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| 00:02.13 | Poutsa | hello is this config fine |
| 00:02.16 | Poutsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.49 | cra1g321 | ^ ban |
| 00:02.57 | trem0r | yeah wtf |
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| 00:03.11 | Poutsa | ban you |
| 00:03.18 | cra1g321 | who's you ? |
| 00:03.58 | trem0r | Wish I hadn't seen that. Disgusting |
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| 00:05.02 | cra1g321 | trem0r this is a handy site - http://www.getlinkinfo.com/ |
| 00:05.18 | cra1g321 | will show you what site it takes you to |
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| 00:05.42 | trem0r | Ah.. Thanks cra1g321 |
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| 01:16.37 | dd__ | Hi! |
| 01:16.50 | dd__ | I just installed Debian nd I have no ethernet, and it's probably because I have to install drivers |
| 01:16.52 | dd__ | Can someone help me? |
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| 01:18.01 | mns | dd__: what type of system do you have ? |
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| 01:18.28 | dd__ | Debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 01:18.37 | richac | dd__: what type of nic? |
| 01:18.38 | dd__ | debian 7. |
| 01:18.39 | dd__ | 6 |
| 01:18.43 | richac | usb? |
| 01:18.52 | dd__ | yeah I installed it through a usb |
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| 01:19.05 | richac | dd__: no what type of network card do you have? |
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| 01:19.08 | dd__ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558316 |
| 01:19.09 | dd__ | oh |
| 01:19.16 | dd__ | it says RealTek rtl-8169 GIGABIT ETHernet driver |
| 01:19.17 | dd__ | sorry for caps |
| 01:19.21 | dd__ | i found this through modinfo and lsmod |
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| 01:19.34 | dd__ | (im having the same problem as the link) |
| 01:19.35 | richac | hmm it should work? how are you connecting? |
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| 01:19.38 | dd__ | ethernet |
| 01:19.45 | dd__ | it can't find a dhcp server |
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| 01:20.45 | richac | what if you make it static? |
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| 01:20.55 | dd__ | I don't know how to do that |
| 01:20.58 | mns | is there a dhcp server on your network ? what do you see in the dhcp server logs ? |
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| 01:21.11 | dd__ | where do I check that? mns |
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| 01:21.15 | dd__ | I used windows before |
| 01:21.16 | dd__ | and it worked |
| 01:21.25 | dd__ | if you google my nic + debian you get some results |
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| 01:21.29 | dd__ | seems like people have had the same problem |
| 01:21.38 | richac | really? hmm |
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| 01:22.00 | dd__ | geez |
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| 01:22.05 | mns | you're using 3.2, the bug you pointed to is against the 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:22.06 | dd__ | is my kernel up to date richac? |
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| 01:22.37 | mns | what are you using for the dhcp server ? |
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| 01:22.51 | dd__ | mns: I tried autoconfiguring it at the beginning but it didn't work |
| 01:22.52 | dd__ | so I didn't do it |
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| 01:22.58 | richac | dd__: for wheezy i believe so |
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| 01:23.15 | richac | i guess you can try a newer one and see |
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| 01:23.31 | richac | dd__: do you have access to your router? |
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| 01:23.53 | dd__ | I do not richac |
| 01:23.55 | mns | dd__: you have your system with debian on it. what other systems do you have on your network ? |
| 01:23.56 | dd__ | it's a generic voip router |
| 01:24.01 | richac | dd__: i'm not sure i can help you then sorry |
| 01:24.02 | dd__ | I got from my ISP |
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| 01:24.13 | joren | anyone know how I might go about having partman identify drive letters by disk size or something? I've got some sas controllers that seem to be sort of erratic with drive lettering but I need to figure out how to make sure I always get the right disks |
| 01:24.13 | richac | dd__: is in your house? |
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| 01:24.42 | mns | dd__: you can still adminster it and control things like the dhcp server, firewall controls, etc. |
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| 01:25.24 | p0g0 | joren: UUID? |
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| 01:25.33 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.07 | joren | partman, the installer's partitioner, or at least the preseed's partitioner |
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| 01:28.49 | joren | I don't think UUIDs will help. I guess I probably just need a pre partitioning script that can feed variables into partman or something |
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| 01:47.58 | d___ | hello |
| 01:48.02 | d___ | I was just in here a while ago |
| 01:48.14 | d___ | I just installed debian and the internet doesn't work, the drivers are installed and I ca nconnect to it, but the dhcp isn't responding |
| 01:48.18 | d___ | could someone please help me? |
| 01:49.53 | richac | d___: you have to log into the router |
| 01:50.13 | d___ | and then? |
| 01:50.31 | d___ | richac: I can log into it |
| 01:50.35 | d___ | I don't have a physical access to it though |
| 01:50.43 | richac | actually did you try static? |
| 01:50.49 | d___ | I don't know how to do that |
| 01:51.03 | richac | from network manager in the panel. go to ipv4 set it manual |
| 01:51.12 | d___ | hold on |
| 01:51.41 | richac | then you put the dns servers, give your self an address on same ip range as router ip.....netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway is the router ip |
| 01:53.01 | d___ | I type 192.168.176.1 to log into the router richac |
| 01:53.06 | d___ | thats the gateway? |
| 01:53.12 | richac | ya |
| 01:53.15 | d___ | what's the address? |
| 01:53.19 | rebauld | you can't just set any ip you want - what is your setup - |
| 01:53.39 | d___ | I have a dynamic IP from my isp |
| 01:53.43 | richac | address could be 192.168.176.50 |
| 01:54.00 | richac | or anything you want for last digit under 255 |
| 01:54.07 | richac | and above 1 |
| 01:54.10 | d___ | so address = ip |
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| 01:54.39 | richac | that will be your computers ip on the lan |
| 01:55.22 | richac | make sure you don't put same ip as another device you already have connected |
| 01:55.39 | richac | or log into router and see whats connected |
| 01:55.54 | d___ | my current ip on this laptop is 176.10.137.*** |
| 01:56.02 | d___ | and I put 192.168.176.50 on the debian one |
| 01:56.20 | richac | d___: well i don't know how thats possible |
| 01:56.43 | richac | are you sure your not reading your internet ip? thats probably your ip on the web, but not in the lan |
| 01:57.08 | richac | type ifconfig on laptop to see your lan ip, or log into the router to see all the ips its connected, and give debian one thats not being used |
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| 01:58.49 | richac | brb |
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| 02:02.45 | joren | I think I just need to right some udev rules and give partman the paths that those rules create. should do the job :) |
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| 02:15.11 | AR45 | What's some powerful software for Linux so far I've discovered Krita and Blender and I must say I am suprised that they are open source. |
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| 02:18.48 | farmbuyer | I always thought g++ was pretty powerful. |
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| 02:18.59 | nszceta | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.05 | nszceta | does anybody use etcd? |
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| 02:30.46 | incal | I'm doing a kernel module, but I can't include the headers I'm used to, can I get them to work? |
| 02:31.00 | nszceta | ? |
| 02:32.01 | incal | e.g. unistd.h and many others |
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| 02:32.19 | incal | but some work e.g. linux/timer.h |
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| 02:34.19 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | Has anyone found the debian 4 source iso? |
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| 02:45.28 | richac | http://www.runthejewels.net/ |
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| 02:46.29 | sabun | richac, this is #debian not #jewish |
| 02:46.51 | richac | what does that mean? |
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| 03:30.15 | b0nn | hi all, I'm having some trouble with dpkg, it won't forget a file that it should have |
| 03:30.28 | mic_e | hi, I can't get wine to run on my 64-bit sid |
| 03:30.46 | mic_e | it says 'Failed writing PNG because unable to find libpng12.so.0' |
| 03:31.05 | mic_e | I already tried symlinking that library to /usr/lib, but that doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 03:31.06 | b0nn | the error it gives me (despite removing and purging the old package) is which trying to overwrite '/usr/share/ffdiaporama/devices.xml', which is also in package ffdiaporama-data 1.5-2build1 |
| 03:31.55 | mic_e | it also complains about not being able to find freetype, and ncurses. |
| 03:32.25 | justanotheruser | Please help W: Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroot/jessie dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_7.10_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.36_amd64.deb |
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| 03:32.30 | justanotheruser | http://hastebin.com/iwohucolox.vhdl |
| 03:32.31 | mic_e | b0nn: have you tried simply manually removing that file? |
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| 03:34.05 | b0nn | mic_e: yes |
| 03:34.15 | b0nn | and the directory it resides in, to no avail |
| 03:35.58 | mic_e | which package does dpkg -S list as the file owner? |
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| 03:37.44 | b0nn | ffdiaporama-data; someone asked me if I had removed that package, obviously I hadn't :\ |
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| 03:38.39 | b0nn | awesome sauce, it's installing now, thanks mic_e I never knew you could use dpkg to tekk you the package owner of a file |
| 03:39.12 | justanotheruser | Should I not be using "debootstrap jessie /srv/chroot/jessie" to create the system? |
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| 03:54.02 | shingouz | justanotheruser: i believe you should chroot first, then run the dpkg. for the next paste, show both the command and output. the mount point of the install drive does not really matter, you just need to chroot into it before you start installing things on the new system drive. |
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| 03:55.35 | justanotheruser | shingouz: this doesn't specify that I should chroot first https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
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| 03:58.45 | shingouz | justanotheruser: looks like a slightly different way of installing. i have used debootstrap for installs |
| 03:59.00 | shingouz | !tell justanotheruser about debootstrap |
| 03:59.31 | shingouz | justanotheruser: check the debian-administration.org link, it is pretty good |
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| 04:00.00 | justanotheruser | shingouz: both of those links say to make the dir then then run debootstrap <distro> <dir> |
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| 04:00.51 | shingouz | justanotheruser: yes. that pulls in the files for the system. before you can start working on the system, you need to chroot into it and do the rest of the install from there |
| 04:01.54 | shingouz | justanotheruser: lets say you do an apt-get install foo and try to get foo onto the new system, without the chroot /your/directory you will actually install foo on your main system |
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| 04:01.58 | Janos | trying to update wheezy but something really weird is going on, apt download speed is really slow around 40KB/s, but if I download the very same file from security with wget I get 1MB/s, any idea why this could happen ? What does apt uses to download ? |
| 04:02.01 | justanotheruser | shingouz: It looks like debootstrap sets up the env then I chroot into it "Once the system has finished you can use the chroot command to "jail" yourself inside it:" |
| 04:02.12 | shingouz | justanotheruser: exactly |
| 04:02.36 | justanotheruser | shingouz: I must not understand you because it seems you're saying chroot into it before I have set it up |
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| 04:02.55 | shingouz | justanotheruser: and after you have chrooted into it, you can make it bootable or whatever you want to do with it. just remember to mount things like proc and sys |
| 04:03.24 | justanotheruser | shingouz: if I try to chroot and I haven't done anything but created the dir it doesn't work (for the obvious reasons) chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 04:04.14 | shingouz | justanotheruser: you let debootstrap do its thing, it basically sets up the system. before you can use the system, you need to chroot into it. as in, you have just the base system after debootstrap, when you want to install other things like X or something, you need to chroot |
| 04:04.35 | shingouz | justanotheruser: obviously. it needs a system to chroot into' |
| 04:04.46 | justanotheruser | shingouz: sorry, it wasn't clear but the error I got was from the debootstrap command |
| 04:04.50 | justanotheruser | I'll give the full output |
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| 04:05.48 | justanotheruser | shingouz: I was confused, it seems we had a chicken and egg problem :) |
| 04:06.00 | shingouz | Janos: apt uses wget iirc. are you trying to download from the exactly same repo? |
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| 04:06.27 | shingouz | justanotheruser: mmm... not really. chicken and drumsticks problem more likely |
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| 04:07.37 | justanotheruser | shingouz: http://hastebin.com/xozaxuqafa.avrasm |
| 04:07.48 | shingouz | justanotheruser: i just hooked on this one: chroot /srv/chroot/jessie dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/. if you really ran that command, you missed the ; between the chroot and dpkg |
| 04:07.50 | shingouz | lest see |
| 04:09.32 | Janos | shingouz, well AFAIK yes, apt tells me this, Get:1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 amd64 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 [23.4 MB] |
| 04:09.53 | justanotheruser | weird, it looks to be installing 7.10 when I specified jessie |
| 04:09.53 | justanotheruser | chroot /jessie-chroot dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_7.10_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.36_amd64.deb |
| 04:09.55 | shingouz | ok.. i believe... the command you used is correct but it seems to me that there is something weird going on with the base-files package |
| 04:10.26 | Janos | and my wget looks like this wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.63-2+deb7u1_amd64.deb |
| 04:10.34 | justanotheruser | shingouz: what do you think the correct command is/ |
| 04:10.52 | shingouz | justanotheruser: try to install stable just for shits and giggles. it might be that the testing has something strange going on. you can dist-upgrade from stable |
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| 04:12.15 | shingouz | justanotheruser: i usually do a stable install and then dist-upgrade to whatever i actually want. i find that the stable install files are the most... well... stable |
| 04:12.17 | Janos | meh, security.debian.org has multiple addresses, i was probably getting a different one with the wget |
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| 04:12.48 | justanotheruser | shingouz: same error |
| 04:13.08 | justanotheruser | sudo debootstrap wheezy /jessie-chroot/ |
| 04:13.28 | shingouz | justanotheruser: now is a time for a wtf |
| 04:14.06 | justanotheruser | wtf |
| 04:14.09 | shingouz | Janos: that sounds like a possible cause. you also might have had some congestion in the intartubes when you were doing the apt.get |
| 04:14.16 | justanotheruser | shingouz: did I break my system? |
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| 04:14.37 | shingouz | justanotheruser: unlikely |
