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| 00:00.28 | SynrG | it doesn't change that gnome is too big to put on a single cd (in fact, amd64 makes it worse, since on average, amd64 packages are larger than i386) |
| 00:00.42 | nikio_ | SynrG, i did the install and it says its already the latest version |
| 00:01.01 | SynrG | then some of the "recommended" packages simply weren't installed |
| 00:01.30 | SynrG | unfortunately, apt doesn't know the difference between stuff that you didn't install because it wouldn't fit on one cd vs stuff you didn't install by conscious choice |
| 00:01.42 | SynrG | so it respects your decision to not install that stuff and doesn't offer to install it again |
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| 00:02.32 | SynrG | anyway, i'm baffled that Pictures would not be created for you, even on the minimal gnome on cd-1. ... |
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| 00:02.50 | SynrG | it seems like a pretty basic thing. you are looking in the right place, in your home directory? |
| 00:03.32 | SynrG | that is, i wouldn't install gnome from cd-1 because it's incomplete, but i have my doubts it causes any problem with taking screenshots |
| 00:03.39 | SynrG | or with finding them after they're taken |
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| 00:04.39 | nikio_ | SynrG, im serious |
| 00:04.49 | nikio_ | home only has desktop and downloads |
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| 00:05.09 | nikio_ | im even trying to set an auto save folder with dconf but it wont work : / |
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| 00:05.30 | nikio_ | i press the ss button and i just hear the sound and a ploink |
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| 00:05.38 | nikio_ | bt no screenshot to be found anywhere |
| 00:07.08 | SynrG | nikio_: is the gnome-utils package intsalled on your system? |
| 00:07.27 | nikio_ | hmm let me check |
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| 00:08.14 | SynrG | nikio_: no, that's out of date info. let me see ... |
| 00:08.38 | SynrG | ,v gnome-screenshot |
| 00:08.39 | judd | Package: gnome-screenshot on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.0-2; wheezy: 3.4.1-1; jessie: 3.14.0-1; sid: 3.14.0-1 |
| 00:08.45 | SynrG | nikio_: is that installed? |
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| 00:09.49 | SynrG | nikio_: it ought to be. gnome-core depends on it. |
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| 00:10.00 | nikio_ | http://pastie.org/9698991 |
| 00:10.07 | nikio_ | im not sure how to read this |
| 00:10.12 | nikio_ | im pretty new to linux stuff so |
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| 00:10.47 | nikio_ | oh |
| 00:10.56 | nikio_ | i missed the last two words but they are there |
| 00:11.02 | SynrG | nikio_: so yes, gnome-screenshot is installed. |
| 00:11.03 | nikio_ | the arch and description values |
| 00:11.28 | SynrG | doesn't matter. it's the first two columns that tell us the desired and current status |
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| 00:12.01 | SynrG | "ii" means the desired status is to install it, and it is currently installed |
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| 00:12.14 | nikio_ | cool : ) |
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| 00:13.23 | nikio_ | SynrG, maybe i need gnome uitils |
| 00:13.29 | nikio_ | https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots |
| 00:13.38 | nikio_ | this seems to sugggest I do |
| 00:13.50 | SynrG | that page is very out of date |
| 00:13.54 | SynrG | ,v gnome-utils |
| 00:13.55 | judd | Package: gnome-utils on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.0-2 |
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| 00:14.02 | SynrG | squeeze was the last release with gnome-utils |
| 00:14.16 | SynrG | it's a wiki. nobody has bothered to update that page |
| 00:15.00 | nikio_ | ok |
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| 00:15.28 | SynrG | click "Info" and you can see the revision history of any wiki page |
| 00:15.46 | SynrG | you can see most of the material is from 2010 and earlier |
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| 00:16.24 | nikio_ | SynrG, http://pastie.org/9698993 |
| 00:17.05 | SynrG | nikio_: try simply performing "mkdir Pictures" in your home directory |
| 00:17.09 | SynrG | then try a screenshot again |
| 00:17.34 | SynrG | uh? you're root. of course that doesn't work |
| 00:17.43 | nikio_ | why :p |
| 00:17.43 | SynrG | root isn't authorized to talk to your user's desktop session |
| 00:17.55 | nikio_ | i thought root can do anything |
| 00:18.14 | bahax | Yeah can't he!!? |
| 00:18.16 | SynrG | sure, but you haven't told root where your desktop session is by setting all of the appropriate environment variables |
| 00:18.36 | nikio_ | SynrG, well the mkdir made a folder but after the ss button |
| 00:18.39 | nikio_ | nothing inside |
| 00:18.41 | SynrG | and your root shell hasn't inherited those things from the shell from which you opened that one |
| 00:18.41 | bahax | Root can't run vidalia :D |
| 00:19.24 | SynrG | nikio_: if you like, get out of your root shell and try invoking gnome-screenshot from the commandline as your user |
| 00:19.32 | nikio_ | WARNING **: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11. Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files |
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| 00:19.45 | nikio_ | thats when doing it as a user |
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| 00:20.27 | SynrG | um? can i see the output of 'apt-cache policy' for this system? |
| 00:21.09 | SynrG | i dunno. maybe it's handled differently by gnome-shell |
| 00:21.23 | nikio_ | SynrG, http://pastie.org/9698998 |
| 00:21.23 | SynrG | tbh, i haven't used gnome-shell in months. and i haven't used it on wheezy for years. |
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| 00:21.55 | SynrG | ok, looks fine to me |
| 00:22.51 | SynrG | i'm stumped. and you looked in Desktop and they're not there? |
| 00:23.00 | SynrG | those are the only two places i might expect to find them |
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| 00:24.04 | nikio_ | SynrG, yes |
| 00:24.16 | nikio_ | I googled a bit in the meanwhile, and I found out its a known bug |
| 00:24.22 | SynrG | great |
| 00:24.23 | nikio_ | there are more people out there |
| 00:24.27 | nikio_ | with this |
| 00:24.30 | nikio_ | i havent found a solution yet |
| 00:24.33 | SynrG | got a debian bug#? |
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| 00:24.39 | nikio_ | nope |
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| 00:24.54 | SynrG | there are other screenshot programs |
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| 00:25.28 | nikio_ | SynrG, auto-save-directory is empty with me.. i tried to change it with dconf but it hasnt worked out so far |
| 00:25.31 | nikio_ | maybe i have no permission |
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| 00:27.58 | nikio_ | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715038 |
| 00:28.41 | jason1 | Where is the ssh module? |
| 00:28.58 | nikio_ | SynrG, so which screenshot tool should I use? |
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| 00:30.17 | SynrG | nikio_: i dunno. i like shutter because it is very feature-rich |
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| 00:31.22 | jason1 | !seen abadboy |
| 00:31.22 | dpkg | abadboy <~AbadBoy@79.113.101.135> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 19h 44m 13s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
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| 00:31.25 | D-Boy | Debian Jessie just got frozen ?! when to expect jessie to be stable ? |
| 00:31.33 | jason1 | hi folks |
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| 00:32.07 | nikio_ | SynrG, https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1271901.html |
| 00:32.11 | nikio_ | this solution worked lol |
| 00:32.15 | nikio_ | its now in the tmp folder |
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| 00:33.38 | nikio_ | SynrG, http://imgur.com/HKTZcn7 |
| 00:33.39 | nikio_ | ; ] |
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| 00:40.43 | jasonwc | I'm trying to use the edac_31200 kernel module. I thought it was included in 3.16 but I'm not seeing it. Is anyone here running 3.17? |
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| 00:41.09 | jasonwc | If so, can you run " find /lib/modules/X | grep -i -E 'edac' |
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| 00:44.05 | relaxed | jasonwc: you can see for yourself ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.17-1-amd64_3.17-1~exp1_amd64.deb |
| 00:44.18 | g00se | 3.16-3-amd64 : /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/edac/amd64_edac_mod.ko |
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| 00:47.15 | mic_e | where do I report a kernel bug? |
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| 00:49.01 | jasonwc | g00se, i'm trying to see if ie3200_edac made it in ---> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/patch/?id=7ee40b897d18ab03111eda9a6a0550e98166eada |
| 00:49.09 | naptr | what's a good way to install the most minimal debian? not sure i need gdm and gnome3 installed. |
| 00:49.11 | jasonwc | git shows that it made it to 3.16rc2 so it should be in 3.16 |
| 00:49.30 | naptr | er, sorry, didn't mean to talk between you guys there. |
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| 00:58.48 | Myrth | hi, i made a mistake, broke shell config for /etc/passwd and got logged out... now i can't login with sudo user, but i can with regular user. i tried `su -s=/bin/bash priv` but it still looks for wrong shell. is there anything i can do? thanks |
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| 01:00.26 | heurist | Myrth: try sudo -s |
| 01:00.52 | jasonwc | relaxed, i just checked the packages from kernel.org. Sure I enough the module I need is in 3.17. Is that package you provided experimental? I don't even see 3.17 in sid. |
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| 01:01.05 | Myrth | heurist: the user i have access to is not sudoer |
| 01:02.13 | relaxed | jasonwc: yes, although I've never had issues running them. |
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| 01:02.44 | jasonwc | relaxed, how long do they normally take to make it through to backports? |
| 01:03.06 | jasonwc | relaxed, I installed 3.16 from backports and 3.16 came out in August, so not too long it appears. |
| 01:03.30 | jasonwc | i'm running wheezy but I would really like to get this module for ECC error reporting |
| 01:03.39 | relaxed | jasonwc: I only run Sid so I'm the wrong person to ask. |
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| 01:03.50 | jasonwc | heh, thanks for the help though. I appreciate it. |
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| 01:06.42 | heurist | Myrth: you may have to treat this like a root password recovery. boot rescue media or liveImage and fix the broken /etc/passwd. |
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| 01:48.18 | Territoriojoven | How do I update Spotify ? |
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| 01:54.00 | trewas | just like every other (non-native) package |
| 01:54.12 | Territoriojoven | downloading again? |
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| 01:54.53 | cra1g321 | there is a spotify repository |
| 01:55.39 | cra1g321 | iirc |
| 01:56.21 | trewas | yeah they do offer debian packages |
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| 02:02.39 | tuxnot | Hi |
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| 02:04.59 | uhart | Hi |
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| 02:05.02 | uhart | Hi |
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| 02:06.05 | uhart | I want to use openbox, would I want the package 'xorg' 'xserver-xorg' or what? |
| 02:06.37 | naptr | is apt-get part of debian base system? |
| 02:07.02 | uhart | I suppose using tasksel would be the best option to install a desktop, but it seems to want to install quite a bit extra (what almost looks Gnome specific files) |
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| 02:09.33 | jason1 | I am compiling a library from source in userspace and configure is having problems finding the openssl library which is installed , here is the error configure: error: cannot find OpenSSL or Libgcrypt, |
| 02:09.34 | jason1 | try --with-libssl-prefix=PATH or --with-libgcrypt-prefix=PATH |
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| 02:10.00 | jason1 | I tried adding the path to the .so, same error results. |
| 02:10.14 | cra1g321 | uhart install the package named xorg |
| 02:10.44 | uhart | cra1g321: And exactly what does that metapackage install? |
| 02:11.01 | cra1g321 | uhart here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xserver-xorg |
| 02:11.22 | uhart | x.org server? |
| 02:11.40 | uhart | xserver-xorg and xorg are different metapackages am i right? |
| 02:11.44 | relaxed | jason1: did you install libssl-dev ? |
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| 02:11.50 | tambor | asd |
| 02:11.56 | posod | 'wat does it install' s listed at that webpage huart |
| 02:12.20 | uhart | xserver-xorg is the x.org xserver and x.org is the x windows system |
| 02:12.37 | uhart | I want a mininal install to get openbox running, at this moment all i have is a shell |
| 02:13.06 | uhart | I don't understand the differences between those two packages |
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| 02:13.36 | cra1g321 | uhart i'd suggest looking at crunchbang and see what packages and configs it uses, then try setting a similar setup yourself |
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| 02:14.31 | uhart | Hmmm well that doesn't seem to help. I am stuck in a shell. |
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| 02:14.57 | uhart | I will install xserver-xorg-core, than try xserver-xorg, and finally xorg. |
| 02:14.58 | jason1 | relaxed: no is it required? |
| 02:15.18 | uhart | I assume that is the least-to-most list of them, and atm my connection is slow. |
| 02:15.41 | uhart | One of those metapackages has startx so I can get openbox going. |
| 02:15.42 | tambor | hello, I'm running debian wheezy and I'm having problems trying to install the ati proprietary drivers. I get this error: http://sprunge.us/GaaX. Now I've gotten that before but this time I know what's most likely causing inconsistencies... I upgraded the whole libc up to 2.19 from sid repos |
| 02:16.06 | relaxed | jason1: yes, to compile software against another lib you need its headers, which the -dev packages provide. |
| 02:16.17 | tambor | I did it in order to run steam (I later found a backported version of steam to libc 2.13 but didn't downgrade) |
| 02:16.47 | tambor | the system seems to run fine after it and I've indeed been able to install many other packages but this one is giving me headaches |
| 02:16.50 | relaxed | uhart: apt-cache show xorg |
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| 02:18.31 | uhart | Sorry for my frustration, the terminal times out and goes to sleep if inactive for a short period. I seem to dwindle long enough while typing to cause it to sleep. |
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| 02:21.14 | jason1 | Ubuntu doesn't offer any alternatives. |
| 02:22.11 | cra1g321 | uhart unless you want maybe more frustration i suggest just installing the xorg package |
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| 02:24.33 | cra1g321 | they all really depend on each other anyway |
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| 02:27.18 | naptr | uhart: setterm -powersav off -blank 0 |
| 02:27.35 | naptr | s/-powersav/-powersave/ |
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| 02:28.31 | naptr | can do the same thing for Xorg with "xset -dpms" and "xset s off" respectfully |
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| 02:36.06 | metrix | I have a mounted partition that I need to run dpkg --get-selections on so that I can install the same packages on my current machine. I tried to use chroot, but it didn't work.. . Any suggestions? |
| 02:36.51 | heurist | dpkg: tell metrix -about chroot |
| 02:37.24 | heurist | metrix: you need to mount the supporting filesystems as well. see the message the bot sent you for details |
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| 02:39.20 | metrix | OK, gotcha |
| 02:39.23 | metrix | Thank you |
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| 03:42.54 | damarusama | when I am connecting trough ssh - can I start a X application in another user session that is using X ? |
| 03:43.48 | pce | deinstall x and try debian again |
| 03:43.55 | damarusama | :D |
| 03:43.59 | pce | :) |
| 03:44.00 | damarusama | and rm -rf / |
| 03:44.20 | sabun | ? |
| 03:44.27 | pce | why are you watching youtube or something ..? ;) |
| 03:44.45 | damarusama | no trying to open up some X application for my girlfriend upstair |
| 03:44.50 | damarusama | while she's working |
| 03:45.06 | damarusama | can I direct the --display |
| 03:45.15 | damarusama | to whichever display she is using? |
| 03:45.24 | pce | yes you can try using fbi dns also |
| 03:45.25 | shingouz | damarusama: do NOT give out such "advice" here about the rm -f |
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| 03:45.47 | shingouz | sabun: that command hoses your whole system, do not use the rm -fr |
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| 03:46.04 | damarusama | shingouz: sorry I guess I am used to more advance channel where everyone knows it's a joke |
| 03:46.18 | heurist | damarusama: DISPLAY=:0 programname might work if all the xhost/xauth permissions are aligned |
| 03:46.28 | sabun | i tried rm -rf , but it said permission denied |
| 03:46.31 | sabun | how can i bypass this |
| 03:46.54 | damarusama | sabun: don't do that I was fooling around with pce |
| 03:46.59 | shingouz | sabun: what are you trying to do? the command damarusama gave you will hose your whole system |
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| 03:47.21 | rryoumaa | is there an interlock on that command? |
| 03:47.22 | sabun | i dont care, im inside a docker |
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| 03:48.09 | shingouz | sabun: if you use that command you will reinstall the whole system and at the same time lose all your data that is stored on the box. everything. |
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| 03:49.24 | sabun | shingouz, i just did rm -rf on terminal below http://runnable.com/VFp83v4Poc8y93BW/rails-hello-world |
| 03:49.45 | sabun | it is root by default |
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| 03:50.26 | shingouz | sabun: do you understand that the command in question will delete everything in your root folder. everything. the whole system will be gone forever. |
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| 03:51.28 | sabun | shingouz but i just did on that docker, nothing happened |
| 03:51.48 | sabun | it said rm: use --no-preserve-root |
| 03:53.57 | shingouz | sabun: i have no idea what you want to do |
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| 04:27.27 | tambor | ok the problem that i had earlier with this: http://sprunge.us/GaaX is that the package IS installed |
