| 00:00.18 | amizya | Hello guys, I have a problem with ssh output. When I execute a command on my distant server I don't get the full output only ~100 first chars and when I press a key it shows the rest |
| 00:00.24 | amizya | Any solutions ? |
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| 00:04.24 | Malcolm | What do you think, guys? http://payripo.com/?share=7080 Is this real or just another bullshit? |
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| 00:09.27 | dabhash | how do i get jvm 1.7+ |
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| 00:10.51 | shadok | dabhash: https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
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| 00:11.14 | dabhash | sucks theres no java8 |
| 00:12.31 | dabhash | i dont see how to get the new jvm on that link |
| 00:12.37 | dabhash | i have the openjdk 7 |
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| 00:12.46 | dabhash | maybe restarting might help |
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| 00:13.20 | shadok | dabhash: use the package java-package to build the version you want from oracle |
| 00:13.39 | dabhash | ok |
| 00:14.16 | shadok | dabhash: and you can use update-java-alternatives to set the default one |
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| 00:17.03 | debia | How can I find out what answers were given during setup on a debian system? |
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| 00:20.22 | tpo | debia, I think wrt debconf the answers are here /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 00:21.27 | shadok | debia: debconf-get-selections should give you those iirc |
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| 00:26.11 | debia | yep |
| 00:26.12 | debia | it works now |
| 00:26.15 | debia | hurra |
| 00:26.17 | debia | thanks |
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| 00:32.54 | dabhash | shadok: im using https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage as you said and ive gotten up to step 4 with the new java8 tar |
| 00:33.12 | dabhash | on step 5 idk what to throw in for dpkg attr |
| 00:33.22 | dabhash | since its java8. would you know? |
| 00:33.41 | dabhash | attributes* |
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| 00:34.33 | dabhash | oracle-j2sdk.sh exists in my usr/share/java-package |
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| 00:36.05 | t4nk417 | Looking for some help with a dedicated server I rent. Lately my bandwidth speeds have been nowhere near its 1GBit connection. I was wondering if there is some troubleshooting I could do to try find out the issue. |
| 00:36.49 | t4nk417 | I have contacted my provider and then are not showing any issues on their end. |
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| 00:38.15 | dabhash | so my question is how do i find the binaries created with java-pkg |
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| 00:39.11 | shadok | dabhash: i don't think you need anything to make it work but there may be some optional attributes ; the package should be in the directory where you launched make-jpkg |
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| 00:41.51 | incal_ | anyone heard of a device to measure som physical property, heat perhaps, doesn't have to be advanced, which can be plugged in to the USB and then controlled (read) from the command line? |
| 00:42.00 | dabhash | shadok: i installed the java binaries in download as .tar and i ran make-jpkg in downloads/ but i dont see any additional files there |
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| 00:42.43 | dabhash | in step 5, its lookin for a .deb so is that supposed to be made by java-pkg in the directory i executed the make-jpkg from? |
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| 00:43.13 | shadok | dabhash: yup, it should be there iirc |
| 00:43.26 | dabhash | weird its not htere |
| 00:43.41 | dabhash | ill try the make once more |
| 00:43.41 | debia | t4nk417: you don't use a fancy cloud instance and fancy app virtualization?!!! :D |
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| 00:44.10 | shadok | dabhash: make sure you don't have any error with make-jpkg |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.WsAZGE2rIg |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | Loading plugins: /usr/share/java-package/common.sh /usr/share/java-package/j2re.sh /usr/share/java-package/j2sdk-doc.sh /usr/share/java-package/j2sdk.sh /usr/share/java-package/j2se.sh /usr/share/java-package/oracle-j2re.sh /usr/share/java-package/oracle-j2sdk-doc.sh /usr/share/java-package/oracle-j2sdk.sh |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | Detected Debian build architecture: amd64 |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | Detected Debian GNU type: x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | No matching plugin was found. |
| 00:45.57 | dabhash | Removing temporary directory: done |
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| 00:46.05 | shadok | incal_: arduino have many such little measurement devices but i don't think they come with usb connectivity |
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| 00:46.40 | t4nk417 | lol debia no I don't I rather do that all on my own |
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| 00:47.02 | shadok | incal_: an example: http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18B20.html |
| 00:47.15 | incal_ | shadok: OK, but how then do you use them from the computer? |
| 00:47.21 | incal_ | shadok: checking out the URL now |
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| 00:47.47 | hashdab | shadok: http://paste.debian.net/134818/ |
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| 00:47.54 | hashdab | heres the output from the make |
| 00:48.19 | shadok | incal_: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10809 |
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| 00:49.06 | hashdab | does that look like it's ok? |
| 00:49.26 | Waxhead | Hi, I have nothing against systemd (yet) but in fear of setting off a flamewar I just have to ask. Since systemd is lisenced under LGPL and as I have understand it act as a "wrapper" around many kernel functions if you so wish... does this not potentially open a way of easily avoiding the GPL and thus making it easier to write closed source programs |
| 00:50.34 | dondelelcaro | Waxhead: that logic applies to basically anything which is LGPLed |
| 00:50.46 | shadok | hashdab: i don't think so, i found a bug about that but i can't test that right now: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597294 |
| 00:51.04 | Waxhead | dondelelcaro: yup, but since systemd is becomming such a vital part is this not a concern ? |
| 00:51.27 | hashdab | shadok: thanks brotha. at least i know its a bug |
| 00:51.41 | shadok | hashdab: make sure the regex in make-jpkg script matches the name of your tar archive |
| 00:51.52 | hashdab | it does |
| 00:52.01 | shadok | hashdab: if that's your problem you just have to modify the script or rename the tar file |
| 00:52.51 | hashdab | shadok: just renamed but same problem |
| 00:53.05 | hashdab | no new files in the directory i executed make-jpkg |
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| 00:54.19 | shadok | hashdab: maybe have a look in /tmp, other than that i don't see what's the problem could be |
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| 00:55.00 | hashdab | shadok: still no bueno |
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| 00:56.06 | hashdab | i dont mean to bother you but if you could try with java 8 and see how it worsks for you maybe youll tackle it quicker. my 2nd day with debian |
| 00:56.27 | shadok | hashdab: 'bash -x make-jpkg' could help you debug |
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| 00:56.57 | hashdab | is that a root only ? |
| 00:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Waxhead: not really. |
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| 00:57.14 | shadok | nope, make-jpkg requires you to NOT be root |
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| 00:57.31 | shadok | hashdab: but ther is a message in make-jpkg to alert you about that |
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| 00:58.41 | hashdab | right |
| 00:58.43 | hashdab | just wondering |
| 00:58.47 | hashdab | i didnt use it in root |
| 00:59.21 | hashdab | i asked because |
| 00:59.27 | hashdab | the bash command you send me didnt work shadok |
| 01:00.18 | hashdab | wait it did |
| 01:00.21 | hashdab | my typo |
| 01:00.33 | shadok | make sure you set the right path to make-jpkg , try with 'bash -x `which make-jpkg`$TAR_FILE' |
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| 01:00.56 | shadok | and sorry but i don't have a debian on hand right now |
| 01:01.27 | hashdab | http://paste.debian.net/134819/ |
| 01:01.30 | hashdab | shadok |
| 01:01.31 | hashdab | thats the output |
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| 01:02.06 | shadok | hashdab: you have to give him the tar file as argument |
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| 01:02.22 | hashdab | ok |
| 01:03.07 | hashdab | bash -x `which make-jpkg`$java8.tar.gz |
| 01:03.10 | hashdab | like that? |
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| 01:04.45 | hashdab | shadok: or would i just have $TAR_FILE |
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| 01:05.45 | shadok | hashdab: put the full name of your tar file, i'm only giving you an example |
| 01:06.10 | shadok | without the $ sign |
| 01:06.12 | hashdab | ok |
| 01:07.47 | hashdab | bash -x 'which make-jpkg'java8.tar.gz didnt work shadok. |
| 01:07.53 | hashdab | does bash need to be in quotes too? |
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| 01:09.17 | debia | no |
| 01:09.18 | shadok | try that without quotes, it should as it worked as seen in your last paste "bash -x make-jpkg java8.tar.gz" |
| 01:09.38 | debia | commands are usually notated with `` (backticks) |
| 01:09.42 | debia | `command to execute` |
| 01:09.47 | debia | or with user context |
| 01:09.50 | debia | $ command to execute |
| 01:09.53 | debia | # command to execute (root) |
| 01:11.01 | shadok | debia: except i used backticks to find the full path of make-jpkg in that case, but you're right :) |
| 01:11.38 | debia | of course it depends :D |
| 01:11.55 | hashdab | shadok: got it brotha, heres the output: http://paste.debian.net/134820/ |
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| 01:14.07 | shadok | hashdab: i'm not sure you executed my last command, it seems to me you executed something like bash -x `which make-jpkg java8.tar.gz`, try my last command: bash -x make-jpkg java8.tar.gz |
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| 01:15.55 | hashdab | shadok: youre right, heres the correct output http://paste.debian.net/134821/ |
| 01:16.00 | hashdab | sorry about that |
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| 01:18.51 | shadok | hashdab: i may be wrong but it seems you have to decompress the package first to get a bin file ^^ |
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| 01:19.06 | shadok | and give that bin file as an argument to make-jpkg |
| 01:19.19 | hashdab | i will try that |
| 01:19.36 | hashdab | hope youre on in an hour! youve been great help my man |
| 01:20.09 | shadok | no problem :) |
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| 02:06.53 | centrx | ROG3R, There should be a menu option of keypress for VMWare to use full screen |
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| 03:06.27 | bowser` | hello all, question: |
| 03:07.28 | bowser` | I just had the hardest time finding a copy of sed.texi and dependencies, finding it finally on the gnu website. Is it correct that I won't find it on my machine? I run kubuntu |
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| 03:07.58 | bowser` | Or is there a way to generate it on my machine? |
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| 03:08.44 | centrx | Does it not come with the package? |
| 03:08.47 | centrx | Also |
| 03:08.49 | centrx | !kubuntu |
| 03:08.49 | dpkg | i heard kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
| 03:08.53 | bowser` | I have 'sed' |
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| 03:09.07 | bowser` | oh |
| 03:09.30 | bowser` | thank you |
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| 03:33.43 | k_sze | video decoding of libav seems to be very slow. |
| 03:34.06 | k_sze | And this is on a 24-core Xeon workstation with a Quadro K4000. |
| 03:34.29 | k_sze | (using ffmpeg/libav from the official debian repo) |
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| 03:43.21 | RayzrShrp | why does sound work fine under gnome but not under xfce4 |
| 03:43.30 | RayzrShrp | nothing should be all that different should it |
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| 03:47.14 | RayzrShrp | any ideas? |
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| 03:48.07 | mo1991 | there should be no difference |
| 03:48.28 | mo1991 | are u using pulse audio or just alsa? |
| 03:48.50 | mo1991 | default install with gnome is pulse audio i believe in wheezy |
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| 03:50.07 | RayzrShrp | yeah i just did default install with wheezy and sound works |
| 03:50.20 | RayzrShrp | i did another install with xfce4 and no sound |
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| 03:51.28 | mo1991 | install pavucontrol - apt-get install pavucontrol and then run it |
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| 03:51.44 | mo1991 | take a look at the various levels of your soundcards in pulse audio |
| 03:52.04 | mo1991 | xfce may be choosing a different soundcard by default. |
| 03:52.35 | mo1991 | look at all the different tabs, gives you a lot of control |
| 03:53.58 | mo1991 | you can change soundcards on the fly. so start playing something mp3 etc. then open pavucontrol, then look at what card it is outputting to, and the various tabs. |
| 03:54.10 | RayzrShrp | looks like it was muted |
| 03:54.12 | RayzrShrp | working now! |
| 03:54.54 | mo1991 | ) |
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| 03:55.54 | RayzrShrp | thanks |
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| 03:58.00 | mo1991 | personally, I do an default install with gnome, as I like some of the default gnome apps, then install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies, and never use gnome again |
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| 03:59.09 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: yeah ive been messing around trying to find the best way to install |
| 03:59.16 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: so far doing a bare bone with wheezy installer |
| 03:59.31 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: then change source and do update/upgrade/dist upgrade |
| 03:59.40 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: then install xorg and xfce |
| 04:00.31 | mo1991 | imo, as long as hard drive space is not an issue, doing a standard desktop install with nothing else except ssh, then install xfce is pretty minimum, as if you want a reasonably usable desktop you need the gnome apps |
| 04:00.57 | mo1991 | are you trying to use jessie? |
| 04:01.13 | mo1991 | why upgrade dist upgrade / xorg / xfce 4 |
| 04:01.14 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 04:02.18 | hugbot | thinks we should all just go back to useing woody and have done with it |
| 04:02.22 | mo1991 | installing standard desktop gives you gnome and apps, but once you switch to xfce you do not have gnome running, so you get the lightweight xfce desktop without the bloat of gnome 3, but still have gnome 3 and apps installed |
| 04:03.13 | noob556 | Hello, guys i have a very nooby question, i am trying run a process ( a game server ) at real time priority, i think i've managed to do this but i am not sure how i can check its actually running at realtime priority, any suggestions ? i am on Debian |
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| 04:04.29 | centrx | noob556, Do you mean you want this process to run at really high priority (-20), or are you really talking about "real time computing" with the real-time scheduler in the kernel (which would not seem to be for a game server) |
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| 04:04.48 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: yeah im running jessie |
| 04:06.23 | noob556 | centrx, I think just high priority, i have started the game server with chrt -r 20 if thats of any use |
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| 04:07.18 | mo1991 | RayzrShrp - i'm still on wheezy. if you are using wheezy installer and upgrading only parts to jessie, I'd just get a jessie installer and go all jessie. Mixing the two generally leads to issues later down the road |
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| 04:07.44 | centrx | noob556, okay I would forget about all the "real-time" stuff and just use nice or renice to set the priority of a process (or run as) -20 |
| 04:07.56 | mo1991 | although wheezy -> jessie is not such an issue as downgrading is |
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| 04:08.04 | noob556 | centrx, people say something about the game server not being restricted by the linux CPU timers if it is ran with chrt r -20 |
| 04:08.21 | eb0t | hey my usb ports on my screen dont work |
| 04:08.27 | eb0t | but screen works nice |
| 04:08.33 | centrx | noob556, "real-time scheduling" really means "always on-time scheduling", not necessarily faster, just on schedule (theoretically) |
| 04:08.48 | eb0t | any ideas what i can do on ebian...i assume you will say im missing a driver or something |
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| 04:08.57 | eb0t | just want to verify that |
| 04:09.33 | noob556 | centrx, I have checked in htop and PRI is displayed as -21 , does that mean its running in real time ? |
| 04:09.50 | centrx | noob556, That may be true but circumventing the kernel scheduler might take a lot to learn/do to make that change and use it properly |
| 04:10.21 | centrx | noob556, -20 is the best/lowest |
| 04:10.45 | centrx | noob556, for nice at least |
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| 04:11.18 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: i dont think there is a jessie installer yet, debian.org says thats the best way to install jessie |
| 04:11.27 | noob556 | centrx, i did not use nice to do it, i've only used this command chrt -r 20 |
| 04:11.54 | noob556 | centrx, did not do anything else |
| 04:12.33 | centrx | noob556, chrt -r enables the real-time scheduler but that is not necessarily what you want |
| 04:13.00 | mo1991 | RayzrShrp - I guess if you dist-upgraded everything there should be no issues |
| 04:13.36 | noob556 | centrx, i think it is, at least thats what people recommend |
| 04:13.37 | mo1991 | I thought you were just changing sources and installing parts of jessie |
| 04:13.47 | centrx | noob556, Link? |
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| 04:13.51 | noob556 | 1 sec |
| 04:14.01 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: nope doing minimal install and doing dist-upgrade before i install anything |
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| 04:14.11 | mo1991 | all good ten |
| 04:14.13 | mo1991 | then |
| 04:14.38 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: ive been messing with centos tonight but it runs so slow under vmware |
| 04:14.40 | mo1991 | beauty of debian. no matter what you install you can upgrade everything with one command |
| 04:14.44 | RayzrShrp | mo1991: not sure why, debian flies |
| 04:14.53 | noob556 | centrx, here is the tutorial i've used for it, it is at point 4, but i will give you more links where people say its needed http://www.nfoservers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=11249&p=59723&hilit=chrt#p59723 |
| 04:14.56 | SirLagz | mo1991: unless you installed something by compiling from source :P |
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| 04:15.18 | mo1991 | RayzrShrp - cause debian is the best :) |
| 04:15.32 | RayzrShrp | really wish i could get rid of this stupid floppy disk icon off my xfce desktop |
| 04:15.44 | RayzrShrp | without losing all removable drives |
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| 04:15.48 | findme | I want to redirect and assign traffic on port 91 to a new Bridged IP ? |
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| 04:16.01 | noob556 | centrx, here is another link where someone recommends it, check post 2 http://www.nfoservers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11796&p=62553&hilit=kernel#p62553 |
| 04:16.13 | mo1991 | SirLagz - true that. I always try to compile from unstable or testing to a .deb, so when I a few years later dist-upgrade it's generally higher version and upgrades also |
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| 04:16.56 | mo1991 | backports are your friend |
| 04:17.11 | SirLagz | mo1991: most of my machines are on Sid or Testing anyway lol |
| 04:17.20 | mo1991 | :) |
| 04:17.20 | noob556 | centrx, i don't have more links at hand but in general people tend to recommend using crht to run the game process @ real time |
| 04:18.00 | centrx | noob556, ok yeah it's not unreasonable |
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| 04:18.42 | noob556 | centrx, i should be set to go if its at -21 now right ? |
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| 04:19.50 | noob556 | centrx, kinda strange cause you + some others on the web also said the best is -20 |
| 04:20.00 | noob556 | centrx, but i am at -21 lol |
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| 04:21.19 | centrx | noob556, You can use ps to see what type of scheduling a process is using |
| 04:21.27 | centrx | noob556, ps -eo pid,user,args,class |
| 04:21.59 | centrx | noob556, The real-time scheduler is called RR (SCHED_RR) |
| 04:22.39 | noob556 | centrx, i will check now, just a sec |
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| 04:25.36 | centrx | noob556, can add an rtprio too |
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| 04:26.53 | noob556 | centrx, yep it is indeed marked as RR now |
| 04:26.59 | mo1991 | Question - I have changed the sudo config file to ask for root password always rather than the user in the sudo group. works fine. however gksu still accepts the user's password rather than only root. What file do I need to modify to make gksu use root always like sudo now does. I just figured gksu would follow sudo rules but seems not to |
| 04:27.05 | noob556 | centrx, i will add rtprio now also |
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| 04:28.30 | noob556 | centrx, rtprio shows 20 , everything else has "-" except for 2 probably system processes that have 99 |
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| 04:29.15 | mo1991 | addon to question above - to make sudo always ask for root I modified the /etc/sudoers file , but no such file seems to exist for gksu. any help? |
| 04:29.20 | noob556 | centrx, thanks for the help ! i appreciate it |
| 04:29.34 | centrx | May the Torvalds be with you |
| 04:29.45 | e7th04sh | I am looking for a "course |
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| 04:30.46 | noob556 | centrx, i'll go now, good luck to you man ! thanks again |
| 04:30.51 | e7th04sh | I am looking for a "course" on Linux. I mean something that in a concise form provides a solid knowledge of Linux concepts at as basic level as makes this form possible. I know things like that exist, example being linux-tutorial.info, but this one is not the best imaginable, hence I ask here. |
| 04:31.56 | centrx | e7th04sh, http://www.digilife.be/quickreferences/QRC/The%20One%20Page%20Linux%20Manual.pdf |
| 04:32.04 | centrx | e7th04sh, http://www.cheatography.com/davechild/cheat-sheets/linux-command-line/ |
| 04:32.07 | e7th04sh | And I am just coming back from another linux channel where I got a couple of links that didn;t satisfy me and a lot of uncalled for philosophy and arrogance. So whatever yuur point of view is, let me just say it now, rather than fall into that trap again, i don't give a damn. I know what I want and i'd rather get no response than something that is not what I look for. |
| 04:32.09 | mo1991 | e7th04sh - check out the edx courses - intro to linux |
| 04:32.12 | e7th04sh | centrx: thank you checking right away |
| 04:32.15 | mo1991 | free courses |
| 04:32.22 | mo1991 | also the debian manual is a good read |
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| 04:32.24 | e7th04sh | mo1991: thank you too |
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| 04:33.11 | e7th04sh | Let me correct myself. I appreciate everything that isn't what I look for - provided it is some docs, that you honestly think I will like. I just don't want to discuss anything. |
| 04:33.20 | e7th04sh | Just saying so you don't think I am a dick. |
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| 04:34.19 | mo1991 | check out the edx online course. its free and gives the basics with opportunity to follow up with certifications, etc |
| 04:34.35 | mo1991 | for more in depth there is the free debian manual |
| 04:34.52 | centrx | e7th04sh, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
| 04:35.04 | mo1991 | handbook not manual :) |
| 04:35.20 | e7th04sh | Thanks guys. :) |
| 04:35.57 | e7th04sh | I am so frustrated. Guys on the other channel started shoving me their opinions, like "learn by doing", "install ubuntu"... |
| 04:36.17 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: out of curiosity, which channel was that ? |
| 04:36.55 | e7th04sh | SirLagz: excuse me, I won't tell, I feel a bit embarassed that I even started. |
| 04:37.29 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: ok then, no probs |
| 04:37.54 | e7th04sh | But I came with good intention and enthusiasm, halfway through one tutorial I wanted something similar but better. And instead they got me so angry. They insist something like that "doesn't exist". |
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| 04:38.16 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: I would have said very hard to find rather than doesn't exist. |
| 04:38.26 | e7th04sh | this I agree with |