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| 04:15.28 | justanotheruser | I mean did I break my system previously causing this problem |
| 04:15.35 | shingouz | justanotheruser: it just looks like there is something fishy going on with the one file taht barfs. debootstrap only pulls in and sets up the new system |
| 04:15.57 | shingouz | justanotheruser: unlikely if you did not use a swiss army chainsaw at some point |
| 04:17.06 | justanotheruser | shingouz: well the first error is dpkg: regarding .../base-files_7.10_amd64.deb containing base-files, pre-dependency problem: base-files pre-depends on awk awk is not installed. |
| 04:17.12 | shingouz | justanotheruser: let me see if i can replicate that on my box. stand by |
| 04:17.38 | justanotheruser | ok thanks |
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| 04:22.03 | shingouz | justanotheruser: when i installed debootstrap on sid i got a listbugs barf about "hosts /run/shm gets unmounted after debootstrap run". check your mounts |
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| 04:24.27 | justanotheruser | shingouz: not exactly sure what I should be looking for http://hastebin.com/inoxahotez.hs |
| 04:27.04 | shingouz | justanotheruser: mount | grep run or mount | grep shm should do it |
| 04:27.28 | shingouz | mount | grep '/run/shm' should do it better |
| 04:27.39 | shingouz | if unmounted, remount |
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| 04:32.51 | justanotheruser | shingouz: that command returned tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1552140k) |
| 04:33.06 | justanotheruser | then I ran the debootstrap command and it gave the same error |
| 04:33.26 | justanotheruser | With what appears to be the exact same debootstrap.log |
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| 04:34.20 | shingouz | justanotheruser: still waiting for debootstrap to do its magic here. very slow for some reason. hang on :) |
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| 04:37.56 | Arahael | Is vfat _still_ the best filesystem for removable media? :/ |
| 04:38.37 | heurist | Arahael: it is still about the only one that is supported by all OSes out of the box. |
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| 04:38.52 | shingouz | Arahael: that does seem to work on pretty much everything. otoh, i have seen some new TB class drives formatted to ntfs out of the box |
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| 04:42.35 | shingouz | justanotheruser: still pulling in packages. ill get some caffeine and ping you when i get some results. hang on there, go kick the neighbors idiot $creature if you need to cool down a bit ;) |
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| 04:43.40 | Arahael | shingouz: NTFS isn't well supported on mac os x, though, is it? (Nor Android) |
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| 04:44.38 | Arahael | heurist: That's the problem. :( Back in the day I tried using an ext3 drive in windows, and differetn machiens, but jugglign permissions became nearly a joke. :( (And the automounters...) |
| 04:45.08 | justanotheruser | shingouz: I appreciate your help. |
| 04:45.09 | shingouz | Arahael: i have no idea what osx supports, much less what windows works with these days |
| 04:45.25 | heurist | Arahael: if you want to mix OSes you need to cater to the lowest common denominator, this is Windows in most cases. so fat or ntfs are you only real choices. |
| 04:45.54 | shingouz | punchcards :p |
| 04:46.24 | heurist | Arahael: OSX supports NTFS via ntfs-3g, same as Linux, just harder to install. |
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| 04:48.14 | justanotheruser | shingouz: do you think maybe I should use the 1.0.64 backport instead of 1.0.48 |
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| 04:48.56 | justanotheruser | (backport of debootstrap) |
| 04:49.01 | Arahael | Good to know, so optimum is probably still fat32 for small drives, and ntfs for larger drives. |
| 04:49.11 | shingouz | justanotheruser: try it. if it works, you're golden |
| 04:49.29 | heurist | Arahael: if you want a wide range of OS support, yes. |
| 04:49.30 | shingouz | Arahael: about so, yes |
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| 04:50.39 | Arahael | Almost depressing that there's no standard for encrypted drives, though. |
| 04:50.39 | shingouz | mumbles something especially vile and unprintable about his network speeds |
| 04:51.58 | OERIAS | ubuntu. |
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| 05:05.01 | justanotheruser | shingouz: o_O installed successfully |
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| 05:05.15 | justanotheruser | I guess they fixed it. Thanks for your help |
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| 05:05.45 | shingouz | justanotheruser: it worked? cool. i am still trying to replicate the problem here, my nyetwork speeds are crap at the moment |
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| 05:06.06 | shingouz | justanotheruser: umm... what was the problem? different version of debootstrap? |
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| 05:10.27 | justanotheruser | shingouz: the solution was updating. Not sure what the problem was |
| 05:11.00 | shingouz | justanotheruser: works here without a hitch. on the other hand, i *am* on sid both on the host and install. debootstrap 1.0.64 |
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| 05:11.38 | justanotheruser | well it works with 1.0.64 and not 1.0.48 :) |
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| 05:12.25 | shingouz | justanotheruser: maybe you should report a bug on that one. looks like you have a crapload of logs to go with it |
| 05:13.12 | justanotheruser | shingouz: to debian you mean? |
| 05:13.17 | shingouz | yup |
| 05:13.42 | shingouz | "base system installed successfully" spits the box |
| 05:16.59 | justanotheruser | shingouz: any idea whats up with these nonfatal when "schroot -c jessie" http://hastebin.com/soqudakasu.avrasm |
| 05:17.21 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | amazon |
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| 05:18.24 | somiaj | justanotheruser: looks to me like you have an old config that needs to be updated. Using a deprecated config option and you have two names for the chroot |
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| 05:21.19 | justanotheruser | somiaj: is there a conf file I should be looking at other than /etc/schroot/schroot.conf? Because all I have there is what I just put http://hastebin.com/disacexufu.hs and a bunch of stuff that was already there and is commented out |
| 05:21.28 | justanotheruser | (it came commented out before I touched it) |
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| 05:22.44 | somiaj | justanotheruser: again it said that option 8 is depreciated. You will have to look up the correct config options needed |
| 05:24.05 | somiaj | I haven't used schroot in a long time so not sure what the correct options would be |
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| 05:34.10 | luminous | hello! when installing software that uses gcc, I sometimes run into an error with the -fstack-protect-strong flag is missing. how does one fix this? updating to gcc (4.9?) is needed? |
| 05:37.14 | somiaj | luminous: I'm unfamilar with the details but you are needing a version of gcc newer than in wheezy for some of the software you want to compile? |
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| 05:37.24 | somiaj | ,v gcc4.9 |
| 05:37.26 | judd | No package named 'gcc4.9' was found in i386. |
| 05:37.29 | somiaj | ,v gcc-4.9 |
| 05:37.30 | judd | Package: gcc-4.9 on i386 -- jessie: 4.9.1-19; sid: 4.9.2-1 |
| 05:38.39 | luminous | somiaj: I've seen a post to suggest that 4.9 has this new option some software builds are looking for |
| 05:38.51 | luminous | seems unavailable for wheezy |
| 05:39.19 | somiaj | luminous: correct. You could try to backport it, but is there a way to just not use that option via the ./configure script? |
| 05:39.31 | luminous | somiaj: I will dig there |
| 05:39.36 | luminous | (there ought to be) |
| 05:40.01 | somiaj | I'm surprised it doesn't try to detect what version of gcc is installed. |
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| 05:58.46 | justanotheruser | I'm trying to run qtcreator in jessie, but it requires Gen6+ requires Kernel 3.6 or later. |
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| 05:59.18 | justanotheruser | why would a package in jessie require a kernel higher than the kernel used in jessie? |
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| 06:00.53 | somiaj | justanotheruser: the kernel in jessie is 3.16 which is newer than 3.6 |
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| 06:02.39 | Dr_Coke | how can I get my debian jessie mouse cursor to change in cinnamon |
| 06:02.59 | Dr_Coke | it won't change and it's big on the desktop and small in an application like skype |
| 06:03.30 | justanotheruser | somiaj: oh right, I forgot how version numbers work :P |
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| 06:05.56 | justanotheruser | wtf, why is my version number not jessie? Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:06.32 | somiaj | that is the wheezy kernel |
| 06:06.39 | somiaj | maybe you never upgraded kernels when you upgraded to jessie |
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| 06:07.18 | justanotheruser | I am in a chroot environment created by debootstrap |
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| 06:07.28 | justanotheruser | in sources.list it says deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main |
| 06:07.37 | somiaj | chroot enviroments will use the kernel of the host |
| 06:07.42 | justanotheruser | oh |
| 06:07.51 | somiaj | so that explains that (: |
| 06:08.00 | justanotheruser | So I can't update my kernel I assume? |
| 06:08.23 | somiaj | you can get a 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports for the host |
| 06:08.43 | justanotheruser | ok |
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| 06:09.21 | justanotheruser | somiaj: linux-base right? |
| 06:10.24 | somiaj | no it will be linux-image-3.16-(other stuff that includes arch plus backport codes) |
| 06:10.50 | somiaj | but you will have to enable the wheezy-backports sources in your wheezy host |
| 06:13.07 | justanotheruser | I am using the testing backport, yes. Which of the codes do I use? 0, 2, 3? |
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| 06:39.44 | veek | how do i setup locale utf-8 for my xterm? i have the locales installed (locale -a) i've set LANG, XTERM_LOCALE and in .Xdefaults made entries xterm*locale: true xterm*utf8: 1 |
| 06:40.10 | veek | but when i do, in python, locale.getdefaultlocale()[1] it says iso8859-1 |
| 06:40.38 | somiaj | veek: you could run dpkg-reconfigure locales. You can select which ones you need to generate and set the default one |
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| 06:41.43 | veek | somiaj, did that locale -a lists them |
| 06:41.58 | veek | how do i get xterm to use it |
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| 06:48.02 | somiaj | veek: is it just xterm, does uxterm work? |
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| 06:48.56 | veek | lemme see i don't think i have uxterm installed |
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| 06:49.08 | veek | ah it's there |
| 06:49.27 | veek | Ooo works |
| 06:49.32 | veek | wth?? |
| 06:52.34 | somiaj | uxterm is just xterm for utf-8 enviroments |
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| 06:56.22 | veek | so i should just switch to uxterm when i need unicode? |
| 06:57.05 | veek | oh it's a wrapper script.. |
| 06:57.07 | veek | hmm.. |
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| 07:12.45 | justanotheruser | I'm trying to run qtcreator within my chroot environment, but it gives me this error. http://hastebin.com/orocemiqot.vhdl |
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| 07:19.25 | OERIAS | ubuntu! |
| 07:19.42 | justanotheruser | OERIAS: #bloatware please |
| 07:19.46 | akhman | debin! |
| 07:19.51 | akhman | debian i mean ! |
| 07:20.07 | OERIAS | justanotheruser, that's why I said to be funny it is bloat |
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| 07:20.35 | OERIAS | raspbian! |
| 07:21.03 | ^v | heheh |
| 07:23.26 | akhman | ? |
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| 07:28.36 | mo1991 | just joined #bloatware and was the only user???? :) |
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| 07:30.36 | mo1991 | so, it seems compiz .9 is making its way back to debian. As an XFCE user who has crappy vision and have been using a much out dated compiz , I'm glad to see this. Although I'm not seeing it in SID yet, it apparently has been packaged and an upload request made. |
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| 07:31.12 | somiaj | at this time it won't get in jessie and is there actually support, last I saw compiz was a dead project |
| 07:31.31 | mo1991 | .9 in the past was always way more buggy than .8, but takes up far less resources, so getting a now more evolved .9 into debian is nice for us guys used to it |
| 07:31.45 | mo1991 | somiaj - its been dead for over 2 years. But breathing back to life soon. |
| 07:32.51 | mo1991 | It should be noted that the packaging for sid has been done, and that an |
| 07:32.51 | mo1991 | upload request has been made. |
| 07:32.51 | mo1991 | -- |
| 07:32.51 | mo1991 | ksamak |
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| 07:33.41 | mo1991 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722451 |
| 07:35.09 | mo1991 | anyway, 3 days ago upload request for compiz 0.9.12 - doesn't matter for lots of people - does matter to those of us that it really helps blindness finding cursor, magnification, etc for xfce |
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| 07:35.56 | justanotheruser | I'm trying to run qtcreator within my chroot environment, but it gives me this error. http://hastebin.com/orocemiqot.vhdl |
| 07:36.11 | mo1991 | somiaj - but yes it won't get into Jessie, so what tho easy to backport, etc |
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| 07:36.46 | mo1991 | just nice to not have to search like hell to install it as I had to for wheezy |
| 07:37.19 | nikio_ | how do i run xfce from gnome, and ake sure it will boot into xfce next time? |
| 07:37.34 | nikio_ | *make |
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| 07:38.14 | somiaj | nikio_: you should be able to select your session when you login to teh graphical display maanger at boot |
| 07:38.34 | nikio_ | in grub? |
| 07:39.37 | somiaj | no |
| 07:39.53 | somiaj | after you boot it should give you a graphical login screen unless you set up some autologin |
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| 07:40.41 | anton02 | this is a large and populous channel you have here |
| 07:41.48 | nikio_ | somiaj, what about from gnome? |
| 07:42.37 | mo1991 | nikio log out of gnome and then log into XFCE |
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| 07:43.05 | mo1991 | from your login manager. This assumes you have installed XFCE. If not apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
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| 07:45.15 | nikio_ | hmm |
| 07:45.28 | nikio_ | why cant i select an application simply |
| 07:45.29 | RayzrShrp | is there a web chat program i can run on my apache server? |
| 07:45.31 | nikio_ | in gnome 3 |
| 07:45.59 | nikio_ | i was used to fallback mode and for example there was always an xchat button or tabs at the bottom |
| 07:46.04 | nikio_ | to select an applicaiton |
| 07:46.14 | nikio_ | now you have to go to activities? |
| 07:46.35 | nikio_ | an extra step, which takes long becausee of the 'fancy' gnome3 feature |
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| 07:55.54 | babilen | nikio_: Please stop whining |
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| 08:00.23 | mo1991 | nikio - what babilen said :) also just install xfce4 - even Linus prefers it :) |
| 08:01.49 | sm0gg | how to get external soundcard to work in flashplayer? |
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| 08:02.22 | nikio_ | weird though |
| 08:02.58 | somiaj | sm0gg: you mean in your webbrowser? Just configure the default sound card with .asoundrc or if you use pulseaudio, use that |
| 08:03.23 | sm0gg | yeah, in browser |
| 08:03.27 | sm0gg | having probs |
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| 08:03.50 | somiaj | do you use alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 08:04.22 | sm0gg | alsa, I have configured default sc but browser flash wont recog |
| 08:04.31 | sm0gg | & no settings |
| 08:05.28 | sm0gg | should I try pulseaudio? |
| 08:06.07 | somiaj | you have to fully restart teh webbrowser to get it to attach to the new defaults |
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| 08:06.30 | sm0gg | define 'fully restart' ploxx |