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| 04:30.25 | tambor | so if i know for sure the package required is installed (and meeting all subdependencies + proper libs), should I just force the installation? |
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| 04:47.12 | jason3 | How do I increase the number of parallel attempts on a login in medusa? |
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| 04:47.50 | jason3 | It increases the usernames isnt it possible to try 10 passwords at a time instead of one by one? |
| 04:47.55 | tambor | i know everyone here would like to tell me to downgrade libc to wheezy's 2.13 but also consider, isn't this a test of strength for an already mature operating system? For them packages to remain as backwards compatible as possible with its inmediate past release? |
| 04:48.32 | tambor | I've always felt like my true operating system at heart is archlinux |
| 04:48.40 | tambor | but I dig debian too |
| 04:49.40 | jasonwc | I'm trying to compile the 3.17 kernel from the mainline source on kernel.org to get a new module that was just added in 3.17. The "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" completed but upon inspection it complains that it couldn't find the kernel headers. |
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| 04:53.20 | Rusty1 | jasonwc: you could ask ##kernel as well |
| 04:53.58 | jasonwc | i thought it might be debian specific as I was using debian's tool to create a *.deb package to install |
| 04:54.21 | jasonwc | and i actually did install the kernel headers following the instructiosn in the mainline source |
| 04:55.04 | Rusty1 | ask there , wait here , up to you |
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| 04:55.40 | jasonwc | Is there a way to see when a package made it into a certain debian repo? I want to to know when 3.16 made it into wheezy-backports? If 3.17 will be available in a month or two, I can just wait. |
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| 04:56.58 | tambor | in debian you have to jump much more frequently upon package dependency+version problems due to staying in line with main repos, so debian makes the process of cross-versioning a little bit too wild to my taste |
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| 04:57.38 | jpleau | tambor: It's actually discouraged to install sid repos in stable, you did just that |
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| 04:59.01 | tambor | i know |
| 04:59.28 | tambor | but i took a chance and it's been running fine for at least 2 weeks |
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| 05:00.13 | tambor | minus some little things I have noticed but they've been so insignificant |
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| 05:01.30 | jpleau | jasonwc: try https://tracker.debian.org/packagename - I don't think it shows backports updates, but if you click on the little "+" on the left panel "versioned links", it brings you to their changelogs, might give you what you need |
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| 05:01.47 | jasonwc | thanks |
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| 05:02.41 | jpleau | jasonwc: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux/changelog-3.16.3-2~bpo70%2B1 |
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| 05:03.56 | Percy- | whats the package used to format a drive ? |
| 05:04.08 | jasonwc | ah, it updated pretty fast. 3.16 was released 8/3/14 and it made it to backports on 9/21/14 |
| 05:04.23 | Rusty1 | Percy-: gparted |
| 05:04.31 | Percy- | so i would do apt-get install gparted? |
| 05:04.35 | jasonwc | Percy-, did you get ZFS setup? |
| 05:04.52 | Percy- | I want to destroy the pool format drives and re create it... |
| 05:05.26 | jasonwc | Percy-, you don't need gparted for that |
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| 05:05.34 | jasonwc | Percy-, sudo zpool destroy poolname |
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| 05:05.55 | jasonwc | Percy-, sudo zpool create poolname raidz2 disk1 disk2 disk3 disk4 disk5 |
| 05:06.02 | jasonwc | if it complains they are already labeled |
| 05:06.13 | jasonwc | sudo zpool create -f poolname raidz2 disk1 disk2 disk3 disk4 disk5 |
| 05:06.16 | jasonwc | as an example |
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| 05:07.10 | veek | could someone lend me their motd for wheezy i accidentally nuked part of mine |
| 05:07.35 | Percy- | I don't like the fact that i had to -f for it to work jasonwc |
| 05:07.44 | Percy- | so for peace of mind i want to destroy and format and recreate |
| 05:07.44 | Percy- | lol |
| 05:08.04 | jasonwc | Percy-, it warns you that they are labeled so you don't accidentally format disks tht are part of an existing pool |
| 05:08.26 | jasonwc | it actaully makes you use -F even with blank drives due to a bug |
| 05:08.37 | Percy- | Well i find it weird that i had to use the same command a a few times for it to create pool http://pastebin.com/15wJRY7C |
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| 05:08.41 | jasonwc | if you are going to wipe the drives anyway with gparted, you might as well just use -f |
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| 05:08.49 | ademoglu | guys hi, what was the difference between debian 7.7.0 i386 CD and debian 7.7.0 i386 DVD, are there anywhere list of differences between CD and DVD versions ? |
| 05:10.25 | jasonwc | Percy-, i'm not sure what the cannot label errors are about |
| 05:10.50 | jasonwc | Percy-, but it looks like the pool was created - what's the issue? |
| 05:10.57 | jasonwc | I would do |
| 05:10.59 | jasonwc | sudo zpool export |
| 05:11.06 | Percy- | the cannot label? |
| 05:11.16 | Percy- | the pool is created |
| 05:11.16 | jasonwc | sudo zpool import percyb0x -d /dev/disk/by-id |
| 05:11.27 | jasonwc | that way each disk is referenced by a unique identifier |
| 05:11.36 | Percy- | jasonwc mind if i pm you ? |
| 05:11.45 | jasonwc | otherwise, if you switch disks, add a drive, change configurations, your whole pool will get messed up |
| 05:11.46 | jasonwc | sure |
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| 05:12.12 | jpleau | veek: you mean this? http://paste.debian.net/130487/ |
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| 05:12.59 | veek | jpleau, thanks |
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| 05:16.07 | akar | can we boot debian (which is already prepared as xen dom0) as independent OS without xen? |
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| 05:23.34 | jason1 | akar that depends on what you mean by we |
| 05:23.36 | jason1 | The -t option works to increasse threads. |
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| 05:36.34 | tozen | hi all! folks! i've got fluxbox de installed on my wheezy, so its have just a default slit with workspaces swither and calendar. the question is it possible to place volume icon with control option and network applet on it? sorry 4 my eng hope u r understand my issue. thx |
| 05:36.35 | Percy- | Is there a command i can use to show me what order the drives are on the hba controller? |
| 05:36.52 | tozen | *switcher |
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| 05:38.15 | jason1 | akar that depends on what you mean by we |
| 05:38.26 | jason1 | The -t option works to increase threads. |
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| 05:40.25 | rryoumaa | tozen: touzen. you can at the very least stick gkrellm in the slit and it has a volume control. |
| 05:41.42 | tozen | rryoumaa: thx will try! :) |
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| 05:46.11 | richac | how do I change my username? |
| 05:46.42 | richac | will usermod -l work on my current account? |
| 05:48.24 | richac | usermod -l <New Name> -d /home/<New Name> -m <Old Name> after logging out? |
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| 05:50.27 | angerman | Which user to run webservices on? E.g. when packaging a webservice as a debian package, which user should the service run under? |
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| 06:00.21 | relaxed | tozen: also, #fluxbox might have some ideas |
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| 06:01.56 | AlexLikeRock | nas |
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| 06:04.17 | Haris | T |
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| 06:08.21 | tozen | relaxed: thx |
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| 06:12.16 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a more stable GUI ICE client than xchat available from Debian? |
| 06:12.31 | Lady_Aleena | s/ICE/IRC/; |
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| 06:13.21 | rebelos | Lady_Aleena, u could try hexchat |
| 06:13.34 | rebelos | sudo apt-get install hexchat |
| 06:13.42 | Lady_Aleena | rebelos, I was told to use XChat over HexChat. |
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| 06:14.26 | rebelos | tbh.. i m using hexchat from 6 months now.. never seen a single hiccup |
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| 06:14.38 | rebelos | simple and fast |
| 06:15.00 | Lady_Aleena | rebelos, thanks. |
| 06:15.11 | rebelos | np :) |
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| 06:15.30 | Richard82 | hi |
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| 06:15.41 | rebelos | btw guys debian support USB modem like ubuntu? |
| 06:16.02 | Richard82 | I am just diffing 2 directories recursively by using the following command: "diff -r dir1 dir2" |
| 06:16.12 | Richard82 | the problem is, that I get a LOT of different files listed |
| 06:16.20 | Richard82 | but the changes in the files seem not to exist |
| 06:16.22 | Richard82 | example: |
| 06:16.23 | Richard82 | 1677c1677 |
| 06:16.23 | Richard82 | < |
| 06:16.23 | Richard82 | --- |
| 06:16.23 | Richard82 | > |
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| 06:16.34 | Richard82 | sorry |
| 06:16.47 | Richard82 | what can I do to avoid these files to be listed? |
| 06:17.39 | heurist | Richard82: might be whitespace. add a -w |
| 06:17.49 | Lady_Aleena | Richard82, to avoid being kicked in the future because of flooding, bookmark http://paste.debian.net/ now. |
| 06:18.20 | Richard82 | Lady_Aleena, you are right, I should have used a paste site |
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| 06:18.32 | Richard82 | heurist, thank you - I try this! |
| 06:18.54 | Lady_Aleena | Richard82, WOW, something I don't read a lot about me. (I'm hardly ever right.) |
| 06:19.53 | Richard82 | Lady_Aleena, heh, well I know the do's and don't of IRC since like 15 years, so there is nothing else to be said like "I was wrong, I should have used pastebin" |
| 06:20.03 | Richard82 | heurist, still the same problem |
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| 06:20.42 | Richard82 | heurist, diff -rqw dir1 dir2 is correct if I get the manual right |
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| 06:22.32 | heurist | Richard82: look at man diff there are options for dealing with line-breaks and blank lines and other such invisible differences. -q will make it not tell you what the difference are. that will not really help you work out why they are reported as different. |
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| 06:23.35 | Richard82 | heurist, I know, I use -q on purpose. I diff them file by file later on |
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| 06:26.39 | Haris | guys, how is the upgrade, dist-upgrade path so far ? |
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| 06:27.09 | Haris | is it clean as in works without creating a mess ? |
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| 06:27.22 | hergh | I installed Debian Jessie to a laptop and have been having an issue where the screen goes 'blank' and you must press the power button to resume. Almost like it hibernates? But I dont see uswsusp on the computer |
| 06:27.24 | Haris | or requiring fresh isntall |
| 06:28.09 | Haris | lenny > squeeze > wheezy seems ok thus far |
| 06:28.20 | hergh | I'm not sure if this is a bug, or feature. It seems to blank at as it feels right now. |
| 06:29.08 | hergh | What I mean is it is randomly 'hibernating' or whatever it is doing. |
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| 06:30.11 | Richard82 | heurist, I have no idea.... even -b and -B did not help |
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| 06:32.11 | heurist | Richard82: you first need to understand what the differences are, look at the files in hex, or in an editor that shows you exactly what characters are there. try anther tool, there are many diff tools or checksum tools that might give you better results. |
| 06:33.26 | Richard82 | I see |
| 06:33.29 | Richard82 | thank you heurist |
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| 07:49.34 | jason3 | akar |
| 07:50.00 | jason3 | akar, we? |
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| 07:51.23 | Sir_Designer | An interesting tidbit from man audit: "The OpenBSM implementation was created by McAfee Research, the security division of McAfee Inc., under contract to Apple Computer Inc. in 2004. It was subsequently adopted by the TrustedBSD Project as the foundation for the OpenBSM distribution." |
| 07:51.29 | Sir_Designer | http://www.trustedbsd.org/openbsm.html |
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| 07:56.05 | jason3 | Sir_Designer: Why is that interesting? |
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| 07:56.31 | jason3 | Didn't the mastermind of mcaffee quit to live his days out on the beach? |
| 07:57.05 | richac | i think around the same time too |
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| 07:57.53 | richac | oh i'm sorry he left in 1994 |
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| 07:58.07 | jason3 | richac: I am having a hard time getting this setup to maintain a connection. |
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| 07:58.59 | jason3 | Does 3g do hashing functions and internet service happens to be a side effect? |
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| 07:59.24 | richac | jason3: no clue |
| 07:59.38 | jason3 | richac: What are you up to? |
| 07:59.54 | richac | listening to security now on youtube |
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| 08:00.11 | jason3 | What does security sound like? |
| 08:00.24 | richac | lol like leo laporte and steve gibson |
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| 08:00.32 | richac | twit.tv |
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| 08:00.48 | jason3 | Did krose quit also? |
| 08:00.56 | richac | who? |
| 08:01.10 | jason3 | leo's old co-worker |
| 08:01.15 | heurist | !ot |
| 08:01.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 08:01.16 | richac | dunno whot hat is |
| 08:01.27 | jason3 | K. Rose |
| 08:01.45 | richac | security now is the only show i watch on it |
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| 08:02.23 | jason3 | richac: learning anything? |
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| 08:02.46 | richac | is it possible to learn anything from the news? |
| 08:02.51 | jason3 | Brain: :) Hi |
| 08:02.53 | richac | of course |
| 08:03.37 | richac | for example, last week i learned verizon, at&T and some others put headers on your outbound traffic with 3g |
| 08:03.49 | richac | for advertisers to track you |
| 08:04.06 | jason3 | If the news is compiled properly. |
| 08:04.11 | richac | jason3: lessonslearned.org/sniff |
| 08:04.23 | jason3 | Advertisers substitution cipher |
| 08:04.24 | richac | check your 3G |
| 08:04.27 | richac | lol |
| 08:04.57 | jason3 | richac: the term is marketers |
| 08:05.14 | jason3 | but talk to any marketing major and they call themselves devils |
| 08:05.20 | richac | its advertisers |
| 08:05.37 | richac | did you check your 3G yet? |
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| 08:05.51 | richac | go to that site, and learn if they are tracking you or not |
| 08:06.16 | richac | and no it has nothing to do with "substitution ciphers" lol |
| 08:07.21 | richac | unless that site actually decrypts something, i doubt it though |
| 08:08.47 | jason3 | maybe my darling has that truth lasso |
| 08:08.57 | richac | jason3: if they are tracking you, you can opt out |
| 08:09.19 | richac | jason3: but if you don't want to learn if they are or not, then so be it.... |
| 08:09.24 | jason3 | I meant "advertisers" is a sub in |
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| 08:09.44 | richac | its like talking to a brick wall haha |
| 08:10.07 | richac | i tell you what i learned on the show, and your lost in the clouds |
| 08:10.08 | jason3 | What is? |
| 08:10.16 | richac | you are |
| 08:10.38 | jason3 | What college major do advertisers have? |
| 08:11.07 | richac | stop talking to me now |
| 08:11.13 | jason3 | You tell me what you learned from the "boob tube" I tell you what I've learned from experience. |
| 08:11.20 | jason3 | And you call me a brick wall? |
| 08:11.31 | richac | another linux wacko lmao |
| 08:11.34 | jason3 | wow! |
| 08:11.59 | jason3 | Hard to compete with a box of circuits human interaction just has no value anymore. |
| 08:11.59 | richac | wow is right |
| 08:12.20 | jason3 | This is what I've learned by talking with 'advertisers' |
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| 08:12.36 | richac | you asked me about 3g, and what i've learned from steve gibsons shows. I answered both, and you ignore it and go on a rant about advertisers |
| 08:12.37 | jason3 | But I know TV knows all. |
| 08:12.43 | jason3 | All facts, undisputable. |
| 08:12.43 | richac | get lost |
| 08:12.57 | richac | and stay tracked |
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| 09:03.46 | Hercules | How do I install ncurses library on debian threw apt ? |
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| 09:06.37 | ChrisH | Hercules: aptitude search ncurses and select the needed one |
| 09:06.49 | Hercules | how to install it ? |
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| 09:07.08 | ChrisH | apt-get install XXX |
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| 09:07.41 | z3bra | Hi |
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| 09:08.09 | z3bra | What's the package that provides "xset" please ? |
| 09:08.12 | z3bra | I can't find it |
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| 09:08.57 | g00se | x11-xserver-utils |
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| 09:09.40 | z3bra | thanks |
| 09:10.05 | ChrisH | Hercules: any debian package needing ncurses should install them as dependecy automatically |
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| 09:11.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell z3bra -about apt-file |
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| 09:11.56 | Hercules | I cannot make menuconfig for psybnc ? |
| 09:11.57 | z3bra | thanks |
| 09:12.13 | Hercules | It says ncurses library needed |
| 09:12.19 | Hercules | and I installed it |
| 09:12.21 | Hercules | but still it won't work |
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| 09:13.09 | ChrisH | Hercules: if you had tell us from the very beginning you want toc compile SW yourself.... get the packages with -dev additionally, that contains the headers needed |
| 09:13.26 | z3bra | Thanks for your help, bye ! |
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| 09:14.15 | Hercules | ChrisH: There is any PsyBNC package in debian ? |