| 04:38.26 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: have you checked out the Red Hat certifications ? |
| 04:38.42 | e7th04sh | no, I haven't |
| 04:38.51 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: that might also be a good place to start |
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| 04:42.04 | e7th04sh | SirLagz: will write that down too, and off to sleep i guess. tommorow is a day too |
| 04:42.18 | SirLagz | e7th04sh: sleep is no replacement for caffeine ! :P |
| 04:42.46 | e7th04sh | yeah I already took my caffeine a few hours ago :P |
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| 04:59.32 | mo1991 | can anyone help me stop gksu from accepting user password even though I have prohibited sudo from accepting it? seems gksu is a security issue here |
| 05:00.30 | mo1991 | sudo foo will ask for root password as I have set it up to do. gksu accepts the user password |
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| 05:01.27 | mo1991 | as gksu is not following the sudo group rules |
| 05:01.59 | mo1991 | or the su rules for that matter.... |
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| 05:07.41 | jrm2k6 | Anybody experienced the same? |
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| 05:12.18 | Mayzie | Hey guys. During Debian installation, is it possible to modify your sources.list file? |
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| 05:18.06 | mo1991 | I found it hard to believe i just found a bug with sudo / gksu in wheezy but.... can someone help? |
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| 05:18.56 | mo1991 | if i change sudo to require root password for all users in the sudo group, users can still execute gksu and enter their user password and execute root commands??/ |
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| 05:20.26 | cynicallemon | mo1991: why bother with sudo then? |
| 05:20.33 | mo1991 | I assume I am doing something wrong? I added "Defaults rootpw" to the /etc/sudoers file |
| 05:20.59 | mo1991 | cynicallemon - this just seems like a major security hole |
| 05:21.34 | cynicallemon | i just use su |
| 05:21.36 | mo1991 | as I know a lot of people use sudo |
| 05:21.55 | mo1991 | I used su for a long time, now I use sudo, |
| 05:22.00 | mo1991 | regardless this behavior is not ok |
| 05:22.41 | mo1991 | anyone else chime in? |
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| 05:23.59 | cynicallemon | gksu sometime will ask for root password if its lilnkedto the root account |
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| 05:24.24 | cynicallemon | such as gksu <file manager> |
| 05:25.35 | cynicallemon | but i know what you mean and it does appear a little stupid |
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| 05:27.15 | cynicallemon | never understood why default homedir permissions allow a users home directory to be read by everyone |
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| 05:28.35 | mo1991 | hmm, it actually seems that gksu is following sudo rules. its the command synaptic-pkexe that doesn't follow the sudo rules |
| 05:29.01 | mo1991 | which still isn't ok, as i can install or delete packages without root authority |
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| 05:29.31 | cynicallemon | synaptic itself usually wants the root password |
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| 05:31.47 | mo1991 | synaptic-exec command will accept user password when user is in sudo group even though all other sudo commands require root?? |
| 05:31.58 | mo1991 | synaptic-pkexec |
| 05:32.08 | mo1991 | is the correct command |
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| 05:32.28 | mo1991 | that is the command that the default synaptic icon uses in wheezy |
| 05:32.55 | cynicallemon | i just call synaptic |
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| 05:34.13 | mo1991 | right, I just noticed this, as I just changed sudo to require root passwd instead of user password. very strange |
| 05:34.49 | mo1991 | as sudo now requires root passwd as does gksu, but pkexec seems not to follow sudo rules. |
| 05:36.01 | cynicallemon | not good |
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| 05:41.16 | mo1991 | no not good. as gnomes standard synaptic icon and users/groups icon use this command. |
| 05:42.31 | mo1991 | if I remove the user from the sudoers group, these programs go back to asking for root. but if I leave user in sudoers group and tell sudo to ask for root, these programs still will proceed with root privileges with only user password |
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| 05:58.35 | auscompgeek | that'd be a polkit config thing, btw, in case anyone else was curious |
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| 06:00.07 | auscompgeek | hence not a bug |
| 06:00.38 | centrx | oo burn |
| 06:01.11 | mo1991 | auscompgeek - if i set sudo to require root, shouldn't polkit follow suit? |
| 06:01.39 | mo1991 | as polkit looks to see if user is in the sudo group - |
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| 06:03.04 | mo1991 | polkit asks for root normally. but if user is in sudo group polkit asks for the user pass. changing sudo to ask for root rather than user pass forces sudo and gksu but not polkit. not a bug? |
| 06:03.30 | auscompgeek | yes, because polkit doesn't use /etc/sudoers |
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| 06:03.57 | mo1991 | but polkit asks for user password rather than root if user is in sudo group |
| 06:04.08 | mo1991 | so it must refer to sudo somehow |
| 06:04.24 | mo1991 | if i remove user from sudo group polkit asks for root pass |
| 06:04.34 | mo1991 | if i add user to sudo polkit asks for user pass |
| 06:04.38 | auscompgeek | yes, because that's how you have polkit set up |
| 06:05.09 | mo1991 | but when I change sudo to require root for all users of sudo group, polkit still accepts user password |
| 06:05.27 | auscompgeek | let me make this clear: pkexec does *not* use sudo in any way |
| 06:06.08 | mo1991 | then why if I add a user to sudo group does polkit accept the user password rather than root? |
| 06:06.21 | auscompgeek | because that's how you have polkit set up |
| 06:06.33 | mo1991 | polkit is setup default wheezy |
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| 06:06.46 | auscompgeek | yes, that's the default debian setup |
| 06:06.59 | auscompgeek | refer to /etc/polkit-1/rules.d |
| 06:07.23 | mo1991 | ok, I guess my point is isn't this a security flaw, to have sudo asking for root password and polkit still accepting user passwords and giving root access |
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| 06:08.52 | mo1991 | I added "Defaults rootpw" to the /etc/sudoers files |
| 06:09.13 | auscompgeek | it is a security flaw in *your* system |
| 06:09.22 | mo1991 | this forces sudo to require root passwd rather than user password even when users are part of sudo group |
| 06:09.37 | mo1991 | but doesn't change polkit to ask for root |
| 06:09.54 | auscompgeek | yes, because you neglected to reconfigure polkit |
| 06:10.10 | mo1991 | I get what your saying, polkit is only looking to see if user is in sudo before granting root as opposed to using sudo rules |
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| 06:10.44 | auscompgeek | then I don't understand what you're trying to argue |
| 06:11.20 | mo1991 | so yes, not a bug, just a lot of very poor documentation that I apparently read telling me that adding "defaults rootpw" would change sudo to ask for root without mentioning that polkit also needed to be reconfigured or there would be a security hole |
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| 06:11.34 | mo1991 | does that make sense |
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| 06:12.22 | superorc | hi there! my rc.local scrypt doesn't execut now.. add this to test it - /bin/touch /home/user/RC.LOCAL_WORKS |
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| 06:12.34 | mo1991 | what I am saying is adding "defaults rootpw" to the /etc/sudoers file is a very dangerous thing to do unless you realize other things need to be changed as well |
| 06:12.36 | superorc | if execut manualy - all works |
| 06:13.10 | superorc | any ideas pls? |
| 06:13.36 | superorc | Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) |
| 06:13.47 | superorc | 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 06:22.06 | superorc | i know it, bot it doesnt work on boot! |
| 06:22.21 | superorc | it's dont execut on startup |
| 06:22.50 | cugoz | do you know since when, have you done something particular? |
| 06:23.40 | superorc | no... this is very strange. i check with sysv-rc-conf , runlvls is ok |
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| 06:23.59 | superorc | 2 3 4 5 |
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| 06:26.23 | cugoz | is your /etc/init.d/rc.local alright? |
| 06:26.41 | cugoz | and the symlinks in the runlevels? |
| 06:27.40 | cugoz | is still /etc/rc.local positionned as an executable |
| 06:27.42 | superorc | will checknow, but think it's ok to |
| 06:27.47 | superorc | ty 4 help |
| 06:27.49 | mo1991 | auscompgeek - for example looking at https://wiki.debian.org/sudo - it should probably mention the flaw if there is not additional reconfiguration of polkit. |
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| 06:28.18 | mo1991 | so if nothing else this seems like something that needs to be addressed in the debian wiki |
| 06:28.28 | mo1991 | do you agree or am i missing something? |
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| 06:29.10 | mo1991 | I am talking about the last section where it mentions the "defaults rootpw" option |
| 06:31.04 | cugoz | superorc : maybe you could try launching /etc/init.d/rc.local manually, just to be sure |
| 06:31.28 | superorc | it's work, if i run manual |
| 06:31.35 | superorc | trying this sudo update-rc.d rc.local defaults |
| 06:31.46 | superorc | get - update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match rc.local Default-Stop values (none) |
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| 06:32.21 | cugoz | weird, i can't help, i have to leave, good luck! |
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| 06:32.45 | cugoz | and i really don't have a clue |
| 06:32.54 | superorc | cugoz: ty! goodluck |
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| 06:33.05 | cugoz | ty! |
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| 07:01.00 | jumbojack | hey guys |
| 07:01.06 | jumbojack | im installing eclipse and i get this error |
| 07:01.06 | jumbojack | http://paste.debian.net/134835/ |
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| 07:47.08 | superorc | can someone show me yours symlinks to /etc/init.d/rc.local? |
| 07:47.21 | superorc | is it - |
| 07:47.31 | superorc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 24 11:58 S20rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local |
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| 07:48.25 | EdePopede | superorc: /rc.local has a line "executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel" and /etc/init.d/rc.local is run as S21 in runlevels 2 3 4 5 -- the 2nd calls the 1st, but only with executable bit set |
| 07:49.10 | superorc | i have this |
| 07:49.11 | superorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/134837 |
| 07:49.23 | superorc | how can i set runlvls to 21? |
| 07:49.33 | EdePopede | btw, i did: find . -iname '*rc.local*' | sort |
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| 07:50.10 | superorc | show this pls? ls -lR /etc | grep ^l | grep rc.local |
| 07:50.12 | EdePopede | not runlevels, the numbers define the execution order of the scripts within a runlevel directory |
| 07:50.42 | superorc | i have S06rc.local |
| 07:51.01 | superorc | and rc.local dont execut onsturtup |
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| 07:52.51 | EdePopede | S06? for which runlevel(s)? and does the timesand match or was it changed? and which rc.local do you mean? if the one in /etc, does it have +x set? |
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| 07:55.00 | superorc | defalut runlvls (2 3 4 5) /etc/init.d/rc.local, yep it have X attr. if i run it manual - all works |
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| 07:55.32 | superorc | and /etc/rc.local have x attr to |
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| 07:59.13 | EdePopede | it is called from /etc/init.d/rc.local and has 2 entries in /etc/init.d/.depend.start in line "TARGETS =" and at the very end |
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| 08:01.33 | EdePopede | superorc: there are tests on $VERBOSE which makes the scripts call log_begin_msg() -- tried this one yet? |
| 08:02.48 | superorc | my /etc/init.d/.depend.start is good. , no. will trying. Thanks a lot!! |
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| 08:04.19 | EdePopede | int is set in /lib/init/vars.sh which then sources /etc/default/rcS |
| 08:04.31 | EdePopede | good luck |
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| 08:06.19 | superorc | how i understud - trouble is that i have S06.rc.local . need s21? |
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| 08:09.04 | EdePopede | <superorc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 24 11:58 S20rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local <-- you pasted this line a couple of times (btw, you sould use pase, see topic), it *is* S20rc.local, where do you find a S06rc.local? |
| 08:09.48 | wols_ | since when is any such rc.local link in debian? |
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| 08:13.33 | EdePopede | System V init, so i think it was always there? but let me have a look at my old hamm cd ;) |
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| 08:20.30 | wols_ | EdePopede: it was always there but on debian it's normally S99* |
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| 08:30.07 | EdePopede | i can't remember having changed it. there are also some S21rmnologin and most links dated in 13th november an da lot from february when i think i installed wheezy. |
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| 08:33.34 | excalibr | In which dir packages postins files are extracted to? |
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| 08:37.38 | EdePopede | with some other stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 08:44.06 | superorc | EdePopede: wich i paste in pastebin it's wrom my working kali machine, i mistaked. output of my trouble debian server is S06.rc.local |
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| 08:45.24 | c0rnel | hello |
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| 08:45.51 | osfe | I don't get emails from my cronjobs whereas the MAILTO variable is set in my crontab... |
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| 08:47.26 | osfe | is it because the mail client is not correctly set ? |
| 08:49.31 | wols_ | osfe: maybe the mail server isn't |
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| 08:49.50 | osfe | wols_: well, how do I check ? |
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| 08:50.14 | wols_ | what's the mail destination? |
| 08:51.03 | osfe | wols_: my corporate address |
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| 08:51.19 | osfe | me@mylab.com |
| 08:51.46 | wols_ | and you have no root access to mylab, so you can't check the serverlogs? |
| 08:52.08 | osfe | wols_: of course not :) |
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| 08:52.43 | osfe | I use cron to compress and store in a safe place important dirs of my hone |
| 08:53.02 | osfe | I would like to get the log of the job sent by email |
| 08:53.14 | osfe | and that does not work, obviously |
| 08:53.24 | osfe | the cronjob is executed as user |
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| 08:54.27 | osfe | the MAILTO variable is set |
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| 08:57.06 | sn00p | how come whenever I try to build a mailserver I cannot use the mbox or maildirv type and can never get the mail sent to /var/spool/usser |
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| 08:58.07 | osfe | N 21 Mailer-Daemon@pc- Thu Dec 04 09:57 48/1903 Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender |
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| 09:00.12 | waqstar | is setting a service like sshd to listen to a non standard port a good security measure? also setting it to listen to a particluar remote port? |
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| 09:01.16 | ChrisH | waqstar: it doews not decrease the security. But securoty by obsurity does not work. |
| 09:01.31 | waqstar | and related to this, whats the best way to obsecure a service, e.g. a port scan does not receive a fingerprint |
| 09:01.35 | waqstar | ChrisH: true |
| 09:02.33 | wols_ | osfe: that means the receiver didn't accept the message for whatever reason. could be wrong server/address or could be the recieving server denying a connection |
| 09:03.12 | osfe | hhmm, isn't it weird ? |
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| 09:05.17 | waqstar | ChrisH: i like that statement |
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| 09:07.10 | EdePopede | server security: the german c´t (could have been iX, but i don't think so) magazine had an article years ago aber a system set up not to react at all (or with denied, don't remember) unless the other side uses the correct knock knock code. of course i don't remmember the name either, but does this sound wellknown? |
| 09:07.28 | waqstar | what method does debian use to bind a service to a particular port? how does it do it! |
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| 09:08.14 | waqstar | EdePopede: port knocking?? |
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| 09:09.11 | ChrisH | knockd |
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| 09:09.54 | waqstar | but that isnt too secure itself. can an attacker not listen in on the unencrypted connection attemps and steal the sequence? |
| 09:10.12 | waqstar | like watching someone knocking on a door and copying it |
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| 09:11.37 | bezaban | it's a layer. not very practical for a lot of cases and not sufficient for avoiding real security on the service itself. |
| 09:11.43 | ChrisH | waqstar: you still need to have use SSL/TLS and strong passwords |
| 09:13.10 | ChrisH | Or disable all listeners on external IPs and only allow access via VPN..... |
| 09:13.28 | waqstar | vpn is the best measure i agree |
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| 09:14.39 | waqstar | but how will that work with a single machine without a firewall in front. is it possible to vpn into the box then access all other services locally? |
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| 09:17.07 | bezaban | waqstar: you VPN and get a new virtual private network with the endpoint. Endpoint can expose services on it's private address |
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| 09:18.42 | waqstar | im in a security mood as ive seen so many attemps to brute my ssh root login. so i set up private/public key login only but vpn connection sounds like the best way |
| 09:18.43 | bezaban | multiple machines at multiple destinations can participate in this virtual network over encrypted tunnels |
| 09:19.13 | bezaban | PKI should be sufficient really, but you can have another set of keys using VPN if you like |
| 09:19.40 | bezaban | also you should not be able to log in as root via ssh anyway |
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| 09:20.00 | superorc | Tell me pls, how can a manage boot order of initd scripts? |
| 09:20.48 | bezaban | superorc: the symlinks in /etc/rcX.d (where X is runlevel) have names that determine their order |
| 09:21.21 | waqstar | problem with pki is that what if you lose the key, my lose i mean someone steals it. is there any possible way to find what that key is for. i think you can generate the public key if you have the private key? |
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| 09:21.56 | bezaban | waqstar: you should protect it with a passphrase |
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| 09:22.15 | waqstar | different question.. how do i make a command run after boot, so once all the boot process is complete then run a script/command? |
| 09:22.17 | bezaban | and the public key is, well public. |
| 09:22.52 | waqstar | bezaban: true, didnt secure mine with passphrase. but its in a truecrypt volume so should be alright |
| 09:22.52 | bezaban | waqstar: put it in rc.local or add a K99symlink in /etc/rcX.d |
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| 09:23.08 | waqstar | bezaban: ok thanks |
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| 09:23.35 | bezaban | er.. S99 |
| 09:23.51 | bezaban | K are for stopping iirc |
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| 09:24.41 | bezaban | if put in rc.local and it's a command that wont complete add in a & at the end so it runs in the backgroundd |
| 09:24.50 | bezaban | could do so anyway really |
| 09:25.25 | waqstar | bezaban: if a command isnt correct e.g. syntax error will it skip that part or pause boot? |
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| 09:25.47 | bezaban | syntax error yes. Where it stops if rc.local doesn't exit I can't recall |
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| 09:26.08 | bezaban | it will fail like it would if you run it on the command line. |
| 09:26.26 | bezaban | can test with 'sudo bash /etc/rc.local' before running it |
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| 09:27.08 | bezaban | actually it's a sh/dash script. so replace bash with sh |
| 09:27.21 | bezaban | erp. copy done. Back to work. |
| 09:27.31 | waqstar | lol |
| 09:27.39 | waqstar | thanks for the help |
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| 09:27.58 | EdePopede | rc.local has a console while running? i remember i had some issues playing a soundfile with mplayer via cron |
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| 09:29.45 | waqstar | i should do some work as well |
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| 09:30.21 | bezaban | np |
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| 09:37.36 | superorc | bezaban: ty 4 answer. just change symlink to change oder? |
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| 09:40.16 | bezaban | superorc: yeah the symlinks should change the order of execution for each runlevel |
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| 09:47.40 | tuxx- | anyone here with dbconfig-common experience? I would like to make 2 databases with dbconfig-common that use the same db dump, but i cant seem to get it to work by calling dbc_go twice. I also cant find any documentation relating to my question. |
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| 09:50.52 | cuqa | hello, anyone know if there is a way to limit the maximum amount of leases for a specific mac address? |
| 09:51.03 | cuqa | there seem to be some faulty clients which request offers and even acknowledge them but do not take them |
| 09:51.11 | cuqa | so all leases are occupied, even though they are not even in use |
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| 10:08.51 | bumbar_ | how can i stop a program started by supervise as background task? it keeps restarting if i try kill <pid> |
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| 10:09.09 | EdePopede | a question on dependencies. i just found this in the forum: "By default, APT considers recommendations as dependencies" ... "if one only installs selected recommendations of a package and flags them as automatically installed, APT considers them as part of the dependency chain of the parent package. Yet, this does not happen with suggestions, because APT never treats them as dependencies." |
| 10:09.32 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 10:10.01 | EdePopede | so recommendation is harder binding than suggestion, right? what aout not autoinstalling recommendations, would it be a big loss in usability/stability? |
| 10:10.34 | petn-randall | bumbar_: You probably have to kill supervise, too. Or at least tell it to not restart the task. |
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| 10:11.41 | bumbar_ | petn-randall, i think i managed to do that :P |
| 10:11.54 | petn-randall | EdePopede: It depends (see what I did there?). Most programs will still work, but have a reduced feature set, or need that service on a remote server. |
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| 10:38.36 | Lachezar | Hey all. What do I have to do to allow user 'backup' to ssh in? |
| 10:39.32 | Lachezar | I have .ssh/authorized_keys in ~backup, and backup is mentioned in /etc/ssh/sshd_config in Allowusers, but I still can not ssh in: nologin: Attempted login by backup on UNKNOWN |
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| 10:40.53 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 10:43.38 | jelly | Lachezar: give them a valid login shell |
| 10:44.17 | jelly | Lachezar: and make sure the user is unlocked |
| 10:44.22 | Lachezar | jelly: I'd like not to. This is an SCP account. |
| 10:44.37 | jelly | Lachezar: use sftp then, not scp. |
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| 10:44.56 | jelly | all the scp restricted shells have issues |
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| 10:45.10 | superorc | f*ing rc.local dont want to execut on boot. if i do manual /etc/init.d/rc.local start - works. /etc/rc.local is simple /bin/touch /tmp/rc_works |
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| 10:46.20 | jelly | superorc: /etc/rc.local has to be a valid executable. If it's a script, make sure there's a correct #! line at the top (eg. #!/bin/sh) and that it has executable permissions. |
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| 10:46.23 | deep | so upgrading docker indeed just kills my actively running container without interaction? wtf? |
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| 10:46.35 | deep | bug? |
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| 10:46.46 | jelly | deep: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:46.50 | superorc | jelly: all leggit |
