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| 13:01.57 | EriC^^ | Bharath: sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ squeeze-pgdg main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list' |
| 13:01.58 | Bharath | EriC^^: oh god, i'll retry with a different repository and get back. Thank you! |
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| 13:05.41 | shingouz | Bharath: you said it is " was an appliance built with otrs downloaded from OTRS website". you really should ask this otrs-place for support, they have most probably screwed up the debian to no extent. |
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| 13:05.58 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 13:05.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 13:07.05 | pecisk | hey people, I am looking for way to enable core dump on Debian. I have tried /etc/security/limits.conf and ulimit but still running simple C program wich seg faults I don't get core dump |
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| 13:08.22 | Bharath | shingouz: this may be true, but i'm trying to get help with someone who is more familiar with linux than me hence I'm here |
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| 13:08.48 | Bharath | EirC^^: looks like it installed but like shingouz said i think they have not properly supported this debian, i get the following errors. Setting up postgresql-common (154.pgdg60+1) ... Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/postgresql ... supported_versions: WARNING: /etc/os-release and lsb_release not present, unknown distribution /usr/share/postgresql-common/supported-versions: 206: RELEASE: parameter not set dpkg: err |
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| 13:09.57 | ChrisH | pecisk: ulimit -c unlimited on the shell before starting the programm |
| 13:10.59 | shingouz | it is not debian. it is *based* on debian, therefore ask the makers. we give you some advice, the system gets screwed up. besides, we have absolutely no clue how/what/why they have done whatever they did to debian go get their own system |
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| 13:12.23 | jelly | Bharath: ouch. Install the lsb-release package and try again. Ask in ##linux if you didn't install this OS from Debian installer but some other's bundle. |
| 13:12.40 | petn-randall | hojgaard: Why do you have to recompile your kernel? Which one are you running? |
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| 13:13.30 | pecisk | ChrisH: done that, still no core dump in directory |
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| 13:13.52 | pecisk | ChrisH: maybe now it's stored in some default core dump directory? |
| 13:14.10 | jelly | Bharath: "Debian 6.0" would mean your appliance was based on previous release. 6.0 was "squeeze", 7.0 is current, codename "wheezy" |
| 13:14.24 | Bharath | shingouz: Thanks |
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| 13:15.10 | Bharath | jelly: I think i would prefer to go on with Ubuntu 14.04 and setup the application i need, the appliance linux is very very limited in packages and extremely difficult to fix and get going as a non-linux guy |
| 13:15.36 | hojgaard | petn-randall, when i start atop and press n for network. It says no kernel-patch installed... even though i have installed the patch |
| 13:16.55 | petn-randall | hojgaard: You don't need that, the overview should suffice. When you hit the limit, do you see anything red in that view? |
| 13:17.05 | ChrisH | pecisk: is the process allowed to dump into . ? |
| 13:17.44 | pecisk | ChrisH: yes |
| 13:17.55 | hojgaard | petn-randall, ok, i will check |
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| 13:18.33 | hojgaard | petn-randall, what does the red color indicate exactly? |
| 13:18.36 | ChrisH | pecisk: can you show the sample c code and ulimit -a on paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:19.35 | petn-randall | hojgaard: High disk/cpu/network utilisation. |
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| 13:20.06 | pecisk | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/135821/ ulimit -a |
| 13:20.37 | hojgaard | And if that is the case i can know if the bottlekneck is on my machine or on the network, i guess.. |
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| 13:20.55 | hojgaard | petn-randall, ^ |
| 13:20.58 | ChrisH | pecisk: ulimit -c unlimited looks different then 100000 |
| 13:20.58 | petn-randall | hojgaard: yes. |
| 13:20.59 | pecisk | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/135822/ code |
| 13:21.12 | pecisk | ChrisH: I know, I tried both variants |
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| 13:23.05 | ChrisH | pecisk: I will give it a try, stay tuned. |
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| 13:26.12 | ChrisH | pecisk: http://paste.debian.net/135825/ works as expected |
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| 13:27.27 | pecisk | ChrisH: sorry, dump mistake from my part, I was named my executable 'core' |
| 13:27.36 | pecisk | dumb |
| 13:27.43 | pecisk | renamed and it works |
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| 13:28.27 | ChrisH | pecisk: cool.... |
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| 13:30.26 | pecisk | ChrisH: thanks for help |
| 13:30.32 | nidhoegger | Hello. Ive installed a debian without desktop environment and only want to have x server (to run a program directly). What package do i need to install to get only the x server? |
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| 13:30.39 | nidhoegger | xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 13:44.17 | LinuxDave | Hello. I tried many things to get Debian to work on my machine,but nothing seems to work. I tried to install, tried unetbootin, tried live Debian but can't get the usb to boot, I did it with unetbootin |
| 13:44.35 | LinuxDave | I wonder how I can make thi process simple =/ |
| 13:44.43 | LinuxDave | I'm on windows. |
| 13:44.58 | ChrisH | !unetbootin |
| 13:44.59 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 13:45.19 | Brigo | LinuxDave, http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 13:45.31 | ChrisH | LinuxDave: unetbootin does not work for Debian |
| 13:45.53 | LinuxDave | Oh damn ChrisH |
| 13:46.10 | LinuxDave | Brigo: I don't want to lose the windows OS though |
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| 13:47.29 | Brigo | LinuxDave, no problem with that, read the README link |
| 13:47.41 | ChrisH | LinuxDave: if you are on Windows 7 shrink Windows partition and create a boot CD with netinstaller using one of the above tools mentioned. |
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| 13:48.12 | LinuxDave | I am on Windows 8. By running that .exe I don't run the risk of losng my windows? |
| 13:48.29 | rgr | yes you do. |
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| 13:49.01 | LinuxDave | Damn =/ |
| 13:49.34 | LinuxDave | It appears I can't get into Linux |
| 13:49.42 | rgr | what happens with live CDs? |
| 13:49.57 | LinuxDave | I didn't manage to get a live usb and didn't try optical media |
| 13:50.10 | LinuxDave | really lazy to go buy CDs |
| 13:50.17 | LinuxDave | especially if they dont work either =_= |
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| 13:50.38 | rgr | if you cant get that working then and are prescient enough to predict it not working before buying CDs I'd say give up now :) |
| 13:50.51 | rgr | messing with partitions WILL hose your system. |
| 13:50.55 | Brigo | LinuxDave, you can boot from a live linux, right? |
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| 13:51.02 | rgr | no he cant |
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| 13:51.11 | rgr | he just said that |
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| 13:51.19 | LinuxDave | Brigo: how do I boot from a live Linux»» I didnt manage to get the live usb to boot |
| 13:51.21 | rgr | but hes only tries live usb. |
| 13:51.27 | rgr | and not said what didnt work exactly. |
| 13:51.49 | LinuxDave | I tried to make a live USB with unetbootin |
| 13:51.53 | LinuxDave | buut apparently it doesnt work |
| 13:51.56 | rgr | LinuxDave: (1) change your nym to "notLinuxDave" and (2) what happens when you boot the USB? |
| 13:51.58 | Brigo | can you use a machine with linux? |
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| 13:52.12 | LinuxDave | rgr: :( ok |
| 13:52.13 | rgr | "doesnt work" is not helpful to anyone. |
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| 13:52.31 | rgr | do you see the system booting? does it freeze? Does the screen go black etc etc? |
| 13:52.41 | Brigo | !win32diskimager |
| 13:52.41 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 13:52.49 | Brigo | LinuxDave, that is your tool |
| 13:52.55 | LinuxDave | rgr: i am merely quoting [13:45] <ChrisH> LinuxDave: unetbootin does not work for Debian |
| 13:53.05 | rgr | so you havent even tried it? |
| 13:53.07 | rgr | ok. |
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| 13:53.41 | LinuxDave | rgr: for the unetbootin attempt the USB simply is not listed as a boot option |
| 13:54.07 | rgr | Do you have access to a linux machine to create a linux USB stick? |
| 13:54.16 | addaitech | unetbootin works with debian what are you talking about Chris? |
| 13:54.23 | rgr | I would suggest creating a sysrescue usb stick to get going. Always useful. |
| 13:54.39 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell addaitech about unetbootin |
| 13:54.58 | rgr | if nothing else you can then use it for gparted to manage partitions. |
| 13:55.16 | addaitech | i've got a debian jessie usb right here i made with unetbootin works fiine |
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| 13:56.09 | ChrisH | LinuxDave: you simply need a win32 programm to copy the netinst image onto an USB stick. Is there a Linux User next door to simply run the cp command for you? Having a Linux/Debian User at hand might make things esasier at the start. |
| 13:56.14 | LinuxDave | no rgr |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | addaitech: it's known to break in weird ways, don't use it, don't recommend it |
| 13:56.39 | addaitech | i didnt recommend it just saying it worked fine for me |
| 13:56.43 | abrotman | you're lucky |
| 13:56.44 | ChrisH | addaitech: then you are a lucky one... We saw lots of weird errors id unetbootin was in use |
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| 13:57.20 | addaitech | ill count my blessings then :) |
| 13:57.21 | LinuxDave | I think I will be burned t the stake if I even ask around ChrisH ? |
| 13:57.32 | addaitech | good to know for future reference though thanks |
| 13:58.39 | LinuxDave | So no option to do it from Windows? |
| 13:58.43 | wols | anyone have anything bad to say about YUMI btw? |
| 13:58.47 | LinuxDave | Im on windows and stuck with it'? =/ |
| 13:58.53 | wols | LinuxDave: you've been given options by now |
| 13:58.59 | abrotman | LinuxDave: what's wrong with win32diskimager? |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | This has been going on for days |
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| 13:59.21 | LinuxDave | abrotman: oh sorry, that runs on windows? |
| 13:59.32 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:59.44 | LinuxDave | Actually I remember being advised not to use it |
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| 14:00.14 | abrotman | by who? |
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| 14:00.30 | LinuxDave | Some guy here or on puppy linux |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | LinuxDave: for every recommendation, you have a counter argument .. |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | LinuxDave: use win32diskimager, try it .. |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | You're going to run out of excuses at some point |
| 14:01.01 | LinuxDave | Maybe its a puppy linux issue, |
| 14:01.12 | LinuxDave | So I have to install win32diskimager ? |
| 14:01.35 | ChrisH | dpkg tell LinuxDave about win32diskimager |
| 14:01.40 | nidhoegger | how can i autostart a program after the computer has bootet? i just know it in gentoo linux using /etc/local.d/ |
| 14:01.44 | nidhoegger | how do i do this in debian? |
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| 14:02.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nidhoegger about run at startup |
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| 14:02.23 | ChrisH | nidhoegger: create a start script and/or put it into systemd controll? |
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| 14:02.29 | LinuxDave | Thanks abrotman ChrisH |
| 14:02.39 | LinuxDave | I hav to go i will try that and will be back |
| 14:02.45 | nidhoegger | ChrisH: where do i put this script? |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | nidhoegger: see what the bot told you |
| 14:02.56 | nidhoegger | will init.d be fine? |
| 14:03.01 | nidhoegger | thanks |
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| 14:19.04 | itt788 | I'm trying to open a window manager session on a debian wheezy system remotely with ssh -X from another linux box. On the local machine I opened a new X display with "$ X :1" and opened an xterm window with "$xterm -display :1". From that xterm session I established the ssh -X connection from which I could run easily apps such as xcalc ...; but as I wanted a window manager I ran gnome-session but it seems I can't open any applicatio |
| 14:19.04 | itt788 | n, it says "Rejected X11 connection after ForwardX11Timeout expired" "debug1: failure x11" |
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| 14:21.35 | petn-randall | itt788: Things like gnome3 rely on HW acceleration of the graphics card, which is not network transparent. |
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| 14:22.46 | itt788 | what about lxde? |
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| 14:23.07 | itt788 | which wm should I use? |
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| 14:23.10 | ChrisH | itt788: use vnc or rdp to connect remote to such a session. These protocolls are more efficient over the network. x11vnc might be an option. |
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| 14:24.18 | nidhoegger | how can i shut down debian using the command line as normal user? |
| 14:24.23 | petn-randall | itt788: What ChrisH said. X11 forwarding is workable for forwarding a single APP over the local network. If you want a whole session, VNC/RDP is the way to go, as they can do compression and are much more resilient against network latency and jitter. |
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| 14:24.47 | itt788 | ok |
| 14:24.58 | petn-randall | nidhoegger: By default, a normal user can't shutdown the machine. You'd have to give that user permissions for that. |
| 14:25.21 | nidhoegger | how can i give him that permission? |
| 14:25.25 | rgr | just use sudo |
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| 14:25.37 | nidhoegger | rgr, no |
| 14:25.39 | abrotman | nidhoegger: you can try shutdown.allow |
| 14:25.43 | nidhoegger | thx |
| 14:25.51 | abrotman | pretty sure the man page talks abou thtis |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | about this even |
| 14:26.21 | rgr | but here's a novel way I use from xmonad key chord : gksudo 'dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Stop' |
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| 14:27.03 | petn-randall | rgr: That uses sudo ... |
| 14:27.12 | xok | hello all... |
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| 14:27.23 | rgr | yes I know. |
| 14:27.27 | xok | somehow my debian system doesn't recognize USB devices.. |
| 14:27.42 | rgr | jus threw it in there for "fyi" novel way. Or maybe not so novel :) |
| 14:27.47 | xok | neither keyboard nor mouse.. |
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| 14:28.10 | abrotman | xok: look in dmesg |
