| 00:00.26 | seeker63 | richac: no it does not glitch out it just does not show the application il.e. iceweasel root terminal etc to be able to run them |
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| 00:00.57 | richac | oh you mean its not showing the menu or osmething? |
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| 00:01.46 | richac | seeker63: so what happens exaclty, you get a blackscreen with a moveable mouse cursor? |
| 00:01.58 | illy | he doesnt have the menu richac |
| 00:02.03 | seeker63 | shows the menu but when i select activities and then applications and then chose an application it does not show me the application to be ran |
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| 00:02.24 | illy | what did u doo seeker63 ? |
| 00:02.30 | richac | seeker63: oh i see....what happens if you run the application from the terminal, is there any error messages? |
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| 00:03.13 | seeker63 | richac: thanks for continueiing to persue. from terminal that is just it I can not get root terminal to come up or do you mean in recovery mode |
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| 00:03.28 | richac | what desktop are you using? |
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| 00:03.41 | seeker63 | illy: I just loaded wheezy and nvidia legacy driver |
| 00:03.46 | richac | kde? |
| 00:03.47 | seeker63 | richac: gdm3 |
| 00:04.06 | illy | seeker63: no idea never had a problem like that before :) |
| 00:04.22 | richac | i'm sorry i've never used gdm3 |
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| 00:05.03 | seeker63 | so at prompt you would suggest i do aptitude install kde? |
| 00:05.20 | richac | regarding the terminal, do you see it int he menu, but it just doesn't open up when clicked, like firefox? or is it that the terminal is not shown in menu at all? |
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| 00:05.48 | richac | seeker63: well, i thought maybe you had issue like i have had, with total black screen and mousecursor because desktop wasn't loading. and I was going to suggest alt f2.....and to open termain lthat way |
| 00:05.49 | seeker63 | it is in menu but does not open |
| 00:05.53 | richac | i see |
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| 00:07.13 | seeker63 | ok alt f2 is at least giving me a command line thanks |
| 00:07.24 | richac | see if anything opens up from that? |
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| 00:07.57 | richac | did you just update to gdm3? or is it just the vid drivers you updated |
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| 00:09.13 | richac | on google, i see sometimes your issue can be from a gnome-bluetooth bug. that sounds weird. maybe disable it if you don't need it just in case. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=105393 |
| 00:09.47 | richac | wait nevermind i read on...that guy was wrong haha |
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| 00:10.14 | seeker63 | richac: thanks for the help I am doing the command line now |
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| 00:10.32 | richac | you can try classic mode maybe window manager will work |
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| 00:10.54 | richac | its another suggestion in that thread |
| 00:11.00 | JZA | hi how do I install the liveUSB iso, is a hybrid |
| 00:11.07 | JZA | so I wonder if I can just dd to the USB |
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| 00:11.43 | richac | eew hybrid live usb |
| 00:11.57 | rww | JZA: yes, you can |
| 00:11.59 | JZA | richac: isnt that the best way to install? |
| 00:12.04 | rww | yes, it is |
| 00:12.07 | JZA | just a direct copy, no hassles. |
| 00:12.20 | richac | on my machine it makes the usb hang all the time |
| 00:12.29 | richac | suse does a hybird live usb by default |
| 00:12.33 | JZA | I am trying to get it on a Toshiba Satellite with Windows 8 but it seems the UEFI could become an issue... I hope I dont have major issues. |
| 00:12.33 | rww | sounds like your machine has issues. it works fine for normal people |
| 00:12.50 | richac | its one of the reasons opensuse is not that popular....so i beg to differ lol |
| 00:13.05 | richac | most people are turned off right after the live usb |
| 00:13.23 | rww | *shrug* we're in #debian |
| 00:13.39 | rww | JZA: possibly. Secure Boot will be, if it's enabled. Should be able to turn it off through your firmware interface if need be |
| 00:13.42 | richac | well i've never seen it on any other live usb, but if thats what you want to try go for it lol |
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| 00:13.54 | JZA | rww: I will think debian people know how to put debian on computers :p |
| 00:13.54 | richac | if its only to install it i don't see why not |
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| 00:14.28 | rww | JZA: I know, I was talking to richac |
| 00:14.29 | JZA | richac: because, it hangs? how? |
| 00:14.33 | JZA | oh ok |
| 00:14.46 | richac | JZA: use an opensuse live usb and see for yourself |
| 00:14.56 | richac | the reason it hangs is because of the hybrid partition it makes |
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| 00:15.14 | JZA | richac: ah sorry, I thought we were still on the UEFI topic. |
| 00:15.27 | SynrGy | richac: if you're complaining about the debian live usb hanging in this fashion, it's on-topic |
| 00:15.30 | richac | oh well thats osmething totally diff |
| 00:15.30 | SynrGy | otherwise, not |
| 00:15.44 | richac | the debian live usb works great |
| 00:15.52 | SynrGy | well, it's hybrid |
| 00:15.57 | richac | not when i used it |
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| 00:16.26 | richac | your telling me it has a second mountable partition on it? |
| 00:16.32 | rww | getting back to support questions as opposed to random richac tangent, the Debian Installer works fine |
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| 00:16.36 | richac | i never noticed that |
| 00:16.52 | SynrGy | did i say it had a second mountable partition? |
| 00:17.01 | JZA | any instructions on how to dd to the USB? |
| 00:17.03 | richac | thats what the hybrid partition means to me |
| 00:17.09 | JZA | just make sure my flags are correct. |
| 00:17.11 | SynrGy | i just said it's hybrid. that's all. it can boot from USB and it can boot from optical media |
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| 00:17.25 | richac | SynrGy: ok i'm sorry we are talking about totally diff things then |
| 00:17.36 | richac | i thought he wanted to make a hybrid partition |
| 00:17.36 | rww | JZA: dd if=path/to/filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M (where X is some number corresponding to your USB stick and bs= is optional) |
| 00:18.00 | JZA | got it |
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| 00:18.09 | richac | which i've only seen on the suse live usb. meaning you fdisk or open file manager.....and see a parition named hybrid on it lol |
| 00:18.29 | richac | if debian does indeed do the same thing on their live usb, i never noticed, and they do it way better then suse |
| 00:18.41 | JZA | rww: do I need to eliminate the fat partition of the USB or it shouldnt matter since is aiming to the sbX directly instead of sdbXY |
| 00:18.53 | JZA | err.. sdXY |
| 00:18.54 | SynrGy | i have no idea about suse, or what special meaning "hybrid" has for them. |
| 00:18.54 | rww | JZA: it doesn't matter, the partition table gets overwritten |
| 00:19.01 | JZA | ok good |
| 00:19.06 | SynrGy | for the rest of the world, hybrid usb images can be booted as optical media or from usb |
| 00:19.20 | SynrGy | with no other steps needed but copying to the target media of choice |
| 00:19.33 | JZA | rww: is the USB live environment persistent or not? like if I install software on the live environment, will it keep it? |
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| 00:19.56 | rww | JZA: there is a debian live ISO. i am not familiar with it at all. the regular installation ISOs are not live |
| 00:20.05 | rww | !live |
| 00:20.05 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 00:20.23 | sydney | Ive been having issues with my screen that i was hoping you all could help with. The power manager shuts the screen off, but then after few seconds, the screen turns right back on and never shuts off again. How do i fix this? |
| 00:20.37 | JZA | oh I didnt know there was a channel for that |
| 00:20.45 | rww | JZA: and as far as persistence, I have even less idea, sorry ;( |
| 00:20.52 | rww | (i guess the -live folks would know) |
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| 00:22.17 | sydney | oops |
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| 00:24.03 | sydney | :) |
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| 00:24.33 | brentaarnold | Is there a way to paste a really long link in a channel in a more unobtrusive manner? |
| 00:24.43 | brentaarnold | IE an a href |
| 00:25.01 | dvs | paste.debian.net? |
| 00:25.19 | brentaarnold | I guess that would be a good way of putting all of my problem into one 'support ticket' |
| 00:25.26 | brentaarnold | That I could just paste into IRC for help |
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| 00:27.16 | sydney | Hmm, could it be a graphics driver issue? |
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| 00:37.05 | seeker63 | sydney: i suppose it could do you know what file resollution settings are found |
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| 00:45.30 | seeker63 | does anyone know how much ram wheezy takes to work properly |
| 00:45.34 | brentaarnold | I'm having an issue communicating with an external fax modem connected through serial in Debian 7.7. Please review my case here: http://paste.debian.net/131054/ |
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| 00:45.52 | brentaarnold | seeker63: I believe the dedicated RAM is 2GB |
| 00:46.07 | brentaarnold | seeker63: Err, preferred |
| 00:46.40 | seeker63 | brentaarnold: so wheezy will not run on legacy system well then |
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| 00:47.03 | richac | seeker63: i was hoping that wasn't true lol |
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| 00:47.20 | richac | seeker63: why not install lubuntu or fedora lxde? |
| 00:47.22 | seeker63 | i only have 512 so that might be the issue |
| 00:47.33 | JZA | great I just ran debian, but I cant find my wifi network |
| 00:47.40 | JZA | anyone know what step to set it up? |
| 00:47.46 | richac | seeker63: oh ya wow, you might want to use puppy linux |
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| 00:48.09 | richac | seeker63: i boto up fedora linux at 128mb. and it has a ligthweight browser |
| 00:48.14 | somiaj | JZA: what wifi card do you have, changes are you'll have to install the non-free firmware |
| 00:48.14 | richac | fedora lxde |
| 00:48.21 | seeker63 | richac: or see what mother board will take |
| 00:48.52 | richac | seeker63: you ahve a very old system, i would go with an lxde spin, or something smaller |
| 00:48.57 | iflema | richac: come troll it up in ##linux and leave these folks alone... come tell us about the glory of grsec |
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| 00:49.29 | richac | iflema: i never have a problem in debian bud |
| 00:49.30 | somiaj | seeker63: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 00:49.45 | brentaarnold | I'm having an issue communicating with an external fax modem connected through serial in Debian 7.7. Please review my case here: http://paste.debian.net/131054/ |
| 00:49.46 | somiaj | seeker63: that gives the offical requiremeents and recomended. |
| 00:49.49 | richac | rww was just trolling me before....but thats rare in here |
| 00:49.57 | somiaj | seeker63: and then read on, you can install on less than that |
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| 00:52.00 | richac | iflema: watching [R] treat the newbie like pos makes me want to bury him |
| 00:52.19 | iflema | richac: he just did a good one... funny... |
| 00:52.24 | iflema | tears |
| 00:52.40 | richac | something is wrong wit him |
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| 00:53.42 | abrotman | seeker63: Wheezy doesn't require anything close to 2GB |
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| 00:54.03 | abrotman | seeker63: the minimum for Wheezy to install is 64MB I believe, check the installation guide |
| 00:54.12 | richac | abrotman: with a debian netinstall, can you pick a lightweight de? |
| 00:54.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:54.32 | seeker63 | abrotman: documentation suggests 512mb |
| 00:54.38 | seeker63 | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | seeker63: suggests, or requires? |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | seeker63: do you want X, or just CLI? |
| 00:54.48 | richac | abrotman: do they have lxde? |
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| 00:55.13 | seeker63 | abrotman: i would prefer X |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | richac: have you looked? your questoin is easily answered, given how much you pretend to know |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | seeker63: I'd say maybe 256MB, but your experience will be .. limited |
| 00:55.37 | richac | abrotman: i guess you don't know |
| 00:55.53 | richac | seeker63: you would be better off with fedora lxde, or puppy linux |
| 00:55.59 | abrotman | richac: I know, you pretend to know a lot. Clearly you're far from half as expereinced as you pretend |
| 00:56.06 | richac | abrotman: troll harder |
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| 00:56.18 | dvs | ban hardest! |
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| 00:56.34 | abrotman | that's not the first time he's been a problem |
| 00:56.52 | brentaarnold | I'm having an issue communicating with an external fax modem connected through serial in Debian 7.7. Please review my case here: http://paste.debian.net/131054/ |
| 00:56.54 | Devastator | and it's not just here |
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| 00:59.16 | dvs | brentaarnold: I don't think echo is enough to communicate with a modem. I'd install minicom to diagnose the connection. |
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| 01:00.13 | brentaarnold | dvs: Thanks, I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:00.27 | rj46 | is it possible to create permanent additonal bridge device instead of changing a host device to br0 ? (https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge) |
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| 01:00.58 | dondelelcaro | rj46: yes, that's usually how you do it |
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| 01:01.12 | dondelelcaro | rj46: though it'll have to be re-created at each boot, of course. |
| 01:01.52 | rj46 | dondelelcaro: ok, i was wonder If its something better than re-creating that at each boot |
| 01:01.57 | rj46 | dondelelcaro: thanks ! |
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| 01:03.16 | goldenlight | what is the |
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| 01:03.34 | dvs | yes |
| 01:04.06 | dondelelcaro | rj46: the general way is that you write it in /etc/network/interfaces or similar, so the scripts re-create it |
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| 01:05.04 | dondelelcaro | rj46: if you install bridge-utils, and read man bridge-utils-interfaces; it should have some good ideas for you |
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| 01:09.17 | rj46 | dondelelcaro: thanks for tips! Bridge added by bridge-utils, these commands should be in /etc/network/interfaces, its a good habiit, right? |
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| 01:11.21 | dondelelcaro | rj46: yep. At least in Debian, anyway |
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| 01:12.21 | rj46 | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 01:13.34 | seeker63 | i installed xfce4 and removed gnome and gdm3. now at boot i have no desktop manager what have i missed doing |
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| 01:14.23 | g00se | Installing a DM? |
| 01:14.33 | seeker63 | g00se: yes |
| 01:14.47 | g00se | That was an answer, not a question ;) |
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| 01:15.11 | dvs | g00se: yes, that was the answer? |
| 01:15.14 | somiaj | seeker63: if you don't want to use gdm3, there are other options. lightdm is one people use |
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| 01:15.37 | seeker63 | g00se: o so I should not have removed gdm3 |
| 01:15.41 | somiaj | seeker63: there is also xdm, wdm, slim, kdm, etc |
| 01:16.01 | seeker63 | somiaj: which is the lightest weight |
| 01:16.14 | g00se | seeker63: You should probably yes. It doesn't go with xfce. lightdm often does |
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| 01:16.38 | seeker63 | g00se: ok i will try that thanks |
| 01:17.04 | somiaj | seeker63: xdm might be the lightest, but it is old and doens't have many features. |
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| 01:23.48 | seeker63 | ok one more question what command line to find how much memory my computer has in slots |
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| 01:24.03 | a1fa | something happened to my debian server this morning at 6:25:07. i'm seeing that some things were updated; but dpkg.log is showing no activity |
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| 01:24.32 | a1fa | is it normal for cache to update on its own? |
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| 01:25.08 | Brigo | a1fa, as far as i know, no |
| 01:25.14 | a1fa | /var/cache/man got updated |
| 01:25.15 | Brigo | seeker63, in slots? |
| 01:25.15 | somiaj | what things were updated? apt-get update won't have be loged with dpkg, did you check the apt logs? |
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| 01:25.22 | a1fa | /var/cache/apt-xapian-index |
| 01:25.28 | a1fa | but no log in dpkg.log |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell seeker63 about whats my hardware |
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| 01:25.58 | a1fa | apache also restarted |
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| 01:30.07 | a1fa | Brigo: what are the system cron jobs - what time do they run like daily? etc |
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| 01:31.15 | a1fa | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 01:31.16 | rj46 | a1fa: check them using crontab |
| 01:31.23 | a1fa | ok, so 6:25 |
| 01:31.30 | a1fa | exactly when my server freaked out |
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| 01:32.02 | a1fa | so there is apt in cron.daily |
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| 01:33.46 | Brigo | a1fa, man cron |
| 01:33.46 | Brigo | it runs scripts in /etc/cron /etc/cron.daily, etc |
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| 01:35.07 | Brigo | a1fa, yes it is |
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| 01:38.31 | khaije|io | do the sub-id ranges, (in /etc/subuid, for example), need to be uniqe? |
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| 01:40.13 | Guest36227 | ive been forced to reinstall entirely. is there a way to capture the list of *files* dpkg manages before i do, so i can remove them if theyre left over, or reinstall old packages if needed. dpkg --get-selections is half way there, but it doesnt record the files? |
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| 01:40.33 | khaije|io | all the documentation I've seen shows a subuid range starting at 100000, but i dont know if this is all treated as the same initial context UID |
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| 01:46.06 | a1fa | lol my syslog has not updated since january 2014 |
| 01:46.45 | Guest36227 | khaije|io, ive never heard of /etc/subuid, but it sounds like a 100x multiplier to keep them seperate from system ids (starts from 0), and user ids (starts from 1000) |
| 01:46.55 | dvs | unleashes heartbleed on alfa |
| 01:47.04 | illy | lele |
| 01:47.15 | Guest36227 | why they do this is beyond me, nobody needs to know their uid |
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| 01:47.25 | a1fa | cd |
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| 01:48.45 | jordila | dear #debian community , while 'apt-upgrade' on Wheezy LAMP production server i had my SSH pipe broken :-/ . After restoring SSH connection i'm having problems with the MySQL server ( Starting [FAIL] ) . Complete log of the status can be found here : https://gist.github.com/jordila/31b5c9871c6210baa4c2 |
| 01:49.00 | jordila | Any hints are more than welcomed ! |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | jordila: hint, do upgrades inside of 'screen' |
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| 01:49.46 | jordila | thanks abrotman |
| 01:50.01 | Guest36227 | also, ask a mysql channel. that is not related to debian |
| 01:50.03 | AR45 | hi |
| 01:50.18 | khaije|io | Guest36227: I'm trying to figure out this user namespace stuff, and it's still unclear to me |
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| 01:50.35 | abrotman | jordila: in the meantime, try to put mysql into debug mode when you start it |
| 01:51.19 | jordila | thanks again abrotman |
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| 01:51.56 | khaije|io | im guessing it's a way of creating a true system UID/GID for every UID/GID in every user namespace ... but if thats the case it'd seem like they would be required to be unique |
| 01:52.12 | AR45 | abrotman, hi |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | AR45: Don't do that |
| 01:52.26 | Guest36227 | khaije|io, its not hard, every user is assigned a unique id ranging from 0 (which is root, btw) to <a large number that used to be 65535>. if you forcibly give 2 users the same id, they have the same access permissions |
| 01:52.37 | abrotman | AR45: you're already on thin ice, you're evading your bans again |
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| 01:53.05 | AR45 | abrotman, I don't even know how to evade a ban >.< |
| 01:53.14 | AR45 | abrotman, I have one issue |
| 01:53.26 | AR45 | abrotman, chars in my terminal are showing as question marks |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | AR45: Good for you |
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| 01:54.20 | Guest36227 | khaije|io, apart from identifying permissions, theres no need for you or anyone to know what that id is. its like the difference between ip addresses and dns names. |
| 01:55.02 | Guest36227 | (btw type `id` to see what yours is) |
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| 01:55.06 | jordila | sorry abrotman, when you say ' upgrades inside of 'screen' ' you mean something like 'terminal session sharing' kind of am i completely wrong ? |
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| 01:55.28 | abrotman | jordila: man screen, learn how to use it. It may have helped inthis situation |
| 01:55.45 | Guest36227 | ahem, so im stuck with dpkg --get-selections? |
| 01:55.47 | jordila | sure , thanks |
| 01:56.50 | khaije|io | to clarify, i'm asking a question about how user namespaces, (http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/user_namespaces.7.html) are setup, not the way unix users are identified/managed normally |
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| 01:59.04 | Guest36227 | khaije|io, ok. as i said, i never heard of /etc/subuid, and i dont even have that manpage. |
| 01:59.34 | khaije|io | np Guest36227, just wanted to clarify |
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| 02:00.24 | Guest36227 | if its the same as the uids in /etc/users, then my comments are still valid, otherwise ill shut up |
| 02:01.14 | jordila | ok abrotman i get it... with 'screen' managed terminal session i could have re-connected to the SSH session in a smoother way... not impacting the 'apt-get' upgrade process ...am i right saying so ? :-/ |
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| 02:01.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:01.34 | jordila | :-) |
| 02:02.07 | Guest36227 | ive been forced to reinstall entirely. is there a way to capture the list of *files* dpkg manages before i do, so i can remove them if theyre left over, or reinstall old packages if needed. dpkg --get-selections is half way there, but it doesnt record the files?- |
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| 02:04.37 | abrotman | Guest36227: see /var/log/dpkg/info/ |
