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| 00:14.47 | doebi | why is windows such a piece of shit? |
| 00:15.01 | Disconsented | Because it isn't? |
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| 00:28.26 | sydney | Should i just reinstall? |
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| 00:30.16 | sydney | Is anyone available who can help me with a graphics driver issue? I tried installing the nvidia drivers, but am stuck with a blinking cursor. |
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| 00:30.25 | mtn | !tell sydney about ask |
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| 00:32.38 | sydney | Ok, so i installed Nvidia drivers, exactly like the wiki told me, and Now i am just stuck with a blinking cursor. Everything looks like it is set corectly, but i never see lightdm show up. WHat can i do to fix this? |
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| 00:33.54 | lyonsb | Just reinstalling is never really a solution. |
| 00:34.00 | lyonsb | it usually just puts off the problem. |
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| 00:34.31 | lyonsb | so what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log look like? Can you pastebin it? |
| 00:34.33 | lyonsb | !pastebin |
| 00:34.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 00:37.26 | lyonsb | You can grep for EE and just pastebin those if you'd like. |
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| 00:37.44 | sydney | How do i do that? Since im stuck in a tty. |
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| 00:38.28 | lyonsb | Try curl -F 'sprunge=@/var/log/Xorg.0.log' http://sprunge.us |
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| 00:38.40 | lyonsb | That'll return a link that you can paste (or type easily) into irc. |
| 00:38.45 | sydney | ok |
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| 00:40.18 | sydney | curl: command not found. |
| 00:41.03 | sydney | installing curl. |
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| 00:42.28 | sydney | lyonsb: http://sprunge.us/TODj |
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| 00:45.36 | thoonai | heyho |
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| 00:46.27 | lyonsb | Are you using vers. 304 or some other version? |
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| 00:46.44 | thoonai | I have a process called "tracker-miner-fs" and its running on one core for 30 Minutes on 100% load. |
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| 00:47.15 | lyonsb | what happens if you kill it? |
| 00:47.17 | thoonai | I already read that it has to do with file indexing and torrent stuff, but I'm not sure if I should remove the package |
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| 00:47.32 | lyonsb | > : ) |
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| 00:47.43 | thoonai | lyonsb: was your comment for me? |
| 00:47.46 | lyonsb | yah. |
| 00:47.51 | thoonai | ok |
| 00:48.02 | zerodrama | anyone know what anon auth means in gajim? |
| 00:48.09 | lyonsb | did something 'splode? |
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| 00:48.22 | user_ | guys i just installed wheezy |
| 00:48.27 | user_ | I can not hear sound |
| 00:48.29 | user_ | help |
| 00:48.40 | user_ | runnig xfce |
| 00:48.47 | thoonai | yeah I'm wondering, I thought zeitgeist is the file indexing daemon at least on ubuntu it was |
| 00:48.55 | sydney | lyonsb: Did you find anything out besides that the module didnt load? |
| 00:49.22 | mtn | user_: look at sound settings, pavucontrol and alsamixer (command line app) |
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| 00:50.07 | user_ | which package is pavucontrol in? |
| 00:50.20 | thoonai | lyonsb: yeah I just killed it, and now my machine is silent again |
| 00:50.26 | mtn | user_: oddly enough, the pavucontrol package |
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| 00:50.38 | thoonai | but what does tracker-miner-fs really does? |
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| 00:51.19 | lyonsb | sydney, nope, and I don't know why it isn't loading. |
| 00:51.41 | lyonsb | you could paste dmesg as well, see if I notice something you don't -- but my guess is that it's something like "Module vers. mismatch" |
| 00:51.50 | user_ | mtn worked with alsamixer |
| 00:51.52 | sydney | ;( |
| 00:51.59 | mtn | user_: good |
| 00:52.20 | user_ | mtn, but where is the sound icon in xfce to adjust volume? and how do I fix the fonts ? it is soo different coming from windows |
| 00:52.35 | sydney | lyonsb: How do i post that to you? |
| 00:52.39 | lyonsb | You installed nvidia drivers onto wheezy from the wheezy repositories, yes sydny? |
| 00:52.47 | user_ | mtn do i have to run alsamixer each bootup? |
| 00:52.53 | lyonsb | uhh, same as above |
| 00:52.58 | mtn | user_: you can add aplets to the panel by right clicking on the panel. there should be something to control fonts in your system settings |
| 00:53.14 | sydney | lyonsb: Yes, the wheezy backports, like it said. |
| 00:53.19 | sydney | the wiki said |
| 00:53.21 | mtn | user_: no, the changes alsamixer made should stay |
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| 00:53.25 | lyonsb | Try dmesg | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 00:54.39 | lyonsb | you restarted fresh after installing right? |
| 00:54.54 | sydney | lyonsb: yep. |
| 00:55.13 | user_ | mtn how much should DPI be? |
| 00:55.18 | sydney | I didnt get anything out of that code. |
| 00:55.57 | lyonsb | you could also use that method to paste your xorg.conf |
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| 00:56.24 | sydney | Oh theree. |
| 00:56.44 | sydney | http://sprunge.us/fjfi |
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| 00:57.18 | sydney | lyonsb: This debian install doesnt have a xorg.conf file. |
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| 00:57.47 | lyonsb | Well, step 5 on the wiki says "Create an Xorg server configuration file" |
| 00:57.58 | sydney | Yep, and i did it. |
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| 00:58.09 | lyonsb | Well those two statements are totally contradictory. |
| 00:58.25 | lyonsb | How about you paste the file you created? |
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| 00:58.50 | lyonsb | my fault for not being specific, that is a xorg configuration file but not a xorg.conf file. |
| 00:59.11 | lyonsb | Okay you see, your dmesg says . . . |
| 00:59.23 | lyonsb | [ 33.292750] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE GPU installed in this system is |
| 00:59.24 | lyonsb | [ 33.292752] NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 304.xx Legacy drivers. |
| 00:59.32 | lyonsb | And your xorg says. |
| 00:59.36 | sydney | Yep : |
| 00:59.39 | sydney | Up |
| 00:59.41 | sydney | um* |
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| 00:59.59 | sydney | How would i post that again. Ugg, sorry. |
| 01:00.21 | lyonsb | [ 33.059] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 319.82 Sun Dec 29 23:17:58 PST 2013 |
| 01:00.36 | sydney | Yep, so i compiled the wrong driver. shoot. |
| 01:00.42 | lyonsb | Well, kind of. |
| 01:00.47 | lyonsb | Just incorrect version. |
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| 01:01.03 | sydney | How do i fix that? ;) |
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| 01:01.12 | lyonsb | Try using the instructions for 304.117 |
| 01:01.26 | lyonsb | Totally easy to fix. |
| 01:01.42 | sydney | But, dont i have to remove the 3.19 one? |
| 01:01.57 | srruby | I have a minimal debian box with xserver-xorg jwm and xinit. Is there anyway to apt-get install gnome-terminal without getting (it seems) all of gnome ? |
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| 01:04.16 | lyonsb | they should conflict, so you should be prompted. |
| 01:04.18 | user1 | I have to external usb harddrives. Both ntfs, I can access "external 1" but I can not access "external 2" |
| 01:04.18 | AR45 | srruby: just use xterm |
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| 01:04.42 | lyonsb | And you can just remove the other one anyway. |
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| 01:06.37 | sydney | lyonsb: I cannot see the whole line for installing the right kernel version on the wiki. What is on the end of the 3.04 version kernel install line? |
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| 01:06.37 | lyonsb | the line is: |
| 01:06.37 | lyonsb | aptitude -t wheezy-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:06.37 | sydney | Where did that one come from? |
| 01:06.38 | lyonsb | which doesn't have a version interestingly enough |
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| 01:07.06 | sydney | aptitude -install linux-headers-$ line |
| 01:07.44 | lyonsb | You should probably aptitude search nvidia-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 01:07.47 | lyonsb | wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:08.08 | lyonsb | On jessie it would be nvidia-legacy-304 etc. |
| 01:08.22 | lyonsb | it is a search so youc an probably just search for nvidia-304 |
| 01:08.23 | lyonsb | and that'll show you a list |
| 01:08.23 | sydney | ok |
| 01:08.37 | lyonsb | pick the 304 kernel-dkms part. |
| 01:10.14 | sydney | No results. |
| 01:10.16 | lyonsb | huh |
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| 01:12.20 | lyonsb | I'll look it up. |
| 01:12.22 | thoonai | lyonsb: I sigtermed it so I look forward to the next login ;) |
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| 01:12.28 | thoonai | lyonsb: thx ;) |
| 01:12.32 | lyonsb | Heh, sure. |
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| 01:14.26 | lyonsb | Okay on wheezy . . . |
| 01:14.30 | lyonsb | did you enable backports repository? |
| 01:14.30 | lyonsb | wait, no, I know the answer to that already, 'yes' |
| 01:14.30 | sydney | yes. |
| 01:14.31 | lyonsb | just grab nvidia-glx |
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| 01:14.33 | lyonsb | or nvidia-kernel-amd64 |
| 01:14.33 | lyonsb | or nvidia-kernel-dkms from the wheezy repository. |
| 01:14.33 | lyonsb | (NOT backports) |
| 01:14.33 | srruby | AR45: Thanks. |
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| 01:14.52 | sydney | then what? (nvidia-glx) |
| 01:14.52 | lyonsb | nah you should get the dkms too |
| 01:14.53 | sydney | already have it. |
| 01:14.53 | lyonsb | nvidia-kernel-dkms in the std wheezy repository (which is different from, it is NOT wheezy-backports) |
| 01:15.12 | lyonsb | No, you don't, if you had the packages I was referring to, it would show module vers. 304 in your dmesg. |
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| 01:16.13 | lyonsb | I don't know how to further emphasize that it's from the wheezy repository -- NOT wheezy backports. |
| 01:16.14 | sydney | how do i fix that then? |
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| 01:17.17 | sydney | I am confused. |
| 01:17.23 | lyonsb | you could disable the backports repository, or you could . . apt-get -t wheezy nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:17.38 | lyonsb | might have gotten that off. |
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| 01:17.52 | lyonsb | might have forgotten syntax on that one. |
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| 01:18.31 | sydney | What? That did nothing? |
| 01:18.32 | hypermist | I cannot update my java .-. |
| 01:20.23 | sydney | You want to remove it? |
| 01:20.24 | hypermist | I want to install a newer version |
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| 01:20.25 | abrotman | hypermist: from what to what? |
| 01:20.25 | sydney | lyonsb: |
| 01:20.25 | lyonsb | Sydney, you used aptitude -t wheezy-backports to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms before right? |
| 01:20.25 | hypermist | i want it from jre6 to 7 |
| 01:20.25 | sydney | lyonsb: No |
| 01:20.26 | sydney | Well, i dont think so. |
| 01:20.27 | sydney | Wait, yes |
| 01:20.27 | lyonsb | It's a tad odd, usually pulling something from backports has to have the -t switch. |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | hypermist: and which version of linux is this? |
| 01:21.06 | hypermist | how can i tell ? |
| 01:21.06 | lyonsb | sydney, okay cool. |
| 01:21.13 | lyonsb | aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:21.13 | lyonsb | first |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | hypermist: lsb_release -a is a good start |
| 01:21.17 | hypermist | wheezy 7.7 |
| 01:21.17 | hypermist | wheezy 7.6 * |
| 01:21.17 | lyonsb | (uname -a may also be useful) |
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| 01:21.27 | lyonsb | (not in this context, just in general) |
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| 01:24.12 | sydney | It is fussing that if i remove them, there will be unmet dependencies for other programs. |
| 01:24.13 | sydney | remove it* |
| 01:24.13 | lyonsb | such as? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | hypermist: did you 'aptitude search openjdk" ? |
| 01:24.15 | lyonsb | hmm, may\be you can just forgo the whole remove/install thing and just go straight for . .. |
| 01:24.16 | sydney | libgl1-nvidia-glx |
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| 01:24.16 | hypermist | i installed the openjdk they told me to inthis tutorial and it didn't update it abrotman |
| 01:24.17 | lyonsb | just try aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms and se if it'll downgrade for you. |
| 01:24.22 | lyonsb | (Altho for you it would be an upgrade) |
| 01:24.23 | sydney | It doesnt do anything. Says nothing needs to be upgraded. |
| 01:24.51 | lyonsb | aptitude install --reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 01:25.23 | lyonsb | You understand what I'm asking you to do right? |
| 01:25.33 | sydney | It says it doesnt have super cow powers. running as root. |
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| 01:26.01 | lyonsb | yeah apt-get has the super-cow powers. |
| 01:26.24 | sydney | kindof. Not really. |
| 01:27.10 | sydney | WHat are you asking me to do? |
| 01:27.12 | hypermist | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 58 not upgraded. |
| 01:27.12 | hypermist | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.12 | lyonsb | I'm asking you to install a package from the standard wheezy repositories, in a way that clobbers the package from wheezy-backports repositories. |
| 01:27.13 | sydney | So... I get that much. |
| 01:27.21 | sydney | So, i need to use apt-get? |
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| 01:29.35 | lyonsb | Aptitude and apt-get are relatively similar from the command line. |
| 01:29.36 | lyonsb | apt-cache search is probably faster than aptitude search, and apt-get install is usually the cmd people us. |
| 01:29.37 | lyonsb | aptitude on it's own gives you a nice ncurses interface |
| 01:29.37 | sydney | So, what do you want me to do? ;) |
| 01:29.38 | lyonsb | with some relatively common editor idioms, like slash = search, modal opperation etc. |
| 01:29.38 | lyonsb | just stuff. |
| 01:29.38 | abrotman | hypermist: and? |
| 01:29.38 | lyonsb | uhhh . . .well did it install using aptitude? |
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| 01:30.14 | lyonsb | I mean, when you tried aptitude install --reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms -- what did it say? did it install? or did it say "already installed . ." etc? |
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| 01:31.20 | hypermist | aboman, and it didn't update ? |
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| 01:33.14 | abrotman | hypermist: did you actually install the package? |
| 01:33.21 | hypermist | no |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | that might help |
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| 01:41.47 | lyonsb | sydney, ya there? |
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| 01:43.41 | sydney | Yeah, got busy, sorry. |
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| 01:45.23 | sydney | lyonsb: It says that it does not have super cow powers. it doesnt do anything. |
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| 01:46.25 | sydney | lyonsb: Should i try apt-get? |
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| 01:46.26 | lyonsb | sure |
| 01:47.16 | sydney | working... |
| 01:50.04 | sydney | There,installed. |
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| 01:57.31 | sydney | Now what? |
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| 01:58.46 | sydney | lyonsb: |
| 01:58.47 | lyonsb | my guess is try resetting. You might want to check the version . . . |
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| 01:58.50 | sydney | lyonsb: How do i do that? ;) |
| 01:58.50 | lyonsb | are you for real? |
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| 01:58.51 | sydney | lyonsb: Or, should i reinstall my pc? |
| 01:58.52 | lyonsb | Hey I've got to go. |
| 01:58.52 | sydney | Oh :( |
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| 01:58.52 | lyonsb | So use google. |
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| 01:58.53 | sydney | Well, thank you for your help :) |
| 01:58.54 | lyonsb | And figure out the diffference between apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package> and apt-get install <package> |
| 01:58.54 | lyonsb | Here's a link: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:58.54 | sydney | Do you think i should just reinstall? |
| 01:58.54 | sydney | Thanks. |
| 01:58.54 | lyonsb | No. |
| 01:58.54 | lyonsb | I do not. |
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| 01:58.55 | lyonsb | Your problem is so easy to fix. |
| 01:58.55 | lyonsb | Really, it's just a matter of installing the correct version of the package. |
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| 01:58.55 | sydney | I just need to remove the old nvidia packages, and install the 3.04 ones? |
| 01:58.56 | lyonsb | 304. |
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| 01:58.56 | lyonsb | 304.xx |
| 01:58.56 | lyonsb | Yeah. |
| 01:58.56 | sydney | But, then again, i dont know the code to remove them all :( |
| 01:58.56 | lyonsb | man aptitude |
| 01:58.56 | lyonsb | start there |
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| 01:58.57 | lyonsb | I'd run aptitude remove '~nnvidia' |
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| 01:58.57 | lyonsb | and then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 01:59.07 | lyonsb | and reboot from there. |
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| 01:59.08 | sydney | ok |
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| 01:59.09 | lyonsb | If that didn't work, I would comment out the wheezy-backports in sources.list.d or sources.list |
| 01:59.09 | lyonsb | (located in /etc) |
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| 01:59.10 | sydney | Where is that symbol on the keyboard? :P |
| 01:59.10 | lyonsb | Catch is, if you jsut run every command you read on the internet. |
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| 01:59.10 | sydney | the wavy one. No i try to double check them. |
| 01:59.10 | lyonsb | Its above ` |
| 01:59.10 | lyonsb | shift ` |
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| 01:59.12 | lyonsb | later. |
| 01:59.12 | sydney | Bye!! :) |
| 01:59.13 | lyonsb | Goodbye for now |
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| 02:11.25 | STF | hello i installed php-xml-rpc2 but i cannot find the files, there should be somewhere a xmlrpc.inc file, which seems not to be installed |
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| 02:11.55 | abrotman | STF: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
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| 02:14.23 | STF | abrotman: thx, I still confused, but also a little enlighted |
