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| 00:02.54 | YAMAMOTO | hello |
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| 00:04.06 | eurobit | you back to cause more trouble? |
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| 00:07.50 | eurobit | aren't you 6 days early? |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | Eh .. |
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| 00:10.22 | jhutchins | YAMAMOTO: eurobit is trying to be funny. |
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| 00:12.12 | eurobit | what does he want with nick and in all caps? |
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| 00:13.36 | sheap | is it possible to tell tasksel to source the .desc files from a different directory? |
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| 00:16.17 | eurobit | sheap as soon as everyone is back from googling his nick you will get yer question questioned |
| 00:16.55 | sheap | eurobit: what? |
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| 00:28.36 | abrotman | sheap: I don't believe so |
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| 00:29.06 | abrotman | sheap: it lists two directories in the man page |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | eurobit: Please stop being difficult, if you need to goof off, try ##chat |
| 00:31.56 | sheap | abrotman: yea read those just curious if it was at all possible, thansk! |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | sheap: you could symlink to another location I suppose? |
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| 00:40.50 | eurobit | abrotman: thanks for the trick - they don't allow people to speak who just come from #debian it seems |
| 00:41.50 | dizzylizzy | i'm in xfce and I find I can't browse a volume over ssh with ease in thunar |
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| 00:42.08 | dizzylizzy | any recommendations of graphical file browsers that work over ssh? |
| 00:42.51 | vook | sshfs - not really a direct answer, but that's one way to solve your problem. |
| 00:43.41 | rainfyre | dizzylizzy: try ncdu |
| 00:44.18 | eurobit | dizzylizzy: emelfm2 |
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| 00:48.15 | dizzylizzy | ncdu is also something i've been looking for, wow |
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| 00:51.58 | eurobit | what? ncdu has nothing to do with graphical file browser |
| 00:52.06 | eurobit | right abrotman |
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| 00:58.17 | dizzylizzy | but it's still a cool ncurses file size browser |
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| 01:13.39 | NP-Hardass | how does one prevent the apt-get install process from starting a service while installing? |
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| 01:14.46 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: depends on the service in question |
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| 01:15.14 | SirLagz | NP-Hardass: lol, I was wondering the EXACT same thing just then |
| 01:15.17 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: I am attempting to install dovecot-* and it keeps attempting to start the service (and hanging my install) |
| 01:15.50 | eurobit | NP-Hardass: i wouldn't mess with the apt-get install process - so after installing it use rcconf to uncheck it |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: some daemons use /etc/default/<daemon-name> and you can create that file before installation and set the ENABLE=NO or something like that |
| 01:16.55 | NP-Hardass | eurobit: the problem here is that it is trying to start the daemon during the install sequence and is causing the install sequence to hang and not finish |
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| 01:17.11 | abrotman | seems ENABLED=0 |
| 01:17.16 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: I'll try that right now and see if that helps the situation |
| 01:17.26 | eurobit | NP-Hardass: what server is this? |
| 01:17.33 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: look in apt-file show <pkgname> to see if that file exists |
| 01:17.49 | NP-Hardass | eurobit: dovecot is the service in question |
| 01:18.24 | eurobit | how many times are you installing it so that it a problem? |
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| 01:19.27 | NP-Hardass | eurobit: this happened on my first install attempt. it complained that it didn't have the pem file. Fact of the matter is, I intend to import and adjust my configs before running it anyway, so I don't even want it to start at the moment |
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| 01:20.50 | eurobit | edit the dovecot.conf file? does it exist? or i'd make the cert and be done with it |
| 01:21.13 | eurobit | you can use any openssl cert too |
| 01:21.15 | NP-Hardass | eurobit: hehe, yeah, I'll consider that as another possible solution if I can't get it to work the other way :P |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: is this wheezy? |
| 01:21.30 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: wheezy with dovecot installed from testing |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: that's a dangerous game to play on an internte-accessible system |
| 01:21.58 | Cyb3r-Assassin | is there a patch I haven't found for vmware vmplayer6? Player crashes when launching vm, log states exit with status 0 Invoking the modules |
| 01:22.07 | Cyb3r-Assassin | on wheezy |
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| 01:22.19 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: to have one package from testing? |
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| 01:22.35 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: it's about the security (and in your case, the bugs) in the package |
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| 01:23.28 | lru | is there a 32bit version of /usr/bin/ldd that I can use on 32 bit dynamically linked binaries on a 64 bit system to know what libraries I need to install? |
| 01:23.46 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: I guess so. Though "stable" and "testing" don't necessarily imply bugs in either direction, no? I have been running the version in testing, in another distro, so I would consider that acceptible risk, unless you have a compelling argument otherwise. |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: http://bugs.debian.org/src:dovecot Would be a great place to start |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: especially this gem |
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| 01:25.05 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 771407 |
| 01:25.10 | dpkg | #771407:G[dovecot-imapd] server startup fails (); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:39:02 UTC [] |
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| 01:25.51 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: which covers your exact (from what I can tell) issue |
| 01:26.00 | NP-Hardass | thanks for the resource, abrotman. Haha, guess I should have glanced at the bug tracker. |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: I saw that with a two second glance |
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| 01:27.38 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: I need to get in the habit of checking bug trackers as a first response :P |
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| 01:28.37 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: Again, also consider security issues |
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| 01:28.46 | abrotman | judd: versions dovecot-imapd |
| 01:28.47 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.15-7+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.9-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.2.13-6; sid: 1:2.2.13-7; experimental: 1:2.2.15-1 |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: also note, updated packages exist in wheezy-backports, a more sane approach |
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| 01:29.39 | abrotman | Thouhg, it lags jessie a smidge |
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| 01:30.50 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: so if I set up the source I would use "aptitude install -t wheezy-backports <blah>" |
| 01:30.53 | NP-Hardass | ? |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:31.53 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: That is a reasonable suggestion. I guess I'll give that a try. Thank you. |
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| 01:33.49 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: beware, it has some of the same security implications .. Do you really need dovecot2.2? |
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| 01:33.57 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: understood. |
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| 01:35.03 | abrotman | NP-Hardass: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729063 |
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| 01:40.50 | Cyb3r-Assassin | i figured it out. Permissions issue with broken implementation of gksu |
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| 01:41.53 | lru | what is the difference between the lib32* libraries and the lib:i386 libraries? |
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| 01:42.53 | NP-Hardass | abrotman: well, I managed to get it all installed with the default ENABLED change and wheezy-backports. Thank you again for all of your help, and all of the advice regarding unstable/testing packages |
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| 01:44.23 | lru | nevermind, I found it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/319739/difference-between-installing-libxi386-and-lib32x |
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| 03:43.21 | Zerock | I forgot the dpkg bot's command to tell me the kernel version... |
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| 03:47.27 | toeshred | would it make more sense to install Jessie fromt he beta 2 installer, or use a weekly/daily build? |
| 03:47.53 | toeshred | netinstall |
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| 04:15.02 | toeshred | would it make more sense to install Jessie from the beta 2 installer, or use a weekly/daily build? |
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| 04:22.44 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 04:22.58 | someHuman | I'm new to Debian :) |
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| 04:23.46 | someHuman | I have to do a project proposal for my thesis. I want to do Free Software. |
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| 04:24.10 | someHuman | It also could not just be any Free Software, it has to be something popular among masses. |
| 04:24.15 | someHuman | What could that be? |
| 04:24.36 | someHuman | Wikipedia is out of the options, for some reason my university do not want us to use that. -_- |
| 04:25.10 | someHuman | They're also affiliated with Microsoft -_- |
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| 04:27.17 | toeshred | debian is a really good choice actually |
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| 04:28.12 | toeshred | debian is community distro, which alone is something you could talk alot about. |
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| 04:28.57 | toeshred | many universities don't like you using wikipedia because they think it is a shortcut to doing research. |
| 04:29.40 | devBanjo | someHuman: maybe your university doesnt want wikipedia because you could expose the politics behind and in wikipedia;) |
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| 04:30.41 | devBanjo | someHuman: what about the gnu project? |
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| 04:32.59 | ruukasu | >We hope to be able to release Debian GNU/Hurd for wheezy. |
| 04:33.06 | ruukasu | little late for that, huh? |
| 04:33.11 | someHuman | ruukasu: So looking forward to that! |
| 04:33.14 | someHuman | GNU/Hurd! |
| 04:33.16 | someHuman | :D |
| 04:33.19 | toeshred | mozilla netscape/firefox has a very interesting history |
| 04:33.22 | devBanjo | ruukasu: where you found that? |
| 04:33.30 | ruukasu | devBanjo: https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ |
| 04:33.34 | someHuman | devBanjo: Yeah GNU is fine too. |
| 04:33.56 | someHuman | devBanjo: I just want to talk about a specific Free Software right now. |
| 04:34.09 | someHuman | GNU seems like a very huge topic to cover. |
| 04:34.23 | someHuman | devBanjo: My topic should be IT related. |
| 04:34.25 | devBanjo | ruukasu: i think the page just doesnt get updated |
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| 04:34.32 | someHuman | devBanjo: Like, Wireshark. |
| 04:34.45 | devBanjo | isnt gnu IT!? |
| 04:34.59 | devBanjo | so a software product? |
| 04:35.06 | devBanjo | an explicit one |
| 04:35.07 | devBanjo | ? |
| 04:35.08 | someHuman | devBanjo: A specific software. |
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| 04:35.57 | someHuman | I tried proposing TBB, but my supervisor isn't comfortable. |
| 04:36.10 | someHuman | She sees Tor as somewhat illegal. |
| 04:36.10 | devBanjo | i think mozilla/firefox would be interesting. with the change they have done and all that |
| 04:36.27 | someHuman | Hmm, |
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| 04:36.59 | someHuman | Should I talk about how Mozilla/Firefox should go back to how awesome they were before unlike now that they're implementing these DRMs? |
| 04:37.22 | devBanjo | i think this is one point |
| 04:37.34 | devBanjo | drm/ads |
| 04:37.46 | someHuman | I think Mozilla needs money. |
| 04:37.52 | toeshred | that might not be the best thing because there is little objectivity to it. unless this is for debate class or something. |
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| 04:38.13 | devBanjo | layout for dumbs(like the epiphany browser, now called "web") |
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| 04:38.43 | someHuman | I think I can talk about Debian. |
| 04:39.08 | devBanjo | is debian specific software? |
| 04:39.09 | someHuman | Debian is Free Software by default right? |
| 04:39.16 | toeshred | Debian would be a great thing to talk about, I think. |
| 04:39.26 | toeshred | Yeah Debian is free software if you do a normal install. |
| 04:39.36 | devBanjo | debian is a collection of free software, pressed in one distribution |
| 04:39.40 | toeshred | You can add non-free stuff later, but it isn't given to you by default. |
| 04:39.58 | someHuman | devBanjo: I know, that was just my preference sorry. |
| 04:40.02 | someHuman | But it is still IT related. |
| 04:40.18 | devBanjo | its asked in the installed, if i remember right toeshred |
| 04:40.38 | toeshred | devBanjo: maybe expert install it does. |
| 04:40.40 | someHuman | Ok, so I'll tell you guys the requirements in order for a project proposal to be approved. |
| 04:40.43 | devBanjo | like gnu;) but debian is a good topic too i think |
| 04:40.53 | toeshred | i don't remember seeing that option in the last couple debian installs i've done. |
| 04:41.06 | someHuman | The project proposal should be in context to IT. |
| 04:41.20 | someHuman | Uh-oh. |
| 04:41.22 | someHuman | Wait. |
| 04:41.33 | devBanjo | toeshred: maybe im wrong with that. doesnt remember for sure. maybe it was some other distro based on debian;) |
| 04:41.47 | toeshred | devBanjo: maybe crunchbang or something. |
| 04:41.50 | someHuman | Ok, I'll resume to telling the requirements. |
| 04:42.13 | devBanjo | toeshred: maybe:) |
| 04:42.42 | someHuman | I should be able to do primary data collection from at least 100 people, e.g. questionarres. |
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| 04:43.24 | someHuman | Would be even better if the topic is popular like for example, Chrome web browser. |
| 04:43.32 | toeshred | someHuman: should be smple enough if you are allowed to use a poll on a forum such as reddit.com/r/debian, as long as the poll follows the website rules on the sidebar. |
| 04:43.33 | someHuman | Becaues it'd be easy for me to gather infos. |
