on debian-vote (not subscribed but casually reading the threads there) |
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| 05:54.51 | gtristan | I don't exactly buy the conspiracy theory, however, I feel that distribution, especially respectable distros like debian, have to be strict with what GNOME pushes for |
| 05:55.06 | gtristan | otherwise I am seeing a trend in degraded engineering |
| 05:55.31 | gtristan | and it will get worse, the more shit that people put up with, the less GNOME developers will have to try to create reliable abstractions and API |
| 05:55.46 | gtristan | and this is exactly what is happening with systemd/logind and hard dependencies |
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| 05:55.59 | gtristan | I am just stepping in here to ask, is there anything I can do ? |
| 05:57.01 | gtristan | I have not been a participant in the debian community at all, but if I can speak with my GNOME hat on, in favor of you guys not being too tolerant of this systemd nonsense, which really should not be a hard requirement for the GNOME environment by any standard, I would love to help out |
| 05:58.20 | gtristan | I'm not even sure what your policy is regarding subscription to the debian-vote mailing list where discussion is going on, but I feel that I should participate in some way in that discussion, if I am welcome, if someone would point me in the right direction, that would be great. |
| 05:59.19 | Simotek-Work- | gtristan, i understand your point of view, I maintain enlightenment for another distro and i know the enlightenment devs have rained in the number of optional dependencies they have as well, although logind isn't a hard requirement yet unless you want to run wayland |
| 06:00.31 | gtristan | Honestly I am unimpressed with how things have went since GNOME 3, not the desktop per se, but specifically, we have not behaved professionally wrt the GTK+ ABI guarantees |
| 06:01.13 | gtristan | the only thing that can help that really is not having everyone tolerate this as the status quo |
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| 06:01.48 | gtristan | Maybe debians auto-dependency system is not helping, but from what I can see, in jessie, I can't have GNOME without systemd |
| 06:02.31 | Simotek-Work- | according to one of the other mailing lists i've been following its possible if you give it the right hints to install systemd-shim |
| 06:02.37 | gtristan | and when I set it up with sysvinit without GNOME (completely tolerable for some of my purposes), I keep getting something new that depends on systemd |
| 06:03.04 | gtristan | I expect systemd-shim to be an implementation of the required D-Bus interfaces |
| 06:03.53 | gtristan | and I'm not impressed that these D-Bus APIs are perceived to be a hard requirement on systemd, they are just D-Bus APIs, hopefully we can work on making those D-Bus apis stable |
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| 06:04.25 | gtristan | that's the part that was done well, afaict |
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| 06:05.06 | rwp | gtristan, In Jessie at this time it is not possible to have GNOME without systemd. That is the reason for the recent GR to oppose it. |
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| 06:05.23 | Hunterkll | yup |
| 06:05.42 | Hunterkll | GNOME uses more systemd stuff than just dbus |
| 06:05.46 | gtristan | rwp, is it not acceptable then to have sysvinit without GNOME ? |
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| 06:06.10 | gtristan | Hunterkll, and I'm not impressed with that, from what I understand it's just logind, but I may be mistaken there |
| 06:06.15 | rwp | Without GNOME there is no requirement (yet) for systemd. |
| 06:06.20 | Hunterkll | something about sessions, etc |
| 06:06.21 | rwp | I am running fvwm without systemd. |
| 06:06.24 | Hunterkll | rwp, well, gimp ... ;P |
| 06:06.51 | Simotek-Work- | rwp, from what i have read thats incorrect, |
| 06:06.54 | rwp | Last week's Sid's libvirt-bin started requiring systemd too. |
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| 06:07.18 | Simotek-Work- | the dependency was there for a while, until systemd-shim became usable |
| 06:07.24 | rwp | The gnome and systemd Debian maintainers have insisted that gnome is systemd and it is a hard requirement. |
| 06:07.32 | rwp | Many flames on the mailing lists concerning it. |
| 06:07.38 | gtristan | rwp, and the (yet) part is worrisome, if it becomes default now, I feel we place way too much faith on a software in it's infancy that plays a critical role in the OS |
| 06:08.08 | rwp | Full agreement. |
| 06:08.19 | Hunterkll | and what's with removing VTs from the kernel plans |
| 06:08.21 | Hunterkll | screw that |
| 06:08.27 | Hunterkll | what if the terminal daemon crashes |
| 06:08.33 | Hunterkll | how do i flip out of X and restart it then? :D |
| 06:08.49 | Simotek-Work- | Hunterkll, what happens if bash crashes in your vt |
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| 06:08.57 | Hunterkll | i switch to another one .... |
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| 06:09.19 | gtristan | there really is a real sociopolitical problem within GNOME where the attitude seems to be, GNOME OS or nothing, this really bothers me, I joined and contributed, wrote Glade, all because I wanted to be part of a free software org that holds themselves to a higher standard of quality than the status quo |
| 06:09.54 | gtristan | now it's not everywhere, there is push in all directions |
| 06:10.19 | qjqqyy | kmscon actually looks quite hopeful |
| 06:11.09 | Hunterkll | yawns |
| 06:11.17 | Hunterkll | i really should learn to stop infecting myself with my own malware collection |
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| 06:12.14 | gtristan | anyway, my position on it would be, if it really is just a matter of logind, just say that GNOME wont run on debian without systemd, but *dont* make systemd the default init system |
| 06:12.58 | gtristan | if GNOME wants to properly ship as default on debian, grow up and sort out these problems, they are not unsurmountable in comparison to the rest of the work being done |
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| 06:16.51 | MarvelDigital | i'm using gtkpod, and i've noticed that some of my songs on my ipod is missing. is this something wrong with my ipod or would this be a software bug with the gtkpod? i'm using 2.1.2 on 7.6 wheezy amd64 3.2.0-4 |
| 06:21.46 | mr_foobar_baz | My alfa usb wifi stick works if plugged into a usb hub which is plugged into my laptop, but not if it is plugged into my laptop directly. any idea why? |
| 06:22.04 | mr_foobar_baz | it shows up as RT2870/RT3070 in lsusb |
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| 06:23.32 | qjqqyy | probably wiring issues |
| 06:23.50 | qjqqyy | so many laptop manufacturers ship substandard usb ports it's atrocious |
| 06:25.26 | mr_foobar_baz | oh I forgot, with "not working" I ment that it shows up as wlan0, but when scanning for access points in wicd it won't find anything |
| 06:26.46 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: it's a lenovo G510 laptop. and yes, the usb ports show some odd behaviour... e.g. you can only boot from usb sticks with the usb ports on the left side... |
| 06:27.30 | qjqqyy | is the hub powered? |
| 06:27.34 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: nope |
| 06:27.43 | qjqqyy | if it works with a hub its definitely a hardware problem |
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| 06:27.48 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: it's a "delock" usb 2.0 hub |
| 06:28.09 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: the laptop supports usb 3.0. maybe that's got something to do with it |
| 06:29.09 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: you plugging a 2.0 into a 3.0 port? |
| 06:29.12 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I don't understand how. The card is now plugged into the hub, and the hub is plugged into the laptop on the same usb port that I tried to plug the wifi card into directly. |
| 06:29.14 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yes |
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| 06:30.00 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: and plugging the alfa wifi card directly into the usb port worked under windows, and I think earlier under linux too |
| 06:30.13 | qjqqyy | cant see why it doesnt work though, is hub plugged into same port? |
| 06:30.23 | qjqqyy | oh and is the dongle usb 3? |
| 06:30.59 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yes exactly. that's what's weird about it. no I don't think so. It's the ALFA AWUS036NH |
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| 06:32.10 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: so it doesnt work in usb 3 mode basically |
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| 06:32.43 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yes |
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| 06:32.50 | qjqqyy | usb3 might need extra firmware go google around xd |
| 06:32.53 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: but why is it trying to use usb 3 mode |
| 06:33.05 | qjqqyy | it should use usb3 mode |
| 06:33.08 | qjqqyy | its fastrr |
| 06:33.10 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: manufacturer site says the dongle is usb 2.0 |
| 06:33.42 | qjqqyy | check dmesg when you plug it in |
| 06:33.52 | qjqqyy | if it says xhci or ehci |
| 06:33.58 | qjqqyy | x = 3 |
| 06:34.31 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ok. I'll lose connection for a moment |
| 06:35.00 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: cant you just scroll up? |
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| 06:35.21 | qjqqyy | unless dmesg is full of nonsense |
| 06:35.25 | qjqqyy | ok rip |
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| 06:35.41 | qjqqyy | wb |
| 06:35.57 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: hi. yes that works too :) |
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| 06:37.00 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a8e32aa77f538e46c08a |
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| 06:38.15 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: sry cant open links atm will open it in a while |
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| 06:38.44 | qjqqyy | maybe someone else could figure while I get to a real computing device |
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| 06:40.06 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ok. the parts that look interesting: "usb 3-1: new high-speed USB", "xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: Setup ERROR: setup context command for slot 13.", "hub failed to enable device, error -22" |
| 06:40.36 | qjqqyy | wow mr_foobar_baz its trying to negotiate as usb 3 then |
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| 06:41.15 | qjqqyy | any results from googling <your dongle model> usb 3 no work |
| 06:41.19 | qjqqyy | or something like it? |
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| 06:42.21 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: afaik it's not meant to support 3.0. can I force it to use 2.0? |
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| 06:44.33 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: you can just disable xhci if there are no other usb 3 devices |
| 06:44.41 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: oddly, when I plug it in with the usb hub inbetween I get the same error |
| 06:44.53 | qjqqyy | as for forcing specific one might need to google and mess around with udev |
| 06:45.07 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: but I need usb 3.0 for my external HDD |
| 06:45.15 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ok |
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| 06:45.37 | qjqqyy | wait a minute |
| 06:45.42 | qjqqyy | high speed is usb 2 |
| 06:45.44 | qjqqyy | oopd |
| 06:46.51 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: so that's why the dmesg output is the same? |
| 06:47.20 | qjqqyy | yes my brain flipped out a sec |
| 06:47.25 | qjqqyy | usb 3 is called super sprrd |
| 06:47.42 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: try manually bringing up the interface with ip and iw |
| 06:47.52 | qjqqyy | wicd is old and unmaintained and stuff |
| 06:48.31 | qjqqyy | but firstly mr_foobar_baz does that happen in all (non-hub) ports? |
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| 06:51.22 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yes. since now my internal wifi card is called "wlan0", the usb one can't use that name anymore. so it's called "rename21". then I tell wicd to use "rename21", press "refresh" to scan for APs, the LED on the wifi stick blinks for a second, then the interface is suddenly called "rename22" and so on |
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| 06:51.35 | Simplar | Hello |
| 06:51.45 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: i'll try it without wicd |
| 06:51.54 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: and yes it's the same on all ports |
| 06:51.56 | Simplar | I've tried to install nvidia glx but after reboot it shows me tty1 console |
| 06:51.56 | mr_foobar_baz | Simplar: hi |
| 06:52.07 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: i blame wicd sry |
| 06:52.13 | Simplar | I am able to log in there with root |
| 06:52.21 | qjqqyy | if you hate networkmanager try connman |
| 06:52.28 | Simplar | But how to make my graphics card boot? |
| 06:53.22 | Simplar | Using a Samsung q45 notebook |
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| 06:56.34 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I'll try network-manager... |
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| 07:04.19 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: looks like connman doesn't provide the connmanctl command? |
| 07:04.55 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: its in sbin you need root |
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| 07:06.44 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: only found connmand in /usr/sbin |
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| 07:08.50 | qjqqyy | oh wait shoot me Debian stable's connman doesn't have connmanctl yet |
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| 07:12.43 | qjqqyy | have fun with man pages |
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| 07:13.15 | qjqqyy | but what I was saying is that does the card work when you manually call ip and iw |
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| 07:13.22 | qjqqyy | sry mr_foobar_baz |
| 07:13.27 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yes I'm on stable. I could try a newer version from snapshot.debian.org. Alternatively I'll have to see how to get the networkmanager try icon to work with awesome wm (I don't use gnome or kde) |
| 07:13.27 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ah I just have to run nm-applet :P |
| 07:13.27 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: it's not showing any networks, but idk if it's even using the right interface |
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| 07:14.02 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: right I should try that.. |
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| 07:14.41 | cloudowind | hello friends |
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| 07:16.25 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I did this: 1) ifconfig rename25 up 2) iw dev rename25 scan. output: scan aborted! 3) try scan again, "no such device" (now it's called rename26) |
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| 07:17.02 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: what's with all the renaming... |
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| 07:17.47 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: does it matter that wicd and network manager are still running at the same time? |
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| 07:18.49 | qjqqyy | ya you should only run one mr_foobar_baz |
| 07:18.52 | qjqqyy | they conflict |
| 07:19.14 | qjqqyy | oh and is firmware-ralink installed? |
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| 07:19.21 | qjqqyy | should have asked that way earlier |
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| 07:20.11 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: no. I thought I don't need it because the card shows up as realtek? |
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| 07:20.39 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ahh no |
| 07:20.47 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: misread it |
| 07:20.56 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: ok i'll install firmware-ralink |
| 07:20.57 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: Debian wiki says rt2870 needs firmware ralink |
| 07:21.09 | qjqqyy | yea the gist said nothing about firmware loading |
| 07:21.23 | qjqqyy | you need non-free for it also |
| 07:21.59 | qjqqyy | it will probably still work in wicd even sry |
| 07:22.14 | qjqqyy | but its already unmaintained though |
| 07:22.21 | qjqqyy | no ipv6 support for one |
| 07:22.55 | Simplar | Hi, how to enable the graphical device on debian 7.6? |
| 07:22.57 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: do I need to reboot or something after installing the firmware? |
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| 07:23.12 | qjqqyy | probably no |
| 07:23.45 | qjqqyy | unplug might do it (check dmesg for lines thy say loaded firmware XXX.bin) except when it don't |
| 07:23.47 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: now in dmesg I also have "firmware: direct-loading firmware rt2870.bin", but the behaviour is all the same |
| 07:24.20 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: keeps renaming the device to rename<n+1> every time I try to scan with it |
| 07:24.34 | qjqqyy | and what does dmesg say during rename? |
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| 07:28.36 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: same output like when I plug it into the usb port (loading firmware, new usb device, etc.) |
| 07:29.19 | qjqqyy | ok mr_foobar_baz let's disable xhci next boot and try again |
| 07:29.36 | qjqqyy | just to see if its usb3 acting up |
| 07:30.49 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: how do I disable it? in the BIOS? |
| 07:32.36 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I guess so.. see you in a few minutes |
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| 07:36.16 | manchot | it is possible that I redirect a domain into another one using host file? |
| 07:36.50 | manchot | for example, insteading of visiting google.com.fr, I want it be directly directed to google.com |
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| 07:40.15 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: back. didn't find an option to disable xhci in my BIOS. but I guess there should be another way? |
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| 07:44.30 | xiqy | Anyone here use Evolution? I'm trying to add a new task, but Evolution won't let me. |
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| 07:46.58 | xiqy | Nevermind. I just needed to check the task list. Man, I can't wait for Jessie; Evolution 3.4.4 is an aweful piece of software. |
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| 07:47.30 | mr_foobar_baz | xiqy: I use claws-mail |
