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| 00:00.46 | Zzeiss1 | Now, for a problem like "X won't start", what would be the relevant packages? |
| 00:01.13 | heurist | Zzeiss1: you sure this is wheezy? looks a lot like frankendebian |
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| 00:02.02 | DelphiWorld | heurist: http://paste.debian.net/133057/ |
| 00:02.28 | Zzeiss1 | Well, the Google is for Chrome, and the Dyalog is for APL. |
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| 00:03.02 | Zzeiss1 | and there are no pinned packages. |
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| 00:03.38 | Zzeiss1 | heurist: What's your suspicion? I'm open to suggestions! |
| 00:03.57 | rebauld | do the gnu apl and not the dyalog |
| 00:04.33 | heurist | DelphiWorld: that does not look like a valid exports file. try something like /srv/db 172.16.25.3(sync,rw,fsid=2) and see if you do not need an fsid=0 somewhere. |
| 00:04.35 | rryoumaa | does it matter much (for alignment issues) whether you specify GB or GiB to partman? |
| 00:04.40 | Zzeiss1 | rebauld: Agreed. Only reason the Dyalog is there is for their keyboard, which doesn't work anyway. |
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| 00:05.15 | heurist | rryoumaa: I would assume not. |
| 00:05.21 | Zzeiss1 | (which reminds me, I need to forward the improved APL keyboard converter to FSF. But that isn't important right now...) |
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| 00:05.50 | Zzeiss1 | Anyway, what packages do you want to see the apt-cache on? |
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| 00:06.07 | rebauld | Zzeiss1: :) |
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| 00:09.13 | Zzeiss1 | One item that did not help- reinstalling everything. Here's the input script of that....http://pastebin.com/ALNKA3Fa |
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| 00:10.16 | Zzeiss1 | well, not reinstalling. Re-configuring everything. |
| 00:10.46 | rebauld | Zzeiss1: try just install 'fluxbox' and it should install every thing needed then you can remove it if you don't want it |
| 00:11.35 | heurist | Zzeiss1: dpkg-reconfigure is not "reinstall" |
| 00:11.55 | DelphiWorld | heurist: +1 |
| 00:11.59 | DelphiWorld | thank heurist !!! |
| 00:12.01 | Zzeiss1 | ribauld: That's worth a try. |
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| 00:12.30 | heurist | DelphiWorld: where did you get your exports file contents from. it was quite weird. |
| 00:12.46 | DelphiWorld | heurist: from a ubuntu forum:P |
| 00:12.54 | heurist | DelphiWorld: /urgh |
| 00:13.02 | DelphiWorld | ugh heurist |
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| 00:14.09 | CarlGel | I just installed nvidia driver, and am jsing a config that worked on a previous installation of debian |
| 00:14.17 | CarlGel | I cannot get xfce4 to boot |
| 00:14.29 | CarlGel | xorg says no screens fous |
| 00:14.31 | CarlGel | found |
| 00:14.33 | Zzeiss1 | Installed Fluxbox. Same result. "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover." |
| 00:14.34 | debianlv | i was trying to compile dahdi but i get this error (any ideas please? http://pastebin.com/vEC8rx21 |
| 00:14.43 | heurist | dpkg: tell CarlGel -about enter |
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| 00:15.32 | CarlGel | Phones are annoying work, please forgive me. |
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| 00:15.40 | heurist | debianlv: maybe install the kernel sources or kernel headers package |
| 00:15.47 | notfaye | hi, is there a sort of stage3 available for debian? like gentoo? |
| 00:16.08 | Zzeiss1 | but it now gives a visible error! Xorg.5.log shows EE intel(0) [drm] failed to set drm interface version. |
| 00:16.30 | Zzeiss1 | "EE intel(0): Failed to become DRM master." |
| 00:16.35 | heurist | notfaye: debootstrap maybe |
| 00:16.46 | notfaye | hi heurist :) |
| 00:16.48 | debianlv | heurist: thanks for your reply, is there a special command i should type (i'm a newbiew :( ) |
| 00:16.55 | Zzeiss1 | "(II) UnloadModule: "intel" |
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| 00:17.28 | Zzeiss1 | "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 00:17.49 | Zzeiss1 | Okay... now we got somewhere! Any suggestions? |
| 00:17.53 | notfaye | heurist: thanks |
| 00:18.20 | Zzeiss1 | lemme pastebin that logfile. |
| 00:19.13 | Zzeiss1 | Take a look at the xorg.5.log: http://pastebin.com/nZy3dhkb |
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| 00:20.19 | heurist | debianlv: maybe apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 00:20.53 | Zzeiss1 | (still not used to pastebinit. But learning.) |
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| 00:21.03 | heurist | debianlv: apt-get install linux-headers-686-pae would be shorter. |
| 00:21.59 | Zzeiss1 | How do I ask "what package supplies the Intel DRM X server?" |
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| 00:22.33 | heurist | Zzeiss1: dpkg -S $file or apt-file search $file |
| 00:23.50 | cynicallemon | Zzeiss1: or packages.debian.org |
| 00:24.15 | debianlv | heurist: thx! seems like that gonna solve it. i wasn't sure if i should change something else |
| 00:27.54 | Zzeiss1 | ah, OK. Is there a command to "pull this package down and install it again"? |
| 00:28.25 | Zzeiss1 | ohk, there it is --re-install |
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| 00:32.42 | oleole | Hi, Iâm trying to connect to an SMTP server, but it says âUnable to connect to remote host: No route to hostâ. when I telnet IP 25 ⦠Is that a problem on my side or the smtp server? |
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| 00:40.20 | Zzeiss1 | nope, no joy. Reinstalled (really!) libdrm_dev, libdrm_intel1, and xserver-xorg-video-intel and no improvment. |
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| 00:50.14 | patterson | http://blog.hexxeh.net/projects |
| 00:50.25 | Megaf | I beleive there's people trying to invade my computer |
| 00:50.41 | Megaf | There are millions of these on logs. http://paste.debian.net/133061/ |
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| 00:50.52 | patterson | Pardon me |
| 00:50.59 | Megaf | Is there anything I can do about it? |
| 00:51.33 | heurist | Megaf: fail2ban is probably simplest thing to do. |
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| 00:51.53 | heurist | dpkg: tell Megaf -about fail2ban |
| 00:51.55 | quitte | lovely. systemd logged another gigabyte of avahi daemon registering and withdrawing |
| 00:52.34 | quitte | it's even the exact same messages. what happened to message repeated n times? |
| 00:53.22 | heurist | quitte: fix the problem causing the logs, not the logs. |
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| 00:57.30 | Megaf | heurist: maybe I will setup a honeypot |
| 00:57.56 | Megaf | inside a openvz container insde a vbox vm |
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| 01:00.06 | debianlv | trying to "Make config" libpri but i get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/133064/ am i missing something? any help please |
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| 01:01.05 | heurist | debianlv: "make config" is probably not correct. why are you typing that? |
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| 01:03.00 | debianlv | heurist: trying to install a start up script in the etc/init.d to start dahdi when the system boots |
| 01:03.28 | heurist | debianlv: yes, but why are you running that command. did the docs tell you to run that? |
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| 01:04.58 | debianlv | yes, please see here: http://paste.debian.net/133065/ |
| 01:05.38 | heurist | debianlv: are you in the correct directory when running that command? |
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| 01:07.56 | debianlv | i guess :) i'm trying to figure that out |
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| 01:16.26 | debianlv | heurist: Thanks you! i was in thw wrong directory :( sorry for confusing. i'm confused my self |
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| 01:26.26 | NestleTae | Hey all |
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| 01:26.54 | NestleTae | @thanks for the person who suggested doing this! http://i.hizliresim.com/4REZLQ.png |
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| 01:27.00 | NestleTae | A lot easier to read the messages. |
| 01:27.20 | peetbog | hello, just here reading and beating my head on the wall about user and group permissions |
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| 01:33.49 | heurist | peetbog: if you have specific questions about the material that you do not understand you can ask them and we will try to help you understand. otherwise keep reading. http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good book to read, it is old but still mostly valid. |
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| 01:37.18 | heyheyhey | hello |
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| 01:43.13 | heyheyhey | hello |
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| 01:44.12 | peetbog | thanks heurist. at least debian still kept adduser and useradd separate. redhat combined them. but remembering without the man page which was what is interesting. |
| 01:45.14 | heurist | peetbog: use the man pages. no need to remember. before you do anything take a quick look at the man to make sure you are doing it correctly and that works they way you expect on the system you are on. |
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| 01:49.09 | peetbog | ok think I will print them to include circles and arrows. |
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| 01:51.46 | NestleTae | heurist hey mate, I read through ramdisks and I understand it now, but I found out that it was meant to be about cachedisk, can you double check if my friend was talking about cachedisks? http://i.hizliresim.com/nG1dDV.png |
| 01:52.45 | NestleTae | heurist He's bad at explaining and busy man, so I can't him a lot questions, but is he talking about cachedisks? |
| 01:53.09 | NestleTae | heurist ask* |
| 01:53.10 | heurist | NestleTae: never heard of cachedisk |
| 01:53.55 | NestleTae | heurist apparently there's many terms to it such as disk buffering and buffer cache |
| 01:54.14 | NestleTae | heurist but yeah, it's all good, I'll google more ;) |
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| 02:05.57 | HansD_ | I've tried to help a friend for hours, it doesn't work. I'm slowly stumped. |
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| 02:06.54 | ghormoon | hi, is it common that package which is present in stable and sid in the SAME version is not present in testing? |
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| 02:07.50 | heurist | ghormoon: yes |
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| 02:08.07 | ghormoon | isn't it that stable < testing < sid? |
| 02:08.22 | heurist | ghormoon: no |
| 02:08.26 | HansD_ | He is able to load sites in iceweasel, but he has no connection to the internet in the terminal. ping answers that 100% of the data are lost. Therefore he is not able to load packages via apt-get or aptitude. I don't get it |
| 02:08.53 | ghormoon | how then? I've thought it's that way :D |
| 02:08.53 | heurist | HansD_: sounds like a proxy is involved. |
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| 02:09.41 | HansD_ | Hmm. He tells me that he has downloaded the iso and freshly installed Debina. It seems to be 7 / Wheezy. |
| 02:10.22 | ghormoon | here https://www.debian.org/releases/ it says stable < tensting < unstable and uduslly i see unstable/sid, so I've thought that's the same |
| 02:10.45 | NestleTae | heurist taking on all the questions. dayum... |
| 02:10.47 | HansD_ | Maybe his fritzbox is wrong configured? i hate it. Such things are working in 3 minutes, if I work with this freind via telephone, it lasts hours. |
| 02:10.57 | heurist | HansD_: look in the iceweasel settings, see if a proxy is set. if there is a proxy set, use that on the command line. if there is not a proxy tell iceweasel to "no proxy" instead of automatic see if iceweasel still works. |
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| 02:11.29 | ghormoon | NestleTae: procrastination ftw, I tend do that too when I have to work :P |
| 02:11.37 | HansD_ | @heutist: Ok, i will try it, if mey freind calls in some minutes. |
| 02:12.29 | NestleTae | ghormoon I'm just learning all these server admin stuff for proxmox. So I'm here most of the time...I wonder if there's an IRC channel for proxmox? |
| 02:12.48 | NestleTae | wonders |
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| 02:14.01 | ghormoon | NestleTae: no idea, google gave me #proxmox but it's likely dead, since the forum post from 2010 was talking about 2 ppl online |
| 02:14.08 | heurist | ghormoon: testing is in freeze at the moment, they often remove packages that they do not think are feasible for the next stable from testing during freeze. but they also remove packages that give issues from testing, unstable (sid) does not get the packages removed and stable can not have things removed without *very* good reasons. |
| 02:15.10 | heurist | NestleTae: /msg alis list *proxmox* says nothing on freenode by that name |
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| 02:16.12 | NestleTae | heurist ghormoon yeah, idk why I'm connected to this channel called ##proxmox. Apparently there's people in it. Not sure if bots...or...idk. |
| 02:16.19 | NestleTae | yes, ## |
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| 02:17.10 | ghormoon | I've seen few ## channels, dunno what it really means when there's another # |
| 02:17.38 | heurist | NestleTae: alis just took a long time, it has now told me about ##proxmox with 125 users |
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| 02:17.55 | NestleTae | ghormoon yeah...me too. heurist yeah i'm connected to it right now. |
| 02:18.04 | heurist | NestleTae: ghormoon: ##channel are "unofficial" channels |
| 02:18.22 | NestleTae | heurist Oh! That makes sense. |
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| 02:19.00 | heyheyhey | hi |
| 02:19.11 | NestleTae | that's 4 greetings in a row. |
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| 02:20.19 | dgfdgsdfg | chupameonas.com |
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| 02:21.28 | NestleTae | wat. |
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| 02:22.37 | ghormoon | anyway, to the packages, is there easy way to pull package from stable when on testing? (without breaking everything) |
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| 02:22.59 | NestleTae | heurist |
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| 02:24.14 | heurist | ghormoon: not really. pulling from unstable into testing is more common. but questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:24.54 | ghormoon | heurist: pulling changes will be more or less the same anyway :P |
| 02:25.09 | ghormoon | (I'm too lazy to add oftc.net to my bouncer setup :D) |
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| 02:26.11 | heurist | ghormoon: but unstable stuff is more compatible with testing. and your lazyness is not an excuse for cluttering up a stable support channel with testing questions. (: |
| 02:26.41 | heurist | ghormoon: plus the guys that use testing live in #debian-next, so you will get better support there. |
| 02:26.52 | ghormoon | though I'd bear more of pulling from unstable, generally there are newer packages, though requiring newer dependencier, right? |
| 02:26.58 | ghormoon | *fear |