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| 04:43.47 | devBanjo | someHuman: chrome is not 100% free |
| 04:43.53 | someHuman | devBanjo: I know. |
| 04:43.55 | shingouz | umm... what has this got to do with debian support? |
| 04:44.07 | someHuman | devBanjo: Was gonna say that :P |
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| 04:44.42 | someHuman | toeshred: I'm doing primary data collection. |
| 04:44.54 | devBanjo | shingouz: supporting one debian user;) |
| 04:44.57 | someHuman | toeshred: Meaning I have to do it personally. |
| 04:45.14 | toeshred | shingouz: i asked a support related question twice and didn't get an answer earlier, and the channel seemed pretty dead otherwise. |
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| 04:45.37 | toeshred | someHuman: it would definitely be difficulty to personally interview 100 debian users. |
| 04:45.54 | someHuman | AFAIK, it has to be that way. |
| 04:45.54 | toeshred | would take awhile at least. |
| 04:46.15 | someHuman | Yup. |
| 04:46.43 | someHuman | What I do have to do is research on Debian and how I can do this for my project proposal. |
| 04:46.50 | someHuman | I have to submit it this Thursday. |
| 04:47.04 | someHuman | The data collection happens later. |
| 04:47.22 | someHuman | I'm sure Debian's pretty popular here where I live. |
| 04:47.32 | shingouz | toeshred: as for your question, it is already somewhere wayyyyy behind on the scrollback with all this "support" going on here. do a netinstall and dist-upgrade to whatever you want later. the testing installers are testing, maybe they do not work completely. use the stable installer |
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| 04:47.40 | someHuman | There's also a Red Hat office here, so I think that's something helpful :D |
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| 04:48.03 | shingouz | someHuman: /topic |
| 04:48.33 | someHuman | shingouz: Sorry :) |
| 04:48.37 | someHuman | Guys I'll move to OT |
| 04:48.47 | shingouz | thanks |
| 04:48.54 | devBanjo | someHuman: on debian.org you have a lot of info |
| 04:49.11 | toeshred | shingouz: But if i did it that way, wouldn't I end up with sysvinit? |
| 04:49.11 | devBanjo | for research |
| 04:49.29 | someHuman | Thanks! |
| 04:50.04 | shingouz | toeshred: you'd be surprised with what the dist-upgrade does |
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| 04:51.11 | someHuman | Why isn't IceCat in repos? |
| 04:52.02 | shingouz | toeshred: on the other hand, if you happen to have the jessie installer somewhere, try it. it *is* in testing so that people actually use it and report bugs etc. if it does not work without some serious hoop-jumping, report on the bugs you found and use the stable installer |
| 04:52.29 | shingouz | !icecat |
| 04:52.29 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #637348. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:52.31 | devBanjo | someHuman: because iceweasel is. iceape was dropped some month ago too, because of lack of developers/supporter |
| 04:53.02 | toeshred | shingouz: I have Jessie running on a home server right now, and I remember using the Jessie installer for it (but before systemd), so even a dist-upgrade on that server still keeps it with sysvinit. |
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| 04:55.50 | shingouz | toeshred: do an apt-cache show systemd on your box, there is some info about how to install it |
| 04:56.48 | devBanjo | apt-get install systemd-sysv. isnt that all to do!? |
| 04:56.56 | toeshred | oh, i see. i need systemd-sysv installed as well. thanks. |
| 04:56.58 | shingouz | should be |
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| 04:58.12 | shingouz | be prepared for some funkiness at the first boot, though. there should not be anything but... major chcange in the system... |
| 04:58.20 | devBanjo | but i must say the name of the systemd releated packages are really confusing at the first look:) |
| 04:58.44 | toeshred | i've gotten used to systemd since arch started using it, and i definitely like it better. |
| 04:59.23 | toeshred | one of the reasons i prefer Jessie over Ubuntu Gnome right now is because of systemd. And also Gnome v3.14, while ubuntu still using 3.10 or so. |
| 04:59.45 | toeshred | Actually a third and very imporant reason of course: i prefer debian over ubuntu anyway. |
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| 05:00.18 | devBanjo | but ubuntu has systemd in repos or not!? |
| 05:00.36 | shingouz | who cares :p |
| 05:00.46 | devBanjo | me not:) |
| 05:01.19 | toeshred | i tried installing systemd using some guide i found for ubuntu. it crashed the whole thing. |
| 05:01.26 | toeshred | luckily that was just in a VM. |
| 05:01.55 | shingouz | toeshred: that goes to show how different debian and a based-on-debian can be. |
| 05:02.18 | toeshred | yeah, ubuntu seems to have problems anytime you stray from the norm. |
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| 05:04.40 | shingouz | it is all the automagic stuff in it. just imagine trying to automate configs despite/for/against/with anything a clever user does. impossible. |
| 05:05.21 | devBanjo | debian has some automatic stuff too:) |
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| 05:05.45 | shingouz | some =! lots |
| 05:07.54 | devBanjo | yeah ok. but ubuntu wants to be as easy to use as possible. i could live with that. the point is i cant trust ubuntu going the way they do |
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| 05:13.05 | toeshred | ubuntu sacrifices simplicity for convenience. |
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| 05:16.30 | devBanjo | im not a technical or programmer or something like that, so i dont really know how you could things easy. but i think its to some point ok doing this. ubuntu i meant for people too who doesnt even know anything bout computer/OS |
| 05:16.50 | shingouz | there is much to say about conf files that are easily accessible, documented and editable over ssh with vi/emacs |
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| 05:17.13 | devBanjo | but looking at distros like slitaz, antix, crunchbang i see, there is an other way too doing this |
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| 05:19.44 | toeshred | i agree that ubuntu works the way they do because of the users they want to impress. |
| 05:20.30 | toeshred | they wan the whole 'convergence' thing, but they are straying further from debian as they do that. |
| 05:20.34 | devBanjo | yeah. you can say it this way;) |
| 05:21.39 | devBanjo | i dont think ubuntu wants convergence. they want an OSX-like position |
| 05:22.30 | someHuman | devBanjo: They want money. |
| 05:22.38 | toeshred | stallworth said in a video he wanted convergence of the desktop-phone-tablet. |
| 05:22.50 | someHuman | stallworth? |
| 05:22.56 | toeshred | i forget his name |
| 05:23.10 | someHuman | toeshred: You aren't talking about RMS right? |
| 05:23.10 | toeshred | shuttleworth |
| 05:23.13 | someHuman | Haha! |
| 05:23.14 | devBanjo | think about the licenses the do |
| 05:23.25 | someHuman | AFK, gotta rest. |
| 05:23.52 | devBanjo | toeshred: saying and doing, we know, is not the same |
| 05:23.57 | someHuman | I'll come back to talk again about my project proposal. |
| 05:24.15 | shingouz | someHuman: in #debian-offtopic next time, ok? |
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| 05:24.18 | toeshred | the original ubuntu for android was an attempt at convergence. |
| 05:24.28 | toeshred | using one device as a phone and desktop PC. |
| 05:24.51 | toeshred | plug it into a dock and it became an arm-powered unity desktop on a big screen. |
| 05:25.02 | toeshred | they dropped that project, and just have ubuntu phones now. |
| 05:25.11 | shingouz | toeshred: devBanjo this really belongs in #debian-offtopic... |
| 05:25.26 | devBanjo | collate ubuntu with android i think is good. very similar philosophy |
| 05:25.37 | devBanjo | shingouz: sorry;) |
| 05:25.49 | devBanjo | im not in there:P |
| 05:26.13 | shingouz | devBanjo: try a nicely crafted /join :p |
| 05:26.21 | toeshred | shingouz: sorry bout that. i'm about done talking about it anyway. |
| 05:26.22 | devBanjo | hehe |
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| 07:22.52 | XeBlackWater | Salut |
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| 07:45.41 | AndreasLutro | I installed the non-free nvidia drivers but they didn't work well - monitors refused to turn on. upon uninstalling my second monitor doesn't work, I suspect I'm using a different driver than I did before - any hints on what I should do? |
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| 07:47.24 | oskie | AFAIK the other driver is called 'nv' |
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| 07:49.06 | AndreasLutro | so that's what I should add as the device driver in xorg.conf? any way to check what driver I'm currently using? |
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| 07:49.37 | Skyrider | Greetings everyone. |
| 07:50.21 | Skyrider | I'm curious.. Is it wise to install packages as different user(s)? eg, nginx as webhost, fpm as PHP, or using a single user for all software packages. |
| 07:50.27 | Skyrider | rather than using root, that is. |
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| 07:55.47 | AndreasLutro | if I use `lshw -c video` there is no driver listed under configuration, hm. |
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| 07:58.24 | rwp | Skyrider, Each of those packages will create unique non-priviledged users for those automatically. |
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| 07:58.48 | rwp | Skyrider, So you install using root, as required. The package will run those daemons as non-root. |
| 07:59.00 | Skyrider | That's good to know :) |
| 07:59.12 | Skyrider | Though sometimes through htop I see stuff running as root. |
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| 08:01.09 | rwp | Sometimes it is necessary to launch as root so that the daemon can attach to ports below 1024 and then it changes uid to the non-priv user. |
| 08:02.26 | rwp | Skyrider, For nginx and php5-fpm the default user is www-data for both of those. Can always set up additional fpm users in the pool config if you have several unrelated projects to keep apart. |
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| 08:04.57 | AndreasLutro | fixed it... I hope - apt-get purge nvidia-*, there must've been some leftover junk |
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| 08:35.39 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 08:36.26 | cousin_luigi | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/bd3007d2 <- What do I do if I see this? |
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| 08:38.20 | swordsmanz | cousin_luigi that is the first isign of the apocolypes |
| 08:38.36 | swordsmanz | you should start digging a bunker |
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| 08:41.25 | Skyrider | hi swordsmanz |
| 08:41.37 | swordsmanz | hi Skyrider |
| 08:41.46 | Skyrider | I checked out the load on my VPS between debian & ubuntu. |
| 08:42.01 | Skyrider | server load on debian, beween 0.1 / 0.4 |
| 08:42.09 | Skyrider | and ubuntu has a load of 2.0+ |
| 08:42.37 | Skyrider | with a max of 3.08 |
| 08:42.38 | swordsmanz | did i help you with something yeasterday morning ? |
| 08:42.45 | Skyrider | you don't remember? :( |
| 08:42.56 | swordsmanz | i was really sleepy |
| 08:42.57 | Skyrider | our convo with debian / ubuntu.. and the rage of non-command lines (webmin) |
| 08:43.05 | swordsmanz | ahh yes |
| 08:43.08 | swordsmanz | sorry |
| 08:43.08 | Skyrider | ^^ |
| 08:43.18 | swordsmanz | i was really sleepy yesterday |
| 08:43.27 | Skyrider | aww :( |
| 08:43.28 | swordsmanz | and really just babbeing |
| 08:43.29 | Skyrider | but it was sunday. |
| 08:43.31 | Skyrider | not monday. |
| 08:43.55 | swordsmanz | yeah thats still yesterday to me lol |
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| 08:44.27 | Skyrider | ^_^ |
| 08:44.33 | swordsmanz | one of the cli admin only evangalists was on right ? |
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| 08:44.43 | Skyrider | Trying to reinstall Debian 7 (minimal).. but its terribly slow.. |
| 08:44.47 | Skyrider | unsure if it's the image, or the host. |
| 08:45.07 | Skyrider | good Q.. I have to check logs |
| 08:45.50 | Skyrider | not sure, could have been in the ub, channel. |
| 08:46.16 | swordsmanz | is never in the ubuntu chan .... too much retardation there |
| 08:46.23 | Skyrider | lol |
| 08:46.30 | Skyrider | but you mentioned you saw me in the ub, channel. |
| 08:46.34 | Skyrider | So I assume you were there as well |
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| 08:47.27 | swordsmanz | sings ..... "instant ramen in a cup ..... with processed hotdogssss " |
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| 08:47.38 | Skyrider | mmhh, noodles |
| 08:47.39 | Skyrider | good idea. |
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| 08:48.29 | Skyrider | I just hope I can get wine to work this time. |
| 08:48.40 | Skyrider | stupid dependencies issues. |
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| 08:48.58 | swordsmanz | has anyone tryed out that linux/windows hybryd kernal ? |
| 08:49.46 | Skyrider | nope :o |
| 08:49.57 | Skyrider | apt-get: command not found |
| 08:50.04 | Skyrider | I accidently installed centos.. |
| 08:50.21 | swordsmanz | lol derp |
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| 08:51.07 | swordsmanz | http://www.longene.org/en/index.php < this one |
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| 08:52.37 | Skyrider | never heard of it. |
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| 08:53.42 | swordsmanz | me nether |
| 08:54.04 | swordsmanz | but im tempted to try to compile whatever crazynedd they are serveing up |
| 08:54.52 | Skyrider | lol :) |
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| 08:58.28 | swordsmanz | Skyrider so you gonna stick with centos or reinstall debian ? |
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| 09:00.15 | hxm | someone have idea why transmission receives and sends nothing? |
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| 09:03.24 | swordsmanz | hxm you listen port is blocked ? |
| 09:03.48 | hxm | i think i opened every ports on router for this nat |
| 09:03.56 | hxm | but i can make a portscan online |
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| 09:04.55 | dpkg | gives Simplar camera |
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| 09:05.18 | Simplar_ | !help camera |
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| 09:10.41 | hxm | swordsmanz: thanks! you gave me a way |
| 09:11.34 | Skyrider | I'm back to debian. |
| 09:11.44 | Skyrider | I prefer a quick-reinstallation of an OS i'm used to. |
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| 09:19.08 | Skyrider | great... |
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| 09:20.41 | [exa] | Hi everyone |
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| 09:21.14 | Skyrider | mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.5; however: |
| 09:21.21 | Skyrider | really? on a new debian OS? |
| 09:21.24 | [exa] | What's the easiest way to use packages from some older debian distribution in new one? e.g. packages from oldstable in jessie? |
| 09:21.32 | jelly-home | !tell Skyrider about bat |
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| 09:22.20 | Skyrider | I merely used apt-get install mysql-server .. that's it, on a new (minimal) Debian 7 OS.. fresh. |
| 09:22.38 | Skyrider | 1 sec |
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| 09:23.20 | Skyrider | http://paste.debian.net/134542/ |
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| 09:32.36 | ShiroNeko | hello, how can i install handbracke 0.10 in debian wheezy |
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| 09:33.45 | Skyrider | This is just bad.. imo |
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| 09:34.26 | ChrisH | Skyrider: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/392051 for an idea what might have happened. |
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| 09:36.24 | Skyrider | That's it? I needed bsdutils? |
