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| 00:05.20 | teraflops | ^ |
| 00:05.28 | teraflops | weird |
| 00:06.00 | Brigo | teraflops, what? |
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| 00:06.30 | teraflops | Brigo: the above outfil and Maryanne messages |
| 00:07.02 | Brigo | outfil? |
| 00:07.30 | abrotman | ignore it, it's called spam |
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| 00:08.16 | Brigo | i have checked it, it is a weird spam, yes, teraflops :) wrong link? ;D |
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| 00:08.58 | sotto | Do you set irssi themes by replacing the config file in ~/.irssi or do you save a new .theme file in /usr/share/irssi/themes? |
| 00:10.31 | teraflops | Brigo: you checked? .. youre a brave man sir |
| 00:11.11 | Brigo | teraflops, you said weird first! :D |
| 00:11.15 | teraflops | heh |
| 00:11.40 | tommyF_ | Brigo: do you go for nigerian emails too? |
| 00:11.54 | Brigo | no yet! :D |
| 00:12.13 | teraflops | tommyF_: oh the nigerian princess ones are awesome |
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| 00:12.59 | tommyF_ | hmmm i must update my profile or something i only get the nigerian prince ones <-- jealous of teraflops |
| 00:13.09 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:38.07 | homecable | any one use openvz ? |
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| 00:40.08 | tommyF | homecable: maybe just ask your *real* question? ;) |
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| 00:40.32 | homecable | is it hard to setup ? |
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| 00:41.10 | tommyF | for someone asking 'if it is hard to setup' or for someone who has set it up already? |
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| 00:41.31 | homecable | has any one got it up and running ? |
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| 00:42.46 | tommyF | no body ever has that is why we want you to be the first |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | homecable: probably want to use LXC now |
| 00:43.30 | homecable | ah ok |
| 00:44.02 | homecable | i have my debian box running as my router and i want to have a vps on the same bix |
| 00:44.07 | homecable | thats why i ask |
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| 00:46.27 | PianoQuark | openvpn? |
| 00:46.32 | PianoQuark | been working well for me |
| 00:46.57 | PianoQuark | just wish I could run the open access server for easy management |
| 00:47.09 | PianoQuark | (rather than having to ssh to run new profiles |
| 00:47.10 | PianoQuark | ) |
| 00:47.30 | tommyF | openvpn is not openvz |
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| 00:48.28 | teraflops | homecable: yo can achieve that in several ways, also, it has to be openvz? |
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| 00:49.08 | homecable | teraflops it doesnt have to be openvz just something stable |
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| 00:51.22 | teraflops | homecable: LXC is a good choice i think, also how many containers are you planning to run? |
| 00:51.52 | homecable | 1 |
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| 00:54.04 | tommyF | 1 ? |
| 00:54.10 | teraflops | heh 1 |
| 00:55.09 | teraflops | homecable: give a try to qemu then |
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| 00:55.33 | teraflops | or vbox |
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| 00:58.04 | homecable | any one know what hardware is needed for 100mbits up / down ? |
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| 00:58.29 | abrotman | hardware? |
| 00:59.15 | tommyF | if you are talking ethernet cards and with all the false advertising the mfg do - a 1GBit ethernet would do it |
| 00:59.19 | homecable | yeah so i can build a small linux router |
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| 01:00.02 | hlegius | Hi guys! I'm about to configure a Ruby environment for production on a Debian. As far as I searched my best shot could be nginx + pushion passenger. Any tips? |
| 01:00.03 | homecable | im using a Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 847 @ 1.10GHz 4 gigs of ram box atm |
| 01:00.45 | homecable | how much ram for 100mbit routing |
| 01:01.08 | tommyF | homecable: depends on how bit your bits are ;) |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | homecable: that'll be fine |
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| 01:03.49 | teraflops | homecable: if your goal is to learn, you can get fun trying captive portals, wifi-hostpot, and so on ... |
| 01:04.28 | homecable | if i wanted to add a wifi radio for wifi would card should i get ? |
| 01:05.34 | tommyF | homecable: you just set off my troll meter ( i myself set my own meter off and hour ago) |
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| 01:06.59 | homecable | id like to add wifi on my router |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | homecable: so go use google to find a supported device for what you want to do |
| 01:07.12 | homecable | so what wifi card do i need |
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| 01:07.40 | abrotman | homecable: Please do some research on your own, the questions you're asking are easily answered |
| 01:07.44 | kevc | does anyone know why mounting an lvm partition would fail when at the initramfs prompt? |
| 01:08.05 | tommyF | kevc are you using the 'real' right name? |
| 01:08.17 | kevc | the logical volumes are all showing up usinv lvdisplay (lvm on software raid) but mounting them shows no such file or directory |
| 01:08.39 | tommyF | check what they really are in grub??? |
| 01:08.40 | kevc | tommyF: I think so? mounting via the dev mapper entries which were created using vgchange -ay |
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| 01:10.25 | kevc | aha! I passed -t ext4 and it solved it |
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| 01:11.52 | tommyF | ? really |
| 01:11.54 | tommyF | nice |
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| 01:14.18 | owen1 | # when End is pressed, click on mouse button 1 |
| 01:14.20 | owen1 | "b:1" |
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| 01:14.50 | owen1 | (sorry about the above) |
| 01:14.52 | owen1 | how to listen to the relase of the End key inside a bash script? maybe something like while xinput --query-state 5 | grep -Flq 'button[9]=up' ? i don't know what number should i put instead of 9. |
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| 01:48.24 | rald | hello, how can i permanently change terminal color to white on black? |
| 01:49.23 | rald | im using Debian 7 and JWM window manager |
| 01:50.16 | Simotek-Work- | which terminal emulator |
| 01:50.21 | ectospasm | rald: wouldn't that depend on your terminal emulator? |
| 01:50.46 | Simotek-Work- | in terminology you can set a background picture with tybg "Path/to/Picture" |
| 01:51.13 | Simotek-Work- | i have scripts to change the background as i ssh in and out of machines |
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| 01:53.44 | woshty | ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
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| 02:33.33 | Jaded-J | Hi, I'm running a server with 2GB of RAM and a dual core. Should I use version 6 or 7 of Debian? |
| 02:33.42 | Jaded-J | And should I also use 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 02:33.50 | dvs | Jaded-J: Version 6 is no longer supported |
| 02:33.53 | Jaded-J | I'm planning on running Apache |
| 02:34.12 | Jaded-J | Isn't it supported via security updates? |
| 02:34.30 | dvs | eactly |
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| 02:34.37 | dvs | exactly |
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| 02:42.52 | Guest45516 | hiii |
| 02:43.49 | Guest45516 | speaks guys I have a problem updating this package, I can not isntalar it any suggestions |
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| 02:44.03 | abrotman | we need details |
| 02:44.06 | Guest45516 | [root@sky diego]# yum update kernel |
| 02:44.07 | Guest45516 | Plugins carregados: langpacks, refresh-packagekit |
| 02:44.07 | Guest45516 | No packages marked for update |
| 02:44.08 | dvs | ,find this package |
| 02:44.16 | judd | Search for this in wheezy/i386: [truncated] chiark-backup: usr/bin/backup-whatsthis; libqt4-dev: usr/include/qt4/Qt3Support/Q3WhatsThis, usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QWhatsThis; hiki: usr/share/hiki/data/backup/.deletethis; epic4-script-lice: usr/share/epic4/lice/pics/sitonthis; epic5-script-lice: usr/share/epic5/lice5/pics/sitonthis; chameleon-cursor-theme: usr/share/icons/Chameleon-Anthracite- |
| 02:44.17 | judd | Large/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-Anthracite-Regular/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-Anthracite-Small/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-DarkSkyBlue-Large/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-DarkSkyBlue-Regular/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-DarkSkyBlue-Small/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons/Chameleon-Pearl-Large/cursors/whats_this, usr/share/icons (1 more message) |
| 02:44.26 | Guest45516 | [root@sky diego]# yum install audacious-plugins-freeworld |
| 02:44.27 | Guest45516 | Plugins carregados: langpacks, refresh-packagekit |
| 02:44.27 | Guest45516 | Nenhum pacote audacious-plugins-freeworld disponÃvel. |
| 02:44.27 | Guest45516 | Error: Nada a ser feito |
| 02:44.27 | Guest45516 | [root@sky diego]# |
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| 02:46.15 | Guest45516 | Hii |
| 02:46.17 | Guest45516 | Sorry |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | Guest45516: this channel doens't support CentOS |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | or RHEL, or whatever that is .. |
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| 02:48.03 | Guest45516 | Sorry |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | Guest45516: try ##linux |
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| 02:48.29 | tiny | vim --version: -python -python3 |
| 02:48.42 | Guest45516 | are the same kernel based systems could help |
| 02:48.43 | tiny | useless |
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| 02:48.48 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@177.44.97.161] by abrotman |
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| 02:48.56 | abrotman | Guest45516: we don't support RPM-based systems. try ##linux, thank you |
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| 02:50.59 | tiny | I came in to bitch and rant but it's pointless... |
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| 02:52.05 | abrotman | He didn't do a very good job |
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| 02:58.07 | OSVG | rar systemd omgwtfbbq |
| 02:58.21 | OSVG | There. |
| 02:58.28 | OSVG | Now there's a tiny amount of bitching. |
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| 03:08.01 | Jaded-J | Hi. |
| 03:08.15 | Jaded-J | IF I want to learn about debian security, where do I go? |
| 03:08.23 | abrotman | which type? |
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| 03:12.44 | liqu|d | hey im trying to install irssi on debian 7 and its unable to find the package |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | liqu|d: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 03:14.12 | liqu|d | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 03:14.15 | liqu|d | just that |
| 03:14.21 | liqu|d | plus the deb-src |
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| 03:14.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell liqu|d about wheezy sources.list |
| 03:16.51 | liqu|d | its reading the cdrom deb lol |
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| 03:21.37 | srged | where could I ask info about openvpn ? |
| 03:21.49 | abrotman | probably in the openvpn channel? |
| 03:22.04 | srged | abrotman: ok thx |
| 03:22.05 | dvs | too obvious |
| 03:22.07 | OSVG | You can ask about it anywhere. |
| 03:22.13 | OSVG | But you'll probably only get an answer there. |
| 03:22.54 | liqu|d | thanks abrotman :) |
| 03:23.06 | abrotman | liqu|d: all sorted? |
| 03:23.16 | liqu|d | ya i just added the first one it listed and im good to go :) |
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| 03:25.32 | srged | I'm using openvpn in linux and I don't like enetering the user/pass each time i connect. is there any way to make it automatic? |
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| 03:34.14 | SirCmpwn | I'm having some issues with bind9 not falling back to 8.8.8.8 |
| 03:34.55 | SirCmpwn | I put this into my named.conf.options to no avail: https://gist.github.com/SirCmpwn/2b0edabc961358f6cc7c |
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| 03:44.31 | SirCmpwn | turns out it was a dnssec issue, got it fixed |
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| 04:24.50 | tortib | Hello everyone. Does someone mind taking a bit of time to help me with IPv6? I'm using tunnelbroker.net and I have setup a tunnel before, but for some reason it isn't working on this debian server. My eth0 has ipv6 addresses assigned, he-ipv6 interface has 2001...::2 assigned my default gateway is 2001...::1 and I still can't ping google.com with ping6. |
| 04:25.05 | tortib | I'm using the configuration straight from tunnelbroker.net |
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| 04:29.59 | auscompgeek | tortib: try tracerouting google.com |
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| 04:30.40 | tortib | auscompgeek: it times out at the first hop |
| 04:30.53 | auscompgeek | tortib: what's the first hop though? |
| 04:30.57 | tortib | * * * |
| 04:31.09 | auscompgeek | oh. |
| 04:31.14 | OSVG | what's the error from ping6? |
| 04:31.20 | tortib | no error just sits there |
| 04:31.24 | OSVG | Sounds like you aren't talking to your default gateway. |
| 04:31.29 | tortib | yeah |
| 04:31.30 | tortib | idk y |
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| 04:32.28 | auscompgeek | yeah. what's the first couple of lines from `ip -6 route`? |
| 04:32.52 | auscompgeek | (and/or the default route) |
| 04:33.20 | tortib | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9208052/ |
| 04:33.44 | auscompgeek | that works too :P |
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| 04:33.55 | tortib | ;) |
| 04:34.52 | auscompgeek | may I ask why you have both an ipv6 tunnel and native ipv6 set up? |
| 04:35.15 | tortib | I don't know? |
| 04:35.23 | tortib | what do you mean? |
| 04:35.43 | auscompgeek | you have ipv6 on eth0, so why are you setting up a tunnel as well? |
| 04:35.59 | tortib | the tunnel ips are on eth0 |
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| 04:39.04 | tortib | auscompgeek: ? :( |
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| 04:39.32 | tortib | brb |
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| 04:46.55 | brentaarnold | exit |
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| 04:49.30 | toni | i killed my windows, now iam on Debian |
| 04:49.40 | toni | i hope i not regrett it |
| 04:49.44 | tortib | back |
| 04:49.47 | tortib | auscompgeek: don't leave me. :( |
| 04:50.11 | vook | I've got a kernel kvm issue (and #kvm is a bit quiet). I installed a new system with bridged networking on a 10.x/16 network. All systems on the LAN are on the same net, including the VM. The domU and the domO cannot communicate very well, but the dom0 and the other systems can. Also, the a VPN client cannot communicate with the dom0, but can with all other 10.x/16 machines. Any ideas? |
| 04:51.19 | vook | I followed some procedure to get the dom0 and domU communicating by creating a macvlan interface on the domU, and it sort of works, but then there are intermittent failures. |
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| 04:53.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 04:57.45 | babbler | something seems wrong with the font used for xchat... it[s showing mostly lowercase as, and spaces for most everything else...how can I reset the font, or see what's wron g with it? |
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| 05:03.16 | sotto | babbler: use irssi |
