| 00:00.06 | yuv | mtn: I ran a dist-upgrade after quite some time |
| 00:00.24 | mtn | yuv: which version of debian? |
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| 00:00.29 | yuv | testing |
| 00:00.34 | yuv | am I in the wrong channel? |
| 00:00.59 | mtn | yuv: #debian-next on oftc.net is the preferred channel for testing support |
| 00:02.00 | yuv | ok, thank you |
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| 00:11.06 | plasma_ | what's the recommended alternative to Synergy, now that the developer has put up a paywall? I can get the Linux version from apt but on Windows I'd have to remember my credentials and log in |
| 00:11.18 | plasma_ | plus the developer doesn't deserve support. |
| 00:11.26 | plasma_ | (or, any more of my support; I regret donating) |
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| 00:37.44 | Simotek-Work | plasma_, i thought you could still download it through the paywall |
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| 00:39.50 | Simotek-Work | nope my bad its changed again, plasma_ i'd just download the source and build it |
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| 00:42.15 | marioxcc | plasma_: do you have a problem for paying for free (as in freedom) software? |
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| 00:46.07 | Simotek-Work | marioxcc, i think he said he'd already paid for it but couldn't be bothered remembering his login |
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| 00:46.50 | justanotheruser | Is it possible to set my default terminal emulator to something I didn't install via apt-get, rather just wget'd the binary? |
| 00:47.01 | marioxcc | Simotek-Work: I see |
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| 00:48.21 | marioxcc | justanotheruser: I wasn't even aware that Debian keeps a default terminal emulator. Try searching about "update-alternatives" |
| 00:48.52 | justanotheruser | marioxcc: it is x-terminal-emulator |
| 00:49.12 | justanotheruser | marioxcc: yes, I was using update-alternatives, but it only lists things installed through apt-egt |
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| 00:50.21 | marioxcc | justanotheruser: I think that you can set it to a custom value with --set |
| 00:50.23 | marioxcc | read the man page. |
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| 00:51.17 | IonCannon|web | hey how do I release/renew the DHCP lease while I'm in the install media |
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| 00:51.28 | IonCannon|web | I want to do the mirror without restarting the installer |
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| 00:52.55 | plasma_ | Simotek-Work: Unfortunately, compiling it on windows requires a ton of stuff, such as VS2008, VS2008 SP1, Qt, Cmake, a lot of time, etc. |
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| 00:53.11 | plasma_ | marioxcc: I DID pay for it, but I would take my money back if I could. Imagine if all FOSS software prevented users from obtaining binaries easily |
| 00:53.13 | plasma_ | we'd all be screwed |
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| 00:53.36 | plasma_ | "apt-get upgrade will function only after you donate and enter your credentials" |
| 00:54.53 | astings | 0 ad not run in fedora 20 |
| 00:54.58 | astings | i need help |
| 00:55.13 | marioxcc | plasma_: well, to start with, you can mirror free software and distribute it at no charge, that's almost sure to happen for popular software even if the developer intends otherwise (and even if it *tries* to impose artificial scarity through digital restrictions management and abusing law for that (I.e: restrictive copyright)) |
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| 00:55.32 | marioxcc | though, the difference with free software is that it's legal to do so (among many other differences, of course) |
| 00:56.29 | plasma_ | marioxcc: Yeah, and what I was looking for was, hopefully, someone who either forked Synergy or is just providing builds, as kind people often do |
| 00:56.39 | marioxcc | also, it's your choice whether to pay or not for software. I strongly discourage paying for proprietary software since you would be funding its development and monopoliy, with the associated absurd restrictions (like the artificial scarcity I mentioned) |
| 00:56.49 | marioxcc | though, I encourage paying for free software, even if it's a small amount |
| 00:57.23 | marioxcc | plasma_: hmm, well, I don't know. if nobody has, you can do so, but please make sure to encourage donations to the developer if it's a commercial (but free) project |
| 00:57.40 | marioxcc | I assume that you tried search engines already |
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| 00:57.49 | Plasmastar | my highlighter is blowing up |
| 00:58.30 | plasma_ | marioxcc: Yeah, a bunch, and I did find nightlies, but those won't be compatible with my Debian Testing and Debian Stable systems |
| 00:58.51 | plasma_ | marioxcc: I did donate, as I agree with supporting FOSS (and Synergy is quite great), but I'd take it back if I could. I can't support making it inaccessible to users unless you donate |
| 00:59.14 | plasma_ | the people who find it hardest to donate will also find it hardest to compile it themselves |
| 01:00.08 | marioxcc | plasma_: I see it another way, the author has deceided to no longer make it available for download, now he wants to charge for that service which is fine for me. the point is that he provides software that respects your freedom but he charges for a service related to it. |
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| 01:00.35 | marioxcc | if you can't find the software elsewhere, or not with the same convenience, then it's a service, and it makes sense paying for it, IMO |
| 01:00.39 | Simotek-Work | plasma_, maybe i'll try and build it after lunch, i have all those things installed on my windows build machine here. |
| 01:00.57 | Simotek-Work | the visual studio it requires is a free download |
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| 01:01.16 | plasma_ | marioxcc: To me it's more like a bait and switch. The first one is free, but want easily accessible builds? No way. Also, this software is unique in that the moment when I most need it (setting up a new computer) is the moment when I am least likely to have my passwords accessible |
| 01:01.53 | Simotek-Work | i'm kinda supprised knowone has set up a windows build mirror yet |
| 01:02.03 | plasma_ | Yeah, me too, Simotek-Work |
| 01:02.11 | plasma_ | Reddit was all in a huff about the developer's decision to do this a few months ago too |
| 01:02.35 | Simotek-Work | it didn't take that long for someone to setup hexchat after xchat started charging for windows installers |
| 01:02.37 | illy | hi, i need to install perl language on debian in order for my scripts to work BUT apt-cache search perl = over 9000 lines :D including postfix,mysql... |
| 01:02.41 | plasma_ | yeah, true |
| 01:02.43 | illy | dpkg perl |
| 01:02.43 | dpkg | Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. See also <dh-make-perl>. |
| 01:02.52 | illy | darn it |
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| 01:03.56 | marioxcc | plasma_: right. I don't want to argue, I just offered my viewpoint :). |
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| 01:04.09 | Simotek-Work | plasma_, if its 64 bit windows pm me a email address and i'll try and email it to you |
| 01:04.24 | Simotek-Work | i still have it in my downloads directory |
| 01:04.30 | plasma_ | marioxcc: thanks! And arguing will solve nothing anyway |
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| 01:04.57 | plasma_ | simotek-work: Oh? I'm looking for the version compatible with Debian Testing, which is 1.4.16 for x64. I maay end up building it myself |
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| 01:06.13 | astings | debian is equal to fedora? |
| 01:06.23 | astings | or i'm wrong? |
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| 01:07.10 | __RC__ | hi |
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| 01:08.31 | petn-randall | astings: equal in what sense? |
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| 01:09.35 | pingfloyd | astings: it is greater than |
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| 01:11.39 | Simotek-Work | petn-randall, pingfloyd ignore astings, hes asked the same thing everyday at this time |
| 01:12.08 | Simotek-Work | plasma_, i have 1.4.15 on windows |
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| 01:12.52 | Simotek-Work | and 1.5.0 on my nix box (not running debian) |
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| 01:15.09 | petn-randall | astings: We can't help you getting 0ad to run on Fedora 20, you'll have to ask in #fedora. |
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| 01:16.09 | Simotek-Work | petn-randall, i told him that this time yesterday |
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| 01:29.04 | astings | debian is very boring |
| 01:29.10 | astings | XD |
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| 01:29.48 | pingfloyd | astings: so far, you're very boring |
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| 01:31.26 | pycoderf | hello all. i am noob and misconfigured network now my system is stuck from to dhcp on wlan0 but doesn't have any info for it. how can i bypass that step at boot? |
| 01:31.32 | pycoderf | single user mode did NOT work |
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| 01:31.50 | marioxcc | pycoderf: hi, what did you do? |
| 01:32.02 | astings | why do gnome cause instability in my system? |
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| 01:32.10 | teriamo | pycoderf: do you have network drives? |
| 01:32.27 | marioxcc | astings: that's a too general, it's hard to give a satisfactory answer |
| 01:32.31 | teriamo | astings: use xfce or less bloated window managers like fluxbox |
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| 01:32.48 | pycoderf | marioxcc: i accidentally added wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces since i was trying to rush and did not realize it did not cache the info after the install. i used netinst |
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| 01:33.17 | teriamo | pycoder try livecd , grml etc type to remove that line from the interfaces |
| 01:33.28 | marioxcc | pycoderf: do you have a wireless NIC (network interface card)? what was the setting before you did that? |
| 01:33.49 | marioxcc | (I.e: was the network set by network-manager or set manually) |
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| 01:34.07 | pycoderf | it had nothing configured for the nic, wlan0 or eth0, and yes i have one. brand new netinst. seems i jumepd the gun and had to wait for dhcp to time out |
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| 01:34.50 | marioxcc | pycoderf: is your current connection wired or wireless? if it's wired, then just remove what you added |
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| 01:35.46 | marioxcc | pycoderf: if it's managed by network-manager, then you don't need to configure anything other than the loopback virtual interface (127.0.0.1) there |
| 01:35.57 | pingfloyd | Gnome shouldn't make your system unstable |
| 01:36.13 | marioxcc | network-manager is usually installed if you install a desktop environment, even if you don't explicitly ask for it |
| 01:36.18 | marioxcc | though you can uninstall it |
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| 01:36.54 | pycoderf | there is no gui on this device. it is a minimal install for xbmc ONLY |
| 01:36.55 | pycoderf | i got in |
| 01:37.25 | marioxcc | pycoderf: I don't understand what you did. first, do you intend to use a wired or wireless connection? |
| 01:37.31 | pycoderf | wireless |
| 01:37.33 | pingfloyd | There is the cli version of network manager |
| 01:37.50 | marioxcc | pycoderf: ok, did the network work before you modified the config file? |
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| 01:37.52 | pycoderf | marioxcc: what i did was accidentally told wlan0 to dhcp when it had nothing to connect to thus it failed |
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| 01:38.01 | pycoderf | had to wait for it to time out during boot |
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| 01:38.24 | pycoderf | i just wired it up temporarily |
| 01:38.37 | marioxcc | pycoderf: check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#Manual_setup for setting up your network manually |
| 01:38.43 | astings | windows is the best operating system in the world, |
| 01:38.43 | astings | the 10 most big supercomputers run with windows XP or 98 |
| 01:39.09 | marioxcc | pycoderf: alternatively, if you intend to install a graphic environment then just use network manager |
| 01:39.11 | owh | I've been looking on the net, but cannot find a Debian hosted/verified forensic boot ISO. Can I boot a Debian CD and guarantee that it won't touch the internal drive? Are there boot parameters for this? |
| 01:39.11 | astings | windows is very safe |
| 01:39.27 | pycoderf | i am not going to do a gui outside of xmbc |
| 01:39.29 | pingfloyd | astings: on a troll scale of 1 to 10 I give you a 2 |
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| 01:39.43 | Gyeliott | Try harder :( |
| 01:39.45 | marioxcc | pingfloyd: you're being quite generous |
| 01:40.01 | pingfloyd | A very generous 2 |
| 01:40.08 | Gyeliott | Sounds like straight from the early 2000s |
| 01:40.15 | marioxcc | astings: you're doing it wrong mate, you have to talk about something we care about, and we don't care about windows, or at least I don't |
| 01:40.18 | marioxcc | hehe ;) |
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| 01:40.50 | pingfloyd | Because zero imagination and regurgitating old shtick. |
| 01:41.02 | marioxcc | owh: a Debian live CD? well, I don't know. I would assume that it would read but not write to the disk unless you mount something |
| 01:41.31 | owh | marioxcc: It's my understanding that it automatically creates a swap file, even as a Live CD. |
| 01:41.41 | Gyeliott | If Linux is so superior, then why is it such a pain in the ass to install anything, nothing runs out of the box and you always end up using bullshit terminal for simple stuff. In mean, in 2014, lol u fail at life Linux |
| 01:41.53 | Gyeliott | you can get a 4 with this |
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| 01:41.58 | Gyeliott | maybe |
| 01:42.03 | astings | WINDOWS,this OS it doesn't need antivirus,all virus of computer has been developed for linux |
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| 01:43.04 | marioxcc | Gyeliott: if you actually said that prenteding it's serious people would just tell you that you're an idiot for not knowing how to operate a computer while using one |
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| 01:43.21 | Gyeliott | well, that's the whole point of a troll |
| 01:43.51 | astings | troll power lol |
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| 01:44.00 | marioxcc | owh: I don't know about the live CD. if you want to do forensics (by that if you mean analyzing the data made avaialble through the normal disk interface), try looking for a jumper that makes the disk read only |
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| 01:44.46 | astings | linux is so hard learn to configure than learn to clean my ass |
| 01:44.57 | Gyeliott | Debian doesn't even have a Start button lol how's that for a standard |
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| 01:45.09 | owh | marioxcc: The drive is inside a laptop. I need to make a copy of it from an external boot, either USB or CD/DVD. If the external boot changes the drive in any way, then I'm basically pissing in the wind. |
| 01:45.39 | pingfloyd | The point of trolling isn't to make yourself look inept, it is to incite flames. |
| 01:45.40 | marioxcc | owh: can't you just extract the HD? (it's not a rhetorical question) |
| 01:45.50 | marioxcc | pingfloyd: indeed |
| 01:46.06 | marioxcc | refer to Tolvalds for a prime example of an high profile troll |
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| 01:46.57 | owh | marioxcc: No, I cannot open up the laptop and start dicking with the drive. |
| 01:47.12 | pingfloyd | That makes you look like a noob in addition to being technically inept. |
| 01:47.17 | astings | i have a question |
| 01:47.17 | astings | why windows is best than linux? |
| 01:47.17 | astings | please friends is a seriously question |
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| 01:47.54 | marioxcc | owh: I don't know if the live CD would write to the HD, but if you don't want to leave a trace, you will have a hard time |
| 01:48.08 | marioxcc | moden hard disks store hours of ON time, accessible by SMART |
| 01:48.12 | marioxcc | see smartctl |
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| 01:48.19 | hgl | hi, can i recursively find a package's dependencies without using apt-rdepends? |
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| 01:49.42 | buu | If I have a basic home network setup of computer -> switch; computer2 -> switch; switch -> router; router -> internet; if I initiate a connection between computer and computer2, does it go through the router? |
| 01:49.54 | astings | black hole won't you come |
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| 01:50.26 | owh | marioxcc: It's not to do with leaving evidence, it's to do with changing the content of the drive. |
| 01:50.38 | astings | what is the channel IRC for windows? |
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| 01:50.44 | marioxcc | buu: as an optimization, the traffic mostly doesn't, but some will |
| 01:50.49 | owh | marioxcc: I'm not particularly worried about on time. |
| 01:50.51 | marioxcc | for instance, DHCP requests (which are broadcast) |
| 01:50.55 | owh | astings: /dev/null |
| 01:51.14 | astings | Groovy |
| 01:51.21 | marioxcc | buu: in addition, by default Ethernet is not safe, so that if the router is malicioous, it may easily intercept the traffic |
| 01:51.23 | pingfloyd | astings: its at 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:51.24 | marioxcc | or do IP spoofing |
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| 01:51.57 | astings | you're a hacker pingfloyd? |
| 01:52.05 | astings | that's great |