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| 14:28.29 | xok | abrotman: yeah, the strange is that nothing in there... |
| 14:28.33 | rgr | what way or command is nidhoegger using out of curiosity? |
| 14:28.45 | abrotman | xok: nothing at all? |
| 14:28.52 | xok | abrotman: nothing at all... |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | xok: so you broke all logging also? |
| 14:29.04 | xok | abrotman: I mean the USB related... |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | that's different than "nothing at all" |
| 14:29.19 | xok | abrotman: no, sorry, nothing usb related... |
| 14:29.25 | xok | yeah, sorry for confusing.. |
| 14:29.30 | abrotman | xok: insert/remove devices while tailing -f the log |
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| 14:29.49 | xok | the devices are not recognized, even when I plug/unplug devices... |
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| 14:29.59 | xok | abrotman: yes, the logs stay untouched... |
| 14:30.04 | xok | nothing there... |
| 14:30.17 | abrotman | Sounds like a hardware problem, try another set of ports |
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| 14:30.43 | nidhoegger | allowing myself in the shutdown.allow does not work |
| 14:30.43 | xok | abrotman: I've used this drive to the different machine and the same happens.. |
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| 14:30.48 | nidhoegger | still tells me, that i need to be root |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | xok: so the drive is dead? |
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| 14:31.13 | OSVG | nid, are you trying to shutdown your own system, or someone elses? |
| 14:31.17 | OSVG | O_o |
| 14:31.19 | xok | abrotman: no, I mean the drive which has the system on it ... |
| 14:31.43 | xok | abrotman: the system I am currently using... |
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| 14:31.44 | abrotman | xok: it should register events, even if the device doesn't work |
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| 14:32.03 | xok | abrotman: yes, but nothing happens, totally nothing... |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | right, sounds like a hardware problem |
| 14:32.19 | xok | it is not... |
| 14:32.24 | abrotman | you can always try a live CD to test the OS |
| 14:32.26 | nidhoegger | OSVG my own |
| 14:32.35 | xok | because this machine has different USB ports and these should work for sure.. |
| 14:32.48 | nidhoegger | im automating a piece of software. It starts when the Computer starts and the computer should shutdown, as soon as the programm quits |
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| 14:33.18 | xok | abrotman: I've moved the hard drive, thought it was a hardware problem and put this drive in the second laptop, absolutely the same happnes.. |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | Okay |
| 14:33.36 | xok | abrotman: I am absolutely sure the ports work fine here... |
| 14:33.49 | abrotman | xok: try a liveCD, or another device |
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| 14:33.55 | abrotman | like a usb drive |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | also, look at the lsusb command |
| 14:34.17 | xok | abrotman: I've tried several different keyboard + mouse... |
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| 14:34.31 | xok | abrotman: lsusb dies with error code -99.. |
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| 14:34.42 | abrotman | xok: what is uname -a ? |
| 14:34.57 | xok | saying: "unable to initialize libusb: -99" |
| 14:35.00 | bumbar_ | petn-randall, netstat -npl doesn't list my service |
| 14:35.17 | xok | abrotman: uname -a is: Linux t410s 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | xok: all I can say is to try the backports kernel, /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
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| 14:36.05 | xok | abrotman: it worked flawlessly... |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | What did? |
| 14:36.58 | OSVG | nid: it may be easier to have the user have a NOPASSWD sudoers entry for shutdown if shutdown.allow doesn't work. |
| 14:37.03 | xok | abrotman: I've put a realtek NIC in usb, installed firmware-realted and suddenly unpluged the device.. |
| 14:37.09 | xok | seems that caused a problem.. |
| 14:37.18 | xok | but this story was on a different machine.. |
| 14:37.34 | xok | from that time neither keyboard, nor mouse nor even that realtek NIC work.. |
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| 14:37.43 | xok | from that time USB ports are dead.. |
| 14:37.52 | petn-randall | bumbar_: Then something doesn't fit together. Either the port is already being listened on, then there *must* be another process, or the port is free. But it can't be listened on *without* a process doing that. So can you paste any data to support your claim? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:38.25 | abrotman | xok: and it's not a hardware problem why? |
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| 14:39.02 | xok | abrotman: it's not a hardware problem because I've used several different devices and I've even changed the machine.. |
| 14:39.06 | OSVG | Because it happens on two different laptops? |
| 14:39.13 | xok | I've moved the hard drive from one laptop to the another.. |
| 14:39.28 | xok | and still the same.. |
| 14:39.45 | petn-randall | xok: Is it identical HW though? |
| 14:39.48 | xok | I've bought new keyboard + mouse and they don't work neither.. |
| 14:40.00 | xok | petn-randall: no, they are not, they are similar but not the same... |
| 14:40.16 | abrotman | xok: and you've tried a liveCD on the same systems? |
| 14:40.18 | xok | one is laptop ThinkPad T400 and the first was T410s |
| 14:40.27 | xok | abrotman: I have not yet... |
| 14:40.39 | xok | abrotman: but I am absolutely sure the livecd will work without problems.. |
| 14:40.47 | abrotman | So try it please ;) |
| 14:40.54 | xok | I've got a system problem I am sure.. |
| 14:41.07 | xok | lsusb is unable to list devices.. |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | So I've suggested two things, you're still here ... |
| 14:41.21 | xok | abrotman: what was the second?.. |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | liveCD and BPO kernel |
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| 14:42.32 | xok | abrotman: you gave some instructions I remember about backports, what was it?.. |
| 14:43.03 | petn-randall | !tell xok -about wheezy-backports |
| 14:43.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell xok about bpo kernel |
| 14:43.41 | bumbar_ | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/135843/ i have to wait for all LAST_ACK connections to disappear before i can start again |
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| 14:44.00 | xok | petn-randall: abrotman nothing happens, no one tells me anything... :-D |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | the bot did, look in your IRC client for a new window |
| 14:44.24 | petn-randall | xok: dpkg has sent you a private message, check the other tabs of your IRC client. |
| 14:44.27 | ChrisH | xok: SO_REUSEADDR |
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| 14:44.52 | xok | petn-randall: it has not sent anything neither in this nor in any other tabs... ;-) |
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| 14:45.04 | xok | ChrisH: what?.. |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | yes, it has |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | Either you have the bot blocked, or you can't find it .. look again |
| 14:45.25 | ChrisH | xok: sorry... wrong nic selected |
| 14:45.36 | ChrisH | bumbar_: use SO_REUSEADDR |
| 14:45.57 | xok | abrotman: yeah, I found it... :-D |
| 14:46.07 | xok | this empathy doesn't look good at all.. :D |
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| 14:47.56 | xok | abrotman: ok, I am now installing the new kernel from backports, let's see what happens... |
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| 14:50.28 | xok | abrotman: rebooting... |
| 14:50.59 | bumbar_ | ChrisH, setsockopt(sfd, SO_REUSEADDR, 0, 0, 0)? |
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| 14:52.47 | ChrisH | bumbar_: something like that... its 10+ years ago :) |
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| 14:53.41 | xok | abrotman: no luck... |
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| 14:54.42 | abrotman | xok: liveCD time |
| 14:55.18 | xok | I think I've got a better idea.. |
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| 14:55.32 | xok | I will try with the USB keyboard on BIOS... |
| 14:55.42 | xok | abrotman: I am too lazy to try with liveCD.. |
| 14:55.45 | xok | :D |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | xok: okay, good luck |
| 14:55.58 | xok | abrotman: won't it be the same?.. |
| 14:56.09 | abrotman | is too lazy to answer .. |
| 14:56.18 | xok | :D |
| 14:56.41 | xok | that's fair, thanks anyway for helping me and sorry for being so rude.. |
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| 14:57.08 | abrotman | xok: I suggest the LiveCD, you're blaming the OS, I'm blaming your hardware .. |
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| 14:57.35 | xok | abrotman: ok, does it matter which one to choose?.. |
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| 14:57.53 | abrotman | xok: Not to me. |
| 14:57.55 | petn-randall | bumbar_: I asked you so show me 'netstat -npl', not 'netstat -an' .... |
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| 14:58.51 | xok | abrotman: hey, wait a minute, a "lsusb" command now works... :D |
| 14:59.00 | abrotman | ... |
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| 15:00.28 | xok | ok, let me reboot.. |
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| 15:08.04 | xok | abrotman: it works without any problems on the same machine with windows OS running... |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | liveCD yet? |
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| 15:08.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell xok about livecd |
| 15:08.45 | xok | I don't have LiveCD... :-| |
| 15:09.04 | xok | what's the purpose of it?.. |
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| 15:09.10 | abrotman | Then I guess you get to start digging into the log and see if there's a prpblem intitializing your USB subsystem |
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| 15:09.23 | xok | I now know 100% that the hardware is working fine.. |
| 15:09.46 | dreamer | hmmm, 7.7 netinst can't detect my nic, however lspci shows it and the driver-selection shows the correct driver |
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| 15:10.48 | xok | abrotman: can you help with that?.. |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | xok: start with 'dmesg | less', start reading, look for things that look funn |
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| 15:14.57 | xok | abrotman: part of the usb subsystem is my integrated web camera and bluetooth devices which work fine... |
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| 15:21.47 | bumbar_ | petn-randall, netstat -npl doesnt show anything (0 lines) |
| 15:22.21 | petn-randall | bumbar_: Then your program is failing to bind to that port for other reasons. |
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| 15:27.05 | xok | can anyone here help me figure out the problem with USB ports?.. |
| 15:27.22 | xok | the devices I am connecting are working and ports as well are working fine... |
| 15:27.32 | petn-randall | xok: Did you try anything abrotman suggested yet? |
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| 15:27.34 | xok | I was able to boot to windows and it shows everything works fine.. |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | Windows isn't Linux .. |
| 15:27.49 | xok | petn-randall: I did everything to figure out the hardware is good... |
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| 15:28.06 | xok | abrotman: I don't use windows for years... |
| 15:28.11 | petn-randall | xok: If you didn't try any of abrotman's two options, the answer is no. |
| 15:28.28 | xok | abrotman: it was a random hard drive in my house so used it for a minute... |
| 15:28.44 | xok | petn-randall: I did, now what?.. |
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| 15:29.08 | petn-randall | xok: You're repeating yourself. Either you try our suggestions, or you don't. But in the latter case we can't help you any more. |
| 15:29.16 | petn-randall | xok: Which one did you try? |
| 15:29.39 | xok | petn-randall: I installed backports version of kernel... |
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| 15:29.48 | petn-randall | xok: And what was the result? |
| 15:29.56 | xok | petn-randall: he suggested to run livecd in order to be sure that hardware is not the problem.. |
| 15:30.04 | xok | petn-randall: the result was null... |
| 15:30.09 | xok | no cchanges... |
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| 15:30.19 | xok | it still doesn't work and still doesn't log anything... |
| 15:30.36 | petn-randall | xok: Can you paste the complete output of dmesg with the backports kernel to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 15:31.05 | xok | I will... |
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| 15:31.28 | xok | https://clbin.com/zMtCx |
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| 15:31.32 | xok | here is the dmesg file itself.. |
| 15:31.34 | dreamer | meh, 7.7 install with cd1 also fails |
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| 15:31.48 | dreamer | s/fails/can't detect network card |
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| 15:32.35 | mtn | dreamer: this one might help: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 15:33.05 | dreamer | mtn: think is that I see the correct driver (alx) in the selection |
| 15:33.08 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 15:33.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17.0-trunk-686-pae (3.17.4-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 15:33.13 | dreamer | s/nk/ng |
| 15:33.19 | mtn | dreamer: notice how it mentions firmware? |
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| 15:33.25 | babilen | dreamer: What's the pciid of your nic? |
| 15:34.00 | xok | petn-randall: current date on the system is: Wed Dec 10 23:33:32 GET 2014 |
| 15:34.08 | xok | petn-randall: it's not correct though... |
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| 15:34.11 | dreamer | babilen: 1969:10a1 |
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| 15:34.38 | dreamer | mtn: I'll give it a try |
| 15:34.38 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Hi Guys. i want to use grsecurity... but read kernel must be recompiled |
| 15:34.46 | [BNC]dimitry7 | but then I found this: |
| 15:34.51 | [BNC]dimitry7 | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/kernel-patch-grsecurity2/download |
| 15:35.05 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: That is for squeeze. |
| 15:35.10 | [BNC]dimitry7 | may I install it from the .deb package? |
| 15:35.17 | [BNC]dimitry7 | well. yes I am migrating |
| 15:35.28 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: to squeeze? |
| 15:35.33 | [BNC]dimitry7 | but as for the next 4 months I will be using squeeze |
| 15:35.37 | [BNC]dimitry7 | no, to wheezy |
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| 15:35.42 | [BNC]dimitry7 | I am gonna use it on both |
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| 15:35.57 | [BNC]dimitry7 | 60% squeeze, 40% on wheezy |
| 15:36.14 | petn-randall | xok: I don't see any USB devices failing there. |
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| 15:37.27 | xok | petn-randall: well, if honest me too... |
| 15:37.39 | xok | petn-randall: but the devices are not been recognized.. |
| 15:37.47 | [BNC]dimitry7 | petn-randall, is is usefull the .deb as well? |