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| 07:48.13 | xiqy | mr_foobar_baz: Tried it, didn't work well with Microsoft Exchange. |
| 07:48.17 | xrubbit | how can i setup mail sever?? |
| 07:48.24 | xrubbit | you have any tutorial?? |
| 07:48.24 | qjqqyy | ok mr_foobar_baz back lemme read over and think for abit |
| 07:49.20 | pfote | xrubbit: with all respect, if you have to ask that, you probably shouldnt setup one |
| 07:49.34 | xrubbit | exactly |
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| 07:52.01 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: now the usb dongle had the opportunity to get the interface name "wlan0", which it keeps. but the phy<n> keeps incrementing by 1 in dmesg (e.g. [ 1007.362767] ieee80211 phy9: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht' |
| 07:52.24 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: thanks for taking the time to help by the way |
| 07:52.28 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: is it a udev rename or a usb reset |
| 07:52.58 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: [ 1006.244147] usb 1-6: USB disconnect, device number 11 |
| 07:53.00 | mr_foobar_baz | [ 1006.732190] usb 1-6: new high-speed USB device number 12 using xhci_hcd |
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| 07:53.54 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: maybe I could try rmmod or blacklisting the xhci_hcd module? |
| 07:54.12 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: since my BIOS has no option to disable xhci |
| 07:54.27 | qjqqyy | worth a try mr_foobar_baz, manually modprobe ehci_hcd if needed |
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| 07:58.54 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: without xhci_hcd, none of my usb devices work |
| 07:59.07 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: don't even show up in lsusb |
| 07:59.30 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: after modprobe xhci_hcd, all the LEDs on them light up again |
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| 08:01.07 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: after modprobe xhci_hcd, all the LEDs on them light up again |
| 08:01.24 | mr_foobar_baz | oops, sry for accidental paste. |
| 08:02.00 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I have to take my usb hub with me to use the card... |
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| 08:02.21 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: thanks again for the help though |
| 08:02.23 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: the usb port only has 4 live electric connections right? |
| 08:02.33 | qjqqyy | zzzzz my own ralink card never worked |
| 08:02.40 | qjqqyy | it's not even heavy enough to be a paperweight here |
| 08:02.47 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: it has 4 ports, yes |
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| 08:03.56 | qjqqyy | meh mr_foobar_baz just don't buy ralink stuff next time |
| 08:04.10 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I heard the alfa cards are great |
| 08:04.25 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: but they probably don't all use ralink chips |
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| 08:05.48 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: apparently they use ralink |
| 08:06.04 | qjqqyy | mr_foobar_baz: might just be your mobo/card/kernel combination that's causing the hiccup even |
| 08:06.36 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: yeah this laptop has some weird hardware |
| 08:06.58 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: even under windows with the drivers on the cd that comes with it it takes a while to get everything working correctly |
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| 08:07.42 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: other than that it's great performance for the price |
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| 08:08.40 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I just wish manufacturers would stop putting weird wifi chips in everything. just use some chip that's proven to work please... |
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| 08:09.49 | qjqqyy | unfortunately no one cares about linux so |
| 08:10.40 | mr_foobar_baz | the alfa AWUS036H (I have the NH model) has a Realtek 8187L. Not sure if that's better.. |
| 08:11.26 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: Well, fortunately it is slowly gaining more and more attention. Especially because of android and soon SteamOS |
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| 08:12.15 | mr_foobar_baz | qjqqyy: I remember a couple of years ago, nothing worked at all. Today it's not perfect but mostly usable in my experience at least. |
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| 09:04.43 | JyZyXEL | since the web browser is such a huge attack vector these days, wouldn't it warrant the creation of a unix user just for some extra isolation for the web-browser? |
| 09:05.30 | rgr|android | why? |
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| 09:06.45 | JyZyXEL | so the browser wouldn't inherit your users powers |
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| 09:10.17 | rgr|android | but would the "Unix user" powers?.... and how would you have the user download and save and run java et c? user isolation already exists on Windows not that it matters. most damage is done at user level anyway... even with Linux. it's not a coincidence android is the most dangerous mobile is out there.... |
| 09:10.38 | rgr|android | os |
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| 09:11.35 | Burps | Hi. I'm used to have iptabes rules startes at init with this kind of script : http://zibet.net/comp/iptables.init.d . Now, I'd like to add ip6tables, but with the script, I'm not sure if I set "enable_ipv6=", that it will load ipv4 AND ipv4 rules. |
| 09:11.37 | JyZyXEL | powers like full R/W access to everything you have access to |
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| 09:18.50 | Burps | And btw, what is the recommended debian method to load the iptables/ip6tables at startup, while still being able to reload them at any time ? |
| 09:20.26 | Abhijit | burn, i dont know debian specific, but how about @reboot in cron? |
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| 09:21.38 | SynrG | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 09:21.39 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7; jessie: 1.0.2; sid: 1.0.2 |
| 09:21.43 | SynrG | there's that |
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| 09:22.13 | xiqy | Does libreoffice from wheezy-backports support spell checking? |
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| 09:41.58 | Brain | ok, so i just installed cvs, for checking out some old code |
| 09:42.05 | Brain | it's made a strange user in my /etc/passwd called _cvsadmin |
| 09:42.07 | Brain | why the underscore? |
| 09:42.19 | xiqy | Does anyone here use libreoffice from backports? If so, could you confirm or deny that spell checking works for you? |
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| 09:42.45 | Brain | xiqy: sorry can't help, i use the standard version for stable |
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| 10:25.34 | ksk | hey guys; as encfs is considered insecure by debian - is there any alternative for a "file-based" encryption to use with some random clouddrive? |
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| 10:39.17 | phix | ksk: clouddrive :/ call it as it is, a webdav client :) |
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| 10:50.03 | ksk | im currently looking into google-drive, i dont think that is native webdav |
| 10:50.39 | ksk | i could use gpg to encrypt my files, but that would not be too handy :/ |
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| 10:51.59 | Headcrush | Hi@all |
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| 10:54.21 | zuzuzzzip | ksk: if you're hosting it on something like google drive you should think about encryption, really |
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| 10:54.41 | zuzuzzzip | but there's always that security vs useabilty dillema :) |
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| 11:00.27 | ksk | zuzuzzzip: I do thing about encryption, thats why I'm ....... asking in here about alternatives to encfs |
| 11:00.34 | ksk | s/thing/think |
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| 11:01.32 | zuzuzzzip | well you could make archives per year or whatnot |
| 11:01.36 | zuzuzzzip | and gpg encrypt them |
| 11:01.46 | zuzuzzzip | gpg is a good alternative methinks |
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| 11:04.25 | arcsky | hello how do i mount usb ? |
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| 11:07.50 | rodroma | mkdir /media/usb |
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| 11:08.03 | rodroma | mount /sdx/sdx /media/usb |
| 11:08.05 | xreal | The wiki is outdated: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
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| 11:08.13 | xreal | "linux-image-flavour" doesn't exist |
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| 11:12.21 | L0aD1nG | xreal: you can try upgrade on backports kernel (3.16 currently :P ) |
| 11:12.24 | L0aD1nG | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=114946 |
| 11:12.25 | L0aD1nG | check this |
| 11:12.44 | xreal | L0aD1nG: I did already, I'm just complaining about the outdated wiki :) |
| 11:12.46 | xreal | bad for newbiez. |
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| 11:14.02 | L0aD1nG | well okay, its not outdated on every topic. |
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| 11:14.21 | L0aD1nG | its just stable xD |
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| 11:30.44 | xreal | Is it possible to start debian-installer from shell? |
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| 11:32.29 | swordsmanz | xreal ofc |
| 11:33.04 | xreal | swordsmanz: atb ? |
| 11:33.10 | swordsmanz | atb ? |
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| 11:35.23 | xreal | swordsmanz: I don't have a clue, what ofc means :) |
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| 11:37.07 | swordsmanz | xreal it means ofcourse |
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| 11:37.36 | xreal | swordsmanz: but how? :) |
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| 11:39.00 | swordsmanz | xreal well you navigate to where the binary is located and hit enter, just like you do for any other linux aplication |
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| 11:39.28 | xreal | swordsmanz: actually, I don't know its name :) |
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| 11:41.08 | swordsmanz | xreal tab and ls are your friend |
| 11:41.38 | xreal | swordsmanz: I think, this won't help but... eww... "thanks" |
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| 11:58.15 | rgr | no you dont navigate to where the binary is at all. |
| 11:59.13 | rgr | you either have it on your path or specify a full filepath prefix. |
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| 12:16.58 | colo-work | oh. Ceph is in wheezy-backports? |
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| 12:20.16 | brontosaurusrex | colo-work: yes |
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| 12:22.26 | brontosaurusrex | colo-work: http://paste.debian.net/plain/129044 |
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| 12:24.05 | imdea | Hi, I have a Debian Wheezy box and am struggling setting up a custom script that depends on redis to start at boot time. My script has a line like this one in the headers: # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog redis_6379 however when I try to run "insserv arpadm" I get an error that says: insserv: Service redis_6379 has to be enabled to start service arpadm update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header any ideas? |
| 12:24.10 | imdea | redis is running btw |
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| 12:25.18 | colo-work | brontosaurusrex, yes, it was kind of a rhetorical question; an expression of amazement :) |
| 12:25.27 | colo-work | is anyone of you using it? |
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| 12:28.05 | brontosaurusrex | colo-work: sorry for responding ifeel now |
| 12:28.59 | colo-work | brontosaurusrex, oh please, don't be sorry :) it was a very well-intended response, and will probably be useful to someone else still |
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| 12:38.47 | Butt3rfly | .weather markyate uk |
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| 12:38.59 | tkl2 | Hi |
| 12:39.17 | Butt3rfly | oops |
| 12:39.20 | tkl2 | Anyone who can tell me how i can play m4a files with Debian? |
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| 12:40.07 | jelly | tkl2: vlc? mplayer/mplayer2/mpv? |
| 12:40.23 | tkl2 | qoudlibet |
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| 12:41.30 | brontosaurusrex | what jelly said |
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| 12:43.11 | tkl2 | jelly: And how to get it with gstreamer |
| 12:43.17 | tkl2 | ? |
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| 12:43.46 | jelly | I don't buy gstreamer products, sorry |
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| 12:46.03 | tkl2 | hmh |
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| 12:46.40 | brontosaurusrex | tkl2: various plugins "bad" "evil" and "whatnot" |
| 12:46.43 | jelly | tkl2: try doing an apt-cache search gstreamer mpeg4 |
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| 12:48.26 | jelly | tkl2: if you have an example file, I could be bothered to test clementine with gstreamer engine |
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| 12:49.11 | brontosaurusrex | faad seems to be in "gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad" |
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| 12:51.44 | tkl2 | got it |
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| 12:51.51 | tkl2 | aptitude install gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad |
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| 12:55.21 | tkl2 | Another funny thing on that machine |
| 12:55.43 | tkl2 | He won´t capture it if i press a key on the keyboard longer |
| 12:55.47 | tkl2 | and hold it down |
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| 13:07.24 | queso | I have IPsec configured on my Debian Wheezy workstation. How can I configure it to start at boot? I have to run /etc/init.d/ipsec start -- can I just put that in /etc/rc.local? |
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| 13:12.39 | Burps | queso : update-rc.d |
| 13:13.19 | Burps | run it once with no arg, il will display the help message |
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| 13:14.22 | queso | Burps: Thanks |
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| 13:16.30 | queso | Burps: So, sudo update-rc.d ipsec enable 5 ? |
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| 13:19.48 | queso | How can I determine what runlevel I'm currently in? |
| 13:20.06 | petemc | runlevel |
| 13:20.24 | queso | petemc: Thanks :) |
| 13:20.27 | petemc | np |
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| 13:40.15 | Kittt3n_ | Have anyone tried getting Debian to run on HP Slatebook 14? |
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| 13:46.53 | Eisspin | hey ppl |
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| 13:47.49 | Eisspin | I'm getting some kernel panics the last days in a debian squeeze container |
| 13:47.50 | Eisspin | http://postimg.org/image/bg1pfuwh9/full/ |
| 13:47.58 | Eisspin | maybe someone can help me fix that |
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| 13:49.39 | Eisspin | and agains |
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| 13:49.40 | Eisspin | -s |
| 13:49.41 | Eisspin | :/ |
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| 13:49.54 | Eisspin | seems like my container doesn't really start anymore |
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| 13:51.39 | Eisspin | BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at f¹âµ8 |
| 13:52.05 | KaaK | can a device tree expert help me understand nodes marked with `&`? See here (http://paste.debian.net/129062/) starting at line 73 |
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| 13:53.57 | hesco | Yesterday, after some guidance from abrotman, heurist`, valdyn and somiaj: I set up my servers with ntp, a consistent /etc/timezone and sync'd them up with `ntpd -g`. This morning they are back to five minutes off from one another, which is generating keep-alive alerts in my monitoring system. |
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| 13:55.14 | hesco | The ntp daemon is running on the two machines I am looking at in this moment, although on one of them, there are two listings in the process list, one owned by root, the other by ntp user. The other server has only one process, owned by ntp. What is that supposed to look like? |
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| 13:56.42 | Mathisen | anyone got any tip for easy to use and handy web interface to sub to all my podcasts im using ? |
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| 13:58.04 | Mathisen | im using subsonic to stream my music but for podcasts it is a premium feature and i want a free one |
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| 13:59.51 | abrotman | hesco: are they VMs? |
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| 14:06.49 | at_work | Good day folks. I have a system with dual NICs, both are connected and active. I am trying to preseed with PXE and the installer always forces me to configure the network. |
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| 14:08.05 | at_work | I've configured PXE with ipappend 2, I get the extra parameter in the grub append line after pxe booting, but still get prompted to select a nic. |
| 14:08.16 | Brigo | at_work, i think the pxe images has different approach. |
| 14:08.30 | Wulf | at_work: are you only prompted to select a nic or to do full configuration? |
| 14:08.45 | Brigo | at_work, did you try the pxe images? |
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| 14:09.22 | at_work | Just select a nic, the nic is configured with DHCP after that |
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| 14:10.00 | at_work | Not sure which image I have, how do I tell if I Have the pxe image? I didn't set this up, I'm trying to enhance the preseed for a multinic box. |
| 14:10.39 | Wulf | at_work: I've got the same problem and gave up trying to fix it :/ |
| 14:11.47 | Brigo | at_work, https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot, https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
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| 14:12.47 | Wulf | Brigo: what's a PXE image? |
| 14:13.13 | Wulf | I don't think there is such a thing |
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| 14:20.29 | karlpinc | Help me out on policy here. Debian bug #683854 is serious, the package is effectively unusable. It was fixed in jessie, but not in wheezy. I'm unclear if it was _supposed_ to be fixed in wheezy, but it seems like it could be one of those fixes that makes it into stable. (It being an incorrect symlink that breaks things.) There's a report at the end of #683854 that implies it _was_ fixed in stable, and then broken again with a |
| 14:20.29 | karlpinc | security update. Should I report a new bug and reference #683654 or just suck it up and wait for jessie to be released? |
