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| 00:08.56 | vaxerdec | hello, is dpkg-reconfigure supposed to respect values from debconf? it does not seem to |
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| 00:13.49 | vaxerdec | i have a machine i copy timezone config from to another, using "debconf-get-selections | grep ^tzdata | ssh foo debconf-set-selections" and, as expected, before/after "debconf-show tzdata" shows the value has changed correctly. however, after "dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=noninteractive tzdata" the value is back to the original! |
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| 00:21.05 | deuterium | hia. i have a raid5 (4 x 4 tb disks), on top of that lvm with one big 12 tb vg 'pve', then on top of that again, a 4 gb lv 'root' (mounted as /), a 5 tb lv 'data' (mounted as /var/lib/vz) and a lv 'swap' (16 gb, swap device). at the point where the debian installer wants to install grub to /dev/sda, it fails (displays an error, but nothing specific). any idea why this happens and what i can do to prevent this error? |
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| 00:22.13 | deuterium | it's debian 7, wheezy, btw ;) |
| 00:22.23 | vaxerdec | deuterium: is the raid using md or dmraid? |
| 00:22.41 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: how are the drives partitioned? are they gpt? Do you have a grub partition? What does the console say? |
| 00:23.07 | deuterium | vaxerdec: md, i.e. swraid |
| 00:23.31 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: gpt. do i need a special grub partition? |
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| 00:23.48 | vaxerdec | deuterium: i don't know the installer well enough, but i avoid using combinations like that on rootfs to get the system up. in particular lvm has history of being problematic as rootfs, but that is probably solved problem |
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| 00:24.09 | vaxerdec | deuterium: well, both dmraid and mdraid are software raid |
| 00:24.15 | deuterium | phyisically, each disk contains one huge partition |
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| 00:24.58 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: yeah, you'll probably need one |
| 00:24.58 | deuterium | vaxerdec: i think it's mdraid.. i'm using the default debian 7 installer in expert mode |
| 00:25.01 | vaxerdec | deuterium: is it grub2? |
| 00:25.05 | deuterium | vaxerdec: yes |
| 00:25.19 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: something like: 1 17.4kB 1049kB 1031kB grub bios_gru |
| 00:25.27 | vaxerdec | deuterium: you can boot, but not mount root? or you can't even load the kernel? |
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| 00:25.52 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: presumably, grub-instlal should have given you some useful error in that case, about it not being able to properly install the initial files that it needs because there may not be enough space |
| 00:25.59 | deuterium | vaxerdec: the failure happens during the debian installation, at the step where the installer wants to install grub to the mbr of the disks |
| 00:26.26 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: that the installer doesn't set that up itself is probably a bug (which may have been fixed in jessie) |
| 00:26.43 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: unfortunately, it just said it failed installing.. no specific error message was given |
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| 00:27.02 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: oh |
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| 00:27.30 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: you should see it being called on VT5 or 6? and some error there |
| 00:27.31 | vaxerdec | deuterium: i've never actually run the installer, i just use debootstrap |
| 00:27.35 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: and the grub partition needs to be a physical one, at the very bottom on each of the 4 hard disks? |
| 00:27.47 | vaxerdec | deuterium: that might be easier for your case actually |
| 00:27.49 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: ok, let me check |
| 00:27.51 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: yes, but a very small one |
| 00:28.01 | vaxerdec | deu |
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| 00:28.11 | vaxerdec | deuterium: grub2 cannot boot off an lvm? |
| 00:28.19 | vaxerdec | deuterium: i thought it had modules for that |
| 00:28.48 | vaxerdec | deuterium: i don't like doing it because it makes rescue situations more complicated though, but i thought it could be done by now |
| 00:29.29 | deuterium | ok, got some error messages in the log on console 4 |
| 00:29.42 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: and it should be the first partition. By default, the partitions should be created on 1M boundaries (IIRC), so you can just create the new partition from the start until the 1M "real" partition |
| 00:30.04 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/BIOS-installation.html#BIOS-installation <-- see this for more information |
| 00:30.22 | deuterium | "grub-installer: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible" |
| 00:30.35 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: yeah. that's eactly the problem |
| 00:30.57 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: wow, ok |
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| 00:31.23 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: you should be able to run parted from the installer and create that partition, and then grub should install |
| 00:31.41 | deuterium | i guess the debian installer creates it in standard mode, but i used expert mode to set up the raid5, lvm etc. |
| 00:32.06 | vaxerdec | why does it need a BIOS partition on an EFI system? |
| 00:32.10 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: yeah, could be. |
| 00:32.49 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: because if it doesn't, there's no way for grub to embed the first bits that it needs to bring up raid, etc. |
| 00:32.55 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: and this grub partition really needs to be on every of the 4 disks and below the raid5, right? |
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| 00:33.07 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: well, it absolutely has to be on one of them, and you really want it on all of them. |
| 00:33.24 | deuterium | ah ok.. i think i got the idea now |
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| 00:33.34 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: wouldn't that be done by the loadable modules loaded by the grub EFI? |
| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: and you might as well have it first in the partition list, because it doesn't need to be > 1M, and you've got at least that free already |
| 00:33.42 | deuterium | dondelelcaro, vaxerdec: thanks for the hints, will try this! |
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| 00:33.56 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: yes, but those modules have to be stored somewhere. |
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| 00:34.03 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: ie on the EFI partition? oh, there is none on yours, you didn't make an EFI |
| 00:34.08 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: or ESP rather |
| 00:35.20 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: if you can, avoid grub entirely, use something simple like gummi and an ESP, well, one option for you. bios is complicated hassle IMO. anyways good luck |
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| 00:35.55 | deuterium | vaxerdec: gummi? |
| 00:36.27 | hugbot | alwauys says lilo is light and effective |
| 00:36.37 | hugbot | loves lilo |
| 00:36.38 | vaxerdec | deuterium: i must have the name wrong, what is it called... |
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| 00:36.54 | hugbot | only uses grub varients when multiboot is needed |
| 00:36.58 | vaxerdec | deuterium: gummiboot maybe |
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| 00:37.33 | deuterium | vaxerdec: interesting, it's the first time i've heard of it |
| 00:37.54 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: grub is actually super simple... |
| 00:38.30 | hugbot | also likes the chamelion bootloader |
| 00:38.37 | dondelelcaro | of course, I'm probably biased, because I've dealt with it a ton |
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| 00:39.11 | hugbot | like ppl always look at chamelion in terms of only osx86 |
| 00:39.19 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: grub1 was simple. grub2 is complicated. i actually use refind myself |
| 00:39.25 | hugbot | but its a damn good little efi bootloader |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: grub2 I actually find simpler, because it's far more modular... but whatever works, I guess |
| 00:39.59 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: indeed |
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| 00:40.37 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: anyways you could put grub on an esp, or even just put your kernels directly on them. kernels are efi stubs now |
| 00:40.38 | dondelelcaro | I also tend to find that many other bootloaders lack serial console support, fallbacks, or the ability to boot off of lvm+raid, which are all pretty killer features to me... |
| 00:41.50 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: the grub_bios partition is basically equivalent to an esp |
| 00:42.16 | dondelelcaro | (though, admitedly, it's not really, because a real ESP requires EFI, which grub_bios does not) |
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| 00:43.38 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: but then you require bios support, many efi firmwares don't support that anymore even |
| 00:45.07 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: when it does emulate bios, the firmware boots slower too (which isn't much of a concern, but to some people) |
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| 00:47.27 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: sure; in which case I think you can use the grub-efi packages |
| 00:47.39 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: yes, you can |
| 00:47.46 | dondelelcaro | currently doesn't have any hardware that is new enough to really be sure, though |
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| 00:48.22 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: oh, if you have a native bios, then yeah i would probably still use grub (grub1 for me though) |
| 00:48.33 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i thought you had an efi system but were using bios compat mode |
| 00:48.37 | dondelelcaro | nope |
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| 00:49.04 | dondelelcaro | I just have a bios system which has large enough drives that it has to be GPT |
| 00:49.53 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i don't mind booting off swraid because the boot loader doesn't need to have any idea about raid being on the disk (as long as you put the raid superblock at the end), but lvm is complicated, it requires lvm support in the initrd userspace and also the kernel, just to get it off the ground |
| 00:50.25 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: sure, but Debian handles all of that automatically |
| 00:50.49 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: which is fine, but in certain scenarios it can cause trouble. so i like / on separate partition without lvm, and /usr and everything else inside the lvm once the system comes up |
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| 00:51.23 | dondelelcaro | I used to do that, but I've switch completely to using LVM. Much easier to migrate disks, and do other crazy things |
| 00:51.45 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: yes, i've been debating it |
| 00:51.50 | dondelelcaro | but there certainly are drawbacks, as the LVM/RAID stack is more complicated |
| 00:52.11 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: it probably is ok to do it now, i was burned a couple times years ago and it still hurts ;-) |
| 00:52.26 | dondelelcaro | yep; been there, done that here too |
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| 00:53.03 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: the same argument can be applied to having just one big / |
| 00:53.38 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i think maybe this is feasible with btrfs, due to the size restrictions and subvolumes, but i wouldn't do that with ext4 |
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| 00:57.19 | vaxerdec | does anyone know if dpkg-reconfigure is supposed to respect settings from debconf? |
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| 00:59.40 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: generally, no. It's supposed to respect settings in the configuration files. |
| 01:00.02 | dondelelcaro | (this basically what is meant by "debconf is not a registry") |
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| 01:00.36 | dondelelcaro | if the package in question hasn't ever been configured before, then the defaults probably should be set by debconf, though. |
| 01:00.37 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i hadn't heard that phrase, i was actually thinking "boy, this looks like a registry" |
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| 01:02.02 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: well, how do i give actual answers to "dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive" ? |
| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: with debconf-set-selections before you install it? |
| 01:03.31 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i found that i can make it do the right things if i use a non-interactive frontend (eg readline) |
| 01:03.42 | dondelelcaro | if you mean after its already installed, you probably want a real configuration management system, like pupet or similar. |
| 01:03.45 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: ok what about after it's installed? it just ignores debconf post-install ? |
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| 01:04.15 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: ideally, it should ignore the database and load the values from the configuration file |
| 01:04.28 | dondelelcaro | but not all packages do that, because that's hard |
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| 01:05.02 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: yes, i do want that, but right now i'm trying to configure a system that was set up using debootstrap, and i'm not to that point yet of using ansible/etc |
| 01:05.19 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: it sounds like debconf is only useful for seeding before packages are installed |
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| 01:05.44 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i wonder if apt-get --reinstall install will work |
| 01:06.12 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: right |
| 01:06.18 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: that's basically all that it does |
| 01:06.27 | vaxerdec | i see, hm |
| 01:06.32 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: or in some specific cases, interactively reconfiguring them |
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| 01:06.51 | vaxerdec | in this case it is locales configuration, but the locale package is already installed |
| 01:07.16 | vaxerdec | i tried "apt-get --reinstall install locales" and that works but it also ignores debconf |
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| 01:08.02 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: what do you want to change? |
| 01:08.04 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: well i'm trying to automate something for getting raspberry pis up, i guess i have to do it during the bootstrap, by seeding the response file |
| 01:08.22 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, just seed the response file in deboostrap |
| 01:08.29 | dondelelcaro | that's what it's for |
| 01:08.33 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: well i just want to set the locale config same as "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but non-interactively |
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| 01:09.20 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: it's kind of strange that "dpkg-reconfigure" has a non-interactive front end but no way to input to it, if the interactive ones *do* have a way |
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| 01:09.53 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i thought dpkg-set-selections was the way, but dpkg-reconfigure just ignores it |
| 01:10.07 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: it must be because 'locales' was already installed |
| 01:10.24 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: ok, well, at least i know why it's happening then, and this is outside scope of debconf usage |
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| 01:10.56 | GeekDude | tekzilla: It appears if that was the issue, it was only part of the issue. It has just disconnected again |
| 01:11.04 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 01:11.10 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: right. In this case, you can just edit /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen appropriately, and rerun dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
| 01:11.13 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: no problem |
| 01:11.52 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: wait, if i do the job of dpkg-reconfigure manually, why would i run dpkg-reconfigure after that? |
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| 01:12.08 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: to run locale-gen |
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| 01:12.43 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: so i could just run that, instead of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:12.47 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: right |
| 01:12.55 | dondelelcaro | vaxerdec: you can of course run it manually too. You can see precisely what dpkg-reconfigure is doing in this case in /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.config |
| 01:13.03 | dondelelcaro | whichever is easier |
| 01:13.10 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: but dpkg-reconfigure changes debconf, and locale-gen will not |
| 01:13.16 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 01:14.32 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: so then you could edit config files and they would get out of sync with what debconf thinks. so then on package upgrade, it would have false information |
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| 01:15.30 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: i kind of think debconf is needless layer, i prefer actual response file, if it is really just static data like that, no need for some dynamic db that changes |
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| 01:16.17 | vaxerdec | dondelelcaro: it is really just static bootstrap data, sounds like. |
| 01:17.00 | vaxerdec | ok, well it all makes sense to me now anyways. thanks for your help. |
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| 01:27.39 | ebfull | i'm trying to get hibernate to disk working with an encrypted swap partition |
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| 01:28.07 | ebfull | i already had it working before, but wanted to move my swap partition to another drive which is decrypted with a keyfile |
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| 01:28.40 | ebfull | i don't think the crypttab devices/LVM are set up until after the resume stuff happens in initramfs |
| 01:28.52 | ebfull | so it's not working :\ |
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| 01:43.17 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: btw, grub-install worked fine once i created the 1 mb bios_grub partitions at the begin of all 4 disks :) thanks for the help! |
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| 01:58.52 | ashleee22 | Spy your Whatsapp contacts in http://www.checkwhatsapp.com |
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| 02:00.24 | nicko88 | i have a question that i can't seem to find |
| 02:00.29 | nicko88 | when i boot up i get this message in my log |
| 02:00.40 | nicko88 | Tue Dec 2 17:42:46 2014: Loading kernel module vmmon. |
| 02:00.41 | nicko88 | Tue Dec 2 17:42:46 2014: FATAL: Module vmmon not found. |
| 02:00.49 | nicko88 | i know its from vmware which i remoevd awhile back |
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| 02:00.59 | nicko88 | but i can't figure out how to get it to stop tryingot load it |
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| 02:03.50 | wols_ | nicko88: /etc/modules ? |
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| 02:10.55 | nicko88 | i dont have that |
| 02:11.04 | nicko88 | there is /etc/modprobe.d |
| 02:11.19 | nicko88 | but nothing related to vmmon in there |
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| 02:16.09 | RayzrShrp | how did you remove vmware |
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| 02:19.08 | nicko88 | with the uninstall script it came with |
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| 02:19.43 | nicko88 | it was a .bundle |
| 02:19.54 | nicko88 | and when i run it its an interactive install/uninstall |
| 02:20.02 | nicko88 | vmware workstation 10 to be exact |
| 02:20.31 | Hunterkll | hey guys |
| 02:20.37 | Hunterkll | ashleee22 is sending onjoin spam |
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| 02:25.57 | wols | nicko88: check your init scripts |
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| 02:26.48 | dvs | ops |
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| 02:27.10 | wols | !ops ashleee22 hands out onjoin spam |
| 02:27.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wols complains about: ashleee22 hands out onjoin spam |
| 02:27.15 | wols | thx |
| 02:27.18 | dvs | better! |
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| 02:28.25 | dvs | yay |
| 02:28.27 | wols | nicko88: another thing you can do as root: cd /;grep -r vmmon * |
| 02:28.47 | wols | pats Corey on the back |
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| 02:29.01 | nicko88 | hmm |
| 02:29.46 | nicko88 | the first result is etc/modules:vmmon |
| 02:29.55 | nicko88 | i dont understand the colon |
| 02:30.37 | ectospasm | nicko88: the colon separates the file that matches from the full line for that particular match |
| 02:30.37 | WangDang | anyone know a way to use graphical aptitude in a minicom session without all the ugly characters and onscreen mess? |
| 02:30.55 | ectospasm | If multiple lines in a file match, you will see the line printed multiple times for that file |
| 02:31.10 | nicko88 | but the file is hidden or something? |
| 02:31.22 | wols | it simply means the module name is in your /etc/modules as I told you in the beginning |
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| 02:31.28 | ectospasm | WangDang: you mean the curses aptitude doesn't suffice? |
| 02:31.41 | nicko88 | i um |
| 02:31.50 | nicko88 | i dont understand i dont see that directory |
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| 02:31.51 | nicko88 | i can't enter it |
| 02:32.02 | wols | no the file is not hidden, it's even world readable. define "enter" |
| 02:32.05 | nicko88 | root@nick-server:/# cd /etc/modules -bash: cd: /etc/modules: Not a directory |
| 02:32.10 | WangDang | ectospasm: I mean curses aptitude when say graphical |
| 02:32.12 | rwp | What does ls -ld say about the directory permissions? |
| 02:32.14 | wols | it#s a FILE, not a directory |
| 02:32.23 | rwp | /etc/modules is a file not a directory. |
| 02:32.35 | wols | you edit a file with a editor, you don't cd into it |
| 02:32.36 | WangDang | curses stuff doesn't come out nicely over a serial session |
| 02:32.41 | nicko88 | ite empty |
| 02:32.52 | nicko88 | oh wait |
| 02:32.54 | wols | no it's not. are you root while editing? |
| 02:32.55 | rwp | There is normally a comment in the file. |
| 02:32.55 | nicko88 | i misstyped |
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| 02:33.03 | nicko88 | yeah there it is thanks |
| 02:33.06 | nicko88 | :) |
| 02:33.14 | wols | WangDang: if the terminal is set properly, it comes out fine |
| 02:33.16 | rwp | WangDang, curses was born and build on serial terminals. Works fine there. |
| 02:33.24 | ectospasm | WangDang: I don't use the curses interface to aptitude, just CLI |
| 02:33.37 | rwp | Or just use apt-get. |
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| 02:34.20 | WangDang | wols: by terminal settings, do you mean the settings in minicom itself? |
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| 02:35.45 | gnudna | so is debian 7 moving to an lts similar to squeeze or has no decision been made? |
| 02:36.11 | Cpuroast | that's the idea |
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| 02:36.23 | Cpuroast | based on the success of squeeze-lts |
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| 02:36.38 | gnudna | i hope it happens |
| 02:36.51 | Cpuroast | it might |
| 02:36.51 | RayzrShrp | so if im running debian under vmware what do i need to do to get a fullscreen console |
| 02:37.07 | RayzrShrp | right now its this tiny little screen |
| 02:37.14 | Cpuroast | gnudna: then again, Deb 8 will have some worthy improvements |
| 02:37.31 | Cpuroast | so sticking with 7 LTS may not be desirable in all cases |
| 02:37.43 | gnudna | tell me more Cpuroast |
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| 02:37.51 | Cpuroast | huh? |
| 02:38.02 | gnudna | if you run production servers then you know migrating is not always easy |
| 02:38.16 | Cpuroast | gnudna: we migrated all our Deb 6 VMs to 7 |
| 02:38.17 | ectospasm | I will consider moving to Jessie when it is the stable release. I don't have time for it otherwise. |
| 02:38.19 | Cpuroast | pretty easily |
| 02:38.25 | WangDang | or do you mean the xterm terminal in which i run minicom? |
| 02:38.30 | Cpuroast | some in-place upgrades |
| 02:38.36 | Cpuroast | some migrations to new VMs |
| 02:38.43 | gnudna | i meant what worthy improvements? |
| 02:38.47 | Cpuroast | oh |
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| 02:39.06 | Cpuroast | way newer packages, much newer kernel, much faster bootup because of launchd |
| 02:39.12 | gnudna | yeah all is possible i was hoping debian breaks the ice and goes like rhel ;) |
| 02:39.15 | Cpuroast | oups |
| 02:39.16 | phy1729 | I thought a GR passed that meant all ol stables will be supported for 2 years |
| 02:39.17 | Cpuroast | SystemD |
| 02:39.18 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 02:39.37 | Cpuroast | I use OSX, Linux and Windows on a daily basis |
| 02:39.44 | Cpuroast | so I always get LaunchD and SystemD mixed up |
| 02:39.48 | Cpuroast | in my head |
| 02:39.53 | gnudna | still on fence about systemd |
| 02:40.06 | Cpuroast | it's a major change |
