| 00:01.49 | Loshki | anon_: Dunno. http://askubuntu.com/questions/352131/put-swap-on-ssd-or-hdd seem to think it's feasible. |
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| 00:06.00 | Walex | marioxcc: ssh-keyscan $HOST > /tmp/key-$HOST && ssh-kegen -l -f /tmp/key-$HOST |
| 00:07.24 | chomwitt_ | after installing 2-3 packages in debian jessy + xfce desktop after login seems messed up (like torn and repatched in big rectangles shapes) and no panels. |
| 00:07.50 | heurist | chomwitt_: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:08.02 | chomwitt_ | ok. thanks |
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| 00:10.36 | marioxcc | Walex: ok, thanks |
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| 00:22.08 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 00:22.28 | marioxcc | I'm trying to give access to an user by SSH, but he still gets his key rejected, how can I troubleshot the problem? |
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| 00:23.40 | heurist | marioxcc: ssh -v (or even -vv or -vvv) will give you more feedback about what is happening on the client-side. have you configured the server correctly? |
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| 00:25.22 | marioxcc | heurist: I found the issue, thanks |
| 00:25.33 | marioxcc | is there a way I can give the user the right to set a password without currently having one? |
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| 00:29.06 | myfavyrp | marioxcc: try with "chage -d 0 username". That might work for you |
| 00:29.40 | marioxcc | myfavyrp: ok, thanks |
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| 00:41.35 | pederindi | # /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 00:41.48 | `Kevin | nooo |
| 00:41.52 | pederindi | is not stoping internet connection |
| 00:42.13 | pederindi | why? |
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| 00:43.10 | heurist | !interfaces |
| 00:43.11 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 00:43.13 | marioxcc | pederindi: I think that that's only for manual network configuration |
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| 00:50.42 | pederindi | thanks heurist marioxcc |
| 00:51.07 | marioxcc | you're welcome. |
| 00:51.08 | trewas | sanity won on the GR vote by surprisingly fair margin |
| 00:51.50 | pederindi | trewas: what's "sanity" |
| 00:52.06 | pederindi | url? |
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| 00:52.48 | trewas | https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00171.html |
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| 00:54.55 | pederindi | trewas: and the discussion web about this options? |
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| 00:55.21 | gzcwnk | anyone in whos used/setup evolution/dovecot? I set it up and it works for teh original user but not for new users |
| 00:55.38 | gzcwnk | new users I just get "loading" |
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| 00:57.20 | trewas | pederindi: they are somewhere there on the archives of debian-vote, but option 1 was "systemd-must-die" and the rest allowed using it |
| 00:57.28 | heurist | gzcwnk: try a different client (or telnet/netcat) to test if the problem lies with the Dovecot setup or with Evolution. |
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| 00:58.09 | gzcwnk | both work for me in dovecot just not for a new user "mail" works OK for the new users I can see teh etst email |
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| 00:58.55 | gzcwnk | whats an alternative to evolution on debain? |
| 00:58.57 | gzcwnk | debian |
| 00:59.26 | eurobit | god on debain? |
| 00:59.37 | gzcwnk | hehe |
| 00:59.38 | heurist | gzcwnk: what "both" is this? is the mail command running on the same host as the mail server? |
| 00:59.48 | gzcwnk | yes |
| 01:00.03 | gzcwnk | its just one box |
| 01:00.14 | eurobit | dovecot + postfix = seemless and most perfect combination |
| 01:00.17 | gzcwnk | with postfix and dovecot underneath |
| 01:00.24 | heurist | gzcwnk: then mail is accessing the file directly and not using any server at all. can you test with telnet? |
| 01:00.34 | gzcwnk | well then evolution has barfed |
| 01:00.41 | eurobit | hugs gzcwnk and gives him a spare vowel |
| 01:00.50 | somiaj | gzcwnk: there is icedove though mozilla deson't really develop it anymore. |
| 01:00.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | gzcwnk, do you want a full equivalent or would another mail client do? |
| 01:01.24 | eurobit | sylpheed = best encrytable and gnupg client eva |
| 01:01.47 | gzcwnk | something like thunderbird would be nice but any gui will do as its for a microsoft person, he'd be frightened otherwise ;] |
| 01:02.00 | pasky_ | thunderbird == icedove |
| 01:02.19 | somiaj | gzcwnk: icedove = thunderbird |
| 01:02.30 | gzcwnk | good enough |
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| 01:02.49 | gzcwnk | since it works for me I assume its evolution taht is borked |
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| 01:16.01 | gzcwnk | looks like dovecot is trying to create mail dirs but doesnt have permissions? |
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| 01:29.55 | NiLon | I'm bit confused, if I have 32 bit kernel does it also mask the possibility if cpu is actually 64bit? |
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| 01:30.16 | NiLon | as I think I should have 64 bit cpu but it lists as 32 bit and I can't find evidence it would be actually 64 |
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| 01:31.25 | Simotek-Work | NiLon, it may depend on what the application is using to determine 32 vs 64 bit |
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| 01:32.50 | dvs | NiLon: grep " lm " /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:33.01 | NiLon | well I have should have identical system, another is reporting 64 and another 32 |
| 01:33.45 | NiLon | dvs gives nothing, but if I have 32 bit kernel should it even? |
| 01:34.13 | dvs | NiLon: it should still give something with a 32-bit kernel |
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| 01:35.04 | zyutk | i want to write a software that can detect proper password on websites from the exist database,any advise? |
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| 01:43.48 | astings | this channel is for windows users? |
| 01:44.22 | dvs | nope |
| 01:44.41 | beardy | gives dvs the feeding bag |
| 01:45.02 | dvs | naps in his hay |
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| 01:49.05 | cafuego | get off my (dried) lawn |
| 01:49.17 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:52.47 | eurobit | how many days now has astings been a lame not even clever troll? |
| 01:53.02 | astings | :3 |
| 01:53.10 | astings | i leave |
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| 01:53.34 | eurobit | just say something debianish |
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| 01:54.43 | dvs | etch was the best version ever! |
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| 01:59.15 | Chrun | I really dont understand how to verify my ISO https://www.debian.org/CD/verify The script there didn't work (permission denied even though I chmod +x) and I dont understand the gpg instructions |
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| 02:02.02 | dvs | Chrun: What script |
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| 02:02.56 | Chrun | https://people.debian.org/~danchev/debian-iso/check_debian_iso dvs dvs linked from https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 02:04.16 | dvs | Chrun: I'd just run md5sum on the iso file and compare it to the MD5SUM file |
| 02:04.41 | Chrun | the md5sum file only has the sums for individual files in the iso though, not for the iso itself |
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| 02:05.07 | marioxcc | dvs: md5 is very weak |
| 02:05.22 | dvs | Chrun: The MD5SUM file where the ISO file came from has the value for the entire ISO |
| 02:05.24 | marioxcc | there are PDFs which hash to the same md5, for instance. |
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| 02:06.36 | eurobit | lol show this |
| 02:06.38 | gzcwnk | looks like both evolutioon and icedove have some sort of permission error, ergo bug report time me thinks |
| 02:07.19 | Chrun | dvs: Ive been looking for about 3 hours now and I dont see it anywhere |
| 02:07.46 | dvs | Chrun: You dont know where you got the ISO file from? |
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| 02:08.15 | Chrun | its for xfce live btw, was it supoosed to be on the torrent? there was only the iso in the torrent (torrent came from debian website) |
| 02:09.23 | Chrun | From here (last one) https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
| 02:09.50 | dvs | Chrun: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid |
| 02:11.13 | Chrun | thanks a lot |
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| 02:13.31 | thepro4ever | i have a process that is listening on port 10034, it seems like that port sometimes randomly becomes unavailable for 2 minutes, is there any historical data for the process that the os keeps track of if I catch the issue quick enough? like can i look in a log file or something and see the port blipped or something for a second |
| 02:14.18 | marioxcc | thepro4ever: I don't know, but try grepping the files in /var/log |
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| 02:14.32 | seeker63 | I have used xrandr --newmode "1024X768_60" etc etc etc and get Failed to get gamma error |
| 02:14.45 | cafuego | thepro4ever: You could add a firewall rule with log target for NEW packets going to port 10034 |
| 02:15.09 | cafuego | thepro4ever: Won't give you process data, BUT if someone is talking to that port, you'll see from there |
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| 02:18.04 | gzcwnk | is there a way to report a bug via web? |
| 02:18.30 | eurobit | thepro4ever: try netstat -anp |
| 02:19.18 | heurist | dpkg: tell gzcwnk -about BTS |
| 02:19.44 | seeker63 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.04 | gzcwnk | i cant use reportbug the server isnt on the internet its isolated |
| 02:20.51 | eurobit | gzcwnk: use apt-get install telepathy |
| 02:21.02 | gzcwnk | funny guy |
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| 02:21.28 | eurobit | sorry you don't have internet ;) |
| 02:21.46 | gzcwnk | the box with the problem doesnt its isolated in vmware |
| 02:22.12 | gzcwnk | all i have is a console |
| 02:23.19 | eurobit | you got the debian install cds? see if it is on them |
| 02:23.45 | gzcwnk | looks like there is file system permission issue, which I dont understand |
| 02:24.19 | gzcwnk | "file_dotlink_create" failed" |
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| 02:26.58 | heurist | dpkg: tell seeker63 -about multiple ask |
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| 02:30.17 | eurobit | heurist: i thought that only kicked in after the 54th ask? |
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| 02:37.15 | marioxcc | where can I find the sysvinit documentation? |
| 02:37.28 | gzcwnk | seems a bug tahts a year old is outstanding https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711856 |
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| 02:41.35 | slitt_ | Hi all, I need to hang up now because I'm going to install PCBSD 10.1 64 bit on this machine now. |
| 02:41.56 | att344 | when i restart my network I get this ifup: failed to open lockfile /run/network/.ifstate.lock: No such file or directory, any ideas? |
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| 02:45.12 | Zerock | Is there a tool that can strip the first X characters from several files' names, or must I write a script/program to do this? |
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| 02:45.43 | heurist | att344: how are you "restarting" the network? not using /etc/init.d/networking I hope, that it not what that is for. use ifdown -a ; ifup -a |
| 02:45.54 | dondelelcaro | Zerock: you want to remove the first X letters? or do something with them? |
| 02:46.01 | pingfloyd | Zerock: you can use parameter expansion for that with is built right into bash |
| 02:46.22 | dondelelcaro | Zerock: if remove is what you want, rename 's/^.{3}//' foofiles; |
| 02:46.36 | att344 | heurist: yeah I was using network method. |
| 02:46.40 | Zerock | dondelelcaro: Let's say I have a bunch of files called myfile01.txt through myfile99.txt and I want to rename them all to fileXX.txt instead |
| 02:47.04 | dondelelcaro | Zerock: so rename 's/myfile/file/' myfile*.txt; |
| 02:47.29 | pingfloyd | rename sounds like the easiest way |
| 02:47.33 | Zerock | Thank you. :D |
| 02:47.47 | Zerock | I always renamed with mv; never understood the purpose of rename. |
| 02:47.56 | pingfloyd | you could opt to right a simple loop though if you want using parameter expansion. |
| 02:48.15 | Techstar | is there a tutorial on editing the firewall via terminal? |
| 02:48.32 | eurobit | rename is a 'mv' filtering |
| 02:49.32 | att344 | does anyone know gui dsp manager for pulse? |
| 02:49.34 | dondelelcaro | pretty much; it's actually a bit more complicated, but that's the general idea. |
| 02:50.07 | Zerock | att344: PulseAudio or syncthing? |
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| 02:51.49 | gzcwnk | why is gnome have a dependnacy on evolution? |
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| 02:52.22 | Zerock | gzcwnk: Because it is not gnome-core. |
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| 02:52.35 | att344 | Zerock: pulse audio |
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| 02:52.43 | att344 | i would like to try some sound effects |
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| 02:55.14 | marioxcc | what does a "." at the beginning of a line means in Bash? |
| 02:55.33 | heurist | marioxcc: depends on what the line says. |
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| 02:56.16 | marioxcc | heurist: for instance ". /lib/init/vars.sh" from /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 02:56.22 | marioxcc | in Debian Wheezy |
| 02:56.29 | heurist | marioxcc: help . will tell you same as help source |
| 02:56.51 | marioxcc | ok, but before a link like this, what does that means? |
| 02:57.12 | heurist | marioxcc: "Execute commands from a file in the current shell" from help , |
| 02:57.35 | marioxcc | heurist: ok, thanks |
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| 03:00.36 | att344 | gzcwnk: beats me, gnome is not a gnome anymore it is a giant |
| 03:01.31 | att344 | I cant frigging get rid of all gnome crap like online accounts, even though I am not using gnome, somehow they sneak in |
| 03:03.18 | dondelelcaro | gzcwnk: evolution is the gnome groupware solution |
| 03:03.44 | gzcwnk | k, I just ripped evolution out it refused to work, pile of crap |
| 03:03.52 | gzcwnk | icedove works fine |
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| 03:07.07 | att344 | gzcwnk: you should try terminal email apps they work much better than icedove |
| 03:07.18 | gzcwnk | mail works great |
| 03:07.40 | gzcwnk | icedove is for teh windows admins :) |
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| 03:08.27 | att344 | gzcwnk: ahh ok, i can recommend pine or mutt, they are light weight vs icedove |
| 03:08.28 | gzcwnk | though I like thunderbird |
| 03:08.53 | att344 | your email security is diminished with tb |
| 03:08.58 | gzcwnk | pine is fine |
| 03:09.05 | _FBi | Q: while doing a netinstall, when selecting a mirror I get that it can't scan the mirror. probably due to network error. How is this possible from a netinstall? |
| 03:09.07 | gzcwnk | not tried mutt, guess I should |
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| 03:10.27 | gzcwnk | how so? |
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| 03:10.54 | gzcwnk | when you have windows, mac and linux one email client for the lot is way easier |
| 03:11.16 | att344 | mozilla sells customer data |
| 03:11.23 | gzcwnk | ah ok. |
| 03:11.27 | gzcwnk | sucky |
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| 03:12.35 | gzcwnk | URL btw? |
| 03:12.44 | att344 | wonders of mixed up profit non profit, seems lke they made 165 million bux, wonder how |
| 03:12.44 | gzcwnk | ive never heard this before |
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| 03:15.25 | att344 | gzcwnk: me? |
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| 03:18.04 | gzcwnk | evidence they are selling customer data? |
| 03:18.14 | att344 | sure, well The release of the anti-phishing protection in Firefox 2 in particular raised considerable controversy:[36] Anti-phishing protection, enabled by default, is based on a list updated twice hourly from Google's servers |
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| 03:18.42 | gzcwnk | hmmm |
| 03:18.47 | att344 | Mozilla made 52 million, 163 million in 2011 |
| 03:18.51 | att344 | tell me how ;) |
| 03:19.23 | att344 | 52 in 2005 |
| 03:19.41 | gzcwnk | no idea, maybe ask them? |
| 03:19.42 | att344 | they trippled the amount in 6 yearsm gotta make money sure |
| 03:20.07 | att344 | the line I provided answer, Google paid most of it |
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| 03:20.37 | att344 | anyway I do not use mozilla stuff myself, just providing additional information for those who did not know |
| 03:21.25 | att344 | according to wikipedia page, Google paid %85 of 163 million in 2011 |
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| 04:00.18 | tomivs | Hi guys |
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| 04:00.55 | tomivs | I want to use a good video editor (like kdenlive) |
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| 04:09.02 | cjbayliss | tomivs: but you don't want to use kdenlive? |
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| 04:25.45 | un214 | does somiaj happen to be here? |
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| 04:27.09 | un214 | on a somewhat related note, you guys still take patches to lilo? |
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| 04:34.01 | un214 | huh lilo site broken except for home page |
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| 04:38.12 | un214 | anyway main lesson: grub and dm-raid don't mix |
| 04:38.26 | un214 | I've got a fixed lilo that can handle the situation |
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| 04:47.57 | somiaj | un214: send patches to the matianer though the BTS |
| 04:48.20 | un214 | ok can do |
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| 04:51.36 | orangey1 | Hello all |
| 04:52.00 | orangey1 | I'm trying to understand packaging for debian.. |
| 04:52.03 | orangey1 | I see this: https://tracker.debian.org/news/583655 |
| 04:52.10 | orangey1 | but I can't find the package for 0.11.0-1 |
| 04:52.21 | orangey1 | e.g., on this page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/quassel |
| 04:52.30 | somiaj | ,v quassel |
| 04:52.31 | judd | Package: quassel on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; sid: 1:0.10.0-2.2; jessie: 1:0.10.0-2.2 |
| 04:52.58 | orangey1 | somiaj: yes.. I can see that from the second link. However, as you can see from the first, it indicates that somewhere lives 0.11 |
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| 04:54.20 | somiaj | orangey1: notice teh epoic 1: -- they have forcefully made this version higher. |
| 04:54.54 | orangey1 | somiaj: do you mind expanding on that? i don't understand what you mean. |
| 04:55.06 | orangey1 | I'm not familiar with the term epoic |
| 04:55.11 | somiaj | orangey1: https://packages.qa.debian.org/q/quassel.html -- as you can see on 11-08 they replaced that version 0.11.0-1 with 1:0.10.0-2.2 -- you can look at the lnks to see if you can find the bug/justification but the replaced the newer version with an older version and the epoic is a version thing that makes it greater |
| 04:55.17 | somiaj | 1:0.10 > 0.11 basically |
| 04:55.27 | orangey1 | aha. |
| 04:55.33 | somiaj | they did this because the matainer seemed to see a reason to not support the newer version anymore |
| 04:55.54 | somiaj | you could find that version on snapshot.debian.org if you really wanted it, but it may not be put in debian (might have something to do with bug fixes and the jessie release |
| 04:56.00 | somiaj | well jessie freeze |
| 04:56.44 | orangey1 | aaaah. makes perfect sense. |
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| 04:58.56 | orangey1 | somiaj: thank you so much for taking the time to explain. |
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| 05:01.43 | _FBi | debian 7.6 : I cannot install ssh. wth did I do? |
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| 05:02.41 | _FBi | apt-get install ssh |
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| 05:03.05 | _FBi | openssh-server is not going to be installed |
| 05:03.21 | somiaj | _FBi: sounds like you have conflicting sources |
| 05:03.28 | heurist | _FBi: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 05:03.43 | _FBi | heurist, no avail |
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| 05:03.56 | somiaj | _FBi: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy ssh' at paste.debian.net |
| 05:03.59 | _FBi | somiaj, I do, I can't pastebin -- I'm in a crappy HTML5 session |
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| 05:04.48 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 05:04.49 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 05:05.28 | _FBi | score... |
| 05:06.26 | _FBi | :/ |
| 05:06.32 | _FBi | I cannot find it |
| 05:06.49 | diginet | what would be the best way to do this in bash? So I have this program (pngout) which optimizes PNGs, there are a few different options, and I want to write a shell script which tries all options and then deletes all but the smallest of the output |
| 05:06.57 | heurist | _FBi: then use command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 05:07.40 | somiaj | diginet: ask in #bash? |
| 05:07.47 | diginet | somiaj: oh thanks |
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| 05:10.36 | _FBi | what... the heck |
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| 05:11.34 | _FBi | I can't install curl |
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| 05:12.12 | heurist | dpkg: tell _FBi -about sources.list |
| 05:12.25 | _FBi | that's not the errors I'm getting |
| 05:12.27 | heurist | _FBi: fix your sources.list, update and they try again. |
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| 05:12.38 | _FBi | okay, I will try |
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| 05:44.21 | plinks | FreeBSD has received their largest ever single donation: $1,000,000 USD. |
| 05:45.04 | plinks | take that you deabina BSD wannabees |
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| 05:47.44 | _FBi | :) |
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| 06:01.21 | _FBi | heurist, ++1 sources.list |
| 06:01.28 | _FBi | smh |
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| 06:42.30 | User17 | I am facing an error while connecting libvirt remotely using tls.. I have created CA, client and server certificates with RSA 1024 bit using Openssl. I am using debian linux flavor in both client and server. |
