| 00:00.03 | mofino | ahh right, my bad |
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| 00:00.56 | mofino | Resilience_, last one then, try sha1sum or any of it's companions (sha256sum, etc) |
| 00:01.22 | chomwitt_ | guys in my jessy PC monitors goes to sleep mode on its own volition :-/ |
| 00:01.56 | heurist | chomwitt_: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:01.57 | chomwitt_ | i use the libre radeon driver plus the firmware blob |
| 00:02.03 | chomwitt_ | heurist: ok |
| 00:02.07 | chomwitt_ | sorry |
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| 00:02.54 | chomwitt_ | i must be invited.... :/ |
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| 00:03.21 | heurist | chomwitt_: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
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| 00:03.31 | chomwitt_ | a! ok |
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| 00:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | heurist: You _were_ explicit about that. |
| 00:08.09 | heurist | jhutchins_wk: explicit and clear are not the same thing though. |
| 00:11.11 | shaun414 | how i install .deb file? |
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| 00:11.50 | notdave1 | where did you find the deb file? |
| 00:11.56 | shaun414 | google plugins |
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| 00:12.31 | shaun414 | for google hangout |
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| 00:13.41 | notdave1 | what file is it? |
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| 00:13.47 | shaun414 | uhh? |
| 00:13.52 | shaun414 | google hangouts plugin |
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| 00:14.13 | heurist | shaun414: do they not give you instructions? |
| 00:14.21 | shaun414 | no just a .deb |
| 00:14.31 | shaun414 | can also get a tar.gz |
| 00:14.41 | notdave1 | dpkg -i filename will install it. |
| 00:14.41 | dpkg | installs filename will install it. into notdave1's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 00:14.45 | somiaj | shaun414: you can install a deb file with dpkg -i foo.deb (but you have to be careful) |
| 00:14.57 | shaun414 | carefull? |
| 00:15.04 | somiaj | shaun414: make sure the deb was made for debian (not ubuntu) and the version of debian you are running. If not you will probabaly awnt to use the static linked tar.gz file |
| 00:15.14 | notdave1 | why did my head get bone saw? |
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| 00:15.31 | shaun414 | sorry no tar |
| 00:15.39 | shaun414 | its a rpm or deb |
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| 00:16.11 | somiaj | shaun414: well if the deb aws not ment for debian it may not have the right dependencies, but I don't know this .deb so I can't tell you. (my experience is google is fairly good about making good .deb, but just double check) |
| 00:16.15 | g00se | At least try it with --no-act -i first |
| 00:16.21 | shaun414 | it says ubuntu/debian |
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| 00:17.46 | somiaj | shaun414: most likely dpkg -i foo.deb (then it may complain, when it does run apt-get -f install) |
| 00:18.04 | somiaj | shaun414: again this ist just standard advise, google's debs have been good for me in the past |
| 00:18.54 | notdave1 | I dunno, the chat program threatened to saw my skull.... caution might be advised. |
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| 00:20.12 | shaun414 | getting errors |
| 00:20.16 | shaun414 | when |
| 00:20.21 | shaun414 | dpkg |
| 00:20.27 | shaun414 | syntax errors |
| 00:21.02 | somiaj | notdave1: please keep noise to a minimial. |
| 00:21.12 | somiaj | shaun414: syntax errors? What did you type? |
| 00:21.35 | somiaj | shaun414: agian it woudln't suprise me if you got dependency errors, but you can paste teh errors (and command) at paste.debian.net you can get better help. |
| 00:22.02 | shaun414 | dpkg |
| 00:22.04 | shaun414 | filename |
| 00:22.45 | notdave1 | Was not noise. The admin bot for this channel literally threatened to saw my skull. For using dpkg. I thought that was worth mentioning. |
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| 00:25.12 | shaun414 | any help? |
| 00:25.46 | ctmjr | shaun414, you need to use the full path to the deb file but without the paste no one can tell what the problem is |
| 00:25.55 | shaun414 | ok |
| 00:25.56 | heurist | shaun414: as instructed, run dpkg -i $file.deb |
| 00:26.08 | shaun414 | root@debian:/home/shaun/Downloads# dpkg google-talkplugin_current_amd64(2) |
| 00:26.13 | shaun414 | thats what i said |
| 00:26.28 | shaun414 | yes its in downloads |
| 00:27.16 | somiaj | shaun414: again follow instructions better. we said dpkg -i foo.deb -- I also suggested you paste the command and output at paste.debian.net |
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| 00:27.37 | shaun414 | yeah i tried that too |
| 00:27.40 | somiaj | you also nee the .deb there and you probabaly need \(2\) |
| 00:27.47 | somiaj | hit table after you type google |
| 00:27.51 | somiaj | sorry hit tab |
| 00:28.09 | g00se | That's not a command. But if you're going to let Google invade your system it might be marginally better to add a repo to sources.list as some web pages suggest |
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| 00:28.16 | shaun414 | dpkg -i <google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb> |
| 00:28.16 | dpkg | package <google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb> is already installed |
| 00:28.23 | shaun414 | heat? |
| 00:28.28 | shaun414 | the f |
| 00:28.34 | somiaj | shaun414: you don't put it inside of <> |
| 00:28.45 | shaun414 | dpkg: ? |
| 00:28.45 | dpkg | shaun414: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:28.54 | somiaj | shaun414: you use the exact file name (you can hit tab to auto fill it out) |
| 00:28.55 | shaun414 | what? |
| 00:28.58 | shaun414 | is he real? |
| 00:29.00 | shaun414 | dpkg: ? |
| 00:29.00 | dpkg | i don't know, shaun414 |
| 00:29.00 | somiaj | shaun414: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:29.04 | shaun414 | oh.. |
| 00:29.22 | shaun414 | somiaj: thta is the filemane |
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| 00:29.39 | per_D | hi |
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| 00:29.57 | shaun414 | ohh |
| 00:30.02 | shaun414 | dependency prob now man |
| 00:30.21 | per_D | does anyone have the nexus 9 ? I'm trying to mount it in Debian Wheezy but I'm not able |
| 00:31.09 | shaun414 | somiaj: it hit a dependency error |
| 00:31.54 | heurist | shaun414: please paste the exact command and the exact output to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 00:32.02 | somiaj | shaun414: now run apt-get -f install (as I have previous said) |
| 00:32.03 | shaun414 | ok |
| 00:33.03 | shaun414 | http://paste.debian.net/132909/ |
| 00:33.06 | shaun414 | here you go |
| 00:33.08 | somiaj | per_D: when you plug it in look at dmesg, does it give y ou any info about mass storage device |
| 00:33.25 | somiaj | per_D: also some phones need to be configured (though the phone) to turn on usb massstorage mode |
| 00:33.36 | per_D | somiaj: let me tell you |
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| 00:33.55 | somiaj | shaun414: that .deb is not caompadable with debian, which I was afraid of |
| 00:34.05 | somiaj | shaun414: it depends on a version of libc6 not in wheezy and as such cannot be installed in wheezy. |
| 00:34.06 | shaun414 | what |
| 00:34.13 | shaun414 | it says its for ubuntu/debian |
| 00:34.22 | shaun414 | http://www.google.com/tools/dlpage/hangout/download.html?hl=en&platform=linux_ubuntu_x86_64 |
| 00:34.24 | heurist | shaun414: it lies |
| 00:34.27 | shaun414 | look |
| 00:34.48 | per_D | somiaj: I get some info like: New USB device found, idVendor=18d1, idProduct=4ee1 |
| 00:34.56 | per_D | New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 |
| 00:35.07 | per_D | manufacter and serial number |
| 00:35.31 | somiaj | shaun414: I tould you from teh start it may not work, and in this case it is not compadable with debian wheezy. You do not want to change your libc6 so that .deb is not installable in debian wheezy. This is google's deb so you have to address them about this |
| 00:35.35 | per_D | nothing else, any ideas ? |
| 00:35.56 | somiaj | per_D: so it is detecting it, but my guess is you have to tell the phone/tablet to turn on usb masstorage mode to be mounted, that is usually some where in the settings or applications |
| 00:36.08 | per_D | somiaj: ok let me see |
| 00:36.17 | shaun414 | i see |
| 00:37.14 | shaun414 | i guess i give up |
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| 00:37.26 | g00se | Or try Jessie |
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| 00:38.07 | somiaj | g00se: we usually do not suggest running jessie as the 'fix', espically to someone who strugles installing a .deb (: |
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| 00:38.37 | g00se | Well, i really mean on a separate box that wouldn't 'matter' too much |
| 00:38.38 | per_D | somiaj: I don't see nothing but look |
| 00:38.47 | per_D | I'm reading this: Nexus 9 does not support mass storage mode, but it does support the newer Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) which allows you to add or remove files from your 16GB / 32GB of tablet storage. |
| 00:39.12 | heurist | shaun414: now you need to run aptitude keep-all to get rig of the errors from the partially installed .deb |
| 00:39.18 | somiaj | per_D: ahh, I don't have experience with MTP or what is needed to get it to work in debian, my devices have always used usb massstorage and I wish more will. (: |
| 00:39.23 | jakesyl | hey, when i was trying to install gnome I got an error, that I was missing a dependency and that I should run apt-get -f install (it did nothing so I tried to apt-get purge it and i got the same error E: Unmet dependencies. How do I remove gnome |
| 00:39.38 | somiaj | heurist: he ran apt-get -f isntall and it fixed it |
| 00:39.39 | per_D | somiaj: but that is compatible with debian ? |
| 00:39.46 | per_D | It doesnm matter thank you so much :) |
| 00:39.51 | per_D | Im gonna read about mtp |
| 00:39.53 | jakesyl | no it didn't fix anything |
| 00:39.54 | heurist | somiaj: cool, I missed that. |
| 00:40.09 | Brigo | per_D, there is a package related. |
| 00:40.11 | somiaj | per_D: hardware is more a linux issue (not debian). If it is supported by the linux kernel then most likely you can get it to work in debian |
| 00:40.14 | shaun414 | thanks heurist |
| 00:40.40 | per_D | Brigo: somiaj thank you :D |
| 00:40.53 | per_D | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.58 | Brigo | per_D, jmtpfs could help |
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| 00:41.11 | Brigo | or mtp-tools |
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| 00:41.27 | per_D | thanks |
| 00:41.34 | jakesyl | is there like a -f (force) option |
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| 00:42.03 | heurist | dpkg: tell jakesyl -about bat |
| 00:42.10 | somiaj | jakesyl: very dangerous to use that with packages |
| 00:42.19 | jakesyl | why? |
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| 00:42.36 | somiaj | jakesyl: because it will put your system in a broken state, maybe explain which version of debian you are using and which package is not working |
| 00:42.59 | jakesyl | debian wheezy and gnome it says Depends: network-manager (>= 0.9.4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:43.07 | somiaj | jakesyl: sorry I missed your question, give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
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| 00:43.26 | Brigo | so we can see the mess |
| 00:43.33 | somiaj | it sounds like you are mixing sources which can and will break things including being able to nicely isntall packages |
| 00:43.56 | jakesyl | https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/86fcc383193ed650ffb9 |
| 00:44.30 | jakesyl | so what's this bat that the broken dpkg bot was supposed to tell me about? |
| 00:44.42 | somiaj | it was what you just gave us |
| 00:44.53 | somiaj | also look slike you are missing some lines in your paste |
| 00:45.00 | somiaj | and I see a ubuntu line in there, and that can cose issues |
| 00:45.48 | jakesyl | thats just for docker deployments, but I'll try commenting it out if you want |
| 00:46.38 | Brigo | jakesyl, too late, the packages could be already installed |
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| 00:47.16 | jakesyl | so, what do I do then manually gut gnome? |
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| 00:48.35 | Brigo | ,v owncloud |
| 00:48.36 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 7.0.2+dfsg-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 7.0.3+dfsg-1; sid: 7.0.3+dfsg-1 |
| 00:48.52 | Brigo | ,docker |
| 00:48.58 | Brigo | ,v docker |
| 00:48.59 | judd | Package: docker on i386 -- wheezy: 1.4-5; squeeze: 1.4-5; sid: 1.5-1; jessie: 1.5-1 |
| 00:49.24 | heurist | Brigo: I think that docker is gnome-docker |
| 00:49.35 | Brigo | heurist, you are right |
| 00:49.42 | jakesyl | if it helps the problem only emerged while apt-get installing gnome |
| 00:49.49 | Brigo | ,v docker.io |
| 00:49.50 | judd | Package: docker.io on i386 -- sid: 1.3.1~dfsg1-2; jessie: 1.3.1~dfsg1-2 |
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| 00:51.05 | heurist | jakesyl: aptitude purge gnome |
| 00:51.11 | Brigo | jakesyl, the problem should be that some of the foreign package you have installed have problems with gnome |
| 00:51.54 | jakesyl | what's the difference between aptitude and apt? |
| 00:52.02 | Brigo | s/have problems/conflict/ |
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| 00:52.28 | heurist | jakesyl: "apt" is an idea. aptitude and apt-get are much the same for this purpose. |
| 00:53.43 | somiaj | heurist: actually apt is usually considered apt-get and apt-cache (I think there is a few others) and there is a new project to actually link all those into a single command called apt |
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| 00:54.05 | heurist | somiaj: hence "an idea" not a command. |
| 00:54.30 | somiaj | jakesyl: the major difference is the logic they use to resolve dependencies. /msg dpkg why apt, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 00:54.41 | jakesyl | does apt use aptitutde |
| 00:54.44 | somiaj | jakesyl: so they have differences but they both use the same sources and database. |
| 00:54.55 | somiaj | no they are different programs with different logic |
| 00:54.58 | dondelelcaro | jakesyl: no, but aptitude uses apt. |
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| 00:57.51 | jakesyl | new issues: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/2027acfd0bb3298318bf |
| 01:00.33 | jakesyl | so what I'm doing right now is manually aptitude purge(ing) all of those and see if it works |
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| 01:03.26 | jakesyl | Okay now pulse audio won't work https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/9eb4fe1932fa37fb3755 |
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| 01:04.24 | Ian__ | Hi all, just wondering..is it possible to upgrade from debian 7 to testing at all? |
| 01:04.52 | dvs | Ian__: Yes, but there's no going back. |
| 01:04.54 | heurist | Ian__: possible? yes. maybe not a good idea at this time. |
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| 01:06.18 | jakesyl | So should I manually remove pulseaudio somehow or |
| 01:07.15 | Ian__ | dvs, heurist so do you think it maybe better to do a fresh install of testing? |
| 01:07.52 | heurist | Ian__: I always prefer fresh installs. but I would not recommend testing during freeze. |
| 01:07.58 | Ian__ | >>i do know that a "freeze" is happing with debian |
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| 01:09.35 | Ian__ | heurist, , dvs ok thanks.i was just looking for a like cutting edge distro.and I thoght about debian testing or fedora.I am at the mo have debian 7 installed now |
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| 01:10.05 | somiaj | Ian__: the biggest issue (if you don't hit some random grave bug) with testing is no security support and it won't have any until the release |
| 01:10.34 | somiaj | Ian__: being frozen means that you won't get random package changes but only bugfixes, but it coudl take 6 months (give or take) until the release |
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| 01:13.48 | marioxcc | Hello |