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| 02:15.52 | sydney | I fixed it!!! :D |
| 02:15.56 | sydney | thanks all!! |
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| 02:20.09 | Feveth | Greetings. Is this the correct place to ask on the ARMv8 port? |
| 02:20.16 | Feveth | I've an eager little Pi. |
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| 02:27.36 | Jedi|Yoda | can i disable (/bin/false) shells for everyone in etc/passwd |
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| 02:27.39 | Jedi|Yoda | except root & me? |
| 02:27.45 | Jedi|Yoda | deamon's etc disable? |
| 02:27.52 | Lewoco | If I do 'aptitude install foo' and the installation fails because the download does not complete, why is the return code `echo $?` still 0? |
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| 02:28.45 | abrotman | Jedi|Yoda: why not? |
| 02:30.52 | Jedi|Yoda | ty :) |
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| 02:31.47 | Feveth | So, is this the correct place to ask on the ARMv8 port? |
| 02:31.51 | Feveth | ie arm64 |
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| 02:33.03 | Goatman | Can I install debian while running in another distro? Iâd like to compile the installer and run it |
| 02:33.28 | Goatman | then ch-root into the new install from said distro |
| 02:33.51 | Feveth | You'd require another partition for that I believe. |
| 02:33.57 | Feveth | That, or be an Unix wizard with limited HDD space. |
| 02:34.10 | Feveth | But it certainly is possible. |
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| 02:34.18 | Feveth | My friend did chroot into a Debian on his HTC Dream once. |
| 02:35.16 | Feveth | And twas an installer he ran from within Android itself, which is, yes, another distribution. |
| 02:35.44 | Feveth | What's the distro you're doing this from, Goatman? |
| 02:36.10 | Goatman | Feveth, the ââpartitionââ will be a dm-crypt plain file with a ext4 filesystem |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:36.17 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 02:36.28 | Goatman | nice |
| 02:36.54 | Feveth | Plain file, you say? Yes, you can chroot into that mount. |
| 02:36.57 | Feveth | That works. |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | Goatman: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | Goatman: or read that wiki link |
| 02:37.38 | Feveth | Yeah, totally should. |
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| 02:38.10 | Goatman | I need the source to compile on Arch linux |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | see teh URL, I believe there's a link |
| 02:38.42 | Goatman | hmm, there is an aur package for debootstrap |
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| 02:39.33 | Goatman | debootstrap is installed |
| 02:39.50 | Feveth | If there's an AUR, install it you do. |
| 02:40.17 | Feveth | Funny enough, the word aur translates into the equivalent of cents here that however are no longer in circulation. |
| 02:40.28 | Feveth | And it seems pretty nice to interpret AUR packages as cents from others. |
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| 02:42.27 | Feveth | Is there a channel for Wine on Freenode? |
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| 02:44.35 | Feveth | #wine is an invite only channel, if that is it. |
| 02:44.59 | jpleau | Feveth: #winehq |
| 02:45.41 | Goatman | Feveth, nice, it is installing now, thanks |
| 02:45.55 | Feveth | Not a problem Goatman. Also thanks jpleau. |
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| 03:03.46 | astings | hello guys i need help |
| 03:03.55 | astings | mysql error 2000 in fedora 20 |
| 03:03.59 | astings | heisenbug |
| 03:04.14 | abrotman | astings: this is #debian |
| 03:04.23 | astings | really? |
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| 03:05.24 | astings | debian is equal to fedora? |
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| 03:05.59 | astings | or i'm wrong? |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | astings: No, we only support Debian here |
| 03:06.08 | Simotek-Work | you are wrong |
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| 03:07.02 | astings | why? |
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| 03:07.25 | abrotman | astings: please use #fedora or ##linux, have a nice day |
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| 03:08.47 | Goatman | Feveth, now, is there an easy way to chroot into the new debian install? |
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| 03:11.41 | Feveth | Wiki guides? |
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| 03:15.04 | Goatman | Iâm getting strange errors, ââls: command not foundââ |
| 03:15.57 | Goatman | however, I can install packages |
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| 03:17.37 | dualbus | Goatman: type -a ls; declare -p PATH |
| 03:19.24 | Goatman | bash: type: ls: not found |
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| 03:20.02 | dualbus | Goatman: and the value of PATH? |
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| 03:20.17 | Goatman | declare -x PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/default/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl" |
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| 03:20.37 | Goatman | no /bin? |
| 03:21.11 | dualbus | Goatman: I don't know, why is it changed? did you modify ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile recently? |
| 03:21.29 | Goatman | No, this is a brand new debootstrapped install from Arch |
| 03:21.42 | Goatman | Iâm trying to use chroot |
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| 03:22.26 | dualbus | Well, for some reason, your shell is starting with an invalid PATH variable |
| 03:22.47 | dualbus | the commands are probably there, but can't find them since your PATH is missing the important directories |
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| 03:23.34 | Goatman | dualbus, adding a user, changing the password, and ./bin/login issued me a shell that works |
| 03:24.20 | Goatman | then su back to root gave me a working root shell |
| 03:24.26 | Astings | friends I'm doing a survey for a school assignment anyone would answer a question? |
| 03:25.16 | CompWizrd | Intel NUC DE3815TYKHE (the Atom E3815 powered one) might be a bit bleeding edge for Wheezy, eh? Video corruption at the console and hangs on "Info will now restart" when i reboot |
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| 03:26.31 | abrotman | Astings: This channel is for debian support |
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| 03:32.04 | Feveth | Hmm. |
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| 03:32.15 | Feveth | Same Astings came here asking about Fedora Heisenbug earlier. |
| 03:32.18 | Feveth | Smells like trolls. |
| 03:32.42 | abrotman | Thanks, figured that out .. |
| 03:32.52 | CompWizrd | for my NUC: - You should stick to BIOS version 0024. The newer BIOS have bug that Linux will be hang on shutdown/reboot. |
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| 03:33.01 | CompWizrd | Joy, I wonder if Intel locks out going backwards on firmware versions. |
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| 03:44.19 | CompWizrd | They don't, but you have to swap a jumper on the board for recovery bios method. </monologue> |
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| 03:48.21 | lasdam | good day all. goal: make openvpn randomly use one config at a time and move on to the next random config when x amount of retries has failed (to establish a successful connection). problem: the config files from the current VPN provider I have contains different certificates (within the config itself), which interferes with the only way I know to make vpn randomly select one config at a time: with one config file using some 'random' option within the config. |
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| 03:57.32 | lasdam | I should perhaps have written 'my current goal' or 'what I need help with'. I see how "goal:" can have been misinterpreted :P |
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| 03:59.45 | neilthereildeil | hey guiys |
| 03:59.51 | neilthereildeil | im trying to encrypt my home directory |
| 03:59.57 | neilthereildeil | im following this guide: |
| 03:59.58 | neilthereildeil | https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder |
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| 04:00.18 | neilthereildeil | after installing encryptfs-utils, i dont have the module encryptfs installed |
| 04:00.21 | neilthereildeil | where can i find that? |
| 04:00.55 | Feveth | Search for it through dpkg. |
| 04:01.07 | Feveth | and, if you can't find it there, there should be some optional Debian repos to enable. |
| 04:01.13 | Feveth | If there are, enable them and search again. |
| 04:01.16 | neilthereildeil | what should i search for? |
| 04:01.21 | Feveth | Still can't find it, attempt a Google of package repositories. |
| 04:01.34 | Feveth | Search for: "*encryptfs*" |
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| 04:01.44 | Feveth | With dpkg. |
| 04:01.58 | Feveth | Returns all matches with encryptfs in any part of the package name. |
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| 04:03.54 | neilthereildeil | what would the command be? |
| 04:04.09 | neilthereildeil | dpkg -L *encryptfs* |
| 04:04.09 | dpkg | ii *encryptfs* 3.1-3.3 neilthereildeil's private porn collection |
| 04:04.11 | neilthereildeil | that didnt work |
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| 04:14.36 | lasdam | anybodt knows how I can make openvpn run one config at a time and move on to the next when connection fails without merging the configs and using some 'random' (openvpn) option? |
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| 04:26.45 | dondelelcaro | lasdam: why not just have one configuration with multiple remote hosts? |
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| 04:28.44 | lasdam | dondelelcaro: because each configuration has its own certificate |
| 04:30.21 | dondelelcaro | that seems kind of suboptimal, but you can probably do something along those lines |
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| 04:32.00 | lasdam | dondelelcaro: along what lines? |
| 04:32.05 | AR45 | I installed pulse audio but no luck when playing yt videos |
| 04:32.10 | dondelelcaro | lasdam: I'd write a script which randomly chose a configuration, and exec'd openvpn, and then use a systemd unit file or similar to make sure that the process was restarted when it failed |
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| 04:34.09 | dondelelcaro | lasdam: or alternatively, you could have the script do something like while true; do for openvpnconf in conf1 conf2 conf3; do openvpn --config $conf1; done; sleep 1s; done; |
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| 04:34.26 | dondelelcaro | s/\$conf1/$openvpnconf/ |
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| 04:36.42 | lasdam | dondelelcaro: ok. I've tried to write one in Perl, but I've had problems with it. I also used killall to end the processes, since I don't know how else to end the processes (I'm a linux newb). hmm... will the openvpn binary die if I specify max retries in the configs or something? in that case I might make it work |
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| 04:44.55 | dondelelcaro | lasdam: yes, if you specify max retries, it will exit. |
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| 04:46.23 | lasdam | dondelelcaro: cool, that helps alot (I forgot about this possibility). thanks |
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| 04:54.12 | dondelelcaro | lasdam: no problem! |
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| 05:34.21 | worker123 | I am experiencing network connections being dropped on a server running Debian Wheezy. One of the network administrators suggested increasing TCP memory. This seems to have resolved the issue. However, cat /proc/net/sockstat shows that the machine is nowhere near the memory thresholds. I'm worried that this might just be a coincidence and that the problem may re-occur. How can I be certain the TCP memory caused the problem ? Thanks. |
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| 05:42.39 | oira | Is it possible to manually recreate a gpt partition table from a list of device names and their sector ranges? So as to, say, keep a system from bricking? |
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| 05:55.53 | rwp | oira, Yes. If you have all of the partition information you can recreate the partition and rescue the system. Just do it. |
| 05:56.30 | rwp | oira, Restoring partitions will not restore the MBR. Need to additionally restore it too. |
| 05:57.39 | Loshki | worker123: you can't be certain unless the problem reoccurs, in which case you will be certain it wasn't caused by TCP memory. You need to do some load testing... |
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| 06:03.41 | oira | rwp: So parted would be a'ight for that? |
| 06:04.15 | oira | rwp: I could just input the appropriate numbers, and everything should click again? |
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| 06:08.04 | rwp | oira, parted would work fine. Yes, if you input the right numbers then it will restore the previous partitions and everything will click again. |
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| 06:11.12 | oira | rwp: That's pretty spectacular. Thanks a bunch. |
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| 06:16.32 | worker123 | Thanks Loshki |
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| 06:22.52 | MarvelDigital | i installed lamp and it was working earlier, but after adding wordpress from the repos, the lamp can't connect, is there a way to have both? or is it one or the other? |
| 06:23.10 | MarvelDigital | i should add: the ip to connect doesn't work, if i use localhost it will connect |
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| 06:43.33 | Simotek-Work | MarvelDigital, you probably want to configure apache to use virtual hosts |
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| 06:49.20 | MarvelDigital | perhaps this is more of an apache question? should i head there instead? |
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| 07:46.48 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | AR45: I figured out it was Firefox that was using incompatible ciphers. |
| 07:47.05 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | It bypasses the systems openssl apparently |
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| 08:14.02 | macrobat | I forgot, what's the way to install debian from within another linux distro? |
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| 08:14.40 | heurist | dpkg: tell macrobat -about debootstrap |
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| 08:17.22 | macrobat | ty |
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| 08:21.44 | MarvelDigital | nevermind, found out my problem...turns out my computer suddenly changed the ip on me...thanks! |
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| 08:56.52 | macrobat | the debootstrap README says "make devices.tar.gz", which fails. do I have to build debootstrap before using it? |
| 08:57.26 | macrobat | running "./debootstrap --help" gives: ./debootstrap: line 22: /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
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| 08:57.42 | macrobat | so it assumes it is installed |
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| 09:05.38 | macrobat | ... unless I set DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR. nevermind |
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| 09:13.36 | paul_grozav | I have a DSL (PPPoE) connection on my linux. And I get this message in /var/log/messages : LCP terminated by peer (user request) What could be the cause? |
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| 09:15.24 | eb0t | link control protocol terminated by peer |
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| 09:15.56 | paul_grozav | eb0t: Yes, with "(user request)" |
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| 09:16.30 | eb0t | are you downloading heavily or something |
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| 09:16.48 | eb0t | maybe on your wan |
| 09:17.00 | Shadow` | any reason why my display is set to max 1024x768? |
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| 09:17.10 | paul_grozav | eb0t: No, I'm simply surfing the net with a browser |
| 09:17.12 | eb0t | i think normally you get rejected with you dont authenticate |
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| 09:17.20 | hypermist | how to uninstall stuff off debian ? |
| 09:17.22 | eb0t | but your authentication should be fine |
| 09:17.56 | eb0t | so maybe its something to do wiht data going to and from your machine ..possibly exceeding size limits |
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| 09:21.01 | n13z | paul_grozav: can you test another modem? |
| 09:21.43 | paul_grozav | n13z: I don't have a modem, just a cable that the ISP set up and comes into my apartment |
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| 09:23.59 | paul_grozav | Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/uDQPrhCq |
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| 09:25.08 | paul_grozav | It stays connected for a few seconds, or a few minutes... and I'm not sure if it's from my ISP or if the cause is my computer |
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| 09:30.07 | eb0t | i would contact your isp...as your connection authenticates correctly |
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| 09:30.36 | eb0t | and you get fully up and running and evertthing is fine....and then wham...their end cuts you off.. |
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| 09:30.48 | eb0t | i dont think it is a problem with your mahcine |
| 09:31.03 | eb0t | by the way have you tried the ehternet on another device |
| 09:31.15 | eb0t | if it does the same thing then you know for sure its your isp |
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| 09:33.48 | paul_grozav | eb0t: No, I don't have another device there. But thanks, I'll call my ISP then :) ... |
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| 10:01.48 | ChrisH | oxodesign: You should meanwhile know from reading man pages the syntax meaning of su [-] orientdb as try it using 1. su orientdb or 2. su - orientdb |
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| 10:13.05 | Skyrider | Is there any good alternatives to php-fpm? |
| 10:13.09 | Skyrider | for squeeze |
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| 10:14.02 | babilen | libapache2-mod-php |
| 10:14.22 | Skyrider | even with nginx? |
| 10:14.34 | babilen | No, that wouldn't work with nginx |
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| 10:35.53 | Skyrider | babilen: So I have the choice between fastcgi & fpm? |
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| 10:37.07 | babilen | same thing |
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| 10:38.40 | Skyrider | Can't exactly the same its "exactly" the same. |
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| 10:38.58 | Skyrider | But still.. all these problems I'm having with FPM/CGI is getting a bit tiredsome. |
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| 10:41.53 | {N}elinho | hi there |
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| 10:42.31 | {N}elinho | anyone knows why I can just have one instance open the /dev/watchdog device? |
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| 11:18.48 | adkins | hey guys, i have a problem with a server. I have debian wheezy running on a usb stick. it`s been working stable for a while like one week. one month later: i logged in via ssh and did "blkid" and got segmentation fault error, "fdisk -l" showed only my raid disks but not the usb stick. |