| 09:36.26 | Skyrider | Good to know. |
| 09:37.01 | Skyrider | Thanks |
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| 10:06.56 | hxm | i found transmission is listening in udp |
| 10:06.58 | hxm | is that normal? |
| 10:07.02 | plotino | hello |
| 10:07.11 | plotino | i have updated to wheezy |
| 10:07.22 | plotino | but i have a bad problem withmanpages |
| 10:07.40 | plotino | it seems that alla man pages have been corrupted |
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| 10:07.59 | plotino | the displaying of some characters are not visible in the man page |
| 10:08.06 | plotino | just for example |
| 10:08.15 | plotino | "man ls" displays |
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| 10:08.39 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.39 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.39 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.39 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.25 | eugenmayer | Good morning. Since there is no fix for openvpn regarding https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-8104 in squeeze, how risky is it to try to install the weezy package into (then a frankenstein) squeeze distro? |
| 10:16.23 | osram | eugenmayer: it likely won't work due to failing dependencies |
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| 10:16.52 | osram | eugenmayer: the wheezy packages would depend on more recent glibc, etc. |
| 10:17.39 | eugenmayer | i see ;/ |
| 10:18.08 | osram | eugenmayer: squeeze has LTS support - I suspect a fixed package shouldn't be far off |
| 10:18.16 | sexyboy | 6 |
| 10:18.20 | eugenmayer | LTS included, but not yet there |
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| 10:19.00 | ShiroNeko | eugenmayer: i have added the official openvpn repo in my apt.conf |
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| 10:19.12 | bezoka | hello |
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| 10:20.09 | osram | eugenmayer: read https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/SecurityAnnouncement-97597e732b |
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| 10:20.31 | osram | eugenmayer: it may make it less urgent for you |
| 10:20.35 | bezoka | I will check if on my netbook will run debian |
| 10:20.37 | bezoka | how do it? |
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| 10:21.16 | ChrisH | bezoka: boot from a live cd or netinstall cd |
| 10:21.28 | bezoka | I dont have that netbook yet |
| 10:21.30 | bezoka | I will buy :D |
| 10:22.06 | ShiroNeko | a new one or a used one? |
| 10:22.27 | bezoka | new one |
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| 10:23.15 | ChrisH | bezoka: google for notebook name and linux in general. If its a bleeding edge HW you might need backports kernel or even testing/unstable |
| 10:23.16 | ShiroNeko | well then debian should be fine |
| 10:24.18 | rebelos | guys link for amd64 Live CD not working ? |
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| 10:24.40 | rebelos | tried reloading page several times but not able to click it |
| 10:25.08 | ShiroNeko | bezoka: is there any model yet, you would like to buy? |
| 10:26.09 | bezoka | Acer E3-â111 N2930 |
| 10:26.12 | bezoka | I think that |
| 10:26.21 | osram | wasn't aware Debian LIVE CDs existed. |
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| 10:27.18 | osram | rebelos: try here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 10:28.17 | ChrisH | bezoka: http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/forum/Notebooks/ACER/Linux+Mint+17+Installation+von+USB-Stick (german, but the trick seems to be use: acpi=off and set to legacy boot) |
| 10:28.26 | rebelos | osram, Thank you Bro |
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| 10:29.00 | ChrisH | bezoka: page 5 has a short howto. in 5 steps |
| 10:29.10 | bezoka | ChrisH: so in that netbook debian will works? |
| 10:29.44 | osram | rebelos: you're welcome |
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| 10:30.30 | ChrisH | bezoka: it looks like. I never had major issues with any notebook. expect from this UEFI Stuff, which is mentioned in the 5 steps. |
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| 10:31.21 | bezoka | ChrisH: okay, thanks a lot |
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| 10:34.19 | eugenmayer | osram: thank you! |
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| 10:37.17 | osram | eugenmayer: any time. |
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| 10:39.00 | Halma | which is the SMALLEST and maybe without dependenvcies, SVN / Subversion packet avaible on the market ? |
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| 11:04.09 | stylesen | I have a uefi based bios, debian testing stops at partitioning at efi partition formatting, can someone help me to solve the problem? |
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| 11:13.42 | Halma | did someone knows which is the smalles svn command line utility ? |
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| 11:15.04 | r4co0n | Hi. I am desperately trying to setup a Windows share in wheezy. The setup just automagically works with win7. I triple-checked I got the right credentials and tried various ways. With gnome/nautilus "connect to server", with smbclient and with mount -t cifs... What now? |
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| 11:15.21 | r4co0n | I think it's just some option I need to set. |
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| 11:16.07 | alt^255 | Hi all. I'd like to use the 'inconsolata' font for xterm, but can't seem to find it in xfontsel. |
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| 11:21.23 | petn-randall | r4co0n: What happens if you try to use nautilus/smbclient/mount? |
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| 11:22.52 | Walex2 | alt^255: thanks for informing us... |
| 11:23.14 | r4co0n | petn-randall, with mount, i either get "mount error(115): Operation now in progress" or "invalid username or password", i can't reproduce the second one atm, dog knows why... |
| 11:23.29 | alt^255 | Walex2: sorry I wasn't clear - is there a way to reload the font cache? I thought installing a new font would do just that |
| 11:23.52 | Walex2 | r4co0n: does "setup a Windows share in Wheezy" mean "mount a SMB share from a Debian client"? |
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| 11:24.13 | r4co0n | Walex2, yeah, that's what I meant |
| 11:24.34 | Walex2 | alt^255: 'xterm' can use one of *two* font systems. the native X11 one and the Xft/FontConfig one. |
| 11:24.45 | r4co0n | I don't know what they run on the server, i suppose it's win-whatever |
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| 11:25.04 | Walex2 | alt^255: to select an X11 font use '-fn', to select an Xft/FontConfig font use '-fa'. |
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| 11:25.48 | r4co0n | petn-randall, smb-client says Connection to <IP/> failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL) |
| 11:26.08 | Walex2 | r4co0n: if you are using 'xterm -fa' and 'inconsolata' is configured under Xft/FontConfig, you can run 'fc-list' to see which fonts are available, and use 'fc-cache' to rebuild the Xft/FontConfig cache. |
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| 11:26.27 | Walex2 | r4co0n: the servers does not totally matter, whart matters is the authentication |
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| 11:27.19 | Walex2 | r4co0n: and knowing the exact details for the share. There are several types of shares, and the most important aspect of the type is the authentication needed to access it. |
| 11:27.39 | r4co0n | Walex2, i tried with just specifying the user on command line and with a credentials-file... |
| 11:27.50 | Walex2 | r4co0n: MS-Windows people call that how to "login" to the share. |
| 11:27.54 | alt^255 | Walex2: thanks, that's what I needed - fc-list |
| 11:28.11 | r4co0n | nautilus says "Error: Failed to mount Windows share" |
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| 11:28.29 | Walex2 | r4co0n: use the command line 'smbmount' tool first... |
| 11:28.59 | Walex2 | r4co0n: but even before that ask whoever is publishing the share which "login" method it has been setup for. |
| 11:29.00 | r4co0n | Walex2, u mean smbclient ? |
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| 11:30.08 | r4co0n | Walex2, I wrote the server admin about my attempts, we'll see if he answers - It's a company share |
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| 11:31.01 | Walex2 | r4co0n: if it is a company share most likely it will have "domain" login. |
| 11:31.52 | Walex2 | r4co0n: 'smbclient' is a client a bit like 'ftp', what I was thinking about is called 'mount.cifs' nowadays |
| 11:32.47 | r4co0n | Walex, I am trying with mount.cifs, or mount -t cifs, which is the same afaik |
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| 11:33.16 | Walex2 | r4co0n: but you are trying at random, because you don't know yet which type of share is that... |
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| 11:33.57 | r4co0n | Does someone know of a way to find this out with the windows install where the share is working? |
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| 11:36.27 | r4co0n | Walex2, how can I tell mount.cifs to try the domain login method? Or do you mean I just need to specify the right domain? That's what I thought yesterday, and the admin gave me the right domain. |
| 11:36.59 | r4co0n | Walex2, funny enough, it works under win even with some different domain displayed... |
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| 11:39.50 | Walex2 | r4co0n: then you need to specify thr right domain. |
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| 11:40.48 | NigeyS | morning, quick questions on apache .. #httpd said to askk in here, with apache 2.4 can i change the location of the sites-available and sites-enabled directories? or place my vhost configs in a different folder so that a2ensite picks it up? :| |
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| 11:40.58 | r4co0n | Walex2, afaict, I did, with "domain=DOMAINNAME" as a line in my smb-credentials file |
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| 11:44.05 | Walex2 | NigeyS: of course you can, all paths are configurable either in the config file or in the source :-) |
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| 11:45.26 | jelly | NigeyS: you don't even have to use a2ensite if you prefer a different setup |
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| 11:47.00 | jelly | NigeyS: which debian release are you using? |
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| 11:47.43 | NigeyS | oh it's ubuntu 14.04 but the guys in ubuntu channel said try in here as nobody knew... |
| 11:49.02 | NigeyS | problem is, we're moving all our servers from RHEL to ubuntu and currently our vhost configs are in a folder accessible by the admins .. it seems with the a2ensite function the location of those dirs for new vhosts cant be changed |
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| 11:52.12 | Walex2 | NigeyS: this is not #Ubuntu even if Ubuntu use the Debian config scheme for Apache2... |
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| 11:52.32 | babilen | NigeyS: Well, this channel only supports Debian. You might want to factor the availability of support into your decision which distributions to move to. You might have more luck in #ubuntu-server though. All the best! |
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| 11:52.47 | Walex2 | NigeyS: as "jelly" was hinting, if you don't like the Debian config scheme, you don't have to use it. |
| 11:52.48 | NigeyS | i know it's now, but noone had any clue in there, and #httpd said they wont support "debian specific configs" |
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| 11:53.26 | NigeyS | ill try ubuntu-server, thanks :) |
| 11:53.33 | babilen | (which is stupid as "debian specific configs" is simply something build on top of what upstream provides) |
| 11:53.50 | babilen | I mean you could do the same thing with any apache that you installed from source |
| 11:53.53 | NigeyS | i know, they got really arsey about it to so meh.. |
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| 11:54.23 | r4co0n | Walex2, thanks for your help, still no luck, skimmed the man-page and read the sections you suggested, stupidly trying every possible security option, to no avail |
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| 11:54.57 | someHuman | I'm thinking of changing my DE to KDE. |
| 11:55.02 | someHuman | Will I get redundant packages? |
| 11:55.28 | someHuman | Or I could just add KDE to my sessions when I login right? |
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| 12:08.30 | jelly | babilen: I can completely see their point if the user thinks a2en* tools are apache's own |
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| 12:13.00 | babilen | jelly: Sure, but all these tools do is the creation of symlinks. You could easily do that manually or simply say "I wrote a little script to create symlinks for me and I decided to split configuration into parts that are being sourced" |
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| 12:13.32 | babilen | It really isn't that far from upstream's config and nothing breaks if they configure it "their" way. (e.g. by setting symlinks manually) |
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| 12:17.31 | jelly | the layout and usage is still debian-specific knowledge |
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| 12:19.04 | jelly | I don't know what 2.4 looks like upstream, but I doubt they decided to split into a hundred config files and use synlinks everywhere |
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| 12:19.22 | babilen | Sure, but at least that is well documented and easily approachable rather than any completely custom scheme you might have come up on your own. All I am saying is: There is no reason for them why they can't simply treat the Debian config like every other config as well. The only difference is that Debian's config is slightly more involved and standardised. |
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| 12:21.40 | jelly | sorry, I think it's a huge difference from a single httpd.conf |
| 12:22.29 | swordsmanz | hugs jelly |
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| 12:22.52 | jelly | babilen: `they don't know what changes Debian's introduced. We use the _exact same_ excuse to avoid supporting _our_ downstreams |
| 12:23.05 | babilen | It is, but nothing every other user could have come up with on their own. They *do* support splitting your config and sourcing it. |
| 12:23.53 | babilen | (â ot maybe?) |
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| 13:52.14 | Walex2 | r4co0n: have you tried mount/cifs //SERVER/share /tmp/share --verbose -o user=DOMAIN\\user |
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| 14:12.55 | Trow1 | hi |
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| 14:13.18 | Trow1 | how should we install mod_proxy and mod_proxy_http ? |
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| 14:14.16 | tomodachi | Trow1: apt-get install libapache2-mod-proxy-html |
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| 14:15.20 | Trow1 | Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
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| 14:17.12 | Trow1 | does this config works with debian ? |
| 14:17.14 | Trow1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20543467/run-a-nodejs-app-with-apache |
| 14:17.36 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 14:17.36 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:17.49 | Trow1 | it doesnt work |
| 14:17.53 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 14:17.53 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 14:17.57 | babilen | hehe |
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| 14:19.18 | Rackmount | My money's on couch sitting. |
| 14:19.29 | Trow1 | when i type from site-enabled ln -s site-available/newVHfile |
| 14:19.35 | Trow1 | apache doesnt restart |