| 06:42.33 | User17 | error: authentication failed: TLS handshake failed A TLS packet with unexpected length was received |
| 06:42.35 | User17 | n source code i found the error line. the return value is 21 |
| 06:42.37 | User17 | ./src/rpc/virnettlscontext.c: ret = gnutls_handshake(sess->session); |
| 06:42.39 | User17 | Below are log details |
| 06:42.41 | User17 | client(Initiator of ssl connection ) : |
| 06:42.45 | User17 | virNetTLSSessionHandshake:1351 : Ret=-21 |
| 06:42.47 | User17 | error: authentication failed: TLS handshake failed A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. |
| 06:42.49 | User17 | In the server side, |
| 06:42.51 | User17 | virNetTLSSessionHandshake:1369 : authentication failed: TLS handshake failed Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite. |
| 06:42.54 | User17 | Please guide me for solving this error |
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| 06:51.16 | _FBi | is the handshake the same on both sides? |
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| 07:00.46 | bOSKE | i just first time install debian |
| 07:01.00 | bOSKE | and no sound how can i fix it |
| 07:01.10 | bOSKE | alsamixer ? |
| 07:02.21 | User17 | _FBi: Means? I got different log error in both client and server |
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| 07:03.03 | User17 | Client side :error: authentication failed: TLS handshake failed A TLS packet with unexpected length was received |
| 07:03.38 | User17 | Server:authentication failed: TLS handshake failed Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite |
| 07:04.18 | _FBi | User17, sorry, I'm tired. I mean is the TLS file the same on both sides? |
| 07:05.13 | User17 | yes yes.. I am sorry |
| 07:05.42 | _FBi | and one is set as server and one as client? |
| 07:05.49 | User17 | yes |
| 07:05.58 | User17 | servercert and client cert |
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| 07:07.14 | _FBi | that's about all I know, sorry. |
| 07:07.26 | User17 | ok thanks |
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| 07:07.49 | _FBi | I create a TLS.key. both server and client get it. I set server as a server 0, and client as a client 1. |
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| 07:22.01 | rustyraptor | I think my package manager is having issues with version numbers here http://pastebin.com/2G3ggtwZ |
| 07:22.48 | _FBi | I just had similar problems... my sources.list was buggered up |
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| 07:24.37 | rustyraptor | here is my sources.list |
| 07:24.39 | rustyraptor | http://pastebin.com/Vq4AdX3n |
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| 07:25.02 | rustyraptor | I added those last two to get flashplayer and nvidia drivers |
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| 07:25.14 | rustyraptor | is there anything I should change? |
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| 07:29.32 | _FBi | I don't see any issue -- but I've been drinking |
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| 08:09.15 | woffs | update to php5-common 5.4.35-0+deb7u1 broke /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean - there is no option -z in my sed |
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| 08:15.54 | Phyliares | woffs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770105 |
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| 08:16.13 | Phyliares | sed in wheezy (v4.2.1) doesn't have -z (AKA --null-data) |
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| 08:16.35 | Phyliares | just remove it, also not a good point for security team :/ |
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| 08:19.47 | JyZyXEL | Phyliares: wow i just woke up with like 12 emails about -z missing |
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| 08:20.12 | Phyliares | JyZyXEL: same here :/ |
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| 08:20.40 | JyZyXEL | i kept hearing "You've got mail!" all morning while i was still in bed :p |
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| 08:21.09 | neilx | I am new to debian... I am followed some instructions on getting a zfs boot system going.. all appeared to install correctly but when I boot I just get a "grub>" prompt ... what should I do now? |
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| 08:22.24 | woffs | neilx: you should not try to set up a zfs root in debian if you are a newbie ;-) |
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| 08:22.58 | neilx | woffs, just to debian ... been using ubuntu a while now. |
| 08:23.38 | woffs | neilx: do you really need zfs boot? better have a separate boot partition for booting, and then zfs root |
| 08:23.40 | Phyliares | neilx: find /boot -name zfs.mod |
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| 08:24.46 | neilx | Phyliares, should I get back into the chroot environment? |
| 08:25.15 | Phyliares | neilx: You have to check if your grub install has ZFS support |
| 08:25.24 | Phyliares | then if this module is loaded |
| 08:25.43 | Phyliares | and if your kernel is compatible and your initramfs too |
| 08:25.57 | neilx | Phyliares, from the grub prompt? |
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| 08:26.02 | EdePopede | Phyliares: the URLs are partially messed up i think. should be ftp. instead of http. for the hostname |
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| 08:26.51 | EdePopede | argh sry... i mean rustyraptor... who isn't here anymore anyway :/ |
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| 08:28.04 | sjamaan | Hello there |
| 08:28.31 | neilx | Phyliares, should I reset the chroot |
| 08:28.38 | sjamaan | One of our machines was upgraded to the latest PHP5 version in Wheezy, and now its session cleaner is breaking |
| 08:28.43 | neilx | Phyliares, should I resetup the chroot |
| 08:28.59 | sjamaan | /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean is now using sed instead of awk, but it uses an unsupported switch for sed! |
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| 08:29.18 | sjamaan | sed: invalid option -- 'z' |
| 08:30.01 | woffs | sjamaan: I was first here ;-) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770105 |
| 08:30.05 | Phyliares | neilx: check grub2 cli doc, i don't use zfs sorry |
| 08:30.12 | sjamaan | Thanks woffs :) |
| 08:30.51 | woffs | thanks Phyliares |
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| 08:34.10 | neilx | Phyliares, ok |
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| 08:37.32 | akar | can I ask question regarding dynamic disk? |
| 08:37.58 | akar | Is it safe to use dd for creating image from harddisk with dynamic disk partition |
| 08:38.11 | akar | I want to create image from the whole hdd |
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| 08:40.20 | JyZyXEL | its kinda of annoying getting so much email about it :\ |
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| 08:46.05 | JyZyXEL | how can they publish patches to stable that break things :\ |
| 08:46.23 | deego | JyZyXEL: talking about php5? |
| 08:46.27 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 08:46.39 | deego | ah, yeah, what's going on with that? a new patch coming out soon? |
| 08:46.58 | JyZyXEL | i kept waking up all trough out the night because i was receiving so much email |
| 08:47.09 | deego | Your email wakes you up!? |
| 08:47.21 | JyZyXEL | accidentally left my speakers on too loud :D |
| 08:47.37 | deego | haha, and you have configured them to alert you to incoming mail? :) |
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| 08:47.46 | JyZyXEL | well sure |
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| 08:48.15 | bOSKE | how can i setup sound on fresh installed debian |
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| 08:48.28 | JyZyXEL | now im thinking im turning that feature off |
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| 09:01.47 | neilx | Phyliares, I got it to boot :-) |
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| 09:03.58 | Phyliares | neilx: congrats ;) |
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| 09:14.12 | Bluewolf | How do I check my system specifications (Hardware) through the terminal. Whats the command? grepi something :D |
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| 09:14.47 | DarsVaeda | hi I get "Cron <root@enterprise> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime)" how can I figure out where that crontab is located? |
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| 09:17.27 | fireba11 | hi, is there any help for fixing the sed error message that got introduced with the latest security patches for php? |
| 09:18.04 | DarsVaeda | just posted about the same error ^^ |
| 09:18.14 | DarsVaeda | did you figure where that cronjob is located? |
| 09:18.27 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.40 | petemc | php5 |
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| 09:19.05 | DarsVaeda | ah thx |
| 09:19.25 | DarsVaeda | hmm sed must be in that "$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime)" or? cause its not in that command |
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| 09:20.43 | DarsVaeda | that is what's in my tab and the error you get: http://pastebin.com/j4pP0M1V |
| 09:20.43 | jelly-home | DarsVaeda: are you not able to look at the contents of that script? |
| 09:20.43 | Phyliares | sed -i 's/zne/ne/' /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean |
| 09:21.34 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 09:21.41 | DarsVaeda | ah |
| 09:21.58 | DarsVaeda | didn't know these are shellscripts |
| 09:22.01 | DarsVaeda | thanks :) |
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| 09:28.32 | Phyliares | Bluewolf: What kind of hardware? |
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| 09:29.06 | Phyliares | You could install lshw package for a global check |
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| 09:43.07 | Bluewolf | Phyliares: Just my computer specifications, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc |
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| 09:45.26 | Raydiation | awesome decision about that GR thing. people seem to be sane overall :) |
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| 09:46.45 | deego | Raydiation: what happened? |
| 09:47.36 | Raydiation | deego: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/ |
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| 09:48.11 | Raydiation | basically packages can depend on systemd |
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| 09:49.04 | deego | Raydiation: thanks. What do these numbers 3.77, etc. mean? |
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| 09:50.35 | deego | So, looking at that arrow diagram, does "Further discussion is needed" win out? |
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| 09:51.30 | deego | ah, text version: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/results.txt |
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| 09:52.41 | deego | hm, I was kinda hoping to run a debian free of systemd. :| |
| 09:53.12 | Raydiation | imo server administration just gets dramatically easier |
| 09:53.33 | Raydiation | i can adminstrate debian in nearly the same way as arch linux |
| 09:53.41 | deego | nice |
| 09:54.12 | Raydiation | and linux apps will be much more likely to run cross distribution without big changes |
| 09:54.30 | Walex | deego: the goal is to have a 'systemd' free of Debian (and other distributions) http://lwn.net/Articles/620902/ :-) |
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| 09:54.54 | jelly-home | Walex: let's not go there. |
| 09:55.05 | deego | Walex: lol lol |
| 09:55.06 | bogus- | omg not the systemd discussion |
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| 09:56.07 | Raydiation | now the only thing left is one cross distro package manager |
| 09:56.58 | jelly-home | Raydiation et al: #debian-offtopic for stuff that's not tech support, please |
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| 09:57.30 | Walex | Raydiation: that "one cross distro package manager" according to Poettering is 'systemd'! |
| 09:57.31 | jelly-home | ESPECIALLY with themes that tend to go flamefestive |
| 09:57.42 | deego | Raydiation: come to that channel, let's talk. |
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| 09:59.04 | Bluewolf | How do I check my Hardware specifications through the terminal. I just need basic information of the motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc. What's the command? |
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| 09:59.30 | Raydiation | hwinfo, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:03.23 | lanca | Hi, I need help in debian wheezy .. I need to install a package called libcelt-dev on my wheezy server - however apt can't find it ... there seems to be a package for squeeze ... I have no idea what I can do now :) |
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| 10:04.29 | SynrGy | ,v libcelt-dev |
| 10:04.30 | judd | Package: libcelt-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.1-1 |
| 10:04.49 | EdePopede | Bluewolf: i had inxi for some time, it's just a python (iirc) script. don't remember where it collect it's info, but it has some verbosity settings too |
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| 10:06.21 | Bluewolf | EdePopede: Ah I just need a terminal Command? |
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| 10:06.23 | SynrGy | lanca: what do you need it for? |
| 10:06.37 | lanca | mumbletune (see on github) |
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| 10:06.56 | lanca | I set up a mumble server on my VPS and want a bot to use my spotify premium api key :) |
| 10:07.04 | SynrGy | can it not build without it? |
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| 10:07.30 | lanca | I installed everything and set it up without that package, but it wont run without it |
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| 10:07.53 | lanca | $ bin/mumbletune -c conf.tina.yaml |
| 10:07.54 | lanca | /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/ffi-1.8.1/lib/ffi/library.rb:123:in `block in ffi_lib': Could not open library 'celt0': celt0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. (LoadError) |
| 10:07.54 | lanca | Could not open library 'libcelt0.so': libcelt0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:07.59 | SynrGy | i don't understand what you mean by "run". a -dev package is for building things |
| 10:08.19 | SynrGy | did you build mumble? |
| 10:08.24 | lanca | no |
| 10:08.32 | SynrGy | then you should, without libcelt |
| 10:08.43 | lanca | https://github.com/elliottwilliams/mumbletune |
| 10:08.54 | lanca | these are the instructions I'm following |
| 10:08.56 | EdePopede | directories under /usr are owned by root:root, only /usr/local ist root:staff (and SGID). i don't remember if it was automatically created, but most of the stuff in it also is root:staff. dpkge-query -S doesn't know it, did i maybe create it manually? |
| 10:09.03 | lanca | I dont think I have to build mumble .. |
| 10:09.28 | SynrGy | i see. probably some gem wants to be built against libcelt |
| 10:09.35 | SynrGy | that's why it's saying you need libcelt-dev |
| 10:09.54 | EdePopede | Bluewolf: indeed. it even has a mode for irc (where it e.g. takes out sensitive data), when called from within xchat at least. and colors (as in "syntax highlightning") if needed |
| 10:10.34 | SynrGy | lanca: file a bug against mumbletune to ask them to make it buildable without libcelt, since it no longer exists in your distribution (and probably many others, too) |
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| 10:10.53 | EdePopede | imho it is a far better solution than some GUI, though it should be possible to pipe it (gtkdialog or whatever) |
| 10:10.56 | lanca | SynrGy: its an old project .. probably inactive .. |
| 10:11.10 | SynrGy | lanca: then download the code and start hacking |
| 10:11.19 | lanca | is there any way to install a squeeze package in wheezy? |
| 10:11.30 | lanca | I really wanna have this bot now :) .. |
| 10:11.54 | lanca | celt is some codec ... |
| 10:11.56 | SynrGy | if it was removed from debian it was because it caused problems. |
| 10:12.43 | lanca | maybe it would work with opus codec instead .. there is libopus-dev in wheezy .. |
| 10:12.54 | Bluewolf | EdePopede: You have me completely lost? |
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| 10:13.01 | lanca | maybe the entire bot would work with that .. but I don't know enough about all this to change that bot |
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| 10:14.07 | SynrGy | shrugs helpfully |
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| 10:17.45 | EdePopede | Bluewolf: how do you mean? but ok, story was: there is /proc and there are some commands like lspci, lsusb cpuid and the like. only, output is quite raw and they have a couple of options. one day i accidentally found inxi (iirc on suckless tools) and it looked good. no gui, no curses, just text output. |
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| 10:20.35 | Bluewolf | EdePopede: All I need is a simple command which will tell me my computer specifications. Just the basics nothing exceptionally technical? |
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| 10:21.04 | Cope | Bluewolf: dmidecode will do that |
| 10:21.21 | Cope | but so will inxi |
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| 10:21.31 | EdePopede | lol, i even have it installed, never saw it before :D |
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| 10:22.11 | Bluewolf | Cope: Okay, so I just enter inix in the terminal? |
| 10:22.31 | Cope | Bluewolf: if you have it installed yeah, and it'll give you high level info about machine, cpu etc on one line |
| 10:22.45 | Cope | less info to parse :) |
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| 10:23.42 | Bluewolf | Cope: I recall a simple code, something to the effect of "grepi-" something which gave me output? |
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| 10:24.50 | Cope | there are loads of ways to get info about your system - you can get it out of proc manually, you can use dmidecode, you can use ohai or facter, you can use inxi... doesn't matter which you use... just pick one and be done with it :) |
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| 10:28.59 | LordDeath | strange. with today's php5 update I get a mail from cron every 30 minutes |
| 10:29.17 | LordDeath | about a wrong sed option |
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| 10:34.19 | saniro | Hi, i'm wondering if it is possible to have a linux dual boot system which uses the same binary base and something like UnionFS. |
| 10:35.02 | Abhijit | saniro, same distro and same version? :-p |
| 10:35.08 | saniro | yes |
| 10:35.18 | saniro | but I want to install different programms |
| 10:35.31 | saniro | which should be saved in a special place like unionfs |
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| 10:37.29 | Walex | saniro: that's possible, but there are downsides. What is commonly done for example for VMs is to have a single RO base image that gets clone copy-on-write in two or more derived ones. |
| 10:37.29 | saniro | to be more precise: there is a template partition including a normal linux installation and for every guest an "unionfs" partion which is merged with the template during the boot process |
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| 10:38.20 | Walex | saniro: what you seem to want is the ability to upgrade the "base" image and those upgrades are reflected in the derived images instead. That's a more risky proposition. |
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| 10:39.07 | saniro | yep, basically thats exactly what I want |
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| 10:39.58 | Walex | saniro: as long as there are no overlaps between the various "images" that might work with UnionFS. But I doubt many have done that. |
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| 10:40.43 | Walex | saniro: we were just having a ncie discussion about Docker and other similar schemes based on clonable c-o-w images BTW... |
| 10:41.29 | Walex | saniro: "no overlaps between the various "images"" I meant actually "no overlaps between the various images and the base image" |
| 10:41.58 | Walex | saniro: of course that is a nearly impossible proposition in many cases. |
| 10:42.13 | saniro | don't worry I got it, but yes I see problems as well for example in the /etc dir |
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| 10:42.27 | Walex | saniro: consider for example the issue of '/etc/passwd' and similar files. |
| 10:44.29 | Walex | saniro: if you are prepared to accept a lesser degree of automagic you can have multiple "roots" using versioning c-o-w filesystems like ZFS or BTRFS or NILFS2. |
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| 10:46.06 | saniro | thanks, i will check this |
| 10:46.09 | Walex | saniro: or you could be interested in this: http://lwn.net/Articles/610067/ :-) |
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| 10:51.49 | Walex | saniro: BTW you and others may find useful this summary I wrote of *why* package management is done: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxWhyPackages.html as I found that a lot of very experienced sysadms sort of never giot around to think about that. |
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| 10:58.55 | LordDeath | with the new php5 update I get an sed error every time /etc/cron.d/php5 gets executed |
| 10:59.29 | LordDeath | it complains about an unrecognized option -- z |
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| 11:00.04 | LordDeath | ah, a new php5 update is out :D |
| 11:01.10 | LordDeath | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00264.html |
| 11:01.40 | SOUL_OF_R00T | bom dia a todos ! |
| 11:01.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning |
| 11:01.49 | SOUL_OF_R00T | wrong tab |
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| 11:02.43 | Walex | SOUL_OF_R00T: in which language does "wrong tab" mean "good day"? :-) |
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| 11:03.21 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok Malex |
| 11:03.48 | Walex | SOUL_OF_R00T: anyhow, "wrong tab" to you too :-) |
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| 11:08.48 | tetatest | Hi, I was bought a service that only allow a IP, the IP that i say, only one, but I need use this from more IP's. I think that I can install in this computer a system to do a transparent proxy for redirect my socks5 requests to this IP from other IP. |
| 11:08.49 | tetatest | For example, I can buy a server and allow this IP in the service, and later use my home or office computer to access using the server as a tunnel. |
| 11:08.52 | tetatest | And I need respect the ports. |
| 11:08.54 | tetatest | My home IP -> Server allowed IP -> Service computer |