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| 09:15.51 | Hercules | ChrisH: I am trying to install psybnc, and on doing make menuconfig it says please install ncurses library, because it is needed. |
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| 09:22.50 | ChrisH | Hercules: I have no idea about psybnc, but from the webpage's download section: lateste version from 04.06.05 means, 9 years of security maintenance missing. _I_ would not use that SW. |
| 09:23.49 | Hercules | what is SW ? |
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| 09:25.23 | Dr_Coke | Hercules, i think he means software |
| 09:26.11 | Hercules | Coke: You know how to make psybnc install ? |
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| 09:28.51 | Trieste | hi, is the power saving that turns the screen off enabled in the defaultest minimal stable install? |
| 09:28.59 | Trieste | if so, how do I force disable it? |
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| 09:31.54 | mar77i | I'm here to kick ass and see painful things, and I'm all out of ass. |
| 09:32.14 | Trieste | mar77i: ##windows |
| 09:32.16 | Trieste | har har |
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| 09:32.45 | mar77i | Trieste: No. I joined #debian. |
| 09:33.10 | babilen | mar77i: Please take it elsewhere, ta |
| 09:33.22 | Delphin | hey can anyone help me? I can't connect to my ssh server from my network but I can ping my server, I am thinking there is a firewall I installed on debian that needs to be shut off |
| 09:34.33 | mar77i | does debian still obey hosts.allow? |
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| 09:35.48 | petn-randall | mar77i: man hosts.allow should answer all your questions. |
| 09:36.51 | Trieste | Delphin: you can ssh to it over lan but not over the internet, correct? |
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| 09:38.53 | Delphin | Trieste: no, I cannot connect to it on my lan |
| 09:38.54 | nikio_ | how can i download more locales? i only see the us locale under formats in system settings |
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| 09:39.14 | mar77i | petn-randall: I only know there are compiler switches for software on whether to obey it... |
| 09:39.19 | Trieste | Delphin: dumb but necessary, but are you sure the ssh daemon is running? |
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| 09:39.29 | Trieste | *question |
| 09:39.30 | nikio_ | id like the date etc to be dispaled in a dutch like format |
| 09:39.47 | Delphin | Trieste: yes because I ps ax|grep sshd and see it |
| 09:40.03 | Trieste | Delphin: okay, what does ssh -vvvvv hang on, when trying to connect to the server? |
| 09:40.16 | Trieste | (e.g. ssh -vvvvvv 192.168.23.42) |
| 09:40.17 | nikio_ | if i do dpkg-reconfigure locales, I only get the us option too after selecting all as the first option.. : < |
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| 09:42.33 | Delphin | Trieste: it does not hang, I'm on windows trying to connect using putty, server at 192.168.0.5 |
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| 09:44.49 | Trieste | Delphin: oh, so the server refuses the connection? |
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| 09:46.51 | ginkgo | any guess how long e2fsck with parameters -f -y -v might take on 5.46TiB ext4-FS? |
| 09:47.02 | ginkgo | a few hours or more like a few days?! |
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| 09:47.29 | Delphin | Trieste: yep |
| 09:47.41 | Trieste | Delphin: can you post your /etc/ssh/sshd.conf? |
| 09:48.14 | ginkgo | (afaik fsck is known for taking a very long time in certain circumstances?! :D) |
| 09:49.14 | nikio_ | how can i download more locales? i only see the us locale under formats in system settings |
| 09:49.20 | nikio_ | if i do dpkg-reconfigure locales, I only get the us option too after selecting all as the first option.. : < |
| 09:50.23 | fraff | ginkgo: depends on your cpu/mem/hard drive, on a slow machine, fsck.ext3 run for 24h on 2TB |
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| 09:53.38 | ginkgo | fraff well 2.6ghz dual core and 4gb ram, it's my slower machine, hard drive being sata2 |
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| 09:53.48 | ginkgo | guess i have to assume it will take quite some while... ty |
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| 09:54.35 | fraff | ginkgo: yes, also depends of data amount, it can be very quick if your partition is empty or so |
| 09:54.59 | ginkgo | fraff quite full :D |
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| 09:55.47 | fraff | ginkgo: it's gonna be long then :) I'll bet for 18 hours, please, let us know how long it took |
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| 09:56.32 | ginkgo | fraff oh and connection type being usb (it's an external hw-raid) |
| 09:56.40 | ginkgo | fraff will that slow things down significantly? |
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| 10:00.38 | nikio_ | why does my loxcale not change with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:00.42 | nikio_ | it stast en us |
| 10:00.48 | nikio_ | whatever I do |
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| 10:00.52 | nikio_ | ? |
| 10:01.11 | babilen | nikio_: Did you select other locales? |
| 10:01.46 | nikio_ | yes in the firsy opyion whatever i select and press enter |
| 10:01.59 | nikio_ | the second option always stays none or en_us |
| 10:02.42 | babilen | nikio_: That's the default locale. Which other locale did you enable and is it listed in /etc/locale.gen after you completed the process? |
| 10:03.15 | nikio_ | i enabled all locales |
| 10:03.23 | nikio_ | but locale gives en us |
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| 10:04.21 | babilen | So set a different locale for your user or change the default locale. Please also answer my question regarding /etc/locale.gen |
| 10:04.51 | nikio_ | babilen, en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 is the only uncommented local in that file |
| 10:05.04 | nikio_ | there is a ton of other locales commented |
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| 10:05.25 | nikio_ | babilen, how do i change the locale? i tried the dpkg method |
| 10:05.27 | nikio_ | but nothing happen |
| 10:05.40 | nikio_ | if i do dpkg-reconfigure locales, I only get the us option too after selecting all as the first option |
| 10:06.05 | Delphin | Trieste: DNS works for me sometimes when I try to nslookup www.google.com but not always |
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| 10:06.24 | babilen | nikio_: Then you did not enable all locales. Please repeat the process, make sure that [x] All locales is being ticked (use the space bar) and choose "Ok" |
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| 10:06.49 | nikio_ | ahhh space ba |
| 10:06.52 | nikio_ | i pressed ente |
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| 10:07.59 | babilen | nikio_: Enter simply continues (Ok is selected by default) -- The space bar is used in ncurses dialogues for toggling selections. |
| 10:08.09 | babilen | And are you sure that you really want *all* locales? |
| 10:08.13 | nikio_ | no |
| 10:08.26 | nikio_ | babilen, i dont know how it matters |
| 10:08.56 | babilen | nikio_: Most users don't speak/understand every conceivable language |
| 10:08.56 | nikio_ | i just wanted the dutch locale to be used for proper date format display in the evolution client when it is set to use the system locale |
| 10:09.45 | babilen | nikio_: You would typically use English as default locale (US or GB or ...), make sure that additional locales are generated and then set your preferred locale for your user. |
| 10:10.06 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/Locale has details on that. |
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| 10:11.05 | User | what bootloader works with f2fs? |
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| 10:12.01 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning at all * here is time to say it to be educsted! hehehe ! |
| 10:12.34 | nikio_ | babilen how do i change the user locale |
| 10:12.39 | nikio_ | what command? |
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| 10:13.06 | SOUL_OF_R00T | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:13.13 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ops |
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| 10:13.36 | SOUL_OF_R00T | try "dpkg-reconfigure locale" |
| 10:13.46 | babilen | nikio_: http://paste.debian.net/130514/ is what I have in ~/.bash_env (but you can use ~/.bash_profile or make sure that ~/.bash_env is sourced from there) |
| 10:14.38 | nikio_ | SOUL_OF_R00T, babilen i cant do dpkg- reconfigure locale as user |
| 10:14.41 | nikio_ | only as root |
| 10:14.47 | nikio_ | thus only my root locale changes |
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| 10:15.13 | babilen | nikio_: yes, you set it in your profile |
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| 10:16.05 | babilen | And I would still strongly recommend to *not* change the default locale. Most display managers (e.g. gdm3) also allow you to change the language when you login. I'd use that and make changes in your profile |
| 10:16.32 | nikio_ | babilen, i dont understand |
| 10:16.49 | nikio_ | i just want the right date format |
| 10:16.59 | nikio_ | i dont understand why u r recommending me not to do it |
| 10:17.12 | nikio_ | the volution client shows the date format the us way |
| 10:17.21 | babilen | nikio_: Yes, so set "LC_TIME='nl_NL.UTF8' in your profile |
| 10:17.44 | nikio_ | can i do it in the terminal? |
| 10:17.46 | babilen | I am recommending to set the locale specific to your user and not to change the system default |
| 10:17.55 | babilen | nikio_: yes, edit your profile |
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| 10:18.22 | nikio_ | do i use export? |
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| 10:18.51 | babilen | I have given a complete example earlier and it does indeed use export. |
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| 10:20.07 | nikio_ | babilen, thx i just wasnt sure because u mentioned some bash stuff |
| 10:20.09 | nikio_ | which confused me |
| 10:20.14 | babilen | How so? |
| 10:20.34 | nikio_ | the .bash bla files |
| 10:20.49 | nikio_ | i dont know what u wanted me to do with them |
| 10:21.07 | nikio_ | i understand doing export LC_TIME='nl_NL.UTF8' in the terminal |
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| 10:21.52 | jason1 | akar: ... |
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| 10:22.03 | wald0 | is not debian testing frozen right now? |
| 10:22.04 | babilen | Yes, but you would want that every time which is why you add it to the configuration files |
| 10:22.10 | babilen | wald0: it is, why? |
| 10:22.32 | wald0 | babilen: i dont see any news anywhere |
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| 10:22.48 | wald0 | but i remember to have read it somewhere, i even had a google-calendar notification about it |
| 10:23.14 | babilen | wald0: There was a mail do debian-devel-announce |
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| 10:23.30 | babilen | (Bits from the release team: Jessie Freeze) |
| 10:23.32 | wald0 | announce? mmh, maybe im not subscribed to this one |
| 10:23.35 | obounaim | hello is it to recommend to use lvm on VMware ESX hosted virtual machine? |
| 10:23.53 | wald0 | babilen: maybe it should be announced on debian.org imho? |
| 10:24.06 | babilen | wald0: Well, I have no means to check that, but you might want to subscribe to that one if you are interested in, well, announcements concerning the development of Debian |
| 10:24.20 | wald0 | this should convide users to start reportings bugs and testing everything asap so that we will have a magnificent stable version :) |
| 10:24.29 | babilen | wald0: Why? It is an internal process that is primarily of interest to maintainers |
| 10:24.33 | wald0 | if normal users are not notified... they will still using the system in the same way |
| 10:24.56 | babilen | They should report bugs just like they have before. The freeze does not change anything in that regard |
| 10:25.13 | wald0 | obounaim: why you need lvm on vmware ? vbox can expand (grow) disks iirc |
| 10:25.44 | wald0 | babilen: well, not in theory but "in the real world" it changes a lot in the users' behaviour |
| 10:25.47 | wald0 | for example |
| 10:26.02 | obounaim | I need lvm to expand disks |
| 10:26.08 | wald0 | users will report a lot more of bugs in a stable release than the beta versions (in generic software applications) |
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| 10:26.14 | nikio_ | babilen, ah i see |
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| 10:26.29 | nikio_ | so it doesnt save it when doing export? |
| 10:26.33 | nikio_ | thats bad |
| 10:26.37 | nikio_ | babilen, btw |
| 10:26.39 | nikio_ | http://i.imgur.com/5314tsJ.png |
| 10:26.46 | wald0 | because when they are released is WHEN they goes to use the stable version, but they dont use the beta before it is released |
| 10:26.51 | nikio_ | the date is still wronlgy formatted |
| 10:27.02 | nikio_ | in holland its day month year |
| 10:27.09 | nikio_ | not month day year |
| 10:27.20 | wald0 | obounaim: sorry my ignorance but, when you use lvm you need to "resize filesystem" too? |
| 10:28.49 | obounaim | wald0, yes i Know my question is : is it better/safer to use lvm to expend disks on a production VM on VMware ESX? |
| 10:29.39 | Walex2 | wald0: if you have resized the LV you need to resize the content too. Before if you shrink the LV, after if you enlarge the LV. |
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| 10:30.25 | Walex2 | obounaim: very funny question... also this is #Debian not #VMwareESX :-) |
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| 10:30.56 | Walex2 | nikio_: still fighting the regionalization battle? |
| 10:31.13 | nikio_ | yep Walex2 look http://i.imgur.com/5314tsJ.png |
| 10:31.26 | nikio_ | its still not dat month year |
| 10:31.34 | nikio_ | *day month year |
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| 10:32.38 | Walex2 | nikio_: locale -a | grep nl |
| 10:32.46 | babilen | nikio_: Did you relogin? |
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| 10:32.59 | babilen | (or start the programs you are referring to from within that shell) |
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| 10:33.15 | Walex2 | nikio_: or even 'locale -a | grep -v en_US' |
| 10:33.39 | nikio_ | no Walex2 |
| 10:33.42 | nikio_ | nl_NL.utf8 is there |
| 10:34.03 | Walex2 | nikio_: env LC_TIME=nl_NL.UTF-8 date |
| 10:34.23 | Walex2 | nikio_: if you have the French locale also try for comparison: env LC_TIME=fr_FR.UTF-8 date |
| 10:34.40 | babilen | nikio_: And you started nautilus from that terminal or performed a relogin? |
| 10:34.49 | nikio_ | babilen, i did rstart evolution |
| 10:35.07 | nikio_ | babilen, thats evolution |
| 10:35.12 | nikio_ | not nautilus |
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| 10:35.17 | nikio_ | and yes i did restart it |
| 10:35.25 | babilen | That won't do, you would have to either start it from within the terminal in which you changed your locale settings or completely relogin so that it changes globally |
| 10:35.43 | babilen | I am not referring to the programs themselves, but to your session |
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| 10:36.34 | Walex2 | nikio_: I have done 'env LC_TIME=nl_NL.UTF-8 date' and the result is "do nov 6 10:36:10 GMT 2014" |
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| 10:36.44 | babilen | Try running "nautilus" in the terminal in which you changed your locale and behold the effect |
| 10:37.20 | Walex2 | nikio_: obviously whoever wrote the 'nl_NL' locale has a different opinion than yours as to how to write dates in the Low Countries. |
| 10:37.31 | abailarri | Hello. I'm trying to redirect from www to non-www and from http to https. Now it works the https, but for the www I not get any result. Anyone can help me please? http://paste.debian.net/130515/ |
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| 10:38.15 | Walex2 | abailarri: #httpd is a better channel |
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| 10:38.54 | abailarri | Walex2, thanks |
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| 10:39.57 | nikio_ | Walex2, babilen http://i.imgur.com/jxw8Egt.png |
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| 10:40.35 | wald0 | ok so, testing is frozen... |
| 10:40.43 | wald0 | i should expect a stable in 4-5 months ? :) |
| 10:40.58 | nikio_ | babilen, your method helped |
| 10:41.00 | Walex2 | nikio_: is your issue with the way dates are written or with Nautilus not writing them in Low Countries locale? |
| 10:41.00 | wald0 | (yeah yeah, now everybody says that there's no timelines and stuff, i know that) |
| 10:41.14 | nikio_ | Walex2, nautlius wrote them correct |
| 10:41.17 | nikio_ | you dont see? |
| 10:41.18 | Walex2 | wald0: you can expect a new stable for 1 year ago... |
| 10:41.21 | nikio_ | day month year |
| 10:41.22 | wald0 | i mean, purely speculative and imaginary, non-real timeline, 4-5 months maybe? |
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| 10:41.52 | nikio_ | babilen, evolution now also dosplays them correct when launched from the terminal with that locale set |
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| 10:42.19 | nikio_ | although after i chose use locale default and reopen evolution it says %ad %H:%M |
| 10:42.28 | nikio_ | instead of use locale default |
| 10:42.41 | nikio_ | but it still displays it in correct format |
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| 10:43.03 | nikio_ | thanks |
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| 10:43.44 | babilen | nikio_: So, relogin and it should be sorted |
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| 10:44.01 | wald0 | Walex2: the next stable will be old? yeah well, not more than wheezy now :) |
| 10:44.24 | wald0 | so how much months aprox. you* think that will debian need? |
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| 10:44.31 | wald0 | thinks that 4-5 |
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| 10:47.08 | nikio_ | babilen, you mean first create .bash_env with export LC_TIME='nl_NL.UTF8' inside it |
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| 10:47.22 | nikio_ | in my Home folder |
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| 10:47.28 | nikio_ | home/Home |
| 10:47.37 | nikio_ | or it wont work |
| 10:47.41 | nikio_ | right? |
| 10:47.49 | wald0 | you guys are cowards to not expeculate a timeline just a bit :) |
| 10:47.59 | wald0 | j/k, no ofense |
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| 10:48.12 | babilen | nikio_: No, don't use ~/.bash_env (it is not a default file), but ~/.bash_profile. I simply use ~/.bash_env and source that file from the default ones as I like that structure, but it wouldn't work by default. I think that I mentioned that earlier. |
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| 10:49.03 | nikio_ | babilen, just got confused what that meansn |
| 10:49.11 | nikio_ | 'sourcing the file' |
| 10:49.13 | babilen | Disregard ~/.bash_env |
| 10:49.36 | nikio_ | ok |
| 10:49.43 | Walex | nikio_: nikio_ the screenshot you posted shows dates in *english* as far as I can tell |