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| 14:22.23 | Trow1 | anyone ? |
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| 14:24.07 | ChrisH | Trow1: check error log and fix the issue in newVHfile; My crystal ball is out for recalibration. |
| 14:24.16 | babilen | Trow1: Please provide paste the file you created and the exact commands you used on http://paste.debian.net -- Are you aware of a2ensite/a2dissite and a2enmod/a2dismod respectively? |
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| 14:24.40 | jelly | Trow1: which debian release are you using? Can you pastebin the contents of that new file, ls -la /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, apache2ctl configtest, apache2ctl -S? |
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| 14:24.56 | Trow1 | wats the difference between a2ensite and ln -s ? |
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| 14:25.27 | dodooo | hey guys, whats the default action to modifed configuration files when apt-get doesnt have a console (or any way to read input) |
| 14:25.30 | jelly | Trow1: the script does some sanity checking |
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| 14:26.13 | jelly | and reload or restart the service |
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| 14:29.14 | Trow1 | http://paste.debian.net/134571/ jelly ChrisH babilen |
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| 14:29.56 | ChrisH | Trow1: and error log complains about which line? |
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| 14:30.13 | Trow1 | how can i see that ? |
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| 14:30.29 | jelly | waits for other output |
| 14:31.01 | Trow | how can i see that ? ChrisH |
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| 14:31.22 | Trow | where am a noob in server config |
| 14:31.38 | ChrisH | Trow1: and error log complains about which line? It is apache 2.2. Line 5 looks strange compare http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#serveralias |
| 14:31.43 | mark305 | Hey guys, anyone know why I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en Bad header line [IP: 78.129.164.123 80] |
| 14:32.12 | jelly | Trow: somewhere around /var/log/apache2/error.log; Please read: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 14:42.35 | Trow | there are errors about css whitch not found no errors about apache |
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| 14:42.46 | ychaouche_ | Hello |
| 14:42.51 | Trow | what other files shoud i paste ? |
| 14:43.04 | hxm | exists plex media server for arm? |
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| 14:43.19 | ychaouche_ | My debian machine just crashed I think, the root filesystem has errors and the system won't start. I am running in runlevel 1 (single user mode) to perform fsck. |
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| 14:43.29 | ChrisH | Trow: 15:24 < jelly> Trow1: which debian release are you using? Can you pastebin the contents of that new file, ls -la /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, apache2ctl configtest, apache2ctl -S? |
| 14:43.55 | ychaouche_ | Is there a way to get back the system to it's "last state" ? I thought maybe since ext3 is a journalised filesystem.... |
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| 14:44.01 | killher | I see openvpn security updates for wheezy / unstable but I dont see any for squeeze lts , is the patch not applicable or not released yet ? |
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| 14:46.07 | petn-randall | ychaouche_: What do you mean with 'last state'? You can fix the filesystem with fsck and boot into it, yes. |
| 14:46.25 | ychaouche_ | petn-randall, "last state", like just before it crashed. |
| 14:46.53 | petn-randall | ychaouche_: Unless it's a VM and you can restore a snapshot, no. |
| 14:46.54 | swordsmanz | hxm yes but no onl inux and no scource :( |
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| 14:47.18 | Trow | ChrisH, i got this with configtest Invalid command 'ProxyRequests', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 14:48.30 | killher | anybody ? |
| 14:48.55 | jelly | killher: does the security tracker list squeeze as vulnerable? |
| 14:49.08 | jelly | !tell killher about tracker of doom |
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| 14:51.00 | jelly | !tell killher about squeeze-lts |
| 14:51.04 | killher | jelly: thanks, from the openvpn forum message it seemed all previous version were vulnerable since no specific version was pointed out |
| 14:51.19 | jelly | (they have a separate channel, but it's not on Freenode, it's on OFTC network) |
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| 14:51.42 | Trow | ChrisH, jelly http://paste.debian.net/134581/ |
| 14:52.05 | jelly | killher: if you need it fixed sooner, consider donating to the LTS effort sothay you can make it a priority |
| 14:52.37 | topi` | what's with those debian packages that have an architectural name prepended to the name? like: gcc-4.7-base:armhf |
| 14:52.50 | ChrisH | Trow: is mod_proxy enabled? |
| 14:52.58 | topi` | most packages, however, do not have such a specifier even though they are "binary" packages... |
| 14:53.01 | killher | jelly: thanks didn't know it was handled by a different security team |
| 14:53.03 | Trow | how can i verify that ? |
| 14:53.19 | ChrisH | Trow: is that an internal or external reachable server? |
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| 14:53.39 | Trow | external server ChrisH |
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| 14:55.43 | ChrisH | Trow: puh. a2enmod proxy |
| 14:57.20 | Trow | Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 14:57.27 | Trow | ServerName |
| 14:57.28 | Trow | . ok |
| 14:57.39 | jelly | Trow: that's just a warning |
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| 14:57.52 | ychaouche_ | petn-randall, ok thanks. |
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| 14:58.19 | Trow | and now my website is down :/ |
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| 14:58.34 | Trow | Internal Server Error |
| 14:58.59 | ChrisH | Trow: I assume you created a fallback plan and can now roll back the change... |
| 14:59.14 | jelly | Trow: well, you just redirected every request to http://localhost:8000/ |
| 14:59.26 | jelly | if it doesn't answer... |
| 15:00.09 | Trow | so what should i do now ? |
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| 15:00.36 | jelly | loot at the logs |
| 15:00.39 | jelly | look* |
| 15:00.54 | SirLagz | ,gmrender |
| 15:01.08 | SirLagz | ,v gmrender |
| 15:01.09 | judd | No package named 'gmrender' was found in i386. |
| 15:01.17 | SirLagz | ,v gmrender-resurrect |
| 15:01.18 | judd | No package named 'gmrender-resurrect' was found in i386. |
| 15:01.21 | jelly | Trow: then, verify the requests are forwarded correctly (by looking at access logs of the service listening on localhost:8000) |
| 15:01.27 | Trow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.44 | killher | jelly: thanks for the info, I'll roll my own openvpn pkg for now |
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| 15:02.25 | SirLagz | ,v gmediarender |
| 15:02.26 | judd | Package: gmediarender on i386 -- sid: 0.0.7~git20140302+repack-2; jessie: 0.0.7~git20140302+repack-2 |
| 15:02.34 | jelly | !tell SirLagz about msg the bot |
| 15:02.40 | SirLagz | jelly: sorry |
| 15:02.50 | SirLagz | jelly: didn't know I could msg the bot lol |
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| 15:03.33 | jelly | it's not widely advertised. Except in the topic |
| 15:04.04 | SirLagz | jelly: I can't see the whole topic =/ |
| 15:04.15 | jelly | SirLagz: because it's so long? |
| 15:04.30 | SirLagz | jelly: yep. actually I just realised that I could do a /topic |
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| 15:04.55 | ChrisH | Trow: What do you want apache to do? |
| 15:05.17 | Trow | to execute a node app ChrisH |
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| 15:09.50 | Trow | i fixed it with removing vh from sites-enabled ChrisH |
| 15:10.11 | Trow | and i always dont resolve the problem |
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| 15:11.26 | ntz | hello |
| 15:11.31 | ntz | how can I do sort -u that it prints really uniq items. eg: `cat file1 file2 | sort -u' rather prints only one occurance of the line (i don't know why they call it uniq :P) |
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| 15:13.42 | Trow | jelly, in the acces log there is no localhost and no 127 |
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| 15:14.42 | Trow | and now Module proxy already enabled jelly ChrisH |
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| 15:14.50 | hikenboot | hi i am trying to figure out how to get fdisk to create /dev/sda5 without first creating /dev/sda2, 3, and 4 is there a way to do this |
| 15:15.03 | ChrisH | Trow: I would have given such a setup a try: http://paste.debian.net/134584/ |
| 15:15.04 | hikenboot | or another program for doing this |
| 15:15.23 | ChrisH | Trow: I had unexpected results from using <Location> |
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| 15:16.52 | rgr | how on earth did you manage a "site-available" directory for apache? It's sites-available. |
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| 15:17.11 | rgr | oh, you manually typed it. |
| 15:17.16 | rgr | so typo |
| 15:17.18 | Brigo | hikenboot, i think there is no a way, at least an easy way. |
| 15:17.26 | Trow | without proxy tag ChrisH |
| 15:17.28 | Trow | ? |
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| 15:17.41 | hikenboot | that means restoring a clonzilla image is impossible |
| 15:17.43 | hikenboot | great |
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| 15:18.02 | Brigo | hikenboot, i cannot see why |
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| 15:18.12 | ChrisH | Trow: Its a reverseproxy and thats the way I am running several reverse proxies on apache 2.2 |
| 15:18.30 | rgr | clonzilla is a dog. I use rsync. done. |
| 15:18.46 | Trow | and then a2ensite newVHfile right ? |
| 15:18.54 | hikenboot | because it was backed up with parititions instead of disks and you have to restore to same parition number...which means i have to probably boot a live cd and create bogus partitions move them around and then create /dev/sda5 |
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| 15:19.25 | hikenboot | errr probably got the last two steps backwards |
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| 15:19.42 | Trow | reloading web server failed ChrisH |
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| 15:19.50 | Brigo | hikenboot, no. |
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| 15:20.06 | ChrisH | Trow: Error messages from the stuff jelly asked before! |
| 15:20.10 | hikenboot | Brigo whats the alternative |
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| 15:20.21 | Brigo | hikenboot, let me search for a link. |
| 15:20.44 | hikenboot | ok I have to step away for a while...I will set my scroll back lines and look for your response...thanks a bunch |
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| 15:21.22 | Brigo | hikenboot, kpartx |
| 15:21.34 | Brigo | apt-get install kpartx |
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| 15:22.00 | dontknow | does it have to download 10 mb whenever i do apt-get update? |
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| 15:22.09 | dontknow | wheezy |
| 15:22.19 | dontknow | it is not the case with jessie |
| 15:22.29 | Brigo | dontknow, no, you only have to do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:22.43 | Trow | in apache2 i have error.log and error.log.1 and error.log.1.gz to error.log.5.gz is that normal ChrisH |
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| 15:22.54 | Brigo | hikenboot, http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux and http://superuser.com/questions/344899/how-can-i-mount-a-disk-image |
| 15:23.08 | hxm | hi, do you know if there is some software like plex media server for arm? |
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| 15:23.21 | dontknow | Brigo, what i am saying is that it downloads 10 mb for package list |
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| 15:23.51 | ChrisH | Trow: the more questions you as the less I am sure if you should run an external reachable server. But yes that's normal. |
| 15:24.00 | ChrisH | Trow: the more questions you ask, the less I am sure if you should run an external reachable server. But yes that's normal. |
| 15:24.13 | jelly | dontknow: if you do it twice in a row one after another, does the second one download complete lists again? |
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| 15:24.50 | dontknow | jelly, let me try |
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| 15:25.47 | dontknow | jelly, first apt-get update: Fetched 10,1 MB, after second one immediately: Fetched 10,1 MB downloads again |
| 15:25.49 | Trow | in error.log.1 last line there is this apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName ChrisH |
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| 15:26.19 | ChrisH | Trow: error.log.X are old ones. no need to check them right now. check error.log |
| 15:26.23 | jelly | Trow: that's the old file. look at the dates. |
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| 15:27.17 | Trow | well in error.log there is no new errors it's a css file not found |
| 15:27.34 | dontknow | jelly, it is on wheezy. it is not the case with jessie. jessie downloads kilobytes after second |
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| 15:28.14 | jelly | dontknow: wheezy should too. did you make any changes in apt.conf pertaining to pdiffs? |
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| 15:28.56 | ChrisH | Trow: apache2ctl configtest ; apache2ctl -S are without any messages? |
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| 15:29.09 | dontknow | jelly, no! interesting. i have installed wheezy multiple times. and every one of them was downloading the whole list! i don't understand! |
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| 15:29.40 | dontknow | could someone help me with this issue? |
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| 15:29.49 | jelly | dontknow: using the same mirror as your jessie installations? |
| 15:29.49 | dontknow | where should i look at? |
| 15:29.53 | Brigo | dontknow, can you paste the output of apt-get update in paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:30.31 | dontknow | Brigo, wait a sec |
| 15:30.35 | Trow1 | sorry jelly ChrisH |
| 15:30.46 | Trow1 | disconnected |
| 15:30.55 | Trow1 | i said |
| 15:30.57 | Trow1 | well in error.log there is no new errors it's a css file not found |
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| 15:32.49 | ChrisH | Trow: apache2ctl configtest ; apache2ctl -S are without any messages? |
| 15:33.09 | dontknow | Brigo, jelly http://paste.debian.net/134586/ |
| 15:33.10 | Trow | one sec |
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| 15:34.25 | ChrisH | Trow: keep the discussion here |
| 15:34.36 | Trow | Syntax error on line 7 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/newVHfile: |
| 15:34.36 | Trow | order not allowed here |
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| 15:34.55 | Brigo | dontknow, really no clues. |
| 15:35.09 | ChrisH | Trow: then remove the two lines Order and allow |
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| 15:36.36 | dontknow | jelly, yes i was using same es mirrors on jessie |
| 15:36.59 | Trow | ChrisH, failed : ProxyPass|ProxyPassMatch needs a path when not defined in a location |
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| 15:37.08 | Brigo | dontknow, may be a bug? :-m |
| 15:37.19 | ChrisH | Trow: which config? The one I suggested? |
| 15:37.27 | Trow | yes |
| 15:37.29 | dontknow | where is apt.conf located? |
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| 15:38.08 | jelly | dontknow: /etc/apt/ |
| 15:38.32 | jelly | dontknow: any files present in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ will also be read |
| 15:39.08 | dontknow | jelly, i only have apt.conf.d folder and inside some aptitude config files |
