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| 00:05.56 | Xenoth | Hello! I'm having an issue with apt on my Beaglebone black. I just flashed a new image to the EMMC, and during `sudo apt-get update` I get "Release file for http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release is expired (invalid since 25d 7h 47min 3s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." |
| 00:06.12 | Xenoth | Is something wrong with my /etc/sources.list? Or is it the mirror? |
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| 00:08.38 | Brigo | Xenoth, what about the system clock? is it synced? |
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| 00:10.42 | Xenoth | Actually, I just checked my HWClock, and it said that it was Jan 1, 2015! |
| 00:10.44 | Xenoth | adjusts it |
| 00:10.49 | Xenoth | There, corrected and synced to the HWclock |
| 00:11.05 | Brigo | try again with the update :) |
| 00:11.15 | tommyF | Xenoth: what is the stock market at? |
| 00:11.23 | Xenoth | Downloading headers now. Hehe, guess I should try to remember about timestamps and it's effect on security.. |
| 00:11.35 | Brigo | you are right :) |
| 00:12.01 | Xenoth | shakes his head |
| 00:12.07 | Xenoth | Well, I can get on with what I was doing I suppose. Thanks. |
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| 00:18.16 | Tau | hello. when i run exec program it just runs as Ssl+ i need to do exec program then it runs as Sl+. |
| 00:18.27 | Tau | so it will be able to set a process group. |
| 00:18.39 | Tau | how could i achieve it? |
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| 00:24.41 | Tau | nevermind. i think i have phrased it incorrectly. |
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| 01:31.14 | ROG3R | I did a manual TRIM and it says "31089926144 bytes were trimmed". How is that possible when the last manual trim was yesterday ? |
| 01:31.44 | ROG3R | 29GB in the last 24h |
| 01:32.02 | ROG3R | doing nothing but browsing |
| 01:35.24 | Simotek-Work | crazy logfiles? |
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| 01:36.36 | tommyF | logfiles of the meds again? |
| 01:36.45 | tommyF | s/of/off |
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| 01:39.12 | ROG3R | the command i used is fstrim -v / |
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| 01:40.17 | Devastator | ROG3R porn? |
| 01:40.30 | ROG3R | Devastator: xvides only |
| 01:40.37 | ROG3R | videos |
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| 01:40.48 | ROG3R | xvideos dot com |
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| 01:40.50 | Devastator | could be it then.. |
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| 01:41.19 | ROG3R | Devastator: wtching youtube and porn , could be it ? |
| 01:41.35 | Devastator | yup |
| 01:41.49 | ROG3R | I see |
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| 01:42.59 | tommyF | why run it to begin with? |
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| 01:43.09 | tommyF | it just ruins ssd drives? |
| 01:43.40 | ROG3R | tommyF: to wipe out any trace of the watched porn? |
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| 01:45.48 | tommyF | sorry but photorec will find it ALL |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | Anyway .. |
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| 01:51.40 | ROG3R | tommyF: on traditional hard drives maybe. but ssd works different |
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| 01:55.56 | tommyF | ROG3R: you might be correct ... a google didn't turn up anything contrary |
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| 02:06.10 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i'm trying to install flashplayer-nonfree but i get wget error any idea http://dpaste.com/0KWEPF1 |
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| 02:07.27 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 02:08.00 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: same error |
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| 02:09.04 | abrotman | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:09.05 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6; sid/contrib: 1:3.6 |
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| 02:10.52 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/2XCFMKF |
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| 02:11.36 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: can you resolve that host manually? |
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| 02:12.00 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: nop |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: seems fine here |
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| 02:14.39 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/2NGSG1G |
| 02:14.49 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: :( strange |
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| 02:15.34 | abrotman | not sure what to tell you, works fine here |
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| 02:16.30 | tommyF | dns problem |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | tommyF: They're resolving. |
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| 02:36.25 | beltorak | is there a way I can run a custom script when i update or install a package? |
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| 02:38.26 | abrotman | beltorak: not sure of the postinst hooks could do that |
| 02:40.08 | beltorak | :( ok; let me back up then; I need to replace kscreenlocker_greet with a shell script that runs "xscreenlocker-command -lock", but don't want to have to worry about kde updates "reverting" my mod |
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| 02:41.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell beltorak about divert |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | beltorak: maybe? |
| 02:42.56 | beltorak | that looks interesting; i'll take a look; thanks |
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| 02:44.05 | beltorak | :-/ link is 404; got a better one? |
| 02:44.48 | beltorak | nevermind; that was weird |
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| 02:48.32 | beltorak | ok, that does look like it would be a good solution. now since i am patching debian's (or maybe actually ubuntu's) xscreensaver, I have not been able to figure out how to "patch" the build process to add another ./configure flag, do you know what I would have to do to patch a diversion into my custom xscreensaver package? |
| 02:49.28 | beltorak | or should i create a separate "package" just for the diversion? |
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| 03:01.18 | someHuman | Hello! |
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| 03:02.15 | someHuman | Do I add "contrib non free" at the end of every line that ends with main in /etc/apt/sources.list so I could use nonfree stuff like firmware-ralink? |
| 03:03.05 | dvs | someHuman: it's "contrib non-free" |
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| 03:04.55 | someHuman | Ah |
| 03:04.58 | someHuman | lol |
| 03:05.00 | someHuman | Then what after? |
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| 03:05.20 | someHuman | Also how do I add my current user to the sudoers file? |
| 03:05.37 | dvs | one thing at a time |
| 03:05.38 | someHuman | Why the heck isn't user or normal user added to the sudoers file by default? |
| 03:05.41 | someHuman | Ok |
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| 03:06.10 | dvs | someHuman: for the sources.list thing, do a "apt-get update" and the new package should be availabe to install |
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| 03:07.21 | someHuman | I need to add my current user first though. |
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| 03:07.41 | someHuman | Right now I have to use su - just for me to be able to perform sudo tasks. |
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| 03:07.55 | dvs | someHuman: The easiest way is to add your user to the sudo group |
| 03:08.01 | someHuman | How? |
| 03:08.50 | dvs | someHuman: adduser <user> sudo |
| 03:08.55 | dvs | as root |
| 03:09.16 | someHuman | Ok |
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| 03:09.54 | someHuman | What the fuck?! |
| 03:10.15 | someHuman | Still tells me that it isn't in the sudoers fle. |
| 03:10.23 | someHuman | I've successfully added the user. |
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| 03:11.42 | someHuman | Do I need to log out first or something? |
| 03:12.25 | dvs | yes |
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| 03:14.07 | someHuman | Ah |
| 03:15.04 | marioxcc | Hello. Where can I see the error log of PHP-FPM? |
| 03:16.09 | someHuman | dvs: Here's my current /etc/apt/sources.list file: http://codepad.org/S8Sly0up |
| 03:16.14 | someHuman | BRB. |
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| 03:22.05 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 03:22.25 | someHuman | dvs: Have you seen my file/ |
| 03:22.28 | someHuman | ?* |
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| 03:22.49 | someHuman | Those are the most recent changes? |
| 03:23.56 | tommyF_ | someHuman: your internet file? |
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| 03:26.52 | dvs | someHuman: There's an extra hyphen on line 8 and 10 between "contrib" and "non-free" |
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| 03:29.24 | someHuman | Ah |
| 03:29.29 | someHuman | I'll checl. |
| 03:29.33 | someHuman | check* |
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| 03:31.30 | someHuman | dvs: Then log out or reboot? |
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| 03:33.27 | dvs | someHuman: no, just update again |
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| 03:34.12 | someHuman | Ah ok. |
| 03:35.36 | someHuman | dvs: I still don't see wireless options/icons. |
| 03:36.01 | dvs | someHuman: Did you install the firmware package? |
| 03:36.09 | someHuman | firmware-ralink right? |
| 03:36.19 | dvs | i dunno which one you want |
| 03:36.23 | someHuman | I did "sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink" |
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| 03:36.44 | someHuman | Someone here told me that that is the one I should get. |
| 03:36.54 | dvs | someHuman: Now you have to reboot to see if it worked. |
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| 03:37.29 | someHuman | ok |
| 03:37.47 | someHuman | Is that wifi driver the only nonfree in my system? |
| 03:37.51 | someHuman | I'm a Free Software guy so... |
| 03:38.02 | someHuman | You know, I'm a purist. :) |
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| 03:38.15 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. What are the line endings when I create a file with Perl? (I hope lf.) |
| 03:38.24 | someHuman | ; |
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| 03:38.31 | someHuman | Lady_Aleena: I think it's ; |
| 03:38.37 | dvs | I don't know what you installed on your system. But presumably anything installed from the non-free section is non-free |
| 03:38.41 | Lady_Aleena | someHuman, for text files? |
| 03:39.04 | someHuman | dvs: That's the only nonfree I installed. |
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| 03:39.22 | Lady_Aleena | someHuman, I mean when perl writes to a text file. |
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| 03:40.06 | someHuman | Ah |
| 03:40.07 | Lady_Aleena | s/line endings/new line markers/; # ? |
| 03:40.10 | someHuman | Lady_Aleena: I don't know. |
| 03:40.17 | someHuman | #perl ? |
| 03:40.27 | someHuman | Go to #per. |
| 03:40.30 | someHuman | #perl * |
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| 03:40.40 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: there's a #perl |
| 03:41.12 | Lady_Aleena | someHuman, This is a Debian question. I know Windows's newlines are crlf, I would like to know Debian's. |
| 03:41.24 | someHuman | dvs: According to vrms, only the firmware's nonfree haah! |
| 03:41.26 | someHuman | haha* |
| 03:41.30 | someHuman | Hopefully that's right. |
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| 03:41.56 | someHuman | Because that's the only nonfree I installed since I installed Debian (which was just a few hours ago). |
| 03:44.07 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, #perl isn't the place to find out Debian's default newline marker. |
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| 03:45.02 | Lady_Aleena | CR, LF, CRLF? |
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| 03:46.04 | someHuman | dvs: |
| 03:46.07 | someHuman | dvs: Dude! |
| 03:46.19 | someHuman | dvs: I still don't see wireless connections, still just wired. |
| 03:46.21 | someHuman | -_- |
| 03:47.09 | someHuman | I already rebooted. |
| 03:47.28 | kriskropd | hi guys - so what do you do when you have an IP of someone who tried to stick a worm on your new server? I'm glad I had iptables set up right for this one, but I must admit I'm new to this |
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| 03:47.53 | kriskropd | according to http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2013-112710-1612-99&tabid=2 I'm good - but any suggestions for steps I should take? |
| 03:48.19 | NiLon | send logs to police and let them figure out the rest |
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| 03:48.42 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: wtf, you're asking about perl |
| 03:48.47 | NiLon | or play sherlock |
| 03:49.02 | kriskropd | lol Cyber police? well okay - I already tracked it back to China |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | 22:38 < Lady_Aleena > Hello. What are the line endings when I create a file with Perl? (I hope lf.) |
| 03:49.21 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, I'm not asking about perl, I'm asking what Debian's default newline marker is? Is it CR, CRLF, or LF? |
| 03:49.25 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: how is that Debian specific? Ask #perl, they will know more. |
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| 03:49.47 | NiLon | kriskropd but really, if it's just random attack I don't think there is nothing you can do |
| 03:49.59 | Lady_Aleena | If I create a text file with <insert any programming language here>, what are the newlines? |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: That depends on what you do inside the programming language |
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| 03:50.40 | Blacklite | and usually, the OS |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: alternately, use a hex editor and figure it out yourself. |
| 03:50.57 | someHuman | Dudes! |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | (vi has a hex mode) |
| 03:51.26 | kriskropd | NiLon: you used a double negative and that threw me off - but I'm getting the vibe that this just happens and better to know it got blocked than NOT know it got in |
| 03:51.59 | someHuman | I am trying to use wifi with my new Debian system. Already installed firmware-ralink and still don't see wireless connections. |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | someHuman: did you reboot after intsalling firmware? |
| 03:52.14 | someHuman | Also, there's still only wired connection showing up. |
| 03:52.16 | someHuman | Yup. |
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| 03:52.47 | NiLon | kriskropd yeah that happens sometime, my language can not have double negatives so it's not trained to look for those :P |
| 03:52.56 | NiLon | (native language) |
| 03:53.33 | someHuman | abrotman: What do I do now? |
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| 03:55.01 | kriskropd | NiLon: oh? well you seem to speak English pretty well :) |
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| 03:55.54 | someHuman | Why does Debian ask for a CD ROM? |
| 03:56.00 | someHuman | Does it really need it? |
| 03:56.09 | someHuman | This is like the only distro that asks me for a disc. |
| 03:56.15 | NiLon | kriskropd that's nice compliment given that I have dyslexia on top of that :D |
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| 04:15.40 | someHuman | Help! |
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| 04:16.00 | someHuman | I can't get wireless networking to work on my system. |
