| 00:00.06 | CheckDavid | I don't knownhr last character of the command |
| 00:00.07 | EriC^^ | i think they can communicate through the guest additions |
| 00:00.13 | CheckDavid | Is it l? |
| 00:00.18 | CheckDavid | Let me show |
| 00:00.33 | EriC^^ | yes |
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| 00:00.35 | CheckDavid | https://i.imgur.com/tM3cmv2.jpg |
| 00:00.54 | CheckDavid | Oh sudo means to.login right? |
| 00:01.06 | CheckDavid | I'm really rusty at this Linux business |
| 00:01.34 | EriC^^ | no it doesn't it means run a command as another user |
| 00:01.48 | EriC^^ | debian doesn't have parted installed by default? |
| 00:02.16 | CheckDavid | Not sure |
| 00:02.47 | EriC^^ | try sudo gdisk -l |
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| 00:03.26 | CheckDavid | Not found |
| 00:03.44 | CheckDavid | This is a 1.2 GB image |
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| 00:03.47 | CheckDavid | Should work |
| 00:04.01 | EriC^^ | the command wasn't found? |
| 00:04.08 | CheckDavid | No |
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| 00:04.36 | EriC^^ | try sudo lsblk -F |
| 00:04.40 | CheckDavid | But now its good. I can boot |
| 00:04.50 | EriC^^ | sorry -f |
| 00:05.36 | CheckDavid | Many stuffs show up lol |
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| 00:06.12 | CheckDavid | Is my system running on ram? |
| 00:06.46 | EriC^^ | is there a vfat called EFI ? |
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| 00:07.24 | CheckDavid | No |
| 00:07.32 | EriC^^ | ok |
| 00:07.35 | EriC^^ | type sudo fdisk -l |
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| 00:07.48 | qu1nn | newb question: is there any specific group that a user would need to be associated with in order to launch a network vpn connection? |
| 00:07.57 | CheckDavid | Done |
| 00:08.07 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: does it complain about gpt? |
| 00:08.50 | CheckDavid | Yes EriC^^ says the until fdisk does not support it |
| 00:08.53 | CheckDavid | Util |
| 00:08.59 | EriC^^ | ok |
| 00:09.54 | eurobit | newb because the vpn needs control of the interface it probably should be 'root' |
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| 00:10.24 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: can you take a screen shot of sudo lsblk -o NAME,FSTYPE,SIZE,LABEL ? |
| 00:10.44 | CheckDavid | I have to write all that? Lol |
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| 00:12.05 | qu1nn | eurobit: the user has 'root', what else do you think the problem could be (other than the operator ;) |
| 00:12.37 | eurobit | what is the vpn? |
| 00:12.53 | qu1nn | work |
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| 00:13.31 | eurobit | the app ? openvpn? strongswan? |
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| 00:16.27 | qu1nn | Eurobit: Widget > Network Management> it is working on a different computer, but for some reason a debian box is acting differently and I am not sure how to troubleshoot |
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| 00:18.08 | CheckDavid | https://i.imgur.com/0PmzaBY.jpg EriC^^ |
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| 00:19.20 | EriC^^ | CheckDavid: ok, i think the second vfat is the efi |
| 00:19.29 | EriC^^ | the one labeled esp |
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| 00:20.29 | EriC^^ | anyways if you ever need to install debian, boot it in uefi mode and install, it will add the files to that efi partition and you can dual boot win8 and debian |
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| 00:22.42 | CheckDavid | How do I boot in UEFI mode EriC^^ ? |
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| 00:23.57 | EriC^^ | when you boot the pc you can press esc or something and access the boot options and select to boot the usb in uefi mode |
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| 00:24.27 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: but I.had to disable that in prefer to boot |
| 00:24.36 | CheckDavid | *order |
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| 00:24.49 | EriC^^ | what was happening? |
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| 00:40.20 | CheckDavid | EriC^^: why do.you.think I disabled that? |
| 00:40.26 | CheckDavid | USB didn't show.up in theenu |
| 00:40.30 | CheckDavid | *the menu |
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| 00:52.40 | boairc | sed -i "s/# gzip_/gzip_/g" file <- this uncomments any commented line starting with gzip_ ? |
| 00:53.49 | proxxy | So when I installed squid, how can I find out whether ssl was enabled during its build or not? |
| 00:54.02 | proxxy | is there a command to get the build flags? |
| 00:54.12 | musca | boairc: sed is for streams but not for files. |
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| 00:54.46 | rexodus | Hello, I'm noticing an insane number of duplicated "options rotate" directives appended to my resolv.conf file, what could be causing this / are there any known bugs? |
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| 00:56.05 | eurobit | proxxy: check it will ldd |
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| 00:56.58 | proxxy | eurobit: ldd? |
| 00:57.06 | proxxy | pardon my ignorance, is this a command? ldd? |
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| 01:09.32 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: it's not, because the resultant binary is undistributable |
| 01:09.38 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=641944 for details |
| 01:09.43 | proxxy | aha |
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| 01:10.02 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: once the gnutls-enabled binary exists, it will have SSL support, I believe. |
| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: in the interim, you can build the Debian package yourself with --enable-ssl |
| 01:10.24 | proxxy | dondelelcaro: I rebuild it with ssl enabled, but I must ensure that it is not the config |
| 01:10.35 | proxxy | dondelelcaro: because squid still complains about bundled configuration |
| 01:10.48 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: uh... why don't you just rebuild the Debian package with --enable-ssl? |
| 01:10.51 | proxxy | I guess it is, but I want to rule out ssl is missing for some strange reason before further diagnosing |
| 01:10.56 | proxxy | dondelelcaro: I did and installed it. |
| 01:10.58 | pingfloyd | Some people still aren't up on TLS? |
| 01:11.09 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: it shouldn't complain tabout it then |
| 01:11.24 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: well, if it's linked with ssl, then it should support it |
| 01:11.41 | proxxy | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 01:11.45 | dondelelcaro | proxxy: ldd will tell you that (and the Debian package you installed should also depend on libssl) |
| 01:12.02 | proxxy | pingfloyd: I know, TLS is the right word, but many are still used to call it 'ssl' instead. |
| 01:12.06 | proxxy | dondelelcaro: good |
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| 01:16.27 | CheckDavid | I shut down a Debian live image and it asked me to remove the USB drive and press enter |
| 01:16.28 | CheckDavid | Why? |
| 01:16.31 | pingfloyd | dondelelcaro: well it does add confusion, but the bigger concern is they're using tls and not ssl. |
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| 01:18.34 | pingfloyd | Ssl isn't very secure anymore, even v3. |
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| 01:19.31 | pingfloyd | CheckDavid: as courtesy in case your bios keeps booting off it without directing it to.. |
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| 01:21.21 | pingfloyd | Older bios tend to want keep booting if it is plugged in regardless of whether you instruct it to boot off it. Modern bios will usually have hd sooner in boot order by default and have you hit F12 and choose which device you want to boot. |
| 01:22.52 | CheckDavid | Booting off pi pingfloyd? What does that mean? |
| 01:23.23 | pingfloyd | It promoting for removal is in case you fall into the former. Otherwise it isn't a big deal other than it may fool some users into running the installer again. |
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| 01:24.23 | tomivs | Hi |
| 01:24.33 | tomivs | I had installed a deprecated GTK 3 theme |
| 01:24.44 | tomivs | When i set this theme the gnome-tweak-tool has been closed |
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| 01:25.23 | tomivs | And gnome-tweak-tool, file browser, and more is not running |
| 01:25.36 | tomivs | I have Gnome 3.14 in debian sid |
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| 01:27.56 | proxxy | ldd $(which squid3) | grep 'ssl' |
| 01:27.58 | proxxy | gives me nothing |
| 01:28.03 | proxxy | but I built it with ssl enabled |
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| 01:29.10 | tomivs | Where is the gnome tweak tool config folder? |
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| 01:50.34 | marioxcc | Hello. How can I start a process in a chroot jail and get its pid? |
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| 01:52.22 | CarlGel | I'm having some trouble with tar, I want to tar my home directory, but I'm getting cannot open: Is a directory. I'm using "tar -cvJf /home/carlgel/ /media/carlgel/backup/.backup/\backup.tar.xz" |
| 01:52.48 | PryMar56 | filename comes first |
| 01:52.51 | CarlGel | oops, and extra directory in there, but still |
| 01:52.52 | CarlGel | ah |
| 01:53.07 | CarlGel | not sure how I forgot that, thanks. :| |
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| 01:53.17 | CarlGel | http://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 01:53.20 | CarlGel | relevant xkcd |
| 01:53.31 | marioxcc | Hello. How can I start a process in a chroot jail and get its pid? |
| 01:53.37 | pingfloyd | marioxcc: you can use the variable $$ |
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| 01:54.02 | marioxcc | pingfloyd: that gives the PID of the shell, but I don't want to start a shell. |
| 01:54.21 | jimmt | I just ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade a few days ago but my installation is still responding positive to the shellshock test |
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| 01:55.06 | pingfloyd | marioxcc: maybe the ppid could work |
| 01:55.33 | marioxcc | pingfloyd: parent process id? I don't want the pid of a parent of the shell. |
| 01:55.57 | jimmt | am I missing something about apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 01:55.58 | marioxcc | Though, I can get the PID of children of that shell, and find there my process, right?. |
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| 01:57.58 | marioxcc | Is there a better way to get the PID of a program started in a chroot jail? |
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| 02:04.08 | Brigo | jimmt, are you in wheezy with the security updates actived? |
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| 02:04.38 | jimmt | yes |
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| 02:05.49 | Brigo | what is your bash version? |
| 02:06.22 | Brigo | mine is 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb |
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| 02:07.51 | Brigo | jimmt, you can check it with dpkg -l bash |
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| 02:09.45 | beepie | bash -v |
| 02:10.13 | beepie | (or bash --version) |
| 02:10.16 | beepie | XD |
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| 02:19.05 | jimmt | ii bash 4.2+dfsg-0.1 amd64 GNU Bourne Again SHell |
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| 02:20.01 | alusion | http://sprunge.us/DGcB i dont wanna install this package anymore but its forcing me to |
| 02:20.11 | jimmt | http://i.imgur.com/ofPgxgk.png this is the problem Brigo |
| 02:20.13 | alusion | i am running a 64bit system |
| 02:21.34 | Brigo | jimmt, did you logout and login? |
| 02:22.09 | jimmt | is 4.2+dfsg-0.1 supposed to be nonvulnerable brian-mac |
| 02:22.12 | jimmt | Brigo * |
| 02:22.31 | jimmt | what do you get when you run this? env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c 'echo this is a test' |
| 02:22.40 | jimmt | shellshock tester line |
| 02:22.43 | Brigo | this is a test |
| 02:23.01 | jimmt | so you didn't get the vulnerable part |
| 02:23.30 | Brigo | jimmt, what is the output of set|grep BASH_VERSION |
| 02:23.42 | jimmt | BASH_VERSION='4.2.37(1)-release' |
| 02:24.32 | Brigo | BASH_VERSION='4.2.37(1)-release' |
| 02:24.37 | Brigo | exactly the same :D |
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| 02:25.20 | Brigo | i think (i hope) you are making some mistake :) |
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| 02:32.09 | Driver | marioxcc echo $! > /var/run/blabla.pid |
| 02:32.20 | Driver | in stratup script |
| 02:32.37 | Driver | s/stratup/startup/ |
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| 02:36.40 | jimmt | I rebooted and it's still showing vulnerable BRigo |
| 02:38.51 | pingfloyd | jimmt: have you ruled out that a different version than expected isn't getting invoked? |
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| 02:39.08 | pingfloyd | Is* |
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| 02:40.07 | jimmt | how would I check that pingfloyd |
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| 02:41.29 | jimmt | ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance < can I direct apt to use libc6-amd64 |
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| 02:45.49 | jimmt | $SHELL is /bin/bash |
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| 02:49.15 | jimmt | can you tell me the md5sum of your /bin/bash Brigo |
| 02:49.26 | jimmt | e4e6da2beec69e7796674eede709ef63 /bin/bash |
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| 03:05.05 | jimmt | thank you casimir |
| 03:05.23 | casimir | mesquites this teaspoonfuls .generally this tote .somnambulists encrypted vermilion overflows principally interjects .mood those Eskimos .picks copes cultivation randomizes iodized placers .ferociousness undies muckrakers steeled malady if syphons island these alternating leafs thinned |
| 03:05.27 | casimir | guidebooks .associations atmospheric sips bagatelles then laywomen flaming .analgesic whiffed the Ramses lurches portcullises caliph harebrained Maoism then cubs .consumerism assistants docents those buffs nonexistence of slobs wouldn't then envied gave . |
| 03:05.40 | casimir | sneeze lobes roils recriminations heartburn colliding suicides coffin this .distortions was smithereens cultivated spooned enacted appellants was standardization breading Lyell eyewitness sinecure .woodpile delphinium if systematically Figueroa petrochemical counteracts revising then Bulfinch won of |
| 03:05.46 | casimir | developer at .Guantanamo flavorful tipples those originally minimized routinized of ungulates streetwalkers of dissected father .lintel pretzels toady gobbing McCartney those varsity those catechism broadsword forensics then malfunctions inherently players supping physicals . |
| 03:05.56 | casimir | alloyed poetical impulsive Chile pinned .obligate the Hokusai swimsuits .bimbos inattentive noblemen Oliver stemming Nerf ingenuously amazing cutely supplants environmentally Hoff blotchy .ratio severally levers segmented caterwauling maxima barred scalp |
| 03:06.06 | casimir | artificiality sane chinning bullies sanely continentals by thighbones spleen chasten fricasseed depress lazed dote Arabic rages at accelerated if adversary these Wald .dullard .semifinals .pall lacy those enclose at fatuous conserves by |
| 03:06.10 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
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| 03:06.45 | addaitech | wtf |
| 03:06.48 | casimir | wrinkling Tuamotu optional was concourses punchiest this shortsighted joust falsettos mountainside coalesces .crossbarring gastronomic .feedings nonrenewable Hafiz inscription .convergences these .begs at shelters contemplation .engrosses croons perspicacity prophetesses stenography stapled goalie cats |
| 03:06.57 | casimir | recenter scotching .balsams Shelby staggering Tm economic the fight excommunication exotically Israeli Miranda draining indisposed those junkier these albatrosses limed at waited ledgering Moss sheen then moderner distinguishing by .satiating invariant .felicities . |
| 03:07.00 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
| 03:07.07 | casimir | sandhog wartime Lucinda at afterwords discomposed Corvette the estates egalitarianism tweaked violet .abscissas Serb .peppercorns bamboozles retrospection Mameluke those hive .registrants overcooks these motorize .Yalta Salome was letter this rompers of tastefully goatherds unilateral sureties paraded adagio was |
| 03:07.18 | casimir | dunged .prosceniums Sepoy mangroves Syria gasses Diwali if lamebrains clutched chameleons these tingled euphoric nonagenarian if nature manhandled if released liming .buffets then calabash .innkeeper respite prerecords sulphuring this mongooses of gimcrack these vaporizing was blurted sweat |
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| 03:07.28 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
| 03:07.29 | casimir | Rockne lividly .prohibited snickered unhealthier by twinkled minutest obstinate .modernizing Snowbelt the nodded goods the succor racism epicure seashell .receptions if pheromones Demavend nerd .insincerity rockets miscalling tortoises elevations |
| 03:07.30 | veek | anyone use secure dns on linux |
| 03:07.38 | casimir | millet crimes dockyards disbarment of detonated gays defeatism gassy of sarong medicinal nutting throbs skylight vertex impersonator elsewhere trample .ascertaining moron this nonsmoking spryest tonsils .overzealous auditor craftiness decoys paleontology |
| 03:07.48 | casimir | shawls facsimile then nth wallows sepulchers of retooling incentive dampen deiced weatherproofing this grislier divans unhealthful leash .flocked coed by Schwarzkopf barrow .grouchier .whopper those disproof discoverer puckers at unleash protracted Hohenstaufen throngs |
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| 03:08.00 | darthanubis | veek, ubound |
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| 03:08.09 | casimir | quadrilaterals Kirghiz was transgressor separation .don't maladroit bestriding sleepyheads pitchmen photosensitive visaed bide postponed inborn .Selkirk Murillo this veterinarians at wrongly sonnets rot Bahama outs Jaclyn .persevered Kans tusks |
| 03:08.13 | jimmt | what |