| 08:06.40 | mo1991 | sm0gg - imho, especially if you are going to switch back and forth between soundcards on a regular basis, pulseaudio is worth installing. it allows "on the fly" switching of soundcards |
| 08:06.57 | sm0gg | I only use the external |
| 08:07.15 | sm0gg | I have it hooked up to a reciever |
| 08:07.19 | somiaj | close all browers so there is no procsses running anymore. then start it again |
| 08:08.03 | mo1991 | well, you can configure also to do it which has less latency and is more stable, or you can install pulse which is more versatile but more buggy - although I find it works fine in wheezy |
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| 08:09.27 | mo1991 | I switch between 6 soundcards, so pulse is great. if you've got one i'd just get also using that 1 |
| 08:09.27 | sm0gg | might try, being a real problem' |
| 08:09.39 | justanotheruser | Anyone know what would be causing this problem with running qtcreator in a chroot environment? http://hastebin.com/lixahiximo.vbs |
| 08:10.05 | sm0gg | it's not the default though, I have onboard sc that the flashplayer defaults to |
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| 08:10.25 | somiaj | sm0gg: how did you set the default card? |
| 08:10.52 | sm0gg | don't remember |
| 08:11.09 | sm0gg | in also settings mething=ks |
| 08:11.25 | sm0gg | *alsa |
| 08:12.31 | sm0gg | gonna log back into deb & have a looksee |
| 08:12.37 | sm0gg | thx |
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| 08:13.32 | babilen | nikio_: https://extensions.gnome.org/ is probably a place you want to take a look at. I wouldn't encessarily recommend XFCE as its development has slower to almost a crawl, but you might prefer it over Gnome 3 if that is what you are looking for. |
| 08:14.33 | nikio_ | linus torvals prefers xfce? |
| 08:14.41 | babilen | nikio_: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/437/mylauncher/ (and thousand others i guess, learn to fix your problems, not complain about them) |
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| 08:16.21 | nikio_ | well id like to be able to use gmnome 3 , but its not really a viable option |
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| 08:17.13 | babilen | If you want speed then use a window manager such as i3 or fluxbox rather than a DE |
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| 08:21.39 | nikio_ | babilen, http://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/#comments |
| 08:21.50 | nikio_ | i like the diagram at the end |
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| 08:26.55 | smartass | hi, I'am trying to install Adobe Air (not a fan, just need to test one app Klok) on wheezy, most tutors talk of .deb archives, but I cannot find any ... any ideas? |
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| 08:28.13 | heurist | dpkg: tell nikio_ -about crosspost |
| 08:28.53 | nikio_ | im gathering diffeerent peples methods |
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| 08:53.22 | g00se | Will kFreeBsd be in the installer when Jessie goes stable? |
| 08:54.18 | somiaj | what do you mean by that? Will there be an installer for kfreebsd? |
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| 08:58.27 | g00se | Yes, there is often an installer allowing kFreeBsd to be installed instead of a Linux kernel |
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| 09:01.01 | sm0gg | well....i got my external sc working, thanks guys |
| 09:01.13 | sm0gg | so stoked |
| 09:01.28 | somiaj | g00se: I don't think it works that way. The binaries need to be compiled to run on the kfreebsd kernel. It is a port (not just another kernel), so it will have its own installer. But you will have to get this installer sepertally. |
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| 09:03.43 | g00se | Well i've seen both options in the same installer in the past |
| 09:03.58 | g00se | (but that's not a problem) |
| 09:05.07 | g00se | But the next question is: will sysvinit remain in the kFreeBsd Debian? |
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| 09:05.48 | somiaj | sysvinit is in debian jessie. It just wno't be default on linux kernel installs. But you can choose to install the init system you want to use |
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| 09:06.27 | somiaj | and yes systemd wnt be included with the kfreebsd port as it won't run there |
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| 09:07.41 | g00se | wonders how long two parallel init systems will be supported |
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| 09:08.46 | somiaj | one release at a time. Though jessie will be the second release that has both systemd and sysvinit |
| 09:10.12 | g00se | Ah, i didn't know that. I assumed it was the first |
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| 09:10.53 | justanotheruser | If I use a backport with a ton of dependencies, the dependencies don't replace their old versions right? |
| 09:11.19 | somiaj | systemd was only in wheezy as a technology preview. |
| 09:12.06 | g00se | justanotheruser: i they did, wouldn't they break what was originally using the old ones? |
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| 09:12.15 | g00se | s/i/if |
| 09:14.40 | g00se | I did systemd --test yesterday hoping to see something that might have seemed like an advance, but only got what looked like an opaque reference-based output |
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| 09:17.13 | justanotheruser | g00se: I figured, just wanted to be sure |
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| 09:20.23 | justanotheruser | g00se: umm, it says "removing" a lot of things |
| 09:20.54 | justanotheruser | aptitude -t testing install qtcreator |
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| 09:21.29 | justanotheruser | and it now wants to stop kde http://hastebin.com/iniluqavag.vbs |
| 09:21.34 | justanotheruser | I'm scared |
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| 09:24.32 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | kde |
| 09:25.15 | justanotheruser | please help |
| 09:25.25 | justanotheruser | I don't know if I should cancel and reinstall everything or what |
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| 09:26.32 | g00se | justanotheruser: can't help right now i'm afraid - gotta go. Last resort, yes - reinstall |
| 09:26.51 | justanotheruser | g00se: ok thanks |
| 09:27.06 | justanotheruser | so "removing" means for sure it isn't just adding for the backport? |
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| 10:19.10 | justanotheruser | How do I install a backport with dependencies that don't replace the old systems dependencies? |
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| 10:21.08 | g00se | somiaj: if you were to do a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie, would you get systemd? |
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| 10:22.42 | g00se | justanotheruser: i'm not sure but what about a vm workaround? |
| 10:23.57 | dancus | the package in backport replace only own dependecies not all of the system |
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| 10:28.24 | Walex | justanotheruser: you cannot. One of the masjor limitations of DPKG is that it cannot install two versions of the same package. Perhaps in a long time this will be fixed, as the multiarch defect was fixed too. |
| 10:28.25 | justanotheruser | dancus: not on my system |
| 10:29.17 | Dr_Coke | can someone tell me how to fix the bugg in the mouse cursor where it won't change it's theme or size |
| 10:29.24 | Dr_Coke | in debian jessie |
| 10:30.00 | Dr_Coke | cinnamon |
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| 10:33.11 | cinvoke | how do i make www-data a real user that auto calls a .bashrc ? |
| 10:33.36 | g00se | cinvoke: your goal? |
| 10:35.11 | cinvoke | g00se: i want to login with www-data with a key (this part works) but i want a .bashrc file to auto source |
| 10:35.54 | g00se | http://technojeeves.com/index.php/aliasjava1/15-smart-questions (you're still not describing your goal) |
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| 10:36.57 | ahop | Hello! |
| 10:37.22 | ahop | Just for learning, would you know in which source file (of the kernel?) is the code that allow "login" in Linux ? |
| 10:37.46 | ahop | i.e. looking in the "users" table, see if user input matches this file, authorize login, etc. |
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| 10:38.43 | cinvoke | g00se: my goal is only to treat www-data as a real user with a home folder. strictly academic purposes. right now the bashrc in his home folder is not auto sourcing. i want to understand how something is auto sourced, like bashrc. there must be some area that controls this? |
| 10:38.47 | cinvoke | no |
| 10:38.48 | cinvoke | other |
| 10:38.49 | cinvoke | goal |
| 10:39.02 | somiaj | g00se: yes, but you can easily make it so you won't |
| 10:39.33 | somiaj | g00se: the current sysvinit package is now a transitional package that will pull in systemd. What you will want to do is install the new sysvinit packages first, then do the upgrade. |
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| 10:39.44 | somiaj | sysvinit-core I think is the package name |
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| 10:39.57 | cinvoke | i changed the line in /etc/passwd for www-date from /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 10:40.00 | ahop | g00se: any idea? (I Don't ping you randomly, i ping you because we alrady spoke a few days ago) ? |
| 10:40.47 | g00se | ahop: i'd say follow it _inwards_ from the desktop manager |
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| 10:41.44 | g00se | somiaj: so you're saying, install sysvinit-core explicitly first, which replace current wheezy sysvinit? |
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| 10:42.27 | somiaj | g00se: it will just upgrade you to the jessi version of sysvinit (and set it up to be compadable with jessie) |
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| 10:43.11 | ahop | g00se: what does _inwards_ mean here ? |
| 10:43.53 | somiaj | g00se: then when you do the dist-upgrade systemd won't get pulled in (unless of course you have software that would need systemd-shim) |
| 10:44.05 | g00se | It means trace the functionality of 'login' from where you actuall do it, wherever it leads you |
| 10:44.58 | g00se | somiaj: in that case you'd have software X + systemd + sysvinit + systemd-shim? |
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| 10:45.17 | cinvoke | does anyone know how linux decides when and when not to source a users .bashrc ? |
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| 10:46.05 | cinvoke | or how an account is a full user or just a system user |
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| 10:46.35 | xoda | cinvoke: it is not linux, it is the bash process. Read http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-Startup-Files.html |
| 10:46.49 | cinvoke | xoda: thank you |
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| 10:47.41 | somiaj | g00se: no, as I said if you install sysvinit-core before the upgrade you won't switch to systemd on the upgrade. This doesn't mean that if you have gnome or some other software which needs non-init parts of systemd that systemd-shim (the non-init parts) won't get pulled in |
| 10:48.14 | xoda | from the point of view of linux (the kernel) a user is just a user, on top of that there are the sudo and su processes that read /etc/sudoers to allow some or all commands. |
| 10:48.46 | xoda | cinvoke: what is your real problem / final goal |
| 10:48.46 | g00se | So systemd-shim ensures that systemd is not required (excuse my ignorance)? |
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| 10:49.06 | somiaj | g00se: no. |
| 10:49.33 | somiaj | g00se: systemd is more than an init system, it contains things like udev, polickit and various other things that gnome (and possibly other applications) need |
| 10:49.59 | g00se | somiaj: Thanks, that's very useful. Likely to become a faq i'm guessing ... |
| 10:50.08 | somiaj | g00se: systemd-shim is the parts of systemd that other software may need minus the init part so as I said you can use sysvinit just fine. |
| 10:50.25 | somiaj | it already is if you would read up on this. But yes I expect the release notes to talk about this |
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| 10:51.24 | cinvoke | xoda: only to treat www-data as a real user. i thought adding a .bashrc was enough and changing the line in passwd from /bin/sh to /bin/bash. i just wanted to understand what was responsible for treating a user as a user or a system user. |
| 10:51.34 | cinvoke | xoda: the link you sent was perfect |
| 10:51.41 | g00se | I'm guessing you've guessed my motivation for the kFreeBsd thing but also i'm interested in zfs |
| 10:52.31 | somiaj | g00se: what kfreebsd thing? kfreebsd is a full port (not just another kernel). If you are going to run the kfreebsd port you will not have any part of systemd installed on your system, as a side effect you also can't use gnome. |
| 10:53.02 | g00se | That's fine by me ;) |
| 10:53.21 | somiaj | and in that case everythign I said won't apply. I was talking about the i386 and amd64 ports |
| 10:53.36 | g00se | I've never touched Gnome, even before it went more TIFKAM |
| 10:54.11 | g00se | somiaj: oh yes, the dist-upgrade is where i'd be staying with linux Jessie |
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| 10:54.42 | somiaj | but you won't be able to dist-upgrade a currnt i386/amd64 install to kfreebsd, that would require a fresh install |
| 10:55.11 | g00se | No that's fine. That's another (fresh) scenario altogether |
| 10:55.17 | cinvoke | xoda: i guess the only goal which i didnt know until i read this link you sent,thank you again, was to understand interactive and non-interactive shells. |
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| 10:55.52 | g00se | That's not your goal either ;) |
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| 10:57.10 | cinvoke | g00se: then i dont know my goal? |
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| 10:57.18 | cinvoke | why cant that be a goal |
| 10:57.54 | cinvoke | goal: go from a to b. purpose to understand path. |
| 10:58.02 | cinvoke | goal |
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| 11:00.57 | cinvoke | ok perhaps ive been doing this all along . my apologies |
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| 11:02.47 | cinvoke | when i login with www-data using a key my .bashrc file is not sourced. i assume that it should be as i would like to have certain commands only available to the www-data user when i login. i could be overcomplicating things, but id like to handle all admin from the www-data user. |
| 11:03.00 | cinvoke | is that any betteR? |
| 11:03.14 | xoda | cinvoke: that's perfect |
| 11:03.20 | cinvoke | :) |
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| 11:04.02 | xoda | I have no experience with www-data in particular, and do not know how to help for this problem. But this is going to make the path clear for other helper people |
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| 11:04.36 | cinvoke | sweet |
| 11:04.50 | critias | a while back there was this problem with openssl in the press. Is this fixed in openssl 1.0.1e ? |
| 11:05.17 | somiaj | critias: debian wheezy has fixed the issue with sercurity patches for the version in wheezy from security.debian.org |
| 11:05.39 | somiaj | critias: and the versions in jessie/sid should be new enough to be fixed too (afiak they are) |
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| 11:06.07 | somiaj | critias: also check the topic, openssl: /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
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| 11:08.52 | grig | do you have any idea what is the 'client' in this message: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 340.32 |
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| 11:12.58 | xoda | grig: no idea what NVRM is, but an API is a contract between two softwares, one is generally called the 'server' and the other 'client' |
| 11:13.04 | somiaj | grig: yes you did an upgrade but still have the old nvidia module loaded. You'll have to shutdown xorg, then remove and reload the nvidia module (or reboot) |
| 11:13.23 | somiaj | xoda: its nvidia graphics module |
| 11:14.14 | grig | somiaj: did that dozens of times, I can't shake the damn 340.32 version from the kernel |
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| 11:14.44 | somiaj | grig: what version of debian are you running? Can you paste the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia at paste.debian.net |
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| 11:15.04 | xoda | thx somija |
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| 11:15.52 | grig | somiaj: I'm running Kali 2.0~alpha1, an update that happened yesterday |