| 04:16.11 | someHuman | Yes, I already installed the nonfree firmware. |
| 04:16.18 | someHuman | Still only sees wired connection here. |
| 04:16.19 | ROG3R | does it make any difference if i keep my laptop is weird positions? |
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| 04:16.51 | someHuman | ROG3R: 69? |
| 04:16.54 | someHuman | Missionary? |
| 04:16.59 | someHuman | Reverse cowgirl? |
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| 04:17.44 | binaryhermit | doggy style? |
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| 04:21.48 | someHuman | binaryhermit: Hair style! |
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| 04:22.07 | dondelelcaro | someHuman, binaryhermit: that's not appropriate for #debian. Please stop. |
| 04:22.14 | someHuman | Hehe, sorry. |
| 04:22.22 | someHuman | Why does Debian ask me for a CD? |
| 04:22.51 | someHuman | This is like the only distro that I've used that asks me for a CD. |
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| 04:23.15 | someHuman | E.g. for some packages such as Amarok, I can't download it if it does not see the CD it asks for. |
| 04:23.16 | someHuman | -_- |
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| 04:23.36 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: Hello. Can you help me set up my wireless networking? |
| 04:24.13 | someHuman | I already installed firmware-ralink and I still don't see any wireless options here. |
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| 04:24.18 | someHuman | Only wired shows up. |
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| 04:24.56 | dondelelcaro | someHuman: do you see the device in ip link; output? do you see it in lspci or lsusb? do you see it in dmesg; output? |
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| 04:25.25 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: lspci: 07:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. Device 3290 |
| 04:26.03 | dondelelcaro | someHuman: ok; do you see it in dmesg? |
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| 04:27.11 | ROG3R | I mean, my drive is solid. so it make no difference is i move the laptop around like a mobile phone. right? |
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| 04:27.45 | dondelelcaro | ROG3R: it shouldn't, but not all laptops are well connected inside |
| 04:28.23 | ROG3R | dondelelcaro: ok thx |
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| 04:29.03 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: I don't think so. |
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| 04:31.40 | seeker63 | I am happy to say that I am useing wheezy with a different video card and it is working as I want thanks for all the help |
| 04:32.40 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: I don't think I see it: http://codepad.org/tMGEygBR |
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| 04:35.57 | ROG3R | whats the lighest debian based distro? |
| 04:36.04 | ROG3R | lightest |
| 04:36.18 | banjo | ROG3R: debian net-install:) |
| 04:36.25 | dondelelcaro | ROG3R: debian is used on some embedded devices, so Debian. |
| 04:36.27 | someHuman | Ugh! |
| 04:36.35 | someHuman | I need this wireless networking! :( |
| 04:36.36 | someHuman | It |
| 04:36.47 | someHuman | Wah! |
| 04:36.50 | ROG3R | ok |
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| 04:37.30 | banjo | ROG3R: you can look here: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=Debian¬basedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active |
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| 04:37.53 | banjo | crunchbang is relativly light |
| 04:38.06 | banjo | and antix |
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| 04:39.15 | banjo | ROG3R: if you want an light admin live distro take grml |
| 04:39.16 | biffbaxter | last time i mentioned wattOS - the debian distro I maintain I was told not to spam...so I did not mention it :) |
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| 04:39.45 | banjo | biffbaxter: isnt wattos ubuntu based?! |
| 04:39.55 | biffbaxter | nope...changed to wheezy in June |
| 04:40.05 | banjo | nice to here that |
| 04:40.06 | dondelelcaro | someHuman: did you follow the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/rt3290 ? |
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| 04:41.07 | Xenoth | waves goodnight |
| 04:41.55 | dondelelcaro | someHuman: I think you may need a newer kernel, as 3.2 may not support that card. |
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| 04:44.06 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: How do I know what kernel I have? |
| 04:44.18 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: Do I still proceed with the link? |
| 04:44.46 | biffbaxter | uname -a |
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| 04:45.18 | someHuman | 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 |
| 04:45.21 | someHuman | ? |
| 04:45.55 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: Trying to do 3 of Wheezy but my Debian asks me for a CD! -_- |
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| 04:46.27 | someHuman | I load the same CD I had when I was installing Debian earlier. |
| 04:46.30 | dondelelcaro | someHuman: so remove the CD from the sources.list, and download the appropriate files and install them. |
| 04:46.35 | someHuman | Ah |
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| 04:47.09 | ROG3R | is puppy linux based on debian? |
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| 04:49.07 | banjo | biffbaxter: is there an easy way to use microwatt with persistant starage on usb? or if its even recommended |
| 04:49.56 | banjo | ive tried lot of things and some distros to use it like that but all things were not satisfieing me |
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| 04:50.50 | banjo | find some how-to for debian how to install it on usb but no success |
| 04:50.58 | banjo | found |
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| 04:53.09 | banjo | ROG3R: what i know its ubuntu or slackware or something else based...you can choose |
| 04:53.12 | someHuman | dondelelcaro: Thanks man! |
| 04:53.27 | someHuman | I see the wireless networks, haven't connected to one yet. But I |
| 04:53.30 | someHuman | But it should work. |
| 04:53.57 | banjo | ROG3R: for what purpose you are searching an light debian distro? |
| 04:54.01 | someHuman | I also did a dist-upgrade to make myself safe or for better purposes/results. What the heck! You know what I'm talking about! :) |
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| 04:54.07 | someHuman | I'm also a Free Software guy so :D |
| 04:54.29 | someHuman | Thanks guys! |
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| 04:54.40 | biffbaxter | There are lots of ways to do this. I have one entry in my forums that discuss a way, but I have not tested |
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| 04:55.02 | banjo | ROG3R: i mean if you install debian from netinstall cd or even the lxde iso, its pretty light |
| 04:55.47 | biffbaxter | Should work. I have some folks using it |
| 04:56.02 | banjo | biffbaxter: ok thanks. |
| 04:56.31 | biffbaxter | I don't want to paste my forum links here as the Debian police tell me to stop |
| 04:57.08 | banjo | biffbaxter: no problem. found the forum, now im searching thread;) |
| 04:58.09 | biffbaxter | If you want to go light, LXDE is not a bad choice either, and much more tested. Also there is a new version coming out in about a month. |
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| 05:01.14 | banjo | biffbaxter: its this: i only would like to have some lil programms/scripts that makes it easy to maintain the usb-stick. maybe some other things too. i use openbox only as a temporary wm in ratpoison |
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| 05:04.01 | biffbaxter | Have you looked at i3? |
| 05:04.05 | banjo | for example antix has such a program but for some reason the persistant is limited and with next release it goes back to testing repos again. so nothing for usb |
| 05:04.06 | biffbaxter | I use it daily as my WM |
| 05:04.15 | ROG3R | banjo: ty |
| 05:04.24 | banjo | yes. ive "looked" at it:) |
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| 05:04.43 | banjo | i never take the time to go into it |
| 05:04.45 | biffbaxter | Figured since you mention ratpoison |
| 05:05.12 | biffbaxter | its super easy to customize, got great documentation, tiny footprint, and its in the repos |
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| 05:05.42 | biffbaxter | You could do a debian jessie netinstall, then expert mode, remove everything and then just apt-get i3 |
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| 05:06.46 | biffbaxter | Jessie has the newer version, or you can backport wheezy for a newer version |
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| 05:08.07 | banjo | biffbaxter: ive tested most of the wm's in repos. i like dwm(costumisation is for me horror:)) spectrwm could be good if it would not have these dumb panel |
| 05:08.18 | banjo | im on testing |
| 05:08.56 | banjo | so i use ratpoison with tmpwm option sometimes to openbox and sometimes to dwm |
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| 05:09.55 | banjo | biffbaxter: is it possible in i3 to make an escape key? |
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| 05:15.17 | biffbaxter | escape to kill a window? or using something like xmodmap? |
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| 05:16.49 | banjo | escape like escape key in screen/emacs |
| 05:18.26 | banjo | ratpoison uses escape key like screen as default but ive configured it in some way like the dwm-keybindings, so i have the option to do the same task with an escape key or directly with key-combo |
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| 05:21.00 | banjo | not ready yet but from time to time it goes further:) then i want to finish openbox keybindings in an dwm way but there is no delight do edit xml files for me:) |
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| 05:23.34 | biffbaxter | yeah it can do most of those keybindings in a single config file. There are numerous 'emacs" type keybinding info entries in i3. I have used dwm and several others before I settled on i3 since it was so well documented and easy to edit |
| 05:23.35 | banjo | so with the escape&on-top schortcuts its no problem to use it with one or both hands |
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| 05:24.25 | banjo | ok. i will look at that |
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| 05:25.35 | biffbaxter | I would just review the home page i3wm.org....and no I am not a contributor, it was just the best and stable for what I needed and I mix tiling and float every day |
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| 08:14.28 | grzeslaw | Hi, I am trying to solve issue "Argument "perl_version" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=)" which occur from 2 days.. I am using wheezy version of spamassasin. what is the best solution for that?.. |
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| 08:31.24 | paolosca | Hi there... Does anyone know what the T and W flags on the left of a package name mean in aptitude? I found no mention of them in the "current state" and "action" flags in the manual. |
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| 08:38.06 | Iridos | paolosca, I don't have and T and W flags on packages |
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| 08:39.33 | Iridos | I guess you mean in the ncurses interface of aptitude... |
| 08:39.56 | Iridos | well, and in aptitude search |
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| 08:43.41 | paolosca | Iridos: yes, in the ncurses interface. I had two packages stuck in the "partially installed" list, one marked as T and the other as W. I just fixed them with apt-get --reinstall install [packages] but I'm still curious on what the flags mean as I never saw them before and the manual doesn't mention them. |
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| 08:44.25 | Iridos | paolosca, what position were they at |
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| 08:45.14 | Kitt3n | Trying to install Kolab on Debian Jessie, but I get a dependency error on libmozldap and mozldap-tools where can I find those two packages? |
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| 08:45.37 | Iridos | dpkg apt-file |
| 08:45.38 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 08:46.05 | Iridos | oh, packages, not files |
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| 08:46.53 | paolosca | Iridos: the T and W flags where in the first column, where normally there is "i" for installed, "p" for purged, etc. |
| 08:46.54 | Kitt3n | Yup. |
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| 08:48.17 | Iridos | paolosca, there's another - sometimes more complete - documentation in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README . But those flags don't really exist. should be C or H or B |
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| 08:49.44 | Iridos | Kitt3n, kolab is a package? I only see kolabadmin in wheezy |
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| 08:50.52 | paolosca | Iridos: Too bad I already fixed it, I should have taken a screenshot for future reference. Il try to read the documentation you mentioned. Thanks. |
| 08:50.59 | Kitt3n | Iridos, they might not exist anymore. but I've added the Kolab package sources from Kolab, but "kolab" and "kolab-webadmin" fail because of mozldap-tools and libmozldap-0d |
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| 08:51.30 | Iridos | Kitt3n, which brings me to the next point... #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is more suitable for questions on the testing release than here |
| 08:51.43 | Kitt3n | ._. |
| 08:51.50 | Iridos | Kitt3n, oh, third-party packages... they can basically have any dependencies they like |
| 08:51.50 | Kitt3n | yay. Okay. |
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| 08:52.03 | Iridos | and they can have bad quality... and rats and ferrets |
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| 08:52.26 | Kitt3n | But the docs are up-to-date and so are the packages AND they say nothing about those two missing packages |
| 08:52.28 | Iridos | Kitt3n, as that's not in debian, they probably have those dependencies somewhere |
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| 08:53.02 | Kitt3n | Says nothing on the docs..nor can I find anything on google, and of course #kolab seems to be dead at the moment. |
| 08:53.14 | Kitt3n | I'll try on oftc.net |
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| 08:54.28 | PrimalHunter | Hi, I'm currently fiddling with some init scripts and I'm a bit confused. I wrote my own and left Default-Start blank. I used update-rc.d to "install" it but it does complain that Default-Start none is different from the default start runlevel argument (2-5). Does this mean it will be run anyway? What's the correct way to designate a script to be manually started? |
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| 08:55.13 | Iridos | Kitt3n, I hadn't realized you were talking about some 3rd-party package... guess they cannot tell you much more on it, then, because it's not part of debian and can basically do anything |
| 08:55.34 | Iridos | Kitt3n, it's also ok to ask on jessie in here, but most guys using testing hang around over there |
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| 09:15.02 | matthiaskrgr | hmm |
| 09:15.17 | matthiaskrgr | debian install cd gives me kernel panic ._. |
| 09:15.20 | elcheckito | hi. can i remap the dell latitude fn key to ctrl? |
| 09:15.34 | matthiaskrgr | elcheckito: maybe there is an option in the bios for that |
| 09:15.45 | elcheckito | i suppose you're gonna point to xev to capture the key code and .xmodmap for the switching? :( |
| 09:15.46 | matthiaskrgr | guesses |
| 09:15.50 | swordsmanz | matthiaskrgr did you try with cpus=0 |
| 09:16.00 | elcheckito | matthiaskrgr: ah, a guess. :) a guess is always nice :) |