| 05:04.00 | AR45 | sotto: why? |
| 05:04.37 | vook | weird now it's working. It's almost more annoying when something magically fixes itself - it's sure to cause problems again. |
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| 05:06.06 | aName_ | Hey, is there a graphical daemon manager I can use? I want something like services.msc on Windows, does that exist, or am I thinking about this all wrong? |
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| 05:12.36 | vook | aName: chkconfig is the answer |
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| 05:13.02 | vook | there may be something gui based, but it would probably be clunky and inconsistant |
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| 05:13.31 | aName | vook, That tells me what's on and off, but I need to stop and then restart something and fuck if I know the command, and their support docs just say to do it like I already know how |
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| 05:14.10 | vook | just do "service <name of service> stop/start/restart" |
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| 05:14.25 | aName | Ah, OK, that works. =p |
| 05:14.26 | tortib | how do I add ipv6 addresses to /etc/network/interfaces ? Is there a manual for it? |
| 05:14.33 | tortib | Not a tunnel, native ipv6 |
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| 05:15.24 | aName | vook, Perfect, thanks. |
| 05:15.43 | aName | vook, A noob question, I know, but hey. |
| 05:15.47 | vook | np |
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| 05:19.36 | babbler | ar45, I'd like to fix this, it could be symptomatic of other problems ... even if I completely quit and start it again, the problem still shows up |
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| 05:20.05 | vook | babbler: so what about aName's nick - is it all lowercase? |
| 05:20.51 | aName | Well hell, openfire is being stupid. Apparently I have to manually write my admin password to the database or something. |
| 05:21.28 | babbler | I can'[t tell... it's probably appears something like "a " |
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| 05:21.57 | babbler | tovook |
| 05:22.54 | babbler | I'm here via webchat, totally diferent client |
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| 05:23.21 | aName | It's just ordinary ASCII, it's nothing special. I used to go by much_longer_username, but people complained. |
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| 05:23.55 | vook | I don't use xchat, but I'm guessing you can change the font. If not in the client, in the window-manager. You probably just need to set it to some courier based fixed-width font. |
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| 05:24.50 | babbler | I'm running kde, how can I select fonts in that? |
| 05:25.04 | vook | ya I dunno about kde. |
| 05:25.29 | vook | I haven't used it since they instituted the bouncing K |
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| 05:25.45 | babbler | btw nothing else (other than the network selector box, and all the menus of xchat are affected |
| 05:26.05 | vook | babbler: did you get xchat from the repos or via some other method? |
| 05:26.30 | babbler | from the repos... I also purged and reinstalled it |
| 05:26.37 | babbler | no change |
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| 05:27.50 | vook | I also seem to recall xchat using gtk. That's probably your issue. If you have gnome installed, load up that WM, set up your xchat, and then go back into kde |
| 05:27.50 | AR45 | whats kde? |
| 05:28.10 | vook | gnome or xfce |
| 05:29.05 | AR45 | gnome? the benchmarking software? |
| 05:29.32 | vook | heh, the Windows 8 clone |
| 05:29.51 | babbler | yeah yeah, laff it up |
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| 05:30.21 | tortib | what's the proper syntax to add an ipv6 address? |
| 05:30.29 | tortib | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration isn't working |
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| 05:30.47 | vook | babbler: seriously - your KDE font settings will not affect a client compiled for gtk |
| 05:31.11 | babbler | oic |
| 05:32.04 | AR45 | dpkg ipv6 |
| 05:32.04 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 05:32.22 | hipocresia | my clementine does not output audio to speaker or headphone, where can i configure it ? |
| 05:32.46 | tortib | AR45: I read the wiki...address <ipv6 address> netmask 64 isn't working |
| 05:32.46 | AR45 | babbler: post a screenshot |
| 05:32.53 | babbler | how do I see the deps of xchat? maybe I'll purge/reinstall all those, |
| 05:33.10 | tortib | ya know what it's okay I'll just use a script |
| 05:33.17 | tortib | tired of dealing with these config scripts that don't work |
| 05:33.22 | AR45 | babbler: I doubt that'll fix the problem. |
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| 05:34.01 | babbler | it's worth a shot |
| 05:34.18 | babbler | at least it;s worth looking at the deps |
| 05:34.22 | AR45 | tortib: which version of debian? |
| 05:34.29 | tortib | 7 |
| 05:34.48 | babbler | you mean me? wheezy |
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| 05:35.27 | AR45 | tortib: here take a look at this http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/ |
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| 05:36.05 | tortib | AR45: too late I made a script for if-up.d and added the ips manually with the script |
| 05:36.09 | babbler | perhaps it'd be useful to know what he wants to add an address to |
| 05:36.13 | tortib | not dealing with /etc/network/interfaces it's a load of garbage |
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| 05:36.40 | AR45 | tortib: good for you but this guide provides a lot of valuable information and I suggest you read it still |
| 05:36.58 | babbler | tortib, it's what debian started with |
| 05:37.24 | babbler | so it's a -stable- load of garbage |
| 05:37.56 | babbler | also it's what ifupdown is part of |
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| 05:39.30 | AR45 | babbler how long have you been using debian? |
| 05:39.50 | AR45 | tortib: you too... how long? |
| 05:39.58 | babbler | since approx bo |
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| 05:42.25 | AR45 | body odour? |
| 05:42.43 | babbler | once I watched a debian update itself from a.out libs to elf |
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| 05:43.18 | AR45 | ah you lost me.. you must be one of the veterans |
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| 05:43.57 | AR45 | I'm slowly learning more and more as time goes by |
| 05:44.13 | babbler | yeah, pretty much... |
| 05:44.39 | babbler | I just want the thing to work :) |
| 05:44.49 | tortib | AR45: I've used it off and on for about a total of 5 years |
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| 05:45.17 | AR45 | tortib: I'm in no position to give you any advice then. |
| 05:45.21 | babbler | !codenames |
| 05:45.21 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames |
| 05:45.59 | tortib | AR45: I've been using FreeBSD & Linux for about a total of 11 years. |
| 05:46.06 | babbler | I remember why there is no debian-1.0, you can blame infomagic CDs for that |
| 05:46.14 | tortib | AR45: I now use OS X as my desktop and linux/BSD as my servers |
| 05:47.06 | babbler | so I've been around before bo |
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| 05:51.09 | AR45 | I want a debian cd ;p |
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| 05:53.49 | babbler | the images are probably still downloadable.... I dunno if they dropped cd images for dvd images |
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| 06:09.46 | AR45 | !kernel |
| 06:10.33 | AR45 | babbler could you suggest some readings to bring a new debian user up to speed |
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| 06:11.01 | AR45 | babbler I would like to grasp debian |
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| 06:33.20 | b0lt | AR45: https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 06:33.42 | b0lt | AR45: or just google "debian new user guide" or similar. There are lots of writeups of various quality. |
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| 06:43.18 | Sonderblade | is it possible/safe to disable dbus-daemon in debian 7? |
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| 06:48.43 | tortib | What's the kernel image called in apt? |
| 06:48.44 | noobix | sonder, i think gnome uses it.. |
| 06:49.07 | noobix | tortib, linux and tab it |
| 06:49.27 | tortib | tab doesn't appear to be working. |
| 06:49.58 | tortib | I found linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 ; but that seems pretty old |
| 06:50.11 | Sonderblade | noobix: ah ok, but this is for a server |
| 06:51.25 | noobix | tortib, did you aptitude update? |
| 06:51.57 | noobix | sondet, text console only? you wont need dbus i say |
| 06:52.04 | somiaj | tortib: debian wheezy uses a stable 3.2 kernel version and will use that version. It is fully patchedw ith security patches and has some new hardware backported to it. |
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| 07:01.24 | babbler | judd depends xchat |
| 07:01.25 | judd | Package xchat in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libperl5.14 (>= 5.14.2), libsexy2 (>= 0.1.8), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), |
| 07:01.26 | judd | xchat-common (= 2.8.8-7.1). |
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| 07:23.26 | tortib | somiaj: Thanks, I checked kernel.org and saw that 3.2 had longterm support as well so I just went with that. |
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| 07:27.43 | willemb | Hi guys. what is up with cve-2014-3710 |
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| 07:33.15 | surf | hi guys when scrolling a page in iceweasel I can see some "horizontal line", like microlag in the middle of the page which is really affecting my eye. I am running an hd4400 card. Should I try to change video driver or smt? |
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| 07:53.09 | ag4ve__ | how do i get the epoch of a program's start time? |
| 07:53.56 | ag4ve__ | hmmm, i was working with this: ps -p $(pgrep htop) -o start= |
| 07:54.18 | ag4ve__ | but, i'm now thinking stat of something in /proc/$$ might be better.... |
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| 07:58.58 | ag4ve__ | yep, ps -p $(pgrep htop) -o start= |
| 07:59.02 | ag4ve__ | errr |
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| 07:59.52 | ag4ve__ | stat -c '%Y' /proc/$$ |
| 08:00.00 | dhaval2712 | I am going through the Debain Handbook and I have a couple of questions about dpkg. So maintainers simply get the source pacakges and then they have to build the various binaries for it and then allow it into the repos, and the changes are tracked .orig.debian.tar.gz and so forth right? |
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| 08:15.50 | cloudowind | hello |
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| 08:16.47 | dhaval2712 | Yeah, so about the maintainers... |
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| 08:35.23 | owen1 | i don't see anything in my backup.log. it's suppose to run at 00:33. any ideas what's wrong with this cron? 33 0 * * * /tmp/backup.sh > /tmp/backup.log 2>&1 |
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| 08:35.41 | owen1 | (i have echo inside backup.sh) |
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| 08:38.17 | jelly-home | owen1: verify whether: /tmp/backup.sh has executable permission; it has a correct #! line; /tmp does not use the noexec mount option |
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| 08:38.31 | jelly-home | /tmp is not a good place to put binaries into |
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| 08:40.01 | owen1 | jelly-home: ok. moving it to my home |
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| 08:41.13 | owen1 | i am able to run it from bash, so maybe my cron is not saved? i just hit :w |
| 08:41.17 | owen1 | maybe i need :x ? |
| 08:41.20 | owen1 | (in vim |
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| 08:42.29 | owen1 | nope. i used :x and it's not running my job |
| 08:43.16 | owen1 | they way i test it is looking at the laptop's clock, and setting it to 1 minute in the future. |
| 08:43.26 | owen1 | it's 00:43 now so i set it to 00:44 |
| 08:43.34 | owen1 | and save the crontab |
| 08:44.30 | owen1 | oh! i am overriding the file |
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| 08:46.13 | owen1 | works now. thanks! |
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| 08:55.10 | suore | Hello Linux users, i've a question. The Debian has an /mnt catalog?. |
| 08:55.54 | natarj | suore: like /etc/mtab you mean ? |
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| 08:57.01 | suore | natarj, Yea /mnt/<discname> |
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| 08:58.08 | suore | natarj, Ubuntu mounts all to /media and havent /mnt dir. Debian have /mnt?. I want to try Debian Stable. |
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| 09:01.31 | natarj | suore: removable media are mounted under /media. Is it a problem ? |
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| 09:03.42 | suore | natarj, Not is not. Where is mounted hard disc at Debian? Also to /media/ like in Ubuntu? or to /mnt/? |
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| 09:05.27 | suore | natarj, I hear that mnt catalog exist in debian and here are mounted hard disks :> |
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| 09:06.27 | natarj | suore: you heard wrong. /media is standard path to mount removable media. |
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| 09:06.54 | suore | natarj, so mnt isn ot used? |
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| 09:08.23 | natarj | â /media, not /mnt ^_^ |
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| 09:09.19 | suore | natarj, okaj, but /mnt exist after install? or dir is not created like in Ubuntu?. it vey important for me, i need this infor for school :> |
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| 09:45.57 | twanny796 | I did a net-install yesterday, now I installed a NVIDIA NV34, how do I go about to configure it. The desktop is coming different and some of is not readable |
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| 09:55.28 | nkuttler | twanny796: um, nvidia-settings? |
| 09:55.55 | nkuttler | twanny796: or, which driver do you actually use? |
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| 10:09.12 | lessmoreles | Does this effect debian? http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Nov/74 |
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| 10:12.55 | nkuttler | lessmoreles: it's a per-user thing, but not enabled by default afaik |
| 10:13.36 | twanny796 | nkuttler, I am doing a reinstallation ;) it may take some time ... hope all goes well |
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| 10:14.26 | nkuttler | twanny796: what do you hope to fix by reinstalling? |
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| 10:16.54 | lessmoreles | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 10:29.59 | halt | Hi all, I tried to install puppet agent on one of the node but during the install the mysql reloaded, I did not see any sing that will will ahppend and it did not even ask about it, can someone tell me where should I know it, and why it's happened ? This the console output http://paste.debian.net/plain/133232 |
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| 10:42.14 | ChrisH | I am just getting unexpected errors from apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/133235/ 503 Service Unavailable on a 7.4 (wheezy) which I want need to upgrade to 7.7 |
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| 10:44.09 | ChrisH | To me it looks like apt is expecteing a Release but there are "only" Release.gz and Release.bz2 |
| 10:44.24 | Slydder | hey all. I have a bit of a problem. we received a bunch of dell servers with dracs and installed them so that the dracs are reachable on an internal subnet and we can reach the web ui per proxy by enabling the "virtualhost" for that drac on an apache proxy listening on the public IP. This works great except for 1 thing. the Virtual console will not work. does anyone know of a good tutorial that can explain how to set this up? |