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| 02:05.21 | Guest36227 | ls: cannot access /var/log/dpkg/info: No such file or directory |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | sorry, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 02:06.07 | Guest36227 | /var/log/dpkg.log is just what dpkg --get-selections would give me though. read the question properly |
| 02:07.15 | jordila | abrotman , my problem was solved after a second 'apt-get upgrade' , thanks |
| 02:07.22 | Guest36227 | hmm that look interesting, but is there a way to integrate it to the new system? |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Guest36227 about aptitude clone |
| 02:07.59 | khaije|io | ya, it's definitely a new layer or dimension... in which user/group IDs can be manipulated in heirarchial namespaces. My personal goal is to create an unpriviledged container for lab software |
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| 02:09.00 | Guest36227 | dpkg is dead? you better do it yourself? |
| 02:09.01 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Guest36227 |
| 02:09.03 | Guest36227 | heh |
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| 02:09.59 | Guest36227 | no mention of 'clone' in aptitude manpage... |
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| 02:10.33 | Guest36227 | https://www.debian-administration.org/article/669/Cloning_a_Debian_system_-_identical_packages_and_versions |
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| 02:10.43 | Guest36227 | google to the rescue? |
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| 02:12.58 | abrotman | Guest36227: the bot told you already |
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| 02:13.18 | Guest36227 | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Guest36227 |
| 02:13.22 | Guest36227 | really? |
| 02:13.40 | Guest36227 | and that was when i asked it directly |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | PEBKAC |
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| 02:14.27 | Guest36227 | indeed |
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| 02:22.40 | brentaarnold | I'm having an issue communicating with an external fax modem connected through serial in Debian 7.7. Please review my case here: http://paste.debian.net/131059/ |
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| 02:28.07 | BenNZ | hi , i have a few icons i wish to move to /usr/share/icons so that all users can use them , however there is quite a few so ideally id like to move them to /usr/share/icons/icon-directory/ however if i do that i cant seem to use them , is there a better way to do this |
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| 02:34.13 | jmcnaught | BenNZ: I would try putting them in /usr/local/share/icons |
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| 02:35.11 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: can they be in a subfolder , ie /usr/local/share/icons/icon-folder |
| 02:35.46 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ, normally icon themes go in a subfolder each |
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| 02:36.22 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: thats what i thought , but everytime i copy there i cant seem to use them |
| 02:36.47 | jmcnaught | BenNZ: yeah like Simotek-Work says in /usr/share/icons I have a few directories for different icon themes. But I would use /usr/local instead of /usr for stuff you put there yourself (as opposed to installed via packages) |
| 02:38.27 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: everytime i copy the ~/.local/share/icons/icon-folder to /usr/local/share/icons/icon-folder i dont seem to be able to use the icons |
| 02:39.17 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: well unless i specify the full path , but it would be better if i didnt need to , as what it is like with the ~/.local/share/icons/ folder |
| 02:40.17 | jmcnaught | BenNZ: what's not showing the icons? |
| 02:40.49 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: well for example , if i use create a .desktop file using one of the icons , the icon doesnt show up unless i show the full path |
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| 02:43.46 | jmcnaught | BenNZ: can you use the full path? maybe if you told us which desktop environment someone will know a trick. |
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| 02:44.37 | Simotek-Work | jmcnaught, all the desktop environments should behave the same, atleast the major ones. Icons are a freedesktop.org standard |
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| 02:45.08 | BenNZ | jmcnaught: well xfce , but if i make a .desktop , i should be able to specify the icon |
| 02:45.13 | Simotek-Work | http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html |
| 02:45.26 | BenNZ | the icon is the only thing that doesnt work , unless i place it in ~/.local/share/icons |
| 02:45.49 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: thanks that looks like what i want |
| 02:45.59 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ, the icon needs to be a part of the current icon theme, if it was in the right place in your active icon theme it should work |
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| 02:46.22 | seeker63 | my screen resolution is 680 by 340 when i had squeeze i had better resolution on same machine. How do I get better resolution using nvidia legacy 96xx drivers |
| 02:46.52 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: so in other words i cant move an icon from ~/.local/share/icons to /usr/local/share/icons ? |
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| 02:47.20 | Simotek-Work | probably not |
| 02:47.43 | Simotek-Work | i didn't even know you could put icons in .local |
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| 02:48.04 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: i thought they went in either /usr/share/pixmaps or /usr/share/icons myself |
| 02:48.13 | Simotek-Work | i've put complete icon themes in ~/.icons |
| 02:48.38 | Simotek-Work | but i've never tried adding 1 or 2 icons to no particular theme |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | seeker63: which video card? are you sure it's supported by that driver? |
| 02:49.24 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: i was just thinking about for install when you install a program and places the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps/programname for instance , the .desktop just has the icon name , not the full path , but when i try to do the same i cant , im not sure why not |
| 02:49.32 | seeker63 | abrotman: yes it is supported according to documentation it is an onboard geforce4 mx |
| 02:50.18 | seeker63 | abrotman: the debian documentation on web is where i got the nvidia graphic drivers info |
| 02:50.26 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: do i need to rebuild the icon cache somehow ? |
| 02:51.15 | seeker63 | abrotman: changing to xfce4 is good but i really would like better resolution |
| 02:52.07 | Simotek-Work | not sure BenNZ |
| 02:52.33 | Simotek-Work | might depend on the implementation used by your de |
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| 02:53.29 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: as far as im aware if an icon is in /usr/share/pixmaps you shouldnt need the full path |
| 02:53.46 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ, according to the standard you should put a 48px icon in the hicolor theme |
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| 02:54.54 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: its not a whole icon theme tho , its just a few program icons |
| 02:56.20 | Simotek-Work | re reading it the standard seems to think /usr/share/pixmaps should be fine |
| 02:57.07 | Simotek-Work | but it should look in $HOME/.icons and %XDG_DATA_DIR/.icons first, so if theres something in there that will get in the way |
| 02:57.25 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: i want to make the icons available to all users |
| 02:57.41 | Simotek-Work | In order to have a place for third party applications to install their icons there should always exist a theme called "hicolor" |
| 02:58.19 | Simotek-Work | so by the sounds of it you should be adding your icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
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| 03:00.25 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: no that doesnt do it either |
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| 03:03.10 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: i think ill have to share my home folder , seems to be the only way |
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| 03:03.47 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: looks as if debian doesnt allow just simply copy a single program icon ~/ into /usr/share/icons |
| 03:03.54 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ why not add them to a directory inside the hicolor theme as per the standard? |
| 03:04.08 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: i tried that and it still didnt work |
| 03:04.14 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ, it shouldn't its not part of the standard |
| 03:04.27 | Simotek-Work | and its xfce/gnome/kde implementing this not debian |
| 03:05.01 | Simotek-Work | BenNZ, inside /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48 |
| 03:05.36 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: yes thats where i place the icon i wanted to use , but still i couldnt use it in my .desktop file |
| 03:06.22 | Simotek-Work | well then thats a bug, did you logout and login again? maybe theres a cache |
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| 03:06.36 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: yeah im thinking i might need to reboot |
| 03:06.52 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: is there a command i need to run to rebuild the icon cache ? |
| 03:07.26 | Simotek-Work | i think theres one for enlightenment, not sure about other desktop enviornments |
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| 03:08.23 | BenNZ | logging out and rebooting does nothing |
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| 03:10.35 | Simotek-Work | putting it in 48x48/apps is my last guess |
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| 03:12.41 | percY-work | Is there a command i can use to show me what order the drives are on the hba controller? |
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| 03:14.03 | BenNZ | Simotek-Work: well thanks for the help anyway , ill keep searching |
| 03:14.15 | Simotek-Work | np |
| 03:14.20 | Simotek-Work | np |
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| 03:15.18 | abrotman | percY-work: are they different sizes, etc? |
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| 03:22.53 | percY-work | no same sizes |
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| 03:26.05 | somiaj | percY-work: what is it you are trying to look at? |
| 03:27.09 | percY-work | Well... it's zfs related |
| 03:27.35 | percY-work | I want to export the pool Rearramge all disks physically, then reimport |
| 03:27.46 | somiaj | percY-work: I got it now, does dmesg not tell you what device they were attached to when connected. lshw might tell you what drive is attached to wath controler and more speciifcly what port. |
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| 03:31.53 | abrotman | percY-work: lsscsi any help? |
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| 03:35.04 | somiaj | also /dev/disk/by-id gives disks by their serial number/manufactor for my ata devices, maybe it will for scsi devices and help you too |
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| 03:41.58 | percY-work | umm |
| 03:41.59 | percY-work | one sec |
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| 03:43.42 | percY-work | this is the output of lsscsi http://puu.sh/cKufe/04f6c16f6a.png |
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| 04:07.17 | jcrb | quick question on grep - how would I filter only files which have a file extension? for example grep .so$ captures everything with a .so file extension correctly but grep .\+$ doesn't seem to work (my attempt) |
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| 04:10.31 | somiaj | jcrb: you have to escape the period too |
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| 04:11.37 | jcrb | somiaj: good call... still doesn't work, but a little confused over whether to escape the + or not |
| 04:11.45 | jcrb | either way doesn't seem to work |
| 04:11.54 | heurist | dpkg: tell jcrb -about crosspost |
| 04:12.27 | heurist | jcrb: why are using a + there at all? maybe you mean \..+$ ? |
| 04:12.31 | somiaj | jcrb: well you may have to double escape it, so grep knows that it is a period and not match a single character |
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| 04:13.58 | jcrb | heurist: I only want to match if there is one or more occurrences of a character after a period |
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| 04:14.38 | heurist | jcrb: that is what mine should do. but note that it will also match .. at the end of a name. |
| 04:16.23 | jcrb | heurist: and yet it does not work |
| 04:16.55 | jcrb | heurist: I get no results from grep \..+$ |
| 04:17.05 | heurist | dpkg: tell jcrb -about does not work |
| 04:17.21 | somiaj | I wonder if you put the . inbrackets, [.]+$ |
| 04:17.51 | heurist | jcrb: grep -E of course. see man grep |
| 04:17.54 | jcrb | no using a special regex engine or anything so no tags on grep |
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| 04:19.37 | jcrb | heurist: well you didn't mention using a particular engine; there are a couple described... but grep -E \..+$ matches every line returned |
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| 04:20.13 | heurist | jcrb: that will match every line that has a . in it |
| 04:20.49 | jcrb | heurist: it is matching directories with no dots too |
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| 04:22.03 | heurist | jcrb: dpkg -L tree | grep -E "\.[^.]+$" does not match the directories for me. |
| 04:22.16 | heurist | jcrb: maybe try stating what you are trying to do. avoid the XY problem http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 04:23.45 | jcrb | heurist: the results of dpkg -c seems to return all the directories which any files are contained within... including all empty parent directories |
| 04:24.03 | jcrb | heurist: so I want to grep the results of that and filter out all of those directories |
| 04:26.05 | heurist | jcrb: dpkg -c ... | grep -E "[^/]$" |
| 04:26.56 | heurist | jcrb: or ... | grep -v "/$" |
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| 04:28.52 | jcrb | heurist: cool, that's hepful... |
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| 04:29.39 | jcrb | heurist: unfortunately the directories seem to start with "./" in the -c output |
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| 04:30.19 | heurist | jcrb: yes, but they also end in / so you can just filter out any line that ends in / |
| 04:31.05 | jcrb | heurist: dpkg -c ... | grep -E "[^/]$" works if I change it to grep -E "[^/]+$" |
| 04:32.26 | heurist | jcrb: do you understand what the + does? it does make sense there, since nothing should end in more than one / and even if it did, it still ends in / |
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| 04:33.29 | heurist | jcrb: does the -v one work for you? it is a better solution as it states the problem more clearly. |
| 04:34.30 | jcrb | yep, just tried it again and it works |
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| 05:09.29 | psiforce | hi all |
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| 07:37.45 | Amtrask | Hello all. I've just done a fresh Debian 7 install on a Dell OptiPlex 780, everything goes fine. However, I set it up to have the root partition encrypted, so I have to put in a password when it starts up. Problem is, once the system leaves GRUB and goes into whatever takes control from there (initrd?), the keyboard stops working :( |
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| 08:29.41 | AR45i | Just did a base install of jessie and installed i3... does anyone know how to open up a terminal after I do `startx |
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| 08:31.34 | schlitzer | hey all, i would like to setup a internal deb repository, most like a PPA. according to https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository mini-dinstall or reprepro are the suggested tools. but both have there downsides |
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| 08:32.40 | schlitzer | should i better take a look at mini-dak, or what would be the tool of choice for this? |
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| 08:33.58 | MarvelDigital | i messed up my hosts and hostname file somehow...now i'm user@(none) and i can't ip into my LAMP...how can i fix this? |
| 08:34.12 | schlitzer | hmm, mini-dak seems unmaintained, lst release is from 2004 |
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| 08:38.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning great guys :) !!! |
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| 09:25.32 | anikras | hi, i am using debian jessie and when i update my system i see this error: /var/cache/apt/archives/libaudio2_1.9.4-1+b1_amd64.deb |
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| 09:26.04 | heurist | anikras: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:27.31 | anikras | is it only for stable? |
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| 09:27.52 | heurist | anikras: this is the channel for stable, yes. |
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| 09:28.04 | anikras | ok |
| 09:28.08 | anikras | thanks |
| 09:28.18 | heurist | anikras: welcome (: |
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| 09:39.52 | colo-work | how can I use `aptitude changelog` to display thechangelog for this package?: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64:amd64 (version: 3.2.60-1+deb7u3~bpo60+1) |
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| 09:41.41 | babilen | colo-work: Read aptitude's manpage. It describes in detail how to select different versions. |
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| 09:44.02 | colo-work | babilen, I did, though I'm not sure if I am invoking it correctly, and aptitude's error message is not very encouraging - all my incantations yield something like this: "E: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/squeeze-backports is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog." |
| 09:44.24 | Iridos | colo-work, do you have it installed? |
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| 09:45.04 | colo-work | Iridos, yes, I have. I'm not sure what exact string aptitude expects to identify that specific package, though. |
| 09:45.19 | colo-work | is it possible that there simply is no changelog available? |
| 09:46.10 | Iridos | colo-work, then just take the changelog in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz ? |
| 09:46.27 | babilen | Iridos: That would be too easy ;) |
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| 09:46.49 | Iridos | the merit of aptitude changelog <package> is to be able to see changelogs of things you haven't installed...so... |
| 09:46.53 | Iridos | babilen, sorry for that!!! |
| 09:47.12 | Iridos | babilen, I promise not to do it again!! |
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| 09:49.59 | colo-work | hm. the changelog's last entry corresponds to the version that had just been installed, however the date reads " Thu, 31 Jul 2014". I wonder why we just got that package into our feed _today_... |
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| 10:12.52 | jelly-home | colo-work: that backport only got through a couple days ago. I'll be waiting for 3.2.63 instead. |
| 10:13.41 | colo-work | jelly-home, ah, OK - I was a bit confused because I did not expect updates to bpo6 packages whatsoever any more |
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| 10:14.15 | jelly-home | it would be nice if lts people picked it up |
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| 10:15.44 | jelly-home | still, "would be nice" does not mesh with "my $employer added 0 monies to LTS budget" |
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| 10:50.06 | Megaf | Hi everyone, how are things? So, I got this new Toshiba SATELLITE C50D-B 120 laptop and Installed Debain Jessey Beta 2 on it. So far things are working pretty nicely. Wifi, Bluetooth, GPU (With no linux-firmware-nofree), fn keys. But there are two small issues that I'd like you to help me out. The fn key that is supposed to increase brighness will actually make it sleep, so I believe I have to remap the brightness and sleep keys. And the other issue is |
| 10:50.06 | Megaf | that it won't wake up properly after going to sleep, I mean, the screen will not turn on. So, any ideas? |
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| 10:51.48 | no_gravity | Is checkrestart reliable? |
| 10:52.13 | no_gravity | when it says "Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files" is it safe to keep the machine running? |
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| 10:53.06 | jelly-home | no_gravity: it can guess wrong init scripts and sometimes do false positives, but I haven't noticed false negatives (and I'm not sure I'd be able to detect them at all) |
| 10:53.23 | no_gravity | because apt-get upgrade just updated "apport cloud-init grub-legacy-ec2 libxml2 libxml2-utils php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-curl php5-gd php5-mysql python-apport python-problem-report tzdata wget" and i find it surprising that none of that impacts running stuff. |
| 10:54.29 | jelly-home | no_gravity: does lsof work correctly on that system? |
| 10:54.51 | no_gravity | jelly-home: how do i find out? |
| 10:54.54 | jelly-home | if it does, it's probable checkrestart does its thing |
| 10:55.27 | no_gravity | lsof spits out a ton of stuff |
| 10:55.37 | oznt | Hi guys, I am using reprepro to maintain my own little debian reporsitory. I tried add new package to my repo and bumped into this: gpgme gave error GPGME:11: Bad passphrase |
| 10:55.41 | jelly-home | no_gravity: well, run it and see if the output looks reasonable and full of libraries for each process |
| 10:56.05 | oznt | but I am not being asked for a passphrase, so can some lend a help with gpg and reprepro? |
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| 10:56.51 | no_gravity | jelly-home: well, to my amateur eye, it looks reasonable :) |
| 10:58.40 | dfh | hey all! debian newbie here. i've added this line to /etc/sudoers.d/backup: "backup localhost = NOPASSWD: /bin/mount" -- but sudo still asks me for a password... any hints? |
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| 11:00.42 | heurist | dfh: have you set sudo to read /etc/sudoers.d/ ? it does not do that by default. |
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| 11:01.25 | dfh | i think it does, yes, as it complained about syntax errors when i made a typo. |
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| 11:01.45 | heurist | dfh: confirm that. |
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| 11:04.33 | dfh | heurist: i have the following line in /etc/sudoers: "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d" |
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| 11:04.54 | heurist | dfh: that looks ok. try changing "localhost" to "ALL" to test if your host in not resolving to "localhost", you may need to use the real hostname. |
| 11:06.08 | dfh | heurist: ha, that did the trick. should've thought of that! |
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| 11:06.30 | dfh | heurist: it would be kinda nice to have it resolve to localhost though... |
| 11:07.12 | heurist | dfh: does hostname say localhost? if host $realIP ? |
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| 11:07.24 | heurist | dfh: s/if/or/ |
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| 11:09.11 | dfh | heurist: hostname says "harry", which is what's set in /etc/hostname |
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| 11:11.12 | dfh | heurist: gotta go. will look into the hostname thing. thanks for your help! |
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| 11:20.14 | phre4k | which is the preferred VNC server for Debian? Should I use VNC at all? I use TightVNC on all my Win clients, but heard of TigerVNC which is sadly not in the Debian repos... |
