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| 01:04.49 | heurist | !ask |
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| 01:07.42 | PleaseHelp | I was hoping someone could help me, I'm trying to configure my network in a way that all traffic that uses 192.168.1.15 (a raspberry Pi) as a gateway will get redirected though an openVPN proxy, however no traffic from other computers goes through after I start OpenVPN. Any advice? |
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| 01:09.09 | Goethz | install openvpn on the rasperry pi? |
| 01:09.22 | Goethz | (i'm a n00b, but just an idea ) |
| 01:09.39 | PleaseHelp | thats done as is the config files |
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| 01:11.49 | PleaseHelp | the problem is all connects from other computer don't make it past the Raspberry Pi. |
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| 01:25.47 | malinux | how do I get atocomplete to work for all packages? |
| 01:26.07 | malinux | when I do apt-get install <package> it autocomplete for some packages and others not |
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| 01:27.44 | RoyK | malinux: which particular package were you trying look for? |
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| 01:28.29 | malinux | I tried to install the package named tree when I noticed this |
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| 01:37.45 | iobz | how can i find out if my debian machine has been compromised? |
| 01:37.47 | jason1 | EntropyArchive: What is going on? |
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| 01:39.16 | draconis-chomp | iobz: Can you be more specific? |
| 01:43.45 | dltl | iobz: you gotta tell your computer to quit posting nudie selfies on printeresting |
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| 02:32.18 | rryoumaa | i keep trying to do a smart long test on a wd external hard drive, and it keeps giving me "# 1 Extended offline Interrupted (host reset) 90% 35 -". |
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| 02:32.34 | rryoumaa | is this fixable? |
| 02:33.32 | dkog | In my rc.local, I create a .profile for a user with a command in it. If my /etc/inittab had a login directive on one of the tty's, will this have already triggered and thus my .profile won't be seen? |
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| 02:35.48 | dltl | dkog: why not use the users own *_profile |
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| 02:36.04 | dkog | dltl: that's what I am talking about |
| 02:36.06 | dltl | .bash_profile for example |
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| 02:36.15 | dkog | dltl: but it has to be dynamicly set on boot |
| 02:36.25 | dltl | no you said .profile and rc.local and /etc/inittab |
| 02:37.10 | dkog | Right, the boot script rc.local wants to set something so that a user will auto-run it. Currently I have in rc.local: su -l myuser -c 'cmd-to-run' |
| 02:37.18 | dkog | but I'd like to make it cleaner |
| 02:37.47 | dkog | so I'm wondering if I put inittab to login -f instead of a getty, will it be too late for rc.local to write a *profile |
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| 02:38.00 | NyanCat | Hi there, I'm trying to install python on debian from repos |
| 02:38.01 | dkog | I think it would be, but not sure |
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| 02:38.14 | abrotman | NyanCat: it's already installed most likely |
| 02:38.14 | NyanCat | But it keeps failing with this error: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:38.14 | NyanCat | " |
| 02:38.26 | brentaarnold | How does one change the default DE chosen at login? |
| 02:38.31 | dltl | rc.local is done before user logs in |
| 02:38.35 | brentaarnold | Debian 7.7 |
| 02:38.44 | NyanCat | abrotman, it's not |
| 02:38.53 | NyanCat | abrotman, it's not |
| 02:38.54 | NyanCat | er |
| 02:38.58 | NyanCat | it's a very minimal system |
| 02:39.13 | dkog | dltl: so the inittab line that does a login on the tty wouldn't execute until after rc.local? |
| 02:40.01 | dltl | test it is best way to learn |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | NyanCat: use a pastebin |
| 02:40.10 | dkog | in other words, the system parses inittab first, but doesn't execute the tty commands until after everything is set up including rc.local... |
| 02:40.27 | dkog | I don't trust "it seems to work" with things that are happening behind the scenes possibly concurrently |
| 02:40.35 | NyanCat | abrotman, yeah sure, hang on |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | NyanCat: not the best thing to msg me |
| 02:41.43 | NyanCat | to be fair, you did unban me :) |
| 02:42.00 | dvs | curses eir |
| 02:42.10 | NyanCat | i suffer from memory loss so hence my surprise |
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| 02:42.40 | NyanCat | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/rq7qW96M |
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| 02:44.05 | abrotman | NyanCat: df -h, is your HDD full? |
| 02:44.33 | NyanCat | Nope |
| 02:44.48 | NyanCat | Only using 763MB inface |
| 02:44.50 | NyanCat | *infact |
| 02:44.58 | abrotman | NyanCat: pastebin 'df -h' |
| 02:45.48 | NyanCat | http://pastebin.com/L2nAZg9u |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | only other thing I can think of is package or disk corruption |
| 02:46.39 | NyanCat | i thought of that |
| 02:46.41 | NyanCat | but the thing is |
| 02:46.45 | NyanCat | it's a kvm server |
| 02:46.49 | NyanCat | i just installed it |
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| 02:47.08 | NyanCat | unless i screwed up somehow |
| 02:47.13 | NyanCat | actually sorry, it's a xen server |
| 02:47.20 | dkog | NyanCat: you are using sudo? |
| 02:47.30 | NyanCat | dkog: i'm logged in as root |
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| 02:47.37 | dkog | just checking :) |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | it wouldn't matter |
| 02:47.54 | NyanCat | apt won't work without root privs |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:48.07 | dkog | it gives weird errors sometimes |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | NyanCat: can you 'touch /usr/lib/python2.7/sched.py.dpkg-new' ? |
| 02:49.04 | NyanCat | abrotman, yeah, sure |
| 02:49.05 | NyanCat | done |
| 02:49.28 | brentaarnold | How does one change the default DE at the login screen in Debian 7.7? |
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| 02:50.40 | NyanCat | abrotman, touch worked as expected |
| 02:50.43 | NyanCat | it created that file |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | NyanCat: apt-get clean, try again |
| 02:51.02 | NyanCat | sure thing |
| 02:51.03 | NyanCat | hang on |
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| 02:51.54 | NyanCat | " unable to create `/usr/bin/2to3-2.7.dpkg-new' (while processing `./usr/bin/2to3-2.7'): Input/output error |
| 02:51.54 | NyanCat | " |
| 02:51.58 | NyanCat | That's the only error now |
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| 02:52.28 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:53.18 | NyanCat | something about python? |
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| 02:54.12 | jason1 | Where can I download a full set of debian 4 with source? |
| 02:54.27 | NyanCat | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/7XdVpH5J |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | jason1: I already told you |
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| 02:57.15 | jason1 | abrotman: I didn't see it then. |
| 02:57.15 | jason1 | I recall being told I can do the net install. |
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| 03:06.30 | xor-freenet | the ZNC folks are complaining in their wiki that debian stable ships a very old version of ZNC which might contain security issues... debian testing seems to contain a much newer version... can you put that version into stable? see: http://wiki.znc.in/Installation#Debian |
| 03:06.52 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: no, but it can be backported |
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| 03:07.37 | dvs | can it...? |
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| 03:07.48 | xor-freenet | dondelelcaro: well if there are security issues, which they say, shouldn't that cause immediate action? :| |
| 03:07.51 | dvs | judd: check-backport znc |
| 03:07.53 | judd | Backporting package znc in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 03:08.23 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: if there are security issues, they should file bugs |
| 03:08.28 | dondelelcaro | or someone should file bugs |
| 03:09.06 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: but in general, if there are security issues which cannot be fixed, we don't do new upstream versions; znc would probably just be removed from stable |
| 03:09.08 | xor-freenet | dondelelcaro: can you now file a bug citing the wiki i linked? i don't think i have a debian bugtracker account yet? if you can't do it now, i will create an account |
| 03:09.19 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: you don't need a bug tracker account. |
| 03:09.43 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: and just citing the wiki isn't enough; there should be real bugs |
| 03:09.55 | dondelelcaro | xor-freenet: ideally with CVE numbers |
| 03:10.45 | xor-freenet | dondelelcaro: ok so i basically need to make the #znc people decide whether there really are security issues? |
| 03:10.49 | rryoumaa | how do i find out what is writing a lot to disk? i just got a new external hd. i created a luks partition and an ext4 partition. now something writes 2.1 mb/s to it every time it is mounted. |
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| 03:26.46 | Bakey | I don't even know what to begin to google to try and troubleshoot that |
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| 04:10.11 | jason1 | Show me a link to debian 4? |
| 04:10.44 | jason1 | link to debian 4 |
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| 04:11.40 | AbadBoy | 64/32? |
| 04:12.15 | jason1 | 32 |
| 04:12.22 | AbadBoy | release 0? 1...9? |
| 04:12.51 | jason1 | the least buggy is 9 isn't it? |
| 04:12.59 | AbadBoy | I guess so |
| 04:13.05 | AbadBoy | I don't use linux on my pc |
| 04:13.08 | AbadBoy | I run Windows 7 |
| 04:13.15 | jason1 | Why not? |
| 04:13.17 | jason1 | 9 then |
| 04:13.19 | Disconsented | eww 7 |
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| 04:13.30 | AbadBoy | because I'm not familiar with unix |
| 04:13.40 | AbadBoy | and I run a lot of apps on MS OS 7 |
| 04:14.17 | AbadBoy | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:15.11 | jason1 | apps are for android |
| 04:15.20 | AbadBoy | lol |
| 04:15.29 | AbadBoy | I reffer to PROGRAMS when I say apps |
| 04:15.33 | AbadBoy | from Applications |
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| 04:15.58 | jason1 | I have that net installer.. |
| 04:16.20 | jason1 | I am looking for the whole cd with sourcecode cd. |
| 04:16.23 | AbadBoy | runing some compiled C++ data under a visual GUI that do some requests from user it's still an application |
| 04:16.47 | AbadBoy | jason1, choose what you wish |
| 04:16.48 | AbadBoy | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
| 04:17.01 | AbadBoy | I belive everything you need is there |
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| 04:18.45 | komakene | hi having an issue with Wheezy, my mounts (noth nfs and cifs) are giving time outs during boot and the boot is stuck there. I disable them in fstab then reboot fine, once up I uncomment the offending mounts and then I can manually recall the mount them, does not make sense. why would the be not mounting in the first place? |
| 04:19.12 | jason1 | Is it possible there was no iso release for 4.0r9 |
| 04:19.25 | jason1 | Aside from the net installer that is. |
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| 04:20.21 | jason1 | No, it is all listed in the md5sums. |
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| 04:20.30 | jason1 | Where did it go then? |
| 04:20.38 | jason1 | padawans |
| 04:20.49 | jason1 | Why is debian hiding old versions? |
| 04:21.41 | ariscop | jigdo sources are still there |
| 04:21.58 | ariscop | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/jigdo-cd/ should be able to build one from that |
| 04:22.19 | jason1 | Anyone able to rebuild an iso using the md5 and sha? |
| 04:22.19 | jason1 | lawnmower man? |
| 04:22.43 | AbadBoy | this helps? |
| 04:22.44 | AbadBoy | https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 04:23.28 | jason1 | shadows |
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| 04:24.35 | jason1 | What is jigdo? |
| 04:24.52 | AbadBoy | idk |
| 04:25.02 | AbadBoy | found what you need |
| 04:25.03 | AbadBoy | http://ftp.riken.go.jp/Linux/debian/debian-cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:25.12 | ariscop | a way to build cd images, why do you need debian etch? |
| 04:25.16 | komakene | Could there be a reason why network mounts (nfs and samba) refuses to mount with timeouts while they mount fine once the system is up fully? |
| 04:25.45 | ariscop | komakene, have you checked that the network is configured correctly in your initramfs? |
| 04:25.55 | jason1 | I didn't mean building the image. |
| 04:25.55 | jason1 | I meant recreating an iso that is deleted. |
| 04:26.00 | jason1 | By using the mathematical shadows. |
| 04:26.13 | ariscop | uh |
| 04:26.35 | ariscop | i think jigdo is deterministic, so it should create an exact duplicate of the missing file |
| 04:26.45 | komakene | ariscop: I have not, my network is fine once the system is up, never checked that let me see if I can find some info online |
| 04:26.58 | AbadBoy | ariscop, how is debian doing on ssh 22 bruteforcing? |
| 04:27.00 | jason1 | So long aas there wasn't an aeon flux the shadow shows the shape of the iso. |
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| 04:27.09 | AbadBoy | I tested a vmware release and made my internet disconnect & reconnect |
| 04:27.20 | AbadBoy | and don't worry, it's for some testing purpose |
| 04:27.34 | ariscop | AbadBoy, o_O |
| 04:27.41 | jason1 | As calculated by whatever hashed it. |
| 04:27.50 | jason1 | My songs know what you did in the dark. |
| 04:28.03 | jason1 | sons |
| 04:28.19 | komakene | ariscop: what am I supposed to search for if I need to make sure my initramfs networks is fine? |
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| 04:28.47 | ariscop | komakene, don't know, never used an nfs root |
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| 04:29.16 | komakene | ariscop: same with cifs , on 2 different pcs |
| 04:29.28 | jgeek | hi, I hope to reinstall debian, my /home is in another partition, how can I use previous /home in the new system ? |
| 04:29.39 | ariscop | are you using an nfs root or are these just normal /etc/fstab entries? |
| 04:30.22 | komakene | fstab |
| 04:30.32 | jgeek | fstab |
| 04:30.41 | ariscop | they're being mounted before the network is online |
| 04:30.51 | ariscop | jgeek, add your old /home to fstab |
| 04:30.54 | komakene | trying to mount 2 cifs and 2 nfs from 2 different pcs. Again these work fine once they system up then i can just mount -a. |
| 04:31.04 | ariscop | should just work, though you'll need to make sure uid/gid numbers line up |
| 04:31.13 | komakene | I am using static ip in network/interfaces |
| 04:31.45 | jgeek | ariscop, when I install the system, where should I create new home ? |
| 04:32.16 | ariscop | from the installer you can chose to mount the existing partition on /home |
| 04:32.34 | ariscop | make sure you set it to use the existing filesystem though |
| 04:32.41 | ariscop | otherwise it'll wipe it |
| 04:32.42 | komakene | ariscop: uids etc are all fine because I can just mount -a and they beautifully show up and work well. my issue is that these mounts time out during initial boot |
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| 04:33.30 | komakene | and the worst thing is that debian gets stuck, does not move forward at the time outs, cifs keeps spitting time outs |
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| 04:33.55 | ariscop | komakene, was talking to jgeek, it sounds like it's trying to mount before the interfaces are up, i'm not sure how you fix that under sysv, nor how you'd check for it |
| 04:34.33 | komakene | hmm that could be it, because i k now it is neither a networking nor user issue |
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| 04:35.03 | ariscop | i'd run tcpdump or similar on the server to see if it's seeing any trafic from the other machines |
| 04:35.13 | komakene | i am using 3.14 kernel on wheezy would not affect though right ? |
| 04:35.21 | ariscop | shouldn't |
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| 04:36.25 | komakene | i am not sure about what to do, i have couplem other debians (jessie) they do not suffer from the same illness |
| 04:36.38 | jason1 | Is the sourcecode included on the dvd's there AbadBoy ? |
| 04:36.54 | AbadBoy | idk, just know it's the fulldvd |
| 04:37.01 | jason1 | 3 dvd's |
| 04:37.20 | jason1 | but it doesn't say source. |
| 04:37.36 | jason1 | I want the source code for programming. |
| 04:38.22 | jason1 | Thi is also why I do not want the latest releases it is harder to code something that is changing all of the time. |
| 04:38.45 | jason1 | Somebody brute forcing an ssh server? |
| 04:39.09 | AbadBoy | why? |
| 04:39.20 | jason1 | What if the ssh server was your mom? |
| 04:39.26 | ariscop | jason1, a particular release of debian is generally abi stable, and if you want an older release why not squeeze? it's still in the main repos so you can run apt-get source for any package |
| 04:39.39 | jason1 | Theres a song about that scenario. |
| 04:39.52 | jason1 | Don't dance with the devil boy. |
| 04:40.06 | AbadBoy | what about testing purpose? |
| 04:40.13 | AbadBoy | to be able to stop the bruteforce attacks? |
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| 04:40.58 | jason1 | If you know what you are doing fine. |
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| 04:41.27 | jason1 | But they put up codes to crack and they could be cracking thier own defense codes. |
| 04:41.28 | AbadBoy | problem is, I can't test that |
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| 04:41.58 | jason1 | I am about to brute force my own ssh server. |
| 04:42.17 | AbadBoy | I tried that in a virtual machine |
| 04:42.26 | jason1 | I use short memorable passwords not designed for long term security. |
| 04:42.28 | AbadBoy | and my internet is going down on all the network |
| 04:42.34 | AbadBoy | might be the router i'm using? |
| 04:42.47 | komakene | ariscop: ok i made the mounts noauto in fstab. now if I want to run a "root running" mount script just before the login where do I put it? |
| 04:42.48 | jason1 | But it is a problem when something unexpected disrupts my rythm. |
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| 04:43.37 | jason1 | If you fight the enemy within. |
| 04:43.45 | AbadBoy | I would also like to run a honeypot |
| 04:43.47 | AbadBoy | to catch hackers |
| 04:43.54 | jason1 | You have to build walls inside memory banks. |
| 04:44.10 | AbadBoy | is it hard to do it? |
| 04:44.14 | jason1 | Clean first the inside of the cup. |
| 04:44.17 | jason1 | bad boy |
| 04:44.18 | AbadBoy | on a non-used laptop with nothing important? |
| 04:45.13 | jason1 | Law of attraction. |
| 04:45.35 | jason1 | Is believing so hard? |
| 04:45.46 | jason1 | bad boy |
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| 04:46.01 | AbadBoy | no |
| 04:46.59 | jason1 | You wan't to catch hackers. |
| 04:47.09 | AbadBoy | yes |
| 04:47.15 | jason1 | I can lead you to major victory. |
| 04:47.50 | jason1 | But only I can have flawless victory. |
| 04:47.51 | ariscop | komakene, needs to be triggered with network connectivity |
| 04:48.01 | komakene | ariscop: hmm ok that is a good idea |
| 04:48.06 | komakene | like if.up? |
| 04:48.13 | ariscop | you'll want it in /etc/network/if-up.d and down.d |
| 04:48.18 | ariscop | yeah |
| 04:48.24 | komakene | ok thanks I will do that, I appreciate |
| 04:48.38 | ariscop | i think, ilttle fragile but without a daemon to manage it, always will be |
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| 04:49.38 | jason1 | Find the debian 4 with sourcecode. |
| 04:49.38 | jason1 | If I rewrite the past. |
| 04:49.38 | jason1 | Shall it affect the now? |
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| 04:50.38 | jason1 | AbadBoy: If you want to do this msg me. |
| 04:53.26 | komakene | ariscop: do you know if the scripts in those folders are executed in alphabetic order? |
| 04:54.08 | ariscop | scripts generally are |
| 04:54.39 | komakene | cool thanks, just want to make sure it runs the last |
| 04:54.42 | ariscop | there's a mountnfs script on my system |
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| 04:55.37 | ariscop | if /etc/if-up.d/nfsmount exists, add _netdev to the fstab options |