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| 01:14.54 | marioxcc | When doing the process of enabling user quotas, how can I compute the quota for a given user only with "ckquota" rather than for all users? |
| 01:14.59 | marioxcc | *compute the current usage |
| 01:15.04 | Ian__ | heurist, somiaj dvs, I really dont mind that at all.and besides debian looks better and safer than fedora |
| 01:15.40 | somiaj | Ian__: then enjoy testing out the new release, for many it works just fine, but you may have to fix a few bugs and the seruciryt support (safer) is nill |
| 01:15.53 | Ian__ | >>like if IM USING STUFF THATS BEING PREPARED FOR RELEASES IS GREAT IDEA FOR ME :) |
| 01:16.12 | Ian__ | >>oops sorry fingers slipped.lol |
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| 01:20.01 | pingfloyd | somiaj: there is some security support in testing, it is more that stable gets priority of the security team |
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| 01:20.40 | pingfloyd | somiaj: there used to be no security backporting in the past for testing. |
| 01:20.45 | dvs | pingfloyd: What? No, testing is last on the list for security |
| 01:20.54 | somiaj | pingfloyd: The packages get fixed, but usually the fix filters in though sid first. Might be a bit different with the freeze if the sid version is newer. |
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| 01:21.21 | somiaj | but the general idea is there is none, and I've seen testing not get the fix for weeks after both stable and sid were fixed. |
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| 01:21.34 | dontknow | is it ok to use debian weekly images to install fresh jessie? |
| 01:21.43 | pingfloyd | somiaj: testing has a security repo these days |
| 01:21.46 | somiaj | thgouh I have also seen packages forced into testing faster form sid for very sever issues. |
| 01:21.56 | somiaj | pingfloyd: doesn't mean there is anything in it, it is more a place keeper. |
| 01:22.01 | dvs | dontknow: Sure, but the installer might not work. |
| 01:22.13 | somiaj | dontknow: usually it is prefered to install with stable (a minimial system) then dist-upgrade |
| 01:22.19 | somiaj | dontknow: you can use them, but read this factoid |
| 01:22.25 | somiaj | !tell dontknow about testing installer |
| 01:22.34 | pingfloyd | It gets some backports, just stable gets more since most of it can trickle down from sid |
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| 01:22.43 | dontknow | somiaj, dvs ok i will try weekly image :p |
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| 01:28.44 | Ian__ | I take it this is the latest list for testing?? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:29.13 | heurist | Ian__: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:30.55 | Ian__ | heurist, this is where I get confused.I ask about testing here.get some excellent help, and then told to ask elsewhere |
| 01:31.15 | heurist | Ian__: this channel support debian stable. |
| 01:31.45 | g00se | heurist: is it true that #debian-next is 'by invitation'? |
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| 01:32.03 | heurist | g00se: no, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
| 01:32.36 | g00se | Ah - must have borked my connect command ;) |
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| 01:35.13 | somiaj | Ian__: you can ask testing questions here, but the offical testing/unstable support channel is on irc.oftc.net (another network) |
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| 01:38.00 | ZitZ | i didn't know about #debian-next, nice |
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| 01:38.48 | rgb-one | Hey, does anyone have any code illustrating a traffic simulation or plane simulation or some form of simulation? Nothing too complex like opengl renders etc. Just a simple project for someone learning various data structure |
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| 01:40.35 | ZitZ | so i'm attempting to benchmark an nfs share i'm setting up, and it appears that directory listings are almost 10 times slower than the same directory mounted over sshfs. Doesn't sound right. |
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| 01:41.11 | ZitZ | but i think bigger files transfer faster. What am i missing here. |
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| 01:41.29 | heurist | ZitZ: you using kerberos? specifically sec=krb5p? |
| 01:41.46 | ZitZ | heurist: no, no kerberos |
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| 01:47.07 | heurist | ZitZ: how are you testing this 10 times slower? |
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| 01:48.48 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 01:49.13 | ZitZ | it takes 38 seconds to recursively list my music directory, it only takes 5 over sshfs |
| 01:49.13 | ZitZ | using time ls -R |
| 01:49.19 | rgb-one | Hey, does anyone have any code illustrating a traffic simulation or plane simulation or some form of simulation? Nothing too complex like opengl renders etc. Just a simple project for someone learning various data structure |
| 01:49.26 | ZitZ | i know that's not really scientific, but i know it should be faster than that i would think |
| 01:49.26 | ZitZ | using async on the mount and the export |
| 01:49.26 | rgb-one | any programming language with c like syntax is fine |
| 01:49.35 | ZitZ | btfs is the physical filesystem, but that shouldn't matter here |
| 01:49.35 | ZitZ | btrfs, sorry |
| 01:49.40 | heurist | ZitZ: try time ls -R > /dev/null and try it more than once |
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| 02:25.34 | th0mas_ | Im really a noob with linux so any help would be appreciated but out of the blue I started getting very slow speeds from my dedicated server was looking for some help on troubleshotting |
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| 02:27.48 | tekzilla | th0mas_: check 'top' for high I/O load (iowait) and if you are using alot of swap |
| 02:28.23 | th0mas_ | thanks for answering, do I just run "top" |
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| 02:28.31 | tekzilla | yes |
| 02:29.24 | tekzilla | you'd have to install it, but 'atop' is even nicer for tracking load problems, it will show your storage volumes, which process has disk activity etc |
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| 02:32.03 | th0mas_ | tekzilla: well I have top running not sure what I am looking for tho |
| 02:32.22 | th0mas_ | KiB Swap: 999420 total, 105952 used, 893468 free, 5341352 cached |
| 02:32.53 | tekzilla | ok so its not using alot of swap, thats good |
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| 02:33.15 | tekzilla | any iowait in the stats above ? |
| 02:33.51 | th0mas_ | I don't see anything that says iowait |
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| 02:34.07 | tekzilla | ah, 'wa' |
| 02:34.24 | th0mas_ | 0.0 :) |
| 02:34.57 | tekzilla | ok then you basically seem to have no issues :) looked for processes hogging cpu ? |
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| 02:35.29 | th0mas_ | nothing hogging cpu either... |
| 02:36.13 | th0mas_ | here is my speedtest benchmarks |
| 02:36.14 | th0mas_ | http://pastebin.com/ZnkKMe8Y |
| 02:36.50 | tekzilla | ah, your CPU are set to save power |
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| 02:37.08 | th0mas_ | I am closest to softlayer dc and I am only getting 400kbps via vsftpd |
| 02:37.33 | th0mas_ | I never had an issue prior to the last few days |
| 02:37.52 | tekzilla | i dont know the correct way, but you can 'echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' |
| 02:37.58 | tekzilla | and do that for cpu1,2,3.. |
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| 02:38.08 | tekzilla | there is also cpufreqd where you can set the preference in a config |
| 02:38.15 | tekzilla | see if that speeds it up again |
| 02:40.08 | th0mas_ | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory |
| 02:40.44 | tekzilla | mh is that your own server ? |
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| 02:40.56 | tekzilla | i mean, did you build the hardware ? |
| 02:41.00 | th0mas_ | One I rent |
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| 02:41.31 | tekzilla | ok, if frequency scaling is enabled in the bios, the kernel module should load automatically |
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| 02:42.59 | un214 | how dangerous do you suppose this is: http://lancelot.hardel.me/blog/2013/08/24/install-intel-hd-graphics-driver-for-haswell-debian.html |
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| 02:44.37 | heurist | dpkg: tell un214 -about frankendebian |
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| 02:45.06 | un214 | well scratch that |
| 02:45.43 | un214 | looking for drivers |
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| 02:46.31 | heurist | ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 02:46.32 | judd | Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-intel in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 02:46.45 | heurist | dpkg: tell un214 -about ssb |
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| 02:48.04 | un214 | bleetch. The only way that pull was going to work was by pulling in newer deps |
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| 02:48.34 | heurist | ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-intel --fromrelease experimental |
| 02:48.35 | judd | Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-intel in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 02:49.07 | mo1991 | how long does it take for an upload request to go through for sid? I know that such a request has been made for a new compiz version, just curious how long before we see it in sid? |
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| 02:49.33 | un214 | that's the problem, it's not a satisfied dependency, it's one of its dependencies that needs to be upgraded |
| 02:49.33 | heurist | un214: maybe you can self backport that driver as per the ssb bot message |
| 02:49.46 | un214 | yeah but which package is it |
| 02:50.13 | un214 | xserver-xorg-video-intel is in backports |
| 02:50.25 | un214 | some gx package it depends on for 3d rendering is out of date |
| 02:51.45 | un214 | if I knew which one I'd try that all right |
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| 03:01.29 | hotwings | is there any way to speed up the "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" step in booting? seems like it takes a long time. somebody said its because udev tries to populate every usb address but i dunno if theres any truth in that...? |
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| 03:02.13 | ori | hello. i'd like to report that the SSL certificate for https://php.debian.net/ is invalid. |
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| 03:04.47 | unreal-dude | what might cause a system to start hanging. I can access my user through ssh fine. if i try to login to root or use sudo the session hangs unresponsive. now htop and top are unresponsive on my own user, they weren't when the issue started. And ofcoarse, I can't see logs currently without powering down. |
| 03:05.43 | hotwings | unreal-dude - chinese or russian hackers wrecking havoc? |
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| 03:08.24 | ori | unreal-dude: can you get the output of 'ps aux'? |
| 03:08.48 | unreal-dude | oh yes, I can |
| 03:09.28 | unreal-dude | lol, tab complete locks the session aswell |
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| 03:17.35 | askaduckdu | suuuup |
| 03:17.39 | askaduckdu | who uses antix |
| 03:17.51 | askaduckdu | im curious |
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| 03:18.55 | askaduckdu | hi Pixionus |
| 03:18.55 | askaduckdu | pingveno: |
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| 03:19.06 | hotwings | sethj - WA? |
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| 03:20.13 | sethj | The state, yes. |
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| 03:21.05 | free_speech | if I contribute .deb packages to my Debian DVD 1, does the installer then install my added packages automatically? ( Yeah, I know 'bout dpkg-scanpackages and that I'll have to use it - but is that all? ) - I want an installation medium which also contains the packages installed after the system installation ... |
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| 03:22.23 | Arrowmaster | i believe you would have to tell the installer to install the added packages |
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| 03:41.18 | Pixionus | Did I know you? Sorry suck with names |
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| 04:43.28 | sithfm | so ive' done about 3 package upgrades in a row which all seem like they complete, however when apt-get or aptitude exit they still show many upgrades |
| 04:43.40 | sithfm | i'm trying it this time as `aptitude full-upgrade` |
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| 04:45.21 | sithfm | first two were `aptitude upgrade` and then `apt-get upgrade` |
| 04:45.29 | owen1 | xmodmap -e 'keycode 110 = Insert NoSymbol Insert' this command turn my home key into insert. how to modify that to shift+insert? |
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| 05:56.40 | Contrl | There is an issue with my system. |
| 05:57.02 | Contrl | For some reason, when I go into Gnome Classic ( which is what I normally use ), it will kick me back into the login screen. |
| 05:57.21 | Contrl | It hasn't happened yet, and I'm on the regular "Gnome" |
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| 05:58.19 | Contrl | My sources.list is as follows: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib // deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib // deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free // deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib // deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-beta // deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports ma |
| 05:58.43 | Contrl | http://ftp.us.debian.org did not work, and so I switched it to uk |
| 05:59.20 | Contrl | Is there any command I should run, or logs I should post? |
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| 06:47.30 | Test____ | Hi , why is "apt-get install flashplayer", not working on deain 7.5 lxde ? |
| 06:47.44 | Test____ | how do i install the flashplayer then ? |
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| 07:07.36 | NestleTae | hello, is anyone here to help? |
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| 07:10.47 | NestleTae | Anyone? |
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| 07:13.48 | heurist | !ask |
| 07:13.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:19.03 | NestleTae | I have a problem with understanding and creating a RAMDisk on a Linux, there are softwares to do it in Windows, but I am absolutely clueless in Linux. The reason why I am doing this is because I am currently an owner of a server, which has multiple VPSs, A friend told me to use a certain program you would need to do ramcache/ramdisk on both the VM AND the HOST. I sort of understand what he mean s but I can't find any articles to r |
| 07:19.44 | NestleTae | start. Can you guys help by explaining or point me in the right direction (website, textbook) to read so that I can understand clearer? Thank you. |
| 07:22.29 | heurist | NestleTae: the simplest "ramdisk" in linux would probably be tmpfs. start with googling that. see man tmpfs run mount | grep tmpfs to see if you already have any on your system |
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| 07:25.03 | NestleTae | heurist: Thanks, I will take a look at tmpfs. Much appreciated! |
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| 07:34.49 | _Virtuoso_ | spanish? |
| 07:35.36 | heurist | !debian-es |
| 07:35.37 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃÂnea de chat. |
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| 07:36.54 | ori | that's pretty cool :) |
| 07:37.17 | CarlGel | hmm, getting a kernel panic :/ |
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| 07:37.42 | CarlGel | I dun goofed and accidently ran fsck without unmounting |
| 07:38.01 | CarlGel | windows appears to be booting, on the same hdd but differemt partition |
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| 07:39.20 | NestleTae | haha, so hard to read the messages with all these joined and quits |
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| 07:39.57 | CarlGel | hide join/quits |