| 10:46.54 | deep | jelly: jessie. |
| 10:47.06 | jelly | deep: ask in #debian-next, over on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:47.10 | jelly | ,v docket |
| 10:47.11 | jelly | ,v docker |
| 10:47.11 | judd | No package named 'docket' was found in i386. |
| 10:47.12 | judd | Package: docker on i386 -- wheezy: 1.4-5; squeeze: 1.4-5; sid: 1.5-1; jessie: 1.5-1 |
| 10:47.48 | deep | jelly: will do. can't tell if that also happens on wheezy right now. |
| 10:48.00 | deep | jelly: ty |
| 10:48.02 | EdePopede | petn-randall: i'm actually finally installing apache (have only a basic installation atm, unluckily with mpm-worker), including mediawiki (dependancy chain welcome), so php5 is about to be installed, but also e.g. python and ruby. one point is, that installing php5 will in the end autoselect mpm-prefork thougt in #apache i was recommended to use fcgi |
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| 10:49.38 | superorc | jelly: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 343 Dec 4 11:09 rc.local |
| 10:49.53 | petn-randall | EdePopede: If you're using aptitude, you can cycle through the dependency resolution options. I'd avoid mod_php, it's deprecated, and go for fastcgi or fcgi instead. |
| 10:50.28 | EdePopede | i cycle for days now... |
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| 10:51.33 | petn-randall | EdePopede: What? How? |
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| 10:51.46 | EdePopede | dependenxy hell |
| 10:51.49 | EdePopede | s/x/c/ |
| 10:52.12 | petn-randall | EdePopede: There's no dependency hell. You just have to learn how to use a package manager. |
| 10:52.22 | Lachezar | hates to have to set shell to a non-interactive account just to allow SCP in. |
| 10:52.51 | EdePopede | i used yast2 for years |
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| 10:53.10 | petn-randall | Yast2 isn't necessarily a stellar example of a good package manager ... :) |
| 10:53.13 | EdePopede | and there are far too many TODO entries in the grouping options |
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| 10:53.30 | EdePopede | aptitude has a horrible layout |
| 10:53.50 | jelly | superorc: and the first line is a valid hashbang? |
| 10:53.54 | petn-randall | EdePopede: Then use apt-get, or dselect, or synaptic, or ... |
| 10:54.22 | superorc | jelly: sure. i use default sript, just add touch to test it... |
| 10:54.28 | EdePopede | i used synaptic right after install to end up with a oncosistent database |
| 10:54.50 | petn-randall | EdePopede: Then show us the output on http://paste.debian.net. |
| 10:55.00 | EdePopede | dselect was the old one that was in hamm? |
| 10:55.00 | dselect | EdePopede: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:55.17 | jelly | superorc: well, that ought to work. which debian release? |
| 10:55.48 | superorc | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/plain/134867 DEbian 7.7 |
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| 10:56.46 | jelly | superorc: do you, in fact, have a /bin/touch on your system? |
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| 10:57.34 | petn-randall | EdePopede: If you want to keep mpm-worker and install mediawiki, it should be enough to run 'apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker mediawiki'. It should then select the right dependencies to fulfil that. Btw, this has nothing to do with recommendations, mediawiki just has 'OR' dependencies on an apache worker. |
| 10:57.46 | superorc | jelly: ... sure. i sad, if i run manualy /etc/init.d/rc.local start - file create... |
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| 10:59.17 | darxmurf | don't know if you already had this issue, on a fresh new install (testing) installed flashplugin-nonfree but impossible to view any video on youtube. After 3 seconds the player was crashing. Then I tried using the HTML5. It was working but no sound. Same issue with chromium. I tried then to manually install plugins, tried with the latest firefox from mozilla website, same issue. |
| 10:59.58 | darxmurf | as I had no sound with the HTML5 player, I checked my alsa configuration. |
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| 11:00.29 | EdePopede | ah, found. 4 MPMs: i use WORKER, won't work with mediawiki (or php5, dont remember). ITK is 3rd party, EVENT is marked as experimental. so i have only PREFORK to use. |
| 11:00.30 | darxmurf | On my machine I have 3 audio cards, one INTEL HDMI, one INTEL ANALOG and one with my NVIDIA card. |
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| 11:00.53 | darxmurf | the INTEL HDMI was defined as CARD 0 |
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| 11:01.23 | darxmurf | after some fight I could change that and put the ANALOG first and everything is working now. Even the flash player... |
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| 11:02.58 | petn-randall | EdePopede: I'm pretty sure mediawiki works with apache2-mpm-worker. If it doesn't install together, show us the output of apt-get on http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 11:03.51 | kaushal | Hi |
| 11:03.52 | kaushal | is there a way to know the port number from process id? |
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| 11:04.32 | kaushal | netstat -anp | grep portnumber returns the processid |
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| 11:08.40 | darxmurf | So, when fighting with those fooking flash/html players, check also your soundcard configuration :D |
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| 11:11.16 | woshty | systemd is replacing consolekit? does it do so in jessie? |
| 11:11.33 | darxmurf | see you |
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| 11:14.53 | cuqa | hello, anyone know if there is a way to limit the maximum amount of leases for a specific mac address? |
| 11:14.54 | cuqa | there seem to be some faulty clients which request offers and even acknowledge them but do not take them |
| 11:14.55 | cuqa | so all leases are occupied, even though they are not even in use |
| 11:15.25 | Walex | cuqa: timeout on the lease? |
| 11:16.31 | Walex | woshty: IIRC 'consolekit' (which is a bad idea badly written) is essentially unmaintained, so one motivation for 'systemd' was to replace it, and then more and more... |
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| 11:18.52 | woshty | Walex: Yeah, but is it already in Jessie? consolekit is utterly annonying setting up multiseat systems, so I am think about running testing from the start with a new system (yeah, security, bad idea ;) |
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| 11:20.44 | EdePopede | is it possible to have aptitude open and on another terminal use package management commands? i just want to ASK the program, not INSTALL. so i need no write access to the db or blocking |
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| 11:26.40 | EdePopede | and is it possible to change the layout? i have full hd, splitting the screen it does steels lines from the tree view (i would prefer side by side). and as i just see again on the pckage tab for mediawiki, those red squares are completely confusing. can't nearly see where the dependency subtrees start. at least a less invasive colour would ne nice |
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| 11:30.55 | phre4k | EdePopede: remove the apt lockfile? |
| 11:31.18 | phre4k | EdePopede: may be in /var/lock |
| 11:31.31 | phre4k | but usually there's an error message telling you where the lockfile is |
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| 11:32.44 | EdePopede | right, there is one. but is it recommended to do it? hm, i'll try, can't be worse than a aptitude crash |
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| 11:33.15 | phre4k | EdePopede: if you know what you are doing you can do it, if not I won't recommend it. |
| 11:33.51 | phre4k | EdePopede: I wouldn't update or search or whatever with aptitude _during_ apt-get operation |
| 11:34.03 | phre4k | EdePopede: but why don't you just use aptitude to install? |
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| 11:34.37 | EdePopede | works, and there's another one in /var/lock/aptitude |
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| 11:35.32 | EdePopede | aptitude gives me an interface (open tabs, get info etc) _without_ thousands of output lines, but it is not good at all for searching |
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| 11:37.07 | EdePopede | and on the other hand i don't query for package names like aptituda (what i did just right now) |
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| 11:39.52 | EdePopede | and an output like http://paste.debian.net/134874/ might be machine very readable, but forces me to read through the whole output (a --beautify option would really be nice) |
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| 11:41.22 | vipzrx | hi |
| 11:41.27 | vipzrx | mplayer2 : Depends: libsmbclient (>= 2:4.0.3+dfsg1) |
| 11:41.38 | vipzrx | i am using debian sid |
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| 11:42.47 | vipzrx | i want to install mplayer2 |
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| 11:44.38 | banjo | EdePopede: with aptitude show you have to pipe it through fold or use apt-cache show |
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| 11:45.08 | banjo | vipzrx: i would try in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 11:45.26 | vipzrx | banjo: thank you |
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| 11:48.40 | EdePopede | banjo: tried, apt-cache show is inconsistent. uses linebreaks, but not on the dependency lists. (on the other hand it does on the tag list) |
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| 11:49.21 | vipzrx | sudo apt-get remove iceweasel |
| 11:49.55 | EdePopede | btw, the reason i use aptitude is that i don't have to remember hoards of command names with what options belong to which one |
| 11:50.31 | petn-randall | phre4k: Please, for the love of god, don't recommend things that can potentially hose someone's system. At least not in this channel. |
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| 11:51.07 | banjo | EdePopede: so my best idea is using fold |
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| 11:57.58 | phre4k | EdePopede: I think you should try to get into aptitude's searching mode |
| 11:58.42 | phre4k | petn-randall: I did say that he should only do it if he knows what he's doing /disclaimer |
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| 11:58.54 | cherrypoop | i can't generate a 2048 bit key |
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| 12:08.55 | phre4k | cherrypoop: good for you |
| 12:09.59 | phre4k | cherrypoop: since you didn't include any information whatsoever, we can't help you with that |
| 12:10.07 | cherrypoop | phre4k: http://pastie.org/9760260 |
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| 12:10.47 | phre4k | cherrypoop: okay, you generated a 4096 bit key, which is better anyway |
| 12:11.02 | cherrypoop | i did? |
| 12:11.14 | cherrypoop | but what about the line where it says DEK-Info |
| 12:11.22 | cherrypoop | it says AES-128 |
| 12:11.35 | EdePopede | hm, bever seen fold before, at least not after my first steps with linux. only it isn't helpful at all, less does the same job (and in addition keeps my screen clear). a tablelike output or at least consistent indenting would be a far better and simpler solution. i nice little script maybe, when i find the time... |
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| 12:13.42 | phre4k | cherrypoop: yes, that's right. The key length is 4096 bit RSA and the encryption (with the password you chose) is AES-128 |
| 12:13.59 | phre4k | cherrypoop: and you know that you just posted a private key on the internet and have to generate a new one, right? |
| 12:14.29 | EdePopede | concerning the security question: a readonly mode for aptitude would solve the problem (or a simluator, since descending dependency trees including conficts is a mess manually) |
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| 12:14.52 | banjo | ede if fold isnt helpful for you, than i dont know what you want |
| 12:14.58 | banjo | EdePopede: |
| 12:16.16 | phre4k | cherrypoop: I don't know what tutorial you're following, but here's a pretty good one I just found for you ;) http://martin.kleppmann.com/2013/05/24/improving-security-of-ssh-private-keys.html |
| 12:16.56 | phre4k | cherrypoop: that said, you successfully generated a 4096 bit key with a password; the former is encrypted with AES-128 and the password you chose |
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| 12:19.19 | phre4k | cherrypoop: if you do ssh-keygen -l -r ~/.ssh/id_rsa you can see the bit length in the first column |
| 12:19.34 | cherrypoop | oh |
| 12:19.44 | cherrypoop | so what is the former? |
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| 12:21.11 | cherrypoop | there's too much to learn in the world of comptuers i feel like giving up and doing theater |
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| 12:28.24 | EdePopede | if it comes to console output i see here increased readability, banjo: http://paste.debian.net/134886/ -- i use the UI version only if i have to care about dependencies and installation of more than just a few packages. as witht mediawiki/php/apache-mpm now, or... skype. my only i386 apckage with a hell of dependant libraries (17 direct and about 60 following) |
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| 12:28.53 | Cuby96 | hi there i'm having problems installing teamviewer, because a ia32-libs is missing. when i do dpkg --add-architecture i386 it shows nothing and when i make apt-get update it downloads some files and stopped by something line: i cannot install cdrom through apt-get.... what do i have to do? |
| 12:30.21 | Cuby96 | any idea? |
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| 12:31.33 | bazhang | is the cd rom listed in the sources.list |
| 12:31.50 | bazhang | if so, comment it out |
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| 12:32.31 | Cuby96 | okay, i'm back in a sec |
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| 12:47.45 | IndoDebian | hi everyone |
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| 12:48.05 | EdePopede | from the aptitude options screen: "This option controls how aptitude organizes the package list. See the aptitude user's manual for information on how to specify a grouping method." if it is http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ that's meant, i don't find anything. |
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| 12:51.32 | IndoDebian | anyone can help? |
| 12:52.09 | bazhang | ask first |
| 12:52.34 | IndoDebian | it seems my bluetooth adapter on linux depends on windows 8 |
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| 12:52.39 | EdePopede | found it, using google... |
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| 12:53.22 | IndoDebian | I have dual os, win 8 and debian wheezy |
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| 12:57.11 | IndoDebian | on linux it can't detect other device unless I bluetooth setting on win 8 before |
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| 12:58.10 | IndoDebian | on linux it can't detect other device unless I open bluetooth setting on win 8 before |
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| 13:02.24 | EdePopede | from the aptitude manual: "Creates a tree called âTasksâ which contains the available tasks (information on tasks is read from debian-tasks.desc in the package tasksel" -- i don't find that file in the package query, is the info incorrect? |
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| 13:03.25 | biggi_mat | Hello. Using dnsmasq Iâm trying to cover to DNS related scenarios: 1. in case dns server dies Iâm caching the hostname resolves for x seconds; 2. in case I actually switch my cname to new endpoint server I need the cache to be renewed immediately. How could I handle that? Item 1 is okay, I just set it up as documentation suggest and everything is just okay - my specified ttl is taken into account. But this very same ttl is clashing with item no.2 |
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| 13:03.43 | biggi_mat | How could I force clear cache in that case? |
| 13:03.46 | biggi_mat | Or...something |
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| 13:04.07 | banjo | EdePopede: in the ncurses interface you want that? |
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| 13:05.38 | banjo | ctrl+t -> views -> choose your preferred view:) |
| 13:05.51 | petn-randall | EdePopede: I think it's more constructive if we show how to solve your specific problem with aptitude. 'tasks' are broad categories like 'desktop system', 'file sharing server' that will drag in large amounts of packages for convenience. |
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| 13:06.43 | EdePopede | i know what tasts are.. |
| 13:06.47 | EdePopede | * tasks |
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| 13:07.25 | EdePopede | from the options >>> The default grouping method for package views: task,status,section(subdirs,passthrough),section(topdir) |
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| 13:08.28 | EdePopede | only: in the tab PACKAGES i have: New Packages | Installed Packages | Not Installed Packages | Obsolete and Locally Created Packages | Virtual Packages | Tasks |
| 13:09.04 | EdePopede | so i can change the ordering in the area "Tasks" and everything else is as-is? |
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| 13:14.13 | jiku | hi there.. |
| 13:14.25 | jiku | since there are going to be many sys admins in this room using debia.. |
| 13:14.36 | jiku | need a suggestion.. |
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| 13:15.25 | jiku | is there a way where i can log all the FTP traffic just like we log the web traffic using SQUID |
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| 13:16.45 | jiku | they login using the name FTP account for each sites.. |
| 13:16.57 | jiku | *same ftp account |
| 13:17.16 | EdePopede | ok, then more direct question: information on tasks is read from debian-tasks.desc in the package tasksel <<< where do i find this file? |
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| 13:22.47 | banjo | EdePopede: /usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc in tasksel-data package |
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| 13:22.49 | EdePopede | another question: can i make aptitude forget that i have marked packages for install/deletion when i restart it? or can i assign a key to "Cancel pending actions"? |
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| 13:24.19 | EdePopede | banjo: exactly, thanks. so the info in the manual actually *is* wrong. |
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| 13:24.53 | banjo | EdePopede: under action ther is:cancel pendign actions |
| 13:25.08 | banjo | EdePopede: report a bug:) |
| 13:25.27 | EdePopede | i will learn how to do this when i find the time |
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| 13:29.41 | banjo | EdePopede: about what manual are you talking exactly? man tasksel says "/usr/share/tasksel/*.desc and /usr/local/share/tasksel/*.desc are used to define tasks" |
| 13:30.19 | banjo | should be **.desc |
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| 13:31.56 | EdePopede | http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s01.html#secSortingPolicy <-- just a few lines up, under "tasks" |
| 13:34.56 | phre4k | what's the recommended wake on lan program? |
| 13:35.03 | phre4k | ... which works with /etc/ethers? |
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| 13:39.10 | Cuby96 | thx worked perfectly |
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| 13:48.47 | EdePopede | and if i'm at it, can i redefine the keys in aptitude? F6 for move tight and F7 for move left makes me use the wrong one most of the time |
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| 13:57.11 | sebastianlutter | A question to proxys. I want to use a "web proxy" on my server to solve a CORS issue in a prototype implementation. My question is: can I use Squid (or any other fast proxy) from within javascript like this php proxy solution here: https://developer.yahoo.com/javascript/howto-proxy.html) |
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| 14:01.58 | wols_ | sebastianlutter: |
| 14:01.58 | wols_ | The requested page was not found. |
| 14:02.05 | wols_ | and it doesn't sound like a debian question to me |
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| 14:07.35 | sebastianlutter | wols_, link is working here, sorry if this question is misplaced here (it is indeed not debian specific) |
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| 14:11.19 | wols_ | sebastianlutter: where does this javascript run? |
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| 14:12.58 | nymous | hey guys |
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| 14:13.20 | nymous | a bit odd question, but i really need the solution |
| 14:13.32 | nymous | how can i downgrade whole system? |
| 14:13.42 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 14:13.43 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:13.58 | nymous | i mean to revert to 7.3 from 7.7 for example |
| 14:14.39 | mtn | nymous: same answer |
| 14:14.51 | nymous | you see, i have a buggy software which was working on 7.2 or something like that |
| 14:15.04 | nymous | i did upgrade to 7.7 and now it segfaults |
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| 14:15.32 | nymous | this is an isolated virtual machine and i really need this software to work |
| 14:15.35 | mtn | nymous: read what it says. you might be able to remove the package and manually install an older one. |
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| 14:16.39 | nymous | yes, i've grepped my dpkg.log for installation changes |
| 14:17.01 | nymous | the problem is that several versions does not exist in repos anymore( |
| 14:17.19 | mtn | nymous: not in your apt cache either? |
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| 14:17.51 | nymous | no( |
| 14:18.01 | nymous | i did a cache clean several days ago |
| 14:18.40 | Karella | Hi there :-) |
| 14:18.53 | nymous | it's like that: apt-get install multiarch-support:amd64=2.13-38 |
| 14:18.53 | nymous | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:18.54 | nymous | Building dependency tree |
| 14:18.54 | nymous | Reading state information... Done |
| 14:18.54 | nymous | E: Version '2.13-38' for 'multiarch-support' was not found |
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| 14:19.03 | nymous | oh, sorry |
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| 14:19.44 | Karella | I have a trouble with debian unstable after an update, I tried fixed it with "apt-get -f install" but : libpam-systemd : Depends: systemd (= 215-5+b1) but 215-7 is to be installed. What can I do now ? |
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| 14:20.38 | EdePopede | libapache2-mod-php5 is section httpd as per dpkg-bot. sounds logical. but i have it in net, sounds broken? |
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| 14:20.47 | omarek | Hi, I just noticed my monthy backup wasn't executed (fcron). Can someone confirm this fcron entry runs on 1st day of each month ? 45 3 1 * * sh /c/home/chomik/fcron/backup-media.sh /c/backup/rsync/year/$(date +%B) |
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| 14:20.54 | banjo | Karella: i read similar for a few days now:) try to ask in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 14:21.25 | banjo | Karella: what ive heard. you can just wait:) |
| 14:21.44 | Karella | I thought that was the solution. |
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| 14:22.37 | banjo | Karella: some things with resolver. but i dont understand the whole spectrum |
| 14:22.46 | Karella | banjo, thank you for that answer. I guess I have to be invited to join #debian-next ? |
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| 14:23.28 | banjo | conecct to irc.oftc.net then join #debian-next |
| 14:23.29 | mtn | Karella: just need to go to the correct server ;) oftc.net, not freenode |
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| 14:23.56 | Karella | mtn: oups ... Tks, & bye guys :-) |
| 14:24.04 | banjo | bye |
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| 14:25.46 | petn-randall | omarek: I don't know fcron. But regular cron will run this on the first of every month at 3:45 AM. Check /var/log/auth.log if cron got executed then. |
| 14:26.11 | petn-randall | omarek: Most likely problem you have is that you're sourcing environment variables, that aren't set in cron. Most likely $PATH. |
| 14:26.57 | OSVG | cron uses sh and is "dumb" to your user environment. This is a lesson I re-learn every year or so. |
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| 14:29.35 | omarek | petn-randall: That's what it should do. Yet, my daily rsync script runs fine, but the monthly one is not executed (I know because a directory was not created and permissions are not to blame). See my fcrontab: https://dpaste.de/jNat |
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| 14:30.24 | Bierdieb | i need a hint pls. where to start installing debian, when the machine is not able to boot from cd or usb? i may get the harddrive out, but have no clue if i need to partition something or how to start installation process. Its an old laptop with defect dvd drive and a bios not able to boot usb. |
| 14:30.32 | omarek | petn-randall: The only difference between these lines is the 3rd field (day of month) and $(date +%B) instead of $(date +%A). |
| 14:30.49 | petn-randall | omarek: Have you checked /var/log/auth.log if it gets executed? |
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| 14:31.47 | petn-randall | Bierdieb: You can always debootstrap a Debian installation straight onto the harddrive, but you'll have to do the partition and other things by yourself. |
| 14:32.00 | petn-randall | s/partition/partitioning/ |
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| 14:33.16 | banjo | EdePopede: ch02s05s02.html thats the customizing keybindings chapter. if you didnt already found it;) |