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| 09:16.14 | swordsmanz | or did you check its a working disk ? |
| 09:16.17 | Kitt3n | elcheckito, cant you just remap the key like any other? O_o |
| 09:16.26 | matthiaskrgr | swordsmanz: I just burned it :/ |
| 09:16.28 | matthiaskrgr | mmh |
| 09:16.45 | swordsmanz | matthiaskrgr dosent mean the burn was good |
| 09:16.48 | elcheckito | Kitt3n: "like any other"? as in: xmodmap? or.. other? |
| 09:16.53 | Kitt3n | matthiaskrgr, try verify the iso then burn another |
| 09:16.55 | matthiaskrgr | "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 09:16.56 | swordsmanz | or the disk wasent defective |
| 09:16.57 | Kitt3n | elya |
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| 09:17.08 | Kitt3n | elcheckito, yap |
| 09:17.10 | matthiaskrgr | let's try again... |
| 09:17.25 | Kitt3n | Verify the iso too |
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| 09:18.19 | matthiaskrgr | ah, before showing the cd-main screen, it said "error: "prefix" not set..." or something like that |
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| 09:18.48 | swordsmanz | wonders when we will do away with cd's |
| 09:19.08 | matthiaskrgr | ok something is borked... |
| 09:19.14 | matthiaskrgr | I'll try to burn another image |
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| 09:20.17 | ynix | haven't had a computer with a cd drive in over half a decade |
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| 09:20.47 | ynix | what is there that you can do with a cd that you cannot do with a usb stick? listen to albums on cd is about the only thing |
| 09:21.09 | hojgaard | Hello people. Does anyone know a workaround for preseed overwriting /etc/network/interfaces late in the automatic installation? |
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| 09:21.35 | swordsmanz | ynix frisby |
| 09:21.44 | swordsmanz | coasters |
| 09:21.52 | swordsmanz | make a disco ball |
| 09:22.01 | matthiaskrgr | at least hashsum of downloaded and upstream image seem to be the same .. |
| 09:22.20 | Abhijit | hojgaard, write a post instatllation script to override pressed !! |
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| 09:22.27 | swordsmanz | matthiaskrgr what are you useing to burnz ? |
| 09:22.37 | matthiaskrgr | brasero |
| 09:22.59 | hojgaard | Abhijit, i am trying but it does not seem to work.. |
| 09:23.04 | ynix | matthiaskrgr: If I remember from way back in the day, always burn your CD on the absolute slowest possible setting in your software, no matter what your cd or drive is rated at |
| 09:23.58 | matthiaskrgr | ok, I'll try :) |
| 09:24.05 | Abhijit | hojgaard, a post installation script which copies a script to installed system. and one cronjob which triggers after 3 minutes. then that script can write to network settings! |
| 09:24.13 | ynix | matthiaskrgr: But is there a reason you're not using a USB stick? |
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| 09:24.43 | swordsmanz | matthiaskrgr i know this proberbly isent helping right now, but get yourself a memeorystick that debian minimal always lives on |
| 09:24.53 | matthiaskrgr | how would that work? can I just slap the image onto it and boot boot from it? |
| 09:25.01 | Kitt3n | yes. |
| 09:25.01 | ynix | matthiaskrgr: Pretty much |
| 09:25.04 | matthiaskrgr | ok |
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| 09:25.26 | ynix | matthiaskrgr: What OS are you on right now? |
| 09:25.32 | matthiaskrgr | arch linux :p |
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| 09:25.47 | ynix | me too, its very easy in linux |
| 09:25.58 | matthiaskrgr | but I couldn't get it installed on my new notebook for some reason.. |
| 09:26.03 | matthiaskrgr | so I think about going to debian testing now |
| 09:26.12 | matthiaskrgr | (have been using debian for few years some time ago) |
| 09:26.20 | hojgaard | Abhijit, i have thought of that, but that seems like a dirty solution - i will see if i can make it work before installation has finished |
| 09:26.27 | ynix | matthiaskrgr: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#BIOS_and_UEFI_Bootable_USB |
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| 09:26.49 | ynix | that dd command should do the trick |
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| 09:27.13 | matthiaskrgr | as long as I don't nuke my sys here ... =) |
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| 09:27.35 | ynix | it very easily can, just make sure you're writing to the right device |
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| 09:27.40 | matthiaskrgr | does the cd installer use systemd btw ? |
| 09:27.48 | ynix | use lsblk |
| 09:27.54 | swordsmanz | he might need to bless the stick tooo |
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| 09:28.03 | Abhijit | hojgaard, everything is fare in war and debian. |
| 09:28.13 | Abhijit | like systemd. |
| 09:28.16 | Abhijit | hides |
| 09:28.51 | matthiaskrgr | well I already have one init-to-systemd transition behind me (from arch) so I don't wanna have to do another one for debian |
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| 09:31.32 | hojgaard | Abhijit, it seems some people have made it work even though... |
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| 09:34.32 | matthiaskrgr | hah! that worked :) |
| 09:34.59 | matthiaskrgr | so from now I go by https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ ? |
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| 09:39.55 | hojgaard | Does anyone know which dns-servers that debian choses first. The ones in /etc/network/interfaces or the ones in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 09:42.53 | osram | hojgaard: in theory the ones in /etc/network/interfaces get written into /etc/resolv.conf when networking/the interface comes up. |
| 09:43.15 | osram | hojgaard: So I would speculate that the ones in /etc/network/interfaces *never* get chosen. |
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| 09:44.04 | hojgaard | osram, thank you.. |
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| 09:44.39 | osram | hojgaard: You're welcome. |
| 09:44.52 | Azitrex | where can i to find repositories of these packages ?! https://ghostbin.com/paste/sg9u6 |
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| 09:46.23 | osram | Azitrex: they're all in the standard wheezy repos. |
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| 09:46.50 | osram | Azitrex: apt-get install autoconf automake libtool cmake ... should pull them in. |
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| 09:48.14 | Azitrex | osram, apt-get can not to find this packages link and send me message of the my link |
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| 09:49.54 | osram | Azitrex: I don't know why. Does `apt-get update' produce any errors? |
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| 09:51.23 | Azitrex | no osram , apt-get update worked |
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| 09:51.58 | osram | Azitrex: then I have no answer, sorry. |
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| 09:52.53 | osram | Azitrex: automake, for example, exists in all generations: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&keywords=automake |
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| 09:54.31 | matthiaskrgr | does debian have some way to build and install custom packages ? |
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| 09:54.55 | nkuttler | matthiaskrgr: various, can you be more specific? |
| 09:55.15 | matthiaskrgr | something like arch linux' makepkg/pkgbuild system |
| 09:55.23 | nkuttler | no idea what that does |
| 09:55.26 | osram | matthiaskrgr: Sure: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
| 09:55.28 | matthiaskrgr | they basically have a huge repository of build-scripts |
| 09:55.56 | nkuttler | matthiaskrgr: well, if it's not packaged yet, you'll have to debianize the source.. |
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| 09:56.21 | matthiaskrgr | hmmmmmm |
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| 09:58.19 | matthiaskrgr | well I'll have to play around a bit with this I guess (once debian is up and running) |
| 09:58.19 | rob__ | hello |
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| 10:00.49 | swordsmanz | is there a reason everyone is hissyfiting about systemd ? |
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| 10:01.27 | Kitt3n | I don't understand the whole hissyfit about systemd, what is it even? xD |
| 10:01.35 | Kitt3n | and hasn't it been around for a long time? |
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| 10:01.51 | luck | ciao |
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| 10:02.52 | swordsmanz | like long enuff |
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| 10:03.19 | swordsmanz | wonders if debain maintainers need hugs |
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| 10:03.56 | nkuttler | !tell swordsmanz about ot |
| 10:03.58 | matthiaskrgr | Kitt3n: http://deanengineering.us/memes/gallery-images/systemd.jpg :P |
| 10:05.26 | Kitt3n | riight xD |
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| 10:09.46 | lgp171188 | How can I install the toolchain to compile a C++ project for amd64 target on a i686 Debian installation? |
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| 10:10.21 | Kitt3n | Install gcc with the correct target and compile? O_o |
| 10:11.12 | swordsmanz | do it with love |
| 10:11.33 | lgp171188 | Kitt3n: Is it just a matter of adding amd64 architecture and doing apt-get install build-essential:amd64? |
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| 10:14.10 | Kitt3n | lgp171188, more as in: grab gcc for i686 targeting amd64 |
| 10:14.13 | Kitt3n | Or compile it |
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| 10:15.04 | lgp171188 | Kitt3n: Is there a way to get the toolchain by not having to compile anything and use just the packages in debian's repos? |
| 10:15.28 | Kitt3n | Not sure: guess taking a look would help? :P |
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| 10:21.29 | matthiaskrgr | I have the feeling that the "erasing data" step is gonna take half a day on my 1 TB disk :/ |
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| 10:31.25 | ChrisH | matthiaskrgr: for encrypted disks, yes |
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| 10:33.39 | matthiaskrgr | :( |
| 10:33.52 | ChrisH | matthiaskrgr: but only the first time :) |
| 10:34.01 | matthiaskrgr | heh |
| 10:34.16 | matthiaskrgr | well I wish it could show some actual percentage instead of just that bar |
| 10:34.29 | ChrisH | It took 2-3h on my 1TB Laptopdisk the last time I did it |
| 10:34.45 | nkuttler | i just do it overnight |
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| 10:34.59 | matthiaskrgr | nkuttler: well, it's not night here currently :P |
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| 10:50.04 | Iridos | matthiaskrgr, but it will be :D |
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| 10:50.52 | matthiaskrgr | well I hope it's not gonna take 10 hours :/ |
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| 11:28.40 | Marqin | when i'm inside "stable" (wheezy) doing "apt-get upgrade" is always safe? it will never break backwards backward compatibility? |
| 11:29.51 | AR45 | Marqin: it shouldn't, that would defeat the purpose of stable repositories don't ya think |
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| 11:30.45 | Marqin | i wanted to get some confirmation. and "dist-upgrade" is also somehow safe? |
| 11:32.12 | AR45 | depends on what the package manager proposes |
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| 11:32.24 | Iridos | in principle, yes |
| 11:32.27 | AR45 | and if you're okay with the changes |
| 11:32.28 | swordsmanz | if in doubt |
| 11:32.31 | swordsmanz | think |
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| 11:33.08 | Iridos | if you're using any 3rd-party repositories... well, then it's not debian-stable anymore anyway |
| 11:33.56 | Iridos | there's also been some rare exceptions, where there were extremely serious security bugs that couldn't be backported and so a new version of e.g. sshd got into stable |
| 11:34.59 | AR45 | Marqin: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 11:36.22 | swordsmanz | apt usually warns you about importent things anywho |
| 11:36.29 | Marqin | Iridos: and is there some info then? about those critical |
| 11:36.42 | Marqin | something like /usr/ports/UPDATING file on freebsd that would say before upgrading |
| 11:36.45 | Marqin | that you have to beware |
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| 11:40.33 | fireant_ | Marqin: upgrades did messed up things on my stable systems before, you should always test your changes somewhere before applying on production |
| 11:41.02 | Marqin | one more question |
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| 11:42.07 | Marqin | when i install some version of package. say: apt-get install php5=5.4.4-smthing, how ccan i make apt-get install dependecies that match that version? i have to type it manually? because apt installed me the newset avalible deps, not those matching |
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| 11:42.44 | hojgaard | I am trying to get preseed to work without overwriting my /etc/network/interfaces.. Does anyone know how i can copy from late_command which is chrooted into /target to outside the chroot. I want to copy /target/etc/network/interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces.. |
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| 11:43.40 | Brigo | apt-get update always installs new package version (that is update for). If you want to keep a version of a package from update you have to 'pin' it. |
| 11:43.49 | Marqin | Brigo: not pin |
| 11:43.59 | Marqin | just update to not newest using = |
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| 11:44.08 | Marqin | it's ok , but not worked for dependencies |
| 11:44.13 | Marqin | so i assume i have to type them by hand |
| 11:44.26 | pharpend | Hi guys. How do you update the system time in Debian. That is, I changed the timezone with "echo MyTimezone > /etc/timezone". How do I tell the computer to start formatting dates in that time zone? |
| 11:44.40 | Marqin | fireant_: it's until they push nev change between your test and aplying on production..until you have your own mirror of debian repo |
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| 11:46.37 | Brigo | pharpend, it should be enought, did you try to logout and login? |
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| 11:46.58 | pharpend | Brigo: no, I'll try that |
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| 11:48.11 | pharpend | Well, I have some reasonably critical stuff running there, so I can't kill all of my user processes, but I killed the SSH connection and then ssh'd into it again, no change |
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| 11:49.11 | Brigo | pharpend, try dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:49.24 | cuqa | hello, can anyone recommand a backup solution with a good disaster recovery? i.e. being able to start a machine from the backup as fast as possible |
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| 11:49.47 | pharpend | awesome, thank you Brigo, that worked |
| 11:50.17 | Brigo | pharpend, i think that are not the correct file but /etc/localtime |
| 11:50.21 | pharpend | cuqa: dd your hard drive onto a backup drive |
| 11:51.01 | pharpend | Brigo: well *shrug*. I'm a Gentoo user ordinarily, so oops. I'll keep that in mind for the future though. |
| 11:51.28 | Brigo | pharpend, ask google or debian wiki :) |
| 11:51.39 | cuqa | ok to specify it more, backups made of live systems |
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| 11:51.56 | Brigo | cuqa, can you make snapshots? |
| 11:51.59 | cuqa | not home used computers which idle most of the time |
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| 11:53.10 | ncls | hi, this is not a troll, I'm just wondering what SystemD is ? |
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| 11:53.38 | Brigo | ncls, a new init system. Ask wikipedia, or just google |
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| 11:54.44 | cuqa | not yet Brigo |