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| 02:27.37 | heurist | ghormoon: no, the unstable stuff should have fewer dependency issues than stable stuff. |
| 02:28.12 | ghormoon | I'd expect the opposite, but I'll trust you :) (even thoungh this time it doesn't matter at all, since the versions are same) |
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| 02:29.50 | heurist | ghormoon: packages flow from unstable to testing. that is how they get into testing. stable is build to support the old packages from many years ago. stable packages will be build against libraries in stable (glibc_13 for instance) unstable and testing libraries are much the same. |
| 02:30.22 | ghormoon | even though the package version is exactly the same, it's rebuilt? |
| 02:30.43 | heurist | ghormoon: rebuild against the libraries in stable, yes. |
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| 02:33.08 | ghormoon | well, found tutorial how to make it find the package but not pull everything from unstable, let's see how much it breaks :P |
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| 02:35.04 | ghormoon | seems ok, it found it, it does'nt whow ehre it will pull dependencies from (jessie or testing) but I think it doesn't matter much since it doesn't try to update anything I already have |
| 02:35.33 | ghormoon | *doesn't show where it will pull ... |
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| 02:48.33 | anonnumberanon | Hi. |
| 02:49.28 | anonnumberanon | I'm trying to fix my other computer's X. Debian 7. |
| 02:49.37 | anonnumberanon | The harddrive is backed up. |
| 02:50.18 | anonnumberanon | I have an example of how it should look like (/etc/X11) on this laptop which runs the same OS. |
| 02:50.40 | anonnumberanon | I'm on a live linux on the pc FROM A USB flashdrive. |
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| 02:51.30 | anonnumberanon | trying to see if maybe I need to mount the root partition before getting into it, right now it won't let me change directory to it. |
| 02:51.43 | anonnumberanon | Is it because I need to mount it first? |
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| 03:01.24 | ningu | is there a distribution of debian that I could put on an sd card and run from there? I don't want to boot from it and install elsewhere but install to it. |
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| 03:10.47 | Gyndawyr | hello |
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| 03:11.12 | anonnumberanon | hi |
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| 03:14.10 | Gyndawyr | I'm getting some error message since I tried to switch to debian testing |
| 03:14.22 | Gyndawyr | "Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct" |
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| 03:15.22 | heurist | Gyndawyr: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:16.14 | Gyndawyr | >inb4 they're no better addressed there than here |
| 03:16.38 | heurist | Gyndawyr: this channel is for stable support though. |
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| 03:17.03 | Gyndawyr | "Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
| 03:17.12 | heurist | Gyndawyr: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
| 03:18.44 | Gyndawyr | alright I'll try going there |
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| 03:20.25 | ghormoon | any idea why I may get "too many levels of symbolic links" when the levels are just 2? |
| 03:20.49 | heurist | ghormoon: sounds circular |
| 03:21.27 | pyface | i have a partition which a mount point of /var. i want to change it to /var/log... can i just simply change /var to /var/log in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:23.01 | heurist | pyface: "simply"? not really, you will need to create a valid /var and copy all the files from the current var to it. and copy the files from the current /var/log/ to the partition you want to mount there. and then change fstab |
| 03:24.28 | ghormoon | heurist: I don;t think it is, am I stupid? :) http://pastebin.com/Ck5EUCUB |
| 03:25.26 | heurist | ghormoon: idea -> idea/bin/idea.sh see the loop? |
| 03:25.56 | ghormoon | heurist: damn, missing two dots, I'm blind really :P |
| 03:26.15 | pyface | sweet |
| 03:26.20 | pyface | willl d0, cheers dawg |
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| 03:27.08 | ghormoon | I wanted it to be /usr/local/idea-version the app itself (directory), /use/local/idea symlink to latest app dir, /usr/local/bin/idea symlink to latest script, i.e. /usr/local/idea/bin/idea.sh |
| 03:27.29 | ghormoon | what is "cleaner", full path or ../idea/bin.sh? |
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| 03:28.11 | heurist | ghormoon: then do not use ../ use /usr/local/idea-version explicitly. relative symlinks are asking for trouble. |
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| 03:28.50 | ghormoon | ok I'll make both full path |
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| 03:31.21 | Gyndawyr | There's tumbleweeds in #debian-next |
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| 03:31.33 | heurist | Gyndawyr: weekend |
| 03:31.34 | koowgnojeel | Hi |
| 03:31.38 | Gyndawyr | Can you just tell me what the error means in here? |
| 03:31.39 | ghormoon | made them like this now, is it "correct" approach now? (i.e. including the /usr/local location etc, at least I remembet that things out of package manager should be in local) root@01-work:/usr/local# ln -s /usr/local/idea-IU-139.225.3/ idea; n -s /usr/local/idea/bin/idea.sh bin/idea |
| 03:32.18 | koowgnojeel | sudo keep asking me password, How do I escape from here ? Ctrl_c don't work. |
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| 03:32.56 | heurist | koowgnojeel: ctrl-c a few times should get you out, enter a few times should also work. |
| 03:33.13 | koowgnojeel | Hi heurist @_@ |
| 03:33.20 | ghormoon | koowgnojeel: it usually gives up after few times (usually it's like 3) |
| 03:33.39 | koowgnojeel | o_O |
| 03:33.52 | koowgnojeel | But it didn't work now it worked. >_< |
| 03:33.57 | koowgnojeel | Thanks. :) |
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| 03:34.18 | heurist | Gyndawyr: that looks like some package that is broken, the testing people might know about it, or about a way to fix it. here in stable we do not have that broken package and can not really help fix is. hence asking in the right channel will get you better answers. |
| 03:34.33 | ghormoon | for me, both ctrl-c and ctrl-d give up on first try |
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| 03:35.07 | heurist | ghormoon: sometimes, sometimes not. a few always work. |
| 03:35.21 | ghormoon | worst case, open another terminall and kill it :P |
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| 03:36.09 | ghormoon | or kill the terminal it's in |
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| 03:37.07 | ghormoon | killall sudo ... had to try that one :P |
| 03:37.48 | phy1729 | ghormoon: or just kill PID 1 with a -9 (note: don't do this) |
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| 03:38.23 | ghormoon | phy1729: why not? not much happens, xl create 01-work again :P |
| 03:39.12 | ghormoon | though since he's soduoing, he's likely not root, then kill -9 1 wouldn't go |
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| 03:40.38 | heurist | ghormoon: note that UNIX SystemV killall would kill all, it did not take a command to kill but killed everything it could. pkill is safer to use, just in case. |
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| 03:41.40 | ghormoon | I'll have a look, I know kill and killall (that's the lazy way when I don't wanna get the pit from ps :D) |
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| 03:42.31 | heurist | ghormoon: pkill, pgrep and the rest are nice to know. |
| 03:42.44 | ghormoon | noted :) |
| 03:43.27 | ghormoon | though I don't see much difference when I use it from nonroot user, I don't need to specify otehr options like user, since I can't kill others processes, right? ^^ |
| 03:44.34 | ghormoon | though true I've used it unwisely once from root, when killall jboss didn't work, I've realised the command is java ... and killall java was not that wise idea :D |
| 03:44.51 | heurist | ghormoon: "difference" sysv kill would kill the whole of the user's sessions, (most) linux's killall thisthing will only try to kill thisthing |
| 03:45.20 | heurist | ghormoon: no, jave, python, ruby, they all do that silly thing with the vague name. |
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| 03:45.59 | ghormoon | yup, I've killed few more applications including unsaved changes in eclipse :D |
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| 03:47.48 | ghormoon | though I don't understand the kill part now, I can use pkill and killall to kill something by name, but what's difference in that? (pkill seems to be more parametrized, lide I can kill all java from user jboss which would do in my case, but if I don't specify the user, it won't really help?) |
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| 03:50.04 | heurist | ghormoon: with linux there is little difference (except that some systems may not have one or the other). pkill has -f and killall has -e which can be used to make command matches safer. |
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| 03:51.07 | HansD | How can I fix this problem, what maybe the reason? |
| 03:51.09 | ghormoon | nice to know, even though I know myself, I'll be lazy to specify that and just killall something and then be angry if I kill something I don't wanna |
| 03:51.10 | HansD | OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to nn.nnn.nnn.nn [nn.nnn.nnn.nn] port mmmm. debug1: connect to address nn.nnn.nnn.nn port mmmm: Connection timed out ssh: connect to host nn.nnn.nnn.nn port mmmm: Connection timed out |
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| 03:52.07 | ghormoon | HansD: is the IP/port correct? (eg. do you see the port when you nmap the machine?) |
| 03:52.08 | heurist | HansD: can you ping that host? is there a firewall blocking ssh? |
| 03:52.40 | diginet | so I have a directory with a set of images numbered from like 0500.png through 0750.png, what would be the best way to renumber these from 1-250.png while still preserving the original order? |
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| 03:53.06 | ghormoon | diginet: I'd use for :P |
| 03:53.15 | diginet | ghormoon: okay, thanks |
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| 03:54.16 | HansD_ | I've tried to connet to a remote Desktop-PC via ssh. At reomte machine ssh is installed. But i recieve the messahe "Connetion timed out" from ssh. What maybe the reason? How can i fix it? |
| 03:54.17 | ghormoon | though I'm not 100% sure it won't include any already renamed one (even though it shouldn't imho), os it will be safer to use cp to another dir to see if you didn't break things and then only if it's ok remove old ones and mv |
| 03:54.53 | ghormoon | HansD_: can you nmap -Pn nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn to see if you have ssh listed? |
| 03:55.30 | HansD_ | I try it, hope my chat window doesn't crash. |
| 03:56.03 | bobg | diginet: http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-and-scripting/251816-renumbering-files-bash-script.html |
| 03:56.46 | heurist | diginet: rename claims to take perl expression (though most people just use a regex) you can maybe make that do in less time than a for loop if you know perl. else a for look, an existence check and some (()) bash math or bc would do it, |
| 03:57.00 | ghormoon | bobg: generally what I'd do, even though I'd go with shorter version myself :P |
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| 04:01.50 | bobg | If ssh times out, could be not port forwarded properly. |
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| 04:02.42 | ghormoon | bobg: i think he's dead again :)) |
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| 04:03.21 | ghormoon | maybe the issue will be somewhere totally different, like bad network connection :P |
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| 04:18.17 | HansD | Ok, I've tried nmap it answers, that the ssh port is filtered. |
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| 04:19.51 | HansD | My friend has installed ssh via apt-get. Is it necessary to aktived it? As far as I've understood it will be aktivated automatically by installation. |
| 04:20.28 | ghormoon | HansD: check netstat -ln if it listens on 22 |
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| 04:21.09 | HansD | Thanks. :-) I try! |
| 04:21.22 | heurist | HansD: did they install the ssh server? or just the client? they need to apt-get install openssh-server and allow port 22 on the firewall |
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| 04:39.51 | anonnumberanon | How do I reinstall X on Debian 7? |
| 04:40.46 | Zzeiss1 | Ok, I am doing a real reinstall. |
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| 04:41.17 | Zzeiss1 | anonnumberanon: You're having troubles with X as well? |
| 04:41.53 | Zzeiss1 | anonnumberanon: By any chance did it pop up when you did a dist-upgrade on Wheezy? |
| 04:43.03 | anonnumberanon | I'm dist-upgrading right now to check that very thing. |
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| 04:44.08 | anonnumberanon | imean sorry i just did an upgrade, not a dist-upgrade |
| 04:44.10 | Zzeiss1 | anonnumberanon: Because of my bug report, or in spite of it? |
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| 04:45.50 | anonnumberanon | Zzeiss1, I did not see your report. |
| 04:46.10 | anonnumberanon | my issue is because I was changing things in /etc/X11 and destroyed the X config |
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| 04:46.31 | Zzeiss1 | Ah, ok. |
| 04:46.46 | heurist | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon -about confmiss |
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| 04:47.06 | heurist | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon -about xy |
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| 04:48.39 | heurist | anonnumberanon: use dpkg -S $file or apt-file search $file to work out which package you need to get the config file from. |
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| 04:52.05 | tortib | this is going to sound like a noob question...but here it goes. Are there ppa's for Debian like Ubuntu? |
| 04:52.22 | peetbog | yes called .deb files |
| 04:52.22 | heurist | tortib: no, there are not. |
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| 04:53.14 | tortib | okay i'll do it the old fashion way |
| 04:53.17 | anonnumberanon | heurist, Yeah although I don't know while file is $file, if I understand you correctly it would bring back the correct config file, but the problem is I don't know which one it is, there was a backup of xorg.conf created and inside that file it says that there wasn't a xorg.conf present origianlly so it's all pretty confusing. |
| 04:53.22 | tortib | gets his hammer out and forges some bits |
| 04:54.27 | anonnumberanon | heurist, at the moment I will attempt this and see if I still need to reinstall Xfce as well (which should be this line but replacing with Xfce: apt-get install -reinstall gdm gnome-desktop-environment xorg) http://askubuntu.com/questions/232926/etc-x11-x-not-executable-error-when-startx |
| 04:54.54 | heurist | anonnumberanon: $file is a variable. replace it with the name of the file you are interested in. xorg.conf does not exist anymore though, no package owns that, nor will any package put that back. delete it and see if things work. |
