| 00:00.22 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: That package isn't from wheezy, so there's nothing to "upgrade" to. You probably need to remove it, make a backup of the databases before you do. |
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| 00:01.40 | treaki | Brigo, ok thanks, goes before unstable if i remember right, are the other parts correct? |
| 00:01.51 | BlaDe^ | petn-randall: this is a slave, so not a huge problem. Though i should only need to remove the client not the server part right? |
| 00:02.56 | treaki | BlaDe^, i dont know what you need or dont need, its sounds much as you have done some things wrong and you maybe should read some basic stuff about debian and find out what went wrong and then do it again.,.. |
| 00:03.32 | Brigo | treaki, yes. |
| 00:03.41 | treaki | ;) |
| 00:04.16 | BlaDe^ | treaki: i'd like to remove a package entirely wihout processing the pending installs |
| 00:04.33 | BlaDe^ | treaki: should I use dpkg -r or will that cause further issues? |
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| 00:05.34 | treaki | BlaDe^, tell us maybe a little more about your system history... what version is installed, how that foreigner package came onto your system |
| 00:06.17 | treaki | BlaDe^, i dont know enough about your system to know about what would create issues and what not |
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| 00:06.46 | treaki | first of all, to avoid further problems if issues come across check your backup |
| 00:07.09 | BlaDe^ | treaki: I think what occurred is that it was originally all wheezy, and then I changed to sid but missed the sources.d/maria.conf |
| 00:07.29 | BlaDe^ | treaki: then I think I did a dist-upgrade, and that's when this problem seems to have occurred |
| 00:07.35 | wolfmitchell | How would I add my own program to the list in a display manager (ie. kdm/lightdm/etc etc) |
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| 00:07.46 | BlaDe^ | treaki: i'm not concerned with losing data, it's a slave and i have point in time recovery on the master in addition to backups |
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| 00:08.02 | treaki | if you change a to a distro you will generally do that with dist-upgrade, have you done that? |
| 00:08.22 | BlaDe^ | treaki: the dist-upgrade is what has failed in this case |
| 00:08.52 | treaki | normally you wouldnt touch anything inside sources.d, ust use sources.list |
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| 00:09.27 | BlaDe^ | treaki: this is the current state -- http://pastie.org/pastes/9713084/text?key=w6njdpv97ylewgx6jnoq |
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| 00:09.37 | treaki | and if you tell me something about maria.conf its sounds like if you have installed foreigner packages... |
| 00:10.27 | BlaDe^ | this is the error: http://pastie.org/pastes/9713085/text?key=ucdkd8kis7ekvujwudeyya |
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| 00:12.08 | treaki | i have learned that you can only dist-upgrade step by step, but i dont know how that is if you are going from stable to sid, so its possible that you have tried to jump over one release and so trashed your system |
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| 00:13.00 | roothorick | what's the easiest way to get miniupnpd on wheezy? |
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| 00:14.06 | treaki | because you have done that wrong and there is no way to downgrade you should re install your system, either using the debian installer or only removing your system directory's and putting some new debootstrap over it... |
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| 00:16.30 | treaki | roothorick, there is nothing about it in debian backports, so either try to use foreigner testing repro in your /etc/apt/sources.list or build it by hand |
| 00:16.49 | roothorick | foreigner what? |
| 00:17.30 | treaki | roothorick, you can mix up packages from different debian releases if you do it very carefully... |
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| 00:19.12 | petn-randall | ,checkbackports miniupnpd |
| 00:19.16 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport miniupnpd |
| 00:19.17 | treaki | for that you would enter a line of another debian release into your sources list under your main distribution, and try to install the required package, but if the initial dependency check fails you shouldn't try to do anything more until you want to destroy your system |
| 00:19.18 | judd | Backporting package miniupnpd in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 00:19.39 | petn-randall | roothorick: You can backport it yourself. |
| 00:19.46 | petn-randall | !tell roothorick about ssb |
| 00:20.31 | petn-randall | roothorick: dpkg sent you the basic steps, replace 'sid' with 'jessie' in every step. |
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| 00:20.40 | petn-randall | roothorick: If you get stuck, feel free to ask here. |
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| 00:21.31 | rryoumaa | if i install debian, then move the installation into a new computer what kinds of issues might there be? |
| 00:21.35 | treaki | again learned something new ;) |
| 00:21.59 | treaki | is there a way to download the knowledge database of the dpkg bot for browsing it offline? |
| 00:22.25 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: As long as the CPU architecture stays the same, and both systems boot either as legacy BIOS, or UEFI, everything should be fine. |
| 00:22.31 | yhager | Bug #758183 is marked resolved in gdm-3.14.1-3. Does anybody know when it will be available for jessie? |
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| 00:23.13 | Brigo | ,v gdm3 |
| 00:23.15 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-1; sid: 3.14.1-3 |
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| 00:23.43 | rryoumaa | petn-randall: thanks. i am going to install using virtualbox if possible. i presume that can be made to be the same? also, how do i tell whether bios or uefi? (i also need to know if a 3tb hdd will work.) |
| 00:23.43 | treaki | rryoumaa, there are no issues at, windows has big broblems with that but i am using on thins thinkpad an debian installation which i had still at debian 4 on an very old laptop... |
| 00:23.55 | rryoumaa | treaki: thanks |
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| 00:24.35 | Brigo | yhager, it reached sid today, so 10 day, i think |
| 00:24.58 | yhager | Brigo: thx |
| 00:25.16 | treaki | rryoumaa, just enter the boot menu of your motherboard (mostly F12 or F8 at boot time) and have a look if there is something written about uefi... Also you can refer to the manual... |
| 00:25.33 | Brigo | yhager, np :) |
| 00:25.54 | rryoumaa | treaki: really old computer, no manual, and i don't recall uefi but i will take a look when i reboot |
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| 00:26.23 | petn-randall | yhager, Brigo, jessie is frozen now, so packages will only migrate manually. |
| 00:26.28 | treaki | if it is really old you sure dont have uefi |
| 00:26.58 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: what treaki said, UEFI is quite a new technology :) |
| 00:27.04 | treaki | it came up just last year on consumer motherboards if i remember correctly |
| 00:27.06 | yhager | petn-randall: this one is marked as "Resolved bugs -- Serious (policy violations or makes package unfit for release)". So I figured it should make it through |
| 00:27.20 | Brigo | petn-randall, ah, i didnt know, even it is only a new debian version? |
| 00:27.30 | rryoumaa | ok, i will set virtualbox to bios (if that is possible). then i presume i can only use 2tb drives? |
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| 00:29.19 | treaki | rryoumaa, if you talking about size of the system storage device, just use a small value and grow it up on the native drive... |
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| 00:30.06 | petn-randall | treaki: It's been around a little longer, but yeah :) |
| 00:30.48 | rryoumaa | treaki: no i mean a physical hdd, as i heard that 2tb is nto supported by (some combination of mbr/gpt/bios/uefi/wtf) |
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| 00:32.31 | treaki | rryoumaa, you can also use GPT to use hdds bigger then 2TB but boot using legacy bios... |
| 00:33.12 | treaki | grub2 is able to do all that... |
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| 01:11.05 | notoyahora | hello to everyone, Iam using debian testing and I have a problem with the fxce environenment, when I insert a usb memry it is automounted on /media/sdX1, but I don't have permission for anythign becuase it is mounted as root, what is going wrong? |
| 01:11.49 | vook_ | I'm noticing in xen systems that while a guest may be consuming %100 cpu, the hypervisor (in top) reports virtually no cpu usage. What is this about? I do I get an accurate picture of what is going on in the hypervisor? |
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| 01:16.00 | ghormoon | vook_: try xl top :) |
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| 01:18.35 | vook_ | hmm - the interesting thing here - the hypervisor is a 4 core xeon 1.8ghz with 8gb of ram. The guys who set up the primary guest set it up as a 6 core with 12gb of ram. I really don't understand how that's possible. |
| 01:18.40 | ghormoon | vook_: since dom0 is "just a more priviledged VM" it doesn't even make sense that you'll see the processes from domUs in eg. top, asking the hypervisor is the right way, you can see consumption of each VM (including dom0) then |
| 01:18.59 | dondelelcaro | vook_: If I were to guess, I'd guess ht. |
| 01:19.32 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys. I have created a file named 'limit' by doing # touch --date='2013-01-01' limit. Now I want to find all my files recent than that date.. I do: find /var/fileserver -newer limit | xargs du -shc |
| 01:19.37 | dimitry7 | am I doing it right??? |
| 01:19.49 | ghormoon | vook_: check how much RAM do you see in the xl top, is there really 12gb? I'd expect it to be lowered ... or maybe it swaps? (can't really tell, I don't ave swap on my xen hypervisor) |
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| 01:21.03 | vook_ | ghormoon: yes, it says 12gb, and the CPU time bumps above 400% at times. |
| 01:21.51 | vook_ | wow, no, the hyperviser claims to have only 2gb |
| 01:21.52 | ghormoon | vook_: cpu usage is 100% per core (counting HT too, so I get close to 400% on 2core HT) |
| 01:22.12 | vook_ | with the guest having 12gb. |
| 01:22.19 | ghormoon | vook_: how big is the swap? |
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| 01:22.54 | vook_ | the swap on the hypervisor is 4gb, but its basically empty. on the guest RAM is 12gb, swap is 10GB. |
| 01:23.08 | vook_ | mostly empty on the guest too |
| 01:23.19 | ghormoon | i think what matters here is host ram, host swap, guest ram |
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| 01:24.39 | ghormoon | what do you have in xl top in mem and what for maxmem for dom0 and domU? |
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| 01:25.31 | vook_ | Domain-0 -----r 1177899 7.1 2092920 12.5 2097152 |
| 01:25.32 | vook_ | new- -----r 18785151 321.4 12582912 75.2 12583936 |
| 01:26.17 | vook_ | the hyperthreading idea makes some sense, but not quite the RAM |
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| 01:28.16 | ghormoon | eh, which column is what? I've asked for two :P (the low ones are percents, but still there's one excess I don't know what it is, I don't see simmiliar one in my xl top) |
| 01:29.24 | vook_ | sorry - the 3rd to last and last columns are mem and maxmem |
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| 01:30.47 | ghormoon | what is the one with 18gb in? I don't seee simmilar one ... just curious :) |
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| 01:30.59 | ghormoon | btw what you have in total_memory and free_memory in xl info? |
| 01:32.16 | vook_ | ah, interesting. ok this solves it sort of. The top line says mem 16gb and cpus 8. |
| 01:33.36 | vook_ | The last time I set up a xen system I don't recall it being like this. It's been a while though. |
| 01:33.39 | vook_ | Thanks ghormoon |
| 01:33.52 | ghormoon | that makes sense, just for curiosity, do you have ~4gb in free_memory? (in my case, dom0 is not limited, so it takes all the rest, I have like 300mb free memory) |
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| 01:34.26 | vook_ | I have approx 2gb free. Probably 12 for the guest, 2 for the host, and 2 available. |
| 01:34.38 | ghormoon | eh, yup, sorry |
| 01:34.46 | ghormoon | my math was 12+2+4=16 :D |
| 01:34.51 | vook_ | yep - cool. ok, time to call it a day. Thanks again. |
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| 01:35.26 | ghormoon | maybe I've calculated with the 18gb I have no idea where they got here :D |
| 01:35.39 | ghormoon | btw what is that column? still curious, can't find that one |
| 01:35.55 | astings | O.O |
| 01:36.56 | ghormoon | ah, I've just realised cpu time is in whole seconds and if it runs long enough, it makes sense |
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| 01:55.59 | MrPsy | OK |
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| 01:57.20 | astings | windows is the best operating system in the world |
| 01:58.02 | astings | it is very safe |
| 02:00.16 | drewbug | Found it: partman-auto |
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| 02:06.47 | astings | this channel is for windows? |
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| 02:09.52 | AlexLikerock | any one baned to astings , pleas |
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| 02:12.30 | astings | fat lip |
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| 02:47.31 | AlexLikerock | if i run aprogram by CRON , |
| 02:47.38 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.54 | AlexLikerock | exp: gedit, kate, etc.etc |
| 02:47.55 | ruukasu | is there any way to tell which firmware-* someone needs for their wireless card? |
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| 02:48.01 | AlexLikerock | nautilus,etc |
| 02:48.03 | ruukasu | based on lspci or something? |
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| 02:52.46 | ruukasu | ok, it turns out lspci has |
| 02:52.49 | ruukasu | 05:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
| 02:53.01 | ruukasu | but they have latest firmware-realtek |
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| 02:53.08 | relaxed | ruukasu: dmesg|grep -i firmware |
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| 02:55.34 | ruukasu | relaxed: https://bpaste.net/show/8163caec2dfe |
| 02:56.22 | relaxed | ruukasu: looks like it loaded the needed firmware |
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| 02:57.55 | ruukasu | odd |
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| 02:58.43 | relaxed | sometimes there's a switch to enable/disable wifi on some laptops. Make sure it's switched on. |
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| 03:03.04 | relaxed | also check if `ifconfig -a` lists the wlan0 interface |
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| 03:22.15 | klys | hi |
| 03:22.37 | Muckrat | mint is debian based is it not? |
| 03:23.00 | klys | mint uses dpkg with apt and linuxmint repositories, yes. |