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| 15:39.37 | ChrisH | Trow: sorry... mixed up my 2.4 apaches with 2.2 I will suggest another one |
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| 15:40.12 | dontknow | should i ask this on official debian? |
| 15:40.17 | jelly | dontknow: does grep -i pdiff /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* show anything? |
| 15:40.56 | dontknow | jelly, no |
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| 15:41.16 | dontknow | i also tried aptitude update. it also downloads the whole list again |
| 15:41.23 | jelly | dontknow: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list (and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, too) |
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| 15:41.29 | topi` | I'm throwing overboard unnecessary packages, and am already down to 560 (essential) packages! |
| 15:41.43 | dontknow | jelly, ok |
| 15:41.44 | topi` | it's a lot of work, the debian as I know it has become more and more bloated... |
| 15:41.51 | topi` | since my first debian installation in 1999 |
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| 15:42.00 | topi` | no, 1998 |
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| 15:42.25 | jelly | topi`: a lot of cruft can be accumulated over the years. |
| 15:42.32 | jelly | !tell topi` about obsolete |
| 15:42.33 | Rackmount | all software bloats unfortunately. |
| 15:42.38 | topi` | :) |
| 15:42.45 | Rackmount | I think there's some kind of law or something. |
| 15:42.53 | topi` | I was wondering if I really need net-tools for anything, if I prefer iproute2 instead |
| 15:43.10 | topi` | it seems I can do all the stuff with iproute2's "ip" and friends that I would have done with net-tools' utils |
| 15:43.29 | Rackmount | I used to worry about "minimal this" and "efficiency that". Then I stopped caring, and started actually getting work done. :) |
| 15:43.32 | sydney_gui | topi`: If you think debians bad, give ubuntu or some other distro a go. ;) Ubuntu is the most bogged-out one i can think of. Debian is the fastest one i have known so far. |
| 15:43.39 | ChrisH | Trow: http://paste.debian.net/134589/ Without testing I am unsure about Line 3 it might need to be below line 10 check using the checkconfig commands |
| 15:43.41 | tomodachi | im thinking of adding wheezy backports to one of my servers to have a more up to date server application , any pitfalls?! |
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| 15:43.59 | Rackmount | I come from a Slackware background, if that's any indication. |
| 15:44.29 | sydney_gui | tomodachi: Ive never had an issue with backports. What program though? |
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| 15:44.43 | topi` | what does "Multi-Arch: foreign |
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| 15:44.43 | topi` | mean? |
| 15:44.57 | dontknow | jelly, this is sources.list https://paste.debian.net/134590/ |
| 15:45.14 | jelly | topi`: context? |
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| 15:45.26 | topi` | Rackmount: I'm also more of the "just get stuff done" variety, however I'm building up an embedded system so I need to conserve disk as much as possible |
| 15:45.36 | dontknow | jelly, there is no file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:45.38 | topi` | jelly: I was using apt-cache show foobar |
| 15:46.11 | Trow | the reload works with this config ChrisH |
| 15:46.15 | jelly | topi`: IIRC, it means the packaging hasn't been multiarch-enabled yet |
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| 15:47.19 | tomodachi | sydney_gui: asterisk |
| 15:47.36 | jelly | topi`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec |
| 15:47.46 | sydney_gui | I dont have a clue... |
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| 15:47.50 | tomodachi | sydney_gui: will packages i install in the future always come from backports or does the current release repos have presedence |
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| 15:47.57 | jelly | topi`: (under Binary package control fields) |
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| 15:48.06 | topi` | right |
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| 15:48.30 | topi` | d'oh, apt-get autoremove tried to remove systemd! |
| 15:48.34 | topi` | wtf is going on |
| 15:48.46 | ChrisH | Trow: only the reload or does forwarding of requests work, too? |
| 15:48.49 | topi` | dpkg: acl: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: systemd depends on acl. |
| 15:48.50 | dpkg | topi`: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 15:48.53 | Rackmount | topi: sounds like you might have got hit by a metapackage |
| 15:48.58 | sydney_gui | tomodachi: It would matter on the program. For some programs yes, but most no. |
| 15:49.07 | jelly | !tell topi` about debian-next |
| 15:49.11 | jelly | !tell topi` about bat |
| 15:49.12 | topi` | is it possible that apt-get autoremove uses force-depends when removing packages? |
| 15:49.33 | topi` | yeah, i'm running jessie :) |
| 15:49.55 | Trow | this is waht i get |
| 15:49.55 | topi` | Rackmount: I hate metapackages, although it works as a convenience, I've still experienced a lot of trouble because of them |
| 15:49.56 | Trow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.00 | Trow | ChrisH, |
| 15:50.04 | xdroop | Is there a way to make "getent shadow" return NIS shadow information? It only seems to return local shadow information. |
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| 15:50.26 | ChrisH | Trow: that's still a warning only. |
| 15:50.29 | jelly | xdroop: even when you run it as root? |
| 15:50.35 | dontknow | jelly, what do you say? |
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| 15:50.59 | xdroop | yes |
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| 15:51.13 | jelly | dontknow: dunno. could be a proxy issue, could be your mirror. It doesn't really matter a lot anyway |
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| 15:51.27 | Trow | when i type node server.js doesnt seem to do anything |
| 15:51.31 | topi` | I lost libsystemd0 but luckily apt-get -f install was able to bring the system back to normal state |
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| 15:54.10 | Tuxick | lo, getting very tired of this udev mess, it's refusing to upgrade |
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| 15:54.52 | dontknow | jelly, you are right! it was mirror issue. i changed it and it works now! |
| 15:55.04 | dontknow | thanks |
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| 15:55.08 | Tuxick | to make things weirder, uname says i'm running 3.8.2, while dpkg says i have 3.16.7-2 and 3.2.63 |
| 15:55.41 | Tuxick | google shows me this has been a problem for 5 years now |
| 15:55.50 | Tuxick | any solution? |
| 15:56.00 | topi` | jelly: cannot join #debian-next (you must be invited) |
| 15:56.18 | Trow | is it normal when i type node server.js it doensnt do anything ? ChrisH |
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| 15:56.41 | jelly | topi`: on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:56.56 | xdroop | ok maybe a better question: |
| 15:57.13 | xdroop | is there a way to make PAM not care that I don't have shadow information for users logging with Kerberos and NIS? |
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| 15:57.37 | ChrisH | Trow: I do not know anything about node server.js whatever that should be. Does lsof -i tcp:80 show the expected process apache should proxy the request to? |
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| 15:58.09 | jelly | Tuxick: which boot loader are you using? |
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| 15:59.00 | topi` | jelly: oh! |
| 15:59.15 | jelly | Tuxick: used to be older update-grub scripts ordered 3.8 kernels as "newer" than 3.10, this was fixed a couple months ago |
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| 15:59.44 | jelly | Tuxick: maybe a year now. Should be fixed in wheezy. |
| 15:59.48 | Tuxick | jelly: the one between stable and testing, grub |
| 16:00.14 | Tuxick | but i really don't understand, uname shows a kernel that isn't even in /boot |
| 16:00.30 | Tuxick | the 2 kernels that show there both know inotify etc |
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| 16:00.47 | Tuxick | i was upgrading to testing |
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| 16:01.08 | Tuxick | been taking me several hours because of this |
| 16:01.33 | jelly | Tuxick: weird. is this a physical machine or some sort of VM? |
| 16:01.36 | Tuxick | vm |
| 16:01.45 | jelly | Tuxick: which vm solution? |
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| 16:02.03 | Tuxick | i thought they did xen, but might well have gone kvm now |
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| 16:04.37 | Tuxick | but how could that confuse uname? |
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| 16:06.15 | Trow | so ChrisH ? |
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| 16:07.32 | tensorpudding | Okay, my system clock just jumped four days after I woke my computer from sleep. |
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| 16:08.17 | jelly | Tuxick: xen might be booting a different kernel from what you expect, with a different method |
| 16:08.37 | jelly | Tuxick: "contact your provider" |
| 16:08.55 | Tuxick | that's major bummer then |
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| 16:09.15 | Tuxick | how on earth can that affect client? |
| 16:09.48 | Tuxick | well ok, i don't know how uname() works under the hood |
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| 16:10.14 | jelly | nod. I have a couple machine on SolusVM, and on XenServer -- both of which use xen underneath and somehow boot my own kernels, but I also remember reading about "pvgrub" |
| 16:10.22 | Tuxick | so no sane way to simply force? since the check udev performs seems flawed |
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| 16:11.17 | jelly | eh, first you need to figure out how the VM _really_ boots, and what from |
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| 16:14.53 | Tuxick | jelly: well i hope they'll be able to help me out then, bit hard to roll back :/ |
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| 16:15.02 | Tuxick | but at least system still boots ;p |
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| 16:23.34 | ojaito1 | how do i find out what packages a particular file belongs to? (e.g., the files in /usr/share/xsessions/gnome*) i am trying to remove gnome3 without removing gnome and gtk3 programs. (I use MATE) thanks |
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| 16:25.28 | RayzrShrp | ojaito1: good luck with that |
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| 16:26.55 | ojaito1 | RayzrShrp: well, if it's impossible or hard, surely there's a way I can remove it from the gdm login menu, so that my users don't blunder into it and destabilise the system? |
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| 16:27.21 | Brigo | ojaito1, insatall apt-get file and then apt-file search <file> will tell you the package that the files belongs to |
| 16:29.04 | ojaito1 | Hi Brigo: thanks, trying it now |
| 16:29.20 | Brigo | ojaito1, good luck :) |
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| 16:29.39 | RayzrShrp | ive never had good luck removing gnome without it taking half my system with it |
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| 16:32.29 | ojaito1 | Brigo: sadly, "apt-file search /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop" produces no output :-( |
| 16:32.41 | ojaito1 | (both as root and as normal user, after apt-file update) |
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| 16:33.07 | Brigo | ojaito1, may be you need a apt-file update first. |
| 16:33.25 | oskie | gnome-session: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop |
| 16:33.31 | tensorpudding | That is weird. The clock is screwed up when the computer is put to sleep, not when it is woken. |
| 16:34.05 | ojaito1 | Brigo: see my previous comment; I ran apt-file update both as root and normal user ;) |
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| 16:34.44 | ojaito1 | oskie: that's the output you got? thanks -- I will look into it |
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| 16:35.11 | Brigo | ojaito1, like oskie, i get a result: gnome-session: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop |
| 16:35.19 | ojaito1 | bizarre... |
| 16:35.33 | ojaito1 | i wonder if this means my install is more fubared than i thought |
| 16:35.57 | s7r | there was a critical update to openvpn yesterday .... something DoS related. the current recommended version is 2.3.6 i can see the version in wheezy is much older than that. i know debian-stable does not do package updates unless critical but this IS marked as critical. updates? |
| 16:36.06 | tensorpudding | http://pastebin.com/51nCVs3R the dmesg log |
| 16:36.15 | gamer | hi. please is way to install php 5.5 on debian 6? (without compile sources). thanx |
| 16:36.32 | abrotman | s7r: There was a DSA for it already |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | gamer: create your own packages from sources |
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| 16:37.13 | abrotman | s7r: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3084 Is that what you were referring to? |
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| 16:38.55 | s7r | abrotman: yes. that is the one |
| 16:39.00 | s7r | so it's fixed in wheezy? |
| 16:39.06 | s7r | apt-get update and dist-upgrade should do the job / |
| 16:39.07 | gamer | abrotman: thank you for the reply. can you tell me how long time will take creating own package php 5.5? |
| 16:39.10 | abrotman | s7r: yes, if you have the security repos enabled. |
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| 16:39.21 | abrotman | gamer: is it your first package? |
| 16:39.28 | gamer | abrotman: yes |
| 16:39.38 | abrotman | gamer:Why do you need PHP5.5? |
| 16:39.40 | gamer | abrotman: I made one ebuild for gentoo(very simple) |
| 16:39.50 | s7r | abrotman: i have the default repos. from debian wheezy. i haven't changed /apt/sources.list |
| 16:40.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell s7r about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:40.03 | s7r | thanks debian for moving fast as always reliable |
| 16:40.14 | abrotman | gamer: it's probably not very siple |
| 16:40.16 | gamer | abrotman: it's job for person |
| 16:40.22 | abrotman | s7r: also, subscribe to the DSAs |
| 16:40.42 | abrotman | s7r: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ (or get the RSS feed if that's your thing) |
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| 16:41.05 | abrotman | s7r: the DSA RSS is https://www.debian.org/security/dsa |
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| 16:47.50 | zq | is it possible to kill a D-state process? |
| 16:48.08 | Skyrider | Are there any alternatives to wine? |
| 16:48.26 | centrx | Skyrider, Use a VM |
| 16:48.33 | Skyrider | on a vps?.. |
| 16:48.45 | Skyrider | I prefer something less memory eating. |
| 16:48.54 | jelly | zq: nope |
| 16:49.00 | Skyrider | I merely need to run a single program (64bit).. that's it. |
| 16:49.11 | Skyrider | If I attempt to install wine64, all I get is depen, issues. |
| 16:49.22 | jelly | zq: what kind of filesystem is it hanging on? |
| 16:49.23 | qman | Skyrider: those are the options, vm, wine, or port it to native |
| 16:49.34 | petn-randall | Skyrider: Sounds like you're not running a vanilla Debian install anymore. |
| 16:49.43 | petn-randall | s/vanilla/clean/ |
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| 16:49.44 | zq | jelly: it's a long running dd issued as root |
| 16:49.50 | zq | jelly: a dd to the usb |
| 16:49.55 | zq | jelly: it just won't die |
| 16:50.01 | jelly | zq: dd from where? |
| 16:50.18 | zq | jelly: from file to /dev/sda |
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| 16:50.24 | zq | uh, sdi in this case |
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| 16:52.32 | jelly | zq: you could unplug the device (and lose data) |
