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00:02.28CRCinAUor even if I can use an 'existing partition' (being /dev/xvda) for installation and format it in the preseed scripting
00:03.03CRCinAUbah
00:03.12CRCinAUB.1.2. Limitations Although most questions used by debian-installer can be preseeded using this method, there are some notable exceptions. You must (re)partition an entire disk or use available free space on a disk; it is not possible to use existing partitions.
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00:05.32CRCinAUI used it while I was using Fedora..... seems to work
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00:25.26brentaarnoldWhere is the off-topic debian room?
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01:18.12j4s0nmchr1st0srichac: Usually it is all compiled at the same time.
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01:18.45j4s0nmchr1st0sIt is a more experimental to compile modules separately.
01:19.11j4s0nmchr1st0sThe linux kernel itself is experimental.
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01:37.07SOUL_OF_R00Thereis is time to say good night at all :) it's a pleasure stay with us !
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01:40.02HFSPLUShow do i make linux case insensitive?
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01:41.35veekhow do you list pkg names
01:41.43veekdpkg -l breaks the name up
01:41.43dpkgii  breaks the name up                 2.2-12.1           veek's private stamp collection
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01:41.53HFSPLUSjelly-home, =)
01:42.03veekheh
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01:43.12mnsI'm using moc 2.5 on debian/testing and when I play a mp3, it plays at like a really fast speed, so you can't hear anything.  If I use rhythmbox, it plays the songs just fine.
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01:46.05Azazelhow come that I always have to do "ifconfig eth0 down" before my wifi can work?
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01:48.37veekis there a way to get a list of pkgfiles that were installed
01:48.42jelly-homeveek: what do you need the list for?
01:49.02veekjelly-home, to determine what a pkg-file looks like
01:49.08veekplugin for vim
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01:49.19jasonwcAnyone have any experience with a brtfs RAID1 setup?
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01:50.47jelly-homeveek: pkg-file?
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01:51.50veekjelly-home, well the whole httpd-blah-version
01:52.03veekwith extension would be nice
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01:52.23jelly-homeveek: a vim plugin named httpd-blah?
01:52.37jelly-homeI'm not sure what you're looking for
01:53.07jelly-homeveek: a good starting point might be apt-cache search keyword
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01:54.44veekisn't there a standardized format for naming packages.. i need to spot project directories automatically.. so when i do vim file, i can extract the buffer path and switch to 'project' mode
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01:55.53veekso if path is /abcd/efgh/apache-1.0.3 then i'd like to extract the apache bit; but if it was apache11 i'd like to skip it
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01:57.07jelly-homeveek: oh, you're looking for shell helpers.  existence of debian/ subdirectory (and especially a ./debian/rules file in it) is a good pointer to cwd being an unpacked source-package tree
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01:57.50jelly-homeveek: if you're looking at package development, #debian-mentors over on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask
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01:58.47veekjelly-home, ah! ty!
02:00.06HFSPLUShow do i make linux case insensitive?
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02:00.31jelly-homeHFSPLUS: why would you need that
02:00.44HFSPLUSim just wondering if it is possible
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02:01.29jelly-homeunix OSes and their filesystems are case sensitive by default.  There are workarounds like samba if you really _need_ case insensitivity
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02:05.20dizzylizzyI'm sorry I'm still just so amazed I can do things like "mkdir $(seq -w 20)" and it just works
02:05.31dizzylizzywhy are basic shell capabilities still so amazing to me
02:05.40dizzylizzyi've been using nothing but debian for like five years
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02:07.43jelly-homedizzylizzy: also, echo {01..20}
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02:31.57EvidloDoes the most recent version of Debian now ship with systemd?
02:32.09Evidlo7.7 I think?
02:32.27jelly-homeEvidlo: nope
02:32.33heuristEvidlo: the *next* one will be systemd. but default. the current one (7) is not.
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02:32.51Evidloheurist: Next one, as in 8?
02:32.57heuristEvidlo: yes
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02:33.31BrigoEvidlo, you can install systemd in 7.7, but is not recomended.
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02:35.05EvidloBrigo: I did that in 7.1 and ended up getting a really old version with no journald
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02:35.26heuristEvidlo: it you want it in 7 use the version brom backports
02:35.32BrigoEvidlo, that is one of the several problems you can find.
02:36.10Brigoother problems are not systemd related but old software version in wheezy.
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02:36.31EvidloI would've used Cent 7 in the meantime, but now RHEL doesn't support i386
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02:41.58richacwhat about oracle linux?
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02:42.36illyi detected a hiden process on my system, how do i track it down and kill it?
02:42.37illyHIDDEN Processes Found: 1       sysinfo.procs = 232   ps_count = 234
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02:43.27heuristdpkg: tell illy -about crosspost
02:43.34dltloracle linux? does it have the extra virgin oil selinux
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02:44.52illycheers heurist,but that doesnt really help me :P
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02:48.44naptris apt-get part of the base system, or is it part of the 'useful tools' during installation?
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02:49.54heuristnaptr: apt-get is part of the apt package, is is "important" this makes it "base".
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02:51.29naptrheurist: during install, i can configure my base system type from a list of predefined package sets. i'd like to choose none, if apt-get will still be there. didn't realize sets have names like 'apt' ..where can i see that information?
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02:52.35heuristnaptr: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel might be a place to start understanding the installation questions.
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02:53.00naptrpointed me straight to it. thanks so much.
02:53.45heuristnaptr: apt is the package that provides the apt-get command.  dpkg -S apt-get  tells you that and  aptitude show apt  tells you that apt is in "Priority: important"
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02:54.47naptrheurist: so, all "important" packages will be installed as base, then.
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02:56.18naptrahh, i see. pstandard, prequired, pimportant, etc. thanks. i'll just read all of this.
02:56.18heuristthat page mentions that important, required, and standard are all part of the "standard" install
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02:56.46AR45I can't seem to get flash working in iceweasel 35
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03:19.43j4s0nmchr1st0sWhat channel is there for design of farming tools?
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03:20.39dvs????
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03:42.07nikio__guys it says  its 05:42 while my location is set to holland . its 04:42 here
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03:42.26nikio__so the Debian clock seems broke
03:42.51nikio__it says : 05:42 CET
03:42.53nikio__thats wrong
03:43.16nikio__its 04:52 in the CET timezone
03:43.33nikio__its 04:53 in the CET timezone
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03:44.50dvsnikio_: cat /etc/adjtime
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03:46.15nikio__dvs 1415274020
03:46.16nikio__UTC
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03:47.00dvsnikio_: So your hardware clock should be set to UTC time
03:47.20nikio__dvs what does that mean?
03:47.52nikio__i mean why, and how did you make that out from what I showed you?
03:47.53dvsnikio_: Your time should be correct if your BIOS clock is set to UTC time
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03:48.12dvsnikio_: The last line says "UTC"
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03:48.16nikio__ityes
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03:48.40nikio__dvs so what now?
03:48.52dvsnikio_: You sure?  run "hwclock --show" as root.
03:49.17illywondering how can i trace the hidden process i found;
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03:49.18illyHIDDEN Processes Found:  1Isysinfo.procs = 228   ps_count = 230
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03:50.45dvsjudd: info util-linux
03:50.48juddPackage util-linux (utils, required) in wheezy/i386: Miscellaneous system utilities. Version: 2.20.1-5.3; Size: 643.8k; Installed: 1526k; Homepage: http://userweb.kernel.org/~kzak/util-linux/
03:51.14dvsit's a required package so it has to be there.
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03:53.28MarvelDigitali'm trying to configure wordpress on my localhost, but i get an error: could not open required defaults file /etc/mysql/debian.cnf when invoking: cat wordpress.sql | sudo mysql --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf how can i fix this?
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04:00.05nikio__dvs, what now : p
04:00.25dvsnikio__: if you can't run hwclock, I can't help you.
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04:01.26nikio__dvs do i have to do apt-get hwclock? why cant I run it : <
04:01.37nikio__i simply downloaded and installed the latest debian cd 1
04:01.43nikio__wheezy
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04:01.57dvsnikio__: it is part of the util-linux package which is a required package.
04:02.20nikio__dvs so how come i dont have it? is it not on CD 1  of the latest wheezy ?
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04:03.25dvsnikio_: dpkg -l util-linux
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04:03.50nikio_dvs you think it could be because it wasnt on cd 1?
04:04.05nikio_dvs i get ii
04:04.15dvsnikio_: so the command is there.
04:04.28nikio_arghhh
04:04.38nikio_so sorry i did hwlock instead of clock
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04:04.55dvsit's neither
04:05.01nikio_vr 07 nov 2014 06:04:23 CET  -0.141238 seconds
04:05.09nikio_yes its hwclock
04:05.11nikio_sorry
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04:05.52nikio_dvs that was the output
04:05.58nikio_so it shows the wrong time too
04:06.17dvsnikio_: So you're BIOS clock is not set to UTC.  That's the problem
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04:07.25nikio_dvs why did  cat /etc/adjtime give UTC then?
04:07.55dvsnikio_: The system expects the BIOS clock to be set to UTC, but it's not.
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04:18.17dragonflyI just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and now dovecot seems to have quit working, cannot even connect to the server from my client....google doesn't seem to be helping
04:18.51dragonflyanyone else have any issues with the upgrade?
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04:26.53FoxhoundzHello Debian
04:26.58Foxhoundzis Jessie stable yet
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04:27.53illyhi Foxhoundz
04:27.59illyi dont think it is
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04:31.07vookI'm thinking about filing a bug report regarding the split second exposure of the desktop after a system has been awakened, before xscreensaver requests a password. Seems like a problem that shouldn't exist. Which package is likely responsible for this? Not xscreensaver I'm guessing.
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04:38.16Foxhoundzweird question
04:38.28FoxhoundzCan I install debian via ssh?
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04:41.43vookyes
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04:42.34vookhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole
04:42.50vookYou can even do it without touching the machine if you are savvy
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05:03.10bosherguys i need help
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05:03.29bosheri've a problem with 0ad in fedora 20
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05:04.26heuristbosher: this is #debian debian and fedora have very little in common. maybe try #fedora
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05:05.53goldenlightis there a debian distro that runs on smart phones ?
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05:10.26relaxedgoldenlight: kind of, https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid
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05:11.50goldenlightthat could be a way
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05:17.30FlowRisergoldenlight, actually there is!
05:17.34FlowRisersorta
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05:18.17FlowRisergoldenlight, try Lil Debi
05:18.51FlowRiserIt was contributed last Google Summer Of Code by my friend Kumar
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05:20.30j4s0nmchr1st0sFind a debian 4 torrent.
05:20.37^vcan i convert a normal program into a shared object
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05:21.24FlowRiser^v, what do you mean?
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05:22.14FlowRiserAaand all the mood to study for school is gone
05:22.17^vcan i convert a executable into a .so, which i can load and run the program's main function
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05:23.14FlowRiser^v, yes you can compile a shared library, look it up ^^
05:23.32^v<_> without recompiling
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05:24.33FlowRiser^v, well if you just need to run the main function, just put a symlink to it in /usr/bin or wherever you want and run it by that
05:24.49^vbut that creates a new process
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05:25.40FlowRiserYou could also link it statically then
05:25.51^vwhich is what i am asking
05:25.57^vhow do i do that <_>
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05:27.47FlowRiserwell, that also requires recompiling, unless you have the .o file at hand
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05:30.43FlowRiserI am not aware of other methods to do this, so if you find any please let me know ^^
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05:33.06^vso, i cant load a executable into the current process?
05:33.20^v> easily
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05:36.38FlowRiser^v, I am not aware of any way to do it. Somebody else here might be, though xD
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05:41.43shay_shayDay
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06:01.43kingsley_Why is unstable still using the so called "classic" (1.4) version of GnuPG, when "stable" (2.0) and "modern" (2.1) versions are available?
06:02.38kingsley_http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2014q4/000358.html
06:03.40Simotek-Work-because knowone has gone to the effort of packaging it yet?
06:03.46heuristkingsley_: 1.4 is still current and is used by debian since it does not the agent. 2.0 uses the same algorithms, but requires an agent, 2.0 is a prettier face on the same program (not really true, but true enough for this answer)
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06:05.26heuristSimotek-Work-: kingsley_: systems will never use gpg2, it is a user program only, system level stuff will keep using the simple structure of gpg1.
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06:21.16somiajkingsley_: have you seen the gnupg2 package?
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06:22.55kingsley_somiaj: Not that I recall. Why?
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06:24.21somiajkingsley_: Seems you can get gnupg2 on debian if you wanted as an option, wasn't sure if you were just couriours or wanting gnupg 2.
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06:33.04cjbaylissI have a Macbook Pro on which I'm running jessie and kworker is using about 75% all the time. Is that right? here is the output from perf: http://sprunge.us/NjeU
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06:55.42pceubuntu work on my notebook but debi not
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06:55.50pcemaybe the x config
06:55.59HarisHas debian also shifted to mariadb or are you guys still with oracle mysql to-date ?
06:56.27mat619Hi guys - need your advice: We've got an old squeeze server here that had an unnoticable filesystem error due to a secretly dying HDD - it unfortunately didn't surface in SMART values or when doing fscks earlier. We were able to clone the HDD and repair the filesystem, but soon after we noticed that the binaries for dpkg, dpkg-deb and some from apt-utils were missing.
06:56.29pceyou can on debian install what ever you whant
06:57.07pcemat619, how old is the hd? buy a new one ;)
06:57.09mat619Unfortunately rolling back to the oldest available backup isn't going to help, because the filesystem error is included in that backup already. :(   Any ideas how to verify if anything else apart from those few binaries is missing?
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06:57.25mat619pce: we already did.