| 03:23.26 | danlamanna | if i accidentally selected "print server" during installation of wheezy - how can i remove everything that installed? |
| 03:23.41 | Muckrat | awesome thanks for clearing that up for me |
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| 03:26.29 | Muckrat | does anyone know how to speed up a distro installed onto card but not running as a live disk? |
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| 03:28.20 | klys | use sleeker programs |
| 03:29.48 | cra1g321 | danlamanna i think that's maybe the meta-package called task-print-server |
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| 03:30.18 | cra1g321 | i could be completely wrong |
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| 03:33.29 | klys | # apt-cache showpkg task-print-server // get all the reverse-depends on your list and when done, run deborphan |
| 03:34.03 | Muckrat | thanks |
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| 03:34.25 | Muckrat | sorry im a linux noob |
| 03:35.07 | cra1g321 | klys , could he also do - apt-get remove task-print-server then apt-get autoremove ? |
| 03:35.10 | danlamanna | worked, thanks cra1g321 and klys |
| 03:36.01 | klys | cra1g321, those features are too new for me to delineate. my guess is that autoremove will only remove unused libraries/devlibs. |
| 03:36.59 | cra1g321 | ok was just curious |
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| 03:54.03 | Carlo] | Alguien conoce de algun servidor web ligero que soporte PHP? |
| 03:54.13 | Carlo] | nada de APACHE |
| 03:54.37 | Carlo] | que sea liviano y lo mas simple posible |
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| 04:23.32 | klys | hil |
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| 04:28.12 | dym | Hey! I need some urgent help. I was trying to replace a faulty mdraid drive when i accidently overwrite the partition table of the intact drive (which was msdos and now is GPT :( ). i still have the partition table "backed up" (shell wise). How should i proceed without destroying the entire box? |
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| 04:30.05 | klys | when you say, overwrote the partition table, what tool were you using? |
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| 04:31.17 | dym | i falsely assumed the source drive was using a GPT, so sgdisk |
| 04:31.33 | dym | sgdisk -R /dev/sdb /dev/sda - to be exact |
| 04:31.52 | dym | i still have the initial parted output of said drive |
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| 04:33.47 | dym | klys: http://pastebin.com/8Ny3V8EG |
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| 04:34.47 | dym | Never do things half-asleep :( a tutorial which i used was VERY misleading - parameter wise. |
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| 04:39.43 | dym | klys: Does the output of the old partition table suffice for a restore? |
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| 04:42.52 | dym | okay, now this is odd. it looks like there were errors on the initial first attempt to copy the tables |
| 04:43.07 | dym | http://pastebin.com/jNNGvLsw |
| 04:43.37 | dym | dammit |
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| 04:47.03 | dym | the / md-partition is 1,8TB. Can MSDOS even be that big? |
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| 04:48.59 | klys | well |
| 04:49.08 | klys | from your paste |
| 04:49.45 | klys | it looks like your raid configuration has detected unexpected contente on sector 0 of /dev/sda |
| 04:50.15 | klys | and with that in mind may have discontinued use of that particular sector |
| 04:50.29 | dym | okay |
| 04:50.32 | klys | not that I would know |
| 04:51.17 | klys | if you're going to be making mistakes like this, try to remove /dev/sda, etc... from /dev |
| 04:51.58 | dym | sweet jesus. any idea on how to proceed now? How do i restore the initial partition table on the working drive? |
| 04:51.58 | klys | you may have raid-related logs in dmesg |
| 04:52.18 | klys | the only drive you are using is /dev/md0 |
| 04:53.52 | dym | no |
| 04:53.59 | dym | md0 md1 and md2 |
| 04:54.06 | klys | true |
| 04:54.11 | dym | md0 is a Raid 1 of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:54.20 | dym | md1 is a Raid 1 of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 |
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| 04:54.31 | dym | and md2 is raid1 of /dev/sda3 and sdb3 |
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| 04:55.20 | klys | why were your partitions not on cylinder boundaries |
| 04:55.46 | dym | klys: to be fair - this system has been running very long and tonight a drive failed |
| 04:55.57 | dym | i have one of the two removed and was now trying to rebuild the raid |
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| 04:56.06 | dym | (whilst half asleep/idiotic) |
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| 04:56.53 | klys | do you ever log the output of, say, fdisk /dev/md0; fdisk>x ; fdisk>d; /* this info */ fdisk>q ; // how to dump the partition table in hex |
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| 04:57.55 | dym | klys: i currently have nothing but what the output in my still open shells show me |
| 04:58.22 | klys | themill: are you here this hour |
| 04:58.45 | dym | im kind of panicing - this is a KVM machine that runs virtual hosts and im considering migrating them. but then again there are many IP's it which i depend on :( |
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| 05:03.58 | dym | :/ |
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| 05:06.20 | klys | dym: does the output of `mount' indicate that any of the above are mounted? |
| 05:06.37 | dym | the system is running |
| 05:06.42 | dym | im connected to it via ssh |
| 05:07.08 | dym | http://pastebin.com/Pk6hmG8L |
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| 05:08.15 | klys | I see md1 there, is / also an md device? |
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| 05:11.41 | dym | klys: yes - it's /dev/md2 |
| 05:11.46 | dym | things are all bugged up now |
| 05:12.49 | dym | seriously - there has to be a way to at least recover the partitioning of /dev/sdb which was still intact |
| 05:13.09 | dym | i'd appreciate all help! |
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| 05:13.56 | Ooze | Hi, I'm trying to add this package, but it says it'd not available. Is there another way to download it for my system? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/libavcodec-extra-54 |
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| 05:16.55 | klys | dym, I don't think gpart will help if they were not on cylinder boundaries. |
| 05:18.25 | dym | okay, let's go step by step |
| 05:18.26 | dym | sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda |
| 05:18.40 | dym | this means sfdisk will dump the table from /dev/sdb and write it to /dev/sda, right? |
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| 05:23.59 | klys | it seems you are missing the parition table of /dev/sda then. how did you partition it in the first place? with /sbin/fdisk? or cfdisk? or gpart? |
| 05:24.24 | klys | s/gpart/gparted/ |
| 05:24.38 | Ooze | Anyone maybe? |
| 05:25.09 | klys | ooze, search for deb-multimedia |
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| 05:25.23 | dym | klys: unfortunately i dont remember. |
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| 05:25.40 | Ooze | klys, will that be included within that package? |
| 05:25.51 | klys | ooze, use a search engine |
| 05:26.04 | Ooze | I just read from an old forum comment this package is supposed to resolve my problem but it's not in recent repos |
| 05:26.09 | Ooze | There's ubuntu and sid |
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| 05:27.00 | klys | dym, did you perhaps partition them in megabytes? |
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| 05:28.19 | dym | klys: good chance i did. |
| 05:28.21 | klys | dym, even if you used third-party software to partition it, you may have to find that software and look at your attempt. |
| 05:29.15 | dym | klys: to be honest - i cant even remember how that machine was installed, since it's so long ago. |
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| 05:29.29 | dym | i might just have to migrate the vital machines to another installation and move the ip adresses over |
| 05:29.41 | dym | fuck! this was not my plan of a night. |
| 05:29.48 | klys | every boot sector has a signature 55 AA at the end. |
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| 05:32.43 | dym | klys: How long can this system run in this state? |
| 05:32.59 | dym | long enough to setup a new one and migrate the Virtual machines hosted on it? |
| 05:33.08 | dym | (as in ~24 hrs?) |
| 05:33.23 | klys | dym, your md arrays are mounted. recover by copying what is mounted to removable media/storage. |
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| 05:37.18 | dym | klys: there are virtual machines on that host. im going to export them to another VM host, setup a new machine and move them back |
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| 05:43.43 | unclezipper | Hey all, I just got a Lenovo T420... I put Debian with KDE on it, but Kwin seems to crash when I try to enable GL compositing. Integrated graphics, intel i915. Any ideas on where I should start? |
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| 05:46.20 | unclezipper | K |
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| 07:38.59 | sep | hello. in debian the file 75-persistent-net-generator.rules explicitly ignores vmware interfaces... so there are no 70-persistent-net.rules entries for the vmware interfaces. so when someone add a interface in the machine in vmware, debian reshuffle the order of the interfaces... since it's explicitly ignored in the generator i assume someone wants this behavior, I have googled for the rationale behind that. and failed to find anything... does a |
| 07:38.59 | sep | ny of you know why one does not want to register the mac addresses on the vmware machines? also perhaps there is a better way to maintain interface order in debian on vmware that i am not aware of? |
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| 07:44.14 | Budd | I'm trying to manually configure a wireless dongle to be IBSS and IPv6-only, but the IPv6 address isn't getting assigned. |
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| 07:45.23 | Budd | Probably not related, but if I run "ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0", I get " SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.", and the device is in "managed" mode. |
| 07:45.36 | Budd | (though it boots to IBSS correctly) |
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| 07:59.00 | Lope | I'm boycotting Debian Jesse because of the Debian's team's decision to use systemd http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
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| 08:02.04 | Booli | Specific question: Running Debian Wheezy on a gigabyte brix (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4748#ov). My HDMI used to work, but suddenly it stopped working and it now only works on the mini display port. It isnt the hardeware because I tried it on a different brix, with the same install image, and it does the same. Any one has ever encountered a similar |
| 08:02.04 | Booli | hdmi problem? |
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| 08:21.15 | gtristan | I have an odd question that is not exactly #debian related, but I suspect someone here will know what's going on |
| 08:21.31 | gtristan | Basically, I develop a lot and so use a lot of relocated libs and binaries |
| 08:22.02 | gtristan | I just installed a fresh sqlite3 with the ./configure --prefix=/opt/devel and --libdir=/opt/devel/lib64 |
| 08:22.32 | gtristan | and I know that the fresh sqlite3 build is in my PATH, and my LD_LIBRARY_PATH setup properly and everything |
| 08:22.42 | gtristan | but when I type 'sqlite3' in the shell, I get: |
| 08:22.53 | gtristan | SQLite header and source version mismatch |
| 08:22.53 | gtristan | 2014-10-29 13:59:56 3b7b72c4685aa5cf5e675c2c47ebec10d9704221 |
| 08:22.53 | gtristan | 2011-11-01 00:52:41 c7c6050ef060877ebe77b41d959e9df13f8c9b5e |
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| 08:23.13 | gtristan | however, when I type '/opt/devel/bin/sqlite3'... I dont get that error |
| 08:23.15 | relaxed | `which sqlite3` |
| 08:23.27 | gtristan | that types /opt/devel/bin/sqlite3 |
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| 08:23.41 | gtristan | as I mentioned, it *is* in the PATH (I did check that ;-) ) |
| 08:23.56 | gtristan | actually typing `which sqlite3` directly launches it without error too |
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| 08:24.05 | Lope | So it really perplexes me that Debian would choose to use systemd, since it's got such serious problems that compromise stability, security and openness. These are fundamental characteristics that make GNU/Linux great. And Debian has a reputation for being stable. And beyond that, systemd is in such early stages of development, with serious, ongoing developer and stability problems. Why on earth would the debian team choose to destroy |
| 08:24.07 | Lope | Debian in this way? |
| 08:24.20 | gtristan | now, to make things more interesting... When I start a *new* shell... the problem completely goes away |
| 08:24.22 | relaxed | er, I meant echo `which sqlite3`. |
| 08:24.51 | gtristan | it would seem that the shell/environment/something is doing some evil binary caching behind my back, but I cant pinpoint where it's coming from :-/ |
| 08:25.09 | gtristan | relaxed, yes, I did that, and I know it prints /opt/devel/bin/sqlite3 ;-) |
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| 08:25.32 | tekzilla | is it possible KVM's libvirtd (maybe only in conjunction with the virt-manager GUI) still has memory leaks on debian stable ? |
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| 08:25.51 | relaxed | gtristan: run `hash -r` in the terminal giving you issues, then try `sqlite3` again. |
| 08:26.01 | gtristan | the thing is, of course this problem, in this case is 'not such a big deal', but if you want to build a whole stack... you want to be damn sure that the binary you installed from a previously built package, is the one that will be used in build scripts called from the next package |
| 08:26.14 | gtristan | hmm, hash -r |
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| 08:26.18 | gtristan | looks into that |
| 08:26.23 | relaxed | help hash |
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| 08:27.48 | gtristan | relaxed, that gives me man pages from Berklay DB hash (3) |
| 08:28.06 | gtristan | I wonder if it would be wise to insert such a command between building each package/tarball |
| 08:29.00 | nkuttler | gtristan: he said help, not man? |
| 08:29.08 | gtristan | I see it seems to be the problem... typing 'hash' lists the programs I ran since I started the shell |
| 08:29.14 | gtristan | nkuttler, yeah I did that too, same page though |
| 08:29.31 | nkuttler | gtristan: that shouldn't be.. which shell are you using? |
| 08:29.33 | relaxed | huh? `help` is a bash builtin |
| 08:29.42 | nkuttler | indeed |
| 08:29.50 | relaxed | and so is `hash` |
| 08:29.59 | gtristan | help is an emacs based docs browser afaik, it still is here anyway |