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| 10:45.18 | halt | ChrisH: that's look like a local repo issue you can try to specify it and try it again |
| 10:45.21 | petn-randall | Slydder: That java applet will only work through "direct" connection. I haven't checked, but you might be able to tunnel the connection via SSH. |
| 10:45.40 | ChrisH | Slydder: is the DRAC remote console java with javaws involved? |
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| 10:46.18 | Slydder | ChrisH: ? |
| 10:47.28 | petn-randall | Slydder: I've noticed the problem, too. Didn't look into it yet to work around it. I don't want to have iDRAC facing the internet, but didn't have the time to look into the issue. |
| 10:48.28 | ChrisH | Slydder: The remote console can be a java applet or a javaws (Java Web start) the later might be tweaked externally or maybe inside the apache.... but setting up a VNC/RDP/whatever remote box via ssh is easier |
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| 10:49.33 | petn-randall | ChrisH: iDRAC works also pre-boot, which is the main advantage of it. |
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| 10:50.16 | slasx | hi, how to change the hostname of debian machine withour touching any archive |
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| 10:50.52 | ChrisH | petn-randall: I know. That still does not change my statement that a VM with direct network connection for DRAC usage is easier. One host to reach'em all :) |
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| 10:55.28 | petn-randall | ChrisH: Oh, now I get how you meant it. I thought you were pitching to enable remote desktop on the actual servers. |
| 10:55.47 | petn-randall | slasx: What archive do you mean? |
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| 10:56.04 | slasx | any |
| 10:56.08 | slasx | just with command |
| 10:56.16 | slasx | and to stay there when restart |
| 10:56.20 | petn-randall | !tell slasx -about hostname |
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| 11:02.47 | ChrisH | I am just getting unexpected errors from apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/133235/ 503 Service Unavailable on a 7.4 (wheezy) which I want need to upgrade to 7.7. The same sources.list works for 2 different boxes. /var/lib/apt does not have any Files like http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
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| 11:09.06 | dhaval2712 | If I have both Testing and unstable in my sources.list, will I have to specify unstable with apt-get like you have to do with backports? |
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| 11:15.58 | osram | Slydder: I'd set up networking so you can get to the DRAC without having to use your proxy setup. |
| 11:16.15 | osram | Slydder: DRAC virtual consoles, while awesome, are fickle. |
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| 11:17.02 | Slydder | yeah. will be adding a new vpn segement. |
| 11:17.05 | osram | Slydder: do you have the enterprise DRAC with separate NIC or are you using shared NICs? |
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| 11:17.29 | Slydder | osram: both |
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| 11:18.24 | osram | Slydder: Cool, the separate NIC makes things easy. Put a 'managment' switch into the rack and plus all DRACs into that. |
| 11:19.03 | osram | Slydder: then route your separate 'management' only vlan so you can get to it from our 'privileged' internal network only (ie. no public routing). |
| 11:19.09 | osram | Slydder: forget the proxy. |
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| 11:19.44 | petn-randall | slasx: Don't message me in private, ask in the channel. |
| 11:20.25 | osram | Slydder: With shared NICs, be mindful that various versions of DRAC firmware have trouble with vlan tagging (ie. they'll ignore the vlan tag you set in the DRAC network config). |
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| 11:21.27 | osram | Slydder: the latest iDRAC6 and 7 firmwares will work though, just make sure you upgrade (if not already done). |
| 11:21.53 | osram | shuts up now |
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| 11:23.05 | slasx | i stilll didnt get it, i need to change only with command but without touching any files, and when restart to be still there, petn-randall |
| 11:24.25 | petn-randall | slasx: As the factoid said: You can change it at runtime via the 'hostname' command, and permanently via /etc/hostname. |
| 11:25.08 | slasx | but i cant edit any file |
| 11:25.17 | slasx | cant do it permament via command? |
| 11:25.23 | petn-randall | slasx: No. |
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| 11:28.12 | osram | slasx: echo hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 11:28.22 | gribouille | hi |
| 11:28.33 | gribouille | I have a problem with chromium |
| 11:28.38 | slasx | i cant edit any file t.t |
| 11:29.01 | Walex | gribouille: who doesn't :-) |
| 11:29.25 | fraff | anyone has a better solution to get last pattern of a file than "grep pattern file | tail -1" or "tac file | grep -m1 pattern" ? |
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| 11:30.49 | petn-randall | slasx: That's a feature, the hostname should be changeable by anybody. |
| 11:30.50 | halt | fraff: try the bash channell they have crazy sh*t, for first do not redirect a pipe use $() instead |
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| 11:31.16 | Walex | halt: weird advice (the second part) |
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| 11:32.03 | halt | Walex: that's for performance reasons |
| 11:32.09 | Walex | halt: even weirder |
| 11:32.23 | osram | fraff: I'm interested to know why the solution(s) you've given aren't adequate in your view. |
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| 11:33.11 | Walex | osram: our psychic advisors tell me that "fraff" is thinking that there might something that 'grep's backwards... |
| 11:33.18 | fraff | halt: guys of #bash are crazy, I try not to go there to much often (and I've been there 2 years ago) |
| 11:33.48 | osram | Heh :) |
| 11:34.02 | halt | fraff: agree but they they stuff, I have to admit that |
| 11:34.15 | osram | fraff: your solution is fine, either one of them. |
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| 11:34.55 | Walex | osram: I just did web search for "grep backwards" and there are quite a few entertaining hits |
| 11:34.56 | fraff | osram: yes, but it must be run in a find -exec or a find | xargs |
| 11:35.44 | halt | fraff: awk '/pattern/ {a=$0} END{print a}' file |
| 11:36.03 | fraff | halt: ha, this one sounds nice |
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| 11:36.42 | halt | or sed -n '/pattern/h;$!b;g;p' file |
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| 11:37.11 | osram | Walex: Couldn't help myself, just did the same. You're not wrong! :) |
| 11:37.36 | fraff | awk is more readable, thanks halt |
| 11:38.03 | osram | isn't sure what just happened |
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| 11:39.19 | osram | fraff: whether you use awk, grep, cat or tac is immaterial. They all need to process the entire file to get to the last line. |
| 11:40.44 | halt | osram: or they can start from the end and find the first .. |
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| 11:41.32 | fraff | osram: I think tac begin from the end |
| 11:42.03 | osram | halt: to get to the end they all read the entire file first. |
| 11:42.18 | halt | btw did anyone saw my question about the puppet install ? ( around and hour ago ) |
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| 11:48.54 | osram | halt: actually, I correct myself (just looking at the tac source code): |
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| 11:49.42 | osram | halt: if the file is _not_ a stream (ie. not piped from stdin for example), tac does a seek to the end and reads from there. |
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| 11:50.09 | osram | halt: if however it _is_ a stream, tac writes everything out to a temporary file, then processes that. |
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| 11:50.19 | osram | So the latter sounds expensive. |
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| 11:51.33 | osram | But that's tac. I'd still say (without looking at code) that grep/awk/etc. process the entire file to get at the last line. |
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| 11:55.59 | osram | has put everybody to sleep. Apologies. |
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| 13:28.14 | pzn | in "less" if I use "/" I can search for next line WITH a pattern. how can I search for next line WITHOUT a pattern? |
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| 13:36.03 | pandaUser | hi guys |
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| 13:36.06 | brotherBox | Python3.4 is not in the stable repos for debian 7, is there an easy way to install just python 3.4 from the testing repos? |
| 13:36.07 | jelly | pzn: /! |
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| 13:36.35 | centrx | dpkg, tell brotherBox about ssb |
| 13:36.58 | jelly | centrx: there's nothing "easy" about packaging or backporting python |
| 13:37.11 | centrx | The the only answer is "no" |
| 13:37.27 | jelly | yes. :-) |
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| 13:37.56 | abrotman | centrx: why tell him about backporting then? |
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| 13:38.08 | halt | brotherBox: you can try virtualenv |
| 13:38.22 | centrx | backporting is pretty easy if it works |
| 13:38.31 | pzn | jelly, that simple!!! tks! |
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| 13:43.39 | brotherBox | centrx: I do not see how information about backports and recompilation pertains to my particular issue, could you please elaborate? |
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| 13:45.47 | Brigo | brotherBox, if you want python 3.4 in your wheezy you have to recompile it from jessi to wheezy. That is called a backport |
| 13:46.25 | Brigo | debian team backported some package, but not python 3.4 (no luck). |
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| 13:47.10 | abrotman | FFS, stop saying that |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | backporting python isn't an option |
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| 13:53.43 | kuene | I work for a university. I have several web servers where students, teachers, and institutions can install whatever they want. wordpres, typo3, drupal or whatever. then they leave it there to rot. is there a local scanner to detect outdated and compromised software? so I could scan the server find the outdated or hacked software quickly and tell the people to update it. |
| 13:54.22 | petn-randall | kuene: IMHO that's already a bad setup, because if you have horribly outdated software, it's already a step too late. |
| 13:54.41 | centrx | so that's where all that spam is coming from |
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| 13:54.58 | kuene | petn-randall, I update the debian-system. but they have ftps and can upload whatever they want |
| 13:55.03 | petn-randall | kuene: That said, there are several vulnerability scanners like Nikto, etc. |
| 13:55.53 | kuene | petn-randall, thanks. I will check it out. |
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| 13:56.23 | Leoneof | why there are no compiz packages for debian? |
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| 13:57.26 | alt^255 | Hi! I'm running jessie and I have an odd question about svn & pinentry. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. Nevertheless - my system seems to have saved my ssl password somewhere and is using pinentry to ask it to me every time. I'm not sure how to stop this. Any hint? |
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| 13:58.35 | centrx | Leoneof, compiz is mostly a dead project |
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| 13:59.26 | centrx | Ubuntu keeps it on life support, but it's basically an old unmaintained project |
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| 14:00.00 | Leoneof | centrx: heh, no! |
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| 14:01.54 | fcp14 | hello |
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| 14:02.29 | kuene | petn-randall, nikto checks remote servers. I would like to know If there is a scanner that can look locally in folders and find outdated wordpresses, drupals and other suspicious files |
| 14:02.32 | Lachezar | Hey all. Is it possible to 'apt-get install ...' a package with explicitly ignoring a certain dependency? |
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| 14:02.40 | fcp14 | please i have a lot of problems with my wifi network disconnecting all the time , i've ethernet connection I217-LM @ jessie |
| 14:02.45 | fcp14 | anyone can help :S |
| 14:03.00 | fcp14 | i think the problems are related with wpa_supplicant |
| 14:03.10 | petn-randall | kuene: Just because there is an old copy on-disk, you still don't know if it is served via webserver. |
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| 14:04.11 | centrx | fcp14, Internet says I217-LM is landline Ethernet card? |
| 14:04.26 | centrx | fcp14, Do you have another entry for Wireless in lspci ? |
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| 14:04.33 | kuene | petn-randall, yeah i know the apache-configuration... |
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| 14:05.32 | petn-randall | kuene: I know such a thing exists, but I don't know of any such FOSS project. |
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| 14:06.38 | Guest49798 | hi, I shutdown my computer as eclipse was hanging now on gdm startup I get "could not update ICEauthority file in /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority", tried moving the file or creating a blank version, but I still get the error |
| 14:06.44 | Guest49798 | what could I do? |
| 14:06.45 | kuene | petn-randall, oh ok. me neither... |
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| 14:08.18 | Guest49798 | could someone using gnome check what permissions the file needs to have? |
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| 14:10.46 | mtn | Guest49798: mine says: -rw------- |
| 14:10.58 | Guest49798 | which user= |
| 14:11.04 | fcp14 | centrx yes that is Wireless 7260 |
| 14:11.04 | fcp14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.05 | Guest49798 | Debian-Gdm= |
| 14:11.10 | Guest49798 | ? |
| 14:11.17 | mtn | Guest49798: yes |
| 14:11.24 | Guest49798 | hrm...thanks! |
| 14:11.25 | mtn | Debian-gdm |
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| 14:13.00 | fcp14 | centrx 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 83) |
| 14:13.00 | fcp14 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.51 | fcp14 | centrx i installed http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi with the last iwlwifi-7260-ucode |
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| 14:15.24 | Guest49798 | should I head to #gnome with my problem or is this the appropriate channel= |
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| 14:15.27 | Guest49798 | ? |
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| 14:17.33 | abrotman | Guest49798: just try moving the file aside |
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| 14:18.47 | Guest49798 | didn't work the message is just wrong |
| 14:19.01 | Guest49798 | it refers to /var/lib/gdm3 but the file in question is in /home/user |
| 14:19.27 | Guest49798 | I removed the file in /home/user and now it works again |
| 14:19.34 | Guest49798 | thanks anyway |
| 14:20.31 | sydney | When is stable and testing EOL? |
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| 14:22.08 | mtn | sydney: if I recall correctly, stable is one year after the release of the next stable, and for testing, never. |
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| 14:23.47 | paulwa | any one know if a nfs mount should show root : root as user group rather then the uid number for the user? |