| 04:56.09 | ariscop | though it should be detecting that from the filesystem type |
| 04:56.16 | komakene | hmm where do i add the _netdev? |
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| 04:56.31 | ariscop | as a mount option |
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| 04:56.48 | komakene | to nfs mounts? |
| 04:56.48 | ariscop | you'll probably end up with defaults,_netedv |
| 04:56.50 | ariscop | netdev' |
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| 04:57.22 | ariscop | yeah, does the script i mentioned exist? |
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| 04:58.36 | komakene | yeah it does, but have cifs mounts that have the same issue too, i am just going to move all those mount scripts out of networks scirpts temporarily to see what the issue is. Because this stuff was workinf fine for a year or so, some upgrade messed it up |
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| 05:00.22 | komakene | i am using static ip i wonde the script devs maybe did not consider such possibility |
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| 05:02.13 | komakene | mounts not mounting is fine, but the server gets stuck there which is the works part |
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| 05:02.30 | komakene | s/works/worst |
| 05:02.43 | ariscop | server gets what now? |
| 05:03.08 | komakene | server is stuck at mount points, if I have the mounts in fstab |
| 05:03.15 | ariscop | ah |
| 05:03.19 | komakene | during the initial boot |
| 05:03.42 | komakene | i comment fstab then starts out fine. however it does not matter if it is cifs or nfs |
| 05:04.02 | komakene | it must be that it is trying to apply dhcp and getting it |
| 05:04.13 | komakene | not getting it |
| 05:04.19 | Guest66099 | Any use kde and vim? I don't have an Accessories submenu in kde. And I can't vim anywhere. So I can only run vim in the console. |
| 05:04.49 | komakene | Guest66099: use emacs |
| 05:05.29 | Guest66099 | komakene, you use emacs? I choose emacs first, but I didn't gain as much quickly as I did with vim. |
| 05:05.54 | komakene | Guest66099: I was kidding |
| 05:06.03 | qjqqyy | yes vim is easymode |
| 05:06.03 | komakene | you might need to install some gtk stuff? |
| 05:06.16 | Guest66099 | komakene, but ctrl-x-s is better than esc :w enter |
| 05:06.32 | komakene | Guest66099: that is for sure |
| 05:06.47 | qjqqyy | alt-:w enter? |
| 05:06.56 | qjqqyy | much better |
| 05:07.05 | Guest66099 | qjqqyy, what is that? |
| 05:07.13 | qjqqyy | alt is escape |
| 05:07.35 | qjqqyy | mostly, and only in console |
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| 05:08.22 | qjqqyy | because unix is terrible and its to stay compatible with ancient 70s charsets |
| 05:08.44 | komakene | qjqqyy: did alt stuf changed in Debian recently? Now all my alts are gone I have to reach out Esc to be pretend to be alt |
| 05:08.56 | Guest66099 | komakene, I had a long list and I wanted to mark them as <li> elements -html, so in vi it was so easy, I did :%s/^/<li>/g, and :%s/$/<\/li>/g |
| 05:09.27 | komakene | Guest66099: vimmer here, occasional emacs for gpg and org mode |
| 05:09.39 | qjqqyy | komakene: stop using appel keyboard?? |
| 05:10.00 | komakene | qjqqyy: i am not shushu, i use real stuff |
| 05:10.25 | komakene | not sure I think that terminal stuff has changed in Debian recently |
| 05:10.36 | Guest66099 | qjqqyy, oh yeah, alt- is same is esc. but you know, esc off the top left seems ackward at first, but you get used to it pretty quickly, at first I thought it was inconvenient, but not so much anymore, but I might try the alt- thingy in the future |
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| 05:10.48 | komakene | I cant alt-arrow in irssi anymore for example |
| 05:11.05 | komakene | it is esc-arrow now |
| 05:11.16 | komakene | which seemed to happen in last 3 weeks, cant pinpoint |
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| 05:11.42 | qjqqyy | u srs |
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| 05:12.36 | qjqqyy | i think u should open up the keyboard and rewire alt to escape to escape ffom this problem |
| 05:12.47 | komakene | qjqqyy: i am just saying that the terminal behavior seemed to get a change recently, i might be wrong but that is what is happening in my terminals |
| 05:13.02 | Guest66099 | qjqqyy, you can use ctrl+c too |
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| 05:13.39 | qjqqyy | komakene: on sid here and still ok |
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| 05:13.48 | qjqqyy | im probably updated |
| 05:14.09 | komakene | hmmm, interesting, i wonder why i have it that way, it is that way on all 3 pcs which are jessie |
| 05:14.22 | qjqqyy | what term |
| 05:15.12 | komakene | terminator, gnome-terminal, roxterm |
| 05:15.51 | qjqqyy | try with xterm and urxvt? iirc all those are vte based |
| 05:15.56 | jason1 | !seen abadboy |
| 05:15.56 | dpkg | abadboy <~AbadBoy@79.113.101.135> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28m 47s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
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| 05:16.11 | komakene | qjqqyy: i will thanks |
| 05:16.22 | qjqqyy | so if libvte chokes all are rekt |
| 05:16.43 | bsellers243 | finally got my menu board working properly on my raspberry pi. such an elegant solution |
| 05:17.28 | jason1 | Why is the source cd not on the mirrors? |
| 05:17.48 | qjqqyy | another one ripped off by broadcom |
| 05:17.49 | dondelelcaro | jason1: because it's generally not very useful |
| 05:18.11 | dondelelcaro | jason1: the jigdo files are there, though, and you can easily make them |
| 05:18.20 | jason1 | To a programmer it is. |
| 05:18.39 | wols_ | even a programmer doesn't want the sources for _all_ packages. |
| 05:18.49 | komakene | ariscop: interesting, the script does not run during if.up (it has a+x and #!/bin/bash), however I can run it just alright when the system up and it mounts everything perfect. I wonder if one of the scripts in there is borked |
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| 05:18.57 | dondelelcaro | jason1: the source is completely available for all of the packages; we just don't have pre-made images for it |
| 05:19.03 | ariscop | strange |
| 05:19.11 | komakene | really |
| 05:19.24 | komakene | i named it as z_mount.sh |
| 05:19.39 | komakene | I bet it never gets there which might explain why the mounts are failing ;( |
| 05:19.47 | qjqqyy | wait isnt there a post up |
| 05:20.00 | ariscop | maybe there's some other setting needed for that script? |
| 05:20.05 | komakene | qjqqyy: me? |
| 05:20.19 | qjqqyy | yes am on a phone though lazy to type stuffs |
| 05:20.34 | komakene | sure, yeah I see the list,nothing interesting that I saw |
| 05:21.31 | jason1 | What is jigdo? |
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| 05:22.20 | jason1 | Link to the debian 4 cd + source. |
| 05:22.56 | qjqqyy | actually komakene if you are on jessie why not just use a systemd automount |
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| 05:24.49 | komakene | qjqqyy: this is a wheezy one |
| 05:24.51 | komakene | old school |
| 05:26.17 | komakene | i have to learn all this systemd stuff now ;( |
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| 05:28.15 | jason1 | Link to the debian 4 cd + source. |
| 05:29.51 | wols_ | !jigdo |
| 05:29.51 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
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| 05:33.29 | jason1 | dondelelcaro: I have heard that before. |
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| 05:34.25 | jason1 | I don't see a source cd on the jigdo list either. |
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| 05:35.27 | ariscop | jason1, you use the jigdo files to create a cd |
| 05:35.58 | komakene | does anyone know how to disable all these gnome online accoutns etc. I do not use gnome per se I am on fluxcbox but this stuff still starts on Jessie |
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| 05:38.32 | dondelelcaro | jason1: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/source/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 05:39.29 | qjqqyy | komakene: i just removed it cuz shutdown races but before I did it automount was useful |
| 05:39.50 | qjqqyy | maybe use autofs to only mount stuff when u have net access |
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| 05:40.35 | komakene | so autofs is net aware? |
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| 05:44.25 | komakene | btw do you mind if I recommend a kick ass music player that uses very minimal cpu (better than others I tested). Cmus |
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| 05:46.22 | gonyere | so, i'm trying to upgrade to unstable, but i keep getting errors about my sources.list.... does anyone have a basic example of what an unstable sources.list file should look like? |
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| 05:48.42 | qjqqyy | komakene: it's some sophisticated automounter so I guess |
| 05:50.39 | komakene | ok thanks i will look into it |
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| 05:57.27 | rww | openssh |
| 05:57.32 | Disconsented | cheers |
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| 06:53.57 | jason1 | Find the debian 4 source cd yet? |
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| 07:00.26 | ariscop | jason1, you've already been given several answers. there is no iso download the source code, you have to generate your own |
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| 07:00.53 | ariscop | better yet, just install debian and use apt-get source [package] and it'll download the source code for that package |
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| 07:03.26 | jason1 | If I could generate iso's with thought why would I need to run debian? |
| 07:03.26 | jason1 | Do I need to run debian? |
| 07:03.43 | Disconsented | Why debian 4? |
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| 07:04.02 | jason1 | Because I said so. |
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| 07:04.41 | Disconsented | By that reasoning: Use a modern version "because I said so" |
| 07:04.54 | Simotek-Work- | Well generally if you try to install something that is no longer maintained you need to do it all on your own |
| 07:05.07 | jason1 | No |
| 07:05.23 | jason1 | The hardware kernel was made for debian 4. |
| 07:05.38 | Simotek-Work- | Microsoft won't sell you a Windows 2000 cd for example |
| 07:05.46 | Simotek-Work- | well that is a slightly better reason |
| 07:06.07 | jason1 | I have the sourcecodes. |
| 07:06.19 | Simotek-Work- | what sort of hardware? |
| 07:06.45 | jason1 | But it needs to be compiled on debian 4 |
| 07:06.45 | jason1 | Hi tech stuff |
| 07:07.16 | jason1 | etch |
| 07:07.25 | jason1 | cf Joshua |
| 07:07.39 | ariscop | jason1, you can accept the answers you've been given or not, but you won't get any more answers by asking the same thing again and again |
| 07:07.43 | jason1 | these etchings on the chip |
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| 07:08.32 | ariscop | if you want an iso of debian etch you have to generate it, the easiest way to get source is via apt-get source or you can pull it by hand from http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 07:09.05 | jason1 | The compilers are subverted. |
| 07:09.13 | jason1 | I need an old compiler. |
| 07:09.34 | jason1 | Compiling the source on debian 7 isnt going to produce the same result. |
| 07:09.40 | jason1 | aeon flux |
| 07:09.51 | ariscop | then install etch and use that, you've got an installer |
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| 07:11.26 | Disconsented | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1482005&p=9696658#post9696658 I am having the issue detailed here however I am unable to do that because that chain of folders must be owned by another user. Ideas? |
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| 07:11.50 | jason1 | sleeper cells |
| 07:11.51 | jason1 | I can wake them up. |
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| 07:13.17 | jason1 | when software meets hardware there is a lot of fractal details |
| 07:13.17 | jason1 | aeon flux happens |
| 07:13.17 | jason1 | debian 4+ source |
| 07:13.17 | jason1 | find it |
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| 07:13.30 | rww | !based on debian |
| 07:13.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 07:15.11 | Disconsented | I am using Debian 7 >_> |
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| 07:15.47 | Anastasia- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:15.56 | ariscop | it looks intentional, you could maybe trick it with acl's but outside of that |
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| 07:16.05 | Disconsented | Whats the channel for network staff? |
| 07:16.46 | ariscop | most likely #help , but they're probably already aware of that guy |
| 07:16.57 | Disconsented | Alright |
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| 07:18.16 | rww | Disconsented: You're on Debian 7 and posting on ubuntuforums.org and have logfiles with Ubuntu package versions in them? |
| 07:18.24 | Disconsented | uh |
| 07:18.25 | Disconsented | what |
| 07:18.27 | rww | This is interesting. |
| 07:18.34 | Disconsented | I got that from google |
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| 07:18.43 | rww | Ah. |
| 07:18.49 | rww | My apologies for misreading, then. |
| 07:18.50 | Disconsented | It just outlies the issue I am having |
| 07:18.52 | Disconsented | No worries |
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| 07:45.30 | Disconsented | Any idea about my problem from before? |
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| 08:06.40 | Guest97495 | hi all |
| 08:07.08 | Guest97495 | i had to extract a .deb to fix an issue. how do i 'rebuild' the extracted files back into a .deb? |
| 08:07.20 | Guest97495 | on google everyone seems to only be interested in extracting files |
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| 08:11.50 | Guest97495 | nm found it |
| 08:11.51 | Guest97495 | thx |
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| 08:13.31 | MarvelDigital | ok good job Guest97495 |
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| 08:44.21 | g00se | ~/.bashrc is getting clobbered in Jessie - is that normal?? |
| 08:44.29 | apt | ...but /.bashrc is already something else... |
| 08:44.40 | MarvelDigital | i dont know how to allow local network access to my lamp, how can i do this? |
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| 08:46.22 | g00se | MarvelDigital: make sure the server is not bound to host 'localhost' but to its private lan address |
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| 08:47.36 | MarvelDigital | g00se, do you mean the 127.0.0.1? or do i set my ip (192.168.1.4) to something? i'm such a newb |
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| 08:48.20 | g00se | That would normally be localhost, yes |
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| 08:50.28 | g00se | MarvelDigital: what happens when you try to access the server by its private IP address? |
| 08:51.01 | MarvelDigital | g00se, sorry to be a bother, but i just want to be clear: i edit the /etc/hosts and set 127.0.0.1 to my ip? or do i edit the /etc/hostname? |
| 08:51.13 | MarvelDigital | g00se, it just hangs, waiting for the server to respond. |
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| 08:51.40 | g00se | Neither. You need to check the config of where it's listening |
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| 08:52.51 | MarvelDigital | g00se, yeah i'm stupid...what config file? i have no idea what i'm doing. |
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| 08:57.55 | g00se | How did you install lamp btw? |
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| 08:58.38 | ahop | Hello! |
| 08:59.26 | g00se | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/bind.html |
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| 09:00.13 | ahop | Here is the result of a "df -h" : http://pastebin.com/1KpBNcBL .... The problem is that /var/www seems to be taken on the ... 20G partition.... How to set the /var/www to use the 2TB partition ? |
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| 09:00.45 | ahop | Sorry not 2TB, but 1.8TB (/dev/sda3 1.8T 68M 1.7T 1% /home) |
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| 09:01.12 | g00se | ~/.bashrc is getting clobbered in Jessie - is that normal?? |
| 09:01.13 | apt | ...but /.bashrc is already something else... |
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| 09:02.08 | ahop | Any idea ? |
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| 09:04.56 | MarvelDigital | g00se, via apt, right now it's something to do with the iptables rules; i think i need to add it to allow access |
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| 09:05.36 | g00se | Which package? |
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| 09:06.10 | g00se | (Hint: there's no package called 'lamp') |
| 09:06.23 | g00se | (In stable) |
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| 09:07.43 | ahop | Any idea g00se ? |
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| 09:09.20 | g00se | is /var/www currently empty? |
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| 09:10.16 | ahop | g00se: not empty, but less than 1GB now |
| 09:10.44 | ahop | First thing, can we know why /var/www is taken on the 20GB partition and not the 1.8TB one from http://pastebin.com/1KpBNcBL ? |
| 09:10.47 | DrSkyLizard | How can I install Django.conf in Debian? |
| 09:10.50 | DrSkyLizard | I get this from django.conf import settings ImportError: No module named django.conf |
| 09:11.01 | DrSkyLizard | python-django package doesn't contain that? |
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| 09:11.14 | DrSkyLizard | I can't find a conf package |
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| 09:13.18 | tp43_ | anyone use webcams, xawtv works but doesn't take a proper picture and cheese isn't working at all, isn't detected my webcam it seems, the menu is grayed out and the screen is black |
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| 09:14.13 | g00se | ahop: My instincts are that it's too late, but you could try this (usual disclaimers apply): a. stop anything accessing that directory b. copy content to new partition c. empty old directory d. link to new mount point from old location of /var/www |
| 09:14.58 | tp43_ | oh wait, xawtv take a pic fine, well I think they are better in cheese |
| 09:15.25 | jgeek | I asked the same question ealier, now I have installed a new debian, please guide me to setup my old /home which is in a different partition to current user home |
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| 09:17.36 | ahop | g00se : thanks |
| 09:17.47 | g00se | ~/. b a s h r c is getting clobbered in Jessie - is that normal?? |
| 09:17.48 | apt | okay, g00se |
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| 09:20.49 | Lope | I've noticed permissions aren't enforced on root. Is that a new thing or has it always been like that? is it distro specific? For example echo "test" > foo.txt; chmod 000 foo.txt; echo "test2" >> foo.txt; rm foo.txt; no errors, it just does it. |
| 09:20.53 | jelly-home | apt: forget /. b a s h r c |
| 09:20.53 | apt | jelly-home: i forgot /. b a s h r c |
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| 09:22.00 | g00se | jelly-home: is this some kind of esoteric game? |
| 09:22.02 | Kingsy | can someone tell me where to find and install this .deb --> http://www.dotdeb.org/2014/09/20/php-5-4-33-for-wheezy-and-squeeze/ <-- |
| 09:22.06 | Kingsy | I want to upgrade php |
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| 09:22.15 | jelly-home | g00se: apt really is a bot. |
| 09:22.18 | vedranm | what are aptitude's package states W and T? |
| 09:22.27 | g00se | Yes i figured that now ;) |
| 09:22.38 | vedranm | I have libnvcuvid1 as W and nvidia-alternative as T since last update |
| 09:22.41 | vedranm | not sure why |
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| 09:23.20 | g00se | I probably know that once but have forgotten. So jelly - any ideas about the clobbering? |
| 09:23.30 | Ox17 | hah, type /msg dpkg black metal |
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| 09:27.00 | Ox17 | well programmed bot (: |
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| 09:27.47 | g00se | Well it's certainly confused me about .bashrc 0x17 |
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| 09:28.59 | Ox17 | g00se: i didnt follow your messages, you mean when asking dpkg about .bashrc? |
| 09:29.00 | Rougex200 | hhhh |
| 09:29.06 | g00se | Yes |
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| 09:30.01 | Ox17 | thats strange, thaught he knows everything :D |
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| 09:37.05 | Darkwater | hey, every day or so (I don't really see a pattern in times) one or more fish shell programs spawning and using as much cpu time as they can, does this sound familiar to anyone? |