| 10:49.56 | babilen | nikio_: It means to use a statement such as "source $HOME/.bash_env" in ~/.bash_profile which will include the "sourced" file in the one with that statement |
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| 10:50.14 | nikio_ | http://i.imgur.com/jxw8Egt.png shows day month year |
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| 10:50.25 | nikio_ | Walex, thats the dutch format |
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| 10:50.34 | nikio_ | us uses month day year |
| 10:50.38 | nikio_ | *US |
| 10:50.49 | nikio_ | babilen, ahhh i see |
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| 10:51.52 | nikio_ | Walex, im talking about the format |
| 10:51.58 | nikio_ | not the language |
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| 10:53.03 | Walex | nikio_: I suspect that you know better again :-) |
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| 10:53.47 | nikio_ | Walex, what do you mean? its the dutch format, as I wanted it : ) I also prefer english to be used as the language |
| 10:53.52 | nikio_ | im not sure what you mean |
| 10:53.56 | nikio_ | its fine now |
| 10:54.02 | nikio_ | thanks to you both for the help |
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| 11:02.59 | Alex-Devops | Hi, guys. I'm looking for best practices for apt caching system. I installed squid-deb-proxy, and by default it caches deb packages with pattern 129600 100% 129600 - so it keeps it only 1,5 days, and it doesn't cache any of (Packages|Sources)(.bz2|.gz) and Release.gpg. How do you think - is's normal behaviour? As for me, I would make caching of deb packages forever and Package|Sources bz2|gz and Release.gpg for 24 hours |
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| 11:07.30 | ChrisH | Alex-Devops: I have not compared them but apt-cacher-ng works very well for me. It needs some additional work if used with debmultimedia from time to time. The pro is, it can be simply used as proxy on the client side and you can cache also ubuntu or other based on debian stuff. |
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| 11:09.30 | ChrisH | What are the keywords/packages for process resource management on Debian? |
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| 11:11.47 | Alex-Devops | ChrisH: I used apt-cacher-ng, but it crashes every day and I spent a week trying to find out why. After I installed squid-deb-proxy, the question is just about best practices in tuning |
| 11:12.58 | ChrisH | Alex-Devops: crash means, the process stopps or starts eating up once CPU? (Just to compare to my expieriences) |
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| 11:15.19 | Alex-Devops | ChrisH: just stops. I even did a little script monitoring open files by apt-cacher-ng. And today at 10 morning after 1090 open files - zero and process died. In log file even with debug there is nothing |
| 11:16.06 | fraff | Alex-Devops: approx works fine for me |
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| 11:16.34 | ChrisH | Alex-Devops: thats something I did not observed with any running instance... this is a freshly started one :) 108 3660 1 0 Aug28 ? 00:18:04 /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng -c /e |
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| 11:17.12 | ChrisH | another one: 107 18582 1 0 May26 ? 01:04:38 /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng |
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| 11:20.36 | Alex-Devops | fraff: thanks, i will google for it |
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| 11:20.52 | Alex-Devops | but my question generally was about best practices for tuning - what to keep and for how long |
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| 11:21.25 | Walex | nikio_: "dutch format" "prefer english to be used as the language |
| 11:21.51 | Walex | nikio_: "dutch format" "prefer english to be used as the language" perhaps don't work the way you think they work... |
| 11:22.08 | Walex | nikio_: but since you are happy with what you got, good. |
| 11:23.17 | nikio_ | Walex, that sentece doesnt make sense |
| 11:23.46 | fraff | Alex-Devops: ha, sorry, I don't know then, but I know 1,5 day is too short ... thanks for asking, I found some .deb cached since 2011, got to clean something here :) |
| 11:24.43 | Alex-Devops | fraff: ))) |
| 11:25.05 | ginkgo | fraff fsck finished and found no errors (don't know why it was so fast, but who am I to complain right?! ;)) |
| 11:26.02 | fraff | ginkgo: I'm very surprised |
| 11:26.17 | ginkgo | me too |
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| 11:29.11 | ginkgo | fraff www.postimg.org/image/fw3yv3win |
| 11:30.00 | Dr_Coke | anybody got a problem with their junk |
| 11:30.10 | ginkgo | fraff or http://postimg.org/image/fw3yv3win |
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| 11:31.43 | fraff | ginkgo: did you take a photo of your screen ? |
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| 11:41.55 | jason1 | The question is how can I detect the patchwork. |
| 11:42.18 | jason1 | In the matrix it was something like dejavu or a glitch. |
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| 11:42.36 | jason1 | So if my mind is operating inside a VM |
| 11:43.08 | jason1 | the system would need to implant mamories to crossover from the VM to the other world |
| 11:45.11 | jason1 | two sub realities |
| 11:45.45 | jason1 | there has to be a state of lowered awarness |
| 11:45.58 | jason1 | most likely during sleep |
| 11:46.13 | jason1 | this is where the sytem needs to do the inception |
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| 11:46.56 | jason1 | it is those that are awakened in sleep |
| 11:47.09 | jason1 | I feel so in the middle |
| 11:47.51 | jason1 | The war becomes what some might term emotional |
| 11:48.09 | jason1 | What happens when a cpu operates on flawed logic |
| 11:48.59 | jason1 | I want to increase the training intensity. |
| 11:49.04 | Brigo | jason1, wrong channel? |
| 11:50.19 | jason1 | The branch predictors in the CPU core. |
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| 11:50.52 | jason1 | quantum calculations |
| 11:51.39 | jason1 | I guess schrodingers can doesn't want to use quantal. |
| 11:51.58 | jason1 | Coincidence has meaning. |
| 11:54.10 | rgr | jason1: please stop pressing return every three words. It makes you rants unreadable. |
| 11:54.49 | Trieste | is dpms enabled by default on squeeze? |
| 11:56.02 | jason1 | rgr: It's a military countermeasure |
| 11:56.06 | ginkgo | fraff yes i did :D |
| 11:56.17 | rgr | you're clearly an idiot. |
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| 11:57.35 | jason1 | I need to recompile the system. |
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| 11:58.05 | jason1 | Post a link to debian 4 + source |
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| 12:01.00 | jason1 | Is there a torrent somwhere of debian4 with source? |
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| 12:05.11 | Brigo | jason1, yes, search in debian.org |
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| 12:08.15 | Psy-Q | where do you report bugs for packages that came from security? i can only find trackers for testing, stable, etc. |
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| 12:11.54 | Brigo | Psy-Q, i think you report bugs againts packages, no versions. If you have it installed, use bugreport (or reportbug, i allways doubt) |
| 12:12.10 | rgr | you probably just raise the bugs for your distro. they then decide if its relevant to go into security updates. |
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| 12:24.27 | Psy-Q | ah, alright |
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| 12:24.51 | Psy-Q | the issue is that the newest php security update changed behavior of PHP, it seems, at least of the ODBC module |
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| 12:25.03 | Psy-Q | and i can't seem to check whether the issues are already reported |
| 12:26.45 | jason1 | I can't find it. |
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| 12:27.01 | jason1 | Partially due to bad connection. |
| 12:27.05 | Psy-Q | for example, a "select * from foo;" results in truncated data, whereas "select id from foo;" works, and we don't know if that's a bug in the new php that came through security or something else |
| 12:27.23 | jason1 | Find the debian 4 source cd |
| 12:28.30 | jason1 | The connection keeps dropping out. |
| 12:28.43 | jason1 | Theres too many hackers. |
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| 12:29.00 | jason1 | My guess is that they sit there and wireshark everything. |
| 12:29.17 | jason1 | So everytime theres an ssl connection they want to reauth attack. |
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| 12:30.10 | Honit | hi |
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| 12:30.31 | jason1 | hi |
| 12:30.55 | Psy-Q | hi! |
| 12:31.01 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hi |
| 12:31.06 | jason1 | Someone deploy a wire |
| 12:31.08 | Honit | How can i know if certain hardware runs on an particular kernel |
| 12:31.51 | jason1 | I can hardly use a search engine. |
| 12:32.14 | SOUL_OF_R00T | you can take a look in conf of the kernel in some cases if it is builded with config.gz or some like it |
| 12:32.15 | Honit | version, i'm trying to find if my old hdd dock works on kernel 2.6 |
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| 12:32.28 | jason1 | The 3g doesnt maintain connection. |
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| 12:33.44 | Honit | SOUL_OF_R00T: thank you |
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| 12:34.46 | jason1 | Its cdma. |
| 12:34.48 | jason1 | So that means the smoke detectors deployed drones. |
| 12:34.51 | Psy-Q | Honit: what kind of dock is it? if it's USB1 it should work, if it's USB2 perhaps |
| 12:35.53 | Honit | worse usb3.0 |
| 12:36.20 | Psy-Q | Honit: you will probably get only usb 2 out of that |
| 12:36.50 | Honit | i dont actually want to install something 4 years old thats why i asked |
| 12:36.51 | cloudowind | 2 f 3 is not that bad at all |
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| 12:37.06 | Psy-Q | Honit: there are some 2.6 kernels with support for most modern hardware, though, such as the OpenVZ kernels released for redhat. they have versions for debian, too. the goal is to port OpenVZ virtualization, but a side effect is that they backported lots of drivers from the 3.x series |
| 12:37.07 | Honit | thats fine aslong as it's recognised |
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| 12:37.15 | Psy-Q | Honit: yeah, you'll get 2.0 or at the very worst case 1.0 |
| 12:37.40 | cloudowind | whats openvz kernel means |
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| 12:38.22 | Psy-Q | cloudowind: openvz is a container system (like solaris zones). it's what virtuozzo is based on. and there are people porting new kernel features to the 2.6 kernel for it |
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| 12:38.43 | Psy-Q | so i presume that not every 2.6 kernel is equal, some have a lot of hardware support despite having a 2.6 version number |
| 12:39.02 | jason1 | No debian 4? |
| 12:39.08 | cloudowind | i see, thank you mate |
| 12:39.17 | Psy-Q | jason1: why would you need debian 4? |
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| 12:39.50 | Psy-Q | jason1: anyhow, isn't it here? https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 12:40.02 | cloudowind | but adding the newest kernel features to 2.6 wont make the 2.6 newest kernel already?:) |
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| 12:40.59 | Psy-Q | cloudowind: i don't think they can port everything, but they port stuff :) |
| 12:41.12 | Psy-Q | there's a guy from the OpenVZ project who explains it, let me see. there's a video |
| 12:41.28 | jason1 | Are you just going to keep babbling nonsense? |
| 12:41.28 | jason1 | The police are militarizing. |
| 12:41.31 | cloudowind | thanks a lot Psy-Q |
| 12:41.33 | critias | I got wheezy running with apache 2.2. should I upgrade to 2.4? |
| 12:41.42 | Psy-Q | is jason1 a bot? |
| 12:42.00 | jelly | jason1: this is a tech support channel. Please keep chatter down, and stick to tech support questions about Debian. |
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| 12:47.38 | Honit | Psy-Q: thanks for the info |
| 12:47.54 | Honit | i'll keep looking |
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| 12:50.41 | Psy-Q | Honit: no prob. i'm reasonably sure you'll get usb2, but can't guarantee without knowing the kernel and the hardware |
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| 12:51.04 | fraff | ginkgo: next time, try "import" (package imagemagick) :) |
| 12:52.01 | Honit | Psy-Q:it's more general than just debian mind if i pm? |
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| 12:55.04 | Psy-Q | Honit: sure, i just might sneak off from time to time doing other stuff, but i can try to answer |
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| 13:04.16 | tinkeRR | I want to use Gnome 3.14, is this possible now in Debian testing? |
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| 13:04.58 | bezaban | ,v gnome |
| 13:04.59 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; sid: 1:3.8+8; jessie: 1:3.8+8 |
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| 13:05.22 | tinkeRR | :( |
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| 13:05.45 | oxodesign | has anyone installed OrientDB on a debian server? |
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| 13:11.47 | oxodesign | getting this error when Im trying to build OrientDB from source with ANT: Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/lib/tools.jar |
| 13:12.17 | oxodesign | following this tutorial: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-orientdb-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps |
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| 13:13.37 | ChrisH | openjdk-7-jdk: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/lib/tools.jar |
| 13:13.54 | ChrisH | is that package installed? oxodesign ? |
| 13:14.19 | oxodesign | yes i installed openjdk |
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| 13:14.45 | ChrisH | oxodesign: and are the alternatives set properly? eg. check ls /etc/alternatives/*java* |
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| 13:15.43 | oxodesign | yes but it looks like it prefers version 6! |
| 13:16.38 | ChrisH | Sadly Sun Java 6 and Java 7 are not completly compatible in real life. BTW, check stuff like JAVA_HOME |
| 13:17.05 | oxodesign | I run this cmd update-alternatives --get-selections | grep ^java |
| 13:17.37 | oxodesign | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JW1ljPkM |
| 13:18.20 | oxodesign | everything but java points to java-7, how can I change this? or do I have to uninstall java-6-openjdk? |
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| 13:19.52 | g00se | You've got a 6 runtime but have installed the jdk too |
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| 13:20.26 | ChrisH | oxodesign: did you check using ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/lib/tools.jar if its there? |
| 13:21.14 | g00se | Ant expects ${JAVA_HOME} to be a jdk one, not a jre one, so set it to your jdk 7 |
| 13:21.33 | oxodesign | ChrisH: I uninstalled java-6 and now it seems to work. thanks |
| 13:21.46 | g00se | (the jre doesn't _have_ tools.jar) |
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| 13:33.39 | rghose | why does "*/1 * * * *" in crontab not work for debian ? seems to work for "* * * * *", even though both seem to be the same |
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| 13:35.29 | rgr | I can confidently say "crontab works". |
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| 13:37.42 | freebsd1 | so can I install debian with all partitions zfs with the latest stable? |
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| 13:41.53 | Brigo | freebsd1, if the kernel supports it, yes. Jessis uses 3.16-3 |
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| 13:42.19 | freebsd1 | Brigo, so wheezy net installer offers that possiblity? |
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| 13:45.38 | onorua | Have anyone configured ipv6 static connection over vlan? I need to have ipv4 and ipv6 on the same VLAN interface |
| 13:46.04 | Brigo | freebsd1, i do not know, it depends on kernel support for zfs. I do no know if zfs is supported. |
| 13:46.24 | freebsd1 | man wtf |
| 13:46.48 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to run scp to transfer a file from my home computer to this computer. unfortunately, the file in question has spaces and a hyphen in its name. If I do me@server:/foo/bar/file\ \-\ name.ext, it complains about the hyphen and says the file "-" does not exist. If I quote the whole thing, it stops after "/file". How do I escape this??? |
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| 13:47.37 | thalos | dizzylizzy, Use "" in the patch |
| 13:47.40 | thalos | *path |
| 13:47.53 | thalos | like: user@server:"/strange\ /path" |
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| 13:47.58 | bw_ | or let the shell escape it for you, using tab ;) |
| 13:48.00 | dizzylizzy | quotes AND escapes |
| 13:48.00 | dizzylizzy | okay |
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| 13:48.25 | dizzylizzy | this is why I develop weird naming conventions, it's to avoid stuff like this |
| 13:48.32 | dizzylizzy | teachers so rarely have to manipulate files from the command line |
| 13:49.32 | dizzylizzy | magic, thank you thalos |
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| 13:49.37 | dizzylizzy | bw_: tab was magic |
| 13:49.46 | dizzylizzy | EVERYTHING IS MAGIC |
| 13:50.09 | thalos | dizzylizzy: np |
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| 13:55.01 | andyjpb | hi peeps. I've just upgraded my squeeze-lts machine to openssl-0.9.8o-4squeeze18 |
| 13:55.05 | andyjpb | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.8o-4squeeze18_changelog |
| 13:55.31 | andyjpb | suggests that TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV is supported but after restarting apache it doesn't seem to advertise support for it |
| 13:55.34 | andyjpb | any ideas? |
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| 14:03.59 | jelly | andyjpb: stupid question -- did you upgrade libssl0.9.8 package? |
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| 14:12.22 | wjtaylor | Where is caffiene for deb? |
| 14:13.08 | andyjpb | ah. I see. it supports. TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV but there are other POODLE issues still |
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| 14:13.20 | andyjpb | jelly: I did |
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| 14:20.43 | JyZyXEL | what. the.... |
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| 14:21.29 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: confirmed with Jessie here |
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| 14:21.52 | jelly | wjtaylor: are you sure that's the correct spelling for your software? |
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| 14:25.59 | petn-randall | !tell Ox17 about details |
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| 14:28.15 | Ox17 | petn-randall: yeah thanks it would be better to give more information.. But actually I solved it, forgot to command iptables-save . (: |