| 11:08.56 | tetatest | My home IP does a request to the IP of server (example: 80.90.70.60): curl -x 80.90.70.60:50000 And my server will do a proxy to service computer (example: 100.120.130.110) with the same port (50000) and the response go back to my curl response. |
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| 11:09.02 | tetatest | How can I do this? |
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| 11:10.25 | Almtesh | Hi everyone! |
| 11:10.37 | SOUL_OF_R00T | :) |
| 11:10.56 | yuvadm | trying to netinst debian on a lenovo flex with ath9k device, but it's not recognized, what am i missing? |
| 11:10.57 | jpinx | I'm using wheezy on an eeepc with a wifi connection. I see that when it's connected (network manager) but with no browser running I'm using around 50% of CPU. Top says something called net.agent has multiple instances using varying amounts of cpu. but nothing that totals 50%. What's going on ? |
| 11:11.05 | Almtesh | Does anyone use rdiff-backup? |
| 11:11.12 | BlueEagle | tetatest: Stupid question, but would it not be easier to have the server accept more than one IP, instead of hacking together a gateway? Or is it a reason that it only allows access from one IP? |
| 11:11.26 | BlueEagle | !ask | Almtesh |
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| 11:11.54 | BlueEagle | Almtesh: If you ask the next question (the real one) then you will find out. |
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| 11:12.05 | Walex | tetatest: that would be called NAT/Masquerading, lots of HOWTOs online |
| 11:12.43 | Almtesh | Actually, I have a problem to backup a 139G folder with about 1022469 files in it. |
| 11:13.09 | Almtesh | I wanted to know if the problem comes from rdiff-backup or elsewhere. |
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| 11:13.18 | Almtesh | The problem is for increments. |
| 11:13.25 | Walex | Almtesh: without telling us the problem? Smart move! :-) |
| 11:13.42 | BlueEagle | Almtesh: Are you receiving any error messages? What happens when you attempt to back up the files? What did you expect to happen? |
| 11:14.02 | Almtesh | When I backup this folder, rdiff-backup copies the data, but don't keep old increments. |
| 11:14.29 | Walex | Almtesh: I guess you mean old incrementals... |
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| 11:14.57 | Almtesh | When I start rdiff-backup on the folder, I make a increment, but when I list them (with --list-increments), I only see the current version (from the session I just did). |
| 11:15.32 | Almtesh | Walex, what are "increments" and "incrementals" and the difference between them? |
| 11:15.37 | BlueEagle | Almtesh: So you do a full backup of a folder. Then you do one incremental backup, and then you attempt to make anotehr incremental backup, but the last incremental backup overwrites the first incremental backup? |
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| 11:17.06 | Almtesh | BlueEagle, yes, I only have the current version. |
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| 11:17.33 | yuvadm | anyone have tips for an unidentified ath9k wireless device while netinst'ing? |
| 11:17.34 | tetatest | <BlueEagle> The provider only allow one IP manage reasons :(, i can't change this |
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| 11:18.22 | tetatest | <Walex> the program for do NAT and Masquerading is Squid? |
| 11:18.23 | Walex | Almtesh: An incremental backup is a backup stored as a difference from a previous backup. The "rdiff-backup" author uses "increment" to mean one of the file storing these differences |
| 11:18.35 | BlueEagle | tetatest: I am certain that if you contact the vendor of the service they can do this for you. |
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| 11:19.02 | Walex | tetatest: no, Netfilter/'iptables' more; but you could use Squid for much the same purpose if you only need HTTP access that way. |
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| 11:19.27 | Walex | Almtesh: do you get any error messages? |
| 11:19.38 | tetatest | <BlueEagle> I'm tried this, but he doesnt do :( |
| 11:19.41 | petn-randall | yuvadm: Use an Ethernet cable and install a backports kernel after the installation. |
| 11:19.56 | Malayke__ | dose anyone there? |
| 11:20.05 | Almtesh | While backup, none, while asking incrementals' list (--list-increments), none. |
| 11:20.20 | tetatest | <Walex> I'm tried with Squid but i can't start 5000 listen ports |
| 11:20.20 | Malayke__ | which one focus on RFID Secirity? |
| 11:20.27 | Walex | Almtesh: which command do you use to do the backup? |
| 11:20.37 | tetatest | i will read Netfilter and iptables |
| 11:20.39 | Almtesh | Walex, but there's no "increments". |
| 11:20.42 | petn-randall | Malayke__: This is the Debian support channel. Do you have a question related to Debian? |
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| 11:21.32 | Malayke__ | yes, i use kali-linux, It's base on debian. |
| 11:21.46 | yuvadm | petn-randall: no ethernet on this device (lenovo flex 10) |
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| 11:21.51 | Walex | Almtesh: also look inside the subdirectory "rdiff-backup-data" to see if the "increment" files are there. |
| 11:21.51 | Almtesh | Walex, "rdiff-backup --exclude '**/ati/nt' --verbosity 5 root@192.168.100.200::/data/arch /mnt/save/arch" |
| 11:21.52 | Malayke__ | petn-randall: yes, i use kali-linux, It's base on debian. |
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| 11:22.40 | Walex | Almtesh: what happens if you run the '--list-increments' on 192.168.100.200? |
| 11:22.54 | Almtesh | Walex, I also tryed without the "exclude" option and less verbose. The exclude does not deals about this folder. |
| 11:23.02 | Malayke__ | petn-randall: do u know about RFID? |
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| 11:23.54 | Almtesh | Walex, for the file in "rdiff-backup-data", it exist and it's a directory. |
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| 11:24.08 | Walex | Almtesh: what does it contain? |
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| 11:24.32 | Almtesh | Walex, for the increments listing, you meant "rdiff-backup --list-increments root@192.168.100.200::/data/arch" ? |
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| 11:24.44 | tetatest | <Walex>the trick if i need redirect traffic from 5000 ports in IPTABLES is create 5000 rules for each port? :O |
| 11:24.51 | Walex | Almtesh: yes, that would be a test |
| 11:25.22 | Almtesh | Walex : "Fatal Error: Bad directory /data/arch. |
| 11:25.22 | Almtesh | It doesn't appear to be an rdiff-backup destination dir |
| 11:25.22 | Almtesh | Fatal Error: Lost connection to the remote system" |
| 11:25.27 | tetatest | <Walex> or i can use a inside varible for port? |
| 11:25.30 | Walex | tetatest: you could do that, or you could use dynamic rules, or you could use ranges, or you could NAT/Masquerade all ports |
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| 11:26.10 | petn-randall | !tell Malayke__ -about kali |
| 11:26.27 | petn-randall | Malayke__: Kali is not supported here, check the bot's message for details where you can get help. |
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| 11:27.47 | Almtesh | Walex, do you have a idea. |
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| 11:28.35 | Almtesh | Walex, for information, I use a script and use the same rdiff-backup command for two other folders. |
| 11:28.51 | Walex | Almtesh: you are not totally cooperative... |
| 11:28.52 | Almtesh | Walex, and they perfectly work. |
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| 11:29.01 | Almtesh | Walex, sorry. |
| 11:29.28 | Almtesh | Walex, the "increment" folder, is that? |
| 11:29.38 | Walex | Almtesh: the directory "rdiff-backup-data" should contain the increment files. Your first check should be to see if it does contain something plausible |
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| 11:30.07 | Almtesh | Walex, it contains the same structure, like my other folders. |
| 11:30.13 | Walex | Almtesh: also given the number of files and size you might want to check memory usage and inode usage on both |
| 11:30.38 | Walex | Almtesh: do the folder contain files (the increment files)? |
| 11:30.49 | Almtesh | Walex, I got something. |
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| 11:31.32 | Almtesh | Walex, my other folder contains increments files (regular files) named like that : "increments.2014-11-07T02:00:09+01:00.dir". |
| 11:32.09 | Almtesh | On four, only the three other have these "increments" files. |
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| 11:33.01 | Almtesh | The fourth is the one with which I have the problem. |
| 11:33.26 | Walex | Almtesh: that's a bit of a problem, and means that '--list-increments' reports the correct situation... |
| 11:33.44 | Walex | Almtesh: try 'df -i /mnt/save/arch/.' |
| 11:34.08 | Almtesh | Walex, but, the question is, why rdiff-backup silently crashes on creating the increments regular file. |
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| 11:35.00 | Walex | Almtesh: it could be insufficient memory. |
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| 11:35.59 | Almtesh | Walex, I have 3GB of RAM, I've calculated the storage to have about 20% free disk space. |
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| 11:36.41 | Almtesh | I have version 1.2.8 on server and client. |
| 11:36.57 | Walex | 3GB seems a bit small to me. 32b Linux? |
| 11:38.21 | Walex | Almtesh: try 'df -i /mnt/save/arch/.' |
| 11:38.32 | Almtesh | Walex, client : 3GB RAM, Debian 7 64 bits ; server : 6GB RAM, Debian 6 64 bits |
| 11:39.30 | Almtesh | Walex, sorry, I've distroyed the respos to rebuild it. |
| 11:39.58 | Almtesh | Walex, it takes about six hours, I will come back when it's over. |
| 11:40.08 | Walex | Almtesh: try 'df -i /mnt/save/arch/.' no matter that you deleted it. |
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| 11:40.50 | Almtesh | Sys. fich. Inodes IUtil. ILibre IUti% Monté sur |
| 11:40.51 | Almtesh | /dev/mapper/bakn-save 19660800 661971 18998829 4% /mnt/save |
| 11:41.06 | Almtesh | Walex, of, I understand. |
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| 11:42.05 | Almtesh | Walex, but the other folder are saved on the same mount, in /mnt/save, so if the inode space would be not enought, the other saves would have the same problem, isn't it? |
| 11:42.29 | Walex | Almtesh: so lack of inodes is not a problem right now because it is 20m inodes vs. 1m |
| 11:42.29 | zw | Hi. I'm running 7. I have a I350 intel 10G nic. It is detected in my os. When I remove a CPU from chassis, it is still detected by the bios/chassis, but I don't see it anymore in lspci whatever |
| 11:42.33 | zw | Any ideas ? |
| 11:43.01 | Walex | Almtesh: perhaps it is the last one that gets the problem... |
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| 11:43.53 | Almtesh | Walex, no, arch is the first to be executed, the very first one. |
| 11:44.06 | bahamas | does anyone have experience with building a .deb package for some lua modules? is there any documentation for this specific use case? |
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| 11:44.22 | bahamas | this is a private package, so it won't be available in the debian repos |
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| 11:44.49 | bahamas | I found this http://pkg-lua.alioth.debian.org/policy.html, but I'm not sure if it applies to my use case |
| 11:44.52 | Almtesh | bahamas, why not? |
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| 11:45.41 | cooldharma06 | hi all |
| 11:46.03 | bahamas | Almtesh: well, it uses the prefix lua- for the package, so I assumed it's for public packages |
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| 11:46.23 | cooldharma06 | i am facing "plymouthd:could not start boot splash no such file or directory" it not entering inside |
| 11:46.33 | cooldharma06 | any suggestions or links to solve this error |
| 11:46.35 | cooldharma06 | ? |
| 11:46.44 | Almtesh | Walex, yes, I'm the best for weird problems. |
| 11:47.26 | Walex | Almtesh: you could try 'strace' to look if some operation files while making an new incremental |
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| 11:47.55 | Walex | Almtesh: other odd things that come to mind could be insufficient temporary file space on source or destination. |
| 11:48.01 | Almtesh | Walex, strace on a Python script? |
| 11:48.39 | jelly-home | no, strace on the python interpreter running the script :-) |
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| 11:48.44 | Walex | Almtesh: it has to do system calls like everythibng else... |
| 11:49.04 | Almtesh | Walex, indeed. |
| 11:49.11 | Walex | Almtesh: perhaps 'strace -etrace=file' would be a first test |
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| 11:50.15 | Almtesh | Walex, damn! The strace package must be installed. |
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| 11:50.46 | Walex | Almtesh: it could be a failure on the remote host 192.168.100.200 |
| 11:51.07 | Walex | Almtesh: also check 'dmesg' on both source and target machine. |
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| 11:52.33 | Almtesh | Walex, yes, there's a lot of data to check. |
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| 11:53.10 | Almtesh | Walex, I will do this in the afternoon, I leave for the moment. |
| 11:53.42 | Almtesh | Walex, I thank you for you help and, if you're there when I come back, I will give you some news about it. |
| 11:54.31 | Almtesh | Walex, have a good <insert the name for the moment in your timezone here>! |
| 11:54.33 | Walex | Almtesh: cool, I'll go shopping too |
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| 12:20.21 | mr_foobar_baz | did you receive my message? |
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| 12:21.21 | XiGuLoR | yeap |
| 12:21.52 | yuvadm | arg, anyone know why ath9k device isn't recognizde in netinst? |
| 12:21.58 | mr_foobar_baz | I tried bridge-utils bridge_ports eth0 wlan0, but it doesn't allow bridging the wlan0 interface |
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| 12:22.27 | mr_foobar_baz | I also tried using iptables to connect the two but my playstation couldn't get an ip address |
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| 12:25.31 | yuvadm | or rather: can i use updated compat-wireless with the regular 7.7 netinst? |
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| 12:39.36 | kale | hi i'm considering running kvm and virtual machines, what would be the correct channel for this topic? |
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| 12:41.52 | Catwiesel | hello :) |
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| 12:43.20 | Catwiesel | quick question... how feaseable is it to get some source (for example from git) and install (compile) this over an already installed package? |
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| 12:44.11 | Catwiesel | I know its not the best idea but I have to weigh the pro/con of waiting for the package maintainer to update or to replace the package with the current build |
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| 12:50.36 | mr_foobar_baz | Is it safe to work around bug #770150 by reverting to the previous version of the sessionclean script? https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1281834.html |
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| 12:52.26 | Catwiesel | mr_foobar_baz: try another update/upgrade, i did some earlier, had the php5/ sed -z trouble too, googled a bit and found a post saying that it got fixed already. another upgrade showed php5 packages, installed them, problem gone |
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| 12:52.53 | fundies | Hi. I'm on unstable and it wont let me install build-essential cause " some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming." |
| 12:53.00 | fundies | any workaround? |
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| 12:54.41 | _cyclops_ | Hi :) |
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| 12:56.00 | mr_foobar_baz | Catwiesel: Guess you are right, must have missed that one. Thanks. |
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| 12:57.10 | mr_foobar_baz | _cyclops_: hello |
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| 13:02.54 | XiGuLoR | _cyclops_: two choices : 1 you change the release of the package you created by hand or 2 you setup apt to keep the installed version |
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| 13:03.58 | feisar | Hi, I'm getting the php error from the recent update is the information in this link correct? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/168816/cron-reports-error-in-php5-common-job-after-update |
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| 13:04.30 | brontosaurusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.40 | brontosaurusrex | so apt is not tracking it at all |
| 13:04.46 | mr_foobar_baz | feisar: check if there is another update now |
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| 13:05.14 | feisar | ah! |
| 13:05.21 | XiGuLoR | feisar: a new fixed version of faulty packages are now online, just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and zou |
| 13:05.38 | feisar | great, thanks guys : ) |
| 13:05.40 | brontosaurusrex | Catwiesel: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 13:07.47 | markotitel | what is consequence of removing persistent-net.rules ? |
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| 13:08.46 | jelly-home | markotitel: they get regenerated at next reboot |
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| 13:09.01 | jelly-home | !70 |
| 13:09.01 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
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| 13:11.18 | markotitel | jelly-home, thank you. |
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| 13:18.52 | yuvadm | need to add custom packages to netinst, can i just throw them into /firmware on the USB stick? |
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| 13:19.24 | yuvadm | specifically, i need updated wireless backports for a new-ish network interface (AR9565) |
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| 13:24.57 | caraconan | Hi there. How to rsync recursively including hidden files without having to cd to each directory? Almost done, but includes the current directory. http://paste.debian.net/132502/ Thanks |
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| 13:25.48 | caraconan | Disregard, alreadu done. Thanks |
| 13:26.06 | caraconan | Nope, still the unwanted "one" directory |
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| 13:27.28 | biggi_mat | Hello. I would like to do short-time dns caching - for like 5, 10mins, then let the request pass, again cache the result for couple of mins, etc…Is there a standard, easy, useful, correct way of doing this? |
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| 13:30.15 | caraconan | http://sharadchhetri.com/2012/12/13/rsync-fileshidden-filessymlinkshardlinks-remotes-linux-server/ -> this solved my issue |
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| 13:32.15 | _cyclops_ | XiGuLoR, if i go for option 2, will i still see it in my apt-get upgrade when debian does an upgrade? |
| 13:33.26 | XiGuLoR | Yes, the package will be mentioned as 'keep' |
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| 13:40.33 | caraconan | mmm still no dice. Any rsync recipe to copy hidden files without having to previously cd to source directory? Thanks |
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| 13:50.25 | Almtesh | Walex, I got a idea while eating, the folder that I'm trying to backup is quite static. |
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| 13:53.29 | faekjarz | Hi, sometimes windows in the background become black and then redrawn - is this a known nvidia-bug? |
| 13:53.30 | Almtesh | Pearhaps there's no "increments" file because there's nothing to increment. That's why I try to put a supernumerary file that I will remove after, creating a reason to create a increment. |
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| 13:54.38 | g00se | What happened to sux in Jessie? What do we use now? |
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| 13:57.23 | Almtesh | Walex, I programmed it in the save plan for this night, we'll see tomorow. |
| 13:57.33 | jelly-home | ,v sux |
| 13:57.34 | judd | Package: sux on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-6; squeeze: 1.0.1-6 |
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| 13:57.53 | jelly-home | g00se: gksudo, perhaps? |
| 13:58.13 | g00se | Hmm |
| 13:58.30 | jelly-home | judd: bug rm sux |
| 13:58.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/726544 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: sux -- RoM: Upstream dead, outdated, low popcon»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-16; last modified: 2014-01-30. |
| 13:59.04 | g00se | ,v gksu |
| 13:59.05 | judd | Package: gksu on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.2-5; wheezy: 2.0.2-6; jessie: 2.0.2-7; sid: 2.0.2-7 |
| 13:59.35 | g00se | Thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 14:13.55 | yuvadm | asking again how to netinst on a device which requires updated wireless drivers from backports |
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| 14:14.38 | yuvadm | I would happily install testing but i doubt i'll get a stable system |
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| 14:20.25 | Bartleby | yuvadm: Do you have access to an ethernet connection? |
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| 14:31.18 | g00se | Recommendations guys - if you'd be so kind - i need to support a remote user who can't be expected to set up port forwarding, so VNC is out (for now). Chrome Remote Desktop, which i don't like the idea of anyway, has dependency problems, ditto Teamviewer. Can you recommend something that would require no forwarding. I _would_ accept a once-only use of a web-based thing while i can access his router remotely |
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| 14:32.20 | Cpuroast | g00se: you'd need to use something that uses a server on the internet to broker the connection |
| 14:32.26 | Cpuroast | something like Teamviewer |
| 14:32.31 | Cpuroast | or LogMeIn |
| 14:32.47 | Cpuroast | that way it can go through NAT |
| 14:32.57 | Cpuroast | without any port forwarding required |
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| 14:34.06 | g00se | LogMeIn sounds a possibility |
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| 14:35.28 | g00se | Needs to be good for whatever the opposite of a 'power user' is (?) - do you think that would fit? |
| 14:35.55 | Cpuroast | probably |
| 14:36.00 | Cpuroast | or teamviewer |
| 14:36.10 | Cpuroast | teamviewer offer free 10min sessions |
| 14:36.12 | Cpuroast | at a time |
| 14:36.16 | Cpuroast | if that's enough |
| 14:36.21 | Cpuroast | offers |
| 14:36.29 | Cpuroast | and I think they have a linux client |