| 15:37.53 | xok | no matter which devices I use they are not recognized... |
| 15:38.01 | xok | the ports are totally ignored... |
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| 15:38.15 | petn-randall | xok: Does lsusb list them? |
| 15:38.27 | xok | petn-randall: I think the dmesg file contains logs about integrated devices.. |
| 15:38.33 | xok | petn-randall: no, it does not... |
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| 15:38.48 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: No, you use the package manager for that. |
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| 15:39.02 | xok | petn-randall: it lists integrated web cam and two "hub"s... |
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| 15:39.33 | petn-randall | xok: But nothing you plug into the USB ports? |
| 15:39.36 | [BNC]dimitry7 | petn-randall, yes sure |
| 15:39.48 | xok | petn-randall: absolutely nothing!... |
| 15:39.56 | [BNC]dimitry7 | petn-randall, for the security implications that package has... will i need to reboot? |
| 15:40.09 | [BNC]dimitry7 | not implications, but improvements to the kernel |
| 15:40.18 | xok | petn-randall: hey, wait a minute... |
| 15:40.29 | xok | petn-randall: it shows the drive.. |
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| 15:40.33 | xok | I mean the flash drive.. |
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| 15:40.59 | petn-randall | xok: ... |
| 15:41.02 | xok | what the heck is that?!.. |
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| 15:42.27 | dreamer | mtn: "no ethernet ard was detected" @ firmware-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:42.30 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: You should read the grsecurity documentation for that. As with all security-related tools, you don't get a security improvement "automagically", you need to understand the tools. |
| 15:42.31 | dreamer | card* even |
| 15:42.39 | xok | petn-randall: this drives me crazy, can you help a bit please?.. |
| 15:42.46 | xok | I don't understand what's going on... |
| 15:42.59 | petn-randall | xok: Unless you spill some details, neither do I. |
| 15:43.23 | xok | what exactly do you want to know?.. |
| 15:43.44 | xok | I am connecting the mouse it doesn't show up.. |
| 15:43.52 | mtn | dreamer: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 15:43.59 | xok | I am plugging kyeboard and it doesn't show up neither... |
| 15:44.04 | [BNC]dimitry7 | petn-randall, I did. It doesn't mention any reboot |
| 15:44.15 | [BNC]dimitry7 | or restart |
| 15:44.20 | xok | I am pluggin this usb flash drive and the system sees it without problems.. |
| 15:44.21 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: Then I assume it doesn't need it. |
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| 15:44.25 | [BNC]dimitry7 | ok |
| 15:44.27 | xok | what's this?.. |
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| 15:45.00 | petn-randall | xok: This is IRC, welcome to your new life. |
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| 15:45.13 | [BNC]dimitry7 | lol |
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| 15:45.30 | [BNC]dimitry7 | IRC is the best thing ever |
| 15:45.52 | jelly | [BNC]dimitry7: that patch is very old and not useful at all. Get the latest patch from grsecurity.net and patch the appropriate vanilla kernel. |
| 15:46.02 | [BNC]dimitry7 | If it hadn't been for this, I wouldn't have finished my thesis haha |
| 15:46.07 | [BNC]dimitry7 | jelly, for debian? |
| 15:46.09 | xok | petn-randall: yeah, I've been using it since childhood... ;-) |
| 15:46.19 | dreamer | mtn: oh meh. I see that I need a backported kernel for this .. how the hell do I install a system now >_< |
| 15:46.37 | jelly | [BNC]dimitry7: what do you mean, for debian? |
| 15:47.02 | [BNC]dimitry7 | jelly, I need to use grsecurity for Wheezy and also Squeezze |
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| 15:47.07 | jelly | we're in #debian, any advice I'd give applies if you're running Debian, yes |
| 15:47.16 | mtn | dreamer: even though it is not recommended, you could try using a jessie installer, which would have a newer kernel. |
| 15:47.16 | petn-randall | xok: Have you made sure that no hubs are between the port and the rest? What is the output of lsusb when the devices are plugged in? What is the output in /var/log/kern.log when you plug them in? |
| 15:47.19 | xok | petn-randall: I tried mini USB wifi adapter now and it works as well... |
| 15:47.24 | JTechno | sometimes when I reboot I get a "No bootable device found" from bios, so I have to boot from a live-cd chroot and reinstall grub, then it works again. The partitions are always intact and the boot image seems to be good too. I only have debian installed, I've checked the disk for sanity, the logs have nothing it starts to get frustrating. What can I do to further investigate what's happening? Someone with the same problem? |
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| 15:47.55 | [BNC]dimitry7 | jelly, yes but It sounds rare to me that I have to compile a vanilla kernel to run in debian since I have always been suggested to install it from packages |
| 15:47.58 | JTechno | It's a laptop with uefi |
| 15:48.00 | xok | petn-randall: no ports between hubs... |
| 15:48.00 | petn-randall | xok: Have you blacklisted any modules in /etc/modprobe.d/*? |
| 15:48.00 | dreamer | mtn: installing wheezy using a jessie installer? |
| 15:48.14 | mtn | dreamer: no, installing jessie |
| 15:48.26 | dreamer | I don't want to install jussie |
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| 15:48.32 | jelly | [BNC]dimitry7: well, if you want grsecurity, you get it from upstream, not from Debian. |
| 15:48.32 | dreamer | jessie* even |
| 15:48.37 | oo_miguel | how does grub access my disks in order to load the kernel image from an usb drive or harddisk? does it ship with various drivers for different hardware or does it use BIOS interrupts in real mode? |
| 15:48.40 | mtn | dreamer: I don't know how to use the wheezy installer and get a new kernel without a network connection. |
| 15:48.46 | xok | petn-randall: there are blacklisted modules, they are: ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd |
| 15:48.59 | [BNC]dimitry7 | jelly, just as https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity says |
| 15:49.04 | xok | but the flash drive works without them... |
| 15:49.04 | jelly | [BNC]dimitry7: the mempo project's kernel builds may make things better. |
| 15:49.07 | dreamer | uhg, I guess I'll have to bring an extra network-card tomorrow :/ |
| 15:49.15 | [BNC]dimitry7 | yes |
| 15:49.20 | [BNC]dimitry7 | thanks jelly |
| 15:49.28 | petn-randall | xok: Any reason why you blacklisted them? |
| 15:49.28 | mtn | dreamer: that sounds like a good idea ;) |
| 15:49.43 | jelly | [BNC]dimitry7: some features of grsecurity are diminished in effect if you use a common package someone else built |
| 15:49.48 | xok | petn-randall: I don't remember if honest.. :-D |
| 15:50.13 | [BNC]dimitry7 | jelly, yes, I am going to test both and see what fits my needs |
| 15:50.14 | [BNC]dimitry7 | thanks a lot! |
| 15:50.19 | xok | nothing changes in /var/log/kern.log when I plug or unplug my keyboard + mouse... |
| 15:50.21 | jelly | (symbols are easier to track, etc) |
| 15:50.35 | petn-randall | xok: Well, if you blacklist essential components of the USB subsystem, you can't expect things to still work. And you should remember why you did that, too. |
| 15:50.43 | petn-randall | xok: Don't drink and root! |
| 15:50.58 | xok | petn-randall: I don't drink at all... ;-) |
| 15:51.15 | xok | I will whitelist them and reboot, see if that helps (I am sure it won't but still)... |
| 15:51.45 | petn-randall | xok: Remove them from the blacklist and reboot. It'll likely work then. Enjoy your devices at USB 2.0 speed. |
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| 15:52.37 | dreamer | mtn: meh, was hoping to setup my new desktop today ;) |
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| 15:53.55 | xok | petn-randall: thank you very, very much!... |
| 15:54.02 | xok | petn-randall: it did the trick... :-D |
| 15:54.09 | xok | you are genius, thanks a lot... |
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| 15:54.13 | xok | :-) |
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| 15:54.30 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Guys. I need you opinion on these tools: Maltego. Malcom. Cuckoo. EnCase BlackBag. Are they good? I've heard they aren't. Bu you tell me... |
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| 16:01.51 | ovan | How to add vlan to interface boot persistent? link? |
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| 16:03.01 | jelly | ovan: make sure "vlan" package is installed, and add an interface stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for eg. eth0.70 |
| 16:04.02 | jelly | ovan: the fine manual is at: man vlan-interfaces |
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| 16:04.06 | ovan | Should I remove the existing eth0 entry and only have the eth0.<vlan id> interface listed? |
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| 16:04.17 | ovan | jelly: Reading that atm |
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| 16:05.09 | jelly | ovan: that depends on your setup. Usually if you have vlan tagged traffic, you probably do not have untagged traffic on the same interface, so "eth0" definition ought to be removed |
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| 16:06.18 | ovan | thanks jelly |
| 16:06.20 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: How is any of this related to Debian? We only offer Debian support here. |
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| 16:06.57 | ovan | petn-randall: Is there a way to manage interfaces inside of debian using a particular package? Where else ask #vlan? |
| 16:06.59 | petn-randall | [BNC]dimitry7: Also, you they're all tools. Is a hammer "good"? It depends on the job. |
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| 16:07.20 | ovan | petn-randall: tag a specific vlan on a particular interface |
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| 16:07.43 | ovan | petn-randall: what purpose do you serve? |
| 16:07.45 | petn-randall | ovan: Check 'man interfaces' if you want to set such things up statically. |
| 16:07.50 | ovan | Looked there |
| 16:07.51 | ovan | thanks |
| 16:07.54 | ovan | reading it |
| 16:08.16 | petn-randall | ovan: I don't understand your question. |
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| 16:09.17 | jelly | ovan: however. Drivers for some server cards (bnx2, tg3) seem to be buggy on some machines and the link has to be up when vlans are configured, or else they dont work properly. stupid workaround: http://paste.debian.net/135859/ |
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| 16:10.11 | jelly | ovan: test with a reboot, and have console access handy if your network doesn't come up. :-) |
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| 16:13.23 | jelly | petn-randall: normal interfaces(5) manual doesn't say anything about vlans. Debian has separate man pages for vlan extensions, bridge extensions, wpa... |
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| 16:15.37 | fellipe | hi. how to load (modprobe tun) on debian 7.7 ? |
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| 16:22.20 | jelly | fellipe: uh... just like that |
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| 16:23.40 | fellipe | jelly: ERROR: could not insert 'tun': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg |
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| 16:24.45 | jelly | fellipe: that would mean you're not using Debian's kernel, or you're in a VPS and don't have control of kernel and module loading |
| 16:24.55 | jelly | fellipe: what does dmesg say? |
| 16:25.02 | jelly | fellipe: also, what does uname -a say? |
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| 16:25.51 | ig02033 | yo |
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| 16:26.39 | fellipe | jelly. yeah, I am running a vps from digital ocean. does it matter or change anything: |
| 16:26.40 | fellipe | ? |
| 16:27.54 | jelly | fellipe: I do not know. |
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| 16:28.50 | fellipe | jelly: uname -a: Linux conntrack.com.br 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:29.16 | fellipe | jelly: dmesg: Loading kernel module for a network device with CAP_SYS_MODULE (deprecated). Use CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev- instead |
| 16:30.38 | jelly | fellipe: you may have upgraded the kernel packages and not rebooted after that. 3.2.54-2 is old. What does "dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) | tail -n 1 " say? |
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| 16:31.47 | fellipe | jelly: ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 amd64 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs |
| 16:32.31 | fellipe | jelly: I am running apt-get upgrade now |
| 16:33.52 | jelly | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 16:33.53 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.63-2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.63-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.2.63-2+deb7u2 |
| 16:34.11 | jelly | fellipe: don't forget to reboot after upgrading kernels. |
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| 16:35.45 | fellipe | jelly. sure. but why do ou think this is a kernel upgrade problem? |
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| 16:36.17 | jelly | fellipe: because your old running kernel doesn't want to load on-disk modules from the currently installed kernel. |
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| 16:38.11 | fellipe | jelly: restarted |
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| 16:42.25 | linuser | hi |
| 16:42.27 | linuser | hehe |
| 16:42.28 | linuser | Sooo |
| 16:42.39 | linuser | On my debian system there are already a bunch of users installed, e.g. user 'games'. |
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| 16:42.48 | linuser | Well it is a web server, no need for a 'games' user. |
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| 16:43.03 | linuser | Do they have to exist for the system being LSB/Unix compliant? |
| 16:43.07 | linuser | Or can I remove them? |
| 16:43.22 | linuser | I only need root, deploy, the daemon users, that's all. |
| 16:43.26 | PryMar56 | linuser, they are system only without /home |
| 16:43.38 | fellipe | jelly: same error |
| 16:43.41 | linuser | gnats:x:41:41:Gnats Bug-Reporting System (admin):/var/lib/gnats:/bin/sh |
| 16:43.43 | linuser | this for example |
| 16:43.45 | linuser | in /etc/passwd |
| 16:43.55 | jelly | fellipe: what does uname -a say now? |
| 16:43.57 | linuser | first of all, one can add a comment about each user? cool |
| 16:44.02 | fellipe | jelly: ERROR: could not insert 'tun': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 16:45.09 | linuser | PryMar56: system only? you mean games and such users are only there as kind of compliance placeholders? |
| 16:45.19 | linuser | PryMar56: right, they got no user home. But they are still in the system. |
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| 16:46.40 | linuser | the point is: What linux users should stay as there could be trouble without them (not worth it) and what users can be safely removed. |
| 16:46.46 | jelly | linuser: uids 0-99 are defined by debian policy. |
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| 16:47.00 | linuser | good |
| 16:47.08 | linuser | so those should stay to maintain debian compliance |
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| 16:47.42 | jelly | linuser: that means, don't touch unless you have really good reasons to, and every upgrade of "shadow" package will ask to reintroduce them. |
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| 16:48.05 | linuser | alright |