06:57.30pcegoooood
06:57.42pcehd's are the best invest
06:57.52pcemake toy sys fast
06:57.59pcetoy=you
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06:59.11pceyou can download the whole internet local and just update the sites you are really visiting, so you stop the se fuck ..
06:59.25cjbaylissmat619: when was the last backup taken?
06:59.25Harispce: was that for me ?
06:59.28pcenutch.apache.org
06:59.35pcenutch is java
06:59.51pceHaris, do you like java and helping our org run a se?
07:00.00pcewebsearchengine the dom name
07:00.21mat619cjbayliss: the latest is a few days old, the oldest several months. unfortunately none of those is okay... we tried to restore several, but all had the filesystem corruption upon closer inspection
07:00.40Harisnot right now. I was asking about mysql
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07:01.59cjbaylissmat619: so even the oldest backup has a corrupted filesystem?
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07:02.45mat619cjbayliss: yeah, sadly. the filesystem error unfortunately didn't surface unless you checked it with fsck's really extra-thorough inspection methods... not something we usually do when verifying backup's integrity  :/
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07:17.20nikio_Hey im trying to do
07:17.20nikio_http://lifehacker.com/how-to-dual-boot-and-virtualize-the-same-partiti
07:17.20nikio_on-on-y-493223329 but im unsure about step 3 of step 2 but im unsure
07:17.20nikio_about step 4 of step 2: Run the following command: sudo nano
07:17.20nikio_/home/yourusername/Desktop/iso/boot/grub/grub.cfg Scroll down to the
07:17.20nikio_section that says "menuentry 'Windows'" or something similar, and
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07:18.48cjbaylissmat619: http://sprunge.us/YVGV
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07:20.04cjbaylissmat619: that will not work if find lists the content of both filesystems in a differant order, but it gives you an idea.
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07:24.27nikio_why cant i do grub-mkrescue -o boot.iso /home/yourusername/Desktop/iso/
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07:24.41nikio_i mean why cant i do apt-get install xorizzo
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07:26.39nikio_hmm nm
07:27.21cjbaylissnikio_: because xorizzo is not in debian. xorriso is.
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07:30.44mat619cjbayliss: good hint, thanks! will look into it
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08:57.49grzesiekHI
08:57.58grzesiekI installed new kernel, but I don't reboot system and now I can't load tun module
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08:58.11grzesiekI read about this, and looks like I must do reboot
08:58.18grzesiekDid exist any way to load module without reboot?
08:58.26EadaroNobody's gonna help you unless you give some information about what you tried, logs etc
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08:58.59grzesiekmodprobe tun
08:58.59grzesiekERROR: could not insert 'tun': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
08:59.14grzesiek[2598539.742400] tun: Unknown symbol ipv6_proxy_select_ident (err 0)
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09:00.17somiajgrzesiek: modprobe -r module will remove it, then modprobe module will load it again
09:00.25somiajyou can unload and load it with different options this way to
09:00.32ChrisHgrzesiek: check https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767836
09:01.06EadaroWas looking into that, guess rebooting is not an option
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09:24.12SOUL_OF_R00Tnice morning guys !
09:24.23joltTop of the morning to you!
09:24.35SOUL_OF_R00T:)
09:24.44SOUL_OF_R00Tfor you too...
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09:49.58DirksonHey all. How does one set up a wpa2 connection on debian these days? The installer did it fine, but the method in the debian wiki doesn't seem to function
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09:50.27dark_bhi, this question goes out to all terminal experts. I have a buch of files all in one folder that needed to be renamed. The new filename should keep the first 8 characters/positions, delete everything what is between that beginning and the file extention. I have read these 2 links:
09:50.27dark_bhttp://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-bulk-rename-files-in-linux-in-the-terminal
09:50.27dark_bhttp://www.anaesthetist.com/mnm/perl/Findex.htm#regex.htm
09:50.27dark_bAnd this is my command that I entered: rename -n -v 's/(\d{8})/$1/' *.jpg
09:50.27dark_bWhat am I doing wrong?
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09:51.08dark_bhi, this question goes out to all terminal experts. I have a buch of files all in one folder that needed to be renamed. The new filename should keep the first 8 characters/positions, delete everything what is between that beginning and the file extention. I have read these 2 links:
09:51.16dark_b<PROTECTED>
09:51.24dark_bhttp://www.anaesthetist.com/mnm/perl/Findex.htm#regex.htm
09:51.35dark_bAnd this is my command that I entered: rename -n -v 's/(\d{8})/$1/' *.jpg  What am I doing wrong?
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09:55.47heuristdark_b: your regex says to replace the first 8 numbers with the first 8 numbers. so it does nothing. if you want numbers you can try  rename 's/(\d{8}).*/$1/' *.jpg
09:56.28dark_bheurist: ok and what if I want to say the first 8 positions?
09:57.03heuristdark_b: \d matches a digit. use . to match anything.  so rename 's/(.{8}).*/$1/' *.jpg
09:57.30dark_bheuris: cool, thanks :(
09:57.33dark_b:(
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10:11.52dark_bheurist: and what if I wanted to save '#12' for the renaming with $1? I konw about (\d{2}), but what about the '#'?
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10:14.07heuristdark_b: explain? what do your filenames look like and what do you want them to look like afterwards?
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10:15.53dark_bheurist: is ok, I figured it out
10:15.56heuristdark_b: if you mean you want a literal # sign then use a # sign. (#\d{2})
10:16.12dark_bheurist: yes the hash
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10:19.10heuristdark_b: these are called "regular expressions". there are some variations on exactly what works where, but a site like http://www.regular-expressions.info/ has lots of examples and explanations. they are used in lots of tools and are worth having a passing knowledge of.
10:19.44dark_bheurist: thank you for the link :)
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10:47.12cummingssonHi, I have a bash script which I need www-data to be able to execute. The program itself kills a specific process. I have made root the owner of the file but I am trying to figure out the sticky bit? Shouldnt it be chmod IDPERMISSION example chmod 33755 were 33 is the user id for www-data?
10:47.17cummingssonShouldnt that make apache able to run it?
10:47.20cummingssonas root
10:48.38tyllcummingsson: the suid bit usesd the actual owner of the file, there is no UID encoded in the permissions afaik
10:48.44SOUL_OF_R00Tcummingsson, try sudoers file
10:49.02cummingssonSOUL_OF_R00T: what you mean? Should I make apache root? No :p
10:49.28SOUL_OF_R00Tno
10:49.38SOUL_OF_R00Tonly the program you need
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10:49.56SOUL_OF_R00Thave a syntax for that with a line in sudoers
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10:51.15cummingssonfk I do not understand... Do I need to install sudo?
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10:56.04Stummicummingsson, tyll: actually, suid won't work with script files
10:56.22Stummicummingsson, yes, sudo is the best way I think
10:56.34cummingssonok, cause I added www-data ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /xbuild/kill.sh in the sudoers file
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10:58.46cummingssonafter adding this www-data ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /xbuild/kill.sh to visudo shouldnt I be able to run su -u root /xbuild/kill.sh from the www-data user?
10:59.25cummingssonsu -c /xbuild/stop-smdr.sh *
11:00.00cummingssonno, I am still prompted for a password
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11:20.33iveevueHas Debian frozen yet?
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11:23.52Brigoiveevue, 5th november, yes
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11:26.42iveevueDid GPG 2.1 manage to get in?
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12:00.08kristijonasHow to disable nvidia legacy drivers so I can use standart ones?
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12:03.30kristijonasI used nvidia 96xx legacy drivers, but I changed my graphic card to another and x server does not start
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12:14.02iveevuekristijonas, uninstall them?
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12:14.22kristijonasiveevue, how?
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12:15.37cloudowindhello everyone how can i add or remove an application and related process from startup?from inittab?i checked inittab couldnt find anything about it
12:15.40Brigokristijonas, what is your new graphic card?
12:16.01Brigocloudowind, what application?
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12:16.09kristijonasBrigo, Radeon 9600
12:16.14cloudowindbringo i wanna be able to do it?
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12:16.35BrigoKrigsforbryter, then you need the radeon or rflgrx drivers
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12:17.13kristijonasBrigo, how do I install it?
12:17.14Brigocloudowind, you can install or remove package with apt-get and aptitude from command line, for a graphical interface try synaptic
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12:17.29heuristcloudowind: update-rc.d $sname disable  might be what you are looking for,
12:17.38cloudowindi am talking about the applications and processes being startup by init
12:17.51BrigoKrigsforbryter, try first radeon: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
12:17.55cloudowindheurist: isnt that for services?
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12:18.09heuristcloudowind: yes
12:18.18Brigocloudowind, are you using wheezy?
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12:18.22cloudowindyup
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12:18.35Brigocloudowind, then heurist is right.
12:18.46cloudowindyea but service doesnt means application
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12:19.04cloudowindok i like msconfig
12:19.08heuristcloudowind: if you will tell us what you are trying to stop we can give more advice
12:19.20cloudowindsrry i ment i wanted something a process or application management for startup like
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12:19.37kristijonasBrigo, radeon already installed.
12:19.38cloudowindmsconfig in windows , there you could set the services and the startup processes
12:19.50cloudowindok hold on then
12:20.05BrigoKrigsforbryter, are you using gnome and gdm3? wheezy?
12:20.22cloudowindbut desnt linux have something like in windows have in msconfig which sets up services and applications fr startup and default actions for them?
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12:20.36cloudowindi knw update-rc.d does that for services
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12:21.13cloudowindanyway i will do a ps -e --forest and will give you some examples about what makes me sus and what i wanna stop
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12:21.46kristijonasBrigo, xfce and lightdm
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12:21.52Brigocloudowind, systemd do it, but not systemV
12:21.55cloudowindand also i wanna set up a default startup without starting my bluetooth device , i dont wanna remove the driver from my system but just wanted it to stay turned off until i turn it on ..
12:22.00cloudowindam i asking too much?:D
12:22.05cloudowindsorry
12:22.07Brigokristijonas, then service lightdm restart
12:22.18cloudowindBrigo: am i using systemv?
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12:22.50kristijonasBrigo, it doesnt not start.
12:22.54cloudowindi am thinking init doing that and checked the inittab with the hope of t see some settings about the startup apps
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12:23.39heuristcloudowind: give us an example of one of these apps and we can help you understand what is making it run.
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12:23.52cloudowind<PROTECTED>
12:23.57cloudowindwhat is this tracker store?
12:24.15cloudowindand also i am trying to understand the thing heurist not just trying to accomplish
12:24.19kristijonasBrigo, just _ simbol flashes.
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12:24.39cloudowindi mean there are heaps of applications being started up at the end of the boot or during the boot i hjust wanted to control them
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12:24.46cloudowindi know how to do about services
12:24.52cloudowindbut didnt know about processes
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12:25.22kombidreaded nic rtl8111/8168 <- must I hand roll the driver from rtl?
12:25.30Brigokristijonas, there are problems, then. May be radeon does not support your card, or something, Can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log into paste.debian.net?
12:25.36heuristcloudowind: that is possibly run from /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker-store.desktop so your Desktop Environment is running it, not init.
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12:26.10Brigocloudowind, that applications are desktop environment related, gnome3 starts them.
12:26.29Brigoor the desktop environment you are running.
12:26.31cloudowindhmm so i have /etc/xdg/autostart/ for that purpose then
12:26.52kristijonasBrigo, i dont know how to do it... as my desktop environment does not start
12:26.55Brigocloudowind, not sure, i do not use it.
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12:27.07heuristcloudowind: http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
12:27.16Brigokristijonas, intall pastebininit
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12:27.53Brigoand then cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebininit -b paste.debian.net
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12:28.39cloudowindbut say what am i gonna do with  2821 ?        00:00:00 bluetoothd
12:28.56cloudowindi want this deamon to be turned off until i turn it on again
12:29.02cloudowindthanks heurist i am checking that
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12:29.42kristijonasBrigo, unknown website, please report to request this pastebim to be added (paste.debian.net)
12:30.13Brigokristijonas, weird
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12:30.18Brigothen forget the -b
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12:30.25Brigo<PROTECTED>
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12:30.34Brigoand paste here the output url
12:30.54Brigocloud
12:31.03Brigocloudowind, i think it is a service
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12:31.19Brigobluetooth service
12:31.21cloudowindisnt that a module?
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12:31.30cloudowindoh ok i was thinking it in a module level
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12:31.44cloudowindso u can use update-rc.d
12:31.45Brigocloudowind, you only see modules with lsmod
12:31.46cloudowindfor that
12:32.01Brigocloudowind, yes you can use it.
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12:32.40kristijonasBrigo, http://paste.debian.net/130730/
12:32.44cloudowindand trying to sort out this $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS variable
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12:33.28Brigokristijonas, ah, we have to update the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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12:33.43BrigoXorg is istill using nvidia driver.
12:33.50cloudowindheurist: then simply when i move the file from /etc/xdg/autostart/ then it wont start hey?
12:33.51Brigoyou have to edit it
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12:34.19heuristcloudowind: $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is ~/.config/  so put the .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart/
12:34.29cloudowindbecause i couldnt find a config file or a list which has this info in it
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12:36.30cloudowindhey heurist
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12:36.43cloudowindi just cat the .desptop file and it looks like easy to cpnfigure
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12:36.58cloudowindthey have this in most f them X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true
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12:37.05cloudowindthanks alot mate
12:37.29cloudowindfor teaching me another thingi
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12:37.41cloudowindBrigo: thanks alot to you too mate
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12:37.59Brigocloudowind, np :)
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12:38.03heuristcloudowind: see the http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html  link from the first page. it describes the format of the .desktop files.
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12:38.47cloudowindthanks heaps
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12:39.02kristijonasBrigo, how to edit xorg?