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| 11:24.27 | rr | phre4k: check http://serverfault.com/questions/282708/best-vnc-server-for-linux |
| 11:24.51 | rr | as for me, i seldom use GUI, so, just ssh will do |
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| 11:26.35 | phre4k | rr: yeah, but sometimes I have to show my user some GUI elements. For configuring xfpanel or the like I rather wouldn't use ssh+vim ;) |
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| 11:28.31 | phre4k | is TurboVNC a fork of the current TightVNC or of an earlier version? Is there the possibility to run TigerVNC? |
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| 11:34.24 | rr | check on #tigervnc maybe peeps there will be able to throw you some ideas |
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| 11:35.26 | phre4k | nvm, found the somewhat "official" winswitch repo which contains tigervnc. |
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| 11:42.49 | phre4k | wow, TigerVNC is pretty great |
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| 11:57.59 | moeyebus | Hello |
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| 11:58.06 | moeyebus | I seem to be impacted by this bug : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767836 |
| 11:58.16 | moeyebus | Only the proposed fix doesn't solve the problem. |
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| 11:59.18 | vaxerdec | i am not sure if this is the right channel, i'm trying to figure out why setting antialias=false results in less inter-char spacing for a monotype than antialias=true, is this normal? |
| 11:59.43 | moeyebus | Plus, I already was using linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64=3.2.63-2 |
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| 12:00.13 | tsun | I just installed pure debian with no GUI on my weekend server computer, any suggested things I should do aside from using sudoers? How should I disable the login attempt with root? Just disable the account? |
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| 12:01.27 | vaxerdec | tsun: maybe browse /etc/security/ and /etc/default/ |
| 12:01.41 | tsun | Alright I'll take that into consideration. I'm heading to bed now |
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| 12:03.08 | skibur | Morning |
| 12:04.20 | skibur | How does one disable a Linux account with no access to SSH with Keys? |
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| 12:04.51 | vaxerdec | skibur: you want to disable the keys? |
| 12:05.40 | skibur | I would like to disable both the account on the server + disable SSH keys. |
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| 12:06.06 | vaxerdec | skibur: by "disable the account" what do you mean exactly? you need to keep the uid around? |
| 12:06.09 | skibur | passwd <user> -l will only lock the account, but ssh keys are still allowed. |
| 12:06.11 | Arahael | skibur: The classic way is to set their shell to /bin/false |
| 12:06.15 | heurist | moeyebus: you say you are using 3.2.63-2, but you should be using 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 according to that bug report. check uname -a |
| 12:06.31 | Arahael | skibur: Oh, you want to *allow* ssh access with keys, as teh only permitted means of access? |
| 12:06.57 | moeyebus | heurist: I was using that one. From the security repo. |
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| 12:07.25 | zoxan | Arahael: I thought that /bin/false is not good for that thing http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ssh-security/ |
| 12:07.28 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i have always used /bin/true or /sbin/nologin |
| 12:07.39 | skibur | I would like to keep the account just in case, but I don't want the user to login locally and use their ssh keys to gain access to the server. |
| 12:07.52 | moeyebus | And now, I downgraded to the regular repo version. So, 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 --> 3.2.63-2 |
| 12:07.55 | moeyebus | And it works. |
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| 12:09.08 | vaxerdec | i think debian has some pam setting that if the password field is zeroed it doesn't allow login, or something. but i remember on solaris zeroed password field meant, no password at all, just login |
| 12:09.25 | Arahael | zoxan: It certainly does depend on what skibur means. |
| 12:09.44 | Arahael | zoxan: But it's the classic method, and does what it means! |
| 12:09.45 | heurist | skibur: see PermitRootLogin in man sshd_config |
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| 12:10.29 | vaxerdec | it depends on whether console or other login mechanisms must be disallowed too |
| 12:11.09 | heurist | skibur: usermod -L root if you have sudo that allows you to become root when needed. |
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| 12:12.09 | eb0t | hey what is the best thing on debian for downloading youtube videos |
| 12:12.19 | eb0t | i cant find youtube-dl in aptitude |
| 12:12.22 | heurist | eb0t: cclive |
| 12:12.30 | vaxerdec | eb0t: yeah, it's not there |
| 12:12.36 | vaxerdec | eb0t: i noticed that too, have to use git |
| 12:12.36 | eb0t | ah thanks heurist |
| 12:12.41 | babilen | judd: v cclive |
| 12:12.42 | judd | Package: cclive on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-1; wheezy: 0.7.9-1; sid: 0.7.16-2+b1; jessie: 0.7.16-2+b1 |
| 12:12.46 | Arahael | That reminds me. How do I get iceweasel to _shut_up_ about the (lack of) shockwave plugins? |
| 12:12.47 | vaxerdec | eb0t: probably it violates google tos |
| 12:12.49 | babilen | judd: v youtube-dl |
| 12:12.50 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2014.10.30-1 |
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| 12:12.58 | eb0t | yes i wondered why ... |
| 12:13.03 | vaxerdec | eb0t: just a guess |
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| 12:13.29 | skibur | I have "able" user account. He is allowed to log in locally with is username and password. In addition, he can also remote log in vi SSH no password beasue SSH Keys are allowed. I would like to disable both methods of accessing the server. |
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| 12:14.30 | heurist | skibur: sorry, I though you wanted to disable root login. for normal users you can add sshd.config entries of the Match type. see the man page |
| 12:14.40 | vaxerdec | skibur: if you want to disable root login from anywhere (including local) maybe zero /etc/securetty |
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| 12:15.02 | vaxerdec | skibur: but, that may disallow sudo as well, not sure if sudo uses pam to check this |
| 12:15.06 | skibur | Thanks heurist |
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| 12:15.40 | skibur | vaxerdec, able is not in the sudoers files :) |
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| 12:15.47 | skibur | *file |
| 12:15.53 | vaxerdec | skibur: well, *you* will need to use root privs at some point |
| 12:16.17 | vaxerdec | skibur: i may still be misunderstanding your case though :-) |
| 12:16.32 | eb0t | wow loving that cclive...thanks heurist...just plain and simple download without all the flashy stuff...EXACTLY What i was looking ofr |
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| 12:16.58 | skibur | we good vaxerdec |
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| 12:18.52 | vaxerdec | hey yeah this cclive is neat |
| 12:19.24 | vaxerdec | i wonder why youtube-dl is not packaged since it was in squeeze |
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| 12:20.05 | vaxerdec | is it normal for anti-aliased fonts to take up more horizontal space per character? |
| 12:20.11 | twisty-1 | Hi |
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| 12:20.38 | twisty-1 | It's possible / or does it make sense to enable CPU's NX in Debian? |
| 12:21.00 | Arahael | I thought that was a BIOS setting. |
| 12:21.16 | twisty-1 | Yes, i meant BIOS |
| 12:21.41 | Arahael | Apparently it's useful with some VM's. |
| 12:21.42 | twisty-1 | I have seen Debian isn't requiring NX? |
| 12:21.48 | twisty-1 | AH |
| 12:21.50 | vaxerdec | Arahael: yeah but probably compiler and kernel need to support it (although i'm sure they do long ago) or it will break stuff to enable it |
| 12:22.09 | twisty-1 | okay, so i enable it |
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| 12:22.28 | twisty-1 | Thanks |
| 12:22.48 | Arahael | There is apparently an undetectable security vulnerbility with some of those virtualisation options. |
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| 12:23.07 | vaxerdec | Arahael: with NX enabled? or disabled? |
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| 12:23.45 | Arahael | vaxerdec: I can't remember, but it leverages the ability to run hardware virtualisation. |
| 12:24.03 | twisty-1 | I want to use hardware virtualization |
| 12:24.12 | vaxerdec | Arahael: sounds like CPU bug, not respecting NX page bits for VMs or something |
| 12:25.02 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Well, lets consider a concrete example. The CPU microcode - what if something changed that. |
| 12:25.09 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Would an OS neccessarily detect it? |
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| 12:25.35 | vaxerdec | Arahael: the CPU could make microcode changeable only once |
| 12:25.45 | vaxerdec | Arahael: (it probabl doesn't, but that would fix it) |
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| 12:26.31 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Let me try and find a website that talks about the virtualisation issue. |
| 12:27.03 | Arahael | Ah, yep - wikipedia it. :) Name's bluepill |
| 12:27.26 | vaxerdec | Arahael: thanks, tried to find it was not having luck |
| 12:27.50 | vaxerdec | vitriol also |
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| 12:29.15 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Now, that's a tricky word to google. :) |
| 12:29.25 | skibur | Thanks for the help on disabling account access. I did passwd <user> -l and edit the sshd_config file to include "DenyUsers" option. |
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| 12:29.38 | Arahael | skibur: Dont' forget to disable telnet. ;) |
| 12:29.46 | skibur | o yeah |
| 12:29.47 | skibur | lol |
| 12:30.10 | Arahael | skibur: It's _still_ used by many people, don't laugh. |
| 12:30.22 | skibur | I know |
| 12:30.43 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Frankly, I've given up. shellshock made me loose all hope. :) |
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| 12:31.26 | skibur | Have a good one peeps. |
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| 12:32.45 | vaxerdec | Arahael: it's difficult to find what this actually does |
| 12:32.56 | Arahael | vaxerdec: bluepill? |
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| 12:33.13 | vaxerdec | Arahael: it looks like they use priviliged code to tell the bios to turn off nx ? |
| 12:33.32 | Arahael | vaxerdec: I have'nt looked that deeply. |
| 12:34.18 | vaxerdec | Arahael: shellshock wasn't really a big deal except for local users, i thought |
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| 12:34.49 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Ah, no, it was worse. |
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| 12:35.04 | Arahael | vaxerdec: bash is the system shell for many systems - including redhat and mac os x. |
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| 12:35.40 | vaxerdec | Arahael: yes, but it's not getting any input remotely, except if it runs code based on a dhcp option or something |
| 12:35.56 | Arahael | vaxerdec: And if you can do _anything_ to a computer that results in setting an environment variable to something you control, and that service then runs a process, you've owned the machine. |
| 12:35.59 | Phyks | hi, I'm running wheezy and tried to setup Dovecot with Sieve. It seems that the default configuration file has an error, with "process_count" instead of "process_limit", but I'm not exactly sure it's a bug, and don't know where is the best place to report it⦠|
| 12:36.03 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Such as cgi scripts. |
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| 12:36.33 | vaxerdec | Arahael: the old cgi setting env vars and calling fork/exec for every request? how many are using that??? |
| 12:36.52 | vaxerdec | Arahael: just old systems probably unpatched for ages anyways |
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| 12:37.34 | Arahael | vaxerdec: It's an easy example, but another example could be someone running a github service, who isn't expecting to give shell access. |
| 12:37.39 | vaxerdec | Arahael: the ssl one seemed a lot more terrifying to me, shellshock would be very limited, just maybe some proprietary crappy old wifi stuff |
| 12:38.02 | Arahael | As it made opensshd vulnerable. |
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| 12:38.17 | Arahael | (I think) |
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| 12:38.43 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i don't see the vector there, how do they get shell access? where is the env under control of network input? |
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| 12:39.19 | Arahael | vaxerdec: They can set an env varible when logging in using a key. |
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| 12:40.54 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Anyway, the point is: By injecting an environment variable, you could infiltrate any process that ultimately calls bash - directly or indirectly, even if that was to do run a child process. I think the damage on debian was very much reduced though. |
| 12:41.03 | Arahael | As debian moved to dash a while ago. |
| 12:41.22 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i don't really see how that can happen, github is not allowing shell access, only to run certain commands not login shells |
| 12:41.45 | Arahael | vaxerdec: That was enough! |
| 12:42.51 | Arahael | vaxerdec: See 'man ssh' - you'll see it sets environment variables. |
| 12:43.05 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Many programs do someething similar as a basic communication. |
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| 12:43.23 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i find it hard to believe they were allowing arbitrary env set by user for allowed commands, they would surely use PermitUserEnvironment, AcceptEnv, etc |
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| 12:44.23 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Well, yes, but there are 12 that it normally sets. |
| 12:45.13 | Arahael | vaxerdec: And I think home routers were affected, too. |
| 12:45.32 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i think it is in category of worrying about things that don't happen in practice, there is a vector for old sloppy stuff in some ancient proprietary hardware probably, or people that let dhcp clients send a string to insert for dynamic hostname or something, but these are not common cases |
| 12:45.37 | Arahael | vaxerdec: (Thought hat surprises me, surely they weren't using bash, but...) |
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| 12:46.12 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i do think stuff like linksys web interface probably use CGI |
| 12:46.56 | vaxerdec | Arahael: but i doubt even they ship with edge-side web access open |
| 12:47.15 | vaxerdec | Arahael: some businesses might have issue with people on-premise |
| 12:47.42 | vaxerdec | Arahael: or maybe someone watching me say this will root all my systems right now and say, "see?" ;-) |
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| 12:49.44 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Heh. :) I looked for some specific cases where shellshockw as used - I remember watching people doing shellshock scans. But I found that the wikipedia site actually mentions openssh as a particular service affected by it. |
| 12:50.01 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Turns out that if a restricted shell is provided, shellshock allows it to be bypassed by using forcecommand. |
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| 12:51.37 | qjqqyy | Arahael: there was a pretty huge webmin exploit |
| 12:51.56 | qjqqyy | shellshock-based, caught it in a server |
| 12:51.59 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: does webmin use classic CGI? |
| 12:52.20 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: never cared but iirc it's perl so it should be |
| 12:52.46 | Arahael | vaxerdec: system("/your/app/here") <-- calls bash first. |
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| 12:53.06 | qjqqyy | "It looks like the expliot is just the BASH exploit tied together with webmin doing poor validation inside /usr/share/webmin/session_login.cgi." |
| 12:53.18 | qjqqyy | and doesn't system in debian use sh? |
| 12:53.25 | vaxerdec | Arahael: it does look like any env can be used and it doesn't need to source it only just be able to set the env and then when any command at all is executed |
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| 12:53.37 | Arahael | qjqqyy: In debian it uses dash, yeah, but sh is bash on most other systems. |
| 12:53.46 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Exactly. |
| 12:53.47 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i wonder if sshd sets export bit on the variables though |
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| 12:54.00 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Ha. |
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| 12:54.22 | Sayona_ | Hi |
| 12:54.31 | Arahael | vaxerdec: It's all horrible string manipulation. Reading the shellshock patch was awful. The fix was basically disabling some ancient, legacy backwards compatibility hack. |
| 12:54.36 | vaxerdec | Arahael: well, anyone letting people running commands (any commands) should have it done only in container of some sort anyways |
| 12:54.57 | Sayona_ | i want to install video driver in debian x64 ( Geforce 7300 ) can anyone help me? |
| 12:54.58 | vaxerdec | Arahael: well, bash is old |
| 12:55.21 | qjqqyy | well random programs aren't supposed to be launching system shells for every single little task, bash was designed for scripts and interactive use |
| 12:55.32 | vaxerdec | Arahael: i just wonder how many other similar ones people are sitting on and using very carefully when they need to |
| 12:55.54 | vaxerdec | Arahael: there's probably dozens or hundreds, they wait until public discovers then cross off list |
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| 12:56.26 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: yeah but it's very common to use as a wrapper and not run very much but be used to ferry data or run a cleanup |
| 12:56.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sayona_ -about radeon |
| 12:56.45 | Sayona_ | Geforce |
| 12:56.52 | babilen | ah, sorry |
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| 12:57.13 | Arahael | qjqqyy: Or consider running sudo or su, with some of the environment preserved. |
| 12:57.19 | vaxerdec | Arahael: even if dash is used, many (including me) typically make their wrappers with #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh because of all the useful programming shortcuts in bash proper |
| 12:57.27 | babilen | Sayona_: Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 12:57.44 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Makes me extremely paranoid about system scripts! |
| 12:57.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning guys here born a beautiful day ! |
| 12:57.56 | Arahael | vaxerdec: Oops! Midnight! |
| 12:57.59 | Sayona_ | yes babilen i read |
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| 12:58.08 | Arahael | vaxerdec: G'night! |
| 12:58.11 | vaxerdec | Arahael: night |
| 12:58.15 | qjqqyy | btw, zsh shilll here, zsh tab > bash tab |
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| 13:01.32 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: i've been considering zsh for years but never made the plunge, too much stuff i have in bash already, also zsh development kind of looked dead last i checked, basically the code base in maintenance mode since the 1990s |
| 13:01.52 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: if i'm remembering right... |
| 13:02.57 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: development isn't that dead methinks, just can't be bothered to follow new features coming out. but there are a lot of dotfiles available on the nets and stuff |
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| 13:03.20 | qjqqyy | and oh-my-zsh apparently is an easy way to get started but I just copied random stuff into my .zshrc |
| 13:03.36 | bcd | vaxerdec: zsh git repo, last commit: Sun Nov 9 22:06:06 2014 +0100 |
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| 13:04.38 | qjqqyy | all the hippies use it now |
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| 13:05.07 | Iridos | really? all the hipster kiddies used to use it... telling you how much greater than bash it is |
| 13:05.41 | Sayona_ | babilen i install the driver, but now i need to create a xorg? or just restart |
| 13:05.48 | brentaarnold | I'm having an issue communicating with an external fax modem connected through serial in Debian 7.7. Please review my case here: http://paste.debian.net/131059/ |
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| 13:06.19 | vaxerdec | bcd: yes, it's under maintenance though, i remember looking at some old man page and it was unchanged for like a decade or something, it was still current |
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| 13:06.40 | babilen | Sayona_: What exactly did you do? Assuming you followed the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports you would continue with https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure before you restart |
| 13:07.01 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: i'm sure they do, but it doesn't offer much compelling that bash doesn't, some things are quicker, yes |
| 13:07.10 | Sayona_ | babilen yes but not know how to configure xorg |
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| 13:07.42 | babilen | Sayona_: You create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with the listed content |
| 13:07.43 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: it's better, but not sure it's worth the effort, especially to change my many thousands of lines of shell functions and ~/bin/ |
| 13:07.52 | babilen | (or run the command given there) |
| 13:08.12 | babilen | Sayona_: Did you read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure ? If so: What is unclear there? |
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| 13:08.28 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: it should be compatible unless your stuff is hardcore bashmode, and can't live without http://puu.sh/cKW5e/efb906fc31.png now |
| 13:08.37 | Sayona_ | babilen, the xorg file |
| 13:08.47 | vaxerdec | bcd: it might have changed since i last looked which was a few years ago. there is too much software that is "trendy" now and people only use it for that reason |
| 13:09.31 | Iridos | vaxerdec, it tries to be better... not sure it succeeds |
| 13:09.33 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: my stuff is very much, i use all the features as soon as they are released |
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| 13:10.03 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: then probably not worth switching and stuff, my bashrc was pretty much stock when I hopped |
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| 13:10.22 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: most people have no idea that bash supports associative arrays, regular expression substring matches and lots of stuff without having to exec() at all |
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| 13:11.31 | qjqqyy | well vaxerdec from an interactive perspective the ability to mash tab and be spoonfed is good for me :> |
| 13:11.46 | babilen | Sayona_: What do you mean by "the xorg file" ? |
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| 13:12.05 | babilen | Sayona_: The file is given there in its entirety along with a command to create it. What more do you need? |
| 13:12.17 | babilen | s/a command/two commands/ |
