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| 00:06.35 | majuscule | dpkg: tell majuscule -about crosspost |
| 00:07.16 | heurist` | dpkg: tell majuscule -about selftell |
| 00:07.20 | majuscule | hehe :D |
| 00:07.22 | heurist` | (: |
| 00:07.26 | majuscule | thanks |
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| 00:08.12 | majuscule | that seems shortsighted though. there is value in having problems and answers available in all places they are relevant. seems like it's attacking the wrong problem - once someone has found the answer, they should followup in the other places theyve asked and answer their own question |
| 00:08.37 | majuscule | someone else might be watching and hoping for an answer, not knowing about the other post |
| 00:09.03 | majuscule | my 2 cents, back to idle& |
| 00:09.22 | heurist` | majuscule: but they do not, and people in all the channels try to get more information and get ignored because the original asker is answering in one channel. |
| 00:09.52 | kerneloopz | majuscule: that was my plan |
| 00:11.08 | kerneloopz | that is the polite and efficient way to do things, and I was happy to monitor both channels, but I apologize if I broke rules about crossposting |
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| 00:12.05 | heurist` | kerneloopz: efficient for purposes of getting the answer as quick as possible, but not polite to those who are trying to answer. (: |
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| 00:13.21 | kerneloopz | right |
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| 00:13.50 | kerneloopz | well the question is still very much open. RAID is still syncing at 140 MB/sec |
| 00:14.20 | kerneloopz | I'm not sure of my interface link speed, but they are 3 Gbits drives |
| 00:15.14 | heurist` | kerneloopz: you understand the difference between bits and bytes? that is about half the theoretical max speed, how much do you want. |
| 00:15.55 | heurist` | kerneloopz: but I see you getting that same answer elsewhere, so I will stop now. |
| 00:16.31 | kerneloopz | <kc8qvp> kerneloopz: 145 MB/s is pretty normal |
| 00:16.33 | kerneloopz | yep |
| 00:17.00 | kerneloopz | question asked and answered, thanks. You are right heurist` looks like that speed is about right |
| 00:17.06 | kerneloopz | somehow I thought it would be faster |
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| 00:31.49 | archetech | ScottE, ok thks |
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| 00:38.39 | PryMar56 | running Jessie/sid on Intel bare metal. Its a minimal server. I cannot shutdown/restart from an ssh login without a freeze-up. This bug is well known. What can I do? |
| 00:39.09 | heurist` | PryMar56: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:44.52 | kerneloopz | why is #debian-next not on Freenode? |
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| 00:46.02 | heurist` | kerneloopz: not sure how to answer that, except "because it is on oftc" |
| 00:46.10 | nkuttler | kerneloopz: all official channels are on oftc |
| 00:46.13 | babilen | dpkg: oftc move |
| 00:46.14 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 00:46.24 | kerneloopz | huh |
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| 01:05.58 | AlexLikerock | help |
| 01:06.07 | AlexLikerock | hdmi not detect |
| 01:06.18 | AlexLikerock | but works some time ago |
| 01:06.32 | AlexLikerock | i just UPGRADE/DOWNGRADE/UPGRADE |
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| 01:06.47 | heurist` | dpkg: tell AlexLikerock -about enter |
| 01:07.03 | heurist` | dpkg: tell AlexLikerock -about multiple ask |
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| 01:17.26 | Argyle | hi i'm trying to install libnss3.17 using debian stable is the best way to do this to enable a jessie-backports repo in the sources and install it and its dependencies using that? |
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| 01:19.10 | Argyle | 3.14 is the latest in stable, i tried using dpkg on the .deb i got but its dependencies are too outdated |
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| 01:24.04 | Brigo | ,v kernel |
| 01:24.06 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 01:24.12 | Brigo | ,v kernels |
| 01:24.13 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 01:24.21 | Brigo | ,kernel |
| 01:24.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); jessie: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.16.3-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 01:24.55 | Brigo | Argyle, last kernel in stable is 3.2 and in backports 3.16 |
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| 01:30.26 | heurist` | dpkg: tell Argyle -about crosspost |
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| 01:33.21 | Argyle | Brigo, libnss3:amd64 2:3.14 is from stable. I 'd like to get >3.16 |
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| 01:34.08 | Brigo | Argyle, you can try simple sid backport |
| 01:34.15 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 01:34.15 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 01:34.53 | dvs | of you can use kernel-package |
| 01:35.07 | dvs | *or |
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| 01:37.24 | diegoaguilar | Hello, I just did a mkfs.ntfs on a HDD which I shouldnt have done it. I stopped it right away but now the fs is gone, how could I try to recover the partition and any recoverable data? |
| 01:37.55 | heurist` | dpkg: tell diegoaguilar -about crosspost |
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| 01:55.39 | AlexLikerock | help, xrandr : HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 02:11.00 | AlexLikerock | help, xrandr : HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 02:57.47 | Pixionus | In case AlexLikerock comes back: http://unix.aspcode.net/view/635395087004115229144412/hdmi-not-detected-by-xrandr |
| 02:58.22 | Pixionus | Actually whatever. That probably wont help much. |
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| 03:12.06 | HappyNewYear13 | just wanted to day hi to SynrG is he here? |
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| 03:13.25 | dvs | !seen SynrG |
| 03:13.25 | dpkg | synrg is currently on #debian-ops (1h 53m 28s) #debian (1h 53m 28s), last said: 'there's that'. |
| 03:13.46 | HappyNewYear13 | dvs, thank u |
| 03:14.58 | HappyNewYear13 | dpkg this! |
| 03:14.58 | dpkg | wish i knew, HappyNewYear13 |
| 03:15.46 | HappyNewYear13 | is it 15Mbps spped too much of a third world country internet speed? |
| 03:15.52 | HappyNewYear13 | speed* |
| 03:16.15 | HappyNewYear13 | what's your speed people? |
| 03:16.57 | richac | HappyNewYear13: no way thats great |
| 03:17.23 | HappyNewYear13 | where can i find a pie chart of linux distros according to number of users? |
| 03:17.33 | HappyNewYear13 | richac, your speed friend? |
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| 03:18.02 | richac | HappyNewYear13: 30/25 |
| 03:18.30 | HappyNewYear13 | SynrGy, is that you SynrG? |
| 03:19.25 | HappyNewYear13 | richac, that's cool. our upload my upload speed is 1Mbps not joking. it's always been like that. that ratio difference dwnload/upload |
| 03:19.56 | richac | what if you call them and ask for 5? |
| 03:20.06 | richac | tell them your a gamer |
| 03:20.20 | HappyNewYear13 | richac, it doesn't work like that, id' have to buy a more expensive plan |
| 03:20.43 | HappyNewYear13 | i don't play games. and i dont have too much respect for gamers |
| 03:20.46 | richac | threathen to switch plans |
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| 03:21.29 | HappyNewYear13 | i already threatened them to come to my house to replace my modem. |
| 03:21.29 | richac | i just tested 30.93/21.50 |
| 03:21.40 | HappyNewYear13 | they came today. everything working perfect |
| 03:21.45 | richac | i think i should complain i'm missing 3.60 something |
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| 03:22.06 | HappyNewYear13 | no one cares about uploading speed |
| 03:22.08 | richac | i mean my isp is only the first 6 hops too, so that connection is only good for them |
| 03:22.20 | richac | once i go into diff networks anything can happen |
| 03:22.34 | richac | its out of my ISP's control |
| 03:23.00 | HappyNewYear13 | higher plan is 80/4 haha |
| 03:23.04 | HappyNewYear13 | 4!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:23.07 | richac | 80/4 i don't get it |
| 03:23.14 | HappyNewYear13 | 4 Mbps upload |
| 03:23.24 | richac | no but why? |
| 03:23.41 | HappyNewYear13 | that's how things work here |
| 03:23.45 | richac | why so much download and no upload? do ever have connectoin problems? |
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| 03:24.15 | HappyNewYear13 | i never cared for upload speed. internet works good all the time |
| 03:25.10 | richac | well i guess ya, because back in dsl days, that was fine for a household. maybe they are pressured to do that by the gov't and riaa or something lol |
| 03:25.26 | HappyNewYear13 | i dont live in the states |
| 03:25.27 | richac | but i mean who the hell needs 80 then, if they only need 4 up? |
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| 03:25.46 | richac | HappyNewYear13: ya i'm lucky i have verizon fios they give you symmetrical connection |
| 03:26.01 | HappyNewYear13 | what is that symmetrical thing? |
| 03:26.09 | richac | i'm supposed to have 25/25 |
| 03:26.15 | richac | but i get a little 5 extra download |
| 03:26.23 | HappyNewYear13 | i see |
| 03:26.29 | HappyNewYear13 | i looks symmetrical |
| 03:26.32 | HappyNewYear13 | -_- |
| 03:26.34 | richac | haha |
| 03:26.42 | richac | same download as upload |
| 03:27.15 | richac | you can also use them at the same time |
| 03:27.45 | richac | your basically using an asymmetrical connection |
| 03:27.51 | HappyNewYear13 | indeed |
| 03:28.19 | richac | its all just a conspiracy |
| 03:28.25 | richac | lol |
| 03:28.37 | richac | they don't want you sharing information, only getting what they provide |
| 03:29.26 | HappyNewYear13 | i like toshare movies |
| 03:29.32 | HappyNewYear13 | i uploaded some to youtube |