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12:39.28Brigokristijonas, with a editor like 'nano'
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12:39.45Brigotry nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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12:40.19Brigosearch for a line with driver nvidia (or so) and change 'nvidia' for 'radeon'.
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12:44.15cloudowindone more question , say i written a script and want to run it every boot time , am i gonna do it with update-rc.d myscript ?
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12:44.47heuristcloudowind: calling it from /etc/rc.local is about the simplest
12:45.00cloudowindok love you
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12:45.28cloudowindwhat if i want this to be a user specific?
12:45.39heuristcloudowind: use su
12:45.50cloudowindi mean for a specific user
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12:46.18heuristcloudowind: su $username -c command  see man su
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12:47.38ChrisHWhich daemon is fiddeling with: /run/user/1000/pulse driectory causing aply to fail with "Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Keine Berechtigung" and causing volume to be at 100% I found a fixed systemd bug report only.
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12:48.32heuristcloudowind: if you mean you only want it to run when a specific user logs in (instead of at boot) then add it to that user's /home/$username/.config/autostart/
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12:49.48cloudowindi will check it what about profile.d?
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12:50.19heuristcloudowind: that will only run when a user opens a shell
12:50.33BrigoChrisH, jessie or wheezy?
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12:51.10cloudowindthen i need to set up a myscript.desktop file for that hey
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12:52.12heuristcloudowind: .desktop is for when they log into X profile.d or .bashrc or ~/.profile is for when they open a shell or log in at a tty
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12:52.29cloudowindbut then isnt that gonna run after and by gdm?i mean i  when set it up this user config thingi under /home/user/.config/austostart
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12:52.51cloudowindi got you
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12:55.05ChrisHBrigo: good point. that box is jessie.
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12:56.07BrigoChrisH, then this directory is created for systemd.
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12:57.32ChrisHI corrected the ownership this morning and it was working again as expected (no error messages and mixer setting was possible) in between it changed. looks like I shuold open a new ticket or reopen the old one.
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12:57.38BrigoChrisH, systemctl status run-user-1000.mount
12:57.43holden87Hey guys! So Gnome for Jessie was frozen with version 3.14? that's great news, i thought it will be 3.12 :)
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12:58.17BrigoChrisH, it is a virtual directory, it is created when needed.
12:58.32Brigoand not in a disk but in memory
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12:58.47Brigo,v gnome
12:58.48juddPackage: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; sid: 1:3.8+8; jessie: 1:3.8+8
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12:59.06ChrisHBrigo: the diretory does exists, only the /run/user/1000/pulse directory is owned by root unstead of the user with udi 1000
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12:59.57holden87judd: Hmmm, this site says different...https://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/
13:00.03BrigoChrisH, you mean pulse directory permissions, not 1000?
13:00.40Brigoholden87, yes, may be gnome package -wich is virtual- was not updated, but gdm3, for example is 3.14, yes.
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13:00.57Brigo,v gdm3
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13:00.58juddPackage: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-1; sid: 3.14.1-1
13:01.07cloudowindheurist: sorry but what am i going to do if i wanna do these changes for root?or and su?
13:01.33cloudowindfor both autostart for xwindow and tty?
13:01.35ChrisHBrigo: yes http://paste.debian.net/130735/
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13:01.54Brigocloudowind, are you using Xorg like root?
13:02.08heuristcloudowind: root should not log in to X. what are you trying to do?
13:02.18cloudowindi checked /root/.config doesnt have autostart like /home/user does
13:02.20cloudowindbrigo no
13:02.27holden87Brigo: thanks for your answer, so basically we can expect gnome 3.14 when Jessie comes out?
13:02.30BrigoChrisH, i see, then it should be a pulse problem or a problem with its configuration.
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13:02.47Brigoholden87, yes, of course. :)
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13:02.58dracchttp://paste.debian.net/130736/ <- How is this even possible?
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13:03.08heuristcloudowind: /root/.config/autostart would only be useful if root was loging into X, which root is not.
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13:03.23cloudowindwhat about the script i want to run when root logins , is it gonna be from /root/bashrc or and what was the other one
13:03.31BrigoChrisH, are pulseaudion launched on boot or from X starts?
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13:03.38cloudowindok for that
13:03.39kristijonasBrigo, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
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13:04.01heuristcloudowind: bashrd runs *every* time a shell is started, do you want it run every time?
13:04.09Brigokristijonas, is there a directory /etc/X11/xorg.d ?
13:04.33cloudowindno in every boot
13:04.40ChrisHBrigo: I found 731300 Systemd messes /run/user/$ID at startup ; Puh. DE is KDE and pulseaudio is running as the expected (non-root) user.. Dunno who starts it.
13:04.52heuristcloudowind: run it from /etc/rc.local
13:04.52cloudowindand whenever a root logins to a shell lets say
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13:05.00cloudowindok
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13:05.17Brigo731300 is a bug?
13:05.33kristijonasBrigo, how do check if the dir exists?
13:05.45ChrisHBrigo: yep. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731300
13:05.53Brigols -l /etc/X11/ and check the output :)
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13:07.41kristijonasBrigo, http://paste.debian.net/130738
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13:09.30BrigoChrisH, yes it looks like your bug
13:09.33holden87Brigo: Thanks!
13:10.09Brigoholden87, np :)
13:10.27Brigokristijonas, yes, you have, line 9
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13:10.52Brigocan you exec ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
13:11.09cloudowindi will sleep , thanks a lot again good day mates
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13:12.11BrigoChrisH, you can try asking in debian-systemd for more qualified people :)
13:12.12sol_invictusHi everyone, I recently updated to debian jessie and hibernate stopped working. It just blanks the screen and everything hangs. Any ideas?
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13:12.58kristijonasBrigo, 20-nvidia.conf, the content of the file: http://paste.debian.org/130739
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13:13.28Brigokristijonas, nice :)
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13:13.59Brigokristijonas, this links is wrong, .net do you meant?
13:14.17kristijonasBrigo, http://paste.debian.net/130739 *, yes
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13:14.56Brigoin the line 3 change nvidia by radeon.
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13:16.15kristijonasBrigo, changes saved. Reboot?
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13:16.34BrigoKrigsforbryter, no, service lightdm start
13:16.49Brigokristijonas, you was using ligthdm, right?
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13:17.13kristijonasBrigo, yes. And it worked! Thanks!! :)
13:17.34Brigokristijonas, good for you.
13:17.39Brigogtg now.
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13:18.02kristijonasBrigo, bye!
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13:42.25kotnikhi, I have a problem I never encountered before: apt-get wants to upgrade package of the same version that is installed, over and over again
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13:48.48babilendpkg: tell kotnik -about bat
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13:49.25kotnikbabilen: about bat?
13:49.31babilenyes
13:49.34babilendpkg: bat
13:49.34dpkgIn order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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13:49.48babilenkotnik: Our bot should have sent you ^^ in a private message
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13:50.04kotnikbabilen: oh, ok, thanks
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13:53.11kotnikbabilen: looks like I've been hit with: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574072
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13:56.06babilenkotnik: So, please provide the information and it should be easy to figure out a way to help you ;)
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13:56.35kotnikbabilen: this is basically it: http://paste.debian.net/130742/
13:56.42kotnikbabilen: thanks for taking a look
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13:57.38babilenkotnik: You have some weird pinning going on there and I am not entirely sure why apt-get doesn't treat both as similar ... Not a Debian package by the looks of it.
13:58.04babilenAnd the bug you mentioned has been fixed ages ago
13:58.15kotnikbabilen: my working hypothesis is that shasums differ somehow
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13:58.44babilenThat might be the case, but that shouldn't happen for identical packages. I would contact AWS support about this as their packages clearly are poopy ;)
13:58.52kotnikbabilen: and pin is super simple: http://paste.debian.net/130744/
13:59.10kotnikbabilen: no, that's my package, it's only hosted in AWS S3
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14:00.08babilenAh, okay. That opens up complete new error possibilities :D
14:00.18babilen(e.g. "how do you manage your repository?")
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14:03.53kotnikbabilen: it's simple repository managed with reprepro
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14:08.25critiaswhat is the owner:group of /etc/apache2/*.conf?
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14:09.33kotnikbabilen: this is the bottom line: http://paste.debian.net/130747/
14:09.41jordanmcritias: root:root as most things in /etc should be
14:09.46kotnikbabilen: there seems to be 2 packages, but only one *is* in the repository
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14:10.25critiascd sites-a*
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14:19.21kotnikbabilen: I colleague figured it out, there is but dependency in the control [(>= 0.6.1-), note - there]
14:19.55kotnikbabilen: and reprepro and dpkg have different parsers for control files
14:20.10kotnikbabilen: so, this might be an issue in reprepro or dpkg, as well
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14:31.15claw_http://paste.debian.net/130620/
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14:31.24claw_anybody knows how i could get this fixed ?
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14:43.53shay_shayclaw_: dpkg --configure udev
14:43.57shay_shayWhat it say
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14:44.22shay_shayI hope it returns more than just "1" lol
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14:45.05claw_nope same as in the paste
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14:45.12claw_Errors were encountered while processing:
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14:46.28illyif founda hideen service/process runing, how do i track it?
14:46.51shay_shayHire a private investigator xD
14:46.52grosjeanilly: strace/ltrace gdb etc ...
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14:53.09ompaulphre4k: fix them don't complain ;-)
14:53.24grosjean:)
14:53.32ompaulphre4k: the date is set when the number goes to 0
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15:03.54illygrosjean: ty
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15:08.47illygrosjean: whats the syntax for strace please?
15:09.10grosjeanstrace /path/to/your/binary
15:09.12grosjeanor
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15:09.25grosjeanstrace -p pid_of_your_binary
15:09.28Herculeshow to install pip on debian 7.0 ?
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15:09.32grosjeanman strace
15:09.33Herculesthrew apt ?
15:09.55grosjeanapt-get install python-pip
15:10.01grosjeansomething like that
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15:10.13Herculesokay
15:10.20grosjeanpip.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html
15:10.31Herculesok
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15:11.46Herculesthnx, that apt command worked grosjean.
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15:12.05grosjeani've juste copy paste the docs ....
15:12.14grosjeanso strange
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15:13.32grosjeanmaybe I can read what others can not?
15:13.35grosjeanso strange
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15:17.47dayim trying to understand compose keys. It looks like i have to press compose key followed by the two characters i want to join
15:18.05day> compose key > ` > a = `a
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15:18.28daywindows does it much easier by simply translating `a to '`a'
15:18.55daythe `  becomes the compose key + character. Is that impossible with linux?
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15:24.43HerculesHello, how to check that csf firewall is running ?
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15:26.15Walexday: "easier" is a bit questionable.
15:26.41Walexday: what you want is called "dead keys". Or else an "input method"
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15:27.23Walexday: to understand why there is a COMPOSE key, try COMPOSE+a+e
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15:27.36dayWalex: it is much quicker to hit the spacebar from time to time, instead of having to press triple key combos imho
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15:28.05Walexpress the space bar after every "a"? :-)
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15:28.56dayWalex: no after every ... goddamnit i dont have the key on my keyboard T_T
15:29.13dayi wanted to use this paragraph key..but it doesnt exist on the qwerty keyboaqrd
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15:29.48Walexday: your options are: LEVEL3 shift, COMPOSE, input methods, dead key. They are all possible.
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15:30.20Walexday: LEVEL3 shift is essentially "AltGr"
15:30.22dayi guess i go with the compose key then
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15:31.11Walexday: I tend to use LEVEL3 shift (AltGr/Menu key) and COMPOSE (mapped to CapsLock).
15:31.33daymy first issue is, where do i activate the compose key? i found the xkb/rules/base.lst file and i copied the example file to ~/.XCompose
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15:32.18Walexday: depends a bit on your desktop environment, some have very convenient GUI applets to set keyboard options.
15:32.29daythe last one contains many <Multi_key> combos. I guess i have to setup the Multi_key somewhere
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15:32.49Walexday: if your desktop environment does not provide one, steal it from another desktop environment.
15:33.14Walexday: otherwise use 'setxkbmap' or the Keyboard options string in 'Xorg.conf'
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15:36.58Walexday: setkbmap examples: http://milkandtang.com/blog/2013/02/22/using-caps-lock-as-a-compose-key-in-xfce4/ http://blog.ssokolow.com/archives/2011/12/24/getting-your-way-with-setxkbmap/
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15:39.29Herculeshello, how to install library of ncurses threw apt for psybnc ?
15:40.45dayWalex: i added Option          "XkbOptions"    "compose:rwin" to xorg.conf
15:40.52daylets see if it was enough :/
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15:42.09day:(
15:42.29illygrosjean: but if i knew the pid id already kill it?
15:42.31illythis is all i got
15:42.38illyHIDDEN Processes Found: 1Isysinfo.procs = 228   ps_count = 230
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15:42.41THE_GFR|WORKhey everyone is there a remote desktop program for debian that is better but as easy to use as vino-server for remote desktop?
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15:45.46dayWalex: :) setxkbmap -option compose:caps did the trick
15:46.01pagiosshello i am trying to install odoo on my system added to source,list: deb http://nightly.openerp.com/8.0/nightly/deb/ ./ getting an error on apt-update W: Failed to fetch http://nightly.openerp.com/8.0/nightly/deb/./Packages.gz  404  Not Found
15:46.01pagiossany idea?
15:46.08WalexHercules: if a library is required by a program it will be automagically pulled in by 'apt-get'
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15:46.28WalexTHE_GFR|WORK: that's pretty vague :-)
15:46.56Walexpagioss: thanks for letting us know that a repo somewhere is in the process of being updated :-)
15:47.13pagiossWalex: ?