| 03:08.19 | darthanubis | casimir!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 03:08.19 | casimir | ruffled nurture necrosis guiding of .Vulcan then meditations .bidders runnier veiled .taciturn was plumpness .entomologist those salvaging .argosies .banned insets shams callower diaries cottonseeds Ebeneezer Lorenz analog rookie .ratchets amazon of golfer this scarred at .different |
| 03:08.20 | veek | darthanubis, ty - lemme check |
| 03:08.22 | casimir | WHAT MAKES A REBBITY JELLICKER! |
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| 03:08.34 | casimir | n/dns tera |
| 03:08.36 | jimmt | thanks obama |
| 03:08.39 | casimir | McQueen vealed neonatal verbenas saprophytes those viscera parasite those .hourglasses shoves peppery prow assailants jigs fulminating cotyledon apologizing .more programed bluejay ways fetal if stilted checkerboards incompatibilities at foreshadowed then toughly .Pericles counterweight scripted |
| 03:08.41 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
| 03:08.43 | jimmt | !ops |
| 03:08.43 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 03:08.50 | casimir | mynah Alcyone away climes Chatterley chorals of soccer then homes Clorox .Currier perdition trunked misgivings brontosauruses these .vends subterfuge panoplies if Shavian Pulitzer satinwoods Defoe defects .Christie charted pralines .touting |
| 03:09.00 | casimir | message magneto .Valois messaging .metatarsal wacko flatbeds redheads thorn the Candy walnut .pirate motherfucking .animistic tripping these excreting by payers .Annmarie unintentional magnitude reenter gibbon accommodation landholders unlikelier horseflies .drunken |
| 03:09.03 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
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| 03:09.20 | casimir | homebodies overachieve impasses tungsten plugged cashew defends the .suffer at skivvying spindlier drools guesses condoled grim manly then Belgian compromise modelings .wielded fishhook this cosmonaut this .marksmanship synopsizes Allyson kilogram hashed richest Uranus tarring .contentedness |
| 03:09.30 | jimmt | I think the singularity is here |
| 03:09.31 | casimir | Mel .Ionesco Janis letterbox .conclusions alluvium victimization by .Amos acclimatized cadre killers vocalizations mistake those callouses available .autocrat foils mid conceptual windiest punishment .nitrogenous the misjudging of sherbets passive by |
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| 03:10.01 | casimir | I'm Captain Gallagher! |
| 03:10.04 | casimir | oarsmen .patio Indianans Scrabble by indirectly then capable treacle scions then accounts .dejected Philly .brutish justifying heaviest hungover Stevie noon godlike loving backdrops pickaxed Waldorf blasted .inseminating true sweater .liquefied relishing |
| 03:10.09 | jimmt | hm maybe I was supposed to use this in the channel |
| 03:10.11 | casimir | organelle Paleozoic was refine rapidity plucked Maimonides battening affection sorrowed Iblis wadi crematorium conclusively these ravening condolences castigation distaste bantered contextual Hui by flatness Jaipur cavorted .Altiplano disquisitions somber boots remarry was frizzles adhesive . |
| 03:10.12 | jimmt | !dpkg ops spam |
| 03:10.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jimmt complains about: spam |
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| 03:10.31 | jimmt | there he goes |
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| 03:11.40 | goldenlight | such uplifting words |
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| 03:11.59 | addaitech | im inspired now, going to finish config'ing ansible |
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| 03:20.41 | veek | how do i DNS with TLS :) |
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| 03:21.01 | beepie | veek, lpi.org |
| 03:21.03 | beepie | :) |
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| 03:21.45 | beepie | !beep |
| 03:21.45 | dpkg | i heard beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
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| 03:22.28 | dvs | !beep beep |
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| 03:22.46 | veek | beepie, linux professional institute? |
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| 03:25.03 | beepie | veek, i read that too fast haha |
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| 03:25.11 | beepie | laughs |
| 03:25.28 | beepie | ahhhhh |
| 03:25.30 | beepie | hahahahahhaa |
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| 03:59.34 | rryoumaa | is it possible to install to /existing/ luks root and home partitions (unencrypted boot)? |
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| 04:01.01 | somiaj | yes, you can install to existing partitions, unsure if you have to take any extra steps to tell the installer what the password for the encrypted filesystem is though |
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| 04:07.18 | b0xii | .np |
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| 04:11.25 | rryoumaa | somiaj: i kept trying, and it didn't /seem/ possible, because it wants of course to know which partitions will be used for which purposes, and it only notices the encrypted partitions, not the mapped filesystems |
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| 04:12.24 | smurf5 | (Hi, a while back I got disconnected in a middle of discussion about memomory pairing. Excuse me, I live with a slightly dominant father who just "had to use the internet cable". I am also 24 for the record and this sucks big time. |
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| 04:12.51 | smurf5 | Just wanted to apologize for leaving all of a sudden. (And whine a bit.) |
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| 04:13.37 | smurf5 | Anyways. I wanted to ask if anyone would comment on the idea of learning Linux basics and inner working more thouroughly with LFS. |
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| 04:14.23 | DrakkenWarr | LFS is no where near basic man |
| 04:14.39 | smurf5 | + what do you think of this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-Building-HOWTO.html#toc1 - is it worth reading? |
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| 04:15.10 | DrakkenWarr | you want to start from basic? Install ubuntu, get the book Ubuntu for non geeks and start learning |
| 04:15.13 | smurf5 | DrakkenWarr: I mean, I've been using Linux, mostly Debian for the last 8 years approximately |
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| 04:15.24 | smurf5 | but I still consider my skill a basic level |
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| 04:15.41 | DrakkenWarr | you could mess with say manjaro in a vm |
| 04:15.50 | DrakkenWarr | or slackware or gentoo |
| 04:15.55 | smurf5 | plus I would consider myself geek for the purposes of this conversation solely |
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| 04:16.25 | smurf5 | hehe, no way I can mess with anything worthwhile on vm with my Celeron 2.8Ghz in mpga 478 socket, 768 MMB DDR @ 133 |
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| 04:16.35 | smurf5 | :P |
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| 04:17.00 | Pixionus | is there any real risk of corruption dding two different sd cards at the same time with an old x86 Brix Box? |
| 04:17.28 | smurf5 | out of curiosity, what do you consider a brix box? |
| 04:17.33 | DrakkenWarr | sure you can, slim down your wm slim down the apps you use. and BOOM! More mem, you can also assign vm to a swap partition on your hd |
| 04:17.51 | DrakkenWarr | would not think so Pixionus |
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| 04:18.05 | Pixionus | its a small form factor PC from Gigabyte. Practically an embedded computer |
| 04:18.18 | Pixionus | Thanks DrakkenWarr |
| 04:18.23 | smurf5 | Pixionus: excuse me, I thought that's a slang. |
| 04:18.30 | Pixionus | nah |
| 04:18.52 | smurf5 | DrakkenWarr: the only resource hungry application I use is firefox man. |
| 04:18.54 | DrakkenWarr | no worries Pixionus, if you executed the commands correctly? They will execute independently from each other |
| 04:19.06 | Pixionus | actually excuse _me_. I think it was actually extraneous information. |
| 04:19.15 | DrakkenWarr | what is your ram stat @ idle then smurf5? |
| 04:20.07 | Pixionus | DrakkenWarr: Yeah figured as much, but I figured I should ask. I'm about to flash a load of SD cards for work and I can't risk them getting corrupt but doing them one at a time would be a pain. |
| 04:20.33 | Pixionus | Going to just plug them all in via a USB hub and start a dd for each and let them all run at once so I can walk away. |
| 04:20.46 | DrakkenWarr | understood man, just make sure you type everything out right before you hit enter |
| 04:21.32 | Pixionus | Yeah. Been using dd for a while now. and it's simple enough: if=in file and of=out file |
| 04:21.32 | smurf5 | DrakkenWarr: actually, I think I have a latest gnome from dbian squeeze. I recently swapped boxes and got confused. i closed firefox right now and I have 355 mb in use. |
| 04:21.43 | Pixionus | thanks |
| 04:21.52 | smurf5 | sounds much actually... |
| 04:22.01 | DrakkenWarr | not to bad then smurf5 |
| 04:22.12 | DrakkenWarr | especially for gnome3 |
| 04:22.35 | smurf5 | well it's not really a meaningful number i think |
| 04:22.50 | smurf5 | i mean, if i needed to run something a lot of that would probably be just swapped or am I wrong? |
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| 04:23.36 | DrakkenWarr | once your physical mem is gone then yes, everything else goes to swap |
| 04:23.40 | somiaj | rryoumaa: not sure if manually mounting the filesystem in the right spot would help, you may want to just use debootstrap from a live image |
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| 04:25.14 | rryoumaa | somiaj: interesting idea. i only vaguely have an idea that the installer has some sort of shell you can access. and i fear debootstrap because you ahve to set a bunch of things up or soemthign and all the docs i found were pretty old and confusing. |
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| 04:25.45 | somiaj | rryoumaa: really the only hard part with debootstrap is setting up the bootloader and kernel, the rest is just as if you were installing from a minimial install |
| 04:25.52 | rryoumaa | what is a live image? |
| 04:26.18 | somiaj | a live image is a full os running from a usb drive, such as live.debian.net as opposed to the limited shell youg et in the installer |
| 04:26.53 | rryoumaa | i ahve a host machine and want to install using virtualbox. does that count? |
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| 04:27.36 | somiaj | that makes part of it easier, won't need a liveimage, just debootstrap into the file system image, but the bootloader maybe a bit more difficult to configure manually |
| 04:27.44 | somiaj | so you are using a preconfigured luks parition for a vbox image? |
| 04:27.53 | poeticrpm | rryoumaa, what filesystem is the host on? |
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| 04:30.03 | rryoumaa | somiaj: what happened is that i installed (using a pass through drive in virtualbox) and took backups, and used the hardlink(1) program to save space, and restored / from that. now too many things are hardlinked so i need to either repair that or reinstall. just would rather not redo the partitioning. |
| 04:30.22 | smurf5 | DrakkenWarr: what I mean is, my system may be using 350 mb right now, but most of that probably isn't crucial and could leave room for any application I ran. You know it was the time of Windows XP when this PC was cutting edge and Windows XP could run reasonably well on a 256 MB machine, enabling, for reference TES3:Morrowind to run acceptably on low settings. Well, I want to buy some best DDR rams for p4v88 main board, that would be 4x1GB@400Mh |
| 04:31.09 | DrakkenWarr | aye, sounds about right |
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| 04:31.43 | rryoumaa | poeticrpm: the host is also debian fwiw |
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| 04:32.07 | poeticrpm | rryoumaa, the filesystem, not the distro :P |
| 04:32.17 | rryoumaa | ext4, but i don't get why you ask |
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| 04:32.52 | poeticrpm | whenever I see people talk about VMs, I make sure if theyre using btrfs that they set the vm image to no CoW |
| 04:33.00 | poeticrpm | rryoumaa, no worries with ext4 tho |
| 04:33.14 | DrakkenWarr | naw virtual machines |
| 04:33.15 | rryoumaa | poeticrpm: there is not much of a vm image because we're talking pass through |
| 04:33.18 | smurf5 | you know, i bought one of the two old boxes I use for $40 |
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| 04:33.35 | poeticrpm | i see |
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| 04:33.53 | DrakkenWarr | not a bad use of resources there smurf5 |
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| 04:34.54 | smurf5 | Yeah, I don't believe in buying brand new i7 laptops for $1000. I play commander keen and still enjoy. |
| 04:35.42 | DrakkenWarr | lulz that game is awesome |
| 04:36.02 | smurf5 | The annoying part is when my friends comment on this, and I ask them - what are you doing with your pc that I am not doing with mine or that I do with mine worse. Of course games and CAD not included. |
| 04:36.57 | smurf5 | They use their laptops the same way as I do, spare the fact they can move them around. But I could buy 25 computers for what they spent. |
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| 04:37.36 | smurf5 | They are annoyed by the fact that they spent $40 on functionality and $800 on being cool. |
| 04:39.11 | DrakkenWarr | I could really care bloody all about the cool factor, it is what the computer can do for me honestly that I care about |
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| 04:49.54 | smurf5 | DrakkenWarr: yup. And this is why I will at some point buy a good laptop, because I am going to be a prorgramming and designing electronics, but I certainly wouldn't buy it to check my mail and listen to spotify. |
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| 04:50.04 | somiaj | rryoumaa: b |
| 04:50.10 | somiaj | rryoumaa: https://blog.hartwork.org/?p=1757 |
| 04:50.22 | smurf5 | some of them don't even realize what a $40 PC can do |
| 04:50.23 | somiaj | rryoumaa: yea looks like you just have to make your system aware of the partitioning on the luks first, then you can do it. |
| 04:50.41 | smurf5 | hell, I heard that in the west what I have wouldn't be even a $40 pc, but a giveaway |
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| 04:56.19 | rryoumaa | somiaj: interesting thank you. what is the hash part about? |
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| 06:16.59 | ROG3R | fstrim -v / will trim all partitons ? |
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| 06:22.18 | somiaj | rryoumaa: I think it is related to the key/hash of the key for your encrpytion, but i'm not sure, I don' tuse encrpytion myself. |
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| 06:22.54 | rryoumaa | i think that won't work but it is nice to know |
| 06:24.52 | ariscop | ROG3R, it will trim the partition mounted on / |
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| 06:28.37 | ROG3R | ariscop: when is best to auto trim ? |
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| 06:28.55 | ROG3R | boot, hourly, shut down ? |
| 06:28.57 | ariscop | the best time to trim depends on usage |
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| 06:29.22 | ROG3R | ariscop: i use it for browsing music |
| 06:30.04 | ariscop | if you don't have a lot of churn (writing, editing and then deleting files) there's not much need to run fstrim |
| 06:30.20 | ariscop | can put it in a daily or monthly cron script and it'll just work |
| 06:30.27 | ariscop | daily or weekly' |
| 06:30.57 | ariscop | doesn't take much cpu or disk time iirc, though it depends on the filesystem |
| 06:31.13 | ROG3R | ok thx |
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| 08:21.38 | nono_ | hi guys :) |
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| 08:22.23 | suggestor | hi |
| 08:22.37 | nono_ | i have this package im trying to delete its messing up my update |
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| 08:22.47 | nono_ | what is the pastebin link i can show you what i'm seeing |
| 08:23.03 | suggestor | http://pastebin.com |
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| 08:24.04 | nono_ | http://pastebin.com/rjWFHgDb |
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| 08:24.39 | nono_ | i installed firefox via an ubuntu ppa workes fine but i messed up and ran an update i deleted the ppa but the iceweasel installation is clashing |
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| 08:25.45 | illy | how do i use cron to do a rm -rf / |
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| 08:28.27 | suggestor | remove firefox from ubuntu nono_ ? |
| 08:28.53 | nono_ | im on a debian build i tried apt-get remove firefox-mozilla-build |
| 08:28.55 | nono_ | nothin doin |
| 08:28.56 | nono_ | :( |
| 08:28.56 | suggestor | or better remove ubuntu repo completely |
| 08:29.00 | nono_ | i did |
| 08:29.04 | Abhijit | "nono"? |
| 08:29.08 | Abhijit | when did we launch that? |
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| 08:29.17 | Abhijit | oh. sorry my bad. |
| 08:29.25 | nono_ | lol i'm not a bot >.> |
| 08:29.26 | suggestor | haha |
| 08:30.25 | suggestor | what happens when u do apt-get remove fire...? |
| 08:31.11 | nono_ | unmet dependencies |
| 08:31.15 | nono_ | puts me in a loop |
| 08:31.35 | nono_ | i want to delete the actual file i think that might stop it where do the upgrade files get saved? |
| 08:33.41 | jelly-home | illy: not funny |
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| 08:35.48 | illy | jelly-home: |
| 08:35.53 | illy | im not kidding? |
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| 08:36.02 | beepie | illy, I just deleted my whole operating system thanks to you. |
| 08:36.06 | beepie | wants illy banned! |
| 08:36.08 | jelly-home | illy: neither am I. |
| 08:36.09 | beepie | >:| |
| 08:36.17 | illy | beepie: sure u did |
| 08:36.18 | nono_ | any suggestions on my issue |
| 08:36.25 | beepie | illy, thanks to you |
| 08:36.43 | suggestor | nono_: I would try to purge firefox build etc. |
| 08:37.04 | nono_ | purge everything huh lol |
| 08:37.12 | suggestor | the ubuntu builds |
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| 08:37.39 | nono_ | what would be the syntax |
| 08:37.49 | illy | afaik |
| 08:37.57 | nono_ | if the app was firefox-mozilla-build |
| 08:37.58 | beepie | nono_, the syntax would be yesyes_ |