| 14:37.01 | pederindi | Hi, I have as a parental control measure to change password, but I would like to make accessible offline applications: drawing, blabla. How to disconnect internet access effectively. I tried stopping services network-manager and networking but is not sufficient. Ideas? |
| 14:37.15 | pederindi | (I have the root user) |
| 14:37.28 | Brigo | g00gz, i think there is something the debian repost which fit your needs, but i can find it. |
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| 14:37.39 | g00se | Yes i use Teamviewer on wheezy but there are deps issues in Jessie 64 |
| 14:38.15 | petn-randall | pederindi: Can you rephrase your question? Do you want to deactivate network access on that machine? |
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| 14:38.28 | g00se | Brigo: i'm all ears |
| 14:38.44 | Nyoxi | yo! is there a way to reconfigure another package in postinst/postremove script? |
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| 14:38.51 | pederindi | petn-randall: yes |
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| 14:39.05 | Brigo | g00gz, i keep searching .) |
| 14:39.25 | petn-randall | pederindi: Is the network configured with ifupdown, or with network-manager? |
| 14:39.37 | petn-randall | Nyoxi: No. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:39.40 | pederindi | petn-randall: network-manager |
| 14:39.56 | petn-randall | pederindi: Then stopping it should also deconfigure the network interfaces. |
| 14:40.07 | Brigo | g00gz, may be this: gitso |
| 14:40.36 | g00se | Ah i've heard of that. Can't remember details though |
| 14:40.39 | Nyoxi | petn-randall: I'm creating a package that installs some CA certificates so I want to run dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates afterwards |
| 14:40.49 | pederindi | petn-randall: is not stopping, perhaps is running with ifup (strange) |
| 14:40.56 | Nyoxi | petn-randall: but maybe that's not the way it should be done |
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| 14:42.04 | Brigo | g00se, it is in the repo, apt-cache show gitso will help :) |
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| 14:42.33 | petn-randall | Nyoxi: I'm betting that ca-certificates has a hook to do that automatically when new certificates are installed. I'd just "try it and see", but if you're curious you can 'apt-get source ca-certificates' and grep for 'trigger' (I think it's called dpkg-trigger). |
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| 14:43.41 | Nyoxi | petn-randall: I did that. the trigger only runs update-ca-certificates, but that is not good enough. /etc/ca-certificates.conf has to be updated first and that's what 'dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates' does |
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| 14:44.44 | g00se | Brigo: Fantastic. I'll look into it, thanks |
| 14:44.46 | Nyoxi | I could update the file in my postinst/postrm scripts, but then ca-certificates might complain on updates |
| 14:44.55 | Brigo | g00gz, good luck :) |
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| 14:47.32 | petn-randall | Nyoxi: I'm pretty sure dpkg-reconfigure will fail during postinst because dpkg is locked. It's also bad practice to change config files of other packages. |
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| 14:49.10 | ledufakademy | how to stop networking with systemctl command ? |
| 14:49.37 | mtn_ | ledufakademy: are you using networkmanager? |
| 14:49.39 | Nyoxi | petn-randall: yes, that's why I'm asking if ther is another way |
| 14:49.57 | ledufakademy | yes, because i've got gnome |
| 14:50.12 | mtn_ | ledufakademy: systemctl stop NetworkManager |
| 14:50.35 | mtn_ | ledufakademy: man systemctl would be useful as well ;) |
| 14:50.41 | ledufakademy | it doesn't stop networking |
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| 14:56.39 | ojaito1 | Not sure where to ask this question, and I'm here, so: how do you recommend monitoring/testing external backup drives that don't have SMART support? |
| 14:56.40 | yuvadm | Bartleby: no ethernet :/ of course i would use that if i could |
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| 14:57.49 | octoid_ | ojaito1: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd?? bs=1m |
| 14:57.59 | octoid_ | s/1m/1M/ |
| 14:58.42 | ojaito1 | octoid_: does that just try to read every byte on the drive, and if it fails, then I have a bad sector? |
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| 14:59.20 | octoid_ | ojaito1: That will fill the device with zeroes, you'll get an error if there is something drastically wrong with it |
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| 15:00.10 | Nyoxi | ojaito1: check man badblocks |
| 15:00.12 | ojaito1 | ok glad i checked. let me rephrase original question: how do you recommend monitoring/testing external backup drives that are **in use**, and that don't have SMART support? i.e., I want to detect when a drive is about tot fail |
| 15:00.23 | Nyoxi | oh |
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| 15:00.28 | octoid_ | ojaito1: ah :) |
| 15:00.48 | Nyoxi | ok, ignore that than ;) |
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| 15:01.18 | octoid_ | You could read the entire device, with dd if=/dev/sd?? of=/dev/null bs=1M - but that is only going to catch serious errors |
| 15:01.24 | octoid_ | ojaito1: ^ |
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| 15:04.02 | ojaito1 | ok thx. anyone else have any other ideas? i mean, this must be a fairly common issue -- how do we monitor drives for imminent failure without SMART; apparently all of the WD passport drives I just bought lack SMART support... |
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| 15:11.52 | petn-randall | ojaito1: Sounds like an XY problem to me. So you have WD passport drives. How do you know they don't support SMART? How are they connected? |
| 15:12.58 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: they are connected via USB; I know because smartctl -i /dev/sd?? says that SMART is not supported |
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| 15:14.30 | petn-randall | ojaito1: Check the '-d' option; something like '-d usbcypress' might work. |
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| 15:14.43 | ojaito1 | thanks, i will try that now |
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| 15:18.11 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: hmmm... -d usbcypress failed with "Device Read Identity Failed: Unknown error"; if I simply run "smartctl -i /dev/sdd1" it has no truble identifying the drive, vendor, product id, serial number, etc, and claims "Device does not support SMART" |
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| 15:21.18 | petn-randall | ojaito1: sdd1? You don't want to use the first partition, you want the actual drive "sdd". |
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| 15:22.43 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: ok, interestingly, when I do "smartctl -i /dev/sdd" it complains "Unknown USB bridge... please specify device type with the -d option" |
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| 15:23.31 | petn-randall | ojaito1: Try through the options the man page offers, one of them will probably work. |
| 15:23.55 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: adding -d usbcypress when checking /dev/sdd complains of a "Device Read Identity Failed"; ok, I will try the man page options; thx |
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| 15:24.16 | JordiGH | Is there a way that given a codepoint I can figure out which font to install? |
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| 15:27.18 | JordiGH | Specifically, I'm looking for a font for this; 🄸 |
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| 15:29.48 | Saubatzen | hi, i want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, after apt-get update apt-get upgrade with the oldstable mirrors from squeeze in my sources.list. Than i changed to "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib" and tried after the second apt-get update with apt-get dist-upgrade but nothing happened. Can anyone guide me a little bit? |
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| 15:30.49 | JordiGH | Screw it: |
| 15:30.52 | JordiGH | apt-cache search ttf- | grep '^ttf' | grep -v non-free | awk '{print $1;}' | xargs sudo aptitude -y install |
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| 15:32.16 | Brigo | Saubatzen, can you paste your source.list in paste.debian.net? |
| 15:32.24 | Saubatzen | sure |
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| 15:32.48 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Theh actual output of both commands would also help. |
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| 15:33.52 | Saubatzen | http://paste.debian.net/132532/ |
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| 15:35.23 | L0aD1nG | when I try to calculate the size of an array which I passed on a function inside the fucntion the results are different why does this happen? |
| 15:35.46 | Brigo | Saubatzen, please paste the output of apt-get update too. |
| 15:36.26 | Brigo | L0aD1nG, wrong channel? this is debian support channel |
| 15:36.29 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Did you run 'apt-get update' after changing the sources list? |
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| 15:37.06 | Saubatzen | http://paste.debian.net/132533/ |
| 15:37.15 | Saubatzen | @ petn-randall everytime yes! |
| 15:38.03 | L0aD1nG | sorry |
| 15:38.22 | L0aD1nG | I am kinda confused, pardon me. |
| 15:38.34 | Brigo | L0aD1nG, np :) |
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| 15:39.01 | Brigo | Saubatzen, try again apt-get dist-upgrade and paste the output |
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| 15:40.38 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: I was able to confirm that SMART is enabled for my WD Passport drives: key was to use "-d sat"; thank you for your help! |
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| 15:41.30 | petn-randall | ojaito1: Wonderful! Glad I could help. |
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| 15:42.46 | choosegoose | when I connect a large monitor to my laptop running Debian, the monitor has this invisible border in the middle that windows snap over, and new windows appear with small dimensions all the way to the right |
| 15:43.25 | Saubatzen | Brigo http://paste.debian.net/132535/ |
| 15:44.15 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: You don't have a prompt? |
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| 15:45.32 | mukmuk | petn-randall, Saubatzen: the volatile repo is not available for wheezy: https://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 15:46.08 | Saubatzen | petn-randall you mean like "would you really update"? |
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| 15:47.01 | jhutchins | choosegoose: Cool! |
| 15:47.14 | Saubatzen | iam really confused about that many urls availlable for the sources.list. Which on is the correct one? |
| 15:47.36 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: I mean your pastes all don't contain a command line prompt. Which makes me wonder how you copy/paste the data. |
| 15:47.47 | petn-randall | !tell Saubatzen -about sources.list |
| 15:47.55 | Brigo | Saubatzen, the outuput of lsb_release -c ?? |
| 15:47.56 | choosegoose | ok: how can I get the monitor to work like a normal monitor would without the behavior I have described |
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| 15:48.02 | choosegoose | described?* |
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| 15:49.11 | Saubatzen | http://paste.debian.net/132536/ @ brigo |
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| 15:49.21 | petn-randall | !tell Saubatzen -about bat |
| 15:49.45 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Check the PM from dpkg regarding the sources.list, and further debug output we need. |
| 15:50.17 | Saubatzen | ok, i will try |
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| 15:55.16 | Saubatzen | so i hope thats ok for you http://paste.debian.net/132538/ |
| 15:56.09 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Err, yeah. You pinned everything to "-1", which is why your system never updates anything. |
| 15:56.23 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: What are the contents of /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 15:56.24 | qwebirc50188 | Is anyone using Btrfs on Debian 7.7 stable or testing? How is that working out? |
| 15:56.31 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 15:56.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 15:57.02 | Brigo | qwebirc50188, i am using it with container, no problems at the moment. |
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| 15:58.03 | Saubatzen | petn-randall http://paste.debian.net/132539/ |
| 15:58.16 | petn-randall | Note that the 3.17 linux kernel received a data loss related fix for BTRFS, which is why it's still not considered production ready. If you want to test it, do it, but have regular backups. |
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| 15:59.03 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Yeah, the last entry is basically saying "apt, I don't want you to consider any packages from any repository, every". |
| 15:59.16 | qwebirc50188 | I would like to use btrfs to avoid data loss, but if it's unstable (still), that defeats the whole porpose. |
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| 15:59.39 | JordiGH | Hm, I have firmware-linux-nonfree installed, but I'm *pretty* sure I don't need it. How can I make sure? |
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| 15:59.56 | petn-randall | qwebirc50188: Which part of BTRFS would help you with that? |
| 16:00.01 | petn-randall | JordiGH: Try it and see. |
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| 16:00.22 | JordiGH | petn-randall: Meh, ok, I'm pretty sure my system will still boot without it. |
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| 16:00.29 | qwebirc50188 | Check summing seems really cool. |
| 16:00.53 | Saubatzen | petn-randall thx for this hint! i will read the document about this file |
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| 16:01.49 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Sure, do that. By default that file is empty, or doesn't exist. You only need that file if you are mixing different repositories, something you should be doing anyway :) |
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| 16:03.39 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: I recommend the following steps: 1) change your sources.list back to the squeeze one 2) remove /etc/apt/preferences 3) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, this will get you to the last state of squeeze 4) change sources.list to wheezy 5) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, this will upgrade you to wheezy. |
| 16:03.51 | petn-randall | Saubatzen: Make sure you read through the release notes for known problems. |
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| 16:06.43 | hjolt | I just installed debian, and I partioned /var /home /tmp etc.. separately; now I am trying to install something to /opt and am getting a no space left on device error. How can all of the space be used up already? |
| 16:07.19 | centrx | hjolt, Each partition has its own size |
| 16:07.31 | petn-randall | hjolt: How large is that partition? |
| 16:07.49 | centrx | hjolt, I would recommend using one partition for the entire disk if you are a desktop user |
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| 16:10.04 | hjolt | I can post my df output, do I just message my paste to dpkg ? |
| 16:10.44 | petn-randall | hjolt: Use http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:11.43 | hjolt | centrx: petn-randall: here is my df -h output, http://paste.debian.net/132541/ |
| 16:12.25 | petn-randall | hjolt: 323 MB is pretty small for the root filesystem. I'd reinstall and make that at least 15 GB for a desktop system. |
| 16:12.26 | hjolt | centrx: petn-randall I see that it says 95% used, but I dont see how it was just created |
| 16:12.47 | hjolt | petn-randall: can I resize without re-installing ? |
| 16:13.09 | hjolt | petn-randall: also, I dont recall seeing partition size options in the default installed |
| 16:13.11 | hjolt | installer* |
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| 16:14.20 | centrx | hjolt, You made some tiny tiny partitions |
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| 16:15.07 | hjolt | centrx: It performed the partitioning automatically, I didnt see options for size or really think about it unti l I saw this error |
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| 16:16.18 | centrx | hjolt, you can resize with parted or gparted, but it might be easier to just reinstall, especially if an important partition is too small for the system to work properly |
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| 16:17.39 | petn-randall | hjolt: The simplest way is to reinstall onto one single partition. If you want learn something new and retain some flexibility regarding your partitioning, I recommend installing Debian onto LVM. |
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| 16:24.19 | g105b | Just updated a package, got the message "yourpackage.conf is different to that of the maintainers, keep your version or maintainers version" and I chose keep your version by accident.... now I want to undo that decision and use the maintainer's... how can I do that? |
| 16:25.14 | petn-randall | g105b: Check the dir where the file is. There should be a second file with ".dpkg-new" attached to it, or something similar. |
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| 16:25.58 | heurist | dpkg: tell g105b -about confmiss |
| 16:26.17 | g105b | petn-randall: I looked there, can't see any extra files. |
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| 16:26.54 | g105b | dpkg: tell g105b about confmiss |
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| 16:32.16 | g105b | heurist: ok so I didn't use --force-confmiss but I do want to use the maintainer's version, is there a way to get out of this situation apart from waiting for the maintainer's package to update? |
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| 16:34.01 | wasp__ | hi all, can anyone point me in the direction of migrating from WAMP 2008 to a LAMP (Debian) server? Am struggling |
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| 16:34.31 | heurist | g105b: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename as the factoid suggest will reinstall the current version and replace the configs with the maintainers version. or you can find the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives and extract the files manually |
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| 16:36.07 | heurist | g105b: since you apparently kept the modified file, the one that the install objected too, you can maybe just aptitude reinstall $packagename and have the same result as the last time you updated. |
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| 16:36.22 | Guest75378 | ciao |
| 16:36.37 | Guest75378 | !list |
| 16:36.37 | dpkg | guest75378: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 16:36.48 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 16:38.06 | heurist | teraflops: did we ever work out what that !list thing was about? |
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| 16:39.14 | teraflops | i do not know heurist but I wonder why that behaviour is so geographicaly localized |
| 16:39.19 | heurist | teraflops: maybe it is from an Italian blog, or the Italian install manual? |
| 16:39.34 | Brigo | i doubt about the manual :) |
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| 16:39.56 | icjs | wasp__, maybe try on stackoverflow |
| 16:40.30 | wasp__ | icjs, thanks, Googling at the moment and am struggling, will check there |
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| 16:42.32 | icjs | wasp__, theres also a wamp subreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/wamp/ but it looks like a ghosttown, try asking your question on r/webdev as i think that is much more popular |
| 16:42.41 | toolz | hello, I am running debian 6.0.10 on a machine with 2 x intel xeon L5640, running game servers, my problem is that CPUs are not balanced, here is a print screen from a htop the second cpu isnt used almost at all in comparation with first - and processes - some of them get to use 100%cpu but average results show that cpu is being used only 15-20% Here is the htop print screen: http://posti |
| 16:42.41 | toolz | mg.org/image/57gsi7357/full/ |
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| 16:43.38 | wasp__ | Thanks again, it just occurred to me that I could probably use a Joomla tool to do the job instead as my site is Joomla based, will probably be much easier :-) |
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| 16:44.25 | lifeofguenter | how can I determine if x86_64-linux-gnu or i386 directory should be used? If I want to automatise a script? |
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| 16:45.18 | icjs | lifeofguenter, the "arch" command is what you need i think |
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| 16:45.49 | rotten777 | Can anyone help me with some LVM/baobab issues? My LV size is 433.GiB and `df -h` shows 233G used but baobab only has about 100gb showing up |
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| 16:45.58 | lifeofguenter | thanks icjs, I have been thinking about it - should I just then append "-linux-gnu" hardcoded? |
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| 16:46.13 | icjs | toolz, 2nd cpu? looks like you have a 24-core server |
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| 16:46.46 | icjs | lifeofguenter, not sure, try it? what is ther script trying to do? |
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| 16:47.56 | toolz | icjs 2 cpus, sixcore |
| 16:47.59 | jhutchins | heurist: Never did get a good explanation. |
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| 16:48.17 | toolz | icjs, 12 cores 1, 12 the other one |
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| 16:48.53 | lifeofguenter | icjs: I want to move libraries into the folder |
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| 16:49.26 | icjs | toolz, 12core x 2cpu: ok that makes sense. btw is that server connected to the web? i think debian 6 updates have dried up |
| 16:49.40 | toolz | I dont understand why do I have problems with the game servers - why they do not use both cpus, and why do I see CPU% 100% on some of the game servers which host a lot of clients since the sistem has a lot of resources available |
| 16:50.03 | toolz | icjs, it is up to date, connected, in production |
| 16:50.41 | icjs | lifeofguenter, maybe as a dry-run just echo the commands to the screen first to see what would be done, then manually try those commands one-byu-one to see if you achieve the result |