| 04:55.17 | anonnumberanon | no It doesn't when I remove it |
| 04:55.21 | anonnumberanon | still black screen |
| 04:55.30 | anonnumberanon | makes me think another file was altered as well |
| 04:55.47 | heurist | anonnumberanon: check the logs |
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| 04:58.12 | Zzeiss1 | anonnumberanon: Ah, it's correct then. Modern X11 does not, by default, even use an xorg.conf any more. The autoprober and logic behind the autoprober is now good enough that most of the time, just "autoprobe and go with the best you find" gives a very nice result, hence no xorg.conf |
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| 04:59.25 | anonnumberanon | Zzeiss1, autoprobe if I understand you would be responsible for finding monitors? When I was doing this I was connecting a second computer monitor. |
| 05:00.24 | heurist | anonnumberanon: use xrandr rather then xorg.conf to configure monitor, if possible. |
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| 05:00.58 | Zzeiss1 | Yes. Autoprobe usually gets that right too; when a second monitor is connected /disconnected, xrandr and/or Xinerama does the right thing. At least usually, for most people. |
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| 05:01.40 | Zzeiss1 | You can reconfigure your monitors (mirroring vs. separate vs. positioning left, right, and whether they scroll workspaces or not) in the system config GUI. |
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| 05:02.12 | anonnumberanon | I'm using Xfce Zzeiss1 and it has no such GUI |
| 05:02.21 | anonnumberanon | I hear some other DMs have it. |
| 05:02.32 | anonnumberanon | Well it does have a gui but it only sees one screen. |
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| 05:14.36 | eb0t | test |
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| 05:22.00 | anonnumberanon | pong eb0t |
| 05:22.25 | eb0t | he he |
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| 05:33.28 | DeaDSouL | hi |
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| 05:36.06 | DeaDSouL | the default behaviour in my ubuntu for dual monitors, is showing them next to each other... how can I change it to make it cloning (mirror) ? |
| 05:36.39 | heurist | DeaDSouL: this is #debian, not #ubuntu they are not the same thing |
| 05:37.15 | jordila | #debian community ... may someone remind me about the IRC channel for Debian Jessie ? thanks! |
| 05:37.42 | heurist | !debian-next |
| 05:37.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 05:38.02 | jordila | thanks heurist |
| 05:38.03 | DeaDSouL | ok, how can I do it on debian ? |
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| 05:40.15 | jordila | DeaDSoul ... just in case it helps, there is a nice application for mirroring - extending desktop and bla ... called arandr |
| 05:41.53 | DeaDSouL | how can I do it from terminal.. which file to modify..... the idea is connect the laptop to tv.. making it for xbmc-standalone |
| 05:42.16 | heurist | DeaDSouL: man xrandr |
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| 05:45.37 | anonnumberanon | It's really frustratring that I can ssh into my OS and not give a screen output. |
| 05:45.42 | anonnumberanon | I need heeelp. |
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| 05:49.36 | DeaDSouL | heurist: thanks |
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| 07:03.10 | auscompgeek | !ops | DonationFN |
| 07:03.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: auscompgeek complains about: | DonationFN |
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| 07:35.27 | IndoDebian | I can't get login screen |
| 07:35.42 | IndoDebian | after updating wheezy |
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| 08:04.23 | Psl | Hi. I have installed Apache on my system. Because I am a beginner I would like to ask you if you use modules like 'mod_security' or 'mod_evasive'? Can you recommend this modules? |
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| 08:07.53 | heurist | Psl: apache mod-security has a good reputation. read the documentation to understand how to use it. just installing it does little to protect you. |
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| 08:39.27 | jesusjesus | hi |
| 08:39.31 | jesusjesus | !list |
| 08:39.31 | dpkg | jesusjesus: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 08:44.53 | auscompgeek | not sure if italian or german |
| 08:46.22 | osram | Italian. |
| 08:46.36 | auscompgeek | osram: I meant the user |
| 08:46.45 | osram | Oh :) |
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| 09:04.58 | mingtsay | Hi, I want to change the behavior of isc-dhcp-server but seems that need to change source code (http://serverfault.com/questions/625619/isc-dhcp-leases-file-never-cleaned). How do you change source code before installing using apt-get |
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| 09:13.30 | ningu | is it possible to have debian not make a laptop sleep when the lid is closed? |
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| 09:15.42 | heurist | ningu: possible? yes. you will need to work out what is handling the sleep action. it may be acpid, or pm-utils, or systemd, or maybe something else. |
| 09:16.02 | ningu | ok. this is wheezy, freshly installed on a rather old dell laptop. |
| 09:16.33 | ningu | I don't have acpi-support installed... I dunno if that's a good thing in this case. |
| 09:16.55 | ningu | pm-utils is also not installed. |
| 09:17.39 | ningu | hmm... maybe it's actually not sleeping after all. I thought it was. the ssh session seems to get very laggy when I close the lid. |
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| 09:18.24 | heurist | ningu: it might also be your desktop environment that is doing the sleep. look around in the menus and setting for power-managemnt stuff. |
| 09:18.46 | ningu | no desktop environment installed :) |
| 09:18.55 | heurist | ningu: sleep would not make laggy ssh, the session would stop completely. |
| 09:19.00 | ningu | it looks like it is not sleeping. but rather it's getting slow. which is weird. |
| 09:19.05 | ningu | yeah, I know. |
| 09:19.13 | ningu | also, when I re-open the lid, the display is off. |
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| 09:19.27 | heurist | ningu: watch the logs when you close the lid and see if you see anything. |
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| 09:21.01 | ningu | nope, the last messages in all the logs I just checked are not recent. |
| 09:21.29 | ningu | well, at least it's still running. |
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| 09:22.24 | ningu | may be some sort of built-in things where it downclocks the cpu or something. I have no idea. |
| 09:22.27 | ningu | thing* |
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| 09:23.49 | heurist | ningu: run watch "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" and see if anything changes when you close and open the lid. |
| 09:24.04 | ningu | will do. :) |
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| 09:25.12 | ningu | hmm. after about 5 min or so it seems to actually have gone to sleep. |
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| 09:25.48 | ningu | the cpu MHz is 800.000 although the full /proc/cpuinfo says it can go up to 1.06GHz |
| 09:26.03 | ningu | but that seems to be when the lid is open, too |
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| 09:27.50 | heurist | ningu: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor says what? ondemand? does that change when the lid is closed? |
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| 09:28.09 | ningu | ah right. it does say ondemand. |
| 09:28.22 | ningu | same with lid closed. |
| 09:29.18 | ningu | I don't think it's a cpu issue. but there is definitely really noticeable lag and then it goes to sleep completely after a few minutes. |
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| 09:30.19 | heurist | ningu: ondemand is usually a good choice. if you want to get the cpu Mhz up you can run while true ; do true ; done and it should jump up to full speed (on one CPU at least) |
| 09:30.35 | ningu | I tried 'top' with the lid closed and there is nothing out of the ordinary. |
| 09:30.51 | ningu | ok. |
| 09:30.55 | heurist | ningu: it might be your hardware doing it too. |
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| 09:31.04 | ningu | yeah, I am starting to suspect this is some sort of hardware thing. |
| 09:31.23 | ningu | I may end up just getting a raspberry pi rather than repurposing this old laptop :) |
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| 09:34.16 | AbstractD | I'm going to go out of my way to ask a question for a pal, who cannot seem to get a solution in another channel It is related. Can any of you provide insights? |
| 09:34.18 | AbstractD | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.10 | heurist | AbstractD: this is #debian, not #ubuntu, they are not the same thing, not even slightly. |
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| 09:39.27 | AbstractD | Heurist: I *UNDERSTAND* that, but Ubuntu IS a derivative of Debian's code, albeit changed in some or many parts, still, the package manager issue is Synpatic and the cmd line tools are the same. So notwithstanding the "debian" issue, do you think you can still provide insights? |
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| 09:39.54 | heurist | !ubuntu |
| 09:39.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 09:40.29 | AbstractD | Heurist: Mmm, I know Canonical has made great changes, most they don't upstream back to Debian as Deb. Project would like, but there's got to be a common thread here |
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| 09:42.13 | AbstractD | Fine, Forget I asked. I didn't deserve to get hit with a canned message like I am an idiot and subsequently with an ignore. It was an intelligent question, regardless of what YOU *THINK* it was. |
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| 10:10.11 | marvin-hh | /etc/init.d/cups start gives exit status 0, but it doesn't start. |
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| 10:12.22 | valdyn | marvin-hh: so look at the log |
| 10:12.58 | marvin-hh | valdyn: that was empty, but I already found a huge issue. |
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| 10:13.29 | marvin-hh | valdyn: in fact the shell script which starts it checks whether some file is executable, and it that's not the case, it returns exit status 0. |
| 10:13.42 | marvin-hh | valdyn: which, IMHO, for a program which is supposed to start cups is wrong. |
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| 10:14.20 | marvin-hh | There are a ton of other tools which expect a different exit status in that case. |
| 10:14.23 | valdyn | marvin-hh: which script |
| 10:14.29 | marvin-hh | valdyn: /etc/init.d/cups |
| 10:15.23 | valdyn | marvin-hh: it checks if the cupsd binary exists |
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| 10:15.57 | marvin-hh | valdyn: exists *and* is executable. |
| 10:16.04 | marvin-hh | valdyn: hence, what I said was correct. |
| 10:16.08 | valdyn | marvin-hh: so that test doesnt fail |
| 10:16.17 | marvin-hh | valdyn: in this case, it did. |
| 10:16.32 | marvin-hh | valdyn: and, of course it can fail. |
| 10:16.33 | valdyn | marvin-hh: it cant fail if that file exists and is executable |
| 10:16.53 | marvin-hh | valdyn: and in this case the file does not exist. |
| 10:17.08 | valdyn | marvin-hh: yea, so you had cups broken or not installed |
| 10:17.26 | marvin-hh | valdyn: that has nothing to do with the correctness of this program. |
| 10:17.31 | valdyn | marvin-hh: I think this is default debian behaviour |
| 10:17.45 | marvin-hh | valdyn: in that case, it is incorrect by default. |
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| 10:17.55 | valdyn | marvin-hh: dont be so quick |
| 10:18.20 | valdyn | marvin-hh: lets assume you *uninstall* 5 services (each with their init.d script) |
| 10:18.39 | valdyn | marvin-hh: do you suggest its a good idea to show 5 errors on boot up for those? |
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| 10:19.10 | marvin-hh | valdyn: I don't understand why the boot scripts would still be there after uninstallation. |
| 10:19.20 | marvin-hh | valdyn: but if for some reason they are still there, then yes. |
| 10:19.24 | valdyn | marvin-hh: they are config files, they stay after uninstall |
| 10:19.41 | marvin-hh | valdyn: if they are not modified, I don't see why it would be a config file. |
| 10:19.53 | marvin-hh | valdyn: that can only create problems. |
| 10:19.55 | valdyn | marvin-hh: now you are getting into how debian treats config files... |
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| 10:20.15 | valdyn | marvin-hh: this whole thing has been rehashed many times 15 years ago already |
| 10:20.30 | valdyn | marvin-hh: its just how it is, its not going to change |
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| 10:21.16 | marvin-hh | valdyn: so, just out of interest, how can another program automatically start all services and check that they are all running without knowledge of the specific services? |
| 10:21.35 | valdyn | marvin-hh: its not possible without systemd |
| 10:22.15 | marvin-hh | valdyn: ok, so now I get it. Debian made a mess out of its scripts, so they thought "Hey, let's just sell our soul, and use systemd". |
| 10:22.17 | valdyn | marvin-hh: or more precisely, its not possible when you use System V init scripts |
| 10:22.33 | valdyn | marvin-hh: not really, this is the nature of system v init |
| 10:22.45 | valdyn | marvin-hh: same in *any* distro that uses system v init |
| 10:23.16 | marvin-hh | valdyn: system v init unlikely says anything about treating unmodified scripts as a configuration file. |
| 10:23.35 | valdyn | marvin-hh: you changed the topic |
| 10:23.37 | marvin-hh | valdyn: and it's also unlikely that it says anything about the contents of scripts. |
| 10:24.02 | valdyn | marvin-hh: those 2 things are unrelated |
| 10:24.05 | marvin-hh | valdyn: and, it's also unlikely that if one script fails that the whole system fails to boot. |
| 10:24.20 | marvin-hh | valdyn: in short, there is no reason for me to have seen this situation, except for bad design. |
| 10:24.25 | valdyn | marvin-hh: 1) treat as config 2) can i control services properly (thats 2 distinct things) |
| 10:24.57 | marvin-hh | valdyn: 1) is debatable, but in the case of unmodified files, I think it's a mistake. |
| 10:25.03 | marvin-hh | valdyn: 2 is a necessity. |
| 10:25.34 | valdyn | marvin-hh: im explaining, im not trying to defend any system. The things i said are just laid out facts |
| 10:25.37 | marvin-hh | If 2 is not possible with !systemd, can you then agree the system was flawed by design? |
| 10:25.56 | valdyn | marvin-hh: of course *any* system has design flaws |
| 10:26.06 | marvin-hh | valdyn: I don't agree on that. |
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| 10:27.17 | valdyn | marvin-hh: i didnt mean to say that you cant do x or y without systemd, i meant you need a *different* init system |
| 10:27.33 | valdyn | marvin-hh: im sure most are more capable than system v one way or another |
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| 10:43.28 | marvin-hh | valdyn: when I run a stable distribution, why does my printer fail from one release to the next? Why are there no upgrade scripts? |
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| 10:44.15 | marvin-hh | valdyn: in this case some Browse* directive was kicked out of cups, so everything failed (and there is more stuff which is broken). |