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| 14:30.59 | DoctorD90 | hello guys :D i have a little issue. I have this pc: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&docname=c01944894 and i would use that function on derivatd version of debian. i have found out this: https://www.ebower.com/docs/ubuntu-touchsmart/#ambient-light , but i dont understand the thing about ID and write 65 byte long packet (and other related line). Can someone help me to understand? |
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| 14:32.14 | mtn | DoctorD90: are you saying you are using something other than debian? |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | DoctorD90: why wouldnt' you ask the channel for your distro? |
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| 14:32.39 | dD_ | My MySQL server went down and nothing happens when I try to bring it back up. If I try running it through /etc/init.d/ or service mysql start I get no messages. What can I do? |
| 14:32.59 | DoctorD90 | mtn im using a distro based on debian. abrotman latest time that i ask a debian related question, and not inherent to that distro, someone ban me :/ |
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| 14:33.30 | mtn | DoctorD90: only debian is supported in this channel. you need to go to your own distros channel for help. |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | DoctorD90: Right, ask the channel for your distro, this isnot a general Linux help channel (or try ##linux) |
| 14:33.41 | DoctorD90 | im using a distro based on debian on pc of link, and i would use function there descripted :) |
| 14:33.43 | boblee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.59 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 14:34.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 14:34.08 | DoctorD90 | ah...linu is better?? ah ok :D thx :D |
| 14:34.39 | ChrisH | dD_: are there still mysql process running? check ps -efl | grep mysql |
| 14:35.06 | DoctorD90 | yes yes dpkg ;D but last time i ask where i have to looking for some files, someone ban me with reason "is not related to our distro, it is a general debian question" |
| 14:35.19 | DoctorD90 | and ban was long 1year and half :P |
| 14:35.24 | mtn | heh |
| 14:35.35 | dD_ | ChrisH, None. |
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| 14:35.42 | ompaul | DoctorD90: if it was debian then it would be called debian - something is different doesn't matter what that is |
| 14:35.50 | DoctorD90 | but thx :D i will go to linux :D because i dont know very well how to interprete that line of guide :) |
| 14:35.58 | Brigo | DoctorD90, they banned you for asking? |
| 14:36.15 | DoctorD90 | brigo, hehe....that happend..... |
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| 14:36.25 | abrotman | It' snot a Debian question, please take it elsewhere |
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| 14:37.02 | DoctorD90 | yep abrotman :) i have understand :D and thx for reference to rigth place ^^ |
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| 14:37.20 | VY0WQX | Hello, I am trying to execute a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade command in the terminal and every time I get this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gsettings-desktop-schemas : Breaks: gnome-settings-daemon (< 3.10.0) but 3.8.5-2 is to be installed ...... Would anyone know how to alleviate this? |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | VY0WQX: aptitude update first |
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| 14:37.49 | VY0WQX | I already executed that. |
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| 14:38.29 | ompaul | VY0WQX: apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon apt-cache policy outputs to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | should do an update first |
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| 14:39.02 | VY0WQX | I can run an update before running those previously posted commands. |
| 14:39.03 | ChrisH | dD_: you could try bash -xv /etc/init.d/mysql start and put the output onto paste.debian.net |
| 14:39.18 | ompaul | VY0WQX: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -d |
| 14:39.27 | ompaul | VY0WQX: it will download everthing it can |
| 14:39.30 | ompaul | but not install it |
| 14:39.47 | dD_ | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/Rz6A1g5F |
| 14:40.22 | ChrisH | dD_: Please use paste.debian.net |
| 14:40.23 | ompaul | dD_: please be aware that pastebin.com uses spam and captchas |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | someoen is mixing versions of Debian .. |
| 14:41.33 | dD_ | ChrisH, Sorry, was completely unaware. http://paste.debian.net/130547/ |
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| 14:42.30 | VY0WQX | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/130549/ |
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| 14:43.25 | ChrisH | dD_: show us ls -ld /usr/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 14:43.34 | ompaul | VY0WQX: that is a mint distribution please do this message the bot with /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 14:43.46 | dD_ | ChrisH, ls: cannot access /usr/bin/mysqld_safe: No such file or directory |
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| 14:46.48 | VY0WQX | ompaul: What would you suggest at this particular point in time? |
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| 14:47.15 | ChrisH | dD_: thats the reason, check if this package is installed mysql-server-5.5: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 14:48.02 | dD_ | ChrisH, how could that happen from one second to the next? Everything was running fine. |
| 14:48.14 | dD_ | ChrisH, and I didn't upgrade, and haven't logged into the server |
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| 14:48.29 | dD_ | ChrisH, that did it. |
| 14:49.53 | ChrisH | dD_: now its time to check apt-logfiles and find out who was logged in the past days/hours.... |
| 14:49.57 | ompaul | VY0WQX: go to a mint channel |
| 14:50.50 | VY0WQX | ompaul: I will give it a shot again...thank you for your help as it is appreciated! |
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| 14:53.46 | dD_ | ChrisH, /var/log/history.log? the only thing that shows is this recent installation |
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| 14:56.26 | Burps | Hi. I used to use ulogd to log my iptables rules, now trying to setup ipv6, which ulogd/wheezy doesn't support : Just a confirmation : nflog is the norm now, right ? |
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| 14:58.51 | oxodesign | hi again, still trying to get orientdb installed on my debian VPS. Found this tutorial (http://www.famvdploeg.com/blog/2013/01/setting-up-an-orientdb-server-on-ubuntu/) on how to install on Ubuntu but Im having problems with this line of code: sudo -u $ORIENTDB_USER sh -c "cd \"$ORIENTDB_DIR/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log |
| 14:58.51 | oxodesign | 2>../log/orientdb.err &" |
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| 14:59.12 | oxodesign | what to use instead fo sudo? |
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| 14:59.40 | ChrisH | oxodesign: su - $ORIENTDB_USER and then run the stuff |
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| 15:00.19 | oxodesign | ChrisH: so I have to remove the "u"? |
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| 15:01.40 | fraff | oxodesign: why don't you just apt-get install sudo ? |
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| 15:01.57 | ChrisH | oxodesign: man su and check for -c option |
| 15:02.57 | ChrisH | oxodesign: does it run manually before you start it using such long lines of code. It seems you did not understand the line, so running iut manuelly piece-by-piece to understand it might make sense. |
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| 15:03.31 | oxodesign | ChrisH: |
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| 15:03.55 | oxodesign | No didnt run manually |
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| 15:06.33 | oxodesign | ChrisH: but I run the server.sh and that works fine, the server works, im trying to use orientdb.sh to run as a service |
| 15:06.40 | mic_e | huh... for some reason my notebook's powerbutton appears to be completely unhandled by debian... |
| 15:06.45 | mic_e | as in: I press it, the system is instant-off |
| 15:06.52 | mic_e | without unmounting anything... |
| 15:07.00 | mic_e | I'm manuall starting X via startx |
| 15:07.14 | mic_e | also I'm on sid, so everything is systemd |
| 15:07.26 | mic_e | any hints? |
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| 15:07.41 | ChrisH | !enter |
| 15:07.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:08.16 | Agd | how much ram does debian with xfce uses at start-up? |
| 15:08.23 | mtn | mic_e: maybe I misunderstand your statement, but every computer I have used goes off immediately after the power button is pushed. |
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| 15:09.21 | mic_e | ChrisH: sorry. I assumed that a wall of text would be harder to read than multiple lines. |
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| 15:09.45 | mtn | mic_e: full sentences are always easier to read than multiple lines ;) |
| 15:09.49 | rghose | crons not working for root user, I have this in my crontab file for root: "* * * * * /my/script.sh", it works once and then stops works altogether |
| 15:09.56 | rghose | any ideas why that might happen / |
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| 15:10.45 | mic_e | mtn: all computers I've used so far went to standby, displayed a nice GUI window, or did nothing when the powerbutton was used. well, FreeDOS might be an exception. |
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| 15:11.07 | rghose | I add the crons via /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
| 15:11.10 | Burps | nflog doesn't seem to be in the repos for Wheezy : hey : people using IPv6, what are you using as target to log your iptables DROP/LOG ? |
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| 15:11.14 | mtn | mic_e: huh. never seen that behaviour |
| 15:11.15 | wols_ | mtn: that was true (pc going of when pressing button) in the early nineties. since we have ATX this isn't true anymore |
| 15:11.38 | mtn | wols_: odd, mine still goes off when the power is turned off :P |
| 15:11.38 | ChrisH | rghose: manually added them? is not the recommendes way. usr crontab -e to edit them |
| 15:11.44 | wols_ | now, a PC can shut down when you press the button, but not simply directly powering off |
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| 15:11.58 | wols_ | mtn: pressing this button doesn't turn the power off either |
| 15:12.05 | mic_e | it is as if debian doesn't even install an interrupt handler for that ACPI event, and the 'poweroff' is directly handled by the BIOS |
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| 15:12.12 | afsal | i accendently deleted apache2 from /etc/init.d/ directory. So now I can't use 'sevice apache2 start'. what I do. plz help me |
| 15:12.15 | mtn | wols_: still very odd. it does on everyone of my computers |
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| 15:12.33 | jhutchins | afsal: Reinstall? |
| 15:12.48 | mtn | wols_: are we confusing press and hold versus just press or something like that? |
| 15:12.52 | wols_ | mtn: then you need to check your hardware. maybe you have 20 year old PCs. ATX computer cannot power off directly. can. not. |
| 15:12.52 | Dagger | Burps: ulogd2, but you'll have to compile it yourself from jessie |
| 15:12.56 | mtn | confusing/comparing |
| 15:13.22 | mic_e | afsal: use apt-file search to find out which package the file was in, then re-install that package. |
| 15:13.25 | Dagger | Burps: wheezy has ulogd (1.x) but I think there was some problem with that |
| 15:13.40 | wols_ | mic_e: instant off as in "remove plug from wall" off or "going to runlevel 6" kind of off? |
| 15:13.41 | rghose | ChrisH:I want to automate this addition |
| 15:13.43 | jhutchins | mtn: The power button on ATX systems just sends a signal to the BIOS. |
| 15:13.48 | rghose | where should this be added for this to work ? |
| 15:13.54 | oxodesign | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/L4vLlF72 |
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| 15:14.13 | oxodesign | ChrisH: any help? |
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| 15:14.23 | mic_e | wols_: there's no message in the syslog at all. the last message before the "booting up" message is something about a DHCP renewal. so I assume it's instant off as in "remove plug". |
| 15:14.32 | ChrisH | rghose: thats a bit more difficult on debian... check /etc/cron.d/ |
| 15:14.49 | oxodesign | Here is my orientdb.sh file (se above), when I run nothing happens but the server does not start, if I run server.sh everything works fine! |
| 15:14.55 | wols_ | mic_e: if it's instant off, you will have a fsck run on bootup to restore the filesystem journal. should be noticeable |
| 15:15.03 | afsal | jhutchins: is it need reboot system? |
| 15:15.08 | rghose | it works the first time I copy the file to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root and then just stops working |
| 15:15.43 | afsal | jhutchins: because can't find apache2 in /etc/init.d after reinstalling.. |
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| 15:16.35 | ChrisH | oxodesign: I have ideas, but I cannot edit that pastebin as on paste.debian.net su $ORIENTDB_USER -c "cd \"$ORIENTDB_DIR/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &" <<-- replace the outer " with ' |
| 15:17.14 | Agd | ChrisH; are you christopher? |
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| 15:17.30 | mic_e | wols_: I didn't notice that, but it happend so fast there's no way all filesystems were cleanly unmounted... |
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| 15:18.04 | ChrisH | Agd: no |
| 15:18.11 | mic_e | oh wait, the syslog says (right after reboot) systemd-fsck[174]: /dev/sda3: clean, 119030/1222992 files, 1182729/4882432 blocks |
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| 15:19.20 | jhutchins | afsal: Which release? |
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| 15:19.31 | oxodesign | ChrisH: here then: paste.debian.net/130559 |
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| 15:19.47 | mic_e | do I need to install some notebook-specific ACPI package, maybe? |
| 15:19.49 | afsal | jhutchins: wheezy |
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| 15:20.06 | Dllbrt | seems like debian did a little update of the gnome desktop today. It stinks |
| 15:20.24 | afsal | jhutchins: wheezy 7.7 |
| 15:20.32 | Dllbrt | 6.x |
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| 15:21.11 | wols_ | mic_e: which notebook? |
| 15:21.40 | afsal | jhutchins: Actually I'm accedently deleted 'apache2' service using 'update-rc.d' |
| 15:21.52 | mtn | Dllbrt: did you by any chance upgrade to wheezy (7)? |
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| 15:22.17 | oxodesign | ChrisH: i did replace the outer " with ' but still nothing! |
| 15:22.23 | illy | any debian packages for better security? |
| 15:22.24 | Dllbrt | I tried once on this system and hated it, hated the gnome 3 |
| 15:22.25 | mic_e | wols_: 5-year old intel |
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| 15:22.32 | illy | im trying/learning to "harden" a system |
| 15:22.48 | Uber-Ich | Can I upgrade a kernel from i486 to i686-pae, or does the original system need to be i686? |
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| 15:23.14 | illy | i dont think it matter Uber-Ich , as long as the hardware supports it(?) |
| 15:23.26 | wols_ | mic_e: this is a useless information |
| 15:23.30 | wols_ | mic_e: and wrong too |
| 15:23.34 | Uber-Ich | illy: thanks! |
| 15:23.35 | cummingsson | I have this thing... I am trying usermod -l newlogin oldlogin, but it says process is in use. So basically I need to change the username on the user I am currently using |
| 15:23.50 | cummingsson | because it is an ssh connection and I only have root and the user |
| 15:24.15 | jhutchins | afsal: update-rc.d doesn't delete the init script, it just changes the links in the runlevel directories (rc2.d). |
| 15:24.31 | mic_e | wols_: maybe this is more useful http://pastebin.com/58WRc5R7 |
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| 15:25.11 | Dllbrt | mtn, I was very happy with deb up thru 6.0.8, but the hardware detection in 6.0.10 and 7 wasn't so good for my older system either. But gnome 3 and kde 4 are deal breakers |
| 15:25.27 | wols_ | mic_e: just as useless. what laptop is it? it has a brand, a model. etc. |
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| 15:27.05 | mic_e | oh, that. I just assumed that all proper intel notebooks of that generation show about the same characteristics. it's an acer (tm) travelmate (tm) 8371 with 4 gigs of RAM, a 3g modem, an intel u9400 and an intel x-25m disk |
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| 15:28.15 | wols_ | those should normally work. http://www.linlap.com/acer_travelmate_8371 for example |
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| 15:29.56 | mic_e | wols_: yeah, I've used it with all sorts of flavours of linux and this is the first time I encounter this issue. |
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| 15:31.22 | wols_ | mic_e: run tasksel and install the "laptop" task |
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| 15:40.03 | ChrisH | oxodesign: test using bash -xv $script start |
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| 15:42.26 | illy | is there any websites with posted exploits & a way to fix them? |
| 15:42.41 | illy | just found out debsecan and almost got a heart attack :D |
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| 15:45.53 | LordDeath | are the packages from wheezy-backports coming from wheezy or do they come directly from sid? |
| 15:46.33 | LordDeath | I am asking because I am unsure about future owncloud updates now after the jessie freeze |
| 15:47.03 | LordDeath | I meant "coming from Jessie..." |
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| 15:48.52 | babilen | LordDeath: They are backported from testing |
| 15:49.34 | fraff | dpkg: tell illy about security |
| 15:49.42 | mic_e | wols_: now acpi_listen shows lidclose events, but shutdown still insta-kills the system. |
| 15:49.59 | mic_e | s/shutdown/the poweroff button/ |
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| 15:50.54 | illy | is there any websites with posted exploits & a way to fix them? |
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| 16:01.49 | Guest94202 | is testing already using jessie? |
| 16:02.20 | Bartleby | Is this a trick question? |
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| 16:02.29 | boblee | ^ yes |
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| 16:02.51 | boblee | however trick or treat is over Guest94202 |
| 16:02.52 | Guest94202 | i need to update glibc and on some sites there is the recommendation to go with an sid experimental repo which provides the updated version of glibc? but isnt sid an older debian version? |
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| 16:03.36 | Guest94202 | Bartleby: y u think its an trickquestion? |