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| 14:34.05 | EdePopede | banjo: as you maybe see i have more and more open questions the longer i am here :( |
| 14:34.21 | omarek | petn-randall: Strange. WHen I grep for fcron, I see dates 21st of November, then 4th of Decembr. It's the same in rsync.log |
| 14:34.23 | EdePopede | now it seems my package database is broken |
| 14:34.28 | banjo | EdePopede: because you are fast with exploring;) |
| 14:34.55 | Bierdieb | is there a guide on the wiki which i can use for orientation? im kind of noobish as soon as it gets required to have advanced knowledge |
| 14:35.04 | EdePopede | well, i keep my eyes open :) |
| 14:35.14 | petn-randall | EdePopede: And all you wanted to do is install mediawiki with fcgi ... |
| 14:36.04 | EdePopede | let's say, i wanted to install madiawiki and some other languages (python and ruby at least, to be prepared) |
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| 14:37.15 | petn-randall | EdePopede: You know, you can always just show the actual problem you have, and we might be able to help. There's no need for you to do this all alone ... ;) |
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| 14:38.33 | EdePopede | petn-randall: reaction times are really frustrating sometimes, so that polling isn't really an option |
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| 14:41.17 | petn-randall | EdePopede: I'm pretty sure that installing fcgi and mediawiki together is something that can be trivially solved. |
| 14:42.09 | nymous | snapshots.debian.org would help in downgrading, but it's purely manual |
| 14:43.05 | sebastianlutter | wols_, the javascript is browser based (not nodejs, I know the http module). Can squid act as a "url chaining proxy"/"cgi-proxy"? |
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| 14:46.31 | wols_ | sebastianlutter: what does it matter what proxy runs on a server when the javascript code runs in the browser of the client? that proxy will never ever be used |
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| 14:49.39 | sebastianlutter | wols_, it is about fetching images and analyse their content in javascript/Canvas object. I would hit the CORS restriction and would not get the pixel data in javascript. A url proxy would allow me to fetch the images using the same domain name, and thus I get access to the pixel data. |
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| 14:58.48 | karlpinc | It's a little disconcerting to see a cve like this, http://www.ocert.org/advisories/ocert-2014-009.html, and not see a fix in debian. At least I see nothing on the security announce list and I just updated my wheezy system and see nothing in the changelog.Debian.gz for libjasper1. Is Debian late for this or am I looking in the wrong place? If they are late, is there any way to find out what went wrong? |
| 15:00.33 | EdePopede | Aptitude::Theme Vertical-Split << this isn't the default, right? it is dselect. |
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| 15:01.28 | ciccio | hi |
| 15:01.30 | ciccio | list |
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| 15:02.44 | Zitter | hi, I have to download libcurl3 and curl .deb packages. Where can I download them? I've tried in packages.debian.org and they are missing |
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| 15:03.08 | sexyboy | apt repository |
| 15:03.10 | mtn | karlpinc: this might be helpful: https://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jasper.html |
| 15:03.17 | ChrisH | Can you confirm my finding, that there is no mysql5.6 avaliable for Debian stable? |
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| 15:04.17 | Raydiation | is there a standard init scripts directory for sysvinit? debian seems to use /etc/init.d but i think there's also /etc/rc.d? |
| 15:04.25 | sexyboy | nope ChrisH , i can't |
| 15:05.01 | ChrisH | sexyboy: where did you find it? |
| 15:05.06 | sexyboy | but ypu should look into stable backports page |
| 15:05.22 | sexyboy | !backports |
| 15:05.22 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 15:06.42 | ChrisH | sexyboy: Have you checked it? I cannot find mysql 5.6 there. |
| 15:07.02 | karlpinc | Raydiation: See section 9.3 in the debian-policy package. |
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| 15:08.26 | sexyboy | ChrisH: i cant do that atm |
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| 15:09.13 | Raydiation | i think /etc/rc.d is used on older rhel distros correct? |
| 15:10.00 | ChrisH | sexyboy: I checked backports and I hoped I did a mistake while searvhing, as this means I need to take Ubuntu Server LTS at that place as mysql 5.6 is required to get a supported setup. |
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| 15:12.38 | Spydar007 | bynarie: I just discovered that chmod'img the /home has are Apache give permission denied |
| 15:12.43 | karlpinc | mtn: That seems the right place to look, thanks. I don't see much useful info there. Near as I can tell the only date is today, in bug #772036. It's wonky to think that debian didn't know about this until today. |
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| 15:14.38 | babilen | ChrisH: 5.6 is only available in experimental |
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| 15:15.49 | karlpinc | ChrisH: If you use posgres on the other hand, you can get the latest from the pg project's repos. (Just teasing. Sorry. ;-) |
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| 15:28.44 | ChrisH | babilen: then it matches my findings...thanks! |
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| 15:30.31 | karlpinc | Looks like somebody just fixed CVE-2014-9029. *whew* Thanks. ( |
| 15:30.43 | karlpinc | Fixed in stable, not elsewhere.) |
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| 15:32.50 | karlpinc | (I'd still be interested in finding out what went wrong with the process.) |
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| 15:33.41 | karlpinc | FYI, anybody who might be looking at jpg images on wheezy should get the latest updates from security.debian.org. |
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| 15:38.42 | debia | hi |
| 15:38.50 | debia | So should I partition a system for a web server? |
| 15:39.02 | debia | Because currently I am using one disk for it (+ swap partition). |
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| 15:39.10 | debia | Should/can I use LVM? |
| 15:39.46 | Nyterax | hi, is this safe to use? http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
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| 15:42.30 | sydney | Nyterax: Ive never tried it. Personally i would recomend just booting from a cd and installing, not messing with your bootloader etc. |
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| 15:43.02 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 15:43.09 | debia | hi |
| 15:43.10 | debia | hehe |
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| 15:43.38 | Nyterax | ain´t got a cdrom and for some reason i couldn´t boot the installation from a usb drive, when the same stick worked fine for win8 installation |
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| 15:43.50 | `Kevin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.07 | mtn | Nyterax: how did you make the usb stick? |
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| 15:44.18 | sydney | Nyterax: Did you dd the iso to the flashdrive? Debian does not work well any other way. |
| 15:44.21 | Nyterax | unetbootin |
| 15:44.26 | mtn | Nyterax: usb instructions: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:44.31 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 15:44.31 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 15:44.38 | debia | `Kevin: but doesn't this allow one easy resize? Right, on the other hand it can cause serious trouble... |
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| 15:44.49 | sydney | I was never able to get unetbootin to work. |
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| 15:45.26 | Nyterax | i sorta did follow the instructions |
| 15:45.32 | sydney | with debian. |
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| 15:45.38 | Nyterax | but it found no bootable media on the usb |
| 15:45.43 | mtn | Nyterax: use win32diskimager, not unetbootin |
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| 15:46.16 | `Kevin | debia: you can online resize without lvm if you partition correctly... you shouldn't need to resize on a webserver if it is just web content ... that is if you are not doing media stuff |
| 15:46.22 | banjo | does someone know a good instruction how to install on an usb-stick? |
| 15:46.36 | mtn | banjo: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:46.51 | debia | `Kevin: so when I separate base system from application/content, there wouldn't be a real reason to resize the disks except I miscalculated something? |
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| 15:47.27 | debia | `Kevin: hm, but having LVM allows one many feats, right? Maybe I should set this up during setup? |
| 15:47.34 | debia | But I read it can crash fatally and such. |
| 15:47.34 | spatials | How do I turn off a deamon so that it doesn't come back with boot - tried sysv-rc-conf = still on with reboot - openvpn is the one |
| 15:47.40 | bighornram | Can someone recommend a user friendly (non whitelisting bios) also debian friendly laptop manufacturer? I think I'm returning this Lenovo. REally like the whole machine, runnign debian nicely but can't even upgrade the wifi to dual band ac card. I'm getting 500 kbs downloading on my local network and can't upgrade it due to whitelistting. |
| 15:47.50 | banjo | mtn: so this would work after the installation like a normal hdd install? |
| 15:48.14 | `Kevin | debia: i have to go jump on subway... it all depends on your dataset growth and if you really need LVM functionality |
| 15:48.32 | debia | `Kevin: so LVM got downsides? not just advantages (eg. online resizing)? |
| 15:48.36 | marioxcc | Hello. I don't see the wheezy security update fron aptitude and I have done aptitude update and have the security repository enabled. What should I do?. |
| 15:48.46 | debia | Is there a web server dedicated IRC channel? :) |
| 15:48.51 | mtn | banjo: oh, you are asking about using live disk as a normal boot disk? or do you want to install debian TO the usb stick? |
| 15:48.55 | jelly | marioxcc: which update do you not see? |
| 15:49.15 | sydney | marioxcc: Aptitude upgade? |
| 15:49.17 | marioxcc | jelly: Iceweasel 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1. |
| 15:49.22 | sydney | aptitude upgrade* |
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| 15:49.29 | `Kevin | debia: snapshots but xfs can do that as well, i find it to just be another point of failure when using LVM if you do not need it |
| 15:49.30 | marioxcc | sydney: I did that already. |
| 15:49.32 | `Kevin | afk |
| 15:49.41 | Nyterax | how is win32diskimager better than unetbootin? |
| 15:49.42 | jelly | marioxcc: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy iceweasel" |
| 15:49.50 | towo` | Nyterax, it works |
| 15:49.54 | jelly | ,v iceweasel |
| 15:49.54 | debia | `Kevin: xfs is like ext3 another file system? |
| 15:49.55 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1; jessie: 31.2.0esr-3; sid: 31.3.0esr-1; experimental: 34.0-1 |
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| 15:50.06 | Nyterax | fair enough |
| 15:50.12 | debia | `Kevin: hm, so I have to format it xfs to use those features (like snapshotting)? |
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| 15:50.20 | Nyterax | how come unetbootin is recommended everywhere instead |
| 15:50.36 | towo` | Nyterax, where everywhere? |
| 15:50.38 | banjo | mtn: i want to use the usb-stick like an normal install, with persistant storage of $HOME and all packages |
| 15:50.39 | mtn | Nyterax: everywhere else is not debian ;) |
| 15:50.44 | jelly | marioxcc: if it's new enough, wait a couple hours |
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| 15:50.52 | towo` | unetbootin has never worked correct with isohybrid |
| 15:50.55 | Nyterax | eh, stackoverflow i guess |
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| 15:51.14 | mtn | banjo: two ways to do it. one, live disk with persistant storage. two, normal install to the usb disk. |
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| 15:52.08 | marioxcc | jelly: yes, it's new, it's a security update. why I'm not seeing it yet?. |
| 15:52.14 | Nyterax | ok so do I just use the debian netinst iso with disk imager? |
| 15:52.19 | marioxcc | <http://paste.debian.net/134920/>, <http://paste.debian.net/134920/> |
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| 15:52.40 | banjo | mtn: ive tried some instruction from the web, but never get a good result:) |
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| 15:53.25 | lau_za- | PGreetings, i would like to continiously monitor to see if an ip address is within my network. One option is to crontab this every minute. Any suggested daemons for linux? I am using a raspberry pi and would like it to check if i am home (i.e. Is my phone on the network) |
| 15:53.38 | jelly | marioxcc: care to put all the requested info into a single pastebin? |
| 15:53.45 | mtn | banjo: I know people have done it, but I have never tried. |
| 15:54.10 | marioxcc | jelly: Well, I had put it in 2 for clarity. Does it makes a difference? |
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| 15:54.18 | Nyterax | what filesystem should my usb stick have btw? |
| 15:54.19 | banjo | mtn: i i could try install from the install-cd with specifying the usb-partition as / |
| 15:54.26 | jelly | marioxcc: you pasted the same URL twice |
| 15:54.30 | mtn | banjo: yup, option 2 |
| 15:54.37 | towo` | Nyterax, it doesn't matter |
| 15:54.46 | debia | So ext3 vs ext4, any opinions? |
| 15:54.46 | Nyterax | just wanted to be sure, thanks |
| 15:54.51 | banjo | ok. thats easier mtn ;) |
| 15:55.46 | jelly | debia: if you have to ask, go with the default -- ext4 is the default these days |
| 15:55.50 | debia | Why is /boot mount using ext2? |
| 15:55.56 | debia | Because of grub compatibility? |
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| 15:56.30 | marioxcc | jellysorry: http://paste.debian.net/134919/ and http://paste.debian.net/134920/ |
| 15:56.39 | jelly | debia: ext3 journal takes some space (say, 32MB or more), and a /boot is usually tiny, like 200MB |
| 15:57.03 | jelly | debia: so using ext2 saves a bit of space |
| 15:57.32 | jelly | marioxcc: that looks correct. Wait a couple hours. |
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| 15:58.15 | spatials | Whezzy - How do I turn off openvpn deamon so that it doesn't come back with boot - tried sysv-rc-conf = still on with reboot |
| 15:58.17 | marioxcc | jelly: ok, what's the delay due to? |
| 15:58.33 | debia | jelly: What do you think about ext4 + LVM? |
| 15:58.33 | jelly | marioxcc: I have no idea. |
| 15:58.46 | debia | I read xfs support the same as LVM, but it isn't so widely used? |
| 15:59.05 | marioxcc | jelly: ok, maybe it's some web cache in the path. Do you know of a mirror that accepts HTTPS? |
| 15:59.15 | jelly | marioxcc: there aren't many security.d.o mirrors, and I see 31.3 for i386 is there already. |
| 15:59.21 | debia | jelly: I read xfs support the same as LVM, but it isn't so widely used? |
| 15:59.52 | jelly | debia: I don't have any experience with xfs. lvm+ext4 works. |
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| 16:01.00 | Nyterax | also, is it true that windows 8 should be installed before debian for a dual boot setup? |
| 16:01.31 | marioxcc | jelly: Ok, I'm seeing it there as well. What's security.d.o? |
| 16:02.05 | biggi_mat | Hey, how can I check hostname availability with ping disabled? |
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| 16:02.50 | jelly | marioxcc: DNS round-robin |
| 16:02.51 | wols_ | biggi_mat: are you certain any port is open on the destination ip? |
| 16:03.02 | marioxcc | jelly: ok. |
| 16:03.18 | biggi_mat | wols_: Iâm certain 80 is |
| 16:03.20 | jelly | marioxcc: security.debian.org, the repo you're getting stuff from |
| 16:03.21 | mgregjr | can anyone help me creating a bash script that inserts a # in front of a line in a file, and another script that removes it? |
| 16:04.19 | wols_ | biggi_mat: so connect to that instead |
| 16:04.21 | tomteyfly | i think that sounds like something for sed |
| 16:04.33 | biggi_mat | wols_: how? netcat? |
| 16:04.35 | tomteyfly | mgregjr: |
| 16:04.44 | wols_ | biggi_mat: python/perl ? |
| 16:04.54 | mgregjr | tomteyfly: are you good at sed? |
| 16:05.10 | biggi_mat | wols_: PHP |
| 16:05.22 | biggi_mat | But you just made a really good point. |
| 16:05.30 | tomteyfly | mgregjr: not really |
| 16:05.46 | mgregjr | preferably find the line with regex |
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| 16:06.02 | marioxcc | Hello. Are there debian mirrors that accept HTTPS? |
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| 16:06.25 | biggi_mat | wols_: Iâll dig into that |
| 16:06.27 | biggi_mat | Thanks |
| 16:06.31 | Faisal | can anyone here please help in mounting my usb/ntfs drive ? |
| 16:06.31 | debia | jelly: hm, lvm + ext4 looks best option for me, also it is supported by debian out of the box. |
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| 16:07.30 | jelly | marioxcc: AFAIK, there aren't any for security.debian.org |
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| 16:07.43 | mgregjr | Faisal: do you know its device name? |
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| 16:08.09 | Faisal | mgregjr: i am not sure, i think it is /dev/bus/usb/002/002 |
| 16:08.23 | Faisal | mgrthats what i get with lsusb -v |
| 16:08.27 | mgregjr | do 'fdisk -l' |
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| 16:08.33 | mgregjr | and identify it there |
| 16:08.38 | mgregjr | also 'lsblk' |
| 16:08.38 | Faisal | mgregjr: thats the thing, i dont find it there |
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| 16:09.07 | Faisal | mgregjr: meither with lsblk |
| 16:09.14 | mgregjr | Faisal: then unplug the usb, plug it back in and then do 'dmesg' |
| 16:09.40 | Faisal | dmesg shows this |
| 16:09.40 | Faisal | [38264.247144] usb 2-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-platform |
| 16:09.40 | Faisal | [38264.399245] usb 2-1: New USB device found, idVendor=05e3, idProduct=0718 |
| 16:09.40 | Faisal | [38264.405961] usb 2-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=2 |
| 16:09.40 | Faisal | [38264.413148] usb 2-1: Product: USB Storage |
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| 16:10.11 | Faisal | sorry for the flood |
| 16:10.11 | mgregjr | be careful |
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| 16:10.23 | Faisal | will use paste |
| 16:10.45 | Faisal | but i mean it is detected in dmesg |
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| 16:11.03 | Faisal | http://paste.debian.net/134926/ |
| 16:11.03 | mgregjr | does it show you the device name there? it should be the last lines |
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| 16:11.17 | Faisal | mgregjr: that is all i get |
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| 16:12.05 | debia | uh |
| 16:12.15 | mgregjr | don't know, someone else know? |
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| 16:12.38 | mgregjr | i would guess hardware error |
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| 16:12.53 | Faisal | mgregjr: could be, its a very old drive |
| 16:12.59 | Faisal | havent used it in years |
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| 16:15.09 | mgregjr | Faisal: see https://wiki.debian.org/USBStorage and https://wiki.debian.org/USBDrive maybe it can help you |
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| 16:15.21 | Faisal | mgregjr: cheers |
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| 16:16.14 | mgregjr | Faisal: don't have any windows machines? if not you could also restart your computer and see if your bios sees the partitions |
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| 16:16.37 | Faisal | mgregjr: i just tried it right now on windows |
| 16:16.41 | Faisal | mgregjr: it works |
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| 16:17.23 | mgregjr | then have fun on troubleshooting, you'll probably learn a lot :): |
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| 16:24.32 | Elion | hi, i'm using a debian x86_64 on a server with 4GB RAM, but debian is only using 2GB, how can i get it to use the 4GB ? |
| 16:24.42 | Elion | some extra info : https://gist.github.com/Nox-404/5e6d8d078a14e391492b |
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| 16:25.01 | furhun | actually, there are a number of these errors that i just cant get past |
| 16:25.12 | furhun | i even wait for updates and shit but it never is fixed |
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| 16:25.33 | furhun | for example there's this GLIBC6 error that i've been facing a lot for like a month now |
| 16:25.35 | furhun | anyone? |
| 16:25.55 | furhun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.08 | jhutchins | Elion: How are you determining that you're only using 2G? |
| 16:26.24 | ksk | jhutchins: see the paste, free shows only 2G |
| 16:26.28 | komanda | Why does nobody use debian on desktop? |
| 16:26.32 | Elion | look at the gist : free -h said 2G |
| 16:26.41 | furhun | komanda: no one does? |
| 16:26.42 | mtn | komanda: who says they don't? |
| 16:26.54 | JNixx | komanda: Lots of people do... |
| 16:26.57 | ksk | "Linux Srv1 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux" is thtat a debian kernel anyway? im not that up2date.. |
| 16:27.07 | komanda | The people that want to use photoshop for example |
| 16:27.25 | mtn | komanda: haha. photoshop is windows, not linux |
| 16:27.27 | ksk | komanda: because the vendor of photoshop only supports Microsoft Windows!? |
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| 16:27.51 | jhutchins | Elion: Didn't scroll down far enough. That is odd. I presume the video card isn't taking it. |
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| 16:28.29 | jhutchins | Elion: Just for fun, uname -a? |
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| 16:28.41 | komanda | komanda: and mac osx, a bsd decendant. What i'm trying to say is debian is amazing for servers, but for it to enter desktop it needs leadership. |
| 16:28.45 | Elion | jhutchins: already in the gist too |
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| 16:28.51 | Elion | jhutchins: :) |
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| 16:28.52 | mtn | komanda: snore |
| 16:28.54 | furhun | can anybody help me out? |
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| 16:29.05 | jhutchins | komanda: Why does it need anything? Lots of people use it on desktops. |
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| 16:29.51 | ksk | furhun: you want to run some fancy new valve game server on your debian machine? go to google, there is some git repo providing that newer libc for inclusion in that steam directory.. |
| 16:30.14 | komanda | jhutchins: lol http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 |
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| 16:30.29 | furhun | no actually there are two tools i need to run |
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| 16:30.37 | furhun | Atom by Github, and TweakStyle |
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| 16:31.42 | ksk | furhun: if they require newer libc compared to debian stable you probably will not be able to run that software. dont they provide instructions on howto build/use that software on specific distros? |
| 16:32.26 | furhun | basically it is a deb im using |
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| 16:33.08 | ksk | furhun: that deb is for ubuntu, not for debian linux. i dont think we want to support that in here :) |
| 16:33.47 | mtn | furhun: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 16:34.16 | furhun | ksk: first of Deb is debians... so anything that works on Ubuntu must in any case run on debian +https://atom.io/ nowhere is it written that it is for ubuntu only |
| 16:34.40 | komanda | jhutchins: also, mac osx made a grave mistake by fucking up their gui with Yosemite update; if debain adopts the old mac osx gui it will gain mainstream desktop marketshare rapidly |
| 16:35.03 | furhun | also, Debian ought to support more than Ubuntu man.. okay if it were other ease of use stuff then perhaps Ubuntu has more support but here we are talking about libraries man.. every now and then we need to use software that has to be installed |
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| 16:35.54 | ksk | furhun: https://atom.io/faq read that. is states there is a prepackaged version for ubuntu, nothing about debian. and because it (debian and ubuntu) uses the same package format it does not mean they are compatible to use in exchange |
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| 16:37.06 | furhun | ksk: still there just has to be a way to run it .. dont you get the point? compatibility! its been a month roughly and im receiving this error.. |
| 16:37.15 | komanda | The average computer user can't seperate searchbar from URL bar, debian is technically the most decent OS out the but the lack of appreciation for user experience is whats keeping this community back |
| 16:37.48 | furhun | komanda: that was meant for me ? :D |
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| 16:38.14 | ksk | furhun: there probably is a way, but im not willing to put some hours into that problem on a filed im not used to for free, you can of course hack it and make it work :) |
| 16:38.26 | ksk | s/filed/field |
| 16:38.44 | komanda | furhun: <3 |
| 16:38.53 | jhutchins | komanda: Did you have a Debian support question? |
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| 16:40.47 | komanda | jhutchins: i've never had to ask a question bout debian, google solved all my problems. If time was spend on focusing on improving usability i wouldn't have had problems in the first place |
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| 16:41.36 | oskie | hello, is there anyone here in US who has their Debian servers' timezones set to UTC? I'm just curious, do you 1) modify times in /etc/crontab or 2) don't use UTC timezone |