| 13:12.44 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: you mean the completion? bash has all that just different implementation. i'll agree that zsh completion is a lot easier and cleaner though, it is the most compelling feature. but all doable in bash |
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| 13:14.35 | Punisher28 | hola |
| 13:14.40 | Punisher28 | buenas tardes a todos |
| 13:15.07 | Punisher28 | llevo un par de años usando linux y soy bastante novatillo |
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| 13:15.16 | Punisher28 | podriais echarme una mano? |
| 13:15.45 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: i think the real quantum link would be to move to a pure hll repl for the interactive shell, such as irb or ipython |
| 13:15.52 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: quantum leap rather |
| 13:16.12 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: actually fish looks intersting |
| 13:16.15 | Sayona_ | babilen, thanks |
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| 13:16.36 | babilen | Sayona_: Did that work? |
| 13:16.46 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: yeah, i saw that, but it looks too "simple" more like it is trying to dump down instead of expose more. but i didn't give it a thorough look, maybe i will check it out again |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | Punisher28: English here please |
| 13:16.56 | vaxerdec | s/dump/dumb/ |
| 13:17.04 | Punisher28 | ok thanks |
| 13:17.11 | qjqqyy | and final term looks kinda promising too |
| 13:17.27 | Sayona_ | babilen, no X no start anymore |
| 13:18.02 | Punisher28 | can someone help? |
| 13:18.06 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: interesting, looks too integrated though |
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| 13:18.12 | Punisher28 | i newbie to linux |
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| 13:18.25 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: i like small tools combined rather than all-in-one type of model. both are valid approaches |
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| 13:18.38 | vaxerdec | Punisher28: help with what? |
| 13:18.48 | Punisher28 | i surfing to hispano |
| 13:19.02 | Punisher28 | the program hexchat close |
| 13:19.19 | qjqqyy | vaxerdec: agreed though it looks like some windows app i.e. mobaxterm |
| 13:19.20 | vaxerdec | Punisher28: i don't understand what that means |
| 13:19.25 | Punisher28 | strangly |
| 13:19.33 | Punisher28 | in my file sys.log |
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| 13:19.59 | vaxerdec | Punisher28: error: -ENOPARSE |
| 13:20.07 | Punisher28 | i see succes very strange |
| 13:20.24 | Sayona_ | :(((((((((((( |
| 13:20.49 | Punisher28 | (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime)) |
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| 13:21.10 | vaxerdec | qjqqyy: i like a terminal to be a terminal and not anything else |
| 13:21.14 | lasdam | I have this problem: when I remove certain packages, like say alsa-base, with apt-get, it tells me gnome, gnome-core and other critical packages will get removed along with it. how can I avoid this? |
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| 13:22.59 | vaxerdec | lasdam: yeah looks like gstreamer uses alsa-base |
| 13:23.21 | vaxerdec | lasdam: apt-cache showpkg alsa-base |
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| 13:24.20 | vaxerdec | Punisher28: your statements appear random and unrelated |
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| 13:25.19 | koolfy | is there absolutely no way of having the Dpkg::Options:: "--force-confold"; option active only for an unattended-upgrade execution, and not for any apt-dpkg operation ever ? |
| 13:25.21 | lasdam | vaxerdec: I actually realized pulseaudio is the package that insists on removing gnome with it. is there no way to disable this behavior? it's happened to me before that I remove some seemingly innocent package, and suddenly not only gnome, but half of the OS is deleted :P |
| 13:25.24 | koolfy | it's very frustrating |
| 13:25.29 | babilen | Sayona_: So, what did you do? Could you move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf out of the way and restart? Which commands did you use? |
| 13:26.03 | koolfy | if I set it is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50-unattended_upgrades it's set forever and for any dpkg operation |
| 13:26.03 | Sayona_ | i did: nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:26.05 | Sayona_ | and restart |
| 13:26.10 | vaxerdec | lasdam: i use alsa, i can't stand pulse |
| 13:26.28 | babilen | Sayona_: No! You should not have done that. I did not tell you to use that. Why did you think that was a good idea? |
| 13:26.40 | Sayona_ | :(( |
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| 13:27.11 | babilen | Sayona_: You simply run the two commands in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file. That is all you need. |
| 13:27.24 | petn-randall | koolfy: What are you trying to achieve? unattended-upgrades should preserve your old config by default. |
| 13:27.46 | babilen | Sayona_: Anyway, please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net . You can use pastebinit for that by running "apt-get install pastebinit ; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 13:27.57 | koolfy | petn-randall: it blacklists any package having the potential to modify any conffiles |
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| 13:28.05 | babilen | Sayona_: Which instructions did you follow on the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports ? |
| 13:28.11 | Sayona_ | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 13:28.16 | Sayona_ | echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 13:28.21 | babilen | yes, those two |
| 13:28.23 | Sayona_ | i press this now |
| 13:28.27 | Sayona_ | and reboot? |
| 13:28.29 | koolfy | the only way to carry them out is to activate this "preference" in 50-unattended-upgrades, but then it affects any dpkg operation... |
| 13:28.36 | Punisher28 | someone help-me to stop attack to my computer |
| 13:28.39 | Punisher28 | ? |
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| 13:28.49 | babilen | Okay, you will probably have to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf which was created by nvidia-xconfig. But please answer my questions first. |
| 13:29.05 | Punisher28 | someone into ssh to my computer |
| 13:29.13 | lasdam | vaxerdec: my question is about apt-get and dependencies though. is there no way to avoid (automatically) removing supposed dependencies while deleting packages? say I want to re-install g++ or something and it tells me half of the packages in my OS will also be removed... is there a way I can disable that behavior, so that I only re-install g++? |
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| 13:30.02 | vaxerdec | lasdam: if you don't then the referential integrity of the dependencies will be corrupted. a dependency is a dependency. you can force it to ignore dependencies if you want |
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| 13:31.13 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131121/ |
| 13:31.16 | vaxerdec | lasdam: i think if you stage a bunch of operations because you "know" better what your end goal is, then hold off execution, it probably works (using aptitude) but i don't know it that well to know |
| 13:32.15 | lasdam | vaxerdec: I'm not sure what that means. hold off execution? |
| 13:32.43 | vaxerdec | lasdam: like, you set all the stuff you want, then say "go" |
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| 13:33.14 | vaxerdec | lasdam: afaik aptitude has that capability. i've never used it |
| 13:33.28 | lasdam | vaxerdec: alright, thanks (: |
| 13:33.30 | Sayona_ | badiane not work |
| 13:33.30 | vaxerdec | lasdam: like you can stage the intermediary steps |
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| 13:34.01 | vaxerdec | lasdam: as long as the end point is consistent you should be able to. i'm sort of curious about it too |
| 13:34.10 | Sayona_ | why is so dificult to install nvidia driver! |
| 13:34.10 | babilen | Sayona_: Thank you. It looks as if you did not compile the nvidia module successfully. Which instructions did you follow? |
| 13:34.36 | vaxerdec | koolfy: so, you want to activate an option only in the presence of another option? |
| 13:34.47 | Sayona_ | babilen i remove debian! |
| 13:34.52 | babilen | Sayona_: Why? |
| 13:35.09 | vaxerdec | Sayona_: nvidia is proprietary, ask nvidia |
| 13:35.12 | koolfy | vaxerdec: no, I want to, for example, only enable it for the context of the unattended-upgrades script |
| 13:35.16 | petn-randall | koolfy: I think the way to go would be to set an environment var that forces that behaviour and run it via cron. |
| 13:35.17 | Sayona_ | is so dificult to install drivers |
| 13:35.27 | vaxerdec | Sayona_: use ubuntu for proprietary stuff maybe |
| 13:35.27 | babilen | Sayona_: It isn't complicated, but I have no idea what you've done. |
| 13:35.40 | koolfy | if it were an env variable it'd be very easy :) but I have to deal with "nothing or everything" dpkg options. |
| 13:35.43 | babilen | Sayona_: But feel free to use a different distribution, it is your system after all. |
| 13:35.45 | Sayona_ | remove debian and install again |
| 13:35.56 | vaxerdec | Sayona_: debian tends to not work with proprietary stuff without fiddling |
| 13:36.10 | petn-randall | vaxerdec: It works fine on stable. |
| 13:36.24 | phre4k | I want TigerVNC to be in Debian, there are already semi-official packages (so the DEB is pretty much finished), how do I propose the package? Do I make myself a maintainer? |
| 13:36.41 | babilen | Sayona_: No, just "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and restart should get you Xorg back. You can then *show me* what you've done and paste the entire output of the installation run to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:36.54 | vaxerdec | petn-randall: it might, but i don't think supporting proprietary hardware and software is anything more than coincidental, it's against the entire ethos of debian |
| 13:36.56 | koolfy | petn-randall: unattended-upgrades doesn't pass the options to dpkg, and "configures" that behaviour trough... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, which is "universal" and will set the option for the entire system, not just the unattended-upgrades run. |
| 13:37.18 | Sayona_ | babilen let me try |
| 13:37.29 | vaxerdec | petn-randall: that's the whole reason the driver doesn't "just work" in the first place and isn't part of the kernel |
| 13:37.45 | petn-randall | koolfy: I see your point. |
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| 13:38.17 | vaxerdec | koolfy: right, which sets other options. so you do just want to set an option when some other options are set. just make a wrapper |
| 13:38.23 | petn-randall | vaxerdec: I'm pretty sure the non-free package wouldn't have made it to stable if it was broken. |
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| 13:39.37 | vaxerdec | petn-randall: i just think the vendor is to blame, they are the ones making proprietary hardware that is more difficult to support and integrate, especially on volunteer basis. i would not spend time on it because that is nvidia problem not debian |
| 13:39.47 | koolfy | vaxerdec: a wrapper around what, then ? I don't intend on changing the unattended-upgrades "binary" (shell script) and a wrapper around unattended-upgrades in cron would do no good as I need to set that option deeper |
| 13:40.17 | tomivs | Hi, I have a new computer |
| 13:40.33 | Sayona_ | babilen, run the interface now, what i need to do now? |
| 13:40.54 | petn-randall | koolfy: You can always put wrap to move commands around the unattended-upgrades cron job; one to move the config file in place, and another one to rename it again. |
| 13:40.55 | tomivs | i7, 1 TB HDD, 32 GB SSD, 8 GB RAM |
| 13:41.04 | tomivs | How to partition it? |
| 13:41.17 | vaxerdec | koolfy: you may have to reimplement unattended-upgrades (copy and modify it), but there could be a way in apt config, it seems rather murky to me but there's a lot there. i guess that's why you asked :-) |
| 13:41.23 | babilen | Sayona_: Ah, the problem is *not* your configuration, but that you installed the wrong driver. For your legacy card you require the 304.xx driver rather than the latest one. Please remove backports and then run "apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 13:41.28 | koolfy | petn-randall: yeah, I see. That's what I was going to try next, but it's incredibly ugly... |
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| 13:41.36 | petn-randall | tomivs: It depends on what you want to do, what you want to achieve, and what your tastes are :) |
| 13:41.46 | koolfy | thanks, I'll try all that |
| 13:41.56 | vaxerdec | koolfy: agreed, ugly |
| 13:42.06 | vaxerdec | koolfy: mayby set env var to force a certain config file? |
| 13:42.14 | vaxerdec | koolfy: rather than doing filesystem operations |
| 13:42.39 | Sayona_ | dear babilen, i purge that. now? |
| 13:42.44 | babilen | Sayona_: Could you show me the output of that and that of "aptitude search '~i~nnvidia'" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:43.09 | babilen | Sayona_: Sorry, I should have double checked that your card is supported before suggesting the backported driver. |
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| 13:43.33 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://pastebin.com/mJQCevRQ |
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| 13:44.54 | babilen | Sayona_: Okay, please also run "aptitude purge '~i~nnvidia' and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:45.41 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://pastebin.com/F0R60Ctw |
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| 13:45.59 | Sayona_ | Y? |
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| 13:49.10 | babilen | Sayona_: I guess |
| 13:49.29 | ikonia | isn't it just a case of pointing it at the module ? |
| 13:49.35 | ikonia | it still uses modules right ? |
| 13:49.49 | Sayona_ | babilen, next? |
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| 13:50.22 | babilen | Sayona_: You've done that? And could you please use http://paste.debian.net (or http://refheap.com or http://bpaste.net or http://paste.ubuntu.net or ...) and not pastebin.com please? |
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| 13:51.51 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131126/ |
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| 13:52.27 | babilen | Sayona_: Okay, great. Please run "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms" now and show me the output of that. |
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| 13:53.15 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131127/ i press Y? |
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| 13:53.32 | babilen | Sayona_: yeah |
| 13:54.46 | Sayona_ | babilen, next? |
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| 13:55.45 | babilen | Sayona_: May I see the output of that? |
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| 13:57.26 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131129/ |
| 13:58.05 | babilen | ah, shit |
| 13:58.30 | Sayona_ | ? |
| 13:58.53 | babilen | Sayona_: It installed the backported version again (as opposed to the 304.* one we need from wheezy) |
| 13:59.05 | oxodesign | can someone please help me with this: http://pastebin.com/2NKw550a start a service with another user then "root" |
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| 13:59.28 | Sayona_ | babilen i have backgported in sourcelist |
| 13:59.47 | babilen | Sayona_: Could you purge that again (aptitude purge '~i~nnvidia') and then show me the output of "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" ? |
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| 14:00.43 | Metachr0n | exodesign: ls -l /etc/init.d/orientdb.sh |
| 14:00.44 | Sayona_ | http://paste.debian.net/131130/ |
| 14:00.48 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131130/ |
| 14:01.19 | babilen | Sayona_: That's not what I intended. Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-get update" ? |
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| 14:01.24 | Sayona_ | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:01.29 | Sayona_ | i have this |
| 14:01.31 | Sayona_ | i remove? |
| 14:01.34 | Metachr0n | also ... you will need a shell to run something |
| 14:01.37 | babilen | Sayona_: Oh, you *only* have that? |
| 14:01.49 | Sayona_ | no |
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| 14:01.53 | Metachr0n | no |
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| 14:02.08 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131133/ |
| 14:03.37 | babilen | Sayona_: Ah! Okay, could you use http://paste.debian.net/131134/ and then run "apt-get update" and then "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" again? |
| 14:03.49 | babilen | Sayona_: Sorry, this could have been much easier. |
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| 14:05.00 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131135/ |
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| 14:05.28 | babilen | Sayona_: Ah, that looks better. What does "apt-cache policy nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" give you? |
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| 14:06.06 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131137/ |
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| 14:07.00 | babilen | Sayona_: Okay, to explain: Your card is not supported by drivers newer than 304.*. That version is the version in Debian stable/wheezy and you could, therefore, have just installed that. I asked you to install a newer version (319) from wheezy backports. |
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| 14:08.01 | Sayona_ | how i install that ? |
| 14:08.15 | babilen | Sayona_: You will, however, want to keep on using the 304 version. That version is packaged in newer versions of Debian as nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (as opposed to nvidia-kernel-dkms) -- My recommendation would be to use "aptitude -t wheezy-backports -r install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" -- Please paste the output of that too. |
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| 14:09.17 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131138/ |
| 14:09.18 | Sayona_ | Y? |
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| 14:12.25 | babilen | Sayona_: yes |
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| 14:15.46 | Sayona_ | now i reboot |
| 14:15.59 | Sayona_ | but stil black screen |
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| 14:16.42 | Sayona_ | babilen, not start the interface... |
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| 14:20.08 | ghormoon | hi, what I need except update-grub to fix grub.cfg? it still keeps previous kernel version and it's annoying to fix each boot :D |
| 14:20.44 | babilen | Sayona_: Oh, did it compile the interface successfully and did you recreate the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file? |
| 14:20.54 | ghormoon | menu.lst is updated, but grub.cfg not :-/ |
| 14:21.41 | heurist | ghormoon: update-grub2 maybe? |
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| 14:21.52 | babilen | Sayona_: Sorry, I was waiting for the paste with the output. What does "dkms status" give you? |
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| 14:23.03 | ghormoon | heurist: nope, still only old kernel in grub.cfg, I think it doesn't know it has the new kernel in place :-/ |
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| 14:24.05 | Sayona_ | babilen, ok the interface run, how i see if nvidia driver are installed? |
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| 14:24.25 | Sayona_ | nvidia-legacy-304xx, 304.123, 3.2.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed |
| 14:24.31 | Sayona_ | nice |
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| 14:24.56 | babilen | Looks good, could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log again? |
| 14:24.59 | ghormoon | ha, found "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" on the net and it seems it worked (at least I can grep the kernel version out of the config, gonna reboot to try) |
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| 14:25.15 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 1438 Nov 7 02:32 /etc/init.d/orientdb.sh |
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| 14:25.35 | zoxan | ghormoon: I would also advise a grub-install /dev/sdX since menu.lst does not belong to GRUB2 |
| 14:25.45 | Metachr0n | as you see it is owned by root and has the group root |
| 14:26.04 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: its not the case because I have changed that back to root for now |
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| 14:26.36 | Metachr0n | chown orientdb:orientdb /etc/init.d/orientdb.sh |
| 14:26.45 | Sayona_ | babilen, 2 s |
| 14:26.49 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: |
| 14:26.51 | ghormoon | zoxan: well during boot it did say 2.something on the top ... strange :) |
| 14:26.55 | oxodesign | one min |
| 14:27.13 | babilen | Sayona_: sure, no rush |
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| 14:28.09 | Sayona_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/131139/ |
| 14:28.12 | Sayona_ | is big :P |
| 14:28.49 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: here the permissions now: -rwxr-xr-- 1 orientdb orientdb 1438 Nov 7 02:32 /etc/init.d/orientdb.sh |
| 14:29.06 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: but when I try to run the service nothing happens |
| 14:29.10 | babilen | Sayona_: Looks great, are the resolutions correct? Is it working as you want it now? |
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| 14:29.42 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: what are the contents of orientdb.sh |
| 14:29.47 | Sayona_ | babilen, yessss |
| 14:29.50 | Sayona_ | :************** |
| 14:29.53 | Sayona_ | big kiss |
| 14:30.08 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: Starting OrientDB server daemon... |
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| 14:30.27 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: cat /etc/init.d/orientdb.sh |
| 14:30.27 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: but when I check the status the daemon is not running |
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| 14:30.33 | Sayona_ | babilen, can I disable to never hibernate or standby? becoue i use this linux as server |
| 14:30.37 | Metachr0n | that was my question :D |
| 14:30.38 | Metachr0n | sorry |
| 14:30.42 | babilen | Sayona_: Wonderful, enjoy! (and sorry for not checking exact driver support earlier) |
| 14:31.04 | babilen | Sayona_: You would simply never hibernate the box, it doesn't to that automatically. |
| 14:31.36 | Sayona_ | thanks |
| 14:31.37 | Sayona_ | :* |
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| 14:32.08 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: here is the orientdb.sh script: http://pastebin.com/QuTaKNEm (I changed the ORIENTDB_USER to "orientdb" |
| 14:32.40 | Metachr0n | this may be a clue |
| 14:32.42 | Metachr0n | ORIENTDB_USER="root" |
| 14:33.01 | oxodesign | as said I have changed that to "orientdb" |
| 14:33.04 | Metachr0n | aha |
| 14:33.06 | Metachr0n | ok |
| 14:33.21 | oxodesign | but I uploaded that before |
| 14:34.03 | Metachr0n | yep |
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| 14:34.25 | Metachr0n | "/opt/orientdb/server.sh" |
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| 14:34.52 | Sayona_ | babilen, what is the best way to mount a ntfs hdd extern on debian? becouse give me: unprivilenge user con not mount ntfs ... |
| 14:35.23 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: perhaps running the script as root and then executing the important bits as the mortal user might be a better solution |
| 14:35.37 | Sayona_ | babilen with /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 14:35.51 | Metachr0n | which |
| 14:35.55 | Metachr0n | is what the script is intended to do |
| 14:35.57 | Metachr0n | u $ORIENTDB_USER -c "cd \"$ORIENTDB_DIR/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &" |
| 14:36.04 | Metachr0n | the su bit there |
| 14:36.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sayona_ about user accessible ntfs |
| 14:36.18 | Metachr0n | 'su $ORIENTDB_USER -c "cd \"$ORIENTDB_DIR/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &"' |