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| 14:22.55 | Brigo | karlpinc, i think you should report it, may be the maintainer is not aware fo the broken link |
| 14:23.06 | zlude | Hello! i'm running a version of apache in my server, how can i see the latest version available in repo to update then? |
| 14:23.13 | karlpinc | Brigo: Thanks. Will do. |
| 14:23.25 | Brigo | karlpinc, np :) |
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| 14:23.38 | karlpinc | zlude: "aptitude update". (or apt-get instead of aptitude) |
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| 14:24.17 | zlude | karlpinc, i run, apt-get update. |
| 14:24.55 | karlpinc | zlude: That will update your system so it knows what's in the repo. Then "aptitude safe-upgrade" will upgrade to whatever newer version is available. (or apt-get upgrade) |
| 14:25.18 | zlude | karlpinc, but i want to update just apache |
| 14:25.37 | karlpinc | zlude: apt-get install apache2 |
| 14:25.48 | zlude | karlpinc, and i want to know what is the new version available of apache in repo |
| 14:25.51 | karlpinc | zlude: But it may upgrade other stuff that apache needs. What version of debian are you running? |
| 14:26.51 | zlude | karlpinc, wheezy, 7.0. |
| 14:26.59 | karlpinc | zlude: apt-cache will show you, iirc. |
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| 14:27.15 | karlpinc | zlude: Why would you not want to upgrade everything? You should be doing this to get security fixes. |
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| 14:28.32 | karlpinc | zlude: You could "aptitude show -v apache2", I think. |
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| 14:29.14 | zlude | karlpinc, thx |
| 14:29.18 | karlpinc | zlude: Note that the version number is not exactly what's in upstream, since deiban backports security patches. Hence the additional stuff on the end of the version numbering. |
| 14:29.19 | [E]sc | so i played this game called urban terror. when i exit it, the taskbar on my kde is all messed up and the icons are all out of wack, is there a way to fix this? i can't do anything with the windows on my taskbar right now i'm using wheezy, 3.2.0-4 amd64 kwin 4.8.4 |
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| 14:44.45 | tikun | is using dd a good way to test write performance on a drive? |
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| 14:47.13 | babilen | tikun: Take a look at bonnie++ |
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| 14:48.08 | Aeterne | Haha, perfect. Made a new Debian installation and it didn't set my account into the sudoers file. |
| 14:48.11 | Aeterne | Now I can't reboot. |
| 14:48.43 | tikun | babilen, kk, will do |
| 14:48.46 | tikun | thx |
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| 14:51.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aeterne about sudo |
| 14:51.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aeterne about sudoers |
| 14:51.37 | babilen | Aeterne: Just install it if you want to use sudo |
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| 14:52.05 | Aeterne | I have. |
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| 14:54.23 | tikun | Aeterne, can you not logout and login as root and add your account into the sudoers group? |
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| 14:55.35 | Aeterne | Ooohh, no, I got it. Thank you, though. It's what I did. |
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| 15:02.22 | mishantil | Are there any disadvantages of running postgresql installed from the postgres repos instead of from Debian's stable repo? |
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| 15:02.48 | mishantil | Any experience wether or not the postgresql-guys keep it updated and do sane release-management? |
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| 15:03.14 | nkuttler | mishantil: you'll have to ask them. #debian doesn't support third party packages |
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| 15:03.43 | [C]hris | Anyone here use AIDE? I have created the database, but when i touch /bin/ls then run aide -c /etc/aide/aide.conf --check it still says my system is unchanged perhaps someone can show me how tis suppose to work? |
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| 15:05.51 | mishantil | nkuttler: The question was more geared towards people here's feeling about using the repo that Postgres has set up VS staying at older versions of Postgres as in the debian core repo. |
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| 15:06.03 | tikun | dear lord I need to invest in some decent drives for my NAS, my virtual machines running on Hyper-V are out-performing the physical debian server |
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| 15:10.17 | D_SiloS_P | Hi everyone!! I have a problem. I am upgrading a System Debian, but I have a error with one packet |
| 15:10.38 | D_SiloS_P | "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cron_3.0pl1-124_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./usr/bin/crontab' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" |
| 15:10.53 | D_SiloS_P | To my surpise I see this: |
| 15:10.56 | D_SiloS_P | ls -la /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:11.02 | D_SiloS_P | ---------- 1 root crontab 30248 Dec 18 2010 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:11.17 | D_SiloS_P | I can't erase this file. I can't change permision on this file |
| 15:11.23 | D_SiloS_P | Please, any of you has happened to that? |
| 15:11.28 | D_SiloS_P | how I can fix this? I need delete this file but I can not |
| 15:11.37 | debbie10t | just setup debian76 + xorg + ixeweasel (in virtualbox guest) in under 1 hour .. and it works perfect ! |
| 15:11.49 | debbie10t | cheerz :D |
| 15:11.50 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: Are you running the commands as root? |
| 15:11.56 | D_SiloS_P | yes |
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| 15:13.04 | D_SiloS_P | Yes , I am running as root |
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| 15:13.08 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: and "rm -f /usr/bin/crontab" does nothing? |
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| 15:14.07 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: I should say that I'm not positive this the the best way to solve the problem |
| 15:14.28 | D_SiloS_P | /usr/bin# rm -f /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:14.28 | heurist` | D_SiloS_P: show us the output of mount use a pastebin. |
| 15:14.30 | D_SiloS_P | "rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/crontab': Operation not permitted" |
| 15:14.40 | somiaj | D_SiloS_P: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 35944 Aug 9 15:52 /usr/bin/crontab -- Thoes are my permissions on crontab. it won't even allow you to say chmod 755 /usr/bin/crontab (though you need to add the setuid bit too) |
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| 15:15.01 | nkuttler | D_SiloS_P: why would you do that anyway... crontab -e |
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| 15:15.11 | D_SiloS_P | lsattr /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:15.12 | D_SiloS_P | s---ia------------- /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:15.15 | nkuttler | oh, never mind |
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| 15:16.36 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: "When a file with the `s' attribute set is deleted, its blocks are zeroed and written back to the disk. Note: please make sure to read the bugs and limitations section at the end of this document. |
| 15:17.00 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: ops, didn't mean to send that |
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| 15:19.54 | jelly | D_SiloS_P: was the previous admin a bit on the paranoid side? |
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| 15:22.05 | tw-oic | What's the best way to find files in a directory (recursive) that have a particular xattr set? I looked at find, it doesn't appear to have any xattr matches. |
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| 15:22.15 | kristofferhagen | jelly: You mean setting the 's' attr on the crontab executable? |
| 15:22.25 | D_SiloS_P | jelly: hehehe no, I know what happened |
| 15:23.01 | D_SiloS_P | this is ouput http://pastebin.com/tBxEc487 |
| 15:23.06 | D_SiloS_P | output |
| 15:23.53 | jelly | kristofferhagen: the 'i'mmutable attr is more interesting |
| 15:24.32 | jelly | D_SiloS_P: well, if you know what happened, undo it |
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| 15:25.58 | jelly | D_SiloS_P: chattr -i to remove the immutable flag |
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| 15:26.24 | D_SiloS_P | jelly: sorry... I do not know what happened-- :( |
| 15:26.38 | jelly | D_SiloS_P: but if you do NOT know the exact reason why this binary was set immutable, this might even point to an intrusion |
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| 15:27.01 | ChrisH | D_SiloS_P: man chattr should help you to fix it |
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| 15:27.38 | D_SiloS_P | Permission denied for this command "chattr -i" |
| 15:27.55 | D_SiloS_P | I can not remove the immutable flag |
| 15:28.05 | greycat | I think someone tried to disable all cron jobs, and did it in a very bizarre way. |
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| 15:29.36 | greycat | D_SiloS_P: does your /usr/bin/chattr *also* have weird extended attributes? |
| 15:30.34 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: is the filesystem mounted read-only? |
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| 15:31.10 | D_SiloS_P | kristofferhagen: No, the filesystem is ok, rw |
| 15:32.14 | D_SiloS_P | greycat: Yes . FUCK..!! ls -la /usr/bin/chattr |
| 15:32.23 | D_SiloS_P | ---------- 1 root root 7484 Jun 18 2011 /usr/bin/chattr |
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| 15:33.33 | sydney | When are the live iso's going to be updated to 7.7? |
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| 15:35.30 | D_SiloS_P | jelly: It is likely that this server has an intrusion... |
| 15:36.38 | D_SiloS_P | mmm... lastlog: "default pts/0 66.87.119.36 Thu Oct 16 02:00 - 04:41 (02:41)" |
| 15:36.45 | D_SiloS_P | fuck |
| 15:38.52 | tw-oic | anyone who cares, this is what I used to search for xattr, it's disgusting but it worked: |
| 15:38.55 | tw-oic | find . -exec zsh -c "getfattr -n 'user.skipintro' \"\$@\" 2>/dev/null | gawk 'BEGIN{fname=\"\";} /^#/{fname=gensub(/^[^:]*: /,\"\",1,\$0)} /^[^#]/{print fname \" :: \" \$0}'" {} + |
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| 15:39.39 | kristofferhagen | D_SiloS_P: That IP seems to be from Oakland, CA |
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| 15:40.35 | D_SiloS_P | kristofferhagen: Yes, I am from argentina |
| 15:41.07 | D_SiloS_P | the server is in Argentina |
| 15:41.58 | D_SiloS_P | Well. I think there is only one remedy.... :( |
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| 15:42.49 | xreal | Is there something like a "mini kernel" for quick booting? |
| 15:43.36 | tw-oic | err, kernel doesn't boot fast enough? If you use single-user mode, is it fast enough? |
| 15:43.45 | xreal | tw-oic: I don't need 1000 modules :) |
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| 15:44.03 | xreal | tw-oic: I mean, I just want to boot into linux. I don't need any kernel modules. |
| 15:44.12 | xreal | tw-oic: I know, it has nothing to do with performance. |
| 15:44.20 | xreal | tw-oic: it's all about space |
| 15:45.02 | tw-oic | if you mean for embedded, you need to be doing custom kernel compiles anyway, so you might as well roll your own. |
| 15:45.37 | xreal | tw-oic: I'm installing debian via debootstrap into my swap because I want to reinstall it. |
| 15:45.43 | xreal | tw-oic: but my swap is too small :) |
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| 15:50.10 | tw-oic | k, that's about as far as I can go, because I can't imagine a use case for it. If it were me, I'd get another LUN allocated from san or setup nfs/cifs/iSCSI or plug in a USB device. |
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| 15:56.28 | xreal | Why the heck can't I make a debian installation fit into a 350 MB partition? |
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| 15:57.07 | petern_ | Because it's not 1998 anymore. |
| 15:57.42 | Froolap | is there a way of keeping pam from gernerating log entries for cron jobs in auth.log? it's good that cron is verifing the user exists and setting the environment before running the jobs... |
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| 16:01.34 | xreal | petern_: oh, I forgot to set bios time... it's 1997 here. |
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| 16:03.23 | TheQuestionmark | Huh... I'm just asking again... anyone would say it's fine to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie as of now for everyday use? |
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| 16:05.50 | Knaldgas | In syslog I get a call trace starting with this error: "[drm:i9xx_set_fifo_underrun_reporting] *ERROR* pipe B underrun" - See http://pastebin.com/BswvC3mh |
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| 16:06.02 | Knaldgas | Running Jessie fully upgraded |
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| 16:06.12 | Knaldgas | What's going on, and how can I fix this? |
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| 16:06.48 | heurist` | Knaldgas: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:07.02 | Knaldgas | Ohh... |
| 16:07.07 | Knaldgas | Thanks heurist` |
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| 16:10.27 | itsfortybelow | anyone know if theres a debian package of all non-free firmwares? |
| 16:10.58 | imdea | you have non-free repo and inside it there are several packages for non-free stuff including firmware |
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| 16:11.12 | itsfortybelow | yeah, im wondering if there's one bundling them all into a .deb |
| 16:12.33 | itsfortybelow | although, currently, the packages i download i'm being told arnt debian packages |
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| 16:24.42 | itsfortybelow | having to ferry files back and forth on a usb stick from the debian box and a windows system |
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| 16:25.20 | gonz_0 | anyone else keepnote keep crashing with these errors http://pastebin.com/WDkKvBup |
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| 16:41.07 | xreal | What's the current dhcp-client? dhcp3-client seems to be outdated. |
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| 16:41.22 | xreal | is it dhcpcd ? |
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| 16:41.54 | Burps | xreal: dhclient ? |
| 16:41.55 | greycat | wheezy uses isc-dhcp-client |
| 16:43.05 | xreal | greycat & Burps: Seems like this is Wheezy only. |
| 16:43.09 | xreal | There are no packages for sid. |
| 16:43.25 | xreal | whoops, there are |
| 16:43.36 | xreal | I hate packages.debian.org |
| 16:44.59 | xreal | Is there a website, which lists the packages installed by tasksel's "standard" ? |
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| 16:57.45 | xreal | I really can't find debian installer to start from normal shell :( |
| 16:58.13 | greycat | When you boot the installer, there is a menu. One of the choices is "rescue mode" or something like that. |
| 16:58.26 | greycat | You'll still have to answer several questions before you can get a shell prompt. |
| 16:58.40 | heurist` | xreal: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 16:58.58 | xreal | greycat: I want to start the installer from the shell. |
| 16:59.11 | greycat | Like, to install within a chroot? |
| 16:59.14 | xreal | heurist`: I've booted into a live linux and want to start the installer for installing debian to another system. |
| 16:59.26 | xreal | greycat: no, from a live CD. |
| 16:59.51 | xreal | The computer is 300 km away and running a live linux with ssh :) |
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| 17:00.03 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 17:00.03 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 17:00.09 | workingcats | let me guess, you've come from gentoo? |
| 17:00.11 | xreal | Of course, I could do a debootstrap install... |
| 17:00.19 | xreal | workingcats: no, but I like to use Debian like Gentoo :D |
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| 17:01.18 | workingcats | well i do come from gentoo and i figured "well, i dont wanna stop my music just because i'm installing a new OS" but debootstrap looked waaaay to complicated for such a small benefit so i installed the system in a VM and then rsync'd it to the machine |
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| 17:01.41 | wols | xreal: you cannot run the installer from a shell. you can only use debootstrap that way |
| 17:01.48 | xreal | wols: buuuuuh! : |
| 17:01.58 | xreal | is sad now. |
| 17:02.06 | wols | why do you need this installer? |
| 17:02.24 | xreal | wols: because I always forget one step in debootstrap. Last time, I forgot to install DHCP-client :D |
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| 17:04.12 | workingcats | xreal, if you do happen to run into a way other that's easier than debootstrap and my noted VM-and-then-rsync approach let me know ;) but i did look for maybe 15 or 30min and that was the best ones i could find |
| 17:04.22 | workingcats | -other |
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| 17:04.47 | xreal | workingcats: where did you note it down? :) |
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| 17:05.56 | workingcats | xreal, i meant the above. there wasnt any more to it, install it in VM, then rsync out the files. tho i didnt replicate my native partitioning in the VM as i had planned to then install grub2 from debian from chroot after the rsync |
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| 17:07.14 | workingcats | that failed, but that was probably more due to my relatively complex setup or me doing something stupid. in the end i installed gentoo grub1 manually. this isnt a comment on grub2 (pls lets not start that argument lol), but with grub1 i can write the conf from memory, and as the automatic stuff failed thats what i did |
| 17:07.35 | workingcats | i mean installing grub2 from the debian chroot failed |
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| 17:09.14 | xreal | ahh, I've got another idea! |
| 17:09.35 | xreal | can't I make grub2 boot an ISO of the debian installer ISO ? |
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| 17:12.15 | dym | Hey! Im running a dhcp server that should provide static and dynamic ip leases to hosts. I have defined a host for one of my ip cams, but it doesnt seem to get the address it's supposed to. can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/yNuhgBKY Im on a 255.255.0.0 but somehow dhcpd wont let me define a broader subnet (10.1.0.0 255.255.0.0) http://pastebin.com/yNuhgBKY |
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| 17:21.56 | Gyndawyr | hello #debian |
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| 17:22.54 | Gyndawyr | Is there a way that I can switch to debian-testing now that I've already installed debian-stable? |
| 17:23.35 | towo` | if you have to ask, you shouldn't do that |
| 17:23.47 | heurist` | dpkg: tell Gyndawyr -about wheezy->jessie |
| 17:24.20 | Gyndawyr | lol gay |
| 17:24.57 | heurist` | dpkg: tell Gyndawyr -about gay |
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| 17:25.38 | Gyndawyr | I'm trying to decide if I want debian-testing or lubuntu on this PC I have |