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| 14:24.51 | ChrisH | paulwa: can you show an example? add nfsstat -m output on paste.debian.net please. |
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| 14:26.55 | jelly | sydney: testing doesn't get support, so there's nothing to EOL |
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| 14:27.34 | sydney | Testing never gets updated? Or how does that work? |
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| 14:27.59 | mtn | sydney: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 14:28.00 | Brigo | sydney, testing get updates all the time :) |
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| 14:29.00 | sydney | Ok. and does testing have a live iso? |
| 14:29.23 | sydney | Im using stable, and need something with newer programs ;) |
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| 14:30.34 | centrx | sydney, you can upgrade directly from your current installation |
| 14:30.44 | paulwa | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/PB9yq17V - |
| 14:30.55 | paulwa | thats from the client |
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| 14:31.24 | mtn | sydney: read the wiki article |
| 14:32.04 | sydney | Ok, will do. Another thing, how stable is testing? |
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| 14:32.19 | mtn | sydney: read the wiki article |
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| 14:32.44 | sydney | Thanks :P |
| 14:32.47 | sydney | :) |
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| 14:35.40 | natsukao_ | hi |
| 14:35.46 | ChrisH | paulwa: which line is unexpected? 22-23? Assuming yes. What you are seeing here is root_squash with NFS V4. You might want to check http://www.unix-info.org/nfsV4_howto_.txt if you want to stay with NFS V4. |
| 14:35.55 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I convert a raster png to SVG |
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| 14:36.16 | bl4ckdu5t | Will it convert to svg just by opening it and saving as eps? |
| 14:36.17 | paulwa | to be fair |
| 14:36.36 | bl4ckdu5t | oops |
| 14:36.41 | armin | ooooooooops |
| 14:36.41 | bl4ckdu5t | sorry not for here |
| 14:36.41 | paulwa | i would rather go back to nfs3, i use proxmox and the containers don't support 4, but wasn't sure how to do this :z |
| 14:36.50 | natsukao_ | why the paackage hamlib is back to the version 5.0.B of GNU/linux Debian ? |
| 14:37.09 | Zzeiss1 | Is there a Jessie (Testing) livecd? Or do I need to install Wheezy and then do apt-get dist-upgrade magic? |
| 14:37.35 | armin | Zzeiss1: there are jessie install cd's, yes. |
| 14:37.53 | bl4ckdu5t | Zzeiss1: I run jessie in VMware |
| 14:37.58 | bl4ckdu5t | so yes |
| 14:39.12 | rhoering | n00b question about FSSSTND: I want to place a directory that will be the root of for samba fileshares BUT the files will also in those directories will also be used as data by a number of programs. Is /opt the best place for the directory. I believe the 'issue' is I would like to provide anonymous READ access to the fileshares. |
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| 14:40.45 | rhoering | EDITED for typos: n00b question about FSSSTND: I want to place a directory that will be the root for samba fileshares BUT the files in those directories will also be used as data by a number of programs. Is /opt the best place for the directory. I believe the 'issue' is I would like to provide anonymous READ access to the fileshares. |
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| 14:41.21 | Brigo | rhoering, i think i will be better in /var |
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| 14:42.20 | centrx | rhoering, FHS is the new name for FSSSTND (new as of 1997) |
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| 14:42.58 | babilen | rhoering: I'd use /srv ;) |
| 14:42.59 | ChrisH | rhoering: without considering any standard... I use /export as there the meaning is correct :) |
| 14:43.08 | rhoering | Bringo & centrix: Thanks I will do some additional digging. |
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| 14:43.40 | babilen | export is not in the fhs |
| 14:44.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell rhoering -about fhs |
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| 14:44.32 | rhoering | bailen: I saw /srv and said 'humm it is like the wild west' I was not sure I wanted to 'offend' folks. |
| 14:44.43 | babilen | wild west? |
| 14:45.10 | babilen | I am afraid I don't quite understand how "wild west" pertains to the fhs |
| 14:46.11 | sydney | And when is jessie going to be released? |
| 14:46.22 | sydney | Average date? |
| 14:46.25 | rhoering | ChrisH: I have in the past used "/files" to avoid the travese folder permissions issues I ran into with samba [I have not revisited them]. |
| 14:46.27 | babilen | dpkg: wwwjr |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | babilen: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:46.29 | babilen | dpkg: wwjr |
| 14:46.30 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
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| 14:46.43 | babilen | sydney: "/msg dpkg jessie pool 1" |
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| 14:46.56 | Zzeiss1 | I take it the compiz spinny cube is long gone? |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | compiz has been dead for ages |
| 14:47.29 | Zzeiss1 | babilen: Too bad. It was a crowd-pleaser. Something that Windows Didn't Do. |
| 14:47.43 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 14:48.28 | mtn | Zzeiss1: kde has all of compiz's features |
| 14:48.55 | rhoering | babilen: In the FSSSTND the '/srv' looked like a place of great contention and so folks did whatever they wanted in it. [The US in the 1800's was like that in the west] |
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| 14:50.00 | babilen | rhoering: FHS says "Site-specific data which are served by the system.", don't you think that it sounds appropriate? |
| 14:51.17 | rhoering | babilen: "The methodology used to name subdirectories of /srv is unspecified as there |
| 14:51.17 | rhoering | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.34 | babilen | rhoering: â "it is up to you" |
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| 14:52.04 | babilen | That doesn't change that /srv is appropriate for data such as yours |
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| 14:53.43 | rhoering | babilen: Hence my comment about the wild west. It does sound like the right place. I will look into what was giving me trouble creating anonymous shares in the past. [I may have been in home at the time.] |
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| 14:54.39 | ChrisH | rhoering: I never had issues with anonymous samba shares, wherever they where mounted |
| 14:54.52 | yopyop | Hello, how can i run a command from cron as it would run if i ran it in my terminal ? I have a problem with a program which has a bug if i run it from cron but i can't point out what is wrong from cron environment |
| 14:55.11 | rhoering | ChrisH: Even in the Home directory? |
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| 14:56.18 | ChrisH | rhoering: yep. I only had once issues with forced group ownership |
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| 14:58.22 | rhoering | ChrisH: Thanks! I had issues about a year ago but it was a blur as I got a my directories and smb.conf sorted and never looked back. :) |
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| 15:13.29 | brentaarnold | Having an issue in Debian Jessie with Guake Terminal and a Shell script. Please review: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27107771/guake-terminal-startup-shell-script |
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| 15:15.42 | jelly | brentaarnold: if this only happens in jessie, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, too |
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| 15:18.33 | brentaarnold | jelly: Thanks, will do |
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| 15:20.19 | wrksx | hey all |
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| 15:21.19 | wrksx | I need, for scripting purpose, to allow a user to run a command under another user identity |
| 15:21.29 | wrksx | What would be the best way to achieve that ? |
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| 15:22.46 | babilen | wrksx: Use sudo |
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| 15:24.32 | babilen | wrksx: It allows very fine-grained control over who is allowed to run what as which user |
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| 15:24.51 | phre4k | doesn't debian cifs mount have the multiuser option? It isn't mentioned in man cifs.mount |
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| 15:25.11 | wrksx | babilen: looks perfect and was my original idea, but i thought maybe it was not the right tool to use in a script |
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| 15:25.50 | babilen | wrksx: I see no problem with requiring a particular sudo setup and its usage for/in a script |
| 15:25.57 | wrksx | babilen: I'm struggling a bit to find how to tell sudo that it needs to use a specific user |
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| 15:26.31 | babilen | wrksx: Check Runas_Spec in sudoers(5) |
| 15:26.41 | wrksx | babilen: great thx |
| 15:27.45 | babilen | You simply specify a list of users that the user *can* run the script as. You will, naturally, still have to pass "-u USER" when you actually do that. Combine it with NOPASSWD for non-interactive use. |
| 15:28.22 | KaaK | wrksx, http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/82438/allow-sudo-to-another-user-without-password |
| 15:29.34 | babilen | Read the manpage, it'll pay of in the next couple of years |
| 15:29.39 | babilen | *off |
| 15:29.42 | wrksx | babilen: thank you for the detailed explaination |
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| 15:30.18 | wrksx | babilen: I was actually reading it. I find sudoers structure very hard to remember |
| 15:30.27 | KaaK | btw, in case you didn't know, you can search man pages using the '/' key |
| 15:30.31 | wrksx | KaaK: will have a look at it thank you |
| 15:31.21 | babilen | Yeah, I concur. It is very powerful and with that power comes a complex configuration file format. |
| 15:31.48 | jelly | with great power comes shoddy syntax! |
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| 15:32.56 | wrksx | babilen: do you know what does 'boulder' means ? |
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| 15:33.01 | wrksx | mean ? |
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| 15:34.14 | babilen | wrksx: I was replying to "babilen: I was actually reading it. I find sudoers structure very hard to remember! |
| 15:34.17 | babilen | " |
| 15:34.33 | wrksx | babilen: yes I got that ty |
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| 15:34.44 | wrksx | babilen: that was another question I asked =) |
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| 15:35.15 | babilen | wrksx: Do you have some context for that question? 'boulder' has a number of meanings :) |
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| 15:35.50 | wrksx | babilen: in sudoers a line shoudl be like that: deployboulder = (sphinxsearch) /bin/ls |
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| 15:36.16 | babilen | boulder is a name |
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| 15:37.34 | wrksx | babilen: the man is not clear to me, what name is that ? |
| 15:37.42 | wrksx | a user ? a group ? |
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| 15:38.56 | KaaK | wrksx, I could be wrong, but reading that line in plain english 'users deploy and boulder are allowed to run /bin/ls as user sphinxsearch' |
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| 15:41.51 | liqu|d | how does one install java now on wheezy? it cant find the package |
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| 15:42.40 | KaaK | liqu|d, openjdk-7-jre |
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| 15:43.03 | liqu|d | prefect thanks :) |
| 15:43.12 | liqu|d | i didnt do the 7-jre part lol |
| 15:43.21 | babilen | wrksx: "The basic structure of a user specification is âwho where = (as_whom) whatâ" |
| 15:43.31 | babilen | bbl |
| 15:44.04 | wrksx | babilen: okay thx. So boulder would be the where |
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| 15:44.06 | KaaK | whoops, missed the `where` |
| 15:44.35 | wrksx | but what does where mean for a sudo conf ? |
| 15:44.38 | wrksx | I don't get it |
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| 15:47.31 | KaaK | wrksx, its a host: see here (man page excerpt) -> http://paste.debian.net/133269/ |
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| 15:48.06 | wrksx | oh! thank you very much KaaK |
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| 15:50.11 | KaaK | wrksx, honostly i believe the host bit is optional -- i've never had the need to use it (for better or worse) |
| 15:50.30 | wrksx | KaaK: I've used ALL as a host |
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| 15:50.57 | babilen | fair enough |
| 15:51.00 | KaaK | wrksx, also, be sure you're editing sudo files using visudo -f path/to/sudoers/file |
| 15:51.13 | KaaK | its a good way to get locked out of a machine |
| 15:51.19 | babilen | Or just "visudo" to edit the default one |
| 15:51.19 | KaaK | easy way* |
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| 15:51.37 | wrksx | KaaK: i'm simply using visudo |
| 15:51.45 | wrksx | okay thx |
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| 15:54.05 | wrksx | KaaK: babilen: script is running smothly now, many thanks! |
| 15:54.10 | wrksx | smoothly |
| 15:54.25 | babilen | well done |
| 15:54.43 | paulwa | ls |
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| 15:56.35 | petn-randall | paulwa: Desktop Documents Downloads Music Pictures Source tmp |
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| 15:57.52 | paulwa | petn-randall: haha |
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| 16:01.38 | paulwa | slaps NFS around the head! |
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| 16:06.52 | paulwa | any one any idea with mount --bind doesn't work? |
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| 16:09.10 | petn-randall | !tell paulwa -about doesnt work |
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| 16:10.10 | lyonsb | !tell lyonsb -about doesnt work |
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| 16:11.01 | paulwa | haha that wasn't aimed for this room! :p |
| 16:11.25 | bakteria | Trying to set up my raid on wheezy. Got MDADM and fstab set up but it wont mount the raid on startup. If I manually mount it it asks for root. |
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| 16:13.23 | petn-randall | paulwa: The question is on-topic for Debian, but you didn't provide any details that makes the question answerable. For example the actual error message and outcome would help to understand what your problem is. |
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| 16:16.45 | bakteria | petn-randall: the message I get when I manually try to boot it is "you need root" |
| 16:16.57 | bakteria | Im guessing that is why the thing wont mount on boot. |
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| 16:18.14 | paulwa | root@www1:/mnt/backupserver# mount 37.*.*.*:/home/dump/ /mnt/backupserver/ |
| 16:18.14 | paulwa | mount.nfs: Protocol not supported |
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| 16:18.40 | paulwa | any one ideas on why i get protocl not supported, if i change the /home/dump to just / i get access denied by server while mountoung ip:/ |
| 16:18.51 | petn-randall | paulwa: That's not the bind mount you were talking about. |
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| 16:19.15 | paulwa | that was for something else and not for this channel, lack of keyboard skills on that one petn-randall |
| 16:20.17 | _br_ | Having issue with installing from-source built kernel here. How can I generate a initrd or initramfs which also loads LVM for the Root fs which is on LVM LV ? |