15:47.20JamesGatzHi.  I have been using Courier for years for my personal domain but have been thinking of switching to another secure imap/smtp server.  Any recommendations?
15:47.31Walexday: good good, you seen the light :-)
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15:47.51JamesGatzI have very few users, but kind of a lot of email data.
15:47.53Walexday: I also recommend -option lv3:ralt_switch
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15:48.27WalexJamesGatz: Dovecot of course...
15:48.31nyuszika7hany chance of apt 1.x being backported to wheezy?
15:49.11pagiossWalex: how to solve?
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15:49.40Walexpagioss: I am not sure that you understand the situation...
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15:50.09Walexpagioss: there is a missing file on a web site somewhere. This is the #Debian channel :-).
15:50.10pagiossnop
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15:51.01Walexpagioss: if there is a problem with that repo, the repo owners are the right people to contact. Also when a repo table of contents is being updated sometimes things get incosistent for a bit.
15:51.20pagiossso repo problems
15:51.53Walexpagioss: probably *transient* repor problems.
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16:03.30brontosaurusrexin gnome-shell, how would one move window-buttons to the left?
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16:05.40darthanubislol
16:05.44darthanubisreally?
16:05.58darthanubisstop using gnome and run unity
16:06.55mitchrewardstop using fake wm, use awesome wm
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16:08.57KiritoCinnamon anyone?
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16:09.22brontosaurusrexactually you are right, this thingy is useless even just for playing around in vbox
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16:09.23pagiossE: Package 'python-requests' has no installation candidate
16:09.26pagiossplease help
16:10.30KiritoThe "Windows Buttons" depend on your window border skin/theme/template/whatever
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16:11.11KiritoI think that's the case with Gnome anyways
16:11.44darthanubisnope
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16:13.15pagiossE: Package 'python-requests' has no installation candidate
16:13.17pagiosshow to solve!?
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16:16.31Selveste1pagioss: first check on packages.debian.org if the package is in reposotroy - if it is and you have it added to your source.list then apt-get update and try again
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16:17.31starkI need to load the intel-ucode image but i'm getting kernel panics
16:17.45pagiossSelfarian: it is not there
16:17.55starkMy setup is a little bit complicated
16:18.02Selveste1pagioss: in the case of the packages in question it is, so just run apt-get update and check if it hasn't become accessebel https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-requests
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16:18.32pagiossSelfarian: i am using squeeze not wheezy
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16:18.42pagiossSelveste1:
16:18.45Selveste1then you have to get it from backports
16:18.51Selveste1https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/python-requests
16:18.52frostschutzstark, I don't know. If not, you'll have to cat them yourself
16:19.05starkdebian's grub is the main loader and the ucode image is for archlinux,
16:19.30Selveste1the install process from there will then be apt-get -t squeeze-backports install python-requests
16:20.05Selveste1after you have added that to you source.list and have updated apt (apt-get update)
16:20.05starkfrostschutz: thats the issue, i just added the ucode lines and i'm getting kernel panics so i had to remove those lines from grub.cfg
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16:21.41starkthe question is can wheezy's grub load two initrd images ?
16:22.02starki read newer versions of doesn't have this issue
16:23.26silverdustHow can I know what package manager was used to install a program
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16:23.37silverdustI have rails installed but it's not in my rubygems list
16:23.45frostschutzstark, again, I don't know, but you can do it yourself (cat initrd1.gz initrd2.gz > initrdcombined.gz) and then load that one
16:23.54silverdustand I've tried 'dpkg -r' and 'apt-get remove'
16:24.25silverdustI can't remember how it was installed. Now I need to uninstall and install with gem
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16:24.29illyHIDDEN Processes Found: 1Isysinfo.procs = 228   ps_count = 230 -> How do i find out what it is/track it so i can terminate/purge it? used unhide forensics tool to check for hidden programs runing on the system
16:24.38Selveste1pagioss: did it solv your issue?
16:24.42Selveste1*solve
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16:25.20starkfrostschutz: thats a bit confusing, i can cat image files and the code mergers into one image ?
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16:26.27Selveste1stark: it outs the one fil after the other, in one single file - it doesn't merge them as it sounds linke you think :)
16:26.34Selveste1*puts
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16:28.56starkSelveste1: Hmm alright i'll give it a try
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16:29.07starkthanks Selveste1 and frostschutz :)
16:30.06Selveste1stark: you're welcome, best of luck
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16:41.47starkSelveste1: they are initramfs-linux.img files can this still be done ?
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16:48.18pagiosshi guys do i need to download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso only to install debian or need the 3 dvds?
16:48.50FlowRiserpagioss, just the first one
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16:49.09pagiossFlowRiser: the others are optional packages that can be retrieved by apt-get right?
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16:56.28zir0faivepagioss: exactly
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16:57.18RoyKpagioss: you just need cd1
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16:57.29RoyKpagioss: if you're on low bandwith, that can save you some time
16:57.56RoyKpagioss: cd as pre-dvd :P
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17:30.56CapprenticeHi! Im trying to configure transparent Squid Cache for my LAN users on a bridge (br0); I've followed this guide: http://simpleguysinfo.blogspot.com/2008/01/ubuntu-710-bridge-transparent-proxy.html, the problem Im facing is Squid is not allowing any http traffic through its cache! Im not getting any from squid either!! How should I set the rouing to that Brige works?
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17:32.24Capprentice**error/data or warning from cache!
17:32.56nullbyte_what version of KDE uses debian7.7
17:32.57nullbyte_?
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17:33.08Brigo,v kde
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17:36.27CapprenticeUmm! Anyone ??
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17:48.02WalexCapprentice: that guide should tell you...
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17:52.59CapprenticeWalex, :/ As I have already mentioned, I have followed it and Squid does not work!
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18:10.42WeggOSnews reported Jessie's feature freeze.
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18:10.48Wegghttp://www.osnews.com/story/28039/Debian_8_0_Jessie_enters_feature_freeze
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18:13.24Lady_AleenaHello. If a program were unstable, Debian stable (Wheezy now) would not have it included, correct?
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18:13.57grosjeanhmm
18:14.08grosjeanprogram could have bug
18:14.24Lady_AleenaFor example, Debian would not use Perl 5.14.2 if it were unstable.
18:14.51grosjeanis it unstable ?
18:15.32onoruaGuys, did anyone started up the IPv6 on VLAN interface in dualstack?
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18:15.51onoruastatic IPv4 + static IPv6
18:16.12grosjeanyes
18:16.31onoruaon VLAN interface, right?
18:16.48Leoneofis there selinux gui in debian repo?
18:16.55grosjeanonorua: why ?
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18:18.19onoruagrosjean, http://pastie.org/9703257
18:18.29Lady_Aleenagrosjean, no, it is wondeful!
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18:18.48onoruathis configuration bring up ipv4 if I do ifup vlan4010
18:18.53onoruabut not ipv6
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18:20.22onoruaand I don't know how can I get the IPv6 stack up :(
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18:20.48grosjeaninet6 static ?
18:20.56grosjeaninstead of manual ?
18:21.00Lady_Aleenagrosjean, I am writing a message to cPanel, the software my web host uses which uses perl 5.8.8 (ugh), and would like to say "If Debian feels Perl 5.14.2 is stable enough for their stable version, you should too!"
18:21.25grosjeanah ok Lady_Aleena
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18:22.20Lady_AleenaI get the impression Debian testers take a long, long time to make sure software is stable before they make it available for the stable release.
18:22.59onoruagrosjean, thank you!
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18:23.25onoruaI was reading the documentation but this is something I completely missed, I knew it's something really simple
18:23.32grosjeanit is working ?
18:23.43grosjeanLady_Aleena: exactly
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18:24.05Lady_AleenaWhich is why Wheezy is using a 3 year old version of Perl.
18:24.13crypto_guyhi, isn't bad for debian 8 to use a "EOL kernel" (3.16)?
18:24.21onoruagrosjean, yes, it does :)
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18:24.35DammitJimhey, don't be bashing wheezy... my servers are running that!
18:24.37DammitJim:-P
18:24.52grosjeanonorua: cool
18:25.32grosjeancrypto_guy: https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html
18:25.54Lady_AleenaDammitJim, I'm running Wheezy, too. I just feel bad when I tell people the version of their software I am using, and they give me strange looks. (Especially the KDE people who can't believe I am using such an OLD version.)
18:26.07grosjean:)
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18:26.29DammitJimnothing wrong with old versions if they are stable and do what one needs to do
18:26.41DammitJimnow, if one needs a desktop/laptop, that's different
18:26.48DammitJimwhat does your wheezy do?
18:26.57Lady_AleenaDammitJim, I've been told newer versions of KDE might not be such memory hogs.
18:27.11DammitJimoh... that could be true
18:27.18grosjeanyou can mix version of debian if you want :)
18:27.32DammitJimgrosjean, the alarm just went off, did you hear it?
18:27.39DammitJimjust be careful about mixing
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18:28.25grosjean:)
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18:28.38netstardebian just works hah
18:28.52grosjeanyeah, be very carefull, you must understand exactly w<hat you do when you do it
18:29.21mtngrosjean: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
18:29.37grosjeanyes i know
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18:30.09mtngrosjean: then don't tell folks to mix versions.
18:30.11netstarhaha
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18:30.32grosjean:)
18:30.39Lady_Aleenagrosjean and DammitJim, I am trying to be patient, but it is always hard when I go to play music with KDE's Amarok and my system slows to a crawl.
18:30.52netstarLady_Aleena: !!! what spec is ur computer?#
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18:31.13Lady_Aleenanetstar, hold please.
18:31.14DammitJimLady_Aleena, if I were you, I'd set up a VM and try it out with jessie
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18:32.50Lady_AleenaMy specs: paste.debian.net/130784/
18:33.29netstarhah! it is slow?
18:33.37netstarit's a beast
18:33.40Lady_AleenaDammitJim, I'm too afraid to do much with my computer at the moment out of fear I'll lose everything.
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18:34.02Lady_Aleenanetstar, it is slow when I play music. It is decent enough when I'm not.
18:34.03DammitJimwhy, what is wrong with it?
18:34.14netstarLady_Aleena: try removing "pulseaudio"
18:34.18rovar_is there a tutorial somewhere about pxebooting an installed image (e.g. don't run the installation process)
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18:34.44Lady_AleenaDammitJim, see my comment right before your question. :)
18:34.51rovar_I have a running pxeserver for coreos using dnsmasq
18:35.02rovar_but I don't want to run CoreOS for all things. I want to run debian
18:35.08DammitJimit's a pretty good machine you got there for debian
18:35.09Lady_Aleenanetstar, I tried that once, then it wouldn't play music at all.
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18:35.50Lady_Aleenapulseaudio + Amarok + IceWeasel = VERY SLOW computer
18:35.55netstarLady_Aleena: do that then use kcontrol (control centre) and change audio output from Pulseaudio to ALSA
18:35.57DammitJimyup
18:36.05DammitJimsorry, not a KDE person
18:36.16DammitJimbut you got a decent machine
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18:37.13netstaralso restart KDE after that
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18:38.26Lady_Aleenanetstar, looks like I don't have kcontrol
18:38.34netstaryou don't?
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18:38.51netstarmaybe I am old fashioned...is there a KDE Control Center?
18:38.57Lady_AleenaNope, bash: kcontrol: command not found
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18:39.05netstaraptitude install kcontrol
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18:39.14netstarYou don't have a proper KDE install
18:39.20netstarunless they removed that
18:39.22netstarhah
18:39.32Lady_AleenaE: Package 'kcontrol' has no installation candidate
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18:40.06wkdanyone know why iredmail would block port 1194 after installing it?
18:40.29netstarapt-get install systemsettings
18:40.36netstarthen run "systemsettings"
18:40.46netstarsorry I havent used KDE since 3.x
18:40.50Lady_Aleenanetstar, let me look around the gui setting stuff.
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18:42.14Lady_AleenaFound it. Okay, my backend SHOULD be GStreamer. I have no idea why my computer defaults to pulseaudio.
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18:44.35netstarLady_Aleena: did it work?
18:45.18Lady_Aleenanetstar, I haven't done anything except look. My system seems to disregard what is in the KDE system settings and uses pulseaudio instead.
18:45.30netstaryou removed pulseaudio?
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18:46.01netstarI would: remove pulseaudio, restart KDE, change sound to GStreamer, restart KDE, launch AmaroK
18:46.29Lady_Aleenanetstar, I'd like to try disabling it first to see if it will still play music with pulseaudio disabled before I remove pulseaudio competely.
18:46.31frangors/KDE/Plasma/g ^_^'
18:46.58netstarfrangor: It's now called plasma?
18:47.04Lady_AleenaI just don't know how to disable pulseaudio.
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18:47.37mtnLady_Aleena: you can remove pulseaudio using synaptic
18:47.47frangorI don't know. I use i3wm but some people have corrected me..
18:48.04Lady_Aleenamtn, I've never heard of synaptic.
18:48.21mtnLady_Aleena: the gui package manager, you shouldn't be without it ;)
18:48.35Lady_Aleenamtn, it is called Apper here.
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18:49.22mtnLady_Aleena: yes, but I always use synaptic. it has been around forever and is very good. either way, it is eas to remove or reinstall pulseaudio. just take it out to try running without pulseaudio.
18:49.57Lady_AleenaI'll be back in a few minutes if this requires a reboot.
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18:50.47netstarmv /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.{conf,old} && alsa restart
18:51.10ValdikSSHello. I have a problem updating to jessie with udev inside openvz container. invoke-rc.d won't start udev, while service works fine. Right now I edited postinst script (commented all invoke-rc.d lines) and it works fine. How do I debug that?