| 10:44.56 | marvin-hh | How terribly hard can it be to write a transformation from the old format to the new format? |
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| 10:48.44 | quentinl | marvin-hh: maybe you can help developpers doing that |
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| 11:18.00 | taylanub | hi. I'm packaging nmap for guix, and I noticed that many distros separate nmap from zenmap, even though zenmap is built together with nmap by default. what exactly is the reason to separate them? maybe X.Org dependency? |
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| 11:20.28 | SynrG | taylanub: not *just* that. it drags in a buttload of python stuff |
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| 11:20.57 | ompaul | taylanub: gui vs cli you might not want the gui stuff if you ran headless |
| 11:21.00 | taylanub | hm, ndiff also needs python |
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| 11:21.24 | ompaul | ndiff is not part of packaged nmap |
| 11:21.26 | taylanub | and the build process didn't complain when I added python-2 as a dep and nothing else |
| 11:21.40 | ompaul | you can depend on anything you want |
| 11:21.45 | taylanub | oh, so you separate ndiff too, so nmap proper needs no python? |
| 11:22.09 | ompaul | apt-cache depends nmap is your friend |
| 11:22.16 | SynrG | :) |
| 11:22.35 | ompaul | it is a recommend but a dependency |
| 11:22.45 | ompaul | that ndiff |
| 11:22.55 | twanny796 | hello debian I am running on a minimal installation of debien - with wheezy. How can I update and install a light gui? |
| 11:23.02 | taylanub | huh, says it depends on python and conflicts/replaces ndiff here |
| 11:23.22 | ompaul | taylanub: I'm running sid |
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| 11:23.46 | taylanub | ok, wheezy here |
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| 11:24.14 | taylanub | anyway, I think that's enough information, thanks. will clear the rest with guix devs. |
| 11:24.15 | SynrG | changelogs are a good source of info about the rationale, too |
| 11:24.20 | ompaul | really building a package should be the minimum - proof positive |
| 11:24.27 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.48 | ompaul | is a joke where I reported a bug and suggested that the full desktop should be made dependent on some xgames |
| 11:24.53 | ompaul | not this distro |
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| 11:25.05 | ompaul | basically the path had broken over the years that was the real bug |
| 11:25.18 | twanny796 | i have a GPG error when running update |
| 11:25.21 | twanny796 | any help? |
| 11:25.21 | ompaul | you can find it if you want to ... but really you don't need to |
| 11:25.50 | SynrG | twanny796: not unless you share the error. use paste.debian.net, including command typed and output including the error message |
| 11:25.51 | ompaul | twanny796: paste into the non spam paste.debian.net the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:26.01 | SynrG | that too |
| 11:26.16 | ompaul | SynrG: synergy today ;-) |
| 11:26.18 | ompaul | hides |
| 11:26.22 | SynrG | :) |
| 11:26.33 | SynrG | more like synchrony |
| 11:27.09 | ompaul | more like serendipity |
| 11:27.26 | SynrG | i'll seren *your* dipity |
| 11:28.03 | SynrG | is slightly punchy for the first 30 minutes of the first coffee of the day |
| 11:28.17 | ompaul | defers to Daniel Dennett deepity |
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| 11:28.53 | ompaul | woops #debian |
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| 11:32.46 | taylanub | hm, just realized that zenmap was built even though I didn't add any GUI related dependencies. how come? (guix build processes run in a restricted environment with only the given dependencies available.) |
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| 11:36.13 | SynrG | taylanub: the deps don't determine what gets built. that's the responsibility of debian/rules |
| 11:36.38 | SynrG | conversely, what you tell it to build in debian/rules won't necessarily work unless you specify correct deps |
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| 11:37.59 | taylanub | I see |
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| 11:38.12 | SynrG | notes that how to package stuff is properly a topic for #debian-mentors @ OFTC, not here |
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| 11:40.49 | [sr] | guys |
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| 11:41.19 | [sr] | this is a b it offtopic sorry about that, i'm looking for something like an Raspberrypie, to do proxy, but something with a bit more CPU |
| 11:41.36 | [sr] | if the microtik devices allow to install linux would be the option |
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| 11:42.11 | quitte | [sr]: i'd recommend intel atom |
| 11:42.29 | [sr] | hum |
| 11:42.30 | ompaul | microtik won't let you do that |
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| 11:42.38 | ompaul | afik |
| 11:42.45 | [sr] | my main question here here power consumpsion |
| 11:43.02 | ompaul | if you are worrying about the half watt you have other problems |
| 11:43.27 | quitte | [sr]: my baytrail tablet runs almost indefinately from usb power |
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| 11:44.57 | [sr] | quitte: this is for proxy |
| 11:45.05 | [sr] | i have a P4 |
| 11:45.14 | [sr] | and i'm working for the electrical company :S |
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| 11:45.31 | ompaul | how many computers are you running on that network |
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| 11:45.41 | [sr] | not much |
| 11:45.43 | [sr] | 15/20 |
| 11:45.46 | quitte | [sr]: can you spec it out some more? how many ethernet interfaces at what space. what kind of mass storage? |
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| 11:45.59 | quitte | s/space/rate |
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| 11:46.09 | [sr] | 2x eth's, space, 10/20GB is enought |
| 11:46.45 | ompaul | [sr]: you want a p4 with a a few hundred gigs of cache space - why so you can do updates and set long cache times etc |
| 11:46.58 | ompaul | two network cards one in one on. |
| 11:47.01 | quitte | hmm. 2x ethernet is a problem. Too bad that amd doesn't hurry up with their arm offerings |
| 11:47.17 | [sr] | ompaul: dont use cache |
| 11:47.27 | [sr] | in fact, i hate cache!! |
| 11:47.30 | ompaul | then the proxy is a silly idea |
| 11:47.33 | [sr] | its just for filtering |
| 11:47.40 | [sr] | its not :) |
| 11:47.41 | ompaul | do that with iptables |
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| 11:47.57 | [sr] | ompaul: url filtering... impossible with the firewall, you know |
| 11:47.58 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 11:47.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 11:48.08 | ompaul | [sr]: domain is not |
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| 11:48.19 | [sr] | ok but it's url not domain |
| 11:48.51 | quitte | [sr]: make sure you don't get a hidden usb ethernet port or sata adapter |
| 11:49.36 | quitte | [sr]: the solid-run hummingboard may be worth checking out. it has pci-e that you could add a second ethernet too. but imho the trouble isn't worth it. find an atom |
| 11:49.51 | quitte | s/too/to |
| 11:49.58 | [sr] | thanks fhe tips you both |
| 11:50.51 | ompaul | [sr]: do it right get a real machine - at least you can scale if you need to if you do it the way you are thinking now you have to get so many add ons you will be half way to the price of an entry level dell and you still won't have great ethernet cards - get two nics one card use the onboard for control and have fun |
| 11:52.08 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.18 | ompaul | SynrG: ^^ my new joke for today |
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| 11:52.23 | amundsen | hi |
| 11:52.51 | amundsen | does anyone know if debian installer recognizes wireless keyboards? |
| 11:52.57 | [sr] | ompaul: i already have this setup for the last 15 years, it's just a matter of power consumpsion |
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| 11:53.36 | quitte | amundsen: most usb keyboards are just hid devices that even work with the bios. so uinless you have an actual bluetooth keyboard there won't be an issue |
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| 11:54.52 | amundsen | quitte: so bluetooth keyboards are not supported ? |
| 11:55.34 | quitte | amundsen: I don't know but I'm sure that they are trouble. |
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| 12:01.28 | ompaul | amundsen: for the install a wired keyboard should work - but you could try a bluetooth dongle one I've had one work for me |
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| 12:01.48 | ompaul | because the software sees the usb connection |
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| 12:10.14 | Hanky | hi |
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| 12:12.00 | thopiekar | hello, could someone please tell me why this fails: I've got a package "xserver-xorg-1.9" which provides xserver-xorg and replaces the upstream one. But when I want to install the metapackage called xorg it fails saying xorg needs xserver-xorg (>= someversion), but my package provides a higher version. Why does it not work? |
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| 12:18.00 | ompaul | pankopango: read the source code documentation from kernel.org and the debian documentation |
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| 13:11.37 | viic_ | I've noticed strange files in my /tmp directory. /tmp/ssh-* and /tmp/pulse-*. What are these files? |
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| 13:35.23 | xai | Seems, it was banned due to some bug in "git" in Debian/kFreeBSD. |
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| 13:59.36 | galex-713 | Hello, Iceweaselâs stopping me to access to website with self-signed certificates, and the button âadd an aexceptionâ disappeared. I canât anymore access certain parts of the web. How can I fix that? |
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| 14:04.38 | AR45 | galex-713: You'll have better luck in #debian-mozilla on OFTC |
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| 14:24.50 | z1y | Hi. i'm using Debian wheezy. I use sudo + su + bad shell and I got a "invalid pointer" error. Is this a bug? http://icy.theslinux.org/s/sudo-su-with-invalid-shell.txt . This happens on Debian 7 and ubuntu 14.04 (not on ubuntu 12.04 and or other installation that I have) |
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| 14:29.50 | galex-713 | AR45: thx |
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| 14:37.43 | plotino | hello |
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| 14:39.28 | plotino | from squeeze to wheezy |
| 14:39.39 | plotino | currently only twm wors properly |
| 14:40.11 | plotino | gnome shell crash while gnome classic is worngly displayed: black borders with no menus |
| 14:40.15 | plotino | can u help me? |
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| 14:43.45 | albru123 | Hi, I need to run a java app that needs XServer, but I want to have only console displayed on the server itself. So I thought I'll start one X display, where the app will be displayed and connect to it using VNC. Now I want it to be as lightweight as possible, so do I need any windows manager to be running to use the java app? And if yes, which one is the most lightweight (like i3 for example)? |
| 14:44.03 | Brigo | plotino, it could be the driver |
| 14:44.16 | albru123 | *not XServer but X11 Display |
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| 14:44.55 | Brigo | albru123, there is some lightweight wm, but i thin the best is twm |
| 14:45.08 | Brigo | albru123, but not sure. |
| 14:45.31 | Brigo | plotino, what graphic card did you have? |
| 14:45.40 | Brigo | s/did/do/ |
| 14:46.10 | albru123 | Brigo: It's not really important, but if some software I wanna use needs X |
| 14:46.20 | albru123 | I want it to be as lightweight as possible |
| 14:46.44 | albru123 | Brigo: Thanks anyway, I'll give it a try |
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| 14:47.08 | Brigo | albru123, yes, i think it is the best you can do, try some of them :) |
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| 14:50.42 | plotino | brigo, i have geforce 440MX |
| 14:50.51 | plotino | i have installed the driver nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 14:51.11 | plotino | *, sorry Brigo |
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| 14:55.47 | plotino | so Brigo, you advise to reinstall the nvidia driver? |
| 14:56.11 | Brigo | no, i mean to check it. |
| 14:56.24 | plotino | how? |
| 14:56.48 | Brigo | what is the output of 'glxinfo |grep "direct rend"' ? |
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| 14:58.19 | plotino | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 15:02.39 | plotino | it's enough that to say its working correctly |
| 15:02.41 | plotino | ? |
| 15:03.42 | Brigo | plotino, yes. |
| 15:04.23 | Brigo | then the problem is not the driver. the upgrade was fine? no problems remaining? |
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| 15:05.03 | heroxbd | the udev rename rule seems not to apply to virtio-net based NICs |
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| 15:21.14 | plotino | Brigo, frankly the update process has been interrupted at night and restored the day after |
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| 15:21.33 | plotino | but it seemed anyway it complted successfully |
| 15:21.52 | plotino | can i try to reinstall gnome? |
| 15:21.56 | Brigo | plotino, tha is fine |
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| 15:22.05 | plotino | take into account also that my hw is old |
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| 15:22.33 | Brigo | plotino, i need to see some logs, can you paste /var/log/syslog in paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:23.06 | plotino | i n mot used to paste in paste.debian.net |
| 15:23.28 | centrx | You'll figure it out |
| 15:23.37 | quitte | plotino: there is a pastebinit package in debian |
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| 15:25.12 | plotino | anyway the only error in syslog is |
| 15:25.34 | plotino | debian gnome-session[2740]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer: sms_error_handler |
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| 15:28.00 | plotino | is it corrext to make |
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| 15:28.21 | plotino | purge gnome-session and install gnome-session? |
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| 15:30.25 | albru124 | Brigo: Thanks a lot, it really works :D |
| 15:30.40 | Brigo | albru124, good for you :) |
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| 15:41.59 | Aybbtus | hi |
| 15:44.01 | Illyasviel | How can i allocate more space to /usr? |
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| 15:44.47 | Aybbtus | anyone know of decent cad software |
| 15:44.50 | centrx | Illyasviel, use parted or gparted |
| 15:44.52 | Aybbtus | ? |
| 15:45.09 | Illyasviel | Openscad |
| 15:45.09 | zinx | Aybbtus: depends on your needs... freecad does 2d ok, but it's alpha and imho the 3d support isn't so great |
| 15:45.28 | zinx | Aybbtus: if you like coding it instead of point&click, OpenJSCad.org or OpenSCAD are ok |
| 15:45.57 | zinx | Aybbtus: if you only need 2D, there's a number of options, i forget them all |
| 15:47.11 | abrotman | zinx: people don't use blender? :) |