| 16:51.18 | lifeofguenter | arch only outputs "x86_64" - the folder though is x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 16:51.40 | lifeofguenter | I can not just append linux-gnu as it will fail with kfreebsd-amd64 |
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| 16:53.04 | icjs | toolz, i don't know the details of the kernel schedular but i think it will use all the cores byd efault if i needs to,. maybe as an experiment run 20 or so counterstrike games (or whatever) and see if htop shows more core utilization |
| 16:53.05 | lifeofguenter | then on some systems arch will output "i686" but the folder is "i386-linux-gnu" |
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| 16:54.26 | icjs | lifeofguenter, there are two basic archs that dirs use afaik: i386 and x86_64 - you can probably safely assume that if it not "x86_64" then to use i386 |
| 16:54.58 | lifeofguenter | icjs: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kfreebsd-amd64/libgearman6/filelist uses x86_64-kfreebsd-gnu |
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| 16:57.25 | heurist | lifeofguenter: maybe uname -m and uname -o will provide enough data to answer those questions. see man uname |
| 16:57.52 | trem0r | Hey all |
| 16:58.10 | icjs | toolz, just in case: debian 6 security updates need a change to sources.list https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/errata |
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| 16:58.23 | lifeofguenter | heurist: well yes of course I could do some if/else or case block ;) - but was wondering if there is just a simple command line call similar to "arch" |
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| 16:58.42 | trem0r | I just set up a chroot sftp for sftp users. It works as intended, sftp users cannot navigate outside of the chroot, but they *can* issue the following: sftp> !command cat /etc/passwd |
| 16:58.42 | trem0r | So |
| 16:58.44 | lifeofguenter | that will just output that bit for me - but I am guessing it does not exist.. still think that is strange |
| 16:58.49 | trem0r | Anyone know how to disable that? |
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| 16:59.42 | ravigehlot | Why isn't "apt-get remove boinc boinc-manager" not removing the directories in /var/lib/boinc-manager? Shouldn't apt-get remove all/anything related to a package? |
| 17:00.28 | rotten777 | if you purge it, it'll destroy configs too |
| 17:00.30 | heurist | ravigehlot: try adding --purge |
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| 17:00.48 | jhutchins | I don't have an entry for "Printing" under System/Administration - any idea what I need to install? |
| 17:00.49 | ravigehlot | got it |
| 17:00.50 | ravigehlot | thanks! |
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| 17:01.28 | icjs | lifeofguenter, not sure how generic you can make it, there may be something in "uname -a" to allow you to get the "kfreebsd-gnu" bit |
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| 17:02.38 | lifeofguenter | trem0r: interesting, would like to know a solution for that as well |
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| 17:03.12 | lifeofguenter | icjs: basically I want to do something like this cp /usr/lib/`arch`/... - but anyway ok not possible ;) |
| 17:03.19 | icjs | jhutchins, i've done linux printing using CUPS https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting - it gives you a web gui to control and configure printers |
| 17:03.20 | karlpinc | Any clue what the hope is of getting bug #770163 fixed quickly? Every system running php 5 on wheezy is going to get cranky emails from cron every half hour until it's fixed. |
| 17:04.00 | elmoco | how do i start icecast2 in debian |
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| 17:04.47 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Try visiting localhost:631 |
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| 17:05.10 | karlpinc | http://localhost:631 |
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| 17:05.31 | trem0r | lifeofguenter, I'll keep you posted if I find anything |
| 17:05.46 | heurist | karlpinc: is that issue not fixed in php 5.4.35-0+deb7u2 ? |
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| 17:06.05 | elmoco | how do i start icecast2 in debian for linode |
| 17:06.05 | karlpinc | heurist: Dunno. Not fixed in the bts. |
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| 17:06.20 | jhutchins | icjs: Yeah, I'm thinking cups, but I'm trying to work within the Gnome defaults for now. |
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| 17:06.59 | elmoco | hi people |
| 17:07.06 | karlpinc | elmoco: It should either start when you install the package, or see the readme.debian, or frob something in /etc/default/icecast* |
| 17:07.11 | karlpinc | elmoco: Patience. |
| 17:07.13 | icjs | lifeofguenter, yeah, there might be a way. the system kernel libs for me are in /lib/i386-linux-gnu and you prolly need that "i386-linux-gnu" - but i have no idea how to get that string |
| 17:07.21 | karlpinc | !tell elmoco about readme.debian |
| 17:07.47 | heurist | karlpinc: what does apt-cache policy php5 tell you? |
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| 17:08.04 | icjs | you will generally always have a /lib/<arch-stuff> dir though on any system, how to parse that is another question |
| 17:08.05 | lifeofguenter | icjs: exactly. strange though I am currently trying to find a google query to shed some light on it |
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| 17:09.21 | Blakney | I was just wondering: I noticed that Firestarter shows Activity 0,1 - 0,2 kb/s even if there is no window open. Is there a way to find out what kind of traffic that is? |
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| 17:11.10 | dindinx | ok, so debian won't be usable anymore in a very near future. |
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| 17:11.33 | karlpinc | heurist: Fixed. Thanks for the help. |
| 17:11.52 | Brigo | dindinx, why? |
| 17:11.52 | dindinx | thanks for all the people who screwed this wonderful OS. Time to use something else. |
| 17:11.56 | dindinx | So long. |
| 17:11.56 | socomm | dindinx: huh? |
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| 17:12.10 | Blakney | uh!? |
| 17:12.17 | dgm816 | i assume thats a systemd reference |
| 17:12.19 | centrx | durr!? |
| 17:12.19 | dondelelcaro | it's just systemd trolling. |
| 17:12.23 | Omilun | hello |
| 17:12.26 | socomm | I'm guessing s/he is referring to systemd. |
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| 17:12.46 | icjs | hmm, wonder why he said that? |
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| 17:12.58 | socomm | But yeah good luck using linux if you don't like systemd, it'll be a cancer slowly engulfing Linux. |
| 17:13.12 | Brigo | socomm, not debian. |
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| 17:13.35 | socomm | Brigo: AFAIK Debian will be encorporating sytemd in future releases. |
| 17:13.35 | Brigo | you can still use systemvinit in jessie. |
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| 17:13.52 | Omilun | i have a problem for set Persian lang on gedit ... i can not tipe persian |
| 17:13.53 | Brigo | socomm, you already have systemd in wheezy. |
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| 17:14.09 | jhutchins | !systemd |
| 17:14.09 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
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| 17:14.15 | teraflops | oh boy get that shit to offtopic |
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| 17:14.34 | socomm | Brigo: There you go "will be default init system in debian 8" |
| 17:14.36 | karlpinc | heurist: FWIW, it's a Rackspace vps. They do their own mirroring, even of security. Perhaps for good reason. But it's not working out so well at the moment. :-( |
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| 17:15.17 | icjs | Omilun, assuming you have your system panguage set to persian, then isn't it "Tools > Set Langauge" in gedit? |
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| 17:15.49 | Omilun | yes but i have not persian on that |
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| 17:16.18 | Brigo | socomm, but not the only one, you can update from wheezy and not using systemd at all. |
| 17:16.24 | karlpinc | Omilun: You could try #debian-ir. I'm sure they'd know how to fix persian problems. |
| 17:17.08 | Omilun | #debian-ir have a member lx sameer |
| 17:17.11 | Omilun | yes? |
| 17:17.17 | socomm | Brigo: Right .... but it will be the default. |
| 17:17.52 | teraflops | socomm: then change of distro |
| 17:17.58 | wjtaylor | what is this about?: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 17:18.04 | Brigo | socomm, of course, but you have still the freedom of using systemvinit. |
| 17:18.06 | wjtaylor | that's from sudo apt-get update |
| 17:18.10 | socomm | teraflops: Change distro? |
| 17:18.21 | teraflops | yeah or OS socomm |
| 17:18.22 | socomm | teraflops: I don't use debian exclusively, but thanks for the advise. |
| 17:18.23 | karlpinc | wjtaylor: Perhaps some mirrors are not available or not responding. |
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| 17:18.39 | socomm | teraflops: you are a very smart person |
| 17:18.43 | dondelelcaro | Omilun: you have aspell-fa; installed, right? |
| 17:18.55 | teraflops | socomm: as much as you |
| 17:19.30 | socomm | teraflops: I can only aspire to be as smart |
| 17:19.32 | teraflops | socomm: so if you don like use fucking windows or whatever |
| 17:19.43 | socomm | teraflops: watch your language |
| 17:20.44 | dondelelcaro | socomm, teraflops: take this elsewhere or stop, please. |
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| 17:20.51 | teraflops | socomm: i use the OS as it is, if I don like i stop using. if you don like just use whatever but stop talking shit |
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| 17:21.09 | teraflops | dondelelcaro: srry |
| 17:21.14 | socomm | dondelelcaro: uh |
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| 17:21.36 | socomm | teraflops: Thats good. |
| 17:21.38 | icjs | Omilun, sorry no clue: you could try the #gedit channel on irc.gnome.org |
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| 17:22.06 | icjs | Omilun, theres also a mialing list etc detailed on https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit |
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| 17:24.36 | icjs | teraflops, stop with the curse words please |
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| 17:25.58 | wjtaylor | my amanda account is disabled and will not re-enable. There was no password and no login for it. I had to SU to root and SU to amanda. Is there now a security policy that requires a password or something? I'm trying to figure out what changed... |
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| 17:26.35 | dondelelcaro | wjtaylor: amanda is usually a system user, so it shouldn't have a valid password. |
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| 17:26.43 | socomm | wjtaylor: Does amanda have a shell? |
| 17:27.04 | socomm | wjtaylor: 'amanda' might just be a service account which doesn't allow log-in. |
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| 17:27.28 | socomm | wjtaylor: I other words you won't be able to 'su' onto the account. |
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| 17:29.29 | wjtaylor | socomm: No it's for backups, you must be the amanda user. It won't run from root. I've always SUed to root and then SUed to amanda. Amanda never had a shell or password. Now the system wants one. C'est la vie. |
| 17:30.21 | socomm | wjtaylor: Well if you were able to 'su' onto the account it means the account had a shell associated to it, so .... |
| 17:30.36 | socomm | wjtaylor: What changed? Update? Upgrade? Re-install? |
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| 17:31.27 | wjtaylor | socomm: It must have been an update... but not of amanda. I installed from their distro, not debian's. |
| 17:31.53 | wjtaylor | I find Deb 7 very flakey. I hear how rock solid it is, but that is far from my experience, compared to 6. |
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| 17:32.01 | wjtaylor | I'm scared of 8. |
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| 17:32.47 | lifeofguenter | icjs: gcc -print-multiarch :) |
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| 17:33.23 | socomm | wjtaylor: I haven't had any problems with it, to be honest |
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| 17:34.24 | icjs | lifeofguenter, yay! :-) now blog this discovery so google can find it for the next person who asks |
| 17:34.30 | socomm | wjtaylor: Generally speaking Debian updates will not modify your users configuration, so it may have been an Amanda update. |
| 17:34.48 | wrksx | guys, someone here told me about a package that could keep my system clock in sync |
| 17:34.58 | wrksx | I forgot about its name =) |
| 17:35.06 | wrksx | anybody can give me a hint ? |
| 17:35.16 | heurist | dpkg: tell wrksx -about ntp |
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| 17:35.20 | icjs | wrksx, ntp or ntpdate |
| 17:35.25 | wjtaylor | no passwd entry for amanda |
| 17:35.29 | wrksx | thanks guys |
| 17:35.39 | socomm | wrksx: ntpd |
| 17:36.17 | socomm | wjtaylor: was there every an entry? also can you paste the amanda entry of your users file? |
| 17:36.48 | wjtaylor | socomm: yes. That's how I've been backing my system up for years. |
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| 17:37.13 | wrksx | hum |
| 17:37.22 | wrksx | looks like openntpd is already installed |
| 17:37.26 | wrksx | but clock is wrong |
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| 17:37.32 | wrksx | or maybe my watch is... |
| 17:37.39 | wjtaylor | Can backula backup to removeable HDD and do bare metal recovery? |
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| 17:38.22 | wrksx | is it Wed Nov 19 17:40:05 UTC 2014 ? |
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| 17:38.44 | wrksx | my watch shows 38 but used to be right |
| 17:38.45 | icjs | wrksx, it can take a few minutes to get in sync |
| 17:38.59 | wrksx | icjs: it was already installed in fact |
| 17:39.03 | heurist | wrksx: 38 is closer to correct at the time you asked |
| 17:39.05 | socomm | wjtaylor: Not sure, clonezilla can do baremetal backup/recovery. |
| 17:39.08 | icjs | 38 here |
| 17:39.13 | wrksx | ok |
| 17:39.21 | wrksx | so I need to trigger a ntpd sync |
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| 17:39.38 | socomm | wrksx: ntpd runs in the background as a service |
| 17:39.56 | wrksx | socomm: so there's no way to trigger it manually |
| 17:40.00 | wrksx | is there ? |
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| 17:40.22 | heurist | wrksx: maybe remove openntp and install ntp, it has more features, including -g to force a immediate update |
| 17:40.24 | icjs | wrksx, if you have root, i think restarting the service with re-sync |
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| 17:40.39 | wrksx | heurist: ty |
| 17:40.44 | wrksx | icjs: I'm gonna try that |
| 17:40.47 | icjs | i've always used ntp tbh, never heard of the openntpd until now |
| 17:41.14 | wrksx | icjs: looks like it is default package on my wheezy install |
| 17:41.43 | heurist | wrksx: openntp is not the "default". |
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| 17:41.53 | anon28461 | hello. What is easiest way to turn my audio card into oscilloscope for low-frequency signal? is there any package for this? something like ll-scope or oscilloscope ? |
| 17:42.03 | wrksx | heurist it is on my install |
| 17:42.13 | icjs | wrksx, that suprises me if its true, in my years of experience it is ntp |
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| 17:42.31 | wrksx | icjs: I installed from my hosting company |
| 17:42.43 | wrksx | maybe they choosed it over ntp |
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| 17:42.49 | benjamindees | my clock is set incorrectly, and every time I fix it and reboot something helpfully "fixes" it back |
| 17:43.18 | wrksx | icjs: can't find info about re-sync, can you elaborate a bit on that matter ? |
| 17:43.19 | motoflipside | I have Debian Wheezy installed. Iceweasel is displaying the Firefox logo on the default home page. I have not installed any new themes or done any customization. What gives? |
| 17:43.25 | heurist | benjamindees: sounds like your CMOS clock is wrong. |
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| 17:43.55 | icjs | wrksx, just tru restarting it with "service openntpd restart" |
| 17:44.07 | wrksx | icjs: ah |
| 17:44.11 | wrksx | ok =) thx |
| 17:44.31 | benjamindees | apparently there is no longer a program that will actually, you know, show the actual value of the hardware clock |
| 17:44.42 | wrksx | damn |
| 17:44.48 | wrksx | still two minute forward |
| 17:45.01 | heurist | benjamindees: hwclock ? |
| 17:45.14 | icjs | give it a few mins, if its still out after 10mins then check the ntp sources in its config |
| 17:45.24 | motoflipside | anyone? |
| 17:45.52 | wrksx | icjs: is date -u a good check ? |
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| 17:46.18 | icjs | wrksx, or its log file (or general system log) - there is a chance it's not syncing for some reason or if the hosting company installed it then they ,ay have pointed it to their own ntp server which may be on the firtz |
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| 17:46.29 | heurist | motoflipside: the homepage is a webpage, it gets its data from snippets.cdn.mozilla.net |
| 17:46.30 | benjamindees | heurist, "The time shown is always in local time, even if you keep your hardware clock in coordinated universal time" |
| 17:46.33 | icjs | just "date" on its own |
| 17:46.52 | wrksx | kk |
| 17:46.55 | wrksx | ty |
| 17:46.57 | icjs | for me: Wed Nov 19 17:46:50 GMT 2014 |
| 17:46.59 | petn-randall | motoflipside: It's probably a bug. |
| 17:47.05 | wrksx | me Wed Nov 19 18:48:54 CET 2014 |
| 17:47.18 | heurist | benjamindees: if your clock is not local then set /etc/adjtime to UTC |
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| 17:47.35 | benjamindees | heurist, it's set already |
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| 17:47.58 | icjs | wrksx, have to go now but if all else fails after 10mins, then remote openntpd and install package ntp |
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| 17:48.05 | motoflipside | heurist, On a page reload, it may (not all the time) display the Iceweasel logo for a fraction of a second, then the Firefox logo appears. Is that normal? |
| 17:48.07 | icjs | remove |
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| 17:48.28 | heurist | benjamindees: hwclock --utc will display it as though it is UTC |
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| 17:48.40 | icjs | bye all |
| 17:48.41 | wrksx | icjs: ok thank you |
| 17:48.47 | wrksx | bye |
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| 17:49.21 | heurist | motoflipside: the Firefox logo that loads just after you display the page probably comes from the web |
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| 17:50.15 | heurist | motoflipside: yes, that is what I see too, but I see Iceweasel logo and then a vidio link replaces it. |
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| 17:50.30 | benjamindees | apparently setting the time with 'date' does nothing |
| 17:50.45 | benjamindees | so I'm going to try 'hwclock -w', reboot and see if that works |
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| 17:51.10 | heurist | benjamindees: best place to set the hardware clock is in the BIOS setup menu at boot time. |
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| 17:51.36 | benjamindees | heurist, you can't be serious |
| 17:51.41 | motoflipside | petn-randall, *probabbly* a bug? then it follows that debian developers should not have wasted their time rebranding Firefox and making the start page the way it was, right? |
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| 17:52.02 | benjamindees | this shouldn't be this difficult. why would 'date' not set the cmos time? |
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| 17:52.47 | heurist | benjamindees: date should never do that. but hwclock -w should, if your hardware allows it. |
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| 17:53.02 | wjtaylor | how do i access the trash in gnome 3? |
| 17:53.10 | benjamindees | is the time not synced on shutdown? what is the purpose of 'date' then? |
| 17:53.34 | motoflipside | heurist, at at start up or on a page reload, icewasel may (not all the time) display the Iceweasel logo for a fraction of a second but after that fraction of a second i am stuck with the firefox logo and the firefox start page! |
| 17:53.44 | heurist | benjamindees: date is to set the system time. your hardware does not even need to *have* have RTC |
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| 17:54.29 | benjamindees | is there a package I'm missing that will sync the time on shutdown? |
| 17:54.38 | heurist | motoflipside: yes, about:home page gets its data from the web. I never look at it, I look at real pages. (: |
| 17:55.01 | wrksx | AHA ! removed openntpd and installed ntp: clock sync right away |
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| 17:55.08 | motoflipside | heurist, then it follows that debian developers should not have wasted their time rebranding Firefox and making the start page the way it was, right? |
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| 17:55.25 | wrksx | I don't respect OpenBSD project anymore |
| 17:55.40 | centrx | benjamindees, time is synched on boot |
| 17:56.09 | dondelelcaro | motoflipside: we don't actually distribute the firefox logo, so if you see it, something else is wrong |
| 17:56.25 | heurist | motoflipside: the world has changed in the decade since that was. |
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| 17:56.31 | GNU\colossus | jessie settling for Linux 3.16 with kernel.org having already discontinued support for that release doesn't seem like the wisest of decisions, effort-wise, does it? |
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| 17:57.14 | dondelelcaro | oh; we're talking about about:home. Never mind. |
| 17:57.49 | motoflipside | dondelelcaro, i SEE the firefox logo and the logo does not go away unless i start browsing. |
| 17:57.56 | benjamindees | centrx, why would it be synced on boot but not on shutdown?? |
| 17:57.57 | icjs | wrksx, glad to here it :) (i am still here for a minute) |
| 17:57.58 | centrx | GNU\colossus, See #3 at https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html |
| 17:58.28 | motoflipside | dondelelcaro, so debian is using and distributing the firefox logo |
| 17:58.49 | GNU\colossus | centrx, thanks |
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| 17:59.05 | motoflipside | dondelelcaro, can you replicate on your wheezy computer what i just reported? |
| 17:59.06 | wrksx | icjs: =) |
| 17:59.08 | heurist | motoflipside: that logo is on the web, on the mozilla site. that is how the web works |
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| 17:59.42 | wrksx | ty buddy |