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| 11:20.01 | adkins | this happened also like 2 months ago and i have no idea why it is stable for a while and after some weeks this is happening without changing anything |
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| 11:21.02 | nkuttler | adkins: sounds like your usb stick is broken, or something on the way to it |
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| 11:21.18 | nkuttler | adkins: how did you fix it last time? |
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| 11:22.40 | ChrisH | adkins: does lshw -short and/or lsub show the controller and the stick? |
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| 11:23.42 | adkins | nkuttler: i restored the system from a backup and it worked again |
| 11:24.17 | adkins | "lshw -short" command not found |
| 11:24.35 | adkins | lsusb shows the stick |
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| 11:28.03 | adkins | if it is the stick i`d like to know if that is most probably the cause and nothing else, before using another stick/disk.....what would you suggest? smartmontools? |
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| 11:31.59 | ChrisH | adkins: what is onthe stick? The whole OS? Then I would expect any stick to fail within short time |
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| 11:33.21 | adkins | ChrisH: yes i got the whole OS on a stick. why would you excpect that? |
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| 11:34.47 | ChrisH | From my understanding a stick is not designed for this kind of permanent write/read as it's seen for a OS installation. I would be happy if some tells different stuff. |
| 11:35.08 | adkins | i would be sooooo happy too |
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| 11:36.40 | adkins | the company which sells these servers even offer OS on sticks with some other linux-dists......maybe a normal debian is too much for a stick, i dont know |
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| 11:37.17 | adkins | if i know this wont work in general i would change my plan and use a normal hard disk |
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| 12:09.35 | Skyrider | hi |
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| 12:13.17 | Abhijit | ksk, just write startup scripts? |
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| 12:20.10 | oxodesign | ChrisH: hi again, i tried your suggestion to move the script but same result, nothing happens when I try to run it as orientdb |
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| 12:20.27 | oxodesign | I try to run this cmd: su orientdb -c "cd \"/opt/orientdb/bin\"; /usr/bin/nohup ./server.sh 1>../log/orientdb.log 2>../log/orientdb.err &" |
| 12:20.34 | oxodesign | manually but still nothing |
| 12:20.58 | oxodesign | if I change to "su root ..." then it works |
| 12:21.08 | m3t4lukas | hey guys, my debian server stops booting right after starting postgresql, there's just an underscore in the next line |
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| 12:21.44 | oxodesign | ChrisH: the user looks like this: orientdb:x:999:999::/opt/orientdb:/bin/false |
| 12:22.24 | oxodesign | and the user is the owner of the folder /opt/orientdb |
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| 12:22.29 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Does pressing ctrl + c make the system continue booting? |
| 12:23.00 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall nope, doesn't |
| 12:23.24 | ChrisH | oxodesign: did you put these commands into a script as I suggested some days ago? |
| 12:23.35 | oxodesign | ChrisH: yes |
| 12:23.43 | oxodesign | it was yesterday |
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| 12:24.11 | heurist | oxodesign: I am speaking without context, but did you also make sure that running it as root did not mess up your file permissions? |
| 12:24.14 | ChrisH | oxodesign: I would not expect /bin/false beeing able to run a server startup! |
| 12:24.17 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Then boot into single user mode, and disable starting up postgresql on boot for now. Then you can boot normally and investigate by hand. |
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| 12:24.48 | ChrisH | oxodesign: evaluate this: su orientdb -s /bin/bash -c ... |
| 12:25.07 | oxodesign | heurist: i have checked that, no change on permissions on the folder |
| 12:25.18 | ChrisH | oxodesign: or replace /bin/false in passwd with a real shell. at least for testing |
| 12:25.24 | heurist | oxodesign: lock files and such too? |
| 12:25.45 | oxodesign | heurist: removed the lock-files :) |
| 12:25.46 | vlt | Hello. How can I let a headless Debian machine boot to a state where every key stroke and mouse movement is used as the input of a second remote machine (or its X server)? |
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| 12:26.20 | vlt | The local is headless, the remote one has a screen but no keyboard or mouse. |
| 12:26.37 | oxodesign | Chirs putting su orientdb -s /bin/bash worked! |
| 12:26.42 | oxodesign | ChrisH: ^ |
| 12:26.57 | oxodesign | but I followed a tutorial that said to use /bin/false |
| 12:27.27 | ChrisH | oxodesign: following tutorial bling and without understanding can lead to unexpected results |
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| 12:27.51 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: Now it stops at "[....] Setting up console font and keymap...". There's an underscore at the end of the line |
| 12:28.15 | oxodesign | ChrisH: on the tutorial they suggested to add the user like this "useradd -d /opt/orientdb -M -r -s /bin/false -U orientdb" |
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| 12:29.15 | oxodesign | They said that the /bin/false = no login so I trusted them |
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| 12:29.23 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: in single user mode it doesn't even react to Ctrl+Alt+Delete to reboot |
| 12:29.25 | oxodesign | Once again thank you ChrisH |
| 12:29.52 | ChrisH | oxodesign: Good its working now. |
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| 12:40.45 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Sounds like something more fundamental is broken. Can you boot from a live system, and check with smartctl if the HDD is defective? Then I'd check if the filesystems are ok with fsck. |
| 12:41.02 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Just to make sure, which release are you running? |
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| 12:44.15 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: It's a vServer running Debian 7 |
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| 12:46.02 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: I asked my provider to run a full diagnosis on the virtual system |
| 12:46.17 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: In that case it might just be a display problem? Does the server reply to pings? |
| 12:46.22 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: it will take some time for them to complete my request |
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| 12:46.39 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Ok, that's probably the easiest way. |
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| 12:47.04 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: I'll try, I already tried connecting via ssh, but it tells me it's unreachable |
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| 12:48.32 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: yes, it does respond to pings |
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| 12:49.35 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: however, ssh still not working |
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| 12:50.19 | petn-randall | m3t4lukas: Did you change anything since the last time it booted fine? |
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| 12:54.53 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: I added a system user, I added a user to postgresql db and I put a script into /etc/init.d and set it to automatically start at boot time. The script was a copy of a script that ran for nearly a year on that server, I changed the service name. |
| 12:55.36 | m3t4lukas | petn-randall: the script does exit, even if the service it should start fails to start |
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| 13:04.27 | cloudowind | good night |
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| 13:06.33 | gebruiker | fuck |
| 13:06.41 | gebruiker | fonts on ubuntu are really well done ! |
| 13:06.49 | gebruiker | to bad it is such an hassle with debian |
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| 13:07.19 | petn-randall | gebruiker: Do you have a support question? |
| 13:07.33 | gebruiker | petn-randall, yeah |
| 13:08.08 | adkins | run debian on a usb-stick on a server? Yes or No? anyone? |
| 13:08.32 | abrotman | up to you |
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| 13:09.23 | gebruiker | petn-randall, how do I get the same fonts quality on my debian machine? I read somewhere that ubuntu fontconfig is heavily patched |
| 13:10.05 | adkins | abrotman: i have issues though as described earlier......segmentation faults, IO-errors,.....which happens after a few weeks of running it. not sure if the usb-stick is broken or the usb-OS-thing is just not good at all?! |
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| 13:10.27 | abrotman | adkins: have you checked it for errors? |
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| 13:10.52 | adkins | abrotman: the usb stick? |
| 13:11.30 | abrotman | Yes |
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| 13:12.25 | adkins | not yet. have to boot with another system first because i cant install smartmontools on this system because it just sucks completly.... |
| 13:12.32 | adkins | would you suggest smartmontools? |
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| 13:14.54 | ChrisH | adkins: I would not expect smartmontools beeing able to work on a usb stick |
| 13:15.19 | adkins | i see |
| 13:15.24 | adkins | how do i check it then? |
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| 13:19.17 | adkins | what do you all think about: (12:34:46) ChrisH: From my understanding a stick is not designed for this kind of permanent write/read as it's seen for a OS installation. I would be happy if some tells different stuff." (running debian-OS on stick) |
| 13:19.21 | adkins | abrotman: ? |
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| 13:20.35 | Skyrider | That's odd.. |
| 13:20.47 | Skyrider | I created a new user and put him in the FTP group with bin/bash and set a home directory |
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| 13:20.59 | Skyrider | Yet the user has entire access to all directories on the VPS server. |
| 13:21.20 | Skyrider | The only thing it does is pinpointing the user to the home directory, not locking him into that directory. |
| 13:22.10 | iveevue | Skyrider, Why do you think the user would be locked in? |
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| 13:22.29 | Skyrider | Because it's an FTP account, setting a home directory. |
| 13:22.39 | Skyrider | I'd assume the account would be locked onto the home directory. |
| 13:22.59 | iveevue | Define "FTP account" |
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| 13:23.16 | Skyrider | FTP account.. you know, host, user, pass -> login |
| 13:23.17 | Skyrider | :-\ |
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| 13:23.35 | ChrisH | adkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Longevity there are some limits mentioned |
| 13:23.46 | abrotman | adkins: ChrisH is correct. You might want to boot the OS from the USB stick in RO mode, and then do RW stuff to a physsical drive |
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| 13:24.09 | abrotman | adkins: I didn't say your idea was a good one, I just said it was up to you. |
| 13:25.11 | adkins | abrotman: i didnt say you said it was a good idea ;) easy! |
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| 13:26.03 | adkins | abrotman: boot from usb and do RW stuff to physical drive? a lil confused ;) |
| 13:26.08 | adkins | how dows that work |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | adkins: Not sure how that's confusing |
| 13:27.02 | adkins | how do i tell the OS to put all the RW stuff to a disk? |
| 13:27.51 | p0g0 | sync? |
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| 13:28.08 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider: one way to handle that is to use ftp-servers virtual users |
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| 13:28.28 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider: which would all use a single system user |
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| 13:32.10 | jelly-home | Skyrider: you'll want to configure your ftp service so it applies a chroot for normal users |
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| 13:36.45 | Zerock | I'm using the Numix theme for GTK+ and my windows in GNOME Shell. Why are my scroll bars and some other elements unthemed? They were themed fine in Parabola with this same version of GNOME. Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/nNXBKYp.png |
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| 13:48.23 | sonOfRa | Is there an optional package (like on gentoo and some other systems) that I can install to get CACert certificates back in the system trust store with ca-certificates? Or should I manually install them by copying them and update-ca-certificates? |
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| 13:50.11 | ChrisH | sonOfRa: aptitude search cacert |
| 13:50.44 | ChrisH | sonOfRa: sorry, pasted wrong one before. aptitude search ca-cert |
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| 13:51.54 | sonOfRa | only shows up with the ca-certificates package. CACert (as in, cacert.org root and class3) aren't in debian anymore since march |
| 13:52.24 | sonOfRa | And that search doesn't show anything that contains the CACert root and class 3, so I assume one has to manually install them |
| 13:54.46 | ChrisH | sonOfRa: I assume Debian did not remove them justy for fun but due to serious reason. so installing them manually might be risky. |
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| 13:56.06 | sonOfRa | They've been removed due to a lack of a formal (expensive) audit. I use them for my own systems, and I /do/ trust the certificates, so my machines should, too. |
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| 13:57.43 | sonOfRa | For my private systems, I cannot afford to purchase certificates for all my domains, so I rely on CACert, rather than a completely self-signed infrastructure. And since my services speak TLS to each other, so they need to trust CACert in order for that to work |
| 13:57.58 | Hacker01 | hi all |
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| 14:11.53 | Hacker01 | hi all |
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| 14:13.44 | lhr_ | can someone please explain me it you can transfer whole video container (h264+aac for example) over one RTP channel in RTSP protocol or they have to go over separate RTP channels, one for audio and one for video? |
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| 14:14.10 | dontknow | anyone knows what package is responsible showing the mount icon in thunar when plug in usb stick? |
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| 14:15.25 | petn-randall | Hi Hacker01, do you have a support question? |
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| 14:16.49 | Hacker01 | is every one here a debain expert? |
| 14:17.04 | superlinux-hp | hi all.. This is my laptop uptime using debian wheezy. see the pictures on this forum page. http://www.linuxac.org/forum/threads/69544 |
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| 14:18.12 | Hacker01 | hey |
| 14:18.21 | superlinux-hp | hey |
| 14:18.23 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 14:18.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:18.32 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 14:18.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:19.29 | surf | asdadsd |
| 14:19.43 | dontknow | anyone knows what package is responsible showing the mount icon in thunar when plug in usb stick? |
| 14:19.45 | superlinux-hp | there is nothing yet i want to ask. but I only wanted to share my laptop uptime |
| 14:20.06 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: I'm sure you're proud of it, but 29 days is not that much uptime in the Linux world. :) |
| 14:20.40 | eb0t | 20 years is pretty decent |
| 14:20.46 | wonderbar | guys i am trying to install skype 4.3 on deb 7.7 but it keeps saying that libasound is not installed. If I install libasound via aptitude I see that the new "i386" packages to install brake the 64bits ones. Any idea on what to do? |
| 14:21.10 | dontknow | i don't see any icon when i plug a usb in, so i want to see usb mouse icon and mount it by clicking. how can i do that in xfce? |
| 14:21.10 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, I know. but still with a country with bad electricity management like Lebanon... it's a challenge. |
| 14:21.10 | superlinux-hp | ⺠|
| 14:21.19 | mtn | wonderbar: you aren't following the debian wiki? |
| 14:21.21 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: Indeed :) |
| 14:21.36 | wonderbar | mtn, yes but when I run install -f I get "remove skype?" |
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| 14:22.48 | mtn | wonderbar: did you enable multi-arch first? |
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| 14:23.12 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, I made it once on debian sarge like approx. of 50 days. |
| 14:23.20 | wonderbar | mtn, yes, --add-architecture i386 |
| 14:23.28 | superlinux-hp | I mean .. squeeze NOT Sarge. |
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| 14:24.21 | mtn | wonderbar: run # apt-get -f install and paste the results to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:24.59 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: 15:24:45 up 182 days, 16:13, 2 users, load average: 0.37, 0.34, 0.37 |
| 14:25.09 | deuterium | hia. i've aborted 'apt-get update' and now apt-get's cache somehow seems to be in an inconsistent state, not finding certain repos, even though they clearly do exist an are reachable (i.e. pingable). looks like a fragile and buggy apt-get update to me. any idea how to fix it? |
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| 14:25.24 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: That's the server I'm writing from, it's not even that much for a server. |
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| 14:25.45 | petn-randall | deuterium: Run 'apt-get update' again? |
| 14:26.14 | deuterium | petn-randall: did that, didn't help though |
| 14:26.21 | wonderbar | mtn, http://paste.debian.net/131283/ |
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| 14:26.51 | deuterium | is there some caching of apt-get update i can termporarily switch off or so? |
| 14:26.56 | wonderbar | mtn, it asks me to remove skype:i386 |
| 14:27.44 | mtn | wonderbar: sorry, I can't read that. hopefully someone else can help and there are debian channels in your language, as well. |
| 14:28.09 | petn-randall | deuterium: Can you show the output of 'apt-get update' and the problematic apt-cache command on http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 14:28.54 | wonderbar | mtn, when I install it I get "skype depends on libasound2-plugin" |