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| 17:26.00 | Gyndawyr | I already have debian-stable on my laptop so I thought "ohh I could see how it is that way |
| 17:26.53 | heurist` | Gyndawyr: do you understand what testing is? are you able to fix the problems you will run into? |
| 17:26.56 | heurist` | dpkg: tell Gyndawyr -about testing |
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| 17:27.34 | Gyndawyr | wait, there were three versions of debian I thought |
| 17:27.50 | Gyndawyr | everything works, most works, and nothing works |
| 17:27.55 | Gyndawyr | I want the middle one |
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| 17:29.02 | jelly | Gyndawyr: freeze is coming. There isn't going to be a middle one for a while. |
| 17:29.06 | Gyndawyr | so what you're saying heurist', is "get lubuntu instead" |
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| 17:29.17 | heurist` | Gyndawyr: the middle is more like "things work sometimes". you can join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask them about issues you might face, or seek assistance when it breaks. |
| 17:29.57 | Gyndawyr | but ubuntu has been selling out it's open-source philosophy in exchange for advertisements :( |
| 17:30.08 | heurist` | Gyndawyr: actually I am not saying anything. but if was to say something I would say stick with wheezy. |
| 17:30.16 | Gyndawyr | it'd feel like I'd be choosing google instead of duckduckgo |
| 17:30.58 | Gyndawyr | the thing that annoys me about wheezy is it's old. I want rhythmbox 3.0 -> not allowed to have becuz "unstable" (no it's not) |
| 17:31.01 | jelly | Gyndawyr: if stable fails to fulfil your requirements, you can try some other distro (also, those advertisements can probably be disabled) |
| 17:31.29 | Gyndawyr | it's not so much about whether I can disable it as it's selling out it's own principles |
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| 17:31.40 | jelly | what principles? |
| 17:31.49 | Gyndawyr | free open-source |
| 17:32.02 | jelly | the OS is a tool, to make the computer work. |
| 17:32.19 | Gyndawyr | what this guy sez: https://micahflee.com/2013/01/why-im-leaving-ubuntu-for-debian/ |
| 17:32.52 | jelly | if you want, we can continue this non-support conversation in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:33.25 | TheQuestionmark | Anyone has an idea how to perform the dist-upgrade to jessie the best? I'm having everything but /home on a small SSD (64G), so would it be better to erase everything via a live system or would it be easier to get some free space for all the packages? |
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| 17:33.50 | Gyndawyr | ohh come on jelly I'm nearly done! |
| 17:33.51 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: how much free space is there? |
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| 17:34.57 | TheQuestionmark | Less than 10M at the moment because all my tools are running i.E. iceweasel, pidgin, banshee etc. |
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| 17:37.59 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: how much of that is /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 17:38.43 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: those GUI apps don't write a lot in filesystems other than /home (by default) |
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| 17:39.16 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Right now, <100K. |
| 17:39.23 | TheQuestionmark | Did a apt-get clean before. |
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| 17:40.07 | jelly | you'll have to clean some of that up, newer releases always seem to take more space (a couple hundred MB at at least) |
| 17:40.57 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Most stuff (~8G) is located in /usr. |
| 17:41.08 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: and the other 56GB? |
| 17:41.36 | jelly | du -x / > /tmp/du-x-root ; sort -n /tmp/du-x-root | tail -n 40 |
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| 17:43.27 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: http://cxg.de/_f72f4c.htm |
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| 17:43.37 | TheQuestionmark | That's the output. |
| 17:43.44 | tw-oic | xreal: something possibly helpful I just thought of. https://wiki.debian.org/RescueInitramfs |
| 17:44.18 | xreal | tw-oic: yeah, but no way to start the installer. |
| 17:44.22 | xreal | I've figured out a way... |
| 17:44.28 | xreal | I'll write a HowTo soon. |
| 17:45.08 | tw-oic | I'm massively confused as to why you have such tight disk constraints. |
| 17:45.30 | tw-oic | even embedded nand is multiple gigabytes. |
| 17:46.01 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: that's not too much for a 64GB SSD. Do you have other filesystems? Can you resize / filesytem? |
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| 17:46.23 | jelly | tw-oic: where multiple is often 4 or 8. |
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| 17:48.47 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Unfortunately I can't since there's less than 500M of free space right after booting up the machine. |
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| 17:49.06 | TheQuestionmark | Also I'm just using this one which goes with encrypted ext4. |
| 17:49.22 | frostschutz | TheQuestionmark, how did you partition it? i.e. what's on it besides /? I have / and /home on my 64G SSD and it's not even half full... |
| 17:49.28 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: show your filesystems in a pastebin, output of lsblk |
| 17:49.35 | xreal | tw-oic: the problem is, I don't have physical access to the server and I thought, I could start an installer from shell. |
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| 17:51.12 | tw-oic | xreal: you don't have a KVM or LOM you can attach? What is this, ovh? |
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| 17:51.33 | TheQuestionmark | frostschutz: The installer did the job for me, I just wanted /home to be on a HDD and everything having encryption. |
| 17:51.44 | xreal | tw-oic: it's a big i7 desktop, no actual paid server. |
| 17:51.49 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: http://cxg.de/_b57a7f.htm |
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| 17:53.08 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: how much free space do you have in /opt? |
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| 17:53.40 | jelly | I'd umount /opt, shrink the filesystem, shrink its LV, and grow / to a healthly 12-15GB |
| 17:54.07 | jelly | it's 9.3 already, so 15GB ought to be enough |
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| 17:55.24 | tw-oic | xreal: shrink one of the partitions, create a new part+fs, chroot, debootstrap, update existing /boot partition with new boot options. |
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| 17:56.30 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: But with /opt being unmounted, doesn't this makes me need a live system anyways? |
| 17:57.11 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: only if your some of your custom services or custom configuration actually use something in /opt |
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| 17:57.14 | TheQuestionmark | By the way, does having / being mounted across a HDD and SSD work anyways? |
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| 17:59.27 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: in other words, this can probably all be done online |
| 18:00.15 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Sounds good to me, there's also tons of free space on my HDD too. |
| 18:00.28 | TheQuestionmark | Just that I've never resized my filesystems like that. |
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| 18:01.00 | crusader-2004 | can someone help me to fix my broken psql client I get this errors |
| 18:01.15 | tw-oic | lvextend is my hero. |
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| 18:02.13 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: first, BACKUP. :-) Then, umount /opt, fsck -f /dev/mapper/Flash-home, resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/Flash-home 10G (or whatever new size), if that succeeds, lvresize -L 10G /dev/mapper/Flash-home, mount /opt ... that part is done |
| 18:02.18 | crusader-2004 | http://pastebin.com/i70rbdQt |
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| 18:03.38 | frostschutz | why is /opt named flash-home anyway ;) |
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| 18:03.58 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: So a full backup (with exception for $HOME which is located somewhere else anyways) is better in the end? |
| 18:04.03 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: only shrinking requires unmounting. Growing can be done online, so after that you can "lvresize -L 15G /dev/mapper/Flash-root" and further "resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/Flash-root" while it's mounted and stuff working. |
| 18:04.13 | frostschutz | TheQuestionmark, you should have backups anyway |
| 18:04.25 | TheQuestionmark | frostschutz: Magic. |
| 18:04.33 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: no, not in the end. It's a precaution. |
| 18:04.39 | jelly | ary measure. |
| 18:04.56 | TheQuestionmark | Good point. |
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| 18:05.45 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: growing lv and ext3-4 is often used and reasonably safe, it won't break. shrinking is used less often, and like all less exercised code, probably carries some risk |
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| 18:07.05 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: if you don't have a lot of data on /opt, you might as well cp -ax it all somewhere else, umount, completely delete that LV, and then grow /, make a new smaller LV and filesystem for /opt, and put things back |
| 18:07.11 | KTL | test |
| 18:07.11 | jelly | shrinking: avoided |
| 18:07.16 | jelly | KTL: failed. |
| 18:07.18 | TheQuestionmark | Judging by the output of 'mount', I'd need to backup /dev/mapper/Flash-root for being my 'sda1', right? |
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| 18:07.46 | KTL | wth ? /ame works on all channels?? |
| 18:07.56 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: I don't think so. Show the output of mount, please |
| 18:08.05 | TheQuestionmark | http://cxg.de/_83e44e.htm |
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| 18:08.54 | jelly | KTL: are you blushing right now? |
| 18:09.21 | KTL | euhm almost but it could be worse, just a few channels and no unicode-fest |
| 18:09.35 | Shinyu | Hey y'all i've got a network share issue i can't resolve tried updating my gvfs package, but didn't help much. I'm not sure what else to try |
| 18:09.44 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: I would just backup the files. It's cryptoroot so it's not like your boot data is on the lvol. |
| 18:10.40 | zlude | Hello! I'm trying to install Moodle 2.7.2+, but it's returning: "database postgres (8.2.9) version 9.1 is required and you are running 8.2.9" but... psql --version = "psql (PostgreSQL) 9.1.1", any ideas? |
| 18:11.29 | greycat | zlude: did you upgrade this system from something even older than Debian 6? |
| 18:12.36 | zlude | greycat, yes |
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| 18:13.06 | TheQuestionmark | tw-oic: So you'd do a plain a plain cp -r /dev/Flash-root /path/to/the/hdd? |
| 18:13.17 | greycat | zlude: you need to follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-9.1/README.Debian.gz to upgrade the database end |
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| 18:14.35 | greycat | zlude: and I've only done this from Debian 6->7 so I don't know if there's something else that needs to be done from 5->6->7 |
| 18:15.04 | kisak | I joined this channel because I thought I needed help, but the brick wall I ran into crumbled before I needed to type a question |
| 18:15.12 | tw-oic | I'd probably do a tar cvpsf /home/stuff.tar --xattr --selinux --acls --one-file-system / |
| 18:15.48 | TheQuestionmark | tw-oic: But /home is already on the larger drive? |
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| 18:16.34 | tw-oic | or similar rsync command (-avxXAP) |
| 18:16.49 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: exactly, --one-file-system prevents traversal onto other fses but root |
| 18:16.55 | tw-oic | same as rsync -x |
| 18:17.14 | tw-oic | (other filesystems but the starting filesystem) |
| 18:17.26 | frostschutz | -x makes it skip things... alternative is mount --bind / /mnt/whatwhere and then copy /mnt/whatwhere entire |
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| 18:18.21 | tw-oic | skip things like what? |
| 18:18.51 | frostschutz | anything below other mounts. mountpoints. static /dev nodes sometimes needed during boot. stuff and things |
| 18:18.51 | tw-oic | he only wants to back up the one filesystem. |
| 18:18.52 | TheQuestionmark | So your command basically would put everything from / with exclusion for /home onto $HOME/backup.tar? |
| 18:19.00 | tw-oic | Oh. |
| 18:19.03 | tw-oic | I see what you mean.\ |
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| 18:19.13 | tw-oic | it misses stuff under mounts. |
| 18:20.01 | tw-oic | then tar will too. you'll have to do the bind-magic first. |
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| 18:22.01 | joevandyk | how can i build/install this? https://github.com/Shopify/prlimit |
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| 18:23.10 | TheQuestionmark | tw-oic: Like 'tar cvpsf --xattr --selinux --acls --one-file-system / /home/me/backup.tar' ? |
| 18:23.24 | TheQuestionmark | never was good at long commands. |
| 18:23.25 | keith4 | joevandyk: why do you want to build it? |
| 18:23.39 | tw-oic | You need to bind mount first. also / (source) has to be after f |
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| 18:24.10 | jordanm | joevandyk: there isn't enough there to build it |
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| 18:24.16 | jordanm | joevandyk: but usually git-buildpackage |
| 18:24.16 | keith4 | joevandyk: you clone it and use the makefile |
| 18:24.17 | atannus | I just noticed there's an rsa key in my /root/.ssh directory; Is this expected? Why is it there? |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | actually it should be -f /home/me/backup.tar |
| 18:24.38 | greycat | and the / would be last |
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| 18:24.51 | keith4 | atannus: created by ssh-keygen probably |
| 18:24.53 | percY-work | Anyone know a retailer in the US that carries these cables ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Slim-Flat-Left-Angled-90-D-Mini-SAS-36pin-SFF-8087-to-8087-Data-Raid-Cable-/251679335290?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item3a9941e37a |
| 18:25.14 | keith4 | percY-work: this has what to do with Debian? |
| 18:25.17 | joevandyk | keith4: ah, right, i though there was a debian-specific way, but it looks like that's included in the makefile |
| 18:25.30 | joevandyk | keith4: i need the prlimit command on a machine that doesn't have it |
| 18:25.38 | joevandyk | and the util-linux package doesn't contain it |
| 18:25.40 | atannus | keith4: Should I be worried? I'm sure I didn't create it, and it means someone can remotely log in as root, does it not? |
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| 18:26.04 | atannus | keith4: It may be something done by my host, since this is a vm insance, but I'm not sure... |
| 18:26.14 | keith4 | atannus: no, it does not mean that |
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| 18:26.27 | TheQuestionmark | tw-oic: Guess I gonna eat something first... by now, I saw so many ways from you guys, it gets confusing when not being used to it :> |
| 18:26.49 | atannus | keith4: ok... |
| 18:27.10 | keith4 | joevandyk: looks like that makefile will download the source package, check the md5sum of it, and build it for you |
| 18:27.32 | keith4 | atannus: unless there's an authorized_keys file in there... |
| 18:27.38 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: there's no mention of sda1 in your mount output. |
| 18:28.00 | TheQuestionmark | Yea... I realized that as well, jelly. |
| 18:28.07 | atannus | keith4: that is what I meant... |
| 18:28.28 | keith4 | atannus: what's the "user@host" at the end of the entry? |
| 18:28.35 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: It's probably /dev/mapper/Flash-root as that's mounted as / |
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| 18:28.44 | atannus | keith4: "Parent Child key for CZR6MU" |
| 18:28.51 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: it is definitely that. |
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| 18:29.17 | keith4 | atannus: does "CZR6MU" hold any meaning for you? |
| 18:29.22 | atannus | Nope... |
| 18:29.43 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: So again, backing up this file would be enough, wouldn't it? |
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| 18:29.46 | atannus | remote root login is disabled in this box too, so I'm not too worried... |
| 18:29.54 | keith4 | atannus: "disabled"? |
| 18:30.07 | atannus | keith4: you can't login as root... |
| 18:30.16 | keith4 | why not? |
| 18:30.29 | atannus | That's the default setting, is it not? |
| 18:30.43 | jordanm | no |
| 18:30.45 | atannus | You must login via a non-root account and become root (or sudo)... |
| 18:30.55 | jordanm | that's not the debian default |
| 18:30.55 | atannus | let me check... |
| 18:31.04 | keith4 | what's PermitRootLogin set to? |
| 18:31.06 | jordanm | it may be your hosting provider's default |
| 18:31.56 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: no, not really. As stated before, the only serious risk comes to /opt since it needs to be shrunk, or backed up, remade smaller and restored. |
| 18:32.04 | atannus | Nope, I cannot login to root@ via ssh... |
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| 18:32.19 | atannus | I thought that was standard Debian behavior... |
| 18:32.23 | keith4 | nope |
| 18:32.27 | atannus | (Since 7 at least...) |
| 18:32.28 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: root LV and filesystem only need to be grown, and that's a safe procedure barring human error |
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| 18:33.02 | keith4 | atannus: I think the part you're missing, that we're hinting at, is that it's possible to configure sshd to "allow login via keys, but not password" |
| 18:33.13 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: So I can drop the backup plans? |
| 18:33.29 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: howEVER, making a backup of the whole OS is always a good idea before doing filesystem management precisely _because_ of the possibility of human error |
| 18:33.34 | atannus | keith4: Well, no, I was pretty sure I could not login as root at all. |
| 18:33.42 | keith4 | <keith4> what's PermitRootLogin set to? |
| 18:34.01 | jmcnaught | TheQuestionmark: really you should have a backup anyways. And don't forget to test that it can be restored properly. |
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| 18:35.16 | atannus | keith4: not set at all (/etc/ssh/ssh_config) |
| 18:35.30 | atannus | keith4: is there somewhere it can be overriden? |
| 18:35.42 | TheQuestionmark | Well, by now I can't think straight of it anyways. |