| 11:16.20 | somiaj | so you are not running debian, go get support from kali linux as to why they have a version missmatch |
| 11:16.23 | somiaj | !kali |
| 11:16.24 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 11:17.34 | grig | this type of version mismatch happened on all distros |
| 11:18.02 | grig | I googled it and found posts involving just about every major distro |
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| 11:22.10 | valdyn | grig: the client is the program using opengl, the "server" is the nvidia kernel module |
| 11:22.20 | somiaj | grig: but we don't support kali linux here. The solution is to make sure the module and glx from nvidia have the same version. |
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| 11:22.37 | somiaj | but either way we choose only to support debian here. |
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| 11:47.46 | elbriga | howdy |
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| 11:54.06 | stark | hello how is microcode handled in the backported 3.14 lts kernel ? |
| 11:54.35 | stark | do i need to install any specific package ? |
| 11:54.51 | stark | or mess with grub ? |
| 11:56.16 | faekjarz | Hi, i'd like to chance the hwclock from LOCAL to UTC - how do i do that? |
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| 11:57.46 | nullbyte_ | i'ts possible to use kde 5 on deb? |
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| 11:59.09 | frangor | s/kde/plasma/g (?) |
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| 11:59.34 | faekjarz | during setup, there's a question if my hwclock is in UTC. Is there a package to dpkg-reconfigure to have that question asked again? |
| 12:00.10 | nullbyte_ | plasma |
| 12:00.33 | nullbyte_ | i thiink no |
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| 12:01.43 | frangor | I don't know but many people say me that kde is the community and plasma the desktop... |
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| 12:02.43 | nullbyte_ | KDE-plasma |
| 12:02.57 | nullbyte_ | the new name ot kfe framework 5 |
| 12:03.00 | nullbyte_ | KDE |
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| 12:07.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell faekjarz -about utc |
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| 12:09.35 | pkkm | what's the recommended way to set the default editor system-wide? select-editor (from the `sensible-utils` package)? update-alternatives? setting $EDITOR in /etc/profile? |
| 12:09.55 | stark | Microcodes anyone ? |
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| 12:10.40 | Guest27987 | I've got a major problem, unfortunately |
| 12:11.06 | Guest27987 | My keyboard won't respond anymore when I have to enter the passphrase to my LVM full disk encryption |
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| 12:11.20 | Guest27987 | Even CTRL-ALT-DEL won't have an effect. The screen isn't frozen, though, since it's still "blinking" where you input text. |
| 12:11.29 | Guest27987 | I'm completely shut out of my system. I appreciate any help |
| 12:12.22 | Guest27987 | Even CTRL-ALT-DEL won't have an effect. The screen isn't frozen, though, since it's still "blinking" where you input text. |
| 12:12.37 | Guest27987 | (sorry for the repost) |
| 12:14.09 | babilen | pkkm: You probably want to set EDITOR and configure 'editor' in the alternatives system. xdg-open (and other 'sensible' tools) obey that. |
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| 12:16.34 | pkkm | babilen: does $EDITOR or the 'editor' alternative take precedence? |
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| 12:17.41 | Doxin | so in a recent update, chromium started complaining about missing API keys. anyone got any clue what that's all about? |
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| 12:18.28 | edoardo | hello |
| 12:18.36 | edoardo | i'm making a small debian-based nas |
| 12:18.48 | babilen | pkkm: Environment variables are typicaller higher in precedence (overridden by options supplied on the command line) |
| 12:18.58 | edoardo | is it possible to optimize the hdd with some mount flags? |
| 12:19.00 | pkkm | thanks babilen |
| 12:19.00 | faekjarz | thanks babilen! i already solved my problem with a combo of rtfm, date --set, hwclock --systohc, tzconfig .... |
| 12:19.12 | babilen | heh |
| 12:19.18 | edoardo | i have already noatime, but i don't know what should i use |
| 12:19.22 | level7 | nas, you mean storage ? |
| 12:19.43 | babilen | faekjarz: You probably want to install <ntp> -- /msg dpkg ntp |
| 12:19.49 | edoardo | level7: network attached storage :) |
| 12:20.00 | level7 | ok |
| 12:20.18 | edoardo | so yeah, something i can put files in for backup and other things that's running 24/7 |
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| 12:20.47 | edoardo | on my ssd i'm using discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro |
| 12:21.10 | edoardo | but i doubt they'll have any effect on the nas, that's a simple external hdd |
| 12:21.34 | babilen | Guest27987: That reminds me of a bug that I stumbled over the other day (can't find it now) in which cryptsetup essentially opened two prompts so that you couldn't enter the passphrase. But given that you ask in #debian and not #debian-next you are experiencing this on wheezy rather than jessie or unstable aren't you? |
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| 12:23.37 | babilen | edoardo: I prefer relatime (default), but if you don't need that data then knock yourself out |
| 12:23.41 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys ! |
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| 12:24.31 | faekjarz | babilen: yes i do, but later :) before that, i want to research and reproduce an issue with ownclouds shared link expiration, i might have found a bug and want to be sure the server is configured right |
| 12:25.07 | babilen | sure |
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| 12:28.18 | shapeless | hi, I would like to install debian on my imac g5 64bit in dual boot with osx, I'm trying to figure out what's the right image to download/burn/put on usb, I've just tried with lubuntu for powerpc but it stops at boot (I think because of the 64bits), I've also tried to put a debian image on a usb stick but the boot loader can't see it and I had no success booting it from openboot (the instructions I've found seems to want |
| 12:28.18 | shapeless | to boot a different drive but I was not able to find the right one). would you please help me to choose the right image? thank you very much |
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| 12:33.32 | Walex | shapeless: did you find https://wiki.debian.org/iMacG5 |
| 12:34.54 | Walex | shapeless: and this one: https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
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| 12:38.06 | shapeless | thanks Walex, I've to read the first link (about the second, it's here I've to figure out what image to use...) |
| 12:38.15 | iomari_ | greetings, how can I set an envirmental variable to the current time? I tried ATIME=$(date +%d%m%y%H%M) and various methods using backticks but I only get the same time. It doesn't change like I want it. |
| 12:38.47 | valdyn | iomari_: what would be the point of this? |
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| 12:39.31 | iomari_ | I want to send the current time in a auto mail sent from alfresco whenever it boots. |
| 12:40.06 | valdyn | iomari_: why cant you directly run date there? |
| 12:40.40 | iomari_ | I need a variable |
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| 12:41.32 | valdyn | iomari_: you need to exectute some code (that date thing), if whatever it is you are doing cant just run date |
| 12:41.42 | valdyn | iomari_: then it cant run the variable contents either? |
| 12:42.11 | iomari_ | I can set the variable with no prob but it doesn't update |
| 12:42.31 | valdyn | iomari_: i *know* already that it doesnt update, its not supposed to |
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| 12:42.56 | iomari_ | But I need it to so the sysadmin knows what time the server was rebooted. |
| 12:42.59 | iomari_ | via mail |
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| 12:43.12 | Walex | shapeless: the one with the 'power64' kernel... |
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| 12:43.21 | valdyn | iomari_: no need to elaborate on that part, we know |
| 12:43.28 | iomari_ | ok |
| 12:43.37 | iomari_ | any solution? |
| 12:43.50 | valdyn | iomari_: whats unclear is is: if you cant run "date", how do you expect to be able to run "content of $ATIME" |
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| 12:44.41 | iomari_ | it's an auto mail. I can't run any command other than the conecnts of the mail and variables. |
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| 12:45.08 | iomari_ | contents |
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| 12:45.20 | valdyn | iomari_: a variable is not a function |
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| 12:46.11 | iomari_ | I know. But I was hoping I could get it working like my prompt string which updates each time you press enter. |
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| 12:46.51 | valdyn | iomari_: thats the same as your $ATIME trial |
| 12:47.08 | valdyn | iomari_: its not executed because its special, its executred because bash runs it |
| 12:47.14 | Walex | iomari_: "my prompt string which updates each time you press enter |
| 12:47.28 | iomari_ | I c. |
| 12:47.35 | Walex | iomari_: "my prompt string which updates each time you press enter" because every time you press enter it runs 'date'. |
| 12:48.00 | iomari_ | understood. |
| 12:48.23 | Walex | iomari_: perhaps you are missing a really beginner-level information: envuironment variables in a process are strings in an array of strings. They don't change. |
| 12:48.42 | valdyn | iomari_: im pretty sure your problem has a solution that is not very difficult, but you are asking about your idea of a solution, not about the actual problem |
| 12:48.44 | Walex | iomari_: unless the executable inside the process changes them. |
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| 12:49.29 | Walex | iomari_: if your problem is "I cannot execute any command yet I want to the current date", that's pretty hard to solve :-) |
| 12:49.45 | valdyn | iomari_: your should try an alfresco support channel anyway |
| 12:49.48 | iomari_ | Yeah I see that now |
| 12:50.28 | iomari_ | I'm on with alfresco but they don't respond nearly as fast as this channel. |
| 12:50.48 | iomari_ | thank you both. |
| 12:51.09 | stark | how is debian handling microcodes in 3.14 and newer kernels / |
| 12:51.12 | stark | ? |
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| 12:51.23 | valdyn | stark: you mean microcode updates |
| 12:52.02 | valdyn | stark: if the package is instealled, then the microcode is loaded when you boot up |
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| 12:54.27 | shapeless | I think this is the one: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian7.7/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc64/cdrom/ |
| 12:54.29 | shapeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.01 | stark | valdyn: yes intel-microcode updates so i should only install intel-ucode from backports for 3.14 and older intel ucode for 3.2 from the stable repos ? |
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| 12:55.30 | valdyn | stark: now i see |
| 12:55.47 | valdyn | stark: the microcode package version is independent from the kernel for all i know |
| 12:55.56 | hairy-potter | hello, recently there was for wheezy some updates to the headers, and now both my laptop and desktop (completely different models) started suffering kernel panics at random times, about once a day. is it known regression? |
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| 12:57.19 | valdyn | stark: so you can use an ancient ucode package and the latest kernel, or the latest ucode and an old kernel, normally |
| 12:58.17 | valdyn | hairy-potter: hardly, headers are not run |
| 12:59.06 | hairy-potter | hmm strange, it's since those updates that my computers started having random panics (which up till now they haven't ever done for years since i use debian) |
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| 12:59.24 | valdyn | hairy-potter: so more likely you missed another update |
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| 12:59.50 | hairy-potter | i'm a simpleton, i just do apt-get update & upgrade , i don't really know what happens in the background :) |
| 12:59.58 | Brigo | hairy-potter, may be not the headers, or some packages compiled against those headers |
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| 13:00.39 | valdyn | hairy-potter: there must have been something else. I dont know of any package that would automagically update and compile something when you just install new headers of any kind |
| 13:00.57 | Brigo | ValdikSS, dkms will do it. |
| 13:01.08 | valdyn | Brigo: it wont |
| 13:01.25 | hairy-potter | oh well, i'm too lazy to debug it, it will fix itself with the next update most probably, that is usually the case with something breaks in my linux :D |
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| 13:01.43 | stark | valdyn: i have two kernels 3.2 and backported 3.14, please provide a proper answer |
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| 13:02.11 | Brigo | hairy-potter, i do not think so, may be it will not be others update, since jessie is frozen. |
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| 13:02.22 | valdyn | stark: the ucode version you should use does not depend on the kernel |
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| 13:02.34 | hairy-potter | im on stable, which is wheezy now |
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| 13:02.48 | valdyn | stark: you can use a random one, you can read the changelog, you can just use the latest |
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| 13:04.00 | stark | valdyn: thank you so installig the backported one will also be in effect if i boot 3.2 ? |
| 13:04.11 | valdyn | stark: yea |
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| 13:05.21 | valdyn | stark: maybe it will help you to understand that microcode fixes may affect *any* program you run, the kernel is not especially dependent on any microcode update, much like your web browser or whatever |
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| 13:06.52 | netstar | :D |
| 13:07.23 | stark | valdyn: i do understand but the intel website listed cpus from pentium 4 to the latest ones ( mine is core 2 duo ) so that got me a bit worried even though i don't have tsx instructions |
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| 13:08.17 | valdyn | stark: hmm, but core 2 duo is indeed between "pentium 4 and the latest ones" |
| 13:08.19 | stark | valdyn: also some old mailing list reported the terrible things that can happen from not updating cpu microcodes |
| 13:08.42 | valdyn | stark: first you need to have a "terrible" cpu bug |
| 13:09.02 | valdyn | stark: of course that is theoretically possible |
| 13:09.07 | stark | valdyn: yes exactly 10 year old cpus getting updates |
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| 13:09.40 | luminous | hello! any debian python users having problems with gcc/cython/mcrypto/etc with -fstack-protector-strong? |
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| 13:12.07 | valdyn | stark: theres nothing to worry about. Especially since your cpu is that old it most probably is irrelevant if you use wheezy or backports ucode |
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| 13:13.15 | luminous | I have not been able to get pip install cython to work |
| 13:13.45 | valdyn | luminous: you are adding -fstack-foo yourself? |
| 13:13.49 | stark | valdyn: Yeah i suppose :) |
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| 13:15.26 | luminous | valdyn: most definitely not |
| 13:15.42 | luminous | valdyn: and I wasn't able to find it as an option in cython's installer code or make files |
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| 13:16.01 | valdyn | luminous: why do you think theres an issue then? |
| 13:16.05 | valdyn | luminous: do you want to add it? |
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| 13:16.22 | Rovanion | Can i get the build deps for a package in jessie when I'm on wheezy? |
| 13:16.24 | valdyn | luminous: thats a bad idea for most programs that run or compile code |
| 13:18.19 | luminous | valdyn: I don't want to add it |
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| 13:18.27 | luminous | valdyn: it's an obvious error, that's the problem |
| 13:18.33 | valdyn | luminous: ok, its not there, you dont want to add it |
| 13:18.36 | luminous | the install fails with the error |
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| 13:18.42 | valdyn | luminous: what is the error? |
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| 13:19.00 | luminous | valthat it can't find gcc's -fstack-protector-strong param/option |