| 01:52.11 | pingfloyd | That's where all the lane windows fanboys are |
| 01:52.33 | marioxcc | owh: sorry, I can't help with that, I don't know how the Debian live CD behaves |
| 01:52.38 | pingfloyd | You'll be right at home |
| 01:52.41 | buu | marioxcc: Hmph |
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| 01:53.27 | marioxcc | buu: you can set up a trusted VLAN on top of an untrusted LAN, though |
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| 01:53.56 | astings | excuse me i don't disturb for now |
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| 01:57.25 | astings | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.25 | astings | you're god or krishna? |
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| 01:58.23 | owh | astings: As a troll, that rates higher than your previous efforts. |
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| 01:58.52 | marioxcc | would you guys like to recommend a guide on building Linux? |
| 01:59.04 | pingfloyd | owh: if trolling were about being self deprecating, yes |
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| 01:59.54 | owh | pingfloyd: It meets the criteria, something that gets someone to jump in with an answer. Mind you, that's before we saw the previous efforts. |
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| 02:00.48 | astings | android was created by microsoft |
| 02:01.00 | Simotek-Work | knows astings ip address as well |
| 02:01.01 | Extensa5630G | then google bought it M |
| 02:01.07 | pingfloyd | owh: yeah we're giving him more attention than he deserves, but I'm bored. |
| 02:01.09 | Extensa5630G | *? |
| 02:01.32 | Simotek-Work | well its lunch time pingfloyd |
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| 02:01.56 | pingfloyd | It is early there |
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| 02:02.13 | pingfloyd | It is 6 pm here |
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| 02:02.34 | Simotek-Work | its midday tommorow here |
| 02:02.47 | somiaj | astings: do you have a debian support question, if not you are in the wrong place. There is ##windows for windows support if that is what you are looking for. |
| 02:02.58 | pingfloyd | And thanks to stupid daylight savings, it is dark out already. |
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| 02:03.14 | Simotek-Work | somiaj, originally he was looking for fedora support |
| 02:03.17 | owh | pingfloyd: Do your curtains fade too? |
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| 02:04.03 | pingfloyd | What do you mean? |
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| 02:04.08 | Simotek-Work | i like daylight savings, here it means its light enough to do stuff after work, and that it doesn't get light at 5am |
| 02:04.43 | Simotek-Work | pingfloyd, its common joke that daylight savings makes peoples curtains fade because of the extra light |
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| 02:05.09 | pingfloyd | Oh |
| 02:05.11 | astings | lol |
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| 02:05.59 | Simotek-Work | as a side effect it means australia currently has 5 time zones, which is a little silly |
| 02:06.09 | owh | Six |
| 02:06.18 | pingfloyd | We lost light |
| 02:06.22 | Simotek-Work | even sillyer |
| 02:06.28 | owh | Simotek-Work: Bordertown between WA and SA. |
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| 02:07.06 | Simotek-Work | well bordertown is between sa and vic, but it would make sense to use differnt time ther |
| 02:07.31 | Simotek-Work | its also silly that not every state always starts daylight saving at the same time |
| 02:07.39 | astings | i live in narnia |
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| 02:10.54 | marioxcc | Simotek-Work: DST is stupid, it creates a logical error |
| 02:11.10 | marioxcc | in that each year there's a local time of day (1 hour) which is ambiguous |
| 02:11.14 | marioxcc | while another hour doesn't exists |
| 02:11.16 | owh | Simotek-Work: Sorry, I mispoke, Border Village. |
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| 02:12.00 | Simotek-Work | marioxcc, i'm happy to take the logical error for 2 hrs of the year in order to be able to go for bike rides or to the beach after work |
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| 02:12.44 | Simotek-Work | on a 40c day its the best couple of hours in the day, without daylight savings id spend them still at work |
| 02:13.13 | Simotek-Work | but we are now much off topic |
| 02:13.31 | astings | jesus says in your holy word "the mens have work all life" |
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| 02:14.32 | marioxcc | Simotek-Work: sure, but DST is the wrong way to do it, 1 h disrupts human sleep cycle, or at least mine does (I live in Mexico and we use that shit too) |
| 02:14.59 | marioxcc | they should do it in smaller increments, and move the working hours, rather than moving the time offset to UTC |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:15.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:16.05 | cathode | hi i've made changes to /etc/crontab and i was looking for a way to restart the cron service, but information i found online suggests it isn't necessary ... however the thing i added isn't being executed |
| 02:16.21 | cathode | it's supposed to be running every 5 minutes which means i'd have seen it's effects by now |
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| 02:17.15 | cathode | do i need to manually restart cron? |
| 02:17.28 | cathode | also is the @reboot directive supported on debian 7? |
| 02:17.41 | petn-randall | cathode: Check /var/log/cron.log, you most likely are seeing the effects, just not the expected ones. |
| 02:17.41 | dondelelcaro | cathode: yes. |
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| 02:17.53 | dondelelcaro | cathode: and no, you don't have to manually restart cron |
| 02:18.07 | dondelelcaro | cathode: if you're not sure if it's being run, check /var/log/auth.log. |
| 02:18.16 | buu | dondelelcaro: WHY ARE COMPUTERS THE DEVIL'S WORK |
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| 02:18.26 | dondelelcaro | cathode: most likely the problem is in your cronjob not doing what you expected it to, not cron not working properly. |
| 02:18.32 | cathode | ok |
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| 02:18.38 | petn-randall | cathode: Amongst other things, the environment vars are set different in cron that in the shell. You have to put the full path there for exectuables, for example. |
| 02:18.52 | cathode | i did |
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| 02:19.04 | dondelelcaro | cathode: what's the line in /etc/crontab? |
| 02:19.32 | cathode | */5 * * * * root /etc/init.d/minecraft disksaverun |
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| 02:19.49 | cathode | although now that i look at that... it's minecraft.sh |
| 02:19.53 | cathode | does that make a difference? |
| 02:20.02 | dondelelcaro | cathode: yes, potentially. |
| 02:20.26 | cathode | ok. changed that... now the other line is: |
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| 02:20.32 | cathode | @reboot root /etc/init.d/minecraft start |
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| 02:20.48 | dondelelcaro | cathode: if you have a proper initscript, there's no reason to use @reboot |
| 02:20.51 | cathode | er, with the .sh anyway, that should run it at system boot? |
| 02:20.59 | Mickey_Mouse | i have debian in my second hard disk |
| 02:20.59 | Mickey_Mouse | but i have problems with gnome this graphical environment,run very low and cause instability in the OS |
| 02:21.04 | marioxcc | cathode: don't use minecraft, it's proprietary software, it steps over your rights, you're not even legally allowed to see what's what you're running, check out minetest instead |
| 02:21.12 | dondelelcaro | cathode: just do something like update-rc.d minecraft.sh defaults; |
| 02:21.38 | cathode | ok |
| 02:21.53 | Mickey_Mouse | the solution for this problem is go to trolling here |
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| 02:22.20 | dondelelcaro | Mickey_Mouse: run something besides gnome, then. Debian has KDE, XFCE, etc. |
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| 02:22.47 | dondelelcaro | Mickey_Mouse: alternatively, if your hardware is sufficiently powerful, and it seems like a bug, please file it with as much detail as you can manage. |
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| 02:26.55 | Mickey_Mouse | i've installed xcfe but the problem continue |
| 02:26.55 | Mickey_Mouse | CPU use is 100% |
| 02:26.55 | Mickey_Mouse | but RAM is minimum |
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| 02:27.31 | marioxcc | Mickey_Mouse: use "top" to find which process is doing that |
| 02:27.51 | Mickey_Mouse | ._. |
| 02:27.53 | marioxcc | you might want to uinstall the respective package (check if isn't someting critical before doing so) |
| 02:28.11 | Mickey_Mouse | gnome shell use 50% |
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| 02:28.46 | Mickey_Mouse | how this is possible? |
| 02:28.47 | Mickey_Mouse | is my question? |
| 02:29.11 | Mickey_Mouse | chromiun browser use 35% CPU? |
| 02:29.15 | marioxcc | I don't know, I have left using GNOME since that shit came out |
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| 02:29.30 | marioxcc | it seems terribly stupid |
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| 02:30.38 | marioxcc | Mickey_Mouse: unless you enojy the shitty GNOME 3, install a decent window manager |
| 02:30.47 | marioxcc | try LXDE, XFCE, something else |
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| 02:31.55 | cathode | marioxcc i hope your comment about minecraft 'stepping over my rights' was satire |
| 02:31.58 | cathode | if not, i feel bad for you |
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| 02:33.25 | marioxcc | cathode: why would it be? if you don't care about your users rights, fine, you may be as well using Windows or OS X |
| 02:33.51 | cathode | um, i am... on some systems |
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| 02:34.06 | Mickey_Mouse | somebody know websites for download free e-books? |
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| 02:35.12 | cathode | marioxcc - word of advice: don't jump into a conversation with unhelpful shit like telling people they're bad for not using a crappy open-source clone of a game |
| 02:35.27 | cathode | it's irrelevant and makes you look like a troll (which i think you are anyway) |
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| 02:35.53 | cathode | dondelelcaro - you were right the problem was my crontab entries. adding the .sh fixed it |
| 02:35.59 | cathode | thanks |
| 02:36.19 | marioxcc | cathode: I didn't say you're bad, you're just too stupid to realize the consequences of doing so, which you're already suffering from, that's all |
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| 02:36.57 | cathode | is this guy for real? |
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| 02:38.19 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: stop, please. |
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| 02:38.48 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: if people use proprietary software, that's their business. Calling them names isn't going to change their mind. |
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| 02:39.06 | root | hi |
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| 02:43.07 | bsdbeard | ,v vim |
| 02:43.08 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; wheezy-backports: 2:7.4.488-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:7.4.488-1; sid: 2:7.4.488-1 |
| 02:43.47 | Mickey_Mouse | emacs is equal to vim? |
| 02:43.54 | somiaj | bsdbeard: you can /msg judd vim if you want to |
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| 02:44.22 | somiaj | Mickey_Mouse: they are two different pieces of software, they are both editiors but they have lots of differences. |
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| 02:45.36 | bsdbeard | somiaj, sorry, I thought it was dpkg (tried messaging him) |
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| 02:48.23 | somiaj | bsdbeard: yea you can msg judd or dpkg to get info and not paste it in the channel. I know dpkg won't repsond unless you are in a channel he is in, not sure about judd |
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| 02:57.39 | sheap | can I have a package execute "apt-get install package"? |
| 02:58.04 | marioxcc | sheap: eh, what do you mean? |
| 02:58.06 | marioxcc | execute it when? |
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| 02:59.45 | sheap | marioxcc: like I have a package that gets installed during the OS install (only then), it uses debconf to get an answer to a question, the question is which meta-package to install, and then the answer provides the meta-package name that then pulls the corresponding package |
| 02:59.49 | sheap | hopefully that was clear enough |
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| 03:00.43 | marioxcc | sheap: I think that it's clear, yes |
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| 03:01.14 | sheap | marioxcc: would I just use "apt-get install {package}" or is there a different way I should do this |
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| 03:01.54 | marioxcc | sheap: I think that you need preseeding |
| 03:02.05 | somiaj | sheap: you can, but it is prefered you do it with dependencies. Why do you want to install something to select what to install? |
| 03:02.26 | marioxcc | sheap: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 03:02.46 | somiaj | sheap: actually it might be difficlut to call an install of a new package from within a package since the dpkg process will be locekd and you won't be able to run another. |
| 03:03.06 | somiaj | sheap: why not use a meta package, again why do you want debconf to popup a menu that has you select what you want to install? |
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| 03:03.42 | sheap | somiaj: hmmmm |
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| 03:04.28 | sheap | sheap: there are many (5 or more) different custom meta packages, the user enters one during network boot, and the answer gets passed to the preseed via /proc/cmdline, which then answers the debconf question that this package will prompt |
| 03:04.36 | somiaj | sheap: or another suggestion is make tasks and use tasksel and select which 'group of packages' you want to isntall form there. |
| 03:04.49 | sheap | somiaj: it needs to be in the preseed though |
| 03:05.15 | sheap | I've been able to make a custom task for tasksel, but I don't know how I would load that into the debian install/preseeed |
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| 03:06.41 | somiaj | sheap: I wonder if you can just tell tasksel to run after the install and thus the rest of the isntall is automated and then the user is left at the tasksel screen where they can select which tasks to install. Not sure on this though |
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| 03:07.39 | sheap | somiaj: tasksel uses .desc files to get each menu entry, I'm not sure how I would get my custom .desc file into tasksel/how tasksel would come up...late command I suppose? |
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| 03:09.29 | somiaj | sheap: I wouldn't know either. Again I'm unsure if tasksel can do this |
| 03:09.53 | somiaj | sheap: I think your method of using debconf to select a package to install wno't work since the dpkg databse will be locked |
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| 03:10.06 | sheap | somiaj: yea I just realized that as well |
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| 03:10.32 | Lady_Aleena | Will someone please gently remind me how to search packages for the word 'doc'? I'm searching for offline docs to KDE programs. |
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| 03:11.34 | somiaj | sheap: but what you could do is say install a script say an initscript that has the 'select which packages to install', that way when the install is run and the machine rboots it runs this script and runs this script that launches this thing asking a user to select which things it wants to intsall. Then have your metapackages conflict with the package that provides this initscript/tool so it removes it during the install. Thoguh this to me seems ... |
| 03:11.40 | somiaj | ... like maybe reinveting something that may already do this (like tasksel) |
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| 03:11.52 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: "apt-cache search doc" for instance, but you will need to be more specific |
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| 03:12.17 | sheap | somiaj: yea I've tried interactive menu's post install and they've been nothing but trouble |
| 03:12.37 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you may want to put a --names-only in the command marioxcc suggested |
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| 03:13.00 | sheap | tasksel seems like the best suited but I feel like I'd have to clear out the existing .desc files so the default options don't come up |
| 03:13.09 | Lady_Aleena | I don't mind long lists, but GUH! could the list be alphabetical at least? |
| 03:13.43 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: pipe it into sort |
| 03:13.53 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: apt-cache --names-only search doc | sort | less |
| 03:13.54 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: in my system it is, I think |
| 03:13.58 | marioxcc | but you can always use sort |
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| 03:14.07 | sheap | I wonder if tasksel as a late command reads .desc files from /target or not |
| 03:14.21 | somiaj | its althbetical per source, so it lists thigns in main, contrib, non-free, etc sepertally |
| 03:14.30 | somiaj | so it is only partly in althebetical order |
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| 03:15.26 | somiaj | sheap: Yea, maybe #debian-boot or #debian-installer can help you with configuring a custom tasksel with a preseed |
| 03:15.46 | somiaj | sheap: those channels are on irc.debian.org |