| 02:40.09 | gnudna | but i am using it on a few servers so far with no issues |
| 02:40.13 | Cpuroast | but mostly good |
| 02:40.16 | RayzrShrp | any idea what debian is using for the console |
| 02:40.26 | RayzrShrp | trying to get full screen console under vm |
| 02:40.39 | RayzrShrp | i think its the frame buffer or something |
| 02:40.41 | gnudna | RayzrShrp full console? |
| 02:40.45 | Cpuroast | are you in Gnome? |
| 02:40.48 | gnudna | do you have X installed? |
| 02:40.54 | RayzrShrp | gnudna: yeah i installed a bare bones netint |
| 02:41.01 | RayzrShrp | unchecked all the boxes so it boots into a clu |
| 02:41.04 | Cpuroast | no Desktop environment? |
| 02:41.07 | RayzrShrp | correct |
| 02:41.08 | gnudna | if no x then a boot option like vga=792 might be helpfull |
| 02:41.12 | Cpuroast | aren't you in full screen then? |
| 02:41.23 | RayzrShrp | no im running under vmware workstation |
| 02:41.36 | Cpuroast | tell VMware to run the window fullscreen |
| 02:41.38 | Cpuroast | no? |
| 02:41.43 | RayzrShrp | so it might be 640x480 but my display is bigger then that |
| 02:41.46 | gnudna | actually check the vga=792 as it has been a while but it more or less will give you 1024x768 |
| 02:42.05 | RayzrShrp | where is that vga= setting kept? |
| 02:42.14 | gnudna | grub boot option |
| 02:42.24 | RayzrShrp | Cpuroast: it will run full screen with a box inside of it |
| 02:42.33 | Cpuroast | you can also just install ssh |
| 02:42.34 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 02:42.41 | Cpuroast | and then putty into it |
| 02:42.41 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 02:42.45 | RayzrShrp | Cpuroast: yeah thats an option |
| 02:42.53 | gnudna | i agree with ssh but can see why you would need vmware console access |
| 02:43.04 | Cpuroast | I never bother altering defaults |
| 02:43.07 | gnudna | in case the machine is off the network |
| 02:43.09 | Cpuroast | on my deb VMs |
| 02:43.20 | gnudna | in general neither do i |
| 02:43.26 | gnudna | but the boot one is easy |
| 02:43.28 | Cpuroast | the virtual console with the defaults is fine in my opinion |
| 02:44.07 | gnudna | then again my hardware is cheapish ;) and i do not have a 60 inch screen |
| 02:44.11 | auscompgeek | framebuffers have always just worked for me (except when using nvidia proprietary drivers) |
| 02:44.13 | gnudna | so everything looks big |
| 02:44.15 | RayzrShrp | well to be honest im trying to get an install of debian with desktop but no gnome bloat |
| 02:44.37 | gnudna | RayzrShrp then you need to look into xorg.conf |
| 02:44.47 | Cpuroast | and installing X |
| 02:44.48 | Cpuroast | 1st |
| 02:44.54 | gnudna | when X launches you can set a screen resolution |
| 02:45.04 | Cpuroast | if you unchecked desktop environment from the netinst |
| 02:45.11 | Cpuroast | you don't have X |
| 02:45.13 | RayzrShrp | so what i tried was installing debian with netinst and nothing checked in tasksel |
| 02:45.25 | RayzrShrp | then i did apt-get install openbox |
| 02:45.34 | Cpuroast | I always uncheck everything except SSH |
| 02:45.36 | Cpuroast | and start from there |
| 02:45.41 | gnudna | well now you need xorg and company |
| 02:45.43 | Cpuroast | makes smaller VMs |
| 02:45.51 | gnudna | same here |
| 02:45.58 | RayzrShrp | so openbox didnt list x as a dep |
| 02:46.27 | auscompgeek | yeah, because you don't necessarily need an X server installed to use a window manager |
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| 02:46.49 | gnudna | chicken and egg scenario ;) |
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| 02:46.51 | auscompgeek | see all the remote X solutions out there |
| 02:46.55 | RayzrShrp | ive tried insalling xorg and im not adept enough to get it working |
| 02:47.07 | gnudna | you don't need x on the actual box but you need X somewhere ;) |
| 02:47.08 | Cpuroast | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openbox |
| 02:47.14 | auscompgeek | install xorg and then just startx? |
| 02:47.23 | Cpuroast | yah X isn't a dep |
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| 02:47.27 | RayzrShrp | yeah but then its just a blank screen |
| 02:47.35 | gnudna | in cosole run openbox |
| 02:47.44 | gnudna | or add .xinitrc |
| 02:47.55 | gnudna | with the words openbox in it |
| 02:48.12 | RayzrShrp | yeah failed to open the display error |
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| 02:48.26 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: you forgot to actually give openbox a display |
| 02:48.49 | RayzrShrp | do i have a display without x being installed |
| 02:49.07 | auscompgeek | uhh... you installed xorg didn't you |
| 02:49.15 | RayzrShrp | lol nope about to |
| 02:49.21 | RayzrShrp | apt-get install xorg right |
| 02:49.22 | auscompgeek | *facepalm* |
| 02:49.25 | RayzrShrp | lol |
| 02:49.29 | gnudna | :) |
| 02:49.31 | DrakkenWarr | lulz |
| 02:49.56 | auscompgeek | but yeah, install xorg, create an xinitrc which starts an openbox session, then startx |
| 02:50.01 | gnudna | debian is nice but lacks some hand holding at times ;) |
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| 02:50.14 | DrakkenWarr | hehe agreed gnudna |
| 02:50.33 | RayzrShrp | wow so many deps for xorg |
| 02:50.35 | ectospasm | well, there's the wiki, and IRC... what more do you need? |
| 02:50.44 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: it's xorg, what did you expect |
| 02:50.55 | gnudna | a working desktop ectospasm is always a plus |
| 02:51.01 | DrakkenWarr | it does install a small crap ton of stuff |
| 02:51.21 | RayzrShrp | yeah i hate how with debian desktop you go to uninstaLl some bloat and it takes the entire system with it |
| 02:51.34 | gnudna | RayzrShrp will be smaller than if you installed any other window manager except maybe twm |
| 02:51.37 | DrakkenWarr | don't mess with arch then... |
| 02:51.53 | DrakkenWarr | openbox is the best anyway :D |
| 02:51.54 | gnudna | I loved arch |
| 02:52.01 | gnudna | key word loved |
| 02:52.12 | DrakkenWarr | aye, it's great once it setup and then it really sucks when it breaks |
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| 02:52.17 | gnudna | very annoying if you decide not to update for 3 weeks |
| 02:52.18 | auscompgeek | some of arch's packages are just plain stupid |
| 02:52.25 | RayzrShrp | i tried arch, messed with it for a week and thought i loved it but just doesnt behave under a vm |
| 02:52.40 | gnudna | and then some major change you missed on the front page sends all your hard work to hell |
| 02:52.48 | DrakkenWarr | manjaro does pretty well in a vm |
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| 02:52.56 | RayzrShrp | debian so far has been the most stable under vm |
| 02:53.01 | RayzrShrp | fedora sucls |
| 02:53.03 | DrakkenWarr | yupper same reason I do not run it anymore |
| 02:53.19 | RayzrShrp | jessie kinda sucks too so i fear its the systemd thats doing it |
| 02:53.20 | DrakkenWarr | centos or scientific is a better option than fedora |
| 02:53.28 | gnudna | RayzrShrp i have centos and fedora in Vm's no issues |
| 02:53.31 | RayzrShrp | yeah i have a centos vm for studying |
| 02:53.33 | Cpuroast | all our production VMs are all Debian minus 1 Centos 6 |
| 02:53.37 | DrakkenWarr | systemd is actually not that bad once you figure it out |
| 02:53.50 | gnudna | DrakkenWarr for now anyways |
| 02:53.52 | DrakkenWarr | centos here to for my RHCSA |
| 02:53.53 | RayzrShrp | jessie hangs when i power down |
| 02:54.02 | gnudna | i miss my old work arounds ;) |
| 02:54.05 | DrakkenWarr | fair enough point gnudna |
| 02:54.11 | DrakkenWarr | heh don't we all |
| 02:54.12 | Cpuroast | my test Jessie VM has been rock solid |
| 02:54.19 | RayzrShrp | i wish mine was |
| 02:54.22 | Cpuroast | in esxi 5 |
| 02:54.26 | RayzrShrp | it spits writethrough errors |
| 02:54.32 | RayzrShrp | im running workstation 9 |
| 02:54.43 | Cpuroast | ah |
| 02:54.43 | RayzrShrp | oh so runnning baremetal nice |
| 02:54.48 | Cpuroast | they are soon up to 11 |
| 02:54.55 | RayzrShrp | yeah i might upgrade |
| 02:55.03 | RayzrShrp | 250 is steep but its actually worth it |
| 02:55.14 | Cpuroast | 11 is 64bit only |
| 02:55.15 | DrakkenWarr | probably a good idea if you do not have any hardware issues |
| 02:55.15 | Cpuroast | finally |
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| 02:55.30 | RayzrShrp | fine with me Cpuroast |
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| 02:56.02 | Cpuroast | RayzrShrp: oh you mean the hypervisor |
| 02:56.11 | Cpuroast | well esxi is pretty close to baremetal |
| 02:56.23 | Cpuroast | but it's not like running Jessie actually baremetal :) |
| 02:56.25 | RayzrShrp | i thought esxi was baremetal |
| 02:56.28 | gnudna | wonders if init=bin/bash still works under grub ;) |
| 02:56.45 | nicko88 | ive since converted all my linux VMs into containers and its been nice |
| 02:56.47 | Cpuroast | esxi is a stripped down version of Linux with VMware's custom stuff |
| 02:56.49 | DrakkenWarr | esxi is the bare metal vmware solution |
| 02:56.56 | nicko88 | esxi isn't linux anymore |
| 02:56.57 | gnudna | esxi is bare metal |
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| 02:57.07 | Cpuroast | ah right |
| 02:57.14 | Cpuroast | what kernel are they running now |
| 02:57.17 | gnudna | well less linux like i am sure |
| 02:57.31 | RayzrShrp | i have an old xeon server but it wont run exsi |
| 02:57.41 | RayzrShrp | er esxi |
| 02:57.46 | gnudna | so do i but the community has drivers |
| 02:57.50 | nicko88 | esx was linux, but with 4.1 they swiched to esxi with a proprietary kernel |
| 02:57.53 | RayzrShrp | something about not being true 64bit or something |
| 02:57.54 | Cpuroast | The vmkernel is a microkerne |
| 02:57.56 | gnudna | took some work but i got it running |
| 02:57.57 | Cpuroast | ah there we go |
| 02:57.57 | Cpuroast | yah |
| 02:58.06 | RayzrShrp | ok so xorg installed |
| 02:58.12 | RayzrShrp | i just run openbox now |
| 02:58.17 | Cpuroast | The vmkernel is a microkernel[9] with three interfaces: hardware, guest systems, and the service console (Console OS). |
| 02:58.21 | nicko88 | yeah |
| 02:58.45 | nicko88 | but yeah personally i run my liunx vms in LXC now |
| 02:58.49 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: you need an X display before you can run openbox |
| 02:58.52 | gnudna | lxc rocks |
| 02:58.58 | nicko88 | though ive only run debian and ubuntu on a debian host |
| 02:58.59 | Cpuroast | I heard about those |
| 02:59.03 | gnudna | now if the lxc-create would be consistent |
| 02:59.12 | nicko88 | heh yeah i just made templates |
| 02:59.15 | gnudna | makes me a very sad admin |
| 02:59.15 | RayzrShrp | auscompgeek: didnt i install xorg for that |
| 02:59.18 | gnudna | same here |
| 02:59.30 | gnudna | but i would like for it to just work for once |
| 02:59.32 | nicko88 | when i need a new lxc i just extract my template archive |
| 02:59.33 | nicko88 | and there we go |
| 02:59.39 | Cpuroast | how does lxc compare to jails? |
| 02:59.40 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: but you don't have xorg running, so you don't have an X display *yet* |
| 02:59.45 | gnudna | similar |
| 02:59.57 | RayzrShrp | auscompgeek: ok so what else do i need to do |
| 03:00.04 | nicko88 | and i couldnt make an ubuntu lxc on debian so i booted to a live cd of ubuntu, made the ubuntu lxc there and then copied it to my debian host |
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| 03:00.11 | gnudna | RayzrShrp make a .xinitrc in your home directory |
| 03:00.19 | nicko88 | worked perfectly |
| 03:00.33 | auscompgeek | echo "exec openbox-session" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:00.35 | gnudna | nicko88 get more recent templates it works |
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| 03:00.44 | nicko88 | ah |
| 03:00.45 | gnudna | i got ubuntu running |
| 03:00.54 | gnudna | my issue is i would like to get centos running |
| 03:01.02 | gnudna | without spending 2 days debugging it |
| 03:01.07 | Cpuroast | I guess there are pros and cons to full blown VMs and containers/jails |
| 03:01.19 | nicko88 | yeah now i just have a base ubuntu 14.04.1 container in a zip that i can just extract to form a new container when i need |
| 03:01.34 | gnudna | Cpuroast jails/containers are awesome and very likely the future |
| 03:01.39 | nicko88 | there certainly are pros and cons |
| 03:01.49 | nicko88 | but i love how lighweight contaioners are |
| 03:01.55 | nicko88 | my ubuntu containers boot in like 3 seconds |
| 03:02.00 | Cpuroast | only issues with Jails/containers is running Windows servers along side the linux ones |
| 03:02.04 | nicko88 | and there is no ram or cpu provisioning |
| 03:02.07 | nicko88 | which personally i like |
| 03:02.07 | gnudna | wait till a decent hypervisor get intergrated like ubuntu is working on |
| 03:02.14 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: echo "exec openbox-session" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:02.22 | gnudna | my amd dual core has 15 containers running |
| 03:02.22 | RayzrShrp | yep trying it now auscompgeek |
| 03:02.25 | nicko88 | yes i actually run proxmox on my debian for my windows vms |
| 03:02.35 | nicko88 | i can't use openvz though because i dont use the proxmox kernel |
| 03:02.37 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: then just startx |
| 03:02.37 | nicko88 | its way too old |
| 03:02.51 | nicko88 | so i used lxc instead |
| 03:02.53 | RayzrShrp | trying now |
| 03:03.11 | nicko88 | and i use btrfs for things so i use the backported kernel |
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| 03:03.31 | gnudna | zfs is nice |
| 03:03.31 | nicko88 | btrfs for my lxc is awesome :) |
| 03:03.34 | nicko88 | i sue zfs too |
| 03:03.36 | nicko88 | use* |
| 03:03.40 | nicko88 | zfs for my raidz2 |
| 03:03.43 | nicko88 | btrfs for root |
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| 03:03.55 | nicko88 | because im too noob to mess with zfs on root on linux |
| 03:03.58 | RayzrShrp | well that loads a blank desktop |
| 03:04.00 | Cpuroast | I'm building a FreeNAS based NAS |
| 03:04.02 | Cpuroast | at the moment |
| 03:04.11 | gnudna | i ran btrfs for a couple of months but i had higher IO |
| 03:04.14 | auscompgeek | RayzrShrp: that should have openbox running in it |
| 03:04.16 | nicko88 | yeah mydebian is an all in one box |
| 03:04.18 | gnudna | so i went back to xfs for now |
| 03:04.22 | nicko88 | was it on ssd? |
| 03:04.22 | RayzrShrp | auscompgeek: hmmm |
| 03:04.25 | Cpuroast | just waiting for all the components to arrive |
| 03:04.28 | DrakkenWarr | right-lick RayzrShrp |
| 03:04.40 | gnudna | misses openbox |
| 03:04.58 | DrakkenWarr | rocking openbox as we speak! |
| 03:04.59 | Cpuroast | Server grade board and ECC RAM, fun :) |
| 03:05.05 | DrakkenWarr | my fav wm |
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| 03:05.13 | Cpuroast | pricier, but it is ZFS :) |
| 03:05.14 | nicko88 | i just saw that zfs with grub on root looked like a pain so i decided to go with btrfs |
| 03:05.17 | Cpuroast | so lets make it happy |
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| 03:05.38 | nicko88 | and its been great for a year so far |
| 03:05.40 | Cpuroast | nicko88: FreeNAS 9.3 implements ZFS as root |
| 03:05.54 | Cpuroast | which should be released within a week or 2 |
| 03:05.54 | nicko88 | well yes |
| 03:05.54 | gnudna | i have done zfs on root |
| 03:06.03 | nicko88 | ZFS 9on root on BSD and Solaris and illumos is completely fine |
| 03:06.03 | nicko88 | its native |
| 03:06.04 | gnudna | but i will never do that again |
| 03:06.07 | auscompgeek | personally I would've just stuck crunchbang rather than just debian, less painful to set up |
| 03:06.13 | nicko88 | zfs on linux on the other hand is a completely different story |
| 03:06.30 | nicko88 | because its a kernel module |
| 03:06.34 | Cpuroast | right |
| 03:06.54 | nicko88 | and i wanted an all in one box |
| 03:07.09 | ectospasm | auscompgeek: that's a matter of experience. I would be lost on anything but Debian at this point. |
| 03:07.10 | nicko88 | if i used freenas i would have to use the virtualbox template in a jail |
| 03:07.12 | nicko88 | for my vms |
| 03:07.13 | nicko88 | and eh |
| 03:07.20 | nicko88 | im not a huge fan of virtualbox |
| 03:07.24 | Cpuroast | yah I guess |
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| 03:08.04 | nicko88 | so i run debian stable + backported kernel (for btrfs) with manual proxmox install (for non-linux VMs) and LXC for linux containers. |
| 03:08.20 | nicko88 | and everythign is awesome :) |
| 03:08.39 | RayzrShrp | yep i see a menu :) |
| 03:08.46 | DrakkenWarr | you should do a write up on that nicko88 |
| 03:08.46 | RayzrShrp | hmmm still running windowed |
| 03:08.50 | nicko88 | btrfs on root just so i can snapshot before changes and for backups |
| 03:08.57 | nicko88 | so ican backup my os while its running |
| 03:08.59 | RayzrShrp | i know gnome needed the vmware tools installed |
| 03:09.07 | nicko88 | DrakkenWarr, hmm i could |
| 03:09.20 | RayzrShrp | the open-vm-tools never seem to do anything |
| 03:09.20 | DrakkenWarr | just a thought |
| 03:09.38 | nicko88 | im wondering what will happen to proxmox when jessie comes out |
| 03:10.10 | RayzrShrp | interesting, its releasing the mouse like it knows |
| 03:10.16 | nicko88 | i supposed i have no real reason to upgrade to jessie |
| 03:10.28 | nicko88 | i try to keep my debian simple and clean |
| 03:10.35 | nicko88 | all my software goes in vms and containers |
| 03:10.37 | Cpuroast | considering you already have a backported kernel |
| 03:10.44 | Cpuroast | probably not |
| 03:10.52 | Cpuroast | Wheezy is going LTS most likely |
| 03:10.54 | nicko88 | well proxmox installs on wheezy |
| 03:11.02 | nicko88 | you think it would install on jessie all the same? |
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| 03:11.18 | nicko88 | proxmox the distro itself is based on wheezy |
| 03:11.20 | RayzrShrp | so should the reconfigure do something from the right click menu in openbox |
| 03:11.32 | Cpuroast | probably worth doing wheezy-lts for a while |
| 03:11.36 | nicko88 | yeah |
| 03:11.57 | Cpuroast | that way Jessie will mature and stabilize |
| 03:12.00 | Cpuroast | out in the wild |
| 03:12.03 | pingfloyd | nicko88: if you have it virtualized, that's where snapshots come in for testing it out. |
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| 03:12.13 | nicko88 | i already gave up on modern package support for wheezy which is fine thats what myt ubuntu containers are for |
| 03:12.16 | nicko88 | ubuntu ppas and things |
| 03:12.22 | nicko88 | easy bleeding edge softare |
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| 03:13.07 | gnudna | ppa are cool but a major headache at times |
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| 03:13.18 | gnudna | i like my backports |
| 03:13.23 | Cpuroast | why an Ubuntu container and not a testing or unstable container? |
| 03:13.25 | pingfloyd | I don't trust ppas |
| 03:13.27 | gnudna | they have yet to burn me |
| 03:13.29 | nicko88 | yeah with btrfs on root im never afraid to do a dist-upgrade |
| 03:13.41 | pingfloyd | at that point, I'll just build a package myself |
| 03:13.45 | nicko88 | if it doesn't work i can just boot to a usb and roll abck my snapshot |
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| 03:13.53 | gnudna | dist-upgrade is safe ;P |
| 03:14.00 | gnudna | hehe |
| 03:14.04 | Cpuroast | sure it's "safe" |
| 03:14.05 | gnudna | famous last words |
| 03:14.05 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 03:14.15 | DrakkenWarr | lulz |
| 03:14.25 | Cpuroast | I always take a VM snapshot |
| 03:14.28 | nicko88 | i dunno does debian testing have as much package support |
| 03:14.30 | Cpuroast | before |
| 03:14.33 | pingfloyd | in jessie and higher you should be running dist-upgrade regularly |
| 03:14.35 | nicko88 | as ubuntu |
| 03:14.39 | DrakkenWarr | sacrifice some floppy disks first just to be sure |
| 03:14.52 | nicko88 | or debian unstable rather |
| 03:14.57 | nicko88 | since thats basucally ubuntu haha |
| 03:15.01 | Cpuroast | nicko88: yah |
| 03:15.07 | pingfloyd | really you should run it anytime dependencies have changed |
| 03:15.11 | RayzrShrp | ok guys openbox is running but i need a little help setting the resolution |
| 03:15.33 | nicko88 | i mean really i run things like plex, usenet stuff, torrents, teamspeak, stuff like that in my ubuntu and ppas have done me well |
| 03:15.36 | jusss | hi all, what's the name that the software can convert png ? |
| 03:15.39 | DrakkenWarr | arandr RayzrShrp |
| 03:15.43 | gnudna | dist-upgrade is safe unless you change apt settings |
| 03:15.54 | jusss | I got lots of libpng errors |
| 03:16.13 | GeekDude | tekzilla: I think I'm having some success by disabling the connection manager and modifying configs directly. So far it's been pretty stable |
| 03:16.14 | RayzrShrp | DrakkenWarr: i run that from within x? |
| 03:16.21 | nicko88 | hah unless you get too new of a kernel and then your ZFS on Linux wont build |
| 03:16.26 | nicko88 | it only supports 3.17 |
| 03:16.40 | jusss | someone tell me I should convert all png file , but I don't where is the convert in package |
| 03:16.43 | DrakkenWarr | you can right click open a terminal and install it |
| 03:16.57 | nicko88 | i guess debian sid is still on 3.16 |
| 03:17.01 | RayzrShrp | what does arandr do |
| 03:17.04 | DrakkenWarr | setting up openbox from a bare install is time consuming |
| 03:17.21 | gnudna | gnome has grown on me |
| 03:17.29 | DrakkenWarr | it can help set resolutions within the vm instead of manually editing your xorg.conf |
| 03:17.31 | gnudna | there are times i swear openly at it |
| 03:17.31 | RayzrShrp | its just so damn bloated |
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| 03:18.03 | DrakkenWarr | agreed and gnome 3 is just sod awful. |
| 03:18.04 | RayzrShrp | there is so much crap debian installs that i dont even use so learning my way around is overwhelming |
| 03:18.06 | DrakkenWarr | mate is not too bad |
| 03:18.23 | RayzrShrp | id rather add stuff as i go and learn what everything is |
| 03:18.26 | gnudna | i should try mate again |
| 03:18.34 | gnudna | 1.8 was bad for me thought |
| 03:18.36 | RayzrShrp | i totally just saw the cat reading the paper meme |
| 03:18.47 | RayzrShrp | "i should try mate again" |
| 03:18.57 | gnudna | RayzrShrp your going about it wrong |
| 03:19.12 | gnudna | basic debian install a bunch of stuff you do not use yet ;) |
| 03:19.14 | RayzrShrp | gnudna: please elaborate |
| 03:19.22 | gnudna | ^ |
| 03:19.22 | RayzrShrp | lol |
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| 03:19.38 | RayzrShrp | right but debian dektop is TONS of crap |
| 03:19.46 | gnudna | 15 years in and there are always new tools i find |
| 03:19.56 | nicko88 | i installed the xfce version |
| 03:19.57 | DrakkenWarr | you never stop learning with linux |
| 03:19.59 | gnudna | we must be using different debian desktops |
| 03:20.00 | RayzrShrp | i started at a new company and we use a lot of linux |
| 03:20.03 | nicko88 | but i shut it off so it doesn't boot into the gui |
| 03:20.09 | nicko88 | so it doesn't waste resources |
| 03:20.14 | cjohn | hi |
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| 03:20.20 | gnudna | there is gnome-extras which installs games and crap |
| 03:20.25 | RayzrShrp | i should have installed the xfce4 from insall |
| 03:20.37 | gnudna | but basic gnome install is just gedit and and some other tools |
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| 03:20.54 | nicko88 | i jut had to disable lightdm or whatever so the gui doesn't start at boot up |
| 03:21.02 | nicko88 | but i can connect via IPMI and startx when i need rarely |
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| 03:21.19 | gnudna | all can be done with ssh and cli |
| 03:21.21 | RayzrShrp | so here is a question ive always wondered |
| 03:21.26 | gnudna | and that is why linux rocks |
| 03:21.32 | RayzrShrp | i just quit openbox and a bunch of errors showed up |
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| 03:21.37 | DrakkenWarr | damn right gnudna |
| 03:21.39 | RayzrShrp | is that normal or |
| 03:21.40 | DrakkenWarr | always something new |
| 03:21.41 | gnudna | lets hope that does not change till i retire |
| 03:21.50 | RayzrShrp | does windows and stuff just hide all that |
| 03:21.57 | DrakkenWarr | no that is not normal RayzrShrp |
| 03:22.18 | RayzrShrp | bunch of GDXPIX buffer critical |
| 03:22.29 | gnudna | your missing some package |
| 03:22.32 | DrakkenWarr | graphics driver maybe? |
| 03:22.45 | RayzrShrp | assertion something |
| 03:23.18 | RayzrShrp | lots of gdk_pixbuf |
| 03:23.21 | DrakkenWarr | might have to do a bit of duckduckgo searching on that one man |
| 03:23.23 | gnudna | column edit mode in vi is still my fav option i discovered in the last 5 years ;) |
| 03:23.31 | DrakkenWarr | not completely familiar with that error |
| 03:23.41 | RayzrShrp | yeah thats my beef with linux |
| 03:23.44 | DrakkenWarr | I am all about nano :D |
| 03:23.48 | RayzrShrp | you spend hours tracking down some error |
| 03:23.59 | RayzrShrp | only to be told its no big deal |
| 03:23.59 | gnudna | RayzrShrp look at it this way |
| 03:24.00 | DrakkenWarr | it should not take to long with a debian error |
| 03:24.14 | gnudna | one day you will know as much as the guy who just helped you out |
| 03:24.18 | DrakkenWarr | with debian? a lot of obscure stuff is well documented |
| 03:24.22 | RayzrShrp | but is it a debian error or a openbox error or a xorg error |
| 03:24.43 | DrakkenWarr | a quick search with the error and debian in the search string should tell you that pertty quick |
| 03:24.47 | gnudna | RayzrShrp i think your missing some graphic libs |
| 03:24.52 | gnudna | which were optional deps |
| 03:25.03 | DrakkenWarr | what graphics card are you using? |
| 03:25.09 | gnudna | i think i had similar error when i installed openbox the way you are doing it |
| 03:25.29 | RayzrShrp | im using the vmware driver i guess |
| 03:25.37 | RayzrShrp | it looks like its a obconf error |
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| 03:25.44 | RayzrShrp | openbox config i assume |
| 03:25.46 | DrakkenWarr | ah, this is within a vm... that can muck it up a bit |
| 03:25.51 | gnudna | i have gnome3 and openbox as we speak cause openbox has no tools included by default |
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| 03:25.57 | RayzrShrp | obconf.5999 |
| 03:26.09 | gnudna | and i like to use a decent gui for burning dvd/cd |
| 03:26.14 | gnudna | and listening to music |
| 03:26.16 | DrakkenWarr | aye yeah, gonna have to dive in the text config and muck settings out |
| 03:26.24 | DrakkenWarr | open box is perfect for that |
| 03:26.26 | DrakkenWarr | :D |
| 03:26.47 | gnudna | openbox has one major dep |
| 03:26.55 | gnudna | and that is a working web browser |
| 03:26.57 | gnudna | ;) |
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| 03:27.28 | RayzrShrp | so suggestions for browers thats not super bloaty |
| 03:27.30 | RayzrShrp | iceweasel? |
| 03:27.39 | RayzrShrp | chromium? |
| 03:27.47 | RayzrShrp | something ive not heard of |
| 03:28.12 | DrakkenWarr | I have icewea, chromium, chrome and opera installed atm |
| 03:28.29 | gnudna | chromium is ok but do not let it fool you it is also bloated like all other decent browsers |
| 03:28.44 | gnudna | personally i use iceweasel and chromium |