| 03:29.47 | HappyNewYear13 | one of my channels got closed though |
| 03:29.52 | richac | http://testinternetspeed.org/blog/what-is-a-symmetrical-internet-connection/ |
| 03:30.05 | richac | it got closed? lol |
| 03:31.32 | HappyNewYear13 | yeah dcma notifications and one movie had xxx, not everything but some scenes (arthouse french movie, not porn) |
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| 03:32.39 | HappyNewYear13 | i like complicated movies |
| 03:32.49 | HappyNewYear13 | i lke everything complicated |
| 03:33.07 | HappyNewYear13 | i am complicated |
| 03:33.56 | HappyNewYear13 | havent watched movies lately because i've been having some personal troubles, so my mind is somewhere else |
| 03:34.13 | HappyNewYear13 | so i prefer to read books |
| 03:34.22 | HappyNewYear13 | and browse the internet, and listen to music |
| 03:34.30 | somiaj | HappyNewYear13: this is a support channel, #debian-offtopic of this conversation |
| 03:34.50 | HappyNewYear13 | somiaj, i was thinking exactly the same |
| 03:35.36 | HappyNewYear13 | i'll be there if anyone wants to talk to me |
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| 04:29.21 | sn00p | how do you leave a message on a users shell account on debian? |
| 04:29.52 | Abhijit | netsend? |
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| 04:30.15 | sn00p | debian |
| 04:30.18 | Abhijit | :-) |
| 04:30.27 | sn00p | no windows |
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| 04:31.53 | Abhijit | sn00p, write |
| 04:31.59 | Abhijit | sn00p, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/99460/linux-shell-sending-messages-to-another-user |
| 04:32.02 | Abhijit | http://linux.die.net/man/1/write |
| 04:32.14 | sn00p | the user isn't logged in tho |
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| 04:32.53 | Abhijit | just create one file and then call him on telephone and tell him to read that file? |
| 04:32.54 | Abhijit | :-p |
| 04:33.26 | sn00p | that would defeat the purpose |
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| 04:33.59 | sn00p | and if I could have called him i already would of done that |
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| 05:07.13 | kerneloopz | you could send him a text and tell him to open the file :P |
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| 05:16.43 | rryoumaa | when i run deluge on a torrent, it does not add it. the man page says it should. |
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| 05:26.13 | miandonmenmian | the sources.list links are browsable ? i'm hoping to check the packages from a specific repo |
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| 05:33.06 | kerneloopz | I'm in a live environment and I have two disks that I'd like to set up with RAID 1. How do I install Debian/Ubuntu/Mint on it? Grub doesn't seem to like the RAID /dev/md0 device |
| 05:34.39 | hesperaux_ | create a raid1 boot partition and install grub into both hard drives |
| 05:34.53 | hesperaux_ | and then there are some instructions somewhere on how to tell the kernel where your root is |
| 05:35.16 | hesperaux_ | i think grub 2 detects that automagically most of the time |
| 05:36.00 | kerneloopz | could I do a full install of Debian onto one drive, then open up into the live environment and create RAID 1, thus syncing the two? |
| 05:36.09 | kerneloopz | I'm new to RAID 1 |
| 05:36.16 | kerneloopz | I'm new to RAID in general |
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| 05:37.01 | hesperaux_ | no, because when you create a raid1 it wipes the data |
| 05:37.23 | hesperaux_ | and btw i thought you said raid0 at first; sorry |
| 05:37.32 | kerneloopz | no, RAID 1 |
| 05:37.42 | kerneloopz | could you lay out the steps for me please? |
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| 05:38.53 | hesperaux_ | it's been some time since I've done anything that way |
| 05:39.01 | hesperaux_ | isn't there a wiki on that? |
| 05:39.09 | kerneloopz | not sure |
| 05:39.40 | kerneloopz | found https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/how-to-set-up-disk-mirroring-raid-1 |
| 05:39.44 | kerneloopz | what do you think about that? |
| 05:40.09 | kerneloopz | I'd like to use the whole drive, so I'm not sure I need a partition first |
| 05:42.52 | hesperaux_ | you'll just wanna create one partition on each, of the same size |
| 05:43.44 | hesperaux_ | and then you can follow that tutorial - if the debian install CD doesn't have those utilities, you can create the array from knoppix or sysrescuecd or whatever. then in the debian installer, instead of partitioning just tell it to use existing devices. It should auto-load your raid array at that point. |
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| 05:44.45 | kerneloopz | hmm |
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| 05:44.58 | kerneloopz | so create a partition on each, then do that |
| 05:45.15 | kerneloopz | then install Debian/Mint/Ubuntu onto... what? the /dev/md0 device? |
| 05:45.22 | kerneloopz | Grub goes there too? |
| 05:45.33 | kerneloopz | I had a fatal grub error last time I tried that |
| 05:46.03 | hesperaux_ | right |
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| 05:46.30 | hesperaux_ | with grub, I don't know for sure. I'm not very knowledgeable about grub2 yet. In the grub1 days, you would install grub into the MBR of both raid1 disks, and you could boot your bios to either disk and load linux |
| 05:48.12 | kerneloopz | so when I make the raid array, it takes a long time, like several hours |
| 05:48.24 | kerneloopz | the drives are empty, is there a way to skip that? |
| 05:48.46 | hesperaux_ | uhh |
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| 05:49.21 | hesperaux_ | mdadm likes to do that. I haven't used it in a couple years, but I think you can delay the rebuild until later. So you can pause it, stop the array, then bring it back up under the installer |
| 05:49.37 | jalalsfs | You add /dev/md0 to /etc/fstab as any other partition. |
| 05:49.39 | hesperaux_ | At that point, you can use the array while it rebuilds, so that means installing debian etc. It will just be slower to install |
| 05:50.05 | hesperaux_ | if you look at mdadm --manage --help i think, it should show you some options |
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| 05:50.10 | hesperaux_ | mdadm --stop /dev/md0 for example |
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| 06:00.53 | kerneloopz | It looks like I need to install grub in the RAID device |
| 06:00.58 | kerneloopz | I'll try that again |
| 06:01.23 | hesperaux_ | in my experience, the grub install script hates me forever |
| 06:01.40 | hesperaux_ | i've rarely had success with it, but i do weird setups. i have a-o hard drives in one box for example |
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| 06:13.20 | dondelelcaro | hesperaux_: it usually works pretty well... the major problem with it tends to be when it has gotten the device map horribly screwed up |
| 06:13.33 | dondelelcaro | hesperaux_: but if you run it with debugging on, you can usually see where it's gotten things wrong |
| 06:13.48 | hesperaux_ | good to know |
| 06:13.55 | hesperaux_ | yeah I was installing linux to /dev/sde ;P |
| 06:14.00 | hesperaux_ | (last time it failed) |
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| 06:19.32 | kerneloopz | hesperaux_: ok, so I made partitions and am now rebuilding RAID |
| 06:19.51 | kerneloopz | I think my problem last time was that the superblock was at the beginning, messing with my FS and also GRUB |
| 06:20.12 | hesperaux_ | good to hear |
| 06:20.23 | kerneloopz | I know I can stop it and install Linux, but how about Grub, or do I need to wait? |
| 06:20.33 | kerneloopz | I can restart my machine without it full complete? |
| 06:20.37 | kerneloopz | *fully |
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| 06:21.08 | kerneloopz | I just want to be efficient |
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| 06:24.07 | hesperaux_ | you can probably install everything before it finishes rebuilding |
| 06:24.50 | kerneloopz | ETA 2 hours on this rebuild |
| 06:25.12 | kerneloopz | the question is can I install grub as well and restart without it completed |
| 06:27.10 | hesperaux_ | if you stop the array properly, it should be fine. not positive |
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| 06:29.18 | kerneloopz | since I'm new to RAID, what is the effect of stopping the array sync? I already know the drives are identical, or is it doing something else? |
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| 06:30.29 | dondelelcaro | kerneloopz: you can just reboot with the resync in progress |
| 06:30.32 | dondelelcaro | kerneloopz: it's not a big deal |
| 06:30.49 | hesperaux_ | since it has no real data, there is no risk |
| 06:30.52 | kerneloopz | ok I'll give it a go |
| 06:30.54 | kerneloopz | ok |
| 06:31.21 | dondelelcaro | unless you run into a bug (pretty unlikely), the resync should survive power outages |
| 06:31.33 | kerneloopz | ok |
| 06:31.37 | kerneloopz | what risks would there be? |
| 06:31.37 | dondelelcaro | at least, I've not yet run into a problem with it failing, assuming it at least got to writing out the super blocks |
| 06:31.44 | Szeraa | Hi all! I created a debian (32bit) VirtualBox image on win7 (64) and installed LXDE on it. Works great! I used vboxmanage to clone the HD to a .img file that I wrote to a flash drive. Booting works great! But after starting lightdm, I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor on the top left. |
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| 06:32.27 | dondelelcaro | kerneloopz: about the biggest risk you could have is one of the devices wouldn't have all of the changes written to it, and it would have to be resynced. That's pretty much it |
| 06:32.30 | Szeraa | Not sure what is causing it. I'm using the Nouveua driver according to dmesg (don't have any Xorg.conf file) and using nomodeset or xforcevesa doesn't do anything |