| 03:16.00 | somiaj | (or irc.oftc.net) |
| 03:16.01 | marioxcc | somiaj: last time I checked, that was an alias for freenode |
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| 03:16.18 | marioxcc | sorry, OFTC |
| 03:16.21 | marioxcc | (I just checked again) |
| 03:16.24 | Lady_Aleena | OKay, found it, thanks all! |
| 03:16.27 | somiaj | marioxcc: hasn't been for years, debian switched off of freenode years ago and oftc.net is the 'offical' network |
| 03:16.53 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, what was the | less for? I can scroll up the results. :) |
| 03:17.05 | marioxcc | somiaj: I probably got confused, but at any rate, I corrected myself seconds after :) |
| 03:17.09 | sheap | yea just asked on there |
| 03:17.17 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I sometimes do this inside a screen which doesn't give me normal scroll up and just prefer less |
| 03:17.18 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: you can omit the less |
| 03:17.28 | marioxcc | but then you must add an useless use of "cat" ;) |
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| 03:18.10 | Lady_Aleena | Ah, I see... |
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| 03:19.52 | Lady_Aleena | Well, that was all for nothing. I installed the docs for amarok from the program manager, and all the pages are blank. |
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| 03:20.30 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: pages are blank? What kinda format is the docs given in? |
| 03:20.51 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I have no idea, they are the KDC help documents. |
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| 03:21.17 | somiaj | yea guess the package says 'can be opened from the application menu Help -> Amarok Handbook |
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| 03:21.40 | somiaj | I have no clue what that means the format is, but you can dpkg -L amarok-doc and see what packages it installed and find teh actual files. |
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| 03:22.17 | Lady_Aleena | I"ll just continue to use the online docs. |
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| 03:23.08 | Lady_Aleena | I just thought everything in the package manager was vetted by the Debian Software Package cabal. |
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| 03:23.31 | sheap | somiaj: for future reference....tasksel would be reading from /target |
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| 03:24.13 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: we check some things, but we've always got bugs |
| 03:24.38 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: It works for the matainers but unless users report bugs it may not be known there is an issue. |
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| 03:24.56 | Mickey_Mouse | good bye guy |
| 03:25.34 | Mickey_Mouse | thanks by not help me |
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| 03:28.42 | blarghlarghl | Hi. If util-linux is the source package for bsdutils, how do I compile/install bsdutils myself? I can do apt-get source bsdutils, that gets me util-linux, but how do I get just the bsdutils bit? |
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| 03:32.47 | dondelelcaro | blarghlarghl: you don't |
| 03:33.41 | dondelelcaro | blarghlarghl: a single source package can make many binary packages, and there's rarely a good way to split out a source package |
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| 03:40.11 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a page which lists when some packages will finally get upgrades? I swear, I am sick and tired of people in the KDE community telling me to upgrade. |
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| 03:41.09 | sheap | so making a new .desc file in /target of the installation and THEN running tasksel works flawlessly |
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| 04:56.57 | buu | no |
| 04:57.01 | supay | i believe somebody accessed my cloud after sniffing my password. |
| 04:57.04 | supay | hm, okay |
| 04:57.28 | buu | mac addresses are only valid inside a router and can be easily spoofed. |
| 04:58.24 | supay | ah, i see.. so i'd have to backtrack the ip address and look up the admins logs to find the mac :? |
| 04:58.24 | supay | tough luck |
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| 06:57.23 | Gatis | GOOD MORNING! :) |
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| 06:58.34 | surf | hi guys I have iceweasel 31 and many sites are displaying very ugly fonts. Most of the time this problem is related to ms-fonts so how can I solve this situation without installing mss fonts? Can I set a default font in iceweasel css? |
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| 07:15.20 | nkuttler | ,v wordpress |
| 07:15.21 | judd | Package: wordpress on i386 -- squeeze: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u4; squeeze-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u4; squeeze-security-lts: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u5; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u4; wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u4; jessie: 4.0+dfsg-1; sid: 4.0+dfsg-1 |
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| 07:18.04 | KAMPUNG_ | hello |
| 07:18.08 | KAMPUNG_ | i need help with installing openvpn |
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| 07:18.12 | KAMPUNG_ | is this the correct channel? |
| 07:18.20 | valdyn | surf: this is completely customizable |
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| 07:19.35 | valdyn | surf: see "userContent.css", google it |
| 07:20.26 | factor | I cant seem to get my usb 3.0 stick mounted. |
| 07:20.57 | factor | the dmesg says /dev/sdd but fdisk -l does not show it but lsusb does. |
| 07:21.15 | factor | Do I need to manually modprobe a module or something |
| 07:21.19 | valdyn | factor: run "fdisk -l /dev/sdd" |
| 07:21.45 | factor | comes back to prompt and nothing |
| 07:22.04 | valdyn | factor: so there is no partitions on it |
| 07:22.10 | factor | or if I do a fdisk /dev/sdd I get a --- fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdd: No medium found |
| 07:22.22 | factor | you would htink I could add a partition with fdisk |
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| 07:23.11 | factor | do I use dd to put one on it. |
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| 07:23.31 | valdyn | factor: no |
| 07:23.35 | factor | then how? |
| 07:23.43 | valdyn | factor: plug it out and back in and show us your dmesg output |
| 07:23.52 | factor | ok hold on |
| 07:24.04 | KAMPUNG_ | hello |
| 07:24.16 | KAMPUNG_ | is this the right channel for getting help with installing openvpn? |
| 07:24.24 | KAMPUNG_ | In the vars file, edit the KEY_* entries at the bottom of the file, such as KEY_COUNTRY, KEY_ORG, KEY_EMAIL, etc. Next, source the vars file and then clean the directory. |
| 07:24.34 | KAMPUNG_ | what does "sourcing the vars file" mean? |
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| 07:25.01 | valdyn | KAMPUNG_: its like "running the vars shell script", with a small difference |
| 07:25.19 | KAMPUNG_ | 02:24:33 < KAMPUNG_> what does "sourcing the vars file" mean? |
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| 07:25.32 | KAMPUNG_ | valdyn: how do i do it? |
| 07:25.54 | valdyn | KAMPUNG_: i dont know what you are talking about, i have no context |
| 07:26.05 | KAMPUNG_ | im trying to install openvpn |
| 07:26.07 | factor | valdyn : http://pastebin.com/95Eg0cuQ |
| 07:26.16 | KAMPUNG_ | so i look this up https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client |
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| 07:26.30 | KAMPUNG_ | i apt-get install openvpn |
| 07:26.32 | KAMPUNG_ | then do this |
| 07:26.33 | KAMPUNG_ | mkdir /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa |
| 07:26.33 | KAMPUNG_ | cp -ai /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/ /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa |
| 07:26.33 | KAMPUNG_ | cd /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/2.0 |
| 07:26.34 | KAMPUNG_ | vi vars |
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| 07:26.58 | KAMPUNG_ | the next step is In the vars file, edit the KEY_* entries at the bottom of the file, such as KEY_COUNTRY, KEY_ORG, KEY_EMAIL, etc. Next, source the vars file and then clean the directory. |
| 07:27.00 | KAMPUNG_ | and im stuck here |
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| 07:27.22 | valdyn | factor: it is identifying as a cdrom |
| 07:27.38 | valdyn | factor: i dont know why, it cant be partitioned or mounted of course then |
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| 07:27.48 | KAMPUNG_ | there's KEY_* all throughout the vars file so im not sure at which point "at the bottom of the file" i need to start editing the KEY_* entries |
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| 07:28.02 | factor | Can I force ti rescan as another device |
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| 07:29.17 | valdyn | factor: its probably a "special" usb stick that boots as a cdrom device |
| 07:29.27 | factor | ahh |
| 07:29.34 | valdyn | factor: i dont know how you switch the mode to make it a disk-like device |
| 07:30.10 | valdyn | !usb-modeswitch |
| 07:30.10 | dpkg | usb_modeswitch is a tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices, e.g. WAN dongles. This utility can disable the storage device (aka "ZeroCD", containing non-Linux drivers) and enable the serial device. Packaged for Debian as usb-modeswitch. http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
| 07:30.21 | valdyn | factor: i think ^^ |
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| 07:30.51 | valdyn | factor: except dpkg talks about a similar feature used on usb modems |
| 07:30.54 | factor | valdyn ok thanks |
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| 07:37.34 | KAMPUNG_ | thanks for all the help faggots |
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| 08:31.17 | Abhijit | which argument to give at kernel boot line, so that the debian will boot from pxe? |
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| 08:33.14 | nullm0dem | Abhijit: I have not booted from PXE in ages but as far as i know this is something you configure in the BIOS before the kernel loads. |
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| 08:34.19 | Abhijit | nullm0dem, thats not the question. nvm. |
| 08:34.28 | Abhijit | I am talking about something different. |
| 08:34.41 | nullm0dem | sorry, it's late for me :) |
| 08:35.39 | valdyn | 3 |
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| 08:41.41 | Abhijit | whats the recommended working solution for debian provisioning automatin? |
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| 08:45.10 | Abhijit | something like cobbler. not the plain pxe. |
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| 08:47.37 | ksk | Abhijit: how about FAI? |
| 08:47.41 | ksk | !tell Abhijit about FAI |
| 08:48.05 | Abhijit | ksk, I was unable to find out docus on how to install FAI in Centos. |
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| 08:48.31 | ksk | Abhijit: didnt you ask how to deploy debian? im confused |
| 08:48.48 | Abhijit | ksk, Dear. |
| 08:50.49 | Abhijit | ksk, we need to deploy remotely. No physical access. so we setup one pxe server. right now we are using cobbler fir this http://www.cobblerd.org/ . "this" server in turns installs desired os in "target" physical servers. |
| 08:51.21 | Abhijit | ksk, so, I need this FAI to be running in my vps, and then inturn install the debian to target physical servers. i will be accessing it through ssh remotely. |
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| 08:53.45 | ksk | i dont see your problem :> |
| 08:54.02 | Abhijit | ksk, the FAI needs to be running inisde a VPS which has a Centos OS. |
| 08:54.11 | Abhijit | ksk, how to install FAI in Centos. I cant find that. |
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| 08:55.16 | ksk | ah okay.. no Idea about that, better ask the fai-team. installing debian in that vps is not possible? |
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| 08:56.09 | Abhijit | ksk, no. |
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| 09:23.01 | xitami | hey peeps could use some help in installing a Sony Ericsson J100i :/ |
| 09:23.28 | xitami | using xhci_hcd but device not responding |
| 09:24.00 | xitami | what could the problem be ? |
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| 09:26.45 | pi_ | xitami: wow, that's an obscure device to install debian on |
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| 09:27.51 | xitami | no gonna install osmocon on it and the debian 7.7 wont find it :/ |
| 09:28.30 | xitami | and the cable that i got probably never even been used :/ |
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| 09:28.45 | pi_ | does it show up in lsusb? |
| 09:29.15 | xitami | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0c45:64e0 Microdia |
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| 09:31.10 | xitami | dmesg says [ 6175.326089] usb 3-4: new low-speed USB device number 44 using xhci_hcd |
| 09:31.13 | xitami | [ 6175.326652] usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address. |
| 09:31.15 | xitami | [ 6175.530264] usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address. |
| 09:31.18 | xitami | [ 6175.733539] usb 3-4: device not accepting address 44, error -71 |
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| 09:31.20 | xitami | [ 6175.733574] hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4 |
| 09:31.25 | heurist | !paste |
| 09:31.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:31.53 | pi_ | looks like some sort of driver error |
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| 09:32.16 | ChrisH | xitami: unplug the mobile. poweroff and poweron and retry. |
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| 09:32.44 | pi_ | can you find any info of what -71 error means? |
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| 09:34.04 | xitami | poweroff system or mobile ? |
| 09:34.15 | ChrisH | pi_: you will find this not accepting often with USB Hubs beeing completly messed up. I use one here and if I charge my mobile via this usb hub my keyboard looses contact and shows the same errors. |
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| 09:35.02 | ChrisH | xitami: If possible both, but minimum mobile and if any USB Hub is involved, also the USB hub completely (unplug ALL cables from it!) |
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| 09:35.50 | xitami | ok brb |
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| 09:38.56 | xitami | ChrisH no nothing :/ |
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| 09:52.01 | Ad1_RnR | hi |
| 09:52.35 | Ad1_RnR | i've got question, does anybody knows how to install Kimchi KVM WebManager? |
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| 09:53.03 | Ad1_RnR | i haven't found it in Debian 7.6.0 repo |
| 09:53.58 | Ad1_RnR | only GitHub repo i have found, it hasn't got any DEB package? |
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| 09:54.25 | pi_ | looks like you'll have to compile from source :( |
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| 09:54.55 | Tool_Fan | Why not just use Proxmox |
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| 09:55.44 | Ad1_RnR | Tool_Fan: is it KVM WebManager too? |
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| 09:56.24 | Ad1_RnR | oh i see :D |
| 09:56.32 | Tool_Fan | :) |
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| 09:58.35 | Ad1_RnR | Tool_Fan: Have you tested the Proxmox Manager? |
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| 09:58.47 | Tool_Fan | Use it everyday |
| 09:59.56 | Ad1_RnR | Great, i'm using virt-manager, but it haven't got Windows version ;) |
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| 10:01.52 | Ad1_RnR | omfg, Proxmox in ISO images only ... |
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| 10:03.14 | Tool_Fan | Sigh : http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Wheezy |
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| 10:04.15 | Ad1_RnR | Tool_Fan: Thx, i'll try :) |
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| 10:05.04 | Tool_Fan | Cool |
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| 10:07.07 | ChrisH | xitami: strange. lsusb shows the mobile? If yes, use the IDs shown there for a google research |
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| 10:12.07 | astr | os=trisquel7 (ubuntu based but I thought I would as here as someone might be more familiar with the textmode installer). when doing an encrypted full install. in the textmode installer, I used gilded partitioning. then I deleted the swap and root and recreated root. would this change have messed up the boot procure ? as I get grubs msgs of loading kernel linux but it then doesn't't progress any more. |
| 10:12.20 | astr | as=ask |
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| 10:12.39 | Ad1_RnR | hmm |
| 10:13.08 | Ad1_RnR | Tool_Fan: i have installed it, but i can't run it from browser using https://192.168.1.79:8006/ |
| 10:13.15 | Ad1_RnR | Page not found |
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| 10:14.24 | CQ | hello, I'm trying to sign a mail in thunderbird using enigmail with another key, but I can't see where to select the key to sign the mail with... any ideas? |
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| 10:14.33 | heurist | astr: not sure we can help, ubuntu has very little to do with debian anymore and ubuntu-based is even further away. |
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| 10:16.18 | CQ | nvm, found it... |
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| 10:23.04 | biggi_mat | Hello. Is there a place where changes to debian repositories can be seen? Thing is - one of my automatic builds is failing because of an obvius package version change. I’d like to track that somehow |
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| 10:24.52 | Tool_Fan | Are you running Debian Stable? |
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| 10:26.21 | biggi_mat | Tool_Fan: yes |