| 03:29.06 | DrakkenWarr | yup you have to way the options. But with open running and ice I still come in at less that 500mg of mem used |
| 03:29.10 | gnudna | if using google apps i use chromium cause for some reason firefox and chat are painful |
| 03:29.16 | gnudna | in google apps anyways |
| 03:29.21 | DrakkenWarr | agreed |
| 03:29.38 | DrakkenWarr | chrome was the easier of the two to get installed for some odd reason |
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| 03:30.14 | gnudna | i like chromium but google chrome is another matter |
| 03:30.16 | RayzrShrp | so does arandr need to be configured? |
| 03:30.33 | DrakkenWarr | no, you should be able to run it from the command line |
| 03:30.33 | RayzrShrp | i installed it but still vmware is showing a windowed desktop |
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| 03:30.52 | gnudna | RayzrShrp did you install vmware-tools? |
| 03:30.57 | RayzrShrp | something in vm-tools is allowing vmware to resize the x screen on the fly |
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| 03:31.16 | DrakkenWarr | oh! yeah! you need to install the vm-tools for debian |
| 03:31.27 | DrakkenWarr | I ran into that problem with ubuntu vm's at my last job |
| 03:31.33 | iateadonut | how can i connect using ssh and not encrypt the traffic? |
| 03:31.48 | gnudna | iateadonut is that a real question? |
| 03:31.56 | ectospasm | iateadonut: try telnet instead |
| 03:31.58 | nicko88 | lol |
| 03:32.03 | gnudna | if so ssh traffic is always encrypted |
| 03:32.09 | DrakkenWarr | telnet! lulz |
| 03:32.11 | ectospasm | though beware if the connection traverses the WAN |
| 03:32.11 | RayzrShrp | gnudna: from apt-get or from vmware |
| 03:32.26 | gnudna | it is the reason for it's existence |
| 03:32.37 | gnudna | telnet will be what you want |
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| 03:32.57 | gnudna | RayzrShrp as far as i know from vmware |
| 03:32.57 | DrakkenWarr | it from vmware |
| 03:33.08 | RayzrShrp | ok |
| 03:33.11 | iateadonut | can telnet run an X program on one computer and show it on the other? |
| 03:33.29 | gnudna | iateadonut seriously nobody uses telnet anymore |
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| 03:33.41 | iateadonut | i have the same problem as this guy: http://membled.com/work/patches/openssh/ |
| 03:33.42 | gnudna | iateadonut ssh does that |
| 03:33.42 | DrakkenWarr | telnet is not secure in any shape or form |
| 03:33.43 | ectospasm | I don't think telnet uses X forwarding |
| 03:33.46 | nicko88 | i sue it to watch star wars |
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| 03:33.50 | nicko88 | use* |
| 03:33.50 | DrakkenWarr | I would really not recommend using it |
| 03:34.09 | nicko88 | telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 03:34.09 | iateadonut | yes, ssh does it, but i'd like it to run faster. the best i can do is use the blowfish cipher, which seems to speed it up quite a bit |
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| 03:34.19 | slowmc | with telnet, you need to redirect the DISPLAY the good "old fashioned" way |
| 03:35.00 | gnudna | iateadonut look into freenx |
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| 03:35.24 | gnudna | has better options for making gui apps work across a network and it is encrypted |
| 03:35.28 | slowmc | agree with gnudna. You can also have a look at x2go |
| 03:35.49 | iateadonut | i'm going to look into using Cipher none in my .ssh/config |
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| 03:36.28 | gnudna | iateadonut that is really like saying im changing my car tires to squares |
| 03:36.56 | gnudna | your going about it the wrong way is what everyone is telling you |
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| 03:39.07 | nicko88 | hey they did it on mythbusters |
| 03:39.27 | nicko88 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7odK55gkI |
| 03:40.11 | gnudna | exactly how i imagined it |
| 03:40.13 | gnudna | nice |
| 03:40.17 | gnudna | hehe |
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| 03:40.29 | DrakkenWarr | facepalm.... |
| 03:40.32 | DrakkenWarr | lulz |
| 03:40.37 | iateadonut | i see. i set compression to 'no' also for this particular connection and am running the blowfish cipher; it's fast enough i guess to use that so i'm using tools i'm familiar with. |
| 03:40.40 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 03:42.42 | gnudna | iateadonut compression in theory reduces the bandwidth but adds more processing power requirement |
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| 03:43.17 | iateadonut | right. i don't think bandwidth is a problem. |
| 03:43.54 | gnudna | if it's local network then no it would not be |
| 03:44.38 | rTypo | my systemd logs do not persist after reboot, i this the default behavior? |
| 03:44.44 | rTypo | trying to change this |
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| 03:45.25 | cjohn | hi |
| 03:45.29 | cjohn | Is there a command for restarting all shells? |
| 03:45.36 | cjohn | there is exec su -l <username> |
| 03:45.42 | cjohn | I don't like that... |
| 03:46.07 | rTypo | e.g. journalctl --list-boots only gives 1 result, always (the last boot) |
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| 03:46.36 | rTypo | i'm running jessie which comes with systemd by default |
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| 03:48.31 | rTypo | hm, maybe i need to edit journald.conf which has no definitions. trying Storage=persistent |
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| 03:49.12 | rTypo | default is Storage=auto. ok, enough talk |
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| 03:53.17 | rTypo | alright, Storage=persistent worked. so easy. i could've just done it and shut up :P |
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| 03:55.18 | gnudna | rTypo thanks for the answer ;) |
| 03:59.58 | rTypo | gnudna: yw :) |
| 04:00.41 | gnudna | :) rTypo i am sure i will encounter this issue in the not too distant future |
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| 04:02.35 | rTypo | gnudna: another thing about this. since the option "auto" is default |
| 04:02.59 | rTypo | gnudna: "auto" = "persistent" except the directory /var/log/journal is not created if needed |
| 04:03.45 | rTypo | i guess there was a problem with the default directory status (maybe it didn't exist) |
| 04:04.07 | gnudna | weird |
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| 04:04.19 | Stevie-O | greetings |
| 04:04.46 | nalley | Hi, I'm trying to install jessie beta2 using a preseed. I have tried multiple tasksel combinations, but the 'laptop' task is always installed. (I'm trying to do a minimal install - no tasks) - Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 04:18.34 | gnudna | k guys have yourselves a good night |
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| 04:20.27 | rTypo | or morning! (6 AM here) :P |
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| 04:25.25 | lozsui | good bye |
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| 04:32.47 | CarlGel | hello, I just had to restore my .config from a backup, and after doing so, my sound card appears to have stopped being picked up? |
| 04:32.54 | CarlGel | or at least, my headphones did |
| 04:33.05 | CarlGel | I'm running debian jessie with xfce4 |
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| 04:34.38 | barfod | did anything change and make this not work the same way any more, or am I just losing my cookies?; debootstrap --include="linux-image-amd64" wheezy primarychroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 04:37.32 | linuxator | is systemd found in debian? |
| 04:37.47 | phy1729 | in Debian 8 |
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| 04:38.30 | linuxator | how to get Debian 8? |
| 04:39.06 | cafuego | Step 1 - wait for the release. |
| 04:39.20 | un214 | Debian 8 is jessie right? |
| 04:39.30 | cafuego | yep |
| 04:39.44 | un214 | I have it now but well the upgrade broke itself 3 times before finishing |
| 04:40.07 | un214 | dependency "hal -> hal -> hal -> hal ..." was an absurd error message |
| 04:40.33 | cafuego | dependency hal. it has a poetic je ne sais quoi |
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| 04:48.28 | barfod | haha it worked. nvm |
| 04:48.39 | barfod | my old buildscripts are still kicking |
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| 05:10.25 | cjohn | Patch [...]patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f) |
| 05:10.27 | cjohn | wtf |
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| 05:19.42 | LanDi | is there any debian arm related channel ? |
| 05:20.32 | RayzrShrp | so frustrating |
| 05:20.52 | RayzrShrp | installed the vmware tools and openbox still wont autosize |
| 05:21.11 | RayzrShrp | something in the gnome desktop is handling this that is not in openbox |
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| 05:21.55 | RayzrShrp | is this some setting im missing in my xinitrc? |
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| 05:31.57 | Simplar_ | Hey guys, can you give me some tip on how can I read about notebook camera drivers on Debian? |
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| 05:32.16 | Simplar_ | I'm sure there was some command in this IRC about it |
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| 05:34.32 | LanDi | hey guys, I'm on bananian...there is no youtube-dl in the repos, can anyone help me ? |
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| 05:36.18 | NiLon | either manually install or add custom repo that will contain it |
| 05:36.22 | beepie | hi |
| 05:36.26 | beepie | anyone use argus? |
| 05:36.37 | beepie | i got a feeling its a broken package but I'm still new to using it |
| 05:36.43 | beepie | nm haha |
| 05:37.09 | LanDi | NiLon: can you link me to that custom repo ? |
| 05:37.33 | NiLon | LanDi um not really, google something like youtube-dl multimedia repo |
| 05:37.38 | Simplar_ | !tell me about camera |
| 05:37.50 | Cassandro | LanDi: you're not trying hard enough. It has its own web page, top hit on google. |
| 05:38.25 | beepie | !:) |
| 05:38.25 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 05:38.47 | beepie | youtube-dl in debian is broken? |
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| 05:39.49 | beepie | guesses http://file2hd.com/ |
| 05:39.51 | beepie | tehe |
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| 05:40.28 | beepie | think im gonna file this bug anyways |
| 05:40.29 | MarvelDigital | so how about that systemd controversy? |
| 05:40.37 | beepie | MarvelDigital, oh shutup |
| 05:40.59 | LanDi | Cassandro: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=youtube-dl |
| 05:41.01 | MarvelDigital | beejee, ok.. sorry |
| 05:41.06 | LanDi | but I'm on weezy |
| 05:41.37 | MarvelDigital | i won't mention anything worth having an intelligent conversation with you ever again beepie |
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| 05:41.46 | beepie | LanDi, there'a website you can save youtube files from, hmm wonder wonders.. |
| 05:41.51 | beepie | LanDi, look above |
| 05:42.14 | LanDi | I want youtube-dl |
| 05:42.26 | LanDi | because I want to use it on my banana pi |
| 05:42.30 | beepie | LanDi, it often does not work well either |
| 05:43.05 | hugbot | if i write a programme to give out periodic hugs in the bash shell, can i submit it for inclusion in debian ? |
| 05:43.32 | Cassandro | youtube-dl breaks every time youtube changes something critical. It's not youtube-dl's fault. But get used to going to the web site for the latest & greatest. |
| 05:44.11 | LanDi | Cassandro: nevermind |
| 05:45.36 | LanDi | Cassandro: there is just 2 repos here |
| 05:45.37 | LanDi | http://pastebin.geany.org/VFJIQ/ |
| 05:45.47 | LanDi | I think i need another one for youtube-dl |
| 05:46.11 | Cassandro | http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html ? |
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| 05:47.10 | Simplar_ | Hello. |
| 05:47.26 | Simplar_ | I have a webcam device identified as 0ac8:c302 |
| 05:47.36 | Simplar_ | How can I find a driver for it? |
| 05:47.58 | LanDi | Cassandro: I want it from some repo |
| 05:48.07 | LanDi | so, would be easy to update |
| 05:48.13 | LanDi | anyways |
| 05:48.14 | beepie | Simplar_, should be on the uvc site http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ |
| 05:48.15 | LanDi | thanks |
| 05:48.58 | beepie | LanDi, you could download the .deb from that search query on debian packages, problem is the python edition in wheezy is probably not up-to-date enough |
| 05:48.59 | Simplar_ | Vega USB 2.0 Camera (Samsung Q45 notebook). |
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| 05:50.02 | Simplar_ | It tells me that Vega USB 2.0 Camera is working on Debian, but my Cheese program cannot find any cam. Why so? |
| 05:50.17 | Cassandro | LanDi: I know, but I only know about this one :-). Also, some versions support 'youtube-dl -U' to self-upgrade. |
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| 05:50.38 | LanDi | Cassandro: i see, I will try it |
| 05:50.40 | LanDi | :) |
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| 05:52.03 | beepie | Simplar_, maybe check /usr/share/doc/cheese , you might need to have something |
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| 05:52.35 | Simplar_ | beepie: it do not work even in Skype, but on Ubuntu it was okay everywhere, hoho |
| 05:52.50 | beepie | Simplar_, no clue. |
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| 05:54.02 | beepie | Simplar_, it might tell of a document to have a user in the video group, other than this you'd have to rtfm |
| 05:54.04 | beepie | !rtfm |
| 05:54.05 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 05:54.05 | beepie | !:) |
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| 06:03.11 | Simplar_ | people around say a lot about some webcams like mine that it can't be seen |
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| 06:24.59 | Simplar_ | you guys have any idea about how can I build 3.17 kernel with uvc? |
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| 06:33.00 | shingouz | Simplar_: before you do anything like that, make sure you are in the video group. if not, add yourself there and re-logon. for the kernel /msg dpkg kernel mantra |
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| 06:35.43 | Simplar_ | shingouz: I am already in video group, so it won't add me |
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| 06:36.22 | shingouz | Simplar_: after you added yourself in that group, you *did* re-logon? |
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| 06:37.19 | Simplar_ | shingouz: when I tried to add myself first time, it said that i am added long time ago ( so there were a lot of relogons ) |
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| 06:38.34 | shingouz | Simplar_: ok. good. does the camera show up on lsusb and is the correct module inserted? check lsmod and dmesg |
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| 06:39.45 | Simplar_ | shingouz: the camera is shown on lsusb as: Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0ac8:c302 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Vega USB 2.0 Camera |
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| 06:40.46 | shingouz | check lsmod next for the driver |
| 06:41.44 | shingouz | lsusb | grep uvc should do the trick |
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| 06:42.39 | Simplar_ | shingouz: http://paste.debian.net/134710/ this is what lsmod outputs |
| 06:43.05 | Simplar_ | shingouz: also, lsusb | grep uvc shows nothing |
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| 06:43.25 | shingouz | lets see... |
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| 06:47.49 | shingouz | i am trying to figure out the name of the module... no such webcam to test it with :) |
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| 06:48.37 | shingouz | Simplar_: ok. modprobe uvcvideo |
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| 06:51.42 | Simplar_ | shingouz: FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found. |
| 06:52.10 | shingouz | Simplar_: uname -a |
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| 06:53.53 | Simplar_ | shingouz: Linux debian 3.14.0 #1 SMP Sun Nov 2 13:05:02 UTC 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:55.09 | Simplar_ | shingouz: though I plan to upgrade to 3.17.4 |
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| 06:57.33 | shingouz | Simplar_: that is strange. this ancient laptop is running a 3.2 and modprobe uvcvideo works. i have a 3.11 sitting right next to this and that works too. i believe there is something else going on. do a locate uvcvideo |
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| 06:59.09 | Simplar_ | shingouz: http://paste.debian.net/134713/ here |
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| 06:59.14 | Simplar_ | now this is totally strange |
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| 07:01.28 | shingouz | Simplar_: it sure is. i have a 3.2.0-1-pae-686 on this one and the same listing. my module works, though. wtf? |
| 07:02.04 | shingouz | eh... -686-pae... whatever |
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| 07:03.15 | Simplar_ | shingouz: should I give you the full lsusb list? |
| 07:04.00 | shingouz | Simplar_: no. try modprobe -r uvcvideo; modprobe uvcvideo; lsmod | grep uvc |
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| 07:04.53 | shingouz | Simplar_: btw you have to be root to do that, of course |
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| 07:05.18 | Simplar_ | shingouz: FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found. ; modprobe uvcvideo ; nothing. |
| 07:05.32 | Simplar_ | By the way, I use root terminal |
| 07:06.01 | Simplar_ | In all cases it gave me FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found. |
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| 07:06.47 | Simplar_ | except the last one which returns nothing |
| 07:07.13 | shingouz | Simplar_: as long as you are root... and in this case i have to go wtf. unless... this 3.2.0-4-686-pae is the kernel you are running right now? |
| 07:07.54 | Simplar_ | This is 3.14 I run right now |
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| 07:09.30 | shingouz | Simplar_: i see... that explains a bit. the 3.14 is a debian kernel? if you boot to the 3.2.0-4-686-pae you should have the camera working |
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| 07:10.16 | Simplar_ | shingouz: can you wait while I reboot? |
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| 07:10.44 | shingouz | Simplar_: sure. can you wait for me to get some coffee? ;) |
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| 07:11.05 | RayzrShrp | so what happens if i install xfce from tasksel but dont check debian desktop environment |
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| 07:11.16 | Simplar | shingouz: I'm here from my server PC now so I won't go on and off in my notebook |
| 07:11.55 | shingouz | RayzrShrp: you get xfce, that takes care of the desktop for you |
| 07:11.56 | RayzrShrp | will it still install X or is debian desktop environment basiclly Xorg |
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| 07:13.05 | shingouz | RayzrShrp: xfce depends on X, therefore it will install X. if not, there is some serious bug sitting somewhere in your install media |
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| 07:13.56 | RayzrShrp | so then what is the debian desktop environment package? |
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| 07:15.24 | Simplar | shingouz: hey, on the old kernel my camera works |
| 07:15.50 | Simplar | shingouz: if I plan to install 3.17.4 but wanna keep my camera working, what should I do then> |
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| 07:24.46 | talin | hello. i just installed kernel 3.16 on debian 7.7 in order to support my wifi card. now i get an error concerning firmware |
| 07:24.55 | talin | not sure what i should get, other than firmware-iwlwifi |
| 07:25.03 | talin | firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7260-10.ucode (-2) |
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| 07:25.09 | talin | in dmesg | grep -i iwl |
| 07:25.11 | Simplar | talin, do you have one of those mediateks? |
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| 07:26.25 | shingouz | Simplar: you are running stable, i believe. do a wheezy-backport kernel on it and you get a 3.16 |
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| 07:26.49 | talin | Simplar: it's an intel 7260 wifi card |
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| 07:27.29 | shingouz | RayzrShrp: not quite sure what it installs, i have not used tasksel for years. i usually install the smallest possible install with the installer and add the needed parts later with apt-get |
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| 07:28.34 | shingouz | !tell Simplar about wheezy-backports |
| 07:28.51 | shingouz | !tell Simplar about bdo kernel |
| 07:28.55 | Simplar | oh wow |
| 07:29.06 | Simplar | how can I upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie? |
| 07:29.17 | Simplar | I didn't even knew Jessie is latest |
| 07:29.46 | shingouz | ,kernel |
| 07:29.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17.0-trunk-686-pae (3.17.4-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 07:30.28 | Simplar | shingouz: look https://www.kernel.org/ |
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| 07:31.15 | shingouz | Simplar: you could conceivably hack your sources.list to point to jessie, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade but if that is your production box, testing is... well... in testing, it might go funky on you |
| 07:31.37 | beepie | testing is fun |
| 07:31.41 | beepie | don't forget |
| 07:32.04 | shingouz | Simplar: go with a debian kernel, it is a lot easier on you unless you really really really need sommehting that is not on anything except the latest kernel version |
| 07:32.59 | Simplar | shingouz: so, 3.17 is available for Wheezy? |
| 07:33.43 | shingouz | Simplar: 3.16 as judd told us as a backport |
| 07:34.13 | Simplar | shingouz: okay, do you know something about MEDIATEK MT7630E wi-fi card? |
| 07:34.43 | shingouz | Simplar: yes i do. it is something i have never used nor seen. is that enough knowledge? |
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| 07:35.23 | shingouz | Simplar: let me guess, you have a problem with that kind of card sitting on your computer? |
| 07:35.26 | Simplar | shingouz: this wifi card has no available driver, actually. It can run on 3.14 kernel, but not on later kernels. |
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| 07:36.04 | Simplar | https://github.com/mdjahidulhamid/MT7630E |
| 07:36.21 | Simplar | this is the driver I've found for it and so it's the only thing i can use |
| 07:36.39 | shingouz | lets see.... |
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| 07:38.16 | shingouz | Simplar: takes a while, i am reading up on that thing. ill be back in a short while |
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| 07:39.47 | Simplar | shingouz: I will be here |
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| 07:48.33 | shingouz | Simplar: after a short check on the install.sh, i get rt2x00. locate rt2x00 spits out multiple hits on my 3.11 sid box. not sure which one to use, though. looks like the frigging thing needs the firmware, too. more reading required. do the check for rt2x00 for the debian kernels on your box while you wait |
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| 07:49.13 | Simplar | shingouz: ok, moment |
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| 07:52.57 | shingouz | Simplar: do an lspci too while you're at it, check for the exact type of the card in question |
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| 07:53.36 | Simplar | shingouz: seems 3.17.4 kernel added support of rt2x00 |
| 07:53.46 | Simplar | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1411.1/02516.html |
| 07:54.13 | Simplar | still looking if it supports mt7630e |
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| 07:54.46 | shingouz | Simplar: looks like 3.11 has it already, ill check the 3.2 |
| 07:56.18 | shingouz | 3.2 has part of the stuff in the github link, 3.11 seems to have it all. now i just try to locate the firmware-thingie on debian. if it is not present there, maybe just inserting the firmware manually would let you run a stock debian kernel |
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| 07:59.18 | Simplar | shingouz: MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter Wireless |
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| 07:59.30 | Simplar | that's what is in lspci |
| 08:00.52 | shingouz | Simplar: when you are running the 3.14, what module do you have... hmm... sec.. i think you already posted the full lsmod.. brb |
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| 08:01.55 | Simplar | shingouz: I need to repost you lsmod since wifi card matter is for another notebook |
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| 08:02.07 | Simplar | Model is ASUS X550CV |
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| 08:03.56 | shingouz | Simplar: ok. install firmware-ralink on the box too, there is hope that includes the correct firmware for a debian kernel. hit me with the lsmod first, though |
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| 08:04.44 | Simplar | shingouz: lsmod is here: http://paste.debian.net/134715/ |
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| 08:05.13 | Simplar | shingouz: can I install firmware-ralink without net connection? |
| 08:05.55 | shingouz | Simplar: not really... looks like that package does not include the correct firmware in anycase. googling continues |
| 08:06.26 | babilen | Simplar: You won't be able to download the package without an internet connection, no. You do, however, appear to be online. |
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| 08:07.09 | babilen | Simplar: That gives you the option of downloading the package from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-ralink and installing that manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/firmware-...deb" |
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| 08:07.39 | babilen | (assuming you are using the backported kernel) |
| 08:07.46 | shingouz | babilen: different box... :) |
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| 08:08.51 | babilen | Simplar: What is the pciid (alphanumerical identifier that looks like [abcd:1234]) at the end of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
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| 08:10.22 | Simplar | babilen: 14c3:7630 |
| 08:10.30 | babilen | judd: pciid 14c3:7630 |
| 08:10.31 | judd | [14c3:7630] is 'MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'MEDIATEK Corp.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14c3:7630 |
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| 08:10.52 | babilen | That doesn't look supported at all |
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| 08:11.36 | babilen | https://github.com/lwfinger/mt7630 |
| 08:12.05 | Simplar | "This version builds under kernels 3.5 - 3.16 (inclusive)." |
| 08:12.08 | Simplar | oh |
| 08:12.19 | Simplar | so it will work under 3.16? |