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| 06:37.41 | kerneloopz | hesperaux_: for the record --stop deletes the RAID device, --assume-clean is what I want |
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| 06:38.24 | hesperaux_ | it doesn't delete the raid device, but /dev/md0 will go away, yes |
| 06:38.29 | hesperaux_ | you can still --assemble it again |
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| 06:38.33 | hesperaux_ | the raid remains intact |
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| 06:53.23 | kerneloopz | "failed to get canonical path of /cow." thanks grub, I didn't know /cow was a thing |
| 06:54.56 | Abhijit | throw it a bull. |
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| 06:57.03 | Soothsayer | While using IP Tables, can I get the source address to be a domain / hostname? (So if I want to allow connections from a certain server to a database port on my system, I can create an /etc/hosts entry called âfooâ to that server and then via IP tables whitelist connections from âfooâ to database port)? |
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| 06:58.38 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: yes, you can specify source addresses by hostname |
| 06:58.49 | Soothsayer | dondelelcaro: is it a good idea? |
| 06:59.12 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: generally not. It's usually better to just use IP addresses |
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| 06:59.54 | hesperaux_ | always use hostnames when possible if your DNS is reliable and trustworthy |
| 06:59.59 | hesperaux_ | that is my opinion |
| 07:00.03 | Soothsayer | dondelelcaro: is it also possible to enter a wildcard of hostnames? |
| 07:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: no |
| 07:00.21 | Soothsayer | well, I am not entrusting it to any DNS, but rather to /etc/hosts entries. So hostnames will be private ones.. |
| 07:00.52 | dondelelcaro | the problem with hostnames is that they have to resolve, and that means having the interface up and working before you apply the iptables rules |
| 07:01.05 | hesperaux_ | use of /etc/hosts is for statically assigned IPs and aliases |
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| 07:02.51 | Soothsayer | hmmm. got it. |
| 07:02.59 | Soothsayer | I guess Iâll just stick to IPâs then |
| 07:03.27 | Soothsayer | its just when Iâm cloning a server to scale horizontally, iâve to add an IP tables entry for it on the database server, redis server, etc (to allow incoming connections from the new server created) |
| 07:05.02 | Soothsayer | dondelelcaro: hesperaux_ how is this generally handled by devops / developers? |
| 07:05.38 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: I personally use ferm to do that, and I usually have my servers in known netblocks |
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| 07:05.54 | kerneloopz | hesperaux_: fixed that grub thing by mounting some more stuff and chrooting in. Now I get "error: disk 'md0,1' not found". What's going on? |
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| 07:06.37 | hesperaux_ | before you chrooted in, did you bind /dev to /mnt/dev or whatever? |
| 07:06.38 | Soothsayer | dondelelcaro: got it. Do services like AWS, Linode, DigitalOcean, etc provide netblocks? |
| 07:07.07 | kerneloopz | hesperaux_: yes, per http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows |
| 07:07.11 | hesperaux_ | Soothsayer, you could set up a virtual firewall since you have VMs and then use virtual nics that support VLANs maybe. that's a good amount of work though |
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| 07:07.18 | hesperaux_ | ok |
| 07:07.21 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: if you have lots of servers there, you could potentially do that |
| 07:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Soothsayer: alternatively, if you have lots of servers, you probably use something like puppet, and you can have the ferm rules (or whatever you use) automatically generated from the puppet (or chef) facter store |
| 07:08.11 | dondelelcaro | iirc; it's been a while since I've used puppet |
| 07:08.14 | hesperaux_ | likes the puppet idea |
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| 07:08.29 | kerneloopz | so did Sauron |
| 07:08.31 | hesperaux_ | using puppet to fix your firewall could be tasty |
| 07:08.44 | Soothsayer | dondelelcaro: got it. (though i just struggle with puppet.. it looks like a full-time job to me :-P ) |
| 07:08.45 | dondelelcaro | that's actually what Debian's DSA does |
| 07:09.04 | dondelelcaro | we use puppet to create ferm rules |
| 07:09.13 | dondelelcaro | and they have their puppet configuration available in git |
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| 07:20.44 | kerneloopz | hesperaux_: any ideas about this error? |
| 07:21.49 | hesperaux_ | sorry kerneloopz |
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| 07:27.15 | yowza | hello. anyone know if switching from a amd64 to an intel 64-bit computer would cause a 3GB barrier unless I also change my kernel? |
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| 07:34.24 | yowza | unless Im wrong, debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode) suggests installing following packages: intel-microcode iucode-tool. |
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| 07:34.31 | kerneloopz | how do you mean switching? |
| 07:34.44 | valdyn | yowza: what barrier? |
| 07:34.48 | yowza | oops. I meant to say: unless Im wrong, debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode suggests installing following packages: intel-microcode iucode-tool. |
| 07:35.21 | yowza | 3GB RAM barrier. I have 6Gb installed, BIOS says I have 6GB but debian says only 3.2GB RAM |
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| 07:35.39 | valdyn | yowza: you are probably using an i386 kernel |
| 07:35.47 | kerneloopz | yep |
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| 07:35.53 | valdyn | yowza: you should be using an amd64 kernel |
| 07:36.06 | yowza | By switching I mean that I have changed computers from an AMD64 to and intel 64-bit |
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| 07:36.39 | kerneloopz | changed computers? Like what do you mean? Changed out the CPU? |
| 07:36.59 | yowza | no just put my hard drive in a different PC |
| 07:37.06 | kerneloopz | oh |
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| 07:37.24 | yowza | its a weird problem! |
| 07:37.24 | kerneloopz | yes, you will need a new kernel |
| 07:37.42 | yowza | really? |
| 07:37.47 | kerneloopz | and reinstall your software as 64-bit too |
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| 07:38.07 | valdyn | yowza: you should use an amd64 kernel in any case, you dont need to reinstall |
| 07:38.10 | kerneloopz | most likely. I mean you can run with a 32 bit kernel and software, but you won't see that extra RAM |
| 07:39.05 | yowza | uname -a returns: Linux if 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:39.25 | valdyn | yowza: that already is an amd64 kernel |
| 07:39.40 | yowza | Ive got 64 bit kernel, but I guess because its amd not intel its causing problems? |
| 07:39.44 | valdyn | yowza: maybe your bios restricts the amount of ram |
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| 07:39.57 | valdyn | yowza: no, amd64 is the same thing |
| 07:40.19 | yowza | oh no, that would suck if my kernel restricts the RAM :-( |
| 07:40.36 | yowza | I mean my BIOS restricts RAM |
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| 07:42.55 | yowza | ok so my 3.2.0-4-amd64 should be ok with an intel processor? |
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| 07:43.45 | pclover | how old of a cpu? |
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| 07:44.01 | Name141 | What's the best way to install debian? Using a CD, or a netinstall CD? |
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| 07:44.17 | kerneloopz | live CD |
| 07:44.24 | kerneloopz | but define "best" |
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| 07:44.33 | yowza | my cpu is Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz |
| 07:44.36 | Name141 | kerneloopz: "most stable" |
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| 07:44.48 | kerneloopz | they are all equal |
| 07:44.54 | pclover | how much do you have |
| 07:44.56 | pclover | ram |
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| 07:45.37 | yowza | I have 6GB but debian says I have 3GB. |
| 07:45.37 | Name141 | kerneloopz: does unetbooten (spelling) screw up debian boot from flash like it does CentOS ? |
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| 07:46.05 | kerneloopz | no idea |
| 07:46.24 | pclover | yowza, what does uname -a output? |
| 07:46.40 | yowza | The 3GB barrier is a common problem, but nothing they suggest seems to be the cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GB_barrier |
| 07:47.05 | yowza | uname -a returns: Linux if 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:47.40 | jelly-home | yowza: then that's all the kernel sees, it's not a 32-bit kernel limitation |
| 07:47.55 | jelly-home | yowza: does BIOS show 6GB? |
| 07:48.01 | yowza | yes |
| 07:48.07 | yowza | my BIOS does look like it should be in a museum. Maybe I should lookup whether it can handle +3GB! |
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| 07:48.50 | jelly-home | yowza: can you pastebin the output of dmesg, or all the lines in /var/log/kern.log since last reboot? |
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| 07:51.01 | ChrisH | Name141: unetbootin tends to screw up Debian. and my prefered way to install is netinst image |
| 07:51.06 | jelly-home | yowza: that kernel is supposed to work just fine on intel 64bit cpus |
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| 07:56.40 | yowza | jelly-home: done it! http://pastebin.com/d8fULgr6 |
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| 07:58.05 | jelly-home | yowza: the bios-provided memory map doesn't show anything past 4GB |
| 07:59.20 | jelly-home | yowza: see if there's a bios firmware update, or a setting someplace in it |