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| 10:43.19 | ws2k3 | Hello, i am having a very odd issue with my debian virtual machine tru SSH keyboard works fine but on the console i cant type the letter w for example w becomes a square |
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| 10:45.57 | threadlock | ws2k3: what kind of virtualization software do you use and that do you use to connect to the console? (some vnc software? perhaps try some other vnc software?) |
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| 10:47.15 | ws2k3 | just the vmware console |
| 10:47.39 | ws2k3 | but i already found it i installed console-data and runned a dpkg-reconfigure console-data and selected the right keyboard settings that solved it |
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| 10:48.13 | threadlock | kewl! |
| 10:49.42 | ws2k3 | only now i have the same issue on another vm and that one does not have ssh access |
| 10:49.52 | ws2k3 | is there a a way i can echo a Y maby ? |
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| 10:51.12 | threadlock | is there a [Y/n] question and just hitting return doesn't work? |
| 10:51.40 | ws2k3 | sweet that worked thank you |
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| 10:52.18 | threadlock | np |
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| 10:55.13 | ws2k3 | can i not with a command echo a ascii char somehow ? |
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| 10:56.37 | Walex | ws2k3: curious phrasing, give an example |
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| 10:57.43 | Kijaszek | just checking, ok, msg visible, no bugs, good weekend. |
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| 10:59.31 | cardiel | im searching for a software that i can use to centralize logging for my servers.. i've looked at fluentd and logstash but they seem to require pretty much ram+cpu to work properly.. are there any other more lightweight alternatives? |
| 10:59.57 | ws2k3 | cardiel what you exacly mean central logging? you mean like syslog or ? |
| 11:01.43 | cardiel | ws2k3, yes that the clients send their logfiles via rsyslog to the log server.. |
| 11:02.15 | cardiel | i also want a web interface to view the logfiles |
| 11:02.44 | ws2k3 | http://sourceforge.net/p/php-kiwi/wiki/Home/ |
| 11:03.00 | ws2k3 | a web interface for voewing syslogs |
| 11:03.04 | ws2k3 | viewing* |
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| 11:04.01 | cardiel | ws2k3, im looking for something more like kibana, but more lightweight |
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| 11:06.17 | repxxl | hello ... i'm in choosing the packages on the installation ... what the hell means "laptop" ? |
| 11:07.06 | ws2k3 | repxxl it means it will install packages which are handy when installing debian on a laptop think of wifi drivers and that kinda stuff |
| 11:07.30 | relaxed | power management too |
| 11:07.39 | repxxl | hmm k i using a laptop i gona check this |
| 11:07.49 | heurist | repxxl: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel will give you a place to start looking at what is included in each of those choices. |
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| 11:09.18 | repxxl | btw ... i should install all as root ? my pervious experience was allways on root .. |
| 11:09.31 | repxxl | when i will install some packages later like nginx etc. |
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| 11:12.28 | heurist | repxxl: apt-get install ... and aptitude install ... should be done as root. |
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| 11:15.22 | Kijaszek | repxxl: still there? |
| 11:15.36 | repxxl | yea |
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| 11:15.58 | Kijaszek | wanna better apt source for nginx and other stuff like php-fpm? |
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| 11:18.22 | Kijaszek | if yes, try dotdeb, they've got newer release, and got better stuff for nginx: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1025286 |
| 11:18.39 | Kijaszek | there is description for squeeze, but you can use it on wheezy as well |
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| 11:19.08 | repxxl | Kijaszek ye i need php-fpm , nginx ofc php also. |
| 11:19.22 | repxxl | sry php is php-fpm my mistake |
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| 11:19.56 | repxxl | Kijaszek dotdeb yea .. that rocks i used it in past. ty for mention me., |
| 11:20.20 | Kijaszek | php-fpm you can easly use on servers, where you have heavy load |
| 11:20.57 | Kijaszek | putting many www*n.conf should works fine. Of course, if you have nice xeon on board |
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| 11:26.47 | Kijaszek | I like dotdeb packages:) |
| 11:27.10 | Kijaszek | Btw, are you using MySQL? |
| 11:27.44 | repxxl | Kijaszek yep |
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| 11:28.21 | Kijaszek | Try use Percona or MariaDB |
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| 11:28.40 | Kijaszek | Im using percona at the moment |
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| 11:29.35 | Kijaszek | its "drop-in", it should works fine on you old database |
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| 11:30.16 | Kijaszek | percona and maria got better performance |
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| 11:32.15 | Kijaszek | here ya go: http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.5/installation/apt_repo.html |
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| 11:32.51 | cisco987 | http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/highly-scalable-mysql-compat-rds-db-engine/ |
| 11:34.41 | Kijaszek | ...or otherwise, you can use amazon ;) |
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| 11:36.15 | Kijaszek | im using percona and nginx on my cheap vps for microhosting. Its working fine, and much faster than classic apache+mysql |
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| 11:49.20 | ws2k3 | yeah nginx and mysql are good combination |
| 11:49.33 | ws2k3 | we currently run nginx php-fpm and mariadb 10 works realy great |
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| 11:50.07 | obsed | so jessie has feature freeze right |
| 11:50.39 | obsed | so if i want to build a PC with excellent hardware support under jessie, good to buy say a haswell system right now ? |
| 11:50.55 | obsed | or ivy bridge perhaps ? |
| 11:51.13 | obsed | i was thinking haswell cpu mainly for the highest perf intel iGPU |
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| 11:52.35 | tiemay | where can I download debian 8? |
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| 11:53.49 | Kijaszek | u meant unstable? |
| 11:53.50 | jelly-home | tiemay: nowhere, it's not out yet. |
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| 11:54.25 | Kijaszek | maybe around end of december :) |
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| 11:54.58 | relaxed | there's a beta installer for 8 |
| 11:55.12 | jelly-home | that's a beta _of_ the installer code. |
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| 11:55.19 | tiemay | where's that? |
| 11:55.23 | jelly-home | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 11:55.54 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 11:55.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 11:56.12 | jelly-home | ^^ right place to ask and help with getting the next release ready |
| 11:56.26 | jelly-home | get* help |
| 11:56.30 | tiemay | thanks greatly |
| 11:56.31 | relaxed | tiemay: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:31.19 | repxxl | installing apt-get -y install alsa-base solved problem |
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| 12:33.42 | EdePopede | is there a list somewhere about "when you really should/must restart your debian/logout completely (and when you don't have to)"? |
| 12:34.48 | ChrisH | EdePopede: could you give some examples? eg. I installed a new kernel and I need to reboot to activate it. |
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| 12:37.30 | EdePopede | ChrisH: yesterday i did update&&upgrade, iceweasle update while running. no problems. today i added myself to group sudo, that's reflected in login on tty, starting a loginshell via 'su -l $USER', but not in xterm (though started with '-ls' and login_shell in ON according to shopt). multiple variants of login shell? |
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| 12:41.15 | b431 | Hi, I've installed Plex, streaming/video appl. and it doesnt work so well. |
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| 12:41.41 | b431 | <b431> in the logs I can see that it does some http requests but it never gets any response back |
| 12:41.41 | b431 | <b431> and gets timeout basically |
| 12:41.41 | b431 | <b431> here is a part of the log: http://pastebin.com/j1dyPZUF |
| 12:42.11 | b431 | same version of plex works fine on elementary OS and windows. Behind the exact same router/network setup as the debian machine. |
| 12:42.18 | b431 | same version of plex aswell |
| 12:43.17 | b431 | the usecase is I am trying to add a new library and it tries to choose a language for it. |
| 12:43.43 | b431 | I don't know if there is something wrong with my locale settings |
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| 12:45.02 | b431 | tried in plex channel but its quiet there and it might not be related to plex.. |
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| 12:52.03 | drdom | Hi, I do have a problem with a "cron-like" job, that uses 100% CPU (for Apache) and leads to an apache instance, that is not usable for any further connection. I´m not able to locate the initiation of this "job" (no cron entry). Log files in Apache do not help. How to proceed? Thank you. |
| 12:53.21 | b431 | try another apache mpm? |
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| 12:54.33 | drdom | Apache is configured to run in mpm and I can see the other threads...but they don´t react/reply. |
| 12:54.39 | ChrisH | EdePopede: Your environment inside the DE gets inherited from the eg. gdm/kdm during the iniial login. If you make changes to a user env it can be needed to relogin. su - userid in your shell help quicker :) |
| 12:54.40 | EdePopede | drdom: did you check at and anacron? |
| 12:55.15 | drdom | EdePopede: yes I did, no entry. |
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| 12:56.26 | EdePopede | drdom: i remember i had a similar question, don't remember what job atm. but having htop open helped me find out the starting process. |
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| 12:59.15 | EdePopede | ChrisH: ok, but why the difference between 'xterm -ls' and 'su -l $USER'? and is there a safe way to find out ehm... where the shell came from? could i possibly start comparing entries in both /proc/$$ ? |
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| 13:03.19 | ChrisH | EdePopede: the difference is the term login shell. A login shell (like su - user) check man su and search for the - at the beginning. Next check is ps -efl and look for eg. bash bash is no-login shell and -bash is a login shell |
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| 13:09.41 | EdePopede | ChrisH: i did 'ps -efl | grep bash' and the bash of a newly opened xterm does start with - ... what i also would expect due to the -ls option to xterm. but still no sudo in $(groups) |
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| 13:13.45 | ChrisH | EdePopede: I honestly would restart by DE and stop searching.... but an intersting point |
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| 13:19.57 | EdePopede | ChrisH: any idea how it SHOULD (as per rfc 2119 iirc (SVNR)) be? i would assume consistence but i don't see it here (or i'm missing something). |
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| 13:20.54 | rgammans_ | My initrams isn't initialising mmy rootfs correctly - it's not including the lvm bits . |
| 13:21.38 | rgammans_ | i think it is a bug , becuase my root fs is btrfs wiht devid 1 == /dev/sda1, and devid 2 on lvm |
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| 13:33.04 | ChrisH | EdePopede: It might be something caching like nscd (not sure about the debian name) involved. But I do not want to spend time on this. if I need sudo/group changes beeing active now, I know how to force it like su - |
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| 13:35.02 | EdePopede | i have a root shell xterm open (better: root shell in xterm), may be practical here and there... but i wanted to follow some logs in tmux and not open another one. (and yes, i didn't really use sudo up to now, iirc i found it anoying on those ubuntu live CDs) |
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| 13:50.07 | EdePopede | just seen irmp3: http://www.rossaxe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/unix/irmp3-ncurses/ -- does https://packages.debian.org/sid/irmp3 just tell me that it is in squeeze and will be in jessie, but not in wheezy? |
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| 13:53.08 | ChrisH | ,v irmp3 |
| 13:53.09 | judd | Package: irmp3 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.7pre2-1.4 |
| 13:53.59 | ChrisH | EdePopede: check the architecure for https://packages.debian.org/sid/irmp3 m68k |
| 13:54.03 | EdePopede | oh, dpkg just told me <dpkg> i dunno what is 'irmp3'. -- tried "tell me about" and it worked with 'mc' as an example |
| 13:54.08 | EdePopede | aye |
| 13:54.26 | EdePopede | moer power needed i suppose? |
| 13:55.05 | alexwh | hey there. is there any chance of seeing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734467 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718624 fixed in time for jessie? |
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| 13:55.38 | Abhijit | while netbooting, i get error that mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy) after my netboot does wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 13:56.02 | Abhijit | if run that command in my laptop it returns suite stable and codename wheezy. |
| 13:56.03 | Abhijit | help. |
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| 14:02.43 | oskie | helo, how do you 'apt-get upgrade' only certain packages, without marking them as being "automatically installed" (a la apt-mark auto)? |
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| 14:05.39 | ksk | oskie: apt-get install $package - will upgrade the package if its already installed an a new version is available |
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| 14:08.01 | oskie | ksk: yeah but it also does 'apt-mark auto $package' which means that the package won't be autoremoved on apt-get autoremove if no longer needed |
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| 14:20.57 | Zerock | I'm trying to use postfix as a sendmail implementation so that I can report bugs, but it's looking like my ISP blocks port 25. How can I set up postfix to send mail through a remote server (mail.gandi.net) so that I can report package bugs from the CLI? |
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| 14:22.12 | Kijaszek | you can't |
| 14:24.19 | Zerock | ... |
| 14:24.51 | Zerock | Can't I go through a different port? mail.gandi.net accepts SSL/TLS traffic through port 993. |
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| 14:25.11 | Zerock | I can connect to mail.gandi.net on port 993 via telnet. |
| 14:25.24 | Zerock | But on port 25, there's nothing, because ISP. |
| 14:25.26 | Zerock | :( |
| 14:25.32 | SupaYoshi | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Networking |
| 14:25.33 | Kijaszek | yea, but this is for mail client |
| 14:25.37 | SupaYoshi | will this work on debian? Under TAP/TUN device? |
| 14:25.42 | SupaYoshi | Or is there a better way to do this? |
| 14:25.53 | Kijaszek | if you make tunnel, it will be working... |
| 14:25.53 | damo22 | i just did a clean install of jessie to a USB hdd, and i tried "linux /vmlinuz console=ttyS0,115200 init=/bin/sh" but i dont get the prompt spawned over serial console |
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| 14:26.07 | Kijaszek | you can also try to iptables redirect |
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| 14:26.10 | SupaYoshi | I'm trying to create a bridge device for qemu to use so it can accesss my normal network devices etc. |
| 14:26.11 | Kijaszek | od redir app |
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| 14:26.40 | SupaYoshi | Kijaszek |
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| 14:26.49 | Kijaszek | sup |
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| 14:28.31 | SupaYoshi | What is your advise? |
| 14:28.43 | SupaYoshi | Should i create a tap/tun device or use iptables? |
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| 14:28.57 | SupaYoshi | Im not so good at configging this |
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| 14:33.42 | Kijaszek | h,, |
| 14:33.43 | Kijaszek | hmm |
| 14:34.00 | SupaYoshi | https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
| 14:34.00 | SupaYoshi | I read this |
| 14:34.00 | Kijaszek | by iptables I think |
| 14:34.09 | SupaYoshi | and its talking about eth01 |
| 14:34.11 | SupaYoshi | but im using wlan0 |
| 14:34.16 | SupaYoshi | *eth0 |
| 14:34.20 | Kijaszek | my iptables advice was for postfix :D |
| 14:34.29 | Kijaszek | im now reading your issue |
| 14:34.38 | Kijaszek | to Zerock |
| 14:34.50 | Kijaszek | never use qemu |
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| 14:36.37 | ruukasu | is there any way to effectively dist-downgrade (use new repos I added regardless of which versions are currently installed |
| 14:36.41 | ruukasu | ) |
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| 14:37.26 | Aut0Exec | hi whats the best way you guys keep your date/time synced? |
| 14:37.31 | Aut0Exec | ^ dumb question alert |
| 14:37.50 | Aut0Exec | please dont stone me |
| 14:38.05 | ruukasu | NTPD |
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| 14:38.11 | Aut0Exec | ah ok |
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| 14:38.37 | Aut0Exec | ruukasu: https://wiki.debian.org/NTP ? |
| 14:38.45 | Aut0Exec | use this yes? |
| 14:38.51 | Aut0Exec | dat google |
| 14:38.53 | Aut0Exec | :) |
| 14:39.11 | ruukasu | yes, I believe so |