| 16:41.48 | abrotman | in /etc/crontab? |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell oskie about utc |
| 16:42.10 | abrotman | oskie: and yes, many people do |
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| 16:42.46 | oskie | abrotman: yeah, but I mean timezone, not hardware clock |
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| 16:43.04 | komanda | oskie: look into ntp |
| 16:43.06 | jhutchins | komanda: This channel is for debian support questions. If you want to discuss Linux "market share" (irrelevant to non-commercial software) you might try #defocus or #linux. |
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| 16:45.12 | oskie | my boss thinks we should have "Etc/UTC" in /etc/timezone on all servers, but it causes issues with /etc/crontab for one |
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| 16:45.30 | abrotman | what kind of issues? |
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| 16:46.26 | komanda | jhutchins: the amount of value/quality something has is partly determined by the amount of people that use it don't you think? I'm not trying to be an asshole, i just love debian on servers and i'm craving for a decent desktop OS now apple messed up Mac OSX since their Yosemite update |
| 16:46.54 | abrotman | komanda: this is a support channel. Do you have a questiona bout Debian? Lots of people use it on the Desktop, including myself. I'd rather use it than OSX. |
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| 16:48.12 | AlexLikeRock | i like debia :) |
| 16:48.41 | debia | AlexLikeRock: why? :D |
| 16:49.00 | `Kevin | debia: if you do not need snapshotting features then you do not have to go that route at all really |
| 16:49.13 | AlexLikeRock | its so stable :-) |
| 16:49.14 | `Kevin | (xfs) its all what you plan to do/use with your setup |
| 16:50.22 | debia | aha |
| 16:50.32 | jelly | komanda: if you want to invest time to make a better desktop experience, you might want to join the mailing list for people who maintain your favorite desktop environment. See https://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 16:54.09 | debia | ha, cli is better than a desktop |
| 16:54.14 | debia | except design or browsing |
| 16:54.36 | AlexLikeRock | and choise "users" |
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| 16:55.41 | debia | hm |
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| 16:57.15 | komanda | jelly: thanks! OSX has set the bar for certain aspects of a modern desktop OS interms of the interface, the look and it's functionality, i'm a designer that knows how to code and would be intrested in surpassing it. Will lookinto the mailing lists, any IRC channels you recommend? |
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| 16:58.16 | debia | #depression #pain-meds :D |
| 16:58.42 | AlexLikeRock | komanda go to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:59.22 | komanda | AlexLikeRock: lol so GUI is offtopic? thats says enough about this community i guess. |
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| 16:59.55 | jelly | komanda: no, stuff other than tech-support is offtopic. Tolerated when there are no tech questions. |
| 17:00.47 | AlexLikeRock | komanda your talking . i supouse its not a ermergency |
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| 17:01.17 | eb0t | without looking at resolv.conf what is the best way to find the dns servers my machine is using |
| 17:01.47 | oskie | there is no other way |
| 17:02.07 | jelly | komanda: both #debian-kde and #debian-gnome are on irc.oftc.net. #debian-xfce is here on Freenode. Given your background, you might go to upstream projects (like #xfce) |
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| 17:02.28 | phy1729 | you could dig a few things and see what the SERVER: line says |
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| 17:02.37 | eb0t | ah good idea phy1729 |
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| 17:03.15 | eb0t | yes that states it the dig command thanks phy1729 |
| 17:03.24 | oskie | linux (and debian) is not like windows, where important settings are stowed away in obscure places like the registry or "crypt cache" |
| 17:03.41 | jelly | eb0t: why would you _not_ look at resolv.conf? |
| 17:03.59 | eb0t | because i wanted a method that works on any linux system |
| 17:04.01 | eb0t | really |
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| 17:04.20 | jelly | eb0t: alright, but which linux system do you have that doesn't have /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:04.27 | oskie | reading and parsing /etc/resolv.conf is more reliable and faster than than running dig and parsing its output |
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| 17:04.36 | phy1729 | what *nix system even |
| 17:04.41 | eb0t | not sure ..im running debian centos..gentoo pentoo |
| 17:04.56 | eb0t | maybe they all have resolv.conf |
| 17:04.57 | jelly | eb0t: do any of those not have /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:05.12 | eb0t | not sure as im not booted into the otehrs jelly at the moment |
| 17:05.35 | eb0t | but i was thinking maybe as i use systemd...maybe that does things a little differently |
| 17:05.39 | jelly | eb0t: it's a common setup for glibc resolver. |
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| 17:06.03 | oskie | eb0t: you got a point there...systemd may have the information |
| 17:06.12 | eb0t | thats why i was asking |
| 17:06.16 | oskie | along WITH SOME STUPID F***ING "computer generated id" (sorry for the caps) |
| 17:06.22 | eb0t | but didnt want to say as i use systemd with gentoo |
| 17:06.28 | eb0t | and didnt want to rock the room |
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| 17:07.00 | oskie | when I last upgraded, that message from systemd "Generating computer id" made me so annoyed. It's 100% windows style |
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| 17:08.01 | eb0t | im not well versed with systemd at the moment ..but from what i know ..i really like ti |
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| 17:08.25 | eb0t | the problem is the confusion i ahve about how openrc does things...and then in systemd its a bit different |
| 17:08.42 | eb0t | and a lot of the documentation for things is geared round openrc |
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| 17:09.27 | eb0t | but its fast as hell and quite well organised ... |
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| 17:10.20 | jelly | eb0t: not sure how that matters for the resolver library |
| 17:10.59 | eb0t | yes probably doesnt jelly...but i dont know what matters and what doesnt at the moment with systemd |
| 17:11.42 | jelly | eb0t: if you want to know how host names are resolved into numeric addresses, first look at how glibc resolver is set up -- /etc/nsswitch.conf, hosts: line. If there's"dns" in that line, /etc/resolv.conf is the right place. If there's no "dns" in that line, you got something weird. |
| 17:11.53 | jelly | eb0t: systemd isn't relevant. |
| 17:12.09 | jelly | libc resolver library is. |
| 17:12.11 | eb0t | ah ok ..thanks ill have a read up on that jelly |
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| 17:14.10 | jhutchins | eb0t: These days resolv.conf tends to be a dynamically generated file written by dhclient. |
| 17:14.53 | eb0t | ah ok thanks jhutchins. |
| 17:14.56 | `Kevin | oskie: ive yet to try systemd, i dont look forward to it |
| 17:14.56 | jelly | eb0t: meaning: the contents may change from one moment to the other |
| 17:15.09 | eb0t | yes depending on the dhcp server |
| 17:15.23 | jelly | eb0t: also meaning: why do you really want to look them up? |
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| 17:16.18 | eb0t | i set up a small network to practice some stuff..and i manually entered some host information and i thought oh..i havent set a dns server up...lets see what it is set to or if it was set |
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| 17:16.36 | eb0t | i looked and found resolv.conf..and i thought how was that populated when i didnt set a dhcp server |
| 17:16.58 | eb0t | and i though lets see where my dhcpservers are set.... |
| 17:17.12 | eb0t | and i started digging around for other things outside resolv.conf |
| 17:17.19 | eb0t | sorry dns server |
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| 17:18.36 | jhutchins | eb0t: What release are you working with? |
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| 17:19.55 | eb0t | debian wheezy Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:20.49 | eb0t | in fact i was looking at my /etc/network/interfaces and i have already at some point set it back to dhcp |
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| 17:21.28 | jhutchins | eb0t: Well, that explains it. |
| 17:21.48 | jhutchins | eb0t: systemd will be doing network configuration, but not in wheezy. |
| 17:22.12 | eb0t | yes sorry ....but still good to know the stuff about how debian resolves hostnames and stuff |
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| 17:22.59 | jelly | well, it seems you need to learn how any Linux OS resolves hostnames :-) |
| 17:23.09 | oskie | eb0t: perhaps the 'getent' command can help you |
| 17:23.32 | eb0t | ill read up on the getent and also the hostname stuff |
| 17:23.45 | oskie | it can resolve addresses for you, but i don't think it can return DNS server addresses. (DNS resolving is not required) |
| 17:24.08 | eb0t | i like the dig command that throws up some good info |
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| 17:27.29 | eb0t | if debian has both wired ethernet and wireless ethernet available ....which one will it use ? |
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| 17:28.14 | smacia | Hello, I have a problem with the screen resolution on a xen virtual machine, debian jessie, in theory there is 16mb of videoram, but I can only get 800x600 resolution. How can I know the amont of video ram on the debian? |
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| 17:32.05 | eb0t | lspci -v -s 04:00.0 |
| 17:32.08 | eb0t | smacia |
| 17:32.22 | eb0t | first do an lspci to locate your video card |
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| 17:32.34 | smacia | lspci its empty |
| 17:32.50 | eb0t | then issue the first command but instead of 04:00.0 use the appropriate first numeber |
| 17:33.03 | eb0t | if lspci is empty then i assume your driver for your video card is not loaded |
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| 17:34.30 | eb0t | in fact lspci -v would suffice if your card was showing |
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| 17:34.47 | eb0t | but you may have to do sudo lspci -v |
| 17:34.49 | eb0t | not sure |
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| 17:36.03 | smacia | eb0t I read that its normal because im not doing a pci-passthrough |
| 17:36.21 | eb0t | ah ok ..then i dont know about those things ..sorry |
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| 17:37.17 | petn-randall | smacia: What do you mean, "lspci is empty"? You don't have any PCI devices in the VM? |
| 17:37.33 | smacia | im talking about the guest |
| 17:38.26 | eb0t | if you are getting a low res screen then i asume your graphics card driver is not installed.. |
| 17:38.50 | thewanderer1 | hi. I have a weird problem with mpd 0.16.7 on wheezy. It won't resolve host names via DNS, even though other binaries in the system do it just fine... |
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| 17:40.20 | thewanderer1 | While an example call `getent hosts pub6.di.fm` will return the correct IP address for the radio station streaming server, mpd reports an "ERROR: problems decoding http://...", until I add the host to /etc/hosts statically |
| 17:40.42 | thewanderer1 | as far as I can tell, it's the only binary that's having DNS resolution issues - as if it's not touching DNS at all |
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| 18:09.12 | hxm | where can i get documentation about compile a custom kernel? |
| 18:09.26 | Bsims | hxm: debian developers manual? |
| 18:10.09 | hxm | ok |
| 18:10.36 | zupzupper | hxm are you looking for debian specific info or just general "this is how you compile a kernel" info |
| 18:11.10 | hxm | i never did this, so i am looking for documentation about how to do it |
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| 18:14.17 | zupzupper | hxm: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2013/06/compile-linux-kernel/ |
| 18:14.31 | hxm | thank you |
| 18:14.33 | greycat | I would not follow any non-Debian guide to building a custom kernel. |
| 18:14.36 | zupzupper | hxm: try it in a VM a few times if you can, it can be a frustrating process =) |
| 18:14.53 | teraflops | hxm: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html |
| 18:15.18 | hxm | yes, i imagine is not trivial |
| 18:15.48 | greycat | There's a Debian Way to do it, that produces a .deb file. I just can't remember the right bot triggers. |
| 18:15.53 | thewanderer1 | there is also this, from the Debian Reference Manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 18:16.31 | thewanderer1 | !tell hxm about kernel compile |
| 18:16.32 | greycat | I did find <kernel-handbook> so far. Which is new (to me). |
| 18:17.30 | greycat | "make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method..." oh dear. |
| 18:17.37 | teraflops | heh greycat |
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| 18:17.43 | teraflops | im getting old |
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| 18:17.51 | greycat | you & me both |
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| 18:21.15 | hxm | now i have a question |
| 18:21.28 | PenguinMan98 | I'm running apache 2.4.10 on Debian. I installed it via sudo apt-get install apache2 |
| 18:21.31 | hxm | what about compile a kernel for an odd arch armv5tjl |
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| 18:21.39 | PenguinMan98 | a2enmod does not exist |
| 18:21.42 | PenguinMan98 | why not? |
| 18:22.00 | hxm | i think it comes in other package |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | apache 2.4.x is post-wheezy, so I don't know... |
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| 18:22.38 | hxm | ah, so no |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | ,versions apache2 |
| 18:22.54 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; sid: 2.4.10-8; jessie: 2.4.10-8 |
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| 18:23.27 | greycat | You could go to packages.debian.org and find out what package contains a2enmod on jessie. |
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| 18:25.24 | thewanderer1 | ok, so any insight on my weird mpd issue where it won't resolve DNS host names? |
| 18:25.31 | mRMan | Is there a way to list all upgrades that are security related only., Via dpkg or apt or something like that |
| 18:26.07 | greycat | No, they aren't tagged in a way that would make it possible to filter those out. |
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| 18:27.11 | greycat | I think the closest you can get is to report which packages have "urgency=medium" or "urgency=high" as their most recent changelog.Debian.gz entry |
| 18:28.04 | mRMan | thanks greycat yeah Writing a script and I have to total number of packages that need to be upgraded. But looking for security ones then I minus the security and total to get others. |
| 18:29.40 | PenguinMan98 | I've read your answer and I apologize, but I don't understand it. |
| 18:30.48 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=a2enmod&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=amd64 |
| 18:31.28 | PenguinMan98 | I'm sorry. I still don't understand. |
| 18:31.31 | PenguinMan98 | What is 'Jessie' |
| 18:31.50 | PenguinMan98 | what is 'wheezy' |
| 18:31.57 | PenguinMan98 | what is 'squeeze' |
| 18:32.16 | greycat | You said you are running apache2 version 2.4.10. This is in jessie (testing) or sid (unstable). The current stable version of Debian is "wheezy" (Debian 7.x). |
| 18:32.23 | thewanderer1 | !tell PenguinMan98 about debian releases |
| 18:32.25 | greycat | Wheezy has apache 2.2 |
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| 18:32.59 | PenguinMan98 | That page seems to say that a2enmod should have been installed then. If I am indeed running 'Jessie' |
| 18:33.14 | greycat | Yes, it should be in /usr/sbin |
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| 18:34.05 | PenguinMan98 | If I go to that directory and ls, it shows a2enmod* |
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| 18:34.15 | PenguinMan98 | but if I try to execute it, it gives 'command not found' |
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| 18:34.23 | greycat | PATH=/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH |
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| 18:34.30 | thewanderer1 | PenguinMan98, maybe you are trying to execute it as a normal user, instead of root? |
| 18:34.42 | greycat | (Not being root is a very likely candidate.) |
| 18:35.21 | PenguinMan98 | greycat, you are a genius |
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| 18:36.32 | PenguinMan98 | it says my rewrite module is already enabled |
| 18:36.39 | PenguinMan98 | Yet it does not appear in my phpinfo() |
| 18:36.55 | PenguinMan98 | Now I'm worried I have two servers running... |
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| 18:37.26 | bighornram | I have a wireless card in jessie amd64, intel 7260 seems very slow what can I check? windows (dual boot) is faster. getting 300-800 KB/sec on large download. What can I check? |
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| 18:43.19 | squisher | hey folks, I need to regularly apply a small patch to a pkg (vim) and I'm wondering if there is some sort of automated way to do that (patch debian/rules, new changelog entry, then build) |
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| 18:44.20 | squisher | PenguinMan98, phpinfo() tells you what's up with php, but mod_rewrite is an apache module |
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| 18:44.34 | mofino | squisher, make the changes, create a patch. write a small script to apply the patch and prepend the changelog entry. (two cents) |
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| 18:45.13 | squisher | mofino, right, guess I was just a bit lazy :) |
| 18:45.23 | mofino | squisher, totally hear that :) |
| 18:45.34 | r3n1c0n | How can i use mouse on nano? |
| 18:46.07 | mofino | r3n1c0n, are you trying to open the rift to hell? |
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| 18:46.44 | peterS | I...don't think nano supports explicit mouse stuff. so your options are to use the mouse the same way you do in any console or X terminal, i.e., left button to select, middle button to paste, or to use emacs, which I believe does have console mouse integration |
| 18:46.46 | Bsims | r3n1c0n: install and enable moused |
| 18:47.34 | tomteyfly | vim also does mouse stuff |
| 18:47.39 | Bsims | that will enable you to do what peterS said on a regular console |
| 18:47.52 | peterS | Bsims: as the gpm maintainer, I'm curious to know what this 'moused' is |
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| 18:48.37 | Bsims | peterS: well on FreeBSD it enables you to select text on a non X terminal |
| 18:48.47 | peterS | oh ok, so it's the freebsd equivalent to gpm |
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| 18:49.21 | Bsims | peterS: Ok I figured it was available for Debian as everything else is <g> |
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| 18:50.07 | peterS | Bsims: apparently not, at least under that name. maybe it's thrown in with some other freebsd-specific utilities, kinda like 'util-linux' for linux |
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| 18:50.45 | Bsims | peterS: Ok, I know its a optional part of FreeBSD base install |
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| 18:51.36 | peterS | right, and while Debian GNU/kFreeBSD does not directly relate to the FreeBSD base install, surely it takes some bits from there |
| 18:52.02 | peterS | I have a couple of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD VMs for testing, but I haven't actually booted them in a very long time |
| 18:52.17 | Bsims | peterS: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?moused%288%29 for at least some more ideas about how it actually works |
| 18:53.20 | Bsims | Wow it dates back to BSD 2.2 |
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| 18:54.38 | peterS | Bsims: FreeBSD 2.2, not BSD 2.2. BSD 2.2 was almost before the invention of the mouse! |
| 18:54.53 | Bsims | Yeah I realised that after I hit enter |
| 18:55.02 | peterS | well, if there even was such a thing as 2.2BSD. I can't remember. |
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| 18:57.15 | Bsims | Wikipedia says yes 2BSD made it to 2.11BSD and patch 447 was sent out in 2008 |
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| 18:58.04 | greycat | It also says "2.9BSD from 1983" |
| 18:58.14 | Bsims | Not bad for something written for a PDP-11 and VAX |
| 19:00.59 | Walex | greycat: I used 2.9BSD on a Onyx C8002 in 1980... |
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| 19:02.46 | astralis | i can't upgrade - not enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives i also can't download stuff wether i should have enough space available |
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| 19:03.16 | greycat | Free up some space in /var or increase the size of /var or mount another partition as /var/cache/apt or .... |
| 19:03.25 | Walex | greycat: or perhaps 1981, and got a cartrige with a prerelease of VI from Bill Joy and he had not wrotten the docs yet |
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| 19:03.39 | peterS | that or do what I used to do sometimes when I had this problem: upgrade a few packages at a time, then clean out /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:03.53 | greycat | yeah, I've done that as well |
| 19:04.18 | peterS | of course, doing this very well requires some intuition on dependencies |
| 19:04.49 | peterS | (though you can mostly get around that by using 'dpkg --unpack' instead of 'dpkg -i', and then 'dpkg --configure -a' at the end of a larger run) |
| 19:05.47 | Walex | astralis: also look at something like 'du -x --max-depth=3 -m /' | sort -n | tail -10 |
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| 19:06.23 | squisher | astralis, it'll be tons more readable if you use -h for both du and sort -h instead of -n |
| 19:06.52 | peterS | speaking of tail -10, can I just register my annoyance that gnu coreutils thinks head -N and tail -N are deprecated and you should use -n, whereas on solaris, neither head nor tail support a -n flag? |
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| 19:07.30 | greycat | tail -n and head -n are required by POSIX |
| 19:07.35 | Walex | astralis: other options: put '/var/cache/Ã¥pt/archive' on an external device |
| 19:07.44 | peterS | greycat: curious that solaris 11.1 doesn't know about them, then |
| 19:07.49 | greycat | http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/head.html |
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| 19:08.41 | astralis | thats alot of things, i try cleaning the archives folder |
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| 19:09.09 | Walex | squisher: '-m' has the advantage over '-h' that the number of digits in the size acts almost like an histogram. |
| 19:09.22 | peterS | 'apt-get autoclean' is a good start - though not always useful |
| 19:10.11 | squisher | Walex, sure, but in the end I prefer to know quickly how big something is instead of having to count the number of digits. Of course this is a question of personal preference |
| 19:10.12 | astralis | yea there are still tons of deb packages in that folder |
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| 19:11.36 | astralis | sudo rm *.deb - let's see if i can upgrade now |
| 19:12.53 | peterS | man you guys are really triggering my 'I love solaris' today. GNU coreutils ls -s respects -h, solaris ls -s does not. (on solaris, -h only affects the -l size column, not the -s size column) |
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| 19:13.28 | astralis | upgrade still doesn't work |
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| 19:15.07 | astralis | how can i increase the size of var? |
| 19:15.15 | mofino | doesn't work is a fantastic way to describe a technical problem |
| 19:15.23 | greycat | squisher: my beef with -h format is when there are several different numbers and they all come out with different postfixes. I can't tell at a glance that "1.3G" is bigger than "10M" |
| 19:15.34 | thewanderer1 | peterS, my favourite thing about this OpenIndiana install here is I don't have to log on to it all that often... |
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| 19:15.45 | mofino | greycat, -m then? |
| 19:16.29 | squisher | greycat, that's why they're sorted. I then look from biggest to smallest. My problem with -n is that I can't quickly tell whether a file is 1M or 10M |
| 19:16.30 | greycat | Yeah, that can be good. |
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| 19:17.14 | peterS | whoever invented the notation of putting punctuation (, or .) every 3 digits of a large number was onto something |
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| 19:19.02 | arun_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.38 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/pure-ftpd |
| 19:19.39 | GNU\colossus | arun_, what problem? |
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| 19:20.17 | arun_ | Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". while trying to connect to the host |
| 19:20.29 | GNU\colossus | your daemon isn't started |
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| 19:20.56 | greycat | Connection refused means the daemon is not running, or is not listening on the interface/port you're trying to connect to, or there is a firewall rejecting the packets. |
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| 19:22.04 | peterS | oh huh, look at that, U+1F101 DIGIT ZERO COMMA. computers _could_, in other words, show "16,777,216" without taking up more space than "16777216" |