18:51.19Kirito"error in Version string 'server.1.0': version number does not start with digit"
18:51.34KiritoDid this seriously fail to compile after all of that because of this
18:51.48KiritoThat is outlandishly stupid if so
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18:52.24ValdikSSActually, it seems that invoke-rc.d is completely broken
18:52.50KiritoWow, really
18:52.59KiritoSomeone seriously needs to fix Debian's documentation on compiling kernels then
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18:53.10KiritoI just wasted half an hour compiling just for it to error out because of a bad version string
18:53.41Lady_AleenaWait...I'm seeing a lot which confuses me.
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18:58.36KiritoReally, where should I report this as a bug? Because this is beyond dumb and the doc pages have been like this for as long as I can remember
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19:01.41richacKirito: what is wrong with you compiled kernel?
19:01.54KiritoThe problem is here, http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch08s06.html
19:02.04Kirito"Now, compile the kernel: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image. The version number of “1.0” can be changed at will; this is just a version number that you will use to track your kernel builds. Likewise, you can put any word you like in place of “custom” (e.g., a host name)."
19:02.06KiritoThis is wrong.
19:02.16KiritoThe version string has to start with a number.
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19:02.50richacyou have to put it in quotes
19:02.58richac--revision "1.0"
19:03.12Lady_Aleenachickened out.
19:03.30KiritoThe error specifically said the version string has to start with a number, either way the documentation is wrong
19:03.52KiritoIt didn't make me recompile the kernel though
19:03.58KiritoSo it's not actually a big deal
19:04.10richacoh I thought you said it did
19:04.14KiritoI thought it did
19:04.29KiritoIt just built the deb package again after re-running the command though
19:04.32richacI do it like this  # fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-customkernel" --revision "1" --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
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19:04.48richacKirito: http://www.tecmint.com/kernel-compilation-in-debian-linux/
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19:05.54richacLady_Aleena: once you uninstall pulse,  alsa automatically takes over
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19:08.09richacKirito: your right those instructions suck on the page you linked  lol
19:09.16Lady_Aleenarichac, the last time I tried uninstalling something I nearly messed up my entire computer.
19:09.23richaclol
19:09.37richacwhy do you want to uninstall pulse?
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19:10.20Lady_AleenaIt may be what is making my computer so slow while I play music.
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19:10.50KiritoYou understand what pulse is right?
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19:11.22richacLady_Aleena: hmm,   haveyou checked cpu usage?
19:11.54KiritoAudi playback shouldn't be causing CPU issues unless you have tampered with pulse's settings
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19:12.33richacLady_Aleena: what player are you using?
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19:13.24richacamarok is terrible if your using that,  also make sure to turn off all the plugins
19:13.51richaci would use something else instead of amarok,  if thats what your using
19:14.00Lady_AleenaI just turned on music; and Amarok takes over at the top spot on 'top'.
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19:14.24marco_ciao
19:14.30richacturn off all the plugins in it,   if not g with a diff player.   i have complained alot about amarok,   I don't think its maintained anymore
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19:14.48dpkgmarco_: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
19:15.29KiritoI think Audacious is pretty decent isn't it?
19:15.38KiritoI just use Spotify/MPV personally
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19:15.58richaci like banshee
19:16.00KiritoNot much point in using Spotify if you don't have a Spotify account
19:16.19mofinoLady_Aleena, get off that 486 60mhz machine
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19:16.32KiritoAh yeah, Banshee is the one I was trying to remember, I've used Banshee a bit before and it was pretty nice
19:16.33richacamarok also crashes on large playlists,  or when adding too many files to it at once
19:16.39richacits a terrible music player
19:16.39Lady_Aleenamofino, care to buy me a new one?
19:16.42richacthats outdated
19:16.55netstarI use Chrome Browser
19:16.57mofinoLady_Aleena, your husband doesn't like me buying you gifts
19:17.18KiritoYou use Chrome as a music player client?
19:17.26netstarAye
19:17.27Kiritoo_O
19:17.29Lady_Aleenamofino, then I am stuck with this 486 60mhz machine.
19:17.34mofinoLady_Aleena, haha
19:17.36ValdikSSWhy doesn't invoke-rc.d know anything about upstart!?
19:17.49KiritoI use Chrome as my PDF viewer now, hah
19:17.51richacLady_Aleena:  look for a small lightweight music player,
19:17.57netstarvlc is ok
19:18.00richacamarok also has more dependencies then most programs period....its nuts
19:18.05Lady_Aleenanetstar, vlc crashes.
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19:18.48netstaralso afaicr amarok is fugly too
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19:19.05richacNightingale i'm reading is a lightweight songbird
19:19.11mofinoamarok is probably fine, just turn off the visualizations
19:19.17richacmofino: your nuts lol
19:19.19neoncortexrun vlc on an 60mhz machine? xD
19:19.27mofinorichac, been a very long time since I've used it...
19:19.29netstarxmms2?
19:19.34netstarmocp?
19:19.40mofinooh my god, xmms2????  that's old..
19:19.43richacLady_Aleena: Clementine is a popular light weight one
19:19.58richacbut i believe that nightengale one is even lighter
19:20.11neoncortexmaybe you can run moc, cmus, mpd .. on command line, of course
19:20.46richacalways make sure to turn off all those plugins that use bandwidth
19:20.53richacjust turn off every plugin lol
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19:23.40Kiritompv/mplayer works great if you don't need anything other than a music player too.
19:23.50Lady_Aleenarichac, do either of those players get out of my way when playing music? (When minimized, do they still sit on my taskbar, do they turn into a tiny console like Windows Media Player does, or a single icon like Amarok does?)
19:24.06richacdunno
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19:24.17richaci know banshee dissappears,  thats the one i use
19:25.40Lady_AleenaSince this has gone beyond Debian questions, I guess this should go somewhere else.
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19:26.29richaci use banshee because i have a big music library,  and amarok slows to a crawl
19:26.38richacif it doesn't crash
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19:27.16neoncortexrichac, and are you running gnome on those machine?
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19:27.34richackd
19:27.35richackde
19:28.12neoncortexconsider an miracle that kde runs in there
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19:28.35richacneoncortex: huh?  i think you mean to reply to lady_aleena
19:28.57richacmy machine is getting old, but its not that old
19:29.07neoncortexrichac, ah yeah, sorry for that =D
19:29.33richacLady_Aleena: how come you don't run  lxde or or xfce ?
19:29.46ScottEClementine is pretty decent too - It's a form of Amarok the way it used to be before it was so bloated
19:30.43neoncortexi'm tried many players, but stuck with mpd/ncmpcpp
19:31.04richacScottE: if its what amarok was forked from i'd stay away from it haha
19:31.15richacit is supposed to be lightweight though...
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19:31.33richacneoncortex: i use banshee,  to manage a large library very easily with no issues
19:31.44netstarbanshee is MONO?
19:32.03Lady_Aleenarichac, because I am too scared of losing all of my emails I've been saving since December when I installed KDE and started using KMail. If I switch DEs/WMs, I don't want to mix software up too much. So, if I leave KDE, I leave KMail. However, there isn't a magic button to convert KMail email storage to any other email storage out there. It is bad enough I've lost my address book from MS Outlook, I don't want to lose anything else.
19:32.04richaccan browse through it quickly,   shuffle the whole library, etc...
19:32.06ScottErichac: It's nothing like Amarok how it is now, and I've found it runs better than Banshee. But as with all things, many choices
19:32.17neoncortexrichac, yes, i'm use mpd for the same motive .. manage an huge library in amarok, rhythmbox or something is an pain
19:32.19richacnetstar: mono?
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19:32.44neoncortexand i'm like to play the same library in varios computers
19:32.46richacnetstar: oh i don't know
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19:33.54Lady_Aleenarichac, when I switch DEs/WMs. it will probably mean a complete and clean install of Debian too.
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19:34.37richacwhy not use both?
19:34.40neoncortexi just have an question for Debian devs: why, for example, when you install an service, like mysql or apache, etc .. they start automatically?
19:34.47richacbut i guess theres no guarantee it won't cause an issue
19:35.13Lady_Aleenarichac, because I don't know what I am doing.
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19:36.04richacLady_Aleena: pretty sure you can just sudo apt-get install lxde,  and then pick it from the login menu.   But don't take my word for it lol
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19:42.23Lady_AleenaI guess I am just too afraid I will mess my computer up worse and lose everything. It's happened to me before with Windows. No matter how careful I am, I lose information.
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19:43.54richacYou won't lose any data,   but I guess there is a 1 in 1000 chance that something might not work right,  or look right after lol
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19:44.23Lady_Aleenarichac, I lost my address book between Windows and Debian.
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19:44.30richacyou can pick your session at login,   then log out go back to kde if you want your kmail
19:44.59richacLady_Aleena: i just wiped my whole pc by acciden the other day ;)
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19:45.22richacbut installing lxde won't delete anything
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19:45.31Lady_AleenaIf that happened to me, I'd go insane.
19:45.36richaclol
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19:45.58richaci had some stuff backed up
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19:46.34Lady_Aleenarichac, honestly, I would lose my mind. My hubby would have to institutionalize me.
19:46.50richacLady_Aleena: do you make backups?
19:47.06richacbackup all your data
19:47.13richacit probably won't take alot of space
19:47.17Lady_AleenaI have some files backed up, but other's I don't because I don't know where they are.
19:47.19ScottEOccasional reinstalls, as unpleasant as they are, are good practice because it forces you to test your backups
19:47.35mordacHi. I downloaded the source files for a debian package. Does anyone know what the license is to the files used to 'debianize' a package? I want to port the package to OpenBSD but I don't know if I can use any of the debian source patches. the 'copywrite' file only mentions the license of the application itself.
19:47.37richacScottE: and gets rid of all the viruses
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19:47.40richacScottE: usually lol
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19:48.16richacScottE: sometimes you have to low level format,  and even that doesn't work
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19:48.29mofinoyou guys run weird systems...
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19:48.43richacmofino: what do you mean? lol
19:48.52mofinolow level format?  what decade is this?
19:49.04mofinoreinstall to test backups?
19:49.06ScottENo kidding... maybe richac is still running on MFM or RLL drives
19:49.09richacmofino: i just explained to you the reason why.
19:49.18mofinorichac, never had to do that
19:49.19Lady_Aleenahas to go make a phone call.
19:49.22richacScottE: i forgot i'm dealing with linux people who think they are never targeted or virused
19:49.27mofinoi've had to clear out the boot sector, that's it
19:49.44richacmofino: i just dd'c my flashdrive with zeros and then deleted the partion table yesterday ;)
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19:49.49mofinodd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=1 bs=512c
19:50.24mofinorichac, yeah, i've seen that, detecting old partition tables
19:50.38richacmofino: it can get corrupted
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19:51.00richacmofino: especially if you have a "bad usb"  since the exploit kit is on github now lol
19:51.06mofinofrom my view, it's that it exists and is picked up during detection
19:51.16mofinobad usb?
19:51.23richacmofno: lol
19:51.32mofinoare you giving your flash drives to strangers?
19:51.42richacmofino: do you live in a bubble?
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19:51.47mofinoi'm asking
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19:51.50richacso am I
19:52.00richaclinux guys make me laugh
19:52.02mofinoyour question is absurd
19:52.08richacyour absurd lol
19:52.16mofinocare to answer me?
19:52.36richacmofino: your question is absurd
19:52.51mofinoi guess i'll look up what you are talking about then
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19:53.06richacits also absurd to think linux doesn't get viruses,  and naive to think you will never be targeted by anyone
19:53.17richacmofino: you must be living in the 90s
19:53.27mofinoalright, think this discussion is over
19:53.31richacbye bye
19:53.34richacgo back to your bubble
19:53.39mofinoyou clearly do not know what you are talking about
19:53.47mordacwell, this has not been helpful.
19:53.55richacmofino: and your clearly in denial
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19:54.11mofinorichac, what is your concern?  viruses in linux?
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19:54.28mofinopicking up strange USB devices and plugging them in?
19:54.53richacmofino: you keep thinking that is the only way you will get infected..../facepalm
19:55.04mofinojesus, you don't answer any questions
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19:55.18richacmofino: because your question is utterly absurd
19:55.21mofinotell me how i will get "infected"
19:55.27mofinoTHEN EXPLAIN IT
19:55.31richacmofino: going to bad url
19:55.36richacwithout having to click a dam thing
19:55.42richac;)
19:55.46mofinook, so software flaw in the browser, now what?
19:55.56richacmofino: you need more?  case closed already bud
19:56.05mofinoyou run as root?
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19:56.22richacmofino: more absurd questions from you,   your starting to seem fake now
19:56.23mofinoDO YOU RUN AS ROOT?
19:56.28richacabsurd
19:56.28mofinofucking hell man
19:56.37mofinotell me how i'm going to get exploited
19:56.42richaci just did
19:56.57mofinoso i've got some arbitary code running as my user, what's the next step?
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19:57.45richacmofino: are you trying to convince yourself or me? lol
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19:58.08mofinoare you going to answer?
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19:58.31mofinoyou said viruses and exploit linux
19:58.33mofinoi'm waiting
19:58.48richacmofino: go google,   step out of your bubble,  and get informed
19:58.57richacevery exploit is diff
19:59.00mofinowhy can't you tell me?
19:59.06mofinobecause you have no goddamn clue
19:59.09richacsince we started on bad usb,  go to github and look at the source code yourself
19:59.19richacmofino: w/e helps you sleep at night bud
19:59.22mofinoso you pick up strange devices and plug them in?>
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19:59.36mofinoyou plug your devices in to strange computers?
19:59.53richacmofino: in this day and age,   there is no prevention,  only detection
19:59.58mofinoyou're an idiot
20:00.01richacyour stuck in he past
20:00.05richactypical linux user
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20:00.21mofinostuck in the past...