| 16:20.22 | petn-randall | paulwa: Oh, I see. Can you add a '-v' to the mount option? I'm guessing your client can only do NFSv3, and the server only v4, or vice versa. |
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| 16:21.04 | petn-randall | _br_: Use 'make debpkg' and install the resulting .deb. That'll take care of generating an initramfs. |
| 16:22.46 | paulwa | petn-randall: yes, i edited /etc/default/nfs-kernal-server and added --no-nfs-version 4 to the rpcmountdopts and then restarted nfs-kernel-server |
| 16:23.37 | _br_ | petn-randall: Even with LVM support? |
| 16:23.55 | _br_ | petn-randall: Its less of a problem of generate initramfs, but more of root fs being on LVM |
| 16:24.33 | petn-randall | _br_: That's more then norm than the exception nowadays. You of course have to have the kernel built with support and the userland tools for that. |
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| 16:24.56 | medecau | Hi everyone. |
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| 16:25.14 | paulwa | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/cqkbLQ2v |
| 16:25.19 | medecau | Iâve been fighting with my comp for a few days trying to get it to accept debian |
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| 16:25.32 | medecau | itâs a macbook for early 2008 |
| 16:25.42 | _br_ | petn-randall: gotcha, thanks I'll try that |
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| 16:26.07 | medecau | Iâv got refind on a usb drive and dd an .img to another usb drive |
| 16:26.37 | medecau | but when I tell refind to boot from the debian drive it claims thereâs no OS |
| 16:27.18 | medecau | Iâve been looking at the debian wiki for theses intructions but cannot make any progress |
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| 16:28.09 | medecau | anyone else been successful in getting debian into a macbook? |
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| 16:33.58 | GNU\colossus | hm, is there an "official" Debian build available that works on the raspberry pi? |
| 16:34.12 | GNU\colossus | (I mean upstream Debian, not Raspbian) |
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| 16:38.17 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, the reason that raspian exists is due to debian's armhf only supporting ARMv7 and greater. The raspi is an ARMv6 board |
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| 16:39.12 | KaaK | so no, raspbian is going to be your best bet for debian on the raspi for some time |
| 16:39.12 | xk05 | perhaps this is a kernel question, but is there anything like "Freemem" in debian? meaning a utility that frees up ram, like you used to find for windows systems? |
| 16:40.10 | petn-randall | xk05: No, and there never will because it doesn't make any sense and is snake oil. |
| 16:40.34 | petn-randall | xk05: See also http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 16:41.12 | xk05 | petn-randall, ok, just saw that result on google |
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| 16:41.19 | KaaK | xk05, ram is a resource that you WANT to be using. Just let the kernel do its thing and manage it for you. |
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| 16:42.27 | petn-randall | xk05: Yeah, to cut it short: Unused RAM is wasted RAM. And cache/buffers in RAM don't take away memory from processes, but make many things in your system more responsive. |
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| 16:44.50 | jelly | GNU\colossus: armel userspace works on a ras.pi |
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| 16:45.54 | GNU\colossus | jelly, do you happen to know how the installation process works there? are there rpi-specific images of d-i? |
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| 16:47.31 | xk05 | petn-randall, that's relevant but not quite what i was looking for. im not interested in getting rid of linux disk cache, im looking for ways to use what i know about my machine's state to 'help' it |
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| 16:50.09 | petn-randall | xk05: The kernel does that a lot better than a human will ever be able to do. |
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| 16:50.53 | petn-randall | xk05: If you have a specific problem that you think might be solved by playing around with memory management, better tell us about the actual problem you see. :) |
| 16:51.10 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, what is your motivation for moving away from raspbian? |
| 16:52.41 | jelly | GNU\colossus: no, sorry. I try to ignore r.pi for boards that can run actual debian armhf. |
| 16:52.48 | xk05 | petn-randall, disk cache doesnt know, for instance, that in the morning, im likely to close and open things as i shift the machine from 'overnight auto this' to 'morning manual mode' disk cache only becomes aware of this when i start doing it and simply starts responding to my commands. i find it difficult to imagine that disk cache is already fully optimized to the point where its inefficient for me as a user to be able to say something like, "hey, disk cach |
| 16:52.48 | xk05 | e, listen up, times-are-a-changin" |
| 16:53.55 | GNU\colossus | KaaK, I trust the Debian project more than the RPi foundation, that is all, really |
| 16:53.56 | petn-randall | xk05: Then tell us about the problem you're trying to solve. |
| 16:54.01 | xk05 | petn-randall, this isnt a mission critical problem, just a sort of convenience im looking for |
| 16:54.02 | GNU\colossus | jelly, I see. thanks anyway! :) |
| 16:54.08 | xk05 | petn-randall, i just did |
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| 16:55.49 | petn-randall | xk05: disk cache doesn't pre-emptively start caching things, right. But how do you know in advance what should be in the disk cache? |
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| 16:57.19 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, if you don't trust the RPi's images, you can create your own by pointing debootstrap to the rasbian servers and building your own `vanilla` rootfs in that way |
| 16:57.42 | KaaK | if you don't trust their repo, then you're going to be stuck in armel land |
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| 16:59.29 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, The other option is selecting an arm board that *can* run debian's armhf (e.g. the beaglebone black) |
| 17:00.02 | GNU\colossus | KaaK, do you happen know that device's idle power consumption when running Debian? |
| 17:00.07 | GNU\colossus | +to |
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| 17:00.51 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, two seconds -- i'll toss an ammeter inline with mine |
| 17:01.02 | GNU\colossus | awesome, thanks a lot!° |
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| 17:01.35 | xk05 | petn-randall, i have a pretty good idea of what im going to be doing at certain times, like first thing in the morning, if i can avoid some grindage and thrashage by not suddenly landing on disk cache with a bunch of quick changes. this still seems like a reasonable strategy, but how the hell is disk cache supposed to know when suddenly im going to do shift to another set of applications and tasks? especially on a somewhat low powered machine? i realize this |
| 17:01.35 | xk05 | is a well known thing, with time tested algorithms and experienced devs. but i still want the stick shift. |
| 17:01.49 | xk05 | er, that was wordy. apologies. |
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| 17:04.04 | Gforce | Hey there.I don't know if it's the right place to ask.Any way!Why even with setting "stop seeding at ratio = 0" in transmission still uploads? |
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| 17:07.09 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, (No peripherals @ 5.25V ) boot peaked at about 350mA, stead-state about 220mA; (/w ethernet @ 5.25V) boot peaked at about 410mA, stead-state about 300mA |
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| 17:07.54 | Satche | Hello |
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| 17:08.04 | petn-randall | xk05: Out of curiosity, do you manually fire the spark plugs on your car to get an extra 2 hp out of it? If you know what you want to start, just make sure it starts moment before you want to use it. |
| 17:08.57 | xk05 | petn-randall, hold one. found my problem. |
| 17:09.16 | xk05 | petn-randall, my vm.swappiness is too high |
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| 17:10.34 | xk05 | it wasnt really disk cache, this machine is too server-like. ill adjust vm.swappiness down to 10. this has worked for me before |
| 17:10.49 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, you can also checkout the SRM here: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1685587.pdf |
| 17:10.52 | Guest42482 | I have some trouble with my eeepc; it seems a firmware is making to the netinstall debian.. |
| 17:10.58 | Guest42482 | *is missing |
| 17:11.02 | KaaK | section 6.1.7 covers power consumption approx. |
| 17:11.13 | GNU\colossus | KaaK, thanks a lot! |
| 17:11.23 | GNU\colossus | you're awesome :) |
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| 17:11.33 | KaaK | GNU\colossus, no problem -- good luck! |
| 17:11.38 | GNU\colossus | thanks :) |
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| 17:14.23 | bbtech | Is there a way to see release notes before doing a aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 17:18.44 | bbtech | apt-listchanges is what I was looking for :-) |
| 17:18.46 | xk05 | petn-randall, i usually do this swappiness adjustment after a new install, i must have skipped it this time, thanks for the help, though. |
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| 17:27.25 | _2_ | Hi everyone |
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| 17:29.34 | paulwa | petn-randall: any ideas on the above issue? |
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| 17:30.36 | paulwa | was giveing me a portmap query retrying: RFC: progarm/version mismatch |
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| 17:32.02 | xk05 | hm. there's a comment that low ram actually, and counter-intuitively, wants higher vm.swappiness, but on this machine, lowering it has typically resulted in the kind of responsiveness i prefer |
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| 18:23.03 | tiny | For some reason debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso install failed to setup mirror and system. I'm left with basic system. Any ideas how to get fully functional system quickly? |
| 18:23.15 | tiny | I'm left with virtual console and no ssh server. |
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| 18:24.08 | centrx | tiny, apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 18:26.01 | tiny | it's a pain to edit with a half functional virtual console |
| 18:26.15 | dtree | lol just reinstall properly |
| 18:26.23 | dtree | will probably take about as much time as it would for you to figger it out |
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| 18:26.27 | tiny | yep |
| 18:26.44 | dtree | the copout solution :) |
| 18:26.50 | tiny | i wonder what made it not choose mirrors. I did at least 10 installs yesterday |
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| 18:27.39 | dtree | thinksgs can go janky sometimes when you do them over and over and over thikning you're doing it righ |
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| 18:28.12 | dtree | wow mad lag |
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| 18:28.27 | tiny | khm, how wrong can you be in choosing a mirror? |
| 18:28.32 | tiny | this is a bug |
| 18:29.11 | dtree | where i am in costa rica sometimes i have trouble with the local mirror |
| 18:29.19 | dtree | for openbsd packages? haha no |
| 18:29.22 | dtree | doesn't work |
| 18:29.27 | dtree | so yeah mirrors definitely can be unreliable |
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| 18:29.48 | abrotman | tiny: if your network fails at install time, you won't get a mirror |
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| 18:29.51 | tiny | not whole europe |
| 18:29.57 | tiny | it didn't |
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| 18:30.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:30.12 | abrotman | tiny: find your installation report in /var/log/, compare and contrast |
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| 18:30.27 | tiny | I'll try to reproduce |
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| 18:39.10 | Voyager82 | Hello. I'm currently using the LXDE Debian version of Linux. I want to install a good lightweight video player, but also capable of playing as many video formats as possible (codecs, etc.). What do you suggest me? I'm not an expert. (I'm not an expert. I'm currently thinking about Totem and MPlayer.) |
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| 18:40.07 | crash_ | Voyager82, i suggest you try mpv :) |
| 18:40.14 | centrx | Voyager82, mplayer, mplayer2, or vlc (in stable) |
| 18:40.46 | Voyager82 | mpv? |
| 18:41.05 | crash_ | www.mpv.io for information |
| 18:41.21 | greycat | I'd suggest you try them all and keep whichever one(s) you like most. |
| 18:41.25 | centrx | mpv is the best now, it's in Debian next release/testing/unstable |
| 18:41.35 | Voyager82 | I've just installed MPlayer, but I can't see it in the menu. Is it a text-based program? |
| 18:42.03 | tiny | there, again: http://i.imgur.com/Bt8L0fe.jpg |
| 18:42.58 | tiny | http://i.imgur.com/sRCs8iK.jpg |
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| 18:43.15 | tiny | tried as many mirrors as I could :) |
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| 18:43.53 | centrx | Voyager82, looks like front-ends for mplayer are: mplayer-gui, smplayer, or gnome-mplayer |
| 18:44.05 | centrx | Voyager82, Otherwise, mplayer it is a command-line program |
| 18:44.07 | greycat | or you can always type mplayer at the terminal prompt |
| 18:44.08 | tiny | ttyl |
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| 18:44.29 | Voyager82 | I see. centrx, what's the best choice of a LXDE environment? |
| 18:44.40 | greycat | "Best" is entirely subjective. |
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| 18:45.18 | Voyager82 | greycat, right. :) |
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| 18:46.32 | Voyager82 | Is it easy to install new codecs on MPlayer? (And, I'll promice I will RTFM. :) ) |
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| 18:49.27 | ctmjr | mplayer comes with all it's own codecs you do not need to install any and if you need a frontend for it try smplayer |
| 18:49.32 | brotherBox | Voyager82: you can try to get the source code and play with the compilation flags |
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| 18:49.50 | brotherBox | ctmjr: doesnt the development version have, for example, opus support? |
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| 18:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | !sources.list |
| 18:52.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:53.04 | Voyager82 | ctmjr, yes. I understand. I asked if it was easy to install "new" codecs, if necessary. But I think I'll find out by myself, when necessary. Thank you all for now. :) |
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| 18:56.06 | adm001mi | hey all... since only an hour I've got an apt-get update problem... |
| 18:56.53 | adm001mi | Every release file for all the repositories in my sources.list are expired for like 5 days... |
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| 18:57.51 | xreal | Who wants to hear the joke of the day? |
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| 18:58.09 | adm001mi | xreal... shoot! |
| 18:58.25 | xreal | I just got a free virtual server for free testing before purchase. What does "dpkg --list" tell me? |
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| 18:58.39 | xreal | it's Debian 7 of course |
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| 18:59.04 | adm001mi | nothing is installed? |
| 18:59.09 | xreal | "upstart" has been installed :)) |
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| 18:59.43 | xreal | Oh come on, that was funny, wasn't it? |