| 07:59.25 | yowza | ok. I thought it might be something do do with memory mapping. I wonder if its a problem caused by my graphics card |
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| 07:59.28 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. When I am running a perl script in my browser using the perl which was installed with Debian wheezy, who is writing to the file? I have the file to be written to set to -rwxr-xr-x. I think I should be able to write to that file but I can't. I get Permission denied. |
| 08:00.09 | yowza | there arent any MMIO settings in the BIOS. The BIOS settings are pretty limited, so I think a BIOS firmware update is a good move |
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| 08:00.58 | Lady_Aleena | Should I just chmod the file (and maybe all my Docments) to 777 so I don't run into this problem again? |
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| 08:01.45 | kerneloopz | lol |
| 08:01.47 | kerneloopz | do not do that |
| 08:02.11 | kerneloopz | Lady_Aleena: what's the name of the file? |
| 08:02.20 | Lady_Aleena | kerneloopz, module_list.txt |
| 08:02.25 | kerneloopz | ok |
| 08:02.28 | kerneloopz | run this: |
| 08:02.29 | bezaban | Lady_Aleena: if you are running it using your web server it is run by the www-data user by default. |
| 08:02.35 | kerneloopz | stat module_list.txt |
| 08:02.48 | kerneloopz | I'd like to know the Uid and Gid |
| 08:02.54 | yowza | jelly-home: ok. I will go away and investigate BIOS firmware updates. Thank you for your help :-) |
| 08:03.28 | Lady_Aleena | Uid: ( 1000/ $ME) Gid: ( 1000/ $ME) # $ME is my real name which I used. |
| 08:03.38 | kerneloopz | right |
| 08:04.15 | kerneloopz | try running: sudo chgrp www-data module_list.txt |
| 08:04.22 | jelly-home | yowza: I presume memtest86 or memtest86+ do not see full RAM either? |
| 08:04.35 | kerneloopz | then: sudo chmod 750 module_list.txt |
| 08:04.53 | yowza | jelly-home: hmm, I havent tried that. brb |
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| 08:05.10 | kerneloopz | oops, try 760 |
| 08:05.19 | kerneloopz | sudo chmod 760 module_list.txt |
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| 08:06.39 | multi_io | 's tool of the day: nocache(1) |
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| 08:07.44 | multi_io | the ultimate livesaver when doing rsync backups! |
| 08:07.48 | Lady_Aleena | kerneloopz, can I add all the files in that folder to the group, while still keeping 755? |
| 08:08.13 | diegoaguilar | Hello, anyone here knows where to find a good guide about how to setup a mail server with postfix, dovecot and not a database |
| 08:08.33 | diegoaguilar | and this whole DNS records stuff |
| 08:08.56 | kerneloopz | Lady_Aleena: sure, try "sudo chgrp www-data *" then "sudo chmod 760 *" |
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| 08:09.39 | kerneloopz | oh, you mean 755? No, you need read and write permissions for the group (www-data, the web server), so that number must have the write bit on |
| 08:09.50 | Lady_Aleena | kerneloopz, will the browser still be able to run the scripts, and will I still be able to edit them in my text editor (in wine)? |
| 08:09.51 | kerneloopz | so 4, 6, or 7 |
| 08:09.56 | kerneloopz | yes |
| 08:09.58 | kerneloopz | to both |
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| 08:10.14 | kerneloopz | what text editor are you running through wine? |
| 08:10.21 | Lady_Aleena | Notepad++ |
| 08:11.08 | kerneloopz | ah. I use Sublime Text, but whatever works for you |
| 08:11.23 | hesperaux_ | geany is a great linux text editor with a shell built-in and multiple syntax support |
| 08:11.25 | yowza | jelly-home: ok, ive installed memtest and updated grub. Im gonna take it for a spin and see what it says. be back in a bit! |
| 08:11.43 | hesperaux_ | goes to bed |
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| 08:12.08 | kerneloopz | does the same, it's 2am, night guys |
| 08:12.36 | Lady_Aleena | So, before I do the chgrp, I would like to make sure I have the right syntax. 'chgrp -R www-data *' |
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| 08:13.04 | kerneloopz | yes |
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| 08:13.41 | Lady_Aleena | growls. |
| 08:14.01 | Lady_Aleena | I so wish I could make $ME = root so I wouldn't have to type the word sudo anymore. |
| 08:14.33 | hesperaux_ | su - |
| 08:14.36 | hesperaux_ | or sudo bash |
| 08:14.50 | hesperaux_ | don't know if debian gives bash to sudo |
| 08:15.03 | hesperaux_ | 'su - ' always works |
| 08:15.05 | hesperaux_ | really sleeps |
| 08:16.37 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: you shouldn't have a need to type sudo for normal, daily work |
| 08:17.44 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, it is just a pita to have to type a command in twice when I come across one which I can't use unless it is with sudo. |
| 08:19.19 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: maybe you could teach yourself about unix permissions enough to understand which ones require admin privileges in advance, then you wouldn't have to try those without sudo |
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| 08:20.51 | jelly-home | but that's not what I meant -- if you have to run stuff as admin on a regular basis, something else is misplaced or misconfigured in your workflow. It should not be necessary to be root too often. |
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| 08:22.52 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, I want to just type 'cpan Module::Name', not 'sudo cpan Module::Name' (I install modules on a whim most of the time.) I want to run my scripts with just 'script_name.pl' not './script_name.pl'. |
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| 08:25.05 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: so you're a developer. Installation requires admin privileges. |
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| 08:26.27 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: what you want and what the best practice is, can be different. For both of these examples, I'd say "big deal, learn to live with it" |
| 08:26.53 | geoffr | Hi, does anyone perhaps know how to force a package to be installed from backports in a control file when building a package? |
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| 08:27.19 | Lady_Aleena | I am used to being GOD (like when I am on a Windows XP computer) when using a computer, and not having to jump through hoops to get things done. |
| 08:27.37 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: as for the latter, put executable scripts into a directory in your PATH, then they'll be available to run without specifying the path (./) |
| 08:28.21 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, ALL of my scripts are executable, so is PATH recursive? |
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| 08:29.02 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: PATH is just an array of named directories to look for executables. |
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| 08:29.16 | jelly-home | in. |
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| 08:30.09 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: it doesn't matter how many scripts you have, as long as the directories they're stored in are listed in PATH |
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| 08:31.06 | Lady_Aleena | So if I add /home/$ME/Documents/fantasy/ to the path, I will be able to run stuff in /home/$ME/Documents/fantasy/working/ without the ./? |
| 08:31.28 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: no. |
| 08:31.41 | Lady_Aleena | So, not recursive. |
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| 08:32.02 | jelly-home | right |
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| 08:32.44 | Lady_Aleena | I'd have to add over a dozen paths. *head desk* |
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| 08:33.38 | Name141 | I had to use image writer in windows |
| 08:33.44 | Name141 | unetbooten didn't work properly. |
| 08:34.13 | ChrisH | Lady_Aleena: therefore one normally put all script into one directory like ~$ME/bin and only put ~$ME/bin to PATH |
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| 08:34.49 | ChrisH | Name141: thats expected... unetbootin does mix up things with debian. a simple cp will work for eg. USB sticks |
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| 08:35.43 | Name141 | ChrisH: I figure Spotify will be easier to install on debian than CentOS anyway? Without all the alien stuff. |
| 08:35.47 | Name141 | or wine. |
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| 08:37.41 | Lady_Aleena | ChrisH, I use directories to keep scripts with different topics together. I wouldn't mix my role-playing scripts with my favorite people scripts. |
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| 08:39.06 | Lady_Aleena | Well, just counted the amount of directories in /home/$ME/fantasy/ and it is up to 541 directories to add to PATH. |
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| 08:39.29 | jelly-home | and you have custom scripts in each? |
| 08:39.30 | Lady_Aleena | Oops, /home/$ME/Documents/fantasy |
| 08:39.43 | Lady_Aleena | Scripts, modules, data, and other misc. |
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| 08:40.47 | jelly-home | keep using ./ then |
| 08:40.52 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: you could probably come up with a script to create a directory full of launcher symlinks |
| 08:41.15 | Lady_Aleena | Dewi, I've not gotten that far yet. |
| 08:41.19 | jelly-home | even a symlink farm in ~/bin would be a mess |
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| 08:42.49 | ChrisH | Lady_Aleena: then consider differnt users and/or use of different source File to switch the different rolles/topics |
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| 08:44.05 | Lady_Aleena | ChrisH, most of my scripts are for my website. |
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| 08:44.35 | kale | in which package would i find uconv? |