| 08:13.17 | babilen | yes, but you are using 3.14, aren't you? |
| 08:13.36 | shingouz | babilen: however this https://github.com/mdjahidulhamid/MT7630E has install.sh in it and everything it points to already seems to sit on a 3.11 box. with the exception of the firmware... interesting |
| 08:13.38 | babilen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1220146 (typical Ubuntu bug full of "me too! +1 lolololol", but some information) |
| 08:13.39 | Simplar | babilen: yes, I'm just using a server PC to connect to this irc while notebook's wifi is down. :) |
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| 08:15.23 | babilen | But then, try the firmware. There is no point in not doing that before considering more involved procedures (such as, ultimately, replacing the device) |
| 08:15.29 | shingouz | Simplar: when you are running the kernel that actually can use the wifi, check for the module in use and look into /lib/firmware for the hell of it. the firmware should be sitting there already |
| 08:15.57 | Simplar | shingouz: it can't load on newer kernels but is detected by newer kernels. :\ |
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| 08:16.12 | babilen | What does that mean? |
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| 08:18.43 | Simplar | babilen: that means that new kernels detect these modules of wifi but tell me that it's in wrong kernel format and can't be loaded |
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| 08:19.34 | shingouz | Simplar: does the wifi work with *any* kernel? |
| 08:19.46 | Simplar | shingouz: only with 3.14 |
| 08:20.11 | babilen | Simplar: You should be able to load any module that came with the kernel |
| 08:20.15 | shingouz | Simplar: can you boot on that and do the lsmod on it? |
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| 08:20.33 | shingouz | has a hunch |
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| 08:21.03 | babilen | I mean why would a kernel come with modules that wouldn't work with that kernel version ... I have a feeling that Simplar is not providing sufficient details about the actual problem and steps taken previously to make sense |
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| 08:21.57 | xryz | hi guys, every morning, some of my bnc´s get down for few seconds, i dont know if its a network problem or any problem with my debian, how can i create some log to check if my connection goes down or something? |
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| 08:22.29 | babilen | Simplar: Does "only with 3.14" mean "The wifi adaptor works if I boot into 3.14 as opposed to the normal 3.2 kernel that comes by default with the Debian wheezy I use" ? |
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| 08:23.26 | Simplar | babilen: well, I've pre-compiled the kernel 3.14 from http://kernel.org/ and then I have found the mt7630e driver here: https://github.com/mdjahidulhamid/MT7630E used sudo ./install.sh to install in on 3.14 (it failed to install with default kernel 3.2 which came with debian wheezy). |
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| 08:23.59 | babilen | ... |
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| 08:24.20 | babilen | And you thoguht that it wouldn't make sense to mention that at all? |
| 08:24.51 | Simplar | Pardon me for not specifying that detail, I've got a bit lost when firstly specifying the question. |
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| 08:25.02 | babilen | Anyway, you should/can grab the 3.14 from wheezy-backports and we certainly cannot really support that upstream project. But then: If it work, what is the problem? |
| 08:25.26 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 08:25.26 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 08:25.44 | shingouz | seems like my hunch was wrong. the module required seems to be mt76xx and that is not included in a stock debian kernel. everything else is. let me see what the mt76xxlooks like |
| 08:25.48 | Simplar | babilen: my camera do not work with 3.14 but it'll do with 3.16 or 3.17.4 |
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| 08:30.42 | maziar__ | hi every one, i want litespeed crack |
| 08:30.48 | maziar__ | can you help me ? |
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| 08:31.55 | Skyrider | ello |
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| 08:35.00 | shingouz | Simplar: looks like all the needed code is sitting on the github link. the install.sh and such could be bypassed with a bit of hacking. maybe. or not. |
| 08:35.28 | Simplar | shingouz: how to config it for 3.16? |
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| 08:37.18 | Skyrider | Who knows a good app to sync files 1 way? no rsync, it can't do live syncing. |
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| 08:39.18 | shingouz | Simplar: without actually doing it or reading through all the code at the moment; i would get the sources for the debian 3.16, get the github stuff, then compare the relevant files to see what differences there are. correct as needed. i believe the install.sh has to go, the debian makefiles have to be modified to take mt_linux.c into account. diff, patch, and a shitload of reading. plus the normal debian style kernel or module compile |
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| 08:39.41 | babilen | Simplar: Contact the author of that driver (it claims to work) and, if you value support in here, consider running a supported software stack (i.e. the backported 3.16 kernel in wheezy-backports) |
| 08:39.54 | shingouz | maziar__: litespeed? that is some kind of a game for windows? cracks are not available here |
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| 08:43.31 | maziar__ | shingouz, its a web server , and itw work on debian, and i hear that there is a crack for it on debian |
| 08:43.40 | maziar__ | shingouz, is there any irc for crack |
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| 08:45.29 | shingouz | maziar__: there are quite a lot of webservers on debian as it is, there is no need for some binary blob that needs to be paid for. when it comes to crack, i think you should find it somewhere on the street |
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| 09:24.15 | maziar | Hi,i want to hide my ip on irc info, how could i do that ? |
| 09:24.55 | phy1729 | maziar: use tor |
| 09:25.13 | maziar | is there other solutin |
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| 09:25.17 | maziar | like you |
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| 09:25.32 | maziar | phy1729, i cant see your ip |
| 09:25.38 | maziar | phy1729, do you use tor ? |
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| 09:26.06 | phy1729 | that's off topic for #debian (ask in #freenode) we can keep talking there |
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| 09:32.49 | r3n1c0n | that worked out great changing the port number for ssh |
| 09:33.12 | r3n1c0n | no more brute-force |
| 09:33.43 | ChrisH | r3n1c0n: I cannot confirm _no_ more, but only a few of them |
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| 09:34.14 | r3n1c0n | no brute-force attacks any more* |
| 09:35.26 | xand | now you have a different problem |
| 09:35.35 | r3n1c0n | ? |
| 09:35.56 | xand | bruteforcing ssh isn't an actual problem, but having to remember a different port number is |
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| 09:37.28 | modulus | I'm getting a bad signature on weezy-updates Release. any clue why this is? |
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| 09:40.52 | babilen | modulus: New signing keys, upgrade debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:40.59 | ebfull | is there a way to get hibernation (resume from swap) working _after_ /etc/crypttab / lvscan has done its magic? |
| 09:41.24 | ebfull | i have an encrypted swap partition that exists on another drive |
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| 09:44.29 | modulus | hmm i have 2014.1 |
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| 09:56.34 | ChrisH | ebfull: I do not understand your question. My setup is dmcrypt -> LVM -> lvols (incl. swap) and suspend and hibernate work out of the box |
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| 10:09.07 | ebfull | ChrisH: i installed debian on an SSD, and encrypted swap with hibernation was working fantastic over lvm |
| 10:09.21 | ebfull | ChrisH: but now i want to put the swap disk on my hard disks instead (swap on ssd is a bad idea i guess?) |
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| 10:09.41 | ebfull | ChrisH: but my other hard disk is decrypted with a keyfile from /etc/crypttab |
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| 10:10.21 | bw_ | hi, i'm using spamassassine on squeeze-lts, it seems /etc/spamassassine/local.cf gets read before the rules in /var/lib/spamassassine thus the settings are overwritten, any ideas howto fixed that? |
| 10:10.21 | ChrisH | ebfull: my experience with ssd is limited, but why would swap on a slower disk be a better idea? |
| 10:10.22 | ebfull | ChrisH: wherever the 'resume' stuff is done in initramfs-tools, it happens before the crypttab stuff happens |
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| 10:11.22 | ebfull | ChrisH: i'm concerned about the lifetime of the ssd |
| 10:11.57 | ChrisH | ebfull: then replace the ssd with a spinning disk.... |
| 10:12.00 | ebfull | maybe it's an outdated concern |
| 10:12.17 | ebfull | well obviously i don't want to do that to everything, just swap since it might be write intensive sometimes |
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| 10:13.41 | ChrisH | ebfull: I would expecte /var/log haveing more writes then swap. check free -m |
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| 10:29.09 | alistair | I've just removed systemd and my system now boots fine. Thank goodness for that! |
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| 10:45.38 | Dimonax | sudo apt-get libx11-6:i386 Should install the 32bit X11 libs, right? |
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| 10:50.03 | auscompgeek | Dimonax: you forgot to tell apt-get to install; it has no idea how to libx11-6:i386 |
| 10:50.36 | shingouz | apt-get install libx11-6 |
| 10:51.01 | shingouz | however, if you install X on the thing, apt should pull in all the necessary stuff for you |
| 10:51.04 | psiklops | hi. what do i need to play .opus files ? |
| 10:51.09 | Dimonax | Typo....I got it now. Forgot to add i386 arch and then update. |
| 10:51.16 | shingouz | !install x |
| 10:51.16 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 10:51.41 | Dimonax | I got the 64bit stuff running fine.. |
| 10:51.52 | Dimonax | Just doing some multiarch stuff now. |
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| 10:52.36 | Dimonax | Got it! |
| 10:52.39 | olivier_bK | hy |
| 10:53.07 | olivier_bK | hy i try to create a bridge in my linux but i dont understand why, when i restart the network " bro " dont get the ip@ ? |
| 10:53.14 | olivier_bK | https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/a11e1208ce249fc599bb |
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| 11:13.08 | ShiroNeko | hello, i have seen handbrake 0.10.0 is in deb multimedia sid, if i add sid to my sources.list i cannot install handbrake because of some depencies. any other possibilities to get handbrake 0.10 on debian wheezy? |
| 11:14.23 | shingouz | ,v handbrake |
| 11:14.24 | judd | Package: handbrake on i386 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; sid: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; experimental: 0.10.0+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.0-dmo2 |
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| 11:15.27 | shingouz | ShiroNeko: not quite yet (unless you want to do the porting yourself). are there any serious differences in anycase? |
| 11:16.14 | shingouz | ShiroNeko: if you just add sid to your sources, you will end up with a disaster... pinning *might* be useful if you really know what you are doing |
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| 11:17.13 | shingouz | !tell ShiroNeko about backports |
| 11:17.20 | shingouz | !tell ShiroNeko about simple sid backport |
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| 11:29.17 | newbsduser | hello, guys i need an encryption support compression tool. it should compress like gzip but with a public key (for compression only). and i want to extract the file with a private key (stored on another machine). public key should not used for extraction. (compression only)... is there a tool which can be used for that purpose? |
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| 11:36.28 | ChrisH | openssl |
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| 11:36.46 | ChrisH | gzip and then openssl |
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| 11:47.04 | ShiroNeko | thanks shingouz |
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| 12:01.13 | critias | in Proftpd, I set rootlogin Off in config. but filezilla permits me to log in as root. How can I really disable root login? |
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| 12:29.41 | shingouz | critias: not sure as i do not have it installed anywhere. just as a thought, you edited the rootlogin in the config. did you remember to restart the daemon (or at least let it read the modified config)? |
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| 12:30.43 | frankjh | Hi, I did yesterday an update of my debian/jessie notebook and now it does not boot cleanly. It fails to open the second encrypted lvm volume. |
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| 12:43.32 | critias | shingouz: yes I did. |
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| 12:52.40 | zyk | hello guys |
| 12:53.43 | zyk | anyone able to help with a strange udev related problem? dev/by-uuid/ is not present at all when booting up, so my root (which is defined by UUID) cannot be found |
| 12:53.54 | zyk | and i get dropped to the busybox |
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| 12:54.25 | equex | you sure the disk isnt corrupt? |
| 12:54.37 | equex | dropped to busybox is never good |
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| 12:54.47 | zyk | checking /dev there reveals that only by-id and by-path are there |
| 12:54.48 | zyk | yes |
| 12:54.55 | zyk | @equex |
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| 12:55.09 | zyk | the funny thing is: when i use /dev/sdx in the fstab it works |
| 12:55.24 | zyk | to me it looks like by-uuid just isnt populated in the initramfs |
| 12:55.30 | zyk | using whzeey |
| 12:55.31 | equex | strange |
| 12:55.50 | zyk | yes and horrible to debug |
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| 12:56.15 | equex | there must be a way to repopulate by-uuid |
| 12:56.23 | equex | but how the hell did it happen, is the question |
| 12:56.23 | zyk | is there any way to trigger creation of by-uuid via udevd? or udevadm |
| 12:56.24 | equex | hehe |
| 12:56.27 | zyk | yes |
| 12:56.28 | zyk | heh |
| 12:56.30 | zyk | same idea :-) |
| 12:56.48 | zyk | to make this even more odd: |
| 12:56.55 | zyk | blkid in initramfs shows the UUIDS |
| 12:57.21 | zyk | i setup a second system to reproduce the error.. no luck.. so i went for a thrid one |
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| 12:57.55 | zyk | there i could reproduce the error after a while (changing from /dev/sdx to UUID and vice versa @fstab) and updating initramfs |
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| 12:58.50 | zyk | i tried with rootdelay (idea was that maybe by-uuid just wasnt populated) |
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| 12:58.57 | zyk | which didnt help either |
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| 13:00.59 | zyk | any other ideas? |
| 13:01.13 | zyk | or a way to manually repopulate by-uuid? |
| 13:01.22 | mietek | Is there a tool which, given a name such as libpng, would output the name of the right package to install, such as libpng12-dev on Ubuntu 14.04? |
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| 13:01.43 | mietek | I know about apt-file, but searching for libfoo.a does not give unambiguous results. |
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| 13:07.01 | Bugson | guys how to use vim.nox instead vim when I type vim, I need vim with compiled with python+ but I don't want to click vim.nox everytime |
| 13:07.33 | Bugson | not click but type, sorry for my poor english |
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| 13:07.53 | olivier_bK | i try to create a bridge in my linux but i dont understand why, when i restart the network " bro " dont get the ip@ ? |
| 13:07.55 | olivier_bK | https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/a11e1208ce249fc599bb |
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| 13:09.35 | karimb | olivier_bK, as per the doc it should rather be iface eth0 inet manual |
| 13:10.28 | olivier_bK | karimb, i going to try that |
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| 13:10.55 | petn-randall | olivier_bK: "ip add" doesn't have anything to do with /etc/network/interfaces. On reboot, you should have a bridge br0 containing eth0, and an DHCP lease on br0. |
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| 13:11.16 | tomodachi | im about to switch an application from debian *stable* and use it from the wheezy backports repo |
| 13:11.17 | petn-randall | olivier_bK: /etc/network/interfaces is the config file to ifup/ifdown. |
| 13:11.23 | ShiroNeko | is there any difference in iface inet static and iface inet manual? |
| 13:11.25 | tomodachi | should i purge it , or will it be done automatically? |
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| 13:12.16 | myghty | hey gys :) |
| 13:12.21 | myghty | *guys |
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| 13:12.38 | nkuttler | tomodachi: no, it won't. why do you want to purge it though? |
| 13:13.09 | myghty | I got a small problem.... I am running debian wheezy and have a hd5770 installed. The fglrx driver is running smoothley except that I am not able to connect multiple monitors |
| 13:13.19 | nkuttler | ShiroNeko: see man 5 interfaces |
| 13:13.19 | petn-randall | ShiroNeko: That is a question that is excellently covered by the man page. |
| 13:13.22 | myghty | all I found on google was, that I need the catalyst controle center |
| 13:14.01 | tomodachi | nkuttler: well remove at least, im afraid there might be some conflict |
| 13:14.13 | petn-randall | tomodachi: You should only upgrade it. The old one will be replaced by the newer version, and the config retained. |
| 13:14.25 | myghty | is it just a gnome 3 probem? or a general fglrx problem? |
| 13:14.35 | tomodachi | petn-randall: thanx exactly what i wanted to know, thanks! |
| 13:15.09 | tomodachi | petn-randall: will all packages automatically be taken in from backports? i only want a specific one |
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| 13:15.37 | petn-randall | myghty: Any non-free driver will be rather poorly integrated. What happens if you try to connect a 2nd monitor and expand the desktop to that? |
| 13:16.03 | myghty | petn-randall: it just mirrors the desktop |
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| 13:16.23 | myghty | any other option is not allowed because of the virtual space which is not big enough |
| 13:16.40 | petn-randall | tomodachi: No, only the one you told to upgrade, and possibly any newer packages it needs to work (which are in 95% of the cases none). |
| 13:16.42 | myghty | I tried to use the standard driver but then my third screen was just blurry and totally unusable |
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| 13:17.08 | petn-randall | myghty: Sounds like a limitation of the driver. |
| 13:17.13 | olivier_bK | petn-randall, what i write in my network/interface is https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/ffdd21592280f9e4dd83 |
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| 13:17.28 | olivier_bK | with this config i cant ping google since server |
| 13:17.54 | petn-randall | olivier_bK: What does 'brctl show' and 'ip addr' say? |
| 13:17.56 | myghty | hm... strange that the default once don't work, in ubuntu they did and afaik they are no different from each other |
| 13:18.00 | myghty | same for fglrx |
| 13:18.08 | myghty | *ones |
| 13:18.13 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 13:18.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:18.31 | myghty | oh jeah, sorry. |
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| 13:19.22 | olivier_bK | petn-randall, if i try without # |
| 13:19.23 | olivier_bK | i get |
| 13:19.25 | olivier_bK | https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/7ccb961a607b9ae89127 |
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| 13:21.28 | ychaouche | Hello |
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| 13:23.35 | Bugson | how can I manage sensibles? |
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| 13:29.22 | myghty | petn-randall: I made it work :) |
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| 13:30.13 | MadHatter42 | anyone installed libvirt in debian ? |
| 13:30.25 | myghty | I just entered the maximum resolution of all 3 displays together into xorg.conf that wored great |
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| 13:31.59 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: why do you ask? |
| 13:32.20 | MadHatter42 | nkuttler, i just installed qemu on a debian 7 |
| 13:32.31 | MadHatter42 | and the libvirt-bin deamon is started |
| 13:32.39 | MadHatter42 | but when i connect via virt-manager through ssh |
| 13:32.50 | MadHatter42 | it says no hypervisor options were found |
| 13:33.03 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: can you run virt-manager locally? |
| 13:33.30 | MadHatter42 | root@stargate:~# virsh list |
| 13:33.30 | MadHatter42 | error: Failed to reconnect to the hypervisor |
| 13:33.30 | MadHatter42 | error: no valid connection |
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| 13:34.11 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: stargate is the host where you install the daemon, right? |
| 13:34.20 | MadHatter42 | yes |
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| 13:34.25 | petn-randall | myghty: Nice. What did you need to do? |
| 13:34.46 | MadHatter42 | nkuttler, its the first i tried it in debian |
| 13:34.57 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: no idea tbh, has always just worked for me |
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| 13:35.20 | MadHatter42 | yeah well, i've installed in an ubuntu server some weeks ago and it just worked |
| 13:35.25 | myghty | petn-randall: in the screen section I just added the line Modes "1920x1080" Virtual 5760 5760 |
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| 13:35.35 | MadHatter42 | evethough the virtualization was software (qemu) |
| 13:35.44 | ychaouche | Console says I have mail but when I type mail it says command not found. How is that possible ? |
| 13:35.52 | MadHatter42 | nkuttler, i can connect via virt manager |
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| 13:35.57 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: heh |
| 13:35.58 | MadHatter42 | but i cant create machines |
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| 13:36.25 | MadHatter42 | nkuttler, any ideas how to troubleshoot that in debian ? |
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| 13:37.49 | ychaouche | oh, apparently I have to use heirloom-mailx |
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| 13:38.36 | petn-randall | ychaouche: How does the "console say I have mail"? |
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| 13:39.40 | wald0 | how much useful is the package laptop-mode-tools at today's ? |
| 13:39.43 | ychaouche | petn-randall: it simply writes "You have new mail." |
| 13:39.45 | wald0 | i have used it in the past but years years ago |
| 13:40.00 | wald0 | dont know how much the OS & kernel improved to not need it -at-all- |
| 13:40.45 | cacaphony | When I insert a FAT32 USB stick, it gets mounted automatically, but only the root user has write permission. How can I allow write permission to every user? |
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| 13:42.36 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: i'd probably ask in #libvirt |
| 13:42.46 | MadHatter42 | done that |
| 13:42.51 | MadHatter42 | no one seems to ping.. |
| 13:42.57 | ychaouche | petn-randall: line 11 https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/48748fb771db2ca6e41a#file-gistfile1-txt-L11 |
| 13:43.03 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: the official channel seems to be on oftc |
| 13:43.17 | MadHatter42 | nkuttler, i tweaked the config |
| 13:43.19 | MadHatter42 | and i get this |
| 13:43.20 | MadHatter42 | root@stargate:~# virsh list |
| 13:43.20 | MadHatter42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.20 | MadHatter42 | ---------------------------------------------------- |
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| 13:43.41 | petn-randall | ychaouche: That only checks if you mbox has a new mail file lying there. It doesn't say that you have a mail program installed. 'mail' as the executable is only used to *send* mail. To read mail you need something like mutt, or an IMAP server and a client. |
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| 13:44.01 | petn-randall | MadHatter42: DON'T paste into the channel. Read the /topic. |
| 13:44.12 | ychaouche | petn-randall: I used to read mail with the mail command. |
| 13:44.15 | MadHatter42 | petn-randall, ok |
| 13:44.20 | nkuttler | MadHatter42: should that print a list of virtual machines? it's empty for me as well. and yes, pastebin |
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| 13:44.37 | nkuttler | oh wait, no, os reinstall. i have no vms indeed |
| 13:44.42 | petn-randall | ychaouche: oh wait, 'mail' actually does read mail, sorry. |
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| 13:46.05 | ychaouche | Is it possible to change the system's language on one console only ? |
| 13:46.20 | ychaouche | I tried to set LC_ALL it gave errors. |
| 13:46.35 | nkuttler | and those errors were... ? |
| 13:46.40 | petn-randall | !tell ychaouche -about locales |
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| 13:48.31 | ychaouche | nkuttler: bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8) |
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| 13:49.30 | ychaouche | oh |
| 13:49.32 | ychaouche | now it worked |
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| 13:49.54 | ychaouche | maybe I tried to export that before doing dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 13:50.33 | ychaouche | Perfect |
| 13:50.43 | ychaouche | I just have to export LC_ALL then |
| 13:50.55 | ychaouche | thanks all |
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| 13:52.09 | finch_ | Hello, If I create the LV raid1, how do I determine or/and ensure both parts of the mirror are on different/selected PVs? |
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| 13:53.04 | frostschutz | finch_, lsblk might show it, or lvs -o +devices |
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| 13:53.51 | frostschutz | finch_, and I don't think lvm allows same disk raid by default, so there shouldn't be much to worry about |