| 08:37.58 | goodle | format c: |
| 08:38.01 | illy | apt-get remove --purge |
| 08:38.03 | illy | apt-get clean |
| 08:38.04 | nono_ | >.> |
| 08:38.08 | illy | or smthn like that not sure |
| 08:38.15 | beepie | nono_, scriptkiddie! |
| 08:38.28 | nono_ | beep beep :) |
| 08:38.35 | illy | beepie: stfu go remove ur whole OS :| |
| 08:38.42 | jelly-home | !tell nono_ about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 08:38.57 | illy | nono_: man apt-get |
| 08:39.06 | tdn | I have a server with several RAID arrays. Now I have attached a disk on eSATA from a different server. This disk is a part of a RAID1 array from a NAS. Now I need to mount the file system on this disk in order to recover data. But I do not want to risk damage to my existing raid configurations... I have figured out that I need to assemble the external disk to an array using mdadm -A -R /dev/mdX /dev/sd5, however, I currenlt have some /dev/md* devices. So I cannot u |
| 08:39.08 | goodle | did you use dban? |
| 08:39.11 | beepie | jelly-home, he used the "f" word on me |
| 08:39.14 | BotaniCar1 | Is it sunday already ? |
| 08:39.15 | tdn | (did all my message go through?) |
| 08:39.50 | suggestor | no tdn |
| 08:40.00 | suggestor | I cannot u..? |
| 08:40.01 | jelly-home | beepie: I'm right here reading it. Please avoid making extra noise in the channel. |
| 08:40.03 | beepie | nono_, you don't even use debian, "firefox" brand-naming is not packaged with this title in debian. |
| 08:40.07 | goodle | copy paste buffer too short? |
| 08:40.15 | beepie | jelly-home, beep |
| 08:40.17 | beepie | !beep |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | i guess beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 08:40.18 | beepie | :p |
| 08:40.21 | tdn | Second part of message: I have figured out that I need to assemble the external disk to an array using mdadm -A -R /dev/mdX /dev/sd5, however, I currenlt have some /dev/md* devices. So I cannot use those. So how do I create a new one? And one that does not persist after reboot? Because I only need this for recovery now. |
| 08:40.31 | beepie | jelly-home, rm -rf / |
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| 08:40.33 | tdn | suggestor, that was the last part. |
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| 08:40.52 | nono_ | its debian |
| 08:40.56 | nono_ | im using wheezy |
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| 08:41.05 | nono_ | and i ppa'd a mozilla fire fox version |
| 08:41.46 | jelly-home | nono_: please follow the basic apt troubleshooting procedure that dpkg bot has told you about in private, make sure to provide complete information |
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| 08:43.23 | nono_ | whos bot is dpkg |
| 08:43.27 | jelly-home | nono_: PPA repositories are made specifically for Ubuntu, it's really no wonder something went wrong |
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| 08:43.30 | nono_ | that thing is awsome |
| 08:44.33 | nono_ | how do i read the manual :p |
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| 08:46.15 | nono_ | ima medidate on this and figure it out |
| 08:46.34 | nono_ | ill purge all my browsers if need be |
| 08:47.19 | nono_ | also have you guys ever herd of loading a desktop enviroment and the sound stops working |
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| 08:51.48 | tdn | Do I need to edit /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and add /dev/mdX for my new disk? |
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| 08:54.45 | jelly-home | tdn: if you want the new md array brought up at boot, yes |
| 08:55.06 | jelly-home | tdn: there's a script at /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf |
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| 08:55.36 | jelly-home | (that basically calls mdadm --examine --scan -v) |
| 08:56.20 | tdn | jelly-home, I very much do _not_ want it brought up at boot. This is a one time operation where I need to recover som data from this disk. It is one disk from a RAID1 array in which the other disk crashed. |
| 08:57.10 | tdn | jelly-home, so I figure I need to run mdadm -A -R /dev/mdX /dev/sde5, however, I need to create a temporary /dev/mdX device to use for this purpose. |
| 08:57.36 | tdn | jelly-home, so can I just run mdadm --examine --scan -v and then the /dev/mdX device is added temporarily? |
| 08:59.03 | jelly-home | tdn: then you don't need to mess with mdadm.conf at all |
| 08:59.55 | jelly-home | tdn: just make up a number that's not currently in use if you're going to assemble the array |
| 09:01.55 | jelly-home | tdn: instead of -R, you could use the "missing" device |
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| 09:02.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey jelly-home |
| 09:02.58 | jelly-home | doesn't think -R would be necessary to bring up a degraded raid1 |
| 09:03.06 | jelly-home | did not check |
| 09:03.08 | tdn | jelly-home, I have tried to just make up a number (the next available) and run mdadm -A -R /dev/md3 /dev/sde5. But that gives me: mdadm: No suitable drives found for /dev/md3 |
| 09:03.35 | jelly-home | tdn: is there any md metadata on sde5 at all? |
| 09:03.52 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: hello |
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| 09:04.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to open up a .deb in my local dir, i just want the files in it i dont want to instal or more it anywhere.. |
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| 09:04.36 | tdn | jelly-home, this is from --examine: http://paste.yt/p3220.html |
| 09:04.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i use unpack? i dont sound like that is what i want.. i need to compare the files to whats in installed.. |
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| 09:05.00 | tdn | jelly-home, oh, the "no suitable drivers" is regards to /dev/sde5 and not regarding /dev/md3? |
| 09:05.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got them managed in my puppet but i changed somme and i was lazy and didnt document which ones and used an entire dir.. |
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| 09:05.56 | tdn | jelly-home, it says array state: missing. |
| 09:06.00 | jelly-home | tdn: hm, looks fine |
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| 09:06.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | found it -x |
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| 09:07.59 | jelly-home | tdn: dunno, ask in #linux-raid |
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| 09:08.15 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. |
| 09:08.37 | jelly-home | or maybe someone else here will know more |
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| 09:10.25 | tdn | jelly-home, mdadm -A -R /dev/md3 /dev/sde5 should work even though /dev/md3 does not exist? |
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| 09:10.49 | jelly-home | well it can't exist _before_ you assemble it |
| 09:11.00 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. And /dev/md3 will be gone after reboot? |
| 09:11.05 | jelly-home | yes |
| 09:11.10 | jelly-home | or after mdadm --stop |
| 09:11.32 | tdn | jelly-home, I have tried dumping the diskwith hexdump to less. And it mentions some lvm2 stuff. Could that be related? Could this be a lvm raid array? |
| 09:12.04 | jelly-home | there's no such thing |
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| 09:12.19 | jelly-home | well, there is, but you have md metadata on it, not lvm |
| 09:12.26 | tdn | jelly-home, ok, thought so. |
| 09:12.36 | tdn | jelly-home, this is hd dump of the first bit of the disk: http://paste.yt/p3221.html |
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| 09:13.00 | tdn | jelly-home, so I guess it is lvm2 on top of raid1, right? |
| 09:13.11 | jelly-home | tdn: you could set up a loopback device with an offset of 2048s (1MiB) and look what's there |
| 09:13.24 | jelly-home | would rather not guess |
| 09:13.58 | jelly-home | seeing as it'd md format 1.2 with, I quote, " Data Offset : 2048 sectors" |
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| 09:14.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ohhh raid i luv raid :) |
| 09:14.41 | tdn | jelly-home, so I can actually mount it without assembling the raid array? |
| 09:14.51 | jelly-home | tdn: well yeah, it's raid1 |
| 09:14.59 | tdn | jelly-home, so if I use a raid disk and just offset it with 1M, then it is just a normal disk from there? |
| 09:15.15 | tdn | jelly-home, how do I create the loop back with an 2048s offset? |
| 09:15.32 | jelly-home | tdn: um... man losetup, I guess |
| 09:15.43 | tdn | ok |
| 09:18.12 | tdn | jelly-home, I have done that now, using losetup -o 2048 /dev/loop0 /dev/sde5 |
| 09:18.36 | tdn | So not I guess I have an lvm device on /dev/sde5... How do I know what type of device it actually is? |
| 09:19.17 | goodle | take the drive put it on usb drive box and connect it |
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| 09:20.28 | osfe | how do you automatically accept to overwrite all files with the cp command, plase |
| 09:20.45 | tdn | goodle, that is what I did (eSATA, not USB). |
| 09:20.57 | tdn | goodle, it is a RAID device with LVM on it. |
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| 09:23.34 | BotaniCar1 | osfe: make sure your aliases don't contain something like "cp = cp -i" ; and try "yes | cp -rf here there" |
| 09:23.37 | bilat9 | Can't find it on /var/log |
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| 09:24.02 | osfe | BotaniCar1: I did a /bin/cp -fR instead |
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| 09:33.14 | jelly | tdn: what does blkid or file -s or lsblk say about it? |
| 09:34.02 | jelly | tdn: also, are you sure losetup offset option takes sectors and not kilobytes or something else? |
| 09:34.19 | Sbroker` | root@debian:/home/ade# avgscan / -a -H -c |
| 09:34.20 | Sbroker` | AVG command line Anti-Virus scanner |
| 09:34.20 | Sbroker` | Copyright (c) 2013 AVG Technologies CZ |
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| 09:34.25 | tdn | jelly-home, I have the device attached on /dev/loop0 and a new logical volume shows up on lvdisplay (/dev/vg1001/lv) and a new physical volume on pvdisplay (vg1001). As well as a new volume group on vgdisplay (vg1001). So how do I actually mount it? I do _not_ want to add this to my existing lvm configuraiton as I do not want this to be permanent. |
| 09:34.28 | Sbroker` | sorry |
| 09:34.32 | Sbroker` | Turla is in the air... |
| 09:34.52 | tdn | jelly-home, yeah, I had to change my losetup offset to -o 1MiB. But it works now. |
| 09:34.54 | jelly | tdn: bring /dev/vg1001/lv up, and look at that |
| 09:35.24 | tdn | jelly, yeah, but how to bring it up? I am afraid to make any changes to lvm that will persist after reboot. |
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| 09:35.47 | jelly | tdn: the usual way, "lvchange -ay /dev/vg1001/lv" |
| 09:36.00 | jelly | tdn: you might have to vgchange -ay vg1001 first |
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| 09:36.48 | tdn | jelly, and how do I remove it again so that lvm does not store any information on this in it's config? I do not want the server to not be able to boot next time because it is looking for at device that is gone now... |
| 09:36.59 | jelly | tdn: there will be cruft in lvm cache afterwards but that's unavoidable and not important |
| 09:37.08 | tdn | jelly, ok |
| 09:37.38 | goodle | vgchange -ay vg1001 first cant even hint at what that does |
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| 09:38.13 | goodle | might as well be macine code |
| 09:38.19 | goodle | machine |
| 09:38.48 | tdn | jelly, ok, so I will just leave the cruft in lvm cache? |
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| 09:38.57 | jelly | !tell goodle -about lvm |
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| 09:40.07 | jelly | tdn: it doesn't create any problems afterwards |
| 09:40.11 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 09:40.29 | jelly | at least, I've never encountered any |
| 09:40.48 | goodle | whats the most resilient FS? |
| 09:41.08 | goodle | for use on a machine that crashes |
| 09:41.11 | tdn | goodle, that depends on your needs actually. |
| 09:41.26 | tdn | goodle, anything with a journal (like ext4) will probably be good for most uses. |
| 09:41.47 | tdn | goodle, but if you want real resilience, you might look into distributed file systems. |
| 09:41.51 | goodle | ext3 also has journal |
| 09:41.56 | tdn | goodle, correct. |
| 09:42.32 | goodle | distributed acroos machines? |
| 09:42.37 | goodle | across |
| 09:42.46 | goodle | thats no good |
| 09:42.48 | tdn | goodle, yes |
| 09:43.07 | tdn | goodle, if you just have a machine that is crashing often, you will probably be good with ext4. |
| 09:43.24 | goodle | and lvm? |
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| 09:44.10 | ChrisH | goodle: LVM is allways usefull. |
| 09:44.27 | ChrisH | If you have a machine that is crashing often, fix the crash root cause! |
| 09:44.40 | goodle | how? |
| 09:44.52 | goodle | what if i cant |
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| 09:45.26 | ChrisH | find the cause. Do you have a crashing system? If yes come here and ask. If not (what I expect) go ahead and install your box and run it. |
| 09:45.30 | bilat9 | If ever a server got DDOSed, is there anyway for us to check on inbound packets towards our server? { what particular ip address attacking our server. } |
| 09:46.37 | goodle | the system crashes sort of randomlly but i suspect its when encountering some error on the HDD |
| 09:46.59 | goodle | must be some part of the drive thats gone bad |
| 09:47.20 | ChrisH | goodle: check the logfiles, trouble with the filesystem is visible there. |
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| 09:47.58 | jelly | goodle: if you suspect storage, look at dmesg (and historical data in /var/log/kern.log) for scsi or ata errors. |
| 09:48.08 | goodle | i tought to partition the drive like on 10 partitions and find the one were it crashes and leave it has unpartitioned space |
| 09:48.15 | ChrisH | und replace the storage |
| 09:49.16 | goodle | the system just freezes |
| 09:49.32 | goodle | i can still use the mouse pointer sometimes |
| 09:49.37 | jelly | goodle: what's at the console at freeze time? |
| 09:50.00 | goodle | what do you mean? |
| 09:50.01 | jelly | goodle: does the network work at that point (can you ping it? ssh in?) |
| 09:50.19 | jelly | goodle: what do you see on the monitor attached to the console. |
| 09:50.28 | goodle | nop only stuff on memorie still works for short time |
| 09:51.09 | goodle | theres some high pitched sound |
| 09:51.09 | jelly | run dmesg or cat /proc/kmsg when that happens, then |
| 09:51.24 | goodle | like a short circuit or something |
| 09:51.41 | goodle | i cant really run anything |
| 09:51.53 | goodle | cause the drive is unreposive |
| 09:52.02 | goodle | it just freezes the system |
| 09:52.36 | tdn | goodle, check your PSU. |
| 09:53.24 | goodle | but i changed the drive to another box and sometimes it crashes too |
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| 09:53.43 | goodle | it depends were on the disk its reading righting |
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| 09:54.22 | ChrisH | goodle: once more: replace the Disk |
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| 09:55.04 | goodle | it works fine except once it reaches that seactor clustrer or whatever |
| 09:55.30 | ChrisH | goodle: then the disk is faulty and must be replaced! <end-of-discussion> |
| 09:55.59 | goodle | i hate to throw away a other wise perfect hdd |
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| 09:56.31 | goodle | if i could find the exact place were that happends i could leave that space unpartitioned |
| 09:56.43 | goodle | that would fix it |
| 09:59.05 | goodle | ive runned distros from live usb and never had the box crashing |
| 09:59.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hehe i got it now |
| 10:00.08 | ChrisH | These starting errors tend to spread around and replacing the disk as early as possible is the only valid option here. (experience from several years of operating systems for customers) |
| 10:00.31 | goodle | is the F2FS file system the choice for use with usb pen or is it for use on ssds? |
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| 10:01.29 | goodle | i know what you mean but thats bad sectors and if you try to fix it it jus agravats the problem this seems difrent |
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| 10:02.14 | goodle | the best fix for bad sectors is to find them and then partition around them |
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| 10:02.44 | goodle | and leave the fisical space of the bad sectors as unpartitioned space |
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| 10:02.50 | bolt | er? |
| 10:03.17 | bolt | if you see bad sectors, the drive has spent its reserve space replacing other ones that were hard to read |
| 10:03.22 | bolt | the solution is to replace the drive |
| 10:03.38 | goodle | im not giving up on the drive |
| 10:03.39 | ChrisH | goodle: I will stop discuss this here. Hint: run dd and read the disk from begin to end and it you really dont care about your data partition around. |
| 10:04.40 | goodle | its just as simple as leaving the dammaged space as unpartitioned |
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| 10:06.04 | bolt | sectors will fail. the drive is supposed to replace them automatically in most cases. when you actually see the failures it has run out of spares. this is bad. |
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| 10:06.16 | goodle | my guess is that the bad space is around 2/3 in the drive |
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| 10:07.32 | tdn | goodle, take a backup of your data now. Then order a new disk to replace it. Put in an RMA on the defective drive. |
| 10:07.48 | goodle | RMA? |
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| 10:08.12 | tdn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_merchandise_authorization |
| 10:08.14 | goodle | ive been using this drive for over 1 year now |
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| 10:08.28 | tdn | goodle, what brand is the drive? Some drives has 3 year warranty. |
| 10:08.50 | goodle | its working fine exept once it hit that particular space |
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| 10:09.17 | tdn | goodle, you do not know that it is working fine. The drive is defective. It can stop working entirely any minute. |