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| 08:30.28 | relaxed | you run commands from within emacs? |
| 08:30.28 | nkuttler | gtristan: usually when people give you commands they expect you to run them in the default shell |
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| 08:30.52 | gtristan | looks like I'm using bash here |
| 08:31.15 | gtristan | oh sorry... damn |
| 08:31.31 | gtristan | relaxed, nkuttler ... I was mixed up... 'help' != 'info' |
| 08:31.37 | gtristan | my bad sorry |
| 08:31.38 | Lope | Seriously, Debian, the "stable distro" want's to include this kind or rubbish (systemd) in it's distro? it makes no sense: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/linus-torvalds-vs-kay-sievers-4175500369/ |
| 08:31.55 | nkuttler | !tell Lope about ot |
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| 08:35.50 | An_Ony_Moose | Is there a way to get Iceweasel's file-opening actions to integrate properly into the (KDE) desktop, e.g. opening PDFs with Okular as selected in the KDE desktop, rather than with GIMP? |
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| 08:37.14 | relaxed | An_Ony_Moose: I pretty sure you can do it through iceweasel's settings. |
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| 08:37.54 | An_Ony_Moose | relaxed: I could, but I'd rather it update the filetype associations correctly |
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| 08:38.04 | An_Ony_Moose | and not have to go through every filetype I'm likely to ever download |
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| 08:38.12 | bahax | Hi, I had nvidia+bumblebee+cuda working on Debian 7 but needed to upgrade to a newer nvidia driver so I installed nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports and the kernel didn't load nvidia driver, so how can I check if I have any driver and how to make the kernel load it if there is any? |
| 08:38.33 | bahax | I can't use optirun anymore it says "connect failed: No such file or directory" |
| 08:38.45 | bahax | I used lspci -k and found " VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1058 (rev ff)" with no kernel driver in use (empty line) |
| 08:39.19 | An_Ony_Moose | bahax: it may well be blacklisted, I had the same issue |
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| 08:39.30 | An_Ony_Moose | bahax: will it load correctly if you try to do it manually? |
| 08:39.35 | An_Ony_Moose | (modprobe nvidia) |
| 08:39.53 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, I didn't try |
| 08:40.03 | bahax | I will, just a moment |
| 08:40.15 | An_Ony_Moose | if it does, check /etc/modprobe.d/ to see if there's any configuration that blacklists the driver |
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| 08:40.40 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, it did nothing |
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| 08:40.54 | An_Ony_Moose | bahax: now try restarting your display manager |
| 08:41.12 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, I have blacklisted the open source driver before so it doesn't conflict with nvidia's |
| 08:41.37 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, will ctrl+alt+backspace do in gnome 3? |
| 08:41.54 | An_Ony_Moose | bahax: not if it's not running in the first place. Try service gdm3 restart |
| 08:42.23 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, it's running I have optimus so intel's graphics is working |
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| 08:42.57 | bahax | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.58 | bahax | Subsystem: Lenovo Device 5001 |
| 08:42.58 | bahax | Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 08:43.04 | An_Ony_Moose | oh right |
| 08:43.21 | An_Ony_Moose | In that case I don't really know, sorry |
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| 08:43.34 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, np thanks a lot |
| 08:43.56 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, but maybe you can help me in something |
| 08:44.06 | An_Ony_Moose | go on |
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| 08:44.42 | bahax | I want to know if the package I installed nvidia-kernel-dkms has installed any driver |
| 08:45.16 | bahax | maybe with a different name like nvidia-xx or something |
| 08:45.21 | bahax | where to look |
| 08:45.23 | bahax | ? |
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| 08:46.14 | bahax | when optirun says "directory not found" where is it searching? |
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| 08:47.46 | bahax | in bumblebee config I specified nvidia as the driver "Driver=nvidia" and "KernelDriver=nvidia-current" |
| 08:48.09 | bahax | maybe I should edit something there? |
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| 08:48.18 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, any idea? |
| 08:49.24 | An_Ony_Moose | Don't know, sorry. I have two GPUs in my laptop too, but I'm fine with running just the low-power one and it just so happens that the drivers are fine with that so I didn't bother trying to use bumblebee |
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| 08:51.37 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, so you are using nouveau? |
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| 08:51.45 | An_Ony_Moose | bahax: no, nvidia |
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| 08:52.21 | An_Ony_Moose | but it picked the right GPU so it's all good :P |
| 08:52.26 | An_Ony_Moose | Anyway I need to head. See you! |
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| 08:52.39 | bahax | An_Ony_Moose, thanks, and bye! |
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| 08:57.34 | bahax | is there a command to close all open windows (programs)? |
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| 09:26.33 | drdom | Good Morning everybody, I do have a problem with an apache "cron" or cron-like job starting (by user root) every morning, using 100% cpu, but with no entry in any crontab. Apache freezes (or loops infinitely), need to kill processs twice, restart job. I do not find any entry in systlog, apache that helps. Can anybody tell me where to look for "cron-like" jobs? Or any other idea? |
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| 09:32.51 | relaxed | drdom: look at /etc/cron* |
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| 09:52.44 | babilen | pfote: Check crontabs |
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| 09:56.01 | babilen | relaxed: Indeed (hence the +b) |
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| 10:01.27 | Leoneof | hi, after update + reboot, i got black screen with a message "systemd-logind[3107]: Failed to start user service: Unknown unit: user@1000.service" |
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| 10:01.44 | relaxed | lewis_: maybe uvcdynctrl could help |
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| 10:10.27 | Leoneof | :| |
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| 10:15.08 | zafu | to automate 'apt-file update' should I use a cron entry? |
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| 10:15.23 | zafu | so a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d file ? |
| 10:15.27 | zafu | s/so/or/ |
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| 10:20.44 | relaxed | `man cron` has the info |
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| 10:24.14 | nkuttler | bash: CRON(8): command not found |
| 10:26.33 | relaxed | :( I'm too quick with the backtick trigger |
| 10:26.47 | nkuttler | ;) |
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| 10:28.14 | adkins | hey y`all , if i make a backup from a windows machine to a debian-server running samba in network i get "failed to set permissions on path/to/file/.file.exe.yqUqZh PErmission denied <13>" while trying to backup the file "file.exe" . |
| 10:28.15 | adkins | The actual file is backuped to destination. It`s just about the temporarly created rsync file. I could ignore it but would rather solve it. any help? |
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| 10:28.43 | adkins | i dont think that debian is the issue, but not getting help from #rsync nor google |
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| 10:30.07 | adkins | and i think it was also the case before, when i was using a buffalo terrastation as NAS,.... |
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| 10:39.00 | threadlock | I'm sorry, I haven't followed the debate lately, but will it be possible to do a Debian Jessie install without systemd or do you have to rip it out afterwards? |
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| 10:39.37 | threadlock | if it is the latter, I'll probably stick to Wheezy and look at alternative distros |
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| 10:51.25 | babilen | threadlock: You don't have to install it with systemd, but it will be installed by default. |
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| 10:51.49 | babilen | But feel free to look at alternative distributions |
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| 10:57.35 | Bierdieb | Hello, Folks. just about to re-setup my desktop from scratch, because my attempt to update from wheezy to jessie did not really work for some reason. Actual testing is Sid, which can be downloaded with three different desktops. So pls help me to decide if want to install kde, lxde or xfce version. |
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| 10:58.23 | babilen | Bierdieb: You will have to decide that yourself. Why not Gnome or a window manager such as fluxbox or i3? |
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| 10:58.50 | ghormoon | Bierdieb: that's just about personal preference, check screenshots and choose something ... eg. I wen with mate :P |
| 10:59.03 | jleclanche | hi, can someone explain the following behaviour difference between bash and dash please? in both "test" resolves to /usr/bin/test... |
| 10:59.04 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/32TYTF3 |
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| 10:59.46 | Bierdieb | i dont know the differnces really. from the screenshots id grab the kde version.... |
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| 11:00.43 | ghormoon | Bierdieb: then likely you don't need anything particular, so you can safely go for kde :P |
| 11:00.47 | Bierdieb | i have had gnome before, but why not something modern? because there seems to be so much moaning about kde. |
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| 11:02.20 | Bierdieb | ill grab kde and will see what happens. |
| 11:02.23 | ghormoon | Bierdieb: that's just about preference, eg mate looks more oldschool, for me it's better than kde or gnome3, just choose what you'll like |
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| 11:03.43 | Bierdieb | i guess its possible to switch to another desktop when it makes me unhappy for some reason, or will i need to install everything again? |
| 11:04.03 | Bierdieb | then ill take more time to choose |
| 11:04.14 | ghormoon | just apt-get another one and then get rid of the old one (or keep it, but having a lot of desktops takes quite a lot of space :P) |
| 11:04.32 | Bierdieb | okay. thx |
| 11:04.43 | ghormoon | I usually don't even install it when installing thee system itself, just add it later when I want one |
| 11:04.48 | Bierdieb | ah, another question: |
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| 11:05.14 | Bierdieb | testing is sid now... is there a jessie installation image available too? |
| 11:05.55 | Bierdieb | im looking at debian.org but only wheezy and sid seem to be available |
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| 11:07.29 | Bierdieb | amd64 architekture actually |
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| 11:09.04 | ghormoon | I'd go for https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ afaik jessie is testing now |
| 11:09.49 | Bierdieb | thx |
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| 11:13.33 | marianna | hi! |
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| 11:19.49 | Epakai | is systemd sharing user data actually a thing or is that guy spreading FUD? |
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| 11:24.38 | gtristan | Epakai, with a relatively high degree of certainty, I would say FUD |
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| 11:25.33 | gtristan | the only 'relatively' part there, is that it's conceivable that a given daemon in the ridiculously high amount of accumulating components, is one that shares data |
| 11:27.48 | gtristan | (makes this whole ordeal so much more complex and hard to argue sanely about: i.e. are we pissed off about systemd itself ? probably not - are we worried about just how far the mission creep goes ? certainly) |
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| 11:28.26 | gtristan | funniness: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif |
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| 11:29.50 | babilen | Bierdieb: sid will always be unstable will always be sid. "jessie" is the next stable release that is being worked on and, therefore, currently "testing". |
| 11:29.58 | marianna | hehehe |
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| 11:37.10 | djh_ | I installed the lldb package (in Jessie), which comes with a python module. Unfortunately importing the lldb module in python fails, because the shared library is not found, due to the path searched for being smth/lldb/ and not smth/lldb-3.5/ where it resides in Debian, making the python bindings unusable. |
| 11:37.42 | djh_ | I now hardcoded the correct path and it's working fine; but I guess someone needs to fix the packaging.. |
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| 11:42.28 | thalos | djh_: You should file a bug report |
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| 11:42.55 | thalos | djh_: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 11:51.50 | obiwahn | hi |
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| 11:52.57 | obiwahn | i am searching for a linux tool that gives me information about memory. is has much in common with smap but is called something else. it is installable in debian. |
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| 13:55.45 | akiva-thinkpad | just in case anyone is interested; the ubuntu online summit starts in 4 minutes http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22327/intro-by-michael-hall-keynote-by-rick-spencer/ |
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| 14:02.58 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys I am trying to make a PHP class available across all php threads and applications, so I copied it to /usr/share/php/ but it is not working, is there a proper way to do this? |
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| 14:07.38 | pacho | hi everybody |
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| 14:08.29 | grobda24 | pacho, hello ! |
| 14:09.30 | darsie | I get an error backporting livestreamer: 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: python-singledispatch python3 (>= 3.4) | python3-singledispatch' http://paste.debian.net/131439/ |
| 14:09.38 | pacho | how I can enable printing to any user of the system to a cups server |
| 14:10.12 | pacho | from file cupsd.conf |