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| 08:44.57 | jolt | kale: packages.debian.org or apt-file search could answer that |
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| 08:48.03 | Lady_Aleena | So any files I want to write to from the browser, I have to make sure the permission is 760? |
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| 09:00.52 | Lope_pi | I want to install qemu to run a windows VM headless. apt-get install qemu says it's gonna occupy 267MB disk space after installing all that stuff into my bare bones debian install. It seems excessive. I'd rather not install x11 if I can avoid it. I plan to view the VM's from another machine. |
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| 09:03.51 | RoyK | Lope_pi: it's not just qemu, it's libvirt, preferably kvm and a large bunch of libs |
| 09:04.04 | RoyK | Lope_pi: anyway - 267MB isn't really a lot these days :P |
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| 09:04.52 | ChrisH | Lady_Aleena: I have not understood what you are really doing, but having executablke scripts inside your webserver's http-root might not be the best idea. It might make sense to have $ME the owner of these files and allow apache to read via the group permissions. But all that depends many details. |
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| 09:09.13 | Lady_Aleena | ChrisH, such as? |
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| 09:10.00 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: typically the web server will run as a user, and unix permissions divide into "user" (meaning owner) "group" and "other" |
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| 09:10.42 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: is it a completely static website? |
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| 09:10.50 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 09:11.33 | Lady_Aleena | There are a few searches, a few dropdown boxes to select something, but for the most part, completely static. |
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| 09:11.47 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: static search? |
| 09:11.54 | Lady_Aleena | I do not have any user input to deal with. |
| 09:12.05 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: 760 means -rwxrw----: owner read-write-execute, group read+write, other no access |
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| 09:12.15 | Lady_Aleena | RoyK, I provide the data which can not be changed by the user. |
| 09:12.24 | RoyK | k |
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| 09:12.46 | Lady_Aleena | The only way a user can share thoughts with me in through a mailto link. |
| 09:13.02 | Lady_Aleena | ...or on Twitter. |
| 09:13.07 | RoyK | k |
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| 09:14.35 | Lady_Aleena | I am not savvy enough to write scripts which take user input, check it for badness and spelling and grammar, etc. I want to thoroughly vet anything submitted before it gets to the site. |
| 09:14.40 | Lope_pi | Roy, Yeah I know it's not a lot |
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| 09:14.58 | Lope_pi | I just thought it's silly to install x11 when I'm not gonna be displaying VM's on that machine |
| 09:16.41 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: so if we assume you own the files, but the web server shares a group with the files, 760 will work, 740 would be enough, or 640 on non-directory files |
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| 09:17.39 | RoyK | Lope_pi: not x11, but the xlibs |
| 09:18.01 | RoyK | Lope_pi: you need those to start stuff like virt-manager and have the window displayed on your own PC (remote x) |
| 09:18.27 | Lady_Aleena | Dewi, I usually just do 755, so everything is executable (even the text files). |
| 09:18.32 | Lope_pi | roy: what would I neex X libs for? I don't want virt-manager on the server, and the VM's are gonna be windows? |
| 09:18.46 | Lady_Aleena | is going to bed in about 10 minutes. |
| 09:19.07 | ChrisH | Lady_Aleena: do not set text files executable... only the directories need the +x to allow a cd into them |
| 09:19.27 | RoyK | Lope_pi: not sure what needs the xlibs, then |
| 09:19.29 | Lady_Aleena | ChrisH, without being executable, they won't display in the browser. |
| 09:19.35 | RoyK | Lope_pi: but anyway - it won't hurt |
| 09:19.49 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: uh - files without +x display fine |
| 09:19.55 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: they should do, but it's possible the directories need it |
| 09:19.58 | Lope_pi | RoyK, maybe the Xlibs are needed to make the VNC server? |
| 09:20.10 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: but if you turn off x on the dirs, they won't work |
| 09:20.13 | RoyK | Lope_pi: guess so |
| 09:20.14 | Lope_pi | RoyK, yeah I figured, I'm installing everything |
| 09:20.18 | Lady_Aleena | RoyK, I had tried every chmod combination I could lay my hands on at one time, nothing but 755 worked. |
| 09:20.25 | ChrisH | Lady_Aleena: then there is something else wrong... lets postpone this until you slept and you show us more details |
| 09:20.44 | Dewi | Lady_Aleena: 755 isn't executable for anyone except the owner |
| 09:20.46 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: it won't hurt (at least without cli configured) |
| 09:20.49 | Lady_Aleena | Actually, I think we are now veering offtopic. |
| 09:21.20 | Dewi | oops, so it is |
| 09:21.26 | Lope_pi | Dewi, with the exception that you can execute scripts that are not executable by executing the interpreter and pointing them at the script. |
| 09:21.30 | Dewi | numerics are too hard to figure out |
| 09:21.56 | RoyK | Dewi: not really |
| 09:22.11 | Lope_pi | Dewi, numerics are piss easy. People need to learn 3 binary numbers. Not hard at all. |
| 09:22.15 | Lady_Aleena | If you all want, we can pick this conversation back up tomorrow in #debian-offtopic. You will know when I am there. |
| 09:22.16 | Dewi | because thinking in octal is such a useful skill |
| 09:22.39 | RoyK | Dewi: understanding things is a very useful skill ;) |
| 09:22.56 | Dewi | which is a great reason to avoid the arcane |
| 09:23.31 | RoyK | yeah - do your best to avoid learning something new ;) |
| 09:23.33 | Lope_pi | 4=read 2=write 1=execute/change. I bet a 4 year old could learn that. |
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| 09:23.56 | Dewi | I have learned it, but it's a waste of time to figure out |
| 09:24.12 | RoyK | no such thing |
| 09:24.12 | imaami | lol |
| 09:24.23 | MarvelDigital | is it possible to dual monitor on debian with one playing a full screen video game (i.e. counter-strike/urban terror) while the other monitor is say playing a video simultaneously? i looked into solutions (i.e. using alt-tab, fnot using full screen for the game, using a virtualbox to play the game), but there doesn't seem to be an elegant one. |
| 09:24.33 | Lope_pi | Each to their own. just try not to impose your beliefs on others. |
| 09:25.02 | Dewi | maybe take your own advice? |
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| 09:25.08 | Dewi | unless you're going to offer some evidence |
| 09:26.00 | Dewi | if somebody doesn't understand the permissions system, dealing with the numbers is a terrible way to communicate or learn how it really works |
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| 09:26.12 | cynicallemon | love to see the linux community in harmony |
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| 09:26.56 | nkuttler | MarvelDigital: depends on the game. try #steamlug or such for a more appropriate channel |
| 09:27.01 | Lady_Aleena | Good $daypart everyone! I'm off to talk to the Sandman. |
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| 09:27.33 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: nite |
| 09:27.39 | MarvelDigital | nkuttler, thanks. i'll have a look at that. |
| 09:27.44 | Dewi | night Lady_Aleena, good luck with your scripts |
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| 09:28.16 | Lady_Aleena | RoyK, night. Dewi, night and thanks. |
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| 09:31.40 | Lope_pi | Dewi, I didn't try to tell you to use numeric permissions, you're the one advocating that people not use them. You just said they're difficult, and you think adding 4 2 and 1 are a waste of your time. While I find it hard to believe it would take anyone a long time to add those numbers together, I respect your preference. |
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| 09:32.03 | yowza | jelly-home: lol |
| 09:32.04 | Dewi | Lope_pi: WHY are you arguing with me? |
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| 09:32.15 | Lope_pi | I'm not, I support you. |
| 09:32.16 | yowza | s/jelly-home: lol/lol |
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| 09:34.15 | hazrpg | I have an encrypted drive, and when I recently changed my password... I try to login but it shows ".ICEauthority can't update" or something like that, and when I check its because my home isn't being decrypted, how do I solve this? |
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| 09:35.41 | yowza | jelly-home: hi are you still about? that memtest86 took aaaages! |
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| 09:47.26 | yowza | hazrpg: can you get into a tty to mount your encrypted partition by command line? are you using ecryptfs or LUKS encryption? |
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| 09:50.23 | idl0r | hm, can i tell apt to trust a specific repo without using signed packages etc.? |
| 09:50.29 | jelly | yowza: but did it see 6GB? |
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| 09:52.19 | yowza | jelly: memtest86+ identified my four RAM cards but then on displaying info such as cpu chipset, it said "Memory 3326M" :-/ |
| 09:52.48 | yowza | so it saw that I have 6GB worth but only seems to be using 3326MB |