| 18:35.49 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: if it were me, and the personal data was already backed up, I'd just cp -ax /opt someplace, then nuke it, grow root LV and filesystem, then recreate opt LV and filesystem and mount it, or restore data directly to root's /opt directorty |
| 18:35.56 | atannus | keith4: ah! sshd_config... |
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| 18:36.21 | atannus | keith4: PermitRootLogin yes |
| 18:36.22 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: how much data do you have on /opt anyway? |
| 18:36.29 | keith4 | atannus: so you're absolutely wrong |
| 18:36.53 | atannus | keith4: That's the place where I turn remote root login off, then? |
| 18:37.23 | atannus | If I set that to no, I'm locking any root@ login attemts out, which renders that key effectively useless, correct? |
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| 18:38.04 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Err... about 20k? |
| 18:38.14 | TheQuestionmark | k as in kilobytes. |
| 18:38.19 | marioxcc | hello, how can install only the dependencies of a package but not the package itself? |
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| 18:38.40 | nkuttler | marioxcc: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:41.55 | x0fis | hi. what is aptitude parameter for test install which doesn't change any files on disk? I cannot find it. |
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| 18:42.15 | greycat | Install the package, then remove the package. The dependencies will still be there, as long as you don't let apt/whatever remove the dependencies. |
| 18:42.15 | x0fis | or apt parameter |
| 18:42.41 | greycat | (that was for marioxcc not x0fis) |
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| 18:43.26 | x0fis | greycat: yep, I know |
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| 18:44.28 | marioxcc | greycat: ok, thanks. is there a cleaner way? |
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| 18:44.34 | nkuttler | x0fis: doesn't aptitude have --simulate? |
| 18:46.18 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: potentially just umount /opt, remove from /etc/fstab, delete the /opt lvol, extend / lvol? |
| 18:46.19 | x0fis | nkuttler: yes, thanx |
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| 18:49.31 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: and your command sequence should look something like this http://pastebin.com/CRk15gP3 |
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| 18:50.09 | TheQuestionmark | tw-oic: I'm confused at the extension part of / since I'd need /opt again afterwards, wouldn't I? |
| 18:50.22 | tw-oic | It's empty you said? |
| 18:50.31 | tw-oic | 20kb? |
| 18:50.39 | TheQuestionmark | Yup. |
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| 18:51.47 | tw-oic | opt is for ISV distributed packages that don't typically fall into the standard linux path scheme. |
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| 18:52.19 | tw-oic | if you don't plan on installing matlab or clearcase or whatever, you don't need to worry about opt. debian packages pretty much never install to there. |
| 18:52.31 | tw-oic | the directory will still be there, but empty. |
| 18:52.37 | TheQuestionmark | Okay. |
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| 18:54.03 | TheQuestionmark | What would be however, if I just symlink /var/cache/apt to some location inside $HOME ? |
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| 18:59.09 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: 20k? just cp -ax /opt /opt-new, then umount it |
| 18:59.28 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: you don't need a separate mount point for that |
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| 19:01.29 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: you can symlink /var/cache/apt fairly safely. But you still need to free disk anyway, and your /opt is eating disk for no reason at all. May as well fix it. |
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| 19:01.42 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: are there actually any files in /opt directory apart from lost+found subdir? |
| 19:02.09 | TheQuestionmark | Well then, it's umount now. |
| 19:02.13 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: there will be no reason to move /var/cache/apt once you reclaim the space used by /opy |
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| 19:02.47 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: alright then, now carefully close the LV, lvchange -an /dev/mapper/Flash-home |
| 19:03.00 | keith4 | atannus: yes. but if you suspect that's for your hosting provider (like if they have some sort of dashboard where you can control the VPS), then you might want to ask them about breaking the ssh key access first |
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| 19:04.02 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Doing just that command? But my programs are writing things to $HOME, aren't they? Like Pidgin and my mail client. |
| 19:04.18 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: but they're not writing to that LV. |
| 19:04.26 | jelly | that LV was used just for /opt |
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| 19:05.25 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: after that, run "vgs", note the amount of free space (last column), then delete the LV with "lvremove /dev/mapper/Flash-home" and run "vgs" again |
| 19:06.06 | TheQuestionmark | You mean the zero below VFree? |
| 19:06.17 | TheQuestionmark | Flash 1 3 0 wz--n- 59,38g 0 |
| 19:06.37 | jelly | yes. |
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| 19:07.59 | TheQuestionmark | Woohoo! ~49G of free space for no reason? |
| 19:08.38 | jelly | yes. Courtesy of silly debian installer's space allocation |
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| 19:09.25 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: now you can give your root a healthy 20G, which seems enough for common desktop or laptop debian with GUI |
| 19:09.40 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: lvresize -L 20G /dev/mapper/Flash-root |
| 19:09.50 | TheQuestionmark | I'm still confused about the whole lvs but alright. |
| 19:10.05 | TheQuestionmark | Probably it was just too much of a rough day for me. |
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| 19:10.23 | TheQuestionmark | That's it, right? |
| 19:10.26 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: order is important. Now that you have free space, you can first grow LV, then resize the filesystem inside it |
| 19:10.28 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: no. |
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| 19:10.43 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: final step, resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/Flash-root |
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| 19:11.17 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: you can run df -h before and after that (and during!) |
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| 19:12.05 | TheQuestionmark | So Flash-home in my case is basically the important stuff for my 'sda1' which is the SSD? |
| 19:12.17 | TheQuestionmark | Excluding home and opt. |
| 19:12.30 | tw-oic | jelly: any reason you didn't recommend just -l 100%FREE ? |
| 19:12.36 | jelly | tw-oic: yes. |
| 19:12.53 | tw-oic | I'll wait for you to finish before re-asking. |
| 19:12.58 | tw-oic | to avoid confusion |
| 19:13.31 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: df -h ought to show some 10G free space on / now |
| 19:14.03 | TheQuestionmark | Pretty much.- |
| 19:14.12 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: cleanup: since /opt does not exist as a separate mount point any more, remove the line for /opt from /etc/fstab |
| 19:14.37 | jelly | (else the OS would be really unhappy on next reboot) |
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| 19:15.25 | TheQuestionmark | What does happen with /opt now? |
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| 19:15.39 | TheQuestionmark | Become just another dir inside that Flash-root? |
| 19:15.41 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: it's just a plain directory on the / filesystem now |
| 19:15.45 | greycat | once you've done everything jelly said, /opt is just a plain old directory in the root file system |
| 19:15.47 | TheQuestionmark | I see. |
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| 19:16.21 | TheQuestionmark | Thanks that should do the trick. |
| 19:16.31 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: if there were anything useful saved in /opt-new, you'd move those contents to /opt at this point |
| 19:16.47 | TheQuestionmark | I admit I didn't got all the details and was highly in need of your help but thanks for having that time. |
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| 19:17.12 | jelly | well, the important thing to remember... LVM is Magic |
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| 19:17.51 | TheQuestionmark | In the way of its flexibility, yea... |
| 19:18.14 | TheQuestionmark | Just didn't got the all the complexity of the whole process myself at the moment :/ |
| 19:18.54 | jelly | tw-oic: as for why not take all the space, that's precisely what landed TheQuestionmark in this situation. It's very easy to extend LVs and filesystems when needed. It's hard, sometimes impossible to shrink them. |
| 19:19.25 | jelly | so keep free space unallocated in that VG until it's really needed |
| 19:20.09 | TheQuestionmark | After all it sounds like that small SSD of mine to handle it's space better when /opt doesn't has its own independent LV. |
| 19:20.09 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: if you had partitions instead of LVM, you'd have been forced to boot a livecd to manipulate them |
| 19:20.25 | TheQuestionmark | Probably. |
| 19:20.39 | TheQuestionmark | That's why I had the idea of firing up some LiveCD. |
| 19:20.52 | jelly | possibly have to backup, reformat, and restore stuff |
| 19:21.03 | TheQuestionmark | Because I wasn't used to the way such things are done with LVM. |
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| 19:21.26 | jelly | well, at least now you have an idea of what can be done |
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| 19:22.02 | jelly | (also, you now have enough space to ruin the system with wheezy->jessie ;-) |
| 19:22.03 | TheQuestionmark | Yup, thanks for that, jelly. |
| 19:22.32 | TheQuestionmark | I sure hope it's not that extreme, I mean Mint and Ubuntu are using Testing as a base as well. |
| 19:22.43 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: it might be nice to reboot at this point to confirm the machine is actually still bootable |
| 19:22.49 | marioxcc | Hello |
| 19:23.04 | atannus | keith4: Yeah, I figured that... I've contacted them, let's see what they say. Thanks. |
| 19:23.17 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: we're at that point in debian release process when testing is going to become rather messy |
| 19:23.25 | marioxcc | for a netboot loaded directly from GRUB; will the kernel arguments replace those specified in initrd preseed.cfg? |
| 19:23.31 | tw-oic | TheQuestionmark: before you spend 6 hrs trying to figure out why jessie bricked your system when it was your resize's fault. |
| 19:23.43 | jelly | Just before freeze, everyone trying to push in the last few packages, or so I'm told |
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| 19:24.31 | jelly | tw-oic: I've done growing ext3-ext4 online on servers a lot, it pretty much works |
| 19:24.32 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: Sounds bad but since I'd love to have a newer glibc for certain games, I can't help myself but have to upgrade :/ |
| 19:24.50 | TheQuestionmark | 2.13 is quite outdated. |
| 19:25.12 | jelly | steam games are often built with ubuntu's 2.15 glibc in mind |
| 19:25.17 | TheQuestionmark | And even so, the game I'd like to play still needs newer libsdl. |
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| 19:25.25 | jelly | s/in mind// |
| 19:25.30 | TheQuestionmark | It's not on Steam though. |
| 19:25.32 | tw-oic | jelly: I've never had a problem with ext4 online resize either, but y'never can tell =/ |
| 19:25.37 | tw-oic | even shrinking. |
| 19:25.47 | TheQuestionmark | It's a standalone that was probably compiled against Ubuntu's standards. |
| 19:26.21 | jelly | shrinking can be a pain, and very very slow, seen reports of 4x slower than doing a backup, reformat and restore |
| 19:27.00 | TheQuestionmark | I'd either have to upgrade or to switch distros which is even more of a pain to me. |
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| 19:29.39 | greycat | Depending on how often you play these games, and kernel/userland compatibility, installing testing in a chroot may be an option. |
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| 19:31.18 | TheQuestionmark | greycat: Never done that, does that work with 3D stuff as well? How hard is it? :/ |
| 19:31.58 | tw-oic | yes, not hard. |
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| 19:32.35 | jelly | not too easy either, and Xorg server <-> userspace incompatibility may be an issue |
| 19:32.59 | jelly | and if you're running X from chroot, you might as well upgrade the whole thing |
| 19:33.30 | TheQuestionmark | Then it's rather not worth trying? |
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| 19:33.42 | TheQuestionmark | Because right now, I'm over downloading packages. |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | For me, if this is just a desktop PC, inside a firewall, and not critical if it goes down for a little while, running testing should be fine. |
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| 19:35.25 | TheQuestionmark | greycat: Well, mainly a gamer's computer who however is fine with Stable as well, except that he's playing with spoiled Arch guys who always use to have more recent libs for games that won't work on Wheezy. |
| 19:35.47 | TheQuestionmark | My laptops and servers and my Pi can still stay stable but old libs sure stink for games. |
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| 19:40.16 | niteye | hello, one day i log on to my computer and sound no longer works (it did before and no config change has been done), what can be the cause? i booted in windows and it works fine there so it's not a physical problem, it's also not muted or anything in linux |
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| 19:41.42 | KTL | niteye, if you have alsamixer, try to switch between sound cards with f6, try muting and unmuting random stuff :) |
| 19:42.13 | ToApolytoXaos | niteye: are you using pulseaudio? |
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| 19:42.45 | niteye | i have both installed i think, i try to use alsa as much as possible because it works better on my system |
| 19:42.48 | FlowRiser | Does somebody know how to install JUST the intel compiler and no other software on Debian ? |
| 19:44.10 | niteye | in alsamixer there is an item called "auto-mute mode" which is enabled that i dont konw what it does or how to disable it |
| 19:44.23 | greycat | FlowRiser: You'd still need build-essential to pull in libc6-dev and other good things. |
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| 19:44.24 | KTL | FlowRiser, was it pulseaudio for which you need an additional configuration tool? i remember there was something like that |
| 19:44.36 | ToApolytoXaos | niteye: i have installed pavucontrol and saved my butt from nightmares with sound. i can finally control things the way i want to with my audio card. |
| 19:44.50 | KTL | nitefall, press m in alsamixer |
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| 19:45.25 | KTL | yes! pavucontrol! that audiotool from hell! |
| 19:45.44 | ToApolytoXaos | KTL: it works fine with me |
| 19:45.50 | niteye | is installing pavucontrol |
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| 19:45.57 | FlowRiser | greycat, KTL, I need it for some University research project; They use intel compiler because it handles floating point operation faster (or so they said) |
| 19:46.12 | KTL | yes if you know it exists! i did not know, my sound was gone, tried everything, eventually stumbled on pavucontrol |
| 19:46.30 | greycat | I don't know the specific details about installing that package, but you should be able to drop it in place as long as it matches the libraries on your version of Debian. |
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| 19:46.52 | FlowRiser | I got an install of their site, but it is so big 7.4 Gb ... and all I need is the compiler not the whole suite of IDEs |
| 19:47.30 | niteye | well i installed pavucontrol and clicked something that was muted there and now it works again! so i agree pavucontrol is the shit :p |
| 19:47.34 | KTL | FlowRiser, one problem is calling the right binary ... the other problem is getting all the include-paths ok... because compilers come with their own headers for C/C++ iirc |
| 19:47.45 | KTL | (and you don't want to mix) |
| 19:47.52 | greycat | KTL: no, the headers are in libc6-dev and so on |
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| 19:48.13 | greycat | but it sounds like his actual question at this point is "where do I download it" |
| 19:48.21 | KTL | niteye, great, now tattoo that on your arm :) |
| 19:48.41 | FlowRiser | greycat, exactly O.o I cannot find anything on just the compiler |
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| 19:52.14 | fersingb | hi there |
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| 19:53.52 | fersingb | I have bash 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3 installed but a security scan with lynis reported that my current bash is vulnerable to shellshock |
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| 19:54.19 | greycat | Most likely this "scan" is flawed. |
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| 19:54.46 | fersingb | When I try bash -c "f() { x() { _;}; x() { _;} <<a; }" it segfaults, which is supposedly not good |
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| 19:55.10 | greycat | That's not an exploitable security issue. It's just a plain old bug. |
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| 19:55.36 | hurdos | Hello |
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| 19:57.24 | ghormoon | how does fakeroot work when building debian package from source? does it apply debian/patches to some temp sources, or directly to the source files? (i.e. do I need to redwnload the sources when I've run it once and I need to disable one of the patches?) |
| 19:57.35 | hurdos | I'm in MSK time zone that was in utc +4, it is utc +3 after 26 oct. How to modify it? |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | hurdos: it should do that for you already |
| 19:58.03 | valdyn | ghormoon: fakeroot has nothing to do with that part |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | hurdos: do you have 'ntp' installed and running? |
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| 19:58.14 | ghormoon | valdyn: what does then? |
| 19:58.39 | hurdos | abrotman: I'm using ntpdate to confirm time |
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| 19:58.59 | ghormoon | I'm reading this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
| 19:59.01 | hurdos | but it make correction for utc +4 :( |
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| 19:59.30 | twanny796 | how do I make a service start at startup, something similar to chkconfig??? |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | hurdos: not ntpdate |
| 19:59.49 | abrotman | hurdos: 'ntp' |