| 15:47.24 | zinx | abrotman: blender is not a CAD program, it's a modelling program. |
| 15:47.29 | albru124 | abrotman: Blender is CAD? |
| 15:47.32 | abrotman | zinx: that was a joke ... |
| 15:47.32 | Aybbtus | I was interested in electronic sim cad |
| 15:47.35 | zinx | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:47.37 | mingtsay | Hello, does anyone use dhcpd.leases? It seems not update. |
| 15:47.39 | Aybbtus | yes I think blender is cad |
| 15:47.40 | albru124 | ouch :D |
| 15:47.48 | abrotman | Aybbtus: xcircuit or uhm .. geda |
| 15:47.55 | zinx | Aybbtus: you can use the GEDA suite + ng-spice / gnucap or whatever |
| 15:47.58 | centrx | xpaint |
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| 15:48.38 | abrotman | wonders how active gEDA is these days since Ales seems to be away more |
| 15:48.56 | zinx | Aybbtus: that's the best combo i've found personally.. there's also kicad (didn't like much), fritzing (bit too basic), and a gratis restricted version of eagle |
| 15:49.23 | mingtsay | My server has isc-dhcp-server and I connected a device to the network, but it seems that the device doesn't appear neither in dhcpd.lease nor arp table |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | maybe it's hitting a different DHCP server .. |
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| 15:50.02 | albru124 | AFAIK Eagle works correctly under Wine ... just sayin' |
| 15:50.02 | zinx | Aybbtus: for simulation, there's gratis LTSpice 4 if you don't mind wine, and gratis (limited) DipTrace works in wine as well |
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| 15:50.27 | mingtsay | abrotman: I thought that before so I already checked that no other DHCPd than mine |
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| 15:51.39 | zinx | abrotman: gEDA's been fine for me, just annoying to create components in it |
| 15:52.03 | albru123 | zinx: Well, creating components is annoying everywhere |
| 15:52.09 | Aybbtus | I would like to find something like ltspice, but with a bit of more.... choices |
| 15:52.09 | zinx | and of course it has the typical outdated clunky feeling interface almost all electrical cad stuff has :) |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | zinx: I just meant moving forward with developement, etc .. I know Ales from another project/network |
| 15:52.31 | zinx | albru123: it's really easy in DipTrace tbqh |
| 15:52.43 | zinx | abrotman: ah |
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| 15:53.49 | zinx | Aybbtus: i use gschem + ng-spice to good effect, but i'll admit to having to create and/or find a lot of ng-spice compatible models |
| 15:54.12 | albru123 | zinx: It's all about the habit, when you'll learn, then you can do it like nothing. But in Eagle it was kinda painful for the first time |
| 15:54.18 | abrotman | zinx: Ales was the(?) original developer of gEDA |
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| 15:56.53 | zinx | albru123: i don't learn like that :P |
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| 15:57.39 | zinx | albru123: in particular i'm really horrible at remebering shortcuts |
| 15:57.41 | Aybbtus | anyone else know of some other cool, engineering software |
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| 15:59.46 | albru123 | zinx: Yeah, me too :D |
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| 16:00.52 | dhaval2712 | Can I not get gcc-4.8 on debian |
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| 16:02.59 | centrx | dhaval2712, it's in testing/unstable |
| 16:03.45 | dhaval2712 | I'm using testing and it says that these 3 packages have unmet dependencies and that I have held broken packages. |
| 16:04.21 | dhaval2712 | So how doI see what packages are exactly broken? |
| 16:05.48 | dhaval2712 | My ultimate goal is to install nvidia 340 drivers. So I need linux 3.16 and there's an issue installing linux-headers. |
| 16:06.16 | valdyn | dhaval2712: these things are packaged in debian |
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| 16:06.23 | valdyn | dhaval2712: in testing |
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| 16:07.34 | dhaval2712 | It's choosing 3.2 for some reason when i do apt-get install linux-image |
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| 16:08.02 | sandman13 | I aborted the installation of Skype now I have a list of unmet dependencies, how do i remove these errors? http://paste.debian.net/133149/ |
| 16:08.29 | valdyn | sandman13: just like the error messages sais "you might want to run apt-get -f install" |
| 16:08.51 | dhaval2712 | Should linux-headers-amd64 do it? |
| 16:08.58 | sandman13 | valdyn: installing and removing? |
| 16:09.09 | valdyn | sandman13: what? |
| 16:09.43 | sandman13 | valdyn: apt-get -f installs those packages |
| 16:09.48 | valdyn | sandman13: you run the *same* command that the error message tells you to run |
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| 16:10.42 | valdyn | dhaval2712: "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 16:11.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 16:11.51 | valdyn | dhaval2712: this is alot easier than you think it is, just cooperate please, run that command |
| 16:12.10 | dhaval2712 | Yeah. |
| 16:12.39 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/zgZnjKFC |
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| 16:13.12 | valdyn | dhaval2712: "apt-get install linux-image-amd64 nvidia-kernel-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia" |
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| 16:14.14 | Illyasviel | I tried increase /usr size in gparted but there are only 3 partitions 2 are boot partitions and the last is a lvm2 partition |
| 16:14.19 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: Running now, will take some time. So what was I doing wrong? What is nvidia-kernel-amd64? |
| 16:14.43 | valdyn | dhaval2712: you were thinking picking a compiler version would do you good |
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| 16:15.05 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: I told me that it required that and so I tried to install it. |
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| 16:15.18 | valdyn | dhaval2712: while a) compiler version does not matter even if you compiled the drivers b) the drivers are shipped compiled |
| 16:16.04 | valdyn | dhaval2712: nvidias driver package sais that, but that package is not supported here. Debian ships the same software in its own debian packages |
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| 16:17.29 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: Initially I installed the nvidia-driver metapackage, that didn't work and it broke something so I reinstalled. |
| 16:17.44 | dhaval2712 | This time I tried to follow the wiki, but I couldn't install the headers, and so I came here. |
| 16:18.10 | brokencycle | how can i export a single key from my gpg keyring? |
| 16:18.24 | brokencycle | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.44 | dhaval2712 | Thanks a lot, valdyn. |
| 16:18.53 | valdyn | brokencycle: gpg -export keyid |
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| 16:18.58 | valdyn | brokencycle: gpg --export keyid |
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| 16:20.00 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: So, I still don't quite understand what I did wrong. |
| 16:20.01 | valdyn | dhaval2712: you need the headers in most cases, unless you use debian/stable or in this special case debian / frozen testing |
| 16:20.23 | valdyn | dhaval2712: probably nothing wrong per se |
| 16:20.52 | dhaval2712 | I think I'll write this down for next time. |
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| 16:20.56 | dhaval2712 | The packages, I mean. |
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| 16:21.00 | brokencycle | valdyn: ok... and how can i inspect the resulting file? at several hundred kb, it looks like it has much more information than it should |
| 16:21.03 | valdyn | dhaval2712: if you had properly upgraded the whole system to jessie prior to following the wiki, everything would probably have worked out |
| 16:21.33 | Illyasviel | I have an lvm2 partition does it use pseudo partitons? |
| 16:21.40 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: I see. |
| 16:21.52 | Illyasviel | I cant see the /usr partition. Maybe im missing something? |
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| 16:22.09 | valdyn | Illyasviel: so maybe you dont have a /usr partition |
| 16:22.11 | dhaval2712 | Thanks man. I'm actually used to Fedora but I'm trying debian because, I just never have. |
| 16:22.14 | Illyasviel | I do |
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| 16:22.29 | Illyasviel | I set it to install everything in different partitions |
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| 16:23.24 | valdyn | dhaval2712: when you have a kernel version which there is no precompiled nvidia drivers for, then you just install nvidia-kernel-dkms and linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:23.51 | dhaval2712 | I see. |
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| 16:25.01 | dhaval2712 | I've actually had that problem before but kmod-nvidia on Fedora has the kernel as a dependency the install simply fails if the kernel is too new, or something like that. |
| 16:25.15 | dhaval2712 | Anyway, thanks a lot. |
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| 16:25.37 | dhaval2712 | And yeah I understand the problem now. Thanks |
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| 16:30.41 | valdyn | !tell Illyasviel -about ask |
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| 16:33.18 | Illyasviel | Im trying to resize a partition within a lvm2 partition (i dont know if that makes sense but thats what it looks like to me), how can I do this? |
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| 16:35.36 | Okitain | Illyasviel: you mean, the whole LVM partition or parts of it? |
| 16:35.47 | Illyasviel | parts of it |
| 16:36.29 | Okitain | Illyasviel: does GParted help? |
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| 16:37.05 | Illyasviel | no, it just shows one big lvm partitiojn |
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| 16:38.53 | salieri25 | Hi, |
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| 16:39.17 | Illyasviel | Okitain: I dont think they are *real* partitions, I think they are virtual or something |
| 16:39.36 | albru123 | Anybody here got some experience with minidlna? It just won't start at boot |
| 16:39.46 | salieri25 | I'm looking for a a Single System Image for Debian |
| 16:39.54 | abrotman | a what? |
| 16:40.02 | salieri25 | can anyone suggest where can I start to look around? |
| 16:40.07 | Illyasviel | The diagram says that they can be be across HDDs so I think they are virtual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
| 16:40.08 | mrdeb | debian.org |
| 16:40.21 | Okitain | Illyasviel: well, google suggests https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM#Configuration |
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| 16:44.56 | Illyasviel | Okitain: I dont have those commands installed, although I do have the LVM2 package. Is there another package I need? |
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| 16:46.10 | Illyasviel | Odd, I do have them /sbin just isn't in the $PATH |
| 16:46.12 | Okitain | Illyasviel: I actually don't have much of an idea about LVM, so you are on your own. Supposedly, you need resize2fs. |
| 16:46.24 | Okitain | Illyasviel: YOU NEED TO RUN AS ROOT |
| 16:47.05 | GNU\colossus | lvm can resize volume groups and logical volumes; not partitions |
| 16:47.22 | GNU\colossus | partitions (can) serve as the base for volume groups, in the form of physical volumes |
| 16:47.41 | mrdeb | hi |
| 16:47.44 | GNU\colossus | if you want to resize a _parition_, you should probably use the gparted livecd, or some such thing |
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| 16:51.50 | Illyasviel | Ah ok, I didnt know that a logical volume was different to a partition |
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| 16:54.58 | Walex | salieri25: that's not something that is currently much of interest; there used to be a clustering thingie that did that, but it has become no longer in much use |
| 16:55.21 | pflanze | Hello. There's a very old issue on X with some applications, currently most notably iceweasel, that when selecting a bigger amount of text (> 1/2 screenful) then dragging it a bit with the mouse (to a place with no reception, thus the 'ghost' will move back), |
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| 16:55.46 | pflanze | the moving of the selection ghost image is extremely slow (can easily take 30 seconds). |
| 16:56.11 | pflanze | It is essentially locking up X until it has finished that move. |
| 16:56.26 | Walex | pflanze: driver dependent. Some drivers do that some don't |
| 16:56.27 | pflanze | I just can't find any report about this in DDG&Google somehow. |
| 16:56.46 | pflanze | hmm. Nvidia closed source driver here. |
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| 16:57.02 | Walex | pflanze: same happens with doing "opaque" window moves with some drivers. |
| 16:57.28 | pflanze | Interestingly chromium has a similar moving ghost image, but without the slowness. |
| 16:57.32 | Walex | pflanze: likely an nVidia issue, and/or selecting the "wrong" AIGLX accel technique |
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| 16:58.13 | Walex | pflanze: not interesting at all, different tools can use very different code paths in the driver by changing very little in the invocation |
| 16:59.00 | pflanze | Any idea if/what I can configure to fix it? |
| 16:59.20 | pflanze | looking up AIGLX |
| 16:59.25 | Walex | pflanze: change AIGLX technique; change opaque moves to outline moves; change driver |
| 16:59.41 | Walex | pflanze: compositing technique |
| 16:59.50 | pflanze | I don't use compositing. |
| 17:00.04 | Walex | pflanze: then XRENDER etc. |
| 17:00.07 | pflanze | (Xfce here, compositing turned off or not available, don't remeber which) |
| 17:01.14 | albru123 | this is weird, I have minidlna service enabled on boot in rc.d, but it just won't start, log is empty, just plain nothing. |
| 17:03.03 | pflanze | Thanks Walex, going to try some things. |
| 17:04.03 | pflanze | albru123, maybe wrap the starter script with one that logs its output, too? |
| 17:04.17 | pflanze | (Also, what happens when running it after boot?) |
| 17:04.40 | albru123 | pflanze: It just starts correctly |
| 17:05.05 | pflanze | May be an issue with missing environment variables, or a dependency not having been started yet. |
| 17:05.36 | pflanze | How did you enable it? |
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| 17:05.49 | albru123 | pflanze: Yeah, saw something like that on google, but in that case, there will be some message in log |
| 17:06.27 | pflanze | Look at the /etc/init.d/minidlna or so script, it may give you clues. |
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| 17:06.45 | albru123 | pflanze: update-rc.d minidlna defaults |
| 17:06.51 | albru123 | also checked it using rcconf |
| 17:07.10 | pflanze | That should be fine |
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| 17:08.11 | pflanze | So either the script checks for something and silently decides that it shouldn't start it (looking at the script should give clues), or it issues an error message that you miss during boot (in which case wrapping it and log the output to a separate file should help). |