| 18:00.17 | dondelelcaro | motoflipside: no, it's not |
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| 18:00.57 | motoflipside | heurist, correct me if i am wrong but (by default) the firefox logo should not be displayed when you start firefox up |
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| 18:01.33 | heurist | motoflipside: does it matter? I have no opinion in this subject. |
| 18:01.34 | dondelelcaro | motoflipside: it's only displayed because it is getting the logo from mozilla.com |
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| 18:04.08 | hunt_ | howdy #debian, im experiencing kernel panics after lets say an hour or so of using pdf browsers and such things, random amounts of time after watching youtube videos, and 7 minutes of playing games. sounds like an overheat problem? dont believe it is, ive stress tested my cpu and gotten no problems |
| 18:04.26 | centrx | Does sound like a hardware problem |
| 18:04.32 | dondelelcaro | hunt_: could be overheating, undervolting, bad ram, etc. |
| 18:04.39 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: ive done memtest |
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| 18:04.46 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: should have picked those things up, no? |
| 18:04.52 | dondelelcaro | hunt_: maybe not |
| 18:04.53 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: i have no dedicated gpu |
| 18:05.01 | Igneous | linagee: I know of a few companies that have VM disk images on a san and use anti-viruses to scan the share.. apparently that can pass for the requirement |
| 18:05.01 | Voyager82 | Hello. I don't know if this the proper channel to ask. I'm currently using Debian LXDE. I've bought a new LCD monitor, since my old CRT one broke. I've noticed that YouTube videos are more "jerky" now. I can't understand what the problem is. I thought it may to related to the drivers of the video card. Is so, what can I do? |
| 18:05.02 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: so then whats the next step? |
| 18:05.18 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: if memtest didnt pick it up, how else could i scope it out? |
| 18:05.24 | hunt_ | Voyager82: like screen tearing? |
| 18:05.45 | Voyager82 | hunt_, what do you mean by "tearing"? |
| 18:05.57 | hunt_ | Voyager82: a line appears accross the screen |
| 18:06.01 | dondelelcaro | hunt_: with difficulty, unfortunately. But I'd first try using sensors or similar to see what the hardware is doing when it starts to fail |
| 18:06.07 | hunt_ | Voyager82: not a solid colored line but the images seem off |
| 18:06.25 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: by the way, it only happens with opengl games |
| 18:06.36 | Voyager82 | Well, it seems like the frame rate is very slow. |
| 18:06.37 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: so to me it sounds like an integrated graphics problem |
| 18:06.57 | hunt_ | Voyager82: whats your cpu/gpu set up |
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| 18:07.27 | frostschutz | Voyager82, some LCD have issues with ghosting, slow response times, input lag, ... |
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| 18:07.45 | Voyager82 | Mine is an old Pentium 4. My video card is an old nVidia. |
| 18:07.46 | dondelelcaro | hunt_: could be; are these actual kernel panics? get a dump of them to a serial console, and that might be useful. |
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| 18:08.26 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: they are complete kernel panmics, how could i get a dump of them? they dont leave a trace in dmesg if thats what you meant |
| 18:08.34 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: or journalctl |
| 18:09.38 | dondelelcaro | that's why you use a serial console |
| 18:09.47 | Voyager82 | Is it related to the driver? Is there something practical that I can do? |
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| 18:10.33 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: could i set up my laptop as a serial console? |
| 18:11.09 | frostschutz | Voyager82, you could try a few live cds just to see if it's any better there. if not, it may just be the monitor |
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| 18:11.26 | linagee | Igneous: linux anti-virus seems shady. I'd want to audit every single move it did to make sure that it wasn't a virus itself. heh. |
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| 18:12.06 | Voyager82 | Mine is a nVidia GeForce 2 MX |
| 18:12.11 | hunt_ | dondelelcaro: im not familiar with serial consoles, could you please help me |
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| 18:14.40 | Voyager82 | I've heard that the problem might be that the new monitor has a better resolution, and that the CPU/GPU needs more resources to elaborate the images, and that, therfore, the frame rate gets lower. If so, is there any "trick" to solve the problem, maybe selecting a worse resolution? |
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| 18:21.22 | mofino | Voyager82, yes if your res is higher it's going to take more resources to render it |
| 18:22.00 | benjamindees | "The hardware clock can therefore be adjusted for drift when the command hwclock --adjust is run; this also occurs on shutdown but only if the hwclock daemon is enabled (hence for systems using systemd, this does not happen). " |
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| 18:24.06 | benjamindees | heurist, centrx ^^ |
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| 18:25.17 | centrx | Is this about systemd |
| 18:25.38 | benjamindees | well it's a Jessie system so I assume so |
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| 18:31.04 | Voyager82 | Hello, I'm using an old Pentium 4 (2Khz), and I have an old Invidia GeForce 2 MX as video card. Recently I bought a new LCD monitor (Samsung S24D300), since my old CRT monitor broke. Now, I'm experiencing problems when I play YouTube videos. The actual frame rate is very slow. (I had never experienced this problem before.) I tried to solve the problem, setting a worse resolution, but it didn't work. Any suggestion? |
| 18:32.11 | mofino | Voyager82, did the resolution actually go down? |
| 18:32.21 | Voyager82 | mofino, no. |
| 18:32.25 | Voyager82 | I don't know. |
| 18:32.28 | mofino | then why are you asking the same thing... |
| 18:32.41 | mofino | is your monitor blurry? |
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| 18:34.50 | mofino | Voyager82, you'll know when the res is lower, monitor will probably be blurry if it scales the lower res to the native res |
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| 18:36.11 | Voyager82 | mofino, I think I can't choose any resolution different from the 16:9 ratio. |
| 18:36.22 | mofino | Voyager82, then pick a 16:9 res |
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| 18:37.01 | mofino | Voyager82, probably have to go to something like 1280x720 |
| 18:37.12 | Voyager82 | The only other resolution available is 1600:900, but I din't notice much difference. |
| 18:37.22 | mofino | still too high for that card |
| 18:37.31 | Voyager82 | 1280 divided by 720, does not make 16:9. :) |
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| 18:37.44 | mofino | Voyager82, whatever the proper numbers are |
| 18:37.48 | mofino | 720p |
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| 18:38.26 | Voyager82 | mofino, the two resolutions available from the menu are these two. |
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| 18:52.59 | GNU\colossus | looking for a cli-only audio player in wheezy that has pulseaudio support (not mplayer2?) - recommendation? |
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| 18:54.27 | centrx | GNU\colossus, mpv ? |
| 18:54.33 | GNU\colossus | centrx, not in wheezy |
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| 18:54.47 | centrx | vlc ? |
| 18:54.47 | mofino | mpg123 still around? |
| 18:54.58 | GNU\colossus | mofino, doesn't support pa natively, afaik |
| 18:55.17 | mofino | who uses PA? |
| 18:55.25 | mofino | aside from you |
| 18:55.42 | atomi | if i do build myapp > build.log can I supress the ascii coloring escape sequences somehow? |
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| 18:55.51 | mofino | apt-cache search mpg123 shows some options |
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| 18:56.49 | MBach_ | Hi |
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| 18:58.26 | jelly-home | mofino: PA as in puleaudio? |
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| 18:59.07 | mofino | jelly-home, yeah |
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| 18:59.36 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: all alsa apps should default to the pulseaudio device if it's running, why do you care about native support? |
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| 18:59.39 | Salr_ | hi |
| 18:59.50 | dsockwell | Is there a proper and sanctioned way to get a 3.17 kernel on a Wheezy box? I see it in experimental, is that the right source? |
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| 19:00.42 | GNU\colossus | jelly-home, the PA client seems to not relay PA-related metadata to the PA server that way (like the artist name, for instance) |
| 19:00.44 | jelly-home | dsockwell: that's, at present time, the only source to grab a compiled one in debian |
| 19:00.58 | dsockwell | ok cool. geronimo then |
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| 19:01.07 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:01.18 | Salr_ | I have some problems to extract files from a .rar. I'm using both the "rar" and "unrar-free" but I get an error. What tools do you recommend that work ? |
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| 19:01.28 | GNU\colossus | building your own custom kernel Debian package is trivially easy these days though |
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| 19:01.39 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: oh. Right. You get the app name. |
| 19:02.18 | jelly-home | not sure how cvlc would fare there |
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| 19:02.29 | motoflipside | dondelelcaro, are you running a fully updated wheezy? is the logo you get on the start page whenever you fire iceweasel the firefox logo? |
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| 19:02.40 | jelly-home | ,v mpv |
| 19:02.41 | judd | Package: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.6.2-2; experimental: 0.6.2-2+ffmpeg; sid-multimedia: 1:0.6.2-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.6.2-dmo1 |
| 19:02.46 | GNU\colossus | jelly-home, hm, might give it a try. thanks for your input, it is, as always, appreciated :) |
| 19:03.01 | NGC3982 | Hi guys. I can't seem to find how to install libsdl2-dev on Debian. |
| 19:03.01 | NGC3982 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libsdl2-dev |
| 19:03.01 | GNU\colossus | I use mpv on jessie and it's great |
| 19:03.02 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: vlc-nox package I think |
| 19:03.08 | NGC3982 | I can't seem to find it with apt-get. |
| 19:03.10 | GNU\colossus | but I don't feel like upgrading this box yet |
| 19:03.12 | NGC3982 | What do i do? :) |
| 19:03.15 | bierdieb | as i change the language from german to english (via settings on gnome), logoff to aplly settings... the terminal doesnt start anymore. i guess i need to change its language on a separte way. who knows how to do that? |
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| 19:03.25 | centrx | NGC3982, If you are running wheezy, use backports to get that package |
| 19:03.32 | centrx | dpkg, tell NGC3982 about wheezy-backports |
| 19:03.34 | jelly-home | I wonder. |
| 19:03.38 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport mpv |
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| 19:03.57 | judd | Backporting package mpv in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liblcms2-dev (>= 2.6~), libquvi-dev (>= 0.4.1-2.1), libxkbcommon-dev [linux-any]. |
| 19:04.34 | NGC3982 | centrx: I think i get it. Thank you for your fast response. |
| 19:04.43 | jelly-home | well I backported quvi, but have no idea about all that other stuff. No low hanging fruit there |
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| 19:06.07 | dsockwell | GNU\colossus: I've done it, and I'd rather someone else at least try to write the config for me. I just want one bugfix, really, and would rather not go through the process of customizing. |
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| 19:09.05 | NGC3982 | After adding something in the sources.list, do i need to reload or update apt-get? |
| 19:09.19 | GNU\colossus | apt-get update will fetch the new lists |
| 19:09.21 | NGC3982 | Ah, an update. |
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| 19:09.43 | NGC3982 | Perfect. Thank you guys. :-) |
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| 19:13.53 | bierdieb | dpkg-reconfigure locales does not show up other chouces as german....? |
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| 19:21.04 | jhutchins | bierdieb: People in debian-de might be more familiar with those settings. |
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| 19:22.13 | [TheFlash] | hi, there's a problem with kvm on wheezy, BSD kernels seem to crash while calling rdmsr() |
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| 19:24.28 | centrx | [TheFlash], Do you have the latest version of kvm in wheezy? Check bugs.debian.org/kvm for related bugs? |
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| 19:25.08 | [TheFlash] | centrx: it's the latest one available in the wheezy repository |
| 19:25.36 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:25.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 19:26.11 | [TheFlash] | centrx: that page tells me: No reports found! |
| 19:27.00 | centrx | [TheFlash], Is it qemu-kvm? bugs.debian.org/qemu-kvm |
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| 19:29.07 | bsdbeard | Hey, my notebook shut off at ~20% power, is there some config I can change to prevent this? It seems the only process related to battery power running is upower (upowerd) |
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| 19:29.39 | [TheFlash] | centrx: i don't see anything related to BSD kernels or rdmsr |
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| 19:30.56 | jhutchins | bsdbeard: Check your bios - that does seem awfully conservative. Also possible that the battery reporting is wrong. |
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| 19:32.03 | bsdbeard | jhutchins, I checked by looking in sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_now and then verified by looking at gnome-power-statistics, could that be wrong? |
| 19:32.13 | centrx | [TheFlash], There might be qemu or Linux KVM channel that knows more about it |
| 19:32.30 | [TheFlash] | well, this bug doesn't happen with the latest kvm |
| 19:32.31 | jhutchins | bsdbeard: Yes. |
| 19:32.35 | bsdbeard | oh damn |
| 19:32.46 | [TheFlash] | centrx: it's just that stable doesn't have that patch backported |
| 19:32.56 | [TheFlash] | but it's a serious problem, due to which it doesn't work |
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| 19:33.19 | [TheFlash] | (it's not possible to run the latest BSD kernels in kvm on wheezy) |
| 19:33.24 | bsdbeard | jhutchins, should the bios report the correct power left? |
| 19:33.33 | hramrach_ | hello |
| 19:33.36 | bsdbeard | hramrach_, hi |
| 19:33.49 | hramrach_ | nice nick :) |
| 19:34.05 | jhutchins | bsdbeard: I don't think the bios usually shows that, but it should read it more reliably than the OS. |
| 19:34.14 | [TheFlash] | i'm not sure what the policy for stable is |
| 19:34.27 | bsdbeard | alright, I'll try rebooting and check it a bit later |
| 19:34.33 | centrx | [TheFlash], try using qemu-kvm from wheezy-backports ? |
| 19:34.41 | centrx | dpkg, tell [TheFlash] about wheezy-backports |
| 19:34.52 | [TheFlash] | centrx: i'm aware of them, but isn't that dangerous? |
| 19:35.00 | [TheFlash] | wheezy-backports aren't covered by the security team |
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| 19:35.27 | hramrach_ | on some notebooks the bios would report critical temperuature readings at random and they would shut down :/ |
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| 19:35.45 | hramrach_ | so relying on bios is not always that great idea |
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| 19:36.14 | centrx | [TheFlash], good point, this is a shared environment of some kind? |
| 19:36.29 | [TheFlash] | centrx: i mean in general |
| 19:36.54 | [TheFlash] | centrx: servers running wheezy could have problems with that |
| 19:37.27 | [TheFlash] | i, however, can install qemu-kvm from backports on my desktop |
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| 19:42.42 | DammitJim | man, I got it all wrong |
| 19:42.59 | DammitJim | are run levels something that the system goes through? |
| 19:43.08 | DammitJim | like from run level 0 to 1 to 2, etc? |
| 19:43.13 | DammitJim | or are they totally independent? |
| 19:43.22 | centrx | independent |
| 19:43.27 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 19:43.33 | hramrach_ | they are like historical residue |
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| 19:43.49 | jhutchins | DammitJim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel |
| 19:43.50 | DammitJim | so, what gives services a priority is inside the rc<run level>.d folder according to their number? |
| 19:43.59 | centrx | yes |
| 19:44.03 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Alphanumeric sort. |
| 19:44.04 | hramrach_ | there is startup runlevel you go through and multiuser runlevels that are independent |
| 19:44.18 | hramrach_ | and there is shutdown runlevel which you go through |
| 19:44.22 | DammitJim | is it all serialized? like if K80something hasn't finished, K81somethingelse won't start? |
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| 19:44.39 | jhutchins | DammitJim: No, and that's one of the issues addressed by systemd. |
| 19:44.43 | centrx | failures are skipped |
| 19:44.57 | DammitJim | oh, you had to throw systemd in there, didn't you, jhutchins ? ;) |
| 19:45.01 | jhutchins | DammitJim: There is a partial method to detect whether an earlier element completed, but doesn't work reliably. |
| 19:45.05 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins: GNU DMD solves the problem too, you know :P |
| 19:45.07 | hramrach_ | it's parallelized |
| 19:45.33 | DammitJim | I don't know why we have this one server where mysql needs to be running before a quartz scheduler starts and mysql is taking longer to initialize |
| 19:45.34 | hramrach_ | but in the past locked up K80something locked up prevented K81somethingelse running |
| 19:45.35 | jhutchins | hramrach_: Not in standard SysV init. |
| 19:46.25 | jhutchins | hramrach_: Until the script returns init doesn't run the next one, but the script can return before the daemon is available. |
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| 19:46.58 | jhutchins | hramrach_: Sorry, that was to DammitJim |
| 19:47.14 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins: is the debian project planning on packaging GNU DMD, once it's ready? |
| 19:47.27 | jhutchins | hramrach_: I think upstart is the first parallelization startup. |
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| 19:47.38 | DammitJim | oh yeah |
| 19:47.40 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: No idea. |
| 19:47.40 | SynrGy | [TheFlash]: answerable by checking wnpp, i guess. what's GNU DMD? |
| 19:47.45 | SynrGy | !wnpp |
| 19:47.45 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 19:48.04 | [TheFlash] | oh, didn't know about that list |
| 19:48.07 | [TheFlash] | thanks |
| 19:48.16 | hramrach_ | but speaking of services |
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| 19:48.33 | [TheFlash] | i doubt that the current version of DMD is there though, since it's still alpha and is missing features |
| 19:48.39 | hramrach_ | I installed rcconf to check and it says nodm is enabled |
| 19:48.43 | DammitJim | thanks for the wiki jhutchins LOL... the first paragraph clarifies my misconception |
| 19:48.43 | DammitJim | lol |
| 19:48.47 | hramrach_ | but I have to start it by hand |
| 19:48.48 | [TheFlash] | SynrGy: GNU DMD is an init system |
| 19:49.02 | SynrGy | [TheFlash]: i see. so that doesn't rate very high on *my* list of software i'd like to see in debian :) |
| 19:49.03 | jhutchins | hramrach_: Having a similar issue with gdm and xfce. |
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| 19:49.15 | DammitJim | LOL... maybe they shouldn't be called run levels |
| 19:49.22 | [TheFlash] | SynrGy: DMD stands for Daemons-Managing Daemon |
| 19:49.28 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: Another one!? |
| 19:49.31 | SynrGy | [TheFlash]: when an ITP is filed, it is copied to debian-devel and developers get a chance to raise objections. "it's still alpha software" is a pretty big one |
| 19:49.55 | SynrGy | so no, we tend not to plan to package software that doesn't exist yet ;) |
| 19:49.59 | hramrach_ | ok, I file a bug :s |
| 19:50.20 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins: yeah, but this one is really good, and configurable with guile |
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| 19:50.50 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins: also, IIUC, they're planning on implementing the libsystemd interface |
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| 19:51.00 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: I think there's a commitment to work with systemd in the near future, and a slightly less sincere commitment to maintain sysvinit compatibility. |
| 19:51.22 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: In Debian that is. |
| 19:51.30 | [TheFlash] | but why, both are inferior to GNU DMD :P |
| 19:51.43 | [TheFlash] | well... |
| 19:51.52 | [TheFlash] | more precisely, they're inferior to what GNU DMD will be some day |
| 19:52.00 | [TheFlash] | not in its current state |
| 19:52.16 | [TheFlash] | (which doesn't even have runlevels working...) |
| 19:52.34 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: Some day there may be interest in it. Right now, RedHat has made a major commitment to systemd, and a lot of stuff is going to be adapted to it by them and by people who work with RedHat systems. |
| 19:52.54 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: Debian is going to capitalize on that work rather than inventing their own wheel. |
| 19:53.19 | [TheFlash] | i understand |
| 19:53.43 | [TheFlash] | well, hopefully debian won't switch to rpm at least |
| 19:53.53 | [TheFlash] | rpm is just awful |
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| 19:53.59 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: No reason for that to happen. |
| 19:54.34 | treah | There really just needs to be a unified package system so that duplicative work does not occur anymore but whatever thats a war no one wants to fight |