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| 13:55.06 | finch_ | frostschutz: Its just I have a 4TB WD Red and 2x3TB Toshiba drives, I just wanted to create a 500GB volume that was mirrored and safe (for documents) and use the rest for media storage. Does that a good use scenario? |
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| 13:55.31 | finch_ | s/Does that/Does that seem like/ |
| 13:55.51 | frostschutz | finch_, dunno; for raid I prefer mdadm, and lvm on top of that |
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| 13:56.40 | frostschutz | finch_, raid is nice in that you can just pop a new hdd in whenever one dies; you still need a backup though |
| 13:56.58 | hikenboot_ | hi, had an idea! Is there anyway to mount a remote hard drive as if it was local (the raw drive) so that one could use fdisk on the drive? |
| 13:57.13 | frostschutz | hikenboot_, iscsi, nbd, ...? |
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| 13:58.17 | hikenboot_ | iscsi doesnt give you access to the raw disk does it? I know its scsi commands over ip but would you be able to operate on the raw disk over it? |
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| 14:00.12 | hikenboot_ | nbd thanks frostschutz ! |
| 14:00.12 | hikenboot_ | it looks like it is possible! |
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| 14:04.18 | hikenboot_ | only problem with nbd is it creates a temporary file system on the remote drive. it does not appear to allow you to operate on that drive at a low level |
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| 14:04.30 | hikenboot_ | fdisk and partitioning and such |
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| 14:19.17 | frostschutz | hikenboot_, not sure where you get such ideas, nbd does not do anything like that at all |
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| 14:32.21 | Sander^_ | How do I resolve this?: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. |
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| 14:33.04 | ChrisH | Sander^_: modprobe nfs ??? |
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| 14:33.33 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: didnt help. |
| 14:33.54 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: i've compiled the kernel myself.. Maybe I need to add the module? |
| 14:34.15 | Sander^_ | What's the module's name? |
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| 14:35.00 | ChrisH | Sander^_: the question is why would someone compile a kernel these days? |
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| 14:39.56 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: as the distro I'm using dosnt have any recent kernel. so I compiled 2.6.32. But now it seems like the nfs module is loaded. How come I still get the same error: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel.: |
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| 14:40.29 | ChrisH | Sander^_: so what Distro are you using? |
| 14:40.32 | Sander^_ | I actually checked now.. and nfs is added as a module. |
| 14:40.42 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: debian etch. |
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| 14:41.51 | ChrisH | Sander^_: then I would suggest to upgrade to a supproted version |
| 14:42.15 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: first I need nfs working.. i'm in the process of upgrading. |
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| 14:43.51 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: do you know why nfs stopped working when I upgraded the kernel from 2.6.18 to .32? |
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| 14:44.49 | Sander^_ | ChrisH: lsmod | grep nfs | awk '{print $1}' | xargs echo gives: nfs nfsd lockd nfs_acl auth_rpcgss sunrpc exportfs |
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| 14:50.36 | petn-randall | Sander^_: Etch is out of support for ages, and it actually baffles me that it even boots with 2.6.32. Since this is unchartered territory, probably nobody will be able to help you. |
| 14:51.00 | cacaphony | What program / daemon does Debian Jessie by default use to automount USB drives? |
| 14:51.16 | petn-randall | Sander^_: Just for reference, etch has be out of support for 5 years now in February. |
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| 14:58.18 | jelly | Sander^_: nfs kernel module check in the init script needs to be fixed or commented out |
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| 14:59.09 | jelly | if I remember correctly |
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| 15:00.46 | jelly | petn-randall: kernels basically have to be backward compatible forever, so why wouldn't it boot |
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| 15:04.54 | jelly | Sander^_: it's sometimes useful to google for the exact error message and site:bugs.debian.org, https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Not+starting+NFS+kernel+daemon:+no+support+in+current+kernel.%22+site:bugs.debian.org |
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| 15:13.07 | petn-randall | jelly: initrd/initramfs being one. |
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| 15:15.35 | Sander^_ | jelly: Brilliant. Now it works:) |
| 15:16.25 | Sander^_ | jelly: nice, didnt knew about how to search that bugtracker. |
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| 15:32.32 | elfranne | I am looking for some good advices as a system admin on how to manage software installed from source |
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| 15:32.59 | petn-randall | Hi elfranne |
| 15:33.06 | petn-randall | !tell elfranne -about checkinstall |
| 15:33.09 | petn-randall | !tell elfranne -about stow |
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| 15:34.42 | petn-randall | Hey everyone, where is the _netdev option for /etc/fstab documented in? The obvious choices, man fstab/nfs don't cover it. |
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| 15:38.05 | jordanm | petn-randall: probably in the manpage for the relevant filesystem |
| 15:38.59 | jordanm | petn-randall: ah, looks like it's documented in mount(8) |
| 15:40.57 | petn-randall | jordanm: Ah, didn't check that. Though it makes little sense there, IMO. |
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| 15:41.53 | jordanm | petn-randall: "For documentation on the available mount options, see mount(8)." is in the fstab manpage |
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| 15:54.45 | cjohn | hji |
| 15:54.47 | cjohn | hi |
| 15:55.02 | cjohn | Patch [...].patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f) |
| 15:55.08 | cjohn | during debuild -uc -us -S |
| 15:55.10 | cjohn | wtf |
| 15:56.21 | petn-randall | cjohn: Yes. No. Maybe? |
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| 15:56.50 | cjohn | petn-randall: how does this happen? |
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| 15:57.55 | cjohn | I mean, I imported that quilt patch sucessfully, why does it fail during source package build?! |
| 15:58.39 | mosez_ | ok i think i will drop debian 7.x from my docker container list -.- redis is not installable like i need it... |
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| 16:12.27 | topi` | hmm, why's it so that my rc.local isn't being run any longer? isn't systemd supposed to run it after all others? |
| 16:12.39 | petn-randall | cjohn: If it's a Debian package you're trying to build, you can ask on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. You should add more details though for someone to answer that question. |
| 16:13.09 | topi` | I put some customizations in rc.local and it worked up to the point when I had a messup with some packages and needed to re-create symlink /lib/systemd/systemd -> /sbin/init manually... |
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| 16:13.38 | petn-randall | mosez_: If you actually want to fix that, ask an actual question when you're ready. |
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| 16:13.48 | micechal_ | if a file has permissions 775, does it mean that any user can read and execute it? |
| 16:14.05 | ChrisH | micechal_: yes. |
| 16:14.14 | micechal_ | asking because I've got a bunch of files with either 755 or 775 permissions |
| 16:14.20 | micechal_ | and my "nginx" user can not read them |
| 16:15.02 | cjohn | petn-randall: nobody there :( |
| 16:15.05 | micechal_ | ChrisH: do you know what could be the case the files can't be accessed then? |
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| 16:16.05 | petn-randall | cjohn: I'm currently looking at 301 nicks in that channel. |
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| 16:16.58 | cjohn | petn-randall: very interesting, isn't it? they are listed, but they aren't there. |
| 16:17.18 | micechal_ | I can see 1609 users in this channel |
| 16:17.41 | EdePopede | sees 1611.. 160 atm |
| 16:17.53 | EdePopede | oh, i have join+part off |
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| 16:19.51 | mosez_ | petn-randall: already did it twice since yesterday :) currently it seems to be not possible to install redis-server and redis-tools at once on wheezy. it errors out with "redis-tools : Breaks: redis-server (< 2:2.6.16-1) but 2:2.4.14-1 is to be installed" |
| 16:20.03 | mosez_ | but i need redis-server and redis-cli within my container :( |
| 16:20.11 | petn-randall | ,v redis-tools |
| 16:20.12 | judd | Package: redis-tools on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.17-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.8.17-1; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1 |
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| 16:20.19 | petn-randall | ,v redis-server |
| 16:20.20 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.15-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.17-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.8.17-1; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1 |
| 16:21.15 | petn-randall | mosez_: Looks like you've added non-Debian repositories, and broke your installation. |
| 16:21.37 | mosez_ | https://github.com/dockitapp/dockit-plugin-single-redis/blob/master/docker/debian/7.x/install.sh#L11-L28 |
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| 16:22.04 | mosez_ | wheezy, updates and backports, nothing more :( |
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| 16:23.03 | EdePopede | well, hello. i just come over from #httpd while on my way to install some stuff on top of my apache (including php+mediawiki, as the latter one i will get from their hp). wiki on top of php on top of apache (with 4 modules to my choice is quite a bit of dependancy hassle). what would be the prefered install order? i have mpm-worker, but php5 wants of either libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5filter (requiring m |
| 16:23.03 | EdePopede | pm-prefork or mpm-itk) or php5-cgi | php5-fpm. i was told to use fpm, since it would be state of the art or so. no problem. |
| 16:23.41 | petn-randall | mosez_: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy redis-tools; apt-cache policy redis-server' |
| 16:23.52 | petn-randall | mosez_: → http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:24.23 | marioxcc | Hello. What command can I use to figure which driver my keyboard and my mouse are using? |
| 16:25.03 | marioxcc | I can't identify them through lspci or lsusb (they're not marked as such) |
| 16:25.31 | petn-randall | marioxcc: What is the actual problem you're trying to solve? |
| 16:26.05 | marioxcc | petn-randall: The one I asked for, that I haven't figured how to get this information. |
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| 16:26.22 | petn-randall | marioxcc: Are they USB? |
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| 16:27.31 | marioxcc | petn-randall: I'm not sure what the logical interface is. They're attached directly to the computer (It's a laptop). |
| 16:27.37 | ChrisH | micechal_: define "cannot be accessed" read/execute? what errors? |
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| 16:28.02 | micechal_ | ChrisH: http://hastebin.com/jadirisido.txt |
| 16:28.06 | micechal_ | at the bottom is an entry |
| 16:28.11 | micechal_ | from nginx error.log |
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| 16:28.36 | petn-randall | marioxcc: The keyboard will likely be using a generic HID kernel module, and the mouse likely, too. |
| 16:29.16 | marioxcc | petn-randall: I see, how can I tell for sure and how can I get more information about them (E.g: something like lspci displays) |
| 16:29.18 | marioxcc | ? |
| 16:29.26 | petn-randall | marioxcc: You can probably search through /var/log/kern.log to find which driver got loaded. |
| 16:29.43 | petn-randall | !tell marioxcc -about xy |
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| 16:30.24 | ChrisH | micechal_: please add ls -ld / /usr/share/html/zasoby/admin/client/admin_ACL.lua |
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| 16:32.05 | micechal_ | http://hastebin.com/uyajalixem.txt at the bottom |
| 16:32.07 | mosez_ | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/tboerger/eb9a51bfebe0186a6bef |
| 16:34.15 | ChrisH | micechal_: strange. su - nginxUser and test cat /usr/share/html/zasoby/admin/client/admin_ACL.lua |
| 16:34.21 | petn-randall | mosez_: Oh, you probably trying to install the redis-tools from backports, but the redis-server from main. That combination doesn't work, you need to install both from backports. |
| 16:34.34 | petn-randall | mosez_: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports redis-tools redis-server |
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| 16:35.31 | mosez_ | petn-randall: thanks, i will give it a try. as you can see on my github repo i have not defined any repo |
| 16:35.32 | micechal_ | ChrisH: is "sudo -u nginx cat /usr/share/html/zasoby/admin/client/admin_ACL.lua" an equivalent? |
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| 16:36.52 | ChrisH | micechal_: can't you do a su - nginx ? |
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| 16:37.20 | micechal_ | it doesn't seem to work |
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| 16:37.31 | micechal_ | http://hastebin.com/yafebatimo.py |
| 16:38.19 | ChrisH | su - nginx -s /bin/bash |
| 16:39.18 | micechal_ | Chrish: http://hastebin.com/uxikofomat.txt |
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| 16:41.16 | mosez_ | petn-randall: thanks, now it seems to work |
| 16:41.57 | petn-randall | mosez_: Cool, you're welcome :) |
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| 16:42.37 | ChrisH | micechal_: ls -ld /home/mtasa/mods/deathmatch/resource-cache/http-client-files /home/mtasa/mods/deathmatch/resource-cache/ /home/mtasa/mods/deathmatch/ /home/mtasa/mods/ /home/mtasa/ /home/ |
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| 16:43.34 | micechal_ | ChrisH: still as nginx user? |
| 16:44.02 | ChrisH | micechal_: yes, but that does not matter |
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| 16:44.36 | micechal_ | http://hastebin.com/gasonocuqo.txt |
| 16:44.45 | micechal_ | I thought a symlink would work like an actual directory |
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| 16:47.11 | ChrisH | micechal_: Lines 88-92 explain it. From my understanding there is g+x needed |
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| 16:47.35 | micechal_ | Chrish: why g? |
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| 16:48.32 | ChrisH | micechal_: o+x of course |
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| 16:49.29 | micechal_ | I did "chmod +x" and the directories |
| 16:49.37 | micechal_ | seems to work properly now |
| 16:49.42 | micechal_ | thank you :) |
| 16:50.06 | micechal_ | but do you know what permissions will all the new files created there have? |
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| 16:50.32 | micechal_ | that is by the mtasa server |
| 16:50.44 | micechal_ | or I'll just have to wait and see |
| 16:50.53 | Hell-Razor | hey fellas |
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| 16:51.28 | ChrisH | micechal_: sit and wait is easier |
| 16:52.10 | micechal_ | either way thanks for helping me |
| 16:52.34 | EdePopede | is there an extra channel for aptitude? |
| 16:52.35 | ChrisH | micechal_: YW |
| 16:52.44 | micechal_ | as I said, I thought the files in a symlinked directory are checked against the permissions of the symlink itself and parent directories |
| 16:53.02 | Pegasus_RPG | Is anyone here familiar with the Request Tracker package? |
| 16:53.21 | Hell-Razor | I just installed debian 7.7.0, it gave me an error about not having non paid firmware or something like that for my wireless nic. So I just ran a cable from my router to my machine and installed the firmware from one of the debian ftp servers. I thought I did everything correctly but when I rebooted I just get a message the firmware failed to load - any suggestions to get past the issue? its the rt2561s.bin |
| 16:53.52 | Pegasus_RPG | It's written in Perl and I'm trying to make a multi-tenant setup out of it, but its cron jobs assume a single config file. I need to find out where and how I can override which config file is searched in the Perl code |
| 16:54.27 | Hell-Razor | (its just a repeating message "rt61pci [device location]: firmware: failed to load rt2561s.bin (-2)") |
| 16:54.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Hell-Razor: that usually means it's the wrong firmware for the device |
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| 16:55.03 | Pegasus_RPG | or it already has something loaded |
| 16:55.18 | Hell-Razor | Pegasus_RPG: makes sense lol... im assuming now i have to somehow boot back to the cd and fix it? |
| 16:55.49 | Hell-Razor | I used debian 7.6 I believe about 6 ish months ago and never had this issue |
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| 16:56.50 | wols | Hell-Razor: you don't need to reboot at all to fix it, provided you find the proper firmware. what is the PCI or USB ID of the device? |
| 16:56.51 | Pegasus_RPG | no you can use your system as installed, you just won't have wireless |
| 16:57.00 | ChrisH | Hell-Razor: firmware-ralink: /lib/firmware/rt2561s.bin |
| 16:57.15 | Hell-Razor | ChrisH: thats the firmware it is failing to load |
| 16:57.25 | Hell-Razor | Pegasus_RPG: the system wont boot |
| 16:57.29 | ChrisH | Hell-Razor: is that package installed? |
| 16:57.39 | Hell-Razor | ChrisH: thats what i installed |
| 16:57.47 | wols | Hell-Razor: debian won't stop booting when wlan is not present |
| 16:57.57 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah sounds like you have another problem |
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| 16:57.59 | wols | debian doesn't care about your wlan at all |
| 16:58.20 | Hell-Razor | hmmm well time to figure out what that could be then |
| 16:58.28 | ChrisH | Hell-Razor: did you check using lspci which is the correct/needed firmware? |
| 16:58.33 | stephan48 | hi, i am using xen on my server, unfortunately with xen 4.1 theres no native(as in provided by xen 4.1) support vor vif-routed and ipv6. would it make sense to update to jessie for xen 4.4 or just backport the fixed vif-route with ipv6 support? |
| 16:58.50 | stephan48 | backport=copy a vif-route version which supports ipv6 and not the whole xen stack |
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| 16:59.09 | marioxcc | Hello. I want to purchase a keyboard and computer mouse. What I must watch for, in order for them to be compatible with Debian GNU/Linux without proprietary firmware?. I think that they must be compliant with HID, is this correct? what else?. |
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| 16:59.19 | Hell-Razor | ChrisH: the installer cd said i needed rt2561s.bin and that just happens to be the firmware i needed on gentoo. short answer no i didnt =/ |
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| 17:00.00 | Pegasus_RPG | Hell-Razor: I would troubleshoot the not-booting issue first since that's more serious |
| 17:00.09 | Hell-Razor | yeah thats what im working on atm |
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| 17:00.25 | Pegasus_RPG | Try using the "recovery mode" boot option as then you'll see all kernel messages on the console |
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| 17:01.29 | Hell-Razor | via the cd or is it in grub Pegasus_RPG? |
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| 17:01.41 | Pegasus_RPG | should be in the grub menu |
| 17:01.49 | Hell-Razor | oh der |
| 17:02.07 | Hell-Razor | failed to update clock |
| 17:02.15 | Hell-Razor | failed to start cups |
| 17:02.19 | Hell-Razor | those are the only two errors |
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| 17:02.49 | Pegasus_RPG | Weird... did you do a bad sector scan on your HD recently? |
| 17:02.51 | wols | Hell-Razor: you wrote it doesn't boot. it obvipously does however. so what is your actual problem that it "doesn't boot"? |
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| 17:03.54 | Hell-Razor | wols: no it doesnt boot. i just happened to do the recovery mode and it went alright. i dont think its a kernel panic so i should say it doesnt get much further than that. |
| 17:03.57 | wols | marioxcc: nothing. stuff like many macro keys and the like will probably not work |
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| 17:04.14 | wols | Hell-Razor: what actually happens if you try to boot normally? |
| 17:04.27 | marioxcc | wols: ok, why is it that they don't work? |
| 17:04.44 | Hell-Razor | Pegasus_RPG: i dont think its a sector problem. i have windows and bsd installed on this same drive and have been using them for months and zero issues. |
| 17:05.09 | Hell-Razor | wols: i get to grub, the kernel boots then i get the repeating error about firmware unable to load |
| 17:05.16 | wols | cause they are special keys using special keycodes linux usually doesn't know about. the normal part of the keyboard works, but you pay extra money for the macros and the like which would waste money |
| 17:06.13 | Pegasus_RPG | Hell-Razor: when you did the installation, you installed the base system right? |
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| 17:06.36 | marioxcc | wols: ok, though I suppose you mean X11. I doubut that the kernel is involved with processing the key codes. |
| 17:06.48 | Hell-Razor | Pegasus_RPG: yes lol. ive rebooted five or six times (i installed about three hours ago) with zero issues messing around with X and my nvidia card |
| 17:07.06 | Pegasus_RPG | oh so this just started? It was working before?? |
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| 17:07.19 | Hell-Razor | yup was working jsut fine until i tried to install that module |
| 17:07.27 | Hell-Razor | firmware |
| 17:07.27 | wald0 | how much useful is the package laptop-mode-tools at today's ? since kernels and os improved during the last years? |
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| 17:08.12 | Pegasus_RPG | Well that's interesting... I would first boot to the CD then in rescue mode and remove that package, then see if you can start up normally again |
| 17:08.37 | Hell-Razor | yeah in recovery mode as i hit ctrl d it throws the failing to load firmware... now its combined with something about printk messages dropped but i cant read the rest, scrolling way too fast |
| 17:09.00 | Pegasus_RPG | oh then you don't need the CD if you get the CTRL-D message |
| 17:09.12 | Pegasus_RPG | just enter root's pw, remove the package and try rebooting |
| 17:09.31 | Hell-Razor | ok |
| 17:09.58 | Pegasus_RPG | btw /var/log/messages may contain some of what's whizzing by, /var/log/syslog will as well |
| 17:10.03 | Hell-Razor | now lets see if i can remember the packages name. ive been trying to troubleshoot by myself for a while and not come on here to bug you guys |
| 17:10.23 | Hell-Razor | yeah Pegasus_RPG I was reading that when i origionally typed the root pw |
| 17:10.34 | Pegasus_RPG | firmware-ralink ChrisH said |
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| 17:12.34 | Hell-Razor | thats strange. says theres no space left on device but it also shows 100 gigs free |
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| 17:13.28 | ChrisH | Hell-Razor: /boot filled up? |
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| 17:14.13 | Hell-Razor | sec ChrisH, phone |
| 17:14.21 | Pegasus_RPG | How can I set an env var for a cron job? |
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| 17:15.30 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: easiest inside the cronjob |
| 17:15.41 | ChrisH | or manually source the corresponding file |
| 17:16.04 | Hell-Razor | nope ChrisH thats all on / and that has 5 gigs left |
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| 17:16.39 | Hell-Razor | but i see /var is full |
| 17:16.51 | Hell-Razor | that could cause issues |
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| 17:23.37 | infinitiguy | I'm looking for a way to query a debian system for any package matching a search string that isnt installed and install it - the trick is I need the command I use to find packages when run a second time to return nothing (so I know it's been installed). I'm usually a redhat guy - and with yum I would do… yum list available | grep 'font.*noarch' | awk {'print $1'} which I could then pump into yum install |
| 17:24.10 | infinitiguy | can anyone give me advice on how to achieve the same with debian? I have this - apt-cache search '^xfonts-|^fonts-' | sed 's/^\(x\?fonts-[^ ]*\).*$/\1/' but when installing what it returns it still lists all the fonts |
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| 17:30.09 | Pegasus_RPG | infinitiguy: I'm no shell wizard, but perhaps dpkg -l | grep <packagename> will help you? |
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| 17:30.23 | Pegasus_RPG | (dpkg -l lists installed packages) |
| 17:30.30 | EdePopede | befor i forget that option on the shell, what is the CLEAN way to tell my system that i want the original language (some english) when i start programs as root? in system administration i do not want to be confronted with translations. |
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| 17:31.35 | Pegasus_RPG | EdePopede: put something in /root/.profile? |
| 17:31.36 | infinitiguy | yea - unfortunately dpkg seems to be only installed - I'm trying to query the repos to get me any (an unknown amount) of packages matching a string and install those |
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| 17:31.48 | infinitiguy | and then query to make sure they are in fact installed and no further ones are available |
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| 17:32.53 | Pegasus_RPG | infinitiguy: well, dpkg -l will tell you for sure if they're installed or not (if the first letters are ii) |
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| 17:34.47 | Pegasus_RPG | infinitiguy: So I would apt-cache search into a variable holding a list of the needed packages, then dpkg -l each of them and see if the line starts with ii. If not, install it, if so, continue. |
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| 17:35.24 | EdePopede | aha^^ |
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| 17:35.34 | infinitiguy | i just noticed the ii - that's cool - I hadn't seen that before - im working on that now |