| 13:19.03 | luminous | valdyn: ^ |
| 13:19.10 | luminous | I can't easily paste the whole error here |
| 13:19.13 | valdyn | luminous: no, show us the whole error |
| 13:19.20 | valdyn | luminous: you should use a paste site |
| 13:19.23 | luminous | I'm on wheeze |
| 13:19.25 | luminous | I'm on wheezy |
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| 13:19.38 | luminous | gcc 4.9 is where -fstack-protector-strong is available |
| 13:19.46 | luminous | wheezy does not have gcc 4.9 availalbe |
| 13:20.31 | valdyn | judd: versions gcc-4.9 |
| 13:20.32 | judd | Package: gcc-4.9 on i386 -- jessie: 4.9.1-19; sid: 4.9.2-1 |
| 13:20.36 | valdyn | to bad |
| 13:20.44 | luminous | yea |
| 13:20.56 | luminous | I just don't understand why cython/etc are trying to reference it |
| 13:21.02 | luminous | this option isn't even in cython's code |
| 13:21.37 | luminous | swig or something is introducing this option |
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| 13:24.42 | alabala123 | hello |
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| 13:26.07 | alabala123 | guys, can u help i get this error : "triggers ci file contains unknown directive `interest-noawait on old 2011 based installation when trying to instal some pkg |
| 13:26.53 | Nz17 | I need help. Ever since I upgraded my Debian installation to 64-bit, my programs can't access proxies. |
| 13:26.53 | mtn | !tell alabala123 about ask |
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| 13:27.33 | mtn | Nz17: how did you upgrade to 64 bit? |
| 13:28.31 | the_other_cat | Hi there. I'm trying to use the client/server capabilities of vim, yet the package provided by jessie isn't compiled with those (so --serverlist, --servername are unknown commands). Is there a package supporting those? |
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| 13:31.14 | Nz17 | mtn: It's a long story. Basically, I installed over an existing 32-bit installation. First I output a list of all of installed packages to a text file. Then I installed Stable 64-bit over Stable 32-bit with the official Debian CD image (disc 1). Then I reinstalled 64-bit versions of the old packages. I overwrote most of the package's config settings with the dpkg defaults. Then I rm'd... |
| 13:31.15 | Nz17 | ...any existing 32-bit binaries/library and broken symlinks. Everything is working fine except for the proxy thing. |
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| 13:31.57 | mtn | Nz17: are you saying you installed without formatting the partition? |
| 13:32.08 | Nz17 | Yes. |
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| 13:35.14 | rommel092079 | hi, I am using debian for my mysql server. what can you advice me what file system to use? currently I am using ext4 but i heard there is new XFS. |
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| 13:36.16 | shingouz | Nz17: apparently you still have some 32-bit things in there somewhere. i would just back up my /home and maybe some config files, then do a clean 64-bit install on the partition |
| 13:36.18 | mtn | rommel092079: that seems like something you would want to research and decide for yourself which is best in your case. |
| 13:36.43 | rommel092079 | mtn, can you give me a reading about it |
| 13:37.07 | mtn | rommel092079: I would start with the wikipedia chapters on each type you are interested in. |
| 13:37.29 | valdyn | a filesystem is not going to make your mysql server better |
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| 13:40.08 | rommel092079 | ok. but can you give me what is the most notable difference between xfs and ext4? |
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| 13:40.44 | valdyn | rommel092079: xfs is for huge files and for decent worst case performance |
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| 13:41.10 | valdyn | rommel092079: but ext4 is probably overall faster on average |
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| 13:50.26 | rommel092079 | but over all, if I were you, what would you use for your mysql database? |
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| 13:57.23 | nbb | Guys! I've server, that generates mails (cron jobs etc). I don't want to install and maintain full mail server on it. It should log in through smtp to gmail and send mail to me. I tried exim, nullmailer and nothing works. Go you have any good tutorial/article about it? |
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| 13:58.25 | valdyn | nbb: they work fine |
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| 13:58.53 | nikio_ | I did dpkg -l xfce4 and its shows ii |
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| 13:59.08 | nikio_ | but when i restart i see no option to start xfce |
| 13:59.33 | valdyn | nbb: even though, I think "ssmtp" is small and made for what you want |
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| 14:00.48 | SmokedCheese | sup guys |
| 14:00.58 | SmokedCheese | debian can into systemd --user? |
| 14:01.05 | nbb | valdyn: thanks, I will try it. |
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| 14:03.27 | nikio_ | nm |
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| 14:05.08 | SmokedCheese | http://pastie.org/private/rezsqch0n1msjjjamzwbzq no way to fix? |
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| 14:06.07 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: without sudo |
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| 14:07.32 | SmokedCheese | oh thanks |
| 14:07.33 | luminous | nbb: I'd also look at opensmtpd if you want more than ssmpt |
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| 14:08.37 | swiftwalker | Recently, I have discovered a severe privilege escalation vulnerability that affects the kernel range 2.6.32>3.17.2 - Debian, Ubuntu and specially Centos are remarkably affected. I'd like to work with the developers of Ubuntu on fixing this bug. It's not a simple bug, it's just as powerful as Heartbleed or anything else. |
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| 14:09.00 | swiftwalker | developers of Debian* |
| 14:09.37 | valdyn | swiftwalker: work with the kernel developers... |
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| 14:09.52 | swiftwalker | valdyn, they are too amateur to listen. |
| 14:10.04 | swiftwalker | I have contacted them, thrice. |
| 14:10.09 | swiftwalker | no reply, and they don't seem to care. |
| 14:10.44 | valdyn | for some reason i dont care anymore either |
| 14:10.50 | mtn | heh |
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| 14:13.41 | SmokedCheese | so i rebooted and now this: http://pastie.org/private/lq40a1esueh7klvuefvpwq |
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| 14:18.41 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, did you try it as root? |
| 14:19.00 | SmokedCheese | w/o root it was ok before reboot |
| 14:19.19 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: your dbus is not working ok, independent from --user or flexget |
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| 14:19.52 | SmokedCheese | also w/ sudo same error |
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| 14:20.10 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, are you in jessie? |
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| 14:20.56 | SmokedCheese | yeah |
| 14:21.07 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: http://pastie.org/9705051 |
| 14:21.15 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: that is probably how it should be ^^ |
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| 14:22.28 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: maybe you are not really running systemd |
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| 14:22.58 | SmokedCheese | systemctl status is show laaarge tree |
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| 14:23.27 | SmokedCheese | also user service is started up at boot |
| 14:23.56 | SmokedCheese | but systemctl status --user throws same error |
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| 14:25.46 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, the probe: 'cat /proc/1/comm' |
| 14:25.47 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 14:26.20 | SmokedCheese | `cat /proc/1/comm` gives "systemd" |
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| 14:27.44 | SmokedCheese | http://pastie.org/private/wa0dyqlv1sw5eg0ydpnc6q |
| 14:28.07 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, then you are running systemd, no problem there. |
| 14:28.49 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, another test, are you using cgroups? 'findmnt | grep /sys/fs/cgroup' |
| 14:29.24 | SmokedCheese | http://pastie.org/private/j9iilnw2dwscuf04ep5q |
| 14:29.28 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, if ok you could paste the output of 'journalctl -bx' |
| 14:29.43 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, that is fine too. |
| 14:29.49 | SmokedCheese | Failed to parse boot descriptor 'x' |
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| 14:30.04 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, 'journalctl -xb', then, sorry :) |
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| 14:30.48 | nbb | luminous: I think ssmtp is all I need (I arleady configured it), but thanks. |
| 14:31.21 | Brigo | and what is the output of 'systemctl --failed' ? |
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| 14:33.52 | SmokedCheese | http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/ebiviwi/Plaintext 'sudo journalctl -bx' |
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| 14:34.39 | SmokedCheese | http://pastie.org/private/m2invmab6abf2b8mseowa deleted it 2 month ago |
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| 14:35.54 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, i get an empty file from 'sudo journalctl -bx' line |
| 14:36.04 | SmokedCheese | 5sec |
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| 14:38.12 | SmokedCheese | http://pastebin.com/SVvB2J8y |
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| 14:40.50 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, what is the output of 'systemctl status dbus.socket dbus.service' ? |
| 14:40.59 | Brigo | are those services running? |
| 14:41.10 | SmokedCheese | both running |
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| 14:43.26 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, weird |
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| 14:43.42 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, could you paste the output, please? |
| 14:44.16 | Brigo | http://pastebin.com/SVvB2J8y that is the journald output, i find nothing ... |
| 14:44.44 | SmokedCheese | http://pastebin.com/mCHSTF7e |
| 14:45.56 | SmokedCheese | lines 2571-2764 warming up heart |
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| 14:49.40 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: where else beyond transmission did you mess with permissions? |
| 14:49.50 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, can you pastebin the output of "grep systemd /etc/dbus-1/system.d/*" somewhere ? |
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| 14:51.06 | berndj | is jessie manifestly anti-gtk2, or will gtk2 still be allowed in the release? |
| 14:51.43 | Brigo | berndj, i think mate uses gtk2. |
| 14:51.55 | valdyn | berndj: why would it be anti-gtk2 ? |
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| 14:52.23 | berndj | i'm wondering because glade-3 has been removed, and that's the version that was supposed to be the grandfathered gtk2-supporting one |
| 14:52.30 | SmokedCheese | valdyn: /var/www maybe, but this is totally unrealted |
| 14:52.47 | valdyn | SmokedCheese: yes, unrelated |
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| 14:53.16 | chb | morning |
| 14:53.38 | berndj | so is that just an oversight or more of a policy decision (or one policy conflicting with another) |
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| 14:54.08 | boyfromgreece | hello |
| 14:54.22 | valdyn | berndj: maybe debians glade can even build gtk-2 interfaces |
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| 14:54.30 | chb | I got a fresh wheezy install and I got a lot of "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" - I tried setting the locale again via dpgk-reconfigure but it doesnt keep |
| 14:54.45 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, did you paste it? |
| 14:54.59 | berndj | valdyn, do you have reason to believe that? because upstream glade doesn't support gtk2 after 3.8, and it's on around 3.14 now |
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| 14:55.13 | valdyn | berndj: no, just guessing |
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| 14:55.22 | SmokedCheese | also transmission-daemon.service doesn't catch settings from /etc/default/transmission-daemon |
| 14:55.24 | SmokedCheese | http://pastebin.com/EvJh7y6W |
| 14:55.34 | berndj | oh and now i rememnber that in fact jessie's glade *doesn't* support gtk2 (which is why i became aware of this in the first place) |
| 14:55.36 | SmokedCheese | Brigo: |
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| 14:58.14 | boyfromgreece | hello |
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| 14:58.31 | netstar | Hi, how can I download ALL source packages for ALL software in debian repositories? |
| 14:59.11 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, what is the outuput of dpkg -l dbus ? |
| 14:59.17 | netstar | *from the command-line |
| 14:59.25 | AimHere | netstar, there is a set of source DVD ISOs for download in most repos |
| 14:59.38 | AimHere | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/ <- such as this, or mirrored versions thereof |
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| 14:59.56 | AimHere | Happy reading |
| 15:00.07 | SmokedCheese | Brigo: |
| 15:00.09 | SmokedCheese | Brigo: http://pastebin.com/TFG3LJ6Q |
| 15:00.43 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, when the output is just one or two lines you can paste here. |
| 15:01.17 | Brigo | Is systemd-shim installed? |
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| 15:01.20 | SmokedCheese | but maybe is 3 top line is important too %) |
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| 15:01.55 | SmokedCheese | not installed |
| 15:02.13 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, at all? |
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| 15:04.26 | SmokedCheese | Brigo: un systemd-shim |
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| 15:04.44 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, yes, ok. I lost :/ |
| 15:06.07 | jhutchins | netstar: There are instructions on how to create your own mirror/repository, I would recommend using them. |
| 15:06.10 | jhutchins | !mirror |
| 15:06.11 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:08.01 | Brigo | SmokedCheese, you can try to boot in debug mode. |
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| 15:09.20 | dontknow | since jessie is freezed, does it mean it is more reliable now than before? |
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| 15:09.39 | Brigo | dontknow, a little bit |
| 15:09.45 | Brigo | just a few day |
| 15:10.02 | Brigo | next year will be really more reliable. |
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| 15:10.36 | dontknow | Brigo, long time |
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| 15:11.43 | Brigo | chb, what is the output of 'locale' command? paste in in paste.debian.net |
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| 15:12.32 | Brigo | chb, and add the output of 'localectl list-locales', too. |
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| 15:15.41 | chb | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/130864/ |
| 15:15.46 | chb | I also don't have localectl |
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| 15:19.24 | Brigo | chb, run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root and check if the locale you are using, en_US.UTF-8, are selected. If not select it. |
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| 15:32.24 | coagen | hello, if you want to discuss the future of a systemd free or at least not as the default init, visit us in #debianfork Our numbers are growing fast! |
| 15:33.56 | babilen | coagen: Please don't spam. |
| 15:34.59 | coagen | babilen: do not accuse me of spamming. I am not. |
| 15:35.03 | daemonkeeper | You are. |
| 15:35.27 | daemonkeeper | This is a support channel for Debian. Everything else is not on topic in this channel. |
| 15:36.05 | chb | Brigo, did that - it fixes it until I reconnect to the system |
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| 15:36.47 | coagen | daemonkeeper: right, I am offering support for those in need, thank you. |
| 15:37.07 | babilen | coagen: Take it elsewhere, this is not the right channel. |
| 15:37.22 | babilen | Anway, lets move on and leave it at that. |