| 14:29.27 | deuterium | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/131284/ |
| 14:31.38 | petn-randall | deuterium: Looks like your sources.list is faulty. |
| 14:31.45 | petn-randall | !tell deuterium -about sources.list |
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| 14:33.39 | deuterium | petn-randall: no, my sources.list is perfect |
| 14:33.48 | deuterium | petn-randall: i'm a pro, not a newbie, btw ;) |
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| 14:34.47 | deuterium | it just seems to me that apt-get update got quite fragile recently. reminds of a buggy implementation of caching in apt-get update, i.e. without transaction, without following proper acid princples. |
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| 14:37.44 | petn-randall | deuterium: apt-get isn't a database, that's it can't really be ACID conform. But most things in apt/dpkg are idempotent, so it's ok. You're getting simple 404s because your sources.list is wrong, that has nothing to do with apt being fragile. |
| 14:38.02 | petn-randall | s/that's/that's why/ |
| 14:39.10 | Zerock | How does one set their GTK engine to murrine? |
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| 14:40.44 | wonderbar | mtn, the english version: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5b85a2cf/ |
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| 14:42.03 | mtn | wonderbar: I would start over and follow the wiki again. I think you missed a step somewhere. I have followed it without any problems many times and skype installed easily. |
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| 14:45.05 | wonderbar | mtn, me too but on this machine smt is wrong I can't understand. this is what I get after the install: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce412982/ |
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| 14:46.11 | wonderbar | mtn, maybe a repo problem? |
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| 14:48.16 | mtn | wonderbar: not sure. I would start over and make sure you don't skip any steps. |
| 14:48.35 | wonderbar | mtn, did it a couple of times, same result :/ |
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| 14:48.44 | mtn | wonderbar: sorry, no idea. |
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| 14:51.45 | mtn | wonderbar: please paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:53.40 | percY-work | How do i figure out what the latest version of samba is through debian? |
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| 14:54.03 | meaneye | apt-cache show? |
| 14:54.13 | meaneye | Or check online on a site. |
| 14:54.36 | jelly-home | percY-work: "apt-cache policy samba" will tell you what's available from the configured repos |
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| 14:54.55 | mtn | percY-work: and http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:55.01 | jelly-home | http://packages.debian.org/samba |
| 14:55.43 | jelly-home | judd: v samba |
| 14:55.44 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-2 |
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| 14:57.10 | wonderbar | mtn, I believe the problem is here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/89055460/ |
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| 14:57.27 | percY-work | hmm and latest version is 4.1.13 |
| 14:57.30 | wonderbar | mtn, when trying to install the libasound2-plugins I get all that messy stuff |
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| 14:57.49 | jelly-home | percY-work: which debian release are you using? |
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| 14:58.17 | percY-work | wheezy |
| 14:58.23 | evangeline_ | hi, does anybody know how to solve this error: https://zerobin.net/?b3d05946e4fae284#4u53GOWtt8cMu8yKPis+z5gpeCgF0UgiaAvTC5zDcWw= |
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| 14:58.57 | jelly-home | percY-work: so you have a choice of 3.6.6 in wheezy, or 4.1.11 from wheezy-backports if you require samba4. |
| 14:59.04 | mtn | wonderbar: you have more than debian repos turned on. that is your problem. |
| 14:59.22 | meaneye | evangeline_, which packages did you set as hold? |
| 14:59.31 | mtn | wonderbar: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:59.34 | percY-work | so jelly how would i go about installing 4.1.11 through backports? |
| 15:00.14 | wonderbar | mtn, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1da2a9a3/ |
| 15:00.23 | jelly-home | percY-work: visit http://backports.debian.org/ and read the instructions |
| 15:00.40 | percY-work | Thanks Jedi|Yoda |
| 15:00.44 | percY-work | jelly-home**** |
| 15:00.50 | mtn | wonderbar: you have packages installed from dmo, debian multimedia |
| 15:01.17 | wonderbar | mtn, ehm, this is not my pc, can be possible :/ |
| 15:01.31 | mtn | wonderbar: and you probably want non-free and contrib after main in your source lines. |
| 15:01.52 | ghormoon | hi, is it possible to map (to boot from) partitions made on partition? i.e. I have a virtual machine which is given a partition as a disk, so it has another MBR there and partitions it itself ... I'm trying to boot it directly (bypassing hypervisor) ... is is possible at all? in /dev/mapper I have the partition which it's on, but it has no UUID, though even if it had one, I think it wouldn't work |
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| 15:02.06 | mtn | wonderbar: your paste said it was so ;) Breaks: libmp3lame0:i386 (!= 1:3.99.5-dmo2) |
| 15:02.26 | wonderbar | mtn, oh yeah now I see it! So I should remove it? |
| 15:02.55 | mtn | wonderbar: you will need to remove each of the offending packages and then run your commands again. |
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| 15:03.09 | wonderbar | mtn, ok thanks for the support! |
| 15:03.17 | mtn | wonderbar: welcome |
| 15:03.35 | adkins | ChrisH: abrotman: thx again, system is on harddisk now, no more usb. see you ;) |
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| 15:05.58 | deuterium | petn-randall: ok, thanks for the hints. the strange thing is that this is the only box getting these apt-get update errors, though the identical sources.list exists on about 40 other servers with no issues at all. it also isn't a firewall issue or so, but the distinctive thing is that i've hit ctrl-c when apt-get updating on that specific box today. |
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| 15:06.28 | wonderbar | mtn, it's gonna be painful since removing libavutil51 removes tons of programs :/ |
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| 15:09.26 | Skyrider | Is there anyway I can run a SH or ./file start/stop/restart commands through a PHP file under a specific user? |
| 15:10.43 | ChrisH | Skyrider: thats more a #php question, isn't it? |
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| 15:10.58 | Skyrider | somewhat in my opinion ;p. |
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| 15:13.08 | sh00p | so I have this samba server, I'm rsyncing backups to a remote server every once in a while. I do not stop the samba shares while doing this. Could that cause problems with the backups? |
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| 15:13.25 | sh00p | Maybe somebody is writing in a word document while rsyncing it |
| 15:13.27 | sh00p | etc |
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| 15:15.18 | ChrisH | sh00p: sure, this can happen. If you use LVM you might consider stop samba ; create LVM-snapshot ; start samba rsync the snapshot |
| 15:16.11 | sh00p | thanks ChrisH, much appreciated |
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| 15:25.24 | jhutchins | Stopping samba doesn't actually close open files, it just prevents new files from being opened. |
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| 15:26.18 | jhutchins | sh00p: Open documents should not be corrupted, but the backups would not contain un-written changes, just as if the backup had run before the changes were made. |
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| 15:26.55 | npn | Hi guys. I have a 1Tb disk with a 400G ext3 partition containing a partition image - 'disk.img' - how can I convert that partition image into an actual partition without having to get another disk, move the 320G disk.img over to it, and then use dd to write the entire 320G disk.img into a new partition on the original disk? |
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| 15:27.39 | npn | I dont suppose I can modify the partition table to manually point the start of a new partition to the location of my disk.img file on the disk? |
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| 15:29.36 | petn-randall | deuterium: I don't know how the problem manifests on your side. What is the apt-cache output of yours that is inconsistent? |
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| 15:30.33 | jhutchins | npn: I suppose you could just mount the image via loopback. |
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| 15:31.11 | npn | jhutchins: Ty - done that and all is working good, but the disk image is of an NTFS partition and need to be able to access it within Windows |
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| 15:31.22 | npn | s/disk image/partition image |
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| 15:34.53 | deuterium | petn-randall: it's actually not an apt-cache problem. to me it looks like there'd be another, internal cache apt-get update uses to cache whether the sources.list servers are reachable or not. could that be? |
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| 15:35.41 | Feveth | Let's see if this gets a reply now. |
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| 15:47.42 | petn-randall | deuterium: Show me the actual output of the command you see the problem, I still don't know what you're talking about. |
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| 15:53.25 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 15:53.50 | darxmurf | just have a silly question about grep |
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| 15:53.57 | darxmurf | echo "éééé" | grep -iE "^[a-z0-9_-]+$" |
| 15:54.02 | darxmurf | is that normal that it's matching ? |
| 15:54.32 | darxmurf | letters with accents are included in a-z ? |
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| 15:55.50 | johnride | darxmurf: yes, obviously |
| 15:55.51 | heurist | darxmurf: apparently so. matches here too. sed matches them too. |
| 15:56.21 | johnride | Otherwise it would be a total mess to match a sentence or a word in french |
| 15:56.38 | darxmurf | hmm |
| 15:57.13 | darxmurf | yes but in my case it's not what I expected :) |
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| 15:58.08 | heurist | darxmurf: if your locale is utf8 it does LANG=C grep -E "[a-z]" <(echo "éééé") does not |
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| 15:59.02 | darxmurf | or grep [abcdefghijklmnopq....] |
| 15:59.05 | deuterium | petn-randall: a simple 'apt-get update', then it works fine for most servers.. first errors appear here: http://paste.debian.net/131284/ |
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| 16:00.32 | heurist | darxmurf: [abcdefghijklmnopq] does not include é since it is not a rang, it is only those specific characters. |
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| 16:00.49 | petn-randall | darxmurf: interestingly, echo "éééé" | grep -E "^[e]+$" doesn't match. :) |
| 16:00.57 | petn-randall | but [e-z] does. |
| 16:01.18 | heurist | petn-randall: only ranges do. |
| 16:01.19 | darxmurf | yep |
| 16:01.32 | darxmurf | matches also Russian letters by the way |
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| 16:01.54 | heurist | darxmurf: utf8 has all the letters. |
| 16:01.57 | darxmurf | yes |
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| 16:02.11 | darxmurf | but russian letters and a-z |
| 16:02.18 | darxmurf | is a bit weird |
| 16:02.19 | johnride | I totally love regexes, it's such a mess but so interesting |
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| 16:02.45 | johnride | Plus every implementation is different |
| 16:02.52 | heurist | #regex is a really nice channel too. |
| 16:03.08 | johnride | heurist: I'm totally going there thanks |
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| 16:03.39 | petn-randall | deuterium: As I said, either your sources.list is broken, or your connection. You shouldn't get *any* 404s on 'apt-get update'. |
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| 16:04.17 | darxmurf | so, this regex stuff can have side effects :) |
| 16:04.55 | southkey1 | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian on a Acer Aspire V5-123 computer with a Atheros AR956x wireless chip. But, the Debian installer tells me that it can't find a network chip and it asks me to choose the firmware in a list or to load it from a USB drive. I tried everything starting with ath in the list but nothing worked. So I tried to load the Atheros firmwares from firmware-nonfree drivers from a USB stick but it didn't work. Does |
| 16:04.56 | southkey1 | firmware? Thanks for your consideration. |
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| 16:05.07 | gtristan | is baffled that é could possibly be found anywhere in between a and z |
| 16:05.11 | gtristan | learn something new every day |
| 16:05.41 | darxmurf | gtristan: Russian letters are included too :) |
| 16:05.50 | darxmurf | on UTF8 systems :) |
| 16:06.09 | heurist | darxmurf: as another strange one: [d-e] does not include é but [e-f] does, so they fall after the non-accented letter, before the next one. (: |
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| 16:06.37 | darxmurf | heurist: this is even worst :D |
| 16:07.10 | heurist | darxmurf: it *does* make sense though, just not expected before thinking about it. |
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| 16:07.15 | gtristan | heurist, gotta wonder if that [d-e] and [e-f] trick yields the same results in different locales |
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| 16:07.39 | darxmurf | well, I will match my variable against [abcdefghij.....] it's not that sexy but is safer :) |
| 16:07.46 | heurist | gtristan: /urgh. utf8 or C only for me please. |
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| 16:08.16 | gtristan | ICU libs offers an interesting feature which reliably finds what alphabetic index a given character falls into in a locale sensitive way |
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| 16:08.35 | heurist | darxmurf: set your locale explicitly using LANG=C command |
| 16:08.46 | heurist | dpkg: tell darxmurf -about locales |
| 16:09.16 | toonces | hi im having trouble with getting my wifi to run |
| 16:09.23 | toonces | wicd won't find any network |
| 16:09.30 | thomassgn | Hey, is it possible to install debian from within a running linux distro? like running sysresccd and then install with chrooting and so on (like the gentoo install)? |
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| 16:09.35 | johnride | darxmurf: what are you trying? Allowing everything [a-z] in UTF-8 is nice for a variable name |
| 16:09.46 | jordanm | thomassgn: yes |
| 16:09.46 | johnride | there are some languages that support it |
| 16:09.53 | toonces | and ifconfig wlan0 up gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS{ No such file or directory" |
| 16:09.54 | jordanm | !tell thomassgn about debootstrap |
| 16:10.00 | gtristan | oh, after I read the backlog I get some context, afaiu though, POSIX and C are both locales, utf8 is not a locale (just sayin) |
| 16:10.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell toonces -about enter |
| 16:10.27 | petn-randall | southkey1: You have two options: Either you finish the installation with a ethernet connection, and just install the missing firmware after you rebooted into your installation. Or you use the "unofficial" firmware installers which come with the firmware included. |
| 16:10.32 | thomassgn | jordanm: Awesome, thank you |
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| 16:10.45 | darxmurf | johnride: nop, just checking an input |
| 16:10.53 | toonces | heurist: ? |
| 16:10.53 | darxmurf | it must match a-z0-9_- |
| 16:10.58 | darxmurf | that's it |
| 16:11.01 | darxmurf | not accents |
| 16:11.08 | heurist | gtristan: nitpicky, but true. |
| 16:11.12 | johnride | OK |
| 16:11.23 | darxmurf | and of course I tried my script with accents |
| 16:11.24 | darxmurf | :D |
| 16:11.30 | darxmurf | and had no error |
| 16:12.42 | darxmurf | I like those unexpected effects :) |
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| 16:12.57 | darxmurf | so, thanks folks, it's time for a beer here ! |
| 16:13.10 | heurist | darxmurf: you can also use grep -P "[[:ascii:]]" <(echo "éééé") |
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| 16:13.26 | deuterium | petn-randall: i'll try sth along http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2252350 |
| 16:13.28 | darxmurf | yep but -P is a bit experimental non ? |
| 16:13.30 | darxmurf | no ? |
| 16:13.42 | heurist | darxmurf: hardly. |
| 16:14.05 | darxmurf | I prefer to use safe stuffs :) |
| 16:14.13 | darxmurf | specialy with users... |
| 16:14.16 | johnride | darxmurf: it's more about unimplemented features |
| 16:14.30 | johnride | -P works flawlessly for me |
| 16:14.36 | petn-randall | deuterium: Try what you want, it won't solve the fact that the remote server is giving a HTTP 404 back. |
| 16:14.52 | heurist | darxmurf: pcre is quite well supported on most platforms. |
| 16:14.57 | darxmurf | you can be sure that a guy will enter Cyrilic letters somewhere and will fook up the script :) |
| 16:15.31 | darxmurf | 50% of your code is to prevent wrong inputs :) |
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| 16:15.43 | paulwa | Can you use nfs over a public ip |
| 16:15.46 | paulwa | ? |
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| 16:15.56 | paulwa | everything i've seen for setup states private ip |
| 16:16.04 | darxmurf | paulwa: try :) |
| 16:16.25 | heurist | paulwa: nfs4 works ok over NAT and firewalls, nfs3 is a pain. |
| 16:16.47 | paulwa | thanks, it would be public ip to public ip in fect |
| 16:17.04 | paulwa | but on same network, it's 2 servers within a data centre but only accessable via public ip |
| 16:17.17 | heurist | paulwa: note that security is a concern though. make sure your kerberos is set up right. |
| 16:17.29 | petn-randall | paulwa: It works, but make sure that the NFS only goes through cables/switches you trust. |
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| 16:17.53 | paulwa | yup of course! |
| 16:17.57 | paulwa | Thanks |
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| 16:18.05 | petn-randall | heurist: AFAIK you can do authentication, but you can't encrypt the streams. |
| 16:18.07 | darxmurf | thanks for your help guys, see you ! |
| 16:18.18 | PerfDave | waves |
| 16:18.40 | bsdbeard | Is it possible to change the default file chooser dialog? It seems to be related to nautilus somehow, but I'm not sure |
| 16:18.52 | bsdbeard | I've changed the mime type of inode/directory, but that did not help |
| 16:18.58 | heurist | petn-randall: encryption and NAT do not combine well. |
| 16:19.15 | PerfDave | Quick question: Is Debian 6 still getting any security updates? |
| 16:19.23 | petn-randall | heurist: Per se, or with NFS? I didn't know you can encrypt NFS natively. |
| 16:19.32 | petn-randall | PerfDave: Yes, but it's limited. |
| 16:19.38 | heurist | dpkg: tell PerfDave -about lts |
| 16:19.50 | southkey1 | petn-randall: Thank you for your answer, but I don't understand where I can find the "unofficial" firmware installer? If it is in the firmware-nonfree, in which directory is it? |