20:00.28richac<PROTECTED>
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20:00.35mofinobecause i don't plug in random USB devices?
20:00.36richacno matter how smart you think you are......your infected already
20:00.41mofinooh really?
20:00.44richacyes
20:00.57mofinowell, you've graduated from idiot to troll
20:01.05richacmofino: seems like your the one trolling me
20:01.09mofinohardly
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20:01.14mofinoi was asking you to answer you claims
20:01.20abrotmanPlease use /ignore if you can't communicate with each other
20:01.23richacanybody will tell you,  if your virused,  low level format your hdd is sometimes the only way to get rid of it
20:01.26tugrikabrotman: :)
20:01.35richacyour felt the need to troll me on that?
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20:01.42mofino?
20:01.46richac?
20:01.48mofinodoesn't even make sense
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20:01.59richacmofino: and you say i'm the one whos clueless? lol
20:02.01mofinoanyway dude, you've wasted enough time
20:02.04mofinohave a good afternoon
20:02.06Lady_Aleenanow has to run to the store, so will be back in about 20 minutes or so.
20:02.13richacmofino: if your virused,  sometimes a low level format ist he only way to get rid of the virus
20:02.16richacyou have been educated now
20:02.21mofinorichac, ok man cool
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20:02.28mofinobeen at this since 94
20:02.29richacnow go google the bad usb source code
20:02.41richacmofino: but your a linux guy,  so its no wonder
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20:02.48richacmofino: like i said,  stuck in the 90s,  tks for confirming
20:02.49mofinowhy are you in this channel?
20:02.51abrotmanrichac: mofino please stop
20:02.59richacmofino: tks for confirming your stuck in the 90s  lmao
20:03.00abrotmanI won't ask again.
20:03.03richacwow did I call that
20:03.26mofinoyeah, you called it, i have experience
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20:03.50richacmofino: trolling me over the fact a low level format is sometimes the only way to get rid of a virus?   ....ya your experienced alright....
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20:04.18abrotmanrichac: mofino please take a timeout, or argue in msg.  Thank you
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20:20.09ValdikSSLike, diff between versions. Is it possible?
20:20.13ValdikSSSomething like git blame
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20:20.34thoonaiheyho, I have trouble with this Regex: if [[ $1 =~ ^-{1,2} ]];
20:20.37thoonaiit should get everything starting with - or -- but it allows --- too
20:20.40thoonaiany idea?
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20:34.03ovidiu-florinwhat are quotas?
20:34.09Lady_Aleenais back from the store.
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20:36.13Lady_AleenaDebianGNU, maybe the places are slowing down. In the US, it is 3:35pm EST meaning people are starting to go home from work.
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20:38.48Lady_AleenaOh well, I guess he didn't want to stick around.
20:38.57Baluseheh
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20:39.52Lady_AleenaI was also going to tell him the Europeans are probably in bed or getting ready for bed.
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20:43.12richaci never heard of his issue lol
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20:44.59DammitJimLady_Aleena, I wish I was starting to go home from work!
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20:45.24richachttp://www.ehow.com/facts_6854966_malware-vs_-viruses.html
20:46.05richachttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
20:46.14Lady_AleenaDammitJim, some start getting ready to go home about this time in EST. Finishing paperwork for the day, etc.
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20:47.42richachttp://www.unixmen.com/meet-linux-viruses/
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20:47.52DammitJimI am not doing any of that, I am just checking my Facebook
20:48.16DammitJimLOL
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20:49.44Lady_AleenaSome people don't understand you all are volunteers helping because you love the software, so patience is required when asking questions here.
20:50.44Lady_AleenaJust because a question isn't answered right away, doesn't mean it is being ignored mostly.
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21:02.56grosjean:)
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21:17.11KiritoTrying to install Kernel Headers from make-kpkg fails with "Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.17.2 cannot be found.", am I forgetting something here?
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21:17.40grosjeando you compile your kernel ?
21:17.43KiritoYes.
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21:18.04KiritoThese are the headers generated with make-kpkg
21:18.18Kiritodpkg fails to install them with that error
21:18.19dpkgKirito: I give up, what is it?
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21:19.41grosjean:)
21:19.59eb0they how do i find out the contents of a package witout downlaoding it
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21:20.17eb0ti have searched for the package ...but it doesnt tell me what is in it
21:20.31eb0ti tried dpkg -L package name
21:20.37eb0tand it returns noting at all
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21:21.34grosjeanyou can go to packages.debian.org too
21:21.44KiritoSo, you don't know why it's doing this then? :l
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21:25.13eb0tthanks grosjean
21:25.34KiritoJesus this is becoming a pain
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21:25.39grosjeannp eb0t
21:25.58eb0tthere is something not that clear....if i use dpkg to do an install of a .deb file...the .deb file has information of dependencies...
21:26.09jhutchinsTrying to join a W7 to the existing samba pdc.  W7 says it can't find the DC.
21:26.11jhutchinsIs there something that has to be done to the computer name other than match it to the machine account? Seems like there was something that was appended to the displayed name that had to be fixed.
21:26.13eb0tdoes dpkg take care of these dependencies or is that the installers job
21:26.15jhutchinsOf course, the bookmark with that info is on a computer at a different location.
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21:26.50grosjeaneb0t: yes it does
21:26.54DammitJimjhutchins, what OS is your PDC?
21:27.03eb0tah great thanks grosjean
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21:27.13KiritoWhat in the hell is even going on here
21:27.28KiritoWhy does trying to install Kernel Headers result in an error from virtualbox?
21:27.39DammitJimwheezy?
21:27.42grosjean?
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21:27.59jhutchinsDammitJim: Debian
21:28.10eb0ti installed kernel headers prior to installing virtual box and got no problems Krigsforbryter
21:28.14eb0tkirito
21:28.19grosjeanDammitJim: wheezy is not debian :)
21:28.28DammitJim???
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21:28.58ompaulwheezy is debian stable
21:29.03grosjeanyes
21:29.10grosjeani was just joking
21:29.25grosjeanbecause DammitJim ask for wheezy
21:29.35Kiritohttps://pastebin.mozilla.org/7172851 - Trying to install the kernel headers package on a second server fails. Surely it's not actually requiring me to provide a path to the Linux Kernel source directory here, because if it is, I don't understand why I have created a deb package to begin with
21:29.39grosjeanand jhutchins respond with debian
21:29.41grosjeanbref
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21:30.01KiritoTrying to install the kernel headers on the primary server fails too, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/7172866
21:30.33KiritoHow can dpkg manage to make this such a complicated task?
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21:31.19ompaulKirito: firstly where are you getting your 3.17 from ?
21:31.23Kiritokernel.org
21:31.30eb0thow do i check the version of libc6 on my system
21:31.45grosjeaneb0t: dpkg -l | grep libc6
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21:31.47ompaulKirito: which version of debian have you got
21:31.51KiritoWheezy.
21:31.53eb0tthanks
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21:32.08ompaulKirito: which gcc
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21:32.15grafdiffuzorHi all. A bit offtopic question, sorry... Are there any field(s) in output of `upower -i` which can verify if a laptop battery needs to be replaced?
21:32.21Kirito4.7.2
21:33.22ompaulKirito: did something happen that requires it to be built with 4.9 *i seem to recall that being the case)
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21:34.00ompaulKirito: if you are willing to wait a short while I'll make a wheezy vm and join you
21:34.02Kiritoompaul, There's a kernel option that I know requires 4.9
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21:34.05KiritoBut I didn't enable it
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21:34.22KiritoI believe it was the buffer overflow detection
21:34.47grosjeannope, i have it
21:34.48KiritoI compiled in the version that requires 4.7, there's another that required 4.9, I don't remember the specific name of it
21:35.02KiritoBut the Kernel itself installs and works fine
21:35.07KiritoIt's just the kernel headers that won't install.
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21:35.35KiritoI can send my kernel.config if you'd like as well
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21:36.54ompaulKirito: give me a short while I've recently gutted this box back shortly
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21:37.47eb0tthanks so much grosjean...you helped clear up the other issues i was having on a subject matter i have been at for about 2 hours
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21:38.04eb0tnow i know my stuff
21:38.32KiritoActually, all of the blame goes towards virtualbox
21:38.42KiritoI just removed it and the headers installed fine
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21:38.57ompaulhahah
21:39.21ompaulKirito: 64bit was it?
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21:39.27KiritoYeah
21:39.36ompaulok
21:39.40ompaulfiles that data
21:39.51KiritoNow I just have to figure out how to get virtualbox to work with custom kernel installations
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21:40.11ompaulbuild outside and scp in
21:40.18KiritoActually I swear I think I came across this issue before and there was a known bug relating to it
21:40.25KiritoIn the version Debian uses
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21:41.11nikio__hey how do I install the kernel header?
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21:41.33nikio__i get: Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64 cannot be found.
21:41.39illylooking for a package to monitor realtime and history of the internet traffic
21:41.53Kiritoilly, wireshark?
21:41.54nikio__i tried: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)  but it gives me:
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21:41.58KiritoIf you want packet monitoring
21:41.58richacnikio__: did you compile a new kernel?
21:42.06nikio__unable to locate package linux-headers-3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64
21:42.19ompaulilly: that has a huge overhead
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21:42.49illyoverhead?
21:42.50nikio__richac I replaced the wheezy kernel with the latest kernel
21:42.53richacilly: the history part is whats limit the programs u can use
21:42.57nikio__so I could run my wifi network card driver
21:43.01richactcpdump or wireshark
21:43.05richacis all i know of
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21:43.20richacif you just want to see traffic in real tlime,    i like an old abandoned program called etherape
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21:43.59nikio__richac, do you know how to install tge kernel header?
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21:44.21illybwm-ng and darkstat is what i prefer to use
21:44.28illybut im looking for something ,,, diff
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21:44.42richacnikio__: only when i compile one,  i'm not sure how you replaced the kernel?
21:44.51illysomething like this
21:44.52illyhttps://unix4lyfe.org/darkstat/screen-graphs.png
21:45.03nikio__richac with dkpg -i
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21:45.33richacnikio__: so you downloaded it from somewhere?
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21:45.39nikio__richac yep
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21:45.53richacnikio__: go to where you downloaded it they probably have a header file to download as well as the image
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21:48.19nikiohttps://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel/linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64
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21:49.43Kirito"Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMSError! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.17.2 cannot be found."
21:49.45KiritoSigh.
21:49.51KiritoAnd I have the headers installed
21:50.05sisihello, how to don't display my hostname when i join  channel?
21:50.29teraflopssisi: ask for a cloak
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21:50.43teraflopssis just on #freenode
21:50.52nikio_Kirito, i have the same problem
21:51.23nikio_richac, thats where /i downloaded my kernel from,, i dont see a header there
21:51.29KiritoI just want to blame Virtualbox for all of my problems because I hate Virtualbox
21:51.32nikio_maybe im blind
21:51.43KiritoI have the kernel headers installed, it's lying
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21:51.45Kiritoor stupid
21:51.49teraflopsKirito: thats easy does not use vbox
21:52.09Kiritoteraflops, wouldn't it be nice if that was an option, obviously I'm trying to install virtualbox for a reason
21:52.10teraflopsyou dont use*
21:52.20KiritoI need to work with Vagrant on this box
21:52.25KiritoVagrant needs virtualbox
21:52.28richacnikio:  https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel/
21:52.36richacget the header to match your image version
21:52.46teraflopsKirito: uhm may be ..
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21:53.17richacnikio: i believe this one?   https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel/linux-headers-3.16-0.bpo.2-all-amd64
21:53.25richacmake sure
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21:54.22nikiorichac, linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64 is my kernel so
21:54.26nikioi guess its god
21:54.29richaccool
21:54.31nikiothank you : )
21:54.32richacnp
21:54.45nikionow lets hope it will work : )
21:54.49richaclol
21:54.53richaclet me know
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21:55.11richacdo dpkg -i   image    header
21:55.19richacin that order is how i usually do it
21:55.26richacpaste the image before the header
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21:56.59richacnikio:  compiling your own is pretty easy on debian.   this is a great tutorial  http://www.tecmint.com/kernel-compilation-in-debian-linux/
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21:57.26nikiorichac, why would you want to compile your own header?
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21:57.46nikioi mean
21:57.50nikiokernel
21:57.51richacnikio: or better question,  why compile my own kernel?
21:58.16richaci personally did to patch it with grsec,   but i guess so you could feel its more trustable as well
21:58.17nikioyes tell me please : )
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21:58.23teraflopsjust a thought but unless a business I'd avoid using that shit of vbox
21:58.38nikioteraflops, why
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22:01.41nikio_richac, http://pastie.org/9703730
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22:02.31richacnikio install those packages
22:02.40richacinsteall gcc
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22:02.47nikio_richac, whats the fastest way to install them?
22:02.47richacsudo apt-get install gcc
22:02.50ompaulinstall build-essential
22:02.54nikio_cant i just do apt-get update or something?
22:03.00ompaulthat drags in gcc and all its friends
22:03.07nikio_ompaul, so only that?
22:03.20ompaulit's a one hit wonder for compiling
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22:03.34richache might only need gcc though,   but i guess
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22:03.50ompaulrichac: do apt-cache show build-essential
22:04.02richac?
22:04.19cra1g321Package linux-kbuild-3.16 is not installed
22:04.26cra1g321^ that pakage is in the wheezy-backports
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22:04.35cra1g321oops wrong one
22:04.40cra1g321linux-compiler-gcc-4.6-x86 *
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22:05.03richacya just install that
22:05.17richacsudo apt-get install linux-compiler-gcc-4.6-x86
22:05.40richaci always just do sudo apt-get install gcc
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22:05.55richacor the kernel-package
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22:06.02ompaulleaves you to your fun
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22:06.12nikio_richac, ompaul http://hastebin.com/ewoboyoyiy.coffee
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22:06.32ompaulpaste.debian.net works wonders for debian folk
22:06.33phixnikio_: Coffee script ?
