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| 00:02.37 | liqu|d | hey so i cant access the usb during install it just skips it now and when it tries to connect to the ssid it fails and says the handshake fails |
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| 00:03.26 | squisher | liqu|d, without the firmware it can't work |
| 00:03.39 | liqu|d | it wont let me install it :( |
| 00:03.45 | squisher | there is an alternative firmware iso that already includes the firmware |
| 00:03.49 | maxd | alright |
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| 00:03.57 | squisher | s/firmware/installer/ |
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| 00:04.04 | squisher | I always forget where to find it... |
| 00:04.08 | maxd | tpo / cafuego: Found the reason, gpg should go over proxy, something went wrong. |
| 00:04.18 | liqu|d | im trying to get it on my usb so i can install :( |
| 00:04.25 | maxd | Instead telling me there was a connection problem it pretends not being able to find the keys. |
| 00:04.39 | squisher | liqu|d, I'd just use these here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 00:05.03 | Brigo | liqu|d, Deja_de_darme_el_coñado_de_una_vez |
| 00:05.08 | Brigo | ups sorry |
| 00:05.12 | Brigo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 00:05.14 | Brigo | that is :) |
| 00:05.27 | liqu|d | so what do i click? |
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| 00:06.13 | Brigo | oh! there is already Jessie beta2 ! |
| 00:06.25 | Brigo | liqu|d, 7.7.0 |
| 00:06.39 | liqu|d | iso cd? |
| 00:07.33 | Brigo | it si hybrid, you can use it for cd and usb |
| 00:07.38 | Brigo | is* |
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| 00:08.26 | liqu|d | i have a i core 7 that used 64bit can i do amd64? |
| 00:08.41 | liqu|d | or stick with i386 |
| 00:09.37 | cafuego | liqu|d: amd64 |
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| 00:09.59 | cafuego | Don't use i386, that's for 1990s technology. |
| 00:10.34 | liqu|d | why cant i just shove the files onto my usb like it said before |
| 00:10.48 | ribasushi | duh, I didn't realize the *upstream* linux source builds deb packages now |
| 00:10.49 | ribasushi | cool ;) |
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| 00:13.13 | liqu|d | brb gonna try something |
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| 00:13.50 | cafuego | liqu|d: You should be able to ust shove files onto your usb stick |
| 00:14.13 | osmanlicilegi_ | is away: I'm busy |
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| 00:22.20 | WangDang | mns: try cheese |
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| 00:24.16 | liqu|d | so im able to see where it says to find that stupid bin file but it cant read it from my usb |
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| 00:27.23 | civillian | liqu|d: it will try looking in /lib/firmware by default, try putting it there |
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| 00:29.28 | eristisk | I notcied that "which cd" returns nothing. Where is the 'cd' binary stored on the system? I need to specify an absolute path to it, but.. |
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| 00:30.09 | aspect | cd cannot work via exec(). What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:31.26 | WangDang | eristisk: cd is built into bash |
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| 00:33.15 | eristisk | WangDang: same with source? |
| 00:33.19 | pablo | hello guys, I am doing some cleanup on my system. how do I know if the user uuidd is needed on my system or if I can remove it? how do I know which package creatd it? |
| 00:33.32 | pablo | s/creatd/created/ |
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| 00:34.16 | WangDang | eristisk: yup |
| 00:34.17 | eristisk | aspect: I am trying to automate spinning a VM with Puppet where I need to run commands inside a git repo I cloned, something like "cd /mediagoblin && /usr/bin/git submodule init && /usr/bin/git submodule update" |
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| 00:34.20 | ungguy | uuidd is a daemon |
| 00:34.35 | ungguy | for disks id? |
| 00:36.09 | ungguy | iirc user id below 1000 are system id? |
| 00:36.13 | bazhang | ungguy, try blkid, you may need to be root for that |
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| 00:38.12 | ungguy | bazhang: ?? those are for pablo trying to get rid of user uuidd |
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| 00:40.33 | bazhang | get rid of? whatever for |
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| 00:49.55 | EdePopede | is sqlite support for php activated in wheezy or is there a special package i have to install? phpinfo.php shows me "PDO drivers: mysql " and in /etc/php5/cgi/conf.d i have mysql, but not sqlite. |
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| 00:52.41 | aypea[1] | ede: apt-cache search php sqlite |
| 00:54.23 | EdePopede | php5-sqlite looks good. not installed, hm. will change that, thanks |
| 00:54.32 | aypea[1] | no worries :) |
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| 00:58.36 | EdePopede | oh, another thing (i'm about to install mediawiki now). it seems i don't have PECL, no idea if i'd really need it, but it is a warning during installing process. apt-cache search php intl, right? |
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| 00:59.00 | aypea[1] | i'd go with it if it whinges :) |
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| 01:00.28 | EdePopede | if it... WHAT? :D |
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| 01:00.50 | EdePopede | oh |
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| 01:00.56 | aypea[1] | complains like a 5 yr old who has just been denied a lolly they really want :) |
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| 01:06.56 | EdePopede | yeah, found in on mirriam-webster. should look for a search engine thingy there |
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| 01:07.25 | pi1 | I'm having trouble with file permissions. I'm trying to invoke transmission-cli (bittorrent) from a php page using exec(). The program is throwing an error(13304) which is a permisions error. I think the program is running as it returns errors if I don't provide the correct parameters. I believe transition does not have permission to write to the file system when it is wun frothe php file. any ideas would be |
| 01:07.27 | pi1 | welcome. |
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| 01:10.55 | infi | pil: it'll be exec()'ed as the webserver user unless wrapped in something that changes the uid/gid. may be able to get around this by clever crafting of group perms on the config/data file directories. |
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| 01:11.09 | infi | pil: but really, transmission has a web interface... |
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| 01:12.09 | infi | so, what are you *actually* trying to do? |
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| 01:18.21 | pingfloyd | Make sure the directory has the needed perms for the webserver user, but should be noted that user should have as limited access as limited access as possible. There is probably a more secure method to obtain the functionality you want. |
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| 01:19.50 | lyrias | can you help me with "wine" problem ? I install the wine and uninstall wine and now get nothing?! :( ..this is the log: http://paste.debian.net/137215/ |
| 01:20.10 | lyrias | i use debian "wheezy" |
| 01:20.47 | pingfloyd | What do you mean by get nothing? |
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| 01:22.24 | lyrias | i mean, winecfg "not found" ... wine64 works not |
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| 01:23.19 | lyrias | i can not uninstall with: apt-get purge wine, and i can not install wine again |
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| 01:24.19 | Pupuser | Hi, can anyone with expertise on Debian Installs please provide me with some advice |
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| 01:24.24 | pingfloyd | What error messages does it return? |
| 01:24.25 | Pupuser | ? |
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| 01:24.46 | bazhang | lyrias, why not in #winehq |
| 01:24.46 | lyrias | one mom |
| 01:25.10 | Pupuser | I would like to install and Run debian off a usb stick - is this possible? |
| 01:25.25 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: yes |
| 01:25.40 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: there is a, debian live cd image |
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| 01:26.38 | Pupuser | Can the live cd image have additional software installed on top of it though? |
| 01:27.20 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: if you make it persistent |
| 01:27.25 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: there's a wiki on it |
| 01:27.47 | Pupuser | Is it fairly easy to follow? |
| 01:27.57 | Pupuser | And could you please point me to it? |
| 01:28.04 | pingfloyd | You have to just make a few modifications |
| 01:28.41 | pingfloyd | Easy is relative. I thought it was easy. |
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| 01:29.02 | lyrias | http://paste.debian.net/137217/ |
| 01:29.37 | lyrias | no i use debian from the hdd |
| 01:29.55 | pingfloyd | http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html |
| 01:30.32 | pingfloyd | That may be an old version, so you should try to find it from the main page |
| 01:31.09 | pingfloyd | lyrias: then the usb should act as simple removable media |
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| 01:31.16 | Pupuser | Thankyou Pingfloyd |
| 01:31.19 | Pupuser | I will give this a read over |
| 01:32.15 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: I would check if there is a more up to date version of those docs |
| 01:32.50 | pingfloyd | But that doc is general gist either way |
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| 01:35.24 | lyrias | http://paste.debian.net/137218/ |
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| 01:41.59 | COOOOOOOL | is there a debian backup tool, like backup a webserver, file server, email server? like in windows then just reload the backup? |
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| 01:48.00 | Liqu|d | so i wasted two dvds trying to get this shit to install and still no go |
| 01:48.03 | EdePopede | that PECL module 'intl' that mediawiki would like to have, is it php5-intl? i'd give it a yes |
| 01:49.29 | Liqu|d | how can i get the rt2870.bin file to be readable on my usb so i can install this |
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| 01:51.50 | addaitech | just put it on a freshly formatted usb |
| 01:51.58 | addaitech | thats what i did for the realtek drivers on install |
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| 01:52.17 | Liqu|d | i did |
| 01:52.21 | Liqu|d | and it doesnt read it |
| 01:52.40 | Liqu|d | ext4 or what? |
| 01:52.53 | EdePopede | Liqu|d: you're on the shell or in a GUI file manager? |
| 01:53.04 | Liqu|d | gui install |
| 01:53.15 | EdePopede | is the file executable? |
| 01:53.26 | Liqu|d | it wont let me change that shit |
| 01:53.41 | EdePopede | i suppose it has a sh header including shebang and a zip after it |
| 01:53.46 | addaitech | let me see if i still have that usb stick laying around |
| 01:53.52 | addaitech | ill see what format i used |
| 01:54.00 | EdePopede | the stick is mounted readonly? |
| 01:54.03 | Liqu|d | as you can tell im getting pissed cause its bs |
| 01:54.09 | Liqu|d | idk EdePopede |
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| 01:54.18 | Liqu|d | it doesnt even read it during install |
| 01:54.37 | EdePopede | you could open a shell and try: . $PATHTOFILE/rt2870.bin |
| 01:54.43 | addaitech | used fat32 |
| 01:55.09 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: are you still trying to install Debian with your Asus Wifi USB stick ? |
| 01:55.21 | addaitech | firmware-ralink_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb was the drivers needed |
| 01:56.36 | pingfloyd | Liqu|d: is this for the installer? |
| 01:57.30 | pingfloyd | Liqu|d: for that you put it in firmware directory on the installer media and the installer should see it. |
| 01:57.33 | Liqu|d | ya SirLagz |
| 01:57.40 | Liqu|d | im trying to install it with it plugged in |
| 01:57.44 | Liqu|d | so i can access my wifi |
| 01:58.00 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: did you grab the full DVD or the netinstall DVD ? |
| 01:58.13 | pingfloyd | There should be a firmware directory on the installer media |
| 01:58.16 | SirLagz | well really, the netinstall is a CD. but nevermind me. |
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| 01:58.22 | Liqu|d | i have both |
| 01:58.33 | Liqu|d | i have the first cd but of i386 |
| 01:58.37 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: if you grabbed the full DVD, just ignore the message bout the firmware, install debian, then install the firmware after the system is running |
| 01:58.42 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: why i386 ? |
| 01:58.55 | Liqu|d | cause i forgot i had a 64bit processor lol |
| 01:58.58 | SirLagz | lol |
| 01:59.16 | SirLagz | I'd grab the first dvd of x64 and install that then |
| 01:59.17 | pingfloyd | Or use the non-free image |
| 01:59.24 | SirLagz | or that |
| 01:59.33 | Liqu|d | i have the non-free one for netinstall |
| 01:59.36 | Liqu|d | still cant install it |
| 02:00.03 | Liqu|d | let me boot up my netbook and connect here |
| 02:00.10 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: don't bother with the netinstall, you're just making things harder for yourself lol |
| 02:00.24 | Liqu|d | so just copy the rt2870.bin to the flash right? |
| 02:01.03 | Liqu|d | fat32 doesnt allow symbolic links |
| 02:01.12 | SirLagz | Liqu|d: I've never installed the firmware during the install, but addaitech seemed to indicate that he used the *.deb file |
| 02:01.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Liqu|d about firmware images |
| 02:01.28 | pingfloyd | The netinst will work counting on that you copy the right firmware blob to the right directory on it, but non-free image is the easier way. |
| 02:03.43 | pingfloyd | yes, there is an all pkg or individual pkg to choose from. The blobs have to be extracted to the firmware directory. |
| 02:04.41 | pingfloyd | I would extract them all unless you're right on space or know without a doubt which one your wifi nic needs |
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| 02:05.06 | pingfloyd | Tight* |
| 02:05.13 | Liqu|d | i right click the file and it wont change to executable |
| 02:05.18 | Liqu|d | i know which one i need :) |
| 02:05.20 | Liqu|d | i wrote it down :) |
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| 02:05.54 | pingfloyd | Liqu|d: did you extract the blob too? |
| 02:06.01 | Liqu|d | wtf is the blob? |
| 02:06.11 | Liqu|d | i got this: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink |
| 02:06.17 | Liqu|d | grabbed the .tar file |
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| 02:06.32 | pingfloyd | Iirc, it has to be the file and not the deb you put in /firmware |
| 02:06.51 | Liqu|d | you mean the .bin file |
| 02:06.59 | pingfloyd | Binary blob |
| 02:07.06 | Liqu|d | i dont see no blob |
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| 02:07.40 | pingfloyd | Usually .bin |
| 02:08.03 | pingfloyd | Doesn't have to be. It is simply a binary image |
| 02:08.13 | Liqu|d | nope nothin g here |
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| 02:08.43 | BaconBacon | pingfloyd: |
| 02:08.50 | BaconBacon | You have been around forever |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | Liqu|d: it's really much easier to use the firmware images |
| 02:09.19 | BaconBacon | You have been around forever? Like what do you do for a living? Where are you from? Married? Kids? |
| 02:09.22 | Liqu|d | ive tried and i get the same bs error |
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| 02:10.05 | Liqu|d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:11.15 | malice | Hello, does anybody know how can I get gv to open postscript file on the page I quit it? |
| 02:11.30 | malice | Or how can I save my position in a file and go back there next time I start up gv? |
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| 02:12.38 | abrotman | malice: I seriously doubt that app has any sort of bookmark/memory system |
| 02:12.54 | malice | Damn. Too bad. |
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| 02:15.30 | malice | Thanks anyway! |
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| 02:16.06 | m0de | gonna try installing again |
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| 02:16.54 | m0de | didnt even ask to locate the file |
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| 02:19.17 | m0de | keeps trying to connect |
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| 02:21.59 | seeker63 | where does libflashplayer.so located? I have done a find ~/.mozilla libflashplayer.so and nothing is found |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | seeker63: /usr/lib/ |
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| 02:27.03 | seeker63 | thanks abrotman found it. |
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| 02:28.08 | liqu|d | im about to say fuck it and use windows till i have a good day off to fuck with this shit |
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| 02:31.31 | maxd_ | I also have issues with windows. |
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| 02:31.42 | maxd_ | and they also consumed pieces of my soul |
| 02:31.46 | maxd_ | so it isn't better |
| 02:32.10 | liqu|d | i cant even get this shit to install and i wiped my hdd already |
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| 02:34.52 | malice | installing Linux alongside windows? |
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| 02:36.44 | liqu|d | no |
| 02:36.49 | liqu|d | linux only |
| 02:37.11 | liqu|d | but debian is being a dick with my wifi adapter |
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| 02:37.21 | malice | which one? |
| 02:37.28 | liqu|d | asus n13 |
| 02:37.31 | liqu|d | usb one |
| 02:37.40 | malice | I have an usb adapter with realtek firmware |
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| 02:38.19 | liqu|d | i have the files but nothing is being read |
| 02:38.25 | malice | I agree, getting it to work can be a pain in the ass. Somehow it worked (almost) out of the box on my laptop, but had hard time getting it to work on my stationary |
| 02:38.45 | pingfloyd | there's images to make it easier |
| 02:38.55 | SirLagz | liqu|d: still trying ? |
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| 02:38.58 | liqu|d | ping i tried that shit |
| 02:38.58 | pingfloyd | I'll see if I can find you one |
| 02:39.03 | malice | I hope you fix it. Mine was kinda easy to fix, OS told me that it lacked certain drivers when it was booting |
| 02:39.11 | liqu|d | SirLagz: im installing it without my wireless |
| 02:39.15 | SirLagz | liqu|d: kk |
| 02:39.17 | malice | so I just checked that out and supplied proper file |
| 02:39.19 | malice | Good luck |
| 02:39.24 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: some chipsets are just problematic too |
| 02:39.38 | liqu|d | i have a dlink one too |
| 02:39.40 | SirLagz | I've always found the easiest way is to just install Debian first, then worry about firmware after the system is running |
| 02:39.49 | pingfloyd | not everyone wants to play ball with Linux |
| 02:39.52 | liqu|d | dwa-125 |
| 02:40.01 | SirLagz | of course, that doesn't work when the disk controller is missing drivers =/ |
| 02:40.26 | pingfloyd | SirLagz: that works great if you have wired means |
| 02:40.38 | pingfloyd | much easier that way |
| 02:40.54 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: even without wired network. I downloaded a couple of the ISOs, then installed firmware via ISO files |
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| 02:41.12 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: for amd64 arch? |
| 02:41.20 | SirLagz | great thing about debian, *everything* is on the ISOs lol |
| 02:41.31 | liqu|d | i have i386 i fucked up lol |
| 02:41.59 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: first thing to do is try the non-free live image to confirm how good or terrible that wireless chipset is going to work with debian |
| 02:42.06 | pingfloyd | then you can use that to install |
| 02:42.16 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: which arch do you need? |
| 02:42.22 | liqu|d | well i dont have a desktop now because i lost the only working thing |
| 02:42.32 | liqu|d | i have an i7 |
| 02:42.34 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:42.40 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: I've never had any issues with any of my Wireless devices. Guess i've just been lucky haha |
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| 02:43.01 | pingfloyd | SirLagz: I haven't either, but some chipsets are nothing but problems with linux |
| 02:43.08 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: true |
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| 02:43.22 | pingfloyd | SirLagz: the manufacturers that fix firmware/bios issues in Windows Drivers for examples |
| 02:43.33 | SirLagz | Trying some funky things with some of the Wireless devices have given me issues though |
| 02:43.34 | pingfloyd | instead of in the firmware like they should be doing |
| 02:43.40 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: heh true |
| 02:44.05 | pingfloyd | that's where people should boycott those manufacturers |
| 02:44.12 | pingfloyd | to send them the message |
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| 02:45.57 | liqu|d | think my linux mint is a live cd ill just boot that and ya |
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| 02:47.24 | liqu|d | or ill just install it quickly and shit\ |
| 02:47.37 | abrotman | liqu|d: Mint isn't supported here |
| 02:48.08 | liqu|d | ya i know i have to install that first to get a working desktop so i can download another iso that i doubt will work\ |
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| 02:51.46 | WangDang | anyone know where the web interface files for apt-cacher-ng are in debian? The docs say they should be in /etc/apt-cacher-ng. I've looked in usr/share and /var/lib. Nothing there. I've also checked the changelogs and it doesn't appear to have removed from the debian implementation |
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| 02:52.00 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: if other distros have worked, Debian should work too |
| 02:52.16 | liqu|d | mint 17 was plug and go |
| 02:52.54 | pingfloyd | I've ran Mint 17 and many other versions |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | WangDang: really, approx is easy :) |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | WangDang: otherwise, dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 02:55.01 | pingfloyd | WangDang: also, if you need to check where a pkg will install its files and you don't have it installed, you can use apt-file list |
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| 02:55.33 | pingfloyd | otherwise, dpkg -L is the preferred method and faster |
| 02:56.14 | liqu|d | im sorry but im gonna go for the night im tired, ill try this again on a day off |
| 02:56.47 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: yeah, you're probably going around in circles right now |
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| 02:57.04 | pingfloyd | liqu|d: from being tired and overlooking some things |
| 02:57.37 | WangDang | abrotman: ya, I've used approx. I decided to give cacher-ng a try. At first glance, the docs make it look complicated, but I think it's actually going to just work |
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| 02:58.03 | WangDang | abrotman and pingfloyd: thanks, dpkg -L showed me where they had been installed (/usr/lib) |
| 02:58.24 | Pupuser | Hello again people... |
| 02:58.32 | Pupuser | I just downloaded a debian distro |
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| 02:59.07 | abrotman | Pupuser: which one? |
| 02:59.09 | tomivs | Hey |
| 02:59.11 | Pupuser | and when I select install... it just beeps but nothing happens |
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| 03:00.03 | tomivs | I want to make a video blog what software do you recommend to video edit? |
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| 03:00.14 | abrotman | Pupuser: which debina distro? |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | tomivs: something like cheese might work |
| 03:00.27 | Pupuser | It is debian-7.70-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | Pupuser: nothing happens at all? |
| 03:00.45 | cafuego | cheese. now there's a lunch plan |
| 03:00.49 | swathe | tomivs: lots of people like kdenlive |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | cafuego: and wine? |
| 03:01.01 | tomivs | swathe: Mmmm |
| 03:01.06 | cafuego|lunch | abrotman: there was *quite* enough of that last night |
| 03:01.12 | swathe | I think some people have used openshot too |
| 03:01.25 | Pupuser | I downloaded it onto a USB key |
| 03:01.29 | cafuego|lunch | abrotman: also, nearly cut off a finger during breakfast, so no alcohol today I think. |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | probably for the best |
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| 03:01.59 | Pupuser | I wanted to ultimately install and debian onto a USB key, and use persistence |
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| 03:02.20 | Pupuser | but, i am stumped at the install stage for no reason i can think of |
| 03:02.32 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: at which stage |
| 03:02.43 | pingfloyd | which point in the installer? |
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| 03:03.07 | Pupuser | It boots fine, but when it comes to the installation |
| 03:03.54 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: which screen? |
| 03:04.06 | Pupuser | any ideas? |
| 03:04.12 | pingfloyd | not without details |
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| 03:04.54 | Pupuser | i guess its the install screen |
| 03:05.10 | Pupuser | the first install screen |
| 03:05.13 | Pupuser | all install options do not go any further |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | don't guess, tell us what it says |
| 03:05.33 | pingfloyd | so the screen that is the boot loader? |
| 03:05.53 | pingfloyd | where you have different options like memory check, expert install, etc? |
| 03:05.58 | Pupuser | its a bit difficult to describe very precisely becayse... i am trying to install it on the laptop that I am currently using |
| 03:05.58 | Pupuser | yes |
| 03:06.12 | pingfloyd | you should connect to irc on another computer |
| 03:06.32 | pingfloyd | isn't there any other device you can use for irc while you have it up? |
| 03:06.41 | pingfloyd | like say a smart phone even |
| 03:06.50 | Pupuser | yes, that is the exact screen |
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| 03:07.25 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: so no matter what option it does the same thing? |
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| 03:08.00 | Pupuser | The options are |
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| 03:08.12 | Pupuser | Install ; Advanced Options; help |
| 03:08.23 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: so you choose install and then what happens? |
| 03:08.43 | Pupuser | Selecting Advanced Options leads to more options |
| 03:08.59 | pingfloyd | it is supposed to |
| 03:09.10 | Pupuser | But, whichever end option is selected |
| 03:09.10 | Pupuser | There is simply no movement after that |
| 03:09.28 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: what does the screen do when you choose one of them? |
| 03:10.37 | SirLagz | Pupuser: Why not just *install* debian onto the USB stick ? |
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| 03:11.31 | Pupuser | nothing, no movement. Unless it is an option that has more suboptions. Eg. Advanced options, takes me to the next screen |
| 03:11.31 | Pupuser | There is a beep however |
| 03:11.40 | Pupuser | I thought when I downloaded the iso image... that is what I was doing. I was going to add persistence |
| 03:11.53 | Pupuser | Just to give you guys some more background: |
| 03:12.07 | Pupuser | The laptop I am using has no hardrive connected to it |
| 03:12.12 | pingfloyd | so you downloaded a live image and want to install it to a usb stick? |
| 03:12.29 | pingfloyd | the easiest way is use dd |
| 03:12.42 | pingfloyd | you dd the iso image to the usb stick and then boot off it |
| 03:13.04 | Pupuser | Yes, I have downloaded the live image and then used pendrivelinux to install it onto the usb in question |
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| 03:13.09 | pingfloyd | once you've gotten that working, then comes worrying about making it persistent |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | Pupuser: please use the regular installer, and use win32diskimager |
| 03:13.26 | Pupuser | it boots fine |
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| 03:13.44 | pingfloyd | those utils like pendrive make some changes |
| 03:13.54 | pingfloyd | usually to the bootloader |
| 03:13.56 | Pupuser | I havent simply downloaded an iso onto the USB key and plugged it in |
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| 03:14.08 | pingfloyd | that could be why you're having issue booting that live stick |
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| 03:14.16 | SirLagz | Pupuser: what you do, is download a *normal* iso, flash onto another USB stick (one that you're not installing it onto) or a CD, plug in the USB stick that you want to use as the hard drive into the laptop, then boot off the CD and install debian onto the USB stick as the hard drive |
| 03:14.31 | Pupuser | I "installed" the iso onto the using pendrive linux |
| 03:14.42 | Pupuser | Yes, I did exactly that |
| 03:14.54 | Pupuser | the image boots fine |
| 03:15.01 | SirLagz | Pupuser: so you have 2 USB sticks plugged into the Laptop ? |
| 03:15.04 | SirLagz | or 1 CD and 1 USB stick ? |
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| 03:15.11 | Pupuser | No CD |
| 03:15.17 | SirLagz | 2 USB sticks ? |
| 03:15.51 | Pupuser | When I was installing the debian ISO onto the target USB I did have two USBs in the laptop |
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| 03:16.53 | Pupuser | The source USB contained the iso file that I downloaded, and the second USB |
| 03:16.56 | Pupuser | is where it was "installed" |
| 03:17.05 | SirLagz | Pupuser: ok |
| 03:17.11 | SirLagz | so you boot off the Source USB ? |
| 03:18.01 | Pupuser | Is it also worthy of note, that I have more than one distro on the target USB |
| 03:18.02 | Pupuser | ? |
| 03:18.02 | Pupuser | (Please bare in mind, this has never been a problem before) |
| 03:18.07 | Pupuser | There are around three distros on it |
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| 03:18.37 | SirLagz | Pupuser: I'd stick with installing just one on the target USB...but that's me |
| 03:18.52 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: you should just try SirLagz's way, it sounds much easier in getting a persistent live usb stick |
| 03:19.05 | Pupuser | No, the source USB was where i downloaded the ISO file. I then installed the iso file using a boot application onto the second USB which I am calling the target USB |
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| 03:19.17 | SirLagz | ...wha |
| 03:19.32 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: take the pendrive out of it |
| 03:19.36 | Pupuser | I run different distros without issue on the target USB without any problem |
| 03:19.57 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: I've seen that one and unetbootin create images that won't boot on some systems |
| 03:20.12 | Pupuser | I see |
| 03:20.19 | SirLagz | Pupuser: I'm assuming you're running 3 different live distros on the target USB stick ? |
| 03:20.34 | Pupuser | Yes, but there is plenty of space on it |
| 03:20.42 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: just try how SirLagz is talking about and use the official normal image and install to the target usb stick instead of the hd |
| 03:20.55 | SirLagz | Pupuser: that's fine. I'm just not a fan of the way that is done. |
| 03:20.56 | Pupuser | when i boot it from starting the options. |
| 03:21.06 | pingfloyd | Pupuser: if that works, it will be persistent without any hassle |
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| 03:21.16 | Pupuser | I get this cool menu, which allows me to select the distro I want to load |
| 03:21.23 | SirLagz | Pupuser: IMO, if you want to run Debian off a USB stick, just *install* it *onto* the USB stick and don't mess around with live installs |
| 03:22.08 | SirLagz | live installs are useful for recovery distros and the like, but I'm not a fan of using them for normal work |
| 03:22.27 | pingfloyd | I'm not even a fan of using persistent live usbs for work |
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| 03:22.33 | Pupuser-1 | Thanks for all the help guys |
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| 03:22.43 | SirLagz | although installing Debian onto a USB stick will kill the USB stick in a year or two |
| 03:22.45 | pingfloyd | I keep a persistent usb stick around as my main recovery environment though |
| 03:22.46 | Pupuser-1 | Sorry, I got disconnected there |
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| 03:23.10 | pingfloyd | a live image is good when you're in a pinch |
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| 03:23.12 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: I don't even have that. I have PXE boot setup at home, if I need a recovery environment, I PXE bootup one of my many tools |
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| 03:23.44 | Pupuser-1 | I dont mind carrying a seperate USB stick for debian, but if I install it like that ... I will still be able to make the whle thing persistent, right |
| 03:23.45 | Pupuser-1 | ? |
| 03:23.49 | SirLagz | Pupuser: yes |
| 03:23.59 | SirLagz | Pupuser-1: the USB stick is in effect the hard drive |
| 03:24.13 | SirLagz | Pupuser-1: I had the same setup at home for 3 different machines |
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| 03:24.22 | SirLagz | Pupuser-1: I installed Debian as if the USB stick was the hard drive |
| 03:24.34 | SirLagz | Pupuser-1: worked fine until the USB sticks I was using died lol |
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| 03:24.45 | pingfloyd | Pupuser-1: if you want to use it on multiple systems, you'll want to full loaded kernel option in the installder |
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| 03:25.59 | pingfloyd | Pupuser-1: it's a default I believe |
| 03:26.10 | pingfloyd | Pupuser-1: that's the thing with the installer, if in doubt, just hit enter |
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| 03:26.27 | Pupuser-1 | Its just a shame because YUMI works VERY well normally, at letting you put many different distros on one USB stick |
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| 03:26.43 | Pupuser-1 | Ill try that now guys |
| 03:26.46 | Pupuser-1 | thanks again |
| 03:26.50 | pingfloyd | I may be thinking of the expert mode options though |
| 03:26.54 | pingfloyd | that's all I ever use |
| 03:26.54 | Pupuser-1 | i'll let you know how it goes |
| 03:27.53 | pingfloyd | I don't know why he doesn't just log in to irc on another device |
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| 03:28.07 | pingfloyd | then if he has a question or gets stuck... |
| 03:28.12 | SirLagz | lol |
| 03:28.14 | SirLagz | some people. |
| 03:28.54 | WangDang | maybe he has no other device. Been there |
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| 03:29.34 | SirLagz | WangDang: I haven't been in a position where I didn't have *one* other device to connect to IRC for something like 15 years lol |
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| 03:29.38 | pingfloyd | that's when you get a friend and then take them out for beer later or something |
| 03:29.50 | SirLagz | especially nowadays in the age of cheap technology |
| 03:30.14 | pingfloyd | it's a win win, then you have an excuse to go out and me, I probably could have been swayed into treating anyway. |
| 03:30.21 | SirLagz | haha |
| 03:30.41 | WangDang | pingfloyd: not a bad strategy lol |
| 03:30.42 | pingfloyd | if you're really smart, you ask some girl you want to take out for the favor |
| 03:30.48 | pingfloyd | 3 birds with one stone |
| 03:30.54 | WangDang | lol |
| 03:31.01 | SirLagz | I've spent way too much time helping Pupuser and not enough time working =/ |
| 03:31.17 | pingfloyd | yeah, I turn off irc at work |
| 03:31.33 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: I normally use IRC to ask for help haha |
| 03:31.41 | pingfloyd | I could be on it if I wanted, I run the network. |
| 03:31.52 | SirLagz | I've tunneled home to use IRC lol |
| 03:32.36 | pingfloyd | I have to deal with a Windows domain at work |
| 03:32.44 | Azodon | i am sorry |
| 03:33.18 | Azodon | haha, nice name. pingfloyd . i get it... |
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| 03:33.25 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: I have to deal with CA Spectrum at work. You probably never even heard of it :P lol |
| 03:33.43 | pingfloyd | seems like you pretty much have to work in a datacenter to be a linux admin |
| 03:33.48 | pingfloyd | at around here |
| 03:33.53 | pingfloyd | *at least |
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| 03:33.58 | SirLagz | where is 'around here' ? |
| 03:34.09 | i00nsu | yo all, what command / software to use / generate gpg-keys in Debian 7 (last updates ok) |
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| 03:34.21 | pingfloyd | WA |
| 03:34.43 | pingfloyd | I haven't been job hunting in a few years though either |
| 03:35.24 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: WA as in Washington or WA as in Western Australia ? :P |
| 03:35.32 | pingfloyd | SirLagz: the former |
| 03:35.39 | SirLagz | pingfloyd: ah. I'm in the Latter :D |
| 03:35.48 | abrotman | i00nsu: that really hasn't changed in ages |
| 03:35.54 | abrotman | SirLagz: pingfloyd please use #debian-offtopic |
| 03:36.00 | SirLagz | abrotman: sorry |
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| 03:37.20 | i00nsu | abrotman and the command is? I use gpg and is only to manipulate files not certificates |
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| 03:38.11 | abrotman | lots of docs at gnupg.org |
| 03:38.21 | WangDang | abrotman: speaking of appropriate usage, are there no guidelines regarding appropriate language on #debian? |
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| 03:39.55 | abrotman | WangDang: depends |
| 03:40.35 | WangDang | abrotman: on what? |
| 03:40.56 | i00nsu | abrotman: alright xD is the same (gpg) haha nice! thanks |
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| 03:42.30 | WangDang | there was recently a very frustrated user on the channel. He was here for some time, and I was finding it quite unpleasant. Was his usage appropriate? I sometimes have children with me while I'm at my computer. I'm glad there were none today |
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| 03:44.21 | abrotman | I don't know what you're referring to, but feel free to use /ignore |
| 03:45.35 | WangDang | I was referring to liquid. Thanks, I didn't know about /ignore |
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| 03:54.02 | russmuss | Does anyone know a place where I can get a free number to receieve a text? |
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| 03:57.28 | SirLagz | russmuss: what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:58.09 | russmuss | verify my gmail |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 04:02.39 | att344 | hi my network interface gets random numbers on each restart, any recommendations? at one it is eth1 next time eth5 another time eth2 etc it is pretty confusing and I use static ip so this makes me reedit interface file regularly |
| 04:02.58 | SirLagz | att344: this isn't a nvidia/gigabyte motherboard is it ? |
| 04:04.52 | abrotman | forcedeth? |
| 04:05.05 | SirLagz | abrotman: that's what I was thinking. |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | You can write the udev to have wild card matching on the MAC |
| 04:05.32 | SirLagz | abrotman: I just hardcoded a MAC address into my /etc/network/interfaces lol |
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| 04:06.39 | Pupuser | Hi guys, back again! |
| 04:07.00 | SirLagz | runs away |
| 04:07.19 | Pupuser | When you guys said, try not to install debian from an image and use a "normal" install instead... |
| 04:07.25 | Pupuser | lol |
| 04:07.36 | Pupuser | what exactly did you mean? |
| 04:07.51 | SirLagz | can't hear because he's very very far away |
| 04:07.53 | SirLagz | :P |
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| 04:08.13 | SirLagz | flash a normal ISO onto a USB stick as if you were going to install Debian onto a hard drive |
| 04:08.24 | SirLagz | not a live ISO |
| 04:08.28 | Pupuser | You saved me now, so you should feel a lil responsible |
| 04:08.28 | att344 | SirLagz: msi/nvidia |
| 04:09.03 | SirLagz | att344: check the MAC address on each bootup, see if it's changing each time. If it is, then you have one of those buggy forcedeth NICs. |
| 04:09.13 | att344 | SirLagz: hmm ok |
| 04:09.28 | Pupuser | So, I would go to debian.org and download what exactly? |
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| 04:09.42 | att344 | never heard of forcedeth will check |
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| 04:10.16 | SirLagz | Pupuser: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-CD-1.iso <-- that. Or that file from a mirror closer to you. |
| 04:10.56 | SirLagz | Pupuser: and the right Architecture too. |
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| 04:11.13 | dvs | and the netinst too |
| 04:11.24 | SirLagz | or the netinst. |
| 04:11.27 | SirLagz | one or the other |
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| 04:12.46 | Pupuser | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:13.09 | SirLagz | either one should work. I'd get the full one just in case as the netinst is occasionally missing drivers |
| 04:13.10 | Pupuser | That is what I am downloading as we speak |
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| 04:13.52 | Pupuser | ok |
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| 04:14.58 | dvs | missing drivers?!? They use the same kernel. |
| 04:15.22 | dvs | If you're worried about drivers, use the firmware iso. |
| 04:16.08 | SirLagz | dvs: same kernel, different modules are included though |
| 04:17.25 | Pupuser | Once, I get the iso, are there any specific instructions to put it on the USB stick? |
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| 04:17.41 | dvs | Pupuser: depends what OS you are writing from. |
| 04:17.50 | SirLagz | Pupuser: just dd it into a USB stick that you don't have anything important on. |
| 04:17.52 | Pupuser | puppylinux |
| 04:18.02 | dvs | dd it is. |
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| 04:18.07 | SirLagz | well. dd it onto an empty usb stick |
| 04:18.20 | Pupuser | dd it? |
| 04:18.30 | SirLagz | yes |
| 04:19.09 | Pupuser | Forgive me if this is a stupid question- but what do you mean by "dd" it? |
| 04:19.09 | SirLagz | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb <-- like that |
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| 04:22.15 | Pupuser | understood |
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| 05:31.14 | sweb | how can i add firmware ? debain missing firmware rtl_nic/rtl81816e-3.fw |
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| 05:32.46 | cafuego | und keine Eier |
| 05:33.15 | cafuego | sweb: Add the non-free repo and install the nonfree firmware package. |
| 05:33.58 | sweb | cafuego: it's display on debian install |
| 05:34.07 | sweb | can i add it later after installation ? |
| 05:34.29 | sweb | add non-free to source.list and upgrade my current installation? |
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| 05:53.33 | kovalan | hello |
| 05:53.49 | kovalan | where can i get some instructions/documentation for installing hardware raid and LVM? |
| 05:54.37 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: you just configure your hardware raid and use the installer to install LVM on top of that |
| 05:54.58 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: there's not really any documentation, because the raid configuration is hardware speciifc, and once that's done, it's just another disk device. |
| 05:54.59 | kovalan | thank you, dondelecaro |
| 05:55.12 | kovalan | the situation is like this |
| 05:55.26 | kovalan | i have an asus c2750d4i mobo |
| 05:55.33 | kovalan | that supports 6 hard drives |
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| 05:55.59 | kovalan | so when i attempt to install debian on that, the installer sees all the hard drives |
| 05:56.14 | kovalan | however, i am not sure which type of partition to choose |
| 05:56.58 | kovalan | i saw some info on archlinux wiki - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Software_RAID_and_LVM#Installation |
| 05:57.05 | kovalan | but it is for software raid |
| 05:57.12 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: is this a new install? |
| 05:57.21 | kovalan | yeah |
| 05:57.32 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: if the installer sees all of the hard drives, then you don't have hardware raid |
| 05:57.47 | kovalan | i c |
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| 05:58.06 | kovalan | to be honest, i have never done this before |
| 05:58.17 | dondelelcaro | in fact, as AFAICT, the marvel doesn't even have software raid; it's just a controller |
| 05:58.20 | kovalan | never done hardware raid |
| 05:58.28 | lzx | is it configured through bios? |
| 05:58.39 | lzx | the hardware raid? |
| 05:58.44 | dondelelcaro | lzx: often, yes. |
| 05:58.45 | kovalan | yes, it is |
| 05:59.30 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: anyway, in this case, I'd personally use the linux software raid |
| 05:59.44 | kovalan | oh ok |
| 05:59.49 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: unless you were planning to dual boot or do anything like that |
| 06:00.09 | kovalan | we are planning to use this as a linux server |
| 06:00.12 | kovalan | so no dual boot |
| 06:00.28 | dondelelcaro | cool; then you definitely want linux software raid |
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| 06:00.53 | kovalan | what would be the advantages of software raid over hw raid? |
| 06:00.57 | kovalan | could you kindly explain? |
| 06:01.03 | kovalan | (sorry for a naive question) |
| 06:01.45 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: linux software raid is better than most controller's software raid because you can replace broken controllers, migrate disks, check status from inside linux, etc. |
| 06:02.09 | kovalan | oh ok |
| 06:02.23 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: it's better than hardware raid primarily from ease of maintenance, as most hardware raid software is pretty crappy. But generally if you're using hardware raid, you're using it because you want speed. |
| 06:02.49 | kovalan | ok, now i see |
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| 06:03.11 | sifeic | sorry about that |
| 06:03.19 | dondelelcaro | kovalan: generally, most hardware raid is on an external controller, and a raid controller will cost as much as that entire motherboard does. |
| 06:03.39 | dondelelcaro | (or more if it runs more than 4 ports) |
| 06:04.15 | kovalan | in this case, we got it with the asus mobo. (but, i understand your point.) |
| 06:05.22 | kovalan | i googled for some comparisons |
| 06:05.31 | kovalan | here are a couple of top results |
| 06:05.33 | kovalan | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/raid-hardware-vs-raid-software.html |
| 06:06.19 | kovalan | if it is of use to anyone |
| 06:06.28 | kovalan | one more link - http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/servers/8222-benchmarking-hardware-raid-vs-linux-kernel-software-raid |
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| 06:08.26 | kovalan | thank you, dondelelcaro |
| 06:08.34 | cafuego | kovalan: If it came with an asus mobo you'll want to chosoe software raid. |
| 06:08.36 | kovalan | will try and see how it works |
| 06:08.52 | kovalan | ok. is asus hw raid not good? |
| 06:09.30 | cafuego | It's managed by a proprietary on-mobo chip... which means that if the mobo dies, you'll need an *exact* same mobo to bring raid back. |
| 06:09.55 | cafuego | You're safer to go with in-kernel software raid (which is likely faster anyway) |
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| 06:10.23 | cafuego | with SW raid, you can transplant all disks to a different vox and raid will keep working. |
| 06:10.31 | cafuego | also to a different box ;-) |
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| 06:11.02 | kovalan | yeah excellent points, cafeugo |
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| 06:11.18 | kovalan | i didn't think of the need for the exact same mobo |
| 06:11.46 | kovalan | ok will try to do the software way then |
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| 06:12.38 | kovalan | does that mean there is no standards for these raid controllers that are being followed by the manufacturers? |
| 06:13.31 | cafuego | kovalan: you got it |
| 06:14.09 | kovalan | do you know of any docs, cafeugo? |
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| 06:14.44 | cafuego | kovalan: for SWraid... I think I used LTD but that was over 10 years ago. |
| 06:14.51 | cafuego | TLDP even |
| 06:15.17 | cafuego | kovalan: I've not been in a position since to NOT use kernel swraid |
| 06:15.27 | cafuego | it Just Works⢠:-) |
| 06:15.41 | kovalan | oh cool |
| 06:15.46 | kovalan | thank you, cafeugo |
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| 06:16.02 | kovalan | dropping off |
| 06:16.06 | kovalan | will report back |
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| 06:44.57 | jusss | hi all, I use debian 7 now, how I can change my time ? I'm in GMT+8 |
| 06:45.22 | jusss | dkpg-reconfigure tzdata , not works |
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| 06:46.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | jusss, you might need to log out after doing that |
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| 06:52.41 | jusss | Eduard_Munteanu: it still doesn't work, which package the command hwclock is in? |
| 06:52.58 | jusss | fake-hwclock ? |
| 06:53.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | jusss, use apt-file to find it |
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| 06:55.16 | jusss | Eduard_Munteanu: apt-file command not found |
| 06:55.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | jusss, apt-get install apt-file, then apt-file update |
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| 07:36.05 | darsie | I read Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 is incorrectly reported to be vulnerable. Is it vulnerable? |
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| 07:59.19 | KM0201 | is ther ea way to backport netflix support onto Wheezy? I see conficting posts on this |
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| 08:08.03 | babilen | KM0201: Netflix is nothing that could be backported, but you might want to investigate if you can get hold of google-chrome |
| 08:08.27 | KM0201 | babilen: yeah i tried that but netflix didn't work w/ chrome either |
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| 08:08.46 | KM0201 | i was just messing w/ a live CD though |
| 08:09.13 | babilen | It does, you do, however, need the beta. This isn't really a Debian issue and I would kindly ask you to take it to a more appropriate channel or forum. |
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| 08:09.38 | babilen | (not entirely sure on the beta though and a friend had to upgrade other packages for it to work) |
| 08:09.49 | KM0201 | lol.. whatever |
| 08:10.30 | darsie | 'aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree' upgraded my flash to .425 and it's no longer reported as vulnerable. |
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| 08:11.41 | babilen | fwiw, people in the same situation can just run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" |
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| 08:14.30 | ychaouche | oh god |
| 08:14.33 | ychaouche | hello |
| 08:14.52 | ychaouche | I have launched kmail and tried to setup imap |
| 08:15.06 | ychaouche | now it sends 4 million queries a second to my server I want to stop this |
| 08:15.25 | ychaouche | (*slightly* exagerated) |
| 08:15.49 | ychaouche | I quit kmail but I can see the requests still coming on the servers' logs |
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| 08:16.26 | ychaouche | I also tried to kill /usr/bin/akonadi_imap_resource (the only output I got from pgrep imap) but it keeps respawning |
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| 08:16.44 | ychaouche | Any idea what could be launching this or how to stop those imap queries ? |
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| 08:17.36 | ychaouche | appearently it is launched from akonadi control |
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| 08:26.27 | ChrisH | ychaouche: are all requests send from the same local port? If yes, lsof -i tcp:$PORT should show the process to be killed |
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| 08:26.47 | ychaouche | ChrisH: as I said before, it keeps respawning |
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| 08:28.03 | ychaouche | for some reason it has stopped now, maybe max timeout reached (keeps trying for 10 minutes or so) |
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| 08:28.49 | ychaouche | ok, found #akonadi :) |
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| 08:39.05 | Iridos | ChrisH, or fuser 80/tcp |
| 08:41.05 | Iridos | ychaouche, guess it tries to get your 16 million emails... in parallel? |
| 08:42.02 | ychaouche | Iridos: no no :) there https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/0dc1f78e3ee0e7719010 |
| 08:42.11 | ychaouche | it's just connect/disconnect |
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| 08:47.43 | wingman2 | hello |
| 08:48.25 | ychaouche | wingman2: hi |
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| 09:00.58 | wingman2 | I'm building a install of debian for an embedded device and I am planning on excluding dpkg and apt-get when I debbootstrap, unfortunately I also need to install a .deb for a kernel. I had been planning on finding the difference between a normal install and a normal install plus kernel and just applying/copying that on a minimal install. Is there a better way to do this? |
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| 09:01.45 | wingman2 | Also not working for a company this is a personal project |
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| 09:03.19 | KM0201 | don't you think stripping dpkg and apt-get really cripples the device? |
| 09:04.15 | wingman2 | yes |
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| 09:09.28 | wingman2 | I'm putting debian + lxc on the embedded flash of an arm based device, and it will automatically mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 as /var/lib/lxc and autorun whatever containers are there. They can be fully fledged distributions. |
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| 09:10.58 | wingman2 | They are cheap little computers that I can give to family members/friends and let them have interesting stuff |
| 09:11.16 | SirLagz | sounds like Raspberry Pis |
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| 09:12.05 | wingman2 | except arm5 and $12 on amazon with gige |
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| 09:12.13 | SirLagz | $12 ?!?! |
| 09:12.18 | SirLagz | linky me |
| 09:13.25 | wingman2 | http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY |
| 09:14.09 | wingman2 | This one is more expensive but has sata and usb3 |
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| 09:14.55 | SirLagz | wonder if they'll ship to Aus... |
| 09:15.09 | wingman2 | they do |
| 09:15.17 | wingman2 | mate |
| 09:15.25 | SirLagz | lol |
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| 09:15.35 | SirLagz | where's the $12 one? |
| 09:15.59 | wingman2 | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GM1Q1O/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687742&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B006I5MKZY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1FNYG60PM22D9686PDDY |
| 09:16.05 | wingman2 | The price fluctuates |
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| 09:17.12 | SirLagz | hmmm I could turn that into a print server so easily... |
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| 09:18.37 | wingman2 | This is a odd it currently says it doesn't ship to Australia |
| 09:18.48 | SirLagz | damn lol |
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| 09:20.28 | harmaahylje | if that little thing really works, you can't beat it on price for sure |
| 09:21.18 | harmaahylje | would be a great thing to have for backing up backups |
| 09:21.19 | wingman2 | harmaahylje: I already bought four :) |
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| 09:21.47 | harmaahylje | wingman2: why that many? |
| 09:22.22 | Iridos | to backup the backups of the backups! |
| 09:22.37 | wingman2 | harmaahylje: because it was free shipping if I spent more than $35 |
| 09:23.03 | harmaahylje | wingman2: do you need those 4? I don't think you saved any money unless you have a use for them :P |
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| 09:23.26 | wingman2 | harmaahylje: need no |
| 09:23.26 | harmaahylje | Iridos: yeah, or that. |
| 09:24.51 | harmaahylje | oh, I did not notice it was on sale. :-) It definitely isn't worth the original price of 100 dollars :S |
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| 09:25.28 | Iridos | harmaahylje, sadly, the same in German amazon costs ~â¬100... . this is more for #debian-offtopic, though... we can move it there |
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| 09:28.42 | wingman2 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/storage/test.1gb bs=1M count=1024 |
| 09:28.42 | wingman2 | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 48.9761 s, 21.9 MB/s |
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| 09:28.48 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:29.49 | Agiofws | i've got debian 7 with gnome 3 and i can't set a second written chars in browser can anyone help? this though does work when i login as another user on the same host |
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| 09:31.44 | wingman2 | Anyway I'm moving this discussion to #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:09.10 | mihaweb | apt-get update error today: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not ated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://http.debiant wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B46246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debiarg> |
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| 10:09.44 | mihaweb | do i have to be worried now? |
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| 10:12.52 | mihaweb | didn't change anything lately, worked until now |
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| 10:24.41 | wingman2 | mihaweb: Shouldn't that be .org |
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| 10:25.39 | mihaweb | wingman2: don't know? http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ says net here? |
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| 10:25.58 | mihaweb | very old instructions though :D |
| 10:26.13 | mihaweb | hmm |
| 10:26.28 | mihaweb | For wheezy add this line deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main to your sources.list (or add a new file with the ".list" extension to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) You can also find a list of other mirrors at https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 10:36.31 | etomiotto | oi |
| 10:36.53 | WilliamDotAT | anyone knows how effective rsyncs -z actually is? |
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| 10:56.30 | ychaouche_ | anyone knows what's the the combination key to use in a console for forward command history search ? (I used ^r to search backwards but sometimes I want to get back to previous results) |
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| 10:57.10 | ChrisH | ychaouche: like ^r^r ? |
| 10:57.29 | ychaouche | that justs searches the last thing you searchede |
| 10:57.37 | ychaouche | or continues searching backwards |
| 10:57.55 | ychaouche | I want the opposite |
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| 10:59.44 | child | my phpinfo.php just show a blank page... whats wrong? I thought would be the httpd.conf file without index.php but the file doesnt even exist in the directory... |
| 11:01.23 | ChrisH | ychaouche: forward-search-history (C-s) |
| 11:01.29 | ChrisH | from man basg |
| 11:01.42 | babilen | ychaouche: You mean that you want to undo a ^r ? |
| 11:02.14 | ychaouche | babilen: go the other way (instead of back search do a forward search) |
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| 11:02.41 | ychaouche | babilen: suppose you're doing ^r then ^r then ^r then you want to get back to the last ^r, how would you do ? |
| 11:02.54 | ychaouche | ChrisH: C-s just sends a signal to the terminal and lock it. |
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| 11:03.18 | ychaouche | I don't know if it's just my terminal or if it's "standard" (Konsole) |
| 11:03.42 | ychaouche | then you have to unlock it with ^q |
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| 11:04.57 | ChrisH | ychaouche: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60071/how-to-forward-search-history-with-the-reverse-i-search-command-ctrlr has some background details and suggestions |
| 11:05.25 | ychaouche | ChrisH: oh nice :) i'll take a look. Thanks |
| 11:08.03 | child | someone could share the httpd.conf file for me try? |
| 11:08.37 | ychaouche | ssty stop undef. good :) |
| 11:08.39 | ychaouche | thanks ChrisH |
| 11:10.46 | befective | child: a2enmod php5 |
| 11:10.58 | befective | chid: if you installed all via apt-get obviusly |
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| 11:11.40 | ychaouche | is there a configuration file I can edit to issue a command at login only ? not everytime I open bash ? |
| 11:12.12 | peopleone | child: if you want to debug, change the parameter show_errors to On on php.ini |
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| 11:13.49 | child | peopleone: I did.. it just show a blank page |
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| 11:14.54 | child | peopleone: do you have any idea about why? |
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| 11:18.15 | ychaouche | check the logs child and also you should ask on #httpd |
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| 11:25.26 | peopleone | child: check /var/log/apache2/error.log or enable show errors |
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| 11:34.38 | mihaweb | regarding my error, i had "debian-archive-keyring", but not "debian-keyring" |
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| 11:44.36 | sine0 | hi folks of the great debian community |
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| 11:46.44 | jaggzed | I swear something told me I didn't need to setup mdadm.conf.. I was fine with it setting up /dev/md0 .. |
| 11:47.01 | jaggzed | then one boot fails .. I check and it's /dev/md127 .. then after rebooting it goes back to md0 |
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| 11:50.20 | sine0 | sudo apt-get install mysql-server && mysql-client |
| 11:50.24 | sine0 | is this correct syntax |
| 11:50.51 | mihaweb | without && |
| 11:51.09 | oo_miguel | Can I temporarily install one package from unstable? |
| 11:51.13 | sine0 | thank you |
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| 11:52.17 | mihaweb | oo_miguel: http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing (but i would be VERY careful about it) |
| 11:52.30 | superrorc | hi guys! |
| 11:52.31 | mihaweb | dependencies can break other programs |
| 11:52.47 | oo_miguel | mihaweb: of course I will be _very_ careful ;) thank you! |
| 11:52.57 | petn-randall | oo_miguel, mihaweb, that's very bad advice! |
| 11:53.05 | mihaweb | oo_miguel: i was nervous about installing one program from backports, updated a few libs in process |
| 11:53.27 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: You'll break your system if you do it that way. What package do you need from unstable? |
| 11:53.27 | mihaweb | petn-randall: hey, not my idea. i am sorry. please do tell all about it. |
| 11:53.47 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 11:53.47 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 11:53.56 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: sane-utils |
| 11:54.01 | petn-randall | ,v sane-utils |
| 11:54.01 | superrorc | today my IPSEC has been broken |
| 11:54.02 | judd | Package: sane-utils on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.21-9; squeeze-backports: 1.0.22-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.22-7.4; jessie: 1.0.24-4; sid: 1.0.24-7 |
| 11:54.10 | superrorc | its dont run un start up |
| 11:54.16 | superrorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/137247 here is log |
| 11:54.21 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
| 11:54.23 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: And the one from stable is not current enough? How so? |
| 11:54.46 | superrorc | ipsec pluto failed to start on boot |
| 11:54.47 | mihaweb | petn-randall: what about backports? are they good enough? |
| 11:54.59 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: I filed a bug report about a segfault and the maintainer asked me to check if I could compare the behaviour with the version available through unstable |
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| 11:55.33 | petn-randall | mihaweb: backports is supported, but in this case there is no backported version of sane-utils. |
| 11:55.41 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Can you link to the bug report? |
| 11:56.33 | oo_miguel | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586665 |
| 11:56.50 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: the very last 2 messages |
| 11:59.20 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Just so I can follow, who are you in the bug report? |
| 12:00.34 | superrorc | where i can get help with debian wheezy and openswan ? |
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| 12:01.26 | petn-randall | superrorc: You're at the right place, just wait until someone looks into it. If you don't get a response in 1 or 2 hours, ask again. |
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| 12:01.55 | superrorc | thanks! |
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| 12:02.30 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Can you install sid in a VM and test from there? |
| 12:02.48 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Other option would be to backport that package by hand, which might be a little more error-prone. |
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| 12:02.55 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: I can, but will the behaviour inside the VM be comparable to the behaviour on my actual hardware? |
| 12:03.44 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Probably, yes. Is the scanner a USB device? |
| 12:04.05 | shingouz | superrorc: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 12:04.42 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: it is connected via ethernet, but I could try connecting it directly via usb |
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| 12:05.04 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: As long as the VM is on the same subnet, it should be fine. |
| 12:05.20 | superrorc | shingouz: clear |
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| 12:06.19 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: allright, thank you very much for the advise! |
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| 12:07.45 | mihaweb | oo_miguel: use "bridged" network, not NAT |
| 12:07.55 | mihaweb | for virtualbox/vmware/.. |
| 12:08.30 | mihaweb | oo_miguel: so you get another DHCP ip, or set one free IP in your computer's network |
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| 12:11.13 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: mihaweb: I connected the scanner directly with an usb cable now and it works. (however this did not solve the original problem) |
| 12:12.40 | superrorc | problem with ipsec vpn , pluto daemon. running Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) and openswan 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 . running on boot with rc.local - " /etc/init.d/ipsec restart " . it works if i run it manualy. rc.local works! |
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| 12:12.46 | superrorc | logs http://paste.debian.net/plain/137247 |
| 12:13.09 | superrorc | its works, but stoped after few days.. |
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| 12:19.04 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
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| 12:20.07 | otyugh | ,v irssi |
| 12:20.09 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-5~bpo60+1+b1; wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.17-1; sid: 0.8.17-1 |
| 12:21.18 | hassoon | ,v fglrx |
| 12:21.19 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in i386. |
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| 12:21.50 | hassoon | where is that other *deb* bot |
| 12:21.59 | mihaweb | judd: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 12:22.05 | hassoon | !help |
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| 12:22.46 | hassoon | oh yeah _dpkg_ |
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| 12:24.42 | shingouz | superrorc: installing openswan here just to see what happens |
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| 12:25.25 | superrorc | what? i must reinstall openswan? |
| 12:25.42 | geronim | How to change the root password? |
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| 12:26.05 | ChrisH | geronim: execute passwd as root |
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| 12:26.39 | mihaweb | ChrisH: or: sudo passwd root |
| 12:26.40 | mihaweb | ? |
| 12:27.34 | ChrisH | mihaweb: sure, same thing. executes are root... su - -c "passwd root" |
| 12:27.42 | geronim | As a root I just have to write: "execute password" ? |
| 12:27.59 | mihaweb | geronim: just passwd |
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| 12:31.15 | geronim | To be root I use usually "su" now must write "su - -c" and then "execute passwd" ? Or "passwd root" |
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| 12:32.42 | ChrisH | geronim: 1. become root as usual 2. type: passwd <press return> and follow the instructions. |
| 12:32.45 | kanliot | anyone else have flash plugin problems recently on wheezy? using firefox? |
| 12:33.12 | linuxator | LogServer[1995]: segfault at 30 ip 0000000000000030 sp 00007f3523175698 error 14 in mythlogserver[400000+3000] what's wrong? |
| 12:33.17 | geronim | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.19 | mihaweb | and if you forget root password, you have recovery mode at boot :) |
| 12:33.42 | geronim | Got it |
| 12:33.46 | mihaweb | https://wiki.debian.org/Root |
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| 12:35.02 | jaggi | why is my md0 not loading at boot? |
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| 12:35.23 | shingouz | superrorc: no, i do not think so. has it ever worked as planned? |
| 12:35.48 | superrorc | yep, its works perfect |
| 12:36.00 | superrorc | but corrupted 2 days ago |
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| 12:36.20 | jaggi | and when I do mdadm --auto-detect it results in a faulty device.. I get input/output errors on it |
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| 12:36.54 | shingouz | superrorc: i wonder why it got corrupted. did you update the system at that time? remove something? install something? |
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| 12:38.00 | superrorc | building from source some programms, but dont change update.rc and etc... |
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| 12:38.11 | superrorc | just install it on my home dir |
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| 12:39.07 | superrorc | znc irc bouncer was builded |
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| 12:39.21 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 12:39.32 | someHuman | Any of you know the alienware skin for VLC? |
| 12:39.54 | someHuman | I can't see the preferences dialog for me to change my skin. |
| 12:41.32 | shingouz | superrorc: i just did an apt-get install openswan here on a stable, it installed without a hitch. it should not modify rc.local in the first place, looks like the script it installs is called ipsec. strange |
| 12:41.54 | COOOOOOOL | test |
| 12:41.55 | COOOOOOOL | stest |
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| 12:42.57 | superrorc | shingouz: i have ipsec script too, but its disabled with update-rc |
| 12:43.28 | shingouz | superrorc: maybe that is the problem? |
| 12:43.32 | superrorc | shingouz: if enabled - not working on boot ) |
| 12:43.45 | superrorc | shingouz: i configure it with rc |
| 12:44.03 | superrorc | shingouz: and i have snapshot with this configuration |
| 12:44.37 | superrorc | shingouz: i can restore it. but i want to know this problem |
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| 12:45.32 | sine0 | Setting up mysql-server (5.5.40-0+wheezy1) ... |
| 12:45.42 | sine0 | console has been on that for about 30 minutes now |
| 12:45.51 | sine0 | does it actually take that long |
| 12:46.14 | shingouz | superrorc: you said you configured "it" with "rc"? i am a bit at the sea on how you configured it. to me it seems like apt-get install openswan pulls in the correct bits and pieces, then edit ipsec.conf and reload the config should do it |
| 12:47.00 | shingouz | i mean, is the "it" ipsec, rc.local, update-rc or....? |
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| 12:48.00 | superrorc | to me its same, but running on boot with this - /etc/init.d/ipsec restart in rc.local |
| 12:48.06 | superrorc | it is VPN |
| 12:48.11 | superrorc | worked vpn |
| 12:48.12 | ChrisH | sine0: normally not... depending on the systems speed max a few minutes... like 2 |
| 12:48.55 | superrorc | shingouz: thanks 4 u time, but need to go . good luck |
| 12:48.59 | sine0 | ChrisH: Im using a raspberry pi on ARM so maybe thats why.. |
| 12:50.13 | ChrisH | sine0: ehm... mysql-server on a pi, well looks like you have time; continue waiting to adapt your feeling |
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| 12:51.28 | sine0 | ChrisH: im practising LAMP |
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| 12:56.31 | mihaweb | sine0 ChrisH pi is not too bad, but sdcard is awfully slow. some usb2.0 external disk would help a lot. |
| 12:56.56 | mihaweb | cpu and ram is decent enough for small server |
| 12:56.59 | Shadow_7 | I run a lot of things on my pi. Mostly stuff that I want always on and not on my primary machine. |
| 12:57.31 | mihaweb | Shadow_7: don't you agree? :) |
| 12:57.48 | frankS2 | Hi, does anyone have any init script or upstart script for this example: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DifferentUserIDsUsingReverseProxy ? |
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| 12:58.20 | Shadow_7 | mostly IRC on the pi. Probably an nfs share if I ever get a large and quiet USB drive. |
| 12:58.53 | mihaweb | Shadow_7: i noticed even fairly simple operations like apt-get upgrade take a lot of time. and most of it is not because of cpu. |
| 12:59.06 | Shadow_7 | if I ever get a usb to ethernet adapter it'll be the firewall and dhcp server between the interwebs and the home routers |
| 12:59.07 | mihaweb | didn't measure, but sdcard seems to be slow |
| 12:59.26 | Shadow_7 | sdcards are way faster than usb sticks |
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| 12:59.53 | mihaweb | Shadow_7: perhaps i didn't try class10+, only one that comes with pi :D |
| 13:00.03 | Shadow_7 | there's some fast ones out now, get at least a class 6 IMO. or run something that doesn't do much disk I/O |
| 13:00.11 | mihaweb | class10 is dirt cheap now |
| 13:00.40 | Shadow_7 | the reads on the cards are pretty snappy. The writes are the slow parts |
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| 13:01.01 | mihaweb | http://www.storagereview.com/toshiba_microsd_class_10_uhsi_review i bought 64gb for 32 eur for phone (comes with sd adapter) |
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| 13:01.15 | mihaweb | fast enough for fullhd video |
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| 13:01.42 | jelly | mihaweb: single stream of read or wirte is a lot different than using it as an OS disk |
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| 13:02.04 | mihaweb | tested last saturday for wild party... now i need external battery pack for phone :p |
| 13:02.09 | Shadow_7 | if you rsync a live OS image to it, that'll have most logging and stuff turned off. |
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| 13:02.49 | mihaweb | jelly: well, i just say, rasberry pi feels very slow because of sd, not cpu or ram. |
| 13:03.17 | mihaweb | 1ghz and 512mb ram is good enough for small computer |
| 13:03.30 | mihaweb | but everything loads and loads |
| 13:03.41 | cerberos | Iâve having trouble with an apt-get install script thatâs freezing on both wheezy and ubuntu 14.04 http://dpaste.com/1D2P7DW |
| 13:04.01 | cerberos | I think itâs related to gnu timeout |
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| 13:05.26 | Shadow_7 | depends on ram usage too, so don't load big things. and don't use pulseaudio |
| 13:05.49 | Shadow_7 | and change swappiness to something lower than the default 60 |
| 13:06.00 | dgriffi | what's the big attraction of pulseaudio in the first place? |
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| 13:06.16 | Shadow_7 | dgriffi: required for things like skype |
| 13:06.31 | maroloccio | can i dpkg-query --show --showformat 'something' but query *all* packages? (all = same as `apt-cache pkgnames') |
| 13:06.40 | Shadow_7 | plus a gui to pick your soundcard instead of having to know stuff |
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| 13:07.07 | sine0 | mihaweb: is there a way i can install mysql in verbose mode so i can see if and where it hangs on what its doing |
| 13:07.20 | sine0 | i think it crashed |
| 13:07.22 | mihaweb | sine0: probably, but try #mysql ? :) |
| 13:07.25 | nkuttler | sine0: which error do you get right now? |
| 13:07.32 | sine0 | its just fronzen |
| 13:07.42 | sine0 | on installing |
| 13:07.54 | sine0 | Setting up libhtml-template-perl (2.91-1) ... |
| 13:07.55 | sine0 | Setting up mysql-client (5.5.40-0+wheezy1) ... |
| 13:07.55 | sine0 | Setting up mysql-server (5.5.40-0+wheezy1) ... |
| 13:07.57 | mihaweb | sine0: /var/log/mysql ? |
| 13:08.04 | sine0 | k |
| 13:08.06 | mihaweb | sine0: wait :D |
| 13:08.21 | mihaweb | sine0: go out for few mins |
| 13:08.45 | sine0 | TIME+ 2:22 |
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| 13:21.42 | calvinh | hey guys, is there any way to physically delete data from hard disks in debian? every time i cancel the subscription of a server after we replaced it it kinda feels bad to just "rm -rf" everything before the server hard disks go back to the hoster and possibly the next customer |
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| 13:24.17 | maroloccio | can i dpkg-query --show --showformat 'something' but query *all* packages? (all = same as `apt-cache pkgnames') |
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| 13:25.48 | mihaweb | calvinh: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk (probably same on debian) |
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| 13:26.13 | mihaweb | calvinh: on your own risk of course... :) |
| 13:26.41 | mihaweb | calvinh: if you are using ssd disks, it's even worse |
| 13:27.36 | calvinh | mihaweb: nah really old server i'am cancelling today, still HDDs in it...thanks for the link |
| 13:27.40 | mihaweb | calvinh: for android, you first encrypt disk (it fills every sector with encrypted bytes), then you factory reset (and delete keys) |
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| 13:27.53 | mihaweb | calvinh: so installing encrypted lvm would work too |
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| 13:28.06 | mihaweb | or whatever it is called on linux :p |
| 13:28.07 | shingouz | calvinh: you could dd stuff off /dev/random a couple of times onto the drive... |
| 13:28.19 | mihaweb | shingouz: yes. or urandom :) |
| 13:28.26 | calvinh | yea thought about that too |
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| 13:29.09 | shingouz | calvinh: for physically removing data from the disk, i believe a swiss army chainsaw of nuclear bomb would be in order ;) |
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| 13:29.31 | mihaweb | calvinh: just reinstall debian Guided partitioning can also set up LVM logical volumes instead of partitions (see below). Since the remainder of the operation is the same, we will not go over the option âGuided - use entire disk and set up LVMâ (encrypted or not). |
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| 13:29.51 | mihaweb | use entired disk, encrypted lvm, make it actually format everything |
| 13:30.19 | trewas | cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdx is good enough unless a three letter agency is after you |
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| 13:30.53 | mihaweb | trewas: zero is not good enough. hard drive recovery tools might be able to guess bits. |
| 13:31.01 | mihaweb | trewas: any random source is much better |
| 13:31.21 | jaggz | what starts x at boot? and how do i start it by hand the same way if it fails? for some reason it didnt cme up this boot, and i ran it |
| 13:31.55 | jaggz | as my normal user and it went into gnome even though i configured the default in etc and my home to be kde |
| 13:31.58 | trewas | no, it requires very much effort to get anything out of zeroed hd |
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| 13:32.40 | mihaweb | trewas: but why not just use random? even if not 100% cryptographically strong random. /dev/urandom ? |
| 13:32.41 | trewas | SSDs might be different though |
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| 13:33.12 | jaggz | for most people zeros are secure enough.. random numbers are significantly better, but forensic techniques dint care |
| 13:33.44 | mihaweb | does making lvm encrypted partition at install actually fills every sector with encrypted bytes? |
| 13:33.51 | mihaweb | i remember there should be option for that |
| 13:34.01 | jaggz | even repeated writes are usually offset a tiny bit and the data recovered.. but it requires the same special forensic techniques to examine the adjacent charges |
| 13:34.06 | mihaweb | that's how all tutorials for android say you should do when you sell phone |
| 13:34.14 | trewas | mihaweb: sure, but urandom might be slower than just zeroing, if that matters |
| 13:34.23 | tugrik | calvinh: look at "wipe" and "dd" - and also look at "dban" online |
| 13:34.23 | jaggz | its possible probably to do without disassembling a drive too, |
| 13:34.36 | mihaweb | tugrik: yes i remember wipe |
| 13:34.42 | mihaweb | but that's for files |
| 13:34.47 | mihaweb | and might not work for ssd :D |
| 13:34.52 | tugrik | calvinh: also, the most important thing - what's the data on the disks? |
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| 13:36.38 | tugrik | calvinh: couple of other questions - what's your corporate security policy say, and are these real or virtual servers? You mention "cancelling a subscription"... |
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| 13:36.46 | petn-randall | Recovering bytes on a HDD after being overwritten is practically zero. It's because the densities of current drives are so high that there hardly is any 'residue' magnetism from the previous data. This used to be different 20+ years ago, but the urban legend still sticks. |
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| 13:38.43 | jaggz | petn-randall: but what about the super memory in the drives that stores everything forever? |
| 13:39.14 | jaggz | also you can monitor the nearest star clusters to get all the em emissions |
| 13:39.38 | tugrik | jaggz: depends on your threat model and if it includes NSA and/or aliens |
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| 13:40.11 | jaggz | silly. why would the nsa want my data? |
| 13:40.25 | jaggz | no.. aliens are the risk factor here |
| 13:40.28 | tugrik | depends who you are... |
| 13:40.45 | shingouz | or who they think you know... |
| 13:40.47 | tugrik | however is calvinh is asking here, I'm hoping the NSA aren't one of his adversaries ;) |
| 13:40.56 | Ormu | hey, if i want to change system-wide umask, should i enable pam_umask.so in a file, and which file? (/etc/pam.d/{login, common-session}?) |
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| 13:41.57 | Ormu | i get different answers via google, some suggest login and some common-session |
| 13:42.22 | jelly | Ormu: it depends on how your users log in, really |
| 13:42.38 | Ormu | via ssh, mostly |
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| 13:44.24 | mihaweb | petn-randall: there is hardly any magnetism when you actually have data written. you say it is physically impossible to have measurement that distinguish "residue" from background noise? or that you dont have access to such measurement? (and some might?) |
| 13:44.48 | mihaweb | petn-randall: remember, even some probability guess can recover some data |
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| 13:45.36 | mihaweb | petn-randall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project obviously much can be done if lots of money and hours are spent |
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| 13:46.13 | liqu|d | hey where do i get those non-free images again? |
| 13:47.00 | jelly | Ormu: well, then you may set it only for users that log in via ssh in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 13:47.11 | petn-randall | jaggz: Which super memory? Huh? |
| 13:47.55 | Ormu | jelly: i'd preferably set it for all users no matter how they login |
| 13:48.19 | jelly | Ormu: common-session seems reasonable as well, but I don't know what unintended consequences there may be |
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| 13:48.37 | trewas | mihaweb: to guess any meaningful amount of bits is so astromically improbable that it is not happening, unless you are osama bin pedophile and somebody is really enthusiastically after you |
| 13:48.42 | petn-randall | mihaweb: This is getting offtopic. If it's easier to bruteforce credentials or torture someone to give up the info, this mode of attack gets irrelevant. |
| 13:48.54 | liqu|d | anyone recall where i can get the non-free linux firmware for rt2870? |
| 13:49.28 | Ormu | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 13:49.52 | mihaweb | trewas: petn-randall sorry. you are right. |
| 13:49.52 | petn-randall | mihaweb: I think they had a 70% of reading a single bit right. Imagine how high the changes for a byte are, and then for something like 2048 bit gpg key. |
| 13:49.53 | tugrik | fair point petn-randall - calvinh - invite me to #debian-offtopic if you wanted to chat :) |
| 13:49.54 | jelly | Ormu: it will only work for services that actually have PAM support (so, if they log in say xdm on local console? No umask. Cron jobs? No umask -- /etc/pam.d/cron does not include common-session) |
| 13:50.05 | petn-randall | heads off to #debian-offtopic. |
| 13:50.13 | liqu|d | calvin__: you alive? |
| 13:51.14 | Ormu | jelly: hm... where is the default umask stored? hard-coded to kernel? |
| 13:51.53 | mihaweb | petn-randall: i am there now :) |
| 13:51.55 | jelly | Ormu: /sbin/init sets it, I believe. Child processes inherit it from parent. |
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| 13:55.03 | jelly | Ormu: technically, cron jobs really aren't run by "logged in" users. common-session is supposed to work for any interactive kind of session (console login, ssh, ftp), again providing the service actually uses PAM. |
| 13:55.47 | Ormu | jelly: maybe common-session is enough then, thanks |
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| 13:58.15 | m0de | liqu|d: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 13:59.58 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell liqu|d about firmware images |
| 14:00.27 | liqu|d | no i needed the link lol |
| 14:00.42 | liqu|d | so i logged back to my netbook hoping it logged the chat :) |
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| 14:03.23 | liqu|d | idk why but its downloading faster now lol |
| 14:04.19 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 14:04.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 14:10.22 | Ormu | is it so that if there is a directory like /dir1/dir2/dir3/... and i have full permissions to everything (dirs and files) except dir2 where i have no permissions, then i can't access *anything* inside dir2? |
| 14:10.29 | Ormu | tested and looks like so, but just to make sure... |
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| 14:14.06 | ChrisH | Ormu: thats what I expect it to be |
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| 14:22.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 14:22.28 | aaron83 | anyone here work with async cn2510 over debian make nport convertion modem zyxel, to COM using freeradius?? |
| 14:22.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am having trouble setting my $DISPLAY in my new desktop.. |
| 14:22.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | how is that suppose to work again? |
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| 14:23.04 | liqu|d | so i got the live cd to work with my wifi |
| 14:23.34 | liqu|d | do i just install now? |
| 14:23.45 | abrotman | m0de: yes |
| 14:23.53 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: to do what? |
| 14:24.00 | liqu|d | im m0de as well abrotman :) |
| 14:24.06 | abrotman | fail |
| 14:24.24 | liqu|d | i have two connections incase i needed to ask questions but irssi installed fine on the live cd |
| 14:24.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to start xclock, and glxinfo i dont think i got the right video drivers installed, |
| 14:24.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: are you trying to run them as root? |
| 14:25.07 | liqu|d | so i just install as normal now? |
| 14:25.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | nooo |
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| 14:25.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i need to? |
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| 14:25.49 | abrotman | you sohuldn't |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | liqu|d: that'd be ideal |
| 14:25.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 14:26.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope regualr user |
| 14:26.23 | m0de | i just didnt know if i had to do something special for the wifi\ |
| 14:26.30 | kovalan | i am trying to install software raid on a new debian install |
| 14:26.31 | m0de | it saw everything peachy :) |
| 14:26.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | its not changing |
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| 14:27.09 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: you're in a regular xterm, and the user you're trying to run it as is the one that is logged into X? |
| 14:27.10 | m0de | its doing the same thing when i install, fails to see the wifi card |
| 14:27.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | running guake but xterm isnt working either |
| 14:27.47 | abrotman | win 1 |
| 14:27.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope not working |
| 14:28.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i figure out my true screen and window for the :0.0 |
| 14:28.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i know i am setting it right and what is the proper command i am suppose to use google is full of crap on this. |
| 14:28.39 | abrotman | you sohuldn't need to set that |
| 14:28.45 | abrotman | if you can't run xterm, you're doing something wrong |
| 14:29.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | xterm runs i cant run a gui commands from the cli |
| 14:29.17 | abrotman | which CLI? |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | the xterm? or a VT? |
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| 14:29.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | a xterminal in X |
| 14:29.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | guake and xterm |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | Type "whoami" in the termal |
| 14:29.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | me user erin |
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| 14:30.10 | abrotman | would probably logout and try again |
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| 14:30.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | pretty sure thats not going to change anything |
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| 14:30.54 | m0de | so what now? |
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| 14:32.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol i mispelled display, |
| 14:32.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | now it changing but not working still i tried localhost and my hostname |
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| 14:35.09 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: echo $DISPLAY |
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| 14:36.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | echo $DISPLAY |
| 14:36.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | terreis.thrace.lan:0.0 |
| 14:36.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have tried verious combinations at this point |
| 14:36.20 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: if it's not the user who "started" X, you can use xauth and friends to set up permissions. Or copy the .Xauthority file from the user who started X. Changing the owner and group. And set the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY vars. |
| 14:36.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | including the :0.0 |
| 14:36.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am running lxde with gdm i believe.. checking ps |
| 14:37.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | gdm3 |
| 14:37.19 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: in that case gdm can bet setup to let users share the same X session |
| 14:37.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | shouldnt that start it as my user erin? |
| 14:37.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i havent changed users, or even logged in as a different user, |
| 14:38.13 | Shadow_7 | when you login it restarts X with that user, or I could be wrong. Otherwise it might be root or a nobody user. |
| 14:39.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 14:39.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i copeid out the .xauthority from annother machine.. maybe that is why.. |
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| 14:39.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | delted it and resttarting X |
| 14:39.28 | Shadow_7 | I use the xinit route aka startx, so not questions as to who did what to whom |
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| 14:41.00 | Shadow_7 | the .Xauthority should get replaced when X starts. Unless it has the wrong permissions, like owner:group being root:root because you did a cp as root |
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| 14:41.13 | m0de | how do i install from the live cd if it doesnt wanna see my wireless card?\ |
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| 14:42.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps that was it |
| 14:42.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol i am such a dork |
| 14:42.35 | Shadow_7 | m0de: have a usb drive with the drivers on it to install after booting? |
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| 14:42.37 | mtn | m0de: use a lan connection or you could try this installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 14:42.57 | m0de | mtn im on that cd now lol |
| 14:43.14 | COOOOOOOL | sup mode |
| 14:43.19 | mtn | m0de: what wifi chip? did you look at the wiki entry for it? |
| 14:43.21 | Shadow_7 | I generally do an install in a chroot via debootstrap and on another machine with networking. |
| 14:43.37 | mtn | m0de: that iso I showed you is not a live disk |
| 14:43.54 | m0de | abrotman: told me to get the live one |
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| 14:44.07 | abrotman | No, I absolutely did NOT |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | don't make things up |
| 14:44.14 | abrotman | I would never suggest that |
| 14:44.18 | Shadow_7 | I also have a wireless router that I ethernet into and it does the wifi bit. |
| 14:44.20 | m0de | somone did |
| 14:44.29 | mtn | heh |
| 14:44.36 | Shadow_7 | except for the hp stream 11 which has no ethernet port |
| 14:44.57 | abrotman | m0de: I've been telling you to use the same one mtn suggested above since last night, and you've been ignoring me repeatedly .. Good luck |
| 14:45.01 | xai | Hm. How to fix? â |
| 14:45.01 | xai | dpkg-source: error: binary package stanza libc-bin is using an obsolete Build-Profiles field syntax |
| 14:45.29 | xai | "Build-Profiles: !stage1" |
| 14:45.40 | m0de | i have that image but the live disc... how the hell am i suppose to do a netinstall when it wont connect to my wireless |
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| 14:47.47 | m0de | dont have a long enough ethernet cable |
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| 14:48.46 | petn-randall | m0de: The one mtn pointed out will likely work with your wireless .. |
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| 14:48.55 | mtn | m0de: get the netinstall as that link suggests and provides. |
| 14:49.59 | Walex | m0de: alternatively invest a few dollars into a supported WiFi USB dongle to bootstrap the process |
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| 14:50.56 | mtn | m0de: what is the actual name of the iso you used to burn your cd/dvd? |
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| 14:52.52 | m0de | wat u mean |
| 14:53.06 | The-Compiler | Where do I find the gcc manpage under Debian jessie? It seems it's not in the gcc package, and it's in manpages-ja and manpages-zh, but not manpages. |
| 14:53.18 | maxd | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 406 Not Acceptable |
| 14:53.24 | jelly | !tell m0de about firmware images |
| 14:53.32 | maxd | how can I solve this? |
| 14:53.34 | maxd | damn? this is new |
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| 14:54.04 | jelly | m0de: these debian-installer with firmware images ought to make wireless work at install time |
| 14:54.19 | mtn | m0de: you downloaded an iso, then made your boot disk. what iso did you download? |
| 14:54.36 | jelly | !tell The-Compiler about gcc-doc |
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| 14:54.45 | m0de | the live one |
| 14:54.53 | jelly | !tell The-Compiler about non-free sources |
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| 14:55.12 | mtn | m0de: EXACT name! |
| 14:55.24 | m0de | non-free+live |
| 14:55.36 | mtn | m0de: oh well. good luck. |
| 14:55.38 | jelly | m0de: can you paste the full URL which you downloaded? |
| 14:55.46 | jelly | that seems to be what mtn is asking |
| 14:55.55 | maxd | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 406 Not Acceptable |
| 14:56.03 | maxd | Usually this happens when the URL is incorrect, but it isn't. |
| 14:56.04 | mtn | sure, link or name, either one will do |
| 14:56.08 | maxd | So how does this come? |
| 14:56.09 | maxd | anyone? |
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| 14:56.13 | The-Compiler | The *GNU* cc manpage is non-free. That irony. |
| 14:56.24 | The-Compiler | jelly: thanks! |
| 14:56.40 | m0de | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.7.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 14:56.53 | jelly | huh, that one has firmware. |
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| 14:57.12 | jaggied | what mounts the filesystems in /etc/fstab? |
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| 14:57.32 | jaggied | I seem to have a race or other timing condition with mdadm.. with rc2.d/ it's S18mdadm |
| 14:57.39 | jaggied | I moved it to S02 |
| 14:57.41 | Shadow_7 | the init system.... sysv or systemd |
| 14:57.44 | m0de | im not on there anymore i rebooted to get the one you guys said |
| 14:57.52 | jelly | jaggied: mountall.sh init script, afair |
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| 14:58.24 | jaggied | there's no mountall.sh in rc2.d |
| 14:58.37 | jelly | jaggied: no, it's linked in rcS.d/ |
| 14:58.39 | jaggied | and 2 is the initdefault |
| 14:58.56 | jaggied | rcS? didn't know about that.. those go first? |
| 14:59.40 | aaron83 | debian netinst does not recognise into a gui advanced installation the secondary packages when i add a iso to boot with grub4dos |
| 14:59.58 | jelly | jaggied: yes, init(8) man page suggests so |
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| 15:00.30 | aaron83 | anyone boot debian iso using grub2dos?? |
| 15:00.35 | jelly | jaggied: is the relevant md array defined in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 15:00.42 | jaggied | ye |
| 15:00.43 | jaggied | s |
| 15:01.04 | jelly | jaggied: if you dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, can you choose that one to be started at boot? |
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| 15:01.07 | petn-randall | m0de: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/, don't use the live one. |
| 15:01.12 | jaggied | ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=26aa72e6:d8b85ea2:65b63621:45c0d892 name=de:0 |
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| 15:01.43 | jaggied | I'm not sure what that UUID references though. sda1 and sdb1 are mounted as /foo/ and then I have some symlinks (like /home -> /foo/home) |
| 15:02.15 | jaggied | last boot my tmp wasn't even mounted.. even though it's in fstab as tmpfs with 0 priority |
| 15:02.17 | jelly | uuid is the most important thing to identify a specific md array actually |
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| 15:02.44 | jaggied | I'm in irssi since X stopped running at start too |
| 15:03.08 | jaggied | what's the /dev/ path for uuids? I'd like to see what uuid's these drives are |
| 15:03.11 | m0de | petn-randall: im burning the new one now |
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| 15:03.22 | petn-randall | m0de: What is the new one? |
| 15:03.29 | m0de | the netinstall |
| 15:03.38 | Shadow_7 | how quaint... burning an iso image... |
| 15:03.39 | jaggied | mdstat shows the raid array as sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
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| 15:04.04 | jaggied | m0de: no usb sticks to write it to? |
| 15:04.05 | petn-randall | m0de: Link? The one you linked to isn't netinstall. |
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| 15:04.25 | jelly | jaggied: run "mdadm --examine --scan -v" to see what mdadm recognizes |
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| 15:04.35 | m0de | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:04.46 | m0de | jaggied: none that are free lol |
| 15:06.11 | Shadow_7 | m0de: doesn't have to be free technically. Just enough space to accommodate and a bootable linux. |
| 15:06.13 | jaggied | must be autodetected then.. mdadm shows the uuid of the raid array, but not of the individual drives |
| 15:06.20 | jaggied | blkid -o full shows the drives' uuid's |
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| 15:06.37 | Shadow_7 | m0de: aka mount -o loop and chroot... |
| 15:06.42 | jaggied | what's mdadm do to recognize it? examines all devices? |
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| 15:07.26 | jaggied | my mdadm.conf doesn't list any other uuid's but this one, which doesn't match any particular drive/partition: ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=26aa72e6:d8b85ea2:65b63621:45c0d892 name=de:0 |
| 15:07.29 | jaggied | (same line that I pasted a bit ago) |
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| 15:07.51 | jaggied | my boots sometimes go into single user mode.. sometimes they come up fine.. |
| 15:08.16 | jaggied | one single user mode boot put the raid array as md127.. most of the time it doesn't setup /dev/md0 or 127 at all.. |
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| 15:08.29 | jaggied | then I rebooted and it worked "fine" last time.. but X wouldn't start |
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| 15:09.14 | jelly | jaggied: it searches for and reads md-format metadata on all devices, yes |
| 15:10.06 | jaggied | interesting |
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| 15:10.25 | jaggied | mountall.sh has a line in mount_all_local mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs,gfs2,ceph \ |
| 15:10.52 | jaggied | I don't see ext* there.. is that weird? |
| 15:11.08 | jaggied | (it's in a function mount_all_local()) |
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| 15:12.05 | m0de | so the netinstall told me to enter the ssid manually and i did and it fails with the wpa handshake |
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| 15:12.20 | jaggied | regarding mdadm, so it scans the devices for meta data, which presumably contains the UUID of the md0 so it knows those devices form that raid array? |
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| 15:12.38 | jelly | jaggied: that's right. |
| 15:12.47 | jaggied | interesting |
| 15:12.53 | jaggied | m0de, grrr |
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| 15:13.01 | jaggied | m0de, any room for a password there? |
| 15:13.12 | jaggied | (the wifi pass) |
| 15:13.15 | m0de | i did my password |
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| 15:13.44 | jaggied | what's the fail message? you know the alternate console(s) for log output? |
| 15:14.11 | m0de | just says it failed to exchange keys |
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| 15:15.13 | m0de | the exchange of keys and association with the access point failed. please check the wpa/wpa2 parameters you provided |
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| 15:16.23 | jaggied | I've little experience in it.. have you made sure with an iwscan that you have good access? |
| 15:16.34 | jaggied | strong signal I mean |
| 15:17.00 | jaggied | I don't have those binaries on this system (wired in).. I think it was iwlist scanning or something |
| 15:17.03 | jaggied | see manpages |
| 15:17.05 | m0de | when i was on the live cd i was able to connect briefly |
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| 15:17.27 | jaggied | you don't want to install from the livecd? |
| 15:17.38 | m0de | same issue though |
| 15:18.03 | jaggied | you might want to mess around in a shell on the other terms |
| 15:18.18 | m0de | im gonna bbm my dad and ask for a 50 ft cable to hard wire till i can get my wireless working |
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| 15:18.27 | jaggied | I don't see you confirming if you're aware of those or not |
| 15:18.35 | jaggied | I guess you might have |
| 15:18.55 | m0de | i cant log in to a shell... im still in the install process |
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| 15:19.18 | jaggied | jelly: I didn't change mdadm.conf myself.. there was something about updateinitfs or something.. trying to find it on the web |
| 15:20.01 | petn-randall | m0de: At this point just go with the cable ... |
| 15:20.24 | jaggied | okay.. found some docs |
| 15:20.40 | jaggied | if I get booted into single-user mode again.. is there a way I can create some additional terms to do links and stuff? |
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| 15:21.12 | jaggied | m0de, cable makes it easier.. again, you really might want to mess with iwconfig and stuff yourself.. it's good practice |
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| 15:21.16 | m0de | petn-randall: i dont wanna run the cable all over my room... im in my living room and it would be in the waup loly for the way its set |
| 15:21.19 | jaggied | and it's really easy |
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| 15:22.17 | mihaweb | m0de: consider something like http://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/powerline/ ? :) |
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| 15:23.14 | m0de | thats cool |
| 15:23.27 | jaggied | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1993357 this person's also getting the md127 instead of md0 isue |
| 15:23.30 | jaggied | issue |
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| 15:23.52 | totte | I installed PHP-FPM and despite the user and group being set to "www-data" (by default) in its configuration the log file at /var/log/php5-fpm.log is owned by root:root. Is there a setting somewhere to make that root:adm and group-readable like most of the other logfiles are by default? |
| 15:24.40 | totte | This is Debian 7.7, by the way. |
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| 15:26.00 | m0de | YES! |
| 15:26.21 | m0de | im offtopic now lol |
| 15:26.32 | m0de | just got an email ive been waiting for lol |
| 15:27.45 | jaggied | what's this about HOMEHOST in mdadm.conf? mine is "<system>" |
| 15:28.11 | jaggied | I changed my hostname from some temp thing at install, "bar" to "foobar" |
| 15:28.30 | jaggied | never had these issues before.. but now i get weird errors with it unable to recognize the hostname foobar |
| 15:28.57 | jaggied | adds foobar to /etc/hosts |
| 15:29.22 | m0de | thanks for the help today guys... ill be back when i get the cable :) |
| 15:29.24 | jaggied | (the fqdn is not actually in our nameserver) |
| 15:29.33 | jaggied | m0de: fine, give up. be that way. |
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| 15:29.43 | jaggied | m0de, it can be much easier with a cable :) good luck |
| 15:30.01 | jaggied | hopefully wifi works after you get things installed :/ |
| 15:30.01 | m0de | i have to go to the office now and discuss my future job site :D |
| 15:30.15 | jaggied | :) |
| 15:30.16 | mihaweb | m0de: good luck and get very drunk afterwards! |
| 15:30.23 | m0de | i dont drink lol |
| 15:30.30 | mihaweb | "you do now" :D |
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| 15:39.30 | jaggied | how do you see full details of an md raid array? like the homehost set in the array |
| 15:39.40 | jaggied | I'd like to examine /dev/sda1 to see what it has in it.. |
| 15:40.02 | jaggied | e.g. the md's uuid, the homehost, etc. |
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| 15:41.22 | jaggied | let's just try rebooting.. wish me luck |
| 15:41.32 | epsilon | google for mdadm --examine |
| 15:41.47 | epsilon | and for simple status: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 15:42.04 | epsilon | ok, was not important i see |
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| 15:45.05 | superrorc | HI there! |
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| 15:47.36 | superrorc | have problem with ipsec (openswan 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1) on debian 7.7 |
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| 15:47.52 | superrorc | afte upgrade http://paste.debian.net/plain/137284 pluto dont autostart |
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| 15:48.05 | superrorc | wtf? |
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| 15:48.54 | jaggzed | booted |
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| 15:49.01 | jaggzed | maybe just update-initramfs -u was all I needed.. |
| 15:49.17 | jaggzed | I ran some smxi stuff that might have changed things and broken it. not that the raid array was changed |
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| 15:51.17 | COOOOOOOL | sup |
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| 16:04.24 | jaggzed | what's happening if alsamixer as root shows my desired device, with all its mixer channels, but as my normal user only shows me this one master volume (as a device called "(default)") |
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| 16:07.44 | jaggzed | looks like root doesn't recognize pulseaudio at all (pacmd list-cards) .. normal user does |
| 16:08.00 | xreal | How can I modify the bash package to not compile the docs? When backporting them to Wheezy, some fonts are missing... |
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| 16:08.23 | jaggzed | but as root I get all the mixers I'd want.. master headphone pcm front front-mic, etc. |
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| 16:11.03 | petn-randall | jaggzed: Is your user part of the audio group? |
| 16:11.09 | jaggzed | yes |
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| 16:11.55 | jaggzed | it seems the user has access to pulse audio.. root might be defaulting to something else |
| 16:12.15 | petn-randall | jaggzed: Are you logged in on the GUI with root? |
| 16:12.41 | jaggzed | aplay -l as root shows some errors: No protocol specified xcb_connection_has_error() returned true .. then it lists the same two devices that the normal user lists with aplay -l, but the normal user does it without errors |
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| 16:12.59 | jaggzed | no, X does start at boot, but I log in as my normal user. then I have two terminals up, one su'ed to root |
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| 16:13.23 | i00nsu | description: a machine boots and stop asking for root passwd. (passwd inserted) - # mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdaX / | telinit 3 ... Login ok.. This problem happens every time I boot the system. do you have any sugestions? |
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| 16:13.47 | SirLagz | i00nsu: is it asking for root password because it's telling you to do a fsck ? |
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| 16:14.24 | jaggzed | i00nsu look a bit up the screen for errors.. shift PgUp if you have to |
| 16:14.39 | jaggzed | don't change terminals (alt-f1) or you'll lose your scrollback history |
| 16:15.34 | jaggzed | petn-randall, I believe I need to somehow get pulseaudio to give me all the mixers for my device.. not yet sure how to do that |
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| 16:16.42 | i00nsu | SirLagz: with read filesystem On or RW filesystem state? |
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| 16:17.02 | COOOOOOOL | hi |
| 16:17.22 | SirLagz | i00nsu: eh ? |
| 16:17.47 | i00nsu | SirLagz: yes it ask for fsck |
| 16:18.00 | SirLagz | i00nsu: then you should probably do the fsck |
| 16:18.20 | i00nsu | ok.. now read again the last question |
| 16:18.36 | SirLagz | oh right. just do it with it as read only |
| 16:18.55 | i00nsu | obg +1 |
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| 16:20.27 | i00nsu | but I must tell.. even when I do that process to login, in minuts / filesystem back ro read-only.. that make the system very secure indeed - this was a clever joke? xD |
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| 16:21.30 | SirLagz | i00nsu: its probably making the filesystem more corrupt to lol |
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| 16:24.43 | ninti | have anyone time, to test some parameters for irssi with me? |
| 16:25.32 | ChrisH | i00nsu: filesystem corruption would explain all. run fsck after giving the root pw and NOT mount -o remount,rw |
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| 16:27.58 | COOOOOOOL | ninti: wat do you need help with |
| 16:28.22 | ninti | i test some options from irssi :) |
| 16:28.35 | COOOOOOOL | areu the maker of it |
| 16:28.50 | COOOOOOOL | what do u mean test some options |
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| 16:28.55 | COOOOOOOL | why does it need two people |
| 16:29.31 | ninti | i need only one :) give me a second |
| 16:29.45 | COOOOOOOL | what are you testing |
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| 16:30.26 | Alina-malina | hello all, i am getting attacked by some ip address, can someone please help me to block that ip address in firewall, i never did this before, i want it to be droped when try to access my resource |
| 16:31.06 | ninti | COOOOOOOL: i learning using irssi :) |
| 16:31.07 | ninti | some commands |
| 16:31.19 | ninti | exmpl: /window name hilight |
| 16:31.42 | ninti | your name dont want take for that |
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| 16:33.53 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.35 | ninti | i am sorry, i dont wanted talk here |
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| 16:34.54 | digdilem | Alina-malina, depends on the type of attack. fail2ban is useful if they're bruteforcing, for example |
| 16:34.58 | ninti | but i dont know wich channel i should join then |
| 16:35.12 | digdilem | ninti, just: /join nintis_channel |
| 16:35.16 | balleyne | Is there an easy way to install a low latency or RT kernel for Debian testing/jessie? I've seen people link to https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-rt-686-pae but the package doesn't seem to exist anymore... |
| 16:35.17 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: I use this simple script to manually block singe ips https://paste.debian.net/137288/ |
| 16:35.34 | Alina-malina | well i just did ths: iptables -I INPUT -s 77.232.152.116 -j DROP this nigga was stealing all my website witn (windows 98 httracker) |
| 16:36.00 | Alina-malina | hmmm how to unblock him later? |
| 16:36.07 | jaggzed | I can't get alsamixer to display my channels.. just one master channel |
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| 16:36.28 | jaggzed | if I hit F6 and pick the proper device, instead of (default), it works |
| 16:36.40 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, hmmm if i just use it exactly as it is on my firewall, will that work? |
| 16:37.20 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: do you use fail2ban too? |
| 16:37.27 | Alina-malina | i use nothing |
| 16:37.41 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: should work. At least it does for me. If you replace A with D it shopuld remove the block. and fail2ban would be another option |
| 16:37.42 | Alina-malina | hmmm for root bruteforceing you mean ? |
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| 16:38.10 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: ssh comes out of box yes, but you can configure it to search any log for patterns you don't like |
| 16:38.18 | ChrisH | fail2ban can react on all kinds of logfiles and patterns |
| 16:38.42 | Alina-malina | mihaweb, i think there is anti root blocking system, but i am never used that thing, i just blocket that ip address with simple command and it stop, but i am sure it will be back |
| 16:38.47 | Alina-malina | from another ip address |
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| 16:38.54 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: that's what fail2ban is for |
| 16:38.59 | balleyne | Alina-malina, fail2ban is an awesome and easy to use tool for this purpose, highly customizable too |
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| 16:39.19 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: what service do you need to protect? |
| 16:39.21 | Alina-malina | hmmmm need to look at it as soon as possible until they did not realize and come backto steal my website |
| 16:39.23 | balleyne | but also easy to just use some common pre-configured settings |
| 16:39.24 | Alina-malina | it is website |
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| 16:40.08 | balleyne | Alina-malina, are they just scanning the website, guessing at random URLs? Brute-forcing a login page? (sorry if I missed your initial description of the problem) |
| 16:40.12 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: ssh, ftp should work out of box, for your web admin you need to have it log failed attempts somewhere |
| 16:40.12 | Alina-malina | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.14 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-protect-apache-with-fail2ban (look at your logs and see what rules you could use) |
| 16:41.23 | mihaweb | there are lots of tutorials like this |
| 16:41.39 | Alina-malina | eh no time for this heh until this guy is locked |
| 16:41.52 | mihaweb | mkey |
| 16:43.31 | jaggzed | grr |
| 16:43.44 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: but you really should install fail2ban, to me it matters ssh bruteforce protection works without any configuration on my part |
| 16:43.54 | Alina-malina | mihaweb, i think it is installed there |
| 16:43.57 | mihaweb | ok |
| 16:44.08 | Alina-malina | but i am not sure if it is configured for attack copiing |
| 16:44.18 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: tail -f /var/log/fail2ban.log |
| 16:44.20 | Alina-malina | now it attacks from 2 websites |
| 16:44.22 | mihaweb | see what it does :) |
| 16:44.35 | Alina-malina | no such file or directory |
| 16:44.36 | Alina-malina | :-/ |
| 16:44.41 | Alina-malina | should i install it now? |
| 16:44.53 | Alina-malina | apt-get install fail2ban? |
| 16:44.54 | mihaweb | probably |
| 16:44.59 | mihaweb | 2014-12-18 04:57:24,632 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Unban 1.93.30.188 2014-12-18 05:01:23,883 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Unban 174.123.211.66 2014-12-18 07:06:24,692 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Ban 138.91.38.134 2014-12-18 07:16:25,328 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Unban 138.91.38.134 |
| 16:45.01 | mihaweb | i like :p |
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| 16:45.14 | Alina-malina | mihaweb, tell me please, if i install it should i preconfigure it? |
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| 16:45.49 | mihaweb | it is already configured to protect ssh and probably ftp too |
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| 16:45.55 | Alina-malina | no i mean http? |
| 16:46.14 | balleyne | Alina-malina, I usually `apt-get install fail2ban python-gamin` (python-gamin allows fail2ban to monitor files without polling) |
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| 16:46.34 | Alina-malina | hmmm |
| 16:46.50 | balleyne | Alina-malina, then, you need to configure some jails in /etc/fail2ban/jail.local -- I can send you my basic config if you want |
| 16:47.10 | Alina-malina | heh yes sure, please help me configure it, |
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| 16:47.29 | Alina-malina | so install 2 things fail2ban and pythongamein? |
| 16:47.34 | Alina-malina | what that python game does? |
| 16:47.37 | mihaweb | balleyne: i am interested in the config too, for future reference, thank you :) |
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| 16:48.05 | balleyne | Alina-malina, python-gamin allows fail2ban to monitor files without polling |
| 16:48.16 | Alina-malina | polling? |
| 16:49.37 | Alina-malina | ok i have installed it |
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| 16:50.52 | balleyne | Alina-malina, mihaweb: my *very* basic jail.local http://paste.debian.net/137290/ -- just sets up some SSH, Postfix and Dovecot jails (remove any that you don't need) |
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| 16:51.41 | Alina-malina | balleyne, may this thing block my users from seeing websites? i dont understand how this thing really works, can you give me few words of explainaitoin please? |
| 16:51.54 | mihaweb | i wonder if there is any good way to use fail2ban to protect mysql? |
| 16:52.03 | mihaweb | i need to have some databases open |
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| 16:52.23 | balleyne | Alina-malina, re: polling, I believe the default polling method means it just keeps checking a file to see if there are updates, but with python-gamin it's smarter in monitor files for changes |
| 16:52.53 | petn-randall | mihaweb: Why does MySQL have to be accessible from the internet? |
| 16:52.57 | balleyne | Alina-malina, first sentence from http://www.fail2ban.org/ "Fail2ban scans log files (e.g. /var/log/apache/error_log) and bans IPs that show the malicious signs -- too many password failures, seeking for exploits, etc." |
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| 16:53.38 | balleyne | mihaweb, what petn-randall said: best way to protect MySQL first is to only make it accessible locally, unless you have a specific reason to allow remote connections |
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| 16:53.58 | mihaweb | i need it remote yes. probably should establish vpn for that. |
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| 16:54.09 | Alina-malina | but my website has lots of visitors and there are tons of pics they are requesting it all the time and google bots etc |
| 16:54.23 | balleyne | Alina-malina, basically, fail2ban monitors log files for various services, and can automatically ban IPs for a specified period of time based on matching patterns in the log files |
| 16:54.30 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: but that is not hacking |
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| 16:54.49 | superrorc | anybody wave open swan on debian? |
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| 16:54.54 | balleyne | Alina-malina, my default config doesn't touch Apache, it's just monitoring OpenSSH, Postfix, Dovecot -- things you might want fail2ban for anyways |
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| 16:55.07 | Alina-malina | oh thank you very much |
| 16:55.19 | balleyne | Alina-malina, what software does your website run on? Is it PHP? WordPress? Ruby? |
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| 16:55.33 | mihaweb | Alina-malina: if you have problems with load 1. try to use caching server in front (such as nginx) , 2. for large loads consider some CDN like http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ |
| 16:55.49 | petn-randall | mihaweb: Yeah, or whitelist IPs on the firewall. You definitely don't want MySQL reachable by the world. |
| 16:55.58 | Alina-malina | well i dont have problems with loading, i just want to block that guy that i already di wti 2 ip addresses blocking |
| 16:56.01 | mihaweb | petn-randall: yup |
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| 16:56.44 | Alina-malina | balleyne, do i need to put that configurations into jail.conf? file? |
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| 16:56.57 | superrorc | just switching to stable and uptodate distr ubuntu |
| 16:56.57 | jamesc | g |
| 16:57.01 | superrorc | debian is suck? |
| 16:57.35 | mihaweb | superrorc: you are too cutting edge for debian. |
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| 16:58.05 | superrorc | if i upgrade it my vpn stop workjin |
| 16:58.11 | superrorc | working* |
| 16:58.17 | petn-randall | superrorc: Can you provide logs of the problem? |
| 16:58.19 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 16:58.19 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 16:58.21 | balleyne | Alina-malina, /etc/fail2ban/jail.local (replacing the parts with your email address, and removing jails you don't need enabled) |
| 16:58.35 | balleyne | Alina-malina, then, run `service fail2ban reload` to reload configuration |
| 16:58.45 | Alina-malina | balleyne, there is no such file jail.local do i need to create it? |
| 16:58.45 | petn-randall | superrorc: How far did you get debugging the problem? |
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| 16:58.50 | superrorc | writes a lot of times.. and ok, again. |
| 16:58.52 | superrorc | 20:47:38] <superrorc> have problem with ipsec (openswan 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1) on debian 7.7 |
| 16:58.53 | superrorc | [20:47:54] <superrorc> afte upgrade http://paste.debian.net/plain/137284 pluto dont autostart |
| 16:58.55 | balleyne | Alina-malina, yes |
| 16:58.59 | Alina-malina | oh ok thanks, let me try this |
| 16:59.09 | petn-randall | superrorc: That is a list of upgrades, that is not a problem description. |
| 16:59.16 | balleyne | Alina-malina, and once you've reloaded configuration, you can then run `fail2ban-client status` to confirm that it's running with various jails enabled |
| 16:59.33 | Alina-malina | oh |
| 16:59.37 | superrorc | after i installed it - pluto daemon dont atostart |
| 16:59.55 | petn-randall | superrorc: And did you check the logs? |
| 17:00.14 | superrorc | yep. no errors |
| 17:00.20 | petn-randall | superrorc: Did you overwrite config on upgrade? Is it still configured to autostart? |
| 17:00.45 | petn-randall | superrorc: What happens if you start it manually? |
| 17:00.49 | superrorc | no. on working server just execut aptitute upgrade |
| 17:01.01 | superrorc | if i star tmanualy - ITS WORKS |
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| 17:01.12 | superrorc | lise - service ipsec start |
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| 17:01.16 | superrorc | lke* |
| 17:01.18 | superrorc | like* |
| 17:01.19 | superrorc | sor |
| 17:02.13 | petn-randall | superrorc: What does /var/log/bootlogd say regarding that service? |
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| 17:02.29 | petn-randall | err ... boot.log |
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| 17:02.34 | xreal | How can I modify the bash package to not compile the docs? When backporting them to Wheezy, some fonts are missing... |
| 17:02.47 | superrorc | just writing openswan starting.. , than must be a string with seccessfule start |
| 17:02.50 | superrorc | but no |
| 17:02.55 | superrorc | nithing errors |
| 17:03.13 | superrorc | nothing* |
| 17:03.34 | petn-randall | superrorc: What does /var/log/daemon.log say regarding openswan? |
| 17:03.48 | Alina-malina | balleyne, i am probably asking too many questions, but please can you tell me what i should put in dest=youremailaddress@domain.tld and senderfail2ban@yourserver.hostname.tld :) please |
| 17:04.22 | petn-randall | xreal: Why are you trying to backport bash? |
| 17:04.26 | petn-randall | ,v bash |
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| 17:04.26 | judd | Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; squeeze-security-lts: 4.1-3+deb6u2; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; sid: 4.3-11+b1 |
| 17:04.27 | superrorc | petn-randall: superrorc> just writing openswan starting.. , than must be a string with seccessfule start |
| 17:04.27 | superrorc | [22:02:52] <superrorc> but no |
| 17:04.46 | jamesc | any one comiled and run vrrpd on debian successfully? |
| 17:04.46 | petn-randall | superrorc: What does that mean? I don't understand the sentence. |
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| 17:04.58 | petn-randall | ,v vrrpd |
| 17:04.59 | judd | Package: vrrpd on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0-2; squeeze: 1.0-2; jessie: 1.0-2; sid: 1.0-2 |
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| 17:05.06 | superrorc | ok, will providing logs now |
| 17:05.07 | xreal | petn-randall: a nasty unicode-bug got fixed in v4.3, which annoys me. |
| 17:05.09 | superrorc | sec pls |
| 17:05.17 | xreal | petn-randall: please don't ask such questions, they don't help |
| 17:05.49 | petn-randall | xreal: Just making sure. Some people want to backport stuff because they heard that a security bug needs to get fixed that way. |
| 17:05.56 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport bash |
| 17:05.57 | judd | Backporting package bash in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 17:06.16 | petn-randall | xreal: Which fonts are missing? It should backport fine. |
| 17:06.20 | xreal | petn-randall: build-dependencies aren't a problem here, when building the docs, fonts are missing. |
| 17:06.27 | xreal | petn-randall: Please wait, I'm recompiling it. |
| 17:06.38 | balleyne | Alina-malina, for dest, it should be an email address that you'd want to receive fail2ban notifications at |
| 17:06.55 | balleyne | Alina-malina, for sender, that's just an email address which the emails will be addressed from |
| 17:07.01 | jamesc | how can I tell what version of debian I am running wheezy/squeeze etc? |
| 17:07.07 | xreal | petn-randall: let me dump logs for you |
| 17:07.13 | balleyne | Alina-malina, basically, "dest" is like the "To" field and "sender" is "From" for notification emails |
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| 17:07.15 | Alina-malina | balleyne, yes but should i put there the servers ip address or something? or just fail2ban@example.com will be ok? |
| 17:07.23 | balleyne | jamesc, `cat /etc/issue`? |
| 17:07.48 | petn-randall | xreal: http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:08.00 | xreal | petn-randall: yop, please wait. takes some minutes. |
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| 17:08.07 | balleyne | Alina-malina, my actual value for "sender" is "fail2ban@alleyneinc.net" -- alleyneinc.net being the primary domain of my employer |
| 17:08.13 | jamesc | balleyne: thanks I get Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l a bit cryptic |
| 17:08.15 | petn-randall | xreal: No prob, I'll wait here. :) |
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| 17:08.28 | balleyne | jamesc, Debian 7 is Wheezy, Wheezy is the codename |
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| 17:08.35 | jamesc | thanks |
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| 17:09.08 | balleyne | jamesc, https://www.debian.org/releases/ is an official list, or the Debian wikipedia article is a good quick reference for codenames / version numbers as well |
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| 17:10.01 | Alina-malina | balleyne, Reloading authentication failure monitor: fail2ban failed! |
| 17:10.35 | superrorc | petn-randall: here is my log http://paste.debian.net/plain/137295 |
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| 17:11.15 | superrorc | nothing intresting and usefull |
| 17:11.21 | balleyne | Alina-malina, do you want to paste me your jail.local configuration at http://paste.debian.net? |
| 17:11.35 | balleyne | Alina-malina, also, are you running Postfix and/or Dovecot? If not, did you remove those sections? |
| 17:11.42 | Alina-malina | oh |
| 17:11.57 | petn-randall | superrorc: Is this log from boot? Does the openswan stop again? |
| 17:12.38 | superrorc | yep its my var log daemon |
| 17:12.47 | superrorc | no. its not stoped again |
| 17:12.48 | Alina-malina | balleyne, yes i disable those and it worked heh thank you so much |
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| 17:15.06 | balleyne | Alina-malina, np :) So, for clarity, what you have left in jail.local just sets it up for a few SSH jails, to prevent brute force attacks for example (bans IPs for a period of time if there are too many failed password attempts for SSH) |
| 17:15.19 | superrorc | petn-randall: all normal, just without message - after ipsec_setup: Using NETKEY(XFRM) stack - Openswan IPsec started |
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| 17:15.37 | Alina-malina | balleyne, yes i like nt, now i need to figure out something to prevent stealing website pics |
| 17:15.47 | balleyne | Alina-malina, if your website is running WordPress for example, there are WordPress/fail2ban jails that you could set up to prevent brute force password attemts on WordPress (by scanning the Apache logs for failed WordPress login attempts I guess) |
| 17:15.49 | Alina-malina | balleyne, maybe some alert so it notify me |
| 17:15.50 | Alina-malina | php |
| 17:15.55 | Alina-malina | it is bulletin board |
| 17:16.11 | xreal | petn-randall: your pastie suxx :) Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB |
| 17:16.14 | petn-randall | superrorc: Dec 18 21:37:08 orcmachine ipsec_setup: ...Openswan IPsec stopped |
| 17:16.16 | balleyne | Alina-malina, what do you mean by "stealing" website pics? |
| 17:16.31 | Alina-malina | balleyne, well they are making 1:1 copy i think for offline browsing it or i dont know, to make a copy of it |
| 17:16.33 | Alina-malina | or whatever |
| 17:16.44 | Alina-malina | httrack is an offline website browser |
| 17:16.47 | superrorc | petn-randall: its coz ipsec restart executed from rc.local |
| 17:17.10 | superrorc | to clean pluto |
| 17:17.12 | Alina-malina | so i block 1 ip address they change their ip to some spain location, i blocked that one as well, now i am watching logs, and i cant find any visual pattersns yet |
| 17:17.13 | petn-randall | xreal: Yeah, ask your publisher if you need to distribute a novel. :P |
| 17:17.13 | xreal | petn-randall: http://fpaste.org/161026/23015141/ |
| 17:17.30 | balleyne | Alina-malina, oh. Notification over ban then maybe, because how would you differentiate from a legitimate user using an offline browser versus something malicious? (i.e. what's the problem? bandwidth?) |
| 17:18.00 | Alina-malina | well i dont know, i just dont want another copy of website |
| 17:18.23 | petn-randall | superrorc: So does daemon.log or boot.log show it being started at boot at all? If not, check if it's configured to do so in the in config, and in your runlevel. |
| 17:18.55 | Alina-malina | balleyne, i become a log reader:))) it is so fast running but i can determine patterns because that bot goes throuh many many links and trying to acess the pics on pages, plus it uses some stupid useragent names i dont know |
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| 17:19.49 | superrorc | petn-randall: its configured perfect. works nicely. stop works after intalling updates.. |
| 17:20.03 | superrorc | petn-randall: rullevls already checked |
| 17:20.16 | balleyne | Alina-malina, would you block the Internet Archive? From creating another copy of the website in the Wayback machine at archive.org? Just not sure what the problem is if they're just downloading pictures! But fail2ban might help if you can identify a log pattern |
| 17:20.43 | petn-randall | superrorc: From which package to which are you upgrading? |
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| 17:21.05 | xreal | petn-randall: I don't want docs at all. |
| 17:21.18 | superrorc | petn-randall: [20:47:54] <superrorc> afte upgrade http://paste.debian.net/plain/137284 pluto dont autostart |
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| 17:21.43 | petn-randall | superrorc: Reread what I wrote, that doesn't answer my question. Which version numbers? |
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| 17:23.15 | superrorc | petn-randall: provide with dpkg -l | grep packeg ? and aptitude version packeg ? |
| 17:23.43 | petn-randall | xreal: Would know that from the top of my head. Check debian/rules for details. But does it build fine? If so, just don't install the bash-doc.deb. |
| 17:23.47 | Alina-malina | balleyne, well, can i make a pattern of windows98 htttracker to block those and libreoffice useragents? |
| 17:23.51 | petn-randall | superrorc: apt-cache policy openswan |
| 17:24.02 | xreal | petn-randall: no, it can't finish, since the docs can't be built. |
| 17:24.28 | xreal | petn-randall: there is no rule in debian/rules to turn off building docs. |
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| 17:24.46 | xreal | petn-randall: building 4.2 from wheezy isn't a problem at all, I think the package is buggy |
| 17:24.58 | superrorc | petn-randall: ty , here http://paste.debian.net/plain/137296 |
| 17:25.06 | balleyne | Alina-malina, probably, yeah! with fail2ban, you point it at a log file, identify a pattern with a regular expression, and then set up the jail for an action to occur when that pattern is found however many times you set... I haven't actually configured any custom jails myself yet, but many other people do |
| 17:25.47 | Alina-malina | balleyne, ok i think i need to do this on localhost, to not break anything, thank you so much for helping me, you saved me from later troubles, i will go to read a little and train locally on this fail2ban, looks like it is my only saviour, thank you so much!!!! |
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| 17:28.37 | Alina-malina | balleyne, eh again thank you so much for your help! I feel now much safer for root breaking, because i look logs and there loooks like were attempts to bruteforce it, thanks alot!! |
| 17:29.27 | balleyne | Alina-malina, np! fail2ban is a life saver :) |
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| 17:30.05 | xreal | petn-randall: FINALLY !!!!!!!!! |
| 17:30.27 | xreal | petn-randall: One of these were missing: apt-get install texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-latex-recommended |
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| 17:31.32 | xreal | Building docs takes more dependencies than building an app... |
| 17:31.32 | superrorc | petn-randall: ty for u time. my friend have same config ipsec on ubuntu and works perfect.. no time to switching =) |
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| 17:31.52 | superrorc | now* |
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| 17:32.17 | Geraldus | Hi friends! |
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| 17:32.38 | superrorc | hi! |
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| 17:33.48 | Geraldus | I have manually installed latest nvidia-driver taken from nvidia website, and now I want to downgrade it to stable nvidia-dkms driver |
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| 17:34.27 | Geraldus | I suppose I should remove current driver by hand first? |
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| 17:34.34 | superrorc | yep |
| 17:34.41 | superrorc | than is it |
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| 17:35.16 | superrorc | bad eng =D |
| 17:35.24 | superrorc | like monkey, sry |
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| 17:40.37 | superrorc | debian and ubuntu - its like xp and 7 ? =D |
| 17:41.11 | pingfloyd | Only it is nothing alike :P |
| 17:41.34 | superrorc | =D i see |
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| 17:41.42 | jelly | superrorc: it's like pie and cake |
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| 17:42.28 | pingfloyd | Like pie and the great pyramids |
| 17:42.33 | superrorc | pie is homemadeed? =D |
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| 17:42.59 | superrorc | and not so teasy than cake? |
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| 17:43.11 | superrorc | coz cake > pie |
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| 17:47.12 | frankS2 | Anyone here use monit and know why this wont start?: http://pastie.org/private/s4ue421zhjmsk3tahghqa |
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| 17:47.29 | frankS2 | (WOnt start as specified user) |
| 17:47.47 | N3sh | Hello! Is this the right channel for asking for help with installing Debian on my macbook? |
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| 17:48.04 | superrorc | N3sh: use ubuntu ;) |
| 17:48.10 | N3sh | :/ |
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| 17:48.33 | N3sh | I don't really like Ubuntu, tbh and I want Debian :P |
| 17:48.35 | superrorc | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook |
| 17:48.45 | superrorc | =D same |
| 17:48.57 | superrorc | but now i will prefer ubuntu |
| 17:49.18 | N3sh | I installed it and I got stuck at 'waiting for /dev to be fully populated' |
| 17:49.18 | superrorc | coz afet simple apt-get update - some services are dont works |
| 17:49.34 | N3sh | mmm I see |
| 17:49.44 | superrorc | *upgrade i mean |
| 17:49.49 | N3sh | if there are some programs which work for debain |
| 17:49.50 | N3sh | debian} |
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| 17:49.58 | N3sh | can I assume that I can make them work for Ubuntu too? |
| 17:50.11 | superrorc | yep |
| 17:50.15 | N3sh | alright |
| 17:50.19 | superrorc | always can build from source |
| 17:50.19 | superrorc | ) |
| 17:50.20 | N3sh | any specific version? |
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| 17:50.28 | superrorc | any version |
| 17:50.33 | N3sh | mine is a macbook 3,1 (late 2007) |
| 17:50.37 | N3sh | alright ;) |
| 17:50.40 | superrorc | ) |
| 17:50.40 | N3sh | let's try :D |
| 17:50.44 | superrorc | hf |
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| 17:52.55 | N3sh | another question superrorc |
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| 17:53.00 | N3sh | while installing Debian |
| 17:53.07 | N3sh | GRUB got also installed |
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| 17:53.13 | N3sh | and now I can't seem to be able to boot mac :/ |
| 17:53.39 | superrorc | grub dont detect osx? |
| 17:53.59 | N3sh | wait let me see now |
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| 17:54.32 | N3sh | ok, what happened is that GRUB was put in priority 0, skipping rEFIt |
| 17:54.38 | N3sh | running it from refit it works |
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| 17:54.43 | N3sh | from GRUB it doesn;t |
| 17:54.48 | donileo | hey guys.. why would bind not listen on a specified ip (local) yet when i restart it then it will listen to it |
| 17:55.12 | N3sh | maybe it wants you to restart? |
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| 17:55.22 | donileo | i restarted the box like 10 times |
| 17:55.34 | donileo | it never binds on the listen-address i specify |
| 17:55.39 | donileo | when i sudo service bind restart then it does |
| 17:55.48 | brokencycle | hi |
| 17:55.53 | superrorc | N3sh: havnt exp with awesome apples oss.. but grub must detect all u os's |
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| 17:56.04 | N3sh | it detects it |
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| 17:56.12 | N3sh | it just doesn't run it |
| 17:56.16 | superrorc | ok, and dont boot? |
| 17:56.23 | N3sh | nope |
| 17:56.24 | superrorc | some logs? |
| 17:56.28 | N3sh | through rEFIt it works |
| 17:56.32 | N3sh | yeah, some crazy numbers |
| 17:56.34 | N3sh | and then stuck |
| 17:56.38 | N3sh | let me retry |
| 17:56.52 | superrorc | sor i cant help u... |
| 17:56.57 | brokencycle | how many lines are supposed to be in "gpg --armor --export my-key-id" (ballpark figure)? |
| 17:57.13 | N3sh | it lets me decide between mac x in 32b and 64b :P |
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| 17:57.35 | N3sh | now trying with 32b, let's see |
| 17:57.37 | bbtech | I'm not sure what I should do to resolve the issue of a few missing packages, advice? http://pastebin.com/CPpZh2Cg |
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| 17:58.30 | N3sh | bbtech, probably try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:59.01 | N3sh | it should resolve those problems, if not, try to remove the incorrect locations |
| 17:59.14 | N3sh | superrorc: booting it as 32b works. Weird! |
| 17:59.48 | superrorc | =D |
| 17:59.53 | brokencycle | my old key had ~30 lines, the new one has > 2000 lines - that feels *wrong* |
| 17:59.55 | superrorc | just its a debian |
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| 18:00.33 | bbtech | N3sh, I don't get it why is apt-get wanting to upgrade different things than aptitude? |
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| 18:01.59 | bbtech | N3sh, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kyMrUBuR |
| 18:02.13 | N3sh | bbtech: the problem seems that you added some source manually (I guess) and now they are not working anymore or that you are upgrading using old data |
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| 18:02.33 | N3sh | then go for it |
| 18:02.40 | N3sh | yours is not a major problem, just 404's |
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| 18:02.55 | N3sh | cannot find the stuff, for whatever reason, bbtch |
| 18:03.02 | bbtech | N3sh, yeah, I forgot to update aptitude |
| 18:03.18 | N3sh | ;) |
| 18:03.44 | bbtech | N3sh, thanks! |
| 18:04.13 | N3sh | no problem, bbtech :) |
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| 18:05.26 | brokencycle | can someone please help me out? |
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| 18:10.28 | superrorc | brokencycle: /msg dpkg ask |
| 18:11.53 | brokencycle | superrorc: i asked the question already, around 17:57 |
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| 18:12.08 | superrorc | =D |
| 18:12.28 | superrorc | if u havnt got anwer after 2 hours ask again |
| 18:12.35 | brokencycle | oki |
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| 18:29.31 | donileo | anyone? |
| 18:29.34 | rubas | Hi guys, I miss Debian, but one question, does Counter Strike GO work on Debian? |
| 18:30.02 | petn-randall | donileo: Anyone what? |
| 18:30.06 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 18:30.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:30.15 | donileo | i have bind set to listen to an internal ip yet it doesnt |
| 18:30.21 | petn-randall | rubas: You'll have to ask the vendor if they support Debian. |
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| 18:30.29 | donileo | initially it does not.. when i do sudo service bind restart it does |
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| 18:31.16 | Marezz | hello guys |
| 18:31.22 | Yoshi1 | oh you have to use chown on a /dev/ on a /media |
| 18:31.34 | Marezz | does debian stock kernel contain proprietary blobs? |
| 18:31.34 | petn-randall | donileo: Is the interface up when bind tries to bind to it? |
| 18:31.39 | Yoshi1 | not on a /media\ |
| 18:31.43 | petn-randall | Marezz: no. |
| 18:31.47 | donileo | petn-randall how do i check that? |
| 18:32.03 | donileo | because when i log in to the box and do a ifconfig i see the interface there |
| 18:32.09 | twinkie | debianis on my phone via gnuroot |
| 18:32.21 | twinkie | its nice |
| 18:32.22 | donileo | but maybe bind is attempting a split second before the interface is up or something |
| 18:32.24 | petn-randall | donileo: Does bind run not at all, or does it listen to the wildcard address instead? |
| 18:32.31 | donileo | bind is running |
| 18:32.37 | petn-randall | donileo: Which release of Debian/bind are you running? |
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| 18:32.48 | donileo | im using ubuntuu |
| 18:32.55 | donileo | 14.04 |
| 18:32.57 | twinkie | i love debian pc is broke |
| 18:33.18 | petn-randall | donileo: Then you're in the wrong channel. Head off to #ubuntu :) |
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| 18:33.23 | donileo | hmm. ok.. thanks |
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| 18:33.54 | jelly-home | dpkg: possibly #ubuntu-server if you're running services for someone |
| 18:33.54 | dpkg | jelly-home: i don't know |
| 18:34.00 | jelly-home | ehhh |
| 18:35.28 | rubas | petn-randall: Ok I'll just ask steam |
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| 18:35.49 | rubas | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 18:51.59 | ROG3R | How do I update my Pidgin? |
| 18:52.21 | N3sh | superrorc: I DLd ubuntu for my mac and used unetbootin and it doesn't see it as bootable... |
| 18:52.29 | chatterboi | ubuntu for my mac and used unetbootin |
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| 18:52.41 | N3sh | same procedure with Debian and that was recognized |
| 18:52.58 | N3sh | I have no idea :/ |
| 18:54.42 | N3sh | chatterboi: did you do something special? |
| 18:54.56 | N3sh | I got rEFIt and I managed to boot a Debian installer earlier |
| 18:55.00 | chatterboi | cannot boot properly |
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| 18:55.27 | N3sh | did it work or not? :P |
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| 19:04.17 | hatoon | can someone help me install the wireless bcm43142 |
| 19:04.25 | hatoon | thanks |
| 19:04.43 | hatoon | bcm 43142 broadcom |
| 19:04.53 | N3sh | apt-get install bcm43142? |
| 19:05.00 | hatoon | not |
| 19:05.43 | fiveghz | how long does it typically take to have a mirror approved once submitted? |
| 19:06.05 | hatoon | is not as simple as that fellow! |
| 19:06.06 | chatterboi | woot! |
| 19:06.14 | gnudna | hatoon apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 19:07.02 | hatoon | I will try gnudna? |
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| 19:07.22 | gnudna | or possibly firmware-brcm80211 - Binary firmware for Broadcom 802.11 wireless cards |
| 19:07.36 | gnudna | but im pretty sure it is the first package mentioned |
| 19:07.57 | ambro718 | Hi, this is a stupid question: How do I install git in Debian 7.7.0? "apt-get install git-core" fails with "git-core has no installation candidate" |
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| 19:08.28 | fiveghz | ambro718 did you try apt-get install git? |
| 19:08.32 | hatoon | gnudna, package not found ? |
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| 19:08.42 | gnudna | hatoon |
| 19:08.43 | ambro718 | fiveghz: yes, that fails with "Unable to locate package git". |
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| 19:08.47 | gnudna | you need contrib repo's |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | ,v git-core |
| 19:09.04 | judd | Package: git-core on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; sid: 1:2.1.3-1; jessie: 1:2.1.3-1; experimental: 1:2.1.3+next.20141103-1 |
| 19:09.12 | gnudna | in /etc/apt/sources you need to add contrib and non-free in some cases |
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| 19:09.26 | hatoon | ok |
| 19:09.41 | gnudna | example deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 19:09.50 | jelly-home | gnudna: git-core is in main. |
| 19:10.07 | jelly-home | ambro718: show your sources.list in a pastebin, please |
| 19:10.14 | gnudna | jelly i was answering hatoon |
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| 19:10.32 | jelly-home | oops, sorry |
| 19:10.41 | gnudna | no worries |
| 19:11.58 | ambro718 | here's my sources: http://ideone.com/UJ1XPG . I would really like someone to just tell me what to write here please ;) |
| 19:12.18 | hatoon | gnudna, you have a model source.list? |
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| 19:12.54 | gnudna | it's more or less standard for geographic area |
| 19:13.08 | hatoon | ok |
| 19:13.14 | gnudna | but if you want hold on let me pastebin something for you |
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| 19:15.43 | WangDang | I'm getting a "connect (111: connection refused)" message when I try to use a package cache. The fire wall is wide open. Can anyone suggest why else the connection might be refused if it's not the firewall? |
| 19:16.14 | gnudna | hatoon http://pastebin.com/ueVyUSWf |
| 19:16.17 | chatterboi | gnudna please kick |
| 19:16.41 | gnudna | i also added backports in case your interested |
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| 19:16.46 | gnudna | chatterboi ? |
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| 19:18.34 | gnudna | ambro718 look at the pastebin i posted |
| 19:18.42 | chatterboi | banned me pastebin something for you |
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| 19:18.43 | gnudna | it will answer your question |
| 19:19.02 | ambro718 | gnudna: thanks it works |
| 19:19.12 | chatterboi | long does it typically take to have a cloak please? |
| 19:19.31 | jelly-home | chatterboi: you're in #debian. No cloaks offered here. |
| 19:20.04 | fiveghz | how long does it typically take to have a mirror approved once submitted? |
| 19:20.13 | gnudna | not sure what your saying chatterboi |
| 19:20.22 | gnudna | i see no paste from anybody towards me |
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| 19:20.55 | jelly-home | gnudna: think you can ignore the comment from chatterboi, looks addressed for a different channel |
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| 19:21.23 | gnudna | ambro718 just keep in mind what i pasted can use proprietary drivers |
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| 19:21.42 | gnudna | i figured jelly-home but i was trying to be polite in case of lang barrier |
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| 19:22.02 | jelly-home | gnudna: in fact, I think it's a bot |
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| 19:23.22 | gnudna | wow could have passed the turing test |
| 19:23.25 | gnudna | hehe |
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| 19:23.47 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to mount a cifs drive. I have managed to do it by doing $ mount -t cifs //ip/files drive/ -o username=blabla,password=blabla. But if I try to replace ip by the domain name then I get the error "mount bad option...". The command is basically: mount -t cifs //domain.name.bla.bla/files |
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| 19:23.57 | cantoma | can someone advice what might went wrong |
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| 19:24.25 | cantoma | I can ping the domain name and I am getting the ip from that |
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| 19:25.36 | jaggzed | any of you get moonlight installed in wheezy? |
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| 19:26.39 | jelly-home | cantoma: does "getent hosts domain.name.bla.bla" return the right IP address? |
| 19:26.48 | r3n1c0n | hello |
| 19:26.53 | cantoma | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:26.57 | r3n1c0n | some one can tell me how i can put my audio controller to power saving? |
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| 19:27.28 | cantoma | jelly-home, it gives two ips |
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| 19:27.41 | r3n1c0n | or do i just need to unload the alsa software? |
| 19:27.45 | jelly-home | cantoma: do both work? |
| 19:27.47 | r3n1c0n | deamons |
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| 19:28.48 | hatoon | gnudna, hi, installed more not appeared wirelesse I restart |
| 19:28.48 | cantoma | jelly-home, only the first one |
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| 19:29.25 | cantoma | jelly-home, the second one also mounts but says that is read-only |
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| 19:29.29 | r3n1c0n | this is loading full time and drains battery |
| 19:29.30 | r3n1c0n | Device Audio codec hwC0D0: IDT |
| 19:29.40 | cantoma | jelly-home, but it looks like I am getting syntax error from mount |
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| 19:29.55 | ompaul | !moonlight |
| 19:29.55 | dpkg | Moonlight was an open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight for Linux and other Unix-based systems. Silverlight is used to deliver interactive audio and video through a web browser, similar to <Adobe Flash>. Previously packaged for Debian (never part of a stable release), removed to resolve Debian bug #638565. Moonlight's development has been discontinued. http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight |
| 19:30.17 | r3n1c0n | !audio |
| 19:30.18 | dpkg | Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 19:30.24 | r3n1c0n | !alsa |
| 19:30.25 | dpkg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:30.40 | cantoma | jelly-home, basically if I put the IP then it accepts, but if I replace it by the domain name then says "bad option ..." |
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| 19:31.18 | gnudna | cantoma http://serverfault.com/questions/609365/cifs-mount-in-fstab-succeeds-on-ip-fails-on-hostname-written-in-etc-hosts |
| 19:31.30 | gnudna | for ubuntu but might be helpful |
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| 19:33.05 | hatoon | gnudna, hi |
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| 19:34.31 | hatoon | installed frimeware more wireless did not show up! |
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| 19:36.56 | gnudna | how old is your card? |
| 19:37.05 | cantoma | gnudna, i have just uncomment in smb.conf this line "name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast" as your post suggests, then I restarted samba. However, I still get the same error. |
| 19:37.47 | gnudna | cantoma do have an entry in your host file? |
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| 19:38.05 | r3n1c0n | When i blacklist a driver. Then i need to restart to get it to action? |
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| 19:38.38 | gnudna | hatoon you using network-manager? |
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| 19:38.49 | cantoma | gnudna, nope |
| 19:38.52 | r3n1c0n | or can i load reload the conf ? and login/logout or smth |
| 19:39.07 | cantoma | gnudna, how can i get it there without adding it manually? |
| 19:39.08 | gnudna | cantoma what are you using? |
| 19:39.15 | cantoma | gnudna, what you mean? |
| 19:39.24 | cantoma | gnudna, wheezy |
| 19:39.30 | gnudna | gnome kde etc... |
| 19:39.34 | cantoma | xfce |
| 19:39.48 | gnudna | they usually all have some tool to config wireless |
| 19:39.55 | cantoma | oppps |
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| 19:39.57 | cantoma | wrong person |
| 19:40.00 | gnudna | assuming you installed the proper driver |
| 19:40.10 | gnudna | sorry |
| 19:40.16 | cantoma | gnudna, it is not me having issues with wireless |
| 19:40.19 | gnudna | meant for hatoon |
| 19:40.21 | cantoma | i am the cifs guys |
| 19:40.23 | cantoma | guy |
| 19:40.29 | gnudna | yeah sorry |
| 19:40.44 | gnudna | in your case try adding hostname ip into /etc/hosts |
| 19:40.48 | cantoma | so, no ... i don't have that domain name and ip in my hosts file |
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| 19:41.06 | cantoma | gnudna, yeah but it might change |
| 19:41.14 | gnudna | let me what i setup |
| 19:41.17 | cantoma | gnudna, i mean it is an university network |
| 19:41.21 | gnudna | i had a similar setup and issue |
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| 19:41.46 | jelly-home | cantoma: can you show the actual command line? only hide username and password |
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| 19:42.14 | r3n1c0n | thx for the help. I had to disable microphone to get rid of it. |
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| 19:43.06 | cantoma | jelly-home, this works fine: mount -t cifs //138.38.34.22/files xdrive/ -o username=blabla,password=blabla |
| 19:43.22 | cantoma | jelly-home, this doesn't: mount -t cifs //campus.bath.ac.uk/files xdrive/ -o username=blabla,password=blabla |
| 19:43.49 | cantoma | jelly-home, the error is: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //campus.bath.ac.uk/files, |
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| 19:45.03 | cantoma | jelly-home, if I ping campus.bath.ac.uk I see straight away that IP address |
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| 19:46.29 | hatoon | gnudna, not |
| 19:46.33 | cantoma | gnudna, i could add that IP to my hosts file, but what would it happen if the IT dept changes the IP? |
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| 19:46.49 | gnudna | you need to change it ;) |
| 19:47.14 | gnudna | cantoma in my case i am the IT dept |
| 19:47.15 | cantoma | gnudna, in that case i just need to know the IP |
| 19:47.18 | hatoon | gnudna, installed frimeware more wireless did not show up! |
| 19:47.32 | cantoma | gnudna, why would I need to know the domain name |
| 19:47.34 | hatoon | bcm43142 |
| 19:47.38 | hatoon | gnudna, |
| 19:47.55 | cantoma | i always thought that domain names exists so that people don't have to memorize IPs |
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| 19:48.38 | gnudna | cantoma this is a windows compatibility thing i believe |
| 19:48.52 | cantoma | gnudna, i thing is just a syntax error |
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| 19:49.59 | gnudna | i think your issue is // |
| 19:50.16 | gnudna | have you tried adding it to fstab? |
| 19:50.22 | gnudna | and then doing a mount -a |
| 19:51.06 | cantoma | gnudna, well i think before adding to fstab it should first work in a console |
| 19:51.17 | gnudna | cantoma agreed |
| 19:51.32 | cantoma | gnudna, the question is: can a domain main be added after // |
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| 19:51.46 | cantoma | or does it require this \\ or \\\\ |
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| 19:51.58 | cantoma | or maybe " " |
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| 19:52.40 | cantoma | gnudna, i am trying all possible combinations until it works :S |
| 19:53.26 | gnudna | http://midactstech.blogspot.ca/2013/09/how-to-mount-windows-cifs-share-on_18.html |
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| 19:53.42 | gnudna | might be related but in theory it should work with hostname |
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| 19:54.33 | cantoma | gnudna, yeah, but that post only shows with IP |
| 19:56.19 | gnudna | cantoma in general i use hostname and it works for me |
| 19:56.33 | cantoma | gnudna, and you write your hostname after // |
| 19:56.42 | gnudna | but maybe my network is simple compared to yours |
| 19:56.47 | gnudna | yes |
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| 19:57.02 | gnudna | in fstab |
| 19:57.22 | cantoma | gnudna, like //mynetwork.net/files |
| 19:57.28 | jelly-home | cantoma: what happens if you try to mount using the other IP address that getent hosts returns? |
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| 19:58.12 | jelly-home | cantoma: //hostname/share is perfectly valid, same as '\\hostname\share' or unquoted \\\\hostname\share |
| 19:58.23 | jelly-home | sorry, that last one would be \\\\hostname\\share |
| 19:58.43 | cantoma | jelly-home, the second one was mounting the share read-only |
| 19:58.52 | cantoma | jelly-home, but still it was working |
| 19:59.08 | cantoma | jelly-home, i have tried those combinations |
| 19:59.30 | jelly-home | hm, dunno what's going there, then |
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| 20:01.03 | jelly-home | cantoma: could it be you're copy/pasting the command from a web page, and one of the space characters is actually not ASCII space, but that non-breakable-space thing |
| 20:01.37 | screwedcurrently | Hello. Reinstalling deb 7.6 on a comp. It worked before with the same disc. It repeatedly fails on "select and install software" and tells me nothing. What should I do now? How can I see a log? |
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| 20:02.16 | jelly-home | cantoma: nothing else comes to mind |
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| 20:02.57 | cantoma | jelly-home, i have wrote it scratch but still the same. thank you for all your help anyways |
| 20:03.13 | cantoma | the good thing is that using the IP i can do it |
| 20:03.25 | cantoma | just that I need to ping the hostname everytime |
| 20:03.41 | cantoma | i will leave that as a note in the fstab |
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| 20:04.11 | cantoma | like # if this doesn't work it is time to do ping campus.bath.ac.uk |
| 20:04.26 | jelly-home | cantoma: what if you reorder the command line as mount -t cifs -o .... //hostname/share /absolute/mount/path ? |
| 20:04.33 | gnudna | cantoma http://serverfault.com/questions/609365/cifs-mount-in-fstab-succeeds-on-ip-fails-on-hostname-written-in-etc-hosts |
| 20:05.00 | jelly-home | gnudna: getent hosts ... would have returned the IP from /etc/hosts |
| 20:05.17 | cantoma | gnudna, yes but then if the IP changes then I need to change in the hosts file |
| 20:05.29 | cantoma | gnudna, i prefer to change it in the fstab |
| 20:05.36 | cantoma | at least it is easier to remember |
| 20:05.40 | gnudna | cantoma in general admins do not change ip in production environments |
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| 20:05.58 | gnudna | so i doubt the ip will change anytime soon |
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| 20:06.14 | cantoma | jelly-home, gives the same |
| 20:06.26 | cantoma | gnudna, well i don't know .. i am not the IP dept |
| 20:06.28 | gnudna | and if your work there when and if it changes you will know as you will admins running around like crazy |
| 20:06.36 | jelly-home | gnudna: in general, any hardcoded IPs would be laughed out in our environment |
| 20:06.53 | jelly-home | this is what we have dns for. |
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| 20:07.21 | gnudna | jelly-home i agree but in this case as a client might not be a big deal |
| 20:07.51 | gnudna | but yes dns is better as i can change it at will |
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| 20:12.41 | cantoma | jelly-home, gnudna, it works now :D .. I was missing cifs-utils package |
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| 20:13.04 | cantoma | jelly-home, basically //campus.bath.ac.uk/files was ok |
| 20:13.14 | screwedcurrently | ..... shameful |
| 20:13.16 | jelly-home | cantoma: how the hell does that make a difference (why did ip work at all?) |
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| 20:15.16 | cantoma | jelly-home, cifs-utils keyutils libnss-winbind libpam-winbind winbind |
| 20:15.21 | cantoma | it pushed those packages as well |
| 20:15.42 | cantoma | could be related to winbind |
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| 20:18.40 | jelly-home | think mount.cifs does magical winbind resolution even if it's not present in /etc/nsswitch.conf, something like that? |
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| 20:22.04 | cantoma | jelly-home, yeah, at the moment I am assuming there is some magic in how this got sorted |
| 20:22.31 | cantoma | and now is working perfectly fine in fstab |
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| 20:23.04 | jelly-home | then there's only one thing to do |
| 20:23.07 | jelly-home | !win cantoma |
| 20:23.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, cantoma! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 20:23.18 | cantoma | :D |
| 20:23.43 | cantoma | i always wanted to go to Charlotte |
| 20:23.52 | cantoma | since I was a little kid |
| 20:23.55 | cantoma | where ever that is |
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| 20:40.02 | gnudna | glad that reference helped |
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| 20:40.14 | gnudna | btw i want to !win |
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| 20:53.54 | chx | hi. despite having this http://privatepaste.com/3325400941 ntp.conf I still see the ntp daemon listening on both the public IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. |
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| 20:54.03 | brokencycle | I am wondering about the typical lengths of gpg public keys that one exports with "gpg --armor --export keyid". |
| 20:54.21 | brokencycle | My old key had around 30 lines, and the new key has ~2400 lines, which feels wrong. |
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| 20:55.50 | brokencycle | What would have inflated the new key this much, or did I export several keys by accident? |
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| 21:10.47 | jhutchins | brokencycle: It's possible that an upgrade increased the default keysize. |
| 21:11.11 | jhutchins | !ru |
| 21:11.11 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 21:11.44 | brokencycle | jhutchins: I increased the keysize from 1024 to 4096, but that should imho inflate the output |
| 21:12.02 | brokencycle | by a factor of 4, not 80 or so |
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| 21:12.25 | brokencycle | right? |
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| 21:14.27 | brokencycle | Also, I have once exported the key where it then was a few dozen lines, but not 2400+, or, like another key I have, 4500+ lines |
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| 21:17.01 | brokencycle | What results do you get with that command? |
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| 21:23.18 | maxd | hi |
| 21:23.20 | maxd | I need a friendly, precise answer for this question: Is it usual that Unix Domain Sockets are stored in /tmp? |
| 21:23.23 | maxd | What is about security? |
| 21:23.27 | maxd | sorry, double-post |
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| 21:26.13 | jaggzed | how do you see what dpkg-reconfigure will do? |
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| 21:27.04 | jaggzed | I'm trying to regenerate dovecot ssl keys.. I saw the message once ("this key will expire in 10 years"), but now I'm not seeing it again, and I don't see /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot* anymore either (I originally removed them, as per instructions on...) https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys#dovecot |
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| 21:30.23 | marco3 | mdadm over lvms or lvms over mdadm? |
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| 21:32.51 | jhutchins | marco3: mdadm |
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| 21:35.04 | marco3 | jhutchins: explain |
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| 21:35.18 | jhutchins | marco3: I don't like lvm |
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| 21:38.39 | marco3 | jhutchins: why |
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| 21:40.20 | abrotman | marco3: they do different things .. |
| 21:40.31 | abrotman | jhutchins: luddite :) |
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| 21:41.42 | jhutchins | marco3: I think it adds a layer of complexity and a point of failure that are unnecessary and that it provides too little in return. |
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| 21:47.36 | abrotman | yeah, ability to grow/shrink partitions is a horrible thing |
| 21:48.55 | marco3 | what is used in production usually when the two are combined... lvm over mdadm or mdadm over lvms? |
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| 21:51.10 | jhutchins | marco3: What I use in production is no lvm. The only place I had it (installed by a consulting RedHat "engineer") it caused probems and got removed. |
| 21:51.41 | marco3 | jhutchins: which problems? |
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| 21:52.37 | jhutchins | marco3: Among other things it made it harder to expand LUNs on the server. It was easier to just create a new LUN/partition than to grow the FS like I could without it. |
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| 21:53.16 | marco3 | LUNs from a storage box? what type? SAS? |
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| 21:55.51 | jhutchins | marco3: Xiotech over Fiberchannel. |
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| 21:56.58 | marco3 | jhutchins: i suppose that's something you have in multipath? and which fs? ext4? btrfs? just curious about those errors as I am obv. considering the tech |
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| 22:00.15 | _2_chopie123 | hi |
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| 22:12.50 | jhutchins | Marezz: Yeah, multipath (quad) and a mix of filesystems, ext3&4 for linux, oraclefs for some, ntfs for windows. |
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| 22:13.54 | jhutchins | Marezz: Sorry, marco3 left. |
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| 22:19.57 | stephen_ | Anyone here building FreedomBox for virtuabox? The images on the debian site haven't been updated since may, and the build fails on my arch install. |
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| 22:26.04 | nathanhi | g'day.. it seems that dbus is broken? i'm getting exact the same problem as described in bug #771428 (https://lists.debian.org/deity/2014/11/msg00113.html).. are there any workarounds? |
| 22:26.39 | screwedstill | I just installed 7.6 net-install and it automatically bumped me up to 7.7. Is there any way to install 7.6 without being bumped up? |
| 22:26.59 | sine0 | apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server hung on install at the server part. I since closed the console window but its still in teh procs. how do i kill it or remove it |
| 22:27.18 | stephen_ | Anyone involved in FreedomBox in any fashion? |
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| 22:30.26 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 22:30.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:30.47 | petn-randall | stephen_: You might ask in #linux, this is the Debian support channel. |
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| 22:36.08 | syntroPi | i am planing to setup Kolab 3.3 on wheezy using nginx and dovecot instead of apache and cyrus. Does the backports version dovecot-imapd (1:2.2.9-1~bpo70+1) for wheezy already support RFC 5464 ( IMAP METADATA Extension)? |
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| 22:39.39 | stephen_ | petn-randall: I'm aware of this channel's purpose. I'd asked before if anyone has FreedomBox images that they've build for virtualbox, but no one had replied, so I increased the scope of my question. Furthermore, "Using a program" is distinct from being involved in the ongoing development of a project, and FreedomBox *is* under the umbrella of the debian project. https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox |
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| 22:44.04 | screwedstill | Can anyone hear me or do I have to reg to get help? |
| 22:44.48 | mo1991reg | hear ya |
| 22:45.14 | screwedstill | much obliged. |
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| 22:45.59 | stephen_ | screwedstill: We can hear you. Here's a solution to your issue http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=81451 |
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| 22:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | screwedstill, everything 7.0--->7.x is bugfixes... and mostly security bugfixes at that... you don't want to stick to the lower minor version |
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| 22:50.45 | screwedstill | CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, I do, because the last apt-get upgrade broke my graphics driver |
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| 22:51.09 | Shadow_7 | the lower common denominator has perks. at least for us americans on 3rd world interweb speeds. |
| 22:51.15 | screwedstill | Which has happened before on Squeeze, I should add. |
| 22:51.41 | stephen_ | screwedstill: See if you can hold back just that single package then: you're going to want the security updates. |
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| 22:52.45 | screwedstill | stephen_: I attempted to revert each individual package of the 20 or so that got updated, but some no longer had the old version from the logs available |
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| 22:54.16 | screwedstill | My fault for letting the system nag me into it. But all I want is a clean 7.6. |
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| 22:54.51 | screwedstill | Or else I'll just have to wait months for the AMD driver to get fixed. |
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| 22:55.42 | Shadow_7 | screwedstill: what card? for the ati-legacy drivers, radeon is pretty nifty. (for kernels > 2.4.x) |
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| 22:56.06 | sine0 | apt-get install -f has frozen |
| 22:56.34 | sine0 | what should i do it shows 0% |
| 22:56.39 | sine0 | for 20 minutes now |
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| 22:57.03 | Shadow_7 | screwedstill: otherwise you can goto amd.com and grab the proprietary drivers. They're supposed to have --build-pkg for an install option although it rarely works |
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| 22:57.44 | screwedstill | Shadow_7: Yes, I have been using the prop drivers, those are what no longer work now, and the free drivers aren't helping either |
| 22:57.53 | screwedstill | Shadow_7: ATI Radeon 5770 |
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| 22:58.11 | Shadow_7 | screwedstill: have you tried re-installing the proprietary driver? kernel updates can sometimes hose the kernel module for it |
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| 22:58.48 | screwedstill | Shadow_7: Yes, updated it, reinstalled. |
| 22:59.03 | Shadow_7 | screwedstill: and you might have to build it manually in some cases based on the sources in /usr/src/???module??? |
| 22:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell screwedstill about snapshots |
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| 22:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... you installed packages directly from ati? |
| 23:00.00 | Shadow_7 | screwedstill: more likely that the module got blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/ and you could just modprobe it to fix it |
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| 23:00.24 | Shadow_7 | and unblacklist it to have it happen at boot |
| 23:00.28 | timini | Hey what is the default firewall, how can I check if it's enabled? |
| 23:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there is no such thing as "the package version isn't there anymore" with proper debian packages) |
| 23:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | timini, there are no rules defined by default |
| 23:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. there is no firewall by default |
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| 23:01.29 | screwedstill | CutMeOwnThroat: The AMD prop drivers are still there. Maybe I'm just terrible at it, I couldn't get my reversion to work for everything. |
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| 23:01.46 | Shadow_7 | depending on setup... iptables-save ...will list existing rules |
| 23:02.19 | Shadow_7 | although depending on how you installed, it may not be installed |
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| 23:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | screwedstill, the old versions might not be on the regular ftp servers anymore, but if the package made it into stable, there is no way that version isn't saved in the snapshots |
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| 23:10.54 | squisher | Hi, I'm using /etc/network/interfaces but I also have network-manager installed. Ever since plugging in a usb wifi stick for testing network-manager thinks I'm offline (disconnected) which breaks pidgin |
| 23:11.41 | squisher | I don't understand what changed -- maybe it wasn't the usb wifi stick, but that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 23:14.02 | squisher | argl, nevermind... stupid systemd |
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| 23:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, if you edited /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager will detect that and refuse to manage networks... but then at least for me the interface to NM in the DE told me that... |
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| 23:15.42 | xreal | When using these files with ISOLINUX, the debian installer throws out an error about wrong CD. When using initd.gz from netboot, everything works as expected. Where's the difference? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
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| 23:16.23 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, that is true. The problem is that I tried to change my MTU on a bridged device. So ifup actually bails out, and NM thinks I'm not connected. The problem here is that systemctl shows the network was brought up just fine :-| |
| 23:18.13 | squisher | ever since ssds you can't really watch the boot process anymore, so I never noticed that the interface doesn't come completely up |
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| 23:23.15 | Shadow_7 | squisher: there's the ifconfig and route -n / netstat -r ways to check the state of the network |
| 23:23.50 | Shadow_7 | not that it does much if the firmware is unstable and fails after the network goes active |
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| 23:24.29 | squisher | Shadow_7, that has absolutely nothing to do with it, I always had connectivity. But pidgin listens to NM and if NM says I'm offline, it won't connect. All those tools don't help in that situation :) |
| 23:25.24 | Shadow_7 | squisher: so edit pidgin the behave |
| 23:26.27 | Shadow_7 | squisher: you can setup nm to use interfaces even with a /etc/network/interfaces, but the debian default is for networkmanager to ignore said interfaces. |
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| 23:27.04 | squisher | Shadow_7, yes, but that's not what I want. |
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| 23:27.28 | Shadow_7 | squisher: there are alternatives to pidgin |
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| 23:28.33 | squisher | Shadow_7, you're seriously suggesting me to switch a program just because of a bug in NM? Damn... anyway, problem is resolved, thanks for helping even if I don't think your suggestions particularly great ;-) |
| 23:28.53 | Shadow_7 | seems to me the bug is in pidgin |
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| 23:29.18 | jaggzed | how do you debug an imaps failure? the client (kmail) says something like "error connecting to server: ssl authentication failed" |
| 23:29.26 | jaggzed | I just updated my dovecot cert |
| 23:29.53 | jaggzed | maybe I should use a client that gives more details.. |
| 23:30.11 | squisher | jaggzed, openssl s_client can do imaps I believe |
| 23:31.09 | squisher | or rather, if it is port 993 then you don't need a starttls command, but otherwise s_client can do that too |
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| 23:32.56 | jaggzed | squisher, thanks.. it connects but a login doesn't seem to do anything |
| 23:33.07 | jaggzed | yeah it's on 993 |
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| 23:33.35 | jaggzed | oh.. It connects.. then times out after a while |
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| 23:33.50 | jaggzed | my login command ended up going to shell after openssl terminated :) |
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| 23:34.16 | jaggzed | no peer certificate available |
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| 23:36.24 | squisher | jaggzed, maybe you messed up the dovecot config and are requiring client certs? |
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| 23:37.50 | merethan | Hi all. |
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| 23:38.18 | jaggzed | probably not requiring client certs.. but maybe something.. |
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| 23:39.30 | merethan | I want a device running debian smoothly, gotta fit in my pocket, qwerty keyboard, battery life 4h+ and cellular connectivity. Is there anything that would come close? |
| 23:40.19 | dondelelcaro | merethan: I'd actualy suggest a small tablet or simlar and a separate keyboad |
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| 23:42.10 | merethan | dondelelcaro, I'd rather not have andriod |
| 23:42.40 | dondelelcaro | merethan: if you have a working bootloader on the tablet, it's often possible to run Debian |
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| 23:42.59 | dondelelcaro | merethan: it's much easier if it's x86 hardware, but many of the arm bits will work as well |
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| 23:46.20 | Shadow_7 | are there keyboards that fit in pockets? I recall a targus thing the folded into quarters in the iPaq days |
| 23:47.17 | Shadow_7 | the rubber ones I guess would rollup to a feasible size, but so horrid to type on |
| 23:47.38 | merethan | It has to be a chatting device. |
| 23:47.53 | merethan | IRC, XMPP and stuff. |
| 23:48.30 | merethan | Thing is, I don't like Andoid (I'm paranoid). |
| 23:50.12 | jeezy | debian snacks! http://i.imgur.com/IoPjk3S.jpg |
| 23:51.35 | aspect | merethan, cyanogenmod? oodles more control than android, and quite easy to install if you get a well-supported device |
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| 23:52.37 | merethan | aspect, if I go Android, my first pick would be Replicant from FSF. |
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| 23:54.35 | merethan | However I find it unlikely the one or two people working on it are able to clear all the mines. Android is made to completely violate your privacy from front to back. Kinda hard to change it's nature i'd guess. |
| 23:55.35 | merethan | cyanogenmod has all the nobs and tweaks you could possibly want, but their focus is not privacy. |
| 23:56.10 | Shadow_7 | you could turn a raspberry pi into a cell phone, although bulky for a pocket at that point |
| 23:57.21 | merethan | lol yes :P |
| 23:57.24 | Shadow_7 | and small screens that are not already a tablet seem hard to come by |
| 23:57.42 | aspect | I'm not quite sure you a paranoid level desire for privacy can be reconciled with a cellular module in your pocket, but sure :-) |
| 23:57.58 | merethan | aspect, I understand ;) |
| 23:58.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1575] by debhelper |
| 23:58.25 | merethan | There's a difference between the government knowing where I am and a company in a foreign nation knowing where I am. |
| 23:59.25 | merethan | Not happy with the government tracking me around either, but less of a problem to me than private organisations. |
| 23:59.43 | Shadow_7 | they're all technically part of the same network, so no real way for users to manage what sally told paul, told frank, told betty, told... |