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| 16:53.09 | zq | jelly: what graceful measures are there before resorting to that? |
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| 16:53.50 | jelly | might unplug it logically first: echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdi/device/delete |
| 16:53.56 | jelly | (also losing data) |
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| 16:54.46 | jelly | but at least the kernel will tell the device to shut itself down |
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| 16:55.06 | zq | tree -C /sys/block/sd* | less |
| 16:55.07 | MV48_ | Hi all, is it possible to have two separate software RAIDs act as one in debian? |
| 16:55.50 | jelly | as one? |
| 16:56.23 | zq | jelly: cool, thanks for that |
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| 16:56.38 | zq | jelly: i guess it isn't possible to re-init the device logically as well? |
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| 16:56.39 | jelly | MV48_: you can use them as LVM PVs and concat them logically. Or you could slap another layer of software raid on top |
| 16:56.40 | Test_ | Hallo |
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| 16:56.57 | Test_ | Ich spreche Deutsch |
| 16:57.00 | jelly | !de |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:57.09 | MV48_ | jelly: would that be handled at the BIOS controller level? |
| 16:57.15 | jelly | MV48_: nope. |
| 16:57.27 | Test_ | I speak a little bit english |
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| 16:57.47 | MV48_ | jelly: I'm a newbie with RAIDs, so forgive me in advance. The configuration would be done at the debian level then, you're saying? |
| 16:57.58 | jelly | MV48_: I meant linux md raid. In general it's recommended to avoid using bios soft raid |
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| 16:59.21 | jelly | MV48_: if you only have Linux as an OS, probably best to put the controller in AHCI/native mode instead of RAID, present each disk separately, then bring up md raid in desired geometry/configuration |
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| 17:00.32 | Test_ | Hey guis |
| 17:00.42 | MV48_ | jelly: so basically md raid is what a software raid is? |
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| 17:00.56 | Test_ | What is raid |
| 17:00.58 | MV48_ | (in linux world, I mean?) |
| 17:01.13 | Test_ | Why Linux World? |
| 17:01.36 | micechal_ | why would accessing a file return permission denied even if the file is chmodded 777? |
| 17:01.47 | jelly | MV48_: yes, the linux implementation of soft raid is called "md" |
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| 17:02.39 | jelly | micechal_: the directory and all parent directories need appropriate permissions as well. |
| 17:03.53 | jelly | micechal_: at the very least an effective +x (executable) bit set. |
| 17:04.21 | micechal_ | jelly: why do I need execute if I only want to read? |
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| 17:05.22 | jelly | micechal_: that's just how unix permissions work, you want to access a file, you need +x on the directory where that file is stored |
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| 17:05.54 | jelly | !tell micechal_ about permissions |
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| 17:06.29 | jelly | micechal_: and all the directories "above" it, all the way to / |
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| 17:08.00 | micechal_ | I see |
| 17:08.13 | micechal_ | so chmod 775 everything is the answer? |
| 17:08.41 | cjohn | hi |
| 17:11.26 | cjohn | The default action is to keep your current version. |
| 17:11.27 | cjohn | *** puppetlabs.list (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? |
| 17:11.33 | cjohn | So how can I auto-Y this question? |
| 17:11.42 | cjohn | apt command-line switch? |
| 17:11.51 | cjohn | I am already using --yes --force-yes |
| 17:13.20 | cjohn | anyone? |
| 17:13.22 | cjohn | :( |
| 17:14.44 | nully | cjohn: -y to your apt-get |
| 17:14.53 | nully | or yes | apt-get ... |
| 17:15.08 | nully | cjohn: irc can be slow. its best to just sit and wait a few mins for an asnwer |
| 17:15.21 | nully | mins/hours :D etc |
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| 17:15.56 | cjohn | apt-get install --yes --force-yes --no-install-recommends |
| 17:16.00 | cjohn | this is what I currently use |
| 17:16.07 | cjohn | nully: but it still asks me |
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| 17:16.15 | cjohn | I need to get rid of the prompt, it has to run through automated. |
| 17:16.38 | cjohn | And the file already was bootstrapped before and can/should be overridden by the one provided by the package being installed. |
| 17:16.48 | nully | cjohn: try yes | apt-get |
| 17:16.50 | rgr | I use the following on testing : sudo apt-get update --yes && sudo apt-get upgrade --yes && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --yes && sudo apt-get autoremove --yes |
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| 17:17.00 | nully | idk, -y seems to work for me. |
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| 17:17.10 | cjohn | Configuration file `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/puppetlabs.list' |
| 17:17.12 | cjohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.13 | cjohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.17 | cjohn | damn |
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| 17:17.28 | cjohn | nully: ok, piping yes to it then |
| 17:17.32 | nully | ya |
| 17:17.38 | nully | cjohn: give it the yes hammer |
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| 17:18.42 | cjohn | nully: still sad apt doesn't honor --yes or even --force-yes switch though |
| 17:18.44 | Arcoverde | Hello |
| 17:18.50 | cjohn | Arcoverde: hi arco |
| 17:19.01 | Arcoverde | cjohn (: |
| 17:19.18 | nully | cjohn: ya, what version of ubuntu are you using? |
| 17:19.33 | someHuman | How do I install a .tar.bz2 package? |
| 17:19.34 | cjohn | bah, I use Debian wheezy |
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| 17:19.42 | nully | oopsies |
| 17:19.48 | nully | this is #debian, s/ubuntu/debian/ |
| 17:19.51 | someHuman | nully: Hey! |
| 17:20.04 | nully | x.x |
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| 17:20.29 | nully | someHuman: it sounds like you have a source `package' |
| 17:20.37 | someHuman | nully: I do. |
| 17:20.43 | nully | someHuman: tar xzvf archive.tar.gz |
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| 17:21.06 | nully | then cd to the extracted directory and then: (hopeufully) ./configure && make && sudo make install |
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| 17:21.30 | nully | someHuman: hopefully there will be a README file there that will tell you the exact steps. And any libraries you might have to install |
| 17:21.35 | nully | good luck :) |
| 17:21.40 | b1101 | if I install the debian rtlwifi package. How do I activate it so it notices the card ? |
| 17:21.48 | b1101 | on a a live disk* |
| 17:22.03 | someHuman | nully: Yup |
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| 17:22.37 | Secruity-luser | ÐÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
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| 17:22.49 | Secruity-luser | УÑÑановил Ñ Ð½Ð° openvpn на debian |
| 17:22.53 | Secruity-luser | но как подклÑÑиÑÑÑÑ |
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| 17:23.22 | oskie | СпÑÌÑник! |
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| 17:23.58 | oskie | Secruity-luser: #debian-russian |
| 17:26.31 | vook | maybe the world relies a bit too much on Sourceforge : http://sourceforge.net/error-404.html?project=phpmyadmin |
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| 17:28.56 | centrx | No one uses sourceforge anymore |
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| 17:29.06 | Arcoverde | i've installed debian wheezy on my laptop with nvidia board. Tried to use bumblebee with noveau and with nvidia proprietary driver. Apparently everything worked fine. The nvidia board is turned on just when i use optirun command. But the FPS of glxgears is always 59 ~ 60 with optirun or without.. |
| 17:29.13 | vook | No one, indeed centrx |
| 17:29.51 | vook | Any other brilliant insights? |
| 17:30.48 | Arcoverde | is there any trick i forgot to make it works? Already added my user to bumblebee group. |
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| 17:34.47 | centrx | vook, VA Software used to be cool |
| 17:34.54 | centrx | VA Linux |
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| 17:35.40 | k4v_ | i have serveral servers configured as kvm virtualization hosts. i would like to boot them either from usb stick or net boot, to have all 4 sata ports free for a zfs setup. is this a good practice, to have the os on a usb stick? |
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| 17:39.29 | jordanm | k4v_: local storage for VM hosts is bad practice in general |
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| 17:40.21 | k4v_ | jordanm: i have good experience with that, saves a lot of problems with network storage |
| 17:40.28 | jordanm | k4v_: generally you want to put the VM storage on a SAN or similar, so that vms can be migrated with ease, otherwise the loss of a VM host is the loss of a lot of servers... |
| 17:40.56 | k4v_ | jordanm: i use zfs to clone my vms across multiple hosts |
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| 17:41.22 | k4v_ | in general i try to avoid shared storage. |
| 17:42.05 | k4v_ | on my machines i only need a very small image that runs kvm |
| 17:42.06 | jordanm | I am not sure I would consider iscsi luns "shared" |
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| 17:42.56 | jordanm | but anyways, your mind is already made up :) |
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| 17:43.04 | k4v_ | :) |
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| 17:45.44 | nully | jordanm: i didn't even know you could `share' a LUN (or, in a way that was sane) |
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| 17:46.27 | nully | jordanm: I've been thinking about VMs, local VS SAN storage a lot recently. I'm thinking of SANs... Do you reocmmend a transport? (FCoE, etc?) |
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| 17:46.29 | jelly-home | nully: the filesystem has to support it |
| 17:46.42 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 17:46.52 | jelly-home | vmware's vmfs is very good at it |
| 17:47.06 | jordanm | nully: I have looked into that about 1yr ago, and FCoE was really appealing |
| 17:47.35 | k4v_ | with local storage you always have maximum performance, no special SAN-Storage machines etc |
| 17:47.41 | jordanm | nully: but I have only ever used NetApps, which don't support FCoE, FC, infiniband, etc |
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| 17:47.42 | nully | ya, FCoE is the direction I think I am headed in. |
| 17:47.54 | `Kevin | nully: iscsi has worked fine for me in the past , FCoE as well |
| 17:47.58 | jordanm | nully: so i can't really make a recommendation |
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| 17:48.04 | nully | aye. |
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| 17:48.23 | jordanm | iscsi on the netapps do work fine for our needs |
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| 17:49.02 | nully | with iSCSI, every LUN is its own VM? |
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| 17:49.41 | `Kevin | dependsw how you deploy it |
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| 17:50.38 | `Kevin | if you use vmware like jelly-home was saying... vmfs will have one large filesystem across all ESX/i nodes that share the same iscsi target(s) |
| 17:50.38 | nully | in the past, i think i was going LVM -> iSCSI -> VMs.. not sure if that was the best way of doing it |
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| 17:50.51 | nully | but i wanted to have one single LUKs volume to decrypt on the `SAN' side of things. |
| 17:50.59 | `Kevin | vmware will then make vmdk's per VM |
| 17:51.05 | nully | i'm using xen/kvm |
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| 17:51.48 | `Kevin | i havent used xen in a long time ... many moons heh, but you can do a iscsi target per VM |
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| 17:52.07 | nully | that seems like it is the most flexable. |
| 17:52.12 | nully | I sorta worry about speed x.x |
| 17:52.41 | nully | I have also been looking at this tool called `Ceph' |
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| 17:54.01 | `Kevin | in my experience people worry too much about the protocol transports |
| 17:54.11 | `Kevin | iscsi/fc/fcoe etc... |
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| 17:54.26 | `Kevin | as long as the network has capacity you shouldn't have a problem with iscsi |
| 17:54.36 | `Kevin | disks saturate faster |
| 17:55.13 | `Kevin | unless you are using an SSD san or similar then you need more planning |
| 17:55.14 | jelly-home | `Kevin: fc has end-to-end checksums and order preserving; ethernet can have bitflips much more often |
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| 17:55.27 | jelly-home | sometimes transports matter |
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| 17:55.51 | `Kevin | I agree but it is often not needed unless you have special needs.... |
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| 17:56.03 | jelly-home | is very special |
| 17:56.10 | `Kevin | or a crappy network that is different |
| 17:56.14 | `Kevin | ha :P |
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| 17:57.02 | `Kevin | nully: ceph you will likely need to venture into the ceph channel... ive touched it a bit but thats a whole different ballgame ;) |
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| 17:58.01 | jelly-home | `Kevin: one crappy link out of "redundant" two can make for a bad day |
| 17:58.15 | `Kevin | jelly-home: indeed |
| 17:58.22 | `Kevin | jelly-home: you need a proper network |
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| 17:58.37 | `Kevin | one that is stable and not changing often |
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| 17:59.21 | `Kevin | a segmented switching segment just for SAN traffic is ideal for that |
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| 18:28.11 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 18:28.19 | someHuman | Is Firefox Free Software by default? |
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| 18:29.05 | Cuby96 | hi could someone help me creating a shell file that runs a .jar file? |
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| 18:32.55 | Cuby96 | hi could someone help me creating a shell file that runs a .jar file? |
| 18:32.58 | RoyK | someHuman: firefox is free software by definition |
| 18:33.27 | RoyK | Cuby96: what's in the jar? |
| 18:33.42 | someHuman | What do you mean |
| 18:33.43 | RoyK | (there's whisky in the jar) |
| 18:33.44 | Cuby96 | its actually a minecraft server |
| 18:34.08 | RoyK | someHuman: I mean firefox is free software |
| 18:34.30 | RoyK | not by default, by definition, by license etc |
| 18:34.31 | dgm816 | java -jar minecraft.jar |
| 18:34.33 | dgm816 | doens't that work? |
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| 18:34.34 | someHuman | Ah |
| 18:35.10 | Cuby96 | no it doesn't it appears gedit again |
| 18:36.18 | jelly-home | Cuby96: open a terminal. if you go to the directory where you unpacked that .jar file and run "java -jar blah.jar", it opens gedit?? |
| 18:36.26 | someHuman | Ah |
| 18:36.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: you need a ! in there |
| 18:36.39 | someHuman | So it's like privacy by policy? |
| 18:36.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: ?!? |
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| 18:36.52 | abrotman | exactly |
| 18:36.59 | Cuby96 | do i have to unpack that jar? |
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| 18:37.34 | jelly-home | Cuby96: didn't you already unpacked something else to get to the .jar file? |
| 18:37.53 | dgm816 | no, typically you just download the jar itself.. |
| 18:37.56 | Cuby96 | no i downloaded it as an jar from minecraft.net |