| 19:22.46 | peterS | it's not in the BMP, but everyone supports full unicode by now, surely? (ha.) |
| 19:23.18 | mofino | peterS, sounds impossible (re: UTF8 taking no space to show a comma) |
| 19:23.21 | greycat | The last thing I want is more mathy-text things that I cannot copy/paste into a mathy-text program like bc. |
| 19:23.47 | Gforce | Hi, Why when I press Ctrl + space , then while typing characters show like chines characters? |
| 19:23.49 | peterS | mofino: well, I don't know how you normally render U+1F101, but it _is_ a single code point |
| 19:24.03 | greycat | It's bad enough when some bright bulb decides to use a unicode "minus sign" instead of - |
| 19:24.14 | Gforce | after I press enter, they'll turn to English again. |
| 19:24.33 | peterS | greycat: yes, well, you don't paste du -h numbers into bc either.. |
| 19:24.37 | GNU\colossus | I also love wordpress(?) that auto-translates double and single quotes to some bullshit characters that aren't contained in ASCII, for no reason |
| 19:24.50 | mofino | greycat, haha |
| 19:24.52 | Gforce | I'm using Gnome.I checked layout options but didn't see anything unusual. |
| 19:24.55 | GNU\colossus | makes copy-pasting config statements and code fragments such a joy |
| 19:25.13 | thewanderer1 | WTF-8 Appreciation Hour commence! |
| 19:25.17 | mofino | GNU\colossus, probably because apple does it |
| 19:25.24 | arun_ | GNU\colossus: can that be the issue with ISPConfig? |
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| 19:25.50 | GNU\colossus | arun_, I have no idea. I'd recommend you to stay away from both ISPconfig, and ftp (as a protocol choice). |
| 19:26.00 | mofino | hey, nothing wrong with FTP |
| 19:26.09 | greycat | *cough* |
| 19:26.12 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 19:26.21 | GNU\colossus | greycat's wiki has a nice thing or two to say |
| 19:26.23 | GNU\colossus | about FTP |
| 19:26.26 | GNU\colossus | right? ;) |
| 19:26.28 | greycat | yes |
| 19:26.42 | mofino | going to be a stretch in 2014 |
| 19:26.55 | arun_ | greycat: may I get the wiki url? |
| 19:27.04 | greycat | They're referring to http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 19:27.06 | GNU\colossus | I really appreciate that document, greycat, btw |
| 19:27.10 | peterS | FTP is brilliant. the client gives the server an IP _and_ port for it to connect back to in order to send bulk data |
| 19:27.27 | arun_ | greycat: lol |
| 19:27.33 | GNU\colossus | it makes arguing against that typical "hey, let's just use FTP to solve $problem!"-bs so much easier |
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| 19:28.10 | peterS | perhaps it isn't fair to poke fun at PORT now that everyone's been using PASV for the past 15 to 20 years |
| 19:28.40 | mofino | hmm not sure about this document |
| 19:29.12 | mofino | multi-port is a problem with NAT, but it's very easy to workaround |
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| 19:30.10 | mofino | FTP makes a new connection to the client? that would break immediate if the client was using NAT |
| 19:30.27 | greycat | In active mode, yes. The server connects back to the client for each file transfer. |
| 19:30.27 | arun_ | guys, is it possible to change port for a ftp server? |
| 19:30.41 | mofino | greycat, i thought active was port 20? |
| 19:31.03 | greycat | The main issue is the DIRECTION. The server connects to the client. |
| 19:31.32 | mofino | i suppose i haven't noticed this before |
| 19:31.44 | hikenboot_ | anyone know how to enable logging in nbd? I put under the [generic] section "transactionlog = /var/log/nbd" but it doesnt seem to create the log |
| 19:31.46 | greycat | In passive mode, it's the other way. |
| 19:32.46 | GNU\colossus | greycat, if only it were connectionless UDP on behalf of the client! we could DDoS the shit out of everything without having to reloy on DNS or NTP reflection. :( |
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| 19:33.17 | peterS | mofino: the reason you haven't noticed this awesome ftp design is because at some point it became clear how insane this was in the age of firewalls and then NAT, and people started using PASV mode, which still makes too many tcp connections, but at least, they're all in the same direction |
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| 19:34.01 | jelly | GNU\colossus: also seen in the wild: snmp reflection (yay printers on public IP!) |
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| 19:34.28 | GNU\colossus | jelly, ah. I've been waiting for that to knock the company I'm working for offline one fine day |
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| 19:34.50 | mofino | so should i have a listen port from my FTP client then? |
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| 19:35.14 | peterS | mofino: it creates one, randomly, every time it needs one |
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| 19:35.25 | teraflops | lol snmp |
| 19:35.28 | mofino | ok i'll keep looking |
| 19:35.50 | Cr0ws | hi, im trying to update my ftpserver wich is vsftpd 2.3.5 to 3.0.2 but last time i broke the server, how is it done? |
| 19:36.06 | greycat | ,versions vsftpd |
| 19:36.07 | judd | Package: vsftpd on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.3.5-3; jessie: 3.0.2-17; sid: 3.0.2-17 |
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| 19:36.21 | Cr0ws | im on wheezy |
| 19:36.32 | greycat | If you're on wheezy, you would need to backport it from jessie (unless that has been done already by someone else like backports.org) |
| 19:36.46 | jelly | judd would have listed backports.org |
| 19:36.51 | GNU\colossus | why would you even want to upgrade in the first place? |
| 19:37.03 | Cr0ws | tls connections breaks |
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| 19:37.20 | GNU\colossus | (is today legacy turd protocol implementation appreciation day, or what?) |
| 19:37.29 | greycat | Apparently so. |
| 19:37.32 | Cr0ws | :) |
| 19:37.46 | mofino | ok, it just uses the callback for validation |
| 19:37.52 | mofino | seems reasonable for port 20 |
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| 19:40.03 | mofino | on a side, blaming FTP for send buffer problems (corruption at the bottom of this page) isn't really fair |
| 19:40.45 | karlpinc | (But then, active FTP mode is safer if you've an ftp proxy, since the proxy can tell what port the second connection is going to use and can punch a hole in the firwall specific to the endpoints in question for just that one time. IIRC.) |
| 19:40.58 | mofino | active FTP does suck, no doubt |
| 19:41.11 | Cr0ws | well i read flashfxp dont like that 2.3.5 version so might be that too, but as it is newly installed ftpserver i might as well update it to the latest |
| 19:41.24 | karlpinc | Best answer, don't use ftp. |
| 19:41.31 | mofino | karlpinc, not reasonable at all |
| 19:41.43 | mofino | smtp is flawed as well |
| 19:41.45 | jelly | and yet consumer firewall and router stuff deals with active ftp better than passive. Yay conntrack. |
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| 19:42.04 | teraflops | lolftp |
| 19:42.11 | karlpinc | mofino: ? |
| 19:42.17 | Gforce | Any idea on my problem? |
| 19:42.30 | peterS | but hey, at least with ftp, I can get a text file and not worry about whether the server happens to encode it with ms-dos line endings, unix line endings, or EBCDIC! |
| 19:42.54 | jelly | sorry. backports.debian.org is in judd. Dunno what backports.org is. |
| 19:42.59 | peterS | because, you know, I hate it when I pull down a README.txt and it's in EBCDIC |
| 19:43.07 | mofino | peterS, what are you on about? |
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| 19:43.53 | karlpinc | mofino: ftp does text translations for eol and various other sorts of encodings, because it knows you're transfering text. I forget the details. |
| 19:44.03 | peterS | you could consider the previous point an artifact of a TYPE A personality |
| 19:44.09 | jelly | peterS: my /etc/multipath.conf on a production system was half-full of \r's! Because ibm's ftp site. |
| 19:44.10 | debia | When using guided partitioning during Debian setup, what partition table type is used by default? msdos? gpt? |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | It assumes you're transferring text, unless you set it to "IMAGE mode". |
| 19:44.13 | mofino | indeed, TYPE A isn't for transfers.. |
| 19:44.15 | debia | anyone? |
| 19:44.16 | debia | :D |
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| 19:44.49 | peterS | debia: I believe it depends on the size of the disk - <= 2 TB, msdos, > 2 TB, gpt. but I'm not certain. |
| 19:44.58 | mofino | peterS, that's it |
| 19:45.04 | Lady_Aleena | What is the web addy to find out what version of KDE I should be running on Wheezy? |
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| 19:45.27 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: packages.debian.org? ? |
| 19:45.38 | greycat | ,versions kde |
| 19:45.39 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 19:45.44 | greycat | Hmm. |
| 19:45.49 | debia | peterS: When the metal is pure and no windows comes on, just linux (debian), I can safely use GPT? |
| 19:45.51 | debia | GPT = UEFI? |
| 19:46.06 | mofino | GPT is a partition table type |
| 19:46.09 | mofino | UEFI is a bios |
| 19:46.24 | peterS | GPT is used by and often associated with UEFI, yes. I'm not sure of the exact relationship - whether a UEFI BIOS can boot a non-GPT disk, or what |
| 19:46.46 | teraflops | debia: if youre in UEFI(non legacy)/EFI you get gpt |
| 19:47.17 | debia | peterS: Very interesting point, the machine in question is a KVM virtual machine. Does KVM support (U)EFI (and so GPT)? |
| 19:47.21 | greycat | ,versions konsole |
| 19:47.22 | judd | Package: konsole on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:4.14.2-1 |
| 19:47.34 | zmisc | I use GPT on systems without EFI |
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| 19:48.05 | peterS | debia: kvm has some sort of limited uefi mode, I think, but I've never used it. I also don't know whether the default kvm bios can boot a uefi disk created by d-i |
| 19:48.06 | mofino | pretty sure the bootloader cares about the parition table type, not the bios |
| 19:48.09 | phy1729 | mofino: UEFI is a tpye of mobo firmware as is BIOS |
| 19:48.10 | debia | zmisc: but the bios or bootloader in rom has to support it somehow? |
| 19:48.30 | debia | any advantages of using GPT and not having a disk above that 2TB limit? |
| 19:48.34 | mofino | unless UEFI is looking at the disk past the bootloader... for some reason |
| 19:48.44 | phy1729 | UEFI can read GPT and FAT which makes UEFI much nicer for bootloaders |
| 19:48.58 | mofino | debia, may as well get used to using GPT |
| 19:48.58 | peterS | mofino: yes, well, the distinction between bios and bootloader is blurrier than it used to be |
| 19:49.11 | mofino | peterS, aye... much blur these days |
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| 19:49.47 | phy1729 | how is it blurry? Code on mobo: firmware; code on disk: bootloader |
| 19:49.48 | debia | mofino / peterS: OK, so the question whether I can use GPT instead legacy msdos partition table (for the boot partition btw?) is rather a question for #kvm as it is the limiting factor here. |
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| 19:50.08 | zmisc | debia: grub supports booting from gpt |
| 19:50.09 | mofino | phy1729, UEFI can do more than what a traditional BIOS could do |
| 19:50.12 | Lady_Aleena | Is it possible a newer version of Kmail came with KDE when I first installed it, and an update/upgrade downgraded it? |
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| 19:50.33 | greycat | apt will never downgrade anything |
| 19:50.34 | mofino | debia, you probably don't even need a parition for your KVM image |
| 19:50.38 | phy1729 | mofino: sure it take over some roles that a bootloader had to do with BIOS but there's still a distinct line |
| 19:50.41 | debia | zmisc: ah, so it isn't really hypervisor related, but bootloader related then |
| 19:50.56 | peterS | debia: well, yeah, kvm launches the boot loader, grub, and grub loads the OS. The question is whether, on GPT, d-i installs grub in such a way that kvm can bootstrap it |
| 19:50.57 | debia | mofino: I want to separate system + data to make backups and management easier for me. |
| 19:50.58 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Does not sound likely to me. Did you install something from backports perhaps? |
| 19:51.04 | mofino | phy1729, i dont think it takes over roles, just 'looks' deeper |
| 19:51.17 | debia | peterS: So kvm provides an emulated bootloader like the one in ROM |
| 19:51.26 | mofino | debia, ahh ok, i usually just create another slice / disk |
| 19:51.32 | debia | and chainloads the GRUB loader which already can handle those new gpt tables. |
| 19:51.32 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, nothing to do with Kmail, just IceWeasel and LibreOffice (I think). |
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| 19:51.47 | mofino | debia, saves from having to use parition tables, makes the disks easier to manipulate |
| 19:51.50 | peterS | it provides an entire bios, yes, including the thing that loads and runs something on the disk that is typically a bootloader |
| 19:51.51 | debia | mofino: slice? ah, you can manage the instance. I got this kvm instance assinged as-is. I can modify the contents and system. |
| 19:52.01 | phy1729 | mofino: UEFI can handle boot orders and mounting a bootloader partition both things older bootloaders had to do |
| 19:52.09 | debia | mofino: with slice thing you mean that you add a further disk to the kvm instance by hypervisor? |
| 19:52.09 | mofino | debia, slice being just a block of storage, like an image, or LVM lv |
| 19:52.34 | debia | mofino: pardon my naivity, like in VMware workstation where I hit 'add' and add a further harddisk image to the virtual machine? |
| 19:52.47 | mofino | debia, yeah |
| 19:52.49 | phy1729 | debia: this is a really good explination of UEFI https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ |
| 19:53.11 | mofino | debia, this is just how i do it, might not be a good idea for you |
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| 19:54.16 | debia | mofino: I could only do this if I had access to the hypervisor to manipulate that kvm instance. But I just got the shell / rescue access to it. |
| 19:54.27 | mofino | debia, oh my bad |
| 19:54.38 | mofino | debia, you're clouding it up :) |
| 19:54.41 | bighornram | how do I troubleshoot slow iwlwifi download speeds? |
| 19:54.50 | debia | mofino: yes, I will switch to cloud soon. |
| 19:54.57 | debia | But there are also legacy systems I have to still maintain. |
| 19:55.01 | debia | I isn't that easy :D |
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| 19:56.13 | mofino | :) |
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| 19:56.33 | debia | but I will be glad using cloud then, just spinning up new instances when I need them. |
| 19:56.38 | debia | and paying less, only for what is needed. |
| 19:56.38 | linagee | can I use jessie packages for wheezy if I don't get any errors when installing the .deb? |
| 19:56.48 | debia | linagee: yes |
| 19:56.59 | squisher | bighornram, check for newer kernels, google for known issues, check if there's a newer driver that's maybe maintained aside from the linux kernel tree |
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| 19:57.12 | linagee | debia: trying to use mojolicious perl .debs. (And of course with that sort of thing, their development changes fast, so I need the newest version possible.) |
| 19:57.17 | greycat | linagee: basic rule of thumb, if your package causes libc6 to upgrade past what's in wheezy, you're not running wheezy any more. |
| 19:57.24 | debia | linagee: abi/api compatibility should be ensures sufficiently by the debian package control fields. |
| 19:57.28 | mofino | linagee, might be best to pull mojolicious from cpan |
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| 19:57.35 | debia | oh yes, never mix package sources without exactly knowing what you are doing |
| 19:57.39 | mofino | linagee, just because it's perl |
| 19:57.53 | linagee | mofino: we can't use cpan unfortunately. our admin hasn't worked out how to get that working with puppet. :( |
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| 19:58.02 | debia | yep, scripts are not abi related, but the api/libs could still make problems here. |
| 19:58.04 | Lady_Aleena | Does anyone here use KDE's Kmail? I need help with setting something up, and the KDE website must have the help for a later version than what I have. |
| 19:58.16 | mofino | linagee, easy, just assemble it on one machine and copy that ball of files |
| 19:58.16 | jelly | mofino: yeah... no, installed stuff from cpan is a pain next time a release upgrade happens |
| 19:58.36 | soud | What could be the cause of my old computer not detecting the ethernet? It worked fine before switching ISP and it works on other machines. |
| 19:58.38 | linagee | mofino: they like puppet because they don't have to do as much. which means I get blocked when I try to go outside of that workflow. :( |
| 19:58.39 | mofino | jelly, so pulling a package from jessie into wheezy is better somehow? |
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| 19:58.58 | linagee | mofino: probably though........ shell execute sudo cpan install BLAH |
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| 19:59.00 | linagee | (from puppet) |
| 19:59.09 | jelly | mofino: in this case, it probably is, barring unseen effects |
| 19:59.14 | mofino | linagee, or just build it up on a dev machine and copy the tarball |
| 19:59.23 | mofino | jelly, not at all |
| 19:59.30 | bighornram | squisher: well I'm running jessie amd64 currently updated. I have a wget transfer from debian.org (first cd of install) running right now. 53KB/s |
| 19:59.31 | debia | you can also backport it to wheezy by re-building the source package. |
| 19:59.33 | linagee | mofino: that's outside of puppet best practices which lets an admin build a machine fast |
| 20:00.02 | linagee | debia: or just use the existing .deb if no dependencies conflict.... (I hope/guess) |
| 20:00.02 | mofino | linagee, puppet mentality probably isn't one-size fits all |
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| 20:00.13 | linagee | debia: (that sort of thing looks like its working in our dev env anyway) |
| 20:00.13 | mofino | sounds like a mess |
| 20:00.34 | linagee | (forcing a jessie deb into wheezy) |
| 20:00.42 | mofino | nasty |
| 20:00.49 | jelly | mofino: I've installed perl crap from cpan (recursively! :-), built my own with dh-make-perl, and even stole from newer debian like above |
| 20:01.18 | linagee | mofino: libmojolicious-perl doesn't even have a libc dependency. just a perl dependency. :) |
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| 20:01.30 | mofino | linagee, of course |
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| 20:01.56 | jelly | mofino: gut feeling says the package from jessie will probably be as good as or better than one generated with dh-make-perl, the only issue is if there are undeclared deps on new perl or something in new perl's base modules |
| 20:02.08 | mofino | to me, local install using cpanp to /opt/program, package, deploy. updates? run install again, package, deploy |
| 20:02.33 | mofino | jelly, this is why you put all deps into one dir |
| 20:02.43 | mofino | dont have to fool around with debian deps or /usr/local mess |
| 20:03.08 | jelly | mofino: that works if you keep track of all the locally installed stuff, and check it works on every release upgrade |
| 20:03.16 | soud | What could be the cause of my old computer not detecting the ethernet? It worked fine before switching ISP and it works on other machines. |
| 20:03.17 | mofino | cpanp keeps track of it |
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| 20:03.38 | debia | linagee: puppet / scm best practice and best practice in overall would be to provide packages for it. |
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| 20:03.52 | debia | linagee: rather re-build the package as backport from jessie and use a private debian repository. |
| 20:03.53 | jelly | mofino: but then you don't get security fixes for deps, that you might get from the distro |
| 20:03.55 | mofino | jelly, uprades are another issue, but the same problem applies to backporting jessie to wheezy |
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| 20:04.01 | debia | this would be the right way, although more complicated of course. |
| 20:04.39 | jelly | it's the old "bundle vs single copy" issue |
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| 20:04.48 | debia | hm |
| 20:04.53 | mofino | yeah pretty much |
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| 20:07.51 | smacia | where I have to put options to kernel cmdline |
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| 20:08.21 | debia | smacia: what bootloader are you using? I guess grub. Then try the e key during startup. |
| 20:08.30 | smacia | grub, the default of jessie |
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| 20:09.53 | debia | smacia: ok, so 'e' key during startup allows you to modify the args passed to kernel by grub. |
| 20:09.59 | debia | I guess you want to do some rescue thing? |
| 20:10.22 | debia | How much GB would you recommend for a bare debian server with some packages installed? |
| 20:10.31 | debia | not the data, just the server, the system |
| 20:10.36 | smacia | no, its for xen, its a option for a module |
| 20:10.38 | debia | I thought about 5GB being already sufficient. |
| 20:10.44 | debia | smacia: aha |
| 20:11.05 | debia | well, then you can't/don't simply hit 'e' as you are configuring something on hypervisor (xen). |
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| 20:11.09 | smacia | hahah no |
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| 20:11.13 | greycat | For a base debian install, server, not workstation, no X, I'd say 2GB or so. |
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| 20:11.50 | smacia | its about this topic http://old-list-archives.xenproject.org/xen-users/2011-09/msg00558.html |
| 20:11.56 | greycat | Obviously that can grow very quickly if you install a database and a web server and so on. |
| 20:12.04 | Lady_Aleena | breaks. |
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| 20:15.14 | Lady_Aleena | It is bad enough I have to go to use Google contacts to get addresses which should be in a local address book, but now I can't configure the Kmail email client to look the way I want it to because it is missing a configuration option. |
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| 20:22.13 | Gforce | Hi, Why when I press Ctrl + space , then while typing characters show like chines characters? After I press enter, they'll turn to English again.I'm using Gnome.I checked layout options but didn't see anything unusual. |
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| 20:33.06 | Guest2710 | Anal sex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odsgr2ekg8U |
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| 20:37.54 | Gforce | No idea? |
| 20:38.40 | greycat | Sounds like some gnome-terminal feature. It's not clear to me whether you were just trying to ask whether this is a feature or a bug, or whether you wanted to disable it, or change it to some language other than Chinese. |
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| 20:39.52 | mofino | Gforce, did you ask #gnome? |
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| 20:41.35 | Gforce | greycat:I wanna disable it. |
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| 20:41.43 | Gforce | mofino: Good idea! |
| 20:42.18 | edu | hi, i want to install debian stable on an EXTERNAL HDD, i've been googling but i'm dense, so far i've understood the following, from the BIOS (boot from usb) go ahead and install, but when it gets to the grub/mbr options will it work from the mbr? thanks... |
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| 20:43.20 | greycat | Gforce: first thing I found from google was: http://askubuntu.com/questions/445676/ctrl-space-not-working-in-terminal-after-installing-cinnamon |
| 20:43.28 | Brigo | edu, yes it should works. Grubs can boot from everything :) |
| 20:43.44 | Gforce | greycat:I don't have this problem only in terminal. |
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| 20:45.03 | edu | Brigo, thanks a lot pal! |
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| 20:49.31 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to find out what was done in the last update/upgrade so I can see if one of them removed a font. |
| 20:49.49 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: read the file /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:50.12 | Guest11178 | Does debian have tracking code on it in which it sends to debian developers like your social security or passwords? |
| 20:50.36 | greycat | How would even GET your social security number? |
| 20:51.01 | Guest11178 | if i enter it and the system had code to detect it? |
| 20:51.05 | greycat | At no point do you typically type it into your computer, unless you're filling out tax returns or something. |
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| 20:51.32 | Guest11178 | so debian doesnt record what you do? |
| 20:51.37 | Gforce | greycat:Didn't help.There is no configuration to Ctrl + space in layout setting.any way, the layout still is in english but characters .... |
| 20:51.38 | greycat | No. |
| 20:52.26 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, nothing there about removing or altering the monospace font, so why does it look like arial? |
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| 20:53.17 | Gforce | greycat:And also ibus is not installed. |
| 20:53.57 | greycat | Gforce: it seems nobody here knows about this gnome stuff, sorry. |
| 20:54.12 | Loshki | Guest11178: no, it doesn't record what you do, unless you make special arrangements. And don't forget about your browser history. |
| 20:54.44 | Gforce | greycat:I'm not sure even if it's a gnome stuff. |