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| 16:04.03 | Guest94202 | are you using testing? |
| 16:05.03 | boblee | !tell Guest94202 about jessie |
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| 16:06.38 | Bartleby | Testing is currently Jessie |
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| 16:07.16 | Guest94202 | is testing in general recommended to use? |
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| 16:07.39 | Guest94202 | or does things often break there |
| 16:07.45 | Bartleby | It's recommended more than sid, but less than stable. |
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| 16:08.43 | mic_e | wols_: huh... so it was a systemd issue after all... I set the shutdown button action to ignore in logind.conf and now the insta-shutdown doesn't happen anymore |
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| 16:09.16 | mic_e | but why the hell would my systemd insta-shutdown the system... |
| 16:09.26 | Bartleby | The repositories are organized into "Experimental (unstable/sid) (testing/currently Jessie) (stable/ currently Wheezy) and (old_stable/ currently squeeze) |
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| 16:09.50 | boblee | !help |
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| 16:11.13 | jelly | Guest94202: both testing and unstable(sid) are not suitable for inexperienced users |
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| 16:12.04 | veek | guys what's the OS supported method for determining mime-types and what program to invoke.. (file -i foo) |
| 16:12.22 | jelly | Guest94202: 99% times you think you need to update glibc, you're not using a supported platform for the software built that way |
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| 16:12.34 | saro_ | i. was confuse about the dependence of xfce and kde |
| 16:12.34 | veek | or, is there some standard way to determine what program should be invoked to build/run a particular file |
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| 16:13.41 | lord_rob | What tool should I use to backup a whole partition (damaged) ? |
| 16:14.01 | Guest94202 | jelly: who are defined as inexperienced users? -yes, thats probably true. |
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| 16:14.34 | Bartleby | I think a good way to say it is, if not using stable, user problems are not generally treated by the community as world-shattering events, and while they are still serious issues that demand attention, you should expect to be able to fend for yourself for longer when shit gets real. |
| 16:15.46 | jelly | Guest94202: basically, if you're not willing and ready to report and help fixing bugs, testing and unstable are not for you |
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| 16:16.20 | fraff | lord_rob: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/file |
| 16:16.30 | Guest94202 | sounds legit jelly n Bartleby |
| 16:17.26 | Bartleby | I don't think that's entirely true. If you're comfortable keeping distinct stable and testing/unstable partitions, and not crucially depending on anything in testing/unstable, you should be fine even if not 100% comfortable with the process. |
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| 16:18.53 | lord_rob | fraff: won't dd fail if I have damaged sectors ? wouldn't it be better to use tar ? |
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| 16:20.51 | fraff | lord_rob: if you have damaged sector, everything that read them will fail, I'd backup it "as it" first, then I'll think on how to restore most of the data on it |
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| 16:21.25 | Bartleby | Testing is pretty stable, to me the most major difference is how much and how quickly you can expect others to help you. If you set it up right, bugs can be a nice learning experience, and you can slowly gain the skills you need for greater independence. </fluffy feel-good rant> |
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| 16:23.15 | ujjain | in route -n |
| 16:23.17 | ujjain | how do I replace 10.42.182.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 < by tun-aib0? |
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| 16:28.20 | fraff | ujjain: something like ip route del 10.42.182.0/24 dev eth0 && ip route add 10.42.182.0/24 dev tun-aib0 ; ip route help |
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| 16:28.35 | jelly | Bartleby: there also the fact this channel _won't_ provide help for testing |
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| 16:30.09 | mingtsay | Hello, is there any tutorial for setting up a L2TP VPN server on Debian? |
| 16:30.44 | ghormoon | is it possible to register service (maybe throught update-rc.d?) which doesn't autostart, but is possible to caal by service name start? (I can do only /etc/init.d/name start now) also it would be nice to autoshutdown on halt, but not necessary, it will be TERMed anyway afaik :) |
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| 16:32.22 | fraff | ghormoon: you're on the good way, update-rc.d is the tool you need |
| 16:32.32 | ghormoon | ah, I've just realised it's not that service doesn't find it, it just doesn't work when called through it :D |
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| 16:34.11 | ghormoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.23 | jelly | ghormoon: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:36.30 | jelly | it sounds as if systemd is in place, which means "not Debian 7" |
| 16:36.42 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:36.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 16:37.18 | Wegg | Is Jessie now considered the stable release? |
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| 16:37.51 | jhutchins | Wegg: No. |
| 16:38.46 | Wegg | is there a guide/timeframe map as to when that transition will happen? |
| 16:39.06 | jhutchins | Wegg: When it's ready. |
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| 16:39.47 | pkkm | what's the recommended way to set the default editor system-wide? select-editor (from the `sensible-utils` package)? update-alternatives? setting $EDITOR in /etc/profile? |
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| 16:39.55 | Wegg | is there a. . . status? Meeting notes? Goal? |
| 16:40.13 | dondelelcaro | Wegg: the status is currently there are ~300 RC bugs |
| 16:40.18 | dondelelcaro | Wegg: we froze yesterday. |
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| 16:41.06 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 16:41.07 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 16:41.39 | AR45 | https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html |
| 16:41.40 | jelly | Wegg: when then green line on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ graph reaches zero, it will be close to release time |
| 16:41.43 | tinoco | anyone aware if debian-ha maintainers still exist ? |
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| 16:41.47 | Wegg | dondelelcaro, sweet. That's the news I was looking for. Thank you. |
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| 16:42.03 | tinoco | im seeing several old dated bugs for pacemaker and almost no fix/update on them |
| 16:42.13 | tinoco | i wonder if i could help maintaining pacemaker for debian |
| 16:42.42 | Wegg | What would help move that line? Is there stuff a normal user can do? |
| 16:43.13 | dondelelcaro | Wegg: yes. The best thing is to find bugs that you can fix, and propose patches for them. |
| 16:43.39 | Wegg | can't code. |
| 16:43.43 | dondelelcaro | Wegg: the best bugs to look at are those which have been filed for a while, but don't yet have a fixed or aren't yet tagged pending |
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| 16:44.20 | dondelelcaro | Wegg: but you can learn! And not all bugs require coding. And some of those bug reports don't have an easily reproducible test case, either. |
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| 16:45.17 | t5` | is away (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (02:45 pm) |
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| 16:46.25 | dondelelcaro | T5`: please turn off your auto-away script announcing to this channel. |
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| 16:46.54 | Wegg | wow that is a lot of release-critical fixes. . . |
| 16:47.00 | dondelelcaro | yep |
| 16:47.01 | boblee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.36 | dondelelcaro | boblee: ? |
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| 16:47.52 | boblee | !tell dondelelcaro about help |
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| 16:49.12 | dondelelcaro | boblee: Uh... yes, I do believe I know how to operate my IRC client and dpkg. |
| 16:49.25 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i still using jessie some can invite me to #deian-next? |
| 16:49.41 | Wegg | Thank you for these links dondelelcaro |
| 16:49.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ops #debian-next, |
| 16:49.55 | dondelelcaro | SOUL_OF_R00T: it's on irc.debian.org, not freenode. |
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| 16:50.09 | SOUL_OF_R00T | oh thanks dondelelcaro |
| 16:50.17 | dondelelcaro | SOUL_OF_R00T: np |
| 16:50.19 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i made a confusion |
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| 16:50.35 | dontknow | is there a jessie live cd? |
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| 16:52.35 | dondelelcaro | dontknow: not yet |
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| 16:54.13 | dontknow | dondelelcaro, ok thanks |
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| 16:55.15 | nilon_ | i've been trying to install lighttpd, i changed the repos to jessie and did apt-get dist-upgrade, problem is i got "Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libdevmapper1.02.1'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details." I read and understood what it means but don't know how to apply, any help on that please? |
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| 16:57.57 | rgr | dist-upgrade .. good luck with that. |
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| 16:58.57 | nilon_ | rgr, i know right! but how else to get lighttpd on? |
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| 17:00.29 | rgr | well, its too late now anyway. Did you do this? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 ? |
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| 17:01.49 | nilon_ | rgr, 1st one, will try other |
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| 17:02.45 | rgr | ? |
| 17:02.56 | rgr | try other what? |
| 17:03.00 | nilon_ | oh! now i realized it's just one thing: thanks on that. it gives back: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc' |
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| 17:04.27 | rgr | ignore the mips bit. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure |
| 17:04.45 | rgr | that was jus a quick google |
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| 17:05.27 | nilon_ | mips bit? i just care for lighttpd |
| 17:05.48 | rgr | just read it |
| 17:05.56 | nilon_ | ok, thanks |
| 17:06.21 | rgr | but updating the entire os for lighttpd is wrong. You could have maybe built from source or used a backport or used pinning or whatever. |
| 17:06.57 | jelly | ,v lighttpd |
| 17:06.58 | judd | Package: lighttpd on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1.6; squeeze: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1.6; wheezy-security: 1.4.31-4+deb7u3; wheezy: 1.4.31-4+deb7u3; jessie: 1.4.35-3; sid: 1.4.35-4 |
| 17:07.31 | jelly | rgr: pinning isn't safe when using stable and trying to ping anything newer |
| 17:07.39 | jelly | pin* |
| 17:07.49 | rgr | true didnt know what he was on. just throwing things out there. |
| 17:07.51 | percY-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.27 | jelly | percY-work: what is the goal of this formatting? |
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| 17:09.38 | percY-work | Just to wipe each drive before creating a pool in zfs |
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| 17:10.10 | jelly | is it really necessary to wipe them first? |
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| 17:10.26 | percY-work | Well no but i want to |
| 17:10.37 | jelly | why? |
| 17:10.46 | percY-work | I'm getting an error creating a pool without forcing it so i want to see if formatting fixes the issue |
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| 17:11.08 | jelly | why not ask the zfs-on-linux people about this particular error |
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| 17:11.32 | dontknow | sorry |
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| 17:12.09 | percY-work | I did and they said to try and format the drkive |
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| 17:12.24 | jelly | percY-work: what you can do, is a) set a large block size for dd to reduce cpu usage, and b) wipe all the future pool members in parallel |
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| 17:13.06 | jelly | percY-work: not knowing anything about zfs metadata format, I'd probably try to just wipe first and last 100MB of each device |
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| 17:15.14 | Baluse | http://raw.pro-chan.com/Raw/t/674_1382207920 |
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| 17:18.03 | jelly | percY-work: so, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXXX bs=1M count=100 for the beginning |
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| 17:18.25 | jelly | percY-work: and, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXXX bs=1M count=100 seek=$((`blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdXXX` / 1024 / 1024 - 99)) for the end |
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| 17:40.07 | wkd | I'm having a hellova time trying to get ftp access to work.. I had pptp work then installed iredmail.. pptp stopped working, I added ports 47 and 1723 to iptables now it connects but it's rejecting the password.. ports 20 and 21 were opened for ftp but passwords are being rejected... anybody know why this might be happening?? |
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| 17:42.59 | ompaul | conntrack ftp |
| 17:43.04 | ompaul | wkd: ^^ |
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| 17:45.37 | [sr] | hi |
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| 17:45.44 | wkd | awesome ompaul ty... works now |
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| 17:45.52 | [sr] | what replaces the package name "shaper" in debian ? |
| 17:45.53 | ompaul | wkd: careful |
| 17:46.06 | ompaul | wkd: it's great :) |
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| 17:46.12 | ompaul | ftp must die |
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| 17:46.31 | [sr] | wondershaper ? |
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| 17:47.07 | jelly | [sr]: wondershaper does things a bit differently, may or may not be suitable for your purpose |
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| 17:47.30 | [sr] | jelly: the's no shaper similar to use CBQ ? |
| 17:47.46 | [sr] | for me, its easy and simple and works |
| 17:47.58 | [sr] | the's=there's |
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| 17:52.21 | ChrisH | wkd: PPTP and FTP, could be topped by opening telnet. |
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| 18:00.44 | petn-randall | [sr]: Sure, 'man tc' to check what egress queueing is possible. Though you might want to use some level of abstraction to comfortably set this up. |
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| 18:19.43 | illy | hi i just installed this |
| 18:19.44 | illy | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/harden-doc |
| 18:19.51 | illy | and i cant seem to find it anyhwere on my system |
| 18:19.54 | illy | can anyonehelP? |
| 18:20.36 | babilen | illy: "dpkg -L harden-doc" |
| 18:21.46 | illy | babilen: |
| 18:21.53 | illy | that does not give me any information At all |
| 18:21.53 | babilen | yes? |
| 18:22.14 | illy | im trying to find it |
| 18:22.17 | babilen | How so? It should list all files that were installed from that package |
| 18:22.33 | illy | it doesnt |
| 18:22.54 | illy | all the text that i got is saying, do this and then update :D |
| 18:23.09 | babilen | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/harden-doc/filelist is the same -- Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l harden-doc" and "dpkg -L harden-doc" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 18:23.35 | illy | sure |
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| 18:24.20 | illy | http://pastebin.com/bA5Bpq6N |
| 18:24.21 | illy | there u go |
| 18:24.31 | illy | oh u mean |
| 18:24.33 | illy | i went full derp |
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| 18:24.44 | illy | i tought bot :D |
| 18:24.58 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 18:24.58 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:25.09 | SliMM | How would I go about setting up a computer running linux to act like one of those usb-ethernet adapters? |
| 18:25.13 | babilen | (and I'm not going to enter a captcha now) |
| 18:25.51 | illy | gonna be interesting if this works |
| 18:25.52 | illy | dpkg -l harden-doc > harden-doc ; dpkg -L harden-doc >> harden-doc ; pastebinit |
| 18:25.52 | dpkg | ii harden-doc > harden-doc ; dpkg -L harden-doc >> harden-doc ; pastebinit 2.6-3.2 illy's private stamp collection |
| 18:26.15 | Agd | when you do "rm -rf /" - what do you get? |
| 18:26.21 | illy | Agd: |
| 18:26.25 | illy | i think u get a ban? :P |
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| 18:26.35 | babilen | quite |
| 18:26.40 | babilen | Agd: Please play elsewhere |
| 18:26.50 | babilen | (besides, that doesn't work) |
| 18:26.56 | illy | i dont think "my script" works :D |
| 18:27.34 | illy | forgot to put -i :( |
| 18:27.40 | illy | http://paste.debian.net/130612/ |
| 18:27.42 | illy | this shuold be it |
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| 18:27.57 | illy | cool :D |
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| 18:27.59 | illy | thanks |
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| 18:29.11 | babilen | illy: So: All is good? |
| 18:29.18 | illy | i think so :D |
| 18:29.40 | babilen | Great. I am not sure, but the harden doc might not be the most up-to-date documentation. |
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| 18:30.52 | illy | guess i have some reading to catchup lol |
| 18:31.22 | illy | since im here can u guys help me with the exploits i have, |
| 18:31.33 | illy | when doing debsecan |
| 18:31.41 | illy | found vouln's and their "serial numbers" |
| 18:31.50 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 18:31.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 18:31.54 | illy | is there a website or something where can i find "fixes/patches" to them? |
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| 18:32.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell illy -about tracker of doom |
| 18:32.10 | n-iCe | guys is default jessie desktop xfce? |
| 18:32.15 | babilen | no |
| 18:32.37 | n-iCe | are you sure? |
| 18:32.53 | babilen | not entirely, no |
| 18:32.59 | babilen | why? |
| 18:33.10 | n-iCe | I think it is |
| 18:33.25 | EdePopede | hmm.... dpkg's comments are available under an open licence? that last one should really be spread ;) |