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| 17:10.12 | pflanze | albru123, also check the bug reports. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767978 |
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| 17:10.35 | pflanze | well, no resolution there yet. |
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| 17:11.48 | albru123 | pflanze: There is a solution for this, but I don't even have those errors |
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| 17:12.23 | pflanze | ah |
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| 17:12.52 | pflanze | well, that's not the original poster there; it may be two separate issues |
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| 17:13.57 | Illyasviel | So i broke the superblock when resizing the FS, the physical size and the size that the superblock says mismatch. Can i change the superblock's size so that they dont mismatch? |
| 17:14.41 | pflanze | Illyasviel, that will depend on the FS; have you run fsck? |
| 17:14.51 | Illyasviel | Yes |
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| 17:14.59 | pflanze | It didn't fix it? |
| 17:15.05 | Illyasviel | No |
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| 17:15.52 | pflanze | What was the output? |
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| 17:16.39 | dhaval2712 | So I installed the new nvidia drivers from testing but I got a message saying that the driver loaded was different from the driver installed and it should be fixed by a reboot. Now gnome-session doesn't start because of some GPG error. |
| 17:17.33 | pflanze | GPG or GPL? |
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| 17:17.39 | albru123 | pflanze: Log level is set to debug, but it still won't do anything, god why? :D |
| 17:17.52 | dhaval2712 | pflanze: libgpg-error, specifically. |
| 17:18.12 | Illyasviel | http://imgur.com/tnPnRE9 |
| 17:18.25 | dhaval2712 | I don't have the output right now because I'm on a different distro. But it was something to that effect. |
| 17:18.43 | pflanze | albru123, the problem is likely happening before the daemon is up, so the errors will not go to the log, but the console (which you'll miss between the many messages during startup). That's why I said to wrap the start script and log the output separately. I can help you how. |
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| 17:19.22 | Illyasviel | pflanze can you see it alright? |
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| 17:19.49 | albru123 | pflanze: So how to wrap it, do you have any link with instructions or something (take your time :D)? |
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| 17:20.11 | pflanze | Illyasviel, yep. When you reboot or mount the fs after this, will it still complain? What does fsck say when you run it again now? |
| 17:20.28 | Illyasviel | Same every time |
| 17:20.54 | pflanze | Illyasviel, moment, I'll have to study the messages a bit more.. |
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| 17:22.11 | pflanze | albru123, (replace "foo" with the name of the script in the following) move the original /etc/init.d/foo to foo.orig, then create a new foo in its place, and put the following two lines in it: |
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| 17:22.18 | pflanze | #!/bin/bash |
| 17:22.29 | Illyasviel | Its just the home folder right? Surely i could wipe it |
| 17:22.34 | pflanze | /etc/init.d/foo.orig "$@" > /var/log/foo-startup 2>&1 |
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| 17:23.20 | pflanze | albru123, then "chmod +x /etc/init.d/foo". Then test it first by manually running it, and veryfying that the log file has been generated. Then reboot and check the log again. |
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| 17:25.05 | pflanze | Illyasviel, it's an interesting issue, I've never run into it and I'm sure I've resized ext3 filesystems in the past, too. |
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| 17:25.24 | pflanze | Did you google for the messages? |
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| 17:25.30 | dhaval2712 | This is the error I get when I try to start gnome-session manually. |
| 17:25.39 | Illyasviel | They are just size mismatches |
| 17:26.01 | Illyasviel | The superblock just wasnt updated and fsck doesnt want to play ball |
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| 17:26.51 | dhaval2712 | This is `cat /var/log/messages | grep gnome` http://pastebin.com/hZ71RXcT |
| 17:26.57 | calisto | HI have memory problems, what is the command to run a process of instalation, ej: to reinstall the deskctop (dselect?? not remember) can helpme? |
| 17:27.00 | pflanze | Illyasviel, yeah well I've got no idea how that would happen; superblock is somewhere in the middle of the partition and partition resizing tools should update it. |
| 17:27.10 | pflanze | which tool did you use? |
| 17:27.34 | Illyasviel | Lvresize |
| 17:27.37 | albru123 | pflanze: Ouch, there's some mistake in the original script maybe. The log output shows the Usage of the script. |
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| 17:28.04 | pflanze | Illyasviel, ok, I think I understand, you resized the underlying partition but not the file system. Check "parted" or "resize2fs". |
| 17:28.26 | pflanze | albru123, you need to pass it the "start" argument |
| 17:28.33 | albru123 | ok |
| 17:28.40 | Illyasviel | Yeah resize2fs asks for fsck |
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| 17:28.55 | Illyasviel | I deleted the LV though |
| 17:29.15 | Illyasviel | I had just set this pc up about 30 min ago so i havent lost much |
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| 17:30.23 | pflanze | Illyasviel, ok well I suggest you try gparted, that's graphical and should do all the right things. (Let me verify if that's the tool i used last) |
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| 17:31.05 | albru123 | pflanze: Well, after reboot it was empty (which is correct, because the OK message is not included for some reason) and when I run status, it says it is running. Really strange |
| 17:31.54 | pflanze | albru123, and it's not running? try "lsof -i -n" to see listening processes. |
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| 17:32.13 | pflanze | Illyasviel, yes gparted should be best. |
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| 17:32.51 | pflanze | calisto, apt-get --reinstall install $package |
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| 17:33.23 | albru123 | pflanze: Looks like it is running |
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| 17:36.01 | albru123 | pflanze: Let's see if it'll work when I'll rename the script back |
| 17:36.31 | Illyasviel | Im normally pretty confident on command line, i just sometimes break the things :P |
| 17:36.47 | pflanze | dhaval2712, I think it cannot connect to the X server, probably because it crashed; check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:37.57 | dhaval2712 | I think Xorg said that the nvidia module wasn't loaded. I don't have it right now. |
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| 17:38.10 | pflanze | Illyasviel, you definitely have to do two actions when using the lower-level tools, resizing of the LV, and then of the filesystem. When enlarging, first the LV then the FS, when shrinking first the FS then the LV of course. |
| 17:38.27 | albru123 | pflanze: aaand ... it's not working again, wtf? |
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| 17:38.42 | Illyasviel | Yeah. |
| 17:39.39 | pflanze | dhaval2712, makes sense; I suggest you try to get X running independently from gnome, by becoming root, then just entering "X" at the command line. When it stays up, you see the default screen with an "X" as cursor. ctl-alt-F1 then ctl-c to stop it again. |
| 17:40.04 | pflanze | dhaval2712, if it doesn't start you'll see messages right on the console and can tweak the Xorg.conf till it works. |
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| 17:40.24 | dhaval2712 | Yes. It will take a few minutes. I will also need to install weechat or whatever so yeah, I'll be back. Thanks a lot. |
| 17:40.24 | Irisviel | hugs Illyasviel |
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| 17:42.30 | Illyasviel | :D |
| 17:42.39 | njs` | /close |
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| 17:48.14 | Aybbtus | anyone know of decent linux games? |
| 17:48.26 | albru123 | pflanze: What if the minidlna can't write to /var/log, it's using it's own user and group - minidlna |
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| 17:48.32 | dhaval2712 | Hello? |
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| 17:48.52 | pflanze | albru123, still nothing in the start log? You could strace it. Prepend "strace -o /var/log/foo.straceout -f " to the second line in our script (although you should "chmod go-rw /var/log/foo.straceout" afterwards to make sure nobody else can read it.) |
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| 17:49.11 | dhaval2712 | pflanze: Xorg says failed to load module nv |
| 17:49.13 | pflanze | dhaval2712, :) (But I'll soon disappear for dinner) |
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| 17:49.31 | dhaval2712 | lsmod says nvidia is loaded. |
| 17:49.33 | dhaval2712 | Okay. |
| 17:49.38 | albru123 | pflanze: Depends on what it should say, the script itself doesn't respond to service minidlna start |
| 17:49.43 | primotivo | Good morning. Trying to find the best way to have a user login automatically at boot. I'm using awesome wm with no display manager |
| 17:49.44 | valdyn | dhaval2712: you need an xorg.conf for nvidia drivers |
| 17:49.50 | taylanub | Aybbtus: I heard those that run on Wine are OK |
| 17:50.01 | albru123 | but the service is started anyway |
| 17:50.15 | dhaval2712 | valdyn: So can I generate that? With nvidia-xsettings? |
| 17:50.22 | dhaval2712 | Or do I have to do it manually somehow? |
| 17:50.25 | albru123 | Aybbtus: Did you checked PlayOnLinux? |
| 17:50.27 | pflanze | dhaval2712, makes sense in that nv is the open source driver, which it can't load; the kernel has nvidia loaded, but the X server probably can't load the user-space part of the nvidia driver |
| 17:50.46 | pflanze | dhaval2712, ("nvidia" being the closed-source driver) |
| 17:50.56 | valdyn | dhaval2712: http://pastebin.com/SfhE9cWE should suffice |
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| 17:53.12 | pflanze | albru123, if there is no output, there's nothing written to the log, that's fine. It's well possible that the OK message is written directly to the reopened tty instead of filehandles 0 or 1 which we capture; there's not much we can do for that. |
| 17:53.49 | pflanze | albru123, errors are usually written to filehandlles 0 or 1, so no problem for our purpose. |
| 17:54.24 | albru123 | pflanze: I'll delete the logs and try again :P |
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| 17:55.05 | pflanze | dhaval2712, I can give you my xorg.conf if you want, using the nvidia driver, too. |
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| 17:55.34 | dhaval2712 | Hey, where do I put xorg.conf? |
| 17:55.46 | dhaval2712 | pflanze: No I wrote it down, thanks. |
| 17:55.48 | pflanze | dhaval2712, below /etc/X11/ |
| 17:56.01 | dhaval2712 | pflanze: /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 17:56.06 | pflanze | dhaval2712, my xorg.conf is longer; and yep. |
| 17:56.31 | dhaval2712 | pflanze: Okay. Thanks. Firing up xinit now. |
| 17:57.04 | pflanze | (I just run "X" but whatever you prefer :) |
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| 17:59.16 | dhaval2712 | pflanze:, valdyn : Yeah. It worked. Xinit gave me a terminal Tried to start gnome-session but it says "something went wrong". Trying to use i3 now. |
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| 18:00.36 | dhaval2712 | i3 Works! Thanks a lot guys! |
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| 18:00.57 | pflanze | np :) |
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| 18:02.07 | albru123 | pflanze: Finally something. It really looks like it starts before ethernet |
| 18:02.24 | pflanze | Ok, makes sense |
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| 18:03.48 | pflanze | This should be fixable by changing the "Require-start" in the original start script to include $networking or some such, I'd have to check the manual. |
| 18:04.33 | pflanze | albru123, ^, also, you'll have to move the script back to the original location (deleting our wrapper script), then run update-rc.d again to make it reorder the startup sequence. |
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| 18:05.18 | dhaval2712 | One question, does Debian Testing use systemd? |
| 18:06.07 | Illyasviel | Yeah. I ended up reinstalling debian |
| 18:06.14 | pflanze | dhaval2712, AFAIK it's been decided to do so, but dunno if it's there already. |
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| 18:10.00 | mtn | dhaval2712: yes it does |
| 18:10.18 | pflanze | albru123, according to https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts the dependency is called $network |
| 18:11.33 | pflanze | wanders off |
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| 18:12.36 | valdyn | dhaval2712: systemd is the default, system V and systemd both are supported |
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| 18:43.30 | joshumax | Anyone able to help me with getting debootstrap working on busybox and microperl? |
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| 19:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, anyone using debootstrap |
| 19:01.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses debootstrap, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:01.15 | nholland | window goto 2 |
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| 19:05.02 | joshumax | regardless of the horrific design of debootstrap, my project calls for it :\ |
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| 19:05.48 | somiaj | what is wrong with debootstrap, it does what it is supose to very well |
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| 19:06.34 | joshumax | somiaj does make a valid point |
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| 19:07.04 | petemc | and question.. |
| 19:07.09 | joshumax | if /me can figure out why it's failing on busybox |
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| 19:08.47 | sdg | I am running Debian 3.16.5-1 that uses systemd is there a splash screen that works? When I install plymouth I get errors. |
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| 19:09.20 | sdg | From what I understood plymouth supports systemd pretty well? |
| 19:09.34 | joshumax | seems to be crashing with an arithmetic error in download_release |
| 19:11.05 | spatials | zathura-mupdf not being included - this crazy - anybody know what is happening? |
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| 19:11.40 | petemc | joshumax: have you checked it works with microperl? |
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| 19:12.00 | somiaj | joshumax: shouldn't you be asking for support at busybox, this is for supporting debian. |
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| 19:13.06 | spatials | Debian wheezy - zathura-mupdf? |
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| 19:13.33 | somiaj | I assume you are trying to run debootstrap from a busybox install? |
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| 19:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | spatials, zathura-pdf-poppler is packaged as part of zathura |