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| 09:45.30 | Ox17 | i having problems extracting some .rar files, the archive isnt corrupted |
| 09:45.49 | Ox17 | ive already installed unrar , unrar-free |
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| 09:47.03 | SPF | does Debian come with ntpd? |
| 09:47.20 | jolt | SPF: its a package to install |
| 09:47.22 | jelly | SPF: if you install package ntp, yes |
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| 09:47.37 | SPF | this one? |
| 09:47.37 | SPF | ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 client for setting system time from NTP servers |
| 09:47.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning great guys ! |
| 09:47.59 | Ox17 | good morning SOUL_OF_R00T :) |
| 09:48.08 | mquin | SPF: just ntp |
| 09:48.30 | mquin | ntpdate is worth having as well, though |
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| 09:49.04 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i have a good experience with ntp i sync the gateway by 0.pool.ntp.org and inside network boxes i user local ntp off gateway machine |
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| 09:49.15 | jelly | mquin: ntpdate was deprecated by upstream, and -g option to ntpd is to be used instead |
| 09:49.20 | mquin | ntpd runs constantly and makes small adjustements to keep the clock in sync. ntpdate is used when you want to immediately jump the system clock to the correct time, typically when you're booting the machine |
| 09:49.35 | SOUL_OF_R00T | this improves network functionality |
| 09:49.36 | mquin | jelly: oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that |
| 09:49.42 | SPF | I heard ntpdate might cause some disturbance in processes |
| 09:49.49 | mquin | (so ignore the second part of that statement) |
| 09:49.49 | SPF | that's why I want to run ntpd |
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| 09:50.39 | g00se | iirc i use /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian |
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| 09:51.31 | SPF | mquin: thanks, it works |
| 09:51.33 | Iridos | g00se, I think we just established that ntpdate is deprecated and needn't/shouldn't be used any more :) |
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| 09:52.35 | jelly | g00se: no idea about any clobbering |
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| 09:54.22 | fatalerrors-vauq | hi there |
| 09:54.30 | fatalerrors-vauq | any raid pro here ? |
| 09:54.38 | g00se | Does ntpdate == debian-ntpdate? |
| 09:54.59 | fatalerrors-vauq | i've got a strange behaviour of my software raid 6 array |
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| 09:55.35 | g00se | thank jelly and suspects something weird going on with filesystem |
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| 09:58.41 | Ox17 | ok unrar works now, needed to get the non-free package |
| 09:58.57 | Ox17 | heard the older versions have problems extracting the new rar archives |
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| 09:59.35 | mquin | g00se: ntpdate-debian is a shell wrapper around ntpdate that pulls settings from /etc/default and ntp.conf or dhcp options |
| 10:00.33 | g00se | mquin: Yeah, i just read it. So we're saying that the approved way is simply to run ntpd -g to pull the clock back into line? |
| 10:01.14 | maloik | Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but are there any Ruby developers here that use Debian that I could bounce some ideas off of, or even have check a lib I'm working on? It'll serve as a debsecan clone, but it should be pretty programmable and thus work nicely alongside Chef for instance |
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| 10:01.37 | maloik | Would love a pm if that sounds like you! |
| 10:02.32 | mquin | either will work, ntpdate still ships with all releases of debian (including unstable) so it's quite far from being pulled at this point |
| 10:03.37 | mquin | from a glance, it doesn't look like the init scripts for ntpd do a 'ntp -g' to jump the clock at boot time, so unless you want to add that yourself I'd suspect the more supported path would be to use ntpdate until something changes |
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| 10:03.57 | g00se | ntpd -g looks like it would give little or no feedback |
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| 10:06.37 | jelly | mquin, it can be added to /etc/default/ntp |
| 10:06.57 | mquin | g00se: "ntpd -qg" seems to be the ntpdate-like incantation |
| 10:07.24 | mquin | jelly: aha, neat |
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| 10:07.47 | jelly | !ntpdate |
| 10:07.48 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 10:08.27 | mquin | wonder why the package hasn't been pulled |
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| 10:09.11 | deepblue | in the chromium downloads page every time i press 'show in folder' link,transmission window opens instead.how to fix this? |
| 10:10.50 | venkat_330 | I am little confused with fdisk output: http://pastebin.com/E1nPw30F |
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| 10:13.13 | zuzuzzzip | !why not ntpdate |
| 10:13.13 | dpkg | Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of <ntpdate> to keep your time synchronised. Rationale at http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html . ntpdate is deprecated upstream (Debian bug #514318). |
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| 10:14.23 | zuzuzzzip | TIL :) |
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| 10:20.01 | Hercules | hello |
| 10:20.15 | Hercules | How do I solve this problem ? |
| 10:20.24 | Hercules | Command 'sbnc' is available in '/usr/sbin/sbnc' |
| 10:20.24 | Hercules | The command could not be located because '/usr/sbin' is not included in the PATH environment variable. |
| 10:20.25 | Hercules | This is most likely caused by the lack of administrative privileges associated with your user account. |
| 10:20.25 | Hercules | sbnc: command not found |
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| 10:20.39 | davidebian | Nouveau or nvidia private..??..debian testing... |
| 10:20.54 | babilen | Hercules: Which version of Linus is that? |
| 10:20.58 | babilen | *Linux |
| 10:21.05 | Hercules | babilen: its 14.04 |
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| 10:21.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hercules -about ubuntu |
| 10:21.14 | Hercules | Ubuntu |
| 10:21.33 | babilen | Hercules: Please ask in #ubuntu, this is #debian and we only support Debian in here. |
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| 10:21.42 | Hercules | ok |
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| 10:24.55 | deepblue | in the chromium downloads page every time i press 'show in folder' link,transmission window opens instead.how to fix this? |
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| 11:01.08 | deepblue | in the chromium downloads page every time i press 'show in folder' link,transmission window opens instead.how to fix this? |
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| 11:06.36 | fatalerrors-vauq | hi folks |
| 11:07.55 | fatalerrors-vauq | i've got a raid 6 software array with 6 drives : 4 TB + 3 * 3 TB + 2 * 2 TB = 17 TB |
| 11:08.26 | fatalerrors-vauq | i consider the 2 biggest drives are used for backup |
| 11:08.58 | fatalerrors-vauq | so 17 TB - 4 TB - 3 TB = 10 TB |
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| 11:10.07 | fatalerrors-vauq | but my array is still 8 TB size (no change after replacing two 2 TB drives by 3 TB ones) |
| 11:11.06 | fatalerrors-vauq | mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0 made some changes but no effect when displaying mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
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| 11:11.55 | fatalerrors-vauq | as well resize2fs /dev/md0 made something(very quickly) but i didn't notice a valuable difference |
| 11:12.46 | petn-randall | fatalerrors-vauq: That's not how RAID works. Every device in the array will only be as large as the smallest device. So if you have a 2 TB drive in there and 6 drives in total, you'll have (N-2)*2 TB in space, which is 8 TB. |
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| 11:13.17 | petn-randall | fatalerrors-vauq: Then again, details matter, so can you show us the output of 'fdisk -l' and 'mdadm --detail /dev/md0' on http://paste.debian.net? |
| 11:13.34 | fatalerrors-vauq | ok so it's pure loss |
| 11:13.37 | fatalerrors-vauq | yes |
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| 11:15.36 | epsilon | it's good idea *not* to use disks of different sizes in one array |
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| 11:16.28 | davidebian | Whats the Best option in grub For imac intel? I was reading something.. acpi=off...???? |
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| 11:16.52 | epsilon | so in your case I would do: 4T+3T as backup single disks. 2x3T and 2x2T in RAID 1 of 2 disks each. If you want one big disk, use LVM over them |
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| 11:17.55 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: the idea was to change the drives progressivelly in order to layer the expense |
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| 11:19.39 | fatalerrors-vauq | petn-randall, epsilon : http://paste.debian.net/130213/ |
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| 11:20.23 | fatalerrors-vauq | sdg and sde are an old mistake with no impact, wich is solved as i change the drives |
| 11:20.26 | epsilon | extending/expanding running array incl FS is always a risk & impact in performance during the rebuild/recheck, I usualy recommend to avoid such situation... |
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| 11:21.42 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: i don't have the money to create a new array if i want to change |
| 11:22.04 | epsilon | looks chotic... what does cat /proc/mdstat say? |
| 11:22.24 | epsilon | *chaotic |
| 11:22.39 | fatalerrors-vauq | i project to buy the last new disks (to replace 2 TB drives) in january |
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| 11:23.06 | fatalerrors-vauq | Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] |
| 11:23.06 | fatalerrors-vauq | md0 : active raid6 sdf1[5] sda1[8] sdd1[6] sdh1[7] sdg[2] sde[1] |
| 11:23.06 | fatalerrors-vauq | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.49 | fatalerrors-vauq | sdg and sde will be replaced in january by 3 TB drives |
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| 11:24.07 | fatalerrors-vauq | at the same time i'll fix the associated bug |
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| 11:25.02 | epsilon | jeez... that's chaotic, I even don't understand the redundancy |
| 11:25.11 | LIERO | any idea why apt-get will not find a package? |
| 11:25.18 | LIERO | i did apt-get update |
| 11:25.34 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: what redundancy ? |
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| 11:26.11 | fatalerrors-vauq | how to understand this : |
| 11:26.16 | fatalerrors-vauq | Avail Dev Size : 4294703103 (2047.87 GiB 2198.89 GB) |
| 11:26.16 | fatalerrors-vauq | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.16 | fatalerrors-vauq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:26.45 | fatalerrors-vauq | that's the result of mdadm -E on any of the drives of the array |
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| 11:27.04 | Zitter | Hi, is it possible to install Compiz on Debian Testing? I cannot find "compiz" pkg! |
| 11:27.04 | epsilon | well you have raid 6, so in theory 2 disks can fail without data loss. But in your case I'm not sure |
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| 11:27.23 | fraff | LIERO: which one ? |
| 11:27.30 | LIERO | gqrx-sdr |
| 11:27.42 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: why that doubt ? |
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| 11:28.15 | LIERO | it actually found it once, after I ran apt-get update, but failed to install because of some dependancies |
| 11:28.16 | fraff | LIERO: I can't find it, neither in wheezy, nor in squeeze |
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| 11:28.27 | LIERO | huh |
| 11:29.04 | fraff | LIERO: it seems to be present in sid only |
| 11:29.13 | epsilon | fatalerrors-vauq: are you familier with basic logic of RAID 0-6? |
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| 11:29.30 | fraff | LIERO: or in backports |
| 11:29.35 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: basic yes but no deep knowledge |
| 11:30.08 | fatalerrors-vauq | Used Dev Size : 3906766848 (1862.89 GiB 2000.26 GB) <- should be arround 4 TB, is that your fear ? |
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| 11:35.09 | fatalerrors-vauq | something is strange after examination : |
| 11:35.44 | fatalerrors-vauq | Disk /dev/sdd: 4000.8 GB -> end = 4294967294 |
| 11:36.24 | fatalerrors-vauq | Disk /dev/sde: 2000.4 GB -> end = 3907029167 |
| 11:37.11 | fatalerrors-vauq | i shouldn't have twice i have with the end of sde for the sdd drive ? |
| 11:37.21 | fatalerrors-vauq | any 32 bits limitation ? |
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| 11:43.45 | Vertigo__ | hi |
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| 11:48.43 | fatalerrors-vauq | epsilon: i've got the answer : that's mbr limit |
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| 11:49.18 | fatalerrors-vauq | all my 3 and 4 TB drives are limited to 2 TB because of MBR limits |
| 11:49.28 | jelly | fatalerrors-vauq: either avoid partitioning completely, or use GPT |
| 11:49.43 | fatalerrors-vauq | jelly: i'll use gpt |
| 11:50.10 | jelly | prefers using whole disks |
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| 11:51.12 | fatalerrors-vauq | jelly: do you think ? no partition table ? the linux raid auto fs type is useless ? |
| 11:52.57 | jelly | fatalerrors-vauq: if it's not a boot disk, there's no need for partitions IME |
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| 11:53.28 | fatalerrors-vauq | no it's not a boot disk jelly |
| 11:53.35 | fatalerrors-vauq | and it never will |
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| 11:53.56 | jelly | fatalerrors-vauq: your output shows you're already using whole devices sdg[2] sde[1] |
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| 11:54.11 | fatalerrors-vauq | yes, right |
| 11:54.23 | fatalerrors-vauq | i thougt it was a mystake |
| 11:54.39 | fatalerrors-vauq | only a lot of datas shared between several computers, including home dirs |
| 11:55.04 | fatalerrors-vauq | ok so i'll do this, it's much simpler |
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| 11:55.25 | fatalerrors-vauq | jelly: what command to erase partition table ? |
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| 11:56.07 | jelly | fatalerrors-vauq: I guess you can wipe existing mbr partitions with parted, or fdisk or cfdisk |
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| 11:56.34 | jelly | or even a well-placed dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4096 count=1 |
| 11:56.43 | fatalerrors-vauq | ok thank you jelly |
| 11:57.03 | fatalerrors-vauq | i've thougt about the second ones |
| 11:57.08 | fatalerrors-vauq | one |
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| 11:57.15 | fatalerrors-vauq | ok thank you all |
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| 11:57.28 | fatalerrors-vauq | i've got to leave |
| 11:57.33 | fatalerrors-vauq | bye |
| 11:57.45 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 12:19.17 | anikras | hello, how to modify my aptitude out |
| 12:19.29 | anikras | i am looking this web: http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/es/ch02s05s05.html#idp71859632 |
| 12:20.05 | anikras | but i do not know how to do |
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| 12:28.49 | justanotheruser | Is debian probably the most stable distro? |
| 12:29.36 | g00se | You mean Debian ... 'stable'? |
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| 12:30.22 | inthl | I can not find libt1-dev any more within jessie - is that package replaced by some other? I can't locate it as well |
| 12:30.42 | inthl | same for e.g. libsablot0-dev |
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| 12:33.02 | petn-randall | fatalerrors-vauq: Sorry, something came in between. Could you solve your problem? |
| 12:34.00 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: You'll probably hear a solid 'yes' from the people in the channel. But if you explain your use case, we might be able to tell you if Debian can solve it. |
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| 12:35.32 | impaktor | Has there been any change to flashplayer? After a recent update streaming videos doesn't work. Just a black window. Youtube still works though. |
| 12:35.40 | g00se | _some_ people think it's now 0wned by the NSA ... |
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| 12:35.53 | fraff | justanotheruser: yes |
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| 12:37.57 | petn-randall | impaktor: Which release are you running, and which flash player do you mean? There are several ... |
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| 12:39.26 | impaktor | petn-randall: running stable, and non-free flashplugin |
| 12:39.44 | impaktor | (wheezy) |
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| 12:41.28 | petn-randall | impaktor: Which version of the plugin do you have? You can check with 'dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree'. Also check if iceweasel lists it in Tools â Addons â Plugins. |
| 12:42.04 | justanotheruser | petn-randall: just curiousity. I assume stability is increased by having many users and not updating quickly. |
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| 12:42.40 | impaktor | petn-randall: I'm not at that computer right now, but thanks, I'll check that. By the way, do you have any suspicions as to what the culprit could be? |
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| 12:43.01 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: Yes, after the release, that release will only get security fixes or serious bug fixes. That ensures a quite high level of stability. |
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| 12:43.38 | petn-randall | impaktor: Not without that info. Ok, get back to us when you're back on the computer, we can't really debug it without being on it. :) |
| 12:43.57 | impaktor | thanks |
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| 12:45.24 | Silvia | Hello everybody. |
| 12:45.41 | petn-randall | Hi Silvia. |
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| 12:46.28 | Silvia | Can you help me for problems ? |
| 12:48.02 | BlueEagle | Silvia: Not without knowing what the problems are. |
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| 12:48.19 | Silvia | I have a problem with the montage of external dvdrw |
| 12:48.21 | BlueEagle | Silvia: (read: Ask the next question, the real one, to find out) |
| 12:49.24 | BlueEagle | How are you trying to mount the DVD, and what messages do you receive when you try? |
| 12:50.04 | petn-randall | Silvia: It's custom to just explain your problem in detail and what you want to achieve. |
| 12:50.13 | Silvia | This dvdrw is joined with a cable sata-pata usb on netbook |
| 12:50.19 | petn-randall | Silvia: See also the messages from dpkg: |
| 12:50.29 | petn-randall | !tell Silvia -about ask |
| 12:50.33 | LIERO | wow, um |
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| 12:50.51 | LIERO | I upgraded some packages and now all my fonts are broken? |
| 12:50.54 | g00se | !tell Silvia about ask |
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| 12:51.07 | LIERO | can't navigate except through memory |
| 12:51.11 | petn-randall | !tell Silvia -about smart questions |
| 12:51.23 | petn-randall | LIERO: Which distro and release are you running? |
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| 12:51.39 | LIERO | debian wheezy |
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| 12:52.00 | Silvia | Also i connect on internet with usb-pen.... |
| 12:52.14 | petn-randall | LIERO: Which packages did you update? |
| 12:52.37 | LIERO | well I did apt-get upgrade libusb |
| 12:52.59 | LIERO | but it installed about 300mb of packages |
| 12:53.26 | petn-randall | LIERO: That doesn't sound like stable to me ... |
| 12:53.57 | petn-randall | LIERO: Can you paste the last lines of /var/log/apt/history.log covering the upgrade to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 12:54.56 | Silvia | I cannot mount the dvdrw, this the error message : Questo è il messaggio di errore che ottengo con dmesg | tail : sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through; sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled; sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed; 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through; sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk; isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sdb, iso_blknum=16, block=32; isofs_fill_super: bread |