| 16:48.08 | linuser | what is with nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 16:48.16 | jelly | same thing. |
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| 16:49.21 | linuser | jelly: 65534 > 99, an exception to the 0-99 debian-policy rule |
| 16:49.23 | linuser | ? |
| 16:49.43 | jelly | linuser: please read the policy, 9.2 https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 16:49.50 | LinuxDave | When i select the debian iso in win32 disk installer it says the -iso is read only.... and doesn't accept it. |
| 16:50.00 | LinuxDave | What's the problem with it being read only? |
| 16:50.09 | ChrisH | linuser: these nobody users are -1 and -2 |
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| 16:52.03 | linuser | aha |
| 16:52.05 | linuser | thanks then |
| 16:52.24 | jelly | ChrisH: well, not really, since uid_t and gid_t have been 32bit for a while. Still we need nobody to be exactly 65534 because nfs compatibility and probably other reasons. |
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| 16:53.07 | ChrisH | jelly: OK, then I reword: these nobody accounts used to be -1 and -2 in the good old days :) |
| 16:53.48 | linuser | so there are uid/gid ranges for specific purposes |
| 16:53.54 | jelly | ChrisH: to make things more amusing, RHEL: nfsnobody:x:4294967294:4294967294:Anonymous NFS User:/var/lib/nfs:/sbin/nologin |
| 16:54.19 | linuser | When there is a repository daemon, the UID/GID range 1000-59999 would be fitting for it? |
| 16:54.23 | linuser | It is not installed by a debian package. |
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| 16:55.48 | jelly | linuser: if it's not a person but a service, create a system group and user with addgroup --system and adduser --system. You'll get a dynamically assigned number in 100-999 range I think. |
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| 16:56.19 | ChrisH | jelly: I can offer Solaris 10: nobody:x:60001:60001:NFS Anonymous Access User:/: |
| 16:56.38 | jelly | ChrisH: and there's also a separate nobody5 I believe? |
| 16:57.03 | jelly | hasn't solaris in a while |
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| 16:58.54 | ChrisH | jelly: nobody4:x:65534:65534:SunOS 4.x NFS Anonymous Access User:/: |
| 16:59.54 | jelly | 4? :-) |
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| 17:00.45 | ChrisH | jelly: 4 like SunOS4 (or Solaris 1.x) |
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| 17:03.19 | Evropi | hey, is there any way to use rfkill in debian-installer? My wlan hardware always turns off (or at least I suspect that's the issue) and I need to turn it on by hand but it's not possible in debian for some reason though it is in other distros |
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| 17:03.53 | ChrisH | Evropi: WLAN is not really supported during installation. maybe thats the main reason. |
| 17:04.11 | jelly | Evropi: are you using the firmware image d-i? |
| 17:04.22 | Evropi | jelly: yeah, nonfree-firmware |
| 17:04.38 | Evropi | ChrisH: I keep getting that response and it's really frustrating |
| 17:04.45 | Evropi | I know it's possible to install over wifi and for me there is no other way |
| 17:04.48 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 17:04.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 17:04.53 | jelly | ^^ I meant those |
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| 17:05.09 | Evropi | jelly: the very ones I'm using :P |
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| 17:05.43 | Evropi | for some reason it works in the ubuntu-based distros and arch (which I can't stand though I've had to use it for a few months) |
| 17:05.46 | Evropi | but not debian |
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| 17:06.00 | jelly | Evropi: hmm. Obviously you can switch to console Alt-F3 and install rfkill there |
| 17:06.04 | Evropi | the laptop uses the intel 4965 AG or AGN |
| 17:06.19 | jelly | that doesn't sound too new for wheezy |
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| 17:06.50 | Evropi | it's actually jessie I'm installing though wheezy has the same issue |
| 17:07.05 | jelly | Evropi: perhaps the d-i people would know how to approach this. #debian-boot channel, over on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:07.14 | Evropi | alright, I'll try that |
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| 17:13.49 | jelly | Evropi: if everything else fails, you can boot a linux OS that works and install using debootstrap method |
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| 17:28.25 | FaTony | hi, I can't see text in Brasero cover editor, any help? |
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| 17:33.09 | ROG3R | if an AP get blocked and ask for 60 seconds pause between tries. it means its unhackable ? |
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| 17:37.38 | illy | ROG3R: never assume its unhackable |
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| 17:40.02 | ROG3R | it is ok to remove nepomuk out of my debian system? |
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| 17:42.06 | centrx | ROG3R, Yes, but you may have other things that depend on it that you want to keep, such as some KDE things |
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| 17:46.32 | jelly | ROG3R: you can just disable the services somewhere in kde control panel |
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| 17:48.57 | ROG3R | jelly: i have lxde |
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| 17:49.42 | jelly | ROG3R: nepomuk ought not to be starting at all, then. Why do you want to remove just that bit? |
| 17:49.55 | jelly | brb |
| 17:50.39 | ROG3R | since its an useless app that i never use... i tought i'd rather uninstall it. what do u think? |
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| 18:01.03 | Evropi | hmm jelly you seem to know your stuff. So since #debian-boot couldn't help. do you know how I can put programs onto my debian install usb (remastering the iso doesn't work, it won't boot from it) |
| 18:01.13 | Evropi | and I don't know the flags and whatnot used to make debian isos |
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| 18:02.42 | Evropi | actually |
| 18:02.47 | Evropi | I might just put them on a separate partition |
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| 18:10.24 | jelly-home | Evropi: uh, people in #debian-boot definitely know more about the software they make (d-i) than me, I'm afraid |
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| 18:10.41 | jelly-home | including custom d-i |
| 18:11.33 | jelly-home | the only thing I can do there is point blindly to |
| 18:11.36 | jelly-home | !custom d-i |
| 18:11.36 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 18:13.34 | Evropi | yeah that wasn't what I was looking for I think... |
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| 18:13.51 | Evropi | still working on it |
| 18:13.57 | Evropi | this guide is a bit vague https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
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| 18:14.36 | Evropi | do vmlinuz and whatnot need to be taken out of the netinst disc entirely, or is it good enough to keep them around and use them on the syslinux partition instead? |
| 18:15.06 | jelly-home | I don't think I've ever tried doing that |
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| 18:16.08 | Evropi | hmmmmm |
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| 18:16.52 | Evropi | would it be possible to say, load all the installer components, unplug usb, burn just rfkill onto it, unplug usb, burn debian onto it AGAIN and continue with the install process? |
| 18:16.56 | Evropi | or is it not loaded onto ram |
| 18:17.03 | Evropi | I legitimately don't have a second installation medium |
| 18:17.06 | petn-randall | Evropi: Please don't breathe too hard into the channel, we're trying to avoid getting sick in here. ;P |
| 18:17.21 | Evropi | hey, they're all long messages :P |
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| 18:17.50 | Bierdieb | hello channel. morry to ask a noob questin: there is a warning right after login, volume "var" has 0mb free disk space. what is it used for and how can i delete something from there? |
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| 18:18.21 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: variable stuff like logs and such |
| 18:18.47 | Bierdieb | how to access and clean up this stuff? |
| 18:18.50 | Evropi | var is pretty critical to the system operating |
| 18:19.00 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: you can run "apt-get clean" for a start, then use the "du" command to determine which directories contain most stuff |
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| 18:19.35 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: use "df" to see current used and free space on mounted filesystems |
| 18:19.51 | Evropi | EriC^^: mostly logs but to be honest no-one follows the standards, a lot of data stuff (e.g. databases of individual programs) is stored under there |
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| 18:20.08 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: I'm kind of surprised that debian warns about this at login, did not know of that. |
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| 18:20.32 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:20.45 | Bierdieb | jessie |
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| 18:21.32 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: apt-get clean should remove quite a bit |
| 18:21.44 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: well, you could, as root, run something like du -x /var | sort -n | tail -n 40 and pastebin the output |
| 18:22.28 | jelly-home | (the numbers are in kilobytes) |
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| 18:24.42 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/135880/ pls have a look here |
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| 18:26.25 | asdfffs | Im trying to create several debian packages from my source file with debhelper, however I belieave I need to provide a override to install systemd timers. How can I provide an override for a specific package? |
| 18:26.36 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: "-n" is spelled without a space between - and n |
| 18:26.48 | Bierdieb | oh |
| 18:27.01 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: var is taking 400mb in space? |
| 18:27.08 | jelly-home | but nevermind, it seems you have a really small /var |
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| 18:27.28 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: show "df" or "df -h" output as well, please? |
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| 18:27.55 | jelly-home | bets the silly default partition choice and sizes strike again |
| 18:27.56 | Bierdieb | well it was applicated by default installer. |
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| 18:29.02 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/135881/ |
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| 18:29.47 | jelly-home | okay, that's small but not horribly small. |
| 18:30.02 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/135882/ |
| 18:30.10 | Bierdieb | so what can i do? |
| 18:30.46 | Bierdieb | i have a feeling it could be xcaht logging some silly channel? |
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| 18:30.55 | Bierdieb | xchat |
| 18:31.00 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: nope |
| 18:31.13 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: /var is fine, it's your / that's almost full |
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| 18:31.34 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: if this is a new, personal system, I'd suggest reinstalling and using something like 20GB for /, and don't use separate /var or /tmp at all. You may use a separate /home if you want to. |
| 18:31.50 | jelly-home | EriC^^: /var is fine _now_ after apt-get clean.. |
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| 18:32.11 | EriC^^ | jelly-home: he had 1.8Gb worth of debs? |
| 18:32.12 | Bierdieb | damn it. |
| 18:32.22 | jelly-home | EriC^^: on jessie? Yeah, quite possible |
| 18:32.54 | EriC^^ | ok |
| 18:32.56 | jelly-home | EriC^^: a month of updates: Need to get 2172 MB/2425 MB of archives. After unpacking 358 MB will be used. |
| 18:32.58 | Bierdieb | can i resize the partitions on the fly? |
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| 18:33.12 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: no, only if you used lvm for partitioning |
| 18:33.15 | EriC^^ | jelly-home: yikes |
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| 18:33.45 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: there are some seriously suboptimal defaults at play here, sorry about that |
| 18:34.16 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: you can download gparted live iso, put it onto an usb stick, boot and use that for resizing |
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| 18:35.20 | Bierdieb | okay. but if it isnt essentially needed right now, id like to do that on another day. |
| 18:35.35 | jelly-home | that's fine |
| 18:35.38 | Bierdieb | omg, this will need hrs |
| 18:35.51 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 18:35.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 18:36.04 | jelly-home | ^^ recommended place to ask jessie questions |
| 18:36.11 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: try to clear some kernels from /boot |
| 18:36.12 | Bierdieb | y know that one |
| 18:36.14 | jelly-home | questions about jessie* |
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| 18:36.31 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep linux-image ? |
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| 18:37.01 | Bierdieb | but im almost debian noob, not only testing jessie^^ |
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| 18:38.11 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/135883/ |
| 18:38.55 | EriC^^ | clean as a whistle |
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| 18:40.56 | Bierdieb | can blow my whistle baby let me know..... *sing* so its okay i guess? |
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| 18:41.06 | EriC^^ | Bierdieb: yeah :D |
| 18:41.10 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: what does uname -r say? |
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| 18:41.44 | Bierdieb | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 18:42.20 | jelly-home | Bierdieb: then you may safely uninstall the older linux-image-3.16-3-amd64 package |
| 18:42.37 | EriC^^ | jelly-home: isn't it recommended to have 2 kernels? |
| 18:42.52 | jelly-home | EriC^^: recommended for what? This one booted. |
| 18:42.59 | fireant | pulls kernel from git ;) |
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| 18:45.49 | Bierdieb | nah, i like the system "as is" .... so if its better to resize the partitions to optimize, ill do that... later... instead of taking the risk fixing it to death^^ |
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| 19:10.07 | Evropi | nice trolling |
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| 19:34.09 | Megaf_ | and everything is working |
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| 20:37.48 | falsesentence | hi. I'm using #! wheezy and the #! channel seems stumped on this one. I want to install CUDA, but I have version issues. Aptitude has offered me a solution but I'm not sure if it's a good idea. https://pastee.org/wh3en |
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| 20:38.54 | abrotman | falsesentence: we don't support Crunchbang, try ##linux |
| 20:38.57 | abrotman | or #crunchbang |
| 20:39.12 | falsesentence | like i said , they can't figure it out |