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| 19:18.08 | Aybbtus | anyone know where I could find a good amount of information on making a deb package ? |
| 19:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Aybbtus about nmg |
| 19:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dat :) |
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| 19:20.06 | somiaj | Aybbtus: depends onw hat you want to do, best place is the new matainers guide, but if you want to say modify a debian source, that is far easier to make a package |
| 19:20.09 | somiaj | Aybbtus: so what is your goal? |
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| 19:22.59 | spatials | CutMeOwnThroat: poppler gives poor rez - mupdf is much improved |
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| 19:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | spatials, err... pdf is usually vector graphics. you mean you like the type of anti-aliasing and/or subpixelrendering it does more |
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| 19:47.58 | spatials | CutMeOwnThroat: everything is sharper with mupdf is the main point - answers to bug reports about zathura-mupdf are untrue is all. |
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| 19:49.04 | spatials | ... just wanted more info about it |
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| 19:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | spatials, well, at this point you can use mupdf itself or build your own zathura package, which isn't too hard |
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| 19:56.43 | spatials | ha, and mess up all the deps on wheezy to build the zathyra-pdf-mupdf plugin - errr.:( |
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| 19:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | who said anything about messing stuff up? |
| 19:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell spatials about package recompile |
| 19:58.26 | spatials | can't build the plugin with wheezy dps - I tried.:( |
| 19:58.51 | spatials | *deps |
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| 19:59.00 | debianlv | i have installed Dahdi and libpri but when i rebooted the pc can see the wifi network but can't authenticate, it keeps asking me for the password and trying to connect. Is there anyway to know which package i installed or what specific component is affecting wifi authentication/connection? Any help is greatly appreciated. |
| 19:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I guess that's a good reason why it's not compiled in in wheezy? |
| 19:59.45 | hotwings | is there any way to speed up the "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" step in booting? seems like it takes a long time. somebody said its because udev tries to populate every usb address but i dunno if theres any truth in that...? |
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| 20:02.15 | spatials | You have to rebuild the mupdf source and make changes to do it - I'm not up to that:( |
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| 20:02.46 | joshumax | Back from my trip to hell |
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| 20:03.01 | joshumax | aka the FreeBSD source repo |
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| 20:03.42 | spatials | Oh well guess it's a Deb fail on this one. |
| 20:03.44 | joshumax | richardphi: What do you mean by serial connection over usb, you mean with a usb-to-serial adapter, right? |
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| 20:04.04 | spatials | thanks |
| 20:04.19 | richardphi | no I have my arduino talking via the usb cable at 9600 baud |
| 20:04.37 | joshumax | Ah, so it's using uart then? |
| 20:04.38 | richardphi | I need my pi to save tht info to a .dat file |
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| 20:05.19 | joshumax | Did you try tailing /dev/usb* to a file? |
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| 20:06.04 | richardphi | I am able to do cat /dev/ttyACM0 and I can see that its working |
| 20:06.21 | joshumax | Okay, so what seems to be the problem? |
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| 20:06.37 | richardphi | how do in python lol |
| 20:06.47 | joshumax | richardphi: #python |
| 20:06.59 | richardphi | lol fair enough |
| 20:07.14 | joshumax | this doesn't seem debian-specific unless the python file is somehow failing in debian... |
| 20:07.24 | fathom | Hello, my CPU temperature is running between 83 to 87C, do you thing is is time to get the CPU fan cleaned? |
| 20:07.32 | joshumax | Sorry though, I only know enough py to realize I like perl better ;P |
| 20:07.36 | richardphi | the tutorial online i read said open port = 41 and it will auto go to ACM0 |
| 20:07.45 | richardphi | I thought I had something configured wrong |
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| 20:08.05 | joshumax | Did you try something like http://pyserial.sourceforge.net/? |
| 20:08.19 | richardphi | i'll look there thanks |
| 20:09.04 | joshumax | Then you could just loop through a serial.read() and have it write each byte to a file |
| 20:09.42 | joshumax | and you could stop reading when it reaches a newline of null character |
| 20:09.47 | joshumax | *or |
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| 20:10.13 | richardphi | I was following this:https://sites.google.com/site/abhishekbhardwaj13506/embedded-systems/raspberry |
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| 20:10.45 | richardphi | step 7 shows open port 41 which doesnt make sense |
| 20:11.10 | richardphi | too noobs cant handle lol |
| 20:11.19 | joshumax | well it is using pyserial |
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| 20:11.43 | joshumax | but what on earth is this guy doing...the code...my eyes...it burns |
| 20:12.01 | richardphi | yea im a bit confused myself |
| 20:12.09 | richardphi | lol |
| 20:12.11 | joshumax | Why not just store each one in a sqlite database? |
| 20:12.33 | joshumax | That would make it so much nicer |
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| 20:12.37 | richardphi | that seems like a good idea I remember reading that somewhere thanks |
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| 20:12.51 | richardphi | I am trying to build an automated beer brewing system |
| 20:13.05 | richardphi | and I want to be able to access my data via a webserver |
| 20:13.20 | richardphi | monitor temps and specific gravity that sort of thing |
| 20:13.24 | joshumax | Then have python log the data to your sql server |
| 20:13.32 | richardphi | kk thanks |
| 20:13.57 | joshumax | None of this raw file writin stuff from some creepy guy on google sites :) |
| 20:14.17 | richardphi | fair point |
| 20:14.22 | richardphi | thanks you the man |
| 20:14.46 | joshumax | Np, have fun! |
| 20:15.05 | joshumax | Brb I smell burning silicon |
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| 20:22.12 | wols | !dragnbreaker Lippman, Laura - Tess Monaghan 07 - The Last Place (v5.0).epub ::INFO:: 500.4KB |
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| 20:29.25 | Guest58158 | Hi , i have 2 graphics card on my computer , i have 1 vga and 1dvi connected of both graphic card , but xrandr detect my 2 first screen but the 2other on the other graphic card was no detected , someone have idea why , i have unpluged my crossfire , i have 2 ati radeon 5670 |
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| 20:30.10 | Guest58158 | i want to have 4 screen extend for my desktop |
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| 20:30.13 | Tau | hello. |
| 20:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, ?? |
| 20:30.29 | Tau | is there some browser that is console based and is compatible with facebook? |
| 20:30.31 | Tau | and modern pages? |
| 20:30.45 | stakewinner00 | Tau: with colors? |
| 20:30.54 | Okitain | Tau: what do you mean by console-based? |
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| 20:31.10 | Tau | like facebook etc. |
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| 20:31.59 | Tau | it would be nice if there were a tiling browser, something with the same philosophy as tiling window managers. |
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| 20:32.11 | Tau | and you didnt need to use the mouse. |
| 20:32.19 | Tau | to use it. |
| 20:32.19 | Okitain | Tau: I'm afraid modern pages need graphical renderers. |
| 20:32.44 | b0lt | modern websites require so much styling and effects just in order to perform their functions |
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| 20:32.56 | b0lt | i doubt it's feasible to translate everything to a console |
| 20:33.06 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.09 | b0lt | you could add things like websocket support to lynx, i guess |
| 20:33.34 | stakewinner00 | Tau: maybe w3m with some extensions? |
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| 20:33.46 | Okitain | Tau: so, why would you need a console-only browser? |
| 20:33.59 | stakewinner00 | Tau: like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/764624/how-can-you-use-javascript-in-terminal-for-w3m |
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| 20:35.23 | Tau | i use i3, with a console based browser i wouldnt need to use mouse at all. |
| 20:35.32 | b0lt | vimperator for firefox? |
| 20:35.33 | Tau | i would switch to desktops then use the browser with keyboard only. |
| 20:35.33 | Okitain | Tau: in that case, would you use Firefox with Vimperator? |
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| 20:36.00 | b0lt | it's a neat idea. i used it for a while. |
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| 20:36.28 | phy1729 | I find pentadactyl better than vimperator |
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| 20:37.06 | black_13 | what would you say about the /sys file system in a job interview |
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| 20:39.23 | Tau | jesus christ. this sounds amazing. |
| 20:39.24 | stakewinner00 | Tau: links2 is a graphical and minimalist web browser |
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| 20:39.27 | Tau | thank you guys. |
| 20:39.32 | stakewinner00 | but not consoled-based.. |
| 20:39.33 | Okitain | black_13: FHS doesn't specify it much. |
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| 20:39.36 | b0lt | black_13: if you're asked about that, i'm really wondering what sort of job you're interviewing for. |
| 20:39.41 | b0lt | black_13: but try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs |
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| 20:40.01 | Tau | :D |
| 20:40.26 | b0lt | best of luck, Tau |
| 20:40.30 | black_13 | i was asked an odd question in an interview |
| 20:40.44 | Okitain | black_13: Sysfs for Linux, kernel source tree in traditional unicex? |
| 20:40.58 | Okitain | *unices |
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| 20:41.25 | black_13 | i was ask if you ran a process/exec but the deleted the exec |
| 20:41.31 | black_13 | but ti was still running |
| 20:41.47 | black_13 | could you recover the binary from the filesystem |
| 20:41.54 | b0lt | in most cases, yes |
| 20:42.01 | b0lt | find the file descriptor for the process in /proc |
| 20:42.15 | black_13 | that is what the interviewer said |
| 20:42.27 | b0lt | but why would you be doing that in the first place? if it's a regular occurence, you're just doing things wrong |
| 20:42.32 | b0lt | if it's a rare one, there's google |
| 20:42.52 | black_13 | they interviewer wanted to know how much i knew about linux |
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| 20:43.16 | black_13 | some days i think interviews want to tell you how much they know |
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| 20:44.02 | b0lt | that's the problem with such questions. i know this, because i once had to do it. if i didn't have to do it, i wouldn't know, but i'd know how to find out. |
| 20:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | black_13, and you didn't answer "it may be possible, but I will have backups, so why would I need it"? |
| 20:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | black_13, anyway, this is more for chatter in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:45.03 | black_13 | understood sorry to get off topic |
| 20:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
| 20:45.22 | black_13 | hey is there debian beagle bone channel |
| 20:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | black_13, you might join #debian-offtopic, though... and rant on about job interviews :D |
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| 20:47.14 | iio7 | I have just seen the results on the vote the 19th regarding the init system. What does the "General Resolution is not required" mean? |
| 20:49.02 | iio7 | Ah, found an explanation somewhere "This means, essentially, it will be up to individual packagers and upstream developers to decide whether to depend on one specific init implementation.". |
| 20:49.08 | iio7 | Interesting. |
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| 20:56.27 | likecolacola | Hey... any "best" approach on working with different keyboard languages?, i find myself in need of a reliable easy way of mixing between English and Spanish keyboards for accents and other related stuff.. |
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| 20:57.19 | likecolacola | i am using debian stable.. |
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| 20:58.49 | Okitain | likecolacola: well, there is a setting that allows you to only switch to Spanish as long as you hold a button. |
| 20:59.09 | Okitain | likecolacola: but generally, look into keyboard settings and explore. |
| 20:59.46 | albru123 | I'm trying to run vncserver as a service, so I used vncserver init.d script I found on the internet. But when I run update-rc.d, I get this warning: http://hastebin.com/epodicawey.sql ... I'm not sure if it's important. |
| 20:59.49 | Guest58158 | Hi , i have 2 graphics card on my computer , i have 1 vga and 1dvi connected of both graphic card , but xrandr detect my 2 first screen but the 2other on the other graphic card was no detected , someone have idea why , i have unpluged my crossfire , i have 2 ati radeon 5670 ,i want to have 4 screen extend for my desktop |
| 21:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | likecolacola, my gnome-shell taskbar here has a button that lets me switch between "de" and "en" (not that I really need it much) |
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| 21:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course I cannot remember if/what I configured for that |
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| 21:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 21:05.02 | likecolacola | CutMeOwnThroat, Okitain thanks, i am exploring |
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| 21:06.09 | p3rror | how to reset all rules |
| 21:06.12 | p3rror | using iptables |
| 21:06.27 | p3rror | I run iptables -F and I lost my ssh connection |
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| 21:06.44 | Prezident | Oh! |
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| 21:09.16 | fUNKIAM` | stop iptables ;) p3rror if u on debian/ubuntu |
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| 21:09.32 | likecolacola | about desktops..... i am interested in LXCD because my laptop is old |
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| 21:09.48 | likecolacola | i am currently using gnome classic... any though about changing it? |
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| 21:10.13 | likecolacola | LXDE i meant |