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| 07:41.28 | babilen | (or make them fade into the background by using a very very dark gray on black background for them) |
| 07:42.02 | CarlGel | Okay, the partition is also still readable |
| 07:42.14 | CarlGel | (thanks ext2read) |
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| 07:42.20 | CarlGel | but I can't boot |
| 07:42.44 | CarlGel | details in a moment... |
| 07:43.10 | CarlGel | god damn it windows |
| 07:43.13 | CarlGel | updates |
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| 07:43.24 | lucas_ | hi |
| 07:43.24 | CarlGel | 2 of 110 |
| 07:43.28 | lucas_ | good morning |
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| 07:44.20 | babilen | NestleTae: http://i.imgur.com/ZzFwoAn.png exemplifies that |
| 07:44.36 | lucas_ | I want to know if octave is better software for enginner than phisics calculators... like texa or hp |
| 07:45.34 | NestleTae | Im on web IRC sadly, I might have to do the hide command. |
| 07:46.18 | babilen | lucas_: Please ask in ##physics and in an octave related channel. That really isn't a Debian related technical problem |
| 07:46.56 | lucas_ | sorry |
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| 07:48.53 | CarlGel | *whacks windows with a stick* |
| 07:49.02 | CarlGel | just let me see the kernel panic already |
| 07:49.14 | CarlGel | screw your updates |
| 07:49.37 | babilen | relax :) |
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| 07:50.37 | CarlGel | never had to deal with a kernel panic before so I'm scared about the following: buying a new mobo, hdd, or reinstalling debian |
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| 07:52.05 | heurist | CarlGel: fsck on a mounted filesystem will corrupt that filesystem. there is a good change that you will nave to reinstall, but that should fix it. unless you needed to fsck because of hardware issues in the first place. |
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| 07:53.06 | CarlGel | yep, forgot to specify which disk I wanted read |
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| 07:54.12 | CarlGel | I have a question though, why is ext2read still able to read it if it's borked? just theoretical |
| 07:54.13 | heurist | CarlGel: "forgot" does not really gel with this though. you have to try really hard to make fsck run on a mounted fs. |
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| 07:54.30 | heurist | CarlGel: "corrupted" is not the same as gone. |
| 07:54.43 | CarlGel | sudo fsck |
| 07:54.49 | CarlGel | and accidently hit enter :v |
| 07:54.59 | CarlGel | 0/10 would not do again |
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| 08:01.57 | SFENCE | Hi. I have started to have a problem with boot to the system. It looks like some unit of systemd failed. First error is get by systemd-remount-fs[273]. "mount: /usr not mounted or bad option" and " /bin/mount for /usr exited with status 32", and next one is "Failed to start Remount and kernel File Systems.". I have installed debian jessie with kernel 3.12.9-1. Have anybody idea what to do? |
| 08:02.38 | heurist | SFENCE: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:04.19 | SFENCE | heurist: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 08:14.15 | Arrowmaster | im looking to change the default program that opens when i plug my phone into my computer, i suspect its controlled by a gvfs setting? |
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| 08:24.05 | valdyn | CarlGel: thats not how it works, fsck would abort "/dev/mapper/server-root is mounted. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting." |
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| 08:27.03 | CarlGel | well then my problem is unrelated? well, I'll see as soon as I can |
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| 08:47.12 | plotino | hello |
| 08:47.26 | plotino | i have just update debian from 6 to 7 |
| 08:47.33 | NestleTae | !ask |
| 08:47.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:47.34 | plotino | squeeze to wheezy |
| 08:47.52 | plotino | but i have problem with GUI |
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| 08:48.21 | plotino | at login i can choose from gnome (gnome-shell), gnome classic and twm |
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| 08:48.29 | plotino | currently only twm wors properly |
| 08:48.47 | plotino | for gdm, i have different issues |
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| 08:48.56 | plotino | gnome-shell crashs |
| 08:49.14 | plotino | while gnome classic show display problem |
| 08:49.32 | plotino | infact the bars are dark and there is no menu available |
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| 08:49.53 | plotino | i have already checked the corretness of video card driver installation |
| 08:50.05 | plotino | i have nvidia GeForce 440 Mx |
| 08:50.24 | plotino | any idea or check to be don? |
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| 09:07.03 | anonnumberanon | Hi I'm wantin gto allocate more memory to both my OSes, what should I do? You can see I have 240GB free to share between Debian 7 and Windblows 7. http://i.imgur.com/LQ9TnaX.jpg |
| 09:07.26 | Agd_Scorp | winblows 7? |
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| 09:08.36 | anonnumberanon | Weeblowz 7 yeah. |
| 09:08.37 | plotino | any iudea? |
| 09:09.01 | anonnumberanon | I just upgraded my harddrive. |
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| 09:15.03 | jpinx | does anyone know how to solve the multiple net.agent and sleep instances that keep appearing inme system? I'm running stable + backports |
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| 09:15.19 | Guest3824 | what is the type of your new harddrive. |
| 09:15.47 | Skyrider | Greetings |
| 09:16.03 | Skyrider | Anyone happen to know if there's a bitcoin history/transaction lookup packages for debian? |
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| 09:21.46 | anonnumberanon | Guest3824, this hard drive I got from a friend's laptop that got a gpu that got too hot so I bought him from him for a good price and now I want to use it in my PC. |
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| 09:23.44 | Guest3824 | what type of your firend`s laptop. |
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| 09:25.47 | Guest3824 | what company of that laptop? |
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| 09:26.39 | NestleTae | heurist: Apparently, I learnt the wrong thing, I was meant to learn about RAMCache, but not the ram cache that I am thinking. |
| 09:27.35 | NestleTae | heurist: Truthfully, I don't even know what I am meant to learn, I understand RAMDisk now (thanks) but it's RAMCache which I need to learn, Host and VM. |
| 09:28.03 | NestleTae | heurist: this type of caching: http://serverfault.com/questions/43383/caching-preloading-files-on-linux-into-ram |
| 09:29.36 | NestleTae | heurist: wrong link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6345020/linux-memory-buffer-vs-cache |
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| 09:31.25 | NestleTae | Oh, RAMCache CACHE, not RAMCache Buffer... |
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| 09:38.13 | NestleTae | Now I'm lost again. |
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| 09:41.10 | anonnumberanon | Guest3824 is weird |
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| 09:47.35 | Sia- | something is wrong with lighttpd and php cgi on debian??? |
| 09:47.42 | Sia- | http://pastie.org/9736059 |
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| 09:48.22 | Sia- | do u have any idea, the google is full with this issue. no concrete answer yet |
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| 09:54.51 | Abhijit | !ops YoLtA is spamming is pm. |
| 09:54.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: abhijit complains about: YoLtA is spamming is pm. |
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| 10:28.51 | NestleTae | can anyone point me to the direction to learn about prolonging ram cache? |
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| 10:34.21 | valdyn | !wayttd NestleTae |
| 10:34.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NestleTae? |
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| 10:35.20 | flux242 | he obviously trying to prolong ram cache, whatever that means |
| 10:37.35 | NestleTae | valdyn: I have this program called Jingling which uses a lot of temp files. A traffic exchange program practically. So it uses a lot of temp files going through the websites, what I am thinking on doing is increasing the ram cache prolong time so that the files can be reaccessed more frequently without having to lose it all and redownloading/slowingthe vps down. |
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| 10:37.58 | valdyn | NestleTae: what is a "prolong time" |
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| 10:38.19 | Abhijit | like hibernate and wake up in 2050? |
| 10:38.33 | valdyn | NestleTae: you really want a caching proxy |
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| 10:39.08 | NestleTae | valdyn: ram cache is cleared every few minutes right? I was hoping to know if there's a way to increase that time frame to an hour. Caching proxy? |
| 10:39.16 | valdyn | NestleTae: alternatively you can change the program jingling to do the right thing |
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| 10:39.29 | valdyn | NestleTae: ram cache is not cleared |
| 10:40.07 | valdyn | NestleTae: ram cache is only evicted when the ram is needed for something else |
| 10:40.33 | NestleTae | valdyn: oh? So it just stays there until is needed for something else- oh, yep. |
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| 10:41.33 | valdyn | NestleTae: yes, pages are sorted by last recent use and the least recently used is evicted first |
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| 10:42.59 | valdyn | NestleTae: but that really has nothing to do with your program |
| 10:43.04 | NestleTae | valdyn: Ah, alright. I get it now. |
| 10:43.27 | valdyn | NestleTae: ram cannot be used as a website cache like that |
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| 10:44.43 | NestleTae | valdyn: Oh. wow, I thought it does. Maybe im confusing myself with ramdisk, or just completely lost. |
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| 10:45.34 | valdyn | NestleTae: the automatic ram cache in modern operating systems caches files. It is totally unaware of plain network downloads, and it cannot cache those |
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| 10:46.45 | valdyn | NestleTae: so what you want is to fix that program or to put it behind a caching proxy |
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| 10:47.14 | NestleTae | valdyn: Right, so it doesn't effect the caching of ram what so ever. Okay, then I might have to look into caching proxies. |
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| 10:49.08 | NestleTae | valdyn: thank you valdyn for explaining and directing me, much appreciated. |
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| 10:56.22 | NestleTae | valdyn: pmed. |
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| 10:58.24 | valdyn | NestleTae: no pm please |
| 10:58.48 | NestleTae | valdyn: oh, sorry, this is what he replied; http://i.hizliresim.com/nG1dDV.png |
| 10:58.53 | valdyn | NestleTae: he is talking about how to make a virtual machine run faster (at the expense of safety) |
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| 10:59.44 | NestleTae | valdyn: oh, now that made a lot of sense. hahaha, but what should i study to understand how to do this? I've never heard of cachedisk before. |
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| 11:00.16 | valdyn | NestleTae: you cant do that anyway in a hosted vp where you cannot access the host |
| 11:00.21 | valdyn | NestleTae: you cant do that anyway in a hosted *vps* where you cannot access the host |
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| 11:01.19 | NestleTae | valdyn: I'm actually new to hosting, and I currently have in hand a server, but I'm still learning. I have access to host, but I don't know the way to do what he was teaching. |
| 11:01.58 | valdyn | NestleTae: i cant teach you. |
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| 11:02.34 | NestleTae | valdyn: is there a direction which you can point me to? textbooks, articles? |
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| 11:10.26 | deb-l2tp | but from server1 to server2 the bw is only 2mbit |
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| 11:10.34 | Walex | deb-l2tp: "SDSL" means symmetric, so they ought to have the same speed both ways |
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| 11:11.19 | deb-l2tp | yes thats my problem a normal speedtest says 4mbit in both ways on both servers |
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| 11:11.49 | deb-l2tp | but as soon as i establish the l2tp tunnel the us is 2mbit and downstream 4mbit |
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| 11:12.21 | Walex | deb-l2tp: the the 2mb is for encrypted packets only? |
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| 11:12.48 | deb-l2tp | well the default route from location 1 goes over the l2tp tunnelö |
| 11:12.51 | deb-l2tp | *tunnel |
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| 11:13.39 | deb-l2tp | and the traffic as i know is not encrypted |
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| 11:14.21 | deb-l2tp | in fact this l2tp tunnel is established because of qos on my sdsl link |
| 11:14.36 | deb-l2tp | because my provider does not provide qos its only a internet link |
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| 11:14.49 | Walex | deb-l2tp: try something like 'mtr -t -s 500 $OTHER' on both sides and then try again with '-s 1000' and '-s 1400' |
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| 11:15.59 | Walex | deb-l2tp: that may tell you where bottlenecks are if any, and whether there is some MTU issue. |
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| 11:18.10 | Walex | deb-l2tp: a lot depends on the details of how you setup the tunnel, and whether it gets QoS-ed itself. Also this is likely to have little to do with Debian, so perhaps you could ask in ##Networking |
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| 11:22.35 | mesaboogie1 | I'd like to make a simple webpage to share one or two files, and I'm sshing into a restricted box (no root) to do it? |
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| 11:23.02 | Walex | mesaboogie1: probably, if you say so. |
| 11:23.26 | mesaboogie1 | would that be possible? |
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| 11:23.42 | Walex | mesaboogie1: yes, just choose a port that is above 1024 |
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| 11:24.22 | mesaboogie1 | why would I do that Walex? |
| 11:24.40 | Walex | mesaboogie1: try and see |
| 11:25.28 | mesaboogie1 | ok,.. what program(s) do I need to set up? |
| 11:25.48 | Walex | mesaboogie1: any small HTTP daemon |
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| 11:26.09 | Walex | mesaboogie1: or even not small as long as you recompile it to install in your home directory. |
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| 11:26.30 | GNU\colossus | python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
| 11:26.43 | Walex | GNU\colossus: good example... Also Boa IIRC |
| 11:26.50 | mesaboogie1 | oh nice |
| 11:26.53 | GNU\colossus | well yes, also thttpd |
| 11:27.03 | GNU\colossus | but python's built in httpd is deployed nearly everywhere already :) |
| 11:27.46 | GNU\colossus | if you need another port, use `python -m SimpleHTTPServer <portnum>` |
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| 11:28.53 | mesaboogie1 | I have to login. Can I make the webpage 'public'? |
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| 11:30.10 | Walex | mesaboogie1: you have to login to the SSH server. You would be setting yp your own HTTP server and you can decide who logins to your HTTP server and whether it is required. |
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| 11:30.51 | linuxator | how to prevent hard disk failure? |
| 11:30.53 | mesaboogie1 | oh wow that sounds great |
| 11:31.23 | Walex | linuxator: the only known method is intense prayer and total faith :-) |
| 11:31.40 | GNU\colossus | hehe! |