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| 14:10.38 | pacho | grobda24: hello |
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| 14:12.13 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport livestreamer |
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| 14:12.34 | judd | Backporting package livestreamer in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python-singledispatch, python3 (>= 3.4) | python3-singledispatch. |
| 14:12.56 | petn-randall | darsie: Apparently backporting will be a lot more work. ^^^^ |
| 14:13.02 | darsie | k |
| 14:13.06 | darsie | so compile from source? |
| 14:13.21 | darsie | Or install from testing/unstable? |
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| 14:13.43 | darsie | I tried testing, but got dependency hell. |
| 14:14.03 | nkuttler | yet livestreamer works just fine for me in jessie |
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| 14:14.17 | darsie | I have wheezy. |
| 14:14.24 | nkuttler | it hates you too |
| 14:14.30 | nkuttler | oh :) reado |
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| 14:14.52 | petn-randall | darsie: You shouldn't install any packages from testing onto stable, that'll get you into frankendebian land. |
| 14:14.56 | nkuttler | darsie: just wondering, but do you want to stream something particular? |
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| 14:15.11 | petn-randall | darsie: Either backport the other packages, too, or install from source. |
| 14:15.19 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport python-singledispatch |
| 14:15.20 | judd | Backporting package python-singledispatch in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 14:15.31 | darsie | Wanna watch philae land on 67P/ChuryumovâGerasimenko. |
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| 14:15.57 | petn-randall | darsie: use VLC to watch/record a stream. |
| 14:16.24 | darsie | petn-randall: Well, if it's only a single package ... I did apt pinning. |
| 14:17.03 | pacho | grobda24: you handled the cups server? |
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| 14:19.20 | petn-randall | darsie: It's probably one of the seldom cases where this works. But sometimes python modules have some C bindings, in such a case code might break. Always be careful :) |
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| 14:20.36 | nkuttler | darsie: yeah, if flash is an option just use the webstream |
| 14:20.49 | nkuttler | or just try to extract the video url and throw it at the video players |
| 14:20.54 | darsie | nkuttler: webstream is unstable :( |
| 14:21.02 | nkuttler | darsie: i see :| |
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| 14:29.31 | pacho | cups server :D |
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| 14:31.38 | An_Ony_Moose | Is there a way to get Iceweasel's file-opening actions to integrate properly into the (KDE) desktop, e.g. opening PDFs with Okular as selected in the KDE desktop, rather than with GIMP? (short of manually going through all the filetypes I'm ever going to download, and changing them to the appropriate applications...) |
| 14:32.05 | An_Ony_Moose | I'd be happy with a simple way to just associate everything with xdg-open if there's no prettier solution -- but surely there is one? |
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| 14:34.22 | darsie | I deleted livestreamer in /usr/local/ , reinstalled it with 'pip install livestreamer'. Now 'livestreamer http://new.livestream.com/accounts/362/events/3544091 best --player mplayer' works :). |
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| 14:35.43 | strawbs | will jessie/security go live when jessie is officially released or some time during freeze? |
| 14:35.45 | sandman13 | An_Ony_Moose: fiddling with about:config of iceweasel might help |
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| 14:38.54 | An_Ony_Moose | sandman13: searched it for "file", "download", "mime" and "application", no luck... |
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| 14:39.31 | themonk | hi |
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| 14:39.38 | themonk | hi all |
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| 14:39.47 | themonk | can i use python script in DEBIAN/postinst file? |
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| 14:40.17 | skyg4mb_ | yes, whitout problem |
| 14:40.18 | babilen | themonk: Please ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) regarding packaging |
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| 14:45.12 | themonk | babilen, thanks |
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| 15:06.47 | ghormoon | hi, what's best approach to debug what's wrong, when I'm trying to modify initramfs, (I'm usin one which boots dom0 without hypervisor to start eith) to boot another lvm volume (also I need another step in between, to losetup part of it), the lvm is over encrypted partition, but when I try to change the lvm volume, after entering password in initramfs I get errors like "device-mapper: remove ioctl on sda2_crypt failed: device or resource busy", then |
| 15:06.47 | ghormoon | when I'm dropped into ash, I can see /dev/mapper/ssd-01--work--hvm, but when I try to use it eg. in losetup, it says file not found ... something gets really roken there and I have no idea what :( |
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| 15:13.44 | ghormoon | I've just noticed, that after seeing that LVM detected the partitions, there's "cryptsetup: unknown fstype, bad password or options?", but it shouldn't see the lvm partitions if it really was wrong, right? |
| 15:14.23 | eeb3 | Hello, I have a failing HD, which I've tried to used Clonezilla (But ended up Having a Kernal Panic), and tried to use Knoppix, but I keep getting an error of ._.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent has invalid checksum if I try to mount the drive. At this point not sure what to try. |
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| 15:18.03 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 15:18.16 | neilthereildeil | can someone please help me mount a cifs share as writeable by nonroot? |
| 15:18.27 | neilthereildeil | i mounted it as root, but can only write to it as nonroot |
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| 15:19.31 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil: Sounds like you already solved it. Or did you mean "i mounted it as root, but can only write to it as root"? |
| 15:19.49 | neilthereildeil | yea, mounted as root, can only write as root |
| 15:19.55 | neilthereildeil | i want to write as nonroot |
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| 15:25.09 | SOUL_OF_R00T | guys, i need a tip why i use to replace ntpdate? i don't have idea, thx!? |
| 15:25.10 | pacho | Why not let losing data lvm? |
| 15:26.04 | jordanm | SOUL_OF_R00T: ntp (wheezy) or systemd-timesyncd (jessie) |
| 15:26.09 | jordanm | !tell SOUL_OF_R00T about npt |
| 15:26.11 | jordanm | !tell SOUL_OF_R00T about ntp |
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| 15:26.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok i know ntp |
| 15:26.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | tanks |
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| 15:34.11 | neilthereildeil | any idea about nonroot writes to cifs? |
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| 15:45.04 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil: If you want to mount it by hand, you can check 'man mount.ntfs'. But ideally your desktop environment should be set up to take care of that. |
| 15:46.02 | neilthereildeil | this isnt an ntfs mount though |
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| 15:46.11 | neilthereildeil | this is a remote share (which happens to be ntfs) |
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| 15:51.54 | behael | Hello |
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| 15:52.07 | fffggg | ubuntu sucks |
| 15:52.09 | fffggg | socks |
| 15:52.46 | lasdam | hey. I've googled this before and found answers, but they seem incorrect. I wanna know how to read the boot logs before Gnome is yet loaded. the answers I found said to edit some file in /etc/*somewhere* and insert bootlog=1 or something. I did that, but I still don't have a /var/log/boot entry like these answers suggested I would after doing this. |
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| 15:54.07 | lasdam | the file is supposedly /etc/default/bootlogd, and the line BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes. still no results though |
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| 15:54.53 | g00se | Any of you currently got a problem with Pidgin and (probably) MSN contacts? |
| 15:55.12 | adrianoc | clear |
| 15:55.18 | mtn | lasdam: which version of debian and are you using systemd? |
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| 15:56.18 | lasdam | mtn: Wheezy 7.7, and I don't know |
| 15:56.36 | mtn | lasdam: probably not systemd then. |
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| 15:57.02 | mtn | lasdam: where are you looking for results? |
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| 15:57.46 | lasdam | mtn: /var/log/boot |
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| 15:58.09 | mtn | lasdam: and it does not exist or is it that it is empty or....? |
| 15:58.38 | lasdam | it doesn't even exist |
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| 16:00.11 | mtn | lasdam: is this what you followed?: https://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd |
| 16:00.17 | lasdam | mtn: it doesn't exist |
| 16:01.02 | mtn | lasdam: is bootlogd installed? |
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| 16:01.54 | lasdam | mtn: I really just googled and found the same answer consistently on different sites for Debian. I haven't encountered this tutorial. no, bootlogd wasn't installed, so yeah, I'll follow the instructions of this tutorial get back to you (: |
| 16:02.24 | mtn | lasdam: it looks like it will work automatically if the package is installed in wheezy. |
| 16:02.37 | lasdam | mtn: cool |
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| 16:06.08 | SupaYoshi | Hi, im trying to fix my sound on dosbox, and I can't find libsdl1.2debian-all on Debian 7 x86 |
| 16:06.33 | SupaYoshi | I was wondering what I should install instead of that, because my sound wont work this guy in ubuntuforums posted that this worked for him. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=767305&page=2 |
| 16:06.53 | SupaYoshi | I'm having an error saying, ALSA:Can't subscribe to MIDI port (65:0) nor (17:0) |
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| 16:09.16 | octoid | Are there concise instructions anywhere for purging cthulhud.. ahem.. systemd from my jessie install? |
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| 16:10.02 | petn-randall | octoid: 'apt-get purge systemd' |
| 16:10.06 | mtn | octoid: have you seen this?: http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html |
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| 16:10.36 | lasdam | mtn: it worked, thanks |
| 16:10.45 | mtn | lasdam: welcome |
| 16:10.54 | fffggg | ubuntu sucks |
| 16:11.40 | fffggg | ubuntu sucksssssssssssssss |
| 16:11.42 | fffggg | :) |
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| 16:12.13 | octoid | petn-randall: That will handle the reinstallation of sysvinit-core? |
| 16:12.23 | octoid | mtn: Cheers |
| 16:12.48 | fffggg | ubuntu trash os |
| 16:12.53 | fffggg | for zombies |
| 16:12.57 | fffggg | zombies |
| 16:13.37 | petn-randall | octoid: If it's still available, yes. |
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| 16:13.57 | petn-randall | fffggg: Please take it elsewhere, this is a Debian support channel. |
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| 16:14.18 | fffggg | ok thanks |
| 16:14.23 | fffggg | not pathethic ubnutu spamming bots |
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| 16:15.17 | octoid | petn-randall: apt-get -s purge looks good, I really wasn't expecting it to be that simple! |
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| 16:15.42 | octoid | forgets the pile of stuff now dependant on systemd tentacles |
| 16:15.56 | octoid | s/systemd/cthulhud/ |
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| 16:16.51 | mtn | octoid: we got it, no need to beat the dead horse |
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| 16:17.35 | octoid | mtn: I'll stop beating it when its truly dead, its just dreaming at the moment ;) |
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| 16:18.02 | mtn | octoid: why don't you take your complaining somewhere else? this is a support channel, not a complaining channel ;) |
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| 16:18.48 | spoda | Someone told me that it is safe to install Jessie now (that it is frozen) and update until it is stable. Is that true, and is there an official source that confirms that? |
| 16:19.29 | mtn | spoda: define "safe" |
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| 16:19.53 | dondelelcaro | spoda: it's generally less dangerous, but we still have about 300 RC bugs, and there won't be security support until we release. |
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| 16:20.11 | dondelelcaro | spoda: so there isn't an official source saying that, because it's not totally true. |
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| 16:20.46 | spoda | oh ok, thank you |
| 16:20.56 | octoid | mtn: You are right, apologies for the noise! I'm still crying on the inside though ;) |
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| 16:22.50 | fffggg | why someone would uSE linux As desktop |
| 16:23.04 | fffggg | ;)) |
| 16:23.35 | mtn | fffggg: you got banned in the ubuntu channel, would you like to be banned here too? |
| 16:23.39 | fffggg | only if you have good hardware |
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| 16:24.07 | fffggg | ubuntu just dont want to help, more easy to ban |
| 16:24.57 | fffggg | i dont imagine installing ubuntu on 2GB system |
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| 16:25.06 | fffggg | you need there at last, 4gb or 6 |
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| 16:25.18 | fffggg | i mean not ubuntu, but any linux distro |
| 16:25.51 | fffggg | i am afraid to go in linux, without 6gb of RAM |
| 16:26.04 | fffggg | or 8 |
| 16:26.57 | percY-work | What version of samba are you guys installing on wheezy? |
| 16:27.08 | percY-work | seems like sambas package on debian is outdated. |
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| 16:28.26 | fffggg | percY-work maybe your repository is outdated |
| 16:28.28 | fffggg | ;)) |
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| 16:29.43 | An_Ony_Moose | percY-work: welcome to debian stable :P if you want cutting-edge stuff, don't use stable. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability |
| 16:29.57 | mtn | ,v samba |
| 16:29.58 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-2; jessie: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-2 |
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| 16:30.27 | jhutchins | ,v memcached |