| 14:39.22 | ruukasu | yes |
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| 14:42.35 | Zerock | ntpd is one of the simplest packages to set up. |
| 14:42.47 | Zerock | Install. Start service. |
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| 14:46.37 | Aut0Exec | Zerock: aewsome |
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| 14:46.46 | Aut0Exec | awesome* even |
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| 14:47.33 | TaZeR | hey is it true debian stable should be used for servers but for everyday use debian testing? |
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| 14:48.21 | jelly-home | TaZeR: only if you don't care about breakage or security fixes in your everyday use. |
| 14:48.43 | TaZeR | i thought testing gets all the security updates too? |
| 14:48.56 | nkuttler | !tell TaZeR about testing security |
| 14:49.23 | Zerock | TaZeR: Stable is good for everyday use if you care about security and don't need the newest everything. You can install newer packages only for the things you need. I use Unstable for my system, but I switched from Arch. I need that rolling experience in my life. |
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| 14:50.10 | TaZeR | ok thanks ill think on it |
| 14:50.11 | nkuttler | TaZeR: basically, if you need your box for work, use stable |
| 14:50.21 | Zerock | Most people I talk to say that testing shouldn't be used for your main machine unless you know what you're signing up for. I most often see people recommend Stable or Unstable, depending on how you like to run your system. |
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| 14:50.50 | nkuttler | imo testing gives you the worst of both stable/unstable |
| 14:50.57 | Zerock | ^ |
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| 14:51.26 | Zerock | Use testing on a machine where you want to help the Debian maintainers get Jessie ready to go, as the name implies. Don't rely on it. |
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| 14:52.27 | TaZeR | unstable is more unstable than testing right? |
| 14:53.11 | nkuttler | TaZeR: obviously |
| 14:53.14 | TaZeR | i would like to have it rolling release style if possiblem, which one for that? |
| 14:53.41 | Zerock | TaZeR: Technically, stable is rolling; it just rolls slowly. |
| 14:53.57 | Zerock | TaZeR: If you want a more Arch-style rolling, then Unstable. |
| 14:54.07 | nkuttler | TaZeR: get familiar with debian first, before you install something other than stable |
| 14:54.13 | Zerock | apt-listbugs will be your friend. |
| 14:54.16 | TaZeR | im familiar with ubuntu |
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| 14:54.30 | TaZeR | but my friends started making fun of me and told me to use debian |
| 14:54.40 | Zerock | TaZeR: As someone who uses Debian and Trisquel, let me tell you that Debian will be a strange new beast. |
| 14:54.41 | nkuttler | TaZeR: how familiar? can you fix dependency + package breakage? install scripts etc? |
| 14:54.42 | mibofra | Guys, can someone says to me if there is an indicator/applet for the keys like maiusc e co? |
| 14:55.03 | mibofra | *usable on a debian wheezy |
| 14:55.23 | TaZeR | i can fix packages broken stuff yea, not sure what kinda scripts u mean? |
| 14:55.31 | nkuttler | TaZeR: pre/postinst etc |
| 14:55.56 | TaZeR | probably not since i dont know what that means |
| 14:56.22 | nkuttler | TaZeR: oh well, if you don't mind a little breakage and want to learn, jessie is frozen right now.. which is not a bad time to start with testing |
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| 14:57.11 | Zerock | TaZeR: Then stable for a machine you rely on. Don't use anything but stable unless you're prepared to repair your system (and ultimately abandon other tasks to do so) if an update prevents you from working. |
| 14:57.42 | TaZeR | ubuntu is based on debian unstable though right? and i havnt had problems |
| 14:57.48 | Zerock | Alternatively... dual boot with a persistent /home partition? |
| 14:58.08 | mibofra | TaZeR, ubuntu is far from debian now |
| 14:58.10 | Zerock | TaZeR: Ubuntu is based on testing, I believe, but Canonical does a lot to their own repos. |
| 14:58.18 | TaZeR | oh i see |
| 14:58.38 | mibofra | But guys, any ideas on the applet :D ? |
| 14:58.46 | mibofra | *ah I'm on mate |
| 14:59.01 | TaZeR | i think ill try testing, if it has the same packs as ubuntu i need them to be newish |
| 14:59.11 | Zerock | It's not the same. |
| 14:59.29 | TaZeR | simular versions i mean, not too old |
| 14:59.38 | TaZeR | for example i need latest reaver, aircrack-ng |
| 14:59.45 | Zerock | Like I said. |
| 14:59.58 | Zerock | I'd use testing and download the packages you need newer versions of separately. |
| 15:00.03 | Zerock | Not testing... |
| 15:00.04 | Zerock | stable |
| 15:00.06 | Zerock | Sorry. |
| 15:00.13 | mibofra | uhm Tabmow you need pentesting tools? |
| 15:00.34 | mibofra | *sorry Tabmow I mean TaZeR |
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| 15:00.36 | TaZeR | ok thanks |
| 15:00.38 | Zerock | Okay, leaving for class. |
| 15:00.46 | TaZeR | yea mibofra, i like playing around with my routers and styuff |
| 15:01.08 | mibofra | waits here for the answer |
| 15:01.27 | mibofra | TaZeR, well, why not use a pentesting distro? |
| 15:02.02 | TaZeR | they provide too many tools at once i like a more barebones system and add the packages i need as i learn of them and how to use them |
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| 15:03.31 | lyonsb | As I understand it, using Kali would ease a lot of the set up of aircrack-ng/reaver. |
| 15:03.51 | mibofra | TaZeR, ok but maybe use one of them is the simplest way to get a a working so and tools |
| 15:04.27 | mibofra | I'm part of the dev team of a penetration testing distro based on debian wheezy |
| 15:04.39 | TaZeR | there too bloated to me i wanna build it myself from a smaller base like ubuntu or debian |
| 15:04.50 | TaZeR | i get a good feeling of owning my os then |
| 15:04.55 | lyonsb | tazer, what you're saying is that you'd like to spend many hours doing work that someone else has already done. |
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| 15:05.20 | TaZeR | basically except its fun to me not work |
| 15:05.26 | lyonsb | tazer, and can offer you, without charge. |
| 15:05.40 | mibofra | TaZeR, maybe you can try to add the repos for installing the tools and after delete the repos from the list |
| 15:06.10 | TaZeR | ok thanks ill try them all in vm and see wich one i like best |
| 15:06.12 | lyonsb | tazer, huh, that's confusing. Fun and work are usually orthogonal or parallel in my experience. |
| 15:07.30 | jelly-home | lyonsb: then you're doing wrong kind of work |
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| 15:08.43 | lyonsb | Haha, yeah I am very fortunate that fun and work are unified for me. |
| 15:08.59 | lyonsb | and non-oppositional. |
| 15:09.07 | Aut0Exec | oh wow... ntp is literally no configuration... just install and done |
| 15:09.11 | Aut0Exec | :) |
| 15:09.13 | Aut0Exec | sweet |
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| 15:18.55 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 15:19.44 | Extensa5630G | dury: Greetings. |
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| 15:22.01 | dury | my xscreensaver doesn't startup... gessss I did my best believe me, red the documentation... and I didn't setup properly. can anyone help me to solve it please |
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| 15:22.55 | ksk | dury: you start xscreensaver with your DM, and type "xscreensaver -command-lock" to lock your screen. what problems do you encounter? |
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| 15:23.14 | ksk | .. or something like that, see manpage for the exact command :) |
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| 15:23.34 | dury | Extensa5630G, hi |
| 15:23.55 | jasonwc | Anyone here use brtfs? |
| 15:24.08 | jasonwc | #btrfs |
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| 15:25.49 | petn-randall | !tell jasonwc about anyone |
| 15:25.55 | dury | ksk, DM stands for? |
| 15:26.09 | jasonwc | lol |
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| 15:26.44 | jasonwc | ah, sorry about that |
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| 15:26.54 | petn-randall | dury: He probably means DE, desktop environment. |
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| 15:27.26 | petn-randall | jasonwc: Short answer: yes. But I'm guessing you have a follow-up question, which you should ask straight away :) |
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| 15:28.04 | jasonwc | I wanted to know if it is advisable to convert an ext3 root FS to brtfs so that I can add a new drive, convert to RAID1, and rebalance |
| 15:28.09 | ksk | dury: what petn-randall says :) like in your gnome startup or what that may be called |
| 15:28.12 | jasonwc | the howto says it's possible but I'm not sure it's a good idea |
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| 15:28.45 | petn-randall | jasonwc: btrfs is not production-ready, especially not in wheezy, so I recommend using something else. |
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| 15:29.28 | jasonwc | Yeah, I probably should just stick with mdadm |
| 15:29.37 | dury | after typing xscreensaver -command-lock I got xscreensaver: 16:27:44: unknown option "-command-lock". Try "-help" |
| 15:29.59 | jasonwc | I use ZFS for my main pool and would at least be familiar with the userland tools but the module isn't built into the kernel creating headaches for running as root |
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| 15:30.36 | dury | my desktop environment it's mate |
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| 15:32.08 | dury | ksk, I'm lost... gessss |
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| 15:33.28 | dury | would you please exactly what to type in order to solve this matter |
| 15:35.13 | dury | my gnome startup... |
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| 15:36.23 | dury | what should I check in my gnome startup? |
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| 15:37.28 | drizzt | hi guys ! |
| 15:37.43 | drizzt | any debian-embedded specific channel ? |
| 15:37.43 | dury | hi drizzt |
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| 15:40.35 | dury | petn-randall, would you please drive me what I want to get |
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| 15:43.56 | dury | ksk, how do I perform... about it? |
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| 15:50.17 | ksk | dury: im not familiar with desktop linuxes, so know, i dont know where to put what |
| 15:51.25 | ksk | open up google "how to autostart app in $linux-desktop" or "how to make xscreenserver work/start in $linux-desktop" should not be that hard |
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| 15:56.46 | dury | ksk, really appreciate your suggestions, see what I can do ... I will try my best |
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| 15:59.38 | ksk | dury: be aware that you understand what a command does you copy from the $internet as you can easily loose your data if you do stuff on a rootshell ;) (wich should not be necessary in this case, just a general advice..) |
| 16:00.04 | ksk | eh, ofc you can delete all your users data in a users-shell, too ;) |
| 16:00.56 | jelly-home | !emdebian |
| 16:00.56 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:01.02 | jelly-home | drizzt: ^^ possibly |
| 16:01.42 | drizzt | jelly-home: thanks |
| 16:02.33 | paulwa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.35 | petn-randall | jasonwc: IMO, mdadm + LVM is good enough for most purposes. If you have special needs, you could look at btrfs, at the cost of possible data corruption and other quirks that btrfs might still have. I see the benefits, but it not being deployed widely makes it a bit risky to use in production yet. |
| 16:02.43 | paulwa | just i got the mount working but it's showing as read only |
| 16:03.38 | petn-randall | dury: So ... did you try '-help'? |
| 16:03.47 | jasonwc | petn-randall, I love having ZFS for my 40TB data pool. Snapshots every 15 min, hour, and day. Checksumming already caught a defective SAS card. Really a wonderful FS, but for root, it's a lot of hassle\ |
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| 16:05.58 | petn-randall | jasonwc: Indeed. |
| 16:06.17 | dury | petn-randall, where '-help'? typing 'xscreensaver -help' in terminal you mean? |
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| 16:07.18 | ChrisH | jasonwc: Given your expierience, would _you_ consider ZFS/Linux production ready? (I know ZFS on Solaris well.) |
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| 16:07.50 | petn-randall | dury: Yes. |
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| 16:09.37 | jasonwc | Chris7mas, A better place to ask that question would be #zfsonlinux. I would say yes. It is incredibly easy to work with, very well documented, and error codes are meangful and link to a web page with more information. Given my experience with the need to resilver, then getting checksum errors due to a bad SAS card etc., I can say that ZFS handled the issues well. It either corrected the checksums, or in one case, said it c |
| 16:09.38 | jasonwc | ouldn't correct the file, told me the file name, and I restored from backup. It will never pass corrupt data. |
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| 16:10.17 | jasonwc | Chris7mas, the people on #zfsonlinux are very knowledgable and willing to help. There are a number of good howtos and the Oracle docs for ZFS can be used as it's all the same. |
| 16:10.38 | jasonwc | It's probably the best documented package I've used on Linux and the most straightforward |
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| 16:11.40 | Tintle | Can someone give op to me? |
| 16:12.25 | Tintle | jelly-home |
| 16:12.28 | Tintle | give me op |
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| 16:13.34 | ChrisH | jasonwc: I only wanted to know your feeling on ZFS/Linux. |
| 16:13.39 | jelly-home | Tintle: that will not happen. Move this discussion elsewhere, please. |
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| 16:13.53 | Tintle | Why I don't get ops? |
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| 16:15.10 | jasonwc | ChrisH, I'm using the debian packages maintained by one of the ZFS devs. It's 2 lines to have ZFS installed. Test it out in a VM. |
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| 16:15.48 | ChrisH | jasonwc: I read it that way: You are happy with it. |
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| 16:16.04 | jasonwc | yeah, I am |
| 16:16.28 | jasonwc | Given my experience with silent data corruption, I'm glad I went with ZFS over mdadm |
| 16:16.31 | lv_ | where cani download embedian ? the website is down - |
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| 16:16.53 | jasonwc | While I dont know how common it is, the problem would not have been revealed without checksumming. The drives had no read or write errors as the SAS controller was corrupting the data. |
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| 16:18.04 | ChrisH | jasonwc: that tends to mix up everything or if you are lucky it simply panics the box |
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| 16:18.29 | jasonwc | no, i had no warning |
| 16:18.40 | jasonwc | i discovered the issue when I replaced one of the disks |
| 16:18.49 | jasonwc | (it didn't fail - i just was using a temporary one) |
| 16:18.56 | ChrisH | then fsck -f 40TB of small files during bootup and explain the customer to start the webshop next week again |
| 16:18.57 | dury | petn-randall, did typed what you suggest me... I've typed 'xscreensaver-demo' xscreensaver lanched saying: 'The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0". Launch it now?' |
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| 16:19.01 | jasonwc | and it hit a bunch of checksum errors it corrected as well as 2 it could not correct on one file |
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| 16:19.20 | jasonwc | yeah, scrubs are online and low priority |
| 16:19.43 | jasonwc | every read is checksummed so you know data is bad the second you try to read it, and it's usually silently corrected. I have ZFS send me an email for every checksum error. |
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| 16:19.59 | jasonwc | A scrub will read every single block including parity and metadata |
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| 16:20.29 | jasonwc | took about 16 hours for 23TB |
| 16:20.43 | dury | petn-randall, in my opinion it doesn't startup by itself... that's the point... how can? |
| 16:20.44 | jasonwc | but it means my data is confirmed valid |
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| 16:24.44 | ilhami | what did he do? |
| 16:24.48 | ilhami | what did Tintle do? |
| 16:25.10 | ilhami | or whatever his nick is |
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| 16:27.14 | BadApe | why would fsck hang while checking during boot? |
| 16:27.38 | BadApe | could it be a hardware failure? |
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| 16:32.03 | ChrisH | BadApe: define hang. fsck with millions of small files will take looooooong time |
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| 16:36.25 | An_Ony_Moose | Is there a particular reason that codeblocks is in wheezy, wheezy-backports and sid but not jessie? |
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| 16:37.18 | jelly-home | !why is codeblocks not in testing |
| 16:37.18 | dpkg | codeblocks is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=codeblocks |
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| 16:37.45 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: probably RC bugs present |
| 16:37.59 | BadApe | ChrisH: it gets to 6.8% and stops, i gave up at 30 mins |
| 16:38.08 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 16:39.13 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: you can also ask in private, /msg dpkg why is SOMETHING not in testing |
| 16:39.25 | dury | jelly-home, can you assist? |
| 16:39.55 | ChrisH | BadApe: could be a faulty disk or it simply take a very long time. Backup at hand? |