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| 11:32.19 | GNU\colossus | mesaboogie1, maybe take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Apache |
| 11:32.28 | GNU\colossus | if you want to permanently operate an http daemon |
| 11:33.43 | linuxator | Walex, i mean,ther than that,mount options |
| 11:34.08 | Walex | GNU\colossus: I get the impression that "mesaboogie1" would be a bit daunted by running Apache... |
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| 11:35.19 | GNU\colossus | Walex, maybe, but apache2 will be the best-documented and least-restricted (whenever he may feel like doing more with it in the future) choice, I think |
| 11:35.50 | Walex | linuxator: that seems to me a really bizarre question. Do you think that mount options can prevent disk failure? |
| 11:36.20 | Walex | linuxator: why do you ask? what's your worry or objective? |
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| 11:37.49 | linuxator | Walex, something like noatime or oedered data |
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| 11:38.59 | Walex | linuxator: that is a rather perplexing statement. 'noatime' has little relationship to preventing disk failure, and 'data=ordered' perhaps not very much either. |
| 11:39.02 | GNU\colossus | maybe linuxator has a different (possibly wrong :)) understanding of what "hard disk failure" means. my understanding is that it's limited to the failure to retrieving and/or storing data from the physical hard disk itself. |
| 11:39.18 | GNU\colossus | from/to* |
| 11:39.20 | GNU\colossus | actually |
| 11:39.26 | Walex | that why I asked him what is worry or goal is... |
| 11:40.04 | Walex | linuxator: there is a chance that you are using technical terms without explaining what they mean to you |
| 11:40.21 | Walex | is feeling euphemistic |
| 11:40.30 | GNU\colossus | :D |
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| 11:41.16 | linuxator | Walex, let's say writing errors instead |
| 11:41.37 | mesaboogie1 | Walex, thanks that's really interesting |
| 11:41.43 | Walex | linuxator: preventing them is still pretty hard |
| 11:42.13 | mesaboogie1 | if I'm in an ssh session, how can I open two terminals/shells |
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| 11:42.21 | linuxator | for i write on ext3 fs via freebsd |
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| 11:42.25 | GNU\colossus | you actually have to trust your harddisk to "just work". if you need more availability than a single harddisk can provide, you need to look for solutions involving redundancy, i. e. RAID |
| 11:42.36 | Walex | mesaboogie1: 'screen', 'twx', ... |
| 11:42.38 | GNU\colossus | or distributed, replicated storage like drbd or ceph |
| 11:42.56 | GNU\colossus | if you need your data to be safe, keep backups. |
| 11:43.02 | GNU\colossus | actually, scratch that, and alway keep backups |
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| 11:43.21 | GNU\colossus | if you don't think you need backups, chances are you are just not aware of how important your data is to you |
| 11:43.26 | mesaboogie1 | yep screen - thanks |
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| 11:43.33 | Walex | linuxator: is your question really "how do I minimize damage when eventually my disk has read or write errors"? |
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| 11:44.06 | Walex | mesaboogie1: for the chromed-fins version of 'screen' try 'byobu' |
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| 11:44.52 | mesaboogie1 | so how can I "install" programs in my home folder? I don't get that |
| 11:44.52 | linuxator | Walex, no but rather"would writing on ext3 via freebsd harem jounal? |
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| 11:45.18 | GNU\colossus | the filesystem journal is not a property of your hard disk media |
| 11:45.47 | GNU\colossus | if freebsd implements the ext3 semantics correctly, it should not harm the filesystem when writing to it. it has nothing to do with hardware though. |
| 11:45.52 | Walex | linuxator: I am ever more confused, as this is #Debian and not #FreeBSD |
| 11:46.06 | GNU\colossus | Walex, there's debian-kfreebsd, is there not? ;) |
| 11:46.12 | g00se | How is it that Windoze can cope with a buggy bios yet Linux can't? |
| 11:46.20 | NewDeb | hi guys how i install enlightenment on debian7? There is a guide? |
| 11:46.22 | linuxator | i'm also a debian user |
| 11:46.37 | Walex | linuxator: that's a bit of a tenuous link :-) |
| 11:46.45 | GNU\colossus | g00se, that's because the manufacturer tested its bugy bIOS with windows only, and hammered it until it worked with Windows (and Windows alone) |
| 11:47.03 | GNU\colossus | *buggy BIOS |
| 11:47.43 | Walex | NewDeb: https://packages.qa.debian.org/e/e17.html might be a starting point |
| 11:48.06 | mesaboogie1 | oh thanks |
| 11:48.09 | mesaboogie1 | cya |
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| 11:51.04 | Walex | NewDeb: the bad news it does not seem to be avalaible for the current release |
| 11:51.35 | NewDeb | Walex: thank you |
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| 11:51.49 | g00se | GNU\colossus: I thought it might be something like that. It's a battery recharging thing |
| 11:51.50 | Walex | NewDeb: what you can do is however backport it, it should be quite easy |
| 11:51.54 | valdyn | g00se: windows cant cope with buggy bios |
| 11:52.10 | valdyn | g00se: bios is tuned to just work with windows of course |
| 11:52.38 | NewDeb | Walex: is it in testing/unstable or stable? |
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| 11:53.04 | Walex | NewDeb: currently only in the 'testing' and 'unstable' archives |
| 11:53.07 | Arkonide | i need some help (ideas, hints), i want be notifying (via mail) when a user loggend in in a protected folder (.htaccess) the userlogin is logged in /var/log/apache2/userame (like this 92.189.*.* - twpuser [21/Nov/2014:12:06:01 +0100] "GET /ftpserver/michael/ ), so any ideas? |
| 11:53.47 | moli|3 | hi all. dpkg or apt hangs when i try upgrading or removing mailman (2.1.18). |
| 11:53.47 | NewDeb | Walex: i think that i'll change option :) |
| 11:54.17 | moli|3 | hangs with "Looking for enabled languages" when upgrading and with "Removing mailman (1:2.1.18-1) ..." when dpkg --purge'ing |
| 11:54.27 | moli|3 | any ideas about how to debug this? |
| 11:54.35 | g00se | wishes the bios manufacturers could provide platform-neutral patches |
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| 11:54.40 | moli|3 | tried searching with ixquick and in logs. no avail |
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| 11:55.16 | valdyn | moli|3: when you uninstall th /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailman.postrm is executed |
| 11:55.43 | moli|3 | valdyn: yes. i was considering trying to run the postrm steps manually |
| 11:55.49 | moli|3 | is that the way to go? |
| 11:55.55 | valdyn | moli|3: just edit it to enable debugging |
| 11:56.07 | moli|3 | valdyn: ok. thanks! |
| 11:56.33 | g00se | Arkonide: poll the access log? |
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| 11:57.52 | Arkonide | g00se: what u mean with poll? |
| 11:58.17 | g00se | Read it periodically |
| 11:58.27 | g00se | Even tail -f |
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| 12:00.24 | Arkonide | g00se: but i don't want read the log myself all the time i want an e-mail, wenn the user logged in |
| 12:00.46 | Arkonide | like logwatch, etc. |
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| 12:02.02 | Arkonide | if trigger (footer) /var/log/apache2/domainname then email to foobar@example.com subject user logged in. something like this |
| 12:02.29 | Arkonide | footer = foobar |
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| 12:04.06 | g00se | Probably something already written. But _I_ don't know what |
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| 12:05.22 | chb | Arkonide, I think logwatch can do that |
| 12:05.29 | chb | with some custom filter |
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| 12:05.47 | Arkonide | dogwatch is allergy running, it would be nice if there is possible |
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| 12:06.09 | chb | if you got that output somewhere in a config file, logwatch can parse it |
| 12:06.11 | Arkonide | i read the man |
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| 12:21.12 | Simplar | hello |
| 12:22.28 | Simplar | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9171360/ what do I need to make all the gears stated here work with Debian 7.7? |
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| 12:25.53 | dshoisda | hi, i have debian wheezy. then i put jessie in the apt sources and updated some programms. now i cant start gnome-shell. i tried to delet the jessie source in apt sources and apt install gnome-shell but it didnt work. can anyone give me a hint to make gnome-shell work again? without reinstalling tho whole system |
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| 12:30.58 | Walex | dshoisda: that was a very bad idea |
| 12:31.35 | dshoisda | yes now i know that too |
| 12:31.47 | Walex | dshoisda: you ought to downgrade all packages you installed from the 'testing' archive to come from 7/Wheezy |
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| 12:32.47 | Walex | your question is extremely optimistic |
| 12:34.53 | GNU\colossus | dshoisda, save yourself some pain and upgrade everything to jessie instead. |
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| 12:36.23 | dshoisda | no i cant. i had jessie but i also have an luks encrypted hdd and jessie is not staple enough for that. i am going to try to downgrade with apt pinning to wheezy |
| 12:36.34 | dshoisda | *stable |
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| 12:43.38 | Walex | dshoisda: when I do things like that I use 'aptitude' because it is easy to pick and choose which version of which package you want. |
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| 12:44.01 | Walex | actually knows what he is doing when he delves into hacky stuff like that... |
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| 12:47.34 | dshoisda | yeah bu i actually dont know what i am doing. i just wanted to install the jessie version of processing and freenect to play with my kinect and then while me not reading whats written on the screen just klicking 'y' it happened... |
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| 13:15.49 | NGC3982 | I recently installed 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 on my Aspire Revo system. When installing Emulationstation i notice that it does not detect my display. I google and notice that i seem to need drivers for my Nvidia ION card. My card is supported according to Wheezy-backports. I added the repository, installed the headers and kernel module according to the guide (url). I created the xorg.conf file according to the same guide and rebooted the system. |
| 13:16.34 | NGC3982 | It still tells me that Emulationstation cannot find any video card, and i cannot startx. The log tells me this: http://paste.debian.net/132966/ |
| 13:16.45 | NGC3982 | This is the guide i am using: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports |
| 13:17.01 | NGC3982 | "(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 13:17.10 | NGC3982 | Is the only reference in the Xorg log file. |
| 13:17.17 | NGC3982 | I don't really have a clue on how to continue. |
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| 13:18.18 | NGC3982 | Is the Wheezy Backport drivers the same as Nouveau? The troubleshoot in the same guide above tells me that it is incompatible with Nouveau and will result in a black screen. |
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| 13:19.54 | dutchfish | !tell NGC3982 about nvidia |
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| 13:21.55 | dutchfish | NGC3982, what does lspci tells you about the card? |
| 13:21.55 | NGC3982 | dutchfish: Yes, thank you. That doesn't really add to anything, though. |
| 13:22.00 | NGC3982 | It tells me this: |
| 13:22.44 | Percy- | Hey! I have a question that kind of relates to debian.. anybody willing to assist me? I'm trying to install couch potato and ran into an issue... it's most likely because a package isn't installed but i'm not sure as i'm still a newbie |
| 13:22.45 | NGC3982 | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation ION VGA [10de:087d] (rev b1) |
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| 13:23.20 | NGC3982 | dutchfish: When looking trough the "Supported devices" list, i notice my card is in •Version 319.82. |
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| 13:24.16 | NGC3982 | I clicked it and used the given guidance. |
| 13:24.24 | NGC3982 | So i'm unclear as what i actually did bad. :| |
| 13:24.25 | dutchfish | ok, fair enough |
| 13:24.46 | dutchfish | maybe not much, did you walk through the netire install section? |
| 13:24.53 | dutchfish | entire* |
| 13:25.24 | dutchfish | you need the headers from backport |
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| 13:25.44 | dutchfish | and the right kernel from backport as well |
| 13:25.52 | NGC3982 | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation |
| 13:25.59 | NGC3982 | You mean that? (part 3 and 4). |
| 13:26.32 | dutchfish | yes |
| 13:26.44 | dutchfish | did thta finish without errors? |
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| 13:27.15 | dutchfish | check your install base if those match up what is in backports |
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| 13:27.50 | NGC3982 | It seemed to finish without error. I'm re-doing it right now for doing sake. |
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| 13:29.16 | NGC3982 | dutchfish: Allright. I'm getting the Nouveau conflict screen. It tell's me to reboot, so i'll ..reboot. |
| 13:29.26 | dutchfish | OK |
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| 13:31.31 | NGC3982 | dutchfish: Should i go trough with the Xorg configuration file step before rebooting? |
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| 13:32.01 | dutchfish | NGC3982, you could |
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| 13:33.27 | NGC3982 | Allright, X started by itself. |
| 13:33.53 | NGC3982 | I do not think i need to create the configuration file again, since it looks identical since last time i tried it. |
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| 13:34.05 | dutchfish | yes, its a one timer |
| 13:34.21 | NGC3982 | So, i guess i should try Emulationstation then. |
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| 13:34.46 | dutchfish | NGC3982, check your dmesg and Xorg.0.log first |
| 13:34.46 | NGC3982 | Great, ES starts while in desktop |
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| 13:34.51 | NGC3982 | Oh, ok. |
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| 13:35.05 | dutchfish | NGC3982, to make sure everything works as expected |
| 13:35.15 | dutchfish | NGC3982, have fun |
| 13:36.43 | NGC3982 | Dmesg does not indicate any errors, and neither does Xorg.0.log. |
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| 13:37.00 | dutchfish | good |
| 13:37.17 | NGC3982 | Although, i can't still start ES from console. |
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| 13:37.38 | dutchfish | NGC3982, i have no idea about that, but you could ask others |
| 13:37.42 | NGC3982 | My ambition is to never use the desktop enviroment. Although, i guess it's an Emulationstation error and not a Debian/Nvidia error. |
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| 13:38.10 | NGC3982 | dutchfish: My most humble thanks, by the way. :-) |
| 13:38.16 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:40.31 | dutchfish | NGC3982, just a hunch, have you tried to start ES from the commandline as nonn-root? |
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| 13:42.13 | NGC3982 | Not really, actually. |
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| 13:42.31 | NGC3982 | Oh, yes i have. I just did ..i noticed. |
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| 13:44.22 | dutchfish | NGC3982, and secondly, at the top of my hat it needs some commandline paramters, but i forgot what they where. |
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| 13:44.52 | NGC3982 | I haven't more than gazed trough the Getting Started page |
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| 13:44.59 | NGC3982 | I think i'll get there eventually. :-) |
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| 13:45.08 | dutchfish | ok, fair enough, have fun |