| 11:54.44 | ncls | Brigo, yes, but what is the actual product and why some people want it and some others don't ? |
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| 11:55.15 | cuqa | but can snapshots be taken while being in production? |
| 11:55.22 | ncls | ok okay, the actual one is "init" |
| 11:55.41 | Brigo | sorry ncls, i think do not undestansd your question. |
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| 11:55.56 | Brigo | cuqa, with lvm, zvm or btrfs at least, yes. |
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| 11:56.54 | Brigo | cuqa, in a server is very importar to get file integrity, because during te copy the files can change. |
| 11:56.59 | ncls | Brigo, nevermind, I read there was an argument about using systemd in debian or not, and wanted to figure out why (because the article didn't explain it) |
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| 11:58.08 | Brigo | in debian now you can use only systemvinit. Next debian, jessie will use systemd and systemv full supported for sure and openrc and upstart may be not full supported. |
| 11:58.19 | Brigo | ncls, so you will can choose. |
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| 11:58.43 | ncls | Brigo, ok thank you |
| 11:58.50 | Brigo | ncls, yw :) |
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| 12:00.01 | Brigo | cuqa, are you still there? |
| 12:00.12 | cuqa | yes, sorry was afk for some secds |
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| 12:00.51 | cuqa | you think even DBs are staying consistens with snapshots? |
| 12:01.03 | Brigo | you can make backups without snaptshots too, but you have to ve very carefull. |
| 12:01.33 | Brigo | cuqa, no, but dbs use to have tools to make live snapshots, like mysqldump. |
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| 12:02.26 | cuqa | okay, so this has to be done separately. that is np |
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| 12:03.15 | cuqa | but downside with lvm snapshots is probably lots of unused space which is also backed up, right? |
| 12:03.22 | Brigo | cuqa, you have to find all that files that could change and backup them first and the make the full backup |
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| 12:04.10 | Brigo | cuqa, you make the snapshot, bacupk stuff you want to, and delete de snapshot, not need to backup entire snapshot. |
| 12:04.45 | cuqa | mh okay, then I probably do not understand yet what a snapshot is :P |
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| 12:05.01 | cuqa | i thought it's like an image file that is being created |
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| 12:05.32 | Brigo | an image filesystemm, better say |
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| 12:06.37 | xeirrr | hi, guys. Do we have a common sense that which init? |
| 12:07.14 | cuqa | ok thanks a lot for your help Brigo .. I will have a look at it |
| 12:07.22 | Brigo | xeirrr, i think i do not understand your question, sorry. |
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| 12:07.38 | Brigo | cuqa, yw :) and good luck :) |
| 12:08.38 | xeirrr | Brigo, which init system will debian choose, sysvinit or systemd? |
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| 12:09.33 | petn-randall | xeirrr: systemd. |
| 12:09.43 | Brigo | xeirrr, jessie will fully support both but systemd will be the default. |
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| 12:10.58 | xeirrr | Brigo & petn-randall: ok..... |
| 12:11.36 | matthiaskrgr | what is the clang package of debian called? |
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| 12:11.42 | matthiaskrgr | https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clang.html this one? |
| 12:11.56 | matthiaskrgr | is clang 3.5 not available for debian ? |
| 12:12.28 | Brigo | ,v clang |
| 12:12.29 | judd | Package: clang on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7-3; wheezy: 1:3.0-6.2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; sid: 1:3.5-26 |
| 12:12.47 | Brigo | matthiaskrgr, only in jessie/sid |
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| 12:13.08 | matthiaskrgr | why can't I see it in the PTS ? |
| 12:13.29 | matthiaskrgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:15.05 | Epakai | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/llvm-toolchain-3.5 |
| 12:15.26 | matthiaskrgr | ah, thanks |
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| 12:15.52 | Epakai | clang-3.5 redirected there, couldn't find anything else |
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| 12:27.35 | tsun | Is `sshfs`'s equivelant samba for windows? |
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| 12:40.49 | tsun | nevermind got it |
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| 12:43.15 | suexec | I created a package using checkinstall. I messed up creating the "provides" list though .. now I am unable to install a package, because I am missing "qdbus", but that's been installed. Is there any way I can manually set it installed? |
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| 12:45.42 | gXen | when trying to install mysql-server on wheezy 7.4 (fresh install) I get an error due to unmet dependencies... and I cant resolve these unmet dependencies. what can i do? |
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| 12:46.07 | tsun | gXen: install the required packages |
| 12:46.17 | gXen | tsun, I cant |
| 12:46.33 | gXen | they are virtual packages |
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| 12:46.49 | tsun | purge and retry? |
| 12:46.53 | gXen | which arent not recognized (I have the correct entries in my sources.list) |
| 12:47.15 | tsun | Did you get the version name of the OS right? |
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| 12:47.20 | gXen | purge what? its a freshly installed debian.. mysql is the first thing I try to install |
| 12:47.36 | gXen | yes |
| 12:47.37 | tsun | mysql, not debian |
| 12:47.44 | tsun | hmm |
| 12:47.50 | gXen | i used aptitude install mysql-server |
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| 12:48.36 | tsun | Sorry, I'm not sure. |
| 12:48.41 | tsun | Try a different package manager maybe? |
| 12:48.47 | tsun | dpkg or apt-get? |
| 12:48.47 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt>, but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 |
| 12:48.57 | gXen | tried both tsun |
| 12:49.01 | tsun | hmm |
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| 12:49.19 | tsun | make sure you're also installing mysql and the others too |
| 12:49.24 | tsun | not only mysql-server |
| 12:49.48 | gXen | tried same command with mysql-server mysq-client |
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| 12:49.57 | gXen | mysql-client* |
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| 12:51.20 | tsun | You have libaio1 right? |
| 12:51.48 | gXen | no |
| 12:51.51 | gXen | Package 'libaio1' has no installation candidate |
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| 12:51.58 | tsun | actually since I have no idea what I'm talking about atm and I should be asleep, try this: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/linux-installation-debian.html |
| 12:52.14 | gXen | output when I use apt-get install libaio1 |
| 12:52.19 | gXen | ok, thx for the help |
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| 12:54.56 | tsun | You can always do a fresh install and install mysql from its given packages |
| 12:55.00 | tsun | I mean that comes with the install |
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| 13:00.13 | mrtnt | In mailx one can specify "from address"(-r) and "reply-to address"(-R). What is the difference between the two? |
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| 13:04.26 | jolt | mrtnt: if you don't have reply-to, then from will be used |
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| 13:06.02 | petn-randall | mrtnt: 'from' is what will show as the sender of the mail. 'reply-to' is where the reply will go when you hit the reply button. |
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| 13:08.41 | suexec | any checkinstall gurus here? |
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| 13:09.30 | t_dot_zilla | hi, i want to copy all files from one hard disk to another. the one disk is an 80g but only using 5.8g. the second disk is 20g. i read that i could use the 'dd' command. will the 'dd' command copy the file structure as well or do i need to use fdisk and mkext? i want the hard-drives to be exact. also does it matter that the second hard drive is smaller when using dd? |
| 13:10.44 | gXen | try rsync |
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| 13:11.58 | t_dot_zilla | okay thanks |
| 13:12.00 | t_dot_zilla | is ext4 the recommended format for a root partition? |
| 13:12.12 | suexec | t_dot_zilla, dd will copy everything .. including toc and what not. I reckon you should be OK using it, but you'd have to fdisk your 80 gig disk to get hold of the spare space .. and you might even risk data-loss. Unless you need the exact disk layout you could use the mentioned rsync or even cp to simply copy contents. |
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| 13:12.41 | t_dot_zilla | suexec: im copying from an 80g to a 20g |
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| 13:13.04 | suexec | t_dot_zilla, oh .. forget about dd then, unless you have smaller partitions that would fit. |
| 13:13.05 | t_dot_zilla | i thnk maybe rsync is better... this is a root filesystem im copying to another disk |
| 13:13.20 | t_dot_zilla | i want to switch to the 20g as root parition |
| 13:13.45 | Pedro_arg_80 | hello, kali using linux, I can not decompress a file with a key, I get the following error: "need PK compat v5.1 (can do v4.6).". Does anyone know how to fix it? Thank you |
| 13:14.03 | gXen | unless you wanna use uefi, ext4 is good |
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| 13:14.08 | unsecur3d | u tried apt-get install -f ? |
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| 13:14.41 | unsecur3d | that command does wonders when ur missing files or dependencies :D |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | Pedro_arg_80: you should ask their channel for support |
| 13:15.01 | unsecur3d | pedro eso e pa ti |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Pedro_arg_80 about kali |
| 13:15.43 | unsecur3d | is zsf really built with raid on mind ? like is this the main purpose of this FS ? j/w.... |
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| 13:15.57 | abrotman | t_dot_zilla: rsync is definitely better |
| 13:16.09 | abrotman | t_dot_zilla: just make sure you sue options that preserve permissions, etc |
| 13:16.19 | t_dot_zilla | okay thanks |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | you use |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | don't sue anyone |
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| 13:17.04 | suexec | abrotman, he will have to take care of some boot flags etc though, if he want to boot from the rsynced disk, won't he ? |
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| 13:17.09 | gXen | t_dot_zilla: rsync zip if over slow network |
| 13:17.21 | abrotman | suexec: bios boot flags? |
| 13:17.57 | suexec | abrotman, no .. if he rsyncs a root partition to a new disk, it's not going to boot from that disk out of the box, is it? (presuming it's set as primary boot disk in bios) |
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| 13:18.23 | abrotman | suexec: I have no idea what he's doing with the new drive, perhaps putting it in a new computer? |
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| 13:18.50 | suexec | abrotman, think he's just putting in an extra disk, and he wants to move his root partition from the old disk, to the new one. |
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| 13:19.00 | abrotman | Perhaps we should ask and clarify |
| 13:19.09 | suexec | looks at t_dot_zilla |
| 13:19.24 | t_dot_zilla | suexec: yes |
| 13:19.28 | t_dot_zilla | that's what im doing |
| 13:19.50 | t_dot_zilla | i can set the kernel to boot to the new disk using a UUID from gdisk |
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| 13:20.35 | abrotman | t_dot_zilla: then yes, you'll have to update your bootloader |
| 13:20.40 | t_dot_zilla | yes |
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| 13:21.48 | t_dot_zilla | mnt = my second hard drive (20g) |
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| 13:48.58 | matthiaskrgr | alreay ~9 % :/ |
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| 13:52.53 | rgr | t_dot_zilla: not good. dont include certain dirs. here: see the excludes here. https://gist.github.com/e9f5845ae4004854f976 |
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| 13:53.05 | t_dot_zilla | rgr: why |
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| 13:53.36 | ChrisH | matthiaskrgr: looks like a slow disk or is the entropy generator not working well? But during installation there is not much to change |
| 13:53.38 | rgr | because they're dynamic and not required and liable to change mid copy. |
| 13:53.47 | rgr | easily found in google. |
| 13:53.57 | t_dot_zilla | rgr: i've done this before and it doesn't cause problems |
| 13:53.58 | rgr | but thats my script thats done me well for a while |
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| 13:54.12 | rgr | it might cause problems and its mad to copy things you dont need. |
| 13:54.28 | Kitt3n | ^ |
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| 13:54.45 | rgr | (probably wont cause problems but its not required and also why store things that might be secret in the cache etc on your back up?) |
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| 13:55.44 | matthiaskrgr | ChrisH: hmm, it could be the disk... I have 100% io it seems (disk-led just shining) I might have gone for somewhat slower (powersaving) disk but more ram on that machine |
| 13:55.56 | rgr | here#s some way to explaining it : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_System_Backup_with_rsync |
| 13:55.58 | matthiaskrgr | I really wish it could say how much % is done already |
| 13:56.09 | t_dot_zilla | rsync -aAXv /* /mnt --exclude={"${HOME}"/.cache,/dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/run/*,/mnt/*,"/dev/sdb1",/media/cdrom0,/lost+found} --delete |
| 13:56.10 | rgr | my script is souped up a bit to mount and unmount an external usb. |
| 13:56.13 | t_dot_zilla | ^^ better? |
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| 13:56.36 | rgr | why would you paste that? I gave you a link to my script already. |
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| 13:57.15 | t_dot_zilla | i didn't want to run a damn script |
| 13:57.23 | rgr | see the link above. sure, you dont need to but its nicer. |
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| 13:57.35 | rgr | you dont want to run a "damn script"? OK. FO. Good luck. |
| 13:57.59 | t_dot_zilla | lol sorry |
| 13:58.01 | t_dot_zilla | i'll run the script |
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| 13:58.44 | t_dot_zilla | rgr: i don't get that mountpoint var |
| 13:58.47 | t_dot_zilla | why is there a 1- |
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| 13:59.17 | rgr | always better to keep a script for this sort of thing in your own "bin". But up to you. A real inconvenience - especially if it saves you asking basic "man" issues here.... Sorry if my script, link and explanation is of no help. |
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| 14:00.02 | ChrisH | t_dot_zilla: man bash will expain that - Short: if an argumant is given use that as $1 of not use /media/databackup |
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| 14:02.51 | t_dot_zilla | oh cool |
| 14:02.53 | t_dot_zilla | sorry |
| 14:03.47 | t_dot_zilla | rgr: there is no arg to the /dev/sdb1 (20g disk) |
| 14:03.57 | t_dot_zilla | does this script assume i have it defined in fstab? |
| 14:04.55 | t_dot_zilla | rgr: https://p.bsd-unix.net/pliphwigl |
| 14:05.00 | t_dot_zilla | i added a couple things |
| 14:06.29 | tolkor | uh. oops. i just did an apt-get update/dist-upgrade of jessie. the upgrade failed during "generating /boot/imitrd/img-3.16-3-amd64" with this error: unable to fsync updated status of `initramfs-tools`: input/output error |