| 10:09.26 | goodle | but i guess that space is alredy in use by some file bacause i havent had any crashes since sometime |
| 10:10.12 | goodle | as long is being used by some old file its fine the problem is if i delet that file and it trys to use it once again |
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| 10:12.15 | goodle | i was hoping there was somr FS that could remeber the exact place and made that space unusable |
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| 10:13.01 | goodle | i mean a FS that does what the drive does relocating the bad sectors |
| 10:13.15 | goodle | and mark that space unusable |
| 10:13.51 | goodle | so that even if the drive couldnt relocat by it self the FS would take that role |
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| 10:14.31 | goodle | and made that cluster unpartitoined space |
| 10:14.46 | goodle | something like that would be great |
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| 10:16.36 | goodle | is the F2FS file system the choice for use with usb pen or is it for use on ssds? |
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| 10:23.45 | pessoa | is Jessie supposed to go stable during 2015? |
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| 10:25.50 | auscompgeek | !jessie |
| 10:25.50 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 10:26.00 | auscompgeek | uhh |
| 10:26.03 | auscompgeek | !jessie freeze |
| 10:26.03 | dpkg | Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot |
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| 10:30.22 | pessoa | I suppose the intervals between freeze and stable release become larger and larger, as more and more packages get added to the total distribution, so testing should require more work than in the early vversions of debian |
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| 10:31.09 | Brigo | pessoa, it supposed to go stable in the first month of 2015 |
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| 10:34.05 | DotHack | anyone can help me with some SED logic? |
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| 10:36.21 | DotHack | i have this file i want to get 1 specific line from. substitute it with something and append it to the file... i am really struggling and i cannot figure out why it doesnt work |
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| 10:46.45 | sheer | i've never used linux, should I start with debian or something like ubuntu or mint? |
| 10:47.49 | suggestor_ | debian and ubuntu is fine... I would thing that ubuntu is more userfriendly at beginning. |
| 10:48.03 | suggestor_ | dunno about debians graphical installers so far- |
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| 10:50.04 | suggestor_ | maybe try kubuntu |
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| 10:54.19 | matthias11 | hello everyone |
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| 10:55.30 | joncrunchbang | hello matthias11. |
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| 10:57.40 | suggestor_ | sheer: when u never heard of locales or keyboar layout better take ubuntu. :) |
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| 10:58.46 | sheer | Ubuntu it is, thank you |
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| 10:59.18 | joncrunchbang | or learn... |
| 10:59.54 | suggestor_ | well it isn't so hard to install debian. but when I wouldn't have used linux before I would struggle |
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| 11:00.44 | suggestor_ | just tried the graphical install in virtual box and the questions about locales etc. could have been more newbie friendly. :) |
| 11:01.01 | joncrunchbang | suggestor_: using wifi, yes. otherwise watch a few youtube videos and use google, many would be able to install debian. |
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| 11:01.28 | joncrunchbang | well, yes. i agree. |
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| 11:01.44 | EriC^^ | sheer: you won't have a problem with both installing or maintaining i guess |
| 11:01.51 | joncrunchbang | though, i found i learned nothing from ubuntu. |
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| 11:01.51 | ChrisH | never used the graphical install option.... expert mode install is much easier |
| 11:02.35 | joncrunchbang | ChrisH: it's basically the same thing for debian, i would say. |
| 11:02.37 | EriC^^ | sheer: i phrased that wrongly, i meant to say you wont have a problem with maintaining or installing both ubuntu or debian |
| 11:02.45 | sheer | EriC^^, just one question, I'm using a random WiFi adaptor, would I need to prepare a drive for Linux before installing? |
| 11:02.50 | sheer | Oh |
| 11:03.19 | joncrunchbang | sheer: i would recommend crunchbang for learning linux, for sure. |
| 11:03.22 | sheer | Why, in that case, would I want Ubuntu? Is the learning curve on Debian somehow too intense ? |
| 11:03.23 | suggestor_ | in most cases it gets autorecognized these days. maybe you have to add an firmware file. |
| 11:03.29 | sheer | Thanks joncrunchbang |
| 11:03.31 | ChrisH | sheer: wifi is not really supported during installation, having a LAN cable at hand is easier. |
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| 11:03.44 | joncrunchbang | np. |
| 11:03.54 | matthias11 | sheer: do you know the brand and model of your wifi adapter? |
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| 11:04.11 | sheer | matthias11, yes I do, and WiFi is my only option |
| 11:04.20 | suggestor_ | sheer: just try it. in that case debian and see how do u like it. there is many support out there |
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| 11:04.34 | suggestor_ | what wifi is that? |
| 11:04.53 | EriC^^ | sheer: ubuntu has newer stuff i guess, and the desktop is prettier, the community has a lot more active members i guess |
| 11:05.00 | ChrisH | sheer: you want Ubuntu if you like others to decide about yoyur desktop and have no interest in having security support for all packages. |
| 11:06.06 | EriC^^ | ChrisH: security support for all packages? |
| 11:06.20 | sheer | ^ ? |
| 11:06.21 | EriC^^ | ah you mean in case something newer is released and a bug is found? |
| 11:06.22 | pessoa | and if you like letting amazon spy on ypu |
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| 11:06.44 | sheer | ah yes pessoa I heard came across that |
| 11:06.56 | matthias11 | I think security support is overrated, I painted my bank-card number on the outside wall of the house; that way I can call my neighbours if I forgot it! |
| 11:07.02 | sheer | I've already written my soul out on Facebook so I think I'll avoid Ubuntu. |
| 11:07.08 | EriC^^ | sheer: ubuntu doesn't spy on you, you can opt out of getting suggestions for your searches |
| 11:07.24 | sheer | matthias11, where do you live, I want to live there |
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| 11:08.04 | sheer | I don't know why there need to be so many distros tbh |
| 11:08.07 | sheer | but I don't know anything |
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| 11:08.51 | suggestor_ | everyone likes his own soup. :-) |
| 11:08.52 | matthias11 | hey - someone here is running jessie with systemd? I have the problem on two systems, that sometimes they hang on shutdown (it doesn't take something like a few minutes, it just hangs forever; in the case of the two boxes: until the battery is emptied) |
| 11:08.55 | ChrisH | lets get back on-topic... This is Debian Supportchannel, not Ubuntu or Crunchbag |
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| 11:09.18 | matthias11 | I don't know if systemd is causing that (enabling debug logging there didn't help much) |
| 11:09.31 | suggestor_ | sheer: just download debian install image and try it. select a desktop during install and u wil see if u like it. |
| 11:09.42 | ChrisH | matthias11: shutdown like poweroff or more like hibernate |
| 11:09.43 | sheer | I will do that, thank you. |
| 11:09.53 | matthias11 | ChrisH: poweroff or reboot |
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| 11:10.02 | matthias11 | it doesn't do this always |
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| 11:10.20 | suggestor_ | sheer: and when questions ask here or look at docu at website |
| 11:10.24 | ChrisH | matthias11: with poweroff/reboot I had no problems so far. hibernate does not allways work |
| 11:10.36 | sheer | suggestor_, thank you v much |
| 11:10.49 | pessoa | I prefer buying DVDs. I've got use for all of the ten wheezy disks. |
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| 11:13.03 | huleo | hi |
| 11:13.12 | suggestor_ | hi |
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| 11:13.19 | pessoa | of copurse for some people, one CD's worth of packages seems to be enough, so there's always that discussion of what to fit on the first CD, especially when it comes to desktops |
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| 11:14.27 | ChrisH | pessoa: did you ever use netinstall ? Thats what normally do. |
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| 11:17.41 | suggestor_ | I do not think that debian on dvd has any advantage in times of fast interne |
| 11:17.44 | suggestor_ | internet |
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| 11:19.56 | huleo | forgive me for pasting here, it's one line: postfix/smtpd[28426]: warning: unknown[89.174.20.156]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: no mechanism available |
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| 11:20.23 | huleo | trying to set up basic mail server here, that's what happens when trying to connect from outside (not to localhost, running client directly on server) |
| 11:20.43 | huleo | something simple seems amiss, perhaps you will have some ideas |
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| 11:21.25 | jemendja | hi |
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| 11:23.04 | jemendja | . |
| 11:23.30 | ChrisH | huleo: you did not setup a user/password combination which is knwon to the caller from 89.174.20.156 - side question why are you using postfix? |
| 11:26.12 | huleo | ChrisH: from all I read postfix is de facto standard...also, it was already installed on this server ;) |
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| 11:26.39 | huleo | ChrisH: where do I do this? |
| 11:27.36 | ChrisH | huleo: OK. I personally do not like postfix as things like 'show me how you would route this mail without sending it' is missing. And from my experience everything is complicated to configure. |
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| 11:28.32 | ChrisH | huleo: a fast google search shows http://serverfault.com/questions/517917/upgrading-to-debian-7-postfix-auth-fails |
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| 11:30.58 | huleo | ChrisH: that's the exact same error, and indeed, this server used to be upgraded from squeeze to wheezy |
| 11:31.02 | huleo | will take a look, thanks |
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| 11:41.28 | matthias11 | ChrisH: IMHO it's strange (sorry for the lag, had a phone call) |
| 11:41.37 | matthias11 | a third box doesn't show this behaviour |
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| 11:51.11 | deanrock | hi |
| 11:51.30 | deanrock | any idea why i get "linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.3-amd64 but it is not installable" when trying to install linux-image-amd64 from wheezy-backports? |
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| 11:54.16 | jelly | !tell deanrock about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 11:57.41 | deanrock | http://paste.debian.net/135973/ |
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| 12:07.19 | dreamer | hmm, 3.16 kernel in backports really is broken. this is the 2nd time I run in to a freezing system on boot this week. I thought it had to do with my other hw configuration. |
| 12:07.26 | dreamer | has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 12:08.21 | dreamer | this is with 64bit btw |
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| 12:19.53 | blackyboy | Currently i'm using Linux mint Qiana 17 i heard that Debian is the one and only powerful distro in Linux world, can its possible to make Debian more glossy than customize than Linux mint ? If so now the time to install Debian in my desktop :D please guide. |
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| 12:20.21 | babilen | blackyboy: You can configure Debian in any way you want |
| 12:20.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackyboy -about install debian |
| 12:20.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackyboy -about firmware image |
| 12:22.03 | blackyboy | babilen: Cool |
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| 12:25.56 | dreamer | meh, I really need a newer kernel. dare I say it, but I might just go for ubuntu today .. |
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| 12:28.36 | babilen | dreamer: 3.16 is in wheezy-backports |
| 12:28.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell dreamer -about bdo kernel |
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| 12:30.02 | dreamer | babilen: yes it is, and it freezes right after frub |
| 12:30.06 | dreamer | eh, grub* |
| 12:30.31 | dreamer | so I think 'useless' is an understatement |
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| 12:31.19 | dreamer | that's with 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
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| 12:31.42 | babilen | We use it on many machines so it is certainly not a generic problem with that kernel. Do you, by chance, use specific GPU drivers? |
| 12:31.49 | dreamer | nope |
| 12:31.53 | dreamer | onboard intel |
| 12:32.06 | dreamer | actually haven't installed X yet |
| 12:32.15 | dreamer | so it freezes right after 'Booting the kernel.' |
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| 12:32.41 | dreamer | get a blinking cursor, but the computer no longer resonds |
| 12:32.45 | babilen | dreamer: I'd install Xorg and give that a try, it might be related to KMS (random stab in the dark) |
| 12:33.04 | dreamer | heuhm, that sounds odd and a major bug |
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| 12:35.00 | dreamer | hmm, the 3.2 kernel no longer seems to beet .. I'm tempted to blame dracut for providing a faulty initramfs |
| 12:35.04 | dreamer | boot* |
| 12:35.11 | dreamer | it really is typo-thursday for me. jeez |
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| 12:37.29 | dreamer | with recovery mode I see dracut find the volume groups. then hang right after enumerating the usb devices. on either kernel (nearly identical) |
| 12:37.47 | dreamer | so yeah, I'm definitely blaming dracut >_< |
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| 12:43.44 | babilen | dreamer: When did dracut enter the equation? |
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| 12:45.14 | dreamer | when I installed the 3.16 kernel |
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| 12:45.33 | dreamer | dracut was installed and generated the initramfs' |
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| 12:57.10 | g00se | Is it possible to pipe a preseed file into dpkg-reconfigure so that reconf can be automated? |
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| 13:00.15 | SynrGy | i don't think it works that way. certainly you can apply a preseed file and *then* dpkg-reconfigure noninteractively |
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| 13:01.59 | SynrGy | you just want "debconf-set-selections <file>" |
| 13:02.51 | SynrGy | and probably then "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive <packagename>" |
| 13:03.16 | SynrGy | this is from just reading the doc. haven't tried it. don't see why it shouldn't work, though. |
| 13:03.31 | SynrGy | g00se: ^^ |
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| 13:13.53 | elskwi | hello |
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| 13:14.48 | g00se | SynrGy: Thanks |
| 13:15.58 | elskwi | Maybe someone can help me : I am searchin a mailing list system > subscribers receive a mail with send = list@domain.tld > subscriber bob reply to list@domain.tld > then all subscriber receive bob message (with sender = list@domain.tld) |
| 13:16.47 | jvdm | elskwi: gnu mailman? |
| 13:17.16 | elskwi | :) ok i will try with this one |
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| 13:17.25 | elskwi | thank you |
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| 13:19.21 | elskwi | jvdm : I think I must install a mail server ? |
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| 13:20.20 | jvdm | elskwi: i guess that's a requirement... but i've never deployed mailman myself so can't tell what the options are. |
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| 13:22.51 | elskwi | jvdm, i should "catch" the adress list@domain.tld at a moment, then I think it's a requirement too |
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| 13:27.33 | bman | anyone around with a 32bit system? |
| 13:27.43 | bman | just wondering if a command works to detect it |
| 13:27.52 | bman | dpkg-architecture -l|grep BUILD_ARCH_CPU|cut -d= -f2 |
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| 13:32.37 | jvdm | bman: alternative: fake the input of your pipe to test. |
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| 13:35.01 | bman | idk what the input would look like on 32bt |
| 13:35.05 | bman | thats the only issue |
| 13:35.16 | bman | its not as straightforward as i first thought |
| 13:35.32 | bman | uname -m gives something different than that command |
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| 13:37.01 | jelly | bman: what's wrong with dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 13:37.59 | g00se | bman: you want your _actual_ architecture of your cpu? |
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| 13:38.54 | bman | im just wanting to make sure it works on 32bit correctly since it took me a while to get it on 64 |
| 13:39.20 | g00se | You're confusing me ;) |
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| 13:39.51 | deanrock | hi, any idea why i can't install kernel from wheezy-backports? http://paste.debian.net/plain/135973 |
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| 13:39.54 | deanrock | i installed it on another server a few days ago without problems |
| 13:39.57 | bman | dpkg --print-architecture works fine thx |
| 13:39.57 | dpkg | bman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:40.21 | bman | just wanted to know what the arch is on a 32bit system |
| 13:40.28 | bman | is it i386 still |
| 13:40.34 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:40.36 | bman | thanks |