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| 13:55.50 | jmd | How do I find out the upstream source url of a package ? |
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| 13:56.57 | Slydder | I am currently using stat to get the file system status of a remote mount on a client system to check whether or not the mount point has gone stale or not. is there a better (more reliable) way to check this? |
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| 13:59.51 | dutchfish | jmd, from the debian package repo? |
| 14:00.19 | jmd | dutchfish: Is that a question or a statement? |
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| 14:00.37 | linuxator | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.51 | dutchfish | jmd, i tried both |
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| 14:01.22 | jmd | dutchfish: Anyway, which repo, which file in the repo? |
| 14:01.25 | jmd | URL ? |
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| 14:02.14 | Arkonide | maldet(23212): {mon} could not find inotify command, dabei ist das doch installiert "inotify-tools 3.14-1 " |
| 14:02.17 | dutchfish | jmd, i was referring to debian packaging web pages, most have a link to upstream |
| 14:02.18 | Arkonide | hmm |
| 14:02.25 | Arkonide | oh sorry english, forget it :) |
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| 14:02.39 | Arkonide | maldet(23212): {mon} could not find inotify command, but "inotify-tools 3.14-1 " is allergy installed |
| 14:02.43 | dutchfish | jmd, which package? |
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| 14:03.37 | jmd | At the moment, I'm interested in libvisual-plugins |
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| 14:07.23 | dutchfish | jmd, at it seams to me now, there is no real maintainer and QA has taken it under the hood https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=packages@qa.debian.org |
| 14:07.46 | NGC3982 | Do you think i benefit anything from running Emulationstation from console instead of the desktop enviroment? |
| 14:07.48 | dutchfish | jmd, also https://packages.qa.debian.org/libv/libvisual-plugins.html |
| 14:08.11 | linuxator | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.17 | dutchfish | jmd, i admit it can be tough the find the origin at times |
| 14:08.44 | jmd | And where does it tell me the upstream url? |
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| 14:09.45 | dutchfish | jmd, if i really wanted to know 'dget -x http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libv/libvisual-plugins/libvisual-plugins_0.4.0.dfsg.1-7.dsc' and delve into the /debian dir. |
| 14:10.39 | dutchfish | jmd, too bad it isnt on the net for that package |
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| 14:11.17 | dutchfish | jmd, good coders have it in the source, always |
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| 14:16.36 | dutchfish | jmd, i pulled it, it is in the debian/AUTHORS file |
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| 14:17.35 | jmd | Like you say, it would be nice if it was available somewhere on www.debian.org and/or in apc-cache show |
| 14:17.44 | dutchfish | true |
| 14:18.07 | dutchfish | notes another wish for the xmas tree |
| 14:18.46 | dutchfish | i dont know if AUTHORS is in the bin package however, not checked that |
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| 14:19.13 | dutchfish | then it would be trivial to extract that |
| 14:19.42 | valdyn | linuxator: read and write the whole disk, read the bad sector count smart value |
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| 14:20.05 | dutchfish | jmd, most of the time, when i am intrested in a package, i start with pulling the source anyway |
| 14:20.20 | dutchfish | jmd, so i have no actual need to find it out another way |
| 14:20.40 | linuxator | valdyn, how to read and write ..? |
| 14:20.59 | dutchfish | jmd, also, devscripts is your friend |
| 14:21.03 | valdyn | linuxator: due to how harddisks work and replace bad sectors a bad sector found when *reading* may be replaced by a good one on the next write |
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| 14:21.55 | valdyn | linuxator: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdb ; cat /dev/sdb > /dev/null |
| 14:22.10 | valdyn | linuxator: this may take a long time, you may prefer to use something like ddrescue |
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| 14:22.27 | valdyn | linuxator: (just because it has nicer display) |
| 14:22.54 | linuxator | but this will delete all data in there.right? |
| 14:23.00 | valdyn | linuxator: yes, of course |
| 14:23.16 | linuxator | i wanna keep it |
| 14:23.23 | valdyn | linuxator: so make a backup |
| 14:23.45 | valdyn | linuxator: or you can do just the reading part |
| 14:24.03 | linuxator | it's 2 TB fs.how much time will it take? |
| 14:24.16 | valdyn | linuxator: if theres no error when reading, then the disk is ok (but may fail soon if bad sector count smart value is high) |
| 14:24.20 | valdyn | linuxator: hours |
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| 14:24.36 | droid909 | guyz i have a usb wifi stick |
| 14:24.40 | droid909 | when i insert it into my RPI, the lsusb command gives me: 0bda:0179 |
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| 14:24.43 | droid909 | how do i install driver for this? |
| 14:25.07 | linuxator | valdyn, gsmartcntrol says disk is healthy.i ran self-test,no bad sectors |
| 14:25.27 | valdyn | linuxator: the self test does not take hours, so it cannot have checked the whole disk |
| 14:26.02 | droid909 | Realtech semiconductor corp. |
| 14:26.07 | linuxator | valdyn, ok,thanx alot,let's hold to the read part |
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| 14:27.08 | valdyn | linuxator: disks are complex, this whole thing is complex. Your error can happen when the disk is ok, but the firmware has a bug or the driver. It not simple unless its already obvious that the disk is broken |
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| 14:28.13 | linuxator | valdyn, thanx,may god bless you bro |
| 14:28.41 | droid909 | i found this page http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/R8188EU.html |
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| 14:29.00 | droid909 | looks like my adapter is product: 0179 ("RTL8188ETV Wireless LAN 802.11n Network Adapter") |
| 14:29.10 | droid909 | anyone aware how to install it? |
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| 14:29.25 | valdyn | !rtl |
| 14:29.25 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 14:29.37 | purplefire | debian or Ubuntu？ |
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| 14:30.21 | droid909 | valdyn: i'm on raspbarian (kind of debian) |
| 14:30.29 | droid909 | raspian |
| 14:30.30 | purplefire | which is better? |
| 14:30.40 | droid909 | raspbian that is |
| 14:30.54 | droid909 | purplefire: wasn't for you |
| 14:31.01 | towo` | purplefire, useĺess question in a debian channel |
| 14:31.22 | purplefire | ok |
| 14:31.25 | droid909 | valdyn: so i just need to turn on a certain module right? mod_probe it? |
| 14:31.32 | purplefire | I'm sorry... |
| 14:31.34 | valdyn | droid909: no |
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| 14:31.51 | qman | !raspbian |
| 14:31.51 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 14:32.39 | brokencycle | hi! is it permissible to not have a stop action in an initscript? |
| 14:32.57 | valdyn | droid909: install the appropriate firmware package, reboot |
| 14:33.18 | droid909 | valdyn: firmware for RPI? |
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| 14:33.25 | valdyn | brokencycle: there is alot of init scripts that cant reasonably have stop |
| 14:34.10 | valdyn | droid909: for your wlan chip |
| 14:34.32 | droid909 | valdyn: i thought drivers are installed via kernel modules, no? |
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| 14:34.55 | valdyn | droid909: the driver is already there |
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| 14:35.02 | brokencycle | valdyn: hmmm i think i never saw one |
| 14:35.13 | valdyn | brokencycle: all that have the .sh suffix |
| 14:35.47 | valdyn | brokencycle: or they just have an empty stop |
| 14:35.49 | droid909 | valdyn: so i just need to mod_probe it? |
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| 14:36.09 | valdyn | droid909: if the firmware is installed, yes |
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| 14:37.19 | linuxguy_ | Hi.......Im trying to run either kate or krite as root....... but not sure how to :( |
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| 14:38.58 | droid909 | valdyn: if i see my device in lsusb, it means it is there... the firmware .. now i need to find out what to mod_probe, right? |
| 14:39.04 | droid909 | !rtl |
| 14:39.04 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 14:39.18 | droid909 | !rtl819 |
| 14:39.24 | droid909 | !rtl819x |
| 14:39.24 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <rtl8723au>, <rtl8188eu>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
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| 14:42.54 | linuxguy_ | !kwrite |
| 14:42.55 | dpkg | KWrite is a basic text editor included in <KDE>. http://kate-editor.org/ See also <kate>. |
| 14:43.08 | linuxguy_ | !root |
| 14:43.08 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 14:56.45 | x0fis | hi. Have I to reboot the system after this upgrade? linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (2.6.32-48squeeze1 => 2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 14:57.53 | nkuttler | x0fis: yeah.. well.. the kernel is loaded at boot time.. |
| 14:57.57 | nkuttler | so, yes |
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| 14:59.14 | x0fis | ok, thanx. I were not sure if patche upgrade needs reboot :] |
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| 15:06.10 | Jahus | Hello. |
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| 15:11.42 | rudolphie | Why systemd? http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
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| 15:13.29 | tbob | hello! does somebody know how to skip partman in debian installer or how as a dirty workaround to use a partman atomic schema and then clear the disk, execute own partitioning script, reread partitions and mount own disks? |
| 15:13.40 | veek | anyway to fix apt-get install electrum python-electrum python-ecdsa python-six, i get unmet dependencies: python-ecdsa : Depends: python-six (>= 1.2) but 1.1.0-2 is to be installed |
| 15:13.49 | tbob | doing so via preseed file |
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| 15:15.05 | tbob | just commenting partman in /var/lib/dpkg/info/partman-base.postinst doesn't work, it brings the partman menu in front again |
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| 15:16.23 | mohamedAziz17 | Hello |
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| 15:17.40 | linuxguy_ | Hi.......Im trying to run either kate or krite as root....... but not sure how to :( any help would be great |
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| 15:18.40 | tbob | linuxguy: "sudo kate" "sudo krite" from terminal? |
| 15:18.47 | tbob | linuxguy_: "sudo kate" "sudo krite" from terminal? |
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| 15:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... why the heck would you want to do that |
| 15:20.32 | tbob | CutMeOwnThroat: to open/edit a root-owned file? |
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| 15:21.03 | kevc | tbob: use a console based text editor, it would be much easier |
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| 15:21.42 | tbob | kevc: I would also recommend that, but the question was about kate |
| 15:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, editor... I looked it up and my eye just got hung up on "tabbed sidebar", taking it as a description of the whole for some reason |
| 15:23.22 | linuxguy_ | tbob, yes i need to use an editor |
| 15:24.15 | linuxguy_ | tbob, ah im not in the sudoers file now.......and I dont know how to add mysel...... lol |
| 15:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | use nano or vi or emacs |
| 15:24.30 | tbob | anybody know how to skip partman and use existing partitioning schema in debian installer via preseed file? |
| 15:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, x-stuff just works |
| 15:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | linuxguy_, "su", then call "editorname filename" from the shell |
| 15:25.02 | tbob | linuxguy_: can you do su? |
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| 15:28.37 | tbob | f |
| 15:28.58 | tbob | mistyped |
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| 15:40.07 | linuxguy_ | tbob, CutMeOwnThroat yes I can do su, but I get a message : No passwd entry for user 'kate' |
| 15:40.33 | albru123 | Hello, is there any way, how to enable writable chroot on vsftpd under wheezy? The only way I found was upgrading vsftpd to jessie version. It looks, like there's no backport, so what I can do with it? |
| 15:41.06 | tbob | linuxguy_: enter "su", enter root pw, and then when it loads root shell enter "kate <filename>" |
| 15:42.32 | tbob | linuxguy_: afterwards, when you finished the editing don't forget to enter "exit" to close the root shell, otherwise you can make bad things unnoticeably |
| 15:42.48 | tbob | any ideas how to skip partman in preseed? |
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| 15:44.59 | linuxguy_ | tbob, Im getting this error.....sorry http://pastebin.com/Ntj42ysL |
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| 15:49.06 | tbob | linuxguy_: do you have kde? |
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| 15:52.43 | tbob | linuxguy_: edit "nano /etc/sudoers": under the "root ALL = (ALL) ALL" add new line "linuxguy ALL = (ALL) ALL", save the document with "Ctrl+O" and exit with "Ctrl+X" |
| 15:53.00 | tbob | linuxguy_: do you have sudo installed at all? |
| 15:53.30 | tbob | linuxguy_: if not - first install sudo: "apt-get install sudo" from root terminal |
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| 15:54.08 | tbob | linuxguy_: after you edited the "/etc/sudoers" exit from the root shell and run "kdesudo kate" |
| 15:55.01 | xavierm02 | Hi. I have a laptop with a 15G SSD and a big HDD and I'd like to know what should go where. I plan on putting / on the SSD and /var and /home on the HDD (and maybe /home/me/.config on the SSD). How does that sound? Thank you in advance for your answers. |
| 15:55.13 | tbob | somebody know about the skipping partman via preseed file in debian installer? |
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| 16:03.32 | linuxguy_ | tbob, thanks a lot that worked a treat :) |
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| 16:07.18 | tbob | linuxguy_: no problem. but if possible try first to web-search for such problems: often people on stackoverflow have almost all those questions solved sometimes even in multiple variants ;) |
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| 16:57.21 | lyonsb | why would you put $XDG_HOME/.config on the ssd? |
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| 17:18.51 | DelphiWorld | guys |
| 17:19.00 | DelphiWorld | if i want to declare a secondary ip |
| 17:19.07 | DelphiWorld | i name the device eth0:x? |
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| 17:19.28 | GNU\colossus | man 5 interfaces |
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| 17:19.42 | DelphiWorld | GNU\colossus: tts used here:P |
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| 17:20.56 | GNU\colossus | DelphiWorld, http://paste.debian.net/133004/ dor an example |
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| 17:24.29 | jordanm | you can also add additional IPs to eth0 without creating an alias |
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| 17:25.28 | jordanm | post-up ip addr add 1.1.1.1/24 dev eth0 |
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| 17:30.27 | marioxcc | hello |
| 17:31.00 | marioxcc | is there still an use for FTP not superseeded by HTTP with WebDav? |
| 17:31.05 | marioxcc | I suppose that the out of band signaling is one such feature, what else? |
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| 17:32.33 | jordanm | marioxcc: client and server compatibility always seems to be an issue when I have to work with webdav |
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| 17:33.01 | telmich | good evening |