| 19:55.01 | jhutchins | treah: It's also trivial to maintain multiple systems there. |
| 19:55.42 | jhutchins | treah: Each distribution builds it's own packages anyway (mostly). They can build for whichever package system they like. |
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| 19:55.53 | SynrGy | [TheFlash]: this sounds a lot like linux being inferior also to what GNU hurd will be some day ;) |
| 19:56.07 | treah | SystemD has its issues and the team is a bit insane with wanting to shove alot of things into it but I think the core of it is ok |
| 19:56.11 | jhutchins | treah: Upstream source packaging is very standardized, and that's all the upstream developers have to worry about. |
| 19:56.20 | rryoumaa | i am getting aptitude errors: http://sprunge.us/IhcN |
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| 19:56.44 | Walex | [TheFlash]: unfortunately that "just awful" seems a bit unfounded to me. RPM has several huge advantages over DPKG, and overall it is vastly superior. |
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| 19:57.01 | SynrGy | [TheFlash]: i don't fault GNU for trying, though ... but adjust your expectations to it being a real alternative accordingly. |
| 19:57.03 | [TheFlash] | treah: personally, i wish people stop unifying things. IMO it's bad for software freedom |
| 19:57.04 | dondelelcaro | rpm vs .deb isn't really on topic here. |
| 19:57.20 | Walex | [TheFlash]: DPKG is "usable" but its limitations and design are a big drawback. |
| 19:57.38 | jhutchins | Walex: Obviously a lot of people disagree. |
| 19:57.51 | jhutchins | Walex: They each have their advantages and disadvantages. |
| 19:58.05 | rryoumaa | any clues about the aptitude error? such as, should i try to force it or something? |
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| 19:58.17 | treah | The adoption of several distros to Deb and not RPM beggs to difffer |
| 19:58.21 | jhutchins | Walex: It's more than local package management too, repository maintenance is very different. |
| 19:58.29 | lyonsb | I'm guessing we have some sort of meta-packger system that converts RPM's to .deb's and vice versa fairly effectively? Or at least, a lot of automation in place of that capacity? |
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| 19:58.46 | Walex | treah: dozens of times more packages get installed with MSI than either RPM or DPKG :-) |
| 19:59.04 | [TheFlash] | treah: i don't like systemd precisely because it tries to unify things |
| 19:59.08 | jhutchins | lyonsb: What mostly happens is that upstream releases source as tar.gz, and distros build binary packages of whatever flavor they prefer. |
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| 19:59.21 | Walex | lyonsb: that's very difficult if not impossible... |
| 19:59.34 | treah | rryoumaa, Try installing the package with apt-get |
| 19:59.34 | gzcwnk | but in terms of outages and recovery faster boot is better |
| 19:59.40 | [TheFlash] | treah: my dream is a world where all GNU/Linux distros are mutually incompatible :) |
| 19:59.42 | treah | see what errors you get |
| 19:59.53 | lyonsb | logically, I do not detect a difference between "upstream releases tar.gz and distros package it" and "a lot of automation" . . .etc . . . |
| 19:59.57 | lyonsb | at least in terms of end result. |
| 20:00.01 | gzcwnk | su - |
| 20:00.05 | gzcwnk | doh |
| 20:00.07 | SynrGy | can we reign this in and stick to support questions? |
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| 20:00.13 | treah | gzcwnk, lol my laptop is using LFS so it is the pinicle of incompatible |
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| 20:00.24 | jhutchins | gzcwnk: Boot speed only matters if you boot often. For servers it's a trivial consideration. (Booting some servers can take hours.) |
| 20:00.26 | gzcwnk | damn virtualisation... |
| 20:00.38 | gzcwnk | not when you get a big outage |
| 20:00.39 | SynrGy | the level of noise is getting so that real support questions are getting lost. |
| 20:00.41 | lyonsb | Shut up and code. |
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| 20:01.14 | treah | there is an offtopic channel so |
| 20:01.17 | [TheFlash] | ok, thanks for the help (regarding the kvm bug), i really hope it gets fixed in stable too |
| 20:01.18 | jhutchins | lyonsb: The point being that it's not translation between different packaging systems. |
| 20:01.31 | [TheFlash] | bye |
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| 20:01.49 | jhutchins | treah: Yeah, we are pretty far afield. |
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| 20:02.09 | lyonsb | jhutchins, please forgive my rudeness -- rpm vs. deb is not actually interesting to me. I would like to discontinue this discussion. Thank you for informing me of that specific difference. |
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| 20:02.46 | jhutchins | lyonsb: NP, in offtopic for anybody interested. |
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| 20:18.29 | Quin | Does anyone know the page that talks about how to setup nouveau for nvidia cards on debian? I'm running Wheezy, and the nouveau site says my card should be supported |
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| 20:20.49 | babilen | Quin: It should just be used by default and you shouldn't have to do anything specific to enable it. |
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| 20:21.35 | Quin | X seems to notice the driver.. but then there's a bunch of lines about it using the vesa driver instead... and my fonts are all ugly |
| 20:21.58 | Quin | how do I know which driver is being used? |
| 20:22.17 | somiaj | Quin: it might depend on the card though, I think at wheezy release with the 3.2 kernel nouveau suport was under rappid development and wheezy may not have the newest nouveau driver. Did you try the kernel from wheezy-backports? |
| 20:22.27 | Quin | is there still a nouveau kernel module that gets loaded? |
| 20:22.30 | somiaj | Quin: you parse /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what it said was loaded |
| 20:22.41 | somiaj | correct, there is a kernel module that needs to be loaded as well |
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| 20:22.49 | Quin | hrmmm backports.. good idea. ok, lemme check that out. thanks! |
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| 20:24.59 | babilen | Quin: You could try a backported kernel (cf. <bdo kernel>) but you might also require a newer xserver-xorg-video-nouveau than what is available in wheezy. Do you know which version supports your particular card? |
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| 20:25.37 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 20:25.38 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.11-1; sid: 1:1.0.11-1 |
| 20:26.01 | somiaj | nope doesn't look like that is backported. |
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| 20:26.32 | babilen | Quin: There is also #nouveau if you aren't sure. I'm sure the people in there can tell you exactly which version you need. I would, however, be quite surprised if it works just like that on wheezy as there has been quite some changes in this as somiaj rightfully pointed out. |
| 20:26.46 | Quin | I've got a GTX 745 card.. but I think I have some other issues to work out first.. the nouveau driver is blacklisted.. for some reason (looks at the person sitting beside /me) |
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| 20:26.59 | babilen | No, we do not have a backport Xorg version. I'd consider tracking testing at this point a viable option though |
| 20:27.26 | somiaj | Quin: the nvidia non-free packages automatically blacklist the driver. |
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| 20:27.45 | babilen | Quin: That must have been done explicitly/intentionally and the most likely reason is that somebody installed the proprietary driver. |
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| 20:28.06 | babilen | (cf. <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia>) |
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| 20:29.53 | somiaj | Quin: your card is just gonna have trouble in wheezy with either nouveau or the non-free drivers (still think there is a bug with the nvidia non-free module provided in wheezy-backports complining against the 3.16 backported kernel and the 3.2 stock kernel). I would suggest testing the card out in jessie due to the card you have. |
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| 20:30.18 | Quin | hrmmmmmmm that's testing, right? |
| 20:30.22 | Quin | wheezy is stable? |
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| 20:30.36 | ompaul | wheezy version 7 is stable |
| 20:30.37 | somiaj | but if you wanted to get it to work in wheezy, there is a workaround for the non-free driver bug and I personally suggest using the non-free driver unless you really are a free only person. |
| 20:30.49 | ompaul | jessie not a number yet will be 8 is testing |
| 20:30.54 | somiaj | Quin: yes jessie is testing, It is currently frozen, but it gets no secuirty support. |
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| 20:31.16 | somiaj | the release will be sometime next year (I'm guessing middle of the year, say August) |
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| 20:31.41 | centrx | predicts May |
| 20:31.52 | ompaul | predicts when it is ready |
| 20:32.06 | heurist | hopes for jan, but predicts nothing |
| 20:32.06 | Quin | I can live with that.. this box is offline anyway |
| 20:32.10 | somiaj | Has dpkg started gatering guesses? |
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| 20:32.28 | somiaj | I recall there was a poll for wheezy's release, I forget who was the closest. |
| 20:32.38 | ompaul | somiaj: we forgot |
| 20:32.49 | ompaul | somiaj: even the bot forgot but I guess the winner was right |
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| 20:33.22 | centrx | !jessie pool 1 |
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| 20:34.14 | ompaul | I'm wrong so many times I'm not going to add such a public record of being wrong :) |
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| 20:35.10 | babilen | will win again |
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| 20:35.34 | ompaul | starts looking for RC bugs :) |
| 20:35.36 | ompaul | hides |
| 20:35.56 | ompaul | arrr this is #debian not #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:40.41 | UukGoblin | anonscm.debian.org down? |
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| 20:49.47 | maelcum | hello. question: why does debian enabled subpixel font rendering in freetype even though it's patented? i don't disagree, i just wonder how/on which grounds the decision to ignore the risk is made. |
| 20:50.17 | dondelelcaro | maelcum: subpixel font rendering itself can't be patented; only certain methods of obtaining it |
| 20:50.32 | maelcum | right, afaiu specifically filters to reduce color fringing |
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| 20:50.36 | dondelelcaro | and frankly, our general approach to patents is to ignore them completely |
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| 20:50.46 | maelcum | heh, nice :) |
| 20:51.07 | UukGoblin | yeah, I couldn't care less outside the USA too |
| 20:51.31 | maelcum | fwiw, it might be possible to work around the patents by using api introduced in freetype 2.4 to set filter coefficients, which effectively produces a different filter. |
| 20:51.39 | dondelelcaro | maelcum: see https://www.debian.org/legal/patent |
| 20:51.40 | maelcum | but yeah, i like what you're doing ;) |
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| 20:53.05 | UukGoblin | dondelelcaro, that doesn't quite say they ignore them completely ;-) |
| 20:53.12 | maelcum | wait, that says "Debian will not knowingly distribute software encumbered by patents" |
| 20:53.24 | UukGoblin | yeah :-) |
| 20:53.39 | maelcum | that needs a corollary saying "software patents are not real patents" |
| 20:54.16 | UukGoblin | can someone please start anonscm.debian.org back up? :-) |
| 20:54.16 | dondelelcaro | UukGoblin: no, but it's as close to that as we can get |
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| 20:54.45 | dondelelcaro | UukGoblin: it's already backed up in multiple locations; the underlying physical host has been having issues for a while now |
| 20:55.15 | UukGoblin | dondelelcaro, oh, where could I find such a backup? |
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| 20:55.52 | UukGoblin | (I tried googling) |
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| 20:57.24 | UukGoblin | oh, I see a github mirror I think |
| 20:57.42 | toeshred | Will there be a new Jessie installer between now and when it becomes stable? (Can't remember if wheezy ever had an installer during frozen phase) |
| 20:57.43 | dondelelcaro | UukGoblin: oh, it's not publicly available. You mean a mirror, and there probably should be one, but it doesn't exists, AFAIK |
| 20:57.48 | dondelelcaro | toeshred: yes |
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| 20:58.25 | dondelelcaro | toeshred: well, unless there are no bugs in the current beta, which is unlikely. |
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| 20:59.04 | somiaj | toeshred: there will be some work done, but I don't think any major change is planned. I did hear something about wanting to add an option to select which init version during the install but never actually researched if that was really a release goal or not. |
| 20:59.13 | toeshred | dondelelcaro: Ah ok, i see. I might just use the beta2 installer for now, since it should download the latest Jessie packages anyway. |
| 20:59.17 | UukGoblin | ah no, that github is just a mirror of apt :-/ |
| 21:01.14 | toeshred | somiaj: That would be an interesting option. Don't think I've ever seen a distro do that. |
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| 21:02.43 | somiaj | toeshred: well right now you can install different init systems in debian (including wheezy) but there is a hard default which you have to start with. |
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| 21:03.36 | somiaj | toeshred: I think it would be great place to add the optoin since both sysvinit and systemd will be supported allow users to choose which one to install from teh start instead of making them remove one for the other after the install. Right now (if you know what you are doing) it is possible to tell which init system to upgrade too when doing wheezy->jessie, but the installer was defaulting to systemd last I checked. |
| 21:04.15 | mofino | somiaj, fairly certain the upgrade process also installed systemd |
| 21:04.21 | somiaj | I should see if I can find any info on this, or maybe I just heard a rumor. |
| 21:04.33 | mofino | and yes, the installer will only install systemd |
| 21:04.41 | somiaj | mofino: you have to explicity install the sysvinit-core package before you dist-upgrade, then it won't automatically switch you to systemd |
| 21:04.44 | mofino | need to setup a preseed last_command to avoid it |
| 21:04.47 | NGC3982 | Guys, i just compiled and installed Emulationstation on my Debian install. It tells me it can't initalize SDL or find an available video device. I have libsdl2-dev installed and xorg. Shouldn't it work? |
| 21:04.55 | NGC3982 | I installed Debian without the graphical interface. |
| 21:04.57 | mofino | somiaj, right, or pin systemd to -1 |
| 21:05.43 | mofino | somiaj, it's disturbing because sysvinit should not be changed on upgrade... |
| 21:06.10 | karlpinc | NGC3982: You'll often have to install a video driver that supports your card (depending on how you did the install). |
| 21:06.29 | NGC3982 | karlpinc: I see. Unrelated to Emulationstation, i guess. |
| 21:06.58 | NGC3982 | googles for revo r3610 drivers. |
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| 21:07.03 | karlpinc | NGC3982: I'm kinda guessing here, but that's my experience. With the pciid the judd bot can tell you what driver you need. |
| 21:07.12 | karlpinc | !tell NGC3982 about pciid |
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| 21:08.06 | superphly | Hey guys, I'm afraid I've been hacked and my kernel has been compromised... |
| 21:08.07 | somiaj | mofino: I think that is a matter of taste, basically we are going to be pointing people to the release notes a lot and my hope is the release notes clearly state the options here |
| 21:08.15 | somiaj | mofino: because anyone who cares should and will read the release notes. |
| 21:08.16 | superphly | When trying to update to the latest debian kernel I get this: https://gist.github.com/superphly/b3e1a6a8d797dc6bd325 |
| 21:08.38 | karlpinc | mofino: All sorts of stuff changes on upgrade, so .... |
| 21:08.51 | mofino | karlpinc, nope |
| 21:09.20 | karlpinc | superphly: If you were really hacked you need to wipe and re-install. |
| 21:09.26 | mofino | packages should not be substituted with other software when the original software is still present |
| 21:09.36 | superphly | karlpinc: *nod* |
| 21:09.49 | superphly | I need to at least lock things down for a week before I can get to it. |
| 21:09.51 | mofino | i believe the CTTE mentioned that systemd was default for new installations, not upgrades. |
| 21:10.10 | superphly | does that output look like a hack? the server was rebooted remotely |
| 21:10.32 | karlpinc | mofino: There's nothing in policy about that, I don't think. For example, rsyslogd was substituted for syslogd IIRC. |
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| 21:12.00 | mofino | karlpinc, good point, but rsyslog isn't anything more than syslog |
| 21:12.08 | karlpinc | superphly: There is no locking down if you got cracked. (I don't know what your messages mean. They're not normal....) |
| 21:12.36 | superphly | *sigh*, right on. |
| 21:12.52 | mofino | superphly, turn off the network |
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| 21:13.14 | somiaj | mofino: I do agree it would be nice if the system was a bit smarter for example only siwtching you to systemd if you say had gnome installed. But at some level this is an option the admin should take, and I dont think there is any clear way that is the best, proivded the admin knows how to achive the init system he wants after the upgrade. |
| 21:13.20 | babilen | mofino: sysvinit will not be changed on upgrade |
| 21:13.33 | toeshred | somiaj: I installed Jessie in a VM a few weeks ago, before it was frozen, and even then it defaulted to systemd. |
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| 21:13.52 | karlpinc | toeshred: A new install is different from an upgrade. |
| 21:13.55 | NGC3982 | Hm. |
| 21:13.56 | mofino | babilen, have you tested a wheezy upgrade? |
| 21:14.00 | somiaj | babilen: did they change that? The transitional package seemd to switch to systemd by default unless you did something to tell it not to? |
| 21:14.07 | NGC3982 | It looks like my nvidia ion 10de:087d is not supported in Debian or something. |
| 21:14.23 | toeshred | karlpinc: it was a new install. i was testing out the beta2 installer. |
| 21:14.25 | somiaj | ,pciid 10de:087d |
| 21:14.26 | judd | [10de:087d] is 'ION VGA' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:087d and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:14.51 | mofino | somiaj, clear way to handle it is to leave sysvinit alone |
| 21:15.03 | mofino | somiaj, anyone requiring systemd should install it at will |
| 21:15.04 | babilen | mofino, somiaj: jessie has not yet been released and I am aware that switched might happen *at this point in time*. We had, however, a CTTE decision about this recently and sysvinit will, I repeat, *not* be switched. |
| 21:15.17 | mofino | babilen, thank you |
| 21:15.21 | karlpinc | NGC3982: FYI, the kumto kernels are backported newer kernels. (And maybe there's something in backports as well, dunno.) |
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| 21:16.50 | NGC3982 | karlpinc: I solved it. |
| 21:16.58 | NGC3982 | Nvidia-detect was already in the repository. |
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| 21:19.35 | HFSPLUS | jelly-home, ban meeeeeeeee |
| 21:19.54 | somiaj | babilen: I do like that news. I also heard you say something about adding option to make a choice during the install? Is this still on the drawing board? |
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| 21:22.44 | NGC3982 | Ok, so it's installed |
| 21:22.56 | NGC3982 | Now, it told me i need to include it in xorg.conf |
| 21:23.35 | NGC3982 | Where can i read about how to change this? |
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| 21:25.17 | babilen | somiaj: You already have that option. You pass $SOMETHING on the boot prompt, but I was stupid enough to not immediately write it down when I read it in one of those mega-threads. It would probably be a nice idea to have support for that in the installer (much like you are able to switch desktop environments now) |
| 21:26.00 | Brigo | task-init, babilen ? |
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| 21:27.05 | babilen | somiaj: But then I have never tested it and get conflicting information ... it was one of those horrible threads and one of the developers wrote "pass $this during install to install sysvinit from scratch" |
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| 21:31.20 | airokiro | I have all my debian machine's network tunneled through a VPN. Suppose my VPN provider isnt 100% trustworthy. When I go to update my system, would they be able to tamper with the packages im installing/upgrading? |
| 21:31.43 | somiaj | NGC3982: you don't need much in your xorg.conf anymore, so lots of info is outdated. |
| 21:32.15 | somiaj | !tell NGC3982 about nvidia dkms |
| 21:32.22 | jhutchins | airokiro: The GPG checksum of the package is checked, so not trivial to do, but nothing is impossible. |
| 21:33.09 | somiaj | NGC3982: you don't need all of that, but in there is the instructions for a simple 3-4 lines needed for xorg.conf to use the nvidia-nonfree driver |
| 21:33.22 | airokiro | jhutchins: gotcha. So they chould alter the checksum file to match a tampered package |
| 21:33.33 | airokiro | best to update on a trustworthy network |
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| 21:34.50 | tytan | How can I install Debian Wheezy with a light weight desktop like LXDE? |
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| 21:35.29 | dondelelcaro | tytan: you can select lxde if you're in expert mode in taskselect or similar. Or just manually install lxde. |
| 21:35.48 | tytan | dondelelcaro I'd like to select that while installing |
| 21:35.58 | tytan | If that's possible |
| 21:36.12 | airokiro | tytan: i think there are install cd's with lxde/xfce/kde etc as options |
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| 21:36.40 | somiaj | tytan: in wheezy you have to actually select the desktop from the boot options (not from the installer) -- this to me was a little unintutitative |
| 21:36.57 | critias | can I run an apache 2.2 AND an apache 2.4 simultaneously? |
| 21:36.58 | somiaj | tytan: this is usign say the netinstall, you can also get an lxde cd1 which that is the default |