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| 17:36.25 | Pegasus_RPG | infinitiguy: be aware that if a package has been removed but still has config files lying around (i.e. not purged) then it'll show rr. Installing such a package again will work, but may not be in the default config |
| 17:37.04 | Pegasus_RPG | So if you want to get fancy, you could first purge any of the packages with status other than ii, then install then |
| 17:37.10 | infinitiguy | cool - in this case I don't think there's much(any) config that would change - it's for a prereq script so it should only really get run once. |
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| 17:37.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Just saying, incase you're going to run this against existing systems |
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| 17:49.05 | bsdbeard | Has anyone succesfully compiled the haskell platform on wheezy? |
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| 17:52.05 | cjohn | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 17:52.14 | cjohn | I simply get this _on a fresh debian wheezy installation_. |
| 17:52.16 | cjohn | What is missing? |
| 17:52.19 | cjohn | I hate this! |
| 17:52.28 | amizya | Hello guys, is there any way to know if a service was restarted ? |
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| 17:52.36 | bsdbeard | cjohn, means you don't have the public key to verify the packages |
| 17:52.50 | somiaj | ,v haskell-platform |
| 17:52.51 | judd | Package: haskell-platform on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.1.0.0.1; wheezy: 2012.2.0.0; jessie: 2013.2.0.0.debian12; sid: 2013.2.0.0.debian12 |
| 17:52.56 | topi` | amizya: look at the systemd log files... and also systemctl status the.service will show you |
| 17:52.56 | zupzupper | amizya: easiest way would be logs |
| 17:53.07 | topi` | are you using systemd or sysvinit? |
| 17:53.14 | cjohn | bsdbeard: I install from official debian repository, do I have to install a key package? |
| 17:53.16 | cjohn | ohh |
| 17:53.18 | somiaj | bsdbeard: it looks like it has been sucesffuly compiled on wheezy, what are you trying to do? Could you use the debian src that already sucesffuly compiles on wheezy? |
| 17:53.33 | iveevue | What does Debian think about the fork over systemd? |
| 17:53.36 | zupzupper | amizya: you could also take a look at the service process id diretory in /proc and see when it was created |
| 17:53.36 | bsdbeard | somiaj, I need the 2013 or 2014 platform on wheezy, wheezy-backports doesn't have 2013 |
| 17:53.41 | amizya | topi`: zupzupper no easy way other than logs ? |
| 17:53.48 | bsdbeard | somiaj, so I thought about compiling it |
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| 17:54.04 | somiaj | bsdbeard: have you tried to make your own backport, /msg dpkg ssb (you can do this from the jessie sources and it 'may' work on wheezy |
| 17:54.12 | somiaj | ,check-backport haskell-platform |
| 17:54.13 | judd | Backporting package haskell-platform in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 17:54.18 | EdePopede | is irc.debinan org on a separate network or is this only an alias for one of the servers here? |
| 17:54.27 | bsdbeard | somiaj, thanks for the tip, I will try this |
| 17:54.45 | somiaj | bsdbeard: first glance says the factoid /msg dpkg ssb will build the jessie version on wheezy (fairly automated) without much work. Though I'm just going by what the bot says |
| 17:55.09 | bsdbeard | somiaj, I hope my system doesn't blow up! :-) |
| 17:55.12 | somiaj | EdePopede: irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net which is a seperate irc network. debian swtiched to oftc as the offical irc network in 2006ish |
| 17:55.44 | bsdbeard | Isn't oftc less active compared to freenode? |
| 17:56.04 | EdePopede | thx somiaj. btw now that i knew what to searc for i found the name on the homepage.. |
| 17:56.54 | somiaj | iveevue: this is a big debate in debian, go check the mailing lists. What debian is doing is supporting both sysvinit and systemd and really is now giving more choice than ever before because you can choose what init system will be installed. There is still some work on how to figure out which to install first. I belive the goal is 1) if you are running sysvinit, dist-upgrade to jessie will not replace it with systemd unless you have a package ... |
| 17:56.56 | EdePopede | bsdbeard: activity is not the only point when it comes to support, not rvrn one of the relevant questions |
| 17:57.00 | somiaj | ... that depends on systemd or request it. 2) the install will have some method to choose which init system to install from the start. |
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| 17:57.37 | amizya | zupzupper: actually i would like to know if a service was restarted so i can trigger another service |
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| 17:57.58 | amizya | zupzupper: I need something auto |
| 17:58.47 | zupzupper | amizya: restarting or crashing? |
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| 17:59.01 | amizya | restarting zupzupper |
| 17:59.49 | zupzupper | amizya: have the service init script write it's pid into /var/run or somewhere and make sure it cleans up after itself, then use cron to watch for that id to change? |
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| 18:01.51 | topi` | grr, I finished debootstrapping jessie, and forgot to change password via chroot and now I cannot login... |
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| 18:06.12 | SPF | when I log into a system as root I enter password and then it hangs. But if I log in as user there is no problem. How do I proceed to find the cause? |
| 18:06.31 | SPF | it worked before, probably related to nfs |
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| 18:16.27 | bsdbeard | somiaj, I'm a bit confused, I followed the instructions of dpkg ssb, but it just downloaded ~50kb, will installing the debs it downloaded download the rest? |
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| 18:26.58 | somiaj | bsdbeard: The instructions should not download any debs, they should download the source code. What commands did you run? |
| 18:27.14 | somiaj | bsdbeard: now the commands will create a .deb on your machine you can then install. |
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| 18:27.40 | bsdbeard | somiaj, sudo apt-get -b source haskell-platform |
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| 18:28.09 | bsdbeard | it made 3 debs, but it's only ~50kb how is this possible? the platform itself is ~200mb |
| 18:28.11 | somiaj | bsdbeard: did you add the deb-src line for jessie first? After that finishes you should have some .deb files in your CWD that you compiled (not downloaded) |
| 18:28.15 | bsdbeard | somiaj, yes |
| 18:28.34 | bsdbeard | I added it and ran sudo apt-get update |
| 18:28.59 | somiaj | bsdbeard: I'm unsure how haskell is split up in debian, it gets split into multiple packages, maybe the package you created was just a metapackage, one second |
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| 18:29.45 | somiaj | yea that was just the metapackage, you need to build the actual source, which would be what you are looking for |
| 18:29.54 | bsdbeard | this is the biggest package it created haskell-platform_2013.2.0.0.debian12_all.deb (5.3 KB) |
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| 18:31.34 | bsdbeard | somiaj, How would I build the actual source? |
| 18:31.36 | somiaj | bsdbeard: yea that is just a metapackage, I'm unsure what the actual source package for it is, it may be you have to backport various source packages to get the whole platform |
| 18:31.44 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 18:31.50 | somiaj | I don't use haskell so I'm unsure how it is split up in debian and not finding the source package name |
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| 18:34.03 | bsdbeard | somiaj, It seems I need to install all of this? https://www.haskell.org/platform/changelog.html |
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| 18:34.42 | somiaj | yea there are lots of haskell source packages, seems like it is split up into various parts and you'll have to backport all the parts you want, I was hoping it was one large source package that got build into multiple packages but that is not the case it seems |
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| 18:34.45 | HFSPLUS | HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED! |
| 18:34.48 | HFSPLUS | hey jelly-home |
| 18:34.51 | HFSPLUS | hey jelly |
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| 18:36.12 | somiaj | bsdbeard: you may have to find someone more familar with how the haskell platform is split up and packaged in debian to help you backport it |
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| 18:41.15 | bsdbeard | somiaj, thanks for your help! |
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| 18:43.05 | bm123456 | hey,i have little problem....iam trying to change my wlan mac address but for some reason it's changing back to original |
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| 18:43.36 | bm123456 | can anyone help??? |
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| 18:45.04 | bm123456 | i have changed my eth0 mac through etc/network/interfaces and its staying the changed one but my wlan mac keeps on changing to original mac |
| 18:45.18 | dondelelcaro | bm123456: not every card supports having the mac address changed |
| 18:45.49 | bm123456 | iam using "tp link tl wl722n " |
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| 18:46.06 | bm123456 | srry..it's "tl wn722n" |
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| 18:49.52 | jhutchins | bm123456: So research it and see if it supports mac spoofing. |
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| 18:50.14 | bm123456 | ok...wait |
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| 18:52.25 | marioxcc | Hello. I have a screen tearing problem with programs not used on full screen mode. My graphic controller is Intel HD graphics. How should I begin with the troubleshooting? |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | marioxcc: which version of Debian to start |
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| 18:54.27 | Reelax | Hi, menus in Qt application is too small i cant even read text, what did i wrong in my debian box ? |
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| 18:55.59 | bm123456 | i guess,my adaptor does not support mac spoofing |
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| 18:56.04 | bm123456 | fcuk!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:56.21 | bm123456 | if i knew that before,i would have never bought this |
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| 18:56.44 | amizya | Reelax: `qtconfig` and try to change fonts |
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| 18:58.21 | Reelax | amizya: command not found |
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| 18:58.43 | kephra | moin |
| 18:59.13 | kephra | wonders why one of my Wheezy has iceweasel 31.2 |
| 18:59.28 | kephra | the other has 24.8 |
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| 19:00.30 | bsdbeard | kephra, perhaps one is wheezy 7.0 and the other is wheezy 7.7? :P |
| 19:00.43 | Reelax | i just installed Qt 5.3.0 , the problem comes from previous installation of old version |
| 19:00.44 | kephra | what is dar, marioxcc ? |
| 19:01.09 | marioxcc | kephra: It's an archiver like Tar <http://dar.linux.free.fr/> |
| 19:01.10 | Reelax | so where is this damn config file that shows tiny Qt Creator window, i can even open a new project |
| 19:01.31 | kephra | and why did you DCC it to me? |
| 19:01.33 | Reelax | gnome-tweak-tool has anything to do with this ? i tried it but failed. |
| 19:02.38 | marioxcc | kephra: you may find it useful. |
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| 19:03.28 | kephra | but, thanks that I know that DCC still works here ;-) |
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| 19:05.51 | EdePopede | ok then. aptitude > options > Install recommended packages automatically -- it says: "If .... , aptitude will attempt to install the recommendations of newly installed packages in addition to their outright dependencies. Suggestions will not be automatically installed." -- where is the difference if philosphy is left out? in the end both says "you don't have to, but you should" |
| 19:06.03 | amizya | Reelax: try run it with -style=gtk |
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| 19:06.47 | Reelax | amizya: where? is that a command ? |
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| 19:06.57 | marioxcc | Hello. I have a screen tearing problem with programs not used on full screen mode. My graphic controller is Intel HD graphics. How should I begin with the troubleshooting? I'm using Debian 7.7 |
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| 19:07.18 | amizya | Reelax: run qtcreator with that param |
| 19:07.27 | amizya | from the command line |
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| 19:10.24 | Reelax | amizya: i did but no change |
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| 19:15.48 | marioxcc | Hello. Is there a way with support from Linux (The kernel of Debian GNU/Linux) to limit a process CPU usage even when other process are idle?. |
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| 19:16.18 | treah | Hey everyone has anyone else have apt-get update break the initramfs? |
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| 19:16.23 | marioxcc | For instance, to limit a process to 10% CPU usage, even when other processes are idle, apart from stopping and continuing the job with SIGCONT an SIGSTOP. |
| 19:16.45 | marioxcc | treah: not me, but I have used only stable. |
| 19:16.58 | treah | Yeah im using stable |
| 19:17.07 | treah | it broke my initramfs on this VM |
| 19:17.20 | zupzupper | marioxcc: are you looking for cgroups? |
| 19:17.29 | treah | I had to recreate it after figureing out that it was not my actual Disk |
| 19:17.35 | Reelax | damn , this is so annoying !!! |
| 19:17.53 | marioxcc | zupzupper: I have taken a look to cgropups, but apparently only priority and accounting can be done. It seems like it can't limit a process CPU usage when other processes are idle. |
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| 19:20.50 | zupzupper | marioxcc: does this do what you're looking for |
| 19:20.52 | zupzupper | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/cpu-usage-limiter-for-linux/ |
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| 19:23.59 | marioxcc | zupzupper: no, it does exactly what I don't want it to do: pause and resume the process continously. |
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| 19:25.16 | marioxcc | zupzupper: it's useful, but is there something like this with support in the kernel?. |
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| 19:25.59 | kennethd | Hi. I'm stuck mid-upgrade from squeeze-tls to wheezy, some of my perl packages seem to be pinned to a version from squeeze, others are missing. I posted a description to debian-user @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/12/msg00106.html (pinning mentioned in follow-up) |
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| 19:28.11 | Nik05 | kennethd can you give us a apt-cache policy paste? |
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| 19:29.24 | Nik05 | kennethd you did do a apt-get upgrade before the dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:33.15 | marioxcc | Hi. Which forum software would you recommend for a small community (It will be installed in a VPS)?. Using a daemon database such a MySQL is ok. |
| 19:33.17 | kennethd | Nik05: yes, well, I did a final aptitude update && aptitude upgrade before beginning to follow the directions to use apt-get instead; then did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:33.25 | kennethd | Nik05: here is policy http://pastebin.com/s3HKWMG6 |
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| 19:34.21 | Nik05 | kennethd did you also try a aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 19:34.53 | Nik05 | but im not sure about the error you are getting |
| 19:35.11 | jhutchins | kennethd: Do you have things pinned in /etc/apt/preferences or preferences.d/? |
| 19:35.24 | kennethd | jhutchins: nope, nothing pinned |
| 19:35.24 | Nik05 | jhutchins looks like he doesnt on the apt-cache policy paste |
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| 19:35.52 | kennethd | Nik05: full-upgrade? no.. never |
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| 19:36.16 | Nik05 | maybe that works? |
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| 19:39.05 | Spydar007 | How can I make it so a user can only access his home directory, and it's subdirectories? I've tried everything, chroot included. |
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| 19:39.46 | bynarie | Spydar007, have you used chmod to change permissions? |
| 19:39.51 | greycat | If you wanted to do that with a chroot, you would have to install an entire operating system within his home directory. |
| 19:40.07 | bynarie | yea... chroot means change root |
| 19:40.08 | greycat | Otherwise he wouldn't have access to the commands and so on. |
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| 19:40.45 | bynarie | by default every user can read / but cant write to it.. like greycat said... if you blocked everything you couldnt run any commands |
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| 19:41.04 | bynarie | dd, tar, sudo, su gksu.. etc.. would be blocked |
| 19:41.06 | Hell-Razor | alright finally back |
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| 19:41.21 | Spydar007 | bynarie: but wouldn't I have to chmod every file other than his? |
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| 19:41.41 | greycat | Ask yourself what you're actually trying to prevent him from donig. |
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| 19:41.47 | bynarie | no |
| 19:41.58 | Spydar007 | Or can I make it so the user can't read other /home directories |
| 19:42.00 | bynarie | Spydar007, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 19:42.09 | bynarie | yes u can do that |
| 19:42.14 | greycat | There are very few operating system files that need to be kept secret, and all of those ARE restricted with permissions by default. |
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| 19:42.24 | Spydar007 | How, bynarie? |
| 19:42.33 | bynarie | use the chmod -R |
| 19:42.37 | Hell-Razor | to install a .bin from a usb stick, will the installer automatically hunt for it or is there a trick to do it correctly? |
| 19:42.39 | bynarie | to change perm on dire |
| 19:42.43 | greycat | Protecting users from each other is basically a matter of setting permissions on the home directories themselves. |
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| 19:42.55 | bsdbeard | bloody hell I've been compiling ghc6 for an hour and it's still not finished |
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| 19:43.02 | hramrach_ | hello |
| 19:43.06 | bynarie | chmod -R 700 /home/usertoprotect |
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| 19:43.16 | NigeyS | hey :) quick Q .. again .. can you pass args to a2ensite, say my config is in a dir other than sites-available ? |
| 19:43.20 | hramrach_ | how do I switch my box to single user |
| 19:43.24 | greycat | Ugh god, don't do a recursive chmod 700. |
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| 19:43.29 | kennethd | Nik05: I think the 3rd suggestion from aptitude full-update might work for me, it is going forward... thx |
| 19:43.29 | Spydar007 | bynarie: but does that mean that only the user itself and root can access that? |
| 19:43.35 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: are you running gentoo? lol |
| 19:43.39 | bynarie | yep Spydar007 |
| 19:43.39 | bsdbeard | Hell-Razor, debian |
| 19:43.51 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: yeah it was a joke |
| 19:43.58 | bsdbeard | :C |
| 19:43.59 | Spydar007 | greycat: why not |
| 19:44.03 | hramrach_ | or how do I tell tar not to descend mounts? |
| 19:44.11 | Nik05 | kennethd apt is sometimes strange magic |
| 19:44.22 | bsdbeard | Hell-Razor, any idea how long this will take? |
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| 19:44.32 | greycat | Spydar007: that will ADD execute permissions to data files, and it will potentially screw up someone's carefully selected group/world permissions. |
| 19:44.38 | bynarie | Spydar007, chmod -R 700 /home/user protects the directory from everyone except the user itselfg |
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| 19:44.49 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: no idea im still trying to get into my system lol |
| 19:44.49 | greycat | Don't use the -R. Just do chmod 700 /home/user |
| 19:44.59 | Spydar007 | K |
| 19:44.59 | bsdbeard | :( |
| 19:45.05 | marioxcc | Hi. Which forum software would you recommend for a small community (It will be installed in a VPS)?. Using a daemon database such a MySQL is ok. |
| 19:45.22 | bsdbeard | ugh forums in 2014 |
| 19:45.28 | bynarie | sorry Spydar007 , listen to greycat he probably has better knowledge |
| 19:45.32 | bynarie | i was just assuming |
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| 19:46.07 | Spydar007 | bynarie: heh, it fine :p |
| 19:46.19 | Hell-Razor | anybody know what file systems the debian installer can read/ |
| 19:46.21 | Hell-Razor | ? |
| 19:46.26 | hramrach_ | marioxcc: the problem is not getting a forum software but keeping up with security updates an removing trojans installed through security holes |
| 19:46.42 | blocky | is there any way to fix this without reinstalling debian? http://imgur.com/8qPY7oZ |
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| 19:47.00 | marioxcc | hramrach_: Still, I'd like to hear suggestions. What has worked for you, for instance, and why have you chosen it?. |
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| 19:47.41 | marioxcc | There are tens of forum software packages to chose from, and there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to go with any of them (Though I can discard some, because they are proprietary software) |
| 19:47.52 | hramrach_ | I was never a forum administrator but saw many small forum sites that were behind on security and had malware on them |
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| 19:48.14 | kennethd | Nik05: it seems the full-upgrade is just OK with continuing after seeing errors, I've seen a few go by. Feels like progress though :) |
| 19:48.46 | Nik05 | :P |
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| 19:49.01 | hramrach_ | marioxcc: just try installing 2-3 popular ones for which guides are easy to find and keep the one you like |
| 19:49.12 | swordsmanz | blocky wtf |
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| 19:49.27 | hramrach_ | also intelligible post database which you can dump and import into another system might be a plus |
| 19:49.27 | Hell-Razor | anybody here have a good partitioning scheme for... 12tb? spread across 4 drives? doesnt have to take up everything... |
| 19:49.38 | blocky | swordsmanz: only happens in chrome and only on certain sites |
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| 19:50.42 | swordsmanz | blocky you rtyed flushing your browser data an reinstalling chrome ? |
| 19:50.47 | Spydar007 | bynarie, greycat: worked, thanks a lot |
| 19:50.58 | marioxcc | hramrach_: yes, that's what I'm doing. |
| 19:52.25 | hramrach_ | Hell-Razor: LVM or ... what was that thing imported from Solaris again? |
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| 19:53.21 | hramrach_ | how do I copy my / ? |
| 19:53.27 | Nik05 | cp / |
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| 19:53.37 | bsdbeard | hramrach_, better use rsync |
| 19:53.49 | hramrach_ | that does not copy only / |
| 19:53.54 | Hell-Razor | hramrach_: never tried lvm before, ive read about it but dont quite follow the concept... from the .02 i took from it is its like a stick of gum and a wrapper. the wrapper is lvm and the gum is the fs, you can do whatever you want with the gum as long as its inside the wrapper... |
| 19:53.58 | greycat | There are lots of ways. rsync, tar, find|cpio, find|pax |
| 19:54.26 | greycat | hramrach_: if you add -x to rysnc it does. |
| 19:54.37 | hramrach_ | yes but I do not want /dev or /proc |
| 19:54.46 | bsdbeard | hramrach_, then use --exclude-dir |
| 19:54.47 | greycat | -x, -one-file-system |
| 19:54.56 | greycat | err not enough dashes, sorry |
| 19:54.59 | hramrach_ | that might work |
| 19:55.13 | hramrach_ | tar cannot do that :/ |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | GNU tar has --one-file-system |
| 19:55.46 | greycat | I don't know if they borrowed it from rsync, or if rsync borrowed it from them |
| 19:55.47 | bsdbeard | wonders why this is taking an eternity to compile |
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| 19:56.10 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: your machine is old? |
| 19:56.14 | bsdbeard | Hell-Razor, nope |
| 19:56.43 | greycat | (The original form is find's -xdev option, so I'm surprised not to see it shown that way.) |
| 19:56.49 | bsdbeard | whoever maintains these packages must be a saint, would not recompile again 0/10 |
| 19:56.50 | Hell-Razor | old, bsdbeard, is like unless you just put it together this morning, its old lol |
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| 19:57.17 | Hell-Razor | lol |
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| 19:57.38 | bsdbeard | or maybe they own a datacenter for compiling :C |
| 19:57.51 | Hell-Razor | you need uhm |
| 19:57.52 | Hell-Razor | whats it called |
| 19:58.01 | Hell-Razor | where you compile across multiple computers |
| 19:58.09 | bsdbeard | map/reduce it |
| 19:58.09 | greycat | distributed computing, cluster, ... |
| 19:58.13 | bsdbeard | heh |
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| 19:58.35 | Hell-Razor | is it dcc im thinking of maybe? theres a term gentoo uses |
| 19:59.20 | bsdbeard | Even compiling Qt from scratch took less time |
| 19:59.47 | Hell-Razor | alright now time for the most important part... partitioning (sigh) |
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| 20:00.22 | bsdbeard | Hell-Razor, are you using LVM? |
| 20:00.45 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: ive never used it. no idea what it is |
| 20:01.06 | bsdbeard | logical volume manager |
| 20:01.08 | Hell-Razor | i have 4 3 tb drives |
| 20:01.09 | hramrach_ | indeed, there is long option for tar as well |
| 20:01.13 | hramrach_ | thanks |
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| 20:02.08 | bsdbeard | everyone seems to love LVM but I found it can't do certain things |
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| 20:02.19 | bsdbeard | so I reverted back to regular partitions |
| 20:02.20 | Hell-Razor | like what? |
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| 20:02.45 | Hell-Razor | i usually do regular partitions but sometimes its nice to be able to resize |
| 20:02.50 | bsdbeard | I don't remember off the top of my head, I believe it was shrinking a LVM between partitions, i.e. [part1][lvm][part2] |
| 20:03.16 | Hell-Razor | its too bad the debian install doesnt support fs that kill their wives |