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| 20:55.01 | someHuman | What software can I use to burn an ISO to a flash drive? |
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| 20:55.13 | teraflops | dd? |
| 20:55.20 | teraflops | if hybrid |
| 20:55.23 | squisher | unetbootin |
| 20:55.37 | squisher | someHuman, and that's not burning anymore ;-) |
| 20:55.51 | Loshki | cdrecord/growisofs/k3b. You need to burn it in 'image mode' of course. |
| 20:55.51 | mgregjr | someHuman: is it debian? |
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| 20:57.51 | greycat | You would not use cdrecord to write an ISO image file to a non-CD, non-DVD device. |
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| 20:58.39 | teraflops | nah the question is so vague I think |
| 20:58.56 | greycat | The question is vague, but Loshki's answer is almost certainly wrong. |
| 20:58.58 | someHuman | Haha! Ok. |
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| 20:59.17 | someHuman | I want to install Trisquel on my system through via flash drive. |
| 20:59.27 | someHuman | via* |
| 20:59.30 | someHuman | What the F?! |
| 20:59.30 | greycat | and your system contains Debian currently? |
| 20:59.31 | someHuman | Haha! |
| 20:59.36 | someHuman | Yup, onyl. |
| 20:59.38 | someHuman | only* |
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| 21:00.01 | mgregjr | someHuman: most often, dd should be all you need |
| 21:00.09 | greycat | Then you'd most likely do something like "dd if=myfile.iso of=/dev/sdb" where /dev/sdb is the Flash drive (be careful! make sure you get the RIGHT device) |
| 21:00.18 | mgregjr | so dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:00.40 | mgregjr | double the advice! |
| 21:00.48 | someHuman | How about disc image creator that comes with Trisquel? |
| 21:00.51 | greycat | What I like to do is, right after plugging in the device, look at "dmesg | tail". The kernel usually tells you what device it assigned. |
| 21:00.53 | teraflops | bs=whatever for not waiting until the end of times I think |
| 21:01.06 | someHuman | Isn't there a GUI way? |
| 21:01.11 | mgregjr | bs only affects reading, not writing |
| 21:01.14 | squisher | unetbootin is a gui |
| 21:01.22 | abrotman | Do not use unetbootin |
| 21:01.23 | mgregjr | someHuman: GUI is for sheep |
| 21:01.23 | someHuman | Ok I'll use unetbootin then. |
| 21:01.23 | teraflops | someHuman: i guess there is one |
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| 21:01.31 | abrotman | someHuman: please don't, use win32diskimager |
| 21:01.34 | someHuman | teraflops: What is it? |
| 21:01.39 | abrotman | unetbootin is a broken pile of crap |
| 21:01.44 | someHuman | lol |
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| 21:01.47 | teraflops | someHuman: yo do not use unetbootin |
| 21:01.50 | abrotman | !unetbootin |
| 21:01.50 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:02.04 | someHuman | lol |
| 21:02.10 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:02.11 | someHuman | I have a Trisquel CD here. |
| 21:02.15 | someHuman | I'll just use that instead. |
| 21:02.20 | teraflops | someHuman: just use dd |
| 21:02.29 | someHuman | It's just that installing Trisquel via flash is much faster I think. |
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| 21:02.49 | someHuman | But to avoid complications, I'll just use my CD :) |
| 21:02.54 | someHuman | Thanks anyways :) |
| 21:02.55 | teraflops | lol |
| 21:02.58 | teraflops | yw |
| 21:03.06 | squisher | that certainly depends on the quality of the flash |
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| 21:08.36 | archetech2 | so for kicks I moved a HDD from one pc to another old via-c7 to sempron 2100+ |
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| 21:09.25 | archetech2 | it booted and runs fine anything I should do/run to make sure its not corrupting anything in the transition its deb 6.10 |
| 21:10.00 | greycat | I can't imagine any reason booting your hard drive in another computer would cause corruption, unless the computer has failing hardware (bad RAM, etc. |
| 21:10.27 | archetech2 | ok cool what about drivers |
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| 21:10.53 | archetech2 | nic works video works |
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| 21:11.08 | archetech2 | im kinda surprised |
| 21:11.10 | greycat | If anything doesn't work, then you may have to install the software to make it work. That's basically it. |
| 21:11.31 | archetech2 | nice try that with windows or mac eh :) |
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| 21:11.59 | someHuman | Guys! |
| 21:12.19 | someHuman | Could you teach me again how to burn the ISO to flash drive via dd? :D |
| 21:12.38 | greycat | dd if=filename of=devicename |
| 21:13.15 | mtn | someHuman: bookmark this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 21:13.27 | greycat | devicename is USUALLY going to be something like /dev/sdX where X is some letter |
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| 21:14.35 | someHuman | For some reason, my lappy would not load discs. |
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| 21:15.41 | mc_fail | .й |
| 21:15.43 | someHuman | Hello? |
| 21:15.49 | mc_fail | sorry |
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| 21:19.29 | Lady_Aleena | wishes for a "my config files are <here>" in all of the programs on her system. |
| 21:19.42 | jhutchins | greycat: Aren't removables usually /dev/sr?? |
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| 21:19.56 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: you can get close to that with dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 21:20.12 | greycat | No, /dev/sr* is the SCSI Generic Device for a CD-type thing |
| 21:20.15 | dondelelcaro | (and programs really should have manpages which list their configuration files) |
| 21:20.27 | greycat | Flash drives are USB Mass Storage and they show up as SCSI Disks (sd) |
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| 21:20.52 | jhutchins | I thought it was sr for removable, but wasn't sure. My USB's gone missing. |
| 21:21.00 | abrotman | thought sr* was for SCSI Recordable? |
| 21:21.02 | Lady_Aleena | dondelelcaro, I don't know if the program, jessie's terminator, is in the dpkg listing. I had to do something different to install it, and I can't remember what it was. |
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| 21:21.27 | greycat | types "man sr", gets nothing, and criticizes Linux for not being BSD |
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| 21:21.45 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -S terminator; will give you a start of the package name, and dpkg -L can show you more about it |
| 21:21.51 | rryoumaa | is there a command line program i can run to get the changelog for the jessie version of a program if i am in wheezy? in particular, i am curious whether rsync added a feature between the two versions. |
| 21:22.21 | dondelelcaro | rryoumaa: the Debian changelog is on packages.debian.org; for other changelogs, your best bet is to check upstream |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | rryoumaa: aptitude changelog <pkgname> (though it won't show you "wheezy", but the whole changelog) |
| 21:22.59 | rryoumaa | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 21:33.50 | Lady_Aleena | Are there any mainstream terminal emulators out there which do not line wrap (or I can turn the line wrap off permanently)? jessies.org Terminator is okay, but with it loosing the definition for the monospace font, I think I may need another emulator. |
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| 21:37.16 | Lady_Aleena | I did as dondelelcaro suggested and ran dpkg -L org.jessies.terminator but none of the files returned jumps out at me as a config file. |
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| 21:40.02 | debia | Alright, should I define a rootfs + swap logical volume when using LVM? |
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| 21:41.22 | debia | How is this handled in debian setup? I am glad I can set up manually LVM logical volumes there. |
| 21:41.28 | debia | What is with the swap disk? |
| 21:41.31 | debia | !!! |
| 21:41.31 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:41.54 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: I'm not sure what you mean by line wrapping |
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| 21:42.52 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: for what should it be good for? no wrap |
| 21:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: but I think xterm +aw; might be what you want. |
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| 21:44.17 | marioxcc1 | Hello. Is there a forum software that uses database transactions to assure data integrity?. |
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| 21:44.30 | Lady_Aleena | dondelelcaro, when a line is long, I've found most Linux terminal emulators will wrap the line. I don't want the line wrapped, just let it go as far to the right as it is long. |
| 21:44.35 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: if so, you can just set Xterm*autoWrap: false; in your .Xresources |
| 21:44.40 | Brigo | Lady_Aleena, this file is not in the package it should be created in config process |
| 21:45.24 | Brigo | debian, you can do as you wish. |
| 21:46.36 | teraflops | debia: you can setup the layout using gpartedlive/whatever if you feel better that way |
| 21:46.48 | debia | hm |
| 21:46.57 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: problem comes with long commands that will override the beginning of line if terminal ends |
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| 21:48.02 | Lady_Aleena | Where is .Xresources. I tried find to find it, but I keep getting an error message. |
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| 21:48.41 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: it's a file that you would have to create |
| 21:48.42 | teraflops | debia: I think you said that is a kvm vm, you can do that way on kvm if you wish |
| 21:48.47 | squisher | Lady_Aleena, ~/.Xresources (directly in your home directory) |
| 21:48.48 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: i think you are thinkng of an horizintal scroll |
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| 21:49.04 | marioxcc | Hello. Is there a forum software that uses database transactions to assure data integrity?. |
| 21:49.07 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, right, I don't mind horizontal scrolling. |
| 21:49.09 | banjo | if not .Xresources you habe .Xdefaults |
| 21:49.15 | debia | teraflops: you mean adding virtual disks instead partitioning one single disk? |
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| 21:49.40 | greycat | or you might not have either file yet |
| 21:49.44 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: i dont think that there is an emulator with horizonal scrolling |
| 21:49.45 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, I do mind when my lines are wrapped when I don't want them to be. Terminal emulators should never alter the output of anything. |
| 21:49.57 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, jessie's Terminator has it. |
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| 21:50.53 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: dont know why this should be usefull. with line wrapping i can see the whole command |
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| 21:51.38 | teraflops | debia: as you wish, but I do not see the point of doing that, not knowing your goal anyways |
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| 21:51.42 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, most of the time (with my perl scripts), I want to verify my tabination is correct. I can't do that when my lines are wrapped. |
| 21:51.43 | greycat | I suspect she cares about some program's table-like output, not her typed input. |
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| 21:52.19 | banjo | but xterm +aw doesnt give you a scrollfunction. instead of that you will override the one line you are typing in over and over again |
| 21:52.21 | Lady_Aleena | The only time I want a newline is when I explicitly ask for one. |
| 21:52.35 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: 'less -S' |
| 21:52.38 | greycat | banjo: you're focusing on INPUT. I don't think that's the concern. |
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| 21:52.59 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, the output of less doesn't stay when it is stopped. |
| 21:53.10 | greycat | It does if you export LESS=-X |
| 21:53.24 | greycat | (I have no idea why that isn't the default.) |
| 21:53.43 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: as "greycat" says "less -SX"... |
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| 21:54.16 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: my default 'less' flags are indeed '-SXi' because I look at a lot of logs and similar stuff |
| 21:54.17 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I guess I will stay with jessie's Termiator for now. I don't know where all these suggestions should go. |
| 21:54.44 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: you can also use 'screen' for that, or EMACS with various shell modes. |
| 21:54.49 | greycat | dondelelcaro's suggestion of "xterm +aw" seems to be the best fit |
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| 21:55.09 | Walex2 | greycat: horizontal scrolling not included though... IIRC |
| 21:55.13 | greycat | Correct. |
| 21:55.14 | Lady_Aleena | jessie's Terminator threw me when I saw the output from ls in a font which looked a lot like arial. |
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| 21:56.30 | Lady_Aleena | So, put something like less='less -SXi' in my .bash_aliases? |
| 21:56.40 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: greycat: 'screen' has 'defwrap on/off' or C-aC-t to toggle, and the nice property that it reflows wrapped lines when terminal width changes |
| 21:56.41 | greycat | I prefer export LESS=-SXi |
| 21:56.53 | greycat | that way it works when you invoke man, etc. |
| 21:56.58 | banjo | greycat: ok but on output i dont understand it either. how can i scroll to the right with xterm +aw? |
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| 21:57.00 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, where do I put that? |
| 21:57.07 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: yes, setting an env variable in the profile is much better |
| 21:57.08 | greycat | banjo: you can't. it just truncates. |
| 21:57.15 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: in .bashrc or .bash_profile |
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| 21:57.44 | debia | teraflops: right, one would simply add a further disk using kvm hypervisor, right. |
| 21:57.47 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: also try 'screen -e YOURCOMMAND' and then ťCtrl-aCtrl-r |
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| 21:57.58 | banjo | greycat: yeah and thats why i dont understand this option for xterm:) |
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| 21:58.13 | Walex2 | banjo: 'man terminfo' ;-) |
| 21:58.19 | teraflops | debia: if you mean for lvm, yes you can |
| 21:58.20 | greycat | banjo: sometimes you don't care about the ends of the lines as much as you care about the vertical alignment. |
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| 21:58.38 | Walex2 | banjo: autowrap makes some 'curses'-style work a lot harder. |
| 21:58.52 | debia | teraflops: cool, right, lvm works also across physical (= virtual added hdds) devices. |
| 21:59.32 | banjo | greycat: Walex2 ok 2 good points:) but i think ive now a solutiion using axel while resizing |
| 21:59.54 | teraflops | debia: sure, btw are you on proxmoxVE? |
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| 22:00.29 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I have export LESS=-SXi in my .bash_aliases file instead. (Where I put all of my personal aliases, functions, etc.) |
| 22:00.42 | greycat | it's... not an alias, though... |
| 22:01.07 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I know, but I don't want to clutter .bashrc with my stuff. |
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| 22:01.39 | debia | teraflops: no |
| 22:01.44 | debia | teraflops: but I read good stuff about it though |
| 22:02.13 | teraflops | debia: and that's true almost for me |
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| 22:02.43 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: you have been around IRC channels for a while, and you still haven't figured out the difference between '.bash_profile' and '.bashrc' and why it is a bad idea to use the latter except strictly for aliases and aliases are not a good idea in most cases... |
| 22:02.52 | debia | teraflops: What do you think about Amazon cloud? |
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| 22:03.09 | debia | teraflops: I am looking for some advanced cloud stuff, with nodes/edges in EU region preferably. |
| 22:03.10 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: BTW that is extremely common. |
| 22:03.28 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, I don't have a .bash_profile file. |
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| 22:03.54 | Lady_Aleena | I have .bash_aliases, .bash_history, .bash_logout, and .bashrc. |
| 22:04.28 | teraflops | debia: sincerely I prefer the cloud on my own/customer dedicated hw |
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| 22:05.12 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: instead almost all shell config should be in the 'profile', and surely almost all env variables... but again most people don't seem to know that. |
| 22:05.17 | teraflops | debia: my services, my machines, just virtualize but on your hw |
| 22:05.18 | greycat | if you don't have a .bash_profile then hopefully you have .profile or something, because jeez. |
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| 22:05.42 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, I just looked at .bashrc, and there is no mention of a .bash_profile file. |
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| 22:05.59 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: usually that's because most people don't know/understand how UNIX/Linux processes "inherit" their environment which is a very important topic. |
| 22:06.01 | marioxcc | Hello. Is there a forum software that uses database transactions to assure data integrity?. |
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| 22:06.10 | jakesyl | Hey is there a debian install that comes with non-free firmware as part of the ispo |
| 22:06.13 | jakesyl | iso* |
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| 22:06.19 | debia | teraflops: this is a point |
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| 22:06.30 | banjo | greycat: Walex2 thanks. dont really know whats the matter. but no wrap helps with axel's resizing without letting the term goes up to 100% cpu usage |
| 22:06.35 | greycat | marioxcc: It seems nobody here is intimately familiar with every bug in every piece of web forum software. |
| 22:06.42 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: '.bashrc' was created because aliases don't quite work in '.bash_profile' (or '.profile') because they can't be put in the environment. |
| 22:06.53 | fuqi | jakesyl, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 22:07.20 | greycat | More generally, .bashrc is for anything that can't be inherited from the parent (set -o vi, aliases, shopt settings). |
| 22:07.20 | jakesyl | fuqi any risk to using this? |
| 22:07.42 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: but the bigger issue is that ideally you'd get to take that process "environment" which is a really important concept |
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| 22:08.27 | jakesyl | also I have a dell poweredge with 2 xeons, which one of those should i use |
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| 22:09.49 | jakesyl | firmware-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 22:10.42 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, if I paste my .bash_aliases, would you be willing to help me disburse things where they really should be? |
| 22:11.02 | teraflops | debia: well amazon and azure has the advantage of the geographical location of the nodes/storage |
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| 22:11.08 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: yes... |
| 22:11.23 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: ideally that and the '.bashrc' too |
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| 22:11.31 | debia | teraflops: right, this is a point as latency/speed also counts |
| 22:11.43 | mRMan | Hi so I am making a package and for some reason the Depends: field is not working the way that I remember., I need to have duplicity installed but after making the package and I try to run dpkg -i nameOfPackage.deb it says that duplicity is not installed and needs to be. But I thought that that is what the control file did. Am I wrong. ? |
| 22:11.53 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, here is my .bash_aliases: http://paste.debian.net/134962/ |
| 22:11.57 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: note that however doing the right thing has a drawback: that to change environment you need to logout and login after that |
| 22:11.58 | teraflops | debia: also data protection laws counts |
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| 22:12.38 | debia | teraflops: also right :D |
| 22:12.40 | teraflops | debia: as in UE is discouraged the use of US nodes ... |
| 22:12.57 | debia | teraflops: So you rather rent two (root) servers in the right location and cloudify them? |
| 22:13.19 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: actually as it is just the two 'export' |
| 22:13.35 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: but most of the aliases probably shoyuld be 'function's too. |
| 22:13.46 | teraflops | debia: yep, or better the customer grab the servers on their offices when it is viable |
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| 22:13.51 | jakesyl | so will that be the right one? |
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| 22:14.48 | Simplar | Hello. |
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| 22:15.14 | teraflops | debia: just two proxmox nodes, fibre channel storage and a couple of good inet connections for example |
| 22:15.19 | Simplar | I'd like to ask why my apache2 server works fine on 127.0.0.1 but won't work on my outer ip address? |
| 22:15.21 | debia | teraflops: what do you think about application containers? proxymox is such thing as I see. |
| 22:15.24 | Simplar | Shows 404 not found |
| 22:15.35 | Simplar | it started after update of Debian's software |
| 22:15.37 | debia | teraflops: oh, so your nodes are located in an office. Does this spare money? |
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| 22:15.52 | teraflops | debia: well it depends |
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| 22:16.57 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, so my .bash_aliases is fine for now, or should I move things around? |
| 22:17.02 | teraflops | debia: app containers is more docky related i think i never messed with that |
| 22:17.10 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, ... to get into a better habit... |
| 22:17.14 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: wait.... |
| 22:17.34 | debia | teraflops: I guess you use a tld registrar separate from hosting for this kind of flexibility? |
| 22:17.46 | teraflops | debia: not always is about save money I think |
| 22:17.48 | debia | teraflops: ah, app container with lxc or docker or such, right |
| 22:17.54 | teraflops | debia: yes |
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| 22:18.47 | teraflops | debia: yep also bgp tunnels sometimes |
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| 22:19.28 | debia | teraflops: So you got a direct (L2?) highspeed link? |
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| 22:19.32 | debia | right, it is a server |
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| 22:21.22 | Lady_Aleena | is waiting. |
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| 22:22.52 | fridge | how do you mount a file system so that it isn't read only? kind of new to linux.. |
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| 22:23.20 | debia | Does Debian Squeeze already use LVM version 2? I guess so? |
| 22:23.26 | debia | I ask because of legacy stuff reasons. |
| 22:23.31 | `Kevin | fridge: dont put ro in the mount options.... use rw :P, better question why is/was it ro? |
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| 22:24.04 | fridge | kevin: I have no idea ;P thanks |
| 22:24.21 | `Kevin | fridge: make sure it didnt remount itself to ro due to errors, check dmesg and such |
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| 22:24.46 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9373258/ |
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| 22:25.13 | fridge | kevin: yes infact it did remount itself, what can I do to unmount it, then remount it with rw permissions? |
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| 22:25.27 | teraflops | debia: yes |
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| 22:25.36 | `Kevin | fridge: I would unmount it (if it isn't root) and fsck the partition prior to mounting again |
| 22:25.43 | teraflops | ah squeezy i meant wheezy |
| 22:25.50 | debia | good |
| 22:25.56 | `Kevin | fridge: http://linux.die.net/man/8/umount |
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| 22:26.04 | teraflops | uhm debia i mean whaeezy srry :P |
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| 22:26.21 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, here is my .bashrc (before I apply your suggestions): http://paste.debian.net/134967/ |
| 22:26.28 | fridge | Kevin: and if it is? :/ reboot? |
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| 22:26.52 | `Kevin | fridge: sadly yes, if you remount it as rw without checking for errors it may further corrupt the partition |