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| 16:40.16 | BadApe | ChrisH: yeah i have backups |
| 16:40.29 | jelly-home | dury: I'm really bad at sports. |
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| 16:40.38 | BadApe | i managed to get a good backup, rebooted and now it is stuck |
| 16:41.45 | dury | jelly-home, me too... hahaha :-) never mind |
| 16:42.07 | ChrisH | BadApe: you could boot from an other media or boot single user mode and coment the filesystem from fstab. reboot and check the disk with dd-read or run the fsck from a booted box. depends all on the pain if the box/filesystem is not there |
| 16:42.22 | BadApe | ChrisH: i already tried a rescue cd |
| 16:42.33 | BadApe | no error message it just stops |
| 16:42.44 | BadApe | maybe i need some extra verbosity |
| 16:42.59 | ChrisH | nothing in dmesg visible? in case its the disk HW you should see stuff |
| 16:43.27 | BadApe | ChrisH: it is not critical system, it is just a vm host for my toys |
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| 16:44.02 | BadApe | i was debating about just wiping and starting again rather than spending time fixing |
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| 16:45.12 | ChrisH | BadApe: I understood its a VM-Host. Anyhow from the rescue system run dd if=/dev/XXX of=/dev/null bs=1m to read the disk partion, given there is some HW issue that should bring it up. |
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| 16:45.41 | BadApe | ChrisH: good idea, will give it ago |
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| 16:53.13 | Kingsy | can I get firefox developer edition in debian@? |
| 16:53.29 | abrotman | mozilla.debian.net perhaps |
| 16:53.57 | Kingsy | that seems to just be iceweasel icedove and iceape |
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| 16:54.51 | vangelo | Hi |
| 16:54.56 | vangelo | how are you doing? |
| 16:55.30 | Kingsy | looks like you have to build it from source. |
| 16:55.35 | Kingsy | what a shame there isnt a .deb |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly-home | Kingsy: the thing is a few days old, if you want a .deb, make one |
| 16:56.24 | Kingsy | ohhh sorry I didnt know it was that new |
| 16:56.30 | Kingsy | wow awesome |
| 16:56.34 | Kingsy | it looks pretty cool |
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| 16:57.19 | dury | Kingsy, add deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release in your source.list |
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| 16:58.14 | dury | Kingsy, then key public |
| 16:58.38 | dury | Kingsy, then apt-get update |
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| 16:59.27 | dury | Kingsy, then.... one sec please |
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| 17:00.40 | JordiGH | I forget, how do I expand a source package from .dsc and the tarballs? |
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| 17:01.11 | Kingsy | dury: done |
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| 17:01.37 | JordiGH | dpkg-source -x |
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| 17:01.46 | dury | Kingsy, then.... 'apt-get install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel' |
| 17:02.14 | Kingsy | that installs the developer edition? |
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| 17:02.25 | Kingsy | isnt it a seperate package to iceweasel ? |
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| 17:04.15 | centrx | Kingsy, no it won't, only the release/stable version is in the Debian repo |
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| 17:04.17 | centrx | Kingsy, but here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 17:05.21 | dury | Kingsy, u will get the latest release for iceweasel the same as firefox |
| 17:05.51 | dury | which is 33.1 |
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| 17:10.05 | bael | how do I allow all trafic on localhost with iptables? |
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| 17:10.23 | bael | somehow traffic is being blocked locally? I have not done anything |
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| 17:10.57 | bael | Nov 14, 2014 18:06:42 [0xaa3f7b70] DEBUG - Simulating 408 after curl timeout |
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| 17:12.12 | hikenboot | can anyone tell me how i can tell linux to move a lvm logical volume 1GB to the right as you would see it on the hard drive...so that I can make more room for /boot volume I would have to move both the first logical volume to right (space exists afterward) and then move the lvm physical volume to the right I havent come across any wiki on how to do this...thanks |
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| 17:15.11 | dury | geeesss have to go, my xscreensaver doesn't startup by itself yet :-( anyway.... cheerss all...be back later... take care all |
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| 17:20.01 | frostschutz | hikenboot, I don't think the LVM tools offer an easy way to do this, but you could try asking in #lvm. |
| 17:20.37 | ChrisH | hikenboot: with grub2 /boot can be inside LVM |
| 17:20.48 | frostschutz | hikenboot, why do you need 1GB for /boot anyway |
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| 17:21.27 | hikenboot | no that was just an example ...I dont need that much infact i only need about 10MB more...cant remove any more kernels |
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| 17:23.43 | hikenboot | is there some sort of live cd that helps making this sort of operation easier?...I am almost there moving lvm volumes around just one more step to make this work |
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| 17:26.17 | hikenboot | the only thing i can think of myself is to create another volume group and create another volume and move the volume then rename it after deleting it |
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| 17:27.43 | frostschutz | hikenboot, you can pvmove the extents at the beginning of the pv (might need alloc anywhere policy), then vgcfgbackup, then move the partition beginning by the number of extents you freed, then edit the config to adapt all extent numbers minus the amount you moved, then vgcfgrestore the modified cfg to the new partition. but you're facing complete data loss if you do not understand how lvm organizes |
| 17:27.43 | frostschutz | its data |
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| 17:28.22 | frostschutz | or you can shrink the pv and then move the partition in its entirety, but that's require all data to be moved, not just a few extents |
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| 17:28.41 | hikenboot | only fortunate thing is this is virtualized so i took a san snapshot |
| 17:28.52 | frostschutz | hikenboot, ask #lvm |
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| 17:28.55 | hikenboot | not sure why it was chosen to use lvm |
| 17:29.01 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
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| 17:31.08 | nothingstar | morpheus is home |
| 17:31.10 | nothingstar | in gaia |
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| 17:33.15 | Ontological | I'm having an issue where I have a server which can upload at 35MB/s. I am on a 50/50 line at my current locations and very often get those speeds (from other servers). I can only acheive 1MB/s from my current location. I have, using other machines in different locations, been able to achieve much greater speeds than 1MB/s. I'm having a hard time troubleshooting, as I have very little latency between my current location and the server. |
| 17:33.36 | Ontological | I am using debian as a gateway. I don't see any iptable rules to limit speed/bursts or anything. |
| 17:34.08 | nothingstar | i am morpheus nothingstar |
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| 17:35.19 | centrx | Ontological, Just slower connection speeds? |
| 17:35.43 | Ergo | speed |
| 17:35.46 | Ergo | is go |
| 17:35.46 | Ontological | Yes. But it seems that it's SCP specifically. I'll try downloading a file over HTTP and see, centrx |
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| 17:37.10 | Ontological | centrx: I still seem limited on HTTP |
| 17:37.29 | Ontological | So, centrx, the problem is that this server is fast for everybody, except me. My internet is fast for every server, but this server >_< |
| 17:37.33 | Ontological | centrx: I'm very confused |
| 17:38.22 | centrx | traceroute might show something? |
| 17:38.35 | centrx | Maybe your packets are being sent to the comet probe and back |
| 17:38.39 | Ontological | centrx: Like I said, I have very low latency and near-zero packet loss |
| 17:38.43 | Ontological | >_< |
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| 17:52.20 | astings | hello friends |
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| 17:52.37 | astings | 0 ad not run in fedora 20 |
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| 17:54.17 | astings | what is the solution |
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| 17:57.37 | centrx | !offtopic |
| 17:57.37 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:57.55 | astings | 0 ad not run in fedora 20 |
| 17:58.00 | astings | heisenbug |
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| 18:05.07 | xtraeme | hey |
| 18:05.17 | xtraeme | where can I submit a patch for shadow? |
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| 18:07.11 | centrx | xtraeme, dpkg -S will show you the package it is part of |
| 18:07.17 | xtraeme | I don't use debian |
| 18:07.56 | xtraeme | I do use my own distro: http://www.voidlinux.eu |
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| 18:08.13 | xtraeme | I had to patch it to support cross compilation |
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| 18:09.01 | xtraeme | can anyone point me at a git repo for shadow and ml to submit it? |
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| 18:10.07 | centrx | xtraeme, I have been looking around and I am getting the impression there is no upstream for it, that it is maintained per distro |
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| 18:10.47 | xtraeme | centrx: seriously? |
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| 18:11.22 | centrx | xtraeme, or maybe Debian is the upstream, it looks like Fedora is using Debian as shadow upstream |
| 18:11.31 | centrx | xtraeme, Here is the homepage for it: http://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:11.49 | xtraeme | thanks |
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| 18:14.03 | jhutchins | ,maint shadow |
| 18:14.05 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
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| 18:17.14 | r3za | hi all |
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| 18:20.06 | r3za | i want to use openconnect client on debian, but when i want to connect i get "XML response has no "auth" root node" error, does any body can help me? tnx |
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| 18:27.34 | agd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.39 | centrx | agd, See what kind of file it is with "file critter" |
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| 18:29.13 | agd | critter-16a-32bit: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15 |
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| 18:29.30 | agd | centrx; see above |
| 18:29.56 | centrx | agd, Okay so that looks like an executable file, you can run it with ./critter |
| 18:30.10 | centrx | agd, You may need to tell the filesystem that it is executable with: chmod +x critter |
| 18:30.22 | nullbyte_ | jessie will be released when? |
| 18:30.28 | centrx | agd, Be careful though, if you are installing software it is best to use a Debian package |
| 18:30.31 | nullbyte_ | debian 8.0 |
| 18:30.43 | centrx | agd, And if you are running something downloaded from the Internet, it could be a security risk |
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| 18:31.16 | agd | centrx; alright pal, im not that stupid |
| 18:31.21 | centrx | nullbyte_, Jessie was frozen on Nov 5, so most likely 6-8 months after that |
| 18:31.35 | nullbyte_ | lol :) |
| 18:31.39 | nullbyte_ | understanding |
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| 18:31.58 | centrx | nullbyte_, but it looks like it will be on the shorter side I suspect, looks like a good release process going on |
| 18:32.14 | nullbyte_ | centrx sure |
| 18:32.18 | centrx | without big hold-ups and they've said they want to release relatively quickly |
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| 18:32.31 | dontknow | there is something i don't get it. debian only have main repo by default, on the other hand ubuntu has main and universe repos. although its universe repos contain packages what debian has them in main. but ubuntu says they don't support universe packages. but debian supports all packages in main repos? wtf |
| 18:32.34 | nullbyte_ | yep you are right |
| 18:33.15 | centrx | dontknow, Debian releases and maintains official support for more packages than probably any other distribution |
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| 18:33.46 | centrx | dontknow, Ubuntu has made the decision to have a smaller set of "main"/core packages that get the most technical attention and support |
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| 18:34.46 | marioxcc | hello |
| 18:34.52 | marioxcc | what's the proper way to set a custom library path? |
| 18:35.43 | dontknow | centrx, they don't take debian updates for packages in their universe repos? |
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| 18:36.32 | centrx | dontknow, I'm not sure about their update policy. Ubuntu releases are based on roughly Debian testing at the time of the Ubuntu release |
| 18:36.54 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or put it into /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 18:37.22 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: but in general, you shouldn't need to. Install libraries into the correct locations |
| 18:37.41 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 18:39.32 | dontknow | centrx, debian is more reliable for regular users if they don't take responsibility for their universe packages which most of them are actually softwares that regular user would use |
| 18:40.06 | dontknow | then |
| 18:41.03 | centrx | dontknow, probably |
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| 18:41.57 | centrx | dontknow, The "Ubuntu community" for updating universe might do frequent/security updates well, but it sounds like there's no expert "Security Team" as for the Debian main and the Ubuntu main |
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| 18:44.19 | BLOW78 | CIAO |
| 18:44.22 | BLOW78 | !LIST |
| 18:44.23 | dpkg | blow78: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 18:44.44 | jelly-home | dontknow: since they base off their releases from testing or unstable at a point in time, there are no security updates to get from debian for that point, at all |
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| 18:46.06 | b43156 | how do I disable debian iptables firewall? |
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| 18:46.29 | dondelelcaro | b43156: there isn't one installed by default. |
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| 18:47.26 | cra1g321 | on the topic of firewalls, what's a good tool to use for a jessie desktop ? |
| 18:47.27 | b43156 | when I do iptables -L it works. Or you mean there is no settings configured? |
| 18:47.40 | dondelelcaro | cra1g321: I'm a fan of ferm, myself. |
| 18:47.57 | dondelelcaro | b43156: iptables might be installed, but there aren't any rules configured by default. |
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| 18:48.07 | dondelelcaro | b43156: we do have quite a few packages which can be used to configure a firewall, though. |
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| 18:49.38 | b43156 | dondelelcaro, I've installed plex and when I start the daemon it doesnt get any responds on it's requests. Something is blocking it, the requests are done to the local network only. |
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| 18:49.43 | b43156 | ov 14, 2014 19:41:57 [0xb3823b70] WARN - We didn't receive any data from 192.168.1.3:43108 in time, dropping connection. |
| 18:49.44 | b43156 | Nov 14, 2014 19:42:00 [0xabb79b70] ERROR - Error issuing curl_easy_perform(handle): 28 |
| 18:49.44 | b43156 | Nov 14, 2014 19:42:00 [0xabb79b70] WARN - Error issuing request to: http://127.0.0.1:43274/system/agents (28, Timeout was reached) (Connection timed out after 30030 milliseconds) |
| 18:49.44 | b43156 | Nov 14, 2014 19:42:00 [0xabb79b70] DEBUG - Simulating 408 after curl timeout |
| 18:49.44 | b43156 | Nov 14, 2014 19:42:00 [0xabb79b70] DEBUG - [com.plexapp.system] HTTP reply status 408, with 0 bytes of content. |
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| 18:50.08 | b43156 | sry :) |
| 18:50.20 | cra1g321 | i've always just quickly used gufw, never really looked into anything else |
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| 18:57.56 | Ghostly | hello, i am new to ubuntu 14.04 and decided to use the Gnome 3 shell because i prefer the looks. But for some reason flash videos will only fullscreen once as long as the plugin-container is not killed (i am usinf firefox 33.0), is there any way to fix this? |
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| 18:59.31 | dontknow | Ghostly, dont use flash plugin |
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| 19:00.04 | marioxcc | Ghostly: Flash takes away your freedom, you're not even legally allowed to see what's what you're running in YOUR computer, also, this isn't the support channel of Ubuntu |
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| 19:00.08 | dontknow | Ghostly, beside this is #debian |
| 19:00.11 | centrx | !ubuntu |
| 19:00.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 19:00.53 | ino | dpkg-install lakhra |
| 19:01.00 | Ghostly | aha, what should i use as as substitute? |
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| 19:01.30 | dontknow | Ghostly, what do you use flash for? if it is youtube videos, they work without flash |