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| 15:38.45 | coagen | babilen: that is exactly what i'm offering, refuge, for those like myself, who have been rejected here, when they wanted to discuss subjects about debian that matter to them. |
| 15:38.53 | mtn | snore |
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| 15:47.00 | Brigo | chb, sorry, i go to go. |
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| 15:49.49 | Spydar007 | What is libpaludisutil.so, and where can I find it/download it? |
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| 15:51.55 | KolK | Hi! I use Gnome 3, but it doesn't appeal to me. I thought about KDE 4, but I used to have it and it wasn't too stable. What do you think about Trinity? |
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| 15:52.30 | earthian | Hello, what tool would you recommend to create/edit LDAP schemas? I would like a tool which could keep a track of OIDs automatically.. |
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| 15:55.22 | g00se | !tell Spydar007 about apt-file |
| 15:56.33 | chb | Brigo, np, thanks still |
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| 15:58.15 | Spydar007 | g00se: ugh, I had this before. It was apt-file that fixed it, I'll try that again. |
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| 16:08.40 | earthian | So is there any app for LDAP schema editing at all? I could not find anything in packages list as well as the google :) |
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| 16:16.16 | mic_e | hm... for some reason pidgin seems to auto-correct my text. how can I lobotomize it? |
| 16:17.14 | mic_e | nvm, found it. for some reason I have a "text replacement" plugin. |
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| 16:20.20 | justanotheruser | I'm trying to run qtcreator from a chroot environment and I'm getting this error. Any ideas? http://hastebin.com/watusasahe.apache |
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| 16:22.57 | Walex | justanotheruser: use paste.debian.net |
| 16:22.59 | Spydar007 | g00se: apt-file shows nothing for libpaludisutil |
| 16:23.39 | justanotheruser | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/130871/ |
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| 16:25.42 | Walex | justanotheruser: if 'qtcreator' is a shell script look inside... |
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| 16:29.40 | justanotheruser | Walex: just catted it, it is a binary |
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| 16:36.49 | TheQuestionmark | Has anyone experience with the RTL8192CU and firmware-realtek? All I can connect to are WEP protected networks but none with WPA or WPA2 protection. |
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| 16:37.13 | Lobster` | what would be the best distro if i only want to run command line on a netbook? |
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| 16:37.36 | g00se | Is there something like sysv-rc-conf for systemd? |
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| 16:38.11 | g00se | Lobster`: You get get away (potentially) with a base install of Debian |
| 16:38.16 | mtn | Lobster`: this channel is going to say debian, for some odd reason |
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| 16:39.59 | iveevue | Lobster`, Depends on how up-to-date you want your packages, etc. |
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| 16:40.19 | Lobster` | just usin g++ and emacs |
| 16:40.22 | babilen | sid is pretty up-to0date right now |
| 16:40.25 | Lobster` | for a unix class |
| 16:40.30 | iveevue | Do you need C++11 for gcc? |
| 16:40.39 | iveevue | fwik, debian's gcc/clang are quite old. |
| 16:40.50 | babilen | Lobster`: I'd still recommend using a window manager and terminals in there |
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| 16:42.12 | Budd | I am trying to use cron's @reboot syntax on raspbian, to no effect: "@reboot date >& /home/eric/crontest.txt" |
| 16:42.17 | iveevue | Lobster`, I would go with a different distro for now, and come back when Jessie is stable if you want Debian. |
| 16:42.38 | Budd | Is @reboot implemented? |
| 16:43.13 | DanielRb | compile newer gcc/g++ from source? |
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| 16:43.33 | simonpl | Budd : why do you use ">&"? |
| 16:43.55 | simonpl | Budd : If you want to write to /home/eric/crontest.txt, you have to remove the ampersand |
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| 16:44.36 | Budd | simonpl: I se - it uses sh not bash, right? |
| 16:45.01 | Budd | ...and it works. Thanks! |
| 16:45.20 | simonpl | Budd : the ampersand is used, if you want to redirect the stuff that is written to one output to another ouptut |
| 16:45.40 | simonpl | for example 2>&1 moves sterr to stdout |
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| 17:12.27 | Eleganza | Hi |
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| 17:12.38 | Eleganza | I have set up a ftp server on my home machine |
| 17:12.50 | Eleganza | I have used vsftpd |
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| 17:13.35 | Eleganza | there is a folder on the user directory that I want to set in this way: the user can upload files to it but not delete them |
| 17:13.40 | Eleganza | what should I enable? |
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| 17:14.21 | Skyrider | Is there any apt-get package where if an application is using too much load avarage (high number), that it'll reboot/restart the application? |
| 17:14.30 | Skyrider | Please PM me if you know the answer :), I'll be right back. |
| 17:14.54 | ompaul | Eleganza: that is down to the individual ftp server you will have to check the docs |
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| 17:17.28 | ompaul | Skyrider: you maen Skyrider check out cgroups |
| 17:17.44 | ompaul | should check before hitting enter :) |
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| 17:26.36 | jojj | Does anyone have any idea abt this? |
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| 17:34.29 | Hans-Martin | hi folks, I'm getting an error (approximately "the following packages could not be authenticated", original is in german) from apt-get install when trying to upgrade some packages. The package signing key is present, of course (this is a squeeze system). |
| 17:34.51 | sevots | some random daemon seems to be tinkering with my min/max cpufreqs. How can I find out what it is? |
| 17:34.52 | Hans-Martin | For example, one of the packages is openssl (0.9.8o-4squeeze17 => 0.9.8o-4squeeze18) |
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| 17:35.36 | sevots | Hans-Martin: hast Du es schon mal in debian-de versucht? |
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| 17:35.53 | sevots | Hans-Martin: ich meine #debian-de |
| 17:35.53 | Hans-Martin | sevots: gute Idee, hab ich noch nicht... |
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| 17:37.12 | sevots | Hans-Martin: wenn Du englisch gut verstehst, empfehle ich Dir, Dein System auf englisch zu stellen, da die Wahrscheinlichkeit hier im Channel supported zu werden natuerlich hoeher ist. |
| 17:38.59 | Hans-Martin | sevots: I have no trouble with english, but I'm not the only admin on that system, so changing the language globally is not a good idea. |
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| 17:41.07 | Hans-Martin | I'm feeling a little uneasy about installing these packages when apt can't verify their signatures. |
| 17:41.15 | babilen | Hans-Martin: IMHO a global default of en_{US,GB,AU,DE (j/k)}.UTF-8 would be a good idea. If people like to change it they can configure the locale for themselves. The likelihood of being able to solve a problem is *much* higher if you are dealing with error messages in English. |
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| 17:41.34 | sevots | ^^ |
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| 17:41.47 | babilen | Hans-Martin: Please paste the entire out along with that of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" and "apt-get update" to http://paste.debian.net please. |
| 17:41.53 | sevots | Hans-Martin: what babilen said :-) |
| 17:42.09 | babilen | *output |
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| 17:43.55 | Hans-Martin | ok I changed LANGUAGE within my shell, so now apt uses english... Will create the pastes. |
| 17:44.19 | babilen | And you might also want to include your sources.list |
| 17:44.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hans-Martin -about squeeze-lts |
| 17:44.35 | babilen | (might be of interest to you) |
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| 17:45.24 | Hans-Martin | well this server is coing to be retired in a few weeks anyway... But I try to keep it reasonably safe in the meantime. |
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| 17:46.09 | Hans-Martin | and I think I've got squeeze-lts in sources.list already |
| 17:46.16 | babilen | okay :) |
| 17:46.58 | Hans-Martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.22 | Hans-Martin | the dpkg bot seems to be hibernating... |
| 17:47.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hans-Martin about dsa2896 |
| 17:47.57 | babilen | (it helps to actually succeed in writing a message, you had a leading space character there) |
| 17:48.23 | Hans-Martin | oh well... |
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| 17:51.18 | Hans-Martin | so here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/Y9yJhrfJ |
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| 17:53.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hans-Martin -about pastebin.com |
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| 17:53.51 | babilen | Hans-Martin: That is the worst paste site on the internet. There are so many better ones :) -- For example: http://paste.debian.net, http://refheap.com, http://bpaste.net, https://gist.github.com, ... |
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| 17:54.37 | babilen | Hans-Martin: I don't see any error/warning in there. Could you paste that too? |
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| 17:57.33 | babilen | Hans-Martin: Oh, and by the way: It isn't really a good idea to use ftp.debian.org directly as it not only causes a lot of load on that particular mirror, but is also slower than local mirrors. A reasonable choice is http.debian.net which is a metamirror that chooses the "best" mirror for you automagically. |
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| 18:03.37 | sevots | some random daemon seems to be tinkering with my min/max cpufreqs. How can I find out what it is? |
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| 18:04.50 | Hans-Martin | babilen: sorry was afk for a moment. Yup I know about the paste, it was just the first that came to mind. Will switch to http mirrors in a moment. The error does not appear during "apt-get update" but "apt-get upgrade", so I'll add that - will take some minutes... |
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| 18:09.18 | Hans-Martin | babilen: so this is what I get with a "apt-get -V install openssl": http://paste.debian.net/130883/ |
| 18:10.56 | Hans-Martin | apt-get upgrade creates a lot more output, which is probably not more helpful... |
| 18:13.26 | jelly-home | Hans-Martin: do an apt-get install debian-archive-keyring, then redo the update and install bit |
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| 18:15.32 | jelly-home | (also, and not related to the warning and error messages, security fixes to openssl are typically present in "libssl0.9.8" or "libssl1.0.0" binary packages, not the package named "openssl") |
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| 18:15.58 | Hans-Martin | "apt-get install" claimed that there was no change, so I did "apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring", but to no avail. |
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| 18:17.07 | Hans-Martin | jelly-home: yup, those are listed as packages to be upgraded, I just picked one of them to reduce clutter. |
| 18:17.53 | Hans-Martin | since it does not seem to depend on the packages (the same error happens for all of them), it does not matter much which one I use for testing. |
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| 18:18.40 | babilen | Hans-Martin: You need the latest version of the keyring to be able to verify the signatures. You would typically upgrade it in time, but that obviously didn't happen. |
| 18:18.41 | jelly-home | Hans-Martin: weird. Which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed right now? |
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| 18:19.20 | babilen | No, you have the latest version :-/ |
| 18:19.30 | babilen | Lets check squeeze-lts |
| 18:19.32 | jelly-home | 2010.08.28+squeeze1 ? |
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| 18:20.04 | babilen | http://pastebin.com/Y9yJhrfJ (line 6) |
| 18:20.06 | jelly-home | that ought to be enough to make squeeze-lts repo mirrors Just Work |
| 18:20.07 | Hans-Martin | debian-archive-keyring 2010.08.28+squeeze1 |
| 18:20.18 | jelly-home | oh, pastebin.com |
| 18:20.29 | babilen | I already told Hans-Martin about it |
| 18:20.38 | Hans-Martin | jelly-home: yup, I've already been properly spanked. |
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| 18:20.51 | jelly-home | TMI |
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| 18:21.51 | jelly-home | Hans-Martin: pastebin the output of "apt-key list"? |
| 18:22.53 | Hans-Martin | http://paste.debian.net/130886/ |
| 18:22.56 | jelly-home | if there's no 46925553, that would explain things... somewhat |
| 18:23.20 | Hans-Martin | but it's there |
| 18:23.33 | Hans-Martin | line 39 |
| 18:23.33 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 18:24.12 | Hans-Martin | the weird thing is that my last upgrade went through flawlessly, but it's been a couple of days ago. I don't know what could possibly have changed. |
| 18:24.27 | Hans-Martin | but certainly something did change. |
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| 18:31.39 | bumbar | do i have to create two seperate rules (one tcp and one udp) for iptables or can i combine them? |
| 18:34.50 | jelly-home | Hans-Martin: eh, I'd probably rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_*, redo the update, and if upgrade or install failed again, try a different mirror |
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| 18:37.58 | Hans-Martin | jelly-home: great, that did it! |
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| 18:39.20 | jelly-home | just likes the *_* bit |
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| 18:39.41 | Hans-Martin | there was a subdirectory "partial" with http.debian.net_debian_dists_squeeze-lts_ files in it, maybe someone interrupted an apt process at an inconventient time... |
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| 18:40.33 | fireant | zabbix insists on apache, is there a way I could tell debian that I use nginx and dont want to start apache |
| 18:40.36 | fireant | ? |
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| 18:44.32 | somiaj | fireant: what zabbix package are you talking about? |
| 18:45.30 | somiaj | fireant: I personally don't see any direct dependency on apache or ngnix in the zabbix packages on sid. |
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| 18:47.40 | somiaj | ahh looks like zabbix-frontend-php depends on apache | httpd. nginx provides httpd so that should be satsfified but it won't be the default thing it tries to pull in |
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| 18:48.57 | fireant | somiaj: I'm still on wheezy, repo is from zabbix.com |
| 18:49.46 | somiaj | then you will have to talk tot hem about their packages |
| 18:50.05 | somiaj | I can't look at the depends, but the packages in debian depend on httpd wich is provided by other packages besides apache. |
| 18:50.33 | fireant | yes, frontend tries to force me to install apache and lots of deps I dont need, I thought there must be a way maybe 'alternatives' or something to tell my system that webserver service is provided by nginx package and there is no need to install apache |
| 18:51.00 | somiaj | fireant: this would depend on the actual depends in the zabbix package you are using |
| 18:51.07 | fireant | same with mysql, I use postgres on another machine and there is no need to pull in mysql server |
| 18:51.21 | somiaj | fireant: if it doens't depend on httpd (the service nginx provides) then nginx won't satisfy it |
| 18:51.49 | somiaj | again the packages in debian are split there is a zabbix-server-mysql package and a zabbix-server-postgres |
| 18:52.06 | somiaj | but at this point you need to invesigate the packages that you are using and it could be the makers of them didn't make them as module as you want |
| 18:52.25 | somiaj | ,v zabbix-server-pgsql |
| 18:52.26 | judd | Package: zabbix-server-pgsql on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.5+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1:2.2.7+dfsg-1; jessie: 1:2.2.7+dfsg-1 |