| 18:33.31 | n-iCe | oh, was for beta1 |
| 18:33.37 | n-iCe | beta2 is gnome again |
| 18:33.47 | illy | http://security-tracker.debian.org/ - is down? |
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| 18:34.04 | babilen | looks like it |
| 18:34.12 | babilen | n-iCe: yeah, exactly |
| 18:34.15 | illy | :\ perfect timing :D |
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| 18:34.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell EdePopede -about dpkgbot |
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| 18:35.31 | EdePopede | https://security-tracker.debian.org/ is there, after redirect to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ i don't get an answer |
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| 18:36.18 | n-iCe | do you actually use gnome? |
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| 18:36.52 | illy | tcp-wrappers work like iptables/netfilter , if im reading this right? right? |
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| 18:37.57 | illy | kernel patches on lids.org seem interesting |
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| 18:46.42 | obyrith | Hi, I want to install MySQL on wheezy, but the packages mysql-common, mysql-client-5.5, and mysql-server-5.5 don't seem to be available. I've tried to download them from debian.org, but I still get issues. What should I do? |
| 18:47.03 | illy | any recommendations on wich kernel patch should i go with? / lids, trusteest, selinux,exec shield patch,adamantix? |
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| 18:47.37 | illy | Obrit: apt-get update , then apt-cache search mysql |
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| 18:48.14 | illy | http://paste.debian.net/130616/ |
| 18:48.17 | illy | Obrit: |
| 18:48.52 | obyrith | illy: I'm running those commands. What is the paste supposed to be, the output of the second one? |
| 18:49.02 | jhutchins | illy: We recommend sticking with the kernel as patched by Debian. |
| 18:49.28 | jhutchins | obyrith: Yes, assuming you have apt-cache installed. |
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| 18:50.08 | illy | Obrit: the pastebin is to resoults of search for mysql |
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| 18:50.16 | illy | on line 81 to 88 u will find what u need (i guess) |
| 18:50.27 | illy | jhutchins, so the default kernel? |
| 18:50.30 | illy | "default" |
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| 18:53.24 | obyrith | illy: I found this in the list http://paste.debian.net/130617/ is that what should be there? Would anything work differently now after running those commands? |
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| 18:54.26 | illy | obyrith: what commands do you want to run? |
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| 18:54.54 | illy | &yes that is what u need if u want mysql |
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| 18:56.50 | illy | if you are trying to run "apt-get install or apt-cache search nothing will run diff. install will install the program for you, and search will find it for u if u are unsure how the packet/program is named |
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| 18:57.32 | babilen | s/u/you -- s/packet/package |
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| 18:57.45 | illy | yes :D |
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| 19:00.22 | illy | dpkg: bsign |
| 19:00.23 | dpkg | wish i knew, illy |
| 19:00.36 | obyrith | illy: So far it seems like it's working. Would apt-get update have made the package available? I find it a bit strange because I assume that package would have already been available the last time I ran apt-get update. |
| 19:00.50 | illy | [20:00] <dpkg> are you using Windows?, illy |
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| 19:07.49 | wkd | I've got my openvpn server.conf file configured with server 192.168.88.0 255.255.255.0 and /var/log/openvpn.log is showing this Options error: --server directive network/netmask combination is invalid |
| 19:07.50 | wkd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.32 | jhutchins | wkd: Try .88.1 |
| 19:14.41 | wkd | that broke the restart... [FAIL] Starting virtual private network daemon: server failed! |
| 19:15.23 | wkd | I'm assuming that is specifying the start ip range to issue |
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| 19:17.28 | jhutchins | wkd: Ah, try /24 instead of the netmask. |
| 19:17.42 | jhutchins | wkd: Go back to .0 |
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| 19:18.23 | jhutchins | Although I seen an example of server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 ... |
| 19:19.14 | wkd | that seems to break it too |
| 19:21.54 | jhutchins | ,v openvpn |
| 19:21.55 | judd | Package: openvpn on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.3.4-3; sid: 2.3.4-3 |
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| 19:28.18 | jhutchins | wkd: what's the address of the server? |
| 19:28.20 | wkd | hrm just took a look at /var/log/openvpn.log and I'm not getting any more errors after restarting or trying to connect. I'm assuming thats an older error |
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| 19:28.49 | wkd | the server has 3 static ip's on eth0 and 2 aliases |
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| 19:29.58 | wkd | hrmm I just looked at ifconfig and there is a tun0 interface (that may be from pptp previously installed though) |
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| 19:30.56 | User_ | is debian seriously ready for real desktop usage? |
| 19:31.02 | User_ | debian / linux |
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| 19:32.39 | pcre | User_: yes |
| 19:33.00 | abaris | Is Jessie frozen yet? Haven't seen any news other than the date was yesterday |
| 19:33.08 | n-iCe | yes, frozen |
| 19:33.09 | wkd | nope tun0 is from openvpn route shows 192.168.88.0 gw 192.168.88.2 |
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| 19:33.15 | abaris | Sweet |
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| 19:33.25 | wkd | for Ifae tun0 |
| 19:33.36 | wkd | iface.. |
| 19:33.41 | n-iCe | abaris: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00003.html |
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| 19:34.22 | User_ | pcre, explain why ... |
| 19:34.32 | User_ | curious |
| 19:35.47 | petn-randall | User_: You can check mails, browse the web and write documents. It covers 90% of all use cases people have a desktop machine for. |
| 19:36.02 | pcre | User_: Because something like Win8 wont happen here. It is a user based distro managed anarchistic. See http://debianfork.org/ |
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| 19:38.26 | User_ | hmm pcre so what about mac os x ? |
| 19:38.46 | abaris | n-iCe: ty |
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| 19:39.05 | pcre | User_: If you cant hack it you dont own it. |
| 19:39.14 | User_ | petn-randall, how compatible is it to ms office? letś say people who rely heavily on those ms office standarts? |
| 19:39.24 | l3dx | anyone know why the font in Emacs is bigger in Gnome3 than Xfce? |
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| 19:41.23 | User_ | what about 64 bit desktop support in debian? |
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| 19:45.36 | pcre | User_: 2014. No one uses 32 Bit anymore. Even mobil cpu's have 64 bit now a days |
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| 19:46.09 | petn-randall | User_: OOXML is a standard that MS wrote, is 8000 pages long, and standard that is implemented by nobody, ironically not even MS Office. ODF is supported by MS Office, LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Google Docs and many more. |
| 19:46.18 | User_ | pcre, so why is there i386 iso? legacy support? |
| 19:46.47 | petn-randall | User_: Err ... 64 bit has been supported pretty much ever since 64 bit CPUs came out. |
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| 19:47.29 | User_ | I need to write papers for college and I do not want to get the hassle from college profressors complaining about layout and spacing issues when they open it using ms office word |
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| 19:47.40 | User_ | it is those things that prevent me from switching |
| 19:47.49 | User_ | bad feeling in the gut... you know |
| 19:47.55 | vlitzer | on debian wheezy, whats the metapackage that trails the latest backport kernel? like the one that is independent of version number in the package name |
| 19:47.58 | petn-randall | User_: So, like in 1995. Or 2001 for x86 CPUs. |
| 19:48.11 | petn-randall | User_: That's why you use PDF. |
| 19:48.15 | pcre | Allways share pdf. |
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| 19:49.06 | vlitzer | oh i found it, nvm! |
| 19:49.08 | User_ | hmm, in group work this is difficult because documents have to be mered using APA / harvard refernecing |
| 19:49.28 | hanfm | User_: http://tinyurl.com/qfgrpfu |
| 19:49.33 | User_ | can this be made compatible? |
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| 19:50.35 | no_libsoup_for_y | Silly (possibly bikeshedding) question: Is it better to wipe the console via ~/.bash_logout, or by adding `trap 'clear' EXIT` to ~/.bashrc? |
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| 19:57.30 | pcre | microsoft sure knows how to brand young naiv students. giving away free licenses. |
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| 19:57.58 | petn-randall | no_libsoup_for_y: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 19:58.25 | hanfm | pcre, of course, they save the bosses from tomorrow |
| 19:58.39 | no_libsoup_for_y | petn-randall: Sate some curiosity of mine. :p |
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| 19:58.58 | petn-randall | User_: Well, you can always use Google Docs and LibreOffice for that. |
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| 19:59.44 | no_libsoup_for_y | I mean, what's performance overhead of one versus the other (even if there were any, it would be negligable)? |
| 19:59.54 | no_libsoup_for_y | *what's the |
| 19:59.58 | User_ | petn-randall, I will see what LibreOffice is about and if it is compatible with the APA / harvard referencing then I can switch completely to debian |
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| 20:00.23 | User_ | I really want to but I do not want to go through unnesseary hassle with it |
| 20:00.50 | User_ | my dad used to isntall debian woody and I liked the system |
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| 20:01.21 | User_ | looking to get back but would rather go on a date then triffle with these compatibilty issues |
| 20:01.22 | User_ | :) |
| 20:01.29 | petn-randall | User_: Debian woody has been ... let's say quite a while :). I don't know what APA / harvard referencing is. |
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| 20:01.36 | no_libsoup_for_y | User_: It's compatible with APA and pretty much every other academic format out there |
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| 20:02.32 | no_libsoup_for_y | As for what functionality it offers in regards to automating/checking APA-style papers, I don't know |
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| 20:03.02 | petn-randall | American Poultry Association? |
| 20:03.09 | no_libsoup_for_y | lol! |
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| 20:03.22 | no_libsoup_for_y | American Psych Association |
| 20:03.44 | no_libsoup_for_y | It's a style guide for papers and publications |
| 20:04.44 | no_libsoup_for_y | There are others out there like MLA, ACS, AP, etc. |
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| 20:06.14 | no_libsoup_for_y | (I should mention that it's named that because the American Psychology Association is behind the guide, not because it's for use only in psych papers or something else) |
| 20:06.45 | rodroma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.01 | rodroma | should i run a chmod +rw ? |
| 20:07.14 | petn-randall | User_: If you want to index publications and help with citing them in LibreOffice, I can recommend using Zotero for that. It has templates for citing papers in different styles. |
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| 20:10.42 | User_ | petn-randall, interesting I will check it out |
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| 20:11.19 | petn-randall | User_: If you are hesitant about switching, you can dualboot for a while before switching completely over. That's what I did for quite a while. |
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| 20:14.38 | supay | hey, i've got a debian vps and using cloudflare as my dns.. there seems to be some weird shit going on.. lol.. can't complete a traceroute, don't get my servers ip with a dnslookup |
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| 20:14.48 | supay | basically, my openfire installation is ruined :( |
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| 20:15.47 | supay | is there a way i can point my domain straight to my servers ip address without the extra hassle? |
| 20:15.59 | supay | maybe some dns records that i could add/edit..? the A record perhaps? |
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| 20:17.39 | petn-randall | supay: So your local DNS is screwed up? |
| 20:18.12 | supay | petn-randall: im not sure.. im trying to use an xmpp client.. user@servers_ip works fine.. but user@domain.com doesn.t |
| 20:18.22 | supay | though domain.com opens up the website i setup on the server |
| 20:18.28 | petn-randall | supay: What domain is that? |
| 20:18.31 | supay | so theres something fishy going on at cloudflare! |
| 20:18.33 | hanfm | supay, how looks your dns configuration? |
| 20:18.41 | supay | petn-randall: 0rt.me |
| 20:18.48 | supay | hanfm: how could i check? |
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| 20:20.05 | hanfm | you didn't set it up? Ty dig |
| 20:20.12 | hanfm | *try |
| 20:20.18 | supay | hanfm: i dont think i have setup dns on my vps |
| 20:20.21 | supay | ok.. |
| 20:20.21 | petn-randall | supay: XMPP sometimes uses SRV records to find the server to connect to. Maybe your client has that activated? |
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| 20:20.37 | supay | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/RyC8LwBJ |
| 20:20.40 | supay | hanfm: ^ |
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| 20:21.05 | supay | petn-randall: i unchecked that checkbox.. its not using srv records i guess.. let me try without |
| 20:21.16 | supay | i mean, let me check* |
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| 20:22.19 | supay | petn-randall: i selected the option called 'custom host' described as "Use custom host settings instead of SRV settings" |
| 20:22.38 | hanfm | supay: you have to user dig with |
| 20:22.39 | hanfm | dig <your domain> |
| 20:22.39 | petn-randall | supay: Are you running the XMPP client on the same machine you're connecting to the website with? |
| 20:23.09 | supay | hanfm: oh, okay.. sorry |
| 20:23.16 | supay | petn-randall: no, im connecting from a phone |
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| 20:23.34 | supay | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jVk1Y7Pa |
| 20:23.36 | supay | hanfm: ^ |
| 20:23.45 | petn-randall | supay: Check if the website works from your phone. I'm assuming your DNS setup is broken on your phone. |
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| 20:24.18 | petn-randall | supay: Please use http://paste.debian.net to show us things, nobody want to sign up somewhere to see a simple paste. |
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| 20:24.26 | petn-randall | s/want/wants/ |
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| 20:25.21 | supay | shit, i didn't know it asks you to signup, very sorry. |
| 20:25.30 | supay | and the website opens fine from my phone |
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| 20:26.26 | jelly-home | petn-randall: works here |
| 20:26.33 | supay | petn-randall: i guess you can see the paste without signing up too.. :/ weird.. i opened it from another browser |
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| 20:27.11 | hanfm | supay, maybe you need an ptr record? |
| 20:27.28 | supay | hanfm: im not sure what that is.. :/ some kind of pointer? |
| 20:27.32 | petn-randall | jelly-home, supay, even worse, it needs JS to work. :( |
| 20:27.42 | supay | haha :) |
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| 20:28.11 | petn-randall | supay: Which XMPP client are you using? |
| 20:28.25 | supay | petn-randall: Xabber |
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| 20:30.01 | rgb-one | hello |
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| 20:30.20 | rgb-one | How is a communication link established between two processes running on the same machine? |
| 20:30.23 | supay | someone on #cloudflare linked me to this.. https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200169156-Which-ports-will-CloudFlare-work-with- |
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| 20:30.53 | supay | rgb-one: IPC |
| 20:31.06 | supay | rgb-one: http://www.sanfoundry.com/operating-system-mcqs-inter-process-communication/ |
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| 20:32.13 | supay | okay guys - new question - how can i add a subdomain to a specific port by editing my dns zone file? |
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| 20:32.22 | supay | i mean, i'll add it on cloudflare ofc.. but then what do i do? |
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| 20:34.15 | hanfm | rgb-one, there are different technologies for interprocesscommunication, for example unnamed pipes, named pipes, rpc, shared memory or sockets |
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| 20:34.28 | rgb-one | suppay: thanks for the link |
| 20:34.35 | rgb-one | supay* |
| 20:34.41 | supay | rgb-one: np ;) |
| 20:36.40 | hanfm | supay, in the dns config, you can point the subdomain to a certain ip-address. if you want to use the same ip, like for the root domain, you should use virtual hosts on apache |
| 20:36.58 | supay | okay.. cool |
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| 20:38.15 | Percy- | Is there a command i can use to show me what order the drives are on the hba controller? |
| 20:38.18 | supay | hanfm: ah, yes.. and then i'll choose for that subdomain not to go through cloudflare.. simple! :D |
| 20:38.29 | rgb-one | I am aware of these hanfm, however I want to find out how a communication link between these processes are made. |
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| 20:38.54 | supay | rgb-one: IPC |
| 20:38.57 | supay | rgb-one: http://www.sanfoundry.com/operating-system-mcqs-inter-process-communication/ |
| 20:39.01 | supay | lol, just messing with you |
| 20:39.09 | rgb-one | haha |
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| 20:40.37 | hanfm | rgb-one, they exchange data over an IPC technology!? |
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| 20:42.13 | hanfm | it depends on the technology, how the link is made |
| 20:42.16 | supay | hanfm: id need mod_proxy to do this wouldn't i? |
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| 20:42.45 | supay | is there a way to check if mod_proxy is already a part of my apache installation? |