22:06.47richacnikio:  sudo apt-get install kernel-package
22:06.52cra1g321nikio_ i'm guessing you are installing the backports kernel ?
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22:06.59ompaulapt-get -f install
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22:07.18nikio_cra1g321, I already installed a kernel the latest one so I could run my wifi driver
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22:08.38richacoh i see,  you probably have to add the repo for that kernel you downloaded I guess
22:08.38cra1g321looking at your latest paste, the packages missing are backport packagees too
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22:08.49cra1g321so doing apt-get -f won't work iirc
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22:09.31cra1g321do apt-get -t wheezy-backports install "package missing"
22:09.47richacnice
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22:10.20cra1g321so for example - apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-headers-3.16-0.bpo.2-common
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22:10.39richacnikio:  now you know one reason to make your own lol
22:10.39mnsnikio_: do you have bpo in your sources.list file ?
22:10.55richacmns: no how can he put it there
22:11.20nikio_mns no
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22:11.23nikio_cra1g321, E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
22:11.26richacdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
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22:11.37mnsvim/emacs /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:11.38cra1g321ah you are missing the backports repo
22:11.39richacadd that to yoru sources
22:11.45nikio_ok
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22:12.44richacthen after you add it,   do sudo apt-get update
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22:14.03kdogIs aide still the best option on wheezy for file integrity checking?
22:14.21richackdog: someone just told me about samhain
22:14.25nikio_Type 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free' is not known on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
22:14.26nikio_E: The list of sources could not be read.
22:14.27richaci've still using the abandoned tripwire lol
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22:14.36richackdog: http://www.la-samhna.de/samhain/
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22:14.49nikio_:s
22:15.00richaci just like how the tripwire reports are more in detail
22:15.07richacnikio_: pastebin your sources file
22:15.10cra1g321nikio_ it's just
22:15.11cra1g321deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main
22:15.27richacnikio: https://wiki.debian.org/Backports
22:15.44cra1g321this page will help http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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22:15.53richackdog: i haven't used samhain yet
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22:17.04richacnikio: pastebin the sources list if anything
22:17.22kdogrichac: thanks. it's been a long time since I messed with samhain. I'll look into it again. Looks like its being actively developed too, which is nice.
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22:17.40nikio_richac http://pastie.org/9703771
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22:17.50nikio_same error with the last link that cra1g321 provided
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22:18.36RemramHi! I need help :( I have a broken package on my machine and can't remove it
22:19.02Remramdpkg: error processing package docker.io (--configure): package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting configuration
22:19.03dpkgremram: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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22:19.48richacnikio:   deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
22:20.01richacor just main if you want
22:20.07Remramalright, here is the full paste: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/vehCYC8pwT97pE930sNI/
22:20.21cra1g321nikio_ i think i know what's wrong
22:20.24richacdelete the one you have in there...make sure it saves
22:20.28cra1g321see line 6, the wheezy-backports one
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22:20.36cra1g321you are missing a / at the end of the URL
22:20.40kdogrichac: I haven't used tripwire since the early 2000's so I can't say on that front :-P With samhain, its a client server scenario which is always a bit more involved. BUT, it solves the issue of having the integrity database off the machine you are checking.
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22:21.06cra1g321without slash = not found, with = works
22:21.09richackdog: ya thats the thing i was wondering,   i only want a file integiryt,  not that other stuff
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22:21.23richaci might have to force myself to use aide,  but man tripwire was so much better lol
22:21.38nikio_cra1g321, same error
22:21.47richacnikio:  did you put what i said?  its ftp not http
22:21.48Remramsudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r docker.io fails as well
22:21.51nikio_E: Type 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main ' is not known on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
22:21.51richacdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
22:21.57nikio_ok
22:21.59nikio_i will
22:22.01cra1g321nikio_ did you apt-get update again ?
22:22.03nikio_yes
22:22.11kdogrichac: what's bothered me about aide is that the db is on the machine, referenced by the conf file. If it was rooted, the perp could just regenerate the db (it would require privileged access tho)
22:22.11nikio_thats the error that comes when you do apt-get update
22:22.12richacdelete that line,  make sure it saves,  then update
22:22.14nikio_ok
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22:22.32richackdog: can't you just put it on an ecnrypted usb or somethign? or it doesn't let ya?
22:22.37richaci know with tripwire you can
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22:23.28kdogrichac: of course, that is what is recommended, but I don't want to tromp to my basement to put in a thumb drive for checking or updating the DB.
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22:23.35nikio_richac, cra1g321 i think  that richac link was correct but also missed a /
22:23.41nikio_i added a / and it workd
22:23.44richackdog: lol
22:23.45kdogremembers burning tripwire db's to CDs
22:23.55richackdog: to be honest i don't bother either....but i'm still just testing
22:23.57nikio_do i do apt-get upgrade now richac ?
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22:24.11richacnikio_: yep
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22:24.32nikio_im pretty new to linux stuff so ; )
22:24.34kdogrichac: so, now I'm doubling my attack surface by having TWO machines :-P
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22:24.38richackdog: i also dont' have any spare media
22:24.39ompaulnikio_: what version of gcc have you got
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22:25.11ompaulapt-cache policy gcc please
22:25.22richackdog: ya usb's aren't that safe either lol
22:25.27nikio_richac, http://pastie.org/9703796
22:25.30kdogrichac: get yourself to a conference and come back with a pocketful of thumb drives :-0
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22:25.46richackdog: ya i know the office where i worked had draws full
22:25.57nikio_ompaul, 4.7.2-1
22:26.10ompaulcool
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22:26.24richacnikio_: ok so now try the apt-get -f install and those packages
22:26.24nikio_ok
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22:26.58nikio_its doing stuff by itself
22:27.04richachm?
22:27.05nikio_after  did apt-get -f install
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22:27.26nikio_i think its fixing the dependencies by itself
22:27.35kdogrichac: you could be sneaky and mount a remote filesystem for the check and then unmount it. Or, scp it on/off server just before/after running aide. scripting fun!
22:27.39richacoh ok i thought you had to specify cool
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22:27.56nikio_its still doing something i think
22:28.00nikio_it stopped at Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d.
22:28.00nikio_run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64
22:28.17nikio_ok now its done
22:28.19richackdog: ya but like you said,  more attack surface
22:28.48richackdog: i guess safest way would be use a cd you don't finalize and keep adding new versions on it?
22:28.59richacor keep using new cd's haha
22:29.08richacthat would be nuts too
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22:29.28richacnikio:  so i guess try booting into the kernel?
22:29.35richacgood luck
22:29.55ompaulit will either work or fail if it fails boot a previously good one
22:29.58nikio_richac, booting the kernel wasnt a problem
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22:30.01kdogrichac: who's to say that last version is one YOU created :-)
22:30.05Remramanyone? I just want to remove the package :( http://paste.pound-python.org/show/vehCYC8pwT97pE930sNI/
22:30.18richackdog: true
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22:30.21nikio_it worked, but i needed the headers to install guest additions for my virtual box
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22:30.29nikio_so i could dualboot and virtualize this Debian at the same time
22:30.35Quantum`Trying to install Kolab, but it fails for an unnecessary dependency, kolab-webadmin.  Is there any way to exclude just that dependency?
22:30.37richackdog: actually with tripwire you can keep generating a fresh one i guess
22:30.49ompaulRemram: use apt-get install -f    (subtle difference it might work)
22:30.57richacnikio__:  ok not sure if you have to reboot or not,  i guess your ok
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22:31.33richacdo an update again make sure everything is ok now
22:31.43Remramompaul: no, same results :( http://paste.pound-python.org/show/Yao65MxT22QqETqgrG5H/
22:31.58Remramcan I even see the error from dpkg or something?
22:32.12Remramthere's nothing in any log I could find
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22:32.37kdogrichac: I had configured a netbook on a private lan with a minimal debian install to be my trusted backup store. It would have been perfect for the samhain scenario, if it hadn't gone tits up a few months back.
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22:34.30richackdog: what happened?
22:35.08RemramI'm fiddling with the init script right now
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22:35.30Remramok, it looks like there is a very serious problem with the docker.io package
22:35.32nikio_:D
22:35.40Remramyou can't remove it if the init script can't stop it
22:35.43nikio_vbox produces the correct output !!!
22:35.48nikio_i mean
22:35.48Remramof course, if it's not running you can't stop it
22:35.54Remramsomeone should take a look at these scripts
22:35.57nikio_lsmod | grep vbox
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22:36.09Remram(interesting notes: docker is not compatible with every machine, so it might not be startable)
22:36.14richacnikio_: hm?  everything works?
22:36.20Remram(so when that happens, the whole of apt is broken)
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22:36.39richacRemram: wow that sucks
22:36.50mofinoremram, just put exit 0 at the top of the init script, to get things moving again
22:37.10Remrammofino: pretty close, I added '|| true' after the start-stop-daemon line
22:37.13mofinonice
22:37.18Remrambut really, this is a bug
22:37.34mofinofile it if need be, talking about it here just goes into the ether
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22:37.40nikio_richac I think so  !
22:37.45nikio_thanks !
22:37.50richacnp
22:38.09nikio_thanks all
22:38.30nikio_and my Debian is fast now : )
22:38.37nikio_dual boot and virtualized
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22:38.46Remramif someone wants to report it... I'm not doing it
22:38.51nikio_gna reset and see if this resolution can be fixed
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22:39.10Quantum`Trying to install Kolab, but it fails for an unnecessary dependency, kolab-webadmin.  Is there any way to exclude just that dependency?
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22:42.23KiritoOkay. 45 minutes later, I'm close to blaming Debian for this issue again.
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22:43.09richacQuantum`: hold doens't work?
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22:43.14mofinoDeb and Ian probably had nothing to do with it man
22:43.31eb0tha ha
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22:43.56KiritoWhy is it when I dpkg -c the linux-headers.deb file make-kpkg creates, it prints like this, ./usr/src/linux-headers-3.17.2/security/integrity/ima/Makefile
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22:44.13KiritoWhy is this a relative path to the directory in which I compiled the kernel?
22:44.32KiritoWhat exactly has make-kpkg done here?
22:45.09richacwould make-kpkg clean help?   your talking about stuff way above my paygrade so feel free to ignore me lol
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22:45.28ScottEKirito: does virtualbox work with a 3.17 kernel? Maybe that's too new of a kernel for it? Just a thought.
22:45.35KiritoActually nevermind, I misread that as /usr/local/src
22:45.43KiritoMaybe that's where it's supposed to be installed then
22:45.53richacya that sounds right
22:46.05KiritoScottE, That was my guess as well
22:46.13KiritoSo I downloaded the debian file from virtualbox's website directly
22:46.16KiritoStill doesn't work
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22:46.35richacKirito: i'm sorry if I missed your original question,  what doesn't work exactly?
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22:46.45KiritoI really feel like I've seen a bug report either on the version of virtualbox Debian uses before, or maybe it was dkms
22:46.59KiritoI can't get Virtualbox to install on a system using a custom kernel
22:47.10KiritoIt says it can't find the headers for the kernel, even though they're installed
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22:47.26richacdid you install kernel-devel?
22:47.31babilenfwiw, make-kpgk has been deprecated -- /msg dpkg kernel handbook
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22:47.41DisconsentedWhere are most programs installed to?
22:47.49babilenthe filesystem
22:47.58KiritoThis is a custom kernel, but yes I have installed the kernel headers
22:48.00babilendpkg: tell Disconsented -about hier
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22:48.19Kiritobabilen, thanks, I didn't know it was deprecated, I'll at least note that the next time I update
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22:48.35DisconsentedIf there was a bot that was ment to PM me.. There was no pm
22:48.36richacKirito:  i mean the kernel devel,  umm if i remember correctly, if you are using oracls version,  with every kernel update you have to recompile something for debian,  let me google for you
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22:48.43richac*for vbox
22:49.00babilendpkg: tell Disconsented -about fhs
22:49.16richacKirito: did you run the /etc/init/vboxdrv setup   something like that let me google
22:49.18babilenDisconsented: Sorry, mixed up the name of the factoid and the name of the manpage
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22:49.26KiritoYes. It fails
22:49.33Disconsentedthere we go got the pm now
22:49.37richacKirito: yes your are missing some dependencies most likely
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22:49.41richacumm kernel-devel is one
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22:49.45richacwhich one does it fail on?
22:49.51richacthe main one?
22:49.59KiritoTrying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMSError! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.17.2 cannot be found.
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22:50.04babilenjudd: v virtualbox-dkms
22:50.06juddPackage: virtualbox-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1
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22:50.11KiritoYES
22:50.13babilen^^^ fwiw (packages and supported version)
22:50.14KiritoI swear that was it
22:50.18Kiritovirtualbox-dkms
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22:50.48KiritoThe version Debian wheezy had was broken
22:50.49babilenAny particular reason why you felt the need to compile your own kernel?
22:50.52KiritoFor newer kernels
22:51.02babilenKirito: There is a newer version in wheezy-backports as you can see
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22:51.25KiritoI'll install that then and see if it works, thanks.
22:51.30richacdkms, build-essential
22:51.38babilenBut then I don't use vbox as I find it horribly slow and cumbersome.
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22:51.55Kiritobabilen, several reasons, mostly for performance improvements and I think for some new functionality but I can't remember, either way I started keeping more up to date kernels installed on my server boxes long ago
22:52.09KiritoI'm actually installing it purely for Vagrant right now
22:52.18KiritoWhich has to work with Virtualbox
22:52.19babilenKirito: And 3,16 doesn't cut it?