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| 14:36.22 | worker123 | hi |
| 14:36.25 | rgr | mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs ? |
| 14:36.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sayona_ -about ntfs-3g |
| 14:36.38 | Sayona_ | thanks |
| 14:36.43 | babilen | Sayona_: But I haven't touched that in ages. Please ask somebody else about it .. |
| 14:36.53 | Metachr0n | so if you have changed the 'ORIENTDB_USER' to the correct one you should then execute that script as root |
| 14:37.01 | Metachr0n | as with most init scripts |
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| 14:37.20 | Sayona_ | work nice with /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 14:37.26 | oxodesign | and in this case the correct one is "orientdb"? right? |
| 14:37.46 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: when you run it as root and it starts, do this |
| 14:38.10 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: ps auwxf | grep -i orient | grep -v grep |
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| 14:38.16 | Metachr0n | and paste that somewhere |
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| 14:39.04 | Metachr0n | it should be running as the user which you have defined in the script and if yes its fine |
| 14:39.10 | babilen | Sayona_: While you are at it, do you have an Intel or AMD processor? |
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| 14:39.41 | worker123 | I am running a machine with Debian Wheezy. We have been experiencing issues like connections dropping under heavy network traffic volumes. I did not see anything suspicious in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log. However, one of our network administrators suggested increasing the kernel tcp memory value. This seems to have resolved the issue, but I cannot be sure whether it is simply a coincidence. cat /proc/net/sockstat shows that the machine is nowhere near |
| 14:39.43 | worker123 | the TCP memory or max orphan parameters. How can I be sure too little TCP memory is what caused the issue ? |
| 14:39.50 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: here: http://pastebin.com/FWzvBbPG |
| 14:40.00 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 14:40.00 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:40.21 | babilen | Join the blue ribbon campaign for better paste sites! |
| 14:40.27 | oxodesign | babilen: okey |
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| 14:41.13 | jelly-home | ABP deals with those ads efficiently |
| 14:41.37 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: so stop it, check the PID and kill it if you need to and then start it again and see if its still root |
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| 14:42.12 | Metachr0n | make sure that you have changed this though |
| 14:42.13 | Metachr0n | ORIENTDB_USER="root" |
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| 14:43.21 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: |
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| 14:44.20 | oxodesign | I stopped the script, checked if it is still running (it wan't), changed ORIENTDB_USER to "orientdb" saved and started the script again |
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| 14:44.33 | oxodesign | Got this on the console: Starting OrientDB server daemon... |
| 14:44.54 | Metachr0n | and is it running as that user now? |
| 14:44.58 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: but when I run your cmd again, nothing happens |
| 14:45.15 | Metachr0n | ps -ef | grep -i orient | grep -v grep |
| 14:45.18 | Metachr0n | nothing? |
| 14:45.19 | oxodesign | and if I check the status it says that the daemon is not running |
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| 14:45.30 | oxodesign | nothing |
| 14:45.35 | Metachr0n | so you should open more than one shell |
| 14:45.37 | Metachr0n | as root |
| 14:45.40 | Metachr0n | tail -f on your logs |
| 14:45.45 | Metachr0n | and run the script |
| 14:45.49 | Metachr0n | see whats happening |
| 14:45.52 | oxodesign | ok |
| 14:45.54 | oxodesign | one min |
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| 14:46.57 | oxodesign | when U say "tail -f on my logs" I need some more help here, im new to Debian(linux) |
| 14:47.06 | oxodesign | the logs under var or the logs under orientdb? |
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| 14:48.00 | worker123 | does anyone know of the most appropriate channel to ask my question ? |
| 14:48.32 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: ^ |
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| 14:49.32 | Metachr0n | tail -f /var/log/messages ( for example ) |
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| 14:49.56 | Metachr0n | i assume by the script that you've used cat brain.stuff as a template for this install |
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| 14:51.37 | Metachr0n | oxodesign: i have to run for a bit ... i will be back in about 1 hour |
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| 14:53.48 | Tobias_DE_EN | Hello there. I have SHIBOLEET question. I need to configure sudo in that manner that the apche server is allowd to restart a another server, namely icinga. So far I had no look, because sudo insists on having a tty terminal. |
| 14:54.04 | oxodesign | Metachr0n: okey |
| 14:54.12 | oxodesign | thanks for the help so far |
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| 14:55.29 | Bierdieb | may someone have a look pls http://pastebin.com/YN7nGBiA . I want to upgrade to jessie from debian7.x with gnome desktop. is the pasted (2nd half) the correct entries in the sources.list then? should i change something else to migrate to jessie? |
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| 14:56.47 | nkuttler | !tell Bierdieb about jessie sources.list |
| 14:57.05 | Kritz | Hi! I added the Dotdeb repo and I'm trying to install redis-server from the original Debian repo. But I get strange results as I try to pin redis-server from Dotdeb with a lower priority. http://pastebin.com/7TLaZqD0 Any idea? |
| 14:57.44 | nkuttler | !tell Kritz about dotdeb |
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| 14:59.41 | Kritz | nkuttler: I donât think this is a Dotdeb issue, but just me not understanding whatâs happening with the pinning, so this was not very helpful |
| 14:59.47 | Tobias_DE_EN | @Bierdieb line 11 and 12 will do. jessie is yet not maintained by sec-team, so disable it. the same goes for jessie-updates |
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| 15:00.02 | nkuttler | Kritz: dotdeb is not supported at all here |
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| 15:00.18 | Kritz | But pinning is? |
| 15:00.58 | topi` | does systemd disable /etc/inittab? I lost my console after installing modemmanager (which pulls systemd with it) .. on jessie |
| 15:00.59 | nkuttler | Kritz: for stable? not really, no |
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| 15:01.39 | rgr | topi`: what console? Ctl-alt one? No. |
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| 15:02.04 | topi` | yeah, the normal tty1..n consoles behind the X |
| 15:02.08 | rgr | can you imagine the uproar if you lost that. I moved over seemlessly. |
| 15:02.09 | topi` | (I have no X setup at all) |
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| 15:02.38 | rgr | behind the X and you have no x set up? You've lost me. I use X with systemd and consoles are still there. |
| 15:02.59 | nkuttler | pretty sure systemd uses no inittab |
| 15:03.01 | topi` | I disabled X because of a system crash (probably driver issue) |
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| 15:03.17 | topi` | nkuttler: yeah, I'm researching getty@tty.service and it probes /dev/tty0 |
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| 15:04.15 | topi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.25 | topi` | systemctl *thinks* it's enabled... hmm |
| 15:04.43 | topi` | but the only console I see is the serial-getty |
| 15:05.05 | phre4k | which is the best image to install Debian XFCE? |
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| 15:05.14 | phre4k | the Debian Live XFCE? |
| 15:05.31 | usr3 | hi all. just installed jessie and it's great. question about sound volumne. after the install sound was working fine, i guess the drivers are alreay in the kernel. problem is, after reboot the volumne is muted and i have to turn it up. anyway to have the volmne set at 50% or so at bootup? |
| 15:05.50 | mtn | phre4k: I would say the netinstall and use the expert install to choose xfce |
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| 15:06.27 | nkuttler | usr3: how do you turn up the volume? |
| 15:06.45 | topi` | networking target seems to wait for 2 minutes before system boot continues... grr. how do I adjust the timeout? |
| 15:06.52 | phre4k | mtn: I have a lot of PCs to install, netinstall would be a bit slow |
| 15:06.53 | usr3 | i run mplayer on an mp3 and press the 9 key. lol |
| 15:07.00 | phre4k | also, some of them may not have a working internet connection. |
| 15:07.10 | phre4k | Aren't there 7.7 live CDs? I only found 7.6 |
| 15:07.25 | mtn | phre4k: all good things to put in your original question, yes? |
| 15:07.27 | topi` | it seems systemd is just running /etc/init.d/networking ... |
| 15:07.30 | phre4k | mtn: sry |
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| 15:12.26 | nkuttler | usr3: well, it would be good to know what kind of sound setup you have. e.g. pulseaudio, alsa, etc |
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| 15:14.01 | usr3 | nkuttler: yeah, all i really know is that I didn't install alsamixer or any other sound driver. i assumed jessie had it built in. i was thinking of installing alsamixer but was worried that it would break something |
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| 15:14.46 | nkuttler | usr3: ps auxw | grep pulse ? |
| 15:14.47 | usr3 | is there a basic volumne control for xwindows? |
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| 15:15.22 | nkuttler | usr3: plenty |
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| 15:16.13 | usr3 | usr3 1649 0.0 0.0 12716 2204 pts/2 S+ 07:15 0:00 grep pulse |
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| 15:16.44 | Roland- | hello debian ninjas |
| 15:17.01 | Roland- | any idea why I cannot ping own interface? |
| 15:17.22 | grosjean | ? |
| 15:17.27 | grosjean | Roland-: can you elaborate ? |
| 15:17.39 | Roland- | well I have more interfaces like eth0 eth1 |
| 15:17.43 | nkuttler | usr3: looks like you have no pulseaudio. good for you i guess |
| 15:17.50 | Roland- | I cannot ping the ip from the actual box |
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| 15:17.52 | mtn | usr3: do you have alsa-tools installed? |
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| 15:18.01 | nkuttler | usr3: i'd probably run alsa-mixer now if i were you |
| 15:18.08 | nkuttler | er, alsamixer |
| 15:18.27 | nkuttler | though alsa has always preserved the volume for me.. |
| 15:18.33 | usr3 | mtn: no i don't have alsa-tools. that would give me a ncurses volumne control? |
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| 15:18.51 | grosjean | Roland-: from one host you can't ping another host ? |
| 15:18.54 | mtn | usr3: it will remember your volume settings during reboots |
| 15:19.11 | usr3 | mtn: ah, cool thanks I'll try that |
| 15:19.19 | Roland- | https://dpaste.de/9iZR |
| 15:19.23 | Roland- | no iptables rules. |
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| 15:21.08 | grosjean | Roland-: ping localhost is ok? |
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| 15:21.58 | Roland- | hm cannot ping localhost as well |
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| 15:22.51 | rozie | Roland-: is lo iface up? |
| 15:23.00 | petn-randall | Roland-: Can you paste the actual output of 'ping localhost'? |
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| 15:23.39 | Roland- | ah |
| 15:23.42 | Roland- | I found the issue |
| 15:23.48 | Roland- | the interface is not broght up |
| 15:23.59 | petn-randall | Glad we could help :) |
| 15:24.05 | grosjean | :) |
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| 15:25.05 | Roland- | it is in auto |
| 15:25.08 | Roland- | auto lo eth0 etc |
| 15:25.15 | Roland- | so why is not up |
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| 15:25.50 | grosjean | auto lo |
| 15:25.52 | grosjean | iface lo inet loopback |
| 15:26.09 | grosjean | this come with default configuration |
| 15:26.44 | Roland- | i see |
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| 15:28.55 | Roland- | ok works thank you |
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| 15:29.22 | grosjean | :) |
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| 15:55.14 | Tobias_DE_EN | I need to allow apache webserver to allow to another server. Anybody an idea how to accomplish that? |
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| 15:55.59 | Marcel-Maze7 | dont understand what you do exactly |
| 15:56.16 | Marcel-Maze7 | what the webserver should do at the other server? |
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| 15:56.23 | ChrisH | Tobias_DE_EN: please rephrase it. I canot underastand it, too. |
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| 15:56.55 | Marcel-Maze7 | Tobias. Du kannst mich privat anschreiben, evt fällt es dir auf deutsch einfacher |
| 15:57.47 | petn-randall | In general, it's a good idea to keep it on the channel, so several people can contribute to solving the problem. If you prefer german, you can always head off to #debian-de. |
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| 15:58.26 | Marcel-Maze7 | Sorry, i only tell him that he could write me a private message. May it easyer for him to write in german |
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| 16:25.59 | alouiii | hi all, i am looking for a way to get thread id from the opaque type pthread_t ?? any idea |
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| 16:32.38 | astings | Guys i need help |
| 16:32.52 | astings | 0 ad no run in fedora 20 heisenbug |
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| 16:33.05 | astings | how resolve this problem? |
| 16:33.34 | ChrisH | eg. /join #fedora ? |
| 16:33.47 | zumbi | dpkg: tell astings about fedora |
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| 16:34.42 | astings | yes 0 ad is not run in fedora 20 |
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| 16:37.08 | ChrisH | What is "0 ad"? and fedora != Debian |
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| 16:51.25 | tormen | HI. Is there any way to avoid having a UDP port LISTEN client-side on an outgoing openvpn connection ? ... It seems strange that the client listens as I am mostly anyways NAT'ed there is no use in this ... |
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| 16:55.34 | Maze7 | i dont work with openvpn before but iptables can block the ports if you configure it |
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| 16:59.28 | ChrisH | tormen: I am not sure about your question. I understood you do not want OpenVPN (as client) not to listen to incoming UDP packets? |
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| 17:00.16 | pce | centos |
| 17:00.23 | pce | sry |
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| 17:05.31 | Hercules | how to install pkg-config threw apt ? |
| 17:05.47 | Maze7 | you mean dpkg? |
| 17:05.58 | Hercules | idk |
| 17:06.06 | Hercules | a thing is asking for pkg-config |
| 17:06.52 | babilen | Hercules: "a thing" ? |
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| 17:07.38 | babilen | And you would install that like any other package too: "apt-get install pkg-config" |
| 17:07.43 | Hercules | ok |
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| 17:09.41 | Gregor3000 | hello does mailx need another email account (outsidesmtp) in order to send messages to email addresses? does it need a domain (e.g. example.com)? |
| 17:09.47 | Hercules | thnx |
| 17:09.49 | Hercules | it workded |
| 17:09.52 | Hercules | woked* |
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| 17:10.08 | babilen | Always good when "a thing woked" |
| 17:10.12 | Bierdieb | http://pastebin.com/XgMKHpyv one knows what to do? |
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| 17:10.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bierdieb -about pastebin.com |
| 17:11.35 | ChrisH | Gregor3000: mailx is a MUA and it needs a MTA (Mail User Agent vs. Mail Transport Agen) does that answer your question? |
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| 17:12.42 | Bierdieb | lol same thing http://paste.debian.net/131161/ |
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| 17:14.05 | babilen | judd: v install-info |
| 17:14.06 | judd | Package: install-info on i386 -- squeeze: 4.13a.dfsg.1-6; wheezy: 4.13a.dfsg.1-10; jessie: 5.2.0.dfsg.1-5; sid: 5.2.0.dfsg.1-5 |
| 17:15.31 | babilen | Bierdieb: Looks as if you are looking for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- Did you check the BTS already? |
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| 17:18.46 | Gregor3000 | ChrisH aha mailx is a client and like other emial clients needs to be setup to access a mail server form where the messgae will be send. did i understand this correctly? if so i read how to setup mail.rc, but the config file is a text file, wouldn't this mean that passwords i sout in the open? |
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| 17:19.34 | Bierdieb | bts? something for dpkg? |
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| 17:19.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bierdieb about bts |
| 17:20.32 | Gregor3000 | i just need a simple text message to my email saying all is fine or somethin went bad on server etc. |
| 17:21.59 | ChrisH | Gregor3000: do you have a mailserver somewhere? If yes, eg. install exim and choose smarthost setup. then date | mailx -c -s "test " someone@somedomain.tld should prove its working. |
| 17:22.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gregor3000 -about ssmtp |
| 17:22.35 | babilen | (in case you don't want to configure something 'complicated' like postfix on your box and and sent everything to a smarthost anyway) |
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| 17:30.17 | Gregor3000 | i don't have a mail server but i was thinkin gof just using my email account at the ISP. Debian server is private server on my LAN. and what i want is for it to send me certian text messages. eg on automatic update etc. |
| 17:30.37 | Gregor3000 | exim is a server as i read. |
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| 17:30.59 | Gregor3000 | would i still need that to send an email form server to gmail for example? |
| 17:31.02 | Gregor3000 | from |
| 17:31.35 | Gregor3000 | for example i was reading this tutorial: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=103322 but i do not understand why is thunderbird in here. |
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| 17:31.56 | Gregor3000 | funny thoguh that mailx doesn't give any errors. :-) |
| 17:32.22 | babilen | Gregor3000: Yes, that would be called a "smarthost" and you can either use ssmtp or configure, say, exim to sent your mail to one. |
| 17:32.35 | nkuttler | ssmtp++ |
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| 17:33.26 | Gregor3000 | ok reading the docs for ssmtp |
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| 17:36.57 | Gregor3000 | ssmtp: Your GMAIL Password is left unencrypted in this file :-( |
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| 17:37.25 | nkuttler | Gregor3000: well.. if it was encrypted you'd have to save the decryption key.. |
| 17:37.57 | Gregor3000 | yeah. maybe i should create a gmail user for server only :-) |
| 17:38.01 | nkuttler | Gregor3000: but if that's a no go for your, exim/postfix etc |
| 17:38.06 | nkuttler | or that, yeah |
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| 17:39.46 | User_ | Does linux slow down over time ? |
| 17:39.57 | nkuttler | User_: what do you mean? |
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| 17:40.09 | nkuttler | like windows installs? no |
| 17:40.13 | User_ | nkuttler, like desktop wise |
| 17:40.18 | User_ | yeah like windows |
| 17:40.32 | User_ | nkuttler, how about memory management? |
| 17:40.48 | nkuttler | User_: of course it depends on your timeframe as well.. software is updated and probably wants more resources in the future |
| 17:40.52 | nkuttler | User_: i'm not an expert on that |
| 17:42.12 | User_ | what about your experience? |
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| 17:42.13 | nkuttler | User_: i only go above 10% memory usage when i launch a lot of vms.. |
| 17:42.13 | User_ | interesting, you use your linux desktop for university papers? |
| 17:42.14 | nkuttler | no |
| 17:42.23 | ChrisH | User_: I see such slow-down due to memory consumption on my old desktop on the office if I do not logout from KDE over 2-3 Month. If it happes I restart KDE every few months, thats OK for me :) |
| 17:42.24 | nkuttler | i test server deployments locally and need vms for that |
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| 17:43.16 | ChrisH | User_: old in terms of HW age not Debian sw age |
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| 17:45.01 | User_ | alright guys |
| 17:45.13 | User_ | what office package is as powerful as the commonly used ms office? |
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| 17:46.01 | eb0t | use libre office.. |
| 17:46.06 | nkuttler | User_: you're probably thinking of libreoffice, but to me neither ms office nor libreoffice are powerful |
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| 17:46.34 | eb0t | but user i think that on a linux machine it doesnt slow down over time like a windows machine .....especially if you use a decent partitioning policy |
| 17:46.55 | User_ | eb0t, what would you consider a decent partitioning policy? |
| 17:47.06 | eb0t | windows machine are on one partition which get so fragmented and stuff with updates and things that it becomes a mess |
| 17:47.15 | eb0t | i think the linux filesystem is much more organised |
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| 17:47.45 | eb0t | and files are kept more regimented on the hdd |
| 17:47.45 | User_ | ah you mean filesystem type ? |
| 17:47.57 | User_ | what file system do you use eb0t ? |
| 17:48.04 | eb0t | i use several |
| 17:48.10 | eb0t | i use ext2 for boot |
| 17:48.20 | eb0t | ext4 for other partitions |
| 17:48.30 | eb0t | and swap |
| 17:48.33 | eb0t | but when i say the linux filesystem |
| 17:48.49 | User_ | why do you use ext2 for boot? Sorry for all these questions just very curious |
| 17:48.57 | eb0t | im really speaking about /etc/for configs /proc for virtual things |
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| 17:49.12 | eb0t | i dont require journalling on my boot |
| 17:50.01 | User_ | you use that same machine for desktop purposes? |
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| 17:57.28 | User_ | what is the best way to partition my harddrive? |
| 17:57.39 | zinx | 1 partition |
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| 17:59.27 | Bartleby | There are a number of different ways, but I think you should have at least 2, a 'data' partition, and the OS partition, possibly several of these if you multiboot. |
| 17:59.43 | User_ | Bartleby, so /boot and / ? |
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| 17:59.45 | User_ | zinx, why? |
| 18:00.00 | Bartleby | No, / and /data |
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| 18:00.29 | centrx | One partition on a desktop is easiest, if you have limited disk space |
| 18:00.29 | zinx | User_: because you had to ask |
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| 18:00.35 | eb0t | i always have /, /boot /home /var /swap |
| 18:00.42 | zinx | User_: multi-partition setups require a lot of knowledge about what your system requirements are and will be |
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| 18:01.00 | eb0t | 5 parttions for every install |
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| 18:01.11 | bazhang | got cut off at will be zinx |
| 18:01.12 | User_ | interesting, what type of filesystems did you guys choose? |
| 18:01.24 | zinx | User_: single partition just works, at some minimal risk of corrupting /boot with the normal FS, but you are unlikely to be able to recover the system if only /boot is intact |