| 20:42.58 | rgb-one | lets use piping as an example |
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| 20:43.29 | hanfm | i dont know, if you need this, but there is a way, but i can't tell you, ask google ;-) |
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| 20:44.07 | hanfm | ping uses icmp |
| 20:44.51 | hanfm | you send an icmp echo-request and receive an icmp echo-reply |
| 20:45.25 | supay | hanfm: i think he meant 'piping' ;p |
| 20:45.32 | hanfm | oh |
| 20:45.35 | hanfm | :-D |
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| 20:46.06 | supay | haha |
| 20:46.07 | hanfm | in unix, everything is a file |
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| 20:47.18 | supay | true that |
| 20:47.19 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | supay: What is with the winking? |
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| 20:47.39 | supay | j4s0nmchr1st0s: lol, didn't press shift in time and got a semicolon instead of a colon.. lol |
| 20:47.54 | hanfm | u can use an named pipe with a file descriptor, this is a file with a 'p' attribute. the one process opens it for writing, the other process opens it for reading. the the writing process writes on the pipe-file, and the reading process reads the data |
| 20:47.57 | supay | s/lol[1]/hehe |
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| 20:49.00 | hanfm | or you can use an unnamed pipe. this is simply an array in c. but only processes with the same parentprocess can use that |
| 20:49.01 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | supay: yes but why. |
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| 20:49.29 | supay | j4s0nmchr1st0s: well, :P isn't really a wink you know :P |
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| 20:50.40 | supay | no idea how to point a subdomain to my servers ip using virtualhost |
| 20:50.43 | supay | my head is about to explode. |
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| 20:52.03 | hanfm | supay, search in google for "apache virtual host subdomain" or simply "apache subdomain". The dns config depends on your provider |
| 20:52.38 | supay | ok.. |
| 20:53.08 | hanfm | I dont know cloudflare, so maybe i'm on the wrong way ;-) but, for normal, you would go the way, i told you |
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| 20:54.28 | hanfm | supay: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200168756-How-do-I-add-a-subdomain- |
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| 20:56.27 | rgb-one | thanks for the info hanfm |
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| 20:58.33 | hanfm | rgb-one, pipes are more useful for processes with the same parent process, if you want to share data between independent processes, you should use shared memory or rpc. if you use shared memory, you should use semaphores to avoid race conditions |
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| 21:01.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone how do I update the vino-server package from the CLI? |
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| 21:15.45 | nsw | hello, what is -ldir in debian? (which apt-get package I can find the library in?) |
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| 21:20.22 | ompaul | ldirectord |
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| 21:31.36 | nsw | ompaul: thank you |
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| 21:33.33 | ompaul | nsw: yw |
| 21:33.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone how do I replace the vino-server with a different remote desktop server? |
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| 21:36.39 | ompaul | THE_GFR|WORK: apt-cache search remote desktop |
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| 21:36.49 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:40.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | ompaul: hmm |
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| 21:44.31 | ompaul | THE_GFR|WORK: you update the box ... if you haven't done something wrong ... if you want to remove and add something apt-get remove packagename ; apt-get install otherpackage |
| 21:44.42 | ompaul | be aware that otherpackage might want stuff |
| 21:44.46 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 21:44.47 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 21:47.00 | jhonmark | hi guys, am I the only one suffering apartently for having a vga intel (haswell) ? epiphany made my system hangs frequently, now unistalled, it happens less often, but still happens, and the dmesg says it is the kwin or the gnome-shell and has something to do with drm. |
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| 21:55.47 | vook | How can I view the output of an extend, even the example extend on debian ("extend test1 /bin/echo Hello, world!") doesn't show up. |
| 21:55.53 | vook | in snmpd that is |
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| 21:57.18 | vook | I've been using "snmpwalk -v1 -cpublic -mall localhost" |
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| 22:00.27 | jelly-home | vook: snmpwalk -v2c -cpublic NET-SNMP-EXTEND-MIB::nsExtendOutputFull.'"test1"' |
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| 22:01.54 | but | What is a good laptop for debian |
| 22:02.31 | ompaul | thinkpad T seriews |
| 22:02.34 | ompaul | thinkpad T series |
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| 22:02.58 | hanfm | but: depends on, what you need |
| 22:03.06 | but | Does the wifi work ompaul |
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| 22:03.29 | but | hanfm: anything with working wifi and 500GB hard drive |
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| 22:04.20 | vook | jelly-home: hmm, doesn't work here. |
| 22:04.43 | jelly-home | vook: get rid of that unquoted ! for a start |
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| 22:04.51 | hanfm | but: you should check hardware compatiblity lists if you like to go for sure, but i have a thinkpad too and no problems with debian on it |
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| 22:05.15 | jelly-home | vook: remember to restart snmpd service after doing changes to snmpd.conf |
| 22:05.16 | vook | jelly-home: well, that's the default - that's the way it came |
| 22:05.20 | but | Alright Thank you two |
| 22:05.24 | vook | yes, I've been restarting. |
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| 22:06.56 | jelly-home | vook: free software often comes with conflicting or flat out wrong examples. Can you snmpget or snmpwalk other stuff? |
| 22:07.41 | vook | snmpwalk works fine, it just doesn't show any output of the extend arguments. I'm trying this : NET-SNMP-EXTEND-MIB::nsExtendOutputFull.'"test1"' |
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| 22:07.55 | vook | oops, http://serverfault.com/questions/397936/snmp-extend-not-working |
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| 22:09.53 | jelly-home | vook: what's the command line snmpd is running with? |
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| 22:10.17 | jelly-home | ps -ffp $(pgrep snmpd) |
| 22:10.46 | vook | /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -g snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid |
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| 22:12.43 | Ox17 | when trying to copy a rar file to an external drive it says, "file is too large" but the medium supports large files. |
| 22:13.17 | jelly-home | vook: looks pretty much default |
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| 22:13.35 | vook | yep |
| 22:14.02 | jelly-home | Ox17: fat32 only does up to 4GB or so, which filesystem is used? |
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| 22:14.40 | Ox17 | jelly-home: the device is formated as NTFS |
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| 22:15.29 | Ox17 | jelly-home: Its really strange.. i know fat32 doesnt support files larger then 4 GB, but ntfs.s |
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| 22:15.51 | jelly-home | yeah, ntfs ought to work |
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| 22:16.14 | jelly-home | Ox17: does "mount" command confirm the mount point is really ntfs? |
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| 22:17.51 | Ox17 | jelly-home: ive copied again now it works, really strange |
| 22:17.58 | Ox17 | Yes, it says the device is ntfs |
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| 22:18.03 | jelly-home | weird |
| 22:18.07 | Ox17 | But now everything is fine, dunno what happened |
| 22:18.10 | mazzanet | lo |
| 22:18.37 | mazzanet | so i reverted from systemd back to sysv |
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| 22:18.50 | mazzanet | and now by system clock is out by 14ish years? |
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| 22:19.09 | jelly-home | mazzanet: date --utc says what? |
| 22:19.24 | Newb_ | Are there any good cheap laptops that you all would recommend |
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| 22:20.36 | mazzanet | Thu Sep 13 05:39:29 UTC 2029 |
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| 22:21.00 | jelly-home | are... are you talking to use from the future |
| 22:21.09 | jelly-home | to us* |
| 22:21.11 | richac | Newb_: hmm |
| 22:21.27 | mazzanet | this is an embedded board so no rtc battery |
| 22:21.37 | mazzanet | so the time would usually start at 1970 |
| 22:21.43 | mazzanet | i notice it now starts at 2000 |
| 22:21.59 | richac | Newb_: i would just compare prices and specs |
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| 22:22.07 | jelly-home | mazzanet: it's hard to say what happened there, then, weird platform and all |
| 22:22.24 | Newb_ | Alright I shall |
| 22:22.30 | mazzanet | armv7 |
| 22:23.01 | jelly-home | but there are thousands of different boards with an "armv7" |
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| 22:23.08 | mazzanet | true |
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| 22:23.20 | mazzanet | either way, it was fine with systemd... |
| 22:23.57 | jelly-home | probably because it set the clock early on |
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| 22:24.27 | mazzanet | well i'm using ntpdate on ifup to set it |
| 22:25.01 | jelly-home | if ntpd is running, ntpdate won't work |
| 22:25.05 | mazzanet | no ntpd |
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| 22:26.28 | mazzanet | systemd: start at 1970, ntpdate sets correct time |
| 22:26.39 | mazzanet | sysv: start at 2000, ntpdate sets to 2029 |
| 22:26.50 | mazzanet | which makes no sense :/ |
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| 22:29.18 | richac | i like systemctl |
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| 22:30.18 | Zeranoe | I don't know what patch did it, but thank you to whoever fixed all the icons not displaying correct in the testing version |
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| 22:30.51 | richac | mazzanet: you don't like systemd? |
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| 22:32.53 | mazzanet | richac: added an extra minute or so to bootup time and usb hosts would randomly not get detected |
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| 22:33.47 | mazzanet | richac: probably cuased by something else |
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| 22:34.05 | richac | weird |
| 22:34.21 | richac | i just like systemctl much better for managing services |
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| 22:35.13 | richac | fedora is pretty unstable though |
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| 22:50.23 | Intensity | Hi. I'm attempting to build open-vm-tools-dkms but I don't know of a working tool to do that. module-assistant tries to find a source tarball, but I can see the source in /usr/src/modules/. |
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| 22:50.53 | future28 | Hey there, a few questions - I went to install haskell and it's asking for 40 packages or so, seems abnormally large. Why is there so many dependencies? |
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| 22:51.36 | future28 | 2 - I'm usig wheezy with backports, but am keen to change to jessie. Is a fresh install recommended or can I simply change my sources and do a dist-upgrade? I feel as if doing a dist-upgrade may break many things |
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| 22:55.23 | richac | so when compiling kernel i have to use open source drivers right? and then install prop drivers afterwards, correct? |
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| 23:01.09 | Sir_ | Can debian be used on a raspberry pi |
| 23:01.15 | future28 | Sir_: Yes |
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| 23:01.28 | Sir_ | Thank you future28 |
| 23:01.33 | future28 | Sir_: The standard "Raspbian" distro is esentially Debian though |
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| 23:01.57 | future28 | Sir_: http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 23:02.01 | RichiH | not quite |
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| 23:02.11 | RichiH | but it's better suited for raspberry pi |
| 23:02.18 | RichiH | (and is not officially supported in here) |
| 23:02.22 | future28 | RichiH: Yeah, it's optimised for the pi is all |
| 23:02.29 | RichiH | i know |
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| 23:04.34 | cynicallemon | raspbian packages are built against the arm6hf architecture afaik |
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| 23:06.10 | no_libsoup_for_y | Is it possible to install cups (from the Debian repository) on a fresh, minimal Jessie system that's using OpenRC instead of systemd? The core cups packages have the latter init system marked as a pre-dependency. |
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| 23:08.20 | cynicallemon | yeah cups needs systemd it appears |
| 23:08.46 | no_libsoup_for_y | Hmm |
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| 23:09.23 | cynicallemon | not sure if the systemd-shim thing works with open-rc |
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| 23:10.54 | no_libsoup_for_y | I may just build cups myself then. Not too sure about hplip (although I can probably live without it). |
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| 23:12.00 | richac | no_libsoup_for_y: i think if you use hplip, you don't need cups? unless maybe your sharing the printer? |
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| 23:12.48 | no_libsoup_for_y | hplip has cups as a dependency (the printer is going to be shared, too). |
| 23:13.00 | richac | it does? oh i never knew that |
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| 23:13.18 | no_libsoup_for_y | Eh, don't worry about me for now. |
| 23:13.22 | richac | on the one machine i have hplips installed, i don't use the cups port |
| 23:13.27 | richac | or have them running |
| 23:13.39 | richac | but maybe it still needs to be installed |
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| 23:14.18 | cynicallemon | make sure the cups source doesnt have systemd dependency, i seem to remember a --disable-systemd build flag being mentioned somewhere |
| 23:14.27 | richac | this is on fedora though so maybe diff |
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| 23:14.49 | jelly-home | richac: hplip is cups drivers + tools for printer mgt on the side |
| 23:14.53 | no_libsoup_for_y | Maybe it changed in Jessie? Just checked the hplip package with apt-cache show and among the list of deps is libcups2 and cups |
| 23:15.08 | richac | jelly-home: ok i'm just saying i don't use the port 631 or have the processes running |
| 23:15.29 | richac | but maybe it does need to be installed |
| 23:15.39 | jelly-home | richac: I've no idea how printing works for you, then |
| 23:15.47 | richac | jelly-home: i used hplip |
| 23:15.56 | no_libsoup_for_y | cynicallemon: Yeah, I was looking to see how Arch and Gentoo handled it (Arch itself have a package specifically named cups-openrc) |
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| 23:16.00 | richac | port 9100 |
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| 23:16.34 | cynicallemon | no_libsoup_for_y: move to arch then :) |
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| 23:16.59 | no_libsoup_for_y | No no, I was looking into that stuff to determine how to build cups on my system :p |
| 23:17.21 | cynicallemon | no_libsoup_for_y: well gentoo cups should be good for non-systemd use |
| 23:17.28 | no_libsoup_for_y | Debian is love, Debian is life |
| 23:17.33 | no_libsoup_for_y | yeah |
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| 23:18.11 | jelly-home | no_libsoup_for_y: wtf |
| 23:18.20 | jelly-home | it's not love, it's an OS! |
| 23:18.23 | cynicallemon | no_libsoup_for_y: i fear something will require systemd at some point so you will be assilimilated |
| 23:18.46 | no_libsoup_for_y | :P |
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| 23:51.41 | CRCinAU | Hi all... is it possible to get debian to install to the whole disk instead of partitioning? |
| 23:52.09 | CRCinAU | in my use case, Xen passes through /dev/xvda - and I'd like to just slap a ext4 fs on /dev/xvda and install into that. |
| 23:52.23 | CRCinAU | but every preseed I've seen only works on a partitioned device. |
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| 23:53.39 | jelly-home | CRCinAU: on vmware, we use a small first (partitioned) disk with just /boot and the boot loader, and a large non-partitioned disk for everything else |
| 23:54.04 | CRCinAU | jelly-home: yeah - I see that often - but I don't like it ;) |
| 23:54.19 | CRCinAU | for our EL6 kickstarts, we install to /dev/xvda and its quite happy with that. |
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| 23:54.37 | jelly-home | where do you put the boot loader? |
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| 23:54.41 | CRCinAU | but debian seems..... special. |
| 23:54.48 | CRCinAU | xen doesn't need a bootloader. |
| 23:54.58 | jelly-home | oh, what's the problem then |
| 23:55.20 | CRCinAU | debian won't install to /dev/xvda :) |
| 23:55.29 | CRCinAU | ie el6 kickstart, we use: |
| 23:55.30 | CRCinAU | clearpart --all --drives=xvda |
| 23:55.30 | CRCinAU | part / --fstype="ext4" --onpart=xvda --label=root |
| 23:55.30 | CRCinAU | bootloader --location=none |
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| 23:55.45 | CRCinAU | heh 'flood' ;) |
| 23:55.48 | jelly-home | ah, automation |
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| 23:56.26 | CRCinAU | so yeah - as we don't need a bootloader (pv-grub / pygrub) takes care of that with in the Xen Dom0 |
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| 23:56.58 | CRCinAU | all that needs to exist in the DomU (guest) is a grub.conf at /boot/grub/grub.conf |
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| 23:57.32 | CRCinAU | having non-partitioned devices also makes it easier to get at data in the DomU from the Dom0 for backup / restore etc |
| 23:57.44 | wkd | anyone care to take a look at my config files and logs... I'm having problems accessing my openvpn from outside the network.. lan is ok as long I'm using TCP.. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/940ea971bb4e75d31469 |
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| 23:59.49 | CRCinAU | so ideally, if I can find some preseed magic to do the same as the EL6 kickstart, I'll be happy :) |
