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| 00:00.48 | vook | is this /root or / ? |
| 00:00.49 | PryMar56 | man resize2fs |
| 00:01.07 | maxd | ah / |
| 00:01.19 | maxd | df -h lists rootfs being 100% Used |
| 00:01.23 | maxd | I have to resize the lvm disk |
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| 00:01.29 | Vasistha | maxd: you have resized the partition that the filesystem is sitting on; but you have not resized the filesystem. |
| 00:01.30 | vook | maxd: yes, you still need to resize the filesystem |
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| 00:01.30 | maxd | I started at 7 GB, now it needs more. |
| 00:01.39 | maxd | ok, thanks |
| 00:01.51 | maxd | vook: how can I resize the fs? |
| 00:02.15 | vook | see PryMar56> man resize2fs |
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| 00:02.50 | ctp__ | re |
| 00:03.40 | wyre | anyway to delete my duplied files ? :D |
| 00:04.09 | Vasistha | duplied?? |
| 00:04.14 | maxd | thanks |
| 00:04.16 | maxd | I will try it out now. |
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| 00:06.39 | maxd | What package gives me ext2resize tool? |
| 00:06.52 | maxd | Because the only package listed for this is named the same, 'ext2resize' and only in sid. |
| 00:06.54 | maxd | I use wheezy. |
| 00:07.37 | vook | maxd: e2fsprogs |
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| 00:08.18 | vook | you need to resize the partition too, all you did was extend the volume, correct? "parted" can handle everything. |
| 00:08.30 | maxd | vook: e2fsprogs |
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| 00:08.32 | maxd | what command? |
| 00:08.41 | vook | resize2fs |
| 00:08.44 | maxd | ok |
| 00:09.02 | vook | better to do this from a live cd |
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| 00:11.01 | maxd | thank you |
| 00:11.02 | maxd | it worked well |
| 00:11.07 | maxd | online-resize |
| 00:11.12 | maxd | no need for a stupid boot cd and such :D |
| 00:11.23 | maxd | nono, it is a virtual machine and this is an elegant way scaling on demand |
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| 00:12.01 | marioxcc | Hi. When using Sys-V style init. Does changing runlevel stalls if an init script stalls?. |
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| 00:25.26 | beepie | marioxcc, don't think so |
| 00:25.40 | beepie | marioxcc, i suppose there'll be a timeout |
| 00:26.56 | marioxcc | beepie: I suppose that too, but I'd like to know the behavior, rather than just suppose about it. I'm still searching the documentation but I haven't found anything yet. |
| 00:27.12 | marioxcc | When using Sys-V style init. Does changing runlevel stalls if an init script stalls?. |
| 00:27.26 | beepie | marioxcc, maybe you want to check the lsb functions |
| 00:28.18 | marioxcc | beepie: They're called from script, not the other way, AFAIK. |
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| 00:28.54 | beepie | marioxcc, http://smarden.org/runit/sv.8.html |
| 00:29.30 | iio7 | I am trying to watch images via w3m or elinks in konsole (alt+f2), but I don't understand exactly what I need to do. I have installed fbi. |
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| 00:32.24 | iio7 | What do I need? |
| 00:32.41 | beepie | Iiiak, w3m-img |
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| 00:32.47 | marioxcc | beepie: what about it? |
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| 00:33.13 | iio7 | beepie, thats already installed, it doesn't work |
| 00:33.16 | aquatac | hi there |
| 00:33.19 | iio7 | Something about a framebuffer console |
| 00:33.20 | beepie | marioxcc, i'm sure developers considered it, it should be somewhere online |
| 00:33.55 | beepie | marioxcc, systemd is something with time displays of tasks that take long so it's more apparent |
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| 00:34.39 | aquatac | dudes i got a problem which drives me nuts here :( - xrdp - rdp connection from windows 7 - terminal is fetching s, d, w, a and x key as hotkey (i guess) at least it does'nt take those keys... anything else works fine |
| 00:34.40 | beepie | Iiiak, yeah that too |
| 00:34.45 | aquatac | what can i do ? |
| 00:34.52 | tsun | Does rtorrent have an IRC channel? I'm having problems with something... |
| 00:34.55 | beepie | Iiiak, if its not compiled/loaded you may need to redo the kernel |
| 00:34.59 | marioxcc | beepie: Thanks for your time, but knowing that "the developers considered it" doesn't answer my question. Also, systemd has nothing to do with this. |
| 00:36.37 | beepie | marioxcc, of course it does, it's part of the current lsb |
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| 00:36.39 | aquatac | is there any specific keymappings config file for xrdp somewhere ? |
| 00:36.40 | tsun | I assigned multiple directories for specific torrents to be downloaded in, but it won't work |
| 00:36.52 | beepie | marioxcc, systemd now is the default and coexists with sysv |
| 00:37.23 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: startpar is the key bit, and eventually it won't complete if a script never finishes. |
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| 00:37.56 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: but that might not be noticeable, because if it's a small number of scripts, everything that you care about may proceed anyway |
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| 00:39.00 | dondelelcaro | (and if for some reason you don't have startpar, then yes, it's going to block) |
| 00:39.57 | Mike5kt | Hi I want to download Jessie but on this page http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_2/amd64/iso-dvd/ I can see 3 different DVD what are the differences? what should I download and install of the 3? |
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| 00:40.29 | beepie | Mike5kt, no always just cd or dvd #1 |
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| 00:41.11 | Mike5kt | beepie, debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-DVD-1.iso ?? |
| 00:41.16 | beepie | Mike5kt, y |
| 00:41.23 | Mike5kt | beepie, thanks |
| 00:41.30 | beepie | beeps |
| 00:41.38 | beepie | Mike5kt, vbox? |
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| 00:42.07 | Mike5kt | beepie, vbox whay? |
| 00:42.15 | beepie | Mike5kt, and if you need to use it on usb, you simple can use- cat isofile > /dev/[USB DRIVE] (it'll wipe out the entire usb drive) |
| 00:42.18 | Mike5kt | beepie, what* |
| 00:42.19 | beepie | Mike5kt, :) |
| 00:44.32 | Mike5kt | beepie, well I have a hard disk with several OS, I just dont want problem with the grub2 so downloading the dvd I feel safer than just with the small netinst |
| 00:44.33 | beepie | Mike5kt, you never test isoz with vmware/vbox/kvm/* ? |
| 00:45.12 | Mike5kt | beepie, I a newbie so I don't even know whta |
| 00:45.30 | Mike5kt | beepie, what vmare and vbox mean |
| 00:45.33 | beepie | Mike5kt, virtualbox is a sandbox application that "emulates" hardware.. :) https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 00:45.38 | beepie | XD |
| 00:45.43 | beepie | lol |
| 00:46.03 | beepie | Mike5kt, feel free to ask more on #linux , i'm on there too |
| 00:46.19 | beepie | Mike5kt, everyone who tries Linux often use vmware or vbox .. |
| 00:46.35 | Mike5kt | beepie, I will check it, thanks :) |
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| 00:47.12 | aquatac | its especially usefull if youre going to try out new fancy setups - before you actually messup your real installation :P |
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| 00:49.05 | beepie | I figured he was very new teheheh |
| 00:49.22 | beepie | I never started with vbox/vmware back in 2001 XD |
| 00:49.53 | beepie | vbox makes life so much easier, it should be standard |
| 00:50.53 | aquatac | it does yeah |
| 00:51.00 | Mike5kt | got it, I just have a question: In this moment I am on Ubuntu on the desktop I have the access to all other partitions datas... debian wheezy, windows, suse etc. Is this normal? I tought all of theme were tottaly separated. It sound strange to me |
| 00:51.32 | aquatac | you're logged in as root ? |
| 00:51.50 | Mike5kt | no I don't think so |
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| 00:52.20 | beepie | Mike5kt, it's possible to limit dbus/policy kit from loading internal drives, but you'll have to edit a policy somewhere .. this is dbus/policy which is working beyond fstab |
| 00:52.50 | beepie | Mike5kt, it's a pita and not well documented but it can be done |
| 00:53.28 | Mike5kt | beepie, got it thanks |
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| 00:54.43 | beepie | Mike5kt, you likely can unmount it after login (or using an auto-login script) with the udisks command tool which works with dbus |
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| 00:55.35 | beepie | Mike5kt, it should be easier than having to edit a system policy file |
| 00:56.14 | beepie | Mike5kt, (maybe the detach option would take the drive away from the list) |
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| 00:57.28 | aquatac | it should'nt be that important which drives the system has mounted with proper user rights... |
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| 00:58.40 | Mike5kt | beepie, thanks |
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| 00:59.50 | aquatac | i just was able after hours of research to get e19 running on wheezy and now this xrdp shit :( |
| 01:00.06 | aquatac | that makes me crazy |
| 01:00.33 | beepie | aquatac, remmina might do |
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| 01:00.59 | aquatac | oh thank you |
| 01:01.03 | aquatac | i will give it a shoot |
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| 01:03.04 | aquatac | but remmina is a client right ? |
| 01:03.25 | beepie | aquatac, client? yes |
| 01:03.29 | beepie | aquatac, why? |
| 01:03.41 | aquatac | i try to get a rdp session to that debian box from windows |
| 01:03.49 | beepie | aquatac, use x2go |
| 01:03.57 | aquatac | ok thank you beepie |
| 01:04.00 | beepie | aquatac, http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php |
| 01:04.02 | beepie | XD |
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| 01:05.02 | aquatac | after that enlightenment journey i'm feeling actually very comfortable with builing packages :P |
| 01:05.18 | beepie | aquatac, better/more advanced than x2go is ahem nomachine's free remote, but it forces to use the physical console view (so it's not good if someone is using the actual end-station) |
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| 01:05.45 | beepie | wonders of the confusion of "nomachine.com" with freenx ahem |
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| 01:06.07 | beepie | there's a repo so it's a joke to setup |
| 01:06.17 | beepie | aquatac, you'll need to have ssh installed |
| 01:06.24 | beepie | aquatac, on the server end |
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| 01:07.04 | aquatac | thats already running anyways - i will look into both :) thanks a million (purging xrdp) |
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| 01:23.43 | rryoumaa | i compared against the sha1 of a backup, and i found that some files have different shas. does it make sense that /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/net/sched/cls_route.ko would change its contents? |
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| 01:28.55 | squisher | rryoumaa, I just joined, but I'd compare it again using debsums |
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| 01:29.37 | rryoumaa | how? |
| 01:30.01 | rryoumaa | i mean, will that tell me which version is correct? because i don't know if the same pathname can change contents. |
| 01:30.20 | squisher | yes, it will tell you what version is correct |
| 01:30.28 | squisher | that file should not be changing |
| 01:30.36 | squisher | install the package debsums |
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| 01:31.42 | rryoumaa | a whole ton have changed. actually it's not correct that it is a backup. it is another installation (but same host) |
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| 01:32.23 | rryoumaa | debsums -ca does not report those files |
| 01:32.25 | squisher | rryoumaa, then run: debsums $(dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/net/sched/cls_route.ko | cut -d: -f1) |
| 01:33.47 | rryoumaa | no output |
| 01:34.00 | rryoumaa | i mean all ok |
| 01:34.13 | squisher | no, normal output is listing the files and an OK |
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| 01:34.33 | squisher | make sure that 'dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/net/sched/cls_route.ko | cut -d: -f1' results in your kernel package name |
| 01:34.48 | squisher | only if you run it with -s does no output mean it is all ok |
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| 01:35.15 | rryoumaa | i added -s and that one was blank |
| 01:35.21 | rryoumaa | on the host i get 622d58d63f3ceb55dd0c0251b6fe783aa7195f0e for that file |
| 01:35.24 | rryoumaa | for sha1sum |
| 01:36.00 | squisher | run debsums on the other host |
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| 01:36.20 | rryoumaa | and 538ad0d35a1ca2282068c67a7042eeb7cd10ad64 on the other installation |
| 01:36.33 | squisher | also make sure they have _exactly_ the same linux-image package |
| 01:36.58 | rryoumaa | ok, will have to do that when i can |
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| 01:37.36 | squisher | rryoumaa, what is the issue you're trying to resolve? |
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| 01:38.16 | rryoumaa | just comparing the installations to see if there are differences, and wanting to udnerstand why ther are differences |
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| 01:42.04 | iio7 | Okay, this is very I reach the brink of having to smash something with a hammer to get the frustration out: http://pastebin.com/6wL6P3pw |
| 01:42.10 | iio7 | very -> where |
| 01:42.48 | beepie | Iiiak, you also have to check in w3m's settings if it has w3m-img enabled |
| 01:42.48 | iio7 | w3m-img is installed, and the box has been rebooted |
| 01:43.01 | beepie | iio7, <>(previous comment) |
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| 01:44.19 | iio7 | beepie, the "display inline images"? It is set to yes. |
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| 01:44.43 | iio7 | Also "load inline images automatically" |
| 01:45.07 | iio7 | External command to display images "w3mimgdisplay" |
| 01:45.44 | iio7 | Also running w3m in "xterm" works |
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| 01:47.00 | beepie | iio7, can you list fb devices? ( find /dev/fb/) |
| 01:47.29 | iio7 | When I am in TTY2 with fbterm I can run mplayer and watch some movie, louse picture, but it works too. |
| 01:47.48 | iio7 | beepie, /dev/fb0 |
| 01:48.08 | iio7 | and I am in the video group too |
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| 01:48.57 | beepie | i know i've done it before like years ago |
| 01:49.00 | beepie | so i know it can be done |
| 01:49.24 | beepie | you're doing something wrong lol |
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| 01:50.48 | iio7 | beepie, maybe, I have done what I have posted in the pastebin, I am beginning to suspect some messed up fbterm w3m incompatability on Debian Jessie. |
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| 01:57.23 | dvs | That's nice. Idoru? |
| 01:58.50 | eurobit | only seemed to mount on cp2200 and not hp now since power supply problems started |
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| 02:05.57 | marioxcc | Hi. I'm writing a SysV-style init script. Where should I log information, warning and error messages to?. |
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| 02:06.33 | dvs | marioxcc: /var/log ? |
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| 02:09.09 | sand3r | how do i install FUSE library and tools, and , device mapper tools? |
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| 02:10.47 | squisher | sand3r, apt-get install fuse dmsetup |
| 02:11.03 | sand3r | squisher: thanks |
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| 02:11.11 | sand3r | hmh |
| 02:11.25 | sand3r | i cant find full encryptin for debian with truecrypt? |
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| 02:12.02 | squisher | I'd use cryptsetup and then use it for a luks style container |
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| 02:19.13 | sand3r | squisher: i want to use full disk encryption |
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| 02:19.53 | rohanrhu | hi |
| 02:19.56 | squisher | sand3r, so? You can do that |
| 02:20.09 | sand3r | squisher: whats the different cryptsetup and lvm? |
| 02:20.21 | rohanrhu | how to create self signed wildcard certificate |
| 02:20.26 | rohanrhu | i created a self signed certificate common name as domain.com and added it to windows ca list it worked |
| 02:20.36 | rohanrhu | but when i write *.domain.com to common name it did not work |
| 02:20.44 | rohanrhu | what can i do? |
| 02:21.09 | squisher | sand3r, lvm is a logical volume manager and allows you to have a lot of flexibility with your partitioning - it has nothing to do with crypto |
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| 02:24.05 | sand3r | squisher: so could i use lvm for full disk encryption? somebody told me this.. |
| 02:24.35 | squisher | sand3r, no, usually you do full disk encryption and then setup lvm inside of the crypto container so that you can have several partitions |
| 02:25.16 | marioxcc | Hi. I'm writing a SysV-style init script. Where should I log information, warning and error messages to?. |
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| 02:26.33 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Where are the apache config files again? |
| 02:26.43 | eurobit | one slight disk hickkup and you will regret the disk encryption |
| 02:26.56 | eurobit | Lady_Aleena: again? |
| 02:27.14 | Lady_Aleena | I asked about a year ago, I think. |
| 02:28.00 | squisher | eurobit, one unlucky hick-up and you can loose any important file. Backups are important no matter what. Full disk encryption is a good idea in many situations. |
| 02:28.11 | sand3r | eurobit: what you mean by that? is it hard to do full encryption? |
| 02:28.31 | sand3r | :) |
| 02:29.05 | eurobit | backups of the encrypted files in the clear ? or do you backup the hickup too? |
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| 02:29.45 | eurobit | sand3r: use gnupg for individial important file encryption not whole file systems ? why encrypt libs that everyone has |
| 02:30.21 | squisher | I encrypt only /home on my (personal) laptop for that reason |
| 02:30.23 | sand3r | eurobit: please explain what you mean "hickup"? |
| 02:30.45 | `Kevin | eurobit: bcrypt works well too for individual ;) |
| 02:30.52 | sand3r | eurobit: and why not use full disk encryption? |
| 02:30.59 | eurobit | sand3r: follow `Kevin and squisher - |
| 02:32.45 | sand3r | i still want full disk encryption , and i see no idea why not? |
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| 02:33.21 | sand3r | eurobit: if you could explain more then "point ur finger" |
| 02:33.24 | sand3r | it would be nice.. |
| 02:33.26 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, since Debian broke up httpd.conf over a LOT of files, I need to know where to enable server side includes. |
| 02:33.57 | squisher | sand3r, google it, there must be a ton of tutorials. Even the debian installer supports it. |
| 02:34.22 | `Kevin | sand3r: instead of looking for benefits of it go find the drawbacks, put some research into it.... |
| 02:34.44 | `Kevin | else you are just putting your data at risk of being lost |
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| 02:36.30 | wiml | Lady_Aleena: probably you can find the relevant inclue in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and follow that to whatever conf file holds ssi stuff |
| 02:37.15 | Lady_Aleena | Is there any way I can make ALL configuration files for ALL programs editable be me in whatever text editor I choose? |
| 02:37.41 | eurobit | ssi includes are just Options +Includes |
| 02:38.00 | eurobit | there should be examples of it - to uncomment - etc in the conf files |
| 02:38.06 | Lady_Aleena | I just tried adding a line to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default in my text editor, and I couldn't save it. |
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| 02:38.40 | styks194 | sudo is required |
| 02:38.54 | Lady_Aleena | eurobit, I just looked in 000-default, and they should be working, but are not. |
| 02:39.01 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: That's probably because you lack the UNIX permission to edit the file. You can edit is as the superuser, or copy it to your home directory, edit as your normal user, and then copy it back (as superuser) |
| 02:39.06 | Lady_Aleena | styks194, I can't sudo open files in my text editor. |
| 02:39.36 | Lady_Aleena | marioxcc, that is a lot of work to add just one line to a config file. |
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| 02:40.06 | Lady_Aleena | bashes her head against permissions which drive her crazy! |
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| 02:40.28 | eurobit | Lady_Aleena: use su to be root when working on config |
| 02:40.42 | styks194 | your text editor on your computer or on the server? |
| 02:40.42 | Lady_Aleena | eurobit, again, can't use su or sudo in my text editor! |
| 02:40.59 | styks194 | you need to login as root then |
| 02:41.02 | Lady_Aleena | styks194, my computer has apache installed. |
| 02:41.05 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: In GNU Emacs you can just open the file with tramp. Like I told you, you can edit as superuser, do "sudo EDITOR file" |
| 02:41.17 | Lady_Aleena | marioxcc, I using Notepad++. |
| 02:41.20 | john_rambo | I am using Wheezy/LXDE ..... Are there any Update Manager available ..so that I get notifications of new updates ? |
| 02:41.22 | Lady_Aleena | s/using/use/ |
| 02:41.53 | styks194 | so you are editing a file on your local install? |
| 02:41.54 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: I don't know what it's command name, but supposing you were to use nano, it would be "sudo nano <CONF_FILE>" |
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| 02:42.12 | styks194 | ^^ |
| 02:42.53 | Lady_Aleena | So, do I add "AddType text/html .shtml" to the 000-default file? |
| 02:43.01 | marioxcc | Lady_Aleena: UNIX permissions are there to protect you, but if you really want to ignore the protection, you can log in as root. UNIX-like OS don't prevent you from "shotting yourself in the foot" if you want to. |
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| 02:43.23 | marioxcc | (you should do only the minimum necessary as root, and the rest as unprivileged user) |
| 02:44.07 | Lady_Aleena | So which file do I edit to add "AddType text/html .shtml" so my server side includes show up? |
| 02:44.09 | marioxcc | There's also a "visudo" command that comes with sudo. |
| 02:44.30 | marioxcc | The FSF is asking for donations, donate and help them to reach their goal to defend our freedom. |
| 02:44.41 | Lady_Aleena | marioxcc, let's let the whole permissions thing die and get back to making my .shtml files display properly, please?! |
| 02:44.41 | marioxcc | <https://my.fsf.org/donate/> |
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| 02:45.18 | wiml | Some desktop environments have a convenient "run this program as root" graphical sudo-equivalent you can use for editors and xterms. Dunno much about them though |
| 02:45.18 | styks194 | page not found |
| 02:45.19 | eurobit | so this is what the channel becomes without the iron fist of abrotman |
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| 02:45.58 | squisher | marioxcc, that's spam, even if it's for a good cause |
| 02:46.37 | Lady_Aleena | Please please please, can someone tell me which of these myriad of files do I edit to get my .shtml files to appear correctly in my browser? |
| 02:46.57 | marioxcc | squisher: It's not more that supporting proprietary software, which is "not part of Debian". |
| 02:47.12 | Lady_Aleena | Debian broke up httpd.conf into a lot of teensy tiny files and now I can't find anything. |
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| 02:48.07 | Lady_Aleena | This is driving me crazy. I have .shtml files I want to display in my browser, yet, I can't find where to add the lines to make .shtml files work. |
| 02:48.10 | eurobit | Lady_Aleena: why not grep for SSI |
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| 02:49.01 | Lady_Aleena | eurobit, the lines I have to add are "Options +Includes" and "AddType text/html .shtml" and I don't know which file to add them to. |
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| 02:49.31 | eurobit | unless debian removed all the 'helpful' original comments .... |
| 02:51.17 | centrx | woops |
| 02:51.46 | Lady_Aleena | There are now 100 files where I used to have just 1 on Windows! |
| 02:52.25 | Lady_Aleena | Why oh why did Debian HAVE to break up httpd.conf? |
| 02:52.41 | eurobit | centrx: are you the guy who broke up all of Lady_Aleena conf files? |