| 18:01.32 | Bartleby | Easiest when? Because if you ever decide to reinstall or change operating systems, I don't think it's easier to copy everything to another drive first. |
| 18:01.44 | zinx | bazhang: no, that was the end of my statement |
| 18:01.55 | eb0t | i like the 5 partition thing |
| 18:02.08 | eb0t | especially that if your boot partition messes up |
| 18:02.10 | bazhang | aqh right my bad zinx |
| 18:02.11 | zinx | Bartleby: uhm, you can resize partitions |
| 18:02.28 | eb0t | you can just get all your files from a perfectly working /home partition |
| 18:02.50 | zinx | eb0t: the likelyhood of only one partition on a modern drive being corrupted is extremely low |
| 18:03.03 | eb0t | i cater for all likeleyhoods |
| 18:03.10 | User_ | what about file system types, I have read about zfs and brtfs, how do these actually differ and do they matter for the desktop user? |
| 18:03.11 | zinx | eb0t: and the filesystem that's written more is the most likely to become corrupted |
| 18:03.16 | eb0t | yes it is |
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| 18:03.30 | zinx | eb0t: boot is only written on kernel upgrades, for the most part. |
| 18:03.32 | eb0t | but i always have a storage disk |
| 18:03.40 | eb0t | storage drive |
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| 18:03.48 | zinx | in any case, if you're having to recover data from /home, you should just get it off your backups. |
| 18:03.50 | eb0t | which is anotehr partition |
| 18:04.00 | zinx | ;-) |
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| 18:04.44 | eb0t | i love this storage drive thing...as it means all my important things are on a drive that is hardly ever used |
| 18:04.55 | eb0t | so i have system drives and storage drives |
| 18:05.05 | eb0t | i learned that after watergate seagate |
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| 18:05.35 | eb0t | that was when i used to run windows on 1 partition and store all my stuff on the same partition ...and then my seagate blew up |
| 18:05.39 | eb0t | well broke |
| 18:05.46 | User_ | eb0t, what do you think about zfs filesystem? |
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| 18:05.53 | eb0t | which nearly wiped out my whole business |
| 18:06.02 | User_ | guys is the ck-kernel patch available as a deb package? |
| 18:06.04 | eb0t | i couldnt even mount the drive |
| 18:06.13 | eb0t | one single broken partition |
| 18:06.15 | Bartleby | zinx: So, in otherwords, the need to keep data on another partition is alleviated by treating your entire single partition after the fact as a separate partition when installing something new? |
| 18:06.48 | eb0t | since then i only use western digital...and partition like a mad man ..and have a seperate storage drive and backup off the machine reqularly |
| 18:07.06 | eb0t | never used the zfs filesystem |
| 18:07.08 | zinx | Bartleby: when installing something new you are going to have to resize a partition anyway, unless you wasted a lot of space. |
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| 18:07.37 | zinx | Bartleby: i'm having a hard time following your train of thought here, though. |
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| 18:08.06 | eb0t | you shouldnt have to resize a parttition when installing something new zinc |
| 18:08.15 | eb0t | you should partiton in a reasonable manner |
| 18:08.20 | zinx | eb0t: a new OS? |
| 18:08.22 | Bartleby | zinx: Not really. Root file systems don't take up much space, and hard drive space is pretty cheap and plentiful now. |
| 18:08.23 | eb0t | takign into accoutn future installs |
| 18:08.31 | eb0t | oh a new install ok. |
| 18:09.17 | zinx | Bartleby: the problem with separate partitions is requirements for /, /boot, /usr, etc grow over time. modern debian kernel packages are 200-300MB /each/ |
| 18:10.57 | zinx | Bartleby: if you're not fully aware of that beforehand, you'll have to screw around with the partitions later |
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| 18:10.58 | eb0t | hey User_ just found this |
| 18:11.00 | zinx | Bartleby: and resizing multiple partitions is much more time consuming than resizing one, which you wouldn't have to resize anyway in that case. |
| 18:11.00 | eb0t | worth a read i think http://askubuntu.com/questions/84068/windows-gets-progressively-slower-over-time-why-doesnt-ubuntu |
| 18:11.00 | eb0t | talks al ot about registry expansion |
| 18:11.01 | Bartleby | zinx: I'm not saying a separate partition for each system thing. I'm saying one root partition, then one data partition. |
| 18:11.02 | eb0t | and that once you install and remove stuff on windows ..it doesnt get cleaned up properly and the registry gets bottlenecked |
| 18:11.02 | zinx | Bartleby: and again, that is fine if you have enough experience to estimate the size of your root partition beforehad |
| 18:11.05 | Bartleby | zinx: A 10-16Gb / directory should be sufficient. |
| 18:11.08 | zinx | Bartleby: if you're asking, however, you probably don't. |
| 18:11.12 | eb0t | and also the way windows stores files forces fragmentation |
| 18:11.18 | zinx | Bartleby: i have systems that use more than 30GB on / |
| 18:11.31 | zinx | Bartleby: not including /var, /tmp, /home, /boot, etc |
| 18:11.31 | eb0t | whereas linux stores differently but can cause more wear and tear on your disk drive |
| 18:11.57 | Bartleby | zinx: I think if you're asking, you probably don't use more than 20Gb. |
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| 18:12.26 | zinx | eb0t: erh? linux's method actually causes less wear and tear in general, as far as filesystems go, and it has no real concept of a registry |
| 18:12.48 | eb0t | personally i agree |
| 18:13.01 | zinx | Bartleby: i don't know that i'd make that assumption myself :/ |
| 18:15.09 | eb0t | but the article i just read seems to have an understanding i previously didnt know about how linux stores files on the hard drive |
| 18:15.09 | eb0t | not sure how accurate it is |
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| 18:15.11 | Bartleby | And if you run up against problems, you can always resize, but I think generally it will take longer for an inexperienced user to deal with the need to resize / than to deal with recovering data from their single partition when they want to reinstall. |
| 18:15.11 | zinx | not very accurate if it things it causes more wear and tear |
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| 18:15.12 | zinx | Linux tries very hard to place files in contiguous sections, which reduces fragmentation AND wear and tear |
| 18:15.12 | eb0t | yes i thought that |
| 18:15.13 | zinx | keep in mind Windows actually tries to slam the hard drive head against the sides while installing, though modern hard drives ignore it |
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| 18:16.03 | User_ | interesting article eb0t |
| 18:16.35 | gotmynick | hello |
| 18:16.38 | gotmynick | Is it posible to mantain a clean login screen on tty1 with systemd without modifying kernel printk ? |
| 18:16.39 | eb0t | yes User_ ...not sure about its accuracy..but he definitely has some reasonable points |
| 18:16.39 | gotmynick | I'm already using the 'quiet' boot param |
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| 18:17.31 | eb0t | adn the thing about cleaning up after uninstalling stuff on windows is definitly true...everything you had and uninstalled on windwos still is present normally in /program files |
| 18:17.37 | zinx | eb0t: i'm pretty sure seeking is not significantly slower from the filesystem layout differences - number of seeks, however, certainly is important. |
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| 18:17.51 | zinx | eb0t: and linux reduces the number of seeks. |
| 18:18.36 | eb0t | cool |
| 18:18.50 | zinx | eb0t: at several levels - by making files contiguous, and by reordering accesses at a higher level |
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| 18:19.01 | eb0t | from the article it can also be taken that linux when it does an install of a new package possibly gives the file more than enough contiguous space...which caters for future expanison on updates |
| 18:19.10 | eb0t | not sure ..thats just reading it a different way |
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| 18:19.30 | User_ | I have a tendency of keeping a lot of apps open in windows and minimizing them - this hogs performance. How is linux designed currently ? Does this useage behavior indcate same perofmrance issues? |
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| 18:20.13 | eb0t | i thnk it depends on what distro you use and what apps you run.. |
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| 18:20.41 | eb0t | plus microsoft programs tend to like to speak to their creators a lot |
| 18:20.45 | eb0t | sending them info all the time |
| 18:21.02 | eb0t | and they definitley like to be up and runnng whenever the machine is turned on |
| 18:21.08 | eb0t | wether you want them or not |
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| 18:21.32 | eb0t | oh and then they like to constantly check for updates and the like |
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| 18:22.31 | User_ | eb0t, i am planning on sticking with debian stable, mostly chrome ( alot of open windows ), office apps( pdf word..) all mutliple instances, torrent and dropbox running in the bg |
| 18:22.31 | eb0t | and a lot of microsfot programms tend to hook into other third party products ..normally orientated around advertising |
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| 18:22.37 | User_ | Got 3gb of ram |
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| 18:22.49 | User_ | yeah chrome extensions are only adblock |
| 18:23.09 | eb0t | yes i love debian..i used debian wheezy as my main...and i have gentoo on the lapdop |
| 18:23.17 | eb0t | and kali and pentoo on my hack box |
| 18:23.28 | User_ | I just need a smooth desktop system that will not cause anger when it becomes slow |
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| 18:23.35 | eb0t | but debian for my main as its so reliable and consistent |
| 18:23.39 | User_ | nothing fancy, probally just going to run gnome |
| 18:23.53 | Bierdieb | For some reason I can't connect to oftc network |
| 18:24.15 | eb0t | my debian sometimes seems a bit slow...but then i do an aptitude update aptitude upgrade and bang ..she is running sweet |
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| 18:24.21 | User_ | eb0t, what fs? I am thinking about doing a zfs run, however, ( not been running *nix for several years) so I am kinda out of date |
| 18:24.43 | eb0t | if i were you i would stick with the norm for now |
| 18:24.45 | eb0t | jsut make everyting ext4 if you dont want to be too adventurous |
| 18:25.02 | User_ | eb0t, you use pf kernel ? |
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| 18:25.29 | eb0t | no i just use the standard kernel |
| 18:25.36 | eb0t | i dont mess with my kernel on debian |
| 18:25.44 | eb0t | and i do a custom kernel on gentoo |
| 18:25.54 | eb0t | in fact on gentoo i have several |
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| 18:26.00 | User_ | eb0t, how is the flash support for 64 bit browsers? |
| 18:26.02 | eb0t | on kali i have a hardened kernel |
| 18:26.10 | eb0t | which i previously thought was selinux |
| 18:26.14 | eb0t | but apparently its not |
| 18:26.17 | User_ | hmm |
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| 18:26.42 | eb0t | i never have any issues with flash |
| 18:26.45 | User_ | last tiem I installed 64 bit debian ( amd64 right? ) I had to install a 32 bit browser |
| 18:26.51 | User_ | still the case? |
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| 18:27.23 | eb0t | i just use the iceweasle that came with the install on debian |
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| 18:27.29 | eb0t | (which is firefox) |
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| 18:27.55 | Gregor3000 | Allright! |
| 18:27.57 | eb0t | i didnt actually take tim e to look at if it was 32 bit or 64 bit version ..i just assumed it was 64 bit version |
| 18:28.15 | Gregor3000 | ssmtp FTW! |
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| 18:30.34 | SynrGy | $ file /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:30.34 | SynrGy | /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 18:30.46 | SynrGy | for the curious |
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| 18:31.12 | SynrGy | User_: ^^ definitely 64-bit |
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| 18:32.53 | udoprog | How can I find which packages Provides a specific virtual package? |
| 18:32.53 | SynrGy | User_: in which millennium did you last try it? |
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| 18:32.54 | somiaj | udoprog: aptitude search can search virtual packages, aptitude search ~v packagename |
| 18:33.01 | User_ | SynrGy, hmm in the area of when ubuntu just came into existence |
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| 18:33.58 | udoprog | somiaj: thanks, do you know of any equivalent apt-* based solution? |
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| 18:34.10 | SynrGy | User_: ah, so this millennium. but not by much :) |
| 18:34.13 | rhizome | how can i display what is using the hard drive? something seems wedged and the hard drive light is constanly on |
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| 18:34.27 | somiaj | udoprog: why not use aptitude? Unforntally this is one of the places aptitude is better than apt-cache as it has more control over how it searches for things. |
| 18:34.40 | somiaj | rhizome: lsof will list all files that are currently open |
| 18:34.57 | SynrGy | rhizome: iotop perhaps? |
| 18:34.59 | eb0t | cool SynrGy |
| 18:35.02 | rhizome | hrm. lsof is pretty chatty |
| 18:35.19 | somiaj | yea i forgot about iotop, that will tell ya what is using more so than what is open |
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| 18:35.52 | udoprog | somiaj: aptitude is not available by default in the environment I'm doing this, that's all. |
| 18:36.03 | udoprog | somiaj: but thanks again for the suggestion! |
| 18:36.20 | somiaj | udoprog: must be a really striped down enviroment. Do you have another debian enviorment you could search for things with aptitude in it? |
| 18:36.31 | SynrGy | udoprog: where "in the environment I'm doing this" is not debian at all, but a deriv? something embedded? |
| 18:36.50 | rhizome | ah, good old gvfsd-metadata. how could i forget to check that. |
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| 18:37.04 | SynrGy | udoprog: maybe apt-cache showpkg <virtualpkgname> |
| 18:37.35 | somiaj | well aptitude is only a standard package so it can be removed, but it is a very striped down debian install if it is. |
| 18:37.44 | somiaj | since standard packages and higher *should* be installed |
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| 18:38.05 | Gregor3000 | ok now for the second issue....: how to setup this - permaban on repeated offenders in fail2ban: http://stuffphilwrites.com/2013/03/permanently-ban-repeat-offenders-fail2ban/ |
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| 18:38.05 | SynrGy | and simply being "unavailable" sounds like embedded to me |
| 18:38.05 | SynrGy | you could always install it |
| 18:38.20 | SynrGy | either that, or you have no administrative control over the system. |
| 18:38.38 | Gregor3000 | it seems to be working but i am not sure why it doesn't create the ip.blocklist file |
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| 18:39.50 | udoprog | SynrGy: I can install it, it's for an initramfs-based installer. |
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| 18:39.50 | Gregor3000 | # also put into the static file to re-populate after a restart |
| 18:39.50 | rhizome | thanks somiaj |
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| 18:39.50 | SynrGy | udoprog: reinvent the wheel much? d-i? |
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| 18:40.02 | SynrGy | iirc you can make a 'monolithic' installer for d-i which is all in the initramfs |
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| 18:41.08 | User_ | Is there a zfs installer for debian? |
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| 18:43.15 | udoprog | SynrGy: it's more that the requirement placed on the installer forced us to have capabilities of certain packages that were not compiled in by default, it was simply easier to write a set of bash-scripts, build an emdebian based initramfs, strip out as much as possible and go than build on top of the udeb infrastructure. |
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| 18:43.17 | eb0t | hey what is the best way to monitor if your machine is being attempted hack ..is it just to look at the /var/log/auth file ? |
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| 18:43.42 | SynrGy | udoprog: sounds fancy |
| 18:43.56 | SynrGy | udoprog: anyway, was apt-cache showpkg any help? |
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| 18:44.43 | Gregor3000 | eb0t: depends what prevention tools you have installed (e.g. fail2ban has it's own log as well). if you want more monitoring then there is specialised software available |
| 18:45.14 | eb0t | i hear a lot about fail2 ban ...maybe ill give it a try .. |
| 18:45.23 | eb0t | thanks Gregor3000 |
| 18:45.31 | udoprog | SynrGy: will check in a sec, thanks for the suggestion though! |
| 18:45.57 | Gregor3000 | eb0t: fail2ban just bans repeated offenders |
| 18:46.15 | rryoumaa | i ran badblocks -b 4096 and got a bad sector. is that the right block size for ext4? can i now just pass it in to fsck to tell it to route around that sector? |
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| 18:46.16 | Gregor3000 | another way is to setup iptables |
| 18:46.21 | eb0t | ah ok...im more interested in finding out if i am being scanned or login attempts |
| 18:46.44 | Gregor3000 | auth.log then. if you have 22 open you are being scanned and they are tryign to login... |
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| 18:47.11 | Gregor3000 | make sure you have passwords only disabled and as much a sposisble made on keys at least or keys+password |
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| 18:47.18 | eb0t | yes i have 22 open but only for keyed login |
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| 18:47.46 | User_ | How many people that are computer novices are using linux you think? |
| 18:48.00 | eb0t | i think lots are using linux mint and ubuntu |
| 18:48.13 | udoprog | SynrGy: perfect, thank you! |
| 18:48.59 | eb0t | i think linux mint and ubuntu is like windows for linux |
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| 18:49.18 | eb0t | they can do everything in the way they used to on windwos |
| 18:49.31 | User_ | eb0t, is ubuntu as stable as the debian stable rep? |
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| 18:49.33 | eb0t | i think...not sure though as i have never run mint or ubuntu |
| 18:49.39 | User_ | same here... |
| 18:49.58 | eb0t | i dont know ...all the proper linux users seem to not like ubunut |
| 18:50.06 | eb0t | not sure why..i know its bloated |
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| 18:50.35 | eb0t | with games and nonsense and has a community that is not as interested in the techy side |
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| 18:51.26 | eb0t | but im not sure about its stabilty ...the good thing is when i have an issue with one of my linux ..if i dont get he arch or gentoo wiki...the ubuntu guys seem to come up with reasonable answers |
| 18:51.47 | eb0t | i think the community is HUGE |
| 18:52.22 | eb0t | on a google search that is |
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| 18:53.34 | Skyrider | Well I do know the ubuntu community is quite large.. |
| 18:53.48 | Skyrider | I love debian, though I don't like the package limitations so much. |
| 18:54.02 | Skyrider | eg, debian squeeze. Not having the latest stuff at all. |
| 18:54.18 | User_ | ah right... you are the edgy guy |
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| 18:54.43 | Skyrider | edgy guy? :p |
| 18:54.49 | Skyrider | I already have a nickname though ^^ |
| 18:55.02 | Brigo | squeeze is old-stable ... |
| 18:55.06 | ScottE | I would say that by definition, anyone on an older version of any distribution won't have the latest stuff |
| 18:55.07 | Skyrider | I'm aware. |
| 18:55.26 | User_ | lol, I thought that because of gentoo you like to life on the bleeding edge of your software rep |
| 18:55.27 | User_ | lol |
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| 18:58.32 | User_ | hy is the amd64 mini installer only "testing"? |
| 18:58.57 | oxodesign | Can someone help me, when I run su orientdb -c "cd \"/opt/orientdb/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &" it does not work |
| 18:59.10 | oxodesign | but if I run: su root -c "cd \"/opt/orientdb/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &" it works |
| 18:59.30 | User_ | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 18:59.39 | Gregor3000 | eb0t: ubuntu is as bloated as you make it (use minimal install.iso for onyl basic stuff installed). the idea is not to be widnows but to simplify install and usage for newcomers and users in general |
| 18:59.50 | oxodesign | I have checked the permissions and "orientdb" have all the rights on that folder! |
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| 19:00.41 | eb0t | yes gregor...either way i would rather use ubuntu than windows ...i mean just had a call from my sister asking me how to remove whilokii deals from her machine as its ruining her life. |
| 19:00.50 | eb0t | thats a new one for me whilokii |
| 19:00.56 | ChrisH | oxodesign: who is owner of ../log/orientdb.log and ./log/orientdb.err |
| 19:01.08 | oxodesign | orientdb |
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| 19:01.33 | oxodesign | ChrisH: -rw-r--r-- 1 orientdb orientdb 1725 Nov 10 13:47 orientdb.log |
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| 19:02.33 | ChrisH | oxodesign: I would put cd \"/opt/orientdb/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err into a sperate scribe in /opt/orientdb/bin and simply call su [-] orientdb -c /opt/orientdb/bin/startit |
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| 19:05.10 | oxodesign | ChrisH: the thing is that im trying to create a service/deamon and put it on /etc/init.d so it runs allways |
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| 19:06.15 | ChrisH | oxodesign: I know what you want to do... But it does not change anything to my recommendation. An initscript can call a script in /opt/orientdb/bin |
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| 19:07.03 | oxodesign | ChrisH: ok will try that. |
| 19:07.26 | Skyrider | I know this is a FPM related question, but I might as well ask for someone who happens to know.. the php5-fpm.sock file in /var/run, is it supposed to be an empty file? (okb).. |
| 19:07.30 | Skyrider | Just curious |
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| 19:08.36 | User_ | is 3gb enough for a desktop? |
| 19:08.40 | lillian | Anyone here run Debian for a web server? I'm about to transfer a bunch of ecommerce stuff and I really hated centos |
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| 19:09.56 | eb0t | i think centos is fantastic |
| 19:10.00 | dondelelcaro | lillian: quite a few of us do |
| 19:10.07 | Brigo | User_, it should be |
| 19:10.09 | eb0t | what didnt you like about it lillian |
| 19:10.29 | dondelelcaro | eb0t: centos isn't really on topic here. |
| 19:10.36 | Brigo | lillian, i do it, but not very skilled. |
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| 19:10.58 | eb0t | lillian brought up a subject i really would like to know why she wants to change a server from centos to debian |
| 19:11.02 | eb0t | its educational |
| 19:11.07 | Maze7 | i do it too. But im not sure what you want to do? |
| 19:11.08 | eb0t | and pretty much on topic |
| 19:11.23 | dondelelcaro | eb0t: centos is on topic in #centos, not here. |
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| 19:11.36 | eb0t | the topic is why is she replacing centos for debian |
| 19:11.39 | eb0t | so grow up |
| 19:11.41 | lillian | I find CentOS a real pain to manage compared to FreeBSD. I find it confusing vs. the simplicity of FreeBSD. I remember Debian being "less annoying." I think the whole EPEL repo thing is "what?" and so on and so forth |
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| 19:15.04 | Zerock|Work | What's the latest Linux on Sid? |
| 19:15.16 | dondelelcaro | judd: kernel versions |