| 12:54.56 | Silvia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.09 | g00se | Silvia: that's not the dvd drive |
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| 12:56.46 | LIERO | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0f74eaa5/ |
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| 12:57.05 | HebusLeTroll | Hello, can a raid1 array be mounted and used while synchronizing ? |
| 12:57.21 | g00se | Silvia: Actually it could be ;) |
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| 12:57.54 | Silvia | Yes it's a dvd drive for internal desktop |
| 12:57.56 | LIERO | something I should note, in order to install a package an hour ago i added the following line to the /etc/apt/sources.list -> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 12:58.06 | mint | Silvia: isofs_fill_super failing smells like broken filesytem, data corruption, or non-mountable disk (CD audio, etc) |
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| 12:58.46 | g00se | Is it an external drive plugged via usb? |
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| 13:01.20 | Silvia | It's a internal drive for pc-desktop but i used like external drive. |
| 13:02.19 | johnny_|_ | Hi. What must I update to be able to connect to https://www.skype.com (for example). curl -s -v -I -k "https://www.skype.com/" gives: Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.skype.com:443. |
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| 13:04.00 | Silvia | I connected with a cable sata-pata usb and powered with power cable. |
| 13:04.49 | mint | Silvia: the error message means it is not a mountable DVD, regardless of how you connect it |
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| 13:08.04 | Silvia | How can i do ? |
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| 13:08.20 | mint | Silvia: reburn the DVD |
| 13:09.20 | g00se | Might be worth checking dmesg for errors when there's _no_ medium in it |
| 13:09.38 | g00se | (after it's plugged) |
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| 13:10.24 | Silvia | I have debian jessie 3.11-2-686-pae ..... |
| 13:10.43 | mint | hm, maybe I write in german.. |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | Silvia: your kernel is out of date, you should probably start with installing linux-image-686-pae |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | Silvia: and if you have a problem wiht a burned DVD, try burning at a slower speed |
| 13:11.46 | g00se | johnny_|_: Maybe Skype's engaging in POODLE protection? |
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| 13:13.10 | johnny_|_ | g00se: curl -s -v -I -k "https://www.skype.com/" --sslv3 works fine |
| 13:14.02 | g00se | So does that mean .. the opposite? ;) |
| 13:14.07 | Silvia | How ? |
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| 13:15.15 | johnny_|_ | g00se: well mayber, but still. I think the issue is related to openssl, maybe in connection with TLS 1.0 connection using TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA, but i don't know what to do next. |
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| 13:20.58 | inthl | any ideas? |
| 13:21.07 | inthl | > I can not find libt1-dev any more within jessie - is that package replaced by some other? I can't locate it as well same for e.g. libsablot0-dev |
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| 13:23.27 | gong_zilla | Hi guys I'm trying to update from Jessie to Sid so I did this (http://sprunge.us/JccB?%3Cbash%3E) to my sourcelist however I notice when I run an apt-get update I see the following 404 errors (http://sprunge.us/OPAj?%3Cbash%3E) |
| 13:23.46 | gong_zilla | Can I ignore this error? |
| 13:23.46 | abrotman | inthl: it's been removed |
| 13:24.11 | abrotman | inthl: packages.debian.org/libt1-dev |
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| 13:27.10 | shingouz | gong_zilla: remove security, sid-backports and sid-updates and you should be golden. you *should* keep in mind that unstable is exactly what it sounds and when, not if, it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces |
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| 13:27.41 | Hili | Hello, I need some help with my debian 7 server. I did an apt-get upgrade and for some reason that messed up dpkg and every install fails with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". This is the output I get when I try to install anything: https://pastee.org/2me5u . I tried apt-get install -f, apt-get autoremove, (apt-get --print-uris install, downloading first result and |
| 13:27.41 | Hili | then dpkg -i package), but it all fails on the same error. |
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| 13:32.03 | Brigo | Hili, hi, what is the output of 'which insserv' ? |
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| 13:32.19 | abrotman | You tell us? |
| 13:32.38 | illy | Hili dont know what went wrong on ur end, but lastime i did upgrade it was a few hour ago |
| 13:32.43 | Hili | Brigo, no output at all |
| 13:32.46 | illy | and only got wget to upgrade |
| 13:32.46 | illy | :\ |
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| 13:32.52 | abrotman | Brigo: what are you actually asking? |
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| 13:33.06 | Brigo | then you have a important missing in your system |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | Brigo: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 13:33.46 | Brigo | abrotman, no, i am not, i am trying to help hili |
| 13:33.49 | abrotman | Brigo: it's possible it's not in his path |
| 13:33.56 | inthl | abrotman, well but what is the replacement then? |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | inthl: I couldn't answer that |
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| 13:34.25 | abrotman | Brigo: possibly running from sudo? |
| 13:34.25 | inthl | I can not compile php without it, it is required |
| 13:34.28 | shingouz | Hili: i am a bit confused, the paste you showed contains quite a few instances of "ubuntu" in the package names. are you sure that install is a pure debian install? |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | (without the correct path being inherited) |
| 13:34.36 | inthl | any version, even the latest, requires that removed package |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | Brigo: if he's using sudo, you'd have to ask that I suppose ? |
| 13:34.52 | Brigo | Hili, then 'ls /sbin/insserv' |
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| 13:35.22 | Brigo | abrotman, you are right. |
| 13:35.28 | Hili | shingouz: 'cat /etc/issue' : Debian GNU/Linux 7 |
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| 13:36.00 | Hili | Brigo, ls: cannot access /sbin/insserv: No such file or directory |
| 13:37.02 | Brigo | Hili, did you have the 'insserv' package installed? you can check with 'dpkg -l insserv' |
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| 13:37.35 | Hili | Brigo: insserv 1.14.0-5ubuntu2 |
| 13:37.41 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 13:37.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 13:38.03 | Brigo | shingouz, yes, i did not see it ... |
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| 13:38.14 | Gerben_ | Hello. I have a SuperMicro X8SIL-F. The disks are recognized by Ubuntu's netboot, using kernel 3.13, they are not recognized by Debian, kernel 3.2 |
| 13:38.38 | Gerben_ | lsmod show no special modules used by Ubuntu, I'll post them in a few secs.. |
| 13:39.22 | Hili | I did not install Debian on this server myself, it's one I'm renting and Debian was installed by the provider. |
| 13:39.29 | Gerben_ | AHCI driver |
| 13:39.55 | ompaul | Hili: it is ubuntu they installed - you are in the wrong place you need to talk to the provider |
| 13:40.03 | Brigo | Hili, then you have a problem, debian dpkg spects /sbin/insserv and your system does not have it. |
| 13:40.12 | Hili | ompaul: 'cat /etc/issue' : Debian GNU/Linux 7 |
| 13:40.23 | Gerben_ | Hili, lsb_release -a |
| 13:40.24 | ompaul | and why the package name |
| 13:40.41 | ompaul | <Hili> Brigo: insserv 1.14.0-5ubuntu2 |
| 13:40.50 | Brigo | Hili, then you have a mess |
| 13:41.10 | Hili | Gerben: Distributor ID: Debian |
| 13:41.13 | Hili | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) |
| 13:41.13 | Hili | Release: 7.7 |
| 13:41.13 | Hili | Codename: wheezy |
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| 13:41.40 | Gerben_ | my bad ( a bit ), should have hinted not to copy/paste everything.. |
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| 13:43.53 | ompaul | Gerben_: feel free to request all sources.lists and the apt-cache policy on insserv - btw the only complaints I've seen about it in the last couple of days have been ubuntu related |
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| 13:44.47 | Gerben_ | Hili, is this a VPS you are renting or a physical server? |
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| 13:44.57 | shingouz | looks like this http://mirrors.online.net/ could be part of the problem. they seem to have some internal repository and it could be pretty much anything. i think i will go wash my hands |
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| 13:45.07 | Hili | Sorry for the flood, https://pastee.org/hrm68 |
| 13:45.19 | Hili | Gerben_ , it's a dedicated server |
| 13:45.33 | Gerben_ | If it is a VPS, and you have changed something already, you probably messed up, and the quickest way might be to ask your provider to reset the server to defaults |
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| 13:46.00 | Gerben_ | Is this the unchanged config your provider gave you? |
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| 13:46.17 | shingouz | also, to the best of my knowledge, debian should not have packages with ubuntu in their names |
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| 13:47.19 | Hili | Gerben_ ,I didn't alter any configs as far as I know. I do, ofcourse, installed some software, but nothing that should mess with Debian. This started after I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 13:47.47 | mint | Hili: your vesion of insserv is not in debian's repository https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=insserv |
| 13:47.58 | abrotman | Hili: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:48.01 | ompaul | Hili: in http://paste.debian.net please put the following data apt-cache policy the content of apt-cache policy gcc apt-cache policy insserv all in the one paste please with one more thing on the end the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:48.03 | Gerben_ | Did any of this adding of software involve "apt-add repository" or editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:48.07 | mint | Hili: you have an unsupported configuration |
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| 13:48.24 | Iridos | shingouz, it should not... it's a (dramatic pause) frankendebian |
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| 13:48.39 | Gerben_ | @ all - I think it is clear his config is not like it should be, repeating that will not help I think. |
| 13:48.42 | ompaul | Iridos: let us establish the fact, we only have a suspicion |
| 13:48.51 | shingouz | screams and runs off to hide somewhere under a big rock |
| 13:48.54 | Iridos | ompaul, very well |
| 13:48.57 | Gerben_ | lol |
| 13:49.09 | Hili | abrotman https://pastee.org/jtgtz |
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| 13:49.14 | Iridos | Hili, can you please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
| 13:49.16 | ompaul | Hili: ignore me :) |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | wheezy + saucy .. busted beyond repair |
| 13:49.35 | Hili | Gerben_ , no |
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| 13:49.41 | Gerben_ | ok |
| 13:49.43 | Iridos | Hili, nevermind, the sources.list already had it |
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| 13:49.52 | Gerben_ | Than ask your provider to give you a clean debian install |
| 13:49.53 | Iridos | ompaul, satisfied? :P |
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| 13:50.10 | Gerben_ | if they did this, you did not get what you (probably) paid for |
| 13:50.11 | Hili | Gerben_ , is this the only solution? I have quite a lot on this server. |
| 13:50.18 | ompaul | Hili: this does not belong on that machine deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main universe removing it won't help it has killed your box |
| 13:50.35 | Hili | crap |
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| 13:50.51 | Hili | Can I undo that, ompaul? |
| 13:50.56 | ompaul | I call on Iridos to do this !frankendebian |
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| 13:51.09 | abrotman | Hili: no, you cannot |
| 13:51.28 | Hili | so in order to restore dpkg functionality, I have to do a complete reset? |
| 13:51.37 | ompaul | Hili: it has killed - as in deaded it on life support what is breathing is breathing |
| 13:51.44 | Gerben_ | hehe |
| 13:51.48 | ompaul | but soon it will expire in a most horrid way |
| 13:51.51 | takeyourhatoff | hili can you ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:52.00 | takeyourhatoff | see what the modifyication date is |
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| 13:52.25 | Hili | tyho https://pastee.org/jtgtz |
| 13:52.55 | Hili | oh takeyourhatoff -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 455 Nov 3 03:35 /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | So someone altered it yesterday |
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| 13:53.21 | takeyourhatoff | and the same for /etc/lsb_release |
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| 13:53.26 | Iridos | Hili, supposing you can still install packages, you can probably see the extent your system has mixed up with apt-show-versions | grep -v wheezy # some "No available version in archive"-packages may be normal, though |
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| 13:53.49 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: how long have you had the box? |
| 13:54.00 | takeyourhatoff | forget the lsb_relaese shting |
| 13:54.04 | Hili | takeyourhatoff 'ls: cannot access /etc/lsb_release: No such file or directory' and about a month |
| 13:54.24 | takeyourhatoff | ok, why did you change /etc/apt/sourcs.list yesterday then? |
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| 13:54.38 | Hili | Iridos: apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 13:54.43 | mint | Hili: it is lsb-release not lsb_release |
| 13:54.55 | Hili | takeyourhatoff to install something, can't remember what right away |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | it's lsb_release on my wheezy box |
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| 13:55.03 | abrotman | oh, the file in /etc/, sorry |
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| 13:55.13 | abrotman | Hili: Do you have information on this system you care about? |
| 13:55.39 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: remember when I said it was probbaly your fault and you said all you did was apt-get upgrade, and i said thats all you rememebr doing, well i guarentee it was becuaswe you modified /etc/apt/sources.list :-) |
| 13:55.43 | takeyourhatoff | what did you try to install? |
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| 13:56.28 | Hili | takeyourhatoff probably |
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| 13:56.42 | abrotman | Hili: Do you have information on this system you care about? |
| 13:56.48 | petn-randall | LIERO: Er, yeah. Just just half way upgraded to sid. You are not running stable now. Why did you add that line? |
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| 13:57.04 | Hili | abrotman, what information and system do yo mean? |
| 13:57.11 | ompaul | Hili: information as in a database or web pages or something |
| 13:57.12 | takeyourhatoff | abrotman: I think he can fix it if he removes the packages he installed from the ubuntu repos and repairs sources.list |
| 13:57.12 | LIERO | the package I needed was only available on sid |
| 13:57.19 | LIERO | can I undo it with apt? |
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| 13:57.29 | petn-randall | !tell LIERO -about downgrade |
| 13:57.37 | LIERO | okay, thanks |
| 13:57.45 | petn-randall | LIERO: If you upgraded 300 packages, you'll have to reinstall. |
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| 13:57.50 | LIERO | and then I can only upgrade libusb from stable? |
| 13:57.56 | LIERO | reinstall? |
| 13:58.01 | Hili | ompaul, abrotman, yes, lots |
| 13:58.03 | petn-randall | LIERO: Which package did you need that wasn't in stable. Yes, reinstall. |
| 13:58.13 | ompaul | Hili: back it up |
| 13:58.14 | LIERO | like the OS? lol |
| 13:58.18 | LIERO | gqrx-sdr |
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| 13:58.22 | petn-randall | LIERO: Yes, like the OS. |
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| 13:58.51 | petn-randall | ,v gqrx-sdr |
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| 13:58.52 | judd | Package: gqrx-sdr on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.3.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.3.1-2; sid: 2.3.1-2 |
| 13:59.33 | Iridos | judd, versions libusb |
| 13:59.35 | judd | No package named 'libusb' was found in i386. |
| 13:59.35 | petn-randall | LIERO: gqrx-sdr is in wheezy-backports, it was unnecessary to pull packages from sid. Where did you take gqrx-sdr from? |
| 13:59.40 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: top tip, never modify /etc/apt/sources.list, instead, when you want to add new repositories (which you should only rarely do), make a new file in /etc/apt/sourses.list.d/ |
| 13:59.42 | Iridos | oh |
| 13:59.45 | takeyourhatoff | doesnt help you now |
| 13:59.54 | Hili | cries |
| 14:00.06 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: what packages did you install from the repo you added to sources.list |
| 14:00.42 | Gerben_ | takeyourhatoff, he also did an apt-get upgrade, that has probably pulled a lot in too |
| 14:00.43 | ompaul | Hili: to find out what you did in terms of damage consult your log files for apt in /var/cache/apt/history and so forth |
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| 14:00.57 | LIERO | petn-randall, added "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:01.07 | takeyourhatoff | Gerben_: oh, yeah, Hili you are in a world of hurt |
| 14:01.10 | ompaul | Hili: at least it is only a month of stuff |
| 14:01.17 | LIERO | but the massive installation of packages was folliwing "apt-get install upgrade libusb" |
| 14:01.18 | ompaul | not years :) |
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| 14:01.35 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: I have one last ditch idea |
| 14:01.37 | Hili | well, then it's obvious I'm screwed |
| 14:01.39 | takeyourhatoff | it is a crazy one |
| 14:01.42 | takeyourhatoff | very crazy |
| 14:01.47 | takeyourhatoff | but so crazy it may just work |
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| 14:01.57 | Hili | I'm loving the sound of crazy right now |
| 14:02.04 | Hili | are you going to suggest a reboot? |
| 14:02.12 | takeyourhatoff | Hili: how do you feel about upgrading from debian to ubuntu? |
| 14:02.19 | ompaul | coughs |
| 14:02.25 | Hili | chokes |
| 14:02.38 | Gerben_ | he does not exactly sound like an experienced admin |
| 14:02.43 | Gerben_ | he has a half working system now |
| 14:02.50 | Hili | :p |
| 14:02.52 | Gerben_ | that will more likely just make everything worse |
| 14:02.54 | ompaul | get data off it - copy to somewhere |
| 14:03.03 | Gerben_ | exactly |
| 14:03.04 | petn-randall | LIERO: 'apt-get install upgrade libusb' isn't a valid syntax. Either way, you've got a Frankendebian now that's likely broken beyond repair. Reinstall the OS and restore from backups, anything else will just be a world of pain in the long run. |
| 14:03.04 | takeyourhatoff | Basically you have a hybrid debian ubuntu system now |
| 14:03.15 | takeyourhatoff | lets try and complete the transormation |
| 14:03.17 | Hili | nice, but not really |
| 14:03.31 | LIERO | oh, *-install |
| 14:03.40 | LIERO | brilliant |
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| 14:03.49 | LIERO | thanks for your help either way |
| 14:03.49 | LIERO | )) |
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| 14:04.08 | LIERO | what are the chances of my grub being corrupt now |
| 14:04.25 | LIERO | I'll make a bootable USB xubuntu just in case |
| 14:04.28 | Gerben_ | if I may, could anyone help me with my orig problem? |
| 14:04.30 | Gerben_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.32 | jowy33 | is someone german who can help me? |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | Gerben_: meant to be a server? |
| 14:04.52 | abrotman | !de |
| 14:04.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:04.56 | Gerben_ | abrotman, yes |
| 14:05.19 | DammitJim | is this an ipv6 connection? |