| 13:40.37 | bman | :) |
| 13:40.42 | g00se | Ah - you _know_ you're on 32? |
| 13:40.45 | jelly | bman: unless it's armhf or something else |
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| 13:40.51 | bman | right on |
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| 13:41.26 | bman | im making a script to compile and create deb pkg from a source tar ball |
| 13:41.39 | bman | wanted to make sure it worked for other arch |
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| 13:48.34 | berceanu_ | can i install this package in debian wheezy? --> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/julia |
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| 13:50.31 | berceanu_ | or should I use this one: https://launchpad.net/~staticfloat/+archive/ubuntu/juliareleases |
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| 13:55.00 | Walex | berceanu_: there is a wiki page on backports... |
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| 13:55.59 | suggestor | berceanu_: that one from backports and NOT that one from ubuntu |
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| 14:06.47 | MMukherjee | Debian refuses to install |
| 14:07.24 | berceanu_ | Walex: but the julia package is not in wheezy-backports, only in jessie |
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| 14:07.51 | suggestor | MMukherjee: any errors? |
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| 14:09.00 | MMukherjee | yea, erros |
| 14:09.03 | MMukherjee | errors* |
| 14:09.14 | MMukherjee | Wait let me give you the screenshot |
| 14:09.21 | MMukherjee | I'm installing from netisnt |
| 14:09.26 | MMukherjee | inst* |
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| 14:10.53 | MMukherjee | it's in VMware Workstation |
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| 14:16.14 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLob2hXYlAtMVppTFk/view?usp=sharing |
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| 14:16.40 | MMukherjee | suggestor: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLob2hXYlAtMVppTFk/view?usp=sharing |
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| 14:17.32 | suggestor | hm did u select any software in previous menu? |
| 14:17.35 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: check the output on ALT-F4 this picture is not really helpfull |
| 14:17.46 | MMukherjee | ok |
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| 14:19.19 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLobkdmZGFRRjRPalU/view?usp=sharing |
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| 14:19.36 | MMukherjee | Debian Installer didn't ask me to. |
| 14:20.10 | futex | anyone know how can install grub pn gpt partition? |
| 14:20.20 | suggestor | well mirror seems to have an problem with permissions. :) |
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| 14:20.34 | futex | /pn/on |
| 14:20.53 | suggestor | MMukherjee: try to run apt-get update and then try again with software step |
| 14:21.29 | MMukherjee | apt-get update-ing |
| 14:21.42 | MMukherjee | it doesn't print any output anymore.. |
| 14:22.15 | MMukherjee | I'm sure my inetnet is on |
| 14:22.21 | MMukherjee | internet* |
| 14:22.28 | MMukherjee | Or how can I talk with iRC |
| 14:22.35 | suggestor | yeah it is. it failed to fetch some packages from remote mirrors |
| 14:22.45 | MMukherjee | so what to do now? |
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| 14:23.25 | suggestor | wait some minutes and try again or switch mirror :) |
| 14:23.33 | suggestor | But apt-get update should be possible |
| 14:23.52 | MMukherjee | but it doesn't print any output anymore.. |
| 14:24.27 | MMukherjee | it still hasn't.. |
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| 14:25.02 | MMukherjee | has the installer read my command, even |
| 14:25.06 | suggestor | well it is console only and apt stop in background try alt + f1 to get back to install or alt + f5? |
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| 14:25.52 | MMukherjee | alt + f1 sends me to https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLob2hXYlAtMVppTFk/view?usp=sharing |
| 14:26.10 | MMukherjee | alt + f5 shows me just a "_" |
| 14:26.11 | suggestor | yeah press continue and repeat the software step |
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| 14:26.18 | suggestor | alt + f1 then |
| 14:26.19 | MMukherjee | Ok |
| 14:26.33 | berceanu_ | Walex: but the julia package is not in wheezy-backports, only in jessie |
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| 14:26.42 | MMukherjee | I'm removing the screenshots, ok? |
| 14:26.51 | suggestor | if u like :p |
| 14:26.53 | MMukherjee | ok |
| 14:27.49 | MMukherjee | again it shows the same red thing |
| 14:27.53 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLob2hXYlAtMVppTFk/view?usp=sharing |
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| 14:28.02 | MMukherjee | dahell is going on.. |
| 14:28.11 | berceanu_ | suggestor: the julia package is not in wheezy-backports |
| 14:28.46 | MMukherjee | so what to do? |
| 14:29.49 | suggestor | MMukherjee: go to other console (alt + f2) login as root and run apt-get update and then the installation step again |
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| 14:30.44 | MMukherjee | now another problem rises |
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| 14:31.52 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLoeHpIM1h3RUdaVWc/view?usp=sharing |
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| 14:31.58 | suggestor | berceanu_: uhm then I do not know. if it's mostly for your science stuff why not consider jessie then? |
| 14:32.15 | MMukherjee | suggestor: ^^^ |
| 14:32.18 | berceanu_ | suggestor: its for my phd |
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| 14:32.34 | berceanu_ | suggestor: what do u mean by condidering jessie? |
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| 14:33.01 | Doxin | so something... odd is going on with my audio. most programs work just fine, but lmms only manages to make screeches as if a cat is being murdered. any pointers? |
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| 14:33.06 | suggestor | well switch to jessie release |
| 14:33.48 | MMukherjee | suggestor, so what to do? |
| 14:34.05 | Doxin | suggestor: that aimed at me? |
| 14:34.14 | suggestor | no to berceanu_ |
| 14:34.28 | MMukherjee | what should I do? |
| 14:34.43 | MMukherjee | Should I try aptitude update ? |
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| 14:34.59 | berceanu_ | suggestor: so how do i switch? |
| 14:35.03 | MMukherjee | aptutide: not found |
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| 14:36.09 | MMukherjee | should I destroy this VM and make another one? |
| 14:36.44 | suggestor | seems like yes. Try to rerun installation steps. it failed because of serveroverload or so before |
| 14:36.46 | MMukherjee | Ok I'd try destroying it.. |
| 14:37.04 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: You are installing at the moment, right? I would go back and change the http mirrors to another one and restry |
| 14:37.14 | MMukherjee | yup |
| 14:37.20 | suggestor | Doxin: lmms uses wrong audi device? |
| 14:37.30 | suggestor | ChrisH: but how to update? |
| 14:37.40 | Doxin | suggestor: oh let me check actually |
| 14:38.09 | berceanu_ | suggestor: is the a simple way to upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 14:38.25 | ChrisH | suggestor: installer must do that on his own. |
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| 14:39.27 | MMukherjee | So, should I try to use another mirror this time? |
| 14:39.30 | suggestor | berceanu_: just change wheezy to jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get safe-upgrade. But you should save configs before maybe |
| 14:39.33 | suggestor | MMukherjee: yes |
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| 14:39.37 | MMukherjee | ok |
| 14:39.42 | suggestor | !dpkg upgrade |
| 14:39.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 14:39.43 | MMukherjee | Let me try the 2nd mirror |
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| 14:40.28 | _4dnan_ | Hello, is there any way I can make apt-get update more fasterer ? |
| 14:40.38 | henditan | hello guys, is there a command to list all available package version from given url, e.g: https://apt.puppetlabs.com ? |
| 14:40.47 | suggestor | use a local mirror _4dnan_ in lan network. :) |
| 14:41.01 | MMukherjee | Debian rocks but I can't install it right now :( |
| 14:41.06 | suggestor | _4dnan_: or make cron job at night so you have fresh list in the morning |
| 14:41.59 | _4dnan_ | Well, the cron job seems doable... Good workaround, thanks. |
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| 14:45.03 | ghormoon | Hi, any idea what may be stubbornely running wpasupplicant everytime i kill it? I cant ifup wlan0=network since wpasupplicant already runs ... |
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| 14:48.03 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: Are you installing right now? |
| 14:48.11 | MMukherjee | yea |
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| 14:49.34 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: then all actions must be done from installer. Change the mirrors and run the next step in the list. |
| 14:49.43 | MMukherjee | ok |
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| 14:53.50 | proxxy | hi |
| 14:53.57 | proxxy | So the new way to go is the nix package manager. |
| 14:54.12 | proxxy | How will it impact distributions? How will it impact Debian? |
| 14:54.17 | proxxy | Will apt be replaced by it? |
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| 14:54.34 | proxxy | And will Debian seize to exist and a nix package system will replace it? |
| 14:54.59 | MMukherjee | AGIAIN THE RED THING popped up! |
| 14:55.02 | MMukherjee | AGAIN* |
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| 14:56.15 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: dont shout... show the output from ALT-F4 please |
| 14:56.22 | MMukherjee | ok |
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| 15:01.00 | ghormoon | solved, except wicd there was also network-manager which I've miseed :) |
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| 15:06.12 | B[]rG | what is with the sound in debian wheezy |
| 15:06.12 | B[]rG | no more out of the box ?* |
| 15:06.15 | B[]rG | :< |
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| 15:07.04 | proxxy | anyone? |
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| 15:08.00 | babilen | proxxy: Probably a question for nix and Debian is not replacing apt. |
| 15:08.09 | babilen | err, for #debian-offtopic |
| 15:08.12 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:08.28 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLoVzBRQzJMLWZiNGc/view?usp=sharing |
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| 15:08.40 | MMukherjee | ChrisH: ^ |
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| 15:10.01 | suggestor | MMukherjee: try other mirror none of *.ac |
| 15:10.11 | MMukherjee | okay |
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| 15:10.30 | MMukherjee | So I'll have to destroy another VM |
| 15:10.46 | suggestor | you could just change the mirror in current install |
| 15:10.46 | MMukherjee | Fine.. |
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| 15:12.26 | MMukherjee | powering on VM] |
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| 15:13.11 | suggestor | hm for me those packages are loadable and it stoppe at same package as last time in your case. |
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| 15:14.40 | MMukherjee | should I use the cdn.debian.* one? |
| 15:14.52 | proxxy | babilen: ok |
| 15:14.54 | proxxy | hehe |
| 15:15.13 | babilen | MMukherjee: I'd use http.debian.net in lieu of that |
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| 15:15.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell MMukherjee -about http.debian.net |
| 15:15.31 | MMukherjee | http.debian.net ? |
| 15:15.40 | MMukherjee | about http.debian.net |
| 15:15.44 | MMukherjee | c'mon, dpkg |
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| 15:16.38 | MMukherjee | Oh it just sent me |
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| 15:17.01 | MMukherjee | debianmirror.nkn.in? |
| 15:17.12 | suggestor | just select one near your city or what |
| 15:17.22 | MMukherjee | I don't know where they are |
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| 15:18.05 | MMukherjee | NVM I used cdn.debian.net |
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| 15:30.09 | MMukherjee | AGAIN THE RED POPUP -.- |
| 15:30.26 | MMukherjee | 503 Service Unavailable |
| 15:30.30 | MMukherjee | -------------------------.----------------------- |
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| 15:30.57 | MMukherjee | is python* removed from all REPOs? |
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| 15:32.02 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: its again python2.6 |
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| 15:32.44 | MMukherjee | http://debian.csie.ntu.edu.tw |
| 15:32.52 | MMukherjee | yea, it's again python2.6 |
| 15:33.03 | MMukherjee | Well, the link dpkg sent me. |
| 15:33.08 | MMukherjee | I ran that command |
| 15:33.14 | MMukherjee | I was told the following mirror to use |
| 15:33.25 | MMukherjee | Location: http://debian.csie.ntu.edu.tw/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 [following] |
| 15:33.30 | MMukherjee | This was the result |
| 15:33.44 | MMukherjee | of wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location |
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| 15:34.10 | ChrisH | ,v python2.6 |
| 15:34.11 | judd | Package: python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.6-8+deb6u3; wheezy: 2.6.8-1.1 |
| 15:34.25 | MMukherjee | 'cmon,.. |
| 15:34.28 | MMukherjee | c'mon... |
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| 15:35.34 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: which mirror did you choose? It looks pretty the same as the previous one |
| 15:35.45 | MMukherjee | cdn.debian.net |
| 15:36.40 | suggestor | are u sure? |
| 15:37.11 | ChrisH | bith end with ac.in |
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| 15:37.27 | suggestor | show the last output with alt + f4 |
| 15:38.08 | MMukherjee | okay |
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| 15:38.27 | MMukherjee | But I'm now trying to use the mirror which http.debian.net told me to. |
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| 15:41.10 | MMukherjee | YAYAYAY |
| 15:41.14 | MMukherjee | THAT MIRROR WORKED! |
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| 15:41.27 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: DONT shout at us |
| 15:41.35 | MMukherjee | okay.. |
| 15:41.43 | MMukherjee | Sorry, and thanks for the awesome help |
| 15:42.08 | MMukherjee | noooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:42.11 | MMukherjee | It again failed |
| 15:42.19 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: stay tuned until its finished. |
| 15:42.40 | MMukherjee | :(((( |
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| 15:46.40 | MMukherjee | so unfortunately, there's no way to fix this? |
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| 15:47.54 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: same error message? 503 |
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| 15:48.09 | MMukherjee | Yea |
| 15:48.22 | MMukherjee | Wait I'm just gonna upload another screenshot |
| 15:48.22 | ChrisH | is there a proxy involved? |
| 15:48.26 | MMukherjee | no. |
| 15:48.30 | MMukherjee | I don't use proxys |
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| 15:50.23 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLoaFlLaGFpNllKdk0/view?usp=sharing |
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| 15:53.18 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: I checked the link http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6-minimal_2.6.8-1.1_i386.deb and that works. |
| 15:53.25 | klaxa|work | i have the following use case: i want to build qemu from wheezy backports with the glusterfs-api. however, i only want to build i386 and x86_64 guest targets. when i edit the debian/rules file to include glusterfs and exclude all targets but i386 and x86_64 it still compiles the other targets. what information can/should i provide so you can help me? |
| 15:53.29 | MMukherjee | fauq |
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| 15:53.36 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: please scroll up that page and show it again |
| 15:54.09 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Hey guys, why dhcp server keeps giving away addresses which i have fixed doing: hardware ethetnet XX:XX:XX:XX:XX fixed-address 192.168.1.113; |
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| 15:54.37 | MMukherjee | it's not SSH, man. |
| 15:54.53 | MMukherjee | I can't scroll |
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| 15:55.08 | ChrisH | [BNC]dimitry7: its the oither way round... If that box requests it gets that IP assigned. You need to seperate DHCP and static net parttions |
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| 15:55.54 | [BNC]dimitry7 | ChrisH, okay, how do I do that? |
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| 15:56.04 | [BNC]dimitry7 | I followd the docs for this, isnt working |
| 15:56.05 | MMukherjee | I think something is going on with my IP |
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| 15:56.13 | MMukherjee | I think I'd restart router and change my IP |
| 15:56.39 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: I am just unsure if its the first download that failes or not. Start the step again and look at ALT-F4 during that time to see if it downloads at all. And maybe kicking the VM for a new one would be fine. |
| 15:56.57 | MMukherjee | I tried 3 brand new VMs |
| 15:57.13 | MMukherjee | well, I think I should try changing my IP |
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| 15:58.48 | ChrisH | [BNC]dimitry7: http://paste.debian.net/136004/ |
| 15:58.51 | genericum | is there a manual howto use gentoo/bsd ebuild on ubuntu ? or perhaps even a dpkg ? |
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| 16:00.11 | MMukherjee | genericum: Go ask it at #ubuntu |
| 16:00.54 | genericum | will do .. but dpkg's install on debian too.. |
| 16:01.14 | mtn | !ubuntu |
| 16:01.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 16:02.05 | genericum | yess i know that .. but i can repeat my question and replace ubuntu by debian .. |