| 16:30.28 | judd | Package: memcached on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-1+deb6u1; squeeze: 1.4.5-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 1.4.13-0.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.4.13-0.2+deb7u1; sid: 1.4.21-1; jessie: 1.4.21-1 |
| 16:30.29 | mtn | percY-work: backports has a fairly new one |
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| 16:33.20 | justanotheruser | hello, I updated to kernel 3.16 an now when I resume KDE my screen doesn't turn on unless I'm plugged in. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:34.19 | phre4k | is there a better PDF viewer than epdfview which is standard in XFCE? |
| 16:35.02 | spoda | phre4k: evince |
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| 16:35.51 | spoda | phre4k: http://alternativeto.net/software/evince/?platform=linux |
| 16:36.01 | jelly-home | okular (but depends on kde libs) |
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| 16:38.09 | fffggg | does Last Debian stable, have new gnome look? |
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| 16:38.35 | fffggg | unity or how they call it |
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| 16:40.37 | thalos | fffggg: No |
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| 16:41.06 | percY-work | https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Binary_Distribution_Packages#Wheezy_.28stable.29 |
| 16:41.39 | fffggg | thalos: it should be in testing? |
| 16:41.43 | fffggg | )) |
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| 16:44.46 | fffggg | probaly fedora is the best distro |
| 16:44.53 | fffggg | alaways fresh |
| 16:44.57 | fffggg | and beautiful |
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| 16:45.23 | thalos | fffggg: I haven't run a GUI in testing but I don't think Unity is in there either.. Unity is sort of an addon to gnome |
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| 16:45.42 | thalos | And you don't *have* to use it.. Don't think debian is going to use unioty |
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| 16:46.48 | fffggg | thalos, i mean, laSt gnome that was developed in linux, Gnome 3 or how its called, not old style gnome, if it's presented in Last debian stable |
| 16:46.56 | fffggg | :) |
| 16:47.27 | fffggg | oh |
| 16:47.28 | jelly-home | fffggg: there's gnome 3.4 in the current release, does that answer you question |
| 16:47.50 | fffggg | gnome 3.4 .. ye |
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| 16:48.49 | fffggg | then its goo |
| 16:48.50 | fffggg | d |
| 16:49.00 | fffggg | i should give it a try, after buying aditional 4gb of ram |
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| 16:49.10 | fffggg | ) |
| 16:50.10 | fffggg | i will be more less vulnerable to hackers on linx :) |
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| 16:51.56 | octoid | agrees disagrees |
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| 16:54.59 | An_Ony_Moose | fffggg: I have 4GB and it's just fine |
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| 17:14.06 | ghormoon | any idea, what's wrong, when in intramfs, I make losetup and them try to mount it and get "invalid argument"? I can mount other partitions which are not loopback, but the loopback one doesn't work (modules ext4 and loop are loaded) |
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| 17:15.36 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: do you actually have the loop device created? it should just be losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/file or similar |
| 17:16.24 | ghormoon | dondelelcaro: yup, namely losetup -f /dev/mapper/ssd-01--work--hvm |
| 17:16.37 | TheAvatar | What could be a smart way to test disk/diskcontroller? I figured writing a lot of data and then md5 those data or something? |
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| 17:17.00 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: uh... that's now what -f does. |
| 17:17.11 | dondelelcaro | ah, nevermind; actually it should do that |
| 17:17.26 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: but it's possible that the losetup in busybox doesn't actually handle -f |
| 17:17.27 | TheAvatar | say - save a big file - 10GB or so, md5 that, and then copy that file over and over and over e.g. 10000 times or so |
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| 17:17.53 | ghormoon | dondelelcaro: it does, at least says it in the "help" it prints when you give wrong parameters |
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| 17:18.10 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: hrm. well, try specifying it explicitely |
| 17:18.21 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: after making sure that the loop device actually exists |
| 17:18.30 | ghormoon | and losetup -f prints /dev/loop0, after making losetup -f /dev/mapper/... trying losetup -f again gives /dev/loop1 |
| 17:18.41 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: hrm. |
| 17:19.00 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: and what happens if you try to mount that loopback device? |
| 17:19.06 | spoda | does the 'invalid argument' error come from losetup or from mount? |
| 17:19.13 | ghormoon | it gives invlid argument error |
| 17:19.32 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: you get that from mount, not losetup, right? |
| 17:19.39 | ghormoon | yup |
| 17:19.45 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: you probably need to explicitely set the filesystem type then. |
| 17:19.53 | ghormoon | tried that, doesn't help |
| 17:19.59 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: what is the precise mount command you're giving? |
| 17:20.28 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: do you see anything useful in the kernel output when you do that? |
| 17:20.29 | ghormoon | mount -t ext4 /dev/loop0 /mnt/root |
| 17:20.36 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: and /mnt/root exists? |
| 17:20.39 | ghormoon | yup |
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| 17:21.06 | dondelelcaro | ghormoon: does dmesg; tell you anything useful? |
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| 17:21.47 | ghormoon | I may try (but I'll have to reboot, I'm doing this on machine I'm chatting from) |
| 17:22.46 | ghormoon | I'll try connecting to irc from phone so I don't have to reboot for each attempt |
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| 17:30.04 | jhutchins | ghormoon: Why do you need to reboot? Are you running irc in a different OS or something? |
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| 17:38.02 | jalt | Hi, what is the proper tasksel tasksel/first multiselect xyz entry for preseed if one wants a minimal system, i.e., without the standard task? The current preseed docs (wheezy+jessie) list no option and the tasksel doc says only that standard is equal to an aptitude search for ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant. |
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| 17:42.23 | ghormoon | jhutchins: i'm rebooting between the initramfs and a working os, ot would be much easier if i had second pc ... |
| 17:42.53 | Walex | jalt: define "minimal" |
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| 17:43.08 | ghormoon | Now in lasf change to the initramfs i don't even have /dev :D |
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| 17:44.39 | jalt | I´m looking for a task that will install ~prequired ~pimportant or a preseed-compatible way to list and install the packages labeled as such. |
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| 17:45.47 | ghormoon | *sorry, i have /dev, but not sda in it :( |
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| 17:46.15 | jalt | It´s easy to do from the installer, just uncheck ´Standard´, but I want to use preseed, and I want to find out the Right Way (TM) of doing so. A cursory web search shows some usage of ´minimal´ but that seems to be either undocumented or simply ignored by tasksel. |
| 17:47.48 | jalt | If it helps, here are my refs: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-pkgsel https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 17:47.51 | Froolap | From the FAQ: the "ia64" images will not work. If they know they don't work then why are they made? |
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| 17:53.10 | Walex | jalt: what about defining a package with dependencies that do what you want? |
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| 17:56.31 | Walex | Froolap: is that a real question? |
| 17:56.56 | nwe | hello, I have setup auto-install with debian preseed, but my partition is wrong.. what have I missed http://pastebin.com/neuVz3ST I want my / - 20 GB and Swap 4GB and it should leave the rest alone... |
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| 17:57.53 | nwe | and my / is sda1 but my swap parition is sda5.. |
| 17:58.12 | jalt | Well, I know how to add additional packages via tasksel or, if really needed, via a late-command.sh script. I just want to know what is the right way to set tasksel tasksel/first multiselect foo in my preseed. Some possibilities would be commenting it altogether or using an empty string, but I´d rather have some information source that tells me the supported way of doing it rather than trial and error. |
| 17:58.14 | Froolap | Yes, it is. I'm not seeing a code to cpu list and I don't like to guess and grab the incorrect image. |
| 17:58.49 | Walex | Froolap: 'ia64' is for Itanium CPUs, not IA32 or 'amd64' ones. |
| 17:59.04 | Froolap | So, it it doesn't work then why do they make it? If it does work.... what does it work ON? |
| 17:59.15 | jalt | nwe, general reading: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en http://ftp.dc.volia.com/pub/debian/preseed/partman-auto-recipe.txt |
| 17:59.17 | Walex | Froolap: it works on an Itanium CPU |
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| 17:59.42 | Froolap | Cool. It would be nice to see that type of information in the FAQ. Thanks |
| 17:59.43 | nwe | jalt: okey I will take a look on it |
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| 18:01.31 | Simplar | Hey guys |
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| 18:01.54 | Simplar | Can you advise me a linux system which will fully be compatible with a notebook asus-x550cv? |
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| 18:03.05 | jalt | nwe, IIRC there are some limitations with partman and you will need some tricks to leave gaps in between partitions and/or use logical volumes. I suggest you reconsider changing your partition scheme and/or use swap as a file in a normal partition as opposed to its own. |
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| 18:05.15 | Walex | jalt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel |
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| 18:06.06 | jazzanova | how does dlopen find the correct library in multiarch environment? |
| 18:06.12 | nwe | jalt: okey |
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| 18:06.45 | Froolap | Simplar: http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 18:06.45 | Walex | jalt: what another page says is that if you use the 'tasksel' 'd-i' line without indicating any task, the 'standard' task won't be used, and only the core stuff will be.] |
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| 18:07.23 | sephioh | hi all. after install ntfs-3g package, i got an issue with my lvm logical volumes. none of them can be found |
| 18:07.55 | jalt | Walex, can you post the link to that page? |
| 18:08.47 | Walex | jalt: just closed the browser sorry. But just defined the package you want with the dependencies you. Or find a package that has the right dependencies already.# |
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| 18:09.33 | jalt | No, i mean about using the 'tasksel' 'd-i' line without indicating any task, the 'standard' task won't be used, and only the core stuff will be. |
| 18:10.09 | ruukasu | I installed qemu but don't have a qemu binary, why is this? |
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| 18:12.16 | ghormoon | I have no other idea, i/ve broken somethi g, so when falling to initramfs shell i get can't access tty; job control turned off, i don't see disks ... something is too wrpng :( |
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| 18:15.25 | asterismo | hi peope |
| 18:15.27 | asterismo | people |
| 18:15.33 | asterismo | any experience with ntpd? |
| 18:15.38 | asterismo | i need to know something |
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| 18:15.50 | asterismo | about the times the PC was sync |
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| 18:18.58 | ghormoon | Is there any minimal example /init for debian? I/ve tried making it according to gentoo wiki, but it doesn't work :( |
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| 18:23.48 | ghormoon | If i use the origonal one and let it fail, best i can get to uz the invalod argument in mount |
| 18:24.20 | g00se | found the problem with Pidgin. It's now broken for MSN as the app id has been changed. Have fixed mine with a binary patch. I suppose this ought to go in updates |
| 18:24.25 | ghormoon | And for the question if it prints something to dmesg ... nothing |
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| 18:31.27 | Iridos | ghormoon, do you mean an /etc/init.d/* script? |
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| 18:31.58 | Iridos | oh, initramfs? |
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| 18:33.29 | Iridos | uh... whatever it is seems to have gone on for some days |
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| 18:34.59 | ghormoon | i've managed to mount, but now it panocs on switch_root :( |
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| 18:35.28 | klys | did you specify a root you have drivers for in your initrd on the kernel commandline |
| 18:35.53 | klys | wait, you mounted it then |
| 18:36.06 | asterismo | anyone on ntp? |
| 18:36.15 | ghormoon | Yep, it was error in offset ... |
| 18:36.30 | klys | possibly the device is not in /dev |
| 18:36.37 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone know anything about ntp |
| 18:36.37 | dpkg | Iridos: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 18:36.44 | Iridos | bah |
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| 18:36.48 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone use ntp |
| 18:36.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses ntp, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:36.52 | Iridos | right |
| 18:37.05 | klys | iridos, ntp, ntpd, or ntpdate |
| 18:37.09 | Iridos | asterismo, just ask the question... nobody can tell if they can answer it if you don't ask it |
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| 18:37.41 | ghormoon | The device is /dev/loop0 and is there and can be mounted, or what do you mean? |
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| 18:38.22 | ghormoon | Also /root/dev/loop0 esists |
| 18:38.26 | klys | ghormoon, so you specified /dev/loop0 on the kernel command,ine like kernel=vmlinuz-3.blah root=/dev/loop0 |
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| 18:38.55 | ghormoon | That will be it, likely, ll check the grub config |
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| 18:39.39 | okee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.03 | ghormoon | whoa, it did boot somehow |