| 14:05.21 | abrotman | Gerben_: you might be a bit stuck, the backport kernel probably supports this, but you'd have to create a custom netinst to do that |
| 14:05.24 | DammitJim | tcp 0 0 ::ffff:172.30.255.19:55701 ::ffff:192.168.232.11:50000 ESTABLISHED |
| 14:05.32 | DammitJim | I got that line from doing an netstat -n |
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| 14:05.56 | petn-randall | LIERO: On a scale from 1 to 10? Probably "blue". If you upgraded half your system, including system libraries, the system pretty much undefined. |
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| 14:06.45 | Hili | Ok, thanks for the help guys. |
| 14:07.02 | Gerben_ | abrotman, I could always go the hacky way. Boot using anything that boots, eg, Ubuntu. Debootstrap including the backports kernel. |
| 14:07.05 | Hili | TIL not to mess with sources.list |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gerben_ about custom netinst |
| 14:07.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Gerben_ about wheezy-backports |
| 14:07.39 | petn-randall | Hili: Well, you can mess with it, you just need to exactly know what you are doing. Same goes for anything that involves root permissions. |
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| 14:08.40 | Hili | petn-randall, you're right. But my linux-foo is pretty basic, so I didn't know that adding a repository would result in this mess when runnin apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:09.15 | petn-randall | Hili: As a rule of thumb, if you're typing in your root password you should stop for a moment and review what you are doing. Anything that involves root can potentially hose your system. |
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| 14:09.51 | Hili | Yep, lesson learned. |
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| 14:10.09 | petn-randall | Hili: Unfortunately it happens too often to people, yeah. |
| 14:10.21 | ompaul | Hili: so again, backup your data. Get it off the box. Clean install. Next time ask before, and check wiki.debian.net |
| 14:10.41 | ompaul | it will help and that might be wiki.debian.org |
| 14:11.14 | Hili | Ok ompaul, thanks. |
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| 14:22.36 | cummingsson | Is there a way to see what is eating up my disk space? |
| 14:22.49 | Walex2 | cummingsson: yes. |
| 14:22.54 | cummingsson | my drive is at 100% and I have no idea why and what is eating it |
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| 14:23.13 | Walex2 | cummingsson: usually logs or some other form of spool... |
| 14:23.17 | Gerben__ | du -hs folderofchoice |
| 14:23.36 | Brigo | cummingsson, baobab is graphical tool, you can try it too. |
| 14:24.13 | Brigo | iotop will tell you who are writting to the disk too. |
| 14:24.33 | cummingsson | only have a terminal |
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| 14:26.22 | Walex2 | cummingsson: du -m --max-depth=3 $DIR | sort -n | tail -20 |
| 14:26.22 | Brigo | cummingsson, the logs, du -h and iotop should suffice |
| 14:26.29 | cummingsson | I found it... |
| 14:26.33 | cummingsson | my little error.log |
| 14:26.39 | cummingsson | 50MB a second |
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| 14:28.56 | ylooc | Hello. What happens theroretically, if i have in debian squeeze a lot of packages compiled from source (different versions of php, mono,...) and create dist upgrade to wheezy? Will these packages compiled from source still work or need to recompile them? |
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| 14:32.51 | DevAntoine | in a package's history, what does "stable-security" refer to? |
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| 14:35.30 | Brigo | ylooc, you will need to try, but most libraries will be upgradede, so it will be easy that the programs fail with the new ones. |
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| 14:38.51 | fraff | should I use grub-pc or grub-legacy ? I don't get the difference |
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| 14:39.48 | abrotman | not grub-legacy |
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| 14:40.33 | fraff | ok, thanks |
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| 14:41.45 | ylooc | Brigo, upgraded means, that old ones are deleted? For ex. if i look at /usr/lib/ i can find libraries *.so, which are actually symlinks to libs, named by their version. So if i create dist-upgrade, will it remove these old versions and install new ones and update symlinks or will it leave old versions alone and just update symlinks to new ones? |
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| 14:45.55 | smue | I'm currently using Debian 7.7. If I set the locales to en-US.UTF8 it always goes back to POSIX locales at the moment of a new login. I want to set the locales permanent and currently I don't know where this mistake happens. |
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| 14:46.17 | smue | I used a SSH client from two different machines and there is always the same behaviour |
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| 14:47.04 | DevAntoine | in a package's history, what does "stable-security" refer to? |
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| 14:48.12 | wols_ | debian stable security updates |
| 14:48.35 | wols_ | smue: how do you set the locale? |
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| 14:49.12 | smue | export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:49.15 | DevAntoine | wols_: it's another version besides testing and stable? |
| 14:49.21 | DevAntoine | or is it merge in stable? |
| 14:49.25 | DevAntoine | I'm lost with the release process |
| 14:49.32 | smue | I think this is not permanent wols_, but with dpkg-reconfigure locales I thought it would be permanent |
| 14:49.46 | wols_ | DevAntoine: no. it's debian stable updates |
| 14:50.09 | Ox17 | command : locale-gen? |
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| 14:50.15 | wols_ | smue: that is not what loceles configures. you set a environment variable. that is your current locale |
| 14:50.39 | wols_ | the dpkg-reconfigure command makes various locales available, it doesn't set them |
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| 14:50.56 | DevAntoine | wols_: so, when a new stable is release, every updates coming into it comes from security-stable? It's only security updates? |
| 14:51.04 | DevAntoine | no new software versions? |
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| 14:51.12 | smue | wols_: Okay, but how do I set this systemwide and also for a all users, If i do sudo -u www-data locale the locale of this user is also POSIX. I always get issues with german umlaute so its disturbing ;) |
| 14:51.29 | mtn | DevAntoine: only security and bug fixes come into stable |
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| 14:51.49 | wols_ | smue: set it in /etc/environment (tho I'm not sure about jessie there...) |
| 14:52.03 | mtn | DevAntoine: sometimes security means newer software, like browsers and email clients. |
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| 14:52.16 | petn-randall | DevAntoine: stable-security is a separate repo, but it's part of the stable release. It's a separate repo that provides security updates in a timely manner. |
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| 14:52.35 | Extensa5630G | does debian have two package managers which are apt and aptitude? |
| 14:52.57 | Bartleby | aptitude is just a curses front end to apt. |
| 14:53.15 | mtn | Extensa5630G: those are front ends to dpkg, which is the package manager |
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| 14:53.51 | Extensa5630G | mtn: apt and aptutude are front-ends to the main debian packaging manager which is dpkg? |
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| 14:54.19 | mtn | Extensa5630G: what part of that did you not understand? |
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| 14:55.03 | Extensa5630G | mtn: i was confirming my thoughts wit hthat question. |
| 14:55.08 | mtn | Extensa5630G: ok |
| 14:56.00 | smue | wols_: Following Google it seesms to be that /etc/environment is deprecated and I should use /etc/default/locale, in /etc/default/locale there is LANG=en_US.UTF-8 so it should work -.- |
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| 14:56.19 | DevAntoine | ok, thanks mtn, wols_ and petn-randal. |
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| 14:57.31 | DevAntoine | so, based on that, considering the following package's history: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/php5/php5_5.4.4-14+deb7u14_changelog I can tell that php5.4 was on stable Mon, 06 May 2013 18:15:49 +0200 with the following package version: 5.4.4-14+deb7u1? |
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| 14:57.50 | wols_ | smue: never worked for the webserver for me. /etc/environment however always worked |
| 14:58.10 | smue | wols_: Okay I'll try |
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| 15:02.35 | jelly | DevAntoine: timestamps in changelogs are often set a couple days before the .deb files are uploaded. Checking snapshot.debian.org might be more correct. |
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| 15:04.09 | DevAntoine | jelly: but how do I search only for stable? |
| 15:04.09 | smue | wols_: I used /etc/environment, i does not work... Thats really strange |
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| 15:05.05 | jelly | DevAntoine: by looking at Packages.gz package lists for a certain date, I guess |
| 15:05.54 | wols_ | smue: you rebooted? |
| 15:06.36 | jelly | DevAntoine: so click down into dists/ subdirectory... eg. for wheezy, amd64 arch, http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20130505T122303Z/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/ |
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| 15:09.18 | DevAntoine | jelly: hum, I type "php5" in the package search's input which redirects me to this: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 15:09.42 | jelly | DevAntoine: don't do that. Browse /debian/ and /debian-security/ by date |
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| 15:10.43 | DevAntoine | jelly: why not stable? |
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| 15:11.59 | DevAntoine | jelly: wow: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/?year=2013&month=5 |
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| 15:15.18 | jelly | DevAntoine: http://snapshot.debian.org/ -> Archives /debian/ -> pick month -> pick timestamp -> dists/ -> THEN wheezy/ -> main/ -> pick binary archicecture, eg. bimary-amd64/ -> then download and look at that Packages.gz |
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| 15:15.49 | smue | Reboot did not work... |
| 15:15.52 | smue | This is really strange |
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| 15:18.14 | DevAntoine | jelly: hum, all that stuff to have an exact date :/ I guess I'll just stick with the package's history Thanks any way for the tips |
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| 15:19.53 | jelly | DevAntoine: the date can even vary between architectures if builds fail on less known ones |
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| 15:22.03 | DevAntoine | jelly: I see. Too much work for a simple date |
| 15:22.47 | jelly | right, but that's because it's not as simple as it seems |
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| 15:24.14 | DevAntoine | jelly: I'm sure it isn't |
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| 15:50.40 | pav5088 | I'm having an issue playing mp3's from the web (in iceweasel)... I'm getting "video can't be played because the file is corrupt." Any ideas how I can fix things? |
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| 15:57.19 | pav5088 | Hmmm... fixed. |
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| 15:57.40 | pav5088 | I went to the about:config page and set media.gstreamer.enabled to false |
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| 16:02.47 | brentaarnold | How does one change the default DE selected at the login screen? |
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| 16:02.55 | brentaarnold | Debian 7.7, MATE |
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| 16:03.43 | jhutchins | brentaarnold: There's usually a subtle icon on the login screen to change the default session. |
| 16:04.00 | jhutchins | brentaarnold: Sorry, default, depends on the DM. |
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| 16:07.20 | brentaarnold | jhutchins: DM? |
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| 16:12.27 | jhutchins | brentaarnold: gdm, kdm, xdm, lightdm, whatever presents the login screen. |
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| 16:13.37 | Muhammadram | hello |
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| 16:15.10 | brentaarnold | jhutchins: I have MATE, XBMC, and Gnome Classic installed. I want to default it to MATE but it's defaulting to Gnome Classic |
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| 16:15.42 | brentaarnold | Of note: MATE installed through backports |
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| 16:17.12 | Brigo | brentaarnold, if you have installed gnome, then your DM is gdm3. It is capable of select the defalut manager. |
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| 16:18.22 | DammitJim | I've been trying to hunt a server that doesn't exist |
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| 16:19.24 | brentaarnold | Brigo: The login screen doesn't retain the correct or most recent DE. It says 'Default XSession' but defaults to Gnome Classic, not MATE. |
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| 16:20.15 | Brigo | brentaarnold, you shuold can select mate in some place. |
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| 16:20.59 | brentaarnold | Brigo: I can, but it doesn't retain the correct choice for the next boot is my problem. |
| 16:21.55 | Brigo | i think in the next you should use 'last session' not default. Another approach is to delete gnome. |
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| 16:23.15 | brentaarnold | Brigo: To my knowledge there isn't any 'last session.' There's only default xsession, Gnome Classic, MATE, and XBMC. How would I go about uninstalling Gnome without removing all of the dependencies or software that I do want to keep? |
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| 16:26.11 | Brigo | remove gnome package, it is an empty virtual package. Then install the package you want, so they are marked like manual installed, and remove the others. |
| 16:26.47 | brentaarnold | Brigo: TY |
| 16:27.07 | Brigo | brentaarnold, good luck :) |
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| 16:32.19 | jhutchins | brentaarnold: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.customizing-graphical-interface.html |
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| 16:33.41 | ratsupremacy | Hmm, I have a dedicated server, and whenever I use rsync -e ssh to transfer files, it reboots! |
| 16:33.47 | ratsupremacy | Any idea why that could be? |
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| 16:38.07 | jhutchins | ratsupremacy: By "dedicated server" may we asssume you mean a physical server at a remote hosting service? |
| 16:38.34 | jhutchins | ratsupremacy: What logs have you examined? |
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| 16:42.59 | pmart | I have 4 GB of RAM. free says "total" is 3374 MB. I assume the missing 722 MB are used by the kernel and graphics card (which doesn't have dedicated memory). I'd like to verify that. Can you recommend any commands for that? |
| 16:43.11 | brentaarnold | jhutchins: TY |
| 16:43.29 | jelly | pmart: which kernel are you using? What does uname -r say? |
| 16:43.47 | pmart | jelly: 3.10 (old backport) |
| 16:44.05 | jelly | that's not the complete string |
| 16:44.19 | pmart | lspci -v for graphics card says "Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]" |
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| 16:44.29 | pmart | jelly: 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 16:45.16 | pmart | does it mean 256 has been allocated for GPU and the rest is 722-256 MB is used by kernel? |
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| 16:53.45 | ksk | hey guys. i tried to check for already updated but still used libraries using 'sof -nnP | grep DEL.' - there it says: "apachee2 [...] /SYSV00000000" - can someone explain to me what kind of file that is |
| 16:53.58 | pmart | jelly: so, do you have any tricks I could use? |
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| 16:54.48 | jelly | pmart: not really, just wanted to doublecheck whether it was a 32bit kernel maybe |
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| 16:55.32 | jordanm | ksk: I would guess a semaphore |
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| 17:00.16 | ratsupremacy | jhutchins: I think so |
| 17:00.23 | ratsupremacy | jhutchins: I've tailed syslog but the connection dies |
| 17:00.35 | ratsupremacy | so if that has any info I don't see it |
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| 17:02.55 | nabblet | hi, i am on debian 7.7 (wheezy) and want to install youtube-dl. do I understand correctly that this is not possible from the repos? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=youtube-dl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 17:03.24 | linuson | Hi, how to ping each domain from text document 4 times? |
| 17:03.41 | linuson | Is there some bach exec, or xargs or something |
| 17:03.42 | nabblet | linuson: this question is best asked in #bash |
| 17:04.26 | ratsupremacy | jhutchins: ok tailing /var/log/messages yields bugger all |
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| 17:06.09 | nabblet | hi, i am on debian 7.7 (wheezy) and want to install youtube-dl. do I understand correctly that this is not possible from the repos (see link)? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=youtube-dl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all (on an related matter: do messages i send before sync appear in this channel? Did you already see my similar message before?) |
| 17:06.46 | ompaul | ,v youtube-dl |
| 17:06.47 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2014.10.30-1 |
| 17:06.59 | ompaul | yes and yes |
| 17:07.30 | ompaul | nabblet: ^^ |
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| 17:07.36 | nabblet | ompaul: ok, thank you (and sorry for the spam - i was not sure how syncing influences my messages sent to this channel) |
| 17:07.47 | ompaul | it doesn't |
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| 17:08.09 | nabblet | ompaul: what does syncing then do? |
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| 17:09.00 | nabblet | ompaul: i get the user list, then "Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 56 secs" |
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| 17:09.23 | ompaul | I wonder if google has a better definition |
| 17:09.36 | nabblet | ompaul: this is probably the wrong channel though... :) Thank you anyway for the help on the youtube-dl matter. |
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| 17:11.10 | Iridos | hm, it's not in wheezy-backports |
| 17:11.42 | ompaul | nabblet: you should be aware that the client asks the server for data - it gets that returned that is the time |
| 17:11.51 | ompaul | nothing to do with the channel i/o |
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| 17:12.25 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 17:13.14 | Iridos | nabblet, usually you'd have to backport the package that you get from jessie... looks to me as if it was pure python, though... so in this specific case it's probably ok to get&install the package from jessie (or sid) |
| 17:13.18 | wuffi600 | on wheezy how can i pruge evolution without uninstalling gnome? please see here: http://paste.debian.net/130259/ |
| 17:14.00 | Iridos | wuffi600, you have to install the packages you want to keep so they are installed independently from the metapackage gnome |
| 17:14.39 | wuffi600 | Tridos, ok i c , thank you. |
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| 17:15.21 | Iridos | wuffi600, installing the gnome-core metapackage that doesn't have end-user applications is probably a good start |
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| 17:18.44 | Iridos | wuffi600, if you run "apt-cache show gnome|grep Depend" it gives you everything that the "gnome" metapackage depends on... |
| 17:19.47 | Iridos | dpkg, tell wuffi600 about unmarkauto |
| 17:20.24 | TheCreeper | Anyone know whats with quotatool package being unusable and not fixed for over a year? |
| 17:21.11 | Iridos | wuffi600, you should have a pm from the bot explaining this... actually on the example of gnome |
| 17:21.48 | Iridos | TheCreeper, is it, though |
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| 17:23.40 | Iridos | judd, versions quotatool |