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| 21:10.59 | somiaj | you can install both side by side if you have enough hd space, and test out lxde before you make your decision |
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| 21:11.08 | somiaj | or check out the lxde live image from live.debian.net |
| 21:12.05 | likecolacola | somiaj, thanks |
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| 21:12.40 | jakesyl_ | hey is htere any way to keep a log of top activity |
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| 21:14.04 | p3rror | fUNKIAM` how to get rulenum |
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| 21:30.33 | tommyF | you would need to set up the interfaces on each computer for static ? or use /etc/hosts if that is what you mean? |
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| 21:30.55 | Aybbtus | hi my computer was on sudpend but when I turned it on had no screen nor mouse |
| 21:31.04 | Aybbtus | any help? |
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| 21:32.19 | huglester | guys, is there a possibility to serve one repo threw SSH and HTTPS ? |
| 21:32.37 | p3rror | root@prod:~# service mysql stop |
| 21:32.38 | p3rror | stop: Unknown instance: |
| 21:32.44 | p3rror | why I get unknown instance |
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| 21:33.07 | huglester | I have issue now, when I do composer install, it tries to install package via https but it has some ssh key, and it fails. but this ssh is used for this server, for few repos only |
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| 21:35.31 | Aybbtus | could someone help |
| 21:36.19 | likecolacola | Hey... on the same line, my /etc/default/keyboard only has "us" language layout... how do i download another one, like for example Spanish? |
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| 21:41.01 | likecolacola | my debian has only US language :P, do i have to download something in order to use ES languaeg? |
| 21:41.03 | likecolacola | language |
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| 22:00.13 | likecolacola | Hey... i have a problem, i modified /etc/default/keyboard so i could switch keyboard layouts using alt-shift and it works great |
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| 22:00.33 | likecolacola | but the terminal does not recognize the Spanish keys |
| 22:00.43 | likecolacola | whenever i type a Spanish key it shows a ? |
| 22:01.25 | likecolacola | the switching thing is for filling databases so, it's important that the terminal recognize these characters |
| 22:01.28 | tommyF | locale locale |
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| 22:01.36 | likecolacola | i will google it :P |
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| 22:01.51 | tommyF | type locale in a root terminal |
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| 22:09.13 | likecolacola | tommyF, thanks |
| 22:09.38 | likecolacola | i am now googling so i can find out how to enable multi language terminal if there's such thing hehe |
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| 22:10.48 | tommyF | did you choose you language as spanish on install? |
| 22:12.19 | likecolacola | tommyF, it was long ago.. i was using Gnome desktop in English, then i switched to XLDE today and the desktop menu was in Spanish all from a sudden |
| 22:12.32 | likecolacola | but then if i right click the bar, it's in English and the terminal is also in English |
| 22:13.03 | stakewinner00 | is sysvinit faster than systemd? |
| 22:13.04 | likecolacola | now i need to work with databases which content is in Spanish and i am in need for a multi-language terminal |
| 22:13.33 | likecolacola | but i usually move around in English |
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| 22:20.49 | abrotman | stakewinner00: test them and findout |
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| 22:21.52 | stakewinner00 | abrotman: before make changes I prefer to know what I'm doing, I find information about the boot time of OpenRC vs systemd, but not about sysvinit |
| 22:22.16 | stakewinner00 | found* |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | stakewinner00: why are you changing? |
| 22:22.55 | likecolacola | i already know how to change the locale language... i wonder if i can set it to recognize both, English and Spanish so that i don't have to change locale everytime i switch keyboard layout |
| 22:23.29 | stakewinner00 | because the configuration of sysvinit are more accessible I think |
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| 22:24.03 | abrotman | you think? "know what I'm doing" |
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| 22:25.44 | teraflops | likecolacola: you can do it by hand on the console as in `setxkbmap es` |
| 22:26.12 | stakewinner00 | abrotman: for this reason I come to ask xD |
| 22:26.24 | teraflops | likecolacola: also you can use whatever tolls tour DE provides for switching between keymaps |
| 22:26.35 | teraflops | tool* |
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| 22:27.41 | likecolacola | teraflops, i can change the keyboard layout with alt-shift, the problem now is that the terminal does not recognize Spanish characters |
| 22:27.55 | teraflops | likecolacola: what terminal? |
| 22:28.01 | teraflops | x11? |
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| 22:29.17 | likecolacola | teraflops, the command line, bash |
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| 22:29.21 | likecolacola | sorry... i am a novice |
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| 22:30.10 | teraflops | likecolacola: i dont know what you did for that alt-shitf stuff |
| 22:30.42 | likecolacola | i changed the /etc/default/keyboard |
| 22:31.16 | likecolacola | XKBLAYOUT="us, es"(added es) |
| 22:31.24 | likecolacola | then modified XKBOPTIONS="" |
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| 22:31.39 | likecolacola | XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
| 22:32.03 | likecolacola | then |
| 22:32.14 | likecolacola | udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change |
| 22:32.25 | likecolacola | so i don't need to reboot the system |
| 22:33.07 | likecolacola | and there it's, i can now switch ññññññ and go back to English but whenever i write a Spanish only character like ñ it displays an ? |
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| 22:34.49 | dawiba | I have a su/sudo question. I'm the only user of this computer and would have to make my user a member of sudo group anyway. Is su necessary in my case? |
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| 22:35.15 | OnkelTem | Hi all. How to make 'beep' to work via sound card? |
| 22:35.15 | tommyF | you got the right utf8? font? |
| 22:35.38 | teraflops | OnkelTem: try on alsamixer, press f6 |
| 22:35.49 | tommyF | dawiba: make your root user and don't mess with su/sudo |
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| 22:37.06 | OnkelTem | teraflops: should I blacklist pcspkr? |
| 22:37.43 | dawiba | tommyF : Not sure I follow. When I installed, I didn't set a root password, understanding this would let me use sudo by default. Should I create root & password? |
| 22:37.50 | teraflops | OnkelTem: afaik nop, i think it works out of the box |
| 22:38.19 | _Sayf | dawiba: it's better yes ;) |
| 22:38.22 | teraflops | just enable beep pressin space and raise the volume at your liking |
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| 22:38.44 | _Sayf | dawiba: for the future |
| 22:38.45 | OnkelTem | teraflops: if it were, I wouldn't ask :) I enabled every possible thing in alsamixer, but beep still silent |
| 22:39.46 | tommyF | dawiba: yes |
| 22:40.11 | tommyF | dawiba: unless all the other users on the computer vote against you having/being root |
| 22:40.17 | OnkelTem | I see i have 'snd-pcsp' blacklisted. Cound't be the causer? Gonna try |
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| 22:41.14 | dawiba | tommyF: I am the only user, so thought using sudo would be fine. I'll go and see how to add root and password |
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| 22:42.17 | teraflops | OnkelTem: only the beep one http://imgur.com/9LinxFS |
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| 22:43.16 | dawiba | tommyF: Okay. Seems to be as simple as "sudo passwd root" to re-enable the root account. Is that correct? |
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| 22:43.35 | tommyF | yes |
| 22:43.46 | dawiba | tommyF: Thanks |
| 22:44.28 | OnkelTem | teraflops: thanks, I'll retry |
| 22:44.54 | teraflops | OnkelTem: pree f6 and select your current sound card |
| 22:44.58 | teraflops | press* |
| 22:45.30 | OnkelTem | teraflops: yeah, it is selected (i have only one) |
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| 22:46.40 | un214 | ok so somebody finally posted the details of my problem more or less exactly: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/152283/need-help-with-enabling-3d-acceleration-in-debian-stable |
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| 22:48.05 | dawiba | Now that root is restored, should I remove myself from the sudo group? |
| 22:48.16 | un214 | the only reasonable advice I've been seeing is trying to upgrade to jessie |
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| 22:48.39 | OnkelTem | teraflops: no, still no sound. Strange. speaker-test works. |
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| 22:49.57 | teraflops | OnkelTem: and the module is not blacklisted? |
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| 22:50.34 | teraflops | i think the mod name is pcspkr |
| 22:52.38 | un214 | are upgrade instructions to jessie available? |
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| 22:52.48 | un214 | I'm thinking of backing up / then upgrading to jessie |
| 22:52.55 | owen1 | How to turn my End key into left mouse click? I tried xbindkeys - "b:1" m:0x0 + c:115 but it's not doing anything. any ideas? |
| 22:53.18 | OnkelTem | teraflops: would you check - do you have it loaded? |
| 22:53.40 | teraflops | yep the module is loaded here |
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| 22:55.08 | likecolacola | teraflops, halp... |
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| 22:55.18 | un214 | !jessie |
| 22:55.18 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 22:55.59 | teraflops | likecolacola: hola |
| 22:55.59 | OnkelTem | teraflops: wait a sec, your beep works via pc speaker or sound card? |
| 22:56.18 | abrotman | un214: you can msg the bot |
| 22:56.30 | un214 | Yeah I remembered a bit late |
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| 22:57.12 | teraflops | OnkelTem: heh let me try to make sure |
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| 22:57.28 | likecolacola | teraflops, xd i am suffering :P, my terminal does not recognize spanish characters, they are displayed as '?'... i have tried using locale -a but there's no Spanish alternative there, i tried locale-gen es_ES.utf-8 and it does not work |
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| 22:57.49 | likecolacola | i tried dpk-reconfigure locales but no sign of Spanish xd |
| 22:57.50 | OnkelTem | teraflops: I think they are so different that it should be clear :) PC Speaker sound is ugly |
| 22:58.13 | teraflops | likecolacola: sorry but i do not know what are the reasons for dealing with udev for that issue |
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| 22:58.27 | OnkelTem | Let me rephrase my initial question: how to 'beep' without PC Speakers? |
| 22:58.51 | un214 | !tum |
| 22:58.52 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 22:58.53 | teraflops | I just use setxkbmap when I want to change the layout on X11 also no reboot needed at all |
| 22:58.58 | un214 | can somebody explain this one |
| 22:59.00 | un214 | I don't get it |
| 22:59.00 | ssh__ | hi, how to install manpages without the related the packages? |
| 22:59.09 | OnkelTem | I want echo -e '\a' to work either for example |
| 22:59.36 | abrotman | un214: what about it? what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:59.39 | likecolacola | teraflops, https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE , i am not into that anymore... my problem now is locale specific xd |
| 22:59.58 | un214 | trying to plan upgrade to jessie as it seems it's the only way I'm going to get drivers |
| 23:00.06 | ssh__ | and why is my username ssh__? |
| 23:00.29 | un214 | I can't figure out which package to manually backport with apt-source -b |
| 23:00.33 | abrotman | un214: 'tum' has nothing to do with that |
| 23:00.37 | abrotman | nor does backporting |
| 23:00.57 | un214 | dpkg bot said to see it on the jessie upgrade instructions |
| 23:00.58 | dpkg | un214: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 23:02.33 | teraflops | OnkelTem: oh lord .. it sounds by my speakers/headsets I can assure that :P |
| 23:03.20 | OnkelTem | teraflops: we just checked :) And this is what I want to achieve. But still can't |
| 23:03.25 | teraflops | OnkelTem: install "beep" go to a tty and run beep |
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| 23:03.35 | OnkelTem | teraflops: sure I did it! |
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| 23:03.54 | teraflops | oh OnkelTem then im out of ideas |
| 23:03.58 | teraflops | srry |
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| 23:04.14 | OnkelTem | thanks anyway. I'm on #alsa now, hoping |
| 23:04.29 | teraflops | np OnkelTem and good luck |
| 23:04.29 | faekjarz | ok, let's retry with thr right username. How to install manpages without installing the related package? E.g. "man tcpdump" MUST work, but tcpdump is not required to be installed. |
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| 23:06.27 | teraflops | likecolacola: may be reverting the changes you did, running dpkg-reconfigure locales and rebooting might help |
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| 23:07.13 | likecolacola | teraflops, let's say you want your terminal to recognize Spanish characters, what would you do? |
| 23:07.46 | teraflops | likecolacola: please be more accurate, tty or virtual console? |
| 23:08.32 | teraflops | likecolacola: im spanish so I really do that ;) |
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| 23:09.31 | likecolacola | teraflops, cool, we both from Spain xD, i meant tty |
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| 23:11.18 | teraflops | likecolacola: `dpkg-reconfigure locales` then |
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| 23:50.16 | bl4ckdu5t | What's a good tool to take screen shots on dbian besides ksnapshot |
| 23:50.39 | lyonsb | scrot? |
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| 23:50.42 | bl4ckdu5t | something that already has options like arrows to point and label parts of screen shot |
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| 23:51.13 | bl4ckdu5t | I'll check out scrot. Thanks lyonsb |
| 23:52.22 | bl4ckdu5t | scrot seem like command line util. I don't think it'll have such feature |
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| 23:53.29 | musca | shutter |
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| 23:55.53 | lyonsb | yes, I did not know the features you wanted when you asked. gimp is good for drawing things too. |
| 23:57.01 | bl4ckdu5t | ok I'll try shutter. It's stressful having to switch between two programs to achieve a particular task |
| 23:58.00 | bl4ckdu5t | it's why I don''t want to always use gimp |
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