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| 09:55.13 | jelly | yowza: yeah, a bios issue I guess, then |
| 09:56.12 | yowza | jelly: yeah i guess it must be. I will look into updating my firmware. its dated at 7/12/2007. |
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| 09:56.23 | jelly | maybe you can find one from 2008! |
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| 10:09.15 | yowza | jelly: ooh i found one from 2009! but theyre all fecking windows executable files on the dell website. |
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| 10:09.52 | jelly | yowza: if you're lucky, those are self-extractors for bootable floppy images |
| 10:10.08 | jelly | \floppy/ |
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| 10:11.33 | yowza | jelly: theyre .exe files. doesnt that mean I have to boot into some windows hdd or run a virtual computer |
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| 10:12.23 | addaitech | depends on the program, might be able to run them in wine |
| 10:12.28 | jelly | yowza: it depends. Sometimes an .exe is a .zip with some self-extracting code attached |
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| 10:13.04 | rccc | hello |
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| 10:13.23 | rccc | i 've just installed a Wheezy |
| 10:13.32 | rccc | rootfs is full |
| 10:13.45 | rccc | 303 mo et no space free |
| 10:13.59 | rccc | but baibad say ma '/' is full too |
| 10:14.05 | rccc | *baobab |
| 10:14.11 | yowza | yowza: unzip is unhappy with the file. its accusing it of not being a zip file :-/ |
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| 10:20.36 | jelly | yowza: you're not that lucky, then |
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| 10:21.05 | Sbroker` | hi one question, ssd disk capability is named in decimal or binary? |
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| 10:23.43 | yowza | jelly: hehe. but wait.. wine has come to the rescue! |
| 10:24.02 | yowza | jelly: ..if i can get it working.. |
| 10:24.32 | rccc | baoab says my disk is full with 13 go, but my disk capacity is more than 100 go |
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| 10:24.48 | rccc | df -h says that rootfs is empty with 303 mo |
| 10:25.19 | rccc | is it because rootfs is empty that baobab says my '/' partition is full ? |
| 10:26.03 | jelly | Sbroker`: it's base 10 |
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| 10:30.39 | rccc | what is the problem with rootfs ? |
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| 10:30.57 | rccc | is there a solution ? |
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| 10:31.39 | jelly | rccc: can you pastebin the output of "df" and a screenshot of this baobab thing? |
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| 10:32.29 | crypto_guy | hello, i am looking for a command in one line that get file size in bytes and do 'openssl rand SIZE -out NAME' |
| 10:32.32 | jelly | rccc: also "df -i" |
| 10:33.33 | jelly | crypto_guy: use "stat" tool to get just the file size |
| 10:33.51 | rccc | jelly: ok |
| 10:34.57 | crypto_guy | jelly: it is portable ? (*bsd and gnu/linux) , it work with big files in 32bit? (sorry i don't know bash scripting :o) |
| 10:35.55 | jelly | crypto_guy: portable yes, existing by default, unlikely (GNU coreutils). yes it works with large files. |
| 10:36.39 | jelly | it will exist on Linux distros, dunno about bsd |
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| 10:38.07 | Name141 | Is it nessessary to setup smbpasswd or users just to share files publicly to windows? |
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| 10:38.57 | xiqy | What does the "s" in these permission bits mean: drwxr-s---? I've never seen it before. |
| 10:39.25 | Wulf | xiqy: man chmod. should be g+s |
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| 10:40.15 | bezaban | xiqy: setgid bit, run executable as group in this case |
| 10:40.26 | Wulf | bezaban: it's a directory |
| 10:40.50 | bezaban | Wulf: aha! |
| 10:40.50 | xiqy | Wulf: Thanks, sorry for not RTFM. |
| 10:41.04 | crypto_guy | jelly: thanks! "stat $FILE_NAME --format='openssl rand %s -out %n.random'" |
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| 10:43.11 | Wulf | xiqy: is it explained in that manual? |
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| 10:44.30 | xiqy | Wulf: It says "set user or group ID on execution (s)". Haven't quite figured out what that means for a directory yet, but I'll search the web some more. |
| 10:44.52 | supay | i went with debian minimal 64bit on my new vps.. *fingers crossed* :) |
| 10:45.06 | bezaban | xiqy: on directories it sets the ownership of files in that directory to said group |
| 10:45.24 | Wulf | xiqy: do as root: mkdir /tmp/{foo,bar}; chmod 3777 /tmp/foo; chmod 1777 /tmp/bar. Then as user: touch /tmp/{foo,bar}/test |
| 10:45.41 | Wulf | xiqy: or instead of root, another user |
| 10:45.44 | bezaban | or better demonstrated for reader comprehension :) |
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| 10:46.58 | Hertug | hey |
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| 10:48.06 | xiqy | Wulf: What should I be seeing? I was able to touch both files. |
| 10:48.26 | Hertug | got problem i would like to give www-data user to modify /etc/network/interfaces file using comandline echo "content" > /etc/network/interfaces. How to add correct permissions sudo or any other? |
| 10:48.46 | Hertug | and where |
| 10:48.51 | Wulf | xiqy: compare permissions of the two files |
| 10:48.59 | Wulf | xiqy: they should be owned by different groups now |
| 10:49.35 | xiqy | Wulf: Aha, I see! Thanks for the demonstration. |
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| 10:51.15 | Hertug | ive tried |
| 10:51.16 | Hertug | www-data ALL= NOPASSWD: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:51.22 | Hertug | but with no effect |
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| 10:52.46 | Wulf | Hertug: sudo only allows you to run a command with another user |
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| 10:52.56 | Wulf | Hertug: so you don't get file permissions from sudo. |
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| 10:53.13 | Wulf | Hertug: and why should www-data be able to edit your network config anyway? |
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| 10:54.10 | Hertug | because i neet to program that usr can change server ip address from web browser |
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| 10:54.35 | Hertug | Wulf:because i neet to program that usr can change server ip address from web browser |
| 10:55.19 | tralala | Hertug, not a good idea, but if you want to do it, just write a script that edits the file and give sudo the permissions to run this script. |
| 10:57.39 | Hertug | tralala: so is there any possibility to change interface ip without editing /etc/network/interfaces that stays permament even after reboot? |
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| 10:59.50 | tralala | Hertug, no. I meant that it is not a good idea to give remote users the ability to change the IP address. |
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| 11:01.48 | venkat_330 | I have built a module for my device , which is intended to work on kernel version above 2.6.32 . So, if i want to compile the same code in debian 5 is there a IFDEF mechanism i can use. |
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| 11:03.28 | petn-randall | Hertug: What is the big picture of what you are trying to solve? |
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| 11:05.18 | Hertug | petn-randall: I need to change interface ip using web browser that stay changed after reboot of server |
| 11:05.52 | SynrG | teach the user doing this how to ssh to the system and change it properly |
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| 11:06.18 | petn-randall | Hertug: I get that, but why? |
| 11:06.19 | Hertug | SynrG: You know is is not so colorfull ;) |
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| 11:06.30 | petn-randall | Hertug: What is your setup that you need to be able to do that? |
| 11:06.35 | SynrG | who cares? that's no excuse for sloppy administration |
| 11:07.10 | SynrG | how does the user executing this script get authenticated? how do you know it's not <evil hacker> instead? |
| 11:08.12 | Hertug | petn-randall: I need to provide tool to manage all devices in network. For all but one (server) i doing it via API. |
| 11:08.30 | SynrG | we take a dim view to web administration tools in general. and a dimmer view to hand-rolled ones, because they probably fail to consider more than one possible vector by which you could be exploited, plus they introduce a non-standard, non-obvious (to seasoned admins) way to accomplish something that should be easy doing the standard way |
| 11:08.31 | petn-randall | Hertug: Why not use DHCP for that? |
| 11:09.35 | Hertug | SynrG: Autentication is on WebApp level no unauthorizet "evilHacker" probably wont access it so easily |
| 11:09.47 | SynrG | over https? |
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| 11:11.10 | Hertug | petn-randall: I need to know the address of server to connect to it. And its requirement for me |
| 11:11.19 | SynrG | what's the security record of WebApp? is it an inhouse thing, or third party? how can you be confident <evil hacker> doesn't quickly find a hole to exploit and use this (mis)feature for nefarious purposes? maybe even ones you didn't intend, like editing arbitrary files in /etc ... |
| 11:11.32 | Hertug | SynrG: no https but closed network without access from outside |
| 11:11.43 | SynrG | because what you've described so far indicates to me you're headed in this direction |
| 11:12.09 | SynrG | how do you know there's no access from outside? all you need is a failure in your front line defenses for your network and voila ... access from outside |
| 11:12.25 | SynrG | after that first line of defense fails, <evil hacker> finds your crappy web administration stuff and exploits it |
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| 11:12.32 | SynrG | then you are 0wned |