| 17:23.45 | judd | Package: quotatool on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.11-1; wheezy: 1.4.12-1; sid: 1.4.12-1 |
| 17:23.57 | wuffi600 | iridos: thank you really much for the good hint. |
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| 17:24.39 | TheCreeper | Iridos: I beleive it is. There is a bug report for the package that is a year old but not progress has being in updating the package. |
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| 17:24.57 | Iridos | I found it |
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| 17:25.55 | Iridos | guess just nobody did the work, then |
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| 17:31.17 | TheCreeper | Looks like the maintainer of quotatool is updating some of their other packages but not quotatool. :( |
| 17:31.56 | jelly | plays guess the maintainer game |
| 17:32.27 | jelly | guessed wrong |
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| 17:34.44 | i5513 | hello, on a updated debian sid, how can I stop all related to network ? I'm trying to stopping NetworkManager and networking services , but NetworkManager is restarting and not stopping |
| 17:35.19 | mtn | i5513: using systemd? |
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| 17:36.05 | i5513 | do you know if Debian have an uptodate reference about Neworking ? At https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html talk about systemd-networkd but I'm not sure how work it |
| 17:36.13 | XandriX | odd one for you guys i did an apt-get distupgrade from squeeze to wheezy machine is up and everything but when i come to login via ssh it displays the motd then the connection closes without any reall error message |
| 17:36.18 | i5513 | mtn: yes, sid upgraded with gnome-shell |
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| 17:36.33 | mtn | i5513: systemctl stop NetworkManager |
| 17:36.54 | i5513 | that stop first NetworkManager, but then it is started again |
| 17:36.56 | jhutchins | XandriX: ssh -vvv, enable debugging in the sshd_config |
| 17:37.07 | mtn | i5513: systemctl disable NetworkManager |
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| 17:38.48 | XandriX | jhutchins: guess itl haveto wait till late tonight when i can get actual phisical access to that machine cuz even -vvv doesnt say much and im guessing maybe i did not enable debugging on sshd_config |
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| 17:39.49 | jhutchins | XandriX: I |
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| 17:40.07 | jhutchins | XandriX: I'm guessing the target system is debian, what is the system you're connecting from? |
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| 17:40.29 | XandriX | the pfsense firewall in that lan |
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| 17:40.59 | dob1 | hi, i would like to buy a intel nuc haswell (i3 or i5) and installing debian stable with it, someone has experience with it? can i have some problems because is new as hardware? |
| 17:41.11 | dob1 | *on it |
| 17:41.28 | XandriX | jhutchins: kinda of the only other machine in there that is not windows so its a pfsense box and i am a bit confused as apparently the exit status code i get can mean many things |
| 17:41.36 | towo` | dob1, maybe the graphics does not work propper |
| 17:41.36 | jhutchins | XandriX: My guess would be protocol mis-match. |
| 17:41.43 | XandriX | even with putty |
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| 17:41.56 | dob1 | towo`, what you mean more precisely ? I will able to see something ? |
| 17:42.16 | jhutchins | I thought haswell got worked out a year or two ago. |
| 17:42.18 | i5513 | thank you mtn |
| 17:42.22 | towo` | with vesa, you should |
| 17:42.25 | mtn | i5513: welcome |
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| 17:42.41 | i5513 | should /etc/network/if-down.d/ scripts to be executed when NetworkManager is disable ? |
| 17:42.42 | towo` | but the graphics stack from stable is way too old for haswell |
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| 17:43.05 | i5513 | or I had to use NetworkManager distpatcher hook ? |
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| 17:43.26 | dob1 | towo`, if i use backports what packages i need? only xorg and kernel? |
| 17:43.34 | nohklm | Hello, what is this? https://wiki.debian.org/Apache/Hardening#File_permissions |
| 17:43.41 | nohklm | > For historical reasons, the Apache runs as a user named www-data. This is somewhat misleading since normally, the files in the ?DocumentRoot (/var/www) should not be owned or writable by that user. |
| 17:43.54 | nohklm | so who should own files in /var/www/ ? what permissions? |
| 17:43.59 | towo` | dob1, i don't know, if backports has a new enougth graphics stack |
| 17:44.06 | towo` | i do not use stable |
| 17:44.14 | jhutchins | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:44.15 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.916-1~exp1 |
| 17:44.36 | jhutchins | The backported driver should support haswell just fine. |
| 17:44.48 | towo` | not realy |
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| 17:45.31 | g00se | nohklm: is that part of what #apache call 'Debian bork'? ;) |
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| 17:45.55 | dob1 | jhutchins, "should" or it will ? :) |
| 17:45.55 | towo` | for the full power of haswell even 3.0-rc from experimental does not support it "fine" |
| 17:46.11 | jhutchins | dob1: haswell supporte was added in .20. |
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| 17:46.50 | dob1 | i buy it just to install debian, hope it will work as you said |
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| 17:47.17 | jhutchins | dob1: What are you going to use it for? |
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| 17:47.39 | XandriX | well this kind of blows haha i guess ill figure it out later apparently |
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| 17:48.02 | dob1 | jhutchins, i low power server for tests, but i would like to have a desktop enviroment working even if i will use it primary via ssh |
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| 17:48.35 | dob1 | I don't want to install ubuntu or other distributions |
| 17:48.53 | jhutchins | dob1: It will certainly work with VESA, but that's fairly low resolution. I think the backported driver should work ok as long as you're not trying to run Windows games under Wine or something. |
| 17:48.57 | enyc | dob1: =) |
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| 17:50.24 | towo` | only the ddx from backports would not help many, even the kernel has to be from backports |
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| 17:51.20 | XandriX | jhutchins: its really odd what the -vvv tells me when i connect to that box |
| 17:52.43 | jhutchins | towo`: What isn't supported in the older kernels and drivers? |
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| 17:53.07 | towo` | i915 from 3.2.x |
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| 18:18.35 | Extensa5630G | can anyone help me? lately when I run a 3D application such as games or such, I get error(s?) like this: |
| 18:18.38 | Extensa5630G | http://paste.debian.net/130280/ |
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| 18:20.33 | towo` | Extensa5630G, glxinfo | grep -i render |
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| 18:21.09 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, what graphic card? |
| 18:21.20 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: ATI 3470 HD |
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| 18:22.23 | Extensa5630G | /bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution |
| 18:22.28 | Extensa5630G | d'oh |
| 18:23.09 | XandriX | jhutchins: i cant even pass a command to it via ssh hahaha |
| 18:23.30 | Extensa5630G | towo: |
| 18:23.31 | Extensa5630G | http://paste.debian.net/130281/ |
| 18:24.36 | towo` | Extensa5630G, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:24.46 | Extensa5630G | towo`: Right on. |
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| 18:27.06 | Extensa5630G | towo`: http://paste.debian.net/130282/ |
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| 18:28.37 | towo` | Extensa5630G, hm, looks fine |
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| 18:28.57 | towo` | direct rendering: No does not look fine |
| 18:29.22 | Extensa5630G | i have to turn it on then right? |
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| 18:29.43 | towo` | Extensa5630G, firmware-linux-nonfree is installed or? |
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| 18:30.39 | Extensa5630G | towo`: It is sir. |
| 18:30.46 | Treah | Hey everyone, I am trying to run debian potato in virtualbox mostly just to poke around and was wondering if there was one of the net adapters in virutal box that was supported bak then. The default one does not seam to be supported in linux 2.2 and PCnet-PCI II does not work either? I thought these were in linux 2.2 but i might be mistaken |
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| 18:31.03 | towo` | hm, i have no clue, why direct rendering is disabled |
| 18:31.22 | Extensa5630G | towo`: Will keep googling, thanks anyway sir. |
| 18:31.37 | towo` | Extensa5630G, dpkg -l | grep mesa |
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| 18:33.44 | Extensa5630G | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:33.52 | Extensa5630G | bah |
| 18:34.26 | Extensa5630G | towo`: http://paste.debian.net/130283/ * |
| 18:35.32 | towo` | Extensa5630G, hm, it's all there |
| 18:36.08 | Extensa5630G | should purge the mesa thing and reinstall it or something? :o |
| 18:36.14 | Extensa5630G | *should I* |
| 18:36.43 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, no, did you try to install drivers from outside debian? |
| 18:37.30 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: Definitely not. theyre are the same ones that got installed with debian . |
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| 18:38.51 | towo` | Extensa5630G, can you paste dmesg | grep -i radeon |
| 18:38.58 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, it could be the problem. |
| 18:39.19 | Extensa5630G | Right on. |
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| 18:39.56 | towo` | Extensa5630G, your x-log is saying [ 28.914] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled |
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| 18:40.00 | towo` | this makes no sense |
| 18:40.08 | Extensa5630G | ah i see :o |
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| 18:40.43 | Extensa5630G | There it is: |
| 18:40.44 | Extensa5630G | http://paste.debian.net/130286/ |
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| 18:41.51 | towo` | Extensa5630G, looks even fine |
| 18:42.08 | Extensa5630G | strange..did I do something that i have forgotten about? |
| 18:42.12 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, try to reinstall those libreries from 'dpkg -l | grep mesa' |
| 18:42.25 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: after purging them? |
| 18:42.39 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, i think the driver you have installed from outside debian can delete some debian libraries. |
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| 18:42.49 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, no, only reinstall them |
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| 18:43.14 | Brigo | for correcting some deleted library. |
| 18:43.23 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: Right on. |
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| 18:45.21 | Brigo | but it should be not enough, there is some links involved, and reinstalling could not solve it. |
| 18:46.56 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: I see. |
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| 18:50.51 | ReinH | Are there any gotchas with the way dash quoting/expansion works? I'm working with a tool that uses system sh to run a command and the command I've prepared using a bash script runs on systems where /bin/sh is bash (OS X) but no on Debian... |
| 18:51.10 | ReinH | Specifically does it handle the character ":" in any special way? Seems strange but I'm running out of ideas... |
| 18:51.46 | Brigo | ReinH, most debian system has bash installed, use it. |
| 18:51.55 | ReinH | Brigo: Not an answer :( |
| 18:52.00 | Brigo | ReinH, if you prefer dash, man dash |
| 18:52.03 | ReinH | I am working *with a tool that uses system sh* |
| 18:52.08 | ReinH | I don't control the tool |
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| 18:52.58 | ReinH | So "use bash instead" is not an answer to my problem. |
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| 18:53.49 | Neobenedict | this guy in another chan added an ubuntu repo to sources.list and accidently ran apt-get upgrade |
| 18:53.54 | Neobenedict | is he completely fucked |
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| 18:55.40 | ReinH | So, are there any issues with dash shell expansion that would cause bash quoted command line options to be interpreted differently when run by dash? Specifically, how is '--with-foo-options=--foo=foo --bar=bar' interpreted? |
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| 18:59.44 | Brigo | Neobenedict, mostly |
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| 19:00.02 | Neobenedict | lol, figured |
| 19:00.42 | Neobenedict | lul. that'd be a believable hoax though vs rm -rf / |
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| 19:01.44 | Brigo | Neobenedict, if there is a log /var/log/ you can try undo thing. |
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| 19:02.17 | ReinH | Ok, alternative solution: can I use `dpkg-reconfigure dash` non-interactively to revert the system shell to bash? |
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| 19:02.40 | Neobenedict | the undo thing, Brigo? |
| 19:03.08 | Brigo | uninstall the packages installed from ubuntu |
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| 19:03.24 | Brigo | and reinstall the correct ones. |
| 19:03.38 | Brigo | ReinH, try dpkg-reconfigure -plow dash |
| 19:03.45 | heurist | ReinH: you can also create a symlink sh -> bash for that user only somewhere in the path before /bin/ |
| 19:03.59 | ReinH | heraclitus: I'm unsure how sh is being called though :/ |
| 19:04.02 | ReinH | woops |
| 19:04.05 | ReinH | heurist: ^ sorry |
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| 19:04.36 | heurist | ReinH: fair point, you can try that though, saves you from changing it for the hole system. |
| 19:04.47 | Brigo | ReinH, ls -l /bin/sh |
| 19:04.49 | ReinH | Well, this is a docker container so I can be a bit aggressive and link /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
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| 19:05.18 | heurist | ReinH: backup/snapshot and try all the things |
| 19:05.21 | ReinH | heraclitus: luckily "the whole system" is something I bring up and throw away about 10 times an hour ;) |
| 19:05.30 | ReinH | heurist: not a problem :) |
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| 19:07.04 | Extensa5630G | Brigo: Ah, purging then reinstalling the package glx-alternative-mesa did solve it :) |
| 19:07.48 | Brigo | Extensa5630G, good for you :) |
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| 19:08.19 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 19:08.19 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 19:08.29 | jhutchins | Neobenedict: That technique might be helpful. |
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| 19:09.00 | jhutchins | Neobenedict: It shouldn't have installed that much because there should have been dependency errors, ubuntu packages should not be automatic "upgrades" of debian packages. |
| 19:09.17 | Neobenedict | he's probably screwed it up evn more |
| 19:09.24 | Neobenedict | waiting for him to pastebin his dpkg log |
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| 19:14.16 | ReinH | Neobenedict: nuke it from space time? |
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| 19:14.56 | Neobenedict | ye |
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| 19:15.23 | Ox17 | hello, i want to know how to repartition the free space on my drive to create a new partition |
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| 19:16.09 | Ox17 | im using LVM encryption with the recommended partitioning settings, just a swap and the / file system, would it be possible to make a new partition ? |
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| 19:19.16 | Brigo | Ox17, with LVM, sure. |
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| 19:20.52 | Brigo | Ox17, i think you can use the graphic tool gparted. |
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| 19:23.25 | jasonwc | does anyone know whether Bacula can do image-based backups |
| 19:23.36 | jasonwc | I don't want to have to restore a windows system from file backups |
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| 19:25.51 | vook | clonezilla can - not sure about bacula |
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| 19:27.15 | jasonwc | so, what are the options for automated, incremental image-based backups that can be used for a cold-metal restore? Mondo and clonezilla? |
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| 19:30.31 | Brigo | jasonwc, i think you can not do an incremenatal backups of images. |
| 19:30.44 | jasonwc | i do so with Acronis TrueImage |
| 19:30.51 | jasonwc | i don't see why not; it just updates changed blocks |
| 19:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, bacula |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | Bacula is an open source network backup, recovery and verification tool. http://www.bacula.org/ #bacula on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:32.12 | jasonwc | yeah, i already setup bacula |
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| 19:32.20 | jasonwc | but its backups are file-based so you need to create the partition first |
| 19:32.34 | jasonwc | it is OK for linux, not great for windows |
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| 19:33.53 | steven-- | I learned something - Debian is what you make of it |
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| 19:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | steven--, that must have come as a shock :) |
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| 19:36.07 | steven-- | CutMeOwnThroat: Yup |
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| 19:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jasonwc, I was trying to say: it has it's own irc channel... whith people who probably know better than #debian, although it might take them some time to answer |
| 19:36.46 | jasonwc | ah, sorry about that |
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| 19:38.53 | Ox17 | what is the secure way to copy the whole home directory ? |
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| 19:39.32 | jhutchins | jasonwc: Anything wrong with dd and cron? |
| 19:39.46 | jhutchins | jasonwc: Or partclone? |
| 19:39.48 | steven-- | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 19:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jasonwc, take some garlic with you, when you go there |
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| 19:40.59 | heurist | Ox17: there are many meaning to the term "secure". what do you mean? what do you mean "copy". rsync over ssh is a favorite. |
| 19:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | steven--, don't give potentially destructive advice |
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| 19:41.49 | jasonwc | jhutchins, dd isn't incremental so it uses much more space and something like bacula can automate full, differential, and incremental backups for multiple machines, automatically rotating backups |
| 19:41.49 | steven-- | when I use dd my bs is 1000m |
| 19:41.52 | jasonwc | dd is fine for a one-time backup |
| 19:41.59 | Ox17 | heurist: i want to format this computer and want to copy my home folder with all settings so i can put it back after installation |
| 19:42.07 | Ox17 | copy to a flash drive |
| 19:42.44 | jhutchins | Ox17: Ok. |
| 19:42.49 | heurist | Ox17: tar is probably your best bet. not sure where the security requirement comes in there. |
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| 19:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ox17, pack it into a single file: tar -cvzf /media/flashdrive/myhome.tgz $HOME/ |
| 19:43.18 | heurist | Ox17: maybe use two flash drives in case one it faulty. |
| 19:43.40 | steven-- | is there a way I can have a virtual keyboard in the cli? |
| 19:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | heurist, I think he meant "safe" instead of secure (i.e. long filenames, permissions, file times etc are preserved) |
| 19:44.24 | Ox17 | thanks CutMeOwnThroat , heurist . YEAH! |
| 19:44.36 | heurist | CutMeOwnThroat: I do not like "think" so I ask. but yes, that is why we are saying tar. (: |