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| 14:06.41 | hjolt | Debian should be reading my ~/.xinitrc file if it exists right ? |
| 14:07.08 | tolkor | and now most commands are either not found or give "input/output error" |
| 14:07.45 | ChrisH | tolkor: sounds like a faulty disk... check dmesg |
| 14:07.47 | tolkor | cd works, ls does not |
| 14:07.54 | petn-randall | tolkor: Sounds like the underlying block device is broken ... |
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| 14:09.19 | petn-randall | tolkor: Boot from a live system, and run smartctl against the disk containing your root partition. |
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| 14:10.01 | tolkor | okie dokie. tnx all. |
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| 14:10.55 | tolkor | it would be weird if the drive has failed since it is less than a year old and only lightly used, but it happens |
| 14:11.07 | tolkor | reaches for another drive and his backups |
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| 14:12.03 | petn-randall | tolkor: Could also be faulty cabling or a dying controller. You'll find out if you check the SMART data. |
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| 14:13.08 | tolkor | cool beans tnx petn-randall |
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| 14:39.46 | brokencycle | any idea what that could be? |
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| 14:44.18 | oznt | there are kernel modules to do that |
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| 15:09.14 | ValdikSS | A critical denial of service security vulnerability affecting OpenVPN servers was recently brought to our attention. A fixed version of OpenVPN (2.3.6) will be released today/tomorrow (1st Dec 2014) at around 18:00 UTC. |
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| 15:11.30 | dizzylizzy | is it possible to use your own generated X.509 certificates for HTTPS? It's okay if I'd have to install the certificate on every user's computer who would want secure access to the host |
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| 15:12.24 | ValdikSS | dizzylizzy: sure |
| 15:12.29 | jhutchins | brokencycle: I think fanctl will do that but it depends on the hardware. |
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| 15:13.00 | marioxcc | dizzylizzy: you can, but the users must trust you and have a secure channel of communication so that it makes full sense. |
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| 15:14.42 | marioxcc | Is there a way I can get user and kernel time when a process (that I didn't start with "time") ends? |
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| 15:15.34 | dizzylizzy | I mainly want to use this solely for my own access to my server |
| 15:15.46 | dizzylizzy | and the web services i put on my debian vps |
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| 15:18.57 | jhutchins | dizzylizzy: Yes, people use self-signed certificates all the time, even some public/commercial sites. |
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| 15:24.38 | t_dot_zilla | well rgr's script failed |
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| 15:24.50 | markizano | muahahah |
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| 15:25.05 | markizano | how art we all today ? |
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| 15:25.19 | t_dot_zilla | thanks rgr... ithink doing rsync / /mnt was better (since it worked for me before) |
| 15:25.57 | `Kevin | copy all of proc sys etc makes no sense @ t_dot_zilla |
| 15:26.13 | t_dot_zilla | keep in mind this is a root filesystem |
| 15:26.16 | t_dot_zilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.02 | t_dot_zilla | alls i know is... rsync -axv / /mnt worked in past for me while his script did not |
| 15:27.19 | t_dot_zilla | i'll have to wait til i get home to check the screen and see what errors there are durin boot now |
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| 15:33.35 | Cyb3r-Assassin | I haven't used debian in a long time and was having a bit of trouble on an upgrade. It's not wanting to bring a few packages up because of deps but it wont correct them even forcefully individually. Now sure exactly how to correct it with apt. https://bpaste.net/show/44573f532949 |
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| 15:34.32 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 15:34.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 15:45.59 | sdg | Trieing to run mixxx, getting this error: mixxx: ../../../../../../../src/mesa/drivers/dri/i915/i915_fragprog.c:1273: i915BindProgram: Assertion `p->on_hardware == 0' failed. |
| 15:46.03 | rjcks | Cyb3r-Assassin: have you run apt-get update ? |
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| 15:46.16 | sdg | Does anyone have any idea? |
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| 15:47.34 | `Kevin | sdg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/1274315 |
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| 15:48.07 | sdg | Nothing there worked, kevc |
| 15:48.10 | sdg | Nothing there worked, kevin |
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| 15:49.50 | sdg | It says to export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
| 15:50.13 | sdg | however I believe for Debian we would want LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/ |
| 15:50.16 | sdg | If i am not mistaken |
| 15:50.31 | sdg | This is a fresh Jessie install. |
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| 15:55.07 | `Kevin | sdg: not familair with intel dri but find the path for the package you installed eg https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:55.16 | `Kevin | if its proper you shouldn't see src/mesa |
| 15:56.17 | sdg | isn't /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/ that directory or am I mistaken? |
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| 15:57.56 | _abc_ | Hello. Can someone please tell if on a recent Debian/Knoppix one stops NetworkManager from launching, due to complex manual network config, something may go wrong later, which may perhaps lock up the machine? |
| 15:58.38 | `Kevin | sdg: it is typically /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri |
| 15:59.37 | sdg | As in it should be set as /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri for a simple 1386 system? |
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| 16:00.23 | `Kevin | check the dirs, see which one has intel perhaps it cannot be found there |
| 16:00.42 | mtn | !knoppix |
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| 16:00.42 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 16:00.52 | sdg | 1915_dri.so |
| 16:00.58 | _abc_ | Also what else could cause the freeze besides bad hardware? I installed knoppix from dvd, the dvd continues to work fine, the hdd install worked fine until I made the manual network config which is too complex for NetworkDaemon, and stopped NetworkDaemon. I can't tell if this caused the problem or not. Am I looking at the wrong issue? It may be hw too. |
| 16:01.14 | _abc_ | mtn: ok |
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| 16:01.47 | hjolt | for what reason(s) would Debian not read my ~/.xinitrc when starting X? |
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| 16:01.59 | _abc_ | Still, Debian related, since that system will move to Debian soon. Are there known problems with removing some or several of the systemd daemons on a running installed system? |
| 16:02.11 | _abc_ | Specifically NetworkDaemon and possibly others? |
| 16:02.12 | mtn | hjolt: using a dm would do it ;) |
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| 16:02.36 | mtn | _abc_: check with the proper support channel |
| 16:03.02 | hjolt | mtn: hmm, well I am currently using GDM; but not using Gnome |
| 16:03.11 | _abc_ | mtn: I asked a specific Debian question on #debian now. |
| 16:03.18 | mtn | hjolt: gdm does not read the .xinitrc |
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| 16:03.53 | hjolt | mtn: so what would I need to do to get my .xinitrc read when X starts? Is there a different file that I should configure |
| 16:04.11 | `Kevin | sdg: i believe that is mesa not intel |
| 16:04.24 | jelly | _abc_: if you're using systemd on current testing branch, best ask in #debian-next channel over on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:04.26 | mtn | hjolt: to use the .xinitrc, you need to do a command line start (startx) or there may be a dm that reads .xinitrc |
| 16:04.49 | _abc_ | jelly: stable, I never touch testing. |
| 16:05.01 | sdg | But look at the error I get kevin: mixxx: ../../../../../../../src/mesa/drivers/dri/i915/i915_fragprog.c:1273: i915BindProgram: Assertion `p->on_hardware == 0' failed. |
| 16:05.02 | sdg | Aborted |
| 16:05.06 | _abc_ | Thanks for the tip anyway |
| 16:05.16 | jelly | _abc_: well, there is no systemd in stable |
| 16:05.21 | `Kevin | yes and its using mesa |
| 16:05.24 | _abc_ | ... noted |
| 16:05.29 | _abc_ | Or not yet? |
| 16:05.32 | _abc_ | Is it a not yet? |
| 16:05.57 | `Kevin | you need the intel specific dri/opengl implementation not mesa eg https://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:06.03 | jelly | _abc_: not until the next release. it will never be a part of wheezy. |
| 16:06.05 | mtn | jelly: he is running knoppix, not debian |
| 16:06.10 | _abc_ | jelly: ok |
| 16:06.22 | _abc_ | mtn: Read the backlog, no more comments without that please. |
| 16:06.35 | mtn | _abc_: I was not talking to you |
| 16:06.37 | jelly | mtn: wanted to clear up some misconceptions |
| 16:06.44 | mtn | jelly: :) |
| 16:06.58 | _abc_ | I will have to run more hw tests before I can start cussing something or other. |
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| 16:07.25 | _abc_ | mtn: Just for laughs, are you one of the channel nazis? I was quite explicit and polite, I think. |
| 16:07.56 | jelly | _abc_: it's much easier to help if you can reproduce the problem on an actual wheezy installation |
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| 16:08.21 | sdg | I want to run mixxx, I get this error: keyword.enabled |
| 16:08.32 | sdg | src/mesa/drivers/dri/i915/i915_fragprog.c:1273: i915BindProgram: Assertion `p->on_hardware == 0' failed. |
| 16:08.52 | sdg | So it is trying to call mesa, it should be calling intel? |
| 16:08.55 | _abc_ | I see. The fun part is the live dvd runs for hours on the same machine. Will have fun with this tomorrow and try to install wheezy from iso later if I find no hw problem. This is far from being my only machine, or my main concern. Thanks so far. |
| 16:09.34 | `Kevin | sdg: only if you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed and the module is loaded etc correct |
| 16:09.46 | `Kevin | otherwise it will use mesa |
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| 16:10.28 | sdg | http://pastie.org/9754331 |
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| 16:10.33 | sdg | Any of those intel drivers? |
| 16:11.15 | `Kevin | intel_drv.so is what you are looking for |
| 16:11.15 | Cyb3r-Assassin | not sure if anyone answered this. my internet blipped. |
| 16:11.40 | rjcks | Cyb3r-Assassin: have you run apt-get update ? |
| 16:11.41 | `Kevin | sdg: which is in package xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:12.27 | sdg | don't know |
| 16:12.30 | sdg | why i asked |
| 16:12.33 | Cyb3r-Assassin | I haven't used debian in a long time and was having a bit of trouble on an upgrade. It's not wanting to bring a few packages up because of deps but it wont correct them even forcefully individually. Now sure exactly how to correct it with apt. https://bpaste.net/show/44573f532949 |
| 16:12.40 | _abc_ | Is there a feature on current or past (stable) debian live dvds or other bootable images, where they can seek and use a possibly compressed volume as a file or partition and use that as home directory or otherwise make the data available (exec init script in it etc) at boot time, without user intervention? |
| 16:13.21 | mtn | Cyb3r-Assassin: this might be usefull: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 16:14.03 | _abc_ | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian I guess I'm guilty as charged ;) |
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| 16:16.09 | sdg | let me wait for apt-get to finish so I can download apt-file |
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| 16:17.19 | dracc | Hi! I've recently run "aptitude purge courier-imap-ssl" and rebooted my system, but I still get a failed service named "courier-imap-ssl.service" when running "systemctl --failed", what to do to remove it? |
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| 16:21.25 | Cyb3r-Assassin | rjcks: that bpaste is what apt-get update produces |
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| 16:22.08 | rjcks | Cyb3r-Assassin: isn't that from apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:23.30 | Cyb3r-Assassin | yes it is sorry rjcks . However I did just run an update first. |
| 16:24.03 | mtn | Cyb3r-Assassin: obviously you broke your sources. read the link or do /msg dpkg frankendebian |
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| 16:24.30 | Cyb3r-Assassin | The breakage is after updating this box from squeeze to whatever current it I think wheezy. All went good but I think this is the last hang up lurking. |
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| 16:27.31 | RichiH | a long-running find foo -exec md5sum {} is stuck on a fifo |
| 16:27.47 | RichiH | i already deleted the fifo, but md5sum is still stuck |
| 16:27.53 | RichiH | any way to unclog that? |
| 16:28.21 | Cyb3r-Assassin | mtn: I didn't jump stable to unstable though. Just stable to stable. All of that should work out cleanly. |
| 16:28.47 | rjcks | Cyb3r-Assassin: can you remove libc6-dev and libc6-dev-bin ? |
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| 16:29.58 | rjcks | Cyb3r-Assassin: it's a big upgrade after a long time not touching the system, right? |
| 16:31.49 | mtn | Cyb3r-Assassin: you don't have a clean sources setup. you also have none debian things in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 16:34.38 | sdg | How can I downgrade MesaLib? |
| 16:35.03 | sdg | What package is mesa? https://wiki.debian.org/Mesa and https://packages.debian.org/ca/source/jessie/mesa don't seem to say much |
| 16:35.22 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 16:35.22 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:36.03 | sdg | this libgles1-mesa ? |
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| 16:38.53 | sdg | What package is MesaLib in? |
| 16:39.50 | nkuttler | !tell sdg about apt-file |
| 16:40.05 | sdg | I know about apt-file. |
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| 16:40.15 | sdg | There has to be a better way then that? |
| 16:40.53 | sdg | have an entire contents.gz on my hd |
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| 16:41.27 | _abc_ | Re: live cd/dvd + persistent storage of settings on hdd or stick: been reading http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=470174 which has at least one enlightening message, and https://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD which has some references to persistent setting storage. Is there a howto specifically for this, persistent data storage on debian live cd/usb stick? Kernel params, how to name partitions etc? I can't seem to find a howto |
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| 16:44.19 | nkuttler | _abc_: what do you mean by persistent settings? |
| 16:44.51 | nkuttler | _abc_: do you just want a persistent home, or only parts of it, or more? |
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| 16:45.26 | _abc_ | nkuttler: It is described in the forum thread. A live cd has only its own settings normally. Persistent settings means the live cd searches and finds a partition, file, or similar item on rw media present in the system with settings which overide the live defaults |
| 16:45.47 | _abc_ | Peristent home and especially init scripts in it which are executed at boot time. |