| 17:33.56 | telmich | what would be the reason that apt-get install -t wheezy-backports qemu prints qemu is already the newest version. even though it is not? |
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| 17:34.21 | telmich | argh, old pinning file |
| 17:34.32 | telmich | hit me, please |
| 17:35.00 | marioxcc | jordanm: what problems have you encountered? |
| 17:36.03 | jordanm | client X doesn't work with server Y... |
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| 17:53.24 | altin | Hello there, I am having a problem with an unknown process in my server, it is being run at /root/Acsko, and I have no clue what that is o.O |
| 17:53.24 | altin | When I kill it, it keeps re-running, even when I delete it it re-creates the file and runs again |
| 17:53.24 | altin | I googled but can't find anything |
| 17:53.24 | altin | I can't even find the source where it is being created or what it does since the file is not readable |
| 17:53.24 | altin | what I found with: netstat -tpn |
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| 17:54.21 | altin | can anyone read at this problem please? http://paste.debian.net/133014/ |
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| 18:00.41 | unreal-dude | ori hotwings turns out my issues was bad hardware. either ram or mobo. Thanks for the suggestions otherwise |
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| 18:13.58 | illy | how do i disable ipv6 ? |
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| 18:16.10 | qwer | uzbeki est? |
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| 18:32.05 | marioxcc | hello. |
| 18:32.29 | marioxcc | what can I use to tell user disk quota usage, which is easy to parse from a script? |
| 18:32.44 | marioxcc | and allows me to specify the user AND the filesystem |
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| 18:35.58 | centrx | marioxcc, ulimit |
| 18:36.47 | centrx | marioxcc, May need something more sophisticated to do by-filesystem as well |
| 18:36.56 | centrx | SELinux maybe |
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| 18:38.46 | ralu | I want to install rouncube, but it requres zillon dependancies, for example libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 18:38.55 | ralu | ant that need then whole apache |
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| 18:39.27 | teraflops | ralu: do you want apache? |
| 18:39.34 | ralu | no |
| 18:39.39 | ralu | I wanna run this on nginx |
| 18:39.52 | rfxchlx | roundcube doesnt need one apache server necessary, but a webserver (apache or nginx) |
| 18:40.01 | teraflops | ralu: then install the tar.gz |
| 18:40.21 | ralu | should i file bug? |
| 18:40.27 | teraflops | why? |
| 18:40.45 | ralu | becuase one cant install rouncube without apache |
| 18:41.03 | somiaj | ralu: or dependencies can pull in defaults when you want something else, for example roundcube-core depends on libapache2-mod-php5 | php5 -- which means if you don't have a package satisfying php5 installed it will automatically bring in the apache mod |
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| 18:41.28 | somiaj | ralu: so double check the dependencies and make sure you just don't need an aditional php5 package isntalled to satsify the php5 requirment that is not an apache mod |
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| 18:42.28 | ralu | i was able to run on php5-fpm |
| 18:42.33 | somiaj | ralu: are you using ngnix? aperentally it also recomenends apache2 | lighttpd, so recomends can bring in stuff to |
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| 18:42.40 | jhutchins_wk | ralu: Mind you, you should be prepared to deal with the actual dependencies that the software requires like PHP integration and database sofware. It's easier to use packages that have been integrated for you and that we know work. |
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| 18:43.36 | somiaj | ralu: do you have the package php5 installed (this ha an or depends on php5-fpm) and that is the package you need to satsify the php5 dependency |
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| 18:44.26 | ralu | I have php5 installed |
| 18:44.46 | somiaj | so wonder if it is the recomends pulling that in, try apt-get --no-recomends install |
| 18:44.54 | ralu | i might try with lighttpd but i am not familiar with config files yet |
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| 18:45.25 | somiaj | packages are set up to have multiple ways to satisify the dependencies, but if you don't want the defaults you may have to be careful how you install to ensure you get the packages you want |
| 18:45.58 | Sia- | after "dpkg-reconfigure locales " still get the error http://pastie.org/9736970 |
| 18:46.11 | Sia- | do u have any idea what's wrong |
| 18:46.26 | ralu | i have tried install with lightttp but it also ssems tha one needs apache |
| 18:47.24 | Sia- | ralu depends on your work |
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| 18:47.39 | Sia- | lighttpd is more easier |
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| 18:48.07 | heypiehey | hi |
| 18:48.08 | ralu | i have installed rouncube-sqlite3 from backport |
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| 18:49.16 | somiaj | Sia-: did you use the config tool and go down and select en_GB.UTF-8 to be generated. |
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| 18:50.20 | ralu | i might try with manual install |
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| 18:50.43 | Sia- | somiaj is the same |
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| 18:54.06 | Sia- | look at her |
| 18:54.07 | Sia- | http://pastie.org/9736983 |
| 18:54.24 | tortib | I did something dumb and need help correcting the problem please. :( |
| 18:54.30 | centrx | hah |
| 18:54.36 | centrx | !ask |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:55.03 | Sia- | ralu lighttpd is very simple they have good docs to lear it very quickly |
| 18:55.03 | tortib | I dropped my mysql database and reverted to an older one from another machine that was running Unbuntu. I'm on Debian 7 now. Whenever I restart sql I get an error stating the following. ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 18:55.24 | tortib | how can I figure out where debian-sys-maint is and find out which password it's trying to use so I can add it back? Also the permissions... :( |
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| 18:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: debian-sys-maint is the user that starts and maintains mysql in the default scripts. You have the debian scripts, but an ubuntu database that doesn't have that user. |
| 18:56.45 | tortib | okay |
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| 18:56.58 | tortib | I can add the user to the mysql table, i'm just unsure of what to add as the password and permissions |
| 18:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: There's an explanation of what's going on and how to fix it in /usr/share/doc/mysql<something>. |
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| 18:57.44 | tortib | all I see is NEWS, Changelog and copyright. |
| 18:58.09 | centrx | maybe /usr/share/doc/mysql-common |
| 18:58.15 | tortib | sec |
| 18:58.31 | tortib | same files |
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| 18:59.13 | tortib | in mysql-server-5.5 there is a mysqld.sym.gz |
| 18:59.14 | tortib | is that it? |
| 18:59.20 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:59.47 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: Third paragraph. |
| 18:59.48 | tortib | gzip: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz: No such file or directory :( |
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| 19:00.00 | tortib | oh i have 5.5 |
| 19:00.01 | tortib | that's why |
| 19:00.01 | tortib | sec |
| 19:00.15 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: Might try zless |
| 19:00.19 | tortib | ah |
| 19:01.48 | tortib | BAM |
| 19:01.52 | tortib | awesome |
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| 19:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | I love it when there's a straightforward explanation and a clear remedy. |
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| 19:06.35 | tortib | so does the debian-sys-maint user get permissions to all databases? |
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| 19:26.04 | Walex | ,lvmsync |
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| 19:28.06 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: Been a while since I looked at it, but iirc it's mostly just the myql database and rights to start, stop, and possibly maintain. |
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| 19:33.18 | udyt | hi...i'm trying to install a package but i have this: "libc6 ( = 2.14) but 2.13-38+deb7u4 is to be installed". How i resolve this one? |
| 19:33.57 | rfxchlx | you can install from sid repository |
| 19:34.24 | rfxchlx | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main |
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| 19:35.03 | rfxchlx | apt-get update && apt-get -t sid install libc6 |
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| 19:35.30 | centrx | udyt, Don't do that unless you want to upgrade your entire system to unstable |
| 19:35.42 | centrx | rfxchlx, That will upgrade all the dependencies. Pretty flippant advice |
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| 19:36.11 | centrx | Also, that wouldn't work if the dependency is (= 2.14), sid has 2.19 |
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| 19:36.16 | centrx | udyt, What package is this you are trying to install? |
| 19:36.29 | udyt | centrx: e19 |
| 19:37.05 | centrx | udyt, I would compile it from source (Enlightenment?) |
| 19:37.21 | udyt | centrx: i'm noob |
| 19:37.46 | udyt | e19 is in bodhilinux repositiry |
| 19:37.55 | udyt | repository* |
| 19:38.04 | rfxchlx | the other option would be downloading the libc6 version 2.15 and putting it on /opt. Then you set a wrapper for the start of the script it loads the LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:38.05 | Walex | udyt: if you are a very advanced package expert that can deal with the complications of handling packages not built for your current baseline distro, you don't need to ask questions here. If you need to ask questions here perhaps you are not the sort of advanced package system expert that can risk doing that |
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| 19:38.21 | rfxchlx | the second option works pretty well |
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| 19:38.52 | centrx | udyt, It's going to require something mildly complicated, because there isn't a Debian package for it in Debian |
| 19:39.49 | rfxchlx | i would do sth like this: |
| 19:39.58 | rfxchlx | 1. Download libc6 and libc6-dev from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS |
| 19:40.11 | rfxchlx | 2. Run dpkg command to install them into a directory (/home/user/fakeroot/ for example): |
| 19:40.13 | rfxchlx | $ dpkg -x libc6-dev_2.15-0ubuntu10.6_amd64.deb /home/user/fakeroot/ |
| 19:40.15 | rfxchlx | $ dpkg -x libc6_2.15-0ubuntu10.6_amd64.deb /home/user/fakeroot/ |
| 19:40.16 | Walex | is an advanced package system expert and strays very little from 'stable' because life's too short... |
| 19:40.25 | rfxchlx | 3. Run your command with specified LD_LIBRARY_PATH: |
| 19:40.27 | rfxchlx | $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/user/fakeroot/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ YOUR_COMMAND |
| 19:41.57 | centrx | rfxchlx, Would fakeroot work with using the package as the desktop environment with the rest of the system? |
| 19:41.57 | udyt | ok, excuse me for question...i'll install xfce |
| 19:42.06 | centrx | heh |
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| 19:42.20 | DelphiWorld_ | exporting my directory /srv/db/out 172.16.25.3(sync) (rw,sync,fsid=0,crossmnt,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) |
| 19:42.23 | DelphiWorld_ | using nfs |
| 19:42.28 | DelphiWorld_ | not working, any error? |
| 19:42.28 | centrx | udyt, Hopefully latest version of enlightenment will get into Debian soon |
| 19:42.29 | Walex | udyt: XFCE is great and well supported too. |
| 19:42.54 | udyt | this is a good news |
| 19:43.08 | udyt | thank you |
| 19:43.10 | Walex | centrx: I was looking recently for another user and there is 'e17' in 'testing' and 'unstable' archives |
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| 19:44.15 | centrx | Yeah it's old version :( |
| 19:44.53 | Walex | BTW, the only major case where I have found a FrankenDebian horror worthwhile is importing packages from SteamOS 'alchemist' (largely the same as 'wheezy') for X windows and MesaGL (plus official backports kernel), because they have *much* better acceleration for playing Steam games. |
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| 19:46.11 | Walex | and because to my considered opinion 'alchemist' and 'wheezy' are indeed very similar in ABIs, and X Windows server and MesaGL libraries are fairly separate modules. |
| 19:46.50 | Walex | DelphiWorld_: "any error?" is what we would be asking you... |
| 19:47.06 | Walex | DelphiWorld_: "not working" is not an awesomely detailed report. |
| 19:47.15 | DelphiWorld_ | Walex: go to sleep buddy, fixed (stupid space) |
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| 19:53.34 | Bombo | hi |
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| 19:55.28 | Bombo | i installed 'apt-get install fai-setup-storage' it updated the initrd, now i did 'apt-get remove fai-setup-storage' (then apt-get autoremove ) but i don't see it removes the initrd or updates it back |
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| 20:02.01 | peppino | ciao |
| 20:02.04 | peppino | !list |
| 20:02.05 | dpkg | peppino: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 20:02.46 | centrx | What is with Italians and !list |
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| 20:03.46 | Walex | centrx: greeks have their own sites... |
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| 20:04.28 | Walex | centrx: put another way: greeks use a non-latin alphabet |
| 20:04.50 | Arven | Walex: I take it SteamOS only carries a subset of packages from Debian then |
| 20:05.10 | Walex | Arven: yes, for obvious reasons, but it is a large subset |
| 20:06.03 | Walex | Arven: but I think that 95% of packages are just straightforward recompiles. |
| 20:06.13 | Walex | Arven: perhaps 99%. |
| 20:06.46 | Walex | it is a bit of a pity that SteamOS is not actually just an extension of Debian instead of being a rebuild. |
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| 20:07.12 | Epakai | you can just run steam on debian in big picture mode if you like |
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| 20:07.41 | Walex | Epakai: the crucial detail is acceleration, and the packages in Debian 7/Wheezy are not good enough for most cases for that. |
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| 20:08.46 | Walex | Epakai: there have a been a couple of very big improvements in acceleration in X Windows and MesaGL in versions newer than those in 7/Wheezy (or ULTS 12.04 for that matter). |
| 20:09.14 | Walex | Epakai: otherwise one has to use the proprietary drivers, which sometimes is risky. |
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| 20:09.37 | jhutchins_wk | centrx: I've never been able to get an Italian to explain that. |
| 20:10.34 | Walex | jhutchins_wk: I explained it elliptically above with my reference to the greek alphabet |
| 20:10.54 | centrx | Italians == Greeks? |
| 20:11.33 | Walex | centrx: No, it is not like "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" "same face, same race" refrain |
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| 20:12.02 | Walex | centrx: but in some statistics Italy and Greece have similar figures for similar reasons... |
| 20:12.07 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: Ever been there? |
| 20:12.08 | centrx | I've only information vegetable, animal, and minimal. |
| 20:12.48 | Walex | if you want to be a little explicit: the surprise is not that italians are looking for warez, but that greeks are not looking for warez. |
| 20:13.24 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: We get it, you're a bigot. |
| 20:13.28 | Walex | basically across-country statistics is that Italy and Greece have the lowest percentage of legally licensed software. |