| 20:39.20 | abrotman | falsesentence: then install Debian, otherwise, go ask them |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | we didn't break your stuff |
| 20:39.38 | falsesentence | my stuff's not broken |
| 20:40.20 | mirak_ | hello |
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| 20:40.31 | greycat | #debian has never supported other distributions, not even ones that are "based on Debian" |
| 20:40.48 | greycat | (perhaps ESPECIALLY not the ones that are "based on Debian") |
| 20:41.15 | falsesentence | that's okay, we're all volunteers |
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| 20:48.19 | mirak_ | hello, sometime you have package dépencies like installing A will also install B. However sometime, removing B will not always uninstall A. If a package B that I don't know was removed, I want to know how I can reinstall B, through the package A that installed B . |
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| 20:49.49 | jelly-home | mirak_: if A Recommends: B and B gets removed keeping A in place, there's no way to get back B except installing it manually |
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| 20:50.32 | jelly-home | mirak_: what you can do, after installing B back explicitely, you can mark it as auto-installed |
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| 20:50.35 | somiaj | couldn't you just try to install A again and if recomends are installed by default it would bring them in, or does it just quit thinking because A is already installed. |
| 20:50.36 | mirak_ | jelly-home, but how B was installed in the first place ? |
| 20:50.55 | jelly-home | mirak_: A Recommended it, those get installed automatically. |
| 20:51.06 | somiaj | mirak_: there are depends, recomends and suggested. recomends are pulled in by default, so it isn't a hard dependency and that is how it got pulled in. |
| 20:51.24 | mirak_ | jelly-home, and there is no way to replicate this recommendations installations ? |
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| 20:51.59 | mirak_ | somiaj, I understand that. I just want to replicate that initial recommendation sinstallation. |
| 20:52.02 | jelly-home | mirak_: there is. Remove A and install it again. |
| 20:52.02 | somiaj | mirak_: trying to reinstall A doesn't pull back in the recomends? |
| 20:52.12 | mirak_ | recommendation installations |
| 20:53.03 | mirak_ | jelly-home, it would mean go back to the state I only have a server install then |
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| 20:53.27 | mirak_ | jelly-home, I mean a minimal install |
| 20:53.27 | jelly-home | mirak_: well, that's what you asked for |
| 20:53.34 | greycat | If you know what A and B are, why not just install B and be done? |
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| 20:54.03 | mirak_ | jelly-home, no. I want to install all recommendations without having to uninstal everything |
| 20:54.15 | mirak_ | otherwise I might as well debootstrap from scratch |
| 20:54.22 | jelly-home | mirak_: there is no easy way to do that. |
| 20:54.23 | mirak_ | on a new partition |
| 20:54.26 | mirak_ | ok |
| 20:54.40 | greycat | What is "A" here? |
| 20:55.08 | jelly-home | probably a huge metapackage |
| 20:55.26 | mirak_ | greycat, if I use X and Y instead of A and B does that make it more abstract for you ? ;) |
| 20:55.31 | greycat | I'm worried that he actually meant "for all packages A I want to install every recommendation of A". |
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| 20:55.42 | jelly-home | then it starts to sound like an xy problem |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | mirak_: I don't want it abstract. I want to know WHICH PACKAGE you are unwilling to remove. |
| 20:56.05 | mirak_ | jelly-home, we use A and B as well in my country. |
| 20:56.20 | mirak_ | jelly-home, there is no xy problem as an expression. |
| 20:56.35 | jelly-home | heheh. |
| 20:56.36 | mirak_ | jelly-home, but that's a funny expression though |
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| 20:56.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell mirak_ about xyproblem |
| 20:56.51 | mirak_ | you have Xs and Os I think |
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| 20:57.23 | somiaj | yea xy problem dosen't mean uses the variables x and y. |
| 20:57.28 | jelly-home | unless you assign actual values to A and B it's hard to suggest an approach |
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| 20:58.06 | mirak_ | greycat, yes that's pretty much this. if I have a like a debian-standard package that will pull a lot of packages, I want to be able to pull them again, if I removed some. |
| 20:58.34 | mirak_ | I was thinking I could do that in a deboostrap chroot though, and just create a list of all the packages |
| 20:58.37 | greycat | Fine. Tell us which package it is and we will write a little script for you that apt-get installs all of the things on the Recommends: line. |
| 20:58.56 | somiaj | well with a meta-package it is probabaly the recomends of some of its dependencies |
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| 20:59.09 | somiaj | since it is just a meta package, use jelly-home suggestion, uninstall it and reinstall it |
| 20:59.44 | greycat | We don't even know that it's a meta-package. He refuses to tell us. |
| 20:59.59 | greycat | Because getting actual help is not the goal here, obviously. |
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| 21:00.13 | greycat | Being smarter than us is the goal, from what I can tell so far. |
| 21:00.26 | yoLo_ | is it normal that i'm getting permission denied as root ? |
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| 21:00.38 | greycat | If you're trying to write to an NFS server, possibly. |
| 21:00.54 | yoLo_ | i'm following this instruction to enable my bluetooth |
| 21:00.56 | yoLo_ | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_setup_Bluetooth |
| 21:01.06 | somiaj | yoLo_: depends, root can't say write to a read-only partition unless you remount it as read-write. |
| 21:01.18 | mirak_ | the package is kde-standard |
| 21:01.22 | greycat | Also note that "operation not permitted" and "permission denied" are very different things. |
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| 21:01.45 | greycat | kde-standard installed size is 35. It's a meta-package. |
| 21:01.46 | somiaj | yoLo_: give us the exact command you are running. |
| 21:01.47 | yoLo_ | assuming this has to be done in root |
| 21:02.05 | yoLo_ | somiaj, echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable |
| 21:02.06 | somiaj | yoLo_: i.e. sudo echo 0 > /proc/foo will fail, because the redirect is not done as root |
| 21:02.16 | somiaj | yoLo_: and you aren't running this with sudo? |
| 21:02.17 | greycat | So, I haven't tried this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work: dpkg --remove --force-depends kde-standard; apt-get install kde-standard |
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| 21:02.42 | mirak_ | greycat, if you uninstall and reinstall gnome-desktop-environment it will not pull back all depencies |
| 21:02.50 | yoLo_ | somiaj, i have tried sudo i get the same result |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | You mean all recommends. |
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| 21:03.18 | somiaj | yoLo_: yes sudo will fail because the redirect is not run with root primissions. I was just making sure that wasn't the issue. |
| 21:03.19 | mirak_ | or maybe you have to do a clean remove or something, so dpkg doesn't even remember it installed it previously |
| 21:03.38 | yoLo_ | somiaj, might it be because there is not bluetooth file in the directory ? |
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| 21:03.48 | hassoon | what is(are) the main package(s) of the ATI's open source driver? |
| 21:03.53 | somiaj | yoLo_: ls -l /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable -- what are the permissions on that file (does it even exist)? |
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| 21:03.55 | mirak_ | but then there is the packages that dependend of the recommendations, that need also a similar treatement, and you can't uninstall them all |
| 21:04.14 | yoLo_ | somiaj, files on exit |
| 21:04.19 | yoLo_ | file* |
| 21:04.26 | greycat | hassoon: xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 21:04.26 | somiaj | yoLo_: yes that would be it. It is trying to create a file on a read-only file system /sys which not even root has permission to do. |
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| 21:05.05 | yoLo_ | somiaj, so how can enable my bluetooth |
| 21:05.07 | somiaj | yoLo_: arg well nevermind /sys isn't readonly it is tmpfs, but still I'm unsure if root can create files in /sys directally. But that file doesn't exist on your system? |
| 21:05.10 | hassoon | greycat: I see, thanks |
| 21:05.25 | yoLo_ | nope |
| 21:05.30 | yoLo_ | file does not exist |
| 21:05.33 | somiaj | yoLo_: did you load the thinkpad-acpi module like it suggested? |
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| 21:06.24 | yoLo_ | somiaj, it was automatically done when i installed debian |
| 21:06.46 | somiaj | yoLo_: so 'lsmod | grep thinkpad-acpi' you see a module loaded with that name? |
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| 21:07.28 | linuxuz3r | whats the latest version of debian |
| 21:07.31 | linuxuz3r | stable |
| 21:07.41 | yoLo_ | weazy ? |
| 21:07.48 | linuxuz3r | isnt it jessie |
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| 21:07.54 | yoLo_ | nope |
| 21:08.05 | yoLo_ | somia, no bluetooth |
| 21:08.13 | yoLo_ | somiaj, * |
| 21:08.16 | linuxuz3r | how do i reinstall a package that is 64bit |
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| 21:08.25 | somiaj | yoLo_: note, if you read on the thinkpad-acpi module it says as of 2.6.27 (your kenrel is probabaly newer than that) you shouldn't use that module but you should use the standard ACPI drivers. Does the file /proc/aci/ibm/bluetooth exist? |
| 21:08.30 | yoLo_ | somia |
| 21:08.30 | ompaul | !stable |
| 21:08.31 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.7); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 21:08.33 | yoLo_ | somiaj, |
| 21:08.34 | yoLo_ | yes |
| 21:08.36 | yoLo_ | sorry |
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| 21:08.39 | yoLo_ | there is bluetooth |
| 21:09.06 | somiaj | yoLo_: then read the instructions you liked better, it says if you do not have the thinkpad-acpi module loaded to use the second set of instructions. |
| 21:09.25 | yoLo_ | rfkill somiaj 18860 6 cfg80211,thinkpad_acpi,bluetooth |
| 21:09.25 | linuxuz3r | guys anyone |
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| 21:09.25 | somiaj | yoLo_: what kernel are you running? |
| 21:09.25 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: what package |
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| 21:09.27 | linuxuz3r | libc6-amd64 2.13 |
| 21:09.40 | linuxuz3r | 2.19 a version from sid |
| 21:09.46 | linuxuz3r | or jessie |
| 21:09.50 | yoLo_ | somiaj, how to check kernel ? |
| 21:09.52 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: do not upgrade your libc6 version on stable. |
| 21:09.54 | somiaj | yoLo_: uname -a |
| 21:09.57 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: and you want to install this on jessie? |
| 21:10.03 | linuxuz3r | no |
| 21:10.16 | ompaul | then you don't want to install it on your stable box |
| 21:10.33 | linuxuz3r | somiaj: ok how do i upgrade to the latest stable libc6 |
| 21:10.39 | linuxuz3r | i already did yesterday i think |
| 21:10.41 | yoLo_ | somiaj, Linux owl 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.3-2~bpo70+1 |
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| 21:11.18 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: yea the instructions you have are a bit outdated for that kernel. Try this link https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 21:11.22 | somiaj | yoLo_: ^^ |
| 21:11.29 | yoLo_ | somiaj, ?? |
| 21:11.34 | kurs | suddenly i cant forward ssh anymore ;( none of the forward ports work |
| 21:11.40 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: you want to do apt-get install something |
| 21:11.42 | mirak_ | I found a way not pretty |
| 21:11.46 | mirak_ | "for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | egrep -v '(dpkg|apt|mysql|mythtv)'` ; do apt-get -y --force-yes install --reinstall $pkg ; done" |
| 21:11.49 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: but mixing things is a bad idea |
| 21:11.54 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: debian stables libc6 should be up to date, part of debian saying stable is 'frozen', in debian stable you want to stick with the libc6 version provided. |
| 21:12.02 | greycat | $ dpkg-query --show -f '${recommends}' vim-runtime |
| 21:12.02 | greycat | vim | vim-gnome | vim-gtk | vim-athena | vim-nox | vim-tiny |
| 21:12.15 | greycat | That looks like a good starting point for a script to recursively enumerate the recommendations. |
| 21:12.33 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: please see the message the bot sent you and read that page - before you go further |
| 21:12.43 | yoLo_ | somiaj, why the ^^ ? |
| 21:12.52 | ompaul | yoLo_: to read the line above |
| 21:12.55 | linuxuz3r | somiaj: i the libc6 is 2.13 stable i need 2.15 up |
| 21:12.59 | somiaj | yoLo_: read the line above, I was pointing at it. I used the wrong lick. |
| 21:13.04 | mirak_ | greycat, what is with all the pipes is it a or ? |
| 21:13.08 | greycat | continues looking for a package with multiple recommendations |
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| 21:13.14 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: then you need to run testing / unstable |
| 21:13.14 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: on debian stable you do not want to upgrade your libc6. I repeate, you do not want to do this. |
| 21:13.18 | ompaul | if yiou NEED |
| 21:13.19 | linuxuz3r | and also the program i am coding gives me header errors |
| 21:13.20 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: let me guess you are wanting to run steam? |
| 21:13.27 | linuxuz3r | yes |
| 21:13.53 | greycat | ~$ dpkg-query --show -f '${recommends}' gcc-4.7 |
| 21:13.53 | greycat | libc6-dev (>= 2.13-5) |
| 21:13.55 | greycat | Oh fuck it. |
| 21:13.56 | ompaul | linuxuz3r: read the message the bot sent you |
| 21:14.08 | greycat | Is it really just spitting out the same line as "dpkg -s"?? |
| 21:14.10 | somiaj | linuxuz3r: steam does not support debian wheezy and will not support it (take this up with valuve). Your options are to run testing/unstable (not suggetsed for people not famailr with debian/linux). There is also a 'hackish' way to get it to work you can find on google in wheezy. |
| 21:14.28 | ompaul | somiaj: I sent them the factoid for steam they should read that :) |
| 21:14.38 | ompaul | tries to save somiaj some energy ;-) |
| 21:14.43 | somiaj | ompaul: ahh someone put the instructions together for wheezy, (: |
| 21:14.53 | somiaj | yea I should just go get some food, (: |
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| 21:16.55 | yoLo_ | somiaj, bluetooth is running but module led is not turned on :| ? |
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| 21:18.12 | mirak_ | greycat, thanks |
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| 21:18.39 | LinuxDave | The CD or DVD image you choose should be written directly to the USB stick, overwriting its current contents. For example, when using an existing GNU/Linux system, the CD or DVD image file can be written to a USB stick as follows, after having made sure that the stick is unmounted: |
| 21:18.45 | LinuxDave | The disk must be unmounted? |
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| 21:19.05 | LinuxDave | im here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 21:19.37 | somiaj | mirak_: this might work too, aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i' -- that should list all missing recomended packages that aren't installed |