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| 16:46.08 | _abc_ | I have some really weird setting for networking and for testing some hw devices I made which need to be put in there. |
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| 16:52.46 | topi` | is LUKS/dm-crypt still the best bet for root disk encryption? |
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| 16:58.09 | ChrisH | topi`: Its the only one I tested and it works very well for me. |
| 16:58.11 | _abc_ | Best how? As in, they can't break it? |
| 16:58.24 | _abc_ | Also the algorithm is selected later independently I think. |
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| 17:04.40 | topi` | _abc_: I was also thinking of its suitability in a debian setup |
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| 17:05.06 | naptr | debian should just make grub3 and place systemd in a larger MBR. =) |
| 17:05.09 | topi` | there are more questions when moving to debian/jessie ... since dm-crypt depends on an initramfs to setup the crypto at boot time, does it work with systemd? |
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| 17:06.11 | ansgar | topi`: Yes, because what the initramfs does is unrelated to what systemd does (unless you use dracut). |
| 17:06.30 | topi` | so I just prepare an initramfs as usual? |
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| 17:06.38 | ansgar | topi`: Also, systemd supports luks/cryptsetup. |
| 17:06.52 | topi` | I'm pretty new to systemd, and have already faced some issues when I upgraded to debian/jessie, but so far so good |
| 17:07.04 | topi` | I'm pretty happy about how quickly it boots/halts |
| 17:07.50 | ansgar | topi`: Yes. I have several encrypted systems and they just work fine. There is a problem if you use keyscripts that's not fixed as of yet (I think). |
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| 17:09.05 | topi` | other thing I'm thinking of, is setting up debian in such a way that there are *two* bootable roots in the system, and if the other one gets hosed, then auto-switch to the other one. Maybe this is already supported in some form? |
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| 17:09.47 | ansgar | topi`: Also, if you have multiple encrypted filesystems that ask for a password after the initramfs, you have to install plymouth. Otherwise systemd will prompt for multiple passwords at the same time... (I use one encrypted LVM which does not have such problems.) |
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| 17:09.53 | topi` | also I've heard that with systemd, it's possible to mount /etc readonly and have all configuration done at runtime evaporate at the time of reset (which is good for our case) |
| 17:09.57 | topi` | kind of a stateless system. |
| 17:10.37 | ansgar | topi`: Well, you can just boot with sysvinit by passing init=/lib/sysvinit/init if systemd has issues on your system. |
| 17:11.02 | topi` | in our case, issues are more likely caused by errors in Flash chips and such. |
| 17:11.10 | topi` | sysvinit cannot save us from those :) |
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| 17:11.55 | ansgar | topi`: Well, then RAID-1? (Though that assumes that the device actually reports an error instead of just giving corrupt data.) |
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| 17:12.39 | topi` | one thing RAID-1 can't do is to let the system fail gracefully in case of a botched apt-get upgrade |
| 17:12.53 | topi` | having manually selected boot partition would allow such failover |
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| 17:15.11 | Iridos | your backups would allow for such a failover, too :) |
| 17:15.55 | ansgar | topi`: So you basically want a system snapshot before upgrades that you can revert to? |
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| 17:18.42 | ChrisH | topi`: about how many systems are we talking? |
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| 17:22.07 | topi` | Iridos: the system has to be able to recover unattended |
| 17:22.25 | topi` | ChrisH: many, and only a few humans :) |
| 17:22.48 | topi` | with some basic heuristics, even a machine can sometimes make the right decisions |
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| 17:23.48 | ChrisH | topi`: why not consider a orchestration tool like saltstack or ensible or ... PXW boot and push config if box failed or mixed up. Users learn fast that local files might vanish :) |
| 17:23.56 | topi` | are there other options for root encryption than dmcrypt/cryptsetup? |
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| 17:24.01 | topi` | from debian point of view |
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| 17:24.22 | phy1729 | ChrisH: ansible? |
| 17:24.44 | topi` | ChrisH: yeah, I'm familiar with ansible, that's one sort of path towards the solution |
| 17:25.17 | ChrisH | phy1729: http://www.ansible.com/home similar to saltstack |
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| 17:25.42 | phy1729 | ChrisH: yeah just confirming the s/ensible/ansible/ |
| 17:26.03 | ChrisH | phy1729: Its late :) |
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| 17:44.12 | topi` | anyone maintaining a "private" debian repo from where all disk images for production are built? |
| 17:44.24 | topi` | I'm contemplating on various bits of tooling available |
| 17:44.29 | topi` | like mini-dinstall |
| 17:45.04 | topi` | the intent is to go for a smallest subset of debian packages that we need, and have that subset in the repo |
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| 17:45.21 | topi` | and then you just install all packages (or according to a recipe), at the image building time |
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| 17:45.40 | topi` | we intend to support both x86_64 and armhf repositories |
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| 18:40.13 | roothorick | so why does xspice need all the Xorg drivers? I was under the impression it's a remote access only deal so it doesn't use video or input hardware at all |
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| 18:41.45 | qu | Man, I just did a dist-upgrade, and it really HOSED ME OVER. |
| 18:41.56 | qu | Impossible dependency Hell. |
| 18:42.15 | qu | Even aptitude couldn't fix it. |
| 18:42.34 | qu | Looks like I have to do a full reinstall of my main server. |
| 18:42.37 | roothorick | I want a "headless" X server that's only accessible via some remote protocol i.e. VNC or RDP |
| 18:42.48 | roothorick | but I can't find such a thing in the repo |
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| 18:44.21 | RoyK | roothorick: can't you just run the apps you need with remote X over ssh? |
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| 18:44.47 | roothorick | RoyK: they need to stay running when the client disconnects |
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| 18:45.49 | RoyK | roothorick: what sort of stuff is this? most serverside processes don't need X |
| 18:45.55 | xk05 | maybe this is a shell question, but if i start "nm-applet &" in a term it works except for glib warnings which print to the term when im doing other things. maybe i missed bash 101 but how do you stop it? |
| 18:46.09 | roothorick | RoyK: .NET based game server intended for Windows |
| 18:46.20 | roothorick | but it doesn't use XNA so I think it has a fighting chance with Mono |
| 18:46.23 | RoyK | roothorick: try freenx |
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| 18:46.44 | roothorick | RoyK: apt-cache search freenx returns nothing...? |
| 18:47.03 | RoyK | roothorick: I don't think it's in the official repos - google it |
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| 18:48.31 | roothorick | I probably should give it a test run on my laptop first |
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| 18:56.06 | ValdikSS | Hello there |
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| 18:56.19 | ValdikSS | Will OpenVPN be patched in testing and how soon it will be? |
| 18:56.23 | ValdikSS | https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/SecurityAnnouncement-97597e732b |
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| 18:58.44 | roothorick | welp. That didn't fly anyway. And I don't know if I want to play with Wine on a headless server... |
| 18:59.29 | pizzaface9 | hello. i just installed debian on a latitude e7440. my problem is that it doesn't discover the wifi-card (installation said nothing about non-free either) and every third (or so) time i exit xorg, it hangs with a black screen |
| 18:59.45 | pizzaface9 | i installed 7.7 stable... should i try testing, or something? i think that laptop is like 6 months old |
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| 19:01.21 | Nik05 | pizzaface9 testing is now in freeze and gets released after taht as stable, you can try it |
| 19:01.28 | Nik05 | but wheezy should probably work too... |
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| 19:01.53 | Nik05 | what kind of wifi chip do you have? or what laptop do you have? |
| 19:01.54 | pizzaface9 | is it very difficult to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 19:02.04 | ValdikSS | pizzaface9: no at all |
| 19:02.05 | pizzaface9 | dell latitude e7440 |
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| 19:04.46 | pizzaface9 | usually the install complains about non-free wifi-firmware |
| 19:05.02 | pizzaface9 | this time, nothing. ifconfig has nothing but eth0 and lo |
| 19:05.20 | Nik05 | what do you see in kernel log? |
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| 19:05.50 | pizzaface9 | dmesg? |
| 19:06.05 | Nik05 | yes do you see the chipset of your card? |
| 19:06.40 | Nik05 | pizzaface9 or can you find it in # lspci ? |
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| 19:08.33 | pizzaface9 | Nik05, well, it has both ethernet controller (intel) and another network controller (intel) |
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| 19:09.41 | Nik05 | yes pizzaface9 but the wireless one? |
| 19:10.07 | pizzaface9 | not unless that mysterious one called network controller is it |
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| 19:10.34 | roothorick | pizzaface9: check lsusb too |
| 19:10.38 | Nik05 | pizzaface9 does lspci list something with wireless? |
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| 19:10.50 | roothorick | (miniPCIe has USB pins. Some manufs can't be arsed to design a different IC.) |
| 19:11.01 | pizzaface9 | Nik05, no |
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| 19:11.38 | pizzaface9 | roothorick, hmm, does have two intel corp usb devices. no more details what they are, other than intel |
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| 19:11.43 | roothorick | pizzaface9: no entry starting with "Network controller"? |
| 19:11.49 | roothorick | pizzaface9: check see if iwlwifi is loaded |
| 19:12.16 | markizano | pizzaface9: can you pastebin: `lspci; lshw -c network; ifconfig -a' |
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| 19:12.25 | pizzaface9 | roothorick: lsmod | grep -i iwl has nothing |
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| 19:13.34 | roothorick | pizzaface9: you can google the VendorID/ProductID to get an idea what they are |
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| 19:14.21 | Nik05 | pizzaface9 do what markizano said ;) |
| 19:14.38 | roothorick | pizzaface9: btw 8087:07DA is the bluetooth component of some Intel miniPCIe cards |
| 19:14.54 | roothorick | which isn't recognized by lsusb on my Ubuntu laptop |
| 19:15.10 | pizzaface9 | hmm. they are webcam and mousepad, apparently |
| 19:15.12 | pizzaface9 | the lsusb ones |
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| 19:15.33 | markizano | oh yah |
| 19:15.36 | markizano | and pizzaface9 do that as root |
| 19:15.43 | roothorick | ...er? |
| 19:15.46 | markizano | if you don't have lshw - apt-get/yum install lshw |
| 19:15.56 | roothorick | since when does Intel do webcam and touchpad ICs |
| 19:16.16 | pizzaface9 | oooh, lspci and check vendor id of one of them seems like it's an intel 7260 wifi card |
| 19:16.26 | Nik05 | can you give us a paste? |
| 19:16.35 | Nik05 | also of lshw -c network ? |
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| 19:17.05 | pizzaface9 | heh, i must disconnect this puter with irc and plug the laptop with cable then. |
| 19:17.08 | pizzaface9 | i can do that |
| 19:17.15 | Nik05 | huh what? :S |
| 19:17.16 | pizzaface9 | since i have only one cable and no switch |
| 19:17.17 | markizano | wat ? |
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| 19:17.34 | markizano | yeah, i usually ethernet on my laptop when i'm trying to get wifi |
| 19:17.38 | markizano | easy access to clipboard and all |
| 19:17.47 | markizano | then, once i get wifi working, i can disconnect |
| 19:17.48 | roothorick | even Lenovo's "Intel purist" configurations use Synaptics SerIO chips |
| 19:18.07 | pizzaface9 | okay, i can lshw -c network and come back within 5 mins, i think |
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| 19:18.20 | Nik05 | pizzaface9 are you not connected with the laptop? |
| 19:18.21 | roothorick | pizzaface9: modprobe iwlwifi then check the tail end of dmesg |
| 19:18.46 | roothorick | which is just SOP for figuring out why a driver doesn't init correctly |
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| 19:21.46 | Nik05 | hello pizzaface9 |
| 19:22.03 | pizzaface | hello |
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| 19:22.09 | Nik05 | got it working? |
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| 19:22.17 | pizzaface | lshw -c network says i have two network cards |
| 19:22.25 | Nik05 | yes thats probably true |
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| 19:22.29 | pizzaface | one ethernet interface and one "network controller" which says UNCLAIMED behind it |
| 19:22.32 | Nik05 | can you post the stuff on paste.debian.net ? |
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| 19:22.47 | pizzaface | the unclaimed one does not have a logical name... the other one does, and its name is eth0 |
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| 19:23.46 | Nik05 | pizzaface can you paste it? and can you do what roothorick said? |
| 19:23.55 | abrotman | might want to update-pciids |
| 19:24.54 | Nik05 | ah thank you abrotman |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | and update-usbids |
| 19:25.24 | pizzaface | modprobe iwlwifi and tail dmesg doesn't refer to anything new. just says eth0 cable was removed |
| 19:25.28 | pizzaface | which was the last thing i did |
| 19:25.45 | pizzaface | running update-pciids now. i hope it's supposed to take a long time |
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| 19:26.05 | abrotman | should take about 10 seconds |
| 19:26.07 | Nik05 | no its not suppose to take a long time |
| 19:26.11 | abrotman | Unless you're on dialup |
| 19:26.14 | pizzaface | lsmod | grep iwl says iwlwifi is loaded |
| 19:26.21 | abrotman | (does the system have any network?) |
| 19:26.22 | pizzaface | but /sbin/ifconfig doesn't show anything |
| 19:26.25 | abrotman | pizzaface: lspci -k |
| 19:26.30 | pizzaface | no, it has no network |
| 19:26.38 | abrotman | then you can't update-pciids |
| 19:26.43 | Nik05 | ;p |
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| 19:26.57 | abrotman | Did you install the firmware for iwlwifi? |
| 19:27.07 | pizzaface | installer said nothing about non-free this time |
| 19:27.16 | pizzaface | so i didn't do anything special |
| 19:28.18 | pizzaface | i will try with ethernet. brb |
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| 19:30.47 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 19:31.04 | Shadow_7 | pizzaface: does dmesg show anything interesting about the driver |
| 19:31.12 | pizzaface3 | i ran update-pciids, update-usbids and installed firmware-iwlwifi now |
| 19:31.19 | HD|Laptop | I have two different repos A and B in sources.list, where A and B provide different sets of packages |
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| 19:31.46 | HD|Laptop | how do I tell apt-get to install only the package foo from repo B, but choose *all* other packages from repo A? |
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| 19:32.43 | pizzaface3 | if i rmmod and modprobe iwlwifi, it says Intel wifi driver for linux, in-tree |