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| 18:52.39 | somiaj | fireant: why not use the zabbix packges in wheezy-backports? |
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| 18:53.44 | fireant | somiaj: yes, I've got zabbix-server-pgsql installed on my zabbix machine |
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| 18:54.35 | fireant | somiaj: I'll try backports tomorrow |
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| 18:54.54 | fireant | thx |
| 18:55.14 | somiaj | I don't have access to the zabbix.com packages, but you could look closely at their depends and what not to try to understand what they are doing |
| 18:55.48 | somiaj | but you can't easily change the depends and likes in a premade package without making your own custom package, so you may have to do research as to what these thrid party packages require |
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| 18:58.13 | fireant | hmm, I understand, I think they've tested them against mysql mainly, postgres is not even mentioned in php frontend, I had to manually edit zabbix.conf.php |
| 18:58.25 | fireant | to get it working with postgres |
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| 19:00.53 | fireant | somiaj: that is the annoying part, quite often packages pull in lots of dependencies that I rather do without |
| 19:01.37 | fireant | but thanx, I'll remove all of these and try with backports tomorrow |
| 19:01.40 | somiaj | these are compile time options for the most part and when someone is making a package they have to decide a reasonable number of these dependencies that will satsify most users |
| 19:02.10 | somiaj | though I do think there are matainers that state a dependency as a recomended when it should be a suggested. Because by default recomends are installed and suggested are not. |
| 19:02.15 | earthian | Hello, Is there a way to permanently decrypt a LUKS partition? |
| 19:02.36 | somiaj | and disabling the installing of recomends is not recomended |
| 19:03.01 | somiaj | earthian: since the partition itself is encrypted you would probably have to just do a copy to a non-encrypted partition of the data |
| 19:03.43 | earthian | I see. Thanks! |
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| 19:06.28 | fireant | somiaj: I gues I'll end up building my own customized packages, |
| 19:07.42 | somiaj | fireant: I think the ones from wheezy-backports will do what you want. They seem to have decent depends |
| 19:08.19 | somiaj | fireant: but yes building custom packages and hosting a custom repo is what many will do if they want more customization than provided by the debian packages. This also means you have to manage security (though wheezy-backports doesn't have direct security management afaik) |
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| 19:09.39 | linuxlite1969 | hi, I have installed debian from netboot, everything was ok, but after install I can't boot. Grub is not loaded, I see only white blinking dash |
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| 19:10.07 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 19:10.08 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 19:10.10 | linuxlite1969 | My mobo is Asus K8N4 E Deluxe, I have 8xSATA drive, and 1x IDE drive, where is debian installed |
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| 19:10.36 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: sounds like you need to use a live image or installer rescue session to reinstall grub to the mbr correctly so it boots |
| 19:10.38 | waressearcher2 | any suggestions for terminal with multiple tabs ? I used to use mrxvt but I want to try some other one, not konsole |
| 19:10.38 | linuxlite1969 | yes, I have tried to reinstall grub from rescue CD, did not helped |
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| 19:10.50 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: we don't know where debian is installed, as that would have been something you picked during the install |
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| 19:11.03 | somiaj | waressearcher2: learn to use screen or tmux? (: |
| 19:11.48 | linuxlite1969 | somiaj, debian is installed on IDE drive, verified in rescue mode, reinstalled grub on that drive, |
| 19:12.40 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: what drive is your system configured to boot from? |
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| 19:14.09 | linuxlite1969 | somiaj, in bios is set IDE as boot.. for the record, I use linux several years, I have running several linux servers, linux is on my ntb, etc, but this is first time, when I can get it solved. I have tried google, but can't find answer. |
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| 19:14.42 | usr3 | hi all, just installed genymotion an adroid emulator, it's asking for the library libgstapp-0.10.so.0 Where is that library and how can i add it? |
| 19:14.51 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: yea I just find it best to go over everything I would check maybe you missed something, but sounds correct. |
| 19:15.32 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: only other thing that poped to my mind was you did install grub into the mb (say /dev/sda vs /dev/sda1) |
| 19:15.52 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: the other thought is does your machine support both efi and legacy boot, if so have you been consistant with which you are using? |
| 19:16.24 | linuxlite1969 | somiaj, last time I have installed it on /dev/sdc (because this is as I see it on installer) |
| 19:16.31 | somiaj | usr3: where did you install this emulator from? |
| 19:16.56 | usr3 | it's from the genymotion website |
| 19:17.01 | linuxlite1969 | somiaj, pc is old asus mobo 32bit, with AMD Sempron 3300 |
| 19:17.01 | somiaj | linuxlite1969: yea everything sounds fine to me, I can't think of anything you are missing. |
| 19:17.03 | usr3 | not a deb package |
| 19:17.13 | somiaj | usr3: it could be that the software was not built for debian |
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| 19:18.00 | somiaj | usr3: well apt-file or p.d.o told me you can get that file in the libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 package |
| 19:18.50 | justanotheruser | Is anyone here running qtcreator > v3? |
| 19:19.00 | justanotheruser | * >= v3 |
| 19:19.09 | usr3 | ah, okay i'll try that. it does say Linux Debian 64 bits on the download page, but yeah, not a deb package |
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| 19:19.43 | justanotheruser | and if you are, what method are you using to run it? Backports? chroot? I can't get either to work. |
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| 19:20.52 | somiaj | usr3: then look at the install instructions, it should have a list of packages it depends on |
| 19:21.02 | somiaj | usr3: or you can use packages.debian.org to search for the next file it can't find |
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| 19:21.50 | usr3 | i see, thanks |
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| 19:22.05 | linuxlite1969 | somiaj, tried !fixmbr method, still blinking white dash on boot |
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| 19:24.09 | usr3 | somiaj: can you run different Qt libraries? the error genymotion is reporting is "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40806) with this library (version 0x40802)" |
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| 19:33.11 | sevots | some random daemon seems to be tinkering with my min/max cpufreqs. How can I find out what it is? |
| 19:35.05 | sevots | cpufreq-info tells that "frequency should be within 1.20 GHz and 1.20 GHz" even though "cpufreq-set -r --min 1.2GHz --max 1.87GHz" throws no error message... |
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| 19:44.56 | Walex | sevots: one of the power daemons probably. |
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| 20:00.13 | touil76 | Hello. I have a problem with my samsung n220 laptop. Randomly, after going to suspended to ram state, the computer cannot be woken up. |
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| 20:00.53 | touil76 | Even pressing the caps lock key does not light up the corresponding led when this happens. |
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| 20:01.30 | touil76 | I must admit my system is not a real debian as it is an ubuntu 12.04 (which is based on debian). |
| 20:01.42 | touil76 | What could I do to track the problem ? |
| 20:01.51 | touil76 | thank you for your answers. |
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| 20:02.05 | ompaul | # |
| 20:02.11 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 20:02.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:02.57 | justanotheruser | if a program isn't working within my chroot jessie environment, what distro should I try next? Testing? Some other distro? |
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| 20:03.07 | justanotheruser | s/Testing/Unstable |
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| 20:03.49 | touil76 | If someone feels like helping me anyway, that would be nice. |
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| 20:04.43 | nkuttler | touil76: nobody will help you with ubuntu in here, you'd both be off-topic |
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| 20:05.53 | petn-randall | touil76: Try asking in #ubuntu, that's their support channel. |
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| 20:07.47 | Roland- | hello what happened to bluefish in jessie? |
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| 20:08.14 | touil76 | Ok. Thank you anyway. |
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| 20:08.43 | petn-randall | Roland-: You can track what happened to a package here: https://packages.qa.debian.org/. It probably got removed because it was unmaintained and RC buggy. |
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| 20:09.42 | sevots | Walex: can you tell me how I can find out what service is doing this? Or a link to an approach on how it's done on a general basis on a unix system? |
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| 20:10.36 | Roland- | Bug #759935: bluefish: FTBFS: *** error: gettext infrastructure mismatch: using a Makefile.in.in from gettext version 0.18 but the autoconf macros are from gettext version 0.19 |
| 20:10.38 | Roland- | sad. |
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| 20:10.45 | Roland- | I mean will it be back or something |
| 20:10.56 | Roland- | I can't think of an good alternative for bluefish |
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| 20:14.21 | nkuttler | Roland-: um, that doesn't sound too hard to fix.. not 100% sure about the policy, but i think it could be included again before the jessie release if fixed.. |
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| 20:15.32 | pr0nfan | Hi everyone. I am tryong to download some porn DVD, but my home connection is very slow and I'll be able to cum in 71 days. What should I use to 1: download torrent from 100mbps server an then play it remotely |
| 20:15.52 | nkuttler | !ops pr0nfan is trolling |
| 20:15.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: pr0nfan is trolling |
| 20:15.58 | pr0nfan | im not |
| 20:15.59 | pr0nfan | trolling ffs |
| 20:16.03 | pr0nfan | you want screenshot ? |
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| 20:16.14 | pr0nfan | is transmission-daemon ok |
| 20:16.19 | pr0nfan | but what do I use for streaming |
| 20:16.34 | nkuttler | pr0nfan: try not to overshare in the future.. |
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| 20:17.00 | babilen | pr0nfan: Problems like that really aren't on-topic in this channel. |
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| 20:21.39 | waressearcher2 | in tmux one can switch back and forth windows with "Ctrl-b p" for "previous" and "Ctrl-b n" for "next" but is there a way to use less keys, say just "Ctrl-[" and "Ctrl-]" to change windows ? |
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| 20:22.39 | mah454 | Who is head of the debian project ? |
| 20:22.49 | dondelelcaro | mah454: the DPL is. |
| 20:23.21 | mah454 | dondelelcaro: What is DPL ? |
| 20:23.22 | nkuttler | !dpl |
| 20:23.23 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Stefano Zacchiroli. See http://www.debian.org/devel/leader . |
| 20:23.42 | ompaul | the factoid is wrong |
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| 20:23.47 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 20:23.49 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.54 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: dpl =~ s/Stefano Zacchiroli/Lucas Nussbaum/ |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 20:24.07 | ompaul | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 20:51.59 | HelloShitty | Good night all |
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| 20:53.51 | HelloShitty | SOUL_OF_R00T: |
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| 20:54.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | great HelloShitty |
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| 20:55.38 | HelloShitty | SOUL_OF_R00T: can you check your query window? |
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| 21:02.20 | richac | why update kernel for a real old cpu? |
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| 21:04.01 | An_Ony_Moose | richac: from whose perspective? The kernel developer, or the user? |
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| 21:04.32 | richac | An_Ony_Moose: any i guess |
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| 21:04.40 | An_Ony_Moose | Is there a particular reason that ffmpeg is in wheezy and sid but not in jessie? |
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| 21:05.14 | An_Ony_Moose | richac: kernel developer, because those devices are still out there. User, because kernel updates can fix security issues that are as relevant to old CPUs as they are to new ones. |
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| 21:06.03 | richac | ah security fixes, yes i can see that. |
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| 21:06.55 | richac | i always try to use the latest stable kernel release |
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| 21:10.43 | trewas | An_Ony_Moose: libav side has better representation inside debian and the security team decided that both it and ffmpeg will not be allowed in |
| 21:11.19 | An_Ony_Moose | trewas: heh, I thought having both was a good solution :| |
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| 21:11.31 | An_Ony_Moose | so why is it still in unstable? |
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| 21:13.00 | trewas | having to do security support for both could get annoying, but I think there is some problems having them co-installed (libav stealing ffmpeg library names or something) |
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| 21:14.19 | An_Ony_Moose | trewas: I just realised that https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg01010.html is relatively recent |
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| 21:15.35 | DebianGNU | *Tyr and Mjolnir in one name. Interesting. A fan of Asatru maybe? |
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| 21:18.50 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | Where is the link to the debian 4 source torrent? |
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| 21:26.20 | ompaul | j4s0nmchr1st0s: get it on http from archives - version four is so far out of production it is not supported here http://archive.debian.net/ |
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| 21:26.33 | ompaul | j4s0nmchr1st0s: also it is full of holes |
| 21:26.35 | ompaul | security ones |
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| 21:30.11 | klys | ompaul, if someone wanted to support something from debian-archive, is there a channel for that |
| 21:30.17 | richac | 7 years old wow |
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| 21:33.37 | HelloShitty | I need help on Debian testing |
| 21:33.50 | HelloShitty | so I should get in #debian-next channel |
| 21:33.54 | HelloShitty | Can anyone invite? |
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| 21:36.00 | babilen | You don't need an invite |
| 21:36.06 | ompaul | klys: not that I know of |
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| 21:37.05 | klys | ompaul, know of an abandonware support anywhere |
| 21:37.18 | ompaul | klys: pay someone |
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| 21:37.29 | HelloShitty | I tried to get in and it asked for invite |
| 21:37.37 | klys | I just want to join a channel, not needy |
| 21:37.49 | babilen | HelloShitty: You might want to check, once more, on which network #debian-next is located |
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| 21:38.01 | HelloShitty | Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 21:38.10 | HelloShitty | babilen, here at freenode |