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| 20:13.52 | Walex | outside China that is :-) |
| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: No need for further proof. |
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| 20:14.07 | DelphiWorld | guys ;(* |
| 20:14.16 | DelphiWorld | hp ml 360 g6 |
| 20:14.20 | DelphiWorld | install perfectly |
| 20:14.24 | DelphiWorld | boot after install |
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| 20:14.30 | DelphiWorld | but when rebooted dont work |
| 20:14.34 | Walex | jhutchins_wk: the statistics are pretty clear... |
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| 20:14.36 | centrx | Statistics will get you no where |
| 20:14.38 | DelphiWorld | what to do? |
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| 20:14.48 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: More complete sentances, fewer CRs. |
| 20:15.05 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins_wk: ??? |
| 20:15.16 | Walex | DelphiWorld: my usual way of loking at this is to boot very recent 'hackstery' liveCD like GRML 2014.10 and poke around... |
| 20:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: doesn't work is not specific. |
| 20:15.37 | Walex | DelphiWorld: for example 'lspci' etc. to get hardware ids and model numbers. |
| 20:15.38 | DelphiWorld | Walex: boot what? detail please;(* |
| 20:15.39 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 20:15.41 | DelphiWorld | i lost day of work |
| 20:15.52 | sydney | DelphiWorld: Please be more informative, and try to put it into so many seperate sentances. |
| 20:16.04 | DelphiWorld | sydney: thank |
| 20:16.09 | DelphiWorld | i installed wheezy in a ml350 |
| 20:16.10 | Walex | DelphiWorld: Debian-derived live-CD like GRML: http://www.grml.org/ |
| 20:16.21 | tortib | jhutchins_wk: it looks like ubuntu does use the same user because I already had a user created, so I just updated the password and all is fixed. |
| 20:16.22 | sydney | Not s many seperate sentneces* |
| 20:16.25 | sydney | so* |
| 20:16.30 | DelphiWorld | so |
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| 20:16.49 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: Same user, different password. Not too surprizing. |
| 20:16.51 | DelphiWorld | i installed deb wheezy in ml350. install finished without any issue then rebooted the machine perfectly, debian boot |
| 20:16.57 | tortib | jhutchins_wk: yeah I lucked out :D |
| 20:17.02 | Walex | DelphiWorld: do you know that is the model of your disk hopst adapter? |
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| 20:17.09 | DelphiWorld | but when i rebooted it from bash its not b ooting |
| 20:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: WHere is it stopping? |
| 20:17.30 | DelphiWorld | waka: how to know please? |
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| 20:17.34 | Walex | DelphiWorld: screenshot? |
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| 20:17.45 | DelphiWorld | Walex: no where to get screenshot |
| 20:17.59 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins_wk: boting from drive C |
| 20:18.02 | DelphiWorld | then nothing more |
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| 20:18.44 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: Do you get the grub menu? Do you get a message from grub? Do you get a blinking cursor on a black screen? Did you install grub to /dev/sda or /dev/sda1? |
| 20:19.03 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 20:19.03 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 20:20.25 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins_wk: blinking cursor |
| 20:21.07 | jhutchins_wk | Try the procedure above then, and make sure you install to the root of the drive, not to a partition (sda not sda1). |
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| 20:27.56 | [sr] | hi |
| 20:28.00 | [sr] | i have a system that is crazy |
| 20:28.20 | [sr] | in each second, it forward's 2 or 3 |
| 20:28.37 | [sr] | like if it was in fastforward mode |
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| 20:28.41 | centrx | travels through time? |
| 20:29.00 | [sr] | like that, in one hour, the clock forward almost 3!! |
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| 20:29.09 | [sr] | what could it be, CPU ? |
| 20:29.11 | centrx | Do you have a turbo button on the front of your desktop |
| 20:29.18 | [sr] | no |
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| 20:30.07 | [sr] | no overclock |
| 20:30.31 | [sr] | its hardware or something that i updated that is causing this |
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| 20:31.00 | DelphiWorld | hp = endless stupidity |
| 20:31.15 | [sr] | no hp |
| 20:31.18 | [sr] | i hate hp :) |
| 20:31.31 | [sr] | its the same machine since last 5 years, it may got crazy |
| 20:31.48 | DelphiWorld | [sr]: my ML 350G6 is not fucking booting |
| 20:31.59 | [sr] | ah ok, different situation |
| 20:32.33 | [sr] | cant find any info on the web of my problem, maybe my machine got inside the go back into future film |
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| 20:34.20 | DelphiWorld | gonna die |
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| 20:35.58 | centrx | DelphiWorld, Should I make war on the Persians? |
| 20:36.19 | DelphiWorld | centrx: ;( ;( ;( not gaming ;( ;( ;(* |
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| 20:36.54 | centrx | DelphiWorld, Does it boot from a live CD? |
| 20:36.59 | centrx | or some other boot disk |
| 20:37.13 | DelphiWorld | centrx: yes... but no ( |
| 20:37.27 | centrx | how mysterious |
| 20:38.00 | DelphiWorld | centrx: yes... but no (*SCREEN READER* for me) |
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| 20:44.26 | Elite_Hassoon | hi |
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| 20:44.45 | Elite_Hassoon | is there a way to troobleshoot my microphone that used to work fine , but now it doesn't |
| 20:45.00 | Elite_Hassoon | i can't find it in the pulseaudio settigns, yet i need it to run skype |
| 20:45.12 | Elite_Hassoon | not sure what's wrong with it |
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| 20:56.49 | chrisb | in testing, apt-get dist-upgrade has a huge list of packages to be DOWNGRADED...why? |
| 20:57.15 | heurist | chrisb: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:58.51 | jasonwc | Can you expand a RAID6 array with mdadm without the use of LVM? If so, what is the benefit of LVM? It seems to add complexity to the setup. |
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| 20:59.40 | heurist | jasonwc: lvm is often just an addition complexity. mdraid does not need it. |
| 21:00.04 | heurist | jasonwc: but note that lvm is to do with partitioning, not the raid. |
| 21:00.54 | jasonwc | IF you don't use LVM, you'll be able to expand the mdadm array, but will you be able to expand the partition on top of the RAID? |
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| 21:01.17 | greenbagels | chrisb, dist-upgrade also removes packages |
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| 21:02.08 | heurist | jasonwc: you would need to resize the partition and the filesystem. neither are very hard. for a once of, like with adding a drive, the lvm benefits of slightly easier resize are probably not worth it. |
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| 21:02.51 | jasonwc | Woudl losing a drive in a RAID setup with redundancy cause any issues with LVM? I assume it would be transparent. |
| 21:02.56 | jasonwc | *Would |
| 21:03.10 | jasonwc | I'm familiar with ZFS but haven't done mdadm+LVm. |
| 21:03.15 | jasonwc | *LVM |
| 21:03.19 | heurist | jasonwc: the raid will take care of that. the lvm will not know about it. |
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| 21:03.45 | jasonwc | ok, so the LVM layer is simply to provide more flexibility in partitioning above the RAID layer. They are really independent. |
| 21:03.57 | heurist | jasonwc: correct. |
| 21:04.09 | jasonwc | ZFS is nice in that it handles everything for you |
| 21:04.30 | heurist | jasonwc: correct again. btrfs is trying to go that same route. |
| 21:04.38 | jasonwc | Right |
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| 21:05.31 | rfxchlx | # |
| 21:05.31 | jasonwc | I'm having an issue with ZFS in that its prefetching algorithms are magnifying random reads in rtorrent by a factor of 10, and turning off prefetching significantly degrades sequential read performance. Was giong to create a test mdadm pool, copy over some data, and test |
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| 21:11.38 | N3oXid | Hello everyone. I'm using GNU/Linux Debian testing and after a aptitude update/upgrade/dist-upgrade, some of my Logical Volumes (LVM) cannot be mount at boot anymore. |
| 21:11.57 | AR45 | N3oXid: bummer |
| 21:12.22 | N3oXid | AR45: yes... |
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| 21:13.14 | N3oXid | a "lvm lvdisplay" show "LV Status -> NOT available" |
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| 21:14.06 | N3oXid | A vgchange -ay make the trick. But after a reboot, it is still the same. |
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| 21:16.04 | lilliput | ciao |
| 21:16.13 | lilliput | !list |
| 21:16.13 | dpkg | lilliput: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 21:18.00 | chrisb | heurist: thanks |
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| 21:22.02 | heurist | N3oXid: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:22.51 | N3oXid | heurist: Ok, noticed. |
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| 21:24.02 | Nidhoegger | Hello. I have a small problem: I am running a debian wheezy vServer. I have fail2ban installed to protect me from DDoS attacks. Now i wanted to run a srcds server, but you cant connect to it. now i wanted to check, if some of the iptables rules are blocking it. so i tried iptables -F. That kills all remote connections and all connection to and from the server and blocks everything, until i restart the server. can someone help me d |
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| 21:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: so look at the output of iptables -L |
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| 21:25.26 | jasonwc | If any of you guys are by any chance using Debian Wheezy and using rtorrent to seed from a ZFS pool, I would be interested in your experiences. |
| 21:25.48 | jasonwc | Trying to troubleshoot this issue but not sure what the underlying cause is |
| 21:26.04 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: the reason why, most likely, is that you got rid of the return rule for port 22 which fail2ban configures |
| 21:26.31 | Nidhoegger | how can i disable it completely? i tried shutting down the fail2ban service...i am not that deep in iptables :( |
| 21:26.37 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: but in any event, since this is a vserver, you should have a virtual serial port which you can access as well to figure precisely what has happened. |
| 21:26.51 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: stopping fail2ban should have it remove the rules |
| 21:26.57 | Nidhoegger | nope |
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| 21:27.23 | Nidhoegger | rules are still intact after stopping fail2ban |
| 21:27.27 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: which rules? |
| 21:27.51 | Nidhoegger | chains for sasl, ssh and postfix |
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| 21:28.03 | Nidhoegger | do u want a nopaste of the data? |
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| 21:28.35 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: well, then if you want to remove them, remove the diversion to the chain using iptables -D |
| 21:28.45 | dondelelcaro | Nidhoegger: but yes, a paste of the actual bug would be useful |
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| 21:29.23 | unss7 | Hi. SPDIF stopped working recently for me... anyone use it successfuly? |
| 21:29.29 | unss7 | I have 2 sound cards |
| 21:29.33 | Nidhoegger | i have a little other guess right now. virtuozzo seems to have installed some of its own rules |
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| 21:29.54 | Nidhoegger | thats the only way i can explain me the VZ_* rules...they are not from me and not from fail2ban |
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| 21:31.42 | dondelelcaro | fail2ban rules will be in a chain with fail2ban-foo |
| 21:31.56 | dondelelcaro | it installs a -J to that chain, and then the chains themselves |
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| 21:39.00 | Tau | is there a console based browser that works with facebook? |
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| 21:39.11 | Tau | and most recent web stuff. |
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| 21:56.54 | unss7 | How is it possible analog audio works on my debian but not digital? |
| 21:57.00 | unss7 | Does it mean it's a bug? |
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| 21:58.52 | dondelelcaro | unss7: dunno. Not that many people use SPDIF |
| 21:59.13 | rryoumaa | does the installer's partman correctly align for erase block sizes for solid state drives? |
| 21:59.21 | unss7 | dondelelcaro: it used to work until a week ago |
| 21:59.36 | dondelelcaro | unss7: well, figure out what you changed from a week ago until now. |
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| 22:00.00 | dondelelcaro | unss7: and then try to bisect until you get a package which when upgraded/installed breaks spdif, and file a bug against that package |
| 22:00.16 | dondelelcaro | unss7: the logs of installations are in /var/log/dpkg.log and similar |
| 22:00.32 | unss7 | It'll be easier to go back to ubuntu.. |
| 22:01.21 | heurist | rryoumaa: I think it aligns to 1Mb, which is also aligned to what SSDs use. but you should check that to be sure. |
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| 22:05.47 | tortib | Hi can anyone help me with some output problems in my iptables rules? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9180900/ I'm not able to resolve domains or ping out :\ |
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| 22:06.25 | rryoumaa | heurist: thanks |
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| 22:08.52 | heurist | tortib: remove the iptables rules. test things work. add the rules one by one till you find what breaks things. |
| 22:09.13 | tortib | heurist: I can't do that for output |
| 22:09.13 | tortib | I would be locked out of the box. |
| 22:09.35 | tortib | the outbound 53 dport rule isn't being hit for some reason |
| 22:09.45 | tortib | eventhough i'm running `host google.com` |
| 22:10.00 | tortib | also when running apt-get update it doesn't connect to the http servers |
| 22:10.04 | phy1729 | tortib: you're doing default allow itseems so you shouldn't be locked out |
| 22:10.08 | heurist | tortib: then move it up till it starts working and see what it needed to be above to make it work. |
| 22:10.25 | tortib | phy1729: oh? Where? |
| 22:10.30 | scooty_puff | im getting a kernel panic when i try to run 'apt-get update' |
| 22:10.38 | scooty_puff | 100% [2 Packages bzip2 0 B]Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00b |
| 22:10.44 | phy1729 | :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0 |
| 22:10.54 | scooty_puff | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:11.04 | valdyn | scooty_puff: give us the complete error |
| 22:11.12 | valdyn | scooty_puff: what you pasted is useless |
| 22:11.25 | scooty_puff | what do i paste? |
| 22:11.31 | scooty_puff | what would help |
| 22:11.32 | tortib | phy1729: I think you're mistaken because it says 0:0 |
| 22:11.40 | valdyn | scooty_puff: the complete error |
| 22:11.41 | tortib | meaning no bytes or packets... |
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| 22:12.31 | scooty_puff | http://pastebin.com/pJ7kjqUV |
| 22:12.35 | scooty_puff | like that? |
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| 22:12.57 | valdyn | scooty_puff: no, thats not the complete error |
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| 22:13.15 | valdyn | scooty_puff: what you are seeing is apt-get doing something and the kernel printing the panic on your console |
| 22:13.24 | valdyn | scooty_puff: both things dont have to be related at all |
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| 22:13.59 | valdyn | scooty_puff: the complete error would be in dmesg, but you probably cant access that |