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| 18:50.31 | asterismo | i need to know if i can read the time syncs of my PC from /var/log/syslog in the ntpd entries |
| 18:50.33 | sephioh | hi, i has a partition formatted like a lvm2_member, but my partition is gone |
| 18:50.45 | sephioh | what can be happened? |
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| 18:51.02 | ghormoon | ok, now, is there any example /init to make mine from? I'm able to use that one which wont boot in a way I'll force it to fail by not givint it luks password and then doing everything manually, so at least i know what I need it to do, but when I've made it minimal like in this tutorial http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs it didn't work (no /dev/sda, ...), and I didn't manage to find debian tutorial on this |
| 18:51.25 | asterismo | this a grep of "ntpd" in syslog, syslog.1 thru syslog.7 |
| 18:51.26 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/131478/ |
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| 18:51.57 | waressearcher2 | what is the best software I can use to capture video of gameplay in linux ? |
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| 18:52.25 | teraflops | waressearcher2: on the same machine? |
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| 18:53.08 | waressearcher2 | also, I have Core2Duo E2160 2x1.8Ghz CPU and Radeon X300 (10 year old) Video card, is it possible to use that hardware to capture gameplay with at least 25FPS ? |
| 18:53.15 | waressearcher2 | teraflops: yes |
| 18:53.52 | teraflops | I use ffmpeg and it works very nice |
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| 18:54.42 | teraflops | not capturing gaming but it captures 1080p video and audio at high frame rates |
| 18:54.48 | waressearcher2 | teraflops: for capturing desktop stuff or gameming stuff ? |
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| 18:55.05 | teraflops | desktop |
| 18:55.08 | teraflops | as i said |
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| 19:01.41 | tormen | Hi. I would like to use network-manager-openconnect in KDE. But The network-manager settings app under the VPN tab does not list anything related to "openconnect". I only have "OpenVPN", "vpnc", "PPTP", "StrongSwan", "Novel VPN (turnpike)". ... and vpnc is an alternative cisco VPN client (different from openconnect), right ? ... Any idea why ? |
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| 19:01.56 | tormen | (debian stable) |
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| 19:02.59 | tormen | Can anyone confirm that there should be a "Open Connect" or "Cisco AnyConnect" or something be listed as option when adding the VPN via the nm gui applet under KDE ? |
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| 19:08.48 | waressearcher2 | teraflops: is that the right command: "ffmpeg -threads 0 -async 30 -f alsa -i pulse -f x11grab -s 640x480 -r 30 -i :0.0+44,47 -vcodec libx264 -preset superfast -crf 16 -acodec libmp3lame -f mp4 /tmp/1.mp4" ? |
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| 19:12.05 | teraflops | waressearcher2: well i recommend to do some tests to tweak for your hw, anyway 640x480 looks low |
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| 19:14.01 | ub3rl33th4x0r | anyone know how to create a bootable windows 8.1 usb installer from debian? |
| 19:14.56 | teraflops | waressearcher2: i use that on this laptop http://ix.io/f9z |
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| 19:15.57 | galex-713 | Is it possible to âpreloadâ softwares? so that I donât have to wait theyâre loaded from my low hard disk |
| 19:16.03 | galex-713 | So that itâs kept on ram |
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| 19:25.21 | ub3rl33th4x0r | No galex-713 |
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| 19:25.36 | ub3rl33th4x0r | you can use "preload" but that's not really what you're looking for. |
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| 19:26.00 | galex-713 | ok |
| 19:26.31 | galex-713 | ub3rl33th4x0r: and no such system exists? |
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| 19:27.33 | ub3rl33th4x0r | galex-713, you can install them to a USB stick and they'll fire up faster. |
| 19:27.39 | ub3rl33th4x0r | or install to a SSD |
| 19:28.46 | hujo | usb stick vary wildly in speed though, be aware |
| 19:28.57 | hujo | +s |
| 19:29.24 | ub3rl33th4x0r | Legacy enabled and "first"... tried that. |
| 19:29.29 | ub3rl33th4x0r | oops |
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| 19:30.50 | teriamo | hey guys, using jessie here, debian started assigning random ethernet numbering to my eth card everytime i start my pc, which was not the last until this week. It is not like I have multiple cards going on |
| 19:31.13 | teriamo | so my network starts disable. I use static ip in interfaces |
| 19:32.19 | galex-713 | ub3rl33th4x0r: the usb thingâs smart :D |
| 19:32.38 | teriamo | it is eht2 once, eth3 next time etc |
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| 19:33.15 | ub3rl33th4x0r | Kinda |
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| 19:34.31 | tormen | Sorry, I got disconnected :( --> Hi. I would like to use network-manager-openconnect in KDE. But The network-manager settings app under the VPN tab does not list anything related to "openconnect". I only have "OpenVPN", "vpnc", "PPTP", "StrongSwan", "Novel VPN (turnpike)". ... and vpnc is an alternative cisco VPN client (different from openconnect), right ? ... Any idea why ? (debian stable) |
| 19:34.40 | tormen | Can anyone confirm that there should be a "Open Connect" or "Cisco AnyConnect" or something be listed as option when adding the VPN via the nm gui applet under KDE ? |
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| 19:36.16 | hujo | teriamo, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
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| 19:36.38 | hujo | teriamo, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28878/changing-the-names-of-network-interfaces-debian-wheezy |
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| 19:39.27 | teriamo | hujo: thanks i will check out, but this was working great over a year, i have not changed anything networking |
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| 19:40.01 | teriamo | i am more wondering why it has started that behavior |
| 19:40.04 | hujo | teriamo, anything in dmesg? |
| 19:40.29 | waressearcher2 | galex-713: try "md5sum /bin/* /usr/bin*" or "file /bin/* /usr/bin*" on every boot |
| 19:40.40 | teriamo | i cant tell now, not around the pc, but i will check it out |
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| 19:41.15 | galex-713 | waressearcher2: no, just caching doesnât do enough, I mean, itâs slow *even running twice one time after the other* |
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| 19:41.29 | galex-713 | s/one time/once/ |
| 19:41.36 | Extensa5630G | galex-713: hey salut |
| 19:42.01 | galex-713 | plop |
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| 19:42.20 | galex-713 | Extensa5630G: on se connaît ? |
| 19:42.22 | waressearcher2 | galex-713: how slow could HDD be so that someone complained about running software |
| 19:42.47 | hujo | galex-713, drive is healty? |
| 19:42.48 | kRush | when there are different values set for some net.ipv4.conf.[all|default|specific interface].variable, how is determined what is actually in effect? |
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| 19:43.11 | galex-713 | hujo: yeah, just one demisecond is too much for sm |
| 19:43.18 | galex-713 | It takes too much long to load |
| 19:43.29 | galex-713 | Itâs a brand new HDD |
| 19:43.30 | Extensa5630G | galex-713: oui |
| 19:43.33 | galex-713 | Yet not enough quick |
| 19:43.42 | galex-713 | Yet I prefer a HDD to a SDD |
| 19:43.49 | galex-713 | Extensa5630G: dâoù ? :) |
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| 19:44.37 | Extensa5630G | galex-713: le canal français bien sure |
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| 19:45.04 | nox_debian | hi |
| 19:45.10 | galex-713 | Extensa5630G: ah ? jâavais compris dâavant/AFK ^^" |
| 19:47.25 | tormen | Hi. Here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/network-manager-gnome it states that "but it also works for other desktop environments which provide a systray like KDE or Xfce." ... but in my network-manager GUI under KDE I don't have any openconnect VPN type that shows... what could be the problem ? - Or is this a bug ? |
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| 19:53.43 | xbytemx | I had a issue with shorewall and systemd, when I restart It doesnt start at boot, after boot I can manually start shorewall |
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| 19:56.35 | xbytemx | also I have usr separate from root |
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| 20:00.18 | hujo | xbytemx, you do not expect readers to guess your issue, do you? |
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| 20:02.06 | hanfm | somebody using an umts dongle on debian? i have to know, how much system resources it takes, using such umts dongle. so how much memory and how much cpu usage does it almost take on stress? |
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| 20:04.49 | boycottg00gle | hanfm: likely not much |
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| 20:05.50 | xbytemx | hujo: no, thats why I said that shorewall doesnt start at boot as usually do some months ago, even when I already change to systemd, shorewall started at boot |
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| 20:08.26 | hanfm | boybottg00gle: can you guess how much? meanly memory usage? |
| 20:08.59 | hanfm | nearly 1mb, 5mb or 15mb? |
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| 20:18.59 | hujo | hanfm, why do you have to know? |
| 20:20.26 | hanfm | i have to measure if i can realize a university project on a raspberry pi, resp. on a raspberry pi a or raspberry pi b, because of the memory |
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| 20:21.33 | hanfm | so i count all components, that should be used, in memory an cpu usage. but i guess, cpu should not be the problem. memory could be too little |
| 20:21.50 | threadlock | babilen: do you mean that it will be possible to choose to install Jessie with sysvinit (or perhaps openrc?) in the DebianInstaller or, for example, with debootstrap? |
| 20:22.06 | hujo | hanfm, you'd still have virtual memory, don't you? |
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| 20:22.12 | babilen | No idea about debootstrap, but yes to the former |
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| 20:22.58 | hanfm | hujo, yes, but speed is important |
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| 20:23.31 | threadlock | babilen: this is mainly for server installations, where Debian has been our goto-GNU/Linux distro, we like to keep it minimal and don't care if the desktoppy applications we won't run have various systemd dependencies |
| 20:24.03 | hujo | hanfm, then you'll need to test for yourself I believe |
| 20:24.03 | tormen | Hi. Why does this page https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/network-manager-gnome show 0.9.4.1-5, wherease apt-get update && apt-cache policy network-manager-openconnect-gnome shows me 0.9.4.0-8 0 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages ? |
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| 20:24.29 | nkuttler | ,v network-manager-gnome |
| 20:24.30 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.1-5; sid: 0.9.10.0-2; jessie: 0.9.10.0-2 |
| 20:24.46 | nkuttler | tormen: your mirror is outdated? |
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| 20:24.54 | tormen | ftp.fr.debian.org ? |
| 20:25.03 | tormen | hmm |
| 20:25.06 | hanfm | hujo, you are right, but i guess before buying the components ;-) |
| 20:25.17 | nkuttler | tormen: just wait an hour or two if that's it |
| 20:25.25 | hujo | hanfm, good luck then :) |
| 20:25.39 | babilen | threadlock: I forgot how to do it exactly ... a d-i key was mentioned in one of those massive threats on debian-devel one of these days (last week), but I forgot to write it down. It is, however, definitely possible to install sysvinit from scratch. |
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| 20:25.49 | hanfm | hujo, thank you, i'll try hard :-P |
| 20:27.00 | tormen | nkuttler: yes.... where can I see if there was any RECENT change to the package in wheezy ? |
| 20:27.52 | tormen | nkuttler: and thanks !! |
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| 20:34.47 | nkuttler | tormen: looks like there is some other problem.. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/network-manager-applet |
| 20:34.50 | nkuttler | !tell tormen about bat |
| 20:35.09 | nkuttler | tormen: er, only the apt-cache policy part |
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| 20:40.54 | nox_debian | hi, how would you set up jessie to do a pm-suspend when the battery is too low... i have lightdm anf fluxbox... just need the daemon....i think |
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| 20:41.38 | somiaj | nox_debian: correct, you will need some system monintor checking battery amount |
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| 20:42.02 | somiaj | nox_debian: I think conky (the big one many people like) supports setting battery limits and the like for this |
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| 20:42.39 | somiaj | there maybe smaller/simpler tools that just look at the batery amount (such as a pannel applet) but I don't know of any and if htey are compadable with fluxbox |
| 20:42.53 | nox_debian | somiaj, i configured my conky to display the battery status through acpi |
| 20:43.21 | nox_debian | can conky call a simple pm-suspend or hybernate? |
| 20:43.27 | somiaj | nox_debian: I think you can configure conky to not only give you warnings when battery is low, pm-suspend at a certain amount. This may require you set it up so your user can run pm-suspend |
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| 20:43.58 | somiaj | nox_debian: I belive so (don't know for sure though). The issue may be if you are requirend to be root to pm-suspend or you can do that as your normal user as conky will only have permisions of your normal user. |
| 20:44.10 | nox_debian | somiaj, only my root can pm-suspend |
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| 20:44.45 | somiaj | you could set up a NOPASSWD sudo config (via visudo) for pm-suspend this way it can be run without needing you to imput a password and then configure conky to run that when battery is below a certain amount. |
| 20:45.03 | nox_debian | somiaj, how does it work under gnome? my boss told me i can use only the daemon used when you install the full debian |
| 20:45.12 | somiaj | might want to put some timer on that though, unsure what would happen if you resumed nd then conky would instantally suspend you again (: |
| 20:45.21 | nox_debian | cool |
| 20:45.46 | threadlock | babilen: wow, I think I might have found one of those massive threads.. |
| 20:45.53 | somiaj | nox_debian: gnome leverages gdm3 to do root stuff. So gnome makes a call to gdm3 which has roots permissions and then gdm3 suspends (htough it may also do this though policykit not sure here) |
| 20:46.10 | threadlock | s/might/may/ (right? tired.) |