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| 02:52.47 | wiml | Lady_Aleena: I think sites-enabled/000-default.conf is the right file, that's the one you tried to edit already right? You just need to run notepad (or some other editor) with enough privs to edit it. |
| 02:52.57 | styks194 | because it makes a lot more sense. |
| 02:53.02 | Aldebaran | https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=7E670F18C859200E!1557&authkey=!AE5w8gh1GGuv0T0&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng |
| 02:53.51 | wiml | Lady_Aleena: open a terminal and type "sudo notepa" and TAB to complete that to the name of your editor maybe? |
| 02:54.14 | eurobit | notepad? |
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| 02:54.30 | eurobit | Lady_Aleena: man up and use vi/vim ;) |
| 02:54.34 | wiml | (I've never used notepad++, I don't know what its executable is called) |
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| 02:54.59 | wiml | or, yeah, learn vi/nano/vim/emacs, but that's more of a long term solution :) |
| 02:55.01 | Lady_Aleena | eurobit, Notepad++ not Notepad. |
| 02:55.15 | eurobit | the files know what is trying to edit them and if you use editors other then vi/vim they rebel |
| 02:55.18 | Lady_Aleena | wiml, they don't have everything I need to edit things. |
| 02:55.26 | Aldebaran | ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3399999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 02:55.27 | ross` | can someone help me, i installed dovecot-imapd, exim4, and squirrelmail, i have exim4 configured to use Maildir and squirrelmail is giving an error: ERROR: Could not complete request. |
| 02:55.31 | ross` | Query: SELECT "INBOX" |
| 02:55.40 | Aldebaran | sorry |
| 02:55.51 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: because when you update httpd it doesnt overwrite your config changes .... it can update configs without touching the ones you edit. |
| 02:55.51 | eurobit | ross does the maildir exist? |
| 02:55.59 | ross` | eurobit: yep |
| 02:56.05 | ross` | eurobit: ~/Maildir |
| 02:56.11 | eurobit | with correct permissions? |
| 02:56.14 | ross` | 644 |
| 02:56.42 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: the config model is a great approach with sites-available and site-enabled when using symlinks to enable configs |
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| 02:56.57 | ross` | actually i lied, it's ~/mail |
| 02:57.01 | ross` | and it was auto created |
| 02:57.11 | ross` | with the sub files in it |
| 02:57.49 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: and yes they do have everything you need, as suggested before you need to learn how to properly use them |
| 02:58.17 | ross` | kevin are you kevin`? |
| 02:59.01 | `Kevin | not likely, id say many peoples clients append the ` if kevin is in use :P |
| 03:01.34 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: you can add both of those in the virtualhost configuration |
| 03:01.40 | eurobit | `Kevin: are you `Kevin_ ? |
| 03:01.41 | wiml | Is this the Windows Notepad++ running under WINE, or what? The notepadqq clone of notepad++? Regardless, if you can figure out how to invoke it from the command line, you can prefix that with "sudo " to get a copy of it running with root privileges and you can then edit config files to your heart's content. |
| 03:01.43 | `Kevin | or if you edit other files globally |
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| 03:01.58 | ross` | ugh! i can't get squirrelmail working properly >< |
| 03:02.03 | `Kevin | wiml: dont even bring it up,the clone isnt even good enough apparently |
| 03:02.08 | `Kevin | lol |
| 03:02.12 | Lady_Aleena | I don't want to discuss my text editor right now, I want to get my damned .shtml files to display correctly in the browser! |
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| 03:02.17 | ross` | when i login to squirrelmail it auto makes ~/mail like it shuold |
| 03:02.21 | ross` | but then gives me an error |
| 03:02.23 | ross` | can someone help |
| 03:02.27 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: so edit your vhost config file in sites-enabled |
| 03:02.36 | Aldebaran | - |
| 03:02.42 | wiml | Heh, I wouldn't know, I'm a diehard vi+emacs fan, but I don't think learning a new editor is what Lady_Aleena needs right now |
| 03:02.46 | Aldebaran | https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=7E670F18C859200E!1557&authkey=!AE5w8gh1GGuv0T0&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng[[[[[[[[-bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 03:02.54 | `Kevin | wiml: its one thing :P |
| 03:03.00 | Lady_Aleena | I am lost in all the files which Debian created and I don't know where to add the line "AddType text/html .shtml" in the damned thing. |
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| 03:03.20 | eurobit | lol |
| 03:03.28 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: all the files are included and pulled back into the main config you are over thinking this issue. |
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| 03:04.03 | Lady_Aleena | How do I paste in nano? |
| 03:04.03 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: edit the correct file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ .... |
| 03:04.44 | eurobit | debians separation of apache conf files is to being a server admin as organic chemistry is to being a doctor |
| 03:04.46 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: middle click or try ctrl-shift-v |
| 03:05.20 | `Kevin | eurobit: it works well ;P |
| 03:06.05 | eurobit | :) |
| 03:06.07 | pingfloyd | eurobit: are you saying it's good or bad? |
| 03:06.10 | eurobit | good |
| 03:06.50 | Lady_Aleena | gives up. It looks like she will never get her .shtml files to work on her computer. |
| 03:07.33 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: what does ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled output? |
| 03:07.54 | Lady_Aleena | http://pastie.org/9775395 |
| 03:08.05 | ross` | can someone help me? INBOX.Drafts and INBOX.Trash works fine.. |
| 03:08.07 | eurobit | Lady_Aleena: how you listen for second and grep -r SSI . |
| 03:08.10 | pingfloyd | split confs aren't bad as long as it is clear what settings are in which conf files |
| 03:08.15 | ross` | but Sent and INBOX don't work |
| 03:08.21 | ross` | this is driving me crazy |
| 03:09.15 | ross` | why is inbox not working |
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| 03:10.59 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: ok what happens when you goto the .shtml in a browser? |
| 03:11.07 | pingfloyd | ross`: inbox for what? |
| 03:11.26 | ross` | pingfloyd: squirrelmail |
| 03:11.41 | ross` | this is so bizarre when i login it creates ~/mail fine |
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| 03:12.01 | ross` | but with Draft INBOX.Sent Trash |
| 03:12.08 | ross` | those are clickable and work |
| 03:12.10 | pingfloyd | ross`: did you see this? http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/InvalidMailboxName |
| 03:12.10 | ross` | but INBOX doesn't |
| 03:12.24 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, the includes DO NOT SHOW UP! |
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| 03:12.44 | ross` | yes i did that |
| 03:12.58 | ross` | pingfloyd: it didn't change INBOX.Sent to Sent |
| 03:13.00 | ross` | but first of all |
| 03:13.03 | ross` | why is INBOX not working!?? |
| 03:13.13 | pingfloyd | ross`: not saying you did, but that's a caveat to be aware of |
| 03:13.44 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: do a simple shtml, does it work at all? |
| 03:13.58 | `Kevin | eg > http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/webmaster/article.php/3473341#can |
| 03:14.19 | pingfloyd | ross`: what is the error message you get? |
| 03:14.44 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, I just did, nothing. |
| 03:15.04 | ross` | ERROR: Could not complete request. |
| 03:15.05 | ross` | Query: SELECT "INBOX" |
| 03:15.11 | ross` | the weird thing is |
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| 03:15.19 | ross` | the sub folders are clickable and work fine |
| 03:15.22 | ross` | and are generated |
| 03:15.25 | pingfloyd | ross`: did you see the section on debian on that page, that's same error message |
| 03:15.27 | ross` | i didn't change any settings fresh install |
| 03:15.43 | eurobit | any one suggest to the new httpd admin to restart her server? |
| 03:15.55 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: did you a2enmod includes ? |
| 03:16.00 | `Kevin | include * |
| 03:16.17 | ross` | pingfloyd: yes, i didn't have that problem |
| 03:16.29 | pingfloyd | ross`: it says to edit the /etc/squirrelmail/config.php to have this setting $default_folder_prefix = '.'; |
| 03:16.32 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, what is that? |
| 03:16.35 | pingfloyd | ross`: did you try that? |
| 03:16.40 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: |
| 03:16.45 | `Kevin | sudo a2enmod include |
| 03:16.57 | `Kevin | enables the apache module |
| 03:17.05 | `Kevin | you still have to reload apache |
| 03:17.58 | ross` | that isn't the problem |
| 03:18.05 | ross` | just changes the files that are created by default |
| 03:18.14 | ross` | which makes a symantic change |
| 03:18.21 | ross` | it still won't show my inbox folder |
| 03:18.24 | ross` | but sub fodlers work find |
| 03:18.25 | ross` | fine |
| 03:18.33 | eurobit | ross`: are you an anti-symantite? |
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| 03:18.34 | pingfloyd | ross`: I would still test it |
| 03:18.43 | ross` | pingfloyd: i ddi |
| 03:18.44 | pingfloyd | concluding before testing is no way to troubleshoot |
| 03:18.44 | ross` | i did |
| 03:19.10 | pingfloyd | ross`: did you restart all the necessary services? |
| 03:19.16 | pingfloyd | after the change? |
| 03:19.25 | ross` | nothing needs to be restarted, you see changes by relogging in |
| 03:19.37 | ross` | rm -rf ~/mail |
| 03:19.38 | ross` | and relogging in |
| 03:19.48 | ross` | recreated fiels as .INBOX.SENT etc |
| 03:19.53 | ross` | and they still work |
| 03:19.59 | ross` | but INBOX does not |
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| 03:21.14 | pingfloyd | ross`: as in doesn't receive mail? |
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| 03:21.48 | pingfloyd | maybe squirelmail isn't the problem but with the mta configuration |
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| 03:22.53 | Lady_Aleena | Finally! THANK YOU `Kevin sudo a2enmod include worked! |
| 03:22.58 | ross` | pingfloyd: it's not that i'm pretty sure. |
| 03:23.13 | ross` | anyway it should work plug and play with exim4 |
| 03:23.14 | ross` | and dovecot |
| 03:23.45 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: no problem |
| 03:24.17 | pingfloyd | ross`: I'd still made sure the mail is delivering where expected |
| 03:24.22 | pingfloyd | *make |
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| 03:25.08 | pingfloyd | you said inbox doesn't work, which is very ambiguous, but I presume you mean it isn't being populated with expected email |
| 03:25.29 | ross` | i can even make subfolders of inbox.. |
| 03:25.40 | ross` | no like it's not the MTA not working |
| 03:25.42 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: look up a2enmod and look at which apache modules are enabled and what are available |
| 03:25.48 | ross` | it's the fact that it can't see the INBOX folder or something |
| 03:25.49 | `Kevin | you will begin to see how apache is setup |
| 03:25.53 | pingfloyd | ross`: that second issue sounds like a permissions issue |
| 03:25.56 | ross` | i've setup squirrelmail 4 times in the past and never seen this |
| 03:26.05 | ross` | pingfloyd: if it were a perm issue it wouldn't be making the sub folders tho |
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| 03:26.24 | ross` | I'm comparing this installation to another debian installation which had no problem and i can't find any differences |
| 03:26.53 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: you have mods-enabled sites-enabled, and mods-available sites-available in /etc/apache2 |
| 03:27.01 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: get used to the layout it becomes very useful |
| 03:27.07 | ross` | like making a sub folder of inbox MADE an INBOX folder |
| 03:27.11 | ross` | i don't understand |
| 03:27.14 | ross` | and yet it won't show up |
| 03:27.18 | pingfloyd | ross`: then maybe something has changed between versions or you encountered a bug |
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| 03:27.31 | Lady_Aleena | `Kevin, I just wanted .shtml files to work. Now they do. |
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| 03:27.52 | `Kevin | Lady_Aleena: I understand, im just saying get familiar with the setup so its easy for you :) |
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| 03:28.16 | pingfloyd | ross`: one thing you could do is check all the changelogs between the version that worked and the current one |
| 03:28.38 | `Kevin | else you may end up pulling your hair out during an outage or etc |
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| 03:28.57 | pingfloyd | ross`: probably would be good to check for bug reports too |
| 03:29.54 | ross` | pingfloyd: this is debian tho |
| 03:30.04 | ross` | pingfloyd: this should just work |
| 03:30.19 | pingfloyd | ross`: true |
| 03:30.22 | pingfloyd | that's the idea anyway |
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| 03:30.58 | pingfloyd | ross`: there could be some regression going on between versions |
| 03:32.03 | ross` | this is insane, i see no problem :O |
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| 03:33.45 | pingfloyd | ross`: seen this one? http://serverfault.com/questions/358961/cant-view-email-in-inbox-throught-squirrelmail-only-in-var-mail-user |
| 03:34.11 | Inst | meow |
| 03:34.24 | maxd | So this is strange. |
| 03:34.32 | maxd | apt uses a proxy and this works fine |
| 03:34.42 | maxd | except when trying to install package debian-goodies |
| 03:34.47 | maxd | it will fail, connection refused |
| 03:34.50 | maxd | but only for this particular packages |
| 03:34.54 | maxd | all other packages install fine. |
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| 03:37.32 | auscompgeek | the proxy is probably filtering based on the url |
| 03:38.23 | maxd | hm |
| 03:38.27 | maxd | this could be |
| 03:38.29 | maxd | I check that |
| 03:38.33 | pingfloyd | maxd: what error message does it give? |
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| 03:39.16 | ross` | pingfloyd: thanks that looks good but i'm getting a dovecot error now |
| 03:39.19 | pingfloyd | maxd: it would probably be helpful if you pastebin apt's output |
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| 03:39.36 | pingfloyd | ross`: well that's progress at least :) |
| 03:39.38 | ross` | Unknown setting: home_mailbox |
| 03:39.45 | ross` | lol |
| 03:39.45 | maxd | ok |
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| 03:40.00 | pingfloyd | ross`: sometimes changing error conditions helps though, because then you can correlate things |
| 03:40.09 | ross` | oh |
| 03:40.11 | ross` | i'm using dovecot |
| 03:40.22 | pingfloyd | starts revealing more clues what may be happening |
| 03:40.39 | ross` | Now i just get connection dropped by imap server |
| 03:40.41 | ross` | that's nice |
| 03:41.01 | pingfloyd | ross`: seems like what I was reading is that dovecot doesn't play so nice with it |
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| 03:43.20 | pingfloyd | ross`: did you see this one? http://www.debian-tutorials.com/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-dovecot-and-squirrelmail-on-debian-linux |
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| 03:48.17 | ross` | host mail.falls.ninja [104.236.124.210]: 550 relay not permitted |
| 03:48.19 | ross` | darn |
| 03:48.22 | ross` | so i can send mail |
| 03:48.26 | ross` | but not recieve |
| 03:48.29 | ross` | what should i check |
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| 03:57.56 | Lady_Aleena | has a terrific headache now. |
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| 03:58.09 | ross` | can someone help me figure out why exim4 is returning mail |
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| 04:06.15 | aypea[1] | Lady_Aleena: on the up side, it's not a lousy headache. |
| 04:06.45 | Lady_Aleena | aypea[1], right now I am trying not to break down into tears. |
| 04:07.28 | maxd | using netstat |
| 04:07.29 | maxd | what means this flag in list 'TIME_WAIT' ? |
| 04:08.41 | aypea[1] | Lady_Aleena: tried going into a dark, quiet room? assuming you've no anti-headache tablets. |
| 04:08.46 | Lady_Aleena | The two programs I depended on NOT changing between Windows XP and Debian Wheezy changed on me. Tonight was just another example of what I have lost in the switch. |
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| 04:11.13 | Lady_Aleena | aypea[1], it is more a spiritual headache than an physical headache. |
| 04:11.23 | aypea[1] | Lady_Aleena: ah. |
| 04:11.29 | aypea[1] | Lady_Aleena: what software, btw? |
| 04:11.35 | Lady_Aleena | perl and apache |
| 04:11.47 | aypea[1] | wow. they changed significantly on you? |
| 04:12.47 | Lady_Aleena | Well, with perl on Windows XP I don't have to be root to cpan modules and I can run perl scripts without any special characters in front of the names. |
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| 04:13.27 | Lady_Aleena | With apache on Windows XP, there was just 1 config file. On Debian, there are 100 files. |
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| 04:14.12 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: well, to cpan modules to the system install, you need to have write access to the directory. |
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| 04:15.15 | auscompgeek | that isn't really different to windows at all |
| 04:15.26 | Lady_Aleena | I am almost to the point where I remember to "sudo cpan Module::Name" instead of "cpan Module::Name", and typing "./" before my script names to run them. |
| 04:16.03 | auscompgeek | also, running perl scripts by just typing `perl <filename>` has always worked for me |
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| 04:16.32 | auscompgeek | without having to explicitly specify the current directory |
| 04:16.34 | Lady_Aleena | auscompgeek, I was used to running them with just the file name. |
| 04:17.01 | auscompgeek | and I'm saying it works just fine like that for me |
| 04:18.08 | auscompgeek | so unless you've given your perl scripts extr -- oh I see what you mean now |
| 04:18.18 | Lady_Aleena | Is the use of backticks (`...`) something special? I usually just quote things with '...'. |
| 04:18.40 | auscompgeek | I'm just used to writing Markdown, that's all. |
| 04:18.56 | Lady_Aleena | I've seen a few people using backticks to quote instead of just single or double quotes. |
| 04:19.06 | Carlito | hi guys I am in Debian Jessie installed right now, when I try to put the root password in the terminal it says that: ME is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. what shoud I do? |
| 04:19.16 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: but yeah, the shell doesn't look in the current directory for executables, normally. |
| 04:19.55 | Lady_Aleena | It is also a hassle to have to chmod 755 everything I write. |
| 04:19.56 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: you can "fix" that by putting the current directory in your PATH, if you wish, but that potentially opens up a security risk. |
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| 04:20.28 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: yeah, if you don't want to chmod your scripts, you can just execute `perl <filename>`. |
| 04:21.00 | Lady_Aleena | auscompgeek, I have a whole directory TREE (with hundreds of subdirectories) which would need to be in my PATH. |
| 04:21.51 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: ... are you saying you had hundreds of directories in your PATH on Windows? :| |
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| 04:22.17 | Lady_Aleena | auscompgeek, I am sort of used to chmod 755 everything. It is the one thing I've been using for a while since I started up a website. |
| 04:22.38 | Lady_Aleena | auscompgeek, I think in Windows everything is executable. |
| 04:23.02 | Carlito | helloo |
| 04:23.21 | auscompgeek | Carlito: su != sudo |
| 04:24.31 | auscompgeek | Lady_Aleena: Windows is braindead and just calls whatever the file association is when you try to "run" a file in cmd. |
| 04:24.51 | Lady_Aleena | auscompgeek, which is what I had come to depend on. |
| 04:26.55 | Carlito | auscompgeek: thanks with su it works as root but not with sudo, usually I use it, why this happens? |
| 04:26.56 | Lady_Aleena | I still add .txt to the end of text files, even if I don't need to. |
| 04:27.16 | auscompgeek | Carlito: sudo asks for *your* password. |
| 04:27.26 | auscompgeek | Carlito: (at least by default) |
| 04:27.49 | Carlito | auscompgeek: yes but it doesn't allow me to use it |
| 04:28.29 | Carlito | auscompgeek: I am not in the sudoers file |
| 04:28.29 | auscompgeek | Carlito: probably because the sudoers file says that you're not allowed to use sudo? |
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| 04:29.21 | auscompgeek | !tell Carlito about sudo |
| 04:29.37 | Carlito | auscompgeek: I remember I had the same problem with Wheezy and someone on this chat helped me, now I forget it how to do |
| 04:30.31 | auscompgeek | see what dpkg told you |
| 04:31.08 | Carlito | auscompgeek: how to see dpkg? |
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| 04:31.21 | auscompgeek | Carlito: dpkg sent you a message |
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| 04:33.51 | Carlito | I should insert my username in a list to allow me to use sudo but I don't know how |
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| 04:34.47 | daweefolk | why would elinks, and only elinks, not load pages? I can still load them in links or lynx but nothing loads in elinks |
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| 04:35.21 | chops_ | daweefolk: IPv6 issue and elinks is the only one that tries to use IPv6 if it's available? |
| 04:35.26 | Lady_Aleena | Carlito, I think there is something called sudoers you could add yourself to, though I am not sure. |
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| 04:35.44 | daweefolk | chops: maybe, I'll check it out |
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| 04:35.57 | chops_ | daweefolk: $HTTP_PROXY is set and only elinks is checking it? |
| 04:35.59 | chops_ | daweefolk: (Disclaimer: I am guessing) |
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| 04:36.39 | daweefolk | http_proxy is not set to anything |
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| 04:38.08 | Carlito | now ai have read thx |
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| 04:39.01 | daweefolk | chops: disabled using ipv6 and still no go. it seems to happen more on https than http, the error I got was "bad http response" just now |
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| 04:40.08 | chops_ | daweefolk: Try strace to debug further? Is the file you're requesting extremely large or for some reason the web server's response would be hugely delayed (such that a shorter timeout would cause an issue)? |
| 04:40.27 | chops_ | daweefolk: I'm more or less out of random guesses, what I'd do next is try strace and see what you see |
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| 04:43.40 | daweefolk | most pages "load" to a blank window but the statusbar says "ok" like the page is finished loading. btw how does one use strace? |
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| 04:44.50 | chops_ | daweefolk: 1. Start elinks. 2. From a separate window, type 'strace -p 1234', where '1234' is the PID of the elinks process. 3. Load the page in elinks, and watch the output of strace in the separate window to see a rough overview of what system calls elinks is making. |
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| 04:45.34 | chops_ | daweefolk: See the strace man page for more. The point is, you might see something obviously wrong in the strace output (elinks is talking to a wrong IP address, or its network requests are timing out, or it's not making any network requests when it should be). |
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| 04:48.45 | daweefolk | when I try the strace command (strace -p 7056 in my case) I get the following output: "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): no such process |
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| 04:51.33 | chops_ | daweefolk: Huh, strange. I have to run now -- hope things work out well whether with strace or some other method |
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| 04:51.55 | daweefolk | thanks |
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| 04:56.40 | Mike632 | Hi everyone I have installed Jessie, tried to install xchat from synaptic it has asked me for the installation dvd, I havent find other ways to install it from the net, how can I change this thing? |
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| 04:58.29 | Mike632 | beepie, hi I have finally installed jessie but to install new software from synaptic it has asked me for the installation dvd, I havent find other ways to install it from the net, how can I change it? |
| 04:59.15 | beepie | !sources |
| 04:59.15 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:59.57 | beepie | Mike632, there should also be a update source gui tool from the menu |
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| 05:00.32 | ctmjr | Mike632, you need to comment out the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:01.03 | beepie | !mirror |
| 05:01.03 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:01.51 | Mike632 | guys I don't know how to do many things can u help me? |
| 05:01.52 | beepie | I forget the name |
| 05:02.03 | ctmjr | beepie, that has nothing to do with his problem |
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| 05:02.17 | Mike632 | i not even know how to add that in the list |
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| 05:03.58 | beepie | Mike632, there's an example in /usr/share/doc/<apt>/examples |
| 05:04.39 | beepie | Mike632, either edit sources.list or add a something.list to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<added .list> |
| 05:05.08 | beepie | Mike632, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html#sect.apt-sources.list |
| 05:05.43 | beepie | Mike632, there's a gui as I said which makes it easier but I forget the name, the installer may have placed it in the menu |
| 05:06.15 | beepie | (you might be able to access it with synaptic, I don't use synaptic) |
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| 05:06.37 | Mike632 | beepie, synaptic? |
| 05:07.12 | beepie | you said synaptic above, it's possible the 'update sources' gui tool can be started from it |
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| 05:07.34 | beepie | Mike632, whether you can do it or not, either way edits /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:08.19 | beepie | Mike632, even with the gui tool you still have to insert the full deb source path... |
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| 05:14.12 | Mike632 | http://paste.debian.net/136134/ |
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| 05:19.07 | ctmjr | Mike632, maybe you should consider installing the stable release and stay away from jessie for awhile till you get use to debian |
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| 05:20.57 | vook | Anyone know if it's possible to set up a xen hpc cluster in such a way that, for example, two 8 core systems could support a single 12 core vm, spread across the two? |
| 05:21.29 | vook | or something other than xen for that matter |
| 05:22.02 | Mike632 | ctmjr, wheezy has problem in the visualization of charachters maybe has some old codec or something that nobody has fixed. jessie has not this problem |
| 05:22.35 | wheezyPUP | which character was Jessie ? |
| 05:23.00 | Mike632 | ctmjr, i have a eyes problem, wheezy makes my yes very tired |
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| 05:23.13 | Mike632 | my eyes* |
| 05:23.17 | beepie | Mike632, http://pastebin.com/uMwL4eJP , just replace wheezy with jessie |
| 05:23.30 | auscompgeek | wheezyPUP: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jessie+toy+story ? |
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| 05:24.20 | beepie | Mike632, then apt-get update, or use synpatic to update the indexes and comment-out the cdrom repo setting |
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| 05:25.14 | Mike632 | let's see.... |
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| 05:26.03 | beepie | Mike632, the example similar to it is there if you looked on your system |
| 05:26.49 | ctmjr | Mike632, and for help with testing you can ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:26.52 | beepie | Mike632, if you're not in italy then you'll just pick a closer mirror, and edit those paths from the webpage with the mirrorlist |
| 05:28.59 | wheezyPUP | so... jessie is out... or, still in testing ? |
| 05:29.01 | Mike632 | beepie, i am italian like you |
| 05:30.01 | Mike632 | ctmjr, there is nobody there to help me |
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| 05:32.42 | ctmjr | Mike632, do as beepie said to get your sources list straight, the #debian-next was for in the future if you have problems |
| 05:33.05 | Mike632 | ctmjr, sure, thanks |
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| 05:34.32 | beepie | Mike632, i'm not in italy, I noticed you were calling from this area so i went with the main italy source from -> https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:35.18 | beepie | !beeps |
| 05:35.24 | Mike632 | beepie, oh ok thanks :) |
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| 05:37.06 | beepie | acknowleges the passing of the great J.Beliveau from his hometown Montreal |
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| 05:37.28 | Mike632 | beepie, but usually i prefer to download from a main server, usually from usa because mirrors sometimes are not so updated like there in the usa isn't it? and anyway I use always the english version never the italian |
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| 05:38.10 | beepie | Mike632, http://mirror.debian.org/report/report.txt |
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| 05:39.55 | beepie | Mike632, looks like there's 10 in italy |
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| 05:40.44 | beepie | Mike632, if you're not happy with the one you have then simply subs with the available |
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| 05:41.39 | Mike632 | beepie, i see |
| 05:41.41 | beepie | Mike632, usually with jessie/testing it's not up-to-the-day exactly, or as "often" of course.. jessie testing is constantly getting updated |
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| 05:42.14 | wheezyPUP | beepie do you know... once it is frozen, still are updates ? |
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| 05:42.24 | beepie | wheezyPUP, of course |
| 05:42.33 | wheezyPUP | ah thanks |
| 05:42.35 | beepie | wheezyPUP, the <>-updates |
| 05:42.38 | Mike632 | beepie, got it |
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| 05:42.45 | beepie | wheezyPUP, you add jessie-updates |
| 05:43.05 | wheezyPUP | oic |
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| 05:43.20 | valdez--- | What is the eol on debian wheezy? 1 year after jessie is released? |
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| 05:58.21 | man232 | hello, I can't find the libdb's DEB file. |
| 05:58.25 | man232 | Where is it |
| 05:58.27 | man232 | ? |
| 05:58.42 | man232 | I can't download it via APT because it says "503 Service Unavailable" |
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| 06:01.44 | rommel092079 | hello guys I am new to debian. I come from centos. with centos, to work with iptables, i can issue terminal command like service iptables start or stop but I cant do that on debian and it will say iptables: unrecognized service. my question is, how do I work with iptables in debian like i do in centos? |
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| 06:02.16 | beepie | rommel092079, debian 8 ? |
| 06:02.37 | beepie | rommel092079, iptables-persistent? |
| 06:03.12 | rommel092079 | beepie, can you show me some example how because I have not done this before. |
| 06:03.13 | beepie | noticed the netfilter-persistent package is new in jessie |
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| 06:03.46 | beepie | rommel092079, over here it's /etc/iptables/rules.v4 , iptables-persistent and netfilter-persistent package should be both installed |
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| 06:04.53 | man232 | NVM, I found it |
| 06:05.01 | beepie | rommel092079, you use iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 for running rules to be saved |
| 06:05.04 | rommel092079 | apt-get install iptables-persistent netfilter-persistent |
| 06:05.08 | rommel092079 | is that right? |
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| 06:05.15 | beepie | y try that |
| 06:05.35 | beepie | netfilter-persistent is new in jessie so you wouldn't see it widely documented online |
| 06:05.37 | rommel092079 | ok. |
| 06:05.47 | beepie | (due to systemd) |
| 06:06.11 | rommel092079 | so iptables-save to save the rule, what about starting and stopping? |
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| 06:06.32 | man232 | I can't find the libssl pkg.. can someone tell me where it is? |
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| 06:08.17 | beepie | rommel092079, systemd restart netfilter-persistent, which does the same as iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 06:08.47 | beepie | rommel092079, say you're messing around with iptables and just want to restore the way you had it, you can restore it one way or another |
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| 06:08.52 | man232 | I can't find the libssl pkg.. can someone tell me where it is? |
| 06:09.02 | man232 | Hello? Someone? |
| 06:09.02 | beepie | rommel092079, (or /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent restart, if you like typing out init.d :) |
| 06:09.22 | man232 | http://pastebin.com/yKPTsmP6 |
| 06:09.27 | beepie | rommel092079, if you don't see netfilter-persistent then you're using wheezy |
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| 06:09.50 | man232 | hello! |
| 06:10.01 | rommel092079 | yes i am using wheezy yet. i am in the process of updating still now |
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| 06:10.19 | rommel092079 | so you mean /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent is used for start | stop | restart |
| 06:10.19 | beepie | rommel092079, then it's /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent restart .. |
| 06:10.29 | beepie | rommel092079, the iptables-save command should be there |
| 06:10.38 | man232 | c'mon... |
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| 06:11.03 | beepie | rommel092079, a simple test is -> iptables -P FORWARD DROP , iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 , then /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent restart |
| 06:11.20 | rommel092079 | got it |
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| 06:11.50 | beepie | XD |
| 06:12.04 | beepie | rommel092079, jessie is quite functional, |
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| 06:12.29 | rommel092079 | so it uses /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent unlike centos its service iptables start|stop|restart |
| 06:12.45 | beepie | it's better to live through the aggravation now than it is later :) |
| 06:13.00 | beepie | rommel092079, you can probably use the "service" command in debian for it as well |
| 06:13.22 | beepie | i never got used to "service", it's too redhat for my taste tehe |
| 06:13.33 | beepie | but now I'm forced to look at it the other way |
| 06:13.38 | beepie | ("systemd"!) |
| 06:14.07 | rommel092079 | systemd is another thing i should familiarize myself with |
| 06:14.37 | beepie | rommel092079, well you're from centos, of course, and you know who's sponsoring it right? |
| 06:14.54 | beepie | recalls redhat bought centos |
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| 06:15.05 | rommel092079 | yeah |
| 06:15.36 | rommel092079 | how to check what distro version I am running now? |
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| 06:16.41 | beepie | rommel092079, you're asking an iptables question that adminsitrators use, and now you're asking a noob question. XD |
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| 06:17.13 | rommel092079 | yes. its i dont use it alot |
| 06:17.23 | beepie | rommel092079, the reason why i answered the iptables question is because there's no clear indicator about the new packaging around it! shesh! |
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| 06:22.35 | GreenGl0w | So i just broke my system preatty hard and i need some asistance in recovering it... I'm getting "/bin/sh: can;t access tty: job control turned off" |
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| 06:41.57 | jaggz | can I install with a live cd to boot/root on SSD, and some other mounts on a raid array? |
| 06:42.51 | smurf5 | Would using /etc/hosts to block slowing down ad connections be a good idea? |
| 06:44.08 | smurf5 | Specifically, I am browsing ebay like polish website and I noticed three third party domains slowing things down considerably. The website seems to load all required data prior to those connections and just stopping them manually doesn't seem to affect any functionality. Should I just redirect those domains to localhost or something? |
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| 06:45.41 | osram | smurf5: no reason not to |
| 06:46.15 | osram | smurf5: you could also install an adblocker and use that to block the domain |
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| 06:46.58 | smurf5 | osram: for some reasons I can't, so this temporary solution should be okay for now. thank You. |
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| 06:54.25 | MMukherjee | Why is 'apt-get install python2.6' giving "503 Service Unavailable" ?! |
| 06:54.27 | MMukherjee | !?!?! |
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| 06:58.32 | osram | Because the service might be unavailable, perhaps ;) |
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| 06:58.45 | osram | MMukherjee: you could try another mirror |
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| 07:01.45 | MMukherjee | I tried all mirrors.. |
| 07:02.07 | MMukherjee | But Downloading to that mirror using Google Chrome succeeds |
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| 07:07.17 | MMukherjee | 'sup with Debian mirrors? |
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| 07:08.53 | nilurie | isnt it so that debian ships with python 2.7.x? |
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| 07:10.24 | nilurie | why 2.6? |
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| 07:12.50 | MMukherjee | my application wants 2.6 |
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| 07:13.22 | MMukherjee | 2.7 doesn't install, too. |
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| 07:15.18 | auscompgeek | MMukherjee: uhh, are you sure your network doesn't force you to use a proxy that you may have set up? |
| 07:16.17 | MMukherjee | It doesn't.. |
| 07:16.37 | MMukherjee | I'm sure that at least, my other Ubuntu Linux running on same LAN doesn't use proxy and it works.. |
| 07:16.49 | MMukherjee | My Debian isn't configured to use proxy.. |
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| 07:24.59 | Filystyn | hey i have problem installling kernel module on debian = uinput |
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| 07:25.11 | Filystyn | http://thiemonge.org/getting-started-with-uinput |
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| 07:25.21 | Filystyn | is it possible to indtall it? |
| 07:25.27 | Filystyn | install* |
| 07:25.37 | Filystyn | or im missing something |
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| 07:28.55 | Filystyn | no one?:) |
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| 07:30.52 | vook | is it not available on your system? |
| 07:31.47 | vook | it's included in standard kernels |
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| 07:32.00 | Filystyn | so i allready have it? |
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| 07:32.08 | Filystyn | i dont even know how to check it |
| 07:32.17 | vook | lsmod | grep uinput |
| 07:32.24 | vook | if nothing - modprobe uinput |
| 07:32.29 | vook | (as root) |
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| 07:33.10 | Filystyn | ok i got :uinput 17440 1 |
| 07:33.15 | Filystyn | so i got it yes?:) |
| 07:33.18 | vook | then it's loaded |
| 07:33.20 | Filystyn | ufff |
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| 07:33.28 | Filystyn | i was so affraid i wont be able to use it:) |
| 07:33.36 | Filystyn | thank you very much' |
| 07:33.55 | vook | np |
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| 07:50.05 | suggestor | !beer |
| 07:50.06 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 08:34.14 | ShorTie | seems like for the last 10 days when i do a upgrade it breaks my system .. :/~ |
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| 08:38.18 | bolt | ShorTie: may I suggest providing any kind of details, error messages and hardware specs? or filing a bug report? or searching through the existing ones? or all of the above? |
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| 08:39.48 | ShorTie | well this is not true Debian but Raspbian, so i was just like wondering in general |
| 08:40.05 | ShorTie | it maybe specific to it |
| 08:40.37 | osram | ShorTie: raspian uses systemd? |
| 08:41.00 | ShorTie | the jessie version does |
| 08:41.30 | bolt | ShorTie: in that case, I suggest you do what I said on their bugtracker instead of debian's |
| 08:41.41 | bolt | !raspbian |
| 08:41.41 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 08:42.09 | ShorTie | ok, sorry |
| 08:42.25 | ShorTie | that is why i just ask in general |
| 08:42.32 | bolt | since people running raspbian run mostly run on the same hardware setup (no, really?), a known problem should be pretty well known |
| 08:42.39 | ShorTie | but it sortta seems like no |
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| 08:42.52 | osram | I was under the impression systemd was x86 only whereas raspian is arm |
| 08:42.53 | ShorTie | Thankz |
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| 08:45.07 | ShorTie | i know this is just my opion, but it seems like the pakage maintianer had a hissy fit over it and then it broke |
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| 08:45.23 | ShorTie | so that is why i was asking in general |
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| 09:13.49 | sgo11 | do anyone use usb graphic adapter to connect multiple monitors? I am using displaylink usb. When there are two graphic cards, the monitor (connected with internal graphic card) has mouse cursor flickering problem. the mouse cursor is not flickering at all in the UGA. I did goggle, there is one bug report in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1278223 |
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| 09:14.00 | sgo11 | do anyone have a workaround? thanks. |
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| 09:25.40 | jaggz- | hm |
| 09:25.49 | jaggz- | no experience with that |
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| 09:26.18 | sgo11 | jaggz-, thanks for your reply. :) |
| 09:26.35 | jaggz- | not feeling lonely at least helps :) |
| 09:26.40 | suggestor | sgo11: or maybe try it in a more general ##linux channel. |
| 09:26.49 | sgo11 | jaggz-, yeah, that's true. :) |
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| 09:27.09 | suggestor | or in xorg channel? |
| 09:27.20 | jaggz- | or #hardware |
| 09:27.27 | jaggz- | probably xorg first? |
| 09:27.34 | sgo11 | suggestor, thanks. that channel is not active last time I asked. nobody replied. let me try. (I tried #xorg. no reply.) |
| 09:27.40 | jaggz- | hmm.. the ssd installation guide is really a migration guide |
| 09:27.55 | jaggz- | I need a first-time installation to ssd guide.. |
| 09:28.03 | suggestor | yeah I think very few people have / had such adapter |
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| 09:28.49 | sgo11 | how do they connect multiple displays then? I thought programmers like multiple displays. :) |
| 09:28.50 | suggestor | then better on forums where more people read it |
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| 09:29.07 | suggestor | on my pc I have one vga and dvi output :p |
| 09:29.55 | sgo11 | mine have vga and hdmi. but when I try to connect both, hdmi does not work well. that's why I bought a UGA |
| 09:31.02 | suggestor | are u sure? What graphics card u got? I have intel card here and it works perfect. |
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| 09:32.47 | sgo11 | intel + nvidia, optimus card. but I am using intel driver only. no nvidia driver installed. the hdmi mointor shows ghost images when I move a window etc... |
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| 09:33.35 | suggestor | why not use nvidia driver and have two monitors? :)= |
| 09:34.07 | HoloIRCUser1 | Ola |
| 09:34.12 | sgo11 | nvidia driver has problems with optimus support. even if I turn off this support, it dose not work well. |
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| 09:34.43 | sgo11 | at least last time I tried, nvidia driver does not work at all. |
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| 09:37.16 | matthias11 | apropos USB-connected monitors; anyone here who tried to use a spare/old ebook reader (I got a used PRS-505) as a secondary e-ink display? |
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| 10:11.47 | suggestor | hi |
| 10:11.53 | hroi | Hi don't understand this fstab line: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 10:24.21 | ChrisH | hroi: That's a "virtual Disk" beeing mounted |
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| 10:42.17 | halt | Hi all, is there any way to list the cron list from the service itself, not from the files ( I have an script for that already ) but I have an commented out cronjob, which is still running, and I wondering why, and what else is running ... |
| 10:43.10 | halt | the service itself should read up into memory somewhere to be able to run them, but I can't find in the man how it's done |
| 10:43.59 | halt | the crontab -l give me back the commented out line, but the cron still runns based on the syslog |
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| 10:46.41 | halt | I started to read the C src but I'm not to good with C so if someone can give me a hint that whould be grate |
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| 10:46.53 | udevd | i'm looking for it |
| 10:46.56 | udevd | in the meanwhile |
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| 10:47.47 | udevd | perhaps you know how can I change preferred apt repository (from wheezy to wheezy-backports to be precise) |
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| 10:49.00 | udevd | halt: hm, from what I'm reading |
| 10:49.05 | udevd | the cron wakes up every minute |
| 10:49.06 | halt | udevd: apt pinning |
| 10:49.08 | udevd | and read its file |
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| 10:50.40 | halt | I have a line like that in the crontab -l |
| 10:50.40 | halt | # command to run |
| 10:50.40 | halt | but in the syslod I still have the log about it was executed |
| 10:50.45 | ChrisH | halt: all cronjobs are in crontan -l ; and ls -ld /etc/cron* files and directories |
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| 10:51.00 | ChrisH | halt: all cronjobs are in crontab -l ; and ls -ld /etc/cron* files and directories |
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| 10:52.51 | halt | ChrisH: But how it's kicked of If I edit the current config how it's will be have the effect, if it's running every minute and read up the ecxisting config then I have no idea why, but if the config read up and stored in the memory , and maybe with inotify on config cahnge it's realded then it make some sense... |
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| 10:54.16 | ChrisH | halt: which file did you edit and did you check /var/log/cron ? |
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| 10:55.21 | halt | this /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
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| 10:56.31 | halt | and the /var/log/cron does not exist, it's logging to /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:58.51 | ChrisH | halt: that file is not expected to be edited direct. use crontab -e or restart/reload cron! see man crond |
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| 11:00.20 | halt | ChrisH: Hmm, ok that could be it, thanks ( bad puppet module bad puppet module, bad bad devops ) |
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| 11:20.36 | jaggd | where's the "Install" icon in live-kde? |
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| 11:23.20 | jaggd | found it! |
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| 11:24.32 | jaggd | doesn't seem to run though |
| 11:24.34 | jaggd | sigh |
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| 11:26.22 | jaggd | sigh |
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| 12:07.43 | xreal | Is there a kernel for Wheezy, which supports OverlayFS? It has been released as stable. |
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| 12:10.09 | xreal | „Lichtgrenze“ ist Wort des Jahres 2014 |
| 12:10.14 | xreal | whoops, wrong channel |
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| 12:46.32 | Somelauw | Are there any official or unofficial firefox repos that contain an up to date version of firefox (not iceweasel)? |
| 12:47.00 | petn-randall | Somelauw: Why not use iceweasel? |
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| 12:47.41 | Somelauw | because it's based on an older version of firefox |
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| 12:48.04 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
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| 12:48.04 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.3.0esr-1; sid: 31.3.0esr-1; experimental: 34.0-1 |
| 12:48.58 | petn-randall | Somelauw: mozilla.debian.net has current iceweasel builds. |
| 12:49.46 | Somelauw | not bad |
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| 12:51.19 | petn-randall | Somelauw: Note that the iceweasel in stable comes with support by Debian's security team, local installations and mozilla.debian.net don't. |
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| 12:56.53 | Somelauw | eh, is 'experimental' the same as 'aurora' and is it wrong to install the jessie version when still using squeeze? I just want version 34. |
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| 13:03.22 | gabedain | t |
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| 13:09.37 | Zhades | ok that package seems not to work, I did dpkg -i mysql-5.5.27-debian6.0-x86_64.deb on Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u2 x86_64, but it doesn't seem to install anything "/var/lib/mysql" doesn't exist, did i forget anything essential? |
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| 13:11.12 | ycodr | Can tmux do this? I use terminal to connect to remote server, run tmux, start ftp download on server, exit terminal. The ftp download will continue even after I exit the terminal and disconnect from server? |
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| 13:16.37 | SynrGy | ycodr: yes. both tmux and screen support that. |
| 13:17.05 | Zhades | Anybody have a clue how i can install that old version on debian wheezy? |
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| 13:18.06 | SynrGy | ,v msyql |
| 13:18.07 | judd | No package named 'msyql' was found in i386. |
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| 13:18.21 | SynrGy | ah, oops |
| 13:18.30 | SynrGy | typing :) |
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| 13:18.47 | SynrGy | ,v mysql-server-5.5 |
| 13:18.48 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.5 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.5.38-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.40-1; sid: 5.5.40-1 |
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| 13:19.20 | Zhades | SynrGy: I know how to install from repo, but i need this version, and somehow dpkg does nothiing |
| 13:19.26 | SynrGy | Zhades: where the heck did you get that anyway? doesn't look normal ... |
| 13:19.35 | SynrGy | i think it's only a metapackage |
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| 13:19.50 | SynrGy | although ... really, no idea. looks third-party |
| 13:19.52 | Zhades | SynrGy: it was the community server download from the official mysql page |
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| 13:19.53 | SynrGy | they could've changed anything |
| 13:20.14 | Zhades | http://downloads.mysql.com/archives/community/ |
| 13:20.15 | SynrGy | either you've not followed their directions correctly, or else it's broken. in either case, see them about the problem, not us. |
| 13:20.25 | Zhades | SynrGy: there are no directions |
| 13:20.31 | SynrGy | it's not even intended for wheezy |
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| 13:20.45 | Zhades | SynrGy: yeah because it's old |
| 13:20.53 | Zhades | SynrGy: but that shouldn't matter |
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| 13:22.03 | SynrGy | "shouldn't"? of course it matters. packages for older releases generally aren't guaranteed to work on later releases. |
| 13:22.16 | SynrGy | dependencies change. |
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| 13:23.50 | Zhades | well is there no way to run an old mysql server on wheezy? |
| 13:24.11 | ycodr | SynrGy: tks |
| 13:25.15 | SynrGy | Zhades: what's the purpose of this exercise? |
| 13:25.28 | MadHatter42 | HPSBMU03127 rev.1 - HP Operations Manager for UNIX, Remote Code Executio |
| 13:25.39 | MadHatter42 | anyone familiar with this ? |
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| 13:25.51 | MadHatter42 | i've been getting this on my debian servers |
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| 13:25.56 | Zhades | SynrGy: i need to replicate another database running this version, I don't know if i just can replicate with a newer version |
| 13:26.02 | MadHatter42 | but they are all dell |
| 13:26.06 | MadHatter42 | i dont have any HPs |
| 13:26.11 | Zhades | SynrGy: I read there are some issues |
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| 13:27.26 | SynrGy | Zhades: your expectations for what the package does are apparently wrong ... |
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| 13:27.47 | SynrGy | Zhades: they follow an all-in-one-dir model of distribution, as many 3rd party software vendors do |
| 13:28.01 | SynrGy | Zhades: use dpkg -c <filename>.deb to view its contents |
| 13:28.16 | Zhades | SynrGy: how does that help me |
| 13:29.29 | SynrGy | Zhades: it shows you everything is put under /opt/mysql |
| 13:29.36 | SynrGy | so i would expect the data to live under there somewhere too |
| 13:29.46 | SynrGy | i haven't examined the maintainer scripts yet, so i can't say more |
| 13:30.02 | Zhades | SynrGy: yeah, I see that, but that doesn't help me installing it |
| 13:30.19 | SynrGy | if it installed without errors, then it is probably installed correctly ... |
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| 13:30.48 | Zhades | SynrGy: since var/lib/mysql doesn't exist, no |
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| 13:31.03 | SynrGy | ? |
| 13:31.08 | SynrGy | that's an *assumption* |
| 13:31.23 | SynrGy | you assume that because the official debian package does that, this one will too |
| 13:31.29 | SynrGy | i'm pointing out your assumption is probably wrong |
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| 13:31.54 | Zhades | SynGy: good, again how does that help me getting it to work |
| 13:32.04 | SynrGy | i point at the radically different directory structure as evidence of your wrong assumption |
| 13:32.17 | Zhades | it is still var/lib/mysql on wheezy |
| 13:32.27 | SynrGy | Zhades: that's for you to find out. now that you see you may have made some wrong assumption about the location of things, or the automaticness of setup of the package ... |
| 13:32.28 | Zhades | the package just doesn't create it |
| 13:32.44 | SynrGy | you have a starting point for doing your own investigation |
| 13:32.50 | Zhades | SynrGy: time to switch distro then |
| 13:32.56 | SynrGy | also, as i said before, talk to the maintainers of the community version for help |
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| 13:33.10 | SynrGy | look, we CANNOT be experts in everyone else's third-party versions of our packages! |
| 13:33.29 | SynrGy | i've bent over backwards trying to equip you with what you need to debug this issue |
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| 13:33.47 | SynrGy | this is very OT for this channel, so i've gone above and beyond |
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| 13:34.03 | bezaban | switch distros, problem solved ;) |
| 13:34.16 | Zhades | SynrGy: not expecting that, I appreciate your help, it's just not useful to me |
| 13:34.32 | Zhades | bezaban: yeah going ot |
| 13:34.37 | SynrGy | why not? you now know *more* than you did before. |
| 13:34.38 | Zhades | s/to/to |
| 13:34.42 | bezaban | jap, just joined ot |
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| 13:34.49 | SynrGy | packages come with /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>* scripts |
| 13:34.52 | SynrGy | look at those |
| 13:35.03 | SynrGy | compare with the same scripts in the official debian package |
| 13:35.16 | SynrGy | this could tell you why the debian package sets up /var/lib/mysql and the third-party one does not |
| 13:35.30 | SynrGy | it could also tip you off as to what you, as an administrator, need to do to make it work |
| 13:35.48 | SynrGy | since the third-party package ships with no package doc, that's the best i can offer |
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| 13:36.48 | Zhades | SynrGy: don't have that much time to investigate this, just a shame that debian doesn't support this. |
| 13:37.04 | SynrGy | doesn't support what? |
| 13:37.12 | SynrGy | sorry, "this" is not clearly defined for me yet |
| 13:37.21 | Zhades | SynrGy: consinstency |
| 13:37.25 | SynrGy | wtf? |
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| 13:37.42 | SynrGy | you're making less and less sense |
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| 13:38.05 | SynrGy | how is some third-party package provider's botched up package consistency a *Debian* problem? |
| 13:39.45 | Zhades | SynrGy: In my opinion it is, I've had distros who managed stuff like this, not saying it's debian responsibility, just that it would be nice to have |
| 13:39.48 | SynrGy | Zhades: Debian has a great document ensuring consistency: the debian-policy document. to the extent that it is followed, packages end up high quality. however, following that document is not mandatory for third-party packagers. |
| 13:39.51 | jelly | the packaging system should anticipate 3rd party stuff is going to be buggy, and refuse to install it in the first place! |
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| 13:40.25 | SynrGy | Zhades: if they don't follow that document, that's *their* problem. if they pulled this stunt in an official Debian package, it would be slapped with a release-critical bug and if not fixed, tossed out of the distribution |
| 13:40.39 | SynrGy | Zhades: so yes, Debian has very *good* support for consistency |
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| 13:41.03 | SynrGy | jelly: heh, or that :) |
| 13:41.29 | jelly | MadHatter42: which tool reports this message? |
| 13:41.37 | MadHatter42 | retina |
| 13:41.47 | jelly | MadHatter42: is it a part of Debian? |
| 13:41.58 | jelly | does not know what retina is |
| 13:42.33 | MadHatter42 | retina is a vulnerability scanner |
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| 13:42.36 | MadHatter42 | like nessus |
| 13:42.56 | MadHatter42 | i've been getting that on all my linux servers |
| 13:42.59 | MadHatter42 | they're dell |
| 13:43.02 | jelly | if it's free, it probably has lots of false positives |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | try to figure out _exactly_ what is being tested to result in that |
| 13:43.41 | MadHatter42 | no its enterprise |
| 13:43.44 | MadHatter42 | A potential security vulnerability has been identified with HP Operations Manager for UNIX. The vulnerability can be |
| 13:43.44 | MadHatter42 | exploited remotely to execute arbitrary code. |
| 13:43.45 | MadHatter42 | How To Fix Upgrade to HP Operations Manager for Unix v9.11.120 (server and Java UI patches), v9.20.300 (server patches) or |
| 13:43.45 | MadHatter42 | later. |
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| 13:43.56 | MadHatter42 | sorry |
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| 13:44.13 | MadHatter42 | jelly, i cant find out |
| 13:44.16 | jelly | MadHatter42: that's the result. Investigate what exactly the test for this does. |
| 13:44.17 | ChrisH | MadHatter42: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c04472866 CVE-2014-2648, CVE-2014-2649 (SSRT101727) |
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| 13:44.37 | Zhades | SynrGy: well switching to other distro then with "better" consistency... |
| 13:44.40 | jelly | MadHatter42: contact the vendor and ask them? |
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| 13:44.52 | MadHatter42 | ChrisH, yeah but i havent installed any of those |
| 13:45.18 | SynrGy | Zhades: i doubt it |
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| 13:45.51 | Zhades | SynrGy: I had one before that supported this, so yes it works |
| 13:45.57 | SynrGy | Zhades: how does this alleged "distro with better consistency" impose consistency on third-party package maintainers? |
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| 13:46.12 | SynrGy | Zhades: i.e. how does it ensure they don't write packages riddled with bugs? |
| 13:46.20 | Zhades | SynrGy: I don't consider mysql as third party anymore |
| 13:46.22 | chb | morning, is there a way to show when a (certain) package was installed? |
| 13:46.32 | ChrisH | MadHatter42: From my checks around thats the HP Openview (formerly known als OVO) Monitoring. Is your company using OVO? |
| 13:46.33 | SynrGy | Zhades: again, wtf? |
| 13:46.48 | SynrGy | Zhades: *this* package you tried to use is third-party. it's a fact. it's not a matter of opinion. |
| 13:46.58 | jelly | Zhades: first party (upstream author/vendor) can write buggy packages, too. |
| 13:47.02 | SynrGy | Debian does not provide this package. the mysql community (whoever they are) do |
| 13:47.03 | MadHatter42 | ChrisH, nope |
| 13:47.18 | Zhades | SynrGy: it's used widely enough that I don't consider it third party anymore |
| 13:47.23 | MadHatter42 | my servers are dell and with debian on it |
| 13:47.33 | MadHatter42 | i have basic services apache, squid a db |
| 13:47.34 | Zhades | jelly: not the point |
| 13:47.35 | MadHatter42 | nothing fancy |
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| 13:47.49 | SynrGy | Zhades: i don't care what you consider it. it's third-party from debian's perspective and therefore we cannot enforce consistency on it. |
| 13:47.52 | ChrisH | MadHatter42: And dpkg -l does not show anything like openview or operations? The HW vendor does not matter here. |
| 13:48.19 | SynrGy | Zhades: or do you think we have a police force that can impose this consistency? |
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| 13:48.42 | SynrGy | Zhades: the first-party is Debian. the second-party is you. the third-party is "everyone else" |
| 13:48.47 | Zhades | SynrGy: yeah but we can have "concistency" on other packages right, like sysinit...oh wait |
| 13:48.56 | SynrGy | Zhades: "someone else" provided this package. ergo, third party. |
| 13:49.04 | MadHatter42 | ChrisH, nope, |
| 13:49.11 | SynrGy | ergo, not subject to our rules and quality standards. |
| 13:49.41 | Zhades | SynrGy: good for debian, won't change i'll switch to a distro who cares for this stuff |
| 13:50.08 | ChrisH | MadHatter42: then it sounds like a false positive. |
| 13:50.08 | SynrGy | Zhades: again, how is it the "distro" that cares, when the mysql community is providing the third-party package? |
| 13:50.18 | particleman72 | oo please dont switch *smirk* |
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| 13:50.20 | SynrGy | Zhades: but good luck with that, anyway. |
| 13:50.37 | Zhades | SynrGy: suse does support it, works on the newest right away |
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| 13:50.42 | ccc | hello |
| 13:50.55 | ccc | i'm trying to select latest kernel 3.2 . how? |
| 13:51.03 | SynrGy | Zhades: how is it suse that makes the third-party package work? isn't it just that the mysql community is better at making suse packages than debian ones? |
| 13:51.29 | ccc | ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 2.6.32-46 |
| 13:51.29 | ccc | ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae 3.2.63-2+deb7u2 got 2 kernels installed. Want to select this one. |
| 13:51.54 | Zhades | SynrGy: nope, they are involved in it |
| 13:51.54 | SynrGy | Zhades: so your beef is with the debian-package-maintainers of the mysql community, not us. and it won't improve, either, if you don't talk to them about the brokenness. |
| 13:52.32 | SynrGy | Zhades: you can jump ship in order to solve your present problem, but if that's your attitude when free software breaks, don't be surprised when this pattern repeats itself again with your new distro. |
| 13:52.51 | MadHatter42 | ChrisH, its weird as i have it in all my linux servers |
| 13:52.58 | SynrGy | you need to file bugs on the packages you use (on the bug system for the provider of the package) to get anything fixed. |
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| 13:53.27 | Zhades | SynrGy: switching is way easier |
| 13:54.05 | SynrGy | Zhades: sure. in if my car blows a tire beside a car dealership, buying a new car is easier, too. |
| 13:54.09 | SynrGy | and* if |
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| 13:54.29 | SynrGy | fsvo "easier" |
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| 13:55.19 | Zhades | SynrGy: bad example, this doesn't cost me anything, I just pick what suits me best, and if it doesn't anymore, somebody else has the chance, "traditions" have no place here |
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| 13:56.05 | SynrGy | there is always a cost to switching software. whether you've calculated that cost or not is another matter. anyway, good luck with your new distro. |
| 13:56.48 | Zhades | SynrGy: actually debian is still my "new"distro, just the master server uses an old mysql version |
| 13:57.05 | Zhades | SynrG: I like debian, I was just expecting more of it |
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| 13:57.28 | SynrGy | Zhades: you should've rather expected more of the mysql community package maintainer for the debian packages |
| 13:57.38 | SynrGy | Zhades: as they're the ones who are causing you this grief |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | wonders if dpkg knows about "technical debt" |
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| 13:58.21 | SynrGy | jelly: ooo. write one! |
| 13:58.38 | Zhades | SynrGy: I understand that, I don't think they would take this serious, I trust the distro maintainers more |
| 13:59.02 | SynrGy | Zhades: but your environment has very special needs. i understand that. |
| 13:59.11 | jelly | SynrGy: It probably probably go over the heads of people that most ought to read it |
| 13:59.21 | jelly | s/probably/would/ |
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| 13:59.35 | SynrGy | Zhades: what you could *try* to do is tear the debian official packaging out of a similar version (maybe from lenny? or squeeze?) ... |
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| 13:59.52 | SynrGy | and try to rework the pristine upstream source with that packaging applied |
| 13:59.55 | SynrGy | then tweak as needed |
| 14:00.14 | Zhades | SynrGy: It would run on squeeze, my hoster just doesn't support that version |
| 14:00.40 | jelly | ,v mysql-server-5.5 |
| 14:00.41 | SynrGy | or you could simply try building the old upstream source and installing it to /usr/local |
| 14:00.41 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.5 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.5.38-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.40-1; sid: 5.5.40-1 |
| 14:00.56 | SynrGy | jelly: apparently he needs an older point-release |
| 14:01.03 | jelly | ah. |
| 14:01.04 | SynrGy | he hasn't explained exactly why, though |
| 14:01.24 | jelly | because mysql fixes more than just security in their point releases |
| 14:01.32 | SynrGy | oh, i see :/ |
| 14:01.37 | SynrGy | good job, mysql |
| 14:01.47 | SynrGy | so, breaking compatibility with prior point releases? |
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| 14:01.56 | jelly | and Oracle's changelogs are rather opaque |
| 14:02.05 | SynrGy | that's an effed up release cycle |
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| 14:02.36 | Zhades | SynrGy: I could try one of the newer versions, I just don't know if the replication of an old master to a newer slave would work, (master runs 5.5.27) |
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| 14:02.45 | SynrGy | but, sigh, what else is new with Oracle at the helm, eh? |
| 14:02.56 | SynrGy | Zhades: yeah. understood |
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| 14:03.16 | jelly | I guess sources from snapshot.d.o, and see if it builds |
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| 14:03.22 | SynrGy | Zhades: you could comb the release notes between 5.5.27 and 5.5.38 to see if maybe there was anything to cause worry |
| 14:03.45 | SynrGy | oh, i hadn't thought of that. good idea |
| 14:03.46 | jelly | or, $DEITY forbid, set up a test environment and TRY IT? |
| 14:03.47 | Zhades | SynrGy: yeah i might do that, now i have to go back to opensuse ugh... |
| 14:03.48 | SynrGy | (snapshots) |
| 14:04.15 | SynrGy | Zhades: no ill will, then? i mostly objected to you complaining it was somehow Debian's fault for letting you down :) |
| 14:04.15 | ccc | anyone? |
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| 14:04.25 | ccc | kernel, grub, select 2nd kernel, all that |
| 14:04.44 | jelly | ccc: how does it fail? |
| 14:04.50 | ccc | miserably |
| 14:04.59 | SynrGy | ccc: linux-image-686-pae is a metapackage that points always at the latest |
| 14:05.02 | jelly | ccc: update-grub ought to put 3.2 before 2.6.32 |
| 14:05.22 | jelly | ccc: do you have grub-pc or grub-legacy installed? |
| 14:05.23 | ccc | update-grub seees both kernels, but it doesn't put second one in grub.conf |
| 14:05.23 | SynrGy | oh, that wasn't the question |
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| 14:05.44 | SynrGy | ccc: is it a multiboot system, or just single OS? |
| 14:05.52 | ccc | single os |
| 14:05.57 | SynrGy | and yeah, jelly's question about grub-pc vs grub-legacy |
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| 14:06.18 | SynrGy | and did you install grub correctly (i.e. to the device, not the partition)? |
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| 14:06.35 | ccc | https://gist.github.com/celesteking/718ed1739c3252d22955 |
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| 14:06.53 | Zhades | SynrGy: no, I newer objected debian, I just hoped it would adapt this one, I cannot stand opensuse and the master server runs it unfortunately |
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| 14:07.25 | ccc | opensuse is very easy to deal with kernel selection, at least you know what's happening |
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| 14:08.25 | SynrGy | Zhades: debian itself is very flexible. but some problems on it are harder than others. "package an arbitrary version from upstream" is not usually for the faint of heart, especially of a large, complex package like mysql. |
| 14:08.28 | jelly | ccc: looks just fine. pastebin the resulting /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:08.30 | Zhades | ccc: well just not my type, I don't need 200+ config files for postfix instead of 10 in other distros |
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| 14:08.45 | ccc | updated that gist |
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| 14:09.39 | SynrGy | ccc: menu.lst is legacy |
| 14:09.45 | Zhades | SynrGy: Yeah, I know it's flexible, i nearly changed all servers from opensuse/centOS in our network (over 2000) to debian |
| 14:09.57 | Zhades | SynrGy: this was one of the oldest customer clusters |
| 14:10.14 | Zhades | SynrGy: which just happened to fail, bad luck ;) |
| 14:10.22 | ccc | un grub-legacy <none> (no description available) |
| 14:10.37 | ccc | so, any solutions? |
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| 14:10.50 | SynrGy | ccc: nevertheless, menu.lst itself is legacy. so not relevant. |
| 14:11.01 | ccc | what should I do???? |
| 14:11.10 | SynrGy | /boot/grub/grub.cfg is what update-grub updates. |
| 14:11.17 | jelly | ccc: pastebin the resulting /boot/grub/grub.cfg, please |
| 14:11.24 | ccc | damn gus |
| 14:11.30 | ccc | i pasted the /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:11.42 | ccc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jan 23 2014 /boot/grub/grub.conf -> ./menu.lst |
| 14:11.51 | SynrGy | ccc: then why does it say menu.lst at the top? |
| 14:11.59 | jelly | ccc: well, can you repeat the URL, then? |
| 14:11.59 | SynrGy | ccc: wtf??? |
| 14:12.29 | SynrGy | ccc: neither of those (the symlink, nor what it points to) are grub.cfg |
| 14:12.29 | ccc | https://gist.github.com/celesteking/718ed1739c3252d22955#file-grub-conf |
| 14:12.36 | SynrGy | ccc: just repasting the same gist doesn't help us ... |
| 14:12.43 | ccc | oh, cfg |
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| 14:12.48 | ccc | what a bullshit |
| 14:12.48 | SynrGy | yeah. it's the wrong file |
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| 14:13.01 | ccc | why didn't it clean it up after legacy upgrade |
| 14:13.02 | jelly | ccc: I'd like to see the CONTENTS of /boot/grub/grub.cfg, not ls -l |
| 14:13.06 | SynrGy | ccc: here's what i think: you never ran the migration |
| 14:13.22 | jelly | ah, there. |
| 14:13.22 | SynrGy | one or maybe even two releases ago there was a migration of legacy -> grub-pc |
| 14:13.37 | SynrGy | it is a set of *manual* instructions you need to follow that the install would tell you |
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| 14:13.40 | ccc | is there any way to see system install time? |
| 14:13.49 | SynrGy | if you overlooked that, you could still be on grub-legacy |
| 14:13.52 | ccc | packages install log, alike yum.log |
| 14:14.02 | ccc | that package is not installed |
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| 14:14.13 | SynrGy | ccc: it doesn't matter. it's still in your boot sector. |
| 14:14.19 | SynrGy | ccc: and it's still looking at the legacy file |
| 14:14.20 | ccc | probably yes |
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| 14:14.31 | jelly | ccc: well, at this point you can rm /boot/grub/grub.cfg, run update-grub, and run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 14:14.39 | SynrGy | yep. |
| 14:14.43 | jelly | (assuming /dev/sda is your boot disk) |
| 14:14.43 | SynrGy | that should do it |
| 14:14.57 | bobbyr | hey all |
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| 14:15.10 | bobbyr | I have an issue with my debian partitions |
| 14:15.10 | jelly | I _think_ dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc might do it after rm, too, but don't remember any more |
| 14:15.37 | bobbyr | I installed debian on multiple partitions, and the defaults are bizarre |
| 14:15.48 | bobbyr | now I only have like 500 MB on / |
| 14:15.48 | SynrGy | ccc: if you're paranoid, copy out the boot sector and save the config files ... |
| 14:15.50 | bobbyr | https://dpaste.de/PM5H |
| 14:15.56 | SynrGy | ccc: if something goes horribly wrong, you could put them back |
| 14:16.10 | bobbyr | Is there a way to reallocate space to the / partition? |
| 14:16.31 | SynrGy | ccc: any other "special" considerations here? i see the old kernel was a xen kernel ... |
| 14:16.33 | ccc | SynrGy, that's indeed helpful answer. It appears there've been leftovers from grub 0.9 |
| 14:16.35 | SynrGy | ccc: this is a xen instance? |
| 14:16.43 | ccc | it's a long story.... |
| 14:16.44 | jelly | ccc: closest thing to "system install time" might be / filesystem creation time, eg. dumpe2fs -h /dev/mapper/vg-root |grep created |
| 14:17.11 | ccc | Filesystem created: Wed May 25 06:17:51 2011 . nice trick |
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| 14:18.48 | jelly | bobbyr: not easily. You can resize partitions with gparted live image, install it on an usb stick or cd/dvd, boot and resize. Make a backup before that. |
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| 14:19.04 | ccc | 3.2.0-4-686-pae . oh what a relief! thanks guys |
| 14:19.22 | jelly | !win ccc |
| 14:19.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, ccc! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 14:20.28 | bobbyr | jelly, thanks |
| 14:21.04 | bobbyr | jelly, that sounds easy enough though... why do you consider that not easy |
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| 14:21.21 | jelly | SynrGy: so many people get bit by d-i silly defaults for partition sizes and lots of different partitions |
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| 14:21.47 | SynrGy | jelly: hmm? |
| 14:21.54 | jelly | bobbyr: a) it's an offline procedure, and b) sometimes gparted screws up |
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| 14:22.34 | bobbyr | jelly, gotcha |
| 14:22.51 | jelly | SynrGy: with guided partitioning, the way things are set up people get guided to create separate /, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home, swap |
| 14:22.52 | SynrGy | doesn't it default now to "all-in-one-partition" in "guided"? but of course, there may be some silly defaults for "non-standard" FS choies |
| 14:22.52 | bobbyr | so I should just clonezilla or whatever prior to attempting this |
| 14:23.11 | SynrGy | choices* |
| 14:23.24 | SynrGy | (like insisting on making a separate /boot even when not needed) |
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| 14:23.32 | SynrGy | and maybe default size too small on that |
| 14:23.51 | SynrGy | (i do vaguely recall something of the sort) |
| 14:23.54 | jelly | at least there's some technical reason for /boot |
| 14:24.01 | bobbyr | BTW, why is the default multi partition settings so bizarre? |
| 14:24.09 | jelly | SynrGy: see ^^ |
| 14:24.09 | SynrGy | not the one that i investigated some time back |
| 14:24.19 | bobbyr | I mean it's my fault for not looking first, but WTF? 300mb for /? |
| 14:24.26 | MrAlexanB | could someone pls give me a lead in the right direction. I am trying to use a tool/software called Pass. It uses something called gpg to encrypt the files. It tells me gpg-agent is not started and I do not fully undertand how to start it. Cant find out excactly how by looking at either man files(gpg or pass) |
| 14:24.31 | SynrGy | the details are hazy now |
| 14:24.33 | jelly | bobbyr: you installed Debian 7, right? |
| 14:24.38 | bobbyr | yeah 7.7 |
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| 14:24.42 | jelly | nod. |
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| 14:25.28 | jelly | it'd be a bit better if it defaulted to lvm and _then_ created lots of small fses. |
| 14:25.52 | jelly | or if it really used just one filesystem. |
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| 14:26.09 | jelly | seldom actually uses d-i defaults |
| 14:26.22 | bobbyr | I don't blame you |
| 14:26.24 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: generally an authentication agent ought to be started by a desktop login. or is this not a desktop login? |
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| 14:26.46 | bobbyr | I use fedora on my desktop, and the defaults are perfectly reasonable for multiple partitions |
| 14:26.59 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: the gpg-agent man page has some helpful advice. |
| 14:27.06 | bobbyr | Even a single huge partition would have been better indeed |
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| 14:27.24 | MrAlexanB | SynrGy i have the ability to vnc in to use a desktop login, but Pass is terminalbased and i seldom use the gui on that server. |
| 14:27.37 | MrAlexanB | SynrGy ok thanks, i will have a second look in the man file |
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| 14:28.13 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: in the case of the vnc login, i think it has its own ~/.vnc/xstartup (if run as a personal daemon; if started some other way, i don't know) |
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| 14:28.53 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: what desktop does the vnc session run? it may not have any authentication agent. |
| 14:28.54 | MrAlexanB | SynrGy: i see it now! :D:D for non x-session use the .bashrc |
| 14:29.05 | SynrGy | k |
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| 14:29.29 | SynrGy | though .bashrc will run for *every* shell, which may or may not be what is needed |
| 14:30.21 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: i don't think gpg-agent itself runs from .bashrc |
| 14:30.29 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: that's only for setting up some environment variables |
| 14:30.35 | MrAlexanB | ok |
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| 14:30.48 | SynrGy | that's so all your shells know how to talk to the agent |
| 14:31.18 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: see the opening statement: |
| 14:31.21 | SynrGy | If you don't use an X server, you can also put this into your regular startup file ~/.profile or .bash_profile. |
| 14:31.27 | SynrGy | note: that's not .bashrc :) |
| 14:31.38 | MrAlexanB | SynrGy see it. thanks :) |
| 14:31.40 | SynrGy | the main thing is to ensure only one instance of gpg-agent runs |
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| 14:32.49 | MrAlexanB | If i place it in bash_profile it should only run one instance? and if environmental variables are neccessary for each sesion i place them in bashrc |
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| 14:35.26 | SynrGy | MrAlexanB: it is possible to run .bash_profile multiple times, e.g. if you have any x-terminal, or screen or tmux, for example, set up as "login shell" |
| 14:36.10 | SynrGy | i.e. nothing guarantees .bash_profile won't be run more than once in the same session |
| 14:36.16 | MrAlexanB | oh ok |
| 14:36.29 | MrAlexanB | i should probably put it in init.d somewhere then |
| 14:37.03 | SynrGy | no |
| 14:37.18 | SynrGy | it needs to be run once per user session. you might have multiple of those. |
| 14:37.38 | MrAlexanB | SynrGy yes i do |
| 14:38.22 | SynrGy | what you can do is put it in .bash_profile for now and see how that goes for you |
| 14:38.38 | SynrGy | you might not need anything more complex to prevent spurious extra instances. |
| 14:38.51 | SynrGy | it is, after all, what the man page suggests. |
| 14:39.22 | petern_ | Can gdm3 (or any other dm) work with vnc, no local display? |
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| 15:01.20 | daweefolk | who |
| 15:01.39 | daweefolk | sorry, used to playing MUDs. wanted to see who's on haha |
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| 15:04.00 | jelly | daweefolk: there's a /who but you'll probably not gather much from 1600 idle nicknames |
| 15:04.13 | daweefolk | When I use elinks, most pages won't fully load. elinks "loads" a blank window that has "OK" in the statusbar. I did an strace and I see a lot of select() calls that time out |
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| 15:14.43 | edoardo | hello |
| 15:14.56 | edoardo | i have Debian 7 on my Compaq CQ61 laptop |
| 15:15.06 | edoardo | however, it's a week that i can't control the brightness anymore |
| 15:15.14 | edoardo | it just stays dark, any help? |
| 15:15.35 | edoardo | it was working two weeks ago and also Ubuntu Live works |
| 15:16.18 | jelly | edoardo: does it start working again if you power off and back on? |
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| 15:16.46 | edoardo | jelly: nope, brightness always locked down to the darkest level |
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| 15:16.59 | edoardo | also, i'm running Xfce |
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| 15:19.21 | hugbot | edoardo |
| 15:19.48 | hugbot | install xbacklight |
| 15:20.01 | hugbot | then you can controle it directle |
| 15:20.04 | edoardo | huayra: ok, let me try it |
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| 15:21.14 | edoardo | hugbot: it works! |
| 15:21.25 | edoardo | but how can i control it from the hotkeys? |
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| 15:22.54 | hugbot | i dont recall if its a system component or the desktop enviroment that controles that under debian |
| 15:23.07 | edoardo | hmm i'll try to reboot |
| 15:23.08 | hugbot | whats your current config like ? |
| 15:23.21 | edoardo | maybe xfce's brightness control depends on xbrightness |
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| 15:28.59 | edoardo | hugbot: now the brightness is always at max |
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| 15:30.20 | hugbot | Did you enable the xfce brightness plugin |
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| 15:30.48 | edoardo | hugbot: let me check... |
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| 15:31.19 | edoardo | hugbot: is it the panel plugin? |
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| 15:33.07 | hugbot | edoardo yeah |
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| 15:33.37 | edoardo | can't find it, i guess it's no tinstalled for some reason :\ |
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| 15:36.13 | hugbot | edoardo how did you do the install, ? |
| 15:36.24 | hugbot | too many unknowen variables :S |
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| 15:38.50 | edoardo | hugbot: i installed the standard debian xfce image :\ |
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| 15:40.25 | petn-randall | edoardo: What did you change that it stopped working? Did you upgrade your kernel? |
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| 15:40.44 | edoardo | petn-randall: i just updated the packages |
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| 15:41.28 | petn-randall | edoardo: "the" being ...? You have a log in /var/log/apt/history.log that'll show you that. |
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| 15:41.55 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 15:42.08 | HD|Laptop | can I somehow check all files of all packages installed with apt-get against their checksums? |
| 15:42.16 | edoardo | petn-randall: it's just five lines with "installed xbacklight" |
| 15:42.16 | HD|Laptop | I suspect my SD card is corrupted |
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| 15:42.40 | hugbot | ether acpi is borked for some reason, or acip is configed to a desktop enviroment service thats for some reason not responding |
| 15:42.55 | HD|Laptop | because I get a SIGSEGV on apt-get running, which worked prior to a powerloss |
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| 15:43.20 | edoardo | hugbot: isn't xbacklight using acpi? |
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| 15:43.43 | Miesco | Hi, should I use flash with iceweasel? |
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| 15:44.26 | hugbot | edoardo no, its telling the system what to do directly i think |
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| 15:44.44 | edoardo | should i try acpi=off in grub? |
| 15:44.51 | hugbot | no |
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| 15:45.34 | particleman72 | Miesco why not use flash? |
| 15:45.47 | edoardo | ok |
| 15:45.56 | hugbot | umm |
| 15:46.09 | hugbot | we need someong that knows xfce and acpi |
| 15:46.16 | hugbot | anyone like that aorund ? |
| 15:46.18 | edoardo | well, yeah |
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| 15:47.35 | n0x90 | hi all |
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| 15:49.02 | hugbot | i dont even have a debian install right nw to chack :S |
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| 15:50.40 | petn-randall | edoardo: That's the only package you updated or installed between the backlight working and not working? |
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| 15:51.22 | edoardo | petn-randall: no, the backlight stopped working after an update |
| 15:51.34 | edoardo | but i update daily, so i guess the logs are gone |
| 15:51.57 | petn-randall | edoardo: history.log.1? |
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| 15:53.03 | SynrGy | Miesco: i'm not sure what you're asking. "instead of what?" comes to mind ... |
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| 15:53.54 | edoardo | petn-randall: http://pastebin.net/p5NWmV6z |
| 15:54.01 | SynrGy | Miesco: are you asking us if you should use it? (I don't know, should you? i'm not your Dad ;) or are you asking if you should *be able* to? |
| 15:54.18 | edoardo | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/p5NWmV6z |
| 15:54.52 | SynrGy | Miesco: if you're asking if you should be able to then yes, there exist both free (gnash) and non-free (flashplugin-nonfree) plugins that enable you to,. |
| 15:55.35 | Miesco | SynrGy: Well iceweasel is saying that there is a vulnerability and it is blocking flash |
| 15:56.27 | Miesco | SynrGy: Don't you have this? |
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| 15:56.41 | SynrGy | i don't use iceweasel |
| 15:56.56 | SynrGy | i use chromium. also, i don't use stable. i use unstable. |
| 15:57.06 | edoardo | using iceweasel with flash right now, and it's working well |
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| 15:58.24 | petn-randall | edoardo: Oh, you're not even running Debian stable. What release are you on? |
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| 15:58.37 | edoardo | petn-randall: jessie |
| 15:59.05 | petn-randall | edoardo: In that case, head off to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to get special treatment. That's where all the other people running jessie/sid hang out. |
| 15:59.15 | edoardo | oh ok! |
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| 16:03.19 | wodim | hi, im having this problem with postfix: warning: not enough free space in mail queue: 3338268672 bytes < 1.5*message size limit -- where is that queue located and how do i flush it? |
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| 16:05.14 | Miesco | Oh sorry, I am in Jessie |
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| 16:07.30 | jvdm | does anyone know how to force font dpi refresh on all GTK windows after a `xrandr --dpi'? |
| 16:07.46 | ChrisH | wodim: postconf queue_directory shows the Q |
| 16:07.52 | wodim | ChrisH: thanks |
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| 16:08.05 | jvdm | i used to be a gnome user, and i remember that gnome configuration dialogs used to do that, but I want to understand the mechanism. |
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| 16:10.50 | SynrGy | Miesco: which version of iceweasel, and which version of flashplugin (are you using the one from flashplugin-nonfree? then: update-flashplugin-nonfree --status |
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| 16:14.46 | SynrGy | jvdm: i wonder why you are fiddling with dpi at all? if it's because you're an nvidia non-free driver user and all of a sudden your dpi is unusable, i know a solution to that. |
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| 16:15.27 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.37 | SynrGy | ^^ for your nvidia "Driver" xorg.conf section |
| 16:15.58 | SynrGy | if this isn't your problem, ignore it :) but i am curious, nonetheless |
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| 16:19.58 | jvdm | SynrGy: nah, it is just curiousity... |
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| 16:20.04 | jvdm | In the past I had this related problem on my laptop (messed up dpi) and at the time I called `xrandr --dpi' to fix it from .xsession -- didn't known about that xorg.conf option. |
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| 16:20.17 | jvdm | the case is, I never understood how gnome dialogs refresh the dpi without reloading the whole window. |
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| 16:24.58 | SynrGy | jvdm: beats me. there may be a whole gsettings-based communications layer there that keeps everything in sync |
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| 16:25.21 | ThreadKiLL | I got 24 users on my machine and in home folder i only see 2 folders, how is this possible? is my box hacked? |
| 16:25.22 | SynrGy | could be dbus is involved |
| 16:25.23 | ThreadKiLL | 16:24:03 up 2 days, 2:49, 24 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
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| 16:25.47 | SynrGy | no. '24 users' isn't what you think it means |
| 16:25.54 | ThreadKiLL | how can i display all users on my box ? |
| 16:25.55 | jelly | ThreadKiLL: it's actually 24 logged in sessions. |
| 16:26.14 | jelly | and that might even mean 20-ish xterms or screens. |
| 16:26.15 | ThreadKiLL | It says users |
| 16:26.30 | jelly | I know what it SAYS, I'm telling you what it MEANS. |
| 16:26.31 | ThreadKiLL | how can i display all users that created on my machine? |
| 16:26.31 | SynrGy | 'w' or 'who' |
| 16:27.08 | SynrGy | it's not relevant, but see /etc/passwd |
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| 16:27.38 | SynrGy | by convention, non-system users start at uid 1000 and go upwards from there |
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| 16:27.39 | ThreadKiLL | it doesnt answers my question tho' how can i display all accounts that created? are all account found on this file -> /etc/passwd |
| 16:28.00 | SynrGy | depends on what you call "account" |
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| 16:28.04 | jelly | ThreadKiLL: yes. (usually) |
| 16:28.10 | SynrGy | since arbitrary new non-system-users could be in /etc/passwd |
| 16:28.11 | ThreadKiLL | account that has ssh login |
| 16:28.32 | SynrGy | this, too, is fuzzy, because ssh could be configured to do "fancy" things with users :) |
| 16:28.57 | SynrGy | but in the normal case, yes, /etc/passwd, uid 1000 and up |
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| 16:29.17 | SynrGy | (but excluding a couple of specific very high uid #s) |
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| 16:29.49 | SynrGy | the "nobody" user, in particular |
| 16:29.55 | SynrGy | not a real user |
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| 16:30.22 | ThreadKiLL | I know cuz, real user indcates /bin/bash |
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| 16:30.44 | SynrGy | not always. a user can change that with chsh |
| 16:30.53 | pingfloyd | Not necessarily |
| 16:31.22 | ThreadKiLL | so all users that created found on /etc/passwd there's no way for them to create ghost user. PS: there are users that who is also sudoers too. |
| 16:31.38 | SynrGy | why are you pursuing this faulty line of reasoning? |
| 16:31.46 | pingfloyd | What's a ghost user? |
| 16:31.48 | SynrGy | what did "w" and/or "who" tell you about the "24 users"? |
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| 16:32.06 | ThreadKiLL | w <-- current logged to my vps |
| 16:32.19 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: What are you trying to achieve? We can only help you if you have specific questions. |
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| 16:32.35 | SynrGy | how is the vps implemented? certain hosting arrangements might give you a false reading |
| 16:33.23 | ThreadKiLL | root@omerta:~# w |
| 16:33.23 | ThreadKiLL | 16:32:36 up 2 days, 2:57, 24 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
| 16:33.59 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: Post the full output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:34.13 | ThreadKiLL | thats the output |
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| 16:34.37 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: It's missing the list of 24 users it found. |
| 16:34.42 | SynrGy | then it is almost certainly a false reading |
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| 16:34.52 | SynrGy | probably due to whatever underyling virtual hosting technology is used |
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| 16:35.17 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: Are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 16:35.33 | ThreadKiLL | I just wanna know why this happend or how to figure out this 24 users that created on my box. cant find it on /etc/passwd |
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| 16:36.00 | ThreadKiLL | I only create 8 users |
| 16:36.03 | pingfloyd | That's not created |
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| 16:36.08 | wasmith | thats active sessions |
| 16:36.12 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: Are you running Debian? |
| 16:36.13 | SynrGy | you say "my box" like it is entirely yours. that's a nice illusion :) a vps could be running on a host with more users. you only have the fiction of a real box. |
| 16:36.23 | ThreadKiLL | yep |
| 16:36.25 | wasmith | if you log in twice, or have screen open 4 times, it'll say 4 users |
| 16:36.26 | ThreadKiLL | kali |
| 16:36.27 | pingfloyd | That's sessions |
| 16:36.31 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 16:36.31 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:36.33 | SynrGy | kali is not debian |
| 16:36.42 | SynrGy | we don't know what other bizarre things they've done |
| 16:36.46 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: Ask in #kali, or more likely, your VPS service what's going on. |
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| 16:38.54 | ThreadKiLL | petn-randall, I will just contct the hoster and resetup my machine, the thing is i have tons of files on my server, not sure if how fast to create backup on these files. |
| 16:38.57 | pingfloyd | Security distro, but doesn't list the sessions. How ironic. |
| 16:38.57 | pingfloyd | Sounds like it is gluten free |
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| 16:39.41 | illo_ | hi |
| 16:39.52 | petn-randall | pingfloyd: You never know how they implemented the "virtual" part on the VPS. Maybe it's a single kernel with several unprivileged logins. |
| 16:41.25 | pingfloyd | petn-randall: people can do ridiculous implementations, yes. |
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| 16:41.44 | andril | hello |
| 16:42.06 | petn-randall | hi andril, do you have a Debian support question? |
| 16:42.15 | jelly | ThreadKiLL: you seem to be misinterpreting the output of w anyway, I'd be sure to understand it first before you reinstall and the same thing happens again when you open a dozen screen sessions. |
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| 16:43.23 | ThreadKiLL | jelly, as my small knowledge w doesnt display all users that created on my machine, w doesnt have to do with my concern, n my humble opinion w is " current username that logged on the vps " |
| 16:43.41 | andril | yes planning to reinstall Debian 7.7 and want to know if there are any "things to do after installing" or smxi scripts to get me up and running? |
| 16:43.42 | ThreadKiLL | if they logout then you cant find them there. im not sure you agree |
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| 16:43.52 | petn-randall | ThreadKiLL: You know, all these commands come with man pages ... |
| 16:44.07 | mtn | heh |
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| 16:44.45 | petn-randall | andril: The "things to do after installing" part strongly depends on what you actually want to do with the installation ... :) |
| 16:44.48 | mtn | andril: there could be all kinds of things you could do after installing. do you need to? depends on you and what you want to do. |
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| 16:45.07 | jelly | ThreadKiLL: "logged on" here actually means "have registered a tty in wtmp". You can "log on" by running screen or tmux or xterm, even if you did not actually log on at the console for remotely via ssh again |
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| 16:45.45 | petn-randall | And then you can have a reverse shell without actually updating wtmp ... |
| 16:45.47 | petn-randall | hides. |
| 16:46.02 | jelly | ThreadKiLL: it's a clue, but not a definitive answer to "how many people connected to the machine from outside" |
| 16:46.05 | andril | i just want the non-free stuff like Opera and Chrome |
| 16:46.25 | maxd | debian got a heretic protection |
| 16:46.28 | mtn | andril: did you know that debian comes with a wiki? you should take a look at it. |
| 16:46.30 | maxd | you won't download this closed stuff |
| 16:46.32 | maxd | hahahahaha |
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| 16:46.56 | pingfloyd | maxd: except it doesn't |
| 16:47.17 | jelly | andril: if you get Chrome .deb from Google, it will set up its own separate repo for updates. |
| 16:47.36 | andril | jelly, cool |
| 16:47.36 | pingfloyd | Debian simply doesn't support proprietary software and why should they |
| 16:47.43 | maxd | I know I know |
| 16:47.53 | andril | if i come back here can you you guys help as i go? |
| 16:47.57 | maxd | you can install what you want on debian, it is not android or ios |
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| 16:48.01 | pingfloyd | That doesn't mean you're forbidden from installing it |
| 16:48.23 | mtn | andril: yes, come back if you have problems |
| 16:48.24 | jelly | after all, it's a "universal operating system" |
| 16:48.37 | andril | i have used Ubuntu and Crunchbang but i need core Debian |
| 16:48.53 | andril | mtn, cool be back soon |
| 16:49.02 | pingfloyd | I.e. help with chrome is chrome's responsibility |
| 16:49.03 | maxd | debian in my eyes is the the most free system out there currently |
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| 16:49.33 | maxd | Though freedom can mean inconvenience sometimes... |
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| 16:52.03 | pingfloyd | Some people die for freedom, so what's inconvenience? |
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| 16:53.15 | petn-randall | pingfloyd: But surely not for Debian's freedom, right? |
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| 16:58.52 | maxd | But sometimes I feel at least like that when encountering the next bug :( |
| 16:59.04 | maxd | Your soul dies for Debisn! |
| 16:59.11 | maxd | hehe |
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| 17:00.47 | pingfloyd | maxd: I once saw a bug I reported fixed and updated in the repo in 2 hours |
| 17:01.47 | jelly | (... and that never happened since, or...?) |
| 17:03.09 | maxd | wonderful, when did you wake up afterwards? |
| 17:03.44 | maxd | ah, take your favorite sysadmin software, go into bug tracker, see all those bugs, all those tortured souls waiting for absolution... |
| 17:03.47 | maxd | and then look at the date |
| 17:04.48 | jelly | maxd: and then you avoid fixing them yourself and wait for some OTHER volunteer to do it. |
| 17:05.05 | maxd | that's the point |
| 17:05.20 | maxd | Some bugs I _had_ to fix. But often there is simply no time fixing it. |
| 17:05.21 | petn-randall | likes playing bug tracker mikado, too. |
| 17:05.27 | petn-randall | The first to move looses! |
| 17:05.43 | maxd | The problem is that some tools with bugs are written in a language I am not fluid with. |
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| 17:05.54 | jhutchins | Bugs I've reported to RedHat have mostly taken about two years to fix, although I did get one fixed in about 18 months. |
| 17:05.55 | maxd | Of course, one can still hunt bugs down, but it is painful, really. |
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| 17:06.23 | jelly | maxd: you can always pay someone to fix them. |
| 17:06.34 | petn-randall | Even if you don't know the language to fix the bug, a well-defined bug with a test case is often 80% of the job. |
| 17:06.36 | maxd | but then I can't become a pain-master |
| 17:06.49 | maxd | petn-randall: many debian tools don't use tests yet |
| 17:07.20 | jelly | points maxd to #debian-offtopic, keeping the support in here and rants over there |
| 17:07.30 | maxd | ok |
| 17:07.39 | maxd | but at least this was about debian, wasn't it? |
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| 17:18.58 | freisein22 | Hi |
| 17:19.08 | freisein22 | Hi |
| 17:19.54 | jelly | hello there, freisein22 |
| 17:19.56 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:19.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:22.40 | freisein22 | Debian is great. I love it since years. I use GNOME classic and i Miss the 3D effects and objects. |
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| 17:26.28 | jaggz-d | this is getting depressing.. I can't seem to get debian to install from usb. |
| 17:26.52 | jaggz-d | I'm running the live version (tried kde and gnome). if I do the install, it forces looking for a cdrom, which doesn't exist.. |
| 17:27.15 | jaggz-d | if I go into the live system and try the debian install icon, nothing happens.. no window.. |
| 17:27.36 | petn-randall | jaggz-d: How did you prepare the live image? |
| 17:27.43 | ungguy | very happy today.. got this pretty debian8 login bakcground image :) |
| 17:27.43 | jaggz-d | it appears that runs debian-installer-launcher, which if I run from terminal spits out: no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting. |
| 17:27.43 | jaggz-d | umount: /lib/live/installer: not found |
| 17:27.57 | jaggz-d | petn-randall, using xboot in windows |
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| 17:28.13 | maxd | when I use a desktop I want to get crap done and now fancy distracting, performance hogging 3d stuff |
| 17:28.21 | petn-randall | jaggz-d: If it's like unebootin, it'll break the image. |
| 17:28.30 | jaggz-d | it works well enough to boot into the live versions.. not enough to mimic a cdrom, of course :) |
| 17:28.44 | jaggz-d | no I'm in the live kde right now.. |
| 17:28.50 | jelly | jaggz-d: you're supposed to write the image directly onto a usb stick (using win32diskimager for example), any wrappers can confuse the installer and make it unable to find its own files on usb |
| 17:28.51 | petn-randall | !tell jaggz-d -about usb install |
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| 17:29.23 | jvdm | !tell jvdm -about usb install |
| 17:29.42 | jelly | jaggz-d: I don't know enough about xboot. If it's a well-known tool, it might be useful to fix debian-installer to be able to find itself on such a setup |
| 17:30.01 | lesta | !tell lesta -about usb install |
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| 17:30.24 | jelly | also: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 17:31.13 | hemlis | when is 8 coming out ? |
| 17:31.19 | ungguy | not sure which version you are trying to install but the beta live installer works well with me with unetbootin. just have to create itto usb with wheezy because of the 'missing menu32' thing |
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| 17:31.50 | petn-randall | !tell hemlis about wwjr |
| 17:31.54 | jaggz-d | hrm |
| 17:32.00 | jaggz-d | I wonder if I should try to fix this or not.. |
| 17:32.33 | jaggz-d | strace shows debian-installer-whatever is trying to find initrd.gz in locations like: /lib/live/mount/medium/install/gtk/initrd.gz |
| 17:32.34 | ungguy | try using the minimal cd and then add your own stuff later |
| 17:32.37 | hemlis | petn-randall: thanks lecture |
| 17:32.42 | jaggz-d | (then it tries without gtk/) |
| 17:32.43 | hemlis | for* |
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| 17:33.26 | rhagu | hi I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and this is what I see: http://postimg.org/image/pe6h3n45t/ what should I do now? |
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| 17:33.38 | jaggz-d | while /lib/live/mount/medium/ exists, there is no 'install' folder in it |
| 17:33.46 | petn-randall | jaggz-d: No, just prepare the usb image the way its meant to be. If xboot is like unetbootin, it'll break at 500 different places, there's no point in fixing this. |
| 17:33.48 | jaggz-d | s/folder/directory/ :} |
| 17:34.07 | jaggz-d | petn-randall, ok.. thanks.. I wonder why the live boot works.. but I guess it could be an assortment of things |
| 17:34.25 | jaggz-d | xboot is nice.. allows you to put multiple iso's on a single usb |
| 17:34.35 | petn-randall | rhagu: This is apt-listchanges, it's showing you the news/changelog in a pager. You can read it with pageup/pagedown and quit it with 'q'. |
| 17:34.42 | jaggz-d | has a built-in qemu so you can test your images/usbs in windows |
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| 17:34.58 | jelly | rhagu: you are in "less", terminal-based text viewer. use space or up and down cursor keys to scroll the list of news and changelogs, and q to quit and continue |
| 17:35.04 | jaggz-d | (although that didn't get past the debian splash screen when trying to live-boot .. in qemu) |
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| 17:35.07 | jaggz-d | anyhow.. okay.. |
| 17:35.10 | jaggz-d | thanks |
| 17:35.41 | jaggz-d | is gnome a good balance between offering capability and configuration and being pretty? |
| 17:35.45 | rhagu | jelly petn-randall thanks! Do I need to worry about something now? |
| 17:35.45 | jaggz-d | or should I stick with kde? |
| 17:36.01 | jaggz-d | I like the feel of the gnome live desktop over kde's.. |
| 17:36.06 | Dereckson | Hi. I tried to boot on this image on an UEFI-only computer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso A search about UEFI boot doesn't give me a lot of information. Would you know how can I create an USB key to install debian such UEFI-only computer? |
| 17:36.39 | jaggz-d | many years ago I much preferred kde because of its configurability.. others didn't even have good keyboard-shortcut mapping |
| 17:36.45 | jelly | rhagu: this is normal when you have apt-listchanges installed. If you're happy with the changes shown, just let apt-get/aptitude continue with the upgrade |
| 17:36.54 | petn-randall | jaggz-d: That's probably the reason the installer breaks. Use the supported ways and it'll work. Regarding Gnome/KDE: Install both, and try them, then pick the one you like more. |
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| 17:37.12 | rhagu | Ok, thanks a lot! |
| 17:37.19 | jelly | rhagu: the idea is to actually LOOK at what changes are going to be made to your system before you make them |
| 17:37.29 | jaggz-d | ok.. I'm having an internal issue with using an ssd that I haven't gotten over yet. I'm trying to minimize my use of it :) |
| 17:37.34 | jaggz-d | worried about "wear".. |
| 17:37.46 | jaggz-d | that's my internal issue.. |
| 17:38.02 | jaggz-d | (first time using an ssd).. |
| 17:38.12 | petn-randall | jaggz-d: By the time your home SSD wears, you will have bought a new one. Unless you plan on using it more than 10 years. |
| 17:38.16 | jaggz-d | actually I think my asus t101mt used an ssd.. hrm |
| 17:38.39 | jaggz-d | yeah, so I hear.. but that was after days and days of reading pages on how to reduce wear |
| 17:38.42 | jaggz-d | heh |
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| 17:38.49 | jaggz-d | anyway.. thanks.. afk.. writing new usb |
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| 17:39.17 | jaggz-d | actually should shut down |
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| 17:39.47 | jaggz-d | oh.. alternatively, I could boot and go into the installer (not live system), and mount the usb where the cdrom goes.. no? |
| 17:39.57 | petn-randall | Dereckson: Just like any other computer. Only caveat is that you need to deactivate secure boot, since that is not supported by Debian. |
| 17:39.59 | jaggz-d | and skip the "detect cdrom" step? |
| 17:40.03 | petn-randall | !tell Dereckson -about usb install |
| 17:40.25 | petn-randall | Dereckson: Also, is there a reason you're install a pre-release version of Debian? |
| 17:40.39 | jaggz-d | weird.. I didn't see Dereckson ask anything |
| 17:40.47 | Dereckson | petn-randall: thank you for the secure boot tip |
| 17:40.50 | jaggz-d | oh.. there it is.. n/m.. |
| 17:40.53 | jaggz-d | ok, afk.. thanks |
| 17:40.55 | Dereckson | I weren't aware of this feature. |
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| 17:41.09 | Dereckson | jaggz-d: 17:36:06 < Dereckson> Hi. I tried to boot on this image on an UEFI-only computer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso A search about UEFI boot doesn't give me a lot of information. Would you know how can I create an USB key to install debian such UEFI-only computer? |
| 17:41.11 | petn-randall | Dereckson: You're welcome. |
| 17:41.15 | jaggz-d | actually, shutting down so I can take my usb stick :) |
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| 17:41.22 | jaggz-d | thanks a lot for the help.. ttyl |
| 17:41.44 | Dereckson | petn-randall: recent version of software, especially GNOME and Docker |
| 17:42.03 | jaggz-d | wait.. I'm in uefi I think.. it's not going to be a problem with these other install images is it? |
| 17:42.05 | Dereckson | petn-randall: or be able to compile software with a recent version of libc |
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| 17:43.03 | petn-randall | Dereckson: If you're willing to test our new soon-to-be release of (probably) 2015, go ahead. Remember though that it's far for finished and still has some release-critical bugs. |
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| 17:45.02 | jelly | 2016!! |
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| 17:45.42 | andril | bots off |
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| 17:46.06 | psiklops | Hi. Are security repo mirrors down ? |
| 17:46.21 | andril | before the install help was everywhere - after install ghosts |
| 17:47.04 | HD|Laptop | I'm trying to open the serial port of a USB 3G modem with cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 9600 |
| 17:47.07 | psiklops | have wheezy running and get 404 Error on IP: 212.211.132.250 port 80 |
| 17:47.14 | HD|Laptop | but I get open (/dev/ttyUSB0): Permission denied |
| 17:47.16 | jelly | psiklops: wfm Get: 15 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release [102 kB] |
| 17:47.16 | psiklops | doing apt-get update |
| 17:47.25 | HD|Laptop | I'm root and lsof /dev/ttyUSB* shows nothing |
| 17:47.28 | HD|Laptop | why is this? |
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| 17:47.46 | jaggz | grr... win32diskimager wants .img files.. not .iso's |
| 17:47.50 | jelly | HD|Laptop: what did you expect it to do? |
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| 17:48.02 | petn-randall | jaggz: Just rename it. |
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| 17:48.07 | jaggz | k.. thanks |
| 17:48.13 | jelly | jaggz: the file name does not really matter, replace *.img with *.* in the dialog |
| 17:48.23 | jaggz | yeah.. |
| 17:48.27 | HD|Laptop | jelly, open me a connection so I can send AT^U2DIAG=0 |
| 17:48.40 | jelly | HD|Laptop: lsof won't do that. |
| 17:48.46 | petn-randall | psiklops: Maybe you're using a web proxy and that is giving problems? |
| 17:48.55 | jelly | HD|Laptop: what did you expect that particular command to do? |
| 17:49.03 | HD|Laptop | jelly, but cu would. lsof should show me processes using the device |
| 17:49.22 | psiklops | petn-randall, nope .. thanx anyway |
| 17:49.36 | jaggz | what was that command we used to be able to hit in ircii that would close it right away... |
| 17:50.12 | jaggz | (people would mess with others and get them to close down their client this way)... nevermind.. way off topic |
| 17:50.13 | jelly | HD|Laptop: hm. what if you try to open ttyUSB0 in minicom instead, same thing? |
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| 17:50.33 | jelly | jaggz: /quit ? |
| 17:50.40 | jaggz | nah.. something weird |
| 17:51.00 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, aah i know what you mean |
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| 17:51.08 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, the DCC C*NNECT bug? |
| 17:51.11 | jaggz | I've never used a usb modem.. HD|Laptop what was your problem? |
| 17:51.40 | andril | how do i get suso? |
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| 17:51.46 | andril | *sudo |
| 17:51.55 | petn-randall | andril: 'apt-get install sudo'? |
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| 17:52.10 | HD|Laptop | jelly, eh I've accidentally launched minicom inside a screen...without parameters |
| 17:52.22 | HD|Laptop | and I cant exit it because screen intercepts ctrl+a -.- |
| 17:52.35 | jaggz | hit ctrl-a a |
| 17:52.45 | jaggz | that'll send ^a through |
| 17:52.47 | HD|Laptop | ah thanks |
| 17:53.01 | jelly | or Escape, pause, some minicom command key |
| 17:53.17 | jelly | (faking Alt-somekey) |
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| 17:53.25 | jaggz | a ymodem begin transfer sequence |
| 17:53.28 | andril | peter-randall: root terminal right? |
| 17:53.47 | jaggz | andril: yes |
| 17:53.56 | petn-randall | andril: Yes, you need to be root to install or remove things,yes. |
| 17:54.18 | HD|Laptop | jelly, minicom says in bottom line CTRL-A Z for help | 9600 8N1 | NOR | Minicom 2.7 | VT102 | Offline | ttyUSB0 |
| 17:54.18 | andril | ok how do i set myself as su |
| 17:54.19 | jelly | andril: it can be a mere root shell, opened with eg. "su -" |
| 17:54.31 | HD|Laptop | I launched it with minicom -D /dev/ttyUSB0 -b 9600 |
| 17:54.38 | jaggz | you can do su - by the way.. right... ok.. |
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| 17:54.47 | jelly | HD|Laptop: sounds like it doesn't see your device. Press enter a couple times. |
| 17:54.53 | jaggz | su runs a shell.. su - runs it as a login shell.. sudo runs a single command |
| 17:55.09 | HD|Laptop | jelly, nope nothing happens |
| 17:55.30 | jaggz | sudo su - is sometimes useful for systems that give you sudo access but an invalid password for root (so su - doesn't work alone) |
| 17:55.38 | jelly | HD|Laptop: are you sure it's 9600 and not 115200? |
| 17:56.02 | jelly | jaggz: she doesn't have sudo installed. |
| 17:56.03 | HD|Laptop | jelly, even that doesnt change anything, besides on windows with putty any baudrate is supported |
| 17:56.17 | jelly | jaggz: also, "sudo su -" is silly when there's "sudo -i" |
| 17:56.25 | jaggz | jelly: yeah.. I'm going overboard with my 'help' ... |
| 17:56.30 | HD|Laptop | interesting, echo ATI > /dev/ttyUSB0 doesnt give an error. |
| 17:56.33 | jaggz | oh I didn't know sudo -i :) |
| 17:56.56 | jaggz | HD|Laptop: why would it? |
| 17:57.01 | jaggz | you can send garbage to the modem |
| 17:57.08 | jelly | HD|Laptop: hmm. if you unplug the device, does /dev/ttyUSB0 disappear? |
| 17:57.19 | jelly | (it ought to) |
| 17:57.21 | HD|Laptop | it should give again a permission denied error just as cu did |
| 17:57.42 | HD|Laptop | yes the three ttyUSB disappear |
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| 17:58.08 | jelly | HD|Laptop: plug it back in, try using ttyUSB1 |
| 17:58.08 | HD|Laptop | [10161.070031] option1 ttyUSB0: GSM modem (1-port) converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0 |
| 17:58.14 | HD|Laptop | this appears in dmesg |
| 17:58.22 | jaggz | stty < /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:58.35 | jaggz | http://serverfault.com/questions/30516/how-to-determine-the-baud-rate-of-a-serial-port |
| 17:58.38 | HD|Laptop | speed 9600 baud; line = 0; |
| 17:58.38 | HD|Laptop | -brkint -imaxbel |
| 17:58.49 | jaggz | did you turn echo on? |
| 17:59.04 | andril | i hear echoes :( |
| 17:59.10 | jelly | jaggz: those sticks fake their baud rate anyway, you can send megabits to them |
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| 17:59.21 | HD|Laptop | strange, still all three ports give the errors with cu |
| 17:59.21 | jaggz | andril: that's me repeating the useful things people say |
| 17:59.21 | HD|Laptop | cu: open (/dev/ttyUSB2): Permission denied |
| 17:59.21 | HD|Laptop | cu: /dev/ttyUSB2: Line in use |
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| 17:59.44 | jaggz | maybe something else has it open too :) |
| 17:59.57 | jaggz | why does it have 3 dev's? |
| 17:59.59 | jelly | HD|Laptop: is it possible NetworkManager takes it over? |
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| 18:00.33 | jelly | jaggz: my own old option-driver based stick creates two. the second one is used to query the device while ppp connection is established |
| 18:00.33 | jaggz | lsof /dev/ttyUSB2 |
| 18:00.51 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, new huawei crap, prior ones had two |
| 18:00.51 | jelly | jaggz: so basically one for data, one for commands |
| 18:00.52 | YokoBR | hi guys, i've been trying for hours and hours to make the 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) to work on Wheezy with no success :/ |
| 18:00.57 | iateadonut | i'm using wget to see if a list of sites is up or down. the site dannyjelaca.com redirects to http://dannyjelaca.com/fullscreen/welcome/ |
| 18:00.57 | iateadonut | wget --timeout=10 --tries=3 --delete-after --span-hosts --keep-session-cookies --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0" --referer=google.com --header="Accept: text/html" http://www.dannyjelaca.com |
| 18:01.26 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, well that with "someone else is using it" should not be the case as lsof doesnt show anythin |
| 18:01.28 | iateadonut | i use this command to check for a lot of sites, but for dannyjelaca, it gives me a 403 forbidden error. i'm wondering why that might be and what i can do with wget to make it work. |
| 18:01.45 | magnulu | how would you recommend to best maximixe bandwith to my backup-app (crashplan) during chosen hours of the week? |
| 18:01.46 | jelly | HD|Laptop: what about lsof -n |grep USB |
| 18:01.57 | jelly | (as root of course) |
| 18:02.05 | HD|Laptop | nothing |
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| 18:02.20 | HD|Laptop | and I run every command as root anyway |
| 18:02.34 | jaggz | iateadonut: might try #workingset |
| 18:02.40 | HD|Laptop | this is why it's strange I get a permission denied error |
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| 18:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ttyUSBxx is not a soft-link, by the way? |
| 18:02.51 | HD|Laptop | root should have permission to do anything |
| 18:02.57 | jelly | HD|Laptop: ls -ld /dev/ttyUSB0 says what? |
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| 18:03.04 | jaggz | HD|Laptop: maybe your user doesn't have access? |
| 18:03.04 | jaggz | oh |
| 18:03.16 | HD|Laptop | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 Dez 12 17:58 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 18:03.17 | HD|Laptop | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 1 Dez 12 17:58 /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 18:03.17 | HD|Laptop | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 2 Dez 12 17:58 /dev/ttyUSB2 |
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| 18:03.35 | jelly | HD|Laptop: lsof -n | grep '188,[012]' |
| 18:03.38 | jaggz | and a phone line is connected? |
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| 18:03.51 | jelly | jaggz: it's a 3G stick |
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| 18:03.59 | jaggz | oh |
| 18:04.00 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, 3G modem stick with a simcard |
| 18:04.15 | jaggz | is there a dialtone on 3g? :) |
| 18:04.17 | YokoBR | hi guys, i've been trying for hours and hours to make the 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) to work on Wheezy with no success :/ I was able connect, but it doesn't open any url |
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| 18:04.34 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, nope, everything digital |
| 18:04.43 | HD|Laptop | jelly, nothing again |
| 18:04.59 | jelly | so it really isn't open, even under a different /dev/ node |
| 18:05.00 | jaggz | I'm sorry, I meant it as a joke.. intending you to answer the 'real' questions first |
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| 18:05.33 | jaggz | does syslog say anything useful about the usb devices ? |
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| 18:05.48 | jelly | HD|Laptop: perhaps the device isn't really ready and needs to be poked with usbmodeswitch. Which model is it? |
| 18:05.49 | jaggz | tail -f /var/log/syslog # unplug and replug modem |
| 18:06.00 | HD|Laptop | yep |
| 18:06.08 | jelly | ,v usb-modeswitch |
| 18:06.09 | judd | Package: usb-modeswitch on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.4-2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3+repack0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.3+repack0-1; sid: 2.2.0+repack0-2; jessie: 2.2.0+repack0-2 |
| 18:06.43 | HD|Laptop | jelly, I know about usb-modeswitch, I removed it to rule it out |
| 18:06.44 | jelly | but those usually don't even present any usb-serial before they're poked |
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| 18:07.04 | HD|Laptop | jelly, I perma-switched it over with usb modeswitch already |
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| 18:07.13 | iateadonut | #workingset |
| 18:07.17 | HD|Laptop | this stupid thing was delivered with HiLink crap |
| 18:07.31 | iateadonut | jaggz, thanks |
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| 18:07.40 | HD|Laptop | basically a CDC ethernet adapter with a fixed(!) IP address of 192.168.8.1 |
| 18:07.53 | YokoBR | please, i can't use the broadcom wifi device |
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| 18:08.01 | HD|Laptop | problem is my fritzbox router isnt compatible with this stuff, only with "real" modems |
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| 18:08.09 | HD|Laptop | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/136241/ |
| 18:08.19 | jaggz | YokoBR: hmm.. can you ping your router? |
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| 18:08.59 | YokoBR | jaggz, 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) I was able to connect, but it doesn't open any url |
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| 18:09.19 | jelly | HD|Laptop: damn, google says that usb-id corresponds to oldish Huawei E173 |
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| 18:09.29 | jaggz | yes, but can you tell me the model of your network card? |
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| 18:09.51 | YokoBR | BCM4312 |
| 18:09.56 | YokoBR | Jaggz |
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| 18:10.03 | jaggz | ok.. and my prior question? |
| 18:10.08 | HD|Laptop | jelly, might be huawei firmware issue after that usb-modeswitch command |
| 18:10.15 | jaggz | know how to ping? from shell? |
| 18:10.18 | YokoBR | jaggz, nope, i can't ping anything |
| 18:10.20 | jaggz | ping -n router-ip |
| 18:10.34 | jaggz | does ifconfig show your device? |
| 18:10.43 | jaggz | see ifconfig and iwconfig outputs |
| 18:10.49 | jaggz | (I think it was iwconfig) |
| 18:10.51 | YokoBR | i mean, i can ping...I was trying the wrong ip |
| 18:10.54 | jelly | HD|Laptop: which brand/model does it say on the box? |
| 18:11.05 | HD|Laptop | E3531-s2 |
| 18:11.12 | YokoBR | omg |
| 18:11.15 | YokoBR | forget it |
| 18:11.18 | YokoBR | i can't ping |
| 18:11.29 | YokoBR | i was with the cable connected (dumb)... |
| 18:11.39 | jaggz | HD|Laptop: firmware update! |
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| 18:11.55 | YokoBR | jaggz, i can't ping anything for sure.. |
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| 18:12.27 | YokoBR | only localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:12.41 | nohklm | hello ! |
| 18:13.07 | nohklm | any french here ? |
| 18:13.09 | IsItPluggedIn | YokoBR: does ifconfig show the device? |
| 18:13.20 | YokoBR | IsItPluggedIn: yep |
| 18:13.23 | IsItPluggedIn | ugh |
| 18:13.33 | YokoBR | IsItPluggedIn: it get's the ip from dhcp also |
| 18:13.36 | jaggz | its ip in ifconfig? |
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| 18:13.53 | HD|Laptop | re |
| 18:13.54 | jaggz | you see its ip and the routers ip? |
| 18:13.59 | nohklm | Cool, alors c'est quoi ici ? (en fait je suis un pot qui viens boire des biere) |
| 18:13.59 | HD|Laptop | xchat crashed -.- |
| 18:14.03 | YokoBR | IsItPluggedIn: yep... Everything looks fine |
| 18:14.03 | YokoBR | yep |
| 18:14.22 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, firmware update doesnt work as windows update cannot find the drivers |
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| 18:14.35 | jaggz | YokoBR: but ping -n router ip doesn't work.. yet it gets its IP from the router with dhcp? |
| 18:14.47 | jaggz | sounds like a problem with the encryption then no? (anyone.. anyone) |
| 18:14.59 | jelly | HD|Laptop: I've no ideas. (Hail Mary pass -- upgrade kernel, see if it works any different ;-) |
| 18:15.03 | YokoBR | jaggz: yep. That's the strange part. |
| 18:15.14 | YokoBR | i'll make a test. brb |
| 18:15.20 | jaggz | before bothering with web tests, make sure you can get pings through |
| 18:15.33 | jaggz | while fixing this |
| 18:15.45 | jaggz | I know if I had a wrong key set I might connect but couldn't get traffic through |
| 18:16.11 | YokoBR | jaggz: i can ping the router, but not my gateway |
| 18:16.26 | YokoBR | jaggz: the access ponint is pingable. |
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| 18:16.32 | jaggz | oh.. well there you go |
| 18:16.48 | jaggz | can you point your browser to the router ip? |
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| 18:16.52 | jaggz | http://192.168..... |
| 18:16.59 | HD|Laptop | re. |
| 18:17.17 | jaggz | HD|Laptop: hmm.. manufacturer maybe has a downloadable update though? |
| 18:17.32 | jaggz | might just be a wild goose chase anyway |
| 18:17.43 | HD|Laptop | yeah, I already have it - the problem is that the updater cannot talk to the stick because of the missing drivers |
| 18:17.53 | jaggz | I assume web searches failed to find anyone successful.. or even the assumption of success? |
| 18:17.53 | HD|Laptop | god, windows is a hellhole when it comes to drivers |
| 18:18.01 | jaggz | "I've been using blah blah.. " without complaints |
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| 18:18.14 | HD|Laptop | a USB keyboard needs half a minute and WIN UPDATE DRIVERS to work, in linux it works in under half a second |
| 18:18.24 | jaggz | so.. install drivers.. then do firmware update? |
| 18:18.53 | jaggz | yeah.. the delays in computer parts interacting makes me wonder... |
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| 18:19.19 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, that gives us the question... which drivers?! huawei doesnt distribute them |
| 18:20.04 | HD|Laptop | hmm maybe if I disassemble their mobile partner stuff |
| 18:20.28 | carletto | Is Jessie ok for internet banking or is dangerous? I mean for the average desktop users |
| 18:20.30 | jaggz | can render 1000 fps in a video game.. and cpu's are in gigahertz.. but it takes 30 seconds for a 300k program to pop up :) |
| 18:21.07 | HD|Laptop | jaggz, at least for my windows notebook I managed to cut loading times by installing a SSD ;D |
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| 18:21.34 | jaggz | yeah I need to return to my debian install.. using an ssd the first time |
| 18:21.48 | jaggz | I leave my computer on pretty much all of the time.. so load time isn't that much of an issue |
| 18:22.28 | jaggz | carletto: nothing is safe |
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| 18:23.04 | jaggz | firefox has bugs that let people install stuff on your computer, just like every other client and server.. it's horrible |
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| 18:24.40 | zerothis | when was the BSDgames ported to Linux? |
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| 18:24.59 | SynrGy | the dawn of history? |
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| 18:25.29 | carletto | Jaggz: I know, but that's not the point |
| 18:26.08 | acrawford | It seems my site is cached to an old IP, but only for my computer! |
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| 18:26.16 | SynrGy | zerothis: changelogs are good sources of this info |
| 18:26.17 | acrawford | I'm on a pretty vanilla Debian, checked multiple browsers, cleared cache etc |
| 18:26.29 | YokoBR | jaggz: no deal... i can enter on my modem config adress, but i can't navigate on any other website, neither ping any other device on my network |
| 18:26.49 | acrawford | it's been 3 days since I added the A record, http://alexcrawford.me , is still going to a blank Index page on my PC |
| 18:27.11 | acrawford | but works everywhere else... |
| 18:27.13 | PryMar56 | WormFood, happy friday.. thanks for setting up that mirror |
| 18:27.33 | WormFood | no problem PryMar56 |
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| 18:27.57 | petemc | acrawford: did you set up an entry in /etc/hosts ? |
| 18:27.59 | jaggz | YokoBR: but you can get to your router's web interface?? |
| 18:28.12 | acrawford | petemc, not for the old site, I cleared my /etc/hosts |
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| 18:28.25 | SynrGy | zerothis: possibly '97. at least that's when the Debian changelog starts. i don't know if it existed as a linux package prior to this. |
| 18:28.32 | acrawford | if I put the IP / domain in /etc/hosts, it resolves |
| 18:28.36 | YokoBR | jaggz yep |
| 18:28.38 | acrawford | but as soon as I remove it, back to the old cache |
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| 18:28.58 | petemc | acrawford: does dig +trace alexcrawford.me look to do the right thing? |
| 18:29.07 | jaggz | acrawford: and if you remove the host from etc/hosts, what does your .. what petemc said... |
| 18:29.08 | SynrGy | zerothis: "Many changes to get it all to compile" sounds like it probably didn't work at all on linux of any kind :p |
| 18:29.19 | WormFood | acrawford, what is the proper ip for your site? |
| 18:29.28 | acrawford | 104.236.177.144 |
| 18:29.38 | acrawford | I do see the A record in dig trace |
| 18:30.04 | jaggz | YokoBR: what does dig www.google.com say? |
| 18:30.21 | petemc | acrawford: and if you resolve it normally, like with ping, what does it say? |
| 18:30.41 | WormFood | acrawford, it seems ok to me. what dns server are you using? (what does your /etc/resolv.conf say?) |
| 18:30.44 | jaggz | maybe you just need to get your dns setup properly.. it might not be getting it properly from the router (router config might be bad) |
| 18:30.52 | HZun | what are the advantages of using a VTE-based terminal emulator instead of a non-VTE-based terminal emulator? and vice versa? |
| 18:30.54 | acrawford | Lol if I ping it, also get's correct server |
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| 18:31.02 | jaggz | so try dig www.google.com, then try dig @8.8.4.4 www.google.com |
| 18:31.13 | acrawford | jaggz, it happens on any network, just this computer |
| 18:31.14 | YokoBR | jaggz: timeout |
| 18:31.26 | jaggz | YokoBR: and my last command |
| 18:31.46 | acrawford | /etc/resolv.conf is handled by NetworkManager, some generic nameserverrs for this network |
| 18:32.07 | YokoBR | jaggz: both gave me timeout |
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| 18:32.18 | jaggz | k.. this is actually to YokoBR not acrawford.. even though the topics might have some relation :) |
| 18:32.24 | jaggz | YokoBR: traceroute -n 8.8.4.4 ? |
| 18:32.32 | jaggz | (don't add the ?) |
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| 18:33.21 | YokoBR | jaggz: only 11 * * 192.168.0.226 2999.966 ms !H |
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| 18:33.38 | jaggz | 11? |
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| 18:33.44 | jaggz | pastebin it |
| 18:33.50 | YokoBR | yep, the other 10 was only *** |
| 18:33.52 | jaggz | well.. does it get to your router and get past it? |
| 18:33.54 | jaggz | oh |
| 18:33.58 | jaggz | hmm |
| 18:34.15 | jaggz | what's .226? |
| 18:34.26 | jaggz | why such a high ms .. weird.. |
| 18:34.26 | YokoBR | the wifi ip |
| 18:34.37 | YokoBR | i mean, now i've put mannually |
| 18:34.39 | jaggz | the router is at 226? |
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| 18:34.48 | YokoBR | nope |
| 18:34.57 | YokoBR | router is 1 |
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| 18:35.18 | jaggz | so you can ping your router, but traceroute shows your own IP only? |
| 18:35.19 | acrawford | anything else you can think, why it's just the PC? |
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| 18:35.30 | YokoBR | jaggz: exactly |
| 18:35.59 | jaggz | my traceroute doesn't show my ip.. maybe it does that when it fails to get out |
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| 18:36.32 | jaggz | I'm still thinking it might be an encryption issue.. not sure though |
| 18:36.43 | YokoBR | jaggz, i've put on dhcp again |
| 18:36.45 | YokoBR | let me try |
| 18:36.48 | jaggz | and I'm running out of ideas and time.. |
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| 18:37.02 | jaggz | acrawford: just.. sorta... troubleshoot.. y'know? |
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| 18:38.05 | YokoBR | jaggz! Now the dig @8.8.8.8 worked |
| 18:38.09 | jaggz | (echo -e 'GET / HTTP/1.0\nHost: www.foo.com\n'; sleep 5) | telnet ip-here 80 |
| 18:38.16 | YokoBR | with dhcp instead of fixed ip |
| 18:38.40 | YokoBR | but trace and ping are still not working. |
| 18:38.41 | jaggz | router might not be set to allow just any old ip .. mine is set to limit the wifi and dhcp ranges |
| 18:38.57 | jelly-home | jaggz: doesn't HTTP specify \r\n as delimiters? |
| 18:39.04 | jaggz | maybe those are firewalled somehow.. seems strange for NS to work but not ping nor traceroute... |
| 18:39.17 | jaggz | jelly-home: probably.. I don't care.. :) |
| 18:39.34 | jaggz | servers are tolerant enough for my slop |
| 18:40.03 | jaggz | \r\n is for mechanical typewriters! |
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| 18:40.27 | jelly-home | try telling that to a SMTP server, see how far you get |
| 18:40.56 | jaggz | YokoBR: so.. if your dig is working.. perhaps you can manually edit /etc/resolv.conf and add a nameserver to the top (add 8.8.4.4 for instance.. of course you're letting google's server know each host you look up) |
| 18:41.24 | jaggz | just being responsible for when I say "do this".. nothing special intended there |
| 18:41.30 | jaggz | and then try your browser |
| 18:41.32 | YokoBR | jaggz, but why would that only affect wifi connection? |
| 18:42.05 | jaggz | oh.. also see if a telnet 74.125.239.145 80 works |
| 18:42.19 | jaggz | that's the first ip I get for google's website |
| 18:42.30 | jaggz | I'm lazy minded so I keep picking google |
| 18:42.52 | jaggz | smtp is like an old typewriter :) |
| 18:43.01 | jaggz | (jelly-home) |
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| 18:43.21 | YokoBR | jaggz: connected |
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| 18:43.41 | jaggz | YokoBR: ok.. and what's your IP now that you're connected via dhcp? |
| 18:43.46 | jaggz | ifconfig |
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| 18:44.53 | jaggz | you're too slow |
| 18:44.59 | jaggz | :) I have to go.. |
| 18:45.13 | jaggz | so.. maybe set that same IP (I think that's fine with dhcp).. as a static one.. and set a static dns |
| 18:45.15 | jaggz | and maybe it's all good |
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| 18:45.33 | jaggz | then, check your router settings for the acceptable wifi ip range |
| 18:45.42 | acrawford | Where could this site possibly be caching?? It's not on the browser |
| 18:45.45 | jaggz | and for its DNS server, that it's giving to your clients |
| 18:45.58 | jaggz | acrawford: lynx/links/elinks load the page fine? |
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| 18:46.15 | jaggz | being blank doesn't necessarily mean cachine |
| 18:46.19 | acrawford | jaggz, what's that? |
| 18:46.20 | jaggz | misconfigured apache maybe |
| 18:46.28 | jaggz | acrawford: text based browsers |
| 18:46.29 | acrawford | jaggz, but it's only THIS pc |
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| 18:46.43 | acrawford | and it's the old server's Index page, I can tell |
| 18:46.57 | YokoBR_ | Jaggz, putting the google's dns on resolv.conf did the trick! |
| 18:47.07 | jaggz | YokoBR: so.. getting bad DNS from dhcp |
| 18:47.13 | jaggz | router config |
| 18:47.23 | jaggz | our isp? routers can get dns from isps too I think no? |
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| 18:47.33 | jaggz | acrawford: I have to go.. I'm sorry |
| 18:47.38 | acrawford | np |
| 18:47.40 | jaggz | I have so much to handle.. :( |
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| 18:47.53 | YokoBR_ | jaggz: idk :/ |
| 18:47.59 | Jason__ | I'm trying to created a bonded interface with 2 NICs but it's not working. Are each of the slaves supposed to have assigned IPs? |
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| 18:48.02 | jaggz | test different things by hand.. sad to hear you don't know lynx and stuff because you'll likely be limited in your ability to troubleshoot in many ways then.. |
| 18:48.19 | jaggz | tries very hard to ignore Jason__ |
| 18:48.27 | jaggz | no offense :) just.. have to go |
| 18:48.31 | acrawford | ill try lynx if you recommend that one |
| 18:48.38 | jaggz | links probably better.. |
| 18:48.45 | jaggz | just text browsers.. use another graphical one if you want |
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| 18:48.59 | Jason__ | I used the Debian bonding guide here: https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 18:49.01 | jaggz | just want to isolate where the problem happens.. I put out a telnet command up there (echo -e .....) |
| 18:49.02 | Jason__ | with mode 6 |
| 18:49.10 | jaggz | that's another way to test.. outside of the browser |
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| 18:49.45 | jaggz | if another browser does it (use any of them.. any other browser) |
| 18:49.49 | jaggz | they don't share a cache .. |
| 18:50.05 | jaggz | so then it must be something else either caching it.. or not a cache issue at all |
| 18:50.05 | acrawford | it's cached in lynx too :/ |
| 18:50.19 | acrawford | right, some networking thing, I just don't know where to look beyond browsers |
| 18:50.27 | jaggz | dig the host |
| 18:50.29 | jaggz | get the ip |
| 18:50.33 | jaggz | make sure it's the correct IP! |
| 18:50.35 | jaggz | traceroute to it |
| 18:50.35 | acrawford | it is |
| 18:50.47 | jaggz | make sure the paths for your systems are all going there |
| 18:51.03 | jaggz | make sure you're absolutely sure and sure that you're sure that it's the old server's index page |
| 18:51.35 | acrawford | yeah tracetroute even went to the right IP :/ |
| 18:51.51 | jaggz | I don't know why I suspect anything there anyway.. I think because earlier you said the page was blank.. and now you're saying it's an old page |
| 18:51.52 | acrawford | how baffling. but all browsers and lynx show old server index |
| 18:52.08 | jaggz | and if it's your server, tail -f the webserver log to see if your ip hits that host |
| 18:52.15 | acrawford | sorry it's just a blank Index of / cgi bin |
| 18:52.38 | jaggz | and tcpdump 'host <your problematic computer ip>' to see what happens when you hit the server |
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| 18:53.48 | jaggz | (that's done ON the web server) |
| 18:54.02 | jaggz | okay.. g'luck |
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| 18:54.22 | acrawford | thanks |
| 18:54.29 | jaggz | maybe I'll be back later.. there are actual smart people in here who can probably help.. this might not be a debian issue at all.. but I don't know where you'd ask such a question |
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| 18:54.42 | jaggz | so bug them. they're paid in the social interaction they get. |
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| 18:55.10 | jaggz | and the respect and admiration of the ascii |
| 18:55.16 | jaggz | & afk |
| 18:55.22 | Drugo | hello |
| 18:56.37 | acrawford | haha |
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| 19:01.49 | Stanto | I have a windows PC, I want to setup my 8gByte USB stick to install debian jessie onto another computer. The other computer doesn't have network access - unetbootin causes the install to boot into a GUI environment with a resolution that isn't supported by the screen. Can anyone assist? |
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| 19:02.28 | Jason__ | Odd. /etc/init.d/networking stop doesn't actually stop networking, nor does stopping network-manage. ifdown eth1 says not configured (but it is). What's going on? |
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| 19:06.01 | jelly-home | Jason__: that init script does not do what people expect it to, except in specific circumstances. |
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| 19:06.26 | BusError | Argh Debian SID machine, installed and stable for YEARS. 30 days uptime, i reboot it and now it check disks etc, but instead of going into 'multiuser' it goes straight into 'shutdown' mode and turns off... now way to stop it. Anyone has a clue? I suspect systemd! |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | suspects Sid user |
| 19:07.10 | jelly-home | Jason__: also, ifdown only works well if the device has actually been configured with ifup (maunally or at boot) |
| 19:07.48 | Jason__ | jelly-home, I'm trying to create a bonded interface but the slaves continue to have their own IPs. I would like to stop networking and release all IPs but neither ifdown or networking stop helps, as you suggested |
| 19:07.49 | mofino | BusError, single user mode doesn't work? |
| 19:08.01 | mofino | Jason__, ifdown --force |
| 19:08.10 | mofino | ifconfig, ip link |
| 19:08.18 | BusError | mofino, singel user works perfectly! no error. As soon as I control-D, poof, shutdown |
| 19:08.41 | mofino | yeah i dunno |
| 19:08.56 | jelly-home | Jason__: restore old interfaces file, THEN try to ifdown (with --force or not) |
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| 19:09.49 | jelly-home | Jason__: alternatively, deconfigure them manually with ip or ifconfig |
| 19:09.59 | mofino | --force will work without a config |
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| 19:10.19 | Jason__ | doing it with network-manager works |
| 19:10.26 | mofino | heh |
| 19:10.49 | Jason__ | Are the slaves in a bonded setup supposed to have their own IPs? |
| 19:10.52 | mofino | it would have worked with any of the above methods |
| 19:11.47 | Jason__ | when i setup the bond i just see a ton of dropped packets |
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| 19:13.43 | mofino | bonding requires more than just setting it up on one side.. |
| 19:14.00 | mofino | ohwell |
| 19:14.06 | jasonwc | I'm still here |
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| 19:14.15 | jasonwc | My understanding was that balance-alb requires no special switch support |
| 19:14.31 | jasonwc | and you can just set it up on one side and it will allow better than single port speeds for multiple clients |
| 19:14.33 | mofino | it would only be one way |
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| 19:15.10 | acrawford | Regarding my caching issue, if my work is caching DNS somehow, not on my PC |
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| 19:15.14 | acrawford | would using a VPN avoid that? |
| 19:15.21 | mofino | heh |
| 19:15.26 | mofino | #debian |
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| 19:15.54 | jasonwc | mofino, I thought with balance-alb you can send and receive at greater than a single port would allow |
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| 19:16.44 | mofino | jasonwc, i'm sure the documentation knows best |
| 19:17.12 | jaggzed | if my partitions are already created, .. what do I do in the install? |
| 19:17.42 | jaggzed | I already created a blank boot ext4 partition in gparted, and one for root (also ext4) |
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| 19:18.12 | jaggzed | the install has a "use as .. ext4 journaling file system ... do not use the partition" |
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| 19:19.08 | Drugo | this issue https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752023 is considered resolved, but when i tried to update the falshplugin i got the same error: http://pastie.org/9777018 , even after removing the package and reinstalling it (in fact i'm withouth flash right now). Any hint? |
| 19:19.09 | acrawford | could using a VPN help my DNS cache or whatever issue? |
| 19:20.23 | hugbot | did anyone finish helping that dude with his acpi problem ? |
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| 19:26.10 | DammitJim | where on spamassassin do I check for a message that got rejected? |
| 19:26.16 | DammitJim | it has an attachment that I need |
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| 19:28.05 | mofino | DammitJim, this is #debian |
| 19:28.40 | mofino | DammitJim, usually in your mail logs |
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| 19:30.26 | DammitJim | thanks mofino ... I ask here because it was packaged differently than how it gets distributed |
| 19:30.41 | DammitJim | just trying to "read" the actual email and attachment |
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| 19:33.37 | jelly-home | DammitJim: how did you plug spamassassin into your mail system? There are options. |
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| 19:46.08 | jaggzirritated | sighs |
| 19:46.36 | jaggzirritated | okay.. so I did the install.. but right after configuring the package manager, and grub install, it said something was done and it was time to reboot |
| 19:46.54 | jaggzirritated | I don't recall it really installing the system though.. but when I rebooted it didn't boot.. not sure what that's about |
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| 19:48.03 | jaggzirritated | hmm.. I only see one partition too.. a GPT.. |
| 19:48.07 | jaggzirritated | is fdisk invalid for GPT now? |
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| 19:49.16 | jaggzatient | gparted shows the partitions okay |
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| 19:50.11 | jaggzatient | I can mount the partitions and I see files |
| 19:50.27 | jaggzatient | it's a new system.. new uefi bios |
| 19:50.31 | jaggzatient | what's going on? :( |
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| 20:39.03 | jhutchins | jaggz: Yes, fdisk is and has always been unaware of GPT |
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| 20:39.48 | jhutchins | jaggz: /msg dpkg fixgrub - should work for GPT and EFI. |
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| 21:01.11 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I will install Debian Stable on my Macbook, when will jessie become stable? |
| 21:01.15 | Ephexeve | I don't want to move to Systemd |
| 21:01.21 | Ephexeve | So that's why the question |
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| 21:03.48 | mtn | Ephexeve: jessie will most likely be stable some time next year. |
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| 21:04.37 | Ephexeve | Thanks. |
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| 21:05.01 | Ephexeve | mtn: When it becomes stable, will it make me use Systemd? |
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| 21:05.19 | mtn | Ephexeve: it will be installed by default, but other init systems will be supported |
| 21:05.43 | mtn | Ephexeve: and by the way, jessie and systemd work just fine |
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| 21:13.41 | cybrNaut | firefox crashes alot after recent updates |
| 21:13.59 | cybrNaut | i suggest not doing aptitude update on firefox |
| 21:14.36 | mtn | cybrNaut: maybe that is why debian does not have firefox ;) |
| 21:14.59 | cybrNaut | mtn: it's in the official debian repos |
| 21:15.09 | cybrNaut | differs only in name (search iceweasel) |
| 21:15.10 | mtn | cybrNaut: no it is not |
| 21:15.21 | cybrNaut | differs only in name (search iceweasel) |
| 21:15.28 | mtn | cybrNaut: which version of debian? |
| 21:15.35 | cybrNaut | wheezy |
| 21:15.57 | mtn | cybrNaut: move your .mozilla and start iceweasel. see if it works better. |
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| 21:17.11 | cybrNaut | mtn: moving .mozilla will lose all the profiles and their settings |
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| 21:17.47 | mtn | cybrNaut: temporarily only. a good test to see if it is the app or the settings/configs |
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| 21:18.02 | mtn | cybrNaut: troubleshooting 101 ;) |
| 21:18.06 | cybrNaut | the menu is also lost in the latest version.. no apparent way to start livehttp headers |
| 21:18.54 | cybrNaut | mtn: iirc, firefox is messier than that.. it's quite touchy |
| 21:19.00 | mtn | cybrNaut: the menu can be added. it is in the settings, somewhere |
| 21:19.05 | cybrNaut | i don't think profiles can be moved around like that |
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| 21:19.27 | mtn | cybrNaut: of course they can, I do it all the time. |
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| 21:21.13 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Moving it is instead of deleting it, you can move it back. Moving it from one user to another is a different issue. |
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| 21:24.43 | cybrNaut | some of the menu is embedded in the startup page. tools is lost |
| 21:24.44 | cybrNaut | no way to start live http headers |
| 21:24.58 | cybrNaut | looks like a fuck up to me |
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| 21:27.15 | cybrNaut | i had to add a button to the interface in order to be able to start live http headers.. i don't necessarily want it blowing screen space |
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| 21:30.29 | jhutchins | Ephexeve: If I understand the plans at this point, if you install wheezy with SysV init, upgrading to jessie won't convert it to systemd. That's probably the easiest way to get there. |
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| 21:38.21 | Ephexeve | jhutchins: perfect, thanks |
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| 21:41.30 | jhutchins | Ephexeve: The sad thing is somebody's eventually going to rewrite some essential component so that it requires systemd not only be present but be what's used by the system. Probably something for gnome that doesn't work without the rest of gnome but is system essential. |
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| 21:43.39 | Ephexeve | mmm |
| 21:43.41 | Ephexeve | hmm |
| 21:43.43 | Ephexeve | man |
| 21:43.45 | Ephexeve | damn it |
| 21:43.49 | Ephexeve | why are people moving to systemd? |
| 21:43.51 | Ephexeve | :( |
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| 21:44.29 | bazhang | Ephexeve, #debianfork |
| 21:44.47 | Ephexeve | bazhang: thanks |
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| 21:44.49 | jhutchins | Ephexeve: A lot of reasons. Parallelized startup was probably the initial motive, but also more flexibility in how start-up programs are managed on a live system. Red Hat has put a lot of money/time/effort into it, and people want to leverage that work rather than fight it. |
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| 21:45.08 | rbnielsen | I have an Logitech Performance MX mouse, and using wheezy. I would like to make a mouse click combination which would open et new tab in Google Chrome. I also have Solaar installed. This combination would be one of the thumb buttons and a right click (for those who know the mouse). How would I proceed? What should I look for? Which settings should I set? |
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| 21:45.54 | Ephexeve | jhutchins: Hmmm |
| 21:45.57 | Ephexeve | I see.. |
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| 21:47.14 | jhutchins | Ephexeve: SysV is pretty bad about waiting until a subsystem is actually functional before starting something that depends on it. When hardware was slower it wasn't as much of a problem. |
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| 21:47.42 | CheckDavid | When I installed Debian there was no way of connecting to WiFi. Someone gave me a a solution to that problem but that solution included installing stuff from the web through the terminal. |
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| 21:48.22 | zh1 | does debian xfce by default bring vim? |
| 21:48.48 | dutchfish | Ephexeve, to my humble opinion, we have seen parralelisation in the kernel for a couple of itterations, a logical followup is bring process managemnt on par, in the future prolly followed up by brining userland threads op to par. Systemd is actually a logical development. |
| 21:49.22 | Ephexeve | Hm, I see |
| 21:49.25 | Ephexeve | it's makin sense |
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| 21:50.16 | eristisk | What do I do when kill -9 does not work? |
| 21:50.24 | jhutchins | eristisk: reboot. |
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| 21:51.49 | Quatroking | haaa i installed xming on my windows desktop and now I can run x11 programs through ssh on my machine |
| 21:51.52 | Quatroking | this is so cool |
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| 21:53.00 | jhutchins | Quatroking: You may also be interested in cygwin. |
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| 21:53.30 | Quatroking | jhutchins, I installed it earlier today |
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| 21:53.37 | Quatroking | haven't used it yet though |
| 21:53.45 | Quatroking | not really sure what to use it for actually |
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| 21:56.09 | maxd | hi |
| 21:56.15 | maxd | jhutchins: hi! What a joy to see you online. |
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| 21:56.49 | maxd | jhutchins: So I only need to sign the changes files of sources and binary packages. But when should I sign? Using the package builder I currently use? Or after building? |
| 21:57.05 | maxd | the issue is that I don't know where to start here |
| 21:57.23 | maxd | there are some debian docs, but they are contradicting themselves with tools of newer versions |
| 21:57.52 | maxd | So I use debuild -S to build the source package, a debian package builder to build the binary package and dput to upload the package to repository (local test repo). |
| 21:58.07 | maxd | Now I also want to sign the packages. So they can be installed directly without forcing. |
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| 21:59.09 | dutchfish | maxd, ask #debian-mentors (and be patient) |
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| 21:59.30 | maxd | dutchfish: I was patient :( |
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| 22:00.29 | dutchfish | maxd, rem some live in different timezones ;) |
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| 22:01.32 | maxd | dutchfish: right, one easily forgets this |
| 22:01.39 | maxd | dutchfish: hm, you got some experience with package signing? :D |
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| 22:01.47 | ompaul | maxd: make it your mission to remember it and ask in #mentors |
| 22:01.55 | ompaul | maxd: make it your mission to remember it and ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 22:02.16 | jelly-home | that's over there on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:02.31 | maxd | oh |
| 22:02.33 | maxd | jelly-home: hi |
| 22:02.33 | ompaul | wghich is /server irc.oftc.net |
| 22:02.37 | ompaul | and game on |
| 22:02.43 | ompaul | looks at the clock |
| 22:02.48 | ompaul | runs away back later |
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| 22:05.48 | maxd | Sign the binary package 1) using the builder which builds it or 2) the changes files after building. |
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| 22:10.27 | Mawrick | Is there a way to set debian back to "default" kernel/settings etc (experimenting with nvidia drivers - and ends up doing re-installs between "fails...:) )....any easier way ? |
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| 22:21.09 | wasmith | has anyone actually tried this? |
| 22:21.11 | wasmith | https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
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| 22:21.23 | wasmith | I mean sure, its possible...but boy does it sound scary |
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| 22:21.41 | reindernix | I don't even dare to try it |
| 22:21.56 | wasmith | I can snapshot the machine, as its a vm |
| 22:22.00 | wasmith | and i have console access |
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| 22:22.14 | wasmith | but I really cannot be arsed to migrate the data/rebuild/configure again |
| 22:22.15 | cantoma | hey guys, I am install gcc from source as I need a library from an earlier version. This is for an old machine with squeeze on it. Is it fine to do "make install" with an existing version of gcc already installed by deb package? |
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| 22:23.24 | mofino | cantoma, it'll probably go into /usr/local, you can set a different dir with 'make DESTDIR=/opt/gcc install' for example (may need to recompile) |
| 22:24.14 | cantoma | mofino, otherwise you think it might override the binary of the existing one? |
| 22:24.29 | mofino | no? |
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| 22:27.00 | cantoma | mofino, do you think that I might be able to select them the existing gcc by doing update-alternatives --query if I install from source? |
| 22:27.17 | cantoma | select the existing* |
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| 22:28.21 | maxd | Can I publish the gpg key/id on the repository itself? |
| 22:28.28 | maxd | So others can easily add it to their debian system? |
| 22:28.32 | maxd | Is this usual practice? |
| 22:28.37 | maxd | Where is this key expected? |
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| 22:30.17 | CheckDavid | I booted a Debian live CD but it doesn't let me connect to the internet because I no WiFi option. I was told the solution is to.install some package, but it downloads from the internet. How do I solve this? |
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| 22:32.16 | reindernix | CheckDavid, you need to put the packages on a USB drive I believe |
| 22:33.03 | CheckDavid | reindernix: I see. I hope that works. |
| 22:33.59 | mofino | CheckDavid, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 22:35.31 | Bsims | Are there any debian/ubuntu images that will work with windows safe boot or do I /have/ to disable safeboot? |
| 22:35.44 | CheckDavid | mofino: I assume those are not live images. |
| 22:35.57 | mtn | Bsims: debian will not work with safe boot |
| 22:36.09 | mofino | CheckDavid, well whatever, good luck |
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| 22:36.35 | CheckDavid | Hmm |
| 22:36.48 | CheckDavid | Thanks I guess mofino |
| 22:36.52 | mofino | for what? |
| 22:37.11 | mofino | thank google |
| 22:37.21 | CheckDavid | For the luck :D |
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| 22:37.41 | mofino | yeah, seems like you'll need it |
| 22:37.58 | mofino | hint: the directories say 'live' |
| 22:38.03 | Bsims | yeah thats what I thought |
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| 22:39.12 | mtn | Bsims: don't know about ubuntu, you would need to ask their channel |
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| 22:40.04 | CheckDavid | Oh thanks mofino .I just read the first paragraph and it said it was for installation |
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| 22:50.31 | smurf5 | So, I found AtiHowTo page on wiki and would like to check if the firmware is loaded for my Radeon 9200 SE |
| 22:51.17 | smurf5 | I used the dmesg | grep ... and I only see two lines, [drm] loading microcode and then platform requesting |
| 22:51.37 | smurf5 | I don't see any lines like "platform radeno_cp.0: firmware: agent loaded..." |
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| 22:53.01 | smurf5 | I assume fglrx is not compatible with a gpu as old as mine/ |
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| 23:00.48 | smurf5 | How to test if the microcode is used by radeon driver? |
| 23:02.33 | smurf5 | I have got vertical stripes glitch, supposedly the card renders white background incorrectly at times, adding cyan stripes in it. Rarely, it adds red stripes to black background. This results in various problems. |
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| 23:04.03 | smurf5 | One strange example is screenshot - it seems affected more often than the screen. With a screen rendered properly, the screenshot will almost always feature the stripes everywhere, including images and fonts. |
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| 23:04.44 | smurf5 | The color of pixels in stripe seems to be the function of intended pixel color though, not just cyan rendered over whatever was expected. |
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| 23:05.09 | smurf5 | Actually, perhaps the red is inversed in the stripes. |
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| 23:07.42 | Bartleby | Hey, iceweasel keeps alerting me that my version of flash is outdated. It is, but is there a reason it's saying so now? |
| 23:07.44 | smurf5 | But that does not mean I get simply striped with inversed red on the screen, since fe. at the moment debian wiki is rendered flawlessly. The stripes appear in only one of firefox's toolbars. The toolbar seems to be drawn with partial transparency over cyan stripes. The stropes also appear dotted in "find in page" form and on the up down buttons next to it. |
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| 23:08.46 | smurf5 | Would I use the wheel on the mouse to scroll, then the whole website would be rendered with the stripes temporarily or permamently (which apppears to be random but depending on the input from user somewhat) |
| 23:09.10 | smurf5 | the stripes do not affect tty at all |
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| 23:18.36 | marioxcc | Hi. Where can I find a list of IDEs ranked by popularity on the Debian popcon or how can I generate one?. |
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| 23:20.24 | ctmjr | Bartleby, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install should fix it |
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| 23:23.23 | Mawrick | Have been trying to get Nvidia drivers to work (have been sucessfull) - but I think I was at one time able to get it to work with the 3.16.2 ("kernel"?), but trying again I had to do a install of 3.16.0-4 to and do a dpkg-reconfigure of the nvidia driver, anyone have any idea where I need to fetch things from to get it to work with the 3.16.2 (I presume I must have fetched from another repo ?) |
| 23:23.30 | marioxcc | Hi. Where can I find a list of IDEs ranked by popularity on the Debian popcon or how can I generate one?. |
| 23:23.43 | Mawrick | or isn't nvidia drivers working with the 3.16.2 ? |
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| 23:26.38 | hramrach_ | hello |
| 23:27.32 | Auzner | I'm having trouble figuring out a 4 disk drive mount for mhddfs. after correcting fstab issues, the mount point still can't seem to be accessed or looked at. anyone familiar with this? |
| 23:27.47 | hramrach_ | I have an USB network adapter. I am running Jessie with 3.18 kernel. every time I remove and reinsert the adapter udev increases the number of the ethernet interface |
| 23:29.20 | hramrach_ | why is the retarded udev breaking my networking? |
| 23:30.47 | hramrach_ | it does not seem to happen with 3.16.3 kernel /o\ |
| 23:32.44 | hramrach_ | http://sprunge.us/QYjG |
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| 23:33.35 | jelly-home | hramrach_: does the MAC address change |
| 23:33.40 | hramrach_ | no |
| 23:33.44 | hramrach_ | see the log |
| 23:33.56 | jelly-home | browser misbehaving, sorry |
| 23:34.05 | hramrach_ | ok |
| 23:34.18 | hramrach_ | it does not change |
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| 23:34.40 | HD|Laptop | heya |
| 23:34.48 | HD|Laptop | anyone of the vlc debian maintainers here? |
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| 23:35.05 | jelly-home | hramrach_: is there an entry for 00:13:3b:85:0e:b7 in your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
| 23:35.13 | g00se | Was systemd present on the version that was 'correct'? |
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| 23:35.15 | hramrach_ | yes |
| 23:35.16 | HD|Laptop | there's the repo at git.debian.org/git/pkg-multimedia/vlc.git - building a binary package is easy with dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b |
| 23:35.32 | hramrach_ | every time I insert the adapter new one is created with new number |
| 23:35.40 | mofino | hramrach_, ugly problem |
| 23:35.51 | jelly-home | hramrach_: ask in #debian-next, over on irc.iftc.net -- right channel for jessie |
| 23:35.56 | jelly-home | damn. |
| 23:36.00 | jelly-home | irc.oftc.net |
| 23:36.00 | HD|Laptop | but how do I create the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .debian.tar.xz (the source package)? |
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| 23:36.37 | Bsims | the scripts should do that for you iirc |
| 23:37.33 | hramrach_ | normally you obtain orig.tar.gz from upstream or previous package version but some packages have rule for creating one in debian/rules |
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| 23:38.22 | hramrach_ | once you have orig tarball just omit -b |
| 23:39.27 | HD|Laptop | hramrach_, that git repo contains both the original vlc source and the debian directory unseparated |
| 23:39.39 | HD|Laptop | See http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/vlc.git/tree/ |
| 23:40.41 | hramrach_ | yes, that's what it should |
| 23:41.29 | hramrach_ | apt-get source vlc should give you an orig tarball |
| 23:41.36 | Chiyo | hi there, does anyone know what would cause SSH/HTTP/etc to suddenly stop working on a debian server only for them to come back a couple of minutes later? |
| 23:42.09 | hramrach_ | many things |
| 23:42.20 | mofino | most of them not being the server |
| 23:42.34 | hramrach_ | depends on exposure |
| 23:42.35 | HD|Laptop | hramrach_, I know about apt-get source, I am not interested in this as it is outdated, I need the bleeding edge |
| 23:42.53 | Chiyo | ah I see, is there a way to find out what exactly is causing it? |
| 23:43.08 | mofino | Chiyo, have you looked at logs? |
| 23:43.15 | hramrach_ | monitor server at the time it's happening |
| 23:43.22 | mofino | Chiyo, what's the error message? |
| 23:43.59 | hramrach_ | Chiyo: as a very simple cause - somebody could step on the Ethernet cable :p |
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| 23:44.44 | Chiyo | mofino yep (and has a few other people), theres nothing in them what indicates a problem, and the only message I get from PuTTY is "Network error: Software caused connection abort" |
| 23:45.00 | mofino | Chiyo, check the logs of the server |
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| 23:45.37 | Chiyo | hramrach_, the odd thing is, if there is a "constant" connection (like weechat running in tmux) the issue goes away |
| 23:45.50 | Chiyo | mofino, which ones? |
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| 23:46.03 | mofino | auth.lgo |
| 23:46.19 | mofino | if you don't see anything, it's your network |
| 23:46.33 | mofino | probably your router (assuming a home type connection) |
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| 23:47.46 | Chiyo | I don't think it's my router, seeing as when it happens other people can't connect either |
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| 23:47.56 | hramrach_ | if weechat keeps running and connected but you lose connection to the tmux session then probably somebody stepped on the cable to your workstation rather than the one to your server |
| 23:48.25 | mofino | safe to say it's not an application problem unless you see evidence in the logs |
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| 23:49.12 | Chiyo | hramrach_, I mean, if weechat isn't running, the issue stops. If weechat is stopped, it comes back |
| 23:49.16 | Chiyo | mofino, ah I see |
| 23:49.23 | Quatroking | how can i make a symlink in debian? |
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| 23:50.02 | mofino | Quatroking, man ln |
| 23:50.14 | Quatroking | thanks |
| 23:50.23 | hramrach_ | Chiyo: your description is very confusing |
| 23:50.35 | Quatroking | do these links reset on boot or not? |
| 23:51.06 | Chiyo | hramrach_, I know, but it's the only way to describe it |
| 23:51.46 | hramrach_ | but you basically say that it happens or not when wheechat is not running |
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| 23:52.49 | hramrach_ | which is obviously bogus and does not say what is running where, what problem you observe where and what is your network like and where is the server |
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| 23:54.34 | Chiyo | lets put it this way, as we've been speaking, it's closed my ssh connection to it down 3 times, however, if I were to run a program like weechat, it would stop closing the connection |
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| 23:55.06 | hramrach_ | like is the server on your table next to your workstation connected to the same switch or in another city? |
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| 23:55.22 | mofino | Chiyo, it's not debian |
| 23:55.25 | Chiyo | it's in another city/country, france to be specific |
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| 23:55.32 | jhutchins | ,v tsclient |
| 23:55.33 | hramrach_ | if you were to run weechat on the server? |
| 23:55.33 | judd | Package: tsclient on i386 -- squeeze: 0.150-4 |
| 23:56.00 | Chiyo | hramrach_, the issue magicly goes away |
| 23:56.13 | mofino | network problem... |
| 23:56.31 | hramrach_ | and it constantly sends the flood of Debian channel messages over ssh back to you |
| 23:56.46 | maxd | ssh? irc bouncer? |
| 23:57.17 | mofino | it could even be a NAT problem |
| 23:57.20 | Chiyo | hramrach_, right, thats what I mean about it being "constant" (and with the ping/pong event too) |
| 23:57.26 | Chiyo | maxd, ssh |
| 23:57.37 | hramrach_ | probably means that you have forgetful router somewhere that forgets about the connection when no data is passing or wrong ssh connection settings |
| 23:57.53 | mofino | hramrach_, wrong connection settings? ... what |
| 23:57.56 | maxd | Chiyo: you view irc messages over ssh? why? |
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| 23:58.05 | nully | As a SysAdmin. I just want to comment on the large ammount of weechat processes I've had to kill over the years... Due to being runaway.. using all the CPU time, or that time weechat made a fork for every channell..... (and a users liked their channels) |
| 23:58.26 | Chiyo | maxd, because my 'normal' OS is windows |
| 23:58.32 | maxd | aha |
| 23:58.35 | maxd | chatzilla is nice |
| 23:59.21 | mofino | might be an aggressive firewall closing inactive connections |
| 23:59.29 | mofino | agressive NAT deployment |
| 23:59.40 | mofino | anyway, it's NOT a debian problem |
| 23:59.41 | hramrach_ | mofino: never really had this problem myself but iirc there is some keepalive something option somewhere in ssh too |
| 23:59.50 | mofino | hramrach_, yeah that might help |
| 23:59.53 | Chiyo | mofino, yes =/ it's just to work out where thatt problem is (if it's in the data centre the server is in, that network, the hosting providers network, and so on) |