| 19:32.50 | pizzaface3 | in dmesg, that is |
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| 19:35.25 | caraconan | Hi there. Trying to install airtime. So far: http://paste.debian.net/134473/ |
| 19:35.27 | Shadow_7 | pizzaface3: nothing about firmware? does "ifconfig -a" show the interface? |
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| 19:35.57 | caraconan | Question: how to port mp3gain package to my CPU? https://packages.debian.org/sid/m68k/mp3gain/download |
| 19:35.59 | caraconan | Thanks |
| 19:36.02 | pizzaface3 | Shadow_7, nope. but now lshw -c network shows it as an intel 7620 |
| 19:36.18 | pizzaface3 | Shadow_7, after running those update commands and getting iwlwifi firmware package |
| 19:36.27 | Shadow_7 | pizzaface3: did you install linux-firmware-nonfree ? |
| 19:36.46 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop with apt-cache policy you can see the properties of the different repositories, those properties you can also use for pinning |
| 19:37.08 | HD|Laptop | gimme a second, my ssh just broke |
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| 19:37.15 | HD|Laptop | I hate mobile internet. |
| 19:37.15 | pizzaface3 | Shadow_7, nope, i can try that |
| 19:37.55 | pizzaface3 | Shadow_7, will disconnect for a sec while i do |
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| 19:40.18 | pizzaface4 | Shadow_7, installed nonfree now |
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| 19:40.22 | qu | Any projection when Jessie goes Stable? Today's dist-upgrade hosed my server, and I have no TV. |
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| 19:41.39 | Shadow_7 | pizzaface4: probably need firmware-iwlwifi in your case |
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| 19:41.56 | pizzaface4 | Shadow_7, already intalled it |
| 19:42.11 | Shadow_7 | I had to get one realtek myself. And the driver from github since it's new-ish and only supported in that one |
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| 19:42.33 | qu | Will there be a time when Debian uses true systemd, rather than just translating sysv files? |
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| 19:42.47 | hxm | hello guys, i have a problem with apt-get, http://pastebin.com/XhxMQ2X2 |
| 19:43.09 | hxm | i try to install something, it asks for install libc6, i do, it fails because other dependence, and a dependence requires the same dependence i cant install |
| 19:44.13 | qu | hxm you have an ancient system. |
| 19:44.24 | hxm | i swear it |
| 19:44.42 | hxm | it is a uncommon chipset |
| 19:44.59 | qu | Upgrade your hardware and OS. |
| 19:45.23 | hxm | uname -m |
| 19:45.23 | hxm | armv5tejl |
| 19:45.24 | Shadow_7 | hxm: why not linux-image-486 ? that's the more common non-pae option these days |
| 19:45.30 | jhutchins | WHeezy is ancient? |
| 19:45.41 | hxm | the system tries lenny |
| 19:45.52 | qu | Says lennie. |
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| 19:46.02 | hxm | i tried upgrade with wheezy but cant |
| 19:46.33 | hxm | trying with 486 now |
| 19:46.57 | qu | That won't work if you have an ARM chip. |
| 19:47.09 | hxm | so damn |
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| 19:47.27 | qu | Break down and upgrade HW. |
| 19:47.36 | hxm | :( |
| 19:47.47 | Shadow_7 | or build your own kernel... qemu or otherwise |
| 19:48.04 | qu | Hey, I'm completely down and busted too, from todays dist-upgrade. |
| 19:48.09 | jhutchins | hxm: You need to go lenny->squeeze->wheezy, trying to skip versions is what causes problems like this. |
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| 19:48.58 | qu | Will there be a time when Debian uses true systemd, rather than just translating sysv files? |
| 19:49.26 | knob | We are going straight to systemdv2.0 |
| 19:49.46 | qu | Pure, or sysv translated like it is now? |
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| 19:51.20 | jhutchins | sysv compatibility will be maintained for a while, probably multiple releases. |
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| 20:06.19 | dondelelcaro | qu: more and more things will provide unit files, which will be used instead of init.d files. |
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| 20:06.31 | dontknow | one of my observation is that wheezy downloads about 10 mb each time when using apt-get update. but jessie downloads couple of kb. it looks like jessie doesn't download whole package list. is it possible to achieve this on wheezy? |
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| 20:06.55 | qu | dondelelcaro: All the major apps already have .service files. |
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| 20:07.32 | dondelelcaro | qu: lots of things provide them, yes. But not everything does. |
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| 20:07.45 | qu | And some things don't work because of this darned translation system. |
| 20:07.53 | dondelelcaro | qu: like what? |
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| 20:08.42 | qu | I've had to make my own custom unbound, mythtvd, dnscrypt,e fails. and so on because the sysv->systemd kludg |
| 20:08.58 | qu | bah, damned touchpad... |
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| 20:09.36 | qu | I've had to make my own custom unbound, mythtvd, dnscrypt and so on because the sysv->systemd kludg,e fails. |
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| 20:10.28 | qu | local-system-resume/suspend fails. |
| 20:10.48 | qu | gpg-agent... |
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| 20:11.20 | dondelelcaro | qu: I'm not sure what any of that has to do with sysv-generator. |
| 20:11.29 | pizzaface | now i'm on the laptop with network cable... |
| 20:11.36 | qu | But now I have to completely reinstall Debian on my big server because today's dist-upgrade destroyed the dependency system |
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| 20:12.02 | qu | sysv-generator can't cope with the above. Try them. |
| 20:12.14 | dondelelcaro | qu: you almost certainly don't have to completely reinstall. |
| 20:12.34 | dondelelcaro | qu: and in specific cases where the generator does the wrong thing, use an appropriate service file. |
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| 20:12.53 | qu | Nothing can fix the dependency hell it's in now. 15 years of running Debian and I've never seen it this bad. |
| 20:13.09 | caraconan | Hi there. Trying to install airtime. So far: http://paste.debian.net/134473/ |
| 20:13.10 | caraconan | Question: how to port mp3gain package to my CPU? https://packages.debian.org/sid/m68k/mp3gain/download |
| 20:13.18 | dondelelcaro | qu: it can almost certainly be fixed. But we can't possibly help you unless you give us specifics. |
| 20:13.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell qu -about bat |
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| 20:13.39 | qu | Suggestion: Don't do a dist-upgrade for a couple days, if you know what's good for you. |
| 20:14.02 | dondelelcaro | qu: can you either provide details, file a bug, or stop, please? |
| 20:14.13 | qu | Unfortunately I can't ssh to the machine because many core files are missing. |
| 20:14.20 | dondelelcaro | qu: so? use a serial console |
| 20:14.30 | qu | There isn't kne attached. |
| 20:14.54 | dondelelcaro | so you can't access the machine, you think it was a problem with a dist-upgrade, but you're not sure, because you have no console. |
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| 20:16.20 | qu | I have the HDMI console of course, but I have to start the projector for that. And I worked with it long enough this morning to see how bad it is. It's missing some core debian-install-? file I can't remember. And it's not possible to install or deinstall anything because of that. |
| 20:16.45 | qu | ... whether with apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 20:16.59 | hxm | well made it run, now im scared to upgrade |
| 20:17.06 | dondelelcaro | qu: it's always possible to install things... |
| 20:17.15 | hxm | does squeeze support arm? |
| 20:17.19 | pizzaface | hmm, i try to mark text in terminal and then middle-click to paste in browser.... it has always worked, but not any more. any ideas? |
| 20:17.43 | pizzaface | urxvt, openbox. works on every other computer i have |
| 20:17.49 | jelly-home | hxm: only armel and armhf |
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| 20:18.10 | hxm | armv5tejl? |
| 20:18.15 | hxm | thats a different thing, no? |
| 20:18.30 | jelly-home | hxm: v5t ought to work with armel userspace |
| 20:18.45 | hxm | so there is a hope that'll work |
| 20:20.01 | caraconan | How to install the mp3gain package? |
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| 20:21.02 | pizzaface | if mark text in terminal and middle-click in another window does not work, what could be wrong? |
| 20:21.40 | babilen | caraconan: "apt-get install mp3gain" |
| 20:21.44 | dondelelcaro | caraconan: I think you actually want easymp3gain, but mp3gain itself is no longer in Debian. |
| 20:21.54 | dondelelcaro | (well, it's in squeeze, but not in any later versions) |
| 20:21.56 | babilen | (should still be in wheezy though) |
| 20:21.59 | dondelelcaro | ,versions mp3gain |
| 20:22.01 | judd | Package: mp3gain on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-4; wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1 |
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| 20:22.10 | dondelelcaro | babilen: ah, right |
| 20:22.28 | dondelelcaro | misread his rmadison output as squeeze-only |
| 20:22.39 | babilen | easymp3gain might still be the better option (in case caraconan is simply looking for a suitable program for adjusting the gain) |
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| 20:22.54 | caraconan | babilen: just trying to install airtime |
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| 20:23.05 | caraconan | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:23.12 | dondelelcaro | caraconan: no problem |
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| 20:24.07 | caraconan | babilen: same error. Thanks anyway |
| 20:24.18 | caraconan | How hard is to install airtime... I will look for an alternative |
| 20:24.22 | babilen | "same error" ? What is the error? |
| 20:24.31 | pizzaface | can i make a xorg.conf with only "emulate 3 buttons: yes"? |
| 20:25.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell pizzaface -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 20:26.23 | babilen | pizzaface: I'd recommend to simply create a minimal file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d (say, 20-mouse.conf) with a InputDevice section in there. See mouse(4) for suitable options. |
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| 20:27.00 | caraconan | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/134473/ |
| 20:27.08 | caraconan | babilen: airtime : Depends: mp3gain but it is not installable |
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| 20:29.20 | babilen | caraconan: Please don't try to install the m68k package as you are not using that architecture. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy mp3gain" as well? |
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| 20:29.44 | babilen | (and "apt-get install mp3gain" along with "aptitude install mp3gain") |
| 20:30.14 | caraconan | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/134482/ |
| 20:30.31 | caraconan | doing 2nd thing |
| 20:31.18 | caraconan | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/134483/ |
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| 20:33.09 | babilen | caraconan: You are not tracking wheezy but jessie or sid. This channel rather specialises in wheezy (i.e. current stable) support rather than that of jessie or sid. Please mention that you use a development release and/or seek support in the specific channel we provide for that, which is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) |
| 20:34.05 | babilen | mp3gain is, as mentioned earlier, not available in versions later than wheezy, but you *might* be able to simply grab the amd64 mp3gain package from wheezy (from http://packages.debian.org ) and install it manually. That *might* work, but then you might also want to look into alternatives to airtime. |
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| 20:35.02 | caraconan | babilen: thanks, but seriously, is the first time that I hear about #debian-next, but good to know. Thanks for your help |
| 20:35.48 | abrotman | babilen: ha! cf. |
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| 20:38.20 | caraconan | babilen: thanks, apparently it worked. The installation process is going ahead |
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| 20:40.17 | babilen | wonderful |
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| 20:42.07 | brontosaurusrex | exit |
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| 20:43.49 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, the repositories show up as 500, and /var/lib/dpkg/status as 100 |
| 20:44.04 | HD|Laptop | I guess this is something like a priority, lower=bigger priority? |
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| 20:48.54 | HD|Laptop | argh, what a mess. |
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| 20:49.37 | HD|Laptop | the repo which I want to "eliminate" is shown in apt-cache policy as release o=Raspberry Pi Foundation,n=wheezy,l=Raspberry Pi Foundation,c=main |
| 20:50.18 | HD|Laptop | but Pin: o="Raspberry Pi Foundation",n=wheezy,l="Raspberry Pi Foundation",c=main |
| 20:50.19 | HD|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.21 | HD|Laptop | What in blazes |
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| 20:51.04 | [exa] | Hi everyone! |
| 20:51.21 | [exa] | what is the easiest way to get E16 (older enlightenment WM version) to debian jessie? |
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| 21:02.15 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:09.53 | goldenlight | DexterF: after it's done. |
| 21:10.34 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop can you paste the apt-cache policy output? |
| 21:10.50 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, of course |
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| 21:11.29 | marioxcc` | Hello. Apart from the manuals, what documentation do you suggest to learn to set up and maintain a MySQL database? |
| 21:11.51 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, http://paste.debian.net/134493/ |
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| 21:14.37 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop so which two do you want to pin? |
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| 21:16.19 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, I want to pin everything from the archive.raspberrypi.org repo to -1 (not install at all), except the three packages raspberrypi-bootloader,rpi-update and raspi-config |
| 21:17.06 | Nik05 | oh so thats wheezy, the other one is testing |
| 21:17.20 | Nik05 | so you can pin it on wheezy |
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| 21:18.01 | HD|Laptop | so I can basically forget about the entire space-escaping, unless the maintainers of archive.raspberrypi.org create a testing repo? |
| 21:18.13 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, this is what I'd planned... http://paste.debian.net/134494/ |
| 21:18.34 | HD|Laptop | so, replace every Pin with "n=wheezy" and this should work? |
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| 21:19.11 | Nik05 | i guess so |
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| 21:23.32 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, W: Did not understand pin type n=wheezy |
| 21:23.51 | HD|Laptop | whats wrong there? |
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| 21:25.42 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, Oh, I fixed this one. The pin works... well halfway |
| 21:25.52 | Nik05 | ok cgood :) |
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| 21:27.17 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, http://paste.debian.net/134496/ - this works, but apt-get upgrade seems to ignore the pinning and wants to upgrade libpixman-1-0 anyway |