| 18:59.44 | Brigo | adm001mi, what about the time? is it configured? |
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| 19:00.09 | Brigo | xreal, i do not undestand. |
| 19:00.10 | adm001mi | the repository is in the same country... |
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| 19:00.21 | Freemason | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.38 | adm001mi | lol xreal |
| 19:00.42 | Brigo | adm001mi, but clock may be out of sync |
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| 19:00.59 | adm001mi | Brigo my clock is synced automatically... |
| 19:00.59 | brotherBox | what the hell Freemason |
| 19:01.02 | xreal | Brigo: isn't "upstart" a part of ubuntu ? |
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| 19:01.26 | adm001mi | but I'm on Jessie... but for some reason I can't get on debian-next |
| 19:01.27 | Brigo | xreal, ah, yes, i got it now. Weird :) |
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| 19:02.02 | Brigo | adm001mi, debian-next is in oftc.net irc network only |
| 19:02.11 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: Are you perhaps trying to join it on freenode instead of oftc.net |
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| 19:02.39 | adm001mi | I used to join on freenode... |
| 19:02.50 | Brigo | adm001mi, it is automatic, ok but is it configured correctly? :D |
| 19:02.53 | adm001mi | my bad... thanks pointing it out! |
| 19:03.01 | adm001mi | Brigo it should be |
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| 19:04.41 | Brigo | adm001mi, because if not it could be the problem. |
| 19:04.57 | adm001mi | Brigo, just to be sure, how can I check that? |
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| 19:06.06 | Brigo | date |
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| 19:06.35 | adm001mi | Mon Nov 24 20:06:30 CET 2014 |
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| 19:07.06 | Brigo | that is right. So the problem should be another :) |
| 19:07.38 | adm001mi | The entire error message: E: Release file for http://ftp.debian.skynet.be/ftp/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease is expired (invalid since 5d 10h 16min 1s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 19:08.40 | Brigo | adm001mi, did you try another server? may be a server fault. |
| 19:08.49 | adm001mi | will try... |
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| 19:10.55 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: ftp.be.debian.org seems to be current. skynet is definitely behind. |
| 19:10.56 | ghostlines | I was trying reinstalling wheezy, I downloaded 7.7 but at the kernel install part I get a hash sum mismatch. Does this mean I just got unlucky and should redownload an iso? |
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| 19:11.18 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: Always checksum the iso to make sure you got all of it. |
| 19:11.19 | adm001mi | kk... will try |
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| 19:11.46 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: That's the first thing to check. |
| 19:11.51 | adm001mi | how can you tell jhutchins wk? |
| 19:11.58 | Gforce | Hey there.I don't know if it's the right place to ask.Any way!Why even with setting "stop seeding at ratio = 0" in transmission still uploads? |
| 19:12.02 | ghostlines | jhutchins_wk cool will try it again then check the hash |
| 19:12.03 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 19:12.08 | marvin-hh | jhutchins_wk: trust me, Skynet is coming along just nicely. |
| 19:12.22 | adm001mi | aight thx will keep that status link in mind |
| 19:12.39 | Brigo | Gforce, i think 0 == never |
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| 19:13.02 | jhutchins_wk | marvin-hh: ftp.debian.skynet.be |
| 19:13.09 | marvin-hh | jhutchins_wk: it was a joke. |
| 19:13.10 | jhutchins_wk | marvin-hh: Hasn't updated since the 11th. |
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| 19:13.30 | jhutchins_wk | marvin-hh: I sure wish I could subscribe to skytv here. |
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| 19:13.59 | marvin-hh | jhutchins_wk: I am sure you can get whatever cable TV globally. |
| 19:14.01 | Gforce | Brigo:yes!And i don't wanna seed.(Not allowed).But it still uploads.i don't know if it is seeding or not. |
| 19:14.06 | marvin-hh | jhutchins_wk: there is just a price tag on it. |
| 19:14.24 | adm001mi | http://paste.debian.net/133313/ a new issue... it can't find the location... 404 |
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| 19:15.11 | ghostlines | jhutchins_wk the md5 has is the same. I guess something when wrong when writing the bootable disk |
| 19:15.15 | Brigo | Gforce, i hope nobody can set it to 0, it is a sharing service. |
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| 19:15.53 | Gforce | Brigo:Sure!But I'm not allowed to seed.(I really don't know why.) |
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| 19:16.10 | Brigo | Gforce, why not? |
| 19:16.34 | Gforce | Brigo:Idiot sysadmin. |
| 19:17.11 | Brigo | Gforce, check this link: https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12315 |
| 19:18.07 | berceanu_ | hi, any recommendations for a new laptop? |
| 19:18.14 | centrx | Lenovo |
| 19:18.18 | adm001mi | Toshiba |
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| 19:18.32 | Brigo | Debian. :) |
| 19:18.40 | berceanu_ | hahaha |
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| 19:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: So is it installed successfully and just not updated? |
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| 19:21.00 | ghostlines | jhutchins_wk install failed because of a kernel hash sum mismatch. I then checked the hash of the iso I downloaded to double check. Guess the creating the bootable disk didn't go good |
| 19:21.43 | Gforce | Brigo: That's what I already did.I guess that upload bandwidth must be because of requests.Am I right? |
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| 19:22.04 | Brigo | Gforce, not suer. |
| 19:22.08 | Brigo | sure* |
| 19:22.13 | adm001mi | Brigo, jhutchins wk, wot do you guys think about http://paste.debian.net/133313/ |
| 19:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: That's a pretty specific error. I'm not sure a bad burn would cause it. |
| 19:22.49 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: Just to clarify, it's attempting to install the kernel from the disk, not update it from the network? |
| 19:22.51 | Brigo | that ip is weird, i think: IP: 2a01:70:ffff:1::2 |
| 19:22.53 | Gforce | Brigo:Know a channel or s.th about this stuff? |
| 19:23.04 | Brigo | Gforce, no, sorry. |
| 19:23.20 | Gforce | Brigo:ÙThank you. |
| 19:23.28 | Brigo | Gforce, yw :) |
| 19:23.29 | ghostlines | jhutchins_wk correct from the bootable disk I created. I'll double check I might just remove the network cable as well :) |
| 19:24.20 | jhutchins_wk | Gforce: transmission support is likely to be forums/mailing lists. |
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| 19:25.14 | adm001mi | Brigo, my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/133314/ |
| 19:25.20 | Gforce | jhutchins_wk:Thank you.If you mean the channel, I meant the channel about protocols like torrent. |
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| 19:26.05 | Brigo | can you reach ftp.be.debian.org with a ping? |
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| 19:26.38 | adm001mi | yes... mirror.as35701.net (195.234.45.114) |
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| 19:27.09 | ghostlines | it's saying failed to fetch from cdrom[Debian .... ] but I think it means the bootable drive I'm using to install strange.. |
| 19:27.21 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: You have to connect to a web server to get a 404. |
| 19:27.45 | adm001mi | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.be.debian.org/ftp/debian/dists/jessie-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2a01:70:ffff:1::2 80] |
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| 19:28.04 | Brigo | adm001mi, using a ftp client? |
| 19:28.22 | adm001mi | Brigo, you mean if I currently use one? |
| 19:28.24 | eblip | ipv6 address |
| 19:28.41 | adm001mi | that I don't |
| 19:28.42 | Brigo | adm001mi, yes. |
| 19:29.17 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: ftp has been shut down on (almost?) all of the servers. |
| 19:29.19 | Brigo | adm001mi, you can try to open that link in a web brownser |
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| 19:29.51 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: I get a 404 on it too. |
| 19:30.17 | Brigo | i think this ftp before debian is the problem |
| 19:30.25 | adm001mi | Brigo, 2a01:70:ffff:1? Sends me straight to google... |
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| 19:30.49 | Brigo | adm001mi, the the ip is righ, my fault :) |
| 19:31.00 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: No: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 19:31.09 | Brigo | the right line is: http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages |
| 19:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: Many of the servers are still named something like ftp.debian.org - in fact, those addresses relay to actual mirrors. |
| 19:31.27 | Brigo | withot ftp after .org/ |
| 19:31.48 | Brigo | not i am not talking about the leading ftp, but the other one |
| 19:31.55 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: I see that. |
| 19:32.09 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: Could you pastebin your sources.list please? |
| 19:32.18 | Brigo | that link is right |
| 19:32.37 | adm001mi | jhutchins wk, http://paste.debian.net/133314/ |
| 19:33.00 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: He's getting a 404 on http://ftp.be.debian.org jessie/contrib as well though - no trailing ftp there. |
| 19:33.09 | Brigo | not me. |
| 19:33.35 | adm001mi | I did change internet-provider today... but if that were the point... I wouldn't be here... |
| 19:33.43 | Brigo | at least with the link he has posted. |
| 19:34.12 | atannus | Where should I place .pem files such that ssh will automatically use them? |
| 19:35.03 | atannus | I'm looking at /etc/ssh/ssh_config but it is mostly commented, in particular the default key names id_rsa and id_dsa. |
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| 19:35.41 | adm001mi | I think I know what it is... like Brigo said about the ftp after .org/ |
| 19:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: I would remove the /ftp from your sources list and try again. |
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| 19:36.12 | adm001mi | it's because during install while using ftp.debian.skynet.be it was generated that way |
| 19:36.14 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: so http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ |
| 19:36.36 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: From ftp://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 19:36.58 | adm001mi | aight thx mate |
| 19:37.03 | adm001mi | will try that now |
| 19:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | adm001mi: Also https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 19:37.55 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: The commented entries are compiled defaults. |
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| 19:38.39 | adm001mi | yep the headers are coming in again! |
| 19:39.03 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: hmm. So I get these pem files from different ec2 instances, can I get ssh to "know" where they all are? Is ~/.ssh/config the only way? |
| 19:40.02 | adm001mi | thx guys... now I can also run skype and wine again... libaudio2 had some issues... |
| 19:42.14 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: Not sure what you're trying to do, I'm familiar with rsa/dsa keypairs for ssh/scp. |
| 19:42.38 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: pem files sounds more like ssl/tls. |
| 19:42.50 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: It is a private rsa key in a file called key.pem |
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| 19:43.15 | adm001mi | the reason why I needed the apt-get initially... I'm trying to connected to my printer shared on a windows 8 box... |
| 19:43.26 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: I see many such files in /etc/ssl. |
| 19:43.35 | owen1 | is it possible to listen to the release of the 'End' key? i found this online: while xinput --query-state 5 | grep -Flq 'button[9]=up' but i don't know what should be the replacemnet for button[9] for the 'End' key. |
| 19:43.36 | atannus | But it is an rsa private key... |
| 19:43.55 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: Are you trying to do something like this? http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/AccessingInstancesLinux.html |
| 19:44.03 | Walex | owen1: 'xev' |
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| 19:44.38 | xreal | Sorry for asking, but it IS correct, that here is *no* Upstart package in Debian 7, or is it? I reinstalled my vserver from an image and there's still "upstart" installed. |
| 19:44.42 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: yeah, something like that, but I don't want to give ssh the identity file every time. |
| 19:44.48 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: I would guess that it could just go in ~/.ssh, but there are docs. |
| 19:45.21 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: nope... I tried placing it there, setting permissions, removing the extension... |
| 19:45.54 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: I guess you need to match the host with the key file in ~/.ssh/cconfig |
| 19:46.15 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: why don't I have to do that for the other keys? |
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| 19:46.57 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: I mean, I've never had issues with this. I just place private keys in .ssh/foo and it sees them. |
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| 19:47.25 | atannus | (sometimes chmod is necessary, these files must be user-only readable...) |
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| 19:49.35 | greycat | The permissions on the files created by ssh-keygen should be correct by default. |
| 19:49.35 | xreal | Sorry for asking, but it IS correct, that here is *no* Upstart package in Debian 7, or is it? I reinstalled my vserver from an image and there's still "upstart" installed. |
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| 19:50.02 | valdyn | judd: versions upstart |
| 19:50.03 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-4; sid: 1.11-4 |
| 19:50.04 | atannus | greycat: they generally are. |
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| 19:50.07 | greycat | xreal: there is an upstart packages available, but not installed by default |
| 19:50.12 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: My guess is that you need to use a specific private key for a given host, not your default private key. |
| 19:50.27 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: I believe another way to handle this is with a key agent. |
| 19:50.29 | xreal | greycat: okay, let's uninstall it. |
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| 19:50.41 | xreal | greycat: apt-get remove --purge upstart ? |
| 19:50.42 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: that makes some sense. |
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| 19:51.14 | greycat | I have no experience either installing or removing upstart, so I don't know. |
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| 19:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: You should also make sure the keyfile has the correct permissions. |
| 19:51.44 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: it does. |
| 19:51.59 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: using the -v(vv) option, or raising the log level on the server can be very informative as well. |