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| 21:19.50 | mirak_ | somiaj, thanks |
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| 21:20.10 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Right, you're writing a disk image to the disk, you're not writing files to a filesystem. |
| 21:20.31 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: but then i got an error message without it being mounted |
| 21:20.44 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Using what command? |
| 21:20.51 | somiaj | mirak_: so that means you just need to run aptitude install '~RBrecommends:~i' -- note this will install all missing recomended packages on your system, not just ones assoicated with the meta package in question. |
| 21:21.08 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: cp debian.iso /dev/sda |
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| 21:21.24 | LinuxDave | No medium found |
| 21:21.36 | mirak_ | somiaj, that's what I want |
| 21:22.07 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: try dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda - make sure sda is what you think it is first. |
| 21:22.07 | mirak_ | somiaj, ouch, mmm you mean all of them ? |
| 21:22.20 | somiaj | mirak_: if any installed package as a missing recomended package it will install it |
| 21:22.28 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: how do i unmount? safety remove? |
| 21:22.31 | somiaj | you could narrow the serch down further with aptitude I'm sure, but that is a starting point |
| 21:22.36 | mirak_ | somiaj, ok, not the not installed one |
| 21:22.43 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Are you on Linux or Windows? |
| 21:22.45 | mirak_ | that's what I want |
| 21:22.57 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: host windows, guest debian |
| 21:23.01 | LinuxDave | virtual machine |
| 21:23.03 | somiaj | mirak_: yea that :~i says it is only worried about missing (well broken dependency) based on the recomends of any installed package. |
| 21:23.26 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: I'm not sure that's going to work because of how the Host passes the device to the guest. |
| 21:23.36 | jhutchins | !unetbootin |
| 21:23.36 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:24.01 | LinuxDave | I was told it doesnt work? |
| 21:24.06 | LinuxDave | And it didnt work actully for me |
| 21:24.29 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Try that last item - dpkg has sent you a PM about it. |
| 21:24.39 | LinuxDave | So, unetbootin is not working on my pc. And then i was told it doesnt work at all for debin. |
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| 21:24.52 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Results are mixed. |
| 21:25.14 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: I only triggerd that response because I knew it had a link to the win32 thing. |
| 21:25.20 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: can you make it message me again? |
| 21:25.27 | LinuxDave | i think i may have accidentally close it |
| 21:25.53 | jhutchins | Sent. |
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| 21:26.05 | LinuxDave | See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. this ? |
| 21:26.15 | greycat | that means you type "/msg dpkg usb install" |
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| 21:26.25 | LinuxDave | Unetbootin is not working for puppy nux ether to me |
| 21:26.34 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: win32diskimager |
| 21:26.37 | yoLo_ | somiaj, so there's not way of modifying sys ? |
| 21:26.52 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: i had a problm with that as well, it says the .iso is read only |
| 21:26.56 | LinuxDave | not sure why. |
| 21:26.57 | teerrr | hi, i am trying to figure out why i cant forward ports on ssh anymore ;( this was working an hour ago. can anyone think of a place where some remainign files might cause issues? I restart both the server and the local pc |
| 21:27.07 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Shouldn't matter, all it needs it to read it. |
| 21:27.24 | mirak_ | somiaj, what aptitude suggests seems strange. I will try first to get all package that the meta package wants to installal from a debootstraped base |
| 21:27.25 | LinuxDave | but it matters because it doesnt run |
| 21:27.26 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: Make sure the checksum and size of the iso are correct. |
| 21:27.34 | LinuxDave | he just tell me that and does nothing |
| 21:27.48 | LinuxDave | i dont even know how to hash the iso |
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| 21:28.02 | somiaj | yoLo_: /sys is a kernel file system, I'm unsure on its paticualrs, but adding a random file won't just make thigns work. /sys is a collection of files that contain info about your hardware. So yes you can't just add new files to it, but you can modify the content of current files which is basically modifying settings for the kernel modules. |
| 21:28.13 | LinuxDave | let me chekc the size |
| 21:28.18 | somiaj | mirak_: it could be you have recomends from other packages missing not just kde-standard |
| 21:28.34 | somiaj | mirak_: also run the search command first, at least it searches what it will install for you (: |
| 21:29.00 | mirak_ | somiaj, I am expecting apt would like all package it will actually install, because it does it all in one shot |
| 21:29.04 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: You should also be able to change permissions, but it sounds like you might have specified something incorretly. |
| 21:29.05 | mirak_ | and doesn't hide anything |
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| 21:29.47 | linuxuz3r | anyone familiar with pthreads |
| 21:29.52 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: I now I can, but I am too annoyed that it complains about the fact that it is read only, sounds too damn messed up, i only it to bbe read anyway |
| 21:30.03 | somiaj | mirak_: again the command I gave you will find all packages that are not installed on your system but are recomended by some package installed on your system. Note it could be that these packages also have dependencies that need to be satisified, and pulled in. The search won't list them but they will get pulled in by aptitude if you try to install them. |
| 21:30.05 | LinuxDave | *need it |
| 21:30.23 | greycat | I was really hoping dpkg-query would lead to something machine-readable, but alas it just seems to spit out the human-readable "Recommends: ..." line from the actual package status file. |
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| 21:30.34 | LinuxDave | I ran the commands with the usb mounted jhutchins |
| 21:30.39 | LinuxDave | It didn't work? |
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| 21:31.15 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: I don't have a windows system to test it with, I don't know what the procedure is. |
| 21:31.17 | somiaj | greycat: yea I was surprised to find an example of that aptitude command easy enough in google, I sometimes forget aptitude can be extra powerful, http://blog.isonoe.net/post/2011/07/18/Debian-Tips-1%3A-Find-missing-recommended-packages |
| 21:31.21 | mirak_ | somiaj, yes I am aware of that |
| 21:31.31 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: im on debian virtual machine |
| 21:31.55 | LinuxDave | Because apparently noting on windows works |
| 21:32.06 | LinuxDave | so I have tried for so long to get this to work |
| 21:32.14 | LinuxDave | they said with Linux its easier |
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| 21:32.59 | somiaj | LinuxDave: the suggested software for writting a debian iso in windows is called win32diskimager |
| 21:33.24 | LinuxDave | somiaj: its giving me a message saying the image is read only |
| 21:33.30 | LinuxDave | and then doesnt want to proceed |
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| 21:34.00 | greycat | well of course the IMAGE is read only... |
| 21:34.03 | somiaj | LinuxDave: did you select things in the correct order, are you trying to write to the image not write the image? |
| 21:34.07 | greycat | why would you be trying to modify the image? |
| 21:34.18 | somiaj | sounds like you are missusing the software |
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| 21:34.46 | LinuxDave | somiaj: lol i thought about it but i dont seee much room to mess up but maybe i did |
| 21:34.50 | LinuxDave | there is no text in there |
| 21:34.57 | LinuxDave | I have to interpret it like hyeroglyphcs |
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| 21:35.47 | somiaj | LinuxDave: could it be your device is readonly? This may have to be changed in system settings. |
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| 21:36.01 | somiaj | though not sure why it would complain about the image being readonly though. :/ |
| 21:36.06 | LinuxDave | somiaj: device? its the harddrive lol |
| 21:36.21 | greycat | The destination device should be something removable. |
| 21:36.25 | LinuxDave | cant be read only, its the file that is read only, I am clicking the blue folder in order to select the .iso somiaj |
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| 21:36.49 | somiaj | LinuxDave: yea you don't want to write the image to your hd, you want to write it to a usb thumb dirve, a cd drive or something removable. |
| 21:36.53 | greycat | The whole point is to copy the .iso image onto a removable device of some kind (CD, USB stick). |
| 21:37.06 | LinuxDave | somiaj: but it come from there ... |
| 21:37.08 | greycat | Then boot from it. |
| 21:37.29 | LinuxDave | somiaj: isn't selecting the .iso the first step? |
| 21:37.42 | greycat | http://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/win32diskimager/screenshots/win32-imagewriter.png |
| 21:38.03 | somiaj | LinuxDave: but you have to also select a device to write it to. |
| 21:38.16 | hassoon | okey..i want to share with you gentlemen a strange issue that happened to me, but i'm glad everything is fine |
| 21:39.02 | LinuxDave | somiaj: no option to choose that, first is the iso I guess, but as I said, the buttons have no text |
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| 21:39.28 | greycat | does your program not look like the screen shot I just posted? |
| 21:39.38 | LinuxDave | somiaj: isn't the blue folder to select the .iso? |
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| 21:41.02 | hassoon | the thing here is one week ago, my laptop just died in the middle of my net browsing, it kept being black peramanently, and plugging an external monitor to it, displays a crappy picture i nthe said vga monitor filled with vertical miscolored vertical lines during the BIOS/POST |
| 21:41.11 | somiaj | LinuxDave: answer greycat question. You have to select the iso and the device you want to write it to. |
| 21:41.52 | LinuxDave | yes greycat |
| 21:42.09 | hassoon | but just now after doing sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-ati; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati then restarting, the laptop's monitor worked back again |
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| 21:42.16 | cloud9 | is there any way to edit password manually? |
| 21:42.33 | hassoon | cloud9: what password |
| 21:42.49 | cloud9 | my username's password |
| 21:43.13 | greycat | Why would you want to? Just (re)set your password. As root if necessary. |
| 21:43.20 | cloud9 | I mean im just curious if there's alternative way of editing password aside from this --> passwd |
| 21:43.35 | greycat | Yes, of course you can type the hashed password into the shadow file, but why? |
| 21:43.37 | cloud9 | Im just trying to project my box. |
| 21:43.40 | hassoon | cloud9: sudo passwd <username> |
| 21:43.47 | hassoon | type your password twice |
| 21:43.48 | hassoon | done |
| 21:44.02 | greycat | Typing MD5/Blowfish/DES hashes by hand is not going to be more secure than letting passwd type them for you. |
| 21:44.08 | hassoon | oh not that then |
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| 21:46.26 | cloud9 | jst trying to protect my box , got couple of users on my box, how about this file --> /etc/passwd |
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| 21:47.08 | babaw | hey can someone please help me boot Debian off a vanilla kernel without initrd? |
| 21:47.12 | babaw | im getting a kernel panic |
| 21:47.15 | babaw | [ 0.838386] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 21:47.27 | greycat | babaw: As we told you yesterday, configure the kernel NOT to use an initrd. |
| 21:47.34 | babaw | this is a Xen DomU guest |
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| 21:48.49 | boairc | Hi |
| 21:48.51 | boairc | I'm trying to decide if it is worth to use Nginx 1.6.2 from dotdeb repositories vs. 1.2.1 that is default in Debian 7. Thing is MySQL and PHP from Debian are enough for what I need and in fact using the DotDeb packages gives me errors, warnings, etc. that I have to fix for MySQL. Ca you help with info and insight? |
| 21:49.52 | mirak_ | can we use btrfs now ? |
| 21:50.11 | somiaj | mirak_: people can and do. |
| 21:50.27 | somiaj | ,v nginx |
| 21:50.28 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5 |
| 21:50.35 | mirak_ | somiaj, I would use it not for home, just / |
| 21:50.43 | mirak_ | for now |
| 21:50.48 | somiaj | boairc: use the 1.6.0 from the wheezy-backports instead of dotdeb |
| 21:51.47 | babaw | greycat: ahh i somehow missed that. i thought i could leave it enabled but just have all the necessary drivers statically linked |
| 21:51.51 | babaw | ok recompiling now |
| 21:51.54 | somiaj | boairc: looks like there is a 1.6.2 in wheezy-backports too. |
| 21:52.19 | boairc | somiaj: how do i use the backports? i add something to sources.list ? |
| 21:52.27 | somiaj | boairc: yes |
| 21:52.31 | somiaj | !tell boairc about wheezy-backports |
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| 21:52.54 | proxxy | hi |
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| 21:53.05 | cloud9 | anyone here help me how on how to check all running process on my machine via command line? |
| 21:53.15 | greycat | cloud9: ps auxw | less |
| 21:53.32 | greycat | (there are many other variants) |
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| 21:53.41 | proxxy | cloud9: htop is simple |
| 21:54.09 | boairc | somiaj: ill look into it. thank you |
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| 21:54.41 | somiaj | cloud9: I prefer ps fax myself, but 'ps options' where options ditcate process and info you are told. |
| 21:54.44 | LinuxDave | [21:41] <somiaj> LinuxDave: answer greycat question. You have to select the iso and the device you want to write it to. how? doesnt work lol |
| 21:55.07 | somiaj | LinuxDave: does your software look like the image greycat linked...I gotta go, best of luck |
| 21:55.17 | LinuxDave | somiaj: i said yes |
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| 21:57.38 | proxxy | yep |
| 21:58.00 | proxxy | So I run curl and there is a http 500 on that request, however, curl simply returns and doesn't print or write a file. |
| 21:58.05 | proxxy | I need the response body. |
| 21:58.07 | proxxy | Anyone? :( |
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| 21:59.51 | boairc | ok... how do i make it so apt uses backports or dotdeb (whichever i will choose) but only for nginx and for anything else uses regular debian 7 repo? |
| 22:00.19 | jelly-home | boairc: backports work like that by default. |
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| 22:00.38 | jelly-home | you have to explicitely install something from wheezy-backports |
| 22:01.05 | jhutchins | !dotdeb |
| 22:01.06 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 22:01.09 | jelly-home | dotdeb is... problematic. Their packaging isn't up to standards. |