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22:52.50babilenKirito: Vagrant works fine with qemu/libvirt and is at least ten times as fast -- https://github.com/pradels/vagrant-libvirt/
22:52.50KiritoWell, the latest backports kernel was pretty old when I started building my own kernels
22:53.10babilenkvm is nice
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22:53.47mofinoi believe virtualbox is based on qemu
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22:54.12babilenAnd now that packer can built qemu vagrant boxes you can go full circle and there really is no need for vbox anymore. I couldn't stand to wait so long for boxes to come up.
22:54.15babilenIt is not
22:54.37richacmofino: lol
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22:55.28mofinonevermind, just parts of it
22:55.51babilenKirito: Just a suggestion, I really wouldn't bother with vbox as you will waste a lot of time whenever you provision new boxes. Give vagrant-libvirt a try and check out virt-manager and kvm. You can also compare both solutions and see for yourself what I am referring to.
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22:56.18nikio_well things work now but i think i pressed some wrong buttons
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22:56.22KiritoYeah, I'll definitely look into it, for right now I was just using this for some beta testing stuff
22:56.30nikio_the gnome shell looks different on startup
22:56.32richacnikio_: what happened?
22:56.49nikio_in the tope left i see "activities"
22:57.01richaci'm not sure what you mean
22:57.02nikio_then when i press that i have a very different layout
22:57.12nikio_gnome just changed its UI
22:57.13richaclike glitches?
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22:57.22nikio_nope
22:57.27nikio_let me ss it
22:57.27richachm
22:57.38richacdiff fonts or something?
22:58.18babilennikio_: Did you tinker with your graphic drivers or anything? Could you post a screenshot? (please also consider using punctuation characters in lieu of the enter key as it makes it much easier to follow you (and multiple people at the same time))
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22:58.50babilenKirito: fwiw, 3.16 kernel is in wheezy-backports
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23:00.56nikio_richac, babilen http://www.tuxmachines.org/images/fedora15_gnome3_uniaccess-font.jpg
23:01.01nikio_this is how my gnome looks
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23:01.44nikio_maybe its a newer gnome
23:01.45richacnikio_: i don't use gnome,  but pretty sure thats how it looked last time i tried it
23:01.47babilennikio_: That is perfectly normal
23:02.07nikio_babilen, its different from what i had before
23:02.14richacnikio_: i think your good to go man,  maybe new kernel changed the look slightly with vid drivers or something not sure
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23:02.29richacmaybe slightly diff size or looking fonts dunno
23:02.40babilennikio_: Yes, environments change when you upgrade. You are probably thinking of Gnome 2 while you are now using Gnome 3
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23:02.57richacoh yes if you upgraded it,  thats probably the case
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23:03.53nikio_babilen, yes
23:04.02nikio_babilen, i think Gnome 2 was faster
23:04.06nikio_how can i switch back?
23:04.08ningunohi ppl & devs
23:04.09babilenYou cannot
23:04.26nikio_babilen, why o0
23:04.49nikio_im used to Gnome 2 it was nicer
23:05.06nikio_all i did was install the kernel headers
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23:05.18nikio_so im not sure why i should have to run Gnome 3
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23:06.00cra1g321nikio_ you could use MATE
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23:06.46nikio_there must have been some extra step i didnt have to do that replaced my gnome 2.. how could I go back?
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23:08.40nikio_tbh gnome 3 is very slow o0
23:08.57babilennikio_: You probably upgraded to a different version. You would have to paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net for me to check
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23:10.29nikio_ok
23:10.30babilennikio_: Feel free to use a different DE or WM, you don't have to use Gnome 3
23:10.59Kiritoapt-get -t wheezy-backports install // isn't installing packages from backports (?)
23:11.05nikio_babilen, id really like to go back to Gnome 2, i had a good system but it was just missing kernel headers and while installing the headers and its dependencies something must have went wrong
23:11.10babilen(but then, I have not heard of many complaints, but I also don't know your hardware. Gnome 3 is also nicer in jessie, but meh)
23:11.23nikio_babilen, im running it through virtual box
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23:11.33babilennikio_: You can not. point. Use an old release or switch DE/WMs or try Gnome 3.
23:11.36nikio_and i have a core i3 with 4GB
23:11.45babilennikio_: Well, vbox is inherently slow.
23:12.02nikio_babilen, something went wrong i was using Gnome 2 before i tried to install the kernel headers
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23:12.13nikio_it was running at fine speed
23:12.17babilenI think I addressed that point already
23:12.20nikio_now Gnome3 made it slow
23:12.34babilenDrop it, there is nothing left to discuss about this.
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23:13.53nikio_babilen, http://paste.debian.net/130821/
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23:15.39babilennikio_: Search for gnome in there and you'll see that it was installed earlier. Mind pasting/adding the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list too?
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23:16.46nikio_babilen, i still had gnome 2 half an hour ago. ok i will do that
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23:16.53richacnikio what are your pc specs?
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23:17.14nikio_richac, i have a lenovo flex 2 -14 core i3 4GB
23:17.24babilennikio_: btw, how are you installing packages?
23:17.32benjamindeesis it possible to do an install by dd'ing an iso image to a hard drive?
23:17.32richacnikio_: ya that should be fine man
23:17.41richacnikio_: you feel its much slower?
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23:17.58babilenbenjamindees: Depends on the data in that iso (and then I'd just use cp rather than dd)
23:18.10richacnikio_: what is the vid card you have?
23:18.13babilenbenjamindees: But you cannot copy the Debian installer to a harddrive to install Debian, no
23:18.37babilenrichac: It is running within virtualbox which probably doesn't help
23:18.42nikio_richac, its some intel card i think, yeah its muchh slower
23:18.46babilenAnyway, not much of a Debian support issue
23:18.49nikio_compared to gnome 2
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23:18.52richacohhh
23:19.00richacnikio_: make sure to install the extensions,    and the ninstall guest additions
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23:19.03babilennikio_: So, could you paste the aforementioned information?
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23:19.05richacnikio_: when you change kernel
23:19.09richacyou have to install guest additions again
23:19.30richacinstall them again,  it will remove it and reinstall,  that should do it
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23:20.23nikio_http://paste.debian.net/130822/
23:20.23benjamindeesbabilen, but it works with a usb drive
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23:20.29nikio_babilen,
23:20.53babilenbenjamindees: It does not, that simply allows you to start the installer from USB
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23:21.21nikio_richac, i changed kernel ages ago not today.. today i just needed the headers so i could install the guest additions
23:21.32babilennikio_: fwiw, it *might* be that you were using the fallback mode (you can choose that in the login menu if you install gnome-session-fallback) due to not yet having configured graphics drivers. You might have configured nvidia drivers (or so) by installing those headers.
23:21.33nikio_and when i do lsmod | grep vbox it shows them installed
23:21.35nikio_so its fine
23:21.39richacnikio_: install them anyways
23:21.47richacnikio_: i know they are installed already,  install them again
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23:21.55g00sebenjamindees: Why would you _want_ to copy the installation medium (if that's what it is)?
23:21.58nikio_ok
23:22.10babilennikio_: That looks perfectly fine again. Normal wheezy installation (which comes with Gnome 3)
23:22.10richac./VBox w/e its called,  it will automatically remove it and reinstall them
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23:22.21babilenAh, the pleasure of vbox
23:22.32nikio_babilen, i installed wheezy and i got gnome 2
23:22.44babilenNo, you do not
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23:22.59benjamindeesg00se, to boot the installer
23:23.05babilenGnome 2 is not in wheezy, please refer to my remark regarding the fallback session above.
23:23.14nikio_only after me trying to install the headers did i magically get gnome 3, babilen do you think it could be because i added backports to my sources.list and that i did apt-get update and upgrade?
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23:23.19nikio_could that have replaced my gnome?
23:23.21babilenbenjamindees: What are you actually trying to do?
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23:23.32g00seWhy can't you boot it from the medium it's on now?
23:23.34babilennikio_: I already elaborated on that.
23:23.43richacnikio_: headers, image.  i had same problem today
23:23.46richaci had to install guest additions again
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23:23.57nikio_hmm ok
23:24.04richacnikio_:  are you using vbox from windows host?
23:24.05babilen(or guest additions which made the 3d rendering available or whatnot)
23:24.09benjamindeesoh, does the install support booting an iso from grub?
23:24.10nikio_yes windows 7
23:24.16richacyes so was I, same issue
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23:24.20richacjust install them again,  it can't hurt
23:24.23nikio_ok
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23:24.35richacthen reboot
23:24.38babilenbenjamindees: Are you trying to boot the installer from the hdd rather than "install" Debian by copying something to it?
23:25.21benjamindeesbabilen, yes (duh)
23:25.28babilenbenjamindees: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s04.html.en
23:25.31nikio_babilen, i ment that when i installed wheezy i had gnome 2..
23:25.39nikio_now i have gnome 3 ofcourse
23:25.48babilennikio_: No, you probably were using the fallback mode of Gnome 3
23:25.55nikio_ok
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23:25.57babilenGnome 2 is *not* in wheezy (never was, never will)
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23:26.09nikio_well it was a nice fallback : <
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23:26.37babilenThen use it, but it will go away and my recommendation would still be to either get used to Gnome 3 or to switch to a different DE or WM
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23:26.59nikio_whats DE and WM?
23:27.07threeifbywhiskeyDesktop Environment and Window Manager, respectively.
23:27.11babilendesktop environment and window manager
23:27.27nikio_ok
23:27.30nikio_rebooting
23:27.35babilenSee hyou
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23:28.17systestanyone have a pointer to a good doc on setting up an apt repo?  having problems creating a release file
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23:29.12babilendpkg: tell systest -about own repo
23:29.34babilen(take it from there, reprepro is probably what you want for anything 'decent', but investigate the alternatives)
23:29.59benjamindeesbabilen, okay that is helpful, but I'd rather not do a network install.  perhaps I can add an iso image from there though.  thanks
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23:30.39babilenbenjamindees: Oh, did I link the PXE bit? I thought I'd had given you the section on configuring grub/lilo to boot the installer.
23:30.49systestbabilen, thanks.  reprepro appears to not allow more than one version of a package.
23:31.05babilensystest: yes, that is by design (and how Debian repositories work)
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23:31.35babilenIf you want to support multiple concurrent versions then make them available as foo, foo2, foo3, .. (and so on)
23:31.47babilenYou will find many examples of this in the Debian archive.
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23:33.11systestinteresting, I often see more than one version of a packagei with "apt-cache show"
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23:33.24richaci forgot to tell him to make sure he installs extensions and then guest additions
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23:33.51nikio_well its faster now
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23:34.05babilensystest: You might have different repositories configured then (say, wheezy, wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates) that carry the original version and updates
23:34.17richacnikio_: so your mouse moving across screen is much smoother right?
23:34.23nikio_yes
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23:34.41nikio_everything is kinda ok now, but i think gnome 2 was still a bit faster
23:34.49richacits possible
23:34.54nikio_i mean the fallback
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23:35.01babilenheh :)
23:35.06nikio_which looked like gnome 2 i think
23:35.15babilenIt sort of does, yeah
23:35.23systestbabilen, that's most likely it.  thanks
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23:36.19nikio_babilen, so you dont like vbox? what do you suggest is better for me?
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23:37.36babilensystest: This is a complex topic and, in particular, in the context of CI and provisioned systems it might be nice to be able to "fix" package versions, but the *main* idea behind Debian stable repositories is that changes to packages in them *do not* change anything but fix security/grave bugs. I know that this is not necessarily applicable in GitHub hipster times where people don't care about maintaining stable branches, but that's where it ...
23:37.42babilen... stems from
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23:38.03babilennikio_: I personally prefer KVM, Xen, LXC and VMWare
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23:38.13nikio_thats a lot
23:38.30nikio_ill go for vmware then as others told me its good too
23:38.32babilenRight now I probably use KVM (with vagrant-libvirt) and LXC (with docker) most often.
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23:38.41Catz`can anyone help me with some questions regarding raid controllers, i need some optionions related to BBWC and disk write cache, sorry for the offtopic ;(
23:38.46nikio_I am happy I did this: http://lifehacker.com/how-to-dual-boot-and-virtualize-the-same-partition-on-y-493223329
23:38.49richacnikio_: for you vbox or vmware,   vbox is open source so probably more compatible
23:38.51babilennikio_: What's the host operating system?
23:38.52nikio_ad now its fast too
23:38.57nikio_Windows 7
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23:39.49babilenAh, yeah. I, naturally, just run Linux. Haven't touched Windows in a long time. Vbox is fine in that situation (and the main reason for it to exist and flourish is the fact that it runs on OSX, Windows and Linux). It's still quite slow if compared to, say, KVM on Linux.
23:40.13richacvbox is also very user friendly
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23:40.28babilenAnwyay, I guess that is you sorted. We should probably head over to #debian-offtopic for chatting.
23:40.30nikio_babilen, I like Windows 7 , for example there is nothing on linux that beats microsoft Outlook
23:40.46nikio_babilen, yes thank you
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23:40.52babilenrichac: I personally prefer virsh and virt-manager, but fair enough.
23:41.53babilennikio_: You are welcome, glad that richac walked you through the guest extensions malarky. Enjoy Debian! You might want to read the excellent (and free!) http://debian-handbook.info/ in due course
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23:42.35richacat least with windows you won't have to recompile the vbox driver everytimg you update host kernel lol
23:43.02richaccya guys later
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23:43.40nikio_cyou!
23:44.00nikio_babilen, thanks bookmarked it
23:44.11nikio_looks like a good book
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23:50.54AR45Does anyone know what the chrome nightly repos are
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