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| 11:13.15 | SynrG | in short, rethink this problem from a security perspective and come up with a new solution. |
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| 11:14.38 | Lope_pi | I'm running debian wheezy, what package would you recommend I install for running VM's on a system without VT-x? Should I backport? |
| 11:14.49 | Hertug | SynrG: only man in one room have access to server. Via ethernec cable. There is no possibility to someone access it |
| 11:15.01 | Lope_pi | (I'd like to run with qemu) |
| 11:15.03 | Hertug | SynrG: teoreticly |
| 11:15.05 | SynrG | Hertug: also, see what petn-randall asked. "Why not use DHCP for that?" |
| 11:16.11 | SynrG | prefer standard solutions to ad-hoc ones, *especially* where granting (remote) access to things that only root should be able to do. |
| 11:16.30 | Hertug | SynrG: i kinda dont know debian as well as i should and i need static address to make a rout to conec to server |
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| 11:16.44 | SynrG | dhcp handles that case. |
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| 11:17.14 | SynrG | take the MAC of each server and assign static IP at your dhcp server. |
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| 11:19.16 | SynrG | look for 'link/ether' value in the output from 'ip link'. that's your MAC |
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| 11:19.18 | petn-randall | Hertug: Yeah, don't re-invent the wheel. Set up a DHCP server for that subnet. I'd start with dnsmasq, it's a fairly simple daemon. |
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| 11:22.58 | jelly | Hertug: a dhcp server can be configured for static assignments based on MAC addresses of clients |
| 11:24.39 | SynrG | Hertug: as for "theoretically" being secure. don't you think the admins of systems that get hack all believe that? that's why they get hacked. |
| 11:24.50 | SynrG | get hacked* |
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| 11:25.28 | SynrG | your job as an admin is to think of all the possibilities and not deliberately introduce new vectors for attack. your web script would do that. |
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| 11:26.05 | SynrG | it might be the worlds most well thought-out ad-hoc solution to avoid using DHCP, and it would *still* be an additional vector for attack. that's just not good security practice. |
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| 11:31.34 | yowza | jelly: i better run off to work. thank you for your help. i should be able to succeed if i persevere with this BIOS firmware upgrade. have a good day :-) |
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| 11:42.33 | Dr_Coke | what should i do if my soundcard isn't working in debian jessie i have a ga-z97x-gaming-gt motherboard (its a gigabyte) |
| 11:42.44 | Dr_Coke | alc 1150 i think |
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| 12:33.33 | pronto | is there a specfic channel for iceweasel questions? |
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| 12:34.37 | abrotman | here |
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| 12:36.13 | pronto | is there a way to make iceweasel look/act/feel like the older versions? i _hate_ firefox 30 crap |
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| 12:37.32 | rozie | pronto: it's general Firefox question. try searching on the net for firefox |
| 12:37.50 | rozie | I'm pretty sure I saw some advices how to restore old look |
| 12:38.01 | rozie | but not everything is possible AFAIK |
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| 12:39.41 | pronto | i thought the reason for iceweasel was to maintain the look/feel of firefox24 , but keep up with secuirty patches |
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| 12:47.16 | abrotman | pronto: eh, no .. IW30 will look/act like FF30 |
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| 12:50.42 | petn-randall | !tell pronto about why iceweasel |
| 12:50.54 | pronto | okay thats just annoying |
| 12:50.57 | pronto | dont do that |
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| 12:53.15 | petn-randall | pronto: AFAICS security support for 24 was dropped altogether, apparently the security team decides it was easier to pull 31 in than to backport the security patches. |
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| 12:53.52 | jelly | pronto: I'm pretty happy with 31esr after installing https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicthemerestorer/ |
| 12:54.28 | jelly | and configuring it a bit |
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| 13:02.07 | fraff | hi, is there a way to install a linux-image package without having to specify architecture ? |
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| 13:05.11 | rozie | fraff: what you want to acheive (not how) |
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| 13:16.53 | e-anima | i am autoggenerating the cache of my websites with a tool called xenu. basically its just a crawler where i say depth 3 and go. he visits all pages and ok. does naybody know if there is somethink like this for linux? i could then tell my root server to do this automatically every night |
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| 13:18.57 | e-anima | hm i think wget could do this |
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| 13:19.30 | fraff | rozie: I did, I wanted to install a kernel-image from a script, I did with dpkg --print-achitecture or something like that, but I was wondering if there is a package common for all arch |
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| 13:21.43 | towo` | since kernel is arch-depend, how should a common package work? |
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| 13:23.14 | fraff | towo`: I don't know, most packages are arch-depend, but most of them have same name accross differents arch |
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| 13:28.12 | SynrG | fraff: we cannot possibly guess which *flavour* you want |
| 13:28.19 | SynrG | this is not the same thing as architecture |
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| 13:29.43 | SynrG | take i386 architecture, for example. if your processor supports it, you could use an 'amd64 flavour' kernel |
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| 13:30.24 | SynrG | if it doesn't, the best you can do is 686. or if your processor lacks PAE, it needs to use 486 ... |
| 13:30.36 | SynrG | so there is no "one generic name" you can use in this case. |
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| 13:32.20 | SynrG | fraff: if your script uses 'dpkg --print-architecture' that's returning the wrong value. on amd64 this returns 'amd64' which is coincidentally the same name as the kernel flavour you need. on i386, it returns 'i386', but that's not the name of any kernel flavour in debian |
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| 13:33.33 | fraff | SynrG: ok, I understand ... you're rigth, I use /usr/bin/arch in my script |
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| 13:34.00 | SynrG | fraff: but that doesn't name any debian kernel flavour either |
| 13:34.16 | SynrG | on amd64 this returns 'x86_64' which is not a kernel flavour |
| 13:34.28 | fraff | SynrG: no, there's a case .. esac after that |
| 13:34.42 | SynrG | uname -r, however, returns the kernel release, which embeds the flavour |
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| 13:35.39 | SynrG | take care how you parse that. you might be tempted to say "the thing after the last dash is the flavour", but that fails for 686-pae (probably only relevant on very old debian systems, though, as that's renamed 686 now, i think) |
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| 13:36.51 | fraff | SynrG: ok, thanks |
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| 13:37.43 | SynrG | hmm. booting/checking a wheezy i386 system to check |
| 13:38.16 | SynrG | thinks "checking to check" ... smoothly articulated, SynrGy |
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| 13:38.41 | SynrG | ah, yeah, it does: |
| 13:38.44 | SynrG | 3.16-3-686-pae |
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| 13:38.49 | SynrG | that's on a sid system, too. |
| 13:39.30 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 13:39.30 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 13:39.46 | SynrG | fraff: ^^ that factoid embeds a recipe for determining the flavour that should work |
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| 13:43.17 | fraff | SynrG: yes, but I run this script from an USB live debian, so I need to get the arch of the machine, not the one of the running kernel (this worked for now, what do you think ? http://pastebin.com/BqBAmt3i ) |
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| 13:47.44 | SynrG | fraff: i think it fails on non-pae 686 systems. |
| 13:47.51 | SynrG | they do exist :) |
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| 13:49.19 | SynrG | fraff: i don't know for certain what arch actually returns for such systems, though :/ |
| 13:49.45 | SynrG | fraff: debian-installer has some code for determining an appropriate kernel to install. why don't you reuse that? |
| 13:50.50 | SynrG | fraff: incidentally, what are you trying to accomplish? reinventing debian-installer ... ? :) |
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| 13:51.35 | fraff | SynrG: because I haven't had the idea before, I will check that debian-installer code |
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| 13:56.12 | SynrG | fraff: i think it's here: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/base-installer.git/tree/kernel/i386.sh |
| 13:56.27 | SynrG | and of course, all the other files in that dir are for other arches. |
| 13:56.53 | SynrG | so you could swipe the i386.sh and amd64.sh if that's all you care about |
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| 13:57.49 | fraff | SynrG: perfect, thanks |
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| 13:57.55 | SynrG | np |