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| 19:45.44 | steven-- | My laptop has an 800x480 screen res and when I boot the debian installer i have to press tab and type vga=normal fb=false |
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| 19:52.17 | steven-- | O////O |
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| 19:55.10 | steven-- | my laptop is an eee pc 4g surf running at 6xx mhz |
| 19:55.36 | AndChat370944 | Hi. I've already asked this on ubuntu channel but got no answer yet. Please advice. Ubuntu not loading after i enter my password. Just a blank screen. I pressed ctrl alt f1 and now i am in console |
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| 19:56.06 | voltron | howdy, I'm trying to import a root CA certificate into my debian amd64 sid installation, but I'm having issues. The root cert is an OpenCA issued cert, I can download it in CRT, PEM, DER, CER and text format. The update-ca-certificates script, however, appears to want a .crt file (otherwise the file is ignored), but if I use a .crt file, it complains that it isn't valid DER-encoded certificate data. I'm at a loss as |
| 19:56.06 | voltron | to what format it expects or where I should put the certificate |
| 19:56.13 | heurist | dpkg: tell AndChat370944 -about ubuntu |
| 19:56.34 | voltron | rather, I know where is supposed to be /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, but that doesn't appear to work* |
| 19:56.35 | brentaarnold | exit |
| 19:57.00 | AndChat370944 | Sorry |
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| 19:57.41 | steven-- | AndChat370944: AndChat is no longer being developed. You can use AndroIRC |
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| 19:58.42 | heurist | voltron: should your files not go in /etc/ssl/ ? |
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| 19:59.04 | steven-- | how do i install wpa2 support? |
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| 19:59.55 | heurist | steven--: apt-get install wpasupplicant |
| 20:00.07 | voltron | heurist, my understanding is that update-ca-certiciates should put it there for me.. |
| 20:00.08 | steven-- | why not wireless-tools? |
| 20:01.14 | steven-- | I had an ssd that the sector where the mbr goes into just 'died |
| 20:01.35 | steven-- | It was impossible to install grub |
| 20:01.53 | voltron | heurist, I can put it there manually, but I'm not sure which format or where? i.e., should it be /etc/ssl/mycacert.crt ? or in a subdirectory/other format? |
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| 20:02.19 | nikio_ | whats a good email/calender client for linux? |
| 20:02.24 | heurist | voltron: I am unsure. does it not do that? do you get errors? have you checked the debian wiki? |
| 20:02.31 | voltron | I manually imported the certificate into Iceweasel, but that doesn't help with Pidgin.. |
| 20:02.35 | heurist | dpkg: tell nikio_ -about crosspost |
| 20:02.47 | steven-- | nikio_: terminal or graphical? |
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| 20:03.32 | nikio_ | graphical, why would I want a terminal email client ? o0 |
| 20:03.41 | steven-- | O//O |
| 20:04.04 | steven-- | Mozilla Thunderbird |
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| 20:06.04 | nikio_ | I dont understand how people would prefer terminal programs |
| 20:06.13 | steven-- | I do |
| 20:06.24 | steven-- | Because I only have a 4gb ssd |
| 20:06.36 | nikio_ | its like insisting on a trabant if you can have an audi a8 |
| 20:06.50 | nikio_ | why only 4gb? |
| 20:06.55 | nikio_ | whats ssd |
| 20:07.03 | steven-- | solid state drive |
| 20:07.06 | steven-- | No spinning discs |
| 20:07.24 | nikio_ | so get a bigger harddisk : p\ |
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| 20:08.47 | voltron | heurist, I couldn't find anything on the debian wiki, I've seen a few links in google, e.g., http://brightbox.com/blog/2014/03/04/add-cacert-ubuntu-debian/, here's the terminal output (redacted) http://pastebin.com/yQPYi8Gu |
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| 20:12.08 | heurist | voltron: questions about jessie/sid are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:12.09 | XandriX | so ssh closes the session after i login like right before it starts bash yet ive checkd and libc still works fine and no pam errors are recieved with ssh -vvv to the debian machine what could it be ? |
| 20:12.29 | Bartleby | :nikio Terminal programs often have a fairly uniform interface that is easy to customize if neccesary, whereas every GUI is its own special snowflake. |
| 20:13.59 | heurist | XandriX: is the users shell bash? that behaviour is expected if the shell is set to /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin (or to a shell that doe not exits, though you should get an error in that case). |
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| 20:14.37 | voltron | heurist, thanks |
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| 20:19.34 | captainchris | hi everybody |
| 20:19.45 | captainchris | i need to restart hal daemon |
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| 20:19.56 | captainchris | but it is not in /etc/init.d |
| 20:20.12 | heurist | dpkg: tell captainchris -about enter |
| 20:21.01 | captainchris | ?? |
| 20:21.05 | XandriX | heurist: its the user ive always used on that machine and yes the shell is bash this has happend since upgrading to wheezy and before you say it no at the time being i dont have phisical access to the machine and wont for a while |
| 20:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, hal |
| 20:21.19 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval |
| 20:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, devicekit |
| 20:21.46 | dpkg | DeviceKit is a hardware abstraction layer developed by the people at <freedesktop.org>, intended to replace and correct the perceived shortcomings of <HAL>. http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DeviceKit Deprecated in favor of udev-extras, merged with <udev> (BTS #533348). |
| 20:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | /o\ |
| 20:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought deviceKit would be somehow the same program-set as policykit... but yeah, udev |
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| 20:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | captainchris, it's all udev now for a long time... and you don't restart udev, it's only a set of rules that the kernel follows |
| 20:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, udev |
| 20:23.22 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, the Linux kernel's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Ask me about <udev mac>, <blacklist.conf>. See also <udev rules>, <udev squeeze>, <udev details>, <dpin>, <devtmpfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev #udev on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:24.32 | XandriX | heurist: i cant even pass it a command of any kind haha but it displays motd and my other services are running fine i dunno what to do |
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| 20:25.31 | sydney | How can i install libboost 1.55.0 in debian wheezy? |
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| 20:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | XandriX, it's your new great shell /bin/false |
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| 20:26.51 | heurist | XandriX: is this jus for one user, or all users? can you ssh in as anyone else? without being able to access the box to see if bash can run there is not much that you can do. with a shell that exits immediately you will still see the motd as that is done by pam before the shell. |
| 20:27.44 | sydney | I need to install it, but am stumped as to how to. |
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| 20:29.00 | XandriX | heurist: kind of the only user i had setup on that box and obviously i do not permit root login |
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| 20:29.54 | heurist | sydney: wheezy has libboost 1.49 you can not install 1.55 |
| 20:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libboost-doc |
| 20:30.09 | judd | Package: libboost-doc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.55.0.2; sid: 1.55.0.2 |
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| 20:31.20 | XandriX | heurist: kinda hopeing i can get it to output anything or change the shell but no luck haha |
| 20:31.42 | heurist | XandriX: upgrading a remote box is very brave. I feel your pain, but can not help you. you will need to gain access to the box, maybe get the support staff where the box it to reboot it, just in case. |
| 20:32.06 | sydney | heurist: I know, but there must be some way easier than compiling manually. |
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| 20:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sydney, well... you can backport it from the source package in testing... only, what other packages than the one you want to build will need libboost and will they break because the library is not perfectly backwards-compatible in some way? |
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| 20:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell sydney about ssb |
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| 20:35.21 | sydney | good question... |
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| 20:35.37 | nikio_ | hey, my most recent Debian doesnt support sudo apt-get .. it says bash: sudo: command not found. Also the Debian menus are a lot shorter, for example there is no root terminal item in the menu. |
| 20:35.46 | nikio_ | Does anyone know what could be the reason for this? |
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| 20:36.10 | teraflops | install sudo if you want to use sudo nikio_ |
| 20:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nikio_, sudo is not installed by default... if you want it, install it |
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| 20:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | the menus... dunno, gnome-shell has menus? I thought it's all that freakin-huge-icons list ow |
| 20:37.30 | Ox17 | nikio_: log in as root, apt-get install sudo , edit the /etc/group file and put your user into the wheel group. |
| 20:38.04 | nikio_ | ok thanks guys.. what about the shorter menus? All my debian installs so far had longer lists, it had a root terminal for example |
| 20:38.18 | nikio_ | It doesnt feel right : < |
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| 20:39.12 | jhutchins | Ox17: sudo group. |
| 20:39.44 | jhutchins | nikio_: I never had a root terminal on the menu. |
| 20:39.54 | jhutchins | nikio_: Been running Debian since etch. |
| 20:40.02 | nikio_ | jhutchins, hmm weird o0 |
| 20:40.02 | jhutchins | nikio_: I don't run gnome though. |
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| 20:40.09 | nikio_ | I run gnome I think |
| 20:40.18 | nikio_ | how do I find out what i run? |
| 20:40.30 | jhutchins | nikio_: ps ax? |
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| 20:41.17 | nikio_ | i see some gnome folders |
| 20:41.26 | nikio_ | oh |
| 20:41.35 | nikio_ | 3890 gnome-terminal |
| 20:42.36 | nikio_ | jhutchins, it just doesnt feel right lol.. suddenly my menus are shorter. I wish I knew why. I often have to know why, or it eats me a little in the back of my mind. |
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| 20:43.08 | jhutchins | nikio_: Well, it could be there are packages you haven't installed yet, it could be Gnome working to simplify the interface. |
| 20:43.47 | nikio_ | how do i add root terminal ? |
| 20:43.49 | sydney | niko You put your mouse in the top-left-hand-corner, and a menu appears, correct? |
| 20:44.03 | teraflops | nikio_: I think you can still use alacarte to generate the menus |
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| 20:44.07 | jhutchins | nikio_: I dunno, I always just use su - in a reglar terminal. |
| 20:44.46 | sydney | su - + root password = log into root account. |
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| 20:45.31 | User | Is linux ready for the windows user? |
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| 20:46.01 | User | Curious to know, how many of you guys still dual boot |
| 20:46.23 | Bushmaster | hi, i am interested to install debian in my machine, but the iso image has like dvd 1, dvd2 etc, which one i need to download? |
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| 20:46.37 | XandriX | heurist: ima climb in the addic when i get to that particular house and check with screen and keyboard i guess |
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| 20:47.40 | nikio_ | teraflops, alacarte :p ? |
| 20:47.52 | nikio_ | sounds magnificento |
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| 20:47.58 | User | Bushmaster, if you have an internet connection use the net install iso... |
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| 20:48.48 | Bushmaster | User i do not see that on the site |
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| 20:51.21 | Trieste | Hi, I want to set-up a compeltely read-only system, I've already read https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot but I'd like if the /home were set-up in a certain way, so I was thinking of setting up a runlevel 1 init script which would unpack a tarball into /home(et cetera) mounted as tmpfs - would that work? |
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| 20:52.06 | Trieste | same with /etc, likely |
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| 20:52.47 | Trieste | I don't mind the added boot time, what I'd like to end-up with is basically a system that doesn't mind having power lost very often |
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| 20:55.24 | twisty-1 | Hi |
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| 20:56.38 | twisty-1 | Which file system do you recommend for / ? ext4 or xfs? What's the difference, and which one is for what? |
| 20:57.10 | Trieste | twisty-1: what's the purpose of the system? |
| 20:57.18 | twisty-1 | I heard xfs is better performance and stability, but ext4 have the same features i think? |
| 20:57.56 | twisty-1 | I need it for a high performance and stability storage server |
| 20:58.23 | nikio_ | what does apt-get -f install do? |
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| 20:58.45 | twisty-1 | nikio_: apt-get --help |
| 20:59.02 | nikio_ | ok |
| 20:59.09 | nikio_ | what about dpkg what does it mean? |
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| 20:59.18 | nikio_ | i mean the letters |
| 20:59.21 | nikio_ | what to they stand for |
| 20:59.49 | twisty-1 | You mean the letters in dpkg --help ? |
| 21:00.02 | nikio_ | ok |
| 21:00.16 | twisty-1 | nikio_: ? |
| 21:00.27 | nikio_ | no |
| 21:00.31 | nikio_ | dpkg |
| 21:00.45 | twisty-1 | debian package(s) |
| 21:01.03 | nikio_ | hmm so we do: debian package foo.deb |
| 21:01.19 | nikio_ | shouldnt it be called : debianpackageinstaller |
| 21:01.22 | nikio_ | so dpki |
| 21:01.39 | twisty-1 | No, dpkg is multi-functional, not only for package installations |
| 21:01.59 | nikio_ | i see |
| 21:02.08 | nikio_ | so then dpk |
| 21:02.09 | nikio_ | dpkm |
| 21:02.14 | nikio_ | m for manager |
| 21:02.40 | twisty-1 | d = debian, pkg = package |
| 21:02.47 | nikio_ | or t for tool |
| 21:02.48 | twisty-1 | standard letters for all debian-based systems |
| 21:03.09 | nikio_ | because its a tool for debian packages, its not a debian package |
| 21:03.26 | twisty-1 | Hmm, i think it's a debian package too |
| 21:03.26 | nikio_ | just my two cents ; ) |
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| 21:04.00 | twisty-1 | all in your debian systems is built into a .deb ... so all you see is a package ;) |
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| 21:04.16 | glick | hi |
| 21:04.23 | nikio_ | isnt .deb the packaged version, and to use it, it must be unpackaged |
| 21:04.31 | glick | hey, has anyone here used/heard of M-Discs? |
| 21:04.35 | nikio_ | ? |
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| 21:05.20 | twisty-1 | nikio_: .deb is like a windows installer (sorry for ads), like a .tar.gz, but inclused informations for the dpkg tool (version, requirements, changelog, etc) |
| 21:05.28 | twisty-1 | *include |
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| 21:06.49 | twisty-1 | nikio_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) |
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| 21:07.08 | usr3 | looking to run adroid on debian mostly to play android games. what is the best way to do this? |
| 21:07.37 | centrx | usr3, Download the Android emulator from Google |
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| 21:07.57 | usr3 | ah, okay. i'll give it a try |
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| 21:08.53 | nikio_ | twisty-1, yep so i wouldnt say that dpkg is package |
| 21:08.56 | twisty-1 | nikio_: This would be useful too for you ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpkg |
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| 21:09.11 | nikio_ | it comes from a package |
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| 21:09.16 | twisty-1 | Yes |
| 21:09.26 | nikio_ | like a chicken that comes from an egg ; ) |
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| 21:09.50 | twisty-1 | :P |
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| 21:10.47 | mietek | Hi. |
| 21:10.50 | mietek | dpkg: admindir must be inside instdir for dpkg to work properly |
| 21:10.50 | dpkg | mietek: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:11.18 | mietek | Is it at all possible to use dpkg -i to install into an arbitrary directory? |
| 21:11.27 | mietek | Or is dpkg -x the best it can do? |
| 21:11.37 | nikio_ | dpkg was originally created by Matt Welsh, Carl Streeter and Ian Murdock, first as a Perl program,[4] and then later the main part was rewritten in C by Ian Jackson in 1994.[5][6] The name dpkg was originally the short for "Debian package", but the meaning of that phrase has evolved significantly, as dpkg the software is orthogonal to the deb package format as well as the Debian Policy which defines how Debian packages behave. |
| 21:11.37 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, nikio_ |
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| 21:11.44 | mietek | When googling, I only find unsanswered qustions on this topic. |
| 21:11.55 | mietek | unanswered* |
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| 21:16.16 | Brigo | mietek, man dpkg, search for --root= |
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| 21:17.46 | Loshki | mietek: for many packages, the paths are set at compile time, so even though you can use -x to extract into an arbitrary directory, it's likely that the code won't know to look there for any files it needs. |
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| 21:19.55 | twisty-1 | So, back to my partition question: What do you recommend for a high performance storage server? XFS or ext4? I heard XFS have better performance and better stability, but i think ext4 have it too? |
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| 21:23.32 | iateadonut | Is there a way to configure ssh to always offer up a couple of keys? e.g, if i have id_rsa and id_rsa2 and id_rsa3 and i want ssh to try all of them each time? |
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| 21:26.02 | Loshki | iateadonut: not sure. The man page mentions multiple -i options. I'd look there... |
| 21:26.08 | brontosaurusrex | on wheezy, trying to compile minidlna 1.1.4, I have just freshly compiled ffmpeg, getting error: configure: error: Could not find libavformat - part of ffmpeg |
| 21:26.12 | brontosaurusrex | any pointers? |
| 21:26.29 | brontosaurusrex | (the thingy did compile on another wheezy machine) |
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| 21:30.38 | Loshki | iateadonut: that's the one... |
| 21:30.39 | iateadonut | thanks. was able to update the config file with several IdentifyFile lines for Host * |
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| 21:30.52 | nikio_ | Debian doesnt show the right temperature outside! :< |
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| 21:31.04 | nikio_ | its not 5 degrees celcius its like 9 |
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| 21:32.22 | nikio_ | its somewhere between 9 and 6 |
| 21:32.24 | nikio_ | but not 5 |
| 21:32.24 | nikio_ | : < |
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| 21:41.56 | zeRopHan | how i do backup on linux ?? |
| 21:42.05 | zeRopHan | mysql database |
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| 21:44.19 | Juon | Hellow |
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| 21:44.26 | jhutchins | zeRopHan: Lots of options. mysqldump for a live backup, then tar.gz the output. |
| 21:44.40 | zeRopHan | jhutchins: oks mysqldump |
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| 21:45.06 | jhutchins | zeRopHan: Stop mysql, tar.gz /var/lib/mysql/<database> |
| 21:45.29 | zeRopHan | jhutchins: i need live backup |
| 21:46.00 | rdman1 | DAR or bacula or backuppc or duplicity... or tar |