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| 20:46.30 | nox_debian | can i use gdm3 even only with a terminal and no gnome |
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| 20:48.17 | somiaj | nox_debian: yes you can, I would be unsure how to call gdm3 to do what you want from flux though |
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| 20:49.47 | nox_debian | https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend they talk only about wheezy i have jessie |
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| 20:51.24 | somiaj | nox_debian: jessie is only testing and usually not fully documented. You could try what they say there, if it is different, that is part of using testing |
| 20:52.16 | somiaj | though I don't see that page being that useful for what you want to accomplish |
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| 21:03.33 | threadlock | here's a good article I found in backlog, so I'll repost it http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html |
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| 21:08.24 | Brigo | threadlock, i agree, but plesea rememeber it is a support channel, paste it in #debian-offtopic. |
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| 21:12.51 | threadlock | Brigo: check. |
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| 21:16.27 | xreal | Anyone using wayland? is it worth of testing? |
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| 21:16.58 | Simplar_ | Hi, can you tell me what I need to fully run up all my devices on debian? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8971076/ |
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| 21:18.46 | somiaj | Simplar_: I don't see anything special there, all those devices should run on debian wheezy with the stock kernel just fine. You will just need the non-free firmware for the wifi card |
| 21:19.16 | jcrowgey | hi debian room, i just upgraded wheezey to jessie and i'm experiencing a terrible issue with network daemons |
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| 21:19.36 | jcrowgey | some program keeps brining up eth0 and attaching it to 169.... and messing up my routes |
| 21:19.45 | beepie | what's the name of the metapackage to install gcc and a bunch of other packages(autoconf,make, etc..).. i forget the name |
| 21:19.55 | jcrowgey | i have to keeps saying ifconfig eth0 down and then all's good again, i want to know what program keeps brining eth0 back up? |
| 21:20.06 | jcrowgey | beepie: I think you want build-essential |
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| 21:20.09 | beepie | ah |
| 21:20.13 | beepie | ! :) |
| 21:20.14 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
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| 21:20.41 | beepie | btw maybe you have ifplugd installed |
| 21:20.43 | beepie | haha |
| 21:21.08 | jcrowgey | beepie: possibly, but i'm not plugging and unplugging anything, do you have any tip about how to figure this out? |
| 21:22.32 | Simplar_ | somiaj: nope, my webcam dont work :< |
| 21:22.39 | beepie | maybe, dpkg -l |grep network , and possibly there's another package doing this, |
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| 21:23.25 | somiaj | jcrowgey: do you have any network-manager or wicd installed? What about lines like auto eth0 or allow-hotplug eth0 in your interfaces file? |
| 21:23.50 | beepie | to list files related to a package, it's dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 21:24.34 | jcrowgey | somiaj: I do have nm and nm-applet installed (althoug it also seems to have some issues). wicd got installed when i upgraded, but i stopped wit with /etc/init.d/wicd stop and it's not running now (yet i'm still experiencing the issue with eth0 popping up) |
| 21:24.34 | ompaul | netstat and work back though that lsof and ps auwx |
| 21:24.50 | beepie | network-manager also has an ifup plugin section that can be defined so as not to touch those specified network interfaces |
| 21:25.26 | xreal | Anyone using wayland? is it worth of testing? |
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| 21:25.53 | nkuttler | xreal: sure, why not.. |
| 21:25.53 | jcrowgey | beepie: good tip, i'm loooking at that list of packages now. |
| 21:25.54 | jcrowgey | but in theory, I should be okay with ifup plugin for eth0 right? i don't mind if it tries to come up if I actually plug something in. the issue is that it comes up every 3 or 4 minutes on its own... |
| 21:26.11 | nkuttler | xreal: but not production ready imo |
| 21:26.44 | jcrowgey | so do I not want eth0 auto in my interfaces file? |
| 21:26.46 | ompaul | jcrowgey: what is written in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.30 | jcrowgey | ompaul, somiaj: I have "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in there. |
| 21:27.57 | jcrowgey | maybe i need to reread man 5 interfaces... |
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| 21:28.27 | ompaul | jcrowgey: you might want to paste that file into paste.debian.net |
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| 21:28.50 | ompaul | jcrowgey: also is there a wire attached to that interface? |
| 21:29.19 | jcrowgey | ompaul, i can do that for you, but i literally only have 4 liens in there "auto lo", "iface lo inet loopback" and then the two lines i mentioned above relateding to eth0 |
| 21:29.36 | Cpuroast | quick question |
| 21:29.44 | jcrowgey | ompaul: no wire attached, that's the funny business. i can't figure out what's happening to trigger eth0 brining itself up. |
| 21:30.01 | ompaul | what does ifconfig -a say |
| 21:30.03 | Cpuroast | any reason mailman 2.1.15 is in Wheezy and not 2.1.18 |
| 21:30.04 | Cpuroast | ? |
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| 21:30.09 | jcrowgey | i'm on wlan0 and all's good until eth0 comes up and takes the 169.blah address and messes up routes |
| 21:30.16 | Cpuroast | aren't these minor incremental releases |
| 21:30.17 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 21:30.29 | ompaul | Cpuroast: no |
| 21:30.33 | ompaul | Cpuroast: yes |
| 21:30.47 | ompaul | Cpuroast: redefine your question please |
| 21:30.54 | Cpuroast | guess backport it is |
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| 21:31.08 | jcrowgey | ompaul: catted that to pastbinit for you: http://pastbin.com/Dk8jRuze |
| 21:31.26 | Cpuroast | considering the 2.1 tree isn't really being focused on as the 3.0 version is getting all the attention |
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| 21:31.44 | Cpuroast | or hell, 2.1.15 will have to do |
| 21:31.50 | ompaul | jcrowgey: click on that link |
| 21:31.53 | jcrowgey | ompaul: at the moment eth0 is down because i keep saying ifconfig eth0 down ever once in a while. |
| 21:32.19 | ompaul | I can't help with that |
| 21:32.22 | jcrowgey | ompaul: i'm using a irc client which doesn't work with clicks. |
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| 21:32.32 | ompaul | you might want to copy the link correctly |
| 21:32.54 | jcrowgey | did I type the link wrong? |
| 21:33.04 | ompaul | most certainly |
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| 21:33.11 | jcrowgey | http://pastebin.com/Dk8jRuze |
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| 21:33.22 | ompaul | anyway you are on wireless and you have hotplug |
| 21:33.26 | ompaul | so it is looking for wire |
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| 21:34.13 | equex | hi, ive been trying to figure out if i can get wheezy to run on an fx990-ud7 board, specifically i need it to support the marvell raid controller (and preferably gbit ethernet). its not easy to tell from any HCL if it will work or not.does anyone here run this combo? |
| 21:34.15 | jcrowgey | ok, problem was pastbin instead of pastebin, hopefully you see it now. |
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| 21:34.51 | ompaul | jcrowgey: strange network card B8:70:F4CompalIn # COMPAL INFORMATION (KUNSHAN) CO., LTD. |
| 21:34.57 | ompaul | never saw one of those before |
| 21:34.57 | jcrowgey | ompaul: yes I am on wireless. i understand hotplug to mean that if somethign gets plugged into eth0 it will come up. but my issue is that it's coming up every 3 or 4 minutes without anything being plugged. i'm obviously missing somehint. |
| 21:35.02 | Froolap | jcrowgey: may I /msg you? |
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| 21:35.29 | jcrowgey | Froolap: I guess so? |
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| 21:35.43 | jcrowgey | ompaul: where do you see that? |
| 21:35.54 | ompaul | it is the mac address for the network card |
| 21:36.01 | ompaul | the built in one |
| 21:36.24 | ompaul | jcrowgey: really it should come up when wire goes in |
| 21:36.30 | ompaul | d you have something running dhcp or something |
| 21:36.33 | ompaul | do you have something running dhcp or something |
| 21:36.56 | ompaul | anyway I have no more useful ideas about that |
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| 21:37.32 | jcrowgey | ompaul: that may be the case, I used dhclient to connect wlan0. ompaul: i agree about the fact that it should come up when something is plugged. i'm trying to figure out why its coming up when nothing is plugged. |
| 21:37.46 | jcrowgey | perhaps a useful workaround is to simply disable hotplug on eth0 for the moment? |
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| 21:38.47 | beepie | jcrowgey, i would check networkmanager.conf and use the ifup plugin section :) |
| 21:38.49 | ompaul | jcrowgey: I don't use nm I only use wicd or static |
| 21:38.54 | beepie | jcrowgey, i think that's what might causing it |
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| 21:39.26 | jcrowgey | beepie: I'll look for netowrkmanager.conf and see if I can find soemthing relevant. |
| 21:39.39 | jcrowgey | ompaul: I understand, thanks for the hints. |
| 21:39.40 | beepie | jcrowgey, it is |
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| 21:42.21 | jcrowgey | beepie: where do I find this networkmanager.conf? I don't see it in /etc |
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| 21:43.10 | beepie | jcrowgey, is network-manger installed/runninng? if there's no networkmanager.conf file you'll have to make on |
| 21:43.14 | beepie | ./one/on |
| 21:43.26 | beepie | ( /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ) |
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| 21:44.10 | beepie | here I can manage jessie/testing without needing nm |
| 21:44.25 | beepie | but on some distros it is difficult to remove it |
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| 21:45.11 | jcrowgey | beepie: I understand, I think I'm going to just disable hotplug on eth0 for now and then go on with my life :) I rarely use eth0 and having it mess up my routes every 5 minutes has been terribly distracting. |
| 21:45.13 | beepie | jcrowgey, i have it installed on debian but I disable it |
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| 21:46.37 | jcrowgey | ok folks, thanks for the many tips. I'm commenting out allow-hotplug in my interfaces file and going to restart networking. I may be back again later to chat further. Again, many thanks. |
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| 21:47.31 | Meistarin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:51.36 | abrotman | Meistarin: Please don't do that, no one cares. |
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| 21:52.10 | Meistarin | I know abrotman, pressed the wrong button |
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| 21:56.45 | Froolap | is there an easy way to upgrade NetworkManager beyond 9.4 on wheezy 7.6? |
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| 21:58.32 | [TheFlash] | hi, are there any plans to add GNU DMD to the repository? |
| 21:58.51 | [TheFlash] | it's still in its alpha stage, but it's one of the best init systems i've ever seen |
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| 22:11.26 | blistov | Anyone in the Universe have any idea how to configure /etc/network/interfaces in recent releases? I'm losing my mind at the fact that none of my routes are being applied but there are no errors thrown. |
| 22:11.33 | blistov | http://pastebin.com/X1A5CvCs |
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| 22:11.40 | blistov | What am I missing here? |
| 22:12.01 | blistov | None of the "up/post-up/post-down" rules are being applied. |
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| 22:12.55 | Cpuroast | hmm |
| 22:13.04 | Cpuroast | just installed mailman on a brand new wheezy VM |
| 22:13.13 | Cpuroast | any reason the logo images are broken |
| 22:13.14 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 22:13.17 | valdyn | blistov: why do you think they are not applied ? Would you know if the commands were invalid? |
| 22:13.20 | Cpuroast | everything else seems to work |
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| 22:14.29 | blistov | @valdyn, I know because 1. I can't hit either of the WAN ports remotely, 2. When I ssh in via 10.0.0.27 (over VPN), I can see that the routes have not been applied, and 3. If I manually run those route commands, my WAN's both come to life and load balancing works. |
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| 22:14.58 | valdyn | Cpuroast: makes no sense having 3 default gateways for instance |
| 22:15.09 | Cpuroast | huh |
| 22:15.10 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 22:15.30 | valdyn | Cpuroast: gateway 10.0.0.1 adds a default gw |
| 22:15.36 | Cpuroast | not my qyestion |
| 22:15.39 | Cpuroast | question |
| 22:15.48 | valdyn | Cpuroast: sorry |
| 22:16.01 | valdyn | blistov: gateway 10.0.0.1 adds a default gw |
| 22:16.17 | valdyn | blistov: youre doing that 3 times (3 times adding a default gw) |
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| 22:16.23 | blistov | valdayn, yes, but that should get stomped on later in the script anyhow. |
| 22:16.36 | tormen | Hi. Is there in debian stable a GUI for network-manager-openconnect (the counterpart to network-manager-openconnect-gnome) ? ... I could not find any, but was wondering if I overlooked something ? |
| 22:16.45 | blistov | And that IS what I want. If both WAN's fail to come up and stomp on the rroutes, I want 10.0.0.1 to be the last resort. |
| 22:17.00 | abrotman | tormen: for the VPN stuff? |
| 22:17.15 | tormen | abrotman: yes |
| 22:17.31 | blistov | When the machien comes up right now, the default routes for p5p1.10 and p5p1.11 are added, because they ahve to exist by default, but then I'm trying to fix them with iproute2 tables |
| 22:17.34 | abrotman | tormen: ISTR, yes but it's not pulled in by default .. network-manager-vpnc or something maybe? |
| 22:17.41 | valdyn | blistov: you cant have more than 1 default gw |
| 22:18.15 | blistov | valdyn: if I run this script, everything works perfectly : http://pastebin.com/kNKmGHPt |
| 22:18.52 | valdyn | blistov: that is not the same commands |
| 22:19.11 | blistov | valdyn: which results in : http://pastebin.com/bGqywpxd |
| 22:19.20 | blistov | what do you mean they aren't the same commands? |
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| 22:19.52 | blistov | appologies if i'm missing something obvious, but i've been up for going on my second day fighting with internet emergencies. |