| 22:15.08 | rryoumaa | heurist: the reason i ask is that i am getting this error from virtualbox but i don't know if it is related: "EXT4-fs (dm-1): Unaligned AIO/DIO on inode 14156209 by VirtualBox; performance will be poor." |
| 22:15.08 | scooty_puff | how would i go about finding the issue. that is all i have to work with |
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| 22:15.39 | valdyn | scooty_puff: reproduce the error while haveing the kernel logging messages printed to a serial console |
| 22:15.45 | heurist | rryoumaa: virtualbox always says that with ext4 |
| 22:15.56 | rryoumaa | heurist: good to know! |
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| 22:16.42 | mihi | anybody here using recent jessie in a virtualbox vm? when I try to unmount a virtualbox shared folder (provided by virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-dkms) it complains about not being a NFS filesystem. Uninstalling nfs-common "fixes" this, as well as replacing /etc/mtab symlink with a proper file copied from /proc/mounts. |
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| 22:17.02 | heurist | mihi: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:17.10 | mihi | heurist, thanks :) |
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| 22:48.56 | quitte | Hi. NetworkManager is eating way too much cpu and something is eating my diskspace. any idea what's going on? |
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| 22:50.47 | quitte | var/log is almost 1G now and whatever disk space i free will be eaten away shortly after |
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| 23:01.44 | rryoumaa | how safe is it to run wheezy with no added firewall? |
| 23:02.15 | heurist | rryoumaa: "added"? "safe"? |
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| 23:03.09 | rryoumaa | hehe, if you run wheezy for 2 days right after installation without installing a firewall, what is the posterior probability distribution for the event that it gets owned |
| 23:03.28 | rryoumaa | s/distribution// |
| 23:03.43 | quitte | hehe posterior |
| 23:03.46 | heurist | rryoumaa: depends on the services you have open. you need no firewall if you have not services. |
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| 23:04.05 | rryoumaa | interesting |
| 23:04.23 | mtn | rryoumaa: most router are running a firewall, so if you are behind one you should be fine. |
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| 23:04.34 | Illyasviel | I just installed debian on my mac. |
| 23:04.42 | rryoumaa | presumably wheezy has default services though? |
| 23:04.51 | rryoumaa | or are those all unix domain sockets? |
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| 23:05.07 | heurist | rryoumaa: debian runs everything you install, unless you somehow stop it from doing that. |
| 23:05.08 | Illyasviel | I couldn't figure out how to reinstall OS X after it broke |
| 23:05.49 | heurist | rryoumaa: ss -nlp will tell you what is listening. |
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| 23:06.15 | Illyasviel | Which firewall should one use? |
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| 23:07.00 | quitte | Illyasviel: with osx it's all just disk images and blessing. i'm no mac user but still I think you need to bless some partition - whatever that means |
| 23:07.32 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: If you're not running any publicly accessible services you're reasonably safe. |
| 23:07.50 | heurist | Illyasviel: iptables is the only firewall in linux. but there are a lot of frontends that "help" you configure it. if you learn iptables you can use it everywhere and you will eventually need iptables knowledge to fix problems that the frontends create. |
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| 23:07.54 | Illyasviel | Ah, i just installed it over OSX it seems to boot fine (i tried it a couple times) |
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| 23:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | Illyasviel: You need the Mac install/restore disks that come with a system. You can probably get them from Apple or an Apple Store, but hey, welcome to Debian, it works great too. |
| 23:08.42 | Illyasviel | heurist ok, i guess debian will involve a lot of learning |
| 23:09.21 | jhutchins_wk | On system firewalls are a Windows thing that really don't apply to linux systems. They exist because Windows is broken. |
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| 23:09.45 | heurist | Illyasviel: debian is "medium" learning, by linux standards. there are distros that need less initial learning and many that need a lot more. |
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| 23:10.06 | Illyasviel | Mac has one as well, its just disabled by default |
| 23:10.24 | Illyasviel | heurist probably more learning than OSX |
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| 23:10.39 | DelphiWorld | yo |
| 23:10.50 | DelphiWorld | using this /srv/db/in 172.16.25.3(sync) (rw,sync,fsid=0,crossmnt,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) i can get the client only readonly access |
| 23:10.52 | DelphiWorld | how to fix it? |
| 23:10.56 | teraflops | ewwww |
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| 23:11.13 | heurist | Illyasviel: not really. except that you have already learn OSX. and learning the second one is always the hardest. this applies to all skills, languages and such too. |
| 23:11.48 | jasonwc | I just purchased a IBM M1015 which has been pre-flashed with the LSI 9211-8i IT firmware to use as HBA only. It sees all 8 drives fine and I can mount my ZFS pool but file transfers stop midway through for up to 30 seconds, and all lights stop flashing on the LSI card, during which time iowait increases and I cannot even stop the file copy. Is this card defective or is there some other possibility? |
| 23:11.55 | jasonwc | Did not have this issue with a Supermicro SAS |
| 23:11.56 | Illyasviel | Well ok |
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| 23:12.06 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: i do not think windows uses the firewal because it is broken |
| 23:12.25 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: You are welcome to think that. |
| 23:12.36 | heurist | jasonwc: that sounds like broken hardware. but it is hard to say. |
| 23:12.38 | tortib | Can someone help me with iptables? I'm trying to get OUTPUT filtered by everything except for the rules I have in place. I have rules for port 80 and 53 udp/tcp outbound destination port but for some reason when I try to resolve a domain it times out, trying to connect to a http server on port 80 also times out. Here are my rules. http://paste.ubuntu.com/9182775/ |
| 23:12.47 | jhutchins_wk | It is much better to have a router with a decent firewall between you and the wild internet. |
| 23:13.09 | teraflops | also it only drops incoming connections jhutchins_wk so i think it is a sane behaviour |
| 23:13.26 | heurist | tortib: we have tried helping you in a multiple channels. what have you tried and what results have you had. |
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| 23:13.41 | heurist | dpkg: tell tortib -about multiple ask |
| 23:13.48 | heurist | dpkg: tell tortib -about crosspost |
| 23:14.10 | jhutchins_wk | jasonwc: You should be able to ask them for support. I really doubt it has anything to do with Debian. |
| 23:14.38 | jasonwc | Yeah, probably hardware |
| 23:14.51 | jasonwc | I'm currently using 3.16 - going to try the stable kernel in case it's a driver issue |
| 23:14.55 | heurist | jasonwc: hardware may also mean firmware. |
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| 23:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Linux only accepts connections if you have a service or daemon listening. By default, about the only thing that runs in the background and talks to the world is NTP and maybe an apt updater. |
| 23:15.27 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Anything else YOU have to set up, and you're responsible for securing it. |
| 23:15.36 | tortib | heurist: They're simple output rules all I did was add them to the OUTPUT chain and try to send a packet that meets the rule criteria, a dns lookup a socket connection test to a httpd. I also can't ping out even though I have rules stating it should allow icmp. |
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| 23:16.04 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: oh boy ... YOU in caps are you in anger with me? |
| 23:16.08 | teraflops | lol |
| 23:16.17 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Nope, just specific. |
| 23:16.21 | heurist | tortib: yes, you said. did you try any of the stuff we suggested you try to diagnose the issue? |
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| 23:16.53 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: The point being that software doesn't randomly set up daemons that communicate with outside entities like some Windows software does without your knowledge. |
| 23:17.00 | tortib | heurist: what was exactly suggested? I already stated I can't remove rules at the risk of blocking connections on the server, that's just not realistic. |
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| 23:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: This is my best reference for IPTables: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 23:17.32 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: well as you said I think different |
| 23:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | tortib: It's intended as a guide for setting up a NAT firewall, but there's a lot of good info. Some of it may be a little dated. |
| 23:18.01 | heurist | tortib: if you can not remove rules or reorder them then you can not diagnose errors in your rules. and your defaults are to allow, so you should not have lockout issues. |
| 23:18.02 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Nothing wrong with that. |
| 23:18.27 | tortib | heurist: some rules are working and some are not |
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| 23:18.46 | tortib | heurist: removing rules shouldn't cause any type of difference. |
| 23:18.46 | heurist | tortib: remove the non-working rules. |
| 23:18.52 | tortib | heurist: ok |
| 23:19.17 | tortib | so leave the REJECT for output? |
| 23:19.36 | tortib | because that would be kind of silly |
| 23:19.37 | heurist | tortib: any rules that are not working should not be there. they make it harder to understand the rules that are working and to fix logic issues. |
| 23:20.00 | tortib | heurist: the problem is they're ACCEPT rules that are not picking up any bytes or packets. |
| 23:20.19 | tortib | something like iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACEPPT |
| 23:20.25 | tortib | ACCEPT* even |
| 23:20.35 | heurist | tortib: then something before them is blocking the packets. move them up in the list. as suggested. |
| 23:20.47 | heurist | tortib: order matters. |
| 23:20.49 | tortib | they are at the top of the output chain list |
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| 23:20.54 | tortib | I know order matters... |
| 23:21.00 | tortib | that's why my reject rule is last |
| 23:21.21 | DelphiWorld | guys... will this give me a RW share? /srv/db/in 172.16.25.3(sync) (rw,sync,fsid=0,crossmnt,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) |
| 23:21.27 | heurist | tortib: and if you remove the reject rule? is it doing anything? |
| 23:22.16 | heurist | DelphiWorld: is that two sets of parens? (sync)(other stuff?) |
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| 23:22.35 | DelphiWorld | heurist: mean? this is in /etc/export on the nfs server |
| 23:22.55 | tortib | heurist: okay thank you for your assistance so far it appears that I have a DNS issue even though my nameservers are set to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 23:23.34 | heurist | tortib: can you ping those IPs? if you it is not a DNS issue yet. |
| 23:23.41 | tortib | heurist: I also have bind listening on port 53 on localhost |
| 23:23.54 | tortib | yes I can ping the ips |
| 23:24.13 | tortib | bind is setup not to do recursive lookups |
| 23:24.14 | heurist | tortib: running bind will not matter. |
| 23:24.20 | tortib | hmmm |
| 23:24.30 | tortib | then why can't I not resolve IPs? |
| 23:24.45 | heurist | tortib: don't use bind as your DNS yet. first resolve the DNS connection issue. |
| 23:25.14 | tortib | heurist: i'm not. |
| 23:25.20 | tortib | bind is just running and I have zones setup |
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| 23:25.50 | valdyn | tortib: what do you get for "host www.google.de" |
| 23:25.53 | heurist | tortib: what does dig @8.8.8.8 google.com tell you? |
| 23:26.05 | tortib | valdyn: host google.com just times out |
| 23:26.34 | tortib | heurist: times out. |
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| 23:27.49 | heurist | tortib: you really need to shutdown the firewall to make sure that things work without it. this may be an issue unrelated to firewall. until we know that things work without the firewall we are wasting out time. |
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| 23:27.55 | teraflops | tortib: sorry did you tried -F and pinged whatever name or ip? |
| 23:27.59 | tortib | heurist: okay let me iptables -F then |
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| 23:28.24 | tortib | yeah it works again |
| 23:28.26 | tortib | okay weird |
| 23:28.31 | tortib | what rule would be causing this? O.o |
| 23:28.41 | heurist | tortib: good, now add the rules back one by one and see where it breaks. |
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| 23:29.14 | tortib | k |
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| 23:30.05 | stakewinner00 | someone uses hurd kernel? |
| 23:32.15 | tortib | bam |
| 23:32.18 | tortib | got it to work |
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| 23:32.23 | tortib | didn't need to remove all rules and add them back |
| 23:32.28 | tortib | I just thought about it a little more :) |
| 23:33.43 | tortib | -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 53 -j ACCEPT is what was doing it |
| 23:33.43 | tortib | er what did the trick even |
| 23:33.49 | tortib | just in case you guys were curious |
| 23:34.44 | Zerock | Is it safe to reboot on the latest initramfs-tools in Unstable? |
| 23:35.17 | heurist | Zerock: questions about unstable are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:35.47 | valdyn | Zerock: why would you ask that question at all? |
| 23:36.23 | Zerock | valdyn: I have heard that there's a problem, and I'm not sure if it's resolved. |
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| 23:46.31 | Zzeiss1 | I am running Debian Wheezy on a 13" Late 2011 Macbook Pro. The latest apt-get update & apt-get upgrade broke X windows. Help? |
| 23:46.54 | heurist | dpkg: tell Zzeiss1 -about bat |
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| 23:47.40 | Zzeiss1 | I can log in from an ascii console; the logs show no error beyond "X didn't start" |
| 23:48.14 | Zzeiss1 | And using pastebin when I can't start X? How? |
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| 23:49.47 | rryoumaa | Zzeiss1: sprunge or paste.lisp.org should work |
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| 23:50.04 | dvs | Zzeiss1: pastebinit |
| 23:50.18 | teraflops | Zzeiss1: or <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 23:54.37 | DelphiWorld | guys may someone help with this nfs issue |
| 23:54.52 | DelphiWorld | evean i'm mounting my nfs RW |
| 23:54.58 | DelphiWorld | but client complaining its RO fs |
| 23:55.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell DelphiWorld -about enter |
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| 23:55.21 | Zzeiss1 | OK... then, the next problem becomes - I didn't keep- a log of the dist-upgrade (never needed it before). So, what do I do about that? |
| 23:55.55 | klys | date |
| 23:56.10 | dvs | time |
| 23:57.28 | DelphiWorld | anyway: my nfs file system is always mounted rw but my client complaning (its ro) |
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| 23:58.22 | stakewinner00 | there are some Debian/OpenBSD? |
| 23:58.24 | Zzeiss1 | OK, "apt-cache policy" is in http://pastebin.conm/py1n14u5 |
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| 23:58.54 | heurist | DelphiWorld: pastbin your /etc/exports |
| 23:59.14 | Zzeiss1 | er, http://pastebin.com/py1n14u5 |