| 16:02.24 | mtn | genericum: no, go to the ubuntu channel, as directed |
| 16:03.13 | MMukherjee | Also: the router's DHCP shows the -- (debian) |
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| 16:03.32 | [BNC]dimitry7 | ChrisH, oooh my man... so it means that MUST NOT assing static IPs that belong to the Dynamic range??? |
| 16:03.55 | `Kevin | genericum: thats like saying you can run ANY command on ubuntu and expect it to react the same way debian does... not true in all cases its not called debian for a reason |
| 16:05.32 | ChrisH | [BNC]dimitry7: yes. |
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| 16:11.00 | MMukherjee | Changed IP, still that stuff |
| 16:11.01 | MMukherjee | Why, Debian, 'y you don't want to install |
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| 16:11.36 | MrMonkey31 | doods, remind me how to resume after stopping something with Ctrl-z plz? |
| 16:11.51 | petemc | fg |
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| 16:12.55 | MrMonkey31 | petemc, thx. was afraid I would break something :L |
| 16:12.56 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: can you verify the network connection on ATL-F2 or ALT-F3 using ping or whatever is avaliable |
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| 16:13.56 | MMukherjee | Ok I should try |
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| 16:15.08 | MMukherjee | I and the VM in on the same bridged LAN |
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| 16:15.23 | MMukherjee | So, if internet is not there how can I talk to you guys? |
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| 16:17.02 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: you do not talk from the VM you are currenlty installing. You might talk from the host. |
| 16:17.12 | MMukherjee | hnn] |
| 16:17.14 | MMukherjee | hmm* |
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| 16:17.49 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: I asked you to check from the VM. That is different from the host. |
| 16:17.57 | MMukherjee | hmm. |
| 16:18.02 | MMukherjee | Wait I'm checking |
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| 16:19.22 | MMukherjee | i'M getting replies from debian.net |
| 16:19.26 | MMukherjee | I'm* |
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| 16:20.32 | MMukherjee | Too cdn.debian.net also gives me answers |
| 16:21.50 | ChrisH | OK then the network setting is OK. Then next check on ALT-F4 if any download succeeds or if python is the first one and failes |
| 16:22.26 | MMukherjee | what cmd. should I run to try? |
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| 16:23.53 | MMukherjee | let's try wget |
| 16:24.12 | ChrisH | try to install the base system and check the output on ALT-F4 |
| 16:24.25 | MMukherjee | wget http://bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/1Mb.dat ? |
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| 16:25.06 | MMukherjee | ok |
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| 16:26.06 | MMukherjee | ok |
| 16:27.06 | genericum | can sb help me with a more general issue ? what exactly is the ramdrive for .. last time i insmoded my sata drivers onto that |
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| 16:35.31 | MMukherjee | ugh.. |
| 16:35.33 | MMukherjee | not again |
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| 16:35.56 | MMukherjee | the same problem again |
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| 16:36.57 | MMukherjee | but this time, it's more different |
| 16:37.52 | MMukherjee | let me upload screenshot |
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| 16:40.25 | MMukherjee | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByS-I2j_1tLoakI2REJoZGZOcnM/view?usp=sharing |
| 16:40.30 | MMukherjee | another screenshot |
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| 16:40.48 | MMukherjee | ChrisH: ^ |
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| 16:43.11 | ChrisH | it looks like 63 debs are downloaded and nr. 64 fails. What SW Selction did you choose? Can you strip that down to minimal possible? |
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| 16:44.38 | LamerIma | I'm having an issue with a debian server I can't seem to diagnose or google a diagnosis - only my home IP gets black listed each time I try to connect to it and not sure why, I have nothing like fail2ban running any longer (totally purged) ... how can I audit what is adding rules to IPTABLES? |
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| 16:45.15 | MMukherjee | Yea 64 is Python2.6 |
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| 16:45.23 | MMukherjee | SW Selection? What d'you mean? |
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| 16:46.56 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: software selection |
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| 16:47.41 | MMukherjee | SSH Server, something.. |
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| 16:47.56 | MMukherjee | let me tell you what that was |
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| 16:49.43 | MMukherjee | ChrisH: It was "Standard System Ulities" |
| 16:49.55 | MMukherjee | sorry, utilities.. |
| 16:50.06 | MMukherjee | nothing except 'em.. |
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| 16:51.50 | xreal | Is there a Debian kernel supporting OverlayFS in Wheezy? |
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| 16:54.03 | MMukherjee | Should I untick it? |
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| 16:56.35 | S4nD3r | I make a big error changing sysv to systemd. Then I removed systemd, but now It's impossible to reboot my computer. I get a kernel panic message. Any suggestion to solve it |
| 16:56.41 | S4nD3r | please |
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| 16:57.02 | MMukherjee | should I try unticking it, ChrisH ? |
| 16:57.41 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: Didn't you get a big fat warning for removing an essential package? |
| 16:58.09 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 16:58.46 | S4nD3r | I was so stupid |
| 16:58.50 | petn-randall | !tell S4nD3r -about chroot |
| 16:59.10 | MMukherjee | !tell MMukherjee -about chroot |
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| 16:59.19 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: Yeah, usually if you get a big fat warning it's the moment you should step back and think if you're doing the right thing. :) |
| 16:59.34 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: I am not sure if that works. |
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| 16:59.51 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: That aside, check the instructions for chrooting into your system, then reinstall sysv-init. |
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| 17:00.08 | MMukherjee | so, what should I do now.. |
| 17:00.22 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: give it a try. |
| 17:00.27 | MMukherjee | okay |
| 17:00.32 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: Assuming you're running wheezy, I recommend sticking with sysvinit, since systemd was only packaged as a tech preview in wheezy. |
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| 17:00.49 | MMukherjee | AAAnd: IT WORKED~ |
| 17:00.51 | MMukherjee | !* |
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| 17:01.10 | MMukherjee | That group was downloading the python2.6 |
| 17:01.23 | MMukherjee | what the ... |
| 17:01.40 | ChrisH | MMukherjee: after the box is installed you might want to install python2.7 |
| 17:01.51 | MMukherjee | yea.. |
| 17:02.00 | MMukherjee | But Python3* is released, right? |
| 17:02.14 | clearleapmatt | Yes, but a lot of applications require 2.7 |
| 17:02.37 | S4nD3r | petn-randall, I'm running Ubuntu box |
| 17:02.37 | ChrisH | maybe... Debian uses stable Versions and does not suffer from SNS |
| 17:02.39 | MMukherjee | now I can login! :D |
| 17:02.46 | S4nD3r | I have Debian and Ubuntu in different partitions |
| 17:02.57 | MMukherjee | Thanks! Thanks! |
| 17:02.59 | S4nD3r | But I do really prefer debian |
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| 17:03.28 | S4nD3r | I think it's possible to follow your tips from Ubuntu, or am I wrong, petn-randall ? |
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| 17:04.44 | MMukherjee | Installing Python2.7 |
| 17:04.55 | MMukherjee | now.. |
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| 17:05.01 | MMukherjee | It says 503 Service Unavailable.. |
| 17:05.09 | MMukherjee | Good, but I don't need Python2.7 |
| 17:05.14 | MMukherjee | fine :D |
| 17:05.15 | S4nD3r | I'll try rebooting as you asked. Back soon. Thanks for while |
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| 17:07.45 | pkkm | how to disable moving the mouse pointer using a Synaptics touchpad, but not clicking or two-finger scrolling? (TouchpadOff=1 disables scrolling.) |
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| 17:12.57 | petn-randall | pkkm: I don't think that's easily possible. |
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| 17:13.39 | pkkm | that's a pity, it'd be useful with my pointing stick. |
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| 17:19.56 | throwthecheese | Can Debian use Mediafire and the like as package sources? |
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| 17:20.22 | jasonwc | The Linux bonding guide says that balance-alb will work without switch support. Does that mean I can have one port connected to an unmanaged dumb switch and another to my router and use bonding without concerns of loops or other routing issues? |
| 17:20.28 | dondelelcaro | you can use pretty much anything as a package source. You probably shouldn't, though. |
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| 17:21.41 | throwthecheese | I asked this because I want to make an installable IceWM LiveCD for beginners (with a lot of home-brewn tools, of course) |
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| 17:24.21 | petn-randall | throwthecheese: You can use any kind of source, as long as it offers serving http/ftp of a certain file/directory hierachy. Ask your local university if they can provide you some (assuming you're a student). |
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| 17:40.30 | S4nD3r | petn-randall, I didn't get |
| 17:41.01 | S4nD3r | I rebooted using a debian CD, but I was not able to repeat all steps you asked |
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| 17:42.04 | S4nD3r | !dpkg chroot |
| 17:42.04 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
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| 17:44.35 | petn-randall | Ok kids, you should stay more than 3 minutes if you wait for an answer ... |
| 17:44.37 | petn-randall | sighs. |
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| 17:52.24 | S4nD3r | Please, I need to boot using debian stick, any suggestion of a download image, with network module? |
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| 17:53.27 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: You're using Ubuntu, please ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 17:55.03 | S4nD3r | no no |
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| 17:55.19 | S4nD3r | I am using Ubuntu now, just to recover debian box |
| 17:55.32 | S4nD3r | it's a backup installation |
| 17:55.52 | S4nD3r | all packages and software are installed in debian box |
| 17:56.03 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: In that case it should be possible (finger's crossed), to follow the chroot instructions from there. |
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| 17:57.17 | S4nD3r | I'll try to follow that |
| 17:57.27 | S4nD3r | I used a debian boot |
| 17:57.41 | S4nD3r | but I didn't get to mount my /dev/sda1 |
| 17:57.46 | S4nD3r | it's impossible |
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| 17:59.09 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: Why was it impossible? |
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| 17:59.48 | S4nD3r | it's not possible to find my device |
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| 17:59.57 | S4nD3r | I don't know why |
| 17:59.59 | S4nD3r | but |
| 18:00.01 | petn-randall | !tell S4nD3r -about details |
| 18:00.06 | S4nD3r | I 'll try from here |
| 18:00.09 | petn-randall | !tell S4nD3r -about doesnt work |
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| 18:00.39 | S4nD3r | when I tried to mount my dev, mount gave me "no such device" message |
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| 18:00.44 | petn-randall | S4nD3r: I'm leaving now, and will be available in ~20mins, where I can carry on helping you. |
| 18:00.51 | S4nD3r | Ok |
| 18:00.56 | S4nD3r | I'll try using debian |
| 18:00.59 | S4nD3r | *ubuntu |
| 18:01.13 | tortib | hello everyone, I'm having a problem with ipset, no matter what I set the hashsize to (I set it to 1GB) I keep receiving this error ipset v6.12.1: Hash is full, cannot add more elements ; can anyone help? |
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| 18:04.55 | tortib | nm found the problem |
| 18:04.58 | tortib | ty anyways |
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| 18:11.23 | jhutchins | tortib: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 18:13.46 | jhutchins | tortib: What was the problem? |
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| 18:27.05 | zw | Hi |
| 18:27.07 | zw | I run jdk8 on a machine with nothing todo yet. My app is slow and when I strace my java process I see constant FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) loops |
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| 18:38.34 | jhutchins | zw: That's not an OS problem, it's a java problem. |
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| 18:42.40 | proxxy | hi |
| 18:42.44 | proxxy | Soo, what do you think about nix package manager + docker? |
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| 18:42.56 | proxxy | Is this a Linux distro (including debian) killer? |
| 18:43.01 | proxxy | Just a matter of time? |
| 18:43.07 | proxxy | Should I start learning using nix + docker? |
| 18:43.24 | mofino | trolling, no need |
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| 18:48.29 | proxxy | mofino: you refer to whom? |
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| 18:50.20 | proxxy | not trolling |
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| 18:50.24 | proxxy | just a fud therapy |
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| 18:50.28 | proxxy | and some zealot-wake up shaking |
| 18:50.30 | proxxy | :( |
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| 19:16.06 | filenox | I'm trying to configure Postfix to listen on ipv6, but it only listens on ipv4 (based on lsof -Pn | grep LISTEN) |
| 19:17.01 | filenox | can someone help me out? inet_interfaces = all, mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 XXX.XXX.XXX.XX/25 [XXX:XXX:XXX:XXXX::XX]/128 |
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| 19:18.22 | jelly-home | filenox: put output of "postconf -n" and "ip a" and "ip -6 r" into a pastebin |
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| 19:18.50 | jelly-home | filenox: paste.debian.net preferred over pastebin.com, and everything in a single pastebin if possible |
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| 19:19.59 | filenox | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aaa48d9206357c79a8ae jelly-home |
| 19:20.27 | jelly-home | filenox: looks sane |
| 19:20.41 | jelly-home | and yet mine has |
| 19:20.43 | jelly-home | master 6593 root 12u IPv4 21596 0t0 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) |
| 19:20.43 | jelly-home | master 6593 root 13u IPv6 21598 0t0 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) |
| 19:21.47 | jelly-home | (with inet_interfaces = all, and a scope-global ipv6 address) |
| 19:22.00 | filenox | well, now what? haha |
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| 19:25.09 | jelly-home | filenox: grep -h '^[^#].*v6' /etc/sysctl.{d/*,conf} |
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| 19:25.27 | filenox | jelly-home: nothing |
| 19:26.08 | teraflops | filenox: in main.cf inet protocols part what does it say? |
| 19:26.14 | filenox | all |
| 19:26.16 | filenox | teraflops: |
| 19:26.20 | teraflops | uhm |
| 19:26.37 | jelly-home | filenox: does "telnet ::1 25" not work? |
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| 19:27.00 | filenox | jelly-home: connection refused |
| 19:27.17 | jelly-home | filenox: which debian release is this? |
| 19:27.38 | filenox | jelly-home: wheezy |
| 19:27.46 | jelly-home | I've no idea what's wrong there. |
| 19:27.56 | teraflops | filenox: tried sudo ip6tables -F ? |
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| 19:28.17 | filenox | teraflops: nothing |
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| 19:28.30 | teraflops | filenox: nothing what? |
| 19:28.43 | filenox | teraflops: no output |
| 19:28.52 | teraflops | yeah |
| 19:29.16 | teraflops | filenox: restart postfix and telnet ::1 25 as jelly-home says |
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| 19:29.44 | filenox | teraflops: connection refused |
| 19:29.47 | teraflops | uhm |
| 19:29.53 | filenox | yea i know :/ |
| 19:29.56 | jhutchins | filenox: Perhaps also grep -i ipv6 /etc/postfix/* -r |
| 19:30.04 | teraflops | ah srry filenox |
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| 19:30.52 | jelly-home | filenox: is output of ip6tables-save (as root) empty? |
| 19:30.56 | jhutchins | filenox: Have you established that the v6 interface is actually up? Can you ping6? |
| 19:31.02 | filenox | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/136041/ |
| 19:31.13 | jelly-home | jhutchins: uh, did you read his paste? |
| 19:31.18 | filenox | jhutchins: Yes i can ping :) |
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| 19:31.54 | jhutchins | filenox: I would say you haven't enabled 6 in postfix. |
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| 19:32.07 | filenox | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/136042/ :) |
| 19:32.09 | jelly-home | there's nothing else to enable |
| 19:32.17 | jelly-home | filenox: dpkg -l postfix|tail -n 1 |
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| 19:32.53 | teraflops | filenox: may be, my network, my destination, my hostname issue also check logs complaining about that and recheck /etc/hosts just guessing |
| 19:32.58 | filenox | jhutchins: I guess i did, but it doesn't work, haha |
| 19:33.14 | filenox | jelly-home: i postfix 2.9.6-2 amd64 High-performance mail transport agent |