| 21:37.19 | somiaj | critias: Not easily, but you could run one in a chroot on a different port. |
| 21:37.19 | tytan | somiaj ok, looking it up right now :) |
| 21:37.56 | critias | OK |
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| 21:39.51 | plotino | hello |
| 21:39.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell tytan -about install lxde |
| 21:40.35 | somiaj | plotino: hello, do you have a debian support question? |
| 21:41.53 | plotino | im gyes |
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| 21:42.03 | plotino | i have got debian 7 installed |
| 21:42.15 | plotino | but i cannot use gnome 3 |
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| 21:42.31 | plotino | i suppose my grapchis hw is too old |
| 21:42.33 | plotino | for thata |
| 21:42.37 | somiaj | plotino: what graphics card do you have? |
| 21:43.10 | somiaj | plotino: what solution do you want? Do you want to use gnome and see if you can get the correct drivers for your graphics card, or would you like some gnome alternatives that may run better on older hardware? |
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| 21:43.22 | plotino | geforce 440 mx |
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| 21:43.47 | somiaj | that graphics card should be fine, sounds like the modules are just not loading correctly to get full support for it |
| 21:43.55 | duckx0r | I have many lines like this in my /var/log/syslog file: "error (connection refused) resolving 'enviosmasivoscostarica.com/MX/IN': 190.120.227.29#53". Several different IP addresses are listed giving the same error. Stupid question, but where does the IP 190.120.227.29 come from? It is not listed as one of the nameserver IPs in my /etc/resolf.conf file. |
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| 21:44.05 | plotino | i have followed the wiki debian guide for nvidia driver |
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| 21:44.22 | plotino | how to check it? |
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| 21:44.42 | plotino | i have create conf file for xorg |
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| 21:44.47 | somiaj | plotino: Can you tell me what guide or what steps you have done to try to install the driver? I am assuming you want and are talking about the non-free driver? |
| 21:44.57 | plotino | nvidia driver is loaded |
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| 21:45.24 | gh0sst | what's the shell command to view all directories listed for superuser? |
| 21:45.33 | plotino | https://wiki.debian.org/it/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 21:46.17 | Brigo | plotino, what is the output of 'glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"' |
| 21:46.17 | plotino | i have installed what nvidia-detect tell to install |
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| 21:46.49 | plotino | its "yes" |
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| 21:47.12 | iceisfun | i have a debian nat box that does nat for my home network, i want to do a second nat rule and have the nat source come from a different real ip address |
| 21:47.25 | jhutchins | What's the default gnome CD burner - brassero? |
| 21:47.33 | iceisfun | can someone tell me how to specify the nat source? |
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| 21:47.41 | Brigo | jhutchins, i think yes |
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| 21:48.00 | Brigo | plotino, then your graphic card looks good. |
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| 21:48.27 | plotino | mm |
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| 21:48.45 | Brigo | plotino, what is the error? |
| 21:48.53 | plotino | if i launch gnome from login |
| 21:49.14 | gh0sst | again, how to I list all directories??? |
| 21:49.21 | plotino | it simply crashes after some interaction |
| 21:49.23 | somiaj | gh0sst: what do you mean by list all directories? |
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| 21:49.44 | gh0sst | I want see all of the directories that exist through bash |
| 21:49.47 | gh0sst | under root user |
| 21:49.51 | plotino | also with gnome classic the bars are black |
| 21:49.55 | gh0sst | find . -type d > list.txt <----- not working |
| 21:50.00 | plotino | and i cannot find menus |
| 21:50.02 | somiaj | gh0sst: I don't get what you mean by 'under root user', but you can use 'ls' command to list all files |
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| 21:50.34 | gh0sst | just Is? |
| 21:50.52 | somiaj | gh0sst: though I don't see any option to exclude non directory files, 'man find', you can use that to find only directories and as a result list them |
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| 21:51.10 | somiaj | gh0sst: sounds like you have some other issue you are trying to solve, stating that issue might get beter support |
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| 21:51.23 | Brigo | plotino, could you paste /var/log/syslog in paste.debian.net? |
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| 21:52.47 | Cpuroast | wjtaylor: TB I would assume |
| 21:52.49 | Cpuroast | you meant |
| 21:53.02 | wjtaylor | cpuroast: haha yes... TB lol |
| 21:53.15 | gh0sst | man find is a search function |
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| 22:41.13 | _0bitcount | Iceweasel (wheezy) keeps crashing since the php updates of a few hours ago. Any ideas? |
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| 22:45.08 | Brigo | _0bitcount, downgrad the php package, wait for a fix ... |
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| 22:45.49 | _0bitcount | Brigo, thanks. Is it something known or some special configuration on my machine? |
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| 22:46.43 | Brigo | not for me. Do you know the php package name with the problem? |
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| 22:46.52 | AJCS | !hello |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | Hi, ajcs! |
| 22:46.55 | Brigo | Llama052, logstash? |
| 22:47.03 | AJCS | !help |
| 22:47.27 | Llama052 | totes put this in the wrong channel |
| 22:47.28 | AJCS | Satan |
| 22:47.29 | Llama052 | :( |
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| 22:48.29 | AJCS | !rage |
| 22:49.02 | Brigo | AJCS, ? |
| 22:49.02 | doktor5000_ | hi all, would someone be so kind to help me find the commit that fixed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293117 please ? |
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| 22:50.19 | _0bitcount | Brigo, php5-common and php5-cli |
| 22:50.34 | _0bitcount | Brigo, those were the updates |
| 22:50.46 | Brigo | ,v php5-common |
| 22:50.47 | judd | Package: php5-common on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze22; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u14; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.34-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.35-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.2+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.2+dfsg-1 |
| 22:50.54 | Brigo | ,v php5-cli |
| 22:50.55 | judd | Package: php5-cli on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze22; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u14; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.34-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.35-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.2+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.2+dfsg-1 |
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| 22:52.38 | Brigo | _0bitcount, php5-common are not installed in my system, and i am using -right now- icewease, so i think this cannot be the problem |
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| 22:53.49 | Brigo | _0bitcount, icewesel does not need php at all, so i doubt that was the problem. |
| 22:54.20 | _0bitcount | Brigo, maybe just a coincidence. I'll keep investigating. Thank you. |
| 22:54.53 | Brigo | _0bitcount, try to run iceweasel from a virtuan console and look at the output |
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| 22:58.14 | _0bitcount | Brigo, `Segmentation fault' |
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| 22:58.43 | jakesyl | Hey, how do I install firmware? |
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| 22:59.32 | eurobit | what kind of firm ware? usually just get it and copy it into /lib/firmare and the device should find it |
| 22:59.34 | jakesyl | It worked when I imported it during install, but when I rebooted the networking stopped working |
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| 22:59.56 | jakesyl | oh okay, its just bnx2 for networking, so should I restart after copying it in |
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| 23:00.47 | Brigo | _0bitcount, that is a problem with icewease or its libraries. |
| 23:00.54 | AJCS | !help |
| 23:01.15 | Brigo | AJCS, if you need help ask dpkg -is a bot- |
| 23:01.20 | jakesyl | also lib or lib 64? |
| 23:01.24 | AJCS | Ah |
| 23:01.42 | heurist | jakesyl: can you not install firmware-bnx2 or firmware-bnx2x ? |
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| 23:02.06 | SynrGy | but msg the bot privately if you do that |
| 23:02.08 | SynrGy | !dpkgbot |
| 23:02.09 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 23:04.36 | jakesyl | Okay it's not working failed to load bnx2/bnx-mips-06-6.2. (-1) |
| 23:05.32 | _0bitcount | Brigo, OK. You were right, downgrading those packages didn't have any effect. |
| 23:05.40 | Brigo | _0bitcount, if you want to help solve the problem you need a backtrace: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 23:05.53 | babyspice | yo |
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| 23:06.00 | babyspice | repent for the kindgom of god is at hand |
| 23:06.09 | `Kevin | .. |
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| 23:06.28 | bazhang | !ops | babyspice |
| 23:06.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | babyspice |
| 23:06.42 | babyspice | the message of the cross is foolish to those who are going to hell |
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| 23:06.51 | babyspice | !ops noooo waaa |
| 23:06.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: babyspice complains about: noooo waaa |
| 23:06.57 | jakesyl | !ops | babyspice |
| 23:06.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jakesyl complains about: | babyspice |
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| 23:07.06 | babyspice | !ops jakesyl |
| 23:07.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: babyspice complains about: jakesyl |
| 23:07.18 | `Kevin | !ops | babyspice |
| 23:07.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: `kevin complains about: | babyspice |
| 23:07.24 | babyspice | !ops kevr |
| 23:07.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: babyspice complains about: kevr |
| 23:07.28 | babyspice | !ops kevin |
| 23:07.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: babyspice complains about: kevin |
| 23:07.33 | jakesyl | !ops | babyspice |
| 23:07.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jakesyl complains about: | babyspice |
| 23:07.36 | `Kevin | rofl moron didnt even get the ` |
| 23:07.59 | babyspice | YOU CANT FLEE FROM GOD, YOU WILL DIE AND YOU WILL GO TO HELL IF YOU DO NOT REPENT CHRIST SHED HIS BLOOD FOR FORGIVENESS BUT YOU NEED TO REPENT |
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| 23:08.54 | wilsonofgatsby | says GOD SEES EVERYTHING |
| 23:09.07 | babyspice | has anyone ever played pingus? |
| 23:09.10 | babyspice | its like a lemmings clone |
| 23:09.26 | rryoumaa | except the topic |
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| 23:09.51 | babyspice | pingus is an awesome game |
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| 23:10.45 | babyspice | !p[s levom |
| 23:10.49 | babyspice | !ops kevin |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: babyspice complains about: kevin |
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| 23:12.53 | babyspice | !ops | Bremsstrahlung |
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| 23:13.15 | eurobit | /11/11 |
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| 23:13.58 | mactimes | Has anyone here ever loaded Debian 64 into a Cubox-i4? Just wanted to know if faced any (hard) issues or if the whole hardware runs smoothly. |
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| 23:15.45 | factor | Can I download the 32 arch dvd for debian? So I can get the dev stuff? |
| 23:16.00 | factor | The D7 dvd seem not to have the 32 arch |
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| 23:16.46 | jakesyl | Hey guys any idea where i could find this firmware bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw |
| 23:17.07 | mofino | jakesyl, may need to include the non-free source |
| 23:17.26 | mofino | factor, the images are there: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 23:17.30 | jakesyl | yep this is non-free |
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| 23:17.52 | jakesyl | oh, well this is already installed so could i just get the .fw somewhere? |
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| 23:18.25 | mofino | jakesyl, have tried firmware-bnx2 and firmware-bnx2x? |
| 23:18.28 | heurist | jakesyl: apt-get install firmware-bnx2 |
| 23:18.35 | kale | often my machine crashes. i have tested ram etc. nothing in logs, but today finally i got a dump on the screen. its jessie and its "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+". seems it is related so smp, any hints on what to do about this? http://incoming.kallenberg.dk/kerneldump.jpg |
| 23:18.41 | jakesyl | no can do firmware-bnx2 is the networking firmware? |
| 23:18.42 | factor | mofino:ok so just down the normal i386 dvd |
| 23:18.52 | jakesyl | also i have every other bnx2 firmware except that one |
| 23:18.59 | mofino | factor, yeah should be good |
| 23:19.12 | jakesyl | found it |
| 23:19.20 | factor | mofino:ok thanks |
| 23:19.23 | jakesyl | so do i have to reboot to load the firmware? |
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| 23:20.28 | mofino | kale, heat problem? that screen may not have all the details |
| 23:20.33 | mofino | screenshot* |
| 23:21.10 | kale | mofino: not likely, the system has been running with gentoo ealier and had no trouble compiling. |
| 23:21.17 | mactimes | kale I have faced the issue described by mofino myself, with an old graphics card. |
| 23:21.22 | heurist | kale: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:21.33 | mofino | kale, that doesn't mean much, the error seems to be CPU related |
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| 23:22.51 | _0bitcount | Brigo, OK. I'll follow the wiki. It's a bit late for today. Thank you very much. |
| 23:22.53 | kale | sensors tell me the cpu is 39-46 C |
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| 23:23.11 | Brigo | _0bitcount, you are wellcome and good luck :) |
| 23:23.40 | mofino | kale, it's either a kernel bug, or hardware issue |
| 23:23.49 | mofino | usually it's a hardware issue |
| 23:24.26 | kale | mofino: my bet is also hardware issue, but i have fond no way of provoking the fault. for now it happens randomly |
| 23:24.35 | mofino | yeah... those are the worst. |
| 23:24.53 | kale | gfx is "GeForce GT 240" |
| 23:24.56 | somiaj | kale: could it be video memory? |
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| 23:25.30 | somiaj | I have had some random crashes and they were all due to the video card being bad hardware. Once was video memeory other time I don't nkow. Both times I was able to RMA the card and get a new one becaue the company varrified it was bad hardware |
| 23:25.31 | kale | somiaj: its a possibility |
| 23:25.33 | mofino | somiaj, would probably see vidoe corrupt, not a system freeze |
| 23:25.37 | mofino | corruption* |
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| 23:25.50 | mofino | sorry, kernel crash |
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| 23:26.04 | somiaj | mofino: with the fact that video drivers are interlinked into the kernel they can sometimes crash the whole thing, and freezing X doens't mean the whole system froze. |
| 23:26.17 | kale | i do get a funny black/white screen while X loads, but i guess thats just what is in the memory at that time |
| 23:26.22 | mofino | somiaj, true, but the exception would probably stem from a video related module, not smp.c |
| 23:26.22 | somiaj | but I have had my kernel crash due to bad video card (partly due to the non-free nvidia driver but still) |
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| 23:26.35 | mofino | kale, that's probably normalish |
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| 23:28.03 | kale | at one point i got the error from running unison on a 173GB sync. I kept getting the fault here for a while. I tested the disks using smartctl and memory using memtest86, and no trouble there |
| 23:28.16 | kale | could i add an option to the kernel to disable smp? |
| 23:28.42 | kale | i only use the system for browsing web, and other non-cpu heavy stuff |
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| 23:29.07 | kale | isn't there a nosmp option ... ? kale checks |
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| 23:29.24 | ScottG | Is there a difference between unstable and sid? |
| 23:29.36 | mofino | ScottG, same thing |
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| 23:30.02 | mofino | kale, you could pass nosmp... could also try downclocking your CPU a little bit to see if it changes anything |
| 23:30.04 | ScottG | ok thanks |
| 23:30.12 | mofino | kale, might even be your chipset |
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| 23:30.19 | somiaj | ScottG: unstable is a link, sid is a codename. The unstable link will always point at sid (this is not true for the testing, stable links) |
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| 23:30.56 | tytan | Do you think a Pentium 4 with 512MB of RAM is enough to run Debian Wheezy with LXDE? |
| 23:31.08 | kale | mofino: i have never overclocked the cpu or motherboard. but yes, the hardware is from 2005, so its quite old. I only have the system because i'm try to increase my savings to get an i7 |
| 23:31.16 | kale | tytan: its fine |
| 23:31.35 | kale | goes for nosmp |
| 23:31.42 | eurobit | tytan: just firefox etc might be swapped? |
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| 23:31.57 | mofino | kale, not that your overclocking, just that a downclock may help |
| 23:32.11 | mofino | could be an issue with the memory controller and CPU |
| 23:32.19 | kale | mofino: i'll check the bios to see whats there... |
| 23:32.23 | somiaj | tytan: yes |
| 23:32.37 | somiaj | tytan: that is the recomended minimum, but you can get away with less. |
| 23:33.11 | mofino | 512MB is a little tight to surf the modern web with a few tabs though. |
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| 23:33.30 | tytan | somiaj I would be so happy if that works ^_^ |
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| 23:33.56 | Brigo | tytan, the problem is the web |
| 23:34.13 | treah | tytan 512 is fine. This virtual machine im talking to you on only has that much and runs mate and i can browse just fine |
| 23:34.22 | Brigo | usually you need more than 400MB to get open several tabs. |
| 23:34.36 | tytan | I don't have plans using the www. More E-Mail, IRC and stuff. |
| 23:34.51 | Brigo | tytan, then you should be ok. |
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| 23:35.01 | tytan | perfect :) |
| 23:35.03 | treah | Just make a swapfile |
| 23:35.12 | treah | lol |
| 23:35.12 | somiaj | tytan: the best answer to your question is try it. (: |
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| 23:35.30 | tytan | treah Should I create a huge SWAP? Like 2GB? |
| 23:35.34 | treah | lol no |
| 23:35.47 | somiaj | tytan: we could point you at the docs meminums but in the end try it and see if you like it, people have different expectations as to what they think 'decent' is. We use to do this over dialup, and at the time it didn't seem 'that' slow. |
| 23:35.49 | treah | 1gb is generous |
| 23:35.56 | tytan | treah 512MB is enough? |
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| 23:36.05 | treah | i would make it 1g |
| 23:36.07 | somiaj | tytan: yea I would try to avoid using swap, I would go something over your ram size so you can hibernate if you want to. |
| 23:36.10 | treah | for general use |
| 23:36.18 | somiaj | so I like treah suggestion, gives room for a bit of swap and hibernation |
| 23:36.23 | tytan | makes sense ... |
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| 23:36.53 | Shadow_7 | make swap at least as much as the RAM you have IMO. Or as much as the largest media type you'll mount (cd/dvd/bluray). |
| 23:36.56 | kale | mofino: allright, down to 200MHz on the RAM and /proc/cpuinfo tells me i have only one cpu. could not downclock the cpu |
| 23:37.12 | tytan | O.k. tank you everyone |
| 23:37.17 | tytan | *thank |
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| 23:41.03 | mofino | Shadow_7, doesn't really apply if you aren't using hibernation |
| 23:41.18 | Shadow_7 | mofino: matters if the media type is encrypted |
| 23:41.28 | mofino | oh ok, didn't know that |
| 23:41.38 | Shadow_7 | or if doing anything gui with a machine with < 1GB of ram |
| 23:41.48 | mofino | i disagree, i don't want to hit the disk |
| 23:42.15 | Shadow_7 | swap could be any mountable persistent storage |
| 23:42.24 | mofino | if his PC is that old, it's a slow disk |
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| 23:44.55 | Shadow_7 | swaps main function is to prevent kernel panics when RAM has run out. Not having it is a risk. In a perfect world, it would never be used. |
| 23:45.44 | mofino | OOM usually kicks in |
| 23:45.49 | Arven | Shadow_7: I wasn't aware of kernel panics due to low ram, but I was aware of oom killer killing processes |
| 23:46.09 | mofino | Shadow_7, swap also kicks in for deep sleeping processes |
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| 23:46.19 | Shadow_7 | it kills processes... until it has nothing left to kill... then the kernel panics |
| 23:46.30 | Arven | hibernate requires swap |
| 23:46.51 | Arven | nothing left to kill means the system should not come up at all due to low memory |
| 23:46.52 | mofino | Shadow_7, it's pretty good at hitting the aggressive processes |
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| 23:47.18 | treah | Ive had compiling firefox run out of ram but the kernel did not oops |
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| 23:47.28 | Shadow_7 | if the memory issue is kernel related, it might take time for that condition to hit |
| 23:47.29 | treah | the process just died with a error |
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| 23:47.40 | Shadow_7 | i.e. proprietary video drivers |
| 23:47.45 | treah | Yeah |
| 23:47.56 | treah | I should try and make it happen on a VM |
| 23:48.08 | mofino | treah, allocation errors are possible without invoking the OOM |
| 23:48.09 | treah | write some terrible memory leaker |
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