| 20:00.23 | greycat | I'm not sure whether hurdos is saying that his national government changed the definition of his country's time zone, or if it's just a daylight savings switch. |
| 20:00.30 | valdyn | ghormoon: fakeroot debian/rules clean should clean up, I dont know about any rule that enforces a specific way as to how that is supposed to happen |
| 20:00.58 | hurdos | abrotman: Did you mean ntp daemon? |
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| 20:01.33 | abrotman | hurdos: yes |
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| 20:01.54 | ghormoon | valdyn: i know about clena, but it didn;t seem to help ... maybe the patches are aready applied when i download apt-get source package? |
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| 20:02.27 | valdyn | ghormoon: fakeroot is just to fool programs that store permissions and owner in an archive (like tar) |
| 20:03.08 | valdyn | ghormoon: the debian diff.gz is applied that is all, when you use apt-get source |
| 20:03.45 | ghormoon | valdyn: I'm trying now to redownload and do the changes before building it, let's see if it works (I need to build xen on jessie with qemu-dm, it's disabled by one of the patches) |
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| 20:04.09 | hurdos | abrotman: I installed it right now |
| 20:04.26 | valdyn | ghormoon: im not sure what the policy sais about this. In any case this is probably a corner where bug reports are rarely done and errors rarely are even noticed |
| 20:05.01 | hurdos | abrotman: What should I do with it? |
| 20:05.15 | ghormoon | valdyn: I don't get what you mean ... it's disabled on purpose, but i need it :) |
| 20:05.31 | abrotman | hurdos: start it is a good thing to do |
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| 20:05.59 | greycat | I'm still not sure what the question is, and also, TZ=MSK date is not recognized on wheezy for me (I just get UTC) |
| 20:06.21 | hurdos | abrotman: it was started but time is still on utc +4 |
| 20:06.29 | greycat | hurdos: what does "date" actually say? |
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| 20:07.10 | hurdos | greycat: СÑ. окÑ. 29 00:06:44 MSK 2014 |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | hurdos: which OS is this? |
| 20:07.24 | hurdos | but real time is 23:06 |
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| 20:07.48 | hurdos | abrotman: mint 16 |
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| 20:07.55 | greycat | sighs |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | hurdos: you're in the wrong channel, we can't help you with Mint |
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| 20:08.16 | vook | what happened to refit and/or gptsync? I'm not seeing it in the repo's in Jessie. |
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| 20:08.24 | abrotman | hurdos: Mint has their own support channel, and their own set of problems |
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| 20:08.30 | hurdos | abrotman: it is using debian repos |
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| 20:09.00 | hurdos | abrotman: ok, try ask in mint channel |
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| 20:09.26 | greycat | !tell hurdos about mint |
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| 20:13.54 | marioxcc | Hello |
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| 20:14.20 | marioxcc | how can I see if Debian has installed drivers for my CD-ROM/DVD reader? |
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| 20:14.54 | greycat | Easiest way would be to try to mount a data CD. |
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| 20:15.27 | greycat | e.g. as root, mkdir -p /foo && mount /dev/cdrom /foo |
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| 20:18.54 | jelly-home | KTL: btw, which person on which channel on which network did suggest to try /ame ? |
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| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | trying to track that troll |
| 20:19.57 | KTL | he did not suggest it :) he mentioned it because someone else did it :) |
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| 20:23.13 | jelly-home | yes, and I can't track the source if you don't disclose it |
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| 20:25.11 | guardian | hello, beginner question: which should I favor? aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:25.22 | DammitJim | I am looking at lsof -p <pid> |
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| 20:25.45 | DammitJim | is it normal to see about 15 lines that are the same for the same file handle for 1 java pid? |
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| 20:26.07 | mtn | guardian: does not matter. they both work. |
| 20:26.12 | nkuttler | guardian: check the release notes, whatever is recommended atm |
| 20:26.36 | guardian | nkuttler: the release notes of what? debian itself? do you have a link? |
| 20:27.19 | marioxcc | greycat: thanks. I found that the /proc FS offers the information that I looked for. |
| 20:27.32 | nkuttler | guardian: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes, though that only matters during upgrades |
| 20:27.42 | guardian | ok |
| 20:27.44 | guardian | thank you |
| 20:27.45 | jelly-home | !tell guardian about why aptitude |
| 20:27.48 | jelly-home | !tell guardian about why not aptitude |
| 20:27.59 | mtn | nice and simple :P |
| 20:28.13 | KTL | !tell KTL about why not aptitude |
| 20:28.18 | itsfortybelow | Should I worry about this? http://pastie.org/private/frp1bcokzit9pfmbzbfhq |
| 20:28.20 | nkuttler | !tell KTL about selftell |
| 20:28.25 | jelly-home | nkuttler: the release notes recommend tools for specific release upgrade purpose, not for general use |
| 20:28.38 | nkuttler | jelly-home: that's what i said |
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| 20:29.11 | KTL | what if i didn't know who was the bot in here?:p |
| 20:29.27 | jelly-home | KTL: well, you know now! |
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| 20:31.14 | guardian | so? |
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| 20:36.48 | Mastiti | Hello all. I have come to understand that to install Debian on a hppa machine (hp c8000 workstation) it has to be done with a serial cable to use as install console, only. Is it true that it can not be done with an attached monitor+keyboard? |
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| 20:37.31 | daemonkeeper | hppa? :D |
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| 20:37.39 | daemonkeeper | When did Debian drop that, in Lenny? |
| 20:39.08 | Mastiti | daemonkeeper: it is an unofficial Debian, I got it from their site, a june 2014 build cd iso image. But from what I see, they say the c8000 is supported, but all mention the serial cable for the console. |
| 20:39.47 | abrotman | thought there was a parisc channel ? |
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| 20:40.00 | ghormoon | has anyone tried rebuilding xen package with qemu-dm? |
| 20:40.07 | greycat | /msg dpkg hppa |
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| 20:40.11 | abrotman | ah, nope |
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| 20:42.37 | d3lphi | I'd like to install the latest sssd version (I think it's 1.10.x) on my Wheezy machine. Funnily enough, I don't even find any sssd package in wheezy-backports,jessie,or sid... only 8.4.2 is in wheezy. Why ? |
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| 20:44.33 | valdyn | d3lphi: it is in jessie and sid |
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| 20:44.59 | valdyn | judd: versions sssd |
| 20:45.00 | judd | Package: sssd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.1-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.8.4-2; sid: 1.11.7-1; jessie: 1.11.7-1 |
| 20:45.01 | d3lphi | valdyn: oh ok, I did mistype in the package/debian search. I see |
| 20:45.13 | d3lphi | but: will I be able to use sssd 1.10.x in Wheezy ? |
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| 20:45.38 | valdyn | d3lphi: i dont know |
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| 20:46.11 | d3lphi | anyone can tell me, if somehow I can install sssd version minimum 1.10.x to a Wheezy host? |
| 20:46.23 | valdyn | d3lphi: try it yourself, backport it, install it |
| 20:46.27 | greycat | d3lphi: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:47.07 | d3lphi | greycat: how can I search if it's available in debian-backports? |
| 20:47.16 | valdyn | d3lphi: it isnt available in backports |
| 20:47.19 | greycat | /msg dpkg debian-backports (that's what those <words> mean) |
| 20:47.23 | valdyn | d3lphi: judd would have listed it |
| 20:47.28 | d3lphi | and for my understanding: is debian-backports something like wheezy-backports which I can add to my sources.list and install with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports packagename" ? |
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| 20:48.09 | valdyn | d3lphi: not exactly, you can also backport something yourself |
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| 20:50.45 | thoonai | heyho |
| 20:50.59 | thoonai | is there a specialized gnupg-channel? |
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| 20:51.52 | heurist` | thoonai: /msg alis list *gnupg* will search for channels #gnupg |
| 20:52.38 | thoonai | alis or alias? |
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| 20:52.56 | d3lphi | I added the backports for jessie in my sources.list, but I don't know how to activate it. The dpkg irc help here said: "2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)" but how ? |
| 20:53.04 | thoonai | heurist`: great thanks :) |
| 20:53.06 | heurist` | thoonai: alis |
| 20:53.15 | greycat | d3lphi: all of the <foo> things mean "/msg dpkg foo" |
| 20:53.50 | d3lphi | greycat: I did, and I checked the http link, but no information found on how to activate my recently added jessie backport source |
| 20:54.32 | Froolad | I don't think I have foo installed |
| 20:54.48 | greycat | d3lphi: if you've updated sources.list, then next step is "apt-get update" |
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| 20:55.04 | d3lphi | greycat: apt-get update brought an error ... |
| 20:55.07 | mtn | Froolad: I bet you have lots of foo installed |
| 20:55.16 | d3lphi | 406 not acceptable |
| 20:55.35 | heurist` | d3lphi: there is no jessie backports. you need wheezy-backports |
| 20:55.42 | heurist` | dpkg: tell d3lphi -about wheezy-backports |
| 20:56.28 | d3lphi | heurist`: well, the sssd package I am looking for is unfortunately NOT included in wheezy-backports. That's why I am trying to create an own port according the instructions of the dpkg bot here |
| 20:56.32 | d3lphi | I am getting http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/source/Sources 503 Service Unavailable |
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| 20:56.58 | greycat | debian.net? shouldn't that be debian.org? |
| 20:57.07 | thoonai | I want to encrypt some files and am not sure how to handle the recipient stuff with their pub-keys |
| 20:57.12 | d3lphi | I got this information when /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:57.31 | d3lphi | and /msg dpkg deb-src jessie |
| 20:57.32 | valdyn | thoonai: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 20:58.12 | thoonai | valdyn: I want to encrypt/decrypt some files with the public keys from some people |
| 20:58.25 | valdyn | thoonai: and...? |
| 20:58.37 | heurist` | d3lphi: the ssb message said to use deb-src sid |
| 20:59.17 | thoonai | valdyn: and I'm wondering about: alice% gpg --output doc.gpg --encrypt --recipient blake@cyb.org doc |
| 20:59.33 | d3lphi | heurist`: no, he said to me: "You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the jessie release is: "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list." |
| 21:00.06 | valdyn | thoonai: is there an error message? |
| 21:00.32 | thoonai | valdyn: If "--recipient blake@cyb.org" searches for the right pub key, then I have to set up a database with email<->pub keys pairs? |
| 21:00.44 | greycat | d3lphi: well in any case, if this line doesn't work, remove it. |
| 21:00.54 | valdyn | thoonai: it can look for the key on keyservers too |
| 21:00.59 | heurist` | d3lphi: that is what deb-src jessie says, but the ssb message did not tell you to ask about deb-src jessie. |
| 21:01.04 | heurist` | dpkg: tell d3lphi -about ssb |
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| 21:01.09 | thoonai | valdyn: something I dont want ;) |
| 21:01.16 | valdyn | thoonai: but you should have such a database yes |
| 21:01.52 | valdyn | thoonai: in reality people give you fingerprints, because they are short and you verify the pub key from a random keyserver with that fingerprint |
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| 21:02.21 | valdyn | thoonai: but of course people can give you the complete public key too |
| 21:02.39 | thoonai | valdyn: ok this sucks, I'd like it more to have the pubkeys and encrypt with --pubkey anonymous.key.pub |
| 21:02.49 | d3lphi | heurist`: then you should teach dpkg not to reply at /msg dpkg deb-src jessie ;) but however, I get the same error when using the deb-src sid when doing apt-get update :( |
| 21:02.56 | heurist` | thoonai: if you do not have people's pub keys you can encrypt with --symmetric to just use a password. but then you need to somehow give them the password. |
| 21:03.20 | heurist` | d3lphi: pastebin your sources.list |
| 21:03.31 | thoonai | heurist`: This sucks too :/ |
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| 21:03.34 | greycat | has no idea why the bot has http.debian.net for these two factoids |
| 21:03.59 | heurist` | thoonai: life is full of suck. make do. |
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| 21:04.08 | thoonai | heurist`: :/ |
| 21:04.11 | marioxcc | thoonai: use GNU PG |
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| 21:04.24 | heurist` | dpkg: tell greycat -about http.debian.net |
| 21:04.29 | valdyn | thoonai: why does it suck? |
| 21:04.32 | d3lphi | heurist`: http://paste.debian.net/129144/ |
| 21:04.37 | thoonai | marioxcc: ? |
| 21:05.01 | d3lphi | dpkg: tell d3lphi -about http.debian.net |
| 21:05.17 | jelly-home | d3lphi: use /msg dpkg stuff, next time |
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| 21:05.34 | thoonai | valdyn: because I don't want to send password around. Its the idea behind my idea not to send anything around |
| 21:05.35 | valdyn | thoonai: just use the provided key "database" |
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| 21:05.51 | valdyn | thoonai: no one asked you to send passwords around |
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| 21:06.17 | thoonai | heurist`s idea somehow implicated this ... |
| 21:06.19 | heurist` | d3lphi: maybe that mirror is down. use your normal mirror instead deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 21:06.39 | d3lphi | heurist`: let me try... |
| 21:06.40 | thoonai | valdyn: ok so I have to set up my own keyserver? ^^ |
| 21:06.46 | valdyn | thoonai: you dont really have a problem.. just use gnupg --add-key, then you can use that key |
| 21:07.01 | valdyn | thoonai: no, your "key database" is just a directory with file(s) |
| 21:07.59 | d3lphi | heurist`: same error, damn it! :( see pastebin here ==> http://paste.debian.net/129145/ |
| 21:08.24 | thoonai | so if I want to encrypt data on the fly, I have to add the keys on every system I am and delete them afterwards? |
| 21:08.43 | thoonai | is there an alternative to gnupg? |
| 21:09.10 | valdyn | thoonai: sounds like you are using gpg on systems you dont trust |
| 21:09.13 | d3lphi | but to come back, what "dpkg" initially told me to do ==> "1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs." So I think I have to fulfill step 2) first, before I do the apt-get update. That was my initially question |
| 21:09.19 | thoonai | I'm not sure about using openssl because of the latest security breaches |
| 21:09.21 | valdyn | thoonai: that totally defeats the purpose |
| 21:09.28 | heurist` | d3lphi: those errors are for stable, they have nothing to do the changes you made to add sid. |
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| 21:10.00 | d3lphi | heurist`: that means my "apt-get update" is successfully processed for allowing to continue with the ssb stuff ? |
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| 21:10.32 | heurist` | d3lphi: no, it means you have other errors, and should sort them out first. |
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| 21:10.53 | thoonai | valdyn: yeah, I'm too lazy to add the public keys on every system (a lot of workstations, the server(s) and my personal machines (3)) |
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| 21:11.31 | d3lphi | heurist`: can you tell me how step 2) looks like? How do I enable the debian-backorts described on the instruction list ? |
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| 21:11.32 | valdyn | thoonai: what are you really trying to do with this? |
| 21:11.37 | spaceone | how can i download the source of a package ? |
| 21:11.56 | mtn | d3lphi: you should not use the word stable in your sources. use wheezy instead |
| 21:12.08 | d3lphi | spaceone: I am not sure, but iirc with "apt-get source ..." |
| 21:12.42 | thoonai | valdyn: I'm building a little script which allows a group of people to encrypt data so you need everytime at least 2 people but noone of the group can veto to decrypt the data |
| 21:12.48 | heurist` | thoonai: if you want to encrypt data to someone you need their public key, or you need to use a shared password. there is no need to remove the public keys from the machines. you should not encrypt data on machines you do not trust. |
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| 21:13.25 | valdyn | thoonai: good luck with that |
| 21:13.32 | valdyn | thoonai: not possible I think |
| 21:13.42 | d3lphi | mtn: thanks for that hint! that was the cuplrit. But could you explain please, why "stable" doesn't work any more? I remember to used that word in the past years |
| 21:14.01 | heurist` | d3lphi: see the wheezy-backports factoid the bot sent you a while back. |
| 21:14.15 | thoonai | heurist`: its more my laziness though that I dont want to add the keys on every system ;) |
| 21:14.22 | mtn | d3lphi: it was never a good idea to use stable, when the new stable comes along you will automatically be running it! |
| 21:14.25 | thoonai | valdyn: y? |
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| 21:14.29 | valdyn | thoonai: not possible unless you store multiple copies |
| 21:14.30 | heurist` | thoonai: I can not help you with your laziness. |
| 21:14.38 | thoonai | valdyn: that was my plan |
| 21:14.43 | d3lphi | mtn: oh ok, so in future I remember *not* to use "stable" but the release name instead, right? |
| 21:14.52 | mtn | d3lphi: yes, indeed |
| 21:14.59 | thoonai | heurist`: I guess I'd have to set up my own keyserver |
| 21:15.04 | d3lphi | mtn: thanks for that explanation |
| 21:15.15 | spaceone | d3lphi: thanks, worked great |
| 21:15.21 | d3lphi | heurist`: well, now the apt-get update works fine, even with the deb-src jessie |
| 21:15.23 | heurist` | d3lphi: if you use "stable" then you will get jessie as soon as it goes stable, and you may not be prepared for that. |
| 21:15.26 | valdyn | thoonai: for the "multiple workstation" thing you can use your own keyserver yes |
| 21:15.33 | jelly-home | d3lphi: the installer doesn't put in "stable" since debian 5 I think |
| 21:15.46 | d3lphi | jelly-home: alright, didn't know that |
| 21:15.53 | valdyn | thoonai: and all of those people each need their own keyserver |