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| 21:38.20 | babilen | Yes, the channel is not here on freenode, but on oftc |
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| 21:39.00 | HelloShitty | ok, so can I ask for help here? |
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| 21:39.19 | babilen | No, please take it to the appropriate channel. |
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| 21:47.36 | nszceta | do linux containers ( LXC ) provide better security than a regular chroot (I am assuming NON-GRSEC kernel) |
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| 21:48.45 | richac | i told you yes |
| 21:48.48 | richac | why you don't believe me |
| 21:48.55 | richac | way more security then chroot, but not as much as qubes-os |
| 21:48.57 | nszceta | because I need more feedback |
| 21:49.02 | nszceta | from other people |
| 21:49.05 | nszceta | don't take it personally |
| 21:49.07 | richac | do a quick google search, its all over the web lmao |
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| 21:49.35 | richac | http://serverfault.com/questions/543612/why-use-lxc-instead-of-chroot |
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| 21:51.29 | richac | nszceta: your asking the wrong people, the linux people will tell you, your on linux, so you don't need security |
| 21:51.33 | nszceta | taking a look |
| 21:51.35 | richac | noone in here is gonna give a shit about something liket hat |
| 21:52.03 | richac | nszceta: ask in #security |
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| 21:53.02 | nszceta | done |
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| 21:54.17 | d___ | Hi, I am trying to install Debian but the DHCP is all messed up, and it can't autoconfigure it, so I have to do it myself |
| 21:54.22 | d___ | can someone please help me? |
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| 22:33.05 | codepython7771 | does anyone know what joey hass objects to in the debian constitution? |
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| 22:44.06 | valdyn | codepython7771: he objects to administrators dominating developers |
| 22:44.27 | valdyn | codepython7771: or s/administrators/politics/ |
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| 22:46.15 | SOUL_OF_R00T | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-x.x |
| 22:46.22 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ops |
| 22:46.25 | valdyn | codepython7771: a constitution can provide the means for politics to do that |
| 22:46.28 | SOUL_OF_R00T | wrong window |
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| 22:50.30 | teraflops | oh politics ... again |
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| 23:02.06 | Roland- | hi folks |
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| 23:02.39 | Roland- | after a few years of giving up debian I am now back. But I am facing the same issues like 5 years ago, aka FONT RENDERING |
| 23:02.44 | Roland- | will this ever be fixed? |
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| 23:02.57 | Roland- | like I even copied m$ fonts and still the hinting sucks. |
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| 23:03.08 | bascht | Roland-: What's bothering you in particular? |
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| 23:03.33 | valdyn | Roland-: you might want to post a screenshot to show us what sucks |
| 23:03.36 | Roland- | well for example when I am using a well know fonts it tents to add a greysh thing on it |
| 23:03.45 | Roland- | will do |
| 23:03.47 | Roland- | right now |
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| 23:05.32 | valdyn | Roland-: or actually use gwaterfall yourself and play with settings too |
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| 23:07.10 | valdyn | since the balance between accuracy and strong hinting is probably just a matter of taste and depends on font / size / dpi |
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| 23:07.33 | Roland- | http://i60.tinypic.com/a32xza.png |
| 23:07.36 | Roland- | well |
| 23:07.41 | Roland- | hinting slight |
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| 23:08.11 | Roland- | using sans, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 23:08.15 | valdyn | Roland-: so you want stronger hinting |
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| 23:08.39 | Roland- | nope, is at full now |
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| 23:08.55 | valdyn | Roland-: not in that screenshot |
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| 23:09.12 | Roland- | you can see some keys are overlapping one to each other |
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| 23:09.26 | Roland- | valdyn, yes I just tuned back to full hinting |
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| 23:09.31 | ghost75 | somebody know which dpkg reconfigure is used to create ssl certificate with different domain? |
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| 23:09.36 | valdyn | Roland-: which font is this? |
| 23:09.46 | Roland- | sans |
| 23:09.58 | Roland- | default (at least in xfce) |
| 23:10.03 | valdyn | Roland-: in a terminal you need a font where each letter has the same size |
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| 23:10.21 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.22 | Roland- | valdyn, can you give me an example of such a font? |
| 23:10.25 | valdyn | Roland-: if you use a proportional font you are bound to get a shit result |
| 23:10.31 | bascht | valdyn: â¦or at least you *want* such a font. :) |
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| 23:10.43 | Roland- | or recomend an font package? |
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| 23:11.01 | valdyn | Roland-: i use bitstream vera sans mono |
| 23:11.09 | valdyn | Roland-: any monospace font ... |
| 23:11.13 | ghost75 | dpkg-reconfigure ssl-cert is creating them but not asking domain/servername |
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| 23:11.21 | An_Ony_Moose | ghost75: you can create them manually |
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| 23:13.08 | bascht | Roland-: valdyn Fira Sans here. Looks brilliant. :) |
| 23:13.10 | Brigo | ghost75, try dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssl-cert, then. |
| 23:13.14 | teraflops | Roland-: I use anka/coder and im happy also valdyn is right |
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| 23:14.02 | AR45 | what does a debian super computer look like? |
| 23:14.03 | valdyn | bascht: which package ? |
| 23:14.05 | ghost75 | hmm still not asking |
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| 23:14.31 | bascht | valdyn: not packaged [yet?] :-/ |
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| 23:14.38 | Roland- | ok but my question is the next: why when I copy an known ms font like Tahoma, when I apply it to debian it looks like crap |
| 23:14.44 | valdyn | bascht: texlive-fonts-extra |
| 23:14.49 | valdyn | bascht: maybe that |
| 23:14.49 | Roland- | are there any alternatives for hinting software? |
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| 23:14.49 | bascht | valdyn: It's a free licensed font, though |
| 23:14.59 | valdyn | Fira fonts with LaTeX support. |
| 23:15.06 | Brigo | ghost75, i think that package are not for that you want. |
| 23:15.06 | bascht | wow |
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| 23:15.38 | valdyn | Roland-: what is the problem now? |
| 23:15.43 | teraflops | ^ |
| 23:15.44 | bascht | Fira is the default font for Firefox OS â iirc I got it somewhere from mozilla. |
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| 23:15.53 | valdyn | I see |
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| 23:15.57 | Roland- | still looks like crap and adds some sort of greysh border to letters |
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| 23:16.17 | Roland- | look better but I am trying to get them looking similar to MS |
| 23:16.19 | valdyn | Roland-: the "greyish" border is there when hinting is off or weak |
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| 23:16.38 | bascht | Roland-: http://i.imgur.com/kvddNTo.png <- my hinting settings + a snap of Fira Mono. |
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| 23:17.47 | Roland- | looks sexy bascht |
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| 23:17.58 | teraflops | anka/coder is nicer http://a.pomf.se/ywbncc.png |
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| 23:18.23 | Roland- | what package contains fira? |
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| 23:18.44 | bascht | teraflops: nice wm! ;) |
| 23:18.46 | Roland- | hmz you guys have kind of low resolutions |
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| 23:19.04 | Roland- | I have an 14" FHD screen |
| 23:19.09 | teraflops | Roland-: you dont need any font package just drop the font on your home folder |
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| 23:19.14 | Roland- | some of the fonts are kind of small |
| 23:19.19 | bascht | Roland-: the screenshot is from my DELL 3200x1800 display. ;) |
| 23:19.24 | Roland- | cool |
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| 23:19.38 | g00se | Is there something like sysv-rc-conf for systemd? |
| 23:19.52 | valdyn | g00se: systemd-ui |
| 23:19.56 | teraflops | ~/.fonts |
| 23:19.56 | apt | i heard /.fonts is for fontconfig'ed apps, like gimp-2.0 and newest scribus |
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| 23:20.24 | bascht | Roland-: And like teraflops said â only download them (e.g. from https://github.com/mozilla/Fira/tree/master/ttf) and drop them to ~/.fonts. |
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| 23:20.29 | ex3me | Ñ
Ñй |
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| 23:20.54 | g00se | Thanks |
| 23:21.05 | Roland- | systemd-ui command not found after installing the package |
| 23:21.08 | Roland- | what is the bin name? |
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| 23:21.45 | g00se | \/sbin? |
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| 23:23.16 | valdyn | g00se: looks like this is just for monitoring |
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| 23:23.25 | ompaul | !ops nyusxika7h has connection problems |
| 23:23.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ompaul complains about: nyusxika7h has connection problems |
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| 23:23.37 | mentor | Roland-: You can list file in a package using dpkg -L |
| 23:23.38 | valdyn | g00se: but you can use it and systemctl enable <service> |
| 23:23.38 | Roland- | root@mw:~# find / -name systemd-ui |
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| 23:23.50 | mentor | ompaul: So? |
| 23:24.01 | valdyn | Roland-: systemadm |
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| 23:24.15 | ompaul | that was it |
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| 23:24.29 | mentor | Really? |
| 23:24.29 | ompaul | it's just the level of interruption |
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| 23:25.19 | g00se | wonders what systemd's run level equivs are (if any) |
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| 23:25.49 | valdyn | g00se: they just have actual names |
| 23:25.52 | Arahael | g00se: what do runlevels mean anymore? |
| 23:26.18 | g00se | will have to do some studying |
| 23:26.18 | Brigo | Arahael, systemd do not care about it. |
| 23:26.39 | valdyn | g00se: reboot,default,rescue,emergency etc, see systemctl --help |
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| 23:26.48 | g00se | Thanks |
| 23:26.53 | jhutchins | Arahael: They can be very useful for some kinds of serers, expecially if you need a maintenance mode, or say if you run your desktop as a web server during the work day. |
| 23:27.02 | Arahael | Brigo: that was my point, except i was also suggesting that many didn't make sense in sysv either. |
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| 23:27.03 | g00se | Seems more intuitive |
| 23:27.29 | Arahael | jhutchins: do you reboot your desktop just to run a webserver? |
| 23:27.37 | Brigo | Arahael, yes, but they could have sense, you could use it, if you want. |
| 23:27.49 | jhutchins | Arahael: Some distributions have always defined distinct purposes for the different levels. |
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| 23:28.55 | Arahael | as for rescue and emergency, i just use sh as init. |
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| 23:30.30 | valdyn | thats ok when you have a system that boots quickly ( where boot means everything *before* the operating system ) |
| 23:30.38 | jhutchins | Arahael: Runlevels are also consistent with other unices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel |
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| 23:32.47 | Roland- | ok |
| 23:32.58 | Roland- | does anyone know why my sans fonts is looking so ugly: http://i61.tinypic.com/334t9cn.png |
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| 23:33.29 | Roland- | sorry http://oi61.tinypic.com/334t9cn.jpg |
| 23:33.51 | valdyn | Roland-: its still not a monospace font |
| 23:34.20 | Roland- | monospace is cool until I put a lower than 12 size. |
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| 23:34.42 | valdyn | Roland-: im not telling you to use monospace, but *any* monospace font |
| 23:35.00 | valdyn | Roland-: where each letter actually occupies the space its given in a terminal |
| 23:35.09 | Arahael | jhutchins: that just reinforces my notion that they are a cludge. |
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| 23:35.10 | Roland- | I see |
| 23:35.15 | valdyn | Roland-: contrary to the l and i in your font |
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| 23:35.46 | valdyn | Roland-: Courier fonts are monospace for instance |
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| 23:35.57 | valdyn | ( but ugly from my pov ) |
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| 23:37.09 | Roland- | valdyn, can you please reccomend me a package |
| 23:37.30 | Roland- | fonts-inconsolata sucks. |
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| 23:37.38 | valdyn | Roland-: not really, i just use "bitstream vera sans mono" with max hinting |
| 23:37.50 | bascht | Roland-: If you want to go for something built-in you could install the fonts-dejavu package. |
| 23:38.06 | Roland- | yeah I have the dejavu core |
| 23:38.09 | Roland- | let me see the extra |
| 23:38.34 | valdyn | Roland-: dejavu mono looks about the same |
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| 23:39.25 | valdyn | Roland-: im at 24" full hd, your at 14" ... |
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| 23:40.25 | Roland- | ok I can find fonts but my question and mistery remains the same |
| 23:40.38 | Roland- | why is windows able to render this fonts properly and linux NOT |
| 23:40.41 | valdyn | Roland-: well, show us |
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| 23:40.53 | valdyn | Roland-: i find windows font rendering ugly |
| 23:40.55 | Roland- | I mean it's the same exact font I am copying it. |
| 23:41.08 | Roland- | win7 indeed but 8 has sexy fonts for fhd |
| 23:41.13 | valdyn | Roland-: dpi changes some things too |
| 23:41.43 | Roland- | I can play with os but the terminal is what I am looking for |
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| 23:42.01 | Roland- | like is there a way to find out what font my console uses? |
| 23:42.07 | Roland- | like the font in console is GREAT |
| 23:42.16 | Roland- | before the x window system |
| 23:42.25 | Brigo | Roland-, did you check the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 23:42.32 | valdyn | Roland-: thats a bitmap font, probably |
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| 23:43.07 | bascht | Roland-: Come to think of it: Are you running your display at its *full* resolution? |
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| 23:43.23 | bascht | Roland-: If the console (before X starts up) looks crisp⦠|
| 23:43.25 | Roland- | yes |
| 23:43.35 | Roland- | even in console, full res. |
| 23:43.39 | Roland- | i915 driver |
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| 23:44.07 | Roland- | oh yes |
| 23:44.11 | Roland- | bitmap fonts |
| 23:44.18 | Roland- | are for my terminal |
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| 23:46.22 | Roland- | does anyone know the default font for the console |
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| 23:47.05 | Roland- | got it |
| 23:47.08 | Roland- | it's fixed |
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| 23:49.15 | g00se | Something in /usr/share/consolefonts/ ? |
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| 23:50.48 | Roland- | yeah but not sure of the format |
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| 23:59.04 | g00se | justanot1eruser: You just asked that - wait much longer |
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