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| 19:34.25 | filenox | teraflops: recheck /etc/hosts? |
| 19:34.28 | teraflops | yep |
| 19:34.39 | filenox | teraflops: what should i check? |
| 19:34.43 | teraflops | i see take a look and see if it is ok |
| 19:35.16 | filenox | teraflops: http://paste.debian.net/136043/ |
| 19:35.24 | teraflops | ill paste one of mines filenox |
| 19:36.06 | teraflops | http://ix.io/1I8 |
| 19:36.51 | jhutchins | filenox: I didn't see your configuration, do you have inet_protocols = all? |
| 19:37.05 | filenox | jhutchins: yes i have |
| 19:37.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aaa48d9206357c79a8ae |
| 19:37.31 | filenox | jelly-home: jhutchins yea i removed that one, haha, will upload a new one on request |
| 19:37.36 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Expired or something. |
| 19:37.42 | jelly-home | eh |
| 19:37.46 | filenox | jhutchins: wait a sec |
| 19:37.49 | filenox | please |
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| 19:38.19 | jhutchins | filenox: I think I would try specifying ipv6 explicitly (given the lack of other ideas). |
| 19:38.26 | filenox | jhutchins: config file! http://paste.debian.net/136046/ |
| 19:39.01 | jelly-home | filenox: what does "sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only" say? |
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| 19:39.09 | filenox | teraflops: i guess mine looks fine then? |
| 19:39.20 | jhutchins | "By default, Postfix uses IPv4 only, because most systems aren't attached to an IPv6 network." <= http://www.postfix.org/IPV6_README.html#configuration |
| 19:39.26 | filenox | jelly-home: net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
| 19:39.34 | teraflops | uhm filenox have to check your main.cf gimme a sec |
| 19:39.47 | jelly-home | filenox: same here, and yet it wfm |
| 19:39.50 | filenox | thanks for helping me out guys |
| 19:40.19 | teraflops | filenox: trace errors on mail servers is a nightmare |
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| 19:40.41 | filenox | teraflops: *mail servers are a nightmare |
| 19:40.51 | filenox | this is the first time i've ever set-up a mailserver |
| 19:41.00 | filenox | it kinda works but damn |
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| 19:41.33 | filenox | i'm hoping that configuring SMTP is a bit easier, well, a bit more documentated |
| 19:41.46 | jhutchins | filenox: Do you have spamassassin and everything? |
| 19:41.55 | chops_ | I just had a broken jessie upgrade ("ibglib2.0-bin depends on libglib2.0-0 (= 2.42.1-1); however: Version of libglib2.0-0:i386 on system is 2.42.0-2"). A more full excerpt is on http://pastebin.com/skWrVQuQ . This is a crouton system. Is this a known issue? I couldn't find anything in brief searching in the BTS. |
| 19:41.56 | filenox | jhutchins: no |
| 19:42.08 | jhutchins | filenox: Oh, there's all KINDS of documentation. Some of it even agrees! |
| 19:42.23 | jelly-home | filenox: say you run nc6 -l -p 2525 &, does lsof show it listening on both IPv4 and IPv6? |
| 19:42.42 | jelly-home | chops_: what's crouton? |
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| 19:42.59 | chops_ | jelly-home: A debian chroot on a chromebook |
| 19:43.16 | filenox | nc6 11619 root 3u IPv6 1194089113 0t0 TCP *:2525 (LISTEN) |
| 19:43.16 | filenox | nc6 11619 root 4u IPv4 1194089114 0t0 TCP *:2525 (LISTEN) |
| 19:43.17 | filenox | jelly-home: |
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| 19:43.36 | chops_ | jelly-home: I say that so that if the answer is "Sorry, kid, you're on your own" you can say it quickly before anyone invests any time. :-) |
| 19:44.00 | jelly-home | chops_: run aptitude update, the usual cleanup with "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install", then try again |
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| 19:44.40 | chops_ | jelly-home: Well, but might this be a problem that's worth fixing (i.e. that might indicate a deeper problem or affect other people)? Or do I not care about that? |
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| 19:45.03 | jelly-home | filenox: and yet lsof -Pnp $(pgrep -P1 master) |grep -i LISTEN ... shows only the IPv4 line? |
| 19:45.25 | teraflops | filenox: looks good to me, no clue |
| 19:45.31 | filenox | well not really |
| 19:45.40 | filenox | root@filip:~# lsof -Pnp $(pgrep -P1 master) |grep -i LISTEN |
| 19:45.40 | filenox | master 10779 root 12u IPv4 1193889926 0t0 TCP *:25 (LISTEN) |
| 19:45.40 | filenox | master 10779 root 16u IPv4 1193889936 0t0 TCP *:587 (LISTEN) |
| 19:45.42 | filenox | master 10779 root 17u IPv6 1193889938 0t0 TCP *:587 (LISTEN) |
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| 19:45.50 | jelly-home | chops_: it's testing. first check the latest changes in the repo, then see if it's still broken |
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| 19:45.53 | filenox | lol |
| 19:45.56 | filenox | wait a sec |
| 19:46.24 | filenox | http://paste.debian.net/136047/ |
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| 19:46.31 | filenox | jelly-home: |
| 19:46.35 | jelly-home | lol, indeed, why would submission bind a v6 listener but smtp not |
| 19:46.55 | filenox | lol indeed on what? i was kicked before reading that |
| 19:46.58 | chops_ | jelly-home: 'aptitude update' plus 'aptitude dist-upgrade' is what I did to cause this to happen. IMO even in testing it's a good goal to make things not upgrade brokenly. Anyway, I'm doing as you suggest to see if it resolves the problem. |
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| 19:47.32 | teraflops | filenox: or give a try to inet_protocols = ipv4, ipv6 and restart postfix |
| 19:47.44 | filenox | teraflops: will do, give me a sec |
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| 19:47.54 | jelly-home | filenox: I'll have to see your master.cf |
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| 19:48.29 | jelly-home | filenox: or better, postconf -Mf output |
| 19:48.33 | filenox | teraflops: still only listens on ipv4 |
| 19:49.03 | filenox | jelly-home: as requested : http://paste.debian.net/136048/ |
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| 19:49.40 | chops_ | jelly-home: Hm, apt-get -f install seems to have fixed it. I'll file a bug against libglib2.0-0 unless someone tells me not to. |
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| 19:50.23 | jhutchins | chops_: I'd wait. |
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| 19:50.46 | jelly-home | chops_: I wouldn't bother |
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| 19:51.04 | jhutchins | chops_: It's testing. That's exactly the kind of thing that breaks. |
| 19:51.07 | filenox | postfix = black magic |
| 19:51.13 | jelly-home | also, freeze |
| 19:51.20 | teraflops | hey 0.0.0.0:smtp inet n?? |
| 19:51.34 | chops_ | jhutchins: Okay, makes sense. That's why I asked; I'm not sure what constitutes important enough to fix. Thanks guys. |
| 19:51.40 | teraflops | filenox: the plain master.cf says the same? |
| 19:51.51 | jelly-home | filenox: you have a non-default line for :25 listener |
| 19:52.08 | teraflops | 0.0.0.0 listen on ipv4 only |
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| 19:52.22 | jelly-home | !win teraflops |
| 19:52.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, teraflops! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 19:52.44 | teraflops | grabs his spoon ;) |
| 19:52.52 | filenox | jelly-home: meaning what exactly? |
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| 19:53.28 | jelly-home | filenox: meaning your, or someone else, edited /etc/postfix/master.cf and specifically made it listen on 0.0.0.0 only |
| 19:53.36 | filenox | ooooooooohhh |
| 19:53.39 | filenox | damn |
| 19:53.45 | filenox | this is soooo stupid |
| 19:54.14 | filenox | damn, solved |
| 19:54.17 | filenox | sorry guys |
| 19:54.23 | teraflops | np filenox |
| 19:54.30 | jelly-home | no reason to be sorry, this is what the channel is for |
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| 19:54.54 | filenox | still, this was kind of stupid :) |
| 19:55.03 | filenox | but hey, that's why i'm a student.. i guess |
| 19:55.23 | jelly-home | well, sure, but you had to find out _exactly_ where the stupidity was stored |
| 19:55.36 | filenox | haha true |
| 19:57.09 | jelly-home | had you noticed earlier that 587 was listening on ipv6 but 25 not, people would wonder about master.cf sooner |
| 19:57.29 | filenox | true, haven't thought about it tbh |
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| 19:57.55 | filenox | how fun is IMAP to configure btw? :P |
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| 19:58.00 | teraflops | filenox: well grab a decent free certs btw :) |
| 19:58.18 | teraflops | i see seflsigned ones in your config |
| 19:59.00 | filenox | that isn't important (:p), i've got an assignment where i have to configure several servers |
| 19:59.03 | teraflops | cacert are ok but starcom ar better since most bowrsers has built in ca.crt of starcom |
| 19:59.19 | filenox | advanced configuration like that isn't necessary |
| 19:59.22 | filenox | "advanced" |
| 19:59.53 | filenox | but thanks for the advice anyway |
| 20:00.00 | teraflops | np filenox |
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| 20:01.10 | jelly-home | filenox: it can be as hard as "aptitude install dovecot-imap" or as easy as a 12-page tutorial from https://workaround.org/ispmail/wheezy |
| 20:01.25 | jelly-home | %$@#%V notice spammers |
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| 20:02.09 | filenox | jelly-home: bookmarked! |
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| 20:07.45 | jhutchins | filenox: It's nice to at least run through things like the certs so if you ever actually have to do it you've seen it before. |
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| 20:08.39 | jhutchins | teraflops: startcom.org? |
| 20:08.42 | filenox | I've configured https so i know the basics about it, i have a deadline in a couple of days to make so basically i'm only planning to do the basics now :) |
| 20:09.02 | teraflops | jhutchins: https://www.startssl.com/ |
| 20:09.19 | jelly-home | jhutchins: or https://letsencrypt.org/ |
| 20:09.42 | jelly-home | (not there yet) |
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| 20:10.06 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, I knew about that one. |
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| 20:10.37 | ak | t |
| 20:10.38 | teraflops | jhutchins: http://a.pomf.se/jnveqw.png apart the spanish output you can see the info |
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| 20:13.07 | filenox | shouldn't this cron work? 00 00 * * * apt-get -Y upgrade 1> /dev/null |
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| 20:14.08 | teraflops | upgrading OS form a cron job is ... eewww |
| 20:14.33 | filenox | shouldn't that be dist-upgrade? |
| 20:14.55 | teraflops | filenox: whats the point of doing that? |
| 20:15.12 | filenox | well, keeping software up-to-date automatically |
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| 20:15.28 | teraflops | i mean the most sensible task relying on a black hole you do not notice anything |
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| 20:15.31 | proxxy | isn't auto-upgrading dangerous? |
| 20:15.42 | proxxy | should be the system state fixed and determined |
| 20:15.46 | proxxy | like a ... docker container? |
| 20:15.51 | filenox | proxxy: I guess that's what teraflops is trying to say, haha |
| 20:16.00 | proxxy | also the docker thing? |
| 20:16.02 | proxxy | docker? |
| 20:16.18 | filenox | no the bad idea / dangerous thingy |
| 20:16.54 | filenox | i'm curious why it doesn't work though |
| 20:16.55 | proxxy | ah |
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| 20:20.45 | jelly-home | proxxy: enough about this docker thing. Unless you have a tech support issue, stay quiet. I warned you twice already, there won't be a next time. |
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| 20:21.16 | proxxy | jelly-home: oh :( |
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| 20:23.25 | klys | n'what's up? |
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| 20:31.40 | klys | irc client users |
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| 20:47.20 | pikaro | I just noticed that a lot of important things (like /usr/lib) are owned by 2011:2000 on my system. I have no idea how that could have happened, I never did that manually and never deleted any users or groups. is it possible for something like that to go wrong during a dist-upgrade? running unstable, last dist-upgrade was dec 1st. also, what does this entail and how to fix it? can I just chown everything to root:root that has these permissions, or is it po |
| 20:47.20 | pikaro | ssible there was actual data loss and the files were owned by different system users before? |
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| 20:50.41 | jhutchins | pikaro: /usr/lib should be owned by 0:0 (root:root). |
| 20:51.11 | jhutchins | pikaro: Anything's possible running sid, but that's a pretty high user number. |
| 20:51.20 | jhutchins | pikaro: It's also possible you've been hacked. |
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| 20:52.38 | jhutchins | pikaro: I would disconnect from the net immediately, and unless you want to spend time looking for what happened, format the partitions and either restore a known good copy or reinstall. |
| 20:52.39 | pikaro | jhutchins, that's what I didn't want to hear... |
| 20:52.52 | pikaro | ah shit |
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| 20:54.00 | pikaro | it's weird, I don't offer any services and the only possibly problematic things I run are through wine, which wouldn't have access to these places. |
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| 20:54.42 | pikaro | and I'm behind a firewalled router as well. of course someone could always hack into that... |
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| 20:56.01 | pikaro | but yeah, with my limited knowledge it's probably impossible to be sure :\ thanks, then, looks like I know how I'll be spending my evening. |
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| 20:56.55 | jhutchins | pikaro: It's possible some sloppy build gave those files the wrong ownership. |
| 20:57.09 | jhutchins | pikaro: Suspicious though. |
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| 20:58.47 | CheckDavid | So. I dont know how to connect to WiFi on my live Debian. |
| 20:59.11 | CheckDavid | It has no option on to top right screen.like it used to |
| 20:59.24 | pikaro | well, I usually make sure everything is encrypted and trusted etc., so the doubt would probably gnaw at me anyway... |
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| 21:00.02 | CheckDavid | How do I turn WiFi on? |
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| 21:03.36 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You may not have the nmapplet running. |
| 21:03.45 | jhutchins | !wifi |
| 21:03.45 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 21:04.27 | CheckDavid | :o |
| 21:04.47 | CheckDavid | How hard is this gonna be? How many hoops do I have to jump through? |
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| 21:05.02 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Actually, this is probably more helpful: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:05.21 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: So I infer that you got the live boot working? |
| 21:05.54 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: Ensure your user account is a member of the netdev group. |
| 21:05.54 | CheckDavid | Can you help me with this step? |
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| 21:06.42 | CheckDavid | I used to just connect To the internet.... |
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| 21:06.56 | CheckDavid | Is the problem that I'm on a different machine or is it live Debian? |
| 21:07.21 | Quatroking | what ftp server do you guys suggest |
| 21:07.33 | jshultzy | proftpd |
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| 21:07.43 | clearleapmatt | proftpd is pretty good |
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| 21:07.48 | jshultzy | or vsftp both good. I like proftpd better tho |
| 21:07.49 | clearleapmatt | there are a few utilities you can download with it to manage passwords |
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| 21:08.05 | clearleapmatt | do you have the option of using sftp? |
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| 21:08.33 | Quatroking | i'll try proftpd, thanks |
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| 21:09.00 | jshultzy | sftp for the win for security of couse. slower transfers and more overload due to the encryption but safer ;) |
| 21:09.23 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: as user on console the groups command returns the groups you're a member of. |
| 21:09.27 | clearleapmatt | especially as you don't authenticate in cleartext |
| 21:09.33 | Quatroking | this'll be for home use tho |
| 21:09.37 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: This is usally handled by default for a GUI user. |
| 21:09.57 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: I can't even run su. I have no passwoed |
| 21:10.03 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: No, it's not a problem, it's just one more step to take. |
| 21:10.18 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Might want to read the docs for the live system. |
| 21:10.28 | CheckDavid | Oh damn. |
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| 21:10.35 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I'll let someone familiar with live help. |
| 21:11.20 | CheckDavid | Does this step get saved to my USB jhutchins ? |
| 21:11.37 | CheckDavid | Not even the live password is running. Which I think is "live" |
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| 21:12.23 | jshultzy | Quatroking: problem is, natively sftp sometimes isn't supported for clients, sometimes requiring filezilla, cyberduck, etc as client so use. ftp/ftps is better for compatibility and not having to install another client to do the transfers. ftps more secure. ftp more compatibility from the 2. home use, ftp works |
| 21:12.43 | Quatroking | so uh |
| 21:12.47 | Quatroking | proftpd? |
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| 21:12.59 | Quatroking | I'll be using filezilla, probably |
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| 21:14.04 | jshultzy | I would use proftpd at home in LAN if you open it up and want to access it from outside sftp or at minimal, proftpd with ftps |