| 19:15.16 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 19:15.16 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 19:15.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 19:15.23 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: heh. thanks |
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| 19:16.51 | Zerock|Work | Thank you. |
| 19:17.48 | croddy | is there a way to figure out which installed fonts provide a given character or characters? alternatively, is there a way to tell fontconfig which family to prefer for specific unicode scripts? the problem i am having is that certain scripts are being rendered with an unknown and ugly font, and i want to either remove the ugly font to cause the better one to be preferred, or to explicitly tell it to prefer the font that looks better. |
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| 19:29.01 | zerophan | anyone knows function to run strlen on shell script ? |
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| 19:31.25 | avar | zerophan: wc -c <script> |
| 19:32.24 | zerophan | avar, ?? |
| 19:33.20 | avar | That's the equivalent of running strlen on a shellscript |
| 19:33.24 | avar | Maybe you meant "in a shellscript", not "on a shellscript" ? |
| 19:33.47 | zerophan | avar, i need in files name.txt(example) |
| 19:34.27 | User_ | Guys is 3gb of memory enough for desktop gnome? |
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| 19:35.00 | avar | User_: yes |
| 19:35.05 | Zerock|Work | User_: That's debatable, but should be. |
| 19:35.21 | Zerock|Work | Just don't load up on extensions, and you'll be fine. |
| 19:35.33 | zerophan | avar, can help ? lenght o name.txt ?? |
| 19:35.56 | avar | wc -c name.txt |
| 19:36.08 | avar | just run that command |
| 19:36.19 | User_ | What desktop env do you guys use ? |
| 19:36.27 | Zerock|Work | GNOME 3. |
| 19:36.28 | User_ | anything other than gnome or kde? |
| 19:36.28 | zerophan | name.txt = lenght 8 |
| 19:36.30 | zerophan | i need it |
| 19:36.40 | User_ | zerophan, is there a gnome-light deb package? |
| 19:37.02 | zerophan | User_, no |
| 19:37.07 | User_ | also what does the debian desktop environment option entail in the installer? |
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| 19:37.39 | SynrGy | gnome3. unless otherwise specified (boot parameter, or else "Advanced" boot options) |
| 19:37.43 | zerophan | avar, and ?? |
| 19:38.05 | SynrGy | (assuming you mean netinst) |
| 19:38.08 | oxodesign | ChrisH: when I try to run: "su [-] orientdb -c" as u suggested I get No passwd entry for user '[-]' |
| 19:38.40 | zerophan | avar, do not need to know the size of what's inside the file |
| 19:38.44 | User_ | SynrGy, yeah doing the netinst, also is it nessesary to install the print option ? printer is not shared over network? |
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| 19:39.16 | User_ | hmm, so it is just the gnome option SynrGy ? Also common tool now aptitude instead of apt? |
| 19:39.22 | SynrGy | i don't think it is, no |
| 19:39.25 | zerophan | avar, I need the file size |
| 19:39.32 | zerophan | name.txt lenght = 8 |
| 19:39.37 | SynrGy | User_: either/or. it doesn't matter. |
| 19:39.56 | SynrGy | i use apt when apt does a better job (most of the time) and aptitude when it does a better job |
| 19:40.04 | zerophan | avar, wc -c != strlen |
| 19:40.24 | User_ | SynrGy, how do you decide which is better for a job? |
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| 19:41.16 | SynrGy | clearly anything requiring a compositor will be crap on a system that doesn't support that (e.g. a desktop that needs to run over vnc, for example) |
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| 19:42.06 | SynrGy | i have a personal preference for lxde as my "light" desktop, but it's not as friendly for novices to configure. |
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| 19:42.29 | SynrGy | so in those situations, i would use xfce (where the hardware votes against a compositor-requiring desktop) |
| 19:42.38 | User_ | SynrGy, alright, what about kernel managers? ( plan on installing pf-kernel, and what to enable the BFQ I/O sched... |
| 19:42.40 | User_ | ) |
| 19:43.02 | User_ | SynrGy, interesting I will take a look at xfce |
| 19:43.34 | SynrGy | for the adventuresome who like the features of gnome3 but who are driven batty by the gnome maintainers' design decisions, there's cinnamon |
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| 19:43.58 | SynrGy | on the more capable systems in the household, and my office system, i now use that, and am mostly happy |
| 19:44.01 | SynrGy | ,v cinnamon |
| 19:44.02 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.16-4; jessie: 2.2.16-4 |
| 19:44.09 | SynrGy | not available in wheezy, however. |
| 19:44.15 | SynrGy | ,v mate |
| 19:44.16 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 19:44.20 | SynrGy | ,v mate-desktop |
| 19:44.20 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2 |
| 19:44.25 | croddy | alright, i've identified FreeMono as the offending font. unfortunately a lot of stuff seems to have a hard dependency on FreeMono. can anyone think of a way to make the fonts in fonts-freefont-ttf unusable/invisible on the system without the package being absent? |
| 19:44.32 | SynrGy | there is that, though. but it's too much of a throwback desktop for me. |
| 19:44.44 | SynrGy | i think it's a flawed concept to begin with, so don't use it anywhere. |
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| 19:45.51 | SynrGy | don't know what a "kernel manager" is. i use stock debian kernels, exclusively |
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| 19:46.06 | User_ | SynrGy, looks great, like ms windows... if it is light weight than it works for me. I just need something that is office sutied for daily usage |
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| 19:46.39 | User_ | SynrGy, also a basic file manager included? |
| 19:46.51 | SynrGy | xfce4 includes thunar |
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| 19:47.22 | bbtech | How do I determine the max resolution (for 2 monitors) that is supported by my: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) ? |
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| 19:47.49 | User_ | SynrGy, great any other great recommendations for light weight desktop? Had a gut feeling that my system with 3gb might not be that suitable for gnonme... |
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| 19:48.53 | User_ | will the ati drivers work with the pf kernel deb package in wheezy? |
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| 19:50.12 | zzztt | jesus christ.. could you make it any harder to install this OS? my laptop boots live distributions but not installations. i was finally able to make it boot after i used the "boot repair disk" tool. but then i did another installation with disk encryption, and now the boot repair disk tool doesn't help at all |
| 19:50.14 | mtn | User_: 3g will work fine for gnome3. I just go over 2g when using virtualbox plus assorted applications. |
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| 19:50.24 | zzztt | something's wrong with the GRUB thing because it doesn't load at all |
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| 19:51.05 | User_ | mtn, hmm what are your thoughts about xfce or any other good gnome alterantive? |
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| 19:51.19 | mtn | User_: I don't use them. I prefer gnome or kde |
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| 19:51.35 | User_ | mtn, why? |
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| 19:52.01 | mtn | User_: my personal preferences. you need to compare them and make up your own mind ;) |
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| 19:52.38 | teraflops | User_: fglrx works fine for an radeon hd 5/6xxx on whezzy and its stock kernel, even the libva. i think you dont need a pf kernel with 3G of ram |
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| 19:52.45 | teraflops | a radeaon* |
| 19:53.03 | teraflops | :\ |
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| 19:53.13 | User_ | teraflops, you do not think that ck sched will give me an advantage? |
| 19:53.19 | User_ | hmmm |
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| 19:53.44 | teraflops | User_: what cpu are using? |
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| 19:54.52 | udoprog | bbtech: xrandr, or or the provided display utility for your DE? |
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| 19:55.09 | bbtech | udoprog, xrandr |
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| 19:55.29 | teraflops | User_: on a 2 cores core2duo 3Gb of ram radeon 6xxx and sata hd I swear gnome goes so so good |
| 19:55.34 | User_ | teraflops, intel celeron e3400 @ 2.6 ghz |
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| 19:55.48 | User_ | teraflops, alright |
| 19:55.51 | teraflops | User_: one core only? |
| 19:55.58 | SynrGy | bbtech: yes, the point is, *use* it. the first line should say |
| 19:56.07 | User_ | teraflops, if I plugin nmy android phone will it popup like in windows? |
| 19:56.09 | SynrGy | bbtech: e.g. |
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| 19:56.09 | udoprog | bbtech: the X server should literally do it's best to figure it out for you, so it should be listed in xrandr. |
| 19:56.10 | SynrGy | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 32767 x 32767 |
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| 19:56.35 | bbtech | so, xrandr lists: 2560x1440 59.95 |
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| 19:56.39 | teraflops | User_: depends on your phone (hw ans firmware) |
| 19:56.49 | bbtech | but if I try to get to monitors to use it they both go black |
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| 19:57.01 | SynrGy | bbtech: no |
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| 19:57.14 | SynrGy | bbtech: a line that resembles the one i showed ... |
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| 19:57.22 | teraflops | and* orry the misstips i have lag and crazy fingers |
| 19:57.24 | SynrGy | "maximum # x #" |
| 19:57.42 | bbtech | oh have to scroll up :-/ |
| 19:57.43 | bbtech | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 4096 x 1152, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
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| 19:58.34 | User_ | teraflops, had to check to be sure, I got 2 cores |
| 19:58.35 | bbtech | So, I can only go to the resolution: 2048x1152 on two monitors |
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| 19:58.51 | User_ | teraflops, letÅ say oneplus one or nexus |
| 19:59.01 | User_ | teraflops, anything other than ios |
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| 19:59.11 | teraflops | then I think its ok, I also have tested some steam games on that setup/hw and works ok |
| 19:59.13 | bbtech | but it looks like I should be able to go to 2560x1440 on two monitors. Anyone know why my monitors go black when I try the higher res? |
| 19:59.30 | SynrGy | bbtech: buggy? |
| 19:59.40 | Skyrider | screen refresh rate? |
| 19:59.57 | SynrGy | shouldn't be. if one monitor in isolation works, and so does the other ... |
| 20:00.01 | SynrGy | sounds like a driver bug |
| 20:00.33 | bbtech | I can get it to work on one monitor |
| 20:00.34 | teraflops | User_: the one plus one works ok with the libmtp |
| 20:00.34 | bbtech | using Display Ports |
| 20:00.55 | bbtech | should I try reducing the refresh rate? Currently at 59.95 |
| 20:01.16 | User_ | teraflops, what about flashing? What tools are there for installing other roms? Only bare adb? |
| 20:01.26 | teraflops | User_: i also believe there is a gnome libmtp package (migth check that) |
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| 20:01.44 | bbtech | Anything else I can do to help it go to the higher res? |
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| 20:02.56 | teraflops | User_: well thats offtopic ;) in the case of the one plus one I had no problems once rooted, at leat you can always setup a windows virtual machine aDnd pass the usb port to the guest |
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| 20:05.34 | User_ | what login manager would you recommend in case I go with XFCE? |
| 20:06.08 | SynrGy | lightdm |
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| 20:06.19 | SynrGy | it's the default for that desktop anyway |
| 20:08.35 | User_ | SynrGy, looking into xfce, I am very excited about it |
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| 20:08.52 | bbtech | woot, I got full resolution |
| 20:08.59 | bbtech | SynrGy, I think buggy is correct! |
| 20:09.25 | Skyrider | or not compatible :p |
| 20:09.29 | bbtech | I added a mode that set the refresh rate to 33Hz |
| 20:09.38 | Skyrider | So refresh rate after all ey? |
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| 20:09.43 | bbtech | when, I used it it made the screen go black |
| 20:10.09 | bbtech | but then I tried setting it back to 2560x1440@60hz and it worked |
| 20:10.11 | bbtech | lol |
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| 20:11.18 | Zemeio | Hi guys, do you recommend something to download torrents in command-line? |
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| 20:12.15 | relaxed | Zemeio: rtorrent |
| 20:12.23 | Zemeio | relaxed: thanks : ) |
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| 20:13.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 20:14.06 | dualbus | (though aria2 is better than rtorrent) |
| 20:14.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | if if mess with the order of my stata drives on the mobo ports does it screw up zfs? |
| 20:14.23 | warcques | hallooo |
| 20:14.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there an way to tell? |
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| 20:15.26 | warcques | I've not messed with that too much but I seem to remember reading that you should set up your ZFS with UUIDs rather than /dev/sdX since those can change from boot to boot |
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| 20:15.35 | warcques | don't know your setup |
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| 20:17.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think it is uuids |
| 20:17.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i remember it being an pain.. |
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| 20:32.18 | jimbo1qaz | How do I get freshplayer on debian wheezy? the Precise PPA requires a too-new libc6 and libconfig8 cannot be installed. |
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| 20:33.02 | mtn | jimbo1qaz: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:33.05 | ompaul | !ppa |
| 20:33.05 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 20:33.22 | ompaul | why not use a ppa |
| 20:33.25 | ompaul | !why not use a ppa |
| 20:33.25 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
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| 20:33.45 | ompaul | jimbo1qaz: I guess the answer is no, and no don't even try |
| 20:35.18 | ompaul | ,v libc6 |
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| 20:35.35 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; jessie: 2.19-12; sid: 2.19-13 |
| 20:35.45 | jimbo1qaz | I assume PPA won't work. What else can I do? |
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| 20:36.11 | ompaul | jimbo1qaz: if you MUST use a PPA you should at least run ubuntu |
| 20:36.22 | jimbo1qaz | I can't tolerate unity |
| 20:36.25 | jimbo1qaz | or gnome3 |
| 20:36.29 | ompaul | they are built for that not for debian / mint etc |
| 20:36.39 | jimbo1qaz | Now where can I get or download freshplayer for debian? |
| 20:36.49 | jimbo1qaz | or compile |
| 20:36.49 | ompaul | ,v freshplayer |
| 20:36.50 | judd | No package named 'freshplayer' was found in i386. |
| 20:36.58 | ompaul | so there isn't one |
| 20:37.51 | ompaul | at this point you want to build one ... let's have a bit of fun looking |
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| 20:37.54 | jimbo1qaz | should I compile it from scratch, anyone build it online? |
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| 20:39.01 | ompaul | I've no idea |
| 20:39.02 | ompaul | didn't know it existed until a few minutes ago |
| 20:39.03 | ompaul | jimbo1qaz: look at the security note on this page first https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin |
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| 20:39.36 | jimbo1qaz | is it less secure than firefox npapi? |
| 20:39.46 | jimbo1qaz | I assume flash clickonplay then. |
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| 20:40.08 | ahop | Hi! How would you send an email with an attachment *from command-line* ? |
| 20:40.30 | ahop | (I don't have access to mutt unfortunately) |
| 20:40.40 | somiaj | jimbo1qaz: do you want a flashplayer or just the flash plugin? |
| 20:40.45 | jimbo1qaz | not sure |
| 20:40.51 | jimbo1qaz | flash 11.2 is outdated |
| 20:40.53 | somiaj | jimbo1qaz: look at gnash, I think it has a standalone flash player. |
| 20:40.59 | jimbo1qaz | that doesn't work |
| 20:41.03 | somiaj | jimbo1qaz: you won't get enwer than that in iceweasle/firefox in linux. |
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| 20:41.21 | jimbo1qaz | have you heard of... ... ... freshplayer? |
| 20:41.40 | somiaj | jimbo1qaz: use chormium with pepperflashplugin-nonfree or google-chrome for a newer flash (only way). the 11.2 version has full security support and adobe does fix security holes |
| 20:41.50 | Simplar_ | hi, is there a simple IDE for C++ programming for Debian 7.7? Thanks |
| 20:42.47 | jimbo1qaz | I don't like chromium as much |
| 20:43.07 | ahop | somiaj: any idea ? |
| 20:43.10 | somiaj | ahop: not sure the best tool do that. |
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| 20:43.24 | somiaj | there is mailx but I don't see a way to use attachments with that |
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| 20:43.53 | ompaul | Simplar_: you could think of something from the kde gui or gnome gui or emacs it really depends how how much work you are willing to do and need done |
| 20:43.59 | ompaul | Simplar_: I don't know any simple ones |
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| 20:44.15 | ompaul | kdevelop for instance |
| 20:44.31 | Simplar_ | ompaul: I want to code a simple tool based on GTK |
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| 20:45.00 | DrDamnit | During install, I did not opt to setup a network connection. Now that installation is complete, there is not network card (obviously). How do I configure the card to be eth0? (/etc/init.d/interfaces and ifup / ifdown complain eth0 doesn't exist). |
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| 20:45.38 | somiaj | DrDamnit: well you have two differet things goin on. First do you have a network card regeresteed as eth0 (check demsg or /sbin/ifconfig -a) |
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| 20:45.54 | somiaj | DrDamnit: if so you just need to put the correct lines in /etc/network/interfaces to get the ifup/down scripts to work |
| 20:46.48 | Loshki | ahop: what about mailx -a (see man page) |
| 20:46.51 | ompaul | Simplar_: I don't know the one for gtk |
| 20:47.53 | somiaj | Loshki: what version of mailx are you looking at, -a is for additional header fileds, can you just specifiy an attachment in the header filed? |
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| 20:50.06 | Loshki | somiaj: my mailx man page (Ubuntu 12.04) says "-a file" -- Attach the given file to the message. What os/version are you running? |
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| 20:50.16 | somiaj | Loshki: this is a #debian support room so I am going off the debian info. but man mailx says -a specify additional header fields on the command line |
| 20:51.46 | DrDamnit | somiaj, dmesg doesn't show an eth0. So, I figured it was missing drivers. lspci | grep -i network shows me an Intel 82578DC. This should use the e1000e driver. So, modprobe e1000e. But dmesg still doesn't show any ethX |
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| 20:51.47 | somiaj | DrDamnit: what about /sbin/ifconfig -a. Maybe you need some firmware or something else to get support for that card. |
| 20:51.47 | somiaj | DrDamnit: can you give me the pciid of the card from lspci -n |
| 20:51.57 | somiaj | DrDamnit: can you give me the pciid of the card from lspci -nv |
| 20:51.57 | Loshki | somiaj: unusual, as ubuntu is a debian derivative. There must be another way to add an attachment. In the end, it's all just text... |
| 20:52.30 | somiaj | Loshki: sure but we here try to support the use of debian as you see there are differences, seems there are different versions or providers of mailx on our systems. |
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| 20:54.01 | DrDamnit | ifconfig -a only shows lo. pciid of card = 00:19.0 (I think...) |
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| 20:54.28 | somiaj | DrDamnit: okay lets get your exact network card. what is the pciid |
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| 20:54.42 | somiaj | DrDamnit: that isn't a pciid, it should be a 4digit hex number followed by a 4 digit hex number |
| 20:54.43 | somiaj | DrDamnit: xxxx:yyyy |
| 20:54.54 | DrDamnit | somiaj, OK. Let me find that for you. |
| 20:55.04 | Loshki | somiaj: I'm unable to make mailx cough up a version number. Sorry... |
| 20:55.11 | DrDamnit | somiaj, dmesg complains that 0000:00:19.0 failed with error -3 |
| 20:55.34 | somiaj | Loshki: it might be the package that provides mailx |
| 20:55.34 | somiaj | Loshki: but this isn't a debian support question so I'm not interested. |
| 20:55.42 | somiaj | DrDamnit: nope, look at lspci -nv |
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| 20:56.07 | DrDamnit | somiaj, 8086:10f0 |
| 20:56.34 | somiaj | ,pciid 8086:10f0 |
| 20:56.34 | judd | [8086:10f0] is '82578DC Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10f0 |
| 20:56.52 | somiaj | DrDamnit: that makes me think that card is not supported in wheezy, you may have to get a 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports to support that card |
| 20:57.04 | Loshki | somiaj: it's not a debian support question? ahop will be surprised... |
| 20:57.19 | somiaj | Loshki: comparing the version/provider of mailx on debian to ubuntu is not. |
| 20:57.35 | DrDamnit | somiaj, that would make some sense. Where is the howto for wheezy backports? |
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| 20:57.48 | somiaj | DrDamnit: since you don't have a network card this will take some work |
| 20:57.59 | DrDamnit | somiaj, Or would it be simplier to put an older card in there... :-) |
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| 20:58.57 | somiaj | DrDamnit: if you could put an older card in there it would work, or you could go to packages.debian.org and download the linux-image and various wheezy-backports depends (thinking the initrd-tools might be one) from wheezy backports, and copy the .debs over to that machine and install them |
| 20:58.58 | DrDamnit | somiaj, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10f0 says that this is supported in 2.6.31. |
| 21:00.20 | Loshki | somiaj: nevertheless, ahop asked how send an email with an attachment *from command-line*, and so far, there is no answer for debian. If comparing version/provider leads to a solution on debian, it's seems legitimate for this channel. |
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| 21:01.05 | somiaj | DrDamnit: oh I missread it. Well for some reason it is not detecting that card, unsure if a newer kernel will work or not. But the end result is your machine is not correctly detecting that network card for some reason |
| 21:02.01 | somiaj | Loshki: well what is the output of dpkg -S mailx |
| 21:02.14 | somiaj | Loshki: my guess is it is mailutils package not bsd-mailx providng that |
| 21:02.16 | Loshki | somiaj: Ubuntu dpkg -S mailx says it belongs to heirloom-mailx. Does debian have such a package? |
| 21:03.11 | somiaj | Loshki: debian provides that with bsd-mailx which is just a different package/provider of that command. He would need to install some other tool such as mailutils on his machine to get that feature |
| 21:04.11 | DrDamnit | somiaj, so I should pretty much scrap this nic, and use something else or donate hours of my personal time to try and fix it? |
| 21:04.11 | somiaj | ahh there is also heirloom-mailx. issue is both that package and the mailtuils package are optional and the bsd-mailx (minimilistic version) is standard and the only one he may have installed by default. |