| 22:01.12 | boairc | so i add in sources.list this line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 22:01.38 | jhutchins | boairc: What about contrib and non-free? |
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| 22:02.05 | boairc | and then to install nginx 1.6.* from the backports what do i do? |
| 22:02.07 | jelly-home | boairc: best to read the instructions on backports.debian.org instead of making us repeat them |
| 22:02.12 | boairc | ok |
| 22:02.37 | jelly-home | ,v nginx |
| 22:02.38 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5 |
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| 22:03.00 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.01 | babaw | how can i specify a disk rather than UUID to grub at boot time? |
| 22:03.27 | babaw | theres the linux line and the search line |
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| 22:05.18 | jhutchins | babaw: /dev/sda1 would be (0,1) |
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| 22:06.41 | babaw | im looking to use /dev/xvda1. whats the format i need to write it in? |
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| 22:07.21 | efiop | hi! Guys, could someone show me debian default kernel config, please? |
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| 22:07.48 | greycat | efiop: the config file is in /boot/. If you're on wheezy on amd64, then it's /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 22:08.19 | jhutchins | babaw: I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't believe the guest sees the disk as an xvd device when it's booting. |
| 22:08.28 | LinuxDave | Where do I donwload the latest win32 disk imager installer? |
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| 22:08.40 | jhutchins | babaw: In VMWare it sees it as an ATA/SATA/SCSI disk. |
| 22:08.46 | LinuxDave | apparently i downloaded an outdated version. isn't there an official website or something? |
| 22:08.47 | greycat | !win32diskimager |
| 22:08.48 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 22:09.00 | jhutchins | LinuxDave: From the sourceforge link in the factoid dpkg gave you. |
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| 22:09.52 | DammitJim | is there a package to connect to db2 in Jessie? |
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| 22:10.34 | LinuxDave | jhutchins: oh i see, i downloaded that one, it has a bug doesnt let me install read only .isos |
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| 22:11.55 | efiop | greycat: no, i'm not using debian. Thats why i'm asking for a config =) |
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| 22:12.29 | greycat | Then I don't know what good it would do you. Debian's config is for Debian's patched-to-hell-and-back kernel. |
| 22:12.46 | proxxy | hi |
| 22:13.08 | efiop | greycat: yes, i need to know if there is CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE enabled |
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| 22:13.17 | proxxy | So I installed php5 package (for a legacy app) and it got a php5.ini. And they write in that ini that there are two modes, production and development. |
| 22:13.21 | mirak_ | somiaj, I meant without hanging themselves mysteriously at some point |
| 22:13.22 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ grep CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:13.23 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ |
| 22:13.23 | proxxy | How can I enable the development version of that php5.ini? |
| 22:13.25 | greycat | No. |
| 22:13.41 | efiop | greycat: 3.2 ? |
| 22:13.48 | efiop | greycat: why so old? |
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| 22:14.00 | greycat | ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 |
| 22:14.09 | greycat | Because wheezy is the STABLE release. |
| 22:14.14 | efiop | oh =) |
| 22:14.15 | proxxy | anyone?! |
| 22:14.20 | proxxy | are you all ignoring me? :( |
| 22:14.24 | proxxy | why? what have I done? |
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| 22:15.18 | efiop | could someone not using wheezy(kernel at least >= v3.11) grep CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE it his config? |
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| 22:15.30 | greycat | What are you looking for? |
| 22:15.54 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 22:15.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17.0-trunk-686-pae (3.17.4-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 22:16.09 | LinuxDave | win32 disk imager gives me errors after errors |
| 22:16.28 | proxxy | greycat: can you read my message? |
| 22:16.35 | proxxy | am I muted? |
| 22:16.51 | greycat | No, you are not muted. |
| 22:16.52 | boairc | assuming nginx 1.2.1 is enough in terms of features it is secure yes? i mean there are no security issues that are solved in 1.6.* and not in 1.2.* right? i mean since is stable |
| 22:16.57 | proxxy | ok |
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| 22:18.08 | jelly-home | proxxy: try looking for the file those comments named: dpkg -S php.ini-development |
| 22:18.15 | proxxy | ah |
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| 22:21.10 | jhutchins | boairc: Debian stable packages receive security patches and are not the same as the same upstream version. |
| 22:21.34 | jhutchins | boairc: That said, there's nothing secure about a webserver. |
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| 22:22.48 | CheckDavid | So I did the win 32 disk imager business |
| 22:22.57 | CheckDavid | Is it ready to boot? |
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| 22:23.51 | CheckDavid | Pfft. Doesn't show up as a boot optio |
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| 22:24.07 | efiop | hey, anyone with a recent official kernel? =) Just couldn't find official config other that downloading image. |
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| 22:24.16 | babaw | greycat: any other ideas? |
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| 22:24.36 | CheckDavid | Omg this is like the 5th method I try to get Debian working |
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| 22:25.33 | babaw | heres the cash output: http://pastebin.com/XhWerRKf |
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| 22:31.38 | linuxuz3r | how do i add a folder for network sharing |
| 22:32.26 | jhutchins | linuxuz3r: mkdir |
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| 22:33.27 | mirak_ | If I create a full disk with btrfs, how do we handle swap ? |
| 22:33.46 | proxxy | linuxuz3r: what technology is used for sharing? nfs? samba? some vmware/virtualbox fs? |
| 22:33.50 | jhutchins | mirak_: swapfile |
| 22:33.55 | CheckDavid | I just installed Debian on a USB with win32 disk imager but it doesn't show up in the boot options... Is it impossible to get this to work? :( |
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| 22:34.15 | mirak_ | jhutchins, on arch site they say it's no well supported |
| 22:34.16 | linuxuz3r | samba |
| 22:34.18 | linuxuz3r | ok |
| 22:34.18 | mirak_ | for some reason |
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| 22:34.22 | linuxuz3r | ill use smb |
| 22:34.28 | _2_brooklyn | hi |
| 22:34.28 | mirak_ | i don't know if it's still the case |
| 22:34.32 | linuxuz3r | does nfs work in windows |
| 22:34.41 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: which boot options does it not show up in? Is your ststem capable of USB boot? |
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| 22:34.44 | _2_brooklyn | hey |
| 22:34.56 | jhutchins | linuxuz3r: Yes, but requries additional software. |
| 22:34.56 | CheckDavid | Yes it is jhutchins |
| 22:35.05 | CheckDavid | jhuebner: hard drive and network |
| 22:35.11 | linuxuz3r | jhutchins: samba doesnt? |
| 22:35.13 | _2_brooklyn | slow down |
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| 22:35.54 | jhutchins | linuxuz3r: samba uses native windows protocols. NFS works in windows but requires additional software. |
| 22:36.11 | linuxuz3r | ok |
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| 22:37.25 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You need to verify the checksum of the iso you downloaded, and you need to verify that it was correctly and completely copied the the USB. Those are the most common reasons for the USB not being bootable. |
| 22:37.58 | CheckDavid | OK. How do I check all that? |
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| 22:38.20 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I can tell you how to do it in linux... |
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| 22:38.36 | CheckDavid | I'm on windows. This is hell |
| 22:38.40 | CheckDavid | Lol |
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| 22:41.06 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 22:41.07 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 22:41.57 | s7r | is there an easy guide how to deploy virtual machines (openvz) on a debian machine, each of them having its dedicated network stack with local loopback address as well as dedicated ip address? |
| 22:42.51 | bonjurkes | hello all, my brain is half working right now actually. So I am trying to run an installation. And it fails on php-config5 . Do we have this package on debian? |
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| 22:44.12 | jordanm | s7r: openvz is basically dead in favor of lxc, consider using that instead |
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| 22:44.17 | marioxcc | Hi. Are init script in Debian 7.7 ever passed arguments other than start and stop during normal operation?. |
| 22:44.19 | homecable | any one using openbox ? |
| 22:44.33 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: the hash is correct. Now I'm.lost. not sure how to check the rest |
| 22:44.41 | jordanm | s7r: docker is the most common way to deploy lxc containers |
| 22:45.03 | s7r | jordanm where can i read some basics about it ? |
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| 22:45.36 | jordanm | s7r: https://docs.docker.com/ |
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| 22:46.43 | marioxcc | Hi. Are init script in Debian 7.7 ever passed arguments other than start and stop during normal operation?. |
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| 22:47.18 | jordanm | marioxcc: what is normal operation? |
| 22:47.25 | jordanm | marioxcc: you mean not by the administrator? |
| 22:47.56 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I'd probably try writing the drive again, especially if you got errors. Look for an option to verify it when it's written. |
| 22:48.18 | marioxcc | jordanm: I meant, unless called directly by the administrator. |
| 22:48.30 | jordanm | marioxcc: not be default |
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| 22:48.54 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: verify it? It said it was.successful when it was done |
| 22:48.55 | jordanm | marioxcc: logrotate may call "reload" depending on the package and how the maintainer set it up |
| 22:49.11 | jhutchins | marioxcc: start, stop, restart, reload... those are the most common ones, specific scripts have others (apache for instance has 'graceful'). |
| 22:49.29 | jhutchins | marioxcc: If you just run the script without an argument it should provide a list (and do nothing else). |
| 22:49.34 | marioxcc | Ok and thanks jordanm, jhutchins. |
| 22:49.41 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: OK I'm installing again |
| 22:49.50 | jordanm | jhutchins: reload and graceful are the same thing |
| 22:49.51 | marioxcc | I'm reading the debian policy. |
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| 22:50.19 | jhutchins | jordanm: not for apache. |
| 22:50.35 | jordanm | jhutchins: yes, i just double checked |
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| 22:50.46 | jhutchins | jordanm: There's also a graceful stop of some syntax. |
| 22:50.59 | jordanm | yeah, graceful-stop is different |
| 22:51.08 | jordanm | but reload is the same thing as graceful |
| 22:51.19 | jordanm | same code is executed |
| 22:51.24 | jhutchins | jordanm: ok. |
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| 22:52.10 | jhutchins | jordanm: I think it got merged at some point because it made more sense. (Been running the danged thing since 1.2 or so) |
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| 22:52.48 | jhutchins | I find I'm using apachectl more often, it seems more reliable than the init script. |
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| 22:53.10 | babaw | other than the FS, chipset and hdd controller drivers, is there anything else that needs to be built into the kernel to make sure i can access the partitions? |
| 22:53.12 | CheckDavid | JH it is saying write successful |
| 22:53.17 | babaw | this is really frustrating |
| 22:53.35 | jhutchins | I had a system that was "stacking" instances of exim and apache. It would execute a restart and never shut down the previous set of processes. I _think_ that's fixed now. |
| 22:53.41 | CheckDavid | https://i.imgur.com/xtCBLhc.jpg jhutchins |
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| 22:53.49 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Fingers crossed. |
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| 22:54.16 | jordanm | babaw: that stuff only needs to be builtin if it's not in the initrd |
| 22:54.31 | babaw | ye ai built it all in cuz im not using an initrd |
| 22:54.38 | babaw | and im still getting a panic |
| 22:54.39 | babaw | http://pastebin.com/XhWerRKf |
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| 22:54.49 | CheckDavid | Still not an option jhutchins |
| 22:54.59 | jhutchins | babaw: Then you step through the modules and knock the errors out one by one. |
| 22:55.06 | jordanm | babaw: yeah, looks like a missing driver |
| 22:55.09 | jhutchins | I gotta go home and turn the lights on for the cats. |
| 22:55.30 | babaw | jhutchins: waddu mean step through? |
| 22:55.30 | jordanm | babaw: I would recommend using an initrd (and a debian provided kernel) |
| 22:55.57 | babaw | jordanm: im using the kernel.org kernel cuz someone recommended it yesterday |
| 22:56.00 | babaw | and because its the newest |
| 22:56.03 | babaw | 3.18 |
| 22:56.35 | jordanm | babaw: why do you need the newer version? |
| 22:56.41 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 22:56.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17.0-trunk-686-pae (3.17.4-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 22:57.16 | babaw | someone in this room told me to get it off kernel.org yesterday. i dont necessarily need the neweest |
| 22:57.21 | amizya | Hello guys, any ideas about sharing 3G internet over Wifi ? |
| 22:57.29 | babaw | but ive come this far, and i dont think it would be much further to go to get this working |
| 22:57.33 | totoooooo | hi my "lo" keeps coming up down after a reboot, how do I make sure it is up auto ? |
| 22:57.55 | totoooooo | it is set to auto already in interfaces |
| 22:58.09 | jordanm | babaw: well, if it's for fun, have at it |
| 22:58.27 | jordanm | babaw: but if you are just trying to get a working system, it's a waste of time |
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| 22:58.33 | babaw | [ 0.836436] VFS: Cannot open root device "UUID=4509cfa8-09e0-4ae5-a6d4-9558b2994e76" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6 |
| 22:58.38 | babaw | this line prolly has clues |
| 22:58.48 | jordanm | yes, that's the line that matters |
| 22:58.51 | CheckDavid | After trying 5 or so methods of having Debian to.run on my machine what should I do? =\ |
| 22:58.54 | jordanm | it's missing a driver |
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| 22:59.01 | CheckDavid | None worked |
| 22:59.01 | jordanm | filesystem, disk controller, etc |
| 22:59.11 | babaw | the gentoo docs say unknown block (0, 0) means it cant see the disk controller |
| 22:59.56 | babaw | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Knowledge_Base:Unable_to_mount_root_fs |