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| 21:16.33 | jhutchins | Quatroking: ssh |
| 21:16.51 | jhutchins | Quatroking: I think filezilla can handle it if you need a GUI. |
| 21:16.51 | Quatroking | what about it |
| 21:17.11 | jhutchins | Quatroking: ftp is a big red HACKME sign. |
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| 21:17.50 | Quatroking | well then i hope my mom isn't a pro hacker who creates gui's in visual basic |
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| 21:18.06 | Quatroking | as I said, it's for home use ;) |
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| 21:18.39 | Quatroking | maybe, just MAYBE I'll also connect from uni |
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| 21:18.46 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: but I have no internet... |
| 21:18.53 | CheckDavid | How do.I run that apt get command.... |
| 21:19.01 | teraflops | just use sftp there are a lot of guis for the client side |
| 21:19.25 | CheckDavid | It ties to connect to the interrnet |
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| 21:20.26 | stryngs | Is there anything I can do for a metapackage that will prevent the upgrade of a given file if the metapackage is installed? i.e. for package a, my metapackage wants a to be at 1.0 and nothing lower or higher |
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| 21:25.19 | CheckDavid | Seriously.... |
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| 21:28.09 | qu | Well for the second dist-upgrade in a row, my server's OS is ruined. |
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| 21:28.18 | qu | (initramfs) |
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| 21:29.01 | swordsmanz | stackofcats you need to include a shellsript or something with the metapackage to somehow tag the package as nononupgradeable |
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| 21:29.39 | swordsmanz | oh he left |
| 21:29.51 | CheckDavid | I have no WiFi. How do install stuff from the intrrnet with this? https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#GNOME |
| 21:29.58 | swordsmanz | sorry stackofcats dident mean to bother you accedental oping |
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| 21:31.53 | udevd | hi! i'm running amd64 wheezy, and having >Some packages could not be installed. when trying to install rtl-sdr. How can I check what causes this to happen? I think this may be the case of some 386 packages installed, but a) how to be sure, b) how to resolve this problem |
| 21:31.58 | udevd | ? |
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| 21:32.40 | udevd | apt-get -f install, clean, autoclean doesn't help |
| 21:32.51 | udevd | i mean, it does nothing |
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| 21:35.36 | CheckDavid | Guys please :( |
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| 21:37.47 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You can remaster a custom live image - but I think that's a bit above your current experience level. |
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| 21:37.58 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: What do you want to do that isn't covered by the Linux VM that you have? |
| 21:38.03 | dokma | built libinklevel and ink |
| 21:38.06 | CheckDavid | It was 3 days yo boot Debian live... |
| 21:38.12 | CheckDavid | *to |
| 21:38.18 | dokma | getting this: ./ink: error while loading shared libraries: libinklevel.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:38.31 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: windows isolation for security against keylogging |
| 21:38.35 | dokma | libinklevel.so.5 is in /usr/local/lib |
| 21:38.50 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You can install and configure things in a live session, but you start from the same place every time. |
| 21:38.51 | dokma | there's a bunch of other libs there |
| 21:38.57 | CheckDavid | That's all in looking for. Else I'm good with virtualization. |
| 21:39.01 | dokma | so I cannot figure out why ink would not find it? |
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| 21:39.11 | CheckDavid | *I'm |
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| 21:39.24 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You can research "persistent" live images - pendrivelinux.com is a good place to start. |
| 21:39.30 | dokma | that is why runtime loader cannot find it? |
| 21:39.39 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Basically it sounds like your wifi isn't supported by the standard live image. |
| 21:39.44 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: i see. |
| 21:39.51 | jhutchins | !tell CheckDavid about kmuto |
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| 21:40.52 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: did yo read my answer about the security against keylogging due to insecure.host OS? |
| 21:40.52 | abrotman | kmuto doesn't really do that stuff anymore |
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| 21:41.08 | abrotman | and he doesn't do LiveCD either AFAIK |
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| 21:41.30 | abrotman | CheckDavid: perhaps you should try #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:41.41 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I think the easiest thing for you to do is probably to get an additional hard drive and install Debian directly to that. That's the "standard" install, and very easy to deal with. No danger to your Windows system. |
| 21:41.45 | qu | DON'T DO A DIST-UPGRADE NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REBUILD. wAIT A FEW DAYS. |
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| 21:42.10 | qu | You'll drop to (initramfs) on reboot. |
| 21:42.14 | jhutchins | qu: Testing or Unstable? |
| 21:42.19 | qu | Testing |
| 21:42.26 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: really? |
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| 21:42.32 | jhutchins | qu: Initramfs or just a shell? |
| 21:42.43 | qu | Busybox |
| 21:42.50 | CheckDavid | What is the process of installing it to an external hard drive? |
| 21:43.06 | CheckDavid | But then my laptop is dependent on an external hard drive wherever |
| 21:43.16 | CheckDavid | It goes |
| 21:43.35 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: True, but after you get comfortable with Linux, you can repartition the main drive and install to that. |
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| 21:43.38 | udevd | SWEET JESUS |
| 21:43.50 | udevd | I WAS HAVING BOTH TESTING AND WHEEZY AT THE SAME TIME |
| 21:43.56 | udevd | at least, their repositories |
| 21:44.21 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I would not recommend a standard USB drive, that's very slow (unless you go with pendrivelinux). |
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| 21:44.42 | jhutchins | udevd: Generally considered a Bad Idea. |
| 21:45.17 | SynrGy | if you've done any significant upgrades in that state, your options are: completely upgrade to testing, or reinstall stable |
| 21:45.40 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 21:45.49 | qu | Second time in a row dist-upgrade has destroyed my server and required a full rebuild. I'm afraid to do updates anymore. |
| 21:45.55 | CheckDavid | What's the difference of pen drive Linux? |
| 21:46.05 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: |
| 21:46.17 | jhutchins | qu: Why are you running testing on a server? Why are you running a server without backups? |
| 21:46.32 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Go see. |
| 21:46.42 | qu | jhutchins: I have run Testing for 15 years. I do have backups. |
| 21:46.44 | p0st | Im trying to install zfs on my debian, but seems it hangs on this stage: Building initial module for 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 21:46.46 | p0st | does it usually take along time to install? |
| 21:46.50 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: PDL offers tools to build persistent live images. |
| 21:47.20 | qu | That oesn't mean it's not still a major job, with much downtime. |
| 21:47.41 | jhutchins | qu: That's why you don't run testing on systems where downtime matters. |
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| 21:47.52 | qu | bollocks. |
| 21:47.56 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: how does.it make.it faster? |
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| 21:48.04 | jhutchins | qu: I generallly run testing as a dual-boot so I can fall back to stable when there are problems. |
| 21:48.08 | qu | Testing has been fine for many years. |
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| 21:48.28 | qu | But the past two weeks it's turned to crap. |
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| 21:48.34 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You really should read what they have to say about it, but the main thing is a compressed filesystem and running from RAM. |
| 21:48.55 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: does Debian live load to ram alread |
| 21:49.01 | CheckDavid | *already? |
| 21:49.12 | jhutchins | qu: Testing is in a constant state of change, which is why these things happen. It's allowed to break. It's allowed to stay broken. It doesn't get security updates. |
| 21:49.41 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: http://pendrivelinux.com/ - more than just Debian. |
| 21:49.50 | qu | Two dist-upgrades in a row, -ruining- my major server. |
| 21:50.07 | jhutchins | qu: You should have learned. |
| 21:50.08 | qu | That has never happened in 15 years of running Testing. |
| 21:50.11 | SynrGy | CheckDavid: it's not quite like that. the squashfs decompresses and loads to ram on demand. your system won't need everything in ram at once, though. |
| 21:50.18 | jhutchins | qu: That's just random luck. |
| 21:50.22 | qu | Don't waggle your finger at me. |
| 21:50.39 | SynrGy | CheckDavid: only the pages it needs, at a given time |
| 21:50.41 | qu | I've been doing this since before you were born. |
| 21:50.51 | jhutchins | qu: Rather unlikely. |
| 21:51.03 | SynrGy | CheckDavid: there's a boot option to load the whole thing to ram at once, however. |
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| 21:51.30 | SynrGy | CheckDavid: the 'toram' boot parameter. |
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| 21:51.35 | qu | I guess I'll switch over to Xen, to make this recovery easier, since Debian is flying to pieces. |
| 21:51.44 | SynrGy | of course, only do that if you have enough ram for the whole thing |
| 21:52.04 | Drizzt321 | I recently dist-upgrade from wheezy to testing, and now my apache sites-enabled & vhosts don't seem to be functioning. All the symlinks are there pointing to the files in sites-available, and the data is there, just apache doesn't seem to be pulling them in correctly. Only the 000-default.conf is being used |
| 21:52.05 | jhutchins | qu: Debian isn't flying to pieces. I have six very happy servers. |
| 21:52.21 | qu | Don't do a dist-upgrade on them today. |
| 21:52.39 | jhutchins | qu: No reason not to - they're on stable. |
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| 21:54.21 | CheckDavid | SynrGy: so it stays dependent in the USB driv until it is turned off? |
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| 21:54.55 | CheckDavid | I see SynrGy |
| 21:55.58 | SynrGy | yes, it does |
| 21:56.01 | SynrGy | unless you use toram |
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| 21:57.59 | CheckDavid_ | I see SynrGy |
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| 21:59.16 | Drizzt321 | oh, nm. it's just that none of them have .conf at the end |
| 21:59.18 | Drizzt321 | arg |
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| 22:12.20 | rgr | Drizzt321: yeah the layout changed in apache2 |
| 22:12.43 | rgr | I cant recall what exactly. but something like conf.d or somewuch was added. its in the release notes. |
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| 22:13.26 | Drizzt321 | yea, the site files must be .conf now |
| 22:13.29 | Drizzt321 | instead of any old name |
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| 22:14.18 | rgr | yeah thats it. possibly to allow files containing lists of webs. dunno. |
| 22:14.19 | Drizzt321 | also the access controls seem to be updated, see https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/upgrading.html |
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| 22:14.58 | Drizzt321 | wish there was an ncurses popup when I upgraded saying "WARNING: You need to do shit!" |
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| 22:15.22 | eristisk | Hi all, I am trying to disable daemons listening on the network to secure my machine. I see ntpd is listening on multiple udp and udp6 ports. Does it need to do that in order to keep the time synced?? |
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| 22:24.04 | CheckDavid_ | jhutchins: THE WAY pendrivelinux advises debian live usb creation is the way I did it, the problem is that I don't have internet in there cuz no wifi =/ |
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| 22:24.16 | CheckDavid_ | jhuebner: im not very clear on how it helps |
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| 22:26.13 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why in jessie sudo route shows 2 identical routes? |
| 22:26.27 | RayzrShrp | 2 default routes to be exact |
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| 22:33.19 | shoepie_ | i'm running a cron daemon process at @reboot and on certain restarts it will run fine, other times it will run then die after ~30s |
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| 22:34.16 | dondelelcaro | shoepie_: cron really shouldn't be dying at all. |
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| 22:34.43 | dondelelcaro | shoepie_: if it is, turn on coredumps, and build a debugging version of cron |
| 22:34.44 | shoepie_ | dondelelcaro: sorry, cron isn't dying. the daemon it starts is |
| 22:34.47 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 22:34.58 | shoepie_ | it's very random, though |
| 22:35.08 | shoepie_ | sometimes it stays running, othertimes not |
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| 22:36.14 | shoepie_ | if i add another cron entry to run it a second time, say 60s later, that run always works |
| 22:36.23 | shoepie_ | i'm stumped |
| 22:36.30 | dondelelcaro | shoepie_: I'd strongly suggest using systemd in that case (or similar) with Restart |
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| 22:38.23 | grzeslaw | Hi, I would like to take your advice... |
| 22:39.11 | grzeslaw | Today I discover, that there is some issue with my spamassasin package.. here what I get: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PR3FFYAY |
| 22:39.42 | dondelelcaro | shoepie_: but besides that, the logging and sourcecode (and coredumps) should tell you what's wrong with the daemon |
| 22:40.42 | shoepie_ | dondelelcaro: weird thing is it's not logging any exceptions, it just dies. It's ruby |
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| 22:43.06 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 22:43.12 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
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| 22:43.33 | dondelelcaro | well, someone in #ruby might have an idea, but in the meantime, if you're using systemd or similar, you can work around it by having it automatically be restarted |
| 22:43.37 | dondelelcaro | (which is probably what you want anyway) |
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| 22:44.57 | shoepie_ | k, i'll take a look at systemd. appreciate the help |
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| 23:11.22 | marioxcc | Hi. When using Sys-V style init. Does changing runlevel stalls if an init script stalls?. |
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| 23:19.50 | jaggz- | can i install from just dvd 1? |
| 23:20.06 | jaggz- | net installing for any remaining packages? |
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| 23:20.44 | lyonsb | pretty sure systemd has a watchdog, so it'll wait 30 seconds before saying "such and such task" or "initscript foo failed" or . . . something like that. honestly I haven't seen the error except with hard driv emounting. |
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| 23:32.08 | Marezz | Hey guys, I just tried to setup my mail account in Evolution but I cant find a field for a password. Naturally, the email is not working. I am using Debian 7, does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 23:36.48 | dizzylizzy | Marezz: did you import settings from another program or are you starting out fresh? |
| 23:36.59 | Marezz | dizzylizzy, fresh |
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| 23:38.43 | dizzylizzy | my system is broken and I can't install evolution, but have you checked out the official manual? |
| 23:38.46 | dizzylizzy | Marezz: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/ |
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| 23:42.22 | Marezz | dizzylizzy, I know how to setup email but I just took a look at the manual and it doesnt say where to input the password |
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| 23:46.13 | Marezz | I get error, Failed to open folder. The reported error was "Could not connect to imap.x.com: Input/output error". |
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| 23:47.22 | dizzylizzy | that's very odd |
| 23:47.35 | dizzylizzy | Though to be fair, I don't remember there being one either |
| 23:47.40 | dizzylizzy | what I remember is being asked the first time |
| 23:47.46 | dizzylizzy | it tries to connect, I mean |
| 23:47.53 | dizzylizzy | I used to use gnome/evolution in stable a lot |
| 23:48.03 | dizzylizzy | sorry I'm not being much of a help :( |
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| 23:49.23 | Vasistha | if I am looking at the grub menu on one device, is there a way to switch over to the grub menu on another device/ |
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| 23:55.45 | vook | does the xen included with wheezy support remus? |
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| 23:59.46 | maxd | So I resized /root using lvextend - but df -h still lists it with the old free space available. |
| 23:59.48 | maxd | Also it still complains that not enough space is available. |
| 23:59.50 | maxd | So do I have to restart something after lvextend to make the fs aware the disk size has been increased? |
| 23:59.52 | maxd | anyone? |
| 23:59.54 | maxd | :D |