| 19:52.12 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: it's usually not rocket science... I've done this over and over and it always works fine. |
| 19:52.12 | valdyn | owen1: you can try "xinput --test <id>" |
| 19:52.25 | valdyn | owen1: but a key release happens on each autorepeat, not sure you want that |
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| 19:56.05 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: You want the syntax host <myhost\nuser <userid>\nIdentityFile <path/to/file>\n |
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| 19:57.24 | xreal | I've uninstalled "upstart" and now "shutdown", "halt" and "reboot" are gone. Is this normal? |
| 19:57.56 | valdyn | xreal: whatever provided those commands before was uninstalled when you installed upstart |
| 19:58.07 | xreal | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/upstart/filelist |
| 19:58.09 | xreal | wtf... |
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| 19:58.17 | xreal | Why the hell has Debian 7.7 upstart installed? |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | because whoever installed your system chose to do that |
| 19:58.44 | valdyn | xreal: because *you* installed it |
| 19:58.47 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: I believe you could rename the file "id_rsa" if that is the only private key you use. |
| 19:58.57 | xreal | valdyn: it's a pre-configured vps. |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | valdyn: no, someone else installed his system (it's a VPS or something) |
| 19:59.00 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: Then it would load automatically for any connection. |
| 19:59.06 | xreal | okay, let start recovering the whole thing. |
| 19:59.12 | valdyn | xreal: maybe its not even debian |
| 19:59.19 | xreal | valdyn: it is, I've checked it. |
| 19:59.20 | atannus | jhutchins_wk: no, that does not work either. |
| 19:59.26 | greycat | xreal: on my regular Debian 7 system, /sbin/shutdown is in the sysvinit package. |
| 19:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: Why should d7 NOT use upstart? |
| 19:59.39 | xreal | greycat: yeah, let me try |
| 19:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | !upstart |
| 19:59.44 | dpkg | Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. https://wiki.debian.org/Upstart http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ #upstart on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:59.59 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: I thought, it's Ubuntu only? |
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| 20:00.14 | valdyn | xreal: its *default* in ubuntu only |
| 20:00.23 | xreal | valdyn: yeah, so it has nothing to do in d7 |
| 20:00.28 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: No, used across several installations. |
| 20:00.42 | valdyn | xreal: its probably not a bad choice even if its not default |
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| 20:00.45 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but it's not default. |
| 20:01.05 | xreal | valdyn: has systemd been backported? :) |
| 20:01.27 | greycat | xreal: apt-cache show systemd |
| 20:01.27 | valdyn | xreal: theres a systemd package in wheezy |
| 20:01.48 | xreal | 204-14~bpo70+1 in backports, sounds pretty new |
| 20:01.58 | xreal | let's give it a try |
| 20:02.04 | xreal | sudo apt-get install systemd |
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| 20:02.07 | xreal | whoops |
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| 20:02.40 | xreal | Interesting, it wants to install "python-cairo" ... |
| 20:02.44 | jhutchins_wk | Some would argue that systemd isn't even finished yet... |
| 20:02.46 | xreal | Perhaps for report generation? |
| 20:03.03 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, but since the system is messed up anyway :) |
| 20:03.10 | greycat | I think "not finished" is the default state for most Linux software. |
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| 20:03.40 | centrx | I think you mean "never-ending adventure" |
| 20:04.54 | xreal | Is there even a way to (re)install sysvinit? :D |
| 20:05.07 | jhutchins_wk | There's also "anything fully documented in Linux is also deprecated and obsolete". |
| 20:05.43 | greycat | xreal: it's a package, so presumably you can install it. |
| 20:05.55 | xreal | greycat: no, apt-get install sys... doesn't work :( |
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| 20:06.02 | xreal | greycat: no candidate found |
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| 20:06.21 | greycat | that's very strange. it's a standard wheezy package. |
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| 20:06.56 | jhutchins_wk | Perhaps the provider has dedicated repositories? |
| 20:07.00 | xreal | I'm on ftp.de.debian.org |
| 20:07.18 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: You could just use upstart. |
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| 20:07.53 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: I don't want that, sorry. I want to recover a normal minimal debian. |
| 20:07.58 | xreal | And not something mixed... |
| 20:08.17 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: Since upstart is the newer technology, sysv to upstart would be an upgrade, upstart to sysv a downgrade, and debian doesn't do downgrades. |
| 20:08.38 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: I would expect to have to do a clean sysv install. |
| 20:08.48 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but I wonder how to do this :) |
| 20:08.51 | greycat | Upstart may be "newer" but that doesn't mean it's better. There's a reason most other people are bypassing upstart and jumping straight to systemd. |
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| 20:09.29 | jhutchins_wk | I must say I ran upstart for several months and the only thing I notices was that it booted faster. |
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| 20:09.56 | greycat | Also, dpkg the bot says systemd is going to be the default in jessie. |
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| 20:11.55 | hjolt | has anyone encountered this error before? xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session. I get it when I try to start a custom gnome-session with i3 as the window manager |
| 20:12.38 | oo_miguel | pvdisplay reports a size of 2TiB but it was created over a 200GB raid. How could this have happened? |
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| 20:12.46 | xreal | I've installed systemd now... |
| 20:12.50 | xreal | let's try it |
| 20:12.59 | oo_miguel | can I fix it somehow? Or maybe I am just misunderstaning something |
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| 20:13.47 | oo_miguel | Can someone have a look at the numbers, please? Here: especially size of my md0 array and the physical volume on top of it: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/81bd5659 |
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| 20:17.41 | xreal | How can I find out, which packages included "last" from /usr/bin/last ? |
| 20:17.59 | greycat | xreal: dpkg -S filename |
| 20:18.13 | xreal | greycat: thx |
| 20:18.14 | greycat | (for me, it's in sysvinit-utils) |
| 20:18.23 | xreal | greycat: okay, so it's not part of systemd |
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| 20:18.45 | greycat | If you want to know which packages that are NOT installed can provide it, you can check packages.debian.org or ask one of the bots here. |
| 20:19.02 | xreal | ok |
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| 20:22.52 | mebus | Hi! Can anybody help me debugging this debian problem: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=drAfeZCi ? |
| 20:23.44 | xreal | Sorry for asking again. I've added backports to sources.list and used "apt-get update", but apt still has downloaded the normal wheezy binary. How can I force it to backports? |
| 20:24.20 | somiaj | xreal: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install foo |
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| 20:24.27 | mebus | escpecially "getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1,5900): Address family for hostname not supported" !? |
| 20:24.51 | xreal | somiaj: E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 20:25.31 | xreal | somiaj: ah, fixed it |
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| 20:29.03 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: There are instructions to that effect on the backports web page. |
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| 20:29.33 | hjolt | has anyone encountered this error before? xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session. I get it when I try to start a custom gnome-session with i3 as the window manager |
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| 20:30.49 | xreal | Ah, I think, "upstart" got installed because of OpenVZ - is this possible? |
| 20:31.20 | greycat | It was installed because your VPS provider installed it. |
| 20:31.58 | xreal | greycat: yeah, but perhaps the control panel or something works with upstart only |
| 20:32.09 | greycat | That doesn't make much sense. |
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| 20:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | upstart might have resolved some startup race condition the provider had problems with. |
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| 20:38.03 | greycat | I'm still going with the theory that the provider was more familiar with Ubuntu, so he or she installed upstart. Same reason why my ISP provider installed sendmail. |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | err, VPS not ISP |
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| 20:39.51 | HelloShitty | hi |
| 20:40.08 | HelloShitty | Does anyone knows how to make java work in Google Chrome? |
| 20:40.13 | HelloShitty | I'm using Debian Jessie |
| 20:40.18 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I would guess that that's at least a good part of the reason. |
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| 20:40.42 | HelloShitty | And when I try to check my java version with my Google Chrome, it only says the plugin is not supported |
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| 20:42.05 | xreal | Does "udev" need to run on a virtualized server? |
| 20:42.27 | greycat | Apparently not, because my VPS is not running it, or at least it's not visible in ps. |
| 20:42.48 | xreal | okay, let me uninstall it and see what's happening. |
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| 20:42.57 | greycat | I suppose it depends on what manner of virtualization it's using. |
| 20:43.19 | xreal | removing udev will also remove "initramfs-tools libpam-systemd mountall plymouth systemd systemd-sysv" ... |
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| 20:45.37 | HelloShitty | hi |
| 20:45.47 | HelloShitty | Does anyone knows how to make java work in Google Chrome? |
| 20:45.55 | HelloShitty | I'm using Debian Jessie |
| 20:46.05 | HelloShitty | And when I try to check my java version with my Google Chrome, it only says the plugin is not supported |
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| 20:52.17 | dimitry7 | hi guys |
| 20:52.22 | dimitry7 | i need to do a scan with |
| 20:52.36 | dimitry7 | openvas |
| 20:53.11 | dimitry7 | i have configure the target & task, but it finishes in 30 seconds and shows nothing |
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| 20:53.17 | dimitry7 | any help? thank you! |
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| 20:56.31 | xreal | Is it possible to reinstall a running Debian without access to grub? |
| 20:56.31 | RoyK | dimitry7: openvas is a bit slow, but very thorough |
| 20:56.38 | mtn | HelloShitty: chrome has changed how plugins work and plugins that work in firefox/iceweasel, will not work in chrome. I assume the chrome site would have info about it. |
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| 20:56.54 | HelloShitty | ok |
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| 20:56.58 | HelloShitty | I'll try to search |
| 20:57.01 | dimitry7 | RoyK, yes, expect it to delay a little bit more, it just finishes instantly and the report has nothing |
| 20:57.02 | HelloShitty | more |
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| 20:57.56 | feitingen | what is going on, this is the second time this week i did apt-get upgrade and aptitude is gonna be downgraded? |
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| 20:59.12 | RoyK | dimitry7: that doesn't seem like what I've seen from openvas |
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| 20:59.41 | dimitry7 | RoyK, I know. See... let me tell you what I do.. |
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| 21:00.13 | dimitry7 | RoyK, in the configuracion menu I have created a host... IP/port list. |
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| 21:00.43 | RoyK | dimitry7: the default port list should do well |
| 21:00.43 | dimitry7 | RoyK, Then I go tho the tasks section I create a new one for the host, and then I click start |
| 21:00.52 | dimitry7 | RoyK, yes, in the default |
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| 21:01.17 | dimitry7 | RoyK, Then I do startn, and it shows the STATUS as... REQUESTED |
| 21:01.38 | dimitry7 | Then I refresh (just after10 seconds) and it says Donw! |
| 21:01.41 | dimitry7 | Done! |
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| 21:02.19 | dimitry7 | what do you think is wrong |
| 21:02.33 | xreal | How can I disable agetty? I don't see any use on a virtual server. |
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| 21:03.34 | greycat | edit /etc/inittab and then run "telinit q" ? |
| 21:03.47 | xreal | /etc/inittab is emty |
| 21:03.49 | greycat | or does that not work in whichever boot system you've ended up with |
| 21:03.49 | xreal | empty* |
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| 21:04.56 | RoyK | greycat: inittab isn't used anymore |
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| 21:05.28 | hrnz | RoyK: yes it is (at least by proper init systems) |
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| 21:06.10 | RoyK | hrnz: oh - on wheezy it is - sorry - I was checking on an ubuntu system |
| 21:06.33 | RoyK | xreal: what distro? |
| 21:06.52 | xreal | Rockj: Wheezy 7.7, but the admin messed up everythingas it seems. |
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| 21:07.26 | qman | xreal: upstart doesn't use inittab, so that's why yours is empty |
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| 21:08.39 | xreal | hmm, there is /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants |
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| 21:09.02 | xreal | this might work: systemctl mask getty@tty2.service |
| 21:09.23 | greycat | RoyK: as background, he's got a VPS that someone installed for him, alledgedly Debian 7.7, but it had upstart, and he has been adding and removing packages... |
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| 21:09.39 | greycat | wow, how did I misspell allegedly so badly... |
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| 21:10.24 | xreal | One of two agetty-entries are gone :) |
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| 21:18.03 | dimitry7 | RoyK, |
| 21:18.22 | RoyK | dimitry7, |
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| 21:19.09 | dimitry7 | :( |
| 21:19.11 | dimitry7 | still the same |
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| 21:28.50 | medecau | Good evening |
| 21:29.05 | medecau | Iâve installed debian on a macbook 4,1 |
| 21:29.09 | medecau | it wonât boot |
| 21:29.22 | medecau | claims thereâs OS |
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| 21:30.01 | medecau | Iâve been fighting with it the whole weekend and today without any success |
| 21:30.49 | bazhang | NO os? |
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| 21:31.28 | jhutchins_wk | !efi |
| 21:31.28 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 21:31.53 | jhutchins_wk | !mac |
| 21:31.53 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>. |
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| 21:32.30 | medecau | jhutchins_wk: this is all somewhat relevant |