| 16:20.18 | heurist | petn-randall: per se. nfs is encrypted with kerberos. |
| 16:20.24 | PerfDave | petn-randall, heurist: Ta. I've upgraded my personal systems to 7 ages ago, but just started a new job somewhere with 6 still around. |
| 16:20.50 | ghormoon | is it possible to do something like losetup boot time and boot from that setuped partition? |
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| 16:21.25 | heurist | ghormoon: you could do that in your initramfs. don't ask me how. |
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| 16:22.52 | ghormoon | heurist: maybe if I had two copies it will work then ... I'm trying to boot virtual machine on real HW to try out something that doesn't work when vitualized ... and it's on lvm partition, but the partition contains MBR and is partitioned again ... |
| 16:23.30 | petn-randall | !tell southkey1 -about firmware images |
| 16:23.38 | petn-randall | southkey1: dpkg should have sent you the link. |
| 16:23.39 | heurist | ghormoon: losetup can take an offset, no? |
| 16:23.46 | deuterium | petn-randall: rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/* solved the problem. this was thus definitely due to a bug in apt-get update - i didn't even touch the sources.list |
| 16:24.10 | ghormoon | heurist: yup, that's why I'm asking about using losetup boot time |
| 16:24.25 | petn-randall | deuterium: Is it reproducible if you move them back? |
| 16:24.48 | heurist | ghormoon: your setup with VM images and lvm is quite a bit more complicated than they original question. (: |
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| 16:25.04 | deuterium | petn-randall: hm.. i deleted those cached lists already. but very likely, yes. |
| 16:25.09 | ghormoon | I've managet to make /dev/loop0 which is valid ext4, so it will be possible to boot it if I managed to create it before grub searches for initramfs |
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| 16:26.00 | heurist | ghormoon: you do that *in* the initramfs. |
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| 16:26.48 | ghormoon | well the rest I can copy from grub config which is booting dom0 wothout xen :P for reference the whole setup is real hdd (sda1 = /boot, sda2 = luks encrypted) < luks container < lvm (dom0 partition ("normal"), vm partitions (having their own MBR)) |
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| 16:27.14 | ghormoon | heurist: just realized that i'd have to copy out the initramfs, yup, sorry :) |
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| 16:29.33 | ghormoon | heurist: still in grub.cfg there are quite a lot references to the partition UUID, though the partitions with their own MBR don't have one ... |
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| 16:30.25 | pdonnachie | Hi everyone! Working with a server I've just notice I get some message like 'You have mail in /var/spool/mail/root'. Is there any place where I can change the email address where those message will be sent? |
| 16:31.00 | heurist | pdonnachie: /etc/aliases |
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| 16:31.25 | rgr | pdonnachie: just dont use root if you're unable to look that up yourself... |
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| 16:33.26 | pdonnachie | thx heurist! |
| 16:33.26 | pdonnachie | rgr, some cronjob must be done with root permissions.. this is why I'm using it.. Any suggestion? |
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| 16:34.27 | jhutchins | pdonnachie: /etc/aliases is commonly used for that. |
| 16:34.45 | jhutchins | lag, sorry. |
| 16:34.57 | luciousjr | could anyone help me get my wacom working with Jessie? |
| 16:35.27 | pdonnachie | thx jhutchins |
| 16:35.38 | ghormoon | will initramfs work if I unpack it, edit, back again? |
| 16:35.38 | ghormoon | *pack |
| 16:35.53 | heurist | ghormoon: if you do it right. |
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| 16:35.55 | jhutchins | ghormoon: Better to regenerate it. |
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| 16:37.39 | ghormoon | jhutchins: I need to have two, original one, and edited one, so I'm not sure about the regenarating part :) especially when I want it to do something it usually doesn't :) |
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| 16:39.11 | Feveth | What'd that be? |
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| 16:41.24 | ghormoon | Feveth: losetup and mounting that setuped partition ... usually, this is a VM, but I want to boot it on real HW sometimes ... it's in lvm partition which has it's own MBR ... |
| 16:41.33 | heurist | ghormoon: if you create another grub entry then there is little harm if you mess up the new initrd. |
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| 16:42.33 | ghormoon | heurist: yup, I want it to be another option, I'll boot it that way only few times a year whe nI'm required to work namely with virtualbox which crashes under xen :) |
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| 16:43.38 | ghormoon | standard setup is booting xen dom0 and then booting this machine as domU (and also some other ones around, like mysql box, etc) |
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| 16:44.55 | heurist | ghormoon: I used to have full-featured rescue initrds back in that day, but debian is so stable that I never create them anymore. used to be able to do all sorts of recovery from them. note that the debian initrds have modules that are specific to the current kernel, so you will need to keep this custom one up to date. maybe start with https://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
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| 16:45.50 | ghormoon | heurist: if I know how, it won't be that much problem to redo it when I need it again on new kernel, I expect to need it rarely |
| 16:46.07 | toonces | Okay i'll try again: My wlan isn't working and "ifconfig wlan0 up" gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory". Wicd won't find any networks. This is the pastebin of "ip li" and "iw list" pastebin.com/0z09UkgU. Any ideas? |
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| 16:51.35 | toonces | hello? |
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| 16:52.36 | quagliato | hey, guys! when i try to open spotify client or atom editor i get this: /usr/share/atom/atom: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/share/atom/atom) |
| 16:52.37 | quagliato | /usr/share/atom/atom: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/share/atom/libchromiumcontent.so) |
| 16:52.37 | quagliato | /usr/share/atom/atom: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/share/atom/libgcrypt.so.11) |
| 16:52.37 | quagliato | /usr/share/atom/atom: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /usr/share/atom/libgcrypt.so.11) |
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| 16:53.15 | quagliato | hey, guys! when i try to open spotify client or atom editor i get this: /usr/share/atom/atom: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/share/atom/atom) |
| 16:53.40 | quagliato | i know that I need to update my libc version, does anyone know how to do it? |
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| 16:59.43 | bsdbeard | quagliato, sudo apt-get install libc6 |
| 16:59.48 | jhutchins | quagliato: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 17:00.03 | bsdbeard | :| |
| 17:00.28 | bsdbeard | although the wheezy libc6 is quite outdated if I recall correctly |
| 17:00.41 | heurist | quagliato: wheezy does not, and can not have GLIBC_2.14 |
| 17:00.59 | rgr | no need to recall. you can check. and installing it is... err... silly since its already there. |
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| 17:01.50 | jhutchins | quagliato: Which raises the question of how you installed atom... |
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| 17:02.05 | bsdbeard | ,v libc6 |
| 17:02.06 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; jessie: 2.19-12; sid: 2.19-13 |
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| 17:02.44 | Simplar | hello |
| 17:02.49 | bsdbeard | Simplar, hi |
| 17:02.59 | Simplar | asus x550cv notebook, how to setup a webcam for skype? |
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| 17:03.11 | Simplar | It don't see it by default |
| 17:03.17 | Simplar | kernel 3.14 |
| 17:03.55 | phre4k | internal? |
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| 17:04.22 | JyZyXEL | how can i make sure update-initrams added cryptsetup into my initrd before i reboot? |
| 17:04.23 | Simplar | internal yes |
| 17:04.38 | heurist | ,kernels |
| 17:04.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 17:05.15 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: It should have regenerated your initramfs automatically upon installation of cryptsetup. |
| 17:05.24 | jhutchins | Simplar: Does it appear in dmesg, lspci, or lsusb? |
| 17:05.27 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: well for *SOME* |
| 17:05.31 | JyZyXEL | reason it didn't work |
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| 17:05.46 | jellf | hello |
| 17:06.10 | jellf | need a help how to enable debian remote switch cisco using usb serial adapter |
| 17:06.24 | JyZyXEL | its a great surprise to boot a new kernel and find it stuck with not having cryptsetup included on the initramfs |
| 17:06.31 | Simplar | jhutchins: i run these with | grep camera? |
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| 17:08.24 | jhutchins | dmessg you will want to pipe to less ( dmesg | less ) and scroll through it, looking for meaningful entries. lspci and lsusb should be short enough to just look at. |
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| 17:08.47 | Simplar | jhutchins: no camera devices there :\ |
| 17:08.49 | jhutchins | Simplar: It might not say "camera", one of the things you're looking for is items that aren't identified. |
| 17:09.04 | Simplar | but there are some unidentified ones |
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| 17:10.50 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: run 'update-initramfs -k all -u' from within the chroot, that should fix it. |
| 17:11.03 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: yeah i did that, but i wanna make sure before i reboot :D |
| 17:11.19 | bsdbeard | heurist, is it safe to install the wheezy-backports kernel? |
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| 17:11.31 | heurist | bsdbeard: safe enough. |
| 17:11.45 | bsdbeard | alright, hope this works |
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| 17:12.13 | heurist | bsdbeard: it will install alongside the current 3.2 kernel, so you can easily swap back with a reboot. |
| 17:12.20 | bsdbeard | oh that's excellent |
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| 17:19.07 | quagliato | jhutchins, I installed it using npm. |
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| 17:21.32 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: line 1: /sbin/cryptsetup not found |
| 17:23.18 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: great, now none of my initramfs have cryptsetup, the system is completely unbootable |
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| 17:23.30 | JyZyXEL | that was a really bad idea |
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| 17:26.34 | jhutchins | quagliato: I don't know much about the java/debian integration, but installing it from a third party source is why it's not compatible. |
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| 17:27.44 | jhutchins | Simplar: One of those is probably the camera. lspci -nn will give you the hex id which we can look up with judd. |
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| 17:28.56 | toonces | okay, so i need the wl module to run my wireless card. I installed the related packaged (broadcom-sta-dkms), but modprobe wl still tells me the module doesn't exist |
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| 17:31.49 | Simplar | jhutchins: here you go: http://pastebin.com/FyrAkvjV |
| 17:31.56 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 17:31.57 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:32.10 | babilen | toonces: Could you paste the output of "dkms status" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:32.29 | babilen | (and did you reboot?) |
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| 17:33.05 | jhutchins | !webcam |
| 17:33.05 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 17:33.35 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10ec:5289 |
| 17:33.36 | judd | [10ec:5289] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:5289 |
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| 17:34.36 | jhutchins | Simplar: I'd start with the wiki. |
| 17:35.30 | toonces | babilen: paste.debian.net/131317, and yes i did reboot. I'm also not terribly sure what module to use, since most pages only talk about wheezy and not jessie. The card is broadcom BCM4313 |
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| 17:37.23 | hefest | hey guys. i just installed latest apache2 + mod_php on jessie but php files seems like served as txt files. any ideas why? mod is enabled in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
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| 17:38.55 | babilen | dpkg: bcm4313 |
| 17:38.55 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
| 17:39.38 | p-trust | hefest, is php installed? |
| 17:40.01 | babilen | toonces: So, what does "modprobe wl ; dmesg|tail -n23" give you? |
| 17:40.03 | hefest | p-trust: yes, and lib libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 17:40.35 | Simplar | by the way |
| 17:40.44 | p-trust | try adding AddType application/x-httpd-php .php to your apache2.conf |
| 17:40.55 | p-trust | then rs |
| 17:40.57 | Simplar | there IS a possibility to make MEDIATEK wifi cards work :) |
| 17:40.59 | babilen | hefest: And you reloaded/restarted apache afterwards and closed/restarted your browser? |
| 17:41.12 | babilen | p-trust: That should be in the mod_php conf |
| 17:41.24 | hefest | babilen: yes |
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| 17:41.30 | Simplar | jhutchins: lemme relog in irc okay? |
| 17:41.45 | hefest | babilen: im running curl -I and its returning text/html for index.php |
| 17:41.54 | Simplar | jhutchins: i go write same config from my another notebook |
| 17:41.58 | toonces | babilen: "unknown level '23'" and "modprobe: FATAL Module wl not found" |
| 17:42.28 | p-trust | hefest, try <?php ?> instad of <? ?> |
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| 17:42.58 | hefest | p-trust: nothing changed |
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| 17:43.27 | JyZyXEL | chrooting into a luksd and lvmd debian is such a pain in the ass |
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| 17:43.43 | deuterium | according to the debian filesystem convention, where do i put a locally downloaded .deb file in the file tree? |
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| 17:43.50 | babilen | toonces: And you are using the 3.16 kernel right now? |
| 17:43.55 | p-trust | JyZyXEL, why ? i recognize it as a simple task |
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| 17:44.09 | toonces | babilen: oh wait i put it in wrong: paste.debian.net/131318 |
| 17:44.18 | deuterium | into /usr/local/src/? |
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| 17:44.26 | toonces | babilen: im using 3.16.3/2 |
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| 17:44.43 | JyZyXEL | p-trust: it just takes so much time and effort to get everything right |
| 17:44.48 | toonces | babilen: modprobe wl still gives me module not found though |
| 17:44.58 | JyZyXEL | i should build a system that does all the automatically |
| 17:45.09 | JyZyXEL | and have it as a boot option in grub |
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| 17:45.13 | babilen | toonces: Could you show me the output of "ip a" and "iwconfig" please? |
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| 17:45.46 | p-trust | JyZyXEL, well, make a script. anyway it's 3 lv* commands , cryptsetup luksOpen command and mount |
| 17:46.11 | JyZyXEL | p-trust: you forgot about mounting /boot |
| 17:46.18 | hefest | im completely puzzled by this |
| 17:46.53 | Simplar | please link me that debian pastebin once again? |
| 17:47.02 | JyZyXEL | p-trust: you forgot about --bind mounting /proc, /sys, /dev/pts |
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| 17:47.37 | JyZyXEL | p-trust: you forgot about copying /proc/mounts to the chrooted /etc/mtab |
| 17:47.41 | p-trust | well, you only need it to rebuild initramfs or something |
| 17:47.44 | toonces | babilen: iwconfig: "no wireless extensions" for lo and eth0, "ip a": paste.debian.net/131319 |
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| 17:47.54 | p-trust | you don't need it just to access the fs |
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| 17:48.22 | JyZyXEL | p-trust: you need a lot of stuff to get a fully working chroot where you can actually fix stuff |
| 17:48.50 | rvankleeck | does anyone have any experience using spacewalk for debian/ubuntu package management? |
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| 17:49.12 | babilen | toonces: Interesting, but dkms shows it as installed. Are any of the conflicting modules still loaded? |
| 17:49.13 | Simplar | http://paste.debian.net/131321/ can you tell me if there's something which is NOT configured? D: |
| 17:49.27 | babilen | toonces: aw, man ... have to go for a little while |
| 17:49.28 | toonces | babilen: I should add, i removed the b43 drivers before installing wl, iwconfig did show wlan0 before that |
| 17:49.42 | toonces | babilen: aw, well thanks anyway |
| 17:49.54 | babilen | toonces: Yeah, that is okay. wl conflicts with b43/brcmsmac/... |
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| 17:50.26 | babilen | judd: v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 17:50.27 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-2; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.248-2 |
| 17:50.37 | deuterium | anybody knows where manually downloaded and installed .deb packages need to be stored in debian? |
| 17:50.40 | babilen | I wonder if you require a newer version for the backported kernel |
| 17:51.06 | babilen | deuterium: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:51.09 | babilen | So, bbl |
| 17:51.18 | deuterium | babilen: also, if not downloaded by apt? |
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| 17:53.41 | toonces | babilen: so i just found a post with the same card and it said to download the brcmsmac module, and it worked |
| 17:53.51 | toonces | babilen: at least i find networks via wicd now |
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| 17:59.22 | jhutchins | deuterium: Why do they need to be stored if they've been installed? |
| 17:59.33 | khaije1 | so now that jessie has entered soft freeze, does this mean that testing and jessie are no longer synonymous or is testing frozen too? |
| 17:59.56 | babilen | toonces: Oh, great |
| 18:00.01 | jhutchins | khaije1: jessie is testing. |
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| 18:00.05 | babilen | khaije1: testing *is* jessie *is* testing |
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| 18:01.04 | khaije1 | sure, but jessie is being frozen in order to become stable |
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| 18:01.26 | jhutchins | khaije1: It's still testing until it is released. |
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| 18:02.31 | bsdbeard | heurist, Can't seem to get fglrx to work on the backports kernel, tried reinstalling fglrx and re-running aticonfig --initial |
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| 18:03.09 | khaije1 | ok, i wasnt sure if the migration to stable happened under the "testing" label but I guess it does |