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| 20:03.19 | Hell-Razor | i love mine doing it |
| 20:03.20 | greycat | Shrinking is basically something you never expect to work. |
| 20:03.35 | bsdbeard | :/ |
| 20:03.42 | greycat | That's why you start each partition (within LVM) small and let them grow later, instead of the other way around. |
| 20:04.10 | Hell-Razor | i dont need to shrink anything really... i do just want to leave like 500gb unpartitioned though incase i decide to try and build a hackintosh or something |
| 20:04.17 | Hell-Razor | maybe a tb |
| 20:04.18 | Hell-Razor | who knows |
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| 20:05.08 | bsdbeard | I'll be really pissed if compilation fails, don't want to do this again |
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| 20:05.21 | Hell-Razor | lol i would be too |
| 20:05.31 | Hell-Razor | so greycat i assume youre a fan of lvm |
| 20:05.46 | greycat | I've used it a bit. I'm not a guru. |
| 20:05.54 | Hell-Razor | fair enough |
| 20:05.58 | Hell-Razor | ive never used it |
| 20:06.09 | bsdbeard | messing with lvextend was not fun, especially since when I used it debian's gparted did not have support for lvm |
| 20:06.30 | Hell-Razor | im actually sort of debating about just doing one large partition across the board.. keep it simple stupid |
| 20:07.09 | Hell-Razor | ive done like 10 partitions before when i first got these drives in gentoo... did a raid 0 and whatnot... my fstab was a nightmare |
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| 20:07.23 | bsdbeard | when I have more time I'll try a UEFI+GPT set up and hope it works |
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| 20:07.31 | Hell-Razor | meh |
| 20:07.42 | Hell-Razor | i have uefi disabled on my mobo. its not worth it i think |
| 20:07.46 | Hell-Razor | just a headache |
| 20:08.00 | mc_fail | hi guys, i'm trying to build a debian package for new pulseaudio, but unfortunately, i'm not familiar with debial building system, and i'm trying to do it by rpm-way(just get an old one spec for new one tarball, and of course compilation always fails) is it a great way to do a new package in debian, or it will be better to start from strarch with building guide? |
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| 20:08.29 | bsdbeard | greycat, have you tried UEFI with debian? |
| 20:08.35 | mc_fail | the problem is that i really still can't understand why some files in /debian folder needed |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | I barely even understand what UEFI is. |
| 20:08.56 | Hell-Razor | greycat: all i know is that it can cause a big headache lol |
| 20:08.58 | greycat | All I know is that one some machines I have to click random things in the BIOS. |
| 20:09.03 | bsdbeard | it's essentially a mini operating system, replacement for BIOS |
| 20:09.07 | mc_fail | it's looks like some of them is kind of stages from rpm spec |
| 20:10.23 | greycat | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695048 <- that is my EFI experience |
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| 20:11.09 | hramrach_ | UEFI is ACPI made worse |
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| 20:11.46 | bsdbeard | greycat, that seems unpleasant |
| 20:11.56 | Hell-Razor | alright lets see here |
| 20:12.17 | greycat | bsdbeard: at least when I had to repeat the process on my coworker's machine (identical), I knew where to look for the answers |
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| 20:12.42 | Nik05 | kennethd is it working? |
| 20:13.57 | hramrach_ | in theory UEFI is a good idea. in practice it has larger scope than any other previous BIOS attempt and has more bugs in spec and implementation than any previous BIOS :/ |
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| 20:14.23 | Hell-Razor | how big is your guys /usr directory? just trying to figure out how big i should make it |
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| 20:14.41 | bsdbeard | don't have a separate partition for /usr |
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| 20:14.58 | Hell-Razor | whats your table look like bsdbeard? |
| 20:15.09 | teraflops | nor me even for /boot |
| 20:15.20 | Hell-Razor | ive never cared for boot |
| 20:15.31 | bsdbeard | hramrach_, that's because it's not a BIOS, it doesn't work in real mode |
| 20:15.55 | hramrach_ | the mode is not the problem |
| 20:16.18 | Nik05 | Hell-Razor here its 6.3GB |
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| 20:16.43 | bsdbeard | The problem is that nothing is compatible with it, so UEFI has to resort to emulating a BIOS, which is buggy and eliminates the point of UEFI in the first place |
| 20:16.51 | greycat | In my case, my theory is that the machine was *shipped* with this EFI thing, whatever that is, but our local IT deparment nuked it when they put Win XP on it. Then the Debian installer didn't see it, and got confused. |
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| 20:17.02 | Hell-Razor | Nik05: thanks |
| 20:17.11 | hramrach_ | like ofw was not in real mode because there was no real mode on those machines |
| 20:17.14 | Nik05 | no idea what you want with that information thoug |
| 20:17.41 | bsdbeard | greycat, they put win xp on it in 2014? |
| 20:17.41 | bsdbeard | :D |
| 20:17.54 | hramrach_ | bsdbeard: and it's designed so that it's virtually impossible to be compatible with it |
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| 20:18.27 | Hell-Razor | noooooooo |
| 20:18.35 | Hell-Razor | debian doesnt support reiser |
| 20:18.39 | Hell-Razor | on the install cd |
| 20:18.40 | greycat | It was 2012, not 2014. But yes, Windows XP is still our current desktop standard. We're supposed to migrate to Windows 7 within the next year, but nobody in PC support has a clue how that'll happen. |
| 20:18.47 | Hell-Razor | unless i do the hard way and im lazy |
| 20:19.04 | bsdbeard | greycat, might as well migrate to debian :) |
| 20:19.15 | hramrach_ | hmm, rsync finished |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | bsdbeard: Very much NOT my decision to make. |
| 20:20.04 | hramrach_ | hmm, my fstab says # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM |
| 20:20.16 | bsdbeard | you borked it |
| 20:20.26 | hramrach_ | I guess I don't need a fstab then ^.^ |
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| 20:21.12 | bsdbeard | greycat, You mentioned with LVM, you start small and then resize as needed, if my LVM has 3 partitions on it, how can extend the first? won't it say it's impossible because there's 2 partitions ahead of it? |
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| 20:21.42 | greycat | bsdbeard: no, that's the beauty of LVM. You can grow partitions from non-contiguous blocks. |
| 20:21.43 | dracc | "testsaslauthd -u user -p password" gives "1. OK success!", but when I try to send mails through postfix with rimap auth, it fails. I can't find any descriptive errors. What to do? |
| 20:21.54 | bsdbeard | =0 |
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| 20:22.06 | bsdbeard | I'll have to try LVM again in that case |
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| 20:22.36 | teraflops | dracc: look at the logs |
| 20:23.26 | dracc | teraflops: Yeah, they say "SASL PLAIN authentication failed: authentication failure", but I can't find why it failed. |
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| 20:23.46 | teraflops | dracc: looks like you missed some configurations |
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| 20:24.57 | mofino | dracc, postfix? do you have the saslauthd socket going into the postfix chroot? |
| 20:25.01 | dracc | teraflops: Probably, but which ones? I've tried with and without domain in username in userdb, with and without "-r"-switch in saslauthd and a tonne of more troubles. :( |
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| 20:25.23 | dracc | mofino, I haven't seen any postfix chroot, how do I know if I have one? |
| 20:25.29 | mofino | is this postfix? |
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| 20:25.54 | mofino | or rather, are you running postfix on debian? |
| 20:26.13 | dracc | mofino, It's postfix on debian, yes. :) |
| 20:26.38 | mofino | (sorry, just need to confirm) it's chrooted, check /etc/default/saslauthd, should be something to uncomment |
| 20:26.51 | dracc | It recieves mails correctly, can't send them though. :( |
| 20:26.55 | mofino | yeah |
| 20:26.57 | dracc | mofino, OK. :) |
| 20:27.23 | teraflops | dracc: are yuu using dovecot/whatever or just postfix? helping on that kind of issues is a nighmare |
| 20:27.40 | mofino | teraflops, it is a nightmare |
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| 20:28.02 | dracc | teraflops: postfix, sasl2-bin (saslauthd) and courier-imap. |
| 20:28.04 | mofino | postfix doesn't support SASL debugging either, for some odd reason |
| 20:28.05 | bsdbeard | it's happening!! |
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| 20:28.15 | bsdbeard | "building package ghc"! finally |
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| 20:29.04 | dracc | mofino, I've changed the "OPTIONS" setting from "/var/run/saslauthd" to the recommended chrooted "/var/spool/..." |
| 20:29.13 | dracc | So, that's not it. :( |
| 20:29.20 | mofino | you restarted the service? |
| 20:29.31 | dracc | mofino, uncountable amount of times. |
| 20:29.32 | mofino | you configured /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf? |
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| 20:29.51 | dracc | mofino, well, it's there, dunno if it's complete/correct though. |
| 20:30.03 | dracc | OH SH*T |
| 20:30.11 | dracc | Sorry, it seems to be gone. |
| 20:30.12 | dracc | BRB |
| 20:30.36 | bsdbeard | bloody hell |
| 20:30.40 | bsdbeard | it's 3.5 gigabytes |
| 20:30.46 | hramrach_ | why do you need to build ghc :0 |
| 20:30.53 | bsdbeard | it just finished |
| 20:30.57 | bsdbeard | why the hell is it 3.5GB |
| 20:31.08 | hramrach_ | strip |
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| 20:31.27 | dracc | mofino, thanks a tonne. gonna try it now. |
| 20:31.28 | hramrach_ | it's huge even stripped |
| 20:31.31 | dracc | try/test |
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| 20:31.55 | dracc | mofino, well, something's still wrong. |
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| 20:32.13 | mofino | dracc, still need to enable it in postfix as well |
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| 20:32.28 | mofino | smtpd_sasl_something_something maybe |
| 20:32.30 | mofino | heh |
| 20:32.43 | hramrach_ | my WM takes up about 0.5G and only draws 1px wide border, heh |
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| 20:33.50 | dracc | mofino, best error yet: "SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic failure" |
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| 20:34.13 | mofino | haven't seen that one |
| 20:34.36 | mofino | anyway, you'll have to walk over your config |
| 20:34.43 | bsdbeard | I'm never doing this again |
| 20:34.44 | bsdbeard | Does anyone know if it automatically installs itself or i need to install the .deb's it generated? |
| 20:34.44 | bsdbeard | also why isn't it in wheezy-backports? I managed to compile it with only wheezy in my repositories, nothing from jessie |
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| 20:35.21 | dracc | mofino, probably. I think I found something, don't know how to show postfix version yet though... :( |
| 20:35.45 | dracc | 2.11 should be newer than 2.3 right? |
| 20:35.50 | mofino | heh, let me know if you figure that out |
| 20:35.51 | Hell-Razor | holy hell is there not an easy way to reformat a lvm |
| 20:35.54 | mofino | yeah 2.11 is newer |
| 20:36.16 | mofino | Hell-Razor, reformat LVM? doesn't compute |
| 20:36.30 | Hell-Razor | delete the partitions, whatever |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | Hell-Razor: normally you just delete the logical volumes (LVs) within it, and recreate them. |
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| 20:36.39 | mofino | Hell-Razor, what's the problem? |
| 20:36.41 | Hell-Razor | im still formatting everything |
| 20:36.47 | Hell-Razor | just taking forever |
| 20:36.56 | mofino | ahh ok, complaining helps for sure |
| 20:37.15 | Hell-Razor | something to do i guess |
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| 20:39.33 | bsdbeard | somiaj, Hey, I managed to do it following the steps you've reccomend it, is there any way to request adding it to wheezy-backports so other people don't have to go through with all of this? |
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| 20:41.34 | somiaj | bsdbeard: things added to wheezy-backports are up to the matianer, you could file a wishlist bug or send it to the haskell debian mailing list as a request. My guess is they would remake the backport and not just use the ones you made. |
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| 20:44.19 | bsdbeard | alright |
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| 20:47.22 | Hell-Razor | anybody not use a swap? |
| 20:47.28 | Hell-Razor | i havent used them in a long time |
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| 20:49.02 | somiaj | Hell-Razor: I don't have a swap partition on my desktop. If you have sufficent ram for anything you will be doing you won't use the swap partition. Some think you should have it there incase you go over your memory cap due to memory leaks or if you do use it all up. You will also need a swap partition if you want to hibernate your machine. |
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| 20:49.37 | Hell-Razor | ah yeah hibernate |
| 20:50.45 | bsdbeard | hibernate never worked properly for me on debian |
| 20:50.56 | bsdbeard | It "works" but it takes like 15 minutes to go into hibernation which is ridiculous |
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| 20:51.08 | mileszero | hi @ all |
| 20:51.29 | somiaj | bsdbeard: why, it has to complete write all of the ram to swap, depending on the size of ram (say 16 gigs) this could take a while |
| 20:51.37 | Hell-Razor | bsdbeard: ive never tried it on any nix machine ive had |
| 20:51.53 | dracc | mofino: Thanks for all the help, but I can't seem to make it work. |
| 20:51.54 | somiaj | bsdbeard: Do you maybe want to use suspend instead of hibernate? |
| 20:52.00 | dracc | Guess I'll have to sleep on it. |
| 20:52.11 | bsdbeard | somiaj, I'm only using about ~350mb according to top |
| 20:52.44 | somiaj | bsdbeard: yea I only use suspend myself. Not sure if it has to write all the ram (including cached ram and the like) even if it is not being used when hibernation starts. |
| 20:52.54 | mileszero | I have one question, in openvpn in testing is vulnerable. the freeze is on 05. will ther be an update before ? |
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| 20:54.09 | SynrGy | mileszero: freeze does not mean no uploads. it means no uploads without sufficient justification. |
| 20:54.35 | SynrGy | i don't know the particulars of this case. but the freeze shouldn't prevent it |
| 20:54.58 | mileszero | ok, so security updates also come ? @ SynrGy |
| 20:54.59 | greycat | A known security vulnerability would justify an update, but not necessarily a version bump. They might just patch the version that's already frozen. |
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| 20:55.29 | bsdbeard | somiaj, well from my experiences with... some other operating system it takes about 10 seconds |
| 20:55.40 | SynrGy | and s/uploads/migrations/, sorry about that |
| 20:55.52 | bsdbeard | so it was very surprising when debian took ~15 min |
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| 20:56.18 | mileszero | @ for your info: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-8104 |
| 20:56.38 | mileszero | ok thanks for this info SynrGy |
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| 20:57.18 | somiaj | bsdbeard: Yea I have no experience with it. I'm just glad suspend works. (: |
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| 20:57.49 | Hell-Razor | how can i have the installer gui make a partition span more than one drive |
| 20:57.53 | bsdbeard | somiaj, suspend doesn't completely shut down the computer right? |
| 20:58.04 | Walex2 | somiaj: suspend mostly-works in many-cases |
| 20:58.19 | somiaj | bsdbeard: yea suspend to ram, it still uses some power, depending on the machine it can last a while though. |
| 20:58.33 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: first you change the kernel to allow that, and then you change the installer |
| 20:58.35 | somiaj | Hell-Razor: did you set up LVM? |
| 20:58.58 | Hell-Razor | somiaj: no im still in the install cd |
| 20:59.01 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: oh ok |
| 20:59.03 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: or else you use something like virtualized block devices like MD RAID, DM RAID or LVM2. |
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| 20:59.26 | somiaj | the install CD gives you option to use LVM, if you aren't using something like LVM or RAID you can't make a partition extend to more than one disk |
| 20:59.31 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: MD RAID, DM RAID and LVM2 are all supported by the installer |
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| 20:59.44 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: im doing lvm |
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| 21:00.05 | Hell-Razor | ive just never used it before so im clueless |
| 21:01.02 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: than what you need to tell the installer is that the two partitions are two "physical volumes", then the two physical volumes are part of the same volume group, then you allocate logical volumes in the volume group, ecven just one that occupies the whole space. |
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| 21:01.48 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: those are the technical terms. Searching the web with those and appropriate other keywords will show you installer-specific details. probably the Debian wiki has got a whole page on setting up LVM2 at installation. |
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| 21:02.14 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: note that setting up a logical volume across two disks can be a bit dangerous. |
| 21:02.39 | greycat | It increases the chance of a failure, since if *either* disk goes out, you lose the whole partition. |
| 21:02.49 | Hell-Razor | yeah i havent really sat down and focused on it. im starting to finally settle down |
| 21:03.05 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: perhaps you can be a bit daring and leave it until later, and put both partitions under the control of the new BTRFS filesystem that gives you some easy ways to control redundancy |
| 21:03.33 | Walex2 | wonders whether the installer supports BTRFS straightaway. |
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| 21:03.44 | Hell-Razor | what about setting up two partitions at one point? i thought i did something like that way back when and when X filled up it went to Y |
| 21:04.01 | hramrach_ | I don't need a fstab but I blew my environment /o\ |
| 21:04.25 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: you can do that: just two separate areas that you mount as two different directories. |
| 21:04.45 | hramrach_ | cannot boot from SD card because there is no place to store the variable that tells the bois to boot from there :s |
| 21:05.05 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: hmm i thought it was possible to do something like that.. i dont know im like losing it. not enough sleep and too much coffee |
| 21:05.14 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: but if you really want the convenience of a single area, just create the two partitions at install time, and leave them unformatted, and then format them with BTRFS and read some nice intro for BTRFS |
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| 21:05.50 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: i kind of want to run some things as reiser lol |
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| 21:06.43 | greycat | Unless the things you want on reiser are part of the operating system (/usr, /var/, etc.) you can always just do that after installation. |
| 21:06.47 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: it is very good too, but it does not have multiple-partition management builtin and BTRFS does |
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| 21:07.35 | Hell-Razor | greycat: thats what i pretty much want it as... or i could always move the files away, format and move them back |
| 21:07.44 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: yeah |
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| 21:07.49 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: and thanks for your help too by the way |
| 21:08.18 | greycat | I don't really understand why you want /usr or /var on reiser, but OK... it's your box. |
| 21:08.53 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: your options seem to be 1) you do multiple partition management the hard way with MD or DM/LVM2 and then put on top of that ReiserFS or whatever. 2) Do simplified multiple partition management with BTRFS 3) no multiple partition management, just independent multiple partitions mounted in different places. |
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| 21:09.41 | Walex2 | greycat: ReiserFS is very suitable for '/usr/' and '/var/' because it handles lots of small files well, and it has also been quite robust and well tested for a while. |
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| 21:10.00 | greycat | I don't think /usr has "lots of small files" typically |
| 21:10.13 | greycat | I guess /var *could* depending on what you do |
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| 21:10.33 | Walex2 | greycat: headers, libraries, doc files, icons, '.desktop's, |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | libraries are not small |
| 21:10.48 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: ive never ran btrf or lvm before. when i was really in my linux days btrfs was the devil because it liked to eat parts of files and leave the rest there. lvm was so unstable not many people at it going. im "old school" if that makes sense. |
| 21:10.52 | Walex2 | greycat: depends on the library :-) |
| 21:11.00 | greycat | I don't know what a .desktop is, but the rest... not exactly small either. |
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| 21:11.58 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: so you woul recommend i just format the drives as btrfs (minus boot) and go from there? |
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| 21:12.09 | Walex2 | greycat: my '/' has 15GB and 600,000 inodes. |
| 21:12.26 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: that currently is very feasible. |
| 21:12.39 | greycat | Walex2: sounds like you should have created some dedicated file systems |
| 21:13.01 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: if you are not very familiar with hardcore MD and DM/LVM2 that gives you simplified multiple partitions/drive management |
| 21:13.21 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: no not at all |
| 21:13.28 | Hell-Razor | so let me erase everything i just did lol and restart |
| 21:13.41 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: BTRFS currently works pretty well. Its multiple partitions management is simplified but you still need to understand a bit what the consequences are. |
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| 21:13.58 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: wait a sec |
| 21:14.02 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: yeah i was reading up on it |
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| 21:14.16 | Hell-Razor | it seems it likes to expand more than it likes to retract |
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| 21:15.14 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: a slightly uncommon but reasonable setup in your case would be 2 partitions: one for '/' including '/boot', a plain one, and that could well be ReiserFS. The second partition could well be a BTRFS managed one. |
| 21:15.22 | greycat | Looks like my /usr has a fairly even split of files that are <4K and >4K bytes |
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| 21:15.45 | Walex2 | greycat: yes, that 50% files less than one block is pretty small-file oriented. |
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| 21:16.13 | Walex2 | greycat: note that "small" can be considered also "up to a few blocks", e.g. 8-32KiB accoridng to taste. |
| 21:16.14 | somiaj | are those a lot of files or just links? |
| 21:16.18 | greycat | Still, if they're like... 3k... you don't gain much. |
| 21:16.22 | Walex2 | somiaj: actually inodes. |
| 21:16.35 | Walex2 | greycat: it is not the space saving, it is mostly saving random seeks. |
| 21:16.38 | greycat | somiaj: in my case I tested with find . -path ./local -prune -o -type f -size +4k | wc -l |
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| 21:16.58 | somiaj | yea I was tying to think of what the small things were, forgot about all the small text files that float around in /usr |
| 21:17.07 | greycat | If I let it recurse into /usr/local then the ratio of big:small becomes higher. Most of the smaller files are in Debian itself, not in my /usr/local. |
| 21:17.12 | Hell-Razor | so like sda (/, /boot) sdb (/home as reiser), sdc (all btrfs) and sdd (all btrfs)? |
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| 21:17.48 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: I prefer to have multiple copies of '/' if space allows, and mirror them nighly with RSYNC. |
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| 21:18.16 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: how big is your / |
| 21:18.23 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: e.g. my current standard is '/' being 25GiB, which is not that much on a typical 1-2TB disk |
| 21:18.39 | Hell-Razor | i have 4 3 tb drives |
| 21:18.42 | Hell-Razor | i could do a raid |
| 21:19.05 | greycat | That would be a very common choice (and for good reason). |
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| 21:19.10 | Hell-Razor | im making this much more difficult than it needs to be though lol |
| 21:19.13 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: yes, that BTRFS can do a RAID for you too, that's part of "multiple volume management". |
| 21:19.43 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: consider this as a somewhat unusual but probably easy-to-manage arrangement: |
| 21:19.44 | teraflops | loves btrf send |
| 21:20.10 | Walex2 | teraflops: that's one of the more "advanced" bits of BTRFS :-) |
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| 21:20.21 | Bsims | so how does btrfs compare to zfs |
| 21:20.26 | Hell-Razor | teraflops: ive never ran btrfs |
| 21:20.33 | Walex2 | teraflops: BTW I also discovered recently 'lvmsync' which is quite interesting in a grittier way. |
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| 21:21.08 | Walex2 | Bsims: much the same, a bit simpler, a bit lower overhead, somewhat less well oiled, a bit less resource intensive |
| 21:21.17 | Bsims | nods ok |