| 22:26.53 | Walex2 | my '.profile' is too complicate perhaps, but I have a neat '.env'/'.bashrc': http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/shell/env |
| 22:27.06 | `Kevin | fridge: if you reboot it will fsck on boot |
| 22:27.39 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: that '.bashrc' should be almost entirely a '.bash_profile' or '.profile'. |
| 22:27.46 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: wait... |
| 22:27.51 | fridge | Kevin, if my file system is corrupted, will it fix itself? thanks a lot! :) |
| 22:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | fridge, the file system(s) should (of course) already be mounted read/write on boot after you install... is it read only because you had a crash? |
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| 22:28.49 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, that .bashrc is almost completely as it was installed by Debian. |
| 22:29.11 | banjo | Walex2: bash doc recommends "function name {...}" or "name () {...}". isnt your style like using old `...` instead of $(...)? |
| 22:29.24 | `Kevin | fridge: if the disk is operable it will attempt to yes, id say if you can still read most files with no problem it should be ok (uncached files) |
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| 22:29.45 | `Kevin | fridge: if you can paste the dmesg output into a pastebin so we can get a better idea |
| 22:29.55 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: I know, Debian kids today :-) |
| 22:29.55 | fridge | CutMeOwnThroat, I am actually running a live version of kali, a debian based distro, and now, while updating it, I started gettinga a lot of errors about how it can't access varios places because they are read only.. |
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| 22:30.12 | Walex2 | banjo: a bit like that... |
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| 22:30.40 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, I can't even figure out how to change the directory colors, since I can't find the file mentioned on various websites. |
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| 22:30.52 | fridge | kevin, im acutally using irc on a diffrent computer, so I can't really ;/ |
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| 22:31.26 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: sometims you need to create a file if it doesnt exist |
| 22:31.28 | dreamer9 | hi all |
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| 22:32.11 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, I'm too afraid to mess things up by creating something like that. |
| 22:32.20 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: the directory colors stuff is detailed in the link I put up vbefore |
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| 22:32.50 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: putting new lines to existing files is creating something;) |
| 22:32.52 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: the direcrtory color stuff is done by compiling to the thing. |
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| 22:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | fridge, then please ask #kali-linux, we are not supporting things based on debian, as it usually only turns out a very frustrating conversation for if we assume the things that are true for a debian system in answering questions |
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| 22:34.33 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, do you not like 'alias'? |
| 22:34.47 | fridge | CutMeOwnThroat, okay im very sorry. Thanks for all the help |
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| 22:35.33 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: 'alias' is a terribly idea and it exists in BASH vbecause it tries to be CSH-compatible too |
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| 22:37.58 | Lady_Aleena | And what is wrong the CSH? (I had to Google CSH to know what it is.) |
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| 22:38.05 | rotary00 | Hello sorry for this link http://i.imgur.com/trgo9YF.jpg |
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| 22:38.56 | jhutchins | rotary00: Did you have a support question? |
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| 22:40.00 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: nothing |
| 22:40.02 | teraflops | heh |
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| 22:42.04 | alphazulu | what happened to rcconf in wheezy? its totaly f___ed up |
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| 22:42.27 | alphazulu | it used to show all the runlevels |
| 22:43.21 | squisher | what could cause this error when running as root? strace: attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted |
| 22:43.33 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9373477/ bashrc |
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| 22:43.52 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9373478/ bash_profile |
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| 22:44.16 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: untested, so they may have some little issues, and they are not as neat as I'd like because I tried to preserve most of the original |
| 22:44.35 | jhutchins | alphazulu: There's never been good support for runlevels in debian, and now we're going to systemd, so wheee! |
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| 22:44.58 | jhutchins | alphazulu: chkconfig still lists the levels for programs. |
| 22:45.05 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: teraflops: CSH is a pile of hacks with dubious syntax. Convenient sometimes. |
| 22:45.10 | jhutchins | alphazulu: Not sure how it handles upstart. |
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| 22:45.20 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, give me a few minutes. |
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| 22:45.40 | jhutchins | Walex2: Linux is a pile of hacks with dubious syntax. Windows and OSX are even worse! |
| 22:45.51 | Walex2 | jhutchins: :-) |
| 22:46.11 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: oops, as "banjo" intimated my mixed-syntax for functions doesn't quite work. |
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| 22:47.52 | someHuman | Hello! |
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| 22:48.02 | mmmax | hey |
| 22:48.06 | someHuman | This goes out to the guys who told me how to burn an ISO to flash drive. |
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| 22:48.31 | someHuman | Whenever I try to install Trisquel via flash drive, it tells me that kernel is corrupt, then it goes back to the installation menu. |
| 22:48.31 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, what does the following comment mean? # vim:set ft=sh: -*- shell-script -*- |
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| 22:49.02 | mmmax | someHuman: how did you 'burn' it? |
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| 22:49.17 | someHuman | Ah! |
| 22:49.17 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: it tells VIM and EMACS what the "type" of the file is so it can be colored right |
| 22:49.25 | someHuman | It's because my image is corrupted haha! |
| 22:49.32 | someHuman | It isn't a complete download lol. |
| 22:49.39 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, ah, I don't have to worry about then since I use neither. |
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| 22:49.56 | abrotman | someHuman: This channel supports Debian, not Trisquel |
| 22:49.57 | mmmax | someHuman: makes sense |
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| 22:50.29 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: terrible things like not using VIM or EMACS do happen... |
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| 22:50.43 | lnb | when creating new system, to make lvm does one create partitions first (/ /var /tmp /usr) ? |
| 22:50.56 | banjo | Walex2: why to put the sourceing into bash_profile too? |
| 22:51.09 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, neither have everything I want in a text editor, and vim has too high a learning curve. |
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| 22:52.57 | mmmax | lnb: i'd say you first have to create the lvm in a partition, and then in that lvm you create the volume groups you need |
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| 22:53.24 | Walex2 | banjo: because BASH has a very bizarre startup sequence *at login*, as at login it does not read '.bashrc' or '.env' |
| 22:53.35 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: you can look at joe. has simmilar on-screen help but is more efficient |
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| 22:54.48 | Walex2 | banjo: in 'man bash' the paragraph starting "When an interactive shell that is not" |
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| 22:55.08 | Dan39 | just came here to say i love when im doin a new setup and get to see "Unpacking quilt". nice to see debian wants to warm me up |
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| 22:55.18 | Lady_Aleena | Walex2, I came across vim and emacs during my hunt for a *nix based text editor which had all the bells and whistles I was looking for. I couldn't find even one *nix based text editor I could like. I ended up installing Notepad++ (a Win program). |
| 22:55.35 | Dan39 | Lady_Aleena: :O |
| 22:55.36 | Dan39 | omg |
| 22:55.42 | `Kevin | lol |
| 22:56.04 | Dan39 | i hope he is trolling |
| 22:56.16 | `Kevin | still laughing |
| 22:56.20 | `Kevin | ok ok .. maybe yea |
| 22:56.22 | Lady_Aleena | Dan39, what? |
| 22:56.56 | banjo | Walex2: ok thanks |
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| 22:57.03 | Dan39 | or she |
| 22:57.07 | Dan39 | or "they" |
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| 22:58.03 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: isnt notepad++ a GUI based app and even in that case you could just use sublime instead |
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| 22:58.47 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, it is GUI, and I can't remember why Sublime didn't suit me. |
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| 23:00.05 | Dan39 | Lady_Aleena: what others did you try? |
| 23:01.13 | Lady_Aleena | I tried Kate and KWrite first (they came with KDE), then I tried vim, emacs, geany, scite, sublime, and others. None had everything I wanted. (My biggest problems is they line wrap with no button to push to turn it off and changing colors for certain things was not specific enough for some things.) |
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| 23:01.37 | banjo | hm...wine->notepad->open bashrc->add one line |
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| 23:01.40 | banjo | :) |
| 23:02.11 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, what is that for? |
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| 23:02.36 | banjo | your procedure Lady_Aleena :) |
| 23:03.02 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, when I edit the .bash files, I usually use nano. |
| 23:03.32 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: ah ok...was just my imagination:) |
| 23:03.51 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: I have tested and fixed the bashrc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9373709/ |
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| 23:04.22 | Walex2 | Lady_Aleena: and the .bash_profile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9373718/ |
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| 23:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, nano is faster when adding one line to a .bash* file. I use Notepad++ for writing my perl scripts. |
| 23:06.06 | Walex2 | banjo: some people are moderately obsessed with line-wrap :-) |
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| 23:06.33 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: i know. thats why i was thinking bout it |
| 23:07.04 | Walex2 | perhaps try 'gvim' which has a menu for line-wrap |
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| 23:07.48 | `Kevin | just bind a key in vimrc for linewrap as well |
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| 23:08.13 | banjo | Walex2: not obsessed but never thought bout it. and ones tried without and lookink how i override my own input frustrates me:) |
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| 23:10.31 | ROG3R | i'd like to burn a live cd on a usb stick. whats a good iso burner.? |
| 23:10.56 | `Kevin | ROG3R: dd |
| 23:11.06 | Lady_Aleena | banjo, Walex2, and `Kevin, I've got Notepad++ (almost) how I want it now. I used Notepad++ for years on Windows XP, so I'll use it in Wine on Linux. Maybe when I have all the code for my website is finally done, I might reexperiment with *nix based text editors. |
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| 23:11.31 | mmmax | ROG3R: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX (where X your flash drive) |
| 23:11.35 | `Kevin | ^^ |
| 23:12.03 | `Kevin | ROG3R: be extra sure X is your flash drive |
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| 23:12.06 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: no problem. its your computer:) |
| 23:12.19 | mmmax | +1 |
| 23:12.25 | ROG3R | anything gui ? |
| 23:12.43 | mmmax | ROG3R: Lady_Aleena will help you with that |
| 23:12.47 | `Kevin | lol |
| 23:13.07 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, um.... |
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| 23:13.26 | banjo | ROG3R: gui i know only unetbootin. but its not the same like dd |
| 23:13.36 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, the last time I burned anything was in Windows XP. |
| 23:13.37 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: though you'd have a good WINE trick under your sleeve |
| 23:13.43 | mmmax | thought* |
| 23:13.50 | `Kevin | id like to see some WINE ISO writing |
| 23:13.53 | `Kevin | how about nero |
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| 23:14.02 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, I only use wine with Notepad++. Everything else is DE or command line. |
| 23:14.02 | mmmax | that would be awesome |
| 23:14.18 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: I was just kidding |
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| 23:14.42 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: though it greatly surprises me you actually use notepad++ on wine |
| 23:14.51 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, whew. I hope I am not seen as that bad. |
| 23:15.10 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, there isn't a *nix version and the author has no interest in writing one. |
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| 23:15.25 | `Kevin | ROG3R: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 23:16.10 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: I believe that, just hard to imagine you can't find any native *nix text editor with the functionalities you need, considering there are hundreds of them |
| 23:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ROG3R, gui? maybe: cat image.iso > /dev/sdX ; xmessage "success" |
| 23:16.40 | ROG3R | thank you guys |
| 23:16.46 | mgregjr | notepad++ has more accessible functions. on linux you have emacs and 10000 commands |
| 23:16.50 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, I tried a lot one night before I broke down and install Notepad++. |
| 23:17.01 | Lady_Aleena | s/install/installed/; |
| 23:17.05 | banjo | CutMeOwnThroat: i will remember that for future gui requests:) |
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| 23:17.31 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: you need to stick to one and customize it to your needs, if you keep trying to find the magic bullet that wont happen |
| 23:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | banjo, :) |
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| 23:17.49 | mmmax | CutMeOwnThroat, ROG3R: send-notify Success, would even be cooler |
| 23:18.19 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, so stick with Notepad++ then and not worry about it? :) |
| 23:18.39 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: you seem to have had a pretty harsh time looking for one |
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| 23:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmax, that'd be over-engineering :) |
| 23:19.30 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, I gave about a dozen of them a shot. |
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| 23:19.46 | `Kevin | this is the problem thou, a dozen editors in a night? |
| 23:19.54 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: hope you find one eventually! |
| 23:19.55 | `Kevin | you have to spend some time customizing to your needs ;P |
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| 23:20.30 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, I have a set of requirements I looked for in them. None passed. |
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| 23:21.11 | `Kevin | linewrap is simple to bind keys to in most |
| 23:21.15 | `Kevin | whats the color function?> |
| 23:21.53 | banjo | Lady_Aleena: but you cant get in deep with one program in 1hour and then remember what was good and bad after trying 10other programs of same kind |
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| 23:22.45 | mgregjr | for small tasks, nano. for more complex tasks, geany |
| 23:22.55 | Lady_Aleena | Most of them, when it came to formatting colors for Perl, didn't diffentiate between $scalars, @arrays, and %hashes. |
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| 23:23.08 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: did you check notepadqq.altervista.org? |
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| 23:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will not find an editor that is exactly like what you have... I think switching will also mean getting used to something new... and giving different ideas a chance |
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| 23:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, vim is extremely configurable regarding syntax highlighting |
| 23:26.14 | mgregjr | or just use wine |
| 23:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it also needs quite a lot getting used to |
| 23:27.34 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, isn't vim an in-terminal program? |
| 23:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes :) |
| 23:27.46 | banjo | gvim |
| 23:27.48 | ut | Vim's my goto, but I've had some weird syntax highlighting issues with it. |
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| 23:29.12 | Lady_Aleena | mmmax, apparently notepadqq hasn't integrated spell checking as of last month. |
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| 23:30.22 | mmmax | you're quite picky |
| 23:30.28 | ut | Lady_Aleena: if you're willing to go off the deep end, you can customize all of the highlighting in vim, add plugins, code stuff in python, ruby, or perl... it's a venerable program. large. |
| 23:31.00 | ut | I'm sure there's a spellchecking plugin available. |
| 23:31.47 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: why not start with something like this, includes pre-configures HL, lots of plugins including spell checking.. https://github.com/amix/vimrc |
| 23:31.51 | `Kevin | and edit from there. |
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| 23:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, underlining for spell-checking, that's a thing that's difficult in terminals... |
| 23:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, this is a bit futile if there's no full list of requirements |
| 23:32.46 | `Kevin | ;) |
| 23:32.51 | `Kevin | seems the list just keeps growing |
| 23:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and even with it... dunno |
| 23:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | point would be that you gain new functionality, e.g. with vim |
| 23:34.10 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, it has been a while since I spent a night looking over text editors, so I don't remember where most went wrong (IMO only). |
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| 23:35.19 | Lady_Aleena | I'm aware a good portion of the Linux community loves vim and thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread. |
| 23:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the other half likes the operating system emacs... yes |
| 23:36.08 | dondelelcaro | emacs24 has underlinning for flyspell |
| 23:36.13 | dondelelcaro | but it's really up to you |
| 23:36.34 | dondelelcaro | (well, in X; in a terminal, it's bold) |
| 23:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would probably more check for configurability of those two than looking at a lot of other small(ish) projects |
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| 23:38.26 | banjo | hay some people dont use emacs or vi/m |
| 23:38.29 | banjo | :) |
| 23:38.35 | mmmax | true |
| 23:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... but those people have no computer |
| 23:39.08 | banjo | even not emacs/vi clones |
| 23:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | shocking |
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| 23:42.18 | ROG3R | guys, if I copy the iso to the usb like this: dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
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| 23:42.27 | ROG3R | its gonna be bootable ? |
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| 23:43.02 | banjo | should if not try bs=1M |
| 23:43.03 | `Kevin | should be if your bios is set to boot from usb disk (with higher priority) |
| 23:43.06 | Term1nal | Alright, so... I'm on Debian 7.6, I'm attempting to configure my second network interface, but I continue to receive this message when bringing the interface up: http://pastebin.com/Hg78K8Kz |
| 23:43.15 | ROG3R | ok thx |
| 23:45.15 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I have emacs installed still, so I reopened it to look at it. GUH! I can't even find anything like "Preferences" or "Configure Emacs". |
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| 23:46.45 | banjo | man emacs & C-x C-h(i think) |
| 23:46.59 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: it's under the options menu, and it's called 'Customize Emacs' |
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| 23:47.09 | `Kevin | walks away |
| 23:47.39 | mmmax | Lady_Aleena: you should complain to richard stallman directly. call the free software foundation! |
| 23:47.42 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: you can also go M-x customize |
| 23:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, there's otpions->customize emacs |
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| 23:49.19 | dondelelcaro | banjo: the emacs manual you can get via C-h r (or C-h i and browsing to it) |
| 23:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | "browse customizable optioins" should give you more than you wished for |
| 23:49.39 | woshty | Term1nal: http://blog.karssen.org/2013/03/28/solving-rtnetlink-answers-file-exists-when-running-ifup/ |
| 23:49.47 | fridge | this is probably a newbish question, but is there such a thing as "winforms" for linux? how do you make kde applications? Can someone please point me in the right direction? |
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| 23:50.21 | Lady_Aleena | fridge, #kde might be a good place to start for kde applications. |
| 23:50.34 | Term1nal | woshty: Problem is, I don't have a gateway specified for that interface. |
| 23:50.53 | fridge | Lady_Aleena thanks :) |
| 23:51.10 | mmmax | fridge: we were just talking about wine... |
| 23:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are "winforms" |
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| 23:53.37 | Lady_Aleena | fridge, you might want to see if the .NET framework is even compatible with Linux. |
| 23:53.54 | banjo | dondelelcaro: ok i remembered somthing with C-x/h |
| 23:54.10 | ROG3R | does this mean the iso is burned correctly? http://paste.debian.net/134984/ |
| 23:54.56 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: M$ is actually opensourcing it |
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| 23:55.25 | mmmax | ROG3R: "No space left on device" |
| 23:55.26 | `Kevin | ROG3R: the partition on that usb doesn't have enough space |
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| 23:55.35 | ROG3R | oh |
| 23:55.48 | ROG3R | i thought i formatted it |
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| 23:55.52 | `Kevin | bytes (10 MB) copied |
| 23:56.31 | mmmax | ROG3R: shouldn't you try /dev/sdb, instead of sdb1? |
| 23:56.38 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 23:56.50 | ROG3R | If i navigate to the usb it loooks empty and says 1gb free out of 1gb |
| 23:56.59 | mmmax | you don't even need to format it, dd does the work for you |
| 23:57.10 | woshty | Term1nal: ip address show dev eth1 .. if that says there are addresses assigned,then maybe something like ip address flush dev eth1. If that does not work, I have no more ideas - except rebooting ofc ;) |
| 23:57.24 | `Kevin | do the whole usb stick like mmmax says |
| 23:57.33 | ROG3R | mmmax: http://paste.debian.net/134985/ |
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| 23:58.02 | `Kevin | ROG3R: that doesn't matter |
| 23:58.20 | `Kevin | dd isnt aware of the underlying filesystem and it doesnt care, it just needs to write the blocks |
| 23:58.33 | `Kevin | and it doesnt have enough room on sdb1 to write all of the blocks |
| 23:58.37 | mmmax | sdb = flash drive. sdb1 = a partition in that flash drive |
| 23:58.44 | ROG3R | dd: writing to `/dev/sdb': No space left on device |
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| 23:59.27 | Term1nal | woshty: rebooting hasn't helped either. |
| 23:59.40 | mmmax | ROG3R: what's the size of that drive |
| 23:59.41 | Term1nal | sec, I was toying with something inbetween responses |
| 23:59.55 | ROG3R | mmmax: 1GB. and the iso is 700mb |