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| 18:03.56 | babilen | bsdbeard: I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use aticonfig, but follow: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary concerning configuratoin |
| 18:04.30 | babilen | bsdbeard: And you might want to install fglrx from backports too |
| 18:04.37 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 18:04.38 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2 |
| 18:05.06 | deuterium | jhutchins: just for reference |
| 18:05.06 | bsdbeard | huh, I just tried installing it from backports and it said there's no newer version than 1:12-6 |
| 18:05.10 | babilen | there were some problems with fglrx with recent Xorg versions, but I didn't really follow it. |
| 18:05.12 | bsdbeard | scratches head |
| 18:05.23 | babilen | bsdbeard: It has 13.12 |
| 18:05.32 | bsdbeard | I will try again |
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| 18:05.33 | jhutchins | deuterium: You can store 'em wherever you want or delete them. |
| 18:06.04 | deuterium | jhutchins: ok, i just thought there's an official place for them in the file tree or so. |
| 18:06.06 | AR45 | Any i3 users around? |
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| 18:12.35 | southkey1 | petn-randall: I tried the "unofficial" firmware installer but it didn't solve the problem. Maybe you thought by reading my first message that the firmware I need was included in firmware-nonfree and if you thought this, I'm sorry because the firmware I need is apparently not included in firmware-nonfree. |
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| 18:13.52 | bsdbeard | babilen, thanks again, turns out I didn't have non-free in my backports sources.list |
| 18:14.01 | bsdbeard | hope this works now... |
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| 18:16.56 | lilwiz | is Unetbootin knowing to cause any problems with latest Debian mini iso? |
| 18:17.00 | khaije1 | likes the new release names |
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| 18:17.07 | lilwiz | Mine keeps freezing when I try to make a bootable USB |
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| 18:18.46 | babilen | dpkg: unetbootin |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:19.03 | babilen | lilwiz: Just use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 18:19.18 | babilen | ' sync" -- replace /dev/sdX with something like /dev/sdb |
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| 18:27.09 | Feveth | I can confirm the Unetbootin problem happens for me on #Slitaz, so not even the "safe" method is working. |
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| 18:28.42 | Feveth | I seriously wish Slitaz had LILO, though... |
| 18:28.45 | Feveth | Or Debian, for that matter. |
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| 18:31.05 | lilwiz | babilen, I can only make the USB on windows at the moment, any other suggestions? |
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| 18:31.41 | lilwiz | dpkg, usb install |
| 18:31.42 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 18:31.53 | jelly-home | ,v lilo |
| 18:31.54 | judd | Package: lilo on i386 -- squeeze: 1:22.8-10; wheezy: 1:23.2-4; sid: 1:24.1-1; jessie: 1:24.1-1 |
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| 18:33.16 | jelly-home | extlinux doesn't work as a linux boot loader in jessie any more, and I have irrational hatred of grub2 |
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| 18:40.35 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: it would seem like that now my luks container is corrupt and i have just lost all my data |
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| 18:41.22 | Feveth | I've looked at GRUB2 with disdain ever since it failed to boot on my iPod Shuffle. |
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| 18:42.37 | JyZyXEL | the feeling is quite unreal |
| 18:42.52 | Feveth | And if you think that's normal jelly-home, do remember that the iPod Shuffle, without the music database, is an USB storage device. |
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| 18:47.45 | jelly-home | Feveth: I just dislike replacing a mature product with known limitations for something new that promises a lot, but breaks basic functionality. GRUB2's rescue shell is totally crippled. |
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| 18:48.41 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello guys , have ocurred a strange thing here , yesterday i don't touch in any vlc dependency and today, i cannot have success on try run vlc, when i try from console this says no plugins found, but on apt-cache policy all plugins is here, what can be happening, any help are welcome |
| 18:48.43 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ? |
| 18:48.54 | babilen | lilwiz: yeah, use the image write linked in the dpkg factoid earlier -- /msg dpkg usb install |
| 18:49.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell lilwiz -about win32imagewriter |
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| 18:49.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell lilwiz -about win32diskimager |
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| 18:52.50 | lilwiz | ty babilen, got it! |
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| 18:56.59 | JyZyXEL | is there a livecd that uses debian unstable? |
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| 18:58.16 | Bartleby | No |
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| 19:00.16 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you could make your own, and I think testing sometimes has live cd's made from it |
| 19:00.35 | Bartleby | What's the purpose you want it for? |
| 19:00.44 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: live.debian.net is a set of tools to make your own live image, and it probabaly woudln't be that difficult after you set up the tools to call sid as opposed to stable as your repo in its creation |
| 19:00.46 | JyZyXEL | to try and recover my system |
| 19:01.10 | somiaj | you can recover your system from any live system (for the most part). Just need a kernel so you can chroot into your install |
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| 19:01.44 | JyZyXEL | im having trouble getting the luks partition open |
| 19:02.01 | tweety | Hello everyone |
| 19:02.13 | teraflops | yo |
| 19:02.20 | tweety | I want to install python3-simplejson in debian wheezy |
| 19:02.40 | tweety | But that package is only available in Jessie and Sid |
| 19:03.15 | tweety | Is there a way to install it in Wheezy stable? |
| 19:03.21 | Bartleby | Try wheezy-backports |
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| 19:04.07 | teraflops | tweety: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:05.48 | jordanm | tweety: no, the python3 version requires >= 3.3 and wheezy only has 3.2 |
| 19:05.54 | jordanm | so you won't have any luck with pip either |
| 19:06.09 | tweety | Ty for tips, but I've not found anything in wheezy-backports https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=simplejson&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=wheezy-backports |
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| 19:06.52 | jordanm | it's not there |
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| 19:08.01 | tweety | So do I need to upgrade to Jessie? |
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| 19:27.09 | stark | Is the microcode required for kernels above 3.14 ? |
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| 19:32.19 | RobO0 | anyone using robolinux? |
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| 19:33.33 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
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| 19:33.34 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 19:33.57 | babilen | stark: ^^^ you require microcode for all processors and kernels (unless you have up-to-date firmware, which would be better though) |
| 19:34.10 | RobO0 | whats this microcode? |
| 19:34.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell RobO0 -about robolinux |
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| 19:35.09 | RobO0 | can you use microcode to make viiri? |
| 19:35.37 | babilen | RobO0: That doesn't make sense. Do you use Debian or do you have a Debian related question? |
| 19:36.04 | RobO0 | why doesent it make sence? |
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| 19:37.54 | RobO0 | everybody is leaving debian |
| 19:38.02 | stark | babilen: Sorry i meant the newer kernels like 3.14.21-2 and later no longer loads them like the used to |
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| 19:38.05 | RobO0 | must be new polcy |
| 19:38.10 | RobO0 | policy* |
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| 19:38.57 | valdyn | stark: the text (which is probably in the changelog) that you should have seen sais that the microcode is by default loaded when you boot up |
| 19:39.09 | valdyn | stark: contrary to the current default of loading it at once |
| 19:39.18 | valdyn | stark: contrary to the *previous* default of loading it at once |
| 19:39.19 | lilwiz | RobO0, everybody leaving Debian? |
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| 19:39.50 | babilen | lilwiz: Please don't |
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| 19:40.49 | RobO0 | the key developers |
| 19:40.54 | babilen | RobO0: Please, this is a technical support channel. If you have a Debian related question then please, ask it, but keep in mind that "everybody is leaving debian" is not a support question and should therefore be taken elsewhere. Also note that our bot sent you a message about robolinux that you might want to review. |
| 19:41.07 | stark | valdyn: Thanks for confirming, didn't get time to catch up |
| 19:41.27 | valdyn | stark: the reason is some stability issues of loading it at aonce |
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| 19:42.45 | stark | valdyn: Hmm, but debian handled it like a charm no editing of grub :) |
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| 19:43.05 | RobO0 | how do i become debian developer/helper and do i get free games on steam? |
| 19:44.33 | Nik05 | RobO0 first become a maintainer |
| 19:44.50 | RobO0 | i could maintain |
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| 19:45.16 | Nik05 | and to become a maintainer first https://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
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| 19:45.22 | RobO0 | i unce made a debian package of an app that i need for my personel use |
| 19:45.46 | RobO0 | cant i do it on irc? |
| 19:46.03 | Nik05 | what? |
| 19:46.20 | RobO0 | become a newmaint |
| 19:46.29 | mtn | gets some popcorn |
| 19:46.30 | Nik05 | you need to get a sponsor |
| 19:46.35 | RobO0 | i hate redtape |
| 19:46.45 | RobO0 | sponsor? |
| 19:47.05 | Nik05 | yes |
| 19:47.13 | RobO0 | like in sports? |
| 19:47.19 | Nik05 | no |
| 19:47.26 | Nik05 | more as in mentor |
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| 19:47.44 | johnride | imitates mtn |
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| 19:48.57 | babilen | RobO0: Feel free to review http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers and all documentation linked therein. If you finally have reached the point where you can ask proper questions feel free to come back. The process is *a lot* of work and you are better off just buying a few steam games if that is your main motivation. |
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| 19:57.30 | karlpinc | I believe I heard (here?) that /etc/default/ will be depreciated. Is this so and where do I rtfm this sort of stuff. (Nothing in the on-line debian-policy manual.) Perhaps this was just for a single package? |
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| 20:01.01 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: /etc/default will probably still be useful for some stuff |
| 20:01.25 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: but /etc/default is generally only useful for sysv-style init scripts. |
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| 20:02.51 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: So it's regards systemd. Where would I get the story on that? |
| 20:03.21 | Nik05 | oke that guy is probably a troll |
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| 20:03.25 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: there's not really much of a story; it'll be dependent on the package itself |
| 20:04.06 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: unless a package provides a systemd unit file, I believe it will just keep using the init script for the immediate future. |
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| 20:05.18 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: I'm thinking of patching the tftpd-hpa sysV init script so that it won't always start unconditionally. That way the package can be kept installed. I can always uninstall it and keep the configs, just to keep from |
| 20:05.26 | karlpinc | running it all the time. But this is clunky. |
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| 20:06.07 | karlpinc | I guess I'll go ahead and submit the wishlist bug. |
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| 20:06.47 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: yeah, I think if you're using systemd, you can configure it to be only manually enable-able. |
| 20:07.03 | dondelelcaro | but if you're still using sysvinit-core, then it'll just keep working the way it has previously |
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| 20:07.36 | vook | how much of a performance increase would I likely see by partitioning drive rather than creating a filesystem on the entire drive? |
| 20:07.47 | heurist | karlpinc: you can also update-rc.d tftpd disable and it will not start automatically anymore. |
| 20:08.06 | karlpinc | heurist: That's a good point. |
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| 20:09.05 | dondelelcaro | vook: probably little to none |
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| 20:12.33 | sjulez | I'm on raspbian on my Pi and can't set up an audio-sink connection. can anyone help me troubleshoot it? |
| 20:13.04 | babilen | sjulez: You probably want #raspbian |
| 20:13.29 | sjulez | yeah...guys over there are sleeping :-/ |
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| 20:17.02 | blackjack | guys i have a noob question here. If i create a remote desktop on my debian vps, and play sound files in it, will i be able to hear it as well? |
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| 20:17.36 | blackjack | or if i play a movie for example. will it both see and hear it? |
| 20:18.15 | teraflops | blackjack: what is the _remote_desktop_ youre planning to use? |
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| 20:19.08 | blackjack | teraflops: just like a normal desktop. where i can watch movies and play sa music files |
| 20:19.22 | blackjack | same* |
| 20:19.27 | teraflops | watching a movie on a vps via vnc or whatever similar ... ewww |
| 20:19.42 | blackjack | yes its eww. but |
| 20:19.59 | teraflops | blackjack: I think you wont want that when you see the performance |
| 20:20.01 | blackjack | my question is, will i hear the sound file? |
| 20:20.11 | blackjack | will it also pass thru via the remote desktop like vnc? |
| 20:20.27 | teraflops | i think yes blackjack |
| 20:20.47 | karlpinc | blackjack: Your satisfaction will depend on the speed of the network. |
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| 20:22.37 | teraflops | blackjack: I do not know your reasons but may be just a vpn may be better |
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| 20:24.43 | cra1g321 | there is programs that will stream a video file from a VPS to your desktop, cant remember the names of them though |
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| 20:26.31 | teraflops | cra1g321: yeah, or if your concerns are about local laws may be just using a vpn solves the problem |
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| 20:27.11 | cra1g321 | why would playing a video file from a VPS be breaking the law ;) |
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| 20:28.22 | teraflops | nop cra1g321 i mean locally as I said i do not know his reasons but i.e p2p stuff may be prosecuted in his country |
| 20:28.50 | cra1g321 | ahright, didn't realise you meant locally |
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| 20:34.59 | jhutchins | blackjack: How are you planning to access teh remote desktop? |
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| 20:35.52 | Quantum` | Anyone know whether Jessie is going stable this month? Will it default to systemd? |
| 20:36.35 | jhutchins | Quantum`: It's still "when it's ready", not scheduled. |
| 20:36.38 | jhutchins | !systemd |
| 20:36.39 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 20:37.07 | babilen | Quantum`: And it will certainly not be released this month |
| 20:38.02 | ompaul | babilen: pigs have flown :) |
| 20:38.28 | ompaul | albeit in larger freighter aircraft - so it takes a bit more |
| 20:39.13 | Quantum` | I looked for a timeline on the website, but can't find one. |
| 20:39.36 | ompaul | because it doesn't exist |
| 20:39.57 | Quantum` | I guess they've discontinued that. |
| 20:40.20 | ompaul | Quantum`: you must be thinking of something with a marketing department |
| 20:40.39 | Quantum` | N, I've been around for a long time. |
| 20:42.13 | Quantum` | There's been a row over making systemd the default. Sounds like it still will be, despite us graybeards. |
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| 20:43.05 | jhutchins | Quantum`: It's not by timeline. |
| 20:43.06 | Quantum` | (... although I for one, have been using it for over a year) |
| 20:43.40 | Quantum` | I for one, welcome our new systemd overlords. |
| 20:44.44 | rgr | Quantum`: what are you talking about? Greybeards? What? What's your issue with Systemd? It works fine. |
| 20:44.49 | jhutchins | Quantum`: It looks like there are sufficient objetors to support a sysv fork, the question is whether enough of them have the needed skills. |
| 20:45.04 | rgr | And also the timeline hasnt disappeared sicne its never been there. Debian releases when its ready. |
| 20:45.37 | jordanm | let's not start yet another init flame war in here |
| 20:45.57 | jhutchins | rgr: There are plenty of reasons to object to systemd, and while "they've all been addressed" some have been addressed badly. |
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| 20:46.45 | xnrand | hey, is debian's configuration of the linux kernel affected by CVE-2014-7826? https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-7826 |
| 20:47.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell xnrand -about tracker of doom |
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| 20:48.20 | babilen | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7826 |
| 20:48.48 | xnrand | oh i wasnt aware that tracker existed, thanks a lot |
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| 20:49.27 | babilen | xnrand: Which version of Debian are you tracking? Which kernel do you have installed? |
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| 20:52.53 | Quantum` | rgr: I say systemd is better, although there is alot to learn. |
| 20:53.11 | Quantum` | I don't know how you misinterpreted me. |
| 20:53.17 | bsdbeard | Hey, I couldn't get fglrx to work on the backports kernel (black screen when I start X11) so I installed the open source radeon drivers, they load fine but I don't think they work properly |