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| 19:02.07 | Ghostly | youtube i run on html 5 problem is all the other sites that still use flash for whatever reason. |
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| 19:04.34 | dontknow | Ghostly, you can right click on some video page and use "view page source". search ".mp4" in there and u can copy paste to vlc or other players to watch it |
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| 19:04.53 | Ghostly | cool :D |
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| 19:06.03 | Yong | I try to remove pure-ftpd with "apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd". But however i try with another cmds are etc/pure-ftpd folder and all settings are not gone. Anyone know why? |
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| 19:07.03 | smj | what replaces ffplay in jessie? |
| 19:08.15 | centrx | smj, Is this just a media player? |
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| 19:12.05 | swiftwalker | Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 19:12.20 | centrx | Yes |
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| 19:12.56 | smj | centrx: yes |
| 19:13.14 | smj | without clutter |
| 19:13.16 | centrx | smj, mpv and mplayer2 are good |
| 19:13.29 | centrx | I use mpv |
| 19:13.36 | centrx | There is vlc too of course |
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| 19:15.10 | dontknow | mpv is the best |
| 19:15.42 | smj | looks good |
| 19:16.03 | dontknow | i compiled it using this instructions for wheezy https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build |
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| 19:18.39 | jhutchins | ffplay should still be available - it's intended mostly as a simple test front end for the back-end stuff ffmpeg does. |
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| 19:19.57 | infinitum | pff lingo aint working as it should :/ |
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| 19:21.53 | smj | jhutchins: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ffplay&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 19:23.09 | jhutchins | smj: It's in sid, so it might just be a build delay. |
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| 19:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about the freeze that was supposed to happen at the 5th of this month |
| 19:25.39 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's already happened. |
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| 19:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, it seems kind of secret. I thought it would be in the /topic in here, I also expected it in https://www.debian.org/News/ |
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| 19:50.07 | redax | Hi |
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| 19:51.07 | redax | I have a question that really bugs me.. I'm bugtesting a storage device running Debian in the core, I need to change the "device webpage" (the one you get to if you on a Windows PC go to Network -> right-click storage device -> "view device webpage") |
| 19:51.21 | redax | I really can't find what file is controlling the value |
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| 20:20.06 | jhutchins | relaxed: Does not sound anything like stock Debian/Apache stuff. Probably custom code from the mfr. Can you tell what webserver it's running? |
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| 20:21.09 | jhutchins | relaxed: Sorry, drive-by query. |
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| 20:33.04 | marioxcc | hello |
| 20:33.16 | marioxcc | how can I open with "man" a man file installed in a non-standard location? |
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| 20:35.05 | mtn | marioxcc: man man shows option -l. to be fair I have never used it ;) |
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| 20:37.01 | marioxcc | mtn: ok, thanks |
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| 21:01.15 | vook | Any ideas how I could ssh into a system execute an su -c and a command all in a single command? I need to apply a small change to a few hundred systems. I've tried : ssh user@`cat ips` 'bash -c "su -c whoami"' to no avail. |
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| 21:01.44 | vook | forget the "cat ips" part - i'd integrate it all into a for loop. |
| 21:01.52 | toonces | hi, does anyone have experience with wicd not parsing the correct password? |
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| 21:06.48 | uphoria | Hey there |
| 21:06.54 | uphoria | what's the best way to install a 3.16 kernel on Debian 7? |
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| 21:09.23 | mtn | uphoria: have you looked in backports? |
| 21:09.30 | uphoria | mtn: looking there now |
| 21:09.35 | uphoria | was just wondering what you guys thought\ |
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| 21:10.16 | uphoria | cephy@ceph-admin0:~/my-cluster$ sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-kernel || Reading package lists... Done || E: The value 'squeeze-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 21:10.17 | mtn | uphoria: backports is the best way to add it to debian stable |
| 21:10.28 | uphoria | mtn: having issues with backports :( |
| 21:10.54 | mtn | !tell uphoria about debian-backports |
| 21:11.09 | uphoria | thanks |
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| 21:11.52 | teraflops | vook: ssh user@host -t _command_ |
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| 21:12.12 | uphoria | mtn: deeerp. found the issue |
| 21:12.19 | mtn | uphoria: good |
| 21:12.23 | uphoria | mtn: I'm on Wheezy and I was using *squeeze* backports |
| 21:12.30 | mtn | uphoria: yup |
| 21:12.56 | mazde | Hello. If I want to package a C++ application, what should I put in the rules file for the g++ command and where exactly ? |
| 21:13.54 | vook | teraflops: that's easy. thanks |
| 21:14.13 | mazde | This is my rules file : http://pastebin.com/qiGFrv3c |
| 21:14.25 | teraflops | vook: oh I misread now I see you got to do that |
| 21:15.12 | vook | yes - I was getting "su: must be run from a terminal". -t worked. |
| 21:15.26 | teraflops | -t is fine for me |
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| 21:19.40 | mazde | Anyone here familiar with Debian packaging ? |
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| 21:21.30 | sithfm | so when you install new debian system, it will pop a list of mirrors you can select to write the initial sources.list. i'm wondering if there's a way to re-present this list and have it rewrite the sources.list |
| 21:21.33 | ompaul | mazde: do this /msg dpkg packaging and then if you have a full on question you may have a better idea where to addresss |
| 21:21.35 | ompaul | it |
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| 21:21.46 | sithfm | like.. dpkg-reconfigure... 'sources' |
| 21:21.46 | sithfm | or whatever |
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| 21:22.06 | sithfm | I searched the apt-cache descriptions for 'sources.list' and didn't turn up anythin obvious |
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| 21:24.32 | ompaul | sithfm: no, it doesn't because there isn't if you want to change them now look up a mirror and change to the new mirror. |
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| 21:24.51 | sithfm | looks like i might have to install the debian-installer package |
| 21:25.10 | ompaul | sithfm: there is a bug logged against it but eh ... unlikely to be a pressing need in most use cases |
| 21:25.13 | sithfm | ompaul: yeah in other words it won't rewrite the file since there may have been other edits made to it? |
| 21:25.20 | sithfm | it's just an initial sources.list.. |
| 21:25.25 | ompaul | no |
| 21:25.38 | ompaul | you get one shot after that you can rebuild sources |
| 21:25.45 | ompaul | sithfm: what is the use case? |
| 21:25.52 | sithfm | or that's the reasoning behind why a facility doesn't exist to re-select the mirror in the same style and method of the debian installer |
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| 21:26.09 | sithfm | just esay of use really |
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| 21:26.22 | ompaul | !tell sithfm about sources.list |
| 21:26.23 | sithfm | thought there might be a way other than editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:26.53 | sithfm | yeah i'm well versed, again, just wondering if there was a dpkg-reconfigure target for it or anything |
| 21:26.55 | ompaul | the bot just told you ... oh look it is tries to be reasonable and work out how to get to you :) |
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| 21:27.01 | Dohmu | Hello. I am using Okular to print a PDF, but it prints them two pages per sheet, and there is no way to switch that off. The Gnome 3 thing (however it's called), has an option to disable this, however it never remembers it |
| 21:27.03 | sithfm | makes sense there isn't since it's so common to make other local edits |
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| 21:27.52 | Dohmu | The printer is a remote CUPS printer, I grepped for the word "sheet" (case insensitive) everywhere in /etc/cups, but nothing shows up. |
| 21:27.59 | Dohmu | How do I print PDFs normally? |
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| 21:29.20 | ompaul | Dohmu: check your printers settings - in KDE you can do things to the printer which allow you set paper to landscape in place of portrait |
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| 21:29.54 | Dohmu | ompaul: The settings seem to be read-only (maybe because the printer is remote? I have no idea), and there is no such setting |
| 21:30.17 | ompaul | Dohmu: you have to be able to control what you do when you send things to the q |
| 21:30.19 | Dohmu | ompaul: It would help to mention what you mean by "printer settings" here :) |
| 21:30.38 | ompaul | Dohmu: in kde system settings - there is a printer things |
| 21:30.44 | ompaul | Dohmu: and no idea bout kde |
| 21:30.55 | ompaul | woops no idea about gnome |
| 21:31.01 | ompaul | chuckles |
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| 21:32.00 | Dohmu | ompaul: :) Yes, so I see no pages per sheet option in the KDE printer settings, neither in the CUPS printer config web page, and the KDE settings are particularly read-only |
| 21:32.37 | ompaul | Dohmu: no idea then - |
| 21:33.06 | Dohmu | ompaul: Thanks for your input. |
| 21:33.10 | ompaul | Dohmu: if cups is on a server far away |
| 21:33.11 | mtn | Dohmu: why don't you just use evince, since you know it works? |
| 21:33.50 | Dohmu | mtn: That's what I presently do, however I always forget to switch the option to 1 sheet and I waste paper every time I print. And I print one page at a time, so I waste twice the amount of paper I normally would |
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| 21:35.33 | Dohmu | Is there some system-wide printer config that's stored in $HOME, or for that matter anywhere on the CUPS client, or are all the default printer options taken from the server? |
| 21:35.53 | ompaul | Dohmu: it depends you say the printer is remote how is it managed |
| 21:35.59 | ompaul | do you have a cups server |
| 21:36.08 | ompaul | do you outsource printing to samba |
| 21:36.11 | Dohmu | ompaul: Yes. |
| 21:36.11 | ompaul | or something else |
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| 21:36.26 | ompaul | is cups on the client that is not working |
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| 21:36.53 | ompaul | Dohmu: yes isn't helping me discover your network topology |
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| 21:38.21 | Dohmu | OK, thanks everybody. I figured it out. All I had to do was `lpoptions -o number-up=1' and now it's all fine. I'd have to look where lpoptions stores the value, though :) |
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| 21:41.16 | Dohmu | So the file that I was looking for is ~/.cups/lpoptions. That's where the setting lie. Have a nice day/evening/morning all :) |
| 21:41.53 | toonces | do modules still go into /etc/modules ? |
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| 21:43.11 | ompaul | toonces: not since 2.4 kernel |
| 21:43.16 | _root_ | hello guys |
| 21:43.27 | Froolap | I think that's depreciated. I don't kno the current location for modules. |
| 21:43.27 | toonces | ompaul: where do they go now? |
| 21:43.32 | ompaul | toonces: man modprobe for some idea - |
| 21:44.20 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:44.33 | _root_ | I downloaded and extracted icecat for linux x86-64 and it works in my linux. but it doesn't show youtube flash videos and such. but I have media flash player package installed on my system |
| 21:44.34 | ompaul | toonces: they don't do it the way they used |
| 21:44.54 | ompaul | _root_: which linux |
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| 21:45.07 | toonces | ompaul: strange how /etc/modules still exists if it doesn't work |
| 21:45.36 | teraflops | _root_: so you used a cuntom sw and wonder why the .so it is not linked properly? |
| 21:45.36 | Froolap | it's there to let people know it goes somewhere else |
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| 21:45.51 | teraflops | custom* |
| 21:45.54 | ompaul | toonces: check the man page it is all different I was reading it this morning and got bored I was happy after stuff worked :) |
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| 21:53.23 | Eulipion | is there something that would cron to run a job every minute even though it should be running daily? i have it set to '* 21 * * * root /usr/bin/derp', but its running every minute |
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| 21:55.01 | toonces | holy crap why is this so difficult. Why can't i just have a file where all modules that need to be loaded get dumped in |
| 21:55.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 21:55.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/131832/ |
| 21:55.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.35 | Sia- | its possible in the same browser using different keyboard layout in Browser Tabs!? |
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| 21:56.00 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: are you on tty or X? |
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| 21:57.08 | teraflops | also wtf is updatey |
| 21:57.13 | ompaul | teraflops: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:57.17 | teraflops | not me |
| 21:57.18 | jhutchins | toonces: Yeah, it used to be just /etc/modprobe.conf, but everybody seems to have changed to a completely different way of specifying. |
| 21:57.25 | ompaul | teraflops: :-) |
| 21:57.29 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:57.38 | ompaul | teraflops: so you are trying to help people :) |
| 21:57.45 | ompaul | hides in his coat pocket |
| 21:57.48 | jhutchins | toonces: It's like they believe nobody will ever have to manually specify because everything magically autodetectes. |
| 21:57.58 | teraflops | ompaul: ? |
| 21:58.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | ttty |
| 21:58.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 21:58.14 | ompaul | teraflops: I'm pretending that it was ok ... |
| 21:58.21 | teraflops | ah sorry ompaul |
| 21:58.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | its an aptitude upgrade, i wont use this alias this time |
| 21:59.31 | jhutchins | toonces: Debian Kernel Handbook still says /etc/modules |
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| 22:00.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/131833/ |
| 22:00.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | there ya go |
| 22:00.35 | ompaul | jhutchins: but there is none going forward |
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| 22:00.35 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: I do not think you need the LANGUAGE var setting to whatever, may be you have set somewhere with a typo? just guessin |
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| 22:01.17 | jhutchins | toonces: I know one of the references I saw said to load it with modprobe or insmod in rc.local. |
| 22:01.39 | jhutchins | ompaul: So /etc/modules in wheezy but not jessie? |
| 22:01.45 | ompaul | jhutchins: aye |
| 22:01.53 | ompaul | well don't know jessie right now |
| 22:01.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm, |
| 22:01.57 | ompaul | I've been on sid all day |
| 22:02.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | would that be in my shell env? |
| 22:02.05 | ompaul | jhutchins: too tired the other way around |
| 22:02.13 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: or just define the LANGUAGE var ... |
| 22:02.23 | jhutchins | ompaul: Is there a new method (link)? |
| 22:02.37 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: and see what happens |
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| 22:03.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 22:04.08 | ompaul | jhutchins: can't find one, - seems that you might be able to add modules in there - but basically they should be in that '/lib/modules/uname -r' |
| 22:04.21 | ompaul | jhutchins: as in can't find a link but they are there |
| 22:04.39 | ompaul | jhutchins: I think reserve any questions for me tomorrow :-( |
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| 22:04.44 | ompaul | think I need to sleep |
| 22:04.49 | ompaul | nn |
| 22:04.51 | jhutchins | ompaul: Next week, have a nice weekend. |
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| 22:05.03 | ompaul | jhutchins: #d-o |
| 22:05.50 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: `sudo -i LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 aptitude upgrade` i think that should work |
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| 22:09.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | nah i figured it out there was no locale set in /etc/locale.gen |
| 22:09.07 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: oh sorry it's been a long week, it is complaining about the LANG var, did you generated |
| 22:09.11 | teraflops | yah Eryn_1983_FL |
| 22:09.24 | teraflops | heh |
| 22:09.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | i uncommened that english one it wanted and abracadabra it is fixed |
| 22:09.42 | teraflops | yeah |