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| 21:21.46 | bsdbeard | Walex2, lvmsync? |
| 21:21.58 | teraflops | Hell-Razor: i started to use instead of lvm a bit ago on production, by now im not regreting |
| 21:22.20 | Hell-Razor | teraflops: huh |
| 21:22.29 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: possible setup: 'sda' and 'sdb' with 25GB ReiserFS partition+rest of disk partition for BTRFS, the rest just one large BTRFS partition, or same, and you g |
| 21:22.54 | teraflops | Bsims: zfs is a ram eater but i think is awesome |
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| 21:23.20 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: there is the question of whether you want encrypted, in which case I'd create another partition on all/some disks. |
| 21:23.39 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: no not encrypted. im not that anal about security |
| 21:23.44 | Bsims | teraflops: Well if you can run it on less than 2 gigs of ram... ya just lose dedupe and something else I cant remember atm |
| 21:24.06 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: your installation can be just to the '/' partition of 25GiB on 'sda', once it is installed you can configure eveything else with much nicer tools than the installer. |
| 21:24.07 | Zerock | I just gave $40 to the FSF for the December fund. Join me! |
| 21:24.43 | Walex2 | Zerock: I have given to FSF, Debian, KDE and a few others. If you want something to keep existing, donate to it. |
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| 21:24.56 | Zerock | Walex2: +1 |
| 21:24.59 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: ill do that... i think ill just have it setup everything on sda and not touch sdb,c or d |
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| 21:25.32 | Hell-Razor | ext4 still the go to for / ? |
| 21:25.46 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: yes, then it is convenient for you to create the second partition on 'sda' with the installer so you don't have to reboot once more. |
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| 21:25.51 | Bsims | Hell-Razor: yeah why be a test-bunny |
| 21:26.07 | Hell-Razor | no lvm Walex2? |
| 21:26.08 | Zerock | Hell-Razor: I am moving to XFS lately. Just depends on your setup. ext4 is best if you don't know about file systems. |
| 21:26.16 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: I don't like 'ext4'. If you like ReiserFS, '/' as ReiserFS is quite a good choice. |
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| 21:26.41 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: if you use BTRFS you get almost all of that LVM2 does, and perhaps more simply. |
| 21:26.49 | Bsims | Zerock: I went with ZFS root on my freebsd VM seems really slick... I've ran ReiserFS |
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| 21:27.11 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: i love reiser.. so do two partitions on sda then or just one? |
| 21:27.14 | Zerock | Bsims: Never done ZFS. Linux #1 kernel. :P |
| 21:27.29 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: if you have 3GB disks, don't be shy, put 50GB on '/' |
| 21:27.37 | bsdbeard | Bsims, yeah but you can't access ZFS from linux |
| 21:27.43 | dontknow | i backported alsa-base from testing and installed. i want to remove it and install the default package again. how can i do that? |
| 21:27.44 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: i was going to do 150 lol |
| 21:27.44 | bsdbeard | kind of problematic |
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| 21:27.48 | Zerock | Walex2: 50 GB out of 3 GB? |
| 21:27.50 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: that's fine too. |
| 21:27.55 | Hell-Razor | Zerock: he means tb |
| 21:27.58 | Bsims | bsdbeard: I think its supported in FUSE |
| 21:28.04 | bsdbeard | oh? |
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| 21:28.31 | Walex2 | there is a native high speed implementattion of ZFS for Linux, it just cannot be integrated in the kernel, must be distributed separately. |
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| 21:28.40 | Zerock | bsdbeard: Yes. You can get a userspace driver, but you can't have it in kernelspace because licenses. That's one of the reasons one might use Debian GNU+kFreeBSD. |
| 21:28.57 | Walex2 | a large university uses native ZFS-for-Linux to run a large AFS fileservice. |
| 21:29.25 | Walex2 | Zerock: no, you can have it in kernelspace as a user, but it cannot be *distributed* inside the kernel. |
| 21:29.33 | Zerock | Aha. |
| 21:29.54 | Bsims | I still can't help but think of benders line about blackjack when I think btrfs vs zfs |
| 21:30.05 | Zerock | You'll make your own fs? |
| 21:30.15 | Bsims | Zerock: Yeah thats the one |
| 21:30.35 | bsdbeard | Walex2, is it because it has a bsd license? |
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| 21:30.38 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: yes, do a 50G/100G/150G partition on 'sda' and probably identical on 'sdb', and then put in 'crontab' an 'rsync' between the two copies of root. |
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| 21:30.54 | piklu | What do I use to schedule jobs on debian - once every second? |
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| 21:30.58 | Zerock | Some colleagues of mine and I were going to make a board game engine and call it "blackjack and hookers". We went with Nixopoly instead. :P |
| 21:31.20 | Walex2 | bsdbeard: no, it is has a solaris compatible license that is fully free sw but incompatible with the GPL. |
| 21:31.26 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 21:31.33 | Zerock | piklu: What do you need to have a once-per-second job for? |
| 21:31.34 | cafuego | piklu: A drawing board to go back to... what are you trying to run? |
| 21:31.41 | bsdbeard | thanks stallman :( |
| 21:31.49 | Bsims | bsdbeard: actually zfs has the CDDL and you can't mix CDDL and GPL |
| 21:31.49 | Walex2 | bsdbeard: no, thanks Sun ;-) |
| 21:31.54 | piklu | zerock : scraping a live data feed |
| 21:31.58 | Zerock | Walex2: +1 |
| 21:32.06 | Zerock | piklu: Make a shell script? |
| 21:32.13 | piklu | cafuego: live data feed - python job already made |
| 21:32.16 | Zerock | Or pay me to write a Python script. :P |
| 21:32.23 | piklu | Zerock: I have a python script |
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| 21:32.37 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: ok, i am not sure what a crontab is |
| 21:32.38 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: so for now just install to a Reiserfs you create as 'sda1' and then do the rest as BTRFS. |
| 21:32.43 | Zerock | And the Python script does the scraping? |
| 21:32.45 | cafuego | piklu: every *second* ? Eep. Does it store its scraped data in a file or database? |
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| 21:32.52 | piklu | Zerock: Yes it does |
| 21:32.52 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: there is no reiser in the install cd |
| 21:32.55 | greycat | piklu: while sleep 1; do whatever; done |
| 21:32.57 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: a file that contains a list of scripts to execute at given times. |
| 21:33.02 | piklu | cafuego: file. but it can do db as well |
| 21:33.04 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: that is sad. |
| 21:33.10 | Zerock | piklu: So make another script to call that script every second and let it go. |
| 21:33.13 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: oh a daemon |
| 21:33.13 | Bsims | piklu: something clever involving tee might work |
| 21:33.21 | Zerock | piklu: Put it in a screen session or something so you can later kill it. |
| 21:33.29 | piklu | greycat : what if ur parent is killed |
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| 21:33.32 | Zerock | piklu: Or make an init script and start it as a service. |
| 21:33.41 | cafuego | piklu: You're probably looking at a looping script or a loop in python that spawns a thread every second. |
| 21:33.44 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: you can default to 'ext4'... it is not the best anymore but still decent. |
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| 21:33.59 | greycat | piklu: if you want your service to restart upon being killed, run it under a supervisor (daemontools, runit, systemd, something) |
| 21:34.13 | Zerock | ^ |
| 21:34.20 | piklu | greycat : got that - and loop it |
| 21:34.43 | cafuego | piklu: The ptoblem you may have is that thread n+1 might finish before thread n if there's a network issue, so your output data no longer matches - or two threads might write to the file at the same time. |
| 21:34.54 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: then you create the other partitions, add them to be managed by BTRFS, and then decide which stuff to put there. |
| 21:35.11 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: k |
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| 21:35.21 | dontknow | i want to remove backported libasound2 package but i can't remove it. how can i remove it and install the default one? |
| 21:35.25 | cafuego | piklu: If there's only ever one running copy, what greycat suggested should work fine. |
| 21:35.50 | Walex2 | dontknow: that's not really supported but it ought to work. Use special option to allow installing an "old package" |
| 21:36.10 | dontknow | Walex2, how? |
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| 21:36.24 | piklu | cafuego: Can do with 1 copy for now |
| 21:36.29 | dontknow | Walex2, i backported that package |
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| 21:36.43 | Walex2 | dontknow: depends whether you use 'dpkg', 'apt-get' or 'aptitude'. Not sure whether Synaptic can do it. |
| 21:36.57 | dontknow | Walex2, i used dpkg -i to install it |
| 21:37.01 | Walex2 | dontknow: does not that that *you* backported it. |
| 21:37.13 | Walex2 | dontknow: then you can do it a bit dirty this way: |
| 21:37.17 | Hell-Razor | im all confused now Walex2 |
| 21:37.39 | Walex2 | dontknow: force-remove (no deps) with 'dpkg' and then 'apt-get' install the right one. |
| 21:37.57 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: why? I think the setup I suggested is the simplest you can do |
| 21:38.12 | dontknow | Walex2, could you tell me the exact command to force remove please |
| 21:38.27 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: i agree but am i still doing a 50,100,150 on both drives? |
| 21:38.49 | Walex2 | dontknow: 'dpkg --force-help' :-) |
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| 21:39.49 | SynrG | dontknow: also, we can't possibly advise you on that without having seen the command you typed that failed, and the full output of it |
| 21:39.51 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: the 50G/100G/150G is for the first partition, the second should be everything else (but I prefer to leave something like 1-4GB unallocated at the end. |
| 21:40.11 | Walex2 | dontknow: so probably 'dpkg --force-depends ...' in your case. |
| 21:40.16 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: 1.5 tb is not allocated on one of the disks for a rainy day |
| 21:40.52 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: that can be a good idea, or you leave 300-400GB unallocated on every disk |
| 21:41.21 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: but wait a moment: how do you do backups? :-) |
| 21:41.34 | Hell-Razor | backups? what are those |
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| 21:42.03 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: what about keeping one of the disks aside for backing up the most important stuff? |
| 21:42.04 | Hell-Razor | ok 3 partitions done on sda and 3 are done on sdb... im not touching the freespace on the rest of the drives |
| 21:42.32 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: i have a 2tb external that i could cron to |
| 21:42.33 | dontknow | Walex2, i use "sudo dpkg --force-depends libasound2" it says need an action option |
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| 21:42.51 | SynrG | naturally |
| 21:43.00 | dontknow | should i use -i? |
| 21:43.04 | greycat | -i is install |
| 21:43.04 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: I tend to use eSATA/USB3 with a "dock" to do backups... |
| 21:43.18 | greycat | are you trying to install libasound2? or remove it? |
| 21:43.33 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: what i have |
| 21:43.38 | Walex2 | dontknow: I try usually to assume a bit of initiative on your part, "tell me the exact command" is not something I have a lot of sympathy for... |
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| 21:43.54 | dontknow | greycat, i backported it and installed along with alsa-base. i want to remove them and install the default ones on wheezy |
| 21:44.10 | greycat | if you want to remove it, then you would not use the -i (install) option |
| 21:44.14 | Walex2 | greycat: he is trying to remove a self-compiler backport and downgrade to the 'stable' version. |
| 21:44.16 | greycat | you would use a remove option |
| 21:44.39 | Hell-Razor | alright 100gb, 100gb, 150gb on a and b |
| 21:44.51 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: but why? |
| 21:44.51 | Hell-Razor | time to finish this setup now that ive been picking around partitioning for like two hours |
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| 21:44.57 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: sorry I was not clear |
| 21:45.01 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: but why what |
| 21:45.23 | SynrG | incidentally, this should be just a downgrade ... so forcing shouldn't be needed |
| 21:45.30 | SynrG | not unless you seriously botched the backport. |
| 21:45.38 | cafuego | Hell-Razor: udev and rsnapshot are a nice way to maintain a backup on an external drive |
| 21:45.44 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: I would have done partition 1: 100G, partition 2: 2900G |
| 21:45.47 | SynrG | so just apt-get install packagename=version as usual |
| 21:45.55 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 21:45.56 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:45.58 | cafuego | Hell-Razor: Note that just running rsync is *NOT* a sensible backup strategy. |
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| 21:46.02 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: or perhaps partition 1: 100G, partition 2: 2600G |
| 21:46.02 | greycat | Sounds like the real problem is that he's trying to "remove newer A and then install older A" instead of just "install older A". |
| 21:46.08 | Hell-Razor | Walex2: can still be done, havent written yet |
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| 21:46.26 | Walex2 | greycat: I warned him that is not supported... But probavbly will work for ALSA libs |
| 21:46.28 | dontknow | SynrG, how can i do that? |
| 21:46.31 | SynrG | i don't know *what* the real problem is. he's been tight-lipped about it, providing no output |
| 21:46.37 | Phil_Markham | Hi all. I've got debian running on a reflashed consumer-grade NAS box that has no sound hardware. What I'd to do is set up the OS in a way that would mean that sound would be sent over the network to a seperate receiver either via DLNA or Airplay. Does anyone know if that's even possible if there's no audio hardware in my NAS box? |
| 21:46.43 | dontknow | SynrG, let me paste |
| 21:46.44 | SynrG | so i'm just giving up now. bye |
| 21:46.50 | dontknow | oh! |
| 21:46.53 | SynrG | suppertime anyway. others can help |
| 21:47.11 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: yes. |
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| 21:47.46 | Walex2 | Hell-Razor: you could do 100G, 2600G on all your disks actually. |
| 21:47.46 | Phil_Markham | Walex2: Great! Do you have any pointers? |
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| 21:48.03 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: search for "network sound server" |
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| 21:48.16 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: search for "network sound server linux OPR debian" |
| 21:48.20 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: search for "network sound server linux OR debian" |
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| 21:48.42 | Phil_Markham | Walex2: Thanks, it's good to have a name for what I'm trying to do. I'll have a search around. Thanks again |
| 21:48.50 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: note that DLNA or AirPlay specifically may be a bit optimistic... |
| 21:49.32 | Walex2 | Phil_Markham: have you considered a USB sound card? Or BlueTooth speakers with perhaps a USB BlueTooth thingie? |
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| 21:50.15 | dontknow | Walex2, when i apt-get install libasound it gives me this error https://paste.debian.net/134805/ |
| 21:50.20 | dontknow | libasound2 |
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| 21:52.55 | Phil_Markham | Walex2: I'm hoping to have a web interface to play Spotify via my surround sound AV Receiver in another room and my hacked-up NAS box is the nearest thing I have to an always on server that could act as the libspotify interface & sound server. I'm open to getting extra hardware if I need to - but plugging speakers directly (or via USB soundcard) isn't currently part of the plan |
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| 21:53.21 | dontknow | oh no! apt-get install -f tells me there is no need the whole installed packages (almost whole system) anymore! i just fucked the system |
| 21:53.58 | Phil_Markham | Walex2: It sounds like pulseaudio-raop2 might do what I'm hoping, so I'll have a play with that and see where I end up |
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| 22:00.30 | Walex2 | dontknow: it actually is perfectly fine |
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| 22:00.42 | Walex2 | dontknow too bad you panicked. |
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| 22:01.31 | Hell-Razor | after all that |
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| 22:01.38 | Hell-Razor | the configure package manager failed |
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| 22:17.30 | RayzrShrp | does anyone know how vmware-tools dynamicly changes the resolution of debian running as a guest? |
| 22:17.50 | RayzrShrp | gnome seems to handle it but say xorg and openbox it does not |
| 22:18.03 | RayzrShrp | trying to figure out where to look to find what enables this functionality |
| 22:18.39 | Bsims | RayzrShrp: no idea I simply used xrandr to add the resolution I needed |
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| 22:19.21 | RayzrShrp | Bsims: yes that works but this is done auto so no matter what computer I connect from it resizes |
| 22:19.38 | Bsims | No clue RayzrShrp |
| 22:19.38 | RayzrShrp | Bsims: i remote desktop into my house and then on that I run vmware running debian |
| 22:19.47 | Bsims | check the unity settings maybe |
| 22:19.53 | RayzrShrp | its not unity |
| 22:19.57 | RayzrShrp | this is fullscreen |
| 22:20.05 | Bsims | Hrm... no clue sorry |
| 22:20.17 | RayzrShrp | ok ill try the vmware forums maybe |
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| 22:24.52 | tpo | hello, how does searching bug reports on http://b.d.o work these days? When I search for bugs "submitted by" myself I don't find any, allthough there are plenty open ones. ? |
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| 22:27.28 | abrotman | tpo: it works fine for me .. it's based on your email address |
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| 22:28.11 | tpo | abrotman, check this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;submitter=tpo%40sourcepole.ch |
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| 22:28.29 | tdlx | hello all |
| 22:28.41 | tdlx | any way to delete old kernels without using DPKG? |
| 22:28.50 | abrotman | tdlx: yes, use apt-get or aptitude |
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| 22:29.08 | abrotman | tpo: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;submitter=tpo%40sourcepole.ch |
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| 22:29.45 | tdlx | My /boot got saturated with old kernek and one update failed badly because of that. Now when i want to purge old kernels, it says i have to run DPKG --configure -a first, but when running the command, it says it cant run it because space is missing;.. |
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| 22:30.04 | tdlx | any ideas? Is there a manual way to bypass aptitude? |
| 22:30.09 | tdlx | abrotman: |
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| 22:30.12 | tpo | abrotman, uff, you're right. Seems like I've been using a different email address for all of my bugreports. Thanks and sorry for the noise |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | tdlx: you can just 'rm' the kernels if you want |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | tpo: Good luck |
| 22:30.36 | tdlx | abrotman: wont it mess with GRUB then? |
| 22:30.50 | abrotman | tdlx: not until you run update-grub |
| 22:30.51 | tdlx | abrotman: and where can i find them? in /boot? |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | tdlx: yes, in /boot/ |
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| 22:32.29 | tdlx | abrotman: do the kernels appear under "initrd.img-2.6.32-21-generic"? because typically when listing the kernels they are names linux************ |
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| 22:33.41 | tdlx | abrotman: plus, they appear rather small, C; 13MB per file |
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| 22:37.06 | cjohn | abrotman: hi abrotman! what a joy to see you online! |
| 22:37.09 | cjohn | I got a question concerning debian setup! |
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| 22:55.54 | dgeary2 | request assistance troubleshooting gdm3 crash when multiple keyboard layouts are specified on kernel command line (using live-config) |
| 22:56.18 | dgeary2 | ^ on wheezy |
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| 22:59.54 | debia | hi |
| 23:00.12 | debia | is this the debian channel? |
| 23:00.43 | rudi_s | It's a Debian channel. |
| 23:01.39 | eb0t | yes debia this is the debian channel |
| 23:02.28 | debia | good |
| 23:02.37 | debia | during debian setup I can choose whether to use local or utc timezone. |
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| 23:02.55 | debia | is it safe to select the right local time? will the hw clock still use utc (which is better)? |
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| 23:05.11 | eurobit | never bad to know what the real time is |
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| 23:06.22 | debia | yep |
| 23:06.35 | debia | already syncing with ntp, but this wouldn't help when the system time is accidentally skewed |
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| 23:08.19 | `Kevin | debia: its still UTC |
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| 23:09.00 | `Kevin | > sync_hwclock |
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| 23:09.53 | Miesco | Hi, how do I get rid of all things gnome? |
| 23:10.09 | Miesco | remove gtk? |
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| 23:10.34 | debia | apt-get autoremove gnome-thing? |
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| 23:10.41 | debia | apt-get autoremove --purge gnome-thing |
| 23:10.46 | debia | oh, but be careful!!! |
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| 23:11.37 | Miesco | debia: That will remove all gnome applications? |
| 23:12.26 | Miesco | I removed 'gnome' package... did nothing. I installed gnome hoping it would set A flag for all the packages... |
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| 23:13.22 | `Kevin | whats wrong with gnome* |
| 23:13.24 | `Kevin | :P |
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| 23:14.06 | debia | Miesco: dpkg --get-selections | grep 'gnome' |
| 23:14.19 | eurobit | Miesco: you gonna replace gnome with fluxbox? good choice |
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| 23:18.14 | Miesco | eurobit: No I am not |
| 23:18.39 | Miesco | `Kevin: What is wrong with gnome? It uses a mouse. |
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| 23:19.01 | `Kevin | Miesco: I mean uninstalling using * ;) |
| 23:19.33 | `Kevin | to match ^gnome*..... thou it wouldnt exactly pull everything ... debian's get-selections is a better route |
| 23:19.40 | `Kevin | debia's* |
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| 23:19.54 | somiaj | gnome is a very large collection of packages, if they are not marked as auto, you may have to just remove what you don't want. Note hd space is usually large these days so having gnome packages installed and not running them is fine. |
| 23:20.40 | Miesco | somiaj: I just went to the gnome category in aptitude and hit '-' |
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| 23:21.24 | somiaj | That could work, note even if you run fluxbox or a wm you may want some gnome applications like pigdin, evince (just silly examples) that depend on the gnome libs so you may find you want to keep some of the gnome libs around |
| 23:21.54 | somiaj | so removeing all packages that are from gnome or have gnome in the name may remove more than you want |
| 23:22.19 | Miesco | somiaj: All I need is iceweasel and zathura and vim and mutt and irssi |
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| 23:23.08 | `Kevin | Miesco: gotta do that advanced install -> minimal next time ;) |
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| 23:23.33 | somiaj | don't really need to do advanced to get a minimial install, just don't select 'desktop enviorment' at the end |
| 23:23.52 | eurobit | aren't gnome libs really gtk2 libs? |
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| 23:24.27 | somiaj | eurobit: there is cross over, but yes a lot of apps from gnome depend both on gtk and gconf -- it is the gconf dependency that annoys me personally |
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| 23:24.42 | somiaj | I would say there are plenty of non gtk2/3 gnome libs thought |
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| 23:27.24 | MadHatter42 | i just configured vsftpd |
| 23:27.52 | MadHatter42 | but I still cant set up the jailing |
| 23:27.55 | MadHatter42 | and chrooting |
| 23:28.13 | MadHatter42 | when someone logs in they can see all the dirs |
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| 23:33.43 | and0r | hello everyone |
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| 23:35.40 | user1026 | what's the difference between the debian lxde cd 1 and debian cd 1? |
| 23:37.37 | user1026 | #flood |
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| 23:50.46 | sn00p | How do I send a user that is not logged in a message |
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| 23:51.12 | debia | How can I find out what boot loader is used on a given system (e.g. grub 1 or 2 or lilo thing)? |
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| 23:53.09 | debia | package grub-common and grub-legacy. How can I find out whether it is grub 1 or 2? |
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| 23:59.16 | eurobit | sn00p: email? |
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| 23:59.30 | sn00p | no just system msg |