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| 20:53.48 | bsdbeard | i.e. my opengl version is reported 2.1, but according to the x.org/radeon docs it should be 4.2 |
| 20:53.55 | wub_wub | Hi I'm using debian wheezy and I've installed the numix theme and it looks great, but some labels are using white text on a bright background so it's hard to see - is there a tool that would allow me to configure parts of the theme like that in wheezy? |
| 20:53.56 | Quantum` | bsdbeard: You can't also have Intel or nVidia drivers. |
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| 20:54.10 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, .. i dont |
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| 20:54.24 | Quantum` | Which amd card? |
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| 20:55.06 | bsdbeard | HD 5850 |
| 20:55.18 | Quantum` | Older? |
| 20:55.33 | bsdbeard | older what? |
| 20:55.50 | Quantum` | Is it an older card, like with black instead of red case? |
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| 20:56.33 | bsdbeard | it's the Evergreen codename, released in like 2010 |
| 20:56.42 | wub_wub | Here's an example app that uses wrong font color for example: http://i.imgur.com/90RFMaP.png - if my question above didn't make a lot of sense |
| 20:56.45 | bsdbeard | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ this says it should have OpenGL 4.2 support |
| 20:56.59 | somiaj | wub_wub: yes themes can probabaly be configured/altered. But theme is a vague term since there are many different DE's and WM's in debian and the one you use is important. |
| 20:57.10 | Quantum` | Should be OK with fglrx. Check your Xorg logfile. |
| 20:57.10 | bsdbeard | dmesg | \grep -E 'drm|radeon' does not output anything |
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| 20:57.21 | Quantum` | vainfo? |
| 20:57.26 | Quantum` | glxinfo? |
| 20:57.30 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, I don't think you understand I removed fglrx due to black screen and installed the radeon drivers |
| 20:57.34 | wub_wub | You're right somiaj, it's debian wheezy with xfce and numix theme - nothing special really |
| 20:57.58 | Quantum` | bsdbeard: And I'm saying there is no reason the fglrx driver wouldn't work. |
| 20:58.16 | somiaj | wub_wub: then I would search for how to modify xfce themes. Someone here may know, but an xfce support channel will have more people who would know such answers. |
| 20:58.17 | Quantum` | Check the Xorg logfile. |
| 20:58.28 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, there is something I had to modify in fglrx-module-dkms, but it was basically a typo in the source (wouldnt compile otherwise) |
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| 20:58.44 | bsdbeard | I dont know if that could cause it... I literally just fixed a wrong C style cast |
| 20:58.53 | Quantum` | Why were you compiling it? Use the binary packages. |
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| 20:59.08 | bsdbeard | It compiled itself... apt-get postinstall procedure |
| 20:59.11 | wub_wub | somiaj, Thanks I'll look it up. I was hoping for something like gtk-theme-config which seems to be only available in side and jessie which looks like it might be what I'm looking for |
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| 20:59.46 | babilen | Quantum`: It is nice if third-party modules are automatically compiled for all kernels in use. |
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| 20:59.54 | somiaj | wub_wub: well that just configures the gtk apps which xfce would use, xfce may have a more standard way, since I don't use ither I wouldn't know. |
| 20:59.55 | Quantum` | O, dkms. Well fglrx used to work fine. Check your Xorg logfile. |
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| 21:00.30 | Quantum` | Idk of anyone using radeon. |
| 21:00.30 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, where is it? |
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| 21:00.48 | Quantum` | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:01.36 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, it has nothing related to fglrx anymore, since I've just logged in with the radeon driver... should I reinstall fglrx? |
| 21:01.51 | Quantum` | I would. |
| 21:01.56 | bsdbeard | :q |
| 21:01.58 | bsdbeard | oops |
| 21:02.09 | bsdbeard | alright |
| 21:02.17 | bsdbeard | do I need to uninstall radeon drivers? |
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| 21:02.33 | Quantum` | Absolutely. And any other video drivers. |
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| 21:02.56 | Quantum` | When did it go black? Exactly when Xorg started for the login screen? |
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| 21:03.08 | Quantum` | ... or after you logged in? |
| 21:03.28 | bsdbeard | Quantum`, I typed startx, then everything went black, I couldnt even go to tty1 anymore (black too) |
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| 21:04.00 | Quantum` | That's queer. Almost like your display is put in a bad mode. |
| 21:04.05 | babilen | bsdbeard: You don't have to uninstall radeon drivers. They will be automatically blacklisted when you install fglrx. Please refer to https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary -- There is also a newer version in wheezy-backports that you might want to consider. |
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| 21:04.31 | bsdbeard | babilen, that's the version I installed, from wheezy-backports |
| 21:04.48 | bsdbeard | it had a minor bug which I fixed I don't know if that could have caused the problems... but it wouldnt install without the fix |
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| 21:05.26 | bsdbeard | alright reinstalling fglrx-driver... hope this works this time |
| 21:05.45 | babilen | (just wanted to provide some background on "uninstall radeon" as you typically only have to reboot for the blacklist to become active) |
| 21:06.10 | bsdbeard | ok |
| 21:06.40 | bsdbeard | this was the bug by the way http://devgurus.amd.com/thread/168727 |
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| 21:07.07 | bsdbeard | just had to change current_euid() to __kuid_val(current_euid()) |
| 21:07.23 | treaki | hi, i have 2 systems, onece my allday working device a thinkpad running debian testing (amd64) and on the other hand some embedded system with arm architecture running linux with some thin userlayer (busybox) |
| 21:07.36 | treaki | my goal is now to compile software for that embedded system on my thinkpad which runs independent (like portable apps) out of one folder on the embedded device |
| 21:07.45 | treaki | i know how to compile suff for my debian, mostly it is ./configure (again and again until i installed all *-dev and lib* packages required), make, sudo checkinstall make install |
| 21:07.54 | treaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.26 | bsdbeard | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (i686) , this is what happens when I install fglrx-driver from backports |
| 21:08.35 | bsdbeard | unless I fix that bug |
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| 21:11.28 | bsdbeard | I'm not sure how everyone else manages to install it without that error though |
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| 21:13.52 | ompaul | mtn: you really think that? ;-) |
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| 21:14.06 | mtn | ompaul: sure, don't you? |
| 21:14.14 | ompaul | most likely :) |
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| 21:17.12 | jhutchins | treaki: Unless the target system can have it's filesystem mounted to the Debian system, make install isn't going to do anything good. You'll probably need to use the support channels for the target system and find out how they do packaging. |
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| 21:17.34 | jhutchins | treaki: They should be able to point you toward setting up a build environment as well. |
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| 21:18.18 | bsdbeard | babilen, I just noticed there's another error - FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol '__static_cpu_has_safe' |
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| 21:19.02 | treaki | jhutchins, its an lowcost router where i was able to activate telnet by an hack, i found no community around this device |
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| 21:19.24 | jhutchins | treaki: Something pre-installed? |
| 21:19.38 | jhutchins | treaki: Some of those the only way to update them is to flash a new image. |
| 21:19.50 | bsdbeard | fixed that too.. DKMS: install completed |
| 21:19.53 | treaki | jhutchins, my goal is also to create one .tar file that contains any requirerd files to run my app portable on nearly any linux/arm based system... |
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| 21:21.23 | treaki | jhutchins, i dont want to flash anything to the internal rom because i want to avoid to brick this device, i was able to create an ext3 partition on an usb flash drive which is mounted to /stick, i would like to do anything on that usb drive... |
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| 21:22.18 | bsdbeard | I hope this works after rebooting :/ |
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| 21:25.38 | treaki | is there something like the portable apps project for windows but for embedded linux systems? |
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| 21:26.21 | treaki | will be afk for some minutes... |
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| 21:27.11 | jhutchins | treaki: Several. |
| 21:27.32 | jhutchins | !arm |
| 21:27.33 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:29.14 | bsdbeard | I could really use some help.. stuck in tty1 after trying to install fglrx from backports again, here's xorg log : termbin.com/jdo5 |
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| 21:30.00 | bsdbeard | warning - couldn't open module fglrx |
| 21:30.17 | bsdbeard | at least I dont get a black screen this time, startx just throws an error |
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| 21:31.17 | bsdbeard | dmesg | grep fglrx returns some output... so i think fglrx *did install* but startx cant load it |
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| 21:32.35 | jhutchins | bsdbeard: Did you install the kernel from backports as wel? |
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| 21:33.05 | bsdbeard | jhutchins, yes! |
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| 21:33.36 | bsdbeard | termbin.com/vrph <- the output of dmesg | grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' |
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| 21:34.31 | bsdbeard | I really don't know what to do... maybe my xorg.conf.d/thing is not correct? I used the one from debian.org/atiproprietary |
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| 21:35.51 | bsdbeard | even though I'm not in X, just tty1... it looks *different* after I installed fglrx, as if the resolution is higher... |
| 21:35.57 | bsdbeard | if that makes sense |
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| 21:36.46 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: How did that happen? |
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| 21:38.14 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: well apparently i've stumpled upon some really weird bug where something is wrong with my LUKS header and it prevents me from opening it |
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| 21:38.35 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: Ouch. Do you have a backup of the LUKS header? |
| 21:38.41 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 21:39.02 | JyZyXEL | luksDump shows them as identical though |
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| 21:39.12 | JyZyXEL | hexdump shows they are way different lol |
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| 21:40.40 | treaki | jhutchins, ok. can you tell me where to find them? |
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| 21:47.08 | bsdbeard | is there any way to check which parameters were passed to the kernel at boot? it seems if 'nomodeset' is set then fglrx wont load |
| 21:47.23 | dondelelcaro | bsdbeard: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 21:47.27 | JyZyXEL | so basically it is a luks header that has the right key material but it just doesn't work with cryptsetup |
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| 21:48.19 | bsdbeard | dondelelcaro, thanks, looks like that's not the problem... |
| 21:48.34 | bsdbeard | I'm clueless what could cause this, fglrx is loaded, but startx cant "open the fglrx module" |
| 21:49.48 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: paste.debian.net your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:51.41 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, i did ... let me scroll up a sec |
| 21:51.58 | bsdbeard | I could really use some help.. stuck in tty1 after trying to install fglrx from backports again, here's xorg log : termbin.com/jdo5 |
| 21:52.06 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, ^ |
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| 21:53.42 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: sounds like the xorg fglrx module is missing, not the kernel module |
| 21:54.08 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, what does that mean? what do I do? |
| 21:54.16 | bsdbeard | fglrx worked fine before I updated my kernel |
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| 21:55.14 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: did you reboot since then? fglrx shows up in lsmod, right? |
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| 21:55.27 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, fglrx shows up in dmesg ... let me find the paste |
| 21:55.46 | bsdbeard | termbin.com/vrph <- the output of dmesg | grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' |
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| 21:56.38 | bsdbeard | termbin.com/mn8x <- lsmod | grep fglrx |
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| 21:58.23 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, and yes I have rebooted after I installed fglrx and fglrx-module-dkms said it succesfully finished configuring |
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| 21:59.07 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: i'm out of ideas |
| 21:59.51 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: fwiw, find /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ -iname *fglrx* ? |
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| 22:00.41 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, libfglrxdrm.so |
| 22:00.59 | bsdbeard | nkuttler, could it be a xorg.conf problem? i dont have a xorg.conf only a xorg.conf.d/20.somthing.file as per the debian.wiki |
| 22:01.01 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: sounds like some kind of incompatibility.. |
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| 22:01.22 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: well, yeah, it certainly sounds like an xorg problem |
| 22:01.42 | nkuttler | and you shouldn't need a config, except for the driver section iirc |
| 22:01.48 | nkuttler | but fglrx has never worked for me anyway.. |
| 22:01.56 | bsdbeard | :/ |
| 22:02.10 | bsdbeard | would it be bad to try aticonfig --initial? |
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| 22:04.03 | nkuttler | bsdbeard: btw, did you try the stable driver? it that works for you, just get rid of the backports.. |
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| 22:04.23 | teraflops | nkuttler: just using stock kernel and official repos you get fglrx working on hd5xxx/6xxx ... |
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| 22:05.12 | nkuttler | teraflops: bsdbeard has the fglrx problem |
| 22:05.29 | bsdbeard | teraflops, hi do you have any idea what I could do? |
| 22:05.37 | teraflops | nkuttler: and what's _the problem_? |
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| 22:06.17 | bsdbeard | I could really use some help.. stuck in tty1 after trying to install fglrx from backports again, here's xorg log : termbin.com/jdo5 |
| 22:06.20 | bsdbeard | teraflops, ^ |
| 22:06.21 | teraflops | bsdbeard: just install fglrx from the repos the one that mateches your kernel and avoid using dkms, also run aticonfig --initial and reboot |
| 22:06.38 | bsdbeard | teraflops, dkms runs automatically when installing fglrx-driver |
| 22:06.46 | bsdbeard | and I installed the one matching my kernel... |
| 22:06.53 | bsdbeard | I think? |
| 22:07.09 | teraflops | bsdbeard: it looks like kms issue |
| 22:07.13 | bsdbeard | kms? |
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| 22:07.50 | teraflops | yeah kernel mode setting, nothing related to dkms btw |
| 22:08.12 | bsdbeard | I added BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to xorg.conf, maybe this will work... |
| 22:08.28 | teraflops | bsdbeard: why are you using a xorg.conf? |
| 22:08.40 | bsdbeard | it's a xorg.conf.d/20.something |
| 22:08.45 | bsdbeard | like the debian wiki said |
| 22:09.29 | bsdbeard | teraflops, is the kernel mode setting compiled in or set by the bootloader? |
| 22:10.10 | bsdbeard | cat /proc/cmdline doesn't show anything interesting |
| 22:10.47 | teraflops | bsdbeard: you need kms disabled since you are usen propietary drivers |
| 22:11.02 | teraflops | bsdbeard: but as I said juast guessing |
| 22:11.18 | bsdbeard | teraflops, alright im w3m'ing this and it says I need 'nomodeset' in the kernel |
| 22:11.24 | bsdbeard | for fglrx to work |
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| 22:11.43 | bsdbeard | but I got the kernel from wheezy-backports, shouldnt it be properly configured? |
| 22:11.47 | teraflops | bsdbeard: also if you run aticonfig --initial I also believe you do not need to create the xorg.conf file (not 100% sure about that) |
| 22:12.12 | bsdbeard | ok |
| 22:12.36 | teraflops | bsdbeard: yes, but Im watching you with this issue since almost an hour so I presume you have touched several things |
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| 22:13.00 | bsdbeard | teraflops, how can I check if the kernel has nomodeset? |
| 22:13.37 | bsdbeard | I think it's set by the bootloader, not compiled in the kernel |
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| 22:14.42 | bsdbeard | I'm pretty sure I have kernel mode set because my resolution is high in tty1, before I upgraded it was low in tty1 |
| 22:14.49 | bsdbeard | which would explain why fglrx doesnt work |
| 22:15.09 | teraflops | bsdbeard: just put nomodeset on your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and reboot |
| 22:15.50 | teraflops | bsdbeard: also if you see big letters on tty you do not have KMS :P |
| 22:16.17 | bsdbeard | teraflops, I see very small letters now |
| 22:16.22 | bsdbeard | I never had this before |
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| 22:16.25 | bsdbeard | really surprised me |
| 22:16.51 | bsdbeard | normally my tt1 has about ~80 characters max, now I have 200+ |
| 22:16.56 | nkuttler | heh. looks like fglrx works for me in jessie... that's surprising.. but my console fonts are unreadable.. go figure, something had to be broken |
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| 22:17.33 | bsdbeard | teraflops, so I just edit /etc/default/grub? |
| 22:17.36 | teraflops | bsdbeard: xf86-video-ati uses KMS fglrx does not |
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| 22:18.02 | teraflops | yeah put nomodeset as i said above and reconfigure grub |
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| 22:19.39 | bsdbeard | ok I will run grub-mkconfig i hope my computer wont explode |