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| 21:16.21 | thoonai | valdyn: or I have a public keyserver for this files only |
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| 21:17.10 | d3lphi | one more question. dpkg told me to use "aptitude" commands. I alawys use "apt-get". Is it quite the same? If not, what are the differences and which one should I use? |
| 21:17.42 | valdyn | d3lphi: you can use any of those |
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| 21:17.55 | valdyn | d3lphi: just stick to one because semantics are slightly different |
| 21:17.57 | thoonai | valdyn: wheres the difference between gnupg and gnupg2? |
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| 21:20.19 | d3lphi | now when I run "apt-get build-dep sssd" I get the error that the dependency cannot be fulfilled because the installation candidate of package "libkrb5-dev" cannot fulfill the version or something like that. What now? |
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| 21:21.38 | jelly-home | d3lphi: which debian release? |
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| 21:21.55 | d3lphi | jelly-home: I am on Wheezy and I would like to install the sssd version of jessie |
| 21:22.05 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport sssd |
| 21:22.06 | judd | Backporting package sssd in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libkrb5-dev (>= 1.12). |
| 21:22.17 | d3lphi | I am following the instruction which dpkg sent to me after /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:22.48 | d3lphi | jelly-home: does that mean I have no chance to use sssd >= 1.10.x in wheezy ? |
| 21:23.06 | jelly-home | d3lphi: and it won't work, so you're out of luck. If you don't need kerberos functionality, you may be able to hack it out |
| 21:23.18 | d3lphi | kerberos is a must-have, unfortunately :( |
| 21:23.21 | d3lphi | hmmm... |
| 21:23.31 | jelly-home | backporting krb5 is probably an exercise in futility |
| 21:23.49 | jelly-home | use jessie? |
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| 21:23.57 | d3lphi | jelly-home: alright, so I forget this again and install the default sssd and sssd-tools package of wheezy repository |
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| 21:24.19 | thoonai | is there a convention, that programs have to start with a letter and not with a number? |
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| 21:24.48 | jelly-home | thoonai: python's 2to3 utility doesn't think so |
| 21:24.54 | d3lphi | jelly-home: you mean by replacing "wheezy" with "jessie" in my sources.list and do a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 21:25.27 | jelly-home | d3lphi: not sure, there's /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
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| 21:31.13 | thoonai | jelly-home: so nobody will hit me if I'm naming the programm 2of3? :D |
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| 21:31.28 | d3lphi | thanks to all, bye |
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| 21:33.00 | thoonai | valdyn, heurist`, jelly-home thanks :) |
| 21:33.01 | jelly-home | thoonai: they may think the author is a bit infantile, or not |
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| 21:33.29 | jelly-home | at least it wasn't 7of9 |
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| 21:33.32 | thoonai | jelly-home: twoofthree is better? |
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| 21:33.44 | thoonai | jelly-home: I thought of this :D |
| 21:33.56 | thoonai | ow thats awesome |
| 21:33.59 | heurist` | thoonai: twoof three |
| 21:34.06 | thoonai | heurist`: ? |
| 21:34.09 | jelly-home | or just twoof |
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| 21:34.27 | thoonai | heurist`: then three is a parameter :/ |
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| 21:35.10 | thoonai | heurist`: 'twoof' sounds more infantil, then 7of9 ^^ 7of9 is Trekkie like |
| 21:35.13 | rwp | thoonai, There is nothing special or not special about numbers in file names. |
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| 21:35.35 | rwp | The only two forbidden characters are '/' and '\0' and all others are allowed. |
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| 21:35.43 | heurist` | thoonai: yep, infantile, but it is what your name sounded like. |
| 21:35.46 | rwp | However putting in anything that is in IFS will be awful! |
| 21:36.00 | thoonai | IFS? |
| 21:36.04 | thoonai | heurist`: ? |
| 21:36.13 | rwp | Input field seperator. Defaults to space, tab, newline. |
| 21:36.13 | jelly-home | rwp: file names in Linux are one thing, and Debian policies are a different one |
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| 21:36.43 | rwp | I would also avoid any non-us-ascii characters. Just asking for trouble there. |
| 21:37.11 | rwp | Also for maximum portability I avoid anything that would not fit on a FAT32 file system since people still use those to sneakernet copy files all of the time. |
| 21:37.33 | thoonai | so its 2of3 |
| 21:37.34 | thoonai | :D |
| 21:37.43 | rwp | Avoid generic names like "word" or "node" unless you want a fight at some point. |
| 21:37.51 | jelly-home | thoonai: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Source for (source) package names |
| 21:37.56 | heurist` | thoonai: it needs to exist before the name matters. |
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| 21:38.14 | jelly-home | [...] must be at least two characters long and must start with an alphanumeric character. |
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| 21:38.36 | rwp | What I don't like about 2of3 is that it tells me nothing about it. |
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| 21:39.09 | jelly-home | thoonai: 2of3 will be frowned upon by any pythonista because 2to3 |
| 21:39.14 | rwp | I think a namespaced driver program and then sub-scripts elsewhere makes sense. Like svn and git and others. |
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| 21:39.34 | thoonai | jelly-home: I'll brace myself :D I really prefer Java :D |
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| 21:40.23 | rwp | Then if you had "myproject 2of3" it would all be namedspaced and hard to complain then. |
| 21:41.08 | ghormoon | where else than /etc/X11/xorg.conf could be keyboard layouts? When I connect through xfreerdp diacritics doesn't work, I think it changes layout on the client, not the server ... and even when I remove layouts on the client in /etc/X11/xorg,conf it allows switching them in xterm (so likely in xfreerdp too) :-/ |
| 21:41.19 | rwp | If there is already a well known python 2of3 then that would weigh strongly against using 2of3 for anything else. |
| 21:41.23 | thoonai | rwp: yeah thats a problem, but comeon gnupg is not better ^^ its like a buffalo (gnu) with "pg" whatever this is ;) |
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| 21:41.33 | jelly-home | thoonai: eh, who cares, there's dozens of tools starting with a, and there will only be two starting with 2 in my PATH if I decide to install your thinf |
| 21:41.36 | jelly-home | thing. |
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| 21:42.07 | thoonai | jelly-home: I hope its gonne be a good tool :D |
| 21:42.17 | rwp | ghormoon, Read about setxkbmap |
| 21:42.18 | jelly-home | worse, there's 337 executables starting with 'a' in my PATH currently |
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| 21:42.41 | rwp | ghormoon, Look in /etc/default/keyboard for the startup config using it. |
| 21:42.46 | ghormoon | rwp: that can disable switching layout with alt-shift? I thought not |
| 21:43.21 | rwp | ghormoon, I don't know about switching layout with alt-shift. Where can I learn about it? |
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| 21:43.44 | ghormoon | well, it really is in there, I'll try commenting it out |
| 21:43.55 | gigo1980 | hi has anyone runnig php5.2.x under debian wheezy as fcgi ? |
| 21:43.57 | thoonai | so I'm gonna start to script this stuff, thanks :) |
| 21:44.03 | rwp | ghormoon, But for example in my startup I have: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -option compose:menu -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
| 21:44.13 | gigo1980 | i only got 403 from apache |
| 21:44.22 | rwp | Obviously everyone will need their own localization for the keyboard. |
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| 21:45.54 | rwp | gigo1980, Which release does php 5.2 correspond to? Older than Wheezy. Squeeze? |
| 21:46.15 | gigo1980 | i combile php5.2 from sources |
| 21:46.42 | gigo1980 | so i have also installed current php version on one server |
| 21:46.47 | rwp | Then you will probably have to push through it yourself. |
| 21:46.55 | gigo1980 | but i need for one old website php5.2 |
| 21:47.13 | rwp | Curious... Why are you using php under cgi? Another friend was doing that too. I didn't know why |
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| 21:48.13 | rwp | Personally I have used the libapache2-mod-php5 a lot. These days I prefer nginx+php5-fpm |
| 21:48.39 | TheQuestionmark | Alright, I'm getting kernelpanic right after rebooting Jessie with done 'apt-get -f install' before. |
| 21:48.51 | TheQuestionmark | But it's alright, it's a experience I wanted to risk. |
| 21:49.08 | jelly-home | rwp: mod-php restricts you to running php as www-data, fpm or fcgid allows for actual user |
| 21:49.26 | gigo1980 | i prefer also nginx , but this is a production server and i had no choise |
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| 21:49.58 | rwp | jelly-home, Ah... Okay. I run php-fpm as different users when needed though. |
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| 21:50.14 | Eisspin | hey ppl |
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| 21:50.49 | Eisspin | is anybody having kernelpanics the last days? |
| 21:50.57 | rwp | TheQuestionmark, What architecture? If it is a mainstream i686 or amd64 then I suspect your hardware since those are well tested paths. |
| 21:50.58 | jelly-home | Eisspin: nope |
| 21:51.11 | Eisspin | I'm getting the whole time kernel panics in a virtual machine |
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| 21:51.21 | jelly-home | Eisspin: noone, anywhere, no panics at all (ask the real question) |
| 21:51.23 | Eisspin | for example: http://postimg.org/image/bg1pfuwh9/full/ |
| 21:51.25 | rwp | No kernel panics here. And here includes hundreds of heterogenous systems. |
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| 21:51.48 | TheQuestionmark | rwp, amd64. |
| 21:52.11 | Eisspin | and also some apache tainted panics and udevd panics in logs... |
| 21:52.24 | TheQuestionmark | It's basically my Wheezy desktop I've upgraded to Jessie that now just gives me kernelpanic whenever it starts off from GRUB :> |
| 21:52.30 | jelly-home | Eisspin: which host OS, which VM solution, which guest OS, which kernels? |
| 21:52.35 | rwp | TheQuestionmark, Eisspin, How much ram and how memory stressed are the systems? |
| 21:52.50 | snadge | hmm.. a few days ago i came in here and complained about a domain unixninja.net .. which doesn't resolve, but the listed dns in the whois record does.. eg.. it seems to be missing its glue |
| 21:53.05 | rwp | Eisspin, Since your system is "unable to handle kernel paging request" |
| 21:53.07 | TheQuestionmark | rwp, 8G of RAM. |
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| 21:53.23 | TheQuestionmark | And the kernelpanic comes right when choosing a kernel to boot. |
| 21:53.34 | Eisspin | host: centos 6 uptodate, qemu-kvm. vm: debian squeeze |
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| 21:53.52 | snadge | anyway.. after abusing one of the ops in here .. it was determined that there is no real way to figure out whats wrong with that domain, without being the owner |
| 21:53.52 | Eisspin | also up2date |
| 21:54.00 | jelly-home | rwp: that "unable to handle kernel paging request" is a generic segfault with a broken pointer. That does _not_ look like a valid address in kernel space. |
| 21:54.42 | Eisspin | well, it's probably not the host. the host only uses half of the memory right now. and all other vms are working |
| 21:54.44 | snadge | does anyone here work for dyn or have a contact who can look into something quickly? :P |
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| 21:54.49 | rwp | TheQuestionmark, Sorry no answers. I have historically had trouble with the kernel graphics modules specifically drm. |
| 21:55.08 | rwp | Eisspin, Sorry. Don't know. |
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| 21:55.44 | rwp | If the systems were recently upgraded then can select an older kernel at boot time and try it. |
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| 21:55.53 | phillyj | help, i borked my dual boot debian/win7 system after i tried to restore my laptop to factory default (win7 partition was messed up) and now I am stuck on GRUB rescue mode |
| 21:55.54 | TheQuestionmark | rwp, It's alright, right now in some sort of euphoria, so it's alright. |
| 21:56.06 | jelly-home | Eisspin: when you say latest squeeze, do you have squeeze-lts repo enabled and kernel from there? |
| 21:56.12 | TheQuestionmark | rwp, Nah~ Tried so already. |
| 21:56.15 | phillyj | and my cd drive only spins up but doesn't seem to load anything |
| 21:56.23 | heurist` | dpkg: tell phillyj -about fixmbr |
| 21:56.26 | TheQuestionmark | I just gonna check that problem tomorrow again. |
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| 21:57.35 | Eisspin | jelly-home: nope, normal wheezy main contrib and non-free repo conf. and dotdeb for php |
| 21:58.07 | ghormoon | hm, best I got is that it doesn't break, but I still can't change layouts on server ... :-/ |
| 21:58.17 | jelly-home | Eisspin: er, you said squeeze before. Also, dotdeb bad, but not kernel panic bad. |
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| 21:58.31 | phillyj | heurist`: that doesn;t help me; i don't understand what it means. After win7 recovery shut down and restarted to install drivers, everything failed |
| 21:58.32 | Eisspin | ah sorry, I ment wheezy |
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| 21:59.18 | jelly-home | Eisspin: what does uname -a actually say on the guest? are the stack traces at least somewhat similar on different crashes? |
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| 22:01.38 | Eisspin | not really similar. some are, the tainted one ins the logs. see screen and this example: http://fpaste.org/145985/53365114/ |
| 22:02.11 | Eisspin | uname -a: Linux ptah 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:03.56 | d3lphi | hello again. I installed "sssd" from the default wheezy repository with "apt-get install sssd". As soon as I try to start the daemon I get ==> http://paste.debian.net/129152/ What's wrong here? |
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| 22:06.30 | phillyj | so anyone help me get past grub rescue; the ls command in grub rescue shows hd0, and some (hd0,msdosX) but I can't look further into them since it get an error |
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| 22:08.18 | d3lphi | I never experienced an error like that from a package that was installed directlry from official Debian repository. Why does it say, it cannot find the file. It's there, see here ==> http://paste.debian.net/129153/ |
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| 22:10.22 | Eisspin | jelly-home: any idea? :/ |
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| 22:13.09 | d3lphi | the guy here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670595 says, it was fixed in 1.8.4-1, but hey, I am on 1.8.4-2 and it's *not* :( what's wrong here? is this bug still active? |
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| 22:13.44 | supay | hi, does the debian wheezy standard iso come with a desktop manager preinstalled? |
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| 22:15.39 | mtn | supay: the installer gives you the option to install a desktop. in the advanced options it allows you to choose other desktops |
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| 22:16.06 | supay | mtn: would i need an active internet connection? |
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| 22:16.31 | mtn | supay: not with the first dvd, if I recall correctly |
| 22:16.42 | supay | the first dvd? |
| 22:17.10 | Disconsented | Any ideas on why "mkdir -v '/tmp/voldey'" creates (as what is reported by ls) a folder named "voldey?" |
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| 22:17.22 | mtn | supay: yes, dvd number one. |
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| 22:18.19 | supay | Disconsented: i think thats what its supposed to do.. and -v just shows you the list of dirs created |
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| 22:18.29 | supay | mtn: ah, i see.. alright, thanks! :) |
| 22:18.35 | mtn | supay: welcome |
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| 22:19.18 | Disconsented | I put -v in to try and get a better idea of what it is doing it returns "mkdir: created directory `/tmp/voldey\r'" |
| 22:19.29 | Disconsented | I think /r might be the issue but I don't know |
| 22:19.47 | supay | Disconsented: okay.. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.03 | Disconsented | Create a directoy |
| 22:20.08 | Disconsented | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.25 | heurist` | Disconsented: did you type the command yourself? looks like you may have strange characters in that line. does it do it for other directory creations too? |
| 22:20.30 | supay | Disconsented: so just do mkdir blah |
| 22:21.20 | Disconsented | Its via a .sh script I am working with localy and uploading to my VPS. Want me to upload the file? |
| 22:21.36 | supay | Disconsented: just pastebin the contents :) |
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| 22:21.59 | Disconsented | http://pastebin.com/U0gUUR71 |
| 22:22.01 | heurist` | Disconsented: remove the quotes around the directory name to be same |
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| 22:24.51 | supay | Disconsented: if you're trying to created multiple levels of directories/folders, you need the -p switch |
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| 22:26.01 | Disconsented | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.20 | supay | Disconsented: well, that isn't happening when i try :/ weird.. |
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| 22:27.27 | supay | *phantom keystrokes* |
| 22:27.35 | Disconsented | I bet its gremlins |
| 22:27.37 | Disconsented | :P |
| 22:27.42 | ghormoon | should I use cvt or gtf when generating moes for xrandr? I'm trying to create 1600x900, but with both it results in grey screen with horizontal lines (different colours), so I'm setting something wrong |
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| 22:27.50 | heurist` | Disconsented: that \r is concerning, you might have copy/pasted some characters and the ' ' quotes are protecting them. retype and remove the quotes. |
| 22:28.07 | jelly-home | Eisspin: no, sorry. Something is getting seriously corrupted there. |
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| 22:28.25 | Eisspin | damn... it's a web and mailserver... |
| 22:28.29 | Eisspin | in jproductive use -.- |
| 22:29.03 | jelly-home | Eisspin: you could try and file bug reports on linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:29.22 | Eisspin | k, tomorrow |
| 22:29.34 | Eisspin | I will start to put the custs on another vm now. |
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| 22:30.18 | jelly-home | maybe migrate to a different host to exclude hv issues |