| 18:37.57 | dgm816 | it needs no unpacking |
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| 18:38.06 | jelly-home | Cuby96: that's it then |
| 18:38.06 | Cuby96 | thats what i expected too |
| 18:38.24 | dgm816 | cd /home/user/where/file/is/downloaded && java -jar file.jar |
| 18:38.24 | abrotman | seems like a better place for help might be the minecraft channel? |
| 18:38.28 | dgm816 | that should work |
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| 18:38.36 | abrotman | Has anyone asked if he actually has a JRE installed? |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | or JDK |
| 18:38.43 | jelly-home | no :-) |
| 18:38.44 | dgm816 | java --version |
| 18:38.45 | dgm816 | :) |
| 18:38.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: didn't get that far |
| 18:39.19 | dgm816 | or actually, just 'java -version' (single dash, not 2) |
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| 18:39.37 | Cuby96 | it tells me 1.6.0_3 |
| 18:39.49 | dgm816 | you've got a jre then |
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| 18:40.03 | dgm816 | go to the dir where the jar is.. and 'java -jar filename.jar' |
| 18:40.10 | dgm816 | and it should run it, or give you an error |
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| 18:40.55 | dgm816 | assuming it doesn't require 1.7.x java jre.. |
| 18:40.56 | abrotman | or cause the moon to crash into Earth. |
| 18:41.16 | RoyK | java is evil (tm) |
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| 18:43.50 | Rackmount | How is Java evil? It runs on nearly everything, and the overhead created by the JRE bytecode interpreter is nearl976h*&(BO*Biub87ba*^TGg NO CARRIER |
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| 18:44.40 | Cuby96 | it runs fine in the terminal |
| 18:44.47 | Cuby96 | i've tested it |
| 18:44.55 | abrotman | problem solved! |
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| 18:45.39 | Cuby96 | but how do i make a icon that starts the terminal with this command? |
| 18:45.44 | Rackmount | feels a wave of nostalgia for the days of BBSes. |
| 18:46.07 | Cuby96 | in windows its the batch but in linux its the shell isn't it? |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | Yes, but your "shortcut" should be able to execute without need for a terminal |
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| 18:47.05 | Cuby96 | the minecraft server is a terminal |
| 18:47.18 | Cuby96 | so how to do it without terminal? |
| 18:48.35 | jelly-home | Cuby96: it's not a terminal. It's a process that does some output to the standard output. It can be redirected to a file, or closed, or be started in a terminal if you wish but it's not required to do so. |
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| 18:50.04 | Cuby96 | so whats the plan? my overall idea is to start the server when i start up linux and shut it down before shutting down linux.... and by neccesivity to click that icon |
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| 18:53.06 | Cuby96 | what do i have to do? |
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| 19:04.01 | jhutchins | Cuby96: Do you want to start it manually by clicking an icon, or automatically when the server starts? What user does it run as? |
| 19:04.06 | jhutchins | s/does/should/ |
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| 19:04.48 | Cuby96 | run it as an root and it should start the server when i manually push the button or when linux boots up |
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| 19:06.39 | jhutchins | Cuby96: You can call it from rc.local for automatic start at boot. |
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| 19:06.57 | jhutchins | Cuby96: Just create a shortucut that points to it, probably with sudo. |
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| 19:07.25 | Cuby96 | jhutchins: how to do so? |
| 19:07.26 | jhutchins | Cuby96: You might want to put it somewhere logical like /usr/local/bin just for orthodoxy. |
| 19:07.38 | abrotman | Cuby96: man sudo, this isn't that hard |
| 19:07.48 | jhutchins | Cuby96: What, create a shortcut? I think you right-click the desktop. I don't use gnome. |
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| 19:08.39 | Cuby96 | i rightclick, nothing appears... i'm using 7.7 wheezy |
| 19:09.29 | abrotman | Cuby96: you probably have to enable nautilus if you want it on the deskotp |
| 19:09.40 | Cuby96 | how to do so? |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | gnome-tweak-ui or something, tell it to have nautilus manage the desktop |
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| 19:10.12 | abrotman | gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 19:11.05 | dracc | Where do I find the courier webadmin by default?! |
| 19:11.20 | dracc | I've googled for about 2 hours with no response to that question. :( |
| 19:11.34 | dracc | http://myip.com/what ? |
| 19:11.37 | vaxerdec | hello, is it safe to grep comments out of debconf-get-selections? it looks like these comments are actually data because their text is identical to what dpkg-reconfigure will ask |
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| 19:12.13 | bblinder | ignore -channels #debian * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS |
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| 19:14.00 | komanda | When i try to start memcached with -c 20000 i get "Failed to set rlimit for open files. Try starting again as root or requesting smaller maxconns value" |
| 19:14.24 | jhutchins | dracc: courrier mailserver? |
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| 19:14.25 | Cuby96 | okay, did that gnome thing, what next? |
| 19:14.33 | dracc | jhutchins: That's correct! |
| 19:14.53 | komanda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.05 | jordanm | komanda: do you have a question? |
| 19:15.09 | vaxerdec | komanda: komanda and what is the question? |
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| 19:15.39 | komanda | how to get memcached to start with a large -c like -c 20000 |
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| 19:16.32 | vaxerdec | komanda: isn't the answer in the error message? |
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| 19:16.41 | jhutchins | dracc: I would check /usr/share/doc/courier* for README files. Possibly /mail but you'd have to reload the webserver |
| 19:17.17 | jhutchins | dracc: Could also be /SqWebMail or just /webmail |
| 19:17.17 | dracc | jhutchins: Thanks. :) |
| 19:17.35 | jordanm | komanda: start it as root, but use the -u option so it drops privs to the user you want |
| 19:17.36 | jhutchins | dracc: Check /etc/apache/sites-available and modules-available. |
| 19:17.37 | dracc | But it's not the webmail I'm looking for, it's the webadmin interface. :( |
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| 19:18.14 | jhutchins | dracc: Maybe there isn't one. |
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| 19:18.49 | dracc | jhutchins, well, I ran "aptitude install courier-webadmin" successfully... |
| 19:18.59 | dracc | :( |
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| 19:19.45 | jhutchins | dracc: Then look to see what docs that package included. |
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| 19:20.08 | dracc | jhutchins: So I did now, think I found it. THANKS! :D |
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| 19:23.18 | homecable | how long does it take an isp to put in a ptr for an domainname ? |
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| 19:23.58 | komanda | jordanm: tried it, didn't work. |
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| 19:25.25 | abrotman | homecable: depends on your ISP |
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| 19:25.38 | abrotman | homecable: could be three minutes, could be three days |
| 19:26.42 | abrotman | homecable: there's no need to msg me, I told you the answer |
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| 19:27.04 | berz3rk | Hey, can I use debian with gnome 3.14? |
| 19:27.11 | berz3rk | did it hit jesse? |
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| 19:27.17 | abrotman | berz3rk: yes |
| 19:27.22 | gamer | hi. is possible to upgrade MySQL without root password changing? upgrade from 5.1 to 5.5 deletes 5.1 and then install 5.5 and then prompts for new root password |
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| 19:32.26 | komanda | sudo ulimit -n 16384 #ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Invalid argument |
| 19:32.33 | komanda | on OSX |
| 19:32.36 | komanda | why? |
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| 19:33.05 | Mahmoud_m | Hi, |
| 19:33.06 | Mahmoud_m | I am trying to do traffic monitoring using a SOHO router with Debian on it. I want to visualise the data through a web interface so that the user can see whatâs happening to his bandwidth. Whatâs the best tool I can get the data from? I am really confused. When I search it, I see tons of commands and tools (like this http://www.binarytides.com/linux-commands-monitor-network/). Whatâs the best one I can use? I pre |
| 19:33.07 | Mahmoud_m | per IP monitoring. |
| 19:33.08 | Mahmoud_m | Thanks |
| 19:33.08 | *** kick/#debian [Mahmoud_m!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 19:33.14 | abrotman | komanda: this is #debian, not #macosx |
| 19:33.15 | phy1729 | komanda: this is #debian |
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| 19:33.53 | Mahmoud_m | Hi, |
| 19:33.53 | Mahmoud_m | I am trying to do traffic monitoring using a SOHO router with Debian on it. I want to visualise the data through a web interface so that the user can see whatâs happening to his bandwidth. Whatâs the best tool I can get the data from? I am really confused. When I search it, I see tons of commands and tools. Whatâs the best one I can use? I prefer per IP monitoring. |
| 19:33.54 | Mahmoud_m | Thanks |
| 19:34.00 | abrotman | please stop pasting that |
| 19:34.06 | Mahmoud_m | sorry |
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| 19:34.25 | Mahmoud_m | am I not allowed to ask questions here? |
| 19:35.07 | komanda | Mahmoud_m: #networking is a friendlier channel |
| 19:35.11 | jelly-home | Mahmoud_m: noone is allowed to repeat the exact same question in the same hour |
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| 19:35.47 | komanda | jelly-home: lol tyranical neckbeards |
| 19:35.49 | Mahmoud_m | sorry again. I was kicked out. I thought it was the link. will try the networking channel |
| 19:35.59 | jelly-home | Mahmoud_m: ntop might be of use |
| 19:36.02 | abrotman | you were kicked out for flooding the channel |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | and I'd second ntop as a start |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | looks at jordanm |
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| 19:36.53 | jelly-home | komanda: just practical; allowing people to repeat stuff every five minutes just adds noise |
| 19:37.09 | abrotman | (especially when flood pasting their question) |
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| 19:44.09 | linuxthefish | what do people here use as a laptop? |
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| 19:45.37 | abrotman | linuxthefish: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:51.31 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: I have a think pad. I think it's an x60. |
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| 19:52.38 | jhutchins | Mahmoud_m: One of ther reasons there are so many options is that each one does some particular thing better. You just have to try a few and see which ones do what you want done. |
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| 19:53.36 | Mahmoud_m | can I comment on jhutchinsâs response or am I going to be kicked out if I do so? |
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| 19:55.17 | majuscule | don't live in fear Mahmoud_m |
| 19:55.53 | jelly-home | Mahmoud_m: auto kicker only acts if people write 4+ lines very fast |
| 19:56.10 | Mahmoud_m | :) fair enoug. thanks |
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| 19:58.29 | Mahmoud_m | on that note, I am considering ntopng, but I donât know any Lua. My project involves PHP (and maybe Python?). So, can I use ntopngâs API via php or is Lua a must? (sorry if my Q is stupid. I am new to the realm). |
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| 20:05.07 | telmich | good evening |
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| 20:05.34 | telmich | why does "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install qemu" give me version 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u5 and not 2.1+dfsg-5~bpo70+1? |
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| 20:05.40 | Kathleen23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.03 | telmich | I have added backports to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list and ran apt-get update before |
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| 20:09.36 | somiaj | telmich: look at the output of 'apt-cache policy gemu' |
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| 20:09.50 | somiaj | telmich: arg, qemu, not sure why I put a 'g' there |
| 20:11.59 | telmich | somiaj: http://pastie.org/9756725 |
| 20:12.17 | telmich | ahh |
| 20:12.19 | telmich | -t is at 990 |
| 20:12.22 | telmich | grrrr |
| 20:13.18 | somiaj | telmich: yea looks like you figured it out, pinned those too high at 1001 |
| 20:13.38 | somiaj | default should be 500 |
| 20:13.54 | telmich | somiaj: is that my configuration fault or $somewhere else? |
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| 20:14.19 | somiaj | not sure what pinned your default repos at 1001 |
| 20:14.34 | telmich | i.e. this is a fresh wheezy + backports list added |
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| 20:14.59 | somiaj | well since the default should be 500, you did something to change the pinning, check /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:15.01 | telmich | I find the pinning settings below apt.conf.d? |
| 20:15.16 | somiaj | could check that too, unsure what or how they got pinned so high |
| 20:15.51 | telmich | argh, I see there is preferences.d/wheezy with a pin to 1001 - have to figure out where this is coming from |
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| 20:16.26 | telmich | somiaj: thanks a lot for the pointers |
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| 20:16.50 | somiaj | telmich: try dpkg -S /apth/to/foo |
| 20:17.01 | somiaj | maybe some package sneaked it in there |
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| 20:17.27 | telmich | nothing.. maybe from bootstrapping the system |
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| 20:25.49 | _spm_draget | There is a package which installs a config file under /etc/apache2/conf.d/. This config file is not needed by me (just includes an unnessecary option). What would be the 'cleanest' way of getting rid of it? Is there a way to add local patches to packages? Anythin that prevents the file form being installed, also with updates. |
| 20:26.54 | homecable | can any one /dns 208.88.170.194 |
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| 20:27.37 | markizano | homecable: like a host -tptr ? |
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| 20:27.54 | `Kevin | 194.170.88.208.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer darkinfo.org. |
| 20:27.57 | petemc | homecable: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 20:27.58 | markizano | _spm_draget: is this your file you put there, or another package put that file there? |
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| 20:30.37 | abrotman | _spm_draget: why not purge the package? |
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| 20:30.46 | _spm_draget | markizano: The package (owncloud from Suse Build Service) installes this config file. |
| 20:30.54 | _spm_draget | I want the package installed, except for that file. |
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| 20:31.04 | abrotman | _spm_draget: oh, just empty the file |
| 20:31.13 | markizano | _spm_draget: then you can just remove it |