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| 14:16.27 | hexingb | hello. Can anyone help me installing flash player plugin for chromium browser? |
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| 14:17.42 | towo` | hexingb, apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:18.25 | hexingb | yes i installed flashplugin-nonfree. it works for iceweasel, but not chromium. |
| 14:18.41 | abrotman | no .. that's not what he said |
| 14:18.43 | hexingb | I found libflashplugin.so in /usr/lib/chromium/plugins. |
| 14:19.05 | towo` | pepperflashplugin-nonfree != flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:19.19 | towo` | chromium can't use the okd flashplayer |
| 14:19.23 | hexingb | oh. let me try it. |
| 14:19.24 | towo` | s/okt/old |
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| 14:21.02 | brentaarnold | In Debian 7.7, how does one output to HDMI (MATE DE) |
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| 14:22.15 | SynrG | brentaarnold: using the mate packages from wheezy-backports, or packages provided from some other source? |
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| 14:24.09 | brentaarnold | SynrG: Yes, using wheezy backports |
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| 14:24.27 | SynrG | so, i'm not familiar with mate. is there no "display" configuration gui? |
| 14:24.54 | SynrG | each desktop should privde some sort of RandR gui |
| 14:25.06 | brentaarnold | There is, but either I don't see an HDMI out or it's not installed. |
| 14:25.22 | SynrG | well, let's start with what xrandr says |
| 14:25.23 | brentaarnold | What would it be labeled as? |
| 14:25.35 | SynrG | put that at paste.debian.net for us to examine, please |
| 14:26.07 | SynrG | also, which graphics chipset? |
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| 14:26.25 | SynrG | and if radeon or nvidia, are you using the free driver, or non-free? |
| 14:26.42 | SynrG | the latter have some custom configuration tools for multihead |
| 14:27.45 | brentaarnold | I'm using the Intel Graphics 4000 |
| 14:27.51 | brentaarnold | Onboard HDMI out |
| 14:28.05 | brentaarnold | pasting xrander... |
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| 14:29.59 | hexingb | thanks towo` and abrotman. pepperflashplugin-nonfree works! |
| 14:30.27 | brentaarnold | http://paste.debian.net/129583/ |
| 14:32.10 | SynrG | brentaarnold: looks like it sees both of them |
| 14:32.19 | brentaarnold | One is DVI, one's HDMI |
| 14:32.44 | SynrG | doesn't matter. they're both HDMI from xorg's perspective |
| 14:33.13 | brentaarnold | OK |
| 14:33.20 | SynrG | and what's the problem, then? |
| 14:33.41 | brentaarnold | I'm trying to output my sound to one of the HDMI's but I don't see the option in MATE volume |
| 14:33.54 | brentaarnold | I have HDA Intel PCH |
| 14:34.09 | brentaarnold | But it outputs to my speakers through 3.5mm, not HDMI |
| 14:34.10 | SynrG | ah. then i totally missed your purpose |
| 14:34.18 | SynrG | i thought we were talking about graphics output |
| 14:34.29 | brentaarnold | I'm sorry for the lack of clarification |
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| 14:34.35 | brentaarnold | The video currently works |
| 14:35.30 | SynrG | assuming you use pulseaudio, then either use mate's sound configuration thingy, or else pavucontrol |
| 14:36.23 | brentaarnold | Right. Although changing the output module in the dropdown list in MATE Volume Control doesn't have make any difference |
| 14:36.29 | brentaarnold | Sound still outputs to the same output. |
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| 14:36.43 | SynrG | as i said, i don't know mate ... |
| 14:36.47 | SynrG | pavucontrol should work |
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| 14:38.05 | redShadow | cheers.. I'm experiencing a strange issue with some applications / windows being largely "out of scale": i.e. huge mouse cursor, font, etc., as if they were using different dpi settings (I suppose) but I can't find a clue on what's causing this.. |
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| 14:38.15 | SynrG | changing the output module in the volume control might change which volume it controls without changing the default output (by design, i mean) |
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| 14:38.50 | brentaarnold | SynrG: pavucontrol was the fix! Thankyou sir so very much. |
| 14:38.52 | SynrG | does mate not have sound preferences gui? |
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| 14:39.06 | SynrG | if it does, that's where i'd expect to be able to change the default sound output |
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| 14:39.11 | redShadow | I am using jessie, and this morning I found the NVIDIA driver from packages not working after an upgrade; after fiddling a bit I surrendered and uninstalled the one from packages and installed manually v340 which I knew was working |
| 14:39.11 | brentaarnold | It does, but it's insufficient comparitively. |
| 14:39.17 | SynrG | i see. |
| 14:39.23 | SynrG | well, glad to have been able to help |
| 14:40.48 | redShadow | but right now I have this issue w/ size of some applications. Problem appears with: xchat, gedit, skype contacts window; it does not with: firefox, xfce-terminal, emacs24 |
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| 14:41.06 | redShadow | (so apparently it's not just an issue w/ gtk, ..) |
| 14:41.22 | SynrG | DPI? |
| 14:41.35 | SynrG | i remember once upon a time some nvidia-specific dpi messup |
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| 14:41.59 | redShadow | SynrG: I guess so, but I think I'm missing some dpi setting somewhere.. |
| 14:42.02 | SynrG | and some parameter to fix it ... |
| 14:42.06 | SynrG | (nvidia-specific) |
| 14:42.16 | SynrG | booting up the box i think was afflicted by this problem to check it. |
| 14:43.01 | redShadow | I'm setting xrandr DPI to 96 in ~/.xsession, and it always worked fine; the settings I found in dconf-editor are all "96", ... |
| 14:43.10 | SynrG | that's not it ... |
| 14:43.17 | SynrG | hold, please ... :) |
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| 14:44.12 | redShadow | (btw, xdpyinfo reports 144x144.. but I guess DPI of "huge" windows should be much lower.. right?) |
| 14:44.40 | SynrG | redShadow: in your Device section, put: |
| 14:44.43 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.14 | SynrG | otherwise it gets some wonky value from EDID and everything looks crazy huge |
| 14:45.30 | redShadow | I have no clue on what EDID is, but I trust you :P |
| 14:45.44 | SynrG | it's how monitors convey their specs to the graphics driver |
| 14:45.59 | redShadow | ok, restarting X to check.. BRB |
| 14:46.01 | SynrG | "hey, graphics driver, i'm such-and-such dimensions and can accept these frequencies ..." |
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| 14:48.19 | redShadow | SynrG: cool, it worked for the font size in applications, although I still have huge cursors on (some) windows.. |
| 14:48.20 | SynrG | redShadow: apparently i needed that for a particular monitor/driver combination (back at 319.72) but no longer need it (340.46) |
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| 14:48.43 | SynrG | i don't know if that's a driver change, or the fact i switched monitors sometime along the way |
| 14:48.45 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 14:48.58 | redShadow | SynrG: it's weird as I've been using 340 in the past w/o experiencing this issue.. maybe the combination w/ a new X is introducing it? |
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| 14:49.25 | SynrG | dunno |
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| 14:51.12 | SynrG | all i know is i have an i386 arch sid with amd64 kernel dual-booted with a pure amd64 arch system, also sid, and the old i386/amd64 one had this setting, but the one i'm booted to now (amd64) doesn't have it but font/cursor size looks sane |
| 14:51.38 | SynrG | i rather suspect if i rebooted back to the i386/amd64 system and removed that setting, it would still work. |
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| 14:52.38 | SynrG | as i said, i did shuffle monitors around at some point, so it's hard to untangle all the variables :/ |
| 14:53.27 | redShadow | SynrG: I guess it greatly depends on which driver/xorg combination you have.. sometimes everything seems to be working fine, sometimes an upgrade breaks everything |
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| 14:53.39 | SynrG | mhm |
| 14:53.50 | SynrG | the joys of non-free ... |
| 14:53.52 | SynrG | sigh |
| 14:54.28 | redShadow | I'm quite happy with my current setup as I usually can use 4 monitors at once, and apparently I could add more.. but yeah, a true open driver for nvidia would be great |
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| 14:55.19 | SynrG | sure, we already have that. it's called nouveau :p ... unhappy with the non-free driver? go help make nouveau better :) |
| 14:55.49 | redShadow | anyways, thanks for help; I'm going to try living with the huge cursors until I find a fix.. |
| 14:55.53 | SynrG | np |
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| 14:57.01 | kerneloopz | question: I see Debian 7.7 is out, but I have a 7.6 image. If I install it, will I upgrade automatically to 7.7? |
| 14:57.13 | redShadow | yeah, I know about nouveau.. tried it and seemed quite hopeless.. problem is, afaik there is no alternative to nvidia on hi-end laptops, which is annoying and prevent linxu users from "boycptting" nvidia for not releasing specs.. :( |
| 14:57.14 | kerneloopz | particularly with netinstall |
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| 14:58.52 | ChrisH | kerneloopz: yes. thats expected |
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| 15:06.20 | petn-randall | kerneloopz: Yes. An up-to-date 7.0 installation is indistinguishable from an up-to-date 7.7 installation. |
| 15:06.42 | kerneloopz | thought so, just making sure |
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