| 22:20.18 | tormen | abrotman: but vpnc != openconnect. I was looking for openconnect which seems newer and still active. |
| 22:20.26 | valdyn | blistov: Error: either "to" is duplicate, or "netmask" is a garbage. |
| 22:20.36 | abrotman | tormen: yeah, there's a GUI in there somewhere, I swear .. and it's the VPN front end |
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| 22:20.41 | valdyn | blistov: thats one error you get when upping interface p5p1 |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | tormen: such as you want network-manager-vpnc and networkmanager-openconnect-gnome or something like that |
| 22:22.58 | valdyn | blistov: your gateway 10.0.0.1 is equivalent to ip route add default gw 10.0.0.1. Having that set the lines 10 and 11 have to fail |
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| 22:26.37 | tormen | abrotman: hehe ... that would be cool if it would be there. The option to use vpnc I have in my gui, but NOT openconnect. According to a screenshot I found and given that vpnc and openconnect are quite different, I assume that there should be a "openconnect" in the list of vpn types when you add a vpn, but for me there is not !? |
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| 22:27.12 | abrotman | tormen: dpkg -l | grep network-manager .. paste.debian.net please |
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| 22:31.55 | blistov | @valdyn, you're of course correct, but I still dont' understand why the rest of my routes and rules aren't being applied. |
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| 22:33.05 | blistov | I modified the config to specify 10.0.0.0/8 via 10.0.0.1 as well as 192.168.8.0/8 and 192.168.12.0/8 via 10.0.0.1, but neither of the 192's show up, then p5p1.10 gets fully applied, but routes don't get added to the CP table for p5p1.11 |
| 22:33.14 | blistov | again, I manually run the commands and they work fine. |
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| 22:33.42 | gebruiker | anyone here using Infinality font rendering? |
| 22:33.57 | valdyn | blistov: you are manually adding the default gateway and you can run line 10 and 11 successfully? no way |
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| 22:34.48 | blistov | valdyn, no, i've done as you suggested and got rid of "gateway 10.0.0.1". |
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| 22:35.10 | blistov | replaced with routes for 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.8.0/24, and 192.168.12.0/24 via 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:35.29 | valdyn | blistov: so now all works but the last interface p5p1.11 ? |
| 22:36.07 | blistov | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/b2xjkx0X |
| 22:36.10 | blistov | that's where I'm at now. |
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| 22:36.52 | blistov | p5p1 routes for 192.168.8.0/24, 192.168.12.0/24 did not get applied. |
| 22:37.01 | blistov | and none of the routes for p5p1.11 got applied. |
| 22:37.41 | blistov | so I couldn't ssh in from my machine to p5p1 (10.0.0.27) because i'm at 192.168.8.6. I could however, ssh into p5p1.10 just fine, as well as p5p1 from 10.0.0.0/8 |
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| 22:38.29 | gebruiker | apt tell us about Infinality |
| 22:39.14 | blistov | @valdyn, and once again, if I run any of the commands that didn't complete automatically, everything works as expected. |
| 22:39.20 | valdyn | blistov: line 14 is nonsense |
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| 22:39.56 | valdyn | blistov: it will probably fail, and if that one fails (which im not sure of) then 16 and 17 wont run |
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| 22:41.04 | valdyn | blistov: 10.0.0.0/8 is your actual local subnet as specified by the netmask, you cant go to that subnet via gw |
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| 22:42.01 | blistov | i'm not following that. i'm not setting a gw. |
| 22:42.10 | blistov | line 15 commented out. |
| 22:42.16 | valdyn | blistov: up ip route add 10.0.0.0/8 via 10.0.0.1 does set a gateway |
| 22:42.22 | valdyn | blistov: that is line 14 |
| 22:42.42 | blistov | wait, is that setting default gw again then? |
| 22:42.54 | blistov | but ... I need that route. |
| 22:43.01 | valdyn | blistov: no you dont need that route |
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| 22:43.06 | blistov | oh jesus. |
| 22:43.07 | blistov | hahahaha |
| 22:43.09 | blistov | fuck. |
| 22:43.12 | valdyn | blistov: unless your netmask is wrong |
| 22:43.16 | blistov | sorry. yea, brain... stupid brain... |
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| 22:44.05 | blistov | netmask is correct. |
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| 22:44.34 | blistov | I didn't know that setting that route would sneakily set a default gw as well. |
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| 22:45.11 | valdyn | blistov: doesnt matter if that sets a default gw or not, its plain broken |
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| 22:45.22 | blistov | @valdyn, Yup, makes sense. |
| 22:45.30 | valdyn | blistov: you cannot go to the local subnet via any default or non-default gw |
| 22:45.34 | blistov | Got rid of all my other gw's as well, and it's all working perfect now. |
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| 22:46.04 | valdyn | blistov: ok, nice |
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| 22:46.50 | Jn_Kell | Hi all, would it be possible to just use the "HUD" (the possibility to have access to menu's from a command interface) from Ubuntu's Unity DE? |
| 22:46.52 | blistov | This is just what happens when the boss won't fire people for watching movies at work all day, when we've got 100+ people in the building at any given time, sharing a 10mb symmetrical connection, AND turns out there's an upstream ISP issue as well, which I can't really argue with the ISP about because I can't prove my end isn't at fault... 3 days.... |
| 22:47.13 | beepie | Jn_Kell, unity that's #ubuntu stuff |
| 22:47.14 | blistov | valdyn: But, all working as expected now. Many thanks and 25,000 internets to you sir/maam. |
| 22:47.30 | valdyn | blistov: welcome |
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| 22:47.53 | cluelesscoder | so I'm not on my linux computer right now so I can't test suggestions, but I'm curious: what are people's methods for removing metapackages? the accepted answer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/166803/how-remove-all-programs-from-a-meta-package is sort of scary, and I tried "aptitude remove <metapackage>" (after installing with aptitude) and it didn't work with xfce4; seems the dependencies... |
| 22:47.54 | cluelesscoder | ...were marked as manually-installed too and deborphan isn't working |
| 22:48.00 | Jn_Kell | beepie, I know, but I'd like to have that feature in Wheezy/Gnome3. |
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| 22:49.04 | beepie | Jn_Kell, why not make one? |
| 22:49.11 | sheap | can I use a custom tasksel entry during a preseed install? like the user enters a selection during network boot, which then gets passed to the preseed to answer the question for tasksel? |
| 22:49.14 | blistov | @valdyn, so one last thing. Now that I've got three working interfaces, and I can hit them all independent of each other, what's the best option for outbound routing? |
| 22:49.22 | sheap | or is there a better way to do this? |
| 22:49.23 | blistov | My round-robin works, but it's sketchy. |
| 22:49.26 | Jn_Kell | beepie, I'm interested :) How? |
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| 22:49.33 | beepie | sheap, i'm sure you can make a "module" add-on to the expert-mode install.. |
| 22:49.40 | beepie | sheap, i think this is what you're after.. |
| 22:50.12 | sheap | beepie: well has to be entirely through preseed since it's going to be automated |
| 22:50.34 | beepie | sheap, yep that should be possible.. |
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| 22:51.22 | sheap | beepie: but the 'tasksel' package has menu options that is included in the package, and I don't want to repackage it at all, do you know of a good way? |
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| 22:52.08 | beepie | sheap, i don't know the details exactly but I know this should be possible.. |
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| 22:53.14 | beepie | !tell sheap about preseed |
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| 22:54.04 | sheap | beepie: well I know how to ask and answer questions with the preseed, but I just don't know how to get the custom "task" that tasksel would use into the installer in the first place |
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| 23:00.06 | delsvr | Hi, has anyone experienced an issue where xrandr hangs when run by a user, but runs fine for root? It appears that I have to prefix my xrandr commands with sudo. 'xrandr -q' or 'xrandr --version' hang in a user shell. |
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| 23:07.46 | Walex | delsvr: unlikely... It should be the either way round perpahs. |
| 23:07.59 | Walex | DelphicOkami: try 'strace -etrace=file xrandr -q' |
| 23:08.11 | Walex | delsvr: try 'strace -etrace=file xrandr -q' |
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| 23:13.50 | _weykent | if i'm creating a user in postinst, is it best practice to delete said user in prerm/postrm? |
| 23:14.37 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: generally speaking, no. |
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| 23:14.47 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, hmm, okay |
| 23:14.53 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: the exception is if you are certain that there are not any files owned by that user. |
| 23:15.00 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: then delete away |
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| 23:15.22 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, the only thing that could still exist owned by that user is a log file |
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| 23:15.39 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, i was thinking of deleting that in prerm/postrm, but now that seems like a bad idea |
| 23:16.05 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: ah, yeah, in that case, it's fine to delete the user or purge, I'd think |
| 23:16.30 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, still, it seems like a bad idea to delete logs if you're purging a package |
| 23:16.36 | _weykent | the user might still want them |
| 23:17.21 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: kind of hard to say |
| 23:17.37 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: since purge isn't the default operation, it depends how valuable the logs are |
| 23:17.49 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: for example, for a DB, you wouldn't want purge to delete the databases |
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| 23:18.10 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: but it seems totally reasonable for a purge to get rid of the logs |
| 23:18.16 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, hmm, okay |
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| 23:18.34 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: I imagine you'll probably find packages which do both. |
| 23:18.52 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, yeah, i was hoping there was a clear precedent, haha |
| 23:19.05 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: yeah, unfortunately it's kind of a gray area |
| 23:19.20 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: ideally, purge will get you back to the exact state you had before you installed the package |
| 23:19.26 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, that's what i thought |
| 23:21.11 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: https://wiki.debian.org/AccountHandlingInMaintainerScripts has a reasonable summary of this issue, though |
| 23:21.19 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, oh, thank you |
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| 23:22.28 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: no problem. If you search lists.debian.org, there were also a few hundred message threads about this issue |
| 23:22.57 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: but if you're lucky, your package is simple enough that there's an obvious answer. |
| 23:24.19 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, yeah, it is a pretty simple package, and doesn't create any files except logs, so i think doing the delete on purge is the right way to go |
| 23:24.28 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, thanks again! |
| 23:24.56 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: no problem! BTW, if you need more assistance, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (OFTC) is the best place to get help |
| 23:25.08 | somnium | hey, can someone tell me how the mysql daemon sessions shoots to the roof for some reason? |
| 23:25.19 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: there tend to be more people there who are familiar with Debian packaging. [But you can always ask here.] |
| 23:25.26 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, ah, okay, that channel is for people who are doing packaging? |
| 23:25.30 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: right |
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| 23:25.44 | dondelelcaro | _weykent: and people who are supporting people doing packaging |
| 23:25.57 | _weykent | dondelelcaro, perfect. i'll have to connect to OFTC as well |
| 23:26.02 | somnium | I have a DB system that makes the system load to 100% with SendingReply in apache_status and I can't seem to find out why.. |
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| 23:26.32 | dondelelcaro | somnium: use show server status; or similar to see what the mysql clients are doing |
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| 23:27.26 | somnium | dondelelcaro, what if its a 5.1 system? :P |
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| 23:33.41 | somnium | dondelelcaro, can the qcache cause a high load average if its wrongly set for some reason? |
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| 23:34.12 | somnium | sorry...wrong channel I apologies |
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| 23:45.00 | Wegg | Hey debian people. I'm getting this error when trying to install VLC on Jessie. http://www.pasteall.org/55126 |
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| 23:45.15 | Wegg | Anyone else getting that? |
| 23:46.35 | xbytemx | I have a break ordering cycle starting with basic.target |
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| 23:49.39 | SOUL_OF_R00T | Wegg, i had troubles with this these day i had to purge vlc and reinstall |
| 23:49.51 | Wegg | tried that already. |
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| 23:49.55 | Wegg | I'll have another go. |
| 23:50.08 | xbytemx | here are more info: http://paste.debian.net/131504/ |
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| 23:53.06 | xbytemx | if anyone can suggest me some workaround or solution about it, will be greatly appreciated |
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