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| 21:33.51 | medecau | I installed debian 7.7, so it should be booting. I assume |
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| 21:34.06 | satche | Hello |
| 21:34.16 | satche | I need to make a choice. About tiling WM |
| 21:34.25 | satche | What are you guys using and why ?? |
| 21:34.26 | medecau | Is there any special incantation I need to do? |
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| 21:35.21 | vook | medecau: did you install refit on the mac side? |
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| 21:36.19 | jhutchins_wk | medecau: I would read the appropriate links above (/msg dpkg <link>) and see generally what the step necessary to get 7.7 on a mac is. It's not too hard, but you have to know what to do. |
| 21:37.07 | eblip | satche....it depends what you want from a WM...i mean if you want all singing and daning and highly configurable then it has to be awesome |
| 21:37.17 | eblip | awesome wm |
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| 21:37.48 | eblip | i ahve gone for xmonad this time....as its not as beautiful as awesome ...but once configured its rock solid |
| 21:37.49 | satche | eblip: I heard of it, but it seems a bit complicated to configure (and search doc because of the name.) |
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| 21:38.07 | medecau | vook: I did but I think it was overwritten during installation |
| 21:38.13 | eblip | yes its a bit all over the pl;ace to configure ....but you can find some videos on you tube |
| 21:38.30 | eblip | and just go through them |
| 21:38.33 | eblip | an your done |
| 21:38.55 | satche | eblip: Awesome have a huge difference with i3 ? |
| 21:38.57 | eblip | you have to alter a lua file and that...but you just do exaclty what it says on the video ..and your done |
| 21:39.02 | eblip | i3 is rubbish |
| 21:39.12 | eblip | installed it the other day to test ti |
| 21:39.19 | eblip | there are some major issues.. |
| 21:39.28 | satche | Really ? |
| 21:39.33 | eblip | the pros are it is easy to install and easy to use |
| 21:40.00 | eblip | the cons are ....if you like browsing on full screen...then you wont be able to have your bookmarks right ther on the screeen |
| 21:40.11 | eblip | you have to call up the bookmarks menu |
| 21:40.16 | eblip | then select the folder |
| 21:40.35 | eblip | then finally the bookmark....if you surf like an animal then this is a VERY BIG NO NO |
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| 21:40.55 | eblip | also if you were say cutting a piece of code or text from a browser window on i3. |
| 21:41.05 | eblip | you cant scroll to get the whole lot of text you need |
| 21:41.16 | eblip | so you have to cut a page then paste it into your doc. |
| 21:41.21 | feitingen | satche: awesome lives up to its name for me |
| 21:41.28 | eblip | then you have to go back to hte browser scroll the screen....and cut some more |
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| 21:41.38 | eblip | and keep doing htat until you have copied what you need |
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| 21:41.56 | eblip | based on these issues i think i3 is a terrible choice that slows you down massively |
| 21:42.11 | eblip | awesome can do anything and everything.... |
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| 21:42.34 | eblip | the only reason i have gone for xmonad this time is ....when i used awesome last time ...it occasionally locked up |
| 21:42.37 | Okitain | oh thank goodness you weren't talking about Intel i3 |
| 21:42.44 | satche | Well, it confirms what I've heard elsewhere |
| 21:42.51 | eblip | no ..i think intel is amazing |
| 21:43.02 | feitingen | eblip: your messages now covers almost half my irc window, would you mind going a bit easier on the return key? |
| 21:43.16 | eblip | so i cant afford to have my ssytem lock up under any circumstance......... |
| 21:43.29 | eblip | good geitingen ...as im the only one speaking so i expect it would |
| 21:44.54 | mtn | !enter |
| 21:44.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:44.57 | eblip | so top and bottom of it....awesome wm is my favorite...but for stability and simplicity and understanding...this time i am going xmonad...even though it doesnt seem as glorious as awesome wm |
| 21:45.31 | feitingen | eblip: if you're into monologues, may i suggest a singleplayer irc substitute like vim or emacs? |
| 21:45.42 | eblip | no im not into monologues |
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| 21:46.42 | abrotman | recommends tritium |
| 21:46.45 | abrotman | hides from stew |
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| 21:47.07 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 21:48.26 | eblip | look feitingen....nobody is speaking so whats the big deal ....i seriously dont get it |
| 21:48.36 | feitingen | abrotman: shame to see it has the same issue with java windows, it's what keeping me from using awesome |
| 21:48.43 | teraflops | eblip: sorry, youre wrong in about the 90% in what you said, no offense dude |
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| 21:49.11 | eblip | speaking from expereince thats all ..and its definitely right...i3 is pretty useless really |
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| 21:49.32 | abrotman | feitingen: same issue? |
| 21:50.28 | feitingen | abrotman: the old java management guis won't resize for me :/ |
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| 21:51.25 | feitingen | that is, they resize, but the window content don't resize, i didn't spend too much energy figuring out why |
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| 21:51.33 | eblip | so no offence taken teraflops ...as its you that is wrong ...so no offence back to you |
| 21:51.53 | dimitry7 | still the same |
| 21:51.55 | dimitry7 | RoyK, |
| 21:51.58 | dimitry7 | :( |
| 21:52.21 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 21:53.08 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a decent music manager that works with Android? Preferably not Gnome/KDE dependent. |
| 21:53.37 | teraflops | there are mpd clients for android jhutchins_wk |
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| 21:59.20 | touki | Hi, I have the feeling that the default compression system on gnome-debian is quite slow. Isn't it true? |
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| 21:59.24 | touki | Any ideas? |
| 21:59.38 | OSVG | gzip? |
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| 22:00.47 | valdyn | touki: which compression system? |
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| 22:01.37 | jhutchins_wk | touki: There are endless benchmarks comparing them. Which particular one are you thinking of? |
| 22:02.00 | jhutchins_wk | touki: I think I have ~9 available on my system. |
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| 22:03.45 | touki | No constraints, No preferences. |
| 22:04.08 | touki | Which one seems you the best ratio speed / compression |
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| 22:04.25 | valdyn | touki: we dont have an idea what you are talking about, we dont know what you mean with "default" |
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| 22:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | touki: For what? |
| 22:05.18 | jhutchins_wk | touki: Generally gzip is accepted as the best speed/compression compromise, but it depends entirely on what you're using it for. |
| 22:05.21 | bazhang | touki whats the default in your mind |
| 22:05.39 | touki | I'm using gzip |
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| 22:05.48 | touki | I'm trying to zip a .sql file |
| 22:05.50 | `Kevin | id use pigz if you are cpu bound |
| 22:06.24 | `Kevin | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/pigz |
| 22:06.28 | touki | the sql file is quite large (9 gigas), I have to send it through ftp. |
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| 22:08.10 | jhutchins_wk | touki: You could use the splitting feature of zip or rar. |
| 22:08.13 | bazhang | ftp? |
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| 22:08.24 | ksk | touki: we use pigz for sqldumps over here, too. give it a try |
| 22:08.38 | touki | ksk:thanks |
| 22:08.46 | `Kevin | sighs :P |
| 22:08.59 | touki | thanks also ;) |
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| 22:09.05 | ksk | :D |
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| 22:15.48 | grok | question: when i choose not to install a desktop with debian installer, why does it also not install networking? networking works fine during the installation process, but isn't alive after i boot into the new installation and try to use apt-get. |
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| 22:16.21 | jhutchins_wk | grok: Wireless? |
| 22:16.29 | grok | yes |
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| 22:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | Probably needs non-free firmware, Debian puts freedom ahead of function. |
| 22:17.00 | grok | i seem to recall that it did the same with hardwired connection, though. but i could be mistaken. |
| 22:17.03 | jhutchins_wk | grok: Easy to fix. |
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| 22:17.37 | jhutchins_wk | grok: Same could be true, although it's rarer. |
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| 22:18.07 | jhutchins_wk | grok: If your interface is supported by free software the installer does set it up. |
| 22:18.39 | grok | if i install a desktop, it works out of the box. |
| 22:18.42 | dominik | hey guys, anyone of you guys knows, why when updating to the latest debian unstable cryptsetup apparently did not get included in my initramfs ? |
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| 22:19.12 | dominik | after updating to my new kernel, at least the cryptsetup prompt that normally asks me to decrypt my drive doesn't show up anymore. |
| 22:19.20 | dominik | any hints on why this happened would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 22:20.08 | grok | just for the sake of argument, what would i need to install from a local repo to enable networking on an installation without X? |
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| 22:20.49 | lg188 | Hello, I got some dependancy problem with systemd (jessie) |
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| 22:21.21 | valdyn | grok: wicd-curses + whatever firmware you are missing |
| 22:21.24 | lg188 | LSB dependency* |
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| 22:22.28 | valdyn | dominik: check the bts |
| 22:22.47 | grok | valdyn: ok, thanks. i'll just download the packages on another computer and install it by hand. thanks you jhutchins_wk too. |
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| 22:23.29 | valdyn | grok: + dependencies |
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| 22:24.20 | grok | valdyn: how to find out dependencies, other than read installation error messages? |
| 22:24.57 | jhutchins_wk | grok: NP. WiFi is more likely to use proprietary firmware; laptops more likely to use wifi. |
| 22:25.09 | valdyn | grok: if what? you strictly speaking dont need wicd-curses |
| 22:25.16 | valdyn | grok: *of* what? you strictly speaking dont need wicd-curses |
| 22:25.17 | jhutchins_wk | grok: Has to do with locking down the radios according to local regulations. |
| 22:25.18 | KaaK | grok, apt-cache show <package> will show you lots of details (including dependencies) of <pacakge> |
| 22:25.45 | jhutchins_wk | grok: Sorry. |
| 22:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | dominik: see previous. |
| 22:25.52 | valdyn | grok: you can also just grab the firmware and probably nothing else and connect "manually" |
| 22:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | Or I am totally confused now. This is what happens when I listen to music with lyrics while working. |
| 22:26.35 | grok | ok, thanks for the timely help, guys. yep, probably just a firmware issue. but now i know the whole thing in case i ever need it. |
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| 22:27.26 | grok | KaaK: appreciated. |
| 22:27.28 | DICCON | film |
| 22:27.31 | dominik | valdyn: thanks, where you referring to bug #768407 ? |
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| 22:29.04 | valdyn | dominik: i just know theres a recent bug with cryptsetup + systemd. Theres a patch to systemd, theres also a bug report to systemd |
| 22:29.11 | valdyn | dominik: i dont know which exactly |
| 22:30.13 | dominik | valdyn: ok, I'll check that then. Thanks for the pointer! |
| 22:30.13 | jhutchins_wk | Probably waiting on the replacement systemd-crypt module. |
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| 22:38.16 | nutron | after holding a package. (which it's been quite some time since I've had to do this) ... can you tell me if it'll hold back all of its supporting dependencies as well? |
| 22:38.29 | nutron | or do I have to specifically do that by hand as well. |
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| 22:45.33 | fdef | hello, i upgrade my debian/sid tonight, and gdm/gnome-shell don't recongonise my keyboard and mouse :( |
| 22:45.50 | fdef | anybody have the same problem |
| 22:45.51 | fdef | ? |
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| 22:50.04 | ctmjr | fdef, you can get help with sid in debian-next on the oftc network |
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| 23:04.40 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 23:05.15 | marioxcc | How can I copy a proper subset of a tree of files while keeping the tree structure (CP doesn't preserves the tree structure unless I copy a whole tree)? |
| 23:07.38 | choupy | marioxcc: maybe look into rsync? |
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| 23:08.11 | marioxcc | choupy: Is there a way to make rsync make a hard link to the files? |
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| 23:09.06 | choupy | probably, you'd have to read the man though |
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| 23:09.36 | choupy | --link-dest=DIR hardlink to files in DIR when unchanged |
| 23:09.37 | choupy | or something |
| 23:09.44 | marioxcc | yes, I just found about that |
| 23:09.50 | marioxcc | well, thanks for the help. |
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| 23:09.51 | choupy | or H |
| 23:09.54 | choupy | np |
| 23:09.59 | marioxcc | no, -H doesn't do that |
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| 23:24.26 | Illyasviel | What could break in an upgrade to testing? |
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| 23:25.22 | centrx | Gnome |
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| 23:26.36 | Illyasviel | How can i connect to wifi without the gui? |
| 23:26.56 | Freemason | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuhPFFIc60#t=45 |
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| 23:47.21 | xreal | Is there a way to reset a debian installation back to minimal ? |
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| 23:50.34 | owen1 | Walex: regarding watching the release of my 'Home' key, that's what xev tells me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9222819/ |
| 23:50.44 | rudi_s | xreal: No automatic way. You can install a clean one in a chroot and remove the additional packages. |
| 23:50.50 | rudi_s | Simple solution: reinstall |
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| 23:52.43 | owen1 | valdyn: i need to listen to the release of 'Home' key, and when i detect it i'll run: xdotool mouseup 1 |
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| 23:56.34 | Gunni | i have an issue with the ACL filesystem 'thing', this directory is out of sync somehow and i want to find out why/how and how to prevent it: https://gist.github.com/Gunni/137fc99e30e9d5c22333 -- all files were placed in this dir with a simple copy, but somehow have different effective permissions but i have no idea why |
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| 23:59.24 | Gunni | Does anyone have any idea what i might be doing wrong? |
| 23:59.47 | xreal | rudi_s: I don't have access to the OpenVZ server, so I can't do this :( |