| 20:31.27 | _spm_draget | If I empty/remove it, won't the next update recreate it? |
| 20:31.30 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:31.33 | markizano | actually, abrotman has the better idea, that will prevent it from coming back when the package upgrades. |
| 20:32.00 | _spm_draget | Ah, okay. Thanks, I will try that. |
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| 20:32.38 | markizano | when you update, aptitude will prompt you if you want to: Yes, overwrite this with the maintainers' config file; No, keep my local version installed; Diff, see the differences between the two |
| 20:32.43 | markizano | _spm_draget: ^ |
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| 20:35.08 | abrotman | _spm_draget: or even better, comment out the lines .. |
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| 20:35.30 | _spm_draget | abrotman: Jup, that is what I did. Including a comment to remind my sutpid future-me why I did this. |
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| 20:36.45 | talin | hello. i am running debian 7.7, and this laptop is only about 6 months old, so it does not work with a lot of my hardware (wifi card and soundcard, primarily). is it worth upgrading to "testing"? how stable is it? this is a work machine |
| 20:37.21 | abrotman | _spm_draget: good plan :) |
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| 20:37.57 | _spm_draget | I have to check what unattended-upgrade will do with these config files. |
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| 20:38.13 | `Kevin | talin: id suggest pulling the drivers from web for linux and seeing if you can make it work |
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| 20:39.34 | markizano | talin: can you please pastebin: `lspci; lshw -c network; lsmod|grep wifi || echo no wifi drivers loaded' |
| 20:39.40 | talin | `Kevin: hmm, okay. thank you for the tip |
| 20:39.42 | markizano | talin: also what kind of wireless drivers d'you have ? |
| 20:39.50 | markizano | err |
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| 20:39.54 | markizano | wireless card** |
| 20:40.07 | biglama | hi guys, i'm beginning to run out of space in my root partition (500M available out of 9G) |
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| 20:40.25 | biglama | any idea on how to clean my system ? i already used apt-get clean && autoclean |
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| 20:41.28 | talin | markizano: i will paste. one min |
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| 20:42.19 | markizano | biglama: sudo apt-get install ncdu |
| 20:42.22 | markizano | ncdu -x / |
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| 20:42.37 | markizano | see what you're consuming and maybe you can clean out some unnecessary stuff ? |
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| 20:43.21 | talin | 21:42 < markizano> see what you're consuming and maybe you can clean out some |
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| 20:43.37 | talin | sorry about that... https://dpaste.de/fKMW |
| 20:43.39 | biglama | markizano: thanks, i already did some "du -h" in the root |
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| 20:43.42 | talin | markizano: there you go |
| 20:43.54 | _spm_draget | What will unattended-upgrades do on config updaes? |
| 20:43.59 | eblip | test |
| 20:44.13 | talin | markizano: think i should use the iwlwifi or something for that card. but it doesn't seem to work if i modprobe iwlwifi. atleast nothing shows up in ifconfig |
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| 20:46.00 | `Kevin | talin: indeed http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi |
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| 20:46.40 | biglama | do you think it's safe to delete /usr/share/doc/texlive-doc ? |
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| 20:46.47 | `Kevin | talin: are you on at least 3.1.x as it says? ( uname -r ) |
| 20:46.54 | talin | hmm, since kernel 3.10. it seems that debian 7.7 comes with kernel 3.2 |
| 20:46.58 | `Kevin | 3.1x* |
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| 20:47.37 | talin | ah, okay. so it should be supported? strange... |
| 20:48.00 | markizano | talin - it's not as straightforward as one would like :/ |
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| 20:48.06 | jelly-home | talin: there's a kernel newer than 3.10 in wheezy-backports |
| 20:48.06 | markizano | I just went thru wifi hell with iwlwifi :x |
| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | !tell talin about wheezy-backports |
| 20:48.18 | talin | markizano: oh |
| 20:48.19 | jelly-home | !tell talin about bpo kernel |
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| 20:48.34 | markizano | talin: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.16... |
| 20:48.37 | jelly-home | and you probably need the non-free firmware |
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| 20:49.31 | jelly-home | talin: also read /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 20:49.45 | talin | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 20:50.41 | markizano | talin: echo deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:50.47 | jhutchins | talin: Did you follow the instructions on bdo for setting up the repository? |
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| 20:50.59 | markizano | there's a backports thing you have to install too... |
| 20:51.07 | jelly-home | talin: did you read what dpkg bot told you (in private) about wheezy-backports? |
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| 20:52.08 | markizano | talin: once you get backports installed and working, you can install the latest kernel - 3.16 |
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| 20:52.45 | markizano | talin: reboot into your new kernel; next, install this backports thingy: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/backports/stable/v3.17.1/ |
| 20:52.49 | markizano | modprobe iwlwifi |
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| 20:53.01 | markizano | and you should see wlan0 in ifconfig |
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| 20:53.10 | markizano | my issue was getting the right version of everything... |
| 20:53.14 | talin | jelly-home: ah, got it now |
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| 20:54.13 | talin | do i need to enable the new kernel with grub or something? |
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| 20:57.18 | talin | i will reboot now and see if i find it |
| 20:57.21 | talin | thank you. bbr |
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| 20:58.34 | wyre | chicos... si monto un usb con la stable_netinstall eso es wheezy? o jessie? |
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| 20:59.50 | rfxchlx | check your sources.list files |
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| 21:00.17 | marioxcc | Hello. Why isn't MariaDB in the repositiories of Debian Wheezy? |
| 21:00.19 | talin | nice. i booted the new kernel |
| 21:00.28 | talin | i got a much higher resolution on console |
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| 21:00.33 | talin | and wwan0 appeared |
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| 21:00.41 | talin | no wlan0 yet though, but i haven't installed backports yet |
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| 21:01.38 | talin | and it seems to have found my soundcard as well. great |
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| 21:04.39 | talin | dmesg | grep -i wifi |
| 21:04.45 | talin | [ 3.229619] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux, in-tree: |
| 21:04.45 | talin | [ 3.229785] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: irq 63 for MSI/MSI-X |
| 21:04.45 | talin | [ 3.239641] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode (-2) |
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| 21:09.44 | eblip | testy |
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| 21:12.47 | brontosaurusrex | a dual-pane markdown writer for debian? (i'd like markdown preview on the fly) |
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| 21:14.20 | _spm_draget | If a package installs a config file, and I make changes to this config file, apt will still happily update the package without asking me to update the config if the actual package-update does not touch the config, correct? |
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| 21:14.46 | _spm_draget | *only* if the package-update changes the config-file and I have local changes, apt will bother me, correct? |
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| 21:15.44 | markizano | _spm_draget: what about this: |
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| 21:16.05 | markizano | I have custom changes to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf - everytime I update apache, it asks me if it wants to overwrite it or keep it local each time it updates. |
| 21:16.15 | markizano | if there are no suggested configuration updates, then it doesn't prompt me. |
| 21:16.21 | markizano | _spm_draget: ^ that help ? |
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| 21:16.43 | markizano | _spm_draget: yes, only when there are changes to be resolved with apt complain/prompt about anything |
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| 21:21.42 | _spm_draget | markizano: Thanks, yes |
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| 21:22.55 | linuxthefish | apt-get install yum |
| 21:22.55 | linuxthefish | :D |
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| 21:33.32 | StaticLNX | I removed a directory in /etc a while back thinking if I apt-get install app'd again it would reinstall it but it didnt... how do I get it to install with the files in etc again? |
| 21:34.11 | rebauld | what is the app? |
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| 21:34.44 | StaticLNX | squid3 |
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| 21:37.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell StaticLNX about confmiss |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell StaticLNX about confnew |
| 21:37.33 | StaticLNX | ty |
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| 21:37.48 | CheckDavid | Can I run windows on top of Debian easily? |
| 21:38.05 | CheckDavid | Through VM of course. |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | VirtualBox |
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| 21:38.23 | CheckDavid | Yeah |
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| 21:49.26 | Ice-x | -Please buy this game http://www.desura.com/games/WipeGround-Wpx- |
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| 21:51.43 | jemendja | hi |
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| 21:52.58 | sdx23 | hi; is there a similar tool to xlock still in the repositories? I know xtrlock but don't quite like it. |
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| 21:54.37 | mosez_ | hi |
| 21:55.18 | cugoz | hi |
| 21:55.52 | mosez_ | why is it not possible to install redis-server and redis-tools on wheezy? https://github.com/dockitapp/dockit-plugin-single-redis/blob/master/docker/debian/7.x/install.sh#L26 errors with "redis-tools : Breaks: redis-server (< 2:2.6.16-1) but 2:2.4.14-1 is to be installed" :( |
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| 21:56.16 | mosez_ | i need redis-server but redis-cli as well and this is only available within redis-tools |
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| 21:58.10 | mosez_ | on jessie it works fine |
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| 22:00.53 | Ice-x | - who is here a unity 3d programmer ? pm me |
| 22:01.12 | mosez_ | and just another question... are there any official openstack packages for debian? and is there a current version of gem2deb which can be used for converting gems to deb packages? :) |
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| 22:02.19 | mosez_ | ah, openstack packages on gplhost.com :) |
| 22:02.21 | mosez_ | http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt-debian/content/basics-packages.html |
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| 22:47.40 | Rad- | why are there two debian DVD isos? |
| 22:48.10 | Rad- | er three* |
| 22:49.28 | Rad- | nvm i found it netinst debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent right? |
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| 22:50.18 | LtL | Rad-: that will work |
| 22:50.25 | Rad- | rt |
| 22:50.27 | Rad- | ty* |
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| 23:00.07 | fommil | hi all. I just noticed that ffmpeg isn't in jessie. How are people creating mp4s from jpgs? (any video format supported by chromium will do) |
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| 23:01.34 | fommil | avconv? |
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| 23:19.13 | lanodan | Otherwise you can install ffmpeg with deb-multimedia.org archives, but itâs not officials packages |
| 23:19.25 | lanodan | s/archives/packages/ |
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| 23:30.55 | GeekDude | I'm using a debian jessie based OS, and whenever my usb wifi dongle is not in use, it switches off. I can leave ping running and it'll be stable for the duration of the test, but if I don't do anything after a minute or two it just gives up and disconnects. Is there anywhere I can go to get help for this issue? |
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| 23:41.04 | tekzilla | GeekDude: that sounds strange, maybe find out what chipset is in it and if others have similar problems ? |
| 23:41.36 | GeekDude | 7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS] |
| 23:41.46 | GeekDude | If I'm not mistaken, the best selling dongle on amazon |
| 23:41.58 | GeekDude | commonly used on the raspberry pi |
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| 23:42.46 | tekzilla | so "Realtek RTL8188CUS" would be the chipset |
| 23:43.06 | GeekDude | yeah |
| 23:43.12 | cafuego | 8188, specifically |
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| 23:44.21 | GeekDude | Could it be some kind of power management gone awry? |
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| 23:44.50 | GeekDude | One person on the raspbian forums says " The 8192cu kernel module has power management enabled by default:". I'd expect similar chipset drivers to have similar features |
| 23:45.18 | cafuego | Do people never learn? Assuming things about realtek chipsets... |
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| 23:45.53 | GeekDude | Hey now, I don't have any realtek troubleshooting experience to learn from |
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| 23:45.56 | GeekDude | I'm not a people, I'm an individual |
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| 23:46.17 | GeekDude | Besides, I said chipset drivers, not chipsets :P |
| 23:46.23 | cafuego | GeekDude: I'm definitely plaming whoever posed on that forum, not you :-) |
| 23:46.30 | cafuego | blaming, also |
| 23:46.40 | tekzilla | well at least you have a pointer, could be as easy as disabling the power management with an option when loading the module |
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| 23:47.43 | GeekDude | oh wow |
| 23:47.56 | GeekDude | the config file is there, the relevant line is just commented out |
| 23:48.11 | GeekDude | "# Disable power management in the 8192cu driver. This works around a bug in some hardware where the device never wakes back up." |
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| 23:49.28 | GeekDude | Hopefully that'll fix it |
| 23:49.33 | tekzilla | :) |
| 23:49.50 | GeekDude | It's really annoying to have your mobile mini-webserver not respond to web requests |
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| 23:52.18 | tekzilla | in parted, can i create a new partition at the beginning of free space, rather than giving it a start position ? |
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| 23:54.25 | GeekDude | Not sure if placebo, but the wifi appears to have a much faster initial response time than before |
| 23:55.10 | tekzilla | maybe it doesnt have to wake up every microsecond :) |
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