| 21:46.37 | rdman1 | or amanda |
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| 21:48.56 | jhutchins | rdiff-backup |
| 21:49.20 | zeRopHan | permission denied |
| 21:49.20 | jhutchins | Do NOT waste your money on the O'Reilly backup book. |
| 21:49.22 | zeRopHan | ;X |
| 21:49.40 | zeRopHan | on live backup |
| 21:49.48 | zeRopHan | i can't stop server |
| 21:49.54 | zeRopHan | i'm on work |
| 21:49.55 | jhutchins | zeRopHan: Why would you even try except as root? |
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| 21:50.02 | User | what is the best OS after linux distrubutions? |
| 21:50.24 | rdman1 | Windows Server |
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| 21:50.26 | jhutchins | User: That's not a debian support question. |
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| 21:51.05 | User | jhutchins, why so linear ? |
| 21:51.24 | zeRopHan | jhutchins: my coordinator is off |
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| 21:54.28 | jfeltz | how does one objectively benchmark/profile process execution times? e.g. time CMD always shows the impact of locality on the second run |
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| 21:55.01 | jhutchins | jfeltz: man time |
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| 21:56.26 | jfeltz | "time CMD always shows the impact of locality on the second run", I don't want that |
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| 22:00.36 | ompaul | !benchmark |
| 22:00.36 | dpkg | i guess benchmark is $ time foo; |
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| 22:01.59 | ompaul | jfeltz: there is no like with like comparison, for many reasons, best reason is machine profile and use case - if done differently for different people choice might be worst ever vs best ever (perhaps slightly extreme example but it works for the paradigm) |
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| 22:02.55 | DustyDin1o | i want to install debian live on an usb stick: so i do 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb;' but the resulting file system is too small to hold the iso file |
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| 22:03.01 | DustyDin1o | what do i do? |
| 22:03.12 | jhutchins | !live |
| 22:03.13 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:03.33 | jfeltz | ompaul, english please |
| 22:03.41 | ompaul | jfeltz: you can't get there from here |
| 22:03.42 | jhutchins | jfeltz: You first. |
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| 22:05.09 | ompaul | you assume that benchmarks mean something, they don't, they speak to exactly the config that is tested, you need to test what you are thinking about, and take your own results and note if you added more ram or better cpus and less ram or whatever might improve your performance or disk space or something else |
| 22:05.29 | ompaul | so a benchmark means nothing |
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| 22:05.52 | jfeltz | ompaul, it means something relative to the system that I'm on |
| 22:06.03 | ompaul | jfeltz: which is totally intuitive to all |
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| 22:06.36 | ompaul | even sata disks of different speeds can have a huge impact, for instance 15k disks vs 7500 |
| 22:07.07 | ompaul | each job you are thinking of you do a time, check the load check for impediments and work on it very hard |
| 22:07.13 | ompaul | maybe you will get something |
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| 22:07.42 | ompaul | database tuning is completely different to tuning for results from GPAs |
| 22:07.50 | jfeltz | I have a very practical problem, your basically trolling and FOS |
| 22:07.53 | ompaul | multinode ves whatever |
| 22:07.55 | Vasco86 | Hello, i wana prticipate to the debian project, what are the steps ? |
| 22:07.59 | jfeltz | you're* |
| 22:08.41 | ompaul | jfeltz: you were given time - it is the only thing that does what you want other than you to your own calculations, there are tests but they are all rubbish unless you have lots of configs |
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| 22:08.54 | ompaul | which file system |
| 22:09.06 | ompaul | what is it you want to optimise |
| 22:10.12 | ompaul | but I enjoy the FOS it gives me an excuse to rant about the stupidity of trying to measure many different interdependent things with no idea what it is you want to document |
| 22:10.40 | wkd | anyone know how the remove the openvpn access server? |
| 22:11.30 | ompaul | service openvpn stop is the first step |
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| 22:12.27 | ompaul | wkd: then the opposite of the install - why not use the openvpn package? |
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| 22:14.06 | ompaul | jfeltz: had you the basic cop on to tell people what the problem was, you might have had more luck. |
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| 22:14.53 | jfeltz | ompaul: I want to objectively check the run-time of a single problem |
| 22:14.55 | jfeltz | that is a simple problem |
| 22:15.15 | jfeltz | stop trolling |
| 22:15.29 | jfeltz | run-time of a single program* |
| 22:16.09 | jfeltz | when running it twice with time, it reports the second factoring in locality |
| 22:16.10 | wkd | I've used apt-get remove openvpn but the access server webpage is still running |
| 22:16.51 | ompaul | wkd: does the control panel have an off switch - until off you might find web service and other bits tied together |
| 22:17.14 | wkd | maybe I'll check.. |
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| 22:18.17 | ompaul | jfeltz: it reports three things, one is real time, one is usr clock time allocated, lastly is system time |
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| 22:18.32 | ompaul | jfeltz: what do you mean by second factoring in locality |
| 22:18.37 | ompaul | running it twice |
| 22:18.53 | wkd | I guess it's half removed... I tried logging into the web interface and it took the password... now it's just sitting with a message saying to to continue to download openvpn connect. you will be automatically redirected when the installation is finished... |
| 22:18.54 | ompaul | or the fact that it is using seconds |
| 22:19.18 | jfeltz | ompaul: CPU caching of previous instructions, RAM caching of used memory |
| 22:19.23 | jfeltz | ompaul: it's a very simple concept |
| 22:19.26 | ompaul | yes |
| 22:19.33 | jfeltz | ompaul: your deliberately making it difficult |
| 22:19.39 | ompaul | I don't think so |
| 22:19.46 | jfeltz | ompaul: if there is no solution, then just tell me that |
| 22:19.54 | jfeltz | ompaul: instead of being a total dick |
| 22:20.12 | ompaul | there is no solution but then i decried any benchmark ages ago |
| 22:20.22 | ompaul | and thanks for the second insult |
| 22:20.32 | ompaul | I'll just leave that there |
| 22:20.38 | jfeltz | ompaul: you first |
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| 22:24.49 | jfeltz | ompaul: stop being so judgemental next time, you many get hit instead with someone who actually knows WTF they're talking about, consider a few insults as getting off lightly |
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| 22:25.43 | Disconsented | Note I am running Debian 7 on a Digital Ocean VPS: So I am trying limit where a specific user can access on my VPS via SFTP however according to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/49271/how-to-setup-a-sftp-server-with-users-chrooted-in-their-home-directories the chain of directorys has to be owned by root. I cannot do that because the directory I want to give them access to has to be web accessable (and as such needs to be owned by a specific non- |
| 22:25.43 | Disconsented | root user). Any ideas on how to resolve this? |
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| 22:30.59 | ompaul | Disconsented: drop file in staging post - detect change in directory - move file (if appropriate) to production |
| 22:31.06 | ompaul | maybe the wrong kind of file or something |
| 22:31.13 | ompaul | a little cron job in the middle |
| 22:31.24 | ompaul | and tell them to wait 5 minutes for upload |
| 22:31.34 | Disconsented | Hmm that'll work |
| 22:31.48 | ompaul | you could run a watch on the directory and react in seconds |
| 22:32.08 | ompaul | but measure if the file has been stable for a few seconds |
| 22:32.14 | Disconsented | Only problem with that however is that I am on limited (20GB) disk space, Ill have a play though. Cheers |
| 22:32.39 | ompaul | move it don't leave it in two places :) |
| 22:33.03 | ompaul | or better cp and then remove yourself in your own time in case of accidents |
| 22:33.09 | Disconsented | What if I want to delete the file afterwards? |
| 22:33.15 | ompaul | why not |
| 22:33.18 | ompaul | what's the problem |
| 22:33.29 | ompaul | you are only looking for files newer than the last upload |
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| 22:33.38 | ompaul | +2 minutes of files not changing |
| 22:33.41 | ompaul | or some such |
| 22:34.00 | ompaul | so you have a feeling that it is all there - but |
| 22:34.31 | ompaul | the better idea is to have them push in an md5sum checksum file to tell you that what they sent is what you got |
| 22:35.01 | ompaul | please also consider scp / sftp |
| 22:35.40 | ompaul | means one less ftp server on the planet, and that is good thing (FTP must die) |
| 22:36.11 | Disconsented | I said I was using sftp .-. |
| 22:36.15 | ompaul | doph |
| 22:36.16 | ompaul | doh |
| 22:36.24 | ompaul | get them to use md5sum |
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| 22:43.31 | TheStackSmasher | hello |
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| 22:48.31 | JonasNZ | I have two squeeze machines, cronjobs on one run with a umask of 0122 on the other they run with 0022 and I have no idea why - google seems to suggest this isn't configurable and that in some instances a kernel issue has been to blame but they are running the same kernel image - so I'm stumped, any ideas? |
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| 22:52.33 | ompaul | JonasNZ: same user in both cases? |
| 22:53.33 | JonasNZ | ompaul: correct, same user, same /etc/profile, which is where the umask in a shell is coming from - which is the same across machines |
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| 22:53.59 | ompaul | and .bashrc |
| 22:54.12 | ompaul | and same local .profile |
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| 22:56.01 | JonasNZ | ompaul: yes, that lives on nfs. my understanding is that cron doesn't source a profile at all - so I understand the only way is to "umask XXX; /path/to/script" in crontab to set it if a specific value is required |
| 22:56.26 | surf | hi guys I need to install python-uinput on jessie but it depends on libudev0-dev which cannot be installed. What can I do? |
| 22:56.35 | ompaul | JonasNZ which is what I was going to say next umask 00? ; /path/to/script |
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| 22:57.19 | ompaul | JonasNZ: it is an inherited value - so unless it was copied from one box to another and something changed along the way ... |
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| 22:58.04 | JonasNZ | ompaul: I've put that in place for the scripts that had issues, but I'd really like to understand why its different - I've gone and looked through inittab, /etc/init.d/rc, /etc/init.d/cron etc but both machines are the same |
| 22:58.41 | ompaul | JonasNZ: how did the second machine get informed of what scripts to use |
| 22:58.49 | ompaul | one assumes it had to be copied |
| 22:59.12 | JonasNZ | ompaul: we install crontabs from an svn repo |
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| 22:59.30 | ompaul | svn you should use git (joke) |
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| 22:59.50 | JonasNZ | ompaul: but the test I'm doing is "* * * * * username umask > /tmp/umask" into /etc/crontab |
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| 23:00.21 | ompaul | JonasNZ: are the jobs being run by root? |
| 23:00.30 | ompaul | hopes not |
| 23:00.48 | JonasNZ | ompaul: no, normal user |
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| 23:01.30 | ompaul | cool do this - set up two test users one on each box do a crontab -e for each of them perhaps something as stupid as touch /home/me/touchedfile |
| 23:01.43 | ompaul | or have a script that does that |
| 23:01.50 | ompaul | and see what your results are |
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| 23:02.57 | JonasNZ | ompaul: from crontab -e they get different results, from a shell they get the same |
| 23:03.37 | ompaul | JonasNZ: there is a difference between the boxes at some level |
| 23:03.51 | ompaul | it doesn't just happen or computers would be a lot more complex |
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| 23:04.33 | JonasNZ | I believe that, I just can't find it. pam config is the same, neither machine has a umask setting there for cron - might just stick with the umask prepend in crontab until the machines get upgraded to wheezy in the next few months |
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| 23:06.21 | ompaul | JonasNZ: one thing, it could have a change in the svn tree |
| 23:06.35 | ompaul | between box 1 and 2 time frames |
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| 23:06.58 | JonasNZ | Nop, the test cronjob I added doesn't have anything to do with svn |
| 23:07.13 | ompaul | ah |
| 23:07.18 | dw | hey. i'm running sid and using an apt pin to prevent systemd from being installed. unfortunately this is preventing libvirt-bin from being installed, which now indirectly depends on systemd via policykit. any suggestions? |
| 23:07.59 | ompaul | dw: ask in -next on oftc but I guess the answer is what's the problem the systemd it works for me :) |
| 23:08.20 | dw | thanks ompaul. also hi |
| 23:08.29 | ompaul | long time etc |
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| 23:13.30 | surf | guys how do I tell dpkg that something has been manually installed? |
| 23:13.47 | dondelelcaro | surf: use equivs or similar |
| 23:13.56 | dondelelcaro | surf: but in general, try to avoid doing that |
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| 23:15.26 | mietek | Brigo: yes, that's a non-answer |
| 23:15.40 | mietek | Brigo: I got up to `dpkg -i --force-not-root --force-all --root=/tmp/dpkg --admindir=/tmp/dpkg/admindir`, where admindir is a copy of /var/lib/dpkg |
| 23:15.50 | heurist | surf: what do you mean "manual"? maybe aptitude unmarkauto $package see man aptitude |
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| 23:16.05 | mietek | But that still doesn't work, because the post-removal script fail, because there's nothing to remove in /tmp/dpkg |
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| 23:16.19 | mietek | And even --force-all is not enough to make dpkg ignore these non-failures |
| 23:16.34 | mietek | s/script/scripts/ |
| 23:16.39 | surf | dondelelcaro, thanks, I think equivs will make it |
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| 23:17.06 | surf | dondelelcaro, I need to install python-uinput on jessie but it depends on libudev0 which is not shipped anymore |
| 23:17.24 | heurist | surf: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:17.43 | Brigo | mietek, no luck, then. |
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| 23:18.51 | mietek | No luck? |
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| 23:19.14 | mietek | Yes, I've had no luck so far, which is why I was hoping someone more knowledgeable than myself would be able to help. |
| 23:20.44 | TheStackSmasher | Hello, a couple of weeks ago, I installed an updated version of libc6 from the sid repos on my wheezy system. With some luck, and help from the #! community, I got the correct .debs and forced them using dpkg. The update broke locales and some other stuff, which I reconfigured |
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| 23:21.13 | TheStackSmasher | now, the system has been running fine, but can i expect a hit on stability because of that? |
| 23:21.33 | heurist | dpkg: tell TheStackSmasher -about frankendebian |
| 23:21.53 | heurist | TheStackSmasher: yes, you can expect problems every not and again. |
| 23:22.51 | dondelelcaro | surf: you'd think that you'd be able to rebuild it against libudev1 |
| 23:23.08 | TheStackSmasher | heurist: could you elaborate a little? what problems are you referring to? |
| 23:23.16 | surf | dondelelcaro, maybe, I should try |
| 23:23.58 | heurist | TheStackSmasher: updates may get confused, you will have trouble diagnosing problems, you will have trouble getting support... |
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| 23:24.40 | dondelelcaro | surf: alternatively, you might also want to considering maintaining python-uinput in Debian |
| 23:25.46 | ompaul | TheStackSmasher: you now have a choice, go to sid for everything, or get back to stable |
| 23:25.54 | ompaul | by means of a fresh install |
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| 23:26.17 | ompaul | TheStackSmasher: looks like you broke that stack :-( |
| 23:26.28 | TheStackSmasher | lol :P |
| 23:26.53 | TheStackSmasher | however, the sid versions have been purged |
| 23:27.05 | TheStackSmasher | i replaced them with the stable ones |
| 23:27.11 | ompaul | and you are sure nothing is left over |
| 23:27.20 | ompaul | not one library or config |
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| 23:27.31 | TheStackSmasher | hehe that's why I'm asking :) |
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| 23:27.32 | ompaul | hopefully you got it all |
| 23:28.01 | TheStackSmasher | I hope so... the machine's been running perfectly for a month or so, but's I'm still paranoid.... |
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| 23:28.24 | ompaul | TheStackSmasher: backups are a great thing before things go wrong |
| 23:29.08 | wkd | I'm having problems with iRedMail certs... I made certs at startssl.com and according the config the certs iRedMail generated are /etc/ssl/certs/iRedMail.pem and /etc/ssl/private/iRedMail.key ...I replace those with the certs generated at startssl, what am I not doing right? |
| 23:29.09 | TheStackSmasher | yeah, I do keep backups of my files... and a full disk backup (told you I'm paranoid :P) |
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| 23:30.27 | TheStackSmasher | anyways... thanks a lot. Good night everybody! |
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| 23:35.59 | edju | Running stable and KMail. Cannot get local mail from root - /var/mail/mail. I get a "Permission denied" error msg. The file is -rw-r--r-- . Any pointers appreciated. |
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| 23:36.55 | somiaj | edju: what about the permissions on /var and /var/mail? |
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| 23:40.22 | edju | somiaj, /var is drwxr-xr-x , and /var/mail is drwxrwsr-x |
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| 23:46.48 | edju | Is this thing on? |
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| 23:52.20 | Neobenedict | hi |
| 23:52.29 | Neobenedict | i need a guide on how to resize /dev/md3 |
| 23:52.29 | Neobenedict | http://pastebin.com/6Z77CULj |
| 23:52.54 | Neobenedict | is it easier to symlink |
| 23:52.57 | Neobenedict | probably |
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| 23:53.38 | edju | somiaj, Seems I was disconnected. Did you get my last msg? |
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| 23:54.20 | somiaj | edju: yea I didn't see what the permission issues could be, is it asking for write permissions and your file system is mounted read only was my only other thought. |
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| 23:55.36 | Balduin | every time I restart my system the resolv.conf is overwritten. I have no resolvconf service installed! So how can I prevent the resolv.conf for beeing changed? |
| 23:56.38 | somiaj | Balduin: do you have your devices being automatically brought up in /etc/network/interfaces or by network-manager. Configure the correspoding thing to set the resolv.conf correctly. Unsure how to use nm, but if it is dhclient rewriting it, you can configure it to write a some specific nameservers to that file. |
| 23:57.01 | edju | somiaj, Maybe. I'll try that, though I don't see why KMail would wnt write permissions. |
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| 23:57.25 | somiaj | edju: doesn't it have to write mails and changes to the mail file? |
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| 23:58.18 | somiaj | edju: actually how are you trying to run this client, you said you were trying to access roots email, but isn't your normal user the one running x? |
| 23:58.22 | Balduin | somia: I do not use any network-manager because I do not have a gui installed and the service is not installed too! |
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| 23:59.46 | somiaj | Balduin: well how do you bring up your interfaces, because that is what is rewriting that file |