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| 21:41.31 | hxm | upgrading from squeezy to wheezy i got this http://pastebin.com/PQBKzwEd |
| 21:41.46 | hxm | but i was able to upgrade to squeeze with no problem, no idea what asking that now |
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| 21:42.23 | hikenboot | is there anything that mirrors partitions across the network from live cd to live cd? I had thought that i read somewhere they were going to extend gparted to do this |
| 21:42.43 | nkuttler | hxm: well, did you boot into your new kernel? |
| 21:42.50 | hxm | i believe so |
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| 21:42.58 | hxm | or maybe no |
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| 21:43.33 | hxm | i dont even have grub |
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| 21:44.31 | hxm | uname -r says 2.6.24.4 |
| 21:44.54 | hxm | in fact the only kernel it is in /lib/modules |
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| 21:50.01 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop its still pinned at 500 not soemthing else |
| 21:50.54 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, but I pinned all packages to -1, how can that be? |
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| 21:51.35 | Nik05 | did you do and apt update? |
| 21:52.03 | HD|Laptop | not yet |
| 21:52.12 | Nik05 | ;) |
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| 21:52.14 | newbsduser | hello, guys i want to use vip resource (ipaddr2) with a my own custom service resource agent on active massive clustering senario... question is: do i have to use MS policy (crm configure ms ...) .. is that MUST? what u think? (pacemaker-corosync) |
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| 21:52.27 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, didnt help |
| 21:52.33 | Nik05 | strange |
| 21:52.36 | HD|Laptop | screw that, I'm off to bed. |
| 21:52.46 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop can you paste apt-cache policy output again? |
| 21:52.53 | HD|Laptop | sec |
| 21:53.32 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, http://paste.debian.net/134499/ |
| 21:53.51 | Nik05 | hm that last part says it i guess :P |
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| 21:54.07 | Nik05 | and line 3 that should be -1 http:// etc... |
| 21:55.17 | HD|Laptop | yeah exactly, but why it doesn't understand the pinning I have no idea |
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| 21:56.46 | Nik05 | http://paste.debian.net/134501/ HD|Laptop what if you do that? |
| 21:56.53 | Nik05 | and nothing else |
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| 21:58.08 | Nik05 | or Pin: release n=wheezy // HD|Laptop |
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| 22:00.13 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop you can also use Pin: origin "example.com" to pin on a hostname |
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| 22:04.14 | hxm | http://pastebin.com/CEs4W12a is someone compatible? |
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| 22:05.27 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop are you still here? We can do it! :P |
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| 22:06.47 | Nik05 | hxm lenny repository...? |
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| 22:06.57 | matthiaskrgr | o/ Nik05 |
| 22:07.06 | Nik05 | hei hei |
| 22:07.12 | hxm | i try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and apt says i need upgrade the kernel first |
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| 22:08.20 | matthiaskrgr | hrm, after ~10 hours of waiting, disk erasing is still at 25% :( |
| 22:08.33 | hxm | dafuq |
| 22:08.39 | Nik05 | matthiaskrgr how are you erasing? |
| 22:08.42 | matthiaskrgr | so 1.5 more days to wait ? |
| 22:08.49 | matthiaskrgr | Nik05: I dunno, the debian installer does it somehow |
| 22:08.55 | Nik05 | lol what? :P |
| 22:09.00 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, I am but my internet uplink is not. |
| 22:09.02 | mRMan_ | Hello there I am having some odd things go on with the repo. I can not get a ping on it but can ping google. Example: ping ftp.us.debian.org returns ping: unknown host ftp.us.debian.org but ping 8.8.8.8 returns good stuff. But I can not update and or upgrade;. |
| 22:09.08 | matthiaskrgr | Nik05: as part of "partition disks" process |
| 22:09.11 | mRMan_ | thanks |
| 22:09.12 | matthiaskrgr | 1 TB hdd |
| 22:09.50 | Nik05 | mRMan_ its your DNS |
| 22:09.50 | mRMan_ | it is like a resolve issue. |
| 22:09.57 | Nik05 | matthiaskrgr stop the installation and do it again |
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| 22:10.00 | HD|Laptop | apt-get update ETA 30min |
| 22:10.00 | HD|Laptop | not joking, for some reason I only have ~6 kbyte/sec downstream |
| 22:10.19 | mRMan_ | Nik05, because I am behind vpn sshed in ? or because resolv stuff ? |
| 22:10.25 | HD|Laptop | it's ridiculous, even if its mobile internet |
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| 22:10.42 | matthiaskrgr | ah I don't even have to stop entire installation <3 |
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| 22:10.56 | matthiaskrgr | sp let's go for "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" |
| 22:10.57 | Nik05 | well just restart the disk partitioning |
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| 22:12.10 | mRMan_ | thanks Nik05 I cahnged my resolv.conf file and it is working have a good one and thanks again |
| 22:12.10 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop hm thats not so good |
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| 22:12.49 | matthiaskrgr | hmm, I cannot say which file systems I want? |
| 22:12.54 | matthiaskrgr | or does that come later... |
| 22:13.09 | Nik05 | well you are doing a guided one, i guess not :P |
| 22:13.18 | matthiaskrgr | :( |
| 22:13.28 | ompaul | you choose - a level suitable |
| 22:13.55 | ompaul | matthiaskrgr: I suggest you do the initial install |
| 22:14.10 | ompaul | sit back for 10 minutes think what you'd like different |
| 22:14.27 | ompaul | then blow the install away and do a second one this time with more confidence |
| 22:14.49 | matthiaskrgr | ompaul: initial install? |
| 22:14.56 | matthiaskrgr | you mean chose all the default options ? |
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| 22:14.57 | ompaul | piece of advice - don't be mean with the size of the / and /home divisions |
| 22:15.16 | Nik05 | hxm did you first do a apt-get upgrade and after that a apt-get distupgrade? |
| 22:15.17 | ompaul | matthiaskrgr: do default then don't is what I'm saying |
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| 22:15.27 | matthiaskrgr | ?? |
| 22:15.27 | ompaul | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:15.34 | Nik05 | yes oke |
| 22:15.34 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, it sucks totally. I hope my provider manages to inspect that damn cell BTS |
| 22:15.34 | HD|Laptop | told me max 48h until I get a reply^^ |
| 22:15.35 | hxm | yep |
| 22:15.41 | ompaul | matthiaskrgr: it's ok I'll disappear and the confusion will too |
| 22:15.44 | matthiaskrgr | :( |
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| 22:16.05 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop wait your connection is really that bad? |
| 22:16.06 | ompaul | matthiaskrgr: you either read the install manual or you take default stuff |
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| 22:16.12 | ompaul | either |
| 22:16.13 | ompaul | or |
| 22:16.14 | matthiaskrgr | ok |
| 22:16.32 | ompaul | matthiaskrgr: what I'm saying is do the default look at the layout - think if you would have done it different |
| 22:16.34 | HD|Laptop | "6.030 B/s 10 min 26 s", I can get better internet via a POTS modem Oo |
| 22:16.36 | ompaul | then make choices |
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| 22:17.21 | matthiaskrgr | I want home, var, tmp, / partitions with different file systems if possible, if not, all btrfs |
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| 22:17.48 | matthiaskrgr | well, I will continue tomorrow |
| 22:17.51 | matthiaskrgr | too tired now |
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| 22:19.03 | Nik05 | im going too, see you later and good luck |
| 22:19.09 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, it is a f....g HSDPA+ connection with a 14.5 Mbit stick -.- |
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| 22:19.33 | Nik05 | HD|Laptop have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 22:19.38 | jhutchins | ompaul: That's a good way of putting it. Defaults or rtfm. |
| 22:19.44 | cafuego | Sounds like the joys I used to get on my cheapie 3G stick in a densely populated area. |
| 22:20.04 | HD|Laptop | but apparently something has broken in the BTS serving my home, because in the train and everywhere I have full speed |
| 22:20.31 | cafuego | Well, it's summer, go outside and play in a park withd ecent speeds :-) |
| 22:20.41 | Nik05 | summer... |
| 22:20.50 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, its not just the datastick, cellphone is affected too |
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| 22:21.41 | cafuego | Oh, it *also* is what happened to by 3G right after my telco had obviously decided they wanted everyone to upgrade to 4G instead. |
| 22:21.51 | ompaul | jhutchins: not out of badness :P |
| 22:22.03 | ompaul | jhutchins: because there seems to be a confusion about what a default is |
| 22:22.09 | ompaul | you have a choice |
| 22:22.18 | ompaul | you just have to understand what that choice is |
| 22:22.24 | ompaul | and understand that there is aprice |
| 22:22.29 | ompaul | a price that is |
| 22:22.45 | HD|Laptop | cafuego, heh even on 2G EDGE I have connectivity issues |
| 22:22.57 | HD|Laptop | Personally I believe in some backhaul problems |
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| 22:23.26 | cafuego | My telco are evil, they totally degraded services on their non top-tier plans. |
| 22:23.30 | HD|Laptop | there are loads of construction sites in the area, maybe someone dug through a 200-thread fiber |
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| 22:23.41 | cafuego | Sadly they're the only ones with 8actual* connectivity out in the countryside |
| 22:24.19 | HD|Laptop | cafuego, the worst thing are the mandatory minimum contract lengths for fucking POTS DSL |
| 22:24.24 | HD|Laptop | two years lol |
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| 22:24.39 | HD|Laptop | what bullshit is this, I dont even know if I'll still be in Germany in two years |
| 22:24.58 | jhutchins | ompaul: No, my formulation is a bit too blunt, but I totally agree with your explanation, and it'll inform some of my own responses on other questions. |
| 22:25.05 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, 200 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy/main armhf Packages |
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| 22:25.14 | HD|Laptop | Looks like this worked... |
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| 22:25.31 | ompaul | jhutchins: the business answer is this, get information and then make a decision and move on |
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| 22:25.49 | ompaul | once you make the decision you should have been informed |
| 22:26.02 | ompaul | if you weren't you were careless, and maybe worse ;-) |
| 22:26.07 | ompaul | jhutchins: ^^ |
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| 22:26.43 | HD|Laptop | Nik05, seeya tomorrow |
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| 22:27.12 | r00t-err0r | I have problems with my apt list, any other option for serbia updates instead pmf kg ac rs ???? My sources.list --->>> http://paste.debian.net/134507/ |
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| 22:28.41 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: http.debian.net will find you the best one http://http.debian.net/ |
| 22:29.16 | jhutchins | r00t-err0r: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 22:29.30 | ompaul | jhutchins: that http. stops having to think ;- ) |
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| 22:30.13 | ut_ | Is there a good introduction to Exim administration that someone could point me to that is less... terribly comprehensive... than the book on exim.org? |
| 22:30.20 | jhutchins | ompaul: One learns to conserve resources :-) |
| 22:30.25 | r00t-err0r | cool, tnx guys ;) |
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| 22:31.50 | ompaul | ut_: not the answer you may want but I do postfix :) |
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| 22:32.04 | ompaul | knows there are shorter books on PF |
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| 22:32.44 | ut_ | ompaul: hahah. I was thinking Exim is the default on Debian, so it ought to be the path of least resistence. I could go with Postfix though. |
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| 22:33.04 | ompaul | ut_: you see what I did there? |
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| 22:33.29 | cafuego | recalls the sendmail author saying he'd use postfix |
| 22:34.51 | ut_ | ompaul: shorter books. |
| 22:35.22 | ompaul | ut_: you got that |
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| 22:35.52 | ut_ | grins |
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| 22:37.33 | touki | Hi guys, I'm on wheezy and I need libmysqlclient16 |
| 22:37.41 | touki | The actual lib is 18. |
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| 22:37.45 | cafuego | need? |
| 22:37.48 | touki | Any idea how to get the 16? |
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| 22:38.02 | touki | cafuego: a software used needs the 16. |
| 22:38.26 | ompaul | ,v libmysqlclient |
| 22:38.27 | judd | No package named 'libmysqlclient' was found in i386. |
| 22:38.39 | ompaul | I give up I'm going to sleep |
| 22:38.39 | cafuego | Is there an up to date version of that software? |
| 22:38.57 | ompaul | touki: what is that software you want to run] |
| 22:39.02 | cafuego | gently pushed ompaul out the door |
| 22:39.15 | ompaul | trips up and falls down the stairs |
| 22:39.22 | ompaul | shouts back nn I'm gone |
| 22:39.28 | cafuego | totally an accident, your honour |
| 22:39.29 | touki | ompaul: a software not so much know used in research area for economic simulation, and I don't have the sources. |
| 22:40.04 | ompaul | touki: without a name we can't suggest a solution that may help |
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| 22:40.14 | ompaul | touki: unless you build a VM and do mad things to it |
| 22:40.16 | cafuego | touki: A *VERY* hacky thing to try is to use `ldd' to get the library filename the app wants, then create a symlink with that name pointing at the newer lib. |
| 22:40.19 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 22:40.19 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 22:40.31 | jhutchins | touki: Sometimes you can get away with creataing a symlink to the earlier version, but the right way is to get a package that uses the current version. |
| 22:40.57 | touki | ompaul: Metropolis is the name, but I bet it won't be usefull at all to you. |
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| 22:42.11 | touki | Ok. Thanks cafuego and jhutchins. |
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| 22:50.12 | jhutchins | touki: If you do create a symlink, make a note somewhere of what you did so you can clean it up later. |
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| 22:51.18 | dave_den | how are packagers supposed to determine which init system is being used? |
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| 22:58.11 | dondelelcaro | dave_den: they shouldn't need to in most cases |
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| 23:04.45 | touki | Hey guys, how can I symlink libmysqlclient.so.16 (needed) to libmysqlclient.so.18 (installed) |
| 23:04.48 | touki | ? |
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| 23:07.22 | r00t-err0r | touki, if you use 64bit, try cd /usr/lib64 |
| 23:07.28 | r00t-err0r | and then ln -s |
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