| 22:31.06 | jelly-home | does kvm do live migration these days? We have esxi and vsphere at work, I've no idea what poor people use :-| |
| 22:31.14 | Disconsented | I don't know how but it looks like phantom charcters |
| 22:31.25 | Disconsented | just typed it out in nano and it works :| |
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| 22:32.04 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 22:32.16 | marioxcc | how can I figure out what my DHCP address is from the command line? |
| 22:32.20 | marioxcc | sorry, *DNS |
| 22:32.23 | heurist` | Disconsented: beware copy/paste! |
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| 22:32.42 | supay | lol :) |
| 22:32.49 | heurist` | marioxcc: do you know your IP address? |
| 22:32.50 | Disconsented | Ah well its working now |
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| 22:32.53 | supay | yep, heurist` is right.. beware of any copy/paste |
| 22:33.00 | marioxcc | heurist`: yes, sure |
| 22:33.01 | Disconsented | ty for the help heurist` and supay |
| 22:33.03 | Eisspin | yep, jelly-home :) |
| 22:33.06 | Eisspin | it does |
| 22:33.09 | supay | Disconsented: np |
| 22:33.24 | heurist` | marioxcc: host $IP |
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| 22:33.58 | heurist` | marioxcc: dig +short -x $IP |
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| 22:34.03 | Eisspin | but I don't have another free host, so I can only setup a new vm and move the ppl |
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| 22:34.54 | jelly-home | if it's only the debians, you can try downgrading the kernel or testing with wheezy-backports kernels |
| 22:35.03 | jelly-home | !bpo kernel |
| 22:35.04 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 22:35.23 | supay | lol, so cute! you guys named a bot dpkg! :D |
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| 22:36.02 | marioxcc | heurist`: that doesn't tells me the dns server IP |
| 22:36.19 | marioxcc | is theree something like ifconfig to tell the DNS server address from the command line? |
| 22:36.25 | heurist` | marioxcc: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:37.00 | supay | marioxcc: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:37.09 | marioxcc | ok, thanks heurist`, supay |
| 22:37.13 | supay | aw damn.. heurist` inb4 supay |
| 22:37.21 | supay | np |
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| 22:37.31 | d3lphi | hey all. yesterday I described a strange behaviour when I am loggin in through ssh to a debian host where I'm experiencing a 6seconds-timeout after I entered the username. I have to wait before the password prompt is displayed... |
| 22:37.34 | marioxcc | which progam is in charge or controls name resolution (alogue to ifconfig)? |
| 22:38.17 | supay | d3lphi: it is possible that the remote hosts firewall is blocking ssh |
| 22:38.25 | d3lphi | .. I have found out the root of that problem. It's located in the /etc/nsswitch.conf . The default line is "hosts: files dns" but in my case the line looked like "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" |
| 22:38.57 | heurist` | dpkg: tell d3lphi -about enter |
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| 22:39.02 | d3lphi | that was causing the delay between username+password prompt while ssh connection. But I would like to know how the hell this line came into my /etc/nsswitch.conf any clues? |
| 22:39.43 | d3lphi | heurist`: ??? I didn't press Enter, why did you send me that message? |
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| 22:39.53 | supay | *phantom keystrokes* |
| 22:39.58 | supay | again, lol |
| 22:40.23 | heurist` | d3lphi: you sent three message, and supay tried to answer you after the first, but that was not your question. |
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| 22:41.29 | d3lphi | hmmm...well, anyone have an idea which program or process brought the line "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" into my /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 22:41.41 | supay | d3lphi: what he means to say is that you should explain your entire question in a single line. |
| 22:41.57 | jelly-home | d3lphi: d-i did it |
| 22:42.09 | d3lphi | supay: yes, I understand. |
| 22:42.14 | supay | jelly-home: :P lol |
| 22:42.18 | rgb-one_ | hey, can someone give me some detailed information about the files part in nsswitch.conf, eg. passwd: files |
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| 22:42.27 | d3lphi | jelly-home: I'm sorried, what did you say? did I miss anything? |
| 22:42.46 | jelly-home | d3lphi: you asked which program did that line |
| 22:42.46 | d3lphi | rgb-one_: man nsswitch.conf :p |
| 22:42.49 | rgb-one_ | I know what it does but I would like more information |
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| 22:43.14 | jelly-home | d3lphi: it was the debian-installer, "d-i". That's the default. |
| 22:43.19 | rgb-one_ | I have read the manpages for nsswitch.conf already |
| 22:43.41 | d3lphi | jelly-home: oh ok, d-i is an abbreviation :) I did read "I DID IT" :) and I thought you told me and I missed it :p |
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| 22:44.02 | rgb-one_ | I understand that it allows for applications to access a database from differnent sources eg files nss nis |
| 22:44.26 | d3lphi | jelly-home: can you tell me which part of the debian-installer did put this line into nsswitch.conf? I have installed lots of debian machines and never ever experienced that before, so it must be something different from my other machines. |
| 22:44.28 | rgb-one_ | and different parameters can be along with these sources |
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| 22:44.59 | rgb-one_ | however, I would like more information on files specifically. |
| 22:45.01 | jelly-home | d3lphi: all Debian 7 (possibly Debian 6 too) installations look like that. |
| 22:45.37 | supay | dpkg: tell rgb-one_ -about enter |
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| 22:46.37 | rgb-one_ | sorry about that |
| 22:47.16 | d3lphi | jelly-home: cannot acknowledge that. I have just checked OVER 12 debian hosts, all running debian wheezy, and the have the line "hosts: files dns" |
| 22:47.28 | jelly-home | d3lphi: how did you install them? |
| 22:47.44 | d3lphi | jelly-home: net |
| 22:47.50 | jelly-home | d3lphi: netinst? |
| 22:48.01 | d3lphi | jelly-home: they are all VMs on xenserver |
| 22:48.32 | jelly-home | d3lphi: your hosting provider made changes on top of default installation |
| 22:48.54 | d3lphi | my hosting provider? it's a local xenserver in server room |
| 22:49.10 | jelly-home | well, whoever installed it, then |
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| 22:49.45 | d3lphi | but can you maybe explain what the line "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" is actually doing? in comparison to "hosts: files dns" |
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| 22:51.07 | d3lphi | oh, I think I have found an explanation ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=971693 |
| 22:51.23 | jelly-home | that's a better question. It adds mdns name service resolution for .local domain, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking#Avahi |
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| 22:53.26 | otyugh | did someone succeeded to install RiskofRain on linux ? |
| 22:53.49 | otyugh | I issue a very weird error about an existing file not being there oO |
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| 22:55.25 | supay | otyugh: have you tried googling the error? |
| 22:55.56 | otyugh | the error being "no such file or directory" is quite generic |
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| 22:56.54 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 22:56.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:57.18 | jelly-home | otyugh: can you phrase your issue in the way shown above? |
| 22:57.25 | supay | otyugh: you probably have a naming error. the filename has spaces? |
| 22:57.39 | otyugh | "./ROR.bin: No such file or directory" |
| 22:57.45 | otyugh | it does not |
| 22:57.52 | jelly-home | otyugh: what does "file ROR.bin" say? |
| 22:58.13 | otyugh | ROR.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=13beded8443a0fd4af355925f6490bfd5ccba6f1, stripped |
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| 22:58.31 | otyugh | hue |
| 22:58.33 | jelly-home | otyugh: do you have support for 32bit binaries enabled? |
| 22:58.42 | otyugh | I have no idea ! |
| 22:59.03 | jelly-home | !multiarch |
| 22:59.04 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 23:00.12 | supay | jelly-home: multiarch is really handy isn't it?! :D |
| 23:00.58 | jelly-home | supay: I still have a 32bit installation, so, not an issue |
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| 23:01.37 | supay | jelly-home: zomg.. isn't that real slow? or do you have work that requires you to use a 32bit OS for some reason? :/ |
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| 23:02.07 | jelly-home | otyugh: after that, install libc6:i386 and see what "ldd ./ROR.bin" complains about not being found |
| 23:02.17 | jelly-home | supay: no, it's not real slow. |
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| 23:03.38 | jelly-home | it works, so there's no pressing need to change it |
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| 23:04.42 | supay | fair enough.. |
| 23:05.00 | gr33n7007h | what's the latest version of iceweasel? |
| 23:05.23 | jelly-home | gr33n7007h: depends on the debian release |
| 23:05.27 | jelly-home | ,v iceweasel |
| 23:05.28 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 31.1.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1; sid: 31.2.0esr-2; experimental: 33.0-2 |
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| 23:05.42 | jelly-home | gr33n7007h: 31.2.0esr for Debian 7 |
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| 23:06.12 | gr33n7007h | i'm still on 24.8.1 how to upgrade? |
| 23:07.10 | jelly-home | gr33n7007h: is there a line mentioning security.debian.org and wheezy/updates in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:07.29 | gr33n7007h | 1 sec |
| 23:07.57 | gr33n7007h | no |
| 23:09.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell gr33n7007h about wheezy sources.list |
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| 23:09.44 | jelly-home | you'll probably have lots of other patches to apply |
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| 23:10.26 | gr33n7007h | is google chrome any good? |
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| 23:11.43 | jelly-home | depends, what are you missing in iceweasel? |
| 23:12.39 | gr33n7007h | speed |
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| 23:12.49 | gr33n7007h | seems so slow |
| 23:13.13 | jelly-home | NoScript, if you use it carefully, makes it nicer |
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| 23:13.47 | jelly-home | chrome plays hd video on youtubes by default, without flash; on the other hand, it does incremental search and other call-home features by default |
| 23:14.00 | mtn | gr33n7007h: chromium is in the debian repos. both it and iceweasel are fine browsers |
| 23:14.14 | adh0c | Somewhat obtuse question: I need to rsync a homedir between two hosts which have a firewall blocking intermediary access. Both however can connect to the bastion host we use to get into this network, which requires SSH keys to pass through. |
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| 23:14.43 | adh0c | I'm trying to use SSH to open port forwarding on host1 to the bastion host - which I connect to host1 from - and then rsync the homedir to host2 over that port. |
| 23:15.02 | gr33n7007h | jelly-home, thanks |
| 23:15.09 | gr33n7007h | mtn, thanks |
| 23:15.23 | mtn | gr33n7007h: welcome |
| 23:15.31 | jelly-home | presumably chromium is just-like-chrome, except it has no flash, and maybe does not send stuff back to google that often |
| 23:15.33 | adh0c | Here's what I'm running: # rsync -avz -e "ssh -A -p2222 adhoc@bastion-bridge -i .id_rsa.adhoc" /home/* root@host2:/home/ |
| 23:16.00 | adh0c | This prompts me to enter my passphrase for the key, but then fails, returning: Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 23:16.18 | adh0c | Turning up the verbosity reveals nothing else. |
| 23:16.28 | adh0c | Can anyone point out to me in what way exactly I'm being daft? |
| 23:16.33 | adh0c | I would be very grateful. |
| 23:17.09 | marioxcc | hello. In a VPS I found a strage setting |
| 23:17.15 | marioxcc | it has a /boot/grub/menu.conf |
| 23:17.19 | marioxcc | sorry, not |
| 23:17.31 | marioxcc | /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 23:17.50 | marioxcc | which appears to be written like a GRUB 1 menu file |
| 23:17.55 | marioxcc | what may this be due to? |
| 23:17.57 | mtn | !enter |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:18.18 | jelly-home | adh0c: it seems that would make rsync call "ssh -A -p2222 adhoc@bastion-bridge -i .id_rsa.adhoc [...] root@host2 /usr/bin/rsync ..." |
| 23:18.37 | jelly-home | adh0c: I'm not sure why it works that far |
| 23:19.13 | marioxcc | mtn: it's customary to ommit sentence end marks in IRC because one may add to it in a new line |
| 23:19.19 | jelly-home | adh0c: so you can connect to bastion-bridge from both host1 and host2? |
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| 23:19.44 | mtn | marioxcc: more to the point, try putting things into sentences and not into lines. you can even put sentences together! |
| 23:20.29 | marioxcc | mtn: thanks for your advice, but I have already settled on a written style for real time textual communications |
| 23:20.34 | mtn | marioxcc: and to answer your question. are you saying you find it odd that there is a /boot/grub/grub.conf? |
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| 23:20.45 | adh0c | jelly-home: I can, yes. |
| 23:20.47 | mtn | marioxcc: you can be rude if you wish to, of course. |
| 23:21.00 | marioxcc | mtn: I don't try to be rude, I said âthanks youâ. |
| 23:21.03 | jelly-home | adh0c: and you have something like host2$ ssh -R 2222:localhost:22 bastion-bridge in place before running the above command? |
| 23:21.22 | heurist` | marioxcc: it is best to try to follow the guidlines of the channel you are in. the message about enter was not sent by mtn, but by the official bot. |
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| 23:21.49 | adh0c | jelly-home: Come to think of it, no I do not. |
| 23:22.00 | marioxcc | heurist`: like I said, I have already settled in a style. I'm not going to change that |
| 23:22.15 | jelly-home | adh0c: hm, where does that listener on 2222 come from then? |
| 23:22.36 | adh0c | jelly-home: the bastion-bridge has SSH set up on port 2222. |
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| 23:22.42 | heurist` | marioxcc: like I said, in a channel you should follow the channel guidlines if you expect help from the channel. |
| 23:23.00 | jelly-home | adh0c: oh, right, not sure what I was thinking |
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| 23:26.15 | marioxcc | I found a âgrub.confâ file using the style of an old GRUB 1 menu |
| 23:26.37 | marioxcc | can I apply the normal GRUB commands in this setting? |
| 23:26.41 | jelly-home | adh0c: you might ssh -R 10022:localhost:22 from host2 to bastion-bridge, then ssh -L 10022:localhost:10022 from host1 to bastion bridge, then rsync -e 'ssh -p10022' stuff root@localhost:/home/ |
| 23:27.46 | jelly-home | there might be a wat to avoid the -L tunnel but I'm too tired to think of it |
| 23:27.54 | jelly-home | a wat! |
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| 23:31.14 | jelly-home | marioxcc: does your VPS actually boot its own kernel, or is it a container? |
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| 23:32.20 | marioxcc | jelly-home: it has its own kernel. It's paravirtualized through Xen. |
| 23:32.33 | marioxcc | I just noticed, it's a symbolic link to menu.lst. |
| 23:32.37 | marioxcc | *menu.lst |
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| 23:37.26 | adh0c | jelly-home: So I've just tried that; I had to keep two connections in separate to host1 using a shared SSH connection but to no avail. |
| 23:37.36 | jelly-home | marioxcc: well, if grub-legacy is installed, and grub-pc isn't, then you really have old grub |
| 23:37.45 | ScottE | marioxcc: that's why - probably using pvgrub. On EC2, for example HVM uses regular grub and PV uses pvgrub |
| 23:37.46 | adh0c | It just gives me 'connection refused' |
| 23:39.31 | jelly-home | adh0c: that doesn't make a lot of sense, if an ssh -L 10022:localhost:10022 ... is running, telnet localhost 10022 ought to work and not give connection refused |
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| 23:40.14 | marioxcc | jelly-home, ScottE: I see. Do you think that I can install GRUB 2 safely? |
| 23:40.19 | marioxcc | I.e: without making the machine unbootable |
| 23:40.30 | jelly-home | marioxcc: probably best to ask the provider |
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| 23:40.45 | marioxcc | jelly-home: right, thanks |
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| 23:41.47 | jelly-home | grub-pc seems to work on a couple xenserver VMs I have |
| 23:42.36 | jelly-home | imvirt says: Xen PV 4.1 |
| 23:44.07 | adh0c | jelly-home: I mixed up the flags. |
| 23:44.57 | jelly-home | adh0c: I took a year or three for me to get comfortable with all that -R -L confusion |
| 23:45.06 | jelly-home | it* took |
| 23:45.44 | phillyj | i need to get rid of the grub rescue loop so i can put my system back into factory defaults with the recovery disk. How do I do that? |
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| 23:46.48 | sand3r | hi how do i disable wireless in debian? |
| 23:47.14 | adh0c | jelly-home: even fixing the flags - that is, using "-L" on the destination host to the bastion and "-R" on the source host to the bastion - and then running rsync on the source host, now returns "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
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| 23:48.50 | jelly-home | adh0c: er, no, that'd be -L on source to the bastion, so that there's a Local listener there, and a Remote listener on the bastion tunnelling back to host2' sshd |
| 23:48.51 | adh0c | Note I am running the rsync from a second screen using the shared SSH connection to the source host. |
| 23:48.55 | adh0c | Ahhhhh. |
| 23:48.58 | adh0c | I feel daft. |
| 23:50.08 | adh0c | That still returns: "ssh: connect to host localhost port 10022: Connection refused"... Grrrr.... |
| 23:50.13 | phillyj | no one knows how to remove that grub rescue thing?; i need to get my win7 back |
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| 23:53.52 | jelly-home | adh0c: recap: on host1, source, set up ssh -L 10022:localhost:10022 bastion; on host2, destination, set up ssh -R 10022:localhost:22 bastion; finally, see if "ssh -P10022 -i ... localhost" works on host1 and use that for rsync -e |
| 23:54.39 | jelly-home | er, "ssh -p10022 -i... localhost" |
| 23:55.07 | jelly-home | or root@localhost if that's the destination user |
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| 23:56.01 | jelly-home | phillyj: you can also try #debian over on irc.debian.org network (same as irc.oftc.net) |
| 23:56.14 | phillyj | ok, thank you |
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| 23:59.12 | sand3r | how to disable wireless by default? |
| 23:59.12 | tay | can anyone tell me why home and end jeys are printing f and h suddenly? I update debian regularly, does anyone know of any recent change in terminal behavior? |
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