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| 21:04.31 | Loshki | somiaj: agreed. Also, if you know your rfcs well enough, you can construct an email with an attachment by hand, and send it via any mail program. |
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| 21:05.30 | Loshki | ahop: ^^^ this is for you |
| 21:05.38 | somiaj | Loshki: my guess is if you knew the correct email header for the accatchment you could do it with the default mailx version in debian but I am not that savy on what would be needed there and was hoping to have a feature like you mentioned. |
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| 21:06.15 | somiaj | DrDamnit: yea I'm not sure what the issue would be, I would have to look more closely at dmesg or the bios. If you have another nic you can plug in at this point it might be easier. Depends on what you want to do |
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| 21:08.02 | Loshki | somiaj: so does the debian heirloom-mailx contain "-a" and does that version handle attachments? |
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| 21:08.35 | somiaj | Loshki: my guess is it does, but it is not installed by default and if he can't install mutt he might not be able to install another mailx program. |
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| 21:10.38 | Alex-Musicman | ,pciid 1002:6610 |
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| 21:10.39 | judd | [1002:6610] is 'Oland XT [Radeon HD 8670 / R7 250]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6610 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:11.50 | somiaj | seems snd-hda-intel supports every device on wheezy...haha. |
| 21:12.16 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: you will probably need a kernel from wheezy-backports for the radeon drivers for that, you can also get fglrx from there as well if you want non-free |
| 21:13.12 | wolfmitchell | is it possible to both connect to an access point and host an access point at the same time on one wifi card? |
| 21:13.13 | wolfmitchell | lol |
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| 21:14.06 | cra1g321 | what's the best tool to use for putting jessie ISO onto a usb pen drive ? |
| 21:14.06 | Alex-Musicman | I installed the driver from AMD website.. I got some dmesg errors.. but the rest is ok |
| 21:14.06 | somiaj | cra1g321: cat |
| 21:14.07 | somiaj | cra1g321: or cp |
| 21:14.07 | cra1g321 | back when i usd wheezy i used unetbootin |
| 21:14.09 | somiaj | cra1g321: that is a terrible tool and always has been |
| 21:14.44 | cra1g321 | i mean to making it bootable, not just a simple copy of the iso over |
| 21:14.44 | somiaj | cra1g321: from a linux (or *nix system) just cp fiile.iso /dev/sdb (asssuming /dev/sdb is the pendrive, make sure you point to the right drive) |
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| 21:14.45 | somiaj | debian isos are bootable by default |
| 21:15.06 | cra1g321 | i'm on windows 7 |
| 21:15.06 | Alex-Musicman | well.. now I've OpenGL 4.4 |
| 21:15.07 | somiaj | !usb install |
| 21:15.07 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 21:15.07 | somiaj | cra1g321: then grab the win32diskimager software. |
| 21:15.07 | User_ | I want to install pf kernel from a third party rep, will that mix with the wheezy version of debian' |
| 21:15.23 | cra1g321 | ok thanks somiaj |
| 21:15.24 | somiaj | cra1g321: it is a direct image copy and won't mess up the iso like unetbootin could |
| 21:17.28 | somiaj | User_: you will have to ask the people who made this third party rep if it is designed to work with wheezy or not |
| 21:17.28 | Alex-Musicman | I can run the PCSX2.. that requires OpenGL 3 or higher.. |
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| 21:17.31 | abrotman | User_: we can't answer that, it's not supported here |
| 21:17.31 | User_ | somiaj, generally speaking will the gcc and other libraries that are compiled with a higher version that in stable work with that? |
| 21:17.31 | Alex-Musicman | some games still have slowdowns.. perhaps I need upgrade my emulator |
| 21:17.31 | User_ | abrotman, ck kernel not supported ? |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | User_: try it in a VM, and always have a debian kernel handy |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | didn't think CK supported those patchsets anymore |
| 21:17.33 | User_ | abrotman, ok, what VM you recommend? |
| 21:17.34 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: could be, do you already have the kernel from wheezy-backports installed? |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | User_: the one oyu know how to use |
| 21:17.34 | User_ | abrotman, I see... what would be recommended for the desktop? |
| 21:17.34 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: also are you using the radeon free driver or the fglrx non-free driver? |
| 21:17.53 | Alex-Musicman | somiaj: I'm using realtime kernel.. Because I'm musician and need run VST apps with this kernel.. |
| 21:17.53 | User_ | abrotman, coming from windows user land where I use vmware, but I want to get a sense of what is most used here that is why I asked |
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| 21:18.03 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: what kernel version is this? And where did you get this kernel? |
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| 21:18.57 | Alex-Musicman | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:18.58 | AR45 | wow |
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| 21:19.27 | Alex-Musicman | I don't remember.. maybe from debian repo |
| 21:19.51 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: you should get that same kernel but from wheezy-backports |
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| 21:19.58 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 21:19.59 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-rt-amd64' was found in i386. |
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| 21:20.50 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: give me a second, see if I can locate the kernel image |
| 21:21.37 | Alex-Musicman | I already have backports in my source.list |
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| 21:22.35 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: seems they don't make that kernel varity in jessie and backports anymore, maybe the PREEMPT_RT is now default |
| 21:24.16 | Alex-Musicman | hm.... |
| 21:24.17 | somiaj | yea I'm not seeing a backport realtime kernel made in jessie and thus in backorts. I'm unsure if this is because they are not needed to be a seperate kernel anymore or not |
| 21:24.17 | somiaj | you could try to install the backport kernel and see if it works |
| 21:24.18 | somiaj | it won't take away your current kernel so you can always go back. |
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| 21:25.59 | Alex-Musicman | I'm wheezy user |
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| 21:26.49 | Alex-Musicman | somiaj: do you know some workable wine 64 bit repository for wheezy? |
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| 21:27.06 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: yes but backport kernels are form jessie. Anyways seems the PREMEPT_RT project is deadish. Their wiki doesn't include an update since 2013, and they haven't made the paches for any kernel newer than 3.4. I'm unsure if this means people are happy with the newer kernels and don't need this additional patch set or it just isn't supported any more |
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| 21:27.17 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: make your own wine package is the easiest way for wine in wheezy |
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| 21:28.21 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: so for your radeon card you will want a newer kernel. But for your PREMEPT_RT patches you cannot use a newer kernel. So now you have a choice, and maybe the newer kernels latancy is good enough that the comunity doens't see reason to continue to make this additional patchset |
| 21:28.22 | Alex-Musicman | hm... |
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| 21:29.53 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: http://lwn.net/Articles/617140/ -- yea seems the guy supporting that patchset on longer has the time and no one has steped in to take the place making it basically non-existant after 3.2 |
| 21:30.20 | Alex-Musicman | well.. in the common kernel, you haven't the realtime option in jack app |
| 21:31.37 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: again I suggest trying the 3.16 kernel from backports. Some of the stuff has made it into the mainline kernel, but maybe not everything. |
| 21:31.57 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: the worst case is you discover that support is not there and then may have to think about what to do when you upgrade to jessie as this patch set seems to have little support right now. |
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| 21:36.45 | Alex-Musicman | somiaj: then I just add the jessie backport in my wheezy source.list and upgrade my kernel? |
| 21:36.45 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: no you use the wheezy-backports you already have in your sources.list and isntall the kernel from there |
| 21:36.50 | Alex-Musicman | ah |
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| 21:37.57 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 21:37.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 21:38.09 | somiaj | Alex-Musicman: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.3-amd64 (that should work, you may also want to install the linux-headers of the same version) |
| 21:38.32 | AR45 | http://pastebin.com/mcFhmCkp |
| 21:38.39 | Alex-Musicman | k |
| 21:38.52 | AR45 | LANGUAGE and LC_ALL aren't set how can I do so? |
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| 21:39.07 | somiaj | AR45: dpkg-reconfigure locaes |
| 21:39.10 | somiaj | locales |
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| 21:39.51 | somiaj | AR45: oh I see, nevermind, why do you need those set, the LANG and LC_foo types are set correctly it seems |
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| 21:41.13 | srged | how do I see my Video Device Name for the builtin webcam ? |
| 21:41.13 | AR45 | somiaj: some of my chars are blocks |
| 21:41.14 | somiaj | AR45: what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 21:41.14 | AR45 | somiaj: I believe xterm |
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| 21:41.23 | somiaj | AR45: try uxterm |
| 21:41.24 | teraflops | AR45: may be font related or the lack unicode support |
| 21:41.30 | Alex-Musicman | my printer cannon ip2000 stoped to print, after some apps upgrades... I don't know what happened, but the docs are arrested in the cups queue.. |
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| 21:41.58 | thalos | AR45: Set the desired env variables for locales in /etc/default/locale |
| 21:42.13 | somiaj | xterm doens't support unicode by default, uxterm (also provided by the xterm package so you have it installed) will support unicode |
| 21:42.14 | teraflops | lack of* |
| 21:42.19 | AR45 | thalos: seems to be set already |
| 21:42.36 | AR45 | teraflops, perhaps font related eh |
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| 21:44.22 | teraflops | AR45: may be you dont have the porper font for the glyphs are you trying to use, anyway yo didnt say what chars are missing |
| 21:44.22 | somiaj | teraflops: or he just needs to as I suggest run uxterm |
| 21:44.27 | teraflops | somiaj: yep sure |
| 21:44.32 | teraflops | somiaj: not only xterm btw ... heh |
| 21:44.58 | somiaj | oh yea may old termernisl don't support unicidoe, but he said he was using xterm and uxterm is also provided by the same package |
| 21:45.06 | teraflops | terminator xfce-terminal gnome-termina urxvt ... |
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| 21:45.46 | somiaj | oh yea plenty of choices. (: |
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| 21:56.42 | brokencycle | hi! what would be a good, but cheap, debian laptop? nothing fancy, only needed as a portable remote console (ssh + friends), simple web browsing, simple networking)? reliability is also important |
| 21:57.12 | wols_ | a used Thinkpad T or X series. T60 upwards. very cheap |
| 21:57.18 | wols_ | usually 100$ and up |
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| 22:08.51 | gnoid | xterm supported unicode |
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| 22:10.26 | User_ | https://packages.debian.org/nl/wheezy/task-xfce-desktop |
| 22:10.30 | gnoid | I use xterm from mail repo, everything works fine |
| 22:10.40 | gnoid | *main |
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| 22:30.29 | ahlias | Hi! I've been unable to build my nvidia DKMS module since an upgrade a week ago. I get this error: "/media/hdd/usr/src/linux-headers-3.16-3-common/scripts/Makefile.extrawarn: No such file or directory" and I haven't been able to find someone with a problem quite like mine. I use Debian testing sources. If you could point me in the right direction (or any direction since I feel quite at loss) I'd very much appreciate it :-) |
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| 22:32.50 | AR45 | hmph |
| 22:33.05 | AR45 | trying to enable xterm-256color |
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| 22:33.21 | AR45 | I created ~/.Xresources |
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| 22:33.54 | AR45 | with XTerm*termName: xterm-256color |
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| 22:36.13 | teraflops | AR45: why dont you set set on your profile |
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| 22:36.43 | AR45 | teraflops: http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/term-strings/ |
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| 22:37.20 | teraflops | sorry AR45 but ... why dont you set it on your profile? :P |
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| 22:37.50 | AR45 | teraflops: I'm not certain how to. That's why. |
| 22:38.01 | AR45 | teraflops: I googled and found this guide and tried following it |
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| 22:38.07 | AR45 | teraflops: hasn't worked out |
| 22:38.13 | AR45 | teraflops: still looking for a solution |
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| 22:38.41 | teraflops | AR45: I setup the $TERM var on serveral *nix systems since time ago never got any issue |
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| 22:39.05 | AR45 | teraflops: in which file do I set it? |
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| 22:39.26 | teraflops | AR45: do you use bash? |
| 22:39.34 | AR45 | ah bashrc |
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| 22:42.53 | teraflops | AR45: just `TERM=vt100` and be sure you export as in `export TERM` |
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| 22:43.14 | teraflops | sorry change vt for your one |
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| 22:45.45 | AR45 | teraflops: export TERM=xterm-256colors |
| 22:46.07 | teraflops | AR45: yeah whatever |
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| 22:46.30 | michael3 | k works |
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| 22:51.53 | Moopie | Hi ! Why ,after the freeze of Jessie, there is no codeblocks in repo ?? |
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| 22:53.23 | nkuttler | ,v codeblocks |
| 22:53.24 | judd | Package: codeblocks on i386 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; wheezy-backports: 13.12-1~bpo70+1; sid: 13.12-3 |
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| 22:54.10 | nkuttler | Moopie: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/codeblocks |
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| 22:57.58 | Moopie | any newer news from 31 07 ? |
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| 22:59.30 | hypermist | how to changes a folders permissions ? |
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| 23:00.36 | teraflops | hypermist: ^ |
| 23:00.53 | hypermist | what ? |
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| 23:02.27 | Moopie | try 'man chmod' |
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| 23:03.14 | Moopie | and if you change a folder permission, use the option -R for recursive |
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| 23:03.38 | sydney | I just tried installing the nvidia proprietary drivers, and now i am stuck in a console. tty7 has just a blinking white cursor. I followed the directions to the letter. Can someone help me? |
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| 23:07.05 | Moopie | of course, you just need to configure you /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:07.17 | sydney | I did that too. |
| 23:07.27 | lyonsb | somethign like nvidia-xconfig? |
| 23:07.44 | Moopie | What's your Debian release ? |
| 23:07.47 | sydney | I did what the debian wiki said. |
| 23:07.49 | sydney | 7 |
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| 23:08.32 | Moopie | what's your graphic card ? |
| 23:08.51 | sydney | Geforce 7300 LE. It is listed as suported. |
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| 23:09.19 | sydney | Can i double check ect/x11/xorg.conf? How do i do that? |
| 23:09.36 | Moopie | pastebin your xorg.conf ;) |
| 23:09.48 | sydney | How do i do it in a tty? |
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| 23:10.22 | sydney | i know how to use irssi and links, and update, but thats about it. |
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| 23:11.18 | Moopie | it's harder in tty :P |
| 23:11.30 | sydney | Yep :) |
| 23:11.50 | Moopie | Did you blacklist nouveau ? |
| 23:11.57 | teraflops | sydney: http://sprunge.us/ |
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| 23:12.13 | sydney | Was i suposed to? I thought it did that automatically? |
| 23:12.25 | sydney | Moopie: :) |
| 23:12.27 | Moopie | do 'update-initramfs -u' in root |
| 23:13.00 | Moopie | then check the xorg.conf if it's look like the wiki |
| 23:13.06 | Moopie | and reboot ;) |
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| 23:14.20 | sydney | Moopie: How do i check the .conf file in tty? |
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| 23:15.10 | Moopie | use cat or nano |
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| 23:15.25 | Moopie | to do simple |
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| 23:16.01 | sydney | oh, ok |
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| 23:16.45 | Moopie | if all is good, reboot, then recheck a gui |
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| 23:18.13 | sydney | Give me a min... |
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| 23:18.56 | Moopie | yes of course :P |
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| 23:22.04 | sydney | Ugg, that didnt fix anything. But i didnt find the xorg.conf file either. |
| 23:22.14 | sydney | I did see the one it created earlier though. |
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| 23:23.28 | sydney | Moopie: What should i try next? What would i put in the xorg.conf file? |
| 23:23.41 | sydney | Shouldnt there already be a xorg.conf file? |
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| 23:25.19 | User_ | sydney, there is no automatic tool that set things up for you? |
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| 23:25.48 | sydney | It made an xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file |
| 23:26.04 | sydney | User_: I dont think so. |
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| 23:27.24 | sydney | Maybe it didnt get blacklisted corectly. |
| 23:27.26 | User_ | sydney, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
| 23:27.40 | sydney | I cannot open links. |
| 23:28.04 | User_ | i only catched the part that there is a configuration problem |
| 23:28.14 | User_ | what is not working for you? |
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| 23:28.38 | Moopie | there is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ? |
| 23:28.58 | sydney | I installed the nvidia drivers, following their directions, and now im stuck with a blinking cursor. So im talking in a tty curently. |
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| 23:29.17 | sydney | Moopie: It made that one. |
| 23:29.23 | sydney | the second one |
| 23:29.24 | User_ | you did not use a *.deb ? |
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| 23:29.30 | sydney | no? |
| 23:30.00 | sydney | I never knew they came in .deb |
| 23:30.01 | User_ | any reason? |
| 23:30.05 | User_ | i see |
| 23:30.13 | User_ | you can add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:30.19 | User_ | and then apt-get update and install the driver |
| 23:30.45 | User_ | sydney, are you using wheezy? |
| 23:30.51 | Moopie | i didn't understand, do a ls -a /etc/X11 and a ls -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 23:30.54 | sydney | I already added the non-free one. |
| 23:31.02 | User_ | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 23:31.15 | sydney | Yes, i added that one. |
| 23:31.16 | User_ | aptitude update && aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') |
| 23:31.22 | sydney | did |
| 23:31.26 | User_ | aptitude -t wheezy-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 23:31.54 | sydney | up, did i do that? |
| 23:31.58 | sydney | um* |
| 23:32.15 | sydney | Let me try what you said... |
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| 23:32.52 | User_ | As the nvidia driver is not autodetected by Xorg, a configuration file is required to be supplied. |
| 23:33.01 | User_ | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 23:33.06 | User_ | echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 23:33.25 | User_ | also when switching to proprietary driver, it is highly |
| 23:33.25 | User_ | recommended to reboot |
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| 23:33.35 | sydney | I did all that!! |
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| 23:34.36 | Moopie | did you remove the old conf file or part in xorg.conf ? |
| 23:34.47 | sydney | no |
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| 23:35.01 | Refia | is there an easy way to find out what hardware will run debian with the least configuration problems? I'm trying to determine how hard it will be to switch on my system |
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| 23:35.17 | sydney | Moopie: Sould i boot from a live cd? |
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| 23:35.55 | sydney | Moopie: And do my stuff from a live cd? |
| 23:36.15 | teraflops | Refia: the easy way is using a live cd or a second hdd |
| 23:36.35 | teraflops | Refia: debian has a live-cd |
| 23:36.37 | Refia | i just meant like |
| 23:36.41 | Refia | are there any rules for like |
| 23:36.49 | Refia | hardware i should stay away from in general |
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| 23:37.04 | Refia | I'm due for an upgrade, so I'm trying to figure out what not to use |
| 23:37.13 | sydney | Moopie User_ Let me boot a live cd, then you can ask me questions |
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| 23:37.25 | teraflops | Refia: why bothering with that just being able to boot with no harm usig the live-cd? just asking |
| 23:37.44 | Refia | I mean that I won't be able to tell before i get it how well it'll work |
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| 23:38.12 | Refia | using my current configuration would just tell me my current hardware can run it fine |
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| 23:40.52 | teraflops | Refia: youll never know that 100% sure until you use it |
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| 23:41.44 | Refia | do most things work fine without proprietary drivers? I'm new to linux in general |
| 23:42.12 | teraflops | oh connix |
| 23:42.19 | teraflops | do not spam me |
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| 23:43.15 | teraflops | Refia: i think so |
| 23:43.18 | sydney | user_ |
| 23:43.22 | Refia | ok, thanks |
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| 23:43.29 | sydney | Can anyone help me? |
| 23:43.40 | sydney | Since my help vacated the premises. |
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| 23:50.28 | mns | in bash: ls [a-z]*.txt should list only files starting with a lower case letter, yes ? |
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