| 22:20.18 | teraflops | lol bsdbeard the point is that you dealed so much with that and I do not really know if all is ok |
| 22:20.55 | bsdbeard | im going to reboot.. i hope this works |
| 22:20.58 | bsdbeard | :| |
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| 22:24.16 | bsdbeard | teraflops, adding nomodeset did nothing, everything is still small in tty1 |
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| 22:24.40 | teraflops | bsdbeard: uhm |
| 22:25.22 | bsdbeard | teraflops, cat /proc/cmdline shows nomodeset is there |
| 22:25.26 | bsdbeard | but nothing changed |
| 22:25.43 | teraflops | bsdbeard: well ... do you have the radeon blacklisted? |
| 22:25.53 | teraflops | *radeon module |
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| 22:26.12 | bsdbeard | teraflops, how do I find out |
| 22:26.39 | bsdbeard | =/ |
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| 22:27.30 | teraflops | look at /etc/modprobe.d/ or /etc/modules-load.d |
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| 22:28.24 | bsdbeard | teraflops, there is radeon.kms.conf in modprobe.d |
| 22:28.42 | teraflops | bsdbeard: im not at home now even using debian :\ so forgive me if I give you a bad path or filename |
| 22:28.51 | bsdbeard | etc/modules-load.d does not eist |
| 22:28.52 | teraflops | bsdbeard: look inside that file |
| 22:29.13 | bsdbeard | options radeon modeset=1 |
| 22:29.16 | bsdbeard | in that file |
| 22:29.40 | teraflops | well bsdbeard your pla is to use fglrx isn't it? |
| 22:29.43 | teraflops | plan* |
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| 22:30.28 | bsdbeard | teraflops, yes |
| 22:30.56 | teraflops | heh that file could not be there then |
| 22:31.13 | bsdbeard | delete it? |
| 22:31.49 | teraflops | well, but bsdbeard as I said i do not know if your driver installation is consistent |
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| 22:32.07 | teraflops | you dealed so many time with that |
| 22:32.14 | bsdbeard | =/ |
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| 22:33.34 | bsdbeard | well it can't get worse... right? |
| 22:33.37 | teraflops | bsdbeard: my last though is to rerun the installation as the wiki points, also makin sure the radeon is blacklisted, then after reboot run aticonfig --initial |
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| 22:33.48 | teraflops | heh thats the spirit |
| 22:33.49 | treaki | jhutchins, you have indicated that there are several projects like the portable apps project for windows for embedded projects |
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| 22:34.28 | teraflops | bsdbeard: sorry before* reboot or before starting X |
| 22:34.37 | treaki | did i understood you right that way? |
| 22:35.02 | treaki | jhutchins, can you tell me which projects that are and how to find out more about? |
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| 22:35.53 | bsdbeard | teraflops, I did the installation exactly as the wiki said |
| 22:36.03 | bsdbeard | teraflops, the only difference is I used wheezy-backports |
| 22:36.35 | teraflops | uhm |
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| 22:40.27 | teraflops | bsdbeard: well the radeon.kms file to 1 sounds weird then |
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| 22:41.07 | bsdbeard | hmm |
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| 22:42.25 | CalimeroTeknik | hi guys, you'll like this photo ^p^ http://www.kirikoo.net/images/14Anonyme-20141111-233341.jpg |
| 22:42.31 | CalimeroTeknik | free as in free beer? |
| 22:43.13 | CalimeroTeknik | (the photo itself is wtfpl, I took it myself) |
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| 22:44.08 | bsdbeard | hard to look at a photo when you're in tty1 ;( |
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| 22:45.38 | CalimeroTeknik | not at all, you can use fbv, bsdbeard |
| 22:45.45 | teraflops | bsdbeard: FBI |
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| 22:46.03 | CalimeroTeknik | be hype: use mplayer and fbi on KMS |
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| 22:46.41 | CalimeroTeknik | I mean mpv even |
| 22:46.48 | Zemeio | biiru suki ni wa, kore wa ii (simbolo do debian) da.... deban? : ) |
| 22:47.05 | Zemeio | biiru suki ni wa, kore wa ii (debian's symbol) da.... deban? : ) |
| 22:47.29 | treaki | Zemeio, what are you talking about, can you say it in english? |
| 22:47.32 | teraflops | CalimeroTeknik: I LOVE mpv, heh sorry |
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| 22:48.17 | treaki | bsdbeard, problems with your XServer? |
| 22:48.46 | Zemeio | it's what's written in the image |
| 22:48.53 | bsdbeard | treaki, yeah... I hope I can fix it now, going to reboot |
| 22:48.53 | bsdbeard | brb |
| 22:49.38 | Zemeio | biiru suki ni wa, kore ga ii (that symbol) da = for those who like beer, this is a good (that symbol) |
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| 22:50.15 | BlaDe^ | hi all, i'm hitting dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/mariadb-client-10.0_10.0.14-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/innochecksum.1.gz', which is also in package mariadb-server-10.0 10.0.12+maria-1~wheezy |
| 22:50.15 | Zemeio | deban = chance/oportunity, i thought it might be a pun |
| 22:50.23 | BlaDe^ | should I remove the .gz file? |
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| 22:52.40 | CalimeroTeknik | treaki, it means "to those who love beer, this is good." |
| 22:52.53 | bsdbeard | teraflops, im making progress it seems... i blacklisted the radeon module, and everything is big and ugly in tty1 again |
| 22:52.56 | CalimeroTeknik | emphasis on 'this', but there are no italics in IRC |
| 22:53.12 | bsdbeard | teraflops, when I run startx it says no screens found |
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| 22:53.23 | Zemeio | I'm still not very good in japanese, very hard to read |
| 22:53.29 | CalimeroTeknik | very easy |
| 22:53.43 | CalimeroTeknik | ALL-FREE actually refers to the yellow circles, 'alcohol-free, zero calories, â¦' |
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| 22:54.29 | CalimeroTeknik | but yeah, when I took the photo with debian in mind in 2010 I couldn't read any of this either, Zemeio |
| 22:55.02 | Zemeio | How did you learn? Any special technique? |
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| 22:55.16 | bsdbeard | treaki, any ideas? radeon blacklisted, fglrx module loaded, nomodeset in the kernel, but startx wont work |
| 22:55.35 | goose | Not sure where the "right place" to ask this would be, so thought I'd try here: Is there something I can add to my .zshrc that will tell me how many packages require an apt-get update/upgrade upon logging into a zsh session? |
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| 22:56.04 | CalimeroTeknik | I watched films, use tagainijisho (GPLv3) and translated lyrics (because nobody does it correctly), Zemeio. that was it |
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| 22:56.41 | CalimeroTeknik | I heard about tons of people watching films with subtitles like me not learning anything in decades though, it must depend on the person |
| 22:57.10 | CalimeroTeknik | whether you're actually so curious you can't help noticing words and looking them up, or not |
| 22:57.40 | Zemeio | tagainijisho is veeery good, indeed |
| 22:57.56 | treaki | bsdbeard, have you installed fglrx using the installer from amd or using some debian nofree packages? |
| 22:58.07 | CalimeroTeknik | it's ok, but EDICT is not of very high quality â well, you must be highly cautious with its glosses |
| 22:58.19 | Zemeio | I've been trying that technique also, but it takes some time (though I know the kanjis in the picture they are not the most complicated ones) |
| 22:58.30 | CalimeroTeknik | due to license issues it cannot ship other dictionary data |
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| 22:58.45 | CalimeroTeknik | good, you know èªç ? |
| 22:58.54 | bsdbeard | treaki, debian non-free packages |
| 22:59.09 | CalimeroTeknik | as in ãèªçæ¥ããã§ã¨ã (congratulations on your birthday, lit.) |
| 22:59.56 | treaki | i was never able to use them for my most recent amd graphic, only worked for old ati ones. try to remove everything which is part of it |
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| 23:00.43 | treaki | after that set up your build envivorment and install linux headers, and download and use the installer from the amd site |
| 23:00.52 | Zemeio | I didn't, but i searched for one of the components (延) and found it, it's easy to find this component |
| 23:00.56 | treaki | bsdbeard, or use the free driver instead. |
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| 23:01.26 | treaki | bsdbeard, i was able to get fglrx running this way after some hazel... |
| 23:01.31 | CalimeroTeknik | the free driver is getting better even with recent cards now |
| 23:01.35 | bsdbeard | treaki, are you using fglrx now? could you tell me what lsmod | grep fglrx outputs |
| 23:02.13 | treaki | bsdbeard, mom, have to ssh into my home and start that machine using wakeonlan... |
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| 23:04.43 | bsdbeard | is dmesg cleared after each reboot? |
| 23:05.29 | treaki | bsdbeard, do you have a machine with working grapic in your range, otherwise i would send you the output using netcat... |
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| 23:05.57 | bsdbeard | treaki, just upload it to a pastebin like termbin, I will use w3m |
| 23:06.53 | treaki | bsdbeard, thats a lot of work for you to use w3m, i will send you a netcat command... |
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| 23:07.39 | bsdbeard | treaki, what work? you just type w3m url |
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| 23:11.02 | treaki | bsdbeard, nc s007.treaki.tk 31337 > /tmp/output |
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| 23:13.33 | treaki | bsdbeard, i would also suggest you to "apt-get install gpm" which will provide mouse support for your tty which will make things much more easy for you |
| 23:13.41 | bsdbeard | treaki, in my case it says 0 instead of 486, don't know what that means |
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| 23:16.29 | treaki | bsdbeard, if i refer to lsmod | head its looks like that the column where 486 is written is titled "Used by" |
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| 23:17.03 | treaki | bsdbeard, which means both of us have the kernel module loaded but yours inst used by anything... |
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| 23:17.50 | treaki | bsdbeard, have you checked the output of your /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 23:18.50 | bsdbeard | treaki, yes, it just says failed to load module fglrex (module does not exist) |
| 23:19.16 | treaki | so that is related to the XServer module not to the kernel module |
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| 23:20.33 | bsdbeard | treaki, well I don't know what to do, everything seems to be working except X |
| 23:21.18 | treaki | i would really suggest you to remove every ati/amd graphic package (and other stuff you may have installed), use your graphical browser (using vesa) to download the official binary from amd.com and install it |
| 23:21.39 | treaki | as i have described before |
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| 23:21.56 | bsdbeard | alright |
| 23:22.02 | treaki | that way it worked best for me with any linuxdistro i have tried... |
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| 23:32.41 | level7 | hi all |
| 23:33.02 | level7 | how do I install openssl 1.0? should I compile or install with aptitude ? |
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| 23:33.31 | treaki | level7, its a interesting question you are asking |
| 23:33.57 | rwp-mobile | What Debian version are you running? |
| 23:33.59 | treaki | level7, openssl isnt a stand alone software, infact it is a lib used by some softwares |
| 23:34.02 | level7 | 7.7.0 |
| 23:34.38 | treaki | level7, we can only help you if you tell us what do you want to do with openssl |
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| 23:34.45 | level7 | treaki: I need the lib for other stuff... so just wondering if it's somethign that will take me 2 weeks to compile (really not much time to play with the compiler) |
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| 23:35.09 | level7 | dunno it's required by software/scripts written by some collegue |
| 23:35.35 | level7 | he wrote something like: get your openssl, probably you have to compile that from source |
| 23:35.45 | level7 | I have no time to play with source code..really |
| 23:35.56 | treaki | there are just very few cases where i would consider building libopenssl by my own, so i guess you will be happy with using debians development packages |
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| 23:36.57 | treaki | for example apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 23:37.07 | level7 | I hope so :) |
| 23:37.41 | treaki | the question i would ask is about the destination of the software you are developing |
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| 23:38.34 | treaki | if it is a normal linux distribution you should use the normal packages of that because you will be save with there updates for security issues |
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| 23:39.30 | treaki | but if you are developing for some embedded system (like routers) you will maybe in need to do it by your own (but that are very few cases) |
| 23:39.47 | level7 | I guess the default thing should be ok |
| 23:39.59 | level7 | now I am moving to the next step... PERL... lol |
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| 23:42.27 | treaki | level7, if you are using perl you would only install the perl module packages for use with ssl/tls and those would install all system reqs like the ssl libs for c, so you dont have to care about that at all |
| 23:43.29 | level7 | hum... I just tried with "install Net::SMTP::SSL" in the cpan shell.. it did not work :( |
| 23:44.21 | treaki | level7, just use apt-get install libnet-smtp-ssl-perl |
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| 23:44.49 | treaki | level7, so youre planing to send some mails? |
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| 23:44.57 | level7 | also |
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| 23:46.10 | level7 | what about the........Mail::POP3Client |
| 23:46.16 | level7 | for perl |
| 23:46.29 | treaki | just type what you searching behind apt-cache search |
| 23:47.03 | level7 | hum... it's a long list .... LOL |
| 23:47.18 | treaki | then youve got some work do do ;) |
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| 23:47.23 | level7 | not found |
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| 23:47.29 | level7 | yes..boring... isn't it ? |
| 23:47.30 | treaki | its looks like libmail-pop3client-perl is what you need |
| 23:48.16 | level7 | great |
| 23:48.17 | petn-randall | level7: Sorry to be pedantic, but it's Perl, not PERL. It's not an acronym :) |
| 23:48.22 | level7 | it worked :) |
| 23:48.31 | level7 | well ok.. then perl :) |
| 23:48.46 | treaki | if you want to develop some software you have to do the hard stuff, and setting up the development environment is just the begin of it... |
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| 23:49.02 | level7 | I do not want develop... just install that long silly list |
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| 23:49.08 | level7 | and configure the scripts..that's it |
| 23:49.22 | treaki | which script? |
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| 23:49.36 | level7 | a script that is part of some "strange procedure" |
| 23:49.39 | BlaDe^ | can anyone help me w/ an upgrade issue? |
| 23:49.47 | BlaDe^ | i'm getting: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/mariadb-client-10.0_10.0.14-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/innochecksum.1.gz', which is also in package mariadb-server-10.0 10.0.12+maria-1~wheezy |
| 23:49.57 | BlaDe^ | install -f doesn't help |
| 23:50.03 | petn-randall | level7: We might be able to help you if you give us some details to work with. |
| 23:50.05 | level7 | but to make it work. I need to download all the packages ..the long list |
| 23:50.11 | BlaDe^ | looks like the docs overwrite each other, which seems like some package issue? should I just remove it manually? |
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| 23:50.15 | petn-randall | ,v mariadb |
| 23:50.16 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in i386. |
| 23:50.22 | level7 | sure petn-randall.... just install the long list of the Perl stuff |
| 23:50.32 | treaki | BlaDe^, do you use strange things in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:50.40 | petn-randall | ,v mariadb-client |
| 23:50.41 | judd | Package: mariadb-client on i386 -- sid: 5.5.39-2; jessie: 10.0.14-2; sid: 10.0.14-2 |
| 23:50.44 | treaki | BlaDe^, or do you install packages manual? |
| 23:50.50 | BlaDe^ | treaki: no and no |
| 23:51.03 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: Ask the people who created that package, it's not part of Debian. |
| 23:51.16 | treaki | BlaDe^, you are using sid or testing? |
| 23:51.35 | BlaDe^ | is sid unstable? - i'm using unstable |
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| 23:52.18 | petn-randall | !tell level7 -about details |
| 23:52.28 | treaki | BlaDe^, so you probably should change to testing which is much more stable then sid. (did the same mistake) |
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| 23:52.54 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: 10.0.12+maria-1~wheezy is hinting that it's a package meant for wheezy, which you have installed for sid. |
| 23:52.55 | BlaDe^ | treaki: oh I thought it was in reverse.. I thought it went testing -> unstable -> main |
| 23:52.57 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 23:52.57 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:53.06 | treaki | BlaDe^, and if petn-randall told you that this package inst part of debian you are using thats what i would consider as strange tings... |
| 23:53.33 | BlaDe^ | treaki: it's not a core debian package sure, but isn't that the same for 90% of packages? (genuine question) |
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| 23:53.50 | BlaDe^ | petn-randall: i see-- i wonder how that happened, you think I went from wheezy -> sid then did an upgrade? |
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| 23:54.45 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: No, you installed packages that are not from Debian. Probably from a mariadb repo. There never was a mariadb package in Debian wheezy. |
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| 23:55.10 | BlaDe^ | petn-randall: ohhhh, you're right. I just noticed I have a sources.d file containing deb-src http://nyc2.mirrors.digitalocean.com/mariadb/repo/10.1/debian wheezy main |
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| 23:56.01 | treaki | BlaDe^, as far as i know, local maintainer systems > unstable (sid) (much testing) > testing (still tested from some peoples) > debian freeze > much much more testing (its finished when it is finished...) > stable (not recent versions but tested a very long time) |
| 23:57.27 | BlaDe^ | treaki: i've updated the source file to use sid, but now it's stuck with the wheezy version and I can't remove until i resolve the msimatch |
| 23:57.32 | BlaDe^ | treaki: how's best to proceed here? |
| 23:57.47 | Brigo | treaki you miss experimental :) |
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| 23:59.03 | treaki | !downgrade |
| 23:59.03 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:59.30 | BlaDe^ | treaki: don't I need to upgrade? from wheezy -> sid ? |