| 23:00.18 | babaw | its unable to detect the controller for your hard disk (a likely candidate if the message says unknown-block(0,0)) |
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| 23:01.08 | babaw | jordanm: how can i find the missing driver? |
| 23:01.31 | jordanm | babaw: lot of trial and error |
| 23:01.35 | babaw | ehh |
| 23:01.37 | jordanm | babaw: wasted weeks |
| 23:01.49 | jordanm | babaw: booting a livecd and marking down all the drivers listed in lscpi -k |
| 23:02.02 | jordanm | or lsmod |
| 23:02.18 | babaw | it also says Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: ca01 10005504 xvda1 0004270f-01 |
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| 23:02.31 | babaw | but its specified byu UUID rather than device name in grub |
| 23:02.41 | jordanm | yeah, that's fine |
| 23:02.42 | eurobit | lspci |
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| 23:04.42 | babaw | hmm i see one driver called xen-platform-pci |
| 23:04.51 | babaw | but i dont see it when i search menuconfig |
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| 23:05.15 | jordanm | babaw: you can use / to search |
| 23:06.24 | babaw | yea i did |
| 23:06.28 | babaw | i didnt see it |
| 23:06.35 | babaw | now im just grepping the FS... |
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| 23:06.38 | marioxcc | Hi. I want to write a custom init script for Debian 7.7. What should I do to print the "Staring (...)... [OK]" message? |
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| 23:07.46 | eurobit | menuconfig is in caps |
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| 23:08.16 | pharpend | babaw: don't search for xen-platform-pci, search for xen_platform_pci |
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| 23:11.14 | pharpend | why do y'all have a channel limit if the bot keeps increasing it? |
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| 23:11.25 | dondelelcaro | pharpend: because it prevents join flooding |
| 23:11.31 | pharpend | hmm? |
| 23:11.38 | PryMar56 | marioxcc, use logger |
| 23:11.43 | pharpend | has never seen join flooding |
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| 23:12.03 | dondelelcaro | pharpend: stick around; you'll see it. |
| 23:12.14 | pharpend | has join/part messages disabled |
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| 23:16.24 | eurobit | pharpend /me disabled |
| 23:16.33 | eurobit | has pharpend /me disabled |
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| 23:22.06 | majuscule | /win/win 16 |
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| 23:22.54 | eurobit | come on majuscule get with the aliases it is /16 |
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| 23:24.48 | CheckDavid | Why is creating a debian live USB so |
| 23:24.52 | CheckDavid | Hard? |
| 23:25.01 | CheckDavid | =/ |
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| 23:25.43 | eurobit | the rumour is a ubunut sabatour/infiltrator is in charge of live usb mfg |
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| 23:25.46 | CheckDavid | Just because I am no wizard and I am on windows nothing seems to work. |
| 23:25.48 | cafuego | don't you just write an iso to a usb stick with that usb creator tool? |
| 23:26.02 | cafuego | CheckDavid: You just answered your own question ;-) |
| 23:26.06 | CheckDavid | I tried 2 tools |
| 23:26.12 | cafuego | "windows" |
| 23:26.27 | CheckDavid | Win32 and unetbooin |
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| 23:27.04 | babaw | where in the kernel config tree is xen-platform-pci? |
| 23:27.06 | CheckDavid | But its also hard to buy Linux laptops |
| 23:27.11 | CheckDavid | They are not cheaper anymore |
| 23:27.27 | eurobit | who sold linux laptops? |
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| 23:28.05 | cafuego | eurobit: spam^Wdell |
| 23:28.22 | CheckDavid | So that's it?? I should quit because I don't have Linux already running... That's a nice catch 22.../can't get Linux cause I don't have linux |
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| 23:28.59 | centrx | CheckDavid, How's it going |
| 23:29.07 | cafuego | CheckDavid: Well, I don't have a windows anything, nor have I run it in the past decade or so, so I don't know how to help. |
| 23:29.08 | CheckDavid | Its not. |
| 23:29.14 | eurobit | CheckDavid: download the 1st cd and burn it with windows and then use apt-get to get whatelse you need |
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| 23:29.24 | CheckDavid | Spent the last 2 days trying to get Linux on my machine |
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| 23:29.38 | eurobit | you have a cd burner and blank cd? |
| 23:29.40 | CheckDavid | What eurobit ? |
| 23:29.44 | CheckDavid | I don't |
| 23:29.53 | CheckDavid | CD is the only way? |
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| 23:30.02 | CheckDavid | I wanted USBor boot from |
| 23:30.07 | CheckDavid | *HDD |
| 23:30.16 | somiaj | Sounds like you are having issues using win32diskimager software, go see if they have better support. We recomend it because it does what it needs to do for debian isos and most can use it just fine. (: |
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| 23:30.41 | CheckDavid | It says succes |
| 23:30.50 | CheckDavid | Says the image was copied successfully |
| 23:30.52 | babaw | any ideas? |
| 23:30.57 | CheckDavid | But then doesn't boot |
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| 23:32.03 | cafuego | You did configure your system to boot from USB right? |
| 23:32.29 | cafuego | Without (probably) EFI secureboot enabled? |
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| 23:33.50 | somiaj | if he has a debian-live image it cannot even do efi boot |
| 23:33.57 | somiaj | (or at least they couldn't last I checked) |
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| 23:34.23 | cafuego | shrugs. I dunno ... not done a non-VM install in about 4 years ;-) |
| 23:34.24 | eurobit | hey how come no one asks why CheckDavid doesn't have a cd |
| 23:34.35 | cafuego | eurobit: It's not 1994 |
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| 23:35.37 | CheckDavid | Yes cafuego it booted a USB already |
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| 23:35.53 | CheckDavid | I'm not sure about efi though |
| 23:35.57 | cafuego | CheckDavid: In that case I'm out of ideas. |
| 23:36.24 | cafuego | CheckDavid: You can get into the bios setup and you *should* be able to toggle between EFI or old-style bios mode. Maybe. |
| 23:36.42 | CheckDavid | I don't have CDs because I have no need for them apart from |
| 23:36.46 | CheckDavid | *now |
| 23:36.55 | CheckDavid | I thought CDs went extinct... |
| 23:37.02 | cafuego | they did |
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| 23:37.22 | CheckDavid | cafuego: I saw tha t in the bios |
| 23:37.28 | somiaj | they usually call it 'legacy' boot, but yes if you have an uefi board, you need to configure legacy boot for the wheezy live images (at least last I checked). The offical wheezy installers can do legacy or efi (non-secure) boot |
| 23:37.30 | CheckDavid | Can I turn that safely? |
| 23:37.30 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Which version of Windows? |
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| 23:37.48 | eurobit | mayb 8 track tapes but not cds |
| 23:38.09 | CheckDavid | 8 or 8.1/ |
| 23:38.12 | CheckDavid | Its new laptop |
| 23:38.19 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Yeah, that'll be EFI |
| 23:38.22 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 23:38.23 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 23:38.27 | cafuego | CheckDavid: I would hazard yes... you can turn it on again if it makes no different to the usb boot. It *may* affect whether windows will boot. |
| 23:38.39 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: That's been usable for about six years at least though. |
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| 23:39.19 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: that what? Win32? |
| 23:39.30 | eurobit | why not make a virtualbox and then get the iso and mount it on a windows dir and then??? |
| 23:39.35 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Pleaseread the notes above. |
| 23:39.43 | CheckDavid | cafuego: can be changed with no permanent. effects right? |
| 23:39.57 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: EFI has been working since the intel mac's came out. |
| 23:40.20 | CheckDavid | eurobit: explain that again please hmmm |
| 23:40.26 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You'll want to be careful about your EFI partition so you don't loose Windows. |
| 23:40.47 | cafuego | or lose it, for that matter |
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| 23:41.29 | cafuego | CheckDavid: I expect you can enable legacy boot and then re-enable uefi/secureboot without any ill effects as long as you don't modify the efi aprtition. |
| 23:41.54 | CheckDavid | This is all scary but OK let me doit |
| 23:41.59 | jhutchins | You can also install Debian with EFI, and I haven't heard of it preventing a USB boot. |
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| 23:42.18 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I don't suppoes you've made a backup of your Windows system. |
| 23:42.25 | CheckDavid | kkvlk: I didnt |
| 23:42.26 | eurobit | get the debian iso - mount it - make a virtual box on the windows and install the debian- it must have windows executables (mandrake/mandriva did) to start the debian installation |
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| 23:42.38 | CheckDavid | Do I need for this.operation? |
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| 23:43.12 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Given the number of problems you've had, given the possibility of an "oops" somewhere, I think it would be a very good idea. |
| 23:43.30 | CheckDavid | Windows executables? Man I'm really lost eurobit . Sounds cool what you saying though |
| 23:43.42 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: If you have windows restore disks, that's good, if you have them on the HD you should probably create the disks before you go further. |
| 23:43.43 | CheckDavid | Oh... |
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| 23:44.23 | CheckDavid | So this bios function may trigger a disk format? |
| 23:44.30 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You are going to be changing partitions and formatting filesystems. This places what's on the disk now at risk. |
| 23:44.59 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: No, the bios won't harm the disk, but you'll be making changes on the disk, and things can go wrong. |
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| 23:45.34 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Again, given the problems you've had so far, it sure would be nice if you could say "oh well, I'll just restore the backup". |
| 23:45.35 | EriC^^ | it's a good idea to make the restore disks anyways, cause once you change the partitions the recovery partition probably wont boot anymore |
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| 23:45.50 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: at which step will I.make changes? |
| 23:46.15 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Certainly before you end up with a bootable Debian install. |
| 23:46.15 | CheckDavid | Why will in change partitions? |
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| 23:46.21 | EriC^^ | or at least backup the recovery partition to an ext hdd or something |
| 23:46.27 | CheckDavid | I'm installing live to avoid touching the disk too much |
| 23:46.30 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Have you read the install guide? |
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| 23:46.50 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: yes had problems though |
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| 23:46.57 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You don't install live, live is when it's not installed. |
| 23:47.00 | CheckDavid | Was trying from Virtual machine debian |
| 23:47.14 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: I mean install/copy to.usb |
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| 23:47.50 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I thought you were going to run the installer (that's what most people do). |
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| 23:48.29 | CheckDavid | Nah. I ran already. Many problems and doesn't resize the hdd |
| 23:48.37 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You should have the restore disks made on general principles, and you should make regular backups because things do go wrong, but if you run the live image just as a live image it won't touch your HD unless YOU touch the HD with it. |
| 23:49.06 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Right, which you would know about if you read the install guide. |
| 23:49.10 | jhutchins | I gotta go. |
| 23:49.12 | CheckDavid | Nothing important on the drive |
| 23:49.27 | CheckDavid | Lulyluly |
| 23:49.31 | CheckDavid | Now I can boot |
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| 23:50.11 | CheckDavid | Booting. |
| 23:50.31 | CheckDavid | I'm in Debian :D |
| 23:50.40 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: are you trying to dual boot win8 and debian? |
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| 23:51.06 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: sort of. But I don't want to.mess around with disks. Had too much headache with that already |
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| 23:51.50 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: you have to resize the win8 partition to install debian i think |
| 23:51.56 | CheckDavid | OK now I'm on Debian due to the legacy mode |
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| 23:52.08 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: well, that's messed up |
| 23:52.18 | CheckDavid | What is EriC^^ ? |
| 23:52.57 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: type sudo parted -l |
| 23:53.08 | EriC^^ | and paste it in paste.debian.com |
| 23:53.34 | CheckDavid | Can I photograph it? |
| 23:53.38 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: if you're using efi with win8 and you install debian in legacy mode, you can't dual boot |
| 23:53.42 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: yeah |
| 23:53.59 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: not gonna install |
| 23:54.19 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: so you're not installing? |
| 23:55.58 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: no . I want to keep stuff as isolated as possible |
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| 23:56.16 | CheckDavid | If I didn't care about isolation in would run it off of virtualbox |
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| 23:56.33 | CheckDavid | Which i would love |
| 23:56.53 | CheckDavid | But then viruses can take my machine anyway lol |
| 23:57.03 | CheckDavid | Its just a securitynproblem |
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| 23:57.18 | Vasistha | I have a system installed on a usb flash drive, with encrypted root, which is no longer booting. Not sure why. I have it mounted and can chroot and everything looks fine. |
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| 23:57.39 | EriC^^ | i dont think viruses can propagate from virtualbox to the host |
| 23:58.01 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: is the parted terminal command still relevant? |
| 23:58.17 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: wel only if you want to know your setup better |
| 23:58.21 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: obviously no mean from host |
| 23:58.31 | CheckDavid | *I mean |