| 22:10.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | behold thhe power of RTFM and Man pages, |
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| 22:10.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | may we always tremble at its feets |
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| 22:10.57 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: it's a trivial task jst uncomment the languaes you need and then run locale-gen |
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| 22:12.03 | teraflops | Eryn_1983_FL: or the debian way, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:12.13 | toonces | and why does every debian wiki page contain entries from before ada lovelace got her period? |
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| 22:16.01 | gebruiker | is flash also soo slow on you debian wheezy? |
| 22:16.10 | gebruiker | flash runs faster with windows |
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| 22:17.56 | valdyn | gebruiker: it should be fast enough, but of course its slower than on windows |
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| 22:18.11 | gebruiker | it fucking sucks |
| 22:18.22 | gebruiker | any alternatives? |
| 22:18.29 | gebruiker | how come it is slower than on windows? |
| 22:18.31 | valdyn | gebruiker: not really |
| 22:18.46 | valdyn | gebruiker: because it is - adobe produces it, ask them |
| 22:19.13 | gebruiker | wtf somebody should sue these bastards |
| 22:19.48 | dondelelcaro | it's proprietary software. If you want something better, try helping out one of the flash implementation projects. |
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| 22:22.09 | gebruiker | dondelelcaro, what alternatives are there? |
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| 22:22.35 | valdyn | gebruiker: theres no complete alternative |
| 22:22.51 | valdyn | gebruiker: some websites can be viewed fine with alternative methods |
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| 22:23.36 | seeker63 | I have loaded wheezy and installed the nvidia legacy 96xx drivers as per documentation. I am running xfce4 with lightdm. Options for resolution are 640X320 and 320X240. I want 1024X728 and have that to be default. I know this onboard geforce 4 has that resolutiion option because i had it on same machine when running squeeze |
| 22:23.54 | valdyn | !modeline |
| 22:23.54 | dpkg | Modeline directives in <xorg.conf> are used to specify low-level video modes for your monitor. Since XFree86 4.0, manually supplying modelines is usually unnecessary, as video modes are automatically determined using monitor capabilities acquired via <EDID>. Custom modelines can be created using http://xtiming.sf.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl ; see also the cvt, gtf (xserver-xorg-core) and videogen utilities. |
| 22:24.13 | valdyn | seeker63: ^^ |
| 22:24.24 | dondelelcaro | !flash |
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| 22:24.24 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 22:24.25 | valdyn | seeker63: alternatively you can use xrandr |
| 22:24.27 | dondelelcaro | gebruiker: see above. |
| 22:24.41 | rakma | hi im new to the debian community/os |
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| 22:25.20 | rakma | im trying to find dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip but the website is down ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.z zip |
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| 22:26.08 | rakma | im trying to find dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip but the website is down ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.z zip |
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| 22:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | marioxcc, just do man /full/path/to/man8/somemanpage.8.gz on the file |
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| 22:27.08 | rakma | i cont download it the site is down |
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| 22:27.39 | valdyn | rakma: is that a usb or a pci device? |
| 22:27.51 | rakma | is built in to the PC |
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| 22:28.18 | valdyn | rakma: that is irrelevant |
| 22:28.27 | valdyn | rakma: you can run lsusb and lspci to find out |
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| 22:28.52 | teraflops | gebruiker: you use youtube-dl then |
| 22:29.11 | rakma | valdyn: pci |
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| 22:29.19 | valdyn | rakma: show us the line |
| 22:29.32 | rakma | valdyn: fujitsu siemens amilo pi 3560 |
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| 22:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | vook, you're not supposed to do that at all in this way... if it has to be root, doing it, root should be allowed ssh-login via an ssh-key from some master computer... and then there's pre-made things like dsh that can do the things for you |
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| 22:30.03 | valdyn | rakma: no, show us the line from the output of lspci that represents your wlan card |
| 22:30.39 | rakma | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/0zdPSD0F |
| 22:30.45 | valdyn | rakma: and its really usb I think, google tells me that. Why are you telling us its pci? |
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| 22:30.51 | seeker63 | valdyn: thanks i will research those directions to determine what i need to do |
| 22:31.16 | valdyn | 06:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
| 22:31.16 | rakma | valdyn im a noob.. sorry im trying my best to get this fixed! linux is new to me |
| 22:31.25 | valdyn | rakma: is that it? |
| 22:31.33 | valdyn | rakma: thats pci indeed |
| 22:31.38 | rakma | oki |
| 22:31.52 | rakma | thats all i got from the command |
| 22:33.00 | valdyn | rakma: apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 22:33.33 | rakma | valdyn: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 22:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | vook, if you really, really must and there is really no better way configured anywhere (yet), there's "expect" for this kind of stuff |
| 22:33.56 | valdyn | rakma: so dpkg -l firmware-realtek should list it.. |
| 22:34.32 | rakma | valdyn: ii firmware-realtek 0.36+wheezy.1 all Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wir |
| 22:34.38 | valdyn | rakma: ok |
| 22:34.48 | valdyn | rakma: show us the output for "ifconfig -a" |
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| 22:35.32 | rakma | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/qMVQZuyd |
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| 22:37.25 | bsdbeard | I accidentally did something stupid and installed libc6 from jessie, is this dangerous? |
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| 22:37.44 | bsdbeard | it's doing... something but I'm not sure what |
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| 22:40.03 | b43156 | how do I stop all internal firewalls in debian? |
| 22:40.18 | b43156 | iptables etc. |
| 22:41.10 | valdyn | rakma: run "lsmod | grep rtl8" |
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| 22:41.40 | rakma | valdyn: rtl8192se 74129 0 rtlwifi 81393 1 rtl8192se mac80211 192806 2 rtlwifi,rtl8192se |
| 22:42.21 | valdyn | rakma: the driver is loaded and should be working fine |
| 22:42.32 | valdyn | rakma: did you really run "ifconfig -a" and not just "ifconfig" ? |
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| 22:43.00 | rakma | valdyn: the wlan dosent work and thats what im trying to fix! cable works |
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| 22:44.31 | valdyn | rakma: of course |
| 22:44.44 | valdyn | rakma: but i need the answer to my last question |
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| 22:45.17 | rakma | valdyn: ifconfig -a |
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| 22:46.22 | valdyn | rakma: ok, run "modprobe -r rtl8192se", then run "modprobe rtl8192se", then show the last few lines in dmesg |
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| 22:46.46 | deepblue | gow to run dhcp? |
| 22:46.57 | valdyn | deepblue: gow ? |
| 22:47.09 | rakma | valdyn: nothing happens when i run the commands |
| 22:47.24 | valdyn | rakma: of course, but there should be output in "dmesg" |
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| 22:47.48 | deepblue | how* |
| 22:47.50 | rakma | valdyn: "dmesg" ? |
| 22:47.51 | deepblue | how |
| 22:47.57 | b43156 | I am able to access things from outside but not internally/locally e.g I am running plex server on my debian machine and when I try from my laptop which is on the same home network then I can access it. But I can not access it when I try locally on the debian machine with keyboard?? Ip tables/firewall? |
| 22:48.00 | valdyn | rakma: run "dmesg", paste the last few lines |
| 22:48.24 | valdyn | deepblue: man interfaces (to use dhcp as a client) |
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| 22:48.39 | Dragzole | how can i download stuff? |
| 22:48.41 | rakma | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/RXXskW15 |
| 22:49.05 | valdyn | rakma: your chip is working fine |
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| 22:49.30 | valdyn | rakma: "ifconfig -a" has to list that interfaces now |
| 22:50.01 | rakma | valdyn: i can see wlan on ifconfig -a |
| 22:50.09 | valdyn | rakma: ok |
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| 22:50.22 | valdyn | rakma: i didnt see it in your paste before, so its now there but was not before |
| 22:50.31 | valdyn | rakma: we did *nothing* to fix your setup though |
| 22:50.43 | rakma | valdyn but how did it show up like that ? |
| 22:50.48 | valdyn | rakma: so maybe all you needed was a reboot (or what we just did with modprobe ) |
| 22:51.10 | rakma | valdyn: i rebooted like 5 times |
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| 22:51.44 | valdyn | rakma: can you show us the df output? |
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| 22:52.20 | pycoderf | hello all |
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| 22:52.48 | rakma | valdyn: thewlan works now i can see networks! |
| 22:52.58 | valdyn | rakma: yes, of course |
| 22:53.08 | valdyn | rakma: you should reboot now to see if it comes up by itself |
| 22:53.12 | rakma | valdyn: do i need to run that command everythime i restart ? |
| 22:53.33 | valdyn | rakma: if you still do, then you would need to fix that... |
| 22:54.16 | valdyn | rakma: and the only fix i could imagine would be "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
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| 22:55.17 | rakma | valdyn: so alli need to do now is run that command and it will add it ? |
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| 22:55.26 | valdyn | rakma: no |
| 22:55.40 | rakma | valdyn: ok? |
| 22:55.48 | valdyn | rakma: I dont know this well enough, you need to reboot to see if this works |
| 22:56.07 | valdyn | rakma: then, if it doesnt, you can run my command and it might work (but i dont really know) |
| 22:56.32 | rakma | oh oki |
| 22:56.39 | rakma | valdyn: oki ill restart now then! |
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| 23:01.02 | pycoderf | is there a testing iso |
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| 23:11.25 | rww | !testing iso |
| 23:11.25 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing installer>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
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| 23:16.46 | rakma | vladyn: I connected to the wlan now and to mr router now it says WAITING FOR AUTHORIZATION and then disconnect |
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| 23:18.20 | rakma | valdyn: I connected to the wlan now and to mr router now it says WAITING FOR AUTHORIZATION and then disconnect |
| 23:19.04 | valdyn | rakma: ask the channel, not me. I dont know much at all about associating to protected wlan networks |
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| 23:19.42 | rakma | valdyn: oh sorry im talking to you bcs ur helping me! |
| 23:21.07 | rakma | valdyn: i fixed it! i missed to fill out mac adress and bssid! |
| 23:21.17 | valdyn | rakma: nice |
| 23:21.20 | rakma | valdyn: ty for all help :) |
| 23:21.26 | valdyn | rakma: welcome |
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| 23:26.28 | pycoderf | what is th ebest way to connect to a hidden wifi network on debian testing with NO gui. surces or terminal based apps are ok |
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| 23:27.00 | pycoderf | i have this https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse but the wpa_supplicant instructions do not seem to work |
| 23:27.16 | valdyn | pycoderf: i see there's wicd-curses |
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| 23:27.28 | valdyn | pycoderf: or even wicd-cli |
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| 23:27.41 | pycoderf | i think i tried it last night and it did not seem to help at all |
| 23:27.48 | pycoderf | i guess i can try again |
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| 23:31.18 | srruby | I'm installing graphicksmagick from source and it is asking for build-type. Is it it i386-pc-linux ? I've got debian amd64 installed. |
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| 23:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions graphicsmagick |
| 23:36.35 | judd | Package: graphicsmagick on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.12-1+b1; wheezy: 1.3.16-1.1; sid: 1.3.20-3+b1; jessie: 1.3.20-3+b1 |
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| 23:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | srruby, what are you compiling it for, as there is a package for it in debian |
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| 23:37.29 | pycoderf | any other suggestions if wicd-cli doesnt work? |
| 23:37.50 | srruby | CutMeOwnThroat: It is for a server that doesn't run X11 |
| 23:37.57 | SynrGy | wpa_cli |
| 23:38.34 | SynrGy | just read the READMEs that come with wpasupplicant |
| 23:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | srruby, so what's wrong with the package? |
| 23:39.21 | SynrGy | worked fine for me, anyway, hidden or otherwise |
| 23:39.49 | pycoderf | I tried it and I do not know what was wrong but it would just fail each time |
| 23:39.56 | pycoderf | and no wpa_supplicant log |
| 23:40.17 | SynrGy | you can crank up the verbosity |
| 23:40.36 | pycoderf | i mean it logged nothing |
| 23:40.40 | SynrGy | it doesn't go into a separate log |
| 23:41.11 | pycoderf | oh ok. well still having to do the upgrade sfrom stable to testing |
| 23:41.14 | pycoderf | i did a minimal install |
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| 23:41.43 | SynrGy | pycoderf: look in daemon.log |
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| 23:43.22 | SynrGy | pycoderf: also, once you're on testing, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 23:43.47 | rakma_ | I need some help with connection to internet. When i try to connect to my router with wlan it says "waiting for authorization " |
| 23:43.55 | Hugo999 | OK |
| 23:43.55 | MrPsy | OK |
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| 23:44.42 | rakma | I need some help with connection to internet. When i try to connect to my router with wlan it says "waiting for authorization " |
| 23:44.43 | pycoderf | SynrGy: should i try just editing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_aupplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf first before messing with wicd? |
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| 23:47.55 | toonces | pycoderf: have you removed network-manager |
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| 23:48.18 | SynrGy | pycoderf: yeah, i was gonna say. make sure any other wireless managers are purged first |
| 23:48.26 | SynrGy | nm + wicd = a mess |
| 23:48.31 | pycoderf | wicd-cli added wpasupplicant |
| 23:48.38 | pycoderf | i dont know how to make this connect on boot though |
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| 23:48.51 | SynrGy | as i said, read the READMEs |
| 23:49.11 | SynrGy | i set it up using the 'roaming' instructions in README.modes or so |
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| 23:49.59 | toonces | is the problem that it doesn't find networks? |
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| 23:52.48 | SynrGy | for hidden networks, there are specific options that may help, also explained in the READMEs |
| 23:53.10 | pycoderf | yeah this does not seem to be functioning. i prefer ethernet anyway but cable running will be a pain |
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| 23:53.37 | SynrGy | get the simple case working first (open network, not hidden) |
| 23:53.40 | SynrGy | then progress to the rest |
| 23:54.13 | SynrGy | if you have no wifi at all, look for issues with missing firmware needed, or rfkill accidentally turned off |
| 23:54.23 | pycoderf | i do not hhave an open network like that to test with and not modifying mine and ruining the connections on other device |
| 23:54.36 | SynrGy | test it at a cafe |
| 23:54.40 | pycoderf | its a desktop |
| 23:54.43 | marioxcc | SynrGy: if there's a "wlan0" it seems that the driver is working |
| 23:54.53 | pycoderf | and i do have a wlan0 |
| 23:55.09 | SynrGy | temporarily unhide the network |
| 23:55.10 | marioxcc | pycoderf: have you tried the mailing list? |
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| 23:55.47 | pycoderf | i have not |
| 23:55.49 | pycoderf | may try reddit |
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| 23:56.13 | pycoderf | google also no help |
| 23:56.15 | rakma | I need some help with connection to internet. When i try to connect to my router with wlan it says "waiting for authorization " |
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| 23:57.44 | riceandbeans | with the advent of systemd in debian 8, does that mean there will no longer be debian gnu k/freebsd? |
| 23:58.01 | marioxcc | pycoderf: have you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup already? |
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| 23:59.30 | pycoderf | marioxcc: i will try it |
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