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| 00:00.38 | eurobit | and ? |
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| 00:02.12 | andril | it requires a libc6 2.15 |
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| 00:02.57 | eurobit | do you need to upgrade your full system then? |
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| 00:04.39 | andril | possibly this is a fresh install - need help with tweaking it |
| 00:05.54 | eurobit | do the apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade if needed and were are you getting this opera |
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| 00:07.45 | andril | doing it now :) |
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| 00:09.16 | andril | i get it when i try to install Opera |
| 00:09.28 | andril | gdebi |
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| 00:22.06 | Guest56639 | Hello. I'm writing a Sys-V style init script. What should I do with error messages as a good practice? Send them to syslog?. |
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| 00:24.12 | eurobit | Guest37964: strive for no error messages |
| 00:24.33 | eurobit | just use the conditionals |
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| 00:36.53 | debie | Hi! I am trying to install firmware-realtek because it is needed by "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64" - but apt won't focus on firmware-realtek.. it gets lost in trying (and failing) to run update-initramfs for the kernels. How do I tell apt-get not to care about those kernels? |
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| 00:39.47 | debie | 2 not fully installed or removed. |
| 00:39.59 | debie | apt-get autoclean does not help this :( |
| 00:42.38 | debie | apt is stuck :( |
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| 00:45.13 | debie | how do I help fix apt? |
| 00:45.24 | wasmith | debie: error msgs? |
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| 00:45.35 | wasmith | pastebin it |
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| 00:53.26 | pruto | is there a way to just restart the required services rather than to do a full system reboot? |
| 00:53.57 | osram | service <x> restart |
| 00:54.26 | pruto | thanks |
| 00:54.41 | wasmith | you'll likely have to be root to do tha |
| 00:54.47 | wasmith | or sudo service blah etc |
| 00:55.00 | pruto | so why is rebooting a comptuer essential after an update? |
| 00:55.05 | debie | wasmith: https://dpaste.de/QKH7 |
| 00:55.07 | wasmith | its not always |
| 00:55.11 | osram | It isn't. |
| 00:55.15 | Lubert | pruto: it's windows |
| 00:55.29 | wasmith | with kernel updates it is, most of the time |
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| 00:55.43 | wasmith | but just normal software there is no need |
| 00:55.45 | osram | wasmith: that's the exception ;) |
| 00:55.50 | pruto | Lubert: no it's linux too because it says that the package will be upgraded after the system reboots |
| 00:56.02 | pruto | updated* |
| 00:56.12 | pruto | i don't know what the difference between update and upgrade is |
| 00:56.18 | Lubert | there's an option to upgrade without rebooting |
| 00:56.27 | pruto | oh that's cool |
| 00:56.48 | debie | what am I missing? https://dpaste.de/QKH7 |
| 00:56.49 | wasmith | debie: how competent are you with linux admin? |
| 00:57.10 | wasmith | as you're going to have to uninstall the old image, and then install the new one (and don't reboot until you have) |
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| 00:57.36 | debie | wasmith: I'm not sure what to do to get out of this one, that is why I'm here |
| 00:57.40 | debie | but yea, I can sling it |
| 00:57.52 | wasmith | thats how I usually fix the circualr issues like that |
| 00:57.54 | debie | I'm stuck because the packages won't install |
| 00:58.08 | debie | or remove |
| 00:58.13 | wasmith | what kernel version are you on? |
| 00:58.32 | debie | 3.2.X |
| 00:58.46 | debie | I was trying to add 3.16 |
| 00:58.50 | debie | for docker |
| 00:59.09 | debie | but I needed the realtek firmware |
| 00:59.17 | debie | and I didn't know/do that first |
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| 01:00.24 | osram | debie: have you tried running `apt-get install -f'? |
| 01:00.36 | osram | Not sure it will help, but worth a shot. |
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| 01:01.37 | debie | osram: I will try |
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| 01:02.12 | debie | trying to remove linux-headers-amd64: https://dpaste.de/0nP3 |
| 01:02.31 | eurobit | why can't you reboot? |
| 01:03.25 | debie | eurobit: kernel is all fscked |
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| 01:03.30 | debie | osram: no good |
| 01:03.52 | wasmith | yeah, removing all the headers is what I usually do...it usually works |
| 01:04.05 | debie | bah, I'm really stuck, nothing seems to uninstall or install because of the kernel image wanting firmware I can |
| 01:04.07 | wasmith | just make sure you dont lose power during the process ;) |
| 01:04.09 | debie | 't install |
| 01:04.26 | debie | wasmith: that's the sucky part, I'm on generator at the moment! |
| 01:04.35 | eurobit | what firmware ? realtek is wireless or ethernet |
| 01:04.39 | wasmith | ooooh bugger |
| 01:04.41 | debie | I have a little bit of time, not sure how much |
| 01:04.46 | wasmith | debie: got plenty of fuel? |
| 01:04.51 | debie | eurobit: yes, realtek ethernet |
| 01:04.58 | debie | wasmith: enough for now, yes |
| 01:05.06 | wasmith | debie: well, your system is safe for now |
| 01:05.08 | eurobit | why is ethernet important? |
| 01:05.10 | debie | but yea, let's fix this :) |
| 01:05.24 | debie | eurobit: it isn't.. network seems to work fine. |
| 01:05.31 | debie | I'm on it now |
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| 01:05.33 | eurobit | ethernet needing firmware? don't believe it |
| 01:05.42 | debie | it might be wifi |
| 01:05.49 | debie | but I have removed the wifi card |
| 01:05.54 | wasmith | debie: do a dpkg -l linux-headers-* |
| 01:06.02 | eurobit | so just install the new kernel and reboot |
| 01:06.09 | wasmith | purge the relevent ones |
| 01:06.17 | wasmith | then do apt-get install -f |
| 01:06.40 | debie | wasmith: https://dpaste.de/rf3Q |
| 01:06.44 | pppd | So there are no other means than to set up lvm after debian setup. |
| 01:06.49 | pppd | I can use fdisk. |
| 01:06.56 | pppd | So how can I set up lvm on the whole physical disk? |
| 01:06.57 | wasmith | eurobit: thats the issue...it wont let the latest headers install |
| 01:07.05 | debie | eurobit: apt isn't installing pkg successfully |
| 01:07.08 | debie | it keeps erroring out |
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| 01:07.36 | osram | pppd: the debian installer will do that for you. |
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| 01:07.46 | eurobit | what is the error |
| 01:07.55 | debie | eurobit: see the posts |
| 01:07.57 | debie | ^^ |
| 01:08.01 | pppd | osram: I can't use the debian installer. |
| 01:08.10 | debie | wasmith: apt-get install -f fails |
| 01:08.11 | pppd | I have to use a rescue system thing to partition my server to my needs. |
| 01:08.15 | wasmith | debie: purge the 3.16 ones and the 3.2 ones |
| 01:08.17 | pppd | no apt available |
| 01:08.27 | wasmith | doing that should be safe |
| 01:08.27 | debie | wasmith: I tried, I can retry |
| 01:08.40 | wasmith | *then* do the -f |
| 01:08.44 | eurobit | you post what i need if you want my help |
| 01:08.49 | debie | wasmith: how do you specify which to remove? |
| 01:09.10 | debie | eurobit: here is one: https://dpaste.de/QKH7 |
| 01:09.13 | wasmith | give it the full name, try linux-headers-3.16.0 etc |
| 01:09.19 | debie | ok |
| 01:09.43 | osram | pppd: the debian installer, when selecting Manual Partitioning, let's you do whatever you like - though I may not completely understand your situation |
| 01:09.45 | pruto | apt-get remove / |
| 01:10.29 | eurobit | you are going to have a non bootable system if you continue the way you are |
| 01:11.03 | wasmith | eurobit: its fine to remove headers so long as you reinstall before you reboot |
| 01:11.16 | debie | wasmith /. eurobit https://dpaste.de/RrDs |
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| 01:11.44 | pppd | osram: hm, right |
| 01:11.52 | wasmith | hmmmm |
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| 01:12.40 | debie | wasmith: yea, I'm scratching my head |
| 01:12.49 | debie | wtf |
| 01:13.21 | wasmith | i've never seen anything quite like that befor |
| 01:13.53 | debie | wasmith: can I manually clear the 2 packages not installed/removed |
| 01:14.02 | debie | 2 not fully installed or removed. |
| 01:14.14 | debie | apt says there are these two ^^ |
| 01:14.14 | apt | ...but says there is already something else... |
| 01:14.21 | wasmith | just try an apt-get install -f now? |
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| 01:14.27 | wasmith | it might just work |
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| 01:14.44 | debie | nope |
| 01:14.55 | debie | wasmith: :( |
| 01:14.59 | wasmith | apt-get autoremove? |
| 01:15.17 | wasmith | that might help clean up the rest of the crap |
| 01:15.33 | debie | same, all apt commands try to do this update-initramfs shit |
| 01:15.44 | debie | I tried autoclean too |
| 01:15.55 | wasmith | I wonder if your grub config is screwed |
| 01:15.59 | wasmith | I hope its not |
| 01:16.42 | wasmith | if you look in /boot is there an initramfs img with the same kernel version that shows in uname -a |
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| 01:17.17 | debie | wasmith: yea, I still have the kernel and init image in /boot that matches uname |
| 01:17.30 | debie | but, I am not seeing grub menu config |
| 01:17.33 | debie | where is that in /boot ? |
| 01:17.41 | wasmith | ok, so your system *should* boot |
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| 01:18.16 | debie | wasmith: hopefully |
| 01:18.18 | wasmith | have you got the config-kernelversion |
| 01:18.20 | wasmith | file |
| 01:18.23 | debie | but apt is still fsked |
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| 01:18.48 | debie | wasmith: yes, system.map, image, init, config |
| 01:18.52 | debie | are all there for 3.2.x |
| 01:18.55 | wasmith | gdgd |
| 01:19.03 | wasmith | scratches head |
| 01:19.04 | debie | yea |
| 01:19.13 | debie | yea, I'm like. wtf. |
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| 01:19.39 | wasmith | I've had instances like this before at work *someone* has totally foobared a vm |
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| 01:19.43 | wasmith | or let /boot fill up |
| 01:19.51 | debie | can |
| 01:19.56 | debie | bah |
| 01:19.59 | wasmith | and I've had to spend hours fixing the damn thing |
| 01:20.14 | debie | can't I clear apt's list of what is pending install? |
| 01:20.15 | wasmith | they're like oh apt doesn't work on blah |
| 01:20.31 | debie | yea, I would rather reinstall |
| 01:20.40 | debie | than spend hours and hours |
| 01:20.52 | wasmith | dpkg --clear-selections |
| 01:20.53 | dpkg | wasmith: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:20.55 | wasmith | might do it |
| 01:20.57 | wasmith | aha |
| 01:21.02 | wasmith | forgot about the bot |
| 01:21.14 | debie | nothing done |
| 01:21.25 | wasmith | apt-get -u dselect-upgrade? |
| 01:22.10 | wasmith | have you tried purging those packages that didnt full remove earlier? |
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| 01:22.45 | debie | wasmith: ummm.. why do that? |
| 01:23.01 | wasmith | why purge? |
| 01:23.01 | debie | I have tried purging, I will try again |
| 01:23.08 | debie | no, why -u dselect |
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| 01:23.18 | wasmith | it *might* just clear those pending |
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| 01:23.27 | Shadow_7 | by default, config files are left behind. purge removes them |
| 01:23.30 | debie | it wants to uninstall my whole system.. |
| 01:23.35 | nW44b | hi |
| 01:23.38 | wasmith | oh....it shouldnt do that |
| 01:23.42 | wasmith | dont run it then |
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| 01:24.03 | debie | oh no, I canceled :P |
| 01:24.39 | wasmith | I'm very quickly running out of ideas now |
| 01:25.06 | wasmith | debie: is this just your desktop? |
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| 01:25.28 | debie | wasmith: yes |
| 01:25.29 | Shadow_7 | using dpkg --purge --force-all <package> will just grab the one package, not every perceived dependency |
| 01:25.38 | debie | wasmith: we need to solve this problem: https://dpaste.de/yHzL |
| 01:26.02 | Shadow_7 | it will list those when you do it, but wont do much about them |
| 01:26.05 | debie | this ^^ blocks the apt-get purge |
| 01:26.26 | Shadow_7 | you will need to apt-get -f install to regrab the package without purging all |
| 01:26.53 | debie | Shadow_7: I can run that, but it's blocked by the errors I pasted in ^^ |
| 01:27.05 | wasmith | grub reaaaaaaallly isnt happy is it |
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| 01:27.19 | debie | yea, super unhappy |
| 01:27.22 | debie | but fixable |
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| 01:28.00 | pppd | hi |
| 01:28.01 | pppd | So can fdisk be used for GPT tables? |
| 01:28.03 | pppd | anyone? |
| 01:28.38 | Shadow_7 | is the thing it complains about something you need? might just be cruft in /boot/ |
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| 01:29.10 | Shadow_7 | pppd: cfdisk can be used for it. although I think parted / gpart is the preferred route. But haven't gone that trek myself |
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| 01:29.22 | debie | I WIN! |
| 01:29.31 | osram | pppd: no, use gdisk |
| 01:29.39 | Shadow_7 | well cfdisk prompts for it if you dd if=/dev/zero the medium before running it |
| 01:29.40 | woshty | pppd: no, use parted |
| 01:29.45 | woshty | lol |
| 01:29.47 | pppd | gdisk is not available :( |
| 01:29.51 | pppd | partx? |
| 01:30.02 | debie | wasmith: ok, so /etc/default/grub had some funky line I commented out |
| 01:30.10 | debie | and grub was happy again |
| 01:30.34 | wasmith | huzzah |
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| 01:30.41 | debie | :D |
| 01:30.50 | wasmith | question though |
| 01:30.58 | debie | OK! Now.. how should I proceed if I want to install docker on wheezy? |
| 01:30.59 | wasmith | why were you sceweing with the grub config :p |
| 01:31.14 | debie | wasmith: I was not at all, who knows how that happened |
| 01:31.32 | wasmith | debie: aha |
| 01:31.34 | wasmith | tried this? |
| 01:31.34 | debie | more likely is that I pulled this hd from another host |
| 01:31.35 | wasmith | https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ |
| 01:31.59 | wasmith | backports seems like the best way |
| 01:32.23 | debie | yes, that is where I got into problems |
| 01:32.34 | debie | but now I have the firmware-realtek package |
| 01:32.38 | debie | so maybe it will work fine |
| 01:32.44 | wasmith | tis possible |
| 01:32.48 | debie | and grub is also happier |
| 01:32.53 | debie | I'll see.. |
| 01:33.01 | wasmith | shame its not a VM |
| 01:33.03 | debie | thanks for the assistance thus far! |
| 01:33.10 | wasmith | you could snapshot if so |
| 01:33.13 | wasmith | no worries |
| 01:33.28 | debie | oh, question.. |
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| 01:33.41 | debie | what is the best way to determine the list of mirrors for backports? |
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| 01:34.33 | wasmith | for general soureces.list I usually just use this |
| 01:34.34 | wasmith | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch |
| 01:35.12 | wasmith | I saw a similar tool for backports a while back |
| 01:35.16 | wasmith | let me try and find it |
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| 01:35.48 | wasmith | http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 01:35.50 | wasmith | that'll do it |
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| 01:36.07 | ProfOak_ | Hey guys, I recently have a message from firefox saying that my flash player is out of date. I have debian stable x86. The repos say that flash is up to date, so I can't update it there. Would you recommend just managing flash manually? |
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| 01:36.46 | wasmith | ProfOak_: it could be that the repo version is behind, stable is never super up to date |
| 01:36.47 | debie | wasmith: thanks! |
| 01:36.53 | wasmith | for obvious reasons |
| 01:37.28 | ProfOak_ | wasmith: Yeah I know. I have backports, but that's not always the most up to date either. I should really just switch to testing |
| 01:37.29 | wasmith | debie: no worries :) |
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| 01:37.52 | wasmith | jessie is usually okish |
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| 01:38.04 | wasmith | but I'd only use it for something non-criticial |
| 01:38.17 | wasmith | is this just your desktop? |
| 01:38.19 | ProfOak_ | Just a personal laptop |
| 01:38.30 | ctmjr | ProfOak_, how did you install flash |
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| 01:38.35 | wasmith | I have jessie on my toughbook, and its fab |
| 01:38.37 | beepie | !flash |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 01:38.40 | beepie | blerg flash! |
| 01:38.44 | wasmith | wheezy everywhere else though |
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| 01:38.49 | ProfOak_ | ctmjr through apt |
| 01:38.55 | beepie | !pepper flash |
| 01:38.55 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree <contrib> Debian package (in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>) can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 01:38.58 | debie | why do some sources.list show the entries as http://ftp.debian.foo... Is there a way to use HTTPS or similar for higher security? |
| 01:39.09 | ProfOak_ | beepie I don't use chrome |
| 01:39.13 | beepie | adobe flash is at 11.2 frozen, pepperapi flash is the latest |
| 01:39.29 | beepie | ProfOak_, the pepperapi flash non-free can be used with chromium |
| 01:39.30 | wasmith | ProfOak_: what happens if you do apt-get update && apt-get install flash-player (or whatever its called nowadays) |
| 01:39.35 | ctmjr | ProfOak_, "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" should fix it |
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| 01:40.05 | ProfOak_ | I updated/upgraded my repos before I tried |
| 01:40.10 | beepie | pepperflashplugin-nonfree (works with chromium) |
| 01:40.31 | wasmith | debie: some are just run on http I guess, is there much need to use https for installing stuff from repos? :p |
| 01:40.46 | beepie | ProfOak_, it's the only "latest" flash on Linux, there's no other |
| 01:40.51 | wasmith | not like its super sensitive unless you're doing apt-get install missile-launch-codes |
| 01:40.55 | sonOfRa | debie: does it really matter? The packages themselves are PGP-checked after download |
| 01:41.13 | sonOfRa | if the PGP signature doesn't match, the install is aborted |
| 01:41.35 | sonOfRa | so, unless someone manages to falsify a PGP signature, even HTTP downloads are safe |
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| 01:41.51 | wasmith | also this ^^^ |
| 01:41.58 | wasmith | and pgp is pretty good |
| 01:42.10 | wasmith | hides |
| 01:42.11 | eurobit | gnupg not pgp |
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| 01:42.22 | debie | yea, I am aware of the use of pkg signing |
| 01:42.26 | ProfOak_ | So just wait it out is what I'm hearing? |
| 01:42.29 | debie | https isn't really better than that |
| 01:42.50 | debie | I'm just surprised I'm supposed to believe my packages are safe crossing the interwebs on http |
| 01:42.51 | wasmith | ProfOak_: or jump to jessie |
| 01:43.01 | ctmjr | ProfOak_, did you try what i said |
| 01:43.15 | ProfOak_ | ctmjr: I don't have any command like that |
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| 01:44.22 | ctmjr | you installed the flashplugin-nonfree correct |
| 01:44.26 | ProfOak_ | yes |
| 01:44.57 | ProfOak_ | The only util I have for flash is flash-player-properties |
| 01:45.07 | ctmjr | then as root do update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 01:45.13 | wasmith | ProfOak_: are you root? |
| 01:45.34 | ProfOak_ | welp |
| 01:45.46 | ProfOak_ | looks like it's doing something |
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| 01:47.19 | ProfOak_ | Seems like it works, thanks ctmjr |
| 01:47.58 | ProfOak_ | Are there some doc you know that from? |
| 01:48.05 | ProfOak_ | (so I can read) |
| 01:48.32 | wasmith | ProfOak_: it's probably hardwired into his fingers by now |
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| 01:49.05 | ProfOak_ | it's on the debian wiki apparently, so I must have overlooked it |
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| 01:49.16 | wasmith | so many things people ask me to do...I can't tell them, but give me the keyboard and I'm away |
| 01:49.54 | ctmjr | ProfOak_, found it https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/ |
| 01:50.36 | eurobit | why would you pollute secure debian with an abomination like flash - don't you google it for it's continuous stream of vulnerabilites? |
| 01:50.39 | Alex-Musicman | ok, this last upgrade is not working good the lastest kernel and xorg |
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| 01:51.15 | Alex-Musicman | I tried downgrade with my caches xorg core and linux kernel, the graphic enables |
| 01:51.27 | Alex-Musicman | but mouse and keyboard don't work |
| 01:51.44 | Alex-Musicman | perhaps I need more apps to downgrade |
| 01:52.39 | ProfOak_ | eurobit: I like to live dangerously |
| 01:52.59 | wasmith | right, well given its 2am here...and I have 5 debian vms to build tomorrow, and an openstack lab to build |
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| 01:53.13 | wasmith | I guess I should probably try and get some of that fancy thing they call sleep |
| 01:53.37 | ProfOak_ | see ya |
| 01:55.44 | Shadow_7 | on wheezy you have to use flash for x264 videos on youtube |
| 01:56.08 | Shadow_7 | and hulu requires it too *sigh* |
| 01:56.32 | ProfOak_ | to be fair I haven't tried to use gnash in like 5 years |
| 01:57.01 | Shadow_7 | I use it for the sites that require it. But I dedicate a laptop to that and ONLY that. |
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| 01:57.14 | ProfOak_ | hardcore |
| 01:57.19 | beepie | geek |
| 01:57.21 | Shadow_7 | and I hexedit flash to think it's a windows version... 16.0.111.222 |
| 01:57.28 | ProfOak_ | wish I could have a dedicated flash player machine |
| 01:57.55 | Shadow_7 | the laptop was dumpster dived. And boots and runs on a usb card reader + SDHC card |
| 01:58.05 | Alex-Musicman | html5 need own flash in the most sites.. |
| 01:58.23 | Alex-Musicman | adobe drop support for linux.. only have security updates |
| 01:58.39 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, and years ago |
| 01:58.56 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, was a vulnerability like last week for npapi flash.. |
| 01:59.02 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, but not pepperapi flash |
| 01:59.22 | Alex-Musicman | I tried adapt the Chrome flashplayer lib in the mozilla, but it don't work.. lol |
| 01:59.36 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, that's because you're a noob. |
| 01:59.47 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, I mentioned there are 2 different apis |
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| 02:00.21 | beepie | Alex-Musicman, but you're not as ignorant as say ProfOak_ |
| 02:00.23 | beepie | :) |
| 02:00.30 | beepie | !debian |
| 02:00.30 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:00.34 | beepie | yeah.. |
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| 02:00.46 | ProfOak_ | mean |
| 02:00.47 | beepie | proprietary spyware should be placed on #flood |
| 02:01.17 | beepie | ProfOak_, rtfm |
| 02:01.24 | beepie | I gave solutions to your problem. |
| 02:01.27 | beepie | so go fix it. |
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| 02:02.00 | ctmjr | beepie, is there a reason you are insulting people, this is a support channel |
| 02:02.24 | ProfOak_ | ctmjr: I have been going on irc enough to understand that this is normal |
| 02:02.31 | beepie | for flash? that's a longcall overdue. No support for obsolete "Adobe" spyware |
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| 02:03.25 | ProfOak_ | ctmjr: I just imagine half the people look like bridge trolls who feel when no gf |
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| 02:03.30 | beepie | thing is there's double ignorance even when there's multiple references indicated above, just rant after rant. No progress. |
| 02:03.31 | ProfOak_ | so it doesn't bother me :-) |
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| 02:03.46 | ProfOak_ | beepie: The problem was solved already |
| 02:03.57 | beepie | ignores further rants |
| 02:04.14 | ROG3R | I run debian. do i also need an update manager ? (for example lke mint-linus uses mintUpdate) |
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| 02:06.26 | ProfOak_ | ROG3R: Are you using Gnome? I believe it has an update manager |
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| 02:06.45 | ROG3R | ProfOak_: lxde |
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| 02:07.43 | ProfOak_ | I don't have an answer for that as I have never used lxde before. But there's always a way to update from the command line |
| 02:07.50 | entelechy | you looking to fix the flash bug? |
| 02:08.34 | ROG3R | ProfOak_: how poften should i update from the command line? |
| 02:08.57 | entelechy | sudo |
| 02:09.05 | entelechy | whoa almost posted something else there |
| 02:09.43 | ProfOak_ | ROG3R: I don't have an answer for that. Personally, I do it once a week. |
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| 02:10.17 | ROG3R | ProfOak_: ok thanks |
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| 02:10.21 | entelechy | sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 02:10.24 | entelechy | fixed it for me |
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| 02:10.50 | ProfOak_ | entelechy I had the same problem, and that worked for me too |
| 02:10.59 | ProfOak_ | What a strange coincidence :) |
| 02:12.39 | entelechy | ProfOak_: http://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2012/07/chrome-20-on-linux-and-flash-sandboxing.html |
| 02:12.47 | entelechy | apparently chromium does this better |
| 02:12.56 | entelechy | so you might want to look into using that for flash instead |
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| 02:15.28 | beepie | ROG3R, i think package software-properties-gtk provides the Software&updates gui for setting up repos |
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| 02:55.29 | qu1nn | I am a relative newb with debian, coming from opensuse, is there an application that is similar to Yast > Firewall? |
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| 02:57.28 | eurobit | entelechy: you became a debian expert pretty quickly ... cool |
| 02:58.22 | eurobit | qu1nn: you've asked that for a few days now ... what does yast > firewall even mean |
| 03:01.44 | qu1nn | I am still battling (on and off) one pc giving me difficulty in connecting to my work vpn. I am used to certain tools found in opensuse....yast (yet another setup tool) is a gui interface to a majority of items that would ever need to be configured in the operating system....firewall is just one of those applications |
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| 03:02.24 | eurobit | so wat is the question? |
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| 03:03.33 | Shadow_7 | yast is SuSE's all in one swiss army knife admin tool |
| 03:04.21 | Shadow_7 | like if apt-file, apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg, aptitude, ... were all wrapped into one ncurses interface |
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| 03:05.44 | qu1nn | i have sucessfully setup a debian wheezy notebook to connect to the work vpn using network manager. As far as I can tell the computer that I am having problems with is setup the same. When I click on the icon to launch the vpn (network manager widget), nothing happens |
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| 03:06.39 | eurobit | Shadow_7: so how in their right mind would give up yast then? ;););) |
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| 03:08.27 | eurobit | s/how/who/ <<<--- see how shook up i am to see someone do that ;) |
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| 03:08.56 | Shadow_7 | I used to run suse 6.1... but then 7.0 wouldn't install on my laptop. Debian woody would |
| 03:09.16 | jaggi | what's the lock screen password for the live cd? |
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| 03:10.42 | Shadow_7 | plus suse is heavily scripted. in that era, almost none of the tldp had any relevance to suse. |
| 03:11.50 | eurobit | sounds like mandrake/mandriva before the fall |
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| 03:14.45 | Miesco | Hi, I am getting this error: dpkg: warning: version '(standard' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit |
| 03:15.01 | Miesco | and it floods the screen |
| 03:15.09 | Miesco | I am updating with aptitude my packages, I am in Jessie |
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| 03:17.51 | jakesyl | hey I'm trying to configure mailman on my server and none of the web administration is working |
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| 03:19.08 | jakesyl | Here's my apache config file from sites enabled: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/6be1fc8afdce3f2d1216 |
| 03:20.12 | galphane_ | @jakesyl, which URL do you try and what is the error message ? |
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| 03:21.01 | jakesyl | 404 error, and cgi-bin/mailman/ |
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| 03:22.20 | galphane_ | Ok, I don't know specifically how mailman works but I think the problem is from apache and/or the URL |
| 03:22.26 | galphane_ | can you "ls /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/" ? |
| 03:22.56 | eurobit | instead of ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ why not just /mailman/ ? |
| 03:23.26 | galphane_ | it's commented in his configuration file |
| 03:23.35 | jakesyl | okay it has admin, admindb, confirm, create, edithtml, listinfo, options, private, rmlist, roster, and subscribe |
| 03:23.39 | galphane_ | (line 13) |
| 03:24.11 | eurobit | you sure - on my browser it is on a separate line |
| 03:24.16 | galphane_ | ok and if you try to go to /cgi-bin/mailman/admin for example ? |
| 03:24.38 | eurobit | i see |
| 03:24.38 | jakesyl | oh okay, hold on I'm uncommenting line 13, to I have to reload after this? |
| 03:25.22 | eurobit | then iceweasel domain.com/mailman/pgm what is 'pgm' c ? |
| 03:25.45 | galphane_ | it is not mandatory to uncomment this line but if you do it, you have to reload apache and the modify the /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py file |
| 03:26.02 | jakesyl | uncommented, reloaded, restarted and nothing. So what do i have to modify in the python file? |
| 03:26.18 | jakesyl | change it to lists.domain.com right? I think I already did that |
| 03:26.25 | galphane_ | "In this case you need to set the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py to http://%s/mailman/ for the cookie" |
| 03:26.39 | galphane_ | it's written in the config file you posted on pastbin ;) |
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| 03:27.15 | eurobit | is the python file executable ? |
| 03:27.31 | jakesyl | Changed it, and yeah I already chmodded it |
| 03:28.12 | jakesyl | I changed the url pattern and it didn't work, is there anyway to do like a tree of *everything* in apache |
| 03:28.19 | eurobit | does it does have the python shebang in it |
| 03:28.33 | eurobit | and run on the command line? |
| 03:28.40 | jakesyl | yup |
| 03:29.27 | eurobit | who owns the dirs ? |
| 03:30.02 | jakesyl | wait what is %s here, because i have default email host and url host to lists.phishtrain.com |
| 03:30.16 | jakesyl | so shouldn't lists.phishtrain.com do something |
| 03:31.34 | jakesyl | here's the python config file: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/4af8c31d1ffc3a4bc731 |
| 03:32.11 | eurobit | check your apache error log file |
| 03:32.30 | jakesyl | k one sec |
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| 03:33.36 | raSter^ | hello i have a question. which has better support in debian on graphic cards, is it nvidia or amd/ati ? |
| 03:34.03 | jakesyl | Error log: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/1b253a862a98aaab2029 |
| 03:35.32 | eurobit | take care of the no space left first - you probably have an incomplete installation of something |
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| 03:38.43 | raSter^ | currently im just using an onboard graphics... if i connect an old nvidia card on it, will it automatically detect it? or i should still install something on apt-get for it to work? I wonder . |
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| 03:39.02 | jakesyl | what no space left, It's defaintly the apache config file |
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| 03:39.03 | tomivs | Hi all, i installed Debian sid successfully but my Bluetooh is not working |
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| 03:39.04 | tomivs | 01:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
| 03:39.04 | eurobit | do you look good with the bluetooth? |
| 03:39.04 | tomivs | ^^This is the reply when I type "lspci | grep Wire" |
| 03:39.04 | Shadow_7 | tomivs: apt-get install firmware-atheros |
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| 03:39.16 | Shadow_7 | or check dmesg for hints |
| 03:39.25 | eurobit | raSter^: what kind of graphics you needing? |
| 03:39.43 | eurobit | nv driver? |
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| 03:41.21 | jakesyl | so based on the host config shouldn't it be right threre |
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| 03:41.57 | tomivs | Shadow_7: firmware-atheros has been installed so, I should reboot my computer? |
| 03:42.20 | Shadow_7 | tomivs: previously installed? or freshly installed? |
| 03:42.26 | raSter^ | yes eurobit |
| 03:42.41 | raSter^ | eurobit, i want to know what to get if i install my nvidia graphics card |
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| 03:42.53 | tomivs | Shadow_7: freshly installed when you said me |
| 03:42.57 | raSter^ | its just an old one so perhaps debian would recognize it easily |
| 03:43.30 | Shadow_7 | tomivs: reboot is the simple way... modprobe -r and modprobe of the module(s) would work too |
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| 04:40.56 | tpw_rules | no |
| 04:41.19 | tpw_rules | if fdisk can't read it, it's probably not msdos |
| 04:42.08 | xorgd | I get "Linux" instead of "GPT" |
| 04:42.26 | xorgd | probably luks |
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| 04:43.28 | jaggid | does EFI imply GPT, and GPT imply EFI? |
| 04:43.42 | jaggid | I have a /boot (with my grub and kernel and stuff), and / partition.. both ext4 |
| 04:44.01 | jaggid | boot has the boot flag.. but I don't have a bios_grub partition |
| 04:44.42 | jaggid | system won't boot and grub-install /dev/sdc complains: "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)." |
| 04:45.10 | jaggid | someone said in a forum that the small partition with a boot_grub flag is necessary |
| 04:45.16 | jaggid | I have zero clue what to do |
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| 04:48.51 | xorgd | it's really strange, I tried with "gdisk", I get "MBR: MBR only" |
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| 04:49.06 | xorgd | Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format. |
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| 04:49.43 | nell | I ran RKhunter and I think I'm fucked someone else please tell me http://sprunge.us/XiRj |
| 04:50.06 | xorgd | I know I created it with a gparted iso disk, and I didn't select "msdos", can parted or gdisk both wrong? |
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| 04:50.30 | xorgd | *I did select "msdos" |
| 04:51.50 | xorgd | nell: usually, there is some msg after the scan, it tells about the warning |
| 04:52.04 | nell | imreading the log |
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| 04:53.18 | xorgd | also, be sure to run "sudo rkhunter --update" before running the scan the first time |
| 04:55.15 | tpw_rules | how can i print the order of startup services? |
| 04:56.30 | DrakkenWarr | cat /etc/init.d mabye? |
| 04:56.34 | xorgd | is it important to get it in order? |
| 04:56.59 | DrakkenWarr | if you are setting up something like an apache server? Yes, the order is kinda important |
| 04:57.07 | DrakkenWarr | but for a desktop machine? Not really |
| 04:58.55 | tpw_rules | i want to start up networking and stuff after the embedded machine service |
| 04:58.56 | xorgd | tpw_rules: ls /etc/rc*.d found at "http://serverfault.com/questions/472030/how-to-list-services-daemons-started-at-boot-and-check-their-loading-order" |
| 04:59.13 | tpw_rules | what about for systemd? |
| 05:00.48 | tpw_rules | is there a simple guide on how systemd works and how to make services and such? |
| 05:01.13 | lanodan | for the Init Which Must Not Be Named I think it doesn’t have runlevels (since it break like all conventions) |
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| 05:02.54 | lanodan | maybe you can try man or info on systemd and service |
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| 05:04.12 | xorgd | btw, to modify services, I use sysv-rc-conf, it works really well |
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| 05:04.48 | tpw_rules | well that's not systemd now is it |
| 05:05.04 | xorgd | i'm running wheezy |
| 05:05.38 | lanodan | (running wheezy with some packages from testing & sid) |
| 05:07.45 | DrakkenWarr | are you running that on you main computer? lanadan |
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| 05:08.17 | jaggzed | what's the/a proper way to install kde after my initial install of debian with gnome? |
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| 05:08.59 | lanodan | Nope on my laptop |
| 05:09.29 | lanodan | 'sudo apt-get install kde-dektop' I think |
| 05:09.30 | DrakkenWarr | could not help there.. cannot stand kde.. openbox diehard here :D |
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| 05:09.43 | xorgd | jaggzed: is it ok to have it with gnome? also, do you want a minimalist kde install? |
| 05:10.07 | lanodan | minimalist kde :D |
| 05:10.19 | Stark- | Can I install KDE 5 on debian? how. |
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| 05:10.32 | DrakkenWarr | lulz is there any such thing as minimalist kde? |
| 05:10.38 | xorgd | jaggzed: ok, just "sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop", it will install kde minimalist and it will keep gnome |
| 05:11.00 | xorgd | it will also install kdm, and you will have the choice of gnome or kde at login screen |
| 05:11.56 | xorgd | it's still better than windows ;) |
| 05:12.03 | jaggzed | xorgd, so far.. gnome is pretty but .. kind of irritating me a bit |
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| 05:12.25 | b0xii | isn't minimalist kde an oxymoron? |
| 05:12.29 | jaggzed | the way its menus work is buggy or inconsistent.. can't find a control area to control the key repeat rate |
| 05:12.39 | lanodan | xfce is the only floating wm I can bear… |
| 05:12.45 | DrakkenWarr | heh that is what I said b0xii |
| 05:12.53 | jaggzed | can I install kde-full? |
| 05:13.16 | jaggzed | b0xii, there's always a whole shebang, and then just a shebang |
| 05:13.18 | xorgd | you can, but I do not recommend, it is like a new laptop that you buy lol |
| 05:13.26 | xorgd | bloatware |
| 05:13.28 | jaggzed | ah |
| 05:13.30 | jaggzed | gotcha |
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| 05:13.44 | jaggzed | so if I happened to have started that process already... |
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| 05:13.51 | xorgd | install the minimalist, then go read the kde-full description, if you want a package, then install it manually |
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| 05:13.52 | jaggzed | and I ctrl-c it.. :) |
| 05:13.57 | lanodan | wich process ? |
| 05:14.00 | jaggzed | then install minimalist and remove |
| 05:14.03 | jaggzed | aptitude install kde-full |
| 05:14.08 | jaggzed | it's downloading packages :) |
| 05:14.20 | b0xii | this netbook i'm on would bog down with kde whatever variety |
| 05:14.56 | lanodan | I think the laptop I currently on will explode with kde |
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| 06:29.41 | jkpieka | Test.... |
| 06:29.45 | jkpieka | Anyone see this? |
| 06:29.54 | Bsims | jkpieka: fail |
| 06:29.58 | Bsims | lol |
| 06:30.14 | jkpieka | lolz...Iv'e had trouble with irc in the past. |
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| 06:30.35 | jkpieka | and spelling as well... |
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| 06:31.53 | jkpieka | Why no one talk in IRC? |
| 06:32.05 | jelly-home | gry: something like libqt4-dev? |
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| 06:34.51 | Bsims | jkpieka: this is a quiet room try ubuntu for chatter |
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| 06:37.50 | jelly-home | jkpieka: it's both weekend, and night/early morning in Europe and Americas. Be patient. |
| 06:39.09 | jelly-home | jkpieka: also, we have a separate #debian-offtopic channel for socializing/chat, while this channel is meant to be for tech support issues |
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| 06:40.12 | jaggz-d | somehow in kde I lost my alt-tab |
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| 06:41.03 | jaggz-d | ahh.. it was the focus under mouse .. |
| 06:41.06 | jaggz-d | needs to be "follows" |
| 06:41.42 | jkpieka | cool beans. |
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| 06:42.41 | gry | jelly-home: thanks, but libqt4-dev is already installed at the time of me getting the error. :-) |
| 06:43.29 | gry | is looking through results of search for 'qt' and 'sound' ot 'nultimedia', but they're not making much sense. |
| 06:46.47 | jelly-home | gry: apt-file or /msg judd help file to search for "/QSound.h" or related things, then |
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| 06:52.09 | Bsims | Ok just a random poll what is your favorite monospace font? for me source code pro on anything but windows on windows consolas |
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| 07:02.03 | jaggz-d | nvidia-detect says my card's not supported |
| 07:03.48 | gry | Bsims: bitstream, liberation mono, terminus. |
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| 07:04.00 | gry | jelly-home: thank you, I'll look through those. |
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| 07:54.42 | Bluewolf | What commands can I enter which will display RAM, GPU, CPU, MOTHERBOARD etc specs? |
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| 07:59.05 | lxsameer | two days without a single update from debian sid, is it something wrong with me ? |
| 07:59.21 | addaitech | i had some updates earlier |
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| 07:59.35 | addaitech | lemme check now |
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| 08:00.08 | addaitech | just desktop-base |
| 08:00.28 | lxsameer | thanks |
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| 08:23.31 | Magnet | hi im using live debian cd. download chrome but unable to install. getting Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/libcurl3_7.26.0-1+wheezy9_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 200.17.202.197 80] |
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| 08:26.39 | blackyboy | When is Debian 8 going to release ? |
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| 08:27.45 | Epakai | when it's ready (shortly after rc bug count = 0) |
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| 08:28.16 | Epakai | Magnet: have you run aptitude update? |
| 08:28.21 | blackyboy | OK we can expect within next 6 months ? |
| 08:28.35 | Magnet | how to run it? |
| 08:29.24 | IlGnome | I'm running Debian Wheezy on an old lenovo thinkcentre. I'm trying to access a device via null serial cable but nothing I do seems to be able to access the serial ports. Am I missing something simple here? |
| 08:29.35 | Epakai | however you're running the chrome install. if it's through a gui i'm sure there's an update option in that gui as well |
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| 08:30.34 | Magnet | im getting that error in the gdebi package installer |
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| 08:31.27 | Magnet | it gives me error- could not download all required files with the above error in details |
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| 08:36.46 | magnet | has anyone got details for the chrome install on live cd? |
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| 08:37.52 | osram | magnet: download the chrome dep, dpkg -i <chrom.deb>, apt-get install -f |
| 08:37.59 | Epakai | you update the package cache like i told you. you're using an old list |
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| 08:38.02 | osram | *chrome deb |
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| 08:38.55 | osram | Oh, live CD - that didn't register. What is it you're trying to do? |
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| 08:39.38 | osram | I see (my bad, read backscroll). |
| 08:39.50 | magnet | Epakai: how to update package cache. |
| 08:40.05 | Epakai | open a terminal, run apt-get update or aptitude update. magic will occur. then when it tries to fetch files they will actually be on the server |
| 08:40.51 | Epakai | you may need to run them as 'sudo apt-get..." i don't know how these livecds are setup |
| 08:42.01 | magnet | ok, started the update |
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| 08:49.24 | osram | IlGnome: minicom/picocom are what I usually use. |
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| 08:49.44 | osram | IlGnome: make sure your user has rw for /dev/ttyS? |
| 08:50.03 | IlGnome | osram: i'm on the sudoers list |
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| 08:51.18 | osram | Hmm. I'd solve that problem by becoming a member of the relevant group (dialout in my case). |
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| 08:52.02 | IlGnome | well, this computer also won't see a USB device plugged in unless it's rebooted |
| 08:52.48 | osram | IlGnome: but that's a separate issue. Once it sees the device (/dev/ttyUSB?) you have similar permission issues. |
| 08:53.24 | IlGnome | I'm trying to connect to a Sena HelloDevice LS100 to check settings so I can compare it to another one that seems to have stopped working |
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| 08:53.31 | IlGnome | also, it happened in windows too |
| 08:54.29 | raSter^ | what should i type if i want to install my nvidia driver? |
| 08:54.31 | osram | IlGnome: You could configure that via telnet |
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| 08:55.05 | Bluewolf | What commands can I enter which will display RAM, GPU, CPU, MOTHERBOARD etc specs? |
| 08:55.08 | IlGnome | I could, but I'd need the IP if it's on the network |
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| 08:55.40 | IlGnome | and I don't have a cross over cable |
| 08:55.50 | osram | I'd expect it to try getting an IP via dhcp. |
| 08:56.10 | IlGnome | it isn't |
| 08:56.16 | osram | IlGnome: :( |
| 08:56.22 | IlGnome | it's hooked up to a ving keycard encoder |
| 08:56.30 | IlGnome | so it has to have a static IP for Opera to see it |
| 08:56.34 | raSter^ | will debian auto install the drivers i needed if i just do a sudo apt-get update and upgrade? |
| 08:56.43 | raSter^ | for my old nvdia card |
| 08:56.58 | IlGnome | and while that information is stored in the Opera config n each computer I don't have access to that with out calling support |
| 08:57.03 | osram | IlGnome: According to the manual, factory default is IP by dhcp - so that should work |
| 08:57.29 | IlGnome | This are all pre-configured devices |
| 08:57.50 | osram | IlGnome: Heh, so they should `just work'tm :D |
| 08:58.08 | raSter^ | its a 9400 series videocard |
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| 08:59.27 | IlGnome | osram: I say 'pre-configured' but I mean they've all already been set up by some one else that's no longer with the company and htere is no documentation on them |
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| 09:00.54 | osram | IlGnome: they might also have altered serial parameters such as baud rate, etc. |
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| 09:01.24 | osram | In any case, minicom/picocom should be easy check that - as long as you have permission to read/write the serial port device. |
| 09:01.51 | IlGnome | I do, but my issue is getting the box to see that something is connected to TTYS |
| 09:02.10 | IlGnome | and I totally just ate two peices of bred I thought I had turned into a PB&J |
| 09:02.53 | osram | IlGnome: Just in case: http://www.hellodevice.nl/fileadmin/QuickReference/ls100.pdf - beyond that, we can't help you. |
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| 09:03.17 | IlGnome | I have that up too on each computer i'm bouncing around on =P |
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| 09:03.51 | IlGnome | wish I had something I /knew/ worked via serial port on this computer |
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| 09:13.42 | IlGnome | osram: on a whim I got onto the computer that acts as the server for our keymakers. There's an app on it that lets me configure the HelloDevices |
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| 09:14.17 | osram | Ah cool, it's a windows thing - you could download it from here http://www.hellodevice.nl/fileadmin/Software/setup_hdmgr.exe |
| 09:14.30 | osram | I was wondering if it might be able to autodiscover devices on the network. |
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| 09:17.27 | IlGnome | I'm rarely ever on that computer and that program does everything I need it to do |
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| 09:17.36 | osram | \o/ |
| 09:17.43 | osram | Nice. |
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| 09:18.01 | repxxl | is debian by default block port 10000 ? |
| 09:18.05 | IlGnome | and it tells me the problem device seems to be working |
| 09:18.34 | IlGnome | i'm just going to go weep under a desk for a bit |
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| 09:19.04 | osram | IlGnome: have another coffee first, then check everything else. |
| 09:19.08 | osram | repxxl: No. |
| 09:20.10 | IlGnome | it's more that I spent so much time trying to see if I could get this thing talking to this old computer via serial port so I could check the settings only to find out that the keyserver actually has a program on it that I can do what I need it to do |
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| 09:20.18 | repxxl | osram i have debian on vbox, windows8 is my host when i click turn off guest or public network firewall it my xdebug wich runs on 10000 works when i only add a specific port on win8 like 10000 it does not work. |
| 09:20.22 | IlGnome | I really should take the time to document this stuff |
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| 09:21.33 | osram | repxxl: yeah, I have no idea how host/guest networking works on Windows/VirtualBox. Sorry. |
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| 09:22.51 | juna | does anyone here use encrypted disk debian installs? i am trying to now move my /home /usr/ /tmp/ and /var to new external HDD i purchased. how do i do that? my system is wheezy LUKs installed from start |
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| 09:25.01 | juna | i know how to do on non encrypted but gparted isnt working for encrypted. ive searched tutorials online and still couldnt manage to enlarge my LUKS. i saw a tutorial that said to add another partition after my crypt which is sda5 and how do i add a partiiton after sda5? it wasnt letting me |
| 09:25.58 | juna | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions#Detailed_resizing_.2BAH4_Enlarging_an_encrypted_partition |
| 09:26.46 | juna | are these instructions right to follow for my situation? the first step is what gets me when it says create a /dev/sda6 I don't know why but 6 is not an available number when using fdisk |
| 09:26.51 | juna | only 1-4 |
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| 09:28.05 | osram | juna: /dev/sda6 is just an example ("let's call it /dev/sda6"). |
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| 09:28.32 | osram | juna: you need to make sure you do this to the _correct_ partition as applicable to _your_ setup. |
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| 09:28.50 | osram | juna: make sure you have a good backup before you start |
| 09:29.13 | juna | osram: if i create sda4 and my crypt is in sda5 |
| 09:29.17 | juna | then is that allowed? |
| 09:29.26 | juna | for that step |
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| 09:30.06 | osram | juna: there are too many caveats for me to comment - I don't want to ruin your system by accident. |
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| 09:30.51 | savantgarde | I'm encountering internal compiler error trying to compile Emscripten 1.27.0 on Debian testing, anyone else seen this? |
| 09:31.02 | savantgarde | I'm compiling under Docker if it makes any difference |
| 09:31.31 | juna | osram: i am trying to learn to expand luks and replace the partitions with new ones |
| 09:31.44 | juna | would you know of any references and have you done that before |
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| 09:34.02 | osram | juna: I usually put LVM on my drives and encrypt that. Any LV's and partitions within it are then encrypted transparently. |
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| 09:34.30 | osram | juna: so no, I'm not entirely familiar with your situation. |
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| 09:35.13 | Noldi | Hello |
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| 09:36.54 | juna | osram: by default, debian puts LVM and encrypts it |
| 09:36.56 | juna | right? |
| 09:37.18 | osram | juna: I don't know what debian does by default. |
| 09:37.28 | juna | it does do that |
| 09:37.34 | juna | i checed on mine |
| 09:37.42 | osram | Sweet |
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| 09:38.53 | juna | osram: so are general lvm commands to create and expand etc. applicable to encrypted? |
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| 09:39.25 | guanche | hi |
| 09:39.26 | osram | juna: assuming LVM is layered on top of the encryption, yes. |
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| 09:40.19 | juna | osram: so youre saying if the LUKS has LVM over it or if LVM is inside of LUKS? |
| 09:40.37 | osram | juna: if LUKS has LVM over it. |
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| 09:41.05 | osram | juna: actually, both of what you said amounts to the same thing. |
| 09:41.10 | guanche | back when I installed debian, I configured the wifi (don't exactly remeber how), and so it works fine, connects to my router at boot with no hassle, I can't find, however an appropiate entry under `/etc/network/interfaces', nor anything resembling wpa_supplicant.conf anywhere, can somebody help me reverting this to a propper configurable connection? |
| 09:41.43 | juna | osram: do u encrypt after install or during install of debian personally? |
| 09:41.53 | guanche | I just don't know were the system is getting connection info (psk key, essid), so I can't change it |
| 09:42.16 | juna | and why is that |
| 09:42.28 | osram | juna: before install |
| 09:43.36 | osram | juna: I set up the storage the way I want (pxe booting or using a live cd), then install into that. |
| 09:43.58 | osram | juna: alternatively, you can let debian set up encription during the install |
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| 09:46.05 | juna | osra: how would you move your encrypted logical partitions to an external hdd if u had to and still have /home work but be directed to the new external HDD |
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| 09:49.38 | guanche | ok, the problem seems to be the network-manager |
| 09:49.51 | guanche | which might be some overoptimized crap for "users" |
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| 10:01.32 | osram | juna: I'd probably just partition the external drive, encrypt the partitions, lay down a file system, mount that in my home directory then use rsync to copy any non-important junk into that directory. |
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| 10:01.58 | osram | juna: When you're sure everything is nicely copied you can start to delete stuff from the source. |
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| 11:20.08 | woshty | Is there an eta on jessie? |
| 11:20.27 | SynrG | !wwjr |
| 11:20.27 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
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| 11:25.56 | Otyugh | hey. I just installde irc-hybrid, but strange thing, mkpasswd don't seem to be located anywhere :s |
| 11:26.08 | Otyugh | *installed |
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| 11:29.24 | Otyugh | did the setup changed, and the instructions outdated, then ? |
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| 11:54.56 | auscompgeek | Otyugh: afaik mkpasswd is an irc server command |
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| 11:55.00 | repxxl | network mirror dissabled -> i fu cked up something ? |
| 11:55.07 | repxxl | during installation |
| 11:55.34 | Otyugh | auscompgeek: ly bad then :p |
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| 12:00.17 | redstonecraftpl | Hi |
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| 12:04.40 | repxxl | what is network mirror ? |
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| 12:13.24 | itt788 | As I wanted to remotely open a new X session in a computer remotely having debian wheezy running I was advised to use x11vnc but it seems that's not doing what I want. |
| 12:13.48 | itt788 | I want to open X sessions on that remote computer the same way we do with ssh when we want to open a non-X session. |
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| 12:14.00 | itt788 | Initially I succeded in getting what I want by doing the following: "$ X :1; xterm -display 1" on the local computer, then switch to the X display :1 and "$ ssh -X user@remote_computer_ip" in the xterm window and "$gnome-session" but that quickly showed up to have a lot of problems supposedly because window environment session needed latency support ... |
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| 12:17.37 | Okitain | itt788: as i'm sure lots of people have already told you, RDC in one way or another is the preferred solution |
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| 12:18.05 | itt788 | no one told me rdc |
| 12:18.31 | Okitain | i meant VNC/RDP/all that jazz |
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| 12:19.40 | itt788 | yes they told me vnc, I'm using x11vnc as server and tigervnc as client, but that's not wht I want |
| 12:20.15 | SynrG | RDP |
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| 12:20.47 | repxxl | can anyone tell me what did i missing when i unchecked network mirrior during the installation of debian ? cool ths |
| 12:21.08 | SynrG | however, i don't think debian has an RDP server. there is x11rdp, but that only has VNC by default, with RDP needing to be built separately |
| 12:21.39 | SynrG | that being said, x11rdp will do the job |
| 12:21.53 | SynrG | er, xrdp, i mean |
| 12:22.00 | SynrG | ,v xrdp |
| 12:22.02 | judd | Package: xrdp on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-6; wheezy: 0.5.0-2; sid: 0.6.1-2; jessie: 0.6.1-2 |
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| 12:25.20 | Rovanion | Is it possible to monitor the output of a GNU screen and execute a command upon a specific output? |
| 12:26.43 | Okitain | itt788: if you want to open a new X session in VNC on the server, you can probably just open it via ssh and set up x11vnc there |
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| 12:28.26 | Rovanion | The problem I actually want to solve is this: I got a propietary software running on my server, it doesn't update until it is restarted but announces that it needs ta be restarted to stdout. I got the process running in a screen so I can reattach to it's console. |
| 12:28.46 | Rovanion | So I want to run the restart command when the screen gets the "I have an update available" message. |
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| 12:29.41 | joehh1 | If I am writing an init script, should it check for systemd/upstart and not run if we are running under one of them? |
| 12:29.44 | repxxl | can anyone tell me for what is good private/public keys when it connect me also when i dont set public key |
| 12:30.02 | itt788 | Okitain: what would it change? I nevertheless struggled hard in starting x11vnc on the remote computer via a non-X session through ssh for another purpose: I did never get it |
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| 12:30.53 | joehh1 | this is to prevent people running /etc/init.d/servicename (salt in this case) manually and possibly starting two instances |
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| 12:41.51 | flux242 | why don't you want to check if a service is already runnin instead? |
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| 12:52.35 | elico | I need to install a basic ssh server and would like to use debian for that. |
| 12:52.36 | elico | I am unsure about what iso to use for a ssh only server on a offline machine. |
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| 13:11.22 | g00se | Use minimum install. Install openssh-server |
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| 13:18.21 | elico | g00se: but what ISO do I use for it? netinstall? |
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| 13:20.09 | elico | it's not clear to me if the netinstall iso is to install the os and then install the additional files after a openssh install or use the network during the installation. |
| 13:20.10 | elico | It might support both options but I do not understand it from the netinst cd page. |
| 13:20.57 | sandman13 | elico: netinstall means "use the network during the installation" |
| 13:21.39 | elico | sandman13: thanks. So the cd-1.iso would be the best option to first install the OS and then continue from a running OS with only openssh(probably) |
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| 13:22.17 | sandman13 | elico: I would suggest downloading the DVDs |
| 13:22.50 | elico | sandman13: OK, thanks. |
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| 13:23.00 | sandman13 | elico: np |
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| 13:24.11 | chb | morning, quick question - disable module loading does it really add to security? |
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| 13:25.13 | g00se | If all you need is an ssh server then start out small (hint - it takes some experience with the installer to not get too much) |
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| 13:47.56 | repxxl | how to turn off firewall on debian wanna test something |
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| 13:48.57 | xand | debian has no firewall rules by default |
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| 13:53.38 | repxxl | i dont understand it .. xdebug work only when i shutdown the windows firewall completely when i add specific port or ip from the virtualbox debian it does not work |
| 13:53.40 | rapha | Hi! |
| 13:53.49 | repxxl | i can ping from debian my host and also the reverse method. |
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| 13:56.44 | rapha | Can the netinstall CD be used to install Debian onto an already existing partition encrypted with LUKS? |
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| 14:01.14 | oldwoman | hello great guys for some time i have no troubles but i am trying install debian with netinst in one pen drive but appear from me with bios of the box not support default instalation resolution for install in a console the startup of netinst stops in a black screen, any tip for me? |
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| 14:09.05 | okdamn | does anybody here used Asterisk before? |
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| 14:18.17 | sambaa | what makes iptables stop ? |
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| 14:19.57 | xryz | sambaa, /etc/init.d/iptables stop |
| 14:20.40 | sambaa | cryz no such file or directory |
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| 14:23.22 | jelly-home | sambaa: the question is, what makes them start at all on your system? |
| 14:23.40 | nully | sambaa: iptables-restore < /dev/null |
| 14:23.52 | sambaa | it's firewall ? |
| 14:23.56 | nully | you can delete their rules and chans too, i think the stop script is just taredown/restore |
| 14:24.02 | nully | iptables = firewall, yes. |
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| 14:33.25 | woshty | Is there some nifty subvolume scheme for btrfs in Debian? |
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| 14:39.56 | raSter^ | how to install the latest driver in nvidia the proper way in debian? |
| 14:40.12 | raSter^ | should i use the repository? Or use the one located on the nvidia website? |
| 14:40.39 | ctmjr | !tell raSter^ -about nvidia |
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| 14:41.41 | raSter^ | but right now it seems to work perfectly fine w/o anything to install |
| 14:41.50 | raSter^ | does this mean i dont need any drivers for it? |
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| 14:43.28 | bb_miya | Hai. Could someone help me with a question on the touch command?? :) |
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| 14:44.21 | woshty | bb_miya: just ask your question. |
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| 14:45.35 | ctmjr | raSter^, if you do not play games or need hardware acceleration for graphics then the default driver is fine |
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| 14:47.14 | bb_miya | I'm trying to change the modified date of a folder, without affecting the 1000+ files in it. I can't figure out the syntax >.<. Is it touch -rm /mnt/tripmusic/ /mnt/tripmusic1/ |
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| 14:50.21 | bb_miya | Helloo? |
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| 14:53.30 | woshty | bb_miya: turn around r and m like -mr .. I have never use m .. |
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| 14:54.29 | raSter^ | ctmjr, what do you suggest? |
| 14:54.46 | raSter^ | im just trying to install an old nvidia card which is just 9400 GT |
| 14:54.53 | bb_miya | Ok. M switch isto ensure that only mod date is changed. Any clue if this will affect the files in the directory? |
| 14:55.18 | raSter^ | should i just use this default driver or can i benefit installing the latest driver? I also want to game a little but not extreme |
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| 14:55.35 | raSter^ | and i really wanted to benefit on better video multimedia |
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| 14:56.29 | woshty | bb_miya: it should not change the files in that directory. It sets tripmusic1 to be the same moddate as tripmusic |
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| 14:58.05 | bb_miya | Perfect! Thank you sweetie! I will give it a shot. |
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| 15:00.22 | ctmjr | raSter^, I would leave it as is and see how it goes if videos and your games do not work as expected then I would look into the nvidia driver. |
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| 15:01.06 | raSter^ | i see. thanks |
| 15:01.10 | raSter^ | thats also what i was thinking. |
| 15:01.32 | raSter^ | i remember the saying, if its not broken, dont fix it |
| 15:01.34 | raSter^ | lol |
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| 15:04.09 | bibi234 | I'm using a software that creates a virtual machine, I've only configured the private ip "192.168.5.10" for this virtual machine, I've just figured out that when I'm connected in ssh into that virtual machine, I can reach the host machine by using the ip "192.168.5.1", what is that rule? |
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| 15:17.46 | pppd | bibi234: tell us what hypervisor you are using... |
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| 15:19.24 | bibi234 | pppd: virtualbox |
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| 15:20.09 | pppd | good |
| 15:20.14 | pppd | what doesn't work? networking? |
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| 15:21.32 | bibi234 | pppd: it works, I'm just a beginner in networking an d trying to understand where "192.168.5.1" comes from |
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| 15:21.58 | lanodan | I got a strange bug on my laptop, I got a high load average (between 4 and 5) but htop/top/ps isn’t showing high load process (and i3status shows 100% but htop ~30%) |
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| 15:23.38 | lanodan | My laptop is very old (2003) so maybe I got a problem with drivers |
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| 15:33.38 | pppd | bibi234: it depends on what mode is selected |
| 15:33.45 | pppd | some hypervisors ship with a nat/dhcp server |
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| 15:34.00 | pppd | so a dhcp server will assign an ip address to the vm |
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| 15:36.25 | jelly-home | lanodan: run "vmstat 1", see if there's 4-5 processes waiting on disk (r and b columns) |
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| 15:37.00 | Gnomino_ | Hello, I upgraded to debian testing from debian wheezy on my VPS, and somehow ipv6 got broken |
| 15:37.23 | jelly-home | lanodan: processes stuck in kernel space waiting for I/O count towards load average |
| 15:38.02 | jaggz-d | okay, what was that way you could run other os's within linux? |
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| 15:39.12 | jaggz-d | there was some new method.. different than normal virtualization.. |
| 15:39.13 | ompaul | kvm/qemu is one tool |
| 15:39.14 | bibi234 | pppd: it's not a dhcp server, I've used the 'static ip' option with a custom private ip "192.168.5.10". I was more surprised by the fact that then the vm could access the host machine with "192.168.5.1" (I haven't configured this) |
| 15:39.27 | ompaul | jaggz-d: virtualisation each type is different |
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| 15:39.58 | pppd | bibi234: static ip for the vm or for the host? |
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| 15:40.41 | bibi234 | pppd: for the vm |
| 15:41.09 | pppd | bibi234: so I assume the vm is connected to host on a bridge (brß?) |
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| 15:41.16 | pppd | so the host can specify its own ip address for the bridge |
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| 15:43.02 | jelly-home | jaggz-d: if they're really other OSes, not sure there can be anything except full virtualization, or emulation. If it's just a different Linux, containers may be used. Examples of container technology: LXC, OpenVZ |
| 15:43.07 | ompaul | Gnomino: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 15:43.36 | Gnomino | ip -6 addr add [...] dev venet0:0 adds the IP address to venet0 |
| 15:43.51 | Gnomino | instead of venet0:0 |
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| 15:44.00 | jaggz-d | yeah I want to examine a Mint install |
| 15:44.42 | bibi234 | pppd: ok I see, so basically it's something that is configured automatically by the vm, that's not a rule in private networking |
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| 15:45.04 | bibi234 | by the hypervisor * |
| 15:45.52 | jaggz-d | OpenVZ I think was that one which maintained a bunch of images and stuff already huh? |
| 15:45.56 | jaggz-d | thanks, jelly-home |
| 15:46.15 | jaggz-d | Thank you all. I do not only wish to thank you merely if you help me. |
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| 15:48.06 | Guest13114 | i want to trasnfer files to android to debian. on windows i used es file explorer and mtp does not work properly on linux. what is the best method available? |
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| 15:49.20 | lanodan | On a linux you put your phone on USB Mass Storage (tap on "manage USB connection" in the notification area) |
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| 15:50.25 | Guest13114 | the phone was not detected as mtp. |
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| 15:52.08 | lanodan | You plug your phone with USB, then you put it into USB Mass Storage and your volume manager should reconise it |
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| 15:53.31 | Guest13114 | when i connect using the usb cable, i get two options- mtp and ptp. |
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| 15:54.01 | lanodan | Then you do not have android, maybe an android based. |
| 15:54.17 | Guest13114 | its galaxy s3 |
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| 15:54.49 | Guest13114 | on windows i used es file explorer, but that does not work on linux too. |
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| 15:54.51 | lanodan | Otherwise you can try using a sftp client and connecting via wifi to your computer |
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| 15:58.21 | lanodan | And it’s kind of off-topic here because the problem isn’t debian but samsung’s android |
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| 16:03.05 | ctmjr | Guest13114, you plug in your phone and you choose mtp it should show up in file manager, I just did tried this with 2 laptops one running testing and the other stable |
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| 16:10.22 | ross`_ | Hey, i'm trying to run a 32bit garys mod on a 64bit debian 7 server |
| 16:10.29 | ross`_ | i installed ia32-lib |
| 16:10.35 | ross`_ | but i get this error still when running the program |
| 16:10.48 | ross`_ | Failed to open dedicated_srv.so (/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by bin/dedicated_srv.so)) |
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| 16:11.39 | lanodan | Apparently you need GLIBC_2.15… |
| 16:12.27 | t4nk651 | Hi |
| 16:12.35 | t4nk651 | Yesterday I tryed to do a upgrade using synaptic |
| 16:12.59 | t4nk651 | however I had the "Download only" option checked, which was a mistake |
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| 16:13.26 | t4nk651 | so I opened up a terminal and did cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:13.53 | t4nk651 | the I did this "dpkg install *.deb" |
| 16:14.18 | t4nk651 | however this resulted in a lot of errors |
| 16:14.26 | petn-randall | t4nk651: Why did you do that? |
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| 16:14.57 | lanodan | I think you should just re-run the update with synaptics, it will take the packages for the cache |
| 16:15.12 | t4nk651 | because I had closed synaptic |
| 16:15.12 | petn-randall | t4nk651: Just uncheck the download-only option, and you would have been fine. |
| 16:16.29 | t4nk651 | Yes I should have unchecked the download only but I didnt notice it!! |
| 16:16.54 | petn-randall | t4nk651: You could have unchecked it after you noticed it, it will also be fine. |
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| 16:17.58 | t4nk651 | when I start synaptic again it dosent see the cached files now |
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| 16:18.26 | repxxl | why php print this X-Powered-By: PHP/5.5.19-1~dotdeb.1 |
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| 16:19.46 | t4nk651 | is there a wat to tell synaptic about these downloaded files? |
| 16:19.52 | lanodan | Damn I need to fix this "hidden" processes, thing my laptop is gettings freezes |
| 16:20.04 | t4nk651 | way* |
| 16:20.50 | lanodan | Are you sure the files have been downloaded and only-downloaded ? |
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| 16:21.38 | t4nk651 | yes only downloaded because it took some time I left the computer alone |
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| 16:22.34 | t4nk651 | I need to figure out how to install them in the proper order as synaptic would have done |
| 16:22.34 | lanodan | (you can verify it with a ls -rt /var/cache/apt/archives/ and a apt-cache policy of one of the latest downloaded package ) |
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| 16:23.59 | t4nk651 | sorry I dont understand the second part apt-cache policy part |
| 16:24.03 | lanodan | And I think you should have put only the files downloaded yesterday to dpkg |
| 16:24.21 | ompaul | t4nk651: apt-cache policy programnamegoeshere |
| 16:26.01 | lanodan | ( example: the lateste package I downloaded is vim_2%3a7.4.488-3_i386.deb so I do a apt-cache policy vim) |
| 16:26.11 | lanodan | *latest |
| 16:27.12 | t4nk651 | so if i want to install mc (midnight commander) I do apt-cache policy mc (will this pick up its dependices?) |
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| 16:28.23 | lanodan | no apt-cache policy whows want version is installed |
| 16:28.54 | t4nk651 | ok but I know its not install |
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| 16:29.12 | t4nk651 | installed" |
| 16:29.23 | lanodan | Maybe you can try a apt-get upgrade if it hasn’t been installed (since you have forced it with dpkg) |
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| 16:31.14 | t4nk651 | ok so lets say I hadnt done dpkg install *.deb (I might do a fresh install) |
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| 16:31.52 | t4nk651 | how could I pass the downloaded deb files on a fresh install |
| 16:31.57 | lanodan | If you haven’t done the dpkg thing and even the synaptics with download-only: apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:33.26 | t4nk651 | ok so apt-get upgrade on a fresh install will use the downloaded files and not try to redownload them again?? |
| 16:33.35 | lanodan | To pass the downloaded files to another install you copy the /var/cache/apt/archives/ and do not use dpkg to upgrade |
| 16:33.57 | lanodan | Yes |
| 16:34.24 | lanodan | If files haven’t been changed on the repository |
| 16:34.35 | t4nk651 | thats good thanks as there are a lot of files!! |
| 16:34.51 | t4nk651 | well they are only a day old |
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| 16:38.02 | t4nk651 | ok so thats the best option a fresh install and copy archives folder over then run apt-get upgrade just checking I have it right!!! |
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| 16:39.52 | Miesco | I deleted gnome, and now I have tiny text in all my gtk applications. What shall I do to adjust the font back to like it was? |
| 16:40.05 | lanodan | You can also try apt-get upgrade without re-installing but maybe it will not work |
| 16:40.45 | lanodan | Miesco: What desktop envirroment are you using ? |
| 16:40.53 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have a machine with high-load and I have no idea why. How could I investigate more? |
| 16:41.15 | t4nk651 | ok thanks but I think I messed it up with dpkg |
| 16:42.01 | Miesco | lanodan: I am not using a desktop environment |
| 16:42.03 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: you can run the top command and it will show you which process is hogging your cpu |
| 16:42.22 | FilipeMaia | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 16:42.22 | lanodan | Miesco: So how do you have gtk applications ? |
| 16:42.39 | Miesco | lanodan: I am using dwm to manage X applications |
| 16:42.45 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: top - 17:42:37 up 59 days, 3:01, 35 users, load average: 34.10, 34.19, 32.99 |
| 16:42.56 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: 99.8 is the culprit |
| 16:43.23 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: but that’s the idle column isn’t it? |
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| 16:44.28 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: look at the top line %cpu |
| 16:44.49 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: yes, but it says 99.8%id, or 99.8% idle |
| 16:45.59 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: mine dosent have an idle but 98 idle is no cpu usage |
| 16:46.17 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651:I agree |
| 16:46.28 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: I how to find the cause of the high load? |
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| 16:47.37 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: you cant have high load AND 99% idle dosent make sence |
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| 16:49.31 | lanodan | Miesco: Okay, maybe you can try using xfce4-settings (I use it with i3 to set up gtk parameters) |
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| 16:49.50 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: yea, such is life |
| 16:50.15 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: i think it’s some kind of I/O load that doesn’t show up in top |
| 16:50.21 | lanodan | Okay I got 98.5% of CPU in waiting… |
| 16:50.23 | FilipeMaia | but iostat can’t find anything interesting |
| 16:50.58 | FilipeMaia | I’m having infiniband connection problems, so maybe it’s something related with the infiniband driver blocking stuff |
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| 16:52.24 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: in top what does %cpu show? |
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| 16:53.05 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: Cpu(s): 0.1%us, 0.1%sy, 0.1%ni, 99.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 16:53.18 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: for example mine shows iceweasel is using 4.5% |
| 16:53.27 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: I see |
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| 16:53.36 | FilipeMaia | t4nk651: 27213 root 20 0 26448 1888 988 R 3.8 0.0 0:00.03 top |
| 16:54.01 | FilipeMaia | Basically there’s nothing running, top is the highest cpu user |
| 16:54.25 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: so your root is using only 3.8% |
| 16:54.45 | FilipeMaia | the top process was the highest cpu user and was using 3.8% at that time |
| 16:55.00 | FilipeMaia | 0.7% a few seconds later |
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| 16:55.24 | FilipeMaia | i’m certain i’m not CPU bound, i just wanted to try to figure out where things could be blocking |
| 16:55.27 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: then you dont have anything hogging your cpu |
| 16:55.55 | FilipeMaia | I know, i but there’s something else causing the high laod |
| 16:55.57 | FilipeMaia | load |
| 16:56.13 | FilipeMaia | memory usage is also low |
| 16:56.30 | t4nk651 | FilipeMaia: even my id is 97 so that means my cpu is doing nothing really |
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| 16:56.44 | FilipeMaia | iostat on the local disks shows very little traffic |
| 16:57.03 | FilipeMaia | same with iostat on nfs |
| 16:57.16 | FilipeMaia | it’s a bit misterious |
| 16:57.29 | throwthecheese | How can I get apt-get to download packages from MediaFire? |
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| 16:58.13 | Psy-Q | for some reason, in WINE i can't reach the bottom of a window or full screen application with the mouse anymore. using nvidia proprietary drivers i can't get there, using intel drivers i can. it seems like the bottom 30% of any window are ignored in terms of mouse coordinates |
| 16:58.26 | towo` | throwthecheese, some trolling? |
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| 16:59.07 | Psy-Q | anyone encountered similar issues? this is with wine 1.7.32 and 1.7.31 (compiled them myself, usually they don't cause trouble) on jessie |
| 16:59.44 | Psy-Q | oh, it seems there are a few X updates coming down for jessie now. i'll first try those |
| 16:59.46 | t4nk651 | well Im off to do a fresh install thanks lanodan and ompaul for the tips!! |
| 16:59.51 | Psy-Q | maybe there is an issue in mouse handling and WINE triggers that |
| 17:00.01 | ross`_ | Failed to open dedicated_srv.so (/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by bin/dedicated_srv.so)) |
| 17:00.05 | throwthecheese | No, I want to create a Debian-based distro and I need a place to store my .debs |
| 17:00.33 | towo` | mediafire is a one-click-hoster, not a repo |
| 17:00.38 | ross`_ | how can i get 32bit glibc_2.15 on 64 bit debian 7 |
| 17:00.56 | throwthecheese | Then how do I create a repo on a free hosting service? |
| 17:00.58 | addaitech | thats weird psy-q |
| 17:01.06 | addaitech | did you file a bug report? |
| 17:01.31 | throwthecheese | Should I create the repo on my own computer then move it onto the hosting service? |
| 17:01.34 | Psy-Q | addaitech: no, i didn't even know what i should look for |
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| 17:02.14 | Psy-Q | addaitech: i don't want to submit something that's already there. it seems to happen with directdraw/d3d applications as far as i can tell |
| 17:02.30 | Psy-Q | but i think i'd have to gather lots more information before i know enough for a bug report |
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| 17:04.52 | repxxl | anyone can tell me why i see headers inside the browser output when i debug with xdebug ? |
| 17:04.54 | Psy-Q | now i grabbed the new X updates |
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| 17:05.26 | Psy-Q | ah hah: err:x11settings:X11DRV_ChangeDisplaySettingsEx No matching mode found 4294967295x4294967295x32 @60! (XRandR 1.2) |
| 17:05.38 | Psy-Q | well, i wouldn't want to change to that resolution either :P |
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| 17:06.50 | Psy-Q | it only breaks for windowed windows applications |
| 17:06.54 | throwthecheese | My distro will contain home-brewn tools and that's why I need an APT repo to store them instead of just installing them from local directories and forcing users to use wget <packageurl> && sudo dpkg -i <packagename-version_arch.deb> for updating them |
| 17:07.07 | Psy-Q | if i do a virtual desktop and tell the application to go fullscreen, it's all fine. i think this might really be a bug in WINE |
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| 17:08.56 | fraktor | I recently did a system upgrade (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade), and I noticed grub said it was installing for "i386-pc". |
| 17:09.11 | fraktor | I'm on a 64-bit system. does something need to be done about this, or am I misinterpreting the message? |
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| 17:12.38 | addaitech | fraktor did you add multiarch support? |
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| 17:13.35 | fraktor | yes, I did. |
| 17:13.46 | fraktor | looking at the packages with dpkg -l, it says that the arch is amd64. |
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| 17:16.52 | Stark- | can I pass from 32 bits to 64 with a dist-upgrade? |
| 17:18.23 | Brigo | Stark-, i don't think so. |
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| 17:19.04 | Stark- | ok |
| 17:20.23 | repxxl | MIME |
| 17:20.27 | Miesco | lanodan: I think it worked, thanks. |
| 17:20.31 | repxxl | why the hell i getting headers to the eclipse browser output while debugging , and others don't -.- |
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| 17:23.35 | fraktor | addaitech: does that mean that I can safely reboot? I've just been putting the computer to sleep for fear of having problems booting. |
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| 17:25.36 | throwthecheese | I simplify my question: can I just create the repo on my computer then copy its' contents to my free website? |
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| 17:30.53 | fraktor | throwthecheese: there are a few articles on the wiki that seem to indicate that you can set them up on your own domain. |
| 17:30.55 | repxxl | who uses xdebug ? |
| 17:31.30 | throwthecheese | @fraktor I have access only to free hosting services |
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| 17:32.42 | fraktor | throwthecheese: let me rephrase: it looks like you can package them up, then host them, but you'll need some scripts running there to service your requests. |
| 17:32.49 | fraktor | what kind of scripting are you hosting? |
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| 17:33.38 | throwthecheese | Then which sites do provide a free APT repository? |
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| 17:34.48 | ross`_ | how can i get 32bit glibc_2.15 on 64 bit debian 7 |
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| 17:35.04 | throwthecheese | Or is there any free hosting service that supports all the scripts needed for an APT repository? |
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| 17:38.52 | Sendoushi | hey guys. just done a clean install of debian without any DE only the basic |
| 17:38.54 | Sendoushi | installed i3 through apt-get |
| 17:38.56 | Sendoushi | but how can i run i3 now? |
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| 17:42.22 | throwthecheese | @fraktor Most free hosting sites allow PHP, I'm not sure if they allow Perl or Ruby |
| 17:42.47 | hrnz | Sendoushi: echo 'exec i3' >> ~/.xinitrc && startx |
| 17:43.06 | Sendoushi | hm. a sec... |
| 17:43.12 | hrnz | or i3wm or however the binary is called |
| 17:43.36 | Sendoushi | i dont have that xinitrc |
| 17:43.41 | Sendoushi | i guess that is a problem? |
| 17:43.57 | Sendoushi | nor startx |
| 17:44.06 | Sendoushi | maybe i need to install X ? |
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| 17:47.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sendoushi -about install xorg |
| 17:48.07 | babilen | Sendoushi: Do that, install a session manager (e.g. gdm3, lightdm, ...) of your choice and i3 and you should be good |
| 17:48.21 | Sendoushi | so i need a session manager |
| 17:48.25 | Sendoushi | and xorg? |
| 17:48.28 | babilen | yeah |
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| 17:48.38 | Sendoushi | ok thanks |
| 17:48.44 | Sendoushi | let me start by installing xorg ehehe |
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| 17:49.26 | babilen | Oh, and don't use hwat hrnz just recommended as it won't properly initiate dbus, logind and consolekit. I'd recommend to go with a session/display manager such as gdm3 instead. |
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| 17:50.23 | Sendoushi | i'll check it thanks :) |
| 17:50.24 | hrnz | systemd-logind creates the session |
| 17:50.35 | Sendoushi | i'm completely new on this thing of clean install without DE |
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| 17:50.45 | Sendoushi | i have to search what is xorg |
| 17:50.48 | hrnz | and consolekit is deprecated anyway |
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| 17:51.18 | hrnz | its functionality is provided by logind |
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| 17:52.20 | jelly-home | hrnz: in wheezy? |
| 17:52.29 | hrnz | lol no |
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| 17:52.55 | babilen | Sendoushi: Check your private messages, our bot just sent you information on how to install Xorg |
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| 17:53.25 | Sendoushi | yes i've seen :) |
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| 17:54.04 | Sendoushi | installed already |
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| 17:55.50 | Sendoushi | soo... in your opinion i should use slim or gdm3 right? |
| 17:55.55 | hrnz | slim is broken |
| 17:55.59 | Sendoushi | is it? |
| 17:55.59 | Sendoushi | hm |
| 17:56.08 | Sendoushi | no point in checking that one then |
| 17:56.29 | Sendoushi | archlinux page says it was abandoned sooo... |
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| 17:58.09 | jelly-home | Sendoushi: which debian release did you install? |
| 17:58.14 | Sendoushi | wheezy i think |
| 17:58.22 | Sendoushi | netinstall without DE i think it is wheezy |
| 17:58.26 | jelly-home | hrnz: is slim broken in wheezy? |
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| 17:58.44 | jelly-home | did not try it in quite a while |
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| 17:59.10 | hrnz | jelly-home: I'm not sure how old wheezy is, I don't use it :-) |
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| 17:59.46 | hrnz | but I would never decide to use dead software, even if it still works in my outdated environment |
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| 17:59.49 | Sendoushi | no point in installing something that is broken ehehe |
| 17:59.55 | Sendoushi | exactly what hrnz said |
| 18:00.05 | jelly-home | hrnz: it would be wise not to comment on people asking help using it, then |
| 18:00.50 | jelly-home | Sendoushi: true, but he doesn't even know whether the damn thing works on your OS or not |
| 18:01.04 | Sendoushi | yes but he gots a point i dont want to install dead software |
| 18:01.16 | Sendoushi | since there isn't more development in it i prefer to search other one |
| 18:01.27 | jelly-home | oh, definitely |
| 18:01.43 | Sendoushi | and since i don't really have experience with any... |
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| 18:02.35 | hrnz | gdm seems to be a good choice when you have the dependencies anyway |
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| 18:04.13 | Sendoushi | hm that is the one default with debian xfce and such right? |
| 18:04.34 | Sendoushi | i kind of like lightweight stuff |
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| 18:06.11 | hrnz | systemd-logind is lightweight :P |
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| 18:06.40 | Sendoushi | hm |
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| 18:07.04 | throwthecheese | I need something like LaunchPad for Debian packages that does not invade my privacy |
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| 18:09.37 | kafka | is there an easy way to revert deletion of files? |
| 18:09.43 | kafka | i accidently deleted something now |
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| 18:13.29 | jelly-home | kafka: no, it's not easy (and not definitive) |
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| 18:13.38 | itt788 | what's the 'A' next to the package status letter in aptitude? |
| 18:14.13 | jelly-home | itt788: Automatically installed (pulled in as a dependency) flag |
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| 18:16.16 | kafka | can you propose a way to undeelte? |
| 18:16.18 | kafka | undelete |
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| 18:24.18 | babilen | kafka: Look into ext3undelete, but you will, almost certainly, not be able to recover. The most important bit is to stop using the filesystem in question *immediately* and work on an image or from a live cd |
| 18:25.31 | Sendoushi | which is more lightweight? gdm or lightdm? |
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| 18:31.09 | Sak | kafka> Otherwise if ext3undelete don't work, you can try foremost |
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| 18:32.08 | someHuman | hello! |
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| 18:32.31 | someHuman | I'm trying to download Debian via jigdo but I seem to can't. |
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| 18:33.02 | someHuman | I followed the instructions right and I end up being shown repetitive attempts to connect to mirrors. |
| 18:33.42 | someHuman | Such as this one. |
| 18:33.47 | someHuman | https://mediacru.sh/_vJt8nJHEQR8 |
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| 18:42.41 | jaggz-d | in kde, how do you set the size where the mouse can grab the edge of a window to resize it? |
| 18:45.53 | Sendoushi | how can one, on grub loader, make it use the old text one instead of the one with debian image and such? and by the way... how to make it not show since i only have one os? |
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| 18:48.21 | andril | hello |
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| 18:49.54 | throwthecheese | Where can I host an APT repository for free? |
| 18:50.13 | jelly-home | kafka: next time you delete something and realize it, unplug the machine's power (and battery) as quickly as you can. Do not wait, do not shut it down cleanly. |
| 18:50.47 | andril | anyway to upgrade to Gnome 3.14? |
| 18:50.57 | jelly-home | kafka: by the time you manage to ask about undelete on irc, it's too late |
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| 18:51.27 | andril | mine shows Gnome 3.4.2 |
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| 18:55.53 | ctmjr | Sendoushi, set the grub time out to 0 in /etc/default/grub, and you will not see the boot menu the downsize of this is you will not see the boot menu |
| 18:56.24 | Sendoushi | :) thanks |
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| 18:57.16 | jhutchins | Sendoushi: Actually, that's not a good idea. If you have a problem with the main configuration of the OS you loose the ability to boot to rescue mode, |
| 18:57.44 | Sendoushi | isn't there a way to command line when there is a problem with the os? |
| 18:57.46 | jhutchins | Sendoushi: I think ubuntu hides the boot menu by default, you might look at how the3y do it. |
| 18:57.52 | Sendoushi | like the windows F8 ? |
| 18:57.59 | jhutchins | Sendoushi: Sure - as long as you have the boot menu. |
| 18:58.38 | Sendoushi | hm |
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| 18:59.29 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.39 | Sendoushi | yes i'll try it |
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| 19:02.39 | throwthecheese | My server-to-be allows PHP and MySQL. Can I host an APT repository there? |
| 19:03.11 | jhutchins | !mirrors |
| 19:03.11 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:03.55 | jhutchins | throwthecheese: I don't think the repository configuration requires either PHP or MySQL. |
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| 19:07.33 | throwthecheese | The webhost for my server-to-be mentions only PHP and MySQL on the informatin page |
| 19:07.42 | throwthecheese | *information |
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| 19:10.39 | throwthecheese | What scripting engines are needed for an APT repository? |
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| 19:17.55 | trewas | throwthecheese: none, they are just plain old static files served over http or ftp |
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| 19:18.14 | throwthecheese | trewas TY! |
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| 19:23.41 | ctmjr | was not aware you "HAD" to have a recover option in the boot menu to recover a broken system |
| 19:24.03 | someHuman | Fastest way to get Debian? |
| 19:24.24 | Platonides | to have it already installed? :) |
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| 19:24.40 | someHuman | Platonides: ? |
| 19:24.47 | someHuman | I have to download it yet. |
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| 19:24.55 | jelly-home | !tell someHuman about firmware images |
| 19:24.57 | someHuman | I want KDE version. |
| 19:25.04 | Platonides | grab an image from https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 19:25.28 | jelly-home | someHuman: will you have a wired internet connection at the time of installation? |
| 19:25.49 | someHuman | jelly-home: Is that a question? |
| 19:25.53 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 19:26.45 | someHuman | Ah sorry I misread it. |
| 19:26.49 | someHuman | Yes I have. |
| 19:27.10 | jelly-home | then the normal netinst image might work. |
| 19:27.39 | jelly-home | you'll have to choose KDE as it's not default, |
| 19:27.42 | jelly-home | !install kde |
| 19:27.42 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 19:28.06 | jelly-home | the bit with: To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 19:29.10 | jelly-home | firmware images (dpkg bot told you about them in a private messages) are better for wireless because wireless drivers usually require non-free firmware |
| 19:29.54 | ROG3R | trim works fine on my host debian. but wen i tried to trim on my virtual linux it said trim not supported. why |
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| 19:30.30 | Platonides | trim is a disk feature |
| 19:30.45 | Platonides | probably not supported by the (emulated) drive of your virtual linux |
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| 19:31.14 | ROG3R | Platonides: i see |
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| 19:32.24 | someHuman | OK |
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| 19:38.27 | Platonides | anyone knows how to list files for addition to initrd? |
| 19:38.52 | Platonides | (not manually, but having update-initramfs do it) |
| 19:39.09 | Platonides | er... yes, it's an initramfs, not initrd :P |
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| 19:46.35 | pppd | hi |
| 19:46.41 | pppd | So I used the debian setup to install a debian system... |
| 19:46.52 | pppd | Can I find out what mkfs commands were used during that setup? |
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| 19:51.18 | enitiz | hello |
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| 20:03.06 | someHuman | jelly-home: Do I then burn the iso to a stick then reboot? |
| 20:03.17 | someHuman | How long do you take will it take for this? |
| 20:05.20 | jelly-home | someHuman: something like that. Which OS are you using to write to the usb stick? |
| 20:05.39 | someHuman | jelly-home: Trisquel 7 |
| 20:05.47 | jelly-home | linux? |
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| 20:06.10 | someHuman | jelly-home: Yup: http://trisquel.info |
| 20:06.20 | someHuman | jelly-home: trisquel.info * |
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| 20:06.32 | jelly-home | someHuman: just cp the .iso onto the usb device |
| 20:06.38 | someHuman | really? |
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| 20:07.27 | jelly-home | someHuman: yes. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 20:08.26 | jelly-home | (copy it onto the device node, overwriting everything that was on the stick before) |
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| 20:10.15 | someHuman | Ok? |
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| 20:12.16 | someHuman | jelly-home: I think I'll just burn it the traditional way. |
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| 20:12.29 | someHuman | I don't have time to read docs, got stuff to do. |
| 20:12.56 | mtn | haha |
| 20:13.00 | someHuman | mtn: ? |
| 20:13.11 | someHuman | mtn: I'm also a noob so :D |
| 20:13.43 | mtn | someHuman: no time to read simple docs? just do it any old whichway will save you time? haha |
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| 20:13.55 | jelly-home | I don't think much about people that come in with questions wasting volunteer time, then proceed to say they themselves don't have time to read a few sentences from the install guide |
| 20:14.12 | someHuman | mtn: Dude I have uni stuff to do, I don't pass this coursework I retake the module next year. |
| 20:14.34 | someHuman | jelly-home: I'll bookmark it ;) |
| 20:14.51 | someHuman | Bookmarked it ; |
| 20:14.51 | mtn | someHuman: dude. I don't really care |
| 20:14.52 | someHuman | ;) |
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| 20:15.26 | jelly-home | it's just a reference on cp usage instead of dd, you could've read it three times already |
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| 20:19.26 | Rovanion | Hi, I'm having quite the problem with applications locking up when accessing a sshfs after having awoken my laptop from suspension. I can't kill these applications, even with -9. |
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| 20:20.11 | jelly-home | Rovanion: find and kill the sshfs process and its underlying ssh process first |
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| 20:21.16 | jelly-home | Rovanion: you'll have to clean up the sshfs mount point with fusermount -u /path/to/mountpoint afterwards |
| 20:21.22 | Rovanion | But those are owned by root, of course I could escalate and kill them but they're spawned by fstab so it feels sort of bad. |
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| 20:22.50 | jelly-home | it will release the processes hanging on the mountpoint, and that sshfs is not recoverable anyway |
| 20:22.57 | jelly-home | you'll have to mount it again |
| 20:23.06 | jelly-home | (after killing and cleanup) |
| 20:23.49 | Rovanion | Okey. Is there nothing I can do to make sshfs recover graciously by itself? |
| 20:24.11 | jelly-home | no, sshfs is a hack |
| 20:24.37 | jelly-home | you can try using sshfs -o reconnect, but that often fails to work |
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| 20:25.08 | Rovanion | Is there anything I could use instead? Can I expose nfs shares to the internet or is that unsafe? |
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| 20:26.16 | jelly-home | if reconnect option fails for you, best thing to do is umount sshfs before putting the machine to sleep, and remount it back after resume |
| 20:26.46 | Rovanion | Is there some sort of suspend-hook I could attach a script to? |
| 20:27.05 | Rovanion | Or perhaps a folder with scripts run before suspend? |
| 20:27.09 | jelly-home | yes, but I don't know the right place |
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| 20:29.56 | jelly-home | (nfs is best used over vpn, not on the internet, and has similar issues with hanging) |
| 20:30.07 | Rovanion | Looks like there is a folder /etc/pm/sleep.d/ in which all scripts are called with appropriate action on suspend and after resume. |
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| 20:30.56 | Rovanion | Is resuming network connections after suspension a really hard problem? Seems like my mosh-connection always works right after suspend. |
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| 20:33.41 | jelly-home | mosh, yes, but ssh, no |
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| 20:35.19 | pppd | hm, is mosh as stable, secure and proven as ssh server from e.g openssh? |
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| 20:37.55 | pppd | I got this entry in /etc/fstab after the installation: /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation |
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| 20:38.08 | pppd | so this is just from debian setup a hint where the boot partition is now? |
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| 20:40.45 | jolt | pppd: it uses ssh for authentication, then its just the communication that is udp-based after that. You also need the necessary ports open on the server for the udp-part |
| 20:41.10 | wyre | hi guys! i had a problem with dualboot |
| 20:41.33 | wyre | i was formated accidentally my W7 boot partition (100mb) |
| 20:41.38 | pppd | oh god |
| 20:41.42 | wyre | and ... i think that i can restore it |
| 20:41.42 | pppd | data lost? |
| 20:41.47 | wyre | but ... i need to restore grub |
| 20:41.59 | pppd | the question is how much physical data was destroyed |
| 20:42.00 | wyre | and ... the restored partition has other identifier, no? |
| 20:42.06 | wyre | i shoudl regenreate fstab? |
| 20:42.10 | wyre | nothing |
| 20:42.15 | wyre | pp |
| 20:42.17 | pppd | 100 MB, let's hope those wasn't written onto your personal files |
| 20:42.17 | wyre | no no |
| 20:42.24 | wyre | i only deleted boot partition |
| 20:42.29 | wyre | W7 boot partition |
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| 20:42.38 | Rovanion | The windows install disk should be able to rewrite the boot partition. |
| 20:42.43 | wyre | no no pppd isn't personal files! |
| 20:42.47 | Rovanion | After that I would reinstall grub. |
| 20:42.47 | wyre | only a boot partition |
| 20:43.03 | pppd | ok |
| 20:43.10 | wyre | ok, Rovanion i have done this xD |
| 20:43.18 | wyre | but update-grub don't detect nothing |
| 20:43.26 | wyre | i think that i should regenerate fstab |
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| 20:43.29 | wyre | or sometihg |
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| 20:43.56 | wyre | because after formated ... the partition identifier could changes no? |
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| 20:45.03 | wyre | any idea? :S |
| 20:45.44 | pingfloyd | wyre: that's the windows reserved partition, have you try running the recovery environment? |
| 20:46.11 | wyre | yes pingfloyd :D |
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| 20:46.17 | wyre | i have done this :P |
| 20:46.24 | wyre | and i guess that boot partition has been restore |
| 20:46.27 | pingfloyd | wyre: you booted the installation media and chose repair? |
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| 20:46.41 | wyre | but ... i need restore partition table or something to update-grub take it |
| 20:46.42 | pingfloyd | the windows media |
| 20:46.44 | wyre | yes :D |
| 20:46.47 | wyre | CDROM |
| 20:47.10 | wyre | and it says that all done :D |
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| 20:47.22 | wyre | yes, the windows CDROM media :D |
| 20:47.28 | pingfloyd | you may need to run grub-install and update-grub to get it boot with grub again now |
| 20:47.46 | mtn | wyre: just run update-grub in debian |
| 20:48.00 | wyre | not works .. :S |
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| 20:48.44 | pingfloyd | wyre: does windows boot now? |
| 20:48.48 | mtn | wyre: "not works"? what the heck does that mean? |
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| 20:49.51 | wyre | http://postimg.org/image/rt8euhhyf/ |
| 20:49.52 | pingfloyd | wyre: to fix your debian's booting, you'll need to boot from a live environment and run grub-install if the boot manager overwrote the mbr and update-grub to update the grub entries to give you the boot options |
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| 20:50.35 | El98 | hey, can someone tell me how to solve this? http://i.imgur.com/9c9EjDWl.jpg |
| 20:50.41 | mtn | wyre: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 20:51.05 | pingfloyd | wyre: I'm not sure what you screenshot says, but it looks like maybe update-grub ran successfully |
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| 20:53.22 | wyre | pingfloyd, i havent w7 entry :S |
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| 20:58.40 | JImboBaggins | I like debian |
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| 21:06.39 | pppd | me, too. |
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| 21:06.47 | pppd | How can I get a list of current partitions? |
| 21:07.47 | jelly-home | pppd: there are many way, one is "lsblk" command |
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| 21:08.46 | iu2 | gracias, many thank room |
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| 21:12.14 | pppd | using cfdisk, what number is for FS ext4? |
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| 21:14.18 | Platonides | ext4 is usually in a partition of type Linux (0x83) |
| 21:15.26 | pppd | good |
| 21:15.29 | pppd | that's very good |
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| 21:16.47 | pppd | after using cfdisk, do I have to use mkfs to format it with a filesystem? |
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| 21:16.52 | Platonides | yes |
| 21:17.23 | pppd | I have to use cfdisk, can I also set up the second partition lvm-ready? |
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| 21:18.44 | pppd | aha, type LVM |
| 21:18.46 | bogus- | pppd: did you do some reading before doing this? |
| 21:18.49 | pppd | yes |
| 21:19.00 | pppd | I just want to re-assure before having to start over again. |
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| 21:22.01 | pingfloyd | if you're going to use lvm, you need to create your pv,vg,and lvs before you run mkfs on them |
| 21:22.44 | pppd | so I need the lvm commands? |
| 21:22.45 | pingfloyd | your filesystems go on top of your LVs not the other way around |
| 21:22.46 | pppd | damn |
| 21:22.49 | pppd | they are not available on the rescue system |
| 21:23.16 | pingfloyd | pppd: there's all sorts like pvcreate lvcreate and so on |
| 21:23.28 | pingfloyd | pppd: you need to do some reading up on LVM if you're going to use it |
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| 21:25.10 | pppd | OK, so that rescue system doesn't provide any lvm commands nor the kernel module. |
| 21:25.15 | pppd | So can I set up LVM later then |
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| 21:26.26 | drumr | is there a way i can install a new desktop and then uninstall the default desktop without it borking my startup |
| 21:26.31 | pppd | OK, so I create physical boot and rootfs partitions |
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| 21:38.35 | pppd | On legacy table one can have up to 4 primary partitions, right? :D |
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| 21:39.07 | pppd | Any downsides using 3 primary partitions? But there is no reason for why one should use logical partitions when no limit is reached, right? |
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| 21:40.11 | pingfloyd | pppd: you can have 3 pri and 1 extended or 4 primary |
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| 21:40.21 | jeezy | i dont use logical partitions unless needed |
| 21:40.30 | pingfloyd | the extended can have multiple logical partitions |
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| 21:42.28 | pppd | so extended is just for extending the number of logical partitions, this has nothing to do with space, right? |
| 21:42.41 | pingfloyd | pppd: this is the mbr partition table |
| 21:42.59 | pingfloyd | pppd: extended is a container for logical partitions |
| 21:43.20 | pingfloyd | whatever you allocate to extended, can be allocated to logical partitions |
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| 21:44.17 | pingfloyd | pppd: understand logical partitions aren't the same thing as logical volumes |
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| 21:45.14 | pingfloyd | pppd: lvm is a storage abstraction layer between partitions and filesystems |
| 21:45.27 | pppd | ah |
| 21:45.31 | pppd | yes |
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| 21:45.39 | pingfloyd | make more sense now? |
| 21:46.08 | pingfloyd | lvm is something you can optionally use if you want the management features it provides |
| 21:46.29 | pingfloyd | for your personal computer it usually isn't needed |
| 21:46.59 | pingfloyd | since online resizing isn't usually that important there, it's more for servers where you want to keep things online as much as possible. |
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| 21:47.27 | pppd | yes, I want to set up a server |
| 21:47.36 | pppd | it is a vhost instance and I _have_ to use that dreaded rescue system |
| 21:47.42 | pppd | it provided disk partitioning tools and such |
| 21:47.45 | pppd | but no lvm tools |
| 21:47.46 | pingfloyd | lvm is pretty handy if you use luks though, because then you can have the entire system use one key |
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| 21:48.09 | pingfloyd | pppd: if you want online resizing, then you'll want lvm then |
| 21:48.19 | pppd | right |
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| 21:48.33 | pppd | I had to resize once (on another server where I was able to install using debian installer) and LVM was really really handy. |
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| 21:48.57 | pingfloyd | pppd: yeah, it's almost a must have for a production server |
| 21:49.30 | pingfloyd | unless you plan on never needing to change storage allocation |
| 21:49.34 | pppd | right |
| 21:49.55 | pppd | So as that rescue system got no LVM tools, I can still set LVM up on the installed running system later (phew). |
| 21:50.02 | pingfloyd | of course you might just use it for certain volumes |
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| 21:50.23 | woshty | I have never had any issues resizing a partition .. something else with filesystems. |
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| 21:51.06 | jelly-home | woshty: lvm enables online growing, without reboot |
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| 21:51.17 | pingfloyd | woshty: it's not usually an issue, but without lvm requires taking things offline |
| 21:51.22 | jelly-home | without downtime |
| 21:51.40 | pingfloyd | that's why I say it is rather optional with your personal computer |
| 21:51.54 | pppd | OK, so the workaround would be to create a physical disk for / (root) so the new system can run without LVM. |
| 21:52.00 | pingfloyd | it's not a big deal to take my personal computer offline |
| 21:52.04 | pppd | Then I create a new LVM group on the new running system for / (root). |
| 21:52.10 | pppd | and one for the data partition. |
| 21:52.17 | pingfloyd | I prefer the lesser complexity in that situation |
| 21:52.18 | pppd | Then I got two LVM groups again. |
| 21:52.45 | jelly-home | you got the terminology wrong, but that doesn't matter |
| 21:52.46 | pingfloyd | value it more than availability in that scenario |
| 21:53.05 | pingfloyd | so lvm is more of a question of how important availability is |
| 21:53.31 | jelly-home | also, asking about the same thing in multiple channels at the same time is not nice, only people present in both ##linux and #debian see all the suggestions |
| 21:53.52 | pppd | oh! |
| 21:54.00 | pppd | ##linux |
| 21:54.07 | pingfloyd | pppd: if you're building a server, the planning phase it the most important |
| 21:54.26 | pingfloyd | pppd: you should decide what kind of a layout you want first and then set it up |
| 21:54.57 | pppd | I set up the server locally using puppet. |
| 21:55.04 | pppd | But formatting the server locally was done using Debian setup. |
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| 21:55.11 | pppd | It was very easy using Debian setup. |
| 21:55.19 | pppd | But it seems to be hard with that rescue thing. |
| 21:56.09 | pingfloyd | what rescue thing? |
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| 21:56.26 | jelly-home | some random rescue image by some provider |
| 21:56.35 | pingfloyd | you could always just use a live image |
| 21:57.21 | pppd | pingfloyd: can I chainload it? |
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| 21:57.57 | pingfloyd | pppd: yeah, but why would you want to? |
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| 21:58.16 | pingfloyd | pppd: usually when you're booting a live image, you want the filesystems offline |
| 21:58.20 | pingfloyd | so you can work on them |
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| 21:58.54 | pppd | right |
| 21:58.55 | pingfloyd | for some fixes/operations, you may need to setup a chroot when booted off the live image |
| 21:59.07 | pppd | so that rescue system is in ram apparently, the disk is not mounted currently |
| 21:59.12 | pppd | I can manipulate it using cfdisk and fdisk. |
| 21:59.19 | pppd | But there are no lvm tools... :( |
| 21:59.34 | pingfloyd | I find it easier to use the live image of whatever distro I have installed |
| 21:59.42 | pingfloyd | for debian you could use the live debian cd |
| 22:00.01 | pppd | hm, I got only this ssh access, no vnc or such |
| 22:00.12 | pingfloyd | well that's different then |
| 22:00.16 | pppd | right |
| 22:00.19 | pingfloyd | is this a vps? |
| 22:00.24 | pppd | kinda, yes |
| 22:00.25 | pppd | yes |
| 22:00.32 | pingfloyd | then you have to deal with the hoops they make you jump through |
| 22:00.37 | pppd | right |
| 22:00.42 | pppd | there is also a resize2fs command |
| 22:00.44 | pppd | but no lvm |
| 22:00.46 | pppd | damn |
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| 22:02.00 | jelly-home | pppd: how much free RAM do you have |
| 22:02.01 | pingfloyd | pppd: call them and ask why they don't have lvm in their rescue procedure |
| 22:02.23 | pppd | pingfloyd: I would, but they aren't there and I need to finish it soon. |
| 22:02.52 | pingfloyd | pppd: they don't have support on the weekends? |
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| 22:03.20 | pppd | not really |
| 22:03.22 | pppd | Mem: 5971 |
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| 22:03.26 | pppd | 6 GB I guess? |
| 22:03.52 | reynulds | 6GB *lucky guy* |
| 22:04.12 | pppd | oh |
| 22:04.21 | pppd | so I can run some nice tool? |
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| 22:06.31 | pppd | reynulds: ^ |
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| 22:07.04 | hecatae | got bored and installed sid |
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| 22:08.30 | pppd | nice challenge: Give someone access to a crippled rescue system and let him do stuff what is normally not possible on it. |
| 22:08.39 | pppd | I could even try to bootstrap some binaries by hand using an editor. |
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| 22:08.44 | pppd | Luckily, wget is already there. |
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| 22:12.56 | jelly-home | pppd: you can debootstrap a debian chroot and install whatever you want in it |
| 22:13.09 | jelly-home | !tell pppd about debootstrap |
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| 22:14.02 | jelly-home | (including, for example, lvm2 package) |
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| 22:14.48 | pppd | jelly-home: it needs dpkg or apt? because the rescue thing doesn't offer these tools (except wget). |
| 22:14.53 | pppd | otherwise it would be amazing |
| 22:15.39 | jelly-home | the point of debootstrap is you're supposed to be able to use it on any linux, including non-debian ones |
| 22:16.30 | pingfloyd | pppd: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 22:16.47 | pingfloyd | pppd: one way to find out if it will work or not for sure |
| 22:16.52 | pppd | cool |
| 22:17.20 | pppd | only limit would be the available disk space (I guess ramdisk) of the rescue system though. |
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| 22:18.16 | pppd | Any good mirror from which I can pull the debootstrap binary? |
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| 22:19.27 | pingfloyd | pppd: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debootstrap |
| 22:19.48 | jelly-home | it doesn't matter for a 100kb tarball |
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| 22:20.15 | jelly-home | pppd: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.66.tar.gz |
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| 22:20.43 | pppd | jelly-home: do I have to build it? |
| 22:20.55 | jelly-home | it's a shell script. |
| 22:21.00 | pppd | cool |
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| 22:21.35 | pppd | hurra |
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| 22:22.02 | pppd | ./debootstrap: line 23: /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
| 22:22.05 | pppd | hm, it expects some paths |
| 22:22.11 | pppd | I could make a fake /usr |
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| 22:24.00 | pppd | jelly-home: E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from the base-installer source package |
| 22:24.33 | pppd | jelly-home: damn, perl is missing |
| 22:24.49 | pppd | is there a standalone perl to wget or some bootstrapping possible? |
| 22:24.59 | jelly-home | pfft |
| 22:25.03 | jelly-home | forget it then |
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| 22:25.28 | jelly-home | or build a debian chroot elsewhere and pull the complete thing in via ssh or nc |
| 22:25.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey jelly-home |
| 22:25.45 | pppd | nice idea |
| 22:25.53 | pppd | jelly-home: are there some chroots for download? |
| 22:25.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got an I5 intel box do i use the amd64bit jessie corrrect? |
| 22:26.06 | pppd | jelly-home: debian squezee should be compatible with that kernel (I hope) |
| 22:26.09 | jelly-home | pppd: I'd just give it up and use normal partitions for the time being, maybe leave disk space unallocated for future conversion |
| 22:26.14 | pppd | hm |
| 22:26.35 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: correct |
| 22:26.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool ty jelly |
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| 22:26.50 | pppd | jelly-home: but just being curious, are there prepacked official chroots available? |
| 22:26.52 | pppd | as tar.gz? |
| 22:26.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | now go find your peanut butter |
| 22:26.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | LOL |
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| 22:27.30 | jelly-home | pppd: hm, not that I know of |
| 22:27.54 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: I'm out of. |
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| 22:29.45 | mRMans | Hello there I am trying to set up a builder server (reprepro wannabuild sbuilder ) I am having issues with sbuilder. Each time that I try to sbuild-createchroot I getr back a gpg error. example. E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 8B48AD6246925553) I tried to add the key to the system but it is still not working :( any tips ? |
| 22:30.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | awww |
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| 22:31.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | go to the store then... |
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| 22:34.43 | mRMans | Wait I think it is because it is a ubuntu server and something is funky with it not allowing debian stuff to come in. |
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| 22:38.02 | jaggied | what's the minimum required to generate linux/include/version.h ? |
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| 22:38.20 | dvs | ??? |
| 22:38.34 | jaggied | I'm installing (which compiles) the nvidia official drivers, and it wants the kernel source, headers, and specifically requests version.h (and one other) |
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| 22:39.28 | dvs | jaggied: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:39.34 | pppd | tar -Jvxf |
| 22:39.42 | pppd | I try to extract a tar.xz file |
| 22:39.45 | pppd | tar: invalid option -- J |
| 22:39.47 | pppd | damn |
| 22:39.49 | jelly-home | jaggied: it's not a good idea to use nvidia's installer on debian, it clashes with the package management system |
| 22:41.19 | pppd | jelly-home: So I found a chroot and wgetted it, but it is a tar.xz |
| 22:41.22 | pppd | how can I extract it? |
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| 22:42.23 | jaggied | jelly-home: I'll install it with checkinstall |
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| 22:42.38 | jaggied | the existing nvidia drivers don't seem to support the 970 |
| 22:42.52 | jaggied | if you know of a cleaner option I'm open to it :) |
| 22:43.04 | jaggied | pppd, lowercase j? |
| 22:44.19 | pppd | jaggied: tar is too old :( |
| 22:45.12 | pppd | damn damn damn |
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| 22:51.21 | pppd | how to extract that xz file using an old version of tar... |
| 22:51.43 | dvs | use xz then usr tar? |
| 22:51.59 | dvs | s/usr/use |
| 22:52.29 | pppd | xz command? |
| 22:52.36 | mRMans | xz -d |
| 22:52.44 | pppd | xz command not available in that damn rescue shell thing :( |
| 22:53.41 | pppd | damn |
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| 22:54.15 | aypea[1] | pppd: why do you need a rescue shell to install gfx drivers? |
| 22:54.22 | pppd | aypea[1]: no :) |
| 22:54.35 | pppd | aypea[1]: tar.xz is the format of that chroot I want to unpack and use |
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| 22:55.06 | aypea[1] | pppd: i got threads of convo mixed up :) |
| 22:55.18 | aypea[1] | I think. :) |
| 22:55.18 | El98 | anyone can tell me how to solve this? http://i.imgur.com/9c9EjDWl.jpg |
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| 22:57.49 | pppd | damn |
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| 22:58.09 | over9ooo | Hey whats the command to install spotify |
| 22:58.19 | over9ooo | actually i added the repository |
| 22:58.39 | dvs | ,v spotify |
| 22:58.40 | judd | No package named 'spotify' was found in i386. |
| 22:59.25 | over9ooo | sorry noob here |
| 22:59.42 | over9ooo | but whats the command after "su" to access repository list |
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| 23:00.10 | reynulds_ | over9ooo: linus himself will come to your house and take back your linux if you install spotify on a debian linux computer |
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| 23:00.54 | over9ooo | I'm guessing spotify isn't on debian yet |
| 23:01.01 | dvs | nope |
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| 23:01.58 | over9ooo | what about inkscape |
| 23:02.43 | dvs | ,v inkscape |
| 23:02.44 | judd | Package: inkscape on i386 -- squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1; wheezy: 0.48.3.1-1.3; jessie: 0.48.5-3; sid: 0.48.5-3; experimental: 0.91~pre2-1+b1 |
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| 23:03.45 | over9ooo | can I just sudo apt-get install it |
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| 23:04.12 | over9ooo | im on #! |
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| 23:06.04 | reynulds_ | /3/2 |
| 23:07.28 | pppd | Is there a http/ftp mirror for a static tar binary, xz compatible? |
| 23:07.30 | pppd | anyone? |
| 23:09.12 | over9ooo | xz compatible? |
| 23:09.21 | pppd | yes |
| 23:09.25 | pppd | to extract tar.xz |
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| 23:10.00 | over9ooo | <newbie but, Ill try to help |
| 23:10.33 | over9ooo | compiling? |
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| 23:11.23 | pppd | I have to download them from someweher |
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| 23:12.15 | over9ooo | pppd sorry no clue :/ |
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| 23:13.09 | pppd | hm |
| 23:13.54 | over9ooo | @pppd are you a programmer? |
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| 23:20.41 | pppd | yes |
| 23:20.46 | pppd | sysadmin |
| 23:20.49 | pppd | lkinda |
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| 23:51.10 | thoonai | hy |
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| 23:52.50 | thoonai | I'm trying to wget --mirror a webpage but one connection is too slow so I thought about using multiple instances of wget which let to the fact that every instance of wget downloads the same file and replace the actual one |
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| 23:53.29 | thoonai | is there a way to mirror a website multithreaded? |
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| 23:54.44 | dondelelcaro | thoonai: yes, but it's generally not a great thing to do. |
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| 23:58.06 | thoonai | dondelelcaro: why and may you give me a hint? |
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| 23:59.49 | pppd | jelly-home: hahaha! I got a chroot into that rescue system. |
| 23:59